The Daily Caller Misses the Boat On Orca

Over the holiday weekend, the Daily Caller published a piece on Team Romney's failed Project Orca that can only be described as odd. Well, it can also be described as "late", "incorrect" and "pointless", or, as the cobs refer to it, #DCBreaking (where DC stands for Daily Caller).

Since the piece was also typical of the DC's practice of chumming for hits by being ridiculous, I won't link it, but you'd need a bigger boat (SWIDT) to fit all the errors and strawmen in.

The central point of the piece appears to be that the failure of Project Orca has been seized upon as the reason Romney lost the election. But has anyone really made this claim? The piece was devoid of any links, and we certainly didn't make it here.

So, the end result was that 30,000+ of the most active and fired-up volunteers were wandering around confused and frustrated when they could have been doing anything else to help. Like driving people to the polls, phone-banking, walking door-to-door, etc. We lost by fairly small margins in Florida, Virginia, Ohio and Colorado. If this had worked could it have closed the gap? I sure hope not for my sanity's sake.

The bitter irony of this entire endeavor was that a supposedly small government candidate gutted the local structure of GOTV efforts in favor of a centralized, faceless organization in a far off place (in this case, their Boston headquarters). Wrap your head around that.

We focused from the very beginning on Project Orca itself being a waste of financial and human resources as well as a nonsensical centralization of a task that had been done successfully for decades at the local level.

Put more simply: if Orca was mission critical, it should've been done right, and if it wasn't mission critical, it shouldn't have been done at all. I'm in the latter camp.

But the Orca debacle was also emblematic of a campaign that had serious problems that went beyond the candidate. The root cause was pretty well identified in the Pat F'n Caddell piece RD put in the sidebar this weekend.

“No presidential campaign should be run by consultants,” Caddell said. “They should be run by people who are committed to the candidate and not into making big money.”

See also: Newt (from 2007).

I think Republican consultants are mostly very stupid. I think they have no education. I think they have no sense of history. ... If I throw away African Americans, and then I throw away Latinos, and then I throw away suburban women, and then I throw away people under 40, and then I throw away everything north of Philadelphia -- there's a morning where Republicans can't get to a majority.

Spot on.

We've reached the point where campaign consultants have placed themselves so at odds with the goal of actually winning elections that losing has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. There's no better example of the consultant mindset, IMO, than this statement from Team Orca:

The disturbing pivot on the call was when it was turned over to Rick Beeson, political director, and Zach Moffatt, the campaign's digital director [sic]. They were totally unlike the assessment given by Rhodes and Newhouse. It was at this point the call turned into a furious spin-cycle. We were assaulted with a litany of "metrics":

  • we knocked on 14 million doors

  • we had over 40 million voter contacts

  • we hit all our targets

  • we had X amount more contacts than 2008

  • we had Y amount more contacts than 2004

  • Obama had 6 years to run, we only had 6 months

  • we had to hire over 100 staffers in only 60 days

  • the staff we had is now available to run campaign across the country

  • ORCA had problems, but we now know the exact time people voted, that can be used for future campaigns (emphasis added)

Got that? We lost the big game but our quarterback threw for 300 yards and we converted 85% of our 3rd downs. Who. The hell. Cares? (Bonus video commentary below the fold)

But the boldfaced points are the kicker. We can use the staff and data for future campaigns? What are we running here, a jobs training program? An IT consulting firm?

I want people working for our nominee who treat the race like it's the last campaign ever and the future of the Republic is at stake. People who focus on building their little empires for future campaigns clearly have incentives that are misaligned with the task at hand.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have built a huge technological advantage that, at the very least, will allow them to make more efficient use future campaign contributions. And we have ... Beeson, Moffatt and Orca. That's just swell.

Patrick Ruffini had some good ideas on how to address these problems in a piece at The Atlantic that was followed up on the Coffee and Markets podcast.

The 2012 election should be a wake-up call for those who raise and spend money for the Republican Party.

All too often, how we run campaigns has been untethered from scientific rigor, and without any real-time certainty whether something is working or not. Aggressiveness is praised, and hard-hitting TV ads have come to be seen as the sine qua non of an aggressive campaign. Thanks to this worldview, billions were poured into presidential and down-ballot television advertisements out of a conviction that these ads would move numbers.

Ruffini makes the point in the podcast that the GOP data operation needed to make us competitive in 2016 should be built outside of any campaign and outside of the RNC. Thanks to Team Orca, whoever takes on this monumental task has a bigger hill to climb, but they'd better get on it.

Democrats push to redeploy Obama’s voter database

Democratic super PACs get jump on 2014, 2016

Posted by: Andy at 11:38 AM



Comments

1 First? Srsly? Where are the morons?

Posted by: someone out there at November 26, 2012 11:41 AM (3R0Zs)

2 Consultants? Hooray!!! I should try my hand at this and then retire rich.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 26, 2012 11:45 AM (pLTLS)

3

oh fuck ORCA already

crappin the bag is for losers. move on.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 11:45 AM (ETO1s)

4 The problem with Caddell is that he's always right. Just ask him. He would have done it much better. Don't ask him beforehand how he would do it, he's much better at the aftermath.

He also loves disasters because he loves to say "I told you so."

Look, if he's so freakin' brilliant, he could have pulled Jimmy Carter over the line. Granted, it would have helped if Jimmy Carter were black, but inept corruptness was rewarded in 1936, 1940 and 2012.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 11:45 AM (T0NGe)

5 I'm glad to have been a tiny, tiny part of this ORCA clusterfuck. It cured me of many of my last vestiges of Republicanism.

The whole centralized small Government/de-centralized big Government irony is too overpowering. It reminds me of family values candidates getting caught with same-sex non-spouses. Where did the 'practice what they preach' folks wander off to again?

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 11:46 AM (hNXHo)

6 We're all busy looking for sharp objects with which to slit our wrists.

Obama is a SCOAMF, but his organization stayed local, and it showed.

In retrospect, I never got a phone call from someone local...it was just call after call after call from the RNC and the Romney campaign asking for more money.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sdildo at November 26, 2012 11:46 AM (GsoHv)

7 I hope that is not an appeal to "broaden our base" by watering down out principles. Lets face it, we are never going to get the black vote, even if we ran a black Republican. Look at what happened to Condi Rice. Pretty much the same goes for Hispanics. As the number of old Cubans decreases so does the vote for Republicans.


We can not fight free shit that these two constituencies want. They will always go to the Dems. So what do we do? We say here is our plank, and we invite all who like that plank to join us.


As for ORCA, we need to forget gimmicks. And don't forget, Pat Fkn Cadell is a Democrat.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 11:47 AM (YdQQY)

8 As much as we can talk about GOTV failures, the real problem is this:

Despite a double digit unemployment rate being cloaked by bullshit numbers, despite an almost nonexistent GDP, despite turmoil in the Middle East, despite the rising cost of commodities due to QE-infinity, Obama still got 62 MILLION VOTES.

The country is finished. Secession, then let it burn, or let it burn, then secession, whichever comes first.

I've arrived at that place where I can no longer abide co-existing with blue stater fuckholes.

Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 11:47 AM (+AV7H)

9
Pump it out Chief!

Posted by: Quint at November 26, 2012 11:47 AM (UhXzR)

10 Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 11:45 AM (ETO1s)

But....we need to learn from our mistakes. If ORCA really was the catastrophe that it seems to be, then we need to agitate for a different, robust system. If that means returning to a grassroots GOTV, which Andy is suggesting and I agree with, then let's do it NOW.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sdildo at November 26, 2012 11:49 AM (GsoHv)

11



the vacillation between the Orca recriminations, the nailbiting over 2016, and Let it Burn is fascinating.

it's a sign of a powerless and rudderless people

meanwhile, 2014 is there for the taking

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 11:49 AM (ETO1s)

12 Maybe the problem - and I'm just spitballing here - is that the GOP is as corrupted by the Progressive State as everything else. And maybe, just maybe, people stayed home because they know this, as it is evident.

It seems to me that we lost despite TFG being a massive failure. The guy lost close to 20% of his 2008 vote and he still won. That tells me the problem is not whatever get out the vote program the GOP is using. It tells me that the problem is that the Disaffected non-Vote is growing.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 26, 2012 11:49 AM (J4gw3)

13 BTW, what's happening with Spain and Catalonia is a good prelude to what will happen here. Eventually we'll hit critical mass and one of the red states here is going to go, "Fuck this shit, we are not going to pay for Washington's mistakes."

Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 11:50 AM (+AV7H)

14 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 11:50 AM (5DR1j)

15 Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 11:45 AM (T0NGe)

Fucking lawyers.....

