Top Headline Comments 11-20-12

Happy Tuesday.

An update on the low turnout myth: Yesterday, I wrote that Romney only lagged McCain by about 250K votes (as compared to Obama 2012, who came 6 million votes short of his 2008 total). Well, Romney's numbers are now larger than McCain's -- by about 10,000 votes. And some California votes are still being counted.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:45 AM



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1 Good Morning Morons. Today is Tuesday, November 20, 2012. On this day in 1945 the U.S. began the Nuremberg war crimes trials. I think that this was a mistake although some certainly deserved their fate.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)

2 Breaking news at Fox

OBAMA SENDING SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON TO JERUSALEM, RAMALLAH AND CAIRO AMID GAZA CRISIS

http://is.gd/CQp5bR

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)

3 3rd?

Posted by: billygoat at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM (CfGGV)

4 Wal-Mart filing complaint against the unions who plan protests during after Thanksgiving Day sales. Good luck with that one since Ovomitous has filled the national labor board with union stooges. Elections have consequences.

http://is.gd/25ao8r

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)

5 And not to be outdone, communist George Soros urges other workers to join protests.

http://is.gd/S1muVh

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

6 And speaking of the NLRB remember that Boing move to SC they tried to block? Well, the general council (acting because he was appointed but not sent to the Senate) who headed that up has been charged with ethics violations in a separate Wal-Mart case.

http://is.gd/OUC2mn

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

7 CIA closes the BS AGW office.

http://is.gd/Xw2K7H

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

8 Fox will air 1 hour special on corruption in Washington and Cronyism on “both sides”. I notice when the media do cover something like this it is always “both sides”.

http://is.gd/2urjQx

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

9 WaPo: Conservative Republicans fighting back. Actually the article is about SocialCons, not conservatives in general. To the MFM socons are the “only” conservatives.

http://is.gd/CB0aXX

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:49 AM (YdQQY)

10 The RNC in action. Jeb Bush and the Fat Man on top for 2016. They actually want to destroy the Party forever.

http://is.gd/bPC5Sr

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:49 AM (YdQQY)

11 A federal judge Monday rejected Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.'s request to block part of the federal health care overhaul that requires the arts and craft supply company to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after and week-after birth control pills.


In a 28-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied a request by Hobby Lobby to prevent the government from enforcing portions of the health care law mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives the company's Christian owners consider objectionable.



He is a George H. W. Bush appointee.

http://is.gd/8Y0gT9

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:49 AM (YdQQY)

12 Corrupt AG Holder to remain on the job for “about a year”.

http://is.gd/YmQVmb

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)

13 PEW study, MFM coverage of Obama turned more favorable during last week of campaign. No negative stories. I want to know when they have ever not been “more favorable” to Obama.

http://is.gd/t9o3gB

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)

14 Animal rights wingnuts complain that “shooters” shot down their spy drone. Interesting legal question here. If shitheads send flying objects over your property to spy on you, can you shoot it down? My gut tells me you should be able to but I would bet it is against some law. In previous investigation into this type of thing I found that it was considered “invasion of privacy” if photographers went to extraordinary lengths to get shots. But there was nothing about the people they were spying on shooting them.

http://is.gd/Ep75yL

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)

15 John Fund on the West election debacle. It looks like there were some major “irregularities” going on. The steal was on.

http://is.gd/KSq8dW

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)

16 Kindle Daily Deal:


Berlin Diary


A radio broadcaster and journalist for Edward R. Murrow at CBS, William Shirer began keeping a diary while in Europe during the 1930s. His honest and passionate chronicle is considered the first full record of the rise of the Third Reich and the brutality with which Hitler came to power.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:51 AM (YdQQY)

17 And that's it for today.


On the "low turnout myth" McCain was no great shakes either. After all, he lost too.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:52 AM (YdQQY)

18 http://tinyurl.com/y679fu

Do you remember when Progressives used to believe...

Actually you would have to understand past positions by candidates who were Progressives way back when the Progressive movement started. So lets do a bit of a refresher course to take a look at where Progressives were on policy and where they are today. This should be fun, no? All that intellectual integrity and stuff, you know? ...

If you only dare to remember what they said and how they have lied to you then, and now.

A Jacksonian


Posted by: panzernashorn at November 20, 2012 06:52 AM (BAnPT)

19 And another thing, the overall national vote count is meaningless. We elect Presidents by State, not total. The turnout in the Swing States of FL, VA, and OH actually control the election.


Which is why neither candidate ran any ads in SC.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:54 AM (YdQQY)

20 But I know, lets have a spelling contest

Posted by: RNC Holliday at November 20, 2012 06:55 AM (YdQQY)

21 10. The sooner you realize it's already their party, not yours unless you're theirs, the better you'll be able to deal with reality, however you choose.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 20, 2012 06:55 AM (BAnPT)

22

DAY 14


1,446 TO GO


Mayans, Muslims, Marxists and miscellaneous meshugas not withstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 06:57 AM (XkWWK)

23 Jeb Bush and the Fat Man on top for 2016.

Insert picture of Raquel Welsh in 1,000,000 years BC here to nullify image of RINO's.

http://tinyurl.com/d2mr6v8

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 06:59 AM (feFL6)

24 Well, if they run either one of those two I will be voting 3rd Party in 2016.


And I suspect it will be a worse debacle than this election.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY)

25

that's the spirit!
keep it up with the ragtime

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:01 AM (OI9vN)

26 What does any of this have to do with Scott Joplin?

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:03 AM (YdQQY)

27 PEW study, MFM coverage of Obama turned more favorable during last week of campaign. No negative stories. I want to know when they have ever not been “more favorable” to Obama.


Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:50 AM

Not more favourable = Barry is kind of hot.
More favourable = Barry excitesour love pumps and we totally want to bang him.

...it's nuanced.

Posted by: otho at November 20, 2012 07:03 AM (yBF/9)

28 24
And I suspect it will be a worse debacle than this election.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY)

Mornin', Vic,
For the past 4 years, I consoled myself with the belief that at least tfg was so awful that he mobilizing the conservative base..right? at least we had that going for us, BUT he is such a scoamf that he even futzed that up....

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 20, 2012 07:03 AM (53riN)

29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD1P4q9W5ZE

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:04 AM (YdQQY)

30 "This Thanksgiving, Paul McCartney is urging you to say 'no, thanks' to turkey and 'yes' to a delicious, cruelty-free holiday meal."

Hahaha, what a tool. I've got 27 pounds of cruelty defrosting in my refrigerator.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:05 AM (feFL6)

31 23 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 06:59 AM (feFL6)


Look. We've seen this movie before and it always ends the same way.

We have a little over 3 years to do something about it. If either of those two even wind up in the field of candidates, or if we do not somehow find a conservative to rally around, then we have no one but ourselves to blame.

I don't know exactly what we can do, but some sort of organizing must be done to prevent another Thomas Dewey, Gerald Ford, George HW Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney from being selected FOR us.

Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:08 AM (XkWWK)

32 30 -

We used to be able to say "we fought a revolution over 200 years ago so we wouldn't have to listen to pompous English twits," but that was before Obama.

We're one world now. When the British tell us how to do Thanksgiving, we must listen to them if it means saving the life of a turkey.

And speaking of turkey, I saw the Russians are now pushing for U.N. action on Gaza.

Lovely. Russian, the conscience of the world.....

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 07:09 AM (BeSEI)

33 23 Jeb Bush and the Fat Man on top for 2016.

I did the "voting for a shithead moderate" thing this time. if we're gonna lose anyway, I'd rather do it with a guy I like.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 20, 2012 07:09 AM (uhAkr)

34 In any case with the Fat Man kissing Obama's ass just before the election I suspect he will be going independent or Democrat by 2016.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:09 AM (YdQQY)

35 I just want to live.....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:09 AM (LRFds)

36 How is the McCain campaign the only touchstone for turnout?

Again Bush got 62 million votes in 2004.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 20, 2012 07:10 AM (+VMZ0)

37

there is an explicit religious exemption in the AHCA -- which I suspect is being taken advantage of by Muslims and Amish and others

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:11 AM (I87cK)

38 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:08 AM (XkWWK)


The problem is the order of the primaries. We allow the damn Blue States to nominate our candidate so we wind up with a damn moderate every damn time.


We have 1 Red State voting out of the first 10 or 15 States who hold primaries.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:11 AM (YdQQY)

39 4 Vic,

I plan to do my part.

Gonna sign their petition and throw a sawback in their kitty.

You wanted Choom for me Wal-nuts I want "fair" for you.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:11 AM (LRFds)

40 Gabe, are you trying to obscure facts on purpose?

2008, Obama won independents. 2012, Romney did.

Obama lost 6 million votes, Romney got lots of those 6 million. Heck, for all you know, maybe all of them.

It's not about matching McCain. I suspect you know that, which is why I'm trying to figure out your angle. Right now the only thing I know is you are wrong, what I'm not sure of is whether you're intentionally being dishonest.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 07:12 AM (BeSEI)

41
ugh. Jeb Bush or FatMan. No. I did my duty as a "good" republican in 2008 for McCain and again in 2012 for Romney. No more.

Fool me once, shame on you....Fool me twice, shame on me.

Posted by: jj at November 20, 2012 07:12 AM (gWO5X)

42 there is an explicit religious exemption in the AHCA
-- which I suspect is being taken advantage of by Muslims and Amish and
others





Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:11 AM (I87cK)

If you look at that exemption they can only take it if they set up a similar program of their own.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:12 AM (YdQQY)

43 30 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:05 AM (feFL6)


Dear Paul:

A "cruelty-free Thanksgiving" would be not hearing you sing "Michelle" to an America-hating harridan.

Thank you.

PS: John was the much better lyricist and fuck you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:12 AM (XkWWK)

44 Gonna sign their petition and throw a sawback in their kitty.



You wanted Choom for me Wal-nuts I want "fair" for you.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:11 AM (LRFds)

What petition?

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:13 AM (YdQQY)

45
Jeeze Louise, I'm depressed now.. fat man and bush, seriously?

Maybe we should find a conservative to run as a democrat and just lie about it, maybe we could win that way..

Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 07:13 AM (pwTow)

46 14 Vic,

More legally safe way will be emissions control. I am researching tight band bursts to knock out rc airplanes. "For rainy days" and all.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:14 AM (LRFds)

47 41 Fool me once, shame on you....Fool me twice, shame on me.
Posted by: jj at November 20, 2012 07:12 AM (gWO5X)


We've been fooled almost every election since FDR, with the exception of the Reagan landslides.

I'm beginning to get the impression that the GOP really is in cohoots with the Democrats, but that would be nutty, tinfoil-hat territory, right?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:15 AM (XkWWK)

48 45 Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 07:13 AM (pwTow)

You are not very far of the mark. I was considering running in a future election as a Democrat. The problem is if you win and crucial votes come up, how to you vote against your party and then stay elected?

I guess you have to fake being Joe Bidet.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:16 AM (XkWWK)

49 More legally safe way will be emissions control. I
am researching tight band bursts to knock out rc airplanes. "For rainy
days" and all.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:14 AM (LRFds)

Get a frequency generator. My father had one of those for calibrating transmitter/receiver. We hooked it up to a 75W ham transmitter and scrambled everybody's TV and radio reception one evening when my brother and I felt mean.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:17 AM (YdQQY)

50 West conceded this a.m.

Posted by: Baldy at November 20, 2012 07:17 AM (opS9C)

51
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:16 AM (XkWWK

vote present like barky did, then when your made king you can do what ever the hell you want

Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 07:18 AM (pwTow)

52 As I aid, until we change the order of the primaries we will always get moderate squishes.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:18 AM (YdQQY)

53 Not more favourable = Barry is kind of hot.
More favourable = Barry excitesour love pumps and we totally want to bang him.

...it's nuanced.
Posted by: otho at November 20, 2012 07:03 AM (yBF/9)



Blatant and hard-hitting snark and criticism towards a black man? Is this the PGA Tour during the 50's?

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at November 20, 2012 07:19 AM (KeZR9)

54 38 Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:11 AM (YdQQY)

Hey Vic. So I guess, since everything is pre-wired for us to fail, and the establishment is so entrenched we're basically pissing into the wind?

Depressing. Damn, I hate our party.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:19 AM (XkWWK)

55 PS: John was the much better lyricist

They both stank on ice in their solo careers. The Beatles was one of the rare occurrences when two bad things combined to make a superb one.

that would be nutty, tinfoil-hat territory, right?

Yup.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 07:19 AM (YXmuI)

56 44 Vic,

Most UFCW organizing attempts try to get clients to sign. I never do. I hate unions but this time I'll use 'em as a weapon against the Walton brood.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:19 AM (LRFds)

57 West conceded this a.m.


Posted by: Baldy at November 20, 2012 07:17 AM (opS9C)

From that John Fund article it looked like it was an outright steal by the Democrats there so I wonder why he conceded.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:19 AM (YdQQY)

58 Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 07:18 AM (pwTow)


Yeah, I guess that is the way to go. Now if we can just create an army of like-minded candidates...


SHIT, just saw that West conceded? Damn. Then again, there is our candidate for 2016.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:20 AM (XkWWK)

59 Hey Vic. So I guess, since everything is pre-wired for us to fail, and
the establishment is so entrenched we're basically pissing into the
wind?



Yep

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:21 AM (YdQQY)

60
or we can start moving to swing states (we meaning conservatives) for the next 2 to 3 years, become a residents and vote, once our guy is in, then we can move back.
I know crazy ideas, but all the rational ideas don't seem to work.

Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 07:21 AM (pwTow)

61 Posted by: sven10077 at November 20, 2012 07:19 AM (LRFds)


Why the WalMart hate?

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:21 AM (YdQQY)

62
way to go, Boner and FL GOP

nice job protecting one of our few Black Republicans in Congress?

How many black Republicans do we have now in the House? 1? 0?




Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:21 AM (I87cK)

63 Burt-
Malor's angle appears to be; There are no more votes to be had, therefore we have to take votes from the other side, therefore we must ditch Socons.

Which, as he said of the other side, coincidentally happens to be what he wanted to begin with.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 20, 2012 07:22 AM (+VMZ0)

64 55 that would be nutty, tinfoil-hat territory, right?

Yup.
Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 07:19 AM (YXmuI)


And yet, judging from Boehner, I better buy ALCOA futures. That is until the EPA shuts them down too.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:22 AM (XkWWK)

65 I'll never forget the first time I saw some wild turkeys and had a WTF moment. Scrawny things, foraging for scraps.

While the domestic turkey gets the lifestyle of the liberal, sits around and stuffs himself to the bursting point. I guess that's the new definition of cruelty.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:23 AM (feFL6)

66
West for president, lets start now.

Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 07:24 AM (pwTow)

67 "How many black Republicans do we have now in the House? 1? 0?"

