Krugman, Lefties Advise "No Compromise" Policy For Obama

We are to compromise infinitely, while they are to compromise nothing.

Got it.

Among the reasons I'm despondent about the election is that the media won. They won big. Their outrageous slant to the Democratic/liberal/progressive/leftist side won an election, and they're not paying a price for it. Oh, they'll continue diminishing, as they've been doing for a while, but it's a slow process. There is never a moment when they're truly repudiated.

My usual practice would be to post this sort of story and then say "Media fails to notice progressive left's hypocrisy." I can barely even write those words. So what? It's been said (literally) ten million times, and it doesn't matter. The bad guys win. The bad guys profit.

I renew my call: Boycott NBC. Someone has to pay a price. At some point we must either change the game or simply resign ourselves to losing, given the game's current rules and current players.

Posted by: Ace at 10:39 AM



Comments

1 1st?

Posted by: willy at November 14, 2012 10:41 AM (kUCQ4)

2 MSM delenda est!

Posted by: Al Shabbah at November 14, 2012 10:41 AM (MLJu8)

3 It seems to me the solution to this is to simply have wealthy conservatives buy up media outlets.

Think of the hundreds of millions people like Rove wasted on the last election. Conservatives spend well over a billion every election cycle. That buys a lot of newspapers and television stations.

Buy the stations in swing states and watch the nation change.

Posted by: McAdams at November 14, 2012 10:42 AM (VTjec)

4
I have hit on a possible meme that we can use to fight the power.

Remember, and unfortunately, absolute simplicity is what
is required to win. There are analyses out there, that I pretty much
believe, that Axelrod et al essentially decided that ALL intelligent and
informed voters (including the appallingly misguided ones) were set in
their votes, probably even a year ago, and thus the entire election was
about targeting, not “undecided” per se, but rather, “uninformed”. You
know, the kind that make a four year assessment of governance based on
“Wow, Obama looks good in that bomber jacket, I guess I’ll vote for him
after all”. Those people. Like today’s college students, for example.

So, as the world they have created collapses around them, we need
to provide them a pithy, simple, all-encompassing target, other than
conservatives, to point the finger at.

So what can that be? How about….. the “Socialist Establishment” (SE).

The SE is itself pretty self evident – Obama is to it what LBJ
and Nixon were in the eyes of the New Left. So it is essentially the
Democratic Party. But the SE is, of course, far larger than just that.
It also includes that relentless list of rich Hollywood celebs, union
leaders, the college administrators and educational establishment (like
the one that just forced college Republicans to cancel an Ann Coulter
speech because….. they are the SE and that is what they do), the
Islamist suck-ups, and the transnationalists and green militants who are
categorically about social control, with “the environment” a convenient
cudgel, to be tossed overboard the minute environmental benefits might
ever threaten their political control, because, again, that is what the Socialist Establishment does.

Year 2015 —
Paul Krugman? The SE, big time.
No jobs to be found? The SE.

Gas at 7 bucks a gallon? The SE.

Islam and China on the march, Europe in collapse? The SE.

College now only a dream for many high schoolers? The SE.

Racial divisions the worst in half a century? The SE.

Quote Jim Treacher: “Remember ‘Freedom of Speech’? That was awesome!” The SE.

This is not only short, sweet, all-encompassing, and with great
potential to appeal to whatever shredded remnants of revolutionary
sensibilities might be left in the young and educated….. but it has the
added appeal of being absolutely, 100%, full-bore, up, down, and sideways CORRECT.

If we can plant the entirely truthful meme that the Socialist Establishment is real, it exists, it is there…. and it has been LYING to you for decades…. let’s use the New Left playbook of 1955-1970… well, we just might, might mind you, have a chance.

It’s probably our last one, so let’s give it a shot.

Posted by: Andrew X at November 14, 2012 10:42 AM (Xs8K2)

5 NBC is already laying off people. They're vulnerable.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 14, 2012 10:42 AM (pkkxZ)

6 I renew my call: Boycott NBC.


Could you recruit someone (besides Pixy) to create a website?

Posted by: fluffy at November 14, 2012 10:42 AM (z9HTb)

7 I believe the term we are looking for is, "Let. It. Burn."

Posted by: MythicMeganBanger at November 14, 2012 10:42 AM (uEm7J)

8 Publish a list of advertisers on NBC and MSNBC. In addition, NBC is owned by Comcast. Switch to a different cable provider, or to dish, and be sure to tell Comcast why.

Posted by: John W. at November 14, 2012 10:42 AM (tfFaa)

9 Havent been watching NBC for years and I canceled HBO. GoT just isnt worth supporting these thugs.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 14, 2012 10:43 AM (cM7Ib)

10 What's an 'NBC'?

Posted by: crisis du jour at November 14, 2012 10:43 AM (J1eJz)

11
Yeah, and can the national GOP, as in the party leaders and such, perhaps make note of the fact that the media relentlessly buttf*cked them for the past 6 months?

The alternative media can no longer carry this load of policing the MFM. Time for some national spotlight.

Posted by: El Kabong, Honorable Moron from AZ at November 14, 2012 10:44 AM (Kxr/e)

12 Hey welcome to the last 60 years!

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at November 14, 2012 10:44 AM (tkbF8)

13 Al Sharpton won.
Stephanie Cutter won.
David Axeltard won.
Rachel Maddow won, and probably had victory sex.
Bill Maher won.
David Letterman won.
Paul Krugman won.
The empiercened coffee barista at Starbucks won, and probably had sex with Rachel Maddow.

Yes, this does suck, especially when we were confident of victory.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 14, 2012 10:45 AM (Ec6wH)

14 Most TV shows air for free on the internet. You can find them on the station website, youtube, hulu. You can also find them through numerous search engines and either view them online or DL them to your computer and watch. Or you can transfer them to a usb drive and watch them on your flat screen.

I refuse to give my money to Hollywood.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 14, 2012 10:45 AM (YEG/L)

15 But I love that show 'Black Midget, Narcissistic Douchebag, Xtina Cleavage and Cowboy Hat' aka 'The Voice'

Posted by: El Kabong, Honorable Moron from AZ at November 14, 2012 10:46 AM (Kxr/e)

16 Most TV shows air for free on the internet. You can find them on the station website

This does no good. They get paid by advertisers by the amount of traffic those sites get.

Posted by: GMan at November 14, 2012 10:46 AM (sxq57)

17 They won big. Their outrageous slant to the Democratic/liberal/progressive/leftist side won an election, and they're not paying a price for it.

---

We, and by "we" I especially mean conservative voices in the blogosphere, punditry, and elected office, need to freeze out the worst offenders in the media.

I realize that will be hard b/c it's tempting to link to the gossipy stories in Politico, Buzzfeed, and HuffPo, but we need to do it. They are thriving and the MSMers use those outlets as sources for their own stories.

Posted by: Y-not at November 14, 2012 10:46 AM (5H6zj)

18 I think Obama and Krugman know that a double dip is coming. They're taking the combative stance, knowing that the House GOP will want to get something in a compromise, so that they can blame the House GOP for the second dip.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 14, 2012 10:46 AM (mg08E)

19 The empiercened coffee barista at Starbucks won, and probably had sex with Rachel Maddow.


Want me to post the video?

Posted by: Chris Matthews, voyeur at November 14, 2012 10:46 AM (z9HTb)

20 >>>Could you recruit someone (besides Pixy) to create a website?

I can't. I'm poor and Pixy offers his services for free.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2012 10:47 AM (LCRYB)

21 I'd like to boycott NBC more, is there some way that I can watch a negative amount, like a short sale?

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 14, 2012 10:47 AM (SDkq3)

22 You mean I'll have to miss 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer with Dudes and lots of German words' aka 'Grimm'?

Posted by: El Kabong, Honorable Moron from AZ at November 14, 2012 10:48 AM (Kxr/e)

23 I got nothing, their efforts to demoralize me worked but not for the reasons they intended.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 14, 2012 10:48 AM (+4mBJ)

24 That's right, Andrew X. Keep calling people like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Larry Fink, George Soros, et al "socialists". That really works, doesn't it? Ayn Rand is a socialist too, right? Because she campaigned against Reagan.

Because no one is buying that bullshit but Fox News addicts and DittoHeads.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 14, 2012 10:48 AM (g0RWK)

25 They believe in one party rule. The socialist one.

Posted by: Beagle at November 14, 2012 10:49 AM (sOtz/)

26 I posted this in another thread.

This is a really big fucking deal as this is a narrative thread that must be combated as strongly as possible

WHY THE MSM MUST BE DESTROYED!!!

CNN

HOUSE: Dems Diverse, GOP Whiter

When the incoming U.S. House freshmen of the 113th Congress
take their class photo, the image will reflect two very different visions
of the nation.



THIS IS FRONT PAGE, SECOND NEWS STORY THESE MOTHERFUCKERS MUST BE DESTROYED

They fail to mention that the Democrats specifically targeted our minority candidates for defeat.

And now the MSM is going to push this party of white bullshit!!

THE GOP MUST FIGHT THIS ANY WAY THEY CAN!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 14, 2012 10:49 AM (RrD4h)

27 >>>It seems to me the solution to this is to simply have wealthy conservatives buy up media outlets.

Think of the hundreds of millions people like Rove wasted on the last election. Conservatives spend well over a billion every election cycle. That buys a lot of newspapers and television stations.

Buy the stations in swing states and watch the nation change.

...

I was thinking this and want to write about it. My problem is this: We already have Fox, and we already have, sort of, the WSJ.

I'm wondering, non-rhetorically, actually wondering, what a new network would bring to the table. I wonder how it would do things more effectively than Fox.

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2012 10:49 AM (LCRYB)

28 Stop whining about the media because they didn't win the election. People have had four years to evaluate The One and, apparently, they like like what they see.
The American people made a choice.
And they chose to raise taxes.

Posted by: RayJ at November 14, 2012 10:49 AM (pI/IV)

29 >And several Democratic lawmakers have suggested that the correct
approach would be to let the country go over the fiscal cliff, since
that will only strengthen Obama’s position.



Yes, because what's good for the country is subordinate to what's good for Obama


Got it

(when did we become Zimbabwe?)

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 14, 2012 10:50 AM (8sCoq)

30 I can't. I'm poor and Pixy offers his services for free.


What does hosting cost? You don't need much. Static information should be an easy start. We have the talent among the commenters.


www DOT boycott-NBC DOT com

Posted by: fluffy at November 14, 2012 10:50 AM (z9HTb)

31 21 I'd like to boycott NBC more, is there some way that I can watch a negative amount, like a short sale?

Watch the counter programming on ABC, CBS, or Fox.

IMHO combatting the Big Three networks is for round two. Round one is to kill their alternative media, which is primarily just an arm of the DNC. So I would kill off MSNBC, the blogs I just mentioned, and maybe target Media Matters type places.

Posted by: Y-not at November 14, 2012 10:50 AM (5H6zj)

32 Boycotts do not work.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 14, 2012 10:50 AM (Dnbau)

33

Rachel Maddow, the most manly man in television with cut guns, elevated pecs, and a penis most men would only wish for.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 14, 2012 10:50 AM (lDWQr)

34 You guys are being way to hard on the BAMA. He HAS compromised....look at benghazi...he compromised the safty of our people and got them killed. Geez, cut the guy a break already.

Posted by: giftogab at November 14, 2012 10:50 AM (QW2hm)

35 Take heart! The MSM may have stepped in it with the Petraeus sex scandal. He's testifying. If Krauthammer and Kristol are correct about what he said about Benghazi at the time and why he said it, this could get very interesting. And the MSM has no choice--they have to cover it because of the fuss they've made about his fall from grace.

Posted by: Cricket at November 14, 2012 10:51 AM (DrC22)

36 I WON. Suck it.

Posted by: THE ONE at November 14, 2012 10:51 AM (71LDo)

37 Don't forget. Boycotting *just* NBC won't work. You also have to boycott it's subsidiaries. The full list appears at the wiki entry:

http://tinyurl.com/7b2quk

scroll down for it. It's pretty long, actually.

Posted by: GMan at November 14, 2012 10:51 AM (sxq57)

38 (when did we become Zimbabwe?)

November 5, 2008.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 14, 2012 10:51 AM (GBXon)

39 Among the reasons I'm despondent about the election is that the media won.
___
There's too many lazy LIVs who just get their "news" from the alphabet sound bytes on their radio news feed. (Or what they hear from the guy next door). A guy I know is a small businessman, he voted for preazy revenge because he thought Romney was an out of touch rich guy.

TheMFM not only sets the narrative, it plays into people's insecurities about themselves. I don't think the tactic would work so well if our nation wasn't at least half populated by people who consider themselves losers.

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2012 10:51 AM (jm/9g)

40
when did we become Zimbabwe?

In 2008

Posted by: RayJ at November 14, 2012 10:52 AM (pI/IV)

41 "I renew my call: Boycott NBC."

Boycott all of it. Starve the beast. Cancel your media subscriptions. Sell your TV.

You'll be healthier, physically and mentally, and be wealthier as well.

Saving fat bucks every month on a typical household budget? Made of win.

The "new normal" isn't going to stay the new normal. We're on a downslope economically. Imagine today but with 200% more economic awfulness -- that's what's coming, soon, and then *that* will be the "new normal".

