Civil Libertarian Pat Leahy: Hey, How About Giving the Federal Government Total Access To All Your Emails and Accounts Without a Warrant?

The state is benevolent.

The state is wise.

The state loves you.

The state would never hurt you.

The state only wishes to help you.

Will you help the state to help you?

A Senate proposal touted as protecting Americans' e-mail privacy has been quietly rewritten, giving government agencies more surveillance power than they possess under current law.

CNET has learned that Patrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to law enforcement concerns. A vote on his bill, which now authorizes warrantless access to Americans' e-mail, is scheduled for next week.

Revised bill highlights

✭ Grants warrantless access to Americans' electronic correspondence to over 22 federal agencies. Only a subpoena is required, not a search warrant signed by a judge based on probable cause.

✭ Permits state and local law enforcement to warrantlessly access Americans' correspondence stored on systems not offered "to the public," including university networks.

✭ Authorizes any law enforcement agency to access accounts without a warrant -- or subsequent court review -- if they claim "emergency" situations exist.

✭ Says providers "shall notify" law enforcement in advance of any plans to tell their customers that they've been the target of a warrant, order, or subpoena.

✭ Delays notification of customers whose accounts have been accessed from 3 days to "10 business days." This notification can be postponed by up to 360 days.

Leahy's rewritten bill would allow more than 22 agencies -- including the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission -- to access Americans' e-mail, Google Docs files, Facebook wall posts, and Twitter direct messages without a search warrant. It also would give the FBI and Homeland Security more authority, in some circumstances, to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying either the owner or a judge. (CNET obtained the revised draft from a source involved in the negotiations with Leahy.)

It's an abrupt departure from Leahy's earlier approach, which required police to obtain a search warrant backed by probable cause before they could read the contents of e-mail or other communications.

So he immediately flipped from "must seek a warrant" to a new position of "doesn't have to seek a warrant and in fact can do even more without a warrant."

Yes, any limitation you place on law enforcement makes their jobs harder. We cannot sacrifice whatever small bits of privacy we have, though, simply to make their jobs even easier.

At some point you can make it so easy for law enforcement to investigate citizens than they can get around to investigating non-criminal activity. Like political speech the federal government doesn't like.

Posted by: Ace at 03:02 PM



Comments

1 And I would like to commend Dick Cheney for telling this shriveled old crook to go fuck himself.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:03 PM (vCK/R)

2 Sounds like it's gettin' on time to water the tree of liberty, or whatever them fellers used to do in the old days.

Posted by: Double Wide at November 20, 2012 03:04 PM (8qoXL)

3 But, G-d forbid, profile a Muzzie or ask a wet-back to show ID during a traffic stop and it's the equivalent of Kristallnacht.

Fuck Liberals.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:05 PM (vCK/R)

4 Unacceptable.

Posted by: Jaws at November 20, 2012 03:06 PM (4I3Uo)

5 Follow the money. What single act could do more to rescue the Postal service than this?

Posted by: tmitsss at November 20, 2012 03:06 PM (wSMCS)

6 And Nakoula Bassily Nakoula is still in the slammer for, a-hem, "parole violations."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:06 PM (vCK/R)

7 ✭ Authorizes any law enforcement agency to access accounts without a
warrant -- or subsequent court review -- if they claim "emergency"
situations exist.

Aye, here's the rub, mateys. This will bite all of us in the ass, if not careful. There is no limit here, if you squint your eyes and kinda hold the paper to the left side.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:06 PM (BoE3Z)

8 Damn Ace, next thing you know, people who post videos that aren't liked will be prosecuted....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:06 PM (da5Wo)

9 Looks like I need to start sending myself emails about how Pat Leahy loves to work the shaft and cradle the balls in case they decide to raid my account.

Either that or send myself naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine that they have to peruse while reading.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:07 PM (e0xKF)

10 Hopefully the House will kill it dead but I'm not optimistic. Strange days indeed.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 03:07 PM (RD7QR)

11 Didn’t something like this get proposed in the second Clinton term, too? Something to do with making sure any new private key had to be registered with the federal government.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 20, 2012 03:07 PM (QF8uk)

12 The Clapper!

Not just a CIA director but an internet kill switch!

(Not available in stores. For SCOAMF's only)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:07 PM (vCK/R)

13 We're so fucking fucked.

Brave.New.World.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2012 03:08 PM (UOM48)

14 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:08 PM (8y9MW)

15 Oh, sure. Ace already had a post in the wings so he could steal my thunder.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:08 PM (8y9MW)

16 Fuck the Fascists. Next we will have brown shirts and Nazis in the streets breaking windows

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:08 PM (YdQQY)

17 I said it at the time that the Bush Administration was pushing the Patriot Act - just because the party you support is in power, does not make an infringementon civil liberties the right thing to do. Now look at what that Act has brought upon us.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 20, 2012 03:09 PM (2zM0P)

18
Oh, sure. Ace already had a post in the wings so he could steal my thunder.Posted by: AllenG


Does your poat have star-points?

I think not, good sir. I think not!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2012 03:09 PM (ON54M)

19 Yeah.... and anonymous, those great proponents of Cyber Freedom.... are attacking ISRAEL?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2012 03:09 PM (lZBBB)

20 Aye, here's the rub, mateys. This will bite all of us in the ass, if not
careful. There is no limit here, if you squint your eyes and kinda hold
the paper to the left side
.


FIFY

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:09 PM (8y9MW)

21 Their agenda apparently - Rope,check - hang, check - self, check. Stalin would weep with pride over this spawn of his.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:09 PM (BoE3Z)

22 I fear this will not end well. What Country are we living in anyway?

Posted by: Infidel at November 20, 2012 03:09 PM (O/fK8)

23 9 Either that or send myself naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine that they have to peruse while reading.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:07 PM (e0xKF)

Helen Thomas working Michael Moore with a strap-on.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:10 PM (vCK/R)

24 Does your poat have star-points?

But, but, but...

*grumble*Ibethejustgotthembycopyingandpasting*grumble*

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:10 PM (8y9MW)

25 Is there a rash of judges not agreeing to sign warrants? WTF makes it so urgent to not have to jump through that hoop? Who was unhappy with current law that they had to write a new one?

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 20, 2012 03:10 PM (P2Ufm)

26 Fuck you, Leahy.

I'll be sure to start every email I send to friends and family from now on with, "First off, Fuck Patrick Leahy and Preznit Bammypants."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:10 PM (4df7R)

27 Subpoenas are prepared by the Assistant US Attorney without any court oversight at all. On a whim. Or whatever.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2012 03:10 PM (QKKT0)

28 Didn’t something like this get proposed in the
second Clinton term, too? Something to do with making sure any new
private key had to be registered with the federal government.

Posted by: at November 20, 2012 03:07 PM (QF8uk)

Yes, that was for the "new" digital cell phones. And they got it too.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:11 PM (YdQQY)

29 16 Fuck the Fascists. Next we will have brown shirts and Nazis in the streets breaking windows
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:08 PM (YdQQY)



Bloods, Crips, MS-13, SEIU, AFL-CIO, Teamsters.

What can Brown-shirt do TO you?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:11 PM (vCK/R)

30
18

Oh, sure. Ace already had a post in the wings so he could steal my thunder.

Posted by: AllenG

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Does your poat have star-points?

I think not, good sir. I think not!


Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2012 03:09 PM (ON54M)


So we're talking about Allen's poat now?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:11 PM (da5Wo)

31 What's the quote of the AoSHQ masthead?

They are rapidly approaching a redline.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 20, 2012 03:11 PM (X/+QT)

32 Wow! Big Brother really does love us!

Posted by: comrade fluffy at November 20, 2012 03:11 PM (4pSIn)

33 >>> Like political speech the federal government doesn't like.



But nobody has ever been thrown in jail just because they put an anonymous work online that caused certain politically connected groups to be upset....

CAN'T HAPPEN HERE!!!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 03:11 PM (0q2P7)

34 Is there a rash of judges not agreeing to sign warrants? WTF makes it so
urgent to not have to jump through that hoop? Who was unhappy with
current law that they had to write a new one?


According to the article, the original bill would actually have provided you better security. Then a couple of LEO groups complained.

As for who was unhappy? The police. Police hate having to get warrants. You see, they just *know* you're guilty, and shouldn't have to prove it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:11 PM (8y9MW)

35 Wait Allen has a boat?

Posted by: Adam at November 20, 2012 03:12 PM (/YJYi)

36 As long as they're not beating up clowns in the streets.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2012 03:12 PM (nkiQM)

37
"Sounds like it's gettin' on time to water the tree of liberty, or whatever them fellers used to do in the old days."

You just made the list, buddy.

Posted by: Pat "Don't Ever Call Me Francis" Leahy at November 20, 2012 03:12 PM (4I3Uo)

38 ✭ Fun with the interwebz.

Senator Leahy, go fuck yourself

Posted by: comrade ✭ fluffy ✭ at November 20, 2012 03:12 PM (4pSIn)

39 Remember the hue and cry from the left when Bush wanted to put stuff in the post 911 bill to allow cops to pull library records.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:12 PM (YdQQY)

40 I made sure I made a list somewhere -- Every time I got on the phone, for about 3 months, I mentioned nuclear weapons.

"How's your mom? Nuclear weapons. And your kids? Fissile U235."

