Richard Trumpka Blames "Bain" Policies For Hostess' Shuttering

So you gets what you gets.

I have absolutely no sympathy. 18,500 people are losing their jobs and it's entirely their own fault. This is a bad economy to be jobless in. You'd think they might have heard.

But they didn't. And Richard Trumka wants you to know it's because of "Bain-like" policies. Such as owners wishing to make a profit on their companies, and not simply operate them as public charities for the benefit of the unions and the pension operations.

“What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor,” Trumka said in a public statement. “Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price.”

Earlier Friday, Hostess Brands announced that it would be closing, which the company said was precipitated by a workers’ strike.

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“These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed,” Trumka said in the statement. “They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate race-to-the-bottom. And now they and their communities are suffering the tragedy of a needless layoff. This is wrong. It has to stop. It’s wrecking America.”


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In 2009, Hostess came out of bankruptcy thanks in part to private equity firm Ripplewood Holdings, which made a $130 million investment...

So the company was already in bankruptcy, and a Bain-like private equity firm brought it out of bankruptcy due to a $130 million investment, which the investors, get this, hoped to one day see a profit on.

The union workers disagreed, and told the investors that they should not only never expect a profit, but that they would continue escalating demands so that additional bankruptcies and additional bailouts of millions of dollars would follow.

So, the investors said: See ya. No use throwing good money after bad.

But remember, it's the people who spent $130 million to bring the company out of bankruptcy who are the villains here.

Unionism seems to be animated by the religious conviction that only the union laborer is deserving to make any money whatsoever for his exertions. Everyone else -- investors, owners, taxpayers -- exists solely to donate their money to the cause of union profit.


Posted by: Ace at 03:57 PM



Comments

1 first

Posted by: Flounder at November 16, 2012 03:59 PM (Kkt/i)

2 recontextualization, or homage?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 03:59 PM (WvXvd)

3 And for thier punishment the union workers will receive north of 500 million dollars in unemployment benefits and medicare....

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 16, 2012 03:59 PM (t06LC)

4 HA! Jokes on you Ace! The government will bail them out now!

Posted by: LibTard at November 16, 2012 03:59 PM (F6KtL)

5 I posted this at the bottom of the last thread, but it fits in nicely here:

I had an interesting thought whilst driving home from work today. We've
been tossing around ideas to force the MSM into submission. Here's where
Let It Burn comes in: they're doing it to themselves, they just don't
realize it yet. Case in point: how many ad dollars have they lost now
that Twinkie the Kid is no longer dancing across my TV screen? As the
economy goes further and further into the tank, less companies are going
to have ad buy money. L.I.B.

Posted by: Country Singer (prepping for SMOD) at November 16, 2012 03:59 PM (meVGV)

6 What of Chocodiles?

Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 03:59 PM (3leWo)

7 Good thing Ace doesn't read his own blog.

Oh, and most of the employees weren't striking, it was just the bakers union.

Posted by: Timin203 at November 16, 2012 04:00 PM (5WxMt)

8 The PE was Dem's! LOL
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-16/hostess-liquidation-curious-cast-characters-twinkie-tumbles

Posted by: M1911 at November 16, 2012 04:01 PM (j/KPN)

9 To be fair, it's not all the worker's fault. It was a 1/3 that belonged that one particular union that held the rest hostage.

Posted by: Kramer at November 16, 2012 04:01 PM (kiwMG)

10 dave, I forgot the new thing was Richard Trumka's statement, and wound up leaving that out of the headline.

So it was just a mistake.

Posted by: ace at November 16, 2012 04:01 PM (LCRYB)

11 Think of the twinkies! What of the twinkies???

Posted by: LibTard at November 16, 2012 04:01 PM (F6KtL)

12 It's all Bush's fault. Somehow. Right? RIGHT???

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 16, 2012 04:01 PM (pLTLS)

13 Are we sure that Moochele didn't have something to do with this? I find it hard to believe that the same union boss who supported Ms. Let's Move has any sympathy for people making products that she considers more dangerous than rogue nuclear weapons.

Posted by: NotSoLoneWolfinNC at November 16, 2012 04:02 PM (LN5eJ)

14 I found this article to be informative, and despite throwing out the phrase "vulture funds" twice, rather balanced.

http://tinyurl.com/co9xv6r

Posted by: fluffy, now with less creme filling at November 16, 2012 04:02 PM (3SvjA)

15 What of Chocodiles?
Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 03:59 PM (3leWo)

Themz good !

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 16, 2012 04:02 PM (nTgAI)

16 Oh, and most of the employees weren't striking, it was just the bakers union.

Whom the frakking Teamsters threw under the bus for the whole CF. Guess Ace isn't the only one that doesn't ready his own site, eh, Mr. Trumka?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 04:02 PM (GBXon)

17 The media will, without irony or a hint of absurdity, blame President Romney for our failing economy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (iO3BG)

18 Trumka doesn't he write for communist magazines and shit?

Posted by: Mr pink at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (1PF/K)

19 Correct on the Baker's Union; the Teamsters Union had agreed to the cuts. 5500 members of the Baker's Union caused 13000 other people to lose their jobs.

Posted by: Where's My Ding Dong? at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (m7EhJ)

20 I can promise you this, I will never eat a government-made Twinkie.

Posted by: sTevo at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (VMcEw)

21 Unions only exist to protect the totally incompotent.

Posted by: Sgt Hulka at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (PQbKD)

22 Meanwhile, thousands of union goons are threatening a strike at LAX on Thanksgiving Eve, the most traveled day of the year. Linc on nic

Posted by: eureka! LIBer at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (UL+ny)

23 Meanwhile, Tampax has reported record profits.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (4KOF2)

24 The reporting I heard was that 5,000 union bakers cost
18,500 jobs. That means there are 13,500 workers who got boned by the union. Nice.

Posted by: teh Wind at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (HBU8E)

25 Who knew there was a baker's union ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (nTgAI)

26 @8 That's a thing a of beauty. Someone should really let Dumbasses United know about that: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021830337

Posted by: Country Singer (prepping for SMOD) at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (meVGV)

27 Whom the frakking Teamsters threw under the bus for the whole CF. Guess Ace isn't the only one that doesn't ready his own site, eh, Mr. Trumka?

Yeah, I don't get why Trumka is bitching when the Teamsters' accountants (that's an... interesting job) basically told the strikers to STFU and go back to work.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 16, 2012 04:04 PM (B/VB5)

28 5500 members of the Baker's Union caused 13000 other people to lose their jobs.

Recap, the few screwed over the many. Pattern?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 04:04 PM (GBXon)

29 Let them eat chemically altered pastries.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 04:04 PM (5Hk3U)

30 The best part of the story is one union fucking over another. HAHAHA. Suck on that you fucking shitheads.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 16, 2012 04:04 PM (pLTLS)

31 "HA! Jokes on you Ace! The government will bail them out now!"

Hostess is definitely too big to fail. America's vital twinkie supply must not be jeopardized.

Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 04:04 PM (jRfn3)

32
>> So it was just a mistake.

It actually is a recontextualization, with the Trumka comment on "Bain-like".

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (WvXvd)

33 What of Chocodiles?

So sorry for your loss.

**nudges box of tissues forward**

Posted by: fluffy at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (3SvjA)

34 Speaking of twinkies...

Posted by: Cricket at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (DrC22)

35 13,000 = baker's dozen

Posted by: grease monkey at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (VSWPU)

36 What are you talking about of course it's Bain and their cronies. They pile on mountains of debt, miss manage the company and then extract huge fees before they run away.

Posted by: MikeDemarest at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (4FvdX)

37 Where exactly again did Hostess offshore jobs to?

Did I miss the memo?

Is Richard Trumka still dumber than a pound of semen?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (sbV1u)

38 I guess the Hostess collapse makes a final case for public control of every industry, even Twinkie production. At least then all comrades could work in exchange for food stamps.

Posted by: TD, taxpayer at November 16, 2012 04:06 PM (DQMcq)

39 So the Union is going to buy the company and put all the workers back in their old jobs with even better pay and benefits, right?

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2012 04:06 PM (1+CnU)

40 Yahoo Finance headline earlier today:

How Hostess Failed: Hedge Funds vs Unions CNBC - 4 hours ago

Gee, how did Trumpka and CNBC come to the same conclusion?

HMMMMM?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2012 04:06 PM (4h0z0)

41
"Union laborer"..."exertions"...

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Posted by: Memebot at November 16, 2012 04:06 PM (ggRof)

42
Itwould, at this point, actually be funto pick a company that has the most scurrilous union representation, and have a movement for stock holders of modest means, those who own mutual funds, divest themselves of any mutual fund with that company in its porfolio.
It's amazing just how Trumka looks like the pig he is.

Posted by: gm at November 16, 2012 04:06 PM (wgmUB)

43 Correct on the Baker's Union; the Teamsters Union
had agreed to the cuts. 5500 members of the Baker's Union caused 13000
other people to lose their jobs.

Posted by: Where's My Ding Dong? at November 16, 2012 04:03 PM (m7EhJ)


Solidarity, Comrade, Solidarity!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 16, 2012 04:06 PM (Cnqmv)

44
Where I come from "twinkie" can mean more than one thing

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 16, 2012 04:06 PM (nTgAI)

45 @25
The butcher, the baker, the candlestick-maker local 109.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 16, 2012 04:07 PM (4KOF2)

46 Government workerpension funds are invested in Bain to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. Maybe that's why Corey Booker initially was not so hard on Bain.

Posted by: kallisto at November 16, 2012 04:07 PM (jm/9g)

47 I can't remember how to do the tiny url shit, but go to zero hedge dot com - turns out the Hostess "villains" are actually wealthy democrats, including Dick Gephardt.

Posted by: buzz at November 16, 2012 04:08 PM (i27M5)

48 So why didn't the employees buy it out of bankruptcy themselves? At $130,000,000 they would have had to fork over $7,027 per person. Not a huge strain.

Posted by: boniface ballers at November 16, 2012 04:08 PM (l3RZ9)

49 I want everyone who is a member of a union to be living under a bridge by 2016.

Preferably a union-labor constructed bridge so I can laugh when it falls on them.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:08 PM (sbV1u)

50 Is Richard Trumka still dumber than a pound of semen?


Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:05 PM (sbV1u)


Watch it there fella, at least a pound of semen has some potential to create brain cells!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 16, 2012 04:08 PM (Cnqmv)

51 Since he's an actual communist, it's really not surprising that Trumka adheres to the labor theory of value. What's shocking is that most people would have no argument with it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:09 PM (QupBk)

52 Seattle Commie local news this morning had story about the Seattle Hostess closing. Not one word about why or what the impact would be. Whole story was about the property becoming available for......wait for it.........

New businesses!

Hahahahaha! You didn't build that!

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:09 PM (zpqa2)

53 Mmmmmmm, I do like Obama's twinkie...it too is filled with cream.

Posted by: Reggie 'Finger Lickin' Good' Love at November 16, 2012 04:09 PM (F6KtL)

54 Looks like Trumka will physically benefit from this bankruptcy, the fat fuck.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 16, 2012 04:09 PM (NzBQO)

55 The CEO was explaining that the PE firm sunk another 30 million into Hostess last year that they knew was probably going to be lost, as they were in negotiations that looked awful. But they committed the money, anyway. They should have shuttered the business last year.

No good turn goes unpunished by the despicable, lying scumbag left.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:09 PM (X3lox)

56 A popular consumer forced into bankruptcy by unsatiable appetite of unions and their bossess - vulture capitalism/bad

A mulch-billionaire democrat donor shuts down and destroys a 143 year old media company to make a profit/cut losses - good

http://tinyurl.com/blwrdhk

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 04:10 PM (WR5xI)

57 Notice how investment bankers are continiously bailing out union companies?
Its because they see a profitable asset so long as they can remove/renegotiate union contracts. Sometimes they can, sometimes they get twinkied.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 16, 2012 04:10 PM (t06LC)

58 mulch = multi-

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 04:11 PM (WR5xI)

59 to sum up, the Vultures ate all the Twinkies and made the Hostess cry

Posted by: Cricket at November 16, 2012 04:11 PM (DrC22)

60 They're burning it down whether you like it or not, wingnuts.

Posted by: Fritz at November 16, 2012 04:11 PM (/ZZCn)

61 >> recontextualization, or homage?

The former. It adds the Trumka element.

Posted by: Andy at November 16, 2012 04:11 PM (5Rurq)

62 The AP says there is nothing to worry about.
http://is.gd/npuni1

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, outlier at November 16, 2012 04:11 PM (/kI1Q)

63 Unionism seems to be animated by the religious conviction that only the
union laborer is deserving to make any money whatsoever for his
exertions. Everyone else -- investors, owners, taxpayers -- exists
solely to donate their money to the cause of union profit.


Couldn't have said it better, myself.

Posted by: Zombie Friedrich Engels at November 16, 2012 04:11 PM (vbh31)

64 Shit, no more rasberry zingers !!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (nTgAI)

65 Resist we mulch

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (zpqa2)

66 This is all part of Moochele's plan to shut down all the high-calorie food makers.

Posted by: The Q at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (w4fEE)

67 Hostess Brands is Closed.
We are sorry to announce that Hostess Brands, Inc. has been forced by a Bakers Union strike to shut down all operations and sell all company assets. For more information, go to hostessbrands.info. Thank you for all of your loyalty and support over the years.

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (nTgAI)

68 http://youtu.be/bo2Aypi0R2c

Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (/YJYi)

69 mulch = multi-

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 04:11 PM (WR5xI)


"Mulch" worked, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (X3lox)

70
All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? That's like saying allinvestment banksare bad because of Lehman and Merrill. Stupid generalization, particularly in light of the fact that the Teamsters went to the bakers union and advised them to let go of their demands and the strike.

Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)

71
2 recontextualization, or homage?

Dave, that's some deep shit right there.

Posted by: km at November 16, 2012 04:13 PM (iFQkz)

72 I wondered when this would happen..

Hey, Ace.. on that cultural vs political thing.. I think you and Rush are on to something.. and popular culture (which is everything today) has a lot to do with that. Think of the character Alex P. Keaton from the 80's TV show.. the conservative kid with the hippy parents. Likable conservatives have vanished from pop culture. think about it...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 16, 2012 04:13 PM (f9c2L)

73 The frightening thing is that most people are so ignorant of finance and economics, that they probably agree with Trumka.

If this starts happening to enough companies, Obama will probably do what he did with GM, but this time explicitly: Transfer, without compensation, the "means of production" directly to the unions/proletariat.

And there is nothing to stop Obama from doing that.

This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 16, 2012 04:13 PM (XvHmy)

74 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:13 PM (8y9MW)

75
So what will Barky do to try to stop the layoffs that will be happening now?
Not just at Hostess, but all across the country.

A Federal Fine for laying people off?
That won't work...companies will just pay the fine, and keep firing people.

I'm just wondering what is going through the minds of these tyrants.
We know they only think in terms of 'punish your enemies'...

What will they come up with, to try to stop the waves of layoffs?

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 04:13 PM (ICEh3)

76 Mulch is for the proles. I have no use for it.

Posted by: Zombie Friedrich Engels at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (vbh31)

77 Unions are stuttering clusterf*cks of economic terrorism.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (8y9MW)

78 I was THERE! I WAS THERE! I was at the Battle of Twinkie Hill, although the Great Vagina War made that conflict seem little in the long run

Posted by: Old-Timer at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (F6KtL)

79 It's funny how the mindless idiots on the left don't mind keeping Air America on life support with private money, but as soon as a semi union tries to do it... Well thats just UNFAIR!

Posted by: Melodicmetal at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (QY9FJ)

80 I'm all out of outrage. I need a drink.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (QKKT0)

81 Trumka`s just pissed that his Twinkie supply is going away....oh wait, not THAT type of twinkie?...ooops, my bad.

Posted by: heh at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (bKX6s)

82 Pot smokers everywhere hardest hit

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (nTgAI)

83
Unionism is morphing into...


Unicornism.



Unicornism: a perfect working environment where everyone shares the revenue equally, nobody ever gets hurt, and everyone gets 52 weeks of vacation per year.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (jUytm)

84 Richard Trumka has eaten his share of twinkies to be an expert on the company history but remember you can't spell Richard Trunka without tard. That man has an IQ the size of his waist. It really is amazing how much money he makes. He gives hope to all those other high level functioning retards.

Posted by: YaHump at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (XMCQO)

85 All unions are somehow bad out of this, right?

Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)


Not out of this. All unions are bad because closed shops and the idea that someone who is hired to work for a company has some "right" to ownership in that company are absolutely INSANE and DESTRUCTIVE ideas that only the dimmest among us could possibly espouse with a straight face.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:14 PM (X3lox)

86 SMASH BIG SPONGECAKE!

Posted by: I Am The 99% at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM (QKKT0)

87 If enough businesses that employ union labor either downsize or shut down completely, maybe the rank and file will start wondering why Trumka is eating so well.

The one question that union bosses always refuse to answer is "what do you spend our union dues on"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM (wwsoB)

88 All unions are somehow bad out of this, right?

Yeah, pretty much. Unions are overhead. They add nothing to the bottom line. When their vig gets to high, the owners just have to burn the place down.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM (QupBk)

89 I dont know why you people keep calling Trumka a girly-man. For heaven's sake, stop it!

Posted by: Shep Smith at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM (DrC22)

90 To be fair, it's not all the worker's fault. It was a 1/3 that belonged that one particular union that held the rest hostage.


