Poll: Plurailty of Public Would Blame GOP More Than Obama For Falling Off The Fiscal Cliff

Slublog sent this in, wondering why we should even bother with these nitwits called "Americans."

But the numbers here -- 45% would blame the GOP more, 34% would blame Obama more -- are mostly reflective of the general base of both parties. Among all adults, I mean, not just voters or likely voters.

It is frustrating being a political minority. There's no getting around that.

Meanwhile, while the idiot public plans on blaming the GOP, the Democrats are actually plotting to take us over the cliff. And then blaming the GOP, of course.

A growing bloc of emboldened liberals say they’re not afraid to watch defense spending get gouged and taxes go up on every American if a budget deal doesn’t satisfy their priorities. …

Bolstering the Democrats’ strategy is the belief that the “fiscal cliff” is actually shaped more like a “slope” where the economic effects will be felt gradually, not immediately. That theory gives Congress some time at the beginning of 2013 to set tax rates and configure budget cuts in a different political environment and with a new class of lawmakers.

The Democrats couldn't pass these tax hikes affirmatively, of course. They are only occurring because Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe (and the late Arlen Specter) demanded that the Bush tax cuts be sunsetted, with a date certain of expiration. This date was later pushed back but the expiration remained intact.

And yet spending plans are never sunsetted. That just goes on and on, infinitely.

Let me put it in Oliver Stone terms: Our tax cuts are orgasms. Their spending plans are wargasms.

I think that explains it.

Posted by: Ace at 12:11 PM



Comments

1 [shrug] Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens so they might as well be blamed for doing the right thing. They won't, of course, but a guy can dream.

Posted by: joncelli at November 26, 2012 12:14 PM (RD7QR)

2 Like blaming the doctor for the cancer diagnosis.

Posted by: angler at November 26, 2012 12:15 PM (SwjAj)

3 Mentioned in the other thread, I said Obama had outspent Romney at least 2 to 1 in the election. Almost a billion dollar in propaganda plus the help of the media goes a long way.

I'm actually surprised it's only a plurality that would blame the GOP for the fiscal cliff.

Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 12:16 PM (+AV7H)

4 Give the Democrats everything they want, the full fucking load.

Burn it down.

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 26, 2012 12:16 PM (PBRO4)

5 Polls say what they want them to say.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:17 PM (YdQQY)

6 This is amusing because isn't one supposed to blame one for actions that have occurred, not will occur?

Think about it. Don't we actually have to wait until negotiations to see who's being intransigent?

Only 45%? Go for it. Put in some poison pills and hammer that the Democrats aren't caving only because they want to protect their rich buddies.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:17 PM (T0NGe)

7 And you can thank BOEHNER for this as well....

Some of us warned that sequestration was a TRAP.... that it was a NO WIN situation if we lost the election....

But the real question is... as this is NOT a spending Bill... it is NOT the defense approprations act.... and it puts restrictions on a (what was then) FUTURE Congress.... is it even Legal?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 26, 2012 12:17 PM (lZBBB)

8 Metallica said it best in a remake of someone else's song...

So...Fucking...What...

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 12:17 PM (hNXHo)

9 Let it incinerate.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 26, 2012 12:18 PM (AWmfW)

10 F*ck it.

Give the Dems everything they want then let everything fall apart. I am tired of fighting against a willfully ignorant citizenry.

In age where you can access Google from a cell phone, there's no excuse for this stupidity.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at November 26, 2012 12:18 PM (HjJbK)

11 Republicans ought to just stand back and vote present. Let it freakin crash.
they will be blamed for anything.. let it all fall on dems.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 12:18 PM (DGIjM)

12 The Democrats couldn't pass these tax hikes affirmatively, of course.
They are only occurring because Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe (and the
late Arlen Specter) demanded that the Bush tax cuts be sunsetted, with a
date certain of expiration. This date was later pushed back but the
expiration remained intact.



Ace, if I am not mistaken the reason those tax cuts were sunsetted is because they had to use "Reconciliation" to pass them. They did not have 60 votes to make it beyond the Democrat block. Now that may have been because of the RINOs joining with the Dems, but I don't think we had 60 Republicans anyway.


The Byrd rule requires a 10 year sunset on reconciliation if it increases the deficit.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:20 PM (YdQQY)

13 Republicans ought to just stand back and vote present. Let it freakin crash.

they will be blamed for anything.. let it all fall on dems.
*************************************

Then they'll be blamed for not trying to stop it. Democrats will always come out smelling like roses.


Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 12:20 PM (+AV7H)

14 And Republicans will always get blamed as long as the MFM is made up of communists.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:20 PM (YdQQY)

15 Posted by: joncelli at November 26, 2012 12:14 PM (RD7QR)

This +1000

There comes a time, as many Men know, when NOTHING you say will make any difference... when EVERYTHING is your fault, not matter what....

At that point? You have a choice... Man UP? and tell the truth... and do the right thing?

Or wimp out hoping the consequences of your loss of integrity and honor, is worth it....

Problem is? In the long run? It never works anyway.... so MAN THE F UP GOP!

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 26, 2012 12:21 PM (lZBBB)

16 Let's look at this like problem solvers, shall we?

1. We know the problem: The media. Without a corrupt media lying and omitting for Dems and mercilessly pummeling the Repubs, none of this would be happening.

2. We can crush The media - but we refuse to give up our Monday Night Football and "The Office".

3. This is doable. If 10s of millions of us cancelled cable, problem solved.

It ain't like we have to suffer Valley Forge here... we're just too lazy and spoiled. Actually - YOU"RE just too lazy. I just cancelled my Cable service.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:21 PM (cVYiZ)

17 Why yes, this does go up me sideways.

Posted by: Truman North at November 26, 2012 12:21 PM (I2LwF)

18 Tax me, tax me hard. Hard and fast. The economic citizenship from Dominica is only $135,000 give me a reason.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 26, 2012 12:21 PM (SDkq3)

19 Ace and company, what about Obama's debate promise of a 100,000 new teachers? Why are we letting him off the hook with that one?

I don't get it. Let the guy lie his ass off, make wild claims, and we can't even make a coherent counter mockery of the guy who's going to teacher and tax us back to prosperity?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:22 PM (QxSug)

20 So let us get this straight....

If we don't cooperate, we get big defense cuts and higher taxes, and the Republicans get the blame?

Well, shee-it, Ne-gro! That's all you had to say!

Posted by: The Democrats at November 26, 2012 12:22 PM (Yuybg)

21
>>>That theory gives Congress some time at the beginning of 2013 to set tax rates and configure budget cuts in a different political environment and with a new class of lawmakers.

You mean they're thinking of actually presenting a budget? I guess it could happen...

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 26, 2012 12:22 PM (r5w1L)

22 Best five words in the radio! Mark Steyn, in for Rush!


To get some humor with your discussion of the fiscal cliff.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 26, 2012 12:22 PM (p7yO9)

23

This is what you get by not making your case every single day and villifying the Democrats every single day.

To call the Republicans reticent is an understatement.

For instance: the only time Republicans talk about Unemployment is the day a jobs report is released. And then they go back to being mimes for another 30 days.




Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:22 PM (ETO1s)

24 Fiscal Cliff my ASS, if we the people still working do not pick up the tab for those who do not work, it will have the impact of a ride with a Nuke Like Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove...

Posted by: Clemenza at November 26, 2012 12:23 PM (afx6B)

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:23 PM (5DR1j)

26 The Byrd rule requires a 10 year sunset on reconciliation if it increases the deficit.


Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:20 PM (YdQQY)



So. Tax cuts increase the deficit, while ObamaTax decreases it.

..................

I'm gonna have to start repairing walls and desks soon.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 12:23 PM (da5Wo)

27
As a wise anonymous moron once said....."Fuck it. Let it burn."

Things have already gone to hell under King Barky the Oneth, and as long as the public supports him, I'm happy to watch it all go up in flames. Eventually the voting public will begin to clue in on why things are so bad, and until then, they deserve the ride on the shit roller-coaster their votes helped pay for.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 26, 2012 12:24 PM (L7hol)

28 Fuck the rich. They got bailed out by obama and they make fun of us aspirational types. But at least tie tax cuts to something that helps us, like a budget that isn't a $1trillion a year slush fund for obama to do whatever the hell he's been doing with it since 2009!

This is so painful, congress no longer exists.

Obama has his stash, has his wars (and his peace prize) and his personal police force and so on.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:24 PM (QxSug)

29 but it's our fault. right?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:24 PM (QxSug)

30 That John Boehner, playing twenty-dimensional chess back in August 2011!

Heaven help us if the credit rating gets downgraded! We won't win the election in 2012!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 26, 2012 12:24 PM (BNuW6)

31 I have broad shoulders and a decent parachute. You want to go over the cliff, do you? You want to blame me, do you? I see your cliff and raise you jagged rocks at the bottom? You in? Well keep drivin', I'm in the back seat where you told me to be, sitting quietly.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:25 PM (UhXzR)

32 Admit it. Most of you record "Meet The Press", George Stephonopolous", "Face The Nation", etc. Yet, you know very well that when you do that, you're feeding into your own demise.

If you're going to bitch, at least do something as simple as giving up cable TV. This is winnable. It's not even that freaking difficult.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:25 PM (cVYiZ)

33 Then let's just go over the falls. Any compromise at this point will likely be worse.

Strap in. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 12:25 PM (C/NnJ)

34 So this is more weight to the "Make the family farm workable and move there ASAP" side of the ledger...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:25 PM (5DR1j)

35 Polls say what they want them to say.

Not to mention the entire way in which the question is worded can skew the results.

Like, "Do you agree with the assessment of the majority of Americans that the Republicans are at fault for everything that goes wrong in this country?"