[no, that has nothing to do with anything, but it's fun to say]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sdildo at November 26, 2012 11:51 AM (GsoHv)

16 Are you telling us that we should start a new political party, or should we say f*ck it and realize that as conservatives we are to be perpetually boned by the Barbed Cock of Satan?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 26, 2012 11:51 AM (kqqGm)

17 Responsibility? How the fuck does it work?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 11:51 AM (da5Wo)

18 Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

Posted by: Quint at November 26, 2012 11:51 AM (UhXzR)

19

the only lesson we need to learn is that too many people are indifferent and comfortable with Obama's lousy record

that's what needs to be changed, everything else is secondary

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 11:52 AM (ETO1s)

20 13 BTW, what's happening with Spain and Catalonia is a good prelude to what will happen here. Eventually we'll hit critical mass and one of the red states here is going to go, "Fuck this shit, we are not going to pay for Washington's mistakes."
The straw that will break that camel's back is called either "Illinois Bailout", or "California Bailout". That being encapsulated into legislation is the Rubicon that shall soon be crossed.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 11:52 AM (hNXHo)

21 How about Shamu is he ok?

Posted by: Ahab at November 26, 2012 11:52 AM (Kflw4)

22 I'm through with the Daily Caller. Had enough of Fucker Carlson's ZOMG earth-shattering video that is going to rock your face off!!! non-events.

He's like Glenn Beck without all the success. One fatback, greasytits McCain daughter away from being the Daily Beast.

Oh, and as for your proclamation that Old Media was dead, done for, over? Dead wrong. As usual. FOAD, you poncy, ineffectual, snooty little blue blood touch-hole.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 26, 2012 11:53 AM (6BvQY)

23 The country is finished. Secession, then let it burn, or let it burn, then secession, whichever comes first.

I've arrived at that place where I can no longer abide co-existing with blue stater fuckholes.


Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 11:47 AM (+AV7H)

Then why are you here?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 26, 2012 11:53 AM (UypUQ)

24 the only lesson we need to learn is that too many people are indifferent and comfortable with Obama's lousy record that's what needs to be changed,

SOON

Posted by: Math at November 26, 2012 11:54 AM (NF2Bf)

25 Yeah, that's real fine expensive gear you brought out here

Posted by: Quint at November 26, 2012 11:54 AM (UhXzR)

26 I've arrived at that place where I can no longer abide co-existing with blue stater fuckholes.

Texas has room.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 11:54 AM (5DR1j)

27
The problem with Caddell is that he's always right. Just ask him. He
would have done it much better. Don't ask him beforehand how he would do
it, he's much better at the aftermath.


Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2012 11:45 AM (T0NGe)

FIGJAM


touch-hole.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 26, 2012 11:53 AM (6BvQY)

Dammit. I got break Rule #1. What is a "touch-hole"?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 11:54 AM (da5Wo)

28 >> That tells me the problem is not whatever get out the vote program the GOP is using. It tells me that the problem is that the Disaffected non-Vote is growing.

The best GOTV program is an inspiring candidate who believes in conservative principles and can express them clearly. Without tripping over his dick into comments about "legitimate rape" and whatnot. I wish we had one of those.

But the Dems' data mining lead to reach the non-traditional voter is real and is growing.

And the GOP is absolutely fucking clueless over what to do about it (hence the Hispandering, caving on tax increases, etc.).

Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 11:54 AM (C/NnJ)

29 @8 Come join us in a red state your mighty jugs are always welcome.

Posted by: lover of fabulous funbags at November 26, 2012 11:55 AM (Kflw4)

30 I'm a .NET software developer; I've been looking to volunteer my efforts for such a project. Any ideas who I should contact?

Posted by: T at November 26, 2012 11:55 AM (ZF2ls)

31
We needed to advertise on xbox and scare 18 year olds that Obama was going to take their xbox away.

Posted by: Fresh at November 26, 2012 11:55 AM (O7ksG)

32 Here's a metric: 60 million voted for a SCOAMF.

We ran the best opponent for this point in time and still lost. Jeffrey Dahmer should have been able to beat the JEF.

It's the country, stupid (party).

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 26, 2012 11:55 AM (zpqa2)

33 Stop playin' with yourself, Hooper.

Posted by: Quint at November 26, 2012 11:55 AM (UhXzR)

34 I think the GOP's plan for victory is to give John Boehner a can of salsa.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 26, 2012 11:55 AM (pmDdf)

35 make it stop! Romney lost already. Agreed- ORCA was a clusterfuck. We get it.

Best keep our eyes fixed on our duty- a bloody Stalinist purge of the GOP. I want heads, on pikes, as a warning to the others.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 11:56 AM (8sCoq)

36 Well it proves one thing, Mr. Hooper. It proves that you wealthy college boys don't have the education enough to admit when you're wrong.

Posted by: Quint at November 26, 2012 11:57 AM (UhXzR)

37 I thought I read that Romney's operation was hacked election day from anonymous...

Anyway.. only reason Romney didnt win is conservatives didnt show up enough to overcome the margin of fraud.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 11:57 AM (DGIjM)

38 Best keep our eyes fixed on our duty- a bloody Stalinist purge of the GOP. I want heads, on pikes, as a warning to the others.


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 11:56 AM (8sCoq)


*looks around confused*

I thought we were mounting them over doors?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 11:57 AM (da5Wo)

39 28 The best GOTV program is an inspiring candidate

I haven't been inspired to vote *for* someone for President since Bush 41 in 1988 and 1992. Even then, I was probably still excited for Reagan...and there was that whole "first time" thingy too in 1988.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 11:58 AM (hNXHo)

40 And just how would the almighty Newt get African Americans and Latinos? I would imagine he would pander to the grievance mentality and dish up some new handouts.

We are not "throwing away" voters by refusing to engage in identity politics. Conservatism is a benefit to EVERYBODY. We are seeing this pandering mentality play out right now. Tax increases and amnesty coming right up! It won't win us votes and will only further depress the base. Fuck Gingrich AND the pundits AND the consultants. Fuck the fucking party period.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 26, 2012 11:58 AM (x0g8a)

41 "California Bailout". That being encapsulated into legislation is the Rubicon that shall soon be crossed.
**************************************

Yep, what I don't understand are people who think secession is a fanciful or silly possibility. It's not a possibility, it's fucking IMMINENT. The only question is whether we can manage a peaceful orderly secession, or whether it will be a violent, chaotic one.

Red states should open their eyes and see the writing on the wall and start moving to wean themselves off the federal dole and create self sufficient economies. That way if secession happens, they're ready, and if it doesn't happen, they are still now stronger and more independent, giving them more influence over Washington's fuckheaded antics. Win win.

Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 11:58 AM (+AV7H)

42 37
I thought I read that Romney's operation was hacked election day from anonymous...



Anyway.. only reason Romney didnt win is conservatives didnt show up enough to overcome the margin of fraud.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 11:57 AM (DGIjM)

Just another possible data point to say that centralization is a bad idea mmmmkaaaay? Especially with no fail-safes.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 11:58 AM (xAtAj)

43 If you don't like the way Republicans ran a Republican campaign (profit profit PROFIT!) then why do you want Republicans to run your government?

Cognitive dissonance, ahoy!


Glad to see you guys warming up to being Stalinists, tho.

Posted by: palooka at November 26, 2012 11:59 AM (vaYHl)

44 I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy.

Posted by: Quint at November 26, 2012 11:59 AM (UhXzR)

45 Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain.

Posted by: Fritz at November 26, 2012 11:59 AM (/ZZCn)

46 Fucking lawyers.....

[no, that has nothing to do with anything, but it's fun to say]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sdildo at November 26, 2012 11:51 AM (GsoHv)


Fucking no-account, dick-licking, asswipe, corn-holing, doucherocket, scum-sucking, lawyer bastards.

Ahhhh......you're right. I feel much better.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 26, 2012 11:59 AM (ExMJd)

47 And for the life of me I don't know why playing for minorities is such a bad idea.

We are demographically doomed if we don't.

Playing for != handouts.

Doesn't even have to mean pandering.

I mean if it doesn't work, too bad. But we have to try.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 11:59 AM (xAtAj)

48

SOON

Exactly.

It will be a few months to a year too late, but the failure of Obama's stupid policies will be felt by the majority and comfortable and indifferent the majority will be no longer.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 11:59 AM (ETO1s)

49 the only lesson we need to learn is that too many people are
indifferent and comfortable with Obama's lousy record that's what needs
to be changed,


Have you noticed that when the Liberals dislike something, it's "The End of the World!" but when Conservatives dislike something, it's "making a mountain out of a mole-hill?"

Remember how the Y2K problem (I won't even call it a bug. Design that is not forward thinking enough is not "a bug.") required people to do ridiculous things like certify their parking lots were "Y2K compliant?"

I think it's time Republicans start playing the same game. When we don't like something, it has to be the end of the world. We can't simply say "Social Security is unsustainable," it has to become "The Social Security hole is going to impoverish the nation!" And anyone who pooh-pooh's that needs to become a "denier!"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:00 PM (5DR1j)

50
If you don't like the way Republicans ran a Republican campaign (profit
profit PROFIT!) then why do you want Republicans to run your government?



Cognitive dissonance, ahoy!





Glad to see you guys warming up to being Stalinists, tho.

