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DAY 12

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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 07:28 AM (XkWWK)

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To Ace's post yesterday about culture, I remembered Marva Collins from a 60 Minutes story. Here is a follow up from 1995.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LPpsp_Qh0

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 07:31 AM (XkWWK)

3 Award winning meteorologist and bestselling author Brian Sussman ("Climategate" and "Eco-Tyranny") defuses the theory of anthropogenic global warming before hundreds of political science students at the University of California-Berkeley. This 5-minute video is packed with highlights from Brian's lecture, which left the audience speechless.

Some of the more notable quotes from this lecture:
"Coal saved the forests."
"All the nuclear waste [from all US nuclear plants] could be stored in this auditorium."
"Most of the warming (88%) that has occurred since 1850 took place before 1940."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i3aN4mvcbs&

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 18, 2012 07:32 AM (feFL6)

4 Radio said Christie was on SNL last night. From the slips I heard, he was not at all funny. However, he is apparently now on the "approved Republican list."

That will not get him a nomination in 2016. We will remember.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 07:32 AM (GoIUi)

5 >>>4 Radio said Christie was on SNL last night. From the slips I heard, he was not at all funny. However, he is apparently now on the "approved Republican list."
That will not get him a nomination in 2016. We will remember.

Yeah, he's totally prepping a run with this shit.

I used to like him. Thought he had balls. Turns out, they were big blue balls.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 07:36 AM (pzmYs)

6 That will not get him a nomination in 2016.

I'm working on stopping him, but the demise of Hostess is gonna make it a little tougher, but he'll still have access to TastyKake Bakery across the Delaware River.

Posted by: Massive Coronory at November 18, 2012 07:37 AM (feFL6)

7 Susan Rice has been carrying the water for our precious leaders for a while. From the NYT article in today's edition:

"At 28, she was an aide in President Bill Clinton’s National Security Council, where she once questioned embracing the term “genocide” in Rwanda because it could put Mr. Clinton in an awkward position in midterm elections."

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 07:38 AM (nw0Vt)

8 4 That will not get him a nomination in 2016. We will remember.
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 07:32 AM (GoIUi)

I seem to recall the geschrei at the start of primary season last year that we would resist Mitt tooth and nail.

Who was the nominee?

Either the Republican party is completely purged of the RINO's or else a third party conservative/libertarian party will emerge. And that will mean permanent Democrat victory for at least 3- years.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 07:40 AM (XkWWK)

9 8 30 years!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 07:41 AM (XkWWK)

10 #8 Well, you do have a point. However, our choices were limited. I was for Perry, but he had that darn back surgery and then goofed in the debates.

And who is stepping up now? I am not enamored of any of the potential choices I see on the horizon.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 07:44 AM (GoIUi)

11 I think that the little love-fest/photo op with 0bama was shrewd on the part of Christie -- not that I approve or will soon forget. Fast forward to 2016, economy improves, Romney wins re-election. Fast forward again to 2020, economy still strong, Ryan wins election, then maybe again in 2024.

The chance he'll win re-election as Governor in New Jersey in two years, a state Romney lost by 500,000 votes?

Slim to none. That's a long time to be unemployed. He's gotta find a bigger boat.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 18, 2012 07:48 AM (feFL6)

12 And who is stepping up now? I am not enamored of any of the potential choices I see on the horizon.
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 07:44 AM (GoIUi)

I see a couple of good Governors, Scott Walker for one. That's a long ways away. I hope we focus on destroying the dem senators up for election in 14 by any means possible.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 18, 2012 07:49 AM (3Y7RV)

13 Miss Marple:

OH YES. We will remember his happy fun walk on the beach with his new boyfriend.

He knows he screwed up his carefully crafted image. All that anger and harsh words to the Unions and the Teachers and the Press. (with I'm sure a subtle wink and a nudge off camera/off stage)

BTW folks; Mr. Rubio is no better.

Anyone selling this Hispanics aren't Democrats bilge should be suspect. However, I fully expect the Old GOP to be attracted to either of these charlatans.

Me. I'm waiting for after the Coronation when I believe a viable organization will emerge to begin offering battle against the SOS GOP. It will take that long because the Pubs won't act until as late as possible on the debt ceiling and other stuff. Once they do that we will then have absolute proof that they have not learned the lesson of '06 or '08 and the only answer is another party or a hostile takeover of the GOP.

I don't believe a takeover would be the way to go and I don't believe it could be done. So....

Don't jump on me over 3rd party, Dems would win, blah blah blah.

I. DON'T. CARE. After close observation of 50 years and the results of them getting power in 1994 and what they did with it, I am firmly convinced that for conservatives, the GOP is the more immediate enemy. Capitulation to them in the hopes that they would be a lesser evil than the Dems has turned out to be a false one.

We need to bite the bullet, accept that we will lose the presidency in 2016 and work for 2020. (this coming from someone who may not see that point in time)

It's that or armed insurrection because the Dems won't stop until we are a 2nd USSR or whatever totalitarian regime you want to name. They don't have it in them to compromise enough to only take us to a European level of socialism. We see that every day that they demand to control every facet of our lives in the name of some amorphous utopia that even they can't put words to .

Fuck Boehner. Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 07:50 AM (SP4jC)

14 And who is stepping up now? I am not enamored of any of the potential choices I see on the horizon.



I'm here! If by "stepping up" you mean seriously "stepping ON"!! You will be seeing me on the horizon!

Posted by: SMOD (2012 Mayan election calendar) at November 18, 2012 07:52 AM (HNn1q)

15 Here's an amusing video put out my the Metro in Ozzy land.

http://tinyurl.com/aq8f4ht

(I just noticed that they are SELLING THIS at itunes. W.T.F.?)

Catchy tune so if you're susceptible to ear worms don't click.

Seems they saw a problem with people being stupid around trains and thought this would help.

Another instance of Government only wanting to help and looking ridiculous in the process.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 07:56 AM (SP4jC)

16 that's: by the metro

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 07:57 AM (SP4jC)

17 And who is stepping up now? I am not enamored of any of the potential choices I see on the horizon.

Could we just agree that maybe it is a bit early to be "stepping up" for 2016?

I realize we are all a bunch of political junkies but gawd, even this is too early for me.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 18, 2012 07:57 AM (OWjjx)

18 I'm trying, but I just can't picture any content.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 07:57 AM (sdi6R)

19 So, on Twitter this morning John Podhoretz was all excited that he got retweeted by the actor Richard Dreyfuss. So I checked to see why, and of course it was because Podhoretz wrote a Romney-bashing column.

I told Podhoretz that the Romney bashing was the only reason Dreyfuss retweeted him. And that Mitt was sort of right. So he called me a drag and blocked me.

So much for the "conservative" Mr. Podhoretz, who apparently is as thin-skinned as Obama.


Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 07:58 AM (GoIUi)

20 And Christie is on SNL not for 2016 but for 2013.....he faces re-election next year and SNL is still relevant in the NYC/North Jersey sector.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 18, 2012 07:58 AM (OWjjx)

21 The lack of content will continue until content improves.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 18, 2012 07:59 AM (OWjjx)

22 #17 It's too early for me as well. However, it apparently is NOT too early for Christie to make a preliminary move.

I was responding to a statement about how we ended up with Romney.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 07:59 AM (GoIUi)

23 >>>19 So much for the "conservative" Mr. Podhoretz, who apparently is as thin-skinned as Obama.

He also retweeted a David Frum musing last week.

Frum said 'we shouldn't make fun of women who use birth control' which completely ignores the issue of what Fluke was pushing for (and the fact that she's kind of a press-whore).

Ace called him on it. Podhoretz got pissy with him too.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 08:00 AM (pzmYs)

24 13 AshKente

+1000

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 08:01 AM (sdi6R)

25 Fu@k the repubs. Only Tea party elected or stronger constitutionalist's will get my support. Scott Walker narrowly avoided losing his prime location on my gas guzzling SUV. But finally told O'Care no to the exchange.

Personal note; agreed priced house in TN, as wife says, "in a holler". TX was just too blue for us.

Posted by: ExPat Patriot at November 18, 2012 08:04 AM (frDtf)

26 Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 07:58 AM (GoIUi)

From what I understand, RINOs have very thin skin in certain places.

There are many, oh so many. There are even some that have reputations in the conservoblogosphere.

I could name names but I'm waiting till 2013.

I'm hoping for a flaming ball of fire from the east aimed directly at the eastern coastline. Just a small one. Enough for a tsunami that would inundate the coast for about 5-10 miles is all from about the Chesapeake Bay to Long Island. Yeah that would do it for me. (I would regret the civilian losses but hey they knew what they were getting when they decided to live near the ocean or in a Democrat state.) (apologies to any morons living in the zone. I recommend YOU MOVE).

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:05 AM (SP4jC)

27 >>>I seem to recall the geschrei at the start of primary season last year that we would resist Mitt tooth and nail.
Who was the nominee?

No one supported Romney. But we did fight tooth and nail with each other over who had The Biggest Conservative Dick for the latter half of 2011.

While we were doing that, Romney snuck into the nomination with about 25-percent support.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 08:06 AM (pzmYs)

28 >>>Video: Extraordinary white humpback whale off Norway

Kill it.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 18, 2012 08:12 AM (MazXE)

29 I don't consider myself a political junkie either. I pay attention to politics, but I'm not into incessant discussions of future races, candidates, etc.

The constant poll threads during the campaign had me pulling my hair out and clicking elsewhere.

When people immediately begin talking about the next election the day after Election Day, you know that politics has far too much influence over our lives. A hundred years ago, it didn't much matter to the average person who the President was.

Besides, I think our electoral system is fundamentally broken, what with open primaries, lack of voter ID, and not purging the voter rolls. If that isn't fixed, it's kind of pointless to talk about which candidates we'd like to see.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 08:12 AM (sdi6R)

30 In solidarity with our striking brothers the cobloggers we will also stop all content until management gives in to our demands!

Posted by: Commenter's Local 452 at November 18, 2012 08:13 AM (RLTt1)

31 Romney didn't sneak in, he was pushed.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that one of the more viable candidates was derailed by a Democrat Operative? (ms allred)

Romney had help from the other side's oppo research team.

Whether acknowledged or not, whether with his tacit approval or not, he would not have been there except for active Democrat help.

I hate to be all tinfoily and stuff but it almost seems like he threw the election. I don't think he was in cahoots, I think he could have been threatened. That's the only way to attack someone with a moral code such as he does. You attack those he cares about.

With power of the Federal Bureaucracy at his beck and call does anyone really think Obama (or his Iranian operatives) wouldn't make use of it?

It's believe that or believe that this drug addled crack head from Chicago lucked into a pathway to the Presidency that defies logic. somewhere, some how, he got help. And he has to pay off that help.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:14 AM (SP4jC)

32 That will not get him a nomination in 2016. We will remember.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 07:32 AM (GoIUi)

I like the job he is doing here in NJ, but after his fellating of the cocksucker in Chief, I will actively campaign against him if he does run for higher office.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 08:14 AM (GsoHv)

33 Correction to #29:
Government has far too much influence...

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 08:14 AM (sdi6R)

34 I find it interesting that Latvia celebrates their Independence Day on the anniversary of their 1918 independence from Russia (today) and not the anniversary of their 1991 independence from the USSR. This is pretty kickass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 18, 2012 08:15 AM (hO8IJ)

35 Fuck Boehner. Fuck the GOP.


Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 07:50 AM (SP4jC)

The republican party sings the siren's song for conservatives, and like Charlie Brown, we continue to steer towards the sweet sounds of Lucy saying, "I won't move the football THIS time!"

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 08:15 AM (Cnqmv)

36 Could we just agree that maybe it is a bit early to be "stepping up" for 2016? Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 18, 2012 07:57 AM

Seconded, along with a plea that we stop the Romney-bashing for a while. All he had to do was lose the election, and some of his loudest supporters were immediately transformed into harsh critics. "I always said Romney was a RINO loser, blahblahblahblah....."

It is by no means certain we will get to '16 without drastic changes to our way of life. Between Choom Boy and the friggin' Muzzies (but I repeat myself) and the eunuchs in Congress, what we have and what we as a nation have built over 200-plus years are at serious risk.

With that in mind, yammering about Christie or Rubio or Palin or Jindal or some local unknown as the next "choice" right now is, well, dumb.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 18, 2012 08:16 AM (yKUrR)

37 AshKente and rickl get placed in the "they get it" folder on this point.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 18, 2012 08:18 AM (BfZ1r)

38 >>>31 Romney didn't sneak in, he was pushed.

I wasn't aware that mind control signals were in use.

These were the people than ran for office. One of them got more votes than the other.

>>>Doesn't anyone find it interesting that one of the more viable candidates was derailed by a Democrat Operative? (ms allred)

Didn't have to. We did a pretty damn fine job ourselves of destroying viable candidates and making sure that no one was left standing in opposition for Romney.

Everyone just assumes that Perry said 'heartless' and that's what killed his campaign. That ignores the preceding months of Tardasil, Fifth Column Dhimmi, Crony Capitalism, N-Word Rock and Closet Homo. All dutifully pushed by conservative attack blogs to take out opposing candidates.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 08:18 AM (pzmYs)

39 >>>"At 28, she was an aide in President Bill Clinton’s National Security Council, where she once questioned embracing the term “genocide” in Rwanda because it could put Mr. Clinton in an awkward position in midterm elections." Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam

What the fuck else would she call murdering almost a million people in a couple of months because they were a different tribe? What word would the scrunt embrace? Tribecide work for her?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 18, 2012 08:18 AM (MazXE)

40 With that in mind, yammering about Christie or Rubio
or Palin or Jindal or some local unknown as the next "choice" right now
is, well, dumb.


Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 18, 2012 08:16 AM (yKUrR)


I think it would appropriate to establish what our core principles are, work on how to get a good message out without being controlled by the MFM, and establish a rational primary system.


Then we can start to select candidates.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 08:20 AM (Cnqmv)

41 "AshKente and rickl get placed in the "they get it" folder on this point."

Get what? That the "election system" is broken? Or that Romney threw the election due to being threatened? Good fucking grief.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 08:22 AM (GZitp)

42 Witnesses who were dining at My Big Fat Greek Gyro restaurant said they heard "a loud pop from outside" stepped out briefly and saw a woman on the ground grabbing her rear area. http://tinyurl.com/auad5pg

Posted by: Baldy at November 18, 2012 08:22 AM (opS9C)

43 #31 AshKente, that is tinfoilishness of the worst sort.

Romney was certain he was winning. He was stunned and Ann was devastated. He had a transition team in place. People like Portman wouldn't have spent so much time with him had they had any doubt about his desire to win.

We were outflanked by a ground game that has been in place since 2008. OFA never disbanded, they kept contact with their voters constantly (I was on their mailing list so I know). They had viewing parties for State of the Union speeches. They whipped up the college students over the stimulus package and Obamacare. They targeted ethnic communities with scare messages. This went on continuously through the past 4 years.

I consider that Romney did fine, and almost won. I am not discounting fraud, either. Cain was taken out by the left as they do with any one of their "natural" constituency who steps off their reservation. Look at how they treated Palin. Look at how they treated Bachmann, Condi Rice, etc.