We pride ourselves on being adaptive. Adapt.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 14, 2012 10:52 AM (ymG7s)

42 >>>I'm wondering, non-rhetorically, actually wondering, what a new network would bring to the table. I wonder how it would do things more effectively than Fox.

All it would do is compete with Fox.

The problem is the main broadcast networks, which pull in substantially larger audiences which are built in due to them being free to watch.

Fox on it's best day pulls in, what, 8 million viewers? CBS Nightly News at it's worst pulls in about 16 million?

Boycott is the right track...it's just a matter of gathering support and wide-spread attention.

Posted by: El Kabong, Honorable Moron from AZ at November 14, 2012 10:53 AM (Kxr/e)

43
Paul Krugman has his arm up Obama' ass. And Obama likes it.

Paul Krugman's patriotic duty to the nation: Screw you, USA.
Two days after the election, Obama’s favorite economist, Paul Krugman, set the tone for the intransigent left in a column titled: “LET'S NOT MAKE A DEAL".
Boiled down, his advice to Obama was this: Don’t give in to any Republican demands, even if doing so would “INFLICT DAMAGE ON A STILL SHAKY ECONOMY" After all, Obama would be better positioned to “weather any blowback from economic troubles.”

Posted by: Fresh at November 14, 2012 10:53 AM (O7ksG)

44 Yeah... I'm not going to start watching ABC, I can barely contain my rage when the ABC radio news comes on during Rush.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 14, 2012 10:53 AM (SDkq3)

45 Also press conference coming up. The MSM must choose: address elephant in room, exploding all over the media world, or risk making themselves look like sycophants by staying with the softball questions.

Posted by: Cricket at November 14, 2012 10:53 AM (DrC22)

46 I'm wondering, non-rhetorically, actually wondering, what a new network
would bring to the table. I wonder how it would do things more
effectively than Fox.




Saturation. Also, there has to be better, more intelligent people to put on prime time than O'Reilly and Hannity. But really it's saturation IMO.

Posted by: Adam at November 14, 2012 10:53 AM (/YJYi)

47 By giving the GOP continued control of the House, the American people also voted for budget cuts.

Posted by: Y-not at November 14, 2012 10:53 AM (5H6zj)

48 I agree with krugman?

Why not just do what the lefties want? The trouble with the UK is all the "conservatives" that fight against the lefties. Just let them have anything they want. What's the big deal? They're going to get it all eventually anyway.

Posted by: Closing Time at November 14, 2012 10:53 AM (1crPI)

49 No compromise? That worked very well for the Democrats from 2009-2010. So yeah, go ahead and do that. A close election like the last one is a mandate for a 'no compromise' stance. It doesn't mean that the electorate isn't set one way or another at all.

Seriously. *rolls eyes*

Posted by: Mikey NTH - What a Relief at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (hLRSq)

50 I renew my call: Boycott NBC.

Bittorrent is your friend.

Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (GQ8sn)

51 I boycott the most of the media everyday. I don't have cable, my home antennae is whacked and the only station I can currently get is a local PBS station. But i can certainly boycott the advertisers and let them know.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (T8WRP)

52 OK - boycott media outlets

I am thinking - no money to the RNC - we should sending our diminishing discretionary dollars to state and local conservative candidates. This boycott should remain in effect until the RNC and the other national GOP fundraising organs seriously address a closed primary system as prep for the 2014 and 2016 primaries. Let us put RINOs and conservatives on an equal playing field.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (HjPtV)

53 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 14, 2012 10:48 AM (g0RWK)

Four more years of Axeltrolls!

God help us. It just keeps getting worse and worse.

Posted by: tsj017 at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (4YUWF)

54 Boycotting NBC, while a good idea that should be endorsed by all Morons (and others, of course), doesn't go far enough, Ace.

We also have to turn our backs to the cowards and sell-outs of the so-called conservative media. From Hannity to Kristol, from the tea-sipping self-proclaimed "intellectuals" of NRO to Poppin' Fresh, all need to be accorded the irrelevance they have repeatedly earned.

To paraphrase Harry Truman (who was at least a reasonably decent person, despite being a full-on lib), "if you can't stand the heat, GTFO of the kitchen."

There is no place for the advocates of gaining electoral success by being"fair" and selling out American principles. If these eunuchs want to gain more notoriety (and money) by becoming Democrats, let 'em go to Daily Kos. We don't need 'em.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (yKUrR)

55 Agreed. Americans are much less divided in their opinion of the media than their politics.

Bigger government benefits large segments of the population. Media is powerful and purely self-serving.

They're also lazy, corrupt, stupid, and incompetent--a very target-rich mix.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (jeAQW)

56 No compromise? Okay, then no brakes. Off the cliff we go!

Posted by: joncelli at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (RD7QR)

57 -
Turns out I've been boycotting NBC for a while.

To the point where I punch anybody who talks like Tom Brokaw.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 14, 2012 10:55 AM (RuUvx)

58 Ok leftards.

No compromise.

I will demand it of my leadership and then I will make plans.

Fuck you Krugman we'll ride the bomb in together like Major Kong.

I hate you assholes NBC.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 10:55 AM (LRFds)

59 Can we NOT watch NBC while munching on Papa John's Pizza and Chick Fil A sammiches?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 14, 2012 10:55 AM (71LDo)

60 They won it 50 years ago.

The NEA, UFT, AFT and Billy Ayers.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 10:56 AM (vCK/R)

61 Don't forget. Boycotting *just* NBC won't work. You also have to boycott
it's subsidiaries. The full list appears at the wiki entry:

http://tinyurl.com/7b2quk



Look, someone is already researching content for


www DOT boycott-NBC DOT com

Posted by: fluffy at November 14, 2012 10:56 AM (z9HTb)

62 Saturation. Also, there has to be better, more intelligent people to put on prime time than O'Reilly and Hannity.

---

They have multiple outlets with the same Liberal POV that bolster the talking points by echoing each other. One news outlet (Fox) cannot effectively counter that.

I know whenever I want to make a real point with liberals I never cite a Fox article. I always dig until I find coverage at CNBC, WSJ, Bloomberg or some local paper. The sheeples on the left are so programmed to stick their fingers in their ears and close their eyes if it's on Fox, that citing them never works.

Posted by: Y-not at November 14, 2012 10:56 AM (5H6zj)

63
I agree with Ace, it's what has me the most depressed, it will never matter what we say or do, if our message is changed on the airways.

We do need to boycott, and further than that, we need to only do business with conservative people, companies, etc...

A long time ago when I worked it Woodlawn Md, I used to go to the Mall for lunch, same time every day.
There was always a group there, all black, wearing bowties and suits. I was curious so I started to listen to them, they were involved in some group and discussed how they were going to only do business with black companies, they had put together a directory that they handed out to each other of only black companies. I worked there for a year and that group got larger and larger. This is what we need to do as conservatives IMO.
We have to play by their rules if we are going to have a chance to win this country back

Posted by: spypeach at November 14, 2012 10:56 AM (pwTow)

64
Scott Brown saying John Kerry would make an "excellent choice" for SecDec is very perplexing? Sucking up after losing the election is not a way to endear yourself to conservatives. Brown can suck it!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 14, 2012 10:56 AM (lDWQr)

65

the cover of Newsweek has Obama wearing what looks like Napolean's coat

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 10:56 AM (/37qI)

66 56No compromise? Okay, then no brakes. Off the cliff we go!
Posted by: joncelli at November 14, 2012 10:54 AM (RD7QR) --------- WINNER!

Posted by: giftogab at November 14, 2012 10:56 AM (QW2hm)

67 I surrender! Take everything just let me keep my Speakership!

Posted by: John Boehner at November 14, 2012 10:56 AM (J7sV0)

68 Ace,

I am not asking you to pet me like your favorite moron I know I am not.

Could you please ruminate over "what if secession happened in 2001?"

These people are not trying to be the ones in charge of a Constitutional Republic where the losing side is still protected Ace.

They are going to fuck us.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 10:57 AM (LRFds)

69 Hey Ace? You depressed? I notice you aren't doing much Twittering.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 14, 2012 10:57 AM (feFL6)

70 LiB

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 14, 2012 10:57 AM (evdj2)

71 And our politicians and their hacks need to STOP TALKING TO THE ENEMY. Give all exclusive scoops to media that is at least somewhat balanced, Fox or local media.

Posted by: Y-not at November 14, 2012 10:57 AM (5H6zj)

72 48 Closing Time,

If I knew they'd let me head for the exits when the fruits of their retardation strike I'm game.

That is not what they're selling.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (LRFds)

73 Already ahead of you there.

Comcast: Gone, Jan 2011
Hulu Plus (NBC): Gone, June 2011

I try to watch some of the bigger NBC shows over-the-air (antenna) once a month just to take note of the sponsors I'll not buy from.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (JJ+PT)

74 If you are talking piracy of hollywood products, be advised that that crime is one area of the law that Holder is enforcing aggressively. Illegal downloads, etc.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (r1ty1)

75 If we push back against the fiscal cliff O won't budge. It will be Newt vs Clinton all over again and we will get blamed no matter what. They know they won that last time and they will play it again

Posted by: L, just L at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (0PiQ4)

76 Thank you Ace! Finally someone gets it. Pointing out that the media is biased is not enough. Why? Because they Do. Not. Care. We have to consider them the enemy and attack them too. It's war. We can't keep shooting ourselves in the foot and hoping the media will be nice about it.

Posted by: FPW at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (BDNF5)

77 -
note for ace - As we approach this fiscal cliff, the 'Do You Really Want to Jump? Really?" scene in "Lethal Weapon" comes to mind - with Conservatives playing the role of Mel Gibson.

Let's handcuff ourselves to the Left and see if there's a big airbag on the ground.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (RuUvx)

78
Personally I am fine with the no compromise solution, as long as the spineless repubs grow a spine and say FY NQ. How they never ever get the message that they will be blamed by the media, for any bad news, never gets through to them is simply amazing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (PHb2k)

79 Let the dems have their victory. Get out of their way in enacting Obama's economic agenda so as to avoid being tainted by the subsequent epic fail.

In a Democracy, the people get the government they deserve. It's time they got it. Good and hard.

Posted by: Fred at November 14, 2012 10:59 AM (3ky+E)

80 49 No compromise? That worked very well for the Democrats from 2009-2010. So yeah, go ahead and do that. A close election like the last one is a mandate for a 'no compromise' stance. It doesn't mean that the electorate isn't set one way or another at all.

Seriously. *rolls eyes*


It did work. So they lost some house seats in 2010. So what? They still got what they wanted. Obamacare is here to stay. What did they not get?

Posted by: Closing Time at November 14, 2012 10:59 AM (1crPI)

81 7 I believe the term we are looking for is, "Let. It. Burn."

Buy the stations in swing states and watch the nation change.

Agree w/ both statements. Let the Dems have everything they want. Tough love is the only thing remaining. Only then can we have a true conservative movement in this country. In the meantime, instead of the billionaires and multi-millionaires moving their assets out of the market/country, let's encourage them to start buying up every media outlet there is. What is that great marine saying? When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

Posted by: Old Coach at November 14, 2012 10:59 AM (LYbxI)

82 I was thinking this and want to write about it. My problem is this: We
already have Fox, and we already have, sort of, the WSJ.



I'm wondering, non-rhetorically, actually wondering, what a new
network would bring to the table. I wonder how it would do things more
effectively than Fox.
Posted by: ace at November 14, 2012 10:49 AM (LCRYB)


Who says we need to "create" new ones, we can simply buy established local stations, fire their local news team/journalists and install our own.

We can buy newspapers that are already established local state papers.

As far as on a national level, I don't know what an NBC is "worth" but I'm sure a pool of wealthy conservatives could organize some sort of leveraged buy out. Hell, they might even MAKE money.

The point is, we throw over a billion dollars on TV ads now every cycle. Why not just buy the damn TV stations?

Posted by: McAdams at November 14, 2012 10:59 AM (VTjec)

83 The day you all finally give up NBC sports is the day I believe people will actually boycott NBC.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 14, 2012 10:59 AM (CWsUm)

84 Andrew X - I like that.

“Socialist Establishment” (SE).. it's got a good ring to it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 14, 2012 10:59 AM (f9c2L)

85 Boycotts do not work.


"There is nothing so powerful as an idea whose time has come"


Is it time? I'm willing put my shoulder to the wheel to find out.

Posted by: fluffy at November 14, 2012 10:59 AM (z9HTb)

86 The empiercened coffee barista at Starbucks won, and probably had sex with Rachel Maddow.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 14, 2012 10:45 AM (Ec6wH)


Such an angry young man...

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 14, 2012 10:59 AM (cM7Ib)

87 All I ask of Boner is to make do deals until TFG brings a written piece of legislation to the table.

If TFG has to choose between working and getting some deal for his constituent groups or not work and playing golf, he'll choose golf every time.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 14, 2012 11:00 AM (J4gw3)

88 Keep calling people like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Larry Fink, George Soros, et al "socialists".

________________________________________

You forgot Ferdinand Porsche.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 14, 2012 11:00 AM (mg08E)

89

the WSJ is pro business, big business

they dont even really care about entrepaneurship


FOX News is pro tv ratings

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 11:00 AM (/37qI)

90 What time is President Kum-Bay-Uh's press conference?

Posted by: RWC at November 14, 2012 11:00 AM (fWAjv)

91 We pay for Verizon FiOS Internet... that better not be a subsidiary...

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 14, 2012 11:00 AM (xAtAj)

92 Fox has the capital to take the fight to the broadcast networks. I still don't know why they haven't pushed a national broadcast news program on all the Fox affiliates.
Get a conservative to buy out Newsweek. Where do they all sit? In waiting rooms. For 5 years. That's 5 years of people stuck reading the same articles over and over. Why not show the conservative side? It's not like the doctor is going to cancel the subscription... they don't read it anyway.