Hell, I figure I am already on some list somewhere, since Nappy declared Tea Partiers potential terrorists.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2012 03:12 PM (ccXZP)

41 Democrats could help us even more if it wasn't for you republican obstructionists.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2012 03:12 PM (ZDsRL)

42 Everything the state touches turns to a solid gold bar!

Posted by: Sargent Hulka at November 20, 2012 03:13 PM (Kflw4)

43 36
As long as they're not beating up clowns in the streets.


Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2012 03:12 PM (nkiQM)

No no, there should always be a clown-beating exception.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 03:13 PM (RD7QR)

44 As for who was unhappy? The police. Police hate having to get warrants.
You see, they just *know* you're guilty, and shouldn't have to prove it.



Oh god, you just dogwhistled for MUMR to show up.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2012 03:13 PM (QKKT0)

45 I'm not nimble enough to find this to be a transitive taxing operation--because I didn't go to Harvard.

Posted by: Harriet Miers at November 20, 2012 03:13 PM (r2PLg)

46 And people wondered why Soviet Citizen Comrade so dour, humorless, and stone-faced... Oh, Soviet Comrade also carefully unsmiling in public.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:13 PM (BoE3Z)

47 We've got the TSA feeling us up, and I read somewhere recently that 1/3 of Americans don't have a problem with cavity searches.

I no longer recognize this country.

Fuck you, Leahy, and this entire Marxist administration.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2012 03:13 PM (UOM48)

48 My Pet Poat. I named him Pete.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2012 03:13 PM (nkiQM)

49 Guy Riding A Buffalo does not approve of this.

Posted by: Crashpanic at November 20, 2012 03:13 PM (62b6U)

50 What would you like to bet there's a part of the bill that says Moslems' emails are exempt and cannot be accessed by law enforcement.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 20, 2012 03:14 PM (P7hip)

51 How you like your gummint now, M-Clog? ✭✭✭

Posted by: F✭L✭U✭F✭F✭Y at November 20, 2012 03:14 PM (4pSIn)

52 I would think judges would not be happy about this. But since the courts have been packed with "correct thinking" judges, there will be no redress of grievance.


So, as we all sit in our homes and offices cracking wise about this, does the snark mask real fear about what this means going forward?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:14 PM (vCK/R)

53 This will political opposition reaseach a lot more lucrative in the future.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 20, 2012 03:14 PM (X/+QT)

54 IIRC, didn't Biden write much of the Patriot Act?

Great job, Dubya.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (CrJzY)

55 AllenG has a goat?

Is it slightly used?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (ccXZP)

56 Kill me now.

Check out the new pic and headline on Drudge.

Begs for an AoSHQ caption.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (UOM48)

57 With jug ears in the lead the Communists are taking over our beloved Country with out firing a shot!

Posted by: bigea at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (UlYmo)

58 As for who was unhappy? The police. Police hate
having to get warrants. You see, they just *know* you're guilty, and
shouldn't have to prove it.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:11 PM (8y9MW)
I wonder when people will cotton to the fact that "police" is a neutral designation - meaning they are what their handlers tell them they are?

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (BoE3Z)

59 2
Sounds like it's gettin' on time to water the tree of liberty, or whatever them fellers used to do in the old days.



Posted by: Double Wide at November 20, 2012 03:04 PM (8qoXL)

No worries. The Dems have chopped down the tree of liberty, sent it to the plant, turned it into toilet paper, and then had it delivered to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (Zd/NW)

60 I haven't done the math, but I'm reasonably certain the "fuck" per 100 words in the comments section ratio has risen dramaticly in the last few days.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (ZDsRL)

61 And thus the final coffin nail is put into "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

They already have access to your bank accounts... and Obamacare gives them access to all medical records...

NO knock warrants... and they have the ability to Search without a Warrant IF they 'suspect' evindence may be in the process of being destoyed...

The Constitution is meaningless....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (lZBBB)

62 Pretty sure Leahy isn't a special snowflake like SCOaMF and the Bidenator

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (4pSIn)

63 40 I made sure I made a list somewhere -- Every time I got on the phone, for about 3 months, I mentioned nuclear weapons.

"How's your mom? Nuclear weapons. And your kids? Fissile U235."

Hell, I figure I am already on some list somewhere, since Nappy declared Tea Partiers potential terrorists.

---

Another fun thing to do is to start randomly spouting word salad code phrases.

Example - "Jigsaw. Uh, fragment chief butter. King surgery mind?"

Any tactic like this is what would be called "jamming" in the TV series "The Prisoner"... forcing the authorities to wade through a bunch of crap in order to find real plots.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (e0xKF)

64 DRUDGE:

"I submit myself to the will of GOBBLE."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (vCK/R)

65 Let's not all get hysterical. The subpoena power is in the hands of the U.S. Justice Department. The one run by Eric Holder.

Oh, wait.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (QKKT0)

66 HaHa, I'll fool them. I'm going to put all my emails into draft form in my gmail and give all my friends the password.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (48+2q)

67 Just store your emails in your vagina. Easy peasy.

Posted by: wooga at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (J6WyW)

68 Fluffy's a big star now but still hangs out with us little people.
:=^(
So humble. So human.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (nkiQM)

69 60 I haven't done the math, but I'm reasonably certain the "fuck" per 100 words in the comments section ratio has risen dramaticly in the last few days.

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Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fucking fuckers.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (e0xKF)

70 @25 - Power-hungry fuckers, that's who.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (vg8iE)

71 So, as we all sit in our homes and offices cracking wise about this,
does the snark mask real fear about what this means going forward?


I didn't realize I was masking it.

This terrifies me. This directly violates the 4th Amendment. The Government, at all levels, is basically just ignoring the Constitution, and has been for quite a while. We're no longer a free people protected by our Government.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (8y9MW)

72 It puts the lotion on the starfish.

Posted by: General Zod at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (2+bRt)

73 Leaky Leahy?
Only a C.I.A. imbecile would use E-Mail for clandestine correspondence.

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (NIZHJ)

74
55
AllenG has a goat?

Is it slightly used?


Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2012 03:15 PM (ccXZP)


That's a pretty personal question. And I don't think AG has ever taken the goat through a TSA checkpoint, so it should still be fine.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (da5Wo)

75 I get that electronic communication is a different animal from the traditional pen/paper variety, but it is still personal communication. I don't care if it goes out into the ether before reaching its destination -- it is nonetheless a directed communication intended for a specific individual or group of individuals. When i mail a letter, the only thing keeping the contents protected is a flimsy envelope and the weight of federal law prohibiting tampering with the mail. How would retrieving my email/text message/Twitter DM from the "ether" be any different than steaming open the envelope on the letter I wrote to my sister in order to get the money order I sent her? It's still illegal interdiction of private communication.

If the police need a warrant to read my regular mail, then they should damn well need a warrant to read everything else I write that isn't on deliberate public display. It is not MY job to make THEIR job easier by ceding away my rights and freedoms. It is THEIR job to build a case that is strong enough to jusitfy a warrant WITHOUT undermining my freedoms.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (4df7R)

76 No worries. The Dems have chopped down the tree of liberty, sent it to the plant, turned it into toilet paper and tampons and then had it delivered to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..

Fixed that for you.

Posted by: Armando on the Armandophone at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (gjHBc)

77 So, as we all sit in our homes and offices cracking wise about this,
does the snark mask real fear about what this means going forward?

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This is a "If you didn't laugh, you'd have to cry" kind of situation.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (e0xKF)

78
I'm discrete, analog, piece work and work for a fee, pigeon to be exact.

Posted by: Carrier Pigeon at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (1PE/J)

79 Go ahead ... peak at my address book

Posted by: Bozo the Cop Beating Clown at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (wwsoB)

80 Two words:

Correspondence committees.

Posted by: General Zod at November 20, 2012 03:18 PM (2+bRt)

81 This would be an utterly outrageous infringement on Fourth Amendment rights if not for the fact that if you hold it up a certain angle, it sorta looks like a tax.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Still Growing In Office at November 20, 2012 03:18 PM (QKKT0)

82 DRUDGE: "I hereby declare this turkey racist."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2012 03:18 PM (UOM48)

83 From Drudge:

CHICAGO — Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn, former Gov. Jim Edgar and Chicago
Mayor Rahm Emanuel are among the political heavy hitters calling for
Illinois to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.




Stand by for a whole new host of vote fraud in IL.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:18 PM (YdQQY)

84 "Fuck Liberals."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 03:05 PM (vCK/R)

Not even with your dick.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 03:19 PM (GsoHv)

85 Fuck fuckity fuck fuck
Isn't that the Fuckin' Chicken Dance song?

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2012 03:19 PM (nkiQM)

86 78

I'm discrete, analog, piece work and work for a fee, pigeon to be exact.


Posted by: Carrier Pigeon at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (1PE/J)

Wait, you're both discrete AND analog?

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 03:19 PM (RD7QR)

87 Oh, and fuck the residents of the Green Mountain state with a rusty coal shovel for continually inflicting this totalitarian on the rest of us.

