Why I Post Non-Political Stuff (And Why The Right Should Engage the Culture In Non-Explicitly Political Ways)

I was going to post a non-political thread, and then started writing the following justification/explanation. I realized at that point I was writing a political thread, which defeated the purpose of branding a thread "Non-Political."

Let me explain why I do these threads. First some personal reasons you can easily ignore, and then a broad and important point I think you shouldn't.

1. First of all, I'm a human being, and I have interests besides politics. Now, you could argue, "Hey, this is your job, keep the non-political stuff elsewhere," but let me explain why that makes no sense.

Let's say I wanted to talk about Prometheus (as I did last week) but was observing a Can't Post Non-Political Things on the Blog. What would I do? Well, I would post on another blog. Let's say a sci-fi blog, or a tech blog, or a movie blog.

And I'd join the conversation about my post on another blog. Thus, instead of discussing this with the people on the internet I know best, I would be off on another blog discussing it with people I know less.

Either way, you wouldn't be getting a political post in exchange. I would just leave this blog blank while I went over to someone else's blog and had what I considered to be an interesting discussion.

This is why I sometimes go on Twitter (though rarely anymore). Sometimes I just don't want to deal with the crap about "I don't watch this/read this/care about this" grief, so I go on Twitter where no one can say I'm obligated to write relentlessly about politics.

By the way, I really don't understand that whole urge to post things like "I'm not interested in this topic." So? It's a strange thing to say. People rarely, if ever, say that in real life. What they usually do is just drift away from a conversation that doesn't interest them to find one that better suits them. They usually don't explain to a group of people having a conversation, "I am not interested in the topic you are discussing and I would strongly suggest you change it to better suit my current interests."

Now, about going to other blogs or Twitter, I hate doing that, actually, because I have long believed if you have a blog you should be posting almost exclusively on your own blog. Any content you're putting on other fora is essentially wasted. Money and time out the door, essentially.

So, I post here. Not everyone is going to be interested in a thread in which I talk about James Bond, but some are, and importantly, I am.

Which leads to the next point.

2. I'm not being selfish when I say this: It is more important that the writer be interested in his writing than any particular reader. Think about it. Not every writer might like a book by, say, Raymond Chandler, but Chandler only needs to please 10,000 people and he's got a hit (a small one, but a hit.)

Now what if Raymond Chandler isn't interested in the book he's writing? Then you get something like his last finished novel, Playback, and it's awful, and no one else likes it at all. No one.

This is just a rule: It is nearly impossible to write something interesting if you yourself are not interested in what you're writing about. It can be done; professionalism and muscle memory can compensate. But by and large you just get Thomas Friedman -- clearly bored with his life and his column -- writing the same stupid shit week after week.

3. Sometimes I don't have anything interesting to say about a political topic which is admittedly important, but I do have something interesting (I think) about a non-political topic, which is less important, but I actually have something to add.

Blogs come in different forms; some are just straight-up news aggregators. A link and an excerpt and a place to comment.

I can do that -- I often do that -- but I don't feel like I'm doing my job if I do that. If all I do is link stuff, what am I actually adding?

This is why I sometimes write about more trivial concerns-- not because I think the trivial concern is more important, but because I have something, anything small to add to the trivial topic, while I have nothing to add about the bigger topic.

I haven't done a post on Israel today. Or yesterday. Obviously, the Israel conflict is very important. I should do a link-and-a-quote, just to give people a space to comment. (I will do this, actually.) But I have nothing to add. I have no added value. It's just going to be a link and quote.

I could say something like "I hope Israel wins" and "I hope this is resolved without too many deaths" and "this will never end until the Palestinians understand the connection between bad action and bad outcome, but they're currently being infantilized politically, sheltered (to a large extent) from the consequences of their actions" but those are obvious things and I've already said them anyway, sixty six times.

I can go twenty, thirty times repeating the same stuff. Around the fortieth time, though, it starts to feel a little repetitive.

If you compare that with the Prometheus post: No, the Prometheus post was not important. But it was at least interesting to some (including me). Writing the same three things about Israel would not have been interesting. Commenters might have had some interesting points (which is the reason I'll put up a quote and link post), but me, not so much.

Okay those are the personal reasons. Now here are the more important reasons, including the political reason for non-political posts:

4. Community building/humanization. Sometimes there are some pretty mean fights that break out. I think that seeing someone in more human terms -- not as a political adversary or rival -- helps defuse that.

We all know -- or should know, by now -- the internet does not allow a human view of one's opponent. One finds oneself (I am as guilty as any) saying things to strangers one would never, ever say in real life, and I don't just mean due to fear of being punched in the mouth. (Though the threat of violence does tend to make social interactions more polite--as Conan observed, savages tend to be more polite than civilized men. The prospect of getting your head lopped off over an ill-considered remark tends to encourage politeness.)

It's more just that you can't see the face, the other human being, on the other side of an internet nastygram, and that encourages all sorts of asocial behavior. Human beings have built-in empathy receptors keyed to the faces of other human beings. We lay off each other, in real life, because we don't like to see each other hurt. We don't like the sight of tears.

The interent doesn't have anything like that. There is no brake pedal in an internet dispute, as there would be in a real-life one. In real life, seeing someone mortified and hurt would make us stop pretty darned quickly.

So, I like the non-political threads for that aspect-- because, in a way, you get to see someone's humanity. Maybe empathy is just one shared recipe away.

5. On that point, threads like this are good for the right, politically. In fact, there should be blogs like this -- that is, center-right blogs that have little to do with politics.

I know that sounds odd, but that's how the left wins the culture. They dominate the culture with entertainment/news stuff that, supposedly, is apolitical, and thus attracts people who aren't interested in politics, but who are interested in LOLcats or Twilight or science fiction or whatever. But they will slip in their political beliefs, and thereby create two extremely useful effects:


First Major Effect: Convincing people that this political culture (liberalism) is ubiquitous and therefore the choice to pick any another culture would be swimming upstream and socially disfavored and create all sorts of problems.

One of the problems with the right's attempts at media is that it is always -- or almost always -- expliclity political, and ergo argumentative (argumentative in the "good" meaning, but also often in the bad one). We're always trying to persuade in conservative media. Thus, conversion can only happen when people tune into us when they're in the mood to be persuaded that everything they used to think is wrong, and these other people have been right all along.

You know how all often people tune in to discover how wrong they've been about everything? Rounding off to the nearest integer, zero. Zero percent of the people tune in zero percent of the time to be told how very wrong they are about everything.

Taking it to three significant digits like Nate Silver, The Model projects that zero point zero zero percent of the populace searches for websites and magazines to tell them they are 100% wrong about everything zero point zero zero percent of the time.

The left doesn't do it like this. The left infiltrates non-political media and stuffs them full of political assumptions.

We say on the right we have better arguments. We do. Guess what? It doesn't matter. Because an assumption -- something you've grown to believe without even realize you've been programmed, by dint of repetition, to believe -- will beat an argument every time.

Soft liberalism is the default setting for the American mind, generally. Why? Because to make a contrary choice requires three things:

1. A conscious choice.

2. A decision to do some work and do the investigation necessary to make that choice.

3. An admirable bravery regarding the likely social consequences of making a socially-disfavored choice.

Yes, we will still have our arguments. And they will win, assuming the target of persuasion is amenable on those three grounds -- he's willing to make a conscious choice, he's willing to do some philsophical/political homework, and he's willing to face the consequences of social disapproval and outright mockery for that choice.

If not, we lose, and John Q. Public goes back to thinking Democrats are awesome because they stand "for the common man."

Like I said: It would be better to have the assumption than the argument. You cannot reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into in the first place, the saying goes.

Second Major Effect: That liberals are fun guys full of wit and interesting things to say and don't drone on and on about politics all the damn time.

The reason the right must do this is that 90% of political belief is not rational per se. It's pre-rational, to coin a term. It's not irrational per se, but it's often not examined on strictly rational, faculties-of-higher-thinking-fully-engaged level, either.

It's who you like.

If you liked and respected your parents, and they were traditionalists and conservative-leaning, I'll bet real money you're a traditionalist and conservative too.

If you didn't like your parents, and they were traditionalists and conservatives, I'll bet real money you are now a progressive and general "rebel" against society, throwing the finger to the Tomb of the Unknown Solider, who is really your dad.

(This also works the other way-- a liberal who loves his liberal parents will be liberal, and one who thinks they're foolish and lazy, like Adam Carolla, will wind up believing the exact opposite of them.)

Liberals understand this. Or at least they behave in a fashion which suggests they understand this. It is quite possible they are simply attracted to media positions because they just have that skill set and don't have other skill sets. But either way, it works out nicely for them.

Tell me the truth: You can knock celebrities all you like -- Big Dummies, Stupid Liberal Fatcats, etc. -- but admit it. When a celebrity you like -- writer, actor, director, musician -- slams your political beliefs, it hurts.

I wasn't happy to find out Captain Mal Reynolds of Firefly was a big Obama guy. Didn't ruin my day or anything, but still. Minor bummer.

Politics, for most, is less about argument and logic and rational underpinnings and grandly conceived ideology than it is a simple human choice: Do I feel more affinity with this group over here, or that one over there? And once you've chosen a tribe you're more comfortable with, you begin adopting their attitudes and mores.

Did you have a group you hung out with in eighth grade? Did you sort of dress like others in the group? Listen to the same music?

Same thing. People are complicated in many ways but in some of the most important they're brutally simple.

And this is why I do think there is a strong political rationale for my non-political posts. I still get hits, for example, on my Guide to the Best Episodes of Dr. Who. Those are not political junkies coming here; they're Dr. Who fans.

Now, if they like the guide, if I've provided them a service, then they slightly like me (at least to the extent one "likes" a waitress at a restaurant who does a good service for you).

And this tends to make Team Red seem a little more human and accessible and really Not So Strange At All.

We don't do enough of this. We say we're the people With Real Lives Apart From Government and Liberals are the ones who are obsessed with politics because They've Got Nothing Else In Their Lives, that government for them is their church, their community, even their softball league.

And I think there's truth in that. But consider this: Whenever someone meets or sees a conservative in the public square, we're the ones talking about politics, we're the ones trying to convert them, we're the ones trying to make an ideological sale.

Liberals explicitly try to make ideological sales, too. Liberal blogs do. But think about BuzzFeed, which attracts people mostly with LOLcats, sideboob, and Funny Gifs but then hits them with subtle political messaging every fifth post. I don't mean BuzzFeed Politics, either. I mean BuzzFeed LOLcats.

Subtle -- just a joke here or there. But it's enough to make the point who the Popular Kids are and who the hopelessly unfashionable, crazy smelly kids are.

Early last century, a Communist named Gramsci declared that the only way to prepare a populace for revolutionary communist change was the Long March Through the Institutions, a slow but persistent process of infiltration and then complete capture of the most important information- and opinion-transmitting institutions in the nation.

He was right. And also, his plan is now almost fully completed. Can you even doubt that?

I just saw a movie in which someone said something like "There are two things that will bring down any mountain in the world-- time, and patience." The left has shown they have both.

The "conservative media," as it stands, is doomed to failure, because, as it stands, it is explicitly an alternative -- thus conceding the liberal media is the dominant one -- and is parasitic on the liberal media. While there are right-media ventures doing original work, by and large we're a Shadow Media, rebutting and critiquing the liberal media.

But a critique is just a critique. I can write a great review of Skyfall but you will never once wonder to yourself which is more important, my critique or the actual film I'm critiquing.

This may seem counter-intuitive, but if conservatives want to change the culture, change the media culture, more of us need to stop critiquing the culture from the outside. We need to join it -- and not as conservatives, either. Not conservatives, Named and Shamed as conservatives. Not as critics. Not as a Shadow Media. Not as people trying to ring up an ideological sale.

Just people are who are in positions to influence things, should they need some influencing.

Although we scream about media bias, they're actually not biased 90% of the time. 90% of media has no bias, because it's not about stuff that's really that political.

But ah, that last 10%... the 10% where it is political... that 10% where a decision to send lots of resources to a story or bury it... that 10% where the choice of Narrative becomes critical in shaping the public's reaction to a story.

It's that 10% that swings elections, and swings the fate of nations.

I can't really do much about all that, except to express my opinion that if conservatives want to win elections, they have to start competing in the arena of culture. Billionaires should buy some newspapers. Venture capitalists should fund new media ventures which will not be conservative as their main identity, but about various general interest things, but may have a conservative-leaning political/editorial board attached.

And younger conservatives should start getting jobs in the media, and I mean the straight liberal media, and not so much in the conservative Shadow Media. Take it over from the inside, as the left did in the Long March Through the Institutions.

But meanwhile, on this blog, I'll continue posting things I think are funny and interesting, like the Greatest Event In Television History, the Remake of the Simon & Simon opening credits sequence.

And not just because I'm being lazy and silly -- though I am that. But because there is a value to being lazy and silly sometimes. Sometimes, strangers on Google aren't looking for an Argument, but are instead looking for Lazy and Silly.

And who knows, maybe one in a thousand of those sticks around.


Posted by: Ace at 06:24 PM



Comments

1 Prometheus sucked ass big time!!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 06:28 PM (tVTLU)

2 We're not supposed to read that, right?

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 06:29 PM (1Y+hH)

3 Oh, and Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016!!!!

And Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

done and done!

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 06:29 PM (tVTLU)

4 Okay who pissed him off again.

Posted by: jeanne at November 20, 2012 06:30 PM (GdalM)

5 When did "Ace; The Other Stuff" come out in the theaters?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 06:30 PM (wwsoB)

6 It's Ace's party. We are all lucky to be invited. "Stupid People are ruining America."

Posted by: California Red at November 20, 2012 06:30 PM (icSBv)

7 Dammit. I love LOLcats. Just not the douchebags who create it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2012 06:30 PM (UOM48)

8 And final point, you are dead on. We need to be knee deep in the culture.

Otherwise you seem like an idiot and unable to connect with people.

Although I will admit that I cannot stomach most of these fucking shitty sitcoms these days. I mean seriously, none of them are that good. Some on NBC still but other than that it's a fucking wasteland.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 06:31 PM (tVTLU)

9 Well Ace I never thought this was a political only blog. Indeed the first post of the day is straight news. We also do book threads, game, threads, and movie threads.


As for celebrities that take different political leanings, if I like their work I continue to like their. I like S. M. Stirling but he is a hardcore liberal. I ignore it.


A celebrity really has to go out on a limb and saw it off before I abandon them. ergo Dixie Chicks goijng to England and talking trash about Bush and the US.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:31 PM (YdQQY)

10 I didn't catch which movie Ace was reviewing in this post

Posted by: phreshone at November 20, 2012 06:31 PM (MAhUT)

11 Don't you know that Ace started this blog because the IMDB chat boards had a 1,000 word limit?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 06:31 PM (wwsoB)

12 Ace I rather enjoy your forays into the "secular", the thing is the leftoids are more monolithic and exclusionary than the "stodgy old boy's club" perhaps you can ponder whether it may not be better to transcend the "shadow" medis and generate a genuine alternative source of entertainment et al. You can make the argument that the best and most conservative friendly pop culture is already on cable not too big a leap to try to expand that and vote with our feet as a mass movement.

Just a thought, I do agree and accept we need a counter long march.

Nice read as always.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 06:31 PM (LRFds)

13 Some of my favorite posts on this blog aren't expressly about politics, just like some of my favorite Mark Steyn articles are about music, movies, etc.

Write about what interests you; the piece will likely be better than something you churned out because you felt obligated.

Posted by: AndrewR at November 20, 2012 06:32 PM (8bsRB)

14 I mean seriously, none of them are that good.

Bite me.

Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at November 20, 2012 06:33 PM (6TB1Z)

15 OK, is this somehow tied into the garrett thing? I saw "Chandler" so that's my guess.

Posted by: Y-not, still behind the curve at November 20, 2012 06:33 PM (5H6zj)

16 Ace,

You wrote:
Early last century, a Communist named Gramsci declared that the only way to prepare a populace for revolutionary communist change was the Long March Through the Institutions, a slow but persistent process of infiltration and then complete capture of the most important information- and opinion-transmitting institutions in the nation.

Actually, I believe this was stolen from the works of the best author of all time, Fyodor Dostoevsky. I have read a ton of his works and there is a great great great quote from him about this.

