Thoughts On Retrenching

This is a good item to re-read, vis-a-vis how leftists in academia steer the young generation wrong, every chance they get.

...the educational establishment not only indoctrinates students, but also openly discusses the best way to do it...

And here of course, the article from last week about teachers flocking to a marxist conference.

We keep talking about how this is cultural, not political. Oh really? We have a much longer-established cultural history as rugged individualists than squishy collectivists.

You say the culture has fallen; ok, yeah, but it was pushed!

They've been at this for fifty years. Our ace in the hole is that their ideas do not work outside academia, as most people learn- including former radicals- when they get out into the job force.

And certainly business schools do not promulgate this pap, by and large. And we have an advantage where local and state governments tend to be more conservative.

We have to find ways to encourage entrepreneurship and business education at the grassroots level. We have to encroach physically with these programs, into geographic areas currently hostile to conservative thought.

We do not need to overtly proselytize with a political message. We can be sneaky, just as leftists have been sneaky. They don't talk openly about collectivism, they try to hide it! They attract by pretending to be the elite, and by living off someone else's dime, and talking about eating the rich. These things are attractive.

Well, self-reliance and prosperity are also immensely attractive, as a cultural and practical matter, and carry natural economic theory and political payloads with them.

We can push back, guys. Ideas plus action. That parallel-institutions thing Breitbart was talking about. It's brilliant.

Posted by: LauraW. at 12:22 PM



Comments

1 Love yer hump!

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2012 12:25 PM (SlED8)

2 This is why I am pro-bullying.
If these academics were slapped around by their betters, it would go a long fucking way to solving this problem.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2012 12:26 PM (SlED8)

3 Thanks, I just had it buffed

Posted by: lauraw at November 17, 2012 12:26 PM (WJf8Y)

4 And not just parallel institutions, but good people in the institutions of the left. Precisely because those institutions try to hide their message, they are often open to all.

Posted by: longerthoughts at November 17, 2012 12:27 PM (CVVLU)

5 >>just had it buffed

So smooth. So soft.
Is that TurtleWax I smell?

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2012 12:27 PM (SlED8)

6 Seventh. Or so.

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2012 12:28 PM (hO9ad)

7 This was the genius of Breitbart.

Whatever happened to the much rumored, but never launched 'Big Education' sibling site?

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 17, 2012 12:28 PM (pzmYs)

8 For Bevel Lemelisk and Vic:

First!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2012 12:29 PM (GsoHv)

9 Mink oil, from a freshly squeezed mink.

Posted by: lauraw at November 17, 2012 12:29 PM (WJf8Y)

10 If you've ever heardYale computer prof and ultra-conservative Jew, talk about his idea for U.S. education overhaul, you'd stand up and cheer. He's a brilliant, brilliant man. Pair him with former radical David Horowitz, who knows how the left thinks and puts their schemes into action, and you've got some major brain wattage. Now we just need the localities that are willing to implement their ideas.

Gerlenter outlined his idea on The Blaze TV, you know, the conservative station no one watches. I'll see if I can find a YT of it.

Posted by: RushBabe, up for SMOD or LIB, whichever comes first at November 17, 2012 12:30 PM (tQHzJ)

11 Background.... I was a full time single parent of twins... Son and Daughter... from the time they were 1 1/2... raised in the same household... same rules... same friends...

Twins are now 21.
Son is VERY conservative, and is in the US Navy, stationed in Guam.
Daugher is in College in Denver (where I'm paying for it), and is on the Liberal Gravy Train....

Best one recently, was when she accused HIM of having an entitlement mentality because he was a Privaleged White Male...

The College environment IS brainwashing our children.... I hope she comes back to reality after she graduates and hits the real world.... but their are signs of permanent damge....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 17, 2012 12:32 PM (lZBBB)

12 I think you mean squoze...
though, I find that cold pressing yields a more refined oil.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2012 12:32 PM (SlED8)

13 And we have an advantage where local and state governments tend to be more conservative.


Ahem.

Posted by: California at November 17, 2012 12:32 PM (Lxw+T)

14 One thing I always point to is that this isn't really "rugged individualism vs. collectivism", it's "voluntary vs. involuntary collectivism".

Letting the Left frame conservatism or even libertarianism as "rugged individualism" is foolish. No doubt, when you are burning the midnight oil alone working on an idea or a project, you are practicing some "rugged individualism", but when you roll out that idea to a willing and eager market or use that idea to inform a project willingly undertaken by your co-workers, you are practicing "voluntary collectivism".

What the Left wants to do is force you to participate in their collectivism by force of law, rather than force of persuasion or common interest.

That's the big difference, in my mind. If you have no desire to force your fellow citizen, by force of law, to work to advance your pet hobbyhorses, you are a natural conservative or libertarian.

Are there some exceptions to that? Sure, but they are exceptions, whereas the Left would like to obliterate the distinction between "forced collectivism" and "voluntary collectivism" altogether by making everything forced, with themselves as the ones doing the forcing.

So, appeal to people's natural tendency to sometimes want to disagree with the "powers that be". If those "powers that be" are adherents to the idea of small government, there's at least the inherent right to disagree and perhaps persuade them to a different course of action. If those "powers that be" are Leftist ideologues, your "right to disagree" goes out the window and you must kow-tow to whatever the Leftist ideology of the day says is "politically correct".

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at November 17, 2012 12:32 PM (P2Ufm)

15 David Gelernter on the failed U.S. school system and how to fix education:

http://bit.ly/S1w5V4

Posted by: RushBabe, up for SMOD or LIB, whichever comes first at November 17, 2012 12:33 PM (tQHzJ)

16 We have to find ways to encourage entrepreneurship and business education

We've got plenty of entrepreneurship today: figuring out how to con yourself some of that sweet gov't cash.

You don't just start a business and create jobs, you try to make money. If I think you can make me money, I will place a bet and hire you. If I look at the government-controlled landscape and decide I can't make money, I do not start a company and I will never hire you.

Don't "encourage" entrepreneurship, get out of the way and watch it happen.

Posted by: t-bird at November 17, 2012 12:34 PM (FcR7P)

17 Speaking of push back. Review your charitable giving. If the charity is run by lefties and sponsors "social justice" causes....DO NOT DONATE TO THEM. That includes United Way.

Posted by: Spook at November 17, 2012 12:34 PM (lp/O4)

18 message to kids:


"You're probably going to find out, as you go out there, that you're not going to amount to JACK SQUAT!"

Posted by: President Jugears McFuckstick at November 17, 2012 12:34 PM (8sCoq)

19 They've been at this for fifty years. Our ace in the hole is that their ideas do not work outside academia, as most people learn- including former radicals- when they get out into the job force.


There is a reason we want you to stay in college for ten years and then move in with mom and dad. There is a reason we are not worried about a shrinking workforce.

Posted by: The Left at November 17, 2012 12:35 PM (Lxw+T)

20 And remember that pledge thing we were all laughing about? Well- http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/11897 Turns out they knew exactly what they were doing. We need to start with psychological manipulation as well.

Posted by: Timwi at November 17, 2012 12:35 PM (pdhxN)

21 Shuttering the Fed and State DPI's would put an end to all of this. County control is the secret.

All of these big teacher fuck, drink and learn to be a Marxist parties are funded by us. The taxpayer.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:35 PM (3Y7RV)

22 Someone posted that we should demand that the leftards own all the mass murderers - the french revolution, lenin, stalin, mao, ho, pol pot, shining path, etc., every chance we get.

The french revolution was hilarious. Mass murder - start with the ruling class, then merchants, then anyone who disagrees with you, and finally quotas.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 17, 2012 12:35 PM (MazXE)

23
The french revolution was hilarious. Mass murder - start with the ruling class, then merchants, then anyone who disagrees with you, and finally quotas.
Posted by: Walkers! at November 17, 2012 12:35 PM (MazXE)

I thought we were against quotas.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:36 PM (3Y7RV)

24 Beatings. Have we tried beatings?

Posted by: President Jugears McFuckstick at November 17, 2012 12:36 PM (8sCoq)

25
Weak sauce. We don't have 50 years to fight back withthese"strategies". That's like trying to exterminate fire ants with weak, govt approved poisons that won't work.



Even conservativesstill haven't come to terms with the fact that the system is going to undergo a collapse as there is no way to pay for the promised benefits.



The fastestand smartestway out of the situation is to let it burn. Yes, that's counterintuitive to establishment Republicans. We've never been in this situation and it requires a radical solution imo.

The fiscal cliff is a mini-SMOD. Bring it. I want to see more Americans with skin in the game.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:36 PM (1Y+hH)

26 Damned sock. I got nothing. Just return to what you were doing.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 17, 2012 12:37 PM (8sCoq)

27 The noble savage meme needs to be refuted every time an idiot spouts it. Challenge them to read the Aztec treatment of other tribes. Heck ask them to research why which tribe supported either the English or the French in the French-Indian War. Or the war to unify the Hawai'ian islands by the Polynesians. There is no noble savage.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 17, 2012 12:37 PM (oZsll)

28 ???

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 17, 2012 12:37 PM (oZsll)

29 This post is racist. You are just trying to protect your trust funds. You all are bigots and mean mean people that don't want the poor to have the basic necessities of life! Obama cares about the poor.

Posted by: The Media at November 17, 2012 12:38 PM (H4a9N)

30
Note: The commie conference was held at the school of journalism. Coincidence? Nah!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 17, 2012 12:38 PM (MazXE)

31 'The only thing we have to fear is not meeting our quota.'
-FDR

Posted by: Famous Quota Quotes at November 17, 2012 12:38 PM (SlED8)

32 How did I manage to 'strike out' half my comment?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 17, 2012 12:38 PM (oZsll)

33 There is a ton of government money out there to establish entities that seem green on the outside but actually work to push conservative principles.

Get some and do it.

My plans are coming together...

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 17, 2012 12:39 PM (I2LwF)

34 The fiscal cliff is a mini-SMOD. Bring it. I want to see more Americans with skin in the game.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:36 PM (1Y+hH)

I got this strange feeling the fiscal cliff is like Y2K. Yeah there will be some issues but for most people it will not be felt, not in a meaningful way anyhow. The current collective will continue to use more bandaids as the strip us of any remedies we have against them.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:39 PM (3Y7RV)

35 >>>32 How did I manage to 'strike out' half my comment?

Strike-out quota. Gots to be filled, by force if necessary.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 17, 2012 12:41 PM (pzmYs)

36 This makes much sense, but I still feel the only way to take it all down, is coordinated boycotts by right wing consumers. They only way to change the pattern.

1. Boycott the networks thru Football, and the corps that own them. Comcast, Disney, etc...

2. Microsoft, Warren Buffet( Geico etc..) are the biggest left wing masters of education funding

Posted by: Jack J at November 17, 2012 12:41 PM (4WesI)

37 We keep talking about how this is cultural, not political. Oh really? We have a much longer-established cultural history as rugged individualists than squishy collectivists.

It's not cultural. It's due to a change in population combined with the absolute cowardice of those allegedly representing conservativism. Romney wouldn't even dare go after barky and explain what an America-hating, retarded piece of shit the Indonesian is. The GOP won't dare go after the despciable, lying scumbag left and hammer on what nihilistic, destructive pieces of shit they are. Our fucking Senate GOP was happy to allow a SCOTUS nominee through on the basis of empathy, in direct opposition to over three millenia of history and the foundation of Western jurisprudence (Exodus 23:3 "neither shalt thou favour a poor man in his cause."). But the cowardly shitstains in the GOP couldn't be seen fighting any of the black kid's picks .. lest they be "raaaaaacisty raaacists"!!! And they let the perjuring SCOTUS pick through, too.

No, the problem is not cultural (though the change in our population is certainly a dangerous and driving force for third worldness) but it's in the cowardice of those who are left to defend the Republic. If they will not do their duty and there are too many judges who like to rule in an anti-cultural manner ... just because "Fuck America!!" ... then we arrive at the sad, pathetic state we are at.

