Top Headline Comments 11-14-12

Happy Wednesday.

I'm already sick of hearing that the Generals scandal is a "distraction" cooked up by Democrats or the media to keep people from thinking about Benghazi. As I explained yesterday on Twitter, we shouldn't just ignore security breaches because we wanted Obama to look bad at Benghazi hearings. Daniel Drezner had more on that:

So unlike, say, questions about drone warfare or counterterrorism policy or homeland security or civil liberties, Americans will pay attention to this stuff. Which is interesting, because over the past decade the military has been the one institution to inspire significant amounts of trust in Americans. The less that the public trusts the military, the less that they will trust what the military is doing.

Also, Marc Ambinder has a must-read post over at the Week about what the Generals scandal has revealed about FBI investigations in general.

USA Today has a long, but quality discussion of the fiscal cliff, including the three scenarios for how this will shake out.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:32 AM



Comments

1 Foist?

Posted by: massideas at November 14, 2012 06:37 AM (v32fM)

2 Good Morning Morons. Today is Wednesday, November 14, 2012. On this day in 1995 the government began a “partial shutdown”. Of course the MFM blames congress and Gingrich but congress passed the budget and Clinton vetoed it. The media to this day try to say that congress could not pass a budget. That is an outright lie. The MFM has been lying a lot longer than just the Obama regime.


Early today?

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:39 AM (YdQQY)

3 Will someone please write a firefox add-on that removes every photo of jef so i can search the internet without his arrogant lying face on every page...

otherwise i don't think i can take another four years.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 14, 2012 06:39 AM (zZJJp)

4 Long Island Power Authority CEO stepping down over power restoration efforts. No mention of the unions and other assholes and the shear problems of restoring power while areas are still flooded. You MFM at work again.

http://is.gd/5qXut5

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:40 AM (YdQQY)

5 Hillary promises $30M in aid to Syria. Who made her congress?

http://is.gd/upWbmH

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:40 AM (YdQQY)

6 Putin says Obama to visit Russia. I guess flexibility is coming.

http://is.gd/iB4kis

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:40 AM (YdQQY)

7 Montana Republican asks to be paid in gold because he doesn’t trust US dollar any more.

http://is.gd/PGaWCP

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:40 AM (YdQQY)

8 Rahm Emanuel accused of secretly recording reporters conversations without their consent. This is a violation of law but, hey it’s a Democrat in Chicago Town. No harm no foul.

http://is.gd/3BbpcV

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:41 AM (YdQQY)

9 Meanwhile Ken Salazar threatens to punch out a reporter. Notice how this is a Denver paper. Where’s the MFM. Imagine if this was under the evil Bush adm where reporters hounded the shit out of him.

http://is.gd/3BbpcV

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:41 AM (YdQQY)

10 TX petition to secede is up to 76,000 now. Rick Perry weighs in….no, its not going to happen. Sorry TX Morons. Sorry for the rest of us who would immediately move there is they did.

http://is.gd/0S9i0T

Also note there are 40 States now. That is more than enough to call an Art V. Too bad we are not channeling these efforts that way.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:42 AM (YdQQY)

11 WI doesn’t want to secede. They just want to arrest Obamacare officials for violation of the Constitution. Hell, why stop at that one violation?

http://is.gd/MKJDC2

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:42 AM (YdQQY)

12 Big Obama donor laying off people due to Obamacare. Something I have NEVER understood is why the CEOs of large corporations donate money to Democrats. I know they expect large returns in crony corruption like all those phony green energy corporations. But the fact remains if you are not in a business that Democrats like you are going to get screwed.

http://is.gd/WT9wJv

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:42 AM (YdQQY)

13 Obama wants $1.6T in new taxes. He doesn’t want a deal. He wants a pineapple wrapped in rusty barbed wire shoved up his ass. But we depend on Boner to do it. Too bad, we are screwed blued and tattooed..

http://is.gd/k9srpv

He promised commies in Moveon he WILL raise taxes. Glad to know he is even admitting he is a dictator and doesn’t depend on congress.

http://is.gd/UilI5j

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:42 AM (YdQQY)

14 CA implements CAP and Trade. How can a State do this? Simple, all Cap and Trade is is a new form of tax on energy companies and factories. It has never been about the phony CO2 scam. It has always been a scheme to increase taxes. All this will do is accelerate CA’s demise. Hillary will probably give them some more aid.

http://is.gd/1JBLNR

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:43 AM (YdQQY)

15 NPR twisting exit polls to push for tax increase. Folks, let me repeat this. Exit poll data is shit this election for determining voter attitudes. We need an entrance poll to determine why people sat at home. We know liberals voted and a lot of conservatives didn’t.

http://is.gd/Qxch4O

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:43 AM (YdQQY)

16 Commie Dana Millbank says all these “Red States” should be allowed to secede because it would be a plus to the federal budget. He repeats that old canard about the federal government sending the red States billions more than it takes in in taxes from them. What these bastards do is add up ALL expenditures in the State by the government then imply that it is federal aid. The majority of the money they add up is of course SS, military pay, military base expenditures, national parks etc. Yes, those expenses would go down except SS. We would demand that all money paid by red State people into the system be returned with interest. The next time you here this lie from the commies throw it back in their face. Also note that most military bases are in the red States because the blue ones hate the military.

http://is.gd/2BpXq3

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:43 AM (YdQQY)

17 Could the OH election be reversed? Obama won OH by ~ 100K votes. There are still 300K votes not counted.

http://is.gd/JAzn6Y

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:43 AM (YdQQY)

18 Kindle Daily Deal:


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The ninth volume of the Pulitzer Prize-winning Oxford History of the United States series examines the years 1929 through 1945 when the American people faced the Great Depression and World War II. Historian David Kennedy vividly shows how Americans endured, and eventually prevailed, in the face of these unprecedented calamities.


(Note: From what I understand this is just a history of the FDR administration. Like most histories it considers that FDR saved us which is bull shit. Read the forgotten man instead. I am waiting for that to go on the daily deal.)


And that's it

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:44 AM (YdQQY)

19 I would move back home in a heartbeat and defend Texas. If Texas went, so Would the rest of the Old South. Except for Virginia. They are long gone.

Too bad it ain't happening

Posted by: Zakn at November 14, 2012 06:44 AM (LbwgI)

20 I'm already sick of hearing that the Generals scandal is a "distraction"
cooked up by Democrats or the media to keep people from thinking about
Benghazi.




I am sick of hearing about it period. I think him screwing the help should be an issue between him and his wife and I don't give a shit who he screws as long as it is not the tax payer,


But he should be subpoenaed to testify on who new what when.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:45 AM (YdQQY)

21 Well, I googled Jill Kelly and quickly realized I had misspelled the name of the woman involved in this whole clusterfuck.

Yowza.

Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 14, 2012 06:46 AM (zxrQh)

22


DAY 8


1,452 to go*


*Mayan calendar and assorted meshugas notwithstanding


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 06:47 AM (XkWWK)

23


How did we miss the obvious last night?

JILL KELLY'S HEROES


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 06:48 AM (XkWWK)

24 3
"Will someone please write a firefox add-on that removes every photo of
jef so i can search the internet without his arrogant lying face on
every page..."


seriously - a little facial recognition routine. maybe context sniffing. maybe even a database of images that need to be scrubbed, so if it is marked a few times it goes into the database and no one else has to see it.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 14, 2012 06:49 AM (zZJJp)

25 my guess is jef is going to russia to gain pointers on this perpetual presidency thing.

Putin can teach him how to take over the local governments and such, and Jef can give Putin pointers on controlling the press.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 14, 2012 06:52 AM (zZJJp)

26 <<<Could the OH election be reversed? Obama won OH by ~ 100K votes. There are still 300K votes not counted.

I was just going to mention something about that. Isn't there some sort of automatic mechanism in place for recounts when the race is decided by around 1 percent? I keep thinking four lousy states and 407,000 votes.

Not that I think you can 'undo' a concession, but
1. It would shut up the 'mandate' talk
2. Shut up the RINO's who want amnesty
3. Quiet the lefties who want more free stuff
4. Prove that Obama actually lost the EC

I guess it really isn't over until the Electoral College votes, though.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 14, 2012 06:53 AM (feFL6)

27
L I B


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 06:58 AM (XkWWK)

28 Good morning, all. They still haven't ascertained the cause of the explosion in Indianapolis, except they have ruled out leaks in the pipelines.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 14, 2012 06:59 AM (GoIUi)

29 16
Commie Dana Millbank says all these “Red States” should be allowed to
secede because it would be a plus to the federal budget. He repeats that
old canard about the federal government sending the red States billions
more than it takes in in taxes from them. What these bastards do is add
up ALL expenditures in the State by the government then imply that it
is federal aid. The majority of the money they add up is of course SS,
military pay, military base expenditures, national parks etc. Yes, those
expenses would go down except SS. We would demand that all money paid
by red State people into the system be returned with interest. The next
time you here this lie from the commies throw it back in their face.
Also note that most military bases are in the red States because the
blue ones hate the military.

http://is.gd/2BpXq3

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:43 AM (YdQQY)
So ,lets roll?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 14, 2012 07:00 AM (AWmfW)

30 Not that I have any expectation of the results changing, but why would a concession speech be legally binding? I don't see it.

Posted by: f2000 at November 14, 2012 07:01 AM (abiX9)

31 Good morning, again. Just going to hang out and get a feel for the old girl. Maybe learn a thing or two.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 07:01 AM (GX2fm)

32 #30 Didn't Gore recant his concession to Bush? I believe so.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 14, 2012 07:02 AM (GoIUi)

33 28 Posted by: Miss Marple at November 14, 2012 06:59 AM (GoIUi)


The explosion in Indianapolis?


Occupy Wall Street used the slow fuse.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:02 AM (XkWWK)

34 Why not give him his tax increase and his war on coal but make him fight his own party in the rust belt and fake moderates to do it? The only way to beat Democrats in a D6 environment is to make less of them, they don't need independents anymore. Make the first battleground in every fight start with obama and Reid. This would also expose what the democrats want to do, which the media hides. But that would take someone actually thinking up a strategy so it won't happen.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 14, 2012 07:04 AM (EoQ9s)

35 32 #30 Didn't Gore recant his concession to Bush? I believe so.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 14, 2012 07:02 AM (GoIUi)


Silly rabbit, Gore's a Democrat.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:04 AM (XkWWK)

36 Vic, most of the nation's food and natural resources are also from the "red" states. Do the libs count any of these expenditures in their "math"?

Who do you think needs who the most....

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:04 AM (9ScGj)

37 Yes you can recall a concession speech and yes Gore did that.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:05 AM (YdQQY)

38 <<Not that I have any expectation of the results changing, but why would a concession speech be legally binding?

I think the only thing which is binding is the results of the vote of the Electoral College. The states have between now and... I'm thinking sometime in December to certify the results of the election.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 14, 2012 07:05 AM (feFL6)

39 Who do you think needs who the most....

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:04 AM (9ScGj)

Yes, Dana Millbank is an idiot. But hey, he's a Democrat so that goes without saying.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:06 AM (YdQQY)

40 The election is actually not Constitutionally final until the Electoral College votes in December/January.


Then again, the Constitution is about as meaningful these days as Archie Comics. Maybe less.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:06 AM (XkWWK)

41 Also note there are 40 States now. That is more than enough to call an Art V. Too bad we are not channeling these efforts that way.
Posted by: Vic


You would think there would be some discussion on this. So why aren't conservatives bringing this up?

Posted by: macintx at November 14, 2012 07:07 AM (/p4zq)

42 Who cares? Who cares? Like some Republican is going to come up with a new and creative idea about anything? Hahaha. What a pack of losers.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:07 AM (uIpSF)

43 So I'm reading the USA Today article linked in this article ... and I'm wondering about all the small businesses paying taxes as individuals. Shouldn't the GOP have used, and be using this, as a natural issue? Advocate a NEW Subchapter S rule or something, where they pay a fixed rate - say, whatever the fractional tax rate is on $20,000 for an individual that tax year.

This would lure small business owners over to our side, make it easier for a lot of them to stay in business by reducing their taxes, and we could use it as a wedge to show we are the real protectors of the "Little guy." By asking why people should pay more than businesses, and demand that individual tax rates be the same, or lower than, small business rates.

And then we could campaign to make that the tax rate for all businesses.

Kind of a judo approach: lower rates for businesses to keep jobs, then lower people's rates to match, then lower big business rates to match everyone else's. Start with something defensible. Use a single mom owner of a dog-walking business or a gay hipster cake baker or the proud black owner of a barbecue stand as the face of the initial campaign.

And paint any lefties that try to argue against it as sexist, misogynist, racist, homophobes.

Fuck the left. Time to use their tactics against them.


Posted by: Josef K. at November 14, 2012 07:08 AM (tOkJB)

44 Republican impotence? Ha! They won't even be able to get Petraeus to testify under oath. Nope, not going to happen. Losers, one and all.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:09 AM (uIpSF)

45 You would think there would be some discussion on this. So why aren't conservatives bringing this up?

Posted by: macintx at November 14, 2012 07:07 AM (/p4zq)

A lot of the Morons here say that it will make things worse. But all of the initial conventions allowed each State ONE vote on matters. There are a LOT more red States than there are blue States so we should be able to restore some sanity or if not agree to split up
A constitutional convention can do that peacefully w/o a war between the States.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:10 AM (YdQQY)

46 The one thing that we need is this: some kind of an adversarial press rather than the lapdog version we have now. And all these smart Republicans? Entrepreneurs?

Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:11 AM (uIpSF)

47 Keep an eye on CA if you want to see what a true blue "People's Republic of..." would look like. The dims now have super majorities in both state houses and repubs are completely helpless to even slow shit down.

Utopia is only months away!

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:11 AM (9ScGj)

48 Get people to vote for a constitutional convention? When they wouldn't get off their bums and vote against Obama, the worst president in history. Hahahaha.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:12 AM (uIpSF)

49 Yeah, keep an eye on California. You bet. Do you think the Fourth Estate is going to allow that sort of news to get out? And if it does, do you think they'll allow an unfavorable interpretation? Hahaha. All this talk of going around the media with new media? Hahaha.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:14 AM (uIpSF)

50 23 -

I believe it came up (that's what she said). I didn't say it because it was too obvious, and frankly we're not really talking about heroes.

The thing is, and this needs to be said over and over and over, Generals are politicians first and foremost. This is Obama's purge of the Generals put there by Bush. He'll have his own set of loyals ready and waiting to take their place.

Sad but true.

Also sadly, I would assume the untold story is Generals are often, if not always, surrounded by boinkable help of one sort or another. So to take one down this way is to play "gotcha" with a ploy of pretending this is new or different. It's not.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 07:14 AM (BeSEI)

51 Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:12 AM (uIpSF)

Dude, you're harshing my buzz. I almost had my fantasy country completed....in my head.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:15 AM (9ScGj)

52 3 Endeavor,

I'd prefer one that replaces it with either his retarded laughing pic or grim I hate you gaze.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:16 AM (LRFds)

53 We sure to have a lot of "new" trolls or are these just Average Joe socks?

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:16 AM (YdQQY)

54 9 Vic,

Ken would look a lot happier if a crowd of GOP backers used that goddamned hat of his for a suppository.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:17 AM (LRFds)

55 50, 23 Also sadly, I would assume the untold story is Generals are often, if not always, surrounded by boinkable help of one sort or another. So to take one down this way is to play "gotcha" with a ploy of pretending this is new or different. It's not.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 07:14 AM (BeSEI)

Remember Ollie North's "assistant" Fawn Hall?
She was very attractive, but I think Ollie kept his wick zipped.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:17 AM (XkWWK)

56 Also sadly, I would assume the untold story is
Generals are often, if not always, surrounded by boinkable help of one
sort or another. So to take one down this way is to play "gotcha" with a
ploy of pretending this is new or different. It's not.


Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 07:14 AM (BeSEI)

Petraeus thinking Obama wouldn't backstab him is amazing.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 14, 2012 07:17 AM (AWmfW)

57 lib

Posted by: Opus an Arcus at November 14, 2012 07:18 AM (J6l0/)

58 44 Republican impotence? Ha! They won't even be able to get Petraeus to testify under oath. Nope, not going to happen. Losers, one and all.
Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:09 AM (uIpSF)

What's funny asshole is most people here probably will laugh with you while obama gets away with coverin up the reasons for 4 Americans being murdered and sodomized.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 14, 2012 07:18 AM (EoQ9s)

59 The oldest trick in the book for having 'plausible denialbility' (which may not be a real word) is to transpose the beginning two numbers when reporting election results. So a Romney vote of 92,000 becomes 29,000. Until someone sits down and looks at the actual printouts.

Oops.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 14, 2012 07:18 AM (feFL6)

60 50 Burt TC,

The Generals in question could have fixed a lot of stupid that both sets of politicians have exerted on behalf of their Saudi pay masters.

Sympathy?

Fresh out.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:18 AM (LRFds)

61 Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 07:14 AM (BeSEI)

90% of Generals are Alpha males

Alpha males urge to spread their seed

Generals get the hottest secretaries on base/post

Mix and serve.....

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:19 AM (9ScGj)

62 BTW folks there was one article I did not link that said Republicans in the Senate have told Democrats that they will block a Rice SOS nomination. And not just RINO Graham.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:19 AM (YdQQY)

63 Vic it is not gonna happen this cycle, but ponder and observe and if inclined start steering folk that way.

The US government is simply too big to trust these days.

Your liberty is likely safer breaking into baby bells.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:20 AM (LRFds)

64 59 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 14, 2012 07:18 AM (feFL6)


Look at the shenanigans with Allen West, and the 99% vote count for SCOAMF in Philly and Cleveland.

We'll never be able to overcome this EXCEPT with a safety margin of turnout that trumps fraud. And judging what happened last week, I am not optimistic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:21 AM (XkWWK)

65 What are you talking about?

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:21 AM (YdQQY)

66 62 Vic,

There are democrats who told Reid to go f*** himself on the filibuster.

Obama is not gonna get everything he wants, and likely not a lot of what he wants without going on ahead and misusing the Executive Order.

That misuse will bring moral clarity.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:22 AM (LRFds)

67 Putting aside the election last week, if there was shenanigans and fraud, proved or not proved, it worked and the leftists will triple down on it come the mid-terms.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:22 AM (XkWWK)

68 I'd rather have Rice as SoS, than John Fuckin Kerry as SoD.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:23 AM (9ScGj)

69 Non-book Daily Deal

All three Alien movie Blu-Ray package for $25

http://is.gd/QXitNN

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:24 AM (YdQQY)

70 65 Vic,

Any Constitutional Convention or secession is not gonna work this year. Things are not being pursued seriously and I don't think politicians in those states grasp how many people are willing to start over. I have not made up my mind yet but I do know my vote means a lot more in my state than it seems to at the Federal level.

Mick E Mouse and Doo Dad Pro leveraged me in Ohio on the Presidential election.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:24 AM (LRFds)

71 Rice and Kerry?

SCOAMF could nominate Bradley Manning and Julian Assange, and throw in Mumia Abu Jamal for AG for good measure - and get them all confirmed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:25 AM (XkWWK)

72 Forget about having too many, hence the high unemployed out of school given supply/demand (no) "need" for more. Make them cheaper by the dozen. That will do the trick. Law study, undergrad degree. Keep those professors employed is the translation.

http://tinyurl.com/aotm8xg

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 14, 2012 07:25 AM (BAnPT)

73 Here's an interesting piece from al-AP....

Some Dems: drive over 'fiscal cliff,' then bargain
http://t.co/AdmASdV6

Anything to hold the power in our new totalitarian collective.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 14, 2012 07:25 AM (hO8IJ)

74 67 JJ Sefton,

Maybe then again they are lazy. Whoever the LA GOP puts up against Mary Landrieu will not lack for funds if I have any say.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:25 AM (LRFds)

75 There are democrats who told Reid to go f*** himself on the filibuster.


Yeah I posted on that yesterday. "Sources" revealed he can not get 51 votes. Also note that after the session officially starts and the rules are in place it takes 60 votes to change them.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:25 AM (YdQQY)

76 *Yawn* OK, what the fuck is going on here?

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 07:25 AM (6H6FZ)

77 Any Constitutional Convention or secession is not gonna work this year.


People will have to start bugging the governors and legislators.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:26 AM (YdQQY)

78 FBI Investigations...

And the reason G.W.Bush crocked up the DHS was to insure complete communications between the CIA and FBI.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 14, 2012 07:27 AM (BAnPT)

79 43 Josef K,

Yup....burn it all.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:27 AM (LRFds)

80 Vic, if they replaced Alien 3 with Alien Resurrection I'd jump on that deal, but Alien 3 sucked ass.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:27 AM (9ScGj)

81 77 Vic,

Exactly and there simply is not enough time to convince them it is not just a bunch of nuts.

I got another good nights sleep that is two in a row, if I can make it 5 I am gonna start thinking.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:28 AM (LRFds)

82 Well, if you liked the first 2 its still a "fair" deal. I didn't like any of the alien movies.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:29 AM (YdQQY)

83 Well, well, well. Just saw this at The Blaze -- as it appeared in Daily Kos:

The fact that socialite Jill Kelley’s maiden name is Khawam and that she was born in Lebanon to Maronite Christian parents should raise eyebrows a bit. (Note that the Maronite Christians were allies of Israel in the Lebanese Civil War/Lebanon invasion.) The fact that she and her husband were willing to go into debt to throw lavish parties for high level officers who are involved in the Middle East should make even the most resolute anti-CTers among us pause. The further fact that she is identified as an unofficial liaison between top American Generals and unspecified Middle Eastern contacts, well…​[Emphasis added]

Posted by: RushBabe, up for SMOD or LIB, whichever comes first at November 14, 2012 07:29 AM (tQHzJ)

84 68 I'd rather have Rice as SoS, than John Fuckin Kerry as SoD.
Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:23 AM (9ScGj)


Yep, rice gets angry she'll start bobbion her head doin the angry black woman thing. That scares most men, especially white ones. John Kerry's metrosexual ass would say, Yes Dear, right away dear.

Good mornin rons.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 14, 2012 07:29 AM (3Y7RV)

85 74 67 JJ Sefton,

Maybe then again they are lazy. Whoever the LA GOP puts up against Mary Landrieu will not lack for funds if I have any say.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:25 AM (LRFds)

I'll bet you 2000000 dollars Landrieu will win.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 14, 2012 07:29 AM (EoQ9s)

86 The thing is, and this needs to be said over and over and over, Generals are politicians first and foremost. This is Obama's purge of the Generals put there by Bush. He'll have his own set of loyals ready and waiting to take their place.

Ann Barnhardt is thinking along the same lines with her "Night of Long Knives" parts I II posts. http://barnhardt.biz/

Posted by: RushBabe, up for SMOD or LIB, whichever comes first at November 14, 2012 07:30 AM (tQHzJ)

87 Saw the NC Petition to secede has passed the 25,000 mark. Fun to imagine........

Posted by: jj at November 14, 2012 07:30 AM (gWO5X)

88 Good morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes, and thanks for the news, Gabe and Vic. Since Turner Classic Movies is showing The Maltese Falcon and The Big Sleep tonight, I thought I’d talk about Humphrey Bogart today.

Bogie (incidentally, he didn’t like the nickname) treated acting much as his drinking buddy Spencer Tracy did – not something a real man ought to be doing. This underlying contempt for his work contributed to his natural tendency to drink and a rather low self-esteem didn’t help his sobriety, especially towards the end of his life when he realized that Frank Sinatra – a founding member of Bogie’s Holmby Hills Rat Pack – was providing Lauren Bacall the physical satisfaction Bogart himself could not.

During the filming of Sabrina in 1954, Bogart was unhappy with the movie, not liking co-star Audrey Hepburn, hating the fact that he was not director Billy Wilder’s first choice for the role of Linus Larrabee and convinced he was totally wrong for the sort of comedy-romance film Sabrina was designed to be. To add to his anger, Hepburn and Holden embarked on a torrid affair, which for some reason made Bogie incredibly jealous, and he treated Hepburn horribly. "I wish Cary Grant, who was the first choice for Bogie's role, had accepted," Holden later recalled. "He was a pain in the ass and incredibly hostile." Wilder had lost relatives during the Holocaust, but Bogart called him "Kraut bastard" and "Nazi." In front of the cast, Bogart ridiculed Hepburn and did devastating impressions of her.
Director Vincent Sherman, who directed Bogie in Crime School (193, The Return of Doctor X (1939) and All Through the Night (1942), had this to say about him: "When I directed Bogie, I never knew if he'd show up beaten, stabbed or bloody. He was married to this vixen named Mayo Methot, and they were known as the Battling Bogarts.
'She showed up on the
Dr. X set one day looking for her man, rightly suspecting he was having an affair with the script girl. I was ahead of her. I sent Bogie to my studio office to fuck the girl, because the first place Methot looked was Bogie's dressing room.
'To get one up on Bogie, who thought he was so damn smart, I came up with an idea. Since she couldn't find her straying husband, I invited the bitch for a drink. Before the night ended, I screwed this hot-to-trot harridan and Bogie was none the wiser. He showed up the next day looking like the cat who swallowed the canary. But I was the one who got his whore. I went back to directing him in his cornball role in this hokey picture and no on was ever the wiser. What he didn't realize was that Mayo was getting as much on the side as he was."

And if you wonder whether all those passionate looks between Bogie and Bergman in Casablanca were just bits of acting, well Sherman can set you straight on that, too:
"Forget all those stupid biographies that claimed Bergman and Bogie didn't have an affair. He fucked her all during the making of Casablanca and fell madly in love with her. In spite of that saintly look, that cold Swede was hot-to-trot once you got her pants off. Alfred Hitchcock told me she'd do it with doorknobs."

Well, that was pretty mean, wasn’t it? So here’s a nicer story with Bogart, again during Casablanca:

Scenes for the movie were shot on a day-to-day basis, and there never was a complete shooting script until the final wrap. No one, not even director Michael Curtiz, knew whether Bergman would end up with Bogart or Paul Henreid. One morning, after reading a few pages of script that were fresh off the typewriter, Curtiz told Bogart, “You’ve got an easy day today. Go on that balcony, look down and to the right and nod. Then you can go home.”

