Congressional Panel Pins Blame For MF Global Collapse on Jon Corzine (D)

Oh, yeah. Among the dozen other vote-moving things Romney could have brought up -- former Democratic governor and big Obama bundler Jon Corzine, either incompetent or thieving or, as it usually is, both.

So, he was at fault. I'm glad we know now, on November 13th.

In a summary of a report due for release on Thursday morning, Rep. Randy Neugebauer of the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations said Corzine "dramatically changed MF Global's business model without fully understanding the risks associated with such a radical transformation."

The Republican-led subcommittee didn't directly address whether laws were broken at MF Global, but provided sharp criticism of Corzine's management. Mike Capuano, the subcommittee's ranking Democrat, said that while he agreed with a number of the report's observations, he was not signing onto it because of insufficient time for review. He and other Democrats will instead submit an addendum to the majority's findings.

Can't wait for that addendum. Let me guess. "Mistakes were made."

Posted by: Ace at 04:27 PM



Comments

1 And now that he issued a sincere, heartfelt apology, Hamid Corzine will sail through the senate and be our next Secretary of the Treasury.

My fucking hair hurts.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:29 PM (vCK/R)

2 Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 14, 2012 04:29 PM (++kZl)

3 More Lee Atwater, less Karl Rove.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 14, 2012 04:29 PM (BoSqq)

4 3 More Lee Atwater, less Karl Rove.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 14, 2012 04:29 PM (BoSqq)


More George Patton/Gunny Hartmann, less Alfalfa Switzer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:30 PM (vCK/R)

5 Ch'hee!

< shart >

Posted by: Honey Boo Boo voter at November 14, 2012 04:30 PM (uoA/0)

6 I sure like a lot about that Romney guy. He's a heck of a fella. Damn, those Olympics went off without a hitch.

Posted by: Preznit Barry at November 14, 2012 04:30 PM (Zs83Q)

7 This is just so... what's the word I'm looking for?

Unexpected?

Yeah, that's it. Unexpected.

Posted by: cranky-d at November 14, 2012 04:31 PM (HDtn6)

8 I eagerly await the day when Fat Man is the next "former governor of New Jersey"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 04:31 PM (wwsoB)

9 Show me the money!!

Posted by: Jerry McCorzine at November 14, 2012 04:31 PM (4pSIn)

10 I wonder when the Congressional panel will come out with the shocking finding that Obama has raised the national debt by more in 4 years than the evil Bush did in 8?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 14, 2012 04:31 PM (++kZl)

11 Let it burn.

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 14, 2012 04:31 PM (Q8Wa9)

12 He has my full confidence.

Posted by: O'Bumbles at November 14, 2012 04:32 PM (71LDo)

13 Thankfully, it was only $1.2 billion.

Posted by: eureka! at November 14, 2012 04:32 PM (UL+ny)

14
Rep. Randy Neugebauer ‏@RandyNeugebauer

After year-long study, my subcmte finds that Corzine led to MFGlobal bankruptcy and missing customer funds




One year and still couldn't get it done in time.....


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 14, 2012 04:32 PM (kdS6q)

15 "Mistakes were made."

Pressure was brought to bear. Calls were taken. People were bribed.

Yada Yada Yada. Blah Blah Blah.

Nothing ever happens to these politically connected people, maybe a hand slap, but they always keep their ill gotten gains.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM (PHb2k)

16 FOUR MORE YEARS

Posted by: tsj017 at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM (4YUWF)

17 Corzine bundled for Obama. Absolutely NOTHING will happen to him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM (T8WRP)

18
and geoff's graph is another thing we didn't use

Obama's Stimulus was a huge failure. Moreover, Obama made projections, guarantees for the Stimulus regarding unemployment.

Obama showed a failure to understand basic economics and we never bothered to mention that during the campaign.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM (v8xyR)

19 Can't wait for that addendum. Let me guess. "Mistakes were made."

Shit Happens



Posted by: Democrat Addendum at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM (wwsoB)

20 @BloombergNews
BREAKING: Texas Instruments cutting 1,700 jobs, taking $325 million charge



burble...

Posted by: Honey Boo Boo voter at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM (uoA/0)

21 Perhaps there's justice in the next life.

Posted by: tsj017 at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM (4YUWF)

22
Among the dozen other vote-moving things Romney could have brought up
Romney didn't go for the throat. He played the nice guy while Obama was busy demonizing him. And he got the same result as John McCain. But the Republican establishment tells me it was the Tea Party's fault, or something.

Posted by: ronnie raygun at November 14, 2012 04:34 PM (VDovR)

23 Capuano is Exhibit A in the explication of just howthoroughly a boundless dedication to betrayal of Constitutional principle, bipartisan comity, and basic human decencyhave taken over the core of the Democratic Party since the passing of such giants as Scoop Jackson and D.P. Moynihan.

It may be time not only for a third party but perhaps for a fourth as well.

Posted by: RamonAllones at November 14, 2012 04:34 PM (3lLli)

24 17 Corzine bundled for Obama. Absolutely NOTHING will happen to him.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM (T8WRP)


I think I found the missing money. And then suddenly, I went mis---

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:34 PM (vCK/R)

25 Shit you thought that house in Hawaii I was rumored to have bought was big? I got reelected bitches, wait until you see the house I buy in 2016 now that I'll have an extra four years to launder money.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at November 14, 2012 04:34 PM (/YJYi)

26 negativity ? eewww

Posted by: M.Romney at November 14, 2012 04:34 PM (EZl54)

27 Do you know who I am?!! I was making my bones while you were banging cheerleaders !!!!

Posted by: Moe Corzine at November 14, 2012 04:35 PM (wwsoB)

28 I seem to remember our beloved dear leader, his arm around this guys shoulder and saying something like 'this is our guy on wall street'.
Must have been a dream. I don't believe where I've been.
Come on, let's do it again.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 04:35 PM (WHmDb)

29 When a football or baseball team develops a consistent pattern of screwups and incompetence, who gets fired?

The manager, that's who.

It's time for Choom Boy to be fired. Screw "optics" and "fairness;" something far more important -- and far more important to the continued existence of America -- is at stake.

Read the first part of the Declaration of Independence. It does not give free passes to cowards, eunuchs and traitors.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 14, 2012 04:35 PM (yKUrR)

30
@20 Yikes! thats a big one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 14, 2012 04:36 PM (PHb2k)

31 No wonder the Wall Street types are all becoming DemonRats: They've learned that the Dems will protect them from scrutiny. Ride the strong horse.

Posted by: joncelli at November 14, 2012 04:36 PM (RD7QR)

32 I blame The MotherF*cking Global Collapse on O-bah-muhh

Posted by: Been Going Galt Since 2008 at November 14, 2012 04:37 PM (Cibtj)

33 20
@BloombergNews
BREAKING: Texas Instruments cutting 1,700 jobs, taking $325 million charge



Posted by: Honey Boo Boo voter at November 14, 2012 04:33 PM

The rise in the unemployment rate to back over 8 percent will be UNEXPECTED

And due to Hurricane Sandy

Posted by: CNBC at November 14, 2012 04:37 PM (wwsoB)

34 The MFM will blow this off as "partisan hackery" if they mention it at all. And he will likely never be charged with anything and even more likely never go to jail.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 04:37 PM (YdQQY)

35
@ 17
That's what I've been saying. Six months after the MF Global collapse when no charges were filed against Corzine, I knew none ever would be.