Posted by: palooka at November 26, 2012 11:59 AM (vaYHl)

Yep because campaigning is just like governing... that's why Obama is just doing a bang up... uhhhh... crap.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 12:01 PM (xAtAj)

51 And just how would the almighty Newt get African Americans and Latinos? I
would imagine he would pander to the grievance mentality and dish up
some new handouts.


First Class accommodations on Moon Base Newtopolis.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2012 12:01 PM (SY2Kh)

52 Lesson number five fucking million on why donating to a presidential campaign is for suckers. The only thing stupider is giving that fat retard Karl Rove your money.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 26, 2012 12:01 PM (+lsX1)

53 Interesting Bill Whittle. Note about 7 minutes in is his response to Benghazi. About made me cry, thinking about the ball less SOB JEF we have for a president.

http://tinyurl.com/bqxleba

Posted by: Bruce at November 26, 2012 12:01 PM (qB0/v)

54 You have city hands, Mr. [Romney]. You been countin' money all your life.

Posted by: Quint at November 26, 2012 12:01 PM (UhXzR)

55 First Class accommodations on Moon Base Newtopolis.



Still a better, more achievable idea than QE.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 12:02 PM (da5Wo)

56 And if playing for minorities won't work without selling out, you might as well be building your bunker now.

I guess that does explain half the HQ's feelings right now.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 26, 2012 12:02 PM (xAtAj)

57 Dammit. I got break Rule #1. What is a "touch-hole"?

Isn't that the hole on a match-lock rifle (or old-timey cannon) where you "touched" the match to make it go boom?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:02 PM (5DR1j)

58 >And anyone who pooh-pooh's that needs to become a "denier!"
\


in a way, I consider Obama voters to be 'deniers' of reality

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:02 PM (8sCoq)

59 Another thing 2012 showed is the impact of voter fraud or maybe it's cool that a few inner city districts can turn a swing state solid blue.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:02 PM (QxSug)

60 43 If you don't like the way Republicans ran a Republican campaign (profit profit PROFIT!) then why do you want Republicans to run your government?

Cognitive dissonance, ahoy!

Glad to see you guys warming up to being Stalinists, tho.
Posted by: palooka at November 26, 2012 11:59 AM (vaYHl)


Yes, the alternative is soooo wonderful. Why didn't we see this sooner?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 26, 2012 12:02 PM (ExMJd)

61 Why can't the Republican House just go pass a goddamned real immigration reform bill on their own? They can pass budgets. They can repeal shit. They can read the Constitution.

Why the fuck can't they wrap up the good parts of the Dream Act, come up with a guest worker program that includes no amnesty other than through the whole 4-years-of-Federal-Service new Dream Act, and be hailed as the ones who made it happen?

Seriously? Why don't I ever get an answer here?

Fuck Pandering, that's winning of hearts and minds shit, there.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 12:03 PM (hNXHo)

62 I think it was Reagan who discussed the folly of trying to start a third party instead of changing the party you already have. Can't remember the exact quote though.

Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 12:03 PM (+AV7H)

63 Also, due to holiday food, it is estimated that Christina Hendricks' bustline gained nearly an inch since last Thursday.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:03 PM (8sCoq)

64 We lost because:

1. The commies start with automatic NY and CA
2. The commies start with 95% of the black vote. With a black candidate they had heavy turnout.
3. The commies start with 70% (and growing) of the Hispanic vote


Given the above we have to have a massive turnout to offset that. We had a good turnout, but not massive.


We are going to have to change the primary system so that conservative candidates have a better chance early in the election. If we do that maybe some good ones will run.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:03 PM (YdQQY)

65 >>>then why do you want Republicans to run your government?

Because the alternative is Democrats.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 26, 2012 12:04 PM (9Uq0z)

66 Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain. For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston. And so nevermore shall we see you again.

Posted by: Quint at November 26, 2012 12:04 PM (UhXzR)

67 we're going to see the same thing in 2014. We need to be prepared. Like at least know which voter districts we need to be ready to watch.

I also like copying the the DNC's low impact, low cost ad strategy. Get on the WB at midnight with subtle GOP ads (like a quick word from adam carolla or any other cool con star) and blast the internet with ads like obama did.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:04 PM (QxSug)

68 Why can't the Republican House just go pass a goddamned real immigration
reform bill on their own? They can pass budgets. They can repeal
shit. They can read the Constitution.


They can, and they have. Repeatedly. It never goes anywhere, and unless you're looking really closely at the House Schedule, you'd never know it, because it never gets reported.

When it does, it's reported as "Republican Obstructionism" or some-such.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:04 PM (5DR1j)

69 Republicans do not need to pass any portion of the so-called DREAM act.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:04 PM (YdQQY)

70 59 Another thing 2012 showed is the impact of voter fraud or maybe it's cool that a few inner city districts can turn a swing state solid blue.
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:02 PM (QxSug)


Exactly.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 12:04 PM (DGIjM)

71 sock off

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:05 PM (UhXzR)

72 52 Lesson number five fucking million on why donating to a presidential campaign is for suckers. The only thing stupider is giving that fat retard Karl Rove your money.

I personally believe *so strongly* in publicly financed election campaigns, that I'd be hypocritical if I gave any of them $0.10 (so I again this year did not). I did give as much of my time as I could, including taking a full unpaid day off work at one point to support R&R12.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 12:05 PM (hNXHo)

73 I am sure there were strategic mistakes. I think that Romney losing a million votes to the libertarian joke candidate didn't help.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:06 PM (QxSug)

74 A good immigration reform would be stop all immigration until everyone already here is assimilated.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:06 PM (YdQQY)

75 57Dammit. I got break Rule #1. What is a "touch-hole"?

Isn't that the hole on a match-lock rifle (or old-timey cannon) where you "touched" the match to make it go boom?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:02 PM (5DR1j)
It is the ignition hole in the breech of pretty much every firearm prior to the percussion system - matchlock, wheellock, snaphaunce, snaplock, English lock, miquelet, and true or French flintlock. Also cannons.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 26, 2012 12:06 PM (0QGaA)

76 #61 I'm just spitballing here, but I think it has something to do with how any of those immigration reforms would destroy business profits. Instead of paying under the table you now have to pay at least minimum wage, which can literally be a business killer. First thing they'd have to do is get rid of minimum wage before meaningful immigration reform could be done.

Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 12:07 PM (+AV7H)

77

btw, Miit Romney taking a knee in the final debate, that didn't help.


Gas prices wasn't taken advantage of. Plus Mitts same old energy policy didnt help.

Obama knows how to connect with people. Mitt does not.

Our problems go far beyond friggin Orca. We had many fundamental flaws in campaign 2012.



Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:07 PM (ETO1s)

78 Republicans do not need to pass any portion of the so-called DREAM act.

I seriously do not have a problem with legal residency (and eventual citizenship) in exchange for a full term of military service. With the proviso that it can only be in a Combat PMOS (or whatever the particular service calls it).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:07 PM (5DR1j)

79 The comment about the House passing things. It's a great idea, we can present our agenda.

However, I think most americans, even FOB's from Somlia being bused straight to voting booth and then to welfare office are opposed to further immigration.

It's a winning issue. Seal the borders, stop importing 100,000 new americans a month.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:07 PM (QxSug)

80 Jamie Fox refers to Obama as 'our Lord and savior'

http://is.gd/eoEIOZ

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:07 PM (8sCoq)

81 As for ORCA, we need to forget gimmicks. And don't forget, Pat Fkn Cadell is a Democrat.
Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 11:47 AM (YdQQY)

^THIS X TEN.

Posted by: osu at November 26, 2012 12:07 PM (xR46S)

82 >It's a winning issue. Seal the borders, stop importing 100,000 new americans a month.


You mean 'democrats'

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:08 PM (8sCoq)

83 I don't know. Romney team seemed good at raising money and putting out ads quickly. The ads were not negative enough.

The ground game? No one wanted to get in the pit with the masses, except for organizing rallies with rock stars.

I maxed out and then gave to the super pac. I knew the state coordinator. I emailed four times offering my services to even, at my expense, go to Ohio.

I heard NOTHING back. I finally emailed the state coordinator at her personal email. She said go to your local Victory center.

No one had any organization for election day nationally, that I ever saw.

In other words, Bain capital consultants never got around to hiring any street workers. Why am I not surprised?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 26, 2012 12:09 PM (wR+pz)

84 I seriously do not have a problem with legal residency (and eventual
citizenship) in exchange for a full term of military service.



We already have that, and have had that for decades. Calling for that in the DREAM act is a strawman.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:09 PM (YdQQY)

85 My Lord and Savior Barack Obama got re-elected so suck it!

Posted by: Jamie Foxx at November 26, 2012 12:09 PM (wIgpo)

86 We are going to have to change the primary system so that conservative candidates have a better chance early in the election. If we do that maybe some good ones will run.
Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:03 PM (YdQQY)

Couldnt agree more. Good Lord.. why on earth do we let blue states pick our nominee?
I nominate VIC to head the RNC.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 12:09 PM (DGIjM)

87 Why can't the Republican House just go pass a goddamned real immigration
reform bill on their own? They can pass budgets. They can repeal
shit. They can read the Constitution.


