Top Headline Comments 11-27-12

Happy Tuesday.

Speaker Boehner on the Norquist pledge and the fiscal cliff: he "opposes tax rate hikes because they hurt our economy and cost jobs."

NYTimes reporter David Carr either doesn't know that "Al Aqsa TV" is a designated terrorist organization or doesn't want NYTimes readers to know. Either is journalistic malpractice. Carr penned a piece in yesterday's paper claiming that Israel was targeting journalists simply because Al Aqsa terrorists had spray painted "TV" on their car.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:47 AM



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1 Good Morning Morons. Today is Tuesday, November 27, 2012. On this day in 176 Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius granted his son Commodus the rank of Imperator and made him Supreme Commander of the Roman legions. This is the event that the movie Gladiator is loosely based.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)

2 Rice to meet with McShitty, Grahamnasty, and Kelly Ayote today for discussions. I hope Ms Ayote isn’t setting up to enter the unholy cabal of McShitty and Grahamnasty. In any event keep in mind that Rice will be third in line for President. Why should these three Senators have the say on her?

http://is.gd/N4d73y

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

3 IL setting up for a Primary and an election to fill JJJ’s seat. This should be interesting as it will no longer be inherited and if it is sold it will be to someone new. I suspect just another Chicago wheel will get it.

http://is.gd/fzLV87

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

4 New on-line sales record set yesterday. Not me. I didn’t buy shit. I bought a new receiver on black Friday while Amazon had it on sale for $200. This was to replace an old one I had upstairs that gave up the ghost. It came in yesterday and I will be ripping on it today so probably will not be around much.

http://is.gd/AhBIHE

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

5 So what else was going on on Black Friday? The Treasury borrowed $24B. Who did they borrow it from? The Fed of course. The left pocket loaned the right pocket $24B. IOW they simply printed $24B and issued it. Its called monetizing the debt and it means the dollar will sink some more and all your prices will go up some more.

http://is.gd/UH41tr

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

6 Jeb Bush making more 2016 overtures. I think I will puke.

http://is.gd/nbssIs

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:49 AM (YdQQY)

7 The tax increases that the Republican assholes are about to sell us out on will include eliminating the mortgage deduction.

http://is.gd/xoLWl2

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:49 AM (YdQQY)

8 We will leave 10,000 sacrificial goats in the ‘Stan past the withdrawal date. Piss on that, bring them all home NOW. They are serving no defined mission there now.

http://is.gd/hHq9ee

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:49 AM (YdQQY)

9 The Condom Queen is one of the nominees for Time’s person of the year. They continue to beclown themselves with this shit.

http://is.gd/wciQcr

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)

10 Boston College ups the anti on the Lord and Savior sacrilege.

http://is.gd/Igk1wa

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)

11 Head of a piss ant federal agency that should have been eliminated 50 years ago leases a Chevy Tahoe to ride three blocks to a train station.

http://is.gd/cQ65WL

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)

12 Did any of you Morons know that Obama had signed a treaty in 2009 that allows foreigners to interfere on how we treat Americans with disabilities? Don’t we have enough shit in that area already? Well Harry Pederast is about to bring it to the floor. One wonders if the Republicans will sell us out on this as well.

http://is.gd/GYmH8m

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:51 AM (YdQQY)

13 Kindle Daily Deal:


Promise Not to Tell


School nurse Kate Cypher has returned home to care for her ailing mother. When she arrives, a young girl is murdered, mirroring a crime from Kate's childhood. More than a murder mystery, Jennifer McMahon's debut is a story of friendship, family, devotion, and betrayal that's deeply insightful and utterly unforgettable.


And that’s it for Tuesday. Not much out there today.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:51 AM (YdQQY)

14 And watch those assholes make the tax increases retroactive.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at November 27, 2012 06:52 AM (iuY0Y)

15 he "opposes tax rate hikes because they hurt our economy and cost jobs."



He'll sells us out quicker than he can pick up a bourbon over ice.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:53 AM (YdQQY)

16 Getting rid of the mortgage interest deduction is a good step. Why should taxpayers subsidize one's mortgage? If you can afford a house, buy one. Don't expect me to pay the freight with loan subsidies.

Posted by: Lizabth at November 27, 2012 06:53 AM (JZBti)

17 John Kerry MUST be the new Sec State.

1. Chance to win his vacated senate seat
2. World is a dangerous place, let's put John at the epicenter of that danger. Maybe someone'll get lucky. (kidding) (kinda)
3. Finally give us a change in "Englands Largest Face Competition".
4. Comedy supply goes way up.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at November 27, 2012 06:54 AM (B3njz)

18 The GOP is a hopeless pile of junk.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2012 06:54 AM (bWwMZ)

19 Taxes will go up.

Spending will go up.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2012 06:56 AM (bWwMZ)

20 Sandra Fluck is auctioning off
strategy sessions for $20.00

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 06:56 AM (NIZHJ)

21 Getting rid of the mortgage interest deduction is a
good step. Why should taxpayers subsidize one's mortgage? If you can
afford a house, buy one. Don't expect me to pay the freight with loan
subsidies.


Posted by: Lizabth at November 27, 2012 06:53 AM (JZBti)

Because the housing market is in the shitter already and doing that would kill it stone dead. Not only that, but that deduction helps a lot of first time home buyers.

And why are they talking about getting rid of it? Because the Dems want to raise taxes when we didn't get here by reducing taxes. We got here by jacking up spending $1.1T. I am opposed to ANY tax increase at all until they cut spending back to Jan 1, 2008 levels.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:57 AM (YdQQY)

22 @JakeTapper On Fri, POTUS speaks at the Rodon Group construction toy manufacturing
facility in Hatfield PA (Tinkertoy, K’NEX + Angry Bird Building Sets)


Great. With SCOAMT's track record of companies shutting down soon after he visits, I guess Tinkertoy will go the way of Twinkies.

Posted by: Retread at November 27, 2012 06:57 AM (zxitI)

23 It takes 2/3 of the Senate to ratify a treaty.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 06:58 AM (NIZHJ)

24 Rice to meet with McShitty, Grahamnasty, and Kelly Ayote today for discussions. I hope Ms Ayote isn’t setting up to enter the unholy cabal of McShitty and Grahamnasty. In any event keep in mind that Rice will be third in line for President. Why should these three Senators have the say on her?http://is.gd/N4d73y

Well, Vic, according to teh Gretchen (*eye roll*), Rice made the strategic chess move of praising Juan for his military service and asked for a meeting to 'splain herself. How COULD he and his other two stooges say "no"?

They'll announce their okay by lunchtime.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 27, 2012 06:58 AM (tQHzJ)

25 Boehner isn't so great when it comes to pledges.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 27, 2012 06:59 AM (bZKG0)

26 Sandra Fluck is auctioning offstrategy sessions for $20.00

Is that what they're calling it now?

Posted by: RushBabe at November 27, 2012 06:59 AM (tQHzJ)

27 It seems that the "GOP" is going to fold like a cheap card table
on taxes.

CNN

GOP resistance to anti-tax pledge grows

..More and more, conservative Republicans in
Congress are breaking from a pledge they signed
years earlier against any kind of tax increase or
additional tax revenue...



ABC

Fiscal Talks Turn as Tax Pledge Questioned

..The two-party tango that is negotiations over the
"fiscal cliff" took a turn Monday as two more Republican
lawmakers expressed willingness to break with a long-standing
anti-tax pledge and the White House revealed that President
Obama made fresh overtures to congressional leaders on
both sides....


b]CBS

Movement on Debt Reduction Talks

Prominent conservatives in the House and Senate appear
to be more flexible on raising tax revenue.



So the GOP is setting it up so to the public they are the
ones actually raising taxes ala George HW Bush.

You sign on to a deal with the devil and you take the hit.

WONDERFUL!


It's the financial meltdown all over the fucking GOP is truly
a useless pile of junk.


The GOP "compromises" pisses off it's base, the general public
sees them as the ones actually raising taxes, because the
Donks and the media will create the narrative that that is how
it went down.

I'm done with the GOP, DONE.

They no longer represent my interests.

What to do though??

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 27, 2012 07:00 AM (RrD4h)

28 Boehner isn't so great when it comes to pledges.


FTFY

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)

29 Boner is a crying shame.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 07:00 AM (NIZHJ)

30 No real conservative is signing on to these tax increases. So far it is only the RINOs.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:02 AM (YdQQY)

31 Mark my words: tax re-foam is always hovering over deductions and rates, and always ends up lighting upon gasoline and cigarettes. Those are the only tax increases you will actually see. Same old.

This time, da people being even angrier and more frightened, they may go with special doubled health-insurance rates (it's a tax) on drivers and smokers, but just the same: gasoline and cigarettes. Because, you know, you could always just quit.