Posted by: ronnie raygun at November 14, 2012 04:37 PM (VDovR)

36 31 No wonder the Wall Street types are all becoming DemonRats: They've learned that the Dems will protect them from scrutiny. Ride the strong horse.
Posted by: joncelli at November 14, 2012 04:36 PM (RD7QR)


It worked for Krupp, Siemens, AEG, BMW, Thyssen and Porsche in the 30's. Just sayin'.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:38 PM (vCK/R)

37 Aren't we all glad Romney took the moderate and mature road and let Obama define Romney through Big Bird and Binders of women?

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 14, 2012 04:38 PM (XvHmy)

38 I totally read that as "MF'n Global Collapse".

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 14, 2012 04:38 PM (GBXon)

39 I was really looking forward to the show trials under Mitt's administration.

Le sigh.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 14, 2012 04:38 PM (evdj2)

40 BREAKING: Texas Instruments cutting 1,700 jobs, taking $325 million charge

That a green shoot, right?

Posted by: it's not easy being fluffy at November 14, 2012 04:38 PM (4pSIn)

41 Day late and a dollar short.


Fuck you GOP. Enjoy the shit sandwich you're eating right now. You've earned it.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 14, 2012 04:38 PM (UK9cE)

42
Am I the only one who notices something really big missing from Corzine's MF Global scandal?


Where is the parade of victims? The media can't find a victim of Corzine's malfeasance and thievery to interview?

Nah, they just didn't bother looking.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 04:39 PM (v8xyR)

43 Off-Topic/

Question: Do all U.S. states report their election results broken down by county?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 14, 2012 04:39 PM (UypUQ)

44 Sooooo, anyone going to jail?

Beuller? Anyone?

Posted by: mpfs, Trapped in Dante's Fifth Circle of Hell at November 14, 2012 04:39 PM (iYbLN)

45 BREAKING: Texas Instruments cutting 1,700 jobs, taking $325 million charge
That a green shoot, right?
Posted by: it's not easy being fluffy


Gween thoots! Gween thoots! Gween thoots!

Posted by: Honey Boo Boo voter at November 14, 2012 04:39 PM (uoA/0)

46 44 Sooooo, anyone going to jail?

Beuller? Anyone?
Posted by: mpfs, Trapped in Dante's Fifth Circle of Hell at November 14, 2012 04:39 PM (iYbLN)


ME!

Posted by: Nakoula Bassily Nakoula at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (vCK/R)

47 "Imagine if it was a Republican"


Case #241581elbenty

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (UZQM8)

48 Question: Do all U.S. states report their election results broken down by county?


Posted by: Serious Cat at November 14, 2012 04:39 PM (UypUQ)

Yes, and it is easy to find.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (YdQQY)

49 Winning reelection may be the worst thing that ever happened to the Legend of Barack Obama. Had he lost, he'd have walked in after one disaster, but out before the next. Not now. Now, he's trapped.

In the next few years, the fragile shell of the liberals economic fantasy will shatter like an egg against concrete, and all the Kings spokesmen and their MSM Friends won't be putting Obumpty Dumpty together again.

Enjoy your day in the sun, Mr President. That adoring warmth will feel quite different once the intensity shifts. The only question will be, does he roast slowly, like GWB, or flame out hard, like Nixon.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (27tUc)

50 Yeah, this definitely would have turned the election. All those people that didn't give a shit about record deficits, skyrocketing national debt, massive increases in families reliant on food stamps, 8% unemployment, Benghazi, etc. would have been aghast to learn the intricate details of MF Global. How could Mitt have been so stupid?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (+lsX1)

51 Off fall-guy sock.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (vCK/R)

52 29
When a football or baseball team develops a consistent pattern of screwups and incompetence, who gets fired?

The manager, that's who.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 14, 2012 04:35 PM

Not under the new rules of the MBM and the Free Shit Army

From now on, the Mets and Red Sox will blame their shitty performance on Bobby Valentine

Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (wwsoB)

53 shud UP

tryin ta watch "Ow! My Balls!"

Posted by: Frito Pendejo at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (EZl54)

54 3 times Obama and his squad came to my state and stumped for this no good cocksucker when he was running for governor. 3 times. Crickets. Fucking crickets.

Posted by: Pipe Holder at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (VTeUD)

55 Gween thoots! Gween thoots! Gween thoots!

Get yer creepy little brat away from me.

Posted by: fluffy at November 14, 2012 04:41 PM (4pSIn)

56 Romney tell the truth - perish the thought!

Posted by: Gerry at November 14, 2012 04:41 PM (Xqz79)

57
"Republican-led"

The entire leftworld has gone bugfuck nuts.




Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunny at November 14, 2012 04:41 PM (ApGOC)

58 Even this report is a whitewash. MF Global didn't just lose a bunch of money because they didn't understand the risks they were taking. They actually raided their client accounts to use as collateralagainst those risks. That's illegal. It's theft. And JP Morgan Chase has those funds even though they were illegally taken from the MF Global clients. People should be dangling from lamp posts.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 14, 2012 04:41 PM (nZvGM)

59
Yes, and it is easy to find.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (YdQQY)

Having trouble with Alaska. *shrugs*

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 14, 2012 04:42 PM (UypUQ)

60 Doubt the press would have covered it.

VP Biden lied about how he voted for two wars during the debate.

That was barely a blip at Conservative sites--because they are busy being led and herded by the Liberal media agenda.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 04:42 PM (r2PLg)

61 49 Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (27tUc)


First, there is a chance that there might be an uptick in the economy (however brief it may be) and SCOAMF will credit socialism for it and then take it as a sign to double down.

Second, if it does crash and burn, he's going to blame the free market and Bush, the brainwashed masses will believe it and the MFM will confirm their beliefs as they have been doing now for many decades.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:42 PM (vCK/R)

62 29
When a football or baseball team develops a consistent pattern of screwups and incompetence, who gets fired?

The manager, that's who.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 14, 2012 04:35 PM

It's Eric Mangini's fault that the Jets suck! I inherited his mess and I can't fix it in just 4 years!!!!

Posted by: Rex Ryan at November 14, 2012 04:42 PM (wwsoB)

63 Hehe. "MF" Global.

Beavis and Butthead approve.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 14, 2012 04:42 PM (zpqa2)

64 LOL, petitions to secede are now up to 750,000 and are from all 50 States.



Soon there will be more than who voted for Romney.

http://is.gd/Bhk9Wu



Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 04:43 PM (YdQQY)

65 Looking back the Oversight Committee doc dump might have been historic--how many Conservative sites bothered to go through that?

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 04:43 PM (r2PLg)

66 52 From now on, the Mets and Red Sox will blame their shitty performance on Bobby Valentine

Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (wwsoB)


I still blame Bobby Valentine, even for the fucking '62 Mets, although they were colorful.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:44 PM (vCK/R)

67 The first person I turn to for financial advice is Jon Corzine.

Also, I get dog grooming tips from Michael Vicks.

Posted by: Joey Biden at November 14, 2012 04:44 PM (ccXZP)

68 MF Global? Sounds like something for the cables.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 14, 2012 04:45 PM (jucos)

69
The Kenyan vows to create an "strong, aggressive, robust, and fast" FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
And a weakened citizenry.
PerfectCommunist plan.