Because anything they pass isn't worth the ink if it doesn't pass the Senate and White House.

With Reid refusing to allow House bills to even come up for debate, anything they do would be little more than a symbolic gesture.

And of course the Dem / Media complex will blame the situation on "Republican obstructionism".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 26, 2012 12:09 PM (SY2Kh)

88 **Obama knows how to connect with people. Mitt does not. **

Obama is boring and lazy. He lied his ass off for 4 years straight. Literally has not kept a promise and is still playing every side of the ball.

Romney's plan was to take the foot off the gas after debate number 1.

In hindsight, and lord, don't we have hindsight, this was wrong. The only fair(ish) face time Romney had with America were those debates. He needed to ram answers down baracks throat.

Including, an answer like "oh you don't like BushW? He did better than obama without spending $5T in deficits"

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (QxSug)

89 We already have that, and have had that for decades. Calling for that in the DREAM act is a strawman.

For people currently here illegally? I know that's one of the methods of getting your green-card and (supposedly) a fast-track to citizenship, but for current illegals? That I hadn't heard.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (5DR1j)

90 >Couldnt agree more. Good Lord.. why on earth do we let blue states pick our nominee?


and no more of this 'iowa caucus' shit

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (8sCoq)

91 I wonder what narwhal balls taste like. Anyone?

Posted by: Fritz at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (/ZZCn)

92 80 Jamie Fox refers to Obama as 'our Lord and savior'

http://is.gd/eoEIOZ
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:07 PM (8sCoq)


Yeah......saw that.

*Head>------------->Desk*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (ExMJd)

93
Obama knows how to con people. Mitt does not.
FIFY

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (UhXzR)

94 We shoulda spent the money on a half-hour primetime Perot-style charts 'n graphs presentation of Why We're Boned, then followed up with What a Nice Guy Romney Is. Even if it didn't work, it would have kept the money from the lawyers.

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (r5w1L)

95 If you don't like the way Republicans ran a Republican campaign (profit
profit PROFIT!) then why do you want Republicans to run your government?


1) Republicans don't run the government for profit
2) Mercenaries are always bad when fighting wars.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (pmDdf)

96 69 Republicans do not need to pass any portion of the so-called DREAM act.

You're right. Let the Democrats have all of the credit for ridiculous policies like starting the citizenship process at the end of 4 years of Federal Service (which would be my revised Dream Act) for folks who were brought here as minors.

It would be just stupid to take any credit for solving that particular problem.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 12:11 PM (hNXHo)

97 It's a winning issue. Seal the borders, stop importing 100,000 new americans a month.



Nativist NeoCon!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 12:11 PM (da5Wo)

98 fucking Iowa puts GOP candidates thru the ringer, then votes in November for the Dem who promises price supports for corn and soybeans

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:11 PM (8sCoq)

99 If you don't like the way Republicans ran a Republican campaign (profit
profit PROFIT!) then why do you want Republicans to run your government?

Cognitive dissonance, ahoy!

Glad to see you guys warming up to being Stalinists, tho.


On the contrary, the expected free market result was exactly what we got here.

There was no price to be paid for failure because the people theoretically working for the campaign were in reality feathering their own nests.

This is a failure of management that goes straight to the top.

Also, look at that list of "metrics" that Moffatt threw out. This is the reason I always make the point at work to "be careful what you measure". These guys' incentive compensation plans should have had a single metric: winning the election.

Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 12:11 PM (C/NnJ)

100 **Because anything they pass isn't worth the ink if it doesn't pass the Senate and White House.**

Look, we republicans have better ideas. We need to put pen to paper and start passing things.

Back in the day, we had counterarguments. Like Romney should've made the teachers vs student vs union thugs argument that had won us Wisconsin.

Or tort reform for lowering costs of medicine.

or whatever. like pointing out that obama is not only weak on immigration, he's hostile to any control on it.

I disagree with Annie C. on this, Romney didn't push enough policy. He rested on the economy when polls showed people think that economy wasn't as bad as we know it to be.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:12 PM (QxSug)

101

yeah Obama sucks alright
and everyone hates Obama
but we lose to him

Posted by: soothsayer at November 26, 2012 12:12 PM (ETO1s)

102 People are also forgetting something else: ORCA may have been a fuckup, but Obama had a $600 million war chest at LEAST. He outspent Romney at least 2 to 1 in the election.

Those undisclosed credit card donors to whom we will never learn the true identities bought the election for Obama.


Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 12:13 PM (+AV7H)

103 For people currently here illegally? I know that's
one of the methods of getting your green-card and (supposedly) a
fast-track to citizenship, but for current illegals? That I hadn't
heard.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:10 PM (5DR1j)

No we don't have it for illegals. It is for people who are in these 3rd world countries who want to come here. They sign up in their home country for the program. I would not be in favor of giving it to illegals. Most of the illegals can not speak English and would not be able to function in the US Military. That is aside from the fact that they would be a poor security risk. .

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:13 PM (YdQQY)

104 A whitewash and cover up from Daily Caller.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 26, 2012 12:14 PM (AWmfW)

105 Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 12:11 PM (hNXHo)


Why don't you go collect them all and personally drive them to Argentina in a bus. Let me know when you get back.

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:14 PM (YdQQY)

106 >> Our problems go far beyond friggin Orca. We had many fundamental flaws in campaign 2012.

Agreed

Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 12:14 PM (C/NnJ)

107 Look wall, another head.

Let It Burn.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 26, 2012 12:14 PM (hNXHo)

108 **97 It's a winning issue. Seal the borders, stop importing 100,000 new americans a month.



Nativist NeoCon!**

Exactly. Look, the GOP's alleged racism and general evil is baked in the cake. You may as well stop acting like you can convince people that you want to out-left the left.

Say "we're the grown ups. Here are hard choices that left doesn't want to make. And of course the left wants to import somalia and other immigrants from non-western countries, they vote for them. Is that good for America or just good for the DNC?"

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:14 PM (QxSug)

109 There was no price to be paid for failure because the people theoretically working for the campaign were in reality feathering their own nests.

This is a failure of management that goes straight to the top.


*ding ding ding*

A winnah everytime! No blanks.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 26, 2012 12:14 PM (ExMJd)

110 It was stolen. ORCA stole the money, and Obama stole the votes.

Posted by: Truman North at November 26, 2012 12:15 PM (I2LwF)

111 35
make it stop! Romney lost already. Agreed- ORCA was a clusterfuck. We get it.

Best keep our eyes fixed on our duty- a bloody Stalinist purge of the GOP. I want heads, on pikes, as a warning to the others.
------
Good luck with that. Here in TN we couldn't even successfully primary Bob Corker so we're stuck with him for 6 more years..he's Mr. "let's play financial deform with Dodd, vote yea on START in lame duck, vote yea on NDAA, support SOPA/PIPA, not give answer on LOST or UN gun control....." .

I just can't wait to see what he'll do this term. At least he won't become chair of the committee on foreign relations. He goes on fox and talks about raising taxes and refers to the "ying" and the yang....what a fucking idiot.

If we can't get rid of guys like this, WTF are we supposed to do?


Posted by: MotherGoos3 at November 26, 2012 12:15 PM (Km6fn)

112 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 26, 2012 11:53 AM (6BvQY)
Dammit. I got break Rule #1. What is a "touch-hole"?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 26, 2012 11:54 AM (da5Wo)

____

Ewe have to ask?

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 26, 2012 12:16 PM (DrC22)

113 Ace is up

Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2012 12:16 PM (YdQQY)

114 Why the hell arent the R Governors fixing the voter fraud in their states?
FL, OH.. that was nothing but FRAUD.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 26, 2012 12:17 PM (DGIjM)

115 Mark Steyn is sitting in for rush.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 26, 2012 12:17 PM (3Y7RV)

116 Ultimately, all of this was Mitt's responsibility.
Wasn't he supposed to be this organizational genius?

Posted by: RayJ at November 26, 2012 12:17 PM (pI/IV)

117
It took 4-10 decades with almost continual effort by the left to get the elctorate to this level of stupid. It'll take at least that long to swing her back to normality. But with effort it could get pushed to the right with much effort in as little as 20 years. The 60's pinkos, however, need to die first.
The effort will be monumental to get these United States back. And it will require those on the right to all push back at all levels. This is a war being fought on all sides and from within. We must gird our loins and arm to the teeth.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 26, 2012 12:18 PM (UhXzR)

118 we're talking tactics and strategy. Mitt is a winner but he lost this race. He had his strategy which in hindsight was too soft. He needed to come after obama like Biden came after Ryan (minus the heavy histrionics (biden had an answer for everything)).

Anyway, on one level, we can never get obamaphone lady to vote for us but we can use her to get people to not vote for obama.