Let's not kid ourselves here - so long as the bakers were striking, the others were not striking but "respecting the strike" by not going into work. If they had said FU to the bakers and gone into work, they wouldn't have shut the plant down. Let's not feel sorry for these people that buried themselves.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM (7vSU0)

91 DOWN Twinkies!!!

DOWN Twinkies!!!

Posted by: Occupoopers at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM (riIMi)

92 Want twinkies, ho-hos, chocodiles, raspberry zingers, snowballs?

Make your own. It is not rocket science, and they will taste better.

For the next two years, there will be lots of this sort of thing happening, and the two questions you have to ask yourself every time:
1) How do I protect me and mine from the negative consequences of this?
2) How do I adapt my way of thnking to make a profit from this?

I am buying twinkie-shaped pans and using a recipe on the Web to make my own twinkies.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM (gsPPG)

93
I heard a Twinkie employee call in this morning to radio station KSFO (San Francisco.) He was angry that the two morning hosts had, in his estimation, been blaming the collapse of the company on the union. ( I don't know that they did this as I turned on the car radio just as they welcomed their caller.)
He claimed that the investment company that bought Hostessapprox 10 yearsago never had any plans to make it thrive as a food company (evidently the company has has a few owners over the decades), that all it did was see that the company had what would be valuable real estate property and that little by little they shut down the plants and only want the real estate.
One of the radio hostesses said, "If that's true, that's the way capitalism works. If that's true, they kept you on with a job and a steady paycheck for at least 10 years, and if you feared the food company would eventually close, you had plenty of time to find a new, more stable job and/or career.
He didn't like her response. He pointed out that the bakery division had low profit margins and had to deal in volume to make up for that and she responded with, "Yeah, and that's how capitalism works. Hostess evidently found itself in a changing market with competitors it once didn't have, with new attitudes toward their bakery products and nutrition, and even as they faced those problems, your union grew more demanding. What makes you think that at some point a company that bought it wouldn't find that it no longer offered investors the return on their money they risked"?
He didn't get it--acted as if the company (he never seems to see the "company" as full of people who risk money) owed him a job....you know, just to be nice or something.
Welcome to Obamaworld, mister.

Posted by: gm at November 16, 2012 04:16 PM (wgmUB)

94 Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)

You have no respect for the concept of private property from which all individual liberties flow.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:16 PM (X3lox)

95 Let them eat cake... Uh Uh Uh let them eat bread... Uh Uh Uh oh well let them eat their stupid EBT cards. They're still good in strip clubs, right?

Posted by: Mr Tea at November 16, 2012 04:16 PM (kOcWf)

96
Unicornism!

you'll never have a better bargaining agreement in your life!

all your demands will be met!

More pay, No work.

No, really, no work.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 04:16 PM (jUytm)

97 ""Mulch" worked, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (X3lox)"AceofSpades HQ auto-correct always knows best

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 04:16 PM (WR5xI)

98
77Unions are stuttering clusterf*cks of economic terrorism.

They really are, AllenG.

It's economic extortion...and yeah, terrorism.
Which is why there should be no Govt Unions, at all.

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 04:16 PM (ICEh3)

99 I'm still laughing at the Teamsters for saying Dudes! We've seen the books! They're not bluffing!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:17 PM (QupBk)

100
Trumka looks like he's put a few Twinkies and Ho Ho's away in his day.

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 04:17 PM (AW9md)

101 All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)

Ummmm, yes actually.

Because this isn't 1890 and we're not worried about fires at the Triangle Shirtwaist Company any more. Nor are we worried about 8 year-old working as "greasers" in coal mines.

The purpose of a union in modern America is to (a) subsidize the lazy (b) protect the incompetent and (c) get as much money as possible for as little work as possible regardless of the economics involved in remaining in business.

Go ahead, show me one example otherwise.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:17 PM (sbV1u)

102 I think Barry would by HAPPY to bail out the Twinkies

Posted by: Reggie at November 16, 2012 04:17 PM (DrC22)

103 Let them eat KrispyKreme.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:17 PM (QupBk)

104 Richard is a commie.

Here ya go Rich, just buy the company, re-start it then hire back your employees and run it.
You do not need to make a profit after all so all your employees can make even more money.....
See all fixed.... Right?




Posted by: MarkC at November 16, 2012 04:17 PM (Kf68R)

105 So, for the first four years everything was Bush's fault and for the next four, everything will be Romney's fault.

I'm glad I'm clear on that now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:18 PM (piMMO)

106 Keep digging, there's an evil white republican male at the bottom of this, along with all other things bad.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 04:18 PM (hNXHo)

107 The former Mine Workers Union boss, Trumka, does absolutely nothing while his butt-buddy Obama kills not just coal but all forms of mining through the EPA. Priceless. Let's hope every union miner that voted for Obama losses his job in the next 4 years.

Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 04:18 PM (VDovR)

108 80% of something is better than 100% of nothing, job wise. Way to vote yourselves into the unemployment line, people.

Posted by: Cato at November 16, 2012 04:18 PM (q89J2)

109 If any other organization regularly interferes with biz contract between two other parties, they would easily be found guilty of tortious interference.

Breaking the law is the only manner in which collectivism can operate.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2012 04:18 PM (4h0z0)

110 We don't care too much about the Twinkies but we'll miss the Hos.

Posted by: The U.S. Secret Service at November 16, 2012 04:18 PM (QKKT0)

111
Yep, marxism always like the Labor component as an input, never seem to get around to appreciating the Capital component.

Oh well, no capital, no labor - as sung to "no women, no cry". Wait, is Susan Rice or Barney Frank around?, don't want to be sexist.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2012 04:18 PM (3BbLJ)

112 “Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price.”

but Solyndra was okay, I guess

Posted by: mallfly at November 16, 2012 04:18 PM (bJm7W)

113 All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? That's like saying allinvestment

Other than you, who actually said that, fuck nuts?

Posted by: fluffy at November 16, 2012 04:19 PM (3SvjA)

114 Think about this: somewhere over 5000 employees (less than a 3rd) refused to accept a deal MANDATED BY THE COURTS. Because of their illegal strike (but who was going to prosecute?), now 18,500 people will be out of work.

But it's worse than that.

The people on pensions and retiree medical plans? Yeah, that stuff is gone, they're just screwed.

Unemployment does not apply to a) strikers or b) people who lost their jobs due to liquidation (at least, not in Texas, and Hostess is based in Irving).

COBRA benefits do not exist when the Plan on which they were based no longer exists- for example, in the case of bankruptcy liquidation.

And that's just the screw-job for Hostess employees. How many tons of flour, sugar, butter, eggs, and so forth do you think Hostess used to use in a day? How many gallons of "partially hydrogenated soy-bean oil" and gasoline?

How frequently do you think their thousands of Teamster employees stopped to get a drink and a snack from the stores to which they were making deliveries that aren't coming any more?

I'm not sure we'll even be able to trace all the ripple effects, but they'll be there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:19 PM (8y9MW)

115 Hey, look, Romney said that stuff about the embassy in Egypt, and after that, we really haven't been able to report about anything at all.

Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 04:19 PM (7vSU0)

116 maybe if romney had talked about union thugs in GM making 6 figs without performance reviews and how we're paying for that, the culture would have changed a little. Instead, the DNC gets to play like we're in the 1930's union buster age

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:19 PM (WrIV3)

117 Wow, so now all you have to do is run for President to get Oblame-a to pin it on you.

Old and Busted = It's Bush's Fault™

New Hotness = It's Romney's Fault (Patent Pending)

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 16, 2012 04:19 PM (uD2fR)

118 Unionism seems to be animated by the religious conviction that only the union laborer is deserving to make any money whatsoever for his exertions. Everyone else -- investors, owners, taxpayers -- exists solely to donate their money to the cause of union profit.

Ace, without going into a long dissertation, this is the central theme to Marxist economics- the Labor Theory of Value. Rather than taking into account labor, capital, and technology, Marxist economists only attribute value to the labor.

So yes, this is exactly what they are saying. It is not religious, but it is fervent, and it is un-American and illogical.

As all unions are.

But this is the man, Piggy Trumka, who has the president's ear when it comes to labor relations.

Fundamental transformation, right before your eyes.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 16, 2012 04:19 PM (I2LwF)

119 Posted by: The Political Hat at November 16, 2012 04:13 PM (XvHmy)


Let's see, I can invest my capitol in a business venture but be completely beholden to union goons and effectively be raided by a government takeover/bail-out. Sure sounds like a plan to me!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD for the Children at November 16, 2012 04:19 PM (Cnqmv)

120 I heard somewhere that the private equity firm was a democratic outfit

Posted by: Jimmy at November 16, 2012 04:20 PM (Kw5Iv)

121 I've noticed where I work the people that whine the most about what they're paid are also the ones least willing to work to change it. With either education or effort.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 04:20 PM (tf9Ne)

122 Hostess goes Galt.

Posted by: eleven at November 16, 2012 04:20 PM (KXm42)

123 Nothing a few billion of borrowed money can't fix. Government can do anything.

Posted by: Beagle at November 16, 2012 04:20 PM (sOtz/)

124 Its like watching a real life chapter in Atlas Shrugged.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2012 04:20 PM (3BbLJ)

125 It would appear that the Bakers union thought the investors were kidding about the "let it burn" conclusion

Enjoy your class warfare while we dine on your ashes, dipshits

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:20 PM (wwsoB)

126 What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with
America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by
making America poor,” Trumka said in a public statement. “Crony
capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the
ground, but its workers are paying the price.”


so Trumka and All the other Union Heads made others Poor While making themselves rich , while never giving them an JOB,

just taking a cut of the workers pychecks that ACUTALLY WORKED at ther jobs.

The Corportions actually Gave people jobs which they got a paycheck for their effors to pay for homes food, cars.

Trumka srsly, whee are the Jobs and Paychecks , You still have money where are the Jobs you Create , Where is MY paycheck fat rich oinker??

Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (hX8cq)

127 The Teamsters and what few unions are not completely insane should remember that when the Soviets took over... they went after the Trotskyists and Mensheviks when they ran out of Kulaks.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (XvHmy)

128 Here ya go Rich, just buy the company, re-start it then hire back your employees and run it.

You may be on to something:

In 2007 it warded off a $580 million bid from its biggest competitor, Bimbo Bakeries USA. Bimbo Bakeries USA is part of Grupo Bimbo, the Mexican baking giant that owns such brands as Sara Lee, Entenmann's, Freihofer's, Arnold, Boboli, Ball Park Buns, and Thomas' English Muffins. Joining Bimbo in the bid were the union-friendly investment arm of supermarket titan Ron Burkle and the Teamsters themselves.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (GBXon)

129 There IS a God...

Posted by: Michelle at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (DrC22)

130 Ace, I think you need to distinguish between union leaders and their members, I'm a union member as well and there are a lot of members who are willing to endure wage cuts and loss of benefits to not only keep their jobs but help their coworkers keep theirs as well. Many of us were willing to do furloughs if it meant saving jobs too. I certainly was willing.

Guess who wasn't willing to compromise? The union leaders/reps. They don't mind layoffs because laid off workers can't vote these union fucks out, on account of them being, you know, laid off.

A lot of union members are conservative or lean conservative and I'm sure many of the 18,500 employees who are going to get laid off are pissed at the union reps for not only disregarding their voice but now being responsible for the, having lost their jobs too. You just never hear about them in the media, but they are there and they need a voice.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Says, LET IT BURN at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (ZHqer)

131

Not to worry union folks.
The White House is petitioning the White House to nationalize the Twinkie industry.

http://tinyurl.com/d9kttbu

Posted by: YIKES! at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (1PE/J)

132 Because this isn't 1890 and we're not worried about fires at the Triangle Shirtwaist Company any more.

Hell, I'm not convinced unions were the proper response to Triangle Shirtwaist, but that's not a battle that's probably worth fighting 100 years later.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (B/VB5)

133 Let GM make twinkies and they'll bake themselves.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (QKKT0)

134 Damn, NDH beat me to it at 105.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (uD2fR)

135 Good summary of the Hostess debacle here at Zerohedge:

http://tinyurl.com/b6rw2vw

Posted by: looking closely at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (6Q9g2)

136
Mentioned earlier, the brands themselves will get purchased by other food companies, happens all the time in the food industry.
So they drove Hostess into the ground, and the investors who tried to turn it around lose dollars for pennies. But there will be more Twinkies.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (WvXvd)

137 70
All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? That's like saying allinvestment banksare bad because of Lehman and Merrill. Stupid generalization, particularly in light of the fact that the Teamsters went to the bakers union and advised them to let go of their demands and the strike.

Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)

Anytime that a business is required - BY FORCE OF LAW - to deal with them, the answer is 'yes'.

Posted by: blindside at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (x7g7t)

138 Trumka needs his vaj adjusted.

Seems a little tight. Affecting his judgement.

Posted by: Barakatemydog at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (qBLA2)

139 I've noticed where I work the people that whine the most about what they're paid are also the ones least willing to work to change it. With either education or effort. Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 04:20 PM (tf9Ne)

Try working in the Federal government.

That seems to be a requirement to be hired.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (sbV1u)

140 Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)

The Teamsters contract on how and what they could deliver hurt Hostess also buy being inefficient.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (m2CN7)

141 remeber NORMA RAE when SAL:LLY FIELDS walked off the line androde in a TRANS AM with BURT REYNOLDS???

Posted by: hunterwingplover at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (EZl54)

142
He was angry that the two morning hosts had, in his estimation, been blaming the collapse of the company on the union

The Twinkie defense

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (AW9md)

143
I sense new battles in D.C. over UE extensions in our future...

Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (jUytm)

144 90
To be fair, it's not all the worker's fault. It was a 1/3 that belonged that one particular union that held the rest hostage.





Let's not kid ourselves here - so long as the bakers were striking,
the others were not striking but "respecting the strike" by not going
into work. If they had said FU to the bakers and gone into work, they
wouldn't have shut the plant down. Let's not feel sorry for these
people that buried themselves.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 04:15 PM

I think it's also safe to assume that the vast majority of those who are now funemployed voted to continue King Barry's reign of error last week

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (wwsoB)

145 "Unionism seems to be animated by the religious conviction that only the
union laborer is deserving to make any money whatsoever for his
exertions. Everyone else -- investors, owners, taxpayers -- exists
solely to donate their money to the cause of union profit."

My Father and three uncles are all retired UAW workers, and THIS is their motto. They want everyone to unionize. If you're not in a union, you have no right to complain about your pay or job in general. Unionize; that'll fix everything!

Republicans will always be pure evil to these people, because they built China by sending union jobs there.

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (cv5Iw)

146 After re-reading this thread, I just found a fuck-ton of ballots marked #LetItBurn in my trunk.

I think my personal die is finally cast.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (hNXHo)

147 Think of the character Alex P. Keaton from the 80's TV show.. the conservative kid with the hippy parents.

If you read interviews of folks on that show, you'll see that Alex was supposed to be the recurring villain. The problem was, of course, that Michael J. Fox had more charisma than anyone else on the show and ended up being the main character.

Good TV types that they were, they ran with that, as it wasn't like this kind of thing hadn't happened before. (Fonzie wasn't supposed to be at the center of Happy Days, and Barney Fife wasn't supposed to be as big a deal as he was.)

The problem is that if Alex happened today, he'd meet with some sort of tragic accident, and the show would continue on with a new actor/villain.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2012 04:22 PM (4+LTj)

148 My ideas seem quite romantic to the wannabe leftist. That is until all that's left to eat is tree bark soup and you're wiping your bunghole with leaves.

Posted by: Zombie Friedrich Engels at November 16, 2012 04:23 PM (vbh31)

149 It would appear that the Bakers union thought the investors were kidding about the "let it burn" conclusion

Enjoy your class warfare while we dine on your ashes, dipshits

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:20 PM (wwsoB)


And the union thug assholes were even offered 1/4 of the company, for some unknown reason, which they turned down. Frankly, I'm offended that the company was ready to pay the union tribute and turn 1/4 of the equity over to the shithead labor that deserved NOTHING. But, it's their money; they can do what they want.

Even so, 1/4 ownership of Hostess wasn't good enough for these union slimeballs. They should all die starving in the street.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:23 PM (X3lox)

150 So they drove Hostess into the ground, and the investors who tried to turn it around lose dollars for pennies. But there will be more Twinkies. Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM (WvXvd)

May they move all operations to a Right-to-Work state and remain profitable for evermore.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:23 PM (sbV1u)

151 I'm going OT again I'm so sorry

but I had a hell of a day. and the why of it is sort of relevant to the "cultural" problems that are happening now.

essentially, the trouble with the "conservative" side trying to get creatives and tech people on their side is - well, don't think you like creatives and techies (who are similar personality types) all that much.

I come here obviously, and am an artist, and there's CAC and a few others. So I know that's not true here. But IRL it is true, I've found.

What I'm dealing with with my very artistic-temperament kids in Catholic school -- it's turned into a travesty, year after year. Quirky, creative, introverted - these are not considered to be ok. They are now Big Pathological/Psychological Problems.

I don't know how to say this - I think creatives and tech folks - they feel the disdain. I know I feel it with the people I know personally around here who are more conservative and vocal R supporters. Like there's something just inherently wrong with us.

I know -- I know. I'm weird. I always used to joke around about it. I won't anymore. It's gotten my kids nothing but trouble. From now on I am SuperDefenderMom, and they are awesome. I won't kid around and say "well they're quirky! ha ha ha!" - no more of that.