The Constitutional Union of American States.

Sometimes, you just have to start over. The American Socialist Superstate cannot be fixed. The disease has eaten away at the vital organs. Time for a new nation dedicated to the American way of life and bound by our Constitution and the Rule of Law.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 12:43 PM (X3lox)

38 I love Football, but there is no doubt that a boycott of Network Football would bring the MSM bastards to their knees.

Posted by: Jack J at November 17, 2012 12:44 PM (4WesI)

39 Best to focus on ways to stem the flow of $ that the dems use to buy elections. That is a winning strategy. The alternative is to give away more free stuff and that is anathema. A fiscal cliff would work...

Posted by: TrueNorthist at November 17, 2012 12:44 PM (3Aixx)

40 I think that another word which needs to be thrown in the Left's face constantly is "micromanagement". "Independent" voters will probably break even harder against the Left if we can brand the Left with that term. No one who isn't an Obama zombie would much like the idea that their lives would be micromanaged. It's one of the most commonly cited aspects of their job that people dislike.

So, remind them that Leftism is micromanagement applied to an entire society.

I also think it's a good counter to the constant Leftist charge that "Conservatives don't give specifics for where they want to take the country". Well, the reason for that is because we aren't micromanagers.

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at November 17, 2012 12:45 PM (P2Ufm)

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Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:39 PM (3Y7RV)

Right. We are in a depression anyway. The cliff will broaden the tax base. One of our biggest problems is the narrow tax base which leads to people voting for goodies since they don't pay for them.

The fiscal cliff is oversold as a disaster.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:45 PM (1Y+hH)

42 I predict that Obama will first nominate a Gay to the Supreme Court

Posted by: Jack J at November 17, 2012 12:45 PM (4WesI)

43 >>>36 This makes much sense, but I still feel the only way to take it all down, is coordinated boycotts by right wing consumers. They only way to change the pattern.

If nothing else, can we get a few thousand Tea Partiers to stand outside their offices and scare the piss out of them for a few weeks?

I understand the venom flowing towards the GOP right now. It's justifiable in most cases. But the MFM is right there and probably more responsible than anyone else for Obama's victory.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 17, 2012 12:46 PM (pzmYs)

44 Culture IS political to lefties--everything ( as in Gary Oldman everything !!! )
is political to the Left. Every thought, word, and deed


I've taught in the belly of The Beast for a quarter of a century. Wouldn't believe the troubles I've seen; just wouldn't believe how rotten and politically skanky and Sh*tty academia is...

Posted by: Isaac Davis White at November 17, 2012 12:46 PM (Dll6b)

45
I predict that Obama will first nominate a Gay to the Supreme Court

Besides the two he already has?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 17, 2012 12:47 PM (/kI1Q)

46 I have to admit, I thought this post was going to be about vaginaplasty.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2012 12:47 PM (SlED8)

47 38 I love Football, but there is no doubt that a boycott of Network Football would bring the MSM bastards to their knees.
Posted by: Jack J at November 17, 2012 12:44 PM (4WesI)

Great idea, but the NFL is all powerful and has hold on most folks. I don't know what words of wisdom anyone could impart to make them turn it off.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:47 PM (3Y7RV)

48 Boycott, yes, and Burn, let it.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 17, 2012 12:47 PM (jfUIE)

49 Downside is: they are now trying to reshape the workforce to agree with their theories, or at least, demonize the world when it doesn't.

Eg.
1) Pass Obamacare which raises costs on business
2) Businesses raise prices or cut other costs in response.
3) GREEDY BUSINESSES! PUNISH THEM!

Posted by: Coldstream at November 17, 2012 12:47 PM (qrCKL)

50 Sometimes, you just have to start over. The American Socialist Superstate cannot be fixed. The disease has eaten away at the vital organs. Time for a new nation dedicated to the American way of life and bound by our Constitution and the Rule of Law.Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 12:43 PM (X3lox)


Exactly. Anyone who thinks we "burners" are happy about having to try our strategy of resistance are wrong. We do this sadness while recognizing reality. We are well beyond any political adjustments that are going to fix this mess.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:47 PM (1Y+hH)

51 And we have an advantage where local and state governments tend to be
more conservative.


I'm becoming skeptical of this sentiment nowadays. That may not be the correct way to state it and is more that the state and local governments unwittingly caused this. Here's the rationale, the local govie took a very low paying gig with the promise of great retirement benies, early retirement and set for life. Local elected officials either did this without forethought (most likely) or with knowledge that that was their only hope of getting jobs done. These same local government workers are the now the very ones that refuse to give up their ridiculous, economic crippling positions and hence now are the very problem simply being "takers".

Posted by: dogfish at November 17, 2012 12:48 PM (N2yhW)

52 I had the rare and unusual experience of being able to visit both the USSR and China during the early 1980s. I was a bandleader on a cruise ship flying the flag of Norway.

Nothing could replace those unforgettable experiences of getting to see first hand the results of socialism, communism and collectivism. The utter degradation of the human spirit. The triumph of corruption over morality. The appalling dearth of anything resembling personal initiative.

It changed me forever, and I hope for the better.

Posted by: navybrat at November 17, 2012 12:49 PM (r1ty1)

53 @42
Bingo.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at November 17, 2012 12:49 PM (Lxw+T)

54 Should read "we do this IN sadness..." above...

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:49 PM (1Y+hH)

55 And now it becomes easy to see what conservatives are trying to conserve

Posted by: DAve at November 17, 2012 12:49 PM (XDC0v)

56 46 I have to admit, I thought this post was going to be about vaginaplasty.


It is, but it's in coded dog whistles.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at November 17, 2012 12:50 PM (Lxw+T)

57 I don't think it is the nature of the conservative heart to play Alinsky. We still see lying as wrong not an effective political strategy. Thus we lose.

Posted by: just L at November 17, 2012 12:50 PM (0PiQ4)

58 let it burn

Posted by: AES at November 17, 2012 12:50 PM (Emi7D)

59 This is why I am pro-bullying.

If these academics were slapped around by their betters, it would go a long fucking way to solving this problem.
Posted by: garrett


Care for an issue or are you all topped off?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 17, 2012 12:51 PM (4h0z0)

60 The fiscal cliff is oversold as a disaster.

It's not so much that the fiscal cliff is a disaster, but that federal deficit spending is hiding the depression (the real, ongoing disaster), and making it worse by misallocating resources, and the fiscal cliff will pull back the curtain.

It's a disaster for the politicians who don't want people to deal directly with how thoroughly screwed we are because of them.

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2012 12:51 PM (hO9ad)

61
I do not want to live through a Euro-style 40 year descent into hell.


I want this over with as soon as possible.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:52 PM (1Y+hH)

62 It's a disaster for the politicians who don't want people to deal directly with how thoroughly screwed we are because of them.
Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2012 12:51 PM (hO9ad)

How will the people that don't see it now, see it then?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:52 PM (3Y7RV)

63 I am old enough to remember when being a Marxist would disqualify you from public service, especially influencing children.

Posted by: real joe is going Lebowski, call me Dude at November 17, 2012 12:53 PM (PD2ad)

64 It will require the local and state governments to officially push back against the feds and the takers, and I am just not sure that can happen with so many of the local takers dependent upon and the local governments that will do nothing. ...it's not what you know, it's who you know.

Posted by: dogfish at November 17, 2012 12:54 PM (N2yhW)

65 yes, the MFM is the mouthpiece and trumpet of The Left. It needs to be gutted, boycotted, abandoned, and destroyed.


You can buy an indoor antenna for 30 dollahs or so, and get your local channels if you aren't out in the boonies. Comcast is NBC is Universal Studios, and needs to die a quick painful death


Don't go to the movies and don't buy DVDs of movies. Starve the beast...

Posted by: Isaac Davis White at November 17, 2012 12:54 PM (Dll6b)

66 "...the fiscal cliff will pull back the curtain.

It's a disaster for the politicians who don't want people to deal directly with how thoroughly screwed we are because of them."
Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2012 12:51 PM (hO9ad)




And it's high time that curtain was pulled back. Liberals and many so-called conservatives are still living in la la land.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:54 PM (1Y+hH)

67 I went to Leningrad to the big department store in 1982. There, in the sidewalk display window which measured at least 100 feet wide sat 3 cans of peaches, stacked in a little pyramid.

That was as good as it got if you were a shopper.

And of course, they were out of the actual peaches.

The cans were empty, or so I was told.

Posted by: navybrat at November 17, 2012 12:54 PM (r1ty1)

68 Just think of what the Tea Party could have done with the $300 million pissed away on Karl Rove.

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at November 17, 2012 12:55 PM (AzwZn)

69 Part of my reasoning for the 'let it burn' strategy...I'm tired of fighting the Democrats.

I want to fight the media. I want to fight Hollywood. I want to fight the Education System.

If video games and Batman have taught me anything, it's that you have to take out all the henchmen, toadies and sidekicks before you can beat the final boss.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 17, 2012 12:55 PM (pzmYs)

70 Trying to get a list of all the Hostess plant locations. Anyone?

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at November 17, 2012 12:55 PM (6eu/y)

71 68 Just think of what the Tea Party could have done with the $300 million pissed away on Karl Rove.
Posted by: Capt. Obvious at November 17, 2012 12:55 PM (AzwZn)

No Shit, great point.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:55 PM (3Y7RV)

72 It is even more evident after the blackmail of Patreus, that Justice Roberts was threatened also. Is he Gay? Is it his adopting foreign children?Who knows

But this is the Obama/Axlerod/Rahm/Schumer scumbag playbook

Posted by: Jack J at November 17, 2012 12:56 PM (4WesI)

73 Posted by: Capt. Obvious at November 17, 2012 12:32 PM (P2Ufm)

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This. Conservatives need to highlight the ways in which government stops or discourages churches, families and communities from banding together to take care of themselves and each other and the disastrous consequences.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 12:56 PM (2KBjW)

74 Glenn Reynolds explained the hate that academia elitists have for those who succeed in business

The perfessers believe that as "brilliant intellects" the spoils of society should be bestowed upon them. It galls them that someone who didn't go to the "right" universities and belong to the "right thinking" class does not deserve success

The line of thinking is "if you're so rich, why aren't you smart!"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (wwsoB)

75 Hostess comes from plants? Must be vegan then...

Posted by: DAve at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (XDC0v)

76 How will the people that don't see it now, see it then?Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:52 PM (3Y7RV)___ _____ ____ ___They will see it when their specific benefits are ravaged, and only then will they see it. When their pension is cut in half, when their social security payments are cut, when their unemployment isn't extended, and so forth.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (1Y+hH)

77
And it's high time that curtain was pulled back. Liberals and many so-called conservatives are still living in la la land.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:54 PM (1Y+hH)

OK, but how will the 52% that voted for the bag O shit, who did not see the problem then, see it now?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (3Y7RV)

78 The fastestand smartestway out of the situation is to let it burn.

But it won't actually burn. We will limp along for a while and eventually recover, and those in charge (Democrats) will get the credit for it. And socialism, American-style, will have been "proved" to have worked. That's the problem with the "let it burn" strategy.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (d/5qf)

79 68. Agreed. Ground game resources, bought some Newspapers

Posted by: Jack J at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (4WesI)

80 It won't work. Call me when you're ready to engage in violence. THAT works.

Posted by: Trump at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (6cVBc)

81 Well, self-reliance and prosperity are also immensely attractive, as a cultural and practical matter, and carry natural economic theory and political payloads with them.

Wellllll....unfortunately, self-reliance is not terribly attractive when there is an alternative being sold. As has been stated here before, conservatism is not natural. We need to get that into our heads. It's not natural. What's natural is doing the least amount of work necessary to survive. That's what liberalism appeals to. Fatherhood is not natural. It's a societal construct. Once society stopped expecting it, and subsidized its replacement, more people began choosing the alternative: government aid.

