Media: Republicans Are So Stupid They Thought They Could Win An Election That Everyone Said Was Too Close To Call And Would Depend on Turnout

Jonathan Martin of Politico has been pushing that line -- shock of shocks. Nolte rebuts him some. So did AllahPundit.

Here's a quote from liberal hack Jonathan Martin:

GOP officials have chalked up their electoral thumping to everything from the country’s changing demographics to an ill-timed hurricane and failed voter turn-out system, but a cadre of Republicans under 50 believes the party’s problem is even more fundamental.

The party is suffering from Pauline Kaelism.

Kael was The New Yorker movie critic who famously said in the wake of Richard M. Nixon’s 49-state landslide in 1972 that she knew only one person who voted for Nixon.

Now, many young Republicans worry, they are the ones in the hermetically sealed bubble — except it’s not confined to geography but rather a self-selected media universe in which only their own views are reinforced and an alternate reality is reflected…

In this reassuring conservative pocket universe, Rasmussen polls are gospel, the Benghazi controversy is worse than Watergate, “Fair and Balanced” isn’t just marketing and Dick Morris is a political seer.

The liberal media cannot actually win on non-factual points, as they are supposed to be in the fact business. Not the opinion business. They actually are in the opinion business, but they're not supposed to be.

They cannot "win" an "argument" over raising taxes, or gay marriage, or abortion, even though they would really, really like to. These things are generally not matters of fact. There are some facts to be argued about in each case, but the facts are just selected to prove a belief. It's really the belief that comes first; the facts are secondary.

But the media wishes to win these arguments.

What they do instead is push proxies for the real arguments they wish to win. For example, the media covers the living hell out of every conservative sex scandal, and every conservative money scandal. They try to draw "larger lessons" from such things.

They do not cover Democratic scandals with anything close to the same level of flood-the-zone enthusiasm, and do not attempt to draw "larger lessons" of politics from these scandals. The only larger lessons to be are entirely human ones. Bill Clinton's sex scandals were his own; no larger lessons about the Democratic Party could be drawn. Cold Cash Jefferson's freezer full of bribes was just one man's failing. Etcetera.

Now, when a Republican falls, that's not really evidence that his policy preferences were wrong. But the media plays it that way.

They can't win on the facts as far as policy. And I'm not just saying "conservative policies are factually correct;" I mean no one can win on basic assumptions and beliefs, really. These aren't fact-dependent questions (or, at least, aren't chiefly so).

Which is why, then, they rush to link Good Facts For Democrats for Vindications of Democratic Policy. And, of course, Bad Facts for Republicans to Repudiations of Republican Policy.

This is what this whole "Should we have foreseen this?" argument is about, as usual. The election was very close -- just 2%. Only a few presidential elections in all of American history were closer.

But the media now has a Good Fact for Democrats. So what do they do? They attempt to link this fact to Democratic policies -- their policies are based on facts and science and numbers and things that liberal reporters are entirely ignorant of, but which they approve of, in the abstract. See, the Democrats are rational and reasonable and we know this because they won a 2-point-margin election. They knew they were going to win. That proves they're smarter, and more rational, and they Love Science (from afar-- sometimes they read the review of Malcolm Gladstone book in the New York Times Review of Books and isn't he sort of science-y?).

Republicans, on the other hand, thought they were going to win, and they were wrong wrong wrong, which proves, like everything else about them, that they are Anti-Science and Anti-Reason and think that the energy crisis can be fixed if we just all love Jesus enough and are basically dumb, crude, and crazy.

Note what we're talking about here.

The New York Giants defeated the New England Patriots in a very close Super Bowl this past year, in a game most people thought was a toss-up. A game which most people thought would come down to execution and the last few plays (and it did).

Are the people who thought the Patriots would win crazy? Anti-science? Too Jesusy to understand football?

Were those who predicted a Giants win geniuses? Their heads Full of Math?

No. It was a tossup game, and some people guessed one thing, and some people guessed another. There was evidence to support the idea that the Patriots were a stronger team (they performed better all during the season, had a better W-L record) and there was evidence to support the idea that the Giants would win (they had suddenly come alive late in the season and made people sit up and wonder Where the hell has that team been all season? had the Smell of Destiny about them).

Kind of like the 2012 election, no?

But if anyone seriously attempted to turn his correct guess into a general proof of his Complete Interdisciplinary Mastery of All Fields, we'd call him an idiot and a fool. And if the tried to claim an incorrect guess was proof that Patriots fans were all stupid and anti-science, we'd call him a lunatic.

We'd say he was a sad troll trying to turn something trivial -- a guess about the outcome of a close toss-up contest -- into evidence of something large. Like the fat loser at the bar who still wants to talk about the time he won Trivia Night six years ago.

One last thing -- if liberals all "knew this would happen" (which proves they Love Science), why did I see so many damn articles like this before the election?

Things We Didn't Know: I don't think liberals knew in advance that ORCA would fail, or that the 2012 electorate would be about as non-white as 2008, or that Republicans would actually turn out only at the same low levels as in 2008.

Or that a lethal hurricane would suddenly give Obama the chance to put down the golf club and pick up his spiffy leather jacket.

These things did in fact happen, and they're what turned the election (among a few other things).

But I didn't predict the last five minutes of the Giants-Patriots game, and neither did the media, or liberals generally, predict the specifics of this very, very narrow election.

Posted by: Ace at 05:01 PM



Comments

1 You spelled "Let it Burn" wrong.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen at November 13, 2012 05:03 PM (ZWvOb)

2
We needed more attack Ads.
Being 'too nice' in politics these days, doesn't work.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 05:04 PM (ICEh3)

3 I voted!

Posted by: Fraud at November 13, 2012 05:04 PM (JJ+PT)

4 And your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:05 PM (79ueO)

5 We lost because we over-estimated the American Electorate. We assumed that because the effin house was on fire, that the majority would be excited to vote their way out of the burning building.

But, like at Waco, the media threw stun grenades at the people and they ran back inside.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:05 PM (evdj2)

6 It's the heads I win, tails you lose strategy writ large.


Oh and I was the first to use Pauline Kael analogies by the way.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 05:06 PM (RrD4h)

7
in b4 the ragtime

Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 05:06 PM (jUytm)

8 What's that saying about winners get to write the history books?

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2012 05:06 PM (jm/9g)

9 You have a beef with Joplin?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:06 PM (evdj2)

10 Romney would've won if more people had voted for him.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2012 05:06 PM (QKKT0)

11 Romney needed to get a hat on a hat.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:07 PM (evdj2)

12 does anyone argue FOX News isn't conservative? People say it's "fair" the same way libs say their shows "speak truth to power," i.e., they focus on things they ideologically care about in a way that's ignored elsewhere.

Rasmussen was the most accurate in '08 yeah

I dunno that Dick Morris was even taken all that seriously before this

buncha cheapshots, basically.

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 05:07 PM (60GaT)

13 I'd say it was even closer with all the fraud and military vote suppression.

I'm still can't believe we're even paying attention to pundits who want us to loose, want us to loose badly, and if they could would send us to re-education camps or kill us.

Ignore the chattering asshats. Get candidates with balls.

Speaking of big brass ones, where the fuck is Palin when we need her?

Posted by: Iblis at November 13, 2012 05:07 PM (9221z)

14 Well the left are going spend a few weeks going nah,nah,nah,nah,nah.... we won. Reality will eventually set in and we'll be right back where we started from... which is fucked up as a Country...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 13, 2012 05:08 PM (9+ccr)

15 WTF is up with Bobby "Huey Long" Jindal?

Posted by: Dead 2 Me at November 13, 2012 05:08 PM (JJ+PT)

16 Like the fat loser at the bar who still wants to talk about the time he won Trivia Night six years ago.

But, but, I was ON FIRE!

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:08 PM (O6q63)

17
When Chris Mathews apologizes to a Republican presidential candidate...on the air...
Chances are, that isguy the Dems figure they could easily beat.

Just sayin...

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 05:08 PM (ICEh3)

18
I don't remember Poshitico writing in 2010 about how the Democrats need to get out of their bubble.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 05:08 PM (jUytm)

19 also correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Rasmussen was the only polling firm not projecting D+6

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 05:08 PM (60GaT)

20 where the fuck is Palin when we need her?

Looking down at us and whispering No.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:08 PM (evdj2)

21 Ace, I really like the way you conclude with your topic sentence. It makes me feel validated.

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:09 PM (O6q63)

22 Ace, that's what pisses me off so much about Nate Silver ending up being right.. or, at least on the right side of guessing. There will be no end to his god-like pronouncement from now on.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2012 05:09 PM (f9c2L)

23 I ate my crow. Now I'm see what Ace is seeing - the Dems are claiming they were more rational, and that's why they won.

This is insane.

They - Democrat strategists - acknowledge having targeted the completely uninvolved who watch cable channels full of re-runs to win. We didn't, because it never occurred to us that dangerously uninformed people were the proper audience for a serious argument.

We lost, all right. But not because of our principles. We lost because we didn't target the fools.

Come to think of it, the fools wouldn't have listened to us.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 05:09 PM (mKMj1)

24
Things change.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 05:10 PM (jUytm)

25 MFM delenda est.

Stop conceding vote fraud.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 13, 2012 05:10 PM (Yfo5v)

26 There will be no end to his god-like pronouncement from now on.

In truth, if not for the HQ, I'd have never heard of Nate Silver or Carrot Top for that matter.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:10 PM (evdj2)

27 I think we need to quote-unquote "get in their faces."
And when we do it, it's with the truth and cold hard facts.

The problem is with the media and culture lined up against us, will it have any effect, other than for them to dig in further?

And that's the nub of the problem. We have at least 3 generations of Americans weaned on anti-American propaganda. Their default position is not that we are different or wrong or an alternative world view but that we are EVIL and to be destroyed.

Rush had a whole long monologue about this somewhere midway during his show today, and it's what I've been railing about forever. Worth listening to or looking at the transcript.

Forget elections (except in the short term).

WHAT CAN WE DO, LONG TERM, TO TAKE BACK THE SCHOOLS AND THE CULTURE?

IS THIS A LOST CAUSE?

If that is the case, then America really and truly is utterly finished, as are we. Now I know how the German Jews felt in 1933.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2012 05:10 PM (vCK/R)

28 11 Romney needed to get a hat on a hat.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:07 PM (evdj2)



Lmao. Nice.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 05:11 PM (GEICT)

29 Well a lot of morons took Dick Morris seriously. But the problem with Morris is that about half of what he says comes true and the other half is complete fantasy BS and you can never tell which is which. I believe it was Ann Coulter who quipped that Dick Morris had found a second career whispering sweet nothings into conservative's ears.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 13, 2012 05:11 PM (pAlYe)

30 We lost, all right. But not because of our principles. We lost because we didn't target the fools.

We would have wasted our money. Obama locked up the fool vote by picking one as his VP.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2012 05:11 PM (QKKT0)

31 Uh, you guys were dead-set certain that romney was going to TROUNCE obama.

And Obama won by 3%.

Posted by: Greg at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (t1NLo)

32 One last thing -- if liberals all "knew this would happen" (which proves they Love Science), why did I see so many damn articles like this before the election?

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Or why did the Liberal Media spin the story that Tag Romney owned (rather than the more correct line--Tag invested in a company)

voting machines in Ohio, where Republican lawmakers and the Republican Sec of State had downloaded software patches to still the vote in more "populated" (African American) Ohio precincts?

Why were they pre-spinning--

'The Election in Ohio was Stolen"--if they knew it was full f win?

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (r2PLg)

33 He actually thinks Benghazi is not as serious as Watergate? He must have heard that on a re-run of Glee.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (FcR7P)

34 We all know the media are the enemy. It's the media that enthusiastically broadcasts liberal propaganda, paints conservatives as villains, conceals the Obama administration's crimes and catastrophes, spins stories, and provides idiot liberals with the lies they believe and repeat.

This election demonstrated that bloggers aren't enough. We can win the war of blog comments and Twitter hashtag jokes, and still lose the election. Especially since social media are gradually sorting themselves into rival political bubbles.

Therefore we must concentrate on DEFEATING the mass media. It's the strongest weapon the Democrats have, and we have to take it away from them. The question is, how?

A few people have urged boycotts of movies and music by performers or directors who are liberal assholes, but I doubt that could make a dent -- especially since it's very hard to link the box-office performance of a film to the general attitude of its executive producer.

The media do have one collective Achilles Heel which we should be attacking. It's this: the liberal shits who work in media -- both the performers and the producers -- are pretty horrible people. We should be investigating them, digging up every shameful or criminal incident in their lives, and using it to smash them. The beauty of this approach is that there is no retaliation to worry about. Conservatives in media already face constant scrutiny and attacks, so there's nothing they can do to retaliate that they aren't already doing.

Andrew Breitbart, God rest him, understood this. We need to carry on and expand his work. Specific steps:

Funding: this needs money, but not a huge amount of money. The biggest single expense would be hiring private investigators in New York and Los Angeles, and that can be done when the cash becomes available. A "tip line" Web site would be nice, but not essential. A legal advisor would be good -- and would have to be utterly discreet and reliable. As explained below, it's very important to conceal any connection between donors and operatives. Ace, Truman, Andy: how can we set up secure funding for this kind of operation, to the tune of maybe a couple thousand a week? Anybody have the Koch Bros. number?

Implementation: The main channel to get this stuff out would NOT be conservative media. That's been the big mistake of Breitbart and O'Keefe. Liberals simply dismiss anything from breitbart.com as "conservative smears" so it never gets traction.

We have to feed the trash right back into the liberal media machine. Develop relationships with various reporters both in print and broadcast as "reliable tipsters,' and give them the dirt on their rivals.

The beauty is that while media whores would reflexively protect Obama, say, or Hillary Clinton, they won't have the same attitude toward Jon Stewart or Rachel Maddow. (Stewart should be the highest-priority target. I sincerely believe he is the most influential man in America right now.)

Discoveries about genuine crimes can of course be referred to law enforcement. (Or used for blackmail. I'm not kidding.)

It's important that this operation NOT have a public face. That was Breitbart's other mistake: he made himself a target. This project must have nothing the liberal media can discredit or demonize. No face, no organization name they can turn into a scary meme. Just quietly feed tips to the media. Stay off the radar.

I am totally serious about this. I'm willing to put up some of my own money and invest some of my own time. Short of going out and fucking murdering every liberal shit in media (which has its own problems), I think this is the best hope for our country. Who's with me?

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (5bHjh)

35 If that is the case, then America really and truly is utterly finished, as are we. Now I know how the German Jews felt in 1933.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

No, you don't.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (dZ756)

36 Uh, you guys were dead-set certain that romney was going to TROUNCE obama.

And Obama won by 3%.

Posted by: Olaf


Indeed, dunce. The world is hard hard place.

And compound interest is a stone-cold bitch.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:13 PM (evdj2)

37 edit:Republican Sec of State had downloaded software patches to *steal*l the vote in more "populated" (African American) Ohio precincts?

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:13 PM (r2PLg)

38 Hi Olaf!

What is your share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:13 PM (O6q63)

39 In this reassuring conservative pocket universe, Rasmussen polls are
gospel, the Benghazi controversy is worse than Watergate, “Fair and
Balanced” isn’t just marketing and Dick Morris is a political seer.

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Anyone have a good argument why Benghazi is NOT worse than Watergate?

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:13 PM (P6QsQ)

40 @20

At least she's hotter than Rorschach.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 05:13 PM (RrD4h)

41

Even if a conservative TRIES to seal himself off from having any liberal friends, they still get liberal ideas from:

Movies
TV
News
Music
Celebrities / pop-culture
School
University
ESPN Columnists
Corporate PC rules at work

So in other words, pretty much everything there is outside of friends and family and blogs/conservative journals.

