For All You Bellichick/"Cheatriots" Haters....

Asterisk?

The longer Belichick goes without winning a Super Bowl after the Jets and the NFL put an end to his intricate spying operation of opponents’ defensive signals, the more a case can be made that his championships deserve an asterisk.

The mystique and aura of Belichick has taken major hits.

He is supposed to be so much smarter than everybody else, so until now he has escaped criticism for his bizarre deployment of personnel in blowout games because it hasn’t resulted in a major injury.

What sense does it make leaving Tom Brady in at the end of games with leads so big even the Patriots’ putrid defense can hold them? Fortunately for Brady, nobody has taken a cheap shot at him as Belichick keeps dialing up touchdowns.

But how sick must Belichick feel now that he will be Gronk-less for the Thanksgiving Night game against the Jets at MetLife because he kept All-Pro tight end Rob Gronkowski on the extra point protection team after New England scored its eighth touchdown Sunday to take a 59-24 lead against the Colts with 3:55 remaining. Gronk broke his forearm and had surgery Monday.

He'll be out at least 4-6 weeks. Bellichick had pulled him from the offensive squad but not the special teams squads.

Bellichick snapped about this, "Tell me who's going to get hurt and I'll take him out of the game," and there's some truth to that.

And it is true that if you start pulling the first-string guys who protect the first-string kicker (a very important position, obviously; always a team's highest scorer), the odds that your first-string kicker will be injured with a leg injury due to a guy coming in hot on a block go up dramatically.

Still, there is a time when the second and third string should get some experience in live-ball situations, and that time is certainly less than four minutes left when you're up 58-24 and have scored eight touchdowns in a row. (It was 58-24 before the extra point made it 59-24.)

Bellichick has always tended to leave his first-string in late in games. He did this a lot in the season they lost to the Giants, the 18-1 season, when the Patriots just ran up massively padded point-counts against teams which had been beaten by the middle of the third quarter. I suppose you dance with the girl that brung ya, but the fact is this is a dangerous game, and a game that grinds strong men down, and if you can spare your best players four minutes, five minutes per game here and there that's gotta have benefits for the late season (not to mention their later careers). And not just in terms of major injuries that put players out for blocks of the season, but just in terms of the niggling, nagging injuries, the ones that dog players the whole season and keep them no better than 90%, the wear and tear, the exhaustion.

Sure, you should play 60 minutes of football, but when you're up 58-24 you already did play 60 minutes of football. You just did it in 55 minutes.

Posted by: Ace at 04:44 PM



Comments

1 The president is a scoamf

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 20, 2012 04:46 PM (DJceH)

2 yeah if I'm the coach and we're up a couple of touchdowns in the 4th quarter, I tell my assistant coaches that 'everybody gets on the field today'

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 04:47 PM (8sCoq)

3 Oh, so this is football. Okay. Carry on.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 20, 2012 04:47 PM (P7hip)

4 Put us in coach! We're ready!

Posted by: 1985 Patriots at November 20, 2012 04:48 PM (mcWHD)

5 Huh I didn't realize you followed football so closely ace.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 20, 2012 04:48 PM (DJceH)

6 That's the downside to destroying the other team -- you may lose an important soldier. However, I do believe in running the score up -- if you can't take being sodomized, play badminton.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 20, 2012 04:48 PM (dZ756)

7 In my Fantasy Football league, I need to beat my brother in law this weekend and he has Brady and Gronk on his team and I have the Pats D on mine. Those 3 defensive / special teams TDs last week.... nice.

Just saying.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 20, 2012 04:49 PM (C2//T)

8 Yes, you're right, Belichick is a dope. Don't know who wrote the screed, but there's no question he could do a better job.

Posted by: Cricket at November 20, 2012 04:49 PM (DrC22)

9 gronk forever ! belchick would have won last SB if Gronk was 100% in THAT game !

Posted by: Molly Pitcher at November 20, 2012 04:49 PM (K8v83)

10 1 "The president is a scoamf"

Hey, maybe so. Meanwhil, you wanna know who DEFINITELY is a "scoamf"? Mitt Romney. The RNC. Unskewism.

At most, it's all RELATIVE: Obama 'may be' a scoamf ... but compared to the the LLLLOOOOOSSSEEERRRRS, not so much.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 20, 2012 04:50 PM (21TJo)

11
I give no shit about the Patriots but now I want them to win the Super Bowl just to shove it up this guy's ass.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2012 04:50 PM (jUytm)

12
Meh. The Patriots would have won the first Superbowl against the Giants if not for the massive and flagrant holding that wasn't called on the play where David Tyree caught the pass with his helmet. If holding had been called, the down would have been replayed, the once in a thousand catch wouldn't have been made, the Patriots would have had the ball back and been able to run out the clock.

Posted by: DC Zombie at November 20, 2012 04:51 PM (b96e6)

13
Posted by: Rex the Thing That Lives Under the Stairs

Get back under the stairs.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2012 04:52 PM (jUytm)

14 There's the Barry Switzer attitude: Run up the score every chance you get. "It's not my fault - if they don't want us to run up the score, then they should play some defense." There's some appeal to that - for fans for sure. And it also can have an intimidating affect on other opposing teams.

But, ultimately, it's counter-productive. Aside from the risk of normal wear-and-tear and freak injuries, it places the players at extreme risk of cheap shots delivered out of frustration. We are dealing with highly-accomplished freakish athletes who are not accustomed to being embarrassed on the field. And they're not all the mature, introspective type.

As Ditka said regarding this, the opposing coach will mark this down - and remember it. So, too will his players.

Posted by: angler at November 20, 2012 04:52 PM (SwjAj)

15 A football thread? Knowing that some of us are 0 and 6 in the past six weeks and had a precedential election in the middle? Though we did get M Vick out of the starting lineup for a week and discovered the GWH rookie couldn't do anything with the sad-sacked offensive line being so... offensive.

I don't think you're feeling our pain *bites lower lip in best Bill Clinton imitation*.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 04:52 PM (feFL6)

16 Yeah, the Pats have a history of leaving in the starters all game.

So much so that, when the Saints kicked the shit out of the Pats on MNF on the way to a Super Bowl victory, people started calling them out for poor sportsmanship when Bill benched Brady about halfway through the 4th.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 04:53 PM (e0xKF)

17 huh?

Posted by: Gerry at November 20, 2012 04:53 PM (T15wi)

18
Look at his record.

To Bill Belichik, one game is just like another. His record shows he wins far more often than he loses.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2012 04:53 PM (jUytm)

19 Why couldn't Gronk have broken his arm before he put up all those FFL points against me?

I swear, my team this year has lost more close games in stupid-ass ways. Grumble, grumble.

Posted by: Y-not at November 20, 2012 04:53 PM (5H6zj)

20 But how sick must Belichick feel now that he will be Gronk-less for the Thanksgiving Night game against the Jets at MetLife because he kept All-Pro tight end Rob Gronkowski on the extra point protection team

______________


Yeah, I bet he's just crushed about not having him against the Jets. "However will I beat the Jets now?"

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 04:53 PM (YsFN3)

21 The longer Belichick goes without winning a Super Bowl after the Jets and the NFL put an end to his intricate spying operation of opponents’ defensive signals, the more a case can be made that his championships deserve an asterisk.

The Patriots won eighteen games after the faux-scandal was 'exposed' and went back to the Superbowl again years later.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 20, 2012 04:54 PM (2x+V2)

22 You Play. To Win. THE GAME!

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 04:54 PM (8sCoq)

23 As Joe Paterno would say, Its not my job to keep my team from scoring.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 20, 2012 04:54 PM (C2//T)

24 So.....Bellichick sucks?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 04:54 PM (GEICT)

25 Being a Jet Fan ( which I don't brag about ) I hate Bellichick. On the other hand being a Jet Fan, you usually lose your interest in Football but the third week of the season. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 04:54 PM (79ueO)

26 Total bullshit. The Patriots played in 2 Super Bowls after the "spygate" thing, and were in position to win both of them until fucking Eli Manning pulled plays out of his ass to win them. They're the best team in the NFL this year, Colin Cowherd said so yesterday and he had the numbers to back it up.

Gronk is one of the team's best blockers in addition to beinga fabulous tight end. Nobody gets broken arms on PATs. Ask yourself why the Colts were trying to hurt him at the end of a 59-24 game.

Haters can bite me.

Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 04:55 PM (aBlZ1)

27 well, just you wait, once Obama hires 100,000 science and math teachers, all of America's woes will end.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 04:55 PM (QxSug)

28 Even if you take your starters out of the game (which Belicheat should do more often), you don't have a "2nd team" on special teams. Backup QB comes in to play in the 4th and they score 2 TDs - Gronk is still going out there on the extra points. You only have 45 guys to suit up on Sundays.

Posted by: Memories at November 20, 2012 04:55 PM (aH1oa)

29 I think it was Dungy that had the exact opposite philosophy. Wasn't he the coach when the Colts were undefeated late in the season and most of the starters didn't play/played sparingly and they lost?

Posted by: angler at November 20, 2012 04:56 PM (SwjAj)

30 re: "However, I do believe in running the score up"

If you're winning because your team has a great staff and office, your second team will run the score up just fine.

I'm not a football guy, but the early-2000s Sacramento Kings used to do just that. Their coach's system was a killer (against everyone but the Lakers, who were too similar), and their bench was good enough to make the playoffs on its own (as starters' injuries made them do two or three times).

The recent/current Patriots have a reputation as a "franchise" winner, not a this-handful-of-exceptional-players winner. Maybe that's bullshit. Maybe they just have a few of the best guys, and if they take them out, they can't hold a twenty point lead for five minutes.

