Hostess Bakers Union: We Reject Your Latest Offer. Hostess Final Offer: Then We're Closing Up And You'll Get Nothing. Bakers Union: Good! Wait, What?

18,500 people are going to lose their jobs because one union decided that they thought it was possible to get blood from a stone.

"We deeply regret the necessity of today's decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike," said CEO Gregory Rayburn in a statement.

Hostess will move to sell its assets to the highest bidder. That could mean new life for some of its most popular products, which could be scooped up at auction and attached to products from other companies.

A letter that Hostess sent to its network of stores that carry its product said it expects "there will be great interest in our brands." But it said it could not give a time frame for when the sales would take place and its products would be available again.

But even if those brands are bought and restarted, the Hostess workers will not get their jobs back.

"The industry has overcapacity. We're overcapacity. Our rivals are overcapacity," said Rayburn in an interview on CNBC. Asked if the shutdown decision could be reversed if the Bakers' union agreed to immediately return to work, he responded, "Too late."

If feel bad for the workers who weren't part of the idiotic bakers union but have zero sympathy for the idiots who were. Hostess was already in bankruptcy, they were out of money, broke, finished. They had a plan to try and claw their way back and the bakers said, "no".

What was Hostess offering?

The concessions, which affect both the bakery union and Teamsters, call for cuts in wages and benefits of 27 percent to 32 percent over the five-year contract, with an immediate wage cut of 8 percent, the bakery union said. The company stopped contributing to workers' pensions last year.

The bakery union represents about 5,680 Hostess workers, about 30 percent of Hostess' total work force.

Pretty steep cuts but still 68% to 73% > 0%.

Union idiots are free to choose this course of action but they are also going to have to live with the consequences of that choice. The important thing is that these people get no public assistance benefits whatsoever. In this economy there is no reason that people struggling to get by should subsidize people who throw away jobs.

People voted for irresponsibility, now they must get it. No soft landings, no pity. It's time for harsh lessons to be learned.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:13 AM



Comments

1 The burn continues...

Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 10:16 AM (GQ8sn)

2 Twinkie bailout!

Shove them inside a Chevy Volt and you unicorn farts will be emitted.

No blood from a stone. But there will be blood.

Dark days are getting darker.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:16 AM (XkWWK)

3 Ugh. Liberals on another board I frequent can only talk about the pay raises the Hostess management took in the beginning of the year and refuse to accept the unmovable union as having any hand in what happened.

Posted by: Gaff at November 16, 2012 10:16 AM (jPS2y)

4 5680 are responsible for ruining 12820 other peoples' lives.

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 16, 2012 10:16 AM (UZQM8)

5 In the penultimate paragraph, I read "Union idiots" as "Useful idiots" at first glance. Much the same thing, though, as I think about it.

Posted by: jakeman at November 16, 2012 10:16 AM (96M6e)

6 Cash For Cupcakes!!!

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 16, 2012 10:17 AM (bXdYS)

7 Do Twinkies burn? Let them.

Posted by: MythicMeganBanger at November 16, 2012 10:17 AM (uEm7J)

8 New, uhhhh, clean energy jobs will replace those, ummm, bad, unhealthy jobs. Win-Win!!!!

Posted by: TEH WON at November 16, 2012 10:17 AM (J/S+8)

9 Good bet that the stewards and other union pigs will get to keep a job within their union. Thats what happened when the UAW shut down a Muni plant here in Norcal.

Posted by: mbruce at November 16, 2012 10:17 AM (Fr8N6)

10 The only good I can see about this is that there are some people that are forced to be in a union that might start taking care of things before they lose their jobs.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 16, 2012 10:17 AM (1ml8s)

11 >>The burn continues...

I wonder what the ignition temperature of a Twinkie is. The creamy filling would be a bit like napalm once you got it going.

Posted by: jakeman at November 16, 2012 10:19 AM (96M6e)

12 Papa gubmint will ride in and force Hostess to deal.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 16, 2012 10:19 AM (Ezq3m)

13 Union Memeber:

Lets so 85% of something or 0% of nothing?????

OK I'll go with 0% of nothing. Boy will my 6th grade math teacher be happy with me!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2012 10:19 AM (79ueO)

14 Indeed. It is time for harsh lessons to be taught. We shouldn't have to go through this but we have no other options with too many people. Just make certain that the folks with the Obama bumper-stickers feel the pain first when choosing to lay off workers.

Posted by: turfmonster at November 16, 2012 10:20 AM (lMI0V)

15 If feel bad for the workers who weren't part of the idiotic bakers union but have zero sympathy for the idiots who were.

Almost misread that.

Agreed.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:20 AM (C32qD)

16 Rockets land outside of the Holy City of Jerusalem. So we see how Holy it really is to those dirty running dog muslim cock suckers!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2012 10:20 AM (79ueO)

17 "The important thing is that these people get no public assistance benefits whatsoever."

That's spit-take worthy.

Posted by: rockhead at November 16, 2012 10:21 AM (jtTKf)

18 >>Papa gubmint will ride in and force Hostess to deal.

Not if I have anything to say about it. Health is more important than jobs, got it, buster?

Posted by: Michelle Gubmint at November 16, 2012 10:21 AM (96M6e)

19 Obama will provide emergency assistance to the unions - in perpetuity.

Mark my words.

Posted by: Barakatemydog at November 16, 2012 10:21 AM (qBLA2)

20 Hmmmmmm.....odd.

The epic pie fight sequence in "The Great Race" is on right now.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:21 AM (C32qD)

21 Fuck em. Mercy....I'm fresh out.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 16, 2012 10:21 AM (EJr9e)

22 the obamaMob responds (from WaPo):

"So
let Hostess go bankrupt and go out of business, all because the
management (yes, the management!) didn't want to negotiate in good faith
with the employees."

"More scapegoating the union. Why is it
that asking the rich to pay an extra dime in taxes is bad but asking
workers to cut their salaries, cut their pensions, cut their benefits,
and double their workload is good? Management doesn't bother to change
their brand for a decade then they blame the workers for not going along
with whatever slave wages they want to pay them."

Clueless to the Nth degree...

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 10:22 AM (WR5xI)

23 I think the non union Hostess employees should sue the union Hostess employees.

Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 10:22 AM (X6akg)

24
"Ugh. Liberals on another board I frequent can only talk about the pay raises the Hostess management took in the beginning of the year and refuse to accept the unmovable union as having any hand in what happened."
Cutting out contributions to worker pensions and then giving yourselves raisesIS pretty dubious.

Posted by: OscarMeyer at November 16, 2012 10:22 AM (MeULD)

25 This is very sad.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 16, 2012 10:22 AM (UypUQ)

26 To quote Al Pacino in Scarface: "Look at you now!"

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 16, 2012 10:22 AM (gA69l)

27 Whether these people will get unemployment will be interesting. I imagine the Teamsters will possibly qualify since they were willing to accept the offer. But the Bakers union should be told to eff off. Unfortunately that isn't always the case. I have seen people quit or get fired and still collect unemployment. It will all depend on how both sides present their cases and and how pro-union the hearing judge is.

Posted by: Deanna at November 16, 2012 10:22 AM (7pgUn)

28 Ding, dong the Ding Dong is dead.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 10:23 AM (pwyhn)

29 Ding dong Ding Dongs are dead!!!!

Whoa, wha....

Posted by: baker union guy at November 16, 2012 10:23 AM (jtTKf)

30
There's a cumulative effect fromthis type of massive 'layoff' and/or bankruptcy, too. Many of the workers in related companies and jobs around nation the will be out of work or have their hours cut, as a result, Plus, if those workers in related businesses aren't employed, they won't be buying stuff from *other* companies and businesses, who will then be forced to cut their own workforce in order to stay competitive, and so on...
Add situations like this to the massive layoffs which are already beginning as a result of Obamacare...

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 16, 2012 10:23 AM (WwR1j)

31 4
5680 are responsible for ruining 12820 other peoples' lives.





Posted by: cajun carrot at November 16, 2012 10:16 AM (UZQM

Contra 400+ thousand and 300+ million.

Posted by: Flounder at November 16, 2012 10:23 AM (Kkt/i)

32 That's some shrewd bargaining there.

Posted by: BignJames at November 16, 2012 10:23 AM (rlFQ+)

33 I need to buy a pack now I guess. I was planning on having a Thanksgiving Day fry-fest at my house. I'm frying a turkey, some chicken tenders with Chik-Fil-A breading my son stole when he worked there, fish, onion rings, french fries, and this year: Fair Food.

I was planning on making fried cheesecake, Snickers, Twinkies, and Ho-Ho's.

Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

34 Stupidity is its own reward....

we should have let it burn in '09....

electing Boner in '10 was the wrong thing to do....

Barry went to ground when he saw this was unpopular and hid the agenda on the trail...

Trumpka has a flamethrower....

The Baltic dry index told the story in Sept....

bye bye

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:23 AM (LRFds)

35 I get my boys to eats the same shit sandwich those Bakers refused, and we're still out of a job?


There will be blood.

Posted by: Jimmah Hoffa at November 16, 2012 10:23 AM (A6JXc)

36 Obamaphones all around!

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at November 16, 2012 10:24 AM (pwyhn)

37 So the PLO is demonstrating their anger about Twinkies by bombing Israel?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2012 10:24 AM (Ec6wH)

38 missed it by that much

Good show Cicero

Posted by: baker union guy at November 16, 2012 10:24 AM (jtTKf)

39 3 gaff,

shrug....

it works wonders....

let 'em run it all bud

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:24 AM (LRFds)

40 The story linked on Drudge says that the company had already reached an agreement with the Teamsters, it's just the bakers union that is holding out. And the last line in the story, sizzling with irony, is:

"Most employees who lose their jobs should be eligible for government-provided unemployment benefits," Hostess said.


Posted by: Peaches at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (kpCLl)

41 Cutting out contributions to worker pensions and then giving yourselves raisesIS pretty dubious.
Posted by: OscarMeyer at November 16, 2012 10:22 AM (MeULD)


Yes it does. A healthy dose of stupid, all the way around. Got a link for that?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (C32qD)

42 Where the fuck is Olaf?

Posted by: fluffy at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (z9HTb)

43 Whenever management votes themselves pay raises or bonuses in times of dire economic circumstances, I can see how such moves raise eyebrows. I remember a while back that Delta's board voted to give themselves bonuses whilst having to lay off several thousand employees to stave off bankruptcy.

And this is sort of the gray area of the free market. If management does this, then yes it is irresponsible considering the impact on the company and the employees. BUT... ultimately, it's the management (as represented by the people who own majority of stock in the company, i.e. the board) that actually OWNS the company and are beholden to no one but themselves on a purely legal level.

They are free to do with the company as they will - run it effectively to make a profit or make mistakes and run it into the ground. What is debatable is the morality/ethics of the issue. Something that liberals seek to regulate and control.

I do not know enough about Hostess and it's management/operations to comment on the actions of the directors. But for a union to decide to kill the company as opposed to taking pay cuts - drastic as they might have been - is completely irresponsible and IMMORAL.

FUCK LIBERALISM. IT KILLS EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (XkWWK)

44 The laws of economics and finance are racist.

Posted by: Barky O'Noble at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (Xv7f/)

45 We have the power. Let the Left whine and blame and stamp their feet. Fuck with us and you get fucked. You whine; I liquidate your job. I win. Now you and your boyfriend go suck each other's cock whileyour pathetic livescollapse.

Posted by: Second Wave at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (x9s9/)

46 22 Runner,

who the fuck is the media talking to?

It ain't me....I'd agree let Hostess go bankrupt....you won

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (LRFds)

47 Good show Cicero

Posted by: baker union guy at November 16, 2012 10:24 AM (jtTKf)


I'm fast and an idiot. It's an unbeatable combination.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (pwyhn)

48 Hostess' products always seemed to be more expensive than their rivals. Why? Better, more expensive ingredients?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 16, 2012 10:26 AM (UypUQ)

49 5680 are responsible for ruining 12820 other peoples' lives.>>

Don't know where these plants are. But if they're a major employer in a small town the lost jobs/closed small business' will go much higher.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 10:26 AM (tf9Ne)

50 43 JJ Sefton,


I am not taking managements' part I am not taking the "benign and noble workers' part" I am grabbing Smore material....


let it burn

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:26 AM (LRFds)

51 To quote Al Pacino in Scarface: "Look at you now!"

I watched "The Trip" after Ace linked it here a few days ago. Best fucking thing I've seen in a while!!!

Steve Coogan and Rob Brydon do a ton of impersonations and Al Pacino is one of them. I think Rob's take on Pacino is better than Coogan's, though Coogan's Roger Moore and Michael Caine is slightly better.

"She was only fifteen years old!!!! You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!!!"

Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 10:26 AM (GQ8sn)

52 Obamatwinkies?

Posted by: SEIU lady at November 16, 2012 10:26 AM (Xv7f/)

53
Ruining US economy by showering the union mob with payoffs on taxpayer's backs = good
Trying to save a company consumers enjoy by restraining union appetites = bad


Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 10:27 AM (WR5xI)

54 At least the skills section of the resumes ought to be an interesting read.

"Inserted probe into cupcake. Deposited cream".

Posted by: yobobbyb at November 16, 2012 10:27 AM (VzkNh)

55 Hey, Wyatt!


Some people would rather "win" than deal successfully with reality. Darwin never sleeps.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 10:27 AM (6H6FZ)

56 49 Buzzsaw,


Frankly I can't manage to work up a single tear for people who embraced, used, and tolerated evil to extort wage with threat of law.

bye bye

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:27 AM (LRFds)

57 I saw somewhere that the idjits were picketing at a closed plant.

"Fuck you. Pay me" will not work, my friends. But keep on walking that line.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:27 AM (XkWWK)

58 The odds of TFG stepping into this situation are approximately the same as him trying to resolve the NHL strike: 0.

In one case, you have a white bread product. In the other, you have a maker of unhealthy snack foods.

Posted by: jakeman at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (96M6e)

59 "The important thing is that these people get no public assistance benefits whatsoever."

Dream on, we all know they will collect 99 weeks of unemployment insurance.

Posted by: sdavis at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (njVMI)

60 At least the skills section of the resumes ought to be an interesting read.



"Inserted probe into cupcake. Deposited cream".



They should all head for the San Fernando Valley. There are opportunities aplenty for guys with those skills.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (pwyhn)

61 My farmer friend (ironically enough, by the name of McDonald), is telling me that the drought of 2012 hasn't really yet affected grain prices, but by 2013 they should be skyrocketing.

Hostess probably figured they'd get slammed in 2013 in procuring...whatever it was they put in Twinkies.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (Ec6wH)

62 53 Runner,

yup....

perty much adn we can never be taken as a good faith counter to the retarded Hopium dealer so no more arguing...


just applaud

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (LRFds)

63 Some people would rather "win" than deal successfully with reality. Darwin never sleeps.

Well congratulations, union goons, you won a tall, cool glass of STFU.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (gA69l)

64
Twinkie: we have no money
Union: Pay me
Ho Ho: no really, we have no money.
Union: Oh
Ding Dong: Get. OUT.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (3BbLJ)

65 Hostess' products always seemed to be more expensive than their rivals. Why? Better, more expensive ingredients?
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 16, 2012 10:26 AM
Well where I live Little Debbies are cheaper and I think they're non-union.

Posted by: Deanna at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (7pgUn)

66 "The important thing is that these people get no public assistance benefits whatsoever. In this economy there is no reason that people struggling to get by should subsidize people who throw away jobs. People voted for irresponsibility, now they must get it. No soft landings, no pity. It's time for harsh lessons to be learned. "

Not going to happen. The problem in a nutshell is this: when the delta between working and not working get's small enough, a lot more people choose not working, and some people, like these idiot baker's union members, probably don't have much to lose. Take unemployment, take food stamps, fake up some disability, and voila! You can trade jobs for funemployment.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at November 16, 2012 10:28 AM (qHCyt)

67 "Most employees who lose their jobs should be eligible for government-provided unemployment benefits," Hostess said.


Posted by: Peaches at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (kpCLl)


For the first 52 (roughly) weeks, that is unemployment that the company had paid into. It works that way here in Illinois, also.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (C32qD)

68
To the posters and liberals wondering why they had to give pay raises to the management on a sinking ship consider where the management is now and consider they could see this coming and consider that your key players would have moved on to other companies than stay on a sinking ship especially for less money.



Please let's not be as dumb as the liberals about how life works. Do star players stay on losing teams or do they play free agency? For those who don't get the retention pay think about it.

Posted by: Conan at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (20QPU)

69 @24

I'm not saying management is blameless, but to be honest it sounds like Hostess has been coasting on fumes and regardless of whatever deal they made with the unions they were going to collapse. The strike only made the wall come up that much faster.

Hopefully someone buys up their IP and factories in bankruptcy and turns it around.

Posted by: Gaff at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (jPS2y)

70
"Yes it does. A healthy dose of stupid, all the way around. Got a link for that?"

Pension cuts are mentioned in the body of the story, in the quoted text. Post #3 mentoned the raises.

Posted by: OscarMeyer at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (MeULD)

71 Will they picket the closed plants....for strike pay?

Posted by: BignJames at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (rlFQ+)

72 59 SDavis,

at least.....

what I'm waiting for is when Bambi nukes the military and we don't get unemployment....

that will be priceless.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (LRFds)

73 management of a private company can do whatever it thinks fit ; if the workers don't like the arrangement , or management salaries - they are free to go elsewhere, they are not enslaved , no one is keeping them there

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (WR5xI)

74 I am sure that every worker affected will get the standard 49 weeks of funemployment.

Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (V70Uh)

75 Hamas Fires Rocket At Jerusalem…

Probably the first shelling of Jerusalem since the 1967 war.

No Saddam also showed to particular affinity for Jerusalem either

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (79ueO)

76 Conceptually speaking is there any difference between what the unions did here and what conservatives for decades have done when they've stayed home and not voted for Republican candidates because of litmus tests or related items?

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (r2PLg)

77 69 Gaff,

why so they can be demonized as a time traveller with cancer eyes by Joe Septic version 2.1?

Nah go to ground....starve the fuckers.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (LRFds)

78 I hope American Airlines employees are paying attention...

Posted by: Swanny at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (KA5tp)

79
I have pledged to not spend a penny more than absolutely necessary for the next 12 months. Skip the Carribean cruise, no more eating out, defer new car for at least another year (probably four), etc. Suck it, libs.

Posted by: Second Wave at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (x9s9/)

80 I'd buy scab Twinkies.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (pwyhn)

81 Pretty steep cuts but still 68% to 73% > 0%.

I wonder how much of the "cuts" were to wages and how much to benefits, such as pension and healthcare.

My guess is most of it was to benefits. So actually $$ in pocket each week would not have changed much.

The other telling quote is that the industry is over capacity. Which means that Hostess needed to have targeted furlough, but could not due to the union contracts. All or nothing with union contracts. Well, you got nothing.

My question which I also posted on another site:
Is this the beginning of going Galt?

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (DOEXI)

82 So what are we going to call Asians who act white now?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2012 10:31 AM (Ec6wH)

83 "The important thing is that these people get no public assistance
benefits whatsoever. In this economy there is no reason that people
struggling to get by should subsidize people who throw away jobs."

Aaaaaand, this is exactly what will happen. Thanks, Union A-holes, for adding even more weight onto our already too fat welfare rolls.

Posted by: Beckster at November 16, 2012 10:31 AM (VjJAc)

84 AP's report on Hostess including details of how the Teamsters accepted the latest company offer and their knowing the bakers' union screwed them all.
http://tinyurl.com/cvyvgc6

On the bright side for me, maybe a Canadian company will take over the U.S.?
www.vachon.com/en/treat-selector/

See ya later; I've got work.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 16, 2012 10:31 AM (nkiQM)

85 76 Tsar Nicholas II,


nope....

let it burn you stay at homes or 3d party folk who said no difference between Barry and mitt?

Watch this.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:31 AM (LRFds)

86 The Baltic dry index told the story in Sept....


FUCK THAT!!! I tol' you! I vote; I get Camels, Bitch!


Where's my carton o' Camels?!?!?

Posted by: Dem Voter what rode a bus at November 16, 2012 10:31 AM (z9HTb)

87 So what are we going to call Asians who act white now?

I thought it was always "bananas"?

Posted by: EC at November 16, 2012 10:31 AM (GQ8sn)

88 50 let it burn
Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:26 AM (LRFds)

Sven, old boy, I'm with you. I was merely making an observation.

In fact, I wish GM had done this decades ago with the UAW. Instead of giving into their insane demands - even in the good times of the early to mid 60's - they should have just threatened that they would shutter their doors.

Lawsuits and threats from the gubmint would ensue, no doubt. But who knows? It might have been a bit painful, but I think it would have taught a valuable lesson to the country and the world.

Now, we have the Volt and shafted stock holders.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:32 AM (XkWWK)

89 these accepted jobs on the terms that were provided at the time they got employment, don't like current terms - go elsewhere

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 10:32 AM (WR5xI)

90
For those that buy sides of beef or pork, my meat guy (shut up) says buy before end of year for good deals. Everybody is dumping now to avoid future grain increases.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2012 10:32 AM (3BbLJ)

91 I had a morning brain fart, I was lamenting on how my Yodels were going to be gone. I went to the grocery store to stock up and they're made by Drake. Hallelujah. I got a couple of loaves of my classic white Wonder Bread to freeze for later.


At least I have my Yodels, yippie.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 16, 2012 10:32 AM (9U1OG)

92 79 Second Wave,

Yup....pretty much.

The MOST I will do on extraneous spending is replace one of the family's 3 gaming rigs when it dies.

Fuck you libs watch this.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:32 AM (LRFds)

93 22

I had always assumed that Atlas Shrugged was intended as a warning, not prophecy.

Posted by: rickl at November 16, 2012 10:33 AM (zoehZ)

94 Time to nut up or shut up.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 16, 2012 10:33 AM (Iyg03)

95 It is difficylt to know what to think, if one does not know the company. Inevitably, management has to ask the question, When do we throw in the towel.

Posted by: Harry at November 16, 2012 10:33 AM (+BEaq)

96 I hope American Airlines employees are paying attention...
Posted by: Swanny at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (KA5tp)

So do I, since I have about 1.4 Million Miles with American

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2012 10:33 AM (79ueO)

97 Thousands of members of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union went on strike last week after rejecting in September a contract offer that cut wages and benefits. Hostess had already reached a contract agreement with its largest union, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

-------------------------------------------------------------

The teamsters will probably kick some other union ass now.......

Yeah, union members - good luck on getting a job during Obamanomics 2.0

And the Unions were in the White House demanding another stimulus!!! The House GOP needs to tell Obama to piss up a rope.....

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (oKH8p)

98 Copied and pasted

I am sure this has already been brought up, but I didn't feel like scrolling the entire thread.

I am so sick and tired of people bashing Romney and bashing the GOP message. And sick of the GOP grasping for straws at how they are losing voters. And Susana Martinez whom I like very much, talks about sitting down with voters and asking them "what they want" and how can we earn their vote. Susana, they want free abortions, free birth control, food stamps, $60k jobs straight out of college. We KNOW what they want. Here's the ish. There is nothing we can do about it.

This was just reiterated to me this morning, while reading about Hostess going under. This company is struggling to get by, but is still able to employ 18,000 people. But, the unions have to be greedy and selfish, and it destroys the company. Is this economy, is now, really the time to be making demands and being unreasonable? These unions are more worried about squeezing every last dime out of the Man, than they are about saving jobs and saving an American company. Pathetic.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (E1Vkf)

99 I posted this on the last thread, but get a load of the mullet.
http://is.gd/0gw70p

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (/kI1Q)

100 88 JJ Sefton,

was not saying you didn't or disagreeing...just adding my voice to yours.

Let the moochers find out what their winning is.

Let the stay at homes find out why O is not Mitt, let the businesses who thought they bought protection find out how the left really sees them.

Not one extra dime to the economy at large CHOKE THEM

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (LRFds)

101 I'm sure the most awesome economy of the past four years had nothing to do with the companies decision. Stuff that I consider junk food and steroids for future diabetes is hardly something that is going to be the first thing thrown in the shopping cart.

It will be a fun show to watch, sort of an example of what would have happened if automakers hadn't been bailed out. I predict the names and trademarks will be sold for a good penny, but half the equipment and buildings won't sell.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (feFL6)

102 >>I had always assumed that Atlas Shrugged was intended as a warning, not prophecy.

Third option: The dems are using it as a handbook.

Posted by: jakeman at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (96M6e)

103 Frankly I can't manage to work up a single tear for people who embraced,
used, and tolerated evil to extort wage with threat of law.>>

My point was that the decision of the union would have far reaching consequences. Not that I had sympathy or wanted them to keep their jobs.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2012 10:35 AM (tf9Ne)

104 Let it burn.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 16, 2012 10:35 AM (ZMzpb)

105 What's that thing that Instapundit keeps saying (one of those things, anyway)

Conservatives read Atlas Shrugged as a cautionary tale, libs read it as a training manual?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 10:35 AM (7vSU0)

106 The Easy-Bake Oven recession continues...

Union Workers don't have hard landings in this country. The social safety net is in place. It's what Romney was talking about, and it's what they voted for last week.