Obama can go after the urban hip gay vote and he can go after the urban black vote, but why shouldn't he be forced to choose publicly? I have an idea that at some level those two blocs aren't on each other's side.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:18 PM (QxSug)

119 yeah, voter fraud, as I noted you have to believe that obama won michingan and wisconsin and colorado despite his stuttering clusterfuckery. that people wanted more of it.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:19 PM (QxSug)

120 the problem is, we let stupid people vote

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:19 PM (8sCoq)

121 One of our biggest problems was that the only retort to any and all issues by the GOP was "Jobs!"

We let the Democrats completely define us while we pursued an idiotic strategy that was espoused by a bald idiot.

But I think a lot of Republicans desperately wanted it to only be the economy, stupid.

Unfortunately, it isn't.

You can't have positions you apologize for or minimalize. You have to go full-bore on every issue.

And for fucks sake, you have to go negative.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 26, 2012 12:19 PM (BNuW6)

122 Ayatollah Mann will issue another fatwa against Steyn.

Posted by: Butters at November 26, 2012 12:21 PM (NIZHJ)

123 Tacking right and having a candidate espousing a conservative message is gonna look fabulous stacked up against the next Dem Santa Claus. Not.

LiB

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 26, 2012 12:21 PM (0lnZM)

124 Most of the illegals can not speak English and would not be able to function in the US Military

And that's why Republicans should be writing that part. Look, it's going to happen. The illegal population is simply too big an untapped reservoir of votes, eventually the Democrats are going to get something through.

Better to have Republicans do it so that a) they can at least take partial credit and b) we can prevent some of the worst problems with it.

1) Must complete a full term of service (that's normally 4 - 6 years, yes?) with satisfactory performance.
a) This includes learning English fluently.
b) This must be in a Combat Primary Military Specialty or other specifically "front -line" MOS (I would include naval maintenance personnel deployed to ships, combat engineers, etc.)
c) Any other-than-satisfactory discharge, including Medical, will not suffice.

2) Such completion only provides legal resident (green card) status. A waiting period of X years must be completed after the completion of the military service prior to applying for full citizenship.

I'm sure we can come up with other things, too.

Note: I don't think Republicans "sharing in the credit" will help us with the Hispanic vote. I do think Republicans being completely shut out (which is what we're on track to have happen) will hurt us with the Hispanic vote.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:22 PM (5DR1j)

125 Obama won Colorado thanks to the 1) mexican landscaper vote and the 2) stoned college kid vote and the 3) well-to-do weekend skier vote

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 12:22 PM (8sCoq)

126 People are also forgetting something else: ORCA may
have been a fuckup, but Obama had a $600 million war chest at LEAST. He
outspent Romney at least 2 to 1 in the election.

Those undisclosed credit card donors to whom we will never learn the true identities bought the election for Obama.




Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs is Really SMOD in Disguise at November 26, 2012 12:13 PM (+AV7H)

or the absolutely Free Campaigning For Obama the media has done for the last 4+ years.

Posted by: willow at November 26, 2012 12:23 PM (hX8cq)

127 Id be ok with a immigration bill that required a person to have paid $40k in federal income taxes before being eligible for citizenship. That way, they will have already made it to middle class and know the cost of government.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 26, 2012 12:23 PM (ZZPs4)

128 Does serving a dime get them citizenship under the siesta act?

Posted by: Butters at November 26, 2012 12:23 PM (NIZHJ)

129 Out-lefting the left is not an option. Tacking right not an option (we've tipped).

LiB = the only option

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 26, 2012 12:24 PM (0lnZM)

130 My lessons leaned, (I was an orca shlub, and saw no real issues.)

1. Go ugly early. Negative ads pounded the 'pubs. I can't remember a single positive Obama ad.

2. Free shit wins voters, stop appropriating funds for free shit.

3. Don't beta test on game day. At some point you need to fire the software dev team and bring in an operations guy, preferably a retired infantry or marine O6 who will swear, spit, and throw shit.

4. Love me some third party shit, go Greens

Posted by: Jean at November 26, 2012 12:25 PM (u5ozF)

131 1. The personality cult was cultivated for 4 years. OFA never disbanded, but instead kept sending emails getting people to gather to watch State of the Union addresses and such. Periodically they would take bogus polls and things, so that people felt like they were still involved. While we mocked him, Obama went on The View, Leno, Letterman, etc. Michelle showed up in magazines. Those dim bulbs who might have voted for Romney due to the bad economy instead went for Obama because he was "just like them."

2. Romney was damaged by a divisive primary which went on far too long. In addition, some conservatives attacked him as a vulture capitalist. This was really bad, as it gave authenticity to Obama's attacks.

3. Romney couldn't access his general election money until after the convention. So Obama had all summer to attack him. Attack ads work.

4. Hispanics were alienated back during the Bush years when too many conservatives went from explaining the rule of law to outright disdain for Mexicans. I heard it on our local radio show, and that message got internalized by some who might have voted for us.

5. Vote fraud in certain cities is out of control. Obviously, it will never be investigated as long as TFG is in office.

6. The anti-Mormonism in the primaries promoted by some people got internalized by a portion of our voting block. Not a lot, but in elections like this, every thousand voters is a big deal. This meme was constantly repeated by the leftist blogs and some papers. ("Magic underwear.")

Probably, there is more to be added. ORCA was a symptom of our problems, not the cause. We keep thinking there is a single magic bullet that will give us victory. If only we had a Reagan. If only we could prove Benghazi. If only, if only, etc.

Obama and the dems scramble for every vote, while we stand around thinking that we have a magic bullet. We do not. Winning is going to take convincing people that our way will give them a batter life. We need charming guys to go on The View. We need Rowdy Gowdy out there mixing it up with leftist interviewers. We need to CONSTANTLY be in the public eye, making our case in terms they can understand, while not trashing any group.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 12:27 PM (GoIUi)

132
Better to have Republicans do it so that a) they can at least take partial credit and b) we can prevent some of the worst problems with it.

Posted by: AllenG





That is the exact same justification used every time the Republicans get rolled on an issue, such as Medicare B, National Health and all the rest.

Once the Republicans sign off, the Dems expand and spend. Always.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 26, 2012 12:29 PM (kdS6q)

133 The only important thing in this post is the quote from Newt Gingrich.

In 2016, no voters under the age of 50 will have voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984.Few under 40 will even remember when Reagan was President. These voters have seen nothing but two failed Bush presidencies, a successful Clinton presidency, and now the first black President who got reelected and seems like a really cool guy. Obama was reelecteddespite a bad economy, with no plan for the next four years, because the Republican brand is despised by these voters. If we don't start seriously rethinking everything, from our policy positions to our messaging to our leadership to our outreach, we won't win another Presidential election.

People under 40 do not watch television. Spending $500 million on TVads is a guaranteed way to blow elections from now on.

Posted by: rockmom at November 26, 2012 12:30 PM (aBlZ1)

134 **4. Love me some third party shit, go Greens**

yup, we shoulda pushed that more. We lost a million jokes to joke ass libertarians.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:30 PM (QxSug)

135 Would a fully functioning ORCA meant Romney would have won? No.

I will say though, the GOP needs to go after low-information voters in a big way. I thought Donald Trump was a clown, but honestly, there's a certain genius in the way he can break through the clutter. The GOP needs to learn to channel tactics like Trump/Breitbart. You could really tell The Donald really got under Team Obama's skin.

But really, the biggest problem with the GOP is they haven't recognized the country has changed and are running the same Reagan playbook. Not only did Romney lose but Senate candidates in "bright red" states lost as well.

With the new electorate, the main focus should be the dynamic Ace has talked about: free people vs. free shit. We can win that argument, we can't win on the argument that our politics should be the pathway back to a more traditional, religious nation.




Posted by: McAdams at November 26, 2012 12:32 PM (1sN+R)

136 Remember, Romney was ahead by 5 points a few days before Sandy.

He should have kept foot on the pedal.

However, voter fraud was real, man. How do we lose red state GOP senate seats?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:32 PM (QxSug)

137 I want heads, on pikes, as a warning to the others.


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 26, 2012 11:56 AM (8sCoq)

If only....

Posted by: Paladin at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (mCOPv)

138 If all the votes cast get marked in the D column, what's the margin of fraud and how do we get out enough votes to overcome it?

Or if the machines (or the poll workers) are told to record three D votes for every two R votes, or just to disregard as many Rs as necessary for a D win, what's the margin and how much outreach and ground game do we need to overcome it?

Posted by: pestilential at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (3SW88)

139 The Grand OLD Party brand died awhile back. They're trying to keep it a secret as long as they can.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 26, 2012 12:33 PM (0lnZM)

140 McAdams, concur. We need to leverage our star power too. Trump cuts through BS and has taken a ton of arrows from the left. He didn't shrink from it.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:34 PM (QxSug)

141 Even if I'm dubious about how effective something that turned out 7 million fewer voters for the God-Emperor was, granting the premise that it's the most amazing thing ever and secured El JEFe's victory, the totalitarian fucks started working on that Narwhal thing in early 2011. How does a non-incumbent deal with that?