You are just wrong about that statement.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 08:23 AM (GoIUi)

44 "I realize we are all a bunch of political junkies but gawd, even this is too early for me. "

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 18, 2012 07:57 AM (OWjjx)

What are you talking about? It already too late! We have lost again. Woe is me.....Let it burn! SMOD!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 08:23 AM (GsoHv)

45 36;
Well, that leaves me out as I never had much good to say about him (under another nic). Whenever I did criticize, I got the concern troll and kos kid label so I shut up.

As to : it's too soon. Yeah, I'm kinda worn out about the ELECTION and all but sadly, we have to take steps now because the choom in chief is going to be gunning for us in the next 4 years and it will take that long to purge the SOSGOP (trying a new acronym here = Same Old Shit GOP) of it's liars and RINO's.

Besides Romney deserves every bash he gets. (for the election.) and he knows it. Notice he's been out of view and the only reports are second hand tattle tale reports from those Dems still piling on.

That he had some very close well placed spies speaks volumes for the permeability of his election team and his lack of understanding the rules of the game he was playing. (there are no rules)

Neither did he understand (as most SOSGOP don't) the role of the Mass Media as shock troops and Long Range Recon for the Dems.

He appears to have thought that they game wasn't rigged and could play it straight. But a lot happened since he last ran and the Media has sunk further.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:24 AM (SP4jC)

46 Jeeebus! What a fun bunch you pricks are this morning.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 18, 2012 08:25 AM (UTq/I)

47 I think it would appropriate to establish what our
core principles are, work on how to get a good message out without being
controlled by the MFM, and establish a rational primary system. Then we can start to select candidates.


Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 08:20 AM


Now that's teh funneh, right there.

I agree it's a rational kind of idea, but you might as well say "first, we build that perpetual motion machine and then we invent the wheel."

First, define "core principles." Already, you'll be swamped by adherents to the SoCon view, the FisCon view and the Libertarian view. None will follow a plan that doesn't contain all the items on their list.

After that, you'll have reached 2040, and PETA will have gotten the vote for animals and selected sea creatures, which will throw the whole mess out the window.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 18, 2012 08:26 AM (yKUrR)

48 "I hate to get all tinfoily and stuff..."

Why? Because some around here will call names and make fun of you? I wear my hat. Besides, it's autographed by McCarthy and Goldwater.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 18, 2012 08:27 AM (GX2fm)

49 Heading off to mass. I think my time should be better spent in prayer.

Have a good morning, everyone!

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 18, 2012 08:27 AM (GoIUi)

50 Not to be tinfoily or down on the GOP or whatever, I just think this election shows us the rabbit hole is much deeper than we previously thought. Maybe a vote for Romney was a vote for hitting doze on the alarm that has been screaming at us for 20 years. No more sleeping, GOP. Wake up or we'll have to find people that are awake. Simple as that.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 18, 2012 08:27 AM (RLTt1)

51 Baldy: Are you weird about ladies asses, Baldy?

There was a guy going around stabbing women in the ass. It's actually a sexual fetish. Disgusting and dangerous.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 18, 2012 08:28 AM (MazXE)

52 As to tinfoilishness: I said "almost seems like he threw the election."

Seems. Do you speak English? I made no flat statement. His loss was a shock and highly suspect for many reasons with many suspect circumstances.

Jeesh. You act like I'm on the record at some press conference. I'm just tossing stuff out as I think it.

And so do YOU.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:29 AM (SP4jC)

53 Also you can choose to be worn out by the election, but recall that the Dems and Obama never stopped campaigning - and they still are, even in a lame duck Presidency. We'll come up and find there's no air left at this rate.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 18, 2012 08:31 AM (RLTt1)

54 Love the new minimalist style! Fab-u-lous! Reminds me of a monk's room, spartan living at it's finest.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 18, 2012 08:31 AM (BAS5M)

55 I agree with Miss Marple at #43.

The left has a fundamental advantage in that area because philosophically, they really do believe that government should be central to our lives. Therefore, they'll go the extra mile to ensure that they control it.

I don't know how we counter that with the traditional American attitude that government should be kept small and mostly stay out of our way. How can the "citizen-statesman" compete against 24/7 community organizing?

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 08:31 AM (sdi6R)

56 It is way early...but two things being put forth here are right and need to be said. Once again we let ourselves be backed into a candidate we didn't want and there is no reason at all why the same thing won't happen again if nothing changes in the GOP.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 08:32 AM (6H6FZ)

57 So - 3,000,000 people who would have voted for Romney stayed home because the big guy said that TFG was helping out when help was needed. And now we need to oppose the big guy whether or not we think his policies would help US?

Di I have this right?

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 08:32 AM (nw0Vt)

58 >>>50 Not to be tinfoily or down on the GOP or whatever, I just think this election shows us the rabbit hole is much deeper than we previously thought. Maybe a vote for Romney was a vote for hitting doze on the alarm that has been screaming at us for 20 years. No more sleeping, GOP. Wake up or we'll have to find people that are awake. Simple as that.

Read 'After America' or read it again. You'll feel a lot better.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 08:32 AM (pzmYs)

59 Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 18, 2012 08:26 AM (yKUrR)


I think you are making my point. If indeed all conservatives are "tribal" in nature and cannot come together as a "community" to establish core defensible principles, then we might as well drink ourselves to death (before the libs go for Prohibition again). If you can't take the first step, why bother to make the reservations for the hotel at the end of the journey.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 08:32 AM (Cnqmv)

60 7 Susan Rice has been carrying the water for our precious leaders for a while. From the NYT article in today's edition:

"At 28, she was an aide in President Bill Clinton’s National Security Council, where she once questioned embracing the term “genocide” in Rwanda because it could put Mr. Clinton in an awkward position in midterm elections."

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 07:38 AM (nw0Vt)
---------------------------------------------------------
Al you have to do is run a search for "Susan Rice radical" and you will find all sorts of interesting tidbits, like she influenced the decision not to go after Bin Laden during the Clinton term or that she gave a moving speech at the funeral of the Ethiopian dictator...she has shown her colors for a while

Posted by: Jimmy at November 18, 2012 08:33 AM (Kw5Iv)

61 test

Posted by: real joe at November 18, 2012 08:34 AM (PD2ad)

62 I must say, Tardisil aside, I have to give kudos to Michele Bachmann.

She is hated by both the left and the RINO's. That alone is endorsement enough for me. In all serious she exposed the Muzzie Bro'hood infiltration in our government and for her troubles she was targeted. The RCCC/RNC left her high and dry and did not give her a penny. Fuck them.

I'm very glad that she survived her reelection bid. Purge the party. TAKE BACK THE SCHOOLS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 08:34 AM (XkWWK)

63 Di do

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 08:34 AM (nw0Vt)

64 "Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:29 AM (SP4jC)"

Oh you said "almost seems", that makes it all better. Like if I were to say it almost seems like 9//11 was an inside job or it almost seem like the moon landing was filmed on a Hollywood set. I'm not really pushing a conspiracy if I put in the "almost seems" in it. Good to know.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 08:34 AM (GZitp)

65 Cain was taken out by the left as they do with any one of their
"natural" constituency who steps off their reservation. Look at how they
treated Palin. Look at how they treated Bachmann, Condi Rice, etc.


Oh hell, look at how those women and Cain were treated by people ostensibly on their own side.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 18, 2012 08:35 AM (hO8IJ)

66 Besides, why do you care if it's tinfoilish?

Because it strikes at your desire to believe that America is still fundamentally America? Where such things don't happen? Where respected and popular people don't get threatened? Where the Presidential elections don't get stolen?

I've watched 2 stolen elections where it is generally accepted that voter fraud was involved BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA! (long after the fact)

I've watched the ATTEMPTS by the Democrats to steal others. I've known people who have been threatened because of political positions they took who then CHANGED those positions.

Don't call me tinfoilish unless I'm talking UFO conspiracies or big oil hiding a 100 mpg engine or stuff like that.

What I've described has happened and therefore can happen. Whether it did or not, I don't know and I made that clear.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:37 AM (SP4jC)

67 56 SurferDoc:

Regarding open primaries, I remember they played a big role in giving us McCain. Many of us said at the time that it needed to be fixed. Nothing was done, and I remember seeing a list of primaries for 2012 that was heavily front-loaded with open primary states.

It's almost as if the GOP doesn't want it changed.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 08:38 AM (sdi6R)

68 Our Own Side helped the media stab every one of the conservative candidates in the face.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 08:38 AM (6H6FZ)

69 Like it or not, here is the future of the GOP.

tinyurl.com/b5fgc6c


Posted by: Fritz at November 18, 2012 08:39 AM (mqdAz)

70 >>>65 Oh hell, look at how those women and Cain were treated by people ostensibly on their own side.

I do remember the comments lighting up with the call to go out and 'find these women and destroy them forever' after the allegations broke.

As for Cain...eh, did it to himself.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 08:40 AM (pzmYs)

71 this just proves what I have suspected all along...Democrats are just sooooo much more compassionate than Republicans. I mean who would ever thought that those man and nasty Republicans would provide Homeless permits

http://tinyurl.com/d7btxkt

Posted by: Jimmy at November 18, 2012 08:40 AM (Kw5Iv)

72 Well gee, I'm so glad to learn that there is no such thing as conspiracies.
I guess I can place that conspiracy word in the does not exist folder, along with the word evil.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 18, 2012 08:40 AM (QbKVX)

73 Michele Bachmann ran for President knowing she was unqualified by her dual citizenship. She's not on the up and up as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:40 AM (SP4jC)

74 Is there a pair of elbows I missed or should

[Picture Content Here]

be

[Kaizen Content Here]

Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2012 08:40 AM (MOWP1)

75 67 It's almost as if the GOP doesn't want it changed.
Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 08:38 AM (sdi6R)

THIS. The GOP have a vested interest in the status quo. I refer you (and all) to Angelo Codevilla's brilliant essay from 2010:

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 08:41 AM (XkWWK)

76 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 08:34 AM (XkWWK)

Perhaps we need a finishing school for prospective candidates?

Abortion? Shut the fuck up.
Birth Control? Shut the fuck up.
47%? Shut the fuck up.

The narrative should be a positive presentation of what limited government can do for YOU!



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 08:41 AM (GsoHv)

77 73 Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:40 AM (SP4jC)

Wha?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 08:42 AM (XkWWK)

78 76 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 08:41 AM (GsoHv)


Maybe a finishing school too for the electorate who continue to watch the MFM. Good morning, dude!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 08:43 AM (XkWWK)

79 If you need a permit to be homeless...you might have too much government.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 18, 2012 08:43 AM (hO8IJ)

80 Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:40 AM (SP4jC)

You are incorrect. There is no prohibition against duel citizenship. And she has asked the Swiss government to withdraw her Swiss citizenship.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 08:44 AM (GsoHv)

81 Oops my mistake: She was ELIGIBLE for dual citizenship.

Read the article wrong a long time ago and it stuck in my head that she WAS citizen of Switzerland when she ran.

Now THAT was tinfoilish.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:45 AM (SP4jC)

82 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 08:43 AM (XkWWK)

And a good morning to you too!

As for the people who watch the MBM? Shock collars and bats will work better.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 08:45 AM (GsoHv)

83 "I'm so glad to learn that there is no such thing as conspiracies."

There was no fucking conspiracy to steal the election or to have Romney throw it. Nobody had to. Wake the fuck up, we are a liberal/statist nation, a move that's been happening for years. We may have been deluding ourselves that maybe this election was our last hope but it's no big mystery that it wasn't and why we lost big.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 08:46 AM (GZitp)

84 "It's almost as if the GOP doesn't want it changed."

The GOP establishment doesn't want anything that threatens their control. People like Cain and Palin were not creatures of the power structure and had to be neutralized. Both were self-made people who were not going to knuckle under to the old hands when they tried to tell them how to do things and who to appoint.

Also, these campaign consultants get hired because they are part of a pool of known quantities who will produce desired results. They are not threat to the existing order.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 08:46 AM (6H6FZ)

85 Permits? We don't need no stinkin permits!

Posted by: the homeless at November 18, 2012 08:47 AM (nw0Vt)

86 I don't think you can be President with dual citizenship.

At the very least, it would be highly suspect to the voters.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:47 AM (SP4jC)

87 [Picture witty and profound comment here]

Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 08:49 AM (X6akg)

88 I don't think you can be President with dual citizenship.

At the very least, it would be highly suspect to the voters.



If there is even a hint of that, voters flee.

Posted by: TFG at November 18, 2012 08:50 AM (z9HTb)

89 If you have the media kissing your ass, no qualifications such as dual citizenship will ever be examined.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 08:50 AM (6H6FZ)

90 What address do I put on that permit application?

Posted by: the homeless at November 18, 2012 08:50 AM (nw0Vt)

91 81 Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:45 AM (SP4jC)

No prob. I never heard anything about that. Marco Rubio's name kept cropping up that he had citizenship/eligibility problems. Anyway, he now has ideological problems as he keeps drifting away from conservatism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 08:51 AM (XkWWK)

92 Politicians are cult leaders. They head up personality cults, with TFG being the ultimate example in US politics. There is no other explanation for having a Congress with an 11% approval rating being reelected at 90+% rates year after year.

Recall the 2010 election, and the record setting turnover of seats in the House. Guess what? It was a huge change by historical standards, but 86% of incumbents that ran that year got reelected.

You can see a chart of the %s at the link in my sig.

It's true that this isn't the whole picture, as some wisely decide to retire when the writing is on the wall that they will have a hard time winning. But still, this chart is a damning indictment of our entire election process.

There ya go, my content for the day.


Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2012 08:52 AM (ccXZP)

93
Obama and the democrats now have 4 more years to expand the number of people that rely on government handouts. They were wildly successful over the past four years in expanding the "base". I imagine, given the total lack of change in the republican leadership, Obama and his minions will be just assuccessful in the next four years as well.
It won't matter who the republicans put up in 2016. The 51% will have grown by then locking in democrats for a long time.
I depress myself.

Posted by: jj at November 18, 2012 08:52 AM (gWO5X)

94 The end of the Twinkie as we know it should serve as a classic example of how unions are a type of parasite that kills their Hostess....

Posted by: bobo at November 18, 2012 08:53 AM (baOaV)

95 [Picture witty and profound comment here]


[Exclamation of mirth, noting witticism in a such a way as to validate my own cleverness]

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 08:53 AM (z9HTb)

96 Was the "picture content" a Pro Cheerleader (i.e., one with mega boobs?)

Posted by: Barry S at November 18, 2012 08:54 AM (FEYJd)

97 >>>The GOP establishment doesn't want anything that threatens their control. People like Cain and Palin were not creatures of the power structure and had to be neutralized.

Then why did John McCain, King of All RINOs, nominate her and elevate her to the national spotlight in the first place?

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 08:54 AM (pzmYs)

98 She supposedly became eligible for Swiss citizenship when she married her current husband. I think I read where she has actually done so but that was after she dropped out of the race.

Even so, I looked and the holder of dual citizenship is not necessarily barred from running or accepting and elected position as long as they fulfill the qualifications necessary (such as being a citizen or natural born citizen) for the office.

Again the Office of Tinfoilishness regrets the error.

