Obama 3 Days Ago: And If You Have A Problem With That, You Can Have A Discussion With Me
Obama Today: And If You Have A Problem With That, You Can Have A Discussion With the State or Defense Departments

Did I do that?

The White House yesterday denied it edited talking points about the terrorist attack that killed the American ambassador to Libya — contradicting remarks made a day earlier by disgraced ex-CIA chief David Petraeus.

...


The edits would have been made after the statements had left the CIA for review by the Defense and State departments, ultimately landing at the White House.

But instead of relaying what the CIA initially reported, UN Ambassador Susan Rice repeatedly insisted the attack was a spontaneous protest spurred by an American-made video depicting Prophet Mohammed as a pedophile.

One falsity in all this is this pretense that if it "comes from another department" the White House isn't involved. Are we pretending these people are entirely isolated from each other with a virtual fire-wall between them? No, these people are always talking. I think the White House helps "shape" things in State and Defense. And certain helps their idiot Clapper make the points they want him to.

Posted by: Ace at 03:59 PM



Comments

1 FIRST

Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 04:00 PM (bJm7W)

2 For Vic: First.

Posted by: Methos at November 18, 2012 04:01 PM (hO9ad)

3 Third?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 18, 2012 04:01 PM (5J54Q)

4

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 18, 2012 04:02 PM (5J54Q)

5 Darn. I can no has ampersands.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 18, 2012 04:02 PM (5J54Q)

6 yaaay

and what a bunch of crap. Try typing "abu ' into google this morning and "Abu Ghraib" comes up at number two. I guess "news" it whatever the beefsteak twinkie's fan club in the news media says it is.

Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 04:03 PM (bJm7W)

7 Damn. Seventh.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 04:03 PM (sdi6R)

8 When does Barky run out of other people to blame?

Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:03 PM (ICEh3)

9 He is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2012 04:03 PM (YEldU)

10 Liars lie. Its what they do.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 04:04 PM (YdQQY)

11 "Are we pretending these people are entirely isolated from each other with a virtual fire-wall between them?"


People who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid are not doing this, but for those who are, it's "suspension of disbelief" 24/7.

Short of physical force, I don't know how you make people who willingly disregard reality confront it. People can apparently live in denial without consequence, at least in the short-term. So they will.

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at November 18, 2012 04:04 PM (P2Ufm)

12
Darn. I can no has ampersands.

You'll get nothing and like it!

Posted by: Judge Smails at November 18, 2012 04:05 PM (bmBLU)

13 Obama being led out of the White House cuffed and under arrest next year is the ultimate moneyshot for the Constitution.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 04:06 PM (AynOt)

14 re 8: most likely, never.

Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 04:07 PM (bJm7W)

15 Betrayed and abandoned.

Four dead in Benghazi.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 04:07 PM (AynOt)

16 well, "we" aren't pretending. they are. because it works. hi ace.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 04:08 PM (0PiQ4)

17 Falsity. I love that these assh*les lie so much we have to get obscure to keep from being repetitive.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 04:09 PM (6JMZR)

18 I guess you aren't going to post about how the House Intel Committee chairman, who has been running this circus, just concluded that there was no intelligence failure, and that the administration got things right from the beginning:

“I’ll tell you, with a high degree of confidence today, there was no intelligence failure. They had it right, and they had it right early.”

That's what matters, not talking points.

Posted by: Jordan at November 18, 2012 04:09 PM (jRfn3)

19 Carl Clapper from Cleveland ??

Posted by: seamrog at November 18, 2012 04:10 PM (Rm0z2)

20
15Betrayed and abandoned.


Four dead in Benghazi.

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Betrayed, abandoned...and left to be slaughtered.

Four slaughtered in Benghazi.

Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:10 PM (ICEh3)

21 4 more years of this useless, orwellian clown. Still cant believe it...

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 04:11 PM (XlNXE)

22 Susan Rice? I didn't know we had oriental chicks working for us.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 18, 2012 04:11 PM (6JMZR)

23 No flunky will ever redact such documents unless ordered to do so.

The top guys caused this this whole thing from soup to nuts.

Obama, Clinton, and Panetta are the big three, followed by Rice and Jarrett. Patraeus is just a weak stooge.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 04:12 PM (AynOt)

24 Wouldn't it be nice if there were, like, actual adults in charge in Washington DC? Wouldn't that be nice?

Posted by: tcn at November 18, 2012 04:12 PM (VLG62)

25 Betrayed, abandoned,...and left to be gang-raped andslaughtered.

Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:10 PM (ICEh3)


Fify!

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 04:13 PM (XlNXE)

26 So what are the odds that Barky will get high level resignations and make recess appointments the week between Christmas and New Year's?

Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 04:13 PM (bJm7W)

27 26
So what are the odds that Barky will get high level resignations and
make recess appointments the week between Christmas and New Year's?


Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 04:13 PM (bJm7W)

Well, recess always WAS his best subject in school.

Posted by: tcn at November 18, 2012 04:14 PM (VLG62)

28 You don't think TFG will ever take responsibility for anything, do you? Because, he won't.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:14 PM (kpCLl)

29 So what are the odds that Barky will get high level resignations and make recess appointments the week between Christmas and New Year's?
Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 04:13 PM (bJm7W)

Zero. Too risky. Keep the gang together.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 04:14 PM (AynOt)

30 The buck stops here. Or, over there, somewhere. I can't be sure.

Posted by: Barry Obama at November 18, 2012 04:15 PM (bAGA/)

31 The Federal Empire marches on.

Up next: great news about the chocolate ration.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 04:16 PM (AynOt)

32
28You don't think TFG will ever take responsibility for anything, do you? Because, he won't.

Winning.
He takes responsibility for that, Peaches.

Oh...and jobs that he doesn't create.

Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:16 PM (ICEh3)

33 zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Posted by: The MSM at November 18, 2012 04:17 PM (pwyhn)

34 I wish Mo would beat the shit out of Barky.

Posted by: BignJames at November 18, 2012 04:17 PM (j7iSn)

35 You don't think TFG will ever take responsibility for anything, do you? Because, he won't.


Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:14 PM (kpCLl)


You didn't the memo?I take full responsibility getting Osama Bin Laden.

Posted by: President TFG at November 18, 2012 04:18 PM (1PE/J)

36 Our top story tonight: Rush Limbaugh double dips.

Posted by: MFM at November 18, 2012 04:18 PM (AynOt)

37 Losers. All of them.

Posted by: Jmel at November 18, 2012 04:18 PM (c+D8V)

38 4 more years of this useless, orwellian clown. Still cant believe it...
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 04:11 PM (XlNXE)
-------------------------------------------------
He won. I can't believe it either. There is really nothing that this lawless administration cannot get away with anymore. Buckle up, it is going to be a LOOOOOONG 4 years.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 04:18 PM (jucos)

39 "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the
Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my
Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
States."

So. Either Obama has broken his oath of office, or he is admitting he doesn't have the Ability to uphold it.


Posted by: starboardhelm at November 18, 2012 04:18 PM (hHgxI)

40 wheatie, I think he was as gobsmacked by his win as the rest of us were. I think he was more than happy to decamp to a swanky pad in Hawaii and live off his wealthy cronies for the rest of his pitiful life. He's happy to take credit for things that go right. I don't recall a single time he has ever taken responsibility for anything that didn't.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:19 PM (kpCLl)

41 You want a piece of this? You want a PIECE OF THIS???

Posted by: Barky O'He-man at November 18, 2012 04:20 PM (pwyhn)

42 Our science reporter has the latest update on the the recent surge in squirrel sightings.

Posted by: MFM at November 18, 2012 04:20 PM (AynOt)

43 So. Either Obama has broken his oath of office, or he is admitting he doesn't have the Ability to uphold it.

When his lips are moving, he's lying. No exceptions.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:20 PM (kpCLl)

44 So. Either Obama has broken his oath of office

His fingers were crossed. Roberts forgot to tell him "no crossies".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 04:21 PM (6JMZR)

45 I know this is going to sound crazypants, but I was always under the impression that all of the departments in the Executive Branch report to the head of the Executive Branch, who just so happens to be Obama. So. You know. He's ultimately responsible. I mean, he would be if the concept of responsibility had any application to Democrats.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 18, 2012 04:21 PM (Gk3SS)

46 UN ambassadors don't take a shit without it first being approved by the Whitehouse.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 18, 2012 04:22 PM (nAH+h)

47 You know that song/game "Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar ... not me... then who?"

That should be removed from our culture. Obama has perfected this. Steal the cookie, then start singing the song ... CIA stole the cookie, not me then who? Susan Rice stole the cookie ... etc. circular denial, never ends.

Posted by: Illini bill at November 18, 2012 04:22 PM (TacX2)

48 Hi Jordan! Is the Texas Legislature still in session?

Posted by: alexthechick at November 18, 2012 04:23 PM (Gk3SS)

49
40wheatie, I think he was as gobsmacked by his win as the rest of us were.

I'm still gobsmacked over it.
Millions of people stayed home because their delicate sensibilities wouldn't let them vote for Romney.
I'm trying very hard not to hate them.

Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:23 PM (ICEh3)

50
I am shocked, SHOCKED to find LYING going on in this White House.

Posted by: Capt. Renault at November 18, 2012 04:23 PM (3BbLJ)

51 UN ambassadors don't take a shit without it first being approved by the Whitehouse.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 18, 2012 04:22 PM (nAH+h)


I still want to know why the UN Ambassador is considered a cabinet level position.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 18, 2012 04:24 PM (Gk3SS)

52 Obama made the position of Ambassador to the UN a cabinet-level position. Rice reports to theWhite House, not to Hillary Clinton at State.

Chew on that for a while.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 04:24 PM (GoIUi)

53 @18
Jordan
If you're going to quote Politico, at least be honest about it and provide a link.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:24 PM (5H6zj)

54 I'm trying very hard not to hate them.

Embrace the hate girl. It warms me at night.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 18, 2012 04:24 PM (nAH+h)

55 Millions of people stayed home because their delicate sensibilities wouldn't let them vote for Romney.
I'm trying very hard not to hate them.

You are a far better person than I am, wheatie. I hate them with the heat of a thousand suns. If they were here, I would beat them senseless, every last one of 'em. Then I would spit on their fat, stupid, broken bodies. But, hey, nobody's every gonna put me up for miss congeniality.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:25 PM (kpCLl)

56 Relax. We got this.

Posted by: GOP at November 18, 2012 04:25 PM (AynOt)

57 So, slight OT, but is it just me or are other people seeing more Obama 2012 stickers on cars now than before the election?

Posted by: elizabethe at November 18, 2012 04:25 PM (ou/rY)

58 My god, it's full of walls

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 18, 2012 04:26 PM (0fxcV)

59 and the talking point change is just about the denial ... when do we get to who ordered the "stand down"? Or why security was reduced, and no one thought 9/11 might be a time to be on guard?

Obama is evasive on this too ... slippery lying fellow.

Posted by: Illini bill at November 18, 2012 04:26 PM (TacX2)

60 Jordan at #18--You forgot the other part of Roger's statement:

The problem came, according to Rogers, when the final set of unclassified talking points emerged and references to potential terrorist activity were removed, instead blaming a “spontaneous” demonstration on an anti-Islam film.

“There was a narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence we had,” Rogers said.

In other words, the CIA did it's job--but Obama and his flunkies lied through their teeth--after a pleasant evening of sitting on their hands while watching four brave Americans die.

Posted by: Burke at November 18, 2012 04:26 PM (CrqI6)

61 I still want to know why the UN Ambassador is considered a cabinet level position.


Posted by: alexthechick at November 18, 2012 04:24 PM (Gk3SS)

Its not.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 04:26 PM (YdQQY)

62
So, slight OT, but is it just me or are other people seeing more Obama 2012 stickers on cars now than before the election?





Posted by: elizabethe at November 18, 2012 04:25 PM

You mean the ones with the big "O" carved into the door?

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 18, 2012 04:27 PM (BAnPT)

63 Embrace the hate girl. It warms me at night.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 18, 2012 04:24 PM (nAH+h)


Yep, hate away! By now I see my divorce as a kind of training for emotionally handling this administration.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 04:27 PM (XlNXE)

64 See, people like Valerie Jarrett,* Tom Donilon and John Brennan, the uber-hacks of our national security policy don't make deletions to the documents, or make additions to them, or otherwise alter them.

They're like Hollywood producers. They give the screenwriters their notes on the script, almost never in writing. And God help you, if you don't incorporate their preferences into your work. But if someone else doesn't like the rewrite, well that's still the screenwriters' fault.

*Yes, the Madame DeFarge of the Obama administration is deeply involved in all national security issues. Remember, she opposed the bin Laden raid. On her advice, Obama backed off on two separate occasions, only the third time did he override her caution and go.