Government growth in a free society with regular elections is natural. Every two years politicians identify a problem and say "Vote for me, and I will get governent to fix that problem." What's not natural is a politician saying "Vote for me, I promise to do less." But that is what conservative candidates essentially have to campaign on.

Conservatism is not, on the surface, as attractive as liberalism ("There is nothing government can't do if we're all willing to pay our fair share.") The result of conservatism - individual freedom, limited taxation, work ethic, prosperity - is very attractive.

We keep talking about how this is cultural, not political. Oh really? We have a much longer-established cultural history as rugged individualists than squishy collectivists.

Keep in mind, the generation that brought us entitlements was not the Baby Boomer generation, but their parents, the Greatest Generation. The Boomers weren't old enough to vote for the Great Society and the War on Poverty; that was their parents. If you want to peg the start of the Entitlement Age with the implementation of Social Security, our rugged individualism was dying off quite some time ago.

The Left could not have done without its stranglehold on all of the opinion-shaping machinery: adademia, news and entertainment media -- everything that shapes opinion, they dominated. We'll never match their numbers in those fields, but if the battle is about ideas - which it is - the Internet gives us a chance to break the monopoly.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 12:58 PM (9G+G5)

82 Well, self-reliance and prosperity are also immensely attractive, as a cultural and practical matter, and carry natural economic theory and political payloads with them.


I fear this is mistaken. Look at the oceans of people who run their lives like the most selfish of capitalist caricatures yet consistently vote leftard. This covers the vast majority of well-paid taxpayers in Clownifornia. My business is full of people earning low to mid six figures, taking every deduction and perk imaginable, clawing their way to buying the most expensive houses and cars, yet will never ever consider voting Republican.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at November 17, 2012 12:59 PM (Lxw+T)

83 Obama cares about the poor.
Posted by: The Media at November 17, 2012 12:38 PM (H4a9N)

This one is my favorite. His half brother lives in crushing poverty in an African shithole, he left four guys to die in Libya, he threw away Jeremiah Wright (sorry, no 'Reverend' for that clown) like a Kleenex when he became a liability...

...And you think he cares about YOU?

Posted by: Secundus at November 17, 2012 12:59 PM (CKZA8)

84
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (3Y7RV)


See my #76. They will see it only when the pain is felt directly. The sooner that happens the better.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:59 PM (1Y+hH)

85 It's not so much that the fiscal cliff is a disaster, but that federal deficit spending is hiding the depression (the real, ongoing disaster), and making it worse by misallocating resources, and the fiscal cliff will pull back the curtain.

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2012 12:51 PM (hO9ad)


Yep. The only problem is with the defense cuts. I think that most of the estate tax problem can be taken care of by distributing assets before death, though the estate tax is still one of the most offensive taxes around.

The Weeping Boner cut a shit deal with this (because he's an incompetent retarded asshole whose re-election makes me want to see the whole House GOP DIAF) but the fact is that the feral government needs to have its spending cut by a trillion a year which this "fiscal cliff" doesn't even come close to doing.

It would be nice if conservative pundits would keep talking about the idiocy of more than 8% of borrowed and spent money to claim less than 2% of "growth". It's an offensive lie, and yet I have heard about no one on the right or in the GOP even fucking bother to mention it. That douchebag Ron Paul never even bothered talking about it. They just let the criminal left continue to claim that we have "growth" when we clearly have nothing of the sort.

The Weeping Piece of Shit Boner cut an awful deal for the sequester, but the GOP should just tell the Senate that unless they pass an actual budget, nothing else is moving. And the House GOP should just put an end to all this crap and NOT PASS ANY MORE LIFTING OF THE DEBT LIMIT! No more. Strangle the feral government and force it out of our lives. That is the ONLY solution to this problem. Every time the GOP House raises the debt limit they are aiding and abetting the feral government's takeover of this nation and enslavement of the citizenry.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 01:00 PM (X3lox)

86 I also remember that people in the USSR would queue up in a line, hundreds of people deep. They would not even know what the line was for. They simply reasoned that if there was a line, there was something worth waiting in line for and they would get in line. I shit you not!

Posted by: navybrat at November 17, 2012 01:00 PM (r1ty1)

87 They will see it when their specific benefits are ravaged, and only then will they see it. When their pension is cut in half, when their social security payments are cut, when their unemployment isn't extended, and so forth.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (1Y+hH)

It's that way now isn't it? Aren't we already broke? that will take at least a decade to become obvious to them. The marxists just keep printing and barrowing. By then we are looking at Chaos. Big time Chaos.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 01:00 PM (3Y7RV)

88
While clearly liberals control the current trajectory of our culture, an oft-overlooked fact is that time is not on their side. For two reasons.

The first and most immediate reason is that Europe started on the progressive path long before us, and is much closer to reaching the punchline of socialism's final act than we are. As their economies and social institutions continue to fray and degrade, smug liberals will become harder and harder pressed to point to Europe as a shining example of what-could-be. Instead, the death spiral of what-was-inevitible-from-the-beginning will be made clear in all too terrible ways.

The second, more fundamental reason is that socialism won't work no matter how much time you give it, because it runs contrary to human nature. It's merely a mechanism to cannibalize the future to enjoy a more comfortable present. It enervates cultures from within and leaves them hollow. This damage may be enough to destroy European culture, and allow itself to be overtaken by the far more culturally confident, aggressive and willing-to-multiply Islamic immigrants.

But here? No.

Americans have a long standing national narrative of rebellion, resistance to tyranny, freedom, etc, that can only be co-opted by liberals just so far. So long as enough aspects of traditional American culture survive when the crash occurs, and our side is sufficiently focused and mobilized to deal with the aftermath, we may yet see a great American revival. If not, we'll crumble slowly, like Europe, and be absorbed by the next culture to stroll past us.

How we focus and mobilize now will greatly impact our odds for weathering what comes next.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 17, 2012 01:00 PM (27tUc)

89 78. Disagree. That did not happen in Europe. Let it Burn, them comes Austerity.

And that got British PM Brown fired, German Marxist Chancellor Schroeder canned, and Socialist Zapetero dumped in Spain. also add Canadian PM Martin to that group


Posted by: Jack J at November 17, 2012 01:00 PM (4WesI)

90 49
3) GREEDY BUSINESSES! PUNISH THEM!
Posted by: Coldstream at November 17, 2012 12:47 PM (qrCKL)

It's EVERYWHERE - just returned from a quick trip to the supermarket for last minute turkey-day items & I got into an argument with the libtard behind me on line when he saw the box of yodels I bought for my kid and he started in about how big business killed Hostess. I cannot believe the lies he was spouting and no amount of truth I threw in his face mattered...and when he saw I would not back down, he tried to bring up women's rights.

Like I need this crap on a Saturday morning?
Oh, and my mother and daughter had to pull me out of the store...

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 17, 2012 01:01 PM (53riN)

91
Humans can adapt to horrific conditions if they come about slowly over time. It's take a shock to wake people from such a slumber of slow decline.

We need the shock. It's coming anyway. Make it sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:01 PM (1Y+hH)

92 52 navy rat

I went to Berlin in 1989, both sides, east and west. Like night and day. The commies forced visitors to trade in the equivalent $25 for their money. Me and my friends spent nearly an hour just trying to find something decent to buy with it I settled on the worst chocolate bars I have ever eaten and a bland bowl of mush at a sit down restaurant. I couldn't wait to get the hell out of there. And the people just looked so vacant.

Posted by: just L at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (0PiQ4)

93
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 01:00 PM (X3lox)


Republicans in office aren't going to do a damn thing about any of this, surely you know that.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (1Y+hH)

94 We need the shock. It's coming anyway. Make it sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:01 PM (1Y+hH)

I think that's the point I was haplessly trying to make. There will be no shock. Only the frog boil.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (3Y7RV)

95 OK, but how will the 52% that voted for the bag O shit, who did not see the problem then, see it now?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 12:57 PM (3Y7RV)

Because we keep trying to enlighten them during the heat of a presidential campaign. Meanwhile, the Left works tirelessly BETWEEN campaigns. The issues need to be framed before presidential elections. People have already made up their minds about what kind of governance they want by then; at that point they're looking to see which candidate matches it. We have to stop simply selling candidates, and start selling ideas.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (9G+G5)

96 As has been stated here before, conservatism is not natural. We need to get that into our heads. It's not natural.

------------

You know, that's a good point and easily turned against the leftists. You know what IS natural? Tooth decay. Death before 50. All the things that make civilization great are fundamentally unnatural, like phones and heat and air conditioning and Twinkies and the ability to watch Kate Upton at any hour of the day.

So somehow we need to get it through everyone else's heads that conservatism is, yes, beautifully, amazingly unnatural, just like everything else you love.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (2KBjW)

97 How will the people that don't see it now, see it then?

The currently blissfully ignorant, when faced with unavoidable reality, will no doubt think a disaster has occurred. But the change that produces that awareness is the consequence of the problem, not the problem itself.

The actual problem was capitalism (which is about lending surplus resources to business ventures as a means of expanding the economy according to usefulness) was bastardized into credit (loaning money printed out of thin air to loan out for mortgages, credit cards, student loans, auto loans, and any other crap that let's people live beyond their means-the federal debt is the same madness, they just needed to apply the debt to the nation because most of the time people aren't stupid enough to make unlimited loans to the poor).

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2012 01:04 PM (hO9ad)

98 Spread propaganda.

Remember propaganda is not by definition false.

Vote with your feet.

More support to your friends, less support to your foes.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:04 PM (sRus3)

99 It's actually going to end up poetically hilarious for the Marxist teachers and professors when they reach retirement age.

They're growing the very Free Shit Army who they'll be battling in later years over what's left over after they've killed the producers.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:05 PM (wwsoB)

100 Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 17, 2012 01:01 PM (53riN)

They're True Believers. You'd be better off arguing with a doorknob.

In one small way, this election was rather liberating. I don't have to waste the time or the blood pressure disliking Progs or wishing bad things on them anymore. Because it's going to happen to them, by their own hands. They have completed the temple to their god, who will eat them.

Posted by: Secundus at November 17, 2012 01:05 PM (CKZA8)

101 It's that way now isn't it? Aren't we already broke? that will take at least a decade to become obvious to them. The marxists just keep printing and barrowing. By then we are looking at Chaos. Big time Chaos.Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 01:00 PM (3Y7RV)No Sailer, it isn't. All the goodies are still flowing. People are suffering, but nothing like they are going to suffer when the actual cuts come.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:05 PM (1Y+hH)

102 Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (9G+G5)

Agreed. Our mechanism for that is what? The GOP? I guess that's our challenge. Find and develope a mechanism.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 01:06 PM (3Y7RV)

103 You guys know there's a nood, right? With elbows?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 17, 2012 01:06 PM (GEICT)

104 Time was that we had the USSR and East Germany and China as blatant examples of how bad things could get. Today all we have is the Norks, and maybe Cuba. Venezuela perhaps. China and Vietnam have largely abandoned Marxist principles and are simply top down authoritarian merchant states.

Posted by: navybrat at November 17, 2012 01:06 PM (r1ty1)

105 Republicans in office aren't going to do a damn thing about any of this, surely you know that.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (1Y+hH)


Yeah ... they made that perfectly clear after the 2010 elections - which was a good part of the loss in 2012. I blame the Weeping Boner and his gang of idiots in the House who followed him. They shit all over the Tea Party and crushed any enthusiasm. Nominating Romney was just the cherry on that shit cake.

As I wrote, the re-election of the Weeping Boner speaks volumes of crap about the House GOP. They are totally worthless, which is why America will not be restored. It's over.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 01:06 PM (X3lox)

106 I like that you are pro-winning, Humplady.

I wish the party, and its pundits were. West was willing to man the barricades. The party is betraying him as we speak.