Posted by: comatus at November 27, 2012 07:02 AM (qaVK+)

32 Vic @21...thank you for that reply...you saved me some typing!

Posted by: billygoat at November 27, 2012 07:02 AM (CfGGV)

33 Local GOP confab last night hosted a Peruvian eemeegrant who told us we're not doing enough to welcome eemegrants to the Junited States. Had about a third of the room in a standing "O" at the end. Guess we know where we stand when it comes to relying on conservative principles in attracting folks. She also said she is offended by the word "illegal" when it comes to any eemegrant.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 27, 2012 07:03 AM (tQHzJ)

34 Since we are going to get ass-rammed anyway let's just raise taxes and spending through the roof.

Kill it with fire.

Posted by: eman at November 27, 2012 07:03 AM (bWwMZ)

35 I'm not really following world events as closely as usual these days, but I thought one of the big problems we face right now is those mean Senators saying mean things about Ms. Rice. So why are they meeting... so she can tell them how they hurt her feelings???


Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2012 07:06 AM (BeSEI)

36 6 -

I've said it before, I'll say it again: the R party doesn't always (read rarely) select conservatives to head their tickets, but they always select their candidates conservatively.

Which means, you already know the 2016 nominee. It won't be a surprise, and it won't be somebody new.

Now, I'm not saying it'll be Jeb, but you could probably count on one hand the number of human beings in this country who have a realistic shot of being the R nominee for President. Jeb is one of them.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2012 07:09 AM (BeSEI)

37 Republicans need to be more friendly. That's the only way to attract more votes.

When I was in college and home for the weekend and I'd go out drinking with my buddies, and I'd drive over the bushes when I got home and then a buddy tried to get me to go back out drinking by climbing up on the roof and hanging from the gutter and bending it and then the dog would bark like a psycho, my Dad would be really mean.

I'd say, "Dad, you're not really winning my vote with all that 'adult supervision' and 'gutters don't grow on trees' crap."

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at November 27, 2012 07:11 AM (G4Fi2)

38 If the Republicans think they lost with Romney let them push another Bush through. They will be lucky to get 50 votes.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:15 AM (YdQQY)

39 As a matter of fact, if they don't fix the Primary BS they have had their last vote from me anyway.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:16 AM (YdQQY)

40 NYT's David Carr thinks Hamas terrorists are journalists because they spray-painted 'TV' on their car.

**and yet professional bloggers aren't really journalists, pfft.

You know what you're missing, to be seen as "real" -- violence to sell the Grey Lady. She's that hard up on her luck. That, and spray paint "TV" on your blog.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:17 AM (BAnPT)

41 Vic, I think they changed it so 3rd in line is the Speaker of the House instead of Secretary of State.

Not that most of us would feel any better about it, but I think I am right.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 27, 2012 07:17 AM (GoIUi)

42 Vic, I think they changed it so 3rd in line is the Speaker of the House instead of Secretary of State.

Not that most of us would feel any better about it, but I think I am right.


Posted by: Miss Marple at November 27, 2012 07:17 AM (GoIUi)

You're right, I missed one. She's 4th in line.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:18 AM (YdQQY)

43 terrorists had spray painted "TV" on their car.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:47 AM

There's a difference?..

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 27, 2012 07:19 AM (AWmfW)

44 Miss Marple, I think the Speaker of the House is second in line, followed by the SoS. Anyone else know?

Posted by: Museisluse at November 27, 2012 07:19 AM (SsWgR)

45 GOP? Blowhard comes from blowhards.


Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:20 AM (BAnPT)

46 1. President
2. Vice-President
3. Speaker of the House
4. SOS

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:20 AM (YdQQY)

47 I mean you can see the media narrative forming right before your very eyes
it's amazing.


Republicans break their pledge not to raise taxes!

The media, the donks and the GOP have created the narrative that
the economic downturn we have been experiencing for the last 4 years
was the fault of Bush and the GOP, since the GOP took the blame for the
financial and housing meltdown they have taken ownership for the
bad economy.

Why our very own "Republican" Presidential candidate would take
every opportunity to tell anyone that would listen that Obama inherited
a bad situation, inherited from whom?

There is only one inference that can be drawn from that, Obama inherited it from Bush and the GOP.

So now the GOP is going to be the adults again and is for the 'good' of the
country and in the spirit of bi-partisanship agree to raise taxes.

The are in effect going to be the ones held responsible for raising taxes.


It's just so fucking stupid, it really is.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 27, 2012 07:22 AM (RrD4h)

48 oops

1. President
2. Vice-President
3. Speaker of the House
4. President Protem of the Senate
5. SOS

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:22 AM (YdQQY)

49
Miss Marple, I think the Speaker of the House is second in line, followed by the SoS. Anyone else know?

Posted by: Museisluse at November 27, 2012 07:19 AM (SsWgR)

If memory serves it goes from the VP to the Speaker of the House to the President pro-temp of the Senate and then through the Cabinet departments by seniority.So she would be right behind either Harry Reid or Timmy Geitner. (can't remember if State or Treasury is senior).A real sh*t sandwich in either case.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 27, 2012 07:23 AM (RSqz2)

50 46, yep
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_succ.html


Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:24 AM (BAnPT)

51 You want shit sandwich, Janet Uglytano is 17th in line.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:25 AM (YdQQY)

52 @20 Sandra Fluck is auctioning off strategy sessions for $20.00... Mom always told us that if we couldn't say anything nice not to say anything at all. Sorry, Mom! (Mom never calls me Thorvald.) I am nearly certain that Fluck looks exactly like what the younger Irma ("Irmchen") Bunt looked like. I expect similar depths from Fluck.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 07:25 AM (1V6Pv)

53 Speaker of the House of RepresentativesPresident Pro Tempore of the SenateSecretary of StateSecretary of the TreasurySecretary of DefenseAttorney GeneralSecretary of the InteriorSecretary of AgricultureSecretary of CommerceSecretary of LaborSecretary of Health and Human ServicesSecretary of Housing and Urban DevelopmentSecretary of TransportationSecretary of EnergySecretary of EducationSecretary of Veterans AffairsSecretary of Homeland Security

The only exception to the line provided in the law states that to ascend to
the Presidency, the next person in line must be constitutionally eligible.

/hardy har har, "consitutionally eligible"

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:26 AM (BAnPT)

54 No real conservative is signing on to these tax increases. So far it is only the RINOs.
Yesterday, the MFM was sympathetic to Boner. Poor dear is being squeezed by those to whom he made his "no new taxes" pledge and 12 GOP stalwarts who said they will not, under any circumstances vote for new taxes. He knows he'll be embarrassed if he goes along with the donks only to be owned by members of his own party.

What to do, what to do?

Posted by: RushBabe at November 27, 2012 07:27 AM (tQHzJ)

55 Off to the bus stop with the kinder.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 27, 2012 07:28 AM (tQHzJ)

56 Mornin rons, here's the whole line of succession


1 Vice President of the United States Joe Biden
2 Speaker of the House John Boehner (R)
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Daniel Inouye
4 Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
5 Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner
6 Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta
7 Attorney General Eric Holder
8 Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar
9 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
-- Acting Secretary of Commerce Rebecca Blank
10 Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis
11 Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius
12 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan
13 Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood
14 Secretary of Energy Steven Chu
15 Secretary of Education Arne Duncan
16 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki*
17 Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 07:28 AM (3Y7RV)

57 You want shit sandwich, Janet Uglytano is 17th in line.


Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:25 AM (YdQQY)

The whole line of succession is something that the IMPEACH!!!111!!! crowd should look at very carefully.Be careful what you wish for...

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 27, 2012 07:28 AM (RSqz2)

58 Off to the new toy and beer.

Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 07:28 AM (YdQQY)

59 @51

If we are ever in a situation where 4th in line is necessary the republic is in effect over, so I don't think we would get as far as 5th let alone 17th.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 27, 2012 07:28 AM (RrD4h)

60 59 @51

If we are ever in a situation where 4th in line is necessary the republic is in effect over, so I don't think we would get as far as 5th let alone 17th.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 27, 2012 07:28 AM (RrD4h)

That Tom Clancy has been pretty precient in the past, just sayin.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 07:29 AM (3Y7RV)

61 In a better world, the W.H. spunkgobblers would be all over this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/clwok88
And then they would lampoon the inevitable plaintive rejoinder, "RAAAACIISSSSSST!"

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 07:30 AM (1V6Pv)

62 Did any of you Morons know that Obama had signed a treaty in 2009 that allows foreigners to interfere on how we treat Americans with disabilities? Don’t we have enough shit in that area already? Well Harry Pederast is about to bring it to the floor. One wonders if the Republicans will sell us out on this as well.

http://is.gd/GYmH8m
Posted by: Vic at November 27, 2012 06:51 AM (YdQQY)



this turns my stomach

and, I'm done with the GOP too.

