Life of Pi...this is not a movie review, eh [Journolist]

The Life of Pi is in movie theatres and has made quite a splash with all of the usual suspects in the entertainment world who are lavishing praise on director Ang Lee's big screen adaptation of Yann Martel's 2001 fantasy adventure novel. Martel's novel turned movie is captured in rich 3-D and computer graphic imagery (CGI) effects that activate the senses in spectacular and shocking proportion. But beyond the spectacular and shocking cinematic aesthetics lies an interesting confluence of plot within a most clever theme trained on postmodernism. And if you don't know what postmodernism is... look it up as mom would say. And while you're at it, also check out nihilism for a twofer. Clearly you know I jest. It's just that my patience has been on the wearing side ever since running a Thanksgiving charity 5K race, backwards as it were, then tripping over a perfectly placed orange pylon and landing on my shoulder. Running backwards to tell others to speed up while tripping over something clearly marked....I just know there's a lesson in there somewhere to be found. So please excuse any coarseness of verbiage slopped within this here post on this fine smart military blog.

Speaking of Tony Blankley... I do miss Blankley. Not only his sharp wit and arc weld tour de force writing style. But I miss him for his ability to put up with John McLaughlin. McLaughlin's ability to carry on while attempting to shut his guests down is brilliant in a sort of styrofoam way. But if I mention John McLaughlin, I should also mention Jack Germond as we only got Tony B. in the Mc'round after the Germond vs. McLaughlin donnybrook. So good on Jack, I suppose. And if I mention Jack Germond, I would be remiss if I didn't mention SNL and Chris Farley.

So moving right along and getting back to Pi, what is going on in the film is deeper than what can be fully perceived in the immediate. And as is so often the case, those in the cinema seats take the bait with eyes, ears and mouths wide open. But as stated, the film is deeper than what can be fully perceived in the immediate and as such, I suspect it only fair to cut the average moviegoer some slack on the point. Perhaps some ingenious tech savvy entrepreneur could make an app for moviegoers to alert them of movies which are duplicitous and clever... The app could have a nice Sherlock Holmes icon with a magnifying glass... color coded of course to match other popular apps of our i-phonic age...like those of Keeping up with the Kardashians and TMZ. Just a thought. For we like to keep it real here to a fault.

The point in all of this if there is indeed one to be made is found in the flash and dash of our age where the anything goes postmodernism of it all has taken to pervading the culture to such a degree that you can now have objective minded folks so starved for any hint of ethical discourse that they will actively seek out and plant their flag in a film whose vision and so called genius is a kalidescope into the bizarre set in bold metaphor.... a pantheistic metaphor of plural gods, scriptures, creeds and paganism intertwined together in a super-blend of "it's all good" in 3-D and CGI.

Pi is a remarkable commentary in allegorical proportions of just how far advanced we have become in our ability to reach beyond and into a place of pluarality, for life's meaning, where everything is accepted as right and where there are no moral limitations and where everything is squared under the rubric of moral relativism... and the feel goodism of high fibre polythesim.

A new religion is being formed right in front of us... where the churches have no pews... just seats with cup-holders and big silver screens.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 06:45 PM



Comments

1

powerball thread?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 06:48 PM (4cIby)

2

I forgot we lost Tony Blankley.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 06:49 PM (4cIby)

3 No money left for cinema. Went to gas station and grocery and it is all gone. It sure is expensive having a cool rockstar homeboy for president.

Posted by: Comrade Kulak at November 24, 2012 06:50 PM (Kflw4)

4 Looks like FSU is fading fast.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 24, 2012 06:51 PM (wR+pz)

5 so, Journolist... this is your Master's thesis in Postmodernist Studies, right?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2012 06:51 PM (xpyi2)

6 The Tiger Isn't Real. Or is it?

Posted by: The Stick In the Mud at November 24, 2012 06:51 PM (ndlFj)

7 I prefer a Life of Pie.

Posted by: Michael Moore at November 24, 2012 06:51 PM (tkoGU)

8
So...does the Tiger represent Islam?
And we have to feed the Tiger in hopes that he won't eat us?

Haven't seen 'Life of Pi', but it seems kind of stupid and touchy feelie...from the previews.

Posted by: wheatie at November 24, 2012 06:52 PM (ICEh3)

9 I like pie.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 24, 2012 06:52 PM (pwyhn)

10 Whatever pain killers Journolist is on, I want some.

I bet they go good with beer, too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2012 06:54 PM (ccXZP)

11 The math movie Pi from 1998 is underrated.

Posted by: Morton Throckmorton at November 24, 2012 06:54 PM (Kflw4)

12 I feel confined and penned in in this post. It is claustrophobic, and stuff.

Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 06:54 PM (OQpzc)

13 "The point in all of this etc etc etc etc etc long winded etc etc etc etc punctuation can etc etc etc be etc etc be your etc etc etc friend etc etc, etc, etc etc.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 06:55 PM (JCIjD)

14
The Social Evolution of Conservatives vs Liberals


The division of the human family into its two distinct political branches occurred some 10,000 years ago, when humans coexisted as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers.

The pivotal event of societal evolution was the invention of beer. This epochal event was both the foundation of modern civilization and the occasion of the bifurcation of humanity into its two distinct subgroups: Conservatives and Liberals.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so it was necessary to stick close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days killing animals to barbecue at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of the conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly barbecues and doing the sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the liberal movement. An interesting evolutionary side note: some of these early liberal men eventually evolved into women.

Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the trade union, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the conservatives provided.

Over the years, conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant.

Liberals are symbolized by the jackass. Modern liberals like imported beer, but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men.

Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer; they eat red meat, and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. The liberals crept in after the Wild West was tamed by the conservatives and then created a business of trying to get MORE for nothing.

Liberals don't believe in equal opportunity, but they do believe in equal outcomes. Liberalism is a mental disorder characterized by serial lying, personality disorders, and sociopathy.


Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 24, 2012 06:55 PM (lDWQr)

15 That post was almost painful to read, there was so much senseless jumping around for the sake of jumping around. I am not sure if you were attempting to be intentionally absurd but what started out as an interesting point on a new film quickly became ADD in typed form.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 24, 2012 06:57 PM (fXuxy)

16 If there's not scantily clad women and/or shit getting blown up, I'm not interested.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 24, 2012 06:58 PM (N2b3O)

17 Probably should've just written the review.

Posted by: Michael Moore at November 24, 2012 06:58 PM (tkoGU)

18 Fat sock off.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 06:58 PM (tkoGU)

19 3.1415926535897!

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2012 06:59 PM (xpyi2)

20 I'm keeping my movie budget for The Hobbit.

Nothing in the 3.14 preview got my attention.

Posted by: Methos at November 24, 2012 06:59 PM (hO9ad)

21 You call that a knife? That's not a knife. That's a tax.

Posted by: Crocodile Roberts at November 24, 2012 07:01 PM (6JMZR)

22
Where can I get me a huntin' license and a piece of apple pi?

Posted by: Jon Carry, D-Masshole at November 24, 2012 07:01 PM (lDWQr)

23 Taking wifey to see "Skyfall' tonight...any ad hoc reviews out there? FWIW, I really like Craig's Bond. It seems to have livened up, and updated the franchise.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2012 07:01 PM (Nc/0B)

24 yeah, the FSU defense seems to be all worn out now.
oh well, it would be nice for Florida to lose

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2012 07:01 PM (xpyi2)

25 I'll take some of what Dr Fish is on too, even though I suspect it comes from the mescaline class of compounds.

Those too can go well with beer.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2012 07:01 PM (ccXZP)

26 Much too deep for me, but I miss Blankley too.

I haven't watched MG since his passing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 07:02 PM (piMMO)

27 Conservatives drink domestic beer; they eat red meat, and still provide for their women.

I'm willing to admit that's why I bought a powerball ticket. Mostly for the steak, though.

Posted by: Methos at November 24, 2012 07:02 PM (hO9ad)

28 Speaking of movies. Out of Sight just came on.

One of the few movies where Clooney is tolerable and J-Lo is all-out sexy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 24, 2012 07:04 PM (piMMO)

29 Skyfall:my wife and I saw it tonight. Awesome chases again! Three thumbs up.

Posted by: Mutant Movie goer at November 24, 2012 07:04 PM (w7J/R)

30 I don't have a clue what this review is trying to say.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 24, 2012 07:05 PM (QTHTd)

31 Well, the trailers look uber-cool. That's all I ever see anyway, so no loss here. Except for the fact that we cannot buy powerball tickets here in the land of the tiny-brained.