Does it matter?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 20, 2012 07:24 AM (GZitp)

68 Consider the source: "Several GOP activists and sources". For all I know, this is Christie's mom. Let's not go overboard just yet, there's plenty of time for that.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 07:24 AM (YXmuI)

69 57 Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:19 AM (YdQQY)
_________
Kind of hard to beat them when the party is not behind you, at least I did not see or hear them anywhere.

Posted by: Baldy at November 20, 2012 07:25 AM (opS9C)

70 @38

The establishment wants a moderate so moderate candidates are what we get.

These were the first 13 2012 primaries.

1) Iowa - Obama
2) New Hampshire - Obama
3) South Carolina - Romney
4) Florida - Obama
5) Nevada - Obama
6) Colorado - Obama
7) Minesotta - Obama
Missouri - Romney
9) Maine - Obama
10) Arizona - Romney
11) Michigan - Obama
12) Wyoming - Romney
13) Washington - Obama


That slate is going to give you a moderate candidate every time.

It also did not help that we had 50,000 debates and they were mostly moderated by liberals, even the FOX news debates were bullshit.

So if you want a conservative candidate you are going to have to change the
primary system.

Reliably conservative states go first.
No Open primaries.
A rational number of debates.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 07:25 AM (RrD4h)

71 Open primaries are controlled by the State legislators, not the parties.


As for the debates, what we need is for the hosts and moderators to be Republicans, not Democrats.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:27 AM (YdQQY)

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73 i'm hoping 2016 is a rubio/jindal ticket. or jindal/rubio i feel like i win in both situations.

Posted by: we are so screwed at November 20, 2012 07:28 AM (HEa5q)

74 I am not impressed with Jindal at all.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:29 AM (YdQQY)

75 70 So if you want a conservative candidate you are going to have to change the
primary system.

Reliably conservative states go first.
No Open primaries.
A rational number of debates.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 07:25 AM (RrD4h)

I'll start sharpening my pitchfork and boiling a vat of tar if we can all march on the RNC (figuratively speaking).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:29 AM (XkWWK)

76 Good morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes. It seems Colonel West has surrendered like a gentleman and let the Demoscum steal his seat. Too bad, although I’m sure the Black Congressional Caucus is celebrating. Just to show you how ingrained bias is - when my local radio station (WBZ) reported the story, West was described as being “best known for his outrageous statements. He once called President Obama the dumbest man in Washington.” To which my response was, “and if he called Dubya the dumbest man in Washington, you wouldn’t have even mentioned that – or if you had, it would be dismissed as “blunt honesty” instead of as being “outrageous.”

It’s not enough to destroy newspapers and TV. Radio is still enemy territory, despite our foothold there.


Anyway, I’m going to ramble on a bit now, so grab yourself a fresh cup of joe and settle back:

Since I seem to spend a good deal of my life in an alcoholic haze, today’s story concerns drinking. More specifically, it concerns the drinking of cowboy star Gene Autry, who was no slouch when it came to matters of the bottle - although, when told Autry was considered a heavy drinker, John Wayne once stormed “When Ward Bond and I were over at Republic (a Poverty Row studio famous for Westerns) with Autry, he couldn’t carry our ice!” But the drinking habits of the Duke are for another day.

Before he made truly serious money, Autry traveled with his own rodeo in between pictures. He always liked to make a spectacular entrance, so, gleaming in his famous white suit, he would ride his famous horse, Champion, through a huge 50-foot paper hoop. But one time, at Madison Square Garden. . .

Autry had started cocktail hour a little early. 9.00am. Not that it would generally matter, since the show didn’t open until 8.30pm. However, as happens, a new Champion was making his debut with the show, and this stallion was young and balky, completely unused to the demands of a rodeo or show business. This worried one of the wranglers in Autry’s show, who knocked on the star’s dressing room door and suggested a few rehearsals might be useful.

From behind a wall of bottles, Autry slurred, “I was born on a horse. I can ride any sonofabitch horse that ever stood on four feet. And I can ride this goddamn horse through fire, hell or high water.”

The wrangler couldn’t argue with this logic, so he left Autry to his drinking.

Came show time. Autry hopped on to the new Champion. The band struck up his theme song, “Back in the Saddle Again.” Autry took off his white Stetson, whacked it across the horse’s ass and the two of them took off like Dale Earnhardt. Once, twice, three times around the ring, the crowd whooping and hollering, Autry smiling his million-dollar grin and then it was time to smash through the paper hoop.

Autry yanked the reins, set the horse’s head for the hoop and they galloped like wildfire. When they reached the hoop, Champion stopped on a dime.

Autry didn’t. He went sailing off the saddle, through the hoop and flat on to his face in the arena.

For a moment, there was a deathly silence. Then Autry simply got up, brushed himself off and took a deep bow, as if he always made his entrance that way.

He did rehearse the next night, though.


Here’s another Autry story – during his time in Hollywood, he collected quite a few DUIs (502s, they were called in those days). The star simply shrugged. So he drank. So what? At least he was honest. “Nobody ever saw me drinking martinis out of a teacup like Roy Rogers.” It was suggested that anybody with as much money as he had ought to get a chauffeur and drink in safety. “Good idea,” said Autry, and proceeded to hire one.

One week later, Autry was slapped with another 502. It seems the cops had seen him driving astraddle an open construction ditch, the workers ducking into the ditch to save their lives. Where was the chauffeur?

Passed out drunk on the seat next to driver Autry.


And that’s it. Hope you all have a wonderful day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2012 07:29 AM (zF6Iw)

77 NEWT !!!!!!!!!!!






Just kidding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:30 AM (XkWWK)

78 2
Breaking news at Fox

OBAMA SENDING SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON TO JERUSALEM, RAMALLAH AND CAIRO AMID GAZA CRISIS

http://is.gd/CQp5bR

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM

Saw that and now for the most pressing question of our time: What is up with Hillary's hair? What old bag grows their hair long?

Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 07:31 AM (hl8SI)

79

2016?

2014 is our next battle. 2014 shapes the battlefield for 2016.


Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:31 AM (ms+kz)

80

2016?

2014 is our next battle. 2014 shapes the battlefield for 2016.


Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:31 AM (UZJrF)

81 Because sometimes repetition is the best way to get the point across.


Voting trends of Presidential voting of GOP early caucus states
that essentially choose the GOP candidate or give him momentum
.
1 - Iowa - D, D, D, D, R, D, D
2 - New Hampshire - R, D, D, R, D, D, D
3 - South Carolina - R, R, R, R, R, R, R
4 - Florida - R, R, D, R, R, R, D, D
5 - Nevada - R, D, D, R, R,D, D
6 - Colorado - R, R, D,R,R, R, D, D
7 - Minesotta - D, D, D, D, D, D, D
8 - Missouri - R, R, D, D, R, R, R, D, D
9 - Maine - R, R, D, D, D, D, D, D
10 - Arizona - R, R, D, D, R, R, R, R
11 - Michigan - R, R, D, D, D, D, D
12 - Wyoming - R, R, R, R, R, R, R
13 - Washington - R, D, D, D, D, D, D



If you think this system will produce anything except a
milk toast moderate to liberal candidate I got some swamp land to sell you.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 07:34 AM (RrD4h)

82 Same comment but two different hashes?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:34 AM (feFL6)

83 78 What old bag grows their hair long?
Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 07:31 AM (hl8SI)


William Kunstler, but he's dead so that doesn't count.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:34 AM (XkWWK)

84 morning..

There's no one in the GOP currently I would vote for in a primary. and no more Bush's!

And speaking of primaries... and debates.. they need to shorten that cycle a whole helluva lot. That was agonizing!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2012 07:35 AM (UTq/I)

85 2014 is our next battle. 2014 shapes the battlefield for 2016.

I don't know about that. Joe Biden is a mighty opponent. We should just give up now.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 07:35 AM (YXmuI)

86 It would never happen, and she really would have to hone her speaking/debating skills way above where they were last time, but I would love to see Michele Bachmann as president just so that every fucking head on both sides of the aisle explode.

Okay, back from the delusion now...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:38 AM (XkWWK)

87 This makes sense to me.

I am by no means a fan of Romney, but he tried harder than Mccain did. I think Mccain is a much more compelling candidate (and I think Mccain sucked as a candidate), but I would hope the GOP would have a little more passion for getting to the polls after experiencing four years of scoamf.

Alas, I wish we had nominated a conservative.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 07:39 AM (D9999)

88

A month ago if you wouldve said Biden has a chance in '16, I would've laughed.

Now, I'm not so sure.

Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2012 07:40 AM (ATP6u)

89 85 I don't know about that. Joe Biden is a mighty opponent. We should just give up now.
Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 07:35 AM (YXmuI)


Seriously, considering he's a Democrat, and that we just re-elected Il Ducé part deux, and that the MFM and every other American institution is now lined up against us, and that there is a sizable group of voters in the free shit army, President Joe Bidet is not as improbable as you might think.

I remember joking after 2010 that a ham sandwich could be our candidate and SCOAMF would lose in a landslide. I fear that after the last election, the opposite is now true.

Dear Lord...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:42 AM (XkWWK)

90 Yeah, but you are assuming McCain had a good turn out.
I think not

Posted by: FITP at November 20, 2012 07:42 AM (+F7PL)

91 What old bag grows their hair long?
Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 07:31 AM (hl8SI)


Gerry Spence?

bbl, all - early morning paperwork to do.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2012 07:42 AM (zF6Iw)

92 >>An update on the low turnout myth: Yesterday, I wrote that Romney
only lagged McCain by about 250K votes (as compared to Obama 2012, who
came 6 million votes short of his 2008 total). Well, Romney's numbers
are now larger than McCain's -- by about 10,000 votes. And some
California votes are still being counted.<< --- Gabe the Clueless

So fucking what. Against one of if not the worst president in history, this splendid GOP/Romney campaign managed to turn out about the same number of voters as one of the worst presidential campaigns in history got to come out 4 years before. And we're supposed to be thrilled with that, Gabe? You keep fucking that "turnout was fine" chicken. If all we're going to get at this web site from the regular bloggers is inside-the-Beltway bullshit and self-delusion, why, exactly, should be bother reading this site?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 20, 2012 07:42 AM (8ohP1)

93 "This Thanksgiving, Paul McCartney is urging you to
say 'no, thanks' to turkey and 'yes' to a delicious, cruelty-free
holiday meal."



Hahaha, what a tool. I've got 27 pounds of cruelty defrosting in my refrigerator.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:05 AM

Every year we pick up a turkey from a local poultry farm. Fresh killed never frozen is a beautiful thing. I fellow the farm on Facebook. They update their turkeys' development throughout the summer. I am always amazed at the asinine comments. I know I shouldn't be but I am. People are ok when they are totally unaware that what they are eating was once alive. However once they find out a turkey is actually hatched, raised, killed and processed they freak out. Most of the folks aren't even vegetarians. They just like the concept. People today just want to avoid reality on all levels.

Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 07:44 AM (hl8SI)

94 @88

Basically Joe Biden has been a fucking blow hard and a thorn in the side of conservatives since forever.

But since no one on the GOP side has the balls or common sense to call the stupid prick out on his lies and tall fucking tales he seen more as fighter for the little guy.

I hate that guy, but I can totally see him winning the Presidency in 2016.


*** Shudder ***


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 07:44 AM (RrD4h)

95 why, exactly, should be bother reading this site?

You shouldn't.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2012 07:44 AM (YXmuI)

96 Data...

Eisenhower/Nixon
Eisenhower/Nixon
Nixon/Agnew
Nixon/Ford
Reagan/Bush
Reagan/Bush
Bush/Quayle
Bush/Cheney
Bush/Cheney

Since about 1933 if you didn't have a Nixon or
Bush on the ticket the (R)'s haven't won.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:44 AM (feFL6)

97 @96

I've seen that but I have no idea how to process that, I'm still trying to wrap my head around it!!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 07:48 AM (RrD4h)

98 ::::An update on the low turnout myth: Yesterday, I wrote that Romney only lagged McCain by about 250K votes (as compared to Obama 2012, who came 6 million votes short of his 2008 total). Well, Romney's numbers are now larger than McCain's -- by about 10,000 votes. And some California votes are still being counted.::::

They spotted us 6 million votes and you still think what's wrong with the GOP can be fixed with some ground game tinkering?

Ridiculous. We are a minority party. The Free Shitters are an ever-increasing majority, and as they start to infest the urban centers of red states through immigration or breeding like fucking pubic lice, count on the Senate being lost for good.

It's demographic DOOM! whether you realize it or not.

Look on the bright side though, Gabe. The next majority moonbat SCOTUS will not only make gay marriage the law of the land, but they'll even force the Catholic Church to perform the ceremony on pain of losing their tax exempt status.

So that's your upside. Mine is a bit smaller - I get to unload one of the useless wedding gifts I got ten years ago.

Bread machine or electric fondue pot - what's your pleasure, dude?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2012 07:48 AM (JDIKC)

99 Spy drone hunting. No bag limit and just claim you thought it was coming right at you. Self defense. If the government can arm their drones, bet PETA would love to arm theirs with paint bombs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 20, 2012 07:49 AM (9dIqT)

100 I have a chafing dish I'd like to unload, but I suspect Gabe chafes enough already.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 07:50 AM (BeSEI)

101 Good morning, morons.

Got some fun background on Gypsy Taub, the nudist fighting for her right to show off her pooter in San Francisco.

Her 2007 groundbreaking investigative piece, "Is Cheney about to blow up the Bay Bridge?" and pictures of her putting an American flag where is doesn't belong (and her body ain't bad for a crazy hippie truther chick).

http://tinyurl.com/d7zdj7x

Posted by: W.C. Varones at November 20, 2012 07:51 AM (QMAPJ)

102 81 -

I'm not sure what your data is supposed to mean. You have Ds in the last two columns for Missouri, is that supposed to be these last two elections? If so, check again. Missouri didn't go for the Scoamf.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 07:51 AM (BeSEI)

103 OK, I have done a little research and calculations show that Romney actually got a higher percentage of the total population vote than Bush did in 2000.


So choomboy's turnout was actually the cause of the loss, not Romney.


Low turnout is a myth.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:52 AM (YdQQY)

104 2 weeks and the recriminations and circular firing squads continue!!!!!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 20, 2012 07:52 AM (OWjjx)

105 2 weeks and the recriminations and circular firing squads continue!!!!!

Yes, and the beatings will continue until morale improves.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 07:54 AM (feFL6)

106 Bread machine or electric fondue pot - what's your pleasure, dude?

Well, lets see. The bread machine might be handy when the Zombie Apcolyspe hits, I can have some nice, warm crunchy french bread as I am eaten alive. On the other hand, how big is the fomdue pot, cause I can fill it with pudding to dip with?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 20, 2012 07:54 AM (OWjjx)

107 " The Free Shitters are an ever-increasing majority, and as they start to infest the urban centers of red states through immigration or breeding like fucking pubic lice, count on the Senate being lost for good. "

Sadly, I agree. What possible solution is there to this?

