Overnight Open Thread (11-22-2012) - Turkey Overdose Edition

Got interrupted by an early arriving turkey and now falling into a post-dinner coma...must not go into the light....

Happy Thanksgiving All!

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Growth of the Bird

At this rate we'll have man-sized turkeys by 2070.

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Why Aren't There Any Thanksgiving Songs?

Well this video from the same folks behind Rebecca Black may explain why.

Our Socialist First Thanksgiving

Well in their defense socialism didn't have the world-wide record of failure and death it has today. And they were smart enough to dump it when they saw it wasn't working.

"It's wrong to say that America was founded by capitalists. In fact, America was founded by socialists who had the humility to learn from their initial mistakes and embrace freedom."

Tryptophan Exonerated?

If you're feeling sleepy after a big Thanksgiving meal, it's the probably the gluttony that's making you tired.

Let's Have Some Peace for Dinner

Hmm deliciously coincidental:

Peace, one of two turkeys pardoned by President Obama last year, was euthanized Monday, according to an official who insisted the timing of the death - days before the Thanksgiving holiday - was not suspicious.

The Turkeys Have Mounted A Counter-Attack!

An obligatory classic.

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And my Twitter spew.

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Comments

1 Nice drumsticks.

Oh, and I'm sure the turkey would be tasty, too.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 22, 2012 11:28 PM (vkUBG)

2 Hola!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2012 11:32 PM (kaalw)

3 No turkey for you Jets

Posted by: The Dude at November 22, 2012 11:32 PM (tw6Ar)

4 more.....pie....please....

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 22, 2012 11:35 PM (BAnPT)

5 Hey, peeps.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 22, 2012 11:35 PM (DoZD+)

6 Nice gams...

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at November 22, 2012 11:35 PM (Dll6b)

7
The Jets ARE the Turkeys.

Gobble gobble!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers at November 22, 2012 11:35 PM (Md8Uo)

8 Brother was cooking. On the menu was "41 Garlic Clove Chicken". I think the recipe called for 40 cloves, but he believes in adding a clove over every recipe's recommendation.

It was the best chicken dinner ever.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 22, 2012 11:35 PM (aI2re)

9 Jerry Jones is the biggest turkey in the world.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 22, 2012 11:36 PM (BAnPT)

10

... and if you're drinking, water still weighs about 62.5 lb / cubic foot.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 22, 2012 11:36 PM (YKF9O)

11 1
Nice drumsticks.



Oh, and I'm sure the turkey would be tasty, too.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 22, 2012 11:28 PM (vkUBG)

Love the bottoms of those drumsticks!

Posted by: Rex Ryan at November 22, 2012 11:36 PM (Zd/NW)

12 It seems like just yesterday that photo was posted.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2012 11:36 PM (piMMO)

13 FYI that's Marylin Monroe in the glamor pic.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 22, 2012 11:37 PM (BAnPT)

14 Oh, and someone needs to kick Suh in the crotch. Someone with stompy boots.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 22, 2012 11:37 PM (aI2re)

15 evening all
I survived the WalMart horde

Posted by: chemjeff at November 22, 2012 11:37 PM (d/5qf)

16 Has anyone tried that beer bread?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2012 11:38 PM (piMMO)

17 Peace, one of two turkeys pardoned by President Obama last year, was euthanized Monday

The other, Muslim Brotherhood, is now free-range.

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2012 11:38 PM (FcR7P)

18 40 cloves on a chicken??? whoa that is one garlicky chicken

Posted by: chemjeff at November 22, 2012 11:38 PM (d/5qf)

19 Maet,

Was the bread any good? Whenever MrsCaniac makes any beer bread, I make sure that she uses Old Speckled Hen for it.. It has a flavor that makes the bread awesome.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 22, 2012 11:39 PM (Zd/NW)

20 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 22, 2012 11:39 PM (JMmQ9)

21 I ate a twenty clove lasagna once. My farts could have stopped an ICBM

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 22, 2012 11:39 PM (BAnPT)

22 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2012 11:38 PM (piMMO)

That specific mix? No but beer bread is awesome as long as you use a wheat beer you actually drink.

Posted by: The Dude at November 22, 2012 11:40 PM (tw6Ar)

23 On the way home from Thanksgiving dinner I witnessed someone violate Rule #1 of a police pull-over: as the cop was getting out of his car the person opened his door. Although it appeared to be a normal stop, I said a prayer for the cop.

Meanwhile, the Wal-Mart and Target parking lots were full.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at November 22, 2012 11:40 PM (6k/7P)

24 evening all
I survived the WalMart horde


****

Was it worth it?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2012 11:40 PM (piMMO)

25 Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 22, 2012 11:39 PM (BAnPT)

So in other words, just like me with all the deviled eggs I ate

Posted by: The Dude at November 22, 2012 11:41 PM (tw6Ar)

26 19 Maet,

Was the bread any good? Whenever MrsCaniac makes any beer bread, I make sure that she uses Old Speckled Hen for it.. It has a flavor that makes the bread awesome.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 22, 2012 11:39 PM (Zd/NW)


I'm a huge fan of cornbread but this is one I haven't tried yet. It gets rave reviews on Amazon so I'm gonna order it soon.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 22, 2012 11:41 PM (XkotV)

27 Went to Wal Mart earlier this evening for non-Black Friday related stuff. There were people sitting beside plastic wrapped bins and Wal Mart people standing around guarding said bins trying to look tough and serious. Kind of a hoot.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 22, 2012 11:42 PM (DoZD+)

28 Was it worth it?

eh - only mildly.

I did get a couple of really good deals. But the crowd was crushing and it was just chaos in there.

I felt sorry for the staff, I really did

Posted by: chemjeff at November 22, 2012 11:43 PM (d/5qf)

29 You know why that Thanksgiving song sucks? You have an old lady singing it!

Posted by: Roman Polanski, Music Critic at November 22, 2012 11:43 PM (Zd/NW)

30 I would feel safer if they got out of the car, rather than me walk up to the window, never did get that policy.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 22, 2012 11:43 PM (XT9YG)

31 Evening roonz and roonettez! I was going out to get something tonight, but I've decided that I didn't need it that bad. And to illustrate the point...I don't remember what it was now, so it must not have been all that important.

Tree is up, fire in the fireplace for the first time in a year and a half at least, and Peggy Lee on the radio. Life is good.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 22, 2012 11:43 PM (yh0zB)

32 My dad had the 40 clove chicken recipe but mom never let him cook it, for some reason. . .

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 22, 2012 11:44 PM (aI2re)

33 Is that Marilyn Monroe with the bird?

Posted by: Tuna at November 22, 2012 11:44 PM (M/TDA)

34 I would feel safer if they got out of the car, rather than me walk up to the window, never did get that policy.


Posted by: rightlysouthern


I put both hands out the window holding license and registration/insurance
That's gotten me out of a couple tickets.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 22, 2012 11:45 PM (BAnPT)

35 21
I ate a twenty clove lasagna once. My farts could have stopped an ICBM


Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 22, 2012 11:39 PM (BAnPT)


Mr. Dept., you have the Israelis on line one....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2012 11:45 PM (kaalw)

36 Hello, morons and 'ettes.

I spent the day at a friend and coworker's house. CW Jr. and I met my friend's kids, spouses and grandkids and enjoyed a delicious dinner. Afterwards, we went to the park for my introduction to disc golf, followed by some Beatles Rock Band and some board games. The best part: politics NEVER came up. It was just a good time with old friends and new ones. That's just what I needed. Hope you got some time today to just enjoy life.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 22, 2012 11:45 PM (5J54Q)

37 13
FYI that's Marylin Monroe in the glamor pic.


Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 22, 2012 11:37 PM (BAnPT)

Any bets on if the turkey banged Marylin? I mean everyone else did, why not the turkey.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 22, 2012 11:45 PM (Zd/NW)

38
Cable never seems to show Jurassic Park 2. Only 1 and 3.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 22, 2012 11:46 PM (DoZD+)

39 23
On the way home from Thanksgiving dinner I witnessed someone violate
Rule #1 of a police pull-over: as the cop was getting out of his car
the person opened his door. Although it appeared to be a normal stop, I
said a prayer for the cop.



Meanwhile, the Wal-Mart and Target parking lots were full.



Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at November 22, 2012 11:40 PM (6k/7P)


I thought Rule #1 was not to go for your glovebox before the cop could see into the car.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 22, 2012 11:47 PM (kaalw)

40 Cable never seems to show Jurassic Park 2. Only 1 and 3.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 22, 2012 11:46 PM (DoZD+)

dog being eaten and frankly two was way more forgettable than the third film

Posted by: The Dude at November 22, 2012 11:47 PM (tw6Ar)

41 Gobble, Gobble Marilyn. Yum. yum

Posted by: CMU VET at November 22, 2012 11:47 PM (dPSpR)

42 Any word on how many Walmart employees actually walked out today?

I saw a story about a store where only one person walked out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 22, 2012 11:48 PM (piMMO)

43 16 Has anyone tried that beer bread? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse



Does hefeweizen count??

Posted by: puddleglum at November 22, 2012 11:48 PM (8SsiG)

44 I got the 12-piece set of Pyrex containers, with 12 lids, for like $20, thought that was a pretty good deal

Posted by: chemjeff at November 22, 2012 11:48 PM (d/5qf)

45 Had Thanksgiving day with the kids. All are hard-wired conservatives. Great day.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 22, 2012 11:49 PM (DoZD+)

46 I would have let Marilyn shoot my Blunderbuss.

Posted by: CMU VET at November 22, 2012 11:49 PM (dPSpR)

47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 22, 2012 11:50 PM (yh0zB)

48 Man sized racist all white meat turkeys...


Yum.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2012 11:50 PM (tzJPE)

49
dog being eaten and frankly two was way more forgettable than the third film




I wasn't complaining. It's the worst of the three. I just find it interesting.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 22, 2012 11:51 PM (DoZD+)

50 shouldn't have eaten the half platter of deviled eggs. Already had a few times where I thought I sharted and I dropped a bomb that enveloped the dining room like a horrible wet blanket when we were eating


Posted by: The Dude at November 22, 2012 11:51 PM (tw6Ar)

51 >>>>I'm a huge fan of cornbread but this is one I haven't tried yet. It gets rave reviews on Amazon so I'm gonna order it soon.

While you're there, be sure to check out my Rancid Beaver Pie.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at November 22, 2012 11:51 PM (pwyhn)

52 God as my witness, I thought Jets could fly

Posted by: Rex Ryan at November 22, 2012 11:53 PM (wwsoB)

53 Pilgrim-babe could make it a Happy Wanksgiving.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 22, 2012 11:53 PM (MuMXt)

54 Going somewhere else for turkey day and not having to do anything....+5



Not having cold turkey right now...-15

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2012 11:54 PM (tzJPE)

55 Is NDH up and about? Or any movie buff amongst us?

I'm being forced to watch War Horse. Is this a horse movie or a war movie? I need to know. It matters. A Spielberg flick so either way might work out for me.