Posted by: Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:05 PM (kpCLl)

32 Drew - the intendedpoint is in your point.Allegory, it's what's for dinner.

Posted by: Journolist at November 24, 2012 07:05 PM (LyIKl)

33
Florida over Florida State and it's a wrap!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 24, 2012 07:05 PM (lDWQr)

34 Conservatives drink domestic beer;


Then who drinks single malt scotch?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2012 07:06 PM (pwyhn)

35 Don't worry Peaches, Shrimpy and I will split the jackpot with you

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2012 07:06 PM (xpyi2)

36 "...The Hobbit."
Meh. Saw a commercial. Had Bilbo and Gollum in a sword fight. How much else did they screw up?

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 07:06 PM (+jNI+)

37

I watched Batman finally. It was okay. Bain's voice was goofy. And Patrjck Leahy is in it, which annoyed me.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 07:06 PM (4cIby)

38 Hints of something interesting - I like to read philosophical analysis of films, from time to time - but no real explanation of what was so post-modern about it. Like others, I would have preferred a full review.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 07:07 PM (0QGaA)

39

Bain sounds like a flamboyant Darth Vader.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 07:07 PM (4cIby)

40 Don't worry Peaches, Shrimpy and I will split the jackpot with you


Posted by: Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:07 PM (kpCLl)

41 Since November 6 my life is more cow pie.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 24, 2012 07:07 PM (VlXYw)

42 Liberals drink gluten-free spring water and eat anything that sounds like it's from a Third World shithole.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 07:07 PM (tkoGU)

43
Kudos to Jack Germond for leaving on principle. MG claimed to be "unrehearsed" but panelists did get some information and/or questions in advance. So, he said "bye bye".

Posted by: Die Trying at November 24, 2012 07:07 PM (w7J/R)

44 The problem with Ang Lee directing is the tiger doesn't show until almost an hour into the movie. Then there is the problem of two major action scene taking place in near total darkness.

Posted by: epobirs at November 24, 2012 07:08 PM (kcfmt)

45 "...The Hobbit."

Meh. Saw a commercial.

I keep seeing the ads. It looks excruciatingly bad. Poo-flinging bad. Cringeworthy. But, what do I know, I tried to read teh book (in 1969) and couldn't, it was just such utter crap.

Posted by: Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:08 PM (kpCLl)

46 Back in 1897, the General Assembly of Indiana attempted to change the value of pi by legislative fiat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2012 07:09 PM (ccXZP)

47 That tiger sucked, he hardly exploded at all!

Posted by: Michael Bay at November 24, 2012 07:09 PM (tkoGU)

48 My church has cup holders.

Posted by: mama winger at November 24, 2012 07:09 PM (P6QsQ)

49 Pie, Pie I like Pie

Posted by: Andie MacDowell at November 24, 2012 07:10 PM (qB0/v)

50 #45

Have you ever liked a movie adapted from a book you didn't like? Seems like it doesn't matter if they do a good job on the movie if the source material wasn't worthy for you.

Posted by: epobirs at November 24, 2012 07:11 PM (kcfmt)

51 What Perv State did was nothing compared to the Catholic church! Jerry Sandusky was a saint compared to any Pope!

Posted by: Zombie Joe Pervterno at November 24, 2012 07:13 PM (wIgpo)

52
"Do you like pi or cake?"

"My taste includes both pi and cake"


Posted by: Kim Jong-un at November 24, 2012 07:13 PM (1PE/J)

53 37

I watched Batman finally. It was okay. Bain's voice was goofy. And Patrjck Leahy is in it, which annoyed me.


Sean Hannity was in Atlas Shrugged Part 2.

Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2012 07:13 PM (sdi6R)

54 Deep Throat didn't cut is as a book.

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 24, 2012 07:13 PM (N2b3O)

55 So, did you like the movie?

Posted by: Barbara at November 24, 2012 07:14 PM (XO+CB)

56 Boom. Oklahoma ties up the game at 45 with :04 seconds left.

Posted by: Michael Bay at November 24, 2012 07:14 PM (tkoGU)

57 #54

That is because you tried to read it with your eyes. You're supposed to read it by rubbing it against your groin.

Posted by: epobirs at November 24, 2012 07:16 PM (kcfmt)

58 1 to 5 stars would have been fine.

Posted by: ErikW at November 24, 2012 07:17 PM (uVLXX)

59 Have you ever liked a movie adapted from a book you didn't like?

I don't really watch movies much . . . I have the attention span of a hummingbird on crack, plus I figure I see all the best stuff in the ads. Although, currently, I have my panties in a twist that they are trying to sell that freakin' midget TomCruise as 6'5" Jack Reacher. That is so wrong in so many ways . ..

Posted by: Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:17 PM (kpCLl)

60 I imagine, while reading this, that it's voiced by some dude with a beard and leather patches on the elbows of his corduroy sportcoat...

Posted by: Double Wide at November 24, 2012 07:18 PM (8qoXL)

61 "Conservatives drink domestic beer."
What particular brands do you require me to drink?
Please, please, speak right up here.

I can't wait to hear what a Real Conservative is about to tell me to do.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 07:18 PM (qaVK+)

62 Read the book for book club. Wanted to shoot myself rather than finish it. NOT seeing the movie.

Posted by: NCKate at November 24, 2012 07:24 PM (7b5aK)

63 I'm actually confused. Was this post a joke?

Was it supposed to be rambling and incoherent as some meta-level criticism of the movie?

I'm really hoping the rambling incoherence and verbal puffery was a self-aware joke.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 24, 2012 07:25 PM (R+6Q+)

64 Gators

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 24, 2012 07:25 PM (RCzDO)

65 Is Coors light really a beer?

Posted by: Journolist at November 24, 2012 07:26 PM (Td5Ie)

66 Wait what? They kept saying I'd see ND vs USC tonight but Fla/Fla St is over and some stoopid extra Hollywood show is on. Hell, why didn't they pick up OU vs OSU?
abc & ESPN are tied in with each other.
Oops. Okay. Just saw some nice elbows so it's not total stupid.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 07:26 PM (tWrwm)

67 so, we all just killin' time until ND shows USC how it's done, right? oddly, I am getting a giant load of laundry done while I wait, despite all those cans of cheap conservative swill I am sluggin' down.

Posted by: Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:26 PM (kpCLl)

68 @65 It's really Canadian, is what it is.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 07:27 PM (qaVK+)

69 33
Florida over Florida State and it's a wrap!
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 24, 2012 07:05 PM (lDWQr)

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A fish wrap?

Posted by: Cricket at November 24, 2012 07:27 PM (2ArJQ)

70 Is Coors light really a beer?

Posted by: Journolist at November 24, 2012 07:26 PM (Td5Ie)

Technically, it's cowboy koolaid.

Posted by: Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:27 PM (kpCLl)

71 Help me!

Wife and I did the belated TGiving for her family today, and my BIL WILL.NOT.GO.HOME. I mean, I'm upstairs typing this, and he still doesn't get the message. These people have been here since 1300, and all but he and his brood have left. They show no sign of leaving. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH.

Posted by: pep at November 24, 2012 07:29 PM (6TB1Z)

72 11 The math movie Pi from 1998 is underrated.

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You mean "Pi: Faith in Chaos"? Heard good things about it have a copy squirreled away, but ain't watched it yet.

Brother in law saw Life of Pi ladt night. Said it was boring.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 24, 2012 07:29 PM (pFBJd)

73 Ten minutes there, Doctor Fish. I'm waiting.
You posted the sonofabitch, now stand up and defend your thesis.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 07:29 PM (qaVK+)

74 "Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys,
lumberjacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers,
corporate executives, soldiers, athletes, and generally anyone who works
productively outside government..."

***

Pssst.... Police officers and soldiers work for the government. And for the last fifty years, a lot of medical doctors do too for all practical purposes.

Posted by: Well, it's true at November 24, 2012 07:29 PM (u3N3z)

75 60
I imagine, while reading this, that it's voiced by some dude with a
beard and leather patches on the elbows of his corduroy sportcoat...


You rang?

Posted by: Leonard Pinth Garnell, critic, really bad theater at November 24, 2012 07:30 PM (6TB1Z)

76 @72 It is in black and white and if you don't like math nerds you won't like it.

Posted by: magic hat #9 at November 24, 2012 07:31 PM (Kflw4)

77 So does anyone want to review the review?

I'll start. Torturedly faux.

Posted by: ErikW at November 24, 2012 07:31 PM (uVLXX)

78 Flatbush - bingo.

by design with a few diggs thrown in.

Posted by: Journolist at November 24, 2012 07:31 PM (Td5Ie)

79 I elected not to read the book as soon as I found out it wasn't about the mathematical constant. Tonight I learn that L'il Barry liked it: http://preview.tinyurl.com/bojdp2v. 'Nuff said. If L'il Barry ever hada philosophy class, he was clearly choomed out for the important parts.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:31 PM (1V6Pv)

80 powerball thread?

