Marco Rubio: I'm Not Saying How Old The Earth Is; It Doesn't Have Anything To Do With Economic Growth

Eh. It's a story, I guess.

GQ: How old do you think the Earth is?

Marco Rubio: I'm not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I'm not a scientist. I don't think I'm qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries.

Seems like an attempt to create a per se bar to fundamentalist Christians serving in political office, or any sort of public position, period.

I don't know if this is a good answer but maybe, when confronted by the typical "crazy fundamentalist Christian beliefs" stuff, a Christian could reply, "I believe in a lot of crazy things. I believe that a loving God has a plan for us, and that He gave His only son to redeem us. The Bible tells me crazy things like that we should feed the hungry and clothe the naked, and that I should love my neighbor as I would have him love me. I'm a zealot with the same crazy beliefs as Isaac Newton, Alexander Hamilton, St. Augustine and C.S. Lewis. I'm filled with crazy ideas like the notion that we should all aspire to be worthy of God's gift of life, in our personal lives as well as how we conduct our affairs of office." *

Eh, I don't know. It's a tough thing. For every person who believes there is another person who either actively disbelieves (and thinks the believers or crazy) or thinks of religion like he thinks of straight vodka -- a sip here and there in public gatherings is okay, but no more than that and never when you're alone, or else you've got a problem.


* Just for disclosure, I'm actually not a believer. I'm just a little annoyed at those of the nonbelievers who have Things All Figured Out and are as intolerant as a pilgrimage of Aztecs.

Posted by: Ace at 04:04 PM



Comments

1 I'm just a little annoyed at those of the nonbelievers who have Things
All Figured Out and are as intolerant as a pilgrimage of Aztecs.


And yet probably would be tolerant of Aztec human sacrifice.

Oh, and first.

Posted by: Armando at November 19, 2012 04:06 PM (5iuEW)

2 First is the worst, second is the best.

Posted by: Brobama at November 19, 2012 04:06 PM (fUwsw)

3 I thought the point of not being religious was not caring? When did they all care what everyone else believes more than a missionary?

Posted by: Mr pink at November 19, 2012 04:07 PM (ihmcI)

4 Here I go again:
http://is.gd/UPiuI8

Posted by: Gerry at November 19, 2012 04:07 PM (lNrX+)

5 GQ should change its name to AQ, for Asshole Quarterly.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 19, 2012 04:08 PM (I2LwF)

6 as intolerant as a pilgrimage of Aztecs

You can really turn a phrase.

Do you have a blog? Maybe AllenG could help you set one up.

Posted by: fluffy at November 19, 2012 04:08 PM (3SvjA)

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:08 PM (8y9MW)

8 Dude!

Everybody knows the Earth was created on Jan 20, 2009 ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 19, 2012 04:08 PM (gh+mp)

9
My answer would be a hell of a lot older than GQ will be a magazine.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 19, 2012 04:08 PM (3BbLJ)

10 I'm not a believer either, but this kind of stuff is... almost bigoted. It's insensitive to question Obama about black liberation theology, or to question muslims about some of their ahem more strange beliefs.... But a christian must either denounce his faith or be put in an awkward position regarding his faith at any time possible.

Posted by: Timin203 at November 19, 2012 04:08 PM (5WxMt)

11 Actually, I liked his answer. It's kind of like the one I typically use, even with other Christians.

"I don't know. Why do you think it matters?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:09 PM (8y9MW)

12 Or there's my preferred alternative answer, "Fuck you next question." But I guess Rubio doesn't have that option.

Posted by: joncelli at November 19, 2012 04:09 PM (RD7QR)

13 EVERYBODY BUT CRACKERS KNOW THAT THE WORLD WAS CREATED BY OUR LORD AND SAVIOR BARACK OBAMA!!1!

Posted by: Professor Barbara A. Thompson at November 19, 2012 04:09 PM (5iuEW)

14 >>>8 Dude!
Everybody knows the Earth was created on Jan 20, 2009 ...

And on the seventh day, He went golfing.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at November 19, 2012 04:10 PM (pzmYs)

15 There's a lot of wiggle room when it comes to consensus about age of the earth and its oldest civilizations, if the size of George Noury's audience is any indication.

Posted by: kallisto at November 19, 2012 04:10 PM (jm/9g)

16 Good thing Obama is Jesus, so at least now we can dispense with all this nonsense.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 19, 2012 04:10 PM (JGfaj)

17 >>>You can really turn a phrase.

thank you, I've been reading Raymond Chandler lately (for the tenth time not the first time).

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:10 PM (LCRYB)

18 So, a question that the press never asks a Democrat.

Actually, I think that Rubio answers the only acceptable way in this day and age. He gave some blah blah blah without saying "the Bible says it is 3500 years old" (which it doesn't, btw) that GQ would then go around and say, look at this dweeb, lets make fun of him.

He does not deny his faith or what he believes.

So good on him.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 19, 2012 04:10 PM (/1U3u)

19 How old is the earth? Who was a better hitter Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle? The great questions of our time.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2012 04:11 PM (jE38p)

20 leave us out of this

Posted by: a pilgrimage of Aztecs at November 19, 2012 04:11 PM (Dll6b)

21 Did Rubio opine on whether Guam would tip over?

Oh, never mind, democrats never do, say, or believe in anything embarrassing.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:11 PM (QxSug)

22 the correct answer: "I don't really know. How much do you think electricity will cost after the EPA is done closing down all the coal fired generating facilities?"

Posted by: mallfly at November 19, 2012 04:12 PM (bJm7W)

23 By the way, this is far from settled science even in the scientific community who study this kind of thing. Unlike global warming, there isn't a concensus.
That being said, I don't think anyone is arguing the planet is 7,000 years old or whatever it is they think the bible thumpers thing, but I consider myself pretty well informed and I'm not sure how I would even answer that question.

Why don't dems ever get questions like this. Like why not ask Mrs The Word Pelosi of her thoughts on the subject. Or whether eurcharist is REALLY jesus' body, or if it just symbolizes it (which goes against catholic teaching.)

Posted by: Timin203 at November 19, 2012 04:12 PM (5WxMt)

24 we don't really pilgrim, we invade.

Posted by: a pligrimage of Azetecs at November 19, 2012 04:12 PM (LCRYB)

25 who has nicer ta-tas? Liz Hurley or Meatloaf??

Posted by: typical unappreciative over-thinker at November 19, 2012 04:13 PM (Dll6b)

26 I've been reading Raymond Chandler lately

I can hear the Perry Mason theme in my head.

Posted by: fluffy at November 19, 2012 04:13 PM (3SvjA)

27 I'm sorry, why is "4-5 billion years" or alternatively "a couple of billion years" off the table as an answer?

It's kind of the actual answer and all.

Yes, Republicans will get asked dumb questions that Democrats won't. This is what we call "a fact of life". Either attack the dumb fuck reporter like Newt would or answer the question.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 19, 2012 04:13 PM (Lv85W)

28 For Barack so loved the World...

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 19, 2012 04:13 PM (71LDo)

29 I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says,

The Bible doesn't say how old the Earth is. Cranks interpreting the Bible by counting begats say how old the Earth is.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 19, 2012 04:13 PM (QKKT0)

30 The real question: has Marco Rubio ever been on SNL? The answer: NO! Has Bruce Springsteen ever called Marco Rubio? The answer: NO! Clearly I am superior to Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 19, 2012 04:13 PM (ypzqs)

31 Thanks for your tolerance. You will never make it on the Left. I think they are barking up the wrong tree. Some Christian sects believe strongly that the Earth is 5200 years old and not a day older. Rubio is a Roman Catholic. They ( we) don't come out swinging for creationalist type world. Not saying Catholic doctrine ignores Adam and Eve,though we see the bible as more didactic fiction than hard fact. Point being in their ignorant attempt to portray Rubio as ignorant they were ingnorant as to the tenets of his religion.

Posted by: Mac at November 19, 2012 04:13 PM (0J18b)

32 He should have said "Look at Christina Hendricks' tits and tell me you don't believe in God".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 19, 2012 04:13 PM (JGfaj)

33 As far as I'm concerned, a person can believe whatever goofy superstitions he wants, and/or insert his member into or have inserted into him the consenting adult's genitalia of his choosing, as long as he's not costing me any of my money or freedom. And in an ideal world, the godly and the gay would have the same consideration for me and for each other.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (celt+)

34 leave ME out of this, too

Posted by: zombie Raymond Chandler at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (Dll6b)

35
How old is the earth?>>

A good answer would have been "Somewhere less than infinity and more than my current age." Call me when there's a non theoretical number.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (tf9Ne)

36 .... or thinks of religion like he thinks of straight vodka -- a sip here
and there in public gatherings is okay, but no more than that and never
when you're alone, or else you've got a problem.


Very nice ace. Never heard it expressed that way.

Posted by: eleven at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (KXm42)

37 I just know there's a reply that includes a twist on "you didn't build that" but I can't quite get it out.

Posted by: mallfly at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (bJm7W)

38 He should also point out what other religions (exalted by the Left) say about turtles or whatever. I'm referring to Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. Hell, bring up aboriginal American beliefs. Christianity is not the only wacky religion out there. (I use "wacky" satirically here.)

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (dZ756)

39 It's a bit of a low bar, but I don't have a problem with GQ asking this type of question to see if our pols can answer it without sounding like a complete moron.

So congrats to Sen. Rubio. He's obviously smarter than Rapin Akin and Sauron of Mourdock.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (TOk1P)

40 GQ is still in publications?? Huh, did not know that.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (ir4lD)

41 leave us out of this
Posted by: a pilgrimage of Aztecs at November 19, 2012 04:11 PM (Dll6b)


Fuck you. Oh, and we are still here.

Posted by: The Mayans at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (3SvjA)

42 Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Just once, I'd like one of these politicians to turn the question back on the interviewer: "Well, how old do YOU think the Earth is? Be sure and provide supporting documentation for your position."

Because the interviewer ain't a scientist, either......

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (XjXIN)

43 yeah, the evangelic gaytheist community has it all figured out.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (QxSug)

44 It's kind of the actual answer and all.

Unless, of course, you're a Biblical Literalist and don't believe that. I'm not sure why the answer matters. Who the F cares how old the earth is?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (8y9MW)

45 Good answer, Rubio. I don't need a president who is focused on arguing about how old the universe is or what types of rape justify abortion. One big difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals think there needs to be law for everything. Conservatives are quite comfortable holding a belief, but allowing others to have a different belief.

IMO one big problem with the Republican party isn't that it's too conservative but that's it's filled with radicals who want to use the force of law to impose their beliefs on others. Let's call them "Traditionalists" or something to reference that their beliefs are neither liberal or radical, but to call them conservative is mistake. The Tea Party is more conservative than anything else out there now.

Posted by: major major major major at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (utCAk)

46 I was wondering if you were an atheist, ace. I know a lot of really smart atheists but it would help if they weren't so damn smug and condescending. faith really is a matter of faith, not intelligence.

Posted by: just L at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (0PiQ4)

47

Ace, you may not be a practicing Christian, but you certainly have the beliefs down pat.

Shit, though, Rubio's Catholic. It's not necessary for him to believe in a "young" earth. He can say 4.7 billion and not bat an eye.

He should ask the dickhead interviewer for a number, and then make fun of the cockholster when he can't come up with the right age himself.

Posted by: imp at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (UaxA0)

48 Are you for high taxes / social spending / Keynesian economics / soaking the rich / gay marriage / abortion / death to Israel?

If yes, then it doesn't matter what crazy theological beliefs you hold otherwise. Jesus. Gaia. Voldemort. Whatever. Your spiritual beliefs are a private love song between you and your heart, brother.

If no, then you're a window licking, snake handling theocrat buffoon, and should be laughed out of office, polite society, and, if possible, the planet. Your spiritual beliefs are a threat to humanity, and should be eradicated like vermin.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (27tUc)

49 I agree with Drew.

I dont like his answer. He shouldnt have answered it imho. It has nothing to do with policy.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (5H6zj)

50 How old is the Earth? I don't know. When did Obama create the Heavens and the Earth?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (Hx5uv)

51 but they sure do take global warming on faith, eh?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (QxSug)

52 That cognitive dissonance you're experiencing is Ace's latest example of atheists trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us.

I could have sworn that was a *bad* thing, but I drink a lot and it's possible I misheard.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (BushJ)

53 It's a bit of a low bar, but I don't have a problem with GQ asking this
type of question to see if our pols can answer it without sounding like a
complete moron.


I can agree with that, too.

Imagine if Akin or Mourdock had gone in front of GQ (prior to their primaries). We might have been spared some foot-in-mouth disease.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (8y9MW)

54
Depends on what universal constant a universal being would use to describe a "day" when speaking to someone with no scientific knowlege.

Howvery Earth-centric of these bigoted earthlings.

Posted by: Invictus at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (OQpzc)

55 I thought Rubio was Catholic.

Please tell me our last best hope isn't a fundie.

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (Q8Wa9)

56 neoMarxistprogs can't have people believing in something higher than themselves.

Ruins the whole government-as-deity orthodoxy.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (EZl54)

57 "7 actual eras" sounds like a good / 'politic' answer to a question any politician should avoid

Posted by: Zanzi in Zanzibar at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (Dll6b)

58
I think Rubio's answer was pretty good, actually.

It was an obvious 'gotcha' question...and he threw it back at them.

Posted by: wheatie at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (ICEh3)

59 BTW -- I drink alone. I could write a song about it.

Posted by: eleven at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (KXm42)

60 I believe Liberalism is EVIL and that liberals are either dupes or evil themselves if they know better.

Ani ma-a-meem, for my fellow M's of T.

DEFIANCE.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (vCK/R)

61

IMO one big problem with the Republican party isn't that it's too
conservative but that's it's filled with radicals who want to use the
force of law to impose their beliefs on others. Let's call them
"Traditionalists" or something to reference that their beliefs are
neither liberal or radical, but to call them conservative is mistake.
The Tea Party is more conservative than anything else out there now.



COUGHhomomarriageCOUGH

EVERYONE tries to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

It's called politics.

Posted by: imp at November 19, 2012 04:16 PM (UaxA0)

62 Scratch an atheist lib, find an islamist. And then wash your hands.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 19, 2012 04:17 PM (JGfaj)

63 @55

whose last best hope,moby?

speak for yourself.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 19, 2012 04:17 PM (EZl54)

64 "Not saying Catholic doctrine ignores Adam and Eve,though we see the bible as more didactic fiction than hard fact."

As far as I know, current RCC doctrine doesn't have any problem with evolution (and hasn't since 1950, at least).

With respect to the age of the Earth: the Big Bang Theory was developed by Georges Lemaître, who was a Catholic priest as well as being an astrophysicist.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:17 PM (pkkxZ)

65 I like his answer but the proper answer should be "fuck you, next question."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 19, 2012 04:17 PM (vCK/R)

66 Rubio's answer wasn't all that bad.

Posted by: just L at November 19, 2012 04:17 PM (0PiQ4)

67 Wait, Rubio is Catholic.

Young Earth and Creationism aren't Catholic things.

Observant Catholics have no problem saying the Earth is billions of years old.

Observant Catholics also have no problem believing in evolution.

Church's position is just that God worked via evolution.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:17 PM (ZPrif)

68 I'm sorry, why is "4-5 billion years" or alternatively "a couple of billion years" off the table as an answer?

It's kind of the actual answer and all.


Well that's pretty definitive. You have it narrowed down to a single digit number of billions of years.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 19, 2012 04:18 PM (/1U3u)

69 48
Are you for high taxes / social spending / Keynesian economics / soaking the rich / gay marriage / abortion / death to Israel?



If yes, then it doesn't matter what crazy theological beliefs you
hold otherwise. Jesus. Gaia. Voldemort. Whatever. Your spiritual beliefs
are a private love song between you and your heart, brother.



If no, then you're a window licking, snake handling theocrat
buffoon, and should be laughed out of office, polite society, and, if
possible, the planet. Your spiritual beliefs are a threat to humanity,
and should be eradicated like vermin.

Posted by:

I got 2 outta 7.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 04:18 PM (dZ756)

70 Actually, the Obama bible is a lot like the real Bible except for when Obama says, "Let there be dark!"

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 19, 2012 04:19 PM (Hx5uv)

71 63 @55

whose last best hope,moby?

speak for yourself.

@@@@@@

I stand corrected. MY last best hope. If you could provide some alternatives, I'd be much obliged.

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 19, 2012 04:19 PM (Q8Wa9)

72 So this is Rubio trying not to alienate the evangelical fundamentalists in the GOP. And it's the reporter trying to drive a wedge between them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:19 PM (ZPrif)

73 Ferb Fletcher is a fundie--and he's f*ckin fab-u-lous!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Zanzi in Zanzibar at November 19, 2012 04:19 PM (Dll6b)

74 This may have been an OK answer, but it doesn't excuse Rubio for some of his dumbshit post-election comments. Isn't he a Poppin' Fresh/Bill Kristol squish on illegal immigration, too?

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 19, 2012 04:19 PM (yKUrR)

75 Nobody asked candidate Obama if he intended to create the position of "Safe Schools Czar" to be filled by a pervert who advocated teaching anal fisting to elementary school kids. Yeah, those biblical literalists sure are wacko.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 19, 2012 04:20 PM (nZvGM)

76 So they're already worried about Rubio.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 19, 2012 04:20 PM (JGfaj)

77 what's an even crazier belief for GOP pols to hold is that there's a such thing as voter fraud. apparently, because they profess belief in their sky friend named Jesus but not that black panthers stuffed the ballot boxes at the Philly polls they kicked the GOP judges out of.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:20 PM (QxSug)

78
Even McCain, King of all RINOs, gave the 'dumbest question I've ever heard' response a few days ago to an idiot reporter.

Why can't we do more of that? Instead of trying to finesse them with fancy talking, just give them the uppercut.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at November 19, 2012 04:20 PM (pzmYs)

79 I think Rubio was raised Catholic, but he and his wife attend an evangelical church. I remember reading that somewhere.

Posted by: just L at November 19, 2012 04:20 PM (0PiQ4)

80 Unless, of course, you're a Biblical Literalist and don't believe that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:15 PM (8y9MW)


Except belief has nothing to do with it. It's a measurable phenomenon.

Regardless of ones belief, the speed of light (in a vacuum) is 299,792,458/second.

Science can't measure faith and faith can't measure observable facts. Each has their role but they aren't interchangeable.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 19, 2012 04:20 PM (Lv85W)

81 There's a Derbyshire column that I go back to every time shit like this happens. I'm glad that NRO hasn't scrubbed it from their archives.

http://tinyurl.com/99ou5qe

Key grafs:

My ideal nursing-home attendant, auto mechanic, or president
would be a cheerful, capable, well-motivated person who was thoroughly
au courant with the theory of evolution — and indeed
with all the most recent advances in astronomy, biochemistry,
cosmology, dendrochronology, endochrinology, fluviology,
geomorphology, hydrodynamics, ichthyology, jurisprudence,
kinesiology, limnology, microbiology, neuropathology, ophthalmology,
psychometrics, quantum chromodynamics, rocket science, seismology,
trichology, urology, virology, wiretapping, xenodocheionology,
yachting, and zoology.

Life, however, often consists of making a choice
between unsatisfactory alternatives. Invited to choose between
having my kids educated, my car fixed, or my elderly relatives
cared for by (a) people of character, spirit, and dedication
who believe in pseudoscience, or (b) unionized, time-serving drudges who
believe in real science, which would I choose? Invited to
choose between a president who is (a) a patriotic family man of
character and ability who believes the universe was created on
a Friday afternoon in 4,004 B.C. with all biological species
instantly represented, or (b) a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure who believes in the evolution
of species via natural selection across hundreds of millions
of years, which would I choose? Are you kidding?

This selection may or may not have been edited by me.

Posted by: Armando at November 19, 2012 04:21 PM (5iuEW)

82 All he had to do was tell the reporter that the question was an insult to the Muslim faith and he would have backed away hard enough to leave skid marks.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 19, 2012 04:21 PM (nBkKu)

83 Such a douchey question to ask.

I'd like to see a reported ask any Catholic dem if they believe abortion is a sin.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 19, 2012 04:21 PM (UypUQ)

84 At least he's not being asked about faith healing and stuff.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 04:21 PM (dZ756)

85 The Earth is billions of years old. Mankind (read Adam and Eve) were created around 6,000 years ago. Get it straight, for Gods' sake.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 19, 2012 04:21 PM (BVkEs)

86 Yeah, the standard Catholic answer to the "7 days" thing is that, "God's version of a day is a helluva lot different than our version of a day."

Thus, accepting God's work through evolution.

Posted by: The Q at November 19, 2012 04:21 PM (YpecZ)

87 GQ : "How old do you think the Earth is?"

BIBR : "How the fuck do you idiots stay in business? You receive no points, Mr. Madison, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (e0xKF)

88 When the MFM gives you a question like that, mock them, "I'm sorry, I'll have to defer to your age and wisdom on that as it was before my time."

Posted by: Someone Out There at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (uDAyD)

89 "Imagine if Akin or Mourdock had gone in front of GQ"

Akin is a Presbyterian. The official position of that church on evolution is "that's not our business".

Mourdock belongs to some non-denominational church. No idea what position it might have, if any.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (pkkxZ)

90 >>Science can't measure faith and faith can't measure observable facts. Each has their role but they aren't interchangeable.

Yeah, just ask the global warming alarmists.

Posted by: angler at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (SwjAj)

91 >>>Unless, of course, you're a Biblical Literalist and don't believe that. I'm not sure why the answer matters. Who the F cares how old the earth is?

Kind of a weird answer. I care. My life's not riding on the answer or anything, but yeah, I like to know when the earth formed, how old the universe is, when man evolved, when the first tribes swept into europe and across asia, etc.

I would mind your "Who cares?" answer because it's that sort of answer that makes the anti-religion crowd very suspicious of the religious. The idea (which you might not have intended) that if it's not in the Bible it's not worth knowing.

It's that last part that's the problem. Christianity has one of the most amazing intellectual traditions of any religion -- probably the greatest, actually. To speak casually of anti-intellectualism as if it is part of the creed of Christianity has big problems. For one thing, it's historically wrong; for another thing, it shuts the mind off from a great many interesting things God probably wants people to be interested in (or else he would not have made them so interesting), and for a third thing, it's a major political problem.

People aren't down on Christianity for the Christianity per se, but more for the idea -- real or perceived -- that Christianity has become a sort of closed system of belief in which all answers are contained in the Bible.

obviously, that's not true. You don't check the Bible to see what the weather will be. You don't check the Bible to discover if a sleeping medication will interfere with your heart medication.

I think that's what "scares" people about Christianity, as it presents itself, at least in the public square (which is where everything presents itself; if it's done in private, no one knows). That's the killer.

This idea that if you're a Christian, you're not interested in many things, and you're sort of proud of not being interested in many things.

Again, I'm not saying this is the TRUTH. But I am saying this is the idea that is hinted at with these put-downs of "non-Christian" things like which was formed first, the sun or the earth.

I remember discussing this some time ago, and how the Biblical account of the creation of the solar system makes no sense and does not square with evidence, and an answer I got from someone was "Well who CARES if the sun or earth formed first!!!"

Again, more people are interested in this question than, I would guess, intricacies of Christian political thought. So answers like this are broadly alienating.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (LCRYB)

92 How old is the Earth?
Well, it was here before me, and it will likely be here after I'm gone.
So...... next question.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (I7O5y)

93 Regardless of ones belief, the speed of light (in a vacuum) is 299,792,458/second.

Oh gosh, it takes me a lot longer than that to vacuum.

Posted by: Meggy Mac at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (JGfaj)

94 40 GQ is still in publications?? Huh, did not know that.
Posted by: puddleglum at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (ir4lD)

I knew it. They did a fourth of July photoshoot showing the most patriotic images I can think of: Kate Upton's tits.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (t06LC)

95 The MFM setting a trap for a Republican. Huh. Imagine that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,





Posted by: Zanzi in Zanzibar at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (Dll6b)

96 Seems like an attempt to create a per se bar to fundamentalist Christians serving in political office, or any sort of public position, period.


Bingo. You know what I'd like to see? Besides the winning numbers for Wednesday's PowerBall, that would be nice, I would like to see someone slam back with "You do know that it is a violation of the Constitution to have a religious test for office, right?"