Posted by: Dax at November 14, 2012 11:01 AM (gUYGX)

93 The base economic argument is one of Free Markets vx. Socialism.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2012 11:02 AM (HjPtV)

94
The liberals' dictionary:
Bipartisanship: When I want you to agree with me.
Divisiveness: When you want me to agree with you.

Posted by: Dave H at November 14, 2012 11:02 AM (k85z0)

95 We already know he does not intend to "compromise". The Dem's "compromise" has always been out way or we will shut it down and get the SOB's in the MFM to blame you.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 11:02 AM (YdQQY)

96 83 The day you all finally give up NBC sports is the day I believe people will actually boycott NBC.
----
One or two days of successful programming each week would not carry an otherwise unsuccessful network.

Posted by: Y-not at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (5H6zj)

97 We might as well put NBC out of business first with boycotts before getting some conservative buyer.. it will be much cheaper.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (f9c2L)

98 Make money nationally be patriotic locally or ideologically.

It worked for the moonbats.

The GOP will either lurch right and work for us or we'll hire new money hordes.

Let it burn.

Fuck pelosi

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (LRFds)

99 >>>This does no good. They get paid by advertisers by the amount of traffic those sites get.

Millions of people down load these shows and store them in personal lockers and then post the links on the internet. They personally may earn some money but there is no ad money going to Hollywood. As soon as a show is finished airing on the east coast, it's up on the internet.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (YEG/L)

100 O/T

Israel just killed top Hamas commander, as well as 20 under ground rocket sites. At Drudge. Here. We. Go.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (Dnbau)

101 I think a boycott, possibly with simultaneous pressure from lawsuits (think of those edited tapes...), followed by a takeover/buyout is the way to go. Taking over the existing networks is a two-for: we get another reasonably honest network and the libs lose one.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (aJahi)

102 72 48 Closing Time,

If I knew they'd let me head for the exits when the fruits of their retardation strike I'm game.

That is not what they're selling.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (LRFds)


There is nothing that can be done. It's the electorate that is retarded. They have been for a long time, it's just that now they are actually voting in large numbers.

I would guess the populace was just as retarded in 1800. But a very small portion voted so....

As long as this huge portion of the populace votes we are screwed.

Posted by: Closing Time at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (1crPI)

103 Ace, maybe you could promote the numerous alternative information and entertainment streams here? We should avoid the Statist systems that deliver entertainment, but we also need to support the alternatives.

Getting rid of cable, for instance, and replacing it with an online service. Cable sucks anyway.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (J4gw3)

104 In a perverse way it may be good that obama does not compromise or ever reach across the divide. It means perpetual gridlock, which of course does suck, but given the alternative, may be the best we can expect or hope for

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2012 11:04 AM (jE38p)

105

grassroots movements

we did it in 2009-2010, we can do it again even better this time

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 11:04 AM (/37qI)

106 Israel just killed top Hamas commander, as well as 20 under ground rocket sites. At Drudge. Here. We. Go.
Posted by: Thunderb at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (Dnbau)

"Opened the gates of hell" indeed.

Posted by: RWC at November 14, 2012 11:04 AM (fWAjv)

107 This is why the let it burn movement should actually be undertaken. Let them do it. Let them crash the shit on purpose. Fuck it, let America see what they did. Let them see democrats deliberately raise taxes on everyone, and then sit in the house and make them pass a revenue neutral budget before its even debated. Make them raise taxes to cover their plans.

The market will tank, peoples paychecks will be gouged. Burn this cult of personality to the fucking ground.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 14, 2012 11:04 AM (YF2x7)

108 Test

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2012 11:04 AM (03IDC)

109 Why stop with NBC. If you know the owner of a business is a lefty, and you have choices....time for economic boycott. I just gave up my Milwaukee Bucks season tickets. Hey Herb, you voted for Obamacare.

Posted by: Spook at November 14, 2012 11:04 AM (pEkqu)

110 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 14, 2012 10:48 AM (g0RWK)

Hey, calling Conservatives racist teabaggers works, and no one really believes that shit except PuffBlow MSNBC free abortifacient addicts and Obama dick suckers.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 14, 2012 11:05 AM (L8r/r)

111 Shalom, our American friends.

We are breaking silence to let you know that we have created a programming packet which will upload itself to Nate Silver's computer, smartphone, and web browser, which will set the value of 1 to 1.000000001.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Israeli Stuxnet Coding Team Six - at November 14, 2012 11:05 AM (RuUvx)

112 >>>106 Israel just killed top Hamas commander, as well as 20 under ground rocket sites. At Drudge. Here. We. Go.
Posted by: Thunderb at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (Dnbau)
"Opened the gates of hell" indeed.

God be with them...because Obama sure as f*ck won't be.

Posted by: El Kabong, Honorable Moron from AZ at November 14, 2012 11:05 AM (F/CvB)

113 "Get a conservative to buy out Newsweek. Where do they all sit? In waiting rooms."

I've worked in the private sector. They expect results.

Posted by: Dr. Raymond Stantz at November 14, 2012 11:05 AM (HjPtV)

114 Know what's funny? If you read comments at liberal websites like Kos (I rarely do, and only for laughs), they say the SAME EXACT THING about their side.

"The spineless DINOs will cave to the Rethuglicans again like they always do. They need to hold their ground and fight fight fight! No compromise!!!"

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 14, 2012 11:05 AM (SY2Kh)

115 By the way any strategy being discussed should start out with a realization that the electorate is D+6 and we control jack shit.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 14, 2012 11:05 AM (YF2x7)

116 There is nothing that can be done. It's the electorate that is retarded. They have been for a long time, it's just that now they are actually voting in large numbers. ___
There was a huge bloc that effectively voted "present", the ones who didn't vote preazy this time but couldn't be troubled to vote for his opponent. It's like they knew preazy was so awful enough Republicans would show up to vote him out or something.

Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2012 11:05 AM (jm/9g)

117 By the way on USA, the best NCIS episode is on: The Medal Of Honor one- Corporal Yost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (jE38p)

118 Compromise? They don't need to. Let's agree to their demands but more so. Raise taxes on those earning more than $250,000? Sure thing but we learned our lesson from the recent election and we want to make the tax code even more progressive. Let's add another tax bracket at a million dollars with a tax rate of 99%. Another bracket at ten million dollars with a rate of 110%. Remove the tax deduction for state income taxes, treat muni bonds and trust fund payments are ordinary income and you got a deal. Oh, yeah, repeal the Eisenhower tax cuts for movies.

If they want to continue to argue we can also demand a $30 an hour minimum wage. I want to see Obama explain why that is a bad idea. Or sign it, either way.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (dGtaD)

119 Pray for Israel... We have a traitor in the White House..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (9+ccr)

120
Boycotts do not work.


They don't work because people give out before the sponsors do.It takes a willingness to do without for an extended period of time

Posted by: kj at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (qEts0)

121 The "cleansing fire" will deal with the media when it all burns down. You can't run a network off a Coleman generator.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (/f80E)

122 63
Spypeach. Yes.

Also stop paying attention or rewarding weekly standard and all the Rockafeller Repubs like all of fox news. I haven't watched fox news since election night mostly bc it brings back the hideous trauma of election night but I'm seriously thinking of canceling satellite. Look at how quickly our supposed talking heads started pushing the more Mexicans memes. Just like white elite liberals, these people are cocooned by their wealth, O's policies won't really effect them. It's the middle class that will suffer terribly.

Posted by: L, just L at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (0PiQ4)

123 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (8y9MW)

124 Republicans will never win anything if all we fight consistently is higher taxes for the rich. Make the Dems oppose something. The richest plutocrats are D.

Posted by: Beagle at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (sOtz/)

125 >>>74 If you are talking piracy of hollywood products, be advised that that crime is one area of the law that Holder is enforcing aggressively. Illegal downloads, etc.

They go after the torrents.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (YEG/L)

126 I haven't bought anything from Mens Wearhouse since they sided with OWS. A fucking suit seller sides with commie pigs! You gotta be kidding me.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 14, 2012 11:06 AM (+4mBJ)

127 "I can't. I'm poor and Pixy offers his services for free.
"

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2012 10:47 AM (LCRYB)

There are dozens of readers around here who have the skills to create a simple site. It isn't complicated, and the costs of hosting are easily manageable (for instance: sell t-shirts!).

I'll help.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 14, 2012 11:07 AM (GsoHv)

128 to my point earlier, how hard would it be to create a sight that conservative business people, trades, etc.. could join. Kind of like linkedin, it would be a great way for like minded people to only do business with each other.

Posted by: spypeach at November 14, 2012 11:07 AM (pwTow)

129 THIS

Until we can nullify the Media spin, all other talk or messaging or inclusion or refocus is a waste of time.

I'm not the only one who has recognized this. A major tragedy of the demise of Andrew Breitbart is the sense that with his energy and leadership, perhaps answers could've been found to counter the Media.

They are conservatives true opponent. 2nd only to Academe and the unions.

Democrats/progressives are supported by three legs:
1st The Mass Media. This includes entertainment, news, books, newsprint and magazines.

2nd Academe. The mis education of the people should not be under estimated in apportioning blame for the recent debacle. Our children are not being taught to reason, not being taught world or American history and are not being taught basic economics. In other words; basic citizenship.

3rd Unions. A money laundering scheme that is a wonder to behold. Billions are stolen from citizens under the guise of pensions, benefits and salaries to members of government unions which is then immediately funneled back to the very lawmakers that determine what those pensions, benefits and salaries will be. That they do not have the public's interest at heart should go with out saying.

If you spend any money on entertainment, news outlets or belong to a union, you are undermining yourself, your children and your country.
Don't rationalize it any further. None of those that you are giving money to care one whit about the country, the constitution, liberty or freedom. They only care about achieving their agenda which is more power for themselves and revenge on those who try to thwart their theft.

Stop giving money to those who are your enemy. If you don't then stop complaining about what happens because you're helping them do what they do.

Posted by: AshKente at November 14, 2012 11:07 AM (SP4jC)

130 Ah, yes. That's my Ace. Up at the crack of 10:40. Good job. /sarc

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at November 14, 2012 11:07 AM (izA2D)

131 It takes a willingness to do without for an extended period of time

You mean like 23M people are doing right now?

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:07 AM (/f80E)

132 And when will the GOP ever learn how to combat the media...?





*crickets chirping*

Posted by: skilaki at November 14, 2012 11:07 AM (CFOVo)

133 I have decided we need to give in and let "Dear Leader" do all of the wonderful deeds he has promised. I say we go in with the following requirements: first, there has to be a passed budget that has been honestly scored by the CBO and maybe some other organizations, and second, and very important, no additional debt at the end of the fiscal year.

Simple, and proves to every brain dead idiot that voted for the SCOAMT that socialism does not work.

Oh yeah, no additional QE gadizillion.

What do you think. Kind of let it burn, and placing the democratic party as the owner.

Posted by: Taiwan_Joe at November 14, 2012 11:08 AM (e4Ho8)

134 I was thinking this and want to write about it. My problem is this: We
already have Fox, and we already have, sort of, the WSJ.



Ace Fox is not, and never has been. conservative. They have one conservative "reporter" and he is semi-retired. The WSJ has never been conservative except partially in their opinion pages.


And they were just bought out by Fox's owner last year.


The only semi-conservative news outlet now is the Washington Examiner and that is not a national paper.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 11:08 AM (YdQQY)

135 I've worked in the private sector. They expect results.


Very true.

Posted by: Carlos Slim at November 14, 2012 11:08 AM (z9HTb)

136 This is why the let it burn movement should actually be undertaken. Let
them do it. Let them crash the shit on purpose. Fuck it, let America see
what they did.


Preach it, comrade!

Posted by: Richard Cloward and Frances Piven at November 14, 2012 11:08 AM (SY2Kh)

137 >>>It takes a willingness to do without for an extended period of time.

Sorry, kids. You're going to have to miss this season of 'Captain Firefly: P.I.' aka 'Castle'.

Posted by: El Kabong, Honorable Moron from AZ at November 14, 2012 11:08 AM (F/CvB)

138 Quick question:

If we shaved ace, had his hair done, changed his glasses, and gave him a makeover -- could he pass for Rachel Maddow?

Call it: Operation Doppleganger.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 14, 2012 11:08 AM (RuUvx)

139 I am boycotting NBC. WILL.NOT. WATCH. ANYTHING. Trying to get my husband to boycott sports as well.

Posted by: Janetoo at November 14, 2012 11:09 AM (FUW1H)

140 One. One is the beginning.

Are you One Herbert?

Posted by: I am not Herbert at November 14, 2012 11:09 AM (e6VVB)

141 Krugman and his fellow travelers always make the same assumptions;

Tax hikes will always bring in more revenue

Spending will never go over budget

People will work just as hard for less

The government, run by wonks, will spend the money wisely and honestly

Krugman and his fellow travelers will not scramble for loopholes

Economists like Krugman think in strategy and white papers. The rest of us think in day to day logistics. Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics

Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 11:09 AM (wwsoB)

142 They can talk about "we won, no compromise" but that's just a bunch of bluster. They've only really won if we roll over and give it to them.