Posted by: soothsayer
.........
Yeah.. don't bother.. I already got the winning numbers.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 24, 2012 07:31 PM (UTq/I)

81 14 The pivotal event of societal evolution was the invention of beer...

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All that text and youforgot tome too the key role played by a young Albert Einstein, who split the beer atom, putting fizz into beer.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 24, 2012 07:32 PM (pFBJd)

82 Wow, thanks! My sister-in-law's sister-in-law (what can I say? It was Thanksgiving dinner) recommended "Life of Pi" with enthusiasm. ... but, it sounds like something I'd have to go to confession for afterward! ...guess I'll skip it.

Susan Lee

Posted by: Susan Lee at November 24, 2012 07:32 PM (ELoCe)

83 Elbow patches are cool.

Posted by: Van Walmsley at November 24, 2012 07:33 PM (Kflw4)

84 From the wiki God
Postmodernism is a general and wide-ranging term which is applied to many disciplines, including literature, art, economics, philosophy, architecture, fiction, and literary criticism. Postmodernism is largely a reaction to scientific or objective efforts to explain reality. There is no consensus among scholars on the precise definition. In essence, postmodernism is based on the position that reality is not mirrored in human understanding of it, but is rather constructed as the mind tries to understand its own personal reality. Postmodernism is therefore skeptical of explanations that claim to be valid for all groups, cultures, traditions, or races, and instead focuses on the relative truths of each person (i.e. postmodernism = relativism). In the postmodern understanding, interpretation is everything; reality only comes into being through our interpretations of what the world means to us individually. Postmodernism relies on concrete experience over abstract principles, arguing that the outcome of one's own experience will necessarily be fallible and relative, rather than certain or universal.
These people are fucking nuts

Posted by: Alex at November 24, 2012 07:34 PM (aPAIU)

85 Posted by: Thorvald
...........
I aced PHI 101cause it was just pure bullshit. It prepared me well for being able to laugh loudly at folks who would admit they were philosophy majors. I'm sure Barry did pretty good in philosophy.. as I said.. all bullshit.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 24, 2012 07:34 PM (UTq/I)

86 Yeah.. don't bother.. I already got the winning numbers.

you bastid!


*wonders if I can get a refund*

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2012 07:35 PM (xpyi2)

87
Elbow patches are cool.

Posted by: Van Walmsley at November 24, 2012 07:33 PM (Kflw4)

Uh, no. Just no.

Posted by: Extreme cheerleaders at November 24, 2012 07:35 PM (kpCLl)

88 Oh bore-other.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 07:36 PM (/tk/V)

89 Hey I'm heading out to the beach to a party. You kids play nice. Oh and Drew, don't take yourself and these her posty posts so seriously.

Cheers.

Posted by: Journolist at November 24, 2012 07:36 PM (PgKjD)

90 powerball thread?



Posted by: soothsayer
.........
Yeah.. don't bother.. I already got the winning numbers.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 24, 2012 07:31 PM (UTq/I)

You should really share them with us. comrade!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 24, 2012 07:36 PM (Cnqmv)

91 Have you ever liked a movie adapted from a book you didn't like?

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Two I can think of off the top of my head.

Vertigo and the Birds. Both were based on crappy French short stories but both are great movies.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 24, 2012 07:36 PM (VlXYw)

92 during the movie American Pie a new value for pi was put forth, by briandennehy.
His role as a pie distributor and phoney scientist is perhaps one of the most underated performances in movie history.

Posted by: condemned shithead at November 24, 2012 07:37 PM (TYdrI)

93 Please tell me we are gonna get a Fighting Irish v. University of Spoiled Children thread . . .

Posted by: Extreme cheerleaders at November 24, 2012 07:38 PM (kpCLl)

94 Oops.

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:38 PM (kpCLl)

95 Hey I'm heading out to the beach to a party.

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I'm guessing you don't live in Wisconsin.

Posted by: mama winger at November 24, 2012 07:39 PM (P6QsQ)

96 The last time I watched an Ang Lee movie he had some guy running right up the side of a two-story brick wall. I understand he went directly from that to cowboys buggering each other. Add in "paganism," and you've got--Postmodernism!

Posted by: Cricket at November 24, 2012 07:40 PM (2ArJQ)

97 These people are fucking nutsPosted by: Alex at November 24, 2012 07:34 PM (aPAIU)The reigning philosophy of our time, tovarich, and probably much more influential in our own lives than we might want to admit. I see it quite a bit here on the HQ...

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 07:40 PM (0QGaA)

98 Was watching UCLA/Stanford, switch over to SC/Clemson.I'll probablywatch ND/USC later on. I guess I'll root for ND. I can't stand USC. I don't know who I want to win the BCS Championship. Anybody but Alabama. That coach is a douche. I work with one ND fan (the boss) so maybe I can score some suck up points. Plus there are alot of Catholic haters here for some reason. I'm a Bible thumping evangelical andI find that hate.....odd. I don't have an issue with Catholics. It it wasn't for the Catholic church, we'd all bemuslim.Anyway, ND winning will tweek them and that will amuse me.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2012 07:40 PM (15w2J)

99 @85 When I majored in it, there was no 101. It started at 205. Freshmen were not allowed in, from sad experience of what stepping twice into the same river could do to the weak.

I aced "Heat I." Now I can tell all the physicists they're full of shit. See the subtle kind of comparison I'm making there? Is it possible -- not a sure thing, but, you know, just a chance -- that there is some aspect of this study that you didn't quite get a grip on, in your one lower-level intro course?

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 07:40 PM (qaVK+)

100 @85 One of the best philosophers of the last century told me it was nonsense on stilts.
But at least most of us don't live in Chicago.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:41 PM (1V6Pv)

101 Please tell me who's carrying the ND vs USC game.
I want em both to lose.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 07:42 PM (PNi9V)

102 Ok, well, I didn't get that at all. I probably won't go see it, cause I just know something's going to happen to that poor tiger and I'll cry, so nope, not interested.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 24, 2012 07:42 PM (ulzt7)

103
Gonna make another gay cowboy movie. After all we have a gay POTUS. C'mon, it's obvious!

Posted by: Ang Lee at November 24, 2012 07:43 PM (wIgpo)

104 Can you say "taqqiya"? I think you can.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bsxtc58

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:43 PM (1V6Pv)

105 ABC is going to show my Fighting Irish's glorious victory over USC. 8 eastern.

Posted by: Palandine at November 24, 2012 07:43 PM (g7D8V)

106 Please tell me who's carrying the ND vs USC game.

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I think it's on ABC.

Posted by: mama winger at November 24, 2012 07:43 PM (P6QsQ)

107 Oh wait, this is not a open thread? Oops. That movie looked pretentious and silly so I'll skip it. Post-modernism is the religion of the age. I'll stick with the bitter clinging Bible thumpers thank you.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2012 07:45 PM (15w2J)

108 I don't hate on Catholics. Started hating on Catholic university's when they put on their barky knee pads.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 07:46 PM (cWpCn)

109 Posted by: Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:26 PM (kpCLl)

Oh please God. More than I am an ND fan I hate USC with the heat of a thousand suns. No offense.

I just ran into a few too many really shitty USC fans during my time in south bend.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 07:47 PM (s765P)

110 Again from the wiki god
"Nihilism ( /ˈnaɪ.ɨlɪzəm/ or /ˈniː.ɨlɪzəm/; from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological or metaphysical/ontological forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist."
This is even more nuts

Posted by: Alex at November 24, 2012 07:47 PM (aPAIU)

111
I am definitely not qualified to discuss post modernism a bunch, but what happens when reality runs into your construct? Is there blood? Laughter?

Does one reappraise the idea, or run, hide and make up a reason for the failure of the idea?

Posted by: irongrampa at November 24, 2012 07:48 PM (SAMxH)

112 Thank you Palandine!

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 07:48 PM (cWpCn)

113 44 The problem with Ang Lee directing is the tiger doesn't show until almost an hour into the movie.

So, in this movie the tiger is hidden? Is there a crouching dragon?

Posted by: no good deed at November 24, 2012 07:49 PM (Nh6ap)

114 This is even more nuts

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

Posted by: shit Brian Dennehy said in some movie at November 24, 2012 07:50 PM (hO9ad)

115 I watched the halftime battle of the bands between Grambling and Southern today.

See if you can guess the first word spelled by the Southern marching band?

Posted by: Sponge at November 24, 2012 07:50 PM (nDcVA)

116 @111 You cheat.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:50 PM (1V6Pv)

117 Obama?

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 07:50 PM (tkoGU)

118 You too mama winger!

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 07:50 PM (cWpCn)

119 I am definitely not qualified to discuss post modernism a bunch, but
what happens when reality runs into your construct? Is there blood?
Laughter?


