Sources: James Clapper's Office Made The Controversial Edits To Susan Rice's Talking Points

We've suspected this for months. Now people are saying it was indeed Clapper. Actually they're saying it was his office -- the Director of National Intelligence -- and any of several people might have made the changes.

But I will stick with Clapper. He's proven himself to be a perfect Obama appointee, by which I mean incompetent and eminently malleable in his claims according to Obama's political needs. Furthermore, we are speaking here of the deaths of four Americans, including an ambassador. We are talking about talking points prepared by the CIA to be given to the US Ambassador for wide dissemination on television. And the US Ambassador was appearing on TV at the order of the White House (which I imagine means the President).

As very senior people are involved on all ends of this, I doubt very much the edit job was done by a convenient subordinate. I would imagine another principal-- Clapper himself -- made the edits. Either way, Clapper is confirmed to have reviewed the edits, at the very least.

As I've been saying, these talking points are negotiated. It is not the case that the CIA just hands out talking points and the Administration accepts them without challenge. Everything Bush wanted to say about Iraq or Al Qaeda was subject to a discussion between his people and the CIA about what the CIA would be willing to disclose and also what they would be willing to sign their names to, as the official intelligence finding of the United States.

The White House wanted the terrorism angle all but written out of the report, and Clapper was the man who did the editing, and then the CIA, to its great dishonor, signed off on this lie.

CBS News has learned that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) cut specific references to "al Qaeda" and "terrorism" from the unclassified talking points given to Ambassador Susan Rice on the Benghazi consulate attack - with the agreement of the CIA and FBI. The White House or State Department did not make those changes.

There has been considerable discussion about who made the changes to the talking points that Rice stuck to in her television appearances on Sept. 16 (video), five days after the attack that killed American Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens, and three other U.S. nationals.

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However, an intelligence source tells CBS News correspondent Margaret Brennan the links to al Qaeda were deemed too "tenuous" to make public, because there was not strong confidence in the person providing the intelligence. CIA Director David Petraeus, however, told Congress he agreed to release the information -- the reference to al Qaeda -- in an early draft of the talking points, which were also distributed to select lawmakers.

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An intelligence source says the talking points were passed from the CIA to the DNI, where the substantive edits were made, and then to FBI, which made more edits as part of "standard procedure."

The head of the DNI is James Clapper, an Obama appointee. He ultimately did review the points, before they were given to Ambassador Rice and members of the House intelligence committee on Sept. 14. They were compiled the day before.

Brennan says her source wouldn't confirm who in the agency suggested the final edits which were signed off on by all intelligence agencies.

If you can follow this: The DNI says it struck the references to Al Qaeda from the talking points because that connection was "too tenuous," but then stuffed it full of references to the YouTube video and a spontaneous protest, for which there was no evidence at all and in fact for which there was strongly debunking evidence. Such as the fact that no one at the consulate reported a protest all day long before the attack. What the reported was cops/security agents snapping pictures of the place, like they were casing it, and then a large coordinated attack, out of nowhere.

Posted by: Ace at 11:26 AM



Comments

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Posted by: eureka! at November 20, 2012 11:27 AM (UL+ny)

2 Toldjaso. Clapper's a big muzzie fan. Prolly got a nice account somewhere funded by the Wahabis. Just speculatin'.

Posted by: eureka! at November 20, 2012 11:28 AM (UL+ny)

3 They are all corrupt lying assholes. The good thing is that one day they will be burning in Hell.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:28 AM (YdQQY)

4 So does this mean they caught the Clapper?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 20, 2012 11:29 AM (tf9Ne)

5 Why is this even an issue? Obama gets to lie without consequence. We know that. So why waste pixels?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 11:29 AM (Hx5uv)

6 Let me see if I have this right: Kleptomaniac Claude Clapper of Cleveland clipped your clean copper...

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 11:30 AM (6H6FZ)

7 Clapper has been a dick and an incompetent dick for a long time. And if clapper comes clean it will end with clapper who will protect obama to the the end. This fuck obama is insulated better than most mafia dons

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 11:31 AM (79ueO)

8

Still barking up the wrong tree, I think.

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 11:31 AM (vczth)

9 CBS New

Huh? Something stinks here. This is something CBS could have easily buried forever...

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 11:31 AM (7zojM)

10 Just call me shocked. Lying C*cksuckers.


http://tinyurl.com/29lgdu5

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:31 AM (wR+pz)

11 >>>Why is this even an issue? Obama gets to lie without consequence. We know that. So why waste pixels?

Just noting it for future generations, when they wonder why America collapsed and then mutated into tyranny.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:32 AM (LCRYB)

12 People don't seem to care, and I don't get the impression anyone with the ability to provide oversight for this administration is going to do anything about it.

Truth seems rather irrelevant at this point.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 11:32 AM (TOk1P)

13 You know how Clapper made his money right?


http://tinyurl.com/7n5ld85

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:32 AM (wR+pz)

14 Fall guy to allow Rice to feign ignorance.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at November 20, 2012 11:33 AM (6gk77)

15 The Palestinian in Chief is the problem.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 11:33 AM (PrqJW)

16 CBS News has learned that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) cut specific references to "al Qaeda" and "terrorism" from the unclassified talking points given to Ambassador Susan Rice on the Benghazi consulate attack - with the agreement of the CIA and FBI. The White House or State Department did not make those changes.

The DNI is not part of the White House?

Posted by: toby928© Southern by the Grace of God. at November 20, 2012 11:33 AM (QupBk)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 11:34 AM (8y9MW)

18 Of course it is irrelevant. 50% of the country pay no taxes. 50% of the country lives off of the government on some type of payment.


And there is a LOT over overlap between the two groups.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:34 AM (YdQQY)

19 It's almost as if they knew they had fucked up and were covering their asses. But, of course, THAT couldn't be true, right?

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:34 AM (RD7QR)

20 Are we supposed to believe that he did this without informing his boss? And that his boss never saw the original talking points?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 11:34 AM (8y9MW)

21 @17

Is that the Allen guy that has a blog?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:34 AM (wR+pz)

22 Since he's here.....



Hey Ace, I've seen quite a few Morons asking for the Horde's opinions on various firearms. You and I spoke briefly a while back about a gun thread. Have the Stormfronters cleared out enough for that to happen?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (da5Wo)

23 Huh? Something stinks here. This is something CBS could have easily buried forever...

They didn't have to bury it forever. Only until November 7th.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (SY2Kh)

24 And thus... Obama LIES by telling the truth... it was indeed an Intelligence estimate.... from the DNI...

Of course, its HIS intelligence guy... the one in the White House who finished the 'estimate'...

Thus... plausible Deniability is ensured, and the Teflon Prezzy sends out Susan Rice, to KNOWINGLY Lie, with cover by a Politician in an Intelligence position.

Hey.... wasn't Clapper one of the guys suspected of the Earlier Bin L White House Leaks? And just where is THAT investigation at?

There are so many scandals, some are getting lost in the prop wash of the News Cycle.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (lZBBB)

25 The family had a lot of buffers.

Posted by: Willi Cici at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (QupBk)

26 Serious question:What purposedoes theDNI serve? We have the CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD, Homeland Security, and I'm sure a whole bunch of agencies, departments, and appointmentsthat serve the same function...why do we even need this office? The CIA can't work directly with the White House?

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (YsFN3)

27 Clapper is white isn't he? Be nice if someone paid something of a penalty for this. But then F&F didn't even result in a top level ATF firing did it? Oh well, the majority of the country just voted present while the idiots squeaked out a win for the "we will burn it down" party.

Posted by: Palerider at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (cQZV0)

28 I said Clapper was going to be the fall guy since the day that it was reported that the CIA did not order anyone to stand down.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (7vSU0)

29
Who refused to send help and why?

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (A3dIE)

30 Impact on Obama, Democrats, liberals in general: zero.

When the worst president gets re-elected in the worst economy, there's nothing that could happen that will keep him from seeking a third term.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (DuH+r)

31 19 -

What I don't understand is why they are letting it come out now? It's almost as if some event a couple weeks ago caused these people to not worry about such things anymore...

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (TOk1P)

32 The DNI is not CIA, he is part of the Executive Department. This was one of those worthless 911 Commission changes.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (YdQQY)

33 People don't seem to care,

Sad but true, I am afraid. We have 4 dead Americans and another one in jail for exercising his First Amendment rights and the collective response of the Westboro Baptist Media and the Keeping Up With The Kardashian public is a big ol collective yawn.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 20, 2012 11:36 AM (OWjjx)

34 They are all corrupt lying assholes. The good thing is that one day they will be burning in Hell.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:28 AM (YdQQY)----- Probably, but meanwhile not one fucking thing will happen to any of the players

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2012 11:36 AM (R8hU8)

35 Governement at its best. Create a new Bureaucracy to unite two other Bureaucracies, but instead just create a bigger wall between them. Then when it fails mireably, blame Republicans and raise their budget to "fix" the problems.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 20, 2012 11:37 AM (71LDo)

36 I don't care who changed what memo, Rice is still a blithering idiot for believing such drivel and repeating it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 11:37 AM (79ueO)

37 James 'The Muslim Brotherhood is a largely secular organization' Clapper did the edit? Well knock me over with a feather.

Posted by: flmom at November 20, 2012 11:37 AM (nSjrf)

38 26
Serious question:What purposedoes theDNI serve? We have the CIA, FBI,
NSA, DOD, Homeland Security, and I'm sure a whole bunch of agencies,
departments, and appointmentsthat serve the same function...why do we
even need this office? The CIA can't work directly with the White House?


Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (YsFN3)

My understanding is that the DNI was supposed to be the intelligence chief and clearinghouse, where all the strands from the various agencies gets pulled together. In the event it's just turned into another locus of paperwork, which was predictable.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:37 AM (RD7QR)

39 For your reading pleasure: http://www.dni.gov/index.php/about/organization

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 11:37 AM (QupBk)

40
They are all corrupt lying assholes. The good thing is that one day they will be burning in Hell.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:28 AM (YdQQY)




Yeah, but in the meantime those assholes are burning down my damn country.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 11:37 AM (da5Wo)

41 Welcome Mr. Clapper, it's nice and warm here, and you'll have plenty of company.

Posted by: The People Under The Bus at November 20, 2012 11:38 AM (JJ+PT)

42


And Juggy Bear flew off to fucking Burma, to hide.