I'll try to find it for you and post it tonight. That's how much I care.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 06:33 PM (tVTLU)

17 I get where Ace is coming from. I've been around people I've agreed with politically but wouldn't talk about anything BUT politics, and when you brought up another subject they'd steer it right back to politics.

You know, enough already!

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 06:33 PM (wwsoB)

18 We're drowning in politics lately. I've been feeling like the country is lost.

We need a non-political thread occasionally. I'm so damned tired.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2012 06:33 PM (UOM48)

19 Jesus ace, you should get a side job writing software license agreements. Nobody reads those either.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (+lsX1)

20 There is no brake pedal in an internet dispute, as there would be in a
real-life one. In real life, seeing someone mortified and hurt would
make us stop pretty darned quickly.


Not me, you rat bastards.

Posted by: Lindsey Stoned at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (vbh31)

21 I'm a faithful Moron because of the excellent writing oozing in snark, regardless the topic.

Posted by: Jayne Cobb's Hat at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (afOrA)

22 As for the point of your post, yeah, the community building thing is important. I don't know that it extends beyond that. I don't see us (conservatives) taking over Hollywood or the MSM or academia any time soon.

Posted by: Y-not, still behind the curve at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (5H6zj)

23 Dude!

This is your blog and we will post comments on a thread containing nothing but an ampersand.

I remain surprised when you feel the need to explain yourself.

Posted by: 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (piMMO)

24 A blog post about why to write a blog post and not a blog post posted elsewhere. Ah, the humor here.

Posted by: Flounder at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (Kkt/i)

25 I believe this was stolen from the works of the best author of all time, Fyodor Dostoevsky.

Please. Turgid didacticism is not good writing. Now Melville......

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (6TB1Z)

26 I actually like the non-political stuff. The ONT and the movie discussions and everything elseare what keeps me coming back.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 06:35 PM (3x3F6)

27 I like non political threads. If anything, politics is bad for you. You are asking a government to make things better when you should be making things better yourself.

Book threads, movie threads, the ONT stuff is about as good as it gets here (and it's pretty darn good here).

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 20, 2012 06:35 PM (Dbcq3)

28 off winning! sock

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:35 PM (piMMO)

29 17-18:
Exactly. It's like being at church and all anyone wants to talk about is God and Jesus. Look, I get all that, but how about the Bears epic fucking collapse last night and the swinging door offensive line moves.

Anyone that blames Jay Cutler for anything is a fucking idiot. It's a damn jailbreak out there.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 06:35 PM (tVTLU)

30
Liberals, now in power, have become the control freaks and scolds.

They are only for 'fun'...if they get to decide what is 'fun'.

In other words...Liberals have become that which they used to rail against.

This is what will ultimately be their undoing, more than anything else.
But we can help the process along, by pointing it out whenever we can.

Posted by: wheatie at November 20, 2012 06:35 PM (ICEh3)

31 A point, Ace - at some place the culture becomes so toxic, so corrupt and vile that conservatives find themselves unable to consume that poison.

In a lot of ways, we're there. The culture in many ways is too vile to stand for many of us. It is replete with outrageous and dehumanizing bigotry towards people who generally approve of God. It offers no assumption of neutral intent to those who are conservatives but instead portrays them ALL as evil strawmen.

It isn't a thing some of us can do without feeling nauseous, this "engaging the culture" thing. It's like being invited to have some hot ladles of diarrhea out of a fresh bucket of filth.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 20, 2012 06:35 PM (IOSGZ)

32 That remake was one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time.

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (8lB0x)

33 >>>. I don't see us (conservatives) taking over Hollywood or the MSM or academia any time soon.

took them, the Gramsciites, 50 years. No, it's not a quick fix.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (LCRYB)

34 The other thing is the actors are caught in a double bind. No offense to Filion but I am betting he is not the primary thinker in his leftward tilt. They develop a hive mind and many cave so they do not have to face "exclusion."

If I had a few billion dollars I would make a decided effort to creat an entertainment version of Current for the right.

Classic cop show with less "true grit" ala the shield but not a cartoon like Dragnet.

Westerns showing the complexity and interlocking interests of the people in a gulch.

A modern comedy about conservative family members trying to cope with the downsides of our current state without sermoning to the 9s.

You'd need slightly fading screen stars who got it.

Infiltrating Hollywood means we have to have several "it" girls and boys be stealth Cons...

tall order.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (LRFds)

35 I've been on ONT threads some nights where there was less than 10 percent political content

Then again, there was one that would have been easier on the blog if it had been political content


Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (wwsoB)

36 I'd like to see more non-political content, for the childrens.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (4cRnj)

37 if we say we like this post, can we get the post with the gay-hipster-slap-fight video back???

Posted by: phreshone at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (MAhUT)

38 Ace, you have some serious word, paragraph, chapter - fu going on. I like your non-political posts because it helps rid me of my poisonous vapors. They build up, especially lately. You're doing me a service.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (BoE3Z)

39 Jeees. By brain hurts.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (MPtFW)

40 Since when does anyone care if you do non-political posts? And if they don't like them, they can skip them, right? I enjoy all your posts, and I think a majority would agree with me.

I do suspect kbdabear may be onto something, though.....

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 20, 2012 06:37 PM (2rMmy)

41 Didja see me on SNL? Yeah, I killed. Just when you thought I was an Obama butt sniffing donut scented man whore I rocked the comedy house! Axelrod said it would work to my advantage. Gotta go - Springsteen wants me to scrub his toilet.

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 20, 2012 06:37 PM (wIgpo)

42 I view Ace'o'SpadesHQ as life's color commentary.

Of course he's never posted any of the Gangnam Style parodies, so he's already lost the culture war as Gangnam style has already jumped the shark.

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2012 06:37 PM (9221z)

43 I'm still waiting on the James Bond thread myself.

Honestly, I'm a little sick of politics, and I'm glad this blog covers other things as well. I honestly would rather read about "Skyfall" or why Bill Belichek is a cheater than be reminded of how this country reelected a thumbless fuck up to run it for another 4 years like it did.

Posted by: UGAdawg at November 20, 2012 06:37 PM (WYOrt)

44 Well that was a lot of shit I don't care about. You should be posting about the Muslim Brotherhood demonstrating in Jordan. That shit matters

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 06:37 PM (GEICT)

45 25:

suck it Pep. Melville is a total pussy compared to Dostoevsky...

hahaha. I also will write up a biographical background on the post if I can find the exact quote. Dostoevsky's life was quite extraordinary.
If anyone understands socialism/communism/facism it is that guy. He was at the very epicenter of the beginning of the revolutions in Russia. He was one of the voices. Until he grew up and learned better.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 06:37 PM (tVTLU)

46 Great post, Ace. You missed one other reason to do non-political posts: it's not worthwhile to be angry all the time. We can leave that to Mary Clogginstein and DOCTOR AMY BISHOP.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2012 06:38 PM (OevbG)

47 34
>>>. I don't see us (conservatives) taking over Hollywood or the MSM or academia any time soon.



took them, the Gramsciites, 50 years. No, it's not a quick fix.


It isn't a matter of time, it's a matter of the kind of person who goes into show business. With a few notable exceptions, they are dull witted, self absorbed, and addicted to attention. We'll never take HWood back. HWood may cease to exist, though.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 06:38 PM (6TB1Z)

48 17 KBDaBear,

KB look back on these last 12 arguably 20 years....

they've been bad ones for the right politically and the nation is suffering deeply for the sins of the donks.....which is their plan.

That said you're right and I am making a determined effort to fake apathy.


Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 06:38 PM (LRFds)

49 >>took them, the Gramsciites, 50 years. No, it's not a quick fix.

I wrote "any time soon," but I think I mean EVER, because of THIS:

"Liberals, now in power, have become the control freaks and scolds."

I am not interested in being part of a movement that treats people the way that my husband and I have been treated by liberals. I am not interested in lock-step group-think, which is what dominates academic institutions. It's repulsive.

Posted by: Y-not, still behind the curve at November 20, 2012 06:38 PM (5H6zj)

50 Ace, nicely said for what I read. That you are able to post on Twitter is amazing.

Posted by: eureka! at November 20, 2012 06:38 PM (UL+ny)

51 This is ace's job?

Posted by: sinmi at November 20, 2012 06:39 PM (+UD5P)

52 And younger conservatives should start getting jobs in the media, and I
mean the straight liberal media, and not so much in the conservative
Shadow Media. Take it over from the inside, as the left did in the Long
March Through the Institutions.


Good luck with that. Try finding a court that will have your back like they had the libs back.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 20, 2012 06:39 PM (d0Dmj)

53 You can dilute the proportion of politics simply by posting a cheerleader pic, Kate Upton, or Christina Hendricks

We're easily distracted that w- ... elbows !!!!


Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 06:39 PM (wwsoB)

54 This is my favorite blog by far.

Not just for the political stuff and the military stuff. Remember when we were a 'smart military blog?' But for.... everything.

I really enjoy the sense of community, the ONT, the open threads and all the other stuff.

Like flame wars.

And cute kitteh pics.

Posted by: Shibumi likes the kittehs at November 20, 2012 06:39 PM (z63Tr)

55 Of course he's never posted any of the Gangnam Style parodies, so he's
already lost the culture war as Gangnam style has already jumped the
shark.


****

I'm not sure whether it was Ace or one of the cob-loggers, but at least one has been posted here.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:40 PM (piMMO)

56 I remain surprised when you feel the need to explain yourself.
Posted by: 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (piMMO)



Seriously, I don't get that, either. It's his freaking blog, let him write whatever he feels like writing.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 20, 2012 06:40 PM (2rMmy)

57 >>>Since when does anyone care if you do non-political posts?

Oh I get grief. It's only occasional, but like someone giving you the finger while you're driving, you remember that. You don't remember all the drivers who did NOT give you the finger, you know?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:41 PM (LCRYB)

58 Yeah, just post that picture of nancy boy Paul Krugman rubbing his pussy cat.

Fucking epic!!! Krugman is literally the dumbest shit ever to win a nobel peace prize. Even obama is more deserving than that idiot simply because zero is scheming...

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 06:41 PM (tVTLU)

59 Don't worry about it, Ace. It's your blog. And it'll be more interesting if you talk about the things that interest you.

When Mike Gallagher's wife died, he was worried that he might be talking too much about that. But people listen to him in large part because they like to hear what's on his mind.

Same deal here. I admit that, occasionally, there is a post here I'm not too interested in reading. At those times, as Breitbart might say, I can always skip ahead to the comments.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at November 20, 2012 06:41 PM (rVZBi)

60 57 I remain surprised when you feel the need to explain yourself.
Posted by: 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (piMMO)


Seriously, I don't get that, either. It's his freaking blog, let him write whatever he feels like writing.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 20, 2012 06:40 PM (2rMmy)



Somebody must be bitching.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 06:41 PM (GEICT)

61 Great post, Ace. You missed one other reason to do non-political posts:
it's not worthwhile to be angry all the time. We can leave that to
Mary Clogginstein and DOCTOR AMY BISHOP.


****

Yes.

The trolls do nicely in the rage bit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:41 PM (piMMO)

62 45 Well that was a lot of shit I don't care about. You should be posting
about the Muslim Brotherhood demonstrating in Jordan. That shit matters

Posted by: BCochran1981




Hey, stop shooting ace the finger.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 20, 2012 06:42 PM (4cRnj)

63 By the way, I really don't understand that whole urge to post things like "I'm not interested in this topic." So? It's a strange thing to say.

I don't think it's that odd, unless you keep commenting in the thread anyway. It gives you feedback on what your readers want from you. And you know that people read the post even if they didn't have anything to say.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2012 06:42 PM (QupBk)

64 I always thought this blog was about spitting on hands, hoisting black flags and slitting throats, a.k.a. "politics by other means".

Posted by: Clausewitz at November 20, 2012 06:43 PM (P2Ufm)

65 58 Ace,

On the one hand they are craving a hit of the classic Ace snark on donk idiocy...on the other...screw 'em it's your house.

Keep on keeping on.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 06:43 PM (LRFds)

66 I don't find this topic interesting

Posted by: DAve at November 20, 2012 06:43 PM (XDC0v)

67 I predict this thread will have a low comment count.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2012 06:43 PM (QupBk)

68 Ace this post wouldn't be because of my snarky comment about the last thread being pro football would it?


If so, that wasn't meant to be a criticism of you making a pro football post. It was meant to be a reiteration that I hate pro football.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:43 PM (YdQQY)

69 63
45 Well that was a lot of shit I don't care about. You should be posting

about the Muslim Brotherhood demonstrating in Jordan. That shit matters



Posted by: BCochran1981


Hey, stop shooting ace the finger.


Before he runs you off the road.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 20, 2012 06:43 PM (d0Dmj)

70 Test.

Posted by: creeper at November 20, 2012 06:43 PM (uf6AZ)

71 51
Ace, nicely said for what I read. That you are able to post on Twitter is amazing.


Posted by: eureka! at November 20, 2012 06:38 PM

The 140 character limit makes for some quirky posting by ace. Reading his string of tweets is like listening to William Shatner talk

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 06:43 PM (wwsoB)

72 Ace,
I'm an infrequent (not daily, not even weekly) reader but I do come back.
I'm what Oriana Fallaci might have termed an agnostic Christian. My attachment and devotion to Jesus is my formation, only death, if it is the end, can unform me.
This is a political reply, I guess, but not really off the mark.
I'm in retreat mode. I want out of a consumption mindset. I want out of hating my opponents. I wantto be able to think.
Conservatives -don't know if I am one, only know the Democratic Convention touched the void. Isn't it Spengler's idea of Destiny that made Bill Clinton the moral man there? WTF, Ace?- need to create not consume. On alocal level, that's the only place they can begin to restore vigor.
Just a suggestion, but short, short story might not be a bad add-on from time to time. Get submissions from your commenters. You've got a lot with both smarts and heart. Do it in series, like they did with the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, way back when.
God bless, Ace

Posted by: Aed at November 20, 2012 06:44 PM (vZLcL)

73 68 I predict this thread will have a low comment count.



Do we do that around here?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 06:44 PM (GEICT)

74 Hot damn! I'm back. Ace, if you fixed it, thank you. If you didn't fix it, thank you anyway.

Posted by: creeper at November 20, 2012 06:44 PM (uf6AZ)

75 The Yankees checked off a big name on their shopping list today when they agreed to terms with Hiroki Kuroda on a one-year, $15 million deal plus incentives, according to Buster Olney of ESPN. The incentives are said to add up to less than $1 million.


Well it's non-political right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 06:44 PM (79ueO)

76 The other thing to keep in mind is that no matter what topic you post the comments are guaranteed to go off topic within 10 to 25 comments.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (YdQQY)

77


Send in the clowns . . . . .


Bringing people to the blog is good in general, and humor is what keeps folks coming back. Even if they're trolls, we should be hospitable, not because the will immediately agree with us, but because they eventually might.

Let a smile be your welcome mat.

wait, that didn't come out right.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (UaxA0)

78 Thought provoking Ace. Thought provoking and subtle.

But all in all, I think I'd just rather

GO ALL ROMAN ON THEIR ASS!!!!

Posted by: LGoPs at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (BJVEF)

79 Well, I can't say I approve of this post.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (hhVWg)

80 BCochran, when I go to the goth club, sometimes there's a song I really want to hear. Maybe it's 'lucretia my reflection'. Maybe it's Imogen's "my secret friend". WHATEVER.

I might even request that they play it.

But if I told the DJ "play something that matters", the DJ might take that as douchebaggy, and then never play that song again as long as he saw my ugly face in his club.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (iDV/C)

81 Will there be any questions on the test from the last 43 paragraphs?

Posted by: Not an Artist at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (uRumV)

82 But seriously, this is some of the best stuff you've ever written.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:46 PM (hhVWg)

83 76 Vic,

or on a slow night post 137 and on a quick one post 7...

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 06:46 PM (LRFds)

84 Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (YdQQY)

I am not sure why, but this made me bust out laughing. It is so absolutely true.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 20, 2012 06:46 PM (2rMmy)

85 76
The other thing to keep in mind is that no matter what topic you post
the comments are guaranteed to go off topic within 10 to 25 comments.