Now about that Area 51 . . .

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:55 AM (SP4jC)

99 BANGKOK - President Barack Obama kicked off a three-country Asian tour with a visit to Thailand on Sunday, using his first post-election trek overseas to try to show he is serious about shifting the U.S. strategic focus eastwards.





Barry in Bangkok Thailand. He's going to celebrate re-election with a bevy of lady boys

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 18, 2012 08:55 AM (rSasF)

100 [Exclamation of mirth, noting witticism in a such a way as to validate my own cleverness]


Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 08:53 AM (z9HTb)


[Zinging retort!!!]

Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 08:56 AM (X6akg)

101 why we lost big

We didn't 'lose big'. We need to play the Electoral College like a mint condition Stradivarius violin. McCain lost by six states, one million votes. Romney by four states, 400,000 votes. I don't care how good the candidate is or isn't, if you don't know the states that are going to decide the election beforehand and put your resources into them, you're gonna lose by a squeaker every time. Screw worrying about the popular vote, it is meaningless. Collecting 270 electoral votes is the goal.

When I heard Romney was coming to Pennsylvania a couple of times during the final week all I could say was 'wtf?'.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 18, 2012 08:56 AM (feFL6)

102 Why does this application for being homeless state that I agree to be a registered Democrat?

Posted by: the homeless at November 18, 2012 08:56 AM (nw0Vt)

103 bobo at November 18, 2012 08:53 AM (baOaV)

No. Oh no. Not those corny jokes. NO!

I hates puns and punny people.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:56 AM (SP4jC)

104
I don't think you can be President with dual citizenship.

At the very least, it would be highly suspect to the non-Democrat voters.


Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:47 AM


Fixed it for ya.

Choom Boy was a dual citizen, and very likely still is. When your alleged Daddy is a Kenyan, so are you.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 18, 2012 08:57 AM (yKUrR)

105 92 GnuBreed:

Ayup. The majority of Congressional districts have been gerrymandered into safe R or safe D.

I don't have the numbers, but I think it's actually easier to defeat an incumbent Senator than Congressman.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 08:58 AM (sdi6R)

106 BANGKOK - President Barack Obama kicked off a three-country Asian tour
with a visit to Thailand on Sunday, using his first post-election trek
overseas to try to show he is serious about shifting the U.S. strategic
focus eastwards.



Note to self: Talk to French about purchasing Dassault jets fighters.

Posted by: Thai minister of defense at November 18, 2012 08:58 AM (z9HTb)

107 One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble.

(but not in HIS case)

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 08:58 AM (SP4jC)

108 "a move that's been happening for years."

And there is an organization that has had people in positions of power within the govt for well over 50 years, pushing us towards world statism, no matter which "party" was in power. Goldwater tried to warn us about them.

Why do I even bother with this one. Put him in the willfully blind folder months ago.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 18, 2012 08:59 AM (BfZ1r)

109 The end of the Twinkie as we know it should serve as a classic example of how unions are a type of parasite that kills their Hostess

thread winner!

Posted by: Fox2! at November 18, 2012 08:59 AM (1Qpmy)

110 "And there is an organization that has had people in positions of power
within the govt for well over 50 years, pushing us towards world
statism, no matter which "party" was in power."

What the fuck?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 09:01 AM (GZitp)

111 [Zinging retort!!!]


[clever comment that is more venom than wit]

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:01 AM (z9HTb)

112 >>>110 What the fuck?

It rhymes with Gilded Burger.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:02 AM (pzmYs)

113 [peace maker attempts to derail impending flame war with lame pleas of the sisterhood of the moron horde]

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 09:03 AM (SP4jC)

114 And this box here. It's already checked off that I am of the correct ethnic group that allows the local government to qualify for Federal grants.

Posted by: the homeless at November 18, 2012 09:04 AM (nw0Vt)

115 "Then why did John McCain, King of All RINOs, nominate her (Palin) and elevate her to the national spotlight in the first place?"

He was desperate for a game changer and a Dark Horse, Female Type was just the thing. Notice he has been clobbered for that decision ever since.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 09:04 AM (6H6FZ)

116 [clever comment that is more venom than wit]


Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:01 AM (z9HTb)


[Hurtful comment directed at your parental units.]

Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 09:04 AM (X6akg)

117 It rhymes with Gilded Burger.


You don't want to work there. That place sucks.

Posted by: young Judge Reinhold at November 18, 2012 09:04 AM (z9HTb)

118 [You mad bro'?]

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 09:04 AM (Cnqmv)

119 It rhymes with Gilded Burger.
Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:02 AM (pzmYs)

Now there. There's tinfoil hat territory.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 09:04 AM (SP4jC)

120 [Hurtful comment directed at your parental units.]


[hints at lack of intelligence, invokes crossbow]

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:05 AM (z9HTb)

121 [hints at lack of intelligence, invokes crossbow]


Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:05 AM (z9HTb)


[Farts in your general direction. LONGBOW!!!]

Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 09:06 AM (X6akg)

122 [male morons try to ignore flame war but one of them stumbles into the cross fire]

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 09:08 AM (SP4jC)

123 [Mentions HA with disdain to look cool and change subject to neutral ground.]

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 09:08 AM (6H6FZ)

124 111 [Zinging retort!!!]

[clever comment that is more venom than wit]


Time to haul out this oldie but goodie:

http://faultline.org/site/item/incendiary/

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 09:08 AM (sdi6R)

125 I think AoS should allow invocation of King Edward's Rule that states whenever both longbows and crossbows have been invoked in a thread, then the thread is officially disestablished and a new thread appears!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 09:09 AM (Cnqmv)

126 Can't wait to hear my constituents wailing when they find out we are more than doubling their sewer bills to fund the repercussions from the Consent Decree with the EPA.

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 09:09 AM (nw0Vt)

127 This thread reveals why a new party is needed.

There is a group in the GOP, this is the group that has 100% of the power in the party, that thinks running a Massachussets Democrat ex-governor who championed socialized health care, bank bailouts, and carbon trading, was actually a good idea.

It was not.

These parasites then say, "But, if you gave a third party, Dems will win the Presidency and the senate, and the GOP will just roll over and die in the house! And besides, how will we get lots of money to keep doing nothing?!?!?!"

The parasites have killed the host. It's time to leave them behind and move on.

Romney was a horrible candidate, and the entire GOP establishment is DemLite. The entire GOP platform is DemLite.

Not only should we be attacking Romney, we should be keeping a list if those that pushed him onto us. And banning those Dems from the new party. Guys, I hate to break the news to you, but Romneys staff was Massachusets Dems and Bloomberg Dems. Orca was ran by a Bloomberg man. Are you fools finally figuring out that these people got tge outcome they wanted? 4 more years of Obama policies.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 09:10 AM (ven16)

128 [loses track of multiple sub-threads and wanders off to breakfast]

Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2012 09:10 AM (MOWP1)

129 Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 09:08 AM (sdi6R)


The AoS style book in a single URL!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 09:11 AM (Cnqmv)

130 105 rickl,

The only realistic cure for this pattern is term limits. Obviously the electorate is too stupid as a class to see that they are proving Einstein's Insanity Theorem over and over and over.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2012 09:11 AM (ccXZP)

131 http://faultline.org/site/item/incendiary/


[This sentence contains a link to an Internet video featuring a cat playing a piano.]

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:11 AM (z9HTb)

132 We're DOOMED I tell you, DOOMED!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 09:12 AM (Cnqmv)

133 [what did I miss]

Posted by: sTevo at November 18, 2012 09:13 AM (VMcEw)

134 [male morons try to ignore flame war but one of them stumbles into the cross fire]


[waves dick around to remind others of gender]

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:13 AM (z9HTb)

135 [baby Jesus starts crying somewhere around here]

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 18, 2012 09:14 AM (RLTt1)

136 115 SurferDoc:

I saw an article a few months ago, either at American Thinker or PJM, that suggested that McCain's pick of Palin indicated that he was trying to throw the election by picking a total unknown.

He compared it to Mel Brooks' "The Producers". Nobody knew that she would catch fire the way she did. It's an interesting hypothesis.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 09:14 AM (sdi6R)

137 Content so hard hitting you will think you're reading the most perfectest man to ever park his ass at 1600 Penn's thesis.....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:14 AM (LRFds)

138
you know that politics has far too much influence over our lives. A hundred years ago, it didn't much matter to the average person who the President was.





Politics has far too much influence over our lives whether we pay attention to it or not. Government is involved in EVERYTHING. We SHOULD care who the President is, when the present POTUS can take away anything and everything at a moment's notice and there is not thing one we can do to stop it.




Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 18, 2012 09:15 AM (DoZD+)

139 Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2012 09:11 AM (ccXZP)

And the ruling classes (R and D) will move Heaven and Earth, and do everything in their power to prevent term limits from becoming reality.


Dynastic House and Senate seats (or Presidential succession a la Bush) are a perversion, but we keep on re-electing the douches.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 09:15 AM (Cnqmv)

140 >>>There is a group in the GOP, this is the group that has 100% of the power in the party, that thinks running a Massachussets Democrat ex-governor who championed socialized health care, bank bailouts, and carbon trading, was actually a good idea.

???

I'm sorry. Did the GOP deploy mind-control waves to push Romney down our throats?

Even some of the most hated national RINOs didn't support Romney. Kristol wanted Ryan. Coulter pushed for Christie. Morrissey pushed Pawlenty and then Santorum. I can't think of anyone, anywhere that supported Romney until he was pretty much the last one left.

But I guess I have to spend the next 4 years hearing about how the Beltway Elite forced Romney on all of us.

We have always been at war with EastEstablishment.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:15 AM (pzmYs)

141 The GOP Elite doesn't mind losing to the Dems. It is a nice soft deal in the Minority, no responsibility and the paychecks and graft keep right on coming.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 09:16 AM (6H6FZ)

142 [waves dick around to remind others of gender]


Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:13 AM (z9HTb)


[Links to Asian boobeh pics that distracts morons from bracket war.]
http://tinyurl.com/d2unzbc

Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 09:16 AM (X6akg)

143 Regarding the "yutes" and the future of conservatism, classic liberty branch thereof.

Thesis: dislike of the GOP does not automatically imply irreversible enthusiasm for the Democrat one. You just have to give them a better product.

I have a reason for this following (ignore the conductor--obviously a man who gets into his work):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQwGTe_

Don't Give Up the Ship. Libertatem Resurgit.

Posted by: J. at November 18, 2012 09:17 AM (Oou6U)

144 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 18, 2012 09:18 AM (5DR1j)

145 Is Vic on strike, holding out for more money? We're behind him 100 percent! We've got plenty of time-tested methods to ensure success.

Posted by: Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers' International Union at November 18, 2012 09:18 AM (feFL6)

146 Posted by: J. at November 18, 2012 09:17 AM (Oou6U)

Bad link ( at least for me).

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 18, 2012 09:19 AM (Cnqmv)

147 Culture.

If we want to win the WH we need someone like the big guy that makes appearances on SNL 'n at.

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 09:19 AM (nw0Vt)

148 Did samwise get more than just a "time out"?

Posted by: BignJames at November 18, 2012 09:19 AM (j7iSn)

149 Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 09:16 AM

Leave it to a moronette to remind all that certain basics will always control the HQ.

We are suffering because there were no kitteh pictures on the ONT.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 18, 2012 09:19 AM (yKUrR)

150 136 RickL,

It could be, the things that made her attractive all kidding about Librarian the Milf aside were her grasp of energy needs and ability to incentivize drilling in off peak profit times.

The GOP not tapping into the unarguable facts of the economy vis a vis energy is heartbreaking.

1) we need strategic control of our energy solution.

2) we have plenty of energy resources in the US

3) to put 23 million Americans back to work on REAL jobs means we need to be competitive on the global market we can sacrifice either wages, energy expense, or tax costs to the investor class.

The democrats reject point one on their religious crusade for Unicorn gas, they lock us out of point two because of point 1 and have convinced me they don't give a fuck about point 3 at all.

Math and Economics are tag teaming the American people right now and evidently the American people love looking at Donk ass cracks.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:19 AM (LRFds)

151 Off to church in a few, but I'm on-call this weekend (yay) which means that instead of a somewhat leisurely morning, I get to fix a problem with some other company's FTP server.

Awesome.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 18, 2012 09:20 AM (5DR1j)

152
IDF kills Hamas rocket launching unit chief
Published: 11.18.12, 16:04 / Israel News



The IAF hit the home of Ihya Abia, Hamas's chief rocket launching unit on Sunday. Abia, a senior Hamas official was killed. He was responsible for the majority of rockets fired at Israel in the past days. (Yoav Zitun)

Posted by: Thunderb at November 18, 2012 09:21 AM (Dnbau)

153 138 katya:
That was the point I was trying to make. Our obsession with politics is a direct result of the overwhelming power that government has today. It wasn't like that 100 years ago. It sure isn't healthy.

141 SurferDoc:
Yep. Exactly like Europe. The majority changes hands every now and then, but things go on much the same. I'm convinced that that's what the GOP establishment wants.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 09:21 AM (sdi6R)

154 "but I'm on-call this weekend (yay) which means that instead of a
somewhat leisurely morning, I get to fix a problem with some other
company's FTP server."

Get a job with Pixy, seems they only work a couple hours a week.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 09:22 AM (GZitp)

155 http://tinyurl.com/mj8o64

This is still up? Jeeziz the GOP really is out of it

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 18, 2012 09:22 AM (RLTt1)

156 Who wants pie?

Posted by: The GOP at November 18, 2012 09:23 AM (6JMZR)

157 51 Posted by: Walkers! at November 18, 2012 08:28 AM (MazXE) - Nope, I am not. Just thought it another odd Pittsburgh story.

Posted by: Baldy at November 18, 2012 09:23 AM (opS9C)

158 Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 09:16 AM (X6akg)

Your objectification of women is offensive.

Please stop....or at least have a ginger or two for the good comments they generate.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 09:23 AM (GsoHv)

159 "It rhymes with Guilder Burger."

Bzzzt. While a layer of the same cake, not the answer we were looking for. Care to try again? Might want to read Barry's book first.
And remember, McCarthy was painted as a kook too. And then the Soviet Union fell and we got a look into some KGB files. Remind me again what we found.
Look up War is a Racket.
Think (I know it's not pleasant to second guess yourself) about the two types of "groups" who profit the most from wars and arms build ups. One is easy to figure out. Eisenhower warned you about that one.

That's enough for you to study for one day, though I know you won't.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 18, 2012 09:23 AM (PNi9V)

160 >>>155 http://tinyurl.com/mj8o64
This is still up? Jeeziz the GOP really is out of it

WHOA, Mr. Peabody. The Wayback Machine just turned itself on.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:23 AM (pzmYs)

161 Sonny Eliot has died, age 91. Who?
http://tinyurl.com/anugveh
Every local-news "weather fairy" wants to grow up to be Sonny Eliot.
I've been in bars one-state-over where the bartender would change channels from whatever else was on, because it wasn't weather unless you heard it from Sonny. Nobody wanted to miss his monologue.

He learned his schtick putting on skits in Stalag Luft I, after the B-24 he piloted was shot down. As Sonny might have said, "Now that's funny."