“What am I nodding at?”
Bogart asked. “What’s my attitude?”

“Don’t ask so many questions,”
Curtiz snapped. “Get up there. Nod. Go home.”

So Bogie did. It wasn’t until he saw the movie at its premiere that he realized his nod was the trigger for the famous “Marseillaise” scene, where the Rick’s Café nightclub orchestra drowns out a table of Germans singing “Die Wacht am Rhein.”

Hope you all have a wonderful day.

*If you feel like starting the morning offas depressed as I am, Holden also includedLucille Ball, Susan Hayward, Grace Kelly, Dorothy Lamour, Shelley Winters, Capucine, Barbara Stanwyck and Jackie Kennedy within a long list ofbedtime playmates.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 07:32 AM (zF6Iw)

89 85 Mr. Pink,

I may take that bet depending on migration patterns.

I lived there if the roughnecks and rig workers are still stranded inland she's gone and she knows it.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:32 AM (LRFds)

90 We're not going to get a Con-Con. Besides, that sort of process takes forever. We need mobility and smart people with a knowledge of strategy and tactics to step up. We either see some leaders emerge or watch it go over the cliff and crash with the Dems driving. Then when the smoke clears maybe some better people will step up. Either way and any way it is up to each of us to do what we can. Putting aside the rancor for one another would be a start.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 07:33 AM (6H6FZ)

91 86 Ann Barnhardt is thinking along the same lines with her "Night of Long Knives" parts I II posts. http://barnhardt.biz/
Posted by: RushBabe, up for SMOD or LIB, whichever comes first at November 14, 2012 07:30 AM (tQHzJ

That's why Morsi purged the military in Egypt. True, the military there was the dominant political force, but here, the military could have been a potential obstacle to SCOAMF should coup conditions arise.

Which they are.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:33 AM (XkWWK)

92 Sorry for my ignorance R-babe but what is a CTer?

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 07:34 AM (GX2fm)

93 i have nothing nice to say

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 14, 2012 07:34 AM (Ho2rs)

94 New pic of Broadwell from last night in DC. Those fabulously toned arms are hidden under a turtleneck.

Posted by: NCKate at November 14, 2012 07:34 AM (MsQkt)

95 90 SurferDoc,

There's folk here who get the long game better than the DC GOP.

We'll get a CC but it will take 2 to 4 years and ruthless total drive if that is what is the best play.

Obama is trying to steal our mineral wealth.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:35 AM (LRFds)

96 Pubbie senators going to hold up Dear Reader's agenda? Really? Hahaha. They are uniformly spineless losers!

Pubbies gonna beat back voter fraud? Hahaha. Not the idea-free losers we have now. Nope. Not gonna happen. All this just dreaming.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:35 AM (H0HZQ)

97 Rushbabe, I knew she looked very ME! If Tom Clancy tried to put all this shit in a novel he wouldn't be able to publish anything more credible than a Penthouse Forum letter.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:35 AM (9ScGj)

98 93 PhoenixGirl,

well say it anyway if the moron nation says only nice things these threads are gonna be careworn quick.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:35 AM (LRFds)

99 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 07:32 AM (zF6Iw)


How much can we trust all this salacious gossip?

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:35 AM (YdQQY)

100 Get out of the economy.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at November 14, 2012 07:36 AM (J6l0/)

101 I know this is an unpopular view, but we don't need a new Constitution (and c'mon, the conventions would be run by pinkos who'd lard it up with rights to Free Shit and a racial caste system and shit). We just need to follow the one we actually have.

Although I am so down with repealing the 16th Amendment.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 14, 2012 07:36 AM (hO8IJ)

102 96 Popcvorn,

Hey genius I could give 3 fucks about holding up anything but treaties and the worst attacks on the bill of rights.

I want Ogabe to get what he wants to drive folk into my camp.

You hitched your wagon to an America hating communard.

Time to let his candle shine.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:37 AM (LRFds)

103 *If you feel like starting the morning offas depressed as I am, Holden also includedLucille Ball, Susan Hayward, Grace Kelly, Dorothy Lamour, Shelley Winters, Capucine, Barbara Stanwyck and Jackie Kennedy within a long list ofbedtime playmates.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 07:32 AM (zF6Iw)


I like William Holden. A LOT! (nudge-nudge, wink-wink)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:37 AM (XkWWK)

104 101 Ms Radish,

I don't want a new Constitution I want a new quorum.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:38 AM (LRFds)

105 Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 14, 2012 07:36 AM (hO8IJ)


as I said, in a CC each State gets only one vote. That cancels out all the commies in the West and NE.


there are more red States than blue.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:38 AM (YdQQY)

106 William Holden?

Never heard of him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:38 AM (XkWWK)

107 Do not feed the Avg Joe trolls.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:39 AM (YdQQY)

108 Generals get the hottest secretaries on base/post.

Word.

Posted by: General Amos T. Halftrack at November 14, 2012 07:39 AM (zF6Iw)

109 Sorry for my ignorance R-babe but what is a CTer?

I don't know. Any of the military 'rons know if it's a military-civilian designation?

As for a Constitutional Convention, Levin hints that he's working on something -- after mentioning the 30 Repub governors we have -- and Rush said yesterday that he has hope there is something tangible we can do about ZeroCare at the ground level.

Posted by: RushBabe, up for SMOD or LIB, whichever comes first at November 14, 2012 07:39 AM (tQHzJ)

110 Putting aside the election last week, if there was shenanigans and fraud, proved or not proved, it worked and the leftists will triple down on it come the mid-terms.
-----
All the more reason to shut it down now. Let the government shutdown be going on during the inauguration spectacular extraordinaire bonanza party, and by the time the midterms roll around it'll be out of memory, being replaced by the memory of all the kids being audited and or fined by the IRS for not buying health insurance.

Posted by: Whatev at November 14, 2012 07:40 AM (2t6Gz)

111 107 Vic,

Duly noted.

108 GN T Amos 1/2Track,

Well I gt confused when a general has a male secretary but "okay."

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:40 AM (LRFds)

112 93
i have nothing nice to say

Come sit by me and let it rip.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 07:40 AM (6H6FZ)

113 I can't get myself worked up over the petraeus affair thing.

I understand why it's important but I just can't get excited about it.

Hmmmm

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 14, 2012 07:41 AM (I2LwF)

114 If you feel like starting the morning offas depressed as I am, Holden
also includedLucille Ball, Susan Hayward, Grace Kelly, Dorothy Lamour,
Shelley Winters, Capucine, Barbara Stanwyck and Jackie Kennedy within a
long list ofbedtime playmates.


How the hell did any movies ever get made?

Posted by: Retread at November 14, 2012 07:41 AM (zxitI)

115 RE: CT-ers. My guess on reading was Conspiracy Theorists.

Posted by: Dish of Red at November 14, 2012 07:42 AM (Dmq63)

116 Lets hop over the fiscal cliff! As a small biz owner , I can determine how much taxes I pay. I say none!

Put this fat bitch on a diet!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 14, 2012 07:42 AM (HrXMU)

117 109 RushBabe,

We've fought it every way within the system we can. It alters irrevocably the nature of relationship between the government and the governed. Plenty of folk want off that train.

Hell collapse may be the best thing that can happen because in collapse you are freed up to concentrate in new geographical splits.

I need 3 more days of sleep.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:42 AM (LRFds)

118 113 Truman North,

Yup. I didn't hire him President Genius did. His bedtime bingo game is between him his wife and God last time I read the play....or is that just the Billy Jeff edition?

Not my lookout why did his boss go celebrate the murders in vegas?

THAT is my lookout.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:44 AM (LRFds)

119
How the hell did any movies ever get made?


Posted by: Retread at November 14, 2012 07:41 AM


That's only thirty minutes of sex for the average man in aggregate.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 14, 2012 07:44 AM (BAnPT)

120
"We'll get a CC but it will take 2 to 4 years and ruthless total drive if that is what is the best play."

If we had "ruthless total drive" we wouldn't need a Con-Con, we could beat Harry Reid like a gong or do a lot of other things that would help immediately. Unfortunately, we have old elitist fucks who agree to debates run by commies and who want to negotiate with the idiot in the WH who is about to shit all over himself.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 07:45 AM (6H6FZ)

121 as I said, in a CC each State gets only one vote. That cancels out all the commies in the West and NE.

You say that like all the states won't be sending their well-connected pinkos to the conventions instead of sending you. Get real.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 14, 2012 07:45 AM (hO8IJ)

122 How much can we trust all this salacious gossip?

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:35 AM (YdQQY)


A good question, Vic, and one that I can't answer with any huge degree of confidence. In the above Bogie stories, for example, the Holden / Hepburn affair and Holden's belt notches are true. As far as Bogie and Bergman having an affair, that is true. Sherman's reminiscences. . .perhaps. I try to make sure everything I say is backed up, but sometimes (especially when it comes to sex), there's really no way to make sure. Caveat emptor, as in everything else.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 07:46 AM (zF6Iw)

123 That's only thirty minutes of sex for the average man in aggregate.

But you're leaving out all the time for naps after, and all those sammiches.

Posted by: Retread at November 14, 2012 07:46 AM (zxitI)

124 I have a battalion of 5.56 inbound today....waiting on the brown van.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:46 AM (LRFds)

125 Actually the sex scandal is an incredible boon to those who want the truth to come out about Benghazi. The MSM simply refused to report on it before. Now they're all over it because of the sex angle. But it all leads back in a circle. The Obama administration used the scandal to intimidate the director of the CIA and prevent him from telling the truth about Benghazi.

Posted by: Cricket at November 14, 2012 07:47 AM (DrC22)

126 You say that like all the states won't be sending their well-connected
pinkos to the conventions instead of sending you. Get real.



There are no "well connected pinkos" in SC. I suspect that it would be that way in most red States.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:47 AM (YdQQY)

127 Hahaha. You know what? Part of the problem around here is people who can't read. First-person cohortative: what does it mean?

It means this: I've been around this site longer than almost everyone on this thread. But I don't talk much. However, today I am disgusted with the silliness. Facts:

1). Bunches of cons sat out this election despite its importance.

2). The Pubbie leadership feckless.

3). After 12 years we still have no effective plan to deal with the increasingly hostile media.

4). It's hard to conclude that much of anything works when it comes to convincing people of the Pubbie message.

And so on. So no, I'm not a troll. I'm sick of the Pubbie leadership and no longer I interested in fantasies.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:47 AM (6AbcC)

128 If all the blue states were clumped instead of on opposite coasts I think we would have split 10-15 years ago.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:48 AM (9ScGj)

129 121 Heather Radish,

I have more faith in Red States than that.

If not then you have option 2.

The US government is too big and powerful to trust in the hands of a retard.

The American people evidently love them some retard.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:48 AM (LRFds)

130 We just need to follow the one we actually have.


This. If we actually applied the laws on the books, and did some minor trimming to those books, we'd be in fine shape.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 14, 2012 07:48 AM (da5Wo)

131 There are no "well connected pinkos" in SC. I suspect that it would be that way in most red States.

I always thought you were smarter than that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 14, 2012 07:49 AM (hO8IJ)

132 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 07:49 AM (8y9MW)

133 128 icedog,

Yup.

I contend secession already happened either in 2001 or 1968.

We've just been kissing the corpse.

The Blue hate this nation and use our love for it to keep sinking the knife in.

They want a "perfected America" great the door's that way assholes I'm taking the history you shit on.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:49 AM (LRFds)

134 124

I have to go out to my shop and find all the boxes off .223 and take stock. I'm guessing 250-285. I have loads of 9mm and .45. I do not buy on the grid, guns shows only.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 07:50 AM (6H6FZ)

135 I always thought you were smarter than that.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at November 14, 2012 07:49 AM (hO8IJ)

By "well connected" I assumed you meant had the ability to get appointed to the CC by a Republican dominated legislature and governor.

And yes, I know that "pinkos" would not make it here.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:50 AM (YdQQY)

136 Generals get the hottest secretaries on base/post. Word.
Posted by: General Amos T. Halftrack at November 14, 2012 07:39 AM (zF6Iw)


Whaddya mean a male secretary? Who the H was Miss Buxley then?

Posted by: RushBabe, up for SMOD or LIB, whichever comes first at November 14, 2012 07:50 AM (tQHzJ)

137 130 BC1981,

We've tried that that was the whole point of the Reagan revolution.

No I no longer have faith in the blue maintaining anything resembling America.

I want them off the coaster or I want off the coaster I think.

Gonna rest a bit more.

I sleep better now, no nightmares about my grandson being a commie.

Let the glorious comrade future belong to the blue.

Quit fighting 'em and find like minded folk and leave I suspect.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:51 AM (LRFds)

138 I have to go out to my shop and find all the boxes off .223 and take stock. I'm guessing 250-285. I have loads of 9mm and .45. I do not buy on the grid, guns shows only. Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 07:50 AM (6H6FZ)

I think at some point, you've acquired enough ammunition.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at November 14, 2012 07:52 AM (sbV1u)

139 We'll never be able to overcome this EXCEPT with a
safety margin of turnout that trumps fraud. And judging what happened
last week, I am not optimistic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 07:21 AM


We could actually enforce the laws against vote fraud, JJ, but I suspect the Republican Elites and their mouthpieces in the so-called conservative media would find that simply too difficult a task. It would cut into their blogging time, maybe.