Posted by: beach at November 27, 2012 07:31 AM (LpQbZ)

63 In case you were busy enjoying your life, the Creation vs Evolution debate is already impacting the 2016 election debate. How much of a role should religion play in politics?
Hugely 15%
Marginally 27%
Zero 59%
http://www.jerrydoyle.com/poll-archives

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:31 AM (BAnPT)

64 "INDEPENDENT"
the new registered majority 2016

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:32 AM (BAnPT)

65 It seems that the "GOP" is going to fold like a cheap card table
on taxes.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 27, 2012 07:00 AM (RrD4h)
Good. The tax pledge was stupid. And the voters voted for higher taxes. Why the hell should conservatives keep taking the political bullet to protect voters from their bad decisions?

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 27, 2012 07:34 AM (E8Ag4)

66

so...

look on the bright side,

we now get to see OBAMA 2016 play out in real time right before our eyes.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 07:35 AM (i/uD6)

67 56 OldSailor's Poet

Taking bets, sooner than later the DHS Secretary will be legislated to the top of that list.

DHS building is spending billions to not yet construct, btw.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:36 AM (BAnPT)

68 Why the hell should conservatives keep taking the political bullet to protect voters from their bad decisions?



Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 27, 2012 07:34 AM (E8Ag4)



Because we're the only ones who pay the consequences for those decisions.


On that cheery note, I'm off to work where I'll be stuck in depositions all day. Bah humbug.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 27, 2012 07:36 AM (Gk3SS)

69 @65

I paid over 40,000 in taxes last year, I'M TAXED ENOUGH!

I'm paying my fucking fair share pal and then some.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 27, 2012 07:37 AM (RrD4h)

70 "And the voters voted for higher taxes"

That from the idiots with no memory of 2010 results.

"The voters voted" WHICH voters voted for that?

NOT I.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:37 AM (BAnPT)

71 NYTimes reporter David Carr either doesn't know that "Al Aqsa TV" is a designated terrorist organization or doesn't want NYTimes readers to know. Either is journalistic malpractice. Carr penned a piece in yesterday's paper claiming that Israel was targeting journalists simply because Al Aqsa terrorists had spray painted "TV" on their car.

Hell, if Israel would send soldiers over here and blow every van labeled “TV” or “News” to hell, I’d convert in a heartbeat.


Good morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes. Thanks, Gabe and Vic for the news. Frankly, you’re better men than I am. Just reading the THC thread is depressing enough; imagine how depressing it is finding content for it!


Today’s story concerns the actor Ralph Bellamy. You probably know him best as FDR in the movie Sunrise at Campobello and in the mini-series The Winds of War or as the evil doctor in Rosemary’s Baby.


He was hired by Columbia Pictures in 1932 for the movie Forbidden, but after signing, Columbia head Harry Cohn insisted that Bellamy also make another movie – I can’t find the name, but it was apparently a “sea dog” movie that the studio remade every few years under a different name. Since shooting on the sea movie ended the day before shooting on Forbidden began, Bellamy asked for a stand-in.


“What the hell is this?” Cohn screamed when he was told. “You New York actors, always wanting a stand-in!” Bellamy tried to explain that to do justice to either part, a stand-in was essential, but Cohn wouldn’t listen. The two men argued bitterly, with a number of good old Anglo-Saxon expressions being traded during the discussion. Finally, Cohn gave in. “OK, you can have your stand-in, but on one condition. Don’t tell Jack Holt!” (Jack Holt was under contract to Columbia and made scores of pictures under very tight schedules).


A year later, Bellamy was under contract at Columbia. This was before the formation of the Screen Actors Guild, so there was no set time for starting or stopping a shoot. Bellamy – who had a number of films under his belt by this time – noted that a lot of his fellow actors had begun quitting at six o’clock. Well, if anybody has the right to do that, I do, Bellamy thought, and he did.


A few days later, Cohn summoned Bellamy to his office. “What the hell is this?” Cohn screamed. “You New York actors, walking off a set!” Once again, the two men launched into a shouting match. Finally, Bellamy said, “Harry, if that’s the way it is, you can tear up my contract!”


That quieted Cohn down. He sat back in his chair and muttered, “All right, you can quit at six o’clock, on one condition. Don’t tell Jack Holt!”


“I was at Columbia for five years,”
Bellamy later said. “And in all that time, I never even saw Jack Holt.”


Hope you all have a wonderful day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 27, 2012 07:38 AM (zF6Iw)

72 “I was at Columbia for five years,” Bellamy later said. “And in all that time, I never even saw Jack Holt.”


That's good. /almost like Rand's Galt.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:41 AM (BAnPT)

73

I remember Ralph Bellamy and Don Ameche as Randolph and Mortimer Duke.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 07:41 AM (i/uD6)

74 The Dems will raise taxes, and there probably isn't much we can do about it. Therefore, my strategizing emphasizes how we position ourselves so that the Dems and media (BIRM) can't make the argument that we were complicit, so when the economy inevitably implodes, the blame will be crystal clear. Perhaps the entire GOP Senate should say "fine, we'll all vote "present" on your proposed budget, but only when you actually present one".

Posted by: pep at November 27, 2012 07:41 AM (YXmuI)

75

...and Brian Dennehy as the NYSE in Trading Places

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 07:43 AM (i/uD6)

76 @63 ...the Creation vs Evolution debate... I fear this sort of vulnerability on our side will be a distraction from real, rational reform until such time as we prosecute an effective offense. We all know about their ludicrous AGW Creed. Many of them also have an inchoate idea that Anthropogenic Plate Tectonics also governs. Re-elect Prez 0 and lower the oceans/heal the planet. Cooler heads might prevail, but right now I am 100% in favor of identifying every politician who supported the light bulb ban and then, if not driving a stake of living wood through their dark hearts, then at least keeping them out of office. (Winnow out the Republican AGW fools while we're at it.)
Notice the difference between their crazy beliefs, and those beliefs of ours they want to call crazy: theirs come, for example, from a wizened bruja on a full-sail Datura voyage, but ours, well, ours are the received Wisdom of the Ages.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 07:43 AM (1V6Pv)

77 73 Trading Places, a modern classic on the old prince/pauper tale. We'll be sure to see it again during the holiday season.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:44 AM (BAnPT)

78

DAY 21


1,439 to go


Mayans, Muzzies, Marxists, McCains, Moochelle, miscreants, malcontents and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 27, 2012 07:46 AM (XkWWK)

79 76 I've simply lost all political interest in discussing anything beyond our American Constitutional Renaissance. Otherwise, let the dead bury the dead. /And the GOP is zombie exposed.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:47 AM (BAnPT)

80 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 07:48 AM (5DR1j)

81 I expect the following by1200 today:

McShame: "My friends, I have met with Susan Rice ans found her to be an accomplished, skilled, articulate, and, most of all black, woman of unquestionable integrity. Obviously, when I previously expressed concerns about her incompetence, I meant there is no doubt as to her competence. You have nothing to fear from a Susan Rice in any conceivable office President Obama chooses to reward appoint her!"

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 07:48 AM (Cnqmv)

82 g'day y'all
...I have promises to keep

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:49 AM (BAnPT)

83 Re: #1 Vic. Shows you that like McCain and others, even Marcus Aurelius can have an asshole for a kid. Fortunately (unlike the movie) he was strangled in his bath.

Posted by: Libra at November 27, 2012 07:50 AM (kd8U8)

84 Perhaps the entire GOP Senate should say "fine,
we'll all vote "present" on your proposed budget, but only when you
actually present one".


Posted by: pep at November 27, 2012 07:41 AM (YXmuI)

The problem here is that you are expecting R Senators to have principles (and spines).

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 07:50 AM (Cnqmv)

85
I think we are being lied to by our gov't betters ....

"If you get all 364 items repeated throughout "The Twelve Days of Christmas" carol, you’ll pay 6.1 percent more this year, according to the so-called Christmas Price Index that PNC Wealth Management of Pittsburgh updates annually.
That comes to $107,300."The rise is larger than expected considering the modest economic growth we’ve had," said Jim Dunigan, managing executive of investments for PNC. He noted the government’s Consumer Price Index had risen just 2 percent in the 12 months before September." (Kevin Begos,The Associated Press)Actual inflation is 300% greater than is being stated! Torches and pitchfork time baby.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 27, 2012 07:50 AM (UhXzR)

86 Start with Dem stuff. Hollywood taxes. Taxes on trial lawyer pay-offs. Taxes on muni-bond income.

Notice how we never see those trial balloons raised.