Posted by: Pam at November 14, 2012 04:45 PM (cgrL5)

70 Ponder this, there was talk of Corzine replacing Biden

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2012 04:46 PM (tZYm2)

71 I get childcare tips from Harry Reid and Jerry Sandusky.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:46 PM (vCK/R)

72 Having trouble with Alaska. *shrugs*>>

They split it by district if that helps.

http://www.elections.alaska.gov/results/12GENR/index.shtml

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 14, 2012 04:46 PM (tf9Ne)

73 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 04:46 PM (8y9MW)

74 70 Ponder this, there was talk of Corzine replacing Biden
Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2012 04:46 PM (tZYm2)


See my post at #1.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:46 PM (vCK/R)

75 The laughs just keep coming. Good grief.

Posted by: NCKate at November 14, 2012 04:46 PM (MsQkt)

76 "LOL, petitions to secede are now up to 750,000 and are from all 50 States."

This has to stop. Before you know it, we'll be subjected to a speech.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 14, 2012 04:47 PM (zpqa2)

77 Greece's economic slump deepened in the third quarter, with output shrinking 7.2 percent on an annual basis as the debt-laden country heads into its sixth year of depression and struggles to meet its bailout targets.

OPA!

Posted by: Honey Boo Boo voter at November 14, 2012 04:47 PM (uoA/0)

78 Is he going to go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison?

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 14, 2012 04:47 PM (Hx5uv)

79 I eagerly await the day when Fat Man is the next "former governor of New Jersey"

I eagerly await the day the doctors have to saw off both of Chris Christie's legs due to diabetes.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 04:47 PM (3x3F6)

80 nothing to see here....not like Bam knows Corzine...by the Sunday shows Corzine will be a republican....

"watch"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:48 PM (LRFds)

81 I eagerly await the day when Fat Man is the next "former governor of New Jersey"



Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 04:31 PM (wwsoB)

six years of campaigning from that fat fuck for President. Can't wait

Posted by: The Dude at November 14, 2012 04:48 PM (tw6Ar)

82 "LOL, petitions to secede are now up to 750,000 and are from all 50 States."This has to stop. Before you know it, we'll be subjected to a speech.

Actually, I'm pretty sure TFG likes it. Remember that he fantasizes that he's Lincoln, so he'd love nothing more than a bloody civil war to cement his place in the history books.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (3x3F6)

83 79 I eagerly await the day the doctors have to saw off both of Chris Christie's legs due to diabetes.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 04:47 PM (3x3F6)


I'm available.

Posted by: Khaiid Sheick Muhammad and rusty hacksaw at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (vCK/R)

84

Been busy cleaning/cooking for family visit and just want to say, wow on the stock market. It's continuing to tank.

All heil the SCoaMT!

Forward, comrades!

Posted by: beach at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (LpQbZ)

85 When a football or baseball team develops a consistent pattern of screwups and incompetence, who gets fired?

The manager, that's who.


Can you tell that to Jerry Jones, please?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (8y9MW)

86 Can't wait for the next set of employment numbers.

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (UZQM8)

87 How much do you say Corzine lost for his clients? A Billion? Pshaw.... Rounding error. He is well qualified for my job.

Posted by: Tiny Timmy Geitner at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (jucos)

88 Off evil sock.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (vCK/R)

89 This really helps Christie's re-election. Not that the fat pig deserves it

Posted by: Jack J at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (4WesI)

90 If Romney had any balls he would have gottenthe press toreport on these things. I can't believe Romney and his incompetence in this campaign.

Posted by: High Maintenance Conservative at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (m2CN7)

91 3
More Lee Atwater, less Karl Rove.


More Jasmine Byrne,less Helen Thomas

Posted by: wooga at November 14, 2012 04:50 PM (vjyZP)

92 Alaska results by county map. It looks like every county went Republican.

http://is.gd/DluggF

I suppose if you go to the AK election commission you can get numerical values.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 04:50 PM (YdQQY)

93 64 Vic,

Thanks for the update.

I am wondering of they strip you of your citizenship but don't deport you do you get to escape Federal Income tax like our more moral betters from down south?

If so I am not seeing a drawback.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:50 PM (LRFds)

94 Quite sure that the Dems held up the report for various legitimate reasons until after the election.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 14, 2012 04:50 PM (kqqGm)

95 Remember this man was almost re-elected too

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 04:51 PM (yAor6)

96 78 Is he going to go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison?
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 14, 2012 04:47 PM (Hx5uv)


Prison? He'll get the Congressional Medal of Economic Justice, er, Freedom.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:51 PM (vCK/R)

97 "Can't wait for the next set of employment numbers."

Comin right up.

Posted by: BLS Culinary Dept at November 14, 2012 04:51 PM (zpqa2)

98 I still blame Bobby Valentine, even for the fucking '62 Mets, although they were colorful.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:44 PM (vCK/R)


But his restaurant has the best damn hot wings!

Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2012 04:51 PM (X6akg)

99 The Democrats seem to have stole another one in the AZ-2.

McSally had a lead on election day, but now ballots are showing up out of nowhere for the RAT. Pima County and Tucson are the cancer of AZ.

5 Races uncalled including McSally and Allen West, and the marxists will steal each one

Posted by: Jack J at November 14, 2012 04:51 PM (4WesI)

100 I can't believe Romney and his incompetence in this campaign.

Posted by: High Maintenance Conservative at November 14, 2012 04:49 PM (m2CN7)

But he was Mr. Electable

Posted by: The Dude at November 14, 2012 04:52 PM (tw6Ar)

101 82 Alex,

Alex you ever notice how I grasp and understand counter insurgency?

Yeah that includes a lot of guy like me having studied "insurgency insurgency".....

An insurgency is probably the only fight he can lose with our force.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:53 PM (LRFds)

102 Corey Booker is actually a good choice for NJ. He is a good a decent man who loves his constituants. Has done a good job as mayor of Jersey City of all places. Loves the jewish people. This guy doesn't just phone it in.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 14, 2012 04:53 PM (jucos)

103 You mean it wasn't Bush's fault?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 14, 2012 04:53 PM (1Jaio)

104 "I can't believe Romney and his incompetence in this campaign.
"

I can't believe Republicans didn't turn out

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 04:53 PM (yAor6)

105 99 5 Races uncalled including McSally and Allen West, and the marxists will steal each one
Posted by: Jack J at November 14, 2012 04:51 PM (4WesI)


Don't know about the others but West is NOT going quietly.

Someone with guts and brains. And the Establishment RINO's hate him.

I'm bordering on despondency.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:53 PM (vCK/R)

106 99 Jack J,

they were bragging about it at 3 am on Wed after the main game was cooling....

"we'll win every recount"....yeah not next time.

We need to start counter marching.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:54 PM (LRFds)

107 yeah, in hindsight, Romney's competency argument wasn't enough to overcome incumbency or MSM bias.

Need to use the kitchen sink next time we go up against an incumbent

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 14, 2012 04:54 PM (QxSug)

108 Let's not focus on these kinds of things. Let's focus on working together.

Posted by: John Boehner at November 14, 2012 04:54 PM (Ezq3m)

109 Jon Corzine should have been this year's Willie Horton.

But, hey, if you're gonna try to suck up to Wall Street for the campaign bucks I guess that might be a problem.



Posted by: JEM at November 14, 2012 04:54 PM (o+SC1)

110
Remember that staggering statistic that revealed something like 95% of Obama's admin never worked in the private sector?

Did you hear that mentioned once during the campaign?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 04:54 PM (v8xyR)

111 105 -

Yes, guts and brains, but 2400 votes too few, unfortunately.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 04:54 PM (TOk1P)

112 1205 JJ Sefton,

let not your heart...

no screw the easy hannity joke.

JJ it'll be okay.

I feel better today than last week.