I'm not saying it would be easy. But there is a chance that uncovering enough of the kind of fraud Choom Boy's co-defendants engaged in would eventually resonate with some of the average no-information voters.

Thanks to computerized voting and a large team of thugs around the country, the America-hating fuckwits will always be able to wipe out more votes than conservatives can come up with. Unless, that is, we dress some of the major perps in orange jumpsuits.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 14, 2012 07:52 AM (yKUrR)

140 134 Surfer Doc,

Yeah this is only my 2d time.

I figure with my donations I am already on the list bud.

Wish I had been paranoid enough.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:52 AM (LRFds)

141 Sven, I'm just trying to picture what the countries would look like - geographically. ....or do we do some swaps, ala Monopoly style?

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:53 AM (9ScGj)

142
TX petition to secede is up to 76,000 now. Rick Perry weighs in….no, its
not going to happen. Sorry TX Morons. Sorry for the rest of us who
would immediately move there is they did.


Yeah, me, too.

Actually, I still think it could happen, but popular sentiment needs to move that way. Right now, we're at somewhere over 80,000 signatures. In a state with (IIRC) approximately 24,000,000 legal residents (which, obviously, doesn't count the illegals, but they don't count anyway). That's simply not enough support.

On the other hand, I think things will move that way pretty quickly once ObamaCare kicks in. Even more so if people start realizing we're already paying to bail out California.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 07:55 AM (8y9MW)

143 Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 14, 2012 07:52 AM (yKUrR)


I repeat, the problem with vote fraud is that the majority of it occurs in blue States in heavy blue minority controlled urban areas. The people responsible for finding it and prosecuting it are the ones doing it.


There is very little a Republican can do. But vote fraud did not cost us this election. The election still goes by State, not popular vote. We would not have won these blue States anyway and the amount of fraud is usually very low.


However, that only applies to Presidential elections. It makes a big difference for State elections like Senator Al Fruckin.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:56 AM (YdQQY)

144 Ah HAH!!!

A Liberal Squirrel Flasher DENIER!!!111!!!!

Your refusal to see the obvious before your face is disappointing Gabe.

It's obvious they didn't MANUFACTURE this distraction but it is obvious they're liking the shit out of the result. (and tell me you don't see the timing of the scandal as . . . propitious?)

But I see your point. And also those who are angry at the distraction. (I for one don't believe it was manufactured. That's just silly. I believe they waited to use it for their own political purposes and would've originally held back on it to keep from being the butt of jokes for hiring the guy and not saying anything sooner)

Anyway it's not the bolt shot, it's the target hit and they've definitely managed to submerge any talk of Benghazi for now.

Posted by: AshKente at November 14, 2012 07:56 AM (SP4jC)

145 141 Icedog,

I dunno.

I suspect that if things crashed enough and those of us who don;t fall completely on our face sponsored enough moves we could concentrate the splits.

I know that states with high pockets of "dirty evil non unicorn" concentrated energy mineral resources will leave in a heartbeat compared to rust belt states dominated by UAW.

I really don't know what can be done, but I may aim to find out.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:56 AM (LRFds)

146 140 Sven I got paranoid after Bush-Gore when the fuckers almost stole it. I have been taking small steps toward preparation for likely scenarios ever since. I to assess and plan. If I actually thought anyone was interested I would write about it.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 07:57 AM (6H6FZ)

147 If you're on a thread, and you are declaring yourself to be "not a troll," and nobody else is backing you up, you're a troll.

It's one of the hard rules of the internet (I read that somewhere on the internet).

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 07:57 AM (BeSEI)

148 I thought Dorothy Lamour was supposed to be a good girl. Disappointing if true.

Is Holden still alive? I'm not afraid to cock punch a senior citizen.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 14, 2012 07:57 AM (JDIKC)

149
FBI Investigations...

And who is investigating the FBI Director Mueller (2001 appt. by GW) for illegal procedures?

Finally, when the top dogs are eating each other, imagine what they'll do to us.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 14, 2012 07:57 AM (BAnPT)

150 142 Allen G,

Like I said two days ago before I passed out I just don't see it working this time.

If we have to refugee in texas to flip it we all move to texas as we fall.

If we have Texas pretty much then we hit louisiana and or Oklahoma......

time to vote with our feet I'd wager.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 07:58 AM (LRFds)

151 148 -

After all that tail? Of course he's not alive.

Died young, died happy (more or less).

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 07:58 AM (BeSEI)

152 It's one of the hard rules of the internet (I read that somewhere on the internet).


Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 07:57 AM (BeSEI)

I'm sure there was a high level of "concern".

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:58 AM (YdQQY)

153 Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2012 07:57 AM (BeSEI)

Like the girl you just met assuring you she's not a slut?

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 07:59 AM (9ScGj)

154 30 minutes in aggregate? Are you kidding me? I mean, I realize I'm a hopeless romantic, but I would have spent that much time just looking into Capucine's eyes. Especially in her North to Alaska days.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 08:00 AM (JCIjD)

155 `146 SurferDoc,

That is when secession happened for the Blue BTW.

Yeah I dunno, it all depends on how pervasive, invasive, and memory capable the feds and NSA are.

I took steps to make reverse engineering me from this web handle not easy but not too hard.

A dilligent driven person could figure out my identity in about 45 minutes from things.

I screwed up and did not take the Blue seriously about their love for me.

I get it now and trust me blue this red reciprocates.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:01 AM (LRFds)

156 Being a Texan, I'm hard wired to hate Okies, but you don't have to worry about their loyalty. Those bastards think Mike Savage is too moderate.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:02 AM (9ScGj)

157

as you explained on Twitter??

hahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: soothsayer at November 14, 2012 08:03 AM (JBQXf)

158 If we have to refugee in texas to flip it we all move to texas as we fall.

Well, yes. There are a couple hundred thousand secessionists across the country. If they all moved to Texas, we could force the issue.

That has its own down-sides, though.

My biggest problem is that it is very hard to be sure how sane secessionists are. You need to want to seceded for the right reasons. Because you're upset about the election is not, itself, enough. The weirdo "Republic of Texas" folks who've been kicking around since at least the late 80s are kooks, too (well, most of them).

On the other hand, if the election is simply the straw that broke the camel's back, I might agree with you. If you think the US has already abandoned the Constitution and you want to restore something that resembles that original document, I probably agree with you.

Also, if you think we can "lock down the border" of Texas when we attempt to secede, you're insane. I'll gladly use you as canon fodder, but I don't actually want you on my team. (Yes, I head this viewpoint today. I think it was satire to make the secession movement look as bad as possible, but I'm not sure).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:03 AM (8y9MW)

159 156 Icedog,

I think "Texan" is about to take on a much broader meaning that "born here and east on NM south of OK etc etc etc.....

Heh.

I trust Texans and Okies more than Michiganders and New Yawkuhs.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:04 AM (LRFds)

160 Vic, the pinkos always get appointed to these things, even in SC. If the average representative of the people was as conservative or more conservative than the people he represents, we wouldn't be in this clusterfuck.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 14, 2012 08:05 AM (I2LwF)

161 My biggest problem is that it is very hard to be sure how sane secessionists are Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:03 AM (8y9MW)

THIS.

And frankly, that's the problem.

I'm sympathetic, but trading one set of delusional nuts for another isn't exactly progress.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 14, 2012 08:05 AM (sbV1u)

162 155 Better late than not at all. There are way too manyindividuals to track all of us ranters so only the higher profile big mouths will get much attention. Read some paranoid literature and figure out your own strategy. Don't join any groups that will move you to the head of somebody's list.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 08:05 AM (6H6FZ)

163 Texas leaving the union?

I did not sign the petition, but would catch a plane back for that to be the first one slinging lead!

How about we have 2 counties? The right and left coasts...and every thing in between is ours!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 14, 2012 08:06 AM (HrXMU)

164 I think "Texan" is about to take on a much broader meaning that "born here and east on NM south of OK etc etc etc.....

However it started, the relationship between Texans and Okies has taken on the nature of a friendly sibling rivalry. We love making fun of each other, but we trust each other more than we trust anyone else.

With the possible exception of East Texans trusting Louisianans more than Okies (they're closer together, after all).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:06 AM (8y9MW)

165 Don't like that unpleasant truth, do you? Hahaha. Gabe told you before it happened. And now? Now you spin fantasies about Pubbiies growing brains and spines. Hahaha. Until we hold their jobs, reputations, and perks hostage, gentlemen and ladies, nothing will happen and you can get used to saying "Gabe was right."

Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 08:08 AM (2tpzp)

166 158 Allen G,

I'll put it to you this way because I am not sure how I feel about it really.

My dad is a trucker. My dad likes to drink. when I was a lad and he'd get me for visitation on occasion he'd drink while he drove. I tolerated it for the most part because I trusted that he was a hell of a driver for the most part and besides "what can you do?'

I never thought dad was drinking and driving with the intent of killing me.

I'm not so sure the Blue are not an army of Ted Kennedy drivers.

I am certain Charles Schumer does not give three fucks about the Bill of rights.

I did not leave the US government the US government may have left me a long long time ago.

My view on the proper role of federal "help" is "leave me be."

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:08 AM (LRFds)

167 You guys are thinking like libs....everyone doesn't just get citizenship to our new country. Some simply Constitutional, basic understanding of economics, and basic knowledge tests would be in order. ....and some firing quals could also be arranged.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:09 AM (9ScGj)

168 164 Allen G,

from an outsider's perspective that once graced with the companionship time felt Texans were at worst my spiritual cousins, never forget you're 3 to 5 states dude.

The other thing is Allen Texas cannot secure all of Texas soil, but Texas is large enough it is a lot like Russia.

defense in depth and iron pockets.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:10 AM (LRFds)

169 Soldiers from states all over the country fought and died at the Alamo. Including New York and Rhode Island.

Texas is a state of mind.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 14, 2012 08:11 AM (I2LwF)

170 167 Icedog,

Maybe. Like i said I am not sure where I stand yet but i am sure I am done pretending that Schumer et al want anything like what I want.

This union was broken at one of two points and I am done letting my stubborness dictate I pretend this marriage can be saved.

They want to go Social democrat at best and Commie Smiley at worst fine.

I will either split or walk away.

I ain't going down their rabbit hole.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:11 AM (LRFds)

171 I thought Dorothy Lamour was supposed to be a good girl. Disappointing if true.

Lamour was a good girl, at least by Hollywood standards. I suspect her affair with Holden was during the filming of 1942's The Fleet's In, when she was between husband 1, Herbie Kay (from 1935-39) and husband 2, Bill Howard (1943-7.
Is Holden still alive?

Sadly, no. Holden died in 1981, after slipping on a rug and cracking his headagainst a bedside table.

I'm not afraid to cock punch a senior citizen.

You'll have to go through Ronald Reagan, first. Holden was the Gipper's best man when he married Nancy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 08:12 AM (zF6Iw)

172 169 truman north,

Amen.

Ohio sent two cannon from Cincy funded by like minded citizens.

Time to decide what is what.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:12 AM (LRFds)

173 I think this secession talk is like saving money up to buy a racehorse. Not a high probability effort. Any successful plan has to resemble the long march through the institutions that our enemies took. That one works. We need to own education and media. Oh, and no more fucking RINOs--oppose them at every level.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 08:13 AM (6H6FZ)

174 Well, I just found out (because I hadn't bothered to check) that a former boss of mine was elected to Congress. Considering that he is an arrogant, nasty, petty man who considered his employees to be his personal servants, he'll fit right in.


Random thought of the morning: let's say that Ohio flips to Romney after all the votes are counted. Will the Right stop saying that Ohio was stolen and will the Left then take up that argument? I am interested in this merely for the LIB lulz.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 14, 2012 08:13 AM (VtjlW)

175 171 mary poppins,

Yeah Holden was just from a different era.

he was a CIA asset, and good folk even if a cad by modern standards.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:13 AM (LRFds)

176 I'm glad this Popcorn character swaggered in here with his balls clanging together, ready to lead us onto the True Path.

God knows this place is full of fucking RINOs and we've been waiting for a charismatic and dynamic leader like him to come along and point out how much smarter he is than all of us. I think once we internalize his intellectual and political superiority, we'll be better prepared for the next election cycle.

On the other hand, he could just be an annoying asshole that needs to face-fuck a speeding Peterbilt. I really just can't tell.

Anyone have any ideas?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 14, 2012 08:14 AM (JDIKC)

177 Well after it got kinda' dirty here in the primaries I went to more lurker then commenter mode. Started my own blog which I got rid of because I figured it just wasn't in the cards for me. So i'll be trying to comment on here more. Oh and if anyone from acebook sees this, I'm quitting facebook. Nothing against you guys, I love yah', but I find I have much more productivity without an account on there or twitter. btw for those who have joined this past year and barely know/don't know me, I was the one doing the Senate Calls for the AOSHQDD.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 08:15 AM (yAor6)

178 Fuck. I don't know why I keep getting that stupid smiley. Need another cup of tea. bbs.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 08:15 AM (zF6Iw)

179 174 AtC,

They'll riot in Cleveland and that is why I quit the state.