You could probably score 80% affirmative responses.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 26, 2012 12:25 PM (feFL6)

36 29
but it's our fault. right?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:24 PM (QxSug)

Of course. Because racism.

Posted by: joncelli at November 26, 2012 12:26 PM (RD7QR)

37 "Present" is my vote. In the mean time, I'll be over here plotting.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:26 PM (UhXzR)

38 >Admit it. Most of you record "Meet The Press", George Stephonopolous",
"Face The Nation", etc.



Like hell. Sunday mornings are for "Countdown To Kickoff" and other football-related programming. Shit- I'm watching football right now- OK St 14, OSU 3

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:27 PM (8sCoq)

39

There is a way out for the GOP: Sign off on Obama's tax hikes BUT:

1. Call it "Obama's Tax Hikes" in the bill and utter that phrase until blue in the face.

2. Put an expiration date on "Obama's Tax Hikes" so that the issue comes up again in a year when we're in recession because of Obama's Tax Hikes.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:27 PM (ETO1s)

40
Yep. Let it burn.
If this is what the "we, the people" wantand voted in as leadership, then I say let them have it.
My new motto is "Apres L'Deluge."

Posted by: keithp at November 26, 2012 12:27 PM (kduZC)

41 Those same 45% will blame Republicans for the economy failing after 8 years of Obama. Those are the same 45% that live in California but still vote Demcrat while wondering why their state sucks.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 26, 2012 12:27 PM (shfzd)

42 yup, Boehner's a sack of shit. How does that 2011 deal taste now?

I'm sorry, what hill is left to fight for?

I'm an American, I'll trade prosperity for freedom any day. Give obama taxes just force him to give up the replacement-voter immigration or his police forces or something.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:28 PM (QxSug)

43 @39 Bingo.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 12:28 PM (DGIjM)

44 There's way more content on the Internet than on Cable TV. The one thing you might miss is football...

Personally, I'm getting fed up with supporting the pampered thugs in the NFL, NBA, etc who almost in unison, actively and vocally support our demise.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:29 PM (cVYiZ)

45 The thing about this fiscal cliff shit is, BOTH parties don't give a fuck what happens to The People- the main concern is, how they can spin this to benefit politically

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:29 PM (8sCoq)

46 Land of the SCOMS and home of the SCOMS.

Posted by: eleven at November 26, 2012 12:29 PM (KXm42)

47
"Let it burn"


I prefer "Brace for impact"

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 26, 2012 12:29 PM (xXhWA)

48 This is what you get by not making your case every single day and villifying the Democrats every single day.

If you make your case in a forest and nobody hears it, did you ever make your case?

With 15 hours a week, Rush frequently makes brilliant points (along with slush, of course). What gets media attention? The word "slut".

Is there any Democrat commentator anywhere close to Krauthammer intellectually? Part of the problem is our own success with Fox News. We don't penetrate the "mainstream" media because it keeps us out, either explicitly or based on the fact that they just won't hire a Krauthammer.

What really hits is the politics in non-political media: The cheap shots made in sitcoms, the pathetically unrealistic stereotypes, etc. Even when they're rejected at, say, the box office, the cumulative effect is overwhelming.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:30 PM (T0NGe)

49 But the real question is... as this is NOT a
spending Bill... it is NOT the defense approprations act.... and it puts
restrictions on a (what was then) FUTURE Congress.... is it even Legal?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 26, 2012 12:17 PM


This would be a valid question back in the day when presidents and Congress considered themselves bound by those archaic things called "laws." It has been said that some members of the latter group used to act on things called "principles," too.

Today, we have Choom Boy, his co-conspirators and the spineless eunuchs of the so-called opposition. They are enabled in large part by the media (and I don't mean just the toe-suckers of the MFM, but also the sellouts of the alleged conservative media who are now suggesting we adopt all the Democrats' positions in order to feel all relevant and included in the best D.C. parties and "Blogger's Rows."

We, outside the new Inner Circle of politics -- denied admission by race and thought as much as by party affiliation -- can only stand idly by and carp about the details. We are not heard or considered in any way. The traitors and cowards have won.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 26, 2012 12:30 PM (yKUrR)

50 Republicans ought to just stand back and vote present. Let it freakin crash. they will be blamed for anything.. let it all fall on dems.

I'm with Jumbo on this. Just let it burn down. I'm tired of beating my head against the wall when a majority of the population just wants free shit.

Posted by: Infidel at November 26, 2012 12:30 PM (O/fK8)

51 Do you know why the GOP will fuck this up?

Because they fuck up everything.

Talk about cancelling cable is funny. How about cancelling the GOP voter reg?

How about both?

Posted by: nip at November 26, 2012 12:30 PM (11Tdq)

52 What really hits is the politics in non-political media: The cheap shots made in sitcoms, the pathetically unrealistic stereotypes, etc. Even when they're rejected at, say, the box office, the cumulative effect is overwhelming.

This is what's killing us. This isn't about the news, it's about the people who avoid watching the news.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 26, 2012 12:31 PM (BNuW6)

53 >>> "Like hell. Sunday mornings are for "Countdown To Kickoff" and other football-related programming. Shit- I'm watching football right now- OK St 14, OSU 3"

Great. Very manly. Meanwhile the cable company and the networks you support are dismantling our country in front of our eyes.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:31 PM (cVYiZ)

54 What really hits is the politics in non-political media: The cheap shots
made in sitcoms, the pathetically unrealistic stereotypes, etc. Even
when they're rejected at, say, the box office, the cumulative effect is
overwhelming.


Which is why we need to focus on those media to start winning the culture wars again. Or at least, you know, show up in them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:31 PM (5DR1j)

55 This is ALL about gutting defense. The liberal have wanted to for 60 years. They do not fear the Socialist in China or Russian. They love them. Read the NY Slime.

Unfortunately, when the Mohammedans attack and start killing their ghey friends and putting the feminist in burkas, they are not going to be too happy.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 12:31 PM (wR+pz)

56 12 The Byrd rule requires a 10 year sunset on reconciliation if it increases the deficit. ----------------------------------


Wasn't ObamaNoCare passed with reconciliation? So after 10 years we can make it go away? Haha, yeah right.

Posted by: Boots at November 26, 2012 12:31 PM (neKzn)

57 So. Tax cuts increase the deficit, while ObamaTax decreases it.

..................

I'm gonna have to start repairing walls and desks soon.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 12:23 PM (da5Wo)

The CBO graded the Bush tax cuts as a deficit increase. Note that the Obamacare "fix" which was passed under reconciliation is also graded as a deficit increase, therefore it will sunset as well.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:31 PM (YdQQY)

58 Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:29 PM (cVYiZ)

Check out NFL Replay from the NFL website... can't watch live, but you can stream right after the games are over....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 26, 2012 12:31 PM (lZBBB)

59 >I prefer "Brace for impact"

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 26, 2012 12:29 PM (xXhWA)


"Impact" doesn't even begin to describe it

Posted by: SMOD at November 26, 2012 12:32 PM (8sCoq)

60 Me? I'd agree to tax increases...but they start in 2015. And spending cuts now.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:32 PM (T0NGe)

61 Krauthammer...fuck.

Posted by: nip at November 26, 2012 12:32 PM (11Tdq)

62 We can take care of your family farm, too!

Posted by: 55% Estate Tax at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (l3vZN)

63 I only get free channels. I haven't missed cable at all.

YMMV

Posted by: eleven at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (KXm42)

64 Look this is almost a given, this is what will happen:

1) they will raise taxes on those making over--------fill in the blank? $250,000? $500,000? What ever? but it's going up

2) but the bigger farce is the spending cuts: a majority of that bullshit will be from phantom savings from non-existent spending cuts from money never budgeted for the "Wars" in Iraq and Afghansitan.

And the American Public and the MSM will fall for it lock stock and barrel.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (79ueO)

65
You know, if we were more organized a threat of tax revolt might give us some leverage, just saying.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (xXhWA)

66 >Great. Very manly. Meanwhile the cable company and the networks you support are dismantling our country in front of our eyes.


yes- the greatest threat to America is Comcast. get your head out of your ass before you decide to fuck with me on a Monday morning

Posted by: SMOD at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (8sCoq)

67 We can take care of your family farm, too!

That's why you "sell" it to your heirs (for the minimum amount that won't raise eyebrows) before you die.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (5DR1j)

68

what bothers me the most about the GOP is the lack of creativity and the lack of basic negotiating skills

we don't have a single "clever" person in the GOP -- there are better ideas to be found in the AoS comment threads than out of the Republicans in DC.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:34 PM (ETO1s)

69 34 Allen G: already in the works. My little brother (he with the bronze star, post-Afghanistan) purchased 17 pounds of ammo and we'll be spending Christmas with the extended family practicing and planning. The world may fall apart, but me and mine will be safe.

What else can we do?

Posted by: Jamie W. at November 26, 2012 12:34 PM (LBdNc)

70 66 is me

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:34 PM (8sCoq)

71
Remember the old addage: never argue with idiots. They control the government, but we can control ourselves. Let them win the battles in the short term. We only loose faster if we engage. We need to retreat.
The war will be long. Let them build on their failures until the real crisis is here. Then it can be "I told you so, now follow me."

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:34 PM (UhXzR)

72 For the record, I didn't actually use the word nitwits: "If the public is determined to be unserious, why take politics seriously anymore? Let it burn."

I merely implied it.

Posted by: Slublog at November 26, 2012 12:34 PM (0nqdj)

73 >>> "This is what's killing us. This isn't about the news, it's about the people who avoid watching the news."

It's about the entire media apparatus. News, sitcoms, movies, sports. We have a choice.

All the BS you morons are talking about whose blame it is - doesn't matter one lick. What matters is the way the media portrays it. and that will be that we suck - dems good. Isn't this obvious?