Posted by: L is an elle at November 22, 2012 11:55 PM (0PiQ4)

56 For those poor oppressed Walmart employees, these guys have a message for you


http://tinyurl.com/bgnm4ls

Posted by: kbdabear at November 22, 2012 11:55 PM (wwsoB)

57 http://tinyurl.com/bgnm4ls


Posted by: kbdabear at November 22, 2012 11:55 PM (wwsoB)

nice

Posted by: chemjeff at November 22, 2012 11:56 PM (d/5qf)

58
Posted by: L is an elle at November 22, 2012 11:55 PM (0PiQ4)

horse movie

Posted by: The Dude at November 22, 2012 11:56 PM (tw6Ar)

59 Ya know, I think stores should be closed on Thanksgiving. I don't see why the same damned crap from China can't be on sale tomorrow. Folks should be able to have a glass or two of wine with dinner on Thanksgiving and not worry about screaming hordes of ignorant shoppers. And you notice it is those on the lower end of the employment order who have to do this crap, not the lawyers or doctors or even the teachers, for Pete's sake.

/rant off

Posted by: tcn at November 22, 2012 11:58 PM (VLG62)

60
I'm a huge fan of cornbread but this is one I haven't tried yet. It gets rave reviews on Amazon so I'm gonna order it soon.


Posted by: Mætenloch at November 22, 2012 11:41 PM (XkotV)

Use a flavorful beer. It really ads to the flavor of the bread.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 22, 2012 11:58 PM (Zd/NW)

61 52
God as my witness, I thought Jets could fly


Posted by: Rex Ryan at November 22, 2012 11:53 PM (wwsoB)

Golf clap.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 22, 2012 11:58 PM (Zd/NW)

62 I'm being forced to watch War Horse


Posted by: L is an elle at November 22, 2012 11:55 PM (0PiQ4)


Today i'm thankful for not being in your shoes.

Never seen it, but damn it looks boring.

Posted by: RWC at November 22, 2012 11:59 PM (tzJPE)

63 It's kind of weird that Marilyn Monroe died from an overdose of tryptophan.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 22, 2012 11:59 PM (BVkEs)

64 Mickey Abbott (Robert Reich) doing his John L Lewis impressions for the poor oppressed Wally World Workers

Gets Twitter beatdown

http://tinyurl.com/b8eq8ec

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:00 AM (wwsoB)

65 I'm being forced to watch War Horse. Is this a
horse movie or a war movie? I need to know. It matters. A Spielberg
flick so either way might work out for me.





Posted by: L is an elle at November 22, 2012 11:55 PM (0PiQ4)


I just looked it up. The answer is "yes". (Its the story of a horse in WW1, so it is both)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:00 AM (yh0zB)

66 shouldn't have eaten the half platter of deviled eggs.
Posted by: The Dude

A Lager Beer will set the whole thing off like a Nuke

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 23, 2012 12:01 AM (BAnPT)

67
Posted by: tcn at November 22, 2012 11:58 PM (VLG62)

normally I'd agree with you, but hey, shoppers want to be there even on Thanksgiving.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2012 12:01 AM (d/5qf)

68 Damn, who knew that Charlie Brown was a racist?

The Lefties, that's who!

Holiday jeers: Thanksgiving, America and Charlie Brown attacked as‘racist’

http://tinyurl.com/a2d6af5

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:02 AM (wwsoB)

69 The Dude

So it seems. 15 minutes in and lots of horses. I liked Secretariat and Sea Biscuit but I would have preferred war tonight. Thanks also.

Posted by: L is an elle at November 23, 2012 12:03 AM (0PiQ4)

70 I could not eat that beer bread anyway, and I don't know if it speaks directly to the quality of the product, but the first place I saw that brand was a discount / closeout store - and I've never seen it anywhere else.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at November 23, 2012 12:03 AM (7N4Vf)

71 A Lager Beer will set the whole thing off like a Nuke


Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 23, 2012 12:01 AM (BAnPT)

I'd be Terry Jones eating a mint

Posted by: The Dude at November 23, 2012 12:03 AM (tw6Ar)

72 Holiday jeers: Thanksgiving, America and Charlie Brown attacked as‘racist’

http://tinyurl.com/a2d6af5


Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:02 AMO Lord, make my enemies ridiculous - Voltaire

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:05 AM (wwsoB)

73 Holiday jeers: Thanksgiving, America and Charlie Brown attacked as‘racist’

http://tinyurl.com/a2d6af5


Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:02 AM (wwsoB)


That's what happens when your entire identity is formed around finding things to be pissed off at all the time. I would almost feel sorry for them except fuck them with a rusty razor blade.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:05 AM (yh0zB)

74
8Brother was cooking. On the menu was "41 Garlic Clove Chicken". I think the recipe called for 40 cloves, but he believes in adding a clove over every recipe's recommendation.



I knew the man who invented the 40 Clove Chicken Recipe!...His name was Val Filice and he was one of the Garlic Festival's founders.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 23, 2012 12:06 AM (y2Ojs)

75 WKRP?


never heard of it

Posted by: charles gibson at November 23, 2012 12:06 AM (2CiZb)

76 I found a store open on the way to a friend's house, and got some juice to drink because I forgot to bring anything to drink (don't drink their fave stuff).

So I'm glad they were open. Got a couple other things, too.

They seemed grateful to have the work these days.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at November 23, 2012 12:06 AM (7N4Vf)

77 I'd be Terry Jones eating a mint


Posted by: The Dude at November 23, 2012 12:03 AM (tw6Ar)


it's just a wafer thin mint, sir...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:06 AM (yh0zB)

78 Whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:07 AM (wwsoB)

79 The sitcom WKRP in Cincinnati is racist.

Posted by: Herb Tarlic at November 23, 2012 12:07 AM (Kflw4)

80 Searched on TV with my mom watching. I said CLOSE YOUR EYES. She did not understand why I said so, till she saw the titles of the movies for On Demand... Ghastly experience. She had no clue there were "those" movies on her cable menu somewhere.

Posted by: Baldy at November 23, 2012 12:07 AM (opS9C)

81 Sanchez on sports center right now... He looks and sounds shell-shocked.

Posted by: Truman North at November 23, 2012 12:07 AM (I2LwF)

82
I think stores should be closed on Thanksgiving. I don't see why the same damned crap from China can't be on sale tomorrow. Folks should be able to have a glass or two of wine with dinner on Thanksgiving and not worry about screaming hordes of ignorant shoppers.





So, don't go out. As for the workers, there are a lot of jobs that require you to work some holidays. Don't like it, don't get a job at Wal Mart.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 23, 2012 12:08 AM (DoZD+)

83 "It's the Grand Wizard, Charlie Brown"

"You're a Racist, Charlie Brown"

"Charlie Brown's Anti-Gay Anti Muslim Superstitious Holiday"

Posted by: Zombie Charles Schultz at November 23, 2012 12:09 AM (wwsoB)

84 So about that first Thanksgiving 400 years ago or so.....


Those Pilgrim mo-fo's figgered out that socialism did not work, yet our 'better thinkers' like BHO and his dog eating wife are telling us socialism is the way FORWARD!
?


fucking jack wagons


Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:09 AM (2CiZb)

85 17 Peace, one of two turkeys pardoned by President Obama last year, was euthanized Monday

The other, Muslim Brotherhood, is now free-range.
Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2012 11:38 PM (FcR7P)



Early candidate for a thread winner

Posted by: Truman North at November 23, 2012 12:09 AM (I2LwF)

86 Happy Thanksgiving all.

Husband woke up early sick and any thoughts of sleeping in were over. Off to Wall Mart for cold medicine. I cooked the turkey carved it up and put it in the fridge. Then spent the day doing laundry and watching the telly.

Even though it was a bust today I'm thankful for my family, especially my mom, my closest friends and the Moron nation.

Posted by: mpfs at November 23, 2012 12:10 AM (Mkhiu)

87 "man-sized turkeys by 2070"
--
Don't we already have one as president?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 23, 2012 12:10 AM (Y5I9o)

88 I was going to protest the 7-11 making their employees work on Thanksgiving, but I was denounced as a racist

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:11 AM (wwsoB)

89 Franklin is his later years became a Black Panther. True story.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 23, 2012 12:11 AM (8SsiG)

90 Those Pilgrim mo-fo's figgered out that socialism did not work, yet our 'better thinkers' like BHO and his dog eating wife are telling us socialism is the way FORWARD! ?

Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:09 AM (2CiZb)


Another way of describing socialists and their ilk is "people who think they know more than history and the universe - and intend to prove it or for you to die trying."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at November 23, 2012 12:11 AM (7N4Vf)

91 You know what I'm thankful for?


Gingers, that's what.



http://tinyurl.com/c25cvuy

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:12 AM (yh0zB)

92 59
Ya know, I think stores should be closed on Thanksgiving. I don't see
why the same damned crap from China can't be on sale tomorrow. Folks
should be able to have a glass or two of wine with dinner on
Thanksgiving and not worry about screaming hordes of ignorant shoppers.
And you notice it is those on the lower end of the employment order who
have to do this crap, not the lawyers or doctors or even the teachers,
for Pete's sake.

/rant off


Posted by: tcn at November 22, 2012 11:58 PM (VLG62)


Here's the thing -- most stores should be closed on Thanksgiving, except for the ones that aren't. 7-11's, for instance, exist on the business model that a $1 pint of milk (if you buy it from a regular store during regular hours) can be worth $2.50 at 4 am. Since that's its business model, it is ridiculous to suppose that they'd be closed on Thanksgiving.

On the flip side, your local supermarket's business model is based on "we can afford to pay people to work in one place as butchers, stockers, cashiers, bakers, produce guys, baggers and floor sweepers if we hire them in regular shifts between 6 am and midnight and give them holidays off. So they shouldn't work Thanksgiving because it's not their deal. Supermarkets, BTW, tend to run on really thin profit margins -- like 3% -- and it's not unusual for the Assistant Manager's Salary to be exceeded by the cardboard recycling income.

The problem arises when someone walks into a 7-11 at 4 am and goes, "hey, man, why is milk so freakin' expensive?"

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 12:12 AM (kaalw)

93 All sports team names are racist, sexist and homophobic.

Posted by: 1982 Redskins at November 23, 2012 12:12 AM (Kflw4)

94 Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:02 AMO Lord, make my enemies ridiculous - Voltaire
Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:05 AM (wwsoB)

Damn it`s gone be so easy to beat these idiots. ( when we finally get our shit together)

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 12:12 AM (OJVLd)

95 mpfs, sorry about hubby - glad you were able to salvage a bit of a Thanksgiving though

here is a Thanksgiving kitteh for you

http://tinyurl.com/b3k8mys

Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2012 12:13 AM (d/5qf)

96 Franklin never fogot being relegated to a seat by himself on that fateful Thanksgiving. It radicalized him. Charlie Brown died mysteriously died in a car bomb. It was always thought that Franklin did it but never proven.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 23, 2012 12:13 AM (8SsiG)

97 Lucy Y U NO let Charlie Brown kick football?

Posted by: funny memes at November 23, 2012 12:14 AM (Kflw4)

98 Socialism always destroys the value of work, which is the ability to keep the fruits of your labor, and when work isn't valuable, it's just pointless drudgery to be avoided.