But you know, Ambassadors are raped, tortured and murdered every day. Under Bush, 15 of them had that happen to them, same with Reagan! Guys were dying all over the place!

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunny at November 20, 2012 11:38 AM (uN9N4)

43 There are so many layers of lies in this story it has obscured the facts to he point where it's difficult to pinpoint the central fallacy that everything else flows from.

But I think it distills down to this:


SCOAMF cares about America, Americans and finding the truth.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 20, 2012 11:38 AM (aZ6ew)

44 @26 DNI is a creature of the post-9/11 world to break the walls down. Basically to make a single head of 9 different intel organizations.

Of course, that also means that all 9 sources of intel can be manipulated by the same person all at once.

Bug, or feature?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 20, 2012 11:38 AM (7vSU0)

45 I'm still trying to figure out how the administration knew about this video in the first place. It's almost as if they had orchestrated/planned the whole thing ahead of time.

But that would be crazy, right?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 20, 2012 11:38 AM (XjXIN)

46 It's a good thing anti-semitism is a thing of the past, or these pro-palestine protests could get ugly.
wait...

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 11:39 AM (PrqJW)

47 The reason I said burning in hell is because there will be noting done to any of these corrupt assholes. Elections have consequences.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:39 AM (YdQQY)

48 Clapper makes the perfect fall guy for a post-modern media age. Most Americans, as we've learned to our chagrin, our low-information voters. Now that the election is over, they are no-information non-voters. How many people even know who Clapper is? How many people even know we have such a thing as a Director of National Intelligence? All that matters is the plausible deniability of the White House and Obama.

And, because no one knows who Clapper is, and no one understands the issue very well, and because time passes, and because it's about to be the Thanksgiving weekend, look for this news to be crystallized by, oh, Wednesday afternoon at 5:00 pm (when no one is watching), and then be dismissed as old news by Monday.

Mmmmm.... turkey! What's this I hear about some guy named Crapper? Mmmmm... pie!

Posted by: The Regular Guy at November 20, 2012 11:39 AM (qHCyt)

49 Of course, that also means that all 9 sources of intel can be manipulated by the same person all at once.



Bug, or feature?



Posted by: Golan Globus at November 20, 2012 11:38 AM (7vSU0)


Depends on your perspective.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 20, 2012 11:39 AM (da5Wo)

50 Where did they even get the idea to blame it on the video...Al Qaeda?

Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2012 11:39 AM (FcR7P)

51 11 no, it's Bush's fault will all that will be written to explain the collapse

Posted by: just L at November 20, 2012 11:39 AM (0PiQ4)

52 When the worst president gets re-elected in the
worst economy, there's nothing that could happen that will keep him from
seeking a third term.


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (DuH+r)

Well, there's that pesky 22nd Amendment thingy...

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:39 AM (RD7QR)

53 Apologist for savages.

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 11:39 AM (NIZHJ)

54 "Sorry, we didn't tell your insurance company your house was burned down by an arsonist. We didn't know who it was at the time so we just chalked it up to a loose wire. Our bad. ;..( "

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2012 11:40 AM (ON54M)

55 Impeach the bastards

Posted by: metaphysical riboflavin at November 20, 2012 11:40 AM (uFY4s)

56 Well, there's that pesky 22nd Amendment thingy...

A proposed amendment to repeal it was submitted to the House in January 2009. Thank God Nancy Pelosi is so fucking incompetent, eh?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 11:40 AM (ZKzrr)

57 I understand that the Obama admin., OFA and the MSM (whatever slight differences there are between those 3 entities) has put out enough b.s. and conflicting reports that people are likely to believe anything that sounds reasonable now. BUT two things everyone seems to be missing:

1. Obama made the UN Ambassador a cabinet position, separate from State. Susan Rice has own team of intel briefers who had access to ALL the information; and
2. Hillary Clinton affirmed in an interview right after Biden's claim at the VP debate that "we didn't know"that Rice had access to the same information that ALL senior level members of the administration did.

So you'd have to be extremely naive, willfully ignorant or completely oblivious to believe Rice *only* had access to "talking points" altered by Clapper (IF he did in fact alter them, which I doubt, because why did it take more than a month to figure it out?). Of course, as the results of the election just proved, a majority of people seem to be some combo of those three adjectives.

Posted by: angienc at November 20, 2012 11:40 AM (w3JGl)

58 The DNI is not part of the White House?
Remember that the fundamental argument that this WH makes every time is that the President has no control over his executive appoitees. It's never his fault because it's his subordinates who make the bad decisions. That only works if he's so weak that he has no way of controlling their actions.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 11:40 AM (3x3F6)

59 Just noting it for future generations, when they wonder why America collapsed and then mutated into tyranny.


---

I have actually had the thought that our bet move at this point is to witness and to document. Considering that we haven't had a budget for four years, that the new Chairperson of the Senate Budget Committee has made it clear that she has no interest in having a budget, and that our secretary of the Treasury says that there should be no debt limit and all of this in the context of lowering credit ratings and unsustainable spending, I'd venture to say that we're as crazy as the Nazis, not as evil (at least not yet) but just as crazy as the Nazis. We may be powerless but we can witness and perhaps, someday, a reckoning can be had.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 11:40 AM (Hx5uv)

60 Truth matters, even if it is suppressed, even if it of no use to our immediate goals.
Ultimately, truth matters more than anything else.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (C8mVl)

61 Well, there's that pesky 22nd Amendment thingy...

True, I had forgotten how much respect the administration has for the Constitution. They'd never go around that!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (DuH+r)

62 Anyone that thinks Clapper will endure even the slightest inconvenience over this is delusional

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (R8hU8)

63 @22

40 cal Glock best for carry, although a nice SW 38 special is good, only 5 rounds or a 9mm, or a 45, an old favorite. Then my new favorite, FN 556 x28, 20 rounds and light. Nice cheap 410 pump for home protection. Now if we are going any further on this, like best pocket gun, Seacamp 380, or best long range rife, Rem 700 308 or cheapest ammo, 12 ga riot gun, see Moseburg, then the thread could be very long.

This is the Cliff notes on what you need.


Here all day, news at 11.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (wR+pz)

64 Well, there's that pesky 22nd Amendment thingy...
I fully expect the left to start demanding that it be overturned.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (3x3F6)

65 That only works if he's so weak that he has no way of controlling their actions.

In which case he should be impeached for shear incompetence.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (8y9MW)

66 52 as if the constitution ever stopped anybody. It hasn't mattered since Alexander hamilton

Posted by: metaphysical riboflavin at November 20, 2012 11:42 AM (uFY4s)

67
Truth seems rather irrelevant at this point. Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 11:32 AM (TOk1P)


Outrage, as well. My give-a-shitter broke. If there was something we could do about it that would be different.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 20, 2012 11:42 AM (xXhWA)

68
Truth matters, even if it is suppressed, even if it of no use to our immediate goals.

Ultimately, truth matters more than anything else.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (C8mVl)


Hahahaha. Sure it does sweetie.

Posted by: Every Male Kennedy Ever at November 20, 2012 11:42 AM (da5Wo)

69 61
Well, there's that pesky 22nd Amendment thingy...

True, I had forgotten how much respect the administration has for the Constitution. They'd never go around that!


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (DuH+r)

I'm thinking that would be a litmus test; if nobody who matters squawked when the SCAOMF ran for a third term, the Republic would be over.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:42 AM (RD7QR)

70 The best thing that could come of all this is if we could launch an endless series of hearings and investigations, forcing the regime to respond and forcing at least some comment from the Media.
The distraction might obstruct the junta from going full speed ahead with the destruction of America - who knows, maybe only half-speed.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (BoE3Z)

71 Where are the 30 people said to be rescued by the seals on that night ...? Why can't we hear their story?

Posted by: ET at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (s72/N)

72 Obama made the UN Ambassador a cabinet position, separate from State.
Susan Rice has own team of intel briefers who had access to ALL the
information; and



I refuted that the last time it came up. UN Ambassador is NOT a cabinet position. Not only that, but he can not make it one because that is controlled by federal law which requires a new law be passed to make it so.


He can call it a cabinet position, but it is not. I can call my cat macaroni as the song goes, but he is still a cat.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (YdQQY)

73 The DNI basically does what the Director of the CIA used to do, as far as being the top dog of the intelligence clearinghouse effort. Everything flowed to DCI and the DCI flowed it to the White House.

Since the dual hat role caused tensions with all the other petty kingdoms (FBI, DIA, NSA, etc) who were bugetary rivals, they decided that the answer was moar bureaucracy. And here we are.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (27tUc)

74 I am no longer content sitting with the "Let It Burn" camp.

I am now moving over to "Burn It The Fuck Down!" camp.

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (GQ8sn)

75 If you can follow this: The DNI says it struck the references to Al Qaeda from the talking points because that connection was "too tenuous," but then stuffed it full of references to the YouTube video and a spontaneous protest, for which there was no evidence at all and in fact for which there was strongly debunking evidence.

Ace, the thing is, the article does not even mention the video. This story has effectively been neutered. It's now about the difference between the words "terrorists" and "extremists." This article is meant to clear Rice.

The media and the White House got what it wanted: 1. delay until after the election, and 2. focus on semantics, not the elephant in the room, which is the fact that the US government spent days and days pointing fingers at an obscure filmmaker, who was hauled off to jail.

What about the pleas for help? The lack of security? The whole youtube lie? When Romney chose to make it all about the word "terroism" in that second debate, the White House won.