Posted by: oblig. at November 20, 2012 04:56 PM (cePv8)

31 GRONK SMASH!
http://tinyurl.com/6m6ab82

Posted by: mallfly at November 20, 2012 04:56 PM (bJm7W)

32 As Joe Paterno would say, Its not my job to keep my team from scoring.

Nor is it your job to prevent your assistant coaches from scoring either.

Posted by: 1985 Patriots at November 20, 2012 04:56 PM (mcWHD)

33 Until Sunday, after the game when it was learned that Gronk was seriously hurt, the knock on the 2012 Patriots was that they couldn't "finish games". Their three losses are by a combined four points and in two of those they gave up late scores to lose. They nearly lost to the Jets and Buffalo in similar fashion. So decided to leave in the starters could be as simple as sending a message to finish. Also, Belichick has always viewed the three phases of the game - offense, defense, and special teams - as equally important and so has always used his best players in those positions.

Taking out your top players in a romp to protect them is a tomato/tomahto argument, Belichick, on this topic, has been consistent: players play.

Posted by: steve walsh at November 20, 2012 04:56 PM (01dv5)

34 >>>Total bullshit. The Patriots played in 2 Super Bowls after the "spygate" thing, and were in position to win both of them until fucking Eli Manning pulled plays out of his ass to win them.

I just duz what I duz.

Posted by: Eli Manning at November 20, 2012 04:56 PM (LCRYB)

35 Fuck the pats and the ginats and jets too.
I hope they fail!

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2012 04:57 PM (I7O5y)

36 Injuries are what I hate most about football but dammit, the best part of football is decleating hits you can hear from the upper deck. So whatchagonnado?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 04:57 PM (QupBk)

37 Elmo thought he hear sumone say TightEnd?
This make Elmo Happy.

Posted by: "Elmo" at November 20, 2012 04:57 PM (c8hZ5)

38 It's the NFL. It's hard to win, let alone make it to superbowl. Think of all the early success players had, only to never reappear in the big game again.

Marino back in what 83? thought he'd be there every year.

Brett Favre and Ron Wolf couldn't do it after 96,97

Pats are still a dynasty, they never get stomped, they only stomp. And I hate those guys but there's no asterisk. They win, they beat good teams.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 20, 2012 04:57 PM (QxSug)

39 >>>Sure, you should play 60 minutes of football, but when you're up 58-24
you already did play 60 minutes of football. You just did it in 55
minutes.

It goes deeper than that. The heavy hitters can get a bit vindictive in the last 5 minutes, even in a game that is not close, emotions over being beaten soundly run high amongst the players from which you expect the most physical agression. They get the attitude, that they are going to show that while you might be up by 4 touchdowns they aren't "beaten". So you see more aggressive playing from your pushers and hitters that combined with game fatigue can result in a lot of injuries.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 04:58 PM (0q2P7)

40 Can't stand Bellicheat. Always manages to look like a slob on the sidelines. BTW Gronk played his HS ball near my neck of the woods. Wish he was with a classier bunch.

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at November 20, 2012 04:58 PM (izA2D)

41 Its pro football. Who cares?

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 04:58 PM (YdQQY)

42 Oh--It's Gary Myers! You gotta love the way he sources it with..."my source." Who does this guy think he is, Woodstein?

Posted by: Cricket at November 20, 2012 04:58 PM (DrC22)

43 >>>I think it was Dungy that had the exact opposite philosophy. Wasn't he the coach when the Colts were undefeated late in the season and most of the starters didn't play/played sparingly and they lost?

yeah but that was for full games, you know. I think the starters didn't play the last game, then they had a one week bye after that, so it was two full weeks without football. That doesn't seem to work.

But pulling players in this game or that game once it's well in hand? And come on, this is well in hand. No one's going to score 30 points in five minutes.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 04:58 PM (LCRYB)

44 I slept with the NFL. Twice. In one night.

Posted by: Sandra Fluck at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (UL+ny)

45 "The Patriots played in 2 Super Bowls after the "spygate" thing, and were
in position to win both of them until fucking Eli Manning pulled plays
out of his ass to win them."



This is an argument FOR the Patriots?

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (X6akg)

46
What sense does it make leaving Tom Brady in at the end of games with leads so big even the Patriots’ putrid defense can hold them?

Part of that may be contract insentives in the players contract

Posted by: kj at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (AW9md)

47 28 Even if you take your starters out of the game (which Belicheat should do more often), you don't have a "2nd team" on special teams. Backup QB comes in to play in the 4th and they score 2 TDs - Gronk is still going out there on the extra points. You only have 45 guys to suit up on Sundays.
Posted by: Memories at November 20, 2012 04:55 PM (aH1oa)


__________________

The thing is the Pats offense was barely on the field, they had two defensive returns and a punt return and time of possesion was effectively 33-27 Colts, so it's not like they were being over exposed.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (YsFN3)

48 41 Its pro football. Who cares?

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 04:58 PM (YdQQY)




Vegas

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (GEICT)

49 One of my favorite shirts that I wear simply says "18-1".

It's my personal "fuck you" to Belichick, Brady and the Patriots.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (GrtrJ)

50 And speaking of "good football" I see that my Dawgs have moved up yo #3.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (YdQQY)

51 Sure, you should play 60 minutes of football, but when you're up 58-24
you already did play 60 minutes of football. You just did it in 55
minutes.


I was taught... "Did the bell ring? No? Then I haven't dismissed you yet. 60 minutes is 60 minutes."

Posted by: dogfish at November 20, 2012 05:00 PM (NuPNl)

52 yeah a commenter above makes a good point-- when a game is that out of hand, people on both sides of the ball are going to start not playing as hard, just killing time. But then what happens if one guy gets full of piss and vinegar and plays at full speed when no one's really expecting it, when guards are down?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 05:00 PM (LCRYB)

53 Vic at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (YdQQY)

South Carolina really elmo'd this team.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 20, 2012 05:00 PM (mcWHD)

54 But then what happens if one guy gets full of piss and vinegar and
plays at full speed when no one's really expecting it, when guards are
down?

This is what the whole controversy with the Bucs and the victory formation play was about, wasn't it?

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 20, 2012 05:01 PM (mcWHD)

55 WTF kind of football post doesn't include pointy elbows?

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 20, 2012 05:01 PM (2R1uR)

56 Or, it could just be that Bellichick is an asshole. That's a valid explanation, IMHO.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 05:01 PM (RD7QR)

57 >>>
This is what the whole controversy with the Bucs and the victory formation play was about, wasn't it?

yup.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 05:02 PM (LCRYB)

58 That's a valid explanation, IMHO.

It's not an explanation, it's a given.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 05:02 PM (QupBk)

59 But then what happens if one guy gets full of piss and vinegar and plays at full speed when no one's really expecting it, when guards are down?

Switch to 'melee mode'

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2012 05:03 PM (4pSIn)

60 SC lucked out.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 05:03 PM (YdQQY)

61 Also, Matt Cassell saw plenty of garbage time for the Pats in 2007 once those games were in hand. I remember him getting in quite a bit.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 05:03 PM (YsFN3)

62 The Patriots are like the whitest team in the NFL.
Racist!

Posted by: Brock Sotero, and I approve this message. at November 20, 2012 05:04 PM (I7O5y)

63
victory formation

I hate this phrase. Just call it 'takin a knee.'

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2012 05:04 PM (jUytm)

64 SC lucked out.

Interesting way to spell "completely destroyed"

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 20, 2012 05:04 PM (mcWHD)

65 Cheatriots owner Bob Kraft is a big time Obama supporter

So fraud is pretty much a-OK with him

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 05:04 PM (wwsoB)

66 I hate this phrase. Just call it 'takin a knee.'

I more hate that they call everyone on the field a "stud" makes watching football sound kinda gay.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 20, 2012 05:05 PM (mcWHD)

67 Strange. I seem to have wandered into a sports blog.

Which I never do, because reading about sports is, to borrow Elvis Costello's phrase, "like dancing to architecture."

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at November 20, 2012 05:05 PM (2Oas0)

68 Tom Brady's Audi that he crashed had Jersey plates on it and it was also a gift. Avoided MA taxes and avoided the big gift tax

Tom Brady --> rich ----> tax the shit out of him

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (wwsoB)

69 But then what happens if one guy gets full of piss and vinegar and plays at full speed when no one's really expecting it, when guards are down?
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 05:00 PM (LCRYB)
_____________________


You see this happen all the time in hockey, which is why allowing fighting is so effective and crucial in the sport.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (YsFN3)

70
Another popular phrase this year in sports: "flashes of greatness"

As in "He showed flashes of greatness in the pre season."

or "He flashed during training camp.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (jUytm)

71 He's a horse is a most overused phrase.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (QupBk)

72
I can't stand Bellicose but the NFL has encouraged running up scores with it's tiebreaker rules.


Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (1Y+hH)

73 Meeeow!

A New York writer rips Belichick... there's an unbiased opinion...

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (TOk1P)

74 I admit I hate Bellichick.

I really started to despise him when I first saw that gray cutoff smock thing he wears. Respect the game. How far we have fallen since the days of your Halas or Landry in a suit and tie, respecting themselves, the league, and the game. Bellichick looks like he wouldn't get turned away for service at a soup kitchen.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (mg08E)

75 >>>victory formation. I hate this phrase. Just call it 'takin a knee.'

I have my own usage for the phrase. It involves my junk.