Forget just public office, it's an attempt to claim that fundamentalist Christians should have no part in civic life at all. If you take the Gay Left's position to its logical conclusion, anyone who opposes gay marriage should not be allowed to work anywhere ever. There's also at least one professor, I can't remember where, who refuses to provide references for anyone who won't wholeheartedly espouse evolution. It is a point blank attempt to portray all fundamentalist Christians as so bizarre they must not be allowed to participate in society at all.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (VtjlW)

97 yeah, we should be asking DNC pols about this shit too.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (QxSug)

98
4-5 billion y.o.?

that's scientific? an answer that includes a range of a billion years is somehow the 'right' answer, the acceptable answer, the educated answer?

my. ass.

Posted by: soothsayer, king of siam, i am at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (v8xyR)

99 "I'd like to see a reported ask any Catholic dem if they believe abortion is a sin."

I'd like to see a reporter ask Biden if he still thinks we need a constitutional amendment to repeal Roe v. Wade (which he did at one time). Funny how that never came up in the campaign, innit?

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:23 PM (pkkxZ)

100 53 -

GQ magazine... doing the tough jobs R primary voters won't do (i.e. filtering out the nitwits).

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2012 04:23 PM (TOk1P)

101
I knew it. They did a fourth of July photoshoot showing the most patriotic images I can think of: Kate Upton's tits.

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Did they have red and white stripes then let all the readers add their own 50 stars?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 04:23 PM (e0xKF)

102 Science can't measure faith and faith can't measure observable facts. Each has their role but they aren't interchangeable.

The problem is that we've never watched carbon degrade for a billion years, so we don't actually know that it's half-life stays constant (among other things). What the science says, right now, is that the earth is billions of years old. That doesn't mean we won't find out something tomorrow that changes that.

More importantly, if you're a Biblical Literalist, you believe that God created the earth with just the right amount of carbon decay and such to make it look like the earth is billions of years old.

I didn't say it wasn't crazy. Just that people believe it.

And, again: why does it matter? What does it matter, to you, if I believe the earth only started existing when I was born? As long as our ideas in areas of policy agree, what difference does it make?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:23 PM (8y9MW)

103 If yes, then it doesn't matter what crazy theological beliefs you

hold otherwise. Jesus. Gaia. Voldemort. Whatever. Your spiritual beliefs

are a private love song between you and your heart, brother.




That's it. We're coming back for our fucking monolith, idiots.

Posted by: A Super-Advanced Civilization with A Limited Monolith-Dropping Budget at November 19, 2012 04:23 PM (QKKT0)

104 Science can't measure faith and faith can't measure observable facts. Each has their role but they aren't interchangeable.

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True that.... but they aint mutually exclusive either.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (nELVU)

105
Older than dirt might be an accurate answer.

Posted by: i am mad as hell - period at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (cgxNI)

106 Can we get Democrats on the record as saying the Catholic doctrine of communion -- ie it being the actual body and and blood of Christ -- is stupid, backward, unscientific, and ignorant.

Cause that would be awesome.

Hey, let's have politicians attack key tenets of religious faith. I'm sure that will end well for America.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (ZPrif)

107 I think that's what "scares" people about Christianity,

No. What "scares" people about Christianity is that they have been taught for at least 50 years that Hitler was a Christian who was intolerant of the Jews because he was a Christian.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (JGfaj)

108 GQ: The Republican strategy after Obama came into office was to
make sure the president didn't have another term. The Republicans didn't
have a plan and were just going to say no to everything the president
put forth.

That was another "question". No further comment necessary.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (SY2Kh)

109
79I think Rubio was raised Catholic, but he and his wife attend an evangelical church. I remember reading that somewhere.

Posted by: just L at November 19, 2012 04:20 PM (0PiQ4)

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I think his parents were Mormon for a while, too...then changed to something else.

Posted by: wheatie at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (ICEh3)

110 Actually, I liked his answer. It's kind of like the one I typically use, even with other Christians.

"I don't know. Why do you think it matters?"


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:09 PM (8y9MW)

I'm with you....I thought the answer was just fine. Since when does GQ give a hoot about earth age?


Posted by: kawfytawk at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (JWLqy)

111 the Venerable Bede answered this question 1300 or so years ago



Posted by: Zanzi in Zanzibar at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (Dll6b)

112 Someone once asked me if I believed that God created the world in seven days. I asked them how long a day is to an immortal.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (t06LC)

113 As long as I don't wake up in a Mayan afterlife it's all good.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 04:25 PM (QupBk)

114
.....I dunno.... ask Pelosi. She was there.

Posted by: .... the "other" answer. at November 19, 2012 04:25 PM (nELVU)

115 Good points, ace. But it's more political than that. The left hates the evangelicals. Hate hate hates. Like your tweets about "ok, but Tebow actually goes and does charitable works," so chill.

It seems that the catholics in America are tame mice but the evangelicals actually vote their consciences.

This is an attempt to get back at them.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:25 PM (QxSug)

116 they never listen

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at November 19, 2012 04:25 PM (EZl54)

117 >>How old is the Earth?

If you want a definitive answer, we need to cut Helen Thomas in half and count the rings.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2012 04:25 PM (aClC5)

118 not an atheist? No evolution? WITCH WITCH BURN HIM BURN EM AT THE STAKE!!!!

Posted by: progresive at November 19, 2012 04:25 PM (dv7J0)

119 14 >>>8 Dude!
Everybody knows the Earth was created on Jan 20, 2009 ...

And on the seventh day, He went golfing.

Close: And on the 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th . . . days he went golfing.

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 19, 2012 04:26 PM (DOEXI)

120
Wait, the perfect answer....

Older than me, but younger than Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 19, 2012 04:26 PM (3BbLJ)

121

42.

Posted by: Deep Thought at November 19, 2012 04:26 PM (aClC5)

122 Q: How old is the earth?
A: Do you speak Hebrew? Read Attic Greek, or classical Latin?
Q: Not really.
A: Then you're not qualified to discuss it. Send someone literate.
____________
Chicken, or the egg? I know the answer to that. The eternal answer.
The rooster came first. And that has been our downfall.

Nick Danger alert: Ace is reading Chandler. Tune in later as he turns the corner of Lousy Etiquette and walks into a sandstone building. "Ow!"

Posted by: comatus at November 19, 2012 04:26 PM (qaVK+)

123 Can we get Democrats on the record as saying the Catholic doctrine of
communion -- ie it being the actual body and and blood of Christ -- is
stupid, backward, unscientific, and ignorant.



Cause that would be awesome.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (ZPrif)


I think they did....at their convention....three times even

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 19, 2012 04:26 PM (JWLqy)

124 As a social conservative, evangelical Christian, right-wing nut job creationist, I approve of his answer.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (DoZD+)

125
the new McCarthyism

How old is the Earth?

Do you believe in dinosaurs?

Are you against abortion?

Was George Bush a good president?

Is homosexuality a sin?

Do you believe Noah built an ark?

Where was Obama born?

Was Jesus a real person or just a metaphor?

Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh?

Are you against stem cell research?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (v8xyR)

126 80 -

You're kind of an idiot, Drew. I'm pretty sure that's established scientific fact too.

But go ahead, alienate millions of voters by telling them their beliefs are false.

Akin is smarter than you, Drew. At least he TRIED to finesse an answer.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (TOk1P)

127 the answer is always 42

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (u673+)

128 Wait a minute - we all know that the acceptable answer is "That's above my pay grade", right?

I mean Our Lord and Saviour Barack Hussein Obama got away with that answer 4 years ago - if it's good enough for Chicago Jesus, it should be good enough for Marco Rubio.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (XjXIN)

129 And did we ever get Obama to comment on Farrakhan's belief that all white people were created 6,000 years by an evil black scientist name Yacob via breeding experiments in an attempt to create an evil race of subhuman creatures to enslave the black man?

Pretty sure there's some scientific evidence against that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (ZPrif)

130 Great answer by Rubio. Socons should take not of how he handled this.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (p+4lN)

131 >>>4-5 billion y.o.?

>>>that's scientific? an answer that includes a range of a billion years is somehow the 'right' answer, the acceptable answer, the educated answer?

>>>my. ass.

Your conception of science seems faith-based. Like you want a DEFINITE ANSWER, even if the evidence is vague and will only support broad estimations.

Religion isn't science for God's sake. Science =/= Truth, either. Science is a specific methodology of determining the *physical* cause of phenomena which contains, implicitly, the assumption/rule that the cause cannot be attributed to the Supernatural.

Those of you trying to push the Supernatural into "science" are just barking up the wrong tree and to your own political detriment.

Whether you like it or not, science and engineering provides real answers to important (if not metaphysical) questions like "what is the shearing force this bridge can tolerate?" People do not want *magic* mixed in with this, and for very good reason, and if you keep trying to push magic into bridge engineering, you'll find you have very few people on your side.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (LCRYB)

132 61. Nope, not all of us (and not about everything). One of the hardest things to do is forcing people to be free.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (X/+QT)

133 So, if GOP had clout in the media, could ask questions like

"so sandy caused by global warming?"

"then what about the year before, did global warming cause no significant hurricanes?"

"the year before that."

we can mock them too

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:27 PM (QxSug)

134 83
Such a douchey question to ask.

I'd like to see a reported ask any Catholic dem if they believe abortion is a sin.


Posted by: Serious Cat

No, you don't, because they invariably give a variation on the right answer (from a political standpoint) being that they don't impose their morality on such issues on other people and whether they go to Hell is between them and their deity. Now, some of you here will extend that sentiment to include murdering actually-born people to mock the logic of it, which is why they call the GOP the stupid party.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 04:28 PM (dZ756)

135 I can just imagine the Media asking similar "Gotcha" questions to Democrats. Oh wait, I can't. I can't imagine that.

The whole idea of asking a question like that is very simple: Rubio is getting very popular, and thus according to the Media, he needs to be crushed.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 19, 2012 04:28 PM (P7hip)

136 It shouldn't matter whether you are a believer or not. It has no place in political discussion except for defending one's right to believe whatever the heck they want.

That's where the GOP has gone off the rails.

Posted by: Gomer Pyle at November 19, 2012 04:28 PM (f9c2L)

137 Yeah, the standard Catholic answer to the "7 days" thing is that, "God's
version of a day is a helluva lot different than our version of a day."


If memory serves, the oldest version of Genesis we have access to is written in a language where the word translated into "day" is a more indeterminate period of time. I want to say that was Aramaic, but I'm not sure.

That said, "day" can be indeterminate in English, as well: in my day ...

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 04:28 PM (4+LTj)

138 damn sock

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 19, 2012 04:28 PM (f9c2L)

139 We really shouldn't even answer questions like these. they are intended as either gotcha questions for the stupid who don't know how to articulate their beliefs or as subtext. Just offering a middle of the line response like this one puts it out there that the reason for the question to begin with is that the person being asked is an idiot religious fanatic.

Posted by: just L at November 19, 2012 04:28 PM (0PiQ4)

140 So this is what we get now, a fucking men's fashion magazine asking a Republican questions about the age of the universe.

Anyone think Glamour asked Barack Obama a question like this?

I hate the media.

Posted by: rockmom at November 19, 2012 04:28 PM (NYnoe)

141 89

Mourdock belongs to some non-denominational church. No idea what position it might have, if any.

@@@@@@@@@@

Yeah, Rubio is technically Catholic, but attends a "non-denominational" church.

Most non-denominational churches are creationist, in my (stipulated limited) 44-year experience.

Crap.

Crap, crap, crap.

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 19, 2012 04:29 PM (Q8Wa9)

142 I think they did....at their convention....three times even

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Did Bawney Fwank crow right after that?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 04:29 PM (e0xKF)

143 I don't understand why the question or any particular answer to it is somehow in the realm of government.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 04:29 PM (P6QsQ)

144 Whatever you think of Rubio or his answer - it was thoughtful considered and there was NO STUTTERING BACKTRACK COVERUP.

"My MM MM Muslim fffai.... I MEAN mmy CCChristian ffffaith."


yeah, whatever...

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 19, 2012 04:29 PM (EZl54)

145 I would mind your "Who cares?" answer because it's that sort of answer
that makes the anti-religion crowd very suspicious of the religious.
The idea (which you might not have intended) that if it's not in the
Bible it's not worth knowing.


I think you have to take context into consideration.

If I'm in a philosophical discussion about... well, whatever, and the discussion turns to creationism/young earth vs. evolution or whatever, then it matters more whether someone specifically believes in the young earth or not.

Perhaps the answer should have been "Why do my beliefs on that matter? Do you think my beliefs will change my policy positions?"

Like I said, I like his answer- "That has nothing to do with the fiscal realities we face. I don't know. We may never know. It's not something I think about much."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:29 PM (8y9MW)

146 If memory serves, the oldest version of Genesis we have access to is
written in a language where the word translated into "day" is a more
indeterminate period of time. I want to say that was Aramaic, but I'm
not sure.



Eh. Try Hebrew.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 19, 2012 04:29 PM (QKKT0)

147 My wife likes to snake-handle

Also, the correct answer is FYNQ, although I do appreciate some of the witty snark you retards have come up with. Bravo.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 19, 2012 04:29 PM (qrJhS)

148 Oh, and we are still here.
Posted by: The Mayans at November 19, 2012 04:14 PM (3SvjA)




Here SMOD SMOD SMOD SMOD SMOD.


This actually does remind me of the fuss about Tebow and his mom doing that anti-abortion ad that people were all up in arms about. Then the ad came out and I was like seriously? All y'all were freaking out about *that*?


Here. Have a Tebow ad. This not the ad with his mom but I prefer this one.

http://youtu.be/WO8imsZl1F8

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 19, 2012 04:30 PM (VtjlW)

149 Actually the Aztecs were pretty tolerant, religion wise.... they just simply added the gods of the conquered peoples, when they differed, to their own. They did this with Christian images too.

Posted by: Leigh at November 19, 2012 04:30 PM (pWkNv)

150 The Earth is billions of years old. Mankind (read Adam and Eve) were
created around 6,000 years ago. Get it straight, for Gods' sake.


I guess that could work. If your meaning is that they weren't the very first Homo-erecti ever, but the first "human" Homo-erecti.

Human as in human in God's eyes.

Posted by: eleven at November 19, 2012 04:30 PM (KXm42)

151 >>>ood points, ace. But it's more political than that. The left hates the evangelicals. Hate hate hates. Like your tweets about "ok, but Tebow actually goes and does charitable works," so chill.


Yes but the left is a lost cause. I'm not talking about not alienating the left. They come with factory-installed hatred. I'm talking about not alienating people who agree with you 80% but don't want to hear things like "I get my science from the Bible."

It's one thing to have a private belief like that -- who cares? -- but when people are choosing officials to make potentially life and death decisions, they kind of get wigged out by that sort of thing.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:30 PM (LCRYB)

152 Except belief has nothing to do with it. It's a measurable phenomenon.

Regardless of ones belief, the speed of light (in a vacuum) is 299,792,458/second.

Science can't measure faith and faith can't measure observable facts. Each has their role but they aren't interchangeable.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 19, 2012 04:20 PM (Lv85W)

Not all Christians believe in the literal 7 day creation....some realize that human time and God time can be VERY different

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 19, 2012 04:30 PM (JWLqy)

153 Again, I think Annie C has the right answer, they're using science to prove that god don't exist (tm).

But that's cool too, God made everything, he either left proof or he didn't.

I think as Catholics, there's a provisional of don't put god to the test. It's about faith, he isn't going to be dropping hints about his existence so don't bother checking....however...continue to pray, maybe God will cure your cancer on a lark.

But, I think Rubio's answer is illustrative as far as how meh he is on the whole idea. He knows there's some sort of unpopular idea about how old the earth is. He hasn't actually heard about it in church but he hedges his bets in case he missed something.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:30 PM (QxSug)

154 His answer was too long. He should have said "Did you forget to finish your science homework last night? Sorry, but if I help you that would be cheating. Do you have any serious questions for me about things that matter, like the economy?"

Posted by: not the mama at November 19, 2012 04:30 PM (kzCIn)

155 How about a politician who says "You know, I'm interested in lots of things and have lots of opinions. But when it comes to issues that are not a matter of public policy, I think I'll keep those opinions to myself. Politicians tend to love the sound of their own voices enough as it as, and so I think I'll spare the voters from having to listen to mine more than necessary."

That would go a long way to getting my vote.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (nZvGM)

156 I'm just a little annoyed at those of the nonbelievers who have Things All Figured Out and are as intolerant as a pilgrimage of Aztecs.

There is no way to have Things All Figured Out. The more I learn, the harder I study, the more I am amazed at how the system is set up to intentionally make it impossible for us to figure it out.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (feFL6)

157 People aren't down on Christianity for the Christianity per se, but more
for the idea -- real or perceived -- that Christianity has become a
sort of closed system of belief in which all answers are contained in
the Bible.
>>

People are down on Christianity because there has been a 40+ year PR war waged by the elites on it. Which has been taking the most extreme beliefs of certain sects and painting all Christians with them.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (tf9Ne)

158 I think Rubio was a little awkward there. I think it would have been better phrased along the lines of, "The age of the Earth has nothing whatsoever to do with the crises we face right now, and I'm not inclined to waste time by indulging you in such trivialities. When we get our budget and economy under control, then we'll have the luxury of debating things like that."

Posted by: Farmer Joe at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (HJsDx)

159 @131

Ace is right there. I always thought it was a bit silly for fundamentalist (literalist?) Christians to argue thier faith as evidence of science. (I recall Kirk Cameron doing that in an interview once, although I forgot on what topic)
Faith and science are mutually exclusive. Newton believed that he was using science to understand the rules God created. Faith is only needed for what cannot be explained in the absence of evidence. If you know something for certain, you don't need faith.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (t06LC)

160 oops I meant Homo-sapiens.

Got my homos all mixed up.

Posted by: eleven at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (KXm42)

161 #139 Exactly right. ALL Republicans should simply refuse to answer such questions. Just come right out and tell the interviewer, "I see what you are doing here, and I'm not answering that. Next question."

Posted by: rockmom at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (NYnoe)

162 I'm pretty sure eggs came first.
Because birds evolved from lizards or something.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (I7O5y)

163
Let's get all outraged about how unfair everything is and post away our anger and resentment.

And keep losing presidential elections....

Posted by: i am mad as hell - period at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (cgxNI)

164 More importantly, if you're a Biblical Literalist, you believe that God
created the earth with just the right amount of carbon decay and such to
make it look like the earth is billions of years old.


The idea that God would deliberately attempt to trick his faithful used to be considered a heresy. I used to remember which one in particular this was, but my memory's particularly bad today.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 04:32 PM (4+LTj)

165 Concur "I get my science from the Bible." = bad

But faith based climate change is something that we should, in a just world, be able to capitalize on.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:32 PM (QxSug)

166
Science talks out of its ass, sometimes, is my point.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 04:32 PM (v8xyR)

167 The Earth is 15 minutes old.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 19, 2012 04:32 PM (ImdBx)

168 This actually does remind me of the fuss about Tebow and his mom doing that anti-abortion ad that people were all up in arms about.
__
that ad changed the mind of at least one young pregnant mom. She was going to abort, then the Super bowl ad made her reconsider. I heard the story on a Focus on the Family show.

And that little girl will grow up to be the first female POTUS.

*that would be great, wouldn't it?*

Posted by: kallisto at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (jm/9g)

169 Newton believed that he was using science to understand the rules God created.

My favorite Newton quote is something like: "I have no idea what God is saying, but I know his language is Calculus."

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (4+LTj)

170 Game over. The MSM will go all out "flat earth" on Rubio now. Let's see, his presidential run was....November 9...though November 19. Nice…. Remember the famous debate where Chris Mathews asks "Who doesn't believe in evolution" Half the debaters raised their hands. Their presidential campaigns ended that night. It wasn’t an accident they asked this question. Rubio isn’t rich so we have to make him young earth creationist crazy. Just for the record, we kind of fucking know the answer to the question and have for a long time....

Posted by: Mr. Know it All at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (uJK1E)

171 This no editing thing is dangerous for a moran like me.

Posted by: eleven at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (KXm42)

172 Shorter MFM to any GOP candidate, anywhere:

You're intolerant of certain things, aren't you?

Candidate: ???

Electorate: Don't be hatin, GOP

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (zpqa2)

173
every single question is framed in a way to make conservatives look stupid or hateful. Until this paradigm gets destroyed, the GOP will continue to have a culture problem.

Posted by: California Red at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (icSBv)

174 To me, this kind of attack is much different than say the Akin position on abortion.

For starters, it has nothing to do with public policy. it's basically just "let's make every Christian look stupid" Republicans should absolutely push back on this nonsense. Why not start asking these types of questions to Democrats?

Also, when people like me want to push back at the fringe elements of social conservatism, I'm never asking people to drop their moral beliefs. To insist a candidate not hold "creationist" beliefs or they're disqualified truly is disgusting.

Posted by: McAdams at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (7MC2X)

175 From now on, any time a GQ "reporter" wants to know how old a Republican thinks the earth is or Rachel Maddow wants to know what a Republicans' opinion of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 might be, the correct answer should be: "Blow it out your ass."

It's sad that GQ and TPM and ThinkProgress can get this much play for this nonsense, but that's the world we live in. No sense whining about it.

Posted by: Brewdog at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (jg+Fr)

176 Actually the Aztecs were pretty tolerant, religion wise.... they just simply added the gods of the conquered peoples, when they differed, to their own. They did this with Christian images too.
Posted by: Leigh at November 19, 2012 04:30 PM (pWkNv)

And then they would demand a human sacrifice to the new gods too. Yay tolerance.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (t06LC)

177 The Earth? It must be a little bit older than the Elephants the Earth sits upon... so if we ask them....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 19, 2012 04:34 PM (lZBBB)

178 166
Science talks out of its ass, sometimes, is my point.

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"Talking out of its ass" would be trying to spin a theory with little explanation behind it.

Full-fleged fraud is en vogue with science these days, as the AGW stuff and the cloning stuff in Korea has shown.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 04:34 PM (e0xKF)

179 I'm tired of being pissed at the media double standards.
They're quite effective at keeping us from getting any traction.

Posted by: Iblis at November 19, 2012 04:34 PM (9221z)

180 Why is he doing an interview for GQ anyway? My answer would be something mocking, and feature Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: IBT at November 19, 2012 04:34 PM (2t6Gz)

181 Or answers like "Jesus said to help the poor, he didn't say to endow their poverty by creating a culture of dependence."

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:34 PM (QxSug)

182 how about saying that you're not sure how old the earth is but it still looks more attractive than Helen Thomas?

Posted by: mallfly at November 19, 2012 04:34 PM (bJm7W)

183 No. What "scares" people about Christianity is that they have been taught for at least 50 years that Hitler was a Christian who was intolerant of the Jews because he was a Christian.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 19, 2012 04:24 PM (JGfaj)


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Not even close. What scares people about Christianity is that Godly people believe that each individual is responsible for their own actions.

Non-believers want to do what they want without any consequences.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2012 04:35 PM (whJ33)

184 a union thug teacher doing no-show rubber room "work" while earning a fat paycheck and inviolable pension is not Christian, it is a patronage payout.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:35 PM (QxSug)

185 "Not all Christians believe in the literal 7 day creation"

In fact 7 day literalists are a distinct minority. Take out the Catholics, and the Presbyterians, and the Anglicans/Episcopalians, and the Methodists, and the mainstream Lutherans.... as far as major denominations go, only the Southern Baptists and a subset of the Lutherans (LCMS) still believe in the 7 literal day thing.

The Mormons are noncommital on the issue.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:35 PM (pkkxZ)

186 The dumbing down of society though our schools and MTV has come to fruition; teenagers and sadly, even folks in their 20's can tell you all you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, Twilight sagas, Justin Beiber's love life but will have no idea who C.S. Lewis is. Sometimes I think the vast intellectual richness of Christianity, regardless of whether one is a believer or not, is totally lost to the younger generation.

Posted by: IC at November 19, 2012 04:35 PM (a0IVu)

187 My favorite Newton quote is something like: "I have no idea what God is saying, but I know his language is Calculus."
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (4+LTj)



God does not play dice with the universe.


I get really defensive about this stuff because I grew up among the young Earthers so it is more than a bit of hey only *I* get to mock my family, okay? You shut up, you.


I think Rubio's answer was fine because answering the way he did deftly pointed out the horrific bigotry behind the question.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 19, 2012 04:35 PM (VtjlW)

188 how old is Nancy Pelosi? I hear she's old as dirt... (apologies if anyone already said that)

Posted by: mallfly at November 19, 2012 04:35 PM (bJm7W)

189 If the United States is on the path to embracing Islam and chucking Christianity as a valid faith could someone let me in on it I forgot my decoder ring. Why does the one asshammer from MN never have to explain his faith in the Jihadi Jim cult?

Ellison or something....?

