No, The Hispanic Vote Didn't Cost Romney The Victory

Via Byron York, they weren't even close to being the decisive factor.

For example, in Wisconsin, 3,056,613 votes were cast, of which 4 percent, or 122,264 votes, were cast by Hispanics according to exit polls. Mr. Obama’s margin of victory in Wisconsin was over 200,000 votes — even if all Hispanics had voted for Mr. Romney instead of voting for Mr. Obama by more than two to one, he would have won the state.

Not unexpectedly, the Hispanic vote was also not decisive in Iowa or New Hampshire where Mr. Obama could have carried the states even if he had won none of the Hispanic vote whatsoever.

In Ohio, where the president received an estimated 54 percent of the Hispanic vote, according to exit poll data, we find he could have won the state with as little as 22 percent of the Hispanic vote, and in Virginia, where he received 64 percent of the Hispanic vote, we find that he could have carried the state with just over 33 percent.

...

With these five swing states, along with the safe Democratic states that Mr. Obama should have carried regardless of the Hispanic vote, the president would have reached 283 electoral votes, winning the Electoral College without needing to win a majority of the Hispanic vote in each state.

So even if Romney equaled W's Holy Grail number from 2004, he still wouldn't have won.

Oh and that 2004 number? Yeah, it was an outlier for the GOP with Hispanics.

1984 66/34 Democrats
1988 70/30 Democrats (this was the first election after the last amnesty when
it should have paid off most for Republicans)
1992 61/25 Democrats (Perot was 16)
1996 72/21 Democrats (Perot was 6)
2000 62/35 Democrats (Buchanan 1, Nader 2)
2004 53/44 Democrats (Nader 2). Bush's support may have been as low as 40%.
2008 67/31 Democrats
2012 71/27 Democrats

If you average those numbers you'll see that the GOP traditionally gets about...31%. So Romney wasn't exactly that far off. Granted, this is a crude way of looking at it given the increase in the percentage of Hispanics, about 2% in 1988 up to 9% this year and lots of other factors, but it gives you a ballpark.

We seem to have this "Help us amnesty, you're our only hope!" conversation every two years and it's always wrong.

Long term the GOP needs to figure out a way to broaden its coalition but making more likely Democratic voters isn't going to do it. Personally, I'd start with toning down the rhetoric. Not making every illegal alien caught doing something terrible the poster child for all illegals seems like a reasonable start. If the price of reaching the "Hispanic" community is amnesty, we've got an unsquarable circle.

More immediately, the pro-amnesty forces are going to keep pushing out crap about how amnesty is the key to the GOP's future. Don't buy it.

There may well be a humanitarian case for regularizing their status but amnesty supporters need to make it and stop making up BS reasons that are easily disprovable.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:00 AM



Comments

1 1st....

Posted by: The Most Interesting Man In The World at November 21, 2012 10:04 AM (GQ72I)

2 All that we need to do to win in change everything that we believe in

/ concern troll

Posted by: In Exile at November 21, 2012 10:05 AM (XZVQn)

3
Long term the GOP needs to ..............

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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Posted by: Mayan Calender - The Original LIB at November 21, 2012 10:06 AM (nELVU)

4 Great. We more or less knew this already. And the gop'ers who are having a hissy fit are the same ones who are always hissy fitting.

So when can we start blaming white people? Not enough of them voted for Romney. Pure and simple.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 21, 2012 10:06 AM (PxGrF)

5 Perhaps it's time to start allocating votes by race.

Posted by: Fuckstick Justice Roberts at November 21, 2012 10:07 AM (j5ex0)

6 We need a Spanish language Fox News type network and/or conservative talk show hosts. Maybe some of those hosts already exist in the border states, I don't know. But it would help to get the message to that population.

Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 10:08 AM (jm/9g)

7 So all these publicity photos of R's holding tacos are going to be wasted?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 21, 2012 10:08 AM (/u/CK)

8 The GOP should get busy with the various hispanic chambers of commerce and whatnot. There seem to be many hispanic small businesses, immigrants are famous for starting their own small businesses and that is certainly true of urban hispanic neighborhoods.

And get with the spanish-speaking media fer cryan out loud. Spanish TV went after Barky good and hard on Fast and Furious. Why didn't the GOP latch onto that and make it a national story, led by Spanish TV?

Huge opportunity squandered.

Posted by: Boots at November 21, 2012 10:08 AM (neKzn)

9 And Drew gives Ben the open-handed slap! THAT had to hurt!

Posted by: joncelli, WWF commentator at November 21, 2012 10:09 AM (RD7QR)

10 Let's see 99.9% black votes go to the non white candidate, 49% of the white votes go to the non white candidate....

Posted by: Fuckstick Justice Roberts at November 21, 2012 10:09 AM (j5ex0)

11 This is old shit that has already been said by a number of people. The only people still spouting this shit are the liberals, RINOs, and idiots.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 10:09 AM (YdQQY)

12
For whatever reason, Bush got millions more votes in 2004. Those are the voters that stayed home.

I suspect that it was blue collar Republicans who just weren't into Romney's gun, Romneycare history, and tax cuts for the higher earners. At least that's what I see around me with friends and family.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 21, 2012 10:10 AM (3PHCO)

13 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 10:10 AM (8y9MW)

14 Perhaps its time for me to decide the intent of the voters and we can just dispense with polling and use that money to feed lazy freeloading gold brickers. Or hobos.

Posted by: Fuckstick Justice Roberts at November 21, 2012 10:11 AM (j5ex0)

15 Well, come on, we all know the the illegals are the hardest working people in the history of work. Also, they are natural conservatives. I base this upon the powerful individualist traditions of such countries as Mexico, Venezuela, and Cuba.

Posted by: Zippo Bibrox 5x10 at November 21, 2012 10:11 AM (LttFA)

16 So how can we use this info to denigrate and blame SoCons?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:11 AM (da5Wo)

17 What the GOP should do is make a public declaration through non-MFM channels that "here are the GOP's small government principles. We believe they are the best solution for all walks of life regardless of race, creed, or national origin and we welcome all people to join us in those principles."


But they will never do that. The RINOs still control RNC.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 10:12 AM (YdQQY)

18 Maybe we can have free crack day in the hood to celebrate everytime a non-white wins an election.

Posted by: Fuckstick Justice Roberts at November 21, 2012 10:12 AM (j5ex0)

19 We really do have a stupid party. You can pretty much sum up what we're capable of learning from losing elections by looking at what everyone believed before the election, and then seeing them raising the fucking volume on it afterwards. Net progress = zero.

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 21, 2012 10:13 AM (E55AK)

20 You think DHS is gonna hack my Ace handle?

Posted by: Fuckstick Justice Roberts at November 21, 2012 10:13 AM (j5ex0)

21 We need a Spanish language Fox News type network and/or conservative talk show hosts.


WTF for? Fox is not conservative and has always been on the amnesty bandwagon.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 10:13 AM (YdQQY)

22 I suspect that it was blue collar Republicans who just weren't into
Romney's gun, Romneycare history, and tax cuts for the higher earners.
At least that's what I see around me with friends and family.


I suspect, based on what I'm seeing, that you're correct.

Which absolutely infuriates me. They'd rather put up with a SCOAMT for 4 more years, 4 more years of economic depression, and 4 more years of foreign policy disasters than trust Romney when he says "Federalism, Federalism, tax cuts for everyone paying taxes."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 10:13 AM (8y9MW)

23 I have softened. I like to call it the "Awake Act".

For folks brought here by their parents before the age of 18, 4 years of Federal Service (some folks aren't cut out for the military, yet can definitely make contributions to our society...I wouldn't begrudge a mathematically gifted teenager working at Los Alamos or something in lieu of carrying a rifle) followed by a naturalization process is a viable path forward. As soon as they are sworn in and biometrically IDed, no more fear of deportation unless convicted of a Felony. Pay taxes, get services, and once you've crossed all the Is and dotted all the Ts, you get to vote.

If you knowing came here in violation of the law at 35, we can deal with that next...but it won't be this pretty.

What's the issue there? Why can't someone vote on that as is tomorrow, Mr. Boehner? It's a start.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 21, 2012 10:13 AM (hNXHo)

24
Perhaps its time for me to decide the intent of the voters and we can
just dispense with polling and use that money to feed lazy freeloading
gold brickers. Or hobos.

Posted by: Fuckstick Justice Roberts at November 21, 2012 10:11 AM (j5ex0)


------
Bobbie... pal....
This path you placed us on???? We're ALL gonna be hobo's in the end.

Even YOU, buddy.

Posted by: Economic Reality at November 21, 2012 10:13 AM (nELVU)

25 12, I don't get it, why did they worry about what Romney might have potentially tried to do when Obama is actually, um, DOING it?

Posted by: Zippo Bibrox 5x10 at November 21, 2012 10:14 AM (LttFA)

26 Personally, I'd start with toning down the rhetoric. Not making every illegal alien caught doing something terrible the poster child for all illegals seems like a reasonable start.


Tone it down how? Who do you propose should be the poster child for all illegals? The women 9 months pregnant who cross the border to have the anchor baby? The mid 40's guy who is a landscaper? The 30ish or so woman in line in front of you at Walmart who can neither speak nor read a single bit of English and who holds up the entire line because she can't communicate? Perhaps a blow up of a help wanted ad where the employer is demanding that the employees be bilingual (but nearly only ever in Spanish) while showing those who come here who become furious when people refuse to learn their language instead of the immigrant learning ours. Using the faces of the majority of those here illegally will result in even more shrieking about racism.

When what should be the straight forward position of what do I think about illegal immigration, I think it's illegal is considered to be beyond the pale of civil discourse, there is no way to turn it down.


Personally, this is another you go first to the Left. I will stop saying hey I have huge problems with refusing to enforce our borders and refusing to deport those who violate our laws after they are here when the Left stops telling me that I'm a motherfucking Nazi. They. Go. First. Until that point? Yeah, I have no problem in pointing out that when you drive there is a pretty damn significant chance you're going to get in an accident with someone who doesn't speak a word of English, doesn't have a valid license and doesn't have any type of insurance at all. You want to call me racist for that? Go ahead. I no longer give a shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 21, 2012 10:14 AM (VtjlW)

27 #19...actually things are going negative about $4 billion a day.

Posted by: Fuckstick Justice Roberts at November 21, 2012 10:14 AM (j5ex0)

28
Well, come on, we all know the the illegals are the hardest working
people in the history of work. Also, they are natural conservatives. I
base this upon the powerful individualist traditions of such countries
as Mexico, Venezuela, and Cuba.

Posted by: Zippo Bibrox 5x10 at November 21, 2012 10:11 AM




And all their children are valedictorians.


Posted by: huerfano at November 21, 2012 10:15 AM (bAGA/)

29 I saw a comment somewhere (maybe here) that too many blue collar guys thought that Romney looked like their boss that they hate so they didn't vote for him.

Posted by: Boots at November 21, 2012 10:15 AM (neKzn)

30 Guess it's time to stop hatin' on the Mexicans then. Obviously, nothing to see there, move along. Obama's victory was ordained by God, obviously. Good thing we've had the funeral and memorial service for this debacle, right? We can all just go back to the status quo, right? And get ready for the next debacle in 4 years? Fuck it. I secede.
The "Party" I voted for a few weeks ago won't make any moves. I've gone full-tilt Libertarian. Might as well.

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 10:15 AM (BoE3Z)

31 I don't care that in the swing states Hispanic voters wouldn't have carried the day. It still was 70-30 nationally. That said, the GOP shouldn't use that as an excuse for an amnesty plan.

The plan should be as with other low information voters and culturally conservative Democrats, is to educate them why they should be conservative or let the fire teach them. Unfortunately they will never learn as long as Santa Claus is still handing out presents. Burn the sled!

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 10:16 AM (m2CN7)

32 6 We need a Spanish language Fox News type network and/or conservative talk show hosts. Maybe some of those hosts already exist in the border states, I don't know. But it would help to get the message to that population.
Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 10:08 AM (jm/9g)


Not a terrible idea. We could buy Aurora Public Access, er...ahhh Current TV and start a Conservative network. I've got 50 bucks not doing anything.

Oh, a little more Conservative than FOX and no Shepardio Smithriguez, either.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 21, 2012 10:16 AM (sGWH5)

33 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 21, 2012 10:14 AM (VtjlW)



I love AtC rants.



Here, care for a shot? I've got a bottle of Jager in the freezer.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:16 AM (da5Wo)

34 Oh, a little more Conservative than FOX and no Shepardio Smithriguez, either.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 21, 2012 10:16 AM (sGWH5)


Can we hire Geraldo just so that we can throw chairs at him?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:17 AM (da5Wo)

35 We need more Hispanics because they aren't jōōös

Posted by: helen thomas at November 21, 2012 10:18 AM (uFY4s)

36 Is it just the long-term effects of Valu-Rite, or do I seem to recall when the Dims were all for closing the Mexican border out of fear that all those newly-minted Americans would vote Pubbie?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 21, 2012 10:18 AM (lOmbq)

37 Romney lost because of Sandy/Fat Boy Christy's BJ to Cakeboy and 10% of Republicans would "never" vote for a Mormon.

Posted by: eureka! at November 21, 2012 10:18 AM (UL+ny)

38 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 21, 2012 10:14 AM (VtjlW)

^^^ Boom! Taste my nightstick!

*clapping*

Posted by: Infidel at November 21, 2012 10:18 AM (O/fK8)

39

See..... SEEE!!!!!!

We TOLD you we would get the Republican help us pass Amnesty.

Si Se Puedo..... Vote another four years for us.



(heh heh..... stupid Republicans)

Posted by: The Democratic Party at November 21, 2012 10:19 AM (nELVU)

40 AtC, you wanna go burn some shit? Up or down, whatever you like.


I have several lighters and a gas can.

Posted by: fluffy at November 21, 2012 10:20 AM (z9HTb)

41 How about we start highlighting the LEGAL immigrants who vote Republican. And maybe start highlighting the LEGAL immigrants who came here to get away from true hellholes like the Soviet Union and Cuba, and who don't want this country to turn into what they came here to get away from.

Stop making this about who's going to take care of all the illegal immigrants. I'm sick of making the story about them, because it gives them legitimacy. Start making this about how immigrants have come here and learned to thrive, LEGALLY.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:20 AM (4df7R)

42 Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 10:13 AM (YdQQY)
___

Relax, Vic - I said Fox News "type" since it's the only conservative leaning TV outlet I'm aware of. I stopped watching Fox Newseven when I still had a TV a few years ago.

AFAIK it's still the only cable news outlet that presents a view different than the coordinated Axelrod message disseminated by the MFM.

Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 10:20 AM (jm/9g)

43 Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 21, 2012 10:10 AM (3PHCO)

I'd say those blue collar 'Republicans' need to educate themselves and if they stayed home or voted for Obama then I question the label 'Republican'.

I refuse to make excuses for people who allowed Obama to be reelected. Our descent into the abyss is entirely on them.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 10:21 AM (m2CN7)

44 Stop making this about who's going to take care of all the illegal
immigrants. I'm sick of making the story about them, because it gives
them legitimacy. Start making this about how immigrants have come here
and learned to thrive, LEGALLY.

------

Ummm..... we'll get RIGHT on that..... pinky promise!!!

Posted by: The M.F.M at November 21, 2012 10:22 AM (nELVU)

45 Can we hire Geraldo just so that we can throw chairs at him?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:17 AM (da5Wo)


Halftime Show! Every two hours. On our version of Red Eye, we'll duct tape him to a chair.

.....and ginormously endowed weather babes.

Tight sweaters....gotta have 'em.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 21, 2012 10:22 AM (sGWH5)

46 Rebranding the Republican party as the Liberty party sounds good to me, and then make a play for the hipsters who want open source everything.

The RNC position paper on intellectual property that was promptly snuffed out was actually a good start on that.....so of course the rinos had to stomp on it.

Posted by: Boots at November 21, 2012 10:22 AM (neKzn)

47 Appeal to Santa Anna? Here's my vote......where's my cigar?

Posted by: William Barrett Travis at November 21, 2012 10:23 AM (9ghZ6)

48 .....and ginormously endowed weather babes.



Tight sweaters....gotta have 'em.





Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 21, 2012 10:22 AM (sGWH5)


Can the sweaters be white? And can I be allowed a Super Soaker?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:24 AM (da5Wo)

49 You want to call me racist for that? Go ahead. I no longer give a shit.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 21, 2012 10:14 AM (VtjlW)


*clapping wildly*

*dabbing at tears in eyes with lace handkerchief* Oh, that was beautiful. That should be framed.

AtC, you really should take your various rants and get them published in a compendium. I'd buy it!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:24 AM (4df7R)

50 Good one alex

Posted by: alex the rooster.(crappy name at November 21, 2012 10:24 AM (uFY4s)

51 Here, care for a shot? I've got a bottle of Jager in the freezer.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:16 AM (da5Wo)



God, yes. Did I miss another SoCon war? Because if that shit keeps up I will be forced to work at work to avoid that and that's just not right.


AtC, you wanna go burn some shit? Up or down, whatever you like.


That's rhetorical, right?


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 21, 2012 10:25 AM (VtjlW)

52 Okay, I just came up with this, so it might be a little rough around the edges.

Mitt Romney lost because he would not define himself. Not in the "so he allowed his opponent to do it" sense (though, that too), but it meant that people were unsure.

As ace points out from time to time, we're in the top 1% of informed voters. We knew where he stood on all kinds of things that people in (say) the bottom 50% didn't. Note that this isn't just "LIVs," it's also people who pay attention to the news (even if they get most of their news from the MFM), but don't go to political blogs, or follow politicians on twitter.

So when they looked at Mitt Romney, they were unsure of what he stood for. Now, some of those people were Obama Voters who'd been burned once by a "blank slate" and weren't going to take the chance again. Others were generally conservative voters who saw a rich, Northeastern Republican and automatically felt a little wary.

And then you get to the actual LIVs, whose view of Romney really was created solely by the MFM.

I think those are the "missing" votes. I think those people, unsure of what Romney would do, would never vote for Barack Obama (or never vote for him again), but couldn't quite bring themselves to vote for Mitt Romney, either.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 10:26 AM (8y9MW)

53 I love the ace of spades rants

Posted by: alex at November 21, 2012 10:26 AM (uFY4s)

54
AtC, you really should take your various rants and get them published in a compendium. I'd buy it!

The Elucidations and Pontifications of our Most Benevolent Queen.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 21, 2012 10:26 AM (lOmbq)

55 49
You want to call me racist for that? Go ahead. I no longer give a shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 21, 2012 10:14 AM (VtjlW)
Let me add an "amen" to your sentiment. I'm wayyyyy past caring about currying the approval of my enemies. I wish some of the "Conservative" (snicker) standard bearers would follow suit.