Posted by: Beautiful Loser at November 17, 2012 01:06 PM (OQpzc)

107 To use a Maureen Dowd pop culture analogy;

Academia sees themselves as The Professor who has figured out multiple times how to get the castaways off the island, but Gilligan (stoopid republicans) always mess it up for him


Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:07 PM (wwsoB)

108 Keep in mind, the generation that brought us entitlements was not the
Baby Boomer generation, but their parents, the Greatest Generation.


I'd need a breakdown of what percentage of the GG was over 21 when FDR was elected, but I'm pretty sure the GG's parents can a huge chunk of the blame. By the time LBJ took office, people had been expecting the government to give people money to stay alive for almost thirty years--over a generation at the time.

We've been boned for a very, very long time.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 17, 2012 01:07 PM (/kI1Q)

109 And yes, Sailor we are looking at chaos. There is no free lunch way out of this situation. None. It's going to be very ugly.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:07 PM (1Y+hH)

110 Republicans in office aren't going to do a damn thing about any of this, surely you know that.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (1Y+hH)

Republicans in office care about the same things as Democrats in office: doing whatever it takes to attract a majority of votes for re-election. Ultimately, our task is not to strongarm Republican office holders, it's to convince a majority of their constiuents.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:07 PM (9G+G5)

111 Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:05 PM (1Y+hH)

I really hope you are right.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 01:07 PM (3Y7RV)

112 In the end, the sequester is fairly meaningless. The only thing that matters is the debt limit and that IT CANNOT BE RAISED.

The DEBT LIMIT is where the rubber meets the road. Not the retarded sequester.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 01:09 PM (X3lox)

113 As I wrote, the re-election of the Weeping Boner speaks volumes of crap about the House GOP. They are totally worthless, which is why America will not be restored. It's over.Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 01:06 PM (X3lox)Agreed. I realized it in 2007 and left the party. They are worse than useless, they are enablers of the doomed welfare state. They are betting they can delay the inevitable long enough to stack up some dough and get the hell out. in time to save themselves.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:09 PM (1Y+hH)

114 no institution can recover if it continues to mount debt, and raise debt ceilings. one cannot rise from fiscal insolvency with policies that continue to contribute to such. it's on fire. it will burn. some are tired pissing in the wind to put it out. it's faster to rebuild if you let the fire consume the garbage you'd otherwise have to clean up in the process of rebuilding.

Posted by: AES at November 17, 2012 01:10 PM (GXQaK)

115 Navybrat

We're already there. Do you remember reading about people waiting in line for 5 hrs bc they thought section 8 housing vouchers were being handed out? I think it was in Detroit. Vouchers weren't even being handed out, just flyers instructing the dummies on how to apply for them.

we have an entire class of people willing to wait in bread lines for hours and hours but refuse to work.

Posted by: just L at November 17, 2012 01:12 PM (0PiQ4)

116 You can get dvds free from library-just sayin'

Posted by: Bloody Mary at November 17, 2012 01:13 PM (ZRoGl)

117 Let the debt limit rise.

If it does, we go over the cliff.

If it does not, we go over the cliff.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:13 PM (sRus3)

118 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 17, 2012 01:07 PM (/kI1Q)

That's true. Of course, the type of entitlements -- income for elderly widows v. welfare for ablebodied young people - are quite different. But I guess once you go down that road, you don't stop. Probably what all those heartless Republicans were trying to get acorss to people when the New Deal was being implemented.

The Left derided Republicans who warned about the slipperty slope -- and then did everything they could to prove them right.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:13 PM (9G+G5)

119 I'd need a breakdown of what percentage of the GG was over 21 when FDR was elected, but I'm pretty sure the GG's parents can a huge chunk of the blame. By the time LBJ took office, people had been expecting the government to give people money to stay alive for almost thirty years--over a generation at the time.

We've been boned for a very, very long time.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 17, 2012 01:07 PM (/kI1Q)


Yep. It was the electorate that voted Roosevelt in that brought us the initial entitlement wave. Very few of the Greatest were of voting age.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:13 PM (2Rwdk)

120
If you want a shock, I suggest you read a book from 1991 or 2 entitled "The Great Boom Ahead" by Harry S. Dent. Dent has been ridden hard for stock market misses but his predictions of today's situationare stunning to read.

That book is why I'm happily retired today. I saw what Dent was predicting and prepared accordingly, investing in real estate and stocks and then getting out of most of that before the crash.

Dent even predicted the rise in terrorism almost 10 years before 9/11.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:15 PM (1Y+hH)

121
The DEBT LIMIT is where the rubber meets the road. Not the retarded sequester.Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 01:09 PM (X3lox)I got a thousand bucks that says they raise the debt limit. Hell, make it $10,000, I like easy money.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 17, 2012 01:16 PM (1Y+hH)

122 The only thing the GOP should resist with all its might is amnesty.

Amnesty is boots on the ground occupying your headquarters.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:16 PM (sRus3)

123 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 01:09 PM (X3lox)

Which is why the Administration is already talking about the Argument that the Consitution gives the PRESIDENT the ability to raise the debt limit by himself... so the 'full faith and credit' of the US is maintained...

Cherry picking one piece of the Constitution over the rest of it... is a hallmark of the Liberal mindset.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 17, 2012 01:17 PM (lZBBB)

124 The fight over taxes and spending is over and done.

Taxes will go up. Spending will go up, too.

It is unstoppable.

It must run its course.

Just be prepared.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:18 PM (sRus3)

125 Amnesty is boots on the ground occupying your headquarters.
Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:16 PM (sRus3)

That is the deal breaker for me. I've written off quite a few pundits recently. As far as I'm concerned, they can rot in hell. There is no recovering from that.

I will no longer vote for people who profit from betraying me.

Posted by: Beautiful Loser at November 17, 2012 01:19 PM (OQpzc)

126 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:13 PM (2Rwdk)

And that was just the end of the reconfiguing ofthe Constiution they did in the very early 1900's.... THAT was the true begining of the End of the Republic... THAT was when they started to push we were a Democracy, NOT a Republic.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 17, 2012 01:20 PM (lZBBB)

127 Something else, too. And forgive me if I keep hammering on this but I think it's important.

When GOP voters vet candidates in the primaries, it is no longer enough to know where they stand on the issues. That is important, but of equal importance is... do they know how to fight?

GOP candidates need to be asked:

1. "What did Romney do wrong, strategically?"
2. "How will you respond when a liberal journalist asks you a gotcha question about abortion-rape?"
3. "How are you going to get your message to the people when the media are hostile to you?"

It's not enough to be right, we have to win.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 17, 2012 01:20 PM (azHfB)

128 Which is why the Administration is already talking about the Argument that the Consitution gives the PRESIDENT the ability to raise the debt limit by himself... so the 'full faith and credit' of the US is maintained...

This is something he might try. Chicago, look to Chicago politics to foretell Obastard's plans.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at November 17, 2012 01:20 PM (Lxw+T)

129 That could have worked 30 some-odd years ago, but I agree with the Let-It-Burn crowd. Too late to do this nationwide.

Maybe not too late to do it in red states....

Posted by: Leigh at November 17, 2012 01:20 PM (1eJh0)

130 When it all burns, we'll have seen it coming but the "experts" will call it sudden and "unexpected". The experts keep kicking the can down the road, claim the problem is solved, and the system is still functioning even though it's running on fumes. Until the shit hits YOUR fan, you assume all is well and the best and brightest know how to fix any problem.

The attitude right now is "the economy always bounces back".

Until it doesn't. It's only sudden and unexpected because they thought there was more road left over to kick the can down

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:21 PM (wwsoB)

131 Which is why the Administration is already talking about the Argument that the Consitution gives the PRESIDENT the ability to raise the debt limit by himself... so the 'full faith and credit' of the US is maintained...

Cherry picking one piece of the Constitution over the rest of it... is a hallmark of the Liberal mindset.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 17, 2012 01:17 PM (lZBBB)


Yep. It's not as if we live in anything close to the Rule of Law, anymore. What the Constitution does say (that the treasonous left are trying to use in this retarded argument) is that Barky was not allowed to get on TV and scream day after day that the US was going to default on its debt if the House GOP didn't raise the debt limit. That was abviously false as the receipts to the feral government were in excess of $200 bill/month while debt service was at something around $20 bill/month. Barky committed an impeachable act in trying to hold the full and faith and credit of America hostage in that "negotiation" (that was back in Volume II of the Articles of Impeachment of Barky) ... but the cowardly GOP couldn't be bothered to mention that fact. In fact, the retards in the GOP let Barky pin the blame on the downgrade (which he DEMANDED and Moody's tried to ally with him on, though they got cold feet with all the stupidity and eventually bowed out, just to have S+P rush in to Barky's rescue with the asinine downgrade) on them and then caved like the imbecilic pussies they are.

But ... none of it matters. Barky doesn't give a shit about any law. The dems and the left don't give a shit about any law. Benedickhead Roberts doesn't give a shit about any law. And the GOP are a bunch of pussies who wouldn't put up a fight for anything. America is dead and buried.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 17, 2012 01:24 PM (X3lox)

132 It's not enough to be right, we have to win.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 17, 2012 01:20 PM (azHfB)


Could you define "win?" I've been voting for Rs since Reagan and I must be missing how the things I care about have won a damn thing.

Posted by: Beautiful Loser at November 17, 2012 01:24 PM (OQpzc)

133 The GOP must stop interference from the Donks on which candidates get to run

It was pretty well known to Dems that Todd Akin was a loose cannon and a dim bulb. Far better candidates in the primaries were there, but McCaskill's people did a search and destroy mission on them, leaving the worst candidate as her opponent

They knew what Todd Akin was, and that if he was asked a rape question that he'd be dumb enough to answer it

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:25 PM (wwsoB)

134 Agreed. Our mechanism for that is what? The GOP? I guess that's our challenge. Find and develope a mechanism.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 01:06 PM (3Y7RV)

Were the Democrats the mechanism for the Left? No. I think that is what people are trying to say with the culture v. politics 'chicken or the egg' discussion. Which drives which? I think the Right wins on culture, but we just don't have as many ways to express it. Yet.

Breitbart showed the way. The Marxist teachers story from a top would give plenty of parents pause. But not if they don't hear about it, or just hear it from partisans. Another nonliberal news channel would be nice. "Sirs, may we have a SECOND conservatives news channel, please?"

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:25 PM (9G+G5)

135
Simple solution: Kill the Humanities.
Strangle the Social Sciences.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 01:25 PM (xSegX)

136 The Left derided Republicans who warned about the slipperty slope -- and then did everything they could to prove them right.
Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:13 PM (9G+G5)


Yes, they did. Read or listen to some of Galbraiths' interviews from the 70's (there are some on "The World at War"). What an arrogant ass and the Republicans were trying to warn them. It fell on deaf ears because we were the worlds economy then. We had something like 80% + of the world's industrial capacity not geared towards military production. You could make major cuts to defense and it would reduce the debt. Not happening now.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:26 PM (2Rwdk)

137 Conservatives and other non-Lefties that live in blue States pay local taxes. These local taxes help create the illusion that all is well.

Move to a red State. Deny the blue State the fruits of your labor.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:26 PM (sRus3)

138 Based on personal experience, you might want to think again about the B-schools.

Posted by: A. at November 17, 2012 01:27 PM (Wn5aN)

139 We live in the age of memes.

Republicans hate black people.
Republicans hate the poor.
Repubicans hate women.
Republicans hate gays.
Republicans hate Muslims.

crap like that.

We have to push back against their memes and advance our own.

Environmentalists hate people.
Democrats hate white people.
PETA hates people.
Democrats hate guns.
Democrats hate gun-owners.
Democrats want us to be poor.
Democrats hate energy.
Democrats hate cheap energy.
Democrats hate Christians.
Democrats hate Catholics.