Who here hasn't met someone who is totally unashamed of their free unemployment, student welfare, food stamps, and SSI disability?

I met someone who was on SSI disability and on their way to go camping. I know people who work 40 hours a week and are bringing in less money.

Our culture has no shame now. What solution is there to this? Even if we have fiscal collapse, the selfish and dependent will not get off their asses except to riot.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 07:55 AM (D9999)

108 60
or we can start moving to swing states (we meaning conservatives) for the next 2 to 3 years, become a residents and vote, once our guy is in, then we can move back.
I know crazy ideas, but all the rational ideas don't seem to work.


Why move? Just register as many times as you can and cast absentee ballots.

I would never say for anyone to commit vote fraud. But it could happen.

By the way, the GOP stabbed West in the face. His election was stolen and the presidency was stolen. It speaks to the utter lack of honor, cultivated from inside the beltway, of both parties. This is the WWE, and the GOP are playing the heel on purpose.

and this stolen election has been entirely embargoed here above the fold. Andy even rolled out to tell us how stupid we are and to sit down and shut up.

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 07:55 AM (I2LwF)

109 @108

Transposed a row

Updated

1 - Iowa - D, D, D, D, R, D, D
2 - New Hampshire - R, D, D, R, D, D, D
3 - South Carolina - R, R, R, R, R, R, R
4 - Florida - R, R, D, R, R, R, D, D
5 - Nevada - R, D, D, R, R,D, D
6 - Colorado - R, R, D,R,R, R, D, D
7 - Minesotta - D, D, D, D, D, D, D
8 - Missouri - R, R, D, D, R, R, R
9 - Maine - R, R, D, D, D, D, D, D
10 - Arizona - R, R, D, D, R, R, R, R
11 - Michigan - R, R, D, D, D, D, D
12 - Wyoming - R, R, R, R, R, R, R
13 - Washington - R, D, D, D, D, D, D

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 07:55 AM (RrD4h)

110 Mitt did not get the 2008 votes Obama lost.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 07:56 AM (AynOt)

111 Her 2007 groundbreaking investigative piece, "Is Cheney about to blow up the Bay Bridge?"


Don't keep us in suspense; did he blow up the bridge?

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2012 07:57 AM (z9HTb)

112 Gabe if you want to update the main post Bush-II got 17.93% of the population in votes in 2000. Multiplying that by the current population you have 56085040 votes. Romney got 59829344 votes.


Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:57 AM (YdQQY)

113 :::Got some fun background on Gypsy Taub, the nudist fighting for her right to show off her pooter in San Francisco:::

She is definitely your basic pleasure model.

But that bush! Like she has Buckwheat in a figure-four leg lock.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2012 07:57 AM (JDIKC)

114
and this stolen election has been entirely embargoed here above the fold. Andy even rolled out to tell us how stupid we are and to sit down and shut up.Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 07:55 AM (I2LwF)I hear ya, we must not speak of it, shhhh

Posted by: spypeach at November 20, 2012 07:57 AM (pwTow)

115 Let's see what happens when the useful idiots being paid minimum wage by the unions get in between the front doors and the Black Friday mobs.

Should be interesting.

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 20, 2012 07:57 AM (nw0Vt)

116 (and her body ain't bad for a crazy hippie truther
chick).

Hit her now boys because it will not last.

Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 07:57 AM (hl8SI)

117 I have the election lose all figured out. Turnout was low because the RNC shoved a RINO down our throat by their blue state first primary system and open primaries. Then the RNC screwed up by letting Akins and all the SoCons run things because the RNC was too weak to shove Akins out and tell the SoCons to be quite. Then Romney screwed up by not being tough enough on Obama. And OCRA. And low turnout. And fraud, voter fraud. And the RNC.

And all of our problems will be fixed if we implement a primary system that selects the candidate I want, and that candidate runs a campaign that I want.

Got it?

Posted by: Yea, It Really Is That Simple at November 20, 2012 07:58 AM (OWjjx)

118 It would be nice to run a real conservative for a change to see what happens.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 08:01 AM (YdQQY)

119 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:01 AM (8y9MW)

120 110 -

http://preview.tinyurl.com/d6xceww

Independents... where did they go?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 08:01 AM (BeSEI)

121 Clinton to Israel: "Stop it, you meanies!"
Clinton to Egypt: "Make those meanies stop it!"
Clinton to Hamas: "It's okay, sweetums, we won't let those bad meanies hurt you."

Tell me I'm wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:01 AM (8y9MW)

122 Tell me I'm wrong.

Other than the giving away of (our) money......nope.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 20, 2012 08:03 AM (OWjjx)

123 117 -

I agree. And what I want the GOP to do is nominate a gay hispanic woman, so we can stop being called mean names by the press.

With that stragety, we can't lose!

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2012 08:04 AM (BeSEI)

124 If shitheads send flying objects over your property to spy on you, can you shoot it down?

If "your property" is a shooting club where you're shooting at airborne targets? How do the enviro-weenies prove you didn't just miss?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:05 AM (8y9MW)

125 If you think this system will produce anything except a
milk toast moderate to liberal candidate I got some swamp land to sell you.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 07:34 AM (RrD4h)

The system is rigged from the bottom to the top.

Start a new party. Hold meetings. Organize a convention.

You'll need this new party for the recovery after the collapse. Might as well get started now.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:07 AM (AynOt)

126 While I get your point, merely matching McCain isn't exactly great turnout.

BTW Allen West concedes race.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 20, 2012 08:09 AM (fCMdQ)

127 President Obama on Sunday played down the notion that the conflict between Israel and Hamas has been complicated by “Arab spring” transitions in the Middle East.

Despite warnings from various Arab leaders and Turkey that Israel faces a new environment in the changing Middle East, Obama pointed out that conflict between Israelis and Palestinians had been going on long before what he described as “democratization in the region.” [...]

Asked in Bangkok whether the Arab spring “has made matters worse,” Obama demurred.

“Let’s just remember that the exact same situation arose just a couple of years ago, before the Arab spring,” he replied, alluding to the 22-day Israeli military operation against Hamas in Dec. 2008-Jan. 2009, also prompted by escalated rocket attacks.

“So I don’t think anybody would suggest somehow that it’s unique to democratization in the region that there’s a conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians. That’s been going on for several decades now.”


This just shows how stupid and/or intentionally uniformed obama is. Yes this was going on before the "Arab Spring" but before Egypt was ruled by the MBH ( Muslim BrotherHood) Hamas did NOT have FJ5 missiles that were brought there from both the Sudan and Libya ( since Gaddafi fell) THRU Egypt who either allowed it or closed their eyes. You dumb fuckin idiot!
Oh and Good Morning all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 08:09 AM (79ueO)

128 #40 etc - yeah nice that Romney has matched McCain but with R winning independents and assuming some of the 6MM that left O went to R (instead of just not voting) R's vote total should have been a least a few million higher than McCain's and therefore higher than O's.
Still missing a couple million votes. Still need to know why - negative adverstising worked, religion, Paulians, bad campaign ground game, bad Republican brand, fraud, etc

Posted by: NoBama12 at November 20, 2012 08:09 AM (ykY2u)

129 Tried to contact the Republican Party of Allegheny County (Pittsburgh, PA). Never heard from them.

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 20, 2012 08:10 AM (nw0Vt)

130 The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit and the Democrat Machine mows it down.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:10 AM (AynOt)

131 How is low turnout for Romney a myth when Romney is essentially tied with a candidate Republicans didn't turn out for?

Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at November 20, 2012 08:10 AM (JVCVF)

132 The lines to vote on Tuesday in red precincts ranged from extremely heavy to historic, and we only come up with McCain numbers? Yeah, mm-hmm, totally.

There was widespread, systematic, electronic vote stealing. I am sure of it.

We're missing millions of Romney votes.

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 08:12 AM (I2LwF)

133 How is low turnout for Romney a myth when Romney is essentially tied with a candidate Republicans didn't turn out for?

Shhhh! He's rolling.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:12 AM (8y9MW)

134 If you can't beat a complete failure like Obama, you are the bigger failure.

Mitt: Epic Fail.

GOP: Epic Fail.

GOP Apologists: Epic Fail.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:13 AM (AynOt)

135 The election is over and so is math class, lets move on. Not that this math stuff is not important, but shit it is way way to early in the AM. I once had an 8 AM Advanced Physics class in College and that sucked also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 08:14 AM (79ueO)

136 low turnout myth? turnout went down for the 1st time in 16 years, about 3 million registered Rs who came out in 08 didnt come out this time. Larger numbers when you include those who came out in 04 but not 08 and 12. Malor keeps burying his head in the sand about the turnout issue. Again not the only reason we lost, but a major one.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:14 AM (yAor6)

137 #96

WTF? There was never a Nixon/Ford ticket. Ford replaced Agnew after the 1972 election when Agnew resigned. Ford then became President when Nixon resigned.

Posted by: epobirs at November 20, 2012 08:14 AM (kcfmt)

138 "Well, if they run either one of those two I will be voting 3rd Party in 2016."

...IF? It is. Regardless of the puppet on the ticket, the GOP has no room for constitutional governance.*

23.X
33.Ø
41.X

So far as 3rd parties go, better organize sooner and plan for the lifetime long-haul. The point, Constitutional Renaissance.

Nationally? Won't happen until local states each organize. Hence the GOP Convention 2012 wildfire to extinguish grassroots conservatism to maintain it's illusion for the masses including 33. who just want to belong, no matter the ideology. No getting out of the "stuck on stupid" rut without SELF reflection. Get over the bipartisan major parties, and don't expect "victory" over the masses. Just plug for memory. http://tinyurl.com/y679fu

First thing, platform. Just the facts. Meat, potatoes and greens. And to hell with "charisma". Special effects can stay on the silver screen. The idiotic self-serving intelligentsia and the foolish slaves buy into the revisionist propaganda, inflating its value "too big to fail." pfft

*If the GOP were devoted to constitutional governance, then explain DHS, the Patriot Act inception and
perpetuation despite the facts, and TARP. The GOP is the party of Boehner and Cornyn. If it weren't, they wouldn't have their positions of authority. Re: DHS, Where's all the shared intelligence
prior to, during and after Benghazi massacre? Re: Patriot Act vs. Bill of Rights, when the highest authorities in the federal government have THEIR rights abused (i.e., CIA Director Petraeus correspondence and calls illegally monitored and recorded), look again at your own position.

Remember Band of Brothers' most poignant line.

Posted by: at November 20, 2012 08:15 AM (BAnPT)

139 The election is over and so is math class, lets move on. Not that this
math stuff is not important, but shit it is way way to early in the AM.


So what should we talk about, then?

http://binged.it/QVydPQ

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:15 AM (8y9MW)

140 The republicans turned out and were not counted.

Broken glass, remember?

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 08:16 AM (I2LwF)

141 Now the Democrats have enough control where all they have to do is push for a close election, which they secure by cheating.

The GOP is too weak-hearted and corrupt to do what it takes to win.

New Party, please.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:16 AM (AynOt)

142 http://binged.it/QVydPQ


Posted by: AllenG
-------------------------------
Yeah ! That works for me....

Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 20, 2012 08:17 AM (c8hZ5)

143 <i>1
Good Morning Morons. Today is Tuesday, November 20, 2012. On this day in
1945 the U.S. began the Nuremberg war crimes trials. I think that this
was a mistake although some certainly deserved their fate.



Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)</i>
As I like to remind 'rule of law' enthusiasts, "Befehl ist befehl" translates rather well as "the law is the law."
They don't seem to appreciate it.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at November 20, 2012 08:17 AM (2VCZA)

144 I see some folks are still blaming Romney. I actually blame the GOP GOTV. I thought Mitt overall ran a far better campaign then McCain and was the best debater the GOP has had on the national level since Reagan. But GOP GOTV was a bust. I think you can divide blame on that b/w Mitt's Boston HQ and the GOP. Reince Preibus is running for re-election as chair, if I had a vote i'd actually vote No. Dude seemed more worried being on twitter then actually getting folks to show up.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:18 AM (yAor6)

145 So what should we talk about, then?

http://binged.it/QVydPQ
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:15 AM (8y9MW)


Well I don't usually talk about her. Dream yes, talk no.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 08:18 AM (79ueO)

146 low turnout myth? turnout went down for the 1st time in 16 years, about 3 million registered Rs who came out in 08 didnt come out this time. Larger numbers when you include those who came out in 04 but not 08 and 12. Malor keeps burying his head in the sand about the turnout issue. Again not the only reason we lost, but a major one.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:14 AM (yAor6)

The "Fuck You, Have Fun Storming the Castle" quiet revolution is underway.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:19 AM (AynOt)

147 By the way, the GOP stabbed West in the face. His election was stolen and the presidency was stolen. It speaks to the utter lack of honor, cultivated from inside the beltway, of both parties. This is the WWE, and the GOP are playing the heel on purpose.

And I guaran-fucking-tee you that West, in his decision to concede, probably thought, "It wouldn't be fair to my constituents to leave them without a represenative for who knows how long while this is dragged out."

He fell on his sword for the good of the country. A country that doesn't deserve him and a party that absolutely does not deserve him. Do you think any Democrat slimewould say, "I'll bow out for the good of the country?" One of the reasons I'm in the LIB camp is the hope that, when it all comes crashing down, Democrats will be turned out of office and marched towards the nooses on the lampposts.

It's also why the GOP needs to be put down and a real, conservativeparty who pounds it into its members' heads every damn day that Democrats are your enemy as much as - and perhaps even more so - than Al Qaeda! They are not to be compromised with, argued with or accommodated. They are to be crushed.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2012 08:19 AM (zF6Iw)

148 Tried to contact the Republican Party of Allegheny County (Pittsburgh, PA). Never heard from them."

---prolly cuz they dont EXIST there. look to the metro area

Posted by: laughing at neck braces at November 20, 2012 08:19 AM (nVqtU)

149 AmericanDawg, that was fast even by moron standards.

Good job!

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 08:19 AM (I2LwF)

150 Well I don't usually talk about her. Dream yes, talk no.

Fair. How would you like to be the painter in those first couple of shots, though?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:20 AM (8y9MW)

151 "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country "

Charles E Weller - 1867

Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 20, 2012 08:21 AM (c8hZ5)

152 I agree with Gabe low turnout was a myth started because all the votes were not counted when they called the election. As I posted about, Romney got a higher persentage of votes that Bush.