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (LRFds)

190 >>Science talks out of its ass

They like to leave out the, '...we think.'.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (aClC5)

191 It shouldn't matter whether you are a believer or
not. It has no place in political discussion except for defending one's
right to believe whatever the heck they want.

That's where the GOP has gone off the rails.


Posted by: Gomer Pyle at November 19, 2012 04:28 PM (f9c2L)

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I don't understand why it's the GOP's fault that only GOP politicians get asked these questions.

Rubio didn't bring up this question, a reporter did. It's the Left that is obsessed with people's religious beliefs. You know why? Because having religious beliefs that the Left deems unsuitable interferes with their totalitarianism.
Freedom of conscience is the lynch-pin of a free society. Take that away, or humiliate it into silence, is the mission of those who seek total control. For reference, please see Communist China, which seeks to this day the breaking of the back of Christian churches.
Religious freedom is the number one threat to totalitarianism. Progressives are on their way to stamping out individual conscience, and subjugating that to the State.
It's not the GOP that has gone off the rails. It's the Left.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (P6QsQ)

192 Admin Won’t Criticize Turkey’s Accusation that ‘Israel Is a Terrorist State’

From that brainless broad at State

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (jE38p)

193 Or, as PJ Orourke said

"There's some talk that the earth was created 15 minutes ago, but I was watching CNN at the time, and I'm sure they would've said something."

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (QxSug)

194 science is about the process more than the result


religion is...........different

Posted by: Mr. Profound-O at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (Dll6b)

195 Forget just public office, it's an attempt to claim that fundamentalist Christians should have no part in civic life at all. If you take the Gay Left's position to its logical conclusion, anyone who opposes gay marriage should not be allowed to work anywhere ever. There's also at least one professor, I can't remember where, who refuses to provide references for anyone who won't wholeheartedly espouse evolution. It is a point blank attempt to portray all fundamentalist Christians as so bizarre they must not be allowed to participate in society at all.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough[/]

And yet, both militant Atheists and The Angry Gay always insist on living within the communities of Christians, especially the more fundamental ones, if we believe the census. Bizarre.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (jfUIE)

196 Eh. Try Hebrew.

My memory was that it the oldest actual copy isn't in Hebrew, but in some other language; that the Hebrew versions were copies of other, non-extant versions.

But now I gotta go look it up, thanks.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (4+LTj)

197 I think it was a good answer. The media will always try the gotcha questions with and R/Conservative to corner them as being a "neanderthal, women-hating, bible-thumping, beast".
Don't let them Turn it right back on them.

Posted by: Cheri at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (G+Wff)

198 The Earth? It must be a little bit older than the Elephants the Earth sits upon... so if we ask them....

That's just ignorant superstition!
The elephants were there first!

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (I7O5y)

199 >>>Science talks out of its ass, sometimes, is my point.

Sure it does but in some cases -- such as fixing the date of the earth's formation (5 billion years) or the Big Bang (14 billion years) you're obviously working on very indirect evidence and supposition.

Science isn't an answer, it's a methodology or mode of thought. The date of the Big Bang was revised by several billion years recently. It doesn't mean that either answer, the older one or the newer one, was "talking out of one's ass." In both cases it's the best available answer, according to physical (not supernatural) processes, to the extent they are understood, which changes over the years.

This is ultimately why Akin was so unelectable. It's one thing to say "I believe in God and his grace." It's another thing to start making up "science" (the body has ways to shut that down) to backwards-reason "scientific explanations" for your position. At that point the Believer becomes merely the Crank.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (LCRYB)

200 Right! What's all this, then?

I call bullshit.

First: No one touches this creme puff:

Oh, and we are still here.
Posted by: The Mayans


Mayans, shark, ramp

Second: No one can tell me that Perry Mason was written by Erle Stanley Gardner?

Posted by: fluffy calls bullshit at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (3SvjA)

201 "I'll you what I believe- I believe the Sun heats the Earth, dumbass. What does YOUR media religion believe?"

Posted by: t-bird at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (FcR7P)

202 GQ: How old do you think the Earth is?

Correct answer:

"I don't know precisely, but I can tell you with some precision that the USA is $16,000,000,000,000 old, which is about $1,000 for every year of the universe's age since the big bang."

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (JOVHJ)

203
We were all in love with Christie when he would go snark on some stupid question from an audience member.

Snark worked pretty well for Romney, didn't it.

Posted by: i am mad as hell - period at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (cgxNI)

204 "From now on, any time a GQ "reporter" wants to know how old a Republican thinks the earth is or Rachel Maddow wants to know what a Republicans' opinion"

This is one of the things Romney did right. He totally refused to appear on Letterman.

"Fuck you. That was your last question. You'll never get another one. Next!"

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (pkkxZ)

205 125, The New McCarthyism.

[/br]
Yep, and it will get much worse. I look forward to when the "progressives"start going after the church's that refuse to marry homosexuals. Its gonna happen.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (ir4lD)

206 His answer was good but there's no need to get into any detail with these gotcha questions. When they ask, how old is the earth? Fire back, how big is the deficit? How high is the unemployment rate? How much of a mess has Obozo and the Dems made of the country? No need to explain anything to these assholes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (1Jaio)

207 Rubio Hides True Beliefs: Hedges On Questions About Religious Extremist Views

Posted by: MSM Headline at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (EZl54)

208 * Just for disclosure, I'm actually not a believer. I'm just a little
annoyed at those of the nonbelievers who have Things All Figured Out and
are as intolerant as a pilgrimage of Aztecs.

Oh they are totally tolerant of religious views so long as the overarching philosophy doesn't lead to a rejection of statist authoritarianism and therefore derail their ability to shove their views down your throat as force of law. As a matter of fact, they yearn for a religion that would allow them to not only do just that, but claim that doing just that is a good and necessary deed required by god. My fear is I think they've found their dancing partner. They care not which faith they espouse nor which group has to be sacrificed or diminished into a subhuman, so long as they get their ends of control.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (0q2P7)

209 #153 It kinda sucks that every non-fundamentalist Republican now has to study the fundamentalist playbook so they know what the crazy ideas are that they have to stay away from. Just one "wrong" answer on a question like this from Rubio, and he's done for 2016. And don't think the media jackals don't know that. And Dems have legions of young interns doing oppo reserach all the time on every church bulletin and website and blog comment section in the country, looking for crap like this to throw at our candidates in the next election.

Say what you want about Chris Christie, but I have a feeling that if he is ever asked any questions like this he will say "that's a stupid question," which in fact, he has done already in local press conferences. He simply won't allow an interview or press conference to go off topic, and he assumes all press are hostile.

Posted by: rockmom at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (NYnoe)

210 >>It must be a little bit older than the Elephants the Earth sits upon... so if we ask them....

Wait - I thought it was turtles all the way down?

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (aClC5)

211 I like labeling the Environmentalists the Taliban wing of the Democrats.

The Left's conflation of global warming as "science" on par with evolution is stupid to the point of being offensive.

It's highly limited (no clouds - clouds are hard!) computer models with hidden variables the "researcher" tweaks to get the prediction he desires.

The models, data, code, and hidden variables are not even public.

Some left-wing tenured eco-priest says his magic software says the earth is doomed unless we do what he tells us. Oh, but he can't show us the data, the code, or anything. That's protected, personal information. But he swearsies he's just relating what the "science" says.

"Science" says give me tenure, summers off, and a fat pension, bitch.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (ZPrif)

212 I once had a teacher who when asked about the "fact/value distinction" commented "You do realize that 2+2=4 puts a pretty hefty value on a base 10 mathematical system."

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (5BEp7)

213
They like to leave out the, '...we think.'.

yeah, but Ace thinks we're asking too much for science to be, you know, precise and verifiable.



Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (v8xyR)

214 From that brainless broad at State.

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Uhhhh.... youre gonna hafta narrow that down a bit.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (nELVU)

215 Why does the one asshammer from MN never have to explain his faith in the Jihadi Jim cult?

Ellison or something....?

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It's a little worse than that with Keith Ellison, IIRC.

I'm pretty sure the Powerline Blog guys had evidence showing him as a former member of the Nation Of Islam known as Keith X for a long time.

And for those in the cheap seats, "Black Muslim" =/= "Muslim".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (e0xKF)

216 Rubio's answer is illustrative as far as how meh he is on the whole idea. He knows there's some sort of unpopular idea about how old the earth is. He hasn't actually heard about it in church but he hedges his bets in case he missed something.

I've never once heard a discussion over how old the earth is. Maybe we're too progressive where I came from but it's not relevant to the progress to the New Testament.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (QxSug)

217 There's a reason why double standards are created and leveraged within any competition: To give one side an unfair advantage.

The smart thing to do is not play such a game. Which is why I fear the GOP being anywhere near the playing field.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (zpqa2)

218 Couldn't tell you, I wasn't around then. Ask Nancy Pelosi

Posted by: Rubio at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (2t6Gz)

219 leave US out of this !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: the "tolerant" Aztecs ( wink wink nudge nudge ) at November 19, 2012 04:39 PM (Dll6b)

220 From that brainless broad at State.

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Uhhhh.... youre gonna hafta narrow that down a bit.

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I think they mean the one whose blood type is Absolut and who loves spending time face-down on the Huma-dor.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 04:39 PM (e0xKF)

221

The fact that the human intelligence gene mutation they just discovered arose suddenly, and "fully formed" as it were, is a very strange phenomenon. Pretty interesting from teh theological point of view on directed evolution.

Well, the militant secularists finally have their country. They get to ask their malicious little questions. Let's see how long they can keep this well-armed nation from degenerating into chaos.

Posted by: imp at November 19, 2012 04:39 PM (UaxA0)

222 Or he could have gone completely sarcastic, and said something like, "31 years, four months, 22 days." To the inevitable confusion, he could then say, "Serious questions get serious answers."

Posted by: Farmer Joe at November 19, 2012 04:39 PM (Od5/V)

223 No, the correct answer to the question is to end the interview and tell the asshole to fuck himself.

The question has no relevance to public policy and Rubio should not have allowed himself to be baited into answering it.

If he wanted to be nice, he could have just said "Next question".

Posted by: deadrody at November 19, 2012 04:40 PM (DkAJe)

224 A better response. "Do you actually believe Obama's second term economic plan of hiring a 100,000 math and science teachers? If so, where, when, who?"

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:40 PM (QxSug)

225 19
Who was a better hitter Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle?


Joe DiMaggio. Marylin Monroe. << He hit that.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 19, 2012 04:40 PM (f47Sx)

226 "Do you actually believe Obama's statement on Benghazi?"

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:40 PM (QxSug)

227 As a professional geologist all I can say is that I'd believe the earth is 6000 years old easier than I'd believe that destroying businesses and wealth will ever create a prosperous nation

Posted by: TexasJew at November 19, 2012 04:40 PM (trh5+)

228 Let's see how long they can keep this well-armed nation from degenerating into chaos.

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When the end comes, it'll come suddenly.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 04:40 PM (e0xKF)

229 183 Soona,

Amen it is charming that a non-believer tells me what I believe constantly but I am not to question anything about his behavior lest I be "intolerant."

I believe in Evolution, I believe in God.

*psst so did Darwin*

Lapses of Faith and renunciation then bewilderment are not formal renunciation, further you can resume once renounced...we're not like that other faith.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:40 PM (LRFds)

230 "Science" says give me tenure, summers off, and a fat pension, bitch.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (ZPrif)

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Werd.
Science the discipline is a noble expression of intellect and discovery.
Scince the institution is just as corrupt, self serving and subject to abuse as is politics.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (nELVU)

231 It's turtles, all the way down...

Posted by: Because somebody always has to post this at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (J7sV0)

232 GQ: How old do you think the Earth is?

Fritz: Hey, how about that Kate Upton cover? Or Rhianna? Do you think you could show a little more ladyparts, next time?

Posted by: Fritz at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (mqdAz)

233 The Earth told me she was 18, I swear.

Posted by: Mars at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (4cRnj)

234 212 You do realize that 2+2=4 puts a pretty hefty value on a base 10 mathematical system.

No, it's still good in octal or hexadecimal or any base > 4.

Posted by: zmdavid at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (ImdBx)

235 Why the hell is GQ asking a question like this? Shouldn't they be talking about shoes or something?

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (pLTLS)

236 Do you believe in shovel ready jobs? Do you believe that Obamacare will save money? Do you believe that wealth redistribution is good for the economy?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (1Jaio)

237 The problem isn't the answer (although I think he handled it well).....it's these effing dumb ass questions!

Posted by: Tami at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (X6akg)

238 "Do you actually believe that the country doesn't have enough roads and that this is why we've had an economic downturn in this country since Pelosi and Reid took over Congress?"

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:42 PM (QxSug)

239 Why even bother answering a question like that? It's simply meant to ridicule, and people have GOT to know better than to engage in these discussions on THEIR terms. The way he chose to answer it was pretty poor...the 'I'm not a scientist' line sounds a lot like Obama's 'above my pay grade' remark. Talk generally about what your faith says (if that's what you're relying on for your answers) and move along, if you choose to answer.

Posted by: Chris at November 19, 2012 04:42 PM (gI9Bk)

240 >>Joe DiMaggio. Marylin Monroe. << He hit that.

I hit it, too!

Posted by: Arthur Miller at November 19, 2012 04:42 PM (eN+1P)

241 This is ultimately why Akin was so unelectable. It's one thing to say "I believe in God and his grace." It's another thing to start making up "science" (the body has ways to shut that down) to backwards-reason "scientific explanations" for your position. At that point the Believer becomes merely the Crank.
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:36 PM (LCRYB)

I had a conversation over the weekend with an old friend of mine who is very actively pro-life and well connected to some of the hardcore prolife groups and people. He told me they have been pushing this "raped women can't get pregnant" bullshit for YEARS, based on nothing. They have no evidence, they just know they need to construct something like this to justify their extreme position on no exceptions for abortion. They know some people are stupid enough to believe it. He knew this was a ticking time bomb that was going to blow up in the Partry's care one day.

Posted by: rockmom at November 19, 2012 04:42 PM (qE3AR)

242 A: Records from that era are sketchy.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (JOVHJ)

243 Here SMOD SMOD SMOD SMOD SMOD.

I appreciate the manatee-like calm. Was busying looking up Perry Mason.

Posted by: fluffy at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (3SvjA)

244 Not surprising for 2 reasons:

1. Mens' magazines, especially ones geared toward fashion, are disproportionately staffed by homosexuals, and cater to a male audience that is disproportionately homosexual.

2. Upper middle class urban homosexual men are disproportionately leftist proggy moonbats.

Posted by: Phinn at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (oFH2D)

245 And yet, both militant Atheists and The Angry Gay always insist on
living within the communities of Christians, especially the more
fundamental ones, if we believe the census. Bizarre


The census doesn't distinguish between the militant Atheists and the mellow ones. Mellow atheists realize that, if your neighbor has to have a faith, the Christian one is not a bad one.

If you're going to read the Bible over-literally, creationists have picked the least disruptive part.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (4+LTj)

246 I believe the earth was created in seven God days.Now I don't know how long God's day is butdivide the age of the earth by seven and you got your answer.

Posted by: polynikes at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (m2CN7)

247 "I hit it, too!"

Me, too!

Posted by: JFK at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (pkkxZ)

248 >>>start making up "science" (the body has ways to shut that down) to
backwards-reason "scientific explanations" for your position.

Yeah that was all kinds of Effed up. You would think he would have had a better sit and think on that topic. Two things glaringly stand out. One that it was straight out wrong. The second was, that even if correct, even if what Akin was saying was actually true and the magic uterus did exist. The woman who is raped and becomes pregnant deserves a better answer than "Your type of case is rare so we didn't consider it to exist when we made the rules"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (0q2P7)

249 yeah, well, what about incest. I'm pretty sure people can get pregnant that way.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (QxSug)

250 I look forward to when the "progressives"start going after the church's that refuse to marry homosexuals. Its gonna happen.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 19, 2012 04:37 PM (ir4lD)

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Of course it will. That's the end game. To destroy the churches. Progressive Commandment Number One: Thou shalt have no other god besides us.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (P6QsQ)

251 What about the important questions like --- Is UConn headed to the ACC to replace Maryland? Will the SEC steal any ACC teams?

When will the superconference madness end?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:44 PM (ZPrif)

252 These questions are asked only in America, as far as I know. I don't think that's mainly because there are more fundamentalists in America, I think it's because the liberal mass media in America has gotten hold of the age of the Earth as a cheap shot it likes, and one that doesn't require the attacker to have any brains or much knowledge.

You know when you ask that question it's not going to be turned around against you, because it's been field-tested by many "reporters" who've asked it before, trying to gin up the same non-story "story".

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 19, 2012 04:44 PM (Pi/la)

253 The point of asking this question is to try to make a Republican look bad, somehow. If he comes out and says well you know it is exactly 4.7B years old (which requires every bit as much faith in something as saying exactly 5200 years, but I digress) then he's going to put off the fundamentalist Christians, and if he says 5200 years then he's going to put off all the "science" guys. And I put "science" in scare quotes not because I do not believe in science, I am an engineer I sure the hell do, but science as the ultimate answer to questions of origin is not possible at this point. If you read the latest comoslogy science, it really isn't all that far from "Let there be light." Because there was nothing, then there was something. There aren't that many degrees of separation.

Still, the point is, they were hoping to put Rubio on record as saying something they could use against him, he avoided it. Of course, they can still just make shit up later (like people said that Sarah Palin thought dinosaurs were 3500 years old, something that was simply made up out of whole cloth) but at least he can point to something in print in one of "their" publications that says, hey, look, I never said that.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 19, 2012 04:44 PM (/1U3u)

254 Do you believe that Barry was going to heal the planet and lower the oceans?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 19, 2012 04:44 PM (1Jaio)

255 People are down on Christianity because it harshes their mellow, what with all it's do this don't do that and judging stuff.

I, on the other hand, would rather be ruled by politicians that at least suspect that they will eventually be judged on their acts, as opposed to those who don't.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 04:44 PM (QupBk)

256 "Me, too!"

And me.

Posted by: RFK at November 19, 2012 04:44 PM (pkkxZ)

257 'natural selection' has its bumps in the road.....






Posted by: that white humpback whale off Norway at November 19, 2012 04:45 PM (Dll6b)

258 Science isn't an answer, it's a methodology or mode of thought. The date of the Big Bang was revised by several billion years recently.


---------------------------------------------------


The changes are becoming even bigger than that. More and more astrophysicists are starting to move from the "Big Bang" to the "Membrane Theory". So much for the non-believers who mocked Christians because their faith didn't believe in the Big Bang.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2012 04:45 PM (whJ33)

259 >>Me, too!

I'd be willing to bet that the coroner hit it once or twice, too.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2012 04:45 PM (eN+1P)

260 "I don't know precisely, but I can tell you with some precision that the USA is $16,000,000,000,000 old, which is about $1,000 for every year of the universe's age since the big bang."

Oh shit, we can pay that off in ONE years time.

A cosmic year that is.


// 200 million years = Cosmic year, or the amount of time it takes our little solar system to revolve around the Milky Way

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 19, 2012 04:45 PM (feFL6)

261 Will the SEC steal any ACC teams?

The lifeboat is full, sorry.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 04:45 PM (QupBk)

262 " I'm pretty sure people can get pregnant that way."

We made a point of it, for thousands of years.

Posted by: The Egyptians at November 19, 2012 04:46 PM (pkkxZ)

263 If it's not a legitimate Big Bang the universe has ways of shutting it down.

Posted by: Cosmological Akin at November 19, 2012 04:46 PM (xAtAj)

264 ::::Yes but the left is a lost cause. I'm not talking about not alienating the left. They come with factory-installed hatred. I'm talking about not alienating people who agree with you 80% but don't want to hear things like "I get my science from the Bible." ::::

The subset of Christianity that actually states things like this is insignificantly small. And yet, it's a useful tool for leftists and the fucking DrewM's of the world to paint the religious as backwards, mouth-breathing Godbag sister-humpers whose every utterance can be dismissed out of hand.

Because men didn't ride dinosaurs like Sarah Palin claims, see?

Therefore, since your beliefs on Origin are rooted in tobacco-chawin' chucklenuttery, then ALL your beliefs are equally stupid.

Thus do the DrewMs of the world preserve their fragile self___ as intellectually superior.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 19, 2012 04:46 PM (BushJ)

265 185
"Not all Christians believe in the literal 7 day creation"


In fact 7 day literalists are a distinct minority. Take out the
Catholics, and the Presbyterians, and the Anglicans/Episcopalians, and
the Methodists, and the mainstream Lutherans.... as far as major
denominations go, only the Southern Baptists and a subset of the
Lutherans (LCMS) still believe in the 7 literal day thing.



The Mormons are noncommital on the issue.




Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:35 PM (pkkxZ)

Eh, lifelong Southern Baptist here, and I haven't heard anything about a literal 7 days in a long time. I can't speak for every church, but the Baptist Faith and Message (the statement of faith, as it were, for the convention) has precious little to say about the age of the earth, or the timeline of creation. I have some Presbyterian friends that are Young Earth-types, but the more I've listened to philosophers such as William Lane Craig, the more I've leaned toward a Big Bang cosmology.None of which, coincidentally, has anything to do with the current unemployment rate.

Posted by: Joseph_MSU at November 19, 2012 04:46 PM (Vm9OZ)

266 #237 Just wait until they start asking Rubio whether he believes the communion wafer is the true body of Christ, and the wine the true blood. Of course, nobody ever asked Joe Biden these questions.

All those who want Bobby Jindal in 2016, he participated in an exorcism many years ago. Just wait until that gets the Washington Post treatment.

Posted by: rockmom at November 19, 2012 04:46 PM (aBlZ1)

267 Too nice. The proper response to somebody trying to make you look dumb is to make him look dumb.

"What does this have to do with my work in the Senate? Whats your next question about? Recipes?"

Stopbeing niceto these people. Mock and deride them!

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 19, 2012 04:46 PM (BpFmk)

268 260 SC,

indeed....they like to talk about everything but what matters.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:46 PM (LRFds)

269 259
>>Me, too!



I'd be willing to bet that the coroner hit it once or twice, too.


Ewwwww. Wait.................

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 19, 2012 04:47 PM (f47Sx)

270 Again, more people are interested in this question than, I would guess, intricacies of Christian political thought. So answers like this are broadly alienating.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:22 PM (LCRYB)

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No, actually, they aren't. And liberals aren't even really interested in the answer, they're interested in 1) hoping to make Republicans look like idiots by answering it, or failing that , 2) start a nice little intra squad war among Republicans over the question.

The question IS NOT RELEVANT to anything. And as Drew said, we should be taking our cues from Newt on how to belittle and attack assholes in the media for asking such retarded questions.

Posted by: deadrody at November 19, 2012 04:47 PM (DkAJe)

271 >>>Non-believers want to do what they want without any consequences.

I don't even know what the hell this means.

Well, yes I do. There are some people who believe God has created Consequences to enforce his Code. I suppose that's not such a large assumption.

But then they take this one step forward to decide that they themselves -- humans-- shall help keep these consequences in place. Like with Gardasil. Gardasil stops the HPV virus which causes cancer, but God wants HPV as part of the "consequences" for deviation from his code, ergo anyone who is anti-cancer and would like there to be one less disease in the world is ungodly or at least acting contrary to God's plan.

I don't mind God's consequences but I sure as hell don't want people trying to "help" God by making more consequences than are necessary.

This discussion is always had, always, about Sex.

The sexual revolution is not going away. That ship has sailed. I don't mind talk of consequences but stop saying things like "You just want to do what you want without consequences." OF COURSE i should like as few consequences for any action I take; what, I want to get cancer for having a cigarette? No, I don't. Is that a likely consequence? Of course. But I don't want people making *political decisions* to outlaw cancer cures just to make sure this particular consequence stays on the books.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:47 PM (LCRYB)

272 they just know they need to construct something like this to justify their extreme position on no exceptions for abortion.

No, we don't 'need' that argument for our 'extreme' position.

The argument is simple - you can't punish a child for the actions of its parents. If you believe life begins at conception you believe murdering a child is okay if abortion after a rape is alright.

That's it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 19, 2012 04:47 PM (DRG6e)

273 Royal smackdown
http://scoamf.us/3N

VICTORIA NULAND, STATE DEPARTMENT: We are working hard with the parties that are working hard with...

LEE: Has it occurred to anybody that maybe being less quiet might get more results? Hrm? The squeaky wheel gets grease, that kind of thing?

NULAND: I'll let the...

LEE: You're being silent while people are dying left and right.

NULAND: Matt, we are being far from silent. The President has...