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 10:27 AM (BoE3Z)

56 God, yes. Did I miss another SoCon war? Because if that shit keeps up
I will be forced to work at work to avoid that and that's just not
right.





Lol. Not that I'm aware of, but I'm sure there's some thread in the last day or two where it happened.


Work? At work? What is this you speak of?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:27 AM (da5Wo)

57 What's funny to me is that it doesn't really matter what the GOP does on immigration. The current laws are being ignored, circumvented, and violated like an 18 year old porn star by Mandingo Max. Does anyone in here believe that if for some reason that Republicans had both houses of congress, and the presidency, passed an immigration reform bill that required all illegals go back to their home country before they could apply for Citizenship or whatever...that any following Democrat president or congress would care? They just wouldn't enforce it. And for fuck sake we know the illegals don't give a shit about our laws.

We are fucked.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 21, 2012 10:27 AM (U9ywS)

58 They come over the border to make money.

They will do all kinds of things to make money. There are people who are American citizens who aid and abet this.
There is an incredibly lucrative and violent and dangerous drug trade going on at the border. People are dying by the score weekly. People (our fellow citizens) are being terrorized, threatened and killed and our government doesn't seem to care.

Given the statements by my Jacksonian Democrat brother in -law (who hates all Republicans), there is a fair chance he would vote for a party that actually planned to control the border. Because I think he hates Mexicans more than Republicans (but that could be a toss-up question).

California will never go Republican again in my lifetime, and the Mexican invasion is the main reason why. Nevada is next, followed by New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona. Texas will follow and be the next dominoe to fall (in a generation). Rahm Emmanuel wants them voting now, because he is probably getting paid of by the Latin Kings drug gang.

This is the Reconquista, and it is real. Yet, many "thoughtful" Republicans are yet enamored of more amnesty. Let's kill this thing quicker and get to the next chapter of "Whatever Happened to the American Republic?"

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers at November 21, 2012 10:27 AM (Md8Uo)

59 Relax, Vic - I said Fox News "type" since it's the only conservative leaning TV outlet I'm aware of


It is not even "conservative leaning" in the actual news area. They are all Democrats and liberals except Brit Hume who they removed from the nightly news.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 10:28 AM (YdQQY)

60
Posted by: eureka! at November 21, 2012 10:18 AM (UL+ny)

I have two groups of Republicans around me. Low information blue collar Republicans who sometimes vote and evangelicals. Every evangelical around me voted for Romney. All of the squishy sometimes voters stayed home because Romney's message of tax cuts for their bosses just didn't motivate them.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 21, 2012 10:28 AM (3PHCO)

61 OT - Just found out my dumb shit nephew got arrested again. This time he stole the guns and computer from a Sheriff's cruiser. This is what happens when you smoke pot while pregnant and your child-rearing philosophy is "I'm not their mother, I'm their friend." I can tell this is going to be an uncomfortable Thanksgiving around the family table.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2012 10:28 AM (L8r/r)

62
There may well be a humanitarian case for regularizing their status


Bull. Shit.


You think having large families is a recent event to for Latinos since discovering an open border to the north? Many IF NOT ALL of the illegals send fucking Billions of dollars back home. They are buying land. They are building new homes. They are funding businesses for thier extended families. Send the illegal moms and dads back along with the anchor babies. They will be quite comfy in the new lifestyle they built for themselves back home.

This is not a bigoted-talking-out-my-ass rant. I married a Pinoy that came here legally. Every Filipino we know, EVERY ONE, sends money back home. Latinos are no different.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 21, 2012 10:29 AM (ITxHU)

63 Can the sweaters be white? And can I be allowed a Super Soaker?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:24 AM (da5Wo)


Already in the business plan.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 21, 2012 10:29 AM (sGWH5)

64 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 10:26 AM (8y9MW)



If I may AG, I would add something. That views LIVs in respect to Romney. It goes the other way as well. There are a lot of people out there who simply do not possess the info on what the Obama admin has done. Be it FnF, Benghazi, the absurd stimulus loans, etc.


I posted a week or so ago the story about my wife's uncle. If you missed it, I can repost.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:30 AM (da5Wo)

65 All of the squishy sometimes voters stayed home because Romney's message of tax cuts for their bosses just didn't motivate them.

That wasn't his message. That was never his message.

But, then, you admitted they're LIVs.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 10:30 AM (8y9MW)

66 La Raza wasn't built in a day, my friends.

Posted by: Dos EqXXuis at November 21, 2012 10:31 AM (rzTDZ)

67 Mitt Romney lost because he would not define himself. Not in the "so he allowed his opponent to do it" sense (though, that too), but it meant that people were unsure.

This is correct. And the other problem was, the horrible R Nat'l Convention. Yes, the media helped bury it, but it was pretty much bland to begin with.

The MSM is hostile, so the R candidate only gets ads, debates and the RNC convention to state a case. That's it. He did well in one debate. Not. Enough.

(none of this matters anyway, you know. that's not necessarily meant to be comforting.)

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 21, 2012 10:31 AM (J6kXj)

68 Endorsed

Posted by: Andy at November 21, 2012 10:31 AM (OZPoa)

69 how did iowa get so blue!? nv i understand: las vegas is essentially a large-scale urban altar to the failed religion of chintzy glamour.

but ia?

i thought we had a monopoly on undereducated xtian farmers. are price-inflating maize subsidies really worth so much?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 10:31 AM (79EF9)

70 Si Se Puede.

Posted by: Typical GOP Panderer at November 21, 2012 10:32 AM (4I3Uo)

71 i thought we had a monopoly on undereducated xtian farmers. are price-inflating maize subsidies really worth so much?
Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 10:31 AM (79EF9)


Yes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:32 AM (4df7R)

72
The network exit poll showed the President winning among California's Latinos by 45 points, Asian Americans by 58 points and African Americans by 93 points.

Mark DiCamillo, The Field Poll - Capitol Weekly




Sorry guys, with margins like that we're not going to "message tweak" our way to victory.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2012 10:33 AM (kdS6q)

73 The network exit poll showed the President winning among California's Latinos by 45 points, Asian Americans by 58 points and African Americans by 93 points.Mark DiCamillo, The Field Poll - Capitol Weekly

I wish they'd clarify the "Asian American" statement. Asia's a fucking huge place. Are we talking largely East Asia, Southeast Asia, the Mideast, India, what?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:34 AM (4df7R)

74
"This time he stole the guns and computer from a Sheriff's cruiser."

Ballsy.

Stupid, but ballsy.

Posted by: Typical GOP Panderer at November 21, 2012 10:35 AM (4I3Uo)

75 Regarding Iowa, or any other rural part of the USA, those areas are being bled of people and capital. Drive thru America's midsection sometime, it's not prosperous.

Farm subsidies are a lifeline. Growing corn for ethanol allows farmers to stay on their land and keep it, rather than sell the land at auction to Warren Buffet or Bill Gates, who are both buying thousands of acres of farmland right now.

Farmers are rugged individualists, yes, but reality confronts them every single morning at 4am.

Posted by: Boots at November 21, 2012 10:35 AM (neKzn)

76 off filthy RINO sock

Posted by: Jaws at November 21, 2012 10:35 AM (4I3Uo)

77 61 "I'm not their mother, I'm their friend."

I fear for the future women in that guy's path. As awesome as they'll be, mommy will always be so,n so, so much better.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 21, 2012 10:35 AM (hNXHo)

78 Just found out my dumb shit nephew got arrested again. This time he stole the guns and computer from a Sheriff's cruiser.

He'd do less time with a straight up bank robbery, and the majority of bank robbers actually get away with the crime.

After he gets out of prison, counsel him on the notion of ROI, because its critical to the success or failure of a career criminal. High risk low payoff shit is not the way to go.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 10:35 AM (rZr77)

79 Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 21, 2012 10:31 AM (J6kXj)

The Republican Convention was a hit precisely because of Clint Eastwood. It was his appearance that allowed the convention to reach the LIV and it was a great message. Unfortunately, they still preferred an empty chair Santa Claus.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 10:35 AM (m2CN7)

80 I will tone it down. It may not be genocide, but ethnic cleansing that is happening against whites and blacks in this country, thanks to both parties.

Posted by: Baldy at November 21, 2012 10:35 AM (opS9C)

81
71
i thought we had a monopoly on undereducated xtian farmers. are price-inflating maize subsidies really worth so much?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 10:31 AM (79EF9)
Yeah I think they are. "Farmers" have been on the Government for decades. You know why the bill of a farmer's cap is always curled? It's from sticking his head in the mailbox, looking for the gub'mint check.
And "Christian"? Well that's a "very" mixed bag demographic. Mainstream Christians - Methodists, Presbys, Lutherans, Catholics - lots and lots of Obama voters there.

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 10:37 AM (BoE3Z)

82 Those busloads of Somalis in Ohio are what elected Hussein the Messiah.

Posted by: zero is the one at November 21, 2012 10:37 AM (Kflw4)

83 How about for every dime that an Illegal gets in govt welfare or service we take that same amount from a legal resident that gets govt welfare or service? Random lottery "your welfare is now going to so and so". How long would the taker class put up with somebody that steals from them?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 21, 2012 10:38 AM (tf9Ne)

84 and just to chime in on the romney thing, while it may seem a bit shameless for a native texan and in-the-tank perryite to pontificate a posteriori, i was saying from the beginning that a rich, white northeastern banker was a pretty stupid candidate to float while americans were still feeling the stresses of a depression for which rich, white northeastern bankers largely remain public enemy no. 1. @.@

i'm not sure perry could have recovered from those ludicrously cringe-worthy gaffes variously blamed on lack of sleep, back pain, and the psychotropic effects of narcotic pain medication, and i'm not sure any of the other candidates could have provided a reasonable alternative (fifteenth look at newt? o.O), but there wasn't any reason to believe that romney could possibly have been a strong candidate, and the initially tepid reception to his acquisition of the nomination certainly never kindled into anything like the political furore that would have been necessary to combat the Highest Black Turnout Of All Time.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 10:38 AM (79EF9)

85 They bussed the Mexicans in to FL polling places as well. As somebody reported here, they had an interpreter who instructed them to bubble in just one name.

Posted by: William Barrett Travis at November 21, 2012 10:39 AM (9ghZ6)

86 82 Those busloads of Somalis in Ohio are what elected Hussein the Messiah.

It was just a shitty replay of Reid v Angle in Nevada's Senate race a few years back. When I heard of the buses rolling up to the casinos to ferry people to the polls, I looked at Sharron's "lead" and sighed. At least (R)s got the House back.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 21, 2012 10:39 AM (hNXHo)

87 Romney is too nice a guy to be the face of collapse.

Posted by: zero is the one at November 21, 2012 10:39 AM (Kflw4)

88 "You know why the bill of a farmer's cap is always curled? It's from sticking his head in the mailbox, looking for the gub'mint check."

ha-ha, that's such a terrible joke i'm going to have to steal it xD

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 10:41 AM (79EF9)

89 Man I'm no genius but these people who do Beck's Moron Trivia are just...appalling.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 21, 2012 10:41 AM (9ghZ6)

90 .....and ginormously endowed weather babes.
Tight sweaters....gotta have 'em.


We must, we must, we must increase our bust!

The bigger the better the tighter the sweater theboys depend on us!

Posted by: Angel Beach Babes at November 21, 2012 10:41 AM (BrQrN)

91 AllenG - agree.

After a few weeks reflection, I see how Romney handled his campaign wrong after the first debates.

He got a big bounce because he was finally getting a bit more specific. He then turned around and made his campaign about short, meaningless (to some voters) campaign slogans. Obama destroyed him on the "no details" line as well - all while providing no details on his stupid "plans" for the future.

Romney should have had informational ads, explaining how more jobs would grow the economy and thus revenues without needing tax hikes.

He should have explicitly said every campaign stop that Obama was lying and the GOP did not want to take any rights or privileges away from women.

People, and especially women, just did not believe him. And idiots like Akin and Mourdock sealed the deal for Obama.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2012 10:42 AM (f9c2L)

92 The bussing in of Somalis (OH)and Mexicans(FL) - How many were there and whose registrations were they using?

Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 10:43 AM (jm/9g)

93 1. Amnesty for illegal aliens
2. Huge increase in Democrat-leaning voters.
3. ???
4. Permanent GOP dominance!!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2012 10:43 AM (pwyhn)

94 58, shhh. You might be told to go back to Stormfront, you nativist.

Posted by: Zippo Bibrox 5x10 at November 21, 2012 10:43 AM (2HdXd)

95 People, and especially women, just did not believe him. And idiots like Akin and Mourdock sealed the deal for Obama.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2012 10:42 AM (f9c2L)


Because 75% of women are idiots.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:43 AM (4df7R)

96
Rmney lost because this has been a leftist country for a long time, our saving grace up until now was that most of them were too cynical to vote. Apparently that is no longer the case.


Yes it is the media that cultivated this. They rarely do so explicitly, because the underhanded approach is so much more effective. If you can SUGGEST that America and Israel are evil, without actually saying so, the listener thinks they actually had a thought of their own and it sticks, its very powerful. Its what they've decided and no evidence can prove otherwise. Strange that insinuation can be so much more powerful than truth, but it is what it is.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 21, 2012 10:44 AM (xXhWA)

97 "Farmers are rugged individualists, yes, but reality confronts them every single morning at 4am."

gee, iono.

you wanna stay a private farmer in 2012? fine. but go for the subsistence thing. youn't need an iphone. youn't need plasma tv.

if you wanna join the rest of us who have sold our souls to consumerism, accepting interventionalist subsidies driving up the cost of the second-most-important cereal in the world is not the way to do it.

Move To The City.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 10:44 AM (79EF9)

98 Because 75% of women are idiots.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:43 AM (4df7R)


That number seems kinda low.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:44 AM (da5Wo)

99 Speaking of Somalis, we've got a SHITLOAD of them here in NH. Lots of Somali refugees get settled in Manchester and Concord.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:45 AM (4df7R)

100 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2012 10:42 AM (f9c2L)

Sorry, another inaccurate or misinformed description of the Romney campaign. The things you said he didn't do were the central point at his campaign stops. Hell prior to him winning the primary , people on our side were making fun of his 54 point economic plan. During the campaign, he was criticized for have a policy wonk like Paul Ryan as his running mate.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 10:45 AM (m2CN7)

101 That number seems kinda low.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:44 AM (da5Wo)


I'm trying to be generous, in the spirit of Thanksgiving. My original post was "because women are idiots," but that seemed to all encompassing, since I know the 'ettes aren't idiots.

Maybe 95%?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:46 AM (4df7R)

102 If someone should be looked at, it is Eric Cantor. Why did he sit on the Petraeus info?

Posted by: Baldy at November 21, 2012 10:48 AM (opS9C)

103 I'm trying to be generous, in the spirit of
Thanksgiving. My original post was "because women are idiots," but that
seemed to all encompassing, since I know the 'ettes aren't idiots.



Maybe 95%?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:46 AM (4df7R)



Eh, that still seems pretty optimistic, but hey, you're right, it's Thanksgiving.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:48 AM (da5Wo)

104 Probably already mentioned, but it's not the percentage that matters, it's the overall numbers. If we're getting consistently low percentages of agrowing group, yeah that hurts. So yeah, the Hispanic vote did hurt. BUT, amnesty would only make things worse, not better. At least as far as the GOP goes.

Posted by: yinzer at November 21, 2012 10:48 AM (/Mla1)

105 97 - many farmers have indeed moved to the city. Their children certainly have.

Rural areas are populated by old people. Schools all over rural America have shuttered/consolidated.

Farm policies for a long time now have been shaped by agribusiness. Most secretaries of agriculture are drawn from agribusiness. Agribusiness is a rent-seeker, just like all the other rent-seekers.

The actual family farmers are a smaller piece of the pie all the time, and when Obama gets his dream and the death tax goes back up, there will be even fewer of them. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are ready to swoop in and buy the family farms, because the family can't keep the farm AND pay the death tax.

That has been Buffet's MO for years now, with all small family businesses. He advocates for a high death tax and higher taxes in general because he profits from them.

Posted by: Boots at November 21, 2012 10:50 AM (neKzn)

106 Maybe 95%?



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:46 AM (4df7R)


Eh, that still seems pretty optimistic, but hey, you're right, it's Thanksgiving.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 10:48 AM (da5Wo)
Well, there's you, and AtC, and the missus........ that's, uh......

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 10:51 AM (BoE3Z)

107 "Romney is too nice a guy to be the face of collapse."

no, you're right, and he's hardly a bigtime banker. what's he worth -- some paltry >.> quarter-to-half million or so?

but that he is a banker working in the industry of Buying And Selling Folks' Livelihoods For Profit -- at least as understood by the wilfully ignorant american public -- was enough, i think, to topple a lot of fence-sitters over to the other side.

he's not blankfein. but he's a banker. and right now, america isn't too happy with the qu'ils-mangent-de-la-brioche-ing bankers who happily accepted megabonuses for hiding risks within the deepest recesses of ill-crafted var models...and no matter what, romney is a representative of that class. that stupid fucking frat-boy picture with his bain associates showing stacks of benjamins to a news photog probably did a lot to subconsciously cement the relationship in a lot of voters' minds, even if they never really thought about the pic while pulling the lever.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 10:51 AM (79EF9)

108
Because 75% of women are idiots.
Posted by: MWR


That number seems kinda low.
Posted by: BCochran1981




Well, it was calculated by a woman....*

*riff on an old SNL Norm MacDonald joke

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2012 10:51 AM (kdS6q)

109
A proper and concise ruling, using the definition of the 14th Amendment as written would have stopped all this a long time ago.

Whichever Just-Ass read the "anchor babies" into that plainly worded prohibition of them is the reason for our troubles. The "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" part was totally ignored. If you're present in our country as a guest, you're still under your native country's jurisdiction if you're not a naturalized American Citizen. It's just that simple.

However, that's deemed "RAYCISS!!!11!" in our feminized society these days. And I denounce myself.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 21, 2012 10:52 AM (lOmbq)

110 74, 78: Previously, he's tried robbing a convenience store...with a BB gun. Thankfully, both my brother and I were adopted, so there's no chance that gene gets into my pool.