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 26, 2012 12:34 PM (4Lo/K)

142 @138, who knows. Allen west may have lost but look at the monkey circus they revealed with how the vote counters operate.

Maybe we should swallow our pride in 2014 and 2016 and ask the UN to watch some of these trouble precincts.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:36 PM (QxSug)

143 We focused from the very beginning on Project Orca itself being a waste of financial and human resources as well as a nonsensical centralization of a task that had been done successfully for decades at the local level.

One note, the way it was 'done for decades at the local level' - by hand - was no longer acceptable. Was every GOP county committee in America supposed to go digital individually?

How was a non-centralized approach supposed to look?

Posted by: CJ at November 26, 2012 12:37 PM (9KqcB)

144 141, end withholding - appropriate no funds for the collection of 941 withholding - make taxes due at the end of the fiscal year (a fewbdyas before the election) in certified funds, let Adam Smiths Pimp Hand reach the low information voters.

Posted by: Jean at November 26, 2012 12:37 PM (49lPc)

145 #131 Brilliant, as usual, Miss Marple. Though I would add that Hispanics were highly alienated by the brawl over the Arizona law, and blacks were alienated by the GOP pushing voter-ID laws all over the place. We shot ourselves in the feet with so many voter groups and it is going to take years to correct this.

We had the perfect guy to appeal to younger voters, go on the TV chat shows, go on college radio stations and fitness shows, etc. etc. For Pete's sake, the guy had a Tumblr page started by girls who thought he was hot. Instead they had him speaking to AARP and getting booed, and campaigning in Florida with his 80-year-old mother. This is what I will never forgive from these idots who ran the Romney campaign. They tried so hard to be "the adults in the room," while Obama was having bong parties on all the campuses and yukking it up with Jay-Z.

Posted by: rockmom at November 26, 2012 12:38 PM (aBlZ1)

146 Karl Rove is first.

Posted by: Butters at November 26, 2012 12:38 PM (NIZHJ)

147
Nobody here understands.
Unless you are in a position of desperate need or a difficult situation CUT ALL TIES WITH DEMOCRATS
-don't feel guilty, they would do the same with you
-if you are a father/mother of koolaid drinkers (first: condolences) CUT ALL FINANCE, if your son obamabot complaints tell him you gave everything to the poor
-cut ties with in-laws and direct relatives who support this turd of a president, if you cannot, everytime one complaints about something offer no sympathy and state it couldn't happen to a better person
-I hope you already decided not to finance all the Hollywood retards who supported the idiot (illegal downloading is there for a reason)
-if you own a business FIRE them and never hire them
-do not donate randomly, the church gives to anybody. Get names of fellow Romney voters and help them (note DO NOT HELP REPUBLICANS WHO DID NOT VOTE, they are part of the problem)
The list would be longer but I am typing from a smartphone... If you feel guilty by doing any of the above remember how the leftards call you REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO OR SAY: racist, sexist, old, flyover, redneck, rural, backwards, uneducated... They are still roaming blogs and forums laughing at you, talking dawn at you with their smug and condescending tone.
Secondly, they are masters @ demoralizing operations, everytime one of them calls you names TURN YOUR BACK AND LEAVE, don't give even time to fakely apologize!
Learn basic psychology, offending you gives them power, there is a youtube video with Romney 5 sons talking about their mother. The comments below are against HER saying she is not really sick but she is pretending to have MS to have ppl feel sorry for her! THIS IS THE LEVEL OF PPL WE FACE!
Don't blame Romney for being too kind if you aren't able to tell your beer buddies to fuck off

Posted by: fromabroad at November 26, 2012 12:38 PM (rnV3B)

148 Obama had 6 years to run, we only had 6 months
we had to hire over 100 staffers in only 60 days
____________________________________________

Hard truths. Of course those who weren't involved know better.

Posted by: Terry Gain at November 26, 2012 12:39 PM (Xri0e)

149 We've got to quit falling the MSM traps. Like George Stephanolopis question about "states being able to outlawing abortions". The candidate should call them out with a WTF are you talking about? "Obviously this is a waste of my time." Rip off the mike, throw it on the floor and kick him in the nadds on the way out the door.

Posted by: Paladin at November 26, 2012 12:39 PM (mCOPv)

150 I think it's time Republicans start playing the same game. When we don't like something, it has to be the end of the world. We can't simply say "Social Security is unsustainable," it has to become "The Social Security hole is going to impoverish the nation!" And anyone who pooh-pooh's that needs to become a "denier!"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 26, 2012 12:00 PM (5DR1j)

The left can do that because they control the media. And besides, the Republicans are too cowardly to do it anyway.

Posted by: KG at November 26, 2012 12:41 PM (p7BzH)

151 #135 I have thought many times that if Trump had not inexplicably latched on to the Birth Certificate garbage, he would have been the perfect GOP candidate and would have beaten the crap out of Obama. People just fucking love the guy, and he does know what the hell he is talking about when it comes to economic policy - probably more than Romney did since his business experience has been more far-flung and he has been in real estate, which is a business that is heavily dependent on people being employed and businesses starting and succeeding.

Posted by: rockmom at November 26, 2012 12:42 PM (aBlZ1)

152 150, we should be shoving Harry Reid's SS is fine comment up his ass sideways. "Its fine until after your dead, asshole" would be my way.

Posted by: Jean at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (pmDdf)

153 >> Would a fully functioning ORCA meant Romney would have won? No.

I agree. Which is why it was an idea that should've been left on the cutting room floor.

Hell, it wasn't even an original thought. Despite Team Orca's pimping of how awesome it was, the Obama campaign called the same thing "Houdini" in 2008. Guess what, Houdini didn't work either.

Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 12:44 PM (C/NnJ)

154 #147 This is absolutely correct. I am pretty mild-mannered and do not like confrontation. However, I was mad enough about the election I went to Thanksgiving prepared to leave. I noticed my brother had removed his Obama photos from the fridge and NO ONE mentioned the election.

I had told two sisters ahead of time I was done putting up with the democrat propaganda. My dem relatives pretty much left me alone, and I left as early as possible.

The fact that these people feel entitled to trash someone like Ann Romney is exactly why they must be fought. As God is my witness, I believe that they would hound the Romneys out of the country or worse, if they thought they could get away with it. If I were Mitt I would move the whole damn family to Singapore.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 12:46 PM (GoIUi)

155 Terry @ 148, Romney had been running for President since 2006.

This dog-chasing-a-car act, where they realized they didn't know what to do with the nomination after they caught it, is embarrassing.

Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 12:47 PM (C/NnJ)

156 rockmom, we can't outleft the left. If the hispanics care about immigration (which they don't) and the blacks hate voter ID (which they don't) then we can't give it to them. period. There are good arguments for voter ID and against massive illegal immigration (or is it cool that Obama is buddy buddy with laraza)

We'll have to appeal to them in other ways.

Like freedom, economic opportunity, values.

Our weakness is also our strength, we can't out patronage the patronage party, we have values.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:49 PM (QxSug)

157 #155 Yes, he had been running. He mistakenly thought Americans wanted someone who would try to fix the economy, instead of someone who would party with Beyonce and Jay-Z.

Issues DO NOT MATTER to a large portion of the electorate. Character DOES NOT MATTER to a large portion of the electorate.

I agree with the poster above. Run Donald Trump.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 12:50 PM (GoIUi)

158 and maybe, it can be whispered, there's another reason why hispanics and blacks don't like GOP

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 12:50 PM (QxSug)

159 >> How was a non-centralized approach supposed to look?

Centralizing a view of the data isn't that big a deal. It was the centralizing of the process, with no input from or coordination with the people out in the burgs who had been doing this forever, that was Business Consultant 101 and doomed to failure.

Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 12:50 PM (C/NnJ)

160 In addition, why are local GOP offices only concerned with elections? Why aren't they offering free help with income tax preparation, contacts for dealing with permits or other regulations, tutoring for kids, etc.

Heck, hand out free groceries once a month since food prices are going up so fast. Just make sure you explain WHY they are going up.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 12:52 PM (GoIUi)

161 Don't blame Romney for being too kind if you aren't able to tell your beer buddies to fuck off

Posted by: fromabroad at November 26, 2012 12:38 PM (rnV3B)

That's a great way to win a majority of votes: Being a total dick.

Posted by: CJ at November 26, 2012 12:57 PM (9KqcB)

162 #156, I used to think the same way you do, but this election opened my eyes.

In our modern culture, people are simply not voting with their heads, they are not voting on Freedom vs. Tyranny, Growth vs. Stagnation, Family vs. the State. They are voting with their tribe. Period. Most Hispanics are Catholics, and most blacks go to church every Sunday. But they voted for the secular candidate who spoke not a word to their religious values in this election. They voted in huge numbers, mostly because Republicans have told them in a million ways that we hate them. And we nominated the whitest, richest guy we could find.