We give them that power. We can take it away - and that would solve everything quickly.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:35 PM (cVYiZ)

74 65
You know, if we were more organized a threat of tax revolt might give us some leverage, just saying.


"Hello IRS? Please stop deducting money from my paycheck. I'm boycotting you."

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 26, 2012 12:35 PM (BNuW6)

75 Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:28 PM (QxSug)

Yep.... I'd also trade prosperity, for Freedom.... but the shit sandwich we are being handed by BOTH parties, gives us neither.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 26, 2012 12:35 PM (lZBBB)

76 Implied it strongly. Because...let it burn. Give people the government they voted for.

Posted by: Slublog at November 26, 2012 12:35 PM (0nqdj)

77 I listened from another room while one of my many moonbat relatives (they have not one, not two, but THREE "Vote Obama" magnets on their fridge, still, 3-weeks AFTER the election) was ranting this weekend about how Romney "would say anything get elected" and how the GOP was "so stupid and anti-science" and yadda yadda yadda.

What it did for me is push me from the fence, squarely into the "Burn it all the f*ck down" camp.

Burn. It. Down.

Posted by: DocJ at November 26, 2012 12:35 PM (A5uiv)

78 >>>>"Hello IRS? Please stop deducting money from my paycheck. I'm boycotting you."

'Hello, patriot? Please stand by for immediate arrest and several years of incarceration. Thank you.'

Posted by: The IRS at November 26, 2012 12:36 PM (HjJbK)

79 Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:27 PM (ETO1s)

Will never happen. It would be mean, and racist.

Posted by: blue star at November 26, 2012 12:36 PM (rmdRH)

80 "Any Republican refusal to accept President Barack Obama’s fiscal plan may ruin Christmas for the nation’s retailers, the White House claimed in a report released Monday morning." (from Gateway)

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 12:36 PM (DGIjM)

81 Unfortunately, when the Mohammedans attack and start killing their
ghey friends and putting the feminist in burkas, they are not going to
be too happy.


First, feminists defend burkhas. They call them a "choice". Feminism is really dead, even in academia. Defending Clinton was really the deathknell. Now they argue that women are supposed to use their sexuality to get ahead...or something. Women can be subjugated by rules that demand that they work at specific times of the day and days of the week but social (and worse) pressure to wear a full body covering -- oh, that's just cultural difference.

Second, this moral relativism allows them to excuse (or ignore, most often) the murder of gays. That's what their society wants, so who are we to argue?

Reality never bites the liberal mind.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:36 PM (T0NGe)

82 67
We can take care of your family farm, too!

That's why you "sell" it to your heirs (for the minimum amount that won't raise eyebrows) before you die.


Won't work. Any sale below the appraised value will be thrown out. This year you have a $5 million exemption for gifting, next year only one. Gift all you can this year.


Are you the guy with the blog?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 12:37 PM (wR+pz)

83 @60 - Good idea on cuts now, taxes later. One problem - no matter what, the Left cannot be trusted and they will demegogue you for not addressing the "revenue side" immediately.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:37 PM (UhXzR)

84 The best strategy is to give the President what he wants, totally capitulate on tax increases and no spending cuts. Then when the economy continues to bump along the bottom, the jobless rate remains unchanged (or increases), and the deficits and debt continue to grow, the GOP can confidently point out that the President and Democrats own that particular failure. The GOP can win a longer term fight by conceding a short term battle that they cannot otherwise win.

Posted by: steve walsh at November 26, 2012 12:37 PM (qRZ5f)

85 68




what bothers me the most about the GOP is the lack of creativity and the lack of basic negotiating skills



we don't have a single "clever" person in the GOP -- there are
better ideas to be found in the AoS comment threads than out of the
Republicans in DC.





Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:34 PM (ETO1s)

It's like they're part of the scam..

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 26, 2012 12:37 PM (AWmfW)

86 We give them that power. We can take it away - and that would solve everything quickly.

I don't watch network TV. I don't watch cable. I'd venture most conservatives don't. We aren't the target audience.

The people watching it are either independents who have no clue or democrats.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 26, 2012 12:38 PM (BNuW6)

87 economic citizenship from Dominica is only $135,000

English speaking, no snow, no residency periods...sounds attractive.

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 26, 2012 12:38 PM (PBRO4)

88 >>> "yes- the greatest threat to America is Comcast. get your head out of your ass before you decide to fuck with me on a Monday morning"

Comcast owns NBC.
NBC owns viewers minds.

Absolutely Comcast is one of the greatest threats to America. If you don't understand that, you haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:38 PM (cVYiZ)

89 The one thing you might miss is football...

As Slingbox becomes more popular it soon might not be too hard to find somebody, somewhere pushing real-time football on the web. Just gotta find what the IP addy is.

I think I just came up with a million dollar idea, but I have no idea how to get from point A to point B.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 26, 2012 12:38 PM (feFL6)

90 @69

17 pounds of ammo?

Shit, I have more than that in my trunk. What will you do after you practice?

I hope buy a couple hundred pounds more.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 12:39 PM (wR+pz)

91 DocJ, yeah Obama is their own personal jesus but they're all rational and shit.

Remember, Romney was ahead for a week or two before the election until Sandy hit.

I think Romney's answer to "please dump on Bush the W" in debate #2 was a killer. He could have trashed obama so bad if he pointed out that Bush didn't blah blah blah $5T deficit while having unemployment below 5% while blah blah blah Fannie Mae and Obama suing banks to get free money to obamaphonelady.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:39 PM (QxSug)

92 Long term Cap Gains are going up too.

Good luck with your Agri endeavor, though.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 26, 2012 12:39 PM (l3vZN)

93
67
We can take care of your family farm, too!

---------------------

That's why you "sell" it to your heirs (for the minimum amount that won't raise eyebrows) before you die.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (5DR1j)


It took a long time, but apparently my grandfather managed to convince my great grandfather to sell him virtually all of his assets late in life. Now, if most of your net worth is liquid, like my grandfather's, that won't work. Then Trusts come into play.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 12:39 PM (da5Wo)

94 we don't have a single "clever" person in the GOP -- there are
better ideas to be found in the AoS comment threads than out of the
Republicans in DC.


Bull. You don't see any "clever" GOP people because the media filters it. BTW, what about Paul Ryan? I guess he wasn't clever enough. But nobody is with our media. Every misstep or inarticulate moment is blasted to everyone and brilliant stuff is ignored.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:39 PM (T0NGe)

95 "... these nitwits called 'Americans.'"

TWANLOC. Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen.

Ronald Reagan famously said once “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. It left me.” Funny how I find myself thinking exactly the same thing about America. Am I so terribly wrong to feel this way?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 26, 2012 12:39 PM (Jdtsu)

96

If you havent figured it out yet...

this whole "fiscal cliff" farce is being played out for one reason only:

to help the Democrats win the House in 2014.

The plan is to drag the Republicans to the left and demoralize the GOP base for 2014. There is no "fiscal cliff." This is all about the 2014 campaign for the House.



Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:40 PM (ETO1s)

97 The conservatives in general and GOP (by no means the same folks) are to the media/democrats: stump-toothed rednecks, haters of everything, bible thumping bigots, uneducated and just plain evil...until they are needed to blame for not providing adult supervision. See how that works?

Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 12:40 PM (E23Tl)

98 >>> "I don't watch network TV. I don't watch cable. I'd venture most conservatives don't. We aren't the target audience."

There's not an ounce of me that believes that most Conservatives don't watch cable TV. I'm thinking the number is probably around 95% who do.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:41 PM (cVYiZ)

99 Do you guys actually read the comments when it hits feeding frenzy levels like this?

Anyway, the reason Rs will never win again is no one believes they won't spend like drunken sailors. They ruined their own brand. Bushes gave us as much big government at dem ever dreamed of.

No one trusts them anymore.

2010 was their last chance and then they raised the debt ceiling repeatedly. A pox on all their houses.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 12:41 PM (OQpzc)

100
A close family member has not spoken to me since September. I know it is because of the election and she cannot control herself, so she just stays away. She is not ever going to change. Truth is, all libs will never change until they have a self realized epiphany.
L/MIB.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:41 PM (UhXzR)

101 So let them blame the GOP. Who cares? The election is two years away.

The need for the next increase in the debt limit is months away. House Republicans just need to hold to the position that there will be no increase in the debt limit until the fiscal cliff is dealt with.

They can have their raised taxes and cut defense spending, if they're willing to have a balanced budget. I think the Democrats will find that too painful.

But the Republicans need to start saying 1: The Democrats are not negotiating in good faith. 2: There will be no increase in the debt limit until the Democrats negotiate in good faith on the fiscal cliff.

The only proper response to the Democrats playing hardball is a return of the favor.

Posted by: Greg Q at November 26, 2012 12:41 PM (4Pleu)

102 As I said in beginning of thread, Obama's plan is what?

teachers.
tax.

What a fuck up.

He has no plan.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:41 PM (QxSug)

103 I mean I know his plan is:

MASSIVE immigration. Like hello, red and swing states, here's a million people on obamaphones who will never learn to do anything more in this life other than to vote dnc.

SPEND the fuck out of whatever he can get the ben bernake to print

The rest of it? Taxes, who cares, there's no rich people left aside from evil rich people like hollywood types and nfl stars.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:43 PM (QxSug)

104 It's ironic but the GOP is the n*gger of the country. They are responsible for everything. Even worse than the Jews.

P.S. The GOP is absolutely, positively worthless. The GOP decided some time ago that they would ignore and insult the base for the purpose of attracting moderates and minorities. They are getting ready to do it again regarding "immigration." It will fail as every other outreach effort has failed. Meanwhile, Lindsey Graham is reaching out across the aisle to raise taxes.

GOP: it stands for nothing and falls for everything.