Posted by: Will Folks at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (LCRYB)

76 Meremortal at November 20, 2012 05:06 PM (1Y+hH)

In only one season has it come down to a scoring tie breaker. And face it; that was awesome when ESPN played those highlights side by side.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 20, 2012 05:07 PM (mcWHD)

77 As far as football goes, I'm just hoping Nick Saban decides not to feast on the carcass of Gene Chizik too much this weekend. Maybe, say, to the tune of 35 points or so instead of 60 something. Of course, it's Alabama-Auburn, so I'm delusional.

He's going to twist the knife all afternoon long.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 20, 2012 05:07 PM (/BwGa)

78 65 Cheatriots owner Bob Kraft is a big time Obama supporter_____________________

An Obama supporter in Massachusetts? Why I never....

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 05:07 PM (YsFN3)

79 I've also played sports enough to know that when you start running up the score on a team, you look like an asshole and manage to piss off the other guys to the point where they may deliberately start looking to hurt your guys.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 20, 2012 05:07 PM (GrtrJ)

80 You see this happen all the time in hockey

Is that a fact? When is the last time this happened in the NHL?

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2012 05:07 PM (4pSIn)

81 Belicheat is not that good and neither were the Pats. Their 3 Super Bowl wins were all by a mere field goal and happened in the cheating era. Not a dynasty.

Posted by: PR at November 20, 2012 05:07 PM (KHo8t)

82 The CONCERN you Giants and Jets fans show for Pats' players is touching.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 05:07 PM (TOk1P)

83 Coach Sphincter always has that puckered look on his face. Being a die-hard Colts fan, this post makes me say - see? see? What'd I tell ya?

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 05:08 PM (BoE3Z)

84
It involves my junk.

that woulda 63% funnier if you added and your mouth

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2012 05:08 PM (jUytm)

85 I expect guys who are successful in a very competitive enterprise to be assholes of one kind or another. I'm pleasantly surprised when they are not.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 05:08 PM (QupBk)

86
So, Belichick is or is not a sideboob? I don't get it...

Posted by: Walkers! at November 20, 2012 05:09 PM (MazXE)

87 how many titles does Belichick have without Brady as QB?

the same as Dungy without Manning.

Posted by: Rich at November 20, 2012 05:10 PM (fxjo5)

88
But then what happens if one guy gets full of piss and vinegar and plays at full speed when no one's really expecting it, when guards are down?
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 05:00 PM (LCRYB)


That's the chance you take when you squat on the ball. I like the coach (don't know his name)that has his players attack in that situation. There's no obligation to stop playing the game because the other teamwants to stop taking any chances.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 05:10 PM (1Y+hH)

89 87 -

Same as Lombardi without Bart Starr.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 05:11 PM (TOk1P)

90 I'm just hoping Nick Saban decides not to feast on the carcass of Gene Chizik too much this weekend.

If Nick is smart, and he is, he will make sure that they get the ball out of AJ's hands quickly to avoid injury. Just run the ball and shorten the game. 4 long slow drives for TDs. No big plays, no big mistakes, no big injuries and get ready for a tough Georgia which is hitting it's stride.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 05:12 PM (QupBk)

91 One of the hip young with-it guys that I always, quote, "hang out" with is always telling me my boobs look like footballs. That goes on a sports thread, doesn't it?

Posted by: Meghan McCain at November 20, 2012 05:13 PM (QKKT0)

92 I cannot form an opinion on this subject until I know what garrett thinks.

Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 05:13 PM (jm/9g)

93
182W -100L


Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2012 05:13 PM (jUytm)

94 Meh. This just sounds to me like a lot of Friday evening Secretary-of-Defensing.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2012 05:14 PM (mqdAz)

95 89
87 -



Same as Lombardi without Bart Starr.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 05:11 PM (TOk1P)
Same as Vince Lombardi without Aaron Rodgers.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 05:14 PM (BoE3Z)

96 me my boobs look like footballs. That goes on a sports thread, doesn't it?

Only if accompanied by pictures. Of your boobs, I mean.

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2012 05:15 PM (4pSIn)

97 One of the hip young with-it guys that I always, quote, "hang out" with
is always telling me my boobs look like footballs. That goes on a sports
thread, doesn't it?


All three of them?

Posted by: GeorgePatton at November 20, 2012 05:15 PM (qBLA2)

98
As far as football goes, I'm just hoping Nick Saban decides not to feast on the carcass of Gene Chizik too much this weekend. Maybe, say, to the tune of 35 points or so instead of 60 something. Of course, it's Alabama-Auburn, so I'm delusional.

He's going to twist the knife all afternoon long.


And I and B'Gal and all the kids and grandkids shall enjoy each and every minute of it whilst consuming turkey day leftovers.

Also, where are the elbows? They said there'd be elbows...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 20, 2012 05:16 PM (lOmbq)

99 Ugh I hate the "take knee" thing.... Ever since d'andre's mom screamed TAKE A KNEE D'ANDRE in my ear 5 yrs ago

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 20, 2012 05:17 PM (DJceH)

100 Um ...

1. This ain't college ball, with 100 kids in uniform. In the pro game, you're allowed to dress a very limited number, and on top of that, you're stuck with certain players who DEFINITELY aren't versatile: placekicker, punter, quarterback, backup QB. None of those guys are going on special teams. Plus all or nearly all the line behemoths are off the special teams: too slow, too easy to beat, too dangerous to their own health. Plus there's only so many slots you can assign to the 'skill set' ballerinas; 2, maybe 3 little speed merchants from the RB, WR and DB depth chart. The rest, the MAJORITY of special teams, is made up of the 'tweeners', guys with speed AND size, the ones that are generally lining up at linebacker, fullback and tight end. The chances of a starting tight end also serving on at least one special teams are extremely high, simply due to how the numbers play out.

In short, Ace's general premise is wrong.

2. The linked article is to a NY Daily News opinion piece. Seriously, Ace: a NYC football pundit's gonna be OBJECTIVE about Bad Bill?

It's sheer paranoia thinking that the success that Bad Bill has had at NE is somehow 'due' to cheating, or that his 'lack' of success -- especially given NE wins even in its WORST seasons -- somehow traces to his not being 'allowed' to cheat.

3. Someone upstairs implied Bad Bill's similar recklessness cost the Pats Gronk last year against the Niners. That's nonsense: Gronk was hurt in-game, and KEPT playing. NFL is a hard game; people get hurt; grow up.

4. I don't understand the implication that somehow Bad Bill has thrown the season away. the Pats are up 3 games to every other team in their division, with only 6 to play; they need as few as 2 wins to make the playoffs; it's HUGELY probable they will, even if Gronk never played a down this year.

This happens all the time: people forgetting NFL is a TEAM game. The talk this past week into Monday night was how the Niners were in big trouble because the starting QB was concussed: OH NOES THE NINERS R DOOMED. So, Smith didn't play, and instead the Niners relied on their 'backup' QB who, to me, looks better right now than Smith has EVER looked in his entire career.

Same thing with the Gronk-less Pats: give a good team with a good coach enough time to adjust, they'll adjust.

Then Gronk returns in time for the playoffs, all rested. But in the playoffs, whether or not the Pats make it to the Stupor Bowl is likely to depend way more on their D, not Gronk.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 20, 2012 05:17 PM (21TJo)

101
Bellichick is an a**hole, and lucked into Tom Brady, who, though Metrosexual, is a great quarterback.And yes, they will not win another sooper-boal, unless they cheat their way to victory. Kind of like DemocRats, which mASSachusetts is full of.

Posted by: Live Free Or Die at November 20, 2012 05:17 PM (Z/Rsb)

102 >>>telling me my boobs look like footballs.

Rugby balls, on their good days.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 05:17 PM (0q2P7)

103 >>>91 One of the hip young with-it guys that I always, quote, "hang out" with is always telling me my boobs look like footballs. That goes on a sports thread, doesn't it? Posted by: Meghan McCain

You hang out with Ace?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 20, 2012 05:18 PM (MazXE)

104 What I can't wait to see is when the end of the season rolls around and Michael Vick is turned loose, all of the haters will suddenly discover he's not such a bad guy when your home team picks him up for pennies.

I'll say this for him, he takes a fucking beating every week - down after down, while the offensive line gets out of the way and lets the opposing team beat his ass into the ground and contuse him into la-la land. Thought they didn't like Vick, then when I saw them do the say thing to the GWH rookie backup, realized the offensive line is the number one problem. There's just no talent there.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 05:18 PM (feFL6)

105 Andy Reid (Eagles) left LeSean McCoy (all-pro RB) in this past Sunday with less than 2 minutes left in the game, and the Eagles hopelessly behind. Only to have McCoy suffer a concussion. No timetable for his return yet, he's still having headaches.

Reid defended the decision by indicating that the players are competitors who don't quit, and that he was demonstrating he doesn't give up either. Like the post said, there is some truth to that thought. But really Andy, less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th quarter, with the outcome totally decided? Support the guy bygiving him an edge and a better chance to be fresh another day.

This isn't an exact science, but I wonder if the stats guys couldn't calculate some odds of when it makes sense to pull which playersunder which circumstances, which type players are most likely to be injured in which situations, etc.

Posted by: RM at November 20, 2012 05:18 PM (TRsME)

106 What's hilarious is that I've seen Belicheat pull his starters when they're *down* by more than three scores in the fourth quarter. Apparently the reverse of that situation is lost on him.

Posted by: logprof at November 20, 2012 05:19 PM (gBuIk)

107
Running up the score is admittedly atiny problem. The larger issue is the fact that the referees are the game now. The name should be National Referee League. The players are just pawns and the rules have become so convoluted that the game is ludicruous to watch at times.