Re-election or not, I think its pretty damn clear the the GOP majority was put in the House to check Obama, and so far as I can tell its still there. So I don't see a reason for compromise here.

Obama can make all the ridiculous demands he likes. He's not credible on fiscal policy until/unless he. . .at the very least. . .can come up with a budget that gets a single vote. That goes double for the Dem majority Senate, which hasn't passed a budget in three years.

Incidentally, I'm not boycotting NBC. . .I turned that off ten years ago.


Posted by: looking closely at November 14, 2012 11:09 AM (PwGfd)

143 >>>138 Quick question:
If we shaved ace, had his hair done, changed his glasses, and gave him a makeover -- could he pass for Rachel Maddow?
Call it: Operation Doppleganger.

If you shaved Maddow too...spot on.

Posted by: El Kabong, Honorable Moron from AZ at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (F/CvB)

144 A couple of things.

The Reagan Wing of the Party needs to step in and push aside the accomodationist wing. If the Establishment wants to cave so the Press likes it, then we can't depend on them to stand up for any kind of decent governance.

Yes, we'll need media, but good people beget good policy.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (CUoon)

145 the media won. They won big

___________________

We can have all the post election analysis in the world, but the media wouldn't even tell their audience that a sitting Vice President lied about how he voted for two wars.

ABC had one of the emails from Ambassador Stevens asking State for a DC-3 and more security and wrote about it at their website on--

Oct. 5th.

That means ABC had it even before Oct. 5th because I am sure they took some time to vet it.

But--the Oversight Committee did not have the document drop till Oct. 10th.

It's very possible that the whistle blowers went to ABC first.

Now look at the warp speed they are traveling at to discredit Petraeus and other military--compare that to how slow they were and uninterested in the attack on Benghazi.

Their claims that they didn't want to unduly influence an election are false and of course run only one way--remember TANG--"fake but accurate" and the late breaking DUI story about an event that happened to a candidate 20 years ago and who had already been elected.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (r2PLg)

146 Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 11:09 AM (wwsoB)

Channeling your inner Patton?

Posted by: Country Singer at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (L8r/r)

147 Getting rid of cable, for instance, and replacing it with an online service. Cable sucks anyway.


Posted by: runninrebel at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM


And who owns the online services?

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (yKUrR)

148 100 O/T

Israel just killed top Hamas commander, as well as 20 under ground rocket sites. At Drudge. Here. We. Go.
Posted by: Thunderb at November 14, 2012 11:03 AM (Dnbau)


Let THAT burn, for sure. Go Yids with steel lids.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (vCK/R)

149 Well if anyone has an idea better than Let it Burn, let's hear it.



'cause while you are planning your long-term goals, the left has already reached its endgame.



Better think fast.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (X1PJ8)

150 Fuck Compromise

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pwtev/

Posted by: Zakn at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (zyaZ1)

151 102 Closing Time,

probably so we have a little power right now....

great use it or lose it GOP because if you cave wholesale you will come with me when I try to leave or you will be in charge of nothing while I go to ground.

Fuck you Boehner let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (LRFds)

152 Migrate to red and purple States.

If shit gets real you'll do that anyway. On foot.

Do it now while you still have a car.

Move to where you are more free and more powerful. Sell as much as you can and live as Galty as possible.

Starve the Federal Empire of your money as much as possible.

Solidify the redness of the red States.

Reduce the number of useless GOP votes in places like CA and NY, and raise the number of useful GOP votes in places like Virginia and Florida.



Posted by: eman at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (sRus3)

153 Any organization that is not explicitly and self-consciously conservative will drift left into liberalism over time. Fox News is not exempt from this iron law. So merely buying media outlets only forestalls the problem.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (ggDD6)

154 Rockets from Sinai pounded Israeli border town, Israel kills top Hamas commander, and takes out 20 rocket sites in Gaza.

Looks like an Israeli/Egyptian war is on the menu, while we worry where our ME generals are spending tax dollars and putting their dicks

Posted by: Thunderb at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (Dnbau)

155 140 One. One is the beginning.

Are you One Herbert?
Posted by: I am not Herbert at November 14, 2012 11:09 AM (e6VVB)



"Steppin' in to Eden,
yay brother!..."


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (vCK/R)

156 Off topic - except that it is related to starving "liberal" businesses and supporting more "conservative" ones - consider giving to other "military help" charities other than the Wounded Warrior Project. The WWP sure seems to have become popular recently. That is generally a good thing because it raises awareness regardingthe difficulties facingour servicepersons. However, I just saw a report stating that they will not do promotions with organizationspromoting firearm ownership and use http://bit.ly/Zsd7d8 (though the article seems to indicatethat the WWP has taken money from gun manufacturers in the past). That caused me to look them up on the charity navigator website http://bit.ly/oDPJlB. They spend way to much of their money on fundraising and not enough helping our warriors (read the negative reviews). My suggestion: support the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, Fisher House, Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund or other highly rated military support organizations.

Posted by: Brian at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (Hd5n8)

157

You mean like 23M people are doing right now?


Sorry,i know it will offend many here but i do not believe people have suffered enough in this country to cause a real change in attitude and this last election proves it


Posted by: kj at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (qEts0)

158 I agree with McAdams. Someone on our side needs to buy NBC.

Posted by: Mike at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (nWKEi)

159 Know what's funny? If you read comments at liberal websites like Kos (I rarely do, and only for laughs), they say the SAME EXACT THING about their side.

Well yes, it's true. But you have to remember that history starts whenever a Progger opens his eyes in the morning.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (evdj2)

160 If we shaved ace, had his hair done, changed his glasses, and gave him a makeover -- could he pass for Rachel Maddow?


That's cold. Fucking arctic.

Posted by: fluffy at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (z9HTb)

161 With EO's, Obama doesn't need fiscal credibility...just a pen.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (/f80E)

162 105 soothsayer,

Yeah and what?

We ain't flipping the blue coasts and I am tired of the prisoner's dilemma.

I need more rest and to think on it.

I think I want the US dissolved.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (LRFds)

163 I think Paul Krugman should be appointed to the office of Secretary of Business. Could he be any worse than Chu?

Posted by: Fritz at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (/ZZCn)

164 Posted by: ace at November 14, 2012 10:49 AM (LCRYB)

Imagine if the entire focus of the Conservative establishment was to buy local TV stations in the big markets of FL, OH, and VA?

We are talking about 400,000 votes. That is doable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (GsoHv)

165 >>If they want to continue to argue we can also demand a $30 an hour
minimum wage. I want to see Obama explain why that is a bad idea. Or
sign it, either way.

He's not capable of explaining why its a bad idea, and he certainly wouldn't be willing to. I think he'd actually sign it.


Posted by: looking closely at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (PwGfd)

166
I'm wondering, non-rhetorically, actually wondering, what a new network would bring to the table. I wonder how it would do things more effectively than Fox.


Posted by: ace at November 14, 2012 10:49 AM (LCRYB)

If you're going to do it, you'd need to do it exactly like THEY did. So you actually need 2 - TWO - more networks minimum, both to the right of Fox, one to the FAR right. (Supported by a recently purchased number of broke-ass newspapers/newsmags.) Then you redefine the middle network as the 'moderate' and everyone to the left of FOX as commies deserving prosecution. And you harp on this to varying degrees depending on which network is making noise. Now you support your own stories, with your own random polls, fueled by questions from your own editorial boards using established credentials to ask THEM the tough questions. Long con #154 - 'strike a chord.' And with your monthly uniques, if you're broke, you're doing this wrong.


Posted by: JQ Public at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (NBj0d)

167 There was a huge bloc that effectively voted "present", the ones who didn't vote preazy this time but couldn't be troubled to vote for his opponent. It's like they knew preazy was so awful enough Republicans would show up to vote him out or something.
Posted by: kallisto at November 14, 2012 11:05 AM (jm/9g)

Maybe. But it doesn't really matter. The tipping point was going to happen eventually. It just happened a few years earlier than most expected.

Here's our problem: likely voters barely prefer Republicans. Unlikely voters vastly prefer Dems. Unlikely voters will vote more in every subsequent election, especially with adoption of newer tech, and their vote counts just as much as yours.

There is nothing, nothing that can be done. So let's drop politics. We're like those old dudes on the islands of Japan that still thought the war was raging a decade later. The war is over.

Posted by: Closing Time at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (1crPI)

168 161 Purple Avenger you got it....

Yup Captain EO will get his way anyway so do not cave or I will help kill the GOP.

End of story.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (LRFds)

169 'Who run Media-Town?!'

Posted by: Stephanapolus, riding Olbermann at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (F/CvB)

170 "Krugman, Lefties Advise "No Compromise" Policy For Obama"


And we're listening to Krugman, why again?

Posted by: looking closely at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (PwGfd)

171 Looks like Krugman et all are giving the House Republicans an excuse to negotiate and then not do anything...

Or, better yet, give the JEF exactly what he wants at the 11th hour, fiscally, let him crow about it, and then let him try and deflect the blame when the economy flatlines.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2012 11:13 AM (e0xKF)

172 And when will the GOP ever learn how to combat the media...?

________________________

Well it's the Information Age and Democrats and Hollywood got busy "owning it" while Conservative guys went out and fought the wars, and created industry instead of fluffery.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 11:13 AM (r2PLg)

173 Sorry,i know it will offend many here but i do not believe people have
suffered enough in this country to cause a real change in attitude and
this last election proves it


This is true. The last generation to know true deprivation is dying off very quickly now.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:13 AM (/f80E)

174 OT but important: Local talk radio guy says he has had calls from parents with sons who are in Air Force. They have been told to expect a 70% reduction in fighter pilots. Jed Babbin (former undersecretary of defense under Bush 41) says that is what he has heard as well. And they will be let go without pensions.

Anyone else heard this? Seems like a serious issue to me, as it will leave us way cut back in air defense.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 14, 2012 11:14 AM (GoIUi)

175 Posted by: Brian at November 14, 2012 11:11 AM (Hd5n

Soldiers' Angels is also a good one.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 14, 2012 11:14 AM (L8r/r)

176 FWIW Glenn Beck is doing the alternate network thing with The Blaze. Andrew Wilkow makes BOR and Hannity look like pikers.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at November 14, 2012 11:14 AM (KvKOu)

177 Look, we have some really creative types just on this blog. Across the dextrosphere, we have a ton of really talented folks.

How hard would it be (serious question, since I don't know) to set up a small production company to produce a couple of shows on Hulu Plus? I'm thinking 3 shows (and production values could increase as revenue increases- assuming revenue increases).

Show 1- A news show of some sort. Don't "just" report the news, though. Spin it the same way the MFM does, except with Conservative Spin.

Show 2- A comedy. Think along the lines of the Office, or one of the other 30 minute comedies currently on TV, but highlighting conservative values.

This one I even sort of have a specific pitch- our Heroes are a young
couple with small children. They both work, him in some professional
job (Loan officer at a bank, maybe. a software developer. Whatever),
her at a typically liberal (but also professional) job (teacher, lawyer,
whatever). It follows their lives. Think the Cosby Show, except that it's more specifically middle class, with middle class values.

Show 3- A drama. Maybe a "procedural drama" a la CSI/Castle/Bones or an action drama (like The Unit was).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 11:14 AM (8y9MW)

178 They have just proved that they can win without independents. No need to moderate or compromise for them

Posted by: L, just L at November 14, 2012 11:14 AM (0PiQ4)

179
The FCC would never allow conservative investors to start snatching up media outlets

Posted by: kj at November 14, 2012 11:15 AM (qEts0)

180 The goal here isn't to replace NBC with a conservative channel, it is to destroy the mediums of broadcast journalism, newspapers, and studio motion pictures.

The problem with these mediums is that they spoon feed information and condition the viewer to Statism. We need to support parallel mediums that require people seek out information.

When people seek out information they are in control. When they are in control they are conditioned to liberty.

We have to smash the relics of the Progressive State and support the systems that will replace it.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 14, 2012 11:15 AM (J4gw3)

181 Also, I thought Garofolo was a dyke.

Posted by: L, just L at November 14, 2012 11:15 AM (0PiQ4)

182 164 Posted by: ace at November 14, 2012 10:49 AM (LCRYB)

Imagine if the entire focus of the Conservative establishment was to buy local TV stations in the big markets of FL, OH, and VA?

We are talking about 400,000 votes. That is doable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 14, 2012 11:12 AM (GsoHv)

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Well I could see Hollywood boycotting those channels, and another problem I could see a battle from Conservatives over what would be "allowable" on those channels.

Posted by: tasker at November 14, 2012 11:15 AM (r2PLg)

183 Liberals have a sex fueled pop culture and the power of celebrities to promote an agenda of mooching off rich people.

Conservatives have grim truth and a principled call for hard work to get this country out of debt.

The problem is cultural. The voters made a choice based on their selfishness.

We also had an extraordinarily poor candidate in Mitt Romney, and hopefully we come to understand why he was a poor candidate despite being such a gifted debater and politician. It's hard to promote a an agenda based on truth and principles without a leader who is honest and principled (and therefore pretty consistent to those principles).