Posted by: Cato at November 23, 2012 12:14 AM (BERJz)

99 Work is a construct of the evil whitey. Everything is free in a rainbow hopetopia.

Posted by: Trotsky's Icepick at November 23, 2012 12:15 AM (Kflw4)

100 59
Ya know, I think stores should be closed on Thanksgiving. I don't see
why the same damned crap from China can't be on sale tomorrow. Folks
should be able to have a glass or two of wine with dinner on
Thanksgiving and not worry about screaming hordes of ignorant shoppers.
And you notice it is those on the lower end of the employment order who
have to do this crap, not the lawyers or doctors or even the teachers,
for Pete's sake.

/rant off


Posted by: tcn at November 22, 2012 11:58 PM (VLG62)

Yeah, because today is the day Death takes a holiday. Every hospital closed today. No doctors working today.
Please, when I worked in radio nobody gave a shit that we had to work. I bet you would be pissed off if every television and radio station shut down today. It also sucks that gas stations are open today, because we should have bought our gas yesterday or just wait until tomorrow.
Cops and firemen should also have the day off. Since everyone is at home and no one is dying, they really aren't needed.
Also, we should have just cancelled the football, basketball, and minor league hockey games played today. When I worked in sports and we had games on Thanksgiving, nobody gave a damn that we were working. They wanted to be entertained, period. I thought that was very selfish on their part, but I couldn't argue because I wanted that paycheck.
We should just shut off the entire electric, gas, and communications grid today because those people deserve to have the day off just like everyone else.
rant off

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 23, 2012 12:15 AM (Zd/NW)

101 My Thanksgiving Night at WalMart...

Got there at 7:30; sales didn't officially begin until 8. Gaggles of shoppers waiting in lines that stretched around the freakin' store, arrows taped on the floor so people wouldn't go against traffic and cause a pile-up. 7:55, somebody toots an airhorn and people think that's the sign to begin slingin' and clawin', so they do so. But it's too early, and a local policeman who is working security there threatens to run 'em all in if they don't put the picture frames back RIGHT THIS MINUTE and he's not kidding dammit. Finally, at 7:57, the employees and security people give up and let 'em have at it. I, personally, saw two fist fights in the first thirty seconds. Over a set of sheets. Seriously.
Only took about an hour for me to know that I'd had enough so I paid for my few trinkets and left for the car. Unloaded the cart, walked to the door, and...*(*@ flat tire. Though about calling Mr. Me, but figured it would take him longer to get there than for me to just change it. Hah. Wheel wouldn't come off, had to get my son in law to come back and help me, then had to go back inside and buy a g.d. rubber mallet to coax the wheel off. Finally, spare tire is on, son in law on his way home...but wait! The bleepin' spare is - wait for it - flat. At that point, I couldn't have given less of a shit about the rim of the spare, nursed it to the nearest gas station and aired up the spare and limped home.
Now, I plan to drink bourbon until I can't anymore and then go to bed.

Posted by: antisocialist at November 23, 2012 12:15 AM (j/nZn)

102 First Thanksgiving on our own since John's death (last two were at a friend's house who's kids mine knew from school). Low key and nice. Read the kids exerpts from the killer turkey thread, put a ham in the crockpot and the girls made rolls while Son helped get our WoW guild up to level 5.

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:16 AM (NYki8)

103 Aw, thanks chemjeff.

Posted by: mpfs at November 23, 2012 12:17 AM (Mkhiu)

104 RWC

so far it is. so boring.

Posted by: L is an elle at November 23, 2012 12:17 AM (0PiQ4)

105 Now, I plan to drink bourbon until I can't anymore and then go to bed.


Posted by: antisocialist at November 23, 2012 12:15 AM (j/nZn)

oh sheesh, a fistfight over bedsheets????? I thought it was bad enough to see people running into each other
thank heavens your son in law was available, along with the bourbon

Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2012 12:18 AM (d/5qf)

106 Folks should be able to have a glass or two of wine
with dinner on Thanksgiving and not worry about screaming hordes of
ignorant shoppers. And you notice it is those on the lower end of the
employment order who have to do this crap, not the lawyers or doctors or
even the teachers, for Pete's sake.

/rant off


Posted by: tcn at November 22, 2012 11:58 PM

Holy shit, who're those guys wearing the stethoscopes in the ER?

Just heard a plane overhead. Must be the flight attendant flying the thing

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:19 AM (wwsoB)

107 Now, I plan to drink bourbon until I can't anymore and then go to bed.


Posted by: antisocialist at November 23, 2012 12:15 AM (j/nZn)


Drink enough bourbon and you won't have to worry about going to bed.

Polliwogette, we put our tree up right after T-giving dinner today. First time in 2 years we've done that. Somehow it just felt right.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:20 AM (yh0zB)

108 What's being destroyed in this incarnation is capital. We're being flooded with garbage debt, that we're supposed to make whole in actual value-producing endeavors when the expenditures of today fail to produce any worth. The classic example is issuing bonds to run up a deficit to finance green energy schemes that fail, and having future taxpayers try to pay off the bonds in the dark.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 12:20 AM (kaalw)

109 Posted by: L is an elle at November 23, 2012 12:17 AM (0PiQ4)

If it was about war-dogs I'd put up with it, but...

Posted by: RWC at November 23, 2012 12:20 AM (tzJPE)

110 so had a great T Day

Played nerf football with the kids and neices and nephews.

never hold a football for a neice to kick while she is wearing cowboy boots.....

It seamed like a bad decision at the time but went ahead and ended up gashing a finger and bleeding.



Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:20 AM (2CiZb)

111 Polliwogette, glad to see that you all are hanging in there

Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2012 12:21 AM (d/5qf)

112 My son knows a guy who goes to the sales every year and buys a tube of toothpaste. He likes watching the nuttery and likes the reaction he gets to "who's the nut that got out in this just for a tube of toothpaste?".

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 23, 2012 12:21 AM (DoZD+)

113
Now, I plan to drink bourbon until I can't anymore and then go to bed.
Posted by: antisocialist at November 23, 2012 12:15 AM (j/nZn)



Actually, that's a pretty good plan for any day.

'sup jackwagons

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2012 12:22 AM (c2oll)

114 I ventured out to WalMart but came home empty handed.

A. Packed 40 deep in each register line.

B. "Special Purchase" items not in the immediate area of said item group (i.e. sheet sets in the sheet section, toaster oven in the kitchen appliance section, etc.) No, they "had" been stacked on pallets in the main and secondary aisles. Like bones in the high desert, they were picked clean.

C. Helpful staff in yellow vests/smoks didn't know where the two "Special Purchase" items I was there to buy had been placed. One did not speak English, one just grunted at the stuff right in front of her, and one was very charming and smiley but of absolutely no assistance at all.

D. If you slowed to get a look at the pallets, you were run over or bumped out of the way. Think of the muzzies circling the Grand Mosque in Mecca, it's very similar to WalMart's Thursday night Black Friday sale.

E. Came home and found what I wanted online from a choice of JCP, Kohls, or Sears with free shipping and at the same Black Friday price as in their stores.

It was an interesting and educational experience, but one that never will be repeated.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 23, 2012 12:22 AM (BAS5M)

115 GGE of the Moron Horde

I'll take care your word for it, but 30 mn in, nothing but horses. Where's the damn war? If the election hadn't happened, the pretty horses would have been enough. Where's the damn war???

Need war!!!!!

Posted by: L is an elle at November 23, 2012 12:22 AM (0PiQ4)

116 105 Yes, I do think the world of that boy. And bourbon. And warmth.

Posted by: antisocialist at November 23, 2012 12:23 AM (j/nZn)

117 Took the kids to see Red Dawn tonight. It's surprisingly good and nicely patriotic. If you have teens make sure to take them.

Posted by: Timwi at November 23, 2012 12:23 AM (pdhxN)

118 well, it is time for me to go to bed.

looks like everyone survived, so far.

good night all, and save some booze for tomorrow, you'll need it for then too

Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2012 12:24 AM (d/5qf)

119 Where's the damn war???



Need war!!!!!

Posted by: L is an elle at November 23, 2012 12:22 AM (0PiQ4)


According to the synopsis I read they have to teach the horse to pull a plow first, then it gets sold to a calvary officer. It gets shooty after that.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:25 AM (yh0zB)

120 Bless you both Polli and GGE.

My entertainment is listening to the drunk, vulgar neighbors across the way. They are always entertaining around holiday time.

Posted by: mpfs at November 23, 2012 12:25 AM (Mkhiu)

121 Want to know how our education and media has destroyed critical thinking in our country?

I'll bet that if a news crew interviews all those waiting to grab that special deal on sneakers and tv's, 95 percent of them will tell you how awful it is that Walmart is making them work on a holiday.

They'll watch TV all day on a holiday, never occurs to them that a lot of people have to be on the job so they can be entertained

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:25 AM (wwsoB)

122 Dear Santa,

Now that Turkey day is past, please bring me excessive amounts of ammo.

in no particular order
.22LR
.223
.308
.300 win mag
12 guage birdshot, buckshot and slugs
9mm
.45ACP


I figgure Rudolf and his crew can bring 2 sleds full, got a nice place saved in the storm celler

give Mrs Claus a hug!


all the best
J


Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:26 AM (2CiZb)

123 Took the kids to see Red Dawn tonight. It's surprisingly good and nicely patriotic. If you have teens make sure to take them.


Posted by: Timwi at November 23, 2012 12:23 AM (pdhxN)


The whole premise of the movie falls apart the first time the Norks pass a grocery store and don't stop whatever they are doing to stare in wide-eyed disbelief.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:26 AM (yh0zB)

124 I'm stuffed and so is the missus

Posted by: Ripley .45 at November 23, 2012 12:27 AM (TLIC6)

125 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:20 AM (yh0zB)

Good for you guys. It is sort of comforting to finally be sorting out what we want to do as a family. I think we put up the tree at St. Niklaus day last year and it looks like that is going to be the tradition since the kids thought this week was too early. Since starting homeschooling they've gotten a lot more self-directed which I'm *very* thankful for since if it were up to me a lot of stuff would be left undone.

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:28 AM (NYki8)

126 My entertainment is listening to the drunk, vulgar neighbors across the way. They are always entertaining around holiday time.

Posted by: mpfs at November 23, 2012 12:25 AM (Mkhiu)


Why is it that train wrecks are so entertaining?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:28 AM (yh0zB)

127 Lol, katya.

I've been in that situation. "Just nip out to the bookstore for a latte and some browsing" and I find out too late Obama is hanging with his fellow white snotnoses at Boulder, snarling up the 36 and probably the I 25 as well.