Our "democracy" has proven the Founders' wisom in setting up the Senate as the state's rep not the people's.

They are not wanting to "fix us" in any sense other than how i fix a dog to not have puppies.

The DC crowd is wanting to crowd out Americans who love liberty with a flooded population of Mexicans.

I quit.

The GOP leadership in DC will either get the message or no.

I've seen this movie in the UK when Tony Blair brazenly voted a new electorate when the electorate was voting against him.

No time to adjust your goals IMHO.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:16 AM (LRFds)

180 My view on the proper role of federal "help" is "leave me be."

Yeah, I agree with you. I'm on the fence about secession, but I'm on the fence from a practical standpoint. I've probably thought about it more than is healthy for me, and there are all kinds of practical concerns that many people forget about.

Most of those go away if the Texas Legislature says, "We want to withdraw" and the Federal Government says, "OK." Then it's just a matter of negotiation and treaties.

If shots are fired, though, things get very sticky very quickly. Not just because of the violence itself, but there are commercial concerns as well.

Consider this: Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter, and a variety of other defense contractors have facilities in Texas. But what is the likelihood they could keep their US defense contracts (which, in the short term, would probably be more lucrative than contracts with Texas) if they also supplied arms to Texas? And if they then chose to shut down those plants and move operations out of the State, what would Texas do? Nationalize those plants? Force the workers to continue building?

Banks. Now, Texas has a high number of "State Banks" but even those are tied very tightly to the National Government. Given they expressly cannot operate outside the State of Texas, that should be Unconstitutional, but that cow is already out of the barn. Banks LIVE off money from the Fed. They routinely take loans from the Fed, and they rarely carry enough currency (which probably wouldn't be useful in Texas anyway) to last more than a few days.

I could go on, but you begin to see the problems, I think. Now, there are solutions to these problems, but the very nature of those solutions requires that you not broadcast that you're pursuing them, which makes it very hard for supporters of the movement to know they're being done.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:16 AM (8y9MW)

181 A Vaj Too Far

Posted by: logprof thinks of these way too late at November 14, 2012 08:17 AM (jKE+Z)

182 177 ALM,

Arthur you were missed.

I nuked my experiment in twitter.

Time to get to work.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:17 AM (LRFds)

183 In Jan I'll get my available assignments list for my final Air Force assignment, I'm praying Texas is on there (San Antonio preferably). I could retire and move again, but I'm seriously getting tired of moving....

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:18 AM (9ScGj)

184 @182 yeah I was almost use-less at work the closer the election got. As much as I hated the results, there is a part of me that enjoys having my life back. Much more productivity and much more freedom to think about other things. Granted with this idiot still in office for 4 more years, we should always keep our ears up on what the White House is up to.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 08:19 AM (yAor6)

185


If the taker-classeconomic illiterate 47%ers get their way - say
goodbye to any recovery and say hello to depression and high unemployment.



Posted by: SUSAN RICE at November 14, 2012 08:19 AM (O7ksG)

186 oops

Posted by: Fresh at November 14, 2012 08:19 AM (O7ksG)

187 180 Allen G,

Yup.

All valid concerns. Essentially what has to happen is we have to start deciding how serious we are and I am not the guy to be a big wheel in anything for a slew of reasons. Texas with enough allied states in a new federation has enough economic power to say "we are serious and we will make it stick" and maybe snipe off some businesses that are pissed at EPA and the Happiness KGB in DC.

I know that if Mike Bloomberg is a future PotUS I am not a future happy American.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:20 AM (LRFds)

188 I went Galt in Nov. 2010, at age 43. Total taxes paid for last full year of working (2009): >$150,000. Total taxes paid for first full year of doing whatever the heck I want each day: $1,400. Suck it, libs. I hope you starve to death. I most certainly won't.

Posted by: ex-esq. at November 14, 2012 08:20 AM (x9s9/)

189
A
B
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We the people are fucked. obama's debt pile is too high to climb.

Posted by: Fresh at November 14, 2012 08:20 AM (O7ksG)

190 185 Susan Rice,

That 47% number is way too high and way too bandied about.

Some portion of them are victims of the democrat idiocy on economics crushing their drive.

No minimum wage or at least no dream as reality too high minimum wage in a non debt laden invasive economy would be better than what we have now.

I was part of the 47% when young, I am not now.

Let people grow.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:21 AM (LRFds)

191 In Jan I'll get my available assignments list for my final Air Force
assignment, I'm praying Texas is on there (San Antonio preferably)


They always need help at Dyess. Of course once you get there, you'll never be able to leave...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:22 AM (8y9MW)

192 @188 sounds like what me and my girlfriend of 3 years are planning. We won't even marry or have kids until O is out of the WH. After the holidays we'll be spending money on barely anything. We're also staying away from any Govt assistance. There a big crap storm coming and I'll be on the sidelines laughing as the leftists are the ones hurt most by it

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 08:22 AM (yAor6)

193 OT

Firearm morons, what say you about the HK M556? I am eyeballing this one as a pickup this weekend.

Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 08:23 AM (GQ8sn)

194 Jeff, that was beautiful! I think I love you man (insert mandatory 'no homo' here)

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:23 AM (9ScGj)

195 188 ex-esq,

Yeah and I went Galt in 2001 for the most part at age 29.

I have not been a full time pro in my field for over a decade now.

I can't help but wonder if 'going Galt" while not ignoble is not hurting my grandkids yet to be if the bastards have more will to be bastards than i do to pretend to be a lazy uncaring uninvolved asshole?

No offense meant.

It is why I am pondering the big picture as I get more sleep.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:23 AM (LRFds)

196 Firearm morons, what say you about the HK M556? I am eyeballing this one as a pickup this weekend.
Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 08:23 AM (GQ8sn)

Geeze you're indecisive :-P

Can't go wrong with HK obviously. How much are you thinking about spending on it?

Posted by: RWC at November 14, 2012 08:24 AM (fWAjv)

197 193 EC,

Anything HK is quality. The issue comes back to parts. Is the performance gain worth the potential hassle of parts down the road if Schumer gets his way?


Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:24 AM (LRFds)

198
8 - 9 have same link.

oh look - Obama wants to tax rape us .

http://tinyurl.com/d2psxav

Posted by: Fresh at November 14, 2012 08:25 AM (O7ksG)

199 Vic, the pinkos always get appointed to these things, even in SC.


Obama lost SC by a wider margin this year than he did in 2008 and our turnout was good. I have seen no "pinkos" appointed to high positions here.


We have some in the legislature but they are a minority in more ways than one.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 08:25 AM (YdQQY)

200 183 Icedog,

Right there with you bud.

Ponder Barksdale, or Holloman if need be.

I think we're either gonna shelter in place and wait for the ax here or try to get back down to Polk ideally.

I should not have told the wife I was okay with leaving and ate the cost of the trips from Louisiana to Carolina.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:27 AM (LRFds)

201
Paul Krguman's arm is up Obama's ass.
from Investors...
"If President Obama wants to get a deficit deal done to avoid the fiscal cliff, his biggest challenge won’t be Republicans, but his own hard-core left-wing supporters.
Two days after the election, Obama’s favorite economist, Paul Krugman, set the tone for the intransigent left in a column titled: “Let’s not make a deal.” Boiled down, his advice to Obama was this: Don’t give in to any Republican demands, even if doing so would “inflict damage on a still-shaky economy.” After all, Obama would be better positioned to “weather any blowback from economic troubles.”
Krugman’s advice may be disturbingly cold and calculating, but he has plenty of company on the left.
Robert Kuttner, co-founder of the liberal American Prospect magazine, suggests Obama should just sit it out, let all the Bush tax cuts expire, the automatic spending cuts kick in and expect public pressure to force Republicans to give in entirely.
The left-wing Daily Kos called any kind of “grand bargain” between Obama and the GOP a “Great Betrayal.”
And several Democratic lawmakers have suggested that the correct approach would be to let the country go over the fiscal cliff, since that will only strengthen Obama’s position."

Posted by: Fresh at November 14, 2012 08:27 AM (O7ksG)

202 Ah EoJ, always brightening my mornings.



AtC! What are you doing here? Shouldn't you be resting up? How are you feeling?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 14, 2012 08:28 AM (da5Wo)

203 "Obama lost SC by a wider margin this year than he did in 2008"

O lost support in all but 3 states from his 08 margins if I remember the data correctly. He also lost support among all demographics compared to 08 except for Hispanics. Almost everywhere his support was at a net minus. Unfortunately the GOP didn't turnout nationally and we lost a close election.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 08:28 AM (yAor6)

204 Allen, spent almost 3 years at Sheppard AFB, and drove by Dyess once in 1992. Has it built up any since then...do you guys at least have a Whataburger yet )

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:28 AM (9ScGj)

205
Paul Krugman gives a fuck about the economy: Obama say " Yes master!"

Paul Krugman, set the tone for the intransigent left in a column titled: “Let’s not make a deal.” Boiled down, his advice to Obama was this: Don’t give in to any Republican demands, even if doing so would “inflict damage on a still-shaky economy.

Posted by: Fresh at November 14, 2012 08:28 AM (O7ksG)

206 Secession will just concentrate us all in one place, and SCOAMF will just start bombing and strafing us.

True we'd have all the guns, but the eventual result would be same.

Unless we can take the Air Force with us...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 08:28 AM (XkWWK)

207 Popcorn; that depends on whether not voting for Romney turns out to have been a smart move or not. Something which will take time to tell. It seems to not be good now, but who knows?

Maybe having Obama as President with all THAT baggage will actually be better for the party and for conservatives than having a so called conservative in office trying to stabilize the economy but who fails?

Quien sabe?

Me I know I considered seriously for a while whether I could vote for someone who I knew didn't believe half of what he tried to make it seem like he did. What finally got me though was the SCOTUS appointments. Even as bad as he could do with them, his choices would more likely be a little better than those of Choomboy.

Well we're living in interesting times.

Buy water, food, ammo and weapons, we're in for a bumpy ride.

Posted by: AshKente at November 14, 2012 08:28 AM (SP4jC)

208 If someone can make the smart argument for secession, rather than the 'f*ck Obama and all Leftards' argument for it, then it'll start gaining traction.

And even then...secession is not a quick fix. It will require a lot of hard work, personal sacrifice and a generation or two before things are 'normalized.'

Posted by: El Kabong at November 14, 2012 08:29 AM (Kxr/e)

209 176 Empire of Jeff,

Stick with folk you know and have a grill cover for your rig?

Hahahaha.

Good to see you jeff.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:29 AM (LRFds)

210 <<<I am interested in this merely for the LIB lulz.

I enjoy a little fantasy, and reading through the Wiki on the Electoral
College I'm finding all sorts of interesting scenarios. Did ya know that
in the event of a tie the House votes for the President and the Senate
votes for the Vice-President?

Set your coffee cup down before reading further...

Romney/Biden


Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 14, 2012 08:30 AM (feFL6)

211 Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 07:56 AM

Vic, you and I will have to disagree. Despite your curmudgeonliness, I suspect you have a more positive view of humanity -- even Democrat humanity -- than I do. You seem to think there are certain levels of morality and decency below which even Choom Boy and his co-conspirators won't go. I don't. I think they are just getting started.

Don't know which will come first: the CC Vic advocates or large numbers of citizens re-reading the Declaration of Independence and choosing its remedies for tyranny.

I was going to sign the secession petition, too. But then I wised up and realized I'd be leaving more of a trail for Osama Obama's goons to follow. Painting a bigger target on oneself is never a bright idea.

Besides, Texas would need to take (at least) Oklahoma and Loosiana with it. Otherwise, Texans would have no place to gamble.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 14, 2012 08:31 AM (yKUrR)

212 Sven, Barksdale maybe, but Holloman is a no go....my #1 criteria in choosing is it must be a red state. They all treat their retired vets much better!

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:33 AM (9ScGj)

213 To put a smile on your face (because it sucks feeling shitty when someone like this has a much more positive outlook.)


She is unarmed, but armed...(hey, she made the joke first)

http://tinyurl.com/b7lrm4h

Posted by: RWC at November 14, 2012 08:34 AM (fWAjv)

214 208 El Kabong,

I know it ain;t a lightswitch and I am not even sure I want it.

1) they do not want what we do and will not honor our Constitution, I am not sure enough of the Blue/Purple states give a fuck about the Bill of rights to trust in the demcorats fearing violating them politically.

2) The left has decided to use the extralegal regulatory fiat regimes Nixon put in place to wage economic war for specious gains in their borderline religion's service. This game of theirs is increasing the number of indentured poor in this nation turning the red purple from fear.

3) they want to import voters from foeign lands with NO love of our system to wreck our system once and for all.

In the end at best if we do not ponder break up we have at least as arduous a task in trying to educate and flip the illegals who are gifted a citizenship my ancestors had to jump through hoops for on mom's side and will be fighting Santa Claus while Santa is handing out gifts.

Do the math and study the terrain I am not yelling at anyone to follow me to "winning!"