As usual I'm not speaking very eloquently, I'm sorry. I am sorry if I offend. I just think, there's this hard-to-express undercurrent that I feel from IRL people who are NOT liberal, and I don't get that from people IRL who ARE liberal (just the opposite, they are welcoming of creatives and geeks). I suppose it's just how I look. But see, that's a big mistake, to do that.

Anyway. Sorry. Had a horrible day.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 16, 2012 04:23 PM (J6kXj)

152
But there will be more Twinkies.

Promise?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 04:23 PM (jUytm)

153
>> Guess who wasn't willing to compromise? The union leaders/reps


There are numerous accounts of votes by the membership of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers Union. The union so far has refuse comment on whether those were secret ballot or voice votes, but there were votes.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 04:24 PM (WvXvd)

154 Toby beat me to it at 51.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 16, 2012 04:24 PM (I2LwF)

155 wrong thread but wrt culture, Sydney Pollak's Margaret shows that even NYC can take potshots at lefty entitlement culture inside the big apple, see the scenes where she's being bullied by 2 lefty history teachers plus some arab student over 9-11. Sort of an insider's cry for help, showing flyover that even some NYC types get it.

I don't know about changing culture but you saw it in the 80s when we went from hippies to disco to Reagan, the culture was harsher back then, no allies at all but we did it.

And I think people are sick of everything being so PC right now, everything's so polished. The only non-pc outlets are tarantino movies, torture pr0n, and Tosh.


Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:24 PM (WrIV3)

156 Maybe Sarah Lee will step in.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 04:25 PM (3Y7RV)

157
remeber NORMA RAE when SAL:LLY FIELDS walked off the line androde in a TRANS AM with BURT REYNOLDS???


Canseku wept.

Posted by: eleven at November 16, 2012 04:25 PM (KXm42)

158 Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 04:21 PM

Grupo Bimbo always wins. Just ask David Petraeus and Tony Weiner.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 16, 2012 04:25 PM (yKUrR)

159
so anyone want to guess what the chinese are going to be filling Twinkies with

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 04:25 PM (AW9md)

160
All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? That's like saying allinvestment banksare bad because of Lehman and Merrill. Stupid generalization, particularly in light of the fact that the Teamsters went to the bakers union and advised them to let go of their demands and the strike.

Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)

Yeah, I don't mind generalizing the unions. Libs and Progressives do it all the time. So, from now, on: Unions = No jobs for the poor! Why do Unions hate poor people???!!

Posted by: Zac at November 16, 2012 04:25 PM (F6KtL)

161 Unemployment does not apply to a) strikers or b) people who lost their jobs due to liquidation (at least, not in Texas, and Hostess is based in Irving).

-------------------------------------------------


I'm sure Dear Leader already has an EO in front of him to take care of that.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:25 PM (Mb6YF)

162 150 May they move all operations to a Right-to-Work state and remain profitable for evermore.

A problem with this particular business (low margin baking) - it kinda has to be done locally to be profitable.

...Especially with Mr. Chu's European gas prices coming to a pump near you.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 04:25 PM (hNXHo)

163 Think about this: somewhere over 5000 employees (less than a 3rd) refused
to accept a deal MANDATED BY THE COURTS. Because of their illegal
strike (but who was going to prosecute?), now 18,500 people will be out
of work.


Teamsters successfully sued to prevent Hostess from setting aside collective bargaining. It wasn't an illegal strike- just an incredibly stupid one.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 16, 2012 04:26 PM (SY2Kh)

164
@ 130
Big Gov't goes hand in hand with Big Biz (CEO's) and Big Labor (bosses).
They are all three corrupt. See Obama-Jeff Immelt-Richard 'Benedict Arnold" Trumka

Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 04:26 PM (VDovR)

165
BlackOrchid, I don't really understand your frustration but you have my sympathies.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 04:26 PM (jUytm)

166 What part of "the money is gone" does Trumka not get?

Does he think his sweaty bellowing will make it appear?

What keeps him up at night is if his rank and file find out that the fat fuck stole their pension money.

BTW, those pensions don't sit in an interest bearing escrow account, it gets invested into the stock market

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:26 PM (wwsoB)

167 In 2007 it warded off a $580 million bid from its biggest competitor, Bimbo Bakeries USA

Bimbo: Always Sweet 'n' Sticky!

Posted by: fluffy draper at November 16, 2012 04:26 PM (3SvjA)

168 yes, and blame the lefty judges. GOP needs to start bring bias ethics charges against these dolts.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:26 PM (WrIV3)

169 so anyone want to guess what the chinese are going to be filling Twinkies with

I can show you! Watch my next Tweet.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 16, 2012 04:27 PM (B/VB5)

170 New Hotness = It's Romney's Fault (Patent Pending)


******

Romney came way too close last time and they are going to take him out early this time.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:27 PM (piMMO)

171 Meh, as long as they leave Bama Pecan Pies the hell alone. I'm good. Then again, first they came for the twinkies, and I said nothing.....

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 04:27 PM (3Y7RV)

172 Between unions and ObamaCare, there won’t be many businesses left. You just know that Richard Trumka, the head union pig, was going to blame this on Romney.

The unions have only themselves to blame. They forced their way into
the workplace, extorting dues and using the money for political
contributions. Moreover, they’ve jacked up the wages of workers to
outrageous levels, thus pricing many of them out of jobs and companies
out of business.
Hostess was already in bankruptcy, and it was trying to negotiate a way to stay in business. Well, unions being the scumbags they are, said “no”. Now, you’ve got nothing. No wages. No job. Nothing.

Congratulations to the newly unemployed. You got what you voted for. You’re now part of the Obama Food Stamp Nation.

Posted by: SFC MAC at November 16, 2012 04:27 PM (TLbgU)

173 A problem with this particular business (low margin baking) - it kinda has to be done locally to be profitable. Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 16, 2012 04:25 PM (hNXHo)

True.

Looks like Texans, Louisianans and South Carolinians will soon be awash in Twinkies.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:27 PM (sbV1u)

174 Guess who wasn't willing to compromise? The union leaders/reps. They
don't mind layoffs because laid off workers can't vote these union fucks
out, on account of them being, you know, laid off.


If enough of the workers said, "F You, I want my paycheck" and crossed the picket line, what could the union leaders/reps do?

I'm sorry, but it is the workers' (collective) fault. Any worker who did not cross the picket line contributed to the problem.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:27 PM (8y9MW)

175 Bimbo is Mexican.

Notice how premier American brands are being bought by foreign ops? That's because they have more favorable business climates, something I think Paul Ryan mentioned but never made into forefront of campaign.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (WrIV3)

176 >> Promise?

Take it to the bank. It's a valuable brand, someone will pick it up.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (WvXvd)

177
I hit the Hostess outlet store early thismorning, and posted at the bottom of a dead thread, so-

Twinkie Trifle for Thanksgiving dessert!
I talked with the cashier, who is indeed union. She hadn't heard anything yet, but the truck driver said it was his last day. He suggested she get in all her paid days off, which she said she had but has more coming next week. Make that had.
There was a completely derelict old man who was completely loading up his derelict car. He said he was a farmer and that the pigs, chickens and cows would miss their Hostess food.

Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (Sptt8)

178 70
All unions are somehow bad out of this, right? That's like saying allinvestment banksare bad because of Lehman and Merrill. Stupid generalization, particularly in light of the fact that the Teamsters went to the bakers union and advised them to let go of their demands and the strike.

Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:12 PM (XC3Mz)


The difference is investment banks exist to provide a better product or service and compete on that basis; unions exist to provide a worse product or service, and compete on that.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (I2LwF)

179 Trumka knows that if it weren't for those "vulture investors" that they wouldn't have had jobs to lose

Trumka also knows that the Free Shit Army, the Occupoopers, and the Obamaphone crowd will swallow that bullshit whole

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (wwsoB)

180 I don't know about changing culture but you saw it in the 80s when we went from hippies to disco to Reagan, the culture was harsher back then, no allies at all but we did it.And I think people are sick of everything being so PC right now, everything's so polished. The only non-pc outlets are tarantino movies, torture pr0n, and Tosh.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:24 PM (WrIV3)


--------------------------------------------------


Please don't be wagering any money on this statement.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (Mb6YF)

181 Maybe Sarah Lee will step in.

****

Maybe.


Little Debbie already has tastier versions of all their items.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (piMMO)

182 Live by the union, die by the union. Lucky for me, I never liked Twinkies. Little Debbie kicks their ass.

Posted by: Chris M at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (4lyMJ)

183 New Hotness = It's Romney's Fault (Patent Pending)

If the mainstream GOP can't mock that then we're lost.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (WrIV3)

184 Think about this: somewhere over 5000 employees (less than a 3rd) refused to accept a deal MANDATED BY THE COURTS. Because of their illegal strike (but who was going to prosecute?), now 18,500 people will be out of work.

You know what I call that?

AWESOME.

Ball dipping awesome as a matter of fact.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (sbV1u)

185 Sigh. Should have known the 'Bimbo' part would get the attention and not the 'Teamsters tried to take them over', bless yer hearts...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (GBXon)

186 Would be great if all the unionistas who got fired committed holiday suicide.....

Posted by: trump at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (M7Awp)

187 I have absolutely no sympathy. 18,500 people are losing their jobs and it's entirely their own fault


From earlier it was 30% (5700 ppl) that were unionized and acted like dicks. Did something change that made the rest of them responsible as well?

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (UZQM8)

188 Toby beat me to it at 51.

I'm old but still quick.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (QupBk)

189
hey, Stuckey's,


watch yer ass

Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (jUytm)

190 If enough of the workers said, "F You, I want my paycheck" and crossed the picket line, what could the union leaders/reps do?

Beat them over their heads with iron pipes.

And that's not a joke.

Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (7vSU0)

191 Don't worry stoners. The creditors will sell the names and recipes for Twinkies etc to a non-union shop.

Posted by: forest at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (7RBBe)

192 How the hell does the company that makes Twinkies go out of bankrupt in the first place?

Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (doBIb)

193 Would be great if all the unionistas who got fired committed holiday suicide.....


****

No.

It would not.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (piMMO)

194 151 -

With all due respect, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (TOk1P)

195 Soona, have no idea. But everything is so polished and PC. Even depictions of excess...see the Tom Cruise character in Rock of Ages.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (WrIV3)

196 Because of their illegal strike (but who was going to prosecute?),

I don't know about you, but I think they're about to receive worse punishment than anything the courts would have been able to dish out.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (GBXon)

197 Essentially my family is getting strongly pushed out of our parish school, mainly because we're weird.

School is very, very conservative Catholic. Big, openly Conservative/Republican. It hasn't made it a very nice environment for us. They are stereotypically judgmental and rigid.

It's always bad, but today was WORSE.

I can't really go into detail, but again, it touched on a big problem culturally for the conservative movement. I find it hard to have a home there, IRL, where I am currently living. I'm sure it wouldn't be the same somewhere else, but here - I don't like "our side."

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (J6kXj)

198 141 By the way, did you know that Susan Rice is black? I don't watch TV news. But then I saw a picture of her.

Still wasn't sure, actually.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 16, 2012 04:16 PM (T0NGe)

I think their future hinges on the legalization of Pot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (3Y7RV)

199 From earlier it was 30% (5700 ppl) that were unionized and acted like dicks. Did something change that made the rest of them responsible as well?

Yeah, the ones that weren't striking but not crossing the picket line in solidarity? Yeah, same fucking thing.

Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (7vSU0)

200
Hang in there BlackOrchid, almost all conservatives feel they are under attack too, usually from liberals, so defense mechanisms and all that. Just talk to them, you'll discover they probably think you are on the other side.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (3BbLJ)

201 "... only the union laborer is deserving ..." This was expressed far more succinctly by the organizer in the movie "Matewan," talking to the coal miners about the mine owner: "You work; he doesn't!"

The major mistake employees make is they think their jobs _belong_ to them. In truth, the jobs belong to the employer, not the employee. If an employee wants to _own_ something, he has to build his own company.

But you'll never be able to sell that truth to spoiled, miseducated 21st-century Americans. We're doomed.

Posted by: gp at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (mk9aG)

202 Did something change that made the rest of them responsible as well?

Well, since all unions are Economic Terrorist Organizations: being a member of a union didn't help.

(Only partially kidding)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (8y9MW)

203 From earlier it was 30% (5700 ppl) that were unionized and acted like dicks. Did something change that made the rest of them responsible as well? Posted by: cajun carrot at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (UZQM

Yes.

They refused to cross the picket line.

Thereby also being complicit in the demise of the Twinkie.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (sbV1u)

204 oh yeah, IIRC, hostess and other American companies are being reformed in Canada.

America is now a hostile business climate so...no more business.

And the GOP...dun dun dun...needed to capitalize on that.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (WrIV3)

205 That's my last Twinkie painted on the wall,
Looking as if she were alive. I call
That bread a Wonder, now: The Union's hands
Worked busily a day, and there she stands.

Posted by: Elizabeth Barrett Browning's husband at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (DrC22)

206
From Ace's quoted text:

" Trumka said in a public statement. “Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price.”"

I hate that phrase...'crony capitalism'.
It was created by the leftist progs, to demonize capitalism.

It hurts my ears when I hear conservatives like Palin and Malkinuse this phrase.

It's not the fault of Capitalism, when cronyism occurs.
Cronyism is the opposite of 'survival of the fittest' free market principles.
Cronyism is favoritism...sort of like affirmative action.

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (ICEh3)

207
The only part that bothers me about the Hostess liquidization is Little Debbie.
Remember when Michael Moore claimed the Right Wing was trying to kill him? One blog commenter, maybe on this board,admitted that the Right wing had a hit person that had been trying for years to do Michael Moore in. Her name was Little Debbie.
Funniest shit ever!

Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (VDovR)

208 Will there still be Snowballs?

Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 04:32 PM (Pdnm2)

209
The last run-in we had with Richard Trumpka is when he kept saying "I want you inside ma belly!"
We thought he was kidding.
Five of us went missing that day.

Posted by: Keebler Elves at November 16, 2012 04:32 PM (1PE/J)

210 The only part that bothers me about the Hostess liquidization is Little Debbie.


****

What does Little Debbie have to do with it?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:32 PM (piMMO)

211 Sarah Lee is a dirty dirty whore.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:32 PM (QupBk)

212 Unions are racist.

If you are being paid $25/hr and somebody's willing to work for $20/hr, you are causing him to starve.

It's all about keeping the unconnected out of the labor market.

Unions are about labor vs. labor.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (T0NGe)

213
The union leaders are perfectly satisfied with 18,500 people losing their jobs before the holidays. They are expendable toward their goals.

The SCOAMTT is headed to hang out with Putin to no doubt work out plans for our workers paradise.

Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (Sptt8)

214 And Richard Trumka wants you to know it's because of "Bain-like" policies. Such as owners wishing to make a profit on their companies, and not simply operate them as public charities for the benefit of the unions and the pension operations.


Yup. Seriously, this is what nearly everyone I know on the Left believes, deep down. Sure a profit is nice, but that's not what a business is for. A business is to give people meaningful work that enriches their live while still providing a healthy work life balance and contributing something that enriches the world.


It makes me want to get more kereosene.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (VtjlW)

215 How the hell does the company that makes Twinkies go out of bankrupt in the first place?

Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 04:30 PM (doBIb)


Insane union work rules and unrealistic contracts. Of course, those contracts were forced on them since Hostess would have had to close down much earlier if they hadn't been signed ... but that's only thanks to our courts forcing this shit on companies.

Unions are the original domestic terrorists. They have always gone to violence as one of their main weapons (and never been held to account) and have long threatened uninvolved third parties in order to settle court-forced negotiations companies had to participate in with them. They should all die horrible, painful, humiliating deaths.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (X3lox)

216 Beat them over their heads with iron pipes.


I'd believe that if it were Trumpka and his teamsters. Somehow I don't see it from the Bakers, Confectioners, Tobacco Growers, and Mill Workers.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (8y9MW)

217 211 Sarah Lee is a dirty dirty whore.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:32 PM (QupBk)

Yes she is and I love dirty, dirty whores.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (3Y7RV)

218 Wait until we have a new wave of blue state municipalities that can't come up with any more scratch for their public unions, and no matter how much they scream and riot, the money just isn't there

Anyone want to start a pool on which city is the next to go tits up because they couldn't say no to the unions?

My money is on Oakland California

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:34 PM (wwsoB)

219 >> From earlier it was 30% (5700 ppl) that were unionized and acted like dicks. Did something change that made the rest of them responsible as well?

Not exactly, the bakers union is the 2nd largest within Hostess, almost 6000 members. The Teamsters were the larger one, around 8000 (Hostess was "self-distributing" so they had a shitload of drivers and warehouse workers).

The Teamsters struck a deal with Hostess and all but screamed at the Bakers to do the same. Some Teamsters crossed the picket lines, a lot didn't.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 04:34 PM (WvXvd)

220 I wonder how much a govt Twinkie would cost to produce.

Remember that Amtrak story a few months ago about how their cost on a $9 hamburger was $16? (and that was A-O-K)

I guess they could make it up with volume.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:34 PM (zpqa2)

221 The problem is that if Alex happened today, he'd
meet with some sort of tragic accident, and the show would continue on
with a new actor/villain.


Posted by: Meiczslaw
............
You're probably right..


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 16, 2012 04:34 PM (f9c2L)

222 If Hostess would only listen to culture.

If only.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:34 PM (bb5Af)

223
Isn'tthe Twinkie a staple food for doomsday preppers?

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 04:34 PM (AW9md)

224
Dick Gephart was one of the vulture capitalists who invested in the turnaround of Hostess. Thepoor suckers not part of the baker's union who lost their jobs anyway were union, just a different union.