Posted by: CJ at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (9KqcB)

76 The best weapon is one you are able and willing to use, be it a .22, a 12ga or .50.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (QupBk)

77 Every day I'm more certain that getting out of the Army was the right thing to do.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (3x3F6)

78 Sorry, we didn't tell your insurance company your house was burned down by an arsonist.

Heh. My money was on "meth lab" but "insurance fraud" is making a strong showing down the stretch. http://is.gd/ieBnlq

Investigators seem to have been tipped off by the cat.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (ZKzrr)

79 So DNI is part of the propaganda branch? Only a moron (not the good kind) would think they could skate the terrorist connection as tenuous in favor of some idiot's video. It was 911 for gosh sakes.

Posted by: dogfish at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (NuPNl)

80 The ends justify the means baby. Power at all costs.

Posted by: California Red at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (icSBv)

81 He stretched the truth so badly it gave the constitution stretch marks

Posted by: metaphysical riboflavin at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (uFY4s)

82 Clapper may have not actually heard about Benghazi yet.

Posted by: Adam on the road home. at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (hoKv+)

83 Well, there's that pesky 22nd Amendment thingy...

I fully expect the left to start demanding that it be overturned.


They started before he was even sworn in.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (ZKzrr)

84 No, really, cons... we're on this one. {catches breath and wipes tears}

Posted by: The MSM at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (6C2/D)

85 If it wasn't for the SEALS, I would completely not give a shit on Benghazi - some commenter along the line said something to the effect "homo Obama supporter and appointee gets killed by failure of Obama, why should I care?" I mean Steven's family is cool with it, why should I care?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 20, 2012 11:45 AM (7vSU0)

86 *"terrorism"

Posted by: CJ at November 20, 2012 11:45 AM (9KqcB)

87 I'm thinking that would be a litmus test; if nobody who matters squawked when the SCAOMF ran for a third term, the Republic would be over.
If he announced that he was running for a third term, it would be justification for armed insurrection.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 11:45 AM (3x3F6)

88 Everyone knows the Benghazi attack was because of the video. Read a newspaper.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at November 20, 2012 11:45 AM (x9s9/)

89 It stinks to high heaven. People died. Other people need to suffer justice, maybe even raging justice for this.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (9dIqT)

90 63 -

Best weapon is the one that fits your hand. If that is a big honking 45, great. If you need a revolver (and there are reasons why some people would), just make sure you can reach the trigger with the grip sitting in the fat part of your hand.

Worst thing that can happen is you have a weapon that flies out of control after the first round is fired.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (TOk1P)

91 58,720,700 voters don't care

Posted by: Jimmy at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (sE2Tc)

92 That .50 cal is rather obvious at the Kroger when it's Summertime.

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (NIZHJ)

93 >>>Hey Ace, I've seen quite a few Morons asking for the Horde's opinions on various firearms. You and I spoke briefly a while back about a gun thread. Have the Stormfronters cleared out enough for that to happen?

yeah sounds good. Tomorrow sounds like a good day. Tomorrow always sounds like a good day.

/chandler

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (LCRYB)

94 74
I am no longer content sitting with the "Let It Burn" camp.

I am now moving over to "Burn It The Fuck Down!" camp.



Steady now, Big Sis's people read our shit here, AND I am NOT KIDDING.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (wR+pz)

95 People don't seem to care

The 51% doesn't care about foreign policy, or inflation, or deficits, etc....

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (SDkq3)

96 77
Every day I'm more certain that getting out of the Army was the right thing to do.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (3x3F6)

Yes, it probably saved you from the strain of having Barky for a CiC, and maybe even having to decide whether or not to disobey an illegal order.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (RD7QR)

97 Yeah, this doesn't change the fact that Hillary requested security for the place because it was dangerous and was denied.


There is only one person who can deny the SOS a request, and it isn't the DNI.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (YdQQY)

98 . Nice cheap 410 pump for home protection. Now if we
are going any further on this, like best pocket gun, Seacamp 380, or
best long range rife, Rem 700 308 or cheapest ammo, 12 ga riot gun, see
Moseburg, then the thread could be very long.
This is the Cliff notes on what you need.
Here all day, news at 11.
Posted by: Billy Bob,


0.410? Isn't that a little small for home def? Why not a 20 gauge?

I assume Moseburg is a fellow who sells Mossberg shottys, yes?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (ON54M)

99 They started before he was even sworn in.
Yup, and they'll do it again. Remember when the media tried pushing the "we need a Prime Minister!" line back in 2008? Expect that as well.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (3x3F6)

100 >> /chandler

You know how I know you are gay?

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (PrqJW)

101 Burn the Jews with chlorine gas

Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 11:48 AM (uFY4s)

102 92
That .50 cal is rather obvious at the Kroger when it's Summertime.


Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (NIZHJ)

No one is going to shot a 50 cal more than once. It will knock you over. It is too expensive and you can not hit shit with a 50 cal pistol and you sure as hell aren't going to drag around a 50 rife.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:48 AM (wR+pz)

103 If he announced that he was running for a third term, it would be justification for armed insurrection.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2012 11:45 AM (3x3F6)
Actually, that's arguably true. But then - he could declare martial law, and we could have another first - a state of emergency and the suspension of the Constitution for the duration of the crisis. Let It Burn - wait -it's already started?

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 11:48 AM (BoE3Z)

104 no way chandler's awesome.

you know I mean Raymond Chandler and not Chandler Bing from friends, right?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:48 AM (LCRYB)

105 As very senior people are involved on all ends of this, I doubt very much the edit job was done by a convenient subordinate.


Oh, I bet the actual edits were done by a convenient subordinate.


Several years ago, there was a lawyer in town who always, always knew what the rulings were from a certain judge first. Everyone figured he was just some kind of genius who knew how the judge thought. Turns out that he was fucking the judge's secretary who simply called him up and told him what she was typing.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 11:48 AM (VtjlW)

106 85, Golan
If it wasn't for the SEALs there would likely be 30 dead or captive CIA and State personnel. By disobeying orders and sacrificing their lives they saved the Obama admin.



Posted by: Brian at November 20, 2012 11:48 AM (kFeuD)

107 Well, there's that pesky 22nd Amendment thingy... Whatever, the Constitution is like a living, breathing transgendered document just asking to be changed!!!

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 20, 2012 11:49 AM (YsFN3)

108 >>not Chandler Bing from friends

Nice save.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 11:49 AM (PrqJW)

109 No one is going to shot a 50 cal more than once. It
will knock you over. It is too expensive and you can not hit shit with a
50 cal pistol and you sure as hell aren't going to drag around a 50
rife.



Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:48 AM (wR+pz)

I don't know about that. I used to shoot a .44 Magnum hot loaded to max pressure without any problems.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:49 AM (YdQQY)

110 OK, next question(s): why didn't the DNI, Clapper, et al come out and say they were the ones who gave her the talkng points right after Obama said at the debate that he did accuse terrorists of this attack? Why did we need an investigation to find this out? Why was it a big secret? Why did they feel this was necessary in the first place? What is wrong with publicly naming our enemies when they attack us? Do they feel any remorse or gulit about putting this on the back of a US citizen/ Will they now petition for his release? Will they protect him? Does he have a right to sue for damages? Just saying...

Posted by: mikez at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (vmyXX)

111 I started talking about Obama running for a third (and fourth and fifth) term right after he won in 2008. I've always had this vision of Moochelle giving a speech about it and saying we need more than 8 years to fix the problems of the first 200+ years blah blah blah. My guess is that Obama first packs the S.Ct. and then offers a "creative" interpretation of the Constitution blah blah blah. Sad thing is, he'd probably win in 2016. Too many people want a dictator. Unfuckingbelievable, but there you have it.

Posted by: Prescient at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (x9s9/)

112 I just want to go on record for the interwebs posterity and write, "I trust the government implicitly".

There. Man has no bent toward evil. None what so ever.

Posted by: gw mclintock at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (eprOL)

113 Throw napalm on their children

Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (uFY4s)

114 If it wasn't for the SEALs there would likely be 30 dead or captive CIA and State personnel.>>

Why haven't we heard a peep from any of them yet? Are they vacationing in Gitmo?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (tf9Ne)

115 102 -

Two words: swivel turret mounting.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (TOk1P)

116 hey everyone garrett watches Friends. His favorite episode is The One With The Snarky Lines.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (LCRYB)

117 Actually, that's arguably true. But then - he could declare martial law

Doubt he could do that after declaring himself El Preezy for a third term. Any order coming after that would be unlawful which would give the armed forces cause to depose him.

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (GQ8sn)

118 >>>Impeach the bastards

Yes I'm up for some Kabuki Theater, why not. House impeaches, Senate Acquits, Rinse, Repeat, maybe with a dance number in there someplace. Like O prancing like a Peacock as he repeatedly walks out of the Senate exonerated by his caucus.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (0q2P7)

119 Isn't Clapper the guy that needed that drunken bimbo Diane Sawyer to inform him about a terrorist attempt in the UK a while back?

Clapp on/Clapp off

......THE CLAPPER

Posted by: ontherocks at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (aZ6ew)

120 It won't matter to the loons who voted for more crappy government. They could have had pictures of Barry himself throwing a grenade and they wouldn't care. So they need to learn the hard way. LIFB.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (xFbCd)

121 >>you can not hit shit with a 50 cal pistol

So says the sitzpinkel.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (SDkq3)

122 Garrett cried when Rachel dumped Ross.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (LCRYB)

123 20
Are we supposed to believe that he did this without informing his boss? And that his boss never saw the original talking points?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 11:34 AM

In a word yes. Basically Obama is never informed about anything of importance. Unless the outcome is already known like the killing of Osama. And tee time. Obama is informed about tee time.

Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (hl8SI)

124 Nice to know who is responsible for what they left out. What about what they put in? Blaming the whole thing on a video that had nothing to do with it. Making a private person the guilty one here. Who was responsible for the intelligence that said there was a demonstration when there clearly wasn't?

Posted by: Paul at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (i2xLO)

125 Regardless, I'm going to protest.
The fact you know 'Chandler' from Friends last name is sufficient.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (PrqJW)

126 @29


Who refused to send help and why?

and where are the survivors of the attack? Freaking Gitmo?