You will pay the Bakers' Union employees, one way or another.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 16, 2012 10:35 AM (TOk1P)

107 69 Hopefully someone buys up their IP and factories in bankruptcy and turns it around.
Posted by: Gaff at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (jPS2y)


With NON-union labor. Hostess should have hired scabs.

(Somehow, putting the word "scab" in a sentence with "Twinkie" does not work)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:35 AM (XkWWK)

108 And Woody Harrelson's only good movie role becomes obsolete.

Posted by: garfish at November 16, 2012 10:36 AM (RDnLr)

109 96 I hope American Airlines employees are paying attention...
Posted by: Swanny at November 16, 2012 10:30 AM (KA5tp)

About 20,000 people applied for 1500 flight attendant jobs at AA the other day.....and the starting pay will be lower....

The airlines are going to have trouble finding pilots in the future......

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:36 AM (oKH8p)

110 If I was an immature lib douchebag I would make it a talking point that TFG killed Twinkie the Kid.

Posted by: RWC at November 16, 2012 10:36 AM (fWAjv)

111 Wal-Mart employees are planning a job action for Black Friday. They want a union, yea!! Give them a union. Then those Walton heirs who donate millions and millions of dollars to democrats can get democrated good and hard.

Posted by: Boots at November 16, 2012 10:36 AM (neKzn)

112 91 I had a morning brain fart, I was lamenting on how my Yodels were going to be gone. I went to the grocery store to stock up and they're made by Drake. Hallelujah. I got a couple of loaves of my classic white Wonder Bread to freeze for later.


At least I have my Yodels, yippie.

Uh, no! Hostess owns (owned) Drakes too. Yodels gone. Loved Yodels!

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 16, 2012 10:37 AM (DOEXI)

113 Hostess is a Dallas based company. Why were they letting unions run their show anyway? Oh well. Happy Thanksgiving union fucks!! No XBox for junior this Christmas. You Won!

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 16, 2012 10:37 AM (UU0OF)

114 The airlines are going to have trouble finding pilots in the future......


Illegal aliens can always do the jobs Americans won't do.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 10:37 AM (pwyhn)

115 91 At least I have my Yodels, yippie.
Posted by: Jaimo at November 16, 2012 10:32 AM (9U1OG)


Ich liebe Jodl! Ach, eine moment, bitte...

Posted by: Zombie Adolf at November 16, 2012 10:37 AM (XkWWK)

116 "The important thing is that these people get no public assistance benefits whatsoever. In this economy there is no reason that people struggling to get by should subsidize people who throw away jobs."
LOL

Posted by: Food Stamp President at November 16, 2012 10:37 AM (/Mla1)

117 "Most employees who lose their jobs should be eligible for government-provided unemployment benefits," Hostess said.


Posted by: Peaches at November 16, 2012 10:25 AM (kpCLl)

For the first 52 (roughly) weeks, that is unemployment that the company had paid into. It works that way here in Illinois, also. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM ========================================================I notice they said "most." I wonder (no pun intended ) if that will apply to the Bakers union ? And how much does the bankruptcy affect this?

Posted by: Deanna at November 16, 2012 10:38 AM (7pgUn)

118 4 5680 are responsible for ruining 12820 other peoples' lives.

----------------------------------------------------------

Yeah on Nov 6th -
62,611,250 people ruined 59,134,475 peoples' lives

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:38 AM (oKH8p)

119 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2012 10:20 AM (79ueO)

From Gaza?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:38 AM (GsoHv)

120 I love the "too late" comment....IOW elections have consequences.....take that Biatches

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (JWLqy)

121 As with McDonald's, it's a low-cost caloric filler for people of limited means. I keep hearing about hunger (and obesity) in America, so the loss of this company will either make the hungry hungrier or make the obese poorer.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (Ec6wH)

122 ObamaPhones are on the way folks. I'll fly in for a photo op later this week, then we can nationalize the operation.

FORWARD!

Posted by: The Won and Only at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (JJ+PT)

123 Hostess stuff is good but it's about 3 times the price of Little Debbies. These are not the times for a $1.69 pack of Zingers.

Posted by: buzz at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (i27M5)

124 The Baker's union is being uniquely stupid here. Just read this statement from the Teamsters:

http://www.teamster.org/content/teamsters-bakery-workers-should-hold-secret-ballot-vote-hostess

It just reeks of contempt, but then the Teamsters are the one trade union in the US that seems to understand reality.

Posted by: Roy at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (EuD1c)

125 114 The airlines are going to have trouble finding pilots in the future......


Illegal aliens can always do the jobs Americans won't do.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Or hire a bunch of Saudi's.......

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (oKH8p)

126 All this talk about the Twinkie. Has no one considered the plight of the Sno-Ball, which I personally consider a far superior product? {sniffs}

Posted by: Peaches at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (kpCLl)

127 Feel very bad for those workers who wanted to stay on and work and had reached an agreement with management. As for the bakers' union, you reap what you sow.

Posted by: RM at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (TRsME)

128 Not to get off topic, but does anyone know of a free email service not run by left wing marxists like Yahoo and Google?

Budget is tight, cannot afford Reagan.com at the moment

Posted by: Jack J at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (qh2M/)

129 True Twinkie story;

My band director in HS was a trumpet player. He was loaned a really nice horn by a friend of his so he put his regular horn away.
A YEAR later he pulls his old horn out of the closet and find an open twinkie package with one Twinkie.
It was still soft and squishy and fresh feeling.
He offered it to me, no thanks! Then tossed it.

Had it been a Yodel I might have eaten it.

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (DOEXI)

130 O/T: Twitter-savvy folk! I got mentioned in a #FF! What's the proper response/quid pro quo? I could use a primer in Twittiquette...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (GBXon)

131 Anyone else think this would be funny? Saw it on Twitter and my mind ran with it. Mitt Romney quietly purchases Hostess' assets, or he is a "silent partner" in the deal.

Turns the company around, thousands of people gets jobs, the company is booming again.

Then in 2 and a half years, Romney is publicly acknowledged as the turnaround genius who saved Hostess. Romney stands in front of some podium somewhere, flips America the double bird, with a big EFF YOU.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (E1Vkf)

132 Unfortunately, it is probably the case that the union guys will get taken care of by the people who cater to their mooching. The nonunion labor majority will get far less.

Posted by: Glen at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (K1CbB)

133 Last two sentences are spot on.

Posted by: defendUSA at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (S0aj8)

134 111 Boots,


No shit go sign their petitions...throw a tenner in their kitty....stand with 'em to give the illusion of power....


fuck you Walton family....you want me to live with Obarka you live with the UFCW

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (LRFds)

135 Give the people what they want.

You'd think the Hostess employees would be thanking Obama.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (7vSU0)

136 From Gaza?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:38 AM (GsoHv)


yes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (79ueO)

137 Ha. Hahahaha.

The bakers union has a web site....and just guess what they're not talking about? It also keeps crashing.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (L7hol)

138 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (8y9MW)

139 122 ObamaPhones are on the way folks. I'll fly in for a photo op later this week, then we can nationalize the operation.

FORWARD!

-----------------------------------------------------------

If they were making birth control devices then The Obama's would be all over it - as it is - Twinkies???
Michelle hates Twinkies, Ding-Dong's and Ho-Ho's.......
The companies fate is sealed.

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (oKH8p)

140 Can we dismantle the Twinkie plant and move it brick by brick to a right-to-work state?

If the Russkies can move factories to the other side of the Urals whilst Nazis invaded, then it stands to reason...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (XkWWK)

141 "Or hire a bunch of Saudi's......."

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (oKH8p)


I hate it when someone tells an awful, tasteless, cruel and tacky joke......

....and I laugh like hell.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (GsoHv)

142 75
Hamas Fires Rocket At Jerusalem…

Probably the first shelling of Jerusalem since the 1967 war.

No Saddam also showed to particular affinity for Jerusalem either

... what will happen if Hamas hits the Dome of the Rock Mosque ...

Posted by: ET at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (s72/N)

143 Going on and on about who didn't vote for Romney is buying oats for a dead horse. People won't come out for a NE RINO stiff who invented Obamacare and whose conservative bona fides were written on water. You didn't lose the committed politics junkies who post at these places. You lost the average guy who looked at the candidate and said, "meh." Run someone inpiring and people will come out. And that means do not drag that fucker back around for another try. He's done. At long last.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (6H6FZ)

144 ot to get off topic, but does anyone know of a free email service not run by left wing marxists like Yahoo and Google?

Budget is tight, cannot afford Reagan.com at the moment


Posted by: Jack J at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (qh2M/)

Slightly less lefty: Hotmail.

Posted by: The Won and Only at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (JJ+PT)

145 Wal-Mart employees are planning a job action for Black Friday. They want a union, yea!! Give them a union. Then those Walton heirs who donate millions and millions of dollars to democrats can get democrated good and hard.

That's a good idea in there. When you check out ask if the clerk has a union, then act shocked and say something like, "No union? In this day and age? And they said that Romney wanted to take us back to the 50's. I may have to boycott this store if you don't do something about that!"

Do the whole liberal act.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (feFL6)

146 124 Roy,

we cargo families see reality every day Roy...

it helps perspective....this "recovery" was always a fantasy

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (LRFds)

147 How is Mitt doing, BTW? I genuinely feel bad for him after what he went thru...and needless to say, the libs will not show any decency or let up on him.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (Ec6wH)

148 /off sock

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (JJ+PT)

149 A couple of days ago I didn't even know a "Baker's Union" existed. Now they're stealing my Twinkies. Sneaky bastards, they should work for the CIA.

Posted by: yinzer at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (/Mla1)

150 99
I posted this on the last thread, but get a load of the mullet.
http://is.gd/0gw70pPosted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (/kI1Q)


From the looks of that guy, they had good dental coverage.

Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (X6akg)

151 I have a store under my management umbrella that carries Hostess. We've seen this coming for awhile. My bosses brother is a union contract negotiator and he and boss are on opposite ends of the union debate. Wish I could be a fly on the wall next time they talk.

Posted by: small town girl at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (WSrt9)

152 125 Or hire a bunch of Saudi's.......
Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:39 AM (oKH8p)

Yeah, but they don't know how to take off and land.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (XkWWK)

153 Maybe the bakers' union people looked at the auto industry and figuredif GM was going broke but the GM auto workers didn't have to take a real hit, why should the bakers' union take a hit?

Posted by: RM at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (TRsME)

154 Yeah on Nov 6th -
62,611,250 people ruined 59,134,475314,686,189 peoples' lives.


FIFY. And I am reminded of the English Beat's song, "I Confess":

I confess I've ruined three lives.
Did not care till I found out
That one of them was mine.

Posted by: jakeman at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (96M6e)

155 Hell, they're all disgruntled. I ain't runnin' a daisy farm!

Posted by: Nathan Arizona at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (bRdb3)

156 Surfer, no I was not intending that he run again.......I was just intending that he give America and Obama the bird for showing them what he can do and could have done for America.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (E1Vkf)

157 Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (6H6FZ)

People like you are theproblem asswipe.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (m2CN7)

158

... what will happen if Hamas hits the Dome of the Rock Mosque ...

The LULZ would be epic.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (L7hol)

159
My God,no Sno Balls?

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (qEts0)

160 How is Mitt doing, BTW? I genuinely feel bad for him after what he went thru...and needless to say, the libs will not show any decency or let up on him.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (Ec6wH)

Well now the knee-jerk republicans are piling on by condemning comments Romney made about Barky buying votes. Nevermind that he's completely correct.

Posted by: yinzer at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (/Mla1)

161 I've got a spare factory that needs a product.

I wonder how much one of the brands and related equipment would be?

Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2012 10:44 AM (ZDsRL)

162 145 SC,

exactly....

eat the stupid and make the stupid eat themselves....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:44 AM (LRFds)

163 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (79ueO)

Lovely.

Some of those rockets are going right over the town where my mom was born and my grandparents lived for most of their lives.

The Arabs are lucky that it's Jews they are fucking with.

Netanyahu should announce that they will be bulldozing a larger buffer zone every time the pallies build a longer range rocket. Pretty soon there won't be any Gaza left, and the problem will be solved.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:44 AM (GsoHv)

164 My retired UAW father and uncle are going to be fuming over Hostess's evil and greedy action when I see them this weekend. They'll probably invent a new language of curse words when slandering the Hostess CEO. And they'll blame Republicans.

Gonna be fun...