It'll be fine.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:55 PM (LRFds)

113 Chris Christy is like the mean version of Totie Fields.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:55 PM (vCK/R)

114 "5 Races uncalled including McSally and Allen West, and the marxists will steal each one"

West's race is already called. He'll fight to the end but he's lost that race. 3 races remain uncalled including Giffords' old seat

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 04:55 PM (yAor6)

115 76
"LOL, petitions to secede are now up to 750,000 and are from all 50 States."

This has to stop. Before you know it, we'll be subjected to a speech.


Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 14, 2012 04:47 PM

We're gonna need a bigger camp!

Posted by: Lefties who want to strip citizenship from secessionists at November 14, 2012 04:55 PM (wwsoB)

116 Need to use the kitchen sink next time we go up against an incumbent
any Democrat
Posted by: joeindc44


Le Feex'd

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (uoA/0)

117 Yes. The GOP should refuse to seat West's opponent.or McSally's.
With all the fraud, it is amazing the GOP held the House

Posted by: Jack J at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (4WesI)

118 102 Truck monkey,

oh and he serves a party of communists.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (LRFds)

119 man, I hope we get some Koch $$$'s for 2014 so we can pay for all this voter fraud on our end too.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (QxSug)

120 Remember that staggering statistic that revealed something like 95% of Obama's admin never worked in the private sector?

Did you hear that mentioned once during the campaign?
Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 04:54 PM (v8xyR)
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Those profits to earnings ratios are not going to re-jigger themselves!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (jucos)

121 VP Biden lied about how he voted for two wars during the debate.
That was barely a blip at Conservative sites--because they are busy being led and herded by the Liberal media agenda.
Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 04:42 PM (r2PLg)


??

Biden lies so much and so often that it's simply impossible to devote much time to any specific lie. But this was covered.


Posted by: Mætenloch at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (pAlYe)

122 Obfuscation brought to you by, Jill Kelly.

Posted by: DumboTheAvenger at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (XrGnJ)

123 If you're a messin' with my man on Wall Street you're gonna have to go through me first.

Posted by: BHO, Defender-in-Cheef at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (rzTDZ)

124 I still want to know how you can "lose" a billion dollars. I can stop at Sheetz on the way home and use my debit card to buy a drink and it will show on my bank account before I get home. I find it impossible to believe those funds are untraceable.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (VtjlW)

125 115 Lefties,

We've got you covered....

//Texas LA OK MS.......

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:57 PM (LRFds)

126
3 races remain uncalled including Giffords' old seat

what's the status of each, are we ahead or behind?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 04:57 PM (v8xyR)

127 Jon Corzine? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 14, 2012 04:57 PM (xujvm)

128 112 Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:55 PM (LRFds)

I can almost deal with the evil scum that hijacked the country. But I just cannot take the Quisling bastards who go along with them. I REALLY cannot accept that behavior.

Not one iota.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:57 PM (vCK/R)

129 @102 - If you're a GOP strategist (yeah, right) you're trying to knock out Booker ASAP, if he runs for gov or senate you're going to be battling him for 25 years all the way to the top.



Posted by: JEM at November 14, 2012 04:57 PM (o+SC1)

130 114. 4 then.

NC- McIntyre is going to a recount
Cal- Bilbray and Lungren have not conceded
AZ- McSally

Posted by: Jack J at November 14, 2012 04:57 PM (4WesI)

131 "Yes. The GOP should refuse to seat West's opponent.or McSally's.
With all the fraud, it is amazing the GOP held the House"

actually I think it's a credit to how great we did in the gerrymandering battles of 2011. A D+6 electorate, a popular vote in favor of Dems, and we still held on to the House by almost the same margins. Now we just gotta get folks to come out in these Presidential elections and get better Senate candidates.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (yAor6)

132 Alex you ever notice how I grasp and understand counter insurgency?Yeah that includes a lot of guy like me having studied "insurgency insurgency".....An insurgency is probably the only fight he can lose with our force.

An insurgency in the US would be a nightmare. The technological capability of the average educated citizen would result in a whole new generation of IEDs ten times better than anything we currently see in Afghanistan. Not to mention that the sheer size of the US would make it impossible to control terrain or locate small groups.
BTW, in response to an earlier thread where you commented about a "long march" by conservatives, we need to start viewing the conservative cause as an insurgency. One of the keys to an insurgents success is to develop alternative institutions. In our case they aren't shadow governments, but alternative media and education systems.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (3x3F6)

133 (addressing Congress) "... And there was a time in this country, a long time ago, when reading wasn't just for fags and neither was writing. People wrote books and movies, movies that had stories so you cared whose ass it was and why it was farting, and I believe that time can come again! "

Posted by: Pvt. Joe Bowers at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (EZl54)

134 Corey Booker is actually a good choice for NJ. He is a good a decent man who loves his constituants. Has done a good job as mayor of Jersey City of all places. Loves the jewish people. This guy doesn't just phone it in.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 14, 2012 04:53 PM (jucos)


If Booker becomes NJ governor, he has a good shot at the Dem nomination for President. If he gets that, he'll get elected, and probably re-elected easily.

This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (XvHmy)

135 128 JJ Sefton,

chaos can bring clarity...we may need more.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (LRFds)

136 Now there is even talk, that the AZ Senate race won by Jeff Flake, will get a recount

Posted by: Jack J at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (4WesI)

137 You know who this benefits?

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (q177U)

138 Good thing GOP got rid of those pesky delegation rules at the last convention

Posted by: The Dude at November 14, 2012 04:59 PM (tw6Ar)

139 Biden lies so much and so often that it's simply impossible to devote much time to any specific lie. But this was covered.


Posted by: Mætenloch at November 14, 2012 04:56 PM (pAlYe)

________________

NRO waited quite awhile before addressing it in an editorial.

And it was not covered at all where most of the American audience is at--

ABC, NBC, CBS.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 04:59 PM (r2PLg)

140 @110 - yeah, but a Harvard JD/MBA isn't gonna be the guy to bring up the harm that the Axis of Ivy is doing to this country.

Posted by: JEM at November 14, 2012 04:59 PM (o+SC1)

141 Gird your loins really seems prophetic now in retrospect.

Posted by: L, just L at November 14, 2012 04:59 PM (0PiQ4)

142 Booker thinks O is a good President, I don't trust anyone like that. I trust Manchin before i'd trust Booker.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 04:59 PM (yAor6)

143 @132
Homeschool or private school.

BAMN

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 14, 2012 04:59 PM (EZl54)

144 Word is that Booker will not run. He wants to run for Lautenberg's Senate Seat

Posted by: Jack J at November 14, 2012 05:00 PM (4WesI)

145 I almost thought the Romney campaign asked people not to address it and make it an issue because it might be too much of a tie in to Bush.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 05:00 PM (r2PLg)

146 I find it impossible to believe those funds are untraceable.

Put all the players in one room. Pile some body bags in the corner. Within 20 seconds I'll find out where the money went.

Posted by: Jack Bauer at November 14, 2012 05:00 PM (xujvm)

147
@ 99
The Dem Party/Marxian Socialists always win the recounts. ALWAYS!

Posted by: ronnie raygun at November 14, 2012 05:00 PM (VDovR)

148 I wonder when the Chinese will start demanding some accountability?

Posted by: ryukyu at November 14, 2012 05:00 PM (Cvyuv)

149
If Booker is as good as you say, he'll never win the Democrat nomination.

The Democrats, in 2016, will be looking for someone to the left of Castro.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 05:00 PM (v8xyR)

150 Heh ....

Anthony L Fisher ‏@anthonylfisher

Oct 30: "A Big Storm Requires Big Govt." 2 wks later: "Grassroots Groups Have Taken Over #Sandy Relief" http://bit.ly/QGGG9B


Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (wwsoB)

151 141 Gird your loins really seems prophetic now in retrospect.
Posted by: L, just L at November 14, 2012 04:59 PM (0PiQ4)

My loins have been girded for so long, I put velcro on them just for easy access and storage.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (vCK/R)

152 (Bloomberg) Retail sales fell in October as American consumers pulled back after a three-month
shopping spree and superstorm Sandy slammed into the East Coast,
shutting malls and auto showrooms.