I'm saying I got maybe 18 hours sleep in 7 days and on the 7th day it snapped and I said "wait a second were we a nation when they were undermining Bush in 2001 as a tantrum?"

EK they seceded in a lot of ways back in 2001 or 1968, but they do not view us as 'worthy adversary and fellow friend" we are their blood enemy.

They hate us and will spend decades punishing us and scourging our beliefs from the Earth if that is what it takes for their dream land of unicorn windmill farms and the United States as just another country that is a theme park for the rest of the world's command economies.

I am pretty sure I want off this train.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:36 AM (LRFds)

215 212 Icedog,

See I have an advantage then wife and I have made up our minds that we are going to either Louisiana or texas regardless of final base....assuming god willing we get to get to retirement.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:37 AM (LRFds)

216 Love the gnashing of teeth libs commenting at Twitchy over secession. "Deport them!"

Uh, yeah, that's the point.

Posted by: Whatev at November 14, 2012 08:37 AM (2t6Gz)

217
In the not-so-distant future, the intelligent/creative/hard-working willbe fine, but the parasitic moochers will not be doing so well as their Government-provided table scraps shrink and then disappear. I am not in the least concerned.

Posted by: ex-esq. at November 14, 2012 08:38 AM (x9s9/)

218 I keep reading Texas and Oklahoma or Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana re secession. Is it going to be Bloody Kansas again?
I hear Perry and Brownback are close.
On the other hand, Brownback spent a good bit of time in the Senate and never "shouted from the rooftops" about all the insider corruption in DC.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 08:39 AM (/tk/V)

219 206 JJ Sefton,

JJ he'll kill us if we stay just slower.

If AZ comes with us we can cobble together aircraft from the boneyard.

No I have no illusions who a democrat views as 'the real enemy" and it ain;t any foreigner.

There's no easy answer but we are about to lose "run hellbent for leather as far towards that horizon as you can child" as the gift being an American brings....

I'll fight hard and suffer hard for that gift.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:40 AM (LRFds)

220 Sven, I may end up doing the same thing, but it would be so nice to make the complete transition to the civilian world by just changing clothes one day.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:41 AM (9ScGj)

221 218 Ingognito,

I've traveled the coast enough to know that from a purely strategic view TX, LA, OK, and MS have every reason to leave the union and fewer reasons to stay every week this asshole tries to destroy their oil business.

I can't force them to see the writing on the wall.

In the case of Texas I probably don't have to.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:42 AM (LRFds)

222 She is unarmed, but armed...(hey, she made the joke first)



http://tinyurl.com/b7lrm4h



Posted by: RWC at November 14, 2012 08:34 AM (fWAjv)


I got that beat.


http://tinyurl.com/bkbd7js

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 14, 2012 08:42 AM (da5Wo)

223 Meanwhile, in Disgustingland,

http://tinyurl.com/b9golp3

Posted by: Tonestaple at November 14, 2012 08:42 AM (gvVlx)

224 I don't understand the photoshop at the top of the sidebar. Help?

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 14, 2012 08:43 AM (I2LwF)

225 I would like to make a motion to amend the AOS style book; my motion is that, from now on (in keeping with this nation's increasingly similarity with the Roman Empire)instead of "public" we use the word "mob".

Posted by: DaveinNC at November 14, 2012 08:43 AM (boNGU)

226 220 icedog,

That's the dream isn't it.

My wife dreams of the day she gets out of bed and looks at her green/gray pajamas and says "no this dress is prettier."

We want the retirement pretty hard but though I'll be bitter I am not exactly slashing my wrists totally at the notion we get caught in barry's chainsawing the force.

The American people shrugged about our military.

Time to be ready to follow their wishes.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:43 AM (LRFds)

227
Lets find Paul Krugman, cover his body with pro-Obama stickers, and push him off the tallest building in Manhattan.

Posted by: Fresh at November 14, 2012 08:44 AM (O7ksG)

228 AtC! What are you doing here?

Avoiding working at work, of course.


Shouldn't you be resting up? How are you feeling?

I probably should be resting up because I feel like utter crap but needs must. I really can't take off because there's a ton of crap to do and if I'm not here there's no one else to do it.


That right there is also why the takers presume that the makers will always be available to pay for their stuff. For the most part, we continue to slog on because that's what you do.


I would like it officially noted for the record that I never agreed to this being an adult crap and I resent it terribly.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 14, 2012 08:44 AM (VtjlW)

229 The number of "secession" petition signatures is up to 660,000 now, according to Daily Caller via Drudge.

Naturally, always looking to short-term politics, some are--as usual--more concerned with how the media will make it look than anything else. Redstate, of course, has already issued its fatwa. Since this is the same site that banned folks five years ago for merely mentioning third party ("my GOP, May she always be right, but my GOP, right or wrong."), and since Herman Cain just called for such, I take the Redstate view the same way I take everything they do--nice guys, never up to the long term challenge, never able to do or think of anything, apparently, but retail politics, of the next election variety. Which things are not inconsequential, to be sure, but a slavish devotion to that mentality got us here, and will sink us. Just because things may not be possible by ordinary means does not mean they are impossible.

Here is what I take the petitions as--a symbol of defiance. A warning that "we are not going to have Barack change us the way he thinks he is going to." A statement that "we are Americans, and we will determine who we are, not Washington, not Harvard." i take it as an indication that the cultural imperialism the Left always wrings it hands over if done by the West in a third-world country will not be tolerated if the self-same Left tries it here--as they in fact are.

And in that, I fully support the petitioners, if not immediate secession.

If 660,000 ethnic minorities of the typical Democratic variety had signed a similiar petition, folks in the U.N. would already be starting to mull over possibilities for investigations and sanctions in their head--because it gives them an opportunity they would not e able to pass up. 660,000 non-Progressives sign them, though, it's something to laugh at on Morning Jolt.

That attitude, repeated often enough--and it will be--well, I'm going to suggest that is how you get a real secession crisis. Just sayin'.

Posted by: A. at November 14, 2012 08:45 AM (WVAHc)

230 216 Whatev,

yeah they think they'll get to steal our land...they have a lot less problem with that than with israel having a problem with the Pals.

Hey libs you can wet the bed for human rights closer to home or you can admit you're hypocrits.

Your choice.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:45 AM (LRFds)

231 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 08:28 AM (XkWWK)

No worries....a large majority of the military are from red states, or are at least conservatives who escaped a blue state.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:46 AM (9ScGj)

232 How the heck can anyone NOT believe Dems and the media are not unhappy about this? I do not believe he cooked it up, but compare the treatment of this scandal to that of another Obama sex scandal- the one at DHS involving women. There is NO comparison. The Democrat-controlled media is pushing this for all it's worth. They love this. The DHS story was dropped like a hot potato, almost immediately.

Posted by: Baldy at November 14, 2012 08:47 AM (opS9C)

233 Tonestaple, that is hilarious. Total Upper East Side disconnectedness from everything.

Posted by: Truman North, last of the famous international playboys at November 14, 2012 08:47 AM (I2LwF)

234 229 A,

Yup.

At a mimnimum there's that. I can't throw in with them because of my situation and i feel that makes me something of a coward. Well guilty as charged but in "changing America for the better" Obama will free me to be more defiant when he steals my wife's career. My Dr is pissed and shocked at America choosing this something has changed.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:47 AM (LRFds)

235 If that many folks symbolically signed for secession, we should get even more to help out in keeping congress in line. One of the positives from the 2012 election was keeping the House by almost the same margins even though it was a D heavy electorate w/ low R turnout. We need to make sure the House keeps the fight going.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 08:48 AM (yAor6)

236 I can hear EoJ's voice when I read his posts, lol. I should go check for more casts. Bourbon, or anger? Iiiiiiii'm thinkin' probably anger.

Posted by: Gem at November 14, 2012 08:48 AM (zw+pb)

237 196
Firearm morons, what say you about the HK M556? I am eyeballing this one as a pickup this weekend.

Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 08:23 AM (GQ8sn)



Geeze you're indecisive :-P



Can't go wrong with HK obviously. How much are you thinking about spending on it?

Posted by: RWC at November 14, 2012 08:24 AM (fWAjv)

Yeah, I'm still trying to settle on one. Price is not a factor right now. I'm planning for long term.
197
193 EC,
Anything HK is quality. The issue comes back to parts. Is
the performance gain worth the potential hassle of parts down the road
if Schumer gets his way?


Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:24 AM (LRFds)
I'll order some spare parts to keep on hand. What's the MTBF on these kinds of rifles?

Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 08:48 AM (GQ8sn)

238 Allen, spent almost 3 years at Sheppard AFB, and drove by Dyess once in
1992. Has it built up any since then...do you guys at least have a
Whataburger yet)


I don't live in Abilene anymore, but they had a couple of Whataburgers while I lived there. Actually, that whole area has grown a lot in the last 10 years.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:48 AM (8y9MW)

239 232 baldy,

They are too stupid to realize they are not hurting us, and they are not changing my view of the military at all.

I know the majority of the right knows the flaws of the military machine.

Davey P is not my problem he is Barry's.

Yell it in their faces.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:48 AM (LRFds)

240 Posted by: A. at November 14, 2012 08:45 AM (WVAHc)

Bravo!

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:48 AM (9ScGj)

241 (I for one don't believe it was manufactured. That's just silly. I believe they waited to use it for their own political purposes and would've originally held back on it to keep from being the butt of jokes for hiring the guy and not saying anything sooner)

I don't know if Beck covered his timeline info on the radio yesterday, but on the TV show last night he had info that the CIA knew about Petraeus's extracurricular activities in MAY. They just played along till they needed leverage. And that dolt Clapper had the sitdown with Petraeus telling him that a teaching job at Princeton was going to be his golden parachute for clamming up and going away. You know, Princeton, home (I think)of intellectual giants Van Jones and Cornell "Grady" West.

Posted by: RushBabe, up for SMOD or LIB, whichever comes first at November 14, 2012 08:48 AM (tQHzJ)

242 Well the sun has finally came out and now warming up. With temps in the 30s and dropping while it was overcast, windy, and looking like rain it was beginning to look like snow in mid Nov.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 08:50 AM (YdQQY)

243 I wouldn't trust a CC to modern Republicans, much less let the Dems be involved.
Secession was settled a long time ago. It's not going to happen. Let's get real.
To those minimizing voter fraud - all it would take is key counties in swing states to tip an election.

Posted by: real joe at November 14, 2012 08:50 AM (PD2ad)

244 237 EC,

I wouldn't go to the degree of ordering the equivalent of an armorer's kit for it or anything, just the usual the action spares and a few sets of screws and furniture.

I regret not buying a Steyr Aug or a Vakmet 76 when i had the chance.....

probably the Valmet more than the AUG.

Happy shopping.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:50 AM (LRFds)

245 >>>214

Personally, I think it's inevitable. I've thought this since 2004 when the left was openly flirting with the idea. We have a very clear 50-50 division in the country that's not only political, but cultural as well. One half of the country cannot keep telling the other half to fuck off without something snapping.

The problem most people have with secession, even conservatives, is that it's stuck in kook-fantasyland and not taken seriously as a result. Some very smart person could probably make themselves a metric ass-load of money if they wrote a book on the subject.

There are rational arguments to be made in favor of it and very real negative consequences if it happens.

I just think, right now, it's a reactionary response to losing and it needs a lot more thought.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 14, 2012 08:51 AM (Kxr/e)

246 There is a bit of energy up here too sven.
And we bring other good things to the table, so to speak.
Get rid of the libs in Douglas, Sedgwick, Wyandotte and Shawnee counties and we really got it going on.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 14, 2012 08:51 AM (BfZ1r)

247 Unless we can take the Air Force with us...

See also Dyess AFB, the last home of the B-1 (or is it the B-2?, I can never remember).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:52 AM (8y9MW)

248 243 Real Joe,

Duly noted and I disagree. I would but "okay."

I can't be the only person who arrived at the conclusion i was kissing a corpse.

This ain't about Barky this is about the Democrats not being my "misguided cousin" but simply my enemy.

They have been telling me my whole life how much they hate me but I kept treating them as a part of me.

That's done.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:52 AM (LRFds)

249 244
237 EC,

I wouldn't go to the degree of ordering the equivalent of
an armorer's kit for it or anything, just the usual the action spares
and a few sets of screws and furniture.

I regret not buying a Steyr Aug or a Vakmet 76 when i had the chance.....

probably the Valmet more than the AUG.

Happy shopping.


Wow, those are some nice pieces. I admit, I have a fetish for the exotic stuff and those Euros, for all the puss-whacks they are, do make some fine shooty pew-pew thingies.

Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 08:52 AM (GQ8sn)

250 219 Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:40 AM (LRFds)


My life's a bit complicated, Sven. My wife, whom I love dearly is a dyed-in-the-wool lib, bless her pointy but cute head.

I am just sick at heart at some of the decisions I am going to be forced to make, and sooner than I think.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 08:53 AM (XkWWK)

251 We don't need an Art5 convention as much as we need the viable threat of one. Look back on what happened with the balanced budget amendment.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2012 08:53 AM (elbGQ)

252 246 Incognito,

Yup, I think when/if people grasp that there is a STRONG probability that what the donks are really after is nationalization of US resource based assets you'd be shocked how many folk want off the train.