Posted by: comatus at November 18, 2012 09:24 AM (qaVK+)

162 Please stop....or at least have a ginger or two for the good comments they generate.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 09:23 AM (GsoHv)




Ok, fine....here:


http://tinyurl.com/dyytry5

Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 09:25 AM (X6akg)

163 138 Katya,

Correct and that is at the heart of where my "Run Red and get ready" thesis comes from.

You want to talk about "conservative counter culture humor potential"?

Imagine a show or comedy troupe that had as a character the most annoyingly Donk ass hyper liberal harpie dolled up to look like Pelosi going around micromanaging a sitcom about a working family's daily life....

show the characters going into the bathroom and getting coached "your toilet paper has too many phosphates" "your shower is not green enough too much water flow" "your towel the softener has too many phosphates" and on and on and on....

hell first episode would be just getting your teeth brushed.

They will never stop and they hire more and more takers and by that I mean defacto GS level welfare recipients....

if you are a GS whose life is dedicated to figuring out how to get Calgon bath powders removed from market frankly go fuck yourself and get off my fucking back.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:25 AM (LRFds)

164 I'm convinced that that's what the GOP establishment wants.

got. they've got what they want.

The most hard fought and fretted over election in years and Boehner cracks that he slept like a baby.

And on the next day after (or was it days?) he starts making concessionary comments to His Choomness. (and then tries to take them back when the shtf.)

HE'S the only one standing in the way of Choom Boy?

What a weak reed to rely on.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 09:26 AM (SP4jC)

165 >> Did samwise get more than just a "time out"?

BignJames, he can wear his banhammer status with pride. You have to work hard to get banned from this joint.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2012 09:26 AM (ccXZP)

166 I'm here! If by "stepping up" you mean seriously "stepping ON"!! You will be seeing me on the horizon!

Posted by: SMOD (2012 Mayan election calendar)


Don't tease me!

Sad that i think a Road Warrior world would be better than where we are headed.

Posted by: Paladin at November 18, 2012 09:26 AM (JjjTb)

167 143 143 Regarding the "yutes" and the future of conservatism, classic liberty branch thereof.

Thesis: dislike of the GOP does not automatically imply irreversible enthusiasm for the Democrat one. You just have to give them a better product..."

Posted by: J. at November 18, 2012 09:17 AM (Oou6U)


Conservatism = equality of opportunity, individual liberty, personal responsibility, hard work, make it on your own yet lend a hand to those in need as you see fit, the rule of law, limited government interference in your personal life, American exceptionalism.

Liberalism = anything and everything goes, America has been the problem in the world since its founding, life is unfair and it's up to government to run everything to make it fair, give me free shit, my parents suck, it's not and never will be my fault, people who are somehow successful on their own must have cheated and/or stole it to get it from innocent poor people, we must be punished as a nation for our sins. GIMME, GIMME, GIMME. And... the Joos are evil.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 09:27 AM (XkWWK)

168 [Links to Asian boobeh pics that distracts morons from bracket war.]

I got some nasty malware from that site. Found it's way past AVG.

[No, not kidding]

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:27 AM (z9HTb)

169 Like this......

http://tinyurl.com/a6d3sls

NSFW (sort of)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 09:27 AM (GsoHv)

170 >>>159 "It rhymes with Guilder Burger."
Bzzzt. While a layer of the same cake, not the answer we were looking for. Care to try again? Might want to read Barry's book first.
And remember, McCarthy was painted as a kook too. And then the Soviet Union fell and we got a look into some KGB files. Remind me again what we found.
Look up War is a Racket.
Think (I know it's not pleasant to second guess yourself) about the two types of "groups" who profit the most from wars and arms build ups. One is easy to figure out. Eisenhower warned you about that one.

It's Ancient Aliens isn't it? That's where all these roads lead anyway. Always higher and higher until BAM! it was Xenu all along.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:28 AM (pzmYs)

171 I must have imagined those Romney Shills posting venom on every Palin thread at HA for two years who "hadn't picked a candidate yet" but all turned out to be Romneybots after Palin was mortally wounded. I guess they aren't telling me Romney was a good candidate now. I remember, he was "electable". I forgot my programming for a minute

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 09:28 AM (6H6FZ)

172 166 Paladin,

I'd rather be that free than have essentially the Feds treating me like a combination of special needs child/prisoner for the rest of my life.

I am so looking forward to starting at the ocean w bit and deciding some things.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:28 AM (LRFds)

173 Baldy - I live near Pittsburgh and don't find it odd that someone got capped in the ass in downtown.

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 09:29 AM (nw0Vt)

174 Okay, we'll give you everything you want. But only if you pinky swear to give us one thing we want. Promise?

Posted by: The GOP at November 18, 2012 09:29 AM (6JMZR)

175 159,

Cut those facts out! Otherwise the Mittards will start calling you a Paultard!

Next you'll be crazy for pointing out that the federal reserve is what allows the government to debase currency, fund a massive welfare state, and run nigh-endless deficits! Crazy Paultard!

Now shut up and support the democratic governor from Massachussets who champions the conservative causes of RomneyCare, bank bailouts, and carbon credits!

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 09:30 AM (jKE+l)

176 "I don't have the numbers, but I think it's actually easier to defeat an incumbent Senator than Congressman."

True for the general, but a lot easier in the primary, and easiest in a closed primary.

As for Romney - what I recall is a primary candidate who was resolutely to the left of his (conservative) opponents, with a ton of money used for a scorched-earth ad campaign against the 2nd-place (conservative) guy. All the while, the Boston Boys were touting Flip's "electability". Bah.

And yes, the link at #75 is well worth a re-read.

Posted by: mrp at November 18, 2012 09:30 AM (HjPtV)

177
I got some nasty malware from that site. Found it's way past AVG.



[No, not kidding]

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:27 AM (z9HTb)


Ooops.....sorry!

Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 09:31 AM (X6akg)

178 165 >> Did samwise get more than just a "time out"?

BignJames, he can wear his banhammer status with pride. You have to work hard to get banned from this joint.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2012 09:26 AM (ccXZP)

Oh he did.....I've worn out the scroll wheel on my mouse.

Posted by: BignJames at November 18, 2012 09:32 AM (j7iSn)

179 167 JJ Sefton,

My 560TI vid card decided to volunteer for the RMA bobsled course and I decided I would get a 6th gen second tier card.

I had a hispanic worker at Fry's up north of Indianapolis laughing when he overheard the wife and I talking about Candy Crowley acting like John Wayne in Sands of Iwo Jima.

They can be reached but not by talking past them or pretending they have common touchstones with us so deep they innately understand our frames of reference.

I pantomimed a fat ass hopping on a grenade to save Barry from a fact.

Anyway the point is these kids are hedonists with huge self-esteem, they would be insulted by how child like the donks pretend they are if the case was made.

The GOP needs to sell its libertarian views on economics as compared ot the donks.

National pie cutter resonated with the kid as well.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:32 AM (LRFds)

180 The last Republican mayor in Pittsburgh retired in 1933.

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 09:32 AM (nw0Vt)

181 "Now shut up and support the democratic governor
from Massachussets who champions the conservative causes of RomneyCare,
bank bailouts, and carbon credits!"

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 09:30 AM (jKE+l)

Where do we find these people?

Try learning a little bit about federalism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 09:32 AM (GsoHv)

182 163 comments were fun while it lasted.

Posted by: Museisluse at November 18, 2012 09:33 AM (SsWgR)

183 maybe it is a bit early to be "stepping up" for 2016?

I think it's because politically people have the attention span of a cat. We jump on the new and fresh, and into the Great Unknown. Seasoned people always have one thing that cannot be tolerated. Face it we need a benevolent Emperor ... Empress would work for me, if she were a really cold-hearted bitch.

Posted by: Paladin at November 18, 2012 09:34 AM (JjjTb)

184 >>>171 I must have imagined those Romney Shills posting venom on every Palin thread at HA for two years who "hadn't picked a candidate yet" but all turned out to be Romneybots after Palin was mortally wounded. I guess they aren't telling me Romney was a good candidate now. I remember, he was "electable". I forgot my programming for a minute

Are you f*cking serious? ROMNEY supporters were being rude and obnoxious on the interwebs? On HA of all places?

Go back to the AoSHQ archives, starting at about May 2011 when Pawlenty announced all the way until October 2011 when Palin said she wasn't running.

C4Palin carpet bombed every single candidate they could with lies and bullshit. It was a actually a meme; 'in before Palin-troll'. The other meme was 'dear god, I hope this thread doesn't get linked to Hot Air to bring in the Palinistas.'

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:34 AM (pzmYs)

185 It's an interesting combination. I have a screen that states, including computer generated voice, that my computer is locked for violation of federal law.


There are instruction to purchase a particular kind of money order to pay the fine, then enter the key for said money order into a box on the screen.


I've got 48 hours to pay the fine.

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:36 AM (z9HTb)

186 182 Museleise,

Ok message received.

Out

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:37 AM (LRFds)

187 Of course, you are right, It all happened the way you say it did. Romney was a wonderful candidate. Let's run him again.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 09:37 AM (6H6FZ)

188 185 Fluffy,

It's just another Phisihing scheme....

use your AV to scrub your rig....con folk are preyingon the unroadworthy I've been RSVPd away.

Have a good sunday.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:38 AM (LRFds)

189 And to think, with palin on ticket we barely got 2 million mire votes than RomneyCareBankBailout.

Mittards: here is why you lost. O'RomneyCare, BankBailouts, CarbonCredits.

Romney was and remains identical to Obama on a host of issues. It was not a clear difference. Which us why Palin was banished from the Convention, and the convention rules change occurred.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 09:39 AM (H1od7)

190 Interesting....not sure I wanna see the evidence

http://tinyurl.com/dx37ncj

Posted by: BignJames at November 18, 2012 09:40 AM (j7iSn)

191 Ooops.....sorry!


Tami, this is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:40 AM (z9HTb)

192 Extraordinary white humpback whale off Norway

Isn't that one of signs of the coming Apocalypse, like the white buffalo? Or was it a White Buffalo Riding a White Humpback Whale on Leno?

Posted by: Paladin at November 18, 2012 09:41 AM (JjjTb)

193 139 Hrothgar:
Dynastic House and Senate seats (or Presidential succession a la Bush) are a perversion, but we keep on re-electing the douches.


Each party convinces its voters that they must vote for their guy, or else the other party's guy will win, and that would be horrible.

Then a social conservative or libertarian pipes up and says, "I refuse to play their game any more" and they get flamed and called a purist or a Paulbot.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 09:41 AM (sdi6R)

194 Remember "The GOP should stop spending millions on media ads, and just buy up some media outlets"?

As it turns out, who d'ya s'pose controls Clear Channel, the biggest radio chain?

http://tinyurl.com/aq4fg9t

There's the old dilemma of corporate governance: the fine line between "invest," "control," "influence," and (what nobody wants) "own."

Posted by: comatus at November 18, 2012 09:42 AM (qaVK+)

195 Good Morning, friends in a box.
Just when I thought it was safe to go on facebook, I still have closet libs coming out of the woodwork over twinkiegate.
You'll never guess who they are blaming... Well here's a taste of what they are posting.
"While Hostess management wants to blame BCTGM International Union members for its demise, the truth is that had it had not been for the valiant efforts of BCTGM members over the last 8 years, including accepting significant wage and benefit concessions after the first bankruptcy, this company would have gone out of business long ago."
ahh, it never ends...

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2012 09:42 AM (pwTow)

196 Second look at LAUP NOR, if the rich old white guys push another rich old white guy else SARAHCUDA!
Bite-ME!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry Or SubMitt at November 18, 2012 09:43 AM (WwSGH)

197 It's just another Phisihing scheme....

use your AV to scrub your rig....con folk are preyingon the unroadworthy I've been RSVPd away.



Unfortunately, they managed to install something that grabs the foreground and doesn't let go. Can't even get to my Taskbar.


I'll have to research on this machine, then start that puppy in DOS.

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:43 AM (z9HTb)

198 179 Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:32 AM (LRFds)

As seemingly impossible a task as it may be, we have got to get the schools back. It may be too late for the past 3 generations, but for the future - if there is one.

Home schooling and more Marva Collins type academies where like-minded people control the curriculum.

And you can bet if/when they start springing up, the leftists will use every instrument of government and the legal system to try and shut it down. I cannot believe I just wrote that last sentence, considering its implications.

Just, wow.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 09:43 AM (XkWWK)

199 Romney could have won. I'm hearing there to be three causes: (1) ORCA, (2) He didn't address Obama's negative campaigning in the swing states, (3) silly things said by republicans that fed into the GOP sexism, intolerance meme.

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 18, 2012 09:44 AM (H7qBA)

200 A hundred years ago, it didn't much matter to the average person who the President was.

Wasn't there a movie with Jimmy Stewart Hank Fonda about being a "Republican Businessman" in the 1880's? If course Jimmy did just inherit a whorehouse. As Jayne Cobb said so well "I'm in!"

Posted by: Paladin at November 18, 2012 09:45 AM (JjjTb)

201 >>>187 Of course, you are right, It all happened the way you say it did. Romney was a wonderful candidate. Let's run him again.

>>>Mittards: here is why you lost. O'RomneyCare, BankBailouts, CarbonCredits.

So, you both voted for Obama then?

Because the only time I can recall anyone lining up behind Romney was after he had won the nomination and those were the only two options.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:46 AM (pzmYs)

202 I already found something about it. I need to install another virus, though.


It's called cbslocalDOTcom

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:46 AM (z9HTb)

203 In other words, Romney beat Romney.

Posted by: mrp at November 18, 2012 09:46 AM (HjPtV)

204 179 Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:32 AM (LRFds)

The other thing is the culture and the MFM reinforce what children have been brainwashed with. The leaders of those institutions and the cultural icons of the day all came from the public schools and then the universities.

Yipes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 09:46 AM (XkWWK)

205 Tami, this is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: fluffy at November 18, 2012 09:40 AM (z9HTb)


I really am sorry. Viruses suck. I didn't get any warning but am running a virus scan just in case.
I promise not to link to any more boobeh pics.

Posted by: Tami at November 18, 2012 09:47 AM (X6akg)

206 God how I wish now that we would have run the Palin/Paul/Limbaugh/Goldwater conservative dream team this fall. We would have lost even worse but maybe these idiots would have gained a clue. Probably not though, I'm sure they still would blame it on some vast conspiracy.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 09:47 AM (GZitp)

207 200 Wasn't there a movie with Jimmy Stewart Hank Fonda about being a "Republican Businessman" in the 1880's? If course Jimmy did just inherit a whorehouse. As Jayne Cobb said so well "I'm in!"
Posted by: Paladin at November 18, 2012 09:45 AM (JjjTb)

1969-70, "The Cheyenne Social Club"

Not a bad flick. Nothing great, just not bad for two aging movie stars from the 30's/40's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 09:47 AM (XkWWK)

208 What do you guys think about the claims by Anonymous? They said they Hacked into ORCA. Is that even possible?

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2012 09:47 AM (pwTow)

209 "...and they get flamed and called a purist or a Paulbot."

You forgot a Palinista. Or accused of being a jooo hater/blamer. It's Alinsky tactics.