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 16, 2012 10:44 AM (cv5Iw)

165 157 Polynikes,

now now surferDoc is a great guy and he gave us the chance to see if there really is no difference between a republican and democrat...

so let's get our of Obama's way

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:45 AM (LRFds)

166 Looks like they didn't really vote themselves pay raises, they converted performance based bonuses into salary prior to entering Chapter 11. I guess there's a rule against those types of bonuses for companies in bankruptcy proceedings:
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304072004577323993512506050.html">Hostess Creditors questions raises</a>

Posted by: pete at November 16, 2012 10:45 AM (VIY20)

167 No more Fruit Pies...

Bad enough the left destroyed my country, but sheesh. This is catastrophic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:45 AM (XkWWK)

168
For the first 52 (roughly) weeks, that is unemployment that the company had paid into. It works that way here in Illinois, also. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM ========================================================I notice they said "most." I wonder (no pun intended ) if that will apply to the Bakers union ? And how much does the bankruptcy affect this?
Posted by: Deanna at November 16, 2012 10:38 AM (7pgUn)


They'll probably get the same, and then when that is exhausted, they go on union unemployment.

Just a wag.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:45 AM (C32qD)

169 If HAMAS hits the Dome of the Rock obviously it's the fault of the Zionists and Crusaders. Islamologic 101.

Posted by: Beagle at November 16, 2012 10:45 AM (sOtz/)

170 My God,no Sno Balls?


There are effective new medical treatments available for that.

Posted by: The Keebler Elves at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (pwyhn)

171 Hostess didn't really have much of a "business plan, going forward."
When every one of your products, including the bread, is on the
contraband list that could be expected to be inspected and seized in a
schoolboy's lunchbucket, the handwriting is pretty much on the wall.
It's not as if they had a whole-wheat and yogurt Twinkie on the bench
and ready to go.

The EPA had already labelled the smell of baking bread as a form of pollution.

Recognizing
the joint effort, and not wanting to deprive unions of credit for this,
but really, Hostess was brought down by Michelle Obama, et al. (As in,
"I et it al.")

And since their unhealthy output was "obsolete,"
all the ex-workers are candidates for Trade Re-adjustment and extended
unemployment benefits.

Posted by: comatus at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (qaVK+)

172 And someone will buy the brand and formulas because those have value. Move all production to a right to work state, and we will all be able to get our twinkies and wonderbread.

Posted by: SH at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (gmeXX)

173 158

... what will happen if Hamas hits the Dome of the Rock Mosque ...

The LULZ would be epic.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (L7hol)


They will claim a Jooo conspiracy. The IDF did it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (XkWWK)

174 First they came for the twinkies, but I was a chocaholic and I said nothing....

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (qZRKf)

175 ... what will happen if Hamas hits the Dome of the Rock Mosque ...

Posted by: ET at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (s72/N)

That is a golden opportunity. Israel should destroy it and then say that it was the crazy pallies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (GsoHv)

176 Seriously, though, did the workers not bother to think that all the way through?

They didn't just ruin 13000 other lives, they did far worse than that.

Full liquidation means also discharging any current and future obligations. So all those retirees who were drawing pensions? Yeah, they don't get pensions anymore. Retiree health benefits? Gone. COBRA insurance? Doesn't apply to companies that liquidate through bankruptcy. Unemployment? Likewise.

Full liquidation SUCKS for all current and prior employees.

And that doesn't even get into the ancillary losses- how many tons of flour and sugar does Hostess use in a day? How many gallons of gasoline did their trucks use on their deliveries?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (8y9MW)

177 Michelle hates Twinkies, Ding-Dong's and Ho-Ho's.......
The companies fate is sealed.

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (oKH8p)

------------
No no no. She hates that YOU have them. You don't get an ass like that eating vegetables.

Posted by: RWC at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (fWAjv)

178 156 Tickled Pink,


someone asked why not try to do a save on Hostess?

and I asked why so you can be called a time traveler vulture capitalist who causes cancer?

Nah fuck it I can do without twinkies a lot more than the union fuckhole can do without pay.

let it burn

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (LRFds)

179 It just reeks of contempt, but then the Teamsters are the one trade union in the US that seems to understand reality.

Some of the mouthier baker union guys are gonna get tuned up medieval style by some out of work Teamsters...because that's the way they roll.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (U7L6C)

180 5680 are responsible for ruining 12820 other peoples' lives.





Posted by: cajun carrot
---

That is the way unions roll.

Looks like an 18,500 unit surge in o-phones, food stamps and all kinds of other hand outs going their way.

Posted by: sTevo at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (VMcEw)

181 At least I have my Yodels, yippie.
Posted by: Jaimo at November 16, 2012 10:32 AM (9U1OG)

Hostess owns Drake.

Posted by: eman at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (sRus3)

182 Netanyahu should announce that they will be bulldozing a larger buffer zone every time the pallies build a longer range rocket.


The Rachel Corridor?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (pwyhn)

183 15099
I posted this on the last thread, but get a load of the mullet.
http://is.gd/0gw70pPosted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (/kI1Q)


From the looks of that guy, they had good dental coverage.
Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2012 10:42 AM (X6akg)He said he was three years from retiring.....at what? 52?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (De7kI)

184 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2012 10:46 AM (XkWWK)

Built practically on top of the Temple?

Fuck 'em.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (GsoHv)

185 176 Allen G,


yeah Allen you know how much I am worried about the pensioners?

About as much as ohio worried about the Delphi workers'.....


fuck 'em let it burn

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (LRFds)

186 By the way surfer, I don't care if Romney was Republican, a RINO, dull, a Democrat, a DINO, or Barney the Purple Dinosaur. He could have been the biggest yawner to hit the campaign trail in history. Don't care.

He was uniquely qualified (amongst those who ran and especially between the top two) to help our country economically and financially.

If we have to run the Homecoming King with a C+average over the nerd with an A average to win an election, welp, our country is down the toilet already.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (E1Vkf)

187 131 Anyone else think this would be funny? Saw it on Twitter and my mind ran with it. Mitt Romney quietly purchases Hostess' assets, or he is a "silent partner" in the deal.

Turns the company around, thousands of people gets jobs, the company is booming again.

Then in 2 and a half years, Romney is publicly acknowledged as the turnaround genius who saved Hostess. Romney stands in front of some podium somewhere, flips America the double bird, with a big EFF YOU.

------------------------------------------------------------

I think Romney is looking for an island country to buy.....start over with the richest people in the world - no taxes, no unions....

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (oKH8p)

188 company: this is our current arrangement
union mob: we don't like it , you need to swallow what we feed you, and pays us what we tell you to pay
campany: er, we are the ones paying you , buddy, and as of today we are paying you nothing
union mob: baracka ! you are our only hope!
baracka: no worries, i'm gonna rub some more people of the money they earned and saved, as long as you vote democrat every time...you'll be ok

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (WR5xI)

189 The Rachel Corridor?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (pwyhn)

The Corrie Corridor? (more alliterative)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (GsoHv)

190 I look forward to the first Chinese-made Twinkies.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (pwyhn)

191 Not to worry, Chinese Twinkies will come in edible rice paper wrappers.

Posted by: sTevo at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (VMcEw)

192 The word from the Snack Cake Street is, - Dear Leader was going to bail out the Hostess company, that is, until Michelle caught wind of this and squeezed his little balls.

Posted by: Fritz at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (/ZZCn)

193 149 A couple of days ago I didn't even know a "Baker's Union" existed.

Heh....neither did I.

I should have known.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:49 AM (C32qD)

194 161 jwest
Usually quite a bit but right now would be a good time to get a bargain. Especially on equipment.

Posted by: small town girl at November 16, 2012 10:49 AM (b+dLf)

195 144. Thank You Sir

Posted by: Jack J at November 16, 2012 10:49 AM (qh2M/)

196 >>It's time for harsh lessons to be learned.

But they won't be.

>>The important thing is that these people get no public assistance
benefits whatsoever. In this economy there is no reason that people
struggling to get by should subsidize people who throw away jobs.

In principle, this would be nice, but in practice, no.

You can debate whether or not there should be such a thing as public assistance at all, or what form it should take, but if it does exist, I don't think it should be predicated on (debatable) good intentions by collective bargainers.

The point of this sort of assistance is to protect those who can't really look out for themselves (eg families of unemployed workers, etc). The fact that a substantial proportion of those who get public assistance don't truly deserve it (or in some cases even need it) is secondary.

Posted by: looking closely at November 16, 2012 10:49 AM (6Q9g2)

197 Moron minds are in sync.

Posted by: sTevo at November 16, 2012 10:49 AM (VMcEw)

198 The supplier that get burned bad will be the most desperate who worked on invoice. The smarter ones who saw this coming probably had Hostess on a cash basis for quite a while.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 16, 2012 10:49 AM (U7L6C)

199 Little Debbie has several delicious snack cakes.

http://littledebbie.com/product_locator/

Posted by: edj at November 16, 2012 10:49 AM (+QKfp)

200 My God,no Sno Balls?

To every cloud there is a silver lining, I suppose...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 10:50 AM (8y9MW)

201 Posted by: @PurpAv at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (U7L6C)

They killed one of our managers when they were striking in 1997.

Fuck the teamsters.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:50 AM (GsoHv)

202 I think Romney is looking for an island country to buy.....start over with the richest people in the world - no taxes, no unions....
Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (oKH8p)
Hey, that reminds me, what ever happened to those giant "Freedom Ships" that some company was supposed to build? They were supposed to be like man-made, capitalist islands. I always thought that was an interesting idea, but kind of impractical. But now it doesn't seem so impractical.

Posted by: yinzer at November 16, 2012 10:50 AM (/Mla1)

203 99
I posted this on the last thread, but get a load of the mullet.
http://is.gd/0gw70pPosted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 16, 2012 10:34 AM (/kI1Q)

Heh...he said he can't live on maybes....well looks like thats all he is gonna live on...

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 16, 2012 10:50 AM (JWLqy)

204 People who complain about unhealthy twinkies need to look at their Mexican competitors. I gave the dog half of a similar Gamesa brand treat and he took it outside and dropped it. After two days the ants hadn't even touched it.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at November 16, 2012 10:50 AM (9HhTH)

205 174
First they came for the twinkies, but I was a chocaholic and I said nothing....

--------

When I bought my box of sympathy Twinkies yesterday, I noticed they had Twinkies with chocolate filling.

I wonder if they have any left...

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 16, 2012 10:51 AM (1c58W)

206
Slightly off topic, but I want to start the "Give 'em what they voted for good and Hard" movement. I see alot of folks on this board screaming for the R's to not allow a tax raise, any raise as it will hurt the economy. Well, we are headed for recession-depression regardless. So, let it burn. The R's should set the line at $500,000 to protect the middle class and small business and let Obama tax the shit out of da rich. Da rich voted for him, just web search "8 of 10 wealthiest counties in America vote for Obama", so give em what they want, raise their taxes and eliminate all their deductions. Then, when the economy tanks anyway, stand up loud and proud and scream "We gave Obama what he wanted!". Let the media try and spin that.

Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 10:51 AM (VDovR)

207 Snoballs? Can't stand coconut. It's not the taste, its the texture.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 10:51 AM (7vSU0)

208 Hell no.

Do star players stay on losing teams or do they play
free agency? For those who don't get the retention pay think about it.

Posted by: Conan at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (20QPU)

Posted by: Mario "Millions" Williams at November 16, 2012 10:51 AM (cv5Iw)

209 When Black Friday Comes....

DJIA:
12,518.05
-24.33
(-0.19%)
|

NASDAQ:
2,829.67
-7.27
(-0.26%)
|

SP 500:
1,349.57
-3.76
(-0.28%)
—Markets close in 5 hrs 10 mins

..oh wait.

Posted by: Steely Dan at November 16, 2012 10:51 AM (JJ+PT)

210 Hey shouldn't we have a flaming twinkie for this?

Posted by: spypeach at November 16, 2012 10:51 AM (pwTow)

211 Chris Christie and Candy Crowley hardest hit.

Posted by: edj at November 16, 2012 10:51 AM (+QKfp)

212 201 CBD,

In BarackAmerica you do not fuck Teamster Horse fucks you....


I warned folk....

hahahhaa

have a graham cracker and grab a hershey square.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:52 AM (LRFds)

213 If we have to run the Homecoming King with a C+average over the nerd with an A average to win an election, welp, our country is down the toilet already.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM

Tickled - I absolutely love this comparison. I am going to steal it, use it, and occasionally give you credit, but not always. HK w/C+ avg... great!!

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 16, 2012 10:52 AM (DOEXI)

214 199
Little Debbie has several delicious mediocre and/or greasy snack cakes.

--------

FIFY

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 16, 2012 10:52 AM (1c58W)

215 Wait, Hostess owns Drake? Really? No kidding? Shit!

Posted by: Jaimo at November 16, 2012 10:52 AM (9U1OG)

216 Ding Dong jokes to replace knock knock jokes
Ding Dong
Who's there
Ho-Ho
Ho Ho who?
Ho Ho hope you can spare some change

Posted by: Bloody Mary at November 16, 2012 10:52 AM (ZRoGl)

217 ha, ha rob nor rub ...what was i thnking ?