The problem was the massive turnout of black and white free shit voters in the swing States. In 2016 the blacks will not have that big of a turnout. The other free shit voters will though.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 08:22 AM (YdQQY)

153 Oslo folk: http://preview.tinyurl.com/c2cef3j
But the key point is farther down: "which senior Labor Party members in Norway didn’t have close contacts with the KGB? Much of this was swept under the rug in the 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union." The situation in Norway was a mikrokosmos (to use the Norwegian) of that of fellow travelers everywhere. No one used the information made public about who was actually employed by the KGB, nor pored over public remarks to identify those who were on the side of International Socialism, to expose them and then to make the case for their public humiliation and ridicule. Now they're in power in many places, including Washington, D.C.
There was no middle ground tenable in the Cold War. Socialism, whether National or International, killed far more people than malaria did in the 20th-c. It wasn't just a difference of opinion.
And notice how the same accommodation are now made for Islam-fascism.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:22 AM (1V6Pv)

154 149
AmericanDawg, that was fast even by moron standards.



Good job! -Posted by: Truman North
-------------------------------------------

I Pre -Moroned her...

Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 20, 2012 08:23 AM (c8hZ5)

155 Fair. How would you like to be the painter in those first couple of shots, though?

I don't think you actually get to have sex with her. So... That would actually be pretty horrible.

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 08:24 AM (I2LwF)

156 BTW Allen West concedes race.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 20, 2012 08:09 AM (fCMdQ)


This makes me sick and is probably the final bit of evidence of what a useless pile of shit the GOP is. Who the fuck got protected through redistricting? The next Cheeto Crist? A national asset has been squandered for what must be parochial concerns. West was right in the donks' crosshairs and the Repukes just folded like cheap cards. Is that worthless fuck governor who sold out George Zimmerman the biggest tea party turncoat since Scotty Centerfold?

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 08:24 AM (8e62C)

157 137. Ford then became President when Nixon resigned.
**

Always bugged the hell out of me. Both of Nixon's election campaigns were so divisive. His administration proved so utterly corrupt. By God, just look at what Kissinger did to America. Whatever corruption Agnew personified, and Watergate; hell, no better means to cover the root ruin than stupidity on display.


Posted by: at November 20, 2012 08:24 AM (BAnPT)

158 It would like being a porn cinematographer.

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 08:25 AM (I2LwF)

159 NY Times now completely in lock-step with the Ogabe Regime: http://preview.tinyurl.com/cdc6njo

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:26 AM (1V6Pv)

160 I don't think you actually get to have sex with her. So... That would actually be pretty horrible.

Well, no. And I'm almost 100% certain that guy was gay (because you don't subject yourself to that torture otherwise). But it's a nice fapable fantasy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:26 AM (8y9MW)

161 OT: I beat my kids last night












At board games

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 08:26 AM (I2LwF)

162 If Amnesty goes through, it won't matter what the GOP does. They will lose for the 100 years.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:26 AM (AynOt)

163 If I was her painter ,
She would probably complain about me poking her sides...

Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 20, 2012 08:26 AM (c8hZ5)

164 as for the Hispanic vote issue, I think there's some head burying by both sides on that one. Look if you think we can win with Hispanics going 70%+ Dem then you're smoking something i'd love to get my hands on. That said it's not a cure all to improve with that demographic. Even if you swing 20%+ Hispanics from Obama to Romney (and thus have Bush-like numbers with them) you only flip FL (which O won by less then 1%) if all other demographics remain the same. We should improve with them but we also don't have to panic act like we must win them in masses.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:26 AM (yAor6)

165 NY Times now completely in lock-step with the Ogabe Regime:

Film at 11?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:27 AM (8y9MW)

166 "If Amnesty goes through, it won't matter what the GOP does. They will lose for the 100 years."

If Blacks get to vote, it won't matter what the Dems do. They will lose for the next 100 years.

Posted by: Dems In The 1870s at November 20, 2012 08:28 AM (yAor6)

167

150 Well I don't usually talk about her. Dream yes, talk no.

Fair. How would you like to be the painter in those first couple of shots, though?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:20 AM (8y9MW)





Finger painting is my chosen medium.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 08:29 AM (Rhie+)

168 Fair. How would you like to be the painter in those first couple of shots, though?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:20 AM (8y9MW)


Most body paint artists - especially for (*ahem*) close up work like that - are actually women. That would be something to blog about.

If you had a blog.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2012 08:29 AM (zF6Iw)

169 Romney beat McCain?
That's good.

Too bad he wasn't running against him.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 20, 2012 08:29 AM (BF5Y9)

170 Fuck these guys.

Lizzy Warren has inspired me. In putting down in law school apps that I'm a gay native American.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 08:30 AM (r4GuR)

171 If Blacks get to vote, it won't matter what the Dems do. They will lose for the next 100 years.
Posted by: Dems In The 1870s at November 20, 2012 08:28 AM (yAor6)

That's why they restored the Plantation in the 1960's. Ask LBJ.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:30 AM (AynOt)

172 "That's why they restored the Plantation in the 1960's. Ask LBJ."

more like 1930s, LBJ just closed the deal after 30+ years of the black vote drifting left

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:31 AM (yAor6)

173 Turn out = votes counted.
Does anyone really think We The People were somehow enervated between 2010 and now?
The Dem.-Commies either cheated or the Free Shit Army was unnaturally large in the vote count. (And for those without the benefit of a philosophy degree, "or" can mean "either/or and not both", or "either/or and maybe both".
Tune out all mention of "turn out" and "demographics" purporting to explain this result. At best it is a red herring. Keep foremost in your mind that Liberty, while it must be won, works for all (if they're good). The shit we got, conservative shit, this here shit sell itself. (Apologies to fans of "Heat" (1995)).

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:32 AM (1V6Pv)

174
158 It would like being a porn cinematographer.
Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 08:25 AM (I2LwF)






"Candee Stryper does the cameraman too!" is a fairly common pron trope y'know.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 08:33 AM (Rhie+)

175 "That's why they restored the Plantation in the 1960's. Ask LBJ."

more like 1930s, LBJ just closed the deal after 30+ years of the black vote drifting left
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:31 AM (yAor6)

Agree and the Plantation is growing.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:33 AM (AynOt)

176 "Does anyone really think We The People were somehow enervated between 2010 and now?"

again you can't compare voters as a whole. you have to see them as individuals and sub-groups. In 2010 a lot of Reps came out who didnt have to bitch about the head of the ticket, and likewise many low info Dem voters didnt come out because they had no messiah as the top of the ticket. I foresee a similar situation in 2014, many who didnt come out in 08 and 12 will show up and some who showed up in 08 and 12 won't come out. Different Presidents bring different coalitions. problem for Dems is Obama is his own coalition. He was useless to them in 2010 w/o him being on the ticket and the same will happen in 2014.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:35 AM (yAor6)

177
"Well, Romney's numbers are now larger than McCain's -- by about 10,000 votes. "




Mccain vote: 59,948,323
US Population growth rate: 1%
Time since 2008: 4 years

Expected vote change due just to population growth: 59,948,323 * 1% * 4 = 2,397,933*

*Sorry, I don't compound this early





Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2012 08:35 AM (kdS6q)

178 It appears the bottom fell out of the E-Bay Twinkie market....

The free market always expose the Idiots......

Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 20, 2012 08:36 AM (c8hZ5)

179 WTF? There was never a Nixon/Ford ticket. Ford replaced Agnew after the 1972 election when Agnew resigned. Ford then became President when Nixon resigned.

Yeah, that's correct. I was working from memory. It was a Nixon/Agnew ticket twice, but Agnew resigned in year five.

But the scary point remains, that it's been either a Nixon or a Bush somewhere on the ticket since 1933, or the Republicans don't win.

Please don't confuse pointing this out as a plug for Jeb Bush, cause I think the Bush Brand(tm) is destroyed in the voters minds.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 20, 2012 08:36 AM (feFL6)

180 Turn out = votes counted.
Does anyone really think We The People were somehow enervated between 2010 and now?
The Dem.-Commies either cheated or the Free Shit Army was unnaturally large in the vote count. (And for those without the benefit of a philosophy degree, "or" can mean "either/or and not both", or "either/or and maybe both".
Tune out all mention of "turn out" and "demographics" purporting to explain this result. At best it is a red herring. Keep foremost in your mind that Liberty, while it must be won, works for all (if they're good). The shit we got, conservative shit, this here shit sell itself. (Apologies to fans of "Heat" (1995)).
Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:32 AM (1V6Pv)

All the work done by the TEA Party to take the House and give it to the GOP was wasted by the GOP in 2011 and 2012.

That is why Mitt lost.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:36 AM (AynOt)

181 BUT YOU ARE UTTERLY MISSING THE POINT!

Th last 4 elections turnout has grown by a minimum of 7%. During hotly contested elections such as Bush/Kerry it grew 19%! This year during what many would argue was even more hotly contested that Bush/Kerry turnout dropped a staggering 10!.

Republican EV surged a dramatic 15% and Romney went from a -8 with Independents to a +5. And STILL, he barely matched McCain? Since Obama lost 8 million voters this means that 1) roughly 16 million whites simply did not vote and 2) Basically no one who voted for Obama in 2008 voted for Romney this year and 3) Republican turnout on election day was practically non-existent despite reports from the field of mobbed polling sites.

Merely matching McCain's vote total given the increase in Independent votes for Romney means an astounding collapse of Republican support.

This is clear evidence of massive tabulation fraud. We have just experienced the single greatest dropoff in the electorate in modern history in a year where history tells us it should have grown close to 19%.

Wake up people. NOBODY gave a damn about McCain. he had no GOTV and zero enthusiasm yet he turned out far more Republicans than Romney?

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 20, 2012 08:36 AM (hlUJY)

182
In 2016 the blacks will not have that big of a turnout.





Why? You think the Dems can't find another halfblack-red-diaper baby to run?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 20, 2012 08:37 AM (2XIMV)

183 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2012 08:35 AM (kdS6q)

shush, we must ignore the turnout issue. it's the big Elephant in the room we're too scared to talk about.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:37 AM (yAor6)

184 I am naked

Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 08:38 AM (uFY4s)

185
Truman-
You're supposed to let your kids barely beat you at board games, lest you ruin their self esteem.
Now, dosed with reality, they might grow up and be, gasp, self sufficient.

Posted by: Justamom at November 20, 2012 08:38 AM (Sptt8)

186 ugh. Jeb Bush or FatMan. No. I did my duty as a "good" republican in 2008 for McCain and again in 2012 for Romney. No more.

Fool me once, shame on you....Fool me twice, shame on me.
Posted by: jj at November 20, 2012 07:12 AM (gWO5X)


If thats the case we have 3 years to get a viable 3rd party up and running....Federalist-Tea Party?

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 20, 2012 08:38 AM (JWLqy)

187 In 2004 44.8 million Republicans voted. In 2012, however, despite four years of Obama and the prospect of four more, only 39 million Republicans voted.

That's not a candidate problem. That's not a packaging problem. That's not even a GOTV problem. That's a people problem.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at November 20, 2012 08:38 AM (r2PLg)

188 Israel should just announce: "After we clean out this nest of vipers we will cease fire. In the future, we will respond to each attack, missile for missile as close to the launch site as we can get. If Palestinians want Peace and Security they can control the missile launching jihadists or live with the consequences."

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 08:39 AM (6H6FZ)

189 I will rape you all

Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 08:40 AM (uFY4s)

190 Death to the jooooooooooooooös

Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 08:42 AM (uFY4s)

191 Spread Propaganda.

Vote with your feet.

Go Galt.

Prepare.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:42 AM (AynOt)

192 "That's a people problem."

just looks at the blogs during the election. You had various folks saying they would sit out because they weren't happy with Mitt as the nominee. Now this was a clear minority of people, but in an election as close as this one (just flip 400K votes in FL+OH+VA+CO and Mitt passes 270) it adds up. also Rasmussen was the only pollster i'm aware of that was aggressively polling the "undecideds". He found that they were Republicans or Republican-leaning Independents that were pissed with O but unhappy with Mitt as the alternative. The saying was that Mitt needed to get these folks to come out because they'd hold their noses and vote for him. Instead they sat out.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:42 AM (yAor6)

193 @176 again you can't compare voters as a whole
Huh? We're not counting votes any more?
If you mean that elections have now come down to finessing the Electoral College, let's waterboard Michael Barone to find out which Ohio precincts they have to tweek.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:43 AM (1V6Pv)

194 Is Judge Joe Heaton white? Cause, you know; Hell.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 08:43 AM (DoZD+)

195 Instead they sat out.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:42 AM (yAor6)

They did and their ranks will swell as long as the GOP keeps cranking out weak shit.

Anybody here think the GOP is going to grow a pair and start doing what need be done?

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:46 AM (AynOt)

196 Wal-Mart filing complaint against the unions who plan protests during after Thanksgiving Day sales.
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Wal-Mart received an Obma'amacare waiver. I don't see why they can't just buy a protest waiver. (Mexification of America in more ways than one.)

Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 08:47 AM (eEfYn)

197 74
I am not impressed with Jindal at all.


Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 07:29 AM (YdQQY)***Or Rubio. Butthurt doesn't impress me.

Posted by: Klawnet at November 20, 2012 08:48 AM (ePxxX)

198 @192 "He found that they were Republicans or Republican-leaning Independents that were pissed with O but unhappy with Mitt as the alternative." If that's true, no party representing rational adults will ever win. "Why are you speaking this bullshit to me?" (apologies to fans of "Get Shorty".)
C'mon! We The People can't choose correctly between an outlandish simulacrum of an American, and someone who might possibly have found a backbone despite his Etchasketch campaign advisors? (Who should all be waterboarded, by the way, or at least should be publicly identified, ridiculed, and humiliated.) "You couldn';t win an election against THE WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY? BITCH?"

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:49 AM (1V6Pv)

199 Listen up you fucks.

It is not fair to criticize the Dem Governor of Mass who championed carbon credits, bank bailouts, and socialized healthcare. HE WAS THE MOST ELECTIBLE.

Now shut up and accept the candidates the party elite shove up your ass. He was perfect. It's your fault for disagreeing with his party-insider-picked-perfection.

Sarc off.

I'm mystified as to how some of you are confused as to why Mitt lost. It's not complicated.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 08:50 AM (7nwJ6)

200 In short, the GOP needs to find their Obama. Someone who drives low info Rep voters or less then likely to come out Reps as well. Someone who wins the base over instantly, and has coattails that help a Dem or two win a very close Senate election. I frankly think we can compare our situations to where Dems were in 88 04. I am optimistic a leader will come forward. If that's Rubio or West or whatever favorite Republican you have I don't know, but I think we will see a leader rise. The fact is that while I was more excited to vote for Mitt then McCain it was never really a voter FOR them but more of a vote AGAINST O.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:50 AM (yAor6)

201 192 "The saying was that Mitt needed to get these folks to come out because
they'd hold their noses and vote for him. Instead they sat out."