Clapper changed the lies in the propaganda script, fine.

Where are the WITNESSES?

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (EZl54)

127 Garrett's favorite band is "The Rembrandts."

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (LCRYB)

128 Lets make all liberals watch Helen thomas do a strip tease

Posted by: metaphysical riboflavin at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (uFY4s)

129 Burn the mutha down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M

Posted by: LIB a ration at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (JJ+PT)

130 Sometimes Garrett pays homeless people to dance in fountains with him.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (LCRYB)

131 Where are the WITNESSES?



Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (EZl54)

Under orders to maintain their silence, and quite probably out of the country.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:53 AM (RD7QR)

132 The CIA is subservient to Clapper administratively.

The DNI does not need their "sign off" to alter position papers. It is the job of the intel community to produce a product for their customers - and not their job to determine what they do or don't do with the analysis.

The whole position of the left is risible. Not divulging tradecraft does not mean blaming it on a video.

Posted by: GeorgePatton at November 20, 2012 11:53 AM (qBLA2)

133 Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (LCRYB)

Fuckin'a...
Now I have oatmeal all over my laptop.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 11:53 AM (PrqJW)

134 Hey folks, don't forget I was on SNL just last week! I killed! Yeah, my star is rising in the Republican party. Gotta go - Springsteen is calling to hear me weep.

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 20, 2012 11:53 AM (wIgpo)

135 you know I mean Raymond Chandler and not Chandler Bing from friends, right?
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:48 AM (LCRYB)



I meant to ask you the other day, which book are you reading right now?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 11:53 AM (VtjlW)

136 @98

A 410 close in will do just a much damage as a 20. What you don't want is too much gun, the shell might go through the wall and hurt a family member in another room. Also, they make a 410 pistol, the peacemaker. 410 ammo is cheap. A 20 would be fine as would a 12 if you aren't worried about someone in another room. a 410 close in will cut a inch and half tree in half.

It's cheap and small. The kids version of the 870 pump is perfect. Not much recoil and easy to aim. The click of the pump usually makes the intruder shit in his pants.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:53 AM (wR+pz)

137 Garrett was a big fan of "Joey."

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:53 AM (LCRYB)

138 Shouldn't this post have The Flaming Skull?

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2012 11:54 AM (GQ8sn)

139 Lets make the Paulbots do the same

Posted by: metaphysical riboflavin at November 20, 2012 11:55 AM (uFY4s)

140
No one is going to shot a 50 cal more than once. It

will knock you over. It is too expensive and you can not hit shit with a

50 cal pistol and you sure as hell aren't going to drag around a 50

rife.

Someone needs to actually shoot a 50.

Posted by: GeorgePatton at November 20, 2012 11:55 AM (qBLA2)

141 so Clapper decided to change truth into propaganda for political purposes.
still who was here watching at the time of th attack?

I had thought Obama had said ,'there was a big breakdown, and somebody didn't do their job, they'll be held accountable."
Speaking with MSNBC's "Morning
Joe" program on Monday, the president said that "ultimately, as
commander in chief, I'm responsible and I don't shy away from that
responsibility oct 29 2012'

who watchinjg in the situation room, and why was the decision made and by whom to turn down 'stand down' three times ?
where's tha answer?
clipper?
Obama was doing what at the time orders came down to send assistance?

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 11:55 AM (hX8cq)

142 Regardless, I'm going to protest.
The fact you know 'Chandler' from Friends last name is sufficient.
Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (PrqJW)

--------

This is probably a bad time to mention that I immediately thought of "Chanandler Bong", his real name.

Posted by: No way am I using my real nic at November 20, 2012 11:56 AM (2KBjW)

143 >>>I meant to ask you the other day, which book are you reading right now?

I'm in the middle of a whole bunch. The Big Sleep (20th time, actually kind of bored, but then, 20th time), The Sun Also Rises (got bored when they went to Spain; I actually remember getting bored when they went to Spain the first time I read it too), and currently as of last night re-reading Heart of Darkness (free on Kindle), which started out poorly written (English was Conrad's third language I think) but when he gets to Africa it gets good, like I remembered it being. At first I thought maybe I was just young and impressionable for liking it, but now that it's in Africa almost as good as I remembered it.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:56 AM (LCRYB)

144 Obama was speaking ex Cathedra when he said it was a demonstration over theYouTube video that led to this attack. Therefore, all truthful information must be modified to conform to the statement, which is by definition infallible.

Posted by: Haiku Guy at November 20, 2012 11:56 AM (vdbff)

145 "Clap on, Clap off, it's the Holidays and time for the Clapper!, Clap off, lights out!

Posted by: John Bissell at November 20, 2012 11:56 AM (tjem6)

146 @98

Mossberg.


http://tinyurl.com/bsvpdcl

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 11:57 AM (wR+pz)

147 Garrett was a big fan of "Joey."

WHOA! All the remixes of "Nothin' my love can't fix", right?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 11:57 AM (ZKzrr)

148 >>>Shouldn't this post have The Flaming Skull?

You make it sound like this will impact Clapper's career.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 11:57 AM (0q2P7)

149 The Red Phone is on the Clapper?

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 11:57 AM (NIZHJ)

150 so 'somebody' re my previous comment
was petreaus? or broad whomever?

CIA had asked to go in who denied them clearance?

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (hX8cq)

151 Only a true (if perhaps closeted) homo would assume Chandler Bing over manly noir pulpist Raymond Chandler. May as well dangle a bandana out the wallet pocket, Nancy.

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (r5w1L)

152 Mossbergs suck.
Buy an 870.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (PrqJW)

153 Under orders to maintain their silence, and quite probably out of the country.
This is not Alex Jones /InfoWars ville.

They are not military personnel for the most part . They are civilians , who get government paychecks and submit timesheets and leave requests and email addresses. .

An interested Congress member can file a Congressional request on the employing agency and get a list of names and current contact info.

keyword "interested"



Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (EZl54)

154 I'm also about a quarter of the way through Live and Let Die but I don't know if I'll finish that one.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (LCRYB)

155 I don't need to be elected by the people

Posted by: obama at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (uFY4s)

156 No need for flaming skull. It won't matter to the idiots who voted BArry in. They're too busy camping out for Black Friday bargains. This whole nation just got ear fucked and half the population is either too stupid to know it or if they do, they liked it. LIFB

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (xFbCd)

157
The Internet is filled with videos of girls and the cruel boyfriends who give them pistols or rifles with too much recoil. "Just a little head wound, hon. It'll buff right out."
I don't like shooting anything which causes bracing flinches while I'm aiming. I'm tweaky enough anyway. If ahot loaded .44 mag has good grips and enough weight it's not too bad. Shot aBlackhawk with thehuge barrel Pach grips and hot loaded 325 grain bullets. But a .50 is a lot worse I hear. The videos suggest pretty bad.

Posted by: Beagle at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (sOtz/)

158 >>>Posted by: No way am I using my real nic

Jenny, if you are going to go incognito, you need a new hash too.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (0q2P7)

159 Hey ace, how did you know his name was "Chandler Bing"?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (6C2/D)

160 Obama was doing what at the time orders came down to send assistance?

Catching up on Lost re-runs while waiting to recieve his orders from Valerie Jarrett?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (SY2Kh)

161 I actually read Live and Let Die before. I guess I'm re-reading stuff now.

BTW, Garrett's mind got blown when Phoebe's sister "crossed over" from Mad About You.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (LCRYB)

162 U.S. Navy warships head for eastern Mediterranean
Three U.S. Navy amphibious warships are going to the eastern Mediterranean to stand by in case they are needed to help evacuate Americans from Israel. The possibility of an evacuation is considered remote as a contingency. The estimated 2,500 Marines on board will now have their homecoming to America delayed for several days. CNN

???? So they take contingency's to evacuate Americans from a strong and secure Allie, but take not steps to protect Americans in a wild west country such as Libya? Go figure

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (79ueO)

163 I don't know about that. I used to shoot a .44 Magnum hot loaded to max pressure without any problems.


Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:49 AM (YdQQY)

Yeah, but why bother? Aim is key here. This is my favorite now, no recoil 20 rounds, armour piercing. Not a lot of knock down power, bullet is too fast, but after ten rounds they are not going anywhere, and I have ten more to make sure they don't. Problem? Ammo is expensive as shit, buck a round.
http://tinyurl.com/75t9g6

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (wR+pz)

164 Sorry our original estimate of how many angels were on the head of this pin was inaccurate, we've since done a recount and it's a huge scandal.
The GOP needs to get back on track to things that really matter. Nobody gives a crap about why Rice said "extremist" instead of "terrorist" on the TV.

Posted by: lockedandloaded at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (ncq1x)

165 (English was Conrad's third language I think)

Yes, he spoke Polish and Ukrainian too, IIRC.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (RD7QR)

166 The Sun Also Rises (got bored when they went to Spain

---

As a consequence for her ditching school, I'm having my seventeen year old daughter read A Farewell To Arms. She absolutely hates it. I first read it at about that age and loved it. It is very romantic so I thought she would like it, too.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (Hx5uv)

167 154
I'm also about a quarter of the way through Live and Let Die but I don't know if I'll finish that one.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (LCRYB)
Have you ever read anything by Robertson Davies? Canadian writer. Just finished "Fifth Business". Excellent writer, IMO.

Posted by: tubal at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (BoE3Z)

168
I see Ace is already all over garrett for his faggy assumption.

But then, since when am I opposed to piling on?

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (r5w1L)

169 >>>Hey ace, how did you know his name was "Chandler Bing"?

Garrett told me. He writes me these long 3000 word emails about Friends. He keeps asking me "Which Friend do you think you are, and which Friend would you like to marry?"

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (LCRYB)

170 Why isn't anyone asking the most obvious set of questions: Regardless of the journey of the evolving talking points, didn't the CIA Director immediately brief the President directly about the attack? If so, what was he told? If not, why is POTUS out of the loop?