Posted by: Esau's Message at November 18, 2012 04:28 PM (6c62F)

65 Millions of people stayed home because their delicate sensibilities wouldn't let them vote for Romney.

Do we have any evidence of that? Anecdotally folks I talk to that didn't vote think it didn't matter (not so much Romney, but that DC is going to do what it wants and everyone sent to fix it goes native-and they don't really believe anyone in politics wants to fix it).

Posted by: Methos at November 18, 2012 04:28 PM (hO9ad)

66 BTW, Jordan, you completely misinterpreted Mike Rogers' point:


“I’ll tell you, with a high degree of confidence today, there was no
intelligence failure,” the Michigan Republican said on NBC’s “Meet the
Press.” “They had it right, and they had it right early.”

The problem came, according to Rogers, when the final set of
unclassified talking points emerged and references to potential
terrorist activity were removed, instead blaming a “spontaneous”
demonstration on an anti-Islam film.

“There was a narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence we had,” Rogers said.

Rogers also called Obama a big fat liar re the Petraeus thing:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/18/mike-rogers-petraeus_n_2155003.html

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:28 PM (5H6zj)

67 I still want to know why the UN Ambassador is considered a cabinet level position.




Posted by: alexthechick at November 18, 2012 04:24 PM (Gk3SS)

Its not.


Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 04:26 PM (YdQQY)


Oh yes, indeedy deed it is. Obama elevated it to a Cabinet level position. Clinton did the same, IIRC.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 18, 2012 04:28 PM (Gk3SS)

68 Our Benghazi Investigation/Immigration Reform Plan is ready to pounce on Obama and the Democrats like a tiger.

Posted by: GOP at November 18, 2012 04:29 PM (AynOt)

69
52Obama made the position of Ambassador to the UN a cabinet-level position. Rice reports to theWhite House, not to Hillary Clinton at State.

Chew on that for a while.

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Yup, Miss Marple....that he did.
Which means that he considers that job to in service of 'Him'...and not to the people.

It also placesthe UN Ambassador's position under the umbrella of Executive Privilege, doesn't it?

Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:29 PM (ICEh3)

70 Have one of my jesters alert the media to release an official proclamation.

Be sure to make a passing reference to Hulk Hogan's former best friend's wife.

Posted by: King Hussein the Magnificent at November 18, 2012 04:29 PM (mqdAz)

71 So, slight OT, but is it just me or are other people seeing more Obama 2012 stickers on cars now than before the election?




I'll be damned. I actually have, here in El Lay. It never really penetrated my consciousness until you pointed it out, elizabethe. Noticed it just yesterday on my way to the Target.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:29 PM (kpCLl)

72 Every place I know about, the Boss or the CO is ultimately responsible for everything that happens on his watch, every act of every subordinate. Except this White House. Funny, that.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 04:29 PM (6H6FZ)

73 I think they are still counting the votes and Mitt is now w/in 300,000 of McCain. Still not good enough, but I just wonder how many GOPers stayed home as opposed to the much sought after Indies not voting.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:30 PM (5H6zj)

74 Hit F1 for set up menu.

Posted by: ORCA at November 18, 2012 04:30 PM (AynOt)

75 Millions of people stayed home because their delicate sensibilities wouldn't let them vote for Romney.
I'm trying very hard not to hate them.


****

Well, you don't have to feel too bad then because Brit Hume tweeted a couple of days ago that the numbers continue to roll in and, at that point, Romney had drawn only 500k fewer votes than McCain in 08.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 04:31 PM (piMMO)

76 @73 or voter fraud, including trashing GOP ballots.

Not that anyone in the GOP cares about that.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 18, 2012 04:31 PM (3zQJl)

77 Obama 2016:
It's Not My Fault.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 18, 2012 04:31 PM (jfUIE)

78 Ace, et all...
New (heavy) tribute to the heroes of Benghazi and excoriation of the traitors that let them die.
ALL proceeds to Seal NSW Family Foundation
http://chriscassonetea.bandcamp.com
didn't know how else to get it to you

Posted by: Chris Cassone at November 18, 2012 04:31 PM (vxc4j)

79 5usc101


The Executive departments are:


The Department of State.

The Department of the Treasury.

The Department of Defense.

The Department of Justice.

The Department of the Interior.

The Department of Agriculture.

The Department of Commerce.

The Department of Labor.

The Department of Housing and Urban Development.

The Department of Transportation.

The Department of Energy.

The Department of Education.

The Department of Veterans Affairs.

The Department of Homeland Security.


Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 04:31 PM (YdQQY)

80
Of course they knew, they all knew within an hour or two. While it was still happening. To even consider any other possibility is a dereliction to logic, not even worth discussion.

The real question that must be answered is why the attempted cover up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 18, 2012 04:32 PM (3BbLJ)

81 I think they are still counting the votes and Mitt is now w/in 300,000
of McCain. Still not good enough, but I just wonder how many GOPers
stayed home as opposed to the much sought after Indies not voting.

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Even better. It was 500k a couple of days ago.

I wonder how much Obamas 8M gap closed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 04:32 PM (piMMO)

82 Thursday: "Oh yeh? Step outside"

Today: "I'm telling my MOM!!!!"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 18, 2012 04:33 PM (wwsoB)

83 Is anyone in SoCal in the market for a foster dog? Someone on my twitter feed is trying to help a servicewomen who is stationed in Afghan find a foster home for her boxer.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:33 PM (5H6zj)

84 Romney had drawn only 500k fewer votes than McCain in 08.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 04:31 PM (piMMO)

Sorry, not good enough. Not even in the same zip code as good enough. Romney should have blown that asshole McCain out of the water, numbers-wise. I am still having trouble processing the whole fuckin' thing.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:33 PM (kpCLl)

85 Gee, if Romney pulls even with McCain in votes...then IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT! YAY!

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 04:34 PM (6H6FZ)

86 At least Virginia voter watchers reported insane GOP turnout. I don't know who stayed home. In WI you had a state that repudiated lefty union thug somehow go lefty union thug this election with 500K new voters?

Maybe, if Romney had told Wisconsin, on the issues, I too am against the lefty union thugs, he'd have won. Or if Walker had tried to stop voter fraud too.

But whatever.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 18, 2012 04:34 PM (3zQJl)

87 I voted for Mitt.

2016 will likely pit some lame-ass Democrat against some equally lame-ass Republican.

I feel very inclined to sit that one out and LIB.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 04:34 PM (AynOt)

88
65 Millions of people stayed home because their delicate sensibilities wouldn't let them vote for Romney.


Do we have any evidence of that? Anecdotally folks I talk to that didn't vote think it didn't matter (not so much Romney, but that DC is going to do what it wants and everyone sent to fix it goes native-and they don't really believe anyone in politics wants to fix it).

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Evidence of what?
That people stayed home? ....Because they obviously did.

And it doesn't matter whatever 'excuse' they may give for it...we can thank them for allowing 4 more years of this madness.

Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:34 PM (ICEh3)

89 57
So, slight OT, but is it just me or are other people seeing more Obama 2012 stickers on cars now than before the election?





Posted by: elizabethe at November 18, 2012 04:25 PM

Encourage that, so when the economy goes into the shitter again and TFG's promises expire, everyone will know who to blame

Posted by: kbdabear at November 18, 2012 04:35 PM (wwsoB)

90 Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:33 PM (5H6zj)

Not off the top of my head, Y-not, but if you want to email me, I will give it some thought in the next few days. carolinvenice at teh hooya one.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:35 PM (kpCLl)

91 OT but Matt Schaub is FRIGGIN KILLING ME in FF this week.

66 pts for my opponent.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 04:35 PM (piMMO)

92
The sad thing is that no one with the ability to harmthe Presidentwill ever call him on any of this andhe will run the clock out with cool oval office photo ops with milennial pop icons.
Its important to keep at this for the history books, but Obama will suffer no political consequence over anything that happened. The election was proof that a section of thecountry big enough to re-elect Obama also doesnt give a shit about Benghazi or a fiscal cliff as long as the government tit is milking.

Posted by: MikeD at November 18, 2012 04:35 PM (p8QOg)

93
Somewhere in a small office in D. C. there is an assistant undersecretary of something or other whose ass is grass eventually over Benghazi.


Posted by: Meremortal at November 18, 2012 04:35 PM (1Y+hH)

94 Patreus, what the hapless fool he looks like in all this. I bet he was the submissive in his tryst with Broadwell and that she spanked him repeatedly

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 04:36 PM (0PiQ4)

95 http://bit.ly/TRVWx2

doggie link

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:36 PM (5H6zj)

96 Still...W got insane #'s out in 2004. Romney should've got those numbers too. He was more competent in image than W and more into the actual race than McCain.

I guess Rove's 72 Hour GOTV was better than 2008 and 2012.

If Romney had done this or that....sigh.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 18, 2012 04:36 PM (3zQJl)

97 Sorry, not good enough. Not even in the same zip code as good enough.
Romney should have blown that asshole McCain out of the water,
numbers-wise. I am still having trouble processing the whole fuckin'
thing.


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That's the thing. Despite the ravings of the folks who never liked Romney in the first place, he should have blown Obama out of the fucking water and certainly should have blown the 08 numbers out of the water.

Something is, simply, off about what happened.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 04:37 PM (piMMO)

98 Any liberal who rejoiced at the conviction of Scooter Libby should be very nervous now. It's payback time, baby.

Posted by: starboardhelm at November 18, 2012 04:37 PM (hHgxI)

99 wood county in Ohio had more voters than numerically possible, but whatever, Romney was right to concede right away, he wanted to beat traffic home.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 18, 2012 04:38 PM (3zQJl)

100 85
Gee, if Romney pulls even with McCain in votes...then IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT! YAY!
____
Not that, but it is important to ascertain who voted and who didn't.

It could be that he was kidding himself thinking he could win by going for Indies... either because the Indies were too lazy to vote or because in so doing he was too moderate and the "base" stayed home. Very different scenarios for same outcome.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:39 PM (5H6zj)

101 In other words, the CIA did it's job--but Obama and
his flunkies lied through their teeth--after a pleasant evening of
sitting on their hands while watching four brave Americans die.

Posted by: Burke at November 18, 2012 04:26 PM

Uh oh, looks like the troll didn't expect us to read the whole thing and Assholerod didn't give him follow up talking points


Posted by: kbdabear at November 18, 2012 04:39 PM (wwsoB)

102 Saint Lucie in Florida precinct 93 had 900 votes but only 7 registered voters.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 18, 2012 04:39 PM (3zQJl)

103 98
Any liberal who rejoiced at the conviction of Scooter Libby should be very nervous now. It's payback time, baby.
**
I'm sorry but you having been paying attention, the law doesn't apply to democrats, and will be applied mercilessly and humorlessly to republicans.

you must be new here
lolz

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 18, 2012 04:41 PM (3zQJl)

104 I feel very inclined to sit that one out and LIB.
Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 04:34 PM (AynOt)
-----------------------------------------------------------
I think LIB is already baked into the cake. Doesn't matter who runs and it doesn't matter who wins in '16. The whole thing comes crashing down by then.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 04:41 PM (jucos)

105 Right now we have a lot of people, both inside our party and also Libertarians and Dems trying to disrupt things, who are making assertions about who failed Romney. I see a lot of blame tossed at Evangelicals, with no evidence, for example. I'd like to see the data.

But one thing is clear, the Romney Team did not have a realistic assessment of what their turnout would be, because it's simply inconceivable that they'd be so stupid to try for same turnout as 2008. They had to know they needed bigger turnout than that.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:42 PM (5H6zj)

106
I voted for Romney, but I'm OK with Obama winning, I just couldn't vote for him.

I'm not about to get mad at cons who stayed home. Romney and Republicans would end up catching all the blame for the coming economic festivities.

Best to let Obama and Dems run with this and....

Let It Burn.

The idea that Romneyand this bunch of Republican chickens would havemade much difference is not supported by any recentevidence. By recent I mean the last20 years or so.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 18, 2012 04:42 PM (1Y+hH)

107 Unfortunately, Old Media demonstrated they still control enough of the landscape to forestall any news which might negatively impact Obama, and dragged him to victory. Don't expect much more coverage as this scandal unfolds, it is only getting what it is now because they've temporarily relaxed the massive figurative sphincter they've kept so tightly clenched for nearly a year.

They are engaged in a long celebration which will likely extend through the holidays, typically a time of year when less attention is paid to news and breaking affairs. After the first of the year, when Congress is back and dealing with the Fiscal Cliff and other budgetary issues, Benghazi will once again be squeezed out of coverage.

Posted by: Adjoran at November 18, 2012 04:42 PM (ZHQvg)

108 The story I keep getting is that no one tells Obama anything and he doesn't make decisions. Why is he getting paid?

Seriously, it took Valerie Jarret 4 times to sign off on killing bin Laden. FnF, etc. Obama "knows nothink" (ala Sgt. Shultz).