It's similar to what happens to any phenomena in the real world that can be accurately modeled as exponential growth over most of its run.

Posted by: Methos at November 24, 2012 07:51 PM (hO9ad)

120 111
I am definitely not qualified to discuss post modernism a bunch, but what happens when reality runs into your construct? Is there blood? Laughter?

Does one reappraise the idea, or run, hide and make up a reason for the failure of the idea?
Posted by: irongrampa at November 24, 2012 07:48 PM (SAMxH)
Perception is reality, so call it a different name.....In all seriousness, I see itmost often applied to morality - there are no absolute rights or wrongs, but merely what works for you. Hence the ever-increasing emphasis on tolerance as a virtue.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 07:52 PM (0QGaA)

121 Can you say "taqqiya"? I think you can.

That's at least 3 riots and a dozen fatwas.

Posted by: DaveA at November 24, 2012 07:52 PM (Xefrb)

122 117 Obama?
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 07:50 PM (tkoGU)


DING DING DING!!!

We have a winner!!!

I turned it off after that.

Posted by: Sponge at November 24, 2012 07:54 PM (nDcVA)

123 Posted by: irongrampa at November 24, 2012 07:48 PM (SAMxH)

Reality? Reality is a construct of western masculine heteronormativity used to coerce all those not in the privileged group to acquiesce to their assigned societal, sexual, and cultural roles.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 07:54 PM (s765P)

124 This is even more nuts

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Posted by: shit Brian Dennehy said in some movie at November 24, 2012 07:50 PM (hO9ad)

Drivel.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 07:54 PM (bWwMZ)

125 @99 Now, Heat, that's something!
Why does friction produce heat?
How does heat "flow" in solids Is it conduction?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:55 PM (1V6Pv)

126 Oh please God. More than I am an ND fan I hate USC with the heat of a thousand suns. No offense.

no shit, elizabethe . . . USC takes arrogance to a whole new level. There were a couple of guys at the bar earlier, on their way to the game. One of 'em was at least 6'5" and wearing a full-on leprechaun outfit (rented for the occasion). They're in the 14th row and I know we are all gonna see 'em on the tee vee. Hopefully, they will survive the night in the ghetto.

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:55 PM (kpCLl)

127 "...convincing the world he didn't exist."

Well call me snooki and raise my rent.
Brian got one right.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 07:55 PM (M7Cfv)

128 Gay Cowboys was a cultural low point. I use the reference to infuriate people occasionally, otherwise not worth a shit.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 24, 2012 07:56 PM (6H6FZ)

129 I was really hoping I was wrong.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 07:56 PM (tkoGU)

130 They never make movies about e, (2.7182 -- much more powerful uses than Pi.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 07:57 PM (PALjS)

131 I was actually shocked when they did it, Lincoln.

Keep fuckin that chicken, I guess.

Posted by: Sponge at November 24, 2012 07:57 PM (nDcVA)

132 Why does friction produce heat?
How does heat "flow" in solids Is it conduction?
Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:55 PM (1V6Pv)

The origin of heat from friction is not yet fully understood.

Solids, you say. Mostly empty space, loaded with fields and forces, tons of motion and mechanisms for energy transfer.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 07:57 PM (bWwMZ)

133 Just got back from buying five quick picks. If Shrimp wins, I expect her to fund Aceapalooza 2013.

Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 07:58 PM (OQpzc)

134 I think I've waited long enough for @14 to hand out the drink orders.

Coors Light is made by a firm called "Molson Coors." Does that sound domestic?
Budweiser and its "family of brands," including some imitations of imports and craft beers, are owned by the former Interbrew, of Brussels, Belgium.

Miller and its "family," sadly including Leienkugel, are owned by SAB, that is, South African Breweries Ltd, of London, UK.

Volume brewing and the associated distribution is a completely unionized industry. And yet people who will not ride in an American company's car will drink those "products" and fell patriotic about it. I don't think that's very consistent. Foreign ownership, union workforce. Let's face it, this is an excuse for buying cheap. If you really don't care about beer, and just buy whatever is cheap, that is all right. Just admit it and say so.

Incidentally, we have a lot of great beer in the US. But beware! Some of it may be made by guys with beards! Jesus christ, we couldn't have that now.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 07:58 PM (qaVK+)

135 They never make movies about e, (2.7182 -- much more powerful uses than Pi.
Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 07:57 PM (PALjS)

e voted for Reagan.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (bWwMZ)

136 I am definitely not qualified to discuss post modernism a bunch, but
what happens when reality runs into your construct? Is there blood?
Laughter?

Epicycles.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (BF5Y9)

137 Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at November 24, 2012 07:55 PM (kpCLl)

My prayers are with him.

Lets just say the closest I've ever come to getting in an actual fist fight was when two USC chicks sat behind my friends and I in the ND student section during a game.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (s765P)

138 @132 Model heat flow in soil for me, please. I have a coupla hundred bucks I can spare for you....

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (1V6Pv)

139 @ 123

Then, Elizabethe ( I like that spelling) reality has to be patriarchal in order to work, right?

Otherwise those pesky wimmens would have undue influence.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (SAMxH)

140 The only way this movie will be a winner is if it is done in 3.14 minutes.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (ZOf1l)

141 @132 Model heat flow in soil for me, please. I have a coupla hundred bucks I can spare for you....
Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (1V6Pv)

Infrared pulse.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 08:01 PM (bWwMZ)

142 I don't drink beer that makes me pucker like I just licked a butt. Therefore, most microbrews are out.

Posted by: Sponge at November 24, 2012 08:01 PM (nDcVA)

143 I don't drink beer that makes me pucker like I just licked a butt. Therefore, most microbrews are out.
Posted by: Sponge at November 24, 2012 08:01 PM (nDcVA)

Bitter hops are a cheap grab at authenticity and quality.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 08:03 PM (bWwMZ)

144 37




I watched Batman finally. It was okay. Bain's voice was goofy. And Patrjck Leahy is in it, which annoyed me.





Posted by: soothsayer at November 24, 2012 07:06 PM (4cIby)

I watched it last night. Couldn't understand Bain for the first half of the movie. Guess it took that long to adjust to the voice. I thought that asshole Leahy was one of the directors, about fell off my chair when he popped up. Then thought...nah...couldn't be...he's too busy doing nothing in congress to grab a few K being a movie extra.

Posted by: JMKN1 at November 24, 2012 08:03 PM (JMKN1)

145 Ballantine India Pale Ale in the green bottle. So good. So gone.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 24, 2012 08:03 PM (6H6FZ)

146 I'm pulsing but dirt ain't gettin' hotter. What am I doing wrong? Drinking the wrong beer?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 08:04 PM (1V6Pv)

147 I don't drink beer that makes me pucker like I just licked a butt. Therefore, most microbrews are out.

What am I chopped liver? That's how I started.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 24, 2012 08:04 PM (ZOf1l)

148 @125 You know who wrote a treatise on that? Rene Descartes, that's who.
It's all about the plena -- the invisible empty space between particles. And he reasoned that out sitting by his fireside, tapping a block of beeswax on his chair arm. Well, after 20 years as a surgeon in the artillery, that is. Just a dreamer.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 08:04 PM (qaVK+)

149 This thread failed to answer if their are boobies in this movie. I am disappointing in this critical lack of information and may reconsider my premium AOSHQ subscription if oversights like this continue.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 24, 2012 08:05 PM (KCvsd)

150 So...Life of Pi = yet another piece of pretentious Hollywood twaddle for fuckwits to prattle about how enlightened they are when compared to us lowly members of the hoi-polloi. How nice.


Mike Morrison...how we miss ya...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 24, 2012 08:05 PM (DaUUd)

151 110
Nihilism can also take epistemological or metaphysical/ontological forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist."


Cool! So I can be a billionaire or a superhero just by wishing it, right?

That will do wonders for my self-esteem.

Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2012 08:05 PM (sdi6R)

152 140
The only way this movie will be a winner is if it is done in 3.14 minutes.


Or maybe just a smidge longer.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2012 08:05 PM (xpyi2)

153 A good, strong, beer I buy at some little hippie-run grocery store is Arrogant Bastard Ale. Very tasty, about 4.50 for a decent-sized bottle. Made in CA, per the label.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 08:06 PM (tkoGU)

154 71
Help me!

Wife and I did the belated TGiving for her family today,
and my BIL WILL.NOT.GO.HOME. I mean, I'm upstairs typing this, and he
still doesn't get the message. These people have been here since 1300,
and all but he and his brood have left. They show no sign of leaving.
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH.


They're still here. Whimper.