That reminds me,are concussions a problem in the Rugby leagues?Do away with all padding and helmets (which are weapons) and watchserious injuries decline. Wimmen will also be more interestedif they can see the player's faces.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 05:19 PM (1Y+hH)

108 Did someone actually quote Colin Cowherd as authority? Good Lord. Have we all gone mad?????

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 05:20 PM (pLTLS)

109
"Have we all gone mad?????"



Newbie alert.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 05:21 PM (1Y+hH)

110 108 Did someone actually quote Colin Cowherd as authority? Good Lord. Have we all gone mad?????

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 05:20 PM (pLTLS)

--I had to agree with him this morning when he was questioning the Big "10" taing on Maryland and Rutgers.

Posted by: logprof at November 20, 2012 05:21 PM (gBuIk)

111 It is not the sign of a competitor as much as it is the sign of a glutton.

Sure, you want to protect your kicker, but when you're up by 20 points, WTH says you have to use your first string kicker. Further, the D will get to the ball before they get to the kicker.

Everybody loves a winner, nobody loves a selfish SOB.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:22 PM (piMMO)

112 Fuck Gronk with Elmo's dick.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 05:22 PM (ZKzrr)

113 I see that Colin Cowherd is a meme here. I now feel better. Carry on.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 05:23 PM (pLTLS)

114 Give the Rams an asterisk on their loss as well.

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at November 20, 2012 05:23 PM (T/L2Z)

115 7
In my Fantasy Football league, I need to beat my brother in law this
weekend and he has Brady and Gronk on his team and I have the Pats D on
mine. Those 3 defensive / special teams TDs last week.... nice.



Just saying.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 20, 2012 04:49 PM

Luckily the Pats D is facing Dirty Sanchez and his red zone gifts to opposing secondaries

Unfortunately even the Dirty Sanchez managed to have a decent game against the Cheatriots up in Foxboro

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 05:23 PM (wwsoB)

116 And in case it hasn't been mentioned yet, the surgical scar will in no way impede the hotness which is Teh Gronk.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:24 PM (piMMO)

117 111 It is not the sign of a competitor as much as it is the sign of a glutton.Sure, you want to protect your kicker, but when you're up by 20 points, WTH says you have to use your first string kicker

__________



Teams don't dress a backup kicker or punter.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 05:24 PM (YsFN3)

118 110 108 Did someone actually quote Colin Cowherd as authority? Good Lord. Have we all gone mad?????

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 05:20 PM (pLTLS)

--I had to agree with him this morning when he was questioning the Big "10" taing on Maryland and Rutgers.
Posted by: logprof at November 20, 2012 05:21 PM (gBuIk)

-----

All about getting the B10 network on basic tiers in NY, NJ, and D.C. Competitively, it's stupid. For revenue, it's probably not.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 20, 2012 05:24 PM (JCIjD)

119 "What I can't wait to see is when the end of the season rolls around and Michael Vick is turned loose, all of the haters will suddenly discover he's not such a bad guy when your home team picks him up for pennies."
Agree completely with this entire post, and he never quits. Seems like half the time the pass rushers damn near beat the snap to Vick. He's practically running for his life before he gets a chance to catch the ball.

Could be wrong, but IMHO, the coaches never really used Vick properly this year and put him in the best position to maximize his talents. I know there were injuries,but that is the coaches' job, it goes with the territory. Such a shame.

Posted by: RM at November 20, 2012 05:24 PM (TRsME)

120 95 -

That's true, I hadn't thought of it that way. None with Lynn Dickey either.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 05:25 PM (TOk1P)

121 Bill Belicheat is a Republican but Kraft is a huge lib. How does a conservative react to this? Hate the Pats but not Belicheat? It's cornfusing.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 05:25 PM (pLTLS)

122 Its pro football. Who cares?



Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 04:58 PM (YdQQY)


People who don't purchase whiskey by the mason jar and can't attest to how good his adult sisters look naked.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 05:25 PM (SY2Kh)

123
If one were to read the constitution as a living document, it would clearly say in the second amendment that guns must accompany all football related posts, and by guns I mean cheerleader boobs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 05:25 PM (3BbLJ)

124 Fuck Gronk with Elmo's dick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx14LiGx2x0

Posted by: Elmo know where you live at November 20, 2012 05:26 PM (4pSIn)

125 "The longer Belichick goes without winning a Super Bowl after the Jets
and the NFL put an end to his intricate spying operation of opponents’
defensive signals, the more a case can be made that his championships
deserve an asterisk."

If this was written about politics, Ace would call "bullshit" for the obvious wishcasting.

The Pats were a mere two plays away from winning TWO additional Superbowls against the Giants, both after their "cheating" days.

A matter of inches on Tyree or Mannigham (or Welker), and the NY Daily News doesn't have an article here, do they?

Posted by: Bullshit at November 20, 2012 05:26 PM (Ys6PL)

126 Haters gotta hate. Belichick is a winner and haters hate winners.

Reminds me of the hate for the Yankees.

I say thisnot aseithera Patriot or Yankee fan.

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2012 05:26 PM (m2CN7)

127 Why couldn't Gronk have broken his arm before he put up all those FFL points against me?



I swear, my team this year has lost more close games in stupid-ass ways. Grumble, grumble.


****

I've been pretty proud of team and my ability to swap out players as needed and then....THEN.... I played against Matt Schaub on Sunday.

74 freaking points!

There's just no planning for that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:27 PM (piMMO)

128 Posted by: Elmo know where you live

I'm not clicking on that. Ever.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 05:27 PM (ZKzrr)

129 125 -

Yup, Ace is concern trolling his own blog.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 05:27 PM (TOk1P)

130 I've been pretty civil even though I've disagreed with some of my fellow morons

But this is the fucking Cheatriots, and I'm a Jets fan

Fuck you, your cheating gild the lily coach, and your pretty boy quarterback with his America hating undie model wife

mmmmm ... feels good to say that

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 05:28 PM (wwsoB)

131 >>>>That reminds me,are concussions a problem in the Rugby leagues?Do away
with all padding and helmets (which are weapons) and watchserious
injuries decline. Wimmen will also be more interestedif they can see the
player's faces.

Rugby protection involves more than just not having hard pads or a helmet. The rules of the game are set up so that charging hits are extremely rare.

1. You may not block in Rugby. The only valid engagement is on the guy with the ball.
2. There is no forward pass in Rugby, so no receiver waiting for 1 second to 2 seconds for an incoming pass while he is surrounded by defense and EXPECTED to be hit and hit hard.
3. Just knocking a player down is insufficient, you need to have control of them on the ground otherwise they can get up and run again.
4. If a player is tackled without nearby support from his own team it almost always results in a turnover, this limits how often ball carriers are off by themselves.
5. Tackling starts a fight for possession which is far more important to win than the tackle itself. Tacklers concentrate less on pounding their opponents and more on being in position to try and recover the ball.
6. At no time are both feet allowed to leave the ground during a tackle, preventing lunging tackles.

If you just took the pads and helmets off of American Football players without drastically changing the rules, you are setting them up for very serious injuries.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 05:28 PM (0q2P7)

132 This is an argument FOR the Patriots?
Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 04:59 PM (X6akg)

It's an argument against the BS that the Patriots haven't done shit since "spygate." They went 18-0 after that, and reached another SB last year. Only one other team did that and they sucked in the regular season.

Anyone wanting to argue thatBelichick needed a spy to beat Andy Reid and the Eagles in 2005 is just an idiot.

Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 05:31 PM (qE3AR)

133
And it is true that if you start pulling the first-string guys who protect the first-string kicker (a very important position, obviously; always a team's highest scorer), the odds that your first-string kicker will be injured with a leg injury due to a guy coming in hot on a block go up dramatically.

Deer Ace (and Bellichick):

This is why you have scrubs. And a backup kicker. He needs the game time work, too. So if your top kicker goes down with an actual injury you know your backup can step in and do his thing and what you end up worrying about is his range. Not a rookie or a bench warmer who's never actually kicked a FG or PAT in an actual NFL game situation.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 20, 2012 05:31 PM (1hM1d)

134 Belicheat is 2-4 in postseason games since the 07 SB vs the Giants kicked off. They'd be 1-4 except the Ravens dropped the game-winning TD pass and Cundiff missed his first FG all season from 31 yds out.

Their last SB win came against the Eagles in a game where the Pats came out in the 2nd half running an entirely different offensive scheme, all the while seemingly knowing the Eagles playcalls by Jim Johnson, and screening every time Brady was going to get blitzed.

They did the same thing to beat the Rams. They won all 3 SBs by the margin of a field goal, 2 of them after trailing Philly and Carolina.

There's no question the Pats cheated their way to playoff excellence, it was so obvious the Goodell literally 'burned the tapes' so there was no evidence. Belicheat's arrogance in getting his players injured is just icing on the cake.

Posted by: Najdorf at November 20, 2012 05:32 PM (tAHf5)

135 Asterisks we don't need no stinking asterisks.

Posted by: L. Armstrong at November 20, 2012 05:32 PM (Kflw4)

136 Yes. He cheated and been ineffective, to an extent, since getting caught.

All teams in all sports do it. When they get caught, they suffer slightly. It's the nature of the beast.

I'm starting to grow tired of ALL sports, so they all can just fuck off. I don't care anymore.

They make BILLIONS of dollars and just keep wanting MORE and MORE and MORE.

Fans get fucked every time they turn around because besides businesses, who the hell can afford to go to a game anymore?!?