This happened at least twice this past summer. I wanted to put the car in park, get out and break windows of the Obama bumper sticker cars.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 23, 2012 12:28 AM (aI2re)

128 117
Took the kids to see Red Dawn tonight. It's surprisingly good and nicely patriotic. If you have teens make sure to take them.


Posted by: Timwi at November 23, 2012 12:23 AM

Did you tell the theater owners how horrible they were to make their people work on a holiday?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:29 AM (wwsoB)

129 The whole premise of the movie falls apart the first time the Norks pass a grocery store and don't stop whatever they are doing to stare in wide-eyed disbelief.

The whole premise of the movie falls apart at the words "North Koreans".

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 23, 2012 12:29 AM (vkUBG)

130 Make a nice Thanksgiving dinner in July.

Just to piss people off.

Posted by: eman at November 23, 2012 12:29 AM (bWwMZ)

131 Now that Turkey day is past, please bring me excessive amounts of ammo.



1. Define excessive


2. I approve of this message.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:29 AM (yh0zB)

132 I didn`t work today because I didn`t have to. The way work is in the new norm there is nothing pressing that could not be put off........ `till first of the week. Take that demo-crat. I enjoy these mini vacations 2 out of 3 weeks and worse,excepting not making any fucking MONEY.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 12:30 AM (OJVLd)

133 I took a nap and read zombie books today.

Heaven.

Posted by: eman at November 23, 2012 12:30 AM (bWwMZ)

134 BTW, anyone want to put a side bet on whether any "fiscal cliff" legislation will involve a "gotcha clause" effective on the date of the legislation rather than on January 1?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 12:31 AM (kaalw)

135 The whole premise of the movie falls apart at the words "North Koreans".

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 23, 2012 12:29 AM (vkUBG)


Come to think of it...yeah...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:31 AM (yh0zB)

136 121
Want to know how our education and media has destroyed critical thinking in our country?

I'll
bet that if a news crew interviews all those waiting to grab that
special deal on sneakers and tv's, 95 percent of them will tell you how
awful it is that Walmart is making them work on a holiday.

They'll
watch TV all day on a holiday, never occurs to them that a lot of
people have to be on the job so they can be entertained



Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:25 AM (wwsoB)

^^^^this
Like I said earlier, the team I worked for had a tradition of playing on Thanksgiving night, so we worked Thanksgiving. When I worked in radio, we worked on Thanksgiving, hell we worked on Christmas. It sucked, but we decided to get together on Friday night and celebrate it. We felt it was okay to give thanks on Friday instead. Plus when we went out for dinner to celebrate it, the waiters and waitresses all said they were doing the same thing.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 23, 2012 12:31 AM (Zd/NW)

137 Have to figure out what to do with the ham juices and drippings. Anyone got any ideas?

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:32 AM (NYki8)

138 Today is my favorite day for getting the newspaper with all the ads in it. Especially the Sportsman Warehouse and Gander Mountain and Dick's ads. It gives me some fapping material for the bathroom.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 23, 2012 12:34 AM (Zd/NW)

139 137
Have to figure out what to do with the ham juices and drippings. Anyone got any ideas?

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:32 AM (NYki


Rub them all over your body and have them licked off?

Well, crap, you wanted ideas -- no necessarily reasonable ones.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 12:34 AM (kaalw)

140 Polliwogette, you could bag it up, mark it, freeze it then thow it out next year when you come across it looking for burritos or ice cream.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 23, 2012 12:34 AM (DoZD+)

141 "Think of the muzzies circling the Grand Mosque in Mecca, it's very similar to WalMart's Thursday night Black Friday sale. "

Actually, they circle the Kaaba, not the mosque.

Posted by: Jordan at November 23, 2012 12:34 AM (jRfn3)

142 Ugh. I can't be the last daywalker standing. Goes against what's left of my principles.

Time to stagger off to bed. Don't misbehave without records I can later peruse and laugh at.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 23, 2012 12:35 AM (vkUBG)

143 Have to figure out what to do with the ham juices and drippings. Anyone got any ideas?

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:32 AM (NYki

1/4 C ham juice and drippingsAdd enough flour to make a slurryAdd milk and stir to make gravyServe over biscuits with the leftover ham
1/4 C makes a lot of gravy, you can use 2T to the same effect if you don't want so much.
Also, mix it in dry dog food for Fido. He will be your BFF.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:35 AM (yh0zB)

144 GGE

They are real live white trash. The fights are epic.

Hey, it kills time.

Posted by: mpfs at November 23, 2012 12:35 AM (Mkhiu)

145 Have to figure out what to do with the ham juices and drippings. Anyone got any ideas?
Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:32 AM (NYki


cooks some spuds, then make some yummy gravey


BE SURE TO USE RUSSET BURBANK potatos, they are the best!


serious, except for new potatoes/red potatos but those are not interchangeable


Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:36 AM (2CiZb)

146 Shit, we wished someone told us that WE could have Christmas off

Posted by: 101st Airborne, Bastogne, 1944 at November 23, 2012 12:36 AM (wwsoB)

147 Posted by: L is an elle at November 23, 2012 12:17 AM (0PiQ4)

My friend dragged me to that movie, so to speak, and since I hadn't hung out with him for a while I went......to my most bored sadness.

When I asked him what kind of movie it was, he said 'war movie'. It's not. It's an anti war, horse movie.

I'd of asked for my money back, but he paid. Then he had to listen to me bitch, too. Heh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2012 12:36 AM (ccXZP)

148 What a great meal I had, with my wife and sons. Three pies, fresh baked and delicious. A long Monopoly game afterward that proved to be a good conversation builder.

Enjoy your company throughout the year, and over several years.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2012 12:37 AM (l3vZN)

149 If I wasn't so opposed to getting out in the middle of the night, I'd go to Wal Mart just to watch the lunacy in person.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 23, 2012 12:37 AM (DoZD+)

150 144
GGE



They are real live white trash. The fights are epic.



Hey, it kills time.

Posted by: mpfs at November 23, 2012 12:35 AM

I remember reading that Lucy and Desi used to have screaming fights in the middle of the night that woke up the entire neighborhood in Canoga Park

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:38 AM (wwsoB)

151 Ha. The Peanuts Christmas song has words to it. Who knew?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:38 AM (yh0zB)

152 141
"Think of the muzzies circling the Grand Mosque in Mecca, it's very similar to WalMart's Thursday night Black Friday sale. "



Actually, they circle the Kaaba, not the mosque.

Posted by: Jordan at November 23, 2012 12:34 AM (jRfn3)


IIRC, the biggest tramplings are at the stoning pillars, not in the final mosque.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 12:39 AM (kaalw)

153 Have to figure out what to do with the ham juices and drippings. Anyone got any ideas?

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:32 AM (NYki

Hamas care package?

Posted by: eman at November 23, 2012 12:39 AM (bWwMZ)

154 Grandbaby Boy is a train nut. YES! I have someone to play trains with when he gets a bit older!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:39 AM (yh0zB)

155 Did we get a special ace or cob review of Lincoln yet? Curious. Saw a brief chat up and Whoppie loved it, cuz it's all historical and important cuz slaves, that's why. I take that as a -500. Anyone?

Posted by: CalyxtheCommoner at November 23, 2012 12:40 AM (fw+Wp)

156 137 Have to figure out what to do with the ham juices and drippings. Anyone got any ideas?Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:32 AM (NYki...Make Red-Eye Gravy.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 23, 2012 12:40 AM (y2Ojs)

157 I remember reading that Lucy and Desi used to have screaming fights in the middle of the night that woke up the entire neighborhood in Canoga Park

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:38 AM (wwsoB)

Mickey and Minnie Mouse were way worse.

Posted by: eman at November 23, 2012 12:40 AM (bWwMZ)

158 1. Define excessive


Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:29 AM (yh0zB)

ummmm tough call

a million each would be sweet, but I'd settle for 10,000 each, that would count out to 90,000 for those listed

Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:40 AM (2CiZb)

159 I wonder if Walmart just has these special deals for entertainment purposes. I bet they go back to the security footage, splices out the scenes where two hippos are whaling on each other with mop handles over that last bottle of Tide, and trade it with other Walmarts for their own scenes of riot and debauchery.

See also, that coog and her romeo who were caught packing fudge in the aisle

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 23, 2012 12:42 AM (aI2re)

160 #128- hah -the theater was packed, the kids working there seemed happy to get away from whatever family gathering they had escaped from and were goofing around and looked to be having a better time than hanging out with drunk Uncle Al. #129 and 135- Doesn't matter- there are communists attacking and kids fighting back and winning and since all the progressive/communist/Marxist reviewers really hate this movie isn't that reason enough to go? Might be nice to expose your kids to the anti-Communist, pro America, and America worth protecting themes in this movie to combat the America is evil and kills nature loving Indians themes that the public school teachers of your kids have been feeding them all week.

Posted by: Timwi at November 23, 2012 12:43 AM (pdhxN)

161 Ham drippings? Redeye gravy. Look it up. I had some on my ham and mashed potatoes today.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2012 12:44 AM (ccXZP)

162 a million each would be sweet, but I'd settle for 10,000 each, that would count out to 90,000 for those listed





Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:40 AM (2CiZb)


I would be happy with reloadable brass in 6.5x50 and 7.62x54R, suitable primers and bullets, and powder. Enough for a couple thousand rounds each should be sufficient. Oh, and I need dies for 7.62x54R. Thanks.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:44 AM (yh0zB)

163 since all the progressive/communist/Marxist reviewers really hate this movie isn't that reason enough to go?



hmm, you do have a point there...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:46 AM (yh0zB)

164 Lol, I should have known the advice would be interesting after a day of Horde drinking. Hamas care packages is definitely a winner, but I'll probably take the advice to put some in freezer (and hopefully remember it before next year) and a little in the fridge for the dog food tomorrow.

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:46 AM (NYki8)

165 137 Have to figure out what to do with the ham juices and drippings. Anyone got any ideas?
Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 12:32 AM (NYki

Save some for grits, or treat the dog.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 12:46 AM (OJVLd)

166 Thanks.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:44 AM (yh0zB)


well it is Santa and the internet, so went big

Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:46 AM (2CiZb)

167 Actually, they circle the Kaaba, not the mosque.
Posted by: Jordan at November 23, 2012 12:34 AM (jRfn3)
>>>>

Thanks for the correction. At first I put Dome of the Rock because that's how little I know.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 23, 2012 12:47 AM (BAS5M)

168 We did a delimbed turkey this year -- which gets you out of the "how to not leave the drumsticks raw while the breast dehydrates" issue. It featured one of those cheap plastic buttons that pop out when "done".




Anyway, got tired of waiting, hit it with my own meat thermometer and checked the reading against the venerable "Joy of Cooking"....and pulled it out. I let it rest for a couple of minutes while I moved stuff around. Then, I transferred it to my carving setup and realized my carving knife needed washing. While I was washing my carving knife, the stupid button finally decided to pop out and I said "HA!" so loud the BH came in from the other room to see if I'd sliced myself.