He did not court the base. He did not acknowledge the existence of the Tea Party. He snubbed Palin and alienated her voters. Those people matched their enthusiasm for Mitt to his regard for them. How many votes did that cost him? Just enough.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 08:50 AM (6H6FZ)

202 ::::;Fair. How would you like to be the painter in those first couple of shots, though?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:20 AM (8y9MW) ::::

OSHA would shut me down. I'd be leaking so much that there would be a constant slip-and-fall hazard.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2012 08:51 AM (CnrK5)

203 PS: John was the much better lyricist and guitar player and fuck you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2012 07:12 AM (XkWWK)

FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 08:51 AM (GsoHv)

204 He did not court the base.

I think that he thought (and I know that I thought) the base was kind of pre-courted. Seriously, I cannot understand the kind of Republican who could look at Obama, then look at Mitt, and say, "Ah, fuck it. I'm staying home and eating Cheetos."

Does. Not. Compute.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:53 AM (8y9MW)

205 Good luck with that one since Ovomitous has filled the national labor board with union stooges. Elections have consequences.

-----------

Is it wrong if I find this very enjoyable, in light of Wal-Mart's support for Obamacare and the Walton children's donating to the JEF himself? I hate it for the actual Wal-Mart workers who aren't interested in union bs, and the nice normal people who will be shopping, but if it makes Wal-Mart get off the Obama train I think there's a silver lining.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 08:53 AM (2KBjW)

206 Fear my vagina dentata

Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 08:53 AM (uFY4s)

207 ""You couldn';t win an election against THE WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY? BITCH?""

not a lot of folks agree with that. I happen to despise O and definitely put him in the Mt Rushmore of bad Presidents. But overall he has positive favorables even gaining some among those who voted against him twice. The overall electorate likes him personally and wants him to succeed. They think his 1st term was a disappointment but still hold on to hope that somehow things will get better in his 2nd term. His current job approval rating has shot up to 51% avg, the highest since the Bin Laden killing. Typical post-transition bump. I frankly think we will see a major economic collapse that could make 08 look like a walk in the park. When that hits the patience some have shown can vanish. 2nd terms tend to be when the public loses their cool with Presidents.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:53 AM (yAor6)

208 Marlo Thomas = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 08:53 AM (DoZD+)

209 Jeb, lardass, whoever, it doesn't matter. I will hold my nose and vote for the R nominee. It's our only chance to put the brakes on decline. But I agree, the primary process has to be fixed.

Posted by: real joe at November 20, 2012 08:53 AM (6SJ8i)

210 Phil Donahue = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 08:54 AM (DoZD+)

211 People, people, people... do any one of you actually know for a fact that anyone refused to vote against Ogabe?
Sitting it out = the basest petulance
(Yeah fuckin' Mitt was the worst, with the exception of Ogabe. No, duh!)

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:54 AM (1V6Pv)

212 "and has coattails that help a Dem or two win a very close Senate election."

OOPS! I meant a Rep or two*

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:54 AM (yAor6)

213 John Fund on the West election debacle. It looks like there were some major “irregularities” going on. The steal was on. http://is.gd/KSq8dW
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:50 AM (YdQQY)
--
This didn't just happen in Florida. It also happened in the other swing states. 300,000 votes are easy to steal.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 20, 2012 08:54 AM (FZnrK)

214 Fuck Me!!

Posted by: elena kagan at November 20, 2012 08:54 AM (uFY4s)

215 Mitt, like many of his GOP buddies, despised the TEA Party.

Hey, Mitt, still staring at the ORCA printouts?

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:55 AM (AynOt)

216 He did not court the base. He did not acknowledge
the existence of the Tea Party. He snubbed Palin and alienated her
voters. Those people matched their enthusiasm for Mitt to his regard for
them. How many votes did that cost him? Just enough.


Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 08:50 AM (6H6FZ)


I thought Paul Ryan was the bone he tossed us.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 08:55 AM (8e62C)

217 @207 Yo, are you just a Northeasterner, or a Northeastern Presbyterian clergyman who also operates as an Etchasketch campaign advisor?
Do you even own a gun?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:56 AM (1V6Pv)

218 I can't believe they've done another Les Miserables (with Anne Hathaway, yet).

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 08:56 AM (DoZD+)

219 I Amory Arabian descent cracker

Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 08:56 AM (uFY4s)

220 Finger painting is my chosen medium.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2012 08:29 AM (Rhie+)

I might use my tongue, and the taste of the paint be damned!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 08:56 AM (GsoHv)

221 "Average Americans have common sense. They know that
there are always enough stupid, ignorant, dishonest voters to
carry any election; they know that demagogues, liars, hillbilly
bands, popular actors and orators, free picnics and votebuying
can always corral enough voters. They know that these
extensions of the franchise have broken down the moral standards
of American politics, and have so overcome the moral
character of American politicians that both parties use these
methods of getting votes. And that therefore an election is
merely a sporting event, like a ball game, its outcome depending
on luck as well as on skill, and its object being no more
than to get ballots into boxes, and men into office.
Unquestionably, these extensions of the franchise are dangerous
to individual liberty and human rights.

They are dangerous because, by amending the Constitutions,
they destroy representative government and increase the danger
of democracy—which always creates an irresponsible tyrant.
And they are dangerous because they are made in the
superstitious belief that individuals can control a Government
that can control individuals, and therefore they tend to increase
the false, counter-revolutionary belief that Government
is an Authority controlling men and responsible for their
welfare.

More and more, the multitudes who vote are believing this,
and demanding that Government be responsible for their living
conditions.
The fact is that nothing but human energy working productively
can produce any of the necessities of human life, any
human living conditions.
Men in Government can not be responsible for activities
which they do not control, and never can control. Police can
no more control any man's working than they can control
his drinking or his breathing. The whole of history proves
this, if common sense does not. Government regulation, government
"control," slows down production, hinders it, prevents
it, reduces it, and can not possibly control it."

Rose Wilder Lane
Discovering Freedom

Posted by: MarkC at November 20, 2012 08:56 AM (Kf68R)

222

" He snubbed Palin and alienated her voters."

I can't recall Romney making an effort to win them over.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 08:56 AM (D9999)

223 Jeb, lardass, whoever, it doesn't matter. I will hold my nose and vote for the R nominee. It's our only chance to put the brakes on decline. But I agree, the primary process has to be fixed.
Posted by: real joe at November 20, 2012 08:53 AM (6SJ8i)

I won't. I am through with that shit.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:57 AM (AynOt)

224 ##108, how did the GOP stab West in the face? I have herd nothing about that?

Posted by: Annabanana at November 20, 2012 08:57 AM (EjpKz)

225
Ohio Election Results

Mccain 2008: 2,677,820
Romney 2012: 2,593,779

Change: -84,041


But maybe some votes are still coming in from California...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2012 08:57 AM (kdS6q)

226 >>>185
Truman-
You're supposed to let your kids barely beat you at board games, lest you ruin their self esteem.
Now, dosed with reality, they might grow up and be, gasp, self sufficient.



Eh. There are enough games that rely on luck to a large degree that they beat me at. Additionally: if you get me out of my comfort zone of just a handful of computer games, I'm very beatable.

They beat me enough.

Speaking of board games, I used to have a dog who played chess. That may seem amazing to you, but he really sucked at it.

Posted by: Truman North at November 20, 2012 08:57 AM (I2LwF)

227 Something I read yesterday that boosted my spirits a bit. YMMV.

The Frogman's Prophecies...

http://tinyurl.com/cxos39y


Sadly, some among you seem to have all but given up. Reading through your reactions in the comments at PJ Media, Breitbart, Hotair and others, I see cries that "the Republic is dead", and even claims—shocking claims, for this Americanophile—to burn the flag because "it doesn’t mean anything anymore".

Old Glory doesn’t mean anything, simply because you woke up last Wednesday to a measly 4 millions popular votes difference? A battle of nearly 121 million voters finds you outnumbered by four and hear, hear: the Republic is dead and the war is lost?

Try and tell that to those Americans who found themselves outnumbered and outgunned by far more disadvantageous enemy ratios, whether in a forest in the Ardennes, a hill in Korea, a valley in Vietnam or a mountain in Afghanistan. Try and tell them you’re considering giving up and burning the flag in despair.

Even though I am just a French, I am quite certain I can predict their reaction.

Once again, you don’t need a lecture from this Frenchman, but it seems to me that some of you, in the emotion of that unexpected electoral defeat, forgot this simple fact: America is always outnumbered.

This unique nation, founded not on feudal or religious fault lines but on a radical philosophy of individual freedom isn’t the norm in this world: it is an anomaly. If you needed a quick and simple reminder on the basis for American exceptionalism, there you go.

America is always outnumbered and, until the rest of the world sees the guiding light and builds shining cities on America’s model—if that day ever comes—America will always be outnumbered.

Yet it doesn’t matter: America’s strength isn’t in numbers, it’s in her soul.
-----

Gives me a boost for a couple of minutes, then I look around at all the imbeciles and fall into despair again. Not a good four years to quit sniffing glue.

Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2012 08:57 AM (fWAjv)

228 Arabs are not like you pink pustules.

Posted by: helen thomas at November 20, 2012 08:57 AM (uFY4s)

229 "Yo, are you just a Northeasterner, or a Northeastern Presbyterian
clergyman who also operates as an Etchasketch campaign advisor?
Do you even own a gun?"

I'm in FL, i'm protestant and don't affiliate myself with any particular church, and I am a rookie with guns for the moment

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (yAor6)

230 I'm not doing an actual turkey. I'm smoking a turkey breast, a whole chicken, a butt load of trout and baking a ham. Stupid libs.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (DoZD+)

231 I thought Paul Ryan was the bone he tossed us.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 08:55 AM (8e62C)

----------

Silly me. I thought the bone was "vote for me and you won't have an America-hating asshole for President". I think that worked for the most socially conservative folks that I know...

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (2KBjW)

232 Allen,

Other than a basic understanding if economics, Mitt was identical to Obama on all major issues.

He was a democratic governor from Mass that championed carbon credits, bank bailouts, and socialized healthcare.

Sorry boss. The one with the basic comprehension problem is you.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (7nwJ6)

233 Wal-Mart filing complaint against the unions who plan protests during after Thanksgiving Day sales.

Walton donated $1M to Obama. He wants his money's worth, but he's unlikely to get it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (7zojM)

234 @181

Thread fucking winnaHHHH!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (RrD4h)

235 204 "Ah, fuck it. I'm staying home and eating Cheetos."

If people acted in a rational way, GOTV would not be necessary. I held my nose and voted. If I wasn't feeling so good or my transportation had a problem, I would not have busted my ass to get to the polling place. Multiply that by a few hundred thousand.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 08:59 AM (6H6FZ)

236 I think that he thought (and I know that I thought) the base was kind of pre-courted. Seriously, I cannot understand the kind of Republican who could look at Obama, then look at Mitt, and say, "Ah, fuck it. I'm staying home and eating Cheetos."

Does. Not. Compute.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 08:53 AM (8y9MW)

They saw little point in electing Obama-Lite. They wanted a real change at the Presidential level like they got with TEA Party candidates in 2010.

The GOP fucked too many folks up the ass in 2011 and 2012, and the GOP paid for it, hard.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:59 AM (AynOt)

237 10 The RNC in action. Jeb Bush and the Fat Man on top for 2016. They actually want to destroy the Party forever.
--------------------------------

That's the wet dream ticket unless it is stopped.

Maybe we can coax former Sen. Jim Bunning to run at the top of the ticket. Then we would have:

Bunning-Bush 2016.

Posted by: Stop Suppressing The SoCons! at November 20, 2012 09:00 AM (k1oMF)

238 Ohio Election Results

Mccain 2008: 2,677,820
Romney 2012: 2,593,779

Change: -84,041


But maybe some votes are still coming in from California...


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2012 08:57 AM (kdS6q)


I sent an email through the website of the Ohio Secretary of State on whether there will be an investigation of voting irregularities of areas that went 100% for the JEF. Haven't received a response (I'm sure he has better things to do than respond to every one and an autoresponse wouldn't count) but I know I'm not the only one that's on that.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 09:01 AM (8e62C)

239 @5

So I guess that Wal Mart heir's money that they sent to Obama didn't buy them any peace.

Fuck them.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 20, 2012 09:01 AM (wR+pz)

240 Other than a basic understanding if economics, Mitt was identical to Obama on all major issues.

During a time in the nation's history when absolutely NOTHING ELSE mattered...but economics.

The nation is suicidal. Burn it all down.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 09:02 AM (7zojM)

241 This Thursday, I will have an empty chair at the Thanksgiving table, and He will be served pie.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2012 09:02 AM (/ZZCn)

242 230
I'm not doing an actual turkey. I'm smoking a turkey breast, a whole
chicken, a butt load of trout and baking a ham. Stupid libs.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM

Yum. smoked trout sounds so good and very traditional.

Posted by: Long Island at November 20, 2012 09:04 AM (hl8SI)

243 The base said, "nominate a Dem governor of Mass and we're just not going to show up."

The party insiders said, "SHUT UP AND KNOW YOUR PLACE"

And you wonder why Mitt lost?

Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 09:04 AM (7nwJ6)

244 10
The RNC in action. Jeb Bush and the Fat Man on top for 2016. They actually want to destroy the Party forever.

http://is.gd/bPC5Sr

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:49 AM

The good news there is that Rove will start shitting on Christie for "going against The Family"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 09:04 AM (wwsoB)

245 West conceded this a.m.


Posted by: Baldy at November 20, 2012 07:17 AM (opS9C)



That is bad news. Congress and the country needs someone like him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 09:05 AM (1Jaio)

246 Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (7nwJ6)

You are hopelessly incorrect on all levels.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 09:06 AM (GsoHv)

247 West conceded this a.m.


Posted by: Baldy at November 20, 2012 07:17 AM (opS9C)



That is bad news. Congress and the country needs someone like him
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 09:05 AM (1Jaio)

He isn't going to Mars.

He will serve the Recovering Republic well.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 09:07 AM (AynOt)

248 How can Christie run as an (R) for President in 2016 after he changes parties to avoid Booker for NJ Governor re-election next year? I know that shit didn't...well...work out for this Christ fellow down here a little further south, I can't imagine it will work all that well in NJ.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 20, 2012 09:08 AM (hNXHo)

249 NY Times now completely in lock-step with the Ogabe Regime: http://preview.tinyurl.com/cdc6njo

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 08:26 AM (1V6Pv)



Now? They have been since day 1

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 09:08 AM (1Jaio)

250 You are hopelessly incorrect on all levels.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 09:06 AM (GsoHv)

Mitt Romney: "I like mandates."

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 09:09 AM (AynOt)

251 Wow. One public blow job plus one celebrity phone call and Christie goes from being cool to the fat man. This might be the fastest deflation in history. Agnew didn't drop that fast.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 09:09 AM (eEfYn)

252 Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 20, 2012 09:08 AM (hNXHo)

Mostly because Christie isn't going to change parties.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 09:09 AM (GsoHv)

253 Purp,

I don't disagree.

What I'm trying to do is help the morons understand why it was this way
The rules change at the convention probably cost Mitt 100k votes across the Big 4. That was a real fuck you to the vase. You know what their reply was? "enjoy not being President, asshole."