Shopping spree? When was there a shopping spree? Of course the hurricane is to blame for the entire nation's retail sales falling

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (1Jaio)

153 132 Alex,

Bang on...we're actually doing them a favor by offering to leave peacefully if we try that route.

They do not get it.

The nation is over I am not walking with them if he breaks one law or ethical boundary.

I am not kidding.

They quit America in 1968 or 2001 I quit on Tuesday last week I think.


the media has said the game will never be fair enough for me to have a fair shake.

I accept their challenge and will do what BAM is trying to do and craft a new nation if need be.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (LRFds)

154 In the next few years, the fragile shell of the liberals economic fantasy will shatter like an egg against concrete, and all the Kings spokesmen and their MSM Friends won't be putting Obumpty Dumpty together again. Enjoy your day in the sun, Mr President. That adoring warmth will feel quite different once the intensity shifts. The only question will be, does he roast slowly, like GWB, or flame out hard, like Nixon.
Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 14, 2012 04:40 PM (27tUc)


------------------------------------------------------


You still don't get it, do you? The thing Baraka wants most is the destruction of America and it's economy. If he can accomplish that in the next four years, he knows that he'll be the toast of the world.

He wants this country to burn.

Posted by: Soona at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (b0Lxi)

155 I wonder when the Chinese will start demanding some accountability?


Posted by: ryukyu at November 14, 2012 05:00 PM (Cvyuv)

you mean Japan as the last count they owned more of our debt that the Chinese

Posted by: The Dude at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (tw6Ar)

156 Thx Vic, but I am after the numerical values... toying with making a database to record the results of each county in the Nation, but weren't sure all the states even report it at that level. Could only find precinct numbers for AK. Btw, when I stated I didn't know their was 3,033k counties in the country, so this project may not be feasible.

---

FYI, in Loving County, Texas President Obama got 9 votes.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (UypUQ)

157 I guess my sarcasm about making the press report on negative things about the Dems was too subtle.

Posted by: High Maintenance Conservative at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (m2CN7)

158 Homeschool or private school.BAMN

Yup.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (3x3F6)

159 Soothsayer, the NC race is the closest.

Posted by: Jack J at November 14, 2012 05:02 PM (4WesI)

160
realistically, what's gonna happen?

we'll win 3/3, 2/3,...0/3?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 05:02 PM (v8xyR)

161
or 4,

whatever

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 05:03 PM (v8xyR)

162 In the next few years, the fragile shell of the liberals economic fantasy will shatter like an egg against concrete, and all the Kings spokesmen and their MSM Friends won't be putting Obumpty Dumpty together again.

Dude. Booosh.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 14, 2012 05:03 PM (evdj2)

163 I wonder when the Chinese will start demanding some accountability? Posted by: ryukyu

Why? What are they going to do?

And, please don't say "Sell US bonds."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2012 05:03 PM (uoA/0)

164 Some of you have gone wack-a-doodle, people. Praying for choas and death, this is sounding kind of like a freeper website.

I know, its a tough time, I just had to point out the crazy meter is starting to creep towards midnight.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 14, 2012 05:03 PM (q177U)

165 154 Soona,

Yup America gave trhe mad bomber the keys to his handcuffs.

I am seriously afraid if we try to hang on to what was he will enslave us after the crash.

The feds never give you a dime that don't cost a buck of freedom.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:03 PM (LRFds)

166 LOL sock!

Posted by: Max Power at November 14, 2012 05:03 PM (q177U)

167
"LOL, petitions to secede are now up to 750,000 and are from all 50 States."This has to stop. Before you know it, we'll be subjected to a speech."

This Georgia boy is fine with rebooting the American Experiment in Alaska.

I'll wear a sweater.

Posted by: Jaws at November 14, 2012 05:03 PM (4I3Uo)

168
...this is sounding kind of like a freeper website.

they'll snap out of it soon

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 05:04 PM (v8xyR)

169 Alaska actually voted stronger for O this year then in 2008, hmm...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 05:04 PM (yAor6)

170 @164

and you know who that benefits....

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 14, 2012 05:05 PM (EZl54)

171 164 Hugh hewitt,

Yeah...I'm certain we'll be punished as hard as the rabid retards who elected KOOS' best bud.

I gave a lot to the best example I saw of NICE GOP and we got shat on.

Time to worry about right and freedom now more than status quo sorry.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:05 PM (LRFds)

172 >>>I can't believe Romney and his incompetence in this campaign.

Face the sad facts. With the SCOAMF record we should have been able to run a ham sandwich and won handily. Complaining about non-optimal candidates doesn't address that long term trend. So next time we nominate *insert your candidate here* and he/she isn't going to be running against the Guy who ruined healthcare, strangled the economy, got US ambassadors killed, assaulted a foreign country without congressional approval, killed Mexicans by the hundreds, etc etc etc.

Obama was the weakest candidate we will likely face for a while. How does any Candidate X solve for facing a candidate who is not demonstrably incompetent? Nothing in the Romney campaign deserved to lose to O. Not dealing with that is whistling past the graveyard. Yeah you might get one win out of the next 20 years, and then never ever win again.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 14, 2012 05:05 PM (0q2P7)

173 they'll snap out of it soon



Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 05:04 PM (v8xyR)

just need to run Christy in 2016 and all will be fine

Posted by: The Dude at November 14, 2012 05:05 PM (tw6Ar)

174 I have no idea what an MF Global is or why I should care.

But at least I got to tell Romney that he can have my tampons when he pries them from my cold dead vagina!!!

Posted by: Typical Low-Information Voter at November 14, 2012 05:05 PM (2jQGY)

175 Shopping spree? When was there a shopping spree? Of
course the hurricane is to blame for the entire nation's retail sales
falling


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM

UNEXPECTED !!!!

Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 05:06 PM (wwsoB)

176 Here are the closest House races that remain uncalled: AZ-2, CA-7, NC-7

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 05:06 PM (yAor6)

177 J.J. Sefton makes me laugh. Thanks for that. What wit!

Posted by: L, just L at November 14, 2012 05:06 PM (0PiQ4)

178 173 the Dude,

That's right if we just run a moderate not like that psycho right winger Romney the press'll give us a fair shake....


Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:06 PM (LRFds)

179
we'll run whoever we run

and the beat goes on...

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 05:06 PM (v8xyR)

180 IOW--

It wasn't covered on the front page of NRO immediately and it sure as hell didn't make the front page of the NYT--or The Washington Post.

NRO finally did a front page editorial and it looked like they either debated it for awhile or--waited for a green light on it.

It's absolutely disgraceful how little coverage a sitting Vice President-- who lied about how he voted on two wars during a national debate for the highest offices of the land--received.

I don't know how the hell you get around that.

I lost sleep when that happened because it meant anything and everything was possible.

To turn it around--imagine if a Republican candidate competing for the highest office in the land would have been covered if he had lied about how he voted for two wars.

There is no comparison in the comparable trajectories.

And, there is absolutely no excuse for the American media not covering that.

They can't even blame laziness--it was a black and white case.