However, if liberals wish to seal themselves off from any conservative thought, they can do it very easily.

This is just another case of projection.



Posted by: dan-O at November 13, 2012 05:14 PM (sWycd)

42 I still love the delicious chocolatey irony that the networks were rubbing Obama ‘s balls like they're a magic lamp while Obama was slurping the slope heads who prove every day that the networks are not creative enough to cobble together entertainment enticing enough to knock these retards off their “That's My Mama “.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 13, 2012 05:14 PM (a804Y)

43 Has any society really come back after total collapse? The "let it burn" crowd seems kinda optimistic.

Posted by: Max Power at November 13, 2012 05:14 PM (q177U)

44 And meanwhile.... Eric Cantor KNEW about the Patreus situation WEEKS before the election.... and said... nothing...

Because he was afraid of being accused of playing POLITICS... so instead he let the Dems play politics with it... unilateral DisArmament for Teh Win?

If the Repubs don't start fighting.... they are DONE.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 05:14 PM (lZBBB)

45 I've said it on other threads, maybe the Koch Brothers and Crossroads should spend money on funding conservatives in higher education. Invade their citadels.

Posted by: Iblis at November 13, 2012 05:14 PM (9221z)

46 Look obama is a snow job wrapped up in lie inside a chicago con job. And the color of his skin is a huge plus in this case. So analyze this election all you want, but it was and will always be a "special" circumstance.
So keep that in mind before we throw the baby out with the bath water.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:15 PM (79ueO)

47 Dunce? Again, you guys were wrong, wrong, wrong. You lost seats in the senate, too.

I was confident of an obama win, but was surprised that he got Virginia.

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:15 PM (t1NLo)

48 Tasker - when the left points at you and makes an accusation, they're generally telling you what they're doing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 13, 2012 05:15 PM (Yfo5v)

49 just because i won trivia night six years ago doesn't prove i'm fat...or a loser

Posted by: wm flip at November 13, 2012 05:15 PM (lB/5N)

50 OT: McAfee is going nuts again, still running from cops and on twitter. This is a guy who spent his time trying to synthesize bath salts. I know it's going to end with him eating someone's face off.

Posted by: Redd at November 13, 2012 05:16 PM (YEG/L)

51 I was confident of an obama win, but was surprised that he got Virginia.

You should savor it then, dunderkind. And enjoy your bark soup.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:16 PM (evdj2)

52 Olaf, what is your share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:16 PM (O6q63)

53 35 No, you don't.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (dZ756)


Why would you say this? I should think that my relatives, some who got out of Cologne as late as '38, and some who survived Auschwitz were credible first hand witnesses.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2012 05:17 PM (vCK/R)

54 Olaf, you still having trouble figuring out who belongs to which political party?

Posted by: Adam at November 13, 2012 05:17 PM (/YJYi)

55
29Well a lot of morons took Dick Morris seriously. But the problem with Morris is that about half of what he says comes true and the other half is complete fantasy BS and you can never tell which is which. I believe it was Ann Coulter who quipped that Dick Morris had found a second career whispering sweet nothings into conservative's ears.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 13, 2012 05:11 PM (pAlYe)

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Yeah, but Coulter also said that Romney was the 'electable' one.

I was one of those who mentioned Morris's predictions...and hoped that he was right.
But I didn't declare it was by any means 'gospel'.

Morris also says that "Attack Ads Work".
On this, I agree with him.

I kept waiting to see the go-for-the-juglar attack ads, thinking that Romney and the Pacs were waiting till the home stretch.
But I didn't see any.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 05:17 PM (ICEh3)

56 Again, you guys were wrong, wrong, wrong. You lost seats in the senate, too.

I was confident of an obama win, but was surprised that he got Virginia.
Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:15 PM (t1NLo)

we lost seats because we had a few putrid candidates and obama ON the ticket had coattails. Without obama on the ticket in 2010, there were no coattails.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:17 PM (79ueO)

57 All this stuff about Conservative cocoons--it was Democrat blogs that deleted and censored like-

Commissars.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:17 PM (r2PLg)

58 Nice summary, Ace. I would add that while ORCA faltered, ORCA II in the form of Chris Christy gave Preezy Cakeboy some ill-timed props.

As with the 1st election of the JEF, another perfect storm for the empty suit. Maybe Allah is the Greatest. ~sigh~

Posted by: eureka! at November 13, 2012 05:17 PM (UL+ny)

59 Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (5bHjh)
I remember this being brought up on AoS a couple of years back. It's brilliant.

Posted by: Bosk at November 13, 2012 05:17 PM (n2K+4)

60 No, Olaf is entirely correct: we lost. We were wrong. So now we have to change the conditions of the battlefield.

Olaf: keep up the taunting and needling. It's exactly what we need to stay motivated and focused on destroying liberal shits like you.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2012 05:18 PM (5bHjh)

61 Stupid people decide elections. That has been axiomatic ever since there have been elections.

Posted by: navybrat at November 13, 2012 05:18 PM (r1ty1)

62 Yeah, I know that during an election we look to each other for support and we may get carried away with positive thoughts, but the notion that conservatives live in a bubble is ridiculous.
Pauline Kaelism is IMPOSSIBLE for us. It actually is possible for a lefty not to know anyone personally who votes GOP. It is not possible for a conservative not to know anyone who is a lefty or yellow-dog Dem.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 13, 2012 05:18 PM (C8mVl)

63 Olaf--

How long would your Conservative counterpart last at Daily Kos?

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:18 PM (r2PLg)

64
I'm trying to decide whether I prefer economic collapse to living under an Obamacommunist regime. I'm leaning towards economic collapse.

Posted by: misty at November 13, 2012 05:18 PM (BbwgZ)

65
Posted by: Dildo #2 at November 13, 2012 05:15 PM (t1NLo)





Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 05:18 PM (jUytm)

66 WHAT CAN WE DO, LONG TERM, TO TAKE BACK THE SCHOOLS AND THE CULTURE?

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Any conservative who is willingly sending their children to State schools is a fool.

How do you can think that you can send your small child off to the Union Indoctrination Center at the age of 5, and have them sit there day after day, 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, year after year after year until they are 18 years old, and get a good outcome on that?


Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:18 PM (P6QsQ)

67 Lt. Col. Cumdripper - The Paula Broadwell Story

Posted by: Buck Naked at November 13, 2012 05:18 PM (x9s9/)

68 We have met the enemy and they are us.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2012 05:19 PM (Hx5uv)

69 I am thinking the media would look a lot better with some Louisville Slugger dental work....

whatever the hell they're doing ain't journalism and it ain't ethical.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:19 PM (LRFds)

70 How long would your Conservative counterpart last at Daily Kos?

You doubt their tolerance of differing opinion? I share your smirk.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:19 PM (evdj2)

71 Olaf? We already ate our crow.

Yes, I was dead-set certain, I bought champagne (good champagne) to celebrate with. I was horrified. I'm still horrified.

However, I ate my crow, and now I'm busy analyzing what happened, and do not need to be reminded about the bloody crow. It tasted awful, and it repeats, so you are just redundant.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 05:19 PM (mKMj1)

72
FTA:
"This is what this whole "Should we have foreseen this?" argument is about, as usual. The election was very close -- just 2%. Only a few presidential elections in all of American history were closer."
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Goes only back to 2000 which of course was the ramp up of internet access for the masses. Should a well informed electorate always be this close? Is this what we can expect for the next 100, nay 500 years (provided we last that long)?
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Posted by: CheshireLion at November 13, 2012 05:19 PM (zNDIM)

73 48 Tasker - when the left points at you and makes an accusation, they're generally telling you what they're doing.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 13, 2012 05:15 PM (Yfo5v)

___________

Correct.

That's why Olaf is here complaining about supposed censorship.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:19 PM (r2PLg)

74 Benghazi *was* worse than Watergate.

Fucking libtards.

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:20 PM (jKE+Z)

75 However, I ate my crow, and now I'm busy analyzing
what happened, and do not need to be reminded about the bloody crow. It
tasted awful, and it repeats, so you are just redundant.


Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 05:19 PM (mKMj1)

What she said...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 13, 2012 05:20 PM (9+ccr)

76 34 Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (5bHjh)



Remember the last scene from "3 Days of the Condor" when Condor meets his handler in front of the NY Times? He tells him he gave the story to them and the handler says "what makes you think they'll print it?"

Ironic in terms of what goes on these days, but nonetheless, what makes you think the liberal media will run any story that puts their people in bad light or the movement in danger?

They will quash it, and then they will crush the messenger.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2012 05:20 PM (vCK/R)

77 Olaf, some voted for self determination, you were confident in slavery. Congrats.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 13, 2012 05:20 PM (a804Y)

78 Is this what we can expect for the next 100, nay 500 years

Eventually, or not so eventually, you do run out of other people's money.

Let.it.burn.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:20 PM (evdj2)

79 I think every thread for the next few weeks should start with...
Four States, 400,000 Vote Shortfall as the header.
To put things in context, you know.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 13, 2012 05:20 PM (feFL6)

80
Dudes Who Look Like Chicks 4
starring
Paul A. Broadwell
and
That Lebanese Chick and Her Crazy Twin Sister

Posted by: Buck Naked at November 13, 2012 05:21 PM (x9s9/)

81 Sure, 4 people were murdered in Benghazi, and the president and his henchman lied about it and jailed a guy who had nothing to do with it, but Watergate did give us a really shitty Redford/Hoffman movie, so I say Watergate was much worse.

Posted by: Ted K. at November 13, 2012 05:21 PM (WGggC)

82 which is why Obama had been crying at the end of the campaign and had written a concession speech

Posted by: proggnostisticator at November 13, 2012 05:21 PM (hX8cq)

83 One- We need true conservatives and not
Moderates
Two- Orca & consultants that suck, Schmidt
Should find something else to do, unless he
Wants republicans to lose !

Posted by: CarolT at November 13, 2012 05:21 PM (iy7de)

84 ORCA II in the form of Chris Christy gave Preezy Cakeboy some ill-timed props.

---

Useful idiot selling rope to the Obamunists.

You'd a thought the union threat to Twinkies woulda woken him up.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2012 05:22 PM (Hx5uv)

85 64

I'm trying to decide whether I prefer economic collapse to living
under an Obamacommunist regime. I'm leaning towards economic collapse.


Posted by: misty

I'm not sure it's a matter of preference.

Our fellow citizens (god love 'em) voted for the desired impossible (lots of free stuff). What follows, inevitably, is the disastrous possible.

The crash is going to be epic.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 05:22 PM (mKMj1)

86 I like Hoffman movies. Well, maybe not Ishtar.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:22 PM (evdj2)

87 35 SFGoth,

Yeah...tell that to the poll workers illegally tossed out of their post.

It's not there yet give it another cycle or maybe even the midterms.

not '33 maybe '31......

Obama hearts marx

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:22 PM (LRFds)

88 Benghazi *was* worse than Watergate.



Fucking libtards.

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:20 PM (jKE+Z)

------------
No shit. Bungled burglary attempt versus 4 Americans purposely and intentionally abandoned to die by their "superiors".

*SPIT*

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:22 PM (P6QsQ)

89 You fucked up. You trusted us.

Posted by: The American Electorate at November 13, 2012 05:22 PM (T0NGe)

90 And point 7 as Annie C said, Obama was an incumbent. Just like W was in 2004.

I'm still all in on voter fraud but I guess it's now a metaphysical certainty that there was none and people who early voted and then voted again are just urban legends like baby pigeons and tunnel people.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 05:23 PM (QxSug)

91 Trimegistus - I've been saying that for years, as well as finding ways to force the MFM to cover each other's screwups.
.
I just don't have any money or access to anyone who can get the ball rolling.
.
If you do get anyone interested in actually winning, let us know. I'm in for what it's worth.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 13, 2012 05:23 PM (Yfo5v)

92 I wonder if Martin knows he is the 1st liberal ever to admit that Kael actually said that.

Posted by: AJ Lynch at November 13, 2012 05:23 PM (ASPsd)

93 Okay, even Ishtar. It was so bad it was good.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:23 PM (evdj2)

94 I guess we're stupid for not anticipating the effect of Obama's negative campaign on voter turn-out, although a lot of people here were upset Romney couldn't respond early in the campaign due to campaign finance laws.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 13, 2012 05:23 PM (b+jI9)

95 81 Sure, 4 people were murdered in Benghazi, and the president and his henchman lied about it and jailed a guy who had nothing to do with it, but Watergate did give us a really shitty Redford/Hoffman movie, so I say Watergate was much worse.

Posted by: Ted K. at November 13, 2012 05:21 PM (WGggC)

--Wait and see. Hollywood will probably make a movie with a Benghazi-like storyline and make the evil president a conservative Republican Jesus freak who wants to lock up every Muslim in the U.S.

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:23 PM (jKE+Z)

96 Oh, please. You all are being complete drama queens about this. The USA is finished? Over?

Get a grip. Everything will be just fine.

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:24 PM (t1NLo)

97 It never ceases to amaze me how confident some liberals are when they make the most ridiculous generalizations or blanket statements. It never occurs to them that they partake in a false narrative just like most everyone else.

Posted by: Josef at November 13, 2012 05:24 PM (hBCNH)

98 Olaf, what is your share of the national debt?

Answer the question, BB balls.

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:24 PM (O6q63)

99 And BTW, since we're all a bunch of hate filled haters, we should have made Obama own ObamaPhoneLady among other things.

If Obama was going to be mr. stealth gay marriage, maybe at least force him to wear Lena Dunham on his chest instead of getting the urban slut vote and the urban not so slutty vote.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 05:24 PM (QxSug)

100

Benghazi anecdote:

After the attack my BIL asked two clients what they thought about Benghazi. One said it was Bush's fault, the other asked, "Who is Ben Ghazi?".

Now, multiply by fifty million or so...

Posted by: Justamom at November 13, 2012 05:24 PM (Sptt8)

101 Look on the bright side. Once the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century it took only until the fifteenth century to get civilization back on course with the Renaissance. And things will move faster now do to improved technology. Well, hell, in five hundred years we could be right back where we were in 1980.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2012 05:24 PM (Hx5uv)

102 One day Olaf will look back and wonder how he could have celebrated his own enslavement. That is, unless he's fulfilled with a free Obamaphone and an EBT card.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2012 05:25 PM (QKKT0)

103 We ran a substantive campaign based solely around economic concerns and competency.


The Obama ran a campaign not on his record but on social issues and fear.

He won, we lost.

Now having lost an election by very slim margins, the GOP is set to capitulate utterly and completely!


Wonderful.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 05:25 PM (RrD4h)

104 Olaf, your food stamps are gonna be $50/month light next year.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 13, 2012 05:25 PM (a804Y)

105 Ace,
This is a BRILLIANT post. thanks thanks thanks.

Republicans need to chill the fuck out. Time to hone the messenge, the messenger, and kill the other fucking side.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 13, 2012 05:25 PM (tVTLU)

106 Look on the bright side. Once the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century
it took only until the fifteenth century to get civilization back on
course with the Renaissance.



Hey, WTF?

Posted by: Charlemagne at November 13, 2012 05:25 PM (QKKT0)

107 which is why Obama had been crying at the end of the campaign and had written a concession speech

I turned Chris Matthews on shortly after the polls closed and he looked like he had been crying. Then it was 33 EVs for Romney, 3 Obama and he looked like he was ready to rip the hip flask from his pocket.