Posted by: TD, a taxpayer at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (+uFux)

171 The White House or State Department had nothing to do with the statement by Rice according to the spin even though Rice was speaking on behalf of the Executive branch which means the White House and State Department.

Fine operation you're running there Mr. President.

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (m2CN7)

172 Jenny, if you are going to go incognito, you need a new hash too.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (0q2P7)

-------

Ha, I forget that people actually check the hashes. I am now exposed as being a fan of Friends...or really just a child of the 90s.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (2KBjW)

173 times 11.9.12 bo speech malreportedbenghazi rectify times 12.9.12 bo comm act of terrormisprints verify current issue times 22.9.12 reporting bo unga speech doubleplusungood refs unpersons rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling

Posted by: Haiku Guy at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (vdbff)

174 68--- Truth matters. I do not stand with the Left on this subject; I am not an instrumentalist. For the Left, Truth only matters is if it is USEFUL, which is to say that it is subordinate to power....which is to say that falsehood and insanity may be better than truth, if they are more useful..... and they usually are.

Getting at the truth is important, even if no one hears or cares. It matters enormously, even if it is useless. It matters for its own sake.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (C8mVl)

175 I like this part from CBS;

>, because there was not strong confidence in the person providing the intelligence. CIA Director David Petraeus<

Now there was not "strong confidence" in Petraeus?

Show of hands- who believes that?

Should we go back to Obama talking about him at the appointment?

Any other accolades they want to walk back?

Petraeus was certainly wrong to dip that broad. But his judgment and expertise on intelligence matters is pretty flawless.

So I call bullshit.

Posted by: marcus at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (GGCsk)

176

Ace is a good mood today.

I have a bad feeling about this..

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (VvJwq)

177 I hope garrett knows I am kidding and not really trying to beat up on him or anything.

But he does love Friends.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (LCRYB)

178 Best weapon is the one that fits your hand.

Absolutely part of it. I was hot on purchasing a Colt Officers' Model .45ACP. I was droolin' over it. Had to have it. My LTC States' Attorney buddy had one and we went to the range.

Didn't fit the hand. The magazine well was too short to be comfortable.

I. was. pissed.

So, I bought another Commander.

...and there was much rejoicing.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (YOFCz)

179 Funny that we talk about this, the debt ceiling, trillion dollar deficits, and health care policy, while the left runs around saying how stupid we are when they talk about big bird, binders, and free birth control.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (3RTJW)

180 >>>But a .50 is a lot worse I hear. The videos suggest pretty bad.

A .44mag revolver kicks more than a Desert Eagle .50 AE. The gas operated action absorbs a lot of the recoil. The 500 S and* W special, however, is a cannon, and without a muzzle break is practically unshootable.

*F you ampersand eating Pixy bot.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (0q2P7)

181 Laws, I don't need laws

Posted by: obama at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (uFY4s)

182 Rachel dumped Ross?

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (ZDsRL)

183 i had thought all men wanted to marry jennifer and sleep with monica at least once with phebe filming

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (hX8cq)

184 times 11.9.12 bo speech malreportedbenghazi rectify
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22.9.12 reporting bo unga speech doubleplusungood refs unpersons nonvideos rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling

Posted by: Haiku Guy at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (vdbff)

185 Seriously though, no one told me life was gonna be this way.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (6C2/D)

186 I'm also about a quarter of the way through Live and Let Die but I don't know if I'll finish that one.
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (LCRYB)



Yeah, Live and Let Die is one of those works that depends on my mood when starting it to decide if I'm going to finish. Being an edition whore (what, I need five sets of LoTR stop looking at me like that), I do quite like the new covers for the Fleming reissues.


Thank you for answering, btw.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (VtjlW)

187
Garrett wishes he were the one carrying proto-tard Giovanni Ribisi's love child...

God can be so cruel, so unfair!

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (r5w1L)

188 I was thinking more along the lines of a longbow. Maybe I could fletch my own arrows.

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (NIZHJ)

189 176




Ace is a good mood today.



I have a bad feeling about this..



Fresh hobo meat always makes an ewok happy.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (wR+pz)

190 Here's my view on Benghazi: until we fix the swing-state voter fraud/theft, now and forever more, none of this matters.

Posted by: MythicMeganBanger at November 20, 2012 12:04 PM (uEm7J)

191 According to Iran, Gaza’s terrorists need more weaponry with which to fight Israel. Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast won’t say whether Iran is already shipping heavy weaponry to Gaza.
The current Hamas attacks on Israel have brought to the fore the question of Iranian nuclear development, especially since there have been rumors that Hamas will consider tipping its long-range rockets with chemical weapons.


Sure sign a cease fire, what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 12:04 PM (79ueO)

192 The Benghazi witnesses are wherever they stashed John Kerry's squeeze.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 12:04 PM (6H6FZ)

193 Susan Rice is in trouble...
Quick! Blame the old white guy!!

Posted by: Token Black Person at November 20, 2012 12:04 PM (dt2qx)

194 In fairness, I did not do the Chandler assuming, though I probably pounded enough episodes of Friends into my brain during middle school that I could very well be the idiot who does it next time.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (2KBjW)

195


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (EZl54)

They are State Department personnel, which means they have security clearances and take orders from superiors -- and can be posted out of the country.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (RD7QR)

196 I shot the .50 magnum revolver and it was like Zeus' thunderbolt.

I only shot it like ten times (I think it takes five in the cylinder). I think a large man, who shot it a lot, could get the hang of it.

But that one, I think, is really mostly for completionists and collectors. And I suppose people who want to rape bears.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (LCRYB)

197 Ace is a good mood today.

I have a bad feeling about this..

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (VvJwq)



Rubio's garbage wept.


Let's see. I was quite pleased this morning that my not a diet seems to be working and my pants fit better. Should I be utterly self-defeating and get a hate shake for lunch? *taps chin*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (VtjlW)

198 Somewhere over the Rainbow we were force fed the notion that our Military Commanders, and Security Staff were beyond reproach, EFFF That.

Posted by: Clemenza at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (Q8Pu5)

199


Rule #1: whenever you quote me, fix all my typos and loose shit

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (gcbZ1)

200 The 500 S and* W is epic fun with the steel targets, but no handgun I've shot hurts like the 45-70.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (SDkq3)

201 Mossberg.
Posted by: Billy Bob


Is there any real need for that FLEX version?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (ON54M)

202 This admin and obama in particular has never and will never use the words "Terror", "Terrorism", "Muslims", "Islam", "War on Terror", or any other words that in any way does not support their theory that the world loves us. They live in a fantasy world that will get us all killed.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (79ueO)

203 Actually, I'm rolling.
I might even get a Top Ten out of this.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (PrqJW)

204 Those bears were asking for it.

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (NIZHJ)

205 >>> I do quite like the new covers for the Fleming reissues.

eek, I don't get them at all.

Fun fact: I'm pretty sure Fleming designed all the original covers.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (LCRYB)

206
"...And I suppose people who want to rape bears....".

Howdy!

Posted by: Soledad Obrien at November 20, 2012 12:07 PM (uEm7J)

207 Anybody know any other films Clapper has Directed besides The YouTubing of The Mohammed?

Preznit Choomsbury hired hisself one hell of a Director there.

And Susan Rice can sure take direction, prolly not dicktation tho.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 20, 2012 12:07 PM (aZ6ew)

208
Clapper, under the bus, you drew the short stick.

Posted by: Obumbles Mcfuckcluster at November 20, 2012 12:07 PM (3BbLJ)

209 What do you suppose a .50 would do to Joey's bathtub duck?

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 20, 2012 12:07 PM (r5w1L)

210
Can we please put this "racking a pump slide makes a goblin shit his pants" crap away?

If the necessity exists to require a weapon at hand in the home, NOT having one up the spout just means you have a club.

Not an optimal situation.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 20, 2012 12:08 PM (SAMxH)

211 Garrett has a mug that says "Central Perk" on it.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:08 PM (LCRYB)

212 Clapper has done this before, calling the muslim brotherhood, the group from which AL QAEDA came from "largely secular".. BTW, remember after 9/11, all those news thingies came out describing the roots of Al Qaeda? Yeah.. its muslim brotherhood all the time. But now that black jesus is president, we all forget that stuff? I don't get it.

Is CLAPPER banging an Islamic pre-teen bride on the side? and baby says it was the jews that did 9/11? Old man clapper pussy whipped by jihad, and our once great country gets fucked

Posted by: At the end of my rope at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (YAGzS)

213 Put down the handgun and try shooting the M107.

The recoil is much more manageable.

Still, if you shoot about 20 rounds- you feel it.

I never understood the use for a .50 handgun.

Posted by: marcus at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (GGCsk)

214 The family had a lot of buffers.

Posted by: Willi Cici at November 20, 2012 11:35 AM (QupBk)

26
Serious question:What purposedoes theDNI serve? We have the CIA, FBI,
NSA, DOD, Homeland Security, and I'm sure a whole bunch of agencies,
departments, and appointmentsthat serve the same function...why do we
even need this office? The CIA can't work directly with the White House?


So the horde answers questions before they're asked.
Bonus points for movie snark.

Somebody work a Clapper dick joke and the thread will be complete.

Probably already did since I'm commenting 1st reading later.

Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (MOWP1)

215 are there times when anyone else wonders if the whole cluster**** of Obama was to cause so much chaos that any belief in any of our institutions was a plus?



alex, tea.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (hX8cq)

216 Is "garrett" a reference to Mrs. Garrett of Diff'rent Strokes and Facts of Life fame?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (6C2/D)

217 Confederacy of Dunces

Posted by: Max Power at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (+wxCD)

218 Garrett was banned from the local barber shop for asking for "The Rachel."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (ZKzrr)

219 Irongramps,

I think cops say the pumping sound works with shotguns, as far as intimidating/stopping an escalating situation.

But that's not a guy in your home, and that's a shotgun.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (LCRYB)

220 The DNI says it struck the references to Al Qaeda from the talking
points because that connection was "too tenuous," but then stuffed it
full of references to the YouTube video and a spontaneous protest, for
which there was no evidence at all


THAT is the question. Not who edited out Al-Quaeda (which was an omission of fact) but who pushed the idea of the video, which was an outright fabrication and a LIE!