Posted by: Dustin at November 14, 2012 11:15 AM (D9999)

184 True. "Boycotting" NBC sounds good, but we need information to do that. Begin printing a list of all advertisers on NBC programs and place them on a sidebar. Folks can choose to buy - or not - from these folks going forward.

People hear boycott, and think that means don't watch. Hell, they already don't watch. A list of advertisers is actionable. Peaceful... and actionable.

Posted by: sgr at November 14, 2012 11:16 AM (xa5GW)

185 OT but important: Local talk radio guy says he has had calls from parents with sons who are in Air Force. They have been told to expect a 70% reduction in fighter pilots. Jed Babbin (former undersecretary of defense under Bush 41) says that is what he has heard as well. And they will be let go without pensions.

Anyone else heard this? Seems like a serious issue to me, as it will leave us way cut back in air defense.
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 14, 2012 11:14 AM (GoIUi)


that sounds draconian but the future is drones, unmanned aircraft, not fighter pilots.

And you do not need an officer to fly a drone.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 14, 2012 11:16 AM (Dnbau)

186 What about investing in established conservative media outlets like the Washington Examiner, The NY Sun (online), and the Washington Times?

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2012 11:17 AM (HjPtV)

187 77 -
note for ace - As we approach this fiscal cliff, the 'Do You Really Want to Jump? Really?" scene in "Lethal Weapon" comes to mind - with Conservatives playing the role of Mel Gibson.

Let's handcuff ourselves to the Left and see if there's a big airbag on the ground.
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 14, 2012 10:58 AM (RuUvx)

I totally agree. And the American people literally voted for this too.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 14, 2012 11:17 AM (YF2x7)

188 Sounds like the Middle East is about to blow up in spades...Get ready for Obama to turn his back on them again...Gaza is right now, Iran's proxy war...Dangerous timing by Bibi but as soon as Iran really gets involved it will be "Boom, Boom Out Goes The Lights" at their nuke facilities.

Posted by: Tony253 at November 14, 2012 11:17 AM (PryWG)

189 Twitter and Facebook are sort of open to anyone who wants to promote free market beliefs and counter leftists propaganda. For example #benghazi issues are being kept alive on twitter.

The problem is both twitter and Facebook are controlled by the left so in the case of twitter, even though #benghazi was getting several tweet/sec it did not show as trending because twitter controls what #s show as trending. Also, twitter was suspending people's accounts who were tweeting #benghazi
too often.

Another possibility is to go to the various University Facebook pages and start posting on them. You can use the Facebook business pages to establish an acct if you don't want to use your personal Facebook page.

Posted by: Mary at November 14, 2012 11:18 AM (6lGrV)

190 I posted this on another thread in response to another commenter but since Ace is talking boycott it's relevant here (slightly re-worked)...

I don't think we
have much chance at all without taking away the built-in advantage that
comes from controlling every aspect of the popular culture. The only way
I see to do that is by repealing digital copyright. It's the funding
mechanism that keeps the whole rotten edifice in place.

Currently,
center-right folk talk only amongst themselves. We live in a ghetto of
blogs, talk radio, and FOX news and have, maybe, a handful of B-list
celebrities on our side. The other side has... everything else. Every
movie, every song, every TV show, every book, every celebrity, every
gossip mag, every radio, every concert, every everything.

We
can't compete against that. We don't have the resources to build a
parallel culture and if we tried it, it would like roughly like what
talk radio is compared to NPR. In other words, it would simply be our
very own cocoon that is never visited by anyone who doesn't already
agree with us.

So if we can't build an equal and opposite
cultural edifice our remaining choice is reduce the influence and reach
of the existing one.

Again we have two choices:

1.
Boycott - this could work except that, as far as I know, it has never
worked anywhere ever. More to the point, it effectively would mean that
we withdraw from any participation whatsoever in the culture and thus
further marginalize ourselves. It's self-defeating and it won't work -
IMO.

2. Remove the funding mechanism. The funding mechanism is
digital copyright. Digital copyright ensures the stability, reach, and
influence of all the media and entertainment entities. These entities
are the megaphone by which the Left transmits its own preferences to the
population at large and also allows it to deny us the opportunity to
speak directly and unfiltered to that same audience. Until we crack the
cultural edifice we speak only to ourselves and allow liberals to
describe us to everyone else.

I suspect that repealing digital
copyright is an easily achieved legislative goal. Republicans were among
the main architects of the laws as currently written. They received
little in return other than electoral defeat. Democrats are vulnerable
on this issue because they have long gotten a pass on it from... media
and entertainment corporations.

Younger demographics see digital
copyright as a needless obstruction. It makes their phones, computers,
and media players work less well than they should. It means the DVD they
bought legally can't be played -- legally -- by copying its contents to
the hard drive of their own computer. It means they have to pay for the
same content twice to share it between devices. It means the music
providers can make all their music disappear.

In other words,
they hate it. So repealing digital copyright might improve Republicans
stature among younger voters and it will weaken the effectiveness of the
Left's total media control.

As far as I'm concerned, repealing digital
copyright is step one. Once the volume of the liberal megaphone has been
lowered enough so that we can speak directly and in our own voices we
can start making inroads.

The good news
is we are, apparently, about 48% of the elctorate. That's not a bad
starting point. The problem is we need to persuade another 2% + 1. I
think low info voters are exactly who we should try to get because they
approach voting as a simple this-for-that transaction. There is no
ideology involved.

We will never flip someone that votes blue
based on ideology. That stuff is pretty much set in stone by the time
someone reaches adulthood. So we need to move low info, occasional
voters into our column. We need a way to reach them without the cultural
filter that is imposed on us by digital copyright.

Posted by: Basil Seal at November 14, 2012 11:18 AM (xvN0P)

191
And we're listening to Krugman, why again?

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Krugman's Law - Anything recommended by Krugman is the exact opposite of what you should do, economically.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2012 11:18 AM (e0xKF)

192 They don't work because people give out before the sponsors do.It takes a
willingness to do without for an extended period of time


No, boycotts don't work because they rarely get enough people to participate to begin with.

Sure, I agree with personally boycotting NBC as a matter of principle, but what percentage of the population would likewise follow through? .5%? 1%? They wouldn't even notice.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 14, 2012 11:19 AM (SY2Kh)

193 >>>138 Quick question: If we shaved ace, had his hair done, changed his glasses, and gave him a makeover -- could he pass for Rachel Maddow?
Call it: Operation Doppleganger. Posted by: BumperStickerist


ARe you volunteering to give Ace a Brazilian?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 14, 2012 11:20 AM (YEG/L)

194 And you do not need an officer to fly a drone.

You need a 16 yo teenage boy who has maxed out his XBox Live achievements on all the CoD games.

Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 11:22 AM (GQ8sn)

195 The reason R's don't SEEM to get that the Media is biased against them and/or conservatives is because THEY DON'T CARE.

They're in it for the power they can accrue back home. Face time, even face time where the Media pile on (maybe even especially when they do) is a reelection winner. == "wow. our Sen./Rep. is really taking heat from those b'tard Media guys. He must be doing something right."

How long were we in love with Chris Christie because he told the Media to shutup and the Unions to bite him? Yet he was a KNOWN rino long before he gave Obama his cherry on the beach.

Another mindset that needs to be rethought is whether or not R's give a crap about the things they claim that they do and what we do.

Call me crazy but isn't best to believe what someone DOES and not what they SAY?

And of the R's, who can we say is really a conservative and stands up for conservative values IN WORD AND DEED?

Posted by: AshKente at November 14, 2012 11:22 AM (SP4jC)

196 "179


The FCC would never allow conservative investors to start snatching up media outlets"

I'm sure bureaucrats would play games, but there's a Fox News isn't there? We can hire attorneys as well, and there is a legitimate 1st Amendment case to be made that you can't forbid a station ownership over political ideology.

Also, I'm not a lawyer, but the FCC has no jurisdiction over local newspapers?

Even though we can crow about the balance sheets of old media, they're going to have a big influence as far as I can see.

My state paper, The AZ Republic is dying, but still HEAVILY influences local elections and what the local tv stations cover as news.

Posted by: McAdams at November 14, 2012 11:22 AM (VTjec)

197 "Get a conservative to buy out Newsweek. Where do they all sit? In
waiting rooms. For 5 years. That's 5 years of people stuck reading the
same articles over and over. Why not show the conservative side? It's
not like the doctor is going to cancel the subscription... they don't
read it anyway."

Newsweek's print edition just died anyway.

Most of the doctors I have seen in the last few years have visibly given up on having newsmagazines at all in the waiting rooms. They have celebrity gossip, lifestyle and nature magazines and that's it.


Posted by: torquewrench at November 14, 2012 11:23 AM (ymG7s)

198 Paul Krugman should explain to us how his ideas worked so well in the real world

For example, his stint as adviser to Enron

Or why his own employer needed a bailout from Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim

Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 11:24 AM (wwsoB)

199 I've mentioned this before but political campaigns fuel the beast. Why wouldn't the media want hard fought campaigns? They profit handsomely from it in ad buys.

I have no way of proving it, but I suspect their earnings model is somewhat like the retailers, where 40% of their profit comes from the last 1.5 months of the year. For the broadcasters, this comes every 2 years, with a bigger surge in Presidential years.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 14, 2012 11:24 AM (ccXZP)

200 The fiscal cliff presents us with an opportunity to really, really punish these clowns.


Need more revenue - revoke the Hollywood tax credits. Need more revenue - Ralph Nader had the idea of taxing the networks for using the "public" airwaves -0 do it.

We gotta protect the planet - tax newspapers for printing on icky paper.....

Punish these sucker of cock.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 14, 2012 11:24 AM (OWjjx)

201 Former Enron Financial Adviser Paul Krugman

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at November 14, 2012 11:25 AM (evdj2)

202
Who says we need to "create" new ones, we can simply buy established
local stations, fire their local news team/journalists and install our
own.

We can buy newspapers that are already established local state papers.








Keep in mind that they won't go quietly. A few years back, my local paper was bought out by the philthy rich ex-wife of a pioneering cellphone magnate. When she started making editorial changes, the reporters started getting froggy and insubordinate. When she started issuing pink slips, they started the unionization process, not because they wanted a reporter's union, but because it would freeze out her ability to hire and fire due to CA's anti-retaliation labor laws.

It's been about 6-7 years since the spat began, and I believe that they're still in litigation.

In some cases like this, it might be better to just buy the paper/tv station etc and just shut the damned thing down. Lay off the ENTIRE staff, including management. Wait a year and start from scratch.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 14, 2012 11:25 AM (TIIx5)

203 194 And you do not need an officer to fly a drone.

You need a 16 yo teenage boy who has maxed out his XBox Live achievements on all the CoD games.

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Apparently the Islamists' promised 72 virgins are a bunch of gamers controlling the drones.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2012 11:26 AM (e0xKF)

204 I will not NOT watch football, no matter what channel carries the games

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 14, 2012 11:26 AM (8sCoq)

205 Posted by: Thunderb at November 14, 2012 11:16 AM (Dnbau)

AF officers fly the big drones (Predator and the like). Also, I work tangentially with the UAS field, and they are highly susceptible to loss of control. We are nowhere near being able to realistically replace an autonomous human in a cockpit. Unfortunately, leftists put too much faith into technology too early. This mindset goes back to Vietnam...read up on the "people sniffer", aka "Operation Snoopy".

Posted by: Country Singer at November 14, 2012 11:26 AM (L8r/r)

206 Get a conservative to buy out Newsweek

Uh, the last time Newsweek was sold (for a dollar, by the way) the then ownership group announced they would not sell to a conservative, even if it meant actually making money.

They wanna go broke, lets just help them along.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 14, 2012 11:26 AM (OWjjx)

207
@Hollowpoint

to me its not a numbers game,its a matter of not giving my hard earned money to people who advertise on stations that think people like me are idiots.i have not gone out to a movie in four years because hollywood let me know in no uncertain terms what they thought of me

Posted by: kj at November 14, 2012 11:26 AM (qEts0)

208
Ace:
(1) Its Paul Krugman -- does anyone seriously listen to Paul Krugman.

(2) Ok, maybe the Obama administration listens to Krugman -- because they are in fact non-serious.

(3) Hubris. The Obama administration is going to catch a major, major case of it. They will suffer for it. They are stuck in a bad feedback loop where their base and the media (but, to borrow your phrase, I repeat myself) will tell them they should let their leftist freak flag fly. But, the American people did not vote for incompetence and higher taxes (ok, yes, in a sense they did, but on balance I think -- in the swing states at least - they decided to stick with the cool devil they think they know rather than the rich devil that they did not know (ok, i have zero empiracal evidence for this, but it seems right)).

(4) When the American people decide they don't like the policies that result from electing President Talks Alot O'Golfer, will they blame (A) themselves for making a bad choice or (B) someone else?

Look, we got beat and the media sucks. They will continue to suck. They live in a NYC/LA ivy league educated bubble. They talk to themselves and think they know the Universe. But their business model is taking a hit every day and it will continue to do so.
That having been said, I just think we have to stop whining. People don't like whiners, even when they (the whiners)are right. I do think we need to find ways to relentlessly ridicule themediathough. I think someone suggested to you on Twitter that we need to find a way to re-capture the culture, but not in an overt political way. I think thats right. We can't concede cool.

Posted by: nc at November 14, 2012 11:26 AM (Cxl7g)

209 In some cases like this, it might be better to just buy the paper/tv station etc and just shut the damned thing down. Lay off the ENTIRE staff, including management. Wait a year and start from scratch.