And I know that no sane person (perhaps only rules-puritan TC's Jack Ryan) would tell Biden anything.

This WH is scary on so many levels. It's sad that I have to deliberately stop thinking about them to get any peace in the day.



Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 18, 2012 04:42 PM (X/+QT)

109 "Disgraced" ex-CIA-chief.

Useful, blackmail. Even when it's exposed.

NARRATIVE. NARRATIVE.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 18, 2012 04:43 PM (bxiXv)

110 I think LIB is already baked into the cake. Doesn't matter who runs and it doesn't matter who wins in '16. The whole thing comes crashing down by then.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 04:41 PM (jucos)


I think that is true and it started to show itself November 6th.

I think millions of folks opted out not because they were butthurt or having a snit but because they are doing a political version of going Galt.

They are out and many more will join them before too long.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 04:44 PM (AynOt)

111 Something is, simply, off about what happened.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 04:37 PM (piMMO)

It sure as hell is, Niedermeyer. The whole think smells bad to me.

And, Y-not, I sent the link to the dadster, who is in San Diego and asked him to pass it on.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:44 PM (kpCLl)

112 NDH.. I agree. Something stinks to high heaven concerning this election. We will never know though. I chastised someone on my FB the day after the election when he said your vote didn't count (he was for Romney btw)... now sadly, I think he's right. It's fucking rigged. Until this voter fraud shit is cleaned up this will continue to happen. No one had the balls though.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 18, 2012 04:44 PM (u25eL)

113 And it doesn't matter whatever 'excuse' they may give for it...we can thank them for allowing 4 more years of this madness.


Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:34 PM (ICEh3)
I understand the pracitcal effect. I just mean in terms of diagnosing the problem.Which is a purely intellectual exercise. I'm in the Let It Burn crowd because I was already dubious there was much left to preserve this time around. There won't be 4 years from now.

Posted by: Methos at November 18, 2012 04:46 PM (hO9ad)

114 had= has

Posted by: jewells45 at November 18, 2012 04:46 PM (u25eL)

115 11
"Are we pretending these people are entirely isolated from each other with a virtual fire-wall between them?"


People who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid are not doing this, but for those who are, it's "suspension of disbelief" 24/7.

Short
of physical force, I don't know how you make people who willingly
disregard reality confront it. People can apparently live in denial
without consequence, at least in the short-term. So they will.


This clip seems apt:

http://tinyurl.com/ajmcnup

Posted by: Smash'em at November 18, 2012 04:47 PM (7Foks)

116 Thx Peaches.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:47 PM (5H6zj)

117 I'm OK with Obama winning, I just couldn't vote for him.

Are you fucking kidding me???? OMG. No words.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:47 PM (kpCLl)

118 And the filmmaker is still in fucking jail

Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2012 04:47 PM (oh1MB)

119 Anecdotally folks I talk to that didn't vote think it didn't matter

Well then, fuck them in the ass with a rusty crowbar. They'll find out soon enough that it did matter, then they'll whine about it, and I'll say something like "you're getting what you voted for, so STFU"

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 18, 2012 04:48 PM (nAH+h)

120 Thx Peaches.


Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:47 PM (5H6zj)
I'll send it tomorrow to my friend, who is big into the whole dog rescue thing. She's in LA, but I'm pretty sure the network is wide with those folks.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:48 PM (kpCLl)

121 I'm OK with Obama winning, I just couldn't vote for him.

Are you fucking kidding me???? OMG. No words.
Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:47 PM (kpCLl) _______ --------I understand, no problem.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 18, 2012 04:50 PM (1Y+hH)

122 "Are we pretending these people are entirely isolated from each other with a virtual fire-wall between them?"

Why not, we're pretending the election results match what we saw the last month of the campaign.

Posted by: angienc at November 18, 2012 04:50 PM (w3JGl)

123 And the filmmaker is still in fucking jail
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2012 04:47 PM (oh1MB)
------------------------------------------------------------
Well to be fair, he still has the poor peaceful muslims pretty upset. They are now forced to lob rockets into Israel they are so upset.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 04:50 PM (jucos)

124 118
And the filmmaker is still in fucking jail


And another guy is in jail for wearing some artsy-fartsy wristwatch he made.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 18, 2012 04:51 PM (nAH+h)

125 I am *not* OK with Obama winning. I just hope being in a red state helps us with the short-term stuff so we don't lose ground, but our long-term savings/planning are effed over.

Last week, my husband's management team was trying to decide how many hundreds of employees they'll have to let go because of Obamacare. He is so sad for those people. Because of the nature of their staffing, most of the layoffs will be in part-time employees. That means all these families around here where the wife works part-time to make ends meet and takes care of the kids the other time will be slammed.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:51 PM (5H6zj)

126 re: turnout

maybe Karl Rove was never a genius at all. Bush did lose the popular vote vs Gore. And the next win vs Kerry was due to Kerry's cluelessness and richie-richiness not bc Rove was the architect . how else do you explain his predictions for a landslide. maybe the Dems have held the majority since Clinton and that Bush only won by luck and running against dumbasses.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 04:52 PM (0PiQ4)

127 When does Barky run out of other people to blame?
Posted by: wheatie at November 18, 2012 04:03 PM (ICEh3)

------------>>>
Short answer: NEVER.

Barack Obama's supporters must adher to the contradictory principles that their God-King is a genius but is simultaneously a victim of a cabal conspiring to make him look bad. To paraphrase that renowned philosopher, Mongo (RIP), Obama is merely a pawn in the great game of life.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at November 18, 2012 04:52 PM (nYHk7)

128 Right now we have a lot of people, both inside our party and also Libertarians and Dems trying to disrupt things, who are making assertions about who failed Romney. I see a lot of blame tossed at Evangelicals, with no evidence, for example. I'd like to see the data.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:42 PM (5H6zj)


I dont think that this is a question of blame andI also believe that it was evangelicals and social conservativeswho stayed home. We actually dont know yet if its true, but if it is indeed true it would bethe fault of the Republican Party and the Romney campaign, who failedto mobilize these people. We have been intimidated into believing that social issues are a disadvantage, after they won us the 2004 elections. We basicly ran a single issue campaign on the economy, which we lost despite the state of the economy.

Compare this to the Obama campaign: Economic issues were definitely a disadvantage to them, but they showed up to fight on this issue anyway. They were more ideologically confident and more ruthless than we were and the way I seeour elections,these are usually the traits of winning campaigns.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 04:53 PM (XlNXE)

129 Whether the talking points were scrubbed by State or Defense or the White House itself is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether Obama knew it was a terrorist attack before he sent Rice out to make his case. If he did, then it was a cover-up, even if all he divery pessimistic about this story going anywhere beyod was refuse to intervene.

Alas, so what? At this point I feel so beaten up by the Alinskyites that I am very pessimistic about the truth ever coming out. Obama let 4 Americans die. His supporters say--so what?

Posted by: Cricket at November 18, 2012 04:53 PM (2ArJQ)

130 I understand, no problem.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 18, 2012 04:50 PM (1Y+hH)

You think you understand now, my friend? Give it time, you are about to have an education. I am just fuckin' dumbfounded that anyone could say what you did up there.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:53 PM (kpCLl)

131 Althouse quotes Lindsay Graham on Meet the Press:

... I think one of the reasons that Susan Rice told the story she did,
if the truth came out a few weeks before the election that our consulate
in Benghazi, Libya, had been overrun by an al Qaeda sponsored or
affiliated militia, that destroys the narrative we’ve been hearing for
months that al Qaeda has been dismantled, bin Laden is dead, we’re
safer.... [T]he story she told reinforced a political narrative helpful
to the president, but disconnected from reality....



The president said, why pick on her? She didn’t know anything about
Benghazi. She was the most politically compliant person they could
find.... Would this White House mislead the American people about
national security events? I think they might simply because when the
bin Laden raid occurred, they leaked every detail about the raid....



There are 10 militia groups all over Benghazi. I blame the president
for…making this a death trap. I blame the president for not having
assets available to help these people for eight hours. We need a select
committee not only to look at intelligence failures...

Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 04:53 PM (bJm7W)

132 Can I ask, why are people focusing on Karl Rove? Was he part of the campaign team? I thought he was just a pundit at this point.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:54 PM (5H6zj)

133 Also, how the hell does this keyboard thing work, anyway?

Posted by: Cricket at November 18, 2012 04:54 PM (2ArJQ)

134 >>And another guy is in jail for wearing some artsy-fartsy wristwatch he made.

To be fair, it is about time we gave the Fashion Police some real authority.

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2012 04:54 PM (YEldU)

135 Well then, fuck them in the ass with a rusty crowbar. They'll find out
soon enough that it did matter, then they'll whine about it, and I'll
say something like "you're getting what you voted for, so STFU"


Oh, I will too. I've already prepared my "If only more people loved their children enough to vote against Obama" lamenting for anytime they complain about the economy.

Posted by: Methos at November 18, 2012 04:54 PM (hO9ad)

136 Know what really ruins your day?

Radio stations playing the same Christmas songs over and over, and especially this one, the worst Christmas song ever made even worse, if that's possible

Click if you dare;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oTC63hgsiY

Posted by: kbdabear at November 18, 2012 04:55 PM (wwsoB)

137 My guess is that the folks who were leaning Romney or open to him as an option just didn't turn up and vote. I find it very hard to believe that an appreciable part of regular GOP voters stayed home.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:55 PM (5H6zj)

138 Y-not, I believe Rove was brought in by Mitt towards the end.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 04:56 PM (0PiQ4)

139 trying to decide how many hundreds of employees they'll have to let go because of Obamacare.

There must be something I am missing, because I truly don't get that. The "penalty" for not providing health insurance to your employees is, what, $3000 per employee per year (maybe $1300, I can't fuckin' remember). It's SO much cheaper than any pitiful contribution a company makes to the insurance now. Yes, I know it's just a ploy by the proggy-libtard fuckwads to drive more people to the socialist insurance collective, but if I had over 50 employees, I would pay that penalty in a heartbeat and pocket the diff.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:57 PM (kpCLl)

140 >>138
Y-not, I believe Rove was brought in by Mitt towards the end.

Oh Lord.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:58 PM (5H6zj)

141 Y-not, I believe Rove was brought in by Mitt towards the end.

Oh Lord.

Don't forget, he also hired that crapulous little shitbird who fucked up the election day thingie. ORCA? Epic fail? whatever they called it . . . I hope that guy's dick has already fallen off.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 05:00 PM (kpCLl)

142 There must be something I am missing, because I
truly don't get that. The "penalty" for not providing health insurance
to your employees is, what, $3000 per employee per year (maybe $1300, I
can't fuckin' remember). It's SO much cheaper than any pitiful
contribution a company makes to the insurance now. Yes, I know it's just
a ploy by the proggy-libtard fuckwads to drive more people to the
socialist insurance collective, but if I had over 50 employees, I would
pay that penalty in a heartbeat and pocket the diff.


Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:57 PM

There has to be a shitload more in the fine print that Nanny Botox had to pass to find out what's in it

The benefits people probably studied the bill and found a shitload more costs than a $3000 per year per employee penalty

Posted by: kbdabear at November 18, 2012 05:01 PM (wwsoB)

143 Honestly? I have already given our reasons for not voting.

The hardcore GOP Right Or Wrong boosters have read those reasons. They still say they hate me. Meh.

It's no longer my problem, what they think of my motives.

If anything it's liberating, joining the troll ranks.

Posted by: boulder hobo, remembering the debates at November 18, 2012 05:02 PM (rBB5w)

144 There must be something I am missing, because I truly don't get that.
The "penalty" for not providing health insurance to your employees is,
what, $3000 per employee per year (maybe $1300, I can't fuckin'
remember).
----
I don't know. It's a state institution so perhaps it has to do with a mix of how their budgeting is done (mix of revenue sources, including from the state which normally would be the main budget line for employees) and perhaps some regulations they're governed by. Perhaps a state institution cannot knowingly "break the law" or something.