What we all called non-existent dog-whistles, actual blacks and Hispanice heard, and they heard them loud and clear.

We don't have to pander to minoroties. But we do have to first stop telling them we hate them.

Posted by: rockmom at November 26, 2012 12:58 PM (NYnoe)

163 133 I thought Newt was the last best hope for making an assertive case for conservatism. Romney, I grew to appreciate more but I think only fight could have won anything at all. If not the election, some converts to sense and reason.

Posted by: sarahw at November 26, 2012 01:00 PM (LYwCh)

164 149
We've got to quit falling the MSM traps. Like George Stephanolopis
question about "states being able to outlawing abortions". The candidate
should call them out with a WTF are you talking about? "Obviously this
is a waste of my time." Rip off the mike, throw it on the floor and kick
him in the nadds on the way out the door.

----
I'm totally on board with that.

Posted by: MotherGoos3 at November 26, 2012 01:01 PM (Km6fn)

165 Moon-bases notwithstanding.

Posted by: sarahw at November 26, 2012 01:01 PM (LYwCh)

166 #160 I think that is a heckuva good idea. Republicans can start rebuilding the party's image by actually doing visible good works in our communities. We can also do a better job highlighting the other good works being done by the private and religious sectors. There is probably going to be 10 times the amount of money raised and spent on relief and rebuilding from Hurricane Sandy by the nonprofits and churches than will be spent by FEMA.

Posted by: rockmom at November 26, 2012 01:03 PM (qE3AR)

167 In addition, why are local GOP offices only concerned with elections? Why aren't they offering free help with income tax preparation, contacts for dealing with permits or other regulations, tutoring for kids, etc.

Who exactly is going to do all of this volunteering? It took the Election of a Lifetime to get conservatives off their asses. I like the idea, but damn, local GOP volunteers are already carrying a heavy load.

Posted by: CJ at November 26, 2012 01:08 PM (9KqcB)

168
161 retards who voted twice for Obama are not worth saving.It doesn't make any difference if you tell them to fuck off or not, however I can guarantee you that they are laughing behind your back. And how many hardline democrats have you converted by playing the nice buddy? Please tell us your numbers, I bet they are more interesting than the ORCA ones.
Let's see in a year or 2 from now if they have still money for their beers.

Posted by: fromabroad at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (rnV3B)

169 166 #160 I think that is a heckuva good idea. Republicans can start rebuilding the party's image by actually doing visible good works in our communities. We can also do a better job highlighting the other good works being done by the private and religious sectors. There is probably going to be 10 times the amount of money raised and spent on relief and rebuilding from Hurricane Sandy by the nonprofits and churches than will be spent by FEMA.
Posted by: rockmom at November 26, 2012 01:03 PM (qE3AR)


Like we're really gonna show that?

Get a grip, wingnutz!!!11111!!!11

Posted by: Democrat Media-Industrial Complex at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (ExMJd)

170 Most Hispanics are Catholics, and most blacks go to church every Sunday. But they voted for the secular candidate who spoke not a word to their religious values in this election. They voted in huge numbers, mostly because Republicans have told them in a million ways that we hate them.

No we didn't. Maybe the voters of colors just voted for the candidate of color.

We oppose open borders. That's unpopular with many Hispanics, who benefit from open borders. Our position is completely rational, responsible even. But, yes, it is a principled position that hurts us politically. That's a far cry from "told them in a million ways that we hate them."

That's not to say we shouldn't go hard for all votes. The theme should be "We think Hispanic and black voters deserve the same thing white voters enjoy:a choice."

Posted by: CJ at November 26, 2012 01:14 PM (9KqcB)

171 or maybe they hate us. and there's nothing we can do about it.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:15 PM (QxSug)

172 who knows what hispanics want. we assume these things.

but

they won't trust us if we kiss their ass

we can't out pander the left.

maybe we can appeal to their supposed values but Romney ran the fuck away from any values debate.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 01:17 PM (QxSug)

173 Posted by: fromabroad at November 26, 2012 01:09 PM (rnV3B)

Do you actually know any Democrats?

Most voters - of all parties - don't see elections as a steel cage death match. Many of them could vote for either party, at least for president, depending on their personal situation and the candidates. It might feel good telling them to fuck off - or pretending online to tell them to fuck off - but it just guarantees you'll be in the minority, a comfy minority surrounded by people who believe everything you do and no one else.

We lost an argument on Election Day. Mainly because, unlike Democrats, we don't spend the time IN BETWEEN ELECTIONS framing the issues to our advantage. So we're always playing defense.

I was born in Phildelphia where everyone is Democrat. I grew up and changed affiliation. Don't give up on those people. Never give up.

Posted by: CJ at November 26, 2012 01:25 PM (9KqcB)

174 @ Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 12:47 PM (C/NnJ)
____________________________________________

You are confusing the nomination with the presidency.

Posted by: Terry Gain at November 26, 2012 01:26 PM (Xri0e)

175 #167 Well, if no one wants to help with this then I have to assume that we are every bit as lazy as the free shit people.

For over a hundred years the dems have had Democrat Clubs in New York City. Why can't we do the same? For gosh sakes, look at all the donated money WASTED this time on crap that didn't work.

How about setting up test areas where we did this. Pick a city like Madison and name the place something like "American Community Help" so that it won't scream GOP. Offer free coffee and snacks and have people show up and hang around. Have free stuff available (clothing for kids, used small appliances, etc. the stuff we normally give to Goodwill). Have handouts for places to get help. OFFER help.

MAKE FRIENDS with the people who come in. Don't belittle them or act like they are idiots. Treat them as people. We have to be better at this than the democrats, because we are nicer and more efficient.

Or not. You can continue to let consultants bleed off money to enrich themselves, or we can try and do something different.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 01:35 PM (GoIUi)

176 "Put more simply: if Orca was mission critical, it should've been done
right, and if it wasn't mission critical, it shouldn't have been done at
all. I'm in the latter camp."

^This, although I would tend to put myself into the former camp rather than the latter. We need better GOTV moving forward.

If you look at the resumes of some of Romney's campaign operatives, in particular which candidates they've worked for in the past, it is not a reassuring picture of how he assembled his campaign team.

All I care about is learning from the mistake. I don't care to beat Romney up over-much. He's really not that relevant to either the conservative movement or to the Party insofar as he's not in national office and hasn't spent that much time in public service at all. He was our nominee. He did some things well and some things poorly.

But I am getting ticked off at the knee-jerk reaction by some to blame "the base" or "so-cons" or Women Voters or whathaveyou in lieu of assigning any responsibility for our loss to the candidate, his team, and/or our Party apparatus. We need to understand what happened. This was a winnable election and we lost.

Posted by: Y-not hasn't read the comments at November 26, 2012 01:35 PM (5H6zj)

177 Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 01:35 PM (GoIUi)

All are fine ideas, I just want you to understand how much harder it is to engage Republicans in this than Democrats, more of whom live politics every day. I am one of those "local GOP" folks you were addressing, and I am noting that we don't just sit around in between presidential elections. We have county and local elections to get working on. We need help before you send us more tasks.

Posted by: CJ at November 26, 2012 01:43 PM (9KqcB)

178
Rockmom
"They voted in huge numbers, mostly because Republicans have told them in a million ways that we hate them"

You are playing the leftist game. Romney is rich and so was Kerry, Kennedy and probably others. The retards with less 30,000 income had no problem voting for them. Why should we have problems with Romney's and McCain's wealth? Romney worked for free in mass, he would have refused the president's salary. If 60millions Americans loathe the rich only when they are Republican candidates it means they are so fucking retarded and lobotomized that they are not worth converting. There are still 100million Americans who did not vote, try with them. Wasting time with the obamaphone lady and the average illegal Mexican is not worth the effort

Posted by: fromabroad at November 26, 2012 01:46 PM (rnV3B)

179 #177 Yes, I know you do. And I am as guilty as anyone about not doing something. In my area the GOP is run by the same people who have been doing elections for years.

Maybe this is something to get younger people involved in. I am only offering suggestions, as obviously what we are doing isn't working and it's also costing us a ton of money.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 01:57 PM (GoIUi)

180 Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 01:57 PM (GoIUi)

I appreciate the ideas. We have to keep thinking outside the box.

Posted by: CJ at November 26, 2012 02:01 PM (9KqcB)

181 OK, how about a contest? A scholarship for essays on American history and how it applies to ALL people. (No, that won't work, the home-schoolers would win it.)

We have to think of ways to break through. Trump has made a show out of business practices and marketing efforts. Surely we can think of stuff like this.

Maybe Romney should have a show where he shows how to help struggling companies. (As a side issue, it could possibly make union bosses look like assholes.)

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 02:01 PM (GoIUi)

182 OK, does anyone watch the show where the guy redoes restaurants, having hidden cameras and spotting all the terrible things the kitchen and servers are doing? Or the one where they redo bars so that they become moneymakers?

You could do the same thing with struggling companies.