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Good idea, if someone is looking at this in the long-term rather than at a quarterly basis.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2012 11:27 AM (e0xKF)

210 AF officers fly the big drones (Predator and the like). Also, I work tangentially with the UAS field, and they are highly susceptible to loss of control. We are nowhere near being able to realistically replace an autonomous human in a cockpit. Unfortunately, leftists put too much faith into technology too early. This mindset goes back to Vietnam...read up on the "people sniffer", aka "Operation Snoopy".
Posted by: Country Singer at November 14, 2012 11:26 AM (L8r/r)

Which is why we lost that high tack drone in Iran.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2012 11:27 AM (jE38p)

211 Boycotting those who advertise on NBC is useless, because advertisers go where the viewers are. It's all eyeballs

We opposed Obullshit, did that stop him from running ads?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 14, 2012 11:27 AM (wwsoB)

212 Of course, why should the left compromise......they only have to wait a few more days and Boehner will just capitulate anyway.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 14, 2012 11:28 AM (OWjjx)

213 #80: They had to have a supermajority in the House and Senate to go the 'no compromise' route back in 2009-2010. The Democrats do not have either, so a 'no compromise route' is going to accomplish what for them right now?

It'll have to be executive order time if they want to go that route.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - What a Relief at November 14, 2012 11:28 AM (hLRSq)

214 OT but important: Local talk radio guy says he has had calls from parents with sons who are in Air Force. They have been told to expect a 70% reduction in fighter pilots. Jed Babbin (former undersecretary of defense under Bush 41) says that is what he has heard as well. And they will be let go without pensions.

Not unheard of. After Desert Storm the AF dropped a lot of pilots. Had a friend who was in pilot school at the time, they came in and said half of them would not get seats and then gave them options. They could drop out right then and there, out of the AF and no commitment, or drop out of flight school and go to a different specialty, and maybe come back to flight school. Maybe. My buddy graduated first in his class and was the only one to get jets - and that was T-38s, his first assignment was as an instructor pilot.

This "without pensions" thing though means that this really isn't about fighter pilots, but manpower altogether. It means a RIF, reduction in force. Again, not unprecedented, and has been ongoing in the AF really since 2003.

As the number of aircraft in service declines, the less pilots are needed. As well as less mechanics, ordnance specialists, SAR types, FACs - the Air Force with less planes will be smaller.

AF has been resistant to armed UAVs, and insistent that UAVs be flown by qualified pilots. So the fighter pilot mafia will take care of its own and if they have to fly drones they will do it.

I think the getting rid of 70% of fighter pilots thing is bogus. Too targeted for the way the military does business. It is eitehr BS rumor floating around, or it is the AF trying to scare the Pentagon/Congress/etc. on the effects of sequestration.

Like the way budget cuts at the county level will always affect fire service, but never landscaping at the county council building.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 14, 2012 11:29 AM (GqeTf)

215 127 "I can't. I'm poor and Pixy offers his services for free.
"

Posted by: ace at November 14, 2012 10:47 AM (LCRYB)

There are dozens of readers around here who have the skills to create a simple site. It isn't complicated, and the costs of hosting are easily manageable (for instance: sell t-shirts!).

I'll help.

I'll help, too. (And I already boycott NBC and any other Benghazi bObama supporting business)

Posted by: molecricket at November 14, 2012 11:30 AM (jvg6T)

216
177 - Allen G
Yes -- I think you are right. It would be small and pathetic at first, but it would be something. I particularly like the Comedy idea. We need to endlessly mock the self-important, pretentious, know-it-allism of the left. Their is so much to mock.

Posted by: nc at November 14, 2012 11:31 AM (Cxl7g)

217 I'll repeat what I've said elsewhere: with the rise of the internet and cheap and powerful computers, there is no reason that a conservative group couldn't put together $10,000 for the equipment to produce conservative shows and then broadcast them on the internet. For example, Hulu had a show about a fictionalunderdog congressional campaign, and naturally it was liberal. Why shouldn't we be doing the same for our side? How about a sitcom that doesn't involve pretentiouslefties in New York City or other liberal enclaves?

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 11:31 AM (3x3F6)

218 211 KBDabear,

Our slow boycott is having some impact we need a boy/buycott of mass media.

We need to get some of their artists to go galt that are not too moonbatty and live off of paypal on a youtube like zoo of original content.

My foster dad yelled at me for quitting my degree last week.

"I needed you teaching history if you weren't going to work for me and instead you went got laid and beat your body to hell son."

If there's a nobility in my blue collar work ethic I wonder if it was not to a degree even then a form of masturbation?

Guys I fear we need to separate ourselves culturally and form an island like the Jews in NYC and the rich donks.


We need to steal back our kids.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:32 AM (LRFds)

219 "At some point we must either change the game or simply resign ourselves
to losing, given the game's current rules and current players."

I believe that has been my tune for five years. I don't have the magic solution yet either. One may not be possible.

But it is a cultural imperium by the Left, and we are within our rights to resist it. We are also bloody fools for allowing, in a free market system, this state of journalistic affairs to exist, and it shows why big money GOP donors should be looked on in askance. They appear to just want favors within a system--not Liberty.

Posted by: A. at November 14, 2012 11:32 AM (ha1w2)

220 Damn it, I didn't see that AllenG posted the same thoughts as me.
It would not be that hard. You start out with simple stuff like 7-10 minute webisodes and then short films. Also, you reach out to Hollywood conservatives for support, mentorship and the like.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 11:33 AM (3x3F6)

221 And you can mock my spelling too.

Posted by: nc at November 14, 2012 11:33 AM (Cxl7g)

222 I wonder how cheap it is to run ads on some of the less watched cable channels. Some of the conservative videos on Youtube might be trimmed down to 60 seconds and run on the cable channels that currently advertize steak knives, wrinkle creams and limp weenie cures.

Do it for four years. Maybe 15 second spots with something like, "Ambassador Stevens was killed in Benghazi during firefight that lasted for more than seven hours. President Obama watched it live on video from satellites and drones flying overhead yet he did nothing. The next day he flew to Las Vegas to raise money from rich contributors and blamed some guy who made a movie that nobody saw and that only ran on youtube." How about short spots citing our need for shared sacrifice and calling for an end to the Eisenhower movie tax cut? Show pictures of Hollywood celebrities and their expensive toys and ask why they should not pay their fair share. If they want to play class war, OK, it's on.

What does it cost to run a 15 second spot on a low viewer cable channel? What is the value of running it considering that a lot of the people watching will probably never have heard that information before?

This election has showed the way. The future lies in vote suppression among low information voters. Keep up a steady flow of commercials that dirty up the Democrat brand. Keep this up all the time, not just during election years. Remember the poem that was written about the battle of Omdurman? "Whatever happens, We have got, The Maxim gun, And they have not." And then came World War I where everybody had Maxim guns.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at November 14, 2012 11:33 AM (dGtaD)

223 I know it's not much, but I cancelled local channels on my satellite dish. Sigh. Such a small thing when I want a nuclear weapon.

Posted by: someone out there at November 14, 2012 11:33 AM (zdOaO)

224 Regarding what to buy, obviously we have no interest in buying any media outlets in say San Francisco. Some parts of the country are long gone, and we wouldn't have the resources anyway for a 50 state strategy.

But in say Ohio? Or Wisconsin? There was about 3-4 states that really determined this election, how about we start there?

And regarding liberals resisting this, of course. They're still hopping mad we dared to start Fox News, but eventually he who has the gold makes the rules.

Conservatives ignore the power of Old Media at their own peril. No matter what their profit margin or business model, they're going to influence elections and they now view that as their primary role.

Posted by: McAdams at November 14, 2012 11:34 AM (VTjec)

225 I quit watching TV news after the 2008 election, and yesterday I cancelled my cable TV service.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2012 11:35 AM (zoehZ)

226 Take them down one at a time...NBC!!!

If you take down via boycott the others will change out of fear. If they don't we expand to the next. But start with NBC the most annoying of them all. Boycott all their sponsors, boycott Comcast (if you can), boycott it all. Take out all investments as well if you have any.

Posted by: William Eaton at November 14, 2012 11:35 AM (rwioF)

227 220 Alex,

Yup I think we need to go long march on this.

I am ruminating over the proper long term goal.

I fear I am not going to want to try to stay hitched to the blue wagon regardless.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:35 AM (LRFds)

228 Do the MSM corps get tax credits?

Posted by: beans at November 14, 2012 11:35 AM (WkjHn)

229 If you want to win you better be ready to become the party of and for dunces. More people watch Fox than CNN and MSNBC put together. Doesn't matter. It is an American Idol world and the 51% want their check. We're not rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We're sitting in the deck chair with our iPhone buds in and our feet up on a chunk of ice busily texting about what we had for lunch.

Posted by: In the bunker at November 14, 2012 11:35 AM (R7H3g)

230 220 -- Yep. Seriously, it should be done.

Posted by: nc at November 14, 2012 11:36 AM (Cxl7g)

231 AF officers fly the big drones (Predator and the like). Also, I work tangentially with the UAS field, and they are highly susceptible to loss of control. We are nowhere near being able to realistically replace an autonomous human in a cockpit. Unfortunately, leftists put too much faith into technology too early. This mindset goes back to Vietnam...read up on the "people sniffer", aka "Operation Snoopy".

We've been very lucky to be fighting an enemy who doesn't have the capability to seriously affect our communications networks. That is going to change in the next twenty years, and when it does having all of your air support flown remotely by guys in Nevada is going to seem like a really stupid idea, in retrospect.

Posted by: Alex at November 14, 2012 11:37 AM (3x3F6)

232 I say give Obama everything he wants. Either he is right and things will get better, or he's wrong and things will get worse.

If he's wrong and things get worse, and people suffer enough, maybe, just maybe, the idiots who voted for Obama AGAIN will see the light. If they don't, nothing will save us.

Posted by: Marmo at November 14, 2012 11:37 AM (QW+AD)

233 Time for AOSHQ Cable Channel. Hell, our ratings would be better than CurrentTV.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 14, 2012 11:38 AM (OWjjx)

234 Ace this is not a handjob from me.

You're needed on twitter.

I rant and am too cryptic and variable.

You're consistent.

I meant what I said about funding i need to get a feel of how firm the terrain I am on is.

We have to organize despite it not being in our nature.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:38 AM (LRFds)

235 Listen folks...

A few years ago it looked like the cultural influence of the media and entertainment complex was on the decline. Newspapers would soon go out of business, CNN's ratings are in the toilet, and Hollywood was going broke making unwatchable dreck.

The situation has changed. They adapted to the new terrain. Yes, Newsweek is gone but it has been replaced but dozens of other outlets just as biased if not worse.

What got them over the hump was digital copyright. They found a way to cling to the rim of the bowl and not get flushed away by technological change. Worse: it was the Republicans who helped get it passed.

So long as digital copyright stands, non-liberal voices are relegated to cultural backwaters, echo chambers, cocoons, and ghettos. We are not heard in popular culture. We a described to the masses by our opposition.

If you would kick the legs out from beneath the cultural edifice that distorts and smothers your voice you would do so by repealing digital copyright. Put all digital works into the public domain and the liberals go from jamming through Marshall stacks in a stadium to street-corner busking.

Then maybe we have some chance competing in the popular culture. Or maybe we just write something snarky about liberals on Twitter. That's been working pretty well...

Posted by: Basil Seal at November 14, 2012 11:38 AM (xvN0P)

236 231 Alex,

Yup.

I am also ruminating over how to spike drones and not get easily blamed.

"Just as an intellectual exercise."

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:38 AM (LRFds)

237 Did the Democrats ask "Why Do They Hate Us?" in 2004 and 2010?

No, only in September 2001. Not sure why we would want to go that route.

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2012 11:39 AM (FcR7P)

238 Again, Ace, hate to suck up here, but you are right on the money. This is probably what stings more than anything (with the possible exception being if we truly have "lost the country", which I'm not sure of yet).

Their despicable hypocrisy and bias WORKED. It's one of many factors in why Romney lost, but I feel safe in saying that if the media had been even halfway honest and objective, and did not knowingly push their narrative - no way Obama would have won. And they will only be emboldened, because not only do they not pay any price, they feel vindicated. Ugh.

I've said the following before on this and other blogs and the only response I've gotten is "Well, that's what the alternative media is already doing." Even Rush has a kind of "The media are who they are, get over it and move on, Reagan won despite the media."

True, but it's nowhere near enough. We have a so-called "deep bench", but I haven't seen any Reagans in waiting out there. And I'm not so sure Reagan without the current name recognition could have won this election.

The Republicans and conservatives need to "flood the zone" on this with an emergencymentality. They must attack media bias as one of their key problems, if not their major key problem. Can't recall the phrase, "Project Friday" or something like that, for a project that MUST be solved ASAP. Who cares if the MFM and Democrats sneer and distort what we do while solving this? They do that all day, every day, anyway.

Above all, Ace. Do not give up in pointing this stuff out as often as needed, even though it's dog bites man info at this stage. Letting it ride gives them a license to continue and will slow the process even more.I never watch NBC anyway so that boycott is a no-brainer.

Posted by: RM at November 14, 2012 11:39 AM (TRsME)

239 Lay off the ENTIRE staff, including management. Wait a year and start from scratch.

WORD.