He said one challenge they have, and again I don't know if it's from federal employment FLSA regs or something else, is even being given the option of hiring part-time employees or consultants. I gather that they keep trying to make them regular, non-exempt employees. He uses some consultants for special projects and always has difficulty explaining to HR or whoever why they are not regular employees.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 05:03 PM (5H6zj)

145
I think the deal is Peaches, is you don't want to lose your most valuable employees due to the costs of Okillercare, so you let the marginal ones go to cover the difference. Eventually though, they will have to go with the penalty just to compete, that's the way its designed, to lead to single payer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 18, 2012 05:03 PM (3BbLJ)

146
Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 04:53 PM (kpCLl)

Peaches, I have been well educated by Republicrats already.
What happened, happened. I had no effect, in fact I voted for Romney.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 18, 2012 05:04 PM (1Y+hH)

147 How about maybe in 2016 we run an actual conservative?


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 18, 2012 05:04 PM (0fxcV)

148 That Romney and Ryan were getting election results via CNN in their hotel rooms instead of from their guys on the ground speaks volumes about what a shitty incompetent campaign they ran. Even worse, they didn't realize until election night how much they sucked just like the rest of us. Plus voter fraud and doing nothing to combat it the last 4 yrs by our GOP govs.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 05:04 PM (0PiQ4)

149 Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 04:55 PM (5H6zj)

I really don't think it helped that in the last week he really stared hitting the whole "working with democrats" thing so heavily. It gave me a bad feeling when he said it and I know a lot of people who that would have turned completely off.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 18, 2012 05:05 PM (ou/rY)

150 How about maybe in 2016 we run an actual conservative?


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 18, 2012 05:04 PM (0fxcV)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Unpossible

Posted by: George H.W. Bush at November 18, 2012 05:05 PM (jucos)

151 Everything they do is political, primarily and sometimes solely. Every department has become political, primarily and sometimes solely.

Everything that comes out and is then reported on by the MFM is spun or lied about for maximum political benefit.

They don't know nothin? Bull fucking shit.

It's about as likely as Obama actually having won the election.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 18, 2012 05:06 PM (I2LwF)

152 My contribution alone is over $6,000/year. I have no idea how much my old company kicks in but I suspect it is a lot.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 05:07 PM (YdQQY)

153 BTW, although our UT legislature has voted to not set up exchanges - and sent a letter to that effect to our governor - we still don't have a decision from Gov. Herbert on that stuff. I guess the deadline has been extended by a month.

I'm a little worried he'll go wobbly. From what I've read, there's no advantage to a state to setting up the exchanges. Even CATO says they should let the Feds do it.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 05:07 PM (5H6zj)

154 Peaches I'm glad it's not just me. In DC I know have seen more Obama stickers.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 18, 2012 05:07 PM (ou/rY)

155 I really don't think it helped that in the last week he really stared
hitting the whole "working with democrats" thing so heavily.
----
He courted Indies and then didn't do what he needed to do to get them to the altar. That's my hunch.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 05:08 PM (5H6zj)

156 He said one challenge they have, and again I don't
know if it's from federal employment FLSA regs or something else, is
even being given the option of hiring part-time employees or
consultants. I gather that they keep trying to make them regular,
non-exempt employees. He uses some consultants for special projects and
always has difficulty explaining to HR or whoever why they are not
regular employees.


Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 05:03 PM (5H6zj)


Several states are trying to eliminate the move to make everyone contract employees by deeming anyone who works per contract for 90 days (some may be 180 I think) to be a full time employee. One of the ways companies are trying to avoid that is the 30 hour weekly max. Thus, full time is now 30 hours.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 18, 2012 05:08 PM (Gk3SS)

157 I still want to know why the UN Ambassador is considered a cabinet level position

Dems make UN Amb a cabinet post. Repubs make DCI/DNI a member. Almost seems a tradition, changing the titles on the chairs in the Cabinet Room.

Posted by: Fox2! at November 18, 2012 05:09 PM (1Qpmy)

158 I'm a little worried he'll go wobbly. From what I've read, there's no advantage to a state to setting up the exchanges. Even CATO says they should let the Feds do it.
Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 05:07 PM (5H6zj)

That's the way donned in VA is leaning too. He was talking about the states incurring costs it couldn't afford iirc.

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 18, 2012 05:09 PM (ou/rY)

159 >>138

Y-not, I believe Rove was brought in by Mitt towards the end.

***********************************************

This is how crap rumors get started -- Rove runs a SuperPac (American Crossroads) that was active during the campaign-- it would have been ILLEGAL for Romney to "bring him in" at *any* point during the campaign.

And trust me, if Romney had done anything that was *actually* illegal, the MSM would have made sure we heard about it.

Posted by: angienc at November 18, 2012 05:09 PM (w3JGl)

160 How about maybe in 2016 we run an actual conservative?


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 18, 2012 05:04 PM (0fxcV)Who knows, we may. It won't matter. The idea thatour fiscalsituation can be ameliorated by political ideology is mistaken.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 18, 2012 05:10 PM (1Y+hH)

161 It's fucking rigged. Until this voter fraud shit is cleaned up this will continue to happen. No one had the balls though.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 18, 2012 04:44 PM (u25eL)


Which is goddamned maddening. A LOT of people distrust the system now, and by "distrust the system" I mean are stockpiling food and ammunition.

This is not trivial, it's not an internet meme. We joke about corruption but this shit is not funny. We lose vote integrity and people will die, because there are people on the edge who take that shit a lot more seriously.

And that is about the worst possible outcome *for everyone*. There is no "we'll be the ones to rebuild an honest system after," there is no after, that's Polyanna horseshit. The fire doesn't cleanse you, it eats you.

I am *totally* in favor of people being wary of government, and watching it like a hawk, and being prepared. But if you don't do anything about corruption when you find it, something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 18, 2012 05:11 PM (bxiXv)

162 re 136: song is pretty crappy, and it almost immediately made me think if was almost inspired by this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qoi25XRDeeofeature=fvst

and "Have a Jolly Holly Christmas" is almost enough to make me throw up

Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 05:12 PM (bJm7W)

163 Some folks think the GOP has plenty of presidential elections to turn things around.

Some, like I, think they have one more shot and only if they run a Conservative, and it's a long shot.

Others think voting is a waste of time. Those folks made their voices heard two weeks ago.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:13 PM (AynOt)

164 I meant the first bad song almost sounded like a rip-off of the other one. Anyway, they both stink

Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 05:13 PM (bJm7W)

165 First!

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 18, 2012 05:14 PM (bJm7W)

166 Frankly, I have no hope left for this country. There are no adults anymore. Things like honor, shame, truth, and decency are meaningless. No one on either side is willing to tell the public the hard truths. Everything is a never ending game of Team Red vs. Team Blue. Where are the leaders willing to make the tough choices for the good of the country? I have never been this cynical in my life.

There is no way out.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 18, 2012 05:14 PM (s/PhC)

167
The more Republicans fail us, the more we demand of them.


This is an exercise in futility.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 18, 2012 05:15 PM (1Y+hH)

168 Also, the Obamacare costs are a LOT more than the penalty. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The regulatory changes are already putting people out of business.

2 jobs at 28 hours a week with no benefits unless you can afford it on your own dime is the new normal. It will take a little time to get there, but we will.

Also, if you were already looking for a job and had *any* negs, like health issues, timw away from the market, no degree... you are FUCKING BONED now because hundreds of thousands of people who were just working regularly just hit the market.

Yeah, just in time to Be Of Good Cheer.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 18, 2012 05:15 PM (bxiXv)

169 lots of adults and wise-beyond-their-years children. Just not enough at the moment.

Posted by: mallfly at November 18, 2012 05:15 PM (bJm7W)

170 General W

It looks like the GOP is embracing Rubio in a sombrero as the panacea to fix our Hispanic problem. His sprint to Iowa post election tells me he has his sights set for 2016. meanwhile, Hilary is stepping down from her sec of state gig preparing for her run for office. We won't win bc media will paint Rubio as a fake Hispanic. So we have first woman pres vs first Hispanic pres. Voter fraud and media tilt the election.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 05:18 PM (0PiQ4)

171
Something is, simply, off about what happened.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

I agree with Niedermeyer. since it doesn't seem any journalist in America is even concerned with any of this, I did some important research to investigate all of these strange things.....and I discovered the following:

Neidermeyer's horse, Trooper, was portrayed by Junior, who subsequently appeared in The Black Stallion as the horse Napoleon.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 18, 2012 05:19 PM (PALjS)

172 Primaries start in three years.

Jindal

Bush

Rubio

Ham Sandwich

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:19 PM (AynOt)

173 I hope that we don't get so tangled in trying to unwrap the cover up that we lose sight of the actual disaster in Benghazi. I think it is far more important to find out what the Administration response was at the time and why no help was sent. We need to get a who knew what and how did they respond timeline for the 11th, 12th, and 13th.

They cover up is simple and obvious. Obama sent Rice out to lie to keep the heat off until after the election. Proving it to the Otards is impossible. It won't matter and they won't care and it was just smart politicin'.

Now if you want to tie the nature of the cover up (it was the video!) to Obama as an assault on the 1st Amendment there might be a wedge to use between the Dems and the civil liberties types.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 05:20 PM (BF5Y9)

174 This clip seems apt:

http://tinyurl.com/ajmcnup


Posted by: Smash'em at November 18, 2012 04:47 PM (7Foks)Yeppers, although any excuse to watch that clip is apt.

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at November 18, 2012 05:20 PM (P2Ufm)

175 "Obama 3 Days Ago: And If You Have A Problem With That, You Can Have A Discussion With Me
Obama Today: And If You Have A Problem With That, You Can Have A Discussion With the State or Defense Departments"

Poofs/Leftists are probably prone to flip-flopping, not keeping their word, and saying stuff they don't mean just because it sounds good/"cool" or might help them in the short-run.

"The White House yesterday denied it edited talking points about the terrorist attack that killed the American ambassador to Libya — contradicting remarks made a day earlier by disgraced ex-CIA chief David Petraeus."

Oh, so now it's a "terrorist attack." Reality is finally progressing, I guess. Why the Soviet Union are "talking points" even a real thing in American politics? (And David Petraeus is pretty much the least "disgraced" person to have anything to do with Obama and the Obama administration.)

"But instead of relaying what the CIA initially reported, UN Ambassador Susan Rice repeatedly insisted the attack was a spontaneous protest spurred by an American-made video depicting Prophet Mohammed as a pedophile."

That's weird. Why did she do that?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:21 PM (hhVWg)

176 Posted by: kbdabear at November 18, 2012 04:55 PM (wwsoB)

Oh, god, you weren't kidding. I dared, and I am soo soo sorry.

Posted by: kalneva at November 18, 2012 05:21 PM (S+/pH)

177 I won't vote for a guy like Mitt ever again.

The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit.

The Democrat Machine mows it down.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:21 PM (AynOt)

178 Jindal



Bush



Rubio



Ham Sandwich





Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:19 PM (AynOt)

I would like to throw Tom McClintock into the mix, just in case we ever decide to field an *actual* conservative. I heart him.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 05:23 PM (kpCLl)

179 His sprint to Iowa post election tells me he has his sights set for 2016.

*panting, out of breath* Not so fast. *panting, out of breath* Who gets invited on SNL more often? *panting, out of breath* Who is more likely to reach across the aisle and pull the rug out from under another Republican? *panting, out of breath*

That's what's important to voters.

Posted by: Chris Christie, clutching 30 pieces of silver like a Twinkie at November 18, 2012 05:24 PM (feFL6)

180 I would like to throw Tom McClintock into the mix, just in case we ever decide to field an *actual* conservative. I heart him.
Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 05:23 PM (kpCLl)

Fine with me, but the folks who obsess over resumes will pout and sneer for sure.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:24 PM (AynOt)

181 Chris Christie, clutching 30 pieces of silver like a Twinkie at November 18, 2012 05:24 PM (feFL6)
----------------------------------------------------------
You are not on a trajectory to make it to 2016.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 05:25 PM (jucos)

182 "How about maybe in 2016 we run an actual conservative?"

I'm next in line!

Posted by: Rick Santorum at November 18, 2012 05:26 PM (UKXMx)

183 75% of the votes for Mitt were actually votes against Obama.

That's just a guess I make, but I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:26 PM (AynOt)

184 Eleventy Seven

Posted by: Yip at November 18, 2012 05:26 PM (Mrdk1)

185 I QUIT!

Posted by: Chris Christie's Fat Encased Heart at November 18, 2012 05:27 PM (jucos)

186 But if you don't do anything about corruption when you find it, something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Merovign

Working through the government has resulted in nothing being done.
What would you recommend that folks do when the DOJ will not investigate/charge/prosecute?

Ditto The House. Ditto The Senate. Ditto the State Houses.

PA House WILL NOT INVESTIGATE VOTING IRREGULARITIES IN PHILLY.

WTF do else you do when the Government is the one fucking with the vote?

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 05:28 PM (SP4jC)

187 "Posted by: Chris Christie, clutching 30 pieces of silver like a Twinkie at November 18, 2012 05:24 PM (feFL6) "

So, again, how exactly did Chris Christie do himself any selfish favors by not being a dick to Obama (in keeping with the Romney campaign's strategy)?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:28 PM (hhVWg)

188
A few numbers on health care from a briefing our company had on Friday.
First of all, the insurance group that is covering us (Anthem Blue Cross), is trying to push everyone into a Health Care Savings account (HSA), because they will actually get paid LESS in premiums and make it easier for them to be profitable. More of the burden will be on the user/family to pay for costs through the HSA
Conventional Health Insurance will be $254/month paid for by employee (that is for a family plan), which is 20% of the premium, the balance (80%) is paid for by my company:
12 monthsx $254/month = $3048 year employee premium paid
That is 20% of : $15,240 (total, $12,192 paid for by employer)
Which is the TOTAL health care insurance premium for a family for one year.