Meh. Been accused of worse by better.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 18, 2012 09:47 AM (JCIjD)

210 4.) Voter fraud
5.) the fucking inability of the Repunks to call a lying communist spawn of Bill Ayers a Lyin communist Lying spawn of Bill Ayers and thus let the Numero Uno single biggest killer of US Navy Seals skate into orrifice on 50% approval! Seal Team six got Bin Laden Obama got Seal Team Six!
Obama called on the Seals to kill and they did the Seals called on Obama to not get killed and he went to Vegas! WORD!
PS Karl Rove sucks!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at November 18, 2012 09:49 AM (WwSGH)

211 I have found that installing a do not track add on will help keep a lot of malware out in the first place.

this is on firefox also so there's that. If you're using any level of IE (unless you're updating window) you really should consider a move to a different browser.

On a test, I found out that the do not tracking software was actually hiding certain ports and while allowing pings to respond (so that like here at the HQ my IP addy is known) wouldn't allow any input. kewl! (that's actually what the test software report said. )

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 09:49 AM (SP4jC)

212 206 Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 09:47 AM (GZitp)


Goldwater lost because JFK was assassinated and LBJ was a crook.

Remember Reagan had two landslides in a row in '80 and '84 and out-Goldwatered Goldwater in his platform.

The key is an articulate and vocal conservative candidate and party that is not afraid to hit back with all they've got.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 09:49 AM (XkWWK)

213 Always learn something from the Moron Horde. Quote you guys on a daily basis. Would never criticize.

Having said that....Ha Ha, here comes the criticism. I can feel it.

No. Not really. After reading all the post-mortem work on the election, I just wanted to number myself in the camp that says "Not only could a ham sandwich not have won this year, Ronald Reagan in a Jesus suit, turning water into wine while riding a unicycle, juggling fetuses could have won."

The country has gone over the line, and the only way to participate is to not participate. Voting is no longer a sacred duty. It's a farce. It's like voting against your kids, (who have guns pointed at you) on whether you're having casserole or Swiss Cake Rolls for dinner. The only thing the parents can do is run away and not buy the Little Debbies for those Little Bastards.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at November 18, 2012 09:49 AM (yGq/+)

214 Yeah - home schooling is the answer....

My lib neighbors homeschooled their two children. They would all go skiing and get paid by vouchers saying that was their phys Ed.

Their property is blighted and the house has been up for sheriff sales repeatedly.

Why can you get a voucher to home school?

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 09:50 AM (nw0Vt)

215 Sadly, pron sites are heavily infected. (sort of apropos don't ya think?)

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 09:50 AM (SP4jC)

216 205 Tami
I promise not to link to any more boobeh pics.


Let's not overreact here.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 09:51 AM (sdi6R)

217 >>>206 God how I wish now that we would have run the Palin/Paul/Limbaugh/Goldwater conservative dream team this fall. We would have lost even worse but maybe these idiots would have gained a clue. Probably not though, I'm sure they still would blame it on some vast conspiracy.

Nothing is ever their fault.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:51 AM (pzmYs)

218 198 JJ Sefton,

JJ I just finished breakfast and unless I miss my guess Muse is not thrilled with my input.

The only flaw I see possibly in your point which is a good one is that homeschooling leads to social isolation without huge effort and well trained conservative kids will not be offering up counter proposals or points to the liberal indoctrination camp.

I am not arguing that a good citizen has a duty to expose their kids to the Stalag nonstop to "save the whole", I have not even made up my own mind about whether running to Redder areas and hunkering down to hold what freedoms we can through forcing Federalism and a less pervasive and invasive Federal regulatory scheme is the right move.

Somewhere along the way I lost touch with what America has become largely because I ceded the nation's town square hiding amongst my own kind in life because of the rage I felt at their behavior over the war under Bush.

We need clear heads and as much dispassion as we can muster in our analysis of what must be done, what can be accomplished in doing, and what the long term goal and loyalty point to unify our "tribe" is.

The media and Bambi are trying to drive us in to the wilderness, but that may not be a bad thing and may just lead to the wilderness hiding longer term goals.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:51 AM (LRFds)

219 Do these shoes match this handbag?

Posted by: The GOP at November 18, 2012 09:52 AM (6JMZR)

220 213 Opus,

No Opus it is a farce as practiced in Ohio Penn et al...

if we concentrate the Red and are absolutely ruthless in enforcing clean elections on the state and below level it is a duty.

I am not in the mood spending the rest of my life seeing how many blocks the Mule SuperState can put on my chest and how much freedom Nanny Pelosi and Bam can steal from my descendants to be.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:53 AM (LRFds)

221 >>>The key is an articulate and vocal conservative candidate and party that is not afraid to hit back with all they've got.

This, yes.

I'd say the party was far, far more moderate during Reagan's time than it was now and didn't help him one bit. But yes, an awesome candidate can win on a conservative platform and drag the party with them.

The problem is finding that awesome candidate.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 09:53 AM (pzmYs)

222 I think ORCA was an inside job and/or incompetence at some level.

These campaigns use the same operatives over and over.

Some of them will work for either party and have.

Who in their right mind thinks that using an operative that worked for an opposing party is a good idea?

Yet the establishment GOP does this all the time.

Oh and don't get me started over the open primaries.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 09:54 AM (SP4jC)

223 219 Do these shoes match this handbag?

Posted by: The GOP at November 18, 2012 09:52 AM (6JMZR)

Yeah, but they make your ass look big.

Posted by: BignJames at November 18, 2012 09:54 AM (j7iSn)

224 "The key is an articulate and vocal conservative candidate and party that is not afraid to hit back with all they've got."

And we would have still fucking lost, why is that so hard to accept? Is it because that some conservatives just are in denial of what this country has become? We're living in the worst economic times in most peoples lives, the federal government is spending, borrowing and printing money with reckless abandon, the federal government has asserted more control and limitations in peoples lifes then in any time in our history and like it or not, most people are o.k. with it.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 09:56 AM (GZitp)

225 222 AshKente:

When James Carville married Mary Matalin, that sure set off warning bells for me. WTF?

It's a permanent governing class, and we ain't in it.

(I second the earlier recommendation of Codevilla.)

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 09:57 AM (sdi6R)

226 Once the Universities, High schools, grade schools and even kindergartens became liberally controlled, we lost the country.

The MFM had turned by the '80's. Reagan had a fan base and knew how to talk past the media. (having been an actor and knowing the industry and it's levers and buttons).

We have lost ground ever since. BushII was a reaction to the slimy Clintons and the Pubs just threw their chance away.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 09:58 AM (SP4jC)

227 Even the AOL disc in your mailbox is like "daaaamnnnnnn ORCA".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 10:01 AM (6JMZR)

228 And you can bet if/when they start springing up, the leftists will use every instrument of government and the legal system to try and shut it down. I cannot believe I just wrote that last sentence, considering its implications.

Believe it. It is precisely what they will try to do.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 18, 2012 10:01 AM (gIOCW)

229 I hear you sven, but I would prefer to starve the beast first then start over.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at November 18, 2012 10:02 AM (yGq/+)

230 Why can you get a voucher to home school?

Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 09:50 AM (nw0Vt)

-----

Geesh, where are you at? I tried getting a voucher for my daughter who has developmental delay and it was a zillion hoops to jump through.

But yeah, I hate hearing the whole "homeschool is the answer" thing all the damn time. Not everyone is able to homeschool, and not every kid does well with a homeschool environment. There is also something to be said for putting well-raised and not-so-well-raised kids side by side in school, for the sake of comparison.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 18, 2012 10:02 AM (2KBjW)

231 There's an elephant in the room, - and it's me!

Posted by: The GOP at November 18, 2012 10:02 AM (mqdAz)

232 rickl at November 18, 2012 09:57 AM (sdi6R)

Incestuous is the word I use.

Take a look at about any GOP'er. They have more in common with the Dems than with their constituents. No matter what they say when they're "home" they LIVE in DC.

Their apparent naivety can't be real. They can't be that stupid about the motivations and aims of the Media and the Dems.

Somehow the GOP doesn't look at the Dems as the enemy. Or even the opposition.

And they never seem to get that the Dems will stab them in the back in a heart beat.

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 10:02 AM (SP4jC)

233 A New Jersey doctor who was with Occupy Wall Street protesters last year at Zuccotti Park was arrested and charged with possessing “bomb-making” chemicals and assault rifles in his home, sources said.

Roberto Rivera, 60, had a huge stash of a chemicals used for making bombs in his Ridgewood home, the sources said.

The FBI and local authorities raided Rivera’s house on Union Street on Friday and also discovered several assault rifles and a stun gun, the sources said.

Ridgewood police were first called to the home after getting a tip that potentially hazardous materials might be at the residence.

It was not clear what chemicals Rivera allegedly possessed or what he planned to do with them.



yeesss. what would he do with those things?
from the NY Post

Posted by: Thunderb at November 18, 2012 10:03 AM (Dnbau)

234 Remember that Reagan was hated by the media, and the GOP. This is why Reagan was forced to use Bush as a running-mate to appease the GOP establishment.

It is not simply articulation, it is fervent belief in founding principles that makes one electable in a landslide. There is no need to vote for Dem lite..

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at November 18, 2012 10:04 AM (T/L2Z)

235 That knife looks a bit dull. Do you want something sharper? Perhaps serrated?

Posted by: The GOP at November 18, 2012 10:04 AM (6JMZR)

236 Anyway look I get it some of you think I am bitter I know I was never the most popular kid on the playground here and I have been a bitter grim downer the last two weeks.

I apologize and promise I am trying to get some levity back, but it is hard to laugh when I see white shirts on the left aide of the aisle slowly being dyed brown.

At any rate I'll be in and out but won't be pulling the trigger on every interesting post for a bit and I'll be gone most of next week anyway.

I am not a "secede next Thursday" nut but the genuine and well populated movement has me wondering if as many Conservative intellectuals have wondered as well as liberal ones "is it time to part company?"

They go out of their way to argue we Red are in fact the ultimate welfare queens, great so Blue why don't you let us go so we can fail then?

Exactly.

Anyway have a good day I mean it and go out and breathe...the work will still be there when you contemplate it I assure you....the rest of my life will probably see the donks still holding the culture and the media in a chokehold if things stay the same.

I sincerely wish everyone the best success they can grab and happy times.

Sven

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 10:04 AM (LRFds)

237 206 God how I wish now that we would have run the Palin/Paul/Limbaugh/Goldwater conservative dream team this fall. We would have lost even worse but maybe these idiots would have gained a clue. Probably not though, I'm sure they still would blame it on some vast conspiracy.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 09:47 AM (GZitp)


I think this election proves "electability" republicans have no clue what they are talking about.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 18, 2012 10:06 AM (uhAkr)

238 They said all the same "all is lost" shit after Goldwater tanked. If you think all is lost, quit and drink yourself to death or go watch football. We lost because Romney couldn't close not because the voters wouldn't buy.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 10:07 AM (6H6FZ)

239 232 AshKente:

In my area, political signs only show the candidates' names. They never mention the party. It's been like that for years.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 10:08 AM (sdi6R)

240 I like you sven. Now go make me a sandwich.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 10:08 AM (6JMZR)

241 El Kabong,

I live in North Coast Cali.

My vote is, literally, meaningless. When I do bother to vote, I vote strategically as best I can.

The GOP brand is dead in Cali, forever. Folks just don't realize how much indoctrination takes place, esp. in schools.

Libertarianism that says legal pot, get the government out of marriage altogether (remember, Calu rejected sodomite pretend marriage), more freedom, etc... That might have a future here.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:09 AM (DzWOc)

242 224 lowandslow,

one last post or two before I play new vegas and decide on going to a gunshow or not for the day's activity.

Low you and I have some bitterness between us I regret but I'd like to be sincere and clear I am not calling you out.

Like me you are not thrilled with what you see, and I'd wager were this "the real world" we'd share a laugh or two over a hot drink in a cafe on "what the fuck happened to my people?"

The thing we must focus on is "where do we go from here?'

The answer I came up with after some rest and trying to look at it as dispassionately and logically as i am able is we can either get ready to split so that those of us who want freedom can have it or dig in and essentially launch a conservative/classical liberal version of the 60s and 70s which I find unpalatable and will be inferred to be just as unpatriotic as I feel the 60s and 70s were.

I don't have an answer and I would like to apologize for any offense I have offered you.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 10:10 AM (LRFds)

243 Take care, sven. I've read your comments with interest. Lord knows I share your gloom.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 10:10 AM (sdi6R)

244 Here's a shocker: Romney's transition chief is encouraging states to implement Obama/Romney care.

http://tinyurl.com/bb26672 (it is think progress blog)

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 10:11 AM (SP4jC)

245 Well, I did say that if we voted for Romney, we were still going to get ObamaCare.

(oh god.)

Posted by: AshKente at November 18, 2012 10:12 AM (SP4jC)

246 240 TMI,

Heh....I've done that for a living....

hell maybe I ought to break out my former soviet sub maker schtick....

Look I am not being an emo drama queen just saying I know I am a ball of rage I can feel it in my forehead and rage ain't gonna fix this unless it goes real real real hot between red and blue.

I don't want that if there is anyway to avoid it.

Recharge the batteries and listen to each other a bit is my best guess and grab the GOP by the fucking nutsack and say "you motherfucking moron this ain't a goddamned social circle you're in it is a fucking fighting pit and my freedom you should be fucking defending."

I'm just about done with deference to the current clown car mafia up there.

Be safe.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 10:13 AM (LRFds)

247 I grew to like Romney enough, but he disappointed when he refused to bring up Libya in the third debate. I was told he was "closing the deal" and that I didn't know anything. No. He was afraid and he would have governed afraid.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 10:13 AM (6JMZR)

248 From a strategic perspective, I think "get the government out of marriage period" is actually a winning position, and creates momentum for getting the government out of other stuff too.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:13 AM (nhIFl)

249 I think since we just ran the "hey look, we are reasonable people and Obama is a decent guy just in over his head" campaign that all the smart folks thought we needed to beat the JEF and got our asses handed to us--maybe the smart folks should shut the fuck up about what a bunch of losers the fire breathing true cons are.

You had your shot and you blew it.

If we are going to lose anyway, I would rather lose with the guy that is going to stand up and tell the plain unvarnished truth than the pussy foot around not offend anyone guy.

More Cromwell, less Essex.


Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 10:13 AM (BF5Y9)

250 Sven,

There is a solution.

The Latin Mass. Get thee to it.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:15 AM (nhIFl)

251 237 bevel, 238 SurferDoc,

Bang on the both of you.

The worst case scenario we face is "Run Red' and the best case is we need a conservative who can articulate a version of my "national pie cutter" argument on the national stage past the media and we flip this quick.

Not saying give it up at all, just saying do what we have to do.

Both of you have a good day.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 10:15 AM (LRFds)

252 "They said all the same "all is lost" shit after Goldwater tanked."