LEE: You're not telling us anything about... when the Turks come out, when the leaders of Turkey come out and say that Israel is engaged in acts of terrorism and you refuse to say that you don't agree with that or maybe you do agree with that, that’s being silent.

Posted by: IBT at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (2t6Gz)

274 "Eh, lifelong Southern Baptist here, and I haven't heard anything about a literal 7 days in a long time. "

I was going by this:

http://www.pewforum.org/science-and-bioethics/religious-groups-views-on-evolution.aspx

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (pkkxZ)

275
Do they ever ask Democrats questions like that? How about asking Obama this one:

Do you really believe that two thousand years ago there was a Jewish carpenter who was the divine Son of G*d; was born to a virgin; performed miracles,including raising a man from the dead; that he was crucified, died, buried and was resurrected from the dead three days later? Do you really believe that after remaining a time after his resurrection he ascended bodily into heaven where he sits at the right hand of G*d?

Do you, Mr. President, do you really believe all THAT?



Posted by: Nicki at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (Xv7f/)

276 Roland 162, that rooster thing? That was a little sex joke. Didn't get it, did you.
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They did this with Christian images too.
Turnabout is fair play. For some reason, the Roman church had no problem converting local nature deities into saints as they took over the local religion -- something Mo.hammed did, but Mo.ses would not. Some more attractive aspects of Greek and Roman cults got rolled up into the "character of Christ." Constantine and his bishops did theological backflips to make sense of the notion.

Even protestants allow a lot of wannabe gods in as "traditional heroic figures" that are revered if not prayed to. But once they got to the new world, all those deals were off. The Indian and Pacific native gods were just plain evil.

Of course, there's the possibility that this is true. Those were some badass gods.

Posted by: comatus at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (qaVK+)

277 Hezbollah says Israel failed to achieve objectives in Gaza
Published: 11.19.12, 23:30 / Israel News



Lebanese Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said on Monday that Israel had failed to achieve its objectives in its campaign of air strikes and shelling in Gaza.

"The shelling is clearly and deliberately targeting civilians and killing women and children," he told supporters via a video screen in a speech to mark the Shiite Muslim holy day of Ashura. (Reuters)

While this is absurdly false, this is going to be the narrative if and when Israel gives into obama and the weak kneed West and does not invade and deliver a fatal stroke to Hamas. Deterrence does matter and Israel is losing it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (jE38p)

278 While I don't think this question is really relevant as far as the president goes, I don't like the economism in the answer. We can debate the GOP's social issues positions but wherever it comes down it still needs a broader vision of society than just "GDP growth under Obama sucks," true as it may be.

The Democrats have their vision -- total sexual freedom to the point where birth control is talked about by Nancy Pelosi as if it's the key component of Obamacare. We don't need to go "back to the '50s" but we do need a vision that counters that.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (60GaT)

279 264 EoJ,

Jeff my only problem is the attacks on the believers. If it is appropo nay a public service to assault the Fundi Xian beliefs when can I expect the press to go after the radical Madrassas in Dearbornistan or Toldeostan?

"exactly"

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (LRFds)

280 250, I've been saying for a while that homosexual marriage has nothing to do with marriage. Its an attack on the Christian church.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (ir4lD)

281 Oh shit, we can pay that off in ONE years time.

Can I put in on my ObamaStash™ card?

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (JOVHJ)

282 So much for the non-believers who mocked Christians because their faith didn't believe in the Big Bang.

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I dunno..... Big Bang sounds alot like "the world was void and without form" and then "let there be light".


I seem to remember ALOT of resistance to the BBT early on because the it was feared it would give support the creationists.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (nELVU)

283 So the right has a tiny slice that says stupid, easily-disproved things.

Yet the majority opinion on the Left is that racial discrimination is the worst thing ever, but Affirmative Action is a great thing. And AA isn't racial discrimination because, uh... it screws over white people?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (ZPrif)

284 Re*

You had me going there ace. I thought you 'came out of the closet' on you x-tianity.

Your words made it sound like you have the gospel down pat.


Posted by: Chain Mail at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (hVglt)

285 I've never once heard a discussion over how old the earth is.
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I'm an evangelical and I've never once heard a sermon addressing this issue. Not once. About twenty years ago, there was a guy in my church, a science teacher, who did a bible study series in his home about the whole thing, but that's about it.



People think lots of goofy stuff about evangelicals, about 90% of it having very little basis in fact.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 04:49 PM (P6QsQ)

286 BTW, nobody is actually interested in EITHER question.

Posted by: deadrody at November 19, 2012 04:49 PM (DkAJe)

287 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 19, 2012 04:38 PM (5BEp7)

Yep..... Because any true Geek knows that 1 + 1 = 10! Because binary rules!

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 19, 2012 04:49 PM (lZBBB)

288 ...well connected to some of the hardcore
prolife groups and people. He told me they have been pushing this "raped
women can't get pregnant" bullshit for YEARS, based on nothing. They
have no evidence, they just know they need to construct something like
this to justify their extreme position on no exceptions for abortion.
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Not sure what constitutes a hard-core pro-life group, but the pro-lifers I follow were very upset with Akin's magical hoo-hah theory. Most of us who believe in the sanctity of human life rely on that principle, not made-up biology. That's why we were pissed off at Akin - because he undercut the strongest arguments for a pro-life position.

It is more rational and science-based to say that the union of a human egg and sperm creates a new, unique human life and that all human life is sacred, than it is to say that the product of rape is somehow less human than the child conceived out of love.

It's simply convenient for most people to ignore the reality, because the unborn have no voices.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 04:49 PM (5H6zj)

289 I was at this really cool modern non-denomination Church with a booming congregation. Starbucks, donuts, bagles, and high def viewing rooms. Wear your suit or sandals or anything in between. Really cool sermons that put things in modern day parlance with good message and good humor. I finally thought I had found a place where my beleifs could fit in. Then I read on the website that anything other than a 7 day creation literal interpreation was blasphemous. No eras, no eons, nothing other than literal 7 days. Too bad. I really liked the place.

Posted by: California Red at November 19, 2012 04:49 PM (icSBv)

290 #252 But the question was the age of the UNIVERSE, not the age of the Earth. I have no freaking idea what the latest science is about the age of the universe. Do you? Did that reporter? I doubt it. So why ask the question?

Posted by: rockmom at November 19, 2012 04:49 PM (aBlZ1)

291 My bad, I misread the orignal quote. Please disregard my last post.

Posted by: rockmom at November 19, 2012 04:49 PM (aBlZ1)

292 "Like with Gardasil. Gardasil stops the HPV virus which causes cancer, but God wants HPV"

People used to say the same thing about smallpox and bubonic plague. For reals.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:49 PM (pkkxZ)

293 278 JDP,

they are trying to shut down any cries of excess or restraint by painting via caricature.

If the non believing GOP would like to have a schism over soical issues of which I am NOT a Crusader I'll be happy to have that split....

not as though we have much shot of stopping the political death of the capitalists in this nation anyway.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:50 PM (LRFds)

294 I'm a pro-life Christian, but I see a real difference between abortion in general and rape/incest.

In those cases the woman has done nothing to cause a pregnancy and her rights are in direct conflict with the fetus'. At some point we have to make a personhood-rights distinction, and I think it's there.

In every other case the woman was one of the agents causing the pregnancy, so she has forfeited those rights to complete control over her body.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 04:50 PM (xAtAj)

295 Of course it will. That's the end game. To destroy the churches. Progressive Commandment Number One: Thou shalt have no other god besides us.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 04:43 PM (P6QsQ)


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And I pray and hope that it'll be at that point that the rest of the God-believing America will wake up and draw that line in the sand. The Catholics have already had their wake-up moment. I don't know if the non-believers will ever wake up enough to actually stand against the tyranny that will only increase.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2012 04:50 PM (whJ33)

296 *legally speaking. I would never advise an abortion except in life of mother.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 04:50 PM (xAtAj)

297
Is Ace suggesting that we non-scientists types should just accept whatever the scientists tell us at face value because...science?

I don't understand why we cannot be skeptical. Maybe not skeptical for purely religious reasons, okay. And automatically dismissing all science on religious reasons is unreasonable, sure.

But what about just our instincts, that little voice in our head, or even our humility that tells us something is a load of bull?

I mean explaining how the Universe was created. That is, what's the word, major league hubris. And it's something that can never ever be proven or duplicated in an experiment.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 04:50 PM (v8xyR)

298 His answer was good but there's no need to get into any detail with these gotcha questions. When they ask, how old is the earth? Fire back, how big is the deficit?

Or, how old is the earth? “The age of the earth? Less than the national debt.”

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (QF8uk)

299 I would answer, "science says a few billion years, next question".

Posted by: KG at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (p7BzH)

300 If they had made dinosaurs out of fine Corinthian leather, they'd have been fun to ride

Posted by: TexasJew at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (trh5+)

301 It's ironic that it never occurs to the brilliant leftists asking this question the whole concept of a "literal vs. figurative" viewpoint. (that I have ever seen)

Their little heads would probably splode.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (zpqa2)

302 261 Will the SEC steal any ACC teams?

The lifeboat is full, sorry.

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The SEC isn't actively expanding right now, but could be interested in a few ACC teams if the shit hits the fan thanks to Maryland.

I figure that Virginia Tech and NC State would probably have the tires kicked, as that adds two new markets, fertile recruiting grounds, and Tech's a consistently good program.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (e0xKF)

303 Speaking of the universe. I watched Contact the other night. Kind of a let down. It was dedicated to Carl Sagan, my he be burning in peace.

Posted by: Chain Mail at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (hVglt)

304 Too nice. The proper response to somebody trying to make you look dumb is to make him look dumb.



"What does this have to do with my work in the Senate? Whats your next question about? Recipes?"


I'm not sure it would've been possible to mock him considering that the GQ "reporter" also asked Rubio about his favorite rap songs.

In fact, I'm surprised that there wasn't a question about recipes

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (SY2Kh)

305 "I dunno..... Big Bang sounds alot like "the world was void and without form" and then "let there be light".

As noted above, the BBT was in fact developed by a Catholic priest/astrophysicist.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (pkkxZ)

306 STATE DEPT READY TO END DIPLOMATIC ISOLATION OF HAMAS

For the State Department to suddenly end diplomatic isolation of Hamas thanks to aggressive attacks on Israeli civilians is disgusting. The whole purpose of diplomatic isolation is to discourage such attacks and connections – especially with Egypt, which has been funneling ordinance into the Gaza Strip for months. Now, though, the State Department is backing down from a confrontation with Egypt, pretending that Egypt is a moderating force.
The State Department, though, is simultaneously pretending that by allowing talks with Hamas, they aren't negotiating with Hamas. Seriously. Here's more of the exchange:
QUESTION: Okay. Through the mediation with your good friends the Qataris, the Egyptians, and the Turks, Hamas moderates tremendously and gives up on rockets and so on. Will that be, like, an opening for direct contact with Hamas, with the United States?
MS. NULAND: With our direct contact with Hamas?
QUESTION: Yes, ma’am.
MS. NULAND: You know what our conditions for contact with Hamas have been. They have not changed; they will not change in this circumstance. They need to recognize Israel’s right to exist. They need to renounce violence and take those other measures that we’ve always called for.
Unless, of course, they fire more rockets on Israel. In that case, anybody can visit them. That's what gives them a seat at the table. What a set of perverse incentives.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (jE38p)

307 Pilgrimage of Aztecs would make an interesting name for a tribute band.

And Art Laffer was on Cavuto a bit ago. He was an absolute ray of sunshine re the fiscal cliff.

We're doomed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (UOM48)

308 278 While I don't think this question is really relevant as far as the president goes, I don't like the economism in the answer. We can debate the GOP's social issues positions but wherever it comes down it still needs a broader vision of society than just "GDP growth under Obama sucks," true as it may be.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 04:48 PM (60GaT)

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Well, true to a point. But really, that line was nothing more than a weak attempt to beat back against the relevance of the question. If that was his initial reaction to the question (which it should) then he should have gone with that approach entirely.

Posted by: deadrody at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (DkAJe)

309 I'm a pro-life Christian, but I see a real difference between abortion in general and rape/incest.

In those cases the woman has done nothing to cause a pregnancy and her rights are in direct conflict with the fetus'. At some point we have to make a personhood-rights distinction, and I think it's there.
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What if she's lying about being raped?

Posted by: IBT at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (2t6Gz)

310 295 Soona,

The Catholics did not "wake up" friend.

They went D...

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (LRFds)

311 But what are his opinions on lady parts?

That is important!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - counting down... at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (hLRSq)

312 If you believe life begins at conception you believe murdering a child is okay if abortion after a rape is alright.


Should a druggie/boozer mother be prosecuted for murder if a premie dies or they miscarry? That's where that conversation logically concludes.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (JOVHJ)

313 Do you really believe that the ad rates you charge are "fair"?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (1Jaio)

314 Science says 4.6 billion for the earth

Posted by: TexasJew at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (trh5+)

315 I did go to a science exhibition at Liberty University (Jerry Falwell U) and they had an exhibit and the question was what happened to the dinosaurs and the answer was --- they couldn't fit on Noah's ark.

They had dioramas and everything and it was pretty clear, the dinosaurs were too big.

So this kind of silliness is a real thing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:53 PM (ZPrif)

316 289

sounds pretty goofy

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 04:53 PM (60GaT)

317 While a vast majority of Americans side with Israel in their current conflict with Hamas, only 41% of Democrats do, according to a new CNN poll today. That poll shows that 57% of Americans believe Israel is right to take military action against Hamas in Gaza; 59% of Americans are more sympathetic to the Israelis than the Palestinians.
Where the survey begins to get interesting, though, is in the political breakdown. While 77% of conservatives say they favor the Israelis over the Palestinians, and just 6% (led by Pat Buchanan, no doubt) favor the Palestinians, a full 27% of liberals say they support the Palestinians, with just 37% supporting Israel. Among Republicans, 80% support Israel over the Palestinians; just 51% of Democrats do.
Those numbers get even more shocking: only 41% of Democrats say that Israel is justified in its action against Gaza, with 36% against, and 23% having no opinion. A full 74% of Republicans say that Israel is justified.
The right stands with Israel. The left does not, even when Israel merely responds to rockets raining down on its cities. The dichotomy is becoming that simple.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2012 04:53 PM (jE38p)

318 306 NGU,

He's going to put every terrorist group but Euro Nazis on most favored nation status and put the GOP on a terror list.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:53 PM (LRFds)

319 What if she's lying about being raped?

Posted by: IBT at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (2t6Gz)

We can't stop all evil. She will have had to file a rape report, under the normal threats of perjury.
Again I'm only speaking legally.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 04:53 PM (xAtAj)

320 Non-believers want to do what they want without any consequences.

Sign me up!

Longer version: Who the fuck has the rightful power to impose consequences on me?

For committing crimes that actually hurt people and break their stuff? Sure.

But beyond that, who exactly is going to be imposing these consequences?

Posted by: Phinn at November 19, 2012 04:53 PM (oFH2D)

321 I think a more pertinent question is -
"When was the last time you listened to the first four Joe Jackson albums?"

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2012 04:54 PM (eN+1P)

322 In those cases the woman has done nothing to cause a pregnancy and her rights are in direct conflict with the fetus'. At some point we have to make a personhood-rights distinction, and I think it's there.

But it isn't a life-for-life distinction. I'm not going to say it doesn't suck to go through, but one person has to die while another person has to go through a rough nine months.

It's a shitty situation, but justice should be visited on the perpetrator, not the child.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 19, 2012 04:54 PM (DRG6e)

323 >>In those cases the woman has done nothing to cause a pregnancy and her rights are in direct conflict with the fetus'.

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I guess the question becomes whether or not the mother has the right to use lethal force to 'evict' the child, who also was not there out of his or her choice?

I realize this is a difficult question for many people, but I guess I side with Reagan: “If there’s even a question about when human life begins, isn’t it our duty to err on the side of life?”

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 04:54 PM (5H6zj)

324
The correct answer to the question is just under 40 years old. That's when I was born. The rest of you, and everything in the world, are all figments of my imagination.
And on the subject of Aztecs...
A long time ago, I played Age of Empires III. The single player campaigns were, in a word, silly, and featured, among other things, a Russian army marching from Alaska through the modern-day Continental United States in the middle of winter to attack the Thirteen Colonies. As I recall, I gave stopped playing about halfway through the third and final act, and never did finish the game. But what really made me facepalm in anti-PC exasperation was the first act, in which a Knight of Malta ends up (among MANY other things...) helping to save Aztec and other Meso-American temples from the eeeeevil Spanish Conquistadors. That's when I looked at my monitor, shook my fist at the clueless game developers, and shrieked, "Don't you fools know what the natives were doing in those temples!?"
The only thing good about that game was decorating your home port, which was a feature (thankfully the only one) that kind of got carried over to Age of Empires Online.

Posted by: junior at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (UWFpX)

325 But beyond that, who exactly is going to be imposing these consequences?

The 47%?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (QF8uk)

326 To destroy the churches.

I luv ya Mama, but I can't buy that argument. If they wanted gay marriage to be church sanctioned, they'd create their own churches. It's not that tough, considering there are something like 5,000 iirc religions in the world.

It is, more then anything, about getting the state to recognize that 'marriage'. From there, any Green Bay Packer fan should know, it's a shirt sprint over the goal line into the promised land of government benefits.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (feFL6)

327
11:22 And the media was in the fields screwing their pooch and Obama appearedunto them from a blaming bush.
11:23 And lo, the bullshit that spewed from Obama's mouth was likened unto a fountain and the media savored it as manna from heaven.

Posted by: Book of Obama at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (7U848)

328 I'm not sure it would've been possible to mock him considering that the GQ "reporter" also asked Rubio about his favorite rap songs.
In fact, I'm surprised that there wasn't a question about recipes

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 19, 2012 04:51 PM (SY2Kh)


Yeah, Ionly just realized that it was GQ.Im not gonna advise on this stuff, cuzIm kinda old-fashion and scold politicians for going low-brow like this. Presidents and Senators have no business being in GQ, Rolling Stoneor on MTV or similarcrap like that.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (BpFmk)

329 Most rapists wearreal tight tighty whities thus the chancesthe victim can get pregant are very low. Its documented science.

Posted by: polynikes at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (m2CN7)

330 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 04:53 PM (ZPrif)

You just have to ask.... what about the SMALL dinosaurs? Like... Velociraptors? /smile

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (lZBBB)

331 320 Phinn,

and there we have it...I give you exhibit A) Nanny Bloomberg...

You are far more likely to have the Happiness Gestapo sent from the left than the right.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (LRFds)

332 256 "Me, too!"



And me."

Don't leave me out, baby. I hit that in a fourway with Lauren Bacall and Rita Heyworth!

Posted by: Frank Sinatra at November 19, 2012 04:56 PM (YpecZ)

333 >>>Your words made it sound like you have the gospel down pat.

as far as religions go I think it's a fine one. There are a lot of nonbelievers who hate Christianity because they reject Christianity, they despise it.

I never really was Christian enough to have to "repudiate it" or anything so dramatic. I just don't believe in any God.

But if I were inclined to search for a greater cause or motivating purpose I'd probably go for Christianity. As a story -- purely as a story; this is entirely an asthetic judgment -- I like the story.

But I don't believe there is any God. There have been ten thousand gods people have believed in throughout our ten thousand years of existence. I find it unlikely that in the last 2000 years or so, bang, we finally struck upon the right one. Apollo and Zeus and Baal Pteor and all those were made-up by a human need for explanations of earthly and astral phenomena, but THE LATEST GOD, well, that one we didn't make up ourselves. That one's real.

I just don't find this plausible. I find it much more likely that this is just humanity having that feeling that there is something Bigger out there and giving it the name "God." The feeling -- that there is something Bigger out there -- obviously exists. But what I find doubtful is that it's an accurate feeling.* Or else I think I'd have to give some credence to Thor and the Zoroaster and all the other many gods who came before.


* Actually I think it might be "accurate" but simply misdirected or misunderstood. There is obviously something real we could call The Eternal or The Awesome (awesome in its real meaning, not the surfer-speak meaning). I think many people call this "God." I would call it "The Profound Mystery of the Eternal." My distinction would be I don't think the Mystery has any answer. Like most mysteries, the journey is the thing.



Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:56 PM (LCRYB)

334 325
But beyond that, who exactly is going to be imposing these consequences?



The 47%?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 19, 2012 04:55 PM (QF8uk)
-------------------They can try.

Posted by: Phinn at November 19, 2012 04:56 PM (oFH2D)

335 In those cases the woman has done nothing to cause a pregnancy and her
rights are in direct conflict with the fetus'. At some point we have to
make a personhood-rights distinction, and I think it's there.


I make the argument that abortion is like a gun: it's all homicide, but there's a difference between murder and justifiable homicide.

With a gun, there's easily the concept of self-defense; so with abortion, I can see saving the life of the mother. If she doesn't abort, she's a hero, but I'm not going to make her carry through to term.

Incest and rape are the nasty ones -- you're creating another victim. Is the pain to the woman so great to warrant ending someone's life? (I mean, besides the rapist. I think our sentencing of rapists is out of whack, but that's a different question.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 04:56 PM (4+LTj)

336 Should a druggie/boozer mother be prosecuted for murder if a premie dies
or they miscarry? That's where that conversation logically concludes.
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I'm pretty sure some jurisdictions do tack on second 'murder' charges when someone kills/murders a pregnant mother.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 04:56 PM (5H6zj)

337 STATE DEPT READY TO END DIPLOMATIC ISOLATION OF HAMAS

We could achieve this by killing all of them.
Just putting that out there.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2012 04:56 PM (eN+1P)

338 I guess the question becomes whether or not the
mother has the right to use lethal force to 'evict' the child, who also
was not there out of his or her choice?

I realize this is a
difficult question for many people, but I guess I side with Reagan: “If
there’s even a question about when human life begins, isn’t it our duty
to err on the side of life?”





Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 04:54 PM (5H6zj)
Perfect world, sure. But we don't live in a perfect God-fearing world.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (xAtAj)

339 Well, yes I do. There are some people who believe God has created
Consequences to enforce his Code. I suppose that's not such a large
assumption.


Actually, no, you're completely wrong.

Christians believe that God is the source of all that is good. Indeed, he is Perfect. But the Perfect and the Imperfect cannot exist side-by-side.

Christians believe that, by the mercy and grace of Christ we can be made perfect ("justified") so that when this physical body dies, we can be created anew and live forever with God.

We believe that anyone who is not so justified will have "consequences" (though different sects have different definitions of exactly what those consequences are, we typically lump them all together as "going to Hell.").

Like with Gardasil. Gardasil stops the HPV virus which causes cancer,
but God wants HPV as part of the "consequences" for deviation from his
code, ergo anyone who is anti-cancer and would like there to be one less
disease in the world is ungodly or at least acting contrary to God's
plan.


A complete mischaracterization. Christians believe that fornication is wrong. We believe that anything that reduces the chances of real-world consequences makes it more likely that someone will indulge in things they shouldn't, and we want the ability to deny such things to our own children- as an added incentive not to do that. (Well, I say "we" I'm not 100% sure where I fall on the Gardisil debate specifically).

It's not about holding you accountable. It's about how we rear our own children. We don't want it not to be available. We want it not to be mandated.

As for worldy "consequences" we believe "the rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous." That is- the world just generally sucks. Our job is to make the world better in any way we can ("I desire mercy, not sacrifice"), and to do the best we can to live up to God's perfect standard ("Be perfect as He is perfect." also "For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.")

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (8y9MW)

340 Rooster jokes are racist!

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (I7O5y)

341 Should a druggie/boozer mother be prosecuted for murder if a premie dies or they miscarry? That's where that conversation logically concludes.

Good point. We definitely need to protect the rights of mothers to consume narcotics while pregnant.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (DRG6e)

342 The correct answer is "go fuck yourself" and lets talk about the economy and foreign policy.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (jE38p)

343 326 SC,

There's no other reason for them to have blown up the civil union deal in the '90s other than to assault the church.


end of story.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (LRFds)

344 Conservatives: This isn't a serious question and it does not deserve an honest answer. All politicans must lie sometimes. So either tell them what they want to hear ("couple of billion years") or what they deserve ("fuck you, interview over"). Just don't wear your heart on your sleeve with these people. Lie to them. Lie for revenge.

Posted by: El Gordo at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (Y2o9M)

345 166
Science talks out of its ass, sometimes, is my point.
Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 04:32 PM (v8xyR)

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No it doesn't. Not REAL science. What you're talking about is "pop science". Bullshit "scientific" studies that claim some minor correlation between number of cups of coffee drank and cancer means "hey, drink two cups of coffee, you'll live longer" - IS.NOT.SCIENCE.