The GOP can't even "Let It Burn" properly.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 07:50 AM (jvRxT)

87 I am waiting for another recess appointment. Then watch TFG yell Four, in dishonor of the fallen.

Posted by: sTevo at November 27, 2012 07:51 AM (YSd1Q)

88 If the GOP is ever going to win a presidential election again, it will have to win more than 60% of the white vote.

That's not going to happen as long as the Dems are able to divide white voters along class lines.

Which they will continue to easily do, as long as the GOP sticks to the absolutist position of never raising taxes on millionaires by a single penny, ever.






Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 27, 2012 07:53 AM (E8Ag4)

89 Posted by: General Woundwort at November 27, 2012 07:37 AM (RrD4h)


If your tax rate isn't 110%, you aren't paying your fair share! I have important cronies and bundlers that need those federal grants.

Posted by: Barky Ochooma at November 27, 2012 07:53 AM (Cnqmv)

90 Perhaps the entire GOP Senate should say "fine,
we'll all vote "present" on your proposed budget, but only when you
actually present one".

----

This what the House should require before they offer a budget. They should say "The president leads, the Senate is under their control, send it to us and we will then talk."

But they won't.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 07:53 AM (jvRxT)

91 "opposes tax rate hikes because they hurt our economy and cost jobs."

If your only reason to oppose stealing more of the wealth I create is the purely "practical" reason of "the economy," then you are not sufficiently grounded in Conservatism.

I'll take it, because it's better than what the other side wants to do to me, but until Politicians as a class remember and publicly recognize that taxation is seizure of the People's wealth, and that an income tax is (philosophically) especially odious, they will, indeed, sell us down the river at the first opportunity.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 07:53 AM (5DR1j)

92 16 Getting rid of the mortgage interest deduction is a good step. Why should taxpayers subsidize one's mortgage? If you can afford a house, buy one. Don't expect me to pay the freight with loan subsidies.


*****

While I think I see your point, I have to disagree.

Homeownership is more than just an economic indicator. It strengthens and stabilizes neighborhoods, provides an incentive to maintain the property and motivates one to work hard to hold on to it.

Despite all the sensational stories about folks defaulting on their homes and partying it up, most people who have lost their homes fought their asses off to try and hold on to it. People invest their money, time, and emotions into a home, unlike with a rental.

Homeownership is good for society at large.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 07:54 AM (piMMO)

93 This what the House should require before they offer a budget. They should say "The president leads, the Senate is under their control, send it to us and we will then talk."

But they won't.
Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 07:53 AM (jvRxT)


That's not the way it works. You see, you must pass any large piece legislation to find out what's in it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 07:55 AM (3Y7RV)

94 81 -

Absolutely. I'm going to bang this drum for a while: we don't live in a post-racial society, but we do need new terms for our screwed up concepts of race.

I've been batting around the idea of calling it a hyper-racial/post-racist society, in that white people are so worried about being called racist that they are hypersensitive about it, and blacks, latinos, etc will exploit this hyper-racial thinking to their advantage.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2012 07:56 AM (BeSEI)

95 But they won't.

And if they won't, it will be absolutely clear where the problem lies. The GOP then says, ok, we'll offer our budget, with no tax increases. Call us when you're serious.

Posted by: pep at November 27, 2012 07:56 AM (YXmuI)

96 "And the voters voted for higher taxes"

That from the idiots with no memory of 2010 results.

"The voters voted" WHICH voters voted for that?

NOT I.


Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 07:37 AM (BAnPT)

Ah, yes WHICH voters voted for higher taxes? Not the ones who are paying taxes now, that's for sure.Allowing people who do not pay taxes to vote is what is ruining this nation.I pre-denounce myself for your convenience.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 27, 2012 07:56 AM (RSqz2)

97 McShame: "My friends, I have met with Susan Rice ans found her to be an accomplished, skilled, articulate, and, most of all black, woman.....

***

Made me LOL

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 07:56 AM (piMMO)

98 Baseball is a game where two teams battlemtomsee who can score more: a small team of billionare owners and a larger team of millionaire players. The winning team takes home moremofmyour money.

Politics also has two teams: the ruling class and the rest of us. They also fight over who gets to keep more of our money.

The GOP is not your friend. They play for the opposition.

Posted by: Truman North at November 27, 2012 07:57 AM (I2LwF)

99 "Which they will continue to easily do, as long as the GOP sticks to the absolutist position of never raising taxes on millionaires by a single penny, ever."

Yep. Wasted many years for these millionaires, many of whom donate to Obama, or who make money off the state.

How much political capital wasted? A lot.

Also, why not at least advocate removing tax subsidies for reals, and getting rid of muni-tax free status, etc if we want to keep real employers with lower taxes.

But nahhh, let's just be fully doctrinaire even though it makes a lot of GOP leaners think we are just a party of the rich. And sorry, 250k of income in most states is a lot of money.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 07:58 AM (jvRxT)

100 78

DAY 21


1,439 to go


****

That countdown should be featured at the top of the blog

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 07:58 AM (piMMO)

101
NDH, Homes are not an investment. Theyt are a good that is consumed.

Why should I subsidize anyone's home especially some mcmansion?

Regarding stabilizing and whatnot, there exist laws that require structures to be of certain quality and owners want to maintain properties. No further incentive required.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 27, 2012 07:59 AM (UhXzR)

102 Extra 'm' format fail notwithstanding... games make much more sense once you have the program and the rule book.

Posted by: Truman North at November 27, 2012 08:01 AM (I2LwF)

103 @88 WTF!?! When some Commie says "Do you think 14% tax is fair on someone earning $24 mil?" the reflexive rejoinder should be "Do you think the government deserves $3-1/3 million dollars from one person in one year?" The rich already pay most of the income taxes. They also are in a position to hire people to do shit for them.
If you were rich, you could hire someone to think for you, fool!

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 08:01 AM (1V6Pv)

104 The GOP is not your friend. They play for the opposition.
Posted by: Truman North at November 27, 2012 07:57 AM (I2LwF)


I'll agree to a point. I see the GOP as 50 shades of conservative. No plan, no message, no real leadership. Internal battles so divisive that there is no way to mount any sort of cogent battle against the enemy. They are too busy fighting over the desert menu to notice everyone is starving to death. Any organization like that is easy to handle and defeat.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 08:02 AM (3Y7RV)

105 Zombie Arafat and Zombie Jimmeh Carter: separated at birth?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 08:02 AM (1V6Pv)

106 Slapping Hellfire missiles into journalists would seem to a wise policy for Israel. We should consider it.

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2012 08:02 AM (UIE9v)

107
The interest deduction is a huge incentive for home ownership.
Why not just rent instead of own, no property taxes, no maintenance costs for upkeep, no HOA fees etc...
Once again the gov. always goes for those who work hard to accomplish things first, and those who voted forobamaanddon't own a home will go for this big time, another way to even the playing field.
Because it's not fair, and we won so shut up.

Posted by: spypeach at November 27, 2012 08:03 AM (pwTow)

108 @88 The GOP will lose elections to the Commies until the GOP becomes Commie itself. Riiight!
Fool.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 08:03 AM (1V6Pv)

109 Why should I subsidize anyone's home especially some mcmansion?

The ironic thing is that my McMansion is mostly paid for, and I'm hit with AMT anyway, so losing the deduction doesn't really hurt me, other than to tank the market. I'm not moving, so even that is fine by me. My point is that Obama's "soak the rich" strategy will end up hurting young homebuyers while leaving prosperous older folks like me relatively untouched. IOW, more income redistribution from young to old.

Posted by: pep at November 27, 2012 08:03 AM (YXmuI)

110 Opposing tax increases because they will hurt the economy is a good reason to oppose them.

But you could at least find some taxes that are actually subsidies to special interests to get rid off...

And not all taxes would hurt the economy. Taxing munibonds would have ensured cities pay market prices for their debt and they would have borrowed less. That is removing a distortion.

Taxing trial lawyer pay-outs would make lawsuits less rewarding - and hurt the Dems...that would HELP the economy.

We probably should get rid of the mortgage tax deduction - not now, perhaps, but it should be done at some point because other countries don't have it, and their home ownership rates are about as high as ours. So we subsidize for no gain.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 08:03 AM (jvRxT)

111
In the election cycles since Reagan the GOP has pushed 'middle of the road' Republicans' if not out right RINO's that never represented conservative idea's.

Call me when they nominate a real conservative, otherwise I'm not going to bother showing up to do anything.

McRino, then Mittens?

Fuck that.

Posted by: Gmac at November 27, 2012 08:04 AM (IanLz)

112 Don't even discuss taxes until the Dims own the definition of "rich".

Posted by: Jean at November 27, 2012 08:05 AM (UIE9v)

113 @103 / @88

I actually think you're both right.