77: As "gangsta" as he tries to be, he's a complete beta male.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2012 10:52 AM (L8r/r)

111 Well, there's you, and AtC, and the missus........ that's, uh......
Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 10:51 AM (BoE3Z)


Don't forget Jane D'Oh, and HeatherRadish, and Tami...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:53 AM (4df7R)

112 "Farm policies for a long time now have been shaped by agribusiness. Most secretaries of agriculture are drawn from agribusiness. Agribusiness is a rent-seeker, just like all the other rent-seekers."

oh, that's a good point. o.o

i didn't think about it that way. it's the Big Farm-ers sucking those subsidies through mother columbia's increasingly shrivelled tit. x.X

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 10:54 AM (79EF9)

113 Well, it was calculated by a woman....**riff on an old SNL Norm MacDonald joke
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2012 10:51 AM (kdS6q)


HA. HA.



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:54 AM (4df7R)

114 105
97 - many farmers have indeed moved to the city. Their children certainly have.



Rural areas are populated by old people. Schools all over rural America have shuttered/consolidated.
Yeah. Around 2 million family farms - the number in decline. They take the government subsidies to survive - but they "do" take them. From the government. In a sense they are government workers. They are dictated to - as to what they can and cannot grow, plant, set aside.
Sad case, really. And a minute political demographic on the national scale.

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 10:55 AM (BoE3Z)

115 Ooh, an illegal immigration thread. You know what this thread needs? Abortion discussion!
http://www.nydailynews.com/ opinion/talk-abortion-article-1.1205095# ixzz2CrxYNoMn
Remove spaces before "opinion" and after "#".
SE Cupp argues that we need to talk about abortion more, not less. I actually have to agree with her; if we refuse to talk about abortion then we concede the ground to the left, and we'll still be condemned for it. We need to openly discuss the issue, if for no other reason than to develop sound arguments that our politicians can use so they don't get into an Akin-type of situation.

Posted by: Alex at November 21, 2012 10:56 AM (3x3F6)

116 I believe we're getting a bit off the rails here.



We were discussing buying a TV station and having a buncha weather girls in sweaters o.o let's stay on topic folks. I've got money to donate for The Cause.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 21, 2012 10:56 AM (XxBS0)

117 Posted by: polynikes
........
Disagree.. you are thinking about this as someone who knows all this. What AllenG was referring to was low-info voters who need shit explained to them.. in lots more detail.. in very plain English. Romney's 5 point plan was fine as a summary.. but to those other voters it sounded like BS.

And I strongly disagree on the push-back on the war on women stuff. there was none to speak of. (Unless you are counting Ann Romney's "I love you women!!!!" pander)

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2012 10:57 AM (f9c2L)

118 undereducated xtian farmers

Support the claim that farmers are undereducated.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 10:57 AM (rZr77)

119 OT, but RE the sidebar article about the EPA's secret email addresses.

"Lisa Jackson is 'Richard Windsor.'"

Could she PICK a more Euro-normative, WASPy male name? Clearly racist!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:57 AM (4df7R)

120 Again this is the bullshit RINOS want to use to tell us that we have nothing to fear if we amnesty millions of Mexicans.

It's about blocs

Democrats will get 90% of the black vote
Democrats will get 70% of the hispanic vote
Democrats will get 60+% of the non-white rest.

A GOP candidate will need up wards of 70+% of the white vote to win.

Tell me what happens if the GOP starts to make explicit appeals to the white voting bloc bozos?

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 21, 2012 10:58 AM (RrD4h)

121 111
Well, there's you, and AtC, and the missus........ that's, uh......

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 10:51 AM (BoE3Z)



Don't forget Jane D'Oh, and HeatherRadish, and Tami...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 10:53 AM (4df7R)
Up to six- wheeeee - it's trending up! You should run for something, Hobbit!

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 10:58 AM (BoE3Z)

122
67. According to our betters in the MSM, the Republican National Convention shouldn't have even been held becauseHurricane Issac was bearing down on New Orleans. How dare the Romneys party while black people were drowning!

I haven't read all of the comments (Sorry, Andrew.), but I think that amnesty gets bandied about by the Republicans not just to try and win the Hispanic vote, but to also tryto shedthemselves of the 'mean white guy' stereotype. In either case, it won't work.

I don't know what should be done about the illegal immigrants who are already here. But I do know that they shouldn't be given citizenship, and that the borders can't continue to be more open than Lena Dunham's vag.

Posted by: Lurker needs a new nickname at November 21, 2012 10:59 AM (tl7W6)

123

Posted by: Alex at November 21, 2012 10:56 AM (3x3F6)


Excellent article, and she is one hundred percent correct. There is no reason to concede this, or any other point to the Left. Refusal to engage is basically acceptance of defeat, and once you back off one thing, you'll back off on another...

"Give an inch, take a mile" comes to mind.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 21, 2012 10:59 AM (XxBS0)

124 If Luis Gutierrez is telling the R's to adopt certain strategies to strengthen their position with laateenos, guess what: He doesn't think that strategy is going to help R's.

Posted by: ejo at November 21, 2012 10:59 AM (GXvSO)

125 OT - Just found out my dumb shit nephew got arrested again. This time he stole the guns and computer from a Sheriff's cruiser. This is what happens when you smoke pot while pregnant and your child-rearing philosophy is "I'm not their mother, I'm their friend." I can tell this is going to be an uncomfortable Thanksgiving around the family table.

I have a cousin who was living with our grandparents when he was caught breaking into houses around town. He went to jail for three years, and was finally released last year. He lasted two weeks before he violated parole and was sent back to jail.
My father didn't even find out until a month and a half later at Christmas, when Mark wasn't there and they told my dad, "Oh yeah, he's back in jail."
The best part is Mark has a child with a drug addled idiot. Poor kid has no chance.

Posted by: Alex at November 21, 2012 11:00 AM (3x3F6)

126 There's also Mandy P, and mrfp (mrps? hell, I can never remember!), and willow...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:00 AM (4df7R)

127 The best evidence is look at the very next election after Reagan granted a blanket amnesty in 1986. The GOP LOST voters in the 1988 election!

The media pushes this every election cycle because they know another amnesty will be the death of the GOP. And this isn't something you can "tweak" later, once you open that door, there's no going back.

If Romney had run on a Bush/McCain amnesty he would have likely lost the race by an even larger margin as disaffected, working class whites would probably have sat it out.

I still contend that what costs the GOP elections is the gender gap, you close that and it's game over for Democrats.

Posted by: McAdams at November 21, 2012 11:00 AM (fGLHm)

128
Strange that insinuation can be so much more powerful than truth, but it is what it is.

Sublety and the pervasive nature of the message is what makes it effective. You can't turn on a sitcom these days without being bombarded with it: America is evil, as are all the Founding Fathers, white males, Dads...

It's a national illness, placed there by our enemies years ago. In what other country do you find the attitude that there's something inherently wrong in it's society, that pits it against itself?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 21, 2012 11:01 AM (lOmbq)

129 126
There's also Mandy P, and mrfp (mrps? hell, I can never remember!), and willow...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:00 AM (4df7R)
Wait a sec', gotta take my socks off........

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 11:02 AM (BoE3Z)

130
There's also Mandy P, and mrfp (mrps? hell, I can never remember!), and willow...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:00 AM (4df7R)


mpfs

Although she doesn't post here much anymore after....well...
THAT was a nasty ONT, and I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:02 AM (da5Wo)

131 "Support the claim that farmers are undereducated."

uh, besides the fact that it's one of those Fairly Straightforward Things That Everybody Pretty Much Knows Is True >.> i absolutely was not making any claim that farmers are undereducated.

i was just saying that the farmers who do happen to be both undereducated and xtian seem like they ought to be a slam-dunk (r) demographic.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 11:02 AM (79EF9)

132 @127

The Co-Bloggers really don't even read their own blog because I have been posting these fucking numbers and statistics for almost two fucking weeks.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 21, 2012 11:03 AM (RrD4h)

133 This actually is a relatively cogent main blog post, especially by Internet standards, but even a cursory glance will uncover that it somehow missed the giant screaming flashing neon elephant in the room: Florida. Without Florida a Republican has no chance in hell at winning the presidency, regardless what happens in Ohio, Iowa, etc. And if the GOP can't hover around 35% of the Hispanic vote in Florida then it can't win Florida, ergo no presidency.

There are urgent and obvious business and economic reasons for some form of amnesty, albeit not obvious to various corners of the chattering classes, but that's another topic for another time and place. Once you start talking in terms of "humanitarian" reasons you've already ceded ground to the loopy left.

Toning down the rhetoric would be a start, but at this point it's too little, too late. There's a price to be paid for having xenophobic wingnuts with loud microphones dictating the tenor and the content of a political party's discourse.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at November 21, 2012 11:03 AM (r2PLg)

134 The best part is Mark has a child with a drug addled idiot. Poor kid has no chance.

I have a cousin like that. He's a sociopath, relentlessly stupid and beyond help, always in trouble with the law. You can't try and help people like that because they fuck you over every single time. No good deed will go unpunished with them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 11:04 AM (rZr77)

135 The Co-Bloggers really don't even read their own blog




You must be new.....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:04 AM (da5Wo)

136
Mr Pink @ 57, important point. Lawlessness is the point. There's kind of a reason that rule of law is, you know, important. Well, actually, central, and the starting point for any discussion of any topic. Otherwise, you instantly descend into (sorry) an idiotic idea that there may be a "humanitarian" reason to, you know, endorse and reward a massive violation of basic laws. ("Humanitarian" exceptions are only a sane concept when applied to individuals or very small groups in truly extreme circumstances - e.g. Ethiopian or Iranian student visa-holders state-side when Selassie and the Shah, respsectively, lost out to new management back home).

Rule of law. One of the true bases for our civilization, our prosperity. Something Americans have suffered and died for to introduce into regions where its lack was not just a crippling burden to the locals, but part of the threat to our interests. And a thing not seriously understood by 1% of the country, or .05% of the "elites".

Posted by: non-purist at November 21, 2012 11:04 AM (UViC2)

137 128

In what other country do you find the attitude that
there's something inherently wrong in it's society, that pits it against
itself?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 21, 2012 11:01 AM (lOmbq)
I think it's endemic in Scandi-land ---- a model no sane person would choose to follow.

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 11:05 AM (BoE3Z)

138 Ah, criminal relatives. Sounds a lot like my niece. Drug addict who's prohibited from living with her young daughter, who spent most of last year squatting in an abandoned home in Miami with her meth head boyfriend. She got pregnant again last year and my half-sister let her move in with them, even though this was in direct violation of the court order to keep her away from my great-niece. Had the baby -- a boy -- and after that I have no idea. I know at one point she was going to jail for either selling or stealing oxycontin, and for crossing state lines when she was on parole.

I like to joke that my immediate family are the white sheep of the family tree.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:05 AM (4df7R)

139 Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 21, 2012 10:28 AM (3PHCO)


FWIW, the 10% number came from a poll of GOPers, not just evangelicals, indeed, they turned out well.

Posted by: eureka! at November 21, 2012 11:05 AM (UL+ny)

140 Back to defending family farmers, another thing that absolutely devastates them is the regulation by their county land commissioners. Regarding where they can plant, and their water use (or non-use as in California) and the drainage of their land.

Agribusiness can absorb those costs, and have the lawyers on hand to write the regs and push them through.

Now we can start talking about how Americans don't want to pick the harvest and that's why we need illegals. (*ducks*)

Posted by: Boots at November 21, 2012 11:07 AM (neKzn)

141 Hipster is surprised that disrespecting tome of the unknown soldier sparked outrage. Bitch should get fired and exiled

Also, can we watch anything on a Roku channel without stupid hipsterisms? There are shows with potential about videogames, and hobbies, movies, etc.. but everyone is a hipster. Its un-freaking-watchable. This stuff started in the late 90's, but never stopped. Awkward pauses, cool references to random stuff, and other super awesomeness. Don't get it. It was funny for 2 months, but near 20 years later here we are

Can you picture these people doing anything constructive? nope. They're already in our gov't. Rice and Obama think its ironic to get back at whitey for making the US look really dumb.. That MUST be it

Posted by: At the end of my rope at November 21, 2012 11:07 AM (YAGzS)

142 130


There's also Mandy P, and mrfp (mrps? hell, I can never remember!), and willow...



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:00 AM (4df7R)

mpfs

Although she doesn't post here much anymore after....well...
THAT was a nasty ONT, and I'll leave it at that.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:02 AM (da5Wo)
Unpleasantness on the ONT????? Really..haven't been there for years, since Comrade Bosses kicked me upstairs. Is it still Thunderdome?

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 11:07 AM (BoE3Z)

143
The GOP is a hopeless pile of junk.

The best thing to do with a hopeless pile of junk is get rid of it.

Start a new party.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2012 11:07 AM (bWwMZ)

144 I still contend that what costs the GOP elections is the gender gap, you close that and it's game over for Democrats.
Posted by: McAdams at November 21, 2012 11:00 AM (fGLHm)


Which I'm probably not going to be much help with, since 99% of women are idiots and don't like to be told so, because they're also preening, narcissistic porcelain dolls.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:08 AM (4df7R)

145
Random thoughts/hunches/questions:

(A) Isn't this possibly more of a class issue than a race issue -- that is as Hispanics are more likely to be lower income, they are more likely to be Democratic voters; as Hispanics become wealther and more integrated into US society, they will likely be more Republican. The effect (and probably the design) of Democratic policies is create more voters dependent on government, and therefore the party of government. Everywhere we can (when we can) we have to push policies that create less reliance on the governmental leviathan.

(B) Between African Americans and Hispanics, there is a sizable block of the U.S. voting population that is overwhelmingly voting Democractic. We can't just keep writing off various voting groups as unreachable. Given current income disparity levels between Hispanic/Blacks vs. Whites, I think it unlikely that Republicans will capture a majority of those ethnic groups. But if we captured 25% of the AfAm vote, and 35% to 40% of the Hispanic vote (while retaining a majority of White voters and a large number of Asian voters), we would be pretty tough to beat. I know citing numbers does not make it happen, but we need to figure out how to market ourselves (without compromising substance) to capture a larger percentage of those voters.

(C) "Hispanic" is a misleading label. Cuban voters in Florida and Mexican voters in the Southwest don't have a lot in common (other than Spanish and even their respective ways of speaking Spanish is different). I don't know enough about some of the other growing ethnic groups from Central American to know where they fall, but I wonder sometimes if "Hispanic" is a made up lazy category.

(D)Josh Trevino seems to come out different on this issue than Drew. I think Trevino is pretty thoughtful, though I am not quite persuaded by some of his arguments about how the party should address hispanic reach out.

Posted by: nc at November 21, 2012 11:08 AM (Cxl7g)

146 "Excellent article, and she is one hundred percent correct. There is no reason to concede this, or any other point to the Left."

i'm really scared about the abortion issue...seems like that was a mayjah piece of evidence for the "centre-right nation".

what's up with that rassmussen poll showing a majority of americans identify as pro-choice all of a sudden? whence the shift!?

i think we have to discuss abortion. i think we have to discuss the rectitude of modern science. and i think we have to pretty much purge crazies like akin and georgia state rep broun from the party.

i honestly didn't have that much of a problem with what mourdock said, and absent the guilt by association with akin, i'm not sure it would have gone over so poorly.

but we need to have these conversations so that our candidates know how to charismatically interpolate their personally-held social views with their prepared and practised answers to the totally predictable "gotcha"questions from the media.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 11:08 AM (79EF9)

147
I think it's endemic in Scandi-land ---- a model no sane person would choose to follow.

To me, it's a type of national schizophrenia (at first glance) until you realize it was done to us on purpose. We couldn't be defeated militarily, so our enemies chose a different approach: to defeat us socially.

It appears to have worked.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 21, 2012 11:09 AM (lOmbq)

148 #114 "Rural areas are populated by old people"

This is remarkably simplistic and much of the demographic representation in the thread is inaccurate. As a resident of one of Iowa's most rural counties (who works in a nearby city as a finance professional), rural populations had waned since the turn of the prior century. Our county is less than a third of the population in 1900. It declined profoundly through the 1980s, but is actually slowly growing again. Politically, we don't vote with the fundamentalist bible thumpers but more along a libertarian streak. In 2000, Bush won 92% the vote, and the registration skews heavily Republican.

Romney did very poorly here. He got so few votes at the primary Caucus and in fact, nobody even stood up to speak on his behalf. We had people supporting Bachmann, Perry, Cain (which I spoke on behalf of), Ron Paul and others. Most of us were shocked when Romney became the candidate due to the assassination of everyone else by both Romney's people and the media.

That turned off about half of the base and they never came back. Most of our moderates I've spoken to since the Nov election said they couldn't vote for Romney because he comes across as an out-of-touch rich man who cannot connect with regular people's difficulties. As maddening as this is when there's no context applied to Obama, they just wouldn't vote for the "daddy's boy" or "slick used car salesman" or "privileged frat boy." And this wasn't Obama's media campaign that accomplished the damage: most of it was self-inflicted by the utterly pathetic campaign strategy Romney's hacks ran. They were all about winning the primary at all costs, trashing anyone on the right and throwing their candidate's likeability into the dumpster in doing so. One after another, when the Bachmann people saw her get destroyed by Romney's thugs, they shut down but decided they would never vote for him. Perry, Cain and others reached the same conclusion.

The last straw was the Republican convention. I spoke with the Iowa delegates and they were exasperated at the fascist actions by the RNC elites, silencing our voices in the rigged votes. People checked out at that time and never came back. One after another Republican I have spoken to said they now believe the party has to die and every corrupt insider has to be thrown out before they can ever support it again. A new party is required if there is to be opposition to the Democrats in 2016. It doesn't matter to them that RNC elites scream that they'll be marginalized as a third party (actually, they don't see the Republican party lasting any longer. It is dead to them). If anything, if anybody wants to challenge the Democrats, they'd better get moving because as long as the corrupt and incompetent Republican party is the only alternative, you'll keep electing Democrats.

Posted by: Multitude at November 21, 2012 11:09 AM (bpONz)

149 144
I still contend that what costs the GOP elections is the gender gap, you close that and it's game over for Democrats.