And virtually anything funded by the government is probably not real science either. Like obesity. People studying "obesity" on the gov't dime don't want to "cure" obesity. Where would they get their money then ?

Real science that uses correlation, but also causation, postulated hypotheses and evidence does not "talk out of its ass".

Posted by: deadrody at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (DkAJe)

346 One reason this matters to people who aren't religious...religion is often a stand in for "shares my values" which is an important factor in political choices.

That's fine that religious folks want to see their values reflected in candidates but those of us who aren't also have a right to see our values reflected as well, "Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure
we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries" doesn't reflect the value I place upon knowledge vs. faith.

If you say "who cares what Rubio thinks" then I can throw that back at any candidate who has a faith based answer to a science question.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (Lv85W)

347 Rubio is Roman Catholic, but his family goes sometimes to a Southern Baptist church. I doubt he is a "young earther" but (and I am guessing) more reluctant to dis those who are.

Posted by: EBL at November 19, 2012 04:57 PM (IgakF)

348 Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And suck it bitches, it's topical.

Great interview with GQ, Rubio blew away the bullshit with his answers.

And Jim DeMint is his best friend. Boooooyyyyyyaaaaaaahhhhhhh. I am getting more and more excited morans, this is a guy WHO GETS IT.

And he doesn't have an elevator for his cars. Extra bonus.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 19, 2012 04:58 PM (tVTLU)

349 Speaking of totalitarian societies and their absolute need to squelch Christian communities of faith, our church's Christmas offering this year is going to an underground group of believers in China who needs to move from house to house to avoid detection by the government. Some of them have been discovered and jailed and their families are in need, but still they remain faithful to Christ. So we are sending them money on the sly to help keep them going. They lose their jobs there when detected too. It is a real hardship to be an evangelical Christian in China.




If it ever comes to that point here, I hope and pray I can conduct myself as honorably as do they.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 04:59 PM (P6QsQ)

350 Every reporter from now until the end of time is going to ask R candidates a "gotcha" question or two.

Why?

Because a high percentage of the time the R candidate gets got.

Blaming the reporter is silly. Stop nominating idiots. Rubio did fine. You might have preferred he tell the reporter to stuff it, but he obviously didn't. In that context, he did fine, and if you have a problem with his answer, that's your problem, not his.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2012 04:59 PM (TOk1P)

351 AllenG, I have seen people explicitly write that things like HPV (and HIV) are part of God's enforcement mechanism against sin, and that acting to thwart those are acting contrary to God's plan.

And I do get this vibe from most of these discussions. Whether it's pregnancy, premarital sex, etc., social conservatives are broadly in favor of keeping consequences active and real.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:59 PM (LCRYB)

352 I've been saying for a while that homosexual marriage has nothing to do with marriage. Its an attack on the Christian church.

It's an attack on marriage as well. Every time gay marriage starts to get victories, the left starts pushing out stories about how the rise of gay marriage means that we as a society have to rethink monogamy.
The ultimate goal is to destroy any social unit that could challenge the authority of the beauracrats.

Posted by: Alex at November 19, 2012 04:59 PM (3x3F6)

353
Soona @ 183-
Exactly. Christianity teaches personal responsibility, and personal accountability. The Left istroubled by the personal accountability partso they mock and belittle in the vain hope that " Hey, all these people agree with me, we can't allbe wrong".

I think Rubio's answers were good; except now they are part of his"permanent record", and will be sparsed down to the very letter.

And Ace: Your post, and the follow-up comments you have posted remind me of King Agrippa in Acts 26: 27-29; you seem almost persuaded to become a Christian. And, as Paul replied to him: I would to God that you were.

Posted by: DaveinNC at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (boNGU)

354
A few years ago there was a tv drama series produced in Canada called Regenesis

It is about a team of scientists who solves big scary shit with science in their science lab.

They did some really neat stuff. Used lots of science jargon and hypothesized their way out of many near-catastrophes in between mocking religion and Americans and President Bush. Very entertaining and thought-provoking television.

It was 75% bullcrap.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (v8xyR)

355 Should a druggie/boozer mother be prosecuted for murder if a premie dies
or they miscarry? That's where that conversation logically concludes.


Can you prove intent? Gross negligence?

Like I said, it's a form of homicide, but there's also "accidental homicide" and "negligent homicide", too.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (4+LTj)

356 Sixty-eight years old.

This Brit Lancaster bomber was shot down on D Day and just discovered in a French bog. Crew and plane were identified by the inscription on a wedding ring from the wedding eight months earlier.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/bmvlh7x

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (Hx5uv)

357 333 Ace,

I could see you embracing clockwork deism, I have a hard time reconciling the "active god" as anything more than chance and a slight guiding hand.

I reembraced the faith and have a duality of belief in God's hand on approach b/c of evil.

That's it. If I believed men could be moral sans faith I'd be a more pure deist.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (LRFds)

358 I'm more pissed about the Catholic Church's traitorous Seamless Garment Bullshit, to tell the truth.

What does it actually stand for illegal immigration and forced charity?

maybe that seamless garment was why they looked the other way (allegedly) at priestly misconduct.

It looks like the American Catholic Church turned its back from the Pope Paul the Great's anti-totalitarian work.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (QxSug)

359 As noted above, the BBT was in fact developed by a Catholic priest/astrophysicist.

Worth mentioning is that the current Pope has stated that he does not see that the BBT is inconsistent with God's plan. In other words, he's kinda humble and in effect says, "I just don't know''. Which is refreshing in this day and age of know-it-all's.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (feFL6)

360 Gay marriage being the law won't give them what they really want -- for society, and especially their parents and families, to look at their gay marriage with the same misty-eyed approval as normal marriage.

Which will never happen. They want their fathers not to be disappointed his son turned out to be gay. They want their mother not to have ever cried when she realized her boy won't ever fall in love with a nice girl, get married, and have some beautiful grandkids.

Parents want grandkids -- biological grandkids. And the fewer children they have the greater the disappointment when one turns out gay.

The gay thing will go away once we can detect the set of genes that tend to make people gay.

Gay will be like Downs Syndrome in 2040. Without much debate, the # of new gay babies born will decline quickly.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (ZPrif)

361 This question and others like it have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with pushing phony wedge issues. Rubio's answer shows he knows that, but we need a way to discourage the reporter from doing this in the future. An answer to the question that mocks the reporter as the unserious hack he is would be nice. It has to be funny, or else it will be spun as angry. Any ideas?

Posted by: zmdavid at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (ImdBx)

362 I'd like to have heard Obama quizzed about elementary scientific matters.

(Not that any questions of substance will EVER be asked of The Lightworker by the media.)

I strongly suspect that his understanding of modern science is about on a par with that of Al Gore, who said a couple of years ago that the Earth's crust below the surface is at a temperature of "millions of degrees", to wit, hotter than the corona of the Sun.

In fact, I would like all politicians at all levels to have basic questions about science, economics, history and law thrown at them at random during interviews, for the sake of illumination.

What is the difference between a watt and a volt? What is fractional reserve banking? What does the 11th Amendment to the Constitution stipulate? How many pages of regulations are in the Federal Register as of this year?

The results, you can be sure, would be dismaying. And not just for the Obama fans.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (ymG7s)

363 I don't want the ocean lowered. That would make high tide what used to be minus tide, and low tide like a dry lake. Think of the poor anenomes.

Posted by: wth at November 19, 2012 05:00 PM (wAQA5)

364 I will get to work on that answer just as soon as I'm finished determining how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Posted by: John the Libertarian at November 19, 2012 05:01 PM (X5Zkj)

365 But yeah this question about young earth stuff is simply a cleaving issue.

Nothing to be gained by insulting people who believe a literal historical Genesis account, and tons to lose by seeming loony to the secular voters.

He could simply just respond by telling him what Jesus is all about. Surprise: He's not about science.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 05:01 PM (xAtAj)

366 I love Rubio's answer because 1) instead of dividing the GOP into Catholic/Protestant /Fundy wings, he gives an answer that covers everything and more importantly

2) he has pretty much told the reporter that he is asking a stupid, bigoted question that has nothing to do with governing the country.

Posted by: Burke at November 19, 2012 05:01 PM (CrqI6)

367 I think Baal Pteor is actually from Conan. But there are several gods whose names began with "Baal" (which means "Lord"). I think they were Canaanite or from that basic area.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:01 PM (LCRYB)

368 The SEC isn't actively expanding right now, but could be interested in a few ACC teams if the shit hits the fan thanks to Maryland.

I don't see where there's room on a 12 game schedule unless the SEC divisions quit playing any teams from outside the conference, or from the other division, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a conference.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:02 PM (QupBk)

369 The Catholics did not "wake up" friend.They went D...
Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (LRFds)


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As far as parisheners go, yes. The hierarchy is standing strong, though. If they keep to their word, hell, who knows, I may consider becoming a Catholic. Besides, they have the best school-girl uniforms.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2012 05:02 PM (whJ33)

370 After about 400 posts, I think we can clearly name a thread winner:

233
The Earth told me she was 18, I swear.


Posted by: Mars at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (4cRnj)

Posted by: The Q at November 19, 2012 05:02 PM (YpecZ)

371 I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Ronster at November 19, 2012 05:02 PM (nQMHQ)

372
They're not dead yet:
Although Hostess' sales have been declining in recent years, the company still
does about $2.5 billion in business each year. Twinkies alone brought in $68
million so far this year.
Imagine that - consumers spent more money on Hostess' junk food than the presidential election. Too much money in politics!

Posted by: i am mad as hell - period at November 19, 2012 05:02 PM (cgxNI)

373 Republicans should respond to any stupid question by saying "Your Mom!" and leave it at that.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 19, 2012 05:02 PM (XvHmy)

374 >>>I could see you embracing clockwork deism, I have a hard time reconciling the "active god" as anything more than chance and a slight guiding hand.

to the extent I'd even possibly entertain religion it would be a soft christian type of deism.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:02 PM (LCRYB)

375 He shoulda answered "I don't know, how old is your momz?!? Oooh, snap!"


Posted by: Golan Globus at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (/1U3u)

376 366 I love Rubio's answer because 1) instead of dividing the GOP into Catholic/Protestant /Fundy wings, he gives an answer that covers everything and more importantly

2) he has pretty much told the reporter that he is asking a stupid, bigoted question that has nothing to do with governing the country.
Posted by: Burke at November 19, 2012 05:01 PM (CrqI6)

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You don't tell someone their question is stupid and bigoted (which it was) AND then answer it. Stupid, bigoted questions are ignored, not answered.

That's the problem. You cannot reward asshole-ish behavior by the media.

Posted by: deadrody at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (DkAJe)

377 But what are his opinions on lady parts?

Put me down as pro lady parts.

Posted by: fluffy at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (3SvjA)

378 I find it unlikely that in the last 2000 years or so, bang, we finally
struck upon the right one. Apollo and Zeus and Baal Pteor and all those
were made-up by a human need for explanations of earthly and astral
phenomena, but THE LATEST GOD, well, that one we didn't make up
ourselves. That one's real.




I begin to see the problem... You do realize that Judaism (from which Christianity came) dates back to at least as far as the Greeks, yes? Actually, it dates back to at least New Kingdom Egypt.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (8y9MW)

379 ::::I mean explaining how the Universe was created. That is, what's the word, major league hubris. And it's something that can never ever be proven or duplicated in an experiment. ::::

Oh, it gets even more retarded.

The human gestation period is 40 weeks, and yet "science" can't seem to put a figure on where life begins. Safer just to assume it's a clump of cells that can be Shop Vacced out up until the 40th week. Wouldn't want to inconvenience the mother.

On the other hand, the universe is exactly 15 billion years old. It was only 4 billion years old when I was in school but that probably has to do with the speed of light in a vacuum because FUCKING SCIENCE.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (BushJ)

380 346 -

Right. Because literalistbelievers are ruining your life... how, exactly?

You are an intolerant person. Trying to tell other people how to live their lives. Wouldn't you be more at home in the Democrat party?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (TOk1P)

381 I doubt he is a "young earther" but (and I am guessing) more reluctant to dis those who are.
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Would it really be considered a 'dis' for him to express his beliefs? Are we all so fragile now that we need to have this grey area set up wherein we are never confronted with the fact that others don't share our beliefs? I hope not.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (5H6zj)

382
deadrody, agw global warming, as an example of science originating from an anus?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (v8xyR)

383 369 Soona,

I am lapsed.

I suspect I'll die a baptist or unchurched.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (LRFds)

384 And here's the headline at The Hill:

Rubio: OK for parents to teach 'multiple theories' on Earth's age
Daniel Strauss
11/19/12 10:28 AM ET
The Florida senator is not sure if Earth was created by God in seven days or in "seven actual eras."…

Posted by: rockmom at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (aBlZ1)

385 thank you, I've been reading Raymond Chandler lately (for the tenth time not the first time).
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 04:10 PM (LCRYB)

Chandler's style sticks. So does James M. Cain's--at least before the booze ate him up.

Posted by: troyriser at November 19, 2012 05:04 PM (vtiE6)

386 What if she's lying about being raped?

Posted by: IBT at November 19, 2012 04:52 PM (2t6Gz)

We can't stop all evil. She will have had to file a rape report, under the normal threats of perjury.
Again I'm only speaking legally.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 04:53 PM (xAtAj)
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The reason I asked is because PA just tried to introduce a law whereby if you are on welfare and continue having kids, the new kids would not increase the welfare payment, with the exception of rape. The libs screamed that republicans were being cruel by asking them to provide a police report to prove it.

Posted by: IBT at November 19, 2012 05:04 PM (2t6Gz)

387
I begin to see the problem... You do realize
that Judaism (from which Christianity came) dates back to at least as
far as the Greeks, yes? Actually, it dates back to at least New Kingdom
Egypt.

Just sayin'.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (8y9MW)

He's kinda missing out on the whole prophesy of the fulfillment and freedom from the Law.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 05:04 PM (xAtAj)

388 The human history of Gods is far older than 10,000 years.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:05 PM (ZPrif)

389 But there are several gods whose names began with "Baal" (which means
"Lord"). I think they were Canaanite or from that basic area.


Phoenician-ish. The big one, of course, is "Ba'al Hammon" -- the sacrifice to whom gives us "Moloch" (or molk).

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:05 PM (4+LTj)

390 The reason I asked is because PA just tried to
introduce a law whereby if you are on welfare and continue having kids,
the new kids would not increase the welfare payment, with the exception
of rape. The libs screamed that republicans were being cruel by asking
them to provide a police report to prove it.

Posted by: IBT at November 19, 2012 05:04 PM (2t6Gz)
Well I'm clearly on your side here. You aren't supposed to keep violent felonies to yourself, sorry.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 05:05 PM (xAtAj)

391 374 Ace,

Inasmuch as we've known each other in "a sense" this decade Ace I know you embrace natural law and such.

How a man makes his peace with beginning and end that harms no other I have little book with.

If the notion of some order from somewhere centers you you should.

Anyway not converting you honest injun.

Be safe.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:05 PM (LRFds)

392 And btw, this goofy question was not the real place where Rubio shined, although his answer was great given the circumstances. He has to play the game and continue playing it, until there comes a time not to play the game. He is nowhere near that yet.

The best answer Rubio gave was when GQ tried to ambush him with the anonymous "Republican" that was pro gay marriage. Rubio turned that around BEAUTIFULLY. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, SOMEONE WITH THE FUCKING IQ TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
And yes, I know all caps was on.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 19, 2012 05:06 PM (tVTLU)

393 Who knows what Rubio was thinking. My impression was that he knew this was a gotcha and had some idea why but he couldn't put his finger on when the issue ever came up in church because it hadn't. So, he hemmed and hawed a little.

If you going to go Christian, you can accept science and math, because who's against that? Other things are acts of faith. How old's the earth or universe? What, is god keeping score of your answer? Is it a sin to say it's 50billion or 40 million years old? no. so who cares, it is what it is. God still created it, he put us here, we follow his rules.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 05:06 PM (QxSug)

394 >>>Chandler's style sticks. So does James M. Cain's--at least before the booze ate him up.

I was reading Chandler's criticism and I'm pretty sure Chandler tore Cain a new butthole (even though, what, he wrote the screenplay for Double Indemnity, right?).

Not saying it's a knock on Cain (I haven't read him). Chandler was incredibly snobby and snooty and dismissive of anyone except himself and Dashielle Hammet.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:06 PM (LCRYB)

395 "And here's the headline at The Hill"

And that is why "Fuck you, next question" is the only answer. Let them print that.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 05:07 PM (pkkxZ)

396 I'm sick to death of this shit. The purpose of the question is to make Rubio look like a rube. The meme is: Conservatives are anti-science.

What a load of crap. Evolution and geo theory are not the be-all and end-all of science, for cripes sake. Real science, going on in real labs with real scientists all over the world, never even takes theories like NS or old-earth into account. Don't believe me? Go read the papers.

You're going to tell me conservatives are opposed to medical research? Of course they aren't. But there is nothing in biological or microbiological research--nothing whatsoever--that has to to with the theories of Darwin or Lyell.

You're going to tell me conservatives are opposed to technology research? On what basis? Because they may doubt the old-earth narrative that has been used over and over again to embarrass Christians? What a load of crap.

And AGW? That's your fucking litmus test for who's "anti-science"? Michael Mann's phony hockey stick? Come on. Get real and get over yourself, libs.

Posted by: Cricket at November 19, 2012 05:07 PM (2ArJQ)

397 In that context, he did fine, and if you have a problem with his answer, that's your problem, not his.

My objection to it is that he drags in both Science as if that's an authoritative source (and one I guess he feels unqualified to opine on because he says he's not a scientist) and then pulls the 'it's unknowable' card. I just find it odd. He's a college-educated guy. Surely he has a vague idea about whether he thinks modern geology and astrophysics are full of shit or not.

That's why I think he should have just turned it back on the questioner and asked him why he asked.

Alternatively, pull out your iPhone and Google the scientifically accepted consensus.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 05:07 PM (5H6zj)

398 "Baal" (which means "Lord"). I think they were Canaanite or from that basic area.





Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:01 PM (LCRYB)

Yes. Ba'al was the Lord of lords in Canaanite religion, followed also by the Philistines, and mocked by the Israelites as Ba'al Zebub, which translated to Lord of the Flies, which meant the Philistine god was a dung heap.

Posted by: John the Libertarian at November 19, 2012 05:07 PM (X5Zkj)

399 I'm pro-life except in the cases of rape and health of the mother and only go as far as allowingit but not forcing others to pay for it,but I am sympathetic to the arguments of life in the cases of rape.One of my thoughts thoughare that we have milionsof miscarriages a year and even the no abortion exceptions people do not hold these miscarriagesthe sameas losing a child after a live birth. I don't think they want to believe that but by their actions or lack thereof regard to this common occurrence, support that conclusion.

Posted by: polynikes at November 19, 2012 05:07 PM (m2CN7)

400 Are we all so fragile now that we need to have this grey area set up
wherein we are never confronted with the fact that others don't share
our beliefs?

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Yes.


The answer to your question is, sadly, Yes.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 05:07 PM (P6QsQ)

401 the absence of evidence. If you know something for certain, you don't need faith.
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 19, 2012 04:31 PM (t06LC)

Have you ever seen an electron? How about a tacyon?

Posted by: Invictus at November 19, 2012 05:07 PM (OQpzc)

402 Are we all so fragile now that we need to have this grey area set up
wherein we are never confronted with the fact that others don't share
our beliefs?

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Yes.



The answer to your question is, sadly, Yes.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 05:07 PM (P6QsQ)

403 346 Drew M,

Less hell has been raised on behalf of young earthers than 'fair share as writ of law and purpose of state."

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (LRFds)

404 >>>The human history of Gods is far older than 10,000 years.

I honestly don't know how long humans have been around. I really need to read a book about it because I am sort of interested in the subject. I always guess either 10,000 years or 100,000.

I think 100,000 is closer to right but I don't know.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (LCRYB)

405 I think Baal Pteor is actually from Conan.

Ace using a Conan reference? Purely chance. No proof of a guiding hand whatsoever.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (QF8uk)

406 Who knows what Rubio was thinking. My impression
was that he knew this was a gotcha and had some idea why but he couldn't
put his finger on when the issue ever came up in church because it
hadn't. So, he hemmed and hawed a little.



Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 05:06 PM (QxSug)

This is also true. This "debate" simply never comes up in the churches I've attended. It's not really a theological issue unless you are claiming God couldn't do it in 7 days if he so desired.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (xAtAj)

407 What Rubio should have done was to pull every interview that GQ had with any Democratic Presidential aspirant. And every time they asked a gotcha question, ask why it was important for him to be asked that question and not the others.

But, then, the Stupid Party only takes my money and not my advise.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (kqqGm)

408 * Actually I think it might be "accurate" but simply misdirected or misunderstood. There is obviously something real we could call The Eternal or The Awesome (awesome in its real meaning, not the surfer-speak meaning). I think many people call this "God." I would call it "The Profound Mystery of the Eternal." My distinction would be I don't think the Mystery has any answer. Like most mysteries, the journey is the thing. :::::

LOL! You giant nerd!

You're saying "The Force" but you don't want to actually type the words!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (BushJ)

409 Politicians talk vaguely about religious doctrine for a reason -- if you don't you won't be a politician for long.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (ZPrif)

410 Because a high percentage of the time the R candidate gets got.

Not really. That's the perception because they NEVER ask the D candidate gotcha questions and when they do, the answers are hushed up.

With R's, not only do they need only one, but the entire Republican party has to answer for every crank, but Democrats are fully free to ignore theirs.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (xSegX)

411 My Theory... lets say an Omniscient, and Omnipotent, God wanted to give some information to a Goat Herder in the desert... about the nature of the Universe... which would then be passed on...

Would not that information have to be crouched in terms that Goat herder could understand? Terms which existed in his language? Concepts wich the Goat Herder could grasp???

So.... no Big Bang... but let there be Light..... not, the Earth formed from a gaseous cloud of matter due to these really cool Forces I put into play, but I created the earth...

Then the Goat herder writes it down.... and its COPIED for generations.... filtering through the conceptions and languages of THAT time... so others could understand the messege.... as best they could...

So eventualy, the messege is so misunderstood, that he tries again... and sends another enlightened being.... who teaches a bunch of people... who filter things through THEIR worldview and language... which then gets changed and modified for the next couple of generations, when an Empire pretty much picks and chooses what parts IT likes, and adds a bit.....

IMO there are bits and pieces.... and nuggets of Truth there... which is why I'd never try to force my Beliefs on anyone... and have no problems with anyones beliefs.... right up until they try to force THEIRS on me and mine (which is why I have a MAJOR problem with Islam).

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (lZBBB)

412 As a nonbeliever who has Things All Figured Out, I thought Akin had willed himself to be misinformed, a universal politicians' sin. And Mourdock seemed more conversant in rudimentary theology than Christians tend to be, because it's just not a serious religion anymore.

Neither of those is an ideal position to work from, of course, but what they said had little to do with what was said about what they said, so...whatever. The point was to add their names to The List, and once they were on there, nothing else mattered. We'll be hearing "Akin" used as an insult for the rest of our lives. Especially from Republicans.

Rubio, by contrast to those two guys, sounds *really* dumb and *really* scared. I ran "Rubio old earth" through the Googles, and it appears that the left/MSM are spinning Rubio's quote as the words of...a cowardly idiot. Once a year, they get something right.

But really, he put *himself* on The List by sounding like a stupid pussy, and his electoral career is over as of today.

But by all means, keep pushing him. Deadenders.

Posted by: oblig. at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (cePv8)

413 , I'm never asking people to drop their moral
beliefs. To insist a candidate not hold "creationist" beliefs or
they're disqualified truly is disgusting.

Posted by: McAdams at November 19, 2012 04:33 PM (7MC2X)

You are full of shit. You were doing exactly this a few threads back.

Posted by: GMan at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (UkbKS)

414 "Not everything is in your books, Steven"

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (QxSug)

415 Fuck it. We should all recant Christianity because GQ said so and join a less crazy religion. I'm going Norse.
The longships are being constructed for the sacking of long island, Thor's bringing the lightning, and our new motto is Let it Burn.

If you can't beat em' in the media, then rape and pillage them.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (t06LC)

416 On the other hand, the universe is exactly 15 billion years old. It was only 4 billion years old when I was in school but that probably has to do with the speed of light in a vacuum because FUCKING SCIENCE.

When I was in school, the human appendix had no function.