The HSA is $85 / month, with the company comping on 90% of this (as they are trying to push the HSA) which comes to :
12x85 = $1020 / year (employee cost/deductionpaying for family converage)
$10,200 total costs for insuring a family for one year (with an HSA, which has pretty high deductibles). $9180 paid for by employer, about $3000 less than the full "regular" plan.

Which also does not accout for contributions (which you should make) into an HSA account. The individual (family) should pay at least $2000 a year into the HSA account.

The curve is bending, but we are the ones that are getting bent. This is actually getting pretty ridiculous. And you MUST have health coverage, and this will change again (for the worse) in 2014.

Thanks Barack!!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at November 18, 2012 05:28 PM (RFeQD)

189 "182 "How about maybe in 2016 we run an actual conservative?"

I'm next in line!

Posted by: Rick Santorum at November 18, 2012 05:26 PM (UKXMx) "

Yeah. The Establishment(s) love(s) Rick.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:29 PM (hhVWg)

190 Irony: voters who are completely ignorant of actual history are swayed by "making history" to vote for Obama.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 05:29 PM (0PiQ4)

191 "183 75% of the votes for Mitt were actually votes against Obama.

That's just a guess I make, but I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:26 PM (AynOt) "

Perhaps more.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:30 PM (hhVWg)

192 National Security Advisor is Donilon, whose only expertise prior to this jab was as a lawyer and a lobbyist.

Thats the same position Kissinger held. It the sort of position that requires you absorb intel. He works directly for the POTUS.

Why hasn't someone asked him? He is the most likely candidate to change it, and to know who asked him to.

Yet he is the only one that has not made a statement or been available for questioning. We have heard statements from POTUS, Rice, Clinton, Gen Ham, and Petraeus.

Why not Donilon?

Posted by: thunderb at November 18, 2012 05:31 PM (Dnbau)

193 The ObamaCare disaster by the Supreme Court probably made more folks say Fuck it let it burn than it made folks say vote GOP or die.

After all, voting GOP in 2000 and 2004 ultimately got us the ObamaCare ruling in 2012.

WTF good is voting GOP?

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:31 PM (AynOt)

194 I welcome the SMOD... bring it on... and may it hit a blue state please

Posted by: Yip at November 18, 2012 05:32 PM (Mrdk1)

195 Do you really think there's some politician out there on our side that can change things? I don't. I think the American people like free shit and have never had to suffer. They think the gravy train will never end and are unwilling to listen to reason. Until people go hungry and actually suffer there will be no change.

Sadly, I think this all ends in a veil of tears. Does anyone actually think some Jeffersonian Democracy will leap forth from the ashes? More like a despotic tyranny with a strongman that makes the people feel "safe." They will trade freedom for safety in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 18, 2012 05:33 PM (s/PhC)

196 This is the most embarrassing episode ever. From day one the 'video' lie didn't pass the laugh test, but they just kept on.. and 100% of the media bought it.. including people who should know better.. (John and Ken on KFI actually interviewed actors from 'the video' to say how they'd been 'duped' into making a hate film... BAHAHAHA)

The media and anyone else who is part of this charade should all just kill themselves.

The people at the white house are so beneath contempt its a fucking joke. They make up new shit every day and people are actually pretending this isn't a big clusterfuck. A 1st grader would understand that his story has become an embarrassment at this point and just fess up. JESSUZZ

What is wrong with people? oh yeah, they voted for the SCOAMF again. Sorry, I figured logic played a role again. my bad

Posted by: At the end of my rope at November 18, 2012 05:33 PM (YAGzS)

197 Everything in the Middle East was going just great. Then that Tea Party guy had to post a YouTube video about Mohammed.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at November 18, 2012 05:33 PM (pwyhn)

198 "190 Irony: voters who are completely ignorant of actual history are swayed by "making history" to vote for Obama.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 05:29 PM (0PiQ4) "

Leftists have reduced history (and politics) to a bunch of Firsts!. First Black Muslim Lesbian to use a tampon, etc.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:34 PM (hhVWg)

199
Neidermeyer's horse, Trooper, was portrayed by Junior, who
subsequently appeared in The Black Stallion as the horse Napoleon.


****

I.did.not.know.that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 05:34 PM (piMMO)

200 Long long long weekend. I had to my semi-annual physical readiness test for the Navy, no big deal but not my favorite part of the day. And we lost one of our DR's and a real good one. He had just gotten back from Afghanistan and developed an osteosarcoma and passed away within 5 weeks. It is always the good that die young.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2012 05:35 PM (jE38p)

201 Ya know, if Allen West isn't very careful, he could end up revealing the methods by which the whole damn thing was lost.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 05:35 PM (piMMO)

202 #172/#178

Don't forget to throw SMOD into that 2016 mix...

Folks, let me tell you, the third cocktail of the afternoon really helps all this...

Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at November 18, 2012 05:35 PM (Qzw1H)

203 Little Boots is racking up a body count and has a loyal guard to do his dirty work for him. For now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 18, 2012 05:36 PM (24ia6)

204 >>Trooper, was portrayed by Junior, who subsequently appeared in The Black Stallion as the horse Napoleon.

and bothwere later featured in a box of 'Moist and Meaty'.

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2012 05:36 PM (XUFM+)

205
Irony is right, and that's not something that they do to your clothes in a Chinese laundry.

I have several friends (peers) that are in their '50's that are/ were all thrilled about the "historic" first regarding the election of BHO in 2008.

Egads, are people that dense? And the answer is a resounding "YES!
".

The culture and the notion that America is TOO BIG to fail has done us in.

It's easy revisionism to blame "The Bushes", Romney, McCain, Karl Rove, and a host of other easy targets. But the tide of decaying amoral culture has destroyed us from within. The rot is deep and vast." Letting is burn" will probably hasten the day when we will have an even uglier authoritarian government without even the attempt to appear to be a Republic with democratic institutions.


It's possible that momentum will carry us through for a few more years, and the fact that much of the rest of the world is even more screwed up economically. We are fortunate beyond belief that the US Dollar is still the world's reserve currency.


When the day comes and the dollar is replaced by (probably) the Yuan-Reminbi as the world's reserve currency, then on that day, people will realize just how screwed we are. Terrible upheavel here will follow.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at November 18, 2012 05:37 PM (RFeQD)

206 OT: Time to re-evaluate all the blame put on Romney and ORCA.

http://bit.ly/S4cgwk

ANONYMOUS CLAIMS THEY HACKED GOP ON ELECTION DAY

Mitt Romney's Republican Get Out the Vote system (ORCA) had a meltdown on Election Day leaving some campaign workers wandering around with nothing to do. Now Anonymous has released a video claiming responsibility for jamming ORCA. Anonymous has also hacked some 700 major Israeli websites during the current Hamas-Israel war.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 18, 2012 05:37 PM (vUK/h)

207 Everything in the Middle East was going just great. Then that Tea Party guy had to post a YouTube video about Mohammed.


*****

Speaking of the Tea Party.

Did anyone else hear Bill Krystol say, on FNS, that most Tea Party members don't really care if a handful of millionaires have their taxes raised?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 05:37 PM (piMMO)

208 @201.... I was just thinking the same thing.... I think the donks stole the freakin whole tamale.... that's what it becoming apparent to me in my house right now as I think and have a nice drink or three... freakin' donks... damn.. in broad daylight... they shamlessly commit voter fraud and scream like stuck pigs when confronted... angry it make me...

Posted by: Yip at November 18, 2012 05:38 PM (Mrdk1)

209 206
OT: Time to re-evaluate all the blame put on Romney and ORCA.



http://bit.ly/S4cgwk



ANONYMOUS CLAIMS THEY HACKED GOP ON ELECTION DAY
----
I question the timing.

Seriously, of course they're going to make that claim. Doesn't prove a thing.

Moreover, if the fault lies in the campaign not having the system rolled out in time for tests and not having a back up plan, also tested.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 05:39 PM (5H6zj)

210 @207...yes, I did read that...and like so many of the smart guys inside the beltway, he's dead to me...newspaper-wrapped fish on the way...

Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at November 18, 2012 05:40 PM (Qzw1H)

211 198 MUMR

Hahahahahaaaaaa! If the Rubio in a sombrero wont sell vs Hilary as 1st wymen pres, what would?

do we have any conservative Black Muslim women to use tampons and swallow birth control pills by the handful among our ranks?

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 05:41 PM (0PiQ4)

212 "The culture and the notion that America is TOO BIG to fail has done us in.


Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at November 18, 2012 05:37 PM (RFeQD)"

I wish I had a nickel for every Leftist bullshit scheme which they justified by screeching "America is the richest country on Earth, we ought to be able to do X!"
Meanwhile, never once did it occur to them that, just maybe, the reason we became the richest country on Earth was because we WEREN'T doing X.

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at November 18, 2012 05:42 PM (P2Ufm)

213
Did anyone else hear Bill Krystol say, on FNS,
that most Tea Party members don't really care if a handful of
millionaires have their taxes raised?


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 05:37 PM (piMMO)

Yup.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 05:43 PM (kpCLl)

214 54 I'm trying very hard not to hate them.

Why? They have worked very hard to earn it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 18, 2012 05:44 PM (BZS/z)

215 "211 198 MUMR

Hahahahahaaaaaa! If the Rubio in a sombrero wont sell vs Hilary as 1st wymen pres, what would?

do we have any conservative Black Muslim women to use tampons and swallow birth control pills by the handful among our ranks?

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 05:41 PM (0PiQ4) "

Frum is close enough.



(Rubio's ok, as long as he isn't marketed in some sort of Leftist way.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:44 PM (hhVWg)

216 The whole Republican party is running around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. It's Mitts fault, it's voter fraud, we didn't attract minorities, we should have skipped the social issues,we didn't turn out... blah,blah,blah.. I'm as bummed as the next guy/gal... but enough of all these naysayers giving these interviews pointing blame at each other. We lost. End of story. Let's give it some time ...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 18, 2012 05:44 PM (9+ccr)

217 They will trade freedom for safety in a heartbeat.

I've pretty much resigned myself to starving to death to make the point when the time comes.

If that's even an option.

Posted by: Methos at November 18, 2012 05:44 PM (hO9ad)

218 Riddle me this, morons.

How can Allen West be crying election fraud in a state with a GOP governor, a GOP attorney general, and in a district gerrymandered for a safe GOP win?

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 18, 2012 05:45 PM (UKXMx)

219
Everything is Backwards. SNAFU. We're boned, screwed, blued and tattooed.

We had a nice run for a while. Damn, I miss Joe McCarthy. The ridicule that was used to make him look like a fool worked really, really well.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 18, 2012 05:45 PM (lOmbq)

220 I'm as bummed as the next guy/gal... but enough of all these naysayers
giving these interviews pointing blame at each other. We lost. End of
story. Let's give it some time ...

---

Pretty much.

Less talk, more thinking. (I think Kaus may have said that.)

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 05:45 PM (5H6zj)

221 Truth -- how the fuck does it work?

Posted by: Hussein Clown Posse at November 18, 2012 05:45 PM (F6Djx)

222 The IDF has hit more than 1,100 terror targets in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of Operation Pillar of Defense. Some 130 of those were hit on Sunday. A total of 540 rockets exploded in Israel since Wednesday, 31 of which exploded in urban areas.

More than 70 rockets exploded in Israel on Sunday, four of which hit urban areas. Some 285 rockets were intercepted by the Iron Dome system since the beginning of the operation.


barrage of rockets heading to southern Israel now

Posted by: thunderb at November 18, 2012 05:45 PM (Dnbau)

223 "216 The whole Republican party is running around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. It's Mitts fault, it's voter fraud, we didn't attract minorities, we should have skipped the social issues,we didn't turn out... blah,blah,blah.. I'm as bummed as the next guy/gal... but enough of all these naysayers giving these interviews pointing blame at each other. We lost. End of story. Let's give it some time ...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 18, 2012 05:44 PM (9+ccr) "

And it makes us look bad. No one is going to love the party of the circular firing squad. Not us. Not our enemies. Well, ok, our enemies.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:46 PM (hhVWg)

224
57So, slight OT, but is it just me or are other people seeing more Obama 2012 stickers on cars now than before the election?
Maybe its just me and you and the wife. Before the election we talked about the scarcity of Obama stickers. Friday, she asked if I'd noticed all the new ones sprouting post-election. I had. One more view into the mind of poor "winners."