Posted by: McAdams at November 21, 2012 11:00 AM (fGLHm)



Which I'm probably not going to be much help with, since 99% of
women are idiots and don't like to be told so, because they're also
preening, narcissistic porcelain dolls.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:08 AM (4df7R)
Hold on - 95%/99%, which is it?

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 11:09 AM (BoE3Z)

150 You want to know how to get the illegal alien vote?

Ease up the BAC levels for unlicensed, uninsured DUI. If they're driving an unregistered SUV? Spot'em another 0.01.

Posted by: Fritz at November 21, 2012 11:10 AM (/ZZCn)

151 Yeah Sanity!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:10 AM (QupBk)

152 A Hispanic bashing thread, Color me surprise. The Hispanic vote did cost Romney Florida, Colorado and Nevada.

Keep dreaming that White Trash will vote Republican. They may hate Hispanics, but they loves Welfare even more!

Bush did get 44% and you can deny it all you want.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:10 AM (TVbdM)

153 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:05 AM (4df7R)



I got one. My mom has a half brother who has 3 kids. The middle one, son, is the ultimate piece of shit. Dropped out of high school at 16. Had two little girls out of wedlock (up to 6 kids now). Prettiest, cutest kids you've ever seen. The older daughter gets diagnosed with a seriously nasty form of cancer right as she turns 3. Spends time in and out of hospitals, multiple remissions and recurrences. Fortunately, she was full healthy and was able to be the flower girl when my wife and I got married. The dad, my cousin, got into drugs. Taking and dealing. Got so bad that the DEA set up a sting targetting him. Busted him for dealing crack. Off to jail he goes. Daughter gets very sick, end is near. He's about 6 months from being released but it's obvious the daughter isn't going to make it that long. He petitions the court to be released early. Court grants it. He never went to see her before she passed away.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:10 AM (da5Wo)

154 Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at November 21, 2012 11:03 AM (r2PLg)

Nonsense.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2012 11:10 AM (bWwMZ)

155 Hold on - 95%/99%, which is it?
Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 11:09 AM (BoE3Z)


99%. My spirit of generosity is gone. Just pray it doesn't go any further.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:11 AM (4df7R)

156 Levin and almost all of the big name radio hosts are pointing out that after Reagan granted the first amnesty back in 86 Hispanic turnout for republicans went down in the following elections. If republicans want to go the way of the whigs go ahead and try the liberal lite route but don't cry when sitting at the small table with the libertarians.

Posted by: Nathan Fauntroy at November 21, 2012 11:11 AM (Kflw4)

157 I sick of this.

WHERE IS THE PROMISED GUN THREAD?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 21, 2012 11:11 AM (wR+pz)

158 uh, besides the fact that it's one of those Fairly Straightforward Things That Everybody Pretty Much Knows Is True

Then you'll have no problem showing that.

You really have no idea what kind of knowledge or skills are required to run a farm, do you? Your urban bias is quite extreme.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 11:12 AM (rZr77)

159
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:10 AM (da5Wo)


That sick bastard. Pray I never meet him, because if I do and I know who he is, I will beat the ever-loving crap out of him.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:12 AM (4df7R)

160 Which I'm probably not going to be much help with,
since 99% of women are idiots and don't like to be told so, because
they're also preening, narcissistic porcelain dolls.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:08 AM (4df7R)


99%? Now we're talking real numbers.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:12 AM (da5Wo)

161 We have an ongoing joke at my old home town in GA when my brothers and I are driving through the country. We pass these 400 and 500 thousand dollar mansions and remark "there's another farmer who just isn't making it".


The small farmer virtually doesn't exist anymore. Nut there is hope. That agriculture bill that is still stuck in the House is still 85% food stamps.



So maybe the subsidies for all these big farmers will go away and it will be direct payments to the "gimme free shit" people who continue to vote Obama commies into office.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:13 AM (YdQQY)

162 "Long term the GOP needs to figure out a way to..."counter the bias of the democratic pocket press, prevent folks who are the product of inbreeding from running on the R ticket, organize a consistent, comprehensive, nation-wide message, find leaders in the house and senate who have some structure and brain power, dump the present speaker, and counter the democratic ability to capitalize on the female hormone factor. Or just let the fucking place burn, until the folks want out.

Posted by: R. Aurum Tar at November 21, 2012 11:13 AM (q9WTS)

163 Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:10 AM (TVbdM)

Ignorant scrunt. This is an illegal immigration bashing thread. You got a problem with criticizing illegal immigration? You support illegal immigration?

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 11:13 AM (m2CN7)

164 Drew,
You really don't know what you are talking about here. Care to address losing Florida, Nevada and Colorado?

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:13 AM (TVbdM)

165 WHERE IS THE PROMISED GUN THREAD?


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 21, 2012 11:11 AM (wR+pz)

Ace hasn't got up yet and I wondered about an ace gun thread. He is from NYC and probably doesn't know much about guns.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:14 AM (YdQQY)

166 "I think it's endemic in Scandi-land ---- a model no sane person would choose to follow."

eh, the scandinavian model works very well in scandinavia...or at least it did for the longest time.

not to trend too ethnic, but those nordic folks respect the system and apparently can't imagine taking advantage of it. the safety net there is actually that -- an emergency system for temporary government help -- or, again, was until the recent massive influx of immigrants.

i read an article not too long ago from norway or sweden about how the immigrants are coming in and taking advantage of all of the social programs in ways that the scandinavians never did, overloading the system and stressing the national budgets.

social programs and the like work when they are used as prescribed. when you have a massive underclass of citizens who knowledgeably treat social programs as "reparations" for the percieved ills of the past and present, essentially transforming them from a system of emergency relief to a system of Permanent Free Candy, that's when the system breaks down.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 11:14 AM (79EF9)

167 Posted by: Multitude

So Iowa is a lost cause. Then we should end the corn pander since it's not helping us politically and it objectively harms the country. It's a nobrainer, which means the Republicans won't do it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:14 AM (QupBk)

168 xenophobic wingnuts

Oh look, it's one of our supposed betters here to lecture us about how we ought to think and behave.

Yes yes, our opposition to amnesty is all just xenophobic wingnuttery. It can't possibly be based on, say, respect for the law...

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2012 11:14 AM (d/5qf)

169 That sick bastard. Pray I never meet him, because if I do and I know who he is, I will beat the ever-loving crap out of him.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:12 AM (4df7R)


Here's how much a piece of shit he is. The mother of the two girls married another guy, who, by all accounts was a good guy. At the funeral, my cousin was never once mentioned. The other guy was referred to as the father by the minister.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:15 AM (da5Wo)

170 Although she doesn't post here much anymore after....well...
THAT was a nasty ONT, and I'll leave it at that.


"What did you do Ray!?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:15 AM (8y9MW)

171 @ 163 polynikes

You are not fooling me Nativists cum. You use the term illegal to bash Hispanics. This thread proves the bigotry of the Republican party. I thought there was hope for the GOP, but now realize it's a lost cause. It's a party of racist scum. Lincoln would not recognize this Party.

Thanks to your bigotry, we will have a Marxist government for as far as the eye can see. The Democratic Party send you a thank note.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:16 AM (TVbdM)

172 "You really have no idea what kind of knowledge or skills are required to run a farm, do you? Your urban bias is quite extreme."

alas, were my urban bias so extreme as to rival your lack of reading comprehension. ~.~

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 11:16 AM (79EF9)

173 Romney was a pathetic candidate. He wouldn't call Barry a Socialist and said he was a nice guy. The same nice guy accused Mitt The $hit of killing people. Any ads on how Barry wants a carbon tax, millions on food stamps, welfare state, etc? Events are the only thing that will save conservatism in this country. Hopefully the Mayan's are right.

Posted by: alans4 at November 21, 2012 11:16 AM (V2OI+)

174 i read an article not too long ago from norway or sweden about how the immigrants are coming in and taking advantage of all of the social programs in ways that the scandinavians never did, overloading the system and stressing the national budgets.

Hence the problem of allowing an influx of immigrants into your country without requiring them to normalize to YOUR cultural and societal expectations, and when you're scared to death of being arrested for even mentioning it. The model doesn't work for the Scandis anymore than it does for us or anyone else.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:16 AM (4df7R)

175
Tsar, which xenophobic wingnuts, which megaphones? I am aware of clueless, nasty, racist moonbats in the media, elected positions, and academia - they predominate, obviously - but how have I missed all the xenophobes who don't care about lawlessness, crime, closing emergency rooms, ruined schools, and the like, especially when they've got those megaphones?

Posted by: non-purist at November 21, 2012 11:17 AM (UViC2)

176 Ace hasn't got up yet and I wondered about an ace gun thread. He is from NYC and probably doesn't know much about guns.


Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:14 AM (YdQQY)


I started bugging Ace a couple days after the election about a gun thread. That it would be cathartic for the Horde. He agreed but was concerned about the trolls SERIOUSLY jacking that kind of thread and said he wanted to delay it. I brought it up again yesterday and he's down with it. I have a feeling it's going to be more of an Open Thread with a gun theme.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:17 AM (da5Wo)

177
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:16 AM (TVbdM)


LMAO!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:17 AM (4df7R)

178 Ace really does need to give some of us like me troll busting authority so we can erase obscene troll postings.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:18 AM (YdQQY)

179 @ 174 MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit

To compare Hispanics to Muslims is intellectually dishonest and bigoted. Read who was the historical allies of Islam. Hint, it's not Spanish speaking people. As a Serbian-American I have more respect for Latins than I do White trash.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:18 AM (TVbdM)

180 I have a cousin like that. He's a sociopath, relentlessly stupid and beyond help, always in trouble with the law. You can't try and help people like that because they fuck you over every single time. No good deed will go unpunished with them.

When he was arrested the news media was there, so you got to see my grandmother in her bathrobe and my grandfather in his sweats, half blind and deaf, on the evening news telling the police, "You've got the wrong guy. He's a good kid." While the cops are pulling out stereos and jewelry and drugs from his room.
To say my dad was furious is an understatement.

Posted by: Alex at November 21, 2012 11:18 AM (3x3F6)

181 Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:16 AM (TVbdM)


Don't let the door hit you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (8y9MW)

182 According to Israeli News, Israel will declare victory and cease fire, hoping hamas will do the same. This is the same shit they pulled in 2009 and how did that work out? What is the sign of complete and utter stupidity: doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different outcome? THIS is why I do not and never have liked Netanyahu.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (79ueO)

183 Here's how much a piece of shit he is. The mother of the two girls married another guy, who, by all accounts was a good guy. At the funeral, my cousin was never once mentioned. The other guy was referred to as the father by the minister.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:15 AM (da5Wo)


Good for her, good for the new husband, and doubly good for the minister!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (4df7R)

184 Hostess lives!

Iwish I could be as open minded,tolerant and well spoken as you so clearly are.

Posted by: nc at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (Cxl7g)

185 Now I have been banned here before, but never for non-conjugation of verbs.

Posted by: Clemenza at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (Q8Pu5)

186 I drive through the midwest a couple times a year.......Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota.

Early this year I was struck by the strong support for Ron Paul. Signs, etc.

Yeah, make fun of Luap Nor, but his independence struck a chord with people in rural america.

Taking over the republican party and forcing it to become the party of libertarians, and tea party fiscal responsibility, and putting a face on it that isn't NE liberals/progressives, would help attract the voters who stayed home.

Starting a new party from scratch is a death wish. Send the rinos to the whig table.



Posted by: Boots at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (neKzn)

187 @ 178 Vic
You can't take sometime with different world view, Nativists like you are intellectual cowards.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (TVbdM)

188 "What did you do Ray!?"


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:15 AM (8y9MW)


LMAO

Yeah, that ONT was seriously fucked up. I was uncomfortable just reading it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (da5Wo)

189 There's a price to be paid for having xenophobic wingnuts with loud
microphones dictating the tenor and the content of a political party's
discourse.


As opposed to leftist/commie wingnuts with loud microphones and paper mache heads dictating the content of a political party's discourse?

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 11:20 AM (rZr77)

190 From the sidebar
<<Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts Lisa Jackson is "Richard Windsor"? Or "Dick" for short, I guess.>>

Or since it's last name first in email headers "Whiskey Dick"

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 21, 2012 11:20 AM (tf9Ne)

191 It is simple. The dummycrat party has turned enough grievance groups into clients of Uncle Sugar that the GOP now needs to win 75% of the white vote to get narrow wins..... and we all know how it would look if the GOP actively courted the "white" vote. The GOP cannot compete with the dummycrats handing out gubmint cheese. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 21, 2012 11:20 AM (jucos)

192 I enjoy when the trolls get all worked up. The image of them pounding the keyboard in their impotent fury gives me the boner.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:21 AM (QupBk)

193 To the extent that campaigns are now no longer about issues, but more about image and movements and "feelings", then I agree that the next Republican candidate should speak in more compassionate terms about the plight of illegals in our borders. If this is what Drew means by "toning down the rhetoric" then I support that. That doesn't mean, though, that we all should support amnesty. I think that if the next candidate supports (1) immigration reform of the LEGAL immigration system (why the fuck is it so difficult to have legal immigration here?) along with (2) a GROWING economy so that those legal immigrants who come here can find solid, decent work, and that there is plenty of work to go around so nobody feels like their job is threatened by immigrants. But that is a nuanced argument that doesn't directly pander to the La Raza types who claim to speak with authority on all illegals everywhere, so of course it probably won't happen.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2012 11:21 AM (d/5qf)

194 @ 182 Nevergiveup

Israel; has forgotten how win victories. This will only encourage more Islamic aggression towards that nation. Just wait until the Muslim Brotherhood takes over more countries in that region. I wish Israel well, but her people need to wake up.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:21 AM (TVbdM)

195 Relax, people. I'm doing the gun thread.

Posted by: Andy at November 21, 2012 11:21 AM (OZPoa)

196 alas, were my urban bias so extreme as to rival your lack of reading comprehension.


Your writing style is obtuse and easily misunderstood.


Mind your manners.

Posted by: fluffy at November 21, 2012 11:21 AM (z9HTb)

197 Why don't we pressure the GOP into doing away with visas and green cards entirely? Total open borders. Make them explain why we need those things, and if not, hasten the inevitable sacking.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 21, 2012 11:22 AM (xXhWA)

198 Ah so Andy is going to do the gun thread!

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:22 AM (YdQQY)

199 Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:16 AM (TVbdM)
Yep no fooling a fool. We bash Hispanics unless of course they are Cuban, which in that case, you don't count them as Hispanic. Cumdumpster.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 11:22 AM (m2CN7)

200 The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit and the Democrat Machine mows it down.



Posted by: eman at November 21, 2012 11:22 AM (bWwMZ)

201 Relax, people. I'm doing the gun thread.

Soon? I've got to leave for the land the internet forgot in a little bit.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:22 AM (QupBk)

202 Israel; has forgotten how win victories. This will only encourage more Islamic aggression towards that nation. Just wait until the Muslim Brotherhood takes over more countries in that region. I wish Israel well, but her people need to wake up.
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:21 AM (TVbdM)

Not to mention the cost to Israel's economy to mobilize all those reservists and transport all that armor and then nothing.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2012 11:23 AM (79ueO)

203 @ 186 Boots

I am done with the Republican party. It's a party of nativists and bigots. The Dixiecrat KKK has taken over and this is no longer the Party of Lincoln, Coolidge, Eisenhower and Reagan. Jefferson Davis and Bedford Forrest would feel right at home.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:23 AM (TVbdM)

204 All of this "Bush got 44% of Hispanic vote" proves absolutely nothing.

Bush NEVER ran on comprehensive immigration! That came AFTER the 2004 election.

But McCain DID run on on it, and look where it got him.

Believe me, if Bush had made that a central part of his 2004 campaign, the base would have sat out the election.


Posted by: McAdams at November 21, 2012 11:24 AM (fGLHm)

205 To compare Hispanics to Muslims is intellectually dishonest and bigoted. Read who was the historical allies of Islam. Hint, it's not Spanish speaking people. As a Serbian-American I have more respect for Latins than I do White trash.
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:18 AM (TVbdM)


Silly troll. My point was about cultural expectations. Immigrants came to the United States for many years because they wanted to become AMERICANS. A lot of them still do. But these days we aren't allowed to expect that from immigrants who choose to come here, especially not illegals. It's RACIST and BIGOTED. We're supposed to be a big "salad" of cultures mixing together without blending together, instead of that horrible, spiteful "melting pot" metaphor that was in use for decades. So what do we get? Cultural silos that are considered inviolate. It's ridiculous.

The same goes for Europe -- all of Europe, not just Scandinavia -- and they know it. They just refuse to do anything about it. When you can't eat sausage and wine in France because you'll offend a Muslim, you know something went wrong with your immigration policy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:24 AM (4df7R)

206 Good for her, good for the new husband, and doubly good for the minister!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:19 AM (4df7R)


My wife and I were talking about her the other day. We've got pics of her up in our house. My 5 yr old, who got her middle name from her, has a painting she did while in the hospital hanging in her room.
She would've been 16 last month. My fav story. She was very ill, but parents made the decision that on days she was well enough, she should go to school. That she should get to experience that. School was very understanding. The principal took her to each 1st grade room and introduced her to the class. Afterwards the principal tells her "Ok, lets go back to your class." "Wait, aren't there more classes?" "No sweetie, that's all the first grade classes." "No, I mean other classes. Aren't there more classes with more kids?" "Well, yes." "I want to meet them. I want to meet all the kids." So the principal spent the day taking her to every single classroom and introducing her.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:24 AM (da5Wo)

207 Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:23 AM (TVbdM)

Hi, KT!

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2012 11:24 AM (bWwMZ)

208 199
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:16 AM (TVbdM)

Yep no fooling a fool. We bash Hispanics unless of course they are
Cuban, which in that case, you don't count them as Hispanic.
Cumdumpster.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 11:22 AM (m2CN7)
Yeah, well I just bash Mexicans. Cause I'm not "nuanced" enough to understand the uh, nuances of racial Marxist identity politics. That the troll scum thrive on.

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 11:24 AM (BoE3Z)

209 I am done with the Republican party.

Bye!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:25 AM (4df7R)

210 I am done with the Republican party.

If only you'd be done with us and take your misery with you.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:25 AM (QupBk)

211 "178 VicYou can't take sometime with different world view, Nativists like you are intellectual cowards."
You really have a unique way of trying to persuade people. Are you in sales?