Posted by: Jaws at November 20, 2012 03:20 PM (4I3Uo)

88 Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Still Growing In Office at November 20, 2012 03:18 PM (QKKT0)

Too soon for a thread winner?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 03:20 PM (GsoHv)

89 Why is anyone surprised? What do you expect from Total governmental control?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 20, 2012 03:20 PM (R9579)

90 Encryption algorithms, do you speak them?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2012 03:20 PM (QKKT0)

91 As long as they don't look into my bedroom or my pot stash, the government wouldn't look into your emails unless you were doing something wrong, so you must be a criminal

Posted by: Lefty pounding a square peg into a round hole at November 20, 2012 03:20 PM (wwsoB)

92 Just store your emails in your vagina. Easy peasy.
Posted by: wooga at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (J6WyW)


Just don't try to get on a plane. The TSA will find them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (4df7R)

93 CBD, you know what this post needs?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (da5Wo)

94 My E-Mail is mostly spam from companies I deal with. I don't even read it.

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (NIZHJ)

95 Time to invoke Augustine of Hippo once more - "an unjust law is no law at all." Just another play on the (current) Fascist American Regime to intimidate and control what's left of us who believe in personal liberty. This is Fascism, pure and simple. If it's implemented, then what we do here, right now, would be very risky.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (BoE3Z)

96
92
Just store your emails in your vagina. Easy peasy.

Posted by: wooga at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (J6WyW)



Just don't try to get on a plane. The TSA will find them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (4df7R)


But only if you're white and at least a C-cup.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (da5Wo)

97 >>>Wait, you're both discrete AND analog?

Jokes only controls engineers get.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (0q2P7)

98 But it's the Republicans who are taking away people's freedoms

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 03:22 PM (1Jaio)

99 It's a white turkey. Obviously PETA wants it killed and knows Obama's in-step with that.

BTW, turkey = white = going to hell

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2012 03:22 PM (nkiQM)

100 Fluffy's a big star now but still hangs out with us little people.

Your only putting the minimum of flair in your comments.

✭ = ✭= ✭= ✭

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2012 03:22 PM (4pSIn)

101 >> Encryption algorithms, do you speak them?

Bingo!

Posted by: Andy at November 20, 2012 03:22 PM (5Rurq)

102 >>>"At some point you can make it so easy for law enforcement to investigate citizens than they can get around to investigating non-criminal activity. Like political speech the federal government doesn't like."

Yeah, that's already happening, I'm sure.

Posted by: Max Power at November 20, 2012 03:23 PM (q177U)

103 Whorehouse Harry. meh

Posted by: torabora at November 20, 2012 03:23 PM (j5ex0)

104 Tell Congress: Stay Out of My Email! https://secure.freedomworks.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=displaypage=UserActionid=533

Posted by: Nice Deb at November 20, 2012 03:23 PM (23log)

105 I am certain that congress will exempt themselves from the scans.

God knows, we don't want to know how many boy friends Barny has.

Posted by: sTevo at November 20, 2012 03:23 PM (wdthA)

106 Not only is this pure gestapo tactics, it'll be a wedge established between the police (who are supposed to protect us) and the populace. Another traditionally American relationship, down the tubes.

I'd say we need to write our reps about this, but there's going to be a flood of law proposals such as this in the next four years. Baraka is living a dictators wet-dream.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 03:23 PM (qnk1H)

107 At some point you can make it so easy for law enforcement to investigate citizens than they can get around to investigating non-criminal activity. Like political speech the federal government doesn't like.


One of worrisome things about the Petraeus situation is that the FBI apparently went nosing around in the emails without a warrant. I might be wrong on that, but I do recall seeing that this all started because Bimbo B whined about Bimbo A to her friend the FBI agent who then poked around the emails and went hey wait a second and then bingo bango it's a huge deal.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 03:23 PM (VtjlW)

108 Fuck the Fascists. Next we will have brown shirts and Nazis in the streets breaking windows

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Hmmmm. Black Friday may be a good time to get a great deal on some brown shirts at Wal*Mart.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 03:23 PM (hyB08)

109 PGP might make a re-bound if this stands.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (fCMdQ)

110
Slowly it happens, every day, a little here, a little there. Normalized to be assaulted to fly, normalized to have your email read, your purchases checked, your electricity use curbed, your medical options limited.

Then you wake up one day and you have no freedom at all.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (3BbLJ)

111 This terrifies me. This directly violates the 4th
Amendment. The Government, at all levels, is basically just ignoring the
Constitution, and has been for quite a while. We're no longer a free
people protected by our Government.


Posted by: AllenG at November 20, 2012 03:16 PM (8y9MW)

Perhaps if we had been more concerned about Article II at the appropriate time, we would not now be having to worry about the 4th Amendment. Welcome to communism people.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (R9579)

112 Begs for an AoSHQ caption

Heal. Heal.

Posted by: Rev. Ronster at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (nQMHQ)

113 Meh. I don't support this, but anyone who thought email is private was kidding himself. Hopefully our side is smart enough to avoid using email to plot rebellion.

Posted by: Reactionary at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (pAr6D)

114 ✭I am certain that congress will exempt themselves from the scans.

God knows, we don't want to know how many boy friends Barny has.

Posted by: sTevo at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (wdthA)

115 Vee vill keep u safe from your own emails.

Posted by: comradegov at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (Kflw4)

116 At some point you can make it so easy for law enforcement to investigate
citizens than they can get around to investigating non-criminal
activity. Like political speech the federal government doesn't like.


****

Like emails between a jealous bitch and the curvacious flirt she sees as a threat.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (piMMO)

117 Combine this with Obamas voter database and Uncle Sugar Santa will know who is naughty or nice.

Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2012 03:25 PM (fWAjv)

118 CBD, you know what this post needs?


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (da5Wo)You realize that I will eventually get banned for this shit.http://tinyurl.com/a8dtbnfVNSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 03:25 PM (GsoHv)

119 And, Alex the chick, the FBI also said at the beginning of the story being spilled just after Petraeus quit that she and Petraeus had done nothing illegal.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2012 03:25 PM (nkiQM)

120 The cops are the enemy. Pure and simple. They're thugs for the guys in power and nothing more.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 03:25 PM (3x3F6)

121 Please...please....please....fix the blog....please.....

http://tinyurl.com/a8dtbnf

VNSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 03:25 PM (GsoHv)

122 Wheenver I talk on the phone with my sister or BIL, when we get around to insulting the idiot in the Oval Office, I always make sure to say -- loudly and clearly -- "Yes, I'm talking about you, Obama!(insert insult here)!" For example, "Yes, I'm talking about you, Obama! You jaundiced fuckhead idiot! Hear that, Secret Service?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (4df7R)

123 Time to invoke Augustine of Hippo once more - "an
unjust law is no law at all." Just another play on the (current) Fascist
American Regime to intimidate and control what's left of us who believe
in personal liberty. This is Fascism, pure and simple. If it's
implemented, then what we do here, right now, would be very risky.


Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:21 PM (BoE3Z)

I have been thinking of curtailing my online commentary. Given the stuff i've been saying for years, i'll be "first against the wall, come the revolution."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (R9579)

124 I propose a coordinated mass email of Tub Girl to Pat Leahy's senate account.

Posted by: Dude? at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (YcXTT)

125 does this warrantless invasion of my privacy only limited to 'free' sites like Facebook and yahoo mail, or can they illegally stick their fat fascist snouts into my private paid-for comcast email?

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (8sCoq)

126 But remember...Libertarians tell me there's no difference between Romney and Obama

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (s8S6W)

127 CHICAGO — Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn, former Gov. Jim Edgar and Chicago

Mayor Rahm Emanuel are among the political heavy hitters calling for

Illinois to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Stand by for a whole new host of vote fraud in IL.


Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:18 PM

The hilarious part is when they say it'll make the roads safer because the illegals would have to buy liability insurance if they get a license

First, the assumption that they would pay the premiums after getting the proof of insurance card is hilarious

Second, the assumption that they would only have one license is also hilarious. If a cop asked an illegal he pulled over to see ALL his licenses, it would look like a 6 deck shoe at the blackjack table

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (wwsoB)

128 And we also have to remember that this past year, congress gave Dear Leader access to the intertube on/off switch.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (qnk1H)

129 >>>Encryption algorithms, do you speak them?


81e739f2dbf57d86e97308c54ee61de9

Posted by: MikeTMikeTheMoose has DES CBC 64 Hex at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (0q2P7)

130 Stand by for a whole new host of vote fraud in IL.


Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:18 PM


"Stand by" is the operative phrase, Vic. Too many among us who are heavy into the "oh, the Democrats wouldnever try shit like that! We lost because Romney...blahblahblah."

The Choom Gang doesn't really need to fill the voter rolls with illegals to win elections. They already have vote-tampering down to a science, as some of us noticed last week.

By 2016 they are likely to have laws on the books guaranteeing the Traitor-in-Chief a lifetime appointment.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (yKUrR)

131 @105 - Barney strikes me as a pump-and-dump kinda pig. No emotional attachment let alone "boyfriends."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (vg8iE)

132 I just put this on my FB page.....I'm on a list somewhere now.

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 03:27 PM (X6akg)

133 So what did B+rry's crew get on Roberts? What does he do in chambers? diddle Ginsberg?

Posted by: torabora at November 20, 2012 03:27 PM (j5ex0)

134 You realize that I will eventually get banned for this shit.http://tinyurl.com/a8dtbnf

VNSFW


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 03:25 PM (GsoHv)


1) I don't know who that is, but I'm going to remedy that situation;
2) Who the fuck would ban the guy posting naked pictures of incredibly hot women? I mean other than Gabe? (I KEED!!!)

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:27 PM (da5Wo)

135 Hopefully our side is smart enough to avoid using email to plot rebellion.
Or end all of your emails with smiley or winky-smiley faces.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2012 03:27 PM (nkiQM)

136 The cops are the enemy. Pure and simple. They're thugs for the guys in power and nothing more.



****

Oh geez.