They knew they were going to lose, but somehow won.
Sorry, math involved...
(WTF x infinity)

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 13, 2012 05:25 PM (feFL6)

108 I was pretty damned near catatonic for about a week after the election. Seriously. At one point I actually spent a few minutes thinking about whether I wanted to continue living in the country that once was America.

What brought me around, ironically, was an essay by John C. Wright about how Christians have lived under persecution before, and should trust in God rather than government.

See, I'm not a believer (although in passing I should note the triumph of evil in recent years has done more to make me consider the existence of God than anything in my life -- if Satan is real, then so is God, and Obama's career seems positively Satanic).

Since I'm not a believer, I can't fall back on trusting God and looking forward to justice in the afterlife. I'm stuck with this world. And I finally decided that America is worth fighting for even if it's fucked up. The America in my head is worth fighting for. (Charles De Gaulle had the same attitude about France: his idea of France was what he was fighting for, not the corrupt republic which surrendered to Hitler.)

If we're doomed anyway, we may as well go down swinging.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2012 05:26 PM (5bHjh)

109 http://punditshaming.tumblr.com/

These people were lying to you, or else they were simply stupid.

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:26 PM (t1NLo)

110 Good analogy, Ace. The fact is that the world is an uncertain place and it's all probabilities in the end. The only certainties are death and taxes, after all.

The whole "Democrats are all wicked smart" ignores the fact that Obama pulled in about 80% of the high school dropout vote. Really, at the upper echelons of political thought, there is no distinction in intelligence among the various schools of thought.

Where I think the Left has always been blind is that they completely underestimate the costs of coordinated action across large non-kin groups with disparate incentives. That's why they always fail to see the way their systems can be gamed or thwarted, because they can't understand why anyone would want to game or thwart them. So, they build what they think are brilliant edifices on this foundation of sand and then when they fail, they blame others rather than revisit their axioms. They're not all stupid, it's just that even the smartest ones are using their intelligence in the service of false premises regarding the costs of involuntary coordinated action among non-kin.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 13, 2012 05:26 PM (P2Ufm)

111 Four States, 400,000 Vote Shortfall

400,000 people who would have voted Romney if we had pre-printed ballots for them on the back of bags of Cheetohs.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 05:26 PM (FcR7P)

112 They knew they were going to lose, but somehow won.
Sorry, math involved...
(WTF x infinity)


Stir that shit pot. I'm going to.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 13, 2012 05:26 PM (ogdab)

113 Everything will be just fine.

Because you wish it so? If interest rates on sovereign debt return to their historical norms, ever penny of the current income tax will have to go to service the current debt. What will the free shit army do then? How do you propose preventing it from happening? Will the world just go on loaning us 19% of GDP forever? Will we simply default?

Curious minds want to know.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:26 PM (evdj2)

114 Olaf is David Frum

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 05:27 PM (60GaT)

115 Olaf, tell us whatyour share of the national debt is.

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:27 PM (O6q63)

116 And BTW, since we're all a bunch of hate filled haters, we should have made Obama own ObamaPhoneLady among other things.

---

Speaking of blatant racism, Victoria's Secret was forced to abandon this racist costume.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ba4mm8w

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2012 05:27 PM (Hx5uv)

117 I really got sick of Romney saying TFG is a
Good man, who did that help? Undecideds
& let us not forget Christie kisding. TFG's butt
And crying because Springsteen called!
These also hurt us!

Posted by: CarolT at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (g2ldK)

118 53
35 No, you don't.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (dZ756)


Why would you say this? I should think that my relatives, some who
got out of Cologne as late as '38, and some who survived Auschwitz were
credible first hand witnesses.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton
///
I have a relative who survived Auschwitz too (what a club) and I have a copy of a letter written by a distant cousin, in Prague, March 9, 1939, begging for help to get out. I don't remotely make blithe statements like I know how Jews in Germany felt in 1933, like the centerpiece of Mein Kampf was raising taxes on wealthy Jews.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (dZ756)

119 Don't fear the math, Olaf. Tell us your share of the national debt.

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (O6q63)

120 Hey, WTF?
Posted by: Charlemagne


Yeah, you sound all fancy with that French name. You're still Karl der Große to me!

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (FcR7P)

121 Truth be told, a lot of liberals are still in shock that they won. Obama no doubt being one of them. While the right continues to stumble through the Stages of Grief, the left doesn't really know what to do with themselves.

Gloat? Yeah. They have been gloating. But aside from an ad hoc reach-around tournament, neither the left wing pundits nor politicians have taken any initiative to seize the moment. Aside from the odd Assault Weapons Ban trial balloon from Diane Feinstein, there's been no new action from the left. Heck, we've seen more strategic movement on the right from Bobby Jindal, Rand Paul and Bill Kristol, and we're the ones who lost.

Why?

Because the left was braced for impact with the Iron Pimp Hand of Electoral Defeat, and they're as shocked as we are that Romney is the one picking up his teeth with broken hands and not Obama. They didn't see their own victory coming, and they weren't prepared to capitalize on it.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (27tUc)

122 I now freely enjoy the suffering of core democrat constituencies. High unemployment, low wages, skyrocketing education costs, urban infrastructure deterioration, urban crime - it's all good!

Posted by: always look on the bright side of life at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (x9s9/)

123 Once the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century it took only until the
fifteenth century to get civilization back on course with the
Renaissance.


There was Western Civilization around before the fifteenth century. Barbarians can't make Chartres.

If you haven't canceled your Netflix in a tantrum yet, get Kenneth Clark's _Civilisation_ series.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (/kI1Q)

124 You cannot play Prevent Defense or run out the clock in politics.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (jucos)

125 Tells us about the national debt, Olaf. For how much are you responsible?

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:28 PM (O6q63)

126 Olaf--show us where Elmo touched you.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:29 PM (r2PLg)

127 I have figured out the Democrat party's business model:

The Producers.

Eventually each of the preferred groups will realize that they were promised the other groups' share.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2012 05:29 PM (T0NGe)

128 "This is just further evidence why I believe he (Romney) will sweep the midwest and win this election going away. And I am now predicting a 330 electoral vote landslide. Yes, that’s right. 330 electoral votes."

-Larry Kudlow

You guys still watch his show?

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:29 PM (t1NLo)

129 106 Look on the bright side. Once the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century
it took only until the fifteenth century to get civilization back on
course with the Renaissance.


Hey, WTF?

Posted by: Charlemagne at November 13, 2012 05:25 PM (QKKT0)

--Depends. So much knowledge is electronic now I shudder to think what a massive EMP-type attack would do. The Middle Ages had the monks and the Byzantines preserving the wisdom and knowledge of the Classical Era; I hope we have their counterparts today.

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:29 PM (jKE+Z)

130 I ran into the same issue with the Supreme Court on the mandate. I was stupid see, because I thought the mandate was unconstitutional, an opponent, after the ruling came out chided me for being so wrong while he was so right.

Lost in the gloating was the fact that no one correctly predicted the reason for it's passage. John Roberts deciding it is a tax. We were both actually wrong on the rationale, but since it fell his way, well he was simply more intelligent and rational than me.

He's a jerk-off, that is simple science.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 13, 2012 05:29 PM (gedHR)

131 My son, in talking about Benghazi last night, said he is seriously considering leaving the Army. He said that he has to think carefully about being willing to defend:


A) A country full of people not willing to make even the smallest sacrifice themselves (free phones and birth control pills), but perfectly content to let others sacrifice their very lives.


B) an administration that asks its soldiers to protect the country, but will not protect its soldiers.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:30 PM (P6QsQ)

132 @121

Why would they, the GOP is about to give them everything they want and then some.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 05:30 PM (RrD4h)

133 113 Toby 928th,

The new republic that you know makes money may gift the entire national debt going with us as our salute to the history we'll demand custody of....

Olaf at the rate your fuckhead would be godling spends we'd own half your land again in 16 years.

FOAD

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:30 PM (LRFds)

134 Olaf, no one watches Kudlow except, apparently, you.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 13, 2012 05:30 PM (b+jI9)

135 I voted to be a slave of the government and I'm damn proud of it! I've got my obama fo, what you fools got?

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:30 PM (/YJYi)

136 The national debt, Olaf: How much is your share?

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:31 PM (O6q63)

137 No respectable person would serve this country now.

Posted by: always look on the bright side of life at November 13, 2012 05:31 PM (x9s9/)

138 Who's Kudlow?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 05:31 PM (dZ756)

139 Because the left was braced for impact with the Iron Pimp Hand of
Electoral Defeat, and they're as shocked as we are that Romney is the
one picking up his teeth with broken hands and not Obama. They didn't
see their own victory coming, and they weren't prepared to capitalize on
it.


They really didn't want it. They always like power, but they set so many bombs to blow up under a Republican administration that they don't remember the abort codes.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2012 05:31 PM (T0NGe)

140 Olaf is Jon the Troll.

Don't bother.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 05:31 PM (SX6wc)

141 131 Mama Wonger:

remember this marine's cryptic answer to a reporter.

"Ma'am America is not at war the USMC is at war, America is at the mall."

We'll try for the pension but if they screw us we'll never look back.

No boots on US soil no volunteering again ever.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (LRFds)

142 66--- If I were rich, I'd spend my money funding conservative schools. I'd do it in the suburbs and I'd do it in the cities, especially the barrios. Sure, some of the kids will go off the rails later, but most will not. At least they will know something about the Western and American heritage.

My daughter is teaching at a classical Christian school. She had a public-school offer this year, which would have earned her a lot more money, but she decided she was doing more for America's future right where she is, teaching old-fashioned values.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (C8mVl)

143 Olaf don't you think you would be better off without the Red States keeping the Blue States down. Don't you think you and your like thinking brothers could make a better country without us? You should push for a dissolution of the Union to form your own Utopia of Progressives where you could really put forward you political policies with no stupid Republicans to stymie your efforts.

Please spread this concept to your people. I promise the Red States will go along with this peacefully.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (m2CN7)

144 Well, that was quick.. They're already polling on who is to blame if we don't stop the "fiscal cliff" Surprise! It's the Republican Congress... Never saw that coming...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (9+ccr)

145 And to answer my own question, we will get the worst of both worlds by defaulting in fact, by monetizing the debt in Weimar proportions, and still be carrying it on the books. Because it's the easiest politically. Inflation being a hidden tax.

The Boning II: Dangerous Liasons.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (evdj2)

146 Logprof, I've printed out every post and thread at this site to ensure the cutting-edge insight and wisdom would be passed on to the next generation of Morons.

The "fucks" alone weigh 18 pounds.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (Ec6wH)

147 121 121
Truth be told, a lot of liberals are still in shock that they won. Obama
no doubt being one of them. While the right continues to stumble
through the Stages of Grief, the left doesn't really know what to do
with themselves.
====
The Left is about "critique" not "accountability". They know that the only reason Clinton could accept accountability was because he got lucky with the tech boom. Obama will have no such luck and, unless he can psychologically adapt Americans to accepting the kind of shit sandwich economy we will be in for the next 4 years (more specifically, he's clearly got minorities adapted to it, the question will be whether whites will continue to accept his "new normal". If not, the next GOP nominee could win 65% of the white vote), he and his ideas will be held accountable and wanting.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (P2Ufm)

148 re: 'Why were they pre-spinning--"The Election in Ohio was Stolen"--if they knew it was full of win?'

That spin wasn't pre-gaming the post-election; it was just rilin' their people up by adding Romney's son's name to the list of People You Hate If You're A Decent Person.

All coverage of non-leftists is fundamentally about generating a *list* of the shunned. And it's brilliant (as both "strategy" and "tactic").

I mean, can you name a losing Democratic candidate's kid? Name the cokehead Biden kid. Name Gore's crazy drug-driving son. Can you? No.

But you can name a bunch of Romney's and Palin's kids. They have ten, right? I can name 70% of them, and I haven't seen a single second of TV news in at least twenty years.

You can't beat that.

Posted by: oblig. at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (cePv8)

149 **103 We ran a substantive campaign based solely around economic concerns and competency.


The Obama ran a campaign not on his record but on social issues and fear.**

I know, right? If we had embraced some values issues, then we'd have moved the needle. Obama staked out the evangelical gaytheist vote and the ObamaPhoneVoter why couldn't we have done more of that too.

It's one of the ways we won in the 80's and 90's, take a position and defend it.

Instead, Romney couldn't even call GM workers and Union thug teachers making 6 figures without any performance evaluations an issue to those of us who have to deal with real world performance evals.

And what the fuck was obama's tax and teachers plan?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (QxSug)

150 Olaf is Jon the Troll

Whoever he is, he fears math.

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (O6q63)

151 131 My son, in talking about Benghazi last night, said he is seriously considering leaving the Army. He said that he has to think carefully about being willing to defend:


A) A country full of people not willing to make even the smallest sacrifice themselves (free phones and birth control pills), but perfectly content to let others sacrifice their very lives.


B) an administration that asks its soldiers to protect the country, but will not protect its soldiers.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:30 PM (P6QsQ)

--Are we getting feedback on how the military voted? Cancelling Tri-Care was a nice way for Barky to say, "Dear Military: Fuck you. Yours, Barry P.S. You suck."

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (jKE+Z)

152 Who cares about the national debt? Don't know nothing about it and don't care. I got my free shit and I'm happy. Who cares that the unemployment rate hasn't really gone down under Obama. Romney was an evil rich white guy who oppressed my immigrant grandparents. I don't know how he oppressed them but I'm sure he did.

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (/YJYi)

153 96
Oh, please. You all are being complete drama queens about this. The USA is finished? Over?



Get a grip. Everything will be just fine.

Posted by: Olaf

Olaf, we're 16 trillion dollars in debt, with a current account deficit of $1 trillion.

No, everything will not be just fine.

Our idiot electorate has voted for more entitlements, and no cuts in any kind of spending, and regulation that will put more people out of work as more businesses close.

There is no way everything will be just fine.

With the best will in the world, with sacrificial fire in their hearts, the productive of this country cannot carry the burden that is being set on their shoulders. Simple math - not high order mathematics involving Greek letters standing for whole concepts, not even algebra - tells you that you cannot carry the debt, its growth, entitlements and their growth, plus every other program desired by the people with the economy presently being hobbled and hampered.

Nothing is going to be just fine.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (mKMj1)

154 Ace,
The bigger question is how is the Democratic Party able to maintain a coalition of voters cobbled together during electicons, yet if you threw them into a room, they would kill each other (both figuratively and literally)? Yet the Republicans cannot?
Democratic Voting Blocks
Union members = Anti-gay (Marriage, but also mostly just anti-gay), anti-abortion, racist, religious, pro-gun, masogynist
Environmentalists = Pro-gay, pro-abortion (due to the population bomb), anti-religion (Gaia is their god), anti-gun
African Americans = Anti-gay (Look at Kobe's comment a few years ago), anti-abortion (mostly), religious, reverse racist, masogynist
Latinos = Anti-gay-ish, pro-gun-ish, religious, masogynist
Liberated Women = Pro-gay, pro-abortion/contraception, anti-gun
Students = Well, most students think by being for or against what their professors tell them they are in the minority and are making a difference, but really they are just sheep, and haven't changed in the 20 years since I left college - when 80% of them all agree on the same stuff, they are not being rebelious
How can the Democrats get these groups to vote(disregarding the free-stuff issue, which must be corrected by not voting for a debt ceiling raise andstarving the beast)for a specific social issue, yet, rebublicans cannot target and successfully get them to vote for their other issues? For example, most union members are anti-gay (marriage), anti-abortion and pro-gun, and Republicans can't get them to support them by making the data-mining of pro-gun appealing to them.
Of all of these groups, unions are the easiest to swing into the republican camp, and there are plenty of other voters in those groups that can be brought into the fold without getting away from liberty, limited government, free market capitalism, personal freedom, personal responsibility, etc.
What is your take?

Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (WAUbf)

155 57 million people or so is not a bubble. Maybe not a majority, but not a bubble either.

100 guys camping out in Zuccotti Park--that's a bubble.

Posted by: A. at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (VnIQw)

156 They should be in shock they won since they had no idea how close it would be even with the amount of voter fraud they committed.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 05:34 PM (QxSug)

157 My daughter is teaching at a classical Christian
school. She had a public-school offer this year, which would have
earned her a lot more money, but she decided she was doing more for
America's future right where she is, teaching old-fashioned values.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (C8mVl)
----------------

God bless her. God bless people like her.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:34 PM (P6QsQ)

158 You guys still watch his show?

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:29 PM (t1NLo)

--How many times are you going to ignore the question already posed to, yet expect us to read your troll droppings.

STFU

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:34 PM (jKE+Z)

159 adding Romney's son's name to the list of People You Hate If You're A Decent Person.


All coverage of non-leftists is fundamentally about generating a *list*
of the shunned. And it's brilliant (as both "strategy" and "tactic").


I mean, can you name a losing Democratic candidate's kid? Name the
cokehead Biden kid. Name Gore's crazy drug-driving son. Can you? No.


But you can name a bunch of Romney's and Palin's kids. They have ten,
right? I can name 70% of them, and I haven't seen a single second of TV
news in at least twenty years.


So true. Liberalism is an Enemies List.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2012 05:34 PM (T0NGe)

160 Whoever he is, he fears math.

I try not to look the demon in the eyes myself.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:34 PM (evdj2)

161 Eventually each of the preferred groups will realize that they were promised the other groups' share.

I don't see it. I see them blaming greedy [Republicans, conservatives, white people, rich people, snaggle-toothed cousin-humpers in Indiana, people who unfairly and selfishly were born to married parents, whatever] for keeping them from getting the shit they were promised.

They've been trained to react that way, just like they've been trained to hit the lever for a food pellet.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 13, 2012 05:35 PM (/kI1Q)

162 154

what's with the promiscuous use of "masgoynist?" i can't tell if you're serious

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 05:35 PM (60GaT)

163 What is that I read in comments? O wrote
a concession speech? This is first I have heard
This

Posted by: CarolT at November 13, 2012 05:35 PM (IS2o0)

164 All coverage of non-leftists is fundamentally about generating a *list* of the shunned. And it's brilliant (as both "strategy" and "tactic").

I mean, can you name a losing Democratic candidate's kid? Name the cokehead Biden kid. Name Gore's crazy drug-driving son. Can you? No.

But you can name a bunch of Romney's and Palin's kids. They have ten, right? I can name 70% of them, and I haven't seen a single second of TV news in at least twenty years.

You can't beat that.
Posted by: oblig. at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (cePv

________________

So basically--

Mean Girls and high school peer pressure--we are the cool kids" tactics on steroids?

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:36 PM (r2PLg)

165 oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, Obama got to wink wink support OWS without ever having to defend them.

Sort of like Obamaphone voters, gaytheist voters, gun grabbing voters, coal bashing voters, etc.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 05:36 PM (QxSug)

166 And crying because Springsteen called!


He even begged me to sing Jungleland over the phone. I couldn't take it anymore. I didn't know a wingnut could snivel like that.

Posted by: Tbe Boss of Nothing at November 13, 2012 05:36 PM (vbh31)

167 151 Logprof,

the deployed military didn't get to vote.

DoD made sure of that....

let it burn soldiers aren;t slaves.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:36 PM (LRFds)

168 JournOlist II: The Obamaning

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 13, 2012 05:36 PM (UOM48)

169 Name the

cokehead Biden kid.


Ashley.

Name Gore's crazy drug-driving son.

AlGoreIII.

Can you? No.

Fffft.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 13, 2012 05:36 PM (/kI1Q)

170 Logprof, I've printed out every post and thread at
this site to ensure the cutting-edge insight and wisdom would be passed
on to the next generation of Morons.



The "fucks" alone weigh 18 pounds.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 13, 2012 05:32 PM (Ec6wH)

I hope you haven't got any teenage interns helping you sort things out. Those illiterate bastards will get a bunch of "the guys get shirts" into the "but first you will blow me" stack.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2012 05:36 PM (Hx5uv)

171 by the way I agree that the Dem coalition may be unstable. I don't think union workers are all "masgoynist" (sic) and saying that sounds like the inverse of the Left's demonization of middle America

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 05:37 PM (60GaT)

172 In other news, Ken Salazar believes that he punches above his weight.

Posted by: Colorado Springs Gazette at November 13, 2012 05:37 PM (7zBFV)

173 Sefton: the key is to frame this as "celebrity gossip" rather than "conservative attacks." Keep the focus on media figures, not politicians. Don't attack Obama; destroy his enablers and supporters in the media. How many votes is it worth if, say, Rachel Maddow has to step down because it turns out she's a tax evader? Or if Ed Schultz once groped an intern?

Remember, everyone in media wants to be at the top. Knocking off the ones who are there already makes room for people to move up. Personal ambition should trump ideological solidarity -- especially in the new, improved, permanent Democrat majority America.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2012 05:37 PM (5bHjh)

174 Ace, The bigger question is how is the Democratic Party able to maintain a coalition of voters cobbled together during electicons, yet if you threw them into a room, they would kill each other (both figuratively and literally)? Yet the Republicans cannot?
Democratic Voting Block:
Union members = Anti-gay (Marriage, but also mostly just anti-gay), anti-abortion, racist, religious, pro-gun, masogynist Environmentalists = Pro-gay, pro-abortion (due to the population bomb), anti-religion (Gaia is their god), anti-gun African Americans = Anti-gay (Look at Kobe's comment a few years ago), anti-abortion (mostly), religious, reverse racist, masogynist Latinos = Anti-gay-ish, pro-gun-ish, religious, masogynist Liberated Women = Pro-gay, pro-abortion/contraception, anti-gun Students = Well, most students think by being for or against what their professors tell them they are in the minority and are making a difference, but really they are just sheep, and haven't changed in the 20 years since I left college - when 80% of them all agree on the same stuff, they are not being rebelious
How can the Democrats get these groups to vote(disregarding the free-stuff issue, which must be corrected by not voting for a debt ceiling raise andstarving the beast)for a specific social issue, yet, rebublicans cannot target and successfully get them to vote for their other issues? For example, most union members are anti-gay (marriage), anti-abortion and pro-gun, and Republicans can't get them to support them by making the data-mining of pro-gun appealing to them.
Of all of these groups, unions are the easiest to swing into the republican camp, and there are plenty of other voters in those groups that can be brought into the fold without getting away from liberty, limited government, free market capitalism, personal freedom, personal responsibility, etc. What is your take?

(Reposted with spacing, so as to not be annoying to read, I had to kick my own ass after I saw it in its previous form)

Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at November 13, 2012 05:37 PM (WAUbf)

175 QUO VADIS?

Posted by: Hobo with a bayonet at November 13, 2012 05:37 PM (TVtzh)

176 I had business to conduct in the city today, and it's just easier to walk around than try and drive. So I walked.

Maybe it's just my imagination but there were far more urban outdoorsmen asking for donations, holding up signs,with paper cups for spare change.

I feel sorry for them, but with so many hands out, I didn't want to stop and there's nothing I can really do anyway.

Along with everybody else on the sidewalk, I steered clear of them and walked faster.

Posted by: Boots at November 13, 2012 05:37 PM (neKzn)

177 100 guys camping out in Zuccotti Park--that's a bubble.
Posted by: A. at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (VnIQw)


_________________________

I think that's something stinkier than a bubble--

that's a methane biosphere.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:38 PM (r2PLg)

178 Are we getting feedback on how the military voted?
Cancelling Tri-Care was a nice way for Barky to say, "Dear Military:
Fuck you. Yours, Barry P.S. You suck."



Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (jKE+Z)

-------------
I think they were all set to do exit polling on the military vote, but the fact that they were sent out too late hindered that a little bit. Not to mention the planeloads of ballots coming back that went POOF in a fireball.

Too bad for the military. They just get to get their legs blown off and their eyes blinded to insure us the right to vote. Doesn't actually turn out that they get the same consideration.
Oh well. No big loss. I'm sure all of them, or at least 99% would have gone to Obama anyway. Because they all live in Philly.

do I sound bitter? yeah , I sound bitter

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:38 PM (P6QsQ)

179
>> Like the fat loser at the bar who still wants to talk about the time he won Trivia Night six years ago.

Daaaaaamn ace. That hurts. That really hurts man.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 13, 2012 05:38 PM (WvXvd)

180 oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, Obama got to wink wink support OWS without ever having to defend them.



Sort of like Obamaphone voters, gaytheist voters, gun grabbing voters, coal bashing voters, etc.


Obama never got gotcha questions.

He could always pretend to be on both sides of an issue. Or whatever side you wanted to hear. The fact that he relented to same-sex marriage shows how rare it is.

He never had to defend the wackier Democrats.

Then again, no Democrat is ever asked to deal with extreme members of their coalition.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2012 05:39 PM (T0NGe)

181 Or not.

Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at November 13, 2012 05:39 PM (WAUbf)

182 You cannot play Prevent Defense or run out the clock in politics.

Perhaps you should explain to the non-football types what one coach said of the 'Prevent Defense' -- ''it only prevents you from winning''.

But I get your point, Romney kept gaining, incrementally, then lost in the last couple of days. That lesson must not be forgotten.

Sort of like some famous writer described a bankruptcy as, 'gradually, then suddenly'.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 13, 2012 05:39 PM (feFL6)

183 October was the first month of the Federal Fiscal Year. It is reported that the deficit was 120,000,000,000.00. That would set us up this year (if all things stay the same, which they won't) to have a deficit of 1,440,000,000,000.00. Math is going to win. It always does. My guess is once the fiscal cliff comes a lot more jobs will be lost and businesses will shutter. Our debt for fiscal '13 will be well over $2 Trillion dollars. Sleep tight my friends.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 13, 2012 05:40 PM (jucos)

184 also lol@the article saying "a cadre of Republicans under 50"

goddamn 50+ conservatives!! why aren't they dead yet??

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 05:40 PM (60GaT)

185 Ace, is dead on.

This is the same bullshit the cryptomarxists pull out of their asses every. single. time.

Like blaming Bush for everything - in retrospect lots of screwups - therefore "BoooooshCheneyHaliburton"

Like General "Betrayus" - wrong factually but turned out to be more realistic than anyone had thought.
All these dickheads care about is playing games and being validated.

With these leftist assholes, not only do the ends justify the means, but reverse engineering the outcome leads to the ability to justify whatever the hell they want to justify.

It's a con used by every pro "psychic" in the biz .

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 05:40 PM (EZl54)

186 @176:

This why I always keep a pocketful of Obama fake silver dollars.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 13, 2012 05:40 PM (a804Y)

187 178 Mama Winger,

I know.

Stoke the fire and keep it alive for what comes next.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:40 PM (LRFds)

188 160 Whoever he is, he fears math.

I try not to look the demon in the eyes myself.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:34 PM (evdj2)

______________

But, but--you watched--Ishtar.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:40 PM (r2PLg)

189 do I sound bitter? yeah , I sound bitter

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:38 PM (P6QsQ)

--No, you're being real. Demotards whine about "voter suppression" bogeymen but they actually practice it against the military, and those most in harm's way at that.

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:40 PM (jKE+Z)

190 Longer version:

ORCA failure, low information ads, Hurricane Sandy (along with Christie posturing), margin of fraud, Libertarian Party getting their highest vote total ever, ...

Shorter version:

The Perfect Storm

Sometimes if it wasn't for dumb luck there'd be no luck at all.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 13, 2012 05:41 PM (kqqGm)

191 Listen to us, we have your best interests at heart.

Posted by: Media concern trolls at November 13, 2012 05:41 PM (60GaT)

192 Speaking of narrative, there's no "Guess the Party" in this article.

http://tinyurl.com/adoawf5

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 13, 2012 05:41 PM (piMMO)

193 Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (WAUbf)


-----------------------------------------------


The unions suck on the tit ofgovernment as much the 'bama-pho woman. Who supports them and keeps giving them power? They've been in the democrats' pocket for decades.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2012 05:41 PM (TcgGc)

194
alert me when the media stops framing every singlewordin a way that lionizes liberal progressive viewpoints and demonizes conservatives.
I mean eversingle article, debate question, op-ed, that the MFM puts out is designed to make the conservative view to government look bad.
We couldwin in an honest marketplace of ideas.
Yes, the grasshoppers voted themselves the ants surplus. But the media convinced them that it was the thing to do.

Posted by: California Red at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (icSBv)

195 Jane, it's more like JournoList MCMXLVII.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (Yfo5v)

196 Eh, you all are overreacting. Give yourself a few years and read your comments again. It's crazy drama-heavy in here.

Posted by: OlafwhoisnotGregcertainlyNo at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (t1NLo)

197 Some of you guys need to get over this Palin shit. Seriously, she quit her job to get a reality tv show. She's o.v.e.r. If you can't hack a full term as the governor of Alaska, I'm pretty sure the American people are going to know that you don't have it in you to lead the free world. Geeze, who cares if you like her boobs.

Posted by: Mrsp at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (tgRSU)

198
Did you know that most or all of the pundits that work at "Politico" also work at leftwing thing tanks?

Oh yes.

Not that anyone is surprised.

Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (O7ksG)

199 "In this reassuring conservative pocket universe, Rasmussen polls are
gospel, the Benghazi controversy is worse than Watergate, “Fair and
Balanced” isn’t just marketing and Dick Morris is a political seer."

See, here's the Amazing Ironical Irony about that: How many conservatives does this guy actually know, listen to, or read? How many of us were taking Morris at his word? How many of us were depending upon Ras only? How many of us have no use for Sheppy, Geraldho, or O'Really?

This dude doesn't really know how conservatives think or talk. He just knows the stereotype of how they think and talk.

As for the Benghazi "controversy"... yes, that's all this is, a controversy. Please show me the body count for Watergate. I'll even spot you a dead American ambassador.

Idiot.

Posted by: Filly at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (5DcAR)

200
174...(Reposted with spacing, so as to not be annoying to read, I had to kick my own ass after I saw it in its previous form)

Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at November 13, 2012 05:37 PM (WAUbf)

-----------

Spacing here is a problem.
Not sure what you tried...but it didn't work.

What works for me, is:
one space + enter[or return]
Do this for every line break you want to create...double it, when you want to create a line space between paragraphs.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (ICEh3)

201 By the way, what Ace is talking about is what I have coined "The Social Scientific Method".

(1) Observe natural phenomenon.
(2) Develop a hypothesis based on your preconceived notions.
(3) Obtain data selected to prove the hypothesis.
(4) If the data contradicts the hypothesis, reject it for more favorable data.
(5) Continue until you find data that proves the hypothesis.
(6) Science!

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (T0NGe)

202 But, but--you watched--Ishtar.

I was compelled. It was like the Titanic striking an traveling orphanage for lost poker playing dogs.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (evdj2)

203 @174
You might be on to something with the micro targeting of these blocks. I don't think we can win any of them as groups, but we might convince enough of them that the Dem canidates are bastards so don't vote

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 13, 2012 05:43 PM (t06LC)

204 Cancelling Tri-Care was a nice way for Barky to say, "Dear Military: Fuck you. Yours, Barry P.S. You suck."
Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:33 PM (jKE+Z)


He did NOT cancel Tricare. What I think your talking about is restructuring Tricare Prime for those that do not live near a Military Hospital/Facility. Tricare prime is like an HMO but in most cases it requires you to see Military Docs which pretty much requires you to live near a base. Because some people, about 170,000 retires do not, they are being transferred to Tricare Standard which lets them go to almost any Doc but also has co-pays and deductibles. So it is a little more expensive.