I thought we were free to go off topic after the 100th post? Before that, and it's our turn in the barrel.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 20, 2012 06:46 PM (d0Dmj)

86 Posted by: boulder hobo at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (iDV/C)



*sigh*


It was sarcasm.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 06:47 PM (GEICT)

87 I am super guilty of looking at everything through the political-colored glasses.

Example:

Last night I and the family were watching Bones and part of the story line was that the Persian intern who came over from Iran was publishing a poetry book. And he got a chance to talk about how he got kicked out of Iran because when he was 18 he wrote poetry about freedom, sex, etc. etc.

And all the Bones people were like "Ooh that Farsi is so beautiful and it's so cool that you write poetry and you're so exotic and cool and Ooh!"

So I says, "This is so goddamed insulting! I am sick of the propaganda coming from these TV shows! They think we don't know that young Iranians are real people with real feelings. This is total bullshit!"

"Dad!"

"No, hear me out. Where was Obama when these young, exotic, liberty-craving, real-people were in the streets of Iran getting slaughtered? He was nursing a fat lip from one of his shitty basketball games, that's whare!"

"Dad!"

"Maybe these idiots should teach Obama that people other than HIM have feelings, and dreams and want to be free. Maybe? Huh?"

And that's when the frying pan hit me. Don't make your political points during the family's favorite show. That seems to be the lesson here.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at November 20, 2012 06:47 PM (PmG2+)

88 A modern comedy about conservative family members trying to cope with
the downsides of our current state without sermoning to the 9s.



You know what show I really like right now? Ben and Kate. Why? First, I think it's funny. Considering that it's a comedy, this is important. Second, there's some really interesting stuff going on with the show. It's great to see a show about siblings who actually love each other. They get on each other's every last never but they love each other. There's also references to their family life being pretty awful so they only have each other. Sadly, that's very true for many people. The sister is a single mother and it's presented as being hard work and difficult and the loser brother moves in to help. There's a subplot about lying where they live so the daughter can go to the good school. It's not at all a political show but it does have some underlying stuff that's not explicitly liberal either.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 20, 2012 06:47 PM (Gk3SS)

89 Mal Reynolds is a big Obama guy? Jeez....

Posted by: T at November 20, 2012 06:47 PM (Vgw1E)

90 I'm still disappointed that when i clicked "continue reading" the pic of the London Boys wasn't there...

Posted by: phreshone at November 20, 2012 06:47 PM (MAhUT)

91 Yeah I never got the people who insist on opening up the comments on a post just to declare that they find it unimportant and boring. For gods sake people just use the magical Page Dn button to make the boring topic go away. There'll be a new one in a few minutes so why not surf lol-cats and side-boobs until then?

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 20, 2012 06:47 PM (pAlYe)

92
Somebody must be bitching.


***

Wait, Ace/

Is this about the coconut flan?

It IS, isn't it?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:47 PM (piMMO)

93 I think that a good reason to have a conservative media is to make money. The MFM/Hollywood complex pisses off a least half of their potential audience. Look at FoxNews. Is it conservative? Barely, if that. And yet it dominates the cables. DOMINATES. G-rated movies also make a ton of money.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2012 06:48 PM (QupBk)

94 Ace, are you on methamphetamines?

Posted by: Daybrother at November 20, 2012 06:48 PM (+paCV)

95 If Ace wants to get this blog to be more non-political in a cultural way again he needs to start having accidental links to lipstick lesbian pron sites again.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 20, 2012 06:48 PM (kqqGm)

96 Well, expect me to thread-jack every thread next week to post pictures of the new puppy. T minus four days! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not, still behind the curve at November 20, 2012 06:48 PM (5H6zj)

97 82 MUMR,

Ace has dicussed this in the past during the Bush era IIRC and in the build up to '10.

I think the problem is we ceded the whole battlescape in the 2001-2009 era. We were trying to safeguard the war, but the mules were using the war as a smokescreen and delegitimizing and dehumanizing our entire competence. The downturn in 08 finished us off to low information nation and now the mules are trying to coup de grace us with amnesty.

Dire times.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 06:49 PM (LRFds)

98 mmm.... puppies

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at November 20, 2012 06:49 PM (MAhUT)

99 Guess this is a good place to post some ofthe 45 goals to a Communist takeover of America, since ace mentioned Gramsci:

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.


16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.


17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


18. Gain control of all student newspapers.


19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.


20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.


21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 06:49 PM (jm/9g)

100 I have an uncle who is so goddamned angry all the time. His political beliefs are little different than mine. I can't be around him more than ten minutes before he launches - into what's wrong with - everything political.
I love the guy, but he can't be redirected once he's going. He should come here, because I get my attitude adjusted at Ace's Place. He seems to have a boobies aversion, though, so there's that.
I think there's a compliment somewhere in this.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 06:49 PM (BoE3Z)

101 Show on the Hello Kitty doll where Paul Krugman touched you.

Posted by: soon to be seen on the ASPCA's court channel at November 20, 2012 06:49 PM (GeJs5)

102 Posted by: Y-not

Pictures of puppies are always welcome.

*wink*

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 20, 2012 06:50 PM (4cRnj)

103 non-political stuff... never heard of it...

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 20, 2012 06:50 PM (MAhUT)

104 Does this mean more discussion of me?

Posted by: Brian Dennehy at November 20, 2012 06:51 PM (GEICT)

105 I can honestly say without any animosity of reservation of any kind, that that was a lot of words and I didn't read most of them.

I appreciate you throwing down whatever you like to talk about on the blog. I also appreciate open threads. The more threads, the better, as long as they camp 45 minutes apart so people can digest and discuss.

I like getting insight into your mind, ace and cobloggers. Whatever the topic.

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 06:51 PM (I2LwF)

106 Shorter Ace: "Jack should do more posts about Stevie Nicks and Prince!"

Message received.

Posted by: Jack M. at November 20, 2012 06:51 PM (ZXOR3)

107 99
Guess this is a good place to post some ofthe 45 goals to a Communist takeover of America, since ace mentioned Gramsci:



15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.





16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American
institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.


The most important one, which they always forget:: "Incoming fire has the right of way".

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 20, 2012 06:51 PM (d0Dmj)

108 If there was any female nudity in whatever film Ace was yapping about, let me know.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 20, 2012 06:51 PM (C2//T)

109 I'm not being selfish when I say this: It is more important that the writer be interested in his writing than any particular reader.

Yes, it's important that a generic writer be more interested in his writing than any particular reader.

But if you want to be a full-time professional writer, you have to balance your own interests with marketability.

Personally, I think a good writer--such as Ace--can make any topic interesting. He's crossed the threshold that most writers would kill to cross, in that people now seek out his writing because Ace is writing it. It's not the topics that interest the readers, but the writer.

So have no fear, Ace. It was said that Terry-Thomas could read the phone book and make you die laughing. I'm betting that you, Ace, could write about anything you wanted and still have readers.

Test it. Write a long piece about cement and see how readers react. I don't mean a sterile description of cement's composition and usage, but a take on cement that nobody else has thought of.

I'll bet you could do it.

Posted by: Llarry at November 20, 2012 06:52 PM (jyUxu)

110 I didn't see this one yet, but I heard that Brian Dennehy's performance as the unemployed father of the little disabled boy who sings about razzleberry dressing, is quite poignant.

Posted by: Nibbageezer Scrunge at November 20, 2012 06:52 PM (6wzEa)

111 Love this post, Ace. One of those things that has to be said and explained to us.

Look, we'll never be the cool kids. Ever. The best we can hope for is the sarcastic and cynical leather-jacketed rebel, but he doesn't get elected president of the student body, no matter how much people are in awe of him.

It's those who make it to the top of "the system" that hold popular sway.

On top of it all, conservatives are grounded in reality. We are burdened by real life. Some of us, just because the ideas make sense to us, others because we have actual responsibilities like family and work.

Conservatism is the voice that says: No, you're not going to fly like Superman if you jump off of a building.

I think one of our attempts should be to get more of a foothold in geek culture. Geeks are attracted to libertarianism and are left out of the cool guy culture.

Geeks are way too trendy-liberal and it's a powerful subculture.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2012 06:52 PM (T0NGe)

112 Everything is political one way or the other. Me taking out the garbage is political since if i don't my wife goes all democratic on me and calls me bad names

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 06:52 PM (79ueO)

113 Unfortunately there is an influential part (although in real numbers a minority) that treats too many segments of society with barely concealed disdain i.e. Santorum and Bachmann supporters.

Our moto should be "We're Republicans, we work hard, we party hard, and we like to get laid!".

Posted by: Travis at November 20, 2012 06:52 PM (ychgM)

114 With the new Red Dawn coming out, it's apparent that the political PC BS runamok is killing art. Sure sure, we live in perfect peace, freedom, and prosperity right now, unlike in 1984, so there's no enemy to put on the screen against the US, but I doubt that the new red dawn is going to have:

1. hunting, let alone deer blood drinking.
2. shooting a commie in the fucking face point blank.
3. the next Swayze, let alone Charlie Sheen.

It'll be polished bullshit. We can't offend anyone. It seems like torture porn is the only artistic endervour out there that don't give a fuck. But that's gross.

Just saying, maybe don't give a fuck, unPC shit giving is the way to go from now on.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 06:52 PM (QxSug)

115
57 >>>Since when does anyone care if you do non-political posts?


Oh I get grief. It's only occasional, but like someone giving you the finger while you're driving, you remember that. You don't remember all the drivers who did NOT give you the finger, you know?


Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:41 PM (LCRYB)

-----------

Uh...so if we're female, we're going to be ignored.
And if we're well-behaved, and tend to agree with you...we're going to be ignored...and easilyforgotten.

Okay.
So the 'ettes have to be toxic rage-monsters, boiling bunnieswhile flipping you the finger, huh?
Good to know.

Posted by: wheatie at November 20, 2012 06:52 PM (ICEh3)

116 Just some quick additions:

"And I think there's truth in that. But consider this: Whenever someone meets or sees a conservative in the public square, we're the ones talking about politics, we're the ones trying to convert them, we're the ones trying to make an ideological sale."

Ok, but do you understand why that might be? It's (in certain cases) because it hurts. Seeing everything you've ever believed in being burned to the ground fucking hurts. And the realization that, to a certain extent, you were pretty much the only true believer anyway hurts even more.



"Although we scream about media bias, they're actually not biased 90% of the time. 90% of media has no bias, because it's not about stuff that's really that political"

I sort of disagree with that. And I think it also contradicts some of the stuff you wrote before that, at least as I read it.

"It's that 10% that swings elections, and swings the fate of nations."

I'd say it's the 95%, or maybe the 100%. To Leftists, everything is political. (And I think, in a philosophical sense, this might even be unavoidable.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:53 PM (hhVWg)

117 BCochran, sorry. Shoulda guessed.

Sarcasm / irony / teasing is hard to gauge on the internets.

Will go find a barrel now

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 20, 2012 06:53 PM (3qFD9)

118 I keep coming back here because I'm never bored by this place. Politics all of the time is exhausting. I appreciate the breaks.

Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2012 06:53 PM (v5bhs)

119 88 AlexTheChick,

and that's the key....not overtly political subtle points...

the libs are getting way too bold and over the top if lucky people may reject it.

I love William H Macy as a thespian but he's a professional loafer on some new bit on CBS I think....

I hate the pop culture but in the same sense I studied as a boy Red Army doctrine I probably need to reverse engineer kill pockets in this war against the red or at a minimum "pink."

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 06:53 PM (LRFds)

120 If you want to see a "conservative" show, I would suggest "Boss" with Kelsey Grammar. He plays a Chicago mayor who is crooked as shit, along with everyone else in the government all the way up to the Governor of Illinois. I don't think any party is ever mentioned, but from the coalition that is backing him, yeah, he's a Donk.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 20, 2012 06:53 PM (Zd/NW)

121 Our moto should be "We're Republicans, we work hard, we party hard, and we like to get laid!".


Shorter: "We're Republicans and we love life!"

Posted by: Brian Dennehy at November 20, 2012 06:54 PM (GEICT)

122 Great article Ace. I agree wholeheartedly. "Conservative" entertainment sucks because it tries to force its message and is not subtle at all. It's worst failing, usually, is it's simply not entertaining.

I like the Commentarama Films blog because it discusses movies from a Conservative viewpoint BUT it's also well done.

I try to infuse my music reviews with a tiny bit of Conservative thought, but I mask it as extolling the virtues of masculinity, achievement, overcoming odds, etc... Mostly though, I write to express the joy music brings to me and try to get others to listen to what I like.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (pLTLS)

123
I hate hearing about that Tom Cotton guy.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (tOkJB)

124 i understood it for a joke, BC.

I really don't get the "I don't find this interesting" complaint. People may say "well that's my opinion," but when you are dismissing a *CATEGORY* of a thing, you're not critiquing the individual version of it.

For example, I wouldn't be a movie reviewer if my reviews for RomComs consisted of the sentence: "I do not like romantic comedies."

To give an actual review, you have to judge the thing as it succeeds by its own rules.

It would be one thing if someone popped into this thread to tell me, "I disagree with your prescriptions, and here are two reasons why.'

That's an actual discussion about the matter under discussion.

But to just come in and say, "I don't like the category of Posts About Meta-Issues in Media," it's like... uhhhh... Good to know, I guess?

That's what I mean about non-political posts. If I post something on a show, like say Person of Interest, it's just strange for someone to pop in and say "I don't watch TV."

Okay... Doesn't really advance the conversation much.

I don't mind the "I don't watch TV" comment so much as the hectoring ones, the "I disapprove that you are writing about this subject" or the "*You* shouldn't watch this" Personal Life Adviser sort of comment, like the general disapproval of my Life Decisions.


Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (LCRYB)

125 I like the non-political posts, and I think if Breitbart had lived, the Bigs might have slowly, slowly started to transform the culture.

There's a movie site I like a LOT, and have been reading since before I was on LGF and Chuckles version 1.0 was extolling the virtues of a blogger named ace, which led me here. The site is called Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, and it's written by Ken Begg (who shows up here occasionally in the comments).

It's about MST3K-worthy bad movies, and non-political...except that every now and then Ken would work in an aside about some small conservative point. It meant so much to me--here's a guy, in CHICAGO, writing about the culture, and he was proudly (if not stridently) conservative. It meant that it was okay.

I expect that Adam Baldwin's tweets have similarly bucked up some wavering conservative who feels alone in the culture. It's incredibly important.

Posted by: Palandine at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (g7D8V)

126 Liberals, now in power, have become the control freaks and scolds.

Yep, yep, yep...except...people are generally control freaks. People who want to "make a better world" will always seek to control behavior. Why not? That's what "make a better world" or "social justice" means.

Making yourself a better person is a wholly different enterprise and, in fact, it relies on the bad behavior of others. How hard is it to be a teetotaller in a place with no alcohol?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (T0NGe)

127 @99, interesting, I bet it's a mere coincidence that the only western countries that aren't on the demographic suicide by importing rioting muslims are the former commie countries.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (QxSug)

128 mad gay yo.

Posted by: Ben at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (xTHBC)

129 Posted by: boulder hobo at November 20, 2012 06:53 PM (3qFD9)



Hahaha. No worries. It can be tough. Sentence commuted.

Posted by: Brian Dennehy at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (GEICT)

130 Yes.. we log on here to hear whatever mental wanderings you want to share with us.. we know that Ace. But you sound different in this post.. And no, I haven't read the whole thing.. it's way too long.. I'm too busy.. I'm trying to get through to the Indians/Pakistanis manning Microsoft's license activation support line (for the 3rd time).

Now.. where the boobies?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2012 06:56 PM (UTq/I)

131 >>>Ok, but do you understand why that might be? It's (in certain cases) because it hurts. Seeing everything you've ever believed in being burned to the ground fucking hurts. And the realization that, to a certain extent, you were pretty much the only true believer anyway hurts even more.

Sure, I'm just saying it's not every effective. It ghettoizes us-- we're the People Who Always Talk About One Thing, as far as they know.

Which is not how your typical Average Joe lives.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:57 PM (LCRYB)

132 121 brian Denehey.

Yup...

as i once said on one of my last benders, I fight harder, fun harder, and f**k harder than you...to a lib friend I was angry at.