P.P.S. I saw Cloud Atlas over the weekend. It turns out that ":Big Oil" is evil.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2012 12:43 PM (Hx5uv)

105 Something needs to be done to destroy-obliterate the MFM. Every prominent Republican and conservative since Bork has been Borked


Only Bush survived, and barely; him and a few Senators.


Cancel your cable, especially if it's Comcast ( NBC Universal ). Don't go to or buy or pay your cable to watch new movies. Starve the c*cksucking beast

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 26, 2012 12:43 PM (Dll6b)

106 The Masses are Asses.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 26, 2012 12:43 PM (ndlFj)

107 The primacy of our concerns should be focused on cultural collapse at this point. The mainstreaming punks of media are in full throttled harmony with the dems and will be driving this thing to the brink and beyond to control the power.
Meanwhile, Obama is being called the messiah in open forum.
If I didn't know any better, I would say a new religion is being called up and the State is now replacing the genius of the constitution that brought us inalienable rights.

Posted by: Journolist in L.A. at November 26, 2012 12:43 PM (LyIKl)

108 Sympleton, 12:35 -

"What matters is the way the media portrays it. and that will be that we suck - dems good."

Which reminds me of an old peeve: If you read, say, AP articles on the world, the bad guys are always, but always, described as conservatives. Or ultra-conservatives. The good guys are liberals.

Thus, in Egypt, the Islamists who don't think Morsi is Islamist enough? Ultra-conservatives. Those who oppose his declaration of dictatorial powers? Liberals.

Iran: Khomeini and his disciples: Ultraconservatives. Anyone advocating any freedom, any diminished hostility toward the US? Liberals.

It's been going on for decades. National Review had this actual quote, I forget from which media outlet, from the '60s:

"Conservatives in the Kremlin have cracked down [on the breadth of the allowed reading list in the Soviet Union], banning [among others] 'The Conscience of a Conservative,' by Barry Goldwater."

Posted by: JPS at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (Yuybg)

109 Reality never bites the liberal mind.


Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:36 PM (T0NGe)

Yeah it does, when they start marching off to "The Showers" they start to figure it out.

Oops, too late.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (wR+pz)

110 Sequestration is meaningless. Congress doesn't 'do' budgets anymore, so they'll claim to cut $50 billion in spending from DoD and again from 'whereever' and then spend however much they want next year.

As for the tax hikes, this is what the public voted for. Let them have it good and hard. And all the consequences that go with it.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Methos at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (hO9ad)

111 The guy who writes the part above the comments is up.

Posted by: Butters at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (NIZHJ)

112 GOP needs to point out that all these cuts that democrats are advocating are just baseline budgeting "cuts"... and are very often complete accounting illusions.

But yeah stupid party blah blah blah GG.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (xAtAj)

113 It's almost like they are serving us Pi whether we like it or not.

Posted by: Journolist in L.A. at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (LyIKl)

114 What is the rest of the obama plan besides
tax teachers spending immigration?

we start getting into crazy land.

police state? crushing PC reeducation?

I'd like to see some sign of sanity from Obama admin to show that they're not really in it for cloward piven.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (QxSug)

115 We need Rush or Sarah or someone who has sway over 10s of millions of Conservatives to arrange a nationwide boycott.

Nothing else will work. This is ALL about the media. This is a solvable problem.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:45 PM (cVYiZ)

116 You know, if we were more organized a threat of tax revolt might give us some leverage, just saying.

Stealth tax revolt. If you've made enough to retire on, retire. Stop feeding the beast. There's no point in working any longer than you need to at this point. There is no "future".

Cash out, reduce your reportable income to as close to zero as possible. Sign up for food stamps, get an ObamaPhone.

Join the underground economy if you want to stay busy.

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 26, 2012 12:45 PM (PBRO4)

117

and where is Paul Ryan now?

it's funny how every single time I or someone else presents an idea there's always someone who says it's a waste of time because the media will never cover it.

well then forget it. lets just give up and spend our time debating the Civil War and arguing with trolls

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:45 PM (ETO1s)

118 Cliff diving, our new identity.

Posted by: Muff at November 26, 2012 12:46 PM (sYewh)

119
The Democrats couldn't pass these tax hikes affirmatively, of course...





Pretty smart of the Republican controlled House to pass the Budget Control Act of 2011 that put the bullet in the chamber, huh?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 26, 2012 12:46 PM (kdS6q)

120 re: "Personally, I'm getting fed up with supporting the pampered thugs in the NFL, NBA, etc who almost in unison, actively and vocally support our demise."

Players aren't majority-Republican, but they're *far* more Republican than any random selection of demographically similar dudes.

Meanwhile, team owners and management, league employees, and the sports media are, almost without exception, Democrats.

So.

Posted by: oblig. at November 26, 2012 12:46 PM (cePv8)

121 As I said in beginning of thread, Obama's plan is what?



teachers.

tax.



What a fuck up.



He has no plan.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:41 PM (QxSug)

Dude. His plan to fix the economy is to tax capital gains... so they can get better teachers... yep.

I lost it when that was his explanation during one of the debates. Wow.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 12:46 PM (xAtAj)

122 Every single lefty I know, when confronted with the impending disaster of Obamacare, will reflexively blame the Republicans. One asshole I know in particular will tell me with a straight face that the Republicans voted for it too! They will not allow their idiocy to be countered with facts.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 12:46 PM (E23Tl)

123 I think it's cowardly and stupid to blame "the GOP" as if it's some sort of unified entity.

I guess it makes one feel all victimy. The big, bad "GOP" is keeping you down.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:47 PM (T0NGe)

124 honestly I'm at the point republicans should just give him every dream come true for the left. collapse? it will be horrible. even worse than letting your children get the results of their desires, by millions.

Obama has shown He would go around congress in any event. He just needed this second term to go fool idiot. let him.

sick, of . trying to. save. america from despotic media, the left and their fan boys.

like a kid, it has to feel the suffering of His desired freedom from responsibility.

That arguments such as binders, women not wanting to Self pay for their sexual behavior, men not wanting to be a responsible for their sexual behavior, All of the above being lauded for their freakishness, people demanding 'rights' to everyone else's work and efforts.

we suck, let them get the conequence.
I don't care to fight on their level any longer,
we all look stupider for having done so.

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 12:47 PM (hX8cq)

125 117




and where is Paul Ryan now?
----

probably in a bunker

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 12:47 PM (xAtAj)

126 I swear by the insanity of cthulhu, the majority of Americans really do believe there's a magic stash of money and the Republicans are standing in front of it shouting You shall not pass!


I was listening to Steyn while running out to get lunch and he kept saying exactly what I've been thinking - what are we getting for the trillions of dollars the government is spending? Seriously, where the hell does the money go?


If only there was some kind of business or institution that would dig into such matters and then tell the world at large.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 26, 2012 12:47 PM (VtjlW)

127 soothsayer

the republicans, for their part, are actively assisting the Dems with their plan by demoralizing their own base with their constant public displays of spinelessness, overuse of the words bipartisan and compromise, and trotting out Lindsey, McCain, and Boehner to hurt our eyes and ears

Posted by: L, elle at November 26, 2012 12:48 PM (0PiQ4)

128
Not to sound like a Ron Paul, but, our defense spending taking a hit should force the DD to reallocate resources to our biggest threats and we can reduce our base sizes in areas of lesser need.

So, this cliff thingy can be a good thing afterall.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:48 PM (UhXzR)

129 Let it implode. We'll piece it together on the other side. The important thing is to maintain the ability to say "we tried to be reasonable, but we are not surrendering. You did not win the strength to demand that. You do not have the strength to demand that."

"When the moment comes, be ready."
--T. Jefferson.

Posted by: HMS Implacable at November 26, 2012 12:48 PM (PXrDL)

130 Every weekend GOP fuckups get on the TV and do not attack.

The media filter would not apply there. Further, calling into talk radio and saying "controversial things" would help steer the narrative.

Romney is the clearest example there is. No balls to attack or challenge. National live TV audience, let Obama skate.

In short: The problem is not the media, it is pussy.

Posted by: nip at November 26, 2012 12:48 PM (11Tdq)

131 Yet another datapoint confirming those who believe in Let It Burn.
If the rich and affluent voted for Obama, then they must be OK with having their taxes raised, as Obama has pledged to do just that. So give it to them.
If a plurality will blame the GOP for falling off the fiscal cliff, that means they are OK with having their taxes raised - as Democrats want to do.
So give it to them. Raise their taxes. Maybe a decrease in income, an economic downturn, and more free goodies for others will finally get people to come to their senses and realize Obama and the Democrats are playing them.

Posted by: Hoi Polloi Wingnutia at November 26, 2012 12:48 PM (xvtYZ)

132
Won't work. Any sale below the appraised value will be thrown out.
This year you have a $5 million exemption for gifting, next year only
one. Gift all you can this year.


That's why I said "minimum amount that won't raise eyebrows." That's what we did with my family farm- my grandparents sold it to my mom and aunt (their kids) for the appraised value (I think) and then "gifted" them the maximum amount they could tax-free against the sale.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:49 PM (5DR1j)

133 Not to sound like a Ron Paul, but, our defense
spending taking a hit should force the DD to reallocate resources to our
biggest threats and we can reduce our base sizes in areas of lesser
need.

So, this cliff thingy can be a good thing afterall.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:48 PM (UhXzR)
In theory that's ok but I'm guessing the cuts will be done to save pet projects first, actual security second. I want smart military cuts, and only when combined with smart cuts in entitlements and spending elsewhere.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 12:49 PM (xAtAj)

134 Let it crash then let the red states form a union.
I am so over it.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 12:49 PM (DGIjM)

135 >>>>126 I swear by the insanity of cthulhu, the majority of Americans really do believe there's a magic stash of money and the Republicans are standing in front of it shouting You shall not pass!