Posted by: nc at November 21, 2012 11:25 AM (Cxl7g)

212 As a Serbian-American I have more respect for Latins than I do White trash.
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:18 AM (TVbdM)

What's your position on illegal latin trash in comparison to legal white trash? Or do you think there is no such thing as illegal latin trash?

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 11:25 AM (m2CN7)

213 202 Nevergiveup

Israel is a small nation and people don't realize the call up of 70,000 reservists would be like calling up 7 million here. If you are going to do a move of that nature, it better be for a decisive victory. I am very concerned for Israel's future. May God be with Israel and the Jewish people.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:25 AM (TVbdM)

214
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:23 AM (TVbdM)

I recommend LGF

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 21, 2012 11:26 AM (xXhWA)

215 Trouser Trout just can't quit us.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:26 AM (QupBk)

216 195 Relax, people. I'm doing the gun thread.

Gun pron is always something to be thankful for.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 21, 2012 11:26 AM (hNXHo)

217 What am I thankful for this Holiday? Not that I have become an Alien in my own country. No, I am thankful that despite what the Politicians and Corporate Raiders and Foreign invaders do, I still rule my own yard.

Posted by: Clemenza at November 21, 2012 11:27 AM (Q8Pu5)

218 Israel is a small nation and people don't realize the call up of 70,000 reservists would be like calling up 7 million here. If you are going to do a move of that nature, it better be for a decisive victory. I am very concerned for Israel's future. May God be with Israel and the Jewish people.
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:25 AM (TVbdM)

Yes most people do not understand that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2012 11:27 AM (79ueO)

219 Until we can get to the point where our candidates and leaders actually have the courage to display real, visceral anger at the racial incitements of the Left, this is going nowhere.



Many folks here have made sound arguments for trying to patiently explain why conservatives are not racist, why they regard everyone equally, and why, when speaking amongst ourselves, we must not be as the Left is, targeting specific groups, but always speaking to all people.



I think the time for that is over. I think this is the time for anger.



"You, and all those like you, Matthews, are a pox on humanity itself, dividing our citizens against one another and fostering the very hatred you claim to be guarding against. I love all people - you see people only as tools to be used, weapons to be wielded against others, you are the problem, you, and Sharpton, and Jackson Jr., and indeed Barack Obama. You are a reprobate, a racist, a divisive, evil-hearted son of a bitch, and you are a plague upon this nation and its people, whom you keep at each others throats to further your own ends."


Off the cuff thing there. A career politician might do it better, but the point is that it is time to get serious, to be passionate, there can be no half measures. All in, with fury and passion, or don't even bother.



That is my opinion.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 21, 2012 11:27 AM (XxBS0)

220 When are we getting our holiday food thread? Prepping today. Baking a carrot cake and making a cranberry salad. Oh and yeast rolls.

Posted by: NCKate at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (Kl8yW)

221 214

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:23 AM (TVbdM)

I recommend LGF

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 21, 2012 11:26 AM (xXhWA)
Yes Mr. Hostess - that's an excellent idea - except your jooo - loving would have to go by the wayside. The Al-Qaeda faction there would not be happy.

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (BoE3Z)

222 Well, yeah, I've been saying that since the election. When you do the math, Obama got 0.11% more of the vote from Hispanics this time around - which was obviously cancelled out by his losing 6 million votes from his 2008 total.

Please, people, don't hyperventilate about the "demographic timebomb."

Included this as part of a rather voluminous assessment of the election - http://tinyurl.com/a6oyadt

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (+inic)

223 @ 212 polynikes

Latin people have class and are fun. I am married to one and as a Southern European feel a cultural affinity towards that community. I prefer them over the white trash anyday. BTW, most Hispanics are legal and going nowhere. Deal with it!

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (TVbdM)

224 Get that gun thread going!!! We are frothing at the mouth conservatives...In their worst nightmares.

Posted by: Clemenza at November 21, 2012 11:29 AM (Q8Pu5)

225 @ 222 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Had Romney gotten 44% of the Hispanic vote like Bush, he would have won Florida, Colorado and Nevada. those are the facts your Nativist bigoted mind and can't grasp.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:29 AM (TVbdM)

226 Apropos of nothing, I downloaded the AoSIgnoreUser plugin for Firefox and I can't see where it does anything. Have any of you morons gotten this to work?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:30 AM (QupBk)

227 Working on it now. I was going to do it on the weekend, but Ace raised expectations.

Posted by: Andy at November 21, 2012 11:30 AM (OZPoa)

228 Whistling past the graveyard...
Ignoring the Hispanic vote is foolish, and is another step towards irrelevency for the GOP.
Like it or not, the legal Hispanic vote is growing. And it is logistically impossible to deport the millions of illegals here.
Also, how can you look at 31% (or 27%) and say that we're doing OK. That's 69% of the Hispanic vote on the table. Do you not care about the potential?
I'm sick and tired of this short-term game of trying to win by the thinnest of margins. I've never been in favor of amnesty, but if we are going to actually deal with the immigration problem, then what is the point of pissing off so many potential future GOP voter?
There are MANY bigger problems out there that are more worthy of climbing upon a cross over.

Posted by: Connertown at November 21, 2012 11:30 AM (+q3dR)

229 I prefer them over the white trash anyday. BTW, most Hispanics are legal and going nowhere. Deal with it!


Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (TVbdM)
What happened bro'? Some fat-assed dyed blonde with 'tats bump you with her cart at Wal-Mart?

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 11:30 AM (BoE3Z)

230
Fuck the Iowa corn whores.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 21, 2012 11:30 AM (tOkJB)

231 Trouser Trout just can't quit us.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:26 AM (QupBk)
----------------------------------------------------------
Quiet people. Stop talking about brown people until the Twinkie leaves. He will report back to Chunk that we are racisty racists and then Chunk will do a post that literally 10's of people will read. A real inter tubes smack down.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 21, 2012 11:31 AM (jucos)

232 Working on it now.

It's going to have content?? I thought it was going to be an OpenThread kind of thing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:31 AM (QupBk)

233 Give them amnesty, then give them the Hostess bakery jobs.

Posted by: Buffalobob at November 21, 2012 11:32 AM (x+7qA)

234 I am married to one and as a Southern European feel a
cultural affinity towards that community. I prefer them over the white
trash anyday. BTW, most Hispanics are legal and going nowhere. Deal with
it!


Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (TVbdM)

"Southern ... " = RACIST! Bet you can't stand them uppity Slavs, huh?

Posted by: eastvalleyphx just loves him some LIB at November 21, 2012 11:32 AM (GRvW4)

235 Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (TVbdM)

You and your wife take a couple of trips to Juarez/El Paso. They areclassy and fun loving there. The best part. No white trash.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 11:32 AM (m2CN7)

236 @ 218 Nevergiveup

Most Americans do not grasp that in Israel one death affects not just families, but a whole town. It's small nation and they are not rich. They are a modern day Sparta, but that does not make them a superpower. Israelis by nature are not warlike and are like reluctant warriors. I really hate that they did a call up and just do a ceasefire. either fight to win or do not fight at all. Now Hamas and their Muslim Brotherhood buddies in Egypt will look like heroes to the Islamic world.

No good will come out of this.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:32 AM (TVbdM)

237 "Latin people have class and are fun. I am married to one and as a Southern European feel a cultural affinity towards that community. I prefer them over the white trash anyday. BTW, most Hispanics are legal and going nowhere. Deal with it!"

For a guy claiming that the GOP is too tribal, you sure seem obsessed with tribes. And, that is why I am not a Democrat. I think in ideal form the GOP is about universal values. We do not believe that our skin pigmentation or where we come from defines us.

Posted by: nc at November 21, 2012 11:33 AM (Cxl7g)

238 BTW, most Hispanics are legal and going nowhere. Deal with it!
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (TVbdM)


And legal Hispanics are no problem. You don't seem to grasp that we're talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS here.Get it through your thick skull.

And yes, that means immigrants from anywhere, not just South and Central America. But it's just so gosh darn EASY for latinos to get here because we're physically attached to them, and because our government has no interest in enforcing it's own immigration laws. Chinese or Russian or African illegals, etc, have to get here by boat or plane. They have to stow away, or somehow get a visa, or pay a crapload of money to be smuggled into the country.

Or they can do the smart thing, go to mexico, and just walk across the g-ddamn border.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:33 AM (4df7R)

239 So again, we have another good explanation about what DIDNT cause the loss.

But I'm still waiting to hear what DID.

Posted by: bigpale at November 21, 2012 11:33 AM (ZYugf)

240 It's going to have content?? I thought it was going to be an OpenThread kind of thing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:31 AM (QupBk)


I could do it in a few minutes.


Open Gun Thread
For the Rons: *video of hot chick firing big gun*
For the Ettes: *video of hot guy with guns*
For the Horde: *video of the most badass firearm I could find*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:33 AM (da5Wo)

241
It's going to have content?? I thought it was going to be an OpenThread kind of thing.

Hmm, I'da thought you could just say, "Guns. Go!" and we'd take it from there.

What is this "work" you keep referring to?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 21, 2012 11:34 AM (lOmbq)

242 @223 "most Hispanics are Legal and going nowhere"

You got the going nowhere part right>
I live in SoCal, therefore I know.

Posted by: Clemenza at November 21, 2012 11:35 AM (Q8Pu5)

243

Art Ginsberg, Mr. Food, dead at 81 from gluttony and cancer, but primarily cancer.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 21, 2012 11:35 AM (lDWQr)

244 Can we get a moron to kick the ewok out of his bunk. He promises a gun thread, and daylight is burning.

Posted by: sTevo at November 21, 2012 11:35 AM (OgghY)

245 Nativist scum! Who will help me take back the Republican party!>?!?!11!!11!

Posted by: Hector Troof Tellerz Inc. at November 21, 2012 11:35 AM (/YJYi)

246 @228 Connertown

Don't bother with these people. The Republican party is a lost cause and is just a Dixiecrat party now. It's time for Old School Republicans to leave and form a new Party that believes all Americans have aright to an opportunity to succeed regardless of color or ethnicity.

The GOP is dead.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:36 AM (p+4lN)

247 Latin people have class and are fun. I am married to one and as a
Southern European feel a cultural affinity towards that community. I
prefer them over the white trash anyday.



Pro Tip 1: Using the word 'class' or 'classy' generally indicates you don't have a lot of it yourself.


Pro Tip 2: Dismissing people as 'white trash' indicates that you keep all of your class on the same shelf as your porcelain collectibles.

Posted by: Pauk Fussell at November 21, 2012 11:36 AM (z9HTb)

248 >>>he would have won Florida, Colorado and Nevada. those are the facts your Nativist bigoted mind and can't grasp.

And gone on to lose by less. I'm not nativist BTW I'm culturalist.There is a difference.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 21, 2012 11:36 AM (0q2P7)

249 I'll start the gun talk.

I still want a monkey gun. MONKEY GUN!!!

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 11:36 AM (m2CN7)

250 The GOP is dead.

Again, bye!

Why are you still here?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:36 AM (4df7R)

251 I prefer them over the white trash anyday.

So you're a self-hating racist.

Take your vile filth elsewhere, fascist.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 21, 2012 11:36 AM (gznAu)

252 We will be discussing the ballistic value of the 22-250 cartridge and all the game loading variables. A test will follow..

Posted by: Clemenza at November 21, 2012 11:37 AM (Q8Pu5)

253 "Your writing style is obtuse and easily misunderstood."

fair enough, but for two things:

1) purpleavenger is clearly one of the most intelligent regular posters here and has no difficulty understanding my writing style, and

2) i even made a comment clarifying that i was never claiming what he had attributed to me in the first place.

he just seems in this case to want to take offence on behalf of his exurbian compatriots. he's evidence enough that there is intelligence outside these city walls, and anyway you'll just have trust this city slicker: i know that there are plenty of happily uneducated blood-suckers comprising the bulk of urban america. i may have a bias -- i have lots of them -- but it's not an urban bias.

this really just isn't one of those times where the True Meaning has gotten lost in nested em-dashes and lexical onanism!

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 11:37 AM (79EF9)

254 No, the Hispanic vote didn't cost Romney the election. Romney cost Romney the election. Alas.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent (I took down my FB account too) at November 21, 2012 11:37 AM (S3rrR)

255 Think while we're waiting on the gun thread, I'll go oil my bolt.



Then I may lubricate the moving parts on my M-4gery.



Thanks, kids, I'll be here all week.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx just loves him some LIB at November 21, 2012 11:37 AM (GRvW4)

256 alas, were my urban bias so extreme as to rival your lack of reading comprehension

My reading comprehension is solid enough to comprehend that you can't produce a shred of evidence that "undereducated farmers" are not a vanishingly small demographic.

Dood. Its not the 1930's Grapes of Wrath population anymore.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 11:37 AM (rZr77)

257 If it's going to have content, link up some 80%Lower info. I'm considering an undocumented build just because.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:37 AM (QupBk)

258 Also, if you read the NYT article regarding exit polling for Hispanics, they're actually MORE liberal on social issues like abortion with 66% saying it should be legal in nearly all cases and 59% supporting same sex marriage:

http://tinyurl.com/ae4q6zf

So this fantasy that Hispanics are closet Republicans is just that, a fantasy.


Posted by: McAdams at November 21, 2012 11:38 AM (fGLHm)

259 Oh, and this is Hector, right? Wasn't he banned for being a stupid asshole?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 21, 2012 11:38 AM (gznAu)

260 I still want a monkey gun. MONKEY GUN!!!
Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 11:36 AM (m2CN7)


I would use my monkey gun to slay mutant Cobras on an isolated island in the South Pacific.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 11:38 AM (4df7R)

261 @ 242 Clemenza

By demonizing Hispanics as all being illegal, that is why California is a Democratic state.


Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:38 AM (p+4lN)

262 THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for this post. Yes, stop these suicidal fucks who just want to add a shit ton more demorats.

There is a simple way to answer this re immigration:
1) People want to come to America to make a better life for themselves. That is a compliment to our great country and we understand those who want to work to better their lives and families;

2) But when we can't put our own people to work, it does not make sense to have massive immigration. We just don't have the jobs.

3) As far as some sort of status for people who are here, that can be debated and discussed under two conditions:
a) first we must have significant significant permanent border enforcement, walls, whatever, ramp up criminal deportations, etc., etc.
b) no citizenship. individuals must go back to their home country and apply for citizenship and get the fuck in line. we do not reward lawbreakers with automatic citizenship.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 21, 2012 11:38 AM (tVTLU)

263 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monkey-gun.jpg

Monkey Gun coming right up.

Posted by: sTevo at November 21, 2012 11:39 AM (OgghY)

264 "Can we get a moron to kick the ewok out of his bunk. He promises a gun thread, and daylight is burning."

coblogger andy has mentioned that he's working up the guns thread.

honestly, for all his facility with the pen, what does ace know about guns? xD

maybe more than i, but that's like saying "fairer-minded than michael moore".

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 11:40 AM (79EF9)

265 The main thing to know is which end of the weapon the pea comes out of, and then to stay on the other end.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:41 AM (QupBk)

266 Hostess lives, you are a fucknig idiot.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 21, 2012 11:41 AM (tVTLU)

267 But I'm still waiting to hear what DID.
---
99 weeks, cell phones, yes we can, f--- the rich, virtual amnesty, half/half, unions, marriage, contraceptives, payroll taxes, planned birth control, recovery.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2012 11:41 AM (eEfYn)

268 @ 266 Prescient11

You are a Nazi.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:42 AM (p+4lN)

269 and has no difficulty understanding my writing style

Not true. You don't write what you mean (or later claim to have meant when called on something). Your writing requires people to have Karnak the Great like powers to divine your intent.

Your writing is slippery rather than declarative.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 11:42 AM (rZr77)

270 They idea floated around in GOP circles that we must shed the "mean white guy image," is absurd. Has anyone that talks about this ever talked to a liberal? Have you ever noticed the uncontested and vile press coverage of the Tea Party? Liberals become liberals because they are upset with male authority..i.e. Dad was mean, or spanked them, or did not spank them, or worked 80 hour weeks to put their worthless asses through party-school.

This issue is entirely a "spiritual," issue. Those that address the problem is the "culture," have it more correct, such as Breitbart. The problem is since the 60's there has been a huge cultural shift to rebellion and perversion, and not just sexual, but full body tats, piercings, Satanic music, fascination with zombies and vampires. Outright acceptance of witchcraft as a good thing (Harry Potter).

One of the most popular T.V. shows right now is about a serial killer, that is righteous, because he kills serial killers. Or the show Weeds, or Breaking Bad, all wildly popular, not to mention Glee.

No adjustment of message, no tinkering around the edges will fix this. America as we knew it is over, sorry to say, it cannot be fixed, only something new may arise from the ashes, or maybe we go into a dark ages that makes the last one seem like practice, and yes it CAN happen.

Depressing? Yes, but better to be experiencing disillusionment than to live in perpetual false hope and deception. Here is a though experiment, if you can come up with a realistic plan, notion, program to reverse the voting in Calif, then we might have a chance. I grew up there and know that Calif, even if struck by huge earthquakes, bankruptcy etc is not going to change, the people that think the way they do now will have to die out, we are talking two generations minimum to reverse the present thinking. Barring some sort of once in a Bible miracle.

Posted by: Jehu at November 21, 2012 11:42 AM (cSD32)

271 My guess is that ace will be talking guns rights as opposed to hardware and ammo.

Posted by: sTevo at November 21, 2012 11:42 AM (OgghY)

272 @ 248 MikeTheMoose is Shrugging

He would have lost by less which is better than losing by more. After Hispanics, the next group the GOP needs to improve on are young people. But Republicans hate the youth so that vote is almost gone.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:43 AM (p+4lN)

273 BTW, somehow I just got the AoSIgnoreUser thing to work but it's a bit less than I imagined it to be. It replaces their comments with "This post has been eaten by rabid Ewoks. You can unhide this user's posts by clicking below." like an OCD TB3K.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:44 AM (QupBk)

274
>>>By demonizing Hispanics as all being illegal, that is why California is a Democratic state.

Buzzzz. Thanks for playing. California is a Democrat state because we've imported Democrats (Both from within and outside of the US) for decades. Latin populations are by and large culturally Democrat; (There are exceptions, Chile, Honduras to name a couple) and therefore vote Democrat when they immigrate. Plain and simple. No big thoughts needed. If Mexico, for instance, was by and large a true Conservative culture, as Americans understand it, they would be a country to immigrate to, not from.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 21, 2012 11:44 AM (0q2P7)

275 BTW, somehow I just got the AoSIgnoreUser thing to work but it's a bit
less than I imagined it to be. It replaces their comments with "This
post has been eaten by rabid Ewoks. You can unhide this user's posts by
clicking below." like an OCD TB3K.