Not this again.

Didn't we just do this yesterday?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:27 PM (piMMO)

137 does this warrantless invasion of my privacy only limited to 'free' sites like Facebook and yahoo mail, or can they illegally stick their fat fascist snouts into my private paid-for comcast email?
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (8sCoq)


--------------------------------------------


Sounds like pretty much everything.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 03:27 PM (qnk1H)

138 She needs a halter top or something.

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 03:27 PM (NIZHJ)

139 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (4df7R)

I usually say "cocksucking piece-of-shit in the White House."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 03:28 PM (GsoHv)

140 At some point you can make it so easy for law enforcement to investigate citizens than they can get around to investigating non-criminal activity. Like political speech the federal government doesn't like.****

Like emails between a jealous bitch and the curvacious flirt she sees as a threat.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (piMMO)


Another good reason to hate women.Leftist, regressive women, at least. And Honey-boo-boo types, too.

Join me on the misogyny bandwagon, fellow 'ettes! It's fun!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:28 PM (4df7R)

141 Maybe the bulldyke pegs him!

Posted by: torabora at November 20, 2012 03:29 PM (j5ex0)

142 or can they illegally stick their fat fascist snouts into my private paid-for comcast email?


The right to kill your unborn child = Privacy!
The right to be secure in your person, home, effects, and papers = unwarranted impediment to law enforcement!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:29 PM (8y9MW)

143 The sad thing is that most of the 47%ers think this is okay because like the government gives them like money and stuff.

I'm going to put "FUCK THE GOVERMENT" on every email I send from now on. If they are going to read my emails, I might as well have some fun.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 20, 2012 03:29 PM (ApUNj)

144 Hey there, just checking in to see who's interested in this story enough to comment. No big whoop. Carry on.

Posted by: 22 Federal Government Agencies at November 20, 2012 03:29 PM (w9AQ4)

145 Join me on the misogyny bandwagon, fellow 'ettes! It's fun!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:28 PM (4df7R)


I believe that the standard accepted punishment is nekkid photos.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:29 PM (da5Wo)

146 Hey, I didn't vote for Obama for this either! I voted to have a black man do basically what Romney was promising. But at least I'm still cool with my lefty friends!

Posted by: Susan Estrich at November 20, 2012 03:29 PM (I2LwF)

147 23: "Helen Thomas working Michael Moore with a strap-on."


It Burns!!!! Ay dios Mio!!!!

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at November 20, 2012 03:29 PM (BsGo+)

148 Yes, enough already. RICO laws that were originally used to target Mafia like organizations, were expanded to go after motorcycle gangs,drug dealers, etc. I'm all for grabbing and punishing felons harshly, but it seems like the government will typically and continuously expand their grasp above and beyond the original intent oflegislation.

Also, does anyone think Leahy would have gone anywhere within a thousand miles of this legislation under a Republican president? If it is an R administration, Democrats are the fiercest jackals shrieking about civil liberties, the injustice of any military actions, the horror of cracking down on society's true predators, etc. If Democrats are in power, they're not nearly so loud. After all, Obama and his minions can be trusted to do what is needed to confront and defeat evil.

Posted by: RM at November 20, 2012 03:30 PM (TRsME)

149 This is the one time I have to nod my head sadly when TFG and his minions exclaim "but Bush did it too!".

Hmmm, I seem to remember a certain group of citizens, widely hated and despised by both sides, making quite a fuss about this. That's right, the libertarians.

Miss me yet? Not really, except in comparison to TFG.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2012 03:30 PM (ccXZP)

150 ✭I am certain Congress will exempt themselves from the scans.

God knows we don't want to learn about Barny's boy friends.

Posted by: sTevo at November 20, 2012 03:30 PM (F+UYY)

151 Makes sense. "Your" email is actually a message to a third-person who then gives the exact same message to your intended recipient. Since you shared it to somebody--probably a corporation - who copies and sends such messages as a business, those records would be obtainable by subpoena, as a default position absent protective legislation.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 20, 2012 03:30 PM (3GtyG)

152 110

Slowly it happens, every day, a little here, a little there.
Normalized to be assaulted to fly, normalized to have your email read,
your purchases checked, your electricity use curbed, your medical
options limited.

Then you wake up one day and you have no freedom at all.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 03:24 PM (3BbLJ)
That's their long game. "Normalization" of oppression. You get the government schools preaching it's ok to the kiddies they get from the age of "what?'- 3- now? that the State is your real Mommy Daddy and they only want what's good for you. You get a complicit Media singing the same song when they get home, and then a set (snicker) of parents (snicker) to too cowed or compliant to disagree with the shit poured into their heads and - voila! - new Obot recruits for the Free Shit Army. Oh God, please, Let It Burn.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:30 PM (BoE3Z)

153 #136 most cops are in unions...don't lose sight of that ever

Posted by: torabora at November 20, 2012 03:30 PM (j5ex0)

154 Another good reason to hate women.Leftist, regressive women, at least. And Honey-boo-boo types, too.



Join me on the misogyny bandwagon, fellow 'ettes! It's fun!



****

I just can't get past the FBI taking up a case because one nutjob was sending emails to another nutjob.

Wasn't it determined that the emails weren't even of a threatening nature?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:31 PM (piMMO)

155 The Choom Gang doesn't really need to fill the voter
rolls with illegals to win elections. They already have vote-tampering
down to a science, as some of us noticed last week.

By 2016 they are likely to have laws on the books guaranteeing the Traitor-in-Chief a lifetime appointment.


Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 20, 2012 03:26 PM (yKUrR)

I can't wait to see how they are going to get around the two term limit!!!!! Probably be a war or something.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 20, 2012 03:31 PM (R9579)

156 Join me on the misogyny bandwagon, fellow 'ettes! It's fun!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:28 PM (4df7R)



Oh I've been there for awhile. Cookie? Mommy made them.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 03:31 PM (VtjlW)

157 >>>Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Disturbingly asymmetric.

Posted by: MikeTMikeTheMoose has DES CBC 64 Hex at November 20, 2012 03:31 PM (0q2P7)

158 Except nobody can see the DoJ emails, K? thxbai

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 20, 2012 03:32 PM (3ZtZW)

159 Oh I've been there for awhile. Cookie? Mommy made them.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 03:31 PM (VtjlW)


*perks up*

What kind?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:32 PM (da5Wo)

160 Sounds more and more like my decision to purge my Facebook account was a wise one. Once I get the notice from them that said purging has taken place (it takes 14 days? WTF?), I will create a new account and simply leave it dormant so that no spammer can use my name.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at November 20, 2012 03:32 PM (9SwFX)

161
And the right to read your mind as soon as Google has that perfected. It worked for Obama's data-mining campaign.

Posted by: MostlyRight at November 20, 2012 03:32 PM (w9AQ4)

162 Stop me before I have another thought crime!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 03:32 PM (hyB08)

163 Oh I've been there for awhile. Cookie? Mommy made them.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 03:31 PM (VtjlW)


Ooh, yes please!

Oh, and I bought throw pillows. If we're going to spend a long time on this wagon, we might as well be comfortable.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:33 PM (4df7R)

164 Anyone who proposes or cosponsors a bill like this should be immediealy brought up on charges, investigated by thier chamber, and then thrown out of office.

I know, I know.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 20, 2012 03:33 PM (X/+QT)

165 What the hell does the FCC need access to my email for? Wondering if I'm talking about stealing cable?

Posted by: Austin in TX at November 20, 2012 03:33 PM (hEk5C)

166 Patrick Leahy, the Stasi senator.

Posted by: NealK at November 20, 2012 03:33 PM (5dW+Y)

167 86
78


I'm discrete, analog, piece work and work for a fee, pigeon to be exact.




Posted by: Carrier Pigeon at November 20, 2012 03:17 PM (1PE/J)

Wait, you're both discrete AND analog?


Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 03:19 PM (RD7QR)

Hey, the Mine Enforcement Safety and Health Review Commission is on board, so count me in.

Oh yeah, and fuck those flying rates.

Posted by: Canary in the Coalmine at November 20, 2012 03:34 PM (Zd/NW)

168 >>>The right to kill your unborn child = Privacy!
The right to be secure in your person, home, effects, and papers = unwarranted impediment to law enforcement!

Well it arrived late, but I can clearly see 1984 is here.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 03:34 PM (0q2P7)

169
What the hell does the FCC need access to my email for? Wondering if I'm talking about stealing cable?

---

I don't know but Patraeus was laying cable.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 03:34 PM (hyB08)

170 Patrick Leahy, the Stasi senator.
Posted by: NealK at November 20, 2012 03:33 PM (5dW+Y)


Durrrrrr, whassa "Stasi?" 'Sthat a new reality show?