Simple things. Simple statements.

They have smeared us for 50+ years. We have to smear them back.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 17, 2012 01:27 PM (ZPrif)

140 Do you notice that Romney, a social issues RINO has to answerfor Akin but Obama, who is an actual Marxist (how dare you say so!) never has to answerfor actual Marxists in his party?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 01:28 PM (xSegX)

141 95 --".....we keep trying to enlighten them during the heat of a presidential campaign. Meanwhile, the Left works tirelessly BETWEEN campaigns. The issues need to be framed before presidential elections.....We have to stop simply selling candidates, and start selling ideas."
Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:03 PM (9G+G5)

THIS. THIS. THIS.
We need to be preaching the gospel and building missions on the ground, all the time.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2012 01:28 PM (C8mVl)

142
They knew what Todd Akin was, and that if he was asked a rape question that he'd be dumb enough to answer it

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:25 PM (wwsoB)


Absolutely. If one were to extrapolate that, the same could be said for Romney. Smart as hell with what he knows, but what he knows aint hard ball politics.

It's clear to me Romney was selected by the MFM. It wasn't what they did for him, it's what they didn't do to him, at least until he was the nominee.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 01:28 PM (3Y7RV)

143 My b-school had classes on being eco-friendly and how "diversity" was the #1 most important thing when hiring.

I got in trouble in class when I suggested that, you know, maybe "skill" and "talent" should be more important than "diversity".

The accounting prof spent an entire class on "educating" us on how oppressed her particular ethnic group was. Had nothing to do with accounting. Nothing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 17, 2012 01:30 PM (ZPrif)

144 Obama, who supports partial birth abortion, never has had to answer a question about partial birth abortion -- which the vast majority of Americans oppose. But Romney gets tarred with Akin. Obama doesn't get tarred with his own past statements.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 17, 2012 01:31 PM (ZPrif)

145
Yep. It was the electorate that voted Roosevelt in that brought us the initial entitlement wave. Very few of the Greatest were of voting age.

That generation was the one who was enamored with fascism and were the first progressives.

Also, eugenics.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 01:31 PM (xSegX)

146 This thread is working.Thanks Miss Laura. Right questions and good answers.

Posted by: Mountains Landbarons and Serfs at November 17, 2012 01:31 PM (frxVF)

147 Here is a concrete propaganda act you can do.

Find a picture of Jon Stewart.

Caption it with his income and the fact he buys very expensive real estate through trusts so he does not have to pay high taxes.

Print hundreds of copies and spread them everywhere.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:31 PM (sRus3)

148 143 My b-school had classes on being eco-friendly and how "diversity" was the #1 most important thing when hiring.

I got in trouble in class when I suggested that, you know, maybe "skill" and "talent" should be more important than "diversity".

The accounting prof spent an entire class on "educating" us on how oppressed her particular ethnic group was. Had nothing to do with accounting. Nothing.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 17, 2012 01:30 PM (ZPrif)

That was every class I took at UNCW to get a teaching cert.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 17, 2012 01:32 PM (3Y7RV)

149 If you wanna fix the problem then advocate for a federal income tax for private school. This opens the market, applies market pressures to the public school monopoly, and gives people a choice. After time, people will begin to see that this liberal dominated public education model does not work.

Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 17, 2012 01:33 PM (H7qBA)

150 her particular ethnic group was. Had nothing to do with accounting. Nothing.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 17, 2012 01:30 PM (ZPrif)

My Econ prof was really into five year plans. Oh, and the only reason africans are starving is evil white europeans once grew bananas there and depleted the soil. I asked if he thought blacks were too stupid to understand fertilizer. He flunked me.

Posted by: Beautiful Loser at November 17, 2012 01:33 PM (OQpzc)

151 Americans have a long standing national narrative of rebellion, resistance to tyranny, freedom, etc, that can only be co-opted by liberals just so far. So long as enough aspects of traditional American culture survive when the crash occurs, and our side is sufficiently focused and mobilized to deal with the aftermath, we may yet see a great American revival. If not, we'll crumble slowly, like Europe, and be absorbed by the next culture to stroll past us.

How we focus and mobilize now will greatly impact our odds for weathering what comes next.
Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 17



Good post BTW,....but does that instilled feeling still run deep? If you look at these immigrants now, the slaves on the Democrat plantation and the utterly useless metrosexual drones; they have no spirit of rebellion other than wandering the streets looking for fReEShiT!!!

And they are being replaced with more indoctrinated fleshbags every day. The only hope, dim though it probably is, is serious, sudden pain.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:34 PM (2Rwdk)

152 Fight Tyranny. Resist Obama.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 17, 2012 01:35 PM (ZPrif)

153 This is not as crazy as it sounds. Obastard's regime could just begin printing money directly without the Fed's cooperation.

http://is.gd/9qa6XH

The gubmint has done this before, several times during the Civil War and as late as 1963. They are called United States Notes.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at November 17, 2012 01:36 PM (Lxw+T)

154 "This Saturday, the Midwest Marxist Conference was held at Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism. The event was teeming with teachers who spoke about the new found bond between the radical socialists and their Teachers Union. The all-day event, which collected money to support Chicago Socialists and featured a communist bookstore, provided students on-campus along with the radical left community to plan the next phase in their activism."

At the School of Journalism? Oooooooooh. So that explains it.

Posted by: OldHardHead at November 17, 2012 01:37 PM (nkBm0)

155 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:26 PM (2Rwdk)

The Left has proven us right on culture time and time again. Remember how often they mocked the time Ed Sullivan would only show Elvis from the hips up on his show, because it was deemed too tawdry? Sure, seems silly. I mean, it's just a grown man shaking his hips.

Now, we can turn on TV and watch teenage girls shake their ass for the fun and profit of gray-ponytailed record execs. That Ed Sullivan sure was weird, wasn't he.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:38 PM (9G+G5)

156 Find a picture of a Democrat icon living large.

Caption it with a his/her name and a remark that sends a clear message.

Like "Champion of the People" or "Does your house look like this?"

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:38 PM (sRus3)

157
I asked if he thought blacks were too stupid to understand fertilizer. He flunked me.

Sounds like you ita little too close to home.

These "progressives" are the biggest racists you'll find.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 01:38 PM (xSegX)

158 149 If you wanna fix the problem then advocate for a federal income tax for private school. This opens the market, applies market pressures to the public school monopoly, and gives people a choice. After time, people will begin to see that this liberal dominated public education model does not work.
Posted by: Al From Bay Shore at November 17, 2012 01:33 PM (H7qBA)


Won't work. What you advocate turns the private schools into public schools and the cycle repeats. When they take the federal dollar, here comes the Unions, here come the Marxist teachers, you're under the wing of the Dept of Indoctrina- er Education.

Back to square one.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:39 PM (2Rwdk)

159 147
Here is a concrete propaganda act you can do.



Find a picture of Jon Stewart.



Caption it with his income and the fact he buys very expensive real estate through trusts so he does not have to pay high taxes.



Print hundreds of copies and spread them everywhere.





Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:31 PM

Jon Stewart is rich because he's so funny and talented! He deserves what he makes, and what business is it of YOURS how much he makes!!!!!!!

Posted by: Lefty pounding a square peg into a round hole at November 17, 2012 01:39 PM (wwsoB)

160
This Saturday, the Midwest Marxist Conference

And how is it that "progressives" are still worshiping this guy who died, what, 150 years ago?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 01:40 PM (xSegX)

161 This post illustrates how utterly clueless most conservatives are to the real state of affairs. In government, even local,, and in business schools.

Pat Buchanan was right. Its a WAR, not a polite disagreement.

What the libs have counted on is conservative squishes being too nice and polite to fight back.

There is only one way you win a culture war. The institutions and structures if society must be seized and used as weapons to persecute and destroy the opposition.

Until squishes realize that there us no compromise, ever, with your enemy, we will remain losers.

Let me be clear, this means things line: seizing your local planning commission and city council. Identifying all local businesses that are liberal, or supporters of liberals, or donors of liberals, and using all the powers of government and policy to bankrupt them. All city contracts going only to conservatives. Termination of all jobs held by liberals and giving them to conservatives.

Your enemy has children? The school board must be seized, and pressure applied to teachers to ensure their children fail classes.

Are you fucking morons finally starting to get the point? We share a country with them, but they are the enemy. Until conservatives stop playing nice, we will lose.

One side, their side, is fighting. Our side is trying to get along to get along. Tolerance of evil is not a virtue.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 01:41 PM (ven16)

162 We should have a weekly lib-bashing image meme contest.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 17, 2012 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

163 Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:38 PM (sRus3)


The photo campaign should work really well against almost all Dem politicians, like John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd (yes I know he is out of there, but he deserves special mention), Bill Clinton, etc.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 17, 2012 01:41 PM (Cnqmv)

164 156
Find a picture of a Democrat icon living large.



Caption it with a his/her name and a remark that sends a clear message.



Like "Champion of the People" or "Does your house look like this?"

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:38 PM

Bruce and Kanye are playing for FREE to help the Sandy victims. What are YOU doing for those poor homeless victims, you HATER !!!!

Posted by: Lefty pounding a square peg into a round hole at November 17, 2012 01:41 PM (wwsoB)

165 Start a political union.

Not a party, a union.

You organize and petition for recognition as an a legal and economic entity.

You go on strike.

You demand rights.

Turn their own methods back on them.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:41 PM (sRus3)

166 These "progressives" are the biggest racists you'll find.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 01:38 PM (xSegX)

The hell of it was this was at CSU- Fresno. They have strong Ag dept. I couldn't believe most of the wide eyed students just uncritically soaked that crap up. I guess I benefitted from doing six years in the USN before doing the college thing.

Posted by: Beautiful Loser at November 17, 2012 01:42 PM (OQpzc)

167
Chris Dodd (yes I know he is out of there, but he deserves special mention),

I believe he's head of the RIAA.

As for me, I'm a mathematician and I'm really having a hard time not advocating for the elimination of intellectual property rights.

My profession has been giving it away for free for 5000 years and I'm not sure how the Disney corporation gets to hold the rights to a property created by a manlong dead.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 01:45 PM (xSegX)

168 155 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:26 PM (2Rwdk)

The Left has proven us right on culture time and time again. Remember how often they mocked the time Ed Sullivan would only show Elvis from the hips up on his show, because it was deemed too tawdry? Sure, seems silly. I mean, it's just a grown man shaking his hips.

Now, we can turn on TV and watch teenage girls shake their ass for the fun and profit of gray-ponytailed record execs. That Ed Sullivan sure was weird, wasn't he.
Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:38 PM (9G+G5)



Sure they do and no one cares. The droning idiots do not draw the right conclusions, the leftist elite goes right on poo-pooing responsible behavior and sound decision making and the masses of idiots cheer the onset of MoARFrEEsHiT!!!!

We get 20 converts mugged by reality, they pump 2000 out of the indoctrination facilities. If they fall short of their quota, they just ship them in from the Socialist loving Hispanic/Latin countries.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:45 PM (2Rwdk)

169 The photo campaign should work really well against almost all Dem politicians, like John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd (yes I know he is out of there, but he deserves special mention), Bill Clinton, etc.
Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 17, 2012 01:41 PM (Cnqmv)

I am going to buy a printer and follow my own advice.

I am going to start a website with the same theme.

The site will contain no posts, no yakking, just images and videos with brief captions and notes.

That's it. Post them and spread them everywhere by whatever means available.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:45 PM (sRus3)

170 I guess I benefitted from doing six years in the USN before doing the college thing.

Posted by: Beautiful Loser at November 17, 2012 01:42 PM (OQpzc)


That kind of real world experience has screwed up many college students that should have been easy to herd!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 17, 2012 01:45 PM (Cnqmv)

171 Hardship breeds character.

Barack Obama and his commie cabal may be exactly what these younger generations need get this country back on the right track.