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 18, 2012 05:46 PM (9vU0/)

225 Clyde Shelton at November 18, 2012 05:37 PM (vUK/h)

*******************************************

Rhoades said in that conference call with the MSM the day after the election that the problems with ORCA occurred because the system "thought it had been hacked" so they had to shut down, reboot and that all took about 90 minutes. I thought it was odd the way he phrased that -- the system "thought" it had been hacked -- as if he meant he thought the system had been hacked but just couldn't prove it.

The MSM, of course, completely ignored what he said to make sure the story was how Romney "failed" and the GOP has taken the MSM's story as gospel. Because, you know all those huge crowds Mitt got -- at Red Rocks, at OH, PA, NH, VA -- the ones that were larger and more enthusiastic than the ones Obama got even with his back up singers Jay-Z, Springsteen and Katy Perry -- or even all those left-leaning newspapers (such as the Des Moines Register) flipping to endorse Romney -- all that didn't actually happen or mean what we all thought it meant.

Why the GOP is so happy to throw Romney under the bus and ignore the obvious problems with the *results* of the election (as well as ignoring the results of the West/Love elections as well) has become apparent to me in the last few days -- if Romney/Ryan won, they'd actually tackle entitlement reform and that's the last thing the GOP wants. They don't mind pandering to minorities for votes -- they're just upset that the Dems have the market cornered.


Posted by: angienc at November 18, 2012 05:47 PM (w3JGl)

226 It's like he never takes responsibility for anything.

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 05:47 PM (z9HTb)

227 The only solace I have is that asshole liberal trolls like dear Hymen will suffer the most when the shithammer falls. I am sure he doesn't know which end of the tube the round comes out of. Their only skills are snark and sycophancy and neither will put food on the table.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 18, 2012 05:49 PM (s/PhC)

228 Posted by: angienc at November 18, 2012 05:47 PM (w3JGl)

I think you're on to something here, angienc. Very dispiriting, but probably true.

Posted by: Peaches at November 18, 2012 05:49 PM (kpCLl)

229 Riddle me this, morons.

How can Allen West be crying election
fraud in a state with a GOP governor, a GOP attorney general, and in a
district gerrymandered for a safe GOP win?


****

The only answer that question deserves is....

So, clearly, you haven't read ANYTHING about the recall fight.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 05:50 PM (piMMO)

230 Bush/Akin 2016 - Legitimate

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:50 PM (AynOt)

231 "230 Bush/Akin 2016 - Legitimate

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:50 PM (AynOt) "

Frankly, that works for me.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:51 PM (hhVWg)

232 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 18, 2012 05:45 PM


********************************************************

Answer, actual moron: the district isn't gerrymandered for a "safe" Republican win -- in fact, it's just the opposite.

And the fact that you assume a GOP governor means there would only be voting fraud helpful to GOP candidates is what psychologists call PROJECTION.

Posted by: angienc at November 18, 2012 05:51 PM (w3JGl)

233 "227
The only solace I have is that asshole liberal trolls like dear Hymen
will suffer the most when the shithammer falls. I am sure he doesn't
know which end of the tube the round comes out of. Their only skills
are snark and sycophancy and neither will put food on the table.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 18, 2012 05:49 PM (s/PhC)"

Snarky, sycophantic and liberal is no way to go through life, son.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at November 18, 2012 05:51 PM (P2Ufm)

234 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 18, 2012 05:45 PM (UKXMx)

Don't you have some paste to eat?

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:51 PM (AynOt)

235 Ham sandwich/Bologna sandwich 2016!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 18, 2012 05:52 PM (9+ccr)

236 What's the White House position on Mohammed being a pedophile?

Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2012 05:52 PM (d9LRX)

237 "235 Ham sandwich/Bologna sandwich 2016!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 18, 2012 05:52 PM (9+ccr) "

Yep.

What really matters are appointments (cabinet, court, etc.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:53 PM (hhVWg)

238 Does the White House have a problem with people who are critical with pedophiles like Mohamed?

Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2012 05:53 PM (d9LRX)

239 "Don't you have some paste to eat?

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:51 PM (AynOt)"

Have you heard the good news? The paste ration has been increased to 20 grams from 30 grams.

Posted by: Hymen Herberthopper at November 18, 2012 05:53 PM (P2Ufm)

240 How convenient now, that Petraeus is "disgraced".

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2012 05:53 PM (9XBK2)

241 "236 What's the White House position on Mohammed being a pedophile?

Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2012 05:52 PM (d9LRX) "

Aroused.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:54 PM (hhVWg)

242
I think I might start making some "Anonymous" videos claiming all kinds of stuff just to f with them. I am going to start with the Twinkie Union vote. They really actually voted for the contract, but I manipulated it.

Down with Big HoHo!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 18, 2012 05:54 PM (3BbLJ)

243 Is the White House critical of people who support pedophiles like Mohammed?

Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2012 05:54 PM (d9LRX)

244 "238 Does the White House have a problem with people who are critical with pedophiles like Mohamed?

Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2012 05:53 PM (d9LRX) "

Since that's pretty much all one sees on TeeVee, I doubt it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:55 PM (hhVWg)

245 218 Herbert H

bc GOP gov and GOP attorney gen are lazy sellouts living off the dole and didn't do jack the last 4 yrs to help win anything. they both probably and secretly despise Allen West bc he's got a big mouth and makes them feel uncomfortable at times.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 05:55 PM (0PiQ4)

246 ORCA choked on a minnow and sank like a stone.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:55 PM (AynOt)

247 ""236 What's the White House position on Mohammed being a pedophile?



Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2012 05:52 PM (d9LRX) "


Obama, call me. I've been doing field research on this issue.

Posted by: Scott Ritter at November 18, 2012 05:56 PM (P2Ufm)

248 Ham sandwich/Bologna sandwich 2016!


****

Turd Sandwich/Giant Douche 2016


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 05:56 PM (piMMO)

249 "243 Is the White House critical of people who support pedophiles like Mohammed?

Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2012 05:54 PM (d9LRX) "

Muslims? Obviously not.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:57 PM (hhVWg)

250 Posted by: angienc at November 18, 2012 05:51 PM

This.

And That.

Posted by: Y-not at November 18, 2012 05:57 PM (5H6zj)

251 >>What's the White House position on Mohammed being a pedophile?


They have my back. I'm sure mohammed is cool with them.

Posted by: Harry Reid - Pedophile at November 18, 2012 05:57 PM (XUFM+)

252 How many pedophiles has B+rry invited to the White House? Does he invite people who support pedophiles to the White House?

Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2012 05:57 PM (d9LRX)

253 Turd Sandwich/Giant Douche 2016

RINO!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 18, 2012 05:57 PM (3BbLJ)

254 I will be in a red State when the shit hits the fan.

I urge everyone to do the same.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 05:59 PM (AynOt)

255 Have you heard the good news? The paste ration has been increased to 20 grams from 30 grams.


*****

maths is hard.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:00 PM (piMMO)

256 >>How many pedophiles has B+rry invited to the White House? Does he invite people who support pedophiles to the White House?

Well, we know Jim Messina fucks little boys.

In fact, I think that's why Kenny Loggins broke up with him.

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2012 06:00 PM (XUFM+)

257 "255 Have you heard the good news? The paste ration has been increased to 20 grams from 30 grams.


*****

maths is hard.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:00 PM (piMMO) "

Doubleplusungood.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:00 PM (hhVWg)

258 Many, many Conservatives have pushed the Big Red Button and are not returning to the GOP or ordinary politics ever again.



Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 06:04 PM (AynOt)

259 "258 Many, many Conservatives have pushed the Big Red Button and are not returning to the GOP or ordinary politics ever again.



Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 06:04 PM (AynOt) "

That might be unwise.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:05 PM (hhVWg)

260 our elected GOP leaders are welfare whores living off the dole, content being administrators of the welfare state that they helped put in place. they are looting the treasury and enriching themselves. there are very few true believers anymore, I fear.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 06:06 PM (0PiQ4)

261 State Department? I think the Federalists control that and its 57 member states. And Hillary? I hate the Clintons. Why would I talk to her? For all I know, she molds reset buttons.

Defense Department? Don't they protect us from the GOP's War on Womyn? I dunno what they do, actually. It's why I'm always cutting its support and funding for that superfluous agency.

I'm just here for the putting. Anything else goes to my gravitas-holding counterpart, Slow Joe.

Posted by: SCoaMF at November 18, 2012 06:07 PM (eHIJJ)

262 That video that caused the attackhad a cameo of Gary Glitter wearing a wristband that said "WWMD (What Would Mohammed Do)"

Posted by: Soledad O'Brian's Earpiece at November 18, 2012 06:07 PM (zAfmA)

263 Turd Sandwich/Giant Douche 2016

Obviously Giant Douche represents an escalation in the war on women.

Posted by: Dems/MFM at November 18, 2012 06:08 PM (F6Djx)

264 Turd Sandwich/Giant Douche 2016




Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 05:56 PM

****************************************************

Obama/Biden can't run again in 2016.

Posted by: angienc at November 18, 2012 06:09 PM (w3JGl)

265 Mr. Hymenhopper- The GOP governor is almost irrelevant; it is the county that manages and counts the vote. So tell us, please--how in hell did George W. Bush persuade three counties that are long-time Democrat strongholds, all of which had a Democrat Supervisor of the Board of Elections, to undercount Al Gore's votes.

Posted by: Burke at November 18, 2012 06:09 PM (CrqI6)

266 That Barack, he's such a card. He's always saying 'cum at me'.

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 18, 2012 06:10 PM (ccXZP)

267 "260 our elected GOP leaders are welfare whores living off the dole, content being administrators of the welfare state that they helped put in place. they are looting the treasury and enriching themselves. there are very few true believers anymore, I fear.

Posted by: just L at November 18, 2012 06:06 PM (0PiQ4) "

There have never been that many true believers. Goldwater, Reagan, and Bush II. That's pretty much it. (And a lot of people don't like the things Bush II believed in all that much.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:10 PM (hhVWg)

268 buck stops here>>>>>>>>>>

<<<<<<<<< somewhere,

and if you want answers i have 'rhetorical me' you could ask

well maybe

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:10 PM (hX8cq)

269
Ssshhhhh everyone! Don't dare criticize Ms. Rice as you have been told that is Sexist and Racist! Big Daddy O had to defend this ladies "honor" so shut up! However, she is the strongest and most qualified candidate for SOS.

Cuz she's so great at her job! Just don't hurt her feelings ok?

Posted by: Cheri at November 18, 2012 06:12 PM (EAgmr)

270 Muy Grande El Douche? Oh wait that is probably who the Dems will run.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 18, 2012 06:13 PM (24ia6)

271 Perhaps we can ask TFG about this issue at his next presser, currently scheduled for the day after never.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2012 06:13 PM (ccXZP)

272 Slightly OT

NNNNNN!

DDDDDD!

NNNNNN!

DDDDDD!

Sorry about that. Still processing here and havn't reached LIB yet. Just had to take a minute and be happy about something for a second. It's been so long.

Posted by: Magic Cat at November 18, 2012 06:14 PM (MG6Y6)

273 "take a minute and be happy for a second"

Ha!

Posted by: Magic Cat at November 18, 2012 06:15 PM (MG6Y6)

274 Mr. Obama re you aware there is a obscure video guy in jail at this time?

uh , uh, ,'well He was mean so i don't care'

sir, i read several folks in the WH were aware at the time of the 'protests' and that several watched in real time?

uh, uh , 'well we were watching some guys video, and well..'

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:17 PM (hX8cq)

275 WTF do else you do when the Government is the one fucking with the vote?

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 05:28 PM (SP4jC)


Party and other partisan organizations do their own investigations. Feeble conservative press get on the fucking bullhorn. Set up online honey pots for people bragging about election fraud and publish their IPs. Keep ragging the MFM about specific fraud cases. Organize write-in campaigns for law enforcement dodging the issues, hound them. Take out newspaper ads. Push internet memes. Name and shame individuals.

Back your own party when they do go after fraud. Make it a freaking issue.

Most of all, stop being fucking surrendermonkeys, and stop making excuses.

This shit is going to take work, and I *still* haven't heard back from "True the vote/" What they fuck are they doing, *if anything*?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 18, 2012 06:18 PM (bxiXv)

276 Doucheland, Doucheland, ueber alles.

Ueber alles in der Welt.

Marxheil!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:19 PM (hhVWg)

277 Allen West was elected in district 22 and switched to district 18 for 2012 to enhance his prospects.

West had a choice and he failed in a state whose districts were carved by a solid GOP state house.

Why?