Posted by: runner at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (WR5xI)

218 Republicans should just vote present. Do not actively vote to raise taxes, but let the Dems do it. It would be funny to watch them running around trying to raise taxes, because they know what it will do.

I can just imagine those fights. Let's watch them.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (7vSU0)

219 What burns me up is Senator Bob Menendez: he'll just fly to the Dominican Republic to pick up a two-pack of Ho Hos.

Posted by: edj at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (+QKfp)

220
"I look forward to the first Chinese-made Twinkies."

Mmmmmm....toxic melamine filling. Nom.

Posted by: Jaws at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (4I3Uo)

221 He was uniquely qualified (amongst those who ran and especially between the top two) to help our country economically and financially.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 16, 2012 10:48 AM (E1Vkf)

This.

It was a golden opportunity squandered by piss poor attitudes at the hands of those who stayed home because he didn't support some issue on a federal level. The guy, in my opinion, was way more of a Federalist than many people were willing to allow.

For all the people that use RomneyCare!!! as an excuse. Why did you not take the guy on his stance that it was a plan for a state, not a nation? If he proved to be a Statist after all we had a house and possibly a Senate to block him.

Instead we get burn!

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (UZQM8)

222

This is all a result of Michele's War on Twinkies.

Posted by: Meremortal says Starve The Beast, Go Galt at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (1Y+hH)

223 For the next year they would be making 92% of their wage. That's a lot better than 92% of the laid off employees will be making next year.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (uhkWa)

224 >>The Rachel Corridor?

I lol'ed.

Posted by: LibertarianJim (Team #letitburn) at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (XMDuf)

225 The bakery union represents about 5,680 Hostess workers, about 30 percent of Hostess' total work force.

The insane 30% ruining it for the rational 70%.

I'd actually surprised the union constitutes a minority in this case, but deeply disturbed that they can run over the rest. Kinda like the 47%.

Heaven help us when the dependents become the majority. There will be no stopping them.

Posted by: red sweater at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (CUi62)

226
A couple of days ago I didn't even know a "Baker's Union" existed.

their union meetings have more chins than a chinese phonebook

Posted by: kj at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (qEts0)

227 202 Yinzer,

sorta like "if gorebul warming is real why the fuck are you guys not happy we can exploit Antarctica's resources?'

Look a lot of shit that is not practical will get real practical in the hungry times.....

I aim to be a pirate maybe.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (LRFds)

228 I forgot to add - Obama cannot blame the demise of Hostess on Bain Capital......

Out of the 23 million people out of work - I am sure there were probably enough qualified people to run the Hostess plants and would have been grateful for a job....

Now 18,500 people will be getting government benefits for about a year - and then what?
The workers who keep supporting these unions are in the end the losers....

This is not 1912 - unions are just extortion artists and con men - the government has protected workers and coddled the unions to the point of no return.

Hostess will probably sell all of it's equipment to China and all the top brass will live in Hong Kong - telling Obama to piss up a rope....

They will do well in selling Twinkies to the rest of the world.....

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (oKH8p)

229 Speaking of which, I was at Walmart and on the clearance shelf was a Paula Deen Gooey Butter Cake for $1.79. I bought it. I am going to try it tonight.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 10:53 AM (7vSU0)

230 190
I look forward to the first Chinese-made Twinkies....

----------

...lovingly drop-forged by slave workers out of antifreeze and melamine.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 16, 2012 10:54 AM (1c58W)

231 The guy, in my opinion, was way more of a Federalist than many people were willing to allow.


Mine, too. Things he said when he didn't have to made me think that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 10:54 AM (8y9MW)

232 Gosh, what will TEH Firstest Lady rail about now????

Posted by: fred zeppelin at November 16, 2012 10:54 AM (zL/eJ)

233 @219 Thread winner.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 16, 2012 10:54 AM (7vSU0)

234 The Corrie Corridor?

I'd go with 'Corriedor' for short, but it kinda leaves me flat.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 16, 2012 10:55 AM (GBXon)

235 225 Red Sweater,

but don't dare think about human waving Texas and La to keep 'em red and be ready to leave...

you are absolutely right by the way there will be no way in the united States as rendered RIGHT now to stop them....

run for the exits.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:55 AM (LRFds)

236 199 Little Debbie has several delicious snack cakes.

http://littledebbie.com/product_locator/


Yodels >>ho hos >swiss rolls

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 16, 2012 10:55 AM (DOEXI)

237 Let the unions burn (then dork 'em in the squeakhole with the Barbed C*ck of Satan)... but save the Twinkies. Mr. Mrs Hostess, please move to a non-union state and continue to do the voodoo you do so well.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 16, 2012 10:55 AM (eHIJJ)

238 Usually quite a bit but right now would be a good time to get a bargain. Especially on equipment.

Posted by: small town girl at November 16, 2012 10:49 AM (b+dLf)

My factory is about 80 feet from one of the world's largest bakery mix factories. Also, I'm just down the street from a good sized bakery equipment manufacturer.

I just might be the next Ho Ho King.

Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2012 10:56 AM (ZDsRL)

239 So is this the day we're all supposed to get Papa John's?

Posted by: LibertarianJim (Team #letitburn) at November 16, 2012 10:56 AM (XMDuf)

240 down twinkies

Posted by: teh Wind at November 16, 2012 10:56 AM (HBU8E)

241 Seriously, though, did the workers not bother to think that all the way through?

Lol. They don't give a shit about anybody but themselves, and for themselves they wanted immediate gratification or nothing.

(And I grok the first part; I don't give a shit about my cow-orkers in the UK, but I busted my ass on my "bonus metric" task last summer because 1) I want to stay employed and 2) I don't want to get shivved by the guy two cubes down. Probably not getting a bonus b/c someone in the UK missed their metric, but the feds were going to take 40% of it so college students can get SNAP funds and spend them on Mt. Dew and Cheetos, so I'm at peace with it.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 16, 2012 10:56 AM (/kI1Q)

242 231 Allen G,


I think right around the time he made the 47% "gaffe" Mitt was having a period a lot like the one I am going through thinking shit through.....

I am really wanting some stare at something time to clear my head.

People who refuse to educate themselves as to the context of the 47% are not doing themselves a favor.

Mitt got it he got the whole Helicopter Ben gag

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 10:57 AM (LRFds)

243
To quote Al Pacino in Scarface: "Look at you now!" You stupid fuck

Left off the best part

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 16, 2012 10:57 AM (WvXvd)

244 Gosh, what will TEH Firstest Lady rail about now????

Pizza.
Waffle Fries.
Denny's.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 16, 2012 10:57 AM (/kI1Q)

245 They killed one of our managers when they were striking in 1997.

Fuck the teamsters.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 10:50 AM (GsoHv)


The old man got shot at multiple times, breaking an Illinois Bell (downtown Chicago, imagine that) strike way back when. Being little kids, we didn't believe him 'til we saw the bullet holes.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 16, 2012 10:57 AM (C32qD)

246 Bad news Jaimo, Drakes is one of their brands. From the 'mullet' story linked in 99:

Rayburn said he's hopeful that the company will find buyers for its roster of about 30 brands, which include Ho Hos, Dolly Madison, Drake's and Nature's Pride snacks.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 16, 2012 10:57 AM (UU0OF)

247
O K,... Now,...I am pissed to the max!
I, as a sampler of all things delightful, am being denied 'whatI want' and 'it is not fair'.
It 'That' Progessive Enough for everyone here?
[Much, much later:]
Jeez, Louise,I am sickening myself. How wasI to know what the outcome would be?
Anyone got an old-fashionedremedy?

Posted by: Sugar IS a food group,says Uncle Kevvie at November 16, 2012 10:58 AM (gZD5/)

248 Hey, that reminds me, what ever happened to those giant "Freedom Ships" that some company was supposed to build? They were supposed to be like man-made, capitalist islands. I always thought that was an interesting idea, but kind of impractical. But now it doesn't seem so impractical.
Posted by: yinzer at November 16, 2012 10:50 AM (/Mla1)

They are now looking for investors to produce a time travelling flying car. It's a more plausible endeavor.

Posted by: RWC at November 16, 2012 10:59 AM (fWAjv)

249 241
but the feds were going to take 40% of it so
college students can get SNAP funds and spend them on Mt. Dew and
Cheetos...


----------

But at least you can rest secure in the knowledge they won't be wasting the funds on Twinkies.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 16, 2012 10:59 AM (1c58W)

250 I am really wanting some stare at something time to clear my head.


Let me recommend...

http://binged.it/XhaRXJ

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 10:59 AM (8y9MW)

251 I would be interested in knowing what a Hostess baker earns (earned) per hour.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 16, 2012 11:00 AM (8sCoq)

252 The new coke deal.

A large bag is opened. It is filled with white powder. Tested, approved.

A large case is opened. It is filled with Twinkies.
Tasted, approved.

Nods signal a done deal and they depart.

Posted by: eman at November 16, 2012 11:00 AM (sRus3)

253 Let it burn!

Union idiots get what they deserve, although I do feel sorry for the innocent people they hurt.

Posted by: Jeff at November 16, 2012 11:00 AM (h2wrz)

254 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 10:54 AM (8y9MW)

I think that any substantive changes would have come as a result of budget sanity, not political philosophy.

But the result would have been the same, so.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 11:01 AM (GsoHv)

255 250 Allen G,

quite....nice thing about Myrtle Beach in the offseason is there are plnety of strippers serving drinks in bars clothed...

I used to go to Murray brothers' there was this 5'3" german girl

mee-yow she'd laugh when I ordered Shirley temples and read the WSJ.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 11:02 AM (LRFds)

256 Twinkies are gone.
Tampons for all.

I used to say Raspberry Zingers looked like Twinkies that had been used as tampons. No wonder nobody wanted to sit next to me at the lunch room.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2012 11:02 AM (Ec6wH)

257 Three things:

1) The company offered a 25% stake + 2 spots on the board of directors as concessions for the pay/pension/health cuts.

2) The teamsters union accepted the offer, so even they saw the writing on the wall.

3) An 8% cut in pay is better than a 100% cut in pay.

Posted by: not the mama at November 16, 2012 11:02 AM (kzCIn)

258 Don't worry.

Even if the Baker's union is comprised of assholes, the brands still have value, and will definitely live on.

Not only is *someone* still going to be making Twinkie's, HoHos, etc, but they'll probably even still be made on the same tooling at the same plant. . .just under different management.


Posted by: looking closely at November 16, 2012 11:03 AM (6Q9g2)

259 250 I am really wanting some stare at something time to clear my head.


Let me recommend...

http://binged.it/XhaRXJ
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 10:59 AM

I hate Andy Roddick!

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 16, 2012 11:03 AM (DOEXI)

260 Time to dust off this old thing:

http://is.gd/hIXw2R

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at November 16, 2012 11:03 AM (Lxw+T)

261 Hey get mad at me, I don't mind. But please take a good look and see what happened. I looked at the options held my nose and pulled the R lever. But we here are the high information voters. The rest of the voting public is not.

It isn't about who voted wrong...it is about who didn't see anything worth coming out for. Management skills are very valuable but managers aren't inspiring leaders, they are skilled tacticians. People need to say to themselves, "This guys OK. He has the balls to take us where we need to go." That is what they will come out for.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 11:05 AM (6H6FZ)

262 Colorado and Washington hardest hit.

Posted by: Fritz at November 16, 2012 11:05 AM (/ZZCn)

263 As I understand it, the failure to reach an agreement had more to do with the work rules than the money.

Drivers weren't allowed to carry both bread and snack cakes. Once at the customer's location, a separate stocker would handle the products instead of the driver putting it on the shelves.

Stupid shit like that makes you unprofitable.

Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2012 11:06 AM (ZDsRL)

264 @142: You big tease, you!

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at November 16, 2012 11:06 AM (izA2D)

265 246 Rayburn said he's hopeful that the company will find buyers for its
roster of about 30 brands, which include Ho Hos, Dolly Madison,...
==========
Dolly Madison? What a bunch of blockheads.

And I thought big sisters were the crab grass in the lawn of life.

Posted by: Linus Van Pelt at November 16, 2012 11:07 AM (+QKfp)

266 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 16, 2012 10:59 AM (8y9MW)

Nice.

Very nice.

Got her number?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2012 11:07 AM (GsoHv)

267 I[] feel bad for the workers who weren't part of the idiotic bakers union but have zero sympathy for the idiots who were.

I don't feel bad for any union workers at Hostess, whether they were in the Bakers' Union or not. They should all end up in the street, starving. Fuckers.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 11:07 AM (X3lox)

268 And I thought big sisters were the crab grass in the lawn of life.

Nyah...that's little brothers.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 16, 2012 11:08 AM (/kI1Q)

269 261 SurferDoc,

SD we've been around each other a long, long time and I KNOW you don't mean it like this but I read what you typed and I look at Libertarian uber alles and i think the only answer he'd have tolerated is Luap Nor....

and I will not vote for a nut.