Wait. There really is one? Where do I get it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:44 AM (8y9MW)

276 déjele quemarse

Posted by: trainer @ Home at November 21, 2012 11:45 AM (1QEkm)

277 @225 - "Had Romney gotten 44% of the Hispanic vote like Bush, he would have won Florida, Colorado and Nevada. those are the facts your Nativist bigoted mind and can't grasp."

Had Romney not been defrauded out of 5% of the white vote like he was, he would have won those states plus a whole lot more.

Best thing we can do right now is tank the economy even more, so that more of the La Raza faction deports itself back to Mexico so it can find work.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 21, 2012 11:46 AM (+inic)

278 Connertown:

I agree wholeheartedly. We must do better outreach, big time!!!

Another thing re demographics. Mexican women are having children today at a rate under the replacement rate. In 1970, they were averaging 7 babies per woman.
In other words, the continuing flood of hispanics that many have wrung their hands about is not going to continue since there aren't really that many more mexicans being born.
The only bonus with zero is that he has made the US such a shitty place to leave that the flow of immigrants was actually NEGATIVE last year.

We need outreach to hispanic communities, common sense "status" reform, very strong border control, and to support Mexico's strong defense of its southern border.

The rest shall take care of itself.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 21, 2012 11:46 AM (tVTLU)

279 some more of the gimme free shit cockroaches are crawling out of the Fiscal Cliff kitchen.

http://is.gd/TW4KR5


Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:46 AM (YdQQY)

280
By demonizing Hispanics as all being illegal, that is why California is a Democratic state.


Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:38 AM (p+4lN)


I see you have the lefty lexicon down pat and use it freely.

California is a Democrat state.

Using the term "Democratic" as a substitute for Democrat is a leftist invention used exclusively by leftists. We know who you are. FOAD.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 21, 2012 11:47 AM (tOkJB)

281 If you Hostess workers had any ding dongs at all, you would go south and reclaim your great country from the Drug Lords and Plantation owners..

Posted by: Clemenza at November 21, 2012 11:47 AM (Q8Pu5)

282 Ace hasn't got up yet and I wondered about an ace gun thread. He is from NYC and probably doesn't know much about guns.


Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:14 AM (YdQQY)

Good point, but all he needs to do is unleash "The Hoard" .
I think there are a lot of morons with a lot of guns and cross bows, etc to get to a 1,000 posts in less than two hours.Think traffic!! Ace, do it for the country, or do it for TRAFFIC!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 21, 2012 11:47 AM (wR+pz)

283 >>>He would have lost by less which is better than losing by more.

A closer second place gets us? That's right the same nothing burger we have now. Facing the same long term trends and problems. Losing Hispanics by less does nothing to reverse or even forestall anything.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 21, 2012 11:48 AM (0q2P7)

284 226 Apropos of nothing, I downloaded the AoSIgnoreUser plugin for Firefox and I can't see where it does anything. Have any of you morons gotten this to work?


It won't let me change any of the settings and does not respond to any keyboard entries...

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at November 21, 2012 11:48 AM (HNn1q)

285 @ 247 Pauk Fussell

I love using the term White trash because it rattles Nativists. You guys like to bash Spanish people and I am just giving you a state of your medicine.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:49 AM (p+4lN)

286 some more of the gimme free shit cockroaches are crawling out of the Fiscal Cliff kitchen.

So some tax cuts are more equal than others.

Who knew?

I hate Democrats.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:49 AM (8y9MW)

287 I have a feeling you guys are arguing with an Average Joe sock.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:49 AM (YdQQY)

288 Install the GreaseMonkey plugin first https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/

Then add the IgnoreUsers script. (which I will have to google around to find)

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:50 AM (QupBk)

289 @ 283 MikeTheMoose is Shrugging

It give the GOP more electoral votes and allows them to compete for other states with more resources. What's wrong to try to win more Hispanics to our side? I already no your answer.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:50 AM (p+4lN)

290 My default position is that amnesty supporters are more concerned with the future of the GOP, as a political party, than the future of the country, as a going concern. I will allow them to combat that accusation, if they wish. I doubt they will bother.

Posted by: R. at November 21, 2012 11:50 AM (4AJ3J)

291 Latin people have class and are fun. I am married to
one and as a Southern European feel a cultural affinity towards that
community. I prefer them over the white trash anyday. BTW, most
Hispanics are legal and going nowhere. Deal with it!


Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:28 AM (TVbdM)
I suppose it all depends on where your prejudices lie, my dear Hostess. Low income whites are trash? I can see you will have a great future with some organization promoting racial and ethnic harmony.
(I assume you are serious here, and not just trolling. If the latter, an excellent bit of shit-stirring. My congratulations. Capisce?)


Posted by: Minnie Rodent (I took down my FB account too) at November 21, 2012 11:50 AM (S3rrR)

292 Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:49 AM (p+4lN)

Backtracking like the intellectual lightweight he is.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 11:50 AM (m2CN7)

293 This can't be repeated enough, so that the Party of Stupid might get it through their thick heads.

If you think amnesty is a good idea, then argue the merits, but if every Republican in the country stood up and declared their support for amnesty, they would convert precisely zero Hispanics from Democrats to Republicans.

I was born and raised in Latin America. I have grown up with Hispanics. To believe they are "natural Republicans" is preposterous. All you have to do is look at the governments Latin Americans elect for themselves. Hugo Chavez won a few weeks ago on essentially the Obama platform: I'll soak those rich bastards and give the spoils to you. It's pretty much the history of Latin America.

The answer is assimilation. Even the exit polls from this election show that the older the Hispanics, the more Republican they get. This is because they are more assimilated. The Democrats realize this and intentionally dissuade it with nonsense like bilingual education and "Press 1 for Espanol."

When my mother became a naturalized citizen in the mid-1980s, the citizenship exam was offered only in English. Today, it is offered in dozens of languages, allowing for American citizens who don't even know English. These people will not (and really cannot) assimilate into a common culture.

Posted by: JoJo at November 21, 2012 11:50 AM (MSrqi)

294 If the GOP were to adopt the donkey platform in 2016 and campaign on it, I think we can have a real donneybrook of an election. GOTV!

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2012 11:51 AM (eEfYn)

295 You are a Nazi.>>

Well Played sir.

Posted by: Mike Godwin at November 21, 2012 11:51 AM (tf9Ne)

296 We're quickly headed for 3rd world status. Think of Brazil - filthy,teeming favellas surrounding gated, secure enclaves where the mostly white elite lives - as the model.

The only way to prevent that would be to immediately end immigration from 3rd world nations, eliminate federal aid for jurisdictions that protect and subsidize illegals, imprison employers of illegals, and deport captured illegals.

Since none of that will happen, I have only one question. Did you enjoy your country while it lasted?

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at November 21, 2012 11:52 AM (SBdwW)

297 @261 - "By demonizing Hispanics as all being illegal, that is why California is a Democratic state. "

Well, no. California is a Democrat state, in part, because we let in so many illegal Hispanics to begin with.

I have family out in Arizona, so I know better than to believe the "legal Hispanics sympathise with illegals" nonsense. The legal Hispanics out there - including some whose families have been there longer than the gringos - suffer the loss of jobs, lower wages, etc. just like whites do, and tend to dislike the illegals tremendously.

This fluff and nonsense about "all Hispanics being alike" tends to be a fantasy concocted by you La Raza types, not by people who are concerned about illegal aliens. We know that not all Hispanics are illegals or are alike. YOU all, on the other hand, try to act like they are.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 21, 2012 11:52 AM (+inic)

298 The IgnoreUser script http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/142617

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:52 AM (QupBk)

299 #167: Yes, please end the corn pander. We assumed CRP payments when we bought our farm (being paid to not farm) and took it out, refusing to renew and take farm welfare. Just about every farmer around us yelled at how stupid we were, even though I argued that we all have a duty to not take assistance we don't absolutely need.

We don't need ObamaPhones, government provided condoms for Sandra Fluke's $14,000-a-year sex binges, subsidized broadband Internet for those who stay at home playing Warcraft, more than 75% of the food stamp racket, and we certainly don't need to give corn welfare either.

Speaking of food stamps, go shopping in a rural county or inner city and you'll see people grouping their groceries into two: a bunch of already made, expensive meals, soda, cookies, etc. (instead of stuff to cook from scratch and save a ton), and a pile of goodies like lotto tickets, beer, movie rentals, and smokes. Notice how they buy the first batch with our money using a food stamp card. Then they fork out cash to buy the fun stuff.

Oh and in Iowa, we have a bunch of people buying grocery carts full of 5 gallon bottled water using food stamps, taking it out to the parking lot to dump it, then returning it for a $7 deposit refund paid in cash. I'd be shocked if even 10% of those receiving some sort of welfare actually need it to survive.

Posted by: Multitude at November 21, 2012 11:53 AM (bpONz)

300 @ 289 You are a Nativists whoch makes you a Lefty. I am a Libertarian which makes me on the Right. Naitivism is the American version of National Socialism. You are Racialist Socialist.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:53 AM (p+4lN)

301 Well even if Andy is doing the gun thread the Ewok needs to roll out of the bed and give us another feel good thread.


Maybe some Tom T.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:53 AM (YdQQY)

302 Looks like they were right. John Wayne was a racist.


"I know all about that. In the late Twenties, when I was a sophomore at USC, I was a socialist myself — but not when I left. The average college kid idealistically wishes everybody could have ice cream and cake for every meal. But as he gets older and gives more thought to his and his fellow man's responsibilities, he finds that it can't work out that way — that some people just won't carry their load ... I believe in welfare — a welfare work program. I don't think a fella should be able to sit on his backside and receive welfare. I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living. I'd like to know why they make excuses for cowards who spit in the faces of the police and then run behind the judicial sob sisters. I can't understand these people who carry placards to save the life of some criminal, yet have no thought for the innocent victim."

- John Wayne


Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2012 11:53 AM (Hx5uv)

303
285 @ 247 Pauk Fussell

I love using the term White trash because it rattles Nativists. You guys like to bash Spanish people and I am just giving you a state of your medicine.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:49 AM (p+4lN)


The poster meant to use the sock "Paul Fussell", an excellent author you are totally ignorant of. Fussell forgot more about class than you'll ever know, you toothless inbred son of a city crack whore sired by her brother the crack dealer.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 21, 2012 11:53 AM (tOkJB)

304 As a concerned Christian caucasian conservative who wants to right the Republican Party, can someone tell me if my hatred of anything white should extend to those like my father who fought and died in such large numbers in WWII. Is it required that we hate those white men. How about those that built this country after the war and gifted us with properity? Should I hate them too.

Posted by: ejo at November 21, 2012 11:54 AM (GXvSO)

305 It won't let me change any of the settings and does not respond to any keyboard entries...

Is the MonkeyFace greyed out? Click it, if so.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 11:54 AM (QupBk)

306 I love using the term White trash because it rattles Nativists. You guys
like to bash Spanish people and I am just giving you a state of your
medicine.

1. Spanish people are from Spain, not Latin America.
2. I know, being bigoted toward white rural folks is the last publicly acceptable form of bigotry and racism. It shows how you really feel about race, that you are still drawing lines of color and so are still deep down a racist.
3. I've got no problem with people of Latin heritage. I've got problems with people of liberal values. It seems that Latin populations by and large are loaded with folks of liberal values.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 21, 2012 11:54 AM (0q2P7)

307 And, if the era of those filthy white men is over, what are we replacing it with?

Posted by: ejo at November 21, 2012 11:54 AM (GXvSO)

308 @ 297 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

It's a Democratic state because bigots like you demonized all Hispanics as illegals. keep it up sparky and your party will go the way of the Whigs. Not all Conservatives hate Hispanics like you do and you will find this out very soon.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:55 AM (p+4lN)

309 Hostess Shrugged

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2012 11:55 AM (Hx5uv)

310 We're quickly headed for 3rd world status. Think of Brazil... {/i]



Woah, woah, woah. Are we gonna get Brazilian-like women? Cause if so....I'm in.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:55 AM (da5Wo)

311 I love using the term White trash because it rattles Nativists. You guys
like to bash Spanish people and I am just giving you a state of your
medicine.



You type almost as well as I do.


Aren't the people here more likely to be your natural allies than people on the left? The sort of persuading one does with a thumb in the eye is not consensus building.

Posted by: Paul Fussell at November 21, 2012 11:56 AM (z9HTb)

312 Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 11:55 AM (da5Wo)

1 internetz, please.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:57 AM (8y9MW)

313 "My reading comprehension is solid enough to comprehend that you can't produce a shred of evidence that "undereducated farmers" are not a vanishingly small demographic."

ok, let me waste my time looking up largely irrelevant census data that don't explicitly link occupational sector to educational attainment and aren't formatted for easy transposition to excel because you won't seem to drop your crusade against what was largely a joke in the first place. -.-

there are statistics on the type of labour used on farms, and being as "migrant workers" comprise EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT of the population of "farm workers", as per the labour dept., i'd say that figure is proof enough that education has absolutely nothing to do with farm work.

peculiar skills? sure. a lifetime of immersion in the climate and culture? certainly. education? hardly.

but anyway. i've taken the day off because my fiancé is flying in to exchange his Sex Points :3 and because furthermore, let's face it: nothing goes on in the ivory tower on the day before thanksgiving, save perhaps the few strangled protests over the tragedy of celebrating such an imperialistic -- and inhumaa~aane -- holiday.

so i have time to waste, and i can do better.

since we're talking about ia, i'll just have to use ia. based on 2009 census statistics, although ia is higher than the national average when it comes to high-school education, it is seventeeth-lowest in the nation when it comes to bachelor-degree attainment, and seventh-lowest (!!) in the nation when it comes to graduate-degree attainment.

is that satisfactory evidence for you that a high level of education is simply unnecessary to be a farmer?

i suppose it depends on one's definition of "undereducated" -- just as it depends on how seriously one is prepared to take a rather crude joke -- as to whether the contention that farmers are undereducated (a contention i never made, i should remind you) is supported by the data, but...

eighty-five percent migrant labour and iowa trainling significantly in educational attainment?

the numbers just don't support a bunch of farmers sitting around contemplating the particulars of whether event horizons really form given the quantum back-reactive corrections to relativitistic models of gravitational collapse.

and that's okay, because economically, overeducated farmers are pretty undesirable! @.@

can i take this hat off and come back to the class, now?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 11:57 AM (79EF9)

314 Yesterday, on more than a few threads, there's still these rumors floating around about AllenG and a blog. Now, come on, we all know that that's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at November 21, 2012 11:58 AM (izA2D)

315
Since none of that will happen, I have only one question. Did you enjoy your country while it lasted?



Yes

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 21, 2012 11:58 AM (R8hU8)

316 @ 306 MikeTheMoose is Shrugging

Nice try loser. Spanish people refers to anyone who speaks Spanish. Spaniards refer to people from Spain. My wife Hispanics and I grew up around them. I know more about them than a bigot like you.

The only reason people of Latin heritage appear to be Liberal is because Republicans attack them and the Democrats are the only ones who try to win their votes. Bush got 44% of them and that's proves your bigoted view is wrong. But keep it up hating Hispanics. It will be the death knew of the Dixicratic version of the Republican party.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:58 AM (p+4lN)

317 Best thing we can do right now is tank the economy even more, so that
more of the La Raza faction deports itself back to Mexico so it can find
work.


I support La Raza and the whole reconquista notion wholeheartedly. If CA is ceded back to Mexico, the Democrats never win another presidential election.

Small price to pay IMO.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 11:58 AM (rZr77)

318 Yesterday, on more than a few threads, there's still these rumors
floating around about AllenG and a blog. Now, come on, we all know that
that's just crazy talk.


I don't know what you're talking about, and clicking my nic absolutely won't take you there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:59 AM (8y9MW)

319 Evil racist cartoons from yesteryear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjze2-_Pp3Yfeature=fvwrel

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 11:59 AM (YdQQY)

320 Latin people have class and are fun. I am married to one and as a
Southern European feel a cultural affinity towards that community. I
prefer them over the white trash anyday. BTW, most Hispanics are legal
and going nowhere. Deal with it!


Your racism-by-proxy victimhood act is old, Hector.

How sad a male (I won't say man, because clearly the title doesn't apply) must one be to feel the need for using his wife as an excuse to create and imaginary phantom to blame their own personal shortcomings on?

We get it- you have a hispanic wife, and your desire to join the Aggrieved Victim Class led you to invent an oppressor of both her and (more importantly) yourself by association.

Don't come whining here when she replaces the pussified male she's currently married to with an authentic man.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 21, 2012 11:59 AM (SY2Kh)

321 He would have lost by less which is better than
losing by more. After Hispanics, the next group the GOP needs to improve
on are young people. But Republicans hate the youth so that vote is
almost gone.


Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:43 AM (p+4lN)
Fortunately, they'll grow out of it. Like when they finally turn 35 and get around to getting a job and raising a family and all that sort of stuff. Except for those planning to be career welfare recipients, of course.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent (I took down my FB account too) at November 21, 2012 11:59 AM (S3rrR)

322
This fluff and nonsense about "all Hispanics being alike" tends to be a fantasy
Posted by: Titus Quinctius




Well, maybe they are now.

Romney managed to lose the last Republican leaning minority Demographic, the Cubans.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2012 11:59 AM (kdS6q)

323 I support La Raza and the whole reconquista notion wholeheartedly. If CA
is ceded back to Mexico, the Democrats never win another presidential
election.


Reconquista wants Texas, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:59 AM (8y9MW)

324 Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 21, 2012 11:54 AM (0q2P7)
__
You're replying to Hector, who claims that there is a monolithic Hispanic culture and that it is European. He also claims that all Hispanics self-identify as white. That's why he uses the term "Spanish" to refer to Spanish speaking populations. Hector doesn't understand that only Spaniards are Spanish. And he never answered my question about whether Puerto Ricans speak Castilian.

Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 11:59 AM (jm/9g)

325 I have not read the comments....has Hector been by to lecture us yet?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 21, 2012 12:00 PM (OWjjx)

326 Thanks all for confirming that the GOP has been hijack by bigoted Dixiecrats. I can't wait until your electoral demise which will allow a New Rightwing Party to emerge.