Here is how Biden voted--here is how he lied--compare and contrast.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 05:06 PM (r2PLg)

181 Bloomberg news service is about as astute as the man who owns it. Yup, that's him

Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 05:07 PM (wwsoB)

182
Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 05:06 PM (v8xyR)

true as I do believe Huntsman is next in line for the GOP candidate

Posted by: The Dude at November 14, 2012 05:07 PM (tw6Ar)

183 if it does crash and burn, he's going to blame the free market and Bush, the brainwashed masses will believe it and the MFM will confirm their beliefs as they have been doing now for many decades.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 04:42 PM (vCK/R)

The MSM bought Obama more time, but time isn't Obama's friend. It's his enemy. The more time passes, the closer to collapse Europe gets. The worse the Middle East becomes. The more devalued our dollar becomes. The higher our debt. The more gaping our deficits. The weaker our military. The more socially divided our nation. All the dirty problems swept under the rug are multiplying, lurking, writhing, like the dust bunnies of Gehenna itself.

More time isn't what Obama needed. His philosophy fails in the long term. What he needed was more short term success, but he got all he was going to get in his first term. His second will be local failures compounded by external failures.

The MSM Praetorian guard will not abandon him, but his guard is increasingly abandoned by the public. The New York Times will be bankrupt by the next election. The new media continues to rise, the old media continues to bleed. The MSM may enjoy 2012 as their Battle of the Bulge, but it's simply one last tactical masterpiece of a dying war machine.

The scale of what happens next will defy the MSM's ability to spin it under control. Trying to do so would break its own back. They may try anyway. But this beast won't be saddled.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 14, 2012 05:07 PM (27tUc)

184 Face the sad facts. With the SCOAMF record we should
have been able to run a ham sandwich and won handily. Complaining about
non-optimal candidates doesn't address that long term trend. So next
time we nominate *insert your candidate here* and he/she isn't going to
be running against the Guy who ruined healthcare, strangled the economy,
got US ambassadors killed, assaulted a foreign country without
congressional approval, killed Mexicans by the hundreds, etc etc etc.

Obama
was the weakest candidate we will likely face for a while. How does any
Candidate X solve for facing a candidate who is not demonstrably
incompetent? Nothing in the Romney campaign deserved to lose to O. Not
dealing with that is whistling past the graveyard. Yeah you might get
one win out of the next 20 years, and then never ever win again.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 14, 2012 05:05 PM (0q2P7)

I pasted it all because it's all very wise. ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 14, 2012 05:07 PM (zpqa2)

185 An insurgency in the US would be a nightmare. The technological capability of the average educated citizen would result in a whole new generation of IEDs ten times better than anything we currently see in Afghanistan. Not to mention that the sheer size of the US would make it impossible to control terrain or locate small groups.
...
Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (3x3F6)


To get an idea what an insurgency would look like in a modern first world country consider the evolution of the IRA in N. Ireland. In 1970 they were setting off crude gunpowder pipe bombs. By the late 90s they were using sophisticated laser-triggered high explosive bombs, had working prototypes for cruise missiles and guided torpedoes, and even sponsored engineering scholarships for students willing to come work for them.

And this was basically starting from scratch. I'm pretty sure we're more advanced and have better engineers. Hell the guys on my street could probably out-engineer al-qaeda with just the stuff in their garage.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 14, 2012 05:08 PM (pAlYe)

186 we need to start viewing the conservative cause as an insurgency. One of the keys to an insurgents success is to develop alternative institutions. In our case they aren't shadow governments, but alternative media and education systems.
Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (3x3F6)


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Wake up! We already have groups like this with the constitution behind us. They're called "states". Get involved with your local and state governments.

And if you live in a leftist state, I suggest you move.

Posted by: Soona at November 14, 2012 05:08 PM (b0Lxi)

187 5 closest States of the Presidential Race: FL (<1%), OH (2 pts), NC (2 pts), VA (4 pts), CO (5 pts)

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 05:08 PM (yAor6)

188 Any football team would look incompetent if they had refs like the American media.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 05:09 PM (r2PLg)

189 it looks like ultimately itll be a net loss of -8 for the GOP in the House

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 05:09 PM (yAor6)

190 So the House GOP held their leadership contests today and Cathy McMorris Rodgers, who was backed by Leadership primarily because she is a woman, beat Dr. Price, who was endorsed by Ryan, Pence, Camp, and Hensarling (among others). Now the "smart set" is digging Ryan's political grave and claiming that this demonstrates that the House is slowly backing-away from conservatism. I would say both sentiments are premature.

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 14, 2012 05:10 PM (YjDyJ)

191 @172

people gotta hurt before they flinch.

That's why democracies rise and fall - economies.

People don't hurt enough. Yet.

The question is, with no significant election for at least 2 years, how will people "flinch" when it does hurt enough?

16 trillion in debt is uncharted territory. Most of economic history doesn't apply.

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 14, 2012 05:10 PM (EZl54)

192 Whether or not any move toward Balkanization ends up going violent is ENTIRELY up to the fragile egos of the higher ups in the FedGov. There is no reason whatsoever that a split cannot be accomplished peacefully and in a mutually beneficial manner. They want us gone and we want to BE gone. Win-win.

Posted by: Jaws at November 14, 2012 05:11 PM (4I3Uo)

193 The individual red states, hopefully acting together, is our best hope of resisting the shit coming out of DC. Get involved. It's in the states that the life of this country resides.

Posted by: Soona at November 14, 2012 05:12 PM (b0Lxi)

194 180 Tasker,

That's true the angriest I got this campaign season was watching Candy "bitch" crowley physically throw herself at Romney to call a truth a lie and then watch the silence as Slow Joe lied....

it is why I fear the nation is over.

The only answer I have to the media involves hard misdemeanors and some low felonies.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:12 PM (LRFds)

195 Don't worry. The GOP has hope on the horizon!

Bill Maher says that Chris Christie is a guy he can embrace. Wasn't he a guy this site loved? Sigh.

Posted by: Dan at November 14, 2012 05:13 PM (/7gN/)

196 Jaws they, the liberal elite,don't want us gone. We are their safety net. We are the ones who prop up their give-away programs with our producers. They don't want to have to provide for the takers. They want us to provide for the takers.

Posted by: High Maintenance Conservative at November 14, 2012 05:14 PM (m2CN7)

197 ok this is strange guys. im comparing results from 08 and 12 and it seems AK is the only state where O increased his support from 08. everywhere else it either stayed the same or went down. a big outlier in the usual results of an incumbent being re-elected.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 05:14 PM (yAor6)

198 To get an idea what an insurgency would look like in a modern first world country consider the evolution of the IRA in N. Ireland. In 1970 they were setting off crude gunpowder pipe bombs. By the late 90s they were using sophisticated laser-triggered high explosive bombs, had working prototypes for cruise missiles and guided torpedoes, and even sponsored engineering scholarships for students willing to come work for them.And this was basically starting from scratch. I'm pretty sure we're more advanced and have better engineers. Hell the guys on my street could probably out-engineer al-qaeda with just the stuff in their garage.
Yup, I remember studying the IRA when I was at the Captains Career Course.
And considering that the guy down the street probably has a full machine shop in his backyard, it's not too hard to imagine what they could do.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 05:15 PM (3x3F6)

199 I was a big Christie fan but his behavior this past year has worried me

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 05:15 PM (yAor6)

200
Posted by: 80sBaby at November 14, 2012 05:10 PM (YjDyJ)

http://youtu.be/lRcle-JgnFA?t=52s

Posted by: The Dude at November 14, 2012 05:15 PM (tw6Ar)

201 186 Soona,

Soona while your idea bears merit I suspect the Feds will not tolerate anything other than secession as the marker for a state saying "enough."