This is not the same fucking country as it was in 1964. Do you ever go out and look around? See people? Read anything? We're having discussions (and losing them) on gay marriage, being openly gay in the military, global warming, government run healthcare, amnesty for multimillions of illegals, Islamic "democracies", how large in trillions the debt ceiling should be, how's the best way to redistribute private wealth, etc., etc. and you think the nation is similar to 1964?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 10:16 AM (GZitp)

253 Can our next candidate point out that African-Americans have been fiercely loyal to the Democrats and the 'free-shit' platform for 60 years now and it hasn't exactly helped them better their lives?

I know, 'racist', but we get called that anyway.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:16 AM (pzmYs)

254 I don't think we're going to win an election again until we get the media back. And the only way to do that is to get to their advertisers. Boycott advertisers, advertisers drop shows, no advertisers equals no income.

That *might* start bringing things around.

Or not.

What do I know?

/Hoping for Mayan SMOD next month

Posted by: shibumi at November 18, 2012 10:16 AM (z63Tr)

255 Posted by: Thunderb at November 18, 2012 10:03 AM (Dnbau)

Yup. I live in Ridgewood.

It is not typical of NJ. Lots of Romney signs here...more than Obama.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2012 10:17 AM (GsoHv)

256 Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:09 AM (DzWOc)


Will be visiting my sis in LA this December and will also be visiting some friends in the 90035 LA (transplants from Durham) area...the latter troubles me.

Received a card from them (two sisters whom I love dearly...but they're the biggest fucking libs evah). Anyhey, they told me how they had an Obama victory party and were so happy to have voted in Cali for the first time. I really don't know if I can take the visit...although the older sister had a massive stroke (52) and like I said, love them dearly. If politics come up though...jeez...I really will be forced to vent...HARD!

Thankfully, my sis and BIL are like-minded to me and their area is a pleasnt LA enclave of firemen, LA county sherrif folk, LAPD, SWAT, horse people...pretty well-armed and also like-minded...a joy to be around these folks...I guess the good will far outweigh the bad.

Posted by: billygoat at November 18, 2012 10:18 AM (CfGGV)

257 >>>254 I don't think we're going to win an election again until we get the media back. And the only way to do that is to get to their advertisers. Boycott advertisers, advertisers drop shows, no advertisers equals no income.

I've been pushing for Occupy the MSM style protests in front of their studios. If nothing else, people should go for the once in a lifetime chance of yelling at Matthews 'wanna tingle my dick?!'

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:18 AM (pzmYs)

258 249 I think since we just ran the "hey look, we are reasonable people and Obama is a decent guy just in over his head" campaign that all the smart folks thought we needed to beat the JEF and got our asses handed to us--maybe the smart folks should shut the fuck up about what a bunch of losers the fire breathing true cons are.

Yeah, they won't ever do that. Because what they want is Republican party that is in line with their ideology.

"Electability" is a pretense to change the platform toward Scott Brown style Republicanism.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 18, 2012 10:18 AM (uhAkr)

259 Media:
Starve the beast. I cancelled my cable TV this week, and yesterday returned my converter boxes to Comcast. Even though I haven't watched much TV for the past few years, my money was still supporting channels and networks whether I watched them or not. Fuck 'em. Not another dime.

Education:
As a homeowner, I'm forced to pay for the public school indoctrination centers whether I have kids or not. That pisses me off and I don't know what to do about it.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 10:19 AM (sdi6R)

260 Kabong,

I asked a conservative black friend I know that very question. He shares our views that modern day welfare is abhorrent.

He said the only way that could ever work is if someone who is blacker than Obama did it. I don't get the whole degrees-of-blackness thing, but he said that a very black man could pull it off.

An Allen West type. Apparently Hermain Cain wasn't considered very black. Again, I've never gotten that whole thing.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:20 AM (dramD)

261 Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:16 AM (pzmYs)


Yup...the 'WAR ON POVERTY' is going on 50 years...we're losing and there are many casualties.

But if we could all just give a little more...why, I'm sure we could solve it then! /sarc off.

Posted by: billygoat at November 18, 2012 10:20 AM (CfGGV)

262 ...and I denounce myself.

Posted by: billygoat at November 18, 2012 10:20 AM (CfGGV)

263 "I grew to like Romney enough, but he disappointed when he refused to
bring up Libya in the third debate. I was told he was "closing the deal"
and that I didn't know anything. No. He was afraid and he would have
governed afraid."

Not that it would have made any difference but looking back, a foreign policy debate was pretty stupid to start with. Obama co-opted the Bush and neo-con foreign policy anyways, all they were debating is who could run or manage it better.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 10:23 AM (GZitp)

264 Hey! I'm electable.....

Posted by: Mittens Rombley at November 18, 2012 10:23 AM (jucos)

265 >>>An Allen West type. Apparently Hermain Cain wasn't considered very black. Again, I've never gotten that whole thing.

I can see West going to town on the 'Uncle Tom' accusations that will inevitably pop up. I love West, I just wish had more seasoning before taking higher office.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:24 AM (pzmYs)

266 Sven: Go to the gun show and touch hardware for a while. It'll do you some good.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 10:25 AM (6H6FZ)

267 Billygoat,

Yeah, we do have enclaves out here. It's a strange thing to describe, but it takes a lot of actual internalization of conservative values, esp. in regards to "live and let live.".

Also, pot is de facto legal here. It makes dealing with those fucks a lot easier. And, you'd be surprised how much you can politically convert a person while sharing a joint. It can calm the raging liberal down enough to make them vulnerable to facts and reason.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:26 AM (DzWOc)

268 Since I got burned on the 'Experienced Candidates are better' earlier this week, I'll push it a different way.

You'll never know who's a RINO until they have the power to be a RINO.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:27 AM (pzmYs)

269 Uncle Tom should become mandatory reading so people stop referring to Uncle Tom in the wrong way.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 18, 2012 10:27 AM (Ho2rs)

270 it's a pet peeve of mine...so is saying drinking the kool aid when it's flavor aid

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 18, 2012 10:28 AM (Ho2rs)

271
"Obama and the democrats now have 4 more years to expand the number of people that rely on government handouts. They were wildly successful over the past four years in expanding the "base". "

Then you have to wreck the quality of the giveaways at their disposal. This is where Let It Burn, or even MAKE It Burn comes in. Destroy their funding pipeline, give them less and less to redistribute. When the slaves come flocking for their free Bamaphos, and the Dems will have to have nothing but packages of crayons to give out. We have to get the loafers to the point of refugees in UN-administered camps. When they have to pimp their 9-year old daughters out for a bowl of porridge from the local Dem chief, they'll be ready to try something different.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 18, 2012 10:28 AM (FkH4y)

272 ""Electability" is a pretense to change the platform toward Scott Brown style Republicanism."

Bullshit, you push the same fucking horseshit with your true conservative crap. You just think the Palin style populist conservative is the "electability" answer. I know neither are, but you're fantasizing that there's some conservative savior out there just waiting for the call. It's fucking delusional.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 10:29 AM (GZitp)

273 President Hussein the Messiah will feed the locked out EBT card users with fishes and loaves this day.

Posted by: Kool-Aid! at November 18, 2012 10:30 AM (Kflw4)

274 how soon before some of the posters here start calling Acea Rino?

seriously guys, Romney out performed nearly all the rep Senate candidates except maybe Scot Brown.

The problem is not imaginary conservative who stayed home, the problem is that there are not enough conservatives.

Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2012 10:31 AM (40anC)

275 At this point we are just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I have been thinking about this a lot. We have lost the culture. There is no Ronald Reagan waiting in the wings. The damage that Teh JEF has done is, I believe, irreversible and we just gave him 4 more years. There will be no managed decline. There will be only fire. All we can do is prepare as best we can.

Posted by: Mittens Rombley at November 18, 2012 10:31 AM (jucos)

276 More proof that things are tough in europe: A bank in Spain is trying to sell the Gaudi apt bldg and Italy wants to unload the Palazzo Barberini.

If I had the money, I'd take it off their hands.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 18, 2012 10:32 AM (MazXE)

277 >>>274 how soon before some of the posters here start calling Acea Rino?

Set the Wayback Machine for July 4th, 2009.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:32 AM (pzmYs)

278 It is never who's fault again?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 10:32 AM (BF5Y9)

279 Ultimately, billygoat, the trip may be good for your conservative nature.

This is the thing Republucans keep failing to understand: shrink the fucking government.

There is lots of low hanging fruit that a broad consensus would support shrinking, providing electoral victories. The failed war on drugs is one example. But, you see, that's Conservstive-big-government, ergo good.

That's how to build momentum for shrinking the government: actually doing it. And that's why core GOP constituients stay home more and mire. The GOP obviously doesn't believe in what it says, at all.

Ending the war on drugs, government involvement in marriage altogether, corporate subsidies, these things are very popular. And they would build momentum to other government-shrinking activities.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:33 AM (nhIFl)

280 Obama co-opted the Bush and neo-con foreign policy anyways, all they were debating is who could run or manage it better

Well, right. I don't think Bambi took a single unpopular position in that debate. Oooh, he's gonna go after Iran. Yayyyyy!!!!

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 10:33 AM (6JMZR)

281 Along those lines-- I've made up my mind. The GOP needs to stand firm on the cuts for the budget. We simply need to know if Democrats ever intend to say "no" to their preferred version of Americans. Might as well find out now as later.

I naturally expect the GOP to do the opposite, but if a GOP Senate had not passed a budget for years becausecit would offend, say, religious conservatives, the media would never stop talking about it.

Posted by: J. at November 18, 2012 10:34 AM (Oou6U)

282 Bullshit, you push the same fucking horseshit with your true conservative crap. You just think the Palin style populist conservative is the "electability" answer. I know neither are, but you're fantasizing that there's some conservative savior out there just waiting for the call. It's fucking delusional.

Okay, let's all scream "despair!" and talk about hoarding ammo.

Your way is a fucking useless waste of time. If you believe it, there's no point posting here.

Or we can try things a different way. It might not work, but one thing I know for certain is that screaming about demographics and inevitable defeat won't miracle a victory any time soon.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 18, 2012 10:34 AM (uhAkr)

283 Sacrilege.

Posted by: ManBearPig at November 18, 2012 10:35 AM (NIZHJ)

284 Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:26 AM (DzWOc)


Understood...I don't partake, but have no problems with those who do...in fact my BIL uses pot for medical (Crohn's) reasons...I certainly understand using it for that...a truly miserable disease.

As for the two sisters...I just have to get them drunk -- which I plan to do.

Posted by: billygoat at November 18, 2012 10:36 AM (CfGGV)

285 "Along those lines" referring to my first post, and nothing else. Stream of consciousness. Area for confusion about confusion, I'm aware.

Posted by: J. at November 18, 2012 10:36 AM (Oou6U)

286 Everyone going on and on ad nauseum about the picking of Romney. Do you honestly think Gingrich or Santorum had a chance of being elected!? Really?

Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2012 10:37 AM (QeXG/)

287 "Or we can try things a different way. It might not work, but one thing I
know for certain is that screaming about demographics and inevitable
defeat won't miracle a victory any time soon."

Nominate a true conservative, got no problem with it. But nominate a true conservative and not a populist. We're still going to get our ass kicked, but it will show we're serious about our positions.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 10:37 AM (GZitp)

288 Demographics and inevitable defeat are the excuse de jure, because if the election was winnable then they have to admit they fucked up.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 10:37 AM (BF5Y9)

289 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Bailey?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 10:37 AM (6JMZR)

290 >>>This is the thing Republucans keep failing to understand: shrink the fucking government.

Calvin Coolidge, the very definition of Libertarian, non-involved, small government badassery...couldn't get Govt. spending to pre-World War I levels in two terms.

I don't know if I have a point. That just makes me sad.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:38 AM (pzmYs)

291 233 yeesss. what would he do with those things?
from the NY Post
Posted by: Thunderb at November 18, 2012 10:03 AM (Dnbau)

Two things struck me. 1) The article is from the NY Post, which means it will be buried and/or obfuscated by the NY Times and Daily News and 2) the guy lives on UNION Street.

Heh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 10:38 AM (XkWWK)

292 Video: Extraordinary white humpback whale off Norway
They christened it "Pennsylvania"!

Posted by: Greg B., masterfully evaluating the right candidates because everyone else is too stupid to do it! at November 18, 2012 10:38 AM (XlNXE)

293 Your mine.

Posted by: Quequeg at November 18, 2012 10:39 AM (NIZHJ)

294 RINO's either lose, or win and screw us.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 10:40 AM (6JMZR)

295 I see that Geithner says that we should just eliminate the debt ceiling. Just borrow, borrow, borrow like there's no tomorrow!

I see now why we had to overlook that tax fraud of his in order to get his brilliant take on finances and fiscal responsibility.

p.s. "Borrow, borrow, borrow like there's no tomorrow." Is that a campaign slogan or what?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 18, 2012 10:40 AM (VlXYw)

296 Dear Lord, this already??
Rubio breaks fundraising record in Iowa debut...

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2012 10:41 AM (pwTow)

297 "Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 10:37 AM (BF5Y9)"

So what's this perfect scenario on how we could have won this election? And why didn't tell everyone here about it months back?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 10:41 AM (GZitp)

298 Video: Extraordinary white humpback whale off Norway

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Did you ever notice how you never see the white humpbacked whale and Christie together?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 18, 2012 10:42 AM (VlXYw)

299 p.s. "Borrow, borrow, borrow like there's no tomorrow." Is that a campaign slogan or what?
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 18, 2012 10:40 AM (VlXYw)
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That.........and tax the wealthy a little bit more. Problem solved.

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at November 18, 2012 10:42 AM (jucos)

300 Rubio breaks fundraising record in Iowa debut...

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2012 10:41 AM (pwTow)


*yawn*

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 10:43 AM (XlNXE)

301 Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:33 AM (nhIFl)


I struggle with the war on drugs...really. But at the same time, I fully agree Gubmint is too f'in large.

Sorry to hit and run here...I'll have to continue next time I see you in a thread...but, I have to go clean out the truck for next week, head to a Cystic Fibrosis benefit (alcohol will be involved) and then head to a funeral in CLE which will be overrun with libs...I'll need a good buzz just to get in and out of there without uncorking.


Posted by: billygoat at November 18, 2012 10:43 AM (CfGGV)

302 218 Posted by: sven10077 at November 18, 2012 09:51 AM (LRFds)


Hey there. I hear you. I live with a lib wife and at NYU (she works there).

Someone told me a crazy idea of trying to get conservatives to move to blue areas to try and offset the electorate.

Great notion (I use that word instead of idea, since idea would imply that it is within the realm of realism), but without tens of billions to execute, not really practical. Still...

But we must take back the culture and education, by whatever means we can. Probably too late to at least affect short term electoral goals, but we have to do it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 10:43 AM (XkWWK)

303 Kabong,

Step one is to cut programs themselves.

Instead of all these federal requirements that police departments do X, Y and Z for funding, we just give them the funding.

Once some programs are cut, switch to block grants to states after a few years. Then a few years later, cut federal taxes with tge explicit purpose of "so the states can raise state taxes if they want to."

Federalism is popular when articulated and tried. You know who wants more no strings attached money? All 50 states.