The story just keeps getting better.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:34 PM (1Y+hH)

225 Soona, have no idea. But everything is so polished and PC.

The heads of program development at the 3 alphabet networks and Fox (not Fox News) are young feminist women. That goes a long way towards explaining why e.g. Leverage could only happen on cable. (And I'm still not sure how Person of Interest made it onto the air).

Posted by: Ian S. at November 16, 2012 04:34 PM (B/VB5)

226 Looks like Texans, Louisianans and South Carolinians will soon be awash in Twinkies.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:27 PM (sbV1u)


-------------------------------------------


Why the owner and the investors didn't move this operation to a right-to-work state is indicative of perhaps bad decisions by the owner and investors also.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (Mb6YF)

227 The major mistake employees make is they think their jobs _belong_ to them. In truth, the jobs belong to the employer, not the employee. If an employee wants to _own_ something, he has to build his own company.

But the employee has amazing power.

He has the power to quit.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (T0NGe)

228 Some one said, "may they move their company to a right to work state..."

Like Virginia.

They will be staffed with illegals in a matter of minutes.

Posted by: Barakatemydog at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (qBLA2)

229 I'd believe that if it were Trumpka and his teamsters. Somehow I don't
see it from the Bakers, Confectioners, Tobacco Growers, and Mill
Workers.


****

The "brotherhood" stands together.

There were also teamsters employed there and despite having resolved their ow contract issues, would still stand beside their brethren.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (piMMO)

230 Pssssst.... newsflash, Trumka... the election is over. Your boy won. You can stop campaigning against Romney anytime now.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (3sZO1)

231 KEROSENE
http://tinyurl.com/cmhkl89

Posted by: Big Black at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (Pdnm2)

232 190 If enough of the workers said, "F You, I want my paycheck" and crossed the picket line, what could the union leaders/reps do?

Beat them over their heads with iron pipes.

And that's not a joke.
Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM (7vSU0)


Damn right they will.

What, .....is this not a known?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:36 PM (bb5Af)

233
Hostess closed down.
Hardest hit-Michael Moore
He won't be able to two-fist Ding-Dongs into his open maw anymore.

Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 04:36 PM (VDovR)

234 Beat them over their heads with iron pipes.



I'd believe that if it were Trumpka and his teamsters.
Somehow I don't see it from the Bakers, Confectioners, Tobacco Growers,
and Mill Workers.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (8y9MW)

Rolling pins?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:36 PM (zpqa2)

235 Seriously, this is what nearly everyone I know on the Left believes, deep down. Sure a profit is nice, but that's not what a business is for. A business is to give people meaningful work that enriches their live while still providing a healthy work life balance and contributing something that enriches the world. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 04:33 PM (VtjlW)

I can't even describe the pure joy I feel every morning when I get up and I remember how lucky I am to have a job in this economy.

It BLOWS. MY. MIND. that there are people out there, in THIS economy who think the world owes them something.

LET. IT. BURN.

Reality is a cruel mistress.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:36 PM (sbV1u)

236 230 Pssssst.... newsflash, Trumka... the election is over. Your boy won. You can stop campaigning against Romney anytime now.
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (3sZO1)

The election might be over but the revolution has just begun.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 04:36 PM (3Y7RV)

237 I don't like "our side."

Quick...we need a bigger tent!

Posted by: Zombie Friedrich Engels at November 16, 2012 04:36 PM (vbh31)

238 aren't all of hostess' products illegal in nyc now? maybe someone should ask bloomberg.

Posted by: glass half full at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (nxTmu)

239 Wait until we have a new wave of blue state municipalities that can't come up with any more scratch for their public unions, and no matter how much they scream and riot, the money just isn't there

There's no limit on sales tax. 100% ? 200%? Why the hell not.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (QupBk)

240 190
If enough of the workers said, "F You, I want my paycheck" and crossed the picket line, what could the union leaders/reps do?



Beat them over their heads with iron pipes.



And that's not a joke.

Posted by: MFM at November 16, 2012 04:29 PM

Actually the union threatened to fine anyone who crossed. Once the strike was over, under the rules of the contract the company would be forced to terminate anyone who didn't pay the fine or were delinquent in their union dues

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (wwsoB)

241 Wow its getting hard to listen to just about anything nowadays. Even talk radio.. I usually agree and like Michael Medved, but for one, he doesn't forcefully shame and disgrace unserious guests. (He had on a professor last week who truthfully thought Obama was sent by god, and that whites were all racists), and also, 80% OF HIS CALLERS ARE BLACK. Not a problem per se, but they are all crazed Obama zombies who hold the most preposterous views on reality that its very hard to listen to. (We've got a permanent class of people who think its their right to sit on the couch and not work, and call talk radio and let the world in on their knowledge of the economy.. haha yeah, technology kills jobs.) THIS IS A PROBLEM.

Its actually easier to listen to coast to coast, and laugh at alien cultists because they aren't doing any harm

Posted by: At the end of my rope at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (YAGzS)

242 Why the owner and the investors didn't move this operation to a
right-to-work state is indicative of perhaps bad decisions by the owner
and investors also.


As someone else said, they were "self distributing." That means they had to have Union Workers Employees, because they wanted to operae in union areas, too.

They're based in Irving, TX.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (8y9MW)

243 May they move all operations to a Right-to-Work state and remain profitable for evermore.



A problem with this particular business (low margin baking) - it kinda has to be done locally to be profitable.


One of the plants they had already closed was in Indianapolis. Indiana has been RTW since the Bush Era.

(Mullet! http://is.gd/0gw70p)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, outlier at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (/kI1Q)

244 Sigh. Should have known the 'Bimbo' part would get the attention and not the 'Teamsters tried to take them over', bless yer hearts.

I saw that part, but who doesn't want to get their fingers in a sticky Bimbo?

Posted by: fluffy at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (3SvjA)

245 So what's the ObamaPhone lady gonna buy with her food stampsnow?

Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (wAQA5)

246
Not exactly, the bakers union is the 2nd largest within Hostess,
almost 6000 members. The Teamsters were the larger one, around 8000
(Hostess was "self-distributing" so they had a shitload of drivers and
warehouse workers).


*****

they also used contractors to deliver local routes so the majority of their Teamsters drivers would have been linehaul.

They should have moved to intermodal transport long, long ago.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:38 PM (piMMO)

247
The real mystery is how did Tobacco growers get lumped into the same union as bakers, confectionery workers and grain millers?

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 04:38 PM (AW9md)

248 The stupid is SOOO strong. It is just not worth commenting on.


This guy is brain dead, like the rest of the Obama supporters.


We are SOOO fucked.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 16, 2012 04:38 PM (t8d2s)

249 Why the owner and the investors didn't move this
operation to a right-to-work state is indicative of perhaps bad
decisions by the owner and investors also.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:35 PM (Mb6YF)

There are Hostess bakeries throughout the country. It is a geographically-distributed business. (was)

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:38 PM (zpqa2)

250 damn.
Albini had it going on.

Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 04:38 PM (Pdnm2)

251 I can't believe you people are upset about TWINKIES when you really should be concerned about RICE

Posted by: Marcia Fudge at November 16, 2012 04:39 PM (DrC22)

252 I believe his birth name is actually "Richard Blumpkin"

Posted by: BuckIV at November 16, 2012 04:39 PM (gedHR)

253 245 So what's the ObamaPhone lady gonna buy with her food stampsnow?
Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 04:37 PM (wAQA5)

Weed at 60 cents on the dollar. Duh...

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 16, 2012 04:39 PM (3Y7RV)

254 101 ---"The purpose of a union in modern America is to (a) subsidize the lazy (b) protect the incompetent and (c) get as much money as possible for as little work as possible regardless of the economics involved in remaining in business."

Go ahead, show me one example otherwise.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:17 PM (sbV1u)

Well, in all fairness, the unions also have the higher purpose of promoting the power and fortunes of the union leaders. Heh.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 04:39 PM (C8mVl)

255 I can't believe you people are upset about TWINKIES when you really should be concerned about RICE Posted by: Marcia Fudge at November 16, 2012 04:39 PM (DrC22)

Marcia can go Fudge herself.

With a pineapple.

Sideways.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (sbV1u)

256 this trumka guy is the guy who blew off murder of line crosser, saying you play with matches, you get burned.

but let's worry about Todd Akin embarassing our side.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (WrIV3)

257 Weed at 60 cents on the dollar. Duh...


****

And the rising cost of food is not figured into the consumer basket.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (piMMO)

258 Isn't Trumka like the guy who was trapped in a burning car wreck, gets pulled out by a good samaritan, then sues the guy who saved his life because he was badly injured in the rescue?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (wwsoB)

259 31
"HA! Jokes on you Ace! The government will bail them out now!"



Hostess is definitely too big to fail. America's vital twinkie supply must not be jeopardized.

Posted by: Jordan at November 16, 2012 04:04 PM (jRfn3)

We can always raid Rosie O's strategic reserve.

Posted by: Flounder at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (Kkt/i)

260 197 -

I am going to assume whatever difference exists between you and the rest of your parish school parents, the problem is not that they are "very conservative."

Unfortunately, there is a significant amount of intolerance from Catholics and Christians, when it comes to certain things, but that is because they are fallible humans, NOT because they are conservative Christians.

It can and often does happen anywhere you gather more than a few people. I'm sorry it's happening where you are.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (TOk1P)

261 who think the world owes them something

When you distill the problems down to individual points, this is one of them.

Dad used to pound me with this when I was kid. Once I got a job, it was pretty crystal clear. Then again, we didn't have X-box.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (bb5Af)

262 No more Twinkies? I can't believe that fucking Obama. He'll bail out those idiots at GM but not Hostess. That's the last time I give him some tongue!!

Posted by: Chris Christie Thought Bubble at November 16, 2012 04:41 PM (DrC22)

263 Yup, it's not cost effective to bake cupcakes in Texas and deliver em to the West coast, northeast, etc. Closer outfits will kill you on trans costs.

Similar to theCoca Cola bottlers network. When your customers are tens of thousands of c-stores, grocery stores and other retail outlets, you have to produce geographically close (regions)

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 04:41 PM (WvXvd)

264 From earlier it was 30% (5700 ppl) that were unionized and acted like dicks. Did something change that made the rest of them responsible as well?
Posted by: cajun carrot at November 16, 2012 04:29
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Wow. I can't believe it was only 5700 union thugs. That means 5700 people put 12,800 innocent people out of a job. I'd be pissed at those union workers if I were them...no job, no wonder bread...and no Twinkies.

Posted by: Seamus McBoogie at November 16, 2012 04:41 PM (PALjS)

265 258 Isn't Trumka like the guy who was trapped in a burning car wreck, gets pulled out by a good samaritan, then sues the guy who saved his life because he was badly injured in the rescue?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (wwsoB)


...and wasn't union.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:41 PM (bb5Af)

266 Come on Richard Trmpka,

CHOKE ON A FUCKING HAM SANDWICH ALREADY YOU FAT GREEDY FUCK!

I have a gallon of piss with your tombstone's name on it.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:42 PM (ovpNn)

267 (And I'm still not sure how Person of Interest made it onto the air).


JJ Abrams can pretty much do whatever the fuck he wants. And, eventually, he does!


Oh JJ, I do adore you in all your ADHD cutting the meth with adderall to the lens flare awesomeness.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 04:42 PM (VtjlW)

268 [Well, in all fairness, the unions also have the higher purpose of promoting the power and fortunes of the union leaders. Heh. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 04:39 PM (C8mVl)

This is true, which you realize as soon as you see this.

http://tinyurl.com/39eqr6h

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:42 PM (sbV1u)

269 I heard that Big Tobacco is gearing up to make pot cigs. Anybody seen anything about that? Because if Big T gets on board, they are a powerful lobby.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (1Y+hH)

270 Let them eat cake?

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (6H6FZ)

271 The difference is investment banks exist to provide a better product or service and compete on that basis; unions exist to provide a worse product or service, and compete on that.Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 16, 2012 04:28 PM (I2LwF) >>>
>>
>
Investment banks exist solely to generate invesment profit, which is not a product, since it isn't manufactured. Labor orgnaization emerged out of child labor, terminal wage slavery and hazardous working conditions. I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations. I guess the American working-class don't really matter to some people. Maybe that's why there are unions.

Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)

272 Sorry if this has already been posted but.....


Petition wants Obama to save Twinkies




A new White House petition wants President Obama to nationalize the "Twinkie industry," saving the popular junk food from possible extinction.

"We the undersigned, hereby request Barack Obama to immediately Nationalize the Twinkie industry and prevent our nation from losing her sweet creamy center," a petition on the White House "We the People" website requests.


http://tinyurl.com/d942jzc

Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (X6akg)

273 269
I heard that Big Tobacco is gearing up to make pot cigs. Anybody seen
anything about that? Because if Big T gets on board, they are a powerful
lobby.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (1Y+hH)

The next four years of Obama will pretty much guarantee we will all need to smoke a joint to deal with the shit of daily life in EUmerica

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (ovpNn)

274 who think the world owes them something ...

Dad used to pound me with this when I was kid. Once I got a job, it was pretty crystal clear. Then again, we didn't have X-box. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (bb5Af)


My Dad used to pound me with it too.

The Army made sure the lesson took.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (sbV1u)

275 These people are the worst. They won, yet continue to take shots at Romney. Classy.

Posted by: Lurker who always comes to the thread late at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (xfWVe)

276 Actually the union threatened to fine anyone who crossed. Once the
strike was over, under the rules of the contract the company would be
forced to terminate anyone who didn't pay the fine or were delinquent in
their union dues


Not to mention finding their tires slashed and windows smashed at quitting time. Or worse.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (SY2Kh)

277 There are many people, even many who call themselves conservatives, who think that someone somewhere was tasked with the responsibility to create a job for them - at the salary and terms they want and in the location they desire. If I were a debate moderator, my one and only question would be "Where do jobs come from?" and upon getting an unsatisfactory answer I would press the button that opens the trap door.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (nZvGM)

278 I can picture Trumka atop Lenin's tomb waving at the masses.

Posted by: Doly Madison's Cookie at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (1PE/J)

279 You know, I'm actually encouraged by this development, in a "Let the fucker burn" sort of way. Long term we are actually going to win this fight with the left for one reason, their ideas *don't fucking work*, at all. If socialism worked even a little bit, we'd be screwed.

It might take a while, and it might take a total collapse, but this isn't over by a long shot. Let it burn!

Posted by: DanInMN at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (QVdlh)

280 Zero Hedge had a great piece on this. Except this Bain was run by a stinkin DEMOCRAT.....

Can't let that out of the box, can we....

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (tVTLU)

281
I like Person of Interest a lot, or, as I call it: The Mumbler and The Gimp.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (jUytm)

282 272, Petition wants Obama to save Twinkies..
***
So, can we expect a petition to save the New York Jets from themselves.

Posted by: IC at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (a0IVu)

283 269 I heard that Big Tobacco is gearing up to make pot cigs. Anybody seen anything about that? Because if Big T gets on board, they are a powerful lobby.
Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (1Y+hH)


If I were them, so would I.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (bb5Af)

284 The next four years of Obama will pretty much guarantee we will all need to smoke a joint to deal with the shit of daily life in EUmerica
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (ovpNn)Hell the last 4 did that. Where's the heroin?

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (1Y+hH)

285 And again we see the power that 1-10% can exert upon the herd. Lemmings are pretty cute little things, but people should not try to act like lemmings! Bozo is alive and well and living without a twinkie!

Posted by: and irresolute at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (DBH1h)

286 Labor orgnaization emerged out of child labor, terminal wage slavery and hazardous working conditions. I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations.

You do know that the UAW was formed because Henry Ford was going to hire black people, right?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2012 04:46 PM (4+LTj)

287 "Where do jobs come from?" and upon getting an unsatisfactory answer I would press the button that opens the trap door. Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (nZvGM)

Whachu talkin' 'bout cracka?!?! They come from same place I got dis' 'Bamaphone!

Posted by: LaQuanIsha TyRonA Washington at November 16, 2012 04:46 PM (sbV1u)

288 There are Hostess bakeries throughout the country. It is a geographically-distributed business. (was)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:38 PM (zpqa2)


--------------------------------------------


So if this was just a localized bakery, why would shutting this particular site down affect the whole company? Can't twinkies be made at other Hostess bakeries?

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:46 PM (Mb6YF)

289 278
I can picture Trumka atop Lenin's tomb waving at the masses.


Posted by: Doly Madison's Cookie at November 16, 2012 04:45 PM (1PE/J)

I have a much easier time picturing him choking to death in a pool of his own vomit wearing shitstained underoos with kiddie porn playing on his tv when the cops show up.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:46 PM (ovpNn)

290 RE: Pot

Here in WA where pot legalization just passed, the state Liquor Control Board announced it will be overseeing things. This is funny because last year the voters voted to end the state's monopoly on booze.

One of the facts that came out during the booze thing was that the state employed control board 'marketing managers'. For a monopoly.

You can't make this stuff up. I wonder what the pot marketing campaigns will look like...

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:46 PM (zpqa2)

291
@130

Exactly! My husband is now unemployed thanks to fucking Frank Hurt. The vote the BCTGM said they let their members voice be heard? My husband got exactly 1 day notice of where to go vote on the wage concessions. We had to forgo a trip up to the mountains to go hiking so he could go vote FOR the concessions.
Please people, not all Union Members are scum. Union membership was required for employment. NOT his choice. Neither of us voted for the fucktard in office and did not ask for this, but when you live in Vegas and the unemployment rate is 12% and it was a somewhat decent paying job you take what you can get.