Posted by: pep at November 24, 2012 08:06 PM (6TB1Z)

155 Hence the ever-increasing emphasis on tolerance as a virtue.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 07:52 PM (0QGaA)

Unless of course....you are a Christian or Conservative or both...then no room for tolerance!!! from these "open minded" forward leaning......how should I put it....idiots.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 08:06 PM (PALjS)

156 It's great...to be...a Floooooorida Gaaaaaator!



Ok. Sorry. Had to do it.


We now return to the intelligent discourse of this smart military blog.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 24, 2012 08:06 PM (GEICT)

157 Something I need to say about ND
I really like Mantai Te'o. Very good linebacker but was more impressed with the short interview after the OU game.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 08:06 PM (ma+gB)

158 Posted by: irongrampa at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (SAMxH)

No well in "real" postmodernism, as I understand, reality, to the extent we can understand is really constructed by the observer, so reality itself isn't masculine, but masculine people have somehow managed to push their view of reality better than others.

In standpoint theory, they believe there actually is a reality and underprivileged people are actually in a better position to understand it than those in power, even though the powerful comtrol thr accepted version of it. That's what Sotomayer was talking about with her "wise Latina " comment.

I' m sure I am messing this up somehow, but that's good enough for freshman Phil.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:07 PM (s765P)

159 @150 I hear that! Give me a nice Howard Hawks movie any day.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 08:07 PM (1V6Pv)

160 I drink blended scotch. It's a sign of weakness (blended is girly, don't you think?)

Saw WreckIt Ralph today with the kids. Was cute! My daughter has a tic disorder, so it made her kind of quiet and sad. Wasn't expecting THAT!

they should put warnings on some of these kiddie films.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 24, 2012 08:07 PM (J6kXj)

161 They're still here. Whimper.


Posted by: pep at November 24, 2012 08:06 PM (6TB1Z)

I feel your pain, pep. You don't have any really bad music you could blast at full volume? If not, maybe go down and chat with them for a few minutes and then get a stricken look on your face and mumble something about having pooped your pants. Just trying to be helpful here . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 24, 2012 08:08 PM (kpCLl)

162 So...Life of Pi = yet another piece of pretentious Hollywood twaddle for fuckwits to prattle about how enlightened they are when compared to us lowly members of the hoi-polloi. How nice.


Mike Morrison...how we miss ya...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 24, 2012 08:05 PM (DaUUd)

Try the book Cloud Atlas. You can take it straight and see how lefties would just lap it up, or you can see it as intended or unintended satire, and snigger at them in silence.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 08:08 PM (bWwMZ)

163 Manti Te'o is good people. Don't judge ND by the fact that the President of the university is a moral weakling who invited the tyrant to speak at a graduation.

Palandine, class of '93

Posted by: Palandine at November 24, 2012 08:08 PM (g7D8V)

164 @153 Yep, not bad a'tall! But do you suppose for a moment that's what the original author of @14 meant by "domestic beer"? Because I don't think so.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 08:08 PM (qaVK+)

165 Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 24, 2012 07:59 PM (BF5Y9)

Lol excellent answer!

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:09 PM (s765P)

166 Skyfall was pretty darn good

Posted by: brak at November 24, 2012 08:09 PM (RBQss)

167 their=there, like it matters on a weekend after some drinking.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 24, 2012 08:10 PM (KCvsd)

168 Ang Lee...How I loved Ang Lee. He is the one that makes me miss Jake Gyllenhaal's sweet tight ass the most.

Posted by: Zombie Heath Ledger at November 24, 2012 08:10 PM (ZOf1l)

169 Brent Mussberger. Still alive. Imagine that.

Posted by: mama winger at November 24, 2012 08:11 PM (P6QsQ)

170 Don't judge ND by the fact that the President of the university is a moral weakling who invited the tyrant to speak at a graduation.

Palandine, class of '93
Posted by: Palandine at November 24, 2012 08:08 PM (g7D8V)

This.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:11 PM (s765P)

171 If not, maybe go down and chat with them for a few minutes and then get a
stricken look on your face and mumble something about having pooped
your pants.


--------------



I like the way your mind works, Peaches. Very crafty.

Posted by: mama winger at November 24, 2012 08:11 PM (P6QsQ)

172 169
Brent Mussberger. Still alive. Imagine that.


Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 24, 2012 08:12 PM (wR+pz)

173 It's no "Porky's."

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 24, 2012 08:14 PM (ky8o3)

174 Oh, don't pay me no nevermind Palandine. I'm just a cantankerous old man.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 08:14 PM (cWpCn)

175 Ang Lee...How I loved Ang Lee. He is the one that makes me miss Jake Gyllenhaal's sweet tight ass the most.
Posted by: Zombie Heath Ledger at November 24, 2012 08:10 PM (ZOf1l)

That movie had all the sophistication and originality of a bologna sandwich.

It was, like too much art, the obvious all dolled up to look cool and filled with deep meaning.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 08:15 PM (bWwMZ)

176 Brent Mussberger. Still alive. Imagine that.

Don't worry, he Madden and Abe Vigoda will be the class of 2013.

Posted by: They die in threes. at November 24, 2012 08:15 PM (ZOf1l)

177 Don't judge ND by the fact that the President of the university is a
moral weakling who invited the tyrant to speak at a graduation.


Why not?

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 24, 2012 08:15 PM (QTHTd)

178 Pep, can you invent someplace that you need to go? Either the whole family or just you?

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:15 PM (s765P)

179 Pope Benedict gave a very important little talk on the topic of relativism.

He called it the Dictatorship of Relativism.

He was Cardinal Ratzinger when he gave it. The other Cardinals heard it and elected him Pope.

Linked it in my URL. If you have a little time it's riveting.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 24, 2012 08:15 PM (7nwJ6)

180
The thing with post-modernism is that it is based on the fact that humans, contra Locke, do not merely receive emperical data but interpret it according to a pre-conceived understanding of how the world works (a paradigm). This is why, for example, conservatives and liberals can look at exactly the same facts and come to such differing interpretations. Post-modernism is essentially a happy nihilism in that it dispairs of ever being able to actually go beyond one's personal biases andparadigms and reach even an imperfect understanding of reality. With reality unknowable, the energy of post-modernism is devoted towards creating the pleasantest illusion possible.
Language is an important part of this - post-modernism started off as a literary theory. Language is, after all, a human construct - words do not have any meaning apart from those mutually agreed-on by listener and speaker, and meanings change over time and are often imperfect means of communicating ideas. Pretty much everyone has had experience with this at one point or another. Words also carry emotional baggage, which is why most people curse, and why we use euphemisms to avoid using particular words when we do not wish to excite emotions that might be raised if we used to the standard word (eg: "choice" versus "dismembering an unborn baby alive"). The post-modern insight was that language itself has can change our perception of reality, and since they believe reality is inaccessible and therefore irrelevent, control of language (including narrative, not just vocabulary) isperhaps the mostimportant tool for constructing (perceived) reality.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 08:16 PM (0QGaA)

181 All I want to know is if Hulk smashes the boat?

Posted by: no good deed at November 24, 2012 08:17 PM (Nh6ap)

182 Pep, can you invent someplace that you need to go? Either the whole family or just you?
Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:15 PM (s765P)

SNL back in the Seventies had a sketch about "The Thing That Wouldn't Leave"

Play it for them.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 08:17 PM (bWwMZ)

183 132 Why does friction produce heat?
How does heat "flow" in solids Is it conduction?
Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2012 07:55 PM (1V6Pv)

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 07:57 PM (bWwMZ)

Friction although i agree with previous post, , is not 100% understood, it is mostly attributed to the excitement and energy transferred into the molecules and electrons as two surfaces rub against each other.

As for the flow of heat, at the micro scale is similar to the flow of electricity. the ability of electrons to bump into each other at the outer layer or "flow". Heat is also driven by vibration levels of the molecules themselves. ...also the more of a structured lattice at the molecular level the better heat flow you get

Example , since copper has an electron it's outer shell it has the ability to move heat as the outermost electrons are available and excitable and can bump into adjacent molecules to transfer energy

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 08:18 PM (PALjS)

184 Who needs The New Criterion when I have AOSHQ.

Posted by: Corona at November 24, 2012 08:18 PM (fh2Y7)

185 >>>It's no "Porky's."<<<<<

Let us take a moment to remember the late lamented Bob Clark, director of "Porky's", "A Christmas Story", and the greatest PG zombie movie ever made "Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things".

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 24, 2012 08:19 PM (BF5Y9)

186 People who write pretentious movie reviews should be flogged.

With wet noodles.

Spaghetti, 50 lbs, one strand at a time.

With a squirt of lemon juice before each strand.

In each eye.



Right, Ace?

Posted by: east of nowhere at November 24, 2012 08:19 PM (PTmOR)

187 mama winger, I have it on good authority that he and Costas bathe together in virgin blood before broadcast time.