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 20, 2012 12:10 PM (RSqz2)

221

funny thing about dieting and exercise:

if you do them for 2 weeks without fail, you will see results, guaranteed, and the motivation to continue will be there with less desire to jump off the wagon

that's the secret -- people give up too soon

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 12:10 PM (F/T2U)

222 But that one, I think, is really mostly for completionists and collectors. And I suppose people who want to rape bears.

Guns like the SW .500 Mag and the .454 Casull (which I own) are primarily designed for hunting, and they work well to that end. I suspect half of them are bought for dick-waving purposes though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 12:10 PM (SY2Kh)

223 Fun fact: I'm pretty sure Fleming designed all the original covers.
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (LCRYB)



You know what? I think you're right. I'd forgotten that.


Speaking of covers, I hate the new Sherlock Holmes covers where they are using Cumberbatch and Freeman on the front and making it all whiz bang pow to lure those watching Sherlock into reading them. My lawn. Off it.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 12:10 PM (VtjlW)

224 I like the Friend's episode where they had a masturbationabstain contest and Phoebee was eliminated immediately after she watched Gunther bend over.

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2012 12:11 PM (m2CN7)

225 >>>But that one, I think, is really mostly for completionists and collectors. And I suppose people who want to rape bears.

It's popular as a backup for hunting dangerous game. That includes bear and wild boar in the US. Smith actually came out with a snub nose version of the 500 for impromptu self defense against a Grizzly and marketed it to Alaskans. It had blaze orange grips and a 2 3/4 inch barrel and came with an emergency kit. I can't imagine trying to shoot the 500 SW round with such a short barrel. It would be a toss up as to whether I wanted to go hand to hand with the bear or pull the trigger on that gun.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 12:11 PM (0q2P7)

226 not for nothing -

the people of the Left who say "four dead Americans" need to be reminded that that was an Ambassador who was killed. Our Ambassador.

It's the international equivalent of shooting an on-duty cop
_________

fuck it - I'm going to reread Christopher Hitchens 'Goodbye to all that"

and drink Johnny Walker Blue until it all makes sense.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 20, 2012 12:11 PM (RuUvx)

227 If I had a blog, I'd probably post some related thoughts- too long for a comment here- there on that blog. Which I don't have. Because of not having a blog.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 12:11 PM (8y9MW)

228 Just tried a few shots with 12 gauge with pistol grip stock. I'm a big guy and I had a real good hold on it. My wrist hurt for a week. I can shoot a .45 or .357 all afternoon with no damage. No need for anything bigger in a handgun.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 12:11 PM (6H6FZ)

229 FOX is saying, as I predicted, that in the budget fight they are going to use the figure of 1 Trillion Dollars of savings as spending cuts by counting money no spent on 2 "Wars" in Iraq and Afganistan even thought that money was never budgeted for or spent. It is a COMPLETELY PHONEY SPENDING CUT. We are so fucked by this G-D damn fucking bastards

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 12:12 PM (79ueO)

230 I am SHOCKED...Shocked I tell you. To find out that there is gambling going on here.

Posted by: Prefect Reneu' at November 20, 2012 12:12 PM (4kpbt)

231 and ot only lying about the reasons , but actually blaming a video , then having comments coming from Their team about limiting speech while having the obscure video guy arrested!

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (hX8cq)

232 It's the international equivalent of shooting an on-duty cop

Yeah, the left doesn't love them some cop killers. o.O

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (ZKzrr)

233 A zeroed laser sight works for intimidation as well, no matter the caliber.

Saves ammo also.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (aZ6ew)

234 Thank you, willow.

for impromptu self defense against a Grizzly


You know, I think you need to really contemplate your life if that's something that's a legitimate concern before heading out somewhere. Let's see, I've got coffee, water, snacks, Twinkies, oh hey where's my anti-Grizzly defense kit.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (VtjlW)

235 "I never understood the use for a .50 handgun."

So, you've never had a rhinoceros show up while you were taking a shower?

ponce.

Posted by: Ernest Hemingway at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (RuUvx)

236
200 The 500 S and* W is epic fun with the steel targets, but no handgun I've shot hurts like the 45-70.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (SDkq3)


Those revolvers were awesome. Sad end story about the handgun, though.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 20, 2012 12:14 PM (tOkJB)

237 I don't know much about guns so don't jump all over me. The Taurus Judge (I think it's called) -- the one that can fire .410 shotgun shells. Now that's gotta be a very small shell. Is that any kind of real defensive load, or is that just something you can brag about, "I can fire shotgun shells from my gun"?

seems like a bullet would do more damage.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:14 PM (LCRYB)

238 it's damn hard having a serious discussion while wondering which friend is most fkable

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:14 PM (hX8cq)

239
Let's see now, Hillary, Holder, Patreaus, Rice, Clapper, CIA, Army, Navy, FBI, who hasn't been blamed yet. Oh that's right, the guy at the top, the finger points everywhere else, but where the buck is supposed to stop.

shocker that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 12:15 PM (3BbLJ)

240 *clap clap*
Lights on.
*clap clap*
Lights off.
*clap clap*
Lights on.
*clap clap*
Lights off.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 20, 2012 12:15 PM (jucos)

241 the president said that "ultimately, as commander in chief, I'm responsible and I don't shy away from that responsibility.




hahhahahahhahhh

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:16 PM (hX8cq)

242 Garrett knows the second and third verses to "I'll Be There For You."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vuaqDDr--Q

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:16 PM (LCRYB)

243 I shoot an HK .45 and the Colt 1911 rail .45.

You can shoot those all day long and the lethality is fairly unquestionable. That's why the military is going with the M45.

.50 is just too unwieldy.

Posted by: marcus at November 20, 2012 12:16 PM (GGCsk)

244 Knew a guy who ran away to Alaska to avoid some legal unpleasantness. He got a job in a lumber camp where he had to carry some big gun to the outhouse to take a shit because the polar bears staked the place out. Served him right he was a prick.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 12:16 PM (6H6FZ)

245 Though, if it's serious ballistics you want, a gun can't match the kinetic energy delivered from a carbon fiber arrow with a broad tip shot from a sturdy longbow.

-

Oh, and trust me, chicks dig the longbow.

Posted by: Thewy Sinewed Chap at November 20, 2012 12:17 PM (RuUvx)

246 Saves ammo also.

It does cut down on those 2nd shots.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 20, 2012 12:17 PM (QupBk)

247 Garrett was once very concerned about Chandler's weight fluctuations.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:17 PM (LCRYB)

248 >>>You know, I think you need to really contemplate your life if that's
something that's a legitimate concern before heading out somewhere.
Let's see, I've got coffee, water, snacks, Twinkies, oh hey where's my
anti-Grizzly defense kit.

Well maybe you live in safe urban areas. I live in California, and I carry (depending on where I am heading into the woods) a .44mag as protection against black bear and possible lion encounters.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 12:17 PM (0q2P7)

249 @195

Right.
And all 30 are bound to secrecy regarding a classified operation. Which failed. And resulted in deaths. Of American civilians.

Including the Ambassador.

There is no security clearance that protects from being a witness to murder. Unless all 30 of those individuals were part of some paramilitary ninja reverse assassination squad , they are accessible - to Congress certainly.

One of the guys killed at the consulate was an IT guy. Not everybody in the State Department is black ops CIA . These people can talk to specified people.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 20, 2012 12:18 PM (EZl54)

250 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (YOFCz)

Yep.... a lot of gun 'arguements' are like which is better.... blondes, brunettes or Redheads....

Its a matter of opinion, and what works for YOU...

So... petite Redheads and Sig P220 in .45 for Moi....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2012 12:18 PM (lZBBB)

251 Garrett is one of the dozens of fans of "Go On."

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:18 PM (LCRYB)

252 210
Can we please put this "racking a pump slide makes a goblin shit his pants" crap away?

If the necessity exists to require a weapon at hand in the home, NOT having one up the spout just means you have a club.

Not an optimal situation.
Posted by: irongrampa at November 20, 2012 12:08 PM (SAMxH)

Please oh please.


On a more manly note, anybody watch Shawn Johnson and Derek kick ass last night.

huh,

just me then.

OK. .577 dual wield FTW.

Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2012 12:19 PM (fWAjv)

253 garrett was on Rachel's side with all that 'We were on a break' stuff.

Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2012 12:19 PM (m2CN7)

254 aand, what also still has not been addressed is why when The ambassador and others were asking for more security for months before attack it was denied.


why

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:19 PM (hX8cq)

255 Ace didn't have time for stupid gay crap like Friends. He was busy watching Ellen.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 20, 2012 12:19 PM (6C2/D)

256 it's damn hard having a serious discussion while wondering which friend is most fkable
Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:14 PM (hX8cq)

---------

Why wonder? Garret knows.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 12:20 PM (2KBjW)

257 this is what Garrett's dreams look like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-HbHCcK58&feature=fvwrel

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:20 PM (LCRYB)

258 >>>a gun can't match the kinetic energy delivered from a carbon fiber arrow with a broad tip shot from a sturdy longbow.

What universe do you live in? One where kinetic energy isn't proportional to the square of velocity?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 12:20 PM (0q2P7)

259 In your home you can't do better than the shortest barreled Remington 870 Express or Mossberg 500 12 gauge.
Don't need to be a marksman.

Might need a hearing aid later.

Cheaper than a handgun also.


Posted by: ontherocks at November 20, 2012 12:21 PM (aZ6ew)

260
@219

Ace, the point of having a weapon--talking home defense here--at hand is being able to use it as quickly as possible. Makes no difference whether it's a long or short gun. Any weapon must be capable of being used by simply unsafing it,pointing and pulling the trigger.