I know my time here is short, and I want to leave something forward to my kids and grandkids.

we're in a whole different life than the super left.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 06:57 PM (LRFds)

133 When ace posts non political threads, radical islam wins. Which ace is ok with because he's a misogynist who omce like totally checked out my boobs. Which are spectacular, aren't they?

Posted by: atlas juggs at November 20, 2012 06:57 PM (lZVTe)

134 Turgid didacticism

Awesome use of the vernacular dude.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 20, 2012 06:57 PM (jts1f)

135 I hadn't noticed that the 'rons ignore females here, wheatie. No more than they ignore males they don't know very well.

Honestly if the 'rons were seeking out females to fawn all over, i'd see them as creepy losers. Better to be treated like everyone else IMO

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 20, 2012 06:58 PM (wfOrW)

136
112Everything is political one way or the other.

This.
So true, Ngu.

Our kids used to say.."Oh mom, why do youcare so muchabout politics?"
And my reply was always..."Because politics affects everything in our lives".

Now that they are older, and out in the world, they see what I meant by that.

Posted by: wheatie at November 20, 2012 06:58 PM (ICEh3)

137 DAMMIT TO FUCKING HELL,


/OFF SOCK

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 06:58 PM (GEICT)

138 This is a political blog?

Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 20, 2012 06:58 PM (OjQYm)

139 Ace,

OT, but I want to thank you for the following two additions to my vocabulary / idiom:

Person of Stupid
Schadenboner

And I am totally serious.

Posted by: Bob at November 20, 2012 06:58 PM (1efte)

140 This is a seriously awesome post, ace. One of your best. You are, without a doubt, one of conservatism's best thinkers.


Posted by: Warden at November 20, 2012 06:59 PM (HzhBE)

141 This is a political blog?

By weight, I think it's a blog about movies.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 20, 2012 06:59 PM (4+LTj)

142 I remember a lot of years back, JWF and I started blogs at almost the same time, and I checked his hit numbers monthly and he probably checked mine. I kicked his butt for almost a year, then he started bringing in more people, while I wanted to hide my identity and stayed 'me only' and kept it to only a post or two a day. Because blogging is a time sink.

He had more threads, more people commenting, more varied content, while I had original Photoshops and links to stuff that anyone could find on Drudge. Except for the occasional find that I'd give the ponied hair guy and he'd get millions of hits and pretend it was all about him. Because he was checking the blogs of English writing Iranian dissidents daily -- yeah, right.

I'm also one helluva cook, and I can tell you it's the mix of varied everyday ingredients that make people say, "Oh my God, that was so good." Occasionally someone tosses their cookies on my shoes, but I don't let that distract me.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:00 PM (feFL6)

143 One of the reasons that Thomas Friedman is Thomas Friedman is that he is always in character.

I kind of enjoy this stuff as it does tend to connect more.

Your taste in movies kinda sucks, though. But I mean that with no disrespect.

Posted by: MJ at November 20, 2012 07:00 PM (TR60b)

144 "131 >>>Ok, but do you understand why that might be? It's (in certain cases) because it hurts. Seeing everything you've ever believed in being burned to the ground fucking hurts. And the realization that, to a certain extent, you were pretty much the only true believer anyway hurts even more.

Sure, I'm just saying it's not every effective. It ghettoizes us-- we're the People Who Always Talk About One Thing, as far as they know.

Which is not how your typical Average Joe lives.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:57 PM (LCRYB) "

I think you're right.


Also, I enjoyed your Prometheus post (although I haven't seen, nor intend to see Prometheus), but never got around to reading all of it. I'll probably do that.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 07:00 PM (hhVWg)

145 Ace: I love visiting this site as much for the non-political stuff as the political stuff. So, keep doin' whatcha doin'!

Posted by: Mr_Write at November 20, 2012 07:00 PM (CLkAH)

146
I'm totally going to use that line at a party..."I am not interested in the topic you are discussing and I would strongly suggest you change it to better suit my current interests."
I joke. I don't get invited to parties.

Posted by: bleakdaze at November 20, 2012 07:00 PM (gfJPv)

147 Uh...so if we're female, we're going to be ignored.
And if we're well-behaved, and tend to agree with you...we're going to be ignored...and easilyforgotten.

Okay.
So the 'ettes have to be toxic rage-monsters, boiling bunnieswhile flipping you the finger, huh?
Good to know.

****

Notice how there are always cheerleader pics, but never, ever a pic of Tebow or Dalton?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:00 PM (piMMO)

148 I made it to James Bond earlier.

He's gay now.

Posted by: sTevo at November 20, 2012 07:01 PM (VMcEw)

149 This is a political blog?

By weight, I think it's a blog about movies.


****

No. It is a smart Military-blog.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:01 PM (piMMO)

150 >>>so much as the hectoring ones, the "I disapprove that you are writing about this subject"

Seems like Rush gets that every time he talks about Football, which he truly loves. Everyone suddenly becomes an expert on how the #1 talk radio host should spend his broadcast time.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 07:02 PM (0q2P7)

151 Great posts, thought given more time I'm sure you would have made it shorter.

One tiny quibble. The left does not dominate the culture through consuming. They dominate it through producing.

We need to produce more culture. Not just engage in it.

Posted by: Tommy V at November 20, 2012 07:02 PM (ZYlKz)

152 Good post, Ace. Never go the full political.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 07:02 PM (WOhYl)

153 144 MUMR,

not sucking up to ace his takedown of it is far more interesting than the film because it is a commentary on the cognitive dissonance of the internal narrative of the film as sci-fi but also comments on the human element of art.

Hollywood and in ways having nothing to do with moonbattery is losing art.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 07:02 PM (LRFds)

154 Notice how there are always cheerleader pics, but never, ever a pic of Tebow or Dalton?



There.


http://tinyurl.com/axzqeer

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 07:02 PM (GEICT)

155 "151 Great posts, thought given more time I'm sure you would have made it shorter.

One tiny quibble. The left does not dominate the culture through consuming. They dominate it through producing.

We need to produce more culture. Not just engage in it.

Posted by: Tommy V at November 20, 2012 07:02 PM (ZYlKz) "

I think he covered that.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 07:03 PM (hhVWg)

156 Ace, will you ever seriously address the rampant vote fraud issue?

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 07:03 PM (I2LwF)

157 Pics of Tebow or Dalton would be ghey

Posted by: DAve at November 20, 2012 07:04 PM (XDC0v)

158 123:

How dare you?

Nancy boy Krugman picture...
Nancy boy Krugman picture....
Nancy boy Krugman picture...
Nancy boy Krugman picture....

You want to fight the culture wars head on, MOCKERY is the first tool. Look at the speech on SNL given by Lovitz (playing Dukakis after the election)

He essentially came out and said right there that liberals were fucking idiots and who is buying this shit.

That is the power of Reagan. Imagine being a dem and fucked out of the WH for 12 years!!!

We need to learn mockery. Show this picture of Krugman over and over and over again and say this is the liberal leftist economic brain behind obama.
NO WONDER WE ARE FUCKED and the economy sucks.....

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:04 PM (tVTLU)

159 Person of Stupid-- thanks for reminding me of that one!

I like that one. I forgot all about that.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 07:04 PM (LCRYB)

160 I hadn't noticed that the 'rons ignore females here, wheatie. No more than they ignore males they don't know very well.



Honestly if the 'rons were seeking out females to fawn all over, i'd
see them as creepy losers. Better to be treated like everyone else IMO


****

I could be mistaken, but she might have been referencing Ace's joke, in the prior thread, about how if he knows a commenter is a woman he will know to ignore her.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:04 PM (piMMO)

161 I thought this was a military blog.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 07:04 PM (pSM8F)

162 Just to throw a bit of real world evidence on the fire, I was treated to my first condescension session for being a conservative a few weeks back.

I was asked why a young, hip, couple like my wife and I would put a Romney sign in our yard.

Leave out the fact that were dorks, and it took me awhile to realize that my neighbor had only thought about the election in pop culture terms, and that her voted cancelled mine out.

I get it now. The real world matters.

Posted by: MJ at November 20, 2012 07:04 PM (TR60b)

163 That's why let it burn is dumb, we live right here right now.

And it is weird, for those of us of a certain age, the basic assumptions of the current government and media are unrecognizeable. Then again, the cowardice of our own side since 1988 is fairly pathetic too.

At least we can laugh as rich pukes pour their money down shitty holes like all those anti-US anti-war films.

But the basic assumptions have changed. We have on one hand, Poppy McPopulist as president yet we've bailed the fuck out of everything and are giving tons of cash to business.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:04 PM (QxSug)

164 Pics of Tebow or Dalton would be ghey


*****

only to half the horde

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:05 PM (piMMO)

165 >>>I wasn't happy to find out Captain Mal Reynolds of Firefly was a big Obama guy. Didn't ruin my day or anything, but still. Minor bummer.

He's canadian and he's too fat. Seriously, he's only about 40 but looks like he is in his 50s because he's a fatty. His clothes look awful besides looking 10 years older than he really is.

I hope this makes you feel better.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 20, 2012 07:05 PM (MazXE)

166 Our moto should be "We're Republicans, we work hard, we party hard, and we like to get laid!".

The libs and wider culture always associate the Right with the aspects of it they don't like and exempt the Left from the same thing.

Case in point: Republicans are inbred idiots? Who did Honey Boo Boo's mom support? Yep, Obama. Think she passed up a promising career as a physicist?

The Obamapho' lady? Yeah, if she "believes in science" then I choose to not believe in anything resembling science.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2012 07:05 PM (T0NGe)

167
135I hadn't noticed that the 'rons ignore females here, wheatie. No more than they ignore males they don't know very well.

Not talking about the 'ron, boulder hobo.
Ace said earlier that it makes it easier for him to ignore the wimmins, if he can tell from their name that they are wimmins.
Or something like that.

Hey, I'm still pissed at you, boulder hobo...for not voting against Barky.
Romney wasn't my first choice either, didn't stop me from voting against the JEF.
But now, we get full blown Obamacare and tyranny out the wahzoo.
Thanks a lot.

Posted by: wheatie at November 20, 2012 07:05 PM (ICEh3)

168 Wow.

Wicket either REALLY loved or REALLY hated this movie.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 07:05 PM (TIIx5)

169 New political post up

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:05 PM (YdQQY)

170 "153 144 MUMR,

not sucking up to ace his takedown of it is far more interesting than the film because it is a commentary on the cognitive dissonance of the internal narrative of the film as sci-fi but also comments on the human element of art.

Hollywood and in ways having nothing to do with moonbattery is losing art.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 07:02 PM (LRFds) "

I agree. I'm rather interested in deconstructionism as deconstructionism. (Although sometimes there are time limitations, and I don't get back to things for whatever reason.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 07:05 PM (hhVWg)

171 156 Truman North,

Short of our grabbing brickbats TN why bother?

I sent every wheel needed to attack it in Ohio my vote and donation and they did what precisely?

Not a damn thing.

We're stuck in a prisoner's dilemma with the GOP.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (LRFds)

172 My social life is pretty dead right now, so I often spend all my time online reading about politics. I enjoy it, and there's still a lot I need to learn about subjects like economics, but I get burnt out easily. I've been in the dumps since the election, but I carry on by ignoring the coming collapse.

I really enjoyed the non-political threads Ace posted after the election. I like reading about how the rest of the Horde is doing and what their thoughts are on things other than politics.

Of course, I need to spend less time online, but I enjoy visiting the HQ.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (8LCi0)

173 yeah I'm talking about producing it, not just critiquing it.

Whenever asks me for advice about a blog or a media venture I always say the same thing: "Start a weekend section which reviews movies, books, art, and TV and reviews them for their artisitic/entertainment value, not how well they propagate conservative values."

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (LCRYB)

174 You know what was actually a pretty conservative show? My Name Is Earl. There's a ton of reasons why including that Earl is presented as being a sleazeball because he's a sleazeball. When his parents were introduced, I expected some kind of oh see he came from a family of cons. Turns out his parents are decent lower middle class people. His dad runs his own business and his mom's a good person. Earl is sleazy because of who he is, not because of how he was raised. The entire set up of karma is a great point about actions and consequences and how what you do winds up having effects you can't anticipate on others.


There's also the fact that it's about the actual underclass. It's a show about people who live in trailer parks and make money by scheming. Getting a job and becoming responsible are considered something to strive towards.


Plus, you know, Burt Reynolds as a strip club owner is always awesome.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (Gk3SS)

175 I've been arguing for awhile that we need to become the cool kids. And by that, we ditch the uptight, moral scold label (but not the values) and start emphasizing freedom, liberty, and non-conformity.

We paint the other guy as "the man." And if you think about it, they actually are. They control everything--the media, the schools, the government. All this is THEIR bullshit. We're the rebels.

And you emphasize what a bunch of busy-body, always-telling-you-what-to-think-and-do hypocritical fascists that they are.

You want some teacher rooting through your kid's school lunch for nutritional approval? Those guys over there are your party.

Know a white guy that got fucked on a promotion to some loudmouthed, race card playing minority? Emphasize to him that it's the other party that encourages that nonsense.

Can't smoke in your favorite bar anymore? Oh, that's the left, too.

Dealing with endless bureaucratic bullshit trying to get the addition to your house approve. Yup. Those guys. We're live and let live, baby. Streamlined government.

There are so many ways to come at this stuff differently than we do. The left is nothing more than a coalition of interest groups. We need to set them against one another.


Posted by: Warden at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (HzhBE)

176 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:05 PM (piMMO)




See? I give the Ettes what they want and don't get so much as a thank you.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (GEICT)

177 I sometimes prefer the non-political stuff. The movie reviews are great. I love talking about movies with people and this provides a great platform to do so.


Posted by: Ben at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (xTHBC)

178 Im not so sure that the subversive/march through institutions stuff would work for us, ace. Im not even sure if it works for the left. The left mistakes decadence for progress, ultimatelybecause ofitspathological unwillingness to deal in unscientific value judgements. But this progress/decadence doesnt depend on the left and their activities. Things decay and things end and that is nowhere is true as in the field of societies, nationsand countries. The left might sometimes successfully speed things up a little, but in the end they just ridea wavewhich is almost a law of nature.

But we have a completely different agenda. Conservatives conserve or at leastmaintain. You cant do that subversively because you relyon customs, morality and tradition to guarantee that your work will be continued after you're gone.But suchthings are never the result of decay, sabotage or destruction which can indeed be achieved by subversive means.

We are fundamentally different from the left, which is why we cannot really learn from them.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (QYV+7)

179 I agree moar Dalton pics: http://tinyurl.com/acet4dr

Posted by: DAve at November 20, 2012 07:07 PM (XDC0v)

180 O/T, but I watched NBC Nightly News tonight and saw commercials for the following:

-Ameriprise Financial
-BP
-Ensure (nutrition shakes)
-United Airlines
-One-a-Day vitamins
-Celebrex
-CashCall.com
-Cabela's
-American Express
-E-Trade

Do with that information what you will.

Posted by: The Lost Dutchman at November 20, 2012 07:07 PM (9F2c1)

181 interesting read.

although I have to admit I have never experienced as much as people in your face with their politics as i have since Obama's ascension to the throne.

anyone else?

everyone progressive Must say how awesome THEY are for liking Obama.

You could be standing waiting t the deli for the pastrami you ordered and somehow they want to talk about hw cool it and they re for being Obama fans.

sorry this is creepy.
try to go buy a political mug with gop on it at a convenience store?
for g-ds sake an argument in freakin 7 -11

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 07:07 PM (hX8cq)

182 This is a seriously awesome post, ace. One of your best. You are, without a doubt, one of conservatism's best thinkers.

What Warden said.


*blushes*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2012 07:08 PM (QKKT0)

183 There.





http://tinyurl.com/axzqeer

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 07:02 PM (GEICT)

****

ThAnk You!

This is my favorite.

http://thehostages.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/tebow.jpg

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:08 PM (piMMO)

184 170 MUMR,

Yup it is what Red Letter Media has mastered as serious critique.

Part of why I loved Unforgiven was the serious deconstruction and then reconstruction of the western myth.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 07:08 PM (LRFds)

185 165:

You are shitting me. That has fucked up my whole night. Joss Wheedon is bad enough but Mal as well???