New staff, new name. Radio stations do complete rebrandings all the time, switching from one format to another. On day its rap or country, the next its sports talk radio.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:40 AM (/f80E)

240 I believe Carlos Slim is Lebanese, I could be wrong. I also think Fox pulled back under a threat from the FCC, nice broadcast license you have there shame if something happened to it.

Posted by: Museisluse at November 14, 2012 11:41 AM (SsWgR)

241 Time for a big dose of tough love with friends and family even your own kids. Don't buy Christmas gifts for the liberals in your own family and tell them that your hording cash because of the upcoming crash

Posted by: L, just L at November 14, 2012 11:42 AM (0PiQ4)

242
And you do not need an officer to fly a drone.

You need a 16 yo teenage boy who has maxed out his XBox Live achievements on all the CoD games.


Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 11:22 AM (GQ8sn)










Yeah, but that teenager would go all Hulk on the targets, not following the horribly restricting ROE, blasting the living shit out of every jihadi scum that comes into sensor range.

Wait a minute.......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 14, 2012 11:43 AM (TIIx5)

243 Remember a lot of those older / middle aged white Americans who stayed home during this election watch TV a lot (I don't). They watch those stupid reality shows, etc. This is really the case when you look at women. If you watch network TV, not just news but just the regular programming, you get a stream of anti-GOP propaganda shoved in your face all the time.

Basically the constituency we need the most to turn out in this election did not because they watch too much network TV, like NBC. They are basically brainwashed! We have to re-program them. I know some of them in my own family. They hate unions, love guns, dislike immigration, etc., etc., yet voted for Obama and think the GOP is evil. Why? They watch NBC all day long!

Posted by: William Eaton at November 14, 2012 11:44 AM (rwioF)

244
Basil Seal
Maybe. But copyright only protects existing content. Nothing is keeping us from creating our own content. And I still think between the web, DVRs and other entertainment competition, the MSM has its hands full. They don't know how to fight the competition. They are trying to use the law to protect their guild, but it won't work. I do think there will be a ton of niches that spring up -- there is a niche for us.

Posted by: nc at November 14, 2012 11:44 AM (Cxl7g)

245 149 Well if anyone has an idea better than Let it Burn, let's hear it.
'cause while you are planning your long-term goals, the left has already reached its endgame.
Better think fast.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 14, 2012 11:10 AM (X1PJ


We're saying "Let It Burn," not "Turn Over The Keys And The Note."
What the Cloward-Pivens never explained was "What Then After the Chasing Dog Catches The Car?" Who's going to be able to clear away rubble and rebuild? Those social-working desk grunts?
Why do you think they, like home boys bitching about White Flight, get pissy when folks talk secession?

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 14, 2012 11:44 AM (jfUIE)

246 But in say Ohio? Or Wisconsin? There was about 3-4 states that really determined this election, how about we start there?

And regarding liberals resisting this, of course. They're still hopping mad we dared to start Fox News, but eventually he who has the gold makes the rules.

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Once that's done, I recommend shoring up media in red states such as Louisiana to help prep the battlefield for statewide candidates to get conservatives instead of RINOs or so-called "Blue Dogs".

For example, the media in Baton Rouge, primarily owned by the Manship family, is decidedly to the left despite the area's red tint.

If the media were as interested in holding Mary Landrieu's feet to the fire as it was in imagining scandals for Bobby Jindal or wishcasting that porn stars or Lt. General Russell Honore were running against David Vitter, then we could get a second Senate seat in this state.

If the same thing were done in South Carolina, the state's Republican Party might be forced to become more like Jim DeMint rather than Lindsay Graham, as it would make it harder for them to pull the kind of bullshit they've done against Nikki Haley.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2012 11:45 AM (e0xKF)

247 I have to respectfully disagree about ideas like "starting our own web channel". As far as really influencing the culture, I see that about as effective as starting another conservative blog on WordPress. Only conservatives are going to go and check it out.

What we need is to buy ESTABLISHED media outlets where the sheeple will keep going to get their news.

Look, if NBC News went after Benghazi like Fox did, Obama would have lost the election. Period. And there's always going to be an NBC News, no matter how little money it makes.

Also, look at something like Yahoo. I'm amazed how over the top their bias is, and a HUGE amount of americans get their news there.

Posted by: McAdams at November 14, 2012 11:46 AM (VTjec)

248 245 BuddyPC,

Damn skippy.

I could have stuck and ran in scholastic circles I so hate their bullshit I earned my living with my back.

The guy who folds in 1/2 to pleasure himself over his genius ain't gonna be the guy who puts motion to task for the rebuilding.

Let's take Krugman at his word and ride the bomb in.

I'll be the one with the shovel and hammer.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:47 AM (LRFds)

249
Yeah, but that teenager would go all Hulk on the targets, not following the horribly restricting ROE, blasting the living shit out of every jihadi scum that comes into sensor range.

Wait a minute.......

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I'd pay money to see and hear the typical X-Box tards blowing the shit out of terrorists, teabagging the corpse, and yelling profanities about the terrorists' mother over the radio.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2012 11:47 AM (e0xKF)

250 Also, look at something like Yahoo. I'm amazed how over the top their bias is, and a HUGE amount of americans get their news there.

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Unfortunately, I think a lot of that is worse than normal because they "merged" with HuffPo.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2012 11:47 AM (e0xKF)

251 but I haven't seen any Reagans in waiting out there.

This country's Reagans have never been advertised in flashing neon. They appear kind of out of nowhere when needed and rise to the occasion.

Its this country's nature to wallow through a bunch of failures before seizing on the right answer. Churchill recognized this. Our military has always known that effective peacetime generals don't always make good hot fight warriors and vise versa.

The electorate is slow...it can take them quite a while to come around when a poser has a glib tongue.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:49 AM (/f80E)

252
Remember when you were a thirteen year old kid and you drew up an elaborate underground lair that you were going to build and which wasgoing to be situated in a nearby range of hills, and whichincluded a bowling alley, air strip, hospital, gym, whorehouse, symphony chamber, track and field facility, armory,farm, movie theater, river- accessible submarine base, army base for your ten thousand elite airborne shock-troops, nuke missile- launcher, radar station, moon-launch capable rocket pad, swimming pool, long-range howitzer artillery battery, gun range, helicopter base, nuclear power plant, electronics shop, gun shop, hydroponic farm, cattle pasture and gold vault, and everything else that you could possibly need for a self-contained, self-sustaining base of operations from which you could defend yourself indefinitely against either hordes of zombies or hungry democrat voters?
That's what I'm going to do.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2012 11:49 AM (03IDC)

253 Oh, fuck. Again with the spacebar issues.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2012 11:49 AM (03IDC)

254 247 McAdams,

Want to know what I think?

I think we need to find a baseline vital industry and organize taking it over and making a money pool to get enough money to start corporate raiding.

I think we need a city or two.

It's time to get as tribal as donkeyfan and make our wayward tribesman decide.

You a union guy who loves guns, hates affirmitive action, but can't get past union clout?

Get ready not to have any GOP friends who "look past it?'

That includes some in laws.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:50 AM (LRFds)

255 249 Brandon in baton Rouge,

Maybe we'll sell it on PPV in the Constitutional States of America if it comes to that.

I'd love to use big stick punitive raids on Chavez.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:51 AM (LRFds)

256 This idea of buying up media outlets is kind of interesting, but I can't help noting that probably 90% of Republican brainpower comes from people from red states. Bloggers, journalist and what have you. Why are conservatives in our stronghold in flyover country so incapable of being influential, aside from bitching in the comments section of blogs?

One thing about the areas where liberals have excessive influence is that they are careers with a high risk of failure. Liberals may dominate in the entertainment fields, but they also dominate in the failed loser who works as a waiter in his 30's because he didn't make it as a filmmaker field as well. In other words, until more conservatives hound their kids into studying enough to get into good schools and they subsequently pursue careers in news or entertainment, not a single fucking thing is going to change.

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 14, 2012 11:53 AM (E55AK)

257 I'll boycott NBC, but can I still watch CNBC? (I like to watch Rick Santelli dismantle lefties with facts.)

Posted by: Deafdog at November 14, 2012 11:53 AM (F1JEL)

258
getting a government assistance check and being able to vote is a clear conflict of interest,my solution would be if you've been on some sort of government assistance program for over six months your voting right should be suspended until you are off the program

Posted by: kj at November 14, 2012 11:53 AM (qEts0)

259 What we need is to buy ESTABLISHED media outlets where the sheeple will keep going to get their news.

Pirate stations. There were pirate stations on ships in the english channel for years the govt couldn't do anything about.

Go outside the system and force it to play whack-a-mole. If you play within the system, you can be shutdown with the stroke of a pen. Go pirate, and it'll take an untidy armed assault.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:54 AM (/f80E)

260 There's already a bunch of hispanic themed pirate stations operating out of Dade county. They pop up later in the night and do political commentary, news, sports, music, etc.

The FCC never seems to be able to shut them down permanently.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:56 AM (/f80E)

261 Re: 256. I meant to say that most conservative brainpower comes from Blue States, not Red.

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 14, 2012 11:58 AM (E55AK)

262 Purple Avenger nice ideas.

We need to decide how hard we want to go and whether or not the corpse is still worth kissing.

I suspect they ain't coming back.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 11:58 AM (LRFds)

263 261 AbeF,

maybe...then again I told my son to make money and put food on the table as first duty....

am i fucking retarded or is the moonbat who says follow your dreams into a 105,000 debt working as a waiter?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 12:00 PM (LRFds)

264 263 - I'm not disagreeing. Just noting that until that changes, nothing else is likely to.

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 14, 2012 12:01 PM (E55AK)

265 We do not -- nor are we likely to -- have the resources to create a parallel culture. Even assuming we could sustain the effort that would be required of such a thing.

A more practical tactic is to undermine the mechanism that props up liberal pop/media culture: digital copyright.

This is an attainable legislative goal for the near term (without Republicans it never would have passed). Doing so we provide some opportunity for us to participate in and influence the culture. We are effectively locked out at the moment.

Absent another disruptive technology, we will remain locked out.

Posted by: Basil Seal at November 14, 2012 12:01 PM (xvN0P)

266 Abe F I wasn't being hateful just saying....

they are the beautiful people so I hear...

I was raised to be a dutiful person.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 12:02 PM (LRFds)

267 RE: cable outlets such as MSNBC. If the GOP ever decides to run on liberty [cough], it should always be selling. A way to sell individual liberty and to wound the MSM is toseek to end the subsidization of these marginal "news" sources bybundled cable subscriptions. The bundle immunizes the assholes against the market. We laugh at their low viewership but 1) they are still getting a chunk of change and 2) they "create" memes that are repeated "objectively" by the MSM. This slant may even resonate with the low info voter. "Yeah, why SHOULD I have to pay for shit I don't watch?" Yeah, why should you.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 14, 2012 12:03 PM (qwK3S)

268 I hear a lot of griping, and more drama than a Kardashian-based reality show, but not a lot of action.

In fact, I am thinking of one simple thing everyone could do to Obama-proof themselves, and I bet that the majority of commenters here have not done it.

No, that is not comment spam or an invitation to click on some dodgy website or buy some shady service from me.

Have you talked with a competent, trusted CPA to ensure you are not paying too much in taxes? I am not talking about tax evasion or anything illegal. I am talking about making sure you are not paying significantly more than the law requires.

Maybe investigate what legal investment strategies exist that are realistic for you to reduce (legally! I am only talking about legal measures here!) what Uncle Sam keeps.

Worst case, you are out a couple of hundred bucks and an hour or two of your time. More likely, the CPA will find a surprising amount of legal deductions that you have not been taking, or have some suggestions to reduce your tax liability in the future.

The point is that there is a lot YOU could be doing -- whoever you are -- that you are not doing because you would rather be whining in some comments thread. Even simple, obvious stuff.

So maybe things aren't so bad. After all, its when the whining stops that you know things really have gotten desperate. And there is still plenty of whining here.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at November 14, 2012 12:03 PM (8kUqK)

269 Because no one is buying that bullshit but Fox News addicts and DittoHeads.
Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 14, 2012 10:48 AM (g0RWK)

As you know well, Herb, those rent seekers prefer nations have socialist governments because it is much easier to rob a nation if its government is your willing accomplice.

How do you sleep at night?

Posted by: Invictus at November 14, 2012 12:05 PM (OQpzc)

270 @244

I want to repeal digital copyright because it is the mechanism that provides funding to the liberal institutions that control the culture. Remove the funding, diminish the influence.

They have adapted to the technological disruption to their old business model. Newsweek was just a brand name. The ideology survives and remains a part of the dominant media culture - the one you are not allowed to participate in.

It gets it's money from digital copyright - money from airplay of music, money from device manufacturers, money from consumers it all goes into the cultural monolith that has one message: liberal good, conservative bad.

Posted by: Basil Seal at November 14, 2012 12:06 PM (xvN0P)

271 The FCC never seems to be able to shut them down permanently.

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Those fuckers shut down my station in Paradise Hills, Arizona.

Goddamn radio trucks and their triangulation of signals...

Posted by: Happy Harry Hardon at November 14, 2012 12:06 PM (e0xKF)

272 268 Sweet Lou,

I'm a tax pro.

I'm on it.

from a man who refuses to acknowledge there are limits to him trying to be my unwanted life coach.