In the meantime, your bigotry has allowed the Marxists to take over.

I am out.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:00 PM (p+4lN)

327
It's a Democratic state because bigots like you demonized all Hispanics as illegals.

More lefty lingo. You just can't hide yourself, can you?

Libertarian? My ass.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 21, 2012 12:00 PM (tOkJB)

328 >>>What's wrong to try to win more Hispanics to our side? I already no your answer.

Um no you don't.
1. I don't like pandering to any group. I am a man principally of ideology, and philosophy, and believe those should sell first. Not pandering.

2. On the practical side the compromises we would have to make to appeal to substantially more than the current number of people of latin descent who vote Republican are unacceptable compromises to our platform, and ultimately make the platform incomprehensible from the logical standpoint. I see no way to make a broad appeal while still staying conservative principally in nature.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 21, 2012 12:00 PM (0q2P7)

329 can someone tell me if my hatred of anything white should extend to
those like my father who fought and died in such large numbers in WWII.

---

Yes. While it is true that they died so that we could give free shit to people of color, they are still white and they are still going to hell.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2012 12:01 PM (Hx5uv)

330 The only reason people of Latin heritage appear to be Liberal is because Republicans attack them

Hugo Chavez, FARC, Shining Path, etc?

Yep. Rock ribbed Republicans the whole lot of them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 12:01 PM (rZr77)

331 You really have no idea what kind of knowledge or skills are required to run a farm, do you? Your urban bias is quite extreme.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 11:12 AM

jimi is just pissed she didn't win "Ms. Cornhole San Antonio" and lost to someone who looks more like a Duroc than she does.

Posted by: Farmer Juan at November 21, 2012 12:01 PM (2iU3x)

332 It's a Democratic state because bigots like you demonized all Hispanics as illegals. keep it up sparky and your party will go the way of the Whigs. Not all Conservatives hate Hispanics like you do and you will find this out very soon.
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:55 AM (p+4lN)


This is true. Conservatives hate socialists, communists, Marxists, and regressives. If a hispanic happens to hold those views, I hate that hispanic and ignore what they have to say. The same goes for any racial, ethnic, gender, sexual orientation, or other subgroup. It's a personalized hate structure, customized to meet the needs of the moment.

For example, you. You're clearly a racist and an idiot. So I discount absolutely everything you have to say.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:01 PM (4df7R)

333 I am out.


Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:00 PM (p+4lN)

Promises, promises ...

Posted by: eastvalleyphx just loves him some LIB at November 21, 2012 12:01 PM (GRvW4)

334 Yeah right, hostess uses the term 'white trash' to rile up the horde. Is there a dumber poster ever? I'd take a dozen illegal hispanics over this hyphenated American doofus.

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2012 12:02 PM (m2CN7)

335
I am out.

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:00 PM (p+4lN)


Unfortunately, I doubt you keep your promises

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 21, 2012 12:02 PM (tOkJB)

336 And one post after I ask the question I get the answer.

Yes, Hector is still hectoring.

Let the SoCon wars begin!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 21, 2012 12:02 PM (OWjjx)

337
support La Raza and the whole reconquista notion wholeheartedly. If CA is ceded back to Mexico, the Democrats never win another presidential election.



---- faster please

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 21, 2012 12:02 PM (R8hU8)

338 I remember a poem in MAD magazine a while ago about elections and computer-predicted results.. Don't remember most of it but the last three lines:

"what good are voters anymore?
We might as well get rid of them,
And leave the vote to IBM!"

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at November 21, 2012 12:02 PM (izA2D)

339 1 internetz, please.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:57 AM (8y9MW)




I'm out of internetz. Will this do?


http://tinyurl.com/a8uw9fl

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 12:03 PM (da5Wo)

340 "2. I know, being bigoted toward white rural folks is the last publicly acceptable form of bigotry and racism. It shows how you really feel about race, that you are still drawing lines of color and so are still deep down a racist."

well, it seems like the op is white herself, so i think "racist" is a bit premature, even if the op is making a tremendous show of her ignorance with appeals to the humanity of "spanish people". x.X

i should just like to remind my conservative-minded colleagues that so-called "white trash", while perhaps our political allies in terms of their opposition to immigration and liberal rule, are every bit as prone to Sucking The Government Tit as are urban, non-white members of the american underclass.

remember, honey boo boo endorsed obama. i'm sure food stamps and government "assistance" have something to do with the cultural underpinnings of that endorsement, even if that family is clearly no longer eligible for low-income aid. @.@

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:03 PM (79EF9)

341 Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 12:03 PM (da5Wo)

Are you trying to bribe me?

Is it SFW?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 12:03 PM (8y9MW)

342 He would have lost by less which is better than losing by more. After Hispanics, the next group the GOP needs to improve on are young people. But Republicans hate the youth so that vote is almost gone.Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 11:43 AM (p+4lN)


Look at the demographics of the current party leaders. Then tell me which party is the party of youth. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:03 PM (4df7R)

343 We get it- you have a hispanic wife,
__
Doubtful that any human being of any ethnicity would willingly couple with that thing.

Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 12:04 PM (jm/9g)

344 @ 300 - "I am a Libertarian"

Why didn't you tell us you were a retard from the get go? Could have saved me a lot of time on bothering to write out responses to you.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 21, 2012 12:04 PM (+inic)

345
Reconquista wants Texas, too.

And will have it in about 20 years

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 21, 2012 12:04 PM (R8hU8)

346 @ 324 kallisto

I never said all Hispanics identify as White. A majority according to the US Census does identify racially as White. Culturally Hispanics are Southern European regardless of their racial makeup. I am Serbian-American marries to a Latina and feel a familiarity with their culture.

Puerto Ricans speak a Dialect that came from Castilian. I have been to PR and have friends there. You know nothing about the people.

Hey do you have your pointed white hood ready yet?

Have a good day bigot!

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (p+4lN)

347 I love using the term White trash because it rattles Nativists.

---

I know that when some single digit IQ socialist calls me a name, I just curl into the fetal position and cry.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (Hx5uv)

348 Reconquista wants Texas, too.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 11:59 AM (8y9MW)


I would dearly love to see them try to "take back Texas."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (da5Wo)

349 BTW, Long live Serbia and fuck Islam you bigoted morons!

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (p+4lN)

350 Have a good day bigot!
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (p+4lN)


You, too, racist bigot homophobe delinquent! *waving*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:06 PM (4df7R)

351
speaking of Dildo #2 Hector...


Hector "Macho" Camacho was shot in the face. He's on life support.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 21, 2012 12:06 PM (8g+yb)

352 Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (p+4lN)

The stupid, it burns us.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx just loves him some LIB at November 21, 2012 12:06 PM (GRvW4)

353 340 Quit already. You're stinking up the blog.

Posted by: Fritz at November 21, 2012 12:06 PM (/ZZCn)

354 BTW, Long live Serbia and fuck Islam you bigoted morons!
Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (p+4lN)


See you later, you anti-American piece of gutter scum whore trash! Happy Thanksgiving!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:06 PM (4df7R)

355 I would dearly love to see them try to "take back Texas."

They're trying through demographics. Though we have a better record than other states of turning our Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) Conservative.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 12:06 PM (8y9MW)

356 I appreciate Hostess lives' constructive criticism and everything, but gee if I were a suspicious person I might wonder if he really has the best interest of the GOP in mind.

Posted by: nc at November 21, 2012 12:07 PM (Cxl7g)

357
If CA is ceded back to Mexico, the Democrats never win another presidential election.
Posted by: @PurpAv





2012 - Obama still wins 277 to 206

Yes, the Republicans do suck that much.



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2012 12:07 PM (kdS6q)

358 Are you trying to bribe me?

Is it SFW?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 12:03 PM (8y9MW)


Yes and mostly. No nudity.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 12:07 PM (da5Wo)

359 I wrote to ace Monday night about a meeting I went to for the San Diego County GOP. Ron Nehring, who is the former Chair for the County and State party, was the guest speaker. He mentioned the same the same statistics that York did. but still pushed for appealing to the Hispanic vote while at the same time not trying to buy them with amnesty.

Nehring's point was that the Hispanic immigrant is escaping communism/socialism in their old country to get to ours. Hence, they are conservative. The GOP problem is that we do not reach out to those legal immigrants when they arrive and that the Democrats co-opt them. The same, he said, was true on Asians.

His solution is to have our candidates go to those minorities, at their meetings, and speak to them. His example: the Voting Rights Act created minority-majority districts, that were surrounded by majority-majority districts. These majority-majority districts still have minorities in them and those are the people you start with.

The big thing I thought Nehring pushed was that Romney was +8 with men but -12 with women. This ties in with this morning's news dump on the GOP ignoring low information voters at their peril.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 21, 2012 12:07 PM (kqqGm)

360 Doubtful that any human being of any ethnicity would willingly couple with that thing.
Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 12:04 PM (jm/9g)


What Hostess Hector doesn't tell you is that he "married" his wife while he was still in Serbia. He bought her online from an Argentinian "modeling" service.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:07 PM (4df7R)

361 Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 11:57 AM (79EF9)

What blazing idiocy. You cannot conflate "farmer" with "farm worker". Most farmers today are highly educated, either via formal schooling or by years of experience combined with natural intelligence. The job requires it to survive. Picking fruit or driving a combine does not require a great deal of education or even thinking. Understanding government interference regulations, soil and water principles, chemistry, accounting, meteorology, markets, plant biology, etc does.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2012 12:07 PM (L8r/r)

362 Yes and mostly. No nudity.

Hmmm... an officer of Internet Tag Enforcement could get into trouble for accepting a bribe. So it'd have to be a really good bribe to work...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 12:08 PM (8y9MW)

363 Just for Hector, the rest of you Morons do not look I warn you.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/52338689.jpg



Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 12:08 PM (YdQQY)

364 What Hostess Hector doesn't tell you is that he
"married" his wife while he was still in Serbia. He bought her online
from an Argentinian "modeling" service.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:07 PM (4df7R)


No way that idiot is pulling some South American. I got him pegged for Scandi love.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 12:09 PM (da5Wo)

365 "BTW, Long live Serbia and fuck Islam you bigoted morons!"
This explains a lot. Serbia is after all very well known for its toleration of minorities and the calm reasonable approach it typically takes to handling disagreements with its neighbors.

Posted by: nc at November 21, 2012 12:09 PM (Cxl7g)

366 I have news for you morons. If every Hispanic left California tomorrow, it would still be a Democratic state, electing the same disastrous leaders.

It's not as if states like Vermont are teeming with Mexicans.

Posted by: JoJo at November 21, 2012 12:09 PM (MSrqi)

367 "Long live Serbia" but you are a committed Dem? That doesn't make much sense. Didn't Clinton bomb Serbia mercilessly without worrying if an orthodox church or two got destroyed (after all, it wasn't a mosque). The bombing was illegal and not covered because, of course, the President was a Dem. The General carrying out the illegal bombingran for President asa Dem. Are you mentally ill?

Posted by: ejo at November 21, 2012 12:09 PM (GXvSO)

368 Hmmm... an officer of Internet Tag Enforcement could get into trouble for accepting a bribe. So it'd have to be a really good bribe to work...


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 12:08 PM (8y9MW)


IMO, it's pretty fucking good.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 12:10 PM (da5Wo)

369 Did Hostess Lives! actually claim that Republicans hate "Spanish people?" Republicans hate Spaniards? Interesting.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 21, 2012 12:10 PM (pLTLS)

370 IMO, it's pretty fucking good.

Fine, fine. I'll let you off with a warning.

This time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 12:11 PM (8y9MW)

371 Are you mentally ill?
Posted by: ejo at November 21, 2012 12:09 PM (GXvSO)


No, he just claims to be a "libertarian," not a Dem. He's lying, of course. He's an idiot.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:11 PM (4df7R)

372 "Reconquista wants Texas, too.

And will have it in about 20 years"

erm, not so much!

why did hispanics like bush? why do hispanics like perry? what is texas doing differently than the rest of the nation?

yes, the first-generation and second-generation immigrants here trend blue, but when the grandchildren start making good money and experiencing a middle-class success buttressed by the blood, sweat, and tears of their forebears, there's something about how texas treats its hispanic communities that turns a lot of the immigrants red.

the gop could take a serious cue, but it starts with dropping the rhetoric about "sending home" children who were brought here by no fault of their own before speaking age and have no connection whatsoever to their countries of origin.

hey, you gotta have a heart!

...no, for real.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:11 PM (79EF9)

373 317 I support La Raza and the whole reconquista notion wholeheartedly. If CA is ceded back to Mexico, the Democrats never win another presidential election.

Small price to pay IMO.]/i]

Come to think of it, I really wouldn't mind having to show my passport to go to Vegas, either.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 21, 2012 12:12 PM (hNXHo)

374 Fine, fine. I'll let you off with a warning.

This time.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 21, 2012 12:11 PM (8y9MW)


Did you click the link? I'm not a lib, I don't look for preferential treatment.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 21, 2012 12:12 PM (da5Wo)

375 oops

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 21, 2012 12:12 PM (hNXHo)

376 Gun thread up

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2012 12:12 PM (YdQQY)

377 My dog has no nose!!!11!!!

Posted by: kilgore tito at November 21, 2012 12:12 PM (nkiQM)

378 Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (p+4lN)
__
Why did you change your nic Hector?

Culturally Hispanics are Southern European regardless of their racial makeup.
__
Hispanics identify with their country of origin. Your distorted perception of reality leads you to believe that a Peruvian or a Mexicanshares the same culture as an Italian or a Greek.

Your attempt at establishing yourself as a citoyen du monde is a big FAIL, little boy.

Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 12:12 PM (jm/9g)

379 Nice try loser. Spanish people refers to anyone who speaks Spanish.
Spaniards refer to people from Spain. My wife Hispanics and I grew up
around them. I know more about them than a bigot like you.

The
only reason people of Latin heritage appear to be Liberal is because
Republicans attack them and the Democrats are the only ones who try to
win their votes. Bush got 44% of them and that's proves your bigoted
view is wrong.

1. Concentrate less on Spanish and more on English.
A person is a Spaniard a person is Spanish. Spanish in that usage is an ADJECTIVE meaning from Spain and can be used to describe anything including people, Spaniard is a NOUN which is specific as to a person from Spain.

Compare English (adj) (He is English) and Englishman (n) (He is an Englishman)

2. Bush was a big government liberal. Did you just forget about NCLB, and Medicare part D? And he provided a foil for the Democrats that has lasted a decade, and has done more damage to the Republican party than any other Republican, and arguably any person living or dead. If we have to run a Bush clone to just lose a voting block by less, IT ISN'T WORTH IT!

Latin people (Which is a horrible horrible way to amalgamate numerous cultures) vote liberal because they are liberal, just like everybody else who votes liberal. Bush was liberal, and they voted for him. So what? He's not worth repeating.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 21, 2012 12:13 PM (0q2P7)

380 Hand over 1 internetz, McNeece. Then get in the barrel. Don't make this harder on yourself than needs be.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:13 PM (4df7R)

381 Okay, the Ignoreusers script isn't half bad. You can edit it after you get it on your machine to do what you want with the comment. I took out the rabid ewok stuff and just left the comment blank to be less intrusive. If I was a live script programmer I could probably do more.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 21, 2012 12:13 PM (QupBk)

382 I hate the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: eleven at November 21, 2012 12:13 PM (KXm42)

383 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:07 PM (4df7R)
_

He better start sleeping with one eye open then.

Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 12:14 PM (jm/9g)

384 Nice try loser. Spanish people refers to anyone who speaks Spanish. Spaniards refer to people from Spain. My wife Hispanics and I grew up around them. I know more about them than a bigot like you.

Heh. Are the inhabitants of Austria and Switzerland Germans?

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 21, 2012 12:15 PM (LQjA9)

385 @ 367ejo

I am not a Democrat and hate that party, especially the Clintons. I hate the GOP as well because they have gone Nazi. Both parties have Serbian bloods on their hands. It;'s funny how Republicans love to trash Mexicans but kiss the ass of Muslims. That;'s why I laugh when I see Conservatives talk abbot Jihad. They supported Jihad against the Serbians.

@ 264 BCochran1981

I am American or Serbian roots. I met my lovely Latina here and will defend her to the end if you Nativist White trash scum try to throw her in gas chambers. That is the end game of what you Nativist Republicans want. You use the same language the Nazis did towards Jews. The difference is, Hispanics will fight back and not go to the gas chambers quietly. This Serbian will fight alongside them.

Now I am out!

Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:15 PM (p+4lN)

386 You just stay here closet racist who doesn't understand that Latin peoples have numerous cultures. I'm going to go talk about guns. Which is far more fun than explaining to a troll why they are screwed up.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 21, 2012 12:15 PM (0q2P7)

387 why do hispanics like perry?
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38% in 2010

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2012 12:15 PM (eEfYn)

388 380 Hand over 1 internetz, McNeece.

I may have had a little too much of my 'special' chocolate bar this morning...lol. Good times, good times.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 21, 2012 12:16 PM (hNXHo)

389
Ron Nehring, who is the former Chair for the County and State party
Posted by: John P. Squibob




As Chairman of the California Republican Party, Nehring has just overseen the collapse of the California Republicans to the point that the Democrats control all of the state executive offices, a super majority in both houses, both Senators, a continued dominance in the congressional delegation, as well as all of the large city mayoralties

So -- maybe we shouldn't listen to him.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2012 12:16 PM (kdS6q)

390 I sense another retard in the force.

Posted by: eleven at November 21, 2012 12:16 PM (KXm42)

391 Indeed, try calling a Mexican "Spanish". It's like calling an Irishman "English" and will be greeted with the same good humor.

Posted by: JoJo at November 21, 2012 12:18 PM (MSrqi)

392 "What blazing idiocy. You cannot conflate "farmer" with "farm worker". Most farmers today are highly educated, either via formal schooling or by years of experience combined with natural intelligence. The job requires it to survive. Picking fruit or driving a combine does not require a great deal of education or even thinking. Understanding government interference regulations, soil and water principles, chemistry, accounting, meteorology, markets, plant biology, etc does."

blah blah blah

do you have statistics?

like my statistics?

pertinently, like my statistics about iowans who, by and large, don't have the necessary educational attainment to seriously understand chemistry, much less free markets or meteorology.

we have farmers around here, too. they bring their produce to farmer's markets -- lots of financial savvy required for that, lemme tell ya /rolleyes

the engineers working for Big Farm-a (ha-ha!) can hardly be said to be farmers. i'll be goddamned if the small farmers are out there checking soil ph levels and making their own meteorological forecasts in order to improve crop yield.

it doesn't take a high level of education to watch the weatherman, sorry.

but i guess you can just throw out an unevinced appeal to "natural intelligence" combined with some of that juicy ONT-worthy ad hominem and by gawd, you've got yourself an awr-gyoo-mint! ~.~

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:18 PM (79EF9)

393 Bye! Have fun stormin the castle!

Posted by: eleven at November 21, 2012 12:18 PM (KXm42)

394 Okay, the Hispanic vote didn't cost the GOP the election. The black vote couldn't, because GOP never gets over 5%. It wasn't the wymynz, wasn't da yoots, wasn't the evangelicals -- analysts have said so. What the hell did cost the election?