Billygoat,

Maybe it's time you tried some? Smoke a bowl and reread the Constitution.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 18, 2012 10:44 AM (nhIFl)

304 I know, it's too soon for this type of headline.

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2012 10:44 AM (pwTow)

305 289 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Bailey?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 18, 2012 10:37 AM (6JMZR)

Honey chile, OUCH!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 10:44 AM (XkWWK)

306 "Nominate a true conservative, got no problem with it. But nominate a true conservative and not a populist."

Ok. You mentioned Palin. Which Palin policies in particular do you identity as "populist"? Or do you dislike her style of speaking, like she did on the steps of the Wisconsin Capitol Building after she was introduced by Andrew Breitbart?

Posted by: mrp at November 18, 2012 10:44 AM (HjPtV)

307 >>>288 Demographics and inevitable defeat are the excuse de jure, because if the election was winnable then they have to admit they fucked up.

Who fucked up?

Again, who did you guys support? Who was the TrueCon hero that could've saved us?

I backed Pawlenty, then Perry, then flirted with the idea of Gingrich knowing that he would probably lose but do the most damage to the MSM and Obama on the way down.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:46 AM (pzmYs)

308 BTW since someone mentioned the white humpback, Moby Dick was based on a real whale nicknamed Mocha Dick by the whale fishermen. He was notorious, having been harpooned several times and surviving. He would attack the small whaling boats and smash them to pieces and then deliberately drown the sailors. I don't remember if he ever attacked one of the whaling ships or not, but it is a matter of record that other sperm whales did and would occasionally sink them.

Also, something I would pay good money to see--the whalers that chased the sperm whales would see them feeding now and then, and by feeding I mean dragging a giant squid to the surface, whooping its ass and eating it.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 10:46 AM (BF5Y9)

309 I know, it's too soon for this type of headline.

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2012 10:44 AM (pwTow)


Its not only that. Im not so sure that fundraising success is as impressive a metric as it was before this election. We learned this year that you can spend lots of cash in a really shitty way.

I prefer a underfundedcandidate with a cheap but effective machine to one that basicly shits money, but turns around andspends it on ORCA.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 10:48 AM (XlNXE)

310 I'm a true conservative, and I'm okay.
I sleep all night and I work all day.

I cut down trees. I skip and jump.
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars.

I cut down trees. I wear high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie,
Just like my dear Papa.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 18, 2012 10:48 AM (VlXYw)

311 For your up to date war porn:

http://goo.gl/NYnXL

Posted by: Walkers! at November 18, 2012 10:51 AM (MazXE)

312 Again, who did you guys support? Who was the TrueCon hero that could've saved us?

Hindsight being 20/20, I think Cain would have done better. He would have grabbed a bigger chunk of the minority vote.

If we could time travel back to 2011, would anybody argue that a) Romney had a good organization or b) that he could motivate independents to vote?

Because those were his two major selling points.

To be honest, I think Mitt would have won if he had gone negative and actually attacked Soetero's character. But he wasn't the kind of guy who would do that. To a Democrat, anyway.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 18, 2012 10:52 AM (uhAkr)

313 From NRO:

"In 37 Chicago Precincts, Romney Received No Votes"

Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 18, 2012 10:52 AM (VlXYw)

314 I would love to see Allen West run for President in '16.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 10:52 AM (jucos)

315 I got no "perfect scenario" and I voted for Gingrich in the primary because I figured even if he lost he would at least take the bark off of Obama's hide.

If you want I can give you a list of reason's why I think Romney lost.

My main point is that there are a bunch of people that want to be "reasonable" that won't accept that "reasonable" ain't gettin' it done. Which to me is well, unreasonable.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 10:52 AM (BF5Y9)

316 "Ok. You mentioned Palin. Which Palin policies in particular do you identity as "populist"?"

Are you serious? She can't articulate conservatism at all. She can spout jingoisms, "Common sense something", "crony capitalism", etc. etc. Plus look at the way she governed, her signature achievements, a windfall profit tax and natural gas pipeline fantasy that gained massive approval cause in theory directed money into her constitutes pockets. She's not a serious person.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 10:52 AM (GZitp)

317 LOL at Drudge's picture.

I am so glad we have a President who is, like, so COOL. And hip.

Posted by: zimriel at November 18, 2012 10:53 AM (p39hN)

318 Hotty Toddy everybody,

So K-State got killed by unranked, sub-.500 Baylor; Oregon lost in OT to Stanford because they have no kicking game and Stanford fucking brought it last night; and the Obama-like media generated Notre Dame fraud continues unabated, eh?

No worries.

The SEC, which is defending championships in all three major sports and has won the last six straight Holy Grail BCS championships, is going to win it all yet again, this time with either Bama or Georgia.

How sweet it is.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 18, 2012 10:53 AM (bS6uW)

319
To be honest, I think Mitt would have won if he had gone negative
and actually attacked Soetero's character. But he wasn't the kind of
guy who would do that. To a Democrat, anyway.

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My guess is that Romney 1) didn't think it was necessary since everyone already knew that 'Bammy was blitheringly incompetent and staggeringly corrupt and 2) he didn't want to poison the well so that he could have bipartisan support after his victory.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 18, 2012 10:55 AM (VlXYw)

320 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 18, 2012 10:52 AM (uhAkr)
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Herman Cain was a nice guy but he was not ready for prime time. His foreign policy knowledge was worse than Obamas.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 10:55 AM (jucos)

321 #AllenWestRecount ON THE PHONE with Gary Angelo Galiano we just had the final meeting, the man in charge was very upbeat, he said ALL VOTES have now been counted. All the memory cards from yesterday have all been uploaded except for the 6 today. That is all we have left to do, be patient, we will have no problem with the noon deadline for noon certification. All numbers have jived, everything is matching up and now we wait for a small period. THEY WILL BE MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT when they all meet again, it should be soon. They expect 1/2 hour. The supervisor IS VERY upbeat! "Happy Days" was used.

Posted by: Evilpens at November 18, 2012 10:56 AM (ck76k)

322 I wish Palin would run for the Senate. She's good at infiltrating and exposing good ole boy networks. Would be a perfect place for her to wreak havoc.

Jindal and Walker were both fantastic with Chris Wallace today

Posted by: Jose/ningrim at November 18, 2012 10:57 AM (srIqv)

323 I wanted Newt, not because I loved all his positions, but because he knows how to fight the media, and the media is our biggest problem.
He would have called Crowley out at that 2nd debate.

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2012 10:57 AM (pwTow)

324 >>>If we could time travel back to 2011, would anybody argue that a) Romney had a good organization or b) that he could motivate independents to vote?

That was the ultimate slap in the face. I rationalized his winning the nomination that he was at least enough of a competitor to fight back and run an awesome ground game to win. I was wrong.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 10:57 AM (pzmYs)

325 173 Posted by: Iamahaiangttiam at November 18, 2012 09:29 AM (nw0Vt) - OK.

Posted by: Baldy at November 18, 2012 10:58 AM (opS9C)

326 Vic is not on strike. Overslept this morning and yesterday so I figured I would wait on the book thread.


But there is this:


On this day in 1928 Mickey Mouse made his debut in Steamboat Willie. Which is still copyrighted.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 10:58 AM (YdQQY)

327 I got no "perfect scenario" and I voted for Gingrich in the primary because I figured even if he lost he would at least take the bark off of Obama's hide.
If you want I can give you a list of reason's why I think Romney lost.
My main point is that there are a bunch of people that want to be "reasonable" that won't accept that "reasonable" ain't gettin' it done. Which to me is well, unreasonable.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 10:52 AM (BF5Y9)


That was my reason tosupport Gingrich as well, but he seriously undercut that appeal by spending half his time whining about negative campaigning and how people wouldnt talk seriously about "solutions". In the end he was just another intimidated Republican, afraid because he might offend somebody.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 10:59 AM (XlNXE)

328 If ever there was an election cycle that was primed and ready for a populist style GOP campaign it was this last one. Romney couldn't bring himself to dispute the government numbers. He couldn't be bothered to dispute the notion that there is some kind of economic recovery going on. How many times did he let Obama characterize his policies as "Top Down" economics without responding?

Captain Technocrat screwed the pooch. And he did it even before we get to the ORCA fiasco which is absolutely damning.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 11:00 AM (BF5Y9)

329 308 Also, something I would pay good money to see--the whalers that chased the sperm whales would see them feeding now and then, and by feeding I mean dragging a giant squid to the surface, whooping its ass and eating it.

And for decades most scientists thought that giant squid were just sailor's tall tales...until a dead one washed up on a beach somewhere.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 11:00 AM (sdi6R)

330 On this day in 1928 Mickey Mouse made his debut in Steamboat Willie. Which is still copyrighted.
Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 10:58 AM (YdQQY)
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Fecking RINO. He is not what we need in this party right now

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 11:00 AM (jucos)

331 then flirted with the idea of Gingrich knowing that he would probably lose but do the most damage to the MSM and Obama on the way down.

Knowing he was going to lose (which he would have)...knowing he wouldn't have gotten into power (which didn't turn out too well the last time he had it), yeah, that probably would have been a good idea.

Re: Cain: After watching him in the primary debates, do you honestly think he would have stood up well? He was in the habit of just reciting a few standard points. I also don't see a track record in GOP elections that would lead me to believe he would have cut much into blacks or Hispanics.

Posted by: AD at November 18, 2012 11:01 AM (UWXuw)

332 "She's not a serious person."

Sarah Palin was the 2008 GOP vice-presidential nominee. That, by definition, makes her a serious person.

How serious? Well, let's see if HBO comes out with a fictional account of the 2012 presidential campaign, with Mitt Romney as the pivotal character. That might be a long wait.

Posted by: mrp at November 18, 2012 11:01 AM (HjPtV)

333 1) We had a shitty, depressing field to begin with.

2) In our quest for Not-Romney, we punched ourselves out fighting over who was the Chosen One. When the smoke cleared, Romney was the only one left standing.

We either need to get better candidates or accept the limitations of not-great ones if we want to avoid Christie in 2016. That's your next white whale.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 11:01 AM (pzmYs)

334 itll be difficult for conservatives to 'take back' the culture because most conservatives could give a fuck less about culture. we barely pay attention to it anyhow.

the conservative mindset indulges in adolescent behavior and recognizes it's silliness and quirks.

the liberal mindset LIVES in perpetual adolescence, defying age and 'adult mannerisms'. it's just not in their DNA i guess.

as weird as it may be, i think we need to remember when we traveled down the lib-road more and grit our teeth for the stoopid to come.

one avenue is video games, it warms my heart when the young kids blow us older farts up with rockets and call us "stupid hippes" over the microphone in late night gaming. and their little anti-obama tags are kinda witty at times.

the kids are alright...

Posted by: laughing at neck braces at November 18, 2012 11:02 AM (nVqtU)

335 "Sarah Palin was the 2008 GOP vice-presidential nominee. That, by definition, makes her a serious person."

No it doesn't, it just proves that McCain was unserious and desperate, at the same time.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:03 AM (GZitp)

336 2010 mid-term election - total turnout
90,732,693

2012 Presidential election - total votes R plus O
~120,000,000

I'll let you form your own opinion on that data.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 18, 2012 11:04 AM (feFL6)

337 >>>one avenue is video games, it warms my heart when the young kids blow us older farts up with rockets and call us "stupid hippes" over the microphone in late night gaming. and their little anti-obama tags are kinda witty at times.

Vakarian/Wrex 2016.
Headshots and Headbutts.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 18, 2012 11:04 AM (pzmYs)

338 Choom Boy was a dual citizen, and very likely still is. When your alleged Daddy is a Kenyan, so are you.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 18, 2012 08:57 AM (yKUrR)

Sorry but this is false, the part about having a Kenyan father making one automatically a dual citizen, that is. I, of course, know from experience. Several years back, my bio father (the America-hater in the movie 2016) suggested that I *apply* for Kenyan citizenship for whatever reasons he had. I declined.

Now it's definitely possible that the other O has partial Indonesian citizenship. Like many others, I think he used it to get into school.

What's certain is that the other O is the enemy of America. Many Christians say that America has been asking for a "leader" like him--false in all areas--since we put the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob out of the public sphere. Perhaps. 44 is the number of judgment in the Bible. When a person or a nation is being judged by God, it's already too late.

Let it burn.

Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at November 18, 2012 11:04 AM (Su0W2)

339 "Well, let's see if HBO comes out with a fictional account of the 2012
presidential campaign, with Mitt Romney as the pivotal character."

Good fucking grief.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:04 AM (GZitp)

340 Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:03 AM (GZitp)
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Her Mrs. Beasley glasses really do it for me. I, for one, would love to have a President I could fap to.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 11:04 AM (jucos)

341 another avenue was submitted by another poster a few days ago about the breitbart style of mockey having its own channel. a sort of anti-stewart, i think that would get HIGH ratings, there is PLENTY of material to work with any given week.

Posted by: laughing at neck braces at November 18, 2012 11:05 AM (nVqtU)

342 Book thread is up

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:05 AM (YdQQY)

343 McCain may have been desperate and unserious but he got more votes that Romney.

Shit, we would have been better off running him again.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 11:06 AM (BF5Y9)

344 The only Cain-quote one really needs to know:

"You go first, Newt!"

Phew, we really had a shitty field this year...

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 11:06 AM (XlNXE)

345 >>>The only Cain-quote one really needs to know:

Nein, Nein, Nein!

Posted by: measeo horny at November 18, 2012 11:08 AM (fQfhr)

346 "343
McCain may have been desperate and unserious but he got more votes that Romney."

You sure about that? Last I looked on the official count it was less then 500,000 vote difference between the two elections now, and they're still more votes to put up there.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:09 AM (GZitp)

347 "McCain may have been desperate and unserious but he Palin got more votes than Romney."

Posted by: In Cognito at November 18, 2012 11:10 AM (GX2fm)

348 If we could time travel back to 2011, would anybody argue that a) Romney
had a good organization or b) that he could motivate independents to
vote?





I will proudly support and campaign for Romney in
both the primary and general. Would love to have seen how Reagan would
have dealt with today's level of scrutiny. I've always liked Romney
because I knew that the "more conservative alternatives" were mostly
more conservative in your imagination.

Has Romney evolved in his outlook over the years? Yes, and so have I.

Go Mitt Go! And go conservative Congress Go!


Posted by: ParisParamus at October 29, 2011 09:51 PM (AkYTo

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:10 AM (YdQQY)

349 Mitt Dukakis lost.

The next GOP Dukakis will lose, too.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 11:12 AM (sRus3)

350 323 I wanted Newt, not because I loved all his positions, but because he knows how to fight the media, and the media is our biggest problem.
He would have called Crowley out at that 2nd debate.
Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2012 10:57 AM (pwTow)


I don't know what it is about Gingrich. I can't quite place it. I talked to number of the GFs relatives over the past two and a half years and they (Democrat, Union, etc) grew very disenchanted with Barqui the lying Fuckstick. Ready to vote against him. Big failure. Would vote (R) to get rid of him.

Well, once during a visit, the name Newt Gingrich came up. They dropped to the floor, speaking in tongues.

We'll move to Canada EleVenTy!!!!11!!!