I mean no direct personal venom at you and I am not thrilled the best answer I can come up with is "stop catching the jumper"

Moontards are about to have an impact.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 11:09 AM (LRFds)

270 Guys in the union, if they even get unemployment compensation*, will likely get about 1/3rd of their former paycheck. Probably right about that point in time they'll realize that junk food is actually a discretionary spending item on most peoples budgets. Something to forgo in a weak economy.


* which probably varies from state to state. In mine, going on strike is no different then quitting a job -- no UC.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 16, 2012 11:10 AM (feFL6)

271 I would appear that the parasite has accidentally killed its hostess.

Posted by: Darkmage at November 16, 2012 11:10 AM (F45Zi)

272 Asked if the shutdown decision could be reversed if the Bakers' union agreed to immediately return to work, he responded, "Too late."

Kudos to Gregory Rayburn! Send him to Capitol Hill to put some backbone in the GOP regarding the debt ceiling increase.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 16, 2012 11:11 AM (ojOys)

273 That's the thing Surfer, we are worried about peddling to the lowest common denominator.

Was Romney boring? Sure. Was he a throwback to "Leave it to Beaver"? Yes. Who says that's a bad thing?

Different skill sets are needed during different times over the course of our nation's history. During the 60s, we needed a visionary; In 1980, we needed a powerful, magnanimous leader; in this period, we don't need an inspirational leader, we NEED a tactician. You can have the most inspiring leader and eloquent speaker in the world, and unless he can help the country get out of its fiscal hole, he's worthless.

As I said before, if you are content running a candidate who is mediocre with the financial skills that are needed right now, so that we can appeal to the American Idol mindset, well you are too far gone to reason with.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 16, 2012 11:12 AM (E1Vkf)

274 Why is Hostess so afraid of customers paying $10 for Twinkies?

Barney Frank does it all the time at the Springfield Truck Stop.

Oh, we're talking THOSE Twinkies.

Nevermind.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 16, 2012 11:12 AM (iAUf+)

275
Fascinating that any # of leftist bloggers have absolute knowledge of Hostess operations, management, and financials...

of a privately held company. In other words, anyone claiming to know what exec. compensation was/is/will be, espvis a vis other salary hourly pay is guessing, er... lying out their a$$$

Posted by: Jess1 at November 16, 2012 11:12 AM (LwGY+)

276 Twinkies, should they re-appear, should now be "snackfooda non ingesta" for conservatives. Yeah,I took Latin in highschool... probably not up on the latest street-latin though.

Posted by: sherlock at November 16, 2012 11:12 AM (U+goV)

277 We ain't go no jobs, no money, and no more twinkies; at least we have big bird and free birth control!

Posted by: Sapper331 at November 16, 2012 11:13 AM (Fy6Km)

278
Bad night, just woke up, but I do have something to add.

This has been going on for a couple of years. Hostess had its first problem a few years ago when it revamped its snack foods to be healthier. It bought a whole new production line to make the healthier snacks but they apparently tasted like shit because they didn't sell. Plus, there were the usual problems with getting a brand new line up and running efficiently. That put Hostess behind the eight ball about two years ago.

Management tried to work out the production problems and return to its core products in response. An article I read about six months ago said production was up and their core products were selling well. Hostess had a chance at making a comeback after their triage.

Then the unions decided they wanted what they wanted more than their jobs. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 16, 2012 11:13 AM (tOkJB)

279 272 K v C,

yup....


"too late" the epithet on the US' tombstone

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 11:13 AM (LRFds)

280 Well I won't be able to get that fresh bread smell when I'm at Pinecrest Golf Course in Houston anymore. The course is located across the street fromwhat I believe isa bakery factory for Wonder Bread.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 11:14 AM (m2CN7)

281 275 Jess1,

Yup...you have to go to them and ask how much in for a share of the split on top....

the way it should be.

Liberals are on an Unholy marxist Crusade.....


time all on the right face it.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 11:15 AM (LRFds)

282 That is a golden opportunity. Israel should destroy it and then say that it was the crazy pallies.

Hahahahaha. That would be awesome.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 16, 2012 11:15 AM (B/VB5)

283 "Hostess will move to sell its assets to the highest bidder."

Maybe that's what the union wanted--become part of a bigger corporation with deeper pockets. Find a new Sugar Daddy because this one's tapped out.

Posted by: PJ at November 16, 2012 11:19 AM (ZWaLo)

284 283 PJ,

maybe I hope they speak Mandarin or Russian....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 11:19 AM (LRFds)

285 Why are they griping about management? Of course management is selfish. That is why they join a union and pay good money to union officials to negotiate on their behalf.

Lesson: If you are going to hire someone to negotiate for you, 1) Ensure they are somewhat competent 2) Ensure they have YOUR best interests in mind 3) Have a backup plan, because you are probably wrong about 1) and 2)

I am relatively pro-union -- at least in relation to most posters here. I think they have a place, and sometimes it is a good idea to join (Skilled, licensed Worker unions like electricians, pipefitters, and so on). That said, I have structured my career so that a) I do not have to work in a union b) My job depends as little on union coworkers as possible.

I have found no one who negotiates on behalf of my labor better than I do myself.

General rule of thumb: If your negotiator is negotiating on the behalf of a group that is larger than you, it is unlikely that they are negotiating in YOUR best interests. Unless you are a hot chick.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at November 16, 2012 11:20 AM (gsPPG)

286 @176 Full liquidation means also discharging any current and future obligations. So all those retirees who were drawing pensions? PBGC to the rescue! Hostess union retirees thank you...

Retiree health benefits? Gone. COBRA insurance? Doesn't apply to companies that liquidate through bankruptcy. Obamacare. Hostess employees thank you, again...

Unemployment? Likewise. 99 weeks 'o funemployment!

Posted by: jv at November 16, 2012 11:22 AM (kVkqb)

287
Another true Twinkie story: According to a study conducted by the Journal of Irreproducible Results, pigeons won't eat Twinkies. If a pigeon won't touch it ...

Posted by: Brown Line at November 16, 2012 11:22 AM (VrNoa)

288 Tough stuff. Good on Hostess. And for those unfortunate people who will lose their jobs blame the union bakers in your facility. Step aside and let Obanomics and its enforcers loose. Hell hath no fury like a leftist government unleashed. Stockpile Twinkies and anything else that will help you be self sufficient and liquid. Hard times coming.

Posted by: gracepmc at November 16, 2012 11:23 AM (rznx3)

289 Where is a flaming Twinkie gif when you need one?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 16, 2012 11:23 AM (Lxw+T)

290 http://tinyurl.com/amkypyu

BLUE VS. BLUE -

Screw em ALL!!!!!

TEAMSTERS: BAKERY WORKERS SHOULD HOLD SECRET BALLOT VOTE AT HOSTESS

As is our longstanding tradition, Teamster members by and large are honoring Bakery Worker picket lines when encountered and complying with their contractual obligations when not encountering picket lines. The BCTGM leaders are putting Teamster members in a horrible position – asking them to support a strike that will put them out of a job when they haven’t even asked all their members to go on strike.

That strike is now on the verge of forcing the company to liquidate – it is difficult for Teamster members to believe that is what the BCTGM Hostess members ultimately wanted to accomplish when they went out on strike.

We may never know unless the BCTGM members, based on the facts they know today, get to determine their fate in a secret ballot vote. Teamster members would understand that the will of the BCTGM Hostess membership was truly heard if that was the case.

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Union Idiots on Parade!!!!!
Good Luck - you morons.....

Posted by: izoneguy at November 16, 2012 11:23 AM (oKH8p)

291 Posted by: Sweet Lou at November 16, 2012 11:20 AM (gsPPG)

I posted this here before, but my father was the President of the local IAM and I would hear him complain that he had clowns on the left of him and jokers to the right when describing his membership and the management.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 11:24 AM (m2CN7)

292 I am relatively pro-union -- at least in relation to most posters here. I think they have a place, and sometimes it is a good idea to join (Skilled, licensed Worker unions like electricians, pipefitters, and so on).

Posted by: Sweet Lou at November 16, 2012 11:20 AM (gsPPG)


Unions have no place in a free, capitalistic society. Closed shops are insane and an offense to the intellect and to the concept of private property, from which all individual liberties emanate. Unions are total shit and without any defense, whatsoever. All union members should DIAF, slowly, joined by all politicians and people who support them and all judges who ever rules in favor of the insane idea that being hired to work for a comapany gives someone a "right" to ownership in that company and/or control in any way. They are all terrorists and anti-Western shitstains that the world would be much better off without. They are nothing but a destructive force carrying out domestic terrorism on a daily basis.

Fuck the unions and anyone and everyone who supports them in any way.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 11:24 AM (X3lox)

293 Burning down the economy starts with the lowly Twinkie.

[And I'm not talking about a gay man here]

Posted by: Sphynx at November 16, 2012 11:24 AM (j2McS)

294 #173 JJ

... what will happen if Hamas hits the Dome of the Rock Mosque ...



The LULZ would be epic.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 16, 2012 10:43 AM (L7hol)





They will claim a Jooo conspiracy. The IDF did it.

-- -- --

I suggest either a 22K Blockbuster, or, a MOAB. I'll throw a party....

Posted by: fred zeppelin at November 16, 2012 11:24 AM (zL/eJ)

295 What effect will all this have on the Twinkie Defense?

Posted by: Concerned Litigator at November 16, 2012 11:27 AM (IN7k+)

296 Burn baby...BURN !!!!

Posted by: Chairman Mow at November 16, 2012 11:27 AM (RGDtb)

297 Twinkie meets his fateful in union flames.

http://tinyurl.com/cjv74gk

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 16, 2012 11:27 AM (Lxw+T)

298 It was amusing, yesterday, to witness the left wing idiots calling Hostess no loss because they make poison. I called some idiot on how stupid it was to cheer the loss of 18, 000 + jobs in this economy and some idiot actually asserted that Hostess kills people. How can you even have rational discussions with people who are so stupid that they presume that any person who eats Twinkies, eats nothing else? It's almost as idiotic as that "Supersize Me" clown. Yeah, really? Eating McDonald's three times a day for a month is a bad idea?

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 16, 2012 11:27 AM (E55AK)

299 291 Polynikes,

Nope....my dad was screwed by the Teamsters back in '83 IIRC they just waved as the company sold the trucks to the drivers for get this 1 dollar....

1 dollar and you could buy a mack truck....

Dad a steward tried paying his dues to finish out and the Teamsters said 'fuck you"

No unions fuck you

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 11:27 AM (LRFds)

300 ... what will happen if Hamas hits the Dome of the Rock Mosque ...

Posted by: ET at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (s72/N)


mulsims don't give a shit about the Dome of the Rock ... or anything. muslims have no respect for anything, which is why it's so infuriating that we have idiots in the West who have respect for islamic things. muslims will happily destroy anything and everything, especially mosques and their own children. They just don't give a shit. Westerners are the only ones who think bombing mosques is wrong ... because we're fucking stupid.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 11:28 AM (X3lox)

301 298 Abe Forman,

you can't....now imagine them having 20-30 million locked in votes to add to the power they now wield....

I want a divorce.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 16, 2012 11:28 AM (LRFds)

302 "68

To the posters and liberals wondering why they had to give pay
raises to the management on a sinking ship consider where the management
is now and consider they could see this coming and consider that your
key players would have moved on to other companies than stay on a
sinking ship especially for less money.



Please let's not
be as dumb as the liberals about how life works. Do star players stay
on losing teams or do they play free agency? For those who don't get the
retention pay think about it.

Posted by: Conan at November 16, 2012 10:29 AM (20QPU)"

Then the obvious answer is to force the executives to continue working for the troubled company!!!! Just because they have skills that are more in demand than bakers doesn't make them special!!!

Posted by: Typical Leftist Asshat at November 16, 2012 11:29 AM (P2Ufm)

303 When we nationalized the snack cake industry, we saved good American jobs.

And now, under Michelle's leadership, Hostess has just produced the first whole wheat at under 50 calories at a cost of merely $5 per snack cake!

The Federal Government will be providing a subsidy of $4 per cake.


Posted by: Linus Van Pelt at November 16, 2012 11:29 AM (+QKfp)

304
... what will happen if Hamas hits the Dome of the Rock Mosque ...

Posted by: ET at November 16, 2012 10:41 AM (s72/N)


They'll blame the Jews. Just like everything here is Bush's fault, everything there is Israel's fault. It's a mental illness.

Posted by: Roy at November 16, 2012 11:30 AM (tiOTz)

305 Secret ballot? Since when do they support secret ballots? Oh yeah, when one union is about to screw another. Good times.