Listen I live in Cali. My vote doesn't matter. And you better believe I didn't bother voting. And if I did, it would have been for Johnson.

I know other Cali Conservatives that are the same. If Mitt had actual principles that he articulated, I would have voted

I am in the .01% of high info voters. I can't tell you 1 principle that Mitt adhered to other than power for IRS own sake. Sry, that doesn't turn out the base.

Try better candidates and actual principles. Those win elections.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 09:10 AM (q7YYY)

254 Wow. One public blow job plus one celebrity phone call and Christie goes from being cool to the fat man. This might be the fastest deflation in history. Agnew didn't drop that fast.
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 09:09 AM (eEfYn)

Agnew didn't try as hard.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 09:10 AM (AynOt)

255 Walmart is doing everything it can to keep from being unionized including donating to Democrats and caving in to construction unions. They know exactly what they are doing.

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 20, 2012 09:12 AM (ho/MP)

256 Why? You think the Dems can't find another halfblack-red-diaper baby to run?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 20, 2012 08:37 AM

It'll be a woman, either Hillary or Fauxcahontas.

Why not run a fake Indian? They won twice with a fake American

Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2012 09:12 AM (wwsoB)

257 253 typo correction, power for it's own sake.

But he sure did like mandates.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 09:13 AM (q7YYY)

258 Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 09:04 AM (7nwJ6)

---------

So. We should give up on getting independents, swing voters in swing states, because "the base" is going to take their ball and go home if we don't run....who? Santorum? Michele Tardasil Bachmann?

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 09:13 AM (2KBjW)

259 hopeless

i want to thank you and your ilk for letting the scoamf get an unprecedented undeserved 2nd term....hope you don't fall off your high horse....or choke on your principles or maybe i do........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 20, 2012 09:13 AM (Ho2rs)

260 Other than a basic understanding if economics, Mitt was identical to Obama on all major issues.


Even granting that you are correct (I don't think you are) here's what you're saying:

"Except for the single most important issue of this election, Mitt was identical to Obama."

Seriously? The one place that truly, truly mattered, and it wasn't enough for you? And how many times did he have to say "I'll repeal ObamaCare." Yes, he said "Replace." All Republicans (well, the visible ones, anyway) were saying "Repeal and Replace." Frankly, beyond the fact it apparently played well with focus groups, Repeal and Replace (depending on what they did for "replace") is actually a good idea- it leaves less room for Democrats to try again in the future.

What else were they "Identical" on?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 09:13 AM (8y9MW)

261 and the GOP paid for it, hard.
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 08:59 AM (AynOt)

__
I'm paying for it hard, and I'm not a GOP operative. Those who voted for Mitt for the sake of their childrenare paying for the purported sins of the GOP, we are the collateral damage. (Including non-affiliated and dem voters who crossed over.) Preazy told his base to vote for revenge, some in our base sat it out for revenge. It's a selfish and unpatriotic motivation, whichever side of the coin you're looking at.

Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 09:13 AM (jm/9g)

262 Re: Rep. West, I heard the Fag GOP gerrymandered his district. I also believe that bloated harridan Port St. Lucie functionary queered it for him in the count.
A member of my family lives in his district and assures me Rep. West is at least as good in person as he is on video. He's the real deal, as we say in the frozen north.
That being true, we needn't choose our standard bearers on the basis of "flavuh". Our Conservative shit sell itself. All it needs is someone to articulate it who actually believes it. Like Rep. West. (Plus, I hear he's pretty handy with an M9.)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bt6h9cp

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 09:14 AM (1V6Pv)

263 @249 I meant with the whole paedophile thing.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 09:15 AM (1V6Pv)

264
I can't recall Romney making an effort to win them over.





Maybe he figured there was no point.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 09:15 AM (DoZD+)

265 Preazy told his base to vote for revenge, some in
our base sat it out for revenge. It's a selfish and unpatriotic
motivation, whichever side of the coin you're looking at.

Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 09:13 AM (jm/9g)

Well said.

Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 09:16 AM (bC/XM)

266 Wow. One public blow job plus one celebrity phone
call and Christie goes from being cool to the fat man. This might be the
fastest deflation in history. Agnew didn't drop that fast.


Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 09:09 AM (eEfYn)


Speaking only for myself, I never liked the fat fuck as much as a lot of my fellow morons. He was real good at pounding the shit out of some teacher union whiny vags but really wasn't a conservative at heart. That came, imo, from having been a US Attorney used to beating up on people that couldn't command the unlimited checkbook that the Feds have. As was the case with Guiliani, that works fine when you're in charge of some mobbed up Eastern shithole that needs a high colonic but I definitely don't want him beyond that. Plus he's a gun grabber, moooooslim enabler and climate fuckhead.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 09:16 AM (8e62C)

267 Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 20, 2012 09:13 AM (Ho2rs)

You are a lady, so I wouldn't expect you to say what should be said to anyone who didn't vote:

"Fuck you, you cocksucking piece-of-shit, anti-American, lazy asshole."

YMMV

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2012 09:17 AM (GsoHv)

268 The "GOP" did not gerrymander West's district. They made another one of their famous "deals". They passed a law in FL that ended gerrymandering and caused redistricting by a supposedly "logical" geographical basis.


That is what made West's district become more Democratic.

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 09:17 AM (YdQQY)

269 Last! Hah!

I never liked Romney, a sub par RINO, but I voted for him buying into that elect the electable BS, because as despicable as he was he was magnitudes better than the Bamster.

Now the Rino's want to open the flood gates..and give amnesty to all the illegals.

I think being an American citizen is special and you need to work for it, not get it handed to you. Then they don't appreciate it. They tried that before. How many timnes we have to do this crap to see it does not work?

It's all about about being likable now. Hey I don't vote for guys who I would like to have a beer with .

I vote for guys who can get the J.O.B. done!

I will never fall for this RINO bullcrap again!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 09:17 AM (KDfzF)

270 The folks who sat it out told the GOP it's over.

They will do it again in 2016 and then the flood gates will open and the GOP will be finished.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 09:18 AM (AynOt)

271 I'm thinking third party. Has the GOP done too much damage for it to be the Tea Party?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 20, 2012 09:18 AM (DoZD+)

272 (Plus, I hear he's pretty handy with an M9.)

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 09:14 AM (1V6Pv)

Could be a great GOTV incentive.

Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2012 09:18 AM (fWAjv)

273 Wal-Mart filing complaint against the unions who plan protests during after Thanksgiving Day sales.

Walton donated $1M to Obama. He wants his money's worth, but he's unlikely to get it.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 08:58 AM (7zojM)



I guess $1 million wasn't enough to get the Soros goons off his back

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2012 09:18 AM (1Jaio)

274 News dump is up

Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 09:18 AM (YdQQY)

275 You ca yell at Hopeless and all you want but the truth is Mitt did not go after every vote in his base which is an absolute must in the general. Obama did.
Mitt's advisors thought, "Where else are they gonna go?" They could have gotten the answer to that question for the price of a phone call the George H. W. Bush who thought he shit on the NRA and they would still turn out their three million votes for him.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 09:19 AM (6H6FZ)

276 I know other Cali Conservatives that are the same.

You deserve the fullness of what's going to happen then. Anyone looking for perfect in politics is on a fools errand.

Politics is the art of the possible. Romney was possible, and he would have been an upgrade over Ogabe.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 09:19 AM (7zojM)

277 Cali "Conservatives" who sat it out = the basest petulance.
Period.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 20, 2012 09:21 AM (1V6Pv)

278 "They passed a law in FL that ended gerrymandering"

that was passed by voters like my brother. I voted against that

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 09:22 AM (yAor6)

279 266 Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 09:16 AM (8e62C)

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CH, Great summation.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 09:23 AM (eEfYn)

280 "It's not about matching McCain. I suspect you know that, which is why I'm trying to figure out your angle. Right now the only thing I know is you are wrong, what I'm not sure of is whether you're intentionally being dishonest."

His angle is that he wants to blame the SoCons but can't really find a way to do it that supported by data or reality.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 20, 2012 09:23 AM (uD2fR)

281 After the 2008 election I read that that you never really know the number of votes each candidate receives because some precincts stop apportioning the votes after it is clear who the winner is.

Posted by: davod at November 20, 2012 09:23 AM (C5U9L)

282 btw those who sat out basically casted a vote for O

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 09:23 AM (yAor6)

283
The "GOP" did not gerrymander West's district. They made another one of
their famous "deals". They passed a law in FL that ended gerrymandering
and caused redistricting by a supposedly "logical" geographical basis.


That is what made West's district become more Democratic.


Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 09:17 AM (YdQQY)


Then they're dumber than a bag of dicks to throw in all their cards on a stupid fucking "logical geographical basis". Do you ever see the donks doing something that fucking dumb? Hell no. The clean toga crowd should just fold up their fucking tents and go away; preferably over a cliff.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 09:24 AM (8e62C)

284 Phoenix,

See, that is the problem.

You are blaming the people who wouldn't support a Dem ex-governor of Mass who is a fan of bank bailouts, carbon credits, and socialized healthcare.

The people to blame are the party insiders that shoved this candidate down our throats and do everything to make sure the liberal agenda is advanced.

The house needs to be cleaned.

Jenny,

We keep trying to be Dem lite and keep losing. If you want to actually win elections, run candidates who have principles and can articulate them clearly.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 09:24 AM (DzWOc)

285 Not going after every vote in your base and then cursing them out for not voting isn't a winning strategy.


Posted by: SurferDoc at November 20, 2012 09:25 AM (6H6FZ)

286 yes folks, that's the ticket! sit out like petulant children and let the country burn as the socialists take over

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 09:25 AM (yAor6)

287
1. McCain ran a terrible race. He should be the bottom level indicator.

2. I think its lost. With a dictatorial and gargantuan failure of a prez that we have and he gets re-elected? Not to mention, a senate loss in ND. The country has chosen its path.

Only the cleansing fire of SMOD or a financial collapse can re-right the ship.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 09:26 AM (3BbLJ)

288 yes folks, that's the ticket! sit out like petulant children and let the country burn as the socialists take over
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 20, 2012 09:25 AM (yAor6)

Or, refuse to waste your vote in a hopelessly corrupt system.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 09:27 AM (AynOt)

289 but the truth is Mitt did not go after every vote in his base which is an absolute must in the general. Obama did.

Messina is still sending out emails begging for donations from Obama voters and asking people to respond to a poll asking which demographics they belong to. The list of demographics on that poll had about 20 entries. I got that email a couple of days ago.

Obama has NOT stopped campaigning, even after the win. I find that vaguely disturbing.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 09:27 AM (7zojM)

290 Mitt was such a great candidate that he didn't even bother trying to secure his base!

The mittards are in fucking denial. He was a bad candidate, he hired a Bloomberg man to do his IT, with support from BestBuy's GeekSquad.

It's time to face the facts. Mitt is a democratic ex-governor from Mass who championed carbon credits, bank bailouts, and socialized healthcare.

If the Dems ran an republican ex-governor if Texas who championed free markets, balanced budgets, and small government what do you think would happen?

They'd lose.

I'd like Mitt as a Dem. He is like Bill Clinton on a lot of matters. As a GOP candidate he sucks.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 20, 2012 09:31 AM (jKE+l)

291 Btw, even though as a general rule I never watch the debates, I saw some clips and thought that Romney gave some of the most articulate statements of conservative principles that I've heard from a Presidential candidate since Reagan. I had my problems with him in the primaries and voted for Noot (God, just think of that) but in the course of the campaign came to like him more than I thought I would while still being wary of others feeling the same way.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 20, 2012 09:31 AM (8e62C)

292 Politics is the art of the possible. Romney was possible, and he would have been an upgrade over Ogabe.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 09:19 AM (7zojM)


But not enough of an upgrade.

I hate Mitt Romney and all the RINO shit he stands for, and fought against him in the primaries, but voted for him and supported him once he became the nominee. ABO.

Many folks did something different. I am now in their camp.

No more RINOs.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2012 09:31 AM (AynOt)

293 @271 Tea Party it is! Those are the only guys that have any cajones or truth left in them!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 09:31 AM (KDfzF)

294 Breaking news at Fox

OBAMA SENDING SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON TO JERUSALEM, RAMALLAH AND CAIRO AMID GAZA CRISIS

http://is.gd/CQp5bR
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)


sure would like to know what was on that Rashid Khaledi tape about now

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2012 09:33 AM (Dnbau)

295 Politics is the art of the possible. Romney was possible, and he would have been an upgrade over Ogabe.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 09:19 AM (7zojM)

__
DOJ

SCOTUS

___
From Hopeless'sabove comment:
You know what their reply was? "enjoy not being President, asshole."

It wasn't just about Mitt.All this time I was under the impression that conservatives were the rational ones, not the kneejerk emotionalists. But Hopeless et al learned me good and hard that it's not so, yup!

Posted by: kallisto at November 20, 2012 09:34 AM (jm/9g)

296 and let the country burn as the socialists take over

They whole idea is they're not equipped physically or mentally to survive the fire.

You know how sequoia trees reproduce? It requires a massive forest fire that burns everything around except the Sequoia who's bark is thick and fire resistant. The Sequoia burns, but the fire never reaches its inner core and kills it. Nor does it reach high enough to kill the waiting seeds.

After the fire clears all the underbrush, the tree drops its seeds onto the fire cleansed forest floor and the baby sequoias have a chance to grow unimpeded before competition moves in again.

Sometimes it takes a conflagration to clear the way for new life.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 09:34 AM (7zojM)

297 You guys are looking at Barry Choom's deploying if HILLARY! in the wrong light.

Why would he care more about her than Amb Stevens.

Have a fun trip HILLARY!

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 20, 2012 09:35 AM (LRFds)

298 Plus he's a gun grabber, moooooslim enabler and climate fuckhead.

Somewhere, at some point, I read that in a definition of a Conservative Democrat, tbqh. That would be like me - a pro-choice atheist who supports gay marriage - calling myself a Republican because first and foremost I'm a fiscal conservative. It would look good on paper and certainly might win me an election or two, but...

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 20, 2012 09:38 AM (hNXHo)

299
Mitt was my last choice, but I voted for him. Screamed to high heaven here the the repubs should not choose a NE liberal Republican, but to no avail, the party insiders wanted Mitt and it was gonna be Mitt. The primaries are a farce. Reagan won by sure force of will, I think, the party insiders didn't want him.

The repubs are trending liberal, moving left with the overton window.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 09:41 AM (3BbLJ)

300 @294, I would like to see who exactly changed the Beghazi narrative,

But then again, I want to know who whacked Hoffa and where he is buried.

Look..squirrel!.Tthe press ain't on Bengahzi (protecting Voldemort) , and you will not hear crap about Hitlery Clinton either!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 09:41 AM (KDfzF)

301 "Hopeless" sounds exactly like certain Hot Air trolls did all through the campaign.