That's the button that's supposed to tell you to take something out of the oven, popping 7-8 minutes after it had actually been removed from the oven.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 12:47 AM (kaalw)

169 "IIRC, the biggest tramplings are at the stoning pillars, not in the final mosque."

Heh. Tramplings. There's got to be a Wal Mart joke in here somewhere...

Posted by: Jordan at November 23, 2012 12:49 AM (jRfn3)

170 I wonder, does any other country have a special 'shopping frenzy' day? Cuz ours is pretty damn stupid.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2012 12:49 AM (ccXZP)

171 Dear Morons and 'ettes,

I can't for the life of me remember which russet potatoes, not to get. A family friend said don't get XXXX spuds, but can't remember what they were

But Burbanks are the good stuff
(he's farmed spuds for 40+ years, knows his stuff)


anyway

Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:49 AM (2CiZb)

172 Good evening.

I hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving.

I may have *urp* overindulged myself.

*Groan*

My goodness but I haven't eaten like that in months. And I learned something! Apparently there is an upper limit to how much food and drink (and by drink I mean coffee since it's a woik night after all) my stomach can hold. Hint: a lot freakin' less than it could before. Might have, uh...eaten myself sick. Literally.

But what a wonderful meal it was!

And roughly 2900 calories later I don't think I ever want to look at food ever again.

*Loosens belt*

Man, I could go for a nap.

Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 12:50 AM (4ixH5)

173 Man, I could go for a nap.
Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 12:50 AM (4ixH5)


no dude, ther term is 'after dinner drink'


Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:52 AM (2CiZb)

174 Posted by: Jordan at November 23, 2012 12:34 AM (jRfn3)

I'm only surprised you're not telling us they circle the Texas legislature, when in session.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 23, 2012 12:53 AM (fa2d4)

175 have been pondering some voluntary long term funemployment.


anybody got the slightest clue how to know what health insurance costs are likely to be? lots of info for up to 400% poverty level. after that not much to go on.


suggestions?

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 12:53 AM (kfC1R)

176 170
I wonder, does any other country have a special 'shopping frenzy' day? Cuz ours is pretty damn stupid.


Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2012 12:49 AM

Reminds me of "Festival" on that Star Trek TOS episode "Return of the Archons"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9Wxov9lQM

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:55 AM (wwsoB)

177 There was a 19 year old girl from Berkeley at work over the summer, who had probably a genius level IQ (really) and a decent amount of common sense - who simply could not understand why a large format printer costs so much. She said the government should mandate the price to be lower. She had not a lick of sense or understanding about parts, labor, market, etc. This is the up and coming generation.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 23, 2012 12:55 AM (6JMZR)

178 I have an animated Christmas ornament, it looks like it has a flat mirror on all four sides but when you walk by it one of the mirrors lights up and shows the scene inside the ornament of a train going around a small village. Grandbaby Boy has been watching it, fascinated, for about an hour now. Every time it goes dark he waves at it to get it to go again.


I'm going to have to get some batteries...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:57 AM (yh0zB)

179 Heh. Tramplings. There's got to be a Wal Mart joke in here somewhere...

Posted by: Jordan at November 23, 2012 12:49 AM

Isn't it horrible that Axelrod forces his trolls to work on a holiday?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 12:57 AM (wwsoB)

180 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 12:57 AM (yh0zB)

That ornament sounds really cool. Also awesome that the grandbaby's enjoying it so much.

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 01:02 AM (NYki8)

181 Welp, I need to do whatever I'm going to with the ham since I might be giving an art lesson tomorrow. Sleep well all.

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 23, 2012 01:03 AM (NYki8)

182 no dude, ther term is 'after dinner drink'



Posted by: jake in ID at November 23, 2012 12:52 AM (2CiZb)

Ugh. No. Just no. I regret that last cup of coffee I had earlier. There's just no room for anything in my stomach. I'm so full. I was miserable earlier. I learned I can never eat like I did when I was a huge fatty. And I didn't even eat as much as that!
I look forward to my future tryptophan coma.

Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 01:03 AM (4ixH5)

183 I asked a lady shopper where she had found all the movies. She had a couple dozen dvds in her cart.

She must have been entering her shopper's high, because her eyes didn't focus too well and she gesticulated wildly as she replied, pointing first to a pallet box of underwear, then to the children's shoes, then to the electronics section (random points of the compass it seemed) while breathing deeply and telling me the movie bins were all over. I had circled half the store by then without spotting a single one.

I thanked her and went on my way, certain I'd never find the movie bins. But I had enjoyed the show. You see she was very amply endowed and was wearing a tight fitting low cut top so as she waved her arms about and breathed deeply I added two more things to my list of things to be thankful about.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 23, 2012 01:03 AM (BAS5M)

184 Still trying to wrap my head around the irony of leftists lamenting the horror of people having to work on a holiday they believe should not exist due to "celebrating racism and genocide"

Norman ... coordinate!


Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 01:03 AM (wwsoB)

185 suggestions?


Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 12:53 AM (kfC1R)

Declare all your neighbors dependents and cash in on Medicaid.

Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 01:04 AM (4ixH5)

186 That turkey price inflation chart sure is revealing. The good news is, there has been hardly any inflation over the last 4 years according to our gubmint's CPI.

The bad news is, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2012 01:06 AM (ccXZP)

187 I know eveyone has there own ways to cook a turkey and have it moist, but try this, if I`m using the oven I put it in frozen. Example, 24 lb turkey put in at 5 pm yesterday with oven on warm, `bout ten do dry rub, `bout 4 am turn up to 250 until 10 am . Also when doing dry rub put in 2 cans of chicken broth and a can of water or so. Keep an eye on it from time to time after turning up heat, according to pan size you may have to dip broth out.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 01:07 AM (OJVLd)

188 Late returning to the thread.

I haven't seen War Horse. I saw the preview with the horse running through a field with barbed wire wrapped around it and that was enough for me.

Yes.

I did cry when Scarlett O'Hara's horse died.

Wanna make something of it?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 01:08 AM (piMMO)

189 I'm still so fucking full. Didn't even get any pumpkin pie...yet...

Posted by: Zakn at November 23, 2012 01:11 AM (YkUit)

190 cool, a decent Phantom of the Paradise shirt
http://tinyurl.com/a78kwb5

Posted by: The Dude at November 23, 2012 01:14 AM (tw6Ar)

191 Now begins the silly season of leftist city councils forbidding even thinking about the word Christmas, and how the very words Merry Christmas are "racist code words"

As Archie Bunker once observed:

Might as well shut the doors of this country and hang up a sign; "CLOSED, OWNER GONE NUTS"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 01:14 AM (wwsoB)

192 175
have been pondering some voluntary long term funemployment.


anybody
got the slightest clue how to know what health insurance costs are
likely to be? lots of info for up to 400% poverty level. after that not
much to go on.


suggestions?


Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 12:53 AM (kfC1R)


I can tell you with some degree of assurance -- whatever happens to health insurance in the US over the next 3-5 years will be a complete and total clusterfuck. There has been huge broad-level directives that contradict each other, and stalling on the detail-level policies that get things done. If you are over 400% of the poverty level, you are better off in another country where the rules are set, if you can somehow maintain the option of repatriating to the best healthcare on the planet if you need it.

Karl has got a good read on this -- start here (http://tinyurl.com/av74sev). There's nothing magic about healthcare -- but there's a lot that's magic in the lies about healthcare. Health "insurance" mostly insurance -- as in a payment against a remote risk....it's "prepaid health" -- normal things you could budget for overlaid with bureaucracy.


.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 01:15 AM (kaalw)

193 I did cry when Scarlett O'Hara's horse died.



Wanna make something of it?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 01:08 AM (piMMO)


But did you cry in Animal House when...oh yeah...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 01:16 AM (yh0zB)

194 I cried when Travis had to shoot Old Yeller

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 01:19 AM (wwsoB)

195 But did you cry in Animal House when...oh yeah...


******

Oh Dear God!

I had managed to repress the memory after years of therapy and now look what you've done!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 01:19 AM (piMMO)

196 I cried when Travis had to shoot Old Yeller


****

I don't think I'd want to know anyone who didn't.

Still, as sad as Old Yeller was, I cried much more during The Yearling.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 01:20 AM (piMMO)

197 I had managed to repress the memory after years of therapy and now look what you've done!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 01:19 AM (piMMO)


*hangs head in shame*

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 01:20 AM (yh0zB)

198 187
I know eveyone has there own ways to cook a turkey and have it moist,
but try this, if I`m using the oven I put it in frozen. Example, 24 lb
turkey put in at 5 pm yesterday with oven on warm, `bout ten do dry rub,
`bout 4 am turn up to 250 until 10 am . Also when doing dry rub put in 2
cans of chicken broth and a can of water or so. Keep an eye on it from
time to time after turning up heat, according to pan size you may have
to dip broth out.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 01:07 AM (OJVLd)

The problem with everything in food prep is avoiding the danger zone -- http://culinaryarts.about.com/od/safetysanitation/a/dangerzone.htm -- it would appear that your turkey spends far too much time from 5am to 10 am in that zone.



Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 01:20 AM (kaalw)

199 This is the one of those years when Thanksgiving comes on the earliest days

Meaning all the junk those hyserical shoppers bought will show up on the credit card statement before Christmas

Or the EBT cards will run out before the end of the month

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2012 01:21 AM (wwsoB)

200 And you know what else I learned tonight?

Never go to Walmart on a Thanksgiving night.

Holy shit!

It reminds me why I hate dealing with people. First, for whatever reason, the Walmart management decided the best way to serve the customers was to put up barricades and corrale people. Secondly they decided to put product in strange areas. For instance, displays of discounted DVDs in the middle of the men's apparel section. HUH?!?!?!?! Which sucked cause I was there to pick up some clothes for myself. Way to go, Walmart! Now I can't get to the pants because there's a huge line for DVDs wrapped around that section and no one wanting to let me through. Brilliant! (And seriously, "people," Amazon is selling all the same shit for the same price. Save yourselves the gas money.)

It was like a government meddlers wet dream. Think about it. Everyone being herded like cattle into tiny spaces stripped of freedom (of movement in this case) and what results? People treating each other like shit! It was a disgusting sea of fatties and rude little shitheads. I lasted five minutes before getting the hell out. The hell with it. Not worth it just to save five bucks on a pair of cheap-o pants.

Oh well. Live and learn.

Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 01:23 AM (4ixH5)

201 Didn't even get any pumpkin pie...yet...


Posted by: Zakn at November 23, 2012 01:11 AM (YkUit)

I made the mistake of having the tinest slice of pecan pie before letting the meal settle down. It...did me in.
But the pie was deeeeeeeee-licious!

Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 01:25 AM (4ixH5)

202 I have a radio mounted in the wall of my kitchen, the type you would find in an RV. I have a pair of speakers in the master bedroom and another pair in the front room where the fireplace is, everything flush mounted and wired in when the house was built (modular home, double-wide trailer house without the wheels). For the first time we have that radio fired up to a local station that starts playing Christmas music on Thanksgiving afternoon with the speakers in the front room on. It sounds surprisingly decent.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 01:25 AM (yh0zB)

203 NDH. Hi you.

Worth watching, but only when fully sober.

I'm past half way through. Lots more horses than war, but WWI was not uplifting bc of the cause ( what was the cause again?).

Really pretty horses. Why are they always the reds?

Posted by: L is an elle at November 23, 2012 01:25 AM (0PiQ4)

204 Not worth it just to save five bucks on a pair of cheap-o pants.

Oh well. Live and learn.


Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 01:23 AM (4ixH5)


There is a particular brand of cargo pants I like for work, it has pen pockets and a pocket just the right size for a 5x7 notepad on the left leg cargo pocket. WalMart seems to be the only place that sells them, and thankfully for me they are only available online.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 01:28 AM (yh0zB)

205 I have tuned my back on all things Christmas until today, refusing to listen to any seasonal music or watch t.v. specials.

Then, today, the all clear was issued, and I went searching for 'A Christmas Story' and couldn't find it anywhere.

Disappointing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 01:29 AM (piMMO)

206 Hey Robert! Sucks you are stuck at work tonight... I'm Down here in the Austin area for another day or two

Posted by: Zakn at November 23, 2012 01:32 AM (YkUit)

207 Here's something.. I need a new Sirius radio.. my original one got stolen a year or so ago and I bought a cheap refurb one that sucks as far as FM transmission goes.

So, I noticed BestBuy had a $79 one for $29 bucks in its doorbusters sale. But no way I'm showing up at midnight..

But since it's after midnight here, I thought I would check on their stock and see which stores might still have one for the morning.

Well, lo and behold, they got the doorbuster price online! Shipped to my home free in 2 days. Booyah!

Not sure if this applies to other doorbuster stuff, or if this was a mistake.. but I thought I'd pass it along.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 23, 2012 01:32 AM (UTq/I)

208
There is a particular brand of cargo pants I like for work, it has pen pockets and a pocket just the right size for a 5x7 notepad on the left leg cargo pocket. WalMart seems to be the only place that sells them, and thankfully for me they are only available online.


****

I've been seeing really clever ads for work jeans, mostly airing on FNC. The ads are for "ballroom" jeans which allow one to crouch down without squishing the jewels. They also sell a tshirt with a longer tail so that it hides plumber crack.

Pretty clever.

http://bit.ly/rQWcsz

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 01:33 AM (piMMO)

209 I am thankful for Ace and the Moron Horde. I am thankful that I can find refuge among the like minded.


There are many here that are, or have been warriors for the United States of America and I am most thankful to them.


We will honor the freedom they have granted us when we stand against the tyranny of our time. We must resist, in all ways, the expanding Government Super-State.


Give me Liberty, or Give me Death must be our oath, now and forever.






Posted by: cm9000 at November 23, 2012 01:35 AM (vfB2N)

210 The problem with everything in food prep is avoiding the danger zone -- http://culinaryarts.about.com/od/safetysanitation/a/dangerzone.htm -- it would appear that your turkey spends far too much time from 5am to 10 am in that zone.Nope, I`ve been cooking for 40 years, usually cook on the big smoker (10 -20 turkeys and 10 or so whole hams, heat is never over 250 I`m sure), after sitting in the oven for 12 hrs at around 125 the heat accumilation is built in, that`s why you finish it off at a lower temp. If someone is unsure, stick a damn thermometer in it.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 01:40 AM (OJVLd)

211 Marilyn!I like the way you hold your gun, baby! gobble,gobble!.... Now that the fun is over, let's get out there and shop!

Posted by: and irresolute at November 23, 2012 01:41 AM (DBH1h)

212 Well roonz and roonettez, it's getting late and I have things to do tomorrow. See you on tomorrow night's ONT!


Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2012 01:43 AM (yh0zB)

213 So, after 2 hours of playing God of War 3, I'm sitting here watching Bloodrayne. Which appears to be spectacularly bad, but damn is Kristanna Loken hot.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 23, 2012 01:45 AM (GEICT)

214 Hey Robert! Sucks you are stuck at work tonight... I'm Down here in the Austin area for another day or two


Posted by: Zakn at November 23, 2012 01:32 AM (YkUit)

Howdy, Zakn!
I don't mind working holidays.

Dude! I live like eight hours away from Austin but I've never actually been there. Otherwise I'd be getting you shitfaced right now.

Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 01:45 AM (4ixH5)

215 Good night, GGE!

Posted by: Robert at November 23, 2012 01:46 AM (4ixH5)

216 Oh. Also the fabulous thing about going home....Projects. So A wireless printer for the home network is my project tomorrow. Normally this would be fairly easy, as these things are made for idiots to set up. However, where the 'Rents want it put is.....frustrating.

It is better than a few years back when I HAD to pack boots and work clothes b/c inevitably I was going to have to work my ass off for at least a day.

Posted by: Zakn at November 23, 2012 01:46 AM (YkUit)

217 got my copy of Brave, Christmas shopping is done unless someone has the Indiana Jones boxset for under $40 and Expendables 2 for cheaper that $17

Posted by: The Dude at November 23, 2012 01:48 AM (tw6Ar)

218 Ahh I thought you lived fairly close to Austin, Robert.. Oh well.

The Weimers that live at my parents house now are fuckin softies. They don't even perimeter check!

Posted by: Zakn at November 23, 2012 01:50 AM (YkUit)

219 So, after 2 hours of playing God of War 3, I'm sitting here watching
Bloodrayne. Which appears to be spectacularly bad, but damn is Kristanna
Loken hot.


So is her replacement in the sequels.

Which have no redeeming value as movies otherwise.

Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2012 01:52 AM (hO9ad)

220 if nothing else, it's fun watching Kingsly slumming it in Bloodrayne

Posted by: The Dude at November 23, 2012 01:56 AM (tw6Ar)

221 219 So, after 2 hours of playing God of War 3, I'm sitting here watching Bloodrayne. Which appears to be spectacularly bad, but damn is Kristanna Loken hot.

-------

So is her replacement in the sequels.

Which have no redeeming value as movies otherwise.
Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2012 01:52 AM (hO9ad)



Yeah, but the hotness is enough.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 23, 2012 02:00 AM (GEICT)

222 There's a lot of ppl that you'd recognize. Loken, Kingsley, Michelle Rodriguez, Michael Madsen (who was in Resevoir Dogs FFS!)

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 23, 2012 02:03 AM (GEICT)

223 221 219 So, after 2 hours of playing God of War 3, I'm sitting here watching Bloodrayne. Which appears to be spectacularly bad, but damn is Kristanna Loken hot.
-------
So is her replacement in the sequels.

Which have no redeeming value as movies otherwise.
Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2012 01:52 AM (hO9ad)

Yeah, but the hotness is enough.

-----------------------------------------------------------

For real fun, play BloodRayne 2 on the PC. Campy, bloody, sexy fun.

Learn the cheat codes, because there are some frustratingly difficult spots, and some seriously broken gameplay at times.

Posted by: Looking Glass at November 23, 2012 02:08 AM (g3wOT)

224 194
I cried when Travis had to shoot Old Yeller


I reached for the skinning knife and pot.


Posted by: Barack Obama at November 23, 2012 02:08 AM (H8YzT)

225 The Dude

Yes, horse movie. A really beautiful horse movie.

Though I wanted a war movie this evening, the war part of the movie I ignored mostly bc WWI was never compelling to me.

I liked it . . . because horses are pretty and strong at the same time, leaving me confused all the time.

Posted by: L is an elle at November 23, 2012 02:09 AM (0PiQ4)

226 I think that now I`m almost drunk, I`ll play some birds of steel. See if I can fly while drinking. Just got a flight stick and it works great, but have to get used to getting away from that bassackwards ps3 controller.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 02:11 AM (OJVLd)

227 I wrote something in combination of an "in memoriam" for a friend I lost last year in A-Stan and possibly as a nice homemade gift to my Marine BIL for Christmas. I'm wanting to make a woodcut or stamped leather print of it as the gift part. If I post it here, will all you 'rons promise not to steal it (I actually think it's good, which is a first when I write anything)? It's only about 10 minutes old, and premised on the mil / LEO community sheepdog thing. I'm needing some proofreaders.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 02:15 AM (lJJMb)

228 Wow, in a nutshell...

http://twitpic.com/bflvbd

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 23, 2012 02:15 AM (H8YzT)

229
Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 02:11 AM (OJVLd)

DCS BlackShark or DCS A-10C Warthog

Posted by: The Dude at November 23, 2012 02:24 AM (tw6Ar)

230 Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 01:15 AM (kaalw)


===


yeah, but ......


I need to get a handle on this crap. Now, I will grant you that the math sez the whole thing will crash really fast. But, the question I am really struggling with is this: "if my money is going to be wasted or destroyed by this behemoth -- and I can't seem to vote to do one damn thing about that -- why shouldn't I be the one doing the wasting?"


As near as I can tell, working will be a sucker's game for a while. But, me being me, I have been making a huge, complex spreadsheet fulla assumptions and factors about assumptions all stacked on top of each other and worked out to two decimals 40 years into the future. I know. Trust me, it is as silly as it sounds. I am just afraid to trust my gut without at least going thru the exercise.


But I am damned if I can really tell what these idiots even expected to happen, much less the question of whether their expectation has a hope. I can't even seem to get a handle on their model so I can begin to fret over whether it will work or not.


Below 400% over the poverty line -- they put out some bullshit data one could argue about. Above 400% over the poverty line -- echoing crickets. Huh? WTF? Didn't anybody frickin' ask?

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 02:29 AM (kfC1R)

231 Just a console guy The Dude. PS3`s all I do. To old now to be getting into the pc sim. Hell it`s almost a burden for me to map the stick for ps3

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 02:33 AM (Xj+wW)

232 Happy Thanksgiving. Looks like most everyone is night night, damn this living on the west coast, tee hee.. Hope everyone had a Blessed day!

Posted by: lou's a mean girl at November 23, 2012 02:34 AM (adaoe)

233 Just a console guy The Dude. PS3`s all I do. To old
now to be getting into the pc sim. Hell it`s almost a burden for me to
map the stick for ps3

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 02:33 AM (Xj+wW)

ah PS3 sims. genre is kinda lacking on the consoles outside of Wings of Prey and Ace Combat: Assault Horizon

Posted by: The Dude at November 23, 2012 02:36 AM (tw6Ar)

234 Hey Lou. A couple of us are still at it. Course it is only cuz I woke up from a Turkey coma earlier.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 02:42 AM (kfC1R)

235 The offer I made in 227 is still open. Need a hand here, morons.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 02:44 AM (lJJMb)

236 235
The offer I made in 227 is still open. Need a hand here, morons.