That, or a world war.

Posted by: Fritz at November 17, 2012 01:47 PM (mqdAz)

172 My profession has been giving it away for free for 5000 years and I'm not sure how the Disney corporation gets to hold the rights to a property created by a manlong dead.

Oddly you can watch "Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land" online for free.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at November 17, 2012 01:48 PM (Lxw+T)

173 Eman, the catch is that the pop culture nation worships celebrities. Celebrities are on their TV in the living room, so it's like they're part of the family.

People worship celebrities because they always carry the illusion that the celebrities love them back.

Obama is a celebrity. 81 percent of the voters believe that "Obama cares about people like me"

Let me let you in on a little secret, TV Nation. Your favorite celebrity privately has nothing but contempt for you. Your favorite celebrity is surrounded by an army of sycophants who tell him or her how awesome they are. You're the scum who they hate because they have to pretend to like you in order to keep the gravy train fueled.

Celebrities detest tabloids and papparazi and TMZ. Why? Because it shows them in a way that's different from the publicity machines that keep their facades standing. They hate them even more because they need the publicity and buzz that keeps their names on the tongues of TV Nation shoppers at the checkout lines

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:49 PM (wwsoB)

174 The hell of it was this was at CSU- Fresno. They have strong Ag dept. I couldn't believe most of the wide eyed students just uncritically soaked that crap up. I guess I benefitted from doing six years in the USN before doing the college thing.
Posted by: Beautiful Loser at November 17, 2012 01:42 PM (OQpzc)


As did I. I was mugged by reality loooong before the leftist had any chance.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:49 PM (2Rwdk)

175 My profession has been giving it away for free for
5000 years and I'm not sure how the Disney corporation gets to hold the
rights to a property created by a manlong dead.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 01:45 PM (xSegX)

Someone once said the current length of copyright protection is what ever it takes to keep Mickey Mouse from becoming public property!
I think an inventor should have some rights to profit from his invention for a period of time, but then it should become publicly available. I too have a problem with unbounded intellectual property rights. The claim that a rectangle with rounded corners is a cornerstone of intellectual achievement and worthy of legal protection is absurd.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 17, 2012 01:51 PM (Cnqmv)

176
I am going to buy a printer and follow my own advice.



I am going to start a website with the same theme.



The site will contain no posts, no yakking, just images and videos with brief captions and notes.



That's it. Post them and spread them everywhere by whatever means available.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:45 PM

Blogspot and Wordpress are free. If you do it and link your site to your nic, I'll promote it to others.


Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:51 PM (wwsoB)

177 Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:49 PM (wwsoB)

I know all that. That is exactly what I aim to fight. I don't own a TV network. I can only fight with what I have at hand.

Plant the seeds of doubt and discord. Sour their feelings and loyalties.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:52 PM (sRus3)

178 Blogspot and Wordpress are free. If you do it and link your site to your nic, I'll promote it to others.


Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:51 PM (wwsoB)

I would love to call it Sonmi-451.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2012 01:53 PM (sRus3)

179 Sure they do and no one cares.

Care? How many average Americans KNOW what the Left's scorecard on cultural issues is? Few. Because folks like us prattle on an on about Washington, and elections and sequestration and tax code and...

The Left must wake up every morning amazed to find that no one has yet called them on their utterly disasterous cultural record.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 01:54 PM (9G+G5)

180 Look. Chicagoans could vote out corruption anytime they liked. They don't and haven't for decades. Voting majorities want corruption because they think the corruption will enrich them. Just because envy and institutionalized theft seldom reward the little guy doesn't mean they're not still seductive.

We are all Chicagoans now.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at November 17, 2012 01:54 PM (Lxw+T)

181 I give out Ayn Rand books to my students. Get em free at the Ayn Rand institute. Drives my leftist colleagues crazy.

Posted by: DeusExMachina at November 17, 2012 01:54 PM (6RTwM)

182 They've been at this for fifty years. Our ace in the hole is that their
ideas do not work outside academia, as most people learn- including
former radicals- when they get out into the job force.

*****

I am reminded of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=YlVDGmjz7eM

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 17, 2012 01:54 PM (piMMO)

183 I've been giving serious thought to going back to school to go into teaching as a small way to fight this shit. But I fucking hate every teacher I know with a purple passion. They're dumb, uninformed and wildly opinionated about that which they have no knowledge. How am I supposed to work with assholes I want to punch in the throat?

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, sunbathing on the shores of a nightmare at November 17, 2012 01:56 PM (YOZSv)

184 Celebs hate Twitchy with a passion

Why?

Because they suddenly discover that what they impulsively thought was brilliance and wit comes across as galactically stupid in the real world, and they didn't delete in time

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 01:57 PM (wwsoB)

185 182 They've been at this for fifty years. Our ace in the hole is that their
ideas do not work outside academia,
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 17, 2012 01:54 PM (piMMO)


Yep.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:58 PM (2Rwdk)

186 Here is a simple question that provides everyone with the answers they need about the future if our country:

Are you willing to use the institutions of society to ruin those people who are attempting to ruin you?

If not, you've already lost.

There was a time in America where the law and the institutions of society were used to destroy enemies of freedom and those who advocated for unChristian morality. Now those same tools are being used to destroy freedom and Christian morality, and it's called "neutral."

Example: We used to imprison people for selling condoms. Now we put them in charge of our children.

Maybe, just maybe, we should look at what the people who won us freedom, and preserved our freedom did to achieve such things.

Among these is an abolition of the central bank and a return to the gold standard. Why? Let me tell you. Welfare has 0 support when it is understood as the forced redistribution of gold to those unwilling to work.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 01:59 PM (r4GuR)

187 183 I've been giving serious thought to going back to school to go into teaching as a small way to fight this shit. But I fucking hate every teacher I know with a purple passion. They're dumb, uninformed and wildly opinionated about that which they have no knowledge. How am I supposed to work with assholes I want to punch in the throat?
Posted by: Ms Choksondik, sunbathing on the shores of a nightmare at November 17, 2012 01:56 PM (YOZSv)


I applaud that. I would want to do the same thing. I would be in jail after a semester or two.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 02:00 PM (2Rwdk)

188 Your enemy has children? The school board must be seized, and pressure applied to teachers to ensure their children fail classes.

Are you fucking serious? Is this how you imagine the Left took the lead in the culture war? It's not. It might be comforting to think so, but it's fantasy. You win the culture war by, first, fucking engaging in it.

And as a guy who had to fight his way onto my local school board, I can tell you it takes all the work in the world to scrounge together enough savings to pay for the teacher union largesse and keep the lights on. No time for fantasy shit.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:02 PM (9G+G5)

189
Voting majorities want corruption because they think the corruption will enrich them.

I'm reminded of those Obama frescos. They basically implied that if Obama (or others) were successful, that would "trickle down" to everybody else.

This philosophy is ingrained in identity politics and if you think about it for 5 minutes, you realize what a scam the whole thing is, just to enrich a select few like, say Jesse Jackson, Jr.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 02:02 PM (xSegX)

190 Don't just let it burn, help them burn it. Sign up for every benefit you can. Cloward and Piven. Or think of it as letting them pay you to go Galt.

Posted by: Cato at November 17, 2012 02:03 PM (9DB70)

191 But I fucking hate every teacher I know with a purple passion.

Where the hell do you live? That might be the problem.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:04 PM (9G+G5)

192 But I fucking hate every teacher I know with a purple passion. They're dumb, uninformed and wildly opinionated about that which they have no knowledge.

-----------------

Of course they are. They are hired because the children "identify" with them, you see.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 02:04 PM (2KBjW)

193 188,

You obviously haven't been paying attention to what has been going on in the culture wars, have you?

Sure is nice to pretend that the left plays fair and has morality, isn't it?

You are deluding yourself if you think leftists haven't been doing this and more for 50 years. War isn't pretty. Wake up.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:06 PM (r4GuR)

194
Celebs hate Twitchy with a passion

I thought Twitchy was an unsustainable idea but it has impressed me.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2012 02:07 PM (xSegX)

195 I do feel compelled to note that not every teacher I know is like that...but I hate what seems to be problem in my sister's school. The teachers who are popular with their students are automatically "good" teachers. Um, no. Being liked by 15-year-olds is not an indicator of good cuisine, fashion, music or teaching.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 02:07 PM (2KBjW)

196 Conservative teachers is something we needed 20-30 years ago. I fear the damage already done may be insurmountable. Still, go for it if you can. We need to fight them in the halls of academia too. If you have degrees and can't find work, teach!

Posted by: Cato at November 17, 2012 02:08 PM (9DB70)

197 the economic trickle down theory is passe' ? Conservatives never want to accept responsiblity they would much rather blame the left for any/every thing. The left took over acadamia. Well maybe the right just abandonded it and nature hates a vacuum. Instead of bitching about schools quit your job and start teaching at 40 grand a year. Put up with 25 kids and see how well you do. and stop with its all THEIR fault.

Posted by: occam at November 17, 2012 02:09 PM (hgDJr)

198 I'll use William Shatner as an example;

He's funny, and his public shtick is to make fun of his own huge ego

Privately, his ego is still huge, and he's known to be a huge dick. His "GET A LIFE" skit on SNL was a case of art imitating life


Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2012 02:10 PM (wwsoB)

199 Where the hell do you live? That might be the problem.
Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:04 PM (9G+G5)

Raleigh, NC

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, sunbathing on the shores of a nightmare at November 17, 2012 02:10 PM (YOZSv)

200 Sure is nice to pretend that the left plays fair and has morality, isn't it?

You are deluding yourself if you think leftists haven't been doing this and more for 50 years. War isn't pretty. Wake up.
Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:06 PM (r4GuR)

----------

Eh, I'm with CJ here. Just because they don't have morality in some arenas doesn't mean that conservatives should give up their morality, here. And for the most part, I don't think that people are consciously failing the children of conservatives just because they wanna play war. They have a stupid, unexamined set of beliefs, and so they should be forced to examine their beliefs, and encouraged to change them. What good would it do to make it actually true that lefties are being held down by conservatives, especially white straight male conservatives?

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 02:11 PM (2KBjW)

201 188,

How about public releasing all the files of teachers in your district who have sexually abused kids?

It's war. Ruin their union. Scorch the earth if necessary.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:14 PM (r4GuR)

202 You obviously haven't been paying attention to what has been going on in the culture wars, have you?

Actually, yes I have. One of the few conservatives to do so. I don't know you, so I can't say that I know more about the culture wars than you do, But...I know more about the culture wars than you do.

The only thing you got right was the passion necessary to fight it. Everything else is factually wrong Internet tough guy blather that no one will attempt and if they did will assuredly make our task more difficult with 0 percent chance of success.

The Left altered culture legally and openly, by appealing to the liberal urges imbedded in everyone. Liberalism is natural. Conservatism is not. It takes restraint. It's hard. It's easy to get people to turn away from it in favor of big government and wealth distribution and nonjudgmental approaches to nontraditional lifestyle choices. The Left has been winning this war because they are the only side engaging in it.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:15 PM (9G+G5)

203 How about public releasing all the files of teachers in your district who have sexually abused kids?

It's war. Ruin their union. Scorch the earth if necessary.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:14 PM (r4GuR)

------------

See, this makes sense because it actually is the right thing to do, while targeting children of leftists is not. This should be done regardless of politics.

(insert union leader's name here) sides with pedophiles and other sexual predators. Spread the word.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 02:17 PM (2KBjW)

204 How about public releasing all the files of teachers in your district who have sexually abused kids? It's war. Ruin their union. Scorch the earth if necessary.

Uh, no files exist. If we knew about such abuse, the teacher would be gone. Folks frown on such behavior.

Scott Walker neutered unions without this nonsense. Can we try a sane approach first?