Posted by: The idiot yutes who are apparently our future at November 20, 2012 03:34 PM (4df7R)

171 rather chilling.

almost makes me want to toss the computer out .

hey, could we have the same rights?
ya know to read all their emails, and every govt get together and anytime they have a behind door discussion ?

why surely that is more appropriate than privte citizens rights.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:35 PM (hX8cq)

172 MEBBE I JUST WRITE ALL IN CAPS AND THEYR EYEZIZ WILL GLAZE OVAH N STOP REEDIN

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 20, 2012 03:35 PM (3ZtZW)

173 Sorry for the echo.
I hit enter three times, waiting for the screen to refresh.

Posted by: sTevo at November 20, 2012 03:35 PM (F+UYY)

174 i guess this type of behavir is why we will all just luv us some medical govt ..
all up in our wombs

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:35 PM (hX8cq)

175
In other news, second accuser against Elmo today.

Somebody better go check on Kermit too, he always seemed a little strange to me.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 03:35 PM (3BbLJ)

176 And the Republicans will go for this, because they go for anything with a law and order bent.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at November 20, 2012 03:35 PM (Od5/V)

177 willow @ 171: *hysterical laughter*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:36 PM (4df7R)

178 Remember the hue and cry from the left when Bush wanted to put stuff in the post 911 bill to allow cops to pull library records.

I remember having to write computer code to store every withdrawal from an elementary school library into a data base file. Like ten year old Catholic school kids were a threat to national security.

A weekend of my life gone down the shitter.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 03:36 PM (feFL6)

179 From Drudge:

CHICAGO — Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn, former Gov. Jim Edgar and Chicago

Mayor Rahm Emanuel are among the political heavy hitters calling for

Illinois to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.



Stand by for a whole new host of vote fraud in IL.


Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:18 PM (YdQQY)



Rahm was able to take time out from his brave crusade against vending machines for this. Never mind the people getting stabbed on Michigan Ave or one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. Illegals need driver's license. Illinois is neck and neck with California for total destruction

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 03:36 PM (1Jaio)

180 Just a thought,

Is this really about opening access to email, or a stab at killing off the internet giants who have been opposing government control of the internet?

Think about it... if this passed, any online email repository (gmail, yahoo, et al) would lose 99% of their customer base overnight.

Posted by: sdavis at November 20, 2012 03:36 PM (njVMI)

181 For any of you who haven't seen it, tonight would be a good night to watch a Kraut film about the Stasi in action, The Lives of Others.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 03:36 PM (hyB08)

182 I gotta go out and pick up my turkey and ham.

If I see one, single Obama sticker I won't be responsible for what I may do.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2012 03:36 PM (UOM48)

183 And all you little kiddies out there, be sure to tell Dear Leader if you hear anyone saying anything bad about him. Even if it's your parents or brother or sister. Dear Leader is never wrong and will reward you handsomely for every thought criminal you turn in.

Posted by: Marmo at November 20, 2012 03:37 PM (QW+AD)

184 Rahm scares me more than Obama.

He's meaner and he's smarter.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:37 PM (piMMO)

185 Think about it... if this passed, any online email repository
(gmail, yahoo, et al) would lose 99% of their customer base overnight.


To what? The same thing would affect your paid ISP as well. As far as I know, there's no one who guarantees that once your data is downloaded to your PC (in the case of received mail) or sent to its destination (in the case of sent mail) that it would be completely deleted.

So this is going to affect Comcast, Time Warner, ATT, etc.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:38 PM (8y9MW)

186 I hit enter three times, waiting for the screen to refresh.

I understand.

I. Understand.

Posted by: Joey B. at November 20, 2012 03:38 PM (4pSIn)

187
Rahm scares me more than Obama.

He's meaner and he's smarter.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:37 PM (piMMO)


Well, that's not really much of a hurdle, is it?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:38 PM (da5Wo)

188 Absolutely nothing wrong with this post-Nov 6.

LiB

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 03:38 PM (zpqa2)

189 Think about it... if this passed, any online email repository (gmail,
yahoo, et al) would lose 99% of their customer base overnight.


****

You're kidding yourself.

Most people will never even know the bill/law exists. Most of those who do will assume that it doesn't impact them because they aren't doing anything wrong.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:39 PM (piMMO)

190 I can't wait to see how they are going to get around the two term limit!!!!! Probably be a war or something.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 20, 2012 03:31 PM (R9579)


---------------------------------------------


Considering the political correctness that has festered to this nation's core, I doubt it. Most of the populace has been cowed into submission. There'll be a lot of whimpering, though.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 03:39 PM (qnk1H)

191 There are banana republics that treat their citizenry better than this. The hard part is to choose just one.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 20, 2012 03:39 PM (SDkq3)

192 182
I gotta go out and pick up my turkey and ham.

If I see one, single Obama sticker I won't be responsible for what I may do.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2012 03:36 PM (UOM4
Jane, Sir Paul McCartney, noted vegan, ponce, and twit, weeps for those poor animals.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:39 PM (BoE3Z)

193 Can you imagine Ace's comment section done by USPS. Half the shit arrives damaged and the other half doesn't show up at all.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 20, 2012 03:39 PM (9U1OG)

194 Idiocracy DVD for everyone this Christmas!

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 03:39 PM (zpqa2)

195 Can you imagine Ace's comment section done by USPS. Half the shit arrives damaged and the other half doesn't show up at all.

So sorta like now, you mean.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:40 PM (8y9MW)

196
If the police need a warrant to read my regular mail, then they should damn well need a warrant to read everything else I write that isn't on deliberate public display. It is not MY job to make THEIR job easier by ceding away my rights and freedoms. It is THEIR job to build a case that is strong enough to jusitfy a warrant WITHOUT undermining my freedoms.

You know what would be really nice? Some sort of overriding law, that all the other laws have to adhere to, all the time. And then, maybe some people to make sure that that overriding law would be upheld, all the time.

What could we call something like that? A Consortium? Nah, some word that would convey strength, like what holds up a building.

That would be a nice idea, and I heard it was tried once, but didn't last.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 20, 2012 03:40 PM (lOmbq)

197 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Posted by: washington nearsider at November 20, 2012 03:40 PM (fwARV)

198
195
Can you imagine Ace's comment section done by USPS. Half the shit arrives damaged and the other half doesn't show up at all.

-------------

So sorta like now, you mean.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:40 PM (8y9MW)


Dammit. Beat me to it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:40 PM (da5Wo)

199 Well, that's not really much of a hurdle, is it?


****

Not much at all, but I think he clears the hurdle by some distance.

He's also more brutal. BUT, he isn't black, so at least he has that going against him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:40 PM (piMMO)

200 *perks up*

What kind?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:32 PM (da5Wo)



Oatmeal raisin, chocolate chip and butterscotch.


Ohhhhh, I've got it! Let's all use Comic Sans aNd uZ tEh TeEnIe ThInG oF aLtErNaTe CaPs!!!!!!!


Gah. That hurt to type.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 03:41 PM (VtjlW)

201 Yeah, well, looks like my resistance to the order of LIB lasted all of about two weeks.

Fuck, probably won't have time to burn.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 20, 2012 03:41 PM (bxiXv)

202 71 Allen G,

well we're no longer a free people protected FROM our government b/c the moonbat militia wants to USE government to perfect the people....

anyway whichever...they have all our data going back ten years in all probability anyway.

Ever surf the net for saucy pics?

Bzzzt

ever research proper body disposal?

BZZZTTTT


I am in awe that Billy Ayers can openly advocate for 25 million dead GOP under FBI surveillance and having tried to kill US soldiers but free people have to be afraid of their government.

The bough is about to break I suspect.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 03:41 PM (LRFds)

203 There are banana republics that treat their citizenry better than this. The hard part is to choose just one.

---

Also, it's one thing when your neighbor's wife is sleeping around. It's another thing when it is your wife. It is difficult watching the USA turn into the third world. It might be easier watching it from some Banana Republic.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (hyB08)

204 Sounds reasonable to me.

Posted by: Stalin at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (6C2/D)

205 Never mind the people getting stabbed on Michigan Ave or one of the highest unemployment rates in the country.

I'm pretty sure it was IowaHawk who was wondering today which was higher, the number of couples getting married in that town, or the number of people being married.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (feFL6)

206 To what? The same thing would affect your paid ISP as well. As far as I know, there's no one who guarantees that once your data is downloaded to your PC (in the case of received mail) or sent to its destination (in the case of sent mail) that it would be completely deleted.

OMG.

O.M.G.

That's it. That's the point.

This has NOTHING to do with police or anything law enforcement related; all that's just a "bonus."

This is the government's heavy-handed way of FORCING people to use the g-ddamn POST OFFICE again.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (4df7R)

207 Where is the Thanksgiving recipe/cooking thread?

These fucking turkeys aren't going to cook themselves.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (ZDsRL)

208
Are there any free countries left? Can someone compile and post a list. I mean places with true freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom from intrusive government...yet not so unruly or incompetently ruled that they are safe and 1st-world? A place where a government is limited to enforcement of common sense regulations and laws, and nothing more? Can someone make me a list? Alternately, is there any place on earth some like-minded men and women could make such a place without intrusion from the U.N. or some other busy-bodied country, agency or organization?

Posted by: MostlyRight at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (w9AQ4)

209 193
Can you imagine Ace's comment section done by USPS. Half the shit arrives damaged and the other half doesn't show up at all.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 20, 2012 03:39 PM (9U1OG)


Also know now as Tuesday at the HQ.

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (X6akg)

210 would you eat a Twinkie that was hecho en mexico?


it would be funny if an American labor union ended up off-shoring a major American brand


http://tinyurl.com/c9c8tta

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (8sCoq)

211 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Spug the Law!

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 20, 2012 03:42 PM (4+LTj)

212 Oatmeal raisin, chocolate chip and butterscotch.


OMG. I can haz one?





Ohhhhh, I've got it! Let's all use Comic Sans aNd uZ tEh TeEnIe ThInG oF aLtErNaTe CaPs!!!!!!!