A) This was planned way back in 2007 before obama
B) in my humble opinion your better off with Tricare Standard than Tricare Prime for a whole host of reasons
C) it is still far far far and then very far more better and cheaper than any plan you could possibly get as a civilian.

And remember I hate obama so I am not covering for him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:43 PM (79ueO)

205 196

go to Kos or something dude. People're allowed to "overreact" the same way your side said the apocalypse was happening when Bush won a second time

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 05:43 PM (60GaT)

206 Speaking of narrative, there's no "Guess the Party" in this article.

She has crazy eyes, for you daring sorts.

Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (O6q63)

207 This why I always keep a pocketful of Obama fake silver dollars.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 13, 2012 05:40 PM (a804Y)

--I need to get some of those. If they are not out there already, someone needs to make a trillion dollar bill with Zero on it.

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (jKE+Z)

208 Test
Test
Test

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (SX6wc)

209 Olaf urges complacency and acquiescence. Do we need any additional proof that now is the time for action?

Remember the Liberal Position Generator: they always say the opposite of what a normal, sane, adult would.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (5bHjh)

210 ORCA failure, low information ads, Hurricane Sandy (along with Christie
posturing), margin of fraud, Libertarian Party getting their highest
vote total ever, ...


Meh, this shouldn't have been close.

And if Americans weren't so racist, it wouldn't be.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (T0NGe)

211 Give yourself a few years and read your comments again.

So you have nothing for the concrete questions posed to you. Your faith in your failed god is an interesting phenomenon.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (evdj2)

212 In the Land of the Blind the One Eyed Man is King!

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (jucos)

213 "I don't see it. I see them blaming greedy
[Republicans, conservatives, white people, rich people, snaggle-toothed
cousin-humpers in Indiana, people who unfairly and selfishly were born
to married parents, whatever] for keeping them from getting the shit
they were promised.

They've been trained to react that way, just like they've been trained to hit the lever for a food pellet.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 13, 2012 05:35 PM (/kI1Q)"Even if they do blame these people, what are they going to do about it? Most of the Left is concentrated in a few areas. Are they going to go marauding in the Romney-voting areas? Those snaggle-toothed cousin humpers will pick them off one by one.
The bulk of the Left's problems in the coming decades are geographic. They simply don't have the manpower or skills to do what they want, which is micromanage an entire continent. No one in history ever has. Even the Soviets, who were a far sight more intelligent than the Obama's of the world (notice how much of a beta male Obama was in speaking on the hit mic to Medvedev? It's because he knows that guy and Putin are a thousand times the man Obama is. They have to be to run that mess of a country) couldn't do it. "Data analytics" might help you win an election, but it isn't going to matter when "the enemy" is scattered over the entire continent and is fighting on his home turf when you'd rather be back in your Upper West Side co-op watching Will Grace reruns.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (P2Ufm)

214 @199:"This dude doesn't really know how conservatives think or talk. He just knows the stereotype of how they think and talk."
--
And how many people do you think believe that he does and take his word for it?

...That's our problem in a nutshell.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 05:44 PM (1arTe)

215 196 Eh, you all are overreacting. Give yourself a few years and read your comments again. It's crazy drama-heavy in here.
Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 05:42 PM (t1NLo)

_____________________

You know why you are here, Olaf?

It's that nagging feeling that you fear.

Republicans won't be responsible, anymore.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 05:45 PM (r2PLg)

216 197 Marsp,

are we factoring in golf time?'

I hear the 'cuda hates golf so even if she did the job a year straight and showed up at all her briefings she'd work more than Pgabe.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:45 PM (LRFds)

217 PS the suppression of the military vote ¤is¤ vote fraud. On a massive scale.
.
And it wasn't an accident any more than it was the last couple of elections.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 13, 2012 05:45 PM (Yfo5v)

218 "Bill Clinton's sex scandals were his own; no larger lessons about the Democratic Party could be drawn. Cold Cash Jefferson's freezer full of bribes was just one man's failing. Etcetera."

----


*squirt*

Posted by: Anthony Weiner, nothing to see here at November 13, 2012 05:46 PM (w41GQ)

219 by the way, I'm not apocalyptic, not cuz I'm at total peace with the outcome, but because I seriously doubt Bammer's Glorious Rainbow Coalition won't crack in the not-so-distant future. we'll see.

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 05:46 PM (60GaT)

220 The problem with the republican hierarchy is that none of them take this seriously.

And speaking of seriously - there is nothing obama is proposing that the Republican elite is not ok with.

Posted by: George at November 13, 2012 05:46 PM (qBLA2)

221 Yeah guys, no reason to be concerned about 16 trillion in debt, or the fact that the deficit for October 2012 was $22 billion more than it was October 2011.



Who cares that if the work force had the same participation rate now that it had when Obama took office the unemployment rate would be nearly 11%!!! These are non issues, Obama won and now I've got my free shit. 11% unemployment is just the new normal, nothing to be concerned over!



And what exactly are you wingnuts talking about when you say Benghazi? Is that slang for something?

Posted by: Olaf licks chodes at November 13, 2012 05:47 PM (/YJYi)

222 And remember I hate obama so I am not covering for him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:43 PM (79ueO)

--Thanks for putting me some knowledge. There are myriad other ways Barky is cornholing the military; now there's just one fewer.

Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:47 PM (jKE+Z)

223 Ah Cant ANther With Obamath Dick In Mah Mouf

Posted by: Olaff at November 13, 2012 05:47 PM (EZl54)

224 Stop talking about me. Also, I have a penis. I mean, just look at my muscles. Bye.

Posted by: Paul A. Broadwell at November 13, 2012 05:48 PM (x9s9/)

225 Thanks for putting me some knowledge. There are myriad other ways Barky is cornholing the military; now there's just one fewer.
Posted by: logprof at November 13, 2012 05:47 PM (jKE+Z)

yup, that's an affirmative!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:48 PM (79ueO)

226 204 NGU,

He has reduced the coverage anyone not at a post gets. I am not near a major military installation he has reduced the pay to providers for dental and medical both each of his 4 years.

The Tricare he did screw over was there for retirees who did not live near a post.

"fuck you I ain't paying."

Yeah?

Tell you what I'll be okay with his games with tricare and delta dental when he tells civil servants "fuck you go to post"

let it burn

I am pretty sure if the biopsy I just had pops hot I am not gonna have my oncology covered 100% and may be lucky to get 25% next year the way the fucker acts.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:48 PM (LRFds)

227 216

Sven, maybe we should aim a little higher, but who knows, maybe we could win with a "governs least, governs best" tag line?

Posted by: Mrsp at November 13, 2012 05:49 PM (tgRSU)

228 This why I always keep a pocketful of Obama fake silver dollars.

You know, for 30 of them I'm willing to do a helluva photo op
complete with tears and hugs. Or Springteen tickets *chokes up*
because I love the man... I gotta go...

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 13, 2012 05:49 PM (feFL6)

229 100

Benghazi anecdote:

After the attack my BIL asked two clients what they thought about Benghazi. One said it was Bush's fault, the other asked, "Who is Ben Ghazi?".

Now, multiply by fifty million or so...

Posted by: Justamom at November 13, 2012 05:24 PM (Sptt


There it is....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 13, 2012 05:49 PM (SUfGv)

230 I know a few national secrets. Like who got boned in Benghazi. It's not who you think it is. It's me! Yup, I joined Gen. Petridish in Libya last month and he poked me in the annex. Then I poked him in his annex.

Posted by: Paul A. Broadwell at November 13, 2012 05:50 PM (x9s9/)

231 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:43 PM (79ueO)

right up until you try to find a decent specialist.... the reimbursment rates are so low many Doctors will not take Tricare....
But thats what ALL of you folks will be doing soon... once ObamaCare drives the standard Insurance companies out of business.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 05:50 PM (lZBBB)

232 I have to resist the urge to enjoy Jon's faith in his messiah. At least I have plans on how to maximize my chances in the Starving Time. Jon just has a hope.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 13, 2012 05:50 PM (evdj2)

233 the reimbursment rates are so low many Doctors will not take Tricare....

---------------------



Welcome to nationalized healthcare. It's the VA for all!

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 05:51 PM (P6QsQ)

234 22
Ace, that's what pisses me off so much about Nate Silver ending up being
right.. or, at least on the right side of guessing. There will be no
end to his god-like pronouncement from now on.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2012 05:09 PM (f9c2L) --THIS THIS THIS!!I have a very Leftist math professof who told the class point-blank that this election was a watershed in political prognostication because of Nate Silver's model, that this was the end of the "soothsayers" and all Fox News' pundits were wrong because they ignored math.Pure, 100%, grade-A propaganda from someone who ought to know much better about how dicey the conclusions you can draw from such extremely complex statistical models.
People toss around the fact that he predicted 50/50 states like it's some enormous deal. As if most people couldn't have easily told you how all the non-swing states were going to go, and that leaves, what, about 10? But 50/50 sounds more mathematically impressive than 10/10.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 05:53 PM (1arTe)

235 @216

Exactly.

The libs are like kids bravely telling scary stories in the dark. Until they hear real noises and see real scary things.

When it gets scary enough, they run to make sure the grownups are still in the house and everything is okay .

Because they know that everything that believe is "pretend" and unreliable.

Hence , trollaf.

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 05:54 PM (EZl54)

236 231 Romeo 13,

damn skippy...

I only lost my cool on this once...

was at the dentist and they let me see the copay boning they took versus last year and I laughed bitterly and said "just wait O fans you'll love this it's like a Kama Sutra of government"


I went and bought 'em candy and sent an apology note for my rudeness.

People don't get it we're the serfs and the civil service the court.

I'd wash the queen's feet with my tears if she;d let us come home.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:54 PM (LRFds)

237 Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:48 PM (LRFds)


First of all this was planned before obama came to Office, and what it did was not so much reduce coverage but make it more expensive. But come on, it's still way cheaper than any civilian insurance. And being able to see non-military Docs has it good points. Military medicine is fine and even great for some things like trauma wounds on a battle field but the normal day to day things of an aging populace or some other things unrelated to keeping a Soldier, Sailor, or Marine ready to go.... Ah not really so great. We all know the horror stories.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:54 PM (79ueO)

238 I have lost all faith in people. Everything is bullshit.
There is nothing left.

Posted by: Hostilian at November 13, 2012 05:55 PM (KwQGD)

239 As for the Benghazi "controversy"... yes, that's all
this is, a controversy. Please show me the body count for Watergate.
I'll even spot you a dead American ambassador.

Idiot.


Posted by: Filly

This. This. This.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 05:55 PM (mKMj1)

240 233 Mama Winger,

maybe worse....

He gave pretty good fanservice to the VA as an ideal this year....

pretty sure once Choomcare turns into single payer he will use it as a stick not a carrot.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:55 PM (LRFds)

241 right up until you try to find a decent specialist.... the reimbursment rates are so low many Doctors will not take Tricare....
But thats what ALL of you folks will be doing soon... once ObamaCare drives the standard Insurance companies out of business.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 05:50 PM (lZBBB)

With Tricare Select I have not found that to be true what so ever. Where I am- not near any base save 45 minutes from West Point, and not a huge Military population, everyone takes it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:56 PM (79ueO)

242 Olaf must not work for a company with over 50 employees. Olaf must not be in the military. Olaf must not have any stocks or bonds or dividends. Olaf definitely must not make over $200K. Olaf must not have been a GM bond holder. Olaf must not care about Israel.

Though Olaf could be a guy who wanted to join the military as an open homosexual. He could be a guy who likes free phonespaid for by taxpayers.He could be a guy whothinks that taxing the producers of jobs more that this will create more jobs. He could be a guy that want the taxpayer to pay for his medical care. He could be a guy who got his girlfriend pregnant and didn't know about it until 8 months 20 days laterand wants to still be able to let her get an abortion. He could be just retarded.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 13, 2012 05:56 PM (m2CN7)

243 Ahh, fuck this shit.

I feel worse now than I did last week. I can't even stomach the post-mortems.

Posted by: Brandon at November 13, 2012 05:56 PM (Zx4uI)

244 I felt good about the election because I believed all the things that actually indicated I should feel about the election of ousting an incumbent:

unemployment rate
good track, wrong track
scandals
people talking about broken glass
the R/D identification split
Those guys from the Univ of Colo who had always been right before

All of these things were prior indicators, but guess what everything is the same as before, until it isn't. None of those things mattered. Apparently, what matters now is bomber jackets and march madness brackets. And sweet sweet govt money.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2012 05:56 PM (PHb2k)

245 The Republicans didn't figure voter fraud into the scenario either. They just lay down and die for Democrats. But seriously anyone arguing that Obama winning 3% is a landslide knows nothing about math. With all the crap the Democrats pull and all the media does to supress any critical news about Obama, I'm suprised he didn't win by 10%.

But what is up with the fact that he didn't get 70 million votes this time? Why isn't anyone analyzing that? Looks like a lot of his fans stayed home too.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 13, 2012 05:57 PM (tSElD)

246 Dis fone ain't workin'! I voted so WTF?

Posted by: Obama Fone! at November 13, 2012 05:57 PM (ypzqs)

247 238 I have lost all faith in people. Everything is bullshit. There is nothing left.
Posted by: Hostilian at November 13, 2012 05:55 PM (KwQGD)

Except the pain. Bring it.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 13, 2012 05:57 PM (t06LC)

248 have to say this for joe biden, we need GOP'rs to pull debate performances like his where every sentence out of his mouth is a GOP talking point insulting the other side for being incompetent, evil, or out of touch.

We lost because of voter fraud but it was still too close without voter fraud because Obama was an incumbent who, despite 4 years of record deficits, got the benefit of the doubt on the economy because the media gave him cover.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 05:58 PM (QxSug)

249 As for tricare dental for life, the reinbursement is pretty typical of Delta Dental. From my experience as a Dentist it is not Delta Dental that is the problem but Deers when they fuck up the premiums and say the patient is not covered. And with all Military I take the insurance as full payment for the most part except for the lab fee

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 05:59 PM (79ueO)

250 237 NGU,

forgive me if I don't the irony of the GS ranks getting everything they ever wanted and more and OBAMAFO getting subsidized and my having to scout out Drs in a 70 mile radius.....

but I'm getting past it.

Military medical is actually in my opinion better for most things but a few specialties.

My Army ortho at benning that taught me to walk again was great, and I prefer a no bullshit bedside manner.

That wasn;t my point my point is that giggles is reducing our quality of coverage constantly and has no issue with it at all.

One plan can;t carry "kids" to 26 YO and you know which one it is.

Somehow "the law of the land" doesn;t apply to us ever.

Do the civil servants get to keep their kids on their plans?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:59 PM (LRFds)

251 But ace, I mean seriously what the fuck are these libs talking about? Conservatives should have believed Romney would win. I mean, the Redskins lost. The prophecy was foretold.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 13, 2012 06:00 PM (t06LC)

252 I value the Politico's opinion like I value my dick cheese.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 13, 2012 06:00 PM (++kZl)

253 249 NGU,

I know and hell I'm happy to have dental at all given the paucity in the real world these days....

the point is I am tired of being a third class federal citizen.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:00 PM (LRFds)

254 My husband is gay and didn't even know it. What an idiot!

Posted by: Paul A. Broadwell at November 13, 2012 06:00 PM (x9s9/)

255 the point is I am tired of being a third class federal citizen.