Unless we can convince enough folk to just not pay taxes on a massive scale from a state the feds'll laugh and take our money and give it to Cali.

I am not advocating that as a first step but i can't come up with a fifteen second argument on why it should be done for a stay at home GOPer let alone a squish moderate.

I need to think.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:15 PM (LRFds)

202 Wasn't he a guy this site loved?

No, not much. He's anti-2nd and seemingly pro-islam.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 14, 2012 05:15 PM (evdj2)

203 194 180 Tasker,

That's true the angriest I got this campaign season was watching Candy "bitch" crowley physically throw herself at Romney to call a truth a lie and then watch the silence as Slow Joe lied....

it is why I fear the nation is over.

194 180 Tasker,

That's true the angriest I got this campaign season was watching Candy "bitch" crowley physically throw herself at Romney to call a truth a lie and then watch the silence as Slow Joe lied....

it is why I fear the nation is over.

The only answer I have to the media involves hard misdemeanors and some low felonies.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:12 PM (LRFds)


________________

Heh. Holy crap it's depressing.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 05:15 PM (r2PLg)

204 Hell the guys on my street could probably out-engineer al-qaeda with just the stuff in their garage.

Home Depot and hobby shops have all you need to make IED's and drones.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 05:17 PM (xujvm)

205 "Bill Maher says that Chris Christie is a guy he can embrace."

Is Maher coming out of the closet, or just saying he's got really long arms?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 14, 2012 05:17 PM (Jdtsu)

206 Democrat Governors in the last 10 years...

Gray Davis actually gets recalled a year after he's reelected.

Jim McGreevey resigns after appointing his lover to a security post.

Eliot Spitzer resigns after we find out he visited over-priced hookers.

Rod Blagojevich removed from office after trying to sell TFG's empty senate seat.

Jon Corzine runs NJ into the ground, and for his next trick, makes several billion dollars disappear.

No wonder there is a record number of GOP governors.

Posted by: Dante at November 14, 2012 05:17 PM (aLg9U)

207 Wake up! We already have groups like this with the constitution behind us. They're called "states". Get involved with your local and state governments.

I didn't deny that we should work at the state and local level, hence the "aren't shadow governments" comment.I'm not proposing that we start creating shadow governors or shadow judges that travel from town to town on motorcylces dispensing justice. The focus of alternative organizations should be the education system and the media.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 05:17 PM (3x3F6)

208 Home Depot and hobby shops have all you need to make IED's and drones.

Not to mention that with a netbook and a ham radio you can mimic many of the Army's fancy C2 capabilities.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 05:19 PM (3x3F6)

209 208 Alex,

The American legion has more 3Gen Ops knowledge in its bar area than some nations have in their force.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:21 PM (LRFds)

210 I'm not proposing that we start creating shadow governors or shadow judges that travel from town to town on motorcylces dispensing justice.

I'm actually intrigued by this notion. The motorcycles are a nice touch.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 14, 2012 05:21 PM (evdj2)

211 GB has a Shadow Government dare we?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 05:22 PM (yAor6)

212 But, what will you do when they roll armor on you, which they will surely do.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 14, 2012 05:23 PM (evdj2)

213
"Jaws they, the liberal elite,don't want us gone. We are their safety net. We are the ones who prop up their give-away programs with our producers. They don't want to have to provide for the takers. They want us to provide for the takers. "

That flies in the face of all of their "studies" showing that red states are net tax consumers supported by the oh-so-smarter-than-you-hicks blue states.

Who knew you couldn't take the word of a Socialist at face value?

Posted by: Jaws at November 14, 2012 05:24 PM (4I3Uo)

214 Civilizations are born Stoic and die Epicurean - Will Durant


Posted by: JEM at November 14, 2012 05:26 PM (o+SC1)

215 212 Toby 928th,

11H10 who took Top Gun one quarter.

Any questions?

Armor ain't a cure all and i am a lot more worried about him happily using MLRS to firestorm Red towns than tanks.

Democrats will go total war against any GOP movement in a way that frankly makes me jealous of the opfor's PR game.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:27 PM (LRFds)

216 213 jaws,

I just want EPA's dick out of my ass and the chance to be the logistical worker for a shale boom....

let us work.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:28 PM (LRFds)

217
"But, what will you do when they roll armor on you, which they will surely do."

Only if the secessionists are violent. There's no reason for that to be.

And if they do give that order, just who are the young men crewing those tanks? Betcha the lions' share of them are Southern kids of Scots/Irish extraction from places like Huntsville, AL. They didn't sign up for that shit.

We are they and they is us.

Posted by: Jaws at November 14, 2012 05:29 PM (4I3Uo)

218 You do realize that instead of having everyone move to red states it would be helpful to have a lot of patriots remain in blue states if comes down to red vs blue.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 05:31 PM (BfZ1r)

219 Why? What are they going to do?

And, please don't say "Sell US bonds."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 14, 2012 05:03 PM (uoA/0)


They execute rogue traders like Corzine in China. That would be a start.

Posted by: ryukyu at November 14, 2012 05:34 PM (Cvyuv)

220 218 incognito,

maybe but I'd prefer a peaceful split....

and those wanting to be free to be free.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:34 PM (LRFds)

221 But, what will you do when they roll armor on you, which they will surely do.
1) There are plenty of places that armor can't go due to the terrain: the mountains, the Louisiana swampland, the heavy forests of the NW. Not to mention any sort of urban terrain.
2) Armored units are expensive to produce and maintain, and require significantly more logistical tail. There aren't going to be enough to cover the entire US, and moving them around will not be something done quickly or quietly.
3) Again, the technological knowledge of the US is far in excess of anything seen in Afghanistan or elsewhere. Given a couple of undergrad engineers and the supplies and equipment, I can give you limited production of antitank missiles in six months, and full scale production in twelve. Thanks to the internet, I can also push the specs out to every other group in a network and ensure that you have a dozen factories scattered across the Western US.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 05:38 PM (3x3F6)

222 You know they can now pick you up off the street and you might never be seen again, no trial no nothing.

Just sayin loose lips and all that

Posted by: MarkC at November 14, 2012 05:40 PM (Kf68R)

223 How sad it is that we have to sit here and discuss a secessionist petition when a goddamn adherance to the frickin' Constitution and 10th Ammendment that they all swore a MFing oath to defend would solve this mess.

Posted by: Jaws at November 14, 2012 05:42 PM (4I3Uo)

224 I'm not such a bad ass as you guys, clearly.

A standup fight would be nice if you can't go peacefully but it's more likely to be resistance than rebellion. And as I've noted before, an effective resistance is pretty much just patriotic murder, so I hope it doesn't come to that.

Not advocating, just noting.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 14, 2012 05:42 PM (evdj2)

225 222 mark C,

yup...

and the "ACLU" will cheer...

scary shit.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:42 PM (LRFds)

226 You and me both sven. Anyone who would want it to be anything other than peaceful is sick-o.
But we are not facing abstractions or theories (probably bad word choices) like socialism or marxism.
Our current CiC is, at his core, evil. Every bit as evil as the thugs who sawed off Daniel Pearl's head. Blew Vicky Weaver's head off. Massacred and burned around 90 men, women and children at Waco.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 05:43 PM (/tk/V)

227 223 Jaws,

We burnt that bridge we the north I say that as an ohioan when we won the civil war and let the GOP buy off our silence on their overreaches that the 10th should have stopped with loot and carpet bags the die was cast for this.