Posted by: Agent P at November 16, 2012 04:46 PM (fPmeR)

292 Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)

Go crawl back under your rock, you retard.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 04:47 PM (X3lox)

293 I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations



Just like a liberal. So detached from reality they think we're still living in the 1800's. CHAINZ!!!!11!1!

Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 04:47 PM (/YJYi)

294 Investment banks exist solely to generate invesment profit, which is not a product, since it isn't manufactured. Labor orgnaization emerged out of child labor, terminal wage slavery and hazardous working conditions. I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations. I guess the American working-class don't really matter to some people. Maybe that's why there are unions.Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz) LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!A bank makes a loan, the company uses the money to turn the company around, making a profit, the company then pays off the loan over time and the bank makes a profit off the interest, which in turn allows them to give out more loans.An investment banker works just as much as a trucker.Plenty of folks can drive a truck, there are a lot less people in the world who are qualified to know what is a safe investment.Let's call "working class" for what it is: The bigotry of low expectations from blue collar workers.

Posted by: Nate at November 16, 2012 04:47 PM (i3OIF)

295 C'mon guys... it takes a really highly skilled union baker to stand around and watch the machine spit out Twinkies and Donettes all day.

Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 04:47 PM (wAQA5)

296
I found out after the election that the Vietnamese couple whose child I carpool in exchange for manicures voted for the SCOAMTT.
Today I educated their little boy on how the unions took down Hostess.
I wonder how they would like to have their sweatshop, uh, er, salon unionized?
And coming from a fricking Communist country! And attending Mass religiously?!?

Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 04:47 PM (Sptt8)

297
I buying stock in the first tobacco company to start selling pot.

Easy money, baby.

Let it burn, heh.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:48 PM (1Y+hH)

298 Trumka looks like he's been stuffing Twinkies in his mouth and up his ass at the same time.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 04:48 PM (6H6FZ)

299
I heard that Big Tobacco is gearing up to make pot cigs. Anybody seen anything about that?

Big Tobacco is gearing up for three billion new smokers in China and India

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 04:48 PM (AW9md)

300 Did anyone else just see Liz Wiehl losing her FUCKING MIND on Cavuto?

She was arguing...ARGUING...that the non-union Hostess workers have a case for suing Hostess.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:48 PM (piMMO)

301 The union rejected the opportunity to join management, too. Not real smart.

This morning I told the story of how one of my neighbors, who is one wealthy mofo, sold his company which was involved in an every day necessity. He had to personally back the sale so he watched carefully what was transpiring. The company experienced tough times and was sold. The new owners didn't do much better and as a concession, and to retain employees, gave them stock. They worked harder, and eventually got sold to a bigger company. So how did the employees do that made concessions? They became overnight millionaires.

Probably wouldn't have happened with Hostess, because of the number of employees involved. They would have had to 'settle' for maybe keeping their jobs and picking up an extra 100k somewhere down the road when Michelle packed for Hawaii and the market for junk food returned to pre-0bama levels.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 16, 2012 04:48 PM (feFL6)

302
The best part about Richard Trumka is that a writer would never consider creating a character that so stereotypical.

You could literally, not make him up.

Posted by: MJ, channeling Joe Biden at November 16, 2012 04:48 PM (TR60b)

303 Labor orgnaization emerged out of child labor, terminal wage slavery and hazardous working conditions. I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations. I guess the American working-class don't really matter to some people. Maybe that's why there are unions. Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)

I just have to ask, since you're all for retaining vestigial organs that have lost their original purpose...

So...do you still have a pre-hensile tail?

You act like OSHA, MSHA, EBSA, PBGC and all these other agencies government labor watchdogs don't even exist. Instead, you think unions perform all these functions.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (sbV1u)

304 274 who think the world owes them something ...

Dad used to pound me with this when I was kid. Once I got a job, it was pretty crystal clear. Then again, we didn't have X-box. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:40 PM (bb5Af)

My Dad used to pound me with it too.

The Army made sure the lesson took.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:44 PM (sbV1u)


Did it ever. After about 6 mos. in service, suddenly, Dad was a genius.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (bb5Af)

305
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)


It's been hours since I've read anything that stupid.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (1Y+hH)

306 Oh, and O/T, ArsTechnica has another look at the Orca fiasco ... no, that is too kind of a word, fiasco, soI'll call it a clusterfucz like everyone else. Article title: Inside Team Romney's whale of an IT meltdown.

Posted by: and irresolute at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (DBH1h)

307 at drudge:

"Audience member vomits over balcony at Broadway play..."


It's Friday. Had to lol at somethin.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (5Hk3U)

308 I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations


*****

I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)

309 "I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws"

damn and here I was planning to repeal all that

Posted by: The Nefarious Mitt Romney at November 16, 2012 04:50 PM (60GaT)

310 Jen Exer... finally, have we found the missing Curious???

Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 04:50 PM (TOk1P)

311 Closed-shop unions violate the first and thirteenth amendments.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 16, 2012 04:50 PM (T0NGe)

312 So...do you still have a pre-hensile tail?


I want a pre-hensile tail. I would use it for good.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 04:50 PM (VtjlW)

313 293
I like the 40 29.5 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations



Fixed it for you since you havent heard about Obamacare recently

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:50 PM (ovpNn)

314 She was arguing...ARGUING...that the non-union Hostess workers have a case for suing Hostess.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
---

Gonna sue citing the Milly Bedwetter precedent, no doubt.

Posted by: sTevo at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (VMcEw)

315 Serious question: what does Trumpka mean by crony capitalism?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (QF8uk)

316 Union men on strike...they're down on their luck its true....so true.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (PALjS)

317 Greatest joke I heard pre-election:

Hurricane Sandy approaches, Governor Christie sets up emergency response homebase at Golden Corral....

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (tVTLU)

318 It's Friday. Had to lol at somethin.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (5Hk3U)

Oh, come on!! What play???

Posted by: and irresolute at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (DBH1h)

319 122 Hostess goes Galt.


Yup , Hostess Shrugged

Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (A0OHH)

320 Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)


Are you really this dumb? Do you really think the investment companies can just buy and sell companies like trading cards, and the companies increase in value by some magic?

No, you idiot. The investment company works to make the company more efficient (sometimes through efficiency consultants of various stripes, sometimes by reorganization, and so forth). Once the purchased company is more efficient, they start generating a profit that the investment company pockets.

But if you think that efficiency doesn't provide value, you're an idiot.

As for the "rise of labor movement," you're not completely wrong, but you're not as right as you think you are. All of those things where already changing before unions gained wide acceptance. Indeed, the wide acceptance of unions was as much an indication of the change as anything else. Certainly by the time association unions (AFL, CIO, etc) came into existence, any "work" needed from the unions had already been accomplished.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (8y9MW)

321 I bet Obama-branded choom cigarettes would be a hot-seller.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (zpqa2)

322 "302
The best part about Richard Trumka is that a writer would never consider creating a character that so stereotypical. "

*ahem*

Posted by: Ayn Rand at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (sgNEe)

323 Is it any good post-hensile?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (5Hk3U)

324 C'mon guys... it takes a really highly skilled union baker to stand around and watch the machine spit out Twinkies and Donettes all day.
Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 04:47 PM (wAQA5)


Crap, I could deal with no Twinkies...but no Donettes?!??!?

I demand that Obozo extort money from my fellow Americans to bail out Hostess!!!!

Posted by: Memebot at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (ggRof)

325 271

Thanks to Obamanomics, you can learn to like the 29-hour workweek too!

Posted by: Lurker who always comes to the thread late at November 16, 2012 04:52 PM (xfWVe)

326 Let's call "working class" for what it is: The bigotry of low expectations from blue collar workers. Posted by: Nate at November 16, 2012 04:47 PM (i3OIF)

Let's go further. Let's call "working class" for what it is: a group of people who expect everyone else to backstop their life decisions.

Let me caveat that a bit...I refer only to union working class.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:52 PM (sbV1u)

327 >>I want a pre-hensile tail. I would use it for good.

Always a tease.

Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 04:52 PM (Pdnm2)

328
I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)

The fuck is a 40 hour work week?When i worked on wallstreet, i worked close to 80.now that i work for myself, i work a more leisurely 70.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:52 PM (ovpNn)

329 Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)



Since your so concerned about child labor, shitty wages, hazardous working conditions how about starting with FoxCom or just pick any commie country.

Posted by: Dolly Madison's Cookie at November 16, 2012 04:52 PM (1PE/J)

330 If I were a debate moderator, my one and only question would be "Where do jobs come from?"

*blink* *blink*

*blink*

Posted by: Senator Dick Blumenthal at November 16, 2012 04:52 PM (3SvjA)

331 Union versus union.

Happy Friday!

Posted by: RWC at November 16, 2012 04:52 PM (fWAjv)

332 Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)

I love how leftists say silly shit like that while simultaneously accusing of us of living in the past.

Posted by: Country Singer (prepping for SMOD) at November 16, 2012 04:53 PM (meVGV)

333 Agent P,
Sorry to hear that. Yes, we must understand this. A lot of people are forced into unions.

We need to be the party that is for the worker and the employer, not the fucking union bosses that take everyone else's money.

That is a WINNING MESSAGE.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 04:53 PM (tVTLU)

334
I'm sure Hostess' current owners would be happy to take a big, fat check from Trumka to turn over the name and the keys and restart production under new union ownership with fatboy as the Chief Product Tester.

I will then sit back with a beer and laugh my ass off as they operate the company like monkeys flying the space shuttle.

Posted by: Jaws at November 16, 2012 04:53 PM (4I3Uo)

335 I want a pre-hensile tail. I would use it for good. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 04:50 PM (VtjlW)


I might like that if it came dressed in a leather cat-suit.

Meow.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:54 PM (sbV1u)

336 I think the administration should form a committee to look into Twinkie Gate, and get to the bottom of this vicious capitalist move!

Posted by: and irresolute at November 16, 2012 04:54 PM (DBH1h)

337
Are you really this dumb? Do you really think the investment
companies can just buy and sell companies like trading cards, and the
companies increase in value by some magic?



Yeah, he does.

Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 04:54 PM (/YJYi)

338 I love how leftists say silly shit like that while simultaneously accusing of us of living in the past.
--------------------------------
I was pretty fond of the argument that Romney was going to take us back to the 50s, but Obama was going to take us back to the 90s by going forward.

Huh?

Posted by: MJ, channeling Joe Biden at November 16, 2012 04:54 PM (TR60b)

339 I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO) I was trying to explain that to some people asking how I mostly retired at 60. I told them their 40 hour a week was for subsistence and what they did after 40 hours would be where they would acquire wealth. (I worked 7 days a week many times during my career.)They informed me they were too tired after 40 hours to do anything. Now they are almost 60 and have nothing.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 04:54 PM (1Y+hH)

340 What of Chocodiles?

Oh Jerrry...there the Best, The Best in the Whole City! The BEST!

Posted by: Paladin at November 16, 2012 04:54 PM (LTquJ)

341 You could literally, not make him up.

Posted by: MJ, channeling Joe Biden at November 16, 2012 04:48 PM (TR60b)

You could literally, not make him up. Not make him up.
FIFY

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (zpqa2)

342 I don’t think it’s quite true to say that the Bakers Union was alone; the Teamsters Union seemed to be still supporting their strike while telling them to get back to work. From the original post earlier today,

"We're hoping that the company just shuts down. Get someone else in here. We don't know if any other companies are looking and we don't know if they'll sell," Leighton said.

“Leighton”, as far as I can tell from the article, is part of the Teamsters. He’s a mechanic, so I’m guessing not part of the Bakers, but nowadays you never know.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (QF8uk)

343 Obama seems to be doing his own let it burn game.

Leave him nothing to burn, and let him deal with the refugees

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (wwsoB)

344 I cant believe Drudge is still pushing headlines about some guy named Petreus when a national twinkie crisis is unfolding.

This is why Republicans lose.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (ovpNn)

345
it was the Hostess Sno Ball that announced our arrival on stage as an advanced industial powerhouse

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (AW9md)

346 labor today is like today's femmies. Coasting on the one or two arguable accomplishments that occurred 50-100 years ago. 40 hour work week? Tell it to a lawyer or a I-banker.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (WrIV3)

347 Well if the company didn't go under now their products would have been taxed to death to get rid of fat people....somehow, I don't get the logic but FLOTUS says that's how it works.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (NzBQO)

348 {What} is a 40 hour work week?When i worked on wallstreet, i worked
close to 80.now that i work for myself, i work a more leisurely 70.


I get to work 40, now that I'm back to being a line engineer.

Being management stank. To be any good at it, I had to work 60 hours, and I didn't really get paid that much more.

Granted, it's a good thing I've gotten that experience. I'm dialing up my night job because there's a chance it'll be my day job next year. (And not because the night job surpasses the day one.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (4+LTj)

349
@291 Careful, Agent P. Ferb has been known to post here. You don't want to blow your cover.

Posted by: Lurker who always comes to the thread late at November 16, 2012 04:56 PM (xfWVe)

350 As long as there's money, and laws that allow you to beat it out of someone, there will be unions.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:56 PM (QupBk)

351 I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)


Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:56 PM (sbV1u)

352 Seriously. Chocodiles are ten times better than a Twinkie.

Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 04:56 PM (Pdnm2)

353 Hostess has been dead to me since they stopped making Banana Flips.


I hope that some Chinese company doesn't buy them because with all those single horny Chinese men, I don;t want to know what the creme filling is.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 16, 2012 04:56 PM (Ohhk6)

354 I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)



I'm totally working a job with a 40 hour week right now. Which is, of course, why I'm meeting the boss and a client and some other people for a 2-3 hour offsite meeting tomorrow morning.


The case is about issues with a roof so I said hey we are going to get to go up on the roof, right? The boss, who is aware of my gazelle like grace, stared at me and said "There is no way I am letting you go up on that roof." I was all come on, the odds of me falling off are like 60-70%. Tops.


Stupid not getting to go up on the roof.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (VtjlW)

355 303 Labor orgnaization emerged out of child labor, terminal wage slavery and hazardous working conditions. I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations. I guess the American working-class don't really matter to some people. Maybe that's why there are unions. Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)


Don't run that line of bullshit. Unions have long outlived their usefulness in fighting those problems. Speaking of 40 hr weeks, it would seem that the Lightbringer doesn't think too much of them. France, either.

Justify an bolt turner on an automotive assembly making 60-80K per year.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (bb5Af)

356 You act like OSHA, MSHA, EBSA, PBGC and all these other agencies government labor watchdogs don't even exist. Instead, you think unions perform all these functions.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (sbV1u) >>>
>>>The point is that labor organization, whether you agree it should be here or not, is bigger than just union wages. Workplace regulations didn't come out of nowhere. Representatives were lobbied -- by organized labor -- and laws were passed, then agencies were created. I think that's pretty clear.

Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (XC3Mz)

357 True story. My brother is a member of the IBEW.

When I had trouble getting health insurance (due to Obamacare causing insurance companies to avoid anyone who isn't a cash generator), know what he said?

"You should have been in a union."

This is the mentality. It's like some sort of brainwashing.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (GoIUi)

358 Isn't the old joke that you work 60hours a week and save your money so you can start your own business, to work 80hours a week and be broke?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (QupBk)

359 >> So if this was just a localized bakery, why would shutting this particular site down affect the whole company? Can't twinkies be made at other Hostess bakeries?

It was all bakeries, not just one. Company-wide strike.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (WvXvd)

360 "We're hoping that the company just shuts down.
Get someone else in here. We don't know if any other companies are
looking and we don't know if they'll sell," Leighton said.



Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM

The physical assets like the plants will be shut and liquidated. There won't be anything physical to sell

Only the brand names will go up for auction, and they buy only the brand names, not the business itself.

What part of "there ain't no more money" don't they get?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (wwsoB)

361 So this Big Labor dude, representing a mere 14% of the work force, comes out with a PR blitz to blame Repubs for the actions of unions themselves.

And what does the GOP have to say about all that?

Nothing.
Nada.
Zip.

Don't worry! Orca will save us!

Posted by: PJ at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (ZWaLo)

362 40 hour work week?>>

Didn't Henry ford start that before the unions?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (tf9Ne)

363 "There was real-life drama at Paul Rudd’s Broadway play “Grace” when an audience member who appeared drunk threw up over a mezzanine railing onto theatergoers below. “A drunk guy vomited over the railing onto about a dozen audience members seated in the orchestra, right in the middle of one of Rudd’s big monologues on Wednesday,” said one disgusted witness, adding, “There was mass chaos for several minutes, but the cast played right on through, ignoring the disruption.”'

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (5Hk3U)

364 This nation is so fucking boned.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (Mb6YF)

365 **I was pretty fond of the argument that Romney was going to take us back
to the 50s, but Obama was going to take us back to the 90s by going
forward.**

obama's closing arguments of, hey clinton didn't suck amirite? really was pathetic. Too bad no one noticed.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (WrIV3)

366 Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (tVTLU)

367 Hit Safeway today. Freezer full of Ding Dongs (no, not the North Korean missiles). Freaking Twinkies were sold out! /shakefist

Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (x3YFz)

368 You could literally, not make him up. Not make him up.Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 04:55 PM (zpqa2)

No kidding.

Make-up doesn't come in 55-gallon drums you know. How am I supposed to work with that POS? MAYBE, if he lost 150 lbs I could cover that lard in time for the show but....man....I am not a miracle worker.