As Conservatives, our first reaction to raising taxes on anyone should be (as Vic so often points out) "We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem."

On the other hand, raising income tax rates on "the rich" is very politically expedient, and the Takers will vote for anyone who promises to do so- especially if that person also promises to give them more free stuff.

We have to accept that reality while also working to change it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 08:05 AM (5DR1j)

114 Even in this effed up situation, there are so very many really good principled positions that could be taken by the Repuklicans. Unfortunately, I am convinced that they (lead by the likes of Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc.) will do nothing that protects the Constitution, the citizens, or our economy.


Let It Burn would be far preferable to what they will acquiesce to.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 08:07 AM (Cnqmv)

115 Hey Horde. Quick check in. Sick, been up off and on since 2am bowing to King Ralph. I'll try to stop later.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 27, 2012 08:08 AM (6gk77)

116 "WTF!?! When some Commie says "Do you think 14% tax is fair on someone earning $24 mil?" the reflexive rejoinder should be "Do you think the government deserves $3-1/3 million dollars from one person in one year?" The rich already pay most of the income taxes. They also are in a position to hire people to do shit for them.
If you were rich, you could hire someone to think for you, fool!"

Sure, if you can get government spending down to 14% of GDP then that rate is fine.

The problem is we are far above that, and the voters apparently want that, including a lot of old people who "paid in" so what's your plan? Cut everything else just to pay for SS and Medicare?

Look, if Romney had won, I would be against raising taxes on the rich unless they had to, but we lost. The voters have spoken. If you want to be defending guys who make millions selling rap albums, making ethanol, or suing companies, or being government consultants, then fine.

You keep defending them, we keep losing, and have no voice in what happens. Awesome. I'm sure the 24 million guy will pat you on the head as he moves his operations to Singapore.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 08:08 AM (jvRxT)

117 Flat tax, flat tax, flat tax.
Add a line for voluntary contribution. Publish that amount for every fool who wants the gummint to spend even more than the stupendous sums it does.
When someone wants me to buy an Obamaphone for someone in Ohio who needs priority dental restoration, I can then say, "Oh, and much did you contribute over your obligation?" (and back it up with the hard number).
"Charity should begin at himself."

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 08:09 AM (1V6Pv)

118 Grover Norquist is an amnesty-loving tool of the GOP's corporate donors. He's a cancer on the GOP and conservatism. The faster the GOP distances itself from him and his stupid pledge, the better.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 27, 2012 08:10 AM (E8Ag4)

119 @113...nice summation. I feel conflicted too.

I think I want to give the Dems what they want but to make sure they pay too.

Let it Burn, but make sure fires are started in Dem enclaves, too, i.e muni bondholders, trial lawyers, Hollywood, etc.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 08:11 AM (jvRxT)

120 Grover Norquist is an amnesty-loving tool of the GOP's corporate donors.
He's a cancer on the GOP and conservatism. The faster the GOP distances
itself from him and his stupid pledge, the better.


Now you are just being stupid. That's as bad as trying to throw the SoCons out the party, and for roughly the same reasons.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 08:12 AM (5DR1j)

121 @117, yes I would love a flat tax, but is that on the table? I the GOP was smart they would agree to raise taxes but demand a flat tax.

Taxes can always be cut, but getting a flat tax reform is much harder - so make that the deal.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 08:13 AM (jvRxT)

122


.1% annual wealth tax

.1%. Who could object to that?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 27, 2012 08:13 AM (QupBk)

123 @122 Wealth taxes somehow scare me. I don't know why. I believe France has this.

0.1% how long would that last?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 27, 2012 08:14 AM (jvRxT)

124 .1% annual wealth tax

.1%. Who could object to that?
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 27, 2012 08:13 AM (QupBk)

Anyone that believes taxes should be cut and not raised. Like, um, me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 08:15 AM (3Y7RV)

125 .1% annual wealth tax


Two problems with that: who determines Net Worth (which is what I'm guessing you'd be taxing), and how do you prevent the ultra-rich from hiding their assets?

Remember, despite bringing in millions upon millions of dollars, very few Hollywood movies ever "break even." On paper. It's not actually all that hard to make it look like you have much less wealth than you do.

Possible problem: If my net worth is negative, do I get a rebate?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 08:15 AM (5DR1j)

126 Wealth taxes somehow scare me. I don't know why. I believe France has this.


Pretty sure toby928 is using it to point out the hypocrisy of the ultra-rich leftists. People like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet don't have very big incomes- they live off their investments.

However, their "wealth" (or Net Worth) is in the billions. If you started taxing them on their Net Worth in addition to their income, they'd start screaming.

Just until they could divest themselves (on paper) of all their own assets. Or expatriate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 08:18 AM (5DR1j)

127 What the....?

Posted by: Jack Holt at November 27, 2012 08:19 AM (+paCV)

128 Possible problem: If my net worth is negative, do I get a rebate?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 08:15 AM (5DR1j)

Obviously you aren't working hard enough comrade!

You need to get off your butt and get that blog up and running so we can tax that too.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 08:21 AM (Cnqmv)

129 LOOK! A revenue tweek!
What seems to be getting lost here is that the gummint does not have a single claim on my wealth, my industry, or my produce. Except at the muzzle of their guns.
They derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.
The political class is now stealing from our grandchildren even as they play chicken with the threat of rising interest rates. Our problem is the stupendous, stupefying, astronomical, insane level of spending.
The old, modest brick courthouse on the square has been replaced by a high-tech gulag on the edge of town. Why? Not because there are more people now, often there are fewer. But because the Mayor wants to tell you what to eat, and the Federal Government is now in charge of just about everything except dust (so far).
Tenth Amendment, Baby!

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 08:23 AM (1V6Pv)

130
Either is journalistic malpractice.

I have to respond to this before reading Vic's news dump....(which i enjoy, thank's Vic!)

Journalists are the enemy. We are at war over the future of our children. There can be no 'malpractice' when your enemy has no honor, no shame, nor morals. The media fights for the opposition. The sooner we realize this and fight the enemy where they are, the better. I have been calling for widespread picketing (at the very least) of the media for several years. 'Jounalistic malpractice'. Spit.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 27, 2012 08:23 AM (OOML8)

131 I'm going to get killed by the reduction in the estate tax exemption at the end of the year. Dad's estate is just over $1mil and he's on his last legs. I'll have to sell everything to meet the tax obligation.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 27, 2012 08:25 AM (OjQYm)

132 I like the idea of Jeb Bush being the\ 2016 GOP nominee. Mostly because that would make the Libertarian candidate viable.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 27, 2012 08:26 AM (3ZtZW)

133
Homeownership is good for society at large.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 07:54 AM (piMMO)

well sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean homeowners should get a special tax break.
Incidentally, there are already tax incentives for first time home buyers (e.g., the retirement account trick for getting a down payment) that ought to be under consideration as well.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2012 08:27 AM (d/5qf)

134 It's over. It was a wonderful idea.
It boils down to a few quotes from our founders.
Not going to type them in entirety.
The jist of a couple...

Our constitution was meant for a moral society

Americans have not only a right but a duty to elect only Christian men

Human nature + the seven deadly sins equals what we have come to.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 27, 2012 08:29 AM (HEWhR)

135 and the Federal Government is now in charge of just about everything except dust (so far)

http://tinyurl.com/bwz5x7k

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2012 08:29 AM (d/5qf)

136 I think Jimmah Carter PBUH is still alive.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:29 AM (NIZHJ)

137 OT. Any thoughts on Start Page and Online Privacy in general?

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:30 AM (NIZHJ)

138 The real problem, though, is the income tax itself.

Is there any feasible way at all to get the income tax amendment repealed?

sigh, don't bother answering, I already know the answer

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2012 08:31 AM (d/5qf)

139 http://preview.tinyurl.com/c7aaou8
This should go viral.
And I came here thinking it was a relatively weeny-free zone. You want the gummint to have more money? Write them a check, stfu, and leave me alone to the rewards of my own industry.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 08:31 AM (1V6Pv)

140 88 If the GOP is ever going to win a presidential election again, it will have to win more than 60% of the white vote.
-
Right. And then it'll have to fight to prevent Whites being further reduced as a share of the population, otherwise it'll eventually have to win 110% of the White vote.

88 That's not going to happen as long as the Dems are able to divide white voters along class lines.
-
Right. I've suggested policy ideas (like ending affirmative action) that no White has any real interest in opposing.

88 Which they will continue to easily do, as long as the GOP sticks to the absolutist position of never raising taxes on millionaires by a single penny, ever.
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Right. Which is another reason why Instapundit's tax ideas are great.

http://tinyurl.com/ceubb3c
http://tinyurl.com/bo69dp5

In addition to their major obvious benefits they would serve as a signal that the Republican Party is prepared to increase some taxes under the right circumstances - but that in doing do it's not prepared to play the liberal game of gutting right wing constituencies while leaving the longstanding privileges of left wing constituencies untouched and sacrosanct.