The problem with these fools is that they do not realize that the Evil Empire or the Alliance is THE FUCKING LIBERAL FASCISTS.

Same thing with V for Vendetta. The graphic novel (comic books for nerds that show boobs and shit) was really warning about Margaret Thatcher's conservative party. Please, the real danger to freedom is the nanny fucking state that wants to regulate everything from my big gulp to my reading my fucking private emails...

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:09 PM (tVTLU)

186 you know how t was with my families dinner parties growing up

people didn'tspeak of politics it was crude.

i think it still is.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 07:09 PM (hX8cq)

187 @171: go around your GOP organization. Build a PAC structure and fund the real conservatives, and learn how to work your ass off for them.

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 07:10 PM (I2LwF)

188 Yes, please! Write about what interests you. Your writing voice is unique and entertaining no matter what you're writing about. And a person's ideals/politics creep into just about everything, anyway. But please don't stop tweeting. I read both and because you have to be more concise on Twitter, sometimes you're even funnier there. Besides, I'm pretty sure having a Twitter presence ends up directing new readers to your blog.

At the risk of sounding full fangirl, I've said it before, but thank you for all the writing you do. I think it matters.

Posted by: uncommentari at November 20, 2012 07:10 PM (2+Sc2)

189


See? I give the Ettes what they want and don't get so much as a thank you.


****

Dang, dude!

Impatient much?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:10 PM (piMMO)

190 Whenever asks me for advice about a blog or a media venture I always say
the same thing: "Start a weekend section which reviews movies, books,
art, and TV and reviews them for their artisitic/entertainment value,
not how well they propagate conservative values."

=====

Yes, yes, yes. I've long advocated that we need to replace the liberal culture not with a conservative one but a culture that is largely apolitical. Too many on the Right want to replace preachy left-wing films with preachy right-wing films.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 20, 2012 07:11 PM (8LCi0)

191 166:

Absolutely, obamaphone lady needs to become the posterchild of the demorat party.

There we go, nancy boy Krugman picture and Obamaphone lady!!!!!!!

Run them again and again and again and again. Speak the truth!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:11 PM (tVTLU)

192 I hunt and fish and shoot guns and camp. Sometimes I even do charity work.

I still don't think I have anything in common with the lefties.

Posted by: Hand Solo at November 20, 2012 07:11 PM (vu3g7)

193 Does this mean I should move to California to discover the downside of weed?

Posted by: sTevo at November 20, 2012 07:11 PM (VMcEw)

194 Yeah, Earl was one of the good shows.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 20, 2012 07:11 PM (LDbIH)

195 See? I give the Ettes what they want and don't get so much as a thank you.


****

Dang, dude!

Impatient much?!


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:10 PM (piMMO)

someone gave us something ?

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 07:12 PM (hX8cq)

196 Maybe I should post like this for awhile

Posted by: boulder barrel hobo at November 20, 2012 07:12 PM (m2Yvn)

197 **156 Ace, will you ever seriously address the rampant vote fraud issue?
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 07:03 PM (I2LwF)**

no. we're crazy. There's nothing to see here. Voter ID is evil.

Seriously, no mainstream or even semi-mainstream person is touching this. Go to punditpress if you want to follow this stuff.

Allen West's unsuccessful recount showed how insane the vote apparatus was in Florida, but he couldn't prove enough. But what can you do, if the worst president since Carter couldn't be punished either in getting voted out or losing some Senate seats, then ... sigh.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:12 PM (QxSug)

198 So, I take it this means my weekend Guns and Hunting thread idea is greenlighted? Sweet!

Posted by: Andy at November 20, 2012 07:13 PM (OZPoa)

199 For example, I wouldn't be a movie reviewer if my
reviews for RomComs consisted of the sentence: "I do not like romantic
comedies."





Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM

Thanks to your romantic comedy reviews, we now know who The London Boys are

Not that we care, but we at least know

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 07:13 PM (wwsoB)

200 You want to fight the culture wars head on, MOCKERY is the first tool. Look at the speech on SNL given by Lovitz (playing Dukakis after the election)

That has been the problem these last 4 years.

Obama will not be mocked.

Now there's the famous observation that comedians won't mock Obama, but even we won't.

It's, in part, because he's black but that he parlays it so well and because he's so vindictive against people who do mock him.

And he and his coterie play the race card EVERY SINGLE TIME and it works. Look at Susan Rice. To oppose her is racist and sexist even considering that the last SoS that was a white male was William Christopher.

It's crazy, but it still works. And as long as black=Democrat, that stranglehold will continue.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2012 07:13 PM (T0NGe)

201
"That's why let it burn is dumb, we live right here right now."


Let it burn isn't dumb, it's yesterday and worn out. My tag below will bring you to "we live right here right now".

Posted by: Meremortal, It's Burning Out Of Control, Run! at November 20, 2012 07:13 PM (1Y+hH)

202 oh hell we'd then be voter fraudither

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 07:14 PM (hX8cq)

203 Notice how there are always cheerleader pics, but never, ever a pic of Tebow or Dalton?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 07:00 PM (piMMO)


That right there is the gospel truth.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 20, 2012 07:14 PM (2rMmy)

204

hai guyz

whats goin on in this thrad?

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:14 PM (kvcfI)

205 197:

How difficult is this, especially in a state like Penn. with no early voting. Have poll watchers check off every person that checks in on a registered voter list.

Let's see if they really are getting 99% turnout. I mean, for fuck's sake.

UN observers were appalled at our lax voting standards, and equally appalled that you can vote without an ID.

But, as you know, planes and banks also are RACIST.....

Fucking unbelievable. Anyone says voter suppression regarding requiring photo id I just ignore the rest of the bullshit that comes out of their mouth. Who doesn't have a fucking Photo ID??

As long as state provides it free of charge and it's easy to get in a SOS office, what is the fucking problem????????

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:15 PM (tVTLU)

206 138 This is a political blog?


Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 20, 2012 06:58 PM (OjQYm)

Isn't it a Smart Military Blog?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2012 07:15 PM (lZBBB)

207 Which is not how your typical Average Joe lives.





Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:57 PM

I always assumed that Average Joe lives under a bridge

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 07:15 PM (wwsoB)

208 With the new Red Dawn coming out, it's apparent that the political PC BS runamok is killing art.

You, sir, have apparently not seen Taken, which was a masterpiece of non-PC, unapologetic killing of men who worship a certain vagina-shaped silver doodad that holds a holy meteorite and is housed in a giant black cube in the middle of the desert.

And the CIA were the good guys, all the way through. Unabashedly.

You know how they got away with it? By keeping it subtle. They didn't hit us over the head with cheese and smarm. They also didn't load the thing up with moral equivalence or soul searching on the part of the good guys.

The bad guys were bad and had to be killed. And the hero, Liam Neeson, pulls one of the most incredibly shocking stunts I've ever seen on film, in the house of his French friend. I still can't believe they put in that scene, and yet despite its utter ruthlessness it didn't make Neeson less heroic. You admired him for it. You admired him for going to any lengths to save his daughter.

Art still exists. You just have to seek it out.

Posted by: Llarry at November 20, 2012 07:15 PM (jyUxu)

209 "178 Im not so sure that the subversive/march through institutions stuff would work for us, ace. Im not even sure if it works for the left. The left mistakes decadence for progress, ultimatelybecause ofitspathological unwillingness to deal in unscientific value judgements. But this progress/decadence doesnt depend on the left and their activities. Things decay and things end and that is nowhere is true as in the field of societies, nationsand countries. The left might sometimes successfully speed things up a little, but in the end they just ridea wavewhich is almost a law of nature.

But we have a completely different agenda. Conservatives conserve or at leastmaintain. You cant do that subversively because you relyon customs, morality and tradition to guarantee that your work will be continued after you're gone.But suchthings are never the result of decay, sabotage or destruction which can indeed be achieved by subversive means.

We are fundamentally different from the left, which is why we cannot really learn from them.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (QYV+7) "

What? Leftists deal in nothing but unscientific value judgments. And they don't mistake "decadence for progress." They are intentionally trying to destroy that which they perceive as "evil."


And frankly, we, as a collective, are not all that different from Leftists. Some of us believe in instincts and emotions, as do Leftists. And some of us believe in ideas, as do Leftists. Just different ideas.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 07:15 PM (hhVWg)

210 as for non political stuff, I think my first time viewing this site was because of an underwater video of a crab getting sucked into a pipe. And I'm all like, hey, this guy gets it.

As for ObamaphoneLady voters, you know, hear me now:

Our alleged racism is baked in the cake. George HW Bush won because of Willy Horton, dontcha know.

May as well run with it (not actual racism, of course) but mocking the constant race card. Remember, even in very early 90's the Simpsons made fun of democrats. Now? Not so much.

Create talking points and wedges. Getting the culture back? That's one way. If we offer no counter points, no lessons, no bad guys on the other side (instead only self-immolating) then we miss out.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:15 PM (QxSug)

211 Btw morans,

Sad news about Allen West. One of my favorite Congressmen.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:16 PM (tVTLU)

212 @208, duly noted.

Let me clarify, I mentioned torture porn, something I am not into. I am -however- into revenge porn, and that genre, TAKEN and man on fire, don't give fucks either.

so, true dat.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:17 PM (QxSug)

213 Ace,

That, and "Vote 5 Bizarro!"

"It's so easy, it's impossible!"

I was crying.

Posted by: Bob at November 20, 2012 07:17 PM (1efte)

214 Sad news about Allen West. One of my favorite Congressmen.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:16 PM (tVTLU)

what ?
Did he not win enough votes?

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 07:18 PM (hX8cq)

215 Who was the commenter last year who trashed us for talking about Dennis Hopper, when we should be focused 100 percent on fighting the war against the left at all times?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 07:18 PM (wwsoB)

216 I take much pleasure when leftist produce screeds intended to blast conservatism, but actually praise it unintentionally. The Watchmen is a prime example. That book/film is intended to denigrate conservatism/Reagan through the character of rorschach but actually makes him the hero. I don't think anyone involved in the book or film understands this.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 07:18 PM (pLTLS)

217 For example, I wouldn't be a movie reviewer if my

reviews for RomComs consisted of the sentence: "I do not like romantic

comedies."


The best romantic comedy ever made is Simply Irresistible, with Sarah Michelle Gellar. Another great piece of art that has to be seen multiple times to appreciate the multiple levels on which it works.

Grown men will weep watching it.

Posted by: Llarry at November 20, 2012 07:19 PM (jyUxu)

218 I remember a few times when we'd be on a roll with a totally non-political thread, and a troll would come in and spoil the party with either polls or politics

Except for Star Wars threads. Trolls seem to think it's blasphemy to change the subject away from Luke Skywalker

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 07:21 PM (wwsoB)

219 200 and 210:

Exactly!! This ain't Jim Crow anymore. The race card is pretty much played out.

I mean how many fucking decades do we have to hear about disenfranchisement blah blah blah blah.

Obama is a shitty president because of who he is. Plain and simple. I mean I envision running commercials where the video just plays in a ghetto for 30 seconds on a Friday night, and then follow with a statement that this neighborhood voted for democrats by 99%.

FUCK THEM. Get down in the muck. Their same old excuses ring hollow because they were worthless in the first place.

Why are we constantly apologizing for the truth. Show obamaphone lady over and over and over. Anytime you get in an economic argument with a lib, send them a picture of Paul Krugman rubbing his pussy with his jelly rolled sweater.

For fuck's sake, if we do not form the basis of this mocking army, who in the fuck will????????

Laugh at liberals all the time, it is that hilarious. Laugh at obama's tax hikes, they won't do shit.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:21 PM (tVTLU)

220 great post Ace.

Remember, the MSM is insidious. Listen to Rush and hear Ann Compton et al q30 minutes. Listen to FM radio hear the MSM news slants q1h.
watch a random movie or TV show and see gratuitous criticisms of conservatives or just republicans.
watch a movie about an abused wife in Michigan who sets her husband on fire, and all the sudden he and all his friends speak with Southern Accents.
watch any TV show and find the religious characters mocked as racist , sexist , homophobes etc

Posted by: Avi at November 20, 2012 07:21 PM (40anC)

221 The GOP's major hurdle in becoming a "cool" party is religion. For most of us, the core of our moral worldview comes from Christianity, and many people, especially the young, interpret this as meaning we advocate theocracy. A few select Republicans may, but on the large we are a party that advocates an immense amount of personal liberty.

But it's hard to be cool when your basic worldview includes beliefs like abstaining from pre-marital sex and not aborting your fetus when it's inconvenient.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 20, 2012 07:21 PM (8LCi0)

222 Yep "My Name is Earl" is a pretty funny show. I like how it doesn't sugar-coat the trailer park lowlifes but treats them as the amusing semi-lovable lowlifes they are. Brett Butler as Joy's mom was great too.

Don't judge me!

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 20, 2012 07:21 PM (pAlYe)

223 I've never thought of this as an exclusively political blog. Says the guy who does cheerleader posts.

I need a little fun. I can't keep my amps at eleven, all the time.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 20, 2012 07:21 PM (pUqSw)

224 216 I take much pleasure when leftist produce screeds intended to blast conservatism, but actually praise it unintentionally. The Watchmen is a prime example. That book/film is intended to denigrate conservatism/Reagan through the character of rorschach but actually makes him the hero. I don't think anyone involved in the book or film understands this.
Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 07:18 PM (pLTLS)***

true dat yo.

I like pointing out that the left creates right-wing dystopias (handmaiden's tale) but the real world dystopias on earth are lefty fairy tales.

you can't make a lefty hero and be entertaining. Well, you couldn't until Greengrass figured out how to make Bourne movies into an anti-america statement while being (boring as hell) successful.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:22 PM (QxSug)

225 >>>Too many on the Right want to replace preachy left-wing films with preachy right-wing films.

right. I have no interest, myself. By the way, there is very little interesting art that's firstly about politics. All interesting art is about humanity. Politics itself is crude and reductive.

Liberals just associate liberal politics with their movie/book heroes, but the story is really about the human journey, not the political one.

There are exceptions, but it's still true that if you want to send a message, call Western Union.

Of course, smuggling in a message works. Smuggle it in 40 times a day in every single medium and now you're cooking with gas.


Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 07:22 PM (LCRYB)

226
This is probably the most spot-on post of the year.

The "conservative media," as it stands, is doomed to failure, because, as it stands, it is explicitly an alternative -- thus conceding the liberal media is the dominant one -- and is parasitic on the liberal media. While there are right-media ventures doing original work, by and large we're a Shadow Media, rebutting and critiquing the liberal media.

Most of your aunts and uncles who vote Dem don't do so because of direct liberal messages. Most of the stereotypes they've learned about the GOP and the Right didn't come from overt political sources (like all of our critiques of the Left) but rather indirect routes, like humor and nonpolitical writings.

Time to go mainstream. First rule: just ditch the "conservative" label. No more "Best Conservative Web Site" and stuff. The Left doesn't self-label to such a degree. Our ideas aren't "conservative" they're just "rational" and "right."



Posted by: CJ at November 20, 2012 07:22 PM (9G+G5)

227 Crap. I just heard about Agenda 21 and now Soylent Green makes sense.

Posted by: harleycowb at November 20, 2012 07:23 PM (wSTfB)

228 214:

Not exactly sure how or why it ended, but my guess is that they had pretty much done the full recount, even though it didn't meet the deadline, and it showed that he was not going to be able to overcome the 1,900 vote lead that murphy had on him.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:24 PM (tVTLU)

229 226:

Agreed 100%.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 20, 2012 07:24 PM (tVTLU)

230

how old is Pluto?

the dog, not the planet

oh, and how old is Pluto the planet?
Same as Earth, give or take a billion 'scientific' years?

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:25 PM (052zE)

231 My God, what would happen if a new thread were to be used where there was already a thread?

Posted by: Dr Leonard McCoy at November 20, 2012 07:25 PM (wwsoB)

232 **Why are we constantly apologizing for the truth. Show obamaphone lady over and over and over. Anytime you get in an economic argument with a lib, send them a picture of Paul Krugman rubbing his pussy with his jelly rolled sweater. **

Look, the political and racial divide is not as set as we think.