Posted by: fluffy at November 19, 2012 05:09 PM (3SvjA)

417
I think 100,000 is closer to right but I don't know.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (LCRYB)

Something like that. Homo Sapiens are quite new though.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 05:09 PM (xAtAj)

418 Razib at Gene Expression is great to read for keeping up to date with human evolution stuff. Plus he's a secular right-winger like yourself, ace.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:10 PM (ZPrif)

419 The gay thing will go away once we can detect the set of genes that tend to make people gay.

No it won't. What will happen is the gay community will do a 180 and declare that it's a lifestyle choice and how dare they be discriminated against for it.

Posted by: Alex at November 19, 2012 05:10 PM (3x3F6)

420 By the way, isn't this question anti-Semitic?

I'm sorry that I don't know enough about about Jewish beliefs but the years in the Hebrew calendar are supposed to count the number of years since the beginning of the earth, are they not?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:10 PM (xSegX)

421 It's quite plausible to me that Neanderthals believed in some Gods.

There are probably several hominid lineages that had Gods. We are just the only one that survived.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:10 PM (ZPrif)

422 >>>It is, more then anything, about getting the state to recognize that
'marriage'. From there, any Green Bay Packer fan should know, it's a
shirt sprint over the goal line into the promised land of government
benefits.

Well I agree that's the iron homosexuals have in the fire. Now those who don't directly benefit in the progressive movement. Well a number buy into the whole fairness argument, which has never made any sense to me as I have yet to find an element in the institution of marriage at any level that even closely approximates "fair". But I think a more sinister part of the left, who fully embrace that brave new world, simply want to de-couple the concept of family from marriage.

I never get an answer to the most basic question about marriage. If it's not about human reproduction, why on earth do we allow government, to manage, regulate, endorse, encourage, and control it? Why is it not like every other human relationship which is, none of the government's damn business, and defined solely by those involved in the relationship? If it's not about the children, why on earth do we allow such an intrusion into our private lives?

Because I tell you. I'm not fond of the Governments regulation of marriage, at all.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (0q2P7)

423 I think 100,000 is closer to right but I don't know.

Supposedly between 200,000 and 50,000 years old.

Yeah, I know. Real exact, there.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (4+LTj)

424 415 Jolly Roger,

Asatru's only problem is its infiltration by skinheads.

Hell a part of me wants to get ordained in Asatru simply to get permanent resident status in Canada in a jam.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (LRFds)

425 Oblig.
Are you retarded? Or should I say mentally challenged? He gave a perfect answer. Anyone with an ounce of common sense will believe that. People think different things and science really has no fucking idea when it comes down to it.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (tVTLU)

426 368 The SEC isn't actively expanding right now, but could be interested in a few ACC teams if the shit hits the fan thanks to Maryland.

I don't see where there's room on a 12 game schedule unless the SEC divisions quit playing any teams from outside the conference, or from the other division, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a conference.

---

The best idea I've heard about an SEC schedule would be to split the conference into four "pods" of four teams.

Let's use a pod of LSU, A&M, Mizzou, and Arkansas as an example.

In years 1 and 2, they would play division games against Ole Miss, Miss State, Auburn, and Alabama as well as cross-division games against Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, and another team.

In years 3 and 4, they would play division games against Tennessee, Vandy, and Kentucky and cross-division games against Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and another team.

That makes for home-and-homes with the entire conference every four years.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (e0xKF)

427 I luv ya Mama, but I can't buy that argument. If they wanted gay marriage to be church sanctioned, they'd create their own churches. It's not that tough, considering there are something like 5,000 iirc religions in the world.


No, the goal is to force the mainstream denominations to perform gay marriage. This is not speculation, I've sat there while people who are very active in pushing gay marriage openly discuss this. That's been a long term goal since at least the early 90's and I'm quite certain before that. The position that Christianity should be banned in the United States because it is utterly bigoted is considered a pretty mainstream position by parts of the Gay Left.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (VtjlW)

428 "because it's just not a serious religion anymore"

i dun geddit

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (60GaT)

429 Are we all so fragile now that we need to have this grey area set up wherein we are never confronted with the fact that others don't share our beliefs? I hope not.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 05:03 PM (5H6zj)


Only certain beliefs. There's a list. Ask a reporter or a teacher if you don't know what the list is.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (bxiXv)

430 >>>
You're saying "The Force" but you don't want to actually type the words!

You got me. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:11 PM (LCRYB)

431
This question is so insidious. Rubio's answer makes lefties laugh at fundamentalist Christians that deny the Earth and Universe is billions of years old. And it puts a wedge between Rubio and the Christians that adhere to a literal seven day creation story. After all, this goup beleives that"If we allow our children to doubt the days of creation, when the language speaks so plainly, they are likely to then doubt Christ’s Virgin Birth, and that He really rose from the dead." Soa balanced answer likeRubio gave still alienates the left and the right.

Posted by: California Red at November 19, 2012 05:12 PM (icSBv)

432
The problem is when people conflate their religious beliefs with their politics. Next thing ya know, we've got liberal churches and liberal preachers, and liberation theology folks, trying to tell us all how to act...and using the government to force us all to act that way.

Not that the right ever does anything like that, of course.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 19, 2012 05:12 PM (WwR1j)

433 The lefties back in 2004 were pushing an idea that W was invading Iraq to bring about the second coming. Another thing that they never talked about in my years of going to church.

The left has some crazy ideas.

Remember, they believed that Palin thought Jesus drove a dinosaur to work because that's what flyover rubes think, dontchaknow

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 05:12 PM (QxSug)

434 I honestly don't know how long humans have been around. I really need to read a book about it because I am sort of interested in the subject. I always guess either 10,000 years or 100,000.

I think 100,000 is closer to right but I don't know.
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (LCRYB)


Wow, seriously Mr. Science?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 19, 2012 05:12 PM (/1U3u)

435 It's a shitty situation, but justice should be visited on the perpetrator, not the child.

Pregnancy/birth are not risk free. About 1:1000 result in severely debilitating and life threatening problems for the woman later in life. RA, autoimmune diseases, brittle bone, etc.

My brother's wife is in a wheelchair, with a dozen broken bones and will soon have a leg amputated because of complications from her pregnancy 13 years ago. She may be dead before Christmas if the amputation has complications.

She'd willingly go through it again, but not for the child of a rapist.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 19, 2012 05:12 PM (JOVHJ)

436 And I do get this vibe from most of these discussions. Whether it's
pregnancy, premarital sex, etc., social conservatives are broadly in
favor of keeping consequences active and real.


Ace, if there were a way to let someone avoid all the long-term physical problems of habitual drunkenness, but still experience the "pleasure" of getting drunk (with all it's short term effects) would you be for, or against that?

See, I'd be against it, because it would encourage people to get drunk more often, meaning more people would drive drunk. And that's just asking for trouble.

While I'll admit many of my fellow Christians aren't the best at articulating it, that's what most of us (not all, I'll admit) believe about earthly consequences. We think that those long term consequences are good inasmuch as they make even just a few people think twice about what they're about to do.

We don't think they deserve those consequences as any form of punishment (or, rather, we don't think they're any more deserving of punishment in general than anyone else- see also: "for all have sinned..."), we think those consequences are good from a "look before you leap" standpoint.

And, again, it's not that we don't those things available at all, it's that we want the choice to reject them. Which was really what was behind the Gardisil argument.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 19, 2012 05:12 PM (8y9MW)

437
I think you guys have figure it out. It doesn't matter what the answer is to gotcha questions.

You're either a knuckle dragging moron that doesn't believe in science.

Or you're a knuckle draggin moron that sort of said what they wanted to hear.

Posted by: MJ at November 19, 2012 05:12 PM (TR60b)

438
Let's ignore the popular culture and get all bent out of shape about how unfair they are and whine about how retarded they are and get our shorts in a knot about how the secular crowd wants to insult Christians and....

keep losing elections.

Posted by: i am mad as hell - period at November 19, 2012 05:12 PM (cgxNI)

439 422 MikeTheMoose,

Yup...if the purpose is just "because" I'd like to marry another woman as well as my wife assuming they get along.

The spare wife should probably get all our military benefits too right?

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (LRFds)

440 "It's quite plausible to me that Neanderthals believed in some Gods. "

Their burial customs certainly seemed to indicate that (for that matter, just the fact that they had burial customs at all).

Other animals typically just leave the dead where they fall.

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (pkkxZ)

441 There's strong hints there are genes for male homosexuality. Sisters of gay men are more fecund, more feminine, than the average female.

Eventually we'll find out these. genes. Like most traits it'll probably be tens or hundreds of genes each with a small effect. But whole genome analysis in 2050 (or earlier) will be able to make a prediction of a high likelihood the embryo will be gay.

And that embryo, like the embryo with Downs Syndrome, will not be implanted.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (ZPrif)

442 The human gestation period is 40 weeks, and yet "science" can't seem to put a figure on where life begins.

Yeah, they know exactly where it begins. They just don't want to put the stamp of Official Science on it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (xSegX)

443 No, it's still good in octal or hexadecimal or any base > 4.


Posted by: zmdavid at November 19, 2012 04:41 PM (ImdBx)

works in binary too!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (Cnqmv)

444 397 -

I think his answer was "there are R voters who would like me to say X, and there are R voters who would like me to say Y. I'm not going to say either because your question was intended to divide R voters."

That's what makes it a fine answer. Now, if you WANT to know his views on the age of the Earth, I guess you aren't satisfied. Otherwise, I'm not sure what's wrong with it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (TOk1P)

445 @401

No but I can prove an electron is there and the test is repeatable. What formula proves God?
I'm saying if Jn 3:16 is right, and the basis for salvation is belief (faith), then if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists because he's right in front of you, do you need faith, and if not what becomes the basis for salvation?

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (t06LC)

446 Asatru's only problem is its infiltration by skinheads.

Norse revival groups were even allied with the Nazis in the '30s. If memory serves, Hitler's first Agricultural Minister was a Norse Revivalist.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (4+LTj)

447 438 I am mad as hell,

Yeah that's it....religion did not cost us this race or Obama would never have won the double bind bullshit triple standards cost us this race.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:14 PM (LRFds)

448 I'm pro-life except in the cases of rape and health of the mother and only go as far as allowingit but not forcing others to pay for it,but I am sympathetic to the arguments of life in the cases of rape.One of my thoughts thoughare that we have milionsof miscarriages a year and even the no abortion exceptions people do not hold these miscarriagesthe sameas losing a child after a live birth. I don't think they want to believe that but by their actions or lack thereof regard to this common occurrence, support that conclusion.

That argument isstupid. A miscarriage is a tragedy, but it is a biological act that is almost always outside the control of the mother. It would be like prosecuting for murder the mother of a child that died of a heart defect.

Posted by: Alex at November 19, 2012 05:14 PM (3x3F6)

449
incidentally, Babylon 5, set in the 23rd century, had a lot to say about faith and religion

it seemed like J M Stravinsky wanted to carefully make the point that religion does not go away in the future -- there still was a place for faith even in outer space.

Incidentally again, a lot of people can't appreciate why B5 was so popular because they get bored with the first few eps and give up. JMS wove in a lot of mundane stuff along with ethical dilemmas in the first season so today's Earth-bound viewers could relate to these space-fearing peoples. That's my guess, anyway.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:14 PM (v8xyR)

450 Jesus, if we keep this up, we'll never get ObamaPhoneLady's vote or LenaDunham's vote.

Actually, since we haven't bothered to stop the redefining of America since 1965, who knows where the needle will stop, what kind of country we'll be in 20 years.

But we live right here, right now, and that's smack dab in the middle of Great Depression 2.0 with a bunch of politicians who think Sandy was caused by cow farts.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 05:14 PM (QxSug)

451 I remember out founder, Ukipa Heap, pressed the first bricks with his own hands.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 19, 2012 05:15 PM (+I8Mq)

452 The topis don't matter. Religion. Economics. Whatever .
US = Broken marriage. These are ex wife questions from the ex-wife blue state MSM.

The answer will be recorded and used against you later.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 19, 2012 05:15 PM (EZl54)

453 The amazing arrogance is some lefty on a small planet on the spiral arm of an insignificant galaxy being willing to say there are no higher beings.

I can respect an agnostic, because they are only waiting for better evidence, but an athiest? They are close minded dicks who are even more fervent than the most wild eyed fundamentalist.

Posted by: Invictus at November 19, 2012 05:15 PM (OQpzc)

454 446Meicz,

Yes but to be fair to Nordic paganism it did predate the Nazis.

It is a lot like Eugenics the cruel and cold logic in me embraces it as "sensible in gentle application."

The human part of me is horrified because of what Shicklegruber did with Michigan, Ohio and indiana's theory.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:15 PM (LRFds)

455 Remember, they booed God.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 19, 2012 05:15 PM (+I8Mq)

456
oh, so JMS put it like this in B5: if one can achieve a balance between faith and reason...

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:16 PM (v8xyR)

457 I'm saying if Jn 3:16 is right, and the basis for salvation is belief
(faith), then if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists
because he's right in front of you, do you need faith, and if not what
becomes the basis for salvation?


So Thomas is going to Hell, then?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:16 PM (4+LTj)

458 Incidentally again, a lot of people can't appreciate
why B5 was so popular because they get bored with the first few eps and
give up. JMS wove in a lot of mundane stuff along with ethical dilemmas
in the first season so today's Earth-bound viewers could relate to
these space-fearing peoples. That's my guess, anyway.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:14 PM (v8xyR)

Season 2-4 is where it's at.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 19, 2012 05:16 PM (xAtAj)

459 The human gestation period is 40 weeks, and yet "science" can't seem to put a figure on where life begins.
That's because you have to define "life", which is a philosophical question. Science can give us a set of data, that's it.

Posted by: Alex at November 19, 2012 05:16 PM (3x3F6)

460 Razib also blogs at Secular Right. I don't read that much, though. He uses a fake name there. Can't remember what. Wait -- David Hume, that's his name there.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:16 PM (ZPrif)

461 One of my thoughts thoughare that we have milionsof miscarriages a year
and even the no abortion exceptions people do not hold these
miscarriagesthe sameas losing a child after a live birth. I don't think
they want to believe that but by their actions or lack thereof regard to
this common occurrence, support that conclusion.
--
I think for many of the parents (probably all of the parents) it is the same. But I'd also say that it after all only human nature to invest more emotional energy into the death of someone you got to 'know' than to the death of stranger. So unless you're the parent, it would be hard to grieve the same way as you might for a child you had met.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 05:16 PM (5H6zj)

462 Eventually we'll find out these. genes. Like most traits it'll probably
be tens or hundreds of genes each with a small effect. But whole genome
analysis in 2050 (or earlier) will be able to make a prediction of a
high likelihood the embryo will be gay.

---

Wanna see a leftie implode with self contradiction.


Ask them if, in the future, you could find a "gay gene". Does the mother has a right to choose to abort a gay fetus.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 19, 2012 05:17 PM (nELVU)

463 Rubio is close to the money shot:

"I don't know. But thanks to Obama, when you are unemployed, you will have lots of time to figure out the answer."

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 19, 2012 05:17 PM (OWjjx)

464 410 -

One or more. That's my definition of "high percentage."

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2012 05:17 PM (TOk1P)

465
How old is the Earth?

Well, the Leftists like to ignore the 'Age of the Planet' when it comes to their religion of 'global warming'.

The earth has gone through catastrophic climate changes...long before us puny humans started burning fossil fuels.
But the Left ignores this.

Both the History Channel and NatGeo, showed specials this weekend about the 'Super Storm 2012'.
They each inserted the leftist meme of 'global warming' as the cause for Hurricane Sandy.

Did anyone elsesee those?

Science?
What about all the scientifically obtained Core Sample Studies that show that our coastal regions have been battered by these severe storms for thousands of years?

But the Leftnever lets Science get in the way of exploiting a disaster.

Posted by: wheatie at November 19, 2012 05:17 PM (ICEh3)

466
If you read the whole interview Rubio comes off pretty well.

I like the part where he is saying how much he likes Eminem but he can't play it with his kids around.

Let's face it - old white guys aren't going to win any more national elections. Gotta find someone with a half decent play list on their ipod.

Posted by: i am mad as hell - period at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (cgxNI)

467 If I had a dollar for every day the Earth is old I'd almost have enough to cover Obama's deficits.

Posted by: PR at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (KHo8t)

468 "One of my thoughts thoughare that we have milionsof miscarriages a year and even the no abortion exceptions people do not hold these miscarriagesthe sameas losing a child after a live birth. I don't think they want to believe that but by their actions or lack thereof regard to this common occurrence, support that conclusion.
Posted by: polynikes "

I agree, it is a double standard. If you truly though all of those miscarriages were human lives, wouldn't there be a crusade for better prenatal health since that kills more than actual abortions do?

My wife had a miscarriage a few weeks after being pregnant, and sorry, but you'll never convince me that a human being with soul was killed.

Now seeing a child in the womb with an ultrasound after several months? That's a whole different story.

I think there's an acceptable middle ground with Republicans opposing partial birth abortion, public funding of abortion, having parental consent, and allowing abortions before the first trimester.

Posted by: McAdams at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (tGgJ5)

469 227 As a professional geologist all I can say is that I'd believe the earth is 6000 years old easier than I'd believe that destroying businesses and wealth will ever create a prosperous nation
Posted by: TexasJew at November 19, 2012 04:40 PM (trh5+)


I refer you back to the GOP's cultural prism.
You fall trap to the assumption the Left wants a prosperous nation, because we do.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (jfUIE)

470
Season 2-4 is where it's at.

quitter!

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (v8xyR)

471 There's strong hints there are genes for male homosexuality. Sisters of gay men are more fecund, more feminine, than the average female. Eventually we'll find out these. genes. Like most traits it'll probably be tens or hundreds of genes each with a small effect. But whole genome analysis in 2050 (or earlier) will be able to make a prediction of a high likelihood the embryo will be gay.

I have no doubt that some people are born gay, I just don't think everyone who is gay was born that way. I do think that there are significant numbers who choose the lifestyle.

Posted by: Alex at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (3x3F6)

472 Save the Earth!

The Earth was a barren rock for 3 billion years. The Earth does not give a shit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (ZPrif)

473 I draw the line for humans at that faggy Gracile Australopithecines. Shave him, put him in trousers and I'd swear I hired him to mow my lawn once.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (QupBk)

474 A great read from a author friend of mine "No Argument for God" by John Wilkerson. Ace, I think you would find it intellectually challenging. Its an easy read and you can buy it on Amazon.
He talks about how many of the measurements we use for time and age were determined by man.So the measuring sticks we use to beginmay be flawed (and a matter of faith). Ultimitately his point is; we come to faith in God first. We know God personally, then we believe that he is our Creator, the Bible is true, we are in need of redemption, he sent his son to redeem us.
I love how you wrote this. It is beautifully done and so personal.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at November 19, 2012 05:19 PM (encrR)

475 It's because of you SoCons Christianity has bad rep. With your totalitarian attempts to create a theocracy, it's given the Left a club to go after religion. You have done much damage to our faith. Jesus would have nothing to do with you SoCons. You are the Pharisees in the temple.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:19 PM (p+4lN)

476 If I had a dollar for every day the Earth is old I'd almost have enough to cover Obama's deficits.

Posted by: PR at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (KHo8t)

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... actually.... you wouldn't even be close.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 19, 2012 05:19 PM (nELVU)

477 # 78 Rubio family are indeed Catholic, as a child his parents ( at the behest of a relative) considered perhaps joined Mormonism but reverted back to Catholicism when Marco was about 10. Marco has received First communion Confirmation in the Catholic faith. The attempt to connect him with Fundamentalism has occured because he Donated to a baptist Church in his florida district says he has occasionaly been to that Baptist Church to hear some preaching.

Posted by: molly pitcher at November 19, 2012 05:19 PM (K8v83)

478 That's because you have to define "life", which is a philosophical question. Science can give us a set of data, that's it.

"Viability," on the other hand, is easy: 24 weeks. If you're born before then, you end up really screwed up. After then, and you turn into a normal human.

This is where you can attack an atheist's pro-choice view: if the only difference between a fetus and a new-born is whether they're inside the mother (and functionally, there is no difference after 24 weeks), why is abortion OK and infanticide not?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:20 PM (4+LTj)

479 446 Asatru's only problem is its infiltration by skinheads.Norse revival groups were even allied with the Nazis in the '30s. If memory serves, Hitler's first Agricultural Minister was a Norse Revivalist.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:13 PM (4+LTj)

Damn they actually exist? Crazy. Any greek or roman cults still left?
I guess the Nazi connection wouldn't surprise me. Of course Hitler spent a lot of time trying to show aryans behind all of the world's ascendant empires at different epochs in history.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 19, 2012 05:20 PM (t06LC)

480 California Red:
I could not agree more. He basically said, scholars and theologians debate the question, and parents should be allowed to teach their kids according to their beliefs.

Just where in the fuck does that alienate anyone??????? I mean seriously, do we have intelligent posters here or what??

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 19, 2012 05:20 PM (tVTLU)

481 How old is the earth.............about 10 minutes older than Helen Thomas.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 19, 2012 05:20 PM (OWjjx)

482 @ 471 Alex

Watch the Left become Pro Life once once the gay gene is found. SoCons will become Pro Choice. It will be interesting to watch.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:20 PM (p+4lN)

483 BTW, the evangelical gaytheists who are scientifically proven that God doesn't exist because evolution believe that life on earth was planted here by visiting aliens.

so.

that'd be an interesting question for the DNC flavor of the week.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 05:21 PM (QxSug)

484 Different genes get activated depending on the environment.

If you are low status different genes get activated. Your body can actually sense that your life sucks and adapts at the genetic level.

So, yeah, quite possible people can be "turned gay" by experiences.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:21 PM (ZPrif)

485 boxers or briefs?

Posted by: i am mad as hell - period at November 19, 2012 05:21 PM (cgxNI)

486 wouldn't there be a crusade for better prenatal health since that kills more than actual abortions do?


teh stoopid. it burnz.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 19, 2012 05:21 PM (EZl54)

487 475 Free Twinkies,

yeah I'm pretty sure jesus would be caucusing with nanny McRictus and free shit army....oh wait no he wouldn't.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:21 PM (LRFds)

488 Rubio family are indeed Catholic
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Well by golly, he should have said he would have to check with the Bishop of Rome.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 19, 2012 05:21 PM (eEfYn)

489 @480, good point. He said those things, he may have sounded wishy washy.

If someone asked me how old the earth was, I'd be hard pressed from just the science literature out there, "like, um, 4 billion years?" Is that a wrong answer?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 19, 2012 05:22 PM (QxSug)

490 196 My memory was that it the oldest actual copy isn't in Hebrew, but in
some other language; that the Hebrew versions were copies of other,
non-extant versions.

But now I gotta go look it up, thanks.


"#3117 יום "yowm" From an
unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether
literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or
figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used
adverb):--age, + always, + chronicals, continually(-ance), daily,
((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, +
evening, + (for) ever(-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as
(... live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, +
remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, +
as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a)
while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year(-ly), + younger."

/Strong's Concordance

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 19, 2012 05:22 PM (YjDyJ)

491 Incidentally again, a lot of people can't appreciate why B5 was so popular because they get bored with the first few eps and give up.

But mostly it's because he's a horrible dialogue writer. He had a few good actors who could cover for him, but many of them couldn't.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:22 PM (xSegX)

492 Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:19 PM (p+4lN)

If that was a sock, it really wasn't funny,

If not, try decaf in the afternoon.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 19, 2012 05:22 PM (OWjjx)

493 My wife had a miscarriage a few weeks after being pregnant, and sorry, but you'll never convince me that a human being with soul was killed.

I just threw away this anecdote because it’s too private, but here it is again, to counter that some people feel differently: my girlfriend had a miscarriage at eight weeks, and I am grateful to my place of employment that they let me take over a week off to stay with her.

“I don’t want to be alone with my dead baby.”

She was devastated.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 19, 2012 05:22 PM (QF8uk)

494 Sisters of gay men are more fecund, more feminine, than the average female.

Huh. Always the outlier, I am.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 19, 2012 05:23 PM (hO8IJ)

495 Watch the Left become Pro Life once once the gay gene is found. SoCons will become Pro Choice. It will be interesting to watch.

You don't actually know any socons, do you? Or excellent parody? I'd don't know.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:23 PM (QupBk)

496 482 Free twinkies,

and there you go again...I sorta doubt it.

I would not tinker with the genomes on anything other than catastrophe like Open Nueral Tube Disorder.

Not my place to micromanage my child to that degree.

But do go on.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:23 PM (LRFds)

497 OT: Anyone else getting tired of the deludge of stories of poor civilians (mostly children) getting massacred by the JWM (Jooish War Machine)?