Posted by: Donna, MSNBC Green Room Staff at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (sbV1u)

369 And I think I whiff Average Joe.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (QupBk)

370
315Serious question: what does Trumpka mean by crony capitalism?

I first heard that term back in the 90's...by leftists who were claiming that 'Capitalism is evil'.
It is a leftist term, created by them to imply that if it weren't for capitalism, then cronyism would not exist.

So I would imagine that is what Trumpka means, when he uses this phrase.

Conservatives are only helping the Left to demonize capitalism, when they use that phrase as though it is something valid.

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (ICEh3)

371 I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)

Sometimes i take a vacation ay and work only 32 hours.....at my regular job. Then the companies I'm trying to start in my spare time I usually only put in about 30.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (PALjS)

372 Are you really this dumb? Do you really think the investment companies can just buy and sell companies like trading cards, and the companies increase in value by some magic?


Whut.....they don't?

huh-u-huh-u-huh-u-huh....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (bb5Af)

373 Y'all want to put the 8 year olds back on the factory lines in chainz!!!1!

Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (/YJYi)

374 I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.

I did as a contractor, because that's all they would pay me for. I think the only month this year I haven't been on mandatory overtime was August.

I wouldn't call myself successful, though. Just payin' my way through life, which makes me one of life's losers in 21st century America.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, outlier at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (/kI1Q)

375 Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)

No, unions exist for the same reason the Mafia exists. Because it can. I employ 18 people. How many jobs have you created, Jen?

Posted by: Chris M at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (4lyMJ)

376 "The best part about Richard Trumka is that a writer would never consider creating a character that so stereotypical.

*ahem*Posted by: Ayn Rand at November 16, 2012 04:51 PM (sgNEe)"She's right! Even the NAME sounds like one of Rand's cooked-up villains: Cuffy Meigs, Orren Boyle, Wesley Mouch...Dick Trumka. He'd fit right in.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (FkH4y)

377 The point is that labor organization, whether you agree it should be
here or not, is bigger than just union wages. Workplace regulations
didn't come out of nowhere. Representatives were lobbied -- by organized
labor -- and laws were passed, then agencies were created. I think
that's pretty clear.


By your logic, every black person on the planet should be a Republican because they were the ones that ended slavery.

I'll wait for you to defend us to them.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (4+LTj)

378 Big gun show in OKC this weekend. I'm taking a shopping cart.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (Mb6YF)

379 ONly thing i will miss are SNo Balls and HoHOs

For those of you who are still in shock, this company is NOT going out of business and their alternative to Hostess Sno Balls are not only tastey, they are bound to become a moron favorite

http://tinyurl.com/cvjl3k3

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (ovpNn)

380
\@362

no unions predate Ford by several decades

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 05:00 PM (AW9md)

381 364
This nation is so fucking boned.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (Mb6YF)
We're going popcorn, bonfires, moving the big screen TV out to the patio and we're going to spend the next 4 years drunk.
All are welcome. BYO Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 05:00 PM (x3YFz)

382 10 years of training, then 11 hour days, half days on Saturdays, on call Saturday nights for years. Diiner with the family was the Burger King drive through. The glories of self-employment. I never complained then and I'm not complaining now. But the whole idea of working less for more money extorted from someone else would have me closing the doors so fast the breeze would blow off that fat fuck's hair piece.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 05:01 PM (6H6FZ)

383 378
Big gun show in OKC this weekend. I'm taking a shopping cart.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (Mb6YF)
I would, but after last election I have more than I can shoot even in a poorly edited movie. But, go get 'em.

Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 05:01 PM (x3YFz)

384 362 40 hour work week?>>

Didn't Henry ford start that before the unions?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (tf9Ne)


Whuuuups.....

Inconvenient fact.

Pay no attention to the man behind......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 05:01 PM (bb5Af)

385
I'm really upset at the mention of Chocodiles. I had long believed them discontinued, as I have not seen one in my city since childhood. I even told my kids about the chocolate covered twinkies I had in the good old days. You could bite the end off, dunk in milk and it would melt in your mouth.

Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 05:01 PM (Sptt8)

386 I've got to go cook dinner wingnutz! Stop trying to make those 8 year olds work 70 hours a week in chainz!!1!

Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 05:02 PM (/YJYi)

387
Oh, and snowball are better microwaved.

Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 05:02 PM (Sptt8)

388 The point is that labor organization, whether you agree it should be
here or not, is bigger than just union wages. Workplace regulations
didn't come out of nowhere. Representatives were lobbied -- by organized
labor -- and laws were passed, then agencies were created. I think
that's pretty clear.


Let's unpack this shall we?

First off, I think it's funny that lib-tards seem to like lobbying when it's for their pet causes, but when it's for things Conservatives support, lobbyists are "teh EVILLL!"

Second, why does past success require that we keep the unions around forever? Do you think robber barons are still running "company stores" where people have to rent their own equipment?

And that assumes that you're right, which you aren't. Labor organizations did lobby for labor laws- but if they were the only ones who had, nothing would have happened. The zeitgeist was already changing. People who were working with their employees instead of against them were realizing profits, and so mine and factory owners were figuring out (pretty quickly, really) that giving into these kinds of concessions just made economic sense.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 05:02 PM (8y9MW)

389 I blame Hammurabi for my HOA....

no really....well okay not really but it makes as much sense.

Screw you trumpka let it burn

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:02 PM (LRFds)

390 The point is that labor organization, whether you agree it should be here or not, is bigger than just union wages. Workplace regulations didn't come out of nowhere. Representatives were lobbied -- by organized labor -- and laws were passed, then agencies were created. I think that's pretty clear. Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (XC3M

The point is that retaining organizations that have outlived their usefulness, and destroyed more jobs than they've created in the last 50 years, is economic suicide.

We're sorry you can't see that. But thanks to the shitty education you got, it's quite common among GEN Xers. On behalf of the American people, I apologize to you, but I can't fix it here. Try reading some Friedman or Hayek and then come back and try again.

You're living in a sort of Back To The Future world. You think in order to go forward, you need to live in the past.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Donna, MSNBC Green Room Staff at November 16, 2012 05:02 PM (sbV1u)

391 I guess jen thinks fairness means eating the host.

nice work.


Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (hX8cq)

392 "She's right! Even the NAME sounds like one of
Rand's cooked-up villains: Cuffy Meigs, Orren Boyle, Wesley Mouch...Dick
Trumka. He'd fit right in.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (FkH4y)

I'm glad the book has a happy ending. Considering the fact that we're living it out and all.
Wake me when Galt gives his speech.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (zpqa2)

393 no unions predate Ford by several decades>>

This may be true but what other company offered a 40 hour work week before Ford?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-factory-workers-get-40-hour-week

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (tf9Ne)

394 Y'all want to put the 8 year olds back on the factory lines in chainz!!!1!
Posted by: Adam at November 16, 2012 04:59 PM (/YJYi)


---------------------------------------------


You're only half right. They want to put 8 year old blackgirls on the factory lines in chains.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (Mb6YF)

395 206 --- "I hate that phrase...'crony capitalism'.
It was created by the leftist progs, to demonize capitalism.
It hurts my ears when I hear conservatives like Palin and Malkinuse this phrase. "

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (ICEh3)

I HATE that too.
The proper term is "crony socialism." Capitalism, theoretically at least, is a system in which the economic and political powers are separated. It is socialism which subordinates the economy to the political power.
I use the term "crony socialism" all the time, just to raise eyebrows.....and in hopes that I will get people to think.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (C8mVl)

396 349:

What/Who is Ferb???

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (tVTLU)

397 >>I'm really upset at the mention of Chocodiles.

Racist.

Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (Pdnm2)

398 16 Brother Cavil,

Reading?

There's preaching and blaming to go on about!

//Chumpka

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:04 PM (LRFds)

399
Dave In Texas, it wasn't company wide. 12 plants were striking. My husband's plant was not. He would've crossed the picket line if it was.

349
@291 Careful, Agent P. Ferb has been known to post here. You don't want to blow your cover.
I have my fedora and am incognito.

Posted by: Agent P at November 16, 2012 05:04 PM (fPmeR)

400 Trumka knows how to piss away any sympathy the Teamsters might have got for being the "reasonable" union here.

Fuck him and the Teamsters.

Posted by: steveegg at November 16, 2012 05:04 PM (o44nj)

401
328...
The fuck is a 40 hour work week?When i worked on wallstreet, i worked close to 80.now that i work for myself, i work a more leisurely 70.

Yeah, jeremiah...most small business owners work way more than a '40 hour week'.

Peoplewho get paid only on commissions, too.
It's not uncommon for people in Sales, to work 10 hrs a day, 6 days a week.

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:04 PM (ICEh3)

402 And I think I whiff Average Joe. Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (QupBk)

ALL trolls are Average Joe

Posted by: Donna, MSNBC Green Room Staff at November 16, 2012 05:05 PM (sbV1u)

403 Don't use crony capitalism use vulture socialism

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:05 PM (LRFds)

404
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)


American unions are pikers. If you want to see the labor movement performed properly, visit Greece, France, Italy, Spain...

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 05:05 PM (1Y+hH)

405 369 -

I say Curious.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 05:05 PM (TOk1P)

406 Workplace regulations didn't come out of nowhere. Representatives were lobbied -- by organized labor -- and laws were passed, then agencies were created.

Are you aware you just made one of our points for us? (Hint: Hellish regulatory regimes are hellish)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 05:06 PM (GBXon)

407 The Teamsters only got a case of the "truths" from genuine fear...

there are no angels in the union movement.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:06 PM (LRFds)

408 also why should a Union Head make more than a union worker that actually does the work, that pays dues, so the Union head can live in a mansion ?

just being fair here.


shouldn't it be equal ?

equal justice!!

Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 05:06 PM (hX8cq)

409 This is how it will be written in the history books, isn't it? "Greedy capitalists defeat heroic union."

We are doomed.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 16, 2012 05:06 PM (P7hip)

410 Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (XC3M

Why do you union loving progressives want to take us back to the 20's?

I don't understand it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 05:06 PM (bb5Af)

411 Is it just me or has Ace become so popular lately, that it's hard to keep up with any thread? I have yet to arrive at a thread lately that isn't already AT LEAST 75 posts in....and while I'm reading those 75 posts, another 100 have been posted.


Youse guys stop it.....stop it right now.


Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 05:06 PM (X6akg)

412 404 meremortal,

That's the goal..."no"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:07 PM (LRFds)

413 Are you aware you just made one of our points for us? (Hint: Hellish regulatory regimes are hellish) Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 05:06 PM (GBXon)

Self-awareness is not an option with this model of the Axelrod2000

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 05:07 PM (sbV1u)

414 If you haven't tried a fried Twinkie you have to before you can't ... Best thing ever....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 16, 2012 05:07 PM (/L8ZW)

415 10 years of training, then 11 hour days, half days on Saturdays, on call Saturday nights for years.

Did you have to be on call on holidays, too? My dad got beeped out of every other Thanksgiving and Christmas (and school play, etc) for years.

(But remember, no other professional is as overworked and underpaid and unappreciated as teachers, because sometimes they have to grade papers after class.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, outlier at November 16, 2012 05:07 PM (/kI1Q)

416 Dick Trumpka is something you catch from a three-dollar whore.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at November 16, 2012 05:07 PM (AD6Iz)

417 268 --- (link re opulent resort for UAW leaders) I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I think I'll laugh.
How can you NOT laugh at an eternal flame for Reuther?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 05:07 PM (C8mVl)

418 31 Hostess is definitely too big to fail. America's vital twinkie supply must not be jeopardized.

--------

I'm sure El Presidente will authorize releases from the Strategic Snack Cake Stockpile to tide us over until a new firm can buy the Twinkie forges and start stamping out new cakes.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 16, 2012 05:07 PM (IrbU4)

419 409 Beckoning Chasm,

ONLY if we are in their country forcing ourselves to read their history....

Run RED.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:08 PM (LRFds)

420 Why do you union loving progressives want to take us back to the 20's? I don't understand it. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 05:06 PM (bb5Af)

Because it was the last time they didn't have to pay attention to reality.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 05:08 PM (sbV1u)

421 I blame Hammurabi for my HOA....

You wish! I'd let you brand your nosy neighbor right on the earhole.

Posted by: Hammurabi at November 16, 2012 05:08 PM (QupBk)

422 411: We're finally coming out of our torpor from last week.

Just in time to go back into torpor next week. Trypto and all.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 05:08 PM (GBXon)

423 If unions are so fantastic, Jen X, then why Card Check?

Why do they have to know the names of everyone and how they voted? Wouldn't their awesomeness sell itself?

Or do a few heads have to be cracked to get them folks to cough up those union dues that they really want

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 05:08 PM (wwsoB)

424 308
I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations


*****

I'd be willing to bet that no successful person on this blog has EVER worked a 40-hour week.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 04:49 PM (piMMO)
Niedermyer: This person is unfamiliar with the 80 hour work week that successful people actually work. Ask a rancher or a farmer about a 40 hour work week and then after you regain consciousness (not you, the idiot that "likes" the 40 hour work week) can kiss my redneck ass.

Even as a contractor I worked 50/60 hour work weeks and the pay stopped at 40 (govt. contracts... only so much money to go around, but shit still had to get done). These "40 hour work week" dumbasses have exactly ZERO clue about what it takes to succeed. They just want to collect a check and go watch American Idol and eat the last of the Twinkies.

Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 05:08 PM (x3YFz)

425 Yeah, jeremiah...most small business owners work way more than a '40 hour week'.

40 hour work week....what's that?

Posted by: Small Business Owner working on a stroke at November 16, 2012 05:09 PM (bb5Af)

426 40 hour workweek? Bah, that's for losers.

My sister's cousin's nephew's aunt told me that she makes 37897 an hour sitting at home on her computer.

IMA looking into soma that!

Posted by: sdavis at November 16, 2012 05:09 PM (njVMI)

427 Trumka proves his stupidity every time he opens his mouth

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2012 05:09 PM (1Jaio)

428 421 Hammurabi,

and crush the damn plumber under a house....

NO MERCY

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:09 PM (LRFds)

429
OK, Garrett, If Chocodiles be racist, what do you make of Zebra Cakes?
Little Debbie is the racist!!!

Posted by: Justamom at November 16, 2012 05:09 PM (Sptt8)

430 He actually has no idea what he's talking about. Crony capitalism is when business and govt. leech of each other. Company gets bailout money, buys politicians who changes laws to give them a competitive advantage. It really come down to a chicken or the egg argument. If your conservative/libertarian you probably believe that politicians are the main cause and if they were not trying to pass so much regulation there wouldn't be any cronyism. As P.J. O'Rourke says "When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators."

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 16, 2012 05:09 PM (NzBQO)

431
In off topic, non Twinkie related news, the Israeli govt just announced the call up of 75,000 reservists.

The IAF has struck nearly 700 targets in the Gaza strip so far.

Lastly, missiles are now being launched at Israel from the Sinai.

Now, back to "Twinkie-geddon: America's Nightmare, Day 1"

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 16, 2012 05:10 PM (L7hol)

432
Dick Trumpka sounds like a foreign gay porn stars name

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 05:10 PM (AW9md)

433 Ace must be writing his follow-up addendum to yesterday's "Prometheus" review.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 05:10 PM (Mb6YF)

434 my wife is not up for a Twinkie run to the local supermarket....but a run up to the Gun Show in OK City....that I might be able to talk here into...

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 16, 2012 05:10 PM (PALjS)

435 427 TQM,

He looks like Ermst fucking Rohm.....

goddamned collectivist fucks

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:11 PM (LRFds)

436 Sepsis-covered pineapples, sideways, driven in by large circus mallets are too good for these people.

But it's a start.

Posted by: t-bird at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (FcR7P)

437 Pull my finger, Dick.

Posted by: the invisible hand at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (QupBk)

438
395 206 --- "I hate that phrase...'crony capitalism'.
It was created by the leftist progs, to demonize capitalism.
It hurts my ears when I hear conservatives like Palin and Malkinuse this phrase. "

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 04:31 PM (ICEh3)


I HATE that too.
The proper term is "crony socialism." Capitalism, theoretically at least, is a system in which the economic and political powers are separated. It is socialism which subordinates the economy to the political power.
I use the term "crony socialism" all the time, just to raise eyebrows.....and in hopes that I will get people to think.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 05:03 PM (C8mVl)

-----------

Good for you, Margarita!

That's what it is too...'crony socialism'.
It's picking winners and losers, based on politics...and using Our Money to dole out favors.

Cronyism is corruption.
It has flourished under Socialism, as a way to reward political friends, and punnish political enemies.

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (ICEh3)

439 Trumpka makes himself and his other corrupt cronies rich while his union idiots are now in the soup line with their EBT. What a hypocrite asshole.

Let It Burn!

Posted by: TexBob at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (pUOpM)

440 The members of the other two unions should sue the bakersfor lost wages.

Posted by: harleycowb at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (wSTfB)

441 Exactly how long is this essay, Ace?

Posted by: garrett at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (Pdnm2)

442 ha ha ha. All you sods talkin' bout work!

Posted by: Obama Voter at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (wAQA5)

443
CHARGE!! FORWARD GOOD MEN AND WOMEN!! WE WILL NOT LET OUR TWINKIES DIE OFF WITH A WHIMPER!!!

Posted by: Captain Twinkie at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (F6KtL)

444 >>>Labor orgnaization emerged out of child labor, terminal wage slavery and hazardous working conditions. I like the 40 hour workweek, and child labor laws, and workplace safety regulations.