I think the few remaining white voters who vote DNC (was it 24% of us?) vote because they think we GOP types are a bunch of hicky hicks while they are the beautiful people. Fight back, they aren't voting like Lena Dunham or the cast from Sex and the City, they're as intellectually honest as ObamaPhoneLady.

No, you aren't the party of beautiful, intelligent white wealthy socialites with great sex lives.

You are the party of inner city voter fraud urban voters.

You envision us as a bunch of hicks but you need to look at where your votes come from.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:26 PM (QxSug)

233 We don't do subversive things because we think subversiveness is dishonest. We don't lie to our employers and lead a double life so we can sneak an agenda in.

And we also don't confront as much as we should because we think it's rude and wasteful and created bad blood.

I think changing the latter is easier but it will suck either way.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 20, 2012 07:26 PM (bxiXv)

234 But none of us own a movie studio. Dammit.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:28 PM (QxSug)

235 ou know what was actually a pretty conservative show? My Name Is Earl. T

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You know what always struck me as pretty stealthily conservative (so much so that the creator and subject didn't quite get it)? Everybody Hates Chris. The intact black family, the dad with two or three jobs who can tell you exactly how much electricity you're wasting by standing there with the fridge open, the white liberal teacher with her condescending bigotry, the parents who work like hell to make sure that their son gets to school of their choosing...and on top of all that, the knowledge that these parents, who stayed married and worked hard and had the decency to be ashamed when they did take foodstamps, ended up being parents to one of the most successful people in the country in real life.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 07:28 PM (2KBjW)

236
The GOP's major hurdle in becoming a "cool" party is religion. For most of us, the core of our moral worldview comes from Christianity, and many people, especially the young, interpret this as meaning we advocate theocracy.

There is not one aspect of a Christian moral worldview that can't be successfuly promoted without mention of Christianity or religion. That's what makes it so strong.

Unless it's just me, but I have a secular argument for every Christian stance I take.

Posted by: CJ at November 20, 2012 07:30 PM (9G+G5)

237

in movies the lefty hero is a hero by being self righteous and exposing the evils of others

the righty hero in movies does what?

usually s/he is a hero because s/he is willing to make an ultimate sacrifice

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:30 PM (Ba6aP)

238 Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 07:28 PM (2KBjW)


The policies Chris Rock advocates will ensure that there can never be another Chris Rock.

Then again, I'm not sure he's all too fussed about that.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2012 07:31 PM (T0NGe)

239 Ace, I agree completely. I think you should post more non-political stuff about strippers and with pictures, too.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:32 PM (PKCB1)

240 **in movies the lefty hero is a hero by being self righteous and exposing the evils of others **

Right, like in the Ultimate Bouring trilogy, he's anti-US because the us is trying to keel heem. Not because of anything else. just a contrivance.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:33 PM (QxSug)

241 Ace,
your post is a true calling for Greg Gutfeld to go prime time

Posted by: Avi at November 20, 2012 07:33 PM (40anC)

242 Hell, I love this place cause I got waved off that shitty movie Prometheus and got pointed to the script of "the movie that might have been"

My time is valuable, yo.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 20, 2012 07:34 PM (pUqSw)

243 I have a ton of ideas about this, but Ace's post is a great start.

One thing we need is MORE PHOTOSHOPS. We need more sites like FARK where there are random stupid article links and photoshop contests, but all of them subtly get across the message that a) liberals are busybodies who want to run your life; b) most democrats are hideous creatures - whatever happened to the sites that always post pics of hot conservative women next to the liberal dogs like Susan Estrich, and c) Barack Obama is a SCOAMF.

Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 07:34 PM (qe2/V)

244 Thank god I only read the comments.

Posted by: Breitbart at November 20, 2012 07:34 PM (eHIJJ)

245 I skimmed through the comments and don't think I saw this mentioned: isn't Ace's point here really the one that Andrew Breitbart was making before he passed?

And how can you not agree, given the results of the last election?

Posted by: Fred at November 20, 2012 07:34 PM (xWGQr)

246 I haven't been this distressed since the American Broadcasting Company discontinued Hammerman.

Those Magic Shoes were fly, y'all.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2012 07:35 PM (mqdAz)

247 We need more people like Gutfeld.

The Left really began taking hold of the nation in 1960s with the hippie counter-culture. Now that liberalism is becoming the majority ideology and worldview, conservatism would be served well by becoming something similar.

Let's face it, we're the cool kids now.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 20, 2012 07:36 PM (8LCi0)

248 C'mon everybody...it starts with parents who don't want to be or don't know how to be parents and therefore surrender their kids to the far left unions that run the public skools.

Liberal, government doctrine is the public school version of yesterday's Baltimore Catechism.

We're fucked until we regain a foothold in the skools.

Meanwhile, any good pictures of any strippers?

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:40 PM (PKCB1)

249 that always post pics of hot conservative women next to the liberal dogs like Susan Estrich, and c) Barack Obama is a SCOAMF.
Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 07:34 PM (qe2/V)

hey dont knock Estrich. As libs go she is no DWS. she can be reasonable and is less apparatchik than most

Posted by: Avi at November 20, 2012 07:41 PM (40anC)

250 I believe Gutfeld attended a private or parochial school in his formative years, assuming he has passed through his "formative" years...

No accident there.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:41 PM (PKCB1)

251 is there anyone here still talking about this. I arrived late and this subject interests me greatly. Everyone's at the new thread, right?

Posted by: L, who has one of those suspicious androgynous names that will make certain she is ignored by Ace at November 20, 2012 07:43 PM (0PiQ4)

252 By "everyone", do you mean moi? I'm here!

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:43 PM (PKCB1)

253 >>>: isn't Ace's point here really the one that Andrew Breitbart was making before he passed?

sure was.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 07:43 PM (LCRYB)

254 Speaking of voter fraud, how have I not heard of this case before?

http://scoamf.us/3V

So for 30 years the GOP has been under a court ruling to basically not contest voter fraud? Am I reading this stuff right?

Posted by: Lemmenkainen at November 20, 2012 07:45 PM (K1JW0)

255 L, I'm still here, debating about whether I want to rehash the whole discussion about whether parents who use public school "just don't want to be parents".

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 07:45 PM (2KBjW)

256 My gut feeling is that this post was the follow-up to the "I need to drink more" one.

Posted by: Davidlind at November 20, 2012 07:45 PM (J9mCu)

257 One of the best times I had here was posting links to shitty 80s music videos back and forth with some Morons.

Goddamn, can't some people just relax once in a while?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2012 07:46 PM (l+kmq)

258
Look, the political and racial divide is not as set as we think.

Speaking of "non-political" and race relations...Let's talk about race.

Specifically, the default storyline where the non-liberal side is always, always on the defensive. Always in need of a teaching moment. The Right is on the right side of race. Say it again: We are right on race relations. We represent the better nature of man, the one that still strives for a colorblind society - the one that was the goal of American life until the 70s/80s when it was apparently changed in a secret vote.

Hard for some to believe, but the Right is the last place you'll find people who understand what "judge a man by the content of his character not the color of his skin" means.

We need to grow balls and rewrite the Rules on Race, namely, *1. Any false accusation of racism counts as racism.*

Remember the members of the Black Congressional Caucus saying they were spit upon and targeted with the N word during the health care debate, and they couldn't prove it, and they didn't take up Brietbart's $100,000 challenge, and no one produced any evidence?

It either happened, or they lied a horrible lie. The price for that lie? Nothing. Zip.


Posted by: CJ at November 20, 2012 07:46 PM (9G+G5)

259 Btw, the names thing works the other way too. some of the commenters here that I presume to be male sometimes post stuff that leaves me confused. when accusations among the guys fly of being gay, my confusion is compounded.

Posted by: L, who has one of those suspicious androgynous names that will make certain she is ignored by Ace at November 20, 2012 07:47 PM (0PiQ4)

260 #248 I have kids in public schools who turned out fine. My daughter is getting pulled more by her friends than her teachers. I have to talk to her a lot to set her straight. Many parents either don't care themselves or are too busy with their own lives to teach their kids to think for themselves about social and political issues.

Every college and high school kid I know that is truly subversive is conservative, (except for the legalizing pot stuff). High school kids are pissed off beyond words at the Michelle Obama all-you-get-is-a-couple-carrot-sticks school lunches. Most of them think the Barackomania is a joke. We should be mocking this shit endlessly, putting up fake websites and Facebook pages and Tumblrs mocking the hell out of them.

Another random thought, the gift shop at the National Constitution Center in Philly sells t-shirts that show Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin crossing Abbey Road. We can do more stuff like that, getting the Founders into the pop culture. It's a start to get young people to think more about the people who funded this country and make them seem cool again.

Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 07:47 PM (qe2/V)

261 Jenny: the reasons the kids attend the publik skools isn't really important. You know what you're going to get and who for the most part will be massaging your kid's brain all day long. They are indoctrinated.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:48 PM (PKCB1)

262 242 Hell, I love this place cause I got waved off that shitty movie Prometheus and got pointed to the script of "the movie that might have been"
My time is valuable, yo.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 20, 2012 07:34 PM (pUqSw)


Yeah but unless you see the shitty movie you'll never fully understand ace's review. :-)

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 20, 2012 07:49 PM (pAlYe)

263 tl:dr

Posted by: Robert Spencer at November 20, 2012 07:50 PM (acCJb)

264 57 >>>Since when does anyone care if you do non-political posts?

Oh I get grief. It's only occasional, but like someone giving you the finger while you're driving, you remember that. You don't remember all the drivers who did NOT give you the finger, you know?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 06:41 PM (LCRYB)

So, we should flip you off more to be memorable?

Posted by: sdavis at November 20, 2012 07:50 PM (njVMI)

265 @245 just saw that the other day. It only applies to national GOP, apparently.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 07:50 PM (QxSug)

266 And I'm going to go there, after all.

The thing that gets conservatives every damn time is when we start out with a judgment where we don't need to. It's like ace said in the content no one read---nobody wants to tune in and find out how wrong they are---though I'd add that people want to tune and be told what a bad person they are even less. The fact that public schools can and do suck is not controversial, the leap that parents (usually mothers) who send their kids to them are lazy or stupid kind of is shitty. It turns people off from listening if you immediately discount individual circumstances and shitty situations in favor of "you're a crap parent".

That's not to say that we should be afraid of judging people, ever, but there's a difference between judging actions and judging people, and between judging people as individuals and judging groups.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 07:50 PM (2KBjW)

267 Can you imagine being poor and living in Chicago? Most the striking "teachers" I saw on tv wouldn't be able to find the Iberian peninsula on a map or spell cat if you spotted them the "C" and "T". But you've got to send your kids to be taught by those fat, socialist morons.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:52 PM (PKCB1)

268 I love to explain how firearms and shooting ranges work to liberals. Sometimes I even talk one into going on a shoot date with my fellow gun nuts.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at November 20, 2012 07:52 PM (O+LNZ)

269 Ace, its a confidence thing. After so long suffering under liberal media dominance, its natural for the young/adolescent conservative media to think of itself primarily as an "alternative" or in "opposition" to the liberal media.

As the conservative media matures and becomes more confident in itself, it should branch out into the popular culture. There's a big market out there for conservative-type media, and there is a market gap stemming from ideological factors in Hollywood and the legacy media. Fox news was the first step, but they'll be others.

Posted by: Revenant at November 20, 2012 07:55 PM (W7GH9)

270 But Jenny: I'm saying the reasons kids go to those skools are not important. Whatever the reasons, the kids are being taught, for the most part, by people who see themselves as a member of a union first and as teachers, second. And the democrat party puts the feed in the trough from which they all snort.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:55 PM (PKCB1)

271 Jenny: the reasons the kids attend the publik skools isn't really important. You know what you're going to get and who for the most part will be massaging your kid's brain all day long. They are indoctrinated.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:48 PM (PKCB1)

-------

Yes, it kind of is important why kids go to public school. Well, it is if you're interested in changing the fact that kids go to these schools, which involves engaging parents. Most of us went to public schools, and most of us know good people (conservatives, even) who went to and go to public school and turned out quite well. When you start out with the premise that public school parents just suck, you will be written off as a jackass.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 07:55 PM (2KBjW)

272 How do we overcome the dearth of creative people on our side? wealthy big money donors are uninterested in the culture. Free market ideas, charter schools, effective solutions motivate businessmen and they'll fund such endeavors. I just cancelled my newspaper subscript. I'd love to give my money to a conservative version of Rolling Stone with a more eclectic array of subject matter. How in reality do we make something like that happen?

Posted by: L, who has one of those suspicious androgynous names that will make certain she is ignored by Ace at November 20, 2012 07:57 PM (0PiQ4)

273 It's not the parents who suck, although many of them really do....but I'm not what you'd call a "people person". It's the system that sucks and commands that parents do not really have any choice where their kids go to school. And more now than ever, school rooms are presided over by little William Ayers's.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 07:58 PM (PKCB1)

274 When you say

C'mon everybody...it starts with parents who don't want to be or don't know how to be parents and therefore surrender their kids to the far left unions that run the public skools.

you are addressing the reasons why kids go to those schools, as you perceive them. The problem isn't "parents don't care who their kids learn from" even though you insinuate that, it's "parents usually have few practical alternatives to union-dominated public schools".

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 07:58 PM (2KBjW)

275 So for 30 years the GOP has been under a court ruling to basically not contest voter fraud? Am I reading this stuff right?

Posted by: Lemmenkainen at November 20, 2012 07:45 PM (K1JW0)


The biggest damage appears to be in a 1987 revision to that decision, I'm frustrated by the lack of a link to that yet and the "he said she said" nature of most of the talk.

It's like you try to get information but every ignorant jackass has to pop up with an opinion about it entirely without any real information and cloud the issue.

If it is what it seems it is, both accepting it and not fighting the 1987 revision does indeed make the RNC look dumber than a bag of hammers.

Oh, and by "fight" I don't mean "ask once to have it vacated and then sit back quietly and eat your gruel."

I am perpetually frustrated by how unutterably weak and feckless the RNC/GOP are on this issue. They keep saying "we'll prevent it next time instead of fighting it now," but they never do either.

Seriously, fucking felonies fucking tampering with the fucking election system. How is that so fucking unimportant? We should have every rat (of any party) we can dig up who did that in prison and regularly humiliated on TV for it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 20, 2012 07:59 PM (bxiXv)

276 How do we overcome the dearth of creative people on our side? wealthy
big money donors are uninterested in the culture. Free market ideas,
charter schools, effective solutions motivate businessmen and they'll
fund such endeavors. I just cancelled my newspaper subscript. I'd love
to give my money to a conservative version of Rolling Stone with a more
eclectic array of subject matter. How in reality do we make something
like that happen?

=====

Convince the right people to give you start-up capital and then assemble a staff of conservatives who are both funny and stepped in the culture.

I refer back to Gutfeld. He's edited major magazines in the past. It'd be great to see him start a conservative counter-culture mag.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 20, 2012 08:00 PM (8LCi0)

277 That's not to say that we should be afraid of judging people, ever, but there's a difference between judging actions and judging people, and between judging people as individuals and judging groups.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 07:50 PM (2KBjW)


Clearly this is not a way to differentiate between parties. The left love nothing more than some personal demonization.

Fairness is a silly expectation, but it still drives people bonkers when they don't get it. Along the lines of your own argument, if you tell people they have to be scads better than the other guy to break even, they will hate the messenger.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 20, 2012 08:03 PM (bxiXv)

278 Jenny: I don't insinuate things, knowingly, at least...Do you know how difficult it is to find parents who have the time or desire or whatever you want to call it, who will insist that their kids do school work at night? My wife is Korean. The family in Korea, for the most part, DEMANDs that little Hyecha or little Soon do homework. The public schools are demanding because the parents make them demanding. And it's no accident that Korean kids place number 1 in math / algebra skills.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 08:04 PM (PKCB1)

279
Most of us went to public schools, and most of us know good people (conservatives, even) who went to and go to public school and turned out quite well. When you start out with the premise that public school parents just suck, you will be written off as a jackass.

Worse, you've been tricked into surrending control of public schools. Our schools. The ones we pay for. You think I'm going to just accept the notion that public schools are none of my business? Fuck that. Even if my kids didn't go there, they'd still have to share a world with all of the public school graduates. In the Battle of Ideas, you think I'm surrending THAT battleground? Fuck. That. Engage. They're our schools.

Posted by: CJ at November 20, 2012 08:07 PM (9G+G5)

280 Ace, I come here to this blog because I enjoy reading your writing. Whether it's political or cultural or silly stuff or whatever. As a reader, I don't have any demands I'd like to make.

Generally, if a topic doesn't interest me, I don't post. Except I do every now and then, just to kind of say "I'm still hanging around."

Great essay, by the way. I've been saying similar things for years, but not nearly as well.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 20, 2012 08:10 PM (i0App)

281 But while we're talking education on this here half-dead thread---

Education and entertainment are similar in that it's so tempting for conservatives, and Christians in particular, to set up their own parallel or shadow establishments, and I think that's a really, really easy way to go wrong. Bubbles suck. I HATE the neighborhood public school model, and want vouchers ASAP but I really would hate for my kids to go to a school where all the other parents agreed with me. I want them to see other points of view---at school, at their friends' houses, at the mall---and then come home and see how well conservatism works for us and work through different ideas while they're young. I went through a communist stage at 11-14 because of a really charismatic teacher and I think it was a much safer time to confront all that vs. the age at which a family friend hit her liberal stage (21, when she finally moved out of her parents' house and was allowed to engage in the culture without evangelical filters).

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 08:11 PM (2KBjW)

282 Reading this the RNC has to get court permission for any ballot security program, and give the DNC 20 days notice before obtaining consent from the court and describing all aspects of the program.

http://scoamf.us/3W

Sigh.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen at November 20, 2012 08:16 PM (K1JW0)

283 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 20, 2012 08:03 PM (bxiXv)

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I get that it's a hard balance. But really it's pretty conservative to expect that you do have to be better than the other guy to "win", isn't it? In this case, the thing we want to win is an argument, the thing we have to be better at is engaging people. You do that a certain way.

Really, re: schools the argument I find better than "crap parents send their kids to public school" is "you could do a much better job spending your money and choosing a school for your kid than any government drone could". It doesn't put parents on the defensive.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 08:18 PM (2KBjW)

284 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 20, 2012 08:03 PM (bxiXv)

And I may have misunderstood your post, anyway, sorry if I did...I think I need more caffeine.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 08:19 PM (2KBjW)

285
Plus, you know, Burt Reynolds as a strip club owner is always awesome.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 20, 2012 07:06 PM (Gk3SS)

Burt as Chubby was great, but Norm McDonald as Little Chubby was awesome. Anytime Norm does Burt=Win.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 20, 2012 08:24 PM (Zd/NW)

286 Jenny: I don't insinuate things, knowingly, at least...Do you know how difficult it is to find parents who have the time or desire or whatever you want to call it, who will insist that their kids do school work at night? My wife is Korean. The family in Korea, for the most part, DEMANDs that little Hyecha or little Soon do homework. The public schools are demanding because the parents make them demanding. And it's no accident that Korean kids place number 1 in math / algebra skills.
Posted by: MoeRon at November 20, 2012 08:04 PM (PKCB1)

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Hold on there, sparky. Parents demanding that kids do their homework is a separate issue from union indoctrination. As it happens, I know a ton of parents who make their kids do their homework. I'm one. I have four kids in public school currently, and all the parents I know, save two, are the same. Up til this school year, my older daughter (who has some developmental delays) went to a private school, and the ratio of crap-parents to not-crap-parents was about the same.

But parents requiring that kids do homework doesn't do anything about whether lefty teachers indoctrinate. And parents in the US don't have the ability to demand that public schools do much of anything, because we can't vote with our feet unless we can afford to pay twice or to have a stay-home parent homeschool (also not ideal for every kid).

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 08:27 PM (2KBjW)

287
"Why I Post Non-Political Stuff (And Why The Right Should Engage the Culture In Non-Explicitly Political Ways)"

Feature, not a bug.
That is why this blog remains my absolute favorite (no, really), and is one of only two political sites that remain on my daily "to check" list (the other is Daniel Greenfield's "Sultan Knish.")

This ain't no small thing. I've stopped hanging out regularly at Hot Air (can't deal with the trolls, nor the lack of any comment system upgrade in six years).

The quality of this blog's content and the quality of the comments (especially the sockpuppets) keeps me coming back. This place is my #1, and overall, it's not close.

Please change nothing.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 20, 2012 08:29 PM (3slIX)

288 Ace, agree 100%, especially your points about the relation between politics and culture, assumption vs. argument, the respective self-positioning of left and right in the culture, etc. Excellent post. And your prescriptions are right on.

We need more things like South Park out there. We need more rightwingers to stick it out in academia (not just in sciences and social sciences, but the humanities), to pursue their creative passions/ ambitions in Hollywood and the MSM, or as writers/ critics on culture (not just politics).

I know from personal experience this is very, very hard. Those spheres are presently constituted in such a way as to actively repel anyone with other-than-default-liberal political assumptions.

Speaking of Firefly, yes I know that is mostly Whedon's baby, but too many people overlook the influence of his collaborator Tim Minear in it (who also worked on Buffy and Angel). He's a good example of someone with, lets' say, heterodox political leanings (in his case I believe libertarian) who's fully engaged in pop culture as a creator. Who doesn't wear his politics on his sleeve or emblazoned on the cover of his work, but he sneaks his messages in there. (And he did, in Firefly.)

On the other hand, I recall Instapundit not long ago promoting the debut of a literary/ cultural magazine-- not about politics-- that would be host to (or at least hospitable to) writers with a rightwing bent.

Great idea, love it! But the magazine title was fucking terrible: "Liberty Island."

"Liberty Island," really? I mean, I get it, but could they maybe try to be a little less cornily tendentious and on the nose? They undermine the whole point of the magazine (a non-political, or at least not explicitly or primarily political, literary-cultural forum that would be hospitable to rightwing writers and thinkers) by having a title that wears its political agenda so unsubtly and earnestly on its sleeve like that.

Liberal literary magazines (i.e. plain old literary magazines) are called things like "McSweeney's," not "Social Justice Land," FFS.

Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 08:30 PM (bC/XM)

289 "We don't like the sight of tears."

Speak for yourself, bub.

Posted by: Hey at November 20, 2012 08:33 PM (Ys6PL)

290 I'm nerd enough to really look forward to these essays and movie reviews. :"> And it's great that Ace doesn't stay 100% political all the time.

Not that he needs to hear me say that - who am I? - but what the hey. Ace - if you ever stop posting your thoughts non-political topics, our lives will be lesser for it.

mac :]

Posted by: macbrooks at November 20, 2012 08:43 PM (pAZz7)

291 I'm VERY late to this (too busy during the day to post)...but anyway...

I tried blogging. I've pretty much given up on Twitter. This is the ONLY blog I read every day, precisely because it isn't all politics, all the time.

Don't change, Ace. Except for your underwear.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 20, 2012 08:46 PM (5J54Q)

292 I was out tonight, and late to this, but on the off chance Ace reads it...absolutely keep doing non-political posts. They don't all interest me greatly, but I always get something out of reading (or at least skimming) them. And even if I didn't, so what, someone else will, and I will get something out of the next one.

Besides, don't we all need a little balance? You don't need to defend that position to me.

Posted by: red sweater at November 20, 2012 08:58 PM (CUi62)

293 0Engaging back into the mainstream culture might have been an option a generation ago, no longer. Now they are so embedded they control it and THEY are political about everything. Try starting anything that isn't under the creative control of known loyal party regular folks these days. Remember when Right Network (ok, probably not the best idea but hang in for a sec) was trying to get off the ground? Couldn't get carriage on any cable system anywhere. Zero. So then they tried as on demand programming. Wouldn't have cost cable systems jack, any viewers at all would have been profit. Zero, total lockout. Remember how Mel Gibson had to pretty much rent the hall to get Passion of the Christ shown, even though it made a pantload of money? And so on. But every cable system offers Current TV.

So put together a crackerlackin' new movie production outfit, produce perfectly well rounded films with great acting, wonderful screenplays, top notch production. Get everything right, except the unspoken assumptions aren't progressive and you will simply be ignored. Nobody will see it. It will be direct to video release with no retail presence, perhaps Amazon will carry it but they won't promote it.

So you are talking a total rebuild of production, talent and distribution to make what are almost the same things Hollywierd is selling only subtly different. Which is why it doesn't happen and probably won't happen.

Yea an established actor or musician can 'come out' as a conservative or become one later in life and sometimes survive it. But you won't be allowed to become one unless you stay in the closet for a long time. They now infect everything from the large to the small with political assumptions large and small and THEY put party loyalty above merit because merit isn't a value in their world view.

Remember O'Sullivan's Law:
All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing.

It isn't just the media, it is everything. From TV networks to churches. And if some moneybags tries to build a new entity without taking that law into account it will quickly become another progressive mouthpiece. If we promote purely on merit and they promote on party loyalty, eventually we let one of them in. From that instant on their goal is to get the second one in, and so on until they gain control.

So we won't be allowed to play their reindeer games and playing with ourselves isn't proving all that productive. Options? Can The Internet solve it?

Posted by: John Morris at November 20, 2012 09:02 PM (sCRhB)

294 I agree with you. Unfortunately, those on the right refuse to adapt just as liberals refuse to be honest about the real world.

While it would be nice to have a moderate base, such a thing might defy human behavior. Instead, I just have to hope that, one day, when we evolve, and travel through space at the speed of thought, Liberals will be eaten by future space dinosaurs.

Keep hope alive.

Posted by: Hopey Changey at November 20, 2012 09:26 PM (2iwfy)

295 I know I'm late to the game here, but if anyone is still reading ...
I really like reading this blog - I read this, Instapundit, Drudge and RealClearPolitics every day. As a small introduction: I'm 30, a lawyer at one of those shitty big law firms, and a former dope smoker/prep school hippy with traditional conservative parents who rebeled for a bit but then woke up and realized the error of my ways. I worked on "the Hill" (couldn't figure out how to write that without sounding like a douchebag) fora few years before law school. I like to think about politics and (like everyone here I guess) I think I have something original to add to the conversation.
I think this is one of the most insighful posts I've read here. I love reading and writing about politics and I've read a bunch and written some (mostly kept to myself). The thing I like about politics is that the whole exercise is grounded in philosophy: every "political" thing you do, write, think or sayfinds itsultimatel roots in some philosophical plane about who people are and how people should interact with one another. That's the kind of shit I enjoy thinking about.
But "politics" in the way I just described is about 0.01% of what "politics" the way it happens in real-time is about. Politics in real time is about winning power, and winning power is about convincing a critical mass of people to agree with certain precepts, most often as those precepts come together in a man or woman running for office as a "policitican".
So my perspective is that you get the philosophical roots right and you find the polician who might manifest the products of those roots best and you vote for / support / try to convince others to vote for and support that politician.
But I run into a firewall with some people.
Some people I enjoy to disagree with, and I enjoy expounding on my ideas and hearing theirs, and I think that if they don't agree with me I can live with it. But some people don't disagree, they just don't care. They don't enjoy my expositions, and they don't enjoy "politics" in general. And most times they vote for a politician I would rather they not vote for.
Those are the people this post is about. That is where the "argument" is lost without a word spoken. The reason, as Ace expounds so cogently, is that that is where the"safe assumption" lies. The safe assumption is the thing you can say without knowing what you are talking about and feel confident that most of the people you are with will agree. I use the technique. If the conversation I am in turns to something I don't know much about, and I feel the need to speak, I'll say the safe assumption. It is an "assumption" because I am assuming something I don't know, and it is "safe" because I believe most people will agree with it. For (a simple) example: (bear with me I'm not too up to speed with pop culture): "I think Justin Bieber is a douche". I have no idea what Justin Bieber sings or does. But I know most people think he's a douche. So it's pretty safe to say that in mixed company.
For those admittedly sparsely put together reasons I think Ace is exactly right. You don't attack a "safe assumption" with a reasoned argument. I couldn't rebut someone who thinks Justine Bieber is a douche by citing statistics. You rebut a safe assumption with another safe assumption. And that is where readers of this blog and all like-minded people should see the battleground. It's easy to rely on safe assumptions, and not many people are hard critics when it comes to politics. The guy doing the "not impressed" pose is a safe assumption to be acceptable.
I enjoy deep thinking which is part of the reason I like reading this blog. But the political battle is not won in the deep end. It is won by people like Barack Obama and Joe Biden who rule the shallow end - the kinds of people who dunk on little kids at the pool to win the pool basketball game.
I don't know how to win in the shallow end, but at least we could venture over there and try. Little kids are scared of the deep end. You can't yell at them from over there and expect them to listen and care. Don't abandon it, just be comfortable in the shallows for a while and see what happens.
I've never posted a comment on any blog, so hope someone or anyone reads this and has some kind of cogent thought afterwards.

Posted by: Liam at November 20, 2012 09:32 PM (lDC8t)

296 "And not just because I'm being lazy and silly -- though I am that. But because there is a value to being lazy and silly sometimes. Sometimes, strangers on Google aren't looking for an Argument, but are instead looking for Lazy and Silly.
And who knows, maybe one in a thousand of those sticks around."

This is pretty much my justification for continuing to post on Facebook: I might, one day, even in a small way, reach ONE person who wouldn't otherwise have been swayed by our arguments.

This idea wasvindicated only a couple of weeks ago. One of my wife's friends who is moderate to liberal, mostly apolitical.....had absolutely no idea about the Benghazi incident.
And wouldn't have, if not for me.

Didn't change the election outcome, obviously, but I figure I can do my small part here....and if other like-minded people also do their parts (andI try to keep my postsas germaine to theobjective argumentas much as possible, without diving into vitriol and jackassery....I TRY to), then perhaps we can start our own long march.

I think this is a struggle that will not be won by our side for at least a generation, but we must start this now, for sure.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 20, 2012 09:36 PM (3slIX)

297 "I've never posted a comment on any blog, so hope someone or anyone reads this and has some kind of cogent thought afterwards.
Posted by: Liam at November 20, 2012 09:32 PM (lDC8t)" Will "that's an excellent comment" do here? :-)

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 20, 2012 09:38 PM (3slIX)

298 I think the deep end exists so that you can exercise power usefully. Otherwise you can win the Presidency, the Senate, Congress and have most Supreme Court Justices be appointees of your party - and still see political events moving in ways that are contrary to your interests.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 09:38 PM (Enbui)

299 Very astute post. Summed up the subject rather well. I like Mr. Spades' movie reviews anyways.

Posted by: otho at November 20, 2012 09:45 PM (yBF/9)

300 I suspect this thread is dead, but ace your post is 1000% correct. Truthfully, while Breitbart pretty well grasped this point, I am not sure the people running his sites now really get it. Ace -- keep it up, you are a lot of fun to read on any topic. You write as if you are conversing with us and thinking it through yourself.

Liam 295-- good comment.

Posted by: Nc at November 20, 2012 10:02 PM (LmX/s)

301 Rob Long is a good example of right-winger who works in mainstream pop culture. He wrote for Cheers as young man. And recently his new sitcom Sullivan & Son is doing well and just got picked up for a 2nd season.

And know what? He does a weekly podcast for the hated NPR. Where he talks about -- being a neurotic writer in Hollywood. Doesn't talk politics. Does do pledge drives for NPR during pledge season.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2012 10:11 PM (ZPrif)

302 Great essay, Ace! I am playing Motorhead to celebrate it

Posted by: Ivan Lenin at November 20, 2012 10:23 PM (wwxp/)

303 Oh!

Holy Crap!

Ace posts on other blogs!

No offense to my fellow Moronz but you guys are not the draw.

(She says after skipping past what looks to be 3/4 s of the post after jumping to the comments.)

Posted by: Deety at November 20, 2012 10:27 PM (QG3g9)

304 Agreed. On all of it. I came here via Cool Facts About Dick Cheney, which was political, yes, but more funny than political.

Posted by: BrokenNewsMike (the poster formerly known as INCITEmarsh) at November 20, 2012 10:32 PM (ZTLkH)

305 Thank you.

Posted by: Just another cat at November 20, 2012 10:40 PM (kOcWf)

306 Hate to be Ditto-Head, but yeah, agreed.

Posted by: JFirch at November 20, 2012 11:05 PM (YGhxy)

307 We need to get out ahead of the "next big cultural thing,". I think that next big thing is soccer. ESPN's internal polling all points to soccer's emergence, currently it is second only to the nfl in popularity of viewers 12-18, those guys are the important demographic 6 years from now.
If we get behind this sport, and there is a lot of Republican ideals about it (the patriotism of rooting for the national team, the ultimate free market of European leagues without salary caps or luxury taxes, the rooting for the little guy part of MLS), this could be our path into the young vote and the Hispanic vote.

Posted by: Rory at November 20, 2012 11:37 PM (Zewvt)

308 Very important post. I agree with almost everything written here. Great job, Ace.

Posted by: RJ at November 20, 2012 11:37 PM (5f8oG)

309 You aced it, Ace. One of your best posts.

I was thinking, too, of something Rush said yesterday, that an exit poll discovered that MOST of the voters actually thought the DEMOCRATS were in favor of lower taxes.

After I scraped myself off the floor, I realized this is actually a good sign: if they were voting for the High Taxes Gang, we'd really be screwed. But a tissue of lies can be torn with one knife.

Kinda like a woman who knows, deep down, that her man is a cheater, but has convinced herself that he's faithful -- until she sees another woman adjust his tie at a party in that oh so familiar way, and in a flash, she realizes the Whole Story: he's been screwing around all along. All from one telltale gesture.

Posted by: beverly at November 21, 2012 12:04 AM (Tgj/R)

310 Fwiw, I read 90% of the non political stuff, and enjoy it. And am also puzzled by the folks who pop in to something like the Prometheus thread to say something like, "I don't like scifi. "

And I also agree that taking back some of the non-political culture is crucial, it's too bad righties seem to suck at it so hard. Corrolla is a good starting point, though.

Posted by: francis at November 21, 2012 12:12 AM (rCMaG)

311 Ace et al:
I gotta tell you, I work in the media myself (entertainment industry), and I live a secret life as a conservative. However, I do express conservative ideas in terms of individuality and non-conformity (which I think is a natural fit; I get pissed when I read these phony psycho-analyses of conservatives as authoritarian because that's not my experience, and I even come from a military family). But I used to be a default liberal until I started to do some of the investigation you talked about, and Ace of Spades is one of the places I first felt comfortable because you and the Morons knew how to blend the political with the cultural. So, your idea works and I am the sick and twisted spawn that proves it. Thanks to all.

Posted by: Mike at November 21, 2012 12:31 AM (IShFQ)

312 It's not just the writer, the audience will tune out hearing the same topic over and over. I enjoy Baier's Foxnews show but every night now they talk about Israel, and say the same things they have said literally hundreds of millions of times. I don't listen to it, it's important but your eyes glaze over.

Posted by: waelse1 at November 21, 2012 01:03 AM (SrTFr)

313 Ace, completely agree with you. I'm a screenwriter from the UK. Well, y'know, it's a work-in-progress but I have had some stuff made. Which is good. So a lot of the domestic political stuff on your blog is interesting rather than important to me, but I love your style of writing so reading your take on, say, Prometheus is really cool to me. And then some of it is a revelation, like the Lifeman stuff, to the extent that it's given me an idea I'm writing up as a script.

Politics shouldn't define anyone. And being constrained to write only about politics - especially a writer as talented as yourself - is just dumb.

Posted by: Stephen Potter at November 21, 2012 01:49 AM (rAUGR)

314 I love this blog for the non-political stuff. A lot of the political stuff is interesting too, and I do tend to be conservative and I agree with a lot of what's written here -- but it's not why I check this blog almost every day.

Speaking of Prometheus in particular, I haven't seen the show but I thought your review was really good. I mean, REALLY GOOD, as in even though I like science fiction I had never really broken it down into the institutional versus the commercial phase like you did, and it gave me a lot to think about.

Heck, I even went today and looked up your post on Ashley Judd The Puffy Face again because so many of the points you made in that post were so damned true and funny at the same time. I quoted that post to a neighbor a couple weeks ago and still might send her a link to it, because she laughed so hard at the part I quoted.

Your other co-bloggers are great too. The overnight threads in particular always have a ton of interesting links.

I've written off a lot of friends this last election cycle, both left and right, because politics was ALL they could talk about. I don't know why their lives are so meaningless and shallow they can't find anything in their own lives worth discussing, so they spend all their time talking about the stereotypes and public personas of strangers they don't know and never expect to meet.

But, as you noted, instead of telling them all that, I quietly left those conversations.

Thank you for having a blog that does talk about things besides politics.

Posted by: Camille at November 21, 2012 01:58 AM (E29pD)

315 Dead thread, but I must say, I've been coming here for years, mainly because of the cultural references. Don't change anything!

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 21, 2012 02:14 AM (yJYwC)

316 Loved the post. Great stuff.

But (doncha hate those?) trying to copy libtards in their ways so we can have an equal voice, or any voice at all, in the Media isn't going to work.

It's not who we are. It's like cats learning to swim. Sure, they can swim, but they ain't gonna like it.

Who we are, who Conservatives are, is NOT who liberals are. We are NOT interested in being the center of attention all the time (like liberals often are) we are NOT interested in the performing arts, we do NOT spend half of lives in College getting one useless degree after another.

Loved your post. Good reading. Good insights. Some good stuff that I may borrow in my future thinking --

But we have to remain true to who we are.

If we aren't true to ourselves, then who are we?

Posted by: Uncle Rick at November 21, 2012 09:08 AM (ZbB1q)

317
my favorite when i used to blog was the "I could have told you that" asshole. I could spend days uncovering a story, original research investigating laws, people or organizations, hours and hours, run it and half the responses were"well we already new..."
Yeah mother fucker, its not what you know, its what you can prove so lets see you get your ass in gear and prove shitlike I did. Not that Im bitter about it...fuckers!
Anyway, my meds are kicking in, but just wanted to say Ace I have had two daily reads since I discovered blogs in 2006, drudge report and you, so fuck 'em.

Posted by: ray robison at November 21, 2012 09:14 AM (c7Pp2)

318 If nothing else, this post was useful in coughing up some lurkers and non-regulars who turn out to be pretty insightful, like this guy:

Posted by: Liam at November 20, 2012 09:32 PM (lDC8t)
Thanks to you and all the others who have made their voices heard. Come back often, keep this blog fresh.

Posted by: kallisto at November 21, 2012 09:28 AM (jm/9g)

319
Posted by: Camille at November 21, 2012 01:58 AM (E29pD) "Speaking of Prometheus in particular, I haven't seen the show but I thought your review was really good."
yeah, he nailed that one. I actually really enjoyed that movie but something about it was nagging at me. Ace crystalized it with the discussion of the corporation vs cowboy spaceship and how the geologist was so out of place, and the woman who lead the mission jumped in the sack with the captain like 30 minutes after waking from deep cryogenics. I mean, would your fun bits even be awake yet? I hate it when characters act way out of place. Although with the Petraeus scandal I may need to reconsider that POV.

Posted by: ray robison at November 21, 2012 09:57 AM (c7Pp2)

320 Hi Ace,
Great points as ususal. I'd offer one modification though -- numerous comentators are saying things like "conservative billionaires need to buy newspapers". Culture wars aren't being fought in the papers anymore. Anyone reading a paper already has their opinion formed. If conservative billionaires really want to make a difference, they should buy US Magazine and MTV.
Use US Magazine to show media personalities in worst light ("Is Katie getting fat? Look at Solidad doing the walk-of-shame sans make up!") and use MTV to make sympathetic dramedys and reality shows for tweens ("Betty's parents lost their jobs because of unions and Obama, so they can't afford her brother's sex change operation").
You get the idea...

Posted by: bsclark12 at November 21, 2012 10:10 AM (LamO5)

321
Posted by: bsclark12 at November 21, 2012 10:10 AM (LamO5)
Exactly, if you really want to see it look at gay marriage. I personally am not opposed to it but every damn show on TV is written by gay writers who use gay marraige to make conservatives look like evil, intolerant cave men. Cons have got to counter this. The direct route is to just give up the issue, but since that won't happen, they need to promote writers and editors to work from within Hollywood to at least stop the millions of $ worth of free political ads. Thats where the rich conservativemedia types need to influence the culture.

Posted by: ray robison at November 21, 2012 10:19 AM (c7Pp2)

322 209
"178 Im not so sure that the subversive/march through institutions stuff would work for us, ace.

Yeah, I wonder, too, having worked in academia from 1987 to 2007. Conservatives don't gravitate to it. And these days, they're suppressed and discriminated against in academia. How many of us has the dedication to an ideal of say, Albert Schweitzer, to enter a profession we don't necessarily like and then persevere in it the rest of our lives? For an ideal?

I was in a used bookstore last week and bought "Growing Up Underground," an autobiography of a 60's radical/bomber I'd never heard of -- Jane Alpert. I bought it because I want to really drill down and research how and why the Left captured the imagination of huge numbers of the boomer generation, and how that outlook became "cool" and then got fed into the Millenials via teachers and media and Hollywood.


Posted by: Salt Lick at November 21, 2012 01:06 PM (GTOhs)

323 Anybody have the link to Ace's Prometheus post? I missed it and an exhaustive search of the archives turned up nothing. By which I mean, I at least clicked on the archives link, checked November, and didn't see any posts with Prometheus in the title. At first glance.

Posted by: Purple Fury at November 21, 2012 03:15 PM (I3sRm)

324 Never mind; found it.

Posted by: Purple Fury at November 21, 2012 03:32 PM (I3sRm)

325 Ace,

Good points. Breitbart was right and I'm glad that others are starting to see the light. Engage the culture war is a multi-war front. Some things we can start today, others will take years like building parallel institutions. Hey Steve Wynn and Koch brothers, this will give you more bang for your buck than any rovian PAC. The good news is we already have a good start with things like Fox, Blaze, etc. We have culture warriors and just to name a few: the Twilight Saga, The 300, Act of Valor, Elisabeth Hasselbeck on the View, Tim Tebow, and the Duggars: 19 and Counting. Now we just have to ratchet it up big time. The other good news is that there is a major built in audience for this product and money to be made. That will certainly speed up the process.

Another field ripe with opportunity is Video Games and Apps. I don't play a lot but I was fascinated to find out that the Gaming Industry has passed (or will pass) the movie industry revenues. The Gaming Industry is male-friendly, pro-military, has no problem with guns or violence, and politically incorrect. This is an opportunity for conservatives AND know that the lefties will be targeting them big time. Gamers speak out about how conservative ideas support gamers, support a free internet and reform copyright laws.

I also advocate we all tap into our inner Honey Badger and go all Al Bundy on the left i.e. show up uninvited to all of their events and take it over. The lefties didn't build new universities, they took over public universities and then locked out conservatives. TAKE THEM BACK! Conservatives are already involved in the entertainment industry and the culture at large. The problem is that we are SILENT consumers (like the Snowman in Smokey and the Bandit). When the Bandit was in trouble, he told his friend carrying the booze that he was safe because no one knew he existed. Instead of abandoning his friend, the Snowman said "they're about to find out who I am" and proceeded to use his semi to smash through the police barracades. Hey conservatives: HULK SMASH, Hulk Smash Now!!! Speak up and don't be afraid to make waves. Follow Dalton's rules from Roadhouse- Be NICE until it's time not to be nice. Or from Act of Valor, respect others beliefs, and DEMAND that they respect yours.

There are small things that we all can do on a daily basis that can make a difference now. Let people know that you are a conservative or republicans. If it is not work safe for you to do so, do it an other ways. Be creative. Small things count, maybe even more than the big things. Since Christmas will be here soon, wish everyone a Merry Christmas with a smile. If someone says happy holidays, smile and wish them a Merry Christmas. Talk about how much you love Christmas, family traditions, Hallmarks countdown to Christmas shows, everything is up for grabs. Go for it!!

Posted by: black redneck at November 21, 2012 03:34 PM (bib2h)

326 Howdy, Ace! After the election I felt that I had to quit blogs cold-turkey for a while. Enough time has passed that I can take a peek back into the blogosphere. So I'm popping my head through the doorway to say that out of your many wise posts here, this is IMHO one of the wisest.


And to encourage you in silly posts as well as wise ones, for just the reasons you gave. :-)


Happy Thanksgiving Day to all!

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 21, 2012 05:02 PM (9wOfB)

327 Posted by: Liam at November 20, 2012 09:32 PM (lDC8t)


Hello, Liam, and welcome! :-)

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 21, 2012 05:06 PM (9wOfB)

328 Posted by: black redneck at November 21, 2012 03:34 PM (bib2h)



Great points!

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 21, 2012 05:36 PM (9wOfB)

329 You have identified the real problem, and I completely agree withthis change in strategy. We can sink all of the money and time in the world in political organizations and blogs, but as long as liberals dominate our cultural iconsand mediums, these efforts will have limited results.
"You cannot reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into in the first place, the saying goes.
Second Major Effect: That liberals are fun guys full of wit and interesting things to say and don't drone on and on about politics all the damn time.
The reason the right must do this is that 90% of political belief is not rational per se. It's pre-rational, to coin a term. It's not irrational per se, but it's often not examined on strictly rational, faculties-of-higher-thinking-fully-engaged level, either.
It's who you like."
--and--
" Politics, for most, is less about argument and logic and rational underpinnings and grandly conceived ideology than it is a simple human choice: Do I feel more affinity with this group over here, or that one over there? And once you've chosen a tribe you're more comfortable with, you begin adopting their attitudes and mores."

No one is out of reach fromfromtheunendingliberal onslaught through cultural mediums.And their message are overlooked by Libertarians and Conservativesbecause they revere their icons. Even those musicians andmovie directorswhosecultural messages attack their foundational beliefs.My conservative elderly aunt loves to read Huffpo because she is attracted to the entertainment articles and finds the writers witty and amusing.
Humor is ancient andpowerful cultural weapon. I gain far more results convincing people with the use of wit and intellect and indirectcultural connections, than whenI shredpolitical leaderswith acid venom.
I'll be interested to see how this change in strategy develops. The possibilities ofimpacting a wider audience are good. Knew you would come up with a plan.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at November 21, 2012 08:36 PM (OTWsz)

330 I have no idea why my text is stuttering and eliminating spaces. sigh.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at November 21, 2012 08:38 PM (OTWsz)

331 Are you interested in Electronic Components and IC Components?
You should go to the following website to see more information
http://www.hqew.net

Posted by: Jimmy at November 22, 2012 11:59 AM (ynEC9)

332 I really appreciate your thoughtful column which really makes a compelling argument. I learned a lot reading it which is always a plus.

I am a liberal but, you know, there was a time when I could have gone in a different direction. I consider myself morally progressive but fiscally conservative.

But like you say, I look at the groups and who I want to associate with. I see one group talking about civil rights, helping the poor & equality and the other group appears to be petty, angry, mean-spirited, hateful and have disgust and contempt for anyone who doesn't share their ideology. As you said, I have 0.00% interest in talking to someone who, from the start, has no respect for my point of view.

From an outsider's point of view, the GOP will not win the big elections as long as there are these ideological purity tests of who is a "true American" or "patriot". Demographic groups that vote against Republicans do so not because of brainwashing but because they pursue legislation that goes against our interests. Why would Hispanic-Americans vote Republican when the party has consistently shown themselves to be hostile to immigrants and the problems they face?

Focus less on trying to convince voters why they are wrong about everything (which is a tactic that will fail) and instead, try to genuinely represent the interests and concerns of those who would vote for you. Don't tell people what you think they want to hear, try, Clinton-style, to understand their struggles and how you could help them. Don't say stupid things like single-parent homes are ruining America unless you are willing to take the hit that will come with single mother & fathers voting against you.

In sum, stop pursuing enemies and try making new friends. Who knows, you might actually have somethings in common with them if you stop assuming they are "takers" or "lazy" just because they are Democrats. Believe me, I've been called worse things that that by Republicans. It's a great way for a frustrated Tea Partier to vent their anger but it also ensures that I will never want to cross over the divide and vote Republican.

Posted by: Liz at November 29, 2012 02:41 PM (WHIpk)

333 P.S. Kudos on the Gramsci reference. He is the absolutely last political theorist I'd expect to see on a right-wing blog. #Respect ; )

Posted by: Liz at November 29, 2012 02:42 PM (WHIpk)






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