Socialism does not need and in fact does directly need robust resource exploitation.

It is not about barky hating shale or coal or NG it is about barky not getting enough of the gain from exploiting them.

Well fuck him I don't want his help.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:55 AM (LRFds)

253 :::227
Lets find Paul Krugman, cover his body with pro-Obama stickers, and push him off the tallest building in Manhattan.
Posted by: Fresh at November 14, 2012 08:44 AM (O7ksG)::;

I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 14, 2012 08:55 AM (vaKm1)

254 127 Posted by: Popcorn at November 14, 2012 07:47 AM (6AbcC) ********* 12 years? The media and Hollywood have been in the tank for the Dems since at least FDR.

Posted by: Baldy at November 14, 2012 08:56 AM (opS9C)

255 Look back on what happened with the balanced budget amendment.

You mean "nothing?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:56 AM (8y9MW)

256 So, I'm thinking about retiring to the Mississippi golf coast. I'm in Chicago now, and I want to go where the climate is warm, the politics red, and near the sea. Any thoughts? Other recommendations?

Posted by: CharleSays at November 14, 2012 08:56 AM (2aJHq)

257 251 jean,

That's true as well.

Not talking down to anyone study really study the gradation of goals that the founders had at the first Continental Congress.

We don't need, want, or desire lockstep in our goals we need to get the point across to the 536 clowns in DC "we'll wreck this on purpose to get you bastards to back off."

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:56 AM (LRFds)

258 I thought Fox and Friends had two cats fucking on set. Turns out it's Susan Boyle singing horribly off-key.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 14, 2012 08:57 AM (vaKm1)

259 256 CharleSays,

You can find what you're looking for anywhere from Alabama to Texas.

Wife and I are gonna put a boat in Corpus Christi or Galveston and maybe summer there.

The beaches are not the best but they're wet.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:57 AM (LRFds)

260 @256 I'd recommend my state of FL where our local politics are red, we're right to work, we're generally pro-2nd amendment, and have no state income tax. But we did vote for O twice (albeit by very small margins each time) so take it with a grain of salt.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 08:58 AM (yAor6)

261 I thought Fox and Friends had two cats dogs fucking on set. Turns out it's Susan Boyle singing horribly off-key.

Fixed, to conform to the AoSHQ Styleguide.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:58 AM (8y9MW)

262 I did find it amusing that some of the lefty trolls the last few days are almost, dare I say, 'worried' that the red states want to secede.

I actually thought they'd be gung-ho for the idea, given what a bunch of backward sexist, homophobic, inbred retards we are.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 14, 2012 08:58 AM (Kxr/e)

263 Hell, can you imagine all the perpetual unemployed and 4th generation welfare types from the south and midwest pouring into the 'new' blue country...on top of their millions?

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 08:58 AM (9ScGj)

264 Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 08:48 AM (LRFds) ******* Yes, although I don't think they're pushing it because of the military angle.

Posted by: Baldy at November 14, 2012 08:58 AM (opS9C)

265 Off to the office (does that mean that someone else is on to the "onice? [typical liberal zero-sum illogic]).

Catch you all later.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2012 08:58 AM (XkWWK)

266 FWIW if you settle in the panhandle right by the gulf you'd be in the reddest part of the state

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 08:59 AM (yAor6)

267 I actually thought they'd be gung-ho for the idea, given what a bunch of backward sexist, homophobic, inbred retards we are.

Oh, no. They're smart enough to know where their bread is buttered.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 08:59 AM (8y9MW)

268 Paul Krugman proves the validity of the expression "The Living Shit".

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 14, 2012 09:00 AM (6H6FZ)

269 250 JJ Sefton,

I feel you.

Turning my back on Ohio was not sudden and not a tantrum. Deciding that my answer on california is now "naturalize them and then encourage them to push to leave" is not sudden and not a tantrum.

I have beliefs and I am done subverting my service to them to maintain a suicide pact with the left.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:00 AM (LRFds)

270 Does anyone really trust the Dem-tards with a Constitutional amendment?

Posted by: sithkhan at November 14, 2012 09:00 AM (u9ths)

271 >>>267 Oh, no. They're smart enough to know where their bread is buttered.

"If we raises taxes to pay for free shit...and all the taxpayers go away....HEYWAITAMINNIT!"

See, they do know basic math. I was shocked too.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 14, 2012 09:00 AM (Kxr/e)

272 Well every time the States have started making noises about an Art V convention it has scared the shit out of Congress and they have responded. Sometimes it was a hollow response that fooled a lot of the borderline people, but they did a response.



I still say that is our only viable solution now short of complete collapse or revolution or most likely, both. I would rather try the CC first before we have collapse/revolution and kill 25% of the population.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 09:01 AM (YdQQY)

273 FWIW if you settle in the panhandle right by the gulf you'd be in the reddest part of the state

Or you could move to real Texas instead of Texas-East.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 14, 2012 09:01 AM (8y9MW)

274 Secession talk is yakkity yack and a bore.

Better yet, it is time to work on taking over Dem-controlled state legislatures and governorships. Thirty governorships are now in Republican hands and that's a good start. Between now and 2014, the state races will be where the action is. And a united front by the country's governors will be a powerful counterpoint to the current and accelerating federal overreach.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2012 09:01 AM (HjPtV)

275 I probably should be resting up because I feel like utter crap but needs
must. I really can't take off because there's a ton of crap to do and
if I'm not here there's no one else to do it.





That right there is also why the takers presume that the makers will
always be available to pay for their stuff. For the most part, we
continue to slog on because that's what you do.




Ive actually run headfirst into this at church, of all places. I was asked a couple years ago to help out with running audio/video for church on Sundays. Yes, we're one of those evil places that has guitars and drums, so sound is more than just wiring up the preacher. We also have to large projectors at the front where all the words for songs are displayed and the preacher's sermon points go and videos are shown. Well, we are now in a position where only a couple people are even capable of running a Sunday morning if everything was already created and ready to go. Actually create the slides, backgrounds, etc for a new song or that day's sermon? Maybe, maybe one person can do that with any sort of success. And he's the worship pastor. Kinda busy.

So, I'm never allowed to be sick or miss church. About the only time I do miss is around Christmas when we go spend time with my wife's family. And every time I do miss a Sunday or two, I get hugs and "Oh thank God you're back! It was a disaster!"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 14, 2012 09:01 AM (da5Wo)

276 Next up, MSNBC will begin appealing to the Red States' sense of patriotism and love of country to discourage secession talk.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 14, 2012 09:02 AM (Kxr/e)

277 "Or you could move to real Texas instead of Texas-East."

heh

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 09:02 AM (yAor6)

278 So, I'm thinking about retiring to the Mississippi
golf coast. I'm in Chicago now, and I want to go where the climate is
warm, the politics red, and near the sea. Any thoughts? Other
recommendations?


Posted by: CharleSays at November 14, 2012 08:56 AM (2aJHq)

We have better golf at Myrtle Beach.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 09:03 AM (YdQQY)

279 Allen, I think they prefer to call it L.A. (lower Alabama)

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 09:03 AM (9ScGj)

280 256 >> So, I'm thinking about retiring to the Mississippi golf coast.

Come on down and join the party, Charles. Due to a diverse economic base here, the area is somewhat recession proof. Property taxes are low, but home insurance is pretty pricy. Homes themselves are cheap here compared to many other areas.

I spent 18 years in Chicagoland myself, and I don't the place at all.

One side note -- It is HOT here in the summer. Humid and hot. Did I mention it is hot here?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 14, 2012 09:04 AM (ccXZP)

281 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 08:15 AM (zF6Iw)

That smiley: consists of a 8 and ). No matter where it happens the comment parser will make that smiley appear.

So in your comment when you make the years from and to and put them in parenthesis the eight showing up before the right parenthesis turns it into a smiley.

Don't you just love the special comment software here at the HQ?

Posted by: AshKente at November 14, 2012 09:04 AM (SP4jC)

282 264 baldy,

I do I think Obama does not understand us as anything other than a designated villain and he knows he wants "my people" in the levers of power now.

They are pushing this to shit on the military to justify deeper cuts than was initially sold.

Davey P acting like the democrat he is is not my problem and has nothing to do with my views on the US military.

Hell if after sleep and a period of rumination I decide that break up is the answer you will find no harsher butcher for military spending than me.

Better to not have a multi matrix capable ready to work military than have one with guns aimed squarely at you.

Makes the possibility of peaceful break up more likely.

I would much prefer peace.



Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:04 AM (LRFds)

283 @279 that's true. I've been to Alabama plenty times, ditto the panhandle. The only difference between the two are more beaches in the panhandle and the accents are just a tad different too.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Now Blog-Less at November 14, 2012 09:05 AM (yAor6)

284 "We are ready for boom times in the nation if we could just get our fiscal policy under control."

I love this kind of dry humor. This guy is good.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 09:05 AM (/f80E)

285 278 Vic,

yes but declining a bit IMHO.

I can't believe my old condo at deer Track is such a wreck now.

What happened?

I guess I'll find out over Thanksgiving.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:05 AM (LRFds)

286 188, ex-esq. My husband and I are going Galt soon. In our 50's. Kids are gone. Paid over 300k in taxes last year. And they say we haven't done enough. Never taken a dime in any kind of assistance EVER. I might could wrap my mind around the money being gone if we felt just a little bit appreciated. I think anyone who takes govt assistance at all should be required to write thank you notes to random taxpayers for every check they receive. Remind them that real people are spending real money supporting them.

Posted by: State Dept. Spokesperson trying to figure it all out at November 14, 2012 09:06 AM (zvxqj)

287 So, I'm thinking about retiring to the Mississippi

golf coast. I'm in Chicago now, and I want to go where the climate is

warm, the politics red, and near the sea. Any thoughts? Other

recommendations?




Posted by: CharleSays at November 14, 2012 08:56 AM (2aJHq)

We have better golf at Myrtle Beach.

LOL!

I was born in Saint Louis,Gnu. I like the hot.

Posted by: CharleSays at November 14, 2012 09:07 AM (2aJHq)

288 276 El kabong,

yeah well shitting on our flag worked wonders for the left.

I love the founders, the documents and not a single politician alive today more than those two things.

I may even be past the flag.

if Obama can scratch his dick during the veneration of it and be Captain America maybe I am not wanting to be Captain America anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:07 AM (LRFds)

289 Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:05 AM (LRFds)


That was snark on the "golf". I would never go to live in Myrtle Beach, its too damn expensive but I have gone there to play golf.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 09:07 AM (YdQQY)

290 Posted by: @PurpAv at November 14, 2012 09:05 AM (/f80E)

He must be a Brit...only the lymies can get their humor that dry.

Posted by: Icedog at November 14, 2012 09:09 AM (9ScGj)

291 Ben has sneaked in the news dump. Same shit, different thread.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 09:10 AM (YdQQY)

292 How to trim the $16.2 Trillion dollar debt? Really? That isn't in the cards folks. The debt "ceiling" is sure to rise to over $18 trillion soon. Do you expectObamao and his friends to not borrow and spendit? By the time he is done US debt will have risen to over $20 trillion, my guess is $24if youdon'thit the hard landingbefore then. For those who still can't fathom what a trillion is, you will collectively be on the hook for more than 20 million million. That will be more than a doubling in just eight years.Each and every American will owe well over $55,000 to someone, thanks to progressive policies, and that is just Federal debt. I believe Californians can add more than $10 grand to that total. There will be no soft or safe landing when those bills come due, and they will. You are a bankrupt nation; monetarily, spiritually, and intellectually. Those are the chickens that are coming home to roost.
Sadly, as a Canadian we too are in a similar boat. However our current PM has been chipping away at the stupidity and we're hoping to keep it that way. Still, you are our largest trading partner and when your economy tanks ours will suffer as well.
Good luck my friends.

Posted by: Markon at November 14, 2012 09:11 AM (sLafu)

293 How about all you damn trolls who are talking to yourself stay here. I say trolls, it is probably one erg posting from two different IPs.

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 09:12 AM (YdQQY)

294 245 El Kabong,

Thanks for the reasoned reply.

A lot of very smart people touched on it BEFORE recounts 2000.

Walter Williams' article from 2000 was the first time I read the idea and did not get pissed off at the writer.

I am not a spurned lover throwing a tantrum.

I'm a patriot who watched his nation morph into something he grew into a soldier swearing to fight.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:14 AM (LRFds)

295 I find it extremely interesting that anyone who poses any (whether obvious or not) questions as to the current sacred beliefs of the HQ are immediately labeled a troll and threats and disdain issued.

Yet you all laugh and titter at the echo chamber of HuffPo and KOs.

Popcorn's only crime was disdain of the obvious but in a way, I can see why they said it because some here seem to be discussing seriously actions that will never happen and can never happen under the conditions that apply at this time.

the number one condition which no one has yet to come up with an answer to is what to do about the Mass Media and it's almost lemming like responses to any crisis or negative occurrence that might adversely affect Democrats and/or TFG?

Until that simple fact of reality is addressed and resolved and enough get on board with the solution to make it work, any actions by R's will be met with more of the same of the last 4 years.