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (yn6XZ)

498 Of course God exist, how else can you explain Notre Dame being Number 1.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (OWjjx)

499 Damn they actually exist? Crazy. Any greek or roman cults still left?

Probably. I know someone who's an Egyptian revivalist.

Also, a weird thing is how much overlap there is between early Roman religion (without the Greek influences) and Shinto.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (4+LTj)

500 So, yeah, quite possible people can be "turned gay" by experiences.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2012 05:21 PM (ZPrif)


If a guy sucks a bunch of dicks, that will probably turn him gay.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (/1U3u)

501 @ 487 Harlekwin15

Jesus would support Real Christians who render that which is to Caesar's and that to which is to God's. Jesus would not back hypocritcal SoCons who want to shove their beliefs down people's throats. As Christians we should live by example, not impose our way.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (p+4lN)

502 I honestly don't know how long humans have been around. I really need to read a book about it because I am sort of interested in the subject. I always guess either 10,000 years or 100,000. I think 100,000 is closer to right but I don't know.
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:08 PM (LCRYB)


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I know for sure that Hobbits and Elves came before humans, but there was a brief time where they intermingled. Then after the the fall of Mordor, it truly became the age of man.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (whJ33)

503 >>>Are we all so fragile now that we need to have this grey area set up

wherein we are never confronted with the fact that others don't share

our beliefs?

The media is all about wedges. Especially in strong candidates prior to primaries. So you say I think the world is close to 5 billion years old. They WILL follow up and ask about what he thinks of Christian denominations that teach it is 10K years old; At that point the question will get harder to hedge. If he is honest and says he thinks they are wrong, (now hemorrhaging popularity with a group not prone to like Catholics to begin with) they will then ask what he thinks of teaching children these erroneous beliefs in sunday school and if that should be allowed?

It's just a never ending game of minesweeper, where the only winning move is not to play. He chose not to play early. Good move.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (0q2P7)

504 I luv ya Mama, but I can't buy that argument. If they wanted gay
marriage to be church sanctioned, they'd create their own churches.

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I love you too, you know that for sure. But you're not quite right on this. Have you ever known a progressive who did not want to take over an institution and remake it into "the perfect"? That is, their image of what that institution would look like if it were "progressive"?


The Left doesn't make their own. They co-opt what is, and re-work it into their own image.

Here's one thing, specifically. My son may have to choose between agreeing to perform marriage ceremonies for gays in the Army or resigning from the military. This is just one small step on the road to subjugating the churches to the progressive agenda.

They aren't going to go start a new church, not when there are thousands of churches all across the land just ripe for "perfecting".

Make no mistake, the ones who do not go along will end up in the same situation as the Catholic Church does with Obamacare right now. Forced to do what the state says, or go out of business.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 05:25 PM (P6QsQ)

505 socons socons socons SOCONZZZZZZZZ

Posted by: Hectoring Hectarian at November 19, 2012 05:25 PM (60GaT)

506 Spade a spade: Rubio is not God's gift to government. Just saying that he speaks usually well and from the heart but that's about it.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 19, 2012 05:25 PM (J7sV0)

507 I mourn the miscarriages, I mourn the ones that were almost viable the hardest.

4.5 months it is a human being IMHO they dream and are viable if cared for.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:25 PM (LRFds)

508 Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (p+4lN)

Yup. Jesus never tried to impose His will on people.

Posted by: Money Changers in the Temple at November 19, 2012 05:26 PM (OWjjx)

509 415
Fuck it. We should all recant Christianity because GQ said so and join a less crazy religion. I'm going Norse.

The longships are being constructed for the sacking of long island,
Thor's bringing the lightning, and our new motto is Let it Burn.

Posted by: JollyRoger

The Hammer of the Gods will drive our ships to new lands, to fight the horde, sing and cry?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 05:26 PM (dZ756)

510 Ah. Set phasers to ignore

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (p+4lN).
Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (p+4lN)

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:26 PM (QupBk)

511 @ 495 toby928©

I know plenty hence my dislike of them. They are very nasty people who are miserable in life and believe the government should create a perfect society. That way they can extend their misery to all.

Look at the SoCon commentators on this site, very nasty self righteous people.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:26 PM (p+4lN)

512 Well, like it or not that story is the end of any chance Rubio ever had of getting elected President.

Posted by: TrueNorthist at November 19, 2012 05:27 PM (3Aixx)

513 501 Free Twinks,

I'll be as bothered by more zealous right wing brethern as I see the legendary "moderate" donk get bothered by evangelical AGW hysterics.

'til then *shrug*




Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:27 PM (LRFds)

514 Ace, if there were a way to let someone avoid all the long-term physical problems of habitual drunkenness, but still experience the "pleasure" of getting drunk (with all it's short term effects) would you be for, or against that?

See, I'd be against it, because it would encourage people to get drunk more often, meaning more people would drive drunk. And that's just asking for trouble.

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Wait, what? You'd be against this personally (like the way I, a Catholic, am against birth control) or against allowing this to be legal?

Personally, that's up to you, but legally---that's kind of nuts. Prosecute the drunken driving when and if it happens, set up check points even. But why stop people from having safer alcohol? Why is it your business, and how would it even work? People went blind from drinking moonshine, and yet they still drank it. And besides, one of the key long-term problems, one of the things that keeps people careful, with alcohol is addiction itself. Addiction itself is often what leads to inappropriate things like driving drunk---you can get a dd or a cab if you drink once in a while for a pub crawl, but it's hard to get one every day. So, either addiction would be one of the "long-term problems" this substance would prevent/cure or it still wouldn't matter---you have to actually be addicted to keep drinking past the point where the problems (like liver damage) occur.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (2KBjW)

515 While I am by no means a defender of the slanted MSM, I will say that it is not unreasonable to expect the media to reflect at least some of the electorate's values. And I feel that we are at a point where intensely religious folk need to become comfortable with realizing that times change. WhileObamacare forcing Catholic hospitals to fund contraceptives is horribly wrong,the old maxim "if you don't believe in gay marriage, don't have one" applies for many Americans in many such religious questions-even if it that is rather simplistic. Most Americansare keen on keeping faith and science separate, and starlight patterns/geological patterns/fossil records do not disprove G-d, but yeah they make most Americans think that a young Earth is silly. And holy shit, ifasking if dinosaurs are real is a "New McCarthyism" (I pray that was some sort of sarcasm) then we as a party are fucked.I for one am in favor of more Jacksonian-minded Americans, butcurrentJacksonians should realize thatif they want younger Jacksonians to continue to be unapologetic in defending the nation, the young tend to question why onlywomen should be more modest, why asking if dinosaurs are real even comes up and yes why the state cares if Adam marries Steve (as long as the state does not force a church to marries gays).Yes I'm blending in posts but I'm in class, stuck with a Marxist professor.I<3 you Moronettes Morons for helping maintain my sanity.For those of you who are religious, G-d bless, and Ace I completely respect your non-douchey way of believing in the Flying Spagetthi Monster/agnosticism. I alwaystell my little atheist brother (a microbiology major and aspiring Marine) to be more like you: accepting that religion can be a postitive thing for the country,ergo even if your conscienceis not religiousyou shouldn't mock it or try to limit it (hello ACLU) and to question atheism as well as religious beliefs in order to be a better citizen and human being.

Posted by: Dan at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (ccWIH)

516 The Hammer of the Gods will drive our ships to new lands, to fight the horde, sing and cry?

Great. Now it's in my head.

My retaliation:

It's a world of laughter, a world of tears,
A world of hope, and a world of fears ...

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (4+LTj)

517 Season 2-4 is where it's at.

quitter!
Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:18 PM (v8xyR)


IMHO the best episode was in Season 5, but the best season is 2.

Season 1 was almost like a different series, or rather they altered the overall Arc and made it more central.

They didn't expect to have a season 5, so they wrapped up the Arc (horribly) at the end of season 4 (which was good overall), and season 5 was almost an afterthought.

Honestly it's easier for people to watch it now on DVD, because they get the overall plot in bigger, closer chunks, rather than spread out over 5 years.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (bxiXv)

518 508 Money Changers in the Temple

Jesus lived by example and did miracles. He never imposed his way.s.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (p+4lN)

519 Watch the Left become Pro Life once once the gay gene is found. SoCons will become Pro Choice.

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Are you a serious person?

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (P6QsQ)

520 I have a daughter with identical twins, and science tells me that they were the product of an egg that divided moments after conception. So I have a really difficult time believing that their lives didn't start at about... I don't know... 20 weeks later or so.

Because, knuckle dragging.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (feFL6)

521 511

Randian Paradise!

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (60GaT)

522 Ah there it is....man The KT Troll militia abounds....

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:28 PM (LRFds)

523 With your totalitarian attempts to create a theocracy, it's given the Left a club to go after religion.

The leftists have their own religion and it killed 10's of millions in the last century.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 19, 2012 05:29 PM (JOVHJ)

524 @ 515 Dan

Well said. I am an Orthodox Christian and separate my politics from my faith.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:29 PM (p+4lN)

525 So the question is, should the right to life of a living human be dependent on the vagaries of individuals' reactions to them?

This is important because we are entering a phase where the govt is going to be controlling our ability to live, by controlling health care. So at what point is a life worth saving? When people have Alzheimer's, are they no longer worth our care? When someone is born with a disability that makes them totally dependent on others, should they be put to death? After all, their parents did not choose their condition.

It seems so much simpler, both from moral and public policy grounds, to say all human life has value and work from there, then to pursue the various arbitrary schemes we've been using for decades.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 05:30 PM (5H6zj)

526 It's a world of laughter, a world of tears,
A world of hope, and a world of fears ...


Full of dreams to last for years
In Seattle!


Damn you to hell.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:30 PM (QupBk)

527 489:

I mean to type, I could not "disagree" more with California Red's comment. Rubio gave the perfect political answer.

I'm sure he wanted to say, why the fuck are you asking me this question. What are my views of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Are you aware of the works of Karl Popper, and that science always changes paradigms.
Are you aware that Einstein was wrong.

But these would give them their precious fucking soundbytes. He said, that's above my pay grade; scholars and theologians differ, and parents should have the freedom to teach their kids whatever they think is appropriate.

PERFECT FUCKING ANSWER TO THESE JACKALS.....

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 19, 2012 05:30 PM (tVTLU)

528 523 PA,

but THIS time it'll be PERFECT b/c they are GOOD....

I'd love to put a hammer to every sickle bearer.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:30 PM (LRFds)

529 "why the state cares if Adam marries Steve"

People can have the position they want on this/argue some of the rhetoric is overheated but I've never been a fan of "who cares" reflexive anti-statism, whether from the Right or Left

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 05:30 PM (60GaT)

530 516
The Hammer of the Gods will drive our ships to new lands, to fight the horde, sing and cry?
Great. Now it's in my head.
My retaliation:
It's a world of laughter, a world of tears,
A world of hope, and a world of fears ...


Posted by: Meiczyslaw

I love that song! :->

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 05:31 PM (dZ756)

531
PERFECT FUCKING ANSWER TO THESE JACKALS.....

No.....he did not call Obama a cocksucker!

Posted by: The Commentor Who Wants Everyone to Call Obama a cocksucker at November 19, 2012 05:31 PM (OWjjx)

532 497 OT: Anyone else getting tired of the deludge of stories of poor civilians (mostly children) getting massacred by the JWM (Jooish War Machine)?
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 19, 2012 05:24 PM (yn6XZ)


Hell, no!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 19, 2012 05:31 PM (BushJ)

533 @ 519 mama winger, stranger in a strange land

You SoCons have bullied other Conservatives now for decades. We are sick of it and fighting back. Like a bully, when you get punched, you whine. Get used to push back from others on the Right.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:31 PM (p+4lN)

534 Truenorthist:

You are either a troll or a retard. Perhaps both. Rubio's interview was perfect, you fucking idiots.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 19, 2012 05:32 PM (tVTLU)

535 525 Y-not,

We will not have control of whether our kids make it to term.

I am fairly certain IPAB will.

I also know that at that point I will go to a cave and wait to die.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:32 PM (LRFds)

536 >>>Jesus would not back hypocritcal SoCons who want to shove their beliefs
down people's throats. As Christians we should live by example, not
impose our way.

Don't include me in that we. As a Citizen I am also a governor of the State. And Christ never suggested such a person not apply morality for fear of imposition. Allowing one human being to legally murder another under the guise of a so called absolute right to privacy is not the governorship expected of me. That's not imposing my way, that's protecting the right of life of the innocent, which is absolutely expected of governors, if you bothered to read the new testament, which I am absolutely sure you haven't, you'd know that.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 19, 2012 05:32 PM (0q2P7)

537 Jesus would not back hypocritcal SoCons who want to shove their beliefs down people's throats.

OK, so when does this actually happen?

I mean, actually happen, today. Not the hypothetical stuff, but actually today.

OK, you have abortion, but if you can't see the philosophical issue with life and death here, you haven't really thought about it. What about the right to kill "unviable" welfare recipients? Or, more seriously, the handicapped? Peter Singer would have a lot of interesting things to say on that score.

But besides that? Sure, there's the social justice lefty religious types that want to do all the enviro-banning, like lightbulbs.

Are they banning 20oz sodas? Buckyballs?

Chuck Schumer has banned more products and activities than anyone in American history.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:32 PM (xSegX)

538 The last comment was really just part of the problem---I hate the idea that our freedom must be curtailed because it might possibly lead elsewhere. The HPV vaccine crap fits in the same box, with the added "Um, you really think it's okay for your kid to get cancer if her spouse cheats on her, lies to her about his partners/status before marriage, or heaven forbid, if she's sexually assaulted? Even if she does stray from your teaching about sex, you think it's appropriate that she should get cancer?"

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 19, 2012 05:32 PM (2KBjW)

539 You Light Up My Life
You give Me Hope
To Carry on...............

Posted by: A song worse than Its A Small World Afterall at November 19, 2012 05:32 PM (OWjjx)

540 Yup. Jesus never tried to impose His will on people.
Posted by: Money Changers in the Temple at November 19, 2012 05:26 PM (OWjjx)

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Heh. Or, "you'll eat this broken up fish and bread and you'll like it". (I may be paraphrasing there.)

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2012 05:33 PM (whJ33)

541 Economic Conservatives and Libertarians vs. Social Cons and Necons. The battle has begun!

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:33 PM (p+4lN)

542 We are sick of it and fighting back.

No you're not, twinkles. Your not doing a damn think but venting on an internet message board.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:33 PM (QupBk)

543 More good comebacks for republicans-I'm pro life next question.

Posted by: Shell Answer Man at November 19, 2012 05:33 PM (Kflw4)

544
@ 519 mama winger, stranger in a strange land

You SoCons have
bullied other Conservatives now for decades. We are sick of it and
fighting back. Like a bully, when you get punched, you whine. Get used
to push back from others on the Right.


Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:31 PM (p+4lN)


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Okay.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 05:33 PM (P6QsQ)

545 or thing

either or,

or a Freudinan Slip.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:33 PM (QupBk)

546 When someone is born with a disability that makes them totally dependent on others, should they be put to death?

Mandatory amniocentesis followed by mandatory abortion should clear most of that up...still have a few kids with disabilities from birth trauma, but they'll go away when they're denied all but the cheapest palliative care.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 19, 2012 05:34 PM (hO8IJ)

547 533 Hector twinks,

Yeah I can tell we'v had total control of the GOP haven't we...

um why no.

I am about 80% FiCon and 20% SoCon but if the SoCons get purged I walk with them.

Better call a pollster Hectron b/c I don't think FSA will cross over to GOP.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:34 PM (LRFds)

548 Hector, reminiscing of a libertarian GOP that never was (nope, not even Goldwater -- not when he was politically relevant anyway)

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 05:34 PM (60GaT)

549
You SoCons have bullied other Conservatives now for decades. We are sick of it and fighting back. Like a bully, when you get punched, you whine. Get used to push back from others on the Right.


hahahahahahahahaha!

is that you, Dildo #2?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:34 PM (v8xyR)

550 @ 537 AmishDude

Sociali Cons have bullied and shive their belkiefs down the throats of others on the Right. Like your stuypid abortion crap and wanting raped women to carry the rapist's child.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:35 PM (p+4lN)

551 "why the state cares if Adam marries Steve"
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That reminds me (I have no idea why) of a Florida incident. A man (Hispanic, color unknown, immigrant) was arrested for engaging in sexual activity with a dog. His reaction was in effect: "I don't know what the problem is. It's my dog."

Posted by: RioBravo at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (eEfYn)

552 Science can't measure faith and faith can't measure observable facts. Each has their role but they aren't interchangeable. Faith is needed to measure observable facts. Faith in your instruments. Faith in your methodology. (Faith is not opposed to evidence) Knowledge must start with faith, which is why it's hilarious when people claim they know things without belief. As for the age of the earth, it is most definitely not an observable fact. Can you observe the age of a human being? Would your guesses based on scientific measurements trump the birth certificate?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (v3pYe)

553 We got a constitution that (theoretically) precludes a theocracy, yet the left flails that nag as often and as hard as it can.

That same constitution does not (theoretically or otherwise), preclude a Socialist or Communist state given past SCOTUS rulings.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (JOVHJ)

554
yep, it's Dildo #2

Posted by: soothsayer at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (v8xyR)

555 Hector, shut the fuck up. Now you are sounding idiotic.

Posted by: Someone Has to Say it at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (OWjjx)

556 Meh. Milquetoast answer. Mine would have been a long ramble about the proper contextual meaning of Hebrew "yom" and the modern conflation between empirical (bridges, medicine) and forensic (macroevolution, age of the earth) science. After that, I'd get into axioms (uniformitarianism, materialism, cosmological principle, primacy of Scripture), maybe throw in a little critique of radioisotopic dating assumptions and some observations about carbon-dating diamonds and measuring sea floor sediment. Then I'd say, "around 6,000 years old."

Speaking of axioms: when this question is asked, why does NOBODY (to my knowledge, at least) bring up the axiom of the United States? An axiom, of course, is a self-evident truth. We have one: "...that all men are created equal, and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights..." Question for GQ: do you believe in a Creator? If not, to what do you appeal for the rights you enjoy as Americans? Like it or not, your very skepticism and mockery is tolerated only based on Judeo-Christian assumptions about the origin of man. Try asking that question in GQ Saudi Arabia, bra. Pretty sure they don't let the pagans pay the jizya tax.

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (BZjb6)

557 this Hector hates the dread SoCons more than liberals

If Reagan was president he'd be bitching about the Moral Majority and how Reagan the Theocrat should denounce them at.once.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (60GaT)

558 Sociali Cons have bullied and shive their belkiefs down the throats of others on the Right.

Heh. The little pounding fists of fury on the keyboard are getting cranked up.

Your rage, it amuses me.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (QupBk)

559 Do me a favor.

For all of you who think that Europe is so enlightened.

That they are not in the thrall of those horrible socons and their Christianist beliefs.

Go to Wikipedia.

Look up "Abortion in Germany".

And pick your jaw up off the floor.

I'd be happy with European abortion laws. Very happy, in fact.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (xSegX)

560 2 548 JDP
The GOP used to be Libertarian to soft Social Conservatism. Then in the last 2 decades the Theocrats took over and silenced any Conservative who opposed them.

Those days are over.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (p+4lN)

561 We live in a society now where there is more pressure to 'adopt' a pound puppy rather than to buy one from a breeder (even a reputable breeder) than there is to adopt a child instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars making one in a lab (and tossing away the unwanted ones).

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (5H6zj)

562 back when Reagan was president, should say.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (60GaT)

563
Was GQ there....?

Posted by: Job 38 at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (njnnp)

564 I can't decide who is more idiotic at this point.....Hector wanting a conservative civil war or Mike Wilbon slobbering all over RGIII dick.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (OWjjx)

565 That reminds me (I have no idea why) of a Florida incident. A man (Hispanic, color unknown, immigrant) was arrested for engaging in sexual activity with a dog. His reaction was in effect: "I don't know what the problem is. It's my dog."
Posted by: RioBravo at November 19, 2012 05:36 PM (eEfYn

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Barack just thinks it's tacky to play with your food.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (2KBjW)

566 Sociali Cons have bullied and shive their belkiefs down the throats of others on the Right.

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Legislation please. I'd like to look those up, so if you have actual numbers of the bills that have been passed by us SoCons that have shoved beliefs down your throats, that would be great.


Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 05:38 PM (P6QsQ)

567 @ 557 JDP

SoCons are another form of the Marxist monsters.

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:38 PM (p+4lN)

568 531:

EXACTLY!!! If only that was allowable in the "long game"...

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 19, 2012 05:38 PM (tVTLU)

569
With your totalitarian attempts to create a theocracy


yep. Ace of Theocracy. we're busted.

you win~

*snort*



Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 19, 2012 05:38 PM (EZl54)

570 The GOP used to be Libertarian to soft Social Conservatism. Then in the
last 2 decades the Theocrats took over and silenced any Conservative who
opposed them.

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Oh my.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 05:39 PM (P6QsQ)

571 Watch the Left become Pro Life once once the gay gene is found. SoCons will become Pro Choice. It will be interesting to watch.

I don't think SoCons will become pro-choice: their opposition to abortion will outweigh their opposition to homosexuality.

Posted by: Alex at November 19, 2012 05:39 PM (3x3F6)

572 We gonna have a Theocracy?

Damn, can I have one of those fancy pointed hats then........

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 19, 2012 05:39 PM (OWjjx)

573 The battle has been joined SoCons. Libertarians and Economic Conservative are coming for you. The battle to save the GOP from you Theocratic Marxists has begun!

Have a good day!

Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:39 PM (p+4lN)

574 SoCons are another form of the Marxist monsters.

actually that would be me

Posted by: ZULE at November 19, 2012 05:40 PM (EZl54)

575 "The GOP used to be Libertarian to soft Social Conservatism"

this is such bullshit, alot of the "socon" issues _weren't issues_ in this time period you're talking about, and by your standards a lot more of the country was a bunch of deranged theocrats, even Democratic voters. Nixon and Ford were a lot of things, but "libertarian" was not one of them.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 05:40 PM (60GaT)

576 Look up "Abortion in Germany".



And pick your jaw up off the floor.


Heh. Last time my German friend was over here, he was going on a bit about how America is so bigoted so I asked him when Bavaria got gay marriage.

Epic spluttering.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 19, 2012 05:40 PM (hO8IJ)

577 Hector was an inspired choice of nic, btw. What with the horde inevitably dragging you around the walls of your doomed city.

You should go back to that.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:40 PM (QupBk)

578 Faith in your instruments. Faith in your methodology. (Faith is not opposed to evidence)

Faith in the scientific method itself. For instance, the assumption that two experiments should yield the same result if performed properly.

Why?

Can you observe the age of a human being?

Hell, they can't even determine the age of Dominican baseball players.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:40 PM (xSegX)

579 Hectron, KT, and the troll armies are invading Spadia HQville....

grab you weapon and lay them out.

Posted by: Harlekwin15 at November 19, 2012 05:40 PM (LRFds)

580 OK, I have answered my own question.

Hector sounds more idiotic.

Wilbon eventually shuts up for the commercial.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 19, 2012 05:41 PM (OWjjx)

581 >>>I'd be happy with European abortion laws. Very happy, in fact.

I saw @verumserum discussing this three weeks ago on Twitter. I was pretty surprised at how anti-abortion "liberal enlightened Europe" is.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:41 PM (LCRYB)

582 >>I never really was Christian enough to have to "repudiate it" or anything so dramatic. I just don't believe in any God.


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You've never thought of yourself as a god, have you, ace?

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 19, 2012 05:41 PM (BVkEs)

583 We live in a society now where there is more pressure to 'adopt' a pound puppy rather than to buy one from a breeder (even a reputable breeder) than there is to adopt a child instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars making one in a lab (and tossing away the unwanted ones).
Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (5H6zj)

I was thinking the same thing except in terms of abortion. Some people aremore outraged at the euthanization of puppies than 2nd and 3third trimester abortions.

Posted by: polynikes at November 19, 2012 05:41 PM (m2CN7)

584 Damn, can I have one of those fancy pointed hats then........

If we would burn a few heretics we would finally get some respect around here.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 19, 2012 05:41 PM (QupBk)

585 Great answer to a Gotcha question.

The attack begins. The libtards in the MFM are already trying to gather a collection of sound bytes to use against him in 2016.

This is Sarah Palin attack strategy 101. Rubio will have to stay on his toes from now on.