OR, you could write a drama where the owners are nice people beset by unions and government regulators and such. A good writer could make people hiss every time the EPA came on screen.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 26, 2012 02:05 PM (GoIUi)

183
171
"Do you actually know any Democrats? "
I am not American and I have never been to USA. So technically I thankfully never dealt with a 'democrat' per se but I have dealt with leftists all my life in my native socialist EU country and in at least 3 others in WE EU. Romney's loss pissed me off to no end because I believe recession and unemployment will be worse in Europe and will directly affect my job and overall welfare.

You claim you had an epiphany and left the Democratic plantation as many others before you (quote Churchill if you're not a liberal when you're young you're heartless, if you are not conservative when you're old you're brainless) but all those ppl found it out themselves through the realities of life. I have heard many stories and they all revolved around trips to a communist country or hearing first hand accounts from fugitives from those countries. Also experiencing first hand the damages of leftists administrations locally helps a lot. But USA is far larger than any EU country and I do not see how insisting in precincts where Jessie Jackson got 65% is worth.

If you are from Philadelphia try at least to monitor voter fraud.The point of my comment is that thereis no point in feeding the enemy to the point of degradation. Any Republican gay will tell you that they are vilified from their leftist gay peers so you see that the tactic are totally in place already.

There isn't margin to convince an Obama voter, at most you can succeed with Indies and people who never bothered to vote (which are the majority in the US)

Posted by: fromabroad at November 26, 2012 02:08 PM (rnV3B)

184 >> You are confusing the nomination with the presidency.

So you're saying Romney's business plan was:

1) Secure the GOP nomination
2) ???
3) Profit!

What kind of manager stops the Gantt chart at the end of the intermediate goals?

Or are you saying that Romney's reputation as a kickass manager might be a wee bit overstated?

Posted by: Andy at November 26, 2012 02:27 PM (C/NnJ)

185 Regarding the GOP and Latinos, I think it's just a punch in the face we're going to have to deal with, but it had almost NOTHING to do with the election. The best thing would be to simply wait it out and eventually Latinos will become what Italians are in the US today. They eventually are going to see themselves as simply Americans, not some ethnic bloc that needs to be catered to. Also, if we put someone like Rubio at the top of the ticket, I see many of our issues melting away.

But if you want to take a small problem and make it an obstacle the GOP can never overcome, you'll give Obama and Democrats some sort of amnesty bill they can waive around for several generations and 20 million new impoverished voters on the dole.

Compare McCain's performance with Latinos and Romney, with McCain basically writing an amnesty bill for La Raza. It was basically a push.

The GOP's biggest problem is the gender gap. If you can get white females to vote just a little more like white males, the Democrats would never be able to win a national election again.


Posted by: McAdams at November 26, 2012 02:52 PM (1sN+R)

186 see Md. E.g., Micheal Steele. Or Condi Rice. Or Allen West. Blacks/Hispanics/Asians/whatevers aren't going to be won over by even honest pandering.

Unless there really are two americas, one on the take and the others struggling to make.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 26, 2012 03:15 PM (QxSug)

187
Ruffini makes the point in the podcast that the GOP data operation needed to make us competitive in 2016 should be built outside of any campaign and outside of the RNC.

But, doesn't this go against your earlier point about consultants and treating the campaign like it's their last? It seems to me that building the data operation falls directly into the hands of consultants who would be more interested in perpetuating their brand.

I'm being somewhat argumentative, because I actually see the possibilities in creating a data farm specifically geared towards furthering conservative ideals and demographic strategies. It'll be a stone-cold bitch to execute right, but it needs to be done.

I'd love to be involved in something like this, if the right opportunity arises.

Posted by: NukemHill at November 26, 2012 03:35 PM (8HmhD)

188
This is MADNESS!!

First of all, you've got this DEMOCRAT telling us, essentially, that these consultants are evil because they're trying to make money. WE'RE supposed to know that trying to make money is not only NOT a bad thing, but it is a VERY GOOD thing.

If the consultants are ineffective, the FIRE THEM. That's why it's good to have consultants: they're easy to dump if they suck.

So it's almost like, you know, CAPITALISM. (Actually, that's EXACTLY what it is, IYKWIM.) If the consultants don't profit from helping the politicians, then it's the politician's fault for not setting up the incentives and for not firing them. Gee, it's almost like Republican politicians don't understand how this capitalism thing works, EITHER.

As to the ORCA guys, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
(1) They're going to put as good a spin on it as possible - THAT'S THEIR JOB.
(2) The design obviously sucked, because it should have let the existing framework run unabated while trying the new stuff, but in all fairness a few months is a very short time to put out a specializedS/W product of this size and complexity. Having learned of its flaws (albeit the HARD WAY) they have a leg-up on having a working system for next time around.
(3) What they are saying is that they managed to collect some data that might be helpful for the next time around, despite everything that went wrong - and that's legitimate. Just because there was a catastrophic failure, that doesn't mean that there isn't something you can salvage.
(4) This anti-centralizationrhetoric I'mhearingis crap. If you're running a national campaign, you need to coordinate efforts between states, and that means some central control. If we've learned anything, however,it would appear that the system should have had a bunch of nodes that could operate independently, and maybe even take over for each other if there were failures, while still being controlled and monitoredby HQ. But, again, they only had a few months to put this together. It's kind of ridiculous that the RNC didn't develop something like this a long time ago, but politicans are inherently incompetentidiots.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 26, 2012 04:25 PM (Mxt9o)

189 Impeach him for what? Because you don't like him?
Awww...Jean, you poor lazy person who refused to learn what a 3rd grader knows. Impeachment isn't a response to doing something you don't like. It has a process, and one must commit a felony. How cute....you used your brain almost.

Besides Anyone who calls for Obama's impeachment IS in fact a racist!

Why isn't the FBI or the Justice Department investigating the widespread voter fraud that enabled Barack Obama to win the 2012 election? The simple answer is because there is nothing to investigate. Searching for something that does not exist is a waste of taxpayer money and a pointless exercise in futility. The 2012 election was not a close election. President Obama soundly defeated Mitt Romney 332-206 electoral votes and by a popular vote margin of 50.8-47.5 percent. Yet, the myth that widespread voter fraud swung the election for Obama continues to persist on Right wing web sites and blogs. These myths are usually divorced from the facts altogether or grounded in baseless speculation.

Why did Obama win?!?!? Here's why!

It wasn't because of gifts. It wasn't because of making Mitt Romney unacceptable, it wasn't about biography, it wasn't Hurricane Sandy, it wasn't because of strategy.
It was because after four years of saying that the President of the United States was a socialist, Nazi, terrorist, Kenyan traitor who was destroying the country, Republicans living in their bubble had pushed their party so far to the right that they believed their own story. And the rest of America saw reality differently.

Meanwhil, you wanna know who DEFINITELY is a "scoamf"? Mitt Romney. The RNC. Not Obama!

Obviously you're not an American. Most of the comments here talk about how much they love the USA in the same breath as how much they hate our president and all who voted for him
those that call him a traitor are indeed misguided. He is not the traitor, you scumbags are the real traitors and the real disgrace to America!

He has a mandate and was elected in a landslide. Even the GOP is coming to realize that.

Posted by: Questionman at November 26, 2012 07:00 PM (8dQF7)

190 Newt is right that the Republican brand is severly crippled.

I don't know if it can be fixed nationally but they should at least start in the Congressional districts the Repubs won but Romney lost.

Posted by: Ken at November 26, 2012 08:37 PM (caupe)

191 Posted by: Questionman at November 26, 2012 07:00 PM (8dQF7)
__
meh, even the Russianseditorialize that Americans elected a Communist on Nov. 6. And if anyone recognizes a commie, it's the Russians. Preazy doesn't have a mandate. Witness the districts that voted for preaze and yet sent their GOP reps back tothe Hill.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2012 02:01 PM (jm/9g)

192 Erick Erickson posted an article pertaining to this today: As a partner with Political Gravity, developers of Gravity, I am admittedly biased. I also am more than a little ticked in that we saw this coming for almost a year, and tried our best to get the RNC to use our technology, but in the end, every Victory office was using paper walk lists and data provided by FLS Connect. (I am not so mad they did not choose us in that they did not choose ANYTHING). http://tinyurl.com/cnbjpdm

Posted by: Matt at November 27, 2012 06:28 PM (eQ/jF)

193 274 It's not hopeless, it is just far and difficult. If we ever truly believed though it is a fight we cannot abandon while we still have breath.
-
What is the reward for giving up? If we resign ourselves to the "inevitable," who pays us, when, where, in what coin?

This system that we are caught in for the time being is genocidal. Chronic mass immigration plus forced integration and assimilation mean that everything we care about, and especially the tribal continuities and values that are supposed to outlast an individual's life, will be gone.

There's no way to gain in the long run by "accepting" a fate like that, nothing to "move on" to collectively if one "gets over it," and no contextually rational shame or sense of foolishness to avoid by "being reasonable".

So struggle on.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 27, 2012 06:45 PM (d428C)






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