Sadly, I have no simple answer and apparently no one else does either. Perhaps if Andrew was still alive he would've found it. His websites are now more and more formulaic replicas of other conservative sites with more concern over moderating their comments than assaulting the bastions of liberalism in the press.

We don't need more sites telling us how bad things suck. We need sites and people to think of ways to counter act the press and Academe. (another of the legs of the tripod propping up liberalism)

(accusations of being a troll in 4 . 3 . 2 . . . )

Posted by: AshKente at November 14, 2012 09:15 AM (SP4jC)

296 289 Vic,

I'm getting ready to make my last trip there soon.

Vic one of my deepest regrets from my time in Columbia is not seeking you out to buy you a beer or shot or two.

I may well remedy that in the near future I was in a very angry place when I was in your neck of the woods.

I'm less angry now.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:15 AM (LRFds)

297 Since secession isn't going to be seriously considered, is it wise to sign your name on a petition that the Obama Administration could obtain and use against you?

Posted by: Thinking things over at November 14, 2012 09:16 AM (bS6uW)

298
Well, Gabe, you might wanna ask how many staff level officers have 'retired' over the last year...and see if the cover stories for those 'retirements' make any sense. (Answers: 'More than you think'or 'more than usual' and 'no.')
Something else is going on here, and it has damn little to do with extra-marital sexand blown safe houses. A now dead ambassador gave us a quick peak behind the curtains. Don't let his sacrfice be in vain...because you think that 'it just can't happen in America.'
Hint: While the right was sleeping... Lefties have infiltrated and purged the intelligence commnity, andits leadership has been replaced by left wingers. This has also happened at the DHS, the TSA and other LEOs. Now, the military is also being quietly purged.
If yu get any of these people in front of a Republican led House committee, the truth will begin to emerge. The White House can't allow that to happen.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 14, 2012 09:16 AM (WwR1j)

299 295 AK,

Subverting the media becomes a lot less important if you shrug and refuse to keep the globe they are singing to on your shoulders.

Je Me Souviens

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:17 AM (LRFds)

300 274 mrp,

You don't get it.

The Blue state voters do not care.

This is a game to them and we will not reach them we cannot flip them they do not care.

We fired Nixon and took the loss of a previously popular leader because it was the patriotic thing to do.

Obama could machine gun the house GOP and the blue staters would cheer.

Time to hit the exits.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:19 AM (LRFds)

301 298 WB,

bang on....

they seceded from us in 2001 team....

Val Plame was not acting as a "loyal American" when trying to fuck Bush over she was acting as a Democrat spy.

The civil service is a partisan democrat game and they play a game even the GOP civil servants refuse to play.

We lost the invasion because we were defending a war that while certainly defensible should not have been worth our national assets we've lost in these last 4 years.

Time to attack the real enemy or leave.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:22 AM (LRFds)

302 297 TTO,

I dunno you have to valuate risk.

I can't this time around I live in the beast.

If you will bear the burden of your beliefs braver than I you should, otherwise pay attention and add your weight after you've prepared.

I have things to ponder.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:23 AM (LRFds)

303 295 AK Drudge reported a couple days ago that the networks were down to new lows in ratings. Newspapers are still going belly up at a good clip, and advertising revenues are in a multi-year plummet.

So things are happening, albeit slowly. Have you done your part? Have you cancelled your TV subscription?

As to doing things, what about going Galt? Doesn't that accomplish something concrete, i.e. starve the beast?

Some of the wilder plans have little chance of coming to be, sure, but what harm does it do to discuss them?

No, I don't think you are a troll.

Yet. Subject to terms and conditions, be sure to read the fine print, offer void after 30 seconds.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 14, 2012 09:25 AM (ccXZP)

304
I dunno--with all those generals and all those women, I'm reminded of my old drill sarge's favorite term "clusterfuck".
Of course that could also generally apply to almost anything Obozo touches.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 14, 2012 09:26 AM (oe1aw)

305
Big Obama donor laying off people due to Obamacare. Something I have
NEVER understood is why the CEOs of large corporations donate money to
Democrats. I know they expect large returns in crony corruption like all
those phony green energy corporations. But the fact remains if you are
not in a business that Democrats like you are going to get screwed.

http://is.gd/WT9wJv

Posted by: Vic at November 14, 2012 06:42 AM (YdQQY)


I don't know why they support Barry/Dems. Maybe when their business suffers and their employees are out of work it will sink it. Then again maybe not since you can't fix stupid

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 14, 2012 09:26 AM (1Jaio)

306 292 Markon,

Markon I have a proposition for you.

Ruminate on whether or not Canada would be well served throwing open her borders to Americans who are willing to work, and sign a pledge not to get a dime of services you are used to for a decade.

Your nation has an amazing amount of wealth, and not enough Anglics willing to throw themselves at it and endure whatever is needed to meet your national goals.

I want to live right and lean keep a fair share of what I earn and not be asked to carry the slothful in my rucksack.

I think an American secession and Canadian/New America union or confederation is the way out of the debt bomb.

The resources and drive are there in a lot of folk, but what is missing is the permission and political will to work our way out of this clusterfuck.

I will embrace any Canadian who gets it as an intellectual and spiritual brother.

I love Locke, I hate Marx and I love work have we of the Anglosphere fallen so hard we cannot use each other in that way?

regards,
sven

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:29 AM (LRFds)

307 303 GnuBreed,

That's right going Galt is a multi layered deal.

The left decided we weren't really a nation a long time ago.

Time to make them totally correct.

Shrug get your US news from foreign sources they are a LOT more honest.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:30 AM (LRFds)

308 Dana Milbank = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 14, 2012 09:32 AM (DoZD+)

309 Big Obama donor laying off people due to Obamacare. Something I have

NEVER understood is why the CEOs of large corporations donate money to

Democrats. I know they expect large returns in crony corruption like all

those phony green energy corporations. But the fact remains if you are

not in a business that Democrats like you are going to get screwed.


Carve outs and exemptions. e.g. Walmart.

Posted by: EC at November 14, 2012 09:34 AM (GQ8sn)

310 Al Gore = pasty white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 14, 2012 09:38 AM (DoZD+)

311 Posted by: AshKente at November 14, 2012 09:15 AM (SP4jC)


Who the hell is going to accuse you of trolling? Are you more concerned with bitching about that or actually making your real point?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 14, 2012 09:41 AM (uD2fR)

312 Well, if it helps, I don't think you're a troll, AshKente, I just think your tedious defensiveness is a waste of everyone's time. If it helps.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 14, 2012 09:43 AM (XBUdh)

313 Since secession isn't going to be seriously considered, is it wise to sign your name on a petition that the Obama Administration could obtain and use against you?

Posted by: Thinking things over at November 14, 2012 09:16 AM (bS6uW)


With respect, that's the mindset that helped get us in this mess. If you're afraid to sign a petition, what are you going to do if the S really HTF?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 09:45 AM (zF6Iw)

314 313 Mary Poppins,

Yup.

I'm sorry I can't help right now. I will when I am free. The left is about to corner a lot of people into making choices.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:47 AM (LRFds)

315 Could the OH election be reversed? Obama won OH by ~ 100K votes. There are still 300K votes not counted.

Oh...don't tease me!

Posted by: Paladin at November 14, 2012 09:48 AM (DPvCq)

316 One last thing before I'm out for the day - while I find the idea of a merger with Canda appealing, it has to be a primary and non-negotiable insistence that there will be no union without the 1st and 2nd amendments applying to the union. I'll be damned if we join Canada just to find ourselves under their pro-sharia "hate speech" laws.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 14, 2012 09:50 AM (zF6Iw)

317 Nope.

In NC, we elected a Republican governor for only the third time since Reconstruction. McCrory won with 55% of the vote (Romney beat Obama with just over 50%). That's a LOT of Dems crossing over to vote for a Republican. There is hope. When the GOP nominates a conservative, pro-private sector candidate, we win. The Republicans also control the NCstate house and state senate.

We will win more governorships and state legislative chambers. The revolt against the Left will have its greatest impact starting at the state level. When the majority of states are Texas, then we'll see what happens.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2012 09:51 AM (HjPtV)

318 316 mary Poppin's,

I think a confederation is the way to go.

Canada taking on our bill of rights is a lot to ask.

Asking for latitude to have a bill of rights sacred in our provinces is not.

The left is a suicide pact and not just for us the canadian right faces the same issues.

Alberta feels every bit Ontario's prisoner that Texas does DC's.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:53 AM (LRFds)

319
Since secession isn't going to be seriously considered, is it wise to sign your name on a petition that the Obama Administration could obtain and use against you?

Posted by: Thinking things over at November 14, 2012 09:16 AM (bS6uW)

With respect, that's the mindset that helped get us in this mess. If you're afraid to sign a petition, what are you going to do if the S really HTF?



Glenn Beck was on this yesterday, except he was the one asking how wise it was to put your name on a petition. Seriously? I thought he was all about charging into battle, damn the torpedoes. And I agree that one reason we lost is that everyone (including myself) has been afraid to reveal themselves. And look where it's gotten us.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 14, 2012 09:53 AM (DoZD+)

320 Allen West. Never. say die.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 14, 2012 09:54 AM (DoZD+)

321 317 Mrp,

NC went way left for a good long time before it went right.

NC is actually part of why I distrust the blue so much.

Ask Vic about yankee locusts and changes to the ideals of your home based on then fleeing the rewards of their work and eating your corn.

We can't have a nation when the Blue wants to destroy the red not beat them.

I want to treat Schumer like a communist because he is one.

That means something and I am tired of fighting that instinct.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:55 AM (LRFds)

322 Patrick Murphy = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 14, 2012 09:57 AM (DoZD+)

323 319 Katya,

Yup, like I said I need more sleep and a lot more thought but I think finally I am ready to take the left at their word.

You want to perfect America?

Okay fuck you I am ready to take her with me have fun with whatever you come up with donks.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 09:57 AM (LRFds)

324 And I agree that one reason we lost is that everyone (including myself) has been afraid to reveal themselves.

It can also be extremely useful to remain in the shadows. Personally, the best time to reveal one's self is when it is by stepping onto the smoking ruins of their position. Not frequently possible, but it's what you shoot for.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 14, 2012 10:13 AM (GBXon)

325 Sven,

The Republican Party needs serious reform if it is to be competitive in the 2014 federal election cycle. We need closed primaries and an effective GOTV program. The Republican wing of the Political Class will fight reform tooth and nail (and with hefty checkbooks). If the Establishment is unwilling to reform, then conservatives must defend themselves by giving serious thought to a third party alternative. It is the primary system that is hurting our chances for electoral victory.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2012 10:16 AM (HjPtV)

326 I will vote with my feet next year. To a red State I go.

Posted by: eman at November 14, 2012 10:20 AM (sRus3)

327 Arrgghh! How can a bunch of mostly incoherent comments take over a thread?! Is there any way to put a commenters name at the top of the comment so it is easier to zip over? I ask this because I aml lazy...

Posted by: Museisluse at November 14, 2012 10:23 AM (SsWgR)

328 325 mrp,

I'm not sure that's true anymore.

if we are empowering barack T Ogabe because of conservative voters and Americans shitting themselves in a rage over GOP corruption by either going blue(they are worse) or sitting out we're fucked anyway.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 10:25 AM (LRFds)

329 326 eman,

I am serious in saying perhaps those of us here who can spare the money may well want to help concentrate the red.

Time to get to work if the answer is something best left today unsaid.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 10:26 AM (LRFds)

330 I don't think it is meant as a distraction.

I think it is meant as a means to lean on anyone who might talk to the House about Obama's poltroonery at Benghazi.


Posted by: Kristophr at November 14, 2012 10:33 AM (wYVte)

331 The way to bring about secession is to get state legislators and governors to fight back against Washington. Washington will push back to the extent that they can as they go broke. That will anger even more states. Repeat.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 14, 2012 10:34 AM (WYTHl)

332 331 JLDH,

yup....

Barack's a retard he won't get he can;t win so we will....

just the distance between here and there.

I need to decide whether I want to be with the blue at all anymore when i can think more clearly.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 14, 2012 10:40 AM (LRFds)

333
I am weary of having to spend all of my time worrying about what the totalitarian collectivists (Obama and his crew) are going to do next to further enslave me in legion with the useful idiots that comprise the sophisticated elites (Chief Justice Roberts and assorted RINOs).

The democrats have assembled their dependent class proletariate mob while the republicans have compromised our Liberty andsubmitted to the totalitarian demands of the democrats piece by piece.

This U.S. Government is conducted in bad faith. It's a con game run by the Democrats to centralize power while the Republicans provide a facade ofthe system having a modicum of fairness and following the constitution.

I don't blame Romney, I don't blame SoCons, FiCons, NeoCons or any other Cons. I blame all those people who would strip me of my Liberty, acting in direct opposition of the Constitution's plain meaning. The people are not my countrymen, and I have nothing in common with them to any desire continued political and economic unity with them.

We are at the end of the road in this experiment in mixing people who embrace Socialism and those who embrace Liberty.

Posted by: Minueman at November 14, 2012 11:23 AM (XDZNJ)

334 "A Gabriel Malor is born every minute".
-- P. T. Barnum

Posted by: Gerry at November 14, 2012 12:45 PM (Xqz79)






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