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 02:44 AM (lJJMb)

====
do we get a pocket fisherman with it? you pay the SH, right?

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 02:50 AM (kfC1R)

237 I much prefer Birds of Steel to the Ace Combat games I`ve had, I have a lot of fun with it without going online. Just decided to download it last week after having the demo sit for awhile. Online`s , well, not enough players. I`m a battlefield player moreso than anything else online, if you see br7mag that be me, so friend me if you would like.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 02:50 AM (Xj+wW)

238 Need a hand here, morons.


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 02:44 AM (lJJMb)

====
can you give us a small sample so we know what we're up against?

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 02:55 AM (kfC1R)

239 Howdy lous a mean girl and jc, happy Thanksgiving, hoping all is well.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 02:55 AM (Xj+wW)

240 can you give us a small sample so we know what we're up against?


Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 02:55 AM (kfC1R)
It's no novel. I doubt the spacing will work, what with our broken-assed blog, but here's the start. It's quite short, so there isn't much to follow:
A Sheepdog's Night



11/23/2012



The night is dark, and wolves are
about.



My flock sleeps. I do not.



The wolves may come; they may not.



My flock sleeps. I do not.



Let the wolves come, snapping and
howling.
They lust for blood, but will have none
tonight.



Though my flock sleeps, I will not.



When Night is past and morning has
arrived,
greeted by sweet
clover sparkling in easy sunlight,
my beloved will
bask, and feed,
and love easily.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 02:58 AM (lJJMb)

241
213 So, after 2 hours of playing God of War 3, I'm sitting here watching Bloodrayne. Which appears to be spectacularly bad, but damn is Kristanna Loken hot.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 23, 2012 01:45 AM (GEICT)


Its amazingly bad. Uwe Boll apparently believes that the human body is just skin holding in 30 gallons of blood.

Posted by: buzzion at November 23, 2012 02:59 AM (GULKT)

242
You want moist turkey you just pour gravy on it. That's what it is there fore. Hmm...hmm...gravy.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 23, 2012 03:00 AM (TYO2p)

243 234 Hey Lou. A couple of us are still at it. Course it is only cuz I woke up from a Turkey coma earlier.
Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 02:42 AM (kfC1R)

Hey, hubby and Iread the turkey attack story out of MA about an hour or so ago. Laughed our asses off. Best comment on the original cbs story.
Let the turkeys loose on the blue states, we don't even have to fight.
yeah, they have lost the man cards big time. Too funny, comments were hilarious.

Posted by: lou's a mean girl at November 23, 2012 03:03 AM (adaoe)

244 Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 02:58 AM (lJJMb)


===


seems to me that you are in the midst of doing something that comes from your heart. which, makes it right -- no matter what. there is nothing I could do that would not have the effect of diminishing it. Go with it just the way you feel it. It is already good, and it will be the best that way.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 03:04 AM (kfC1R)

245 Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 02:29 AM (kfC1R)




My degree's in Econ....but, somehow, they neglected to teach me about what happens when. I just know that printing money = value debasement.....but I can't tell you how many months will elapse.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 03:07 AM (kaalw)

246 JC, since you're being kind (the spacing is so wrong, f*ing Pixy!), this is the 2nd half:

Whole and hale, the night just a memory
quickly forgotten,
the danger but a shadow
burned away
against the gentle warmth
of morning
sunlight,
They Live.



There can be no wolves in a place
so serene,
so beautiful,
so full of life.



I know better, but can never tell them
so.
My flock will not
hear my words about the wolves.
The sunlight
blinds.



Tonight, my flock will sleep. I will
not.



Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 03:07 AM (lJJMb)

247 And then the trumpets softly blow
either here
either there
who shall know.
and laying softly in the ground some rest

while the sheep carry on

never knowing the test.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 03:08 AM (Xj+wW)

248 Someday, formatting will be back. I'll take even odds for that against the second coming if there's any takers. With Ace doing a gun thread, I may go 9:8 second coming.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 03:10 AM (lJJMb)

249 Went to dinner with all my hubby's liberal relatives. Was a wonderful day.

They were conspicuously quiet about the election. I was surprised, they never fail to give me and hubby shit about being conservative.

Posted by: lou's a mean girl at November 23, 2012 03:13 AM (adaoe)

250 247
And then the trumpets softly blow

either here

either there

who shall know.

and laying softly in the ground some rest



while the sheep carry on



never knowing the test.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 03:08 AM (Xj+wW)


Yep, I just tried to put a new twist on it.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 03:13 AM (lJJMb)

251 245
Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 02:29 AM (kfC1R)




My
degree's in Econ....but, somehow, they neglected to teach me about what
happens when. I just know that printing money = value
debasement.....but I can't tell you how many months will elapse.


Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 03:07 AM (kaalw)

===
yeah. competition will still apply, right? Prices cannot ever reach a point where absolutely no one can buy. the debasement curve has to have an asymptote somewhere doesn't it?

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 03:17 AM (kfC1R)

252 Your good, after reading yours that just came blathering out of my head from nowhere. You struck a chord.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 03:19 AM (Xj+wW)

253 249

They were conspicuously quiet about the election. I was surprised,
they never fail to give me and hubby shit about being conservative.

Posted by: lou's a mean girl at November 23, 2012 03:13 AM (adaoe)

=====
wonder what to make of that.
I have been saving the sentence: "thank you for faithfully restating what GE, Comcast, Time Warner, and Disney want me to believe" for the appropriate time. Haven't had the need to use it yet.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 03:21 AM (kfC1R)

254 Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 03:19 AM (Xj+wW)


Thanks. I've never written anything but corporate investigations and accident reports. It's getting on 2:30 here in Nashville, so goodnight, folks.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 03:25 AM (lJJMb)

255 wonder what to make of that.I have been saving the sentence: "thank you for faithfully restating what GE, Comcast, Time Warner, and Disney want me to believe" for the appropriate time. Haven't had the need to use it yet.
Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 03:21 AM (kfC1R)

Yeah, it was weird. But my hubbys NaNa is just a wonderful person, sweet . But a true liberal. Shes older, and I did not want to start anything.

But believe me when I tell you this, every time we go to his family house for any occasion we get jumped by liberals. Its just me, hubby my sister in law on our own.
Today not a damn thing was said, I think they know they were duped, swear to God!

Posted by: lou's a mean girl at November 23, 2012 03:29 AM (adaoe)

256 The offer I made in 227 is still open. Need a hand here, morons.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 23, 2012 02:44 AM (lJJMb)

Stepped away for a few and now I'm OBE. It's OK.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 03:04 AM (kfC1R) - Called it right.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 03:08 AM (Xj+wW) - Called it right also.

Send it from the heart and you can't go wrong.

Posted by: dDan at November 23, 2012 03:31 AM (q1RJB)

257 I was just thinking that this election was unique in the absence of gloating by the winners (and i work in Watts). I've come to the conclusion that the takers realize that they've just elected people who have sworn to use the force of government to take my money and give it to them and they know better than to brag about it.

Posted by: DAve at November 23, 2012 03:33 AM (XDC0v)

258 My

degree's in Econ....but, somehow, they neglected to teach me about what

happens when. I just know that printing money = value

debasement.....but I can't tell you how many months will elapse.




Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2012 03:07 AM (kaalw)

===
yeah.
competition will still apply, right? Prices cannot ever reach a point
where absolutely no one can buy. the debasement curve has to have an
asymptote somewhere doesn't it?


Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 03:17 AM (kfC1R)

Economics is part math, which tells you what will happen, and part psychology, which would tell you when if you had perfect knowledge of the thinking of every person in the marketplace. Eventually enough people will cry 'bullshit' and the lie collapses. Even if they don't say so, the behavioral changes due to seeing through the lie will alter behavior to the point that it eventually becomes unsustainable. Unfortunately due to the way exponents work on debt, the longer folks stubbornly refuse to acknowledge reality the greater the gap between the lie and the truth become (wait and it becomes worse).Since part of this is psychology, prices, in the absolute worst case, can in fact go so high that no one can buy.All that means is that no one values the little green slips of cotton displaying dead presidents enough to trade you real stuff for them. If I run a gas station, am starving, and the supermarket is bare, I'm not trading you fuel for paper in the vain hope the store will be stocked tomorrow. I will trade fuel for food.

Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2012 03:41 AM (hO9ad)

259 257 I was just thinking that this election was unique in the absence of gloating by the winners (and i work in Watts). I've come to the conclusion that the takers realize that they've just elected people who have sworn to use the force of government to take my money and give it to them and they know better than to brag about it.
Posted by: DAve at November 23, 2012 03:33 AM (XDC0v)

Well I think my hubby's family, who all have jobs,but are liberal, thought maybe they could escape the long arm of obamas taxes, and it bit them in their asses.

Posted by: lou's a mean girl at November 23, 2012 03:44 AM (adaoe)

260 Today not a damn thing was said, I think they know they were duped, swear to God!

Posted by: lou's a mean girl at November 23, 2012 03:29 AM (adaoe)
===

take my money and give it to them and they know better than to brag about it.

Posted by: DAve at November 23, 2012 03:33 AM (XDC0v)

=====
For years, I never came across any information regarding why the Great Depression lasted so long. Eventually, I came across a written realization by one of FDR's econ guys that they had it wrong, and even more so, that they were actually the problem.

We are in for a long and interesting ride, and it is somehow comforting to me to hear that conservatives are not the only ones holding their tongues.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 03:45 AM (kfC1R)

261 Well Night All.
My poem since Adriene is not here.

Here's to You
Heres to Me!
And if we ever disagree,
Fuck them and heres to you and me!

Posted by: lou's a mean girl at November 23, 2012 03:51 AM (adaoe)

262 I was just thinking that this election was unique in the absence of gloating by the winners
Have we met?

Posted by: president o'bumbles at November 23, 2012 03:58 AM (nkiQM)

263 All that means is that no one values the little
green slips of cotton displaying dead presidents enough to trade you
real stuff for them. If I run a gas station, am starving, and the
supermarket is bare, I'm not trading you fuel for paper in the vain hope
the store will be stocked tomorrow. I will trade fuel for food.


Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2012 03:41 AM (hO9ad)

====
agreed on all points. But, what are we to do in the meantime?
I am a guy that makes investment decisions by making spreadsheets with my assumptions and tweaking those assumptions from minus stupid thru likely to positive stupid just to see the sensitivity of the moving parts.
In order to do that, I have to be able to identify the base case. I don't have to believe in it, I just have to be able to write it down. This is where I am presently stuck. I can't write down the base case, because I am lacking data.
Right now, it appears to me that obummercare has provisions that will subsidize health insurance premiums for people up to 400% of the poverty line. But it presently appears that if a person were to make just $1 over the 400% magic line, that last buck would cost that person many thousands of dollars.
So, I am saying to myself -- they can't be that stupid, right? So, I am looking for phase in/phase out data and coming up blank. I suspect I am doing something wrong, cuz if I am not we are in a world of hurt. If they really are that stupid, then that will be the least of their mistakes, and life will be really tough on everybody.