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 18, 2012 06:19 PM (UKXMx)

278 I missed something,why is the left mad at Papa John's now?

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2012 06:22 PM (9XBK2)

279 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 18, 2012 06:19 PM (UKXMx)

That paste isn't going to eat itself, you know.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 06:24 PM (AynOt)

280 I missed something,why is the left mad at Papa John's now?


****

They dared to announce they will be passing on the cost of Ocare to their customers.

Just wait until they get a hold of one of Denny's receipts!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:24 PM (piMMO)

281 "278 I missed something,why is the left mad at Papa John's now?

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2012 06:22 PM (9XBK2) "

Their CEO believes in something called "economics" or something...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:24 PM (hhVWg)

282 steevy, i believe that they were going to cut hours , re obamacare.

not a patriotic decision, cuz we know all decisions made have to profit obama and his groupies (that wrote the bill)

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:24 PM (hX8cq)

283 278 I missed something,why is the left mad at Papa John's now?

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2012 06:22 PM (9XBK2)


Insufficient genuflection.

Basically they're just one of thousands of companies laying people off because of regulatory burdens. Apparently not taking losses every year is now Treason To The Perfect Left And All Their Policies.

Really, really far past sick of the left's mental illness being imposed on the rest of us because of idiots.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 18, 2012 06:25 PM (bxiXv)

284 Profits are there for workers not Business owners gt with it crew!

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:25 PM (hX8cq)

285 Basically they're just one of thousands of companies laying people off
because of regulatory burdens. Apparently not taking losses every year
is now Treason To The Perfect Left And All Their Policies.


****

It's the double-whammy: They are cutting hours AND passing off the cost to customers.

That's something the libs never get. They always think the good-fairy will absorb any additional costs to businesses.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:27 PM (piMMO)

286 perhaps unions should start business's where everyone is a winner, specially the Union heads!

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:27 PM (hX8cq)

287 Thanks for the answers.

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2012 06:27 PM (9XBK2)

288 If Papa John's CEO was a real patriot, he would willingly bankrupt himself and his investors just so he could ensure a 30 hour work week and Obamacare for his employees.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 06:28 PM (Cnqmv)

289 anyway we all knew this ws going to be the result.

i wonder if single payer is now on the board (as was desired)

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:28 PM (hX8cq)

290 holidays shmalidays, who needs em.

life is going to really suck for millions more.
happy days

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:29 PM (hX8cq)

291 "289 anyway we all knew this ws going to be the result.

i wonder if single payer is now on the board (as was desired)

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:28 PM (hX8cq) "

Single Payer would be "Progress," so 3 guesses...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:29 PM (hhVWg)

292 I'm about ready for Bobby Jindal to disappear again.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:31 PM (piMMO)

293 perhaps we can raise minimum wage to 30 dollars an hour to offset the total misery of it all.

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:31 PM (hX8cq)

294 ANONYMOUS CLAIMS

Yo soy Presidente del todo el Mundo.

If they'd hacked it they'd have bragged same day and the fail-squad that built it would be running around blaming Anon do duck.

Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2012 06:32 PM (MOWP1)

295 or we will all work to 28 weekly hour jobs

hmm that's many more hours to help pay for obamacare when the bill comes do.

remember those ole 40 hour workweeks lauded by all for years

especiaLLY unions?

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:32 PM (hX8cq)

296 "293 perhaps we can raise minimum wage to 30 dollars an hour to offset the total misery of it all.

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:31 PM (hX8cq) "

Why not a million dollars an hour? Everyone could be a millionaire! (While working only one hour every few years.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:33 PM (hhVWg)

297 wheatie Millions of people stayed home because their delicate sensibilities wouldn't let them vote for Romney. I'm trying very hard not to hate them.

Millions of folks are fairly apolitical.

Romney couldn't close the deal. We fucking own this fail.





Posted by: Kristophr at November 18, 2012 06:33 PM (wYVte)

298 perhaps we can raise minimum wage to 30 dollars an hour to offset the total misery of it all.


****

Ahem.

http://tinyurl.com/b38ml84

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:33 PM (piMMO)

299 2 jobs at 28 hours plus travel *

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:34 PM (hX8cq)

300 Me.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:34 PM (hhVWg)

301 The Republicans own this fail.

They're already setting 2016 up now.

Bobby Jindal == Nice guy, good man, not ready for the rest of the country.

Marc Rubio == the NEW model of RINO. (as compared to the OLD models Christie and Romney)

Now with more brown skin and latin heritage.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 06:35 PM (SP4jC)

302 The Bill Krystol segment is on now.

Asshole.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:35 PM (piMMO)

303 The "White House" is not a "department" horizontal to the State Dept. or the Dept. of Defense on the org. chart. The President (or the White House) is at the top of the org. chart for the Exeutive Branch. The departments are part of that branch of govt. and report to the chief executive of the Executive Branch, the President. Jr. High Civics 101. So either he is lying or he is incompetent (not mutually exclusive of course).

Posted by: TD, a taxpayer at November 18, 2012 06:36 PM (+uFux)

304 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse,

hjey now i understand that wheel barrel full of dollars for a loaf of bread thing

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:36 PM (hX8cq)

305 hjey now i understand that wheel barrel full of dollars for a loaf of bread thing


*****

Would you care for a $20 enchilada?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:36 PM (piMMO)

306 miror, well sure.


in reality perhaps the money Tarp and such loaned to the banks should have been given to taxpayers, so they could actually afford to pay th bill for govts decisions?

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:37 PM (hX8cq)

307 Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:36 PM (hX8cq)

And the very real need for the $1,000,000 dollar bill!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 06:38 PM (Cnqmv)

308 “I think the key to our success is our reasonable pricing,” Lucero says.
“If this continues it's not going to make us raise our prices although
we'll probably have to eventually. But it's going to put more people out
of business. It has already discouraged people from coming in to
establish a new business in this market.”

From NDH's link at 298.

Pay close attention to the statement:

"it's not going to make us raise our prices although
we'll probably have to eventually."

Now that's LIBERAL business person talking. I had to read it twice to make sure it said what I thought it did.

They can even TALK in double think.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 06:39 PM (SP4jC)

309 Would you care for a $20 enchilada?

.

honestly if i had a spare 20 bucks i probably wouldn't buy enchilads as yummy as they are.Niedermeyer's Dead Horse,

hell even making them
see the price of Corn tortillas ?
nevemind cheese.

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:39 PM (hX8cq)

310 "301 The Republicans own this fail.

They're already setting 2016 up now.

Bobby Jindal == Nice guy, good man, not ready for the rest of the country.

Marc Rubio == the NEW model of RINO. (as compared to the OLD models Christie and Romney)

Now with more brown skin and latin heritage.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 06:35 PM (SP4jC) "

Rubio is from Lazio?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:40 PM (hhVWg)

311 And the very real need for the $1,000,000 dollar bill!


Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 06:38 PM (Cnqmv)

Perhpas Obama's awsomeness could be on the bill?

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:40 PM (hX8cq)

312 Now that's LIBERAL business person talking. I had to read it twice to make sure it said what I thought it did.

They can even TALK in double think.


*****

I know!

It's just super-duper-awesome!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:41 PM (piMMO)

313 I find Jindal a bit humorous in that he is saying the Repubs don't like the voting populace very much, when it is the Dems that are really saying you proles are too stupid to figure out how to provide health insurance for yourselves, or how to pay off debts you have voluntarily incurred, or understand how to provide birth control for your lifestyle choices, or work harder to ensure you are the most valued employee, etc.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 06:42 PM (Cnqmv)

314 "306 miror, well sure.


in reality perhaps the money Tarp and such loaned to the banks should have been given to taxpayers, so they could actually afford to pay th bill for govts decisions?

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:37 PM (hX8cq) "

"Given to the taxpayers?" That phraseology is "not optimal."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:42 PM (hhVWg)

315 oops,
to duck

although maybe they already did?

Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2012 06:43 PM (MOWP1)

316 Income from self-employment and wages of single individuals in excess of $200,000 annually will be subject to an additional tax of 0.9%. The threshold amount is $250,000 for a married couple filing jointly (threshold applies to joint compensation of the two spouses), or $125,000 for a married person filing separately.[91] In addition, an additional Medicare tax of 3.8% will apply to unearned income, specifically the lesser of net investment income or the amount by which adjusted gross income exceeds $200,000 ($250,000 for a married couple filing jointly; $125,000 for a married person filing separately.)[92]

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 06:44 PM (nw0Vt)

317 Mirro, i know, hangs head.

still it makes as much sense , actually more, since the average joe working 28 hours will be stuck with whats left (trillions) after they steal all the greedy rich folks money

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:44 PM (hX8cq)

318 "312 Now that's LIBERAL business person talking. I had to read it twice to make sure it said what I thought it did.

They can even TALK in double think.


*****

I know!

It's just super-duper-awesome!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:41 PM (piMMO) "

Doubleplusgood.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:44 PM (hhVWg)

319 Don't be a Conservative stranded in a blue State when the shit hits the fan.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 06:45 PM (AynOt)

320 This from the President who said it was an "act of terror" the day after the attack (or at least that is what he said and Candy agreed).

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 18, 2012 06:45 PM (e8kgV)

321 mr president, i have a big problem with you and your administration....i'd like to discuss it with you......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 18, 2012 06:45 PM (Ho2rs)

322 "313 I find Jindal a bit humorous in that he is saying the Repubs don't like the voting populace very much, when it is the Dems that are really saying you proles are too stupid to figure out how to provide health insurance for yourselves, or how to pay off debts you have voluntarily incurred, or understand how to provide birth control for your lifestyle choices, or work harder to ensure you are the most valued employee, etc.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 06:42 PM (Cnqmv) "

Jindal has said some pretty stupid things for no rational reason whatsoever.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:46 PM (hhVWg)

323 I read a comment on a blog the other day that people resented the way we talk about Moochelle and that's why they didn't vote for Romney.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 18, 2012 06:46 PM (uPhCY)

324 mirro,

'optimal'

still can't believe that fguy said that in rlation to the ill advised dying of our ambassador , seals etc...

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:46 PM (hX8cq)

325 I find Jindal a bit humorous in that he is saying the Repubs don't like
the voting populace very much, when it is the Dems that are really
saying you proles are too stupid to figure out how to provide health
insurance for yourselves, or how to pay off debts you have voluntarily
incurred, or understand how to provide birth control for your lifestyle
choices, or work harder to ensure you are the most valued employee, etc.


****

And hence, I repeat, I am ready or Jindal to disappear again.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 18, 2012 06:46 PM (piMMO)

326 Perhpas Obama's awsomeness could be on the bill?


Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:40 PM (hX8cq)

Who else is worthy enough?

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 06:46 PM (Cnqmv)

327
There is something awfully unusual about this election.
I think that something has been done on such a grand scale that people think " No one would ever even try that "

Think again. How'd we get Obamacare ?

I hope more info gets out despite the MSM.

Posted by: seamrog at November 18, 2012 06:47 PM (Rm0z2)

328 "320 This from the President who said it was an "act of terror" the day after the attack (or at least that is what he said and Candy agreed).

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 18, 2012 06:45 PM (e8kgV) "

Candy would do anything for a bag of chips. Or the Ideology. Either or.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:48 PM (hhVWg)

329 "324 mirro,

'optimal'

still can't believe that fguy said that in rlation to the ill advised dying of our ambassador , seals etc...

Posted by: willow at November 18, 2012 06:46 PM (hX8cq) "

Give him a break. He thought he might lose the election because of it.


(But no, the Media had him covered (up)).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:50 PM (hhVWg)

330 I hope Palin runs next time.

The boobs and fireworks will be epic.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 06:51 PM (AynOt)

331

Thank you, Ace, for posting on the day of your day off, Sunday.

And may your first child be a masculine child.

Posted by: soothsayer brasi at November 18, 2012 06:51 PM (LVtr+)

332 i really liked jindal a long time ago....now not so much

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 18, 2012 06:52 PM (Ho2rs)

333 I hope Chris Christie accidently sits on Bobby Jindal at some Governor's conference.

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2012 06:52 PM (9XBK2)

334 "333 I hope Chris Christie accidently sits on Bobby Jindal at some Governor's conference.

Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2012 06:52 PM (9XBK2) "

That might actually happen.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:53 PM (hhVWg)

335 & you know what sucks.....the GOP thinks that the next nominee will have to be a woman or a person of color.....or both......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 18, 2012 06:53 PM (Ho2rs)

336 "335 & you know what sucks.....the GOP thinks that the next nominee will have to be a woman or a person of color.....or both......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 18, 2012 06:53 PM (Ho2rs) "

They should nominate Hillary in blackface.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 06:54 PM (hhVWg)

337

I just want to remind everyone who I picked for the Super Bowl before the season began:

Denver Broncos vs Phil Eagles

what? it can still happen

Posted by: soothie at November 18, 2012 06:54 PM (GcwH1)

338 Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 18, 2012 06:53 PM (Ho2rs)


I am sure our establishment betters (aka ruling class) have someone picked out already, and are busy gaming the primaries to ensure the desired result (inevitable and electable hispanic female on birth control with an outstanding student loan, what can possibly go wrong?).