I submit that the white catholics have a lot of 'splainin' to do. They voted against their own bishops. The whole nation is held hostage to a civil war in their church. Christ, they're not even living down to the expectations of the rock-ribbed protestants who didn't trust 'em 50 years ago. I'm done submitting now.

Posted by: comatus at November 21, 2012 12:19 PM (qaVK+)

395 "why do hispanics like perry?
---
38% in 2010"

40% was good when bush got it. "anomalously" good. not good enough for perry because he sort of made a bumbling fool of himself? cuz bush never did that >.>

either way, my point stands: if 40% of hispanics stay red, it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than 20 years to "reconquistar" texas. o.O

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:21 PM (79EF9)

396 Yo McNiece, I was just wondering, do your friends still call you Bignuts, or did that ease off after the operation? I don't think I'm ever going to live it down.

That bull scrotum will pull all your letters off to one side, you know.

Posted by: comatus at November 21, 2012 12:22 PM (qaVK+)

397 Actually, comatus, it was the wymynz, who haven't voted for a Republican since 1984. (Men haven't voted for a Democrat since 1964).

Posted by: JoJo at November 21, 2012 12:22 PM (MSrqi)

398 395
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29.6 years

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2012 12:23 PM (eEfYn)

399 Posted by: comatus at November 21, 2012 12:19 PM (qaVK+)

It was the Young woman vote... and the Hispanic vote... and the Black vote...

It was all the groups who Romney pointed out, were bribed by public policy.

Which Alex de Toquerville so eloquently pointed out... is the death of any Democracy.

The Racists... and Sexists... WON.... by treating individuals as groups, then using Mazlos hierarchy of needs to find somthing to buy them off with.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2012 12:23 PM (lZBBB)

400 Gun thread -- Internet officially dead for the day.

I will see you all Monday if you don't see me first.

Posted by: eleven at November 21, 2012 12:24 PM (KXm42)

401 No, he just claims to be a "libertarian," not a Dem. He's lying, of course. He's an idiot.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 21, 2012 12:11 PM (4df7R)
Yeah, Libertarian - my ass. He's a Statist POS. Just another Marxist racial identity guy, projecting his shit on us. "Latin wife", "white trash" and so forth. Someone taught him the Alinsky drill - poorly, I might add.Is it still 99%?

Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 12:26 PM (BoE3Z)

402 Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:18 PM (79EF9)

Thanks for buttressing your dipshittery. I grew up around farmers, with many in the family. My best friend is a farmer. I am not talking about Ag Businesses, I am talking about those actual farmers who own and run a family farm. In my best friends case, 480 acres of wheat and corn this year. It's himself and 5 employees. He has a Master's degree and would have a PhD except that his father's health declined to the point that he couldn't take the time off to pursue it. Your cherry-picked (SWIDT?) statistics mean something to your own hipsterism-induced urban dementia, but not to folks in the real world.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2012 12:28 PM (L8r/r)

403 You cannot conflate "farmer" with "farm worker".

Its easy for someone with urban bias who's never lived in a rural farming area to make this mistake. The city folk have all sorts of weird (and wrong) notions about rural areas.

I see this all the time with my friends who moved down here from NY/NJ. About half think the glades is freaking Jurassic Park, the other half think its Gramercy Park. The former won't step off pavement, the later wind up in the hospital and/or emerge from the bush dehydrated and looking like they got worked over by Freddy Kruger because they went out wearing shorts and Tevas.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 12:31 PM (rZr77)

404 "I grew up around farmers, with many in the family."

ah, yes, the old anecdotal evidence! xD

coupled with the continued ad hominem and your counterfactual exit-stage-left straw man, you're at a trifecta of fallacies.

yeah. one guy who doesn't have a phd is clear evidence that farmers as a whole are an educated lot.

especially when the Farmer State trails significantly in post-high-school educational attainment.

you can revel in your own nonexistent wit all you want, but the "real world" is hardly better characterised by a marginal population of rural high-school graduates than it is by the overwhelming population of we demented urbanites who actually believe in statistics. ~.~

let me guess -- "lies sent from the pit of hell"?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:34 PM (79EF9)

405 Posted by: tubal at November 21, 2012 12:26 PM (BoE3Z)

One important concept of the Libertarian philosophy, is that we are individuals, and should be treated as such...

His blatant Racism, and classism, clearly shows he is NOT a Libertarian.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2012 12:36 PM (lZBBB)

406 "Its easy for someone with urban bias who's never lived in a rural farming area to make this mistake. The city folk have all sorts of weird (and wrong) notions about rural areas."

you're a fucking child, man.

how old are you? like sixty? and you can't stop insulting me? grow the fuck up. like i said, it's no wonder ace pulled the plug on your cobbing privileges. confirmation bias to the max.

folks who work on a farm apparently not being farmers beside, what the fuck happened

you asked me to pull stats. i wasted my time pulling the closest stats available in the absense of statistics delineating the educational attainment of certain sectors.

and you're still bleating about "urban bias".

it was the "xtian", wasn't it? that's why your panties are all in a bunch, isn't it?

gawd, get the fuck over yourself.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:39 PM (79EF9)

407 "folks who work on a farm apparently not being farmers beside, what the fuck happened "

...to my stats on the Farmer State's poor educational attainment?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:40 PM (79EF9)

408 it doesn't take a high level of education to watch the weatherman, sorry

You got 500 acres in 20 different odd shaped pieces due to natural barriers. How are you going to organize the planting to minimize fuel usage and wear and tear on the equipment during the course of a year?

Do you even know how to begin approaching that problem?

That's an operations research linear programming problem BTW. It can be solved with Simplex. Farming is full of such problems.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 12:41 PM (rZr77)

409 ...to my stats on the Farmer State's poor educational attainment?

Of course you eliminated urban areas from the data, right? right?

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 12:43 PM (rZr77)

410 "I see this all the time with my friends who moved down here from NY/NJ. About half think the glades is freaking Jurassic Park, the other half think its Gramercy Park. The former won't step off pavement, the later wind up in the hospital and/or emerge from the bush dehydrated and looking like they got worked over by Freddy Kruger because they went out wearing shorts and Tevas."

also, my fiancé and i go camping all the time.

for days.

with no pavement.

or even cell service.

i'm not an expert survivalist or anything, but you better call your farmer friends STAT, because your "urban bias" straw man is falling down fast.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:44 PM (79EF9)

411 Have a good day bigot!


Posted by: Hostess lives! at November 21, 2012 12:05 PM (p+4lN)

Chinga tu madre.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent (I took down my FB account too) at November 21, 2012 12:44 PM (S3rrR)

412 "Of course you eliminated urban areas from the data, right? right?"

of course you're a complete fool if you seriously think that rural education is higher than urban education in a state without the characteristic urban underclass of america's biggest cities.

but that's no surprise to me. your unwillingness to accept any facts that controvert your preconceived notions of rural superiority is the hallmark of intellectual inertia.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:46 PM (79EF9)

413 Some of my best friends are wymynz. Not just wymynz-workers, either.

All you ancients -- like, sixty? -- better get the hell off of here while JR's laying about with the sticks he's broke the furniture into. You might, like, remember shit or something.

I can remember some "simple" farmers such as A Certain Party is clumping-up here. But they left the field about 50 years ago. I only know two classes of farmers: highly educated crop managers with well-developed HR skills, and devil-may-care gamblers with a day job, either at a car parts plant, a post office, or driving a semi. There is some overlap. And I know a lot of farmers.

Posted by: comatus at November 21, 2012 12:48 PM (qaVK+)

414 396 I was just wondering, do your friends still call you Bignuts, or did that ease off after the operation

There was an entire cottage industry built around ball humor during that dark, dark time. It was really, really easy to find reasons not to leave the house near then end.

Even with our wonderfully advanced medicine, somehow they left a bunch of stuff in there and didn't think it was right to remove it - so it remains a nice permanent disfigurement, albeit a fraction of its previous size and without all that pesky fluid.

I'd rather have a root canal twice a week than go through that shit again.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 21, 2012 12:56 PM (hNXHo)

415 "You got 500 acres in 20 different odd shaped pieces due to natural barriers. How are you going to organize the planting to minimize fuel usage and wear and tear on the equipment during the course of a year?

Do you even know how to begin approaching that problem?

That's an operations research linear programming problem BTW. It can be solved with Simplex. Farming is full of such problems."

to begin with, i learned linear optimisation in the ninth grade. since such a mundane piece of software as excel -- sans plug-ins! -- does linear optimisation to effectively arbitrary precision, i'm still not seeing the overwhelming level of education necessary.

(and for the record, if you think i can't solve the most basic of om problems, you must think an MBA from columbia isn't worth a goddamn thing.

but that's just your rural bias kicking in again.)

in fact, i'm sure i can easily solve most of the problems that farmers run into. actually, i wrote a paper on queueing theory when i was taking my mba that was never accepted for my lack of credentials and general lack of interest in anything non-finance by the culmination of my degree. so allocation problems happen to be something of a specialty -- isn't that just too inconvenient for your anecdotal argument!?

i'm sure there are a grand total of ZERO farmers in the entire world who can analyse the einstein-hilbert potentials associated with the collapse of a nambu-gotoh domain wall in a quantum formalism that can shed additional light on the physicality of the current concept of gravitational event horizons.

not that i claim to be smart -- just overeducated -- but i am not a good example to use when comparing problem-solving ability. however, if the basis of your argument is comparative problem-solving faculty, i will happily offer myself up as the gold standard of educational comparison.

i don't think you understand just how much time a mute kid has to get good at things, champ.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 12:59 PM (79EF9)

416 WTF are you guys talking about.

Posted by: eleven at November 21, 2012 01:02 PM (KXm42)

417 Notice the lack of a question mark.

Posted by: eleven at November 21, 2012 01:03 PM (KXm42)

418 @268: Godwin's Law strikes again!

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at November 21, 2012 01:03 PM (izA2D)

419 of course you're a complete fool if you seriously think that rural
education is higher than urban education in a state without the
characteristic urban underclass of america's biggest cities.


Or maybe I'm just the product of a rural school system...that had higher graduation rates than any urban system, that sent more to college than the nearby urban systems, and that had people move there, from cities, explicitly because the rural public school system was vastly superior to the nearby urban ones.

Nebraska high school graduation rate -- high 80% range.
California high school graduation rate -- high 60% range.
New York high school graduation rate -- low 70% range.

Indiana had higher SAT scores in 2011 than NY. So did North Carolina and Vermont.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 01:10 PM (rZr77)

420 My brother's PhD was in queuing theory and network optimization.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 01:13 PM (rZr77)

421 One important concept of the Libertarian philosophy, is that we are individuals, and should be treated as such...

Well yeah, but modern Libertarians haven't actually studied libertarian philosophy. They call themselves Libertarians because (a) Republicans are "icky" (b) they want legal pot and legal gay marriage. So the whole "demonization of entire classes of people, in direct contrast to well-established Libertarian philosophy" is fair game to these punks.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2012 01:14 PM (d/5qf)

422 What's to be done? Women aren't stupid, the jokes made here notwithstanding (and not helpful either). We need to get it into our thick heads that like it or not, vast numbers of women, particular voters under 40, are scared that the GOP will take abortion away from them. They really believe it, and it scares them.

Ask a reasonable woman about this. She may personally abhor abortion, but she still wants the option "just in case." It's not about abortion of OTHER women, it's about abortion for HER, "just in case." That is the practical view, that is the self-interest view. Sorry, but that's how it really is, IMHO.

The trick is to appeal to BOTH the personal, self-interest of woman AND to use the Democrats favorite cudgel, "FAIRNESS"

Romney could have diffused the issue this way, with a public, high profile, explicit:

"Abortion is legal in the USA. I personally opposed it, but in my administration there will be no attempts to change that, but neither will there be any expansion of it.

"The decision to abort, as stated many times by the pro-choice side, is between a woman and her doctor. The funding will stay that way as well.

"The federal government will stay out of your bedroom and out of your personal decisions on the consequences of what you do in the bedroom.

"That is only fair to those who believe that abortion is murder. There will be no federal funding for this deeply personal issue."

I look at it this way: there is not a chance in HELL that abortion is going to be eliminated in this country. NONE. Until we get honest about that, women, especially younger ones, will absolutely vote for the person who promises that her ability to have one is guaranteed. And an appeal to the fairness of paying for her own abortion would work.









Posted by: watchtheface at November 21, 2012 01:16 PM (ROdby)

423 When Excel can design a constraint set get back to me, I'll upgrade.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 01:17 PM (rZr77)

424 Mitt Romney beat himself with the 47% comment late in the campaign. Pure and simple. Blue collars and RETIRED people relying on Social Security checked out. Christians of all colors and denominations stayed home in droves, just couldn't get it up with a Mormon. White people of every persuasion in EVERY state just said "fuck it".
Republicans beat themselves. I'm sick to death of it and will be an Independant the rest of my days. Since the election I've cut my "blog" time down by 75%, and only visit this site (which Ipreviously visted at least twice a day 7 days a week)every few days. I'm done, as I'm sure millions of other white people are.
There isn't a conservative pundit I can read or listen to that has a clue. I'm pissed and intend on staying that way.

Posted by: tonynoboloney at November 21, 2012 01:18 PM (oVq90)

425 "All you ancients -- like, sixty? -- better get the hell off of here while JR's laying about with the sticks he's broke the furniture into."

no.

i don't mind ancient people.

i don't care for immature ancient people who come out with an unclever personal attack and stick to it even after the target of that attack has wasted his personal time acquiescing to demands for statistics showing that the Farmer State isn't all that educated in toto.

redefining "farmer" to include only those individuals -- engineers and managers -- whose incumbencies require a certain amount of education is a shamelessly unreasonable and irrational way to maintain an argument against someone's "urban bias".

there is simply no evidence whatsoever in this thread that farmers are a well-educated group in toto outside of the insult-filled, anecdotal bleatings of obviously agenda-driven country types.

i can sit here and wax academic about specific problems -- like i just did -- to "prove" how "educated" urbanites are, too, but doing so doesn't actually prove anything other than that i myself know a little bit about one particular thing!

to continue bellowing about "urban bias" because there is no meaningful substance to one's argument is the epitome of puerility, and in any even puerility should not be exhibited by the reasonable sexagenarian.

but i like ancient people!

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 01:20 PM (79EF9)

426 "When Excel can design a constraint set get back to me, I'll upgrade."

...are you just purposefully annoying me now?

i know you know how to use google. but here's a screenshot for, uh, your own edification.

http://___ur.com/gqrTO

i have a pen, but the pad is upstairs, and i'm lazy and in any case really need to save my energy for this evening >.>

so bear with the touch-pad circles.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 01:25 PM (79EF9)

427 well, i m g u r . c o m, in case you aren't familiar with the website.

without spaces. i guess that's how the pixy software defeats i m g html embeds.

clever, but oh-so-forced.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 21, 2012 01:27 PM (79EF9)

428 redefining "farmer" to include only those individuals -- engineers and
managers -- whose incumbencies require a certain amount of education is a
shamelessly unreasonable and irrational way to maintain an argument
against someone's "urban bias".


Here's a clue -- those people you see at your "farmers market" aren't real farmers. Real farmers don't got time for that kind of small caliber shit.

What you think are "farmers" are guys who got a truck somewhere who are working an arbitrage game buying from actual farmers, or hobbyists working a few acres so they can continue to have their land taxed at lower agricultural rates.

This goes on around here all the time. A watermelon at Publix or Walmart is $4-5, the same watermelon in a field over in Plant City (a FL ag area) is $.80. People get a truck, go over to Plant City, fill it with $.80 melons, then drive them back here to Palm Beach and sell them at a "farmers market" for $3.

Those people aren't farmers, nor do they have any of the skill set farmers have. They got a truck, and know they can turn a few bucks moving melons from point A to point B.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 21, 2012 01:41 PM (rZr77)

429 "If the price of reaching the "Hispanic" community is amnesty, we've got an unsquarable circle."

We've got an unsquarable circle.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 21, 2012 04:42 PM (F3HO3)

430 You'all believe that the dehmiturds will give up their voters to the republicans?
That is NOT EVER going to happen.
The dehmiturds will NEVER give up the voters they have shanghaied by there honey covered tongues.
No matter if we go ALL black or all mexican for all the canadates for ALL the next elections into the next century. Just will NOT happen.
Rush is correct and right on this, DO NOT DOUBT HIM.

Posted by: Heltau at November 21, 2012 05:47 PM (Tp2Qu)

431 You can't win when the democrats are allowed uncontested cheating, multiple voting 3 times or more in Florida, machines programmed to roll votes to the democrat candidate and make the amount of difference .7 %, election supervisors who can hire temp workers to manufacture ballots at her supervision, can have certain democrat stronghold precincts counted multiple times, and there is no election integrity in swing states.

I believe the democrat cheat nationwide is now at 10% or more, how can you win against these odds?

Posted by: ChillytheAlaskan at November 22, 2012 01:56 PM (NQv7M)

432 How dare all those spanish-speaking hordes dare to move to places like Los Angeles, San Antonio, San Francisco, La Florida, Colorado, Nevada and Nuevo Mexico? They obviously don't belong there!!!!
Btw, if you lot are ever tempted to discuss something seriously, why don't you check how many latin american countries have made abortion legal? or when did they legalize divorce? gay marriage? Then you can discuss whether "latins" are conservative or not. And btw again, for every Chavez and Castro you can find 2 dozens of Pinochet, Somozas, Videlas, Stroessners etc - although conservative talk show hosts may not know what these are, they don't show up in their briefings.

Posted by: Santa Anna at November 23, 2012 03:44 PM (5ojYP)






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