Right now, the Republican Party is not trusted on taxes, or a wide variety of issues, in either an ideological sense or the more important practical sense. It is not trusted to hold the line on principles it supposedly upholds. It is not trusted to play politics as though winning mattered more to the party elite than restricting who gets to be a political real player. And mainly it is rightly not trusted to favor the interests and prospects of the party's mass base of support.

On immigration, the Republican Party would clearly love to sell out its supporters (in the vain hope of getting new supporters), on social and moral issues also, and on taxes the party can't be trusted to play to win politically, to hold down taxes as the party that supposedly hews to greater economic rationality, or to protect its supporters while insisting that its real enemies and the blatantly corrupt bite the "austerity" bullet first.

For the party to be more than a fake opposition that diverts frustration against Washington into a useless channel, that has to change.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 27, 2012 08:32 AM (4qa9e)

141 138 I don't think it was ever ratified anyway.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:32 AM (NIZHJ)

142 get out of here, Stormfront troll

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2012 08:32 AM (d/5qf)

143 sorry, meant Lightworker, not you Butters

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2012 08:33 AM (d/5qf)

144 141
138 I don't think it was ever ratified anyway.


oh c'mon, please don't start this nonsense

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2012 08:33 AM (d/5qf)

145 100 That countdown should be featured at the top of the blog
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 07:58 AM (piMMO)



I try. Oh how I try.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 27, 2012 08:34 AM (XkWWK)

146 @135 So far, we've dodged that bullet.
But, hey, you can still be a Running Dog Wood-stove Criminal in most places.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 08:35 AM (1V6Pv)

147 I keep dreaming that Randy and Morty Duke have settled their bet and tossed President Billy Ray Valentine back onto the streets.

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 27, 2012 08:37 AM (a5ljo)

148 Our dust, our choice.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:37 AM (NIZHJ)

149 And again from Instapundit: Sunday Reflection: Why the GOP should give Obama the higher taxes he wants

http://tinyurl.com/bwt8zde

He's just right on all these issues. Do people think he's joking? He's not joking, he's correct; morally, practically and politically.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 27, 2012 08:37 AM (eh6pt)

150 Aren't woodstoves and laptops a bad mix?
Heating, particulates, fan vents, etc.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:39 AM (NIZHJ)

151 So, anyone know how much a prefab/modular/whateveryouwanttocallit home of around 1500 sq ft goes for these days?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 08:40 AM (5DR1j)

152 @150 You're not the woodstove/laptop inspector sent to save ignorant people from themselves, are you? If you're from the gummint here to help, why step right in!

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 08:42 AM (1V6Pv)

153 131I'm going to get killed by the reduction in the
estate tax exemption at the end of the year. Dad's estate is just over
$1mil and he's on his last legs. I'll have to sell everything to meet
the tax obligation.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 27, 2012 08:25 AM (OjQYm)

If your father is still of sound mind have him deed his home and/or land to you upon his death and have your name added to his bank/money market/investment accounts. Doing a TOD for any vehicles is easy. He can make the maximum annual monetary gifts to family members to reduce his net worth. My dad did all of this before his death, and this worked out very well for my brothers and me.

Posted by: MoKim at November 27, 2012 08:43 AM (kprEX)

154 If your father is still of sound mind have him deed his home and/or land
to you upon his death and have your name added to his bank/money
market/investment accounts.


watch out for the stepped-up basis

Posted by: chemjeff at November 27, 2012 08:45 AM (d/5qf)

155 I'm not with the Guvment or Big Oil.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:45 AM (NIZHJ)

156 It's very reassuring to know that when Senators McCain and Graham attack an issue, these two straight-shooters are looking out for the peeps and not just grandstanding to make themselves look engaged.

Yeah, let's build the damned fence.

Posted by: Fritz at November 27, 2012 08:47 AM (/ZZCn)

157 Prediction market Intrade, which allows spectators to bet on subjects ranging from entertainment to elections, said on Monday it will no longer accept U.S. customers because of what it called legal and regulatory pressures.

Intrade, based in Dublin, Ireland, announced the decision on its website hours after the U.S. commodities regulator sued the exchange's owner, alleging it allowed unauthorized trading by U.S. customers.

U.S. customers must close their accounts and withdraw all funds by the end of the year, according to the statement.

Posted by: Jimmie the Greek at November 27, 2012 08:49 AM (e8kgV)

158 Thanks.

He's of sound mind, but stubborn as hell - thinks everyone is trying to "pull a fast-one", as he terms it. I tried to get him to quit-claim the house I'm renting from him now over to me to reduce his asset footprint; he'd have none of it.

I have to upgrade his trust next year - early - and I'll discuss the strategy with the estate lawyer.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 27, 2012 08:50 AM (OjQYm)

159 The painting of Obama as a crucified Christ is being shown at Boston community College, not Boston College, as Vic reported.

I think Weasel Sippers got it wrong in the headline, so it wasn't really Vic's fault.

But I'm glad I double checked before I shot off a scathing email to my old school!

Posted by: Truman North at November 27, 2012 08:53 AM (I2LwF)

160 Throughout most of the twentieth century, the Pravda newspaper was roughly the Russian equivalent of our leftist, state-controlled “mainstream” media, publishing only regime-approved, Communist party line content. Since undergoing a change in ownership in the early 1990s, it now offers warnings against the communism that infected the former Soviet Union and caused the deaths of millions of Russian citizens.

Despite the warnings of history and those who have lived under its iron fist, communism has come to America, and the useful idiots who dumbly adore the Communist-in-Chief, Barack Obama (or whatever his name is), are gladly and stupidly drinking the kool-aid of ignorance in embracing that deadly and dead-end ideology. Even the Russians can see this!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2012 08:54 AM (e8kgV)

161 Rules -poop on cars-don't write TV on them! silly rabbits!

Posted by: Occupies at November 27, 2012 08:55 AM (ZRoGl)

162 Ah, yes WHICH voters voted for higher taxes? Not the
ones who are paying taxes now, that's for sure.Allowing people who do
not pay taxes to vote is what is ruining this nation.I pre-denounce
myself for your convenience.




Posted by: Nighthawk at November 27, 2012 07:56 AM (RSqz2)



I agree. When the MFM was bleating that California voted to raise taxes to "fix" its financial problems they never considered those who voted to raise taxes don't pay them. If you are on cradle to grave welfare. No vote

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 27, 2012 08:56 AM (1Jaio)

163 Writing things on cars doesn't make the impervious to missiles?

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:57 AM (NIZHJ)

164 Homeownership is good for society at large.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 07:54 AM (piMMO)


Maybe. But in terms of economic production. Adam Smith in Wealth of Nations pretty much nailed it on the head.......and I will paraphrase here......if you are not renting the house......there is no other economic production to come out of it.

Which is why I am starting to lean toward the National Sales Tax idea (no, sorry, I will not call it a Fair Tax........lets start using the real meaning of words).

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 08:57 AM (OWjjx)

165 Pravda == (Weekly World News + jingoistic nationalist fanboi shit)

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 27, 2012 08:57 AM (yE98L)

166 Pravda is now called Russia Times.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:59 AM (NIZHJ)

167 Posted by:Truman North at November 27, 2012 08:53 AM (I2LwF)


Isn't that Boston Community Organizer College? If not, it should be.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 09:00 AM (Cnqmv)

168 Pravda is now called Russia Times.


Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 08:59 AM (NIZHJ)

That's over there. Here it is called the New York Times.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 09:01 AM (Cnqmv)

169 Which is why I am starting to lean toward the National Sales Tax idea

My only problem with the National Sales Tax is that the 16th Amendment is still in effect. Which means that, even if Republicans successfully implemented an NST, it either would in addition to the income tax.

Until the 16th has been repealed, we're stuck with an income tax. Which is why I'm on the Flat Tax side. Though, if the political realities change and we can actually get the 16th repealed, I'd totally be for the NST.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 09:01 AM (5DR1j)

170
NO national tax!
Just look at VAT.

Posted by: Justamom at November 27, 2012 09:02 AM (Sptt8)

171 In any event keep in mind that Rice will be third in line for President.

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Secretary of State is 4th in line in the Presidential succession, not 3rd:

1. Vice President
2. Speaker of the House
3. President pro tempore of the Senate
4. Secretary of State

Posted by: angienc at November 27, 2012 09:02 AM (w3JGl)

172 They will add a VAT and a national sales tax on top of the income tax and you will like it.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 09:03 AM (NIZHJ)

173 @129 the Federal Government is now in charge of just about everything except dust

Here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/d8n7usg

Posted by: comatus at November 27, 2012 09:04 AM (qaVK+)

174 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 09:01 AM (5DR1j)


The transition phase is one of the primary reasons why nothing will happen until a catastrophic economic event occurs. Nothing that the socialist redistributionist weasels in DC (of both persuasions) have almost never supported ending a tax, the hope of getting to an NST without being screwed even worse is small.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 09:05 AM (Cnqmv)

175 Broadwell left Harvard with a lesser diploma in 2008, a master of public administration, after one additional semester.