Great that gets you to 1970 what have they done in the last 40 years other than run decent businesses into the ground and fleece taxpayers? Talk about living on past glory.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (AjH+Y)

445
Trumka is a bleeping moron. Hostess was in a no win situation. They had acquired/inherited so many union contracts and obligations that they were inevitably doomed. They cut a deal with the Teamsters which the Teamsters members accepted. But the Bakers union members torpedoed the deal, refused to accept it, went on strike and shut down a few baking plants.
It's called f@#k your union buddies--that's how the ship went down.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (oe1aw)

446 Got a friend who is a marine dealer. At the local boat show, he had to wait 2 hours to get an extension cord plugged in because only a union electrician could do that.

Posted by: Meremortal, Let It Burn To The Ground at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (1Y+hH)

447 18500 people out of work and we still have a ding dong for president

Posted by: Chuck at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (fQjba)

448 429 -

I don't know about racist, but if you haven't had even the slightest amount of sexual arousal from the HoHo, whether you are male or female, check with your doctor.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (TOk1P)

449 I wish The Dark Knight Rises wasn't so prophetic.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (qiXMt)

450 haha 40 hour work week?
you mean unless an arrangement has been made between management and BA for needed hours

than you will be working as long as needed .. great pay though.

try going home if your shift hasn't ended.
might be construction trades have it different than a manufacturer

Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 05:13 PM (hX8cq)

451 423 KBDABear,

why because evil Bain kills workers who vote yes in secret...er uh....

Idiots....

Run Red push right to work....smash these bastards.

Wage is my job not some fat ass with a full liquor cabinet.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:13 PM (LRFds)

452 If unions are so fantastic, Jen X, then why Card Check? Why do they have to know the names of everyone and how they voted? Wouldn't their awesomeness sell itself? Or do a few heads have to be cracked to get them folks to cough up those union dues that they really want Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 05:08 PM (wwsoB)

I had this conversation with a libtard co-worker about Obamacare once. Same exact thing,

Me: "If it's so great, why do we have to force people into it? Shouldn't everyone just want it because it's awesome?"

Libtard: "It won't work if you don't mandate people do it."

Me: "This fact makes no impression whatsoever on you, does it?"

Which makes the standard prog line about how "Republicans want to tell everyone how to live" especially risible. Let's face it, leftys are the real totalitarians.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 05:13 PM (sbV1u)

453 40 hour work week?>>

Didn't Henry ford start that before the unions?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 04:58 PM (tf9Ne)


I believe you're thinking of the 5.00/day base wage that Ford instituted. Farking stroke of genius, that was. Raise wages so your employees could afford the product they built.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 05:13 PM (3sZO1)

454 449 Shoot Me,


you missed the prequel where the smart family got the fuck out of Gotham and was eating a nice dinner helping the neighbors with their spread....


fuck the Blue.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:14 PM (LRFds)

455 That's what it is too...'crony socialism'.
It's picking winners and losers, based on politics...and using Our Money to dole out favors.

Cronyism is corruption.
It has flourished under Socialism, as a way to reward political friends, and punnish political enemies.



Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:12 PM (ICEh3)

Or as 'someone' recently said.....only picks the losers.

Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 05:14 PM (X6akg)

456 More companies around America need to go Atlas Shrugged. The more the merrier. Read, "Atlas Shrugged", pages 677--680. If you want start on page 697 last 14 lines on that page and just keep reading. This explains, the strike of the people with a mind that keeps the companies going in this nation.
This woman is a prophet, nothing less and a great big bit more.

Posted by: Heltau at November 16, 2012 05:15 PM (Tp2Qu)

457 452 Sean bannion,

Yup...

Light bulbs, toilet paper, Calgon bath salts, you name it they have a plan for it...fascist bastards.


Protect freedom castrate a mooonbat

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:15 PM (LRFds)

458 Great that gets you to 1970 what have they done in the last 40 years
other than run decent businesses into the ground and fleece taxpayers?
Talk about living on past glory.>>

I have been the Radiation Safety Officer where I work for 25 years. I now have quadruple the paperwork and fees but the safety hasn't changed one bit. There has never been an incident here and none of the new rules made that happen.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 05:16 PM (tf9Ne)

459 I'm surprised Trumka didn't verbally threaten the company. This guy has blood on his hands (See the United Mine Workers and what they did in Virginia I believe to a "Scab" worker who crossed the picket lines). In that, if memory serves me correct, he said about the people abused by the Union Workers, "If you stick your hand in the flame, you'll get burned."

Yep, that's civility alright. Blame the victim for being abused.

Posted by: radioactive at November 16, 2012 05:16 PM (79KO9)

460 I blame Hammurabi for my HOA....


Goddamnit...sven.....new keyboard...FEDEX overnight.

Fuck,....I saved the monitor.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 05:17 PM (bb5Af)

461 I cannot even describe the hate I have for unions. Having them sabotage your business and threaten your family (my grandma and dad when he was a kid) to the point of them having to leave the state for two weeks leaves an impression.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 16, 2012 05:17 PM (n5+zr)

462 fuck the Blue.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:14 PM (LRFds)


-------------------------------------


Yup. (And I'm looking at you too, Ohio and Florida)

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 05:17 PM (Mb6YF)

463
396 Ferb and Agent P are from 'Phineas and Ferb', and apparently they're morons too.

Aren't they a little young for Val-U-Rite and hobo hunting?

Posted by: Lurker who always comes to the thread late at November 16, 2012 05:18 PM (xfWVe)

464
Since they failed to learn the lesson of 'The Golden Goose', the story of 'The Golden Sponge Cake' will be told as a lesson that covetous Union greed, instead of bringing prosperity, brings unemployment and poverty.

Posted by: Revised Grimm's Fairy(Not Ghey) Tales at November 16, 2012 05:19 PM (fDjqx)

465 "So the Union is going to buy the company and put all the workers back in
their old jobs with even better pay and benefits, right?"

Great comment Idaho spudboy! I love it!

Posted by: carolina at November 16, 2012 05:19 PM (/M0gK)

466 I like the 40 hour workweek,

Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:43 PM (XC3Mz)




Well ... start loving the 28 hour workweek, you blithering idiot.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 05:19 PM (X3lox)

467 It should be known as political capitalism instead of crony capitalism.

Some of our capitalists were true capitalists and others were political capitalists that used government regulation to build their business when their own efforts were not successful. He gets a lot of grief but Rockefeller was a true capitalist and his competitors were political capitalists who when they couldn't compete had the goverment intervene , improperly I might add. When Standard Oil was broken up it had less than a 45% share of the market. Which was less than what it had just a decade before. As a result prices and quality went down.

Another prime example in the Transcontinental Railroad. Look up the difference between it and the other true capitalist transcontinental line, The Great Northern owned by James Hill.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (m2CN7)

468 Raise wages so your employees could afford the product they built.
Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 05:13 PM (3sZO1)

This drives me crazy. Ford raised wages so he could retain good employees. He was having enormous turnover and it was causing productivity problems. "Raise wages so your employees can afford the product they build" is the economic equivalent of a perpetual motion machine. Why not triple them yet again so that they can buy three times as many? Why not...you see where this is going?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (nZvGM)

469
463
396 Ferb and Agent P are from 'Phineas and Ferb', and apparently they're morons too.

Aren't they a little young for Val-U-Rite and hobo hunting?

Yes, yes we are!

Posted by: Agent P at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (fPmeR)

470 461
I cannot even describe the hate I have for unions. Having them sabotage
your business and threaten your family (my grandma and dad when he was a
kid) to the point of them having to leave the state for two weeks
leaves an impression.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 16, 2012 05:17 PM (n5+zr)
Sort of makes you want to buy 55-gallon drums and a shovel, don't it?

Posted by: tangonine at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (x3YFz)

471 Look, once the money runs out and the government collapses...most of these takers are gonna starve and end up having to eat each other.

That should thin their ranks out sufficiently.

LET THE MOTHER FUCKER BURN!

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (ovpNn)

472 Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 16, 2012 05:17 PM (n5+zr)

UPS strike in 1997 showed me that unions simply create entitlement and laziness in a work force that used to be the best in the world.

We ran more efficiently with half the workers just by running the hub using management people.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (GsoHv)

473 So I'm kinda wondering if B.O. visited a Hostess factory recently.

Posted by: Ex-Solyndra employee at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (wAQA5)

474 " Hostess "villains" are actually wealthy democrats, including Dick Gephardt."

Thanks Buzz. This just gets better and better.

Posted by: carolina at November 16, 2012 05:21 PM (/M0gK)

475 Trumpka is a fat, delusional, small piece of human or animal fecal matter. IOW: a worse than worthless object or person; an object or person that holds no value or redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Posted by: avagreen at November 16, 2012 05:21 PM (WR2rX)

476

What pisses me off about Union Bosses like Trumpka...is how they get away with acting like they are 'for the people'.

That is such bullshit.

Unions are Anti-Consumer.
It is the Consumers who lose out, when product prices go up, in order to satisfy union demands.

The same with Socialism.
Socialism is Anti-Consumer as well.

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:21 PM (ICEh3)

477 or the zero hour workweek! You know!

Posted by: OBAMAFONE! at November 16, 2012 05:22 PM (x3YFz)

478 "Did you have to be on call on holidays, too? My dad got beeped out of
every other Thanksgiving and Christmas (and school play, etc) for years."

I only had to do that for a few years. In those days a rural practice meant you had to travel to five or six sites to make a living. After the about ten years, I could quit the worst of them. And I should add that I had a great time doing most of that and I literally not only have no complaints but would not change any of it.I went to some amazing remote towns where the clinic was open one day a week or two days a month. Some of the places were over a hundred miles one way. One I could have flown to a couple of times a month but it didn't work out.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 05:23 PM (6H6FZ)

479 75
So what will Barky do to try to stop the layoffs that will be happening now?
Not just at Hostess, but all across the country.

A Federal Fine for laying people off?
That won't work...companies will just pay the fine, and keep firing people.

I'm just wondering what is going through the minds of these tyrants.
We know they only think in terms of 'punish your enemies'...

What will they come up with, to try to stop the waves of layoffs?
Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 04:13 PM (ICEh3)


************

Read Atlas Shrugged. They seem to be using it as an instruction manual.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque says, Burn it ALL the fuck down! at November 16, 2012 05:23 PM (7FZst)

480 477 OBAMAFO!

Yeah nothing like having a lifestyle I would have envied in the 70s being handed to folk as theirs by birth...

OBAMAFO!

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:23 PM (LRFds)

481 Here's a story on Trumka's team building and reaching across the aisle pain he likes to inflict. http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/08/a-trumka-history-lesson-for-mrs-obama/

This is a guy who, in Illinois, said to "Kick the S*** out of every last" person who crossed the picket line.

"So, you got what's coming to you, baby! It's your fault"

Posted by: radioactive at November 16, 2012 05:24 PM (79KO9)

482 479 Boomer rednecque,

TRhe good news I don't think they have the will to finish the book....the bad news?

They want to use a movie as a how to guide and they're looking at either Soylent Green or Coma.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:24 PM (LRFds)

483 >>>The point is that labor organization, whether you agree it should be here or not, is bigger than just union wages. Workplace regulations didn't come out of nowhere. Representatives were lobbied -- by organized labor -- and laws were passed, then agencies were created. I think that's pretty clear.
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM (XC3Mz)

How typical. Arguments get blown up and switch to the old standby 'the point is...'

Translation: Shit, someone called me out on my BS, and since my position is actually false, I'm going to change the subject.

Posted by: blindside at November 16, 2012 05:26 PM (x7g7t)

484 464 --- " the story of 'The Golden Sponge Cake' will be told as a lesson...."
Posted by: Revised Grimm's Fairy(Not Ghey) Tales at November 16, 2012 05:19 PM (fDjqx)

ROFL. Good one!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 16, 2012 05:26 PM (C8mVl)

485 "Unionism seems to be animated by the religious conviction that only the union laborer is deserving to make any money whatsoever for his exertions. Everyone else -- investors, owners, taxpayers -- exists solely to donate their money to the cause of union profit."

Also, that wages should be "fair," meaning that union workers should be upper-middle class, even if they don't have great skills, replacements could be hired for half the wages, and the company isn't sufficiently profitable to sustain that. There's no connection between how profitable a company is and how much union workers think they deserve to be paid.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 16, 2012 05:26 PM (uhkWa)

486 Read Atlas Shrugged. They seem to be using it as an instruction manual.
Posted by: Boomer Redneque says, Burn it ALL the fuck down! at November 16, 2012 05:23 PM (7FZst)

If we weren't actually LIVING in it, it would be fascinating to watch.

Posted by: blindside at November 16, 2012 05:26 PM (x7g7t)

487 Where will Trumka find his fried Twinkies and boxes of DingDongs now?

Feel for the man!

Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 05:27 PM (lD8ju)

488 474 " Hostess "villains" are actually wealthy democrats, including Dick Gephardt."


Well, well, well......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 05:27 PM (bb5Af)

489 There's no connection between how profitable a company is and how much union workers think they deserve to be paid. Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 16, 2012 05:26 PM (uhkWa)

Nice gig if youse can get it, huh?

Posted by: Knuckles Milano, Teamsters Local #4 at November 16, 2012 05:28 PM (sbV1u)

490 487 TexasJew,

TJ I am fairly certain his maid or butler knows the recipe....

OBAMAFO!

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:28 PM (LRFds)

491
467 It should be known as political capitalism instead of crony capitalism.

Some of our capitalists were true capitalists and others were political capitalists that used government regulation to build their business when their own efforts were not successful. He gets a lot of grief but Rockefeller was a true capitalist and his competitors were political capitalists who when they couldn't compete had the goverment intervene , improperly I might add. When Standard Oil was broken up it had less than a 45% share of the market. Which was less than what it had just a decade before. As a result prices and quality went down.

Another prime example in the Transcontinental Railroad. Look up the difference between it and the other true capitalist transcontinental line, The Great Northern owned by James Hill.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (m2CN7)

-----------

What you have described here...is corruption.

Let's leave the word 'Capitalism' out of it, shall we?
Tying politcal favoritism to the word 'capitalism' just helps the commies who seek to demonize capitalism.

Someone who 'capitalizes' on their political connections...is not engaging in capitalism.
They are engaging in corruption.

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (ICEh3)

492 I'm going to miss the Twinkie. Another American tradition destroyed.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (Mb6YF)

493 Another American tradition destroyed by a union Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (Mb6YF)

FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (sbV1u)

494 So, funding a company to help turn it around and make it profitable (and keep people employed) is *bad*.

Walking out on them and shutting them down, costing 18k jobs, is *good*.

So, that makes Trumpka insane, right?

But then, we knew that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 05:30 PM (bxiXv)

495 488 98ZJUSMC,

You didn't know?

Oh yes it is rich the Dick Dick Gebhardt as Babs Steisand called him is a big wheel...

yup Mitt Romney as played by a former speaker of the house with Bran D tatooed to his head....

they are trying to make us fucking kulaks

Hurricane Sandy?

Mitt Romney

Economic Implosion?

Mitt Romney

Bush better send Mitt a goddamned check or servant of darkness as compensation for the break...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:30 PM (LRFds)

496 I'm going to miss the Twinkie. Another American tradition destroyed.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (Mb6YF)


Twinkies are nice, but the unions killed fucking Wonder Bread - perhaps the most American of products. More iconic than Coca Cola, I would say. Unreal.

Of course, killing white bread really gets the dems and the Indonesian super-hot.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 05:31 PM (X3lox)

497 I'll really give a shit when they burn down Mallomars.

The fuckers.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 05:32 PM (lD8ju)

498 It is amusing, in a kind of "I can see my house burning from here" kind of way, to note when these Obama supporters complain about other people engaging in cronyism.

Hypocrisy is such an inadequate word sometimes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 05:32 PM (bxiXv)

499 Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (ICEh3)
Breaking up Standard Oil was not corruption. It was government intervention. Using the government to change the marketplace.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 05:32 PM (m2CN7)

500 Yes union pay should merit at least a bank VP salary as baseline even if you are a goddamned buggy whip maker in 2012....

"because" which is in the end the main rebuttal for all their arguments...

Run RED

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:32 PM (LRFds)

501 how about those ole steel workers jobs and coal miners jobs?
union eh

yeah Unions are committed to a cause and it certainly isn't workers.

Posted by: willow at November 16, 2012 05:32 PM (hX8cq)

502 483 >>>The point is that labor organization, whether you agree it should be here or not, is bigger than just union wages. Workplace regulations didn't come out of nowhere. Representatives were lobbied -- by organized labor -- and laws were passed, then agencies were created. I think that's pretty clear.
Posted by: Jen Exer at November 16, 2012 04:57 PM

I think other people have made the point earlier, but your skull is to thick to comprehend.....the labor unions were needed in the 19th century....but with all the laws and regulations we have in the 21st century, they are really not required, they simply serve to buy big houses for those in power of the unions....and furthermore they bankrupt companies. They have certainly helped put more people out of a job than they've created....so far this century.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at November 16, 2012 05:33 PM (PALjS)

503 They'll just sell off all the equipment and move the factories down to right-to-work Texas where we eat all that shit.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 05:34 PM (lD8ju)

504 >> Dave In Texas, it wasn't company wide. 12 plants were striking. My husband's plant was not. He would've crossed the picket line if it was.