We really do need to push a Flat Tax. It should be our dominant issue.

If you want to change the minds of Tax Consumers, turn them all into Tax Payers. Then that 'magical government money from the sky' perception fades away.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at November 26, 2012 12:50 PM (HjJbK)

136
I think Obama and the Democrats know that a double dip recession is coming regardless. They want to "go over the cliff" in order to blame the House GOP for the second dip because "Booshh" won't work that well at this point. It will look like they're playing chicken, but they really want to hit the other car.
Count me in for the whole House GOP caucus abstaining from the vote for the tax increases. Give them everything that they want and make a big deal (as much as you can in the media) that Obama and the Democrats own this.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 26, 2012 12:50 PM (Nfpnr)

137 I guess it makes one feel all victimy. The big, bad "GOP" is keeping you down.

The GOP doesn't keep us down. It lets us down. Everytime it matters.

Posted by: Methos at November 26, 2012 12:50 PM (hO9ad)

138 Don't burn it until I get my pills. I was promised pills.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 26, 2012 12:51 PM (ndlFj)

139 I was listening to Steyn while running out to get lunch and he kept
saying exactly what I've been thinking - what are we getting for the
trillions of dollars the government is spending? Seriously, where the
hell does the money go?


Go down to the hood. New cars, Obama phones, EBT cards. It goes to income transfers so "the poor" can have what you have without working.

Next up, the auto loan scam collapse. You know the fed is pumping up auto sales to unqualified, sub prime borrowers. Takes about a year for them to get repossessed. Next year expect to see lots of used Chevys and Chryslers for sale.

Haven't you all wondered why every democrat is driving a new Chevy SUV?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 12:51 PM (wR+pz)

140

2010 was their last chance and then they
raised the debt ceiling repeatedly.



This I believe is mostly responsible for so many people not voting. They view the Republicans and Democrats as the same animal.

All that work to win the House and almost the Senate was for naught as the Republicans did very little to differentiate themselves from the Democrats.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:52 PM (ETO1s)

141 There is something very clever going on that the progressives have been doing for over 75 years. It has to do with language and into the esoterics of ontology. Which is to say, the culture is now controlled within the progressives constant framing of what is now acceptable by way of coarsness of language, arts, etc... add liberal education and the targeted alienation and ostracizing of those who disagree with you and you have... a burgeoning superstate that is not far off from persecution.
Think about this. A new religion is being formed with the stick of the state.

Posted by: Journolist in L.A. at November 26, 2012 12:52 PM (LyIKl)

142 I'm thinking that Herman Cain is right. The GOP has outlived its usefulness.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2012 12:52 PM (Hx5uv)

143 Why are you people even talking about strategies that don't involve taking down the media?

What's the point? Didn't you just watch the election? It's not about strategies and positioning. It's about what the meatheads out there get told.

WE CAN FIX THIS!

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:52 PM (cVYiZ)

144 Posted by: JPS at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (Yuybg)

Simple formula for simple minds: everything good is because of liberalism/democrats; everything bad is because of conservatism/republicans. Everywhere, at any point in time, without exception.

There's a reason why the dems often reduce their talking points to slogans that rhyme and are short enough to fit on a bumpersticker...so the idiots can easily remember them and regurgitate without thought.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 12:53 PM (E23Tl)

145 Shit, I got to spend my Lottery winning this year, dat for sure.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 12:53 PM (wR+pz)

146 This I believe is mostly responsible for so many people not voting. They view the Republicans and Democrats as the same animal.



All that work to win the House and almost the Senate was for naught
as the Republicans did very little to differentiate themselves from the
Democrats.



Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:52 PM (ETO1s)

amen.

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 12:53 PM (hX8cq)

147
Hobo, you're right. What was I thinking. The DD and all Gov't cannot get anything right because they all protect their little fiefdoms. So we are indeed DOOOOOMMMed. So f it. Bring the doom as fast as you can. MIB.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:53 PM (UhXzR)

148 I want smart military cuts, and only when combined with smart cuts in entitlements and spending elsewhere.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 12:49 PM (xAtAj)



Fuck that. Ten percent across the board actual decrease in everything. Every. Fucking. Thing. Every project, every budget, every every thing takes a 10% haircut from current spending, not a 10% haircut on the rate of increase.

Next, eliminate baseline budgeting. Zero base budgeting for every single thing.

Start there and I'll believe Our Betters are serious. Until then, time to get the goats ready for the sacrifice to summon SMOD.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 26, 2012 12:53 PM (VtjlW)

149 The GOP doesn't keep us down. It lets us down. Everytime it matters.

No, individuals let you down. Sorry, if you think "the GOP" is running the show then you didn't see how they couldn't even get Akin to step down.

Or was "the GOP" responsible for him staying in?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:53 PM (T0NGe)

150 Sympleton - um, not before it runs it's course.

Posted by: Journolist in L.A. at November 26, 2012 12:53 PM (LyIKl)

151 **Dude. His plan to fix the economy is to tax capital gains... so they can get better teachers... yep. **

he has a plan.

But it has nothing to do with teachers. Did Romney even bother to mock obama by asking:

What grade will they teach.
where will they teach
who's going to hire them
How will students get to them.

what about the 25% of graduates that work in jobs that require no education

what about the 33% of grads that live with parents again

what? did they need "better" teachers? Why? I thought you couldn't "grade" teachers because unions.

What about students who don't want to learn math and engineering. Students who can't learn math and engineering?

what about them?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:54 PM (QxSug)

152 yup. biggest romney failure was to make obama own it. This is you. Not Bush.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:55 PM (QxSug)

153 All this talk about "Let It Burn". Real freaking tough.

Better to let the country "burn" (whatever that means) than give up me Monday Night Football.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:55 PM (cVYiZ)

154 and where is Paul Ryan now?

Probably butchering the kills he and his daughter made over Thanksgiving.
http://tinyurl.com/clxhfo4

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 26, 2012 12:55 PM (tf9Ne)

155 Forget polls, do the right thing....elected officials.

HAHAHAHA....I'm stupid.

Posted by: mare at November 26, 2012 12:55 PM (A98Xu)

156 What about students who don't want to learn math and engineering. Students who can't learn math and engineering?



what about them?


Law school. One curriculum to rule us all.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 12:55 PM (T0NGe)

157 This country is going full FDR. You never go full FDR.


Posted by: Shoot Me at November 26, 2012 12:55 PM (qiXMt)

158

instead we should lament the media for 'keeping us down?'

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:55 PM (ETO1s)

159 From Hot Air:

"Two thirds of of the 1,023 adults polled by CNN/ORC believe that the
politicians who will hash [the fiscal cliff] out will behave more like “spoiled
children” than “responsible adults” in the negotiations."

Well, it's good to know I'm in the majority about something.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2012 12:56 PM (Hx5uv)

160 Oh it's going to burn. We're buying our own debt through treasury printing money.

Obama wants to tax capital gains but the interest rate is now at about zero no matter what. We can't raise rates because our deficit's payments would asplode.

So, there's going to be no growth, very small cap gains from anyone WITH savings. But money will keep being printed meaning that inflation will keep going until.

Cloward Piven man.

It's going to burn and it's not going to be pleasant.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:57 PM (QxSug)

161 Until you show me a poll that breaks out Rep and Dem and Obama . Then talk to me about poll results. Otherwise this appears to be a blog post written by a bad cover band.

Posted by: mikey at November 26, 2012 12:58 PM (/sMZ6)

162 All that work to win the House and almost the Senate was for naught

as the Republicans did very little to differentiate themselves from the

Democrats.


But we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of gevernment. We can't possibly be expected to do anything. Or simply do nothing, which was all that was required to stop the debt limit increase.

Posted by: Bizzarro Rino at November 26, 2012 12:58 PM (hO9ad)

163 What Capital Gains? Good point.

Posted by: Butters at November 26, 2012 12:58 PM (NIZHJ)

164 >>>"instead we should lament the media for 'keeping us down?' "

No. We do something about it. Stop paying the companies that we all agree are lying about our intentions and hiding the other party's atrocities.

It's really quite symple.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 12:59 PM (cVYiZ)

165 It's going to burn and it's not going to be pleasant.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:57 PM (QxSug)

Sandra Flukenfluffer knows all about unpleasant burning sensations. Because there's a war on women, or something.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 12:59 PM (E23Tl)

166 Damn! I saw "The Hobbit" with my lord and savior at the WH and it sucked! 'Dildo Faggins' more like it. PS - Me and Barry on the downlow.

Posted by: Jamie Foxx at November 26, 2012 12:59 PM (wIgpo)

167 Let the tax hike hit. Suddenly all the singles who earn 38K/ year (aka, Obama voters) will find themselves owing 28%in taxes. Bye bye refund checks. All thanks to Obama.

Posted by: Lauren at November 26, 2012 12:59 PM (wsGWu)

168 troll alert at 153

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 01:00 PM (UhXzR)

169 We really do need to push a Flat Tax. It should be our dominant issue.


Only on the way to a national sales-tax or (even better) a return to levies and duties.

I've been doing a lot of reading and research on this, and a whole lot of the current tyranny can be blamed directly on the income tax.

But to prevent a sales tax in addition to the income tax is to repeal the 16th Amendment. And that will take a lot of work.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 01:00 PM (5DR1j)

170 NBC owns viewers minds.

LOL. Ratings for the alphabet networks are in a permanent toilet. The only minds they own are those few senior citizens who haven't figured out network news sucks, and that's a self-correcting problem IYKWIMAITYD.

Now, if you wanna talk about Yahoo News and the Huffington Post and Politico and Buzzfeed owning minds, that's a forward-facing conversation.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 26, 2012 01:00 PM (B/VB5)

171 So yeah, saying LiB is fun but

teachers
tax
zero percent T-bills bought by US treasury (i.e., monetizing debt).

debt ceiling? what does that even matter?