She enrolled later that year as a PhD student in the war studies department of King’s College London, where her military leadership research focused largely on Petraeus, according to Broadwell’s profile on the school website. But four years on, Broadwell remains far from earning her degree, according to the department chairman, and her relationship with the subject of her research could jeopardize her progress toward a doctorate.

“We have a very stringent ethical review process,” said Mervyn Frost, head of the war studies department. “We found nothing wrong with her original proposal, but in light of what’s happened now, I suspect we’ll revisit that process.”

One of Broadwell’s former professors at Harvard described her as a self-promoter who would routinely show up at office hours.

“It was very much, ‘I’m here and you’re going to know I’m here,’ ” said the professor, who did not want to be identified because of the sensitivity of ongoing investigations. “She was not someone you would think of as a critical thinker. I don’t remember anything about her as a student. I remember her as a personality.”

The professor said when Petraeus chose Broadwell to write his biography, there was shock among the national security faculty at Harvard because “she just didn’t have the background — the academic background, the national security background, or the writing background.”

A second Harvard faculty member who knows Broadwell and Petraeus had similar misgivings.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2012 09:05 AM (e8kgV)

176
And, skin-in-the-game for everyone should be a must.
Everyone deserves to enjoy chest pain while working on their taxes. Besides, the EZ forms are written for an elementary education.

Even if the amount of revenue (I hate this use of that word) is offset by the admin, it's FAIR. Or on the way to fair, anyhoo.

Posted by: Justamom at November 27, 2012 09:06 AM (Sptt8)

177 Is RINO jerky as good as hobo jerky?

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 09:07 AM (NIZHJ)

178 The professor said when Petraeus chose Broadwell to
write his biography, there was shock among the national security faculty
at Harvard because “she just didn’t have the background — the academic
background, the national security background, or the writing
background.”

A second Harvard faculty member who knows Broadwell and Petraeus had similar misgivings.


Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2012 09:05 AM (e8kgV)

Boink, boink!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 09:07 AM (Cnqmv)

179 Shitty day: Arafat's body is seeing the light of day and fresh air again.

Morning all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 09:08 AM (79ueO)

180 Is RINO jerky as good as hobo jerky?


Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 09:07 AM (NIZHJ)


It's old, gamey, bitter, and white!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 09:09 AM (Cnqmv)

181 She also said she is offended by the word "illegal" when it comes to any eemegrant.

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As God is my witness, I will walk over my own tongue before I refer to illegal immigrants as "undocumented workers" or any other PC euphemism.

Remember George Orwell's concept of "Newspeak" in 1984? Redefining and/or destroying words to dumb down the population? Yeah -- I'm done playing along with that.

Posted by: angienc at November 27, 2012 09:09 AM (w3JGl)

182 You tell me.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 27, 2012 09:10 AM (xAtAj)

183 I'm offended by the word "illegal" whenever I get into discussions with police officers

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 27, 2012 09:11 AM (3ZtZW)

184 Remember George Orwell's concept of "Newspeak" in 1984? Redefining and/or destroying words to dumb down the population? Yeah -- I'm done playing along with that.

Mrs. Mallamutt and I were having a similar conversation yesterday only about "diversity" and "quotas".

And yea, I still can not figure out what the practical difference between the two of them is.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 09:11 AM (OWjjx)

185
In a New York Times editorial printed on
Monday, Buffett suggested Congress move immediately to implement minimum
taxes of 30 percent on incomes of $1 million to $10 million and 35
percent above that.
"A plain and
simple rule like that will block the efforts of lobbyists, lawyers and
contribution-hungry legislators to keep the ultra rich paying rates well
below those incurred by people with income just a tiny fraction of
ours," Buffett wrote.
"Only a
minimum tax on very high incomes will prevent the stated tax rate from
being eviscerated by these warriors for the wealthy," he added.





Fine, let's hit this asshole with a 99% tax rate and see how much he lectures us on how higher taxes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 27, 2012 09:11 AM (1Jaio)

186 My steps to rational and moral taxation:

1) End withholding. Employers can put a line "Suggested Tax Amount" on your pay check to help you know how much to sock away, but it's up to you to write that big check at the beginning of the year.

Then, once people are fed up with how much they're paying...

2) Flat tax. Yes, this will actually raise taxes on the lowest incomes. If you make $1,000, I want $150 (that's 15%, I don't think that's completely unreasonable). At this point, knowing how much to sock away is easy. It's still up to you to write that check at the beginning of the year.

At this point, it becomes necessary to cut spending in a serious way.

Once the lowest incomes are angry about paying income taxes...

3) Repeal the 16th Amendment. Create a system of levies (taxes on trade between states) and duties (taxes on foreign imports/exports) and possibly a National Sales Tax.

At this point, it is virtually impossible for the Federal Government to tax "enough" to maintain all of it's unconstitutional programs, and they can begin being abolished as well.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 09:12 AM (5DR1j)

187 Just look at VAT.

Ticket scalpers had to add a VAT to scalped Rolling Stones tickets.

What "value" does a ticket scalper add to anything?

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 27, 2012 09:12 AM (yE98L)

188 I stay awake at night wringing my hands, worrying how my poor under-funded government is paying for all those good things for the inertia-challenged, because I'm not taxed for 100% of my earnings.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

...I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody...

Posted by: Where have all the good times gone at November 27, 2012 09:13 AM (n2vS6)

189 "You have a hobo wrapped around your bumper! That's illegal!"

"ZOMG, I'm teh offended! You are just biased against my lifestyle! BIGOT!"

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 27, 2012 09:13 AM (3ZtZW)

190
I would like to share with you a bit from an article on Petraeusby Judge Andrew Napolitano which is in The Wanderer (my father subscribes for me!)

The whole article is worth reading, but the final paragraph sums it up:

"When did the CIA become a paragon of honesty? When did the FBI become a paragon of transparency? When did the government become a paragon of telling the truth?"

Can't you just hear the inflection if his voice??!

Posted by: Justamom at November 27, 2012 09:13 AM (Sptt8)

191 Posted by: angienc at November 27, 2012 09:09 AM (w3JGl)


Would you like some revenue with that? Would you like some workplace violence? Would you like fair taxation? Wouldn't you like to save money by eliminating fraud and waste in government? Would you like affordable care so that everyone is insured? Would you like a peace dividend? Would you like to end the BUSH tax cuts?


Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 09:14 AM (Cnqmv)

192 VAT is really a "you didn't build that" tax.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 09:15 AM (NIZHJ)

193 My steps to rational and moral taxation:

Tax rates are not about morality.....which is where we have gotten into problems.

Tax rates are not about promoting one economic activity to the detriment of another economic activity.

Tax rates are simply the determination of the amount of money that the government needs to carry out the functions of governance. And once we divorce the concept of "morality" (and "fairness" and all other emotional terms we attach to the tax rate) we take a significant step in educating the "low information voter" about what the fuck is really going on

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 09:16 AM (OWjjx)

194
“There is a huge difference between increasing tax rates — which costs jobs — and increasing tax revenue through tax reform,” says a Boehner aide.





The difference being -- what exactly?

Either way, capital is pulled out of the free market and given to the government to distribute for patronage.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 27, 2012 09:17 AM (kdS6q)

195 >>>Once the lowest incomes are angry about paying income taxes...

OK but you're assuming that anger would be rational and solved via polls, lobbying, voting, and legislative change.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 27, 2012 09:17 AM (3ZtZW)

196 @186 I like that! A lot!
Ideally, I would like to see tax calculated on the simplest basis to determine. Otherwise, with a generation or two, the Surveillance State will have facial recognition technology monitoring your every move to make sure you're not evading taxes. Split-stream internet connections ensure no evasive e-commerce.
"You don't have to go out doors, you know. It's your choice."

Posted by: Thorvald at November 27, 2012 09:18 AM (1V6Pv)

197 Buffett suggested Congress move immediately to implement minimum
taxes of 30 percent on incomes of $1 million to $10 million and 35
percent above that.


The number of people being paid over $10M on a W-2 can probably be counted on less than 5 fingers.

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 27, 2012 09:18 AM (yE98L)

198 PS... David Carr tells stories that are factually challenged, but he works for 'that paper', so we already knew he was an idiot.