Never, ever, fucking do that again.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 03:43 PM (da5Wo)

213
Rahm was able to take time out from his brave crusade against vending machines for this. Never mind the people getting stabbed on Michigan Ave or one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. Illegals need driver's license. Illinois is neck and neck with California for total destruction


But he rules over all he sees. His lust for power keeps him warm at night.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 20, 2012 03:43 PM (lOmbq)

214 [font color='white']

Or whatever.

You can write obscenity laced rants in emails to Grandma in invisble ink, but the sniffers will detect. Overload them.

Or maybe Grandma accidently hits Ctrl+Shift+Ampresand and ends up exposing the whole thing.

My plan may need some work.

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2012 03:43 PM (4pSIn)

215 203 Walrus rex,

or some "backwater" beanthe the fed's loving embrace...

ie Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas' badlands Alaska....

just saying....


yeah I almost wish AlGore's wank apocalypse fetish was real....I'd go mine Antarctica.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 03:44 PM (LRFds)

216 Are there any free countries left?

As Reagan would tell you: no.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:44 PM (4df7R)

217
202
71 Allen G,
anyway whichever...they have all our data going back ten years in all probability anyway.

Ever surf the net for saucy pics?......

Well, shit.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:44 PM (BoE3Z)

218 Leahy scuttles his warrantless email surveillance bill After
public criticism of proposal to allow government agencies to
warrantlessly access Americans' e-mail, Senator Patrick Leahy says he
will "not support" such an idea at next week's vote.




ar cnet

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:44 PM (8sCoq)

219 >>>if this passed, any online email repository

(gmail, yahoo, et al) would lose 99% of their customer base overnight.


Hate to be the guy that breaks it to you. Since you have no presumption of privacy in a free account (Google and others flat out tell you they read your mail) it does not require a warrant to search. If you want privacy you have to either host the server yourself, or pay for it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 03:44 PM (0q2P7)

220 >>>Can someone compile and post a list. I mean places with true freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom from intrusive government...yet not so unruly or incompetently ruled that they are safe and 1st-world?

This is more of a "choose any 2" sort of thing

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 20, 2012 03:44 PM (3ZtZW)

221 210 would you eat a Twinkie that was hecho en mexico?


it would be funny if an American labor union ended up off-shoring a major American brand

---

I don't think there'd be much offshoring there due to logistical reasons.

Bimbo may own the brand, but they'll still be baking them all over the US for the most part to keep the product as fresh as possible.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:45 PM (e0xKF)

222 false alarm

Leahy scuttles his warrantless email surveillance bill

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:45 PM (8sCoq)

223 208 MostlyRight,

You can get pieces but to get as many as we had you'd have to go down the list of 'stable working economies" pretty far.

I used to mock the folk who raged about the bilderBergers...

I'm not so sure anymore.

Basically George Soros' crowd runs the planet.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 03:45 PM (LRFds)

224 OMG. I can haz one?


Yes. You may even have one of each. Because I am benevolent and shit.


Don't worry, I won't ever do that again. I don't think I could if I wanted to do so, a hemisphere in my brain is now on strike.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 03:45 PM (VtjlW)

225 Leahy scuttles his warrantless email surveillance bill After
public criticism of proposal to allow government agencies to
warrantlessly access Americans' e-mail, Senator Patrick Leahy says he
will "not support" such an idea at next week's vote.

---

Was he going to claim that the Senate had to vote for it to see what was in it?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:46 PM (e0xKF)

226 "You're kidding yourself.

Most people will never even know the bill/law exists. Most of those who do will assume that it doesn't impact them because they aren't doing anything wrong."
======

I'm not debating that, I'm just suggesting that the true intent of this bill is to stick it to big providers that have been an obstacle to fed regulation of the interwebs

Posted by: sdavis at November 20, 2012 03:46 PM (njVMI)

227 >Bimbo may own the brand, but they'll still be baking
them all over the US for the most part to keep the product as fresh as
possible.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:45 PM (e0xKF)

check out the big brain on Brandon
seriously, that hadn't occurred to me
let's hope Hostess is reborn in a right to work state, if it happens

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:46 PM (8sCoq)

228 >Was he going to claim that the Senate had to vote for it to see what was in it?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:46 PM (e0xKF)

cites 'public opposition'

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:47 PM (8sCoq)

229 This is the government's heavy-handed way of FORCING people to use the g-ddamn POST OFFICE again.

Which they'll then legislate is required to scan all packages (for explosives or hazardous materials, donchaknow), and screen make copies of all letters for law enforcement purposes.

D*mn. I need a tinfoil hat.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:47 PM (8y9MW)

230 Oh yeah, and fuck those flying rates.


Posted by: Canary in the Coalmine at November 20, 2012 03:34 PM (Zd/NW)

Fuck, this gas is building up down here, it was "flying rats", not "rates".

Posted by: Canary in the Coalmine at November 20, 2012 03:47 PM (Zd/NW)

231 219 Mike the Mosse,

Correct at most your prtection in such cases is limited to "ask nicely" so i don't communicate via e-mail in "bad ways"...then again I don't really communicate anymore.....

well here but I am so cryptic from what I'm told it is hardly "communication"

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 03:47 PM (LRFds)

232 If a Republican Preznit is ever allowed again afterthis new law takes affect, boy what fun we could have with the liberal's email accounts, especially in Hollywood. TMZ won't have anything on the Feds. This should scare the shit out of the liberals enough for it not to pass..

Posted by: Jaimo at November 20, 2012 03:47 PM (9U1OG)

233 I don't think there'd be much offshoring there due to logistical reasons.

Because of the tariff, sugar is cheaper in Mexico. Like, half the cost Hostess pays in the U.S.

I'd need to run the numbers on the shipping, but I wouldn't be surprised to find them using bakeries in Tijuana and Nuevo Laredo.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 20, 2012 03:47 PM (4+LTj)

234 222
false alarm

Leahy scuttles his warrantless email surveillance bill



Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:45 PM (8sCoq)
Well, he is a brainless dipshit, after all.Interesting that no one here denies the credibility/likelihood of this happening. I just assume it's coming - only a little surprised at the suddenness.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:48 PM (BoE3Z)

235 Who woulda thunk the Preference Cascade would be for LiB?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 03:48 PM (zpqa2)

236 227 >Bimbo may own the brand, but they'll still be baking
them all over the US for the most part to keep the product as fresh as
possible.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:45 PM (e0xKF)

check out the big brain on Brandon
seriously, that hadn't occurred to me
let's hope Hostess is reborn in a right to work state, if it happens

---

I figure they'll use their existing bakeries considering that there is too much capacity out there right now.

Failing that, they're sure not letting those fuckers unionize given what happened to Hostess.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:48 PM (e0xKF)

237 dedicated tenther... what is that satanic symbol on your twitter account

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:48 PM (8sCoq)

238 OT....

Remember the big Indy explosion last week?

They are searching for a white van which was seen in the area.

A few days ago they revealed that the family who lived in the house which exploded, had put the house up for sale for a year, but it never sold. And the family was safe because they just happened to be at a hotel that night. And, the woman's boyfriend has a long criminal history.

The couple next door wasn't so lucky as to be in a hotel that night.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:48 PM (piMMO)

239 Leahy scuttles his warrantless email surveillance bill

Link?

Also, here's my 1 internetz.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:49 PM (8y9MW)

240 Can you imagine Ace's comment section done by USPS. Half the shit arrives damaged and the other half doesn't show up at all.


But you could have ampersands.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2012 03:49 PM (QKKT0)

241 My plan may need some work.

Well you could do what the actual terrorists do. Photoshop, fill screen with black, text mode in white, foreign language, save as gif or jpeg. Make 'em blow every picture up to 4000% to look for text.

brb: half a dozen chevy suburbans in the driveway, banging at the door...

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 03:49 PM (feFL6)

242 i'm sure we knuckle dragging wingers are just mad because govt having rights to private communications from your bank to your doc to your spouse is just a great idea.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (hX8cq)

243 what is that satanic symbol on your twitter account

Hardly satanic.

It's a 10 pointed star. I'm trying it out for a while. I'm not sure if I like it or not.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (8y9MW)

244 "If you want privacy you have to either host the server yourself, or pay for it. "

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 03:44 PM (0q2P7)

I just happen to have a few email servers with redundant backups located in various cities. Anyone interested in "moron.com" accounts at $12.95 per month?

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (ZDsRL)

245 "Senator Patrick Leahy says he
will "not support" such an idea at next week's vote."



'Such an idea'? Wasn't it HIS idea? TF?

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (X6akg)

246 >Interesting that no one here denies the
credibility/likelihood of this happening. I just assume it's coming -
only a little surprised at the suddenness.


Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 03:48 PM (BoE3Z)

seriously- if they were going to snoop on my email, would they tell me? I assume they are already

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (8sCoq)

247 I'm not debating that, I'm just suggesting that the true intent of this
bill is to stick it to big providers that have been an obstacle to fed
regulation of the interwebs


*****

You are certainly correct in that things are NEVER what they seem. There is always some hidden agenda with those bastards.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (piMMO)

248 oooh heck that's right we have no-more private communication with our Doctors either anymore.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (hX8cq)

249 I'd need to run the numbers on the shipping, but I wouldn't be surprised to find them using bakeries in Tijuana and Nuevo Laredo.