You may also recall that the treasury is buying state and local bonds...

I just wish someone in power would show some sign of reason.

Maybe the GOP House could tie taxes (on rich people who no longer exist) to CUT SPENDING.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:00 PM (QxSug)

172 No, individuals let you down. Sorry, if you think "the GOP" is running
the show then you didn't see how they couldn't even get Akin to step
down.


"The GOP" is just shorthand for the plural of 'individual Republican politician.'

Posted by: Methos at November 26, 2012 01:00 PM (hO9ad)

173 Haven't you all wondered why every democrat is driving a new Chevy SUV?
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 12:51 PM (wR+pz)

It gets better. GMAC got bailed out and became Ally Bank. Ally bank just sold its foreign car lending arm to....General Motors.

And that doensn't even count .gov fleet sales to prop up GM. We're so screwed.

Our gov is corrupt, and we look to them to fix themselves. Crazy shit.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 01:00 PM (OQpzc)

174 We need Rush or Sarah or someone who has sway over 10s of millions of Conservatives to arrange a nationwide boycott.



Nothing else will work. This is ALL about the media. This is a solvable problem. Posted by: sympleton


I've pretty much unplugged all of media purchases, but you are making a big mistake in thinking that motivated conservatives turning off cable will affect the MSM's grip on culture.

No problem is ALL about any one thing. More importantly, then what? If there's no second step after than that builds further engagement with culture and country, you've done nothing but walled yourself into a cellar.

A boycott cannot work if the culture is not already predisposed to your issue. Cart, horse; RTFM.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 26, 2012 01:01 PM (ON54M)

175 Funny this get a degree get a job mentality. Who the fuck hires a womyn's study graduate? A government? Surely no private firm.

Who the fuck hires Sociology majors, Art History majors, African American
Study majors, Music majors, on and on?

No fucking private company. The NY Slime had a "heart breaking" story of a girl the borrowed $85,000 to get a degree in Music. Now she is so upset that she doesn't know how she is going to pay the money back. Tough shit, idiot.

WTF was she thinking? She is going be Linda Ronstadt?

Of course, she wants the loan forgiven.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 01:01 PM (wR+pz)

176 Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them.





Sucks when PRAVDA is getting it right

http://is.gd/kscBka

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 01:01 PM (8sCoq)

177 Actually, I'm looking forward to confronting some dim bulb lefties I know and mocking the everloving shit out of them. This is what you voted for! This is what you wanted! Now you're getting it good and hard and you don't like it? Idiot.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 01:02 PM (E23Tl)

178 @176 gee importing mexico into america only managed to turn america into mexico.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:02 PM (QxSug)

179 I wonder what the comparative effect on revenue would be if we taxed the rich at 90% compared to taxing that half of the population that pays no income taxes at 10%. I'll bet plan B would raise a hell of a lot more money.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2012 01:02 PM (Hx5uv)

180 Listen, a president and party that actively promote abortion and denounce God from their political platform is going to bring us to a very bad place.
Pray for this country and then pray some more.

Posted by: Journolist in L.A. at November 26, 2012 01:02 PM (LyIKl)

181 Republicans ought to just stand back and vote present. Let it freakin crash. they will be blamed for anything.. let it all fall on dems.*************************************
Then they'll be blamed for not trying to stop it. Democrats will always come out smelling like roses.


So what? I don't care about the political fortunes of the GOP anymore. All I care about is making sure every middle-class and low-info Obamaphone voter gets shafted. The Gateses and Buffetts will never really be hurt, and the GOP is too spineless to implement any of Insty's ideas, anyway, so I'm not going to concern myself with them.

It's the man on the street I want hurting. Can't afford your "free" Obamacare, can't afford to fill up your tank, can't afford to fix your 10 year old beater when it breaks down, can't afford more than Ramen noodles for your screaming kids? Good. Suffer, you assholes. Bend over and take it until you bleed, you rotten, treasonous bastards.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 26, 2012 01:02 PM (zF6Iw)

182 Are these the same pollsters that told us Romney was winning?

Posted by: marcus at November 26, 2012 01:02 PM (GGCsk)

183
Stop paying the companies that we all agree are lying about our intentions and hiding the other party's atrocities.

WTFDTM?

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 01:02 PM (UhXzR)

184 No fucking private company. The NY Slime had a
"heart breaking" story of a girl the borrowed $85,000 to get a degree in
Music. Now she is so upset that she doesn't know how she is going to
pay the money back. Tough shit, idiot.

WTF was she thinking? She is going be Linda Ronstadt?

Of course, she wants the loan forgiven.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 01:01 PM (wR+pz)
These days, she's playing the skin flute in the alley for $20.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 01:03 PM (E23Tl)

185 Sucks when PRAVDA is getting it right

---

Yeah, it's come to that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2012 01:03 PM (Hx5uv)

186 again. what rich people? what capital gains?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:04 PM (QxSug)

187 178
@176 gee importing mexico into america only managed to turn america into mexico.


Say what you want. The Mexicans work, and they bust the unions.

Unless they get on the tit, they are OK with me.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 01:04 PM (wR+pz)

188 we have spent our lifetimes trying to defend liberty.
in the meantime, how many liberty's have been taken, by those that vote for the right to invade your space/home/ yard/ land/ food/ lightbulbs/ jobs/ religion/ assassinating americans/ , for the children, (unless they want the parasitical children killed of course)?

we've had kelo, we've had someone purportedly n the side of constitution 'roberts' just give the govt the right to our wombs, bank accts, irs fun, financial livlihood's

hw exactly does this get walked back as things stand now?

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 01:04 PM (hX8cq)

189 Bend over and take it until you bleed, you rotten, treasonous bastards. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 26, 2012 01:02 PM (zF6Iw)

Go on

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 26, 2012 01:04 PM (sbV1u)

190
Until you show me a poll that breaks out Rep and Dem and Obama . Then talk to me about poll results. Otherwise this appears to be a blog post written by a bad cover band.

Posted by: mikey





If you had bothered to click thru before snarking:

A total of 1,023 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide... Among the entire sample, 32% described themselves as Democrats, 44% described themselves as Independents, and 24% described themselves as Republicans.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 26, 2012 01:04 PM (kdS6q)

191 well, pravda stole my liberal psychosis line. I hate being right all the time.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:04 PM (QxSug)

192 Vote PRESENT!!!

Posted by: thirteen28 at November 26, 2012 01:05 PM (AbmsP)

193 Of course . . . this is the same brain dead "majority" that just reelected him. This poor sick Republic is gasping its last breath.

Posted by: rplat at November 26, 2012 01:05 PM (ew94K)

194 how exactly does this get walked back as things stand now?
Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 01:04 PM (hX8cq)



One SMOD to rule us all and in the flames of the ELE bind them.


Other than that? No freaking clue.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 26, 2012 01:05 PM (VtjlW)

195 >>> "troll alert at 153"

Yeah. Must be a troll because I'm not trying to figure out the best way to handle the "fiscal cliff" - What a joke..

It doesn't matter how we handle it. We'll be painted as the racist, angry scum everyone has been taught by the Media that we will always be.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:06 PM (cVYiZ)

196 Of course, she wants the loan forgiven.

---

I was just reading Stephen Sears' Gettysburg this morning. When the Confederates invaded Pennsylvania they paid for the goods they confiscated using Confederate paper money. They brought wagon loads of flour barrels filled with Confederate paper money. We could adopt a similar policy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2012 01:06 PM (Hx5uv)

197 I got it!! Willow is deaf!

That's why she types like that!

Awesome! A deaf Moronette!

Posted by: Truman North at November 26, 2012 01:06 PM (I2LwF)

198 Lunchtime in the east is over, comments to drop off in 3,2,...

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 01:06 PM (UhXzR)

199 These days, she's playing the skin flute in the alley for $20.


Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 01:03 PM (E23Tl)

They had a picture of her. $20 would be a little generous. Music majors are not know to be a) skinny and b) attractive.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 01:06 PM (wR+pz)

200 No. We do something about it. Stop paying the companies that we all
agree are lying about our intentions and hiding the other party's
atrocities.



It's really quite symple.


1. Cancel Comcast subscription
2. ????
3. The country is saved!

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2012 01:06 PM (SY2Kh)

201 Give them everything they want plus some. 50% tax over 250k, 90% everything over a million.

Posted by: TC at November 26, 2012 01:07 PM (vYB+W)

202 More importantly, then what? If there's no second step after than that builds further engagement with culture and country, you've done nothing but walled yourself into a cellar.

This. This is why Breitbart was a revolutionary, and why a lot of the GOP didn't understand him. He understood that the end game was manipulating the media to give out your message in spite of themselves. Newt's also got some skills in that area, but nobody's stepped up as a credible replacement yet. (The DC has now botched several good O'Keefe stings in a row, for instance).

Posted by: Ian S. at November 26, 2012 01:07 PM (B/VB5)

203 All this election really shows is that the "new media" hasn't taken off as big as we think it has and a vast number of Americans still get their news from the evil empire of liberal TV News outlets.

The media still rules the roost and they're proud of it.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 26, 2012 01:07 PM (UK9cE)

204 It's lunchtime, and I'm not going to bother reading the comments, so I'll just say if you polled the Merkins about who was to blame for the sun coming up, it would be 45% Republicans, 34% Dems, and 21% What's the sun?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 26, 2012 01:08 PM (TOk1P)

205 Make It Burn!
(It's gunna anyway)

Posted by: MrShad at November 26, 2012 01:08 PM (Xqfwb)

206 how does it end?
follow great depression 1.0 for clues wrt great depression 2.0.

nothing ended until the GOP was popular enough to destroy FDR-Truman. And then there was a popular donk who sorta kinda held the same beliefs.

but he was killed and then we lost a decade and then reagan gave us a 28 year window.