Posted by: ErikW at November 24, 2012 08:19 PM (uVLXX)

188 Palandine, class of '93
Posted by: Palandine at November 24, 2012 08:08 PM (g7D8V)

Isn't that exactly how we should judge them? By the people they chose to rule them?

Posted by: Invictus at November 24, 2012 08:19 PM (OQpzc)

189 So USC lost Barkley for the game and they're starting a noob freshman at QB. If USC wins against this ND defense, it'll be one for the ages.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 08:19 PM (tkoGU)

190 Good Lord. The Song girls.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 24, 2012 08:19 PM (GEICT)

191 Pep: Go downstairs and tell them you just were sick and think you have the flu and hope they haven't caught it too. If that doesn't work, try mortal insults.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 24, 2012 08:19 PM (6H6FZ)

192 #180, Hence why statist have undertaken every effort to undermine the meaning of words which may criticize their subversive activities or challenge their ideas. It is also why they have made great efforts to control narratives. They aren't fighting with ideas, but control of language to the point people can't even articulate arguments or ideas contrary to what the statists desire.

Bastards!

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 24, 2012 08:20 PM (KCvsd)

193 @ 158

And there they lost me. Reality imho, cannot be created, only confronted and interpreted.

This is way above my pay grade, anyway. I prefer to remain a dumb redneck, life is easier that way.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 24, 2012 08:20 PM (SAMxH)

194 @boulder hobo, because like most other universities, even Catholic ones, it does the wrong thing sometimes--in this case, a thing that the VAST majority of alumni opposed (they haven't gotten a dollar from me since then). If every other university with a hell of a football team was judged by the same standard, we'd still look pretty good.

Posted by: Palandine at November 24, 2012 08:20 PM (g7D8V)

195 e voted for Reagan.

Posted by: eman

Thanks. I guess I should have known.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 08:20 PM (PALjS)

196 3.14 Stars.

Posted by: Butters at November 24, 2012 08:21 PM (NIZHJ)

197 171
If not, maybe go down and chat with them for a few minutes and then get a

stricken look on your face and mumble something about having pooped

your pants.


--------------



I like the way your mind works, Peaches. Very crafty.


They're leaving!!!!!

We must never speak of this again.

Posted by: pep at November 24, 2012 08:22 PM (6TB1Z)

198 BlackOrchid - yeah, the movie was good. As far as warnings, um... there were reviews available, which explained the movie in advance.

I hadn't caught that it would have affected those kids with tic disorders. I can see why, now you mention it. But keep in mind - the "glitch" was a protagonist, not a villain . . . and her disability was most definitely not played for laughs.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 24, 2012 08:22 PM (QTHTd)

199 ABC is trying, but there's just no replacing EA.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 24, 2012 08:22 PM (GEICT)

200 I almost didn't read that grey fox, then I saw it was you and scrolled back up.
I've got something for em. See that wall over there? Go beat your head on it for a while then come back and tell me it's not real.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 08:23 PM (JCIjD)

201 The post-modern insight was that language itself has can change our perception of reality, and since they believe reality is inaccessible and therefore irrelevent, control of language (including narrative, not just vocabulary) isperhaps the mostimportant tool for constructing (perceived) reality.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 08:16 PM (0QGaA)

It seems to work. You use tools to get people to perceive things the way you want and then they react the way you want.

Such as: Republicans want to hurt you and Democrats want to help you. The facts say otherwise, but the reality created in their heads says yes this is so. Thus, they vote for the Democrat.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 08:24 PM (bWwMZ)

202 Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 08:18 PM (PALjS)

No offense or disrespect intended, but not everything needs to be explained. You rub your hands together they create heat, that is called friction. Why does it have to be explained anymore than that? We figured out a long time ago that fire creates heat and it wasn't by some great mathematical equation. Sometimes smart people just have to come to the realization that shit just happens.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 24, 2012 08:24 PM (ZOf1l)

203 I won't be seeing Pi, although I like tigers. I have a tiger tattooed on my right shoulder. I knew a guy in the Navy back in the 60's had what we used to call a 'darkie' eating a watermelon tattooed on his belly. That was some funny stuff. Wait a minute, I have a piece of pecan and a piece of pumpkin pie left!

Posted by: EROWMER at November 24, 2012 08:24 PM (kxlCQ)

204 Irongrampa, if you pressed them some might say there was something there, some reality but they might say it supports many more interpretations than the one we are told is the one that is really real.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:27 PM (s765P)

205 199 ABC is trying, but there's just no replacing EA.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 24, 2012 08:22 PM (GEICT)


I have her Nekkid on my phone.

Posted by: Sponge at November 24, 2012 08:27 PM (nDcVA)

206 Sometimes smart people just have to come to the realization that shit just happens.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 24, 2012 08:24 PM (ZOf1l)

Dude, some of us like solving scientific mysteries.





Posted by: eman at November 24, 2012 08:28 PM (bWwMZ)

207
I'm somewhat prejudiced against the movie (haven't read the book yet) simply because the first previews I saw for it weren't identifiable as previews--they were commercials about saving the tiger, interspersed with some footage of the film. The whole nine yards about how we need to save what we have brought to the brink of destruction, etc, here's how you can help, no mention whatsoever of the movie.
It didn't make me want to see it when, a few days later, the same footage was present in a trailer actually advertising the movie.

Posted by: barbarausa at November 24, 2012 08:28 PM (WWeoI)

208 ND up 3-0. Time to see what the new kid for USC has.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 08:29 PM (tkoGU)

209 I liked the other older movie Pi. That made sense.

Posted by: Corona at November 24, 2012 08:31 PM (fh2Y7)

210 Now that there is laugh worthy.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 08:32 PM (ma+gB)

211 Lane Kiffin has to be a demo-crat, he sure knows how to fuck people out of money for him and his, smooth talker, kind of reminds me of John Edwards.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 24, 2012 08:33 PM (RCzDO)

212 I don't see a whole lot of mystery solving around here, mostly just a bunch of nerd talk.

Which is fascinating for everyone here.

Posted by: ErikW at November 24, 2012 08:33 PM (uVLXX)

213 202 Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 08:18 PM (PALjS)
We figured out a long time ago that fire creates heat and it wasn't by some great mathematical equation. Sometimes smart people just have to come to the realization that shit just happens. Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 24, 2012 08:24 PM (ZOf1l)

Agreed. Just the fact that something is there is enough for me, you can understand these things simply in the terms of reality and not worry abut that finer theory behind them and that's fine...and I know most people don't give a rats ass about the theory. But I've got a degree with a heat transfer specialization....so when someone asks those questions I tend to answer....thought it was a serious question..For me these things matter, when i'm trying to make sure the stuff I design works so your pilots countermeasures work....heat transfer is an important part of the design. Without understanding heat and how it works, the countermeasure system would overheat....and the enemies shoulder launched missile may actually hit its target.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 08:33 PM (PALjS)

214 USC running right through ND's D. Haven't seen Teo do anything yet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2012 08:34 PM (tkoGU)

215 179 Hopeless:

I read it. That was interesting.

Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2012 08:34 PM (sdi6R)

216 Can someone translate that original post into fuckin' English for me please? It was like trying to read one of those messages from a spam bot that has null semantic content.

Posted by: DanInMN at November 24, 2012 08:34 PM (khf9A)

217 Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 08:16 PM (0QGaA)

Thank you gray fox. I'm on my iPhone. Exceedingly difficult to talk about postmodernism on the iPhone.

What he said.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:34 PM (s765P)

218 200 It's not the existence of the wall that the postmodernist denies. He denies the wall having an intrinsic meaning. To one person the wall is part of a house that keeps them warm and out of the rain, and to another it's an unsightly blot on a natural landscape. Postmodernist says both views are valid and probably can't be reconciled, so everyone's view becomes his own reality. Without a universally valid perspective (God), everybody's right and nobody's right. And God is dead. Postmodernists are big Nietzschefags, even if their interpretations of him are usually ridiculous.

Posted by: kartoffel at November 24, 2012 08:34 PM (OgNv0)

219 200I almost didn't read that grey fox, then I saw it was you and scrolled back up.
I've got something for em. See that wall over there? Go beat your head on it for a while then come back and tell me it's not real.Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 08:23 PM (JCIjD)
I have to say that is one of the nicest things anyone has said to me in a long time.Regarding the wall: I believe that it isn't so much that they deny the existence of physical reality -I suspect that most are big fans of "science"- it is that they are basically agnostic about the meaning of reality. Their head would hurt, but they would consider it your fault for having suggested that they bang it on the wall (because it makes them feel better) and regard your declaration that it was their own fault for having done such a silly thing as merely your own way of feeling better about the world and no more inherently valid than their interpretation."I reject yourreality and substitute my own" is primarily a statement about value and meaning, not the existence and locationof matter.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 08:35 PM (0QGaA)

220 @202 Omigosh, you sound like me doing engineering. You know that ain't right. Sure, it works, as long as all you've got is two hands that are cold. What about when the heat is, you know, a bad thing in your project, and you'd like to figure out how to make less of it? Isn't a mathematical-level understanding of the heat-making process a real paarful tool to approach that?