---

Trucking them only goes so far from the Cali border and the Texas border.

For the other 2/3 of the country, they'll either have to make them locally or fly them up there from the Mexican bakeries.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:51 PM (e0xKF)

250 The Hill is reporting that Leahy is denying the CNET report. More troubling it is some republicans who want to have the rules weakened to allow for more access to e-mails. In other words they think Leahy's bill is does not go far enough to allow law enforcement to access e-mails...

Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the Judiciary Committee's top Republican stated: "I have heard concerns about this amendment from state and local law enforcement officials. These officials are concerned with the impact this amendment may have on law enforcement operations," Grassley said. "Specifically, I have heard concerns about how this could impact cases where time is of the essence, namely kidnapping and child abduction cases."

In Grassley wants the FBI to have access to our e-mails even more than Leahy! That is the "McCain Republican" senate for you...

Posted by: William Eaton at November 20, 2012 03:51 PM (rwioF)

251 238 NDH,

yeah the plot sickens....

so you decide "hey i need to celebrate replacing the thermostat in my house that has a leak(according to daughter's text) I know let's go to Rising Sun(a casino here) and we'll board the cat for the night....


oh and we're underwater and in arrears on the mortgage....

oh and we just happen to have acetylene/Lox unsecured in a blast box in a garage....

.........

yeah nothing suspicious at all

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 03:51 PM (LRFds)

252 If this is the only way the FBI can determine if Harry Reid is a pederast, then this is an infringement we must consider.

We must protect the children from Uncle Harry.

Posted by: Ryan at November 20, 2012 03:51 PM (t+HrN)

253 For the other 2/3 of the country, they'll either have to make them locally or fly them up there from the Mexican bakeries.

Windsor, Ontario?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (4+LTj)

254 Idiocracy DVD for everyone this Christmas!

I'd rather have a camcorder. That way I can shoot the sequel myself.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (SY2Kh)

255 We need to start using encryption as a regular practice. It's easy enough to intercept an email, but if they want a decrypted email, they're going to need your cooperation.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (Od5/V)

256
well here but I am so cryptic from what I'm told it is hardly "communication"

Confluence harbinger, array Sebulba. Then, later, invite gruel ala taste chevrolet?

Waka, waka.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (lOmbq)

257 So, how many of us have searched for or watched something on the internet that they wouldn't want their children, co-workers, or church to know about?

What would you do to keep it a secret?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (piMMO)

258 Bimbo may own the brand, but they'll still be baking

them all over the US for the most part to keep the product as fresh as

possible.

---

I don't know. Twinkie's shelf life is measured in half lives like radioactive isotopes.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (hyB08)

259 238 OT....

Remember the big Indy explosion last week?

They are searching for a white van which was seen in the area.

A few days ago they revealed that the family who lived in the house which exploded, had put the house up for sale for a year, but it never sold. And the family was safe because they just happened to be at a hotel that night. And, the woman's boyfriend has a long criminal history.

The couple next door wasn't so lucky as to be in a hotel that night.

---

Are arson-related deaths punishable by the death penalty?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (e0xKF)

260
245 "Senator Patrick Leahy says he
will "not support" such an idea at next week's vote."



'Such an idea'? Wasn't it HIS idea? TF?

---------------

Yeah, Tami...that sounds like weasel words to me.
He's not condemning "such an idea".

Posted by: wheatie at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (ICEh3)

261 fine, i wany every email of Obama's , van jones, rev wrights, pelosi, reid

bett midler, jon stewart, and better yet.

glenn greewald
Cause he actually might fight back ?

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (hX8cq)

262 I don't know. Twinkie's shelf life is measured in half lives like radioactive isotopes.

---

I'm thinking about stuff like Wonder Bread and so forth that is from the same product line but doesn't hold nearly as well.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:53 PM (e0xKF)

263 256 BB,

absolutely....


Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 03:53 PM (LRFds)

264 Are arson-related deaths punishable by the death penalty?

Might be one of those "deaths while committing another felony" thing that gets automatically elevated to a capital crime. That said: IANAL.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 20, 2012 03:53 PM (4+LTj)

265 Democrats 2001-2008 BUSH! PATRIOT ACT! HITLER!!!

Conformocrats 2008 + The government is a wise, all knowing entity that only wants what is good for you, so we should cooperate with them completely on everything they request.

Posted by: Shibumi at November 20, 2012 03:54 PM (z63Tr)

266
The couple next door wasn't so lucky as to be in a hotel that night.




Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:48 PM (piMMO)

And the woman's daughter happened to be at someone else's house....and their cat was boarded. Uh huh.....

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 03:54 PM (X6akg)

267 259 brandon in BR,

they are back home in ohio...dunno here.

It is definitely murder one though in my book...

these people are not rocket surgeons so they engaged in a destructive behavior blind....

they made a bomb not a fire.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 03:55 PM (LRFds)

268 >>>"moron.com" accounts at $12.95 per month?

You had to use the self deprecating name? You couldn't get TheHORDE.com?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 03:55 PM (0q2P7)

269 Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the Judiciary Committee's top Republican
stated: "I have heard concerns about this amendment from state and local
law enforcement officials. These officials are concerned with the
impact this amendment may have on law enforcement operations," Grassley
said. "Specifically, I have heard concerns about how this could impact
cases where time is of the essence, namely kidnapping and child
abduction cases."


F that. So you have a judge available 24/7 to hear evidence and sign off on a warrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 03:55 PM (8y9MW)

270 so you decide "hey i need to celebrate replacing the thermostat in my
house that has a leak(according to daughter's text) I know let's go to
Rising Sun(a casino here) and we'll board the cat for the night....


*****

If there's anyone in the world who has EVER boarded a cat for just one night, I would be shocked.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:55 PM (piMMO)

271 [an aside: "conformocrats" is my new way of referring to Democrats. You see, they used to be rebellious and against 'the Man.' Now they are complete 100% O-bots. However, that's a bit old, so I'm going with 'conformocrats' just to annoy all the baby boomer ex hippies.]

Posted by: Shibumi at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (z63Tr)

272 I'm thinking about stuff like Wonder Bread and so forth that is from the same product line but doesn't hold nearly as well.

I'm not sure Bimbo cares about Wonder Bread. They've already got lots of bread lines.

But then, they also have Entemenn's, so what do I know?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (4+LTj)

273
@269
its always for the childeren

Posted by: kj at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (AW9md)

274 267 259 brandon in BR,

they are back home in ohio...dunno here.

It is definitely murder one though in my book...

these people are not rocket surgeons so they engaged in a destructive behavior blind....

they made a bomb not a fire.

---

I said "arson" because the implications are that it is an insurance scam. Can't sell the house, so bomb it to get the insurance payout.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (e0xKF)

275 I'm thinking about stuff like Wonder Bread and so forth that is from the same product line but doesn't hold nearly as well.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 03:53 PM (e0xKF)

Snack cakes are easy to manufacture and ship from Mexico where there are no sugar tariffs.

Bread can be produced by contract bakeries (both union or non-union) around the country. There are plenty of them and additional ones are cheap to set up.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (ZDsRL)

276 oooh heck that's right we have no-more private communication with our Doctors either anymore.
Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (hX8cq)



I think I mentioned when my doctor was so proudly showing that she could choose bisexual for orientation and she checked the box for me that I replied "Thanks for outing me to the IT department, NIH, your billing department, various and sundry Federal agencies and the world when the dbase gets hacked". She was shocked speechless. I told her not to worry about it since I know what the fines are for non-compliance but I'm pretty sure I got my point across.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 03:57 PM (VtjlW)

277 want a job?

sorry youre a conservative , and spoke on a conservative site 3 year ago.

in fact you're such a bad influence your children cannot hav a job either, unless they swear a loyalty o the progressive party and squeal on you for not reading them a 'good' book one night last year.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:57 PM (hX8cq)

278 The Postal worker unions are greatly in favor of Leahy's proposal.

Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2012 03:57 PM (B5y+v)

279 >>>Democrats 2001-2008 BUSH! PATRIOT ACT! HITLER!!!

>>>Conformocrats
2008 + The government is a wise, all knowing entity that only wants what
is good for you, so we should cooperate with them completely on
everything they request.

I guess it's time for this clip.

http://youtu.be/gPuU8Pq9D3Q

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 03:57 PM (0q2P7)

280 I don't really count the National District Attorneys Association and the National Sheriffs Association as "law enforcement orgranizations". Consider that most of these people are elected officials, and I bet that the vast majority of the members of those organizations are Dems. These are two Dem front groups that the Dems always trot out as "Law Enforcement" endorsement.

Both of these groups need to be fucked with a rusty pineapple.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 20, 2012 03:58 PM (Zd/NW)

281 alex exactly!

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:58 PM (hX8cq)

282 So, how many of us have searched for or watched something on the
internet that they wouldn't want their children, co-workers, or church
to know about?

What would you do to keep it a secret?


Given that my search history includes (among... other things) includes lots of stuff like ".454 Casull vs .45-70 ballistics", I suspect they might be somewhat hesitant to let on about knowing.

Unless they're cool, in which case I've probably bored the shit out of them already about it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 03:58 PM (SY2Kh)

283 I've seen several references to the PATRIOT Act. That law didn't permit this kind of reach, or this new bill would be unnecessary.

Supporting that law doesn't mean you think the powers should be expanded any more.

Jus' sayin'.