I finally extracted the real reasons some time later. Huge Clintoon lovers, wouldn't work with Clintoon in the 90's, tried to screw Clintoon, yada yada yada...til I wanted to puke. Big Hitlery supporters, of course. I told them that an honest evaluation of the Clintoon presidency would tell you that Gingrichs' Republicans allowed Clintoon to pivot, backdoor endorse everything they wanted to do and take credit.

Dumbfounded looks of disbelief.

I shook my head and walked out of the room.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 18, 2012 11:13 AM (gIOCW)

351 Received a card from them (two sisters whom I love dearly...but they're the biggest fucking libs evah). Anyhey, they told me how they had an Obama victory party and were so happy to have voted in Cali for the first time.

Posted by: billygoat at November 18, 2012 10:18 AM (CfGGV)

There were fireworks in my area (Maxine Waters' district) on election night.

Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at November 18, 2012 11:15 AM (Su0W2)

352 "The next GOP Dukakis will lose, too.
Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 11:12 AM (sRus3)"

And the next GOP Reagan or Goldwater will lose also, get used to it.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:15 AM (GZitp)

353 Famous last words


Romney will win us some blue States like MA.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:17 AM (YdQQY)

354 Famous last words


Romney will win us some blue States like MA.
Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:17 AM (YdQQY)
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Guilty as charged. I was a believer. Mostly because Teh JEF was SO bad that the GOP should have been able to run a Ham Sandwich and win. We lost, and as a result the country will go down in flames. I just can't wrap my head around how wrong I was.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 11:21 AM (jucos)

355 >>>And the next GOP Reagan or Goldwater will lose also, get used to it.<<<

See, right there because Mitt lost the election was unwinnable. It can't possibly because he got overconfident made some mistakes and tried to coast to victory. That might reflect poorly on his enthusiasts and the "reasonable" wing of the GOP.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 11:21 AM (BF5Y9)

356 343 McCain may have been desperate and unserious but he got more votes that Romney.

Shit, we would have been better off running him again.


Naw, he would have gotten fewer votes this time than last time, for sure.

More and more people are tuning out the Establishment candidates from both parties. A sizable portion of the electorate is going Galt.

I read Karl Denninger's Market Ticker, and a lot of the commenters there are libertarians (both large L and small l) who say, "a pox on both of their houses; I'm not voting". Even though I was opposed to Romney in the primaries, I argued for voting for him in the general election because it was imperative to defeat Obama.

Denninger was active in the Florida LP for years, and he quit over Gary Johnson's nomination.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 11:23 AM (sdi6R)

357 Your RNC

Powerful enough to push Romney in........

Powerless to push Akin out........

Am I the only one that sees the contradiction in these statements?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 18, 2012 11:23 AM (OWjjx)

358 Famous last wordsRomney will win us some blue States like MA.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:17 AM (YdQQY)


Jeff B. or Petunia?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 11:24 AM (XlNXE)

359 And the next GOP Reagan or Goldwater will lose also, get used to it.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:15 AM (GZitp)

Maybe so, but we should test that idea. We tested two moderate GOP candidates and they both lost.

I think the GOP has one more shot left because a stealthy revolution is underway.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 11:26 AM (sRus3)

360 Famous last words


Romney will win us some blue States like MA.
Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:17 AM (YdQQY)

I believed the bullshit and clicked my ruby shoes together, but I was totally fucking wrong.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 11:27 AM (sRus3)

361 Personally I think the nation could do with a restoration of the Greek gods.

After the Second Civil War, I want a temple to goddess Nemesis where the Supreme Court is now.

Posted by: zimriel at November 18, 2012 11:29 AM (p39hN)

362 "Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 11:21 AM (BF5Y9)"

Because the election was unwinnable. We may have been swept up in a last month fantasy thanks to Rasmussun and Gallup but looking back the only thing that mattered is what the country is, a leftist/statist nation. Quit looking at this as if it's only politics and strategy and tactics and the perfect candidate. It's far bigger then that and it should be obvious to everyone by now. But you keep living your delusion, I'm sure it will be a big comfort to you when the next GOP candidate is giving his concession speech.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:29 AM (GZitp)

363 Personally I think the nation could do with a restoration of the Greek gods.

After the Second Civil War, I want a temple to goddess Nemesis where the Supreme Court is now.
Posted by: zimriel at November 18, 2012 11:29 AM (p39hN)

The Goddess Irony is taking notes.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 11:30 AM (sRus3)

364 358
Famous last wordsRomney will win us some blue States like MA.



Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:17 AM (YdQQY)

Look I was guilty as you. What else were we supposed to think?JEF was horrible and the econmy was in the shitter, and Benghazi, and Fast and Furious, and the likes of Barone telling us Romney would get over 300 electoral votes. When you can't even win a State like Wis. when the Rep.Governor was elected "twice" in 2 years and your VP is a favorite Son there, then something really stinks....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 18, 2012 11:32 AM (9+ccr)

365 If elections are unwinnable then we might as well go with Cromwell next time. Fuck moderation.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 11:34 AM (BF5Y9)

366 Jeff B. or Petunia?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 18, 2012 11:24 AM (XlNXE)

Mainly PP who has quit posting for some reason.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:35 AM (YdQQY)

367 "God's bowels! You are no President! I say you are no President! Now begone that we may be done with thee!"

I would pay good money for that.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 11:36 AM (BF5Y9)

368 Look I was guilty as you.


Yes I predicted this would be a blowout. I figured Romney would have a tough time in the South but he would still win. Instead it was the damn "moderate" States that killed him.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:38 AM (YdQQY)

369 "Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 11:34 AM (BF5Y9)"

We need to go with someone that can articulate conservatism and know they're going to lose so they can speak truthfully about where we are as a nation.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:38 AM (GZitp)

370 362 lowandslow:

The fact that the election was so close proves that it was winnable. Given Obama's disastrous first term, a rabid squirrel should have been able to win by a landslide.

I can think of several reasons for the loss:

1. The media circling the wagons around Obama, and refusing to report anything that casts him in a bad light. So many voters had no idea about the facts and the truth.

2. The country has moved to the left.

3. Romney wasn't a good candidate, and his advisors and ground game sucked.

4. More and more voters are disenchanted with establishment parties and candidates and are dropping out.

5. Voter fraud in selected precincts.

I think it's a combination of those factors. Change any one of them, and the election was not unwinnable.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 11:39 AM (sdi6R)

371 For the record I thought Romney was going to win, too. But I wasn't the candidate so overconfidence on my part doesn't count. I would love to get a look at their internal polling over the last couple of weeks.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 11:41 AM (BF5Y9)

372 Even the way they carried themselves over the last couple of weeks of campaigning was tell tale. Mitt had the advantage and was upbeat and had energetic crowds that believed America was going to put all of this past us. Teh JEF was dour and bitter. Small crowds given a poison message of voting as a way of punishing your enemies. I believe that Teh JEF was as surprised as we were that he won. I still can't believe he won. America gave in to its worst impulses.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2012 11:44 AM (jucos)

373 He lost because a punch of stupid people sat it out.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:46 AM (YdQQY)

374 "2. The country has moved to the left."

We haven't just moved to the left, we are a leftist nation. We joke about Europe but we are fucking Europe, maybe worse. We have major cities that resemble something closer to major third world cities, places unrecognizable as America to me and we're importing foreigners at a rate that make vast sections of the country even more unrecognizable as America to me. The United States that once was is no more, it's lost.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 18, 2012 11:46 AM (GZitp)

375 Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 11:39 AM (sdi6R)


An excellent list.

The GOP can take steps regarding some of them, but they won't do it.

In 2015 and 2016 they will get interviewed and moderated by Democrat operatives aka journalists. They will let Democrats and others pick the GOP nominee in open primaries. They will say stupid things and not be able to recover. They will sit there like beaten wives when the Democrats pound on them with lies and bullshit.
They will be weak. They will take our money. They will lose again.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 11:50 AM (sRus3)

376 374 lowandslow:

I can't disagree.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 11:51 AM (sdi6R)

377 Lost, lost, all is lost.

Dead people get reelected. People under indictment get reelected. People in rehab get reelected. Wives of dead dunces get elelcted to fill there seat. A fucking fake Indian practicing law illegally and unethically gets elected.


And all is lost.

It is over when you throw dirt on me, not before.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 18, 2012 11:51 AM (6H6FZ)

378 I'll add a #6 to ricki's list:
6. Pop Culture: Obama owned it. We made fun of the View/Letterman/etc. but that has to be worth some votes as well.
It's a new world and somehow, whoever we run, has to cut through the crap and sell himself straight to the masses. I'm not a Newt fan but I loved the way he called out the media and wouldn't settle for their narrative at the debates. We need more of that. More of Breitbart style not allowing the media (pop or otherwise dictate "talking points."

And I totally thought Romney had this. Was so depressed election night it took 3 days to turn on the television again.

Posted by: dixiegal at November 18, 2012 11:52 AM (ye++F)

379 He lost because a punch of stupid people sat it out.
Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 11:46 AM (YdQQY)

I see signs of something other than stupidity at work in that.

I think a quiet revolution is starting.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 11:52 AM (sRus3)

380 "We haven't just moved to the left, we are a leftist nation."

No, we are not.

Posted by: mrp at November 18, 2012 11:54 AM (HjPtV)

381 Vic, you want to call me stupid? How about I call you names back?

America lost because stupid people gave the regime of DC a legitimacy it does not deserve, by voting at all.

Or, you could put the blame on the people who voted for Obama. But that would be too hard. Pointing out that, say, the black population voted at 90%+ for the Democrat, and that the Asians and Hispanics voted at 70%+ - tha's racis'.

Easier to blame the white people who didn't vote. Even though our share of the blame is precisely nil, whoever won.

Posted by: zimriel at November 18, 2012 11:57 AM (p39hN)

382 And I totally thought Romney had this. Was so depressed election night it took 3 days to turn on the television again.

Posted by: dixiegal at November 18, 2012 11:52 AM (ye++F)

I haven't been able to watch any news shows yet. Thought I'd watch something interesting on cable last nite about Hurricane Sandy. It was interesting until the end when the "experts?" blamed global warming for the storm... Can't even get a way from the shit there...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 18, 2012 11:58 AM (9+ccr)

383 The biggest advantage the Democrats have on their side is the GOP.

Ebola lost votes compared to 2008 like he was trying to lose, and he still won.

That is some fine GOP ninja skill right there, man.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 12:02 PM (sRus3)

384 Vic called you stupid so you decided to fire off a comment to prove his point?

Fuckin' brilliant, man.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 12:04 PM (BF5Y9)

385 I don't blame people who sat it out in disgust. I blame those who voted for Obama, and the GOP leadership for promoting substandard, uninspiring candidates. (Hell, even the LP has that problem. See my #356.)

More and more voters are fed up with the choices that are presented to them, and are choosing not to play the game. I argued against it, but I honestly can't blame them.

Romney and Ryan's economic proposals weren't enough to keep us from going off the cliff. At best they would have only backed off the accelerator a little.

I think we're beyond the point of being able to vote our way out of this mess.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 12:05 PM (sdi6R)

386 It was interesting until the end when the "experts?" blamed global warming for the storm... Can't even get a way from the shit there...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna
Couldn't watch any of that either on top of the non-reporting on people w/out food/electricity, etc. I feel like we are fed news by Pravda.
So whoever runs has to be a media genius.

Posted by: dixiegal at November 18, 2012 12:05 PM (ye++F)

387 A little Metal for a fine Sunday morning - The Sword - Hammer of Heaven.

http://tinyurl.com/bkwg9rq

Great song about SMOD and Let It Burn. I particularly like these lyrics:

Now we few remain
to keep the fires alite
all is as it should be
all is set to right

now there are no cities
no tyrants and no slaves
the old world lies in ruins
a new one in its place

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 18, 2012 12:07 PM (s/PhC)

388 Vic called you stupid so you decided to fire off a comment to prove his point?

Fuckin' brilliant, man.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 12:04 PM (BF5Y9)

Clarify, please.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 12:12 PM (sRus3)

389 378 dixiegal:
And I totally thought Romney had this. Was so depressed election night it took 3 days to turn on the television again.

I quit watching TV news on Election Night 2008. Completely. Including Fox.

I kept my cable subscription, but have watched very little TV since, mostly baseball and old movies.

This week I cancelled my cable subscription and returned my converter boxes. I have no TV at all now. I don't want to give the media any more of my money.

Starve the beast. Media delenda est.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 12:17 PM (sdi6R)

390 Meghan McCain will not be leaving the Republican party. She knows damn well that her only value to her left-wing media buddies is the fact that she's technically a Republican and she attacks other Republicans.

The MBM can't say, "See how crazy you guys are? This prominent member of your own party can't stand you!" if that "prominent member" isn't actually a member anymore.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 18, 2012 12:18 PM (RLZvP)

391 Wasn't directed at you eman. It was the 11:57 drivel from zimriel.

Specifically this;"America lost because stupid people gave the regime of DC a legitimacy it does not deserve, by voting at all."

The notion that an election loses its validity because you sit it out or that the winner of the election that you sit out won't get the constitutional authority because it is illegitimate is a dangerous level of concentrated stupidity.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 18, 2012 12:20 PM (BF5Y9)

392 391
The notion that an election loses its validity because you sit it out or that the winner of the election that you sit out won't get the constitutional authority because it is illegitimate is a dangerous level of concentrated stupidity.


Yes, I hear that a lot. It makes me want to put my head through a plate glass window.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 12:23 PM (sdi6R)

393 But people sitting it out because they're fed up and disgusted, that's different. They're not holding themselves up as morally superior.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 12:24 PM (sdi6R)

394 Romney was not my choice in the primaries by a longshot. But sitting it out was the same as a vote for Obama.

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 12:26 PM (YdQQY)

395 But people sitting it out because they're fed up and disgusted, that's different. They're not holding themselves up as morally superior.
Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 12:24 PM (sdi6R)

Yes. They may be saying, "Fuck it. Have fun storming the castle."

I think a resistance is forming and it is underground and may not even be self-aware yet.

Posted by: eman at November 18, 2012 12:28 PM (sRus3)

396 394
But sitting it out was the same as a vote for Obama.


I hear that a lot too, and it also makes me want to put my head through a plate glass window.

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 12:29 PM (sdi6R)

397 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2012 12:34 PM (YdQQY)

398 Of course, functionally speaking, when the votes are counted, there's no discernible difference between

"I choose not to participate because I'm so much smarter than the sheeple"

and

"I can't stand any of the candidates. Fuck all of them. I can't force myself to pull the lever no matter how hard I hold my nose"

and

"Election? What election? What time is American Idol on"

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 12:37 PM (sdi6R)

399 DAY 12

1,448 to go


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2012 07:28 AM (XkWWK)

Since Obama would be nominally be President until January 20th, 2017, that's another 1524 days to go.

Posted by: jim at November 18, 2012 12:49 PM (VwhRo)

400 398
"I can't stand any of the candidates. Fuck all of them. I can't force myself to pull the lever no matter how hard I hold my nose"


I'm dating myself. That was a reference to the old mechanical lever voting machines I've used most of my life. They were replaced by electronic machines a few years ago. Nowadays I "push the button".

Posted by: rickl at November 18, 2012 12:53 PM (sdi6R)

401 Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 18, 2012 06:30 PM (kwNnx)






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