On your side of the argument, a great deal of theoretical sub-atomic physics is just as bone-headed as postmodern relativism. In fact, its practitioners get along pretty well, and see them as somehow connected. Watch out for those guys.

I have argued for some time that given the choice of learning the history of thought and figuring out your own engineering, or learning engineering and leaving the higher thought to others, you'll actually do less damage winging it with the engineering. To that end, I've built a car and several buildings and I'm still alive. Every day I see the sad consequence of otherwise well-trained people led through a Roman wilderness of pain by their lack of understanding of ethics (the study, not the buzzword), aesthetics (that's movie reviews to you) and epistemology (how did you know?)

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 08:35 PM (qaVK+)

221 180 --- Sweet. That is one fine synopsis of po-mo, Grey Fox.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 24, 2012 08:37 PM (C8mVl)

222 Palandine: my problem with what you said isn't quite the point about judging the university.

It's that you seemed to identify yourself with the university.

Don't.

I myself attended a university, way back when. That university was a politically-correct hellhole. I never donate to the place - my parents had to pay tuition, and that's more money than they deserve. It's just somewhere I had to punch my ticket, to get a semi-decent job.

The universities are not your buddies. They are all claiming a whole load of alma-mater, school-spirit bullshit but at the end, they all serve the "Clerisy", the liberal Matrix under which we all must live.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 24, 2012 08:38 PM (QTHTd)

223 Dude, some of us like solving scientific mysteries.

Well then keep trying, because smarter people than you or I haven't done it yet.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 24, 2012 08:39 PM (ZOf1l)

224
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 24, 2012 08:37 PM (C8mVl)

Thanks.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 08:40 PM (0QGaA)

225 Movie review translated:

Life of pi has a lot of splashy cinematic effects concealing a fundamentally postmodernist, pantheistic, and possibly nihilistic messages that the critics are eating up without understanding.

Plus journalist is grumpy because he fell ass backwards over a cone at a five k race..... Lol!!!!!!

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:42 PM (s765P)

226 The University is a provider of services and you are a consumer. That's it.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 24, 2012 08:44 PM (6H6FZ)

227 @223, Some folks fancy themselves as "brighter" than the rest of us and therefore entitled to their mission.

For those of us who dare to question their intelligence or motives are beyond the pale and unworthy of any sort of consideration on their part.

Posted by: ErikW at November 24, 2012 08:46 PM (uVLXX)

228 223
Well then keep trying, because smarter people than you or I haven't done it yet. Posted by: Samuel Adams





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Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 08:46 PM (PALjS)

229 Well I need to get off here and watch the game.
And Mr Fox, not being missy up but I'm always glad you're here when certain discussions come up. I can just sit back and let you handle it much better than I.
Later gators.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 24, 2012 08:47 PM (+jNI+)

230 Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2012 08:35 PM (0QGaA)

There are big debates within the philosophy of science about scientific realism, scientific relativism and all that. Leftys are their using postmodernism to tear down that edifice as well.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:49 PM (s765P)

231 Sometimes smart people just have to come to the realization that shit just happens.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 24, 2012 08:24 PM (ZOf1l)


Engineers want to figure out why shit happens so they can make shit happen again, and possibly use that to make different but similar shit happen. Techs just know that shit happens and want to know how to keep making it happen so the engineers won't bother the shit out of us about why the lights are out. Post-modernists don't deny that shit happens, they just don't care why shit happens and want to debate the meaning of the shit.

I just want to bury them in shit and let them think happy joy joy thoughts forever as long as they leave me alone.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 24, 2012 08:53 PM (DaUUd)

232 Help...I'm in a boutique with my wife. Help!!

Posted by: Journolist at November 24, 2012 08:57 PM (WI2es)

233 @225 Elizabethe, good work as far as you go but you don't get the "Grey Fox Summation Award." Journo made one point (I know, right? One point in that swamp of verbiage?) that you don't mention. He says that there is a real meaning, a real message concealed behind the gloss of po-mo, that most will not see, or care to dig for. And that little gem almost makes the phoney-baloney modern talk worth wading through.

An earlier critic said something similar about two vapid entertainments of her time. The programming in question was the first James Bond movie, and the early version of the TV show "The Avengers." The reviewer: Ayn Rand. She used fewer words.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 08:58 PM (qaVK+)

234 Plus journalist is grumpy because he fell ass backwards over a cone at a five k race..... Lol!!!!!!

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 24, 2012 08:42 PM (s765P)


Instead of running backwards exhorting his co-runners to go faster maybe he should have been SingTFU and running forwards so he could, you know, win the f'n race. I'm sure he has a perfectly logical reason for it. Maybe he was a coach not a participant? I dunno.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 24, 2012 08:59 PM (DaUUd)

235 Wth? Why?!?!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 24, 2012 09:00 PM (GEICT)

236 Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 08:58 PM (qaVK+)



In answer to your previous question...anything by either Sierra Nevada or Widmer Brothers. IMO, Widmer Brothers Drifter Pale Ale is the best bottled substance ever brewed, YMMV (which means you have the right to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is, )

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 24, 2012 09:02 PM (DaUUd)

237 232 Help...I'm in a boutique with my wife. Help!! Posted by: Journolist at November 24, 2012 08:57 PM



There's nothing you could have done had you been there Luke. You'd have been killed too....and the droids would now be in the hands of the empire.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 09:04 PM (PALjS)

238
"Have you ever liked a movie adapted from a book you didn't like? "

One for sure: "The Thin Man". I loved the movie with William Powell and Myrna Loy, so I then read the novel, thinking it would be even better. I hated it. Something about Dashiell Hammett's writing makes me feel dirty - everyone in his novel was so ugly and there was a strong whiff of perversion in it. Ugh. The movie, though, is a delight - witty, sarcastic and full of life. I can watch it over and over.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 24, 2012 09:05 PM (FkH4y)

239 Elizabethe,

>>>>There are big debates within the philosophy of science about scientific
realism, scientific relativism and all that. Leftys are their using
postmodernism to tear down that edifice as well.<<<<<<

Materialism has been such a driving force in science they are having trouble adapting to the realization that matter isn't made out of anything.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 24, 2012 09:07 PM (BF5Y9)

240 @236 And when you go into a bar and say "What are your domestic beers?" Do they reel off a list of Sierra Nevada and Widmer Brothers? No they do not.

Go and read the rant at 14 and tell me it's not a panegyric to Bud Light.
It's a lard-ass puppy-whizzer doing to the art of zymurgy what that social-worker did at the Tomb of The Unknowns.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 09:09 PM (qaVK+)

241 Widmer Brothers Drifter Pale Ale is the best bottled substance ever brewed, YMMV (which means you have the right to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is, )
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 24, 2012 09:02


I'll have to try it. My favorite of all time is Steel Rail Pale Ale, from the Berkshire Brewing Company. not sure if they exist anymore....with the obameconomy and all. And I have moved out of that general area in the wake of the 2008 elections. I am currently reviewing all beers made in my shiny new Red state that I live in. This is going to be a long and drawn out process....

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 24, 2012 09:09 PM (PALjS)

242 @239 Sorry, piano guy, I just can't square your statement with all the film clips I have running in my head of Abbott, Costello, Laurel, Hardy, and Harold Lloyd, moving pianos...with their minds!

Maybe we just think they're heavy.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 09:13 PM (qaVK+)

243 I read the book and did not see the movie and in fact the book made me WANT to not see the movie.

The first part of the book is the biography and past of the boy Pi.

The 2nd part is most of the book. It is Pi in a boat. A lot of stuff happens, some of it boring and some of it fantastic and some of it a bit confusing.

If you don't want to know more then stop reading now. NOW.

The last part of the book is the boy Pi being interviewed by some people. The interview presents a different view of the second part of the book. It's kind of like Rashomon, except both views come from Pi yet like Rashomon they are different. You are left to suss out what you want to make of what you are left with. You may or may not be attracted to or repulsed by the interview. There is material that depending on your background by which the book can either make you feel momentarily uplifted, or sad depending on your outlook in life. You might also try to anticipate what the author was like to see if you can suss out what he REALLY intended.

But the book seems to primarily exist to help you sort yourself into one of two groups of people rather than to make any solid commentary on those two groups. It does encourage you to anticipate and understand the likely reaction of those in opposite group and to imagine yourself discussing the book with them either defending the side you are in or regretting it.