US Grant once said he felt the Civil War was punsihment for our sins in the mexican American war

This may well be punishment fr our sins in the New deal and Civil War

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:44 PM (LRFds)

228 You still don't get it, do you? The thing Baraka wants most is the destruction of America and it's economy. If he can accomplish that in the next four years, he knows that he'll be the toast of the world. He wants this country to burn.
Posted by: Soona at November 14, 2012 05:01 PM (b0Lxi)

Wanting and getting aren't the same thing. Obama wants revolution, sure, but not all fires are equally desirable. The country going down in flames and him being blamed? No. The country setting flame to the old ways and marching forward into A Glorious Enlightened Future? Yes.

"I have seen the future, and it works.", is the most cherished fever dream of every utopian around. It's an article of faith among progressives that their methods are morally superior *and* in fact more effective.

The trick is, they realize perfectly well that in the interim, the transition is nasty and unpopular. Now, if you want to use fire to create a new order, you have to burn the old one down quick, and set up your new regime awful fast. Otherwise, you need to let the slow burn work over the course of decades.

Obama wants the nation to burn hot and be purified, but he ain't no Chairman Mao. He can't bring enough heat to light that kind of blaze. His best chance was to do the damage he could, push the nation towards creeping socialism, and bounce. Let the next guy take the fall, the way Bush did for a number of 'bipartisan' programs. Run up the tab, stick the next guy with the bill. You know the drill.

You can't split the difference, though. Booosh is still radioactive, but his half-life is decaying rapidly. Obama is in his second term, and will be on the hook for everything that happens next. No matter what kind of revolution Obama wanted, he's limited by his own lack of talent, work ethic and ability, and locked into a crash trajectory by a combination of his personal popularity and rigid ideology.

He may yet get his fire, but he'll burn along with it.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 14, 2012 05:46 PM (27tUc)

229 226 incognito,

at a minimum he is oddly okay to 'working with the reasonable radical islamic forces"....

I don't know.

I am not "super tough guy" either....I just want to be free to work and not have imaginary costs added to my economic life for green religion.

Barack wants to be national pie cutter and school marm....

this ain't gonna end well unless someone quits and I can't.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:46 PM (LRFds)

230 228 AK,

I may have believed you right up until Candy Crowley and slow joe got away with their games....

the media cannot be stopped without prison being involved I fear.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:48 PM (LRFds)

231 229 sven

I'm no super tough guy either. There was a time when I could do a number of those things better than most, but not near as well as a whole lot of others. Long time ago. Galaxy far far away.
I'm like you. I just want to work. Live free. Find what little enjoyment I can in this world while bringing enjoyment to others. Then pass to a better place.
My fear is that I was born into a time that is not going to allow that to happen.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 05:54 PM (GX2fm)

232 231 Incognito,

I worte in another post about the three democrat parties...

Free shit army will empower the commies to keep us from our resources until they are "nationalized" and soros gets the concession.

Barry is blocking us from the shale to hand it to the UN or Soros.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:56 PM (LRFds)

233 Sven, he wont be satisfied till the elitests own everything. Including us.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 05:59 PM (GX2fm)

234 BTW, in response to an earlier thread where you commented about a "long march" by conservatives, we need to start viewing the conservative cause as an insurgency. One of the keys to an insurgents success is to develop alternative institutions. In our case they aren't shadow governments, but alternative media and education systems.
Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 04:58 PM (3x3F6)

Of any conservative positions, the one that's made the most consistent gains over the last few decades has been that of gun rights. That's also the only issue that has a large, national, viable advocate (the NRA) that pushes for strategic and tactical victories at the state and federal level.

Organization is the key to success. Perhaps there's a lesson to be taken from the NRA for the rest of the conservative movement as well?

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 14, 2012 06:04 PM (27tUc)

235 I may have believed you right up until Candy Crowley and slow joe got away with their games....

the media cannot be stopped without prison being involved I fear.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 05:48 PM (LRFds)

I understand the "Nothing we do matters because of the MSM so we're all doombd !!" but you gotta snap out of that jive.

As an ancient Chinese philosopher observed, while fighting an invisible alien in the jungles of South America, "If it bleeds, we can kill it." So, take heart.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 14, 2012 06:07 PM (27tUc)

236
Artemus, this is not a movie.

This is real. There is no epistemological argument that you can conceive that can persuade the literal millions in this country that have their hand out for "more" from the government, and think they are owed that.

It won't end in 120 minutes with snappy dialogue and clever visual effects.

We could have a real bloody civil war with millions of casualties and NOTHING would change the minds of those who are so persuaded to this end.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at November 14, 2012 06:21 PM (RFeQD)

237 This is real. There is no epistemological argument that you can conceive that can persuade the literal millions in this country that have their hand out for "more" from the government, and think they are owed that.... We could have a real bloody civil war with millions of casualties and NOTHING would change the minds of those who are so persuaded to this end.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at November 14, 2012 06:21 PM (RFeQD)

Your first point is correct. While some people say 'Let it burn' out of frustration, I'm on board because I understand human nature. Most people don't learn by the mistakes of others; they need to feel the consequences personally before the lesson is absorbed.

Your second point? No, not the case. Enough death changes most minds, and silences the rest. Its the lack of collision with reality that has so many modern progressives sounding like religious fanatics. They'll lose that pitch faster than they got it, once Let It Burn goes nationwide. Most of them, anyway. Some will go to their graves clutching their progressive illusions, but they'll die just the same.

Liberals aren't zombies; just fools who have been shielded from the consequences of their actions. Fools can be taught. But not gently.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 14, 2012 06:32 PM (27tUc)

238 One man's failings. Move along.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 14, 2012 06:36 PM (fCMdQ)

239 235 AK,

I don't know how happy ace would be for me to go into precise detail at how easy it would be for me to teach Piss Matthews Journalistic integrity....

so "crickets"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 06:42 PM (LRFds)

240 236 CJ Burch,

Free Shit Army will not be happy with your shit they will either control your life or destroy you.

That is what IPAB is part of.

I'm 40 won;t get to retire until 70-72 if ever and they will kill me with IPAB at 62....

I am not gonna get more rabid but we can either fix things now or wait until we have 20 million more non American americans in here for the fun.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 06:44 PM (LRFds)

241 Romney could've said this 1000 times and it wouldn't matter. Truth is, we've got half the population who thinks Obama is god on earth. They wouldn't care if he bites heads off little white babies every day, they'd still vote for him.

We're dealing with a new phenomenon never seen in American politics before. A new kind of animal. Stalin was a monster, and yet it didn't matter. NY times reporters praised him as the greatest leader in world history. We're seeing the same with Obama. Obama knows it too. He lies blatantly every time he speaks. Does it matter? Nope. Even to the so called press? NOPE

Before you do business with anyone, or date someone.. do some homework. If they voted for Obama, you simply cannot trust them. They are cultists.. Bizarre, self hating, "I hate my own children" cultists.

SICK

Posted by: The Teller of Hard Facts at November 15, 2012 12:36 AM (YAGzS)

242 My, this certainly has been a news-filled week!

Barky is getting all the bad news out quick so the sheeple forget about it in four years when Michelle runs for preezy.

Posted by: PJ at November 15, 2012 01:01 AM (ZWaLo)

243 Corzine had problems paying all his bills and paying Bill Clinton his hugeconsulting fees.

Posted by: burt at November 15, 2012 12:20 PM (8kEad)






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