There's a host of other requirements, such as familiarity with said weapon, ammo needs, etc., but instant availability is prime.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 20, 2012 12:21 PM (SAMxH)

261 After multiple visits one night camping from a black bear I decided the .44 magnum would just piss him off. I switched to 12 gauge rifled slugs alternating with 00 Buck and still would not want to pull the trigger unless it was coming for me.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 12:21 PM (6H6FZ)

262 Do you know why this is a LIE, and every seems to be missing this exact point?
BECAUSE WE HAD A "SECRET" CIA ANNEX (ONLY "SECRET" TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BY THE WAY!); IN BENGHAZI, WHOSE MISSION WAS TO DO WHAT??
SPY ON THE JIHADIS!
So, the CIA KNEW they Jihadis were there, and they KNEW they were responsible; there was nothing "tenuous" about this at all!
And yet, NO ONE is making this point, except ME!

Posted by: Dale in Atlanta at November 20, 2012 12:21 PM (NhH+R)

263 >>it's damn hard having a serious discussion while wondering which friend is most fkable

Ross. No contest.

Posted by: garrett knows at November 20, 2012 12:21 PM (LM1sg)

264 So, you've never had a rhinoceros show up while you were taking a shower?

ponce.

Posted by: Ernest Hemingway at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (RuUvx)

---

Why just this morning, I shot an elephant in my pajamas.

How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know.

Posted by: Captain Spaulding at November 20, 2012 12:22 PM (e0xKF)

265 I never actually saw an episode of Friends.

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 12:22 PM (NIZHJ)

266 So James Clapper gets to grip the hot potato, eh? Real big scandal has been solved regarding Susan Rice running her mouth. Time to move on, nothing to see here...

Your attention has been successfully averted from the commission of treason.

Something tells me, however, that the survivors of those whose martyrdom (not exactly voluntary, mind you) salvaged a national statesman's flagging political movement may not move on.


Barack Obama did not consign those men to their deaths. He did decide his reelection was worth risking their lives. We are now left to ponder on the whether President sees the end as justifying the means.

Posted by: butternut at November 20, 2012 12:22 PM (nbYoV)

267 garret,
mm i do love ross.
my spouse never understood that.
but agree!

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:22 PM (hX8cq)

268 "What universe do you live in? One where kinetic energy isn't proportional to the square of velocity?"

Thou hasn't never measured the heft of the haft and shaft of an arrow, hast thou?

Posted by: Thewy Sinewed Chap at November 20, 2012 12:23 PM (RuUvx)

269 Dale, fat and furious beghazi style
and perhaps continuing of rendition.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:24 PM (hX8cq)

270 Are they trying to say that it's NOT terrorism if it isn't AQ doing the terrorizing?

hmmmm.

Posted by: Hand Solo at November 20, 2012 12:24 PM (vu3g7)

271 4 So does this mean they caught the Clapper?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 20, 2012 11:29 AM (tf9Ne)

I see what you did there.

Posted by: Austin in TX at November 20, 2012 12:25 PM (hEk5C)

272 Posted by: Dale in Atlanta at November 20, 2012 12:21 PM (NhH+R)

You left out we had a Credentialed US Ambassador meeting with Turkish Officials, most probably to help run guns from Benghazi (Huge Black Market Weapons Bazaar from weapons 'liberated' during the rebellion), to the Syrian Rebels.... while we were squawking at the UN about a Syrian Arms Embargo...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2012 12:25 PM (lZBBB)

273 I watched snippets of Friends while channel surfing and the occasional clip here and there and was struck by the observation that I never for a second thought the friends were anything other than actors throwing punch lines at each other. I never saw one believable moment.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 12:25 PM (6H6FZ)

274 265 I've never watched an episode of "Seinfeld."

Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2012 12:26 PM (v5bhs)

275
What universe do you live in? One where kinetic energy isn't proportional to the square of velocity?

*Ahem* Velocity squared.

And I agree about the 870.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 20, 2012 12:26 PM (tOkJB)

276 >> Thou hasn't never measured the heft of the haft and shaft of an arrow, hast thou?

500 grains +/-.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2012 12:26 PM (LM1sg)

277 This is interesting and all, but this "day after" stuff ultimately is not nearly as important as the question of who denied the rescue mission the day of.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 12:26 PM (Ei2Jb)

278 what really sux when commenting is having a really cheap keybard and even worse typing skills.

and of course not actually reading text before committing o the comment.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:26 PM (hX8cq)

279 Maybe a thermal detonator fired from a derringer?

Posted by: Butters at November 20, 2012 12:27 PM (NIZHJ)

280 Are we supposed to believe that he did this without informing his boss?

OF course...that's exactly the kind of "go getter" Clapper is, and why we need him and his kind in this administration.

Posted by: Paladin at November 20, 2012 12:27 PM (4kpbt)

281 Garrett would never have slept with that girl with the sloppy apartment. In fact, when he found out Ross considered. he threw up a little in his own mouth.

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 20, 2012 12:27 PM (r5w1L)

282 "I never saw one believable moment."

When Ross had his crisis of confidence moment when Phoebe asked him about whether he doubted the dinosaur bone was really millions of years old was credible.

Though the most significant thing about "Friends" is how it fucked up the first episode of "Band of Brothers" when it first came out.
_

Posted by: Moron Horde Member #10318 at November 20, 2012 12:28 PM (RuUvx)

283 This is interesting and all, but this "day after" stuff ultimately is not nearly as important as the question of who denied the rescue mission the day of.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 12:26 PM (Ei2Jb)
--------------------------------------------------------
We didn't want to escalate the Cycle of Violence (TM)

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at November 20, 2012 12:28 PM (jucos)

284 I never for a second thought the friends were anything other than actors throwing punch lines at each other. I never saw one believable moment.
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 12:25 PM (6H6FZ)

---------------

What? They weren't really friends? No, no, no! Next you'll be telling me that at Cheers they aren't really always glad you came.

Seriously, it was more like catchphrases than punch lines.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 12:28 PM (2KBjW)

285 well the poor boss needed his beauty sleep as He had a srsly important engagement with beyonce and Jayz the next day

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:28 PM (hX8cq)

286 Even with the trail leading to DNI Clapper's doorstep, this story lacks for a way to make the charge of either incompetence or malfeasance stick.

Incompetence will be harder to prove than you think. Any analyst worth his salt can characterize intelligence as being too weak to include due to concerns about the reliability of the source, the lack of multi-discipline corroboration (HUMINT to verify the SIGINT, etc), point to other reporting that indicated the opposite, and generally paper shuffle their way out of direct blame.

I've seen / done this myself, and assure you that people who work in intelligence analysis understand the difference between "you possibly could have caught that" and "you *should* have caught that". Remember, intelligence goes on 24/7/365. Even the guys with the 30lb brains who work it non-stop get fooled on a daily basis. There's simply too much you don't know, and too much of what you do know that you can't trust. The intel has to be rock solid at the time, not just clues that become clear in retrospect.

And that's just looking at it as a case of straight incompetence.

When the real culprit is political malfeasance, that's almost impossible to prove. Unless the data was in the *ignored hard evidence and actionable intelligence* column, not the *indicators were present, but nothing actionable* column, nobody within the industry is going to throw the BS flag. They understand how hard it is to look at gray piles of puzzle pieces where none fit until after an event and 95% of the rest were trash that fit nowhere. Anyone that's been burned by low-teir reporting that turned out to be gold (or vice versa) is going to keep quiet, and that's the kind of non-partisan co-signing you'd need to prove the ODNI was criminally negligent or culpable.

Minus any really, really compelling reporting to the contrary, there’s simply too much gray here to think anyone is going to go down for this. Look bad, yes. Go down, no.

(That's not to say that there is no smoking gun on Benghazi anywhere, but as of yet, everyone is acting like there isn't, so there most likely isn't. What we have now largely fits in the ‘hindsight is 20/20’ category.)

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 20, 2012 12:28 PM (27tUc)

287 I hope Petraeus, as a friend and colleague, advised Clapper to resign.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2012 12:29 PM (/ZZCn)

288 I don't know much about guns so don't jump all over me. The Taurus
Judge (I think it's called) -- the one that can fire .410 shotgun
shells. Now that's gotta be a very small shell. Is that any kind of
real defensive load, or is that just something you can brag about, "I
can fire shotgun shells from my gun"?


The jury is still out on that one. With the popularity of the Taurus Judge, some ammo manufacturers are selling .410 self defense rounds.

I'd rather stick with bullets over shot shells in a pistol though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 12:29 PM (SY2Kh)

289 They were friends!

this is going to far !

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:30 PM (hX8cq)

290 amazing how many are falling on their swords for obama.

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:31 PM (hX8cq)

291 have they found clippers transexual lover yet?

Posted by: willow at November 20, 2012 12:31 PM (hX8cq)

292 The problem is that the administration is not the only party wiling to negotiate this stuff for political purposes. The American people do the exact same. 50% of the American people will ignore all of this because it will interfere with their political wants.

They just elected Obama. If they cared about certain realities, they wouldn't have done it. The story was not widely covered by the media, but it was covered enough that if people really cared, they would have got the story. They weren't fooled involuntarily. They chose to be fooled - they chose to elieve obvious lies because they didn't want to risk things they thought were important to them.

Posted by: Tommy V at November 20, 2012 12:34 PM (ZYlKz)

293 The White House wanted the terrorism angle all but written out of the
report, and Clapper was the man who did the editing, and then the CIA,
to its great dishonor, signed off on this lie.


The CIA showed where it's loyalty lies during the Bush years when they leaked everything they thought would be favorable to democrats, they don't represent this country, they represent the democrat party and it needs to be disbanded.

Posted by: booger at November 20, 2012 12:34 PM (HI6wa)

294 I never actually saw an episode of Friends.

I envy you.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 20, 2012 12:34 PM (ZKzrr)

295 Hey, who decided to have a flame thread for one?

Oh. Nevermind.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at November 20, 2012 12:34 PM (i2Lsf)

296
Well, glad we got to the bottom of that. Now 99.99999% of the country can go on not giving a shit.

Posted by: MJ at November 20, 2012 12:37 PM (TR60b)

297
Jay, you're a great guy.

Am I doing it right?