If you don't want to know more then stop reading NOW.

I thought it was kind of an ugly trick. It reminds of Mark Twain's "The Mysterious Stranger in that it seems a bit on the cruel, poisonous, and manipulative side. I guess you could see it as kind of a right brain left brain thing. Facts vs. interpretation. Compression vs. decoration and expansion... frivolous gourmet vs. survivalist that sort of thing.

There. I hope I didn't give too much away.

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 24, 2012 09:15 PM (CCHli)

244 So, the book is about...exactly what we've been talking about...to avoid talking about this damn book?

Dude. Heavy.

Oh, one of my favorite "domestic" brewers -- Peace Tree, in Knoxville Iowa.
I was lucky, just being in town for the sprint car races, I went in midday and didn't stumble over all the bearded hippies with patches on their jacket elbows.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 09:21 PM (qaVK+)

245 comatus,

You don't have to be a materialist to believe in an objective reality.

What I meant was that science grabbed hold of matter and kept whacking it into smaller and smaller pieces until there was nothing there, and I mean literally "no thing" in any conventional understanding of the word thing. When you get down to the sub atomic level all we really have is the math and the effects on our instruments of observation. There is no visualization possible and even if you do have some kind of vague thought picture someone can come along tomorrow with better (simpler) math that screws your whole worldview up.


Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 24, 2012 09:35 PM (BF5Y9)

246 "He says that there is a real meaning, a real message concealed behind the gloss of po-mo, that most will not see, or care to dig for. And that little gem almost makes the phoney-baloney modern talk worth wading through."

So, what was it?

Posted by: elizabethe at November 24, 2012 09:40 PM (s765P)

247 Materialism has been such a driving force in science they are having trouble adapting to the realization that matter isn't made out of anything.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 24, 2012 09:07 PM (BF5Y9)

time for a paradigm shift.

Posted by: elizabethe at November 24, 2012 09:41 PM (s765P)

248 Elizabethe: (hangs up stage phone) "He didn't say!"

Come to think of it, all those lectures I heard 40 years ago about "The Need for Meaning"? They didn't say either. It was like the ending of an X-Files episode.

@245 You don't have to be a materialist to believe in an objective reality.
Right. That's how and why we have Objectivists. "Materialism" is a right tricky word though. Used in different ways (pace, po-mo deconstructivists), some a little misleading. Others, even moreso.

But on the Heisenberg approach? Abandon it, I beg of you. That way lies madness. It has softened the great minds of science.

Posted by: comatus at November 24, 2012 09:56 PM (qaVK+)

249 > 232
Help...I'm in a boutique with my wife. Help!!

Just tell her, whatever she tries on, it makes her look fat.

That'll get you both out of there without spending $$$$.

If you want to live with her after that, well... you're on your own.

Posted by: east of nowhere at November 24, 2012 10:04 PM (b9Rly)

250 Thank you so much for the prod to visit the Encyclopedia Britannica and read the entry on 'postmodernism' and the link to 'enlightenment', It was most educational, and dare I say it, enlightening. Which is why I read this blog, for the educational opportunities.

Isn't it amazing that the political party which most claims to be the enlightened party, the party which uses 'reason and logic' to advance it's agenda, which claims for itself 'science' and derides it's opposition as 'anti-science' while proudly celebrating it's 'post-modernism'.

/no sarcasm was intended in the composition of this post, nor should any sarcasm be inferred, despite what you might feel as you read it.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 24, 2012 10:09 PM (sc5sm)

251 Saw it last night with my brother and my 12 y.o. son. Very po-mo. At least it didn't pretend to be something else...it was obvious from the moment Pi tells the author he's a "Buddist Catholic" and feels guilty to thousands of gods. However, Post-modernism bothers me for its denial of any capital T truths, and I think there were Truths in the section of the story taking place on the boat. (Even though that story wasn't true...or was it?). The author in the story, and movie reviews I read prior to seeing it, said it was a story that would "make you believe in God". I didn't get that at all, but I thought it was a good story to postulate that those different personal points of view that make up Post Modernism often are just different retellings of the same universal Truths. There are two stories in this story that are really the same, but different people prefer one version or the other. "And so it goes with God", Pi tells the author. This book/movie won't fly with anyone convinced their particular religion is the one and only true path to and story of God...it should logically offend them. Kind of offended me, but I enjoyed it too and it made me think. There is a new religion of "all of the above" forming right before our eyes but that's been going on hand in hand with globalization and technological advancement...it doesn't make much sense to me to sit and complain that that's happening, which is all this post seemed to...eventually...be doing.

Someone clue me in on what the carnivorous seaweed island covered in meerkats was a metaphor for. It fed and nurtured each day but killed each night. That's been bugging me all day. Reading this post, I thought maybe the island represented rigid ideology, and the good and bad that come with it. The meerkats represent the masses that accept a life living adhering to that rigidity, content in living with the bad in exchange for the comforts of the good. If so, don't be a meerkat Journolist!

I don't like Post-Modernism. But I like Pi. I also like pie.

Posted by: MostlyRight at November 24, 2012 11:31 PM (w9AQ4)

252 But beyond the spectacular and shocking cinematic aesthetics lies an
interesting confluence of plot within a most clever theme trained on
postmodernism.

Hahahahaha. I'm sure you're not a douche because you post here but man....that sentence has concentrated Summer's Eve shooting out of its enormous flaming mangina.

I'm pretty sure most everyone reading this blog knows what the term "postmodernism" means but that's no reason to use it. It reeks of effete lazy literary labia.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

You probably meant it ironically in which case, well done.


Posted by: Roseanne Roseannadanna at November 25, 2012 02:54 AM (IKW4R)

253 251-Wow that was actually a fair and balanced analysis, and since this a moron website that is a compliment. I'm taking a shot in the dark here myself but I feel that the seaweed island was a representation of a circle of life, so to speak. Only instead of a purely beautiful circle of life, it was one that was good and bad entirely by design-the life giving water that provided sustinance and the deadly nature of the organism. (A take on the modern world?) I've only read the book and in the book he finds a fruit that has a human tooth at the center. So maybe Pi leaving the island represents leaving complancency behind ? I don't know either.
And yeah at first glance I thought the author tried way too hard to be multicultural with Pi. But in the end I say fuck it. Pi living a multi-faith life on screen or in print isn't detracting from peoples faith in say, Jesus. Pi represents a peaceful vision, and as a conservative I'm happy with all kinds of different takes on the world provided they aren't spread by the sword (Islam cough cough). I'm telling y'all, we live in a fucked up world. Might as well enjoy touchy feely movies wrapped up in CGi now and then, simply because we have the luxury to be touchy feely as Americans. Damn! Sorry for the novel ladies and gents, but I'm trying to get over that there is no more pie in my house

Posted by: Danny at November 25, 2012 03:22 AM (USOfC)

254 .. And for more po-mo frenzy there's Book Of Mormon, whose thesis basically is that religion is stupid and that you'll do better making your own up, with yourself at the center.

Posted by: Aunt Ralph at November 25, 2012 06:32 AM (1fAuh)

255 Has anyone seen the new Red Dawn? Thinking of going, if only to be disruptive by shouting "Wolverines!" every few minutes or so. On the other hand, maybe I should just go to see Breaking Dawn and shout out "werewolverines!" everytime that Lautner guy appears on screen. Either way, I better sneak in some alcohol to make either one bearable.

Posted by: Boss Crump at November 25, 2012 11:37 AM (UXP6W)

256 Pi discovers God. Pi loves God. Pi experiences his humanity. Pi finds humanity distasteful. Pi can't reconcile his spirituality with his humanity. Pi concludes that God judges him based on his spirituality not on his humanity. The message has a basic spiritual truth. That the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Posted by: Ross at November 25, 2012 11:51 AM (DsEJ7)

257 What a bunch of pontificating tripe, Open Blogger. You should become a junior college professor. There is a vast plethora of films that suit your particular sensibilities. Most blockbusters have at their core a rather hackneyed (at this point) set of Christian principles, which is WHY THEY SELL SO WELL. But far be it for Hollywood to wander off the ranch once in awhile into something New Age-y, and you throw a hissy fit.

Posted by: John the Libertarian at November 25, 2012 02:09 PM (K/ZYd)

258
"Have you ever liked a movie adapted from a book you didn't like?"
Absolutely hated the book 'The Bridges of Madison County'. Absolutely loved the movie, only because of Clint Eastwood~

Posted by: margo at November 25, 2012 10:35 PM (xYEjI)

259 Post-Modernism is nothing new. A combination of Skepticism (which teaches that there is no such thing as truth) and Rationalism (which foolishly puts man above God as the highest authority).

Posted by: RampantConsumerism at November 25, 2012 11:32 PM (eDHo4)






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