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:17 PM (9G+G5)

205 It starts at home.
I home-schooled all 4 of my kids during their middle-school years. I didn't teach them conservative politics. I taught them logic. Whether it's geometric proofs, Venn diagrams, matrix problems, informal fallacies, the book "How to Lie with Statistics," or whatever, kids of that age love that stuff.

When they come home from leftist-indoctrination camp (aka college,) they know damned well I'll demand clarity and rational thought. If they want to spout leftist dogma, fine, but if they can't defend it, I'm going to ask them why they are putting forward propositions that they could have torn to shreds at age 12.

I'll also ask them if they have read what Aristotle, Cicero, Augustine, Aquinas, Burke, Tocqueville, Smith, the Founders, etc., etc., have to say about the subject.

Then I'll ask them what the hell is this "education" that I am supposed to be paying for. GET A JOB!!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2012 02:20 PM (C8mVl)

206 I work at a college, the amount of sick bastards and bitches is incredible. I heard a woman say one day that we have to stop teaching "young people of color" White middle class values. When she saw me out of the corner of her eye she slithered away like the weasel that she is. I looked up her salary on the ICCB website and found out she "earns" $146,000 per year. With 30+ years she will be eligible to 80% pension for life. It's a racket for these morons and they must keep our young people stupid just to vote Dem and keep funding it. I say let everyone's taxes go up and let sequestration go thru. It would make me jump for joy that these "educators" and retirees would get socked hard to fund their own ripoff.

Posted by: Hey_Ange at November 17, 2012 02:21 PM (O6Na9)

207 Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 02:11 PM (2KBjW)

Am I the only person around here who knows a real live liberal?

Does everyone really believe they are less likely to be moral, as individuals, than a conservative? Focus on their ideas. That's our target. The more you portray them as monsters, the more you lose focus. It's comforting to think that only monsters could advocate left-wing ideology, but it's not true.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:22 PM (9G+G5)

208

Chris Christie is a real beaut. A real conservative.

He taught the kids a lesson: When you get into trouble, get on your knees and grovel to your rich Uncle Federal Government.

Posted by: soothie at November 17, 2012 02:25 PM (kvcfI)

209 I work at a college, the amount of sick bastards and bitches is incredible. I heard a woman say one day that we have to stop teaching "young people of color" White middle class values.

Obama's former church includes in its Mission Statement, just that: rejection of "middle classness." He spent 20 years in that church. I remember posting it here (it is on the church's web site) and no one seemed to think it was of interest. (We pass on talking points the Left would never pass on.)
Now you suggest it's amore widely held belief than from just one church. Perhaps we should draw attention to this, especially as "the middle class" seems to be a popular campaign target.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:25 PM (9G+G5)

210 183--- "I've been giving serious thought to going back to school to go into teaching as a small way to fight this shit. But I fucking hate every teacher I know with a purple passion. They're dumb, uninformed and wildly opinionated about that which they have no knowledge. How am I supposed to work with assholes I want to punch in the throat?"
Posted by: Ms Choksondik, sunbathing on the shores of a nightmare at November 17, 2012 01:56 PM (YOZSv)

Consider teaching in a private school. You won't make good money but you won't go crazy. Also, you will have more leeway to support conservatism.
You won't just be preaching to the choir, BTW. Many students at, say, Catholic or Evangelical schools are mush-heads or soft lefties.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2012 02:27 PM (C8mVl)

211 CJ,

Do some digging on the rates of public school teacher sexual abuse, and the staggering multi-decade coverup.

You are deluding yourself. What you are mistaken in us this: that you have any idea what is really occurring, and that the left is not the enemy.

Best numbers are that 10% of students are sexually harassed by teachers yearly. The NEA is pro-sodomy. Take a peak at what European socialized had to say about child sex in the post-war era.

Maybe your district is magic and special, and only 1 in 20 children are being sexually abused each year by teachers. Yet you've heard of none of it.

Still think you know what's going on with the culture wars?

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:27 PM (3ryAQ)

212 CJ, of course I don't think liberals are more likely to molest children than conservatives---hence, why I said "this should be done regardless of politics". I do think that having the backing of powerful entity like a big union (or even the Catholic Church some time ago, even though I am a Catholic) makes one more likely to get away with all sorts of crimes.

Any unions that *are* protecting teachers who acted inappropriately, in any way, should be exposed. If we ever achieve the sea-change that we'd like, and conservatives dominate that area, that should still hold true.

*I know that the Church doesn't have the same sort of power, or as much, as it did when child molestation and coverup of same was a bigger problem, and that in that time, child molestation was not as well-understood as it is now, but the fact remains that some people within the Church used their status to hid abuse.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 02:28 PM (2KBjW)

213 CJ, I too was hoping the Bid Education site went up on Breitbart, but it never did. I have binders full of info for them.

Posted by: Hey_Ange at November 17, 2012 02:29 PM (O6Na9)

214 Chris Christie is a real beaut. A real conservative.



He taught the kids a lesson: When you get into trouble, get on your knees and grovel to your rich Uncle Federal Government.


*****

Worship Cry at the alter of of has-been rockstars.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 17, 2012 02:29 PM (piMMO)

215 I wonder what would happen if a parent just sat in on some classes? Or if one of the kids filmed a class?

Posted by: vivi at November 17, 2012 02:30 PM (uGAD+)

216 I wonder what would happen if a parent just sat in on some classes? Or if one of the kids filmed a class?


*****

It's been known to happen.

Bully teachers

Obama choirs

Suppression of speech

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 17, 2012 02:32 PM (piMMO)

217 I wonder what would happen if a parent just sat in on some classes? Or if one of the kids filmed a class?

Posted by: vivi at November 17, 2012 02:30 PM (uGAD+)

----------------

Nothing, if there's not a practical option for switching schools. The problem with public schools isn't that they have liberal teachers (to the extent that they do, which varies) but that they have a monopoly.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 02:33 PM (2KBjW)

218 213 CJ, I too was hoping the Bid Education site went up on Breitbart, but it never did. I have binders full of info for them.
Posted by: Hey_Ange at November 17, 2012 02:29 PM (O6Na9)

Send it to John Nolte or one of the other editors.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, sunbathing on the shores of a nightmare at November 17, 2012 02:34 PM (YOZSv)

219 Still think you know what's going on with the culture wars?

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:27 PM (3ryAQ)

First, you've got to be kidding me if you think that the culture war has anything to do with child molestation.

Second, there IS NO FILE of currently employed teachers who knowingly abused children. That's reality

If you know of a school district with such files, report them. If you want to help fight the Left, get real.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:35 PM (9G+G5)

220
... does that instilled feeling still run deep? If you look at these immigrants now, the slaves on the Democrat plantation and the utterly useless metrosexual drones; they have no spirit of rebellion other than wandering the streets looking for fReEShiT!!!

And they are being replaced with more indoctrinated fleshbags every day. The only hope, dim though it probably is, is serious, sudden pain.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 17, 2012 01:34 PM (2Rwdk)

Crashes, like bankruptcy, morbid obesity or the fall of the Soviet Union, can come in two ways. Gradually, then suddenly. In other words, the sudden, serious pain tends to show up after a lot of unheeded warning.

We're living in an age of much unheeded warning.

Beyond that, I'm reminded a conversation I had along these lines with a colleague on the sandbox-circuit, along these lines:

"Ask me what drives a young soldier or grizzled NCO into volunteering from one shithole to the next, for years on end, and I'll tell you. Ask me what motivates an Iraqi militiaman or Afghan tribesman to fight the most powerful military in the world with secondhand Soviet junk, for years on end, and I'll tell you. Ask me what will mobilize a group of coddled, aggrieved American progressives to go back for seconds after getting into a firefight, and I'll shake my head. If they had that component, they likely wouldn't be progressives."

Assuming when SHTF that we get a similar 1/3 pro-liberty, 1/3 neutral, 1/3 against breakdown that we saw in the American Revolution ... I'd hate to see the results, but I’d take those odds gladly.

In the more likely and desirable event that things can be turned around peacefully, then the future will rely on framing the issue socially, culturally and morally before the crash hits. The alternative institutions. The insurgent Brietbarts. The Alinsky-style networks. We're just now starting to mobilize, and I think this last election may have been the shock a lot of people on our side needed to see what lies ahead.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 17, 2012 02:37 PM (27tUc)

221 Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 17, 2012 02:28 PM (2KBjW)

Jenny, I really think we're giving teachers WAY too much credit and blame here. Trust me, in 2012 no school district could employ a known child molester, union or no union. It's not that I trust unions, it's just that it could not be done. No reason for a district to do it.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:38 PM (9G+G5)

222 Jenny, I know about the church and abuse. I was raised Catholic in Philadelphia, and I read the grand jury report on the coverup there, decades long. Read every page. Words cannot express my disgust and shock. I defended the church for so long against liberal attacks. That was the end for me.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:40 PM (9G+G5)

223 CJ,

Marx, the Frankfurt school, Gramschi, and community's in general have always advocated for the hyper sexualization of our society and especially of children so as to overthrow Christian morality.

If it's a fight about ideas, as you claim, you appear 100% ignorant of the content of the enemies ideas or their articulated and published endgame.

If you want to fight the left, you need to know what their stated goals are. It's what they've written down for 140 years. Remember Brave New World? How it included scenes of child fornication? That's because it's been a stated goal of the intellectual founders of leftism from day 1.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:41 PM (H1od7)

224
Actually, Laura, they've been at this since at least The Progressive Era.
Christian socialists were instrumental in starting the now infamous 'long march' through our American institutions and culture.
iow, they've been at this - in America - for about a hundred and fifty years, give or take a bit.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 17, 2012 02:43 PM (WwR1j)

225 Hopeless,

If you think the stated goal of the Left in 2012is child sex - or that such a twisted goal is closer to become reality than other goals such as irreversible government growth, open borders, etc. - then we just disagree.

Posted by: CJ at November 17, 2012 02:43 PM (9G+G5)

226 CJ,

So in other words, you haven't actually done any reading on the child sex epidemic in public schools. And you aren't actually aware if the history of leftist thought and writings.

You are convinced there are no files because you haven't seen them, and good people in our era just wouldn't let the predators into the club?

Get with it. The leftists are not good people.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:45 PM (NKWFJ)

227 "We have to find ways to encourage entrepreneurship and business education at the grassroots level."

Forget public education: the only solution is promoting school choice and starving the beast. Our local h.s. is now teaching critical theory in English AP lit class to fill the kids with patriarchy-hate early. *sigh*

The obvious place to start is to have people like AEI or Heritage start summer programs or after school programs for kids. Parents are desperately in need of babysitting during school holidays, and you could slip in the truth there.

Stop sitting around like W. F. Buckley exchanging bon mots with other eggheads and engage!

Posted by: PJ at November 17, 2012 02:49 PM (ZWaLo)

228 I truly don't think the culture was "pushed." I have very specific beliefs that greatly impact on this topic, but I will try to avoid that here.

To me, it appears that this "we were pushed" or "the teachers did it" or "a small minority of leftists have corrupted our culture over time" is a conspiracy theory writ, not so much large, but "broad." It is the idea that "if only it weren't for those dastardly X, everything would be fine!" The simple fact of the matter is that you're putting the cart before the horse.

Actually, that's not accurate either. The horse would be the culture, and the politics is merely the manifestation of the cultural rot - but how did the culture rot? Was it a conspiracy (not in the formal sense of people getting together in back rooms, twirling little black mustaches and smoking cigars as they figure out a way to crush their enemies - instead, in a non-formal, ideological lock-step fashion. Because they all believe the same thing, they tend to act the same way, giving the *appearance* of conspiracy where there really isn't one)? Or was it the inevitable result of cultural rot that started LONG before?