So, short answer, wait 30 years.

what, you don't have 30 years laying around?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:08 PM (QxSug)

207 These days, she's playing the skin flute in the alley for $20.
Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 01:03 PM (E23Tl)

Unless she's a crack whore, she's making a $160/hr. if she decides to go that route.

Posted by: Invictus at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (OQpzc)

208 Can't we accuse the free shit army of being crass and materialistic? Of putting themselves before others who don't have as much? Of selfishly demanding consumer goods when there's so much starving in the world? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Posted by: model_1066 at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (E23Tl)

209 my question is who has $20 to give to that girl in the first place?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (QxSug)

210 1. Cancel Comcast subscription 2. ???? 3. The country is saved! Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2012 01:06 PM (SY2Kh)

There's a reason why he's eponymous.

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (sbV1u)

211 I think we should push revenue increases.

New mandatory taxes on condoms, birth control pills, welfare payments, food stamps and Medicaid. No exceptions.

Posted by: marcus at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (GGCsk)

212
I no longer care about the welfare of most Americans,letthe economy collapseand i will find a small sense of satisfaction in their suffering

Posted by: kj at November 26, 2012 01:10 PM (fAXyw)

213 Symp, sorry if you are not a troll. I just am unable to understand your comments. What exactly is your point? Do nothing? Or do something? And if so, what?

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 01:10 PM (UhXzR)

214 De Tocqueville was right. "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

P.S. another good de Tocqueville quote: "Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2012 01:11 PM (Hx5uv)

215 209
my question is who has $20 to give to that girl in the first place?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (QxSug)

I use my EBT card.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 26, 2012 01:11 PM (AWmfW)

216 There are more of them than there are of us. This is an inescapable fact.

When I say "Let It Burn," don't take that to mean that I'm unwilling to do anything to stop it, because it can't be stopped.

It's GOING to burn. It's only a matter of timing. I can either expend my energy and resources trying to stave off the inevitable, or I can shore up my own position and make sure I can afford to shake a pan of Jiffy Pop over America's burning cities when the time comes.

Because Fuck Them, That's Why. And due to this core philosophy of mine, I reserve the right to occasionally attempt to thwart Democrats here and there when it pleases me to do so. But I have no illusions that it will do any good.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 26, 2012 01:11 PM (6BvQY)

217 not Truman, I'm just a shitty commenter and typist.
still i cannot abstain from typing furiously in solidarity.

shin kick.

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 01:11 PM (hX8cq)

218 >>> "No problem is ALL about any one thing. More importantly, then what? If there's no second step after than that builds further engagement with culture and country, you've done nothing but walled yourself into a cellar."

Who's talking about "walling off" anything?

NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc are not all there is. We have a thing called the Internet. Take down NBC. Make it known why and how we did it. Watch the rest of the commies start to program differently.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:12 PM (cVYiZ)

219 look, the only rich people left are asshole celebs, athletes, and obama donors who receive the $1T deficit money.

Don't care about taxes on $ that don't exist.

GOP needs to consider this a bargaining chip on other things.

too bad the tax cuts sunset so that chip is going bye bye.

fuck.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:13 PM (QxSug)

220 willow, would you like to borrow the good flamethrower? Here you go.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 26, 2012 01:13 PM (VtjlW)

221 I reserve the right to occasionally attempt to thwart Democrats here and there when it pleases me to do so. But I have no illusions that it will do any good. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 26, 2012 01:11 PM (6BvQY)

You start with guerrilla warfare, as you described.

Sort of appropriate given those were some of the first military successes of the Revolutionary War.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 26, 2012 01:14 PM (sbV1u)

222 But according to Andy its not the stupid public but stupid campaign consultants. Why can't all of you see this ?

Yall must be campaign consultants.

Posted by: polynikes at November 26, 2012 01:14 PM (m2CN7)

223 My advise to to tax the 1% of the 1% Hollywood assholes. Making several million dollars for a few weeks' work should enrage the masses.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 26, 2012 01:15 PM (Hx5uv)

224 A week ago I emailed my senator and Boehner and told them to give Obama what he wants to fix the economy. My argument was that if Republicans appear obstructionist, they will be blamed for any failures. But, if they give Obama what he wants, then Obama owns the result.

If Obama can fix the economy by increasing taxes, then he will be proven right. I don't for a minute think that, but it's the only way to demonstrate to the American people that Obama is a failure.

Posted by: Marmo at November 26, 2012 01:15 PM (pcgW1)

225
So. I see it all the time here. The electorate sucks. It's fullof takers who are basically beneath contempt. Americans are largely nitwits. Large groups of people suck and don't deserve to breathe in this great country.

Even if it's true, how is this is a good messaging strategy in a democracy? You know, thesystem where you have to get a majority to agree with you in order to have power? I thought we thought that this was a GOOD thing.

I mean, I've read the Declaration and the Constitution. They seem pretty keen on democracy, on voting, on majority rule. Apparently conservativesare only gung-ho about democracy when it's going their way.

I mean, seriously, guys. You're so pissed off because you lost, you can only conclude that it's the OTHER PEOPLE who are broken, so it's not your fault. Heaven forbid that it's a problem withYOUR ability to reach people and persuade them. Oddly, most people don't respond well to someone screaming at them about how much they suck! Imagine, whoda thunk, etc.

Good luck with that message, guys.

Posted by: d at November 26, 2012 01:15 PM (n0Yvg)

226 No fucking private company. The NY Slime had a
"heart breaking" story of a girl the borrowed $85,000 to get a degree in
Music. Now she is so upset that she doesn't know how she is going to
pay the money back. Tough shit, idiot.



Gee, I've paid more than $85k in taxes so far this year for -- basically, nothing. And I don't see any gub'mint debt forgiveness in my future. I don't even bother to ask.

I wonder if the New York Times would be interested in my story about how my hard-earned money is being removed from my bank account so that fat stupid broads can get worthless degrees in Music.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2012 01:16 PM (QKKT0)

227 willow, would you like to borrow the good flamethrower? Here you go.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 26, 2012 01:13 PM (VtjlW)

thank you dear, , fkn men and their tin ear.

would be silly to piss me off any more than i already am.'you won't like me when i'm srsly angry'
kidding, but growl.

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 01:16 PM (hX8cq)

228 >>> "Symp, sorry if you are not a troll. I just am unable to understand your comments. What exactly is your point? Do nothing? Or do something? And if so, what?"

I'm suggesting we stop paying into the media corporations that are actively undermining our (and America's) cause.

If we could get someone like Rush or Palin to organize 10s of millions of Conservatives to just not watch NBC (for example) ever again - that would send shock waves through the media culture.

I don't think they could stay afloat without us. That would send massive shock waves into the old-world media. And if it didn't do enough, we try CBS next...

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:16 PM (cVYiZ)

229 i want cake.

%^$* $#

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 01:18 PM (hX8cq)

230 Nobody watches NBC now. The checks from ADM keep on coming.

Posted by: Butters at November 26, 2012 01:18 PM (NIZHJ)

231 Posted by: d at November 26, 2012 01:15 PM (n0Yvg)

And there you go. A perfect example of ignoranceandcognitive dissonance. He knowssquat about the Constitution or Declaration of Indpedence much less the Federalist papers.

Posted by: polynikes at November 26, 2012 01:19 PM (m2CN7)

232 said "shock waves" too many times - but hopefully you get the point..

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:19 PM (cVYiZ)

233 new post

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 01:19 PM (hX8cq)

234 Mark Steyn is nuking sympleton's magical thinking right now on the radio, by the way.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 26, 2012 01:19 PM (B/VB5)

235 >>>"Nobody watches NBC now. The checks from ADM keep on coming."

http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/top10s/television.html

NBC Sunday Night Football - had 21,000,000 viewers this weekend.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:21 PM (cVYiZ)

236
Can anyone disagree with any of these results comingout of this:
1. Spending will go up; not down.
2. Taxes will go up; not down.
3. The debt ceiling will be raised; not held.
4. The Republicans will look like idiots.
5. The media will breathe a huge sigh of relief anddeclare that Obama saved the economy.
6. In the months to come, unemployment will remain the same or go up and the economy will not change.
7. We will be at this point again within the next 18 months.

There is no 'fiscal cliff'. We heard the same line of baloney in 2008 with TARP and the auto industry bailout.Let the US Gov't default, let the markets get corrected, let the spending - even defense - get cut. Shovel this right back in front of Obama and let him own it.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 26, 2012 01:23 PM (EGPJQ)

237
Symp, more people know who Honeybooboo is then Joe Biden. You are making a failed argument because you assume that demand is a function of supply. It is not. The Media exists as it does because there exist customers for it. Those customers watching honeybooboo will continue regardless of a boycott.

Plain and symple for you: Boycotts seldom work and the Media is not the problem. The problem is that the majority of the electorate has never had to deal with consequences.

Let it be time for the children to fully understand what they have wrought.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 01:26 PM (UhXzR)

238
Who's talking about "walling off" anything?

NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc are not all there is. We have a thing called the Internet. Take down NBC. Make it known why and how we did it. Watch the rest of the commies start to program differently.
____________________________

You'll never "take it down." It provides circuses to the masses, and the gubmint provides the bread. Plenty of people quite like the circuses.
The only solution is to make our own "long march through the institutions." By this I mean getting sleepers into the institutions (like NBC) until they're indispensible and untouchable, at which point they can exert the kind of control that is needed to turn the institutions back to what they ought to be.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 26, 2012 01:27 PM (Nfpnr)

239 As long as President Barack "It's not my Fault" Obama has someone to scape-goat, it's all good!

Posted by: Deafdog at November 26, 2012 01:28 PM (YUwuZ)

240 >>> "the Media is not the problem"

Are you trying to tell me that if the media treated this election fairly and actually covered the facts of our horrible economy, Fast and furious, Benghazi and too many other scandals to enumerate, that we wouldn't have won?