Posted by: MoKim at November 16, 2012 11:30 AM (kprEX)

306 I feel sorry for all the potheads in Colorado. Pot's legal and there's no Twinkies? Talk about your hollow victory!

Posted by: t-bird at November 16, 2012 11:30 AM (FcR7P)

307
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 16, 2012 11:24 AM (X3lox)


nice rant.

Posted by: Roy at November 16, 2012 11:31 AM (tiOTz)

308 pretty steep cuts??????

But it only cut them down to the level that non-union members were at. The unions have inflated their compensation packages above and beyond "THE MARKET", when "THE MARKET" dictates that they come back into line, it is decried as a cut.

did the union think they were going to get better wages from a Mexican or Chinese owner? Because thats the only buyers, the truly ironic facet of these types of fights is that everyone wants to throw the patriot card of Keep American jobs, American made, you cant hurt American workers blah blah blah, and it all boils down to bankruptcy and selling the defunct assets for pennies on the dollar to Mexican or Chinese buyers.

Zombieland was prescient, when the zombies take over, there will be no new supply of twinkies.... and we are well and truly in the zombie apocalypse.




Posted by: vikingsfan at November 16, 2012 11:31 AM (kOMUH)

309 Sven: Thanks.

Tickled Pink: I have said for years a good manager would be good for that job. That isn't the skill set it takes to get elected, though. To get elected takes something else. The few managers I have seen get elected got rolled by the bureaucracy after they won, too.

My complaint is that we got backed into a bad plan...again...and there doesn't seem to be any will or consensus to correct that.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2012 11:32 AM (6H6FZ)

310 "306
I feel sorry for all the potheads in Colorado. Pot's legal and there's no Twinkies? Talk about your hollow victory!

Posted by: t-bird at November 16, 2012 11:30 AM (FcR7P)"
On the plus side, I sense an opportunity for brownie start-ups. One door closes and another door opens.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 16, 2012 11:32 AM (P2Ufm)

311
@299 Polynikes
"..unions fuck you"
Grandad found that out the hardway when he retired and the union was maintaining the pension plan.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 16, 2012 11:33 AM (f+TdG)

312 Bye!

The really sad part about this, though, is the fact that we now get to subsidize the lives of these 18,500 assholes to the tune of 99 weeks. Which is why they were happy to let the company close. They were gonna get paid less either way, but this way they don't have to work for it.

Posted by: holygoat at November 16, 2012 11:33 AM (XnwWl)

313 I'm a Baker, dammit! Who pushes the timer button on the ovens? I do! Who bravely puts on an oven mitt to handle hot trays? I do!

You don't screw with a Baker, man! This country is done!

Posted by: Inordinate Amounts of Self-Esteen Isn't Just For Presidents at November 16, 2012 11:34 AM (FcR7P)

314 I agree no public sector unions but you guys are crazy if you think management would not take advantage of the worker in many private sector businesses without unions just as the unions are now taking advantage of their power. Its a delicate balance of capitalismthat most often is not ever balanced.
Unionization is not necessary in the private sector onlywhen balanced competition is present.

Posted by: polynikes at November 16, 2012 11:34 AM (m2CN7)

315 There was a plan to claw their way out of bankruptcy, but the idiots chose to try to have their Twinkies and eat them too.

There's an analogy to something in public life that happened recently, but I can't put my finger on it.

Posted by: red speck at November 16, 2012 11:35 AM (9/Ug/)

316 The Rachel Corridor?

Pancake Alley?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 16, 2012 11:35 AM (NF2Bf)

317 These stories never tell you what the union wages were. I'm guessing in atown like Biddeford, the bakers were making well above the wages earned by other blue-collar workers in the town. The pay cuts sound drastic, but I'm guessing the bakers were dramatically overpaid given the excess capacity and lack of demand in the marketplace now for bakers.

It's hard to accept that your occupation just isn't worth as much as it used to be, but that appears to be the case here. Unions cannot repeal the law of supply and demand, and if they insist on above-market wages they will end up losing everything.

Posted by: rockmom at November 16, 2012 11:37 AM (aBlZ1)

318 Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

Posted by: Butters at November 16, 2012 11:38 AM (NIZHJ)

319 It is not from the benevolence of the baker, the brewer... Ah, fuck it......

Posted by: Zombie Adam Smith at November 16, 2012 11:38 AM (kVkqb)

320 just one more note, if this product is as iconic and an american staple as some want to believe, there will be a run on the brands.


I personally will buy a few boxes of ding dongs, just interested to see if hostess is really all that in the american psyche.

Posted by: vikingsfan at November 16, 2012 11:41 AM (kOMUH)

321
Vae victis!

Losers.

Posted by: Muffin Man at November 16, 2012 11:41 AM (f+TdG)

322

>>> If feel bad for the workers who weren't part of the idiotic bakers union but have zero sympathy for the idiots who were

Well, I don't know about that. Often, joining the union is a requirement to getting a certain job. I guarantee you that many of these people were not happy about the strike. In fact the article even said that some workers crossed the picket line.

Posted by: dan-O at November 16, 2012 11:41 AM (sWycd)

323 #312 Not 99 weeks anymore, that was a temporary extension that expired and was not renewed. In fact, some think the main reason the UE rate crept downward this summer was because the people who got the full 99 weeks had to get off their asses and find a job.Most of these workers are only going to get 6 months of checks, and in Maine I bet the benefit is pretty small compared to what these folks were making.

18,000 pink slips at Christmas. That is just horrible.

Posted by: rockmom at November 16, 2012 11:42 AM (aBlZ1)

324
Who is Dolly Madison?

Posted by: Hostess Shrugged at November 16, 2012 11:42 AM (tOkJB)

325 313 I'm a Baker, dammit! Who pushes the timer button on the ovens? I do! Who bravely puts on an oven mitt to handle hot trays? I do!

You don't screw with a Baker, man! This country is done!


*****

Made me laugh

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 11:42 AM (piMMO)

326 These clowns were vastly over paid.

Yea, they'll get a year of unemployment at substantially less than their gold bricking job, but then they're fucked. You're talking about a job at WalMart in the future. good luck!

I'm just amazed how stupid some people can be,

Posted by: McAdams at November 16, 2012 11:43 AM (VXCI4)

327 How bout that hopey changey comrade!

Posted by: Comrade Kulak at November 16, 2012 11:44 AM (Kflw4)

328 When I was a teenager, there was a refinery in East Chicago, IN, that had the same thing happen. They told them not to go on strike because the union's demands would prevent the refinery from making even a tiny profit. The unions decided that was a lie, so went on strike and the owner's shut the refinery down, mothballed it, and decades later, it is still padlocked.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 16, 2012 11:45 AM (kXoT0)

329 I'm really going to miss those bagged chocolate donuts

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 11:45 AM (piMMO)

330 314

Polynikes, you cannot take advantage of someone who is free to leave.

Posted by: Mindy at November 16, 2012 11:45 AM (6jLT3)

331 328 When I was a teenager, there was a refinery in East Chicago, IN, that had the same thing happen. They told them not to go on strike because the union's demands would prevent the refinery from making even a tiny profit. The unions decided that was a lie, so went on strike and the owner's shut the refinery down, mothballed it, and decades later, it is still padlocked.

*****

Which is part of what makes this so despicable. They opened there books to show they were playing fair.


Maths is hard.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 11:47 AM (piMMO)

332 318
Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

Posted by: Butters at November 16, 2012 11:38 AM (NIZHJ)

More like Unioni, Unioni, lama sabachthani? Worshipping false gods always ends badly.

Posted by: The Wrath of Twinkies at November 16, 2012 11:47 AM (E9Z5P)

333 Why not just bring in scabs and fire the trade unionists? It takes less then two minutes to train for most factory jobs.

Posted by: Butters at November 16, 2012 11:48 AM (NIZHJ)

334 Time we get with Alinsky tactics -- personilize the target , freeze it and ridicule it. The fucking UNIONS took away your Twinkies. Fuckers.

Posted by: Anabolic State at November 16, 2012 11:50 AM (/Sk0R)

335 What makes me mad is we could have watched the same thing with the UAW had it not been for Dubya bailing them out.

Everyone knows the unions put GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy, it had nothing to do with the Bush tax cuts or whatever other nonsense the Left tried to push.

Let it burn!

Posted by: McAdams at November 16, 2012 11:51 AM (VXCI4)

336
328 Sherry McEvil
Same thing in my hometown about dozen years ago with a foreign manufacturer. Biggest employer in the county (+1000)-- been there over 30 years, union rallied the boys to deny the contractand the company split to Mexico. The buildings arestill empty.We call them our local monument to the American labor union.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 16, 2012 11:51 AM (f+TdG)

337 #323 Even better, although six months is too long for these shit stains. After that? Well, they'll have their "principles" to keep them warm and fed.

Posted by: holygoat at November 16, 2012 11:51 AM (XnwWl)

338 333, The teamsters did not honor the bakers' strike, they kept delivering the product. That is very rare for the teamsters and indicates the bakers were over reaching.

If Hostess fired them and hired scabs, the teamsters would not have delivered the product.

There is more going on here to boot, this is a showdown, but I dont have enough info to make an accurate analysis. Hostess is privately owned, the bakers thought they had a buyer but the deal required a better union agreement, so they thought hostess was bluffing, Hostess will sell the brands, the shelf space alone that they own is worth a fortune, but keeping that shelf space requires product be on the shelf, for them to shut down operations means they have several months product in stock to ship to stores, or they are well and truly going nuclear on the union in a mutually assured destruction move.

Posted by: vikingsfan at November 16, 2012 11:57 AM (kOMUH)

339 People voted for irresponsibility, now they must get it. No soft landings, no pity. It's time for harsh lessons to be learned.

Ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha.
Let me referyou to my November 6, 2012Top-selling Single:
"It's a Consequence-Free World (For Democrats)"

Posted by: Barky Oblame-o at November 16, 2012 11:57 AM (zw+pb)

340 mulsims don't give a shit about the Dome of the Rock ... or anything. muslims have no respect for anything, which is why it's so infuriating that we have idiots in the West who have respect for islamic things. muslims will happily destroy anything and everything, especially mosques and their own children. They just don't give a shit. Westerners are the only ones who think bombing mosques is wrong ... because we're fucking stupid.


******

Ahem.

http://tinyurl.com/bjhzorp

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 16, 2012 11:59 AM (piMMO)

341 308
pretty steep cuts??????


...Zombieland was prescient, when the zombies take over,
there will be no new supply of twinkies.... and we are well and truly in
the zombie apocalypse.

Posted by: vikingsfan at November 16, 2012 11:31 AM (kOMUH)


Zombies elected Obama? Then the dead really did rise from their graves to vote Democrat. We must have amnesty for Zombies or we'll never win another election again.

Posted by: Zombies Are People Too at November 16, 2012 12:00 PM (E9Z5P)

342 Who's going to sponsor Ricky Bobby's race team now?

Posted by: Lurker who's always late to the thread at November 16, 2012 12:04 PM (tl7W6)

343 Parasite killing the host(ess)!

Posted by: Evilpens at November 16, 2012 12:04 PM (ck76k)

344 Take a good, hard look, America. This is what happens when you put looters in charge.

Posted by: Caninepundit at November 16, 2012 12:07 PM (PlKIC)

345
Hostess/International Bakeries has gone through bankruptcy reorganizaton twice in the last dozen years. The company grew in the 70's and 80's through buying up a bunch of regional bakery companies--each of which had its own labyrinth of union contracts and work rules. I think that at the peak Hostess had more than 300 different union contracts with four or five hundred sets of work rules. The company would go into bankruptcy and be bought out of bankruptcy by some investing group.

But they never could shed all their union contracts and work rules. And now the industry is faced with overcapacity. Hostess is a high cost producer. Maybe Hostess could have staggered on a little longer with the union labor concessions they sought--maybe not. And of course Queen Moochelle was on a rampage against junk food--and what's more of a junk food than a Twinkie?
This time Hostess will go for straight liquidation. Shut the plants, sell off the pieces, void the labor contracts--and the pension obligations. Every job will be lost--union and white collar management.
Somebody will buy the brands--Wonder Bread, Twinkies, Hostess cupcakes and all that. The product will be produced in other plants--by other workers. The Hostess labor unions have diddled themselves to an extent--maybe some of their members will get jobs back in a former Hostess bakery plant--but they sure as hell won't get the same pay, and they won't be part of a union.
El tougho shitto as they say in the Spanish Marines.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 16, 2012 12:07 PM (oe1aw)

346
Well, at least the world won't have to live under the threat of Twinkie-addled criminals and their evil reign of terror.

http://scoamf.us/3E

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 16, 2012 12:09 PM (TIIx5)

347
@ 334
That was my suggestion re Obamacare but nobody listened to me. The R's in Washington should have endlessly repeated things like, "If you are unhappy with your doctor or treatment, it's Obama and his party's fault!"

Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 12:10 PM (VDovR)

348 I voted for president Obama and proud of it. Ialsodo not having a job anymore, lost my house/car, just got divorced because my ex-husband said I am a idiot, moved back home with my parents, no money in the bank, no future or career except food stamps and welfareand now a single black mother. But, I am proud of our first black president....

Posted by: FroggaFerd at November 16, 2012 12:12 PM (48wze)

349 #331: "Which is part of what makes this so despicable. They opened there books to show they were playing fair."
--
And yet, there was some striking Hostess worker on the radio this morning saying that this happened because "it was a bad company".

Kneejerk Liberal Assumption #1: Anyone who is against you is evil/stupid.

This is taught ad nauseam in the schools, and it is the primary reason that nothing can ever get done (except through Liberal strongarming). You just cannot have a conversation or true compromise with that assumption is place for more than half the country, so nothing will improve until that assumption is overthrown.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 16, 2012 12:13 PM (s8S6W)

350 http://www.food.com/recipe/hostess-cupcakes-copycat-419930

Posted by: vivi at November 16, 2012 12:14 PM (uGAD+)

351 @262, in WA state we only eat high priced vegan stuff. I'm pretty sure whole foods doesn't sell twinkies.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (5HBd1)

352 check out my take on the Hostess Thang

Posted by: Edward Cropper at November 16, 2012 12:21 PM (Lt3vg)

353
@ 348
Yep, that is the mind of a typical Obama voter in a nutshell. Forget rusults, its all about the way I feel. Emotion over logic. By the way, Pride is a Sin.

Posted by: cool cal at November 16, 2012 12:28 PM (VDovR)

354 This whole thing is not rocket science, it is basic accounting or algebra. Profit = Sales - Costs, when Costs get too high, there are no Unicorn Farts in that equation to somehow make the Union part of Labor Costs work out. I always find it interesting to hear some high schooler whine about algebra and how they will never ever need it or use it once their class is done. When you try to explain to them that certain algebraic equations rule life as we know it, they just can't see it. Sadly, people who do not understand that there are no Unicorn Farts or Pixie Sprinkles in any of life's equations vote.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 16, 2012 12:41 PM (kXoT0)

355 "Somebody will buy the brands--Wonder Bread, Twinkies, Hostess cupcakes
and all that. The product will be produced in other plants--by other
workers. The Hostess labor unions have diddled themselves to an
extent--maybe some of their members will get jobs back in a former
Hostess bakery plant--but they sure as hell won't get the same pay, and
they won't be part of a union"


And I wouldn't be surprised at all if production were resumed at plants in, oh, say, China or Mexico. Imported junk food. Yay!

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 16, 2012 12:42 PM (k4bdL)

356 Idea for a small business: Make high-quality twinkie-like cakes.

In Austin, there is already a trailer-based outlet that sells high-end cupcakes (called "Hey Cupcake!")

With the attention being focused on Hostess, it would be a good time for a business to sell filled cupcakes in the oblong twinkie shape.

Also high-quality analogues of the other hostess products.

Start local, then expand.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at November 16, 2012 12:54 PM (gsPPG)

357 Just left the Hostess store.....one guy had 30 boxes of Twinkies. One employee was crying. The drivers were despondent. All because of a bunch of greedy doughboys.

Posted by: I forgot at November 16, 2012 12:55 PM (HNE+c)

358 If you're feeling sorry for the employees who lost their job and didn't belong to that union or didn't want to belong to it ..

Keep in mind that most of them voted for TFG with his policies of punishing "Big Snacks" and cuddling up with union bosses

Tornadoes and earthquakes don't punish only the wicked

Posted by: kbdabear at November 16, 2012 01:06 PM (wwsoB)

359 So if the median baker's salary is about $11/hour and your asking them to issue a cut of 30%+, essentially driving down a low wage below a living wage ($7), how is this sustainable for any working individual with a family and mortgage today, or even a apartment and family?

Also, how is the mismanagement of a brand essentially to placed entirely on the fault of the workers? Marketing planning, distribution contracts and other top down activities should have been incorporated by management, especially if you are paying a group of six figured salaries to MBA educated professionals who are tasked with running a business to profit by means of management and strategy for growth not simply reducing operational expense and basically padding your margins.

In the area of pension, why can't the Union simply forgo this and seek out 401k packages for their workforce like the rest of us? Why is it one way or the other and we couldn't have put together a more creative package?

Lastly, I feel for the families in this unfortunate result and yes no one at the top will be suffering nearly as bad, regardless of which party or economic philosophy you support, as the lower economic bracket here. The truth is a majority will suffer from the incompetence of BOTH management/ownership and the Bakers Union.

Someone else will buy this brand and you'll see this repeated all over again unfortunately.

Posted by: Charles at November 16, 2012 01:13 PM (CWmEB)

360 I don't know, seems like a pretty smart move on the union's part. If you're making $12/hour (the low end of the scale that gets quoted for Hostess' bakers), a 27% cut means $8.76/hour - and you know you're stuck there for at least 5 years. At the higher end ($15/hour), you're looking at $10.95/hour. Extended to yearly gross, assuming 40 hr workweeks 50 weeks out of the year, we're talking what used to be $24,000 - $30,000 becoming $17,500 - $21,900. Minimum wage already gives you $14,500, and a quick check of job ads online suggests the going rate for an experience baker, nationally, is somewhere around $13.50/hr. Also, shift managers at McDonald's average $9.70/hr, and stock clerks at Target average $9.88/hr, so just being familiar with the concept of work and able to pass a drug test would gross a better income than many of Hostess' bakers were looking at. I know I, at least, would seriously protest losing over $6,000/year, -especially- if I knew the worst they could do was fire me, and that I could make at least $2,000 more at the first unskilled job I came across.

Posted by: alecto at November 16, 2012 01:17 PM (Pf312)

361 There's a sign in town, next to the Frito-Lay factory that says something like "Good jobs and benefits do not come from the generosity of employers. They come from unions." I always want to write on it "Unions don't create any jobs".

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 16, 2012 01:22 PM (5HBd1)

362 Bakery Outlet Clerk Hourly Pay $16.93/hr
$11.83 per hour after reduction. Great money for that job.

Posted by: Butters at November 16, 2012 01:27 PM (NIZHJ)

363 Obama lied (re:economic recovery). Twinkies died.

I got nothing.

Posted by: Flounder at November 16, 2012 01:28 PM (Kkt/i)

364 http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2012/11/for-hostess-sake.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 16, 2012 01:35 PM (5CDzH)

365 It won't be a hardship.

Because the firm went bankrupt, the worker will get what? 2 years of unemployment benefits? And who knows what else Prez Chicago jesus will throw at them since they're union members.

No, this is a win for them. Two years paid vacation bitchez!

Posted by: shibumi at November 16, 2012 01:42 PM (z63Tr)

366 He said he was three years from retiring.....at what? 52?
Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 16, 2012 10:47 AM (De7kI)


If I heard it right, he was actually only 6 months from retirement.

Sooo close, Mullet Man. So, so, tantalizingly close. Oh well. You had a job before you went to work making mini muffins, you'll get another. With proper training, "you want fries with that?" just rolls right off the tongue.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 01:45 PM (3sZO1)

367 if I knew the worst they could do was fire me, and that I could make at least $2,000 more at the first unskilled job I came across.

OK, Alecto, lets grant everything you say is correct. Question: Why then would I go to work for Hostess in the first place? It's not like there are a shortage of Targets and McDonalds nationally.

Posted by: Bill H at November 16, 2012 01:51 PM (3sZO1)

368 I urge all union members who lost their jobs in this action to off themselves.

Posted by: Trump at November 16, 2012 01:51 PM (hx+FW)

369 Awwwww........you were waiting for Obama to bail your sorry asses out? NO ONE will hire you when they see you closed this company. NO ONE!

Posted by: James at November 16, 2012 01:54 PM (ssVbu)

370 303
When we nationalized the snack cake industry, we saved good American jobs.

And
now, under Michelle's leadership, Hostess has just produced the first
whole wheat at under 50 calories at a cost of merely $5 per snack cake!

The Federal Government will be providing a subsidy of $4 per cake.



Posted by: Linus Van Pelt at November 16, 2012 11:29 AM (+QKfp)

And of course, of the $5, $4.50 is taxes to cover the subsidy and administrative costs of providing the subsidy, and advertizing the wonder that is this new treat.

Posted by: Flounder at November 16, 2012 02:06 PM (Kkt/i)

371 On the management raises: what I heard is that management actually took a pay CUT, which hardly ever happens in a bankruptcy. That meant that yes, they were serious about saving the business. Even the Teamsters could see the writing on the wall at that point, but apparently the bakers' union still thought management had money stuffed up unicorn backsides somewhere.

Surprise!

Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor at November 16, 2012 02:08 PM (WE5bx)

372 Negotiate? Doesn't that rhyme with capitulation?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 16, 2012 02:11 PM (qwK3S)

373 dimittes eam et adolebit

Posted by: Nero at November 16, 2012 02:12 PM (Kkt/i)

374 After the last bankruptcy filing in 2004, the CEO was paid $1 a year and scheduled to do so until 2013:.
http://kplr11.com/2012/11/15/hostess-threatens-to-shut-down-if-strike-continues/
So, technically, the head the unions were making more than the CEO. Hell, the bakers were making more than the CEO.

Posted by: vivi at November 16, 2012 02:34 PM (uGAD+)

375 Silly customer! You cannot hurt a Twinkie!

Posted by: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon at November 16, 2012 02:35 PM (VPMjy)

376 Wal*mart ... is... out... of... twinkies... We are all doomed!!

Posted by: Mr Tea at November 16, 2012 02:45 PM (kOcWf)

377 This is exactly what happened to our textile, steel and many other businesses. The unions drove them into bankruptcy and china came in and bought them and promptly moved them to China. The Union leaders do not care. The members have become fool tools of the union thugs.

Posted by: Alborn at November 16, 2012 03:12 PM (/IQMw)

378 "The important thing is that these people get no public assistance benefits whatsoever."

Which in Obama's bizarroworld of course means that they WILL get public assistance, 2 full years of it in fact, at about half pay, but only if they remain unemployed, so of course they will. By theend of the 2 years they won't even remember how to bake anymore.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at November 16, 2012 03:38 PM (kTTUz)

379 DUMB ASS YOU BROKE THE COMPANY!

Posted by: CWA at November 16, 2012 03:40 PM (0RTfh)

380 You don't want to eat that anyway. Eat argula and tofu.

Posted by: moochell at November 16, 2012 07:51 PM (ZHXaA)

381 it was only an 8% pay cut, the rest of the cut came from pension and benefits cuts. the pay cut was for one year and was only a 4% cut over the 5 year contract period.

Posted by: vikingsfan at November 16, 2012 07:54 PM (kOMUH)

382 We can only wonder how many of the so called innocents losing their job voted for Obama. There will need to be equal suffering between the innocent and the idiots because that's the only way the idiots will learn since we didn't have a candidate who considered it part of his job to inform voters.

Posted by: Benson II at November 16, 2012 08:55 PM (CBpMz)

383 Fucking awesome!!
Hey unions, enjoy your twinkies!!
And all you who voted for obammy, please, take note...
And enjoy your twinkies.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at November 16, 2012 10:06 PM (PL2Yo)

384 More evidence that the Left really does believe that there's a Golden Goose out there laying enough golden eggs for everyone, except that The Rich and Evil Corporations keep stealing them.

Posted by: OldWhig at November 17, 2012 03:49 PM (8nop5)

385 Obama: Is the economy done roasting?

WH staff dweeb: No sir, per your orders it isn't crispy yet!

Obama: Call me when it tastes like burnt dog! I love the smell of burnt dog in the morning! It smells like victory.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 17, 2012 10:09 PM (5OPWq)

386 Hostess had a steeply declining market share. It was swirling the bowl no matter what. I'm curious how many of you could live with a 32% paycut after 5 years of inflation. How many of you would want to, knowing your job was probably going away anyway? Congratulations to those who judge without putting yourselves in those shoes for at least a minute. It's okay to force workers to take lower wages, but not for workers to refuse. Extortion works both ways. When workers are extorted, every working person loses, as it drives down the prevailing wage. Ultimately, that will be your wages. You all need to stop listening to Fox and take up arms against the real enemy - globalization. It's ruining every industrialized nation. Workers in China make about 10% of what we do. In Vietnam, they make 3%. Who here is willing to compete with that? Morons. Absolute ignorant morons.

Posted by: Alfred Nobel at November 24, 2012 01:59 PM (JKBfL)






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