There's no difference between Obama and Romney! No point voting for Obama lite! I've got principles, so I'm not voting for the RINO!

Assholes.

This is beyond making perfect the enemy of the good, it's making perfect the enemy of at least a chance of saving the country from fucking disaster.

All you so-called "conservatives" who didn't vote out of spite deserve a second term of Obama as much as Obama voters do.

Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer along with you.

***

PS, picking Paul Ryan as VP was way more than just a "bone" thrown to Tea Party and fiscal conservatives. We forget that Democrats thought Paul Ryan, granny-killing Paul Ryan, "right-wing social engineering" Paul Ryan (per Newt) was politically toxic. Picking Paul Ryan was a clear signal of Romney's diagnosis of the country's ills, his intentions and his seriousness.

And if nothing else, if you're a conservative and you watched the first debate, the first time ever any mortal on the planet just fucking *crushed* Obama on the public stage, just drank his milkshake up and left him looking like a stuttering fool, and caused wailing and gnashing of teeth from the likes of Andrew Sullivan and Chris Matthews...

oh the unprecedented turning on Obama from his most stalwart MSM cheerleaders! oh the Schadenfreude!

It was a masterful performance. Arguably the best debate performance by a Republican candidate ever. Against THE ONE!

If you're a conservative and that didn't warm your heart to Romney enough to vote for him, I don't know what to tell you.

Fuck you.

Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 09:42 AM (bC/XM)

302
"40 Gabe, are you trying to obscure facts on purpose?

2008, Obama won independents. 2012, Romney did.

Obama lost 6 million votes, Romney got lots of those 6 million. Heck, for all you know, maybe all of them. ..."


"87 ... I am by no means a fan of Romney, but he tried harder than Mccain did. I think Mccain is a much more compelling candidate (and I think Mccain sucked as a candidate), but I would hope the GOP would have a little more passion for getting to the polls after experiencing four years of scoamf. ..."


Also throw in that Romney won the Independents, not Obama this time, and what you have is votes shifting from Obama to Romney, with Romney being a much better candidate than McCain and Obama II being a much worse candidate than Obama I,but Romney gets fewer votes? While Obama drops from D+8 to only D+6 (with 6 million fewer votes)?

Obviously there were significantly fewer Republican votes, for no obvious reason.Something ain't right.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 09:42 AM (Mxt9o)

303 From Hopeless'sabove comment:
You know what their reply was? "enjoy not being President, asshole."

I'm sorry, but if you hate Mitt Romney, RINOS, and liberals, more than you love America, you're an asshole. That's what you're saying, here. And if you're really going to try and convince us that you and yours are the people we need to please, move your ass to a swing state and adopt about 7 easily led teens who can vote for whatever True Scotsmen Conservative you like in 2016.

But you're not going to convince rational people that a bunch of the base in Ohio and Virginia were just staying home because Mitt Romney was too liberal. Sorry. I think people in swing states turned out and voted for the guy they've been told they're supposed to like, the one they think cares about them.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 20, 2012 09:44 AM (2KBjW)

304 "If you're a conservative and that didn't warm your heart to Romney enough to vote for him, I don't know what to tell you. "

Of course. Anyone who didn't vote for Romney is not serious about this country's future, no matter how idiotic it was to support Romney in the primary due to his fundamental lack of leadership ability (flip floppers are followers, not leaders).

But we can learn from this.

The fact is that this should have been a relatively easy win. Obama has a crap resume and crap performance. The economy sucks. Obama can't even really debate.

It's not Romney's fault. It's the GOP's fault that it didn't produce the candidates and supporters that could beat his campaign and supporters. Conservatives being organized enough to win a primary is a pretty basic step to the GOP being effective, and we need to get there.

And bailing on the GOP only takes it in the opposite direction.

But what did people expect? Mccain beat Romney. Are we going to nominate Herman Cain or Rick Perry next round, knowing Romney beat them? I hope not.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 09:45 AM (D9999)

305 "It was a masterful performance. Arguably the best debate performance by a Republican candidate ever. Against THE ONE!"

BUT IT WAS JUST A PERFORMANCE. That's all Romney can do. If he's talking to conservatives, he's bashing the mooching 47%. IF he's talking to progressives, he swears to preserve entitlement spending. If he's talking to Iowans, Corn subsidies are sacred. If he's talking to MA, it's time to grab some guns.

The voters saw Romney's awesome performance for what it was. A performance from the most skilled politician the GOP may have ever produced. That's not going to save this country when the politically savvy move is the opposite of the hard, unpopular leadership we may need.

Unfortunately, Obama's insane liberalism is a principled vision he has, and it was more appealing to low info voters than Romney's windsock.

Conservatives who paid attention knew that Romney at his worse was a huge improvement over socialism. But the candidate we put forward did not convey a sincere urgency about this country's problems.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 09:50 AM (D9999)

306 Regardless of McCartney's longstanding idiocy, that doesn't make John "Imagine" Lennon more talented. His solo work was truly horrible.

Posted by: Klawnet at November 20, 2012 09:50 AM (ePxxX)

307 We can't accuse the Dems of stealing the elections! They might accuse us of racism, sexism, and general insanity! The MFM might portray us unfairly!


Wait a minute .....

Posted by: Zippo Bibrox 5x10 at November 20, 2012 09:53 AM (8emxS)

308 >>>Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 09:42 AM<<<

The obvious reason is they keep selling out their constituency. Watch what happens with the fiscal cliff debate.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 09:55 AM (3BbLJ)

309 Not going after every vote in your base and then cursing them out for not voting isn't a winning strategy.

Amen. Obama's people know they are policy failures. That's because they don't define "failure" the way we do. They define "failure" as being out of power. So, to them these last four years have been anything but a failure.

Obama's people correctly reasoned that they would lose a high-turnout election. Because normal people don't define "failure" as being out of power. they define it the way we do, you know, shit gets worse. Actual failure.

So, they structured a re-election campaign designed to maximize base turnout and depress overall voter turnout. None of us saw this as a viable strategy and nobody on our side from Romney on down did anything to either counter it (offer compelling principles-based motivation to drive higher casual voter turnout) or match it with our own base voters.

Romney assumed a normal, referendum on the incumbent, marginally-higher-than-last-time turnout election. It is obvious in hindsight that he ran his campaign on those assumptions.

You have to sell, sell, sell, sell. ABO. And you also have to depress the shit out of the other guy's voters.

Romney didn't close his own people and he didn't try to depress Obama's people, he tried to convert them.

In a narrow election those are obviously two losing tactics.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at November 20, 2012 09:57 AM (dcoFe)

310 "Only the cleansing fire of SMOD or a financial collapse can re-right the ship."

As I recall, one of the Socialist's, tracks to full power is to destroy the economy and then rebulid it in their image.

With this in mind remember that the majority of the electorate blames Bush, meaning republicans, for the problem we are in.

Obama will present himself as the new Roosevelt, savior of the people, and go on a borrowing, taxing and spending binge.

I hope there is someone out there doing some red teaming against the constitution and US laws looking for ways Obama can extend his second term or get a third term without amending the constitution.

Posted by: davod at November 20, 2012 09:59 AM (C5U9L)

311 Obviously there were significantly fewer Republican votes, for no obvious reason.Something ain't right.

Obama won with fraud. You don't forcibly eject poll watchers from a place unless their presence would inhibit the fraud.

If you want to tamp down fraud, you gotta be in every precinct, 100% of the time. You gotta be there whenever the ballots are transported. You gotta be there when the ballots are sitting waiting to be counted, and you gotta be there during the count, and you gotta be there when machines are being prep'd and zero'd out.

The Republicans need a ground game for staffing polling places and monitoring ballot handling as much as GOTV.

Much polling place operation and votes handling is done by 100% democrats.

And of course infiltrating the Democrat apparatus as I'm doing.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 10:00 AM (7zojM)

312 @ 306..Loved the McCartney release with the bowl of cherries on the cover. (Baby I'm amazed!)

He was way more talented than Lennon IMO.

BTW was that post meant to diffuse the banter on here? Just wondering?

Remember that marketing push from the milk industry years ago.."Got Milk"?

I have to say.."Got guns and crates of ammo"?

Because with Mr Shine the belt buckle and shoes,presi-da-nut, bow to every despot in the world and the UN..you are going to need them soon!

Just sayin!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 10:01 AM (KDfzF)

313
As I recall, one of the Socialist's, tracks to full power is to destroy the economy and then rebulid it in their image.


That is correct Davod, except for one issue, the American public still retains their sense of individualism, although they may have thrown their hands up about current govts, I am confident it will be a cleansing fire.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 10:02 AM (3BbLJ)

314
We need to remember that 'none of the above' got a shit ton of votes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 10:03 AM (3BbLJ)

315 We need to remember that 'none of the above' got a shit ton of votes.

NOTA should be a mandatory option in all races at all levels. It would quickly disabuse politicians from using the word "mandate".

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 20, 2012 10:07 AM (7zojM)

316 "Obama has NOT stopped campaigning, even after the win. I find that vaguely disturbing."

But are you surprised?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 20, 2012 10:10 AM (uD2fR)

317 It is hard to know if any election wasn't fraudulent. At least according to this Programmer. (in court, under oath)

http://tinyurl.com/c7yxk6v

Did they cheat? How to stop them next time?

Papa Ray

Posted by: Papa Ray at November 20, 2012 10:11 AM (Ek42u)

318 @314, it was a very close election, with dead people , illegals being thrown out, its much closer than oirginally reported.

I think the Bamster still own, carried the stupid vote.

But think about this...

The bolshevicks were a minority, so were the patriots that founded this country. A minority! Most wanted to move along and just continue to suck King G's dick.

Its always the minority with heart that makes changes. And we a large minority!

You think these rich NE state retards have the heart for that?

Lets take this country back!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 10:12 AM (KDfzF)

319 But the candidate we put forward did not convey a sincere urgency about this country's problems

I don't know whether he "conveyed" it, but I believe he had it.

I strongly disagree with the notion that Romney is just a good actor/ performer, akin to Obama.

Yes, he was very flawed candidate in many ways, and not as conservative as most conservatives would like. But as I've said before, I've actually never witnessed (because I was too young when Reagan ran) a campaign that so proudly and unashamedly articulated fiscal conservative principles. A passionate celebration of the free market system, and trenchant opposition to metastasizing big government. Yes, softened and nuanced enough to win a general election-- but surprisingly ideological all the same.

This was NOT a "compassionate conservative" campaign.

Romney was performing to win an election, but I have no doubt he had his eyes on the job at hand. This is a Bain guy. A guy who lives to dig into the numbers and corrupt/ bloated/ useless/ dysfunctional corporations (or big institutions) and remove the rot to save them. Perform the necessary surgery.

A numbers guy. A math guy. A budget guy. A bottom line guy. A business guy. Who picked Paul fucking Ryan as his VP. A Batman and Robin of fiscal MATH.

Not someone who loves politics for the performance aspect of it, or the trappings of celebrity and power (like Obama), but someone who relishes dealing with tough challenges, getting the job done.

Yes, he likely would have done (or tried to do) a lot of "bipartisan" stuff, yes would have likely disappointed conservatives in countless ways.

But I believe he was a serious (fiscal) man, suited for serious (fiscal) times.

But instead we get four more years of Obama. Hey, you think the country will actually get a budget done and passed sometime in the next few years? It's been almost 4 years and counting.

(And don't get me started on foreign policy.)

PS Agree with you we need better candidates than the 2012 roster.

Romney's competition in the primaries-- they just didn't cut it. I don't care how "conservative" they ostensibly are.

Too bad about Perry.

Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 10:16 AM (bC/XM)

320 "OBAMA SENDING SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON TO JERUSALEM, RAMALLAH AND CAIRO AMID GAZA CRISIS"

Hillary can be blamed for the inevitable breakdown.

It will take more than one generation for peace to come to Israel, because the Arab countries and the Palestinians teach their children to hate Isreal and Jews. They teach that Jews never lived in the Middle-East but came from Europe. They deny the Jewish holy sites and rename them as Islamic sites.

Until the Palestinians, and all Muslims, change what they teach about Israel and Jews there will be no peace.

Posted by: davod at November 20, 2012 10:18 AM (C5U9L)

321 Didn't Romney still underperform Bush from 2004 by millions of votes? I still think Romney's ground game was poor.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 20, 2012 10:20 AM (Rwrs+)

322 The low turnout schtick isn't a myth, it refers to the 7-10 million whites who didn't vote this time. Most likely the working class ones who weren't going to vote for Obama but were turned off of Romney by the Obama campaign's negative ads. I know in Ohio the turnout is particularly skewed and that would make sense. Otherwise Romney did make major gains in just about every demographic category except Hispanics and the working class.

Posted by: Jarod at November 20, 2012 10:22 AM (Jaytg)

323 ". This is a Bain guy. "

You do understand that Bain has its own political bias, no? And it's corporatist, which can often be a big government attitude. Indeed, Bain donated more to Obama than Mccain (I have no idea about the more recent election).

"But instead we get four more years of Obama. Hey, you think the country will actually get a budget done and passed sometime in the next few years? It's been almost 4 years and counting. "

Of course not. Romney would have undeniably been much better than Obama. Anyone who didn't show up and vote Romney doesn't take this country's future seriously.

But I think Romney would have been average as president.

"not as conservative as most conservatives would like. "

I agree.

His record includes double digit spending increases, enormous taxes, and writing an op ed suggesting a federal health care mandate.

He does not have conservative principles.

"Romney's competition in the primaries-- they just didn't cut it."

That they couldn't beat one of the architects of Obamacare, one of the most corrosive policies of our time, is absolutely pathetic. But it probably speaks more to the GOP voter than the candidates. And I think some of them probably could have won.

This was an election we should have won. By nominating a fake we gave this election to Obama.

It's not Romney's fault, though. He did his very best to win. He carried out the moderate Republican campaign with incredibly hard work and preparation. That's who he ran as, and that's what the GOP wanted.

It's not like I hate Romney for being what he is.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 10:31 AM (D9999)

324 To be clear, I shut up about my grievances with Romney when he was nominated. I cheered for him to win from the time of the primary being effectively over to the general being effectively over.

But now it's time to evaluate what we did.

Let's avoid moderates and go for people with great conservative records. Was Romney a successful governor? Hell no he wasn't. I know he has excuses for that, such as democrats overpowering him on issues he had to negotiate with them on.

I want someone who actually did well, with no need for excuses.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 10:34 AM (D9999)

325 There will never peace in the mid east. Those guys have been fighting for thousands of years.

Even the Bible says it. All nations will surround Israel.

I ain't no joo, but I figure they are the best friend we have in the mideast. The rockets from Gaza from all accounts are being supplied from Iran.

Barky and the UN do not have the balls to deal with Iran.