Cowboys game:

$60 to $100 to park.
$25 party pass (shit view from one end zone and NO view) It goes WAY up from there.
$8 for a beer
$5 for a bottle of water
$5.50 for popcorn
$6 for iced tea


Really? Fuck em. I'll likely never go to a pro sporting event again.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 20, 2012 05:32 PM (UK9cE)

137 If it was called football ballet, would Belichick's accomplishments be any more or less impressive?

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2012 05:33 PM (mqdAz)

138 Because broken arms on field goal protection happen every... what? every 20 years???...

h8ters hate... democraps tax and spend

Posted by: phreshone at November 20, 2012 05:33 PM (MAhUT)

139 If one were to read the constitution as a living document, it would
clearly say in the second amendment that guns must accompany all
football related posts, and by guns I mean cheerleader boobs.


*****

Take your pick!

http://binged.it/QWzIxg

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:33 PM (piMMO)

140 130 I've been pretty civil even though I've disagreed with some of my fellow moronsBut this is the fucking Cheatriots, and I'm a Jets fanFuck you, your cheating gild the lily coach, and your pretty boy quarterback with his America hating undie model wifemmmmm ... feels good to say that
Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 05:28 PM (wwsoB)

I hope you will have all your sharp objects put away on Thursday. I'm going to the game and the Patriots have never lost when I've been there.

Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 05:34 PM (qE3AR)

141 Oh boy. I hope Peaches doesn't see this.

Posted by: Ronster at November 20, 2012 05:34 PM (nQMHQ)

142 Had a HS football coach who told us that if he thought we were good enough to be on the starting lineup for a game, we were good enough to be on the finishing lineup for the game. It did teach us endurance. It's not a bad attitude.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 05:35 PM (qnk1H)

143 Teams don't dress a backup kicker or punter.


*****

So I guess it's a good thing that nobody has ever slipped on wet grass or twisted an ankle before.

Short-sighted gain at the expense of long-term strategy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:36 PM (piMMO)

144
Anyone wanting to argue that Belichick needed a spy to beat Andy Reid and the Eagles in 2005 is just an idiot.

That's true, he didn't need a spy.

He had Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb to tip the game in his favor. And as much as I like to rip on TO, he did everything he could to win that game.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 20, 2012 05:36 PM (1hM1d)

145 Mumbles' first Super Bowl was based on cheating by spying on the Rams initial sequences during closed practice. Late in the game HOF Kurt Warner was carving them up and had it gone into OT would've probably won. Belichick did a great job of realizing this and going for the win in regulation versus what Madden was saying. Still was blatant cheating and fuckface Tagliabue didn't have a hair on his fat ass for not voiding it.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 05:36 PM (bd+qC)

146 142 Had a HS football coach who told us that if he thought we were good enough to be on the starting lineup for a game, we were good enough to be on the finishing lineup for the game. It did teach us endurance. It's not a bad attitude.



Your HS coach also didn't have players with salaries in the millions, driving a league with revenue in the billions. Per year. Playing first stringers late in blowouts is fucking stupid.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 05:37 PM (GEICT)

147 And, to clarify, I'm not a hater.

I'd say the same of anyone who risked their top-notch players in order to run up the score. And, I have no problem with running up the score, but don't risk your best players to do so.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:38 PM (piMMO)

148 Andy Reid (Eagles) left LeSean McCoy (all-pro RB) in this past Sunday with less than 2 minutes left in the game, and the Eagles hopelessly behind.

Both Reid and Vick are gone at the end of the season, maybe Reid earlier when the 8th loss occurs this week. I think the Eagles are in for a decade long 'rebuilding year' after that.

But Vick proved to me that he's one tough summabitch that can take a beating for half the game. Any team that picks him up will probably discover that, too. I can't get too upset about him being gone, because it's pretty hopeless, but we might as well clean house and start over.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 05:38 PM (feFL6)

149 I've been suspicious of the Patriots since the 2001 AFc championship game. It was pretty obvious that they had superior intelligence. Too superior. I never really thought about NFL surveillance cheating until that game.

Posted by: forest at November 20, 2012 05:39 PM (7RBBe)

150


One of the hip young with-it guys that I always, quote, "hang out" with is always telling me my boobs look like footballs.


No, you misheard him. He said it's a softball in a tube sock.

Posted by: imp at November 20, 2012 05:39 PM (UaxA0)

151 I'm sorta with @Sponge on this. The prices are just too outrageous anymore. Even watching on the tube isn't what it used to be. Most times the announcers suck the new rules suck even more.

Posted by: Infidel at November 20, 2012 05:39 PM (O/fK8)

152 145 Late in the game HOF Kurt Warner was carving them up and had it gone into OT would've probably won.

_______________



How did he manage this if the Patriots had been cheating?

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 05:39 PM (YsFN3)

153 141 Oh boy. I hope Peaches doesn't see this.
Posted by: Ronster at November 20, 2012 05:34 PM (nQMHQ)



I was just about to type that very thing.

Ace must be feeling lucky today.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 20, 2012 05:41 PM (2rMmy)

154 RG3> vick

Posted by: Mr pink at November 20, 2012 05:41 PM (U9ywS)

155 >>>It did teach us endurance. It's not a bad attitude.

You were still an athlete "in development" far (hopefully) from your full potential. My feelings are that most first string NFL players need to be "taught" very little, and have learned the real basic stuff like endurance through an entire game years earlier. Athletes at that level are at their full potential, and you as a coach are less concerned with their continued development, and more concerned with harnessing the potential that you have at hand. That includes not playing them now if you don't need to and saving their endurance for when you really need it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 05:42 PM (0q2P7)

156 So what some are saying is that Belicheck should pull all the starters? If not, why some and not others?

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2012 05:42 PM (m2CN7)

157 Republican just on FoxB from the House Ways and Means Committee. Said they were set to make a "deal" with the Dems on revenue enhancements provided the Dems would agree to cut spending now.


IOW they are going to sell us out. His deal was to cut "loopholes". You know what a "loophole" is? Its a deduction that someone else is able to take that you can't. IOW for me a loophole is home mortgage interest deduction since I can't take it.


In the end I fully believe that they will give the Dems what they want. Huge tax increases for a magic bean of spending cuts 10 years from now.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 05:42 PM (YdQQY)

158 Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Posted by: CTN at November 20, 2012 05:43 PM (sDfId)

159 #134 You really are saying they needed to cheat to beat Donovan McNabb, who sleepwalked his way down the field in the fourth quarter? You think they knew ALL the plays? Give me a break.

Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 05:43 PM (NYnoe)

160 I hope you will have all your sharp objects put away on Thursday.
I'm going to the game and the Patriots have never lost when I've been
there.


So what you're saying is that you're the one who has been recording the opposing team's signals and transmitting them to Belichick?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 05:43 PM (SY2Kh)

161 Playing first stringers late in blowouts is fucking stupid.

There fresh eager ones coming up every year...and the rookies are cheaper. The NFL doesn't care if you spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, on crutches, or seeing double vision.

Professional football is spectacle/entertainment, not sport...and that's a critical difference.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 05:43 PM (jSbEA)

162 Anyone wanting to argue thatBelichick needed a spy to beat Andy Reid and the Eagles in 2005 is just an idiot.
Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 05:31 PM (qE3AR)


he cheated. and they won by three points. sounds like he needed the spy.

Posted by: PR at November 20, 2012 05:43 PM (KHo8t)

163 141
Oh boy. I hope Peaches doesn't see this.

Posted by: Ronster at November 20, 2012 05:34 PM (nQMHQ)

She was the first person I thought of when I saw the thread topic.....and right after her, Lincolntf.

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 05:44 PM (X6akg)

164 Okay, now I'm convinced we need a Hall of Fame for all of the world's greatest sports cheaters.

We'll call it the NASCAR Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2012 05:44 PM (mqdAz)

165 #160 Muahahahahahahaha

Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2012 05:44 PM (NYnoe)

166 Soona,

Just saw your comment on the other thread.

What is it that you think I am "jacking everyone" about?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:44 PM (piMMO)

167 Michael Vick is a sociopath and a dolt. He's also way too small for the game and gets injured constantly. I, for one, am glad to see this and I hope he is injured severely any time he steps on the field.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 05:45 PM (pLTLS)

168 134 Belicheat is 2-4 in postseason games since the 07 SB vs the Giants kicked off. They'd be 1-4 except the Ravens dropped the game-winning TD pass and Cundiff missed his first FG all season from 31 yds out. Their last SB win came against the Eagles in a game where the Pats came out in the 2nd half running an entirely different offensive scheme, all the while seemingly knowing the Eagles playcalls by Jim Johnson, and screening every time Brady was going to get blitzed. They did the same thing to beat the Rams. They won all 3 SBs by the margin of a field goal, 2 of them after trailing Philly and Carolina. There's no question the Pats cheated their way to playoff excellence, it was so obvious the Goodell literally 'burned the tapes' so there was no evidence. Belicheat's arrogance in getting his players injured is just icing on the cake.
Posted by: Najdorf at November 20, 2012 05:32 PM (tAHf5)

__________



You realize thatthe EaglesSuperbowl game was tied going into the FOURTH quarter too, right?

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 05:46 PM (YsFN3)

169 Cowboys game:

$60 to $100 to park.


Huh???

Does that price include a driver to bring you home?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 05:46 PM (SY2Kh)

170
>>>Professional football is spectacle/entertainment, not sport...and that's a critical difference.

That may be true but you'll lose your audience (TV wise) in a blowout. So it really doesn't make sense, even from the business side, to needlessly rack up points.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 05:46 PM (0q2P7)

171 There fresh eager ones coming up every year...and the rookies are
cheaper. The NFL doesn't care if you spend the rest of your life in a
wheelchair, on crutches, or seeing double vision.

Professional football is spectacle/entertainment, not sport...and that's a critical difference.


****

I asked yesterday why the players union doesn't demand guaranteed contracts, such as with the NBA.

They don't and thus they can be run into the ground while running up a score.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:46 PM (piMMO)

172 The eagles actually used to be good, not anymore though. It is funny that they beat fat ass Andy Reid by cheating though.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 20, 2012 05:46 PM (U9ywS)

173 6 SFGoth,
Or move away from San Fran

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 05:46 PM (V+y/j)

174 RG3> vick

I noticed that in the first three minutes of Sundays game. Which is about when I realized that Philly might just go from beating last years Super Bowl champs in the beginning of the season, to ending up in last place at the end of the season.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 05:47 PM (feFL6)

175 Cowboys game:

$60 to $100 to park.


****

WOW!

Is that to encourage folks to take some sort of public transportation or is there just a really limited amount of space?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:47 PM (piMMO)

176 Niggling. That's a dog-whistle codeword, right?

Posted by: JWF at November 20, 2012 05:48 PM (1l37M)

177 Playing first stringers late in blowouts is fucking stupid.

In High School we had a 40 point lead at halftime. We suited up the team manager/ water boy and he played at WR for the second half. We scored 30 more points.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 20, 2012 05:48 PM (+I8Mq)

178 Your HS coach also didn't have players with salaries in the millions, driving a league with revenue in the billions. Per year. Playing first stringers late in blowouts is fucking stupid.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 05:37 PM (GEICT)


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Players are payed to play football. If the owner and the coach think they should be playing at the end of a blow-out game, then it's their decision. They own the players. They know the risks.

Besides, just like anyone at any job, these players are not irreplacable. Unkowns coming in to replace prima donas have produced some star players.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 05:48 PM (qnk1H)

179 Mr. Spanky is disappointed in most of you. Whether you love or hate the Patriots, the fact remains that you can only suit up 45 players each Sunday. Teams don't have 2nd or 3rd string punt teams. Add in the rarity of injuries on FG/Extra Points and this was a complete fluke.

Posted by: Mr. Spanky at November 20, 2012 05:49 PM (pjO3t)

180 Is that to encourage folks to take some sort of public transportation or is there just a really limited amount of space?


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:47 PM (piMMO)


That's what it costs to park near the stadium. They share parking between The Ballpark and Jerryworld. There's PLENTY of parking. They didn't even run out of space when they had a Rangers home game and a Cowboys home game on the same day.


Greed, baby. It's what's for dinner.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 20, 2012 05:50 PM (UK9cE)

181 Cowboys game:
$60 to $100 to park.
Huh???
Does that price include a driver to bring you home?

You know what that is? A business opportunity. A bus, a tailgate party rig, bunches of beer, and brats, and 75$ a head with the ride home while drunk included.

Everybody wins. Except the greedy F*kers charging 100 bucks to park.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 05:50 PM (0q2P7)

182 Short-sighted gain at the expense of long-term strategy.

They only get 51 (53?) guys. If you lose your punter most of the team can drop-kick if necessary.

Don't tell Pat McAfee I said that.

Posted by: Radish™ at November 20, 2012 05:50 PM (ZKzrr)

183
Niggling. That's a dog-whistle codeword, right?


Posted by: JWF at November 20, 2012 05:48 PM (1l37M)


You're a racist for pointing that out AND repeating the word.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 20, 2012 05:51 PM (UK9cE)

184 Mr. Spanky is disappointed in most of you. Whether you love or hate the
Patriots, the fact remains that you can only suit up 45 players each
Sunday. Teams don't have 2nd or 3rd string punt teams. Add in the rarity
of injuries on FG/Extra Points and this was a complete fluke.


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The risk may be low, but it exists and, yes, football is a very physical sport, which is why your key players should be in top shape.

Risking the injury when it is completely unnecessary seems ridiculous.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:51 PM (piMMO)

185 She was the first person I thought of when I saw the thread topic.....and right after her, Lincolntf.
Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 05:44 PM (X6akg)


Great minds think alike.

Posted by: Ronster at November 20, 2012 05:53 PM (nQMHQ)

186 Unknowns coming in to replace prima donas have produced some star players.

Including that goatfucker Brady.

Posted by: Radish™ at November 20, 2012 05:53 PM (ZKzrr)

187 In High School we had a 40 point lead at halftime. We suited up the team
manager/ water boy and he played at WR for the second half. We scored
30 more points.


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I bet that was a fun game, and I bet those kids that stepped in remember it still today.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:53 PM (piMMO)

188 "183
Niggling. That's a dog-whistle codeword, right?


Posted by: JWF at November 20, 2012 05:48 PM (1l37M)


You're a racist for pointing that out AND repeating the word.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 20, 2012 05:51 PM (UK9cE) "

Don't be a nagger, bro.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 05:53 PM (hhVWg)

189 That's what it costs to park near the stadium. They share parking
between The Ballpark and Jerryworld. There's PLENTY of parking. They
didn't even run out of space when they had a Rangers home game and a
Cowboys home game on the same day.


Greed, baby. It's what's for dinner.


****

Well, I suppose if folks are willing to pay it, then go for it!

Capitalism! Yay!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:54 PM (piMMO)

190
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 05:28 PM (0q2P7)


Thanks, very informative. A lot of those rules are very interesting.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 05:55 PM (1Y+hH)

191 Had a HS football coach who told us that if he
thought we were good enough to be on the starting lineup for a game, we
were good enough to be on the finishing lineup for the game. It did
teach us endurance. It's not a bad attitude.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 05:35 PM (qnk1H)
Don't forget about play selection. If you're getting your ass beat by a coach with conservative play calling and working the clock, take it like a man. If you're down 52-0 in the fourth quarter and the coach is running trick plays and throwing long passes, that's another story. Players hate losing. They REALLY hate being humiliated.

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 20, 2012 05:56 PM (HqXYa)

192 What the hell is that thing in the sidebar and does it look to anyone else like it's in the middle of a proctology exam?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:57 PM (piMMO)

193 95 -



That's true, I hadn't thought of it that way. None with Lynn Dickey either.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 05:25 PM (TOk1P)

You may beat the Pack but you will never lick our Dickey

Posted by: The Dude at November 20, 2012 05:57 PM (tw6Ar)

194 It's hard to see how someone who's constructed the winningest team in 20 years -- a team with 5 Super Bowl appearances in 11 years, and which was a combined 180 seconds from being 5-0 in those games -- can have an aura that's dimmed.

Listen, I get it -- the Pats were clearly caught with their hands in the cookie jar over Spygate. They went 16-0 that season and were less than a minute away from going 19-0, however. Since that near-perfect season, they've missed the playoffs once (when they tied the Dolphins at 11-5) and averaged a 12-4 record, losing in the Super Bowl last year. As a Pats fan, I'd love for them to have gone 5-0 in Super Bowls. (Actually, I'd love for them to have gone 11-0 over the past 11 years, but that's not going to happen.) They went 3-2 instead. Bummer. I can think of 28 teams' fans who would gladly trade places over that time, however. (The exceptions being the Steelers and Giants because they've won multiple on their own, the Colts because of the rivalry and because they won one of their own, and the Jets because of the rivalry and because their fans are idiots.)

You can hate on the Pats because you can't beat them. You can hate on them because they cheated at one point. You can't hate on them because they haven't succeeded. If you combined the record performances of Bobby Cox's Braves with Joe Torre's Yankees, you'd get Bill Belichick's Patriots -- consistently excellent, always (or almost always) in the playoffs, winning multiple titles. There's no one that's come close to that level of performance and excellence in the NFL in the last 15-20 years.

Period. End of story.

Posted by: Pablito's Way at November 20, 2012 05:57 PM (yIinv)

195 "192 What the hell is that thing in the sidebar and does it look to anyone else like it's in the middle of a proctology exam?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 05:57 PM (piMMO) "

Looks like some sort of "unigorilla"... Who knows. Fantasy isn't my thing.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 05:58 PM (hhVWg)

196 183

Niggling. That's a dog-whistle codeword, right?





Posted by: JWF at November 20, 2012 05:48 PM (1l37M)

Remember that public official down in DC who was canned for using the word "niggardly"?

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 20, 2012 05:59 PM (HqXYa)

197 "196 183

Niggling. That's a dog-whistle codeword, right?





Posted by: JWF at November 20, 2012 05:48 PM (1l37M)

Remember that public official down in DC who was canned for using the word "niggardly"?

Posted by: Ombudsman at November 20, 2012 05:59 PM (HqXYa) "

Bad words are nothing to snigger about.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:00 PM (hhVWg)

198
In high school we played a very tough team and made the mistake of scoring on them on our first possession. We missed the extra point so we had them 6-0
They starting running up,the score and by the 4th quarter it was closing in on a hundred. Their side of the stands was chanting get that hundred, get that hundred and then our stands starting chanting the same thing with them. They wound up beating us 106-6, Very disconcerting

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2012 06:04 PM (R8hU8)

199 Why can't you stupid right-wing prudes just lighten up and understand that you're just not allowed to say or think a lot of things. Especially not in the 21st century. Why do you stupid imbeciles have so much trouble comprehending this fundamental axiom of Liberalism and Progressivism? Is it because you're freedom-hating Nazis?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:04 PM (hhVWg)

200 I heard on the local sports radio station today that a family of four could get tix to an upcoming Eagles game for 100 bucks total. I made that mistake once, took the family, with free tickets. Eagles fans make AoS commentators look like choir boys with mute-ism.

The fans were kinda nice, they kept apologizing to me for the constant stream of obscenities, but they lost to the Arizona Cardinals for-crying-out-loud. It was all I could do to keep away from the f bomb.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 06:05 PM (feFL6)

201 MUR, I'm beginning to wonder if you have a split personality.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:06 PM (piMMO)

202 They starting running up,the score and by the 4th quarter it was closing in on a hundred. Their side of the stands was chanting get that hundred, get that hundred and then our stands starting chanting the same thing with them. They wound up beating us 106-6, Very disconcerting

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Heavens to Betsy, that's an asskicking.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 20, 2012 06:06 PM (d4o2E)

203 MUMR, that is.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:06 PM (piMMO)

204 >>>There's no one that's come close to that level of performance and excellence in the NFL in the last 15-20 years.

Seems like the 90's Cowboys have Three Super Bowl wins there as well.
And I note that you conveniently cut out the 49ers 4 SuperBowl wins in the 80's

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 06:06 PM (0q2P7)

205 "201 MUR, I'm beginning to wonder if you have a split personality.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:06 PM (piMMO) "

No. It's my ire.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:07 PM (hhVWg)

206 This is an unintentionally hilarious article:

http://tinyurl.com/d37m6m4

Consequences, how do they work?

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 20, 2012 06:07 PM (pLTLS)

207 They starting running up,the score and by the 4th quarter it was closing
in on a hundred. Their side of the stands was chanting get that
hundred, get that hundred and then our stands starting chanting the same
thing with them. They wound up beating us 106-6, Very disconcerting


****

Geez!

At that rate they could have let the cheerleaders take a shot on the field.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:07 PM (piMMO)

208 "201 MUR, I'm beginning to wonder if you have a split personality.



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:06 PM (piMMO) "



No. It's my ire.


******

It's as if you switched off shifts with someone at 6pm.

Comments, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine then comment 199 and WTF?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:09 PM (piMMO)

209 "208 "201 MUR, I'm beginning to wonder if you have a split personality.



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:06 PM (piMMO) "



No. It's my ire.


******

It's as if you switched off shifts with someone at 6pm.

Comments, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine then comment 199 and WTF?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:09 PM (piMMO) "

Like I said. Ireny.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:11 PM (hhVWg)

210 >>>Comments, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine then comment 199 and WTF?!

Some people get button confusion, end up posting to the wrong thread. Happened to me once.*



*Once being once a week

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 06:11 PM (0q2P7)

211 Who wrote the excerpted portion? David Frum?

Posted by: Patrap at November 20, 2012 06:12 PM (1RXTZ)

212 Shannon Bream looks right at home filling in for Brett Baier.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:15 PM (piMMO)

213 # 199.. WTF???? Is this a Tourette's thing?

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 06:15 PM (BoE3Z)

214 Gillette Stadium? Y'all can't get there from here.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 20, 2012 06:16 PM (PALjS)

215 # 199.. WTF???? Is this a Tourette's thing?


****

See?!

It's not just me!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:16 PM (piMMO)

216 Lynn Dickey. Now that name brings back memories. One of the few, very few, almost nonexistent times my guys had a good team when I was growing up.

Posted by: teej still says go K-State at November 20, 2012 06:16 PM (/tk/V)

217 "213 # 199.. WTF???? Is this a Tourette's thing?

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 06:15 PM (BoE3Z) "

Yep. Subtlety is dead. Thanks a lot, you fucking Leftists.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:17 PM (hhVWg)

218 I would take 3-2 in Super Bowls. Hell, I'd take 1-2 at this point. In our history.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet, Eagles rooter at November 20, 2012 06:18 PM (YmPwQ)

219 >>> MikeTheMoose is Shrugging

No, #199 is just an asshole. All his comments are like that and he ruins threads.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 20, 2012 06:18 PM (MazXE)

220 "215 # 199.. WTF???? Is this a Tourette's thing?


****

See?!

It's not just me!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 06:16 PM (piMMO) "

Come on. It was logical enough, in context.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:19 PM (hhVWg)

221
One of the hip young with-it guys that I always, quote, "hang out" with is always telling me my boobs look like footballs. That goes on a sports thread, doesn't it?

Did he happen to mention that when mounting you from behind he feels like Troy Aikman taking a snap from Derek Kennard?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at November 20, 2012 06:20 PM (DySgs)

222 The 49ers and Cowboys streaks are ancient history.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet, Eagles rooter at November 20, 2012 06:20 PM (YmPwQ)

223 "219 >>> MikeTheMoose is Shrugging

No, #199 is just an asshole. All his comments are like that and he ruins threads.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 20, 2012 06:18 PM (MazXE) "

Do you imbeciles never give it a rest? You're becoming more ridiculous and self-defeating with every passing day.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:21 PM (hhVWg)

224
Yep. Subtlety is dead. Thanks a lot, you fucking Leftists.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 20, 2012 06:17 PM (hhVWg)
k then..... we was just hatin' on Belichik and shit.. I took the opportunity of "this" thread to let my subltety (is that how you spell that??) out in the back yard to piss. I'll call him back in.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 06:21 PM (BoE3Z)

225 222 The 49ers and Cowboys streaks are ancient history.




And yet they're history because they were great.


As opposed to fucking booing Santa Clause.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 06:22 PM (GEICT)

226 She comes here, but she doesn't hang out.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 06:23 PM (1Y+hH)

227 >>>The 49ers and Cowboys streaks are ancient history.

And so too it seems is the Patriots dominance is about to join them. It seems a team cannot remain reliably good in the NFL longer than a decade.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 06:23 PM (0q2P7)

228 Seems like the 90's Cowboys have Three Super Bowl wins there as well.
And I note that you conveniently cut out the 49ers 4 SuperBowl wins in the 80's

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Ahem

Posted by: 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers at November 20, 2012 06:25 PM (piMMO)

229 He had Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb to tip the game
in his favor. And as much as I like to rip on TO, he did everything he
could to win that game.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 20, 2012 05:36 PM

It was all Reid's fault! Don't you haters know that it's racist to criticize McNabb, the greatest quarterback since Warren Moon?

Posted by: ESPN at November 20, 2012 06:25 PM (wwsoB)

230 227
>>>The 49ers and Cowboys streaks are ancient history.

And
so too it seems is the Patriots dominance is about to join them. It
seems a team cannot remain reliably good in the NFL longer than a
decade.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 06:23 PM (0q2P7)
Excepting the Browns, of course. They're reliable.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 06:25 PM (BoE3Z)

231 I listened to Tony Dungy talk about this...He mentioned that he never pulled 1st stringers from his PAT squad, no matter the score. That's a unit that has a low injury rate and tends not to have many subs in practice.

Posted by: SARDiver at November 20, 2012 06:26 PM (bct9y)

232 >>>Excepting the Browns, of course. They're reliable.

I said reliably good. The Raiders are reliable too, have been for decades.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 06:27 PM (0q2P7)

233 And so too it seems is the Patriots dominance is about to join them. It seems a team cannot remain reliably good in the NFL longer than a decade.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 06:23 PM (0q2P7)___ ____ ____ ___ __ _ _ _ ____ ____ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ Excellence was meant to be passed around the league through the draft system. Unintended consequences took care of that. Remember the "parity" decade? Game after game with scores like 16-13. It was a bore.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 06:27 PM (1Y+hH)

234 Yeah, I can't think of too many injuries on the kicking squad.

Posted by: Mark at November 20, 2012 06:29 PM (r1JE8)

235 I said reliably good. The Raiders are reliable too, have been for decades.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 06:27 PM (0q2P7)
Oh, that kind of reliable. I had broadened the concept a little too much. Oakland is reliable, like the Chiefs. How the hell have they not been sued because of their racist name?(sarc)

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 06:30 PM (BoE3Z)

236 Remember the "parity" decade? Game after game with scores like 16-13. It was a bore.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2012 06:27 PM (1Y+hH)
No shit. It was tiresome. At least nowadays we can have the occasional game with the losers heads on pikes. Not too often, but a blow-out massacre is good for the soul.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 06:32 PM (BoE3Z)

237 Belichick is a great coasch and a cheater.
I was a Rams fans (Love Kurt Warner) and learned after the Super Bowl where the Rams were favored over the Patriots by, like, 20 points how Belichick cheated on defense.
Belichick knew he could not beat the Rams fair and square so basically interfered with Ram receivers on every play. Marshall Faulk was man-raped on the field every time he left the backfield to go on a pass pattern.
He also filmed the Rams offensive walk through the day before the game which is also illegal.
And finally, if you've been caught as many times as Billy Boy you've cheated TEN times that many times.

Posted by: bobbymike at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (9trNv)

238 @12

Boo-hoo. The NFL officials don't call holding most of the time, and no team in the NFL has benefited more from it than the New England Patriots.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (8LCi0)

239 {i}Late in the game HOF Kurt Warner was carving them up and had it gone into OT would've probably won.



_______________







How did he manage this if the Patriots had been cheating?

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 05:39 PM (YsFN3)

Because they made adjustments when they figured out that, for some fucking reason, the Patriots knew what they were calling.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 06:36 PM (+7aSH)

240 Speaking of McNabb, there is a rumor that when he was in Washington, that he really didn't take shit real seriously. Late in one game he was yanked for Rex Grossman because he didn't know the 2 minute drill. Grossman did. So the rumor goes that one week they gave him the game plan on a CD to look at on his laptop. They called him into the office with Shanahan, Allen (the GM) and Snyder to talk about the gameplan. He went on and on about it, and how great the game plan was. It turns out that the CD was blank, and Shanahan, Snyder and Allen all knew it was blank. That was when he was benched for the rest of the season, and Shanahan was then called a racist for benching him.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 20, 2012 06:42 PM (Zd/NW)

241 (Love Kurt Warner)


Holds the record for the three highest passing yardage games in Super Bowl history.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 06:45 PM (+7aSH)

242 @239 They held the Rams with their mediocre defense to 6 points until 2 minutes to play and Warner hit the fifth receiver Ricky Proehl who was the only one open. Mike Meartz was so upset with how the Ram receivers were being knocked off their routes (the Rams were all precision timing and the Patriots knew this, Warner threw to spots) he took a film to the commissioner. The '5 yard' contact rule became much more strident the next years and opened the door to the wild west aerial shootouts we have today.

Posted by: bobbymike at November 20, 2012 06:46 PM (9trNv)

243 @9: I didn't know he played cornerback....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 20, 2012 06:48 PM (Vshcg)

244 Sixty-three percent of college graduates believe that the American Dream is dead, leading some to consider moving out of the country,
-----
Gee almost the exact same percentage that voted for it to be dead, and now that they fucked it up they want to leave. Deportation would be more satisfying.

Posted by: IBT at November 20, 2012 06:55 PM (2t6Gz)

245 All about getting the B10 network on basic tiers in NY, NJ, and D.C. Competitively, it's stupid. For revenue, it's probably not.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 20, 2012 05:24 PM (JCIjD)

--No, it probably is, because almost no one in DC or NYC watches Maryland or Rutgers football.

Posted by: logprof at November 20, 2012 06:57 PM (gBuIk)

246 Posted by: bobbymike at November 20, 2012 06:46 PM (9trNv)


Warner's comeback with the Cardinals (one of the most inept teams historically ever; an original NFL franchise of which HOF Kurt has the majority of their playoff wins) might be the most inspirational thing I've ever seen in sports. Even though I was completely in the tank for him, I thought he was through when he started getting concussions and Martz soured on him and then couldn't latch on with the Giants, looking terrible every game. Then he went to the Cards as a backup to Matt Lienart iirc and when he saw action near the end of the season my fantasy buds told me "You should see the insane numbers Warner is putting up". They went to the Super Bowl the next year barely losing to the Stoolers (Kurt's threw a pick 6 in the red zone at the end of the first half that was a mega dagger) and the following year outdueled Aaron Rogers in a scoreboard breaker of an OT game where he got the highest QB rating possible. The following week he and the Cards got clocked by the Saints on their way to the Super Bowl championship and he called it quits after that.


Probably my favorite player ever.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 07:01 PM (+7aSH)

247 This has been a staple of Steeper and Colt forums for years. Without the cheating Bellichek is just another bad coach from cleveland.

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2012 07:34 PM (46qC3)

248 Look, I don't like the Patriots, per se. I'm indifferent, mostly. I despise the Red Sox, for instance, or more accurately, their fans. And for a long time I had that relationship with Patriots fans, too. And it was fun to needle them about camera-gate and whatever.

But, lets be real. The Patriots have been to the Super Bowl twice since then, AND they were undefeated in the regular season the first year after.

Second, it was common knowledge that the Patriots didn't do anything that every other team was doing at the time.

So to say that there should be some kind of asterisk on their championships is idiotic.

Furthermore, the special teams are the special teams. Only 45 or so players are active for any one game. There are 11 offensive starters, 11 defensive starters, 3 specialists, and backups that primarily play special teams. But some starters DO play special teams. Generally, only the special team's players practice on special teams. So when the team scores a TD, and goes to kick the XP, there aren't two sets of special teams guys that could go out and kick that point. There is one. And there is nobody really setup as the "backup" for a special teams player. Someone getting hurt on a freak special teams play is just that, a freak occurrence.

Gary Meyers is an asshole NY fan, plain and simple. And that's coming from a Yankees fan.

Posted by: deadrody at November 20, 2012 07:45 PM (b2D8X)

249 Including that goatfucker Brady.


Posted by: Radish™ at November 20, 2012 05:53 PM (ZKzrr)
Cool. Some new Brazilian slang, Goat = Wicked Hot Model(yes, I know they speak a dialect of Portuguese in Brazil)

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 20, 2012 07:53 PM (PALjS)

250 Gimme a foot worshipper anytime. And his no score duo of quatro-backs.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at November 20, 2012 07:56 PM (O+LNZ)

251 Gronkowski sat the last half of the 4th, except on special teams. Welker was sat down somewhere around the 5 minute mark. Tight ends play on Special teams, Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski included.

Both Rex Ryan and Tony Dungy have come out and stated that the complaining about this is ridiculous. If those two are defending Belichick, those who are attacking should be smart enough to know that they're obviously being idiots.

Posted by: Just A Guy at November 20, 2012 08:03 PM (nKMiQ)

252 Without the cheating Bellichek is just another bad coach from cleveland.

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2012 07:34 PM (46qC3)


Darth Hoodie's time in Cleveland was one of the biggest clusterfucks imaginable. He was probably the most polarizing sports figure in Cleveland history, including LeBron whom everybody loved when he was here. His pressers, especially after losses, were comedic nightmares like when he did dumbass shit like run Eric Metcalf up the middle when they were out of timeouts and then tried defending that shit. Plus the Browns under cocksucker Modell's ineptitude were like a galaxy of fuckup supernovas. One of the funniest was on draft day the Brown's brain trust was sold on the great Kyle Brady, who they thought was this giant sleeper that nobody had heard of and they were gonna snooker everyfuckingbody by taking him. Except the Jets fucked up their plans by selecting him immediately before their choice. Much hilarity ensued as phones were heard getting tossed in the "war room" and yelling and bitching until it became fucking obvious that the crew of shitheads didn't have a fucking contingency plan. They ended up taking Craig Powell, a mediocre linebacker from Ohio State who wasn't even all Big Ten and everybody laughed about during his rookie year for having the cleanest jersey on the squad because he didn't even see special team duty. He was the first round draft choice and I think he was waived out of the league in his second year.

I've often wondered if Mumbles, who definitely holds grudges, factored that in when he stiffed the Jets when they were counting on him to replace Parcells and went instead to the Patriots. Either that or: 1. He figured the Jets ownership was too hands on and wanted no part of that after Modell or 2. Kraft told him he could cheat his ass off and he wouldn't fucking care as long as he won.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 09:48 PM (+7aSH)

253 @246 I was very sad when he retired. I have a feeling that the blind side hit in the Saints playoff game was a factor in his retirement decision (one year left on his contract)

Now that we know what the Saints were up to, I ask myself was that a cheap 'Bounty' hit on Kurt?

He is a great man, he transcended football.

Posted by: bobbymike at November 20, 2012 10:43 PM (wJSZn)

254 Bill Belichick check is a cumstain. That is all.

Posted by: Tasmaniac at November 20, 2012 10:52 PM (X2M6S)

255 Take B+rry out of the game...

Posted by: torabora at November 20, 2012 11:03 PM (j5ex0)

256 @253 I don't think so. At the end of the Packers game he circled the field waving to all the fans. I think at that point he'd made up his mind to retire. I admire somebody who goes out on his own terms.


Although I'm not averse to the God squadders in football (big Tebow fan for example) there was something about Kurt's that rang more true. It must have been pretty lonely bagging groceries and wondering if he'd ever get a break while still doing his best to be ready when opportunity knocked. I'm sure his faith carried him through all that. Plus when he finally made it his wife got breast cancer and survived. Then it fell apart and even I thought he'd just be known as somebody who played some extremely exciting football and just caught lightning in a bottle. But then just as improbably he was as good as ever with the Cards. I've never seen anything like it and I've been following sports since the late 50s. The closest to him was Jordan coming back after his baseball hiatus. But even that was different.


And yes, the Saints were definitely headhunting him; just like they were Favre the week after. Everybody knew that except Goodell and his barely trained in-house monkeys.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 11:19 PM (+7aSH)

257 TOM FUCKIN' BRADY.

That is all. See you losers on Thursday night. Yeah, the Gronk has a broken wing, but we have a deep, deep bench.

Posted by: Peaches at November 20, 2012 11:20 PM (kpCLl)

258 > common knowledge that the Patriots didn't do anything that every other team was doing at the time.



Ace is just another stupid asshole Jets fan posting this to detract in advance of the Turkey Whip-Ass the Jets are up for, while ignoring the fact that EVERY FUCKING TEAM was doing the exact same thing at that time.


yep. Ace posting about NFL is like HuffPo about Obama... slanted, biased, willfully ignorant.


BTW: what was that that "Foots" Ryan said?





Rex Ryan defends Bill Belichick's use of Gronk on special teams
preview.tinyurl.com/bxrnj3q

Posted by: east of nowhere at November 20, 2012 11:39 PM (RiR6V)

259 The 49ers dynasty definitely qualifies. They won 5 Super Bowls AND they were dominant in the league during the time. They followed that up with complete mediocrity (for the most part), but the Montana/Young teams were outstanding.

The Cowboys? Meh. They won 3 Super Bowls, yes, but they also missed the playoffs several times. Their average record since their last Super Bowl is 8-8. They don't belong in the same conversation as the 49ers in the 80s/mid-90s or the Steelers in the 70s. The Belichick/Brady Pats do.

In some ways, what the Pats have accomplished under Belichick is even more impressive than what the 49ers or the Steelers accomplished, because of the salary cap and free agency. Teams aren't supposed to be THIS good for THIS long in the modern NFL.

Posted by: Pablito's Way at November 21, 2012 01:08 PM (yIinv)






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