That is an SNL skit that was never made....

fuck the media

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 12:07 PM (LRFds)

273 269 Invictus,

sadly not permanently.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 12:07 PM (LRFds)

274 Don't boycott the media.

Use Obama's victory as an excuse to tax the ever-living shit out of the media. "Fairness," dontcha know. "Patriotism," "skin in the game," et cetera.

Fuck them sideways with a bundle of rusty rebar...

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 14, 2012 12:09 PM (OY/SZ)

275 Let 'em have it.
"Time to burn this mother down"

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 14, 2012 12:11 PM (tYaDf)

276 Sweet Lou,

I'm one of the evil small business owners and have been doing that for both business and family taxes since the business was formed circa 1981. FWIW, every other small business owner I know that I can think of right now does that as well (at least for their business).

The business has been audited, and the IRS went to my accountant's office. The CPA in charge of the account had them packing their briefcases and heading home without any more dollarsin their pockets in short order.Slam dunk. A good CPA can be worth their weight in gold.

Posted by: RM at November 14, 2012 12:13 PM (TRsME)

277 Sunday Night Football sucks.

Posted by: PR at November 14, 2012 12:14 PM (KHo8t)

278 sven10077

Not sure if you are agreeing with me, or telling me to go to hell. Please clarify.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at November 14, 2012 12:14 PM (8kUqK)

279 Most TV shows air for free on the internet. You can find them on the station website

This does no good. They get paid by advertisers by the amount of traffic those sites get.


Posted by: GMan at November 14, 2012 10:46 AM (sxq57)



You don't have to go to the network's sites. There are other sites with the shows. Network and cable. No commercials

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 14, 2012 12:15 PM (1Jaio)

280 278 Sweet Lou,

Saying I agree, and I've been working on it.

Starve the beast they can't take it if you won't make it.

The other bit about the SNL skit just popped into my head....imagine the next eddie murphy acting like a preachy asshole uncontracted life coach every minute of various profession's day...

sorry

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 12:20 PM (LRFds)

281 259 What we need is to buy ESTABLISHED media outlets where the sheeple will keep going to get their news.

Pirate stations. There were pirate stations on ships in the english channel for years the govt couldn't do anything about.

Go outside the system and force it to play whack-a-mole. If you play within the system, you can be shutdown with the stroke of a pen. Go pirate, and it'll take an untidy armed assault.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 11:54 AM (/f80E)


Outlaw!

Posted by: Jeff Goldstein at November 14, 2012 12:26 PM (jfUIE)

282 There has to be a more effective way than a boycott of NBC. They're now owned by Comcast, which is surely not much of a political outfit. Someone just fucking BUY them and fire every last asshole at NBC and MSNBC news. Done.

Other than that, I don't know what the answer is, but as you point out, Ace, defeating the media has become job #1 at this point. We have 4 years to find a way.

Posted by: deadrody at November 14, 2012 12:27 PM (DkAJe)

283 Boycott all programming from all major networks for all time. We shouldn't try to influence them, we need to DESTROY them.

Posted by: reggie1971 at November 14, 2012 12:32 PM (156mN)

284 What would another network do?!?!

How about diversity and competition. Fox is the only game in town if you want non-liberal news. And they aren't all that good at it. Maybe if they had some competition, they would get with the program.

Posted by: deadrody at November 14, 2012 12:33 PM (DkAJe)

285 Cancel Comcast and switch to Fios. It's better

Posted by: Avi at November 14, 2012 12:35 PM (Gx3Fe)

286 FBC is better than Foxnews.

Is there anyone that doesn't prefer Lou Dobbs to Shemp?

Posted by: Avi at November 14, 2012 12:38 PM (Gx3Fe)

287 Call me when you move from advocating boycotts to advocating violence

Posted by: Trump at November 14, 2012 12:38 PM (BV2Ir)

288 The media learned a long time ago that they could sway elections. I remember when David Duke ran for some office or the other in Louisiana. His opponent was a dirty crook (like most politicians, only more so) and Duke was a KKKer. The press hammered Dukes KKK past (which they should have) and downplayed his opponents flaws, and Duke lost. I wasn't unhappy with the result (would have been better if both had lost IMHO), but it showed the power of the press to sway elections.

Posted by: jim at November 14, 2012 12:39 PM (VwhRo)

289 People were getting accurate reporting from the rightwing bubble so if you get beat my other media outlets (like say NYT) whose fault is it?
The whole unskewing polls business alone is a massive stain on the credibility of the people who did it. Next time you might to drool all over yourself, wear a bib at least.

Posted by: kevinw at November 14, 2012 12:41 PM (ncq1x)

290 let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out

Posted by: mister brickhouse at November 14, 2012 12:43 PM (GOmR6)

291
Boycott NBC?

Seriously, who here ISN'T boycotting NBC? Show of hands: who here EVER watches NBC News, MSNBC, CNBC, etc.?

NBC is a liberal bastion. You might have noticed that the liberals got 51% of the vote. With 50 or 60 or 70 million useful idiots out there, there is PLENTY of money to support NBC indefinitely.

This site is getting shrill.

Who's taking some Hispanic kids and/or Girl Scouts out this weekend, to learn how to fish, or shoot clays, or even hike a mountain to see how beautiful it is?

You don't build a Hispanic base by opening the borders. You don't pigeon hole "women's issues" into "Free Birth Control." Where is the RNC teaming with the NRA and other such organizations to really turn this thing around the right way?

Build a base; manipulate the useful idiots; win.

"Boycott NBC" makes you sound like you have your panties in a knot. Again: who here even watches them now?

Posted by: RobM1981 at November 14, 2012 12:46 PM (4WC+3)

292 Seriously, who here ISN'T boycotting NBC? Show of hands: who here EVER watches NBC News, MSNBC, CNBC, etc.?

its not boycotting the stations themselves its boycotting the companies that pay to advertise on those stations

Posted by: kj at November 14, 2012 12:57 PM (AW9md)

293 292 KJ,

Yup.

They want to play Tribes they need to learn what the right can do with economic political pressure.

We outnumber Super Jesse Jackson by a longshot.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 01:00 PM (LRFds)

294 @27
>>>It seems to me the solution to this is to simply have wealthy conservatives buy up media outlets.


. . .
...



>>I was thinking this and want to write about it. My problem is this:
We already have Fox, and we already have, sort of, the WSJ.



>> I'm wondering, non-rhetorically, actually wondering, what a new
network would bring to the table. I wonder how it would do things more
effectively than Fox.

Fox, as the only non-leftist TV network, is continually open to attack and cast as the outsider - the wacky right-wing station - by the rest of the MSM and the admin. Add a second network and the dynamic begins to change.
Also - it's not NBC that we want, or ABC - both aren't going to be sold by their parent companies. It's CBS that should be the target. CBS is owned by CBS Corp, and could be vulnerable to a hostile takover.

Posted by: RickH at November 14, 2012 01:10 PM (KjmW5)

295 The dominant pop/media culture and the institutions that comprise it are hardened against boycotts and they have adapted to the disruptive technology of the Internet. They will not be defeated by boycotting them or their advertisers.

Building up parallel institutions (read: media networks) is capital-intensive, time-consuming, and -- ultimately -- doomed to failure. They will be read out of the culture in the same manner as FOX News. FOX News speaks only to the converted. It is an echo-chamber. Outside the conservative ghetto FOX News is regarded little differently than talk radio.

We don't need moar Limbaugh, moar FOX, moar blogs. We need to weaken the liberal domination of the culture. We do that by weakening the cultural outlets that allow them to control the culture in the first place. That means movie studios, record companies, TV networks, newspapers, etc.

They all depend on digital copyright. Before digital copyright, every single one of the aforementioned cultural outlets was doomed by the disruptive technology of the Internet. Digital copyright saved them.

It true that they are weakened somewhat by the Internet but that is a case of having gone from absolute dominance to total dominance. Point being, we have been deluded into thinking that liberal domination of cultural outlets would diminish rapidly with the expansion of the Internet. Instead we find ourselves on the losing end of an election and all our competing media effectively ghetto-ized.

But the fact remains, digital copyright is the only thing that saved them. Take that away and the NY Times becomes no more powerful than Drudge. Or at least their influence becomes diminished enough to make the discussion of creating parallel cultural structures worth having.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Basil Seal at November 14, 2012 01:49 PM (xvN0P)

296 Some of these solutions are based more on emotion than actually getting a desired result.

Like boycotting NBC. Okay, conservatives stop watching NBC News. So what? That doesn't get the "sheeple" vote. We're not trying to reach the converted.

NBC, ABC, CBS news is always going to be there, regardless if we watch it or not or what their balance sheet says. NBC is not going to say "we're no longer doing the news" it's just not going to happen.

Conservatives need to get over this fantasy that all the newspapers and tv stations are going to go bankrupt and conservative media will be the dominant media. those "mainstream" institutions may not have the reach they used to, but it's still the deciding factor in elections.

BUT, if we had different owners of these "gate keepers" you have a real game changer.

Posted by: McAdams at November 14, 2012 02:55 PM (VTjec)

297
No cable, and no digital box for over-the-air TV reception, as I have cut back on spending, since, thanks to the ObamaEconomy, my standard of living keeps going down, as my paycheck doesn't keep up with inflation and tax increases.

Mission accomplished DemocRats.

Posted by: Been Going Galt Since 2008 at November 14, 2012 03:59 PM (G/Zoa)

298 Of course, what I have to say in this message isn't anything that we haven't already heard a ton in the last week, but I will echo the sentiment:

Let Krugman and the Democrats et al. have what they want! It's time for us to stop trying to educate the public at large about the consequences of what they advocate. It doesn't work. The media sees to it, the Democrats see to it (sorry for the redundancy), all the bien-pensants see to it (more redundancy, sorry).

On an individual basis--resist we much! For example, I'm not going to purchase health insurance, and in fact I will intentionally pull myself out of the health insurance market, and I won't pay the damn penalty, I mean tax, either.

But on the macro level, where we finally have a people who want to be self-sufficient, where government is small and inconsequential in our daily lives, where we are truly free? That's gone and it will take the systemic shock of allowing Americans to finally see the results of what they advocate thrust upon them, full bore.

I sound defeatist, but I don't know what else to do. Beyond the individual stuff, I mean. If even 20% of us, and by "us" I mean Americans who don't like Obamacare, withdrew from that market, we'd force the government to choke on it. I don't think it's really defeatist until we let the government truly take the power from us on the individual level, and I will never, ever yield on this, and I pretty much BEG all of you to also never yield--if your circumstances permit. E.g. don't starve yourself or especially your families to whom you have responsibilities.

The country we all know, or thought we knew, and love is gone. And it probably never really existed in any of our lifetimes, either. Thanks a lot, FDR. And LBJ. And Carter, and Obama.

Posted by: Andy at November 14, 2012 04:01 PM (zywAw)

299 I think if Boehner had any guts, he would explain in a press conference that he would advise his caucus not to stand in the way of what the Democrats desire. He won't be obstructionist, you see.

We are to compromise everything, while ensuring they compromise nothing. Give them enough rope and don't allow them to blame us when the shit REALLY hits the fan. Oh, they'll blame us anyway, for not working hard enough to support them, for cheating on our taxes somehow. And who knows, maybe it will work! But it won't work forever.

Posted by: Andy at November 14, 2012 04:06 PM (zywAw)

300 OMG, stop with the calls for a boycott. Calling for a boycott is like your enemy going on a hunger strike. I'd be more than happy to watch all my enemies die without doing anything. Conservatives disengaging from the culture is how they win. Conservatives didn't lose the culture war. They chose not to fight and withdrew from the battle. That's how the left got unfettered control of the schools, the media, and the culture. Breitbart understood that. That's why he engaged the left EVERYWHERE and used their tactics against them. So stop bragging that you dont have a tv and all movies are stupid. Be a paying customer and make some noise. Disrupt their events, join the school boards, stop going along to get along. Yes, rich conservatives should invest in new media outlets but we should also challenge current institutions. Death by a thousand cuts.

Even more importantly, stand up for conservativism and liberty in your daily life. I'm in California and I speak out all the time. I dont mind the lefty stupidity. But it really grates on my nerves after I've spoken out in a group of people, me against the entire room (10 or 15 people). Then afterward, a conservative or republican will approach me and say that they agreed with me and was glad someone spoke out. Conservatives, you need to speak up in the room. After the fact is useless. My conservative friends will say that "you like to argue" or that "you don't mind when people scream at you." Yes, I do mind but I will not sit quietly by and let people wish death on conservatives or trash my church. We can't all buy a tv station, but we can all speak up at work or in our circle of friends. Speak up and push back!! It's liberating.

Posted by: Black Redneck at November 14, 2012 05:11 PM (bib2h)

301 Boycotting NBC is a half-measure, at best. Unless we're willing to go all the way and boycott NBC's revenue streams i.e. advertisers, what's the point?

As I stated in another thread, burn their houses down with them inside. Needless to say, I'm not holding my breath, but we will be canceling our cable service until such time as these useful idiots stop being useful idiots and start doing their damn jobs.

Posted by: Caninepundit at November 14, 2012 11:39 PM (PlKIC)

302 More Republicans need to go into the media. I know we prefer real jobs but we can't afford to give liberals a near monopoly on public discussion for the average citizen.

Posted by: Josef at November 15, 2012 10:28 AM (8Fnj4)






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