The news told us countless times that CBO was running models. Why can't I find the answers to the most basic stuff? I could go directly to the law if I could find the text, but reading that stuff is usually tough sledding and often has all these little bits about changing CFR xxx.xx.xx by deleting a sentence here and there and you have to have all the references to have a hope of understanding it. Hasn't anybody crunched some numbers and put the details out for others to review? Where the hell is it?

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 04:05 AM (kfC1R)

264 But it presently appears that if a person were to make just $1 over the
400% magic line, that last buck would cost that person many thousands of
dollars.
So, I am saying to myself -- they can't be that stupid, right?


If you have 50 employees, Obamacare applies. At 49, it doesn't. Or at least that's what I've read. If they didn't think through the incentive they created for small businesses (or dismissed the notion outright as their public statements suggested), I don't think it's a safe assumption at all that they worried about the 400% issue.

As to the rest of your question, there were a lot of blanks in the legislation to be filled in by the HHS secretary at a later date, and from what I hear that hasn't been done yet.

So, yeah, total clusterfuck.

Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2012 04:16 AM (hO9ad)

265 JC --- check out The Market Ticker. Denninger has done a ton of work on the lie of 'odumbasscare'. He has the formulas and you are correct ---- we are going down fast and hard and soon. He also has a book out that covers the entire market downfall.

Posted by: CalyxtheCommoner at November 23, 2012 04:23 AM (fw+Wp)

266 Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2012 04:16 AM (hO9ad)


====


beyond insane. unemployment is going to get really bad if no one can figger out the damn rules.


I have learned more about the 49/50 employee thing lately, and it is not good. People are going to be required to disclose their finances to their employer -- no shit -- so the employer can run self testing on the 9.5% cap BS. Can you imagine your negotiations for a pay raise with your employer having your financial disclosure?


Also, the penalties don't start with Employee #50, they start with Employee #30. The trigger point is 50, but the penalties back up 20 people.


Our firm has 54 employees. Being nervous and planning ahead is just good sense, and it sure ain't easy to figger out how.


Also, if no one knows the damn rules, how in hell did CBO run any models?

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 04:28 AM (kfC1R)

267 Posted by: CalyxtheCommoner at November 23, 2012 04:23 AM (fw+Wp)


===


Thanks. I will give it a try.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 04:32 AM (kfC1R)

268 Working for myself the majority of my life, I don`t need a econ degree to tell me our economy is failing, we here know why. The fat lady aint gone be singing because the stick that will break our economy`s back is lack of faith in thereof. It built slowly starting in `07, getting quicker from `09 towards a snowball effect. My work was really slow, the day after the election calls almost stopped, I have not worked since. Lack of faith, people hoard, first thing, money. We will not be able to buy our way out of this one, they already tried that and it helped forestall to a certain extent, that`s over, we`re over.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 04:34 AM (Xj+wW)

269 Also, if no one knows the damn rules, how in hell did CBO run any models?

CBO does what they're told to do. And even then, I seem to remember they're the ones who pointed out that the Medicare 'savings' got double counted (a clear warning that there was fuzziness to see if anyone looked).

Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2012 04:41 AM (hO9ad)

270 Rightly, sorry to hear biz is so slow. You know, the real shit here is the only way to get rich other than stealing is to make other people happy. The fucking gov't has stepped in to demand that we stop making other people happy. They are completely fucking lost.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 04:48 AM (kfC1R)

271 Catch this part, too.


According to the word I am getting -- almost any health care plan that actually meets the minimum requirements -- will cost enough to go over the "Cadillac plan" threshold -- so, everyone who gets insurance through their job is going to have to pay a tax on the insurance they receive.



Also the estimates I am hearing are up to $36K / year per employee within a couple years.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 04:53 AM (kfC1R)

272 Yep jc, I do a service industry business, tree service and all types of tree care. I started contracting and consulting after shutting mine down in `97 because of big gov even down to the local level. The fall off between 08 and now is unbelievable. It did pick up some between March of this year until now, and I truly believe that was on the prospect of Zip and his bunch getting unelected. Seems that belief is holding true from a business standpoint since November 6. That`s what I mean, I be out and about in the real world and people aint getting off no green stamps for shit.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 05:04 AM (ZcFJK)

273 "Maybe peace would have broken out with a different kind of White House, one less committed to waging a perpetual campaign--a White House that would see a 51-48 victory as a call to humility and compromise rather than an irrefutable mandate."

--Barack Obama, from The Audacity of Hope, p. 20

Posted by: logprof at November 23, 2012 05:07 AM (gBuIk)

274 Barack Hussein Obama----- The Authenticity of Helplessness.

If I did not spell his name right, forgive me. It`s the first time ever to write his whole name, usually it`s derogatory sumpin or de udder.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 05:23 AM (ZcFJK)

275 Go Seminoles.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 23, 2012 05:24 AM (ZcFJK)

276 Later Kids, CYA.



====


I followed the Market Ticker link to some US Govt sites. There is info there, but there is also a lot of hype. The federal register release of a variety of rules and guidances will take some slugging thru to understand it.


Bet the math won't work, tho. Too many people will just decide to chuck it in and ride with the rest. Tax revenues will fall at the same time costs are flying up.

Posted by: jc at November 23, 2012 05:28 AM (kfC1R)

277 "Our firm has 54 employees. Being nervous and planning ahead is just good sense, and it sure ain't easy to figger out how."

Are any of them Obama voters? If so, your decision is easy.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 23, 2012 05:54 AM (dpaZU)

278 hi all
ugh can't sleep

Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2012 05:55 AM (d/5qf)

279 You know, the real shit here is the only way to get rich other than stealing is to make other people happy.

HA - Obummercare was written by the same crowd who believes profit is equivalent to exploitation of labor, none of this "making people happy" nonsense - so of course they want to cut down on profits

Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2012 05:58 AM (d/5qf)

280 Morning everyone, and welcome to Black Friday!

There's no way in hell in going outside further than my front porch today....unless an unplanned beer run is needed. If I need to do any 'shopping', I'll just browse Amazon for their door buster deals.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 23, 2012 06:10 AM (L7hol)

281 Sticky Wicket that is probably wise

Posted by: chemjeff at November 23, 2012 06:29 AM (d/5qf)

282 Good morning Yall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxcCC2g1Ke0

Check this.

Posted by: sTevo at November 23, 2012 06:56 AM (VMcEw)

283 >>>According to the word I am getting -- almost any health care plan that actually meets the minimum requirements -- will cost enough to go over the "Cadillac plan" threshold -- so, everyone who gets insurance through their job is going to have to pay a tax on the insurance they receive.

I looked at that a while back. Remember, they handed out exemptions like candy to their political allies and for them the Cadillac tax doesn't kick in until 2018. I wonder how it is going to fix people who have their healthcare through their retirement? With everything going up and being taxed, they may not be able to afford it. It may force more people into the "exchanges." I think one thing employers will be doing is offering plans that cover less (meaning more OOP expenses for you) in order to avoid the cadillac tax. And this is another way of rationing healthcare.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 23, 2012 07:10 AM (TYO2p)

284 So if Peace was euthanased, what was the other turkey's name? Democracy? And what happened to that one?

Posted by: perturbed at November 23, 2012 07:11 AM (u6Ueb)

285 Well I think my hubby's family, who all have jobs,but are liberal, thought maybe they could escape the long arm of obamas taxes, and it bit them in their asses.

****

Everyone thinks it will be the other guy that takes a hit.

Not me! THAT guy over there!

The fact that it isn't, ahem, the other guy will be a cold slap in the face to many but that really doesn't solve the problem because the underlying principles, their small-minded ignorance and selfishness, will remain.

Our society is sick and learning one lesson, I fear, will not change that fact.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 07:20 AM (piMMO)

286 So, a President couldn't singlehandedly ruin the greatest nation on Earth, could he? I mean, that's like saying an owner could singlehandedly ruin the NFL's most successful football franchise. It's crazy talk!

Posted by: Existential Musings at November 23, 2012 07:21 AM (bS6uW)

287 [W]hat was the other turkey's name? Democracy? And what happened to that one?

Strangled in its bed I regret to report.

Posted by: Existential Musings at November 23, 2012 07:24 AM (bS6uW)

288 Regarding the beer bread,

No need to buy a box of stale ingredients, Google/bing a recipe. Very easy and very cheap to do.

Ingredients can be as simple as
sugar
flour
beer.

If you don't want it to taste real beeery use a can/bottle of American pilsner type like Bud, PBR, Miller or a light (spit) beer.
If you want it a little more hearty use Sam Adams type.
Some recipes call for added herbs to make a dill type bread.
Or you can use club soda instead of the beer. (just a suggestion)

Posted by: Bruce at November 23, 2012 07:26 AM (h/h0n)

289 262 I was just thinking that this election was unique in the absence of gloating by the winners

W-wh-what?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 23, 2012 07:31 AM (zcVa1)

290 Well I think my hubby's family, who all have jobs,but are liberal, thought maybe they could escape the long arm of obamas taxes, and it bit them in their asses.

These are the people that need to be locked in a room for months and beaten daily.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 23, 2012 07:33 AM (zcVa1)

291 Obama sent out a message not to gloat. Thus we now know how many are completely obedient to Dear Leader.

So instead they were patronizingly tolerant of us and then plotted against us after we went back home.


Posted by: Miss Marple at November 23, 2012 07:35 AM (GoIUi)

292 I looked at that a while back. Remember, they handed out exemptions like candy to their political allies and for them the Cadillac tax doesn't kick in until 2018. I wonder how it is going to fix people who have their healthcare through their retirement? With everything going up and being taxed, they may not be able to afford it. It may force more people into the "exchanges." I think one thing employers will be doing is offering plans that cover less (meaning more OOP expenses for you) in order to avoid the cadillac tax. And this is another way of rationing healthcare.

****

I recently became disabled. I'm still an employee of the company, but I am classified as "retired" for now. As an active employee my insurance was $44 per month (the least expensive option). It carries a $1600 deductible before insurance pays a dime and a $4k deductible before it pays 100%. Now, as a retiree, that same plan costs $257 per month.

Sooooo, divide $1600 by 12 and add it to the monthly premium and I'm now spending $387 per month before the insurance company spends a dime. And, actually, it's more than that because the coverage is only 80% until $4k.

So, basically, you can pay for the insurance but can't afford to go to the doctor.

And...... This sharp increase occurs concurrent with my pay dropping by 40%.

I am blessed to be single with no kids and to have made a decent salary because, otherwise, I'd be screwed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2012 07:36 AM (piMMO)

293 "This collectivist impulse reflected itself in various heretical offshoots of Protestant Christianity ..."

Well, there goes his credibility. The dude pretends that he has learned history's lessons and then puts out that Thanksgiving turkey.

Posted by: Gerry at November 23, 2012 11:44 AM (G5lOH)






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