Posted by: SARDiver at November 20, 2012 03:58 PM (YrgUc)

284 Are arson-related deaths punishable by the death penalty?


*****

I don't think it's the method that counts, it's the intent.

Surely they didn't intend to kill the nice couple next door, but they did.

One could argue depraved indifference, but, ya know.... they put the cat up for the night to protect it so....

Manslaughter?

What comes between manslaughter and murder?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:58 PM (piMMO)

285 On the fire bomb and the death penalty, that may fall under the felony murder rule which would make it eligible, again jurisdictional dependent.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 03:59 PM (VtjlW)

286 fgs.

a govt out.of.control.

and we go down with a hair pull and a whimper.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 03:59 PM (hX8cq)

287 What comes between manslaughter and murder?


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:58 PM (piMMO)


A defense attorney?

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 04:00 PM (X6akg)

288 A defense attorney?


****

touche'

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 04:00 PM (piMMO)

289 270 NDH,

the whole point of a cat is the low emotional upkeep and lack of anxiety to solitude....

yeah not saying "hang them" saying look hard...but still nothing suspicious at all...

HA

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 04:00 PM (LRFds)

290 What comes between manslaughter and murder?


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 03:58 PM (piMMO)


A defense attorney?
Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 04:00 PM (X6akg)



*hands Tami cookies*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 04:00 PM (VtjlW)

291 272 I'm thinking about stuff like Wonder Bread and so forth that is from the same product line but doesn't hold nearly as well.

I'm not sure Bimbo cares about Wonder Bread. They've already got lots of bread lines.

But then, they also have Entemenn's, so what do I know?

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It depends what pieces Bimbo picks up.

From what I can tell, there are three snack cake lines (Hostess, Dolly Madison, Drake's) and at least five bread lines (Wonder Bread, Nature's Pride, Merita, Home Pride, and Beefsteak).

Things like Twinkies may hold indefinitely, but stuff like Dolly Madison Gems (tiny donuts) go bad much faster than Twinkies.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 04:01 PM (e0xKF)

292 that was ( those were ) the nicest thing(s) I've seen all day, ChBrDil

Posted by: Isaac Davis White at November 20, 2012 04:01 PM (Dll6b)

293 Varney in fr Cavuto today.

Michelle Malkin up now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 04:01 PM (piMMO)

294 intent comes between woman-slaughter and murder ( morder in Svensk )

Posted by: Isaac Davis White at November 20, 2012 04:02 PM (Dll6b)

295 282 HollowPoint,

Quite...my posting mocking the Darlington Scenario at the AWC for example...

I am not a nut or rather I am not visibly a nut in public....often but I am not certain I want random democrat operative LE to have access to my inner thoughts.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 04:03 PM (LRFds)

296 Things like Twinkies may hold indefinitely, but stuff like Dolly Madison Gems (tiny donuts) go bad much faster than Twinkies.


****

My favorite, Zingers, have a rather short shelf-life.

I'll find out tonight how well they defrost because I have a freezer full of them.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 04:03 PM (piMMO)

297 270 NDH,

the whole point of a cat is the low emotional upkeep and lack of anxiety to solitude....

yeah not saying "hang them" saying look hard...but still nothing suspicious at all...

HA


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How friggin sick in the head do you have to be to resort to blowing up your house to try and get out of a financial obligation?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2012 04:05 PM (piMMO)

298
I see speaker trunkand comply time shoe over crunch haul - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 20, 2012 04:06 PM (lOmbq)

299 276 AlexTheChick,

or look one person who posts here intermittently knows me in real life.

I was close to him while in maryland and my life for the most part amongst true 'friends" is an open book but I am just as honest with Doctors.

"alcohol use" none currently started at 12 dry since 2000

"smoker" no used to smoke cigars

"drug use" took prescrition pills in teens suffer slight heart tremors in fight or flight mode

why?

It's my goddamned doctor and I want him/her to damn well know what protocols to use....

now....?

Yeah the oceans calls i need to ponder life in the USSA

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 04:06 PM (LRFds)

300 Someone has found a picture of Leahey in a dress, or a Klan robe. Or doing something nasty to children.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at November 20, 2012 04:07 PM (2VCZA)

301 How friggin sick in the head do you have to be to resort to blowing up your house to try and get out of a financial obligation?

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If they were a member of Congress, they could have just walked away and stuck the taxpayers with the bill.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 04:07 PM (e0xKF)

302 get back on the bus:

the email thing isn't dead-- but Leahy is denying he ever supported it

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 04:08 PM (8sCoq)

303 297 NDH,

not necessarily sick in the head just ruthless and indifferent to your neighbors...

you know a sociopath the new normal....

I want off this train no matter how big an asshole i may seem here I try to be human.

I am beginning to wonder if that is not voluntary weakness.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 04:08 PM (LRFds)

304 300 Someone has found a picture of Leahey in a dress, or a Klan robe. Or doing something nasty to children.

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Did he do any fund-raisers with Kevin Clash?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 04:08 PM (e0xKF)

305 I don't think it's the method that counts, it's the intent.
Surely they didn't intend to kill the nice couple next door, but they did.


In most states that doesn't matter. Arson is a felony. Any death which occurs during the commission of a felony is murder. In many States it is Capital Murder.

This means that if you rob a store and someone in the store has a heart attack while you're doing so, the State can (theoretically, at least) charge you with his murder. (That's an incredibly extreme example, of course)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 04:08 PM (8y9MW)

306 Is this the hill to die on?

Now? Is it time now? Is this, finally, the one?

What say you McConnell? Have your balls dropped yet?

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 20, 2012 04:09 PM (BAS5M)

307 cites 'public opposition'

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 20, 2012 03:47 PM (8sCoq)


When did that ever, EVER stop them?

Seriously?

Bet it ends up in another "omnibus" bill.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 20, 2012 04:13 PM (bxiXv)

308 Bimbo pretty much just wants the names and recipes of the products and not the factories. They already have factories that don't seem to be working full time, so they have plenty of capacity. All they will do is bake one brand for x number of hours, then switch the packaging over to Wonderbread for x numbers of hours. It is just like what Cotts Beverage does.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 20, 2012 04:13 PM (Zd/NW)

309 *hands Tami cookies*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 04:00 PM (VtjlW)


Ooooh....I love oatmeal raisin! Thanks.

Posted by: Tami at November 20, 2012 04:16 PM (X6akg)

310 The only thing missing from Leahy is the German accent.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 20, 2012 04:18 PM (4x8W0)

311

Elections have consequences.

Embrace the suck, and PGP.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 04:31 PM (QupBk)

312 I repeat Dick Cheney's comment to this ass!

Posted by: CarolT at November 20, 2012 04:37 PM (UyYYt)

313 It would be a lot easier to stop crime if we could just enter houses during the day while the owners are off at work....deterrent effect, you know.

Posted by: J. at November 20, 2012 04:55 PM (PoaQ4)

314 I sure wish more Republicans (and Democrats, for that matter) felt as you do. Since 9/11, there has been little or no national-level advocacy for privacy, save the ACLU. A pity and a shame.

Posted by: Jordan at November 20, 2012 05:10 PM (jRfn3)

315 Here's a link to a certificate authority that provides free encryption keys and certs for personal use:

http://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-products/free-email-certificate.html

Just google how to install an s/mime cert on your email program. It's easy, and most major programs (Outlook, Apple Mail, Thunderbird, etc.) support it.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at November 20, 2012 05:12 PM (Od5/V)

316 I love Big Brother!

Posted by: Winston at November 20, 2012 05:38 PM (Z/Rsb)

317 There are so many old commies in CongrASS, I'm waiting for them to stroke out. Too bad they have awarded themselves gold plated healthcare, but I will be satisfied with a debilitating stroke to render these traitors emasculated.

One can only pray.

Posted by: TexBob at November 20, 2012 06:18 PM (pUOpM)

318 The vast majority of the Repubs are just as bad. They would sign off on this in a heart beat as long it was phrased right.

Its a made up pretend game of us vs them and some people have not figured it out yet.

Romney is a conservative! Obama is a Socialist! Eeeww! Yeah right. Just like both parties are against deficit spending but somehow it miraculously continues to happen. Its fake. Its all pretend. Its all bread and circus puppet shows to keep us preoccupied with fake divisions.

Posted by: Poots at November 20, 2012 06:34 PM (gDytV)

319 Time to encrypt even more. Start encrypting your email, use Firefox or Chrome plug-in like HTTPS-everywhere, HTTPS Finder and VPNs like Hotspot Shield on your smart phones.

Hey Ace, why doesn't this site support HTTPS?

Posted by: Jeff at November 20, 2012 08:07 PM (7Ui75)

320 Meh, an election was held and this is what the people wanted and as H.L. said they deserve to get it good and hard.

Posted by: Oldcrow at November 20, 2012 08:18 PM (WxSk8)

321 Any Republican that votes for this is dead to me.

Posted by: Joe Bar at November 20, 2012 08:51 PM (qqkTJ)

322 Farmer Joe-Thank you for link to email encryption site, I agreed to it and am waiting for directions to install.

the people that voted for these fools deserve what they get, we don't. It is too bad we can't liberate conservatives from the commies and liberals and start a new country or split it.
Go ahead, Leahy, read my email if I can read yours!

It is too bad our generals do not know that one of the first rules of email is never to write anything you do not want anyone else to read.

Posted by: CarolT at November 21, 2012 03:06 AM (z4WKX)






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