I think it is the latter. A small minority of people holding onto an ideology that we assume, in this "we were pushed" scenario, the "rest of us" abhor couldn't get a foothold on a culture that was predominantly the product of "the rest of us." Not even gradually. This can only happen if "the rest of us" fail in some way. Either we didn't teach our children well enough and "they" were able to "poison" them in the school systems, or "the rest of us" failed in pop culture by being more concerned about what we liked instead of what was right and consumed pop culture products (music, movies, tv, what-have-you), or . . . whatever. Without PRE-EXISTING cultural weakness, "they" could never have gotten in, so to speak.

I guess one analogy is "if you hadn't stopped brushing your teeth when you decided to start eating sugar by the spoonful, you wouldn't have gottenthose cavities." So, in the end, it wasn't "they." It was "the rest of us."

I mean, that is, if you try to keep this on a secular historical level. Which I don't think is realistic.

the sinner,

Patrick

Posted by: Patriack at November 17, 2012 02:49 PM (Qi6dG)

229 CJ,

Do a bit if reading on the history of the left in regards to it's stated intent to destroy Christian morality. Especially important is German/European socialist policies and attempts to legalize child sex, esp. after WW2.

You're going to be shocked. They, and their ideas and aims, are evil and deceptive.

If you decide to do a bit of digging in your own district, just be careful. No files at all, eh? Gosh, must mean no coverup, since there are no files.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 17, 2012 02:52 PM (ven16)

230 That's tbe thing cj... Even the Church isnt immune to developing pockets of corruption that keep abusers from becoming "known abusers" so I imagine the situation is roughly the same with teachers, school systems and unions. But yeah that really is a tangent. I should not have congratulated the blind squirrel when he found a nut i guess

Posted by: Jenny tries too hard at November 17, 2012 02:59 PM (2oFSo)

231
Good article, though the idea that conservative states have less radical universities than others is groundlessly optimistic. The other thing we need is a way to market real liberal arts education, the kind where people learn to write coherently and read classic books and appreciate western civilization. That kind of education isn't so bad for making a living -- there's usually a market for people who can think and write -- and it's very important for citizenship, as all the Founders believed. Maybe offer online non-degree certificate programs or some variation on the Great Courses idea. In the Old West, the most popular clean entertainment was traveling Shakespeare companies -- Jim Bridger once traded a yoke of cattle, about a month's wages, for a volume of Shakespear. Then he hired a boy for forty dollars a month to read it to him. "Ordinary" people can, dammit, learn to appreciate the good stuff. It's our K-12 education disaster that hold them back.

Posted by: OldWhig at November 17, 2012 03:01 PM (8nop5)

232 Sorry. No.

We need to let it burn.

It's going to burn anyways. The sooner, the better.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at November 17, 2012 03:09 PM (dM1NM)

233 Boil their frog, before they finish boiling ours:

http://tinyurl.com/ay2vaup

Posted by: Virgil at November 17, 2012 04:04 PM (sZTYJ)

234 Old Whig - that's the whole problem. What do you think got us here in the first place? Trying to re-set the clock will, at best, just delay the inevitable. What we are going through is going to happen, whether we go through it or our descendents. Of course, there is also the fact that evil maniacs can enjoy Shakespeare just as much as a normal person. "Classics" won't "save" us. That was what the West was built on - and look where we are now!

the sinner,

Patrick

Posted by: Patriack at November 17, 2012 04:07 PM (Qi6dG)

235
The problem is that it is a long term game they are playing. When Bill Ayres put away his bombs back in the 60's, he went into 'education' and the left has taken over total control of public education from kindergarten through grad school.In order to undo the damage it is going to take at least as long a time. It cannot be done on a national scale, but governors in some red states have to take the bull by thehorn and purge the progressives from power in education. The lefts reaction will make the Scott Walker recall stuff look like kids play, so if you don't have enough hair on your ass it is probably best not to start.

By the way, I think a lot of people went to sleep on the education thing because we say "the facts of life are conservative". In other words,once people get out of school and into the work force they will become conservative by experience. I don't think that holds water anymore. The nanny state has prolonged childhood for so many people that by the time they get out of school in their early 30's they are just accustomed to getting everything 'free' and letting other people do their thinking for them.

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 17, 2012 04:21 PM (S4N/h)

236 Not parallel. No way should we surrender colleges to them.

We need to purge these monkeys from academia.

Put conservatives in charge of state-funded colleges and universities, and start removing them for political advocacy.

Start removing academic accreditation from libtard private colleges that cannot teach, thus removing federal money from them.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 17, 2012 04:44 PM (wYVte)

237 "You say the culture has fallen; ok, yeah, but it was pushed!"

Hahaha. This is why I look forward to your posts, LauraW.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 17, 2012 05:01 PM (1+XRG)

238 A gigantic part of the problem is the fallacy on all sides that you can get people to be something they're not.

You can argue that the "greater error" is on the left, where they believe they can re-make humanity, and it always seems to end in mass slaughter (after the economic destruction).

But the right (and I speak of the American right) manages to fucker up all its strategies because they're largely based on a spirit of constant confrontation and concerted, united effort we just don't have. We aren't going to have it next week or next year, either.

I don't claim to have the answer, but I can identify a problem, and the problem here is that if your plan starts with "if only people would," you have already failed. You need to start your plan with "because people do," and find out how to turn what people *already* do and want to your advantage.

The left's *goals* are insane, but their strategy has been sound - attack and distort the common assumptions, the underlying cultural framework, and turn it into something that causes people's natural inclinations to move them in the direction the left wants them to go.

We have the additional disadvantage of a cultural bias toward honesty and openness. That shouldn't be a disadvantage, but it this case it is. That doesn't mean we should try to change that (as I said, people don't really change, at least not quickly, easily, or much), but we can't just assume it's an advantage, we have to make it one.

And we have to find a way to do it, as much as I appreciate the spirit of the "let it burn" movement, it can't be un-burned. Assuming you will be able to rebuild (and will be in charge) is grotesquely ahistorical.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 17, 2012 05:11 PM (bxiXv)

239 Of course, dead thread. As usual.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 17, 2012 05:11 PM (bxiXv)

240 I understand the venom flowing towards the GOP right now. It's justifiable in most cases. But the MFM is right there and probably more responsible than anyone else for Obama's victory.

Posted by: El Kabong, Vakarian/Wrex 2016 at November 17, 2012 12:46 PM

To quote Boondock Saints:

"Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men."

The media is evil. The GOP is "another kind of evil". (Well, that's assuming that the GOP is actually made up of good men).

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 17, 2012 05:37 PM (vUK/h)

241 @22 -- re. The French Revolution..... Don't forget all the priests and religious who were executed.... Now, look at the Obamacare mandate.....

Posted by: OCD con at November 17, 2012 07:22 PM (uUlWl)

242 Every single one of the those freakshows deserves a visit to Cuba. One-way ticket.

That old fat jackass at the end?

Dude - come to me with that attitude. You'll be choking on that waddle within a NY minute.

Posted by: Hoi Polloi Wingnutia at November 17, 2012 07:31 PM (OPWiP)

243 186: You're talking to a bunch of sentimental jingos who mistake this forpatriotism. Great hearts and good people, but trying to talk [r] to these RNC decepticons isgenerally alosing battle.

Posted by: jacke at November 17, 2012 09:46 PM (5Cwv4)

244 One way to facilitate the crash is to stop feeding the beast known as the IRS - do it legally - downsize in any way that you can - decrease your income if you can - cut expenses and cut your hours if you can and ultimately give less to the IRS. File your taxes but don't pay them right away... delay giving your hard earned money to them in any way possible. I also like the idea of only spending money at businesses who are absolutely not supporting Obama. Methinks something akin to a "good housekeeping seal" would work to highlight a business which rejects Obama's socialism... Maybe it could be called the "O NO" seal - LOL

Posted by: 2plus2is5 at November 17, 2012 11:02 PM (96AeH)

245 When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I calmly
say, “Your child belongs to us already… What are you? You will pass on.
Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time
they will know nothing else but this new community.” — Adolf Hitler

Modern academic intelligentsia took that to heart.

Posted by: SFC MAC at November 18, 2012 08:03 AM (TLbgU)

246
Patrick wrote in #234:
"Classics" won't "save" us. That was what the West was built on - and look where we are now!
Uh, Patrick, did you ever hear of "Progressive Education"? It's the way of educating children that, well,Progressives came up with in order to reach their longterm goals. One of the main critiques of traditional education by Progressives is that it stifled diversity and creativity in favor of uniformity. That is, it taught a set ofbasic skills and a canon of classic texts in order to enable students to participate in western civilization. In order to producestudents who werediversity-loving (i.e. relativistic) and critical (i.e. cleverfools with no respect for their heritage) the Progressives took aim at the very idea of classics and described initiation into western civilization as authoritarian indoctrination.
The young adults who voted en masse for Obama were certainly not raised on Homer and Shakespeare. They were raised onpropaganda novels and revisionist history.
Your words imply that western civilization is the problem, that somehow socialism and the politics of envy were produced by Homer and Shakespeare. I think that the alienation of several generations from western civilization by progressive educators has been the necessary groundword for our political and social idiocy.
I never said that the classics will save us. But an electorate raised to be shallow relativists who have never faced any deep questions about the human condition will most surely damn us.

Posted by: OldWhig at November 18, 2012 11:45 AM (8nop5)

247 OldWhig - you are simply repeating the "broad conspiracy" of being "pushed." I think you are greatly mistaken. As I stated earlier, how were these generations "alienated?" Did they have no choice in what they chose to accept and believe? Where was the foundation that would - nay, SHOULD - have provided those generations with the skills to see and avoid the poison of that "progressive education?" You seem to think that, somehow, this small cabal of "progressives" were able to "take over" education and "turn" generations against Western culture. That doesn't happen, as I said before, unless the West was already rotting. In a healthy, strong culture, that cabal would never have gotten a foothold.

So, the necessary groundwork was done without them. They merely fomented the disease and were, quite honestly, a *product* of that disease. That disease was inherent in Western culture. That egocentrism, that worship of man, even through proxy, that had been growing in leaps and bounds in the West, accelerated through events that are often praised as "good" in the West (like the so-called Enlightenment. Few events in human history have accelerated the cultural worship of man like the Enlightenment).

As Blessed Seraphim Rose wrote in 1961, where we are was inevitable. So, yes, Shakespeare was partly to blame - but only in the sense that he was nothing more than a product of his time. And that's all the West ever is, for nearly a thousand years - a product of its time: ever influenced by humanism. So places rot faster (Europe), others slower (the US). But the rot is inevitable.

Homer was too early, but it is still pagan. And that is ALSO my point - this nation was founded, politically speaking, really on pagan political ideals. NOT Christianity, as it is often mistakenly believed.

the sinner,

Patrick

Posted by: Patriack at November 18, 2012 12:10 PM (LrlHu)

248 String em along with promises of a great future. Reality says:wrong answer lefty rats.

Posted by: Skid Marx at November 18, 2012 05:56 PM (Kflw4)

249 You don't need to do much "looking into" to find out what the kids are being force fed and how it is being done. Peruse your kids homework materials. Look at your kids' assignments. Take a look at the sort of questions are asked on your kid's homework some night. It's pretty simple. The education establishment uses people like Howard Zinn & Chomsky, and they teach books like 1984 and Animal Farm as if they are divorced from the very ideology that they themselves embrace. You know, "Communism just hasn't been tried. It wasn't done right..." etc.. But rest assured, you absent neglectful parents have really no clue how your very own kids are being shaped into future cannon fodder for the leftists. Wait till you see the diversity and social justice curriculum which is being rolled out across the country! You'll reallyyyyyy like that!!!

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 18, 2012 07:19 PM (2/oBD)

250 Why don't you all try checking out my blog more often- I'm a conservative teacher and the more traffic I generate the more that I can stand up to the leftists in my profession.

Posted by: A Conservative Teacher at November 19, 2012 06:21 PM (idosS)






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