Of course we would have. And then all this gnashing of teeth wouldn't be happening.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:30 PM (cVYiZ)

241 Wow. I'm really starting to get concerned now. You people don't even know what just happened in this election.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:32 PM (cVYiZ)

242 And there you go. A perfect example of ignoranceandcognitive dissonance. He knowssquat about the Constitution or Declaration of Indpedence much less the Federalist papers.
Posted by: polynikes at November 26, 2012 01:19 PM (m2CN7)


Anyone who can post "conservatives are only gung-ho about democracy when it goes their way" as a contribution to a debate isn't even intelligent enough to be fucking the chicken.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 26, 2012 01:32 PM (zF6Iw)

243 >>> "You'll never "take it down.""

Why the hell not?!
With the advent of the Internet, the media conglomerates are ripe for the killing. It just takes a little will and a nationally known figure to organize it.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:33 PM (cVYiZ)

244 ::::I mean, seriously, guys. You're so pissed off because you lost, you can only conclude that it's the OTHER PEOPLE who are broken, so it's not your fault. Heaven forbid that it's a problem withYOUR ability to reach people and persuade them. Oddly, most people don't respond well to someone screaming at them about how much they suck! Imagine, whoda thunk, etc.::::

Pay attention, douche. The other guys are not "broken." They are ascendant. They are actively pursuing their goals which are in direct opposition to mine.

Who says they can be reached or want to be persuaded? Free Shitters don't respond to messages of personal responsibility, hard work, risk and sacrifice.

They respond to Free Shit.

So our alternative is to give them MORE free shit than the Other Guys. The problem with that is that IT MAKES US THE OTHER GUYS.

Fuck, you're dense.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 26, 2012 01:34 PM (6BvQY)

245
Symp, the media is not the problem, it is the symptom, or just a reflection of the world that views it. Art imitates life, not visa versa.

But let's go with your assumption. It is the corrupt media's fault. And the elctorate is so stupid it didn't see things for what they are. So the elctorate is still stupid isn't it. Stupid people need to get their hands burned when they touch a hot pot. Learning through consequences. Suddenly, stupid people will stop touching hot pots.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 01:39 PM (UhXzR)

246 @244:"Free Shitters don't respond to messages of personal responsibility, hard work, risk and sacrifice."
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 26, 2012 01:34 PM (6BvQY)

--

Just a point of order: It's important to recognize that a significant number of "Free Shitters" are actually covert. In other words, they don't believe they're "free shitters" because, hey, they want to work and they do work, hard, and they do sacrifice and they do take personal responsibility. So it's not exactly the values-identification that's the problem.

Rather, it's the expectation that's the problem. Look at the teacher's unions going on strike. It's clear that many, if not most, of those teachers do work hard, sacrifice, etc. But the problem is that they're demanding a level of compensation for that work that far exceeds its value to those who are able to pay and/or the ability to pay of those for whom it has that value. So it's not so much that they want "free shit" per se, but rather that they want other people to be forced into purchasing their services at a higher price than they would be normally willing to pay, so that they can support the lifestyle they want while enjoying the self___ of someone who works hard at a job.

That's an important distinction to be made in terms of diagnosing the problem and addressing it in an effective rhetorical manner. You can't and SHOULDN'T blame people who want to work and do work hard for "not working and wanting free shit". You CAN blame them for being economically illiterate and coercive statists who want to force people to pay higher prices for things they normally wouldn't buy at those prices (cf. school choice, Obamacare mandate, etc.)

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 26, 2012 01:50 PM (wDG5U)

247
Bolstering the Democrats’ strategy is the belief that the “fiscal cliff” is actually shaped more like a “slope” where the economic effects will be felt gradually, not immediately.

It will show up in the stock market as investors take the capital gains hit at 15%. The smart ones will sell in chucks, between now and the end of the year.

It will also show up in the new year as unemployment unexpectedly rises.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 26, 2012 01:51 PM (1hM1d)

248
Suddenly, stupid people will stop touching hot pots.

One would think. Don't worry: the trial lawyers will be along momentarily to file a class action lawsuit against pot makers for not putting enough warning labels on their defective and dangerous products.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 26, 2012 01:53 PM (1hM1d)

249 >>> "Stupid people need to get their hands burned when they touch a hot pot. Learning through consequences. Suddenly, stupid people will stop touching hot pots."

After the media finishes with those stupid people who touched the "hot pot", "hot pot" will equal "Republican".

Let it burn solves nothing.

Posted by: sympleton at November 26, 2012 01:53 PM (cVYiZ)

250 Symp, the media is not the problem, it is the symptom, or just a reflection of the world that views it.
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Yes, the RCM is just giving the people the narrative they want to hear. Let's face it, we're surrounded by a nation of babies who are validated by how many likes they have on FB and whetherBeyonce might think they're kewl.

American society has been infantilized. Take a look around - you'll see it everywhere.

Posted by: kallisto at November 26, 2012 02:09 PM (jm/9g)

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 26, 2012 02:11 PM (g7XWC)

252
Let it burn solves nothing.


It delivers lessons that last a lifetime. It discards the unworkable and gives a fresh start.

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 26, 2012 02:13 PM (g7XWC)

253 It just takes a little will and a nationally known figure to organize it.

When the power plants go off line during the collapse, the media is out of business.

Posted by: Winston Smith (Islam edition) at November 26, 2012 02:17 PM (g7XWC)

254 Stalin doesn't know, they said as they marched out to work.

Posted by: deepred at November 26, 2012 02:19 PM (YmACv)

255 I'm going to start a new line of reasoning when people start bitching about the economy. The line in Michigan is "blame Bush."

Actually, Bin Laden targeted the World Trade Center to collapse our economy. He's done a good job.

It's not Bush's fault. It's not Obama's fault. [yeah, I really don't believe the latter, this is just for arguments sake]. It's Bin Ladens fault.

We are still dealing with that, and by the way, why hasn't Obama ended those wars that are draining the U.S. economy???

/what do you guys think? Is this a valid line to liberals?

Posted by: shibumi at November 26, 2012 02:21 PM (z63Tr)

256 What does a poll of 9% of a population actually tell anyone? Remember, there was the information that only 9 out of 100 people that pollsters tried to contact actually answered the polls and provided data. I wonder what the other 91% of people actually think? Does anyone know if there is a way to match poll data with actual real-life data?

Posted by: Watcher at November 26, 2012 02:23 PM (6bHY3)

257 Pyriscence! Not just for coniferous forests.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 02:24 PM (UhXzR)

258 Thanks, 251, for closing my tag!

Posted by: kallisto at November 26, 2012 02:40 PM (jm/9g)

259 BTW the demographics of the sample are D/R/I - 32/24/44...

Posted by: Watcher at November 26, 2012 02:44 PM (6bHY3)

260 Stop pretending deep spending cuts are somehow dangerous or harmful. Leave that claptrap for the liberals. Fiscal conservatives everywhere should be happy about the prospect of curbing spending as well as generating more revenue. The GOP should *embrace* spending cuts. Cut it all. Cut everything. Then do it again. Take us right over the fiscal cliff and let's take the first bite out of these trillion-dollar deficits we've been running.

Posted by: Jordan at November 26, 2012 03:02 PM (jRfn3)

261 No matter what awful things may happen to this country, you can be sure the MSM will wring their hands about how much it hurts Republicans and some poll to show how the best move for Republicans would be to do exactly what Democrats tell them.

Republicans need to give America what it voted for, good and hard. Let every American that pays taxes get a good tax hike and let the spending cuts occur.

Don't let this teachable moment pass.


Posted by: McAdams at November 26, 2012 03:08 PM (1sN+R)

262 Give the Democrats everything they want, the full fucking load.

Posted by: Kansas at November 26, 2012 04:25 PM (mka2b)

263 Maybe if they blame us, they will throw us out... all you bad Red States will have to go now

Posted by: Rob in Katy at November 26, 2012 04:59 PM (gdGJ1)

264 The American people want their socialism, so give it to them - good and hard. Argue against tax measures in both houses, but when the vote comes up explain that elections have consequences and vote "present". The Dems get their massive tax hikes and Defense cuts, but the Repubs don't vote for them.

Let's see the pollsters rationalize the Republican's blame in that case.

Posted by: JeffP at November 26, 2012 07:11 PM (floUD)

265 I'm sure someone has mentioned this, but we will get blamed no matter what happens. Fuck 'em. Let her rip.

Posted by: fused at November 26, 2012 07:34 PM (PnNAy)

266 6 Only 45%? Go for it. Put in some poison pills and hammer that the Democrats aren't caving only because they want to protect their rich buddies.
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Repeal the Hollwood tax cuts.

And trust all taxation content from Instapundit.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 26, 2012 08:15 PM (+U/JV)

267 Seriously, this is easy. And everyone who reads Instapundit reads correct suggestions on what to do most days of the week.

It's just that the ruling elite of the Republican Party doesn't want to do the right thing.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 26, 2012 08:17 PM (+U/JV)

268 7 But the real question is... as this is NOT a spending Bill... it is NOT the defense approprations act.... and it puts restrictions on a (what was then) FUTURE Congress.... is it even Legal?
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Just ask me.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at November 26, 2012 08:20 PM (+U/JV)

269 No budget for how many years?

Let it burn.

MSM telling we're going to get blamed anyway?

Let it burn.

Dems saying they have no problem letting it happen?

Let it burn.

Posted by: tween-a-rock-and-a-hard-place at November 26, 2012 11:10 PM (/+5Rh)






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