---

thanks to Obama, now you can be a third world citizen.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2012 06:01 PM (Hx5uv)

256 244 Guy Mohawk,

likely of course here's a chilling thought....

what if the low information voters were really that turned on by Joisey Buddah giving Barry a blowjob?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:02 PM (LRFds)

257 The media hyped the idea that it was too close to call. It wasn't too close to call, they just wanted everyone to keep watching their commercials.

Wisconsin, Massachusetts, and Michigan. Heheh.

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 06:02 PM (t1NLo)

258 What we do know and is immutable is that Jonathan Martin and his Politico circle jerk site are always going to be hacks

That and Mark Sanchez will throw interceptions in the Red Zone

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 06:02 PM (wwsoB)

259 255 WalrusRex,

Yup...or we can change things.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:02 PM (LRFds)

260
I met Jill Kelly once. My penis is WAY bigger than his.

Posted by: Paul A. Broadwell at November 13, 2012 06:02 PM (x9s9/)

261 245, people are looking into it, just not anyone in the GOP because they're cool with the election results I guess.

There are tons of missing and uncounted ballots right now. There were probably hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes. Just see that Obama won no state with voter ID.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 06:03 PM (QxSug)

262 43.43 Has any society really come back after total collapse? The "let it burn" crowd seems kinda optimistic.
Posted by: Max Power at November 13, 2012 05:14 PM (q177U)


I take it you weren't around NYC either in the early 70s or the late 90s.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 13, 2012 06:03 PM (jfUIE)

263 One plan can;t carry "kids" to 26 YO and you know which one it is.

Somehow "the law of the land" doesn;t apply to us ever.

Do the civil servants get to keep their kids on their plans?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:59 PM (LRFds)

Yeah i hear ya, but the fee for "young adults" to be covered till 26 on top of my premium for Tricare fo the rest of the family still trumps and civilian insurance I could get. I know some parts of it are not perfect and the last people who should fucked are those serving and those who have served, but it's till a pretty good benefit. And going forward it si going to be a continual fight to keep these benefits no matter what you think of them now.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 06:03 PM (79ueO)

264 "Now, many young Republicans worry, they are the ones in the hermetically sealed bubble — except it’s not confined to geography but rather a self-selected media universe in which only their own views are reinforced and an alternate reality is reflected…"

No. The real problem is that we are all forced to live in a hermetically-sealed Leftist bubble consisting of "a self-selected media universe in which only their own views are reinforced and an alternate reality is reflected." In which Leftist ideology and axioms corrupt, distort, and, inevitably, destroy everything.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:03 PM (uvzjj)

265
240...pretty sure once Choomcare turns into single payer he will use it as a stick not a carrot.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 05:55 PM (LRFds)

---------------

Oh yeah...it will be used as a stick.
A big stick.

There is a reason why the really bad stuff doesn't kick in...until after the 2014 elections.

After that, it will be:
"Hello tyranny. What do you mean, I shouldn't have eaten that pizza last night?"

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 06:03 PM (ICEh3)

266 Ok guys Jill Kelly is a porn star, google it. What planet am I living on where that is not common knowledge.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 13, 2012 06:04 PM (++kZl)

267 Though Olaf could be a guy who wanted to join the
military as an open homosexual. He could be a guy who likes free
phonespaid for by taxpayers.He could be a guy whothinks that taxing the
producers of jobs more that this will create more jobs. He could be a
guy that want the taxpayer to pay for his medical care. He could be a
guy who got his girlfriend pregnant and didn't know about it until 8
months 20 days laterand wants to still be able to let her get an
abortion. He could be just retarded.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 13, 2012 05:56 PM (m2CN7)
---------------------

Olaf is enticed by the idea of feudal serfdom. The barons and earls will see to the mundane necessities of Olaf in exchange for a life lived in drudgery and service to his betters, with no hope of escape or improvement. But at least there might be wheat, and a roof over his head. At least in the good years.

But there won't be any dignity. It's free men and citizens that have dignity. Serfs are born and die in serfdom, and never breathe free. But they are glad to get their daily allotment of wheat. In the good years.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 06:04 PM (P6QsQ)

268 for example, there were 500,000 new voters registered last minute in Wisconsin. uh huh.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 06:04 PM (QxSug)

269 Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:02 PM (LRFds)

My best advice is to find a Reserve Doc/Dentist, we will usually take the insurance as full payment and treat you like gold, at least i will. Least I can do for my brothers and sisters

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 06:04 PM (79ueO)

270 Just don't try to secede...

"WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them."
http://tinyurl.com/bgwqrja

The cryptomarxists need your tax dollars for they gubmint cheez ...

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 06:04 PM (EZl54)

271 "The liberal media cannot actually win on non-factual points, as they are supposed to be in the fact business. Not the opinion business. They actually are in the opinion business, but they're not supposed to be."

Maybe they should be called on this more often. Fraud. Malpractice. Disinformation. Demagogy. These are real things. But whatever. Progress. You know?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:05 PM (uvzjj)

272 Martin and his fellow hacks would have nothing to talk about if they didn't have bad evil rethuglikkkans to trash

We jerk off to porn. They jerk off to the sound of their own voices

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 06:05 PM (wwsoB)

273 Sadly, Romney took foot off the pedal at end of 2 debates to seem likeable. Whatever, embrace the evil. People wanted to see obama get pounded into dirt.

Another problem, the question about "pls don't be like George W. Bush," shoulda been if not moment to defend W then to trash DNC policies that led to financial crash. I always feel a tinge of that's the moment that killed Romney's chances by going soft on that answer (which it was a fine but weak answer).

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 06:06 PM (QxSug)

274 "They cannot "win" an "argument" over raising taxes, or gay marriage, or abortion, even though they would really, really like to. These things are generally not matters of fact. There are some facts to be argued about in each case, but the facts are just selected to prove a belief. It's really the belief that comes first; the facts are secondary."

They are "matters of axiom." Axiom and predictable long-term consequence.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:06 PM (uvzjj)

275 Maybe they should be called on this more often. Fraud. Malpractice. Disinformation. Demagogy. These are real things. But whatever. Progress. You know?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:05 PM (uvzjj)

Its a propaganda technique called Card Stacking, also bandwagonning has been used since 2008.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 13, 2012 06:07 PM (++kZl)

276 269 NGU,

Yeah I am not bitching and once you find a provider they are aces and usually doing it to give back.

I know that.

My problem is not with the parts of the sysytem it is with Jay-Z's dance partner.

My GP Dr today told me he takes a 26% pay cut 1 Jan....

at the same time the civil servants are demanding raises....

I'll shut up now I already used too many F bombs tonight.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:07 PM (LRFds)

277 i like how progs are always convinced that if there's a rich guy, he stole it - like there's only so much pie to go around.

but govt? fuck, that money just grows on trees.

Posted by: unclear on the concept at November 13, 2012 06:08 PM (80jKI)

278 274 Mirror Universe Mitt romney,

they are matters of Orville redenbacher as far as I am concerned now.....

You wanted it you'll get it ObamaFo

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:08 PM (LRFds)

279 "What they do instead is push proxies for the real arguments they wish to win. For example, the media covers the living hell out of every conservative sex scandal, and every conservative money scandal. They try to draw "larger lessons" from such things."

Attack the Person (/Republican Subhuman)! Attack the Person (/Republican Subhuman)! Attack the Person (/Republican Subhuman)!

"They do not cover Democratic scandals with anything close to the same level of flood-the-zone enthusiasm, and do not attempt to draw "larger lessons" of politics from these scandals. The only larger lessons to be are entirely human ones. Bill Clinton's sex scandals were his own; no larger lessons about the Democratic Party could be drawn. Cold Cash Jefferson's freezer full of bribes was just one man's failing. Etcetera."

Protect the Party (/Cause)! Protect the Party (/Cause)! Protect the Party (/Cause)!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:09 PM (uvzjj)

280 And in bizzaro world, a "journalist" doesn't mock another media outlet for being "fair and balanced".

Why don't you go write for HuffPo or TPM you douche.

Posted by: deadrody at November 13, 2012 06:09 PM (DkAJe)

281
heh, the Joisey Buddah certainly didn't help.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2012 06:10 PM (PHb2k)

282 270 T hunter,

I love the irony...

no no seriously.

Drop us off at Antarctica with a bare minimum of gear like Khan.....

we'll own you fuckers in a century assholes.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:10 PM (LRFds)

283 oh, point 8.

I guess we will never know how fucked up the GOP GOTV was this year when we lost by 410,000 votes in vital swing states. Maybe that's the global lesson to be learned?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 06:10 PM (QxSug)

284 US President Barack Obama has confirmed plans to visit Russia at the invitation of his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, the Russian president’s spokesman said on Tuesday," the Russian outlet reports. "Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Obama made the statement when Putin called a second time to congratulate the US president on his reelection."

RIA Novosti quotes Putin's spokesman as saying, "Obama thanked [Putin] for the congratulations and the invitation and confirmed his readiness to come to Russia at a date to be agreed by the two sides. ... Putin wished his US counterpart success in forming his new team," he said, adding that the two presidents confirmed their interest in "progressive development of bilateral relations in all spheres, including the economy."

The White House has not announced plans for Obama to visit Russia since winning reelection.

During the campaign Obama famously got caught on a hot microphone passing along a message to Putin. "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility," Obama told then Russian president Dmitri Medvedev. "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir," Medvedev responded in the overheard conversation.

And so it begins

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 06:11 PM (79ueO)

285 Hostess Bakeries, in bankruptcy, closes 3 bakery/plants. Union bakery union members reap the whirlwind of the ObamaEconomy.

Posted by: The People Have Spoken, & They Must Be Punished at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (7zBFV)

286 It really helped our side to have worthless eunuchs like Allahpander's BFF, Ed "Poppin' Fresh" Morrissey, ready and eager to avoid the truth in any form at any time so people wouldn't accuse Republicans of "Bad Optics" or some such shit. He must have thought his sniggering and tittering would make Choom Boy hide his head in shame.

Of course now he is apparently counseling us to bend over and let the Traitor-in-Chief shove amnesty for illegals up our posteriors.

Way to go, dude.

Before we can effectively counter the Democrats' tactics, we have to stop paying attention to our own Surrender Monkeys.

After that, I would suggest we go full-tilt into voter fraud and keep going until the actual truth comes out. At that point, we have to stand united for impeachment and imprisonment for Teh Won responsible.

But first, we have to let the Captain go down with his cowardly ship.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (yKUrR)

287 "This is what this whole "Should we have foreseen this?" argument is about, as usual. The election was very close -- just 2%. Only a few presidential elections in all of American history were closer."

Yes. In hindsight, we should have foreseen it. The Media "informs" the rabble. The outcome is rather "inevitable."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (uvzjj)

288 Bet ya Butt Pirate Johnathan LOVED Dick Morris when he was Bubba's Guru

Posted by: Evilpens at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (ck76k)

289 and maybe Rommey'd have won more catholic votes if he hit on catholic wedge issues instead of assuming that they'd be on the ball.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (QxSug)

290 284 NGU,

Nobody cares anymore guy....

nobody cares and so we'll lose a city or two and it'll be our fault....the military's the GOPs anyone but the guy who sucked Putin's dick through messaging.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (LRFds)

291 Seriously, why you gotta h8 on the fat loser at the bar?

Posted by: Kensington at November 13, 2012 06:13 PM (znT2j)

292 I like #34's idea. I don't know why we couldn't also have more films and TV shows that are targeted to a mass audience, but are based on conservative rather than liberal subtexts, e.g., the bad guy isn't a CEO, etc. I've heard there are enough closet conservatives in Hollywood that they could make this happen.

Posted by: norrin radd at November 13, 2012 06:13 PM (vKSyL)

293 "But the media now has a Good Fact for Democrats. So what do they do? They attempt to link this fact to Democratic policies -- their policies are based on facts and science and numbers and things that liberal reporters are entirely ignorant of, but which they approve of, in the abstract. See, the Democrats are rational and reasonable and we know this because they won a 2-point-margin election. They knew they were going to win. That proves they're smarter, and more rational, and they Love Science (from afar-- sometimes they read the review of Malcolm Gladstone book in the New York Times Review of Books and isn't he sort of science-y?)."

"Scientific Socialism." Nothing new. At all.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:14 PM (uvzjj)

294 286 Scribbler,


The SS Pillsbury needs it's collision alarm yanked.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:14 PM (LRFds)

295 "270
Just don't try to secede...

"WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them."
http://tinyurl.com/bgwqrja

The cryptomarxists need your tax dollars for they gubmint cheez ...


Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 06:04 PM (EZl54)"Where they going to exile them to? Wyoming?The Left has a really funny reaction to the idea of secession. If they really believed what they say about the people who don't support them, they should be chomping at the bit to allow secession.That they don't is one of those "dog that didn't bark" type phenomena.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 13, 2012 06:14 PM (P2Ufm)

296 In debate 3, romney should have taken lesson from Obama in 2008 and ran to his left and to his right. peace in Afghanistan and bitch about Putin love

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 06:14 PM (QxSug)

297 So happy that Eric cantor got to meet with Bono to learn that America is important in the fight on global poverty.

Enjoyed today's discussion with Bono on the importance of American leadership in fighting global poverty

No shit.

Really?

That Bono must be a FUCKING GENIUS to figure that one out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 13, 2012 06:14 PM (piMMO)

298 Union bakery union members reap the whirlwind of the ObamaEconomy.
Posted by: The People Have Spoken, & They Must Be Punished at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (7zBFV)

And of their own stupidity for striking a company on it's last legs financially. I hope they never work again

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 06:14 PM (79ueO)

299 Nobody cares anymore guy....

nobody cares and so we'll lose a city or two and it'll be our fault....the military's the GOPs anyone but the guy who sucked Putin's dick through messaging.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (LRFds)

Yeah, could drive a guy to drink

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 06:15 PM (79ueO)

300 Of pity's sake, Benghazi is worse than Watergate. A United States Ambassador and three others were slaughtered by savages. That's a fucking fact. I'm ever so terribly sorry it's inconvenient for the SCOAMT but it is, empirically, worse than Watergate.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 13, 2012 06:15 PM (Gk3SS)

301 @282

sven, I mean EXILE? srsly?

Again, the progtards state in 2004 " we are seceding and starting our green-energy Cascadia" and that's all good to go.

The conservatives say, " we would like to honestly and openly petition for secession" and not only do they want to
shut us down ?

They want to put us in jail for even THINKING it.

Orwell was a prophet.

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 06:16 PM (EZl54)

302 "Republicans, on the other hand, thought they were going to win, and they were wrong wrong wrong, which proves, like everything else about them, that they are Anti-Science and Anti-Reason and think that the energy crisis can be fixed if we just all love Jesus enough and are basically dumb, crude, and crazy."

Well, a lot of things could be fixed if we all just loved Jesus enough (or, if that's "too much," at least more than we love the Media, Society, the Government, the culture, etc.).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:16 PM (uvzjj)

303 299 NGU,

heh sorry....like I told Dad the morning after....

"I'm not okay....I live 21 miles from downton Indianapolis too close need to get 12 miles down the road."

He smiled I bet I almost heard it....


I said something similar to him in 1983 after the day after about Fairborn Ohio being too close to Wright-Patt....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:17 PM (LRFds)

304 Seriously, why you gotta h8 on the fat loser at the bar?


****

Speaking of fat loser.... I can't possibly be the only one mocking Christie's new-found love of twitter.

Carryover from the last thread, but I still can't believe that he is now putting together a 'Mobile Cabinet' to address the hardest hit areas.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 13, 2012 06:17 PM (piMMO)

305 Breitbart - One Voice Silenced, Millions Awakened
OKAY BREITBARTERS HERE IS OUR CALL TO ARMS. THIS IS A RUBICON MOMENT. WE MUST MAKE A STAND. I AM NOW WRITING MY CHECK, AND GOING TO THE MAILBOX!

EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR MEANS!

Jennifer Belardinelli Mesa

Just got off the phone with Cong. West's office. Anyone that wants to help him in his efforts can send it to: Alan West; P.O. Box 1108; Stuart, Fl. 34995 made out to Alan West for Congress. He can't use campaign money for the recount and needs specific re-count funds. Anything left over will be donated to veterans charities. Thanks!

Posted by: Evilpens at November 13, 2012 06:17 PM (ck76k)

306 The leftys fearfully believe that we could secede.
And succeed.

I agree with them.

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 06:17 PM (EZl54)

307 Just so we're all on the same page, we do all understand that after the SHTF, a limited government, conservative-friendly outcome is one of the least likely outcomes, right?

Typically, authoritarianism- not libertarianism- is the end result. When you have to look to the bloody history of Chile under Pinochet as a best case scenario, you'd better be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 06:17 PM (SY2Kh)

308 The bad optics being that we don't have a public trough.

Posted by: NCKate at November 13, 2012 06:18 PM (MsQkt)

309 "And if the tried to claim an incorrect guess was proof that Patriots fans were all stupid and anti-science, we'd call him a lunatic."

No. He'd just be a typical Leftist (/tard).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:19 PM (uvzjj)

310 301 T Hunter,


All they'll do is justify us testing their love for the palistinians and illegals....

Yeah 1984 "Mr. Chambers, Mr. Chambers it was a cookbook!"

http://youtu.be/NIufLRpJYnI

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:19 PM (LRFds)

311 "One last thing -- if liberals all "knew this would happen" (which proves they Love Science), why did I see so many damn articles like this before the election?"

Leftists love to rewrite history.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:19 PM (uvzjj)

312 307 Hollowpoint,

we have an advantage the other nations didn't possibly have.....

our founding, common touchstones, and by God our right finger.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:20 PM (LRFds)

313 Enjoyed today's discussion with Bono on the importance of American leadership money in fighting global poverty

Fixed it for ya, Eric.

What a brain-dead shithead this "leader of the Republicans' future" has turned out to be.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 06:20 PM (yKUrR)

314 Once the GOP regains power, first item on the to do list......tax the Westboro Baptist Media into extinction.

Do it for the children and tampons

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 06:21 PM (OWjjx)

315 Just got off the phone with Cong. West's office.
Anyone that wants to help him in his efforts can send it to: Alan West;
P.O. Box 1108; Stuart, Fl. 34995 made out to Alan West for Congress. He
can't use campaign money for the recount and needs specific re-count
funds. Anything left over will be donated to veterans charities. Thanks!



Posted by: Evilpens at November 13, 2012 06:17 PM (ck76k)
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Alan West. Mia Love. Proof that all we need to do is run strong black conservatives in order to win more African American voters.


/snark

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 06:21 PM (P6QsQ)

316 The red states aren't going to secede.

Nor are any of you giants of humanity going Galt.

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 06:21 PM (t1NLo)

317 I don't think liberals knew in advance that ... the 2012 electorate would be about as non-white as 2008

I guarantee they had rock solid demographics on every neighborhood, every block. Including race.

I don't know who did their technical MR, but they were real pros. Far better than any Dem campaign I've ever seen.

Posted by: Phinn at November 13, 2012 06:22 PM (WXY5v)

318
284...The White House has not announced plans for Obama to visit Russia since winning reelection.

During the campaign Obama famously got caught on a hot microphone passing along a message to Putin. "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility," Obama told then Russian president Dmitri Medvedev. "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir," Medvedev responded in the overheard conversation.

And so it begins

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You know...maybe we were reading that wrong.
That thing about having "more flexibility".

Barky plays everyone.
He plays them, until he doesn't need them anymore.

I wonder if he will now say 'fuck you' to Putin, too.
What does he needPutin for...now that he's been reelected?

I still think that Putin 'knows things' about Barky's past...things that people might've believed.
But now, none of that matters.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 06:22 PM (ICEh3)

319 If they really believed what they say about the people who don't support them, they should be chomping at the bit to allow secession.

we're their slaves, we're not allowed to go anywhere.

trust me on this, I left the City of Philadelphia and literally had to pay them off to stop harassing me for city wage taxes for years afterwards.

I'll move again, to get away as much as possible, and I won't be alone (the rust belt is only gaining illegal aliens and losing a lot of their youth and most productive).

We don't have to openly talk about secession . . . it's not helpful. It's still gonna happen, even if only de facto.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 13, 2012 06:22 PM (J6kXj)

320 315 Mama Winger,

it's not their fault....

and yeah maybe we shouldn't pander so brazenly but I respect both....

it worked so well with the black vote let's try it with the Hispanics.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:22 PM (LRFds)

321 "These things did in fact happen, and they're what turned the election (among a few other things)."

What really "turned" the election was that Romney refused to bite Obama's cock off. And in hindsight, that wasn't a good decision. (But at that point, we, or at least I, thought that he would be able to coast.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:23 PM (uvzjj)

322 I don't think liberals knew in advance that ORCA would fail...

Unless liberals were the ones who designed/coded/tested it and ummm..."made a few mistakes" along the way.

Sabotaging code to fail isn't that hard. The bulk of programmers do it by default a large percentage of the time without even being asked.

Of course faked test results are always on the table. I've seen that happen at IBM when a project was late and in trouble. Poor managers tend to focus blame the test teams, so the test teams start delivering whatever causes them the least pain. Failing variations get dropped from scenarios for a variety of excuses. Huge quantities of variations that are "blocked" because the code doesn't function well enough to even get to them are "dropped" from status reports.

I know well how the game is played.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 13, 2012 06:23 PM (NIdfj)

323 >>>316 The red states aren't going to secede.
Nor are any of you giants of humanity going Galt.

Enjoy your layoff and ramen noodles, c*nt-nugget.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 13, 2012 06:23 PM (ZJsGk)

324 319 Black Orchid,


we need to discuss it enough to try to hit critical mass ma'am.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:23 PM (LRFds)

325 In 1980 the pain was noticeable and it wasn't just the bad economy. Things you relied on every day didn't work and costs were skyrocketing. Our cars were underpowered pieces of junk that rusted out in three years. New appliance fell apart almost as soon as they were plugged in. Our military seemed inept.

In 2012 those kind of problems are just starting to happen. When the power grid starts to go down because of too much demand and coal fired plants being shit down perceptions will change fast. Not all of us can afford a $10,000 back up generator system. Ditto the falling quality and availability of health care.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at November 13, 2012 06:24 PM (efiKT)

326 What a brain-dead shithead this "leader of the Republicans' future" has turned out to be.

****

I betcha Bono didn't have to exit next to the trash.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 13, 2012 06:24 PM (piMMO)

327 we need to discuss it enough to try to hit critical mass ma'am.


lol ok sven, but wh.gov petitions are kind of pointless!

and probably slightly dangerous.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 13, 2012 06:25 PM (J6kXj)

328
316The red states aren't going to secede.

Nor are any of you giants of humanity going Galt.

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 06:21 PM (t1NLo)

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Yeah. Keep telling yourself that.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 06:25 PM (ICEh3)

329 What I'd really like someone to do is to take a county by county map of 2008 and 2012 and overlay them, then animate them into a GIF. Then report on the counties that flipped red. I see them, a whole lot of them.

A bunch of blue counties disappeared to be replaced with red, while I really don't see any new blue areas appear. To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of the death of the GOP are premature.

CAC?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 13, 2012 06:25 PM (feFL6)

330 316 Olaf,


bail out Cali and IL and watch the fun begin asshat.

You fuckheads really do not get it...I do not want you altering the nature of my relationship with the Government any more to the authoritarian side than it is but YOU WILL NOT STOP.

If the Pals have the right to a state so do we.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:25 PM (LRFds)

331 Hollowpoint,
we have an advantage the other nations didn't possibly have.....
our founding, common touchstones, and by God our right finger.


Given the election results, those touchstones don't seem to be so common anymore.

As to our founding, I'm sure that any public school student will be happy to inform you that the Founding Fathers were just a bunch of rich racist slave owners who wrote a "living document" open to interpretation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 06:26 PM (SY2Kh)

332 "320 315 Mama Winger,

it's not their fault....

and yeah maybe we shouldn't pander so brazenly but I respect both....

it worked so well with the black vote let's try it with the Hispanics.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:22 PM (LRFds) "

The more correct conclusion would be: it didn't work at all with the Black vote, so let's stop wasting our time; however, Hispanic != Black.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:26 PM (uvzjj)

333 327 Black orchid,

heh we'll need to prepare and no this one won't work and just gets uyou on a list.....

I don't like lists.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:27 PM (LRFds)

334 Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 06:21 PM (t1NLo)

Jon the Buttnugget is Back

Posted by: Evilpens at November 13, 2012 06:27 PM (ck76k)

335 it's not their fault....

and yeah maybe we shouldn't pander so brazenly but I respect both....

it worked so well with the black vote let's try it with the Hispanics.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:22 PM (LRFds)

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They are both great, as people and as candidates. The snark on my end comes from the many comments I've read here in the last couple of days saying that the key to winning more of the minority vote is to run more non-white candidates.

I don't believe it has anything to do with skin color. They hate conservatives because they hate conservatism. It doesn't matter who is speaking the message - they hate the message. They hate us.

Alexthechick mentioned upthread that once minority candidates leave the Dem plantation, they are viewed as traitors, not role models.
If anyone was a model for a minority candidate who could win, it was Mia Love. Yet she went down amidst a sea of red.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 06:27 PM (P6QsQ)

336 >>>You fuckheads really do not get it...I do not want you altering the nature of my relationship with the Government any more to the authoritarian side than it is but YOU WILL NOT STOP.

I'll steal a line from Mark Steyn: "It's never a good idea to tell the American people that there are no democratic means for them to redress their grievances."

Actually, for the more depressed morons, I highly recommend reading 'After America'...made me feel loads better.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 13, 2012 06:28 PM (ZJsGk)

337 Heh. The south will rise again.

How many times have we heard that?

Red states seceding has just as much a chance of happening as a flood of liberals to Canada back in 2004. Get a grip.

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 06:28 PM (t1NLo)

338 331 Hollowpoint,

ask my son....

if we collapse in on each other it may work....if we are red islands in blue seas?


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:28 PM (LRFds)

339 If anyone was a model for a minority candidate who could win, it was Mia Love. Yet she went down amidst a sea of red.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 06:27 PM (P6QsQ)
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Just goes to show how racisty racist the racist's are in racy racism prone Utah.

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at November 13, 2012 06:30 PM (jucos)

340 335 mnama Winger,

wasn't accusing you of that ma'am you're one of my faves was saying they are both members of my tribe at least....

love Locke and hate Marx.

we'll be okay.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:30 PM (LRFds)

341 >>>337 Heh. The south will rise again.
How many times have we heard that?
Red states seceding has just as much a chance of happening as a flood of liberals to Canada back in 2004. Get a grip.

You seem worried about this prospect. I am curious as to why you wouldn't want to get rid of all the bible-thumpin', woman hatin', racist rednecks.

Oh, right...you need their money.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 13, 2012 06:31 PM (ZJsGk)

342 332 MUMR,

Yeah if the objective were to snooker folk I;d agree...

what's your "tribal" entry reqs?

Not flaming you like I said love Locke hate marx is mine....

I am so hurt.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:31 PM (LRFds)

343 "342 332 MUMR,

Yeah if the objective were to snooker folk I;d agree...

what's your "tribal" entry reqs?

Not flaming you like I said love Locke hate marx is mine....

I am so hurt.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:31 PM (LRFds) "

You're going to have to rephrase that.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:32 PM (uvzjj)

344
In other news, the fed govt spent $304 billion in Oct, $120 billion of that new debt.

Thanks, Baroke.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2012 06:32 PM (PHb2k)

345 When the power grid starts to go down because of too much demand and
coal fired plants being shit down perceptions will change fast.


I wonder how many northern state liberals who lost electricity for days and weeks will put 2 plus 2 together and realize that utilities can either retrofit coal plants to burn natural gas, OR trim the trees that overhang the utility lines but can not afford to do BOTH?

Disclosure: Last spring PECO came up my street and adjacent blocks with a tree trimming crew. Areas 100 miles away from us, hours later, lost electricity while our lights flickered once or twice while near hurricaine force winds blew over our heads.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 13, 2012 06:32 PM (feFL6)

346 So what's your guess on an approximate time frame for secession?

Two years? Five? Ten?

Posted by: Olaf at November 13, 2012 06:33 PM (t1NLo)

347 love Locke and hate Marx.

we'll be okay.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:30 PM (LRFds)

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Or, to strip it back down to its roots, love truth and hate evil. Love God and hate the Father of Lies.
And if I rest in that, I will really really be okay.


Did you know that the most repeated command in the Bible is "Fear Not"?

Fear not.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 06:33 PM (P6QsQ)

348 So we get an investigation of the top brass' sex lives but not Bengazi, even though the sex stories are part of a cover up for Bengazi.

Heckuva job media, heckuva job.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 13, 2012 06:33 PM (KCvsd)

349 Anyway, People of Color is an agitprop term. It's best to reject it, and the mentality that it is supposed to engender. (Whities vs. Everyone Else, which won't end well.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:34 PM (uvzjj)

350 343 MUMR,

Obama is balkanizing us.

This is not an arena of ideas anymore it is a brazen tribal push.

My tribe is based on loving the works of Locke and hating the followers of Marx.

If a martian came down and said "let me work and let me others work and fuck collectivism" he;d be my brother unless he looked at me as dinner.

Ogabe would decide if he was a needed bloc.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:34 PM (LRFds)

351 In other news, the fed govt spent $304 billion in Oct, $120 billion of that new debt.

Thanks, Baroke.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2012 06:32 PM (PHb2k)
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As I said upthread. We are on pace for almost $1.5 Trillion dollar deficit this year. That is if everything goes perfectly, which it will not. $2 Trillion anyone?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 13, 2012 06:34 PM (jucos)

352 347 mama Winger,

I know and i fail at it I am afraid.

I need more faith and less rage.

I hope you're well.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:35 PM (LRFds)

353 "347 love Locke and hate Marx.

we'll be okay.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:30 PM (LRFds)

------------
Or, to strip it back down to its roots, love truth and hate evil. Love God and hate the Father of Lies.
And if I rest in that, I will really really be okay.


Did you know that the most repeated command in the Bible is "Fear Not"?

Fear not.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 06:33 PM (P6QsQ) "

Love God.

Fear not.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:35 PM (uvzjj)

354 That is if everything goes perfectly, which it will not. $2 Trillion anyone?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 13, 2012 06:34 PM (jucos)

Stimulating.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 06:36 PM (zpqa2)

355 346 Olaf,

keep pushing the Super Duper State now with more fucking debt and find out.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:36 PM (LRFds)

356 Yeah..whatever. Show me some tits. Honey Badger wanna see some tits.

Posted by: Honey Badger at November 13, 2012 06:36 PM (mq0tj)

357 I know and i fail at it I am afraid. (me too)



I need more faith and less rage. (me too)



I hope you're well. (i'm a wreck)




Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 13, 2012 06:37 PM (P6QsQ)

358 >>>348 So we get an investigation of the top brass' sex lives but not Bengazi, even though the sex stories are part of a cover up for Bengazi.