Posted by: TheOtherJay at November 19, 2012 05:41 PM (nojhZ)

586 I was in England some years back and was surprised they were debating whether or not to repeal the national law against gay sex. It is/was called "Section 19" or something like that.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:42 PM (LCRYB)

587 You've never thought of yourself as a god, have you, ace?

Say "yes!"

Posted by: Pete Venckman at November 19, 2012 05:42 PM (EZl54)

588 Perfect political answer. Rubio came to play ball.

But are there really that many people who would think less of a candidate for saying 4-5b years? Young earth creationists can't be a huge demographic.

Posted by: kartoffel at November 19, 2012 05:43 PM (OgNv0)

589
GQ: How old is the earth?

Marco Rubio: My inner Admiral Akbar is yelling that this is a trap! Next question!

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 19, 2012 05:43 PM (njnnp)

590 If we would burn a few heretics we would finally get some respect around here

BURN THE WITCH.......ERRR...........HERETICS!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 19, 2012 05:43 PM (OWjjx)

591 I was pretty surprised at how anti-abortion "liberal enlightened Europe" is.
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Well, their problem must be sterility or abstinence then.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 19, 2012 05:43 PM (eEfYn)

592 >>>Libertarians and Economic Conservative are coming for you. The battle to save the GOP from you Theocratic Marxists has begun!
Have a good day!

I laugh at your impotence. Socons aren't going anywhere. Get used to it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 19, 2012 05:44 PM (0q2P7)

593 586

I've heard about this but I don't think that's what it was? I thought it was that schools couldn't "promote" homosexuality.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 05:45 PM (60GaT)

594 Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:42 PM (LCRYB)

Wasn't that the section Oscar Wilde was prosecuted under?

Reminds me of a good trivia question by the way. How is Oscar Wilde connected to the sport of Boxing?

Posted by: polynikes at November 19, 2012 05:45 PM (m2CN7)

595 >>>Well, their problem must be sterility or abstinence then.

They self select cultural extinction one free pill at a time.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 19, 2012 05:45 PM (0q2P7)

596 Nick Danger alert: Ace is reading Chandler. Tune in
later as he turns the corner of Lousy Etiquette and walks into a
sandstone building. "Ow!"


Posted by: comatus at November 19, 2012 04:26 PM

Nick Danger?? Don't tell me there's a FST fan here....who'd a thunk it...

Posted by: JMKN1 at November 19, 2012 05:46 PM (JMKN1)

597 it was more than that. I'm pretty sure homosexual acts were still illegal (though this wasn't enforced much, of course).

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:46 PM (LCRYB)

598 The right answer to the question is simple: you have to elect me to find out.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 05:47 PM (dZ756)

599 I saw @verumserum discussing this three weeks ago on Twitter. I was pretty surprised at how anti-abortion "liberal enlightened Europe" is.

I think once you get past the political argument of "abortion always illegal vs always legal" people can actually look at the issue with some care.

I have zero doubt that if abortion wasn't the central front in the culture wars, partial birth abortion would absolutely be illegal as it is plainly infanticide.

It's sort of a paradox in that because some people in the pro-life movement are so strident and ridiculous, it actually pushes people to be more pro-choice than they normally would.

Posted by: McAdams at November 19, 2012 05:47 PM (tGgJ5)

600 The battle has been joined SoCons. Libertarians and Economic Conservative are coming for you.

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Sounds fun Hector. Be sure to bring your pitchfork. Will there be boxcars?

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 19, 2012 05:47 PM (P6QsQ)

601 having looked it up, homosexuality was decriminalized throughout most of england in like 1962. Not sure what I was remembering now.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:48 PM (LCRYB)

602 1967.

Hm, still looking to see what I was thinking of.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:48 PM (LCRYB)

603 The GOP used to be Libertarian to soft Social Conservatism. Then in the last 2 decades the Theocrats took over and silenced any Conservative who opposed them.Those days are over.
Posted by: Free Twinkies at November 19, 2012 05:37 PM (p+4lN)


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How old are you, grasshopper? Because that's certainly not how I remember it. You wouldn't have liked the dems or the repubs prior to the 1980's. Both parties back in those days recognized God as the overall guide in national affairs.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2012 05:49 PM (whJ33)

604 If you are low status different genes get activated. Your body can actually sense that your life sucks and adapts at the genetic level. So, yeah, quite possible people can be "turned gay" by experiences.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of mental illness and self destructive behavior. People with underlying issues are attracted to the homosexual community, not because they have any great attraction to other men or women, but because the promiscuity, drug use, and other behaviors are tolerated there in a way that the straight community does not.

Posted by: Alex at November 19, 2012 05:49 PM (3x3F6)

605 away when they're denied all but the cheapest palliative care.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 19, 2012 05:34 PM (hO8IJ)

Just wait until they go after those with genetic markers for disease like diabetes and such. Cost to society don't ya know.

Posted by: Invictus at November 19, 2012 05:50 PM (OQpzc)

606 482
@ 471 Alex

Watch the Left become Pro Life once once the gay gene is found. SoCons will become Pro Choice. It will be interesting to watch.


Posted by: Free Twinkies

There are already pro-life gays.
prolifegays.blogspot.com
plagal.org

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 05:50 PM (dZ756)

607 @599

Still here , moby-troll?


time to moveon.org

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at November 19, 2012 05:50 PM (EZl54)

608 well JDP might be completely right. There was a "Section 28" (about "promotion" of homsexuality in schools) which was debated ten years back or so.

Maybe I misunderstood the debate.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:51 PM (LCRYB)

609 Jesus' genealogy was traced back to Adam. No mention of an Uncle Monkey.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 19, 2012 05:53 PM (BVkEs)

610 I have zero doubt that if abortion wasn't the central front in the culture wars, partial birth abortion would absolutely be illegal as it is plainly infanticide.

It's sort of a paradox in that because some people in the pro-life movement are so strident and ridiculous, it actually pushes people to be more pro-choice than they normally would.


You can thank the courts (and the legal profession for good measure).

But if you actually study this stuff as philosophy, you have to either say that life begins at conception as a philosophical/scientific matter, in which case a strident view is mandatory or you just fudge it and tell yourself a convenient story because you have to live in the real world of politics.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:53 PM (xSegX)

611 See?

This is what happens when you quit cutting people's heads off for bad mouthing your religion. The old ways are the best. It is hard to generate a lot of fear with a jello dish.

Posted by: Invictus at November 19, 2012 05:54 PM (OQpzc)

612 "541 Economic Conservatives and Libertarians vs. Social Cons and Necons. The battle has begun!"
Economic conservatives who jettison social conservatism often prove to lack convictions in all areas.

Posted by: Randy M at November 19, 2012 05:54 PM (vI8R6)

613
@527- I have no objection to what Rubio said. Intelligent people of science and faith can read his statement and take what they need from it.
I object to the question because the answer, no matter what he actually said, will be spun by the media to portray Rubioalternatively as a flat earther or as anti-creationsit, depending on the audience.
Its the fact that the media controls the narrative that bothers me.

Posted by: California Red at November 19, 2012 05:54 PM (icSBv)

614 I seriously wonder if the GQ reporter every paused when looking over his planned questions and said, "Am I really asking this question?".

Fundamentally unserious at life.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 19, 2012 05:55 PM (X/+QT)

615 609

0/10

Posted by: kartoffel at November 19, 2012 05:55 PM (OgNv0)

616 the promiscuity, drug use, and other behaviors are tolerated there in a way that the straight community does not.

This ain't the 70s. The gay (male) community has changed a lot since AIDS. That's why marriage is even a "thing" now. It used to be rank bigotry to suggest that gays should be allowed to marry.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2012 05:55 PM (xSegX)

617 What happens when Rubio runs and loses?

Posted by: then what at November 19, 2012 05:57 PM (Kflw4)

618 It used to be rank bigotry to suggest that gays should be allowed to marry.

Then they realized widows get free shit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 19, 2012 05:57 PM (hO8IJ)

619 What happens when Rubio runs and loses?
Posted by: then what at November 19, 2012 05:57 PM (Kflw4)

It'll be the socon's fault, of course. Man, lately it is like Nero has been reborn or something.

Posted by: Invictus at November 19, 2012 05:59 PM (OQpzc)

620 612
"541 Economic Conservatives and Libertarians vs. Social Cons and Necons. The battle has begun!"

Economic conservatives who jettison social conservatism often prove to lack convictions in all areas.

Posted by: Randy M

Often? Can you provide a few examples of prominent Eccons who have done so?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 06:03 PM (dZ756)

621
I like it. Stay on message until it sinks in with every voter and even "journalists": "We are on the verge of financial catastrophe. The fact that you think the age of the planet is of greater concern makes you a blithering moron." (Sorry, certainly don't mean that as an insult to the far superior Morons.)
Money, money, money. That's the way to get people to understand why conservatism is the only way to go. Well, those people who still choose to use their brains, anyway. I hope there are enough out there.

Posted by: A.M. at November 19, 2012 06:03 PM (iiKBz)

622 613, me too. Up here we call it the "media party". Never mind all the socon/fiscon bs, until we sort out the media problem we are fighting with one hand tied.

Posted by: TrueNorthist at November 19, 2012 06:04 PM (3Aixx)

623 Honestly, this thread and the Bret Stevens diatribe in the WSJ a couple of days back are almost enough to make me give up hope. Looks like we are entering a post-Christian era in this country, which will make many commenters here happy, apparently. But your dream of a secular Republican party and the abrasiveness with which you express it means the end of the Reagan Coalition. Good luck getting those votes you need for presidential elections.

Posted by: Cricket at November 19, 2012 06:04 PM (2ArJQ)

624 But if you actually study this stuff as philosophy, you have to either say that life begins at conception as a philosophical/scientific matter, in which case a strident view is mandatory or you just fudge it and tell yourself a convenient story because you have to live in the real world of politics.
Posted by: AmishDude

Your personal philosophy can be as strident as you want to be, but since when does that need to extend to our politics?

The Catholic Church is pretty clear about birth control, do Catholic voters then need to field candidates that want to make birth control illegal?

I just don't understand why a religious belief has to flow right into being made a law, especially since the idea that a democratic nation like the US would truly outlaw all abortion is the stuff of unicorns and leprachauns.

Posted by: McAdams at November 19, 2012 06:06 PM (tGgJ5)

625 I saw @verumserum discussing this three weeks ago on Twitter. I was pretty surprised at how anti-abortion "liberal enlightened Europe" is.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2012 05:41 PM (LCRYB)


Dont trust whatever you hear on abortionfrom Europe! The subject is treated like a dirty secret over there. There's less debate about abortion than about the European Union and thats saying something. And whats in the laws and how health bureaucracies and doctors handlethese lawsare completely different stories.There's a lot more baby-butchering going on than statistics show.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 19, 2012 06:06 PM (BpFmk)

626 The correct answer, and the answer Rubio almost gives, is "Who gives a fuck?"

Posted by: Mr. Sheep at November 19, 2012 06:07 PM (PPcR4)

627 616
the promiscuity, drug use, and other behaviors are tolerated there in a way that the straight community does not.



This ain't the 70s. The gay (male) community has changed a lot since
AIDS. That's why marriage is even a "thing" now. It used to be rank
bigotry to suggest that gays should be allowed to marry.

Posted by: AmishDude

I've had a considerable number of gay clients (I'm a land use lawyer and there's a lot of gay wealth in S.F.) who were elderly men who have been together for quite awhile because as they got older, they realized that monogamy and sobriety were the way to go. Frankly, marriage wasn't such a big deal for these guys given where they were in life -- just happy to have survived AIDS and stuff. My biggest issue was dealing with the queen in the relationship. Once a queen, always a queen.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 06:08 PM (dZ756)

628 "Often? Can you provide a few examples of prominent Eccons who have done so?
Posted by: SFGoth at November 19, 2012 06:03 PM (dZ756) "
The Governator. I'm not recalling more at the moment, just remembering being reminded of such before. But then again, Huckabee, so...Maybe it's more accurate to say wishy-washy republicans are more likely to parrot the media/left's anti- conservative christianity talking points?

Posted by: Randy M at November 19, 2012 06:11 PM (vI8R6)

629 "I just don't understand why a religious belief has to flow right into being made a law"
If you can't see how a belief about, say, transubstantiation differs from the definition of a human being, and why one would affect the laws supported and the other not, then I don't think you are seriously trying to understand the opposing point of view in good faith.

Posted by: Randy M at November 19, 2012 06:17 PM (vI8R6)

630 "The Hammer of the Gods will drive our ships to new lands, to fight the horde, sing and cry?"

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ledzeppelin/immigrantsong.html

Posted by: WarrenMuhfugginHarding at November 19, 2012 06:18 PM (pkkxZ)

631
GQ: How old is the earth?

Marco Rubio: Above my paygrade. Next question.

Posted by: If it's good enough for the Apostle Barack, it's good enough for Marco Rubio at November 19, 2012 06:22 PM (njnnp)

632 629

I think 99% of this is just the symbolism, SoCons want a nation that says abortion is illegal, even if the same amount of abortions occurred in the shadows.

I understand that, but in my opinion it's a quixotic bid that's doomed for failure in a now secular nation, and there's other battles we're losing because we're bogged down in this symbolic, abstract battle.

If you say lived in Europe where almost no political party has a "pro-life" wing to it, would you simply not vote and sit out elections because that's the only part of public policy you care about?

Posted by: McAdams at November 19, 2012 06:26 PM (tGgJ5)

633 isn't "McAdams" the same as that weirdo troll posting explicit messages under random Romney socks during the election?

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 06:29 PM (60GaT)

634 "especially since the idea that a democratic nation like the US would
truly outlaw all abortion is the stuff of unicorns and leprachauns."

Roe v. Wade was almost overturned in the early '90s, which would not have outlawed abortion but allowed states to set the restrictions on it they thought were appropriate.

but yeah, unicornz.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 06:31 PM (60GaT)

635 551-I'd love for you to explain to me why someone would choose a life of humiliation, rejection by family, and pain to love the same gender. Perhaps you could explain to me why two human beings engaging in consensual sex are a concern of the "smaller government" you supposedly want. And finally, could you explain to me how more Americans-many of whom have great gay friends and family members (or fellow servicemembers nowadays) are going to want to vote for your morality position (and our party goddamnit!) when you compare said consensual sex to bestiality?
@Free Twinkies, the debates of our times are done online. So this is more than venting of liberatarian/GOProud issues, but a vigorous debate in a wonderfully Moronic site. I'm proud to be a "dirty conservative" to quote a post from Ace I read back in high school

Posted by: Danny at November 19, 2012 06:32 PM (LZhxQ)

636 I'd like to join in the plan to invade New York in the longships. I'll swear my belief in Odin, Thor and anyone else to get a chance to participate. Is there a sign-up sheet, or a website for this?

Question -- do we need to supply all of our own gear?

Follow-up question: There aren't going to be any limits on the whole pillaging thing, right?

I'm really just curious. I'm in either way.

Posted by: Phinn at November 19, 2012 06:35 PM (m7mrm)

637 homosexuality obviously isn't a wake-up-one-day thing, no, though this standard "why would they choose such a terrible life" line of argument is a little overdone in this day and age.

I'm not convinced that 100% of people experience their sexuality as completely fixed though, however small that number might be. Isn't there a "B" in that LGBT acronym, or do people not take it seriously? There's people who have shifted without feeling religiously obligated to.

and people talk about the Kinsey scale, which sometimes leads to "everyone is bi" silliness, but some ambiguous people do seem to exist, even though of course it's impossible to see into their mind.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 06:38 PM (60GaT)

638 634 "especially since the idea that a democratic nation like the US would
truly outlaw all abortion is the stuff of unicorns and leprachauns."

Roe v. Wade was almost overturned in the early '90s, which would not have outlawed abortion but allowed states to set the restrictions on it they thought were appropriate.

but yeah, unicornz.

And individual states have since tried to pass abortion laws (again, purely for the symbolism) in even in bright red, rural states can't even get a majority of their voters to back them. I think South Dakota was the last state to try it and they failed.

I absolutely believe Roe vs Wade should be overturned and it's an outrage that the Supreme Court enshrined abortion as a Constitutional right, but the reality is, all 50 states would have some form of legal abortion on the books.

The whole thing seems futile to me, those who feel strongly on this issue should switch gears into being an advocacy group to change hearts and minds instead of pushing a legal solution against a majority of voters.

Posted by: McAdams at November 19, 2012 06:40 PM (tGgJ5)

639 and again whatever people think about "the social issues," this idea that a pure libertarian GOP is this electoral juggernaut is not borne out by anything

the problems you have with the GOP are not necessarily the same problems a lower-middle income white dude in the Midwest has with the GOP.

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 06:43 PM (60GaT)

640 again McAdams, pretttttty sure you're the same weirdo who flooded with all that graphic grossout shit during the election, so not real interested in your fake concern

Posted by: JDP at November 19, 2012 06:45 PM (60GaT)

641 "to quote a post from Ace I read back in high school"Dang, now I feel old.

Posted by: Randy M at November 19, 2012 06:49 PM (vI8R6)

642 639 and again whatever people think about "the social issues," this idea that a pure libertarian GOP is this electoral juggernaut is not borne out by anything

the problems you have with the GOP are not necessarily the same problems a lower-middle income white dude in the Midwest has with the GOP.
Posted by: JDP

I don't think a pure libertarianism is the answer, but we've seen several examples of conservatism succeeding in very "liberal" parts of the country once you take social issues off the table.

Does anyone for a minute believe Giuliani could have been mayor of NYC if he was pro-life? Or could Romney have been Governor of Massachusetts? When you keep the discussion to real things like budgets and taxes, Republicans can win.

I'm not saying "drop the social issues and we never lose another election" but if we continue with the same playbook, we're going to become a non-entity that's now even having problems winning in states like Indiana, Missouri, Virginia, Montana, etc.

Posted by: McAdams at November 19, 2012 06:51 PM (tGgJ5)

643 How about this response:

What you are really asking me is whether I seek to invalidate science with some irrational religious idea, to which I will respond:

In fact, I value science very much. Science is powerful and provides us with useful data about many things when used in the proper context - however fundamentally science is based on philosophy (an unscientific field), notably the philosophical epistemology of empiricism (which is predicated on the completely unscientific self-defeating proposition: "All knowledge is gained through sense experience."), and is based on many irrational or unjustified presuppositions (such as the assumption that the laws of physics will not, or cannot ever change or be altered), and relies upon induction (reasoning from the specific to the general, which obviously cannot provide necessary truths about anything).

So as you can see, while Science has many very practical uses, there are also things in which Science cannot even begin to speak, including the necessary logical justification upon which its on foundations depend.

This is where philosophy plays a major role, and religion is nothing more than a branch of philosophy. By in large, my philosophy (and religion) give me some very good justification and reasons to trust in the foundations of science. However, this doesn't always mean that the things that are considered scientific "fact" are or will continue to be true. Especially since the history of science is largely the DISPROVING of things which were previously considered accepted scientific fact.

So when you ask me a simplistic surface question about whether or not I agree with some specific point of science, I will answer when you can demonstrate SCIENTIFICALLY whether or not my answer will matter - since you first have to scientifically give me a reason that I and every single other thing you perceive are not simply constructs of your own mind.

Bitch.

Posted by: adc at November 19, 2012 07:05 PM (QRtGH)

644 Or he couldn't simply answered, "4.6 billion years. Next question."

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at November 19, 2012 07:26 PM (dM1NM)

645 heh #644 yeah.

"A pretty time ago, next."

Posted by: adc at November 19, 2012 07:33 PM (QRtGH)

646 *long time...

Posted by: adc at November 19, 2012 07:33 PM (QRtGH)

647 * lets all agree that about 1% of reporters are believers, so all the hard questioning to republicans can be compared and contrasted to the the pass they give to those hardcore mormans and catholics reid and pelosi.


Its a fucking facade for democrats, a hypocracy of epic proportions. but it is okay, because they lie for the right reasons after all.

I mean if one of them wants to schtupp an intern in the oval office, okay, they are down for the struggle after all.

Posted by: vikingsfan at November 19, 2012 07:42 PM (kOMUH)

648 Trying is guess how old the Earth is an exercise in futility. I'm pretty sure God doesn't wear a watch or use a calendar. I am a Christian and am perfectly happy to go with the flow on evolution... A day for the creator might very well be eons for us...lots of things can be happening at one time. I believe God set things in motion..... and things went into motion! Not that hard to digest if you think about it.

Posted by: State Dept. Spokesperson trying to figure it all out at November 19, 2012 07:54 PM (zvxqj)

649 God made Man. And Man made a monkey out himself.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 19, 2012 07:59 PM (BVkEs)

650 Of. Proof positive.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 19, 2012 08:00 PM (BVkEs)

651 The measured age of the earth is 4.56 billion years.

There are many who refuse to accept this fact.

They are the ones who have to answer for the consequences of their choice.

Rubio got the answer half right. The age of the Earth has nothing to do with the economy.

The part he got wrong, his evasive drivel, fits right into the idea that Conservatives are superstitious twits. If people think that is what you are, why should they pay any attention to what you have to say about the economy or anything else?


Posted by: eman at November 19, 2012 08:15 PM (AynOt)

652 Why would do liberals care so much about this question?

I could understand if Rubio was say on a big push for a federal law to teach Creationism, but otherwise it looks like a form of bigotry to me.

Oh, and clearly, Democrats are REALLY scared of Rubio. They know he's going to be the Latino Reagan.

Posted by: Jeepers at November 19, 2012 08:45 PM (XDRsa)

653


Republicans/Conservatives: STOP ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS UNTIL THE
FOLLOWING OCCURS:


When any faith oriented question is asked of you simply respond,
"Please direct your question to the Congressional Black Caucus. Once I have reviewed their answer I will
consider discussing my faith with you.”
Or, “Please direct your question to [any democrat of faith] and I will
review the answer and get back to you.”


Enough already.


Posted by: Gern at November 19, 2012 09:30 PM (nVDEx)

654 How about we start asking redistributionist Dems how they feel about Socialist policies, and crimes? Just as relevant. Or let them explain at legth how socialists are redistro, but they aren't.

Posted by: sherlock at November 19, 2012 09:48 PM (c0XJz)

655 if even the 'fresh young crop' of republicans want to talk crazy stuff like "gee...maybe it took seven days to create the universe...who knows??" then we're gonna be looking at democratic control for a long, longtime to come. for most folks, the scopes monkey trial are over and we're never going back there again.

Posted by: el polacko at November 19, 2012 09:58 PM (H+1aM)

656 ...issac newton?

he of the watchmaker deism?

he of the seventeeth-century enlightenment who explicitly rejected the nonsensical propositions of the divine-interventionalist miracles of the bible?

the same issac newton whose work in the occult was the only thing that surpassed his interest in natural philosophy?

that issac newton?

modern fundamentalists who reject the fairly straightforward science of standard cosmology as "lies from the pit of hell" are being compared to that issac newton?

what the fuck, ace?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 20, 2012 02:53 AM (79EF9)

657 I know it's a long dead thread, but I'm with you Ace. I'm an atheist who is disgusted beyond belief at atheists who think that their belief in no higher power makes them intellectually superior. Intolerance is intolerance, and it infuriates me.

I am not smarter than anyone because of my lack of belief in God. I also have found that religious people are usually nicer people to hang out with, and are far more tolerant of me than most of my "fellow travelers" would be of them.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at November 20, 2012 03:11 AM (75gAT)

658 Already the demonrats are running the 2016 election. Take out your oppoents early.

Posted by: Hawaii calls at November 20, 2012 04:52 AM (XHHiD)

659 It's a good answer on your part, Ace. I've pointed out to trolls before that in a book that talks about an awesome infinite mindboggling omnipotent Creator, why are they taking issue with talking donkeys?

Posted by: Scott at November 20, 2012 05:38 AM (ACWui)

660
Ace, as an atheist, how do you escapeexistentialdespair? The "leveling breeze" of approaching death and nonthingness described so well byCamus at the end of The Stranger?"Nothing, nothing had the least importance, and I knew quitewell why... From the dark horizon of my future a sort of slow, persistant breeze had been blowing toward me, all my life long, from the years that were to come. And on its way that breeze had leveled out all the ideas that people tried to foist on me in the equallyunreal years I then was living through." Figured you for an agnostic.

Posted by: Early Cuyler at November 20, 2012 07:25 AM (1QFtp)

661 I think GQ's question goes much deeper than all of this. It simply is John 15:18. It really is that simple. Once you understand that there are people that hate Christ and His followers, it is easy to figure out why they ask that question in the first place. Rubio's answer doesn't matter to them. They really could care less.

Posted by: rightwingva at November 20, 2012 11:10 AM (pDXql)






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