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 06:57 PM (Cnqmv)

339 The setup today has all the appearances of what was called a "Bust Out" by the mob. (see Goodfellas)

Business owner borrows money from mob can't repay.
Mob takes over business. Buys goods on business owners credit with vendors.
Sells goods at reduced prices. (the bust out)
Pockets the cash.
Leaves business owner to the angry vendors he now owes millions to.

This is what they are doing and will do. They will give contracts and grants (say like Solyndra) to do research or setup a legit manufacturing plant etc.
Plant or research Co. then goes belly up and taxpayers take a hit while owners/CEO's of company walk with all the dough.

It's already happened, it will keep happening. Now that he's in the lame duck phase, he has no fear of retribution, investigation or trial because the Media and the Party will cover for him.

I predict, as in the last 2 times that "suddenly" we were given bad news just before an election, in 2016 around about june-sept we will be told that conditions in Europe have lead to a sudden default in EU Sovereign country debt and that JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs have collapsed due to collateral calls that they do not have. Since these entities are so large and are so tied in with other large and small banks (especially since all of them were also in the same market buying EU sovereign country debt) all over the US, the financial system has collapsed.

All payments due any vendors, beneficiaries or employees have been stopped. AS THERE IS NO MONEY.

OR they could announce a "realignment of the price of the dollar with the current market level" and that they would be printing new denominations.

Stock market collapses, bonds now only will sell at 20% or greater interest thus driving the National debt to new and glorious heights.

Bon Apetit

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 06:58 PM (SP4jC)

340 Are we getting more elbows or what?

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2012 06:59 PM (KBhQ7)

341 "340 Are we getting more elbows or what?

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2012 06:59 PM (KBhQ7) "

You're going to have to ask the Elbow Commissar.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 07:02 PM (hhVWg)

342 What the hell is "LIB" ?

All I can think of is "live in basement" ha
or "Let it Be" like the beatles

Posted by: Illini bill at November 18, 2012 07:05 PM (TacX2)

343 Willow, the "stimulus" was the government borrowing in our names (on our account) at ten percent (probably more like 30% after it gets rolled over a few times), keeping 20%, then giving the rest out to their donors and bundlers.

That would result in prison time in a sane world.

"Giving" it back to us would be almost as insulting.

What happened on 11/6 was, after telling the family they were about to go bust, the sole earner comes back from their two 6-hour jobs that very night to find everyone else in the house had just bought a car on credit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 18, 2012 07:07 PM (bxiXv)

344 I've already moved to LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 18, 2012 07:07 PM (QupBk)

345 "342 What the hell is "LIB" ?

All I can think of is "live in basement" ha
or "Let it Be" like the beatles

Posted by: Illini bill at November 18, 2012 07:05 PM (TacX2) "

Let it burn.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 07:08 PM (hhVWg)

346

you see what the Patriots are doing?

they have the Colts down and now the Patriots are stepping on their throats

thats something the Democrats understand

Posted by: soothie at November 18, 2012 07:09 PM (Ba6aP)

347 New thread, I guess.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 07:11 PM (hhVWg)

348
Notice the attack on Petraeus credibility? Suddenly he is 'disgraced', and who would believe someone who is 'disgraced'?

Posted by: blindside at November 18, 2012 07:11 PM (ajjwb)

349 Consistency? Never uh heard of it.

//Choom Gibson

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 07:20 PM (LRFds)

350 Anyone look at Rasmussen lately? Prez is oh Mr. Popular. Sprung up to 53% popularity now that the election is over. Very low unpopularity. Everyone is suddenly liking Obamacare. Everyone wants "rich people" to pay more taxes. WTF?

Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2012 07:24 PM (LvXz6)

351 Notice the attack on Petraeus credibility? Suddenly he is 'disgraced', and who would believe someone who is 'disgraced'?
Posted by: blindside at November 18,

Ha-Ha-Ha....yeah...what a disgrace. Can you believe this guy. It's kind of like why Romney didn't get more votes....I mean, who would want to elect a president that would lie to the country?

Posted by: Bill C. on Tour (aka Slick Willie) at November 18, 2012 07:25 PM (PALjS)

352 Did anyone see over at Breitbart's website that Anonymous claims to have hacked into Orca?

I live in MA and it sucks here. If I didn't have to work I would move to a Red State, I'm thinking of Texas or one of the Carolina's. I forget which one has almost ideal weather all year? No snow, but once in a while an ice storm. I would love not have to pay a frigging fortune for oil heat!

Posted by: CarolT at November 18, 2012 08:09 PM (z4WKX)

353 We won. Suck it, AmeriKKKa!

Posted by: Queen Michelle at November 18, 2012 08:35 PM (ypzqs)

354 If you have a problem with that, come at me, bro.
http://tinyurl.com/bzqnjko

Posted by: ExurbanKevin at November 18, 2012 08:35 PM (mGXaR)

355 @308, 312

You're mistaken about Lucero, even if he did practice a bit of double-speak there. He's a true conservative running a successful business in a very blue town. The mayor, however, is a clueless moron -- the bad kind.

Posted by: Piñon Farmer at November 18, 2012 08:43 PM (IzuWw)

356 The libs say this scandal is no big deal. I think its actually not as big a deal as we are making it to be, but that the media's indifference to EVERYTHING pisses us off so much, we have grasped onto this because the prezzy can't run and hide so easily on this stuff.

In Iran-Contra, Reagan couldn't recall a lot of stuff. Which is like this, but actually took some heat for it. Beirut barracks wasn't a shining example of security planning either.

But Reagan did so much other good stuff, and he did take press criticism that we let that go.

With Obama its the smug teflon that irks me.

Oh, and if Obama was running guns to Syria, this would look a lot like Iran-Contra.

p.s. Obama is like Sgt. Schulz if he was promoted to president. "I see nothing. I know nothing."

Posted by: Sexypig at November 18, 2012 08:54 PM (YzQie)

357 "Everyone wants "rich people" to pay more taxes. "

The right, myself included, has spent unbelievable amounts of political capital to stop taxes on the rich. I don't think that was wise, particularly when we have a 10% of GDP budget deficit that will be stopped with some tax increases. You simply cannot cut that much from spending. If we used only cuts, kept SS and Medicare as is, you could only pay 30% of the defense budget and spend NOTHING else.

I know higher taxes could lead to a recession, but so will those cuts. Romney's plan had a small but decent chance to pop growth up to avoid some of the worst, but he lost.

I'm tired of defending people who make more than 250,000 a year. I'm from California, so that includes many of our state employees!



Posted by: Sexypig at November 18, 2012 08:59 PM (YzQie)

358 Exit polls showed Christians (can't remember if they were labelled "born-again" or Evangelical) voted at a higher rate for Romney than they did for McCain.

Posted by: Baldy at November 18, 2012 09:00 PM (opS9C)

359 Answer: "Flee!"

Thanks, Mr. President.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Here we go! at November 18, 2012 09:11 PM (gmoEG)

360 a district gerrymandered for a safe GOP win?
218 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 18, 2012 05:45 PM (UKXMx)
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West was expected to lose, from all I read, because it was gerrymandered. The GOP (elite) does not like him. He is loose cannon, in their view.

Posted by: Baldy at November 18, 2012 09:15 PM (opS9C)

361 So, again, how exactly did Chris Christie do himself any selfish favors by not being a dick to Obama (in keeping with the Romney campaign's strategy)?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 18, 2012 05:28 PM (hhVWg)

Sandy went through plenty of states besides NJ. Bloomberg or Cuomo would have received Obama in a heartbeat. Christie undid all that negative campaigning right before the election. Suddenly TFG was bipartisan and uniting. (Probably why Romney was saying that shit in the last week; there went his swing voters.) coincidentally, Cory Booker announced he will not run against Christie, who was just on SNL. The media is gonna promote the fuck outta that tub of lard now.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 19, 2012 03:26 AM (i0vBR)

362 Bobby Jindal == Nice guy, good man, not ready for the rest of the country.

Marc Rubio == the NEW model of RINO. (as compared to the OLD models Christie and Romney)

Now with more brown skin and latin heritage.
Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 06:35 PM (SP4jC)

Hispanics are the fastest growing voting demographic in the country. Not an amnesty advocate by a long shot, but Republicans need to sound like Perry, Martinez or Rubio when talking to LEGAL immigrants. The party should be proud of the minor inroads it's made toward diversity, showing working class voters that its policies promote mobility and advancement. Romney lost those voters. Jindal can hopefully talk about healthcare. Hopefully Republicans can take the senate in the midterms. Rubio seems the most likely to attract women, Hispanics and young voters.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 19, 2012 03:36 AM (i0vBR)

363 Ace: " I think the White House helps "shape" things in State and Defense."

You "think"? D'you "think" that's what happened here, or just ... generally? And so you're 'extrapolating' or 'interpolating', or some other ten buck word that evades the dull tool you're employing in lieu of actual EVIDENCE.

And it's not as if you need a smoking gun on THIS incident; all you really need is some 'propensity' evidence: you can do some spade work to see if Obama or his WH on his behalf has reached out in previous incidents at various and sundry times over the past 4 years and in do so have 'moved' the intel to fit the narrative ... as the left has done to great effectiveness with the Cheney reachovers into the CIA through Cheney's "Team B". So where IS that spadework, Ace; are you saving up for a more propinquitous moment? Because that would make some sense if there were a general feeling that such is inevitable ... which, after 4 years, is, um, starting to look a tad unlikely.

Ace: this is self-parody. This is exactly inside the lines of what Stephen Colbert's character refers to as "thinking with the gut". This is "truthiness" exemplified - or if not, it sure ain't even worthy punditry.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 19, 2012 05:42 AM (21TJo)

364 Somebody said "extremist" instead of "terrorist" on television. This is worse than Watergate.

Posted by: kevinw at November 19, 2012 08:16 AM (ncq1x)

365 'I guess you aren't going to post about how the House
Intel Committee chairman, who has been running this circus, just
concluded that there was no intelligence failure, and that the
administration got things right from the beginning:



“I’ll tell you, with a high degree of confidence today, there was no
intelligence failure. They had it right, and they had it right early.”



That's what matters, not talking points.



Posted by: Jordan at November 18, 2012 04:09 PM (jRfn3)"_____________________________________________The "intel community" did get it right. HOWEVER, the story was CHANGED(changed)........ once it left their hands.

Posted by: avagreen at November 19, 2012 11:46 AM (WR2rX)

366
The right, myself included, has spent unbelievable amounts of
political capital to stop taxes on the rich. I don't think that was
wise, particularly when we have a 10% of GDP budget deficit that will be
stopped with some tax increases. You simply cannot cut that much from
spending. If we used only cuts, kept SS and Medicare as is, you could
only pay 30% of the defense budget and spend NOTHING else.


Posted by: Sexypig at November 18, 2012 08:59 PM (YzQie)

.
.
Here are some facts for you.

Libs, Did you know if you taxed the rich at 100% it still wouldn't be enoughtfor our budget and deficit?

"This year, Congress will spend $3.7 trillion dollars. That turns out
to be about $10 billion per day. Can we prey upon the rich to cough up
the money?



According to IRS statistics, roughly 2 percent of U.S. households
have an income of $250,000 and above. By the way, $250,000 per year
hardly qualifies one as being rich. It's not even yacht and Learjet
money. All told, households earning $250,000 and above account for 25
percent, or $1.97 trillion, of the nearly $8 trillion of total household
income.



If Congress imposed a 100 percent tax, taking all earnings above
$250,000 per year, it would yield the princely sum of $1.4 trillion.
That would keep the government running for 141 days, but there's a
problem because there are 224 more days left in the year.



How about corporate profits to fill the gap? Fortune 500 companies
earn nearly $400 billion in profits. Since leftists think profits are
little less than theft and greed, Congress might confiscate these
ill-gotten gains so that they can be returned to their rightful owners.
Taking corporate profits would keep the government running for another
40 days, but that along with confiscating all income above $250,000
would only get us to the end of June. Congress must search elsewhere.



According to Forbes 400, America has 400 billionaires with a
combined net worth of $1.3 trillion. Congress could confiscate their
stocks and bonds, and force them to sell their businesses, yachts,
airplanes, mansions and jewelry. The problem is that after fleecing the
rich of their income and net worth, and the Fortune 500 corporations of
their profits, it would only get us to mid-August. The fact of the
matter is there are not enough rich people to come anywhere close to
satisfying Congress' voracious spending appetite. They're going to have
to go after the non-rich
."
.


Posted by: avagreen at November 19, 2012 11:56 AM (WR2rX)






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