Chris Stevens was reportedly raped by his attackers, if the MFM is looking for some sort of juicy hook.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 13, 2012 06:37 PM (ZJsGk)

359 As I said upthread. We are on pace for almost $1.5
Trillion dollar deficit this year. That is if everything goes
perfectly, which it will not. $2 Trillion anyone?

Posted by: Truck Monkey

I'll take that.

We'll be lucky if that's the worst of it. My personal perception is that, since there's no budget, there's no way to even begin carving back.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 06:37 PM (mKMj1)

360 353 MUMR,

Thanks for the answer and I try, I try.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:37 PM (LRFds)

361 Red states seceding has just as much a chance of happening as a flood of liberals to Canada back in 2004.

After Obama was first elected, the number of people renouncing US citizenship each year tripled.

While liberals bullshit about stuff like that and think others are bullshitting too, clearly some aren't. 3X is a massive uptick. I'd expect that pace to ratchet up again soon.

Those ones renouncing and leaving? Its probably a good bet they're taking more than $50 with them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 13, 2012 06:38 PM (NIdfj)

362 El Kabong.....how's your girlfriend's Obamabot friend, who gloated on election day and lost her job the next day*?



*Best post of last week.

Posted by: Tami at November 13, 2012 06:39 PM (X6akg)

363 "360 353 MUMR,

Thanks for the answer and I try, I try.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:37 PM (LRFds) "

Well, try harder.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 13, 2012 06:39 PM (uvzjj)

364 361 PA,

Let him keep gloating.

I said in the other thread, that perhaps those of us who settle and make it stick need to pledge our resources to bringing hurting Red down to us to rebuild.

A voluntary diaspora.

I need to think after I sleep.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:40 PM (LRFds)

365 >>>362 El Kabong.....how's your girlfriend's Obamabot friend, who gloated on election day and lost her job the next day*?

She's pleased as punch that she gets to enjoy the fruits of Funemployment now and sit around on her fat ass for the next 4 years. She immediately signed up for every possible benefit she could, and couldn't care less.

It's the can't-do spirit of Obama's America.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 13, 2012 06:40 PM (ZJsGk)

366
348 So we get an investigation of the top brass' sex lives but not Bengazi, even though the sex stories are part of a cover up for Bengazi.

Heckuva job media, heckuva job.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 13, 2012 06:33 PM (KCvsd)

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It's pretty clear to me that that is what they are doing.
They're going to try to dismiss the whole Benghazi tragedy...as 'just sex'.

In a few weeks, they will be saying "The whole thing happened because the CIA director had an affair, and was distracted".

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 06:41 PM (ICEh3)

367 She's pleased as punch that she gets to enjoy the
fruits of Funemployment now and sit around on her fat ass for the next 4
years. She immediately signed up for every possible benefit she could,
and couldn't care less.



It's the can't-do spirit of Obama's America.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 13, 2012 06:40 PM (ZJsGk)


Why am I not surprised.....

Posted by: Tami at November 13, 2012 06:43 PM (X6akg)

368 She immediately signed up for every possible benefit she could, and couldn't care less.



It's the can't-do spirit of Obama's America.

Posted by: El Kabong

Oh, no.

That is so depressing, it's hard not to scream.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 06:43 PM (mKMj1)

369 66 Wheatie,

Likely and how many ObamaFo voters will understand that State has its own intel branch and security?

Not a one.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:43 PM (LRFds)

370 yeah, life will limp on these United States, you may recall that FDR was reelected several times with shitty shitty economy.

We will continue spending $ by borrowing it from ourselves by printing it.

I am kind of curious this can go on.

Too bad we lost those Senate seats because there seems to be no value to America, this whole "let's replace America's population via wholesale immigration" policy. No one, not even FOB immigrants, wants more people here. I don't like the feel of going from 270M to 320M people in 20 years.

Why did GOP go along with this?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 06:44 PM (QxSug)

371 368 Dianna,

It;s why if it comes to that we must vote with our feet.

Fuck them I will not lose the last bastion of the enlightenment to Free Shit Army or be their slave or dancing monkey.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 06:44 PM (LRFds)

372 one thing red states should focus on is keeping private health insurance alive until 2014 because that will be an argument against repeal, that there's no private option left.

Oh no, there will be, if we try.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 06:45 PM (QxSug)

373 "Their heads Full of Math?"

Well, my head is full of Meth, that's for sure. Oh, wait, you said "Math". My bad.

Posted by: Cerberus Ed Shultz at November 13, 2012 06:54 PM (eHIJJ)

374 "Their heads Full of Math?"

Well, my head is full of Shit, that's for sure. Oh, wait, you said "Math". My bad.

Posted by: Cerberus Chris Matthews at November 13, 2012 06:55 PM (eHIJJ)

375 I agree the Media/Left is acting like the GOP just suffered a 49 state landslide, but let's not forget, an 8% unemployment rate and the price of gasoline DOUBLING over Obama's term SHOULD have made him a one term President.

Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 06:56 PM (aVSeo)

376 Susan Rice thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 13, 2012 06:56 PM (piMMO)

377 "Their heads Full of Math?"

Heads Full of Math are icky.

Posted by: Cerberus Rachel Maddow at November 13, 2012 06:56 PM (eHIJJ)

378 Trollaf,

Your fear. It stinks.


Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 07:00 PM (EZl54)

379 @375 look at the 1972 and 1984 electoral maps, the left sure as shit didn't learn nothing (except to run 3rd party candidates to steal GOP votes).

Of course, we're now culturally a democrat nation. They don't care what the DNC stands for, they just know they're for it.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 07:02 PM (QxSug)

380 363 MUMR,

I am...I guess after I got that first hour and a half last night.

Wife said when I opened my eyes water gushed out b/c I had been crying in my sleep.

No more tears.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 07:03 PM (LRFds)

381 BTW, another thing, Ace, in this closed thread...

If the tables were turned, the Obama camp would not have quit. period. We'd be recounting Ohio and Florida until the Superbowl.

But Romney wanted to beat the traffic home.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 07:04 PM (QxSug)

382 DESTRUCTIVES = DIMOkkkRAT Party !!!

Posted by: TennDon at November 13, 2012 07:06 PM (o6Yv2)

383 oh BTW, all you red states. Prepare to adopt about a million Somalians and other decidely anti-GOP new arrivals in the next 2 years per state.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 07:06 PM (QxSug)

384
I agree with the article and would put something on top. If you lose the Super Bowl in a close game that you made some technical mistakes in do you get rid of the whole team and the playbook and start over?
Panic is probably too light a term for the leadership right now. Professional politicians rely on winning election and suddenly the idea that we might not win the next one has them panicked and jettisoning EVERYTHING. Tlka about shor -sighted. I would add trying to win 2016 with low information voters who barely tuned in the last month accoding to exit polls is beyond stupid.

Posted by: Conan at November 13, 2012 07:09 PM (GIDgD)

385 John Lott: Should we treat the exit polls on how Hispanics voted with skepticism?Exit polls show that Obama got 71 percent of the Hispanic vote.
But there is a big potential problem with that claim. Namely a very
conservative state with a Republican Hispanic running for the US Senate
not being included in the exit polling. It is one of the few states
where Republicans have had some success in courting Hispanics, winning
as much as 49 percent of their votes in 2004. Texas!

Posted by: LTC Graham at November 13, 2012 07:10 PM (SwEjg)

386 No, Conan, we must panic. We must try to out left a party that only cares about winning for patronage reasons, a party that can go from Code Pink Trootherism to Fucking WarLord Central with a bandolier of skulls, a party that can denounce red staters as a bunch of white trash low skilled workers and then play I feel your pain populism, a party that can run on cutting the budget line by line and then run $5T in budget deficits.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 13, 2012 07:11 PM (QxSug)

387 "You seem worried about this prospect. I am curious
as to why you wouldn't want to get rid of all the bible-thumpin', woman
hatin', racist rednecks.



Oh, right...you need their money.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 13, 2012 06:31 PM (ZJsGk)"Yes, this is the thing that is most curious. If I really thought that the people who didn't support my political views were subhuman scum and those people wanted to voluntarily leave my political jurisdiction to set up their own, I'd give them a snack and send them on their way.I think it's more than the money, though. Remember, they will tell you that the blue states subsidize the red states. I think it's really that they know the people who are currently in the blue states but vote "red" will leave to the red states for greener pastures. That will only leave the limousine liberals and the hard-core inner cities in the blue states. Not exactly a recipe for success.But, fuck it, it's coming. Liberals always pull this shit whenever their political enemies start to think long-term. They'll tell you it can never happen if it can't happen by tomorrow at noon. As I said earlier, if the Soviet Communists, who were a million times smarter and more ruthless than our doughy American Communists, couldn't keep a continental empire together under one centralized government, Olaf and his fellow pseudo-intellectual commissars won't be able to. As Marx said, "first as tragedy (the Soviet experience), then as farce (Obamanomics)".

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 13, 2012 07:15 PM (P2Ufm)

388 A thought: the rationale for not taxing the $250,000+ at a higher rate is because you hit small businesses. Is there a point above that level (the 0.5%? the 0.1%) at which it isn't small businesses as much as wealthy Hollywood/Soros assholes? If so, blow that rate sky high, equal to the revenue from $250,000-highest earner, offer it up as a real revenue solution or over the cliff we go.

Is this crazy?

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 13, 2012 07:29 PM (fXInK)

389 131,141
Mama et al.
That's the conundrum I had when he first got elected. I loved the AF, but couldn't serve those people anymore... Double now. And its not Obama, really (Scorpion, Frog etc); its the people I decided I couldn't serve..
Wrote this article, if you're so inclined.
http://tinyurl.com/2vaudvx

For my own 2 cents. There are big cuts to come. Everything is on the table, and military retirements are just another obligation, like EBT cards, free cell phones, and 100 different ways to get fed (other than working, silly). And guess what; the military is NOT a voting bloc that is important to dems. So, expect to see shenanigans with mil retirement, tri-care, etc.

While we are desperately trying to get needed capabilities funded in the ever shrinking budget, what makes anyone think that the defense of this nation is a priority? Why do you think that? It's not going to be anyone the current WH occupants know who gets killed. Getting killed in war is a "typical white person" thing to do. Or a bitter clinger; or a gun toter. Libs hate those kinds of people.

I don't think this matters unless the bar to get to vote gets raised. The people who voted for Obama are not responsive to facts. So, figuring out more ways to get more "facts" to these people is not a path to success. There are blocks that not reachable, not for this generation. What percentage of the vote did Obama get from blacks again? Didn't Jesse Jackson Jr get elected from a treatment facility? Latinos? If we don't have them, we won't get them. Stop pandering, it turns off conservatives, and doesn't bring have the desired effect. If you treat people like people instead of "blocks" its a bit easier to see. Thomas Sowell would never vote for Obama, and he would never be swayed by info-mericals that tell him to.
Mitt Romney, or anyone named Mitt, is not electable to these folks,and no pushing of cold hard facts during re-runs of Family Ties or whatever is going to matter. I don't mind doing battle in the arena of ideas, but there's no one on the other side. They don't need to even hit the field. They just use our money to buy everyone admission to the Golden Corral, and they win. And we're now past the tipping point, the parasites have figured it out, and they have NO reason to change.
We cannot win the same old way.
Raising the voting age; require voter ID, if you are on public assistance, you don't vote; etc etc. I don't think the founders envisioned this.
This country can never be taken by "enemies foreign".
I flew my flag upside down this Memorial day.


Posted by: MikeB at November 13, 2012 07:38 PM (R6G9k)

390 joeindc44: I am not sure what point you want me to see. Are you just venting that life sucks? In that case get a helmet and don't bother discussion boards.

Posted by: Conan at November 13, 2012 07:39 PM (GIDgD)

391 179
>> Like the fat loser at the bar who still wants to talk about the time he won Trivia Night six years ago.

Daaaaaamn ace. That hurts. That really hurts man.Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 13, 2012 05:38 PM (WvXvd) >>>Did anybody find out if this really happened?!....

Posted by: concrete girl at November 13, 2012 07:49 PM (y2Ojs)

392 Loss of elections are like 6 phases of a project: Enthusiasm, disillusionment, panic, search for the guilty, punishment of the innocent, praise and honors for the non-participants





Posted by: Doktor Zhivago at November 13, 2012 07:55 PM (scLNg)

393 And obviously it's unimportant to let the military vote: http://news.yahoo.com/absentee-ballots-may-destroyed-crash-210240583--election.html

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 13, 2012 08:15 PM (5HBd1)

394 Oh yeah, and this is pretty cheerful news: http://www.toledoblade.com/State/2012/11/12/Ohioans-food-stamp-aid-to-be-cut.html

Ya think that maybe Ohio would have voted differently if they'd known about this before the election?

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 13, 2012 08:24 PM (5HBd1)

395 383 Joe in DC,

uh wanna bet?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 08:30 PM (LRFds)

396 Ace Nate Silver did not think it was a toss up neither did In trade or Vegas and it was not close

Posted by: occam at November 13, 2012 08:42 PM (25iqq)

397 Hostess Bakeries, in bankruptcy, closes 3 bakery/plants. Union bakery union members reap the whirlwind of the ObamaEconomy.
Posted by: The People Have Spoken, They Must Be Punished at November 13, 2012 06:12 PM (7zBFV)

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The union thugs went on strikerather than make concessions to a struggling employer during an economic depression.Now the union thugs are out of jobs; screw them, they can ask Obama for some of the cash in his stash.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at November 13, 2012 09:15 PM (nYHk7)

398 396 it was not close
Posted by: occam at November 13, 2012 08:42 PM (25iqq)
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407,000 in 4 states. Like hell that's not close

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 09:33 PM (Y5I9o)

399 In a related phenomenon, spelling and grammatical errors have become the internet's scarlet letter of idiocy.

Look at those FOOLS! No auto-correct exists which might preserve them from their uneducated utterances! They are CLEARLY too dumb to vote and FAR beneath my vaaaaastly superior handle on the most difficult language in the universe. Ace Ventura laugh.

They're not as keen to correct their own idiots. Oh - that's okay; their heart is in the right place.

Posted by: h-unit at November 13, 2012 09:39 PM (lhR1g)

400 Hey, there's a reason why they call us Low-Information Voters

Posted by: LIVeral voters at November 13, 2012 11:13 PM (YwXwp)

401 mama winger- May God protect your son.

I don't' blame him for considering leaving the Army with to serve a 51% of ungrateful people that only want free things.
The Obamaphone started when Reagan was president, but then it was a landline, I know a persons on food stamps and told him about free TFG phone but it's not enough minutes for him! That is one of my brothers, my dearly departed parents would and/or are rolling around in their graves if they could see what kind of man he's become. I think 1961 was a bad year for the US,that brother of mine was born that year along with TFG.

I hope your son returns soon. Quit the army until that 51 - 52% appreciate what they've sacrificed for us.

Posted by: CarolT at November 14, 2012 12:06 AM (z4WKX)

402 The left just buildsupon the burned-down strawmen they leave in their path. The electorate is too lazy and expectant of free stuff to see the end game.

Posted by: Steve-O at November 14, 2012 08:39 AM (A2QmL)

403 What's ORCA?

Posted by: Barton at November 14, 2012 08:54 AM (m/ScI)

404 Laye as usual, but terrific post, Ace. This is one of those "concepts" that had been kinda, sorta, in my head for quite a while, but I had never realy been able to articulate and take to the next level, even to myself.

Well done.

Posted by: RM at November 14, 2012 09:23 AM (TRsME)

405 If you think Obama won because of Sandy I've got some "unskewed" polls for you that you're just going to love.

Drink the kool aid and you'll get laughed at. Don't like it, don't drink it.

Posted by: kevinw at November 14, 2012 02:23 PM (wHprZ)






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