Posted by: Gmac at November 27, 2012 09:20 AM (IanLz)

199 What "value" does a ticket scalper add to anything?

Time. I don't have to stand in line for hours, months in advance.
Opportunity. Game/Concert/Whatever sold out? Go see a ticket scalper. Yes, you pay more, but you've got those seats you promised your kid.

And if cost (additional price) of the utility provided is higher than you're willing to pay, you don't have to buy them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 09:20 AM (5DR1j)

200 The difference being -- what exactly?

Either way, capital is pulled out of the free market and given to the government to distribute for patronage.


Au contrair! You can actually eliminate a tax loophole and increase revenue and not remove capital from the free market place. They are called "refundable" credits.......which is a credit that the government pays you even if you owe no tax. That is right....not only do you not have to pay the government any tax, but the government gives you money because you did not pay any tax!

First step to tax reform, and why Boehner is right, is to eliminate all refundable credits.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 09:20 AM (OWjjx)

201 We need a special tax bracket for Buffet and Gates. The new 95% Beatles bracket.

Posted by: Butters at November 27, 2012 09:21 AM (NIZHJ)

202 Buffett suggested Congress move immediately to implement minimum taxes of 30 percent on incomes of $1 million to $10 million and 35 percent above that.

Trillion dollar deficits solved!

Oh, wait, no, it's just more tinkering at the edges for reasons of "fairness".

Buffet should put his money where his mouth is and cut a check to the Treasury if he thinks he's not paying enough.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 27, 2012 09:22 AM (4Lo/K)

203 We need a special tax bracket for Buffet and Gates. The new 95% Beatles bracket.

Can we give Buffett a 125% tax bracket. Gates at least makes a product people can use.....what the fuck does Buffett do? Oh, yea, he plays the stock market! Now that is generating some real economic growth.

Fuck off Warren.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 09:22 AM (OWjjx)

204 And if cost (additional price) of the utility provided is higher than you're willing to pay, you don't have to buy them.

The concerts were NOT sold out. There were hundreds of empty seats. Apparently there was a point at which people just said "no".

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 27, 2012 09:23 AM (yE98L)

205 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 09:16 AM (OWjjx

Taxation is not about morality, but we should be about morality in taxation.
Taxation is not about supporting one economic activity over another, but that's what they do- and that reality must be acknowledged and dealt with.

You're right that taxation is about the government confiscating money from the populace to fund its operations. And that's what people have to understand.

The current paradigm is established based on money coming from the Government (the only way you could describe any tax cut or tax exemption/credit/deduction as "lost revenue"). We have to change that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 09:24 AM (5DR1j)

206
First official synopsis is out for the next Trek film, Star Trek Into Darkness:

"When the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for, leaving our world in a state of crisis.

With a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads a manhunt to a war-zone world to capture a one man weapon of mass destruction.

As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew."




Detonated the fleet did they? The miscreants!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 27, 2012 09:25 AM (kdS6q)

207 The concerts were NOT sold out. There were hundreds of empty seats. Apparently there was a point at which people just said "no".

Then you shouldn't have had to buy from the scalpers at all- you could have purchased at the ticket window.

And, like any form of "grey market" ticket scalping is prone to failure in any particular instance. It's entirely possible that all of the tickets can be purchased by scalpers, and then everyone is forced to pay a higher price, or not go.

But, as often as not, scalpers actually do provide value- even if you, personally, don't believe the additional utility is worth the additional cost.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 09:27 AM (5DR1j)

208 Maybe. But in terms of economic production. Adam Smith in Wealth of Nations pretty much nailed it on the head.......and I will paraphrase here......if you are not renting the house......there is no other economic production to come out of it.



***

Wrong.

Renters and landlords sink very little money into a rental property. Homeowners, particularly those with older homes, spend a great deal of money on improvements to their homes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 09:28 AM (piMMO)

209 Buffet bought a railroad. Burlington Northern. I think he knows something about Obama's plans that we don't. Unless he's just a train geek, the investment made no sense in the context of known intel.

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 27, 2012 09:28 AM (yE98L)

210 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 09:16 AM (OWjjx)

Taxes punish activity. It is a moral force, whatever that moral principle may be.

Taxes are also forcible theft, one which we accept as a reality. A necessary evil. Is it evil to take more than the federal govt really needs?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 27, 2012 09:28 AM (xAtAj)

211 First official synopsis is out for the next Trek film, Star Trek Into Darkness:

Sounds like my first be-sure-to-miss-it movie of the season.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 27, 2012 09:29 AM (zF6Iw)

212 Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 27, 2012 09:14 AM (Cnqmv)

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Exactly -- it's gotten so ridiculous I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I'm exhausted by how stupid everyone is getting.


Posted by: angienc at November 27, 2012 09:30 AM (w3JGl)

213
First step to tax reform, and why Boehner is right, is to eliminate all refundable credits.
Posted by: Mallamutt





Given Ford initiated, Reagan expanded, and Republicans since haven't been adverse to more growth in the Earned Income Credit, that's off the table.

Think that's most of the meat on that bone.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 27, 2012 09:32 AM (kdS6q)

214 Buffet bought a railroad. Burlington Northern. I think he knows something about Obama's plans that we don't. Unless he's just a train geek, the investment made no sense in the context of known intel.

***

Consolidation since deregulation has shrunk the Class I rails from dozens to less than ten. There are really only two major providers in the west, BNSF and UP, and two in the east, CSX and NS. In the middle, there's the KCS and the CN.

It is unlikely that another merger, particularly a transcon merger, would be approved due to shrinking competition to just two options in crucial landbridge lanes; the UP and BNSf and a corresponding eastern carrier. Mergers within the east and the west will never be an option. So, what did the purchase of the company, rather than simply purchasing the stock, deliver for Buffett?

Rails are EXTREMELY capital intensive so, again, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

I said it then that I didn't know what kind of inside track he had, but it was something. And when the Keystone deal went south, it was obvious was that inside track had been.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 09:46 AM (piMMO)

215 Rather than illegal immigrants. Which is in itself a kind of Newspeak, I use a contraction of. "Criminal" and "Migrant"


Crimmigrant.

Posted by: Truman North at November 27, 2012 09:48 AM (I2LwF)

216 And when the Keystone deal went south, it was obvious was that inside track had been.

If getting Keystone approved fucks Buffet in the ass, it should be a top priority.

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 27, 2012 09:51 AM (yE98L)

217 Renters and landlords sink very little money into a rental property. Homeowners, particularly those with older homes, spend a great deal of money on improvements to their homes.

Homeowners may sink money into a home, but that does not translate into economic production for the homeowner. Vanity is not economic production....it is vanity.

Your position as a homeowner does not make you a titan of capitalism. It makes you a homeowner. It may help Home Depot. But the money you spend at Home Depot was not generated by your home. It was generated by your labor elsewhere outside the home. Which was Smith's point. And if not spent at Home Depot, that money would be diverted to someother economic activity.

You home, at best, is an investment. Your new carpets, drapes, paint etc are nothing more than injecting new capital into an investment. And a tribute to your vanity over the home. And again, none of the capital spent on the new carpet, drapes, paint, etc. was generated by your home. It is no different than granting tax breaks to active Wall Street traders....so, why not give purchasers of stock a credit for commissions paid instead of allowing them an adjustment on the basis of the stock? It is no different than the purchase of a commodity......tax breaks for grain storage costs?

And considering the short term possibilities of stocks and grain...those ideas may make more sense.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 10:02 AM (OWjjx)

218 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 10:02 AM (OWjjx)


****

it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong about something and is unlikely to be the last.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 10:16 AM (piMMO)

219 ... but it's for the children ...

For 15 years, teachers in three Southern states paid Clarence Mumford Sr. — himself a longtime educator — to send someone else to take the tests in their place, authorities said. Each time, Mumford received a fee of between $1,500 and $3,000 to send one of his test ringers with fake identification to the Praxis exam. In return, his customers got a passing grade and began their careers as cheaters, according to federal prosecutors in Memphis.

Authorities say the scheme affected hundreds — if not thousands — of public school students who ended up being taught by unqualified instructors.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2012 10:20 AM (e8kgV)

220 What is the GOP thinking having their fingerprints on getting rid of the mortgage deduction?

The smart play would simply be to let the Bush tax cuts expire, blame Obama, and then pass a bill in the House that lowers rates and put the ball back in Obama and Harry Reid's court. If they shoot it down, pass another one until Americans get the idea of who's really for higher taxes on the middle class.

Posted by: McAdams at November 27, 2012 10:31 AM (o90Z3)

221 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2012 10:16 AM (piMMO)

For a true discovery of just how wrong one can be.......one needs to have teenage daughters.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 27, 2012 11:06 AM (OWjjx)






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