Posted by: MJ at November 20, 2012 12:37 PM (TR60b)

298 Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (YdQQY)

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Sorry, I missed your response earlier -- you can *refute* it all you want, but under the Obama administration, Rice answer to Obama directly, not the SoS.

And if you want to argue that isn't the way it is "done," I can give you a million examples of the unconstitutional and/or unauthorized crap the Obama administration is doing that has been consistently ignored since day one, starting with the fact that he made habeas corpus disappear via executive fiat.


Posted by: angienc at November 20, 2012 12:39 PM (w3JGl)

299 re: "THAT is the question. Not who edited out Al-Quaeda (which was an omission of fact) but who pushed the idea of the video, which was an outright fabrication and a LIE!"

That's a tough one. Who has their hands in this AND reliably pushes the line that terrorism is a justified response to American blasphemy? State does, the NSA does, the CIA does (at the appointee level; I assume actual working agents don't buy it, but that's just me assuming) -- the entire intelligence/security apparatus of the United States does. Bush did. Obama does. It's the Official Line.

Who picked this *specific* video to blame, this single dude to railroad? That's a question. Who knew about *it,* about *him*? It was very little-seen and pseudonymous. You had to be tipped to it to have known about it. And your tipster had to be tipped, too. It was more obscure than the average homemade music video. So...

So, that's a question.

But the answer to yours is, "Everyone did it." And nobody said, "That's bullshit," because that bullshit is the Official Line.

And the most *enthusiastic* pusher of that Official Line, in previous situations and in this one until he started flailing for reputational rescue, was Petraeus.

Posted by: oblig. at November 20, 2012 12:42 PM (cePv8)

300 oh hey where's my anti-Grizzly defense kit.

So a couple of years ago I'm opening the summer place across the lake in Upstate MN. Getting boat equipment out of upstairs of round the backyard shed, hands full. Hear something crashing thru the woods close but out of sight. Start walking around shed to investigate, look down, handful of fishing poles, rethink plan.

Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2012 12:43 PM (MOWP1)

301 Clapper-DNI is a bit of a joke office "clearing house"

Taurus Judge-the wound profile at close range for the SG she ll is actually better than some types of .45 lc.

America-fucked

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 12:47 PM (LRFds)

302 294 Heather Radish,

Nor have I...I was unconcious when one played in the background while pnuemonia was trying to kill me.

Sister in law was watching...wife says I woke up long enough to ask to watch something more interesting like the Military Channel crawl....

fuck Friends

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 12:49 PM (LRFds)

303 I shot the .50 magnum revolver and it was like Zeus' thunderbolt. I only shot it like ten times (I think it takes five in the cylinder). I think a large man, who shot it a lot, could get the hang of it. But that one, I think, is really mostly for completionists and collectors. And I suppose people who want to rape bears.
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (LCRYB)

The BMG, Desert Eagle class of hand cannons have their place aside from collector value, at least in my view. The idea behind a home defense weapon is having one capable of instant or near-instantthreat incapacitation, and for those purposes, bigger is certainly better. A long gun is, of course,almost always preferable in a gunfight, but as firearms defense expert Mossad Ayoob has pointed out, a handgun would be desireable in a home defense situation if only because one would have one hand free--free to grab the kids, free to use a phone, free to maintain balance or open a door or feel one's way along a dark hallway. I own several long guns, but that's why I rely on a pistol as my primary home defense weapon, a big revolver with a caliber starting with a '4'. A caliber starting with a '5' would be nicer still, but I can't justify the expense of either the gun or the ammunition for it. Practicing with it would be prohibitively expensive, at least for me, and regular practice with one's primary weapon is vital.

Posted by: troyriser at November 20, 2012 12:50 PM (vtiE6)

304
This more than barkys re-election is what tells me the country i knew is gone.An American president is caught in a lie and a stupid one at that about the death of a U.S Ambassador and three other Americans and the public really doesn't give a damn as long as their free shit keeps coming in

Posted by: kj at November 20, 2012 01:03 PM (AW9md)

305 Getting to the bottom of the lie of commission is well and good, but what I want to see investigated is the lie of commission. Who told Rice to claim that the Benghazi attack grew out of a non-existent "spontaneous demonstration" over an obscure YouTube video (Crapper again, almost certainly, with input from Obama, Panetta, etcetera).

And why did Petraeus tell this same lie to Congress? Was he blackmailed? They ALL knew it was a lie. Scumbags. Patraeus is as big a disappointment as Roberts. He lied for Obama and probably won Obama the election out of concern for HIMSELF.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at November 20, 2012 01:18 PM (kTTUz)

306 I don't know why we're focusing on Rice and her 5 Sunday talk show appearances.

Didn't Obama PERSONALLY repeat the lie about the "disgusting video" to the U.N., Joy Behar, and others, for a couple of weeks?

We need to be recycling the video of Obama's UN speech, over and over again, and juxtapose it against what we now know to be the truth.

Posted by: Phinn at November 20, 2012 01:32 PM (oFH2D)

307 Cast of Friends = all white = going to hell.

Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 01:39 PM (jm/9g)

308 Likea Lab dog. The adminstration and the media has rolled the ball in front of America and we are chasing it again.
Who freaking cares who changed the message. We want to know who ordered the Military to stand down killing four of their bretheren!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: OldSarg at November 20, 2012 01:42 PM (MLJu8)

309 Clap on, Clap off.................. Clap on Clap off ............ The Clapper

Posted by: Evilpens at November 20, 2012 01:45 PM (ck76k)

310 Scarborough says no biggie. He's the ultimate true conservative. So shut your pieholes..

Posted by: ejo at November 20, 2012 02:06 PM (GXvSO)

311
I don't get it.

At this point it's obvious that Rice was put out there specifically so that she could not be accused of knowingly lying, and that she was willinglyfed folklore by Obama's appointees, undoubtedly with his knowledge. She was picked because of her loyalty, her stature, and lack of involvement in the matter. One might ask why the journalists she spoke to on those shows didn't ask "Why are you the one here talking to me? Why not somebody who was actually INVOLVED?"

The fact that she was not involved, and they didn't ask her about it tells you everything you need to know. So why are we still talking about it? Is there still somebody in the would who isn't a full-blown libtard who doesn't think we were mislead by Obama's WH for weeks? Does somebody think he's going to get impeached for misleading the public? He is untouchable now, unless you have an actual crime to accuse him of. In short, the election is over - it's too late for this.

The real issue is why the hell security was denied, what the ambassador was doing there in the first place, and - most of all - why the hellPresident Gutsy Call didn't send in the cavalry. Maybe we can pressure these traitorous bastards to at least not do it again, and maybe we can FINALLY get that Obama brand as tarnished as it deserves to be. That might help get some bills passed, and some Senate races and the next Presidential racewon.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 02:06 PM (Mxt9o)

312
"304This more than barkys re-election is what tells me the country i knew is gone.An American president is caught in a lie and a stupid one at that about the death of a U.S Ambassador and three other Americans and the public really doesn't give a damn as long as their free shit keeps coming in."


I finally did some analysis of the election results (on an earlier thread). The independents came out in the same numbers as last time, but went 10% for Romney, instead of 6% for Obama, the Dem turnout was down 8%, but the Republican turnout was also down - by 5%. All this makes sense, except for the Republican turnout being down.

Instead of talking about "free shit", how about asking where the hell the Republican votes went? McCain's turnout was poor, and there is no reasonable reason why Romney's would be worse - it should have been better. Could ORCA really have been the problem?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 02:15 PM (Mxt9o)

313 Good thing the humps in the media and the honorables on the hill are all focused on what that nit whit Rice said on the sunday morning talk shows that nobody watches.

Good thing nobody is focused on how in hell we ended up getting our ass handed to us (again) by a bunch of towel heads who haven't yet mastered indoor plumbing.

Good thing, cause you know, as CIA director, some of those humps and honorables just might think I was paying more attention to Stupifying Broadwell than I was to my job.

Don't need that hassle right now.

It was an interagency process. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: ex generalisimo and now face down in a memory but doing all right at November 20, 2012 02:30 PM (HL/PU)

314 Sadly here's why it won't matter. They said they were simply passing on the information from the "intelligence community" going to great lengths to avoid saying "CIA." Now they go out and say that they are shocked SHOCKED to discover that someone in that position would lie to them. So they fire Clapper and declare the scandal closed.

And the media will just play along

Posted by: ch3cooh at November 20, 2012 04:29 PM (UFtDk)

315 "But I will stick with Clapper. He's proven himself to be a perfect Obama appointee, by which I mean incompetent and eminently malleable in his claims according to Obama's political needs."

Racist! You Whities and your Code Words™!

Posted by: Congressional Black Caucus at November 20, 2012 07:44 PM (eHIJJ)

316 The media is not seeing the forest through the trees. It's going after shiny objects swung in front of them.
When any intel document is sanitized or downgraded in classification, the narrative of what happened STAYS THE SAME. While sources and methods are removed, sanitization should not produce an entirely different narrative. That's how intel reports are disseminated through the entire community to include Pfc Downey, the average grunt on the ground, who needs to understand threats in his specific area he is patrolling, but may not have the security clearance to read the good stuff.

If the DNI edited the talking points to produce a different narrative--and his spokesman is saying they briefed the WH that Benghazi was a preplanned terrorist attack--then he clearly did so for political reasons. The WH does not work for the intel community--it's the other way around. They cannot pretend to be passive bystanders like Ace describes in this post. Ace is on the $ stating that a discussion would have had to take place--4 Americans are dead to include a US ambassador--there had to be an intel assessment given to the WH on that. Congress needs to get Clapper to testify again, and demand to see the PDBs. They need to ask him to explain why he ignored the CIA's own assessment, and what other compelling intel he had to make it sound like it was a spontaneous mob with a few extremists thrown in. Most of all, they need to also ask why did the President blamed the video in front of the entire world at his UN speech 9 days after the attack, if he was briefed it was a terrorist attack.

Posted by: msmulan at November 20, 2012 08:52 PM (vSWyU)






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