Ah, thanks for that correction. The larger issue though is that the vote to reject Hostess' offer affected the entire baker's union membership, regardless of whether they were all striking or not.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 05:36 PM (WvXvd)

505
499 Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:29 PM (ICEh3)

Breaking up Standard Oil was not corruption. It was government intervention. Using the government to change the marketplace.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 05:32 PM (m2CN7)

------------

It was a corrupt government intervention.
It was a govt. intervention brought about as a favor to political friends.

Posted by: wheatie at November 16, 2012 05:36 PM (ICEh3)

506 501 Willow,

remember when we built a LOT of ships...?

Yeah neither does the EPA or the unions...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:39 PM (LRFds)

507 I think one reason liberals want to centralize all our transportation (here's billions to build a bullet train!) is so that unions can gain a chokehold over every state.

No thanks.

Posted by: edj at November 16, 2012 05:39 PM (+QKfp)

508 507 EDJ,

they NEVER stop......

they want control so they get to set your wage whether a member or not through coercion....

I hate the left with fury.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:41 PM (LRFds)

509 504>> Dave In Texas, it wasn't company wide. 12 plants were striking. My husband's plant was not. He would've crossed the picket line if it was.

Ah, thanks for that correction. The larger issue though is that the vote to reject Hostess' offer affected the entire baker's union membership, regardless of whether they were all striking or not.

Exactly. The union gave us 24 hour notice of when/where the vote was. They said 92% of union members rejected it, but I know at the plant my husband was at, no one voted against the concessions.

Posted by: Agent P at November 16, 2012 05:43 PM (fPmeR)

510 How come this blog has no posts about the latest Israel/Paleostinian conflict?

Posted by: EP at November 16, 2012 05:44 PM (T0FzQ)

511 So will Little Debbies get a bailout?

Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 05:44 PM (lD8ju)

512 510 EP<

we keep running updates and then usually barring a HUGE development there is a summary.

Yesterday had one we'll get one soon.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 05:45 PM (LRFds)

513 If it weren't for Twinkies, Harvey Milk would have died of AIDS

Posted by: TexasJew at November 16, 2012 05:45 PM (lD8ju)

514 Is it just me or does this Trumpka fuck look a lot like Josef Stalin?

Posted by: LGoPs at November 16, 2012 05:46 PM (BJVEF)

515 My old high school girlfriend loved Twinkie filling, but not the cake.
She had some interesting ways of extracting that filling.

Ah, memories. To be young again. To be young, and in love!!!

Posted by: wth at November 16, 2012 05:53 PM (wAQA5)

516 The Teamsters are smart enough to realize that killing the host means the parasite dies too. The "bakers" apparently aren't. It could be that a Teamster has to be literate enough to pass a written driver's test, while these "bakers" just need enough brain cells to dump in a bag of mix and turn on the mixer.

Posted by: Prick Bumpkin at November 16, 2012 05:54 PM (pkkxZ)

517 "Raise wages so your employees can afford the product they build" is the economic equivalent of a perpetual motion machine. Why not triple them yet again so that they can buy three times as many? Why not...you see where this is going?
Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 16, 2012 05:20 PM (nZvGM)


I think there were fewer than 15 million people working for Ford at the time.

You're right that the 5.00/day pretty much stopped the extreme rates of turnover. But Ford's public reasoning was a look into his paternalism- he wanted his employees to afford a better way of life- and that included buying a Model T.

Ford was very much a contrarian. On one hand he was a Socialist who genuinely thought he had it all figured out. That 5.00 a day wage was just one aspect. On the other hand, he ruled his company with an iron fist- no velvet glove here- and he also very much believed that the 5.00 bought him loyalty and unquestioning subservience. Unions were one of the few subjects that would send him into an uncontrollable rage.

Also, your statement doesn't take into consideration a few things, such as although it allowed employees to buy a Model T, there was no credit easily available. That means that the usual way to buy was to save until you had the purchase price. Even at a weekly wage of 25.00 a week, this was tough. Additionally, there were not very many multi-car families at the time. Buying as you think would have happened really was unheard of. And- that wage allowed Ford employees the ability to buy other consumer items, not just a car. For many of them, a home purchase was a real possibility for the first time.

So, no. It wasn't an "economic perpetual machine". This was an honest attempt at solving two difficult problems, one internal, one external.

Like I said- a stroke of farking genius.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 05:56 PM (3sZO1)

518 Bain Capital is run by Democrats.

Posted by: crosspatch at November 16, 2012 05:59 PM (YRCZD)

519 Well ... start loving the 28 hour workweek, you blithering idiot.


****

Behold the absolutely perfect response.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 05:59 PM (piMMO)

520 519 NDH,

well it is a mark of Obama's absolute genius...if we are all forced to work two jobs neither full time 56 hours a week...

"progress!"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 06:03 PM (LRFds)

521 Ford was very much a contrarian.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 05:56 PM (3sZO1)


Which you followed by saying he was a know-it all socialist and a power-mad control freak.

Not only are they not contrary, they're both completely congruent with and common to the breed.

How is that a contradiction?

PS the left only support unions because unions support the left. And unions are expected to fold into the government "when they finally take over," so again no contradiction.

It's like you said, "on the one hand, it's a basketball. On the other hand, it's orange."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 06:03 PM (bxiXv)

522 well it is a mark of Obama's absolute genius...if we are all forced to work two jobs neither full time 56 hours a week...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 06:03 PM (LRFds)


And be fined for not having health insurance.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 06:04 PM (bxiXv)

523 UPS strike in 1997 showed me that unions simply create entitlement and
laziness in a work force that used to be the best in the world.

We ran more efficiently with half the workers just by running the hub using management people.


*****

I keep asking people, If the union is so great at watching out for the working man, then just why in the hell are you threatened with walking a line every.damn.time. contract renewal comes up?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 06:04 PM (piMMO)

524 Trumpka needs a brown shirt and a red white armband then the street-fighting Nazi thug image he so wonderfully projects will be complete.

Posted by: No rest 'til Hammersmith! at November 16, 2012 06:05 PM (4P4ww)

525 The Teamsters are smart enough to realize that killing the host means
the parasite dies too. The "bakers" apparently aren't. It could be that a
Teamster has to be literate enough to pass a written driver's test,
while these "bakers" just need enough brain cells to dump in a bag of
mix and turn on the mixer.


****

They had too learn that lesson at the expense of hundreds of thousands of jobs.

Remember Consolidated Freightways?

How about those transcontinental UPS relay-routes?

Yellow Freight? Well, the clock is ticking.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 06:07 PM (piMMO)

526 "315 Serious question: what does Trumpka mean by crony capitalism?"

Serious answer: I have no idea, and I doubt Trumka does, either. I went back to the Teamster site for his original statement, and he makes absolutely no effort to justify that claim, he just states it.

Posted by: Socratease at November 16, 2012 06:10 PM (iVBDH)

527
I like "unicornism".
Let's start calling liberalism or progressivism "unicornism," the belief in mystical entities that, of course, do not exist.
Barney Frank is a unicornist.
Obama is an unicornist, believing that redistributing wealth creates prosperity in those that piss away everything the American citizen and the Constitution has offered them. Head Start=the most single expensive program of unicornism....over 16 billion and counting....for gains that don't last...regression to the mean....worthless...but makes people feel better, makes them think fairies with wings exist, makes them think guardian angels are above our heads 24/7( if we live in a progressive America), makes them believe in unicorns......
I love the word...let's start using it every time a lib floats their silly notions.''Ah, there you go again. Engaging in silly unicornism while we die."

Posted by: gm at November 16, 2012 06:11 PM (wgmUB)

528 "Bain Capital is run by Democrats. "


Wanna make a lefty's head assplode. Link 'em to opensecrets.org and show them who Bain donates to. We're talking Al Franken and friends.

Posted by: Sir Charles Napier at November 16, 2012 06:13 PM (pkkxZ)

529 Yeah, unicornism is good.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 16, 2012 06:13 PM (QupBk)

530 "UPS strike in 1997 showed me that unions simply create entitlement and
laziness in a work force that used to be the best in the world." Fed Ex guys generally work the hardest. UPS guys work harder than US Postal Service workers.

Posted by: RingDing at November 16, 2012 06:17 PM (8gUDn)

531 Which you followed by saying he was a know-it all socialist and a power-mad control freak.

Not only are they not contrary, they're both completely congruent with and common to the breed.

How is that a contradiction?


I get your point. I was looking at it from a historical perspective, but yah, you're right.

PS the left only support unions because unions support the left. And unions are expected to fold into the government "when they finally take over," so again no contradiction.

I said none of that- don't put words in my mouth. You also seem to have missed where I said that Ford hated unions. By your statement- and my admission- Ford is a lefty. You say lefties support unions. I think that is a contradiction.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 06:18 PM (3sZO1)

532 "Yes union pay should merit at least a bank VP salary as baseline even if you are a goddamned buggy whip maker in 2012...." Sven that is extreme. What do you do for a living?
"

Posted by: RingDing at November 16, 2012 06:19 PM (8gUDn)

533 >>>Remember Consolidated Freightways? How about those transcontinental UPS relay-routes?


Avenge me!

Posted by: G.O.D. at November 16, 2012 06:21 PM (Cp0Ie)

534 If Carbon taxes stop carbon, what do Business taxes do?

Posted by: Al G. at November 16, 2012 06:25 PM (BfPSD)

535 532 RingDing,

I work in logistics and have done Hazmat work and a few other things cutie pie I am glad I have such a fan....my own axelbot.

Airline I ran with early on had teamsters trying to union up....it was cute when they tried to corrner me in the locker room.

I told them Hoffa's dead and yanked a cargo knife and smile.

You got a problem with me having a problem with shakedown artists?

No problem.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 06:25 PM (LRFds)

536 533 GOD,

Indeed....what the unions tried to do to a few CFX companies sucks ass.

Back in the old days the ICC gave out sole licenses to bidders for slots on routes between cities like runway slots....

just in time logistics would never have boomed without Reagan and it has grown our economy by hundreds of billions in the last decade alone.


Unions and hyperegulation are goddamned parasites.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 06:28 PM (LRFds)

537 511 So will Little Debbies get a bailout?

Fix her up with your favorite 4 start generalisimo and Little Miss Debbie will get more than a bailout.

Posted by: Face down in a memory but otherwise doing all right at November 16, 2012 06:29 PM (p4U6S)

538 I said none of that- don't put words in my mouth. You also seem to have missed where I said that Ford hated unions. By your statement- and my admission- Ford is a lefty. You say lefties support unions. I think that is a contradiction.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 06:18 PM (3sZO1)


Wow, talk about a catastrophic point-miss. That entire quote was referring to the part where you said Ford hated Unions. I cannot imagine how you came to the conclusion that I missed your statement, I could not possibly have missed that statement and still addressed it directly.

He was a lefty, he hated unions if they weren't helping him, just like later radical lefties attack and shut down unions under far-left governments if the unions won't be absorbed.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 16, 2012 06:30 PM (bxiXv)

539 538 Mero,

well he was complicated he was an ardent anti-communist as well...


Ford was a genius and about 1/2 step from crazy

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 06:33 PM (LRFds)

540 "You say lefties support unions. I think that is a contradiction. "

Lefties are famous for murdering their own.

Stalin and Mao weren't exactly best buds, either.

Posted by: Leon Trotsky's Ghost at November 16, 2012 06:34 PM (pkkxZ)

541 540 LTG,

Nor Tito later on....

it is a club but a very competitive ego driven one...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 06:35 PM (LRFds)

542 I just scored the last Hostess cupcakes at grocery store!


I will use them as barter.

Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 06:38 PM (doBIb)

543
what is the prevailing wage for a bakery and confectionery worker anyway?

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 06:42 PM (AW9md)

544 543 KJ,

Freerange or in captivity?


Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 06:46 PM (LRFds)

545 Trumka gets within striking distance of $300,000 a year...
http://www.unionfacts.com/employee/AFL-CIO/RICHARD/TRUMKA

Posted by: vivi at November 16, 2012 06:49 PM (uGAD+)

546 That is the attitude you always get from the looters.

Posted by: A. Rand at November 16, 2012 06:55 PM (ylseB)

547 ...Twinkee-the-Kid goes "John Gault"...

Posted by: pahound at November 16, 2012 06:59 PM (mT6YX)

548 Yes, you're right. The steel mill that was the subject of the hate youtubes against Romney was also something that Bain tried to help out of failure -- it was already failing and the world's steel prices were crashing and forces bigger than them were at work.

With everyone so health-conscious and with the mayor banning Big Gulps and the like, something like a Hostess twinkie can't survive unless it were to re-cast itself as 7-grain- whole-wheat muffins with a seaweed and acai berry filling.

The problem is that the counterfactuals and counternarrative for things like this aren't being organized and skillfully posted throughout social media and blogs by the GOP. Why is that? Or would say that in fact Republican social media is in fact effectively reaching a lot of people? Maybe if it weren't admixed so much with birthers and gold bugs and such it might be more effective.

Posted by: Catherine Fitzpatrick at November 16, 2012 07:12 PM (jsyuu)

549 Ha! Dick 'Crony' Trumpka complaining about crony capitalism.

The BALLS.

Unions in the USA are now openly and explicitly Marxist/Communist... as if anyone needed a reminder. Pay you? Pay you?! How's about "F*ck you!"?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 16, 2012 07:28 PM (eHIJJ)

550
Richard Trumka = white = going to Hell.



Sorry, dude. Hating on the rich won't save you.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 16, 2012 07:45 PM (DoZD+)

551 He was a lefty, he hated unions if they weren't helping him, just like later radical lefties attack and shut down unions under far-left governments if the unions won't be absorbed.

You're talking about me missing the point? Let me type it out slower, maybe you'll be able to follow along:

FORD HATED UNIONS, PERIOD.

It did not matter about helping him. He NEVER considered that they could or would help him. The UAW was not useful to Ford in any way, shape, or form. Ford fought Reuther in court, at the plants, and in the press. The UAW did not ever have any real control at Ford until after WW2, when Ford was a sick, dying man.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 07:57 PM (3sZO1)

552 "You say lefties support unions. I think that is a contradiction. "

Lefties are famous for murdering their own.

Stalin and Mao weren't exactly best buds, either.

Posted by: Leon Trotsky's Ghost at November 16, 2012 06:34 PM (pkkxZ)


Very true. But the quote you use was coupled with my assertion on Ford, so it doesn't entirely square with your statement.

I think an even better quote is "All revolutions devour their children", which I've found attributable to Ernst Rohm, who himself was a "Beefsteak Nazi".

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 08:04 PM (3sZO1)

553 Christ, this is the best blog. You start off with Twinkies, and I finish with a Beefsteak Nazi. Nowhere else are you going to do that.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 08:07 PM (3sZO1)

554 I was really happy that the pot legalization stepped in and prevented those dedicated State Liquor Board bureaucrats from losing their jobs. If there's one thing that is important in WA state, it's keeping bureaucrats employed so they can watch over us.

@411, I've tried going to other sites but I feel so at home here.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 16, 2012 08:07 PM (5HBd1)

555 Groups immune to fault:
Unions
Democrats
Media
Congress
President Obama
Wives

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at November 16, 2012 08:42 PM (T/L2Z)

556 Why didn't they just fire those union jacka$$es and hire 18000 new people. How hard can it be to train someone to make a Twinkie?

Posted by: Kevin Clark at November 16, 2012 09:15 PM (HJiVr)

557 18,500 people are losing their jobs. Thrown under the bus by the union, convinced to go on strike. I wonder if the greedy unions are working for a competitor of Hostess... someone should follow the money. Killed by the union. Did Hostess make political contributions or something?

Posted by: oldhardhead at November 16, 2012 09:40 PM (nkBm0)

558 Still running against Romney are they? Good. The more they focus on yesterday's candidate the better.

Posted by: james at November 16, 2012 09:50 PM (1PqiV)

559 "Unionism seems to be animated by the religious conviction that only the
union laborer is deserving to make any money whatsoever for his
exertions. Everyone else -- investors, owners, taxpayers -- exists
solely to donate their money to the cause of union profit." - Ace


According to their religious beliefs, the union worker is entitled to make enough to keep paying union dues, with a guaranteed contract to boot. Ya see, the union worker is too incompetent to represent themselves, they need "representation".

If Big Oil companies got together with a representative and decided to fix the price of gas, regardless of quality, at $10 per gallon, people would scream about price fixing. If a bunch of union workers get together with a representative and decide to fix the salary and benefits of teachers, regardless of quality... why... that's their religious "right". <roll eyes>


Posted by: oldhardhead at November 16, 2012 09:51 PM (nkBm0)

560
But wait! There's more! It turns out the people running Hostess weren't just any capitalists, but hard core, Democratic supporters! The group of venture captialists were put together by Richard Gephardt, former US Congressman, who now runs a company that claims to be able to specialize in working with unions.
Guess he missed that one... heh.

Posted by: Cincimaddog at November 17, 2012 02:15 PM (auffj)

561 The Hostess contract offer, non-negotiable through the court, was for an 8% reduction in wages this year and more wage reductions totaling 27% over 5 years. This is after the owners had stolen the workers contributions to their retirement plans ($3 an hour for years from every worker just gone, poof) and had previously won pay reductions of over 30% since 2004.
Meanwhile, the hedge fund companies and Wall Street firms have made over a hundred million by taking it private twice and loading it with debt; and the top layer of management has at least doubled their salaries and bonuses with the CEO adding millions.
I know one person working there who made $48,000 in 2004. With the company offer he would make $25,000 in five years with benefits about the same as a McDonald's order taker.
Quick question - would you have taken that offer?

Posted by: Gary D at November 19, 2012 04:29 AM (YAEux)






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