If I were president (and I would not be a good president IMO , or ever aspire to that position) .. Iran would already be green frickin sand!

If we let those A holes obtain nukes..the mid east is lost.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 10:35 AM (KDfzF)

326 45

Jeeze Louise, I'm depressed now.. fat man and bush, seriously?

Maybe we should find a conservative to run as a democrat and just lie about it, maybe we could win that way..

LOL. I was kind of thinking that the other day.

Or... have a Republican run on essentially a Democrat platform then go rogue once elected.


Posted by: shibumi at November 20, 2012 10:56 AM (z63Tr)

327 Romney didn't lose because he was too moderate, both sides of the aisle like to push the narrative that if only their side were more "pure" they'd win. Romney actually ran on privatizing MediCare, not even Reagan had the balls to do that.

The only candidate that decided to run that had a better chance than Romney to win was Tim Pawlenty, but he was hardly a super star.

5 little things did Romney in, and almost all of them were outside his control:

1) A nasty primary that went on way too long with absolute clowns that didn't have a prayer. Romney was broke and Obama got to define him early

2)Being a successful, wealthy banker in private equity hurt that looked out of touch with the middle class

3)Akin and Mourdock making the fringe position on abortion front and center (largest gender gap in several generation)

4)Mormon Mitt (I think it swayed voters more than we realize, and was the biggest reason why Mitt had such a long and nasty primary)

5) Auto bailouts (when 1 out of 8 jobs in Ohio is in the auto industry, you'd better support auto bailouts) It also shut him out of Michigan

Could we have done better than Romney? Of course, but I don't remember Superman deciding to run for the GOP primary.






Posted by: McAdams at November 20, 2012 11:00 AM (iBUXq)

328 Dustin, I'm in sympathy with a lot of what you're saying.

But I sure hope those demanding a "true conservative" candidate for 2016 don't have in mind candidates like Michelle Bachmann or Rick Santorum.

I wonder if Perry could recover from his somewhat embarrassing 2012 debate performance. A good successful conservative governor would be great.

Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 11:03 AM (bC/XM)

329 Romney actually ran on privatizing MediCare, not even Reagan had the balls to do that.

Exactly. Just because Romney "looks" and "sounds" moderate (and has a history as a moderate in MA), people gloss over the fact that in many ways it was actually a surprisingly ballsy campaign.

Ballsy in substance rather than tone/ appearance.

Posted by: lael at November 20, 2012 11:09 AM (bC/XM)

330 "But I sure hope those demanding a "true conservative" candidate for 2016 don't have in mind candidates like Michelle Bachmann or Rick Santorum. "

Some probably do. They are idiots.

We need someone with Romney's political skills, but also with a record of performance (instead of explanations for why his performance wasn't awesome).

A good successful conservative governor would be great.

Mitch Daniels, Scott Walker... those are my two. They have shown principles. They aren't pure... it's not about purity. It's about sincerity.

I would actually like Romney more if he were sincere about things I disagree with than I like him when he pretends to hold views I do agree with.

"Romney actually ran on privatizing MediCare, not even Reagan had the balls to do that."

I don't think Americans believe he meant it. How surprised would you have been had Romney, once elected, went from the most conservative on immigration to making a deal on Amnesty? Or gun control (again)? Or entitlement spending (which he promised to preserve)?

His first year as governor wasn't so bad either. Then it got harder. Principles were tested. The budget grew by double digits. Romney signed a gun ban and a gun tax and a Romneycare with some idiotic provisions (and massive intrusion into the lives of citizens, federalism or not).

This is not a principled conservative. Mitt Romney is by all accounts a brilliant man and I bet he understands conservatism and its merits. But he cannot be relied on. His goal is political expediency.

He had some of the most passionate and articulate supporters in the primary. They thought Romney would win more easily because they discounted the history of the GOP. 1992, 1996, 2008.

Just because it was more rational for the right to really get out the vote for Romney doesn't mean Romney was the leader who could make it happen.

I think Romney's die hard supporters would have supported most republicans (I am discounting Romney's supporters like Steele, Meghan Mccain, etc).

But Romney gave his all and I thank him for that. It is a tragedy he was not elected. I sincerely believe that.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 11:15 AM (D9999)

331 Whites were intimidated...by the open threats implied by Samuel L Jackson and Bill Maher, as well as the reasonableness of Colin Powell.

There is no projection of strength and unity among whites.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 20, 2012 11:27 AM (3liWm)

332 I just can't get pissed at Mitt Romney, but I was absolutely pissed at John McCain. Romney played to win, there was just a few things that broke that was outside his control. McCain seemed to be ashamed the whole time he was running against a black man.

I think all politicians are insincere at times, and I think Romney was being "fake" when it came to social issues, he clearly has no interest in fighting the Culture War despite the fact he and his family are clearly moral, upright people that actually lived their beliefs instead of trying to legislate them. Even the Axelrod slime machine could find a speck of dirt on him. But you can't get through a GOP primary being pro-choice, so he had to check that box off, pay lip service, and move on.

Ironically, had Romney been able to have run like he did in Massachusetts as sort of big picture conservative technocrat that was able to be agnostic on the social issues, he would have probably won.

Posted by: McAdams at November 20, 2012 11:28 AM (iBUXq)

333 "Romney played to win, there was just a few things that broke that was outside his control. McCain seemed to be ashamed the whole time he was running against a black man."

I agree with this. Romney being a moderate... we knew that when we nominated him. Not his fault no one measured up to the extent that they could beat him.

He gave 100% and it showed.

I hope this isn't as much of an issue in 2016. I don't want to nominate the next guy in line, either.

We need someone like Scott Walker.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 11:32 AM (D9999)

334 We need someone like Scott Walker.

or Jefferson Davis

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 20, 2012 11:34 AM (EZl54)

335 Look.... trying to compare 2008 to 2012 is crazy.
McCain/Palin was fighting the BUSH burnout that everyone had... even Republicans... and Obama had the "VISION" and the media and even Republicans starry-eyed.
Its amazing that McCain/Palin even got as many votes as they got - and I attribute that entirely to Palin.
This time round, you had an even worse economy because the numbers have had a chance to beat everyone down and there were 4 years of idiot Obama to run against... so losing to Obama this time was a disaster. Absolute incompetence.
The real question is how could you possibly fail to beat a total disaster called Obama? It shows what a crappy campaign the Republicans ran... stop making excuses. It was a crappy campaign if it could not beat a total failure of a President.

Posted by: PhilipJames at November 20, 2012 11:36 AM (hrysW)

336 335.
I think the problem was, it all went south on Bush's watch and to enough people it looked like it was Obama still cleaning up Bush' mess. I think Obama took a tough situation and made things much worse since he used the crisis as an opportunity to try and make us like Europe, but not enough Americans agreed.

In hindsight, the best thing that could have happened to the GOP was if John Kerry had beat Bush in 2004.

As far as who to nominate in 2016, unless Rubio has some sort of fatal flaw, I can't think of a good reason to not nominate him.

I also believe what did the GOP in is we have a new set of demographics to contend with, if this election had been in say the late 80's, Romney would have probably won 40 states.


Posted by: McAdams at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (iBUXq)

337 John Kerry, fast boat guy beat Bush?(and I dislike Bush very much)..That must be some great legendary acid you are taking!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (KDfzF)

338
OK, this is a little late, but I'm ready to run some numbers.

Gabe, you have cheated us, by not looking past the "top line", and by ignoring some obvious logic. Here goes:

In rough numbers, ignoring votes for other than the R and D, in 2008 there were 130M votes, with party ID of 32/39/29 R/D/I. So
2008: 41.6M R, 50.7M D, 37.7M I
Assume 90% party loyalty, so 41.6M*.9+50.7M*.1 = 42.51M partisan votes for McCain and 41.6M*.1+50.7M*.9 = 49.79M partisan votes for Obama. McCain got 59.9M, so 59.9M-42.51M=17.4M Independent votes. For Obama, 69.5M-49.79M=19.7M Independents. (I'm missing 0.6M Independents, due to my approximations). Summary:
McCain: 37.44M R + 5.07M D + 17.4M I
Obama: 4.16M R + 45.63M D + 19.7M I
(46.7% vs 53.1% for Independents, a difference of -6.4%)

In 2012, all I have offhand is that it was D+6, so call it a32/38/30 party ID. About 123M votes, 59.6M for Romney, so about 63.4M for Obama. Using the same process, I get:
Romney: 35.424M R + 3.936M D + 20.24M I
Obama: 4.674M R + 42.066M D + 16.66M I
(54.85% vs 45.15% for Independents, a difference of +9.7%)

*** Comparing, we see Romney with about 2M fewer votes from Republicans than McCain got, and there's no obvious reason for that. The only possibilities are that the ground game sucked even worse, at least partly due to the ORCA fiasco, or that votes mysteriously disappeared in electronic voting machines (if that's possible). ***

There were about 17M Independents both times; the Democrat turnout understandably dropped a bit.

If anything, you would expect a higher Republican turnout for Romney than McCain, not lower. Somebody needs to explain why this didn't happen - it cost the election.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 12:11 PM (Mxt9o)

339 Rand Paul talking about a 2016 run.

I just loved seeing the Dems blather on about the Repubs being a bunch of white guys and then a picture of Allan West conceding to their "white guy". We should be pushing that one all over the country.

Oh and one of the other piles of free stuff that the Dems pushed pre-election that we all forgot about (even me, and I got some of my "free money".) There was an $8000 giveaway for first time home buyers. That means a lot more than an Obamaphone, I can tell you. I'm not sure it did a lot for the housing market though.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 20, 2012 12:12 PM (5HBd1)

340
Ew. That came out badly. Let me summarize again. Deriving with rough numbers:


2008:
McCain: 37.44M R + 5.07M D + 17.4M I
Obama: 4.16M R + 45.63M D + 19.7M I
(46.7% vs 53.1% for Independents, a difference of -6.4%)


2012:
Romney: 35.424M R + 3.936M D + 20.24M I
Obama: 4.674M R + 42.066M D + 16.66M I
(54.85% vs 45.15% for Independents, a difference of +9.7%)


Romney got 2M fewer Republican votes than McCain, while the same number ofIndependents showed, and fewer Democrats. We lost because the Republicans either didn't show up, or their votes weren't counted.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 12:15 PM (Mxt9o)

341
Oh, I forgot. According to polls, there are actually a few more Republicans than Democrats out there, so the McCain numbers were waylow. The Republicans not only didn't show up again, but it was worse this time. The question is WHY?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 12:20 PM (Mxt9o)

342 "The real question is how could you possibly fail to beat a total disaster called Obama?"

I actually think that's the problem.

We simply ran on a 'Obama sucks' platform.

I know, I know, the higher info folks here know all these platforms that are specific and positive.

But the theme was 'Obama sucks, we ain't him, we need to remove him from office'.

Which is a retread of Kerry's 2004 campaign, basically.

Obama was so awful we couldn't resist this being the cornerstone of our campaign. Most of us were not voting for romney. We were voting against Obama.

I'm not sure there's any way to fix that, but I think it's inferior politics to a 'this guy is awesome and should be president' theme.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2012 12:28 PM (D9999)

343 We're still fighting a battle against an electorate that self-reports a big chunk waited until the last minute to make up their minds. Like most folks here, I lived this shit for most of 2012. I was snookered by the polls, the ORCA, and the internals and whatever else the fuck.

In general, I think Republicans and right-leaning Independents like myself are pretty rational folks.

I don't think it's possible to come up with rational solutions to solve that very, very irrational problem. Anyone who legitimately understood 10-25% of what was at stake, and actually was still undecided...? Sigh...

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 20, 2012 12:36 PM (hNXHo)

344 The question is WHY?
Uh...the pollsters are being lied to and the country isn't as conservative as we think?
Honestly, I don't like Rubio that much.He's like the ocean to me: I love it as an abstract idea, but the reality is fucking terrifying. And the MFM will have four years to whittle him down.
I'd rather have West, rising up out ofthe fog to throatpunch all those stealing, lying, craven libbastards.

Posted by: Gem at November 20, 2012 12:43 PM (zw+pb)

345 Libbastards. I like it.

Posted by: Gem at November 20, 2012 12:44 PM (zw+pb)

346 You guys can talk your shit on demographics, or numbers all you all want. Romney lost because he was an asshole RINO, and the majority want FREE SHIT!

I'm working in China now because the bamster drove all the companies overseas with regs, taxes and BS. I hate it here. The food sucks and it's all poison..Milk= Melamine, Apples are fucked too, Brocolli..all the arsenic. Thats why I don't stop smoking..I'm dead anyway!

Now I hate commies, but chairman Mao realized how easy it was to take a country at the point of a gun barrel.

And what's the first thing, day 1, in office our gun grabbing POTUS did? He signed on to that UN gun (small arms) treaty to subvert he 2nd amendment!

If you puzzies are complacent about that, then so be it!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 20, 2012 12:48 PM (KDfzF)

347 Republicans think they’re importing hardworking immigrants who want a shot at the American Dream; the Democrats think they’re importing clients for Big Government. The Left is right: Just under 60 percent of immigrants receive some form of welfare.

The 47% is going to become the 48% and then the 49% and then the 50% and then the 51%, till you can elect Robert Mugabe legally.

And this is not with illegal immigration and amnesty; this is just with continuing mass immigration, legally.

If there is a solution, it has to begin with immigration restriction. Turn off the tap.

Hoping from more and more turnout from the increasingly outnumbered White base is not a solution.

Hoping that the left will get tired of winning, tired of using the race card to get moral victories and free stuff, tired of running the urban vote factories, is not a solution.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 06:05 PM (WOhYl)

348 346 You guys can talk your shit on demographics, or numbers all you all want.
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OK.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 06:07 PM (WOhYl)

349 340 Romney got 2M fewer Republican votes than McCain, while the same number ofIndependents showed, and fewer Democrats. We lost because the Republicans either didn't show up, or their votes weren't counted.
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Some of them would not have showed up because they were dead.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 06:13 PM (WOhYl)

350 336 "I also believe what did the GOP in is we have a new set of demographics to contend with, if this election had been in say the late 80's, Romney would have probably won 40 states."
-
Right.

Basically the options are:
1. Move left (on the direction of the opposite party), chasing the new demographics.
2. Move right (in the direction of the party base, which is more radical than the party elite), and change the demographics.

Both options are possible, and the Democratic Party has done both with success.

LBJ moved the Democratic Party from being the party considered less favorable to Black interests in the South to being the party more favorable to Black interests everywhere in America. You can leap right over the other party, and the Republican Party can do the same, handing out so much free stuff to Democratic constituencies (and so many preferences at the expense of Whites and married people) that the Democratic Party will have to chase to keep up.

The demographics in America were not always favorable to modern left politics. The left actively changed them. The political benefits of this are on show in California. The right could follow the same course in reverse.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 20, 2012 06:31 PM (WOhYl)






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The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat