Analyst: Stock Market Will Lose Another 20%, Even Assuming No Fiscal Cliff and No Greek Collapse

But we've got the free birth control pills. Those we definitely have. Those are pure profit. Just put that in the bank and smile about your winnings.

Everything else, though.... not so good.

“I don’t think markets are going down because of Greece, I don’t think markets are going down because of the ‘fiscal cliff’ — because there won’t be a ‘fiscal cliff,’ ” Faber told CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” “The market is going down because corporate profits will begin to disappoint, the global economy will hardly grow next year or even contract, and that is the reason why stocks, from the highs of September of 1,470 on the S&P, will drop at least 20 percent, in my view.”

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Faber argued that the “fiscal cliff,” a rise in taxes and automatic spending cuts, would actually involve some minor tax increases in “five years’ time” and some spending cuts “in 100 years.”

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Faber added: “In a democracy, they’re not going to take the pain, they’re going to kick down the problems and they’re going to get bigger and bigger.”

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Comments

1 Obama was re-elected -
Losing only 20% would be a god send.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:18 PM (TL8Jw)

2 ughh...bammy win, dow about to go belly up. Just 1 last thing to do : http://tinyurl.com/a9nrm8a

Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at November 13, 2012 01:18 PM (Vk2CC)

3 I think the markets are going to collapse soon. But it is damn hard to predict the stock market. It is no longer a barometer of stock worth. It has been behaving very weird for a long time now.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (YdQQY)

4 Here we go. Dowmegeddon.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (NIZHJ)

5 But we've got the free birth control pills. Those we definitely have. Those are pure profit. Just put that in the bank and smile about your winnings.

Those aren't cheap, you know.

Well, they are now. Technically.

Woman-hater.

Posted by: Phinndra Fluck at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (oFH2D)

6 Just 1 last thing to do : http://tinyurl.com/a9nrm8a
Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at November 13, 2012 01:18 PM (Vk2CC)


Jazz Hands?

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 13, 2012 01:20 PM (UZQM8)

7 Next we will have free sex change operations. It's our inalienable right and for the children!

Posted by: Sandra at November 13, 2012 01:20 PM (/YJYi)

8 The market will go down, then Helicopter Ben will bring out QE4: The Revenge and the markets will go back up.

All while milk goes to $10 a gallon

Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (w4fEE)

9 Free cigars for afterwards?

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (NIZHJ)

10 Bring it on - I gotta make some money.

Buy the dips!

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (GdalM)

11 King Midas in reverse

Posted by: seamrog at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (cZHOj)

12 “In a democracy, they’re not going to take the pain, they’re going to kick down the problems and they’re going to get bigger and bigger.”

If we just court Hispanics all our troubles will evaporate.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (LyF0H)

13 Faber argued that the “fiscal cliff,” a rise in taxes and automatic
spending cuts, would actually involve some minor tax increases in “five
years’ time” and some spending cuts “in 100 years.”



Past Democrat history says there will be tax increases and spending increases. What little economy we have will go further negative.


In short, the current depression we are in that the MFM has tried to keep silent on will become a complete collapse.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (YdQQY)

14 Nothing is...'Too Big To Fail'.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (ICEh3)

15 They don't trade EBT futures yet?

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:22 PM (NIZHJ)

16 "Stuff We Didn't Have Time To Report On Last Month"

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:22 PM (FcR7P)

17 Next we will have free sex change operations. It's our inalienable right and for the children!
Posted by: Sandra

Trust me, there are quite a few of the zombies already working on that.

Posted by: Cheri at November 13, 2012 01:22 PM (G+Wff)

18 9 Free cigars for afterwards?
Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (NIZHJ)

Yes please!

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky at November 13, 2012 01:22 PM (YOZSv)

19 His Great-Grandfather founded a college. I'll bet he would be disappointed that one of his descendants is a journalist.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 01:22 PM (GsoHv)

20 Faber repeats himself. Not that he isn't right but being right in 2008, and then wrong in 2010, 11, and 12 should be part of the record here.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 01:22 PM (SX6wc)

21 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:23 PM (8y9MW)

22
Hope and changeredux! Own it voters!

Posted by: Idiocracy Now! at November 13, 2012 01:23 PM (ypzqs)

23 αφήστε το να κάψει
dejar que se queme
让它燃烧

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 13, 2012 01:23 PM (YLZSZ)

24 For background, see: 'Kondratieff winter.'
Strauss and Howe's "The Fourth Turning."
Jim Goulding's "Winter is Coming."
Miller, Joubert and Butler's "The Rise and Fall of Civilizations."

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 13, 2012 01:23 PM (WwR1j)

25 I want my pills delivered now. It was a mandate Losers.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 13, 2012 01:24 PM (71LDo)

26 But we've got the free birth control pills.

___

Either way, you're screwed

Posted by: Cricket at November 13, 2012 01:25 PM (DrC22)

27 The Q:

Ben can't, we're already at rolling QE-infinity.

That trick is out of the playbook.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 13, 2012 01:25 PM (HXWlL)

28 The markets as such are high frequency trading computers programmed to news soundbites and funding by the Bernanke division of the Free Shit Army

It would drop big time unless there's a Black Swan event that even the money printers can't overcome, like a counter party default on interest rate swaps, the shit that Soros plays with

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 01:25 PM (wwsoB)

29 Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (YdQQY)

Very simple actualy.... the Stock Market has become nothing more than a virtual Vegas, where they bet on if they THINK stocks will go up, or down... and there is a HUGE amount of people who are playing with OPM (other peoples money).

Its all about judging the Herd Mentality now.... not about economic reality.

Much Like Oil Futures.... where they bet on World events, and how they THINK it will impact Oil prices.... it no longer has anything to do with supply and demand (as only very very few of the oil futures contracts are ever delivered).

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 01:25 PM (lZBBB)

30 His Great-Grandfather founded a college. I'll bet he would be disappointed that one of his descendants is a journalist.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (FcR7P)

31 EBT futures! Well I'll be god-damned. That's thinkin and just think if we can bundle them together with an insurance product. Full of win!

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (qwK3S)

32 So, exactly how cheaply can I get a decent AR or M4? And which of the two would you suggest?

What, it's on topic- I'm planning my bug-out.

Also, anyone familiar with navigating the Byzantine mess that is farm subsidies? I'm pretty sure there's some government cheese with my name on it, if I start the farm my family own back up.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (8y9MW)

33 I canfeel it!! Jallaluuuuuya

Posted by: HtP at November 13, 2012 01:27 PM (jx2j9)

34 The markets are about to tank, quick send team GOP in to take the fall.

And the sad thing is they will take the blame.

The media and the Donks will spin it as those Tea Party crazies refusing to be grownups and compromising on the debt ceiling, on tax hikes for the rich as Bobby Jindal likes to call them, etc.

And the GOP establishment will take the blame.

It's what they do!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:27 PM (RrD4h)

35 Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (FcR7P)

At least one person around here has a classical education!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 01:27 PM (GsoHv)

36 Does this explain the basic Stagnation over the last few days? I've been trying to figure that out. Usually you see the market trending in a direction (or at least up, then down, then up then down moving solely on instant reaction to news.)
But since Friday it's just been flat, flat is strange. You see some panicked sell off in the morning, followed by an uptick likely caused by people trying to get some cheap stocks due to the sell off, that just flat-lines by the closing bell.
It's almost like even the market doesn't know what to make of the election. (Well aside for the instant tank, but after that...)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 01:28 PM (u1Lwt)

37 Thank you Captain Obvious. It's obvious the economy continues to crawl ever closer to the edge. I don't need panicky alarmists to tell me so every few months.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, SMOD 4-eva at November 13, 2012 01:28 PM (YOZSv)

38 Black Friday numbers will tell us something

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:28 PM (0PiQ4)

39 Faber added: “In a democracy, they’re not going to take the pain, they’re going to kick down the problems and they’re going to get bigger and bigger.”

Let it burn

Posted by: Mr pink at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (EoQ9s)

40 I think the markets are going to collapse soon. But it is damn hard to predict the stock market. It is no longer a barometer of stock worth. It has been behaving very weird for a long time now.


My father is absolutely convinced the entire financial system will collapse on January 1st. I am starting to think maybe I shouldn't roll my eyes at him.


From what I can tell, stocks are no longer really trading based on the underlying value of the company but instead are trading based on what fractional profit can be found by the various HFT algorithms. See contra Facebook however.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (VtjlW)

41 So, exactly how cheaply can I get a decent AR or M4? And which of the two would you suggest?

You can get one for around $850 to $900. I'm in the market for one as well. And AR and M4 are the same thing, the M4 is just a more compact version.

Whacha gonna grow? Marijuana?

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (GQ8sn)

42 GW: exactly, and this is the price paid for not having messaging on this crap ALREADY DONE and known ( by the democrats even, so they know they can't rely on it )

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (HXWlL)

43 -

The best part is now we'll find out why Paris and its suburbs averaged 8.4 police cars set on fire any given night when it started to go hard left.

-

That Paris had a problem with burning police cars will come as news to some.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (RuUvx)

44 Cattle futures for you and yours = 100 grand

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (0PiQ4)

45 The market will go down, then Helicopter Ben will bring out QE4: The Revenge and the markets will go back up.

All while milk goes to $10 a gallon


Yep. Let's remember who Bernanke works for.

Putting the head of Bankers' Guild in charge of the state-mandated money supply is sort of like putting the head of Monsanto in charge of state-mandated food allotments.

Great idea, guys.

Posted by: Phinndra Fluck at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (oFH2D)

46
Fuck it, it doesn't matter.

Our Prez has the proper pigmentation, says the right words to woo the stupid, and with the help of the Parliament of Whores doles out enough Free Shit to keep the natives in line.

What's on TV tonight anyway?

Posted by: Jaws at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (4I3Uo)

47 So much good news coming faster than I can digest it. How great life is and will only get better. Thanks JEF.

Posted by: Ronster at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (nQMHQ)

48 With all the money they printed, 12-13K on the dow is frudulant anyway. A house of cards held up by tooth picks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (3Y7RV)

49 Did you hear his asset protection plan?

Posted by: JohnInFirestone at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (xVxSN)

50 And the libs tell us we live in a bubble. Their suffering will be legendary, even in hell.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (pLTLS)

51 Before the election, I was looking at the PE ratio [not to be confused with the Profit-earnings ratio] for the Dow and SP indices and, given the economy, in my opinion, both were overvalued. The "value" of these investments may disappear faster than client's funds in a Corzine client trust account. And that's saying something.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (qwK3S)

52 35
Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (FcR7P)

At least one person around here has a classical education!




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 01:27 PM

Now I really hate him ...

Posted by: Doc Holliday at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (wwsoB)

53 How does this effect my ObamaPhone? And what if I get one of them baby things all up in my cooch?

As long as my ObamaPhone and EBT card still work y'all can kiss my ass. Republicans are old and white, they dying off. Future belongs to the ObamaPhone generation. Payback bitches!

Posted by: ObamaPhoneVoter at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (ZPrif)

54 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (VtjlW)

I think that's true on the margins, but not for the vast majority of equities. Of course when the margins get pounded they drag the rest with them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (GsoHv)

55 Faber's asset protection plan: http://tinyurl.com/bbp548d

Posted by: JohnInFirestone at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (xVxSN)

56 ughh...bammy win, dow about to go belly up. Just 1 last thing to do

Jack it in San Diego?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (v+QvA)

57 Also, anyone familiar with navigating the Byzantine mess that is farm subsidies?

Farm subsidies go more to giant businesses and the farms that kind of get slaved to them. You don't want any part of it. A lot of farmers where I grew up got ruined chasing incentives from Tyson, for instance.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (FcR7P)

58 I think they even have a compartment in the butt stock for your weed.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:31 PM (NIZHJ)

59 47
So much good news coming faster than I can digest it. How great life is and will only get better. Thanks JEF.

Ain't that the truth. They are also managing to make Benghazi about "sex" and Republican sex at that. Happy days are here again...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 13, 2012 01:31 PM (9+ccr)

60 -

Casting Call:

Falling Down II: Same Shit, Different Generation

Starring: Jason Statham

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 13, 2012 01:31 PM (RuUvx)

61
32...Also, anyone familiar with navigating the Byzantine mess that is farm subsidies? I'm pretty sure there's some government cheese with my name on it, if I start the farm my family own back up.

-----------

The government will pay you...to *not farm* certain crops.
There is also a government program to reward you for letting your acres 'return to the wild'...basically letting it go and not doing anything to it.

You can still do a family garden to live on...with those two.
But you can't do anything 'for profit'.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 01:31 PM (ICEh3)

62 Faber added: “In a democracy, they’re not going to take the pain,
they’re going to kick down the problems and they’re going to get bigger
and bigger.”


And just to be clear, the "they're" isn't just the elected politicians who will be almost universally blamed. It's also the electorate at large. I've been saying for a long time- the problem isn't just in DC, it's in our mirrors.

The very same people who will be upset by the consequences of coming debt bomb will be even more outraged over the prospect of seeing their services, government pensions, or assorted free shit cut.

And they won't make any connection whatsoever between the debt crisis and spending that benefits them personally.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 01:31 PM (SY2Kh)

63
Have no fear Barry is meeting today with union leaders and "progressives" to work on a solution. And the answer is North Korea

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 01:32 PM (1Jaio)

64 Does this explain the basic Stagnation over the last
few days? I've been trying to figure that out. Usually you see the
market trending in a directionPosted by: tsrblke


It's been calculated that upwards of 70% of the trades are pure algorithm trades. No human sees them.

I'm guessing the computers don't see much arbitrage opportunity or there isn't enough actionable data coming in. So the BSDs are just pushing stuff back and forth over the line.

Just a guess.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 01:32 PM (SX6wc)

Posted by: Phinn at November 13, 2012 01:32 PM (oFH2D)

66
I'm geared up for 2014.

by next week, all of you will also be on board

Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 01:32 PM (jUytm)

67 Isn't collapse what Barky wants anyway? Hastens the dependening.

Posted by: dogfish at November 13, 2012 01:33 PM (NuPNl)

68 Free OCs mean more DVT's for Broadwells husband to treat

Posted by: Avi at November 13, 2012 01:33 PM (Gx3Fe)

69 38
Black Friday numbers will tell us something

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:28 PM

It'll tell us how confident the Free Shit Army is that Santa Barack will keep the EBT cards full

Posted by: Doc Holliday at November 13, 2012 01:33 PM (wwsoB)

70 Have no fear Barry is meeting today with union leaders and "progressives" to work on a solution. And the answer is North Korea

What? We're going to start outsourcing to them now?

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:33 PM (GQ8sn)

71 Get a Colt 6920 or 6721 if you prefer a lighter barrel. Buy some spare parts - especially a bolt. Buy a quality sling. Get a red dot sight of your choice - I prefer Aimpoints. Get magazines in quantity. Stack ammo high and deep.

Repeat until the collapse comes.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 13, 2012 01:33 PM (pLTLS)

72 Computers simultaneously buy and sell the same thing trying to get others to start moving.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:33 PM (NIZHJ)

73 CNBC is already trying to capitalize on this by flooding the zone with their "Rise Above" bullcrap (Lean Forward, anyone?) .Their solution is massive tax hikes because...well, because!
Also, Faber is a clown show...I wouldn't do anything because of this carnival barker...he has a financial interest is ginning thing up.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 13, 2012 01:34 PM (3r+Q2)

74 Pull my finger.

Posted by: the invisible hand at November 13, 2012 01:34 PM (QupBk)

75 And the libs tell us we live in a bubble. Their suffering will be legendary, even in hell.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 13, 2012 01:30 PM (


...and those are the days worth living for.

Posted by: Berserker at November 13, 2012 01:34 PM (FMbng)

76 The very same people who will be upset by the consequences of coming
debt bomb will be even more outraged over the prospect of seeing their
services, government pensions, or assorted free shit cut.


Ten to one odds they will blame "rich people" for causing it.


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:34 PM (GQ8sn)

77 >>It'll tell us how confident the Free Shit Army is that Santa Barack will keep the EBT cards full

I'll be your huckleberry.

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (Fm9UD)

78 Hey, has anyone heard how Germany's audit to see if its gold reserves actually exist is going? That's going to be the next big wave of investor litigation, when people start demanding delivery of their gold and its discovered that companies have sold three and four hundred percent shares of their physical inventory.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (VtjlW)

79 Should I buy an ounce or two of Gold or one each of every thing Glenn Beck sells?

Posted by: Not an Artist at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (uRumV)

80 Greece officially kicked the can down the road another two years, raised retirement rates, cutting pensions. Did anyone see the petition for students to return their degrees in exchange to have their student loan debt forgiven? Looked at it closely it said courtesy of iowahawkblog, great thinker of our time. Awesome.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (NzBQO)

81 @73

Tax hikes??

The newspeak words you are looking for are revenue enhancements!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (RrD4h)

82 Isn't lean forward the same thing as bend over?

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (NIZHJ)

83 Ran into someone I know at the grocery store this morning. He was staring at the canned vegetables so I asked if he was looking for something he said he was looking for his favorite brand of canned spinach, which had disappeared from the shelf. Now all that is there is the generic "Western Family brand" for most of the vegetables. I said "welcome to our new world, you get one choice and you'll like it bub"

I also managed to purchase the last boxes of Twinkies and Ding-Dongs, thanks to commenters here yesterday for pointing out the strike news. Which I then cheerfully shared with the cashier, "oh too bad, Hostess has now closed its Seattle bakery because the union went on strike."

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (RZ8pf)

84
Oh Okay, here's my 401k and Roth. I'm not currently using it,the dollars in them are losing value faster than I can shovel them in, and the Feds, and the FSA obviously needs that money more than I will.

So sure, by all means Nationalize them. You guys are a lot smarter and it's not like I can stop you from taking them without ending up in jail or dead. I live to serve.

Posted by: Jaws at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (4I3Uo)

85 3 Vic,

it is as currently used merely a money shunt and Helicopter ben's perpetual motion machine.

Bukkake literally reelected ogabe b/c w/out QEleventy even the media couldn't have sold choom to the middle class.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (LRFds)

86 Robin Hood = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:36 PM (DoZD+)

87 The Dow went up even with mutual fund outflows in the billions

It's all Ben's monopoly play money running it now

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 01:36 PM (wwsoB)

88 Hey, has anyone heard how Germany's audit to see if its gold reserves
actually exist is going? That's going to be the next big wave of
investor litigation, when people start demanding delivery of their gold
and its discovered that companies have sold three and four hundred
percent shares of their physical inventory.


Actually, those investors were promised a picture of a gold bar, not the real thing.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:36 PM (GQ8sn)

89 @76

Of course they will blame rich people and don't forget Republicans.

Do you think the majority of the Free Shit Army dabbles in the stock market?

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:36 PM (RrD4h)

90 Some kind of EBT winter fuel subsidy is being cut in Oiho.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:36 PM (NIZHJ)

91 Monica Lewinsky = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:37 PM (DoZD+)

92 The way I am looking at it suffering through Sandy was good prep for the fiscal cliff. Spotty power, intermittent cable service, long gas lines. One thing that came in real handy was having Polish neighbors. They really knew how to work the gas shortage. They managed to talk a station owner to fill up gas cans for all of us when his supply came in.

Posted by: Long Island at November 13, 2012 01:37 PM (hl8SI)

93 What fiscal cliff? The chocolate ration just increased from 30 to 25 grams a week!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 01:37 PM (1Jaio)

94 >>Robin Hood = white = going to Hell


Shit.

Posted by: Edgar Winter at November 13, 2012 01:37 PM (Fm9UD)

95 Joseph Stalin = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:37 PM (DoZD+)

96 I'm coming, and terror and slaughter are coming with me!

Posted by: Gods of the Copybook Headings at November 13, 2012 01:37 PM (DrWcr)

97 I think most people on this board will grow old and die with an intact economy and retirement benefits resembling what we have now, because there is still a lot of money that can be raided by the government, and because small financial adjustments have a big impact when spread over large numbers of people.

In particular, we still have a huge military that the left and international community has never liked, and it can be dismantled and the money spent over the next several decades. Terrible idea, but we are going to do it because we will need the money.

Will we fall to barbarians as a result? No, thanks to our geographic isolation from our enemies we can defend ourselves through the air and contract our ability to project foreign policy through military means for some time to come. Again, not what I would do, but we are where we are.

Other adjustments like raising the retirement age, means-testing retirement benefits (what we call theft here in the real world), and especially the raising and eventual lifting of the limits social security and self-employment taxes are applied to are probably all in our future.

Like England, we have really screwed the pooch, but there are few (if any) ways to turn back now.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 01:37 PM (8/DeP)

98 Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (9KqcB)

Perhaps, but on the other hand you'd think the mini-crash on Wednesday and Thursday would have produced at least some scrappy buyers trying to flip stocks. Enough to create an uptick that beats 50 pts. We haven't done that yet.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 01:37 PM (u1Lwt)

99

I want my free birth control cuz its free. Doesn't matter
that my Uterus just came back from the taxidermist. I want everything that is
free and I want it now.

Posted by: giftogab at November 13, 2012 01:38 PM (QW2hm)

100 Not that Obama has the brains or balls to utilize it, but the fact is that the rules apply to every country except the biggest and strongest.

We could, if we wanted, quasi-legally walk away from the national debt as a country and still expect that international commerce would continue much as before.

Suddenly, it would make sense to a lot of people why we have such a ridiculously sized military and a stranglehold on worldwide finance.

Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2012 01:38 PM (ZDsRL)

101 Si los republicanos nos daría la amnistía y tampones libres, prometemos que no viniera en su boca.

Posted by: Jose Biden at November 13, 2012 01:38 PM (vYB+W)

102 Janitors at Walter Reed protesting because they haven't been paid.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 01:38 PM (r2PLg)

103
Hmm...hmm...hmm...OBAMA!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 13, 2012 01:39 PM (YEG/L)

104 So it looks like AllenG and I are in the market for some hardware. I'm going to a show this weekend with cash to see if I can cut a better deal.

For the morons who know, any brands to stay away from?

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:39 PM (GQ8sn)

105 Ten to one odds they will blame "rich people" for causing it.

Well, yeah. That's a given.

Just like it's the bank's fault if you take out a mortgage you can't afford, then get foreclosed on after failing to make payments.

Greedy bastards.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 01:39 PM (SY2Kh)

106 Faber could be balls deep in shangri la and would still predict the end of the world.

for what its worth

Posted by: @huffpeter at November 13, 2012 01:39 PM (NHNJt)

107 Tax hikes??

The newspeak words you are looking for are revenue enhancements!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:35 PM (RrD4h)



"Reductions in spending in the tax code"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 13, 2012 01:39 PM (X3lox)

108 You'd think they'd be saying "thank you"!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at November 13, 2012 01:40 PM (DrWcr)

109 Hey, has anyone heard how Germany's audit to see if its gold reserves

actually exist is going? That's going to be the next big wave of

investor litigation, when people start demanding delivery of their gold

and its discovered that companies have sold three and four hundred

percent shares of their physical inventory.


Actually, those investors were promised a picture of a gold bar, not the real thing.


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:36 PM

You suckers. I've had my photo for a year. They'll be out in an hour if there's a run.

Posted by: Ketchup Catch Up at November 13, 2012 01:40 PM (BAnPT)

110 I'm having trouble deciding what the strangest story of the weekend has been, I mean I know the weird general stuff is definitely at the top, but I mean come on that McAfee murder thing in Belize with the Wired reporter now tweeting live updates is right up there too.


The world is going to hell in a handbasket, but at least we still have crazy to entertain us.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 13, 2012 01:40 PM (RZ8pf)

111
Isn't lean forward the same thing as bend over?




Winner!

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:40 PM (DoZD+)

112 32 Allen G,

You cabn get a Hi Point Pistol Caliber carbine and save the money for ammo if it is a bug out gun.

For 'deer hunting" I'd go with an AR-15 A3 config the 20" barrel has a nice ballistic sweet spot that makes the elevation for center mass on a deer give good customer service at 50-200 yds.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:40 PM (LRFds)

113 109 That Gold is safely stored in the cave.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:41 PM (NIZHJ)

114 Then again, hyperinflation could win out and then we'd see the stock market explode, along with commodities and the world in general.

German Wholesale Price Index

July 1914 1.0
Jan 1919 2.6
July 1919 3.4
Jan 1920 12.6
Jan 1921 14.4
July 1921 14.3
Jan 1922 36.7
July 1922 100.6
Jan 1923 2,785.0
July 1923 194,000.0
Nov 1923 726,000,000,000.0

The past 5 years look pretty much like the 1914-1919 numbers. and as we all know Bernanke is 'All In' with QE Infinity.

May we live in interesting times.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 13, 2012 01:41 PM (ccXZP)

115 109
Hey, has anyone heard how Germany's audit to see if its gold reserves


actually exist is going? That's going to be the next big wave of


investor litigation, when people start demanding delivery of their gold


and its discovered that companies have sold three and four hundred


percent shares of their physical inventory.

Actually, those investors were promised a picture of a gold bar, not the real thing.




Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:36 PM

You suckers. I've had my photo for a year. They'll be out in an hour if there's a run.


I've got a whole album full. I'M RICH BIYAATCH!!!!

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:41 PM (GQ8sn)

116 This would be scary news had I any more money to lose. I don't, but feel sorry for those that do.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 13, 2012 01:41 PM (jucos)

117 Worry not Comrades.
Dear Leader will institute a brilliant five-year-plan to solve these problems.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Comrade Trainer at November 13, 2012 01:41 PM (QbdUW)

118 Wha?

Posted by: Ben Dover at November 13, 2012 01:41 PM (Fm9UD)

119 That's going to be the next big wave of investor litigation, when
people start demanding delivery of their gold and its discovered that
companies have sold three and four hundred percent shares of their
physical inventory.


That's gonna be a monumental kick in the ass. Say, there's no deal on extending the Bush tax cuts and new withholding tables kick in in January. By March 15th people see their bank accounts starting to hit zero and decide to liquidate a little gold. Only to hear a 'the number you have dialed is no longer...'

That may very well be the end.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (feFL6)

120 @100

America walks away and the system breaks irrevocably as just slightly smaller nations do the same and then just slightly smaller nations do the same, etc.

The system collapses.

It's going to happen eventually.

There might come a time when a mutually approved "reset" happens, but we are not there just yet.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (RrD4h)

121 In 25 years this is probably the most market divestiture I have seen.

Between the potential tax increases and fiscal outlook, everyone is going to the mattresses.

Posted by: marcus at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (GGCsk)

122 28 The markets as such are high frequency trading computers programmed to news soundbites

It's not based on the news. The models just do basic stats on indices and so on. Bloomberg did introduce a product for news summarization a while back. We looked at it briefly but we didn't use it and I haven't heard anything about it since then. It might be more useful for commodities, since they relate to real world events more closely.

Posted by: rfichoke at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (xfLkJ)

123 Whacha gonna grow? Marijuana?


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:29 PM (GQ8sn)


Well. I've always wanted to head out to Texas.....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (da5Wo)

124 That Gold is safely stored in the cave.


Admittedly, it does seem that the world wide economy is currently being run by the Underpants Gnomes.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (VtjlW)

125 Oh, and lets not forget obamacare kicking in. That will really help the economy...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (9+ccr)

126 Why wouldn't the stock market ride steady alongside hyperinflation?

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (2t6Gz)

127 Whacha gonna grow? Marijuana?

Actually, I was thinking pinto beans, corn, and various other vegetables. Also goats and chickens.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (8y9MW)

128
Barky meeting today with Union leaders...

Whatcha bet they come up with some sort of 'penalty' for businesses that lay off people?

Can't you just hear them whining to Barky?
"How do we make them stop firing people? Make them stop!"

The Govt Union leaders were also there.
They are probably demanding a Federal Bailout, of all the states which are broke...and looking at firing state employees.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (ICEh3)

129 It's the new norm.

Get used to it.

We will NEVER be strong again. This country is ruined. And our politicians did it.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (UK9cE)

130 Also goats and chickens.

It gets lonely on the farm. So I hear...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (DrWcr)

131 Free birth control............I was also promised free tampons and damn it....I want my free tampons.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (OWjjx)

132 http://tinyurl.com/bff7os9


The EBT cards will run out then the fun really starts.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (6BgmB)

133 Well. I've always wanted to head out to Texas.....

Me too. Never been there, but I heard everything is bigger in Texas.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (GQ8sn)

134 But there is always four-star general dick-wicking as a distraction ..we've got that.

Posted by: marcus at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (GGCsk)

135 >>Between the potential tax increases and fiscal outlook, everyone is going to the mattresses.

Whoo-Hoo!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 13, 2012 01:44 PM (Fm9UD)

136 15
They don't trade EBT futures yet?


WINNER!!

Posted by: BuckIV at November 13, 2012 01:44 PM (gedHR)

137 You're all dumb, and I'm smart, cuz I use numbers and call Republicans doodooheads.

Posted by: Paul Krugman, genius rhetorician at November 13, 2012 01:44 PM (60GaT)

138 Meanwhile, the gas here has gone down AGAIN. What the heck?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:44 PM (DoZD+)

139
It's all because you republicthugs don't want to hear about me and my beautifully ripped boyfriend [giggle] having rough sex!!!!1!!!

Posted by: jimi fay at November 13, 2012 01:44 PM (YEG/L)

140 Faber's predictions have been crap. He's been peddling the "20% drop in stocks" since 2009. If he does it every year, eventually he'll be right. But in the meantime the stock market is up around 80% since 2009.

Posted by: Angusmc at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (I5ebA)

141 The past 5 years look pretty much like the 1914-1919 numbers. and as we all know Bernanke is 'All In' with QE Infinity.

But we have faster printers so we can keep ahead of inflation!

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (FcR7P)

142 The stock market would not crash if the GOP would stop talking down the economy!

Posted by: The next media meme......wait for it! at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (OWjjx)

143 128 wheatie,

I read Atlas Shrugged and walked away convinced i had to work, Barky watched Atlas Shrugged and said "great pointers"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (LRFds)

144 Wait until the Obama voters figure out there ain't enough money for a sammich.

Posted by: marcus at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (GGCsk)

145 Actually, I was thinking pinto beans, corn, and various other vegetables. Also goats and chickens.

My wife had 5 chickens for about 2 years. We never bought eggs in that time. It got to be a bit much for her, so she eventually gave them up. It's not that hard keeping them, you just need a constant source of water and feed.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (GQ8sn)

146
104
So it looks like AllenG and I are in the market for some hardware. I'm
going to a show this weekend with cash to see if I can cut a better
deal.

For the morons who know, any brands to stay away from?


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:39 PM (GQ8sn)


I'm nosing around as well. Shotgun for this Moron though...

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (da5Wo)

147 133Well. I've always wanted to head out to Texas.....

Me too. Never been there, but I heard everything is bigger in Texas.
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (GQ8sn)________________________________________________________________EVERYTHING? OH MY!

Posted by: Stretched out snatch at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (QW2hm)

148 102

Are the janitors Mexican?

(dutifully playing the part of racist)

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (0PiQ4)

149 I'm nosing around as well. Shotgun for this Moron though...
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (da5Wo)

No crossbow?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (DrWcr)

150 With Amnesty on the horizon, raising goats is pretty good way to make some cash. Mexicans love them some goat meat.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (Fm9UD)

151 Whacha gonna grow? Marijuana?
-----
I was thinking alcohol still. Quicker return on investment. Contemplated weed but the indoor growing cost is fairly unprofitable.

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (2t6Gz)

152 Paul Krugman = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (DoZD+)

153 140 AngusMC,

now factor out QEleventy and the magic bullshitarium engine.

we literally have NO idea of proper valuation thanks to Helicopter ben

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (LRFds)

154 Just a hunch, but most Obama voters couldn't give a fuck about the stock market.

Posted by: boniface ballers at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (l3RZ9)

155 Faber's predictions have been crap. He's been peddling the "20% drop in stocks" since 2009.

To be fair, nobody before March, 2009 had thought of dumping the US Treasury in the stock market.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (FcR7P)

156 Wide load.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (NIZHJ)

157 Paul Krugman = white = going to Hell
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (DoZD+)

FTFY.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (DrWcr)

158 Meanwhile, the gas here has gone down AGAIN. What the heck?

Demand is down. Funny how that works....supply/demand. Its almost as if it is some type of economic law or something. Wonder if former Enron advisor Paul Kruggman knows about this?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (OWjjx)

159 You can also refer to: 'Course of empires,' 'lifecycles of empires,' 'empire traps,' and Niall Ferguson's "Empires with Expiration Dates."

The right is so focused on the trees that it can't see the forest.

iow, you're currentlylackinga vision.At best, you lack a coherent vision for the future. aka: w/o an understanding of the past, you're doomed to repeat it. Repeatedly.

So, we're talking economics in this thread. The regulatory environment prevents, at best hinders, new business start ups. Currenttax lawsrealistically punish thosebusinesses that happen tosucceed.

Local, state and federal budgets are a farce, in all but name, spending more money than they take in ...on a daily basis.

Solution proposed by both parties: Blame someone else and appeal to fear and emotion to getvoters to support your own proposals fordeficit spending.

Result: Absolute Chaos.

This outcvome is always seen at some point during the lifecycle of any nation, kingdom or empire.

Howcan you beginto change the outcome while continuing to ignore or rationalize the warningin the known history of all nations, kingdoms and empires? How to change the outcome while ignoring your own proposals for deficit spending, whileaccusing your opponents of duplicity in their proposals?

Best of all, since bothsides have sold the public on bread and circuses...how do you sell them on balanced budgets and non-deficit spending, now that the money is gone? w/o causing widespread -andoften violent -social unrest? ...the same problem that eventually confronts every nation, kingdom and empire that has ever existed.How do you change or fix what they could not?

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (WwR1j)

160 So no cash in savings or low rate return bonds due to inflation, no stocks or mutual funds. Sucks starting a business with increases in taxes, health care costs and regulatory costs down the pipe. Foreign investments don't seem promising...the whole world economy is a mess. Gold has been speculated up like real estate in 2004-06 during Obama's first 4 years.

So where to put $$$ now? T.I.P.S.? Commodities? Real estate seems ideal due to the market correction and as a hisstorical hedge to inflation, but lending is too tight as banks are wisely avoiding being on the wrong side of the leverage game in a potentially inflationary environment.

Posted by: MostlyRight at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (ZG8Ti)

161 Me too. Never been there, but I heard everything is bigger in Texas.


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:43 PM (GQ8sn)


Does that include boobs*?
*Disclaimer: I love my wife and value my marriage

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 01:47 PM (da5Wo)

162 149 Insomniac,

Rem 870...


then a LongBow

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:47 PM (LRFds)

163 I've actually given this some thought. I haven't decided to "pull the trigger" as it would require a huge sacrifice on the part of my family- but it maybe the right idea anyway.

Here's my thinking.

Pinto beans, cornbread, and chickens saw my family through the Great Depression just fine.
For a subsistence farm, goats are really the livestock of choice.
If things don't actually go all pear shaped, then I'll have a working farm which provides needed staple items, including corn. If things do go all pear shaped, then I'll have a working subsistence farm.

Anyone see any major flaws (besides the fact I'd have a very steep learning curve)?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:47 PM (8y9MW)

164 161 BC1981,

yes...

ask my 13 year old.

he got it he was born in El paso first time I took him to Fprt hood he had a big smile and said "the girls here sure are cute"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:47 PM (LRFds)

165 but the President has a plan- it was printed up and had a cover and everything

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 01:47 PM (8sCoq)

166 154 Just a hunch, but most Obama voters couldn't give a fuck about the stock market.
Posted by: boniface ballers at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (l3RZ9)

That's cause they don't understand their 401k's are evaporating.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (3Y7RV)

167 Wow, stretched out snatch at #147 broke the blog!!!

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)

168 Bernanke = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (DoZD+)

169 Memo to janitors: get used to it.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (0PiQ4)

170
who the hell really knows at this point, the only known fact that he states is the feds will never ever stop spending. Never. Its like the terminator. It will not stop.

my recommendation would be to stock any 'hard assets' you can. doesn't really matter what, gold, silver, whiskey, toilet paper, bullets, chocolate, canned goods, whatever seems reasonable to trade.

Could be 10 or 20 years, could be 10 or 20 months. But it will happen.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (PHb2k)

171 I, for one, see a number of developing markets under the new Obama economy.

Blackmarket food stamps, green energy funding, renting my basement out as a planned parenthood clinic................

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (OWjjx)

172 That's cause they don't understand their 401k's are evaporating.

They have 401k's?

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)

173
127...Actually, I was thinking pinto beans, corn, and various other vegetables. Also goats and chickens.

----------

Llamas, AllenG.
There is some sort of govt program that rewards you for raising Llamas.
Lots of hobby farms are doing that.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (ICEh3)

174 163 Allen G,

no....the only thing I'd add is some chickens and make sure you hire enough guns to kill looters if it comes to that.

Not joking.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (LRFds)

175 Wow, stretched out snatch at #147 broke the blog!!!
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)

Stretched out snatch has ruined many things.

Posted by: Gen. Petraeus at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (DrWcr)

176 So where to put $$$ now?


Guns and survival gear.

Posted by: Adam at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (/YJYi)

177 Boy. our thread got fat.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (3Y7RV)

178 Contemplated weed but the indoor growing cost is fairly unprofitable.


You are tapped into the wrong side of the meter pan.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (Fm9UD)

179 The next step is probably Directive 10-289.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (9TK8E)

180 I haven't quite figured it out but being as the world has spent itself to point of oblivion and that our system cannot ever create enough real or virtual wealth to pay for the deficits we have accrued, there has to be a way to come to a mutually agreed "reset" back to a certain point.

As I have said I don't know what that mechanism could be but I think barring complete and total collapse of the system which is virtually assured on the course we have set, it's the only way out of our predicament.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (RrD4h)

181 @147 - You. In the barrel.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (8y9MW)

182 Somebody broadened this blogs base.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (NIZHJ)

183 So the BSDs are just pushing stuff back and forth over the line.

Is that a Unix joke or did I miss an acronym.

The O2 sensors and computer in your car work the same way pushing back and forth crossing stoich.

Posted by: DaveA at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (MOWP1)

184 Why wouldn't the stock market ride steady alongside hyperinflation?
Posted by: Whatev


Under inflation it would truck along but under hyperinflation a lot of companies, especially those in mfng, won't be able to cope with the costs and shut down. Hyperinflation introduces instability, so, even though the value of a company can shoot skyhigh, it doesn't mean they can operate.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (SX6wc)

185
175
Wow, stretched out snatch at #147 broke the blog!!!

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)



Stretched out snatch has ruined many things.

Posted by: Gen. Petraeus at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (DrWcr)


Amateurs

Posted by: Billy Jeff at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (da5Wo)

186 Rem. 870

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (Fm9UD)

187 Wtf just happened to my screen?

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (0PiQ4)

188 160 Mostly right,

I;d invest in lead, copper, some applied chemical compounds and iron/steel....


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (LRFds)

189 Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 13, 2012 01:40

I had no idea about McAfee. Just read the article. Bath Salts? Guy is worth over 100 million and he is doing bath salts? It sounds like everything he has done since owning McAfee has failed. Spectacularly. Makes you wonder that all this guys (Steve Jobs, Facebook guy) are nothing more than lucky bastards.

Posted by: Long Island at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (hl8SI)

190 "There might come a time when a mutually approved "reset" happens, but we are not there just yet."

The reset would be put together in a matter of 24 hours by some very shocked and scared bankers and government officials throughout the world. Institutions and individuals who stood to loose the most would be restored to some level of parity "out of thin air", with no one complaining because everyone would be in the same boat.

The world financial system is a fiction to begin with. Modifying that fiction slightly to accomodate a reset is an amazingly easy thing to do.

Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (ZDsRL)

191 Oh, and pot dealing. Yup, I see pot as an emerging market in the Obama economy.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (OWjjx)

192 I heard that a bunch of Germans stole all of the gold out of the German gold reserves, all while screaming the German language version of, "The, John McClane, the!"

Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (w4fEE)

193 177 Boy. our thread got fat.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:49 PM (3Y7RV)

Boy? Racist.

Posted by: Maureen Dowd at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (9TK8E)

194 186 Rem. 870

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (Fm9UD)

Yep.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (3Y7RV)

195 Just a hunch, but most Obama voters couldn't give a fuck about the stock market.

Posted by: boniface ballers at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (l3RZ9)



To them, it's the rich finally getting it. Of course for a lot of them, it means mommy and daddy's 401k going to hell. Not that mommy and daddy going broke will provide them with a clue

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (1Jaio)

196 Can we get a delete comment policy about fucking up the format in comments? Cause it basically makes it impossible to read them on my phone after

Posted by: Mr pink at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (EoQ9s)

197 I sure hope this doesn't fuck up the increase in chocolate rations.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (LyF0H)

198 Posted by: boniface ballers at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (l3RZ9)
___
Oh no, recall 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties went for preazy Revenge. My friend told me a woman at the marina where they dock their boat said she didn't care about any of the 47%, she was voting Obama to support her PORTFOLIO...

when I heard that I LMAO for rell. Dumb biatch didn't get that Bernanke released the spigot for more money printing just before the election to drag preazy's ass across the finish line.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (jm/9g)

199 Faber added: “In a democracy, they’re not going to take the pain,
they’re going to kick down the problems and they’re going to get bigger
and bigger.”


What do you think was his first clue?

Posted by: eleven at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (KXm42)

200 Faber? Must be time for ...

A toga party!

Toga! Toga! Toga!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (BAS5M)

201 Theere's a Broadwell joke in here somewhere.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (r2PLg)

202 Rem. 870 Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (Fm9UD) Yep.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (3Y7RV)

I second that. Or third it. Whatever. I've got one and it's great.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (DrWcr)

203 I wonder if the landlord of this hovel would be pissed off If I raised chickens in the crawlspace for a year, and then moved. t doesn't say anything about chickens in the crawl space in the lease.

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 01:51 PM (2t6Gz)

204
I had no idea about McAfee. Just read the
article. Bath Salts? Guy is worth over 100 million and he is doing bath
salts? It sounds like everything he has done since owning McAfee has
failed. Spectacularly. Makes you wonder that all this guys (Steve Jobs,
Facebook guy) are nothing more than lucky bastards.


Posted by: Long Island at November 13, 2012 01:50 PM (hl8SI)


He ain't worth no 100 million anymore....

Posted by: © Sponge at November 13, 2012 01:52 PM (UK9cE)

205 Wow, stretched out snatch at #147 broke the blog!!!

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)



Stretched out snatch has ruined many things.

Posted by: Gen. Petraeus at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (DrWcr)


Tell me about it. Mine looks likes a broken slinky. It was probably the Jews.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at November 13, 2012 01:52 PM (OWjjx)

206 the only thing I'd add is some chickens and make sure you hire enough guns to kill looters if it comes to that.

Chickens was already in the plan (earlier comment).

As for the guns... it's a family farm. I suspect that if bug-out time comes, I'll be joined by much of my family. My mom and aunt were taught to shoot by their dad. My uncle, dad, and brother were all in the military.

I figure we'll do well enough, there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:52 PM (8y9MW)

207 Boy. our thread got fat.

If this thread hadn't let itself go, then maybe we wouldn't have reason to post on other threads.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:52 PM (GQ8sn)

208
143 128 wheatie,

I read Atlas Shrugged and walked away convinced i had to work, Barky watched Atlas Shrugged and said "great pointers"

-------------

I'm sure he did, Sven.
But just like with the idea of 'reparations'...he probably thought that thetyranny displayed in Atlas Shrugged, didn't "go far enough".

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 01:53 PM (ICEh3)

209 194 OSP,

I'm debating getting a tactical rifled slug barrel and ditching my .308 I doubt I am gonna be sniping anything and I just want to get to my cantonment if it comes to that.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:53 PM (LRFds)

210 Wages have to increase too along with prices for hyperinflation. Wages are collapsing,so you'll get a deflationary debt depression and like it.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 13, 2012 01:53 PM (6BgmB)

211 Broadwell says to his doctor "Hey doc, it hurts when I do this".......

Posted by: eleven at November 13, 2012 01:53 PM (KXm42)

212 Theere's a Broadwell joke in here somewhere.

30,000 pages of them.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at November 13, 2012 01:53 PM (LyF0H)

213 Not that mommy and daddy going broke will provide them with a clue

A swift kick in the ass still won't give some of them a clue.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 01:54 PM (OWjjx)

214 Anyone see any major flaws (besides the fact I'd have a very steep learning curve)?

Do you have soil? Rain matters. Goats are a pain in the ass (too nimble, too smart) but I guess they'd be good for scrub land.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:54 PM (FcR7P)

215 163 AllenG,

Well we do know that foreign companies are coming into the US and buying prime farmland. That might just be a clue.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 13, 2012 01:54 PM (ccXZP)

216 Blacksheep @ 97
"Will we fall to barbarians as a result? No, thanks to our geographic isolation ..."
Ahem ...

Posted by: Mexico at November 13, 2012 01:54 PM (0APJ3)

217 If this thread hadn't let itself go, then maybe we wouldn't have reason to post on other threads.

This just might be the thread winner.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:54 PM (8y9MW)

218
Republicans are so upset at losing the election they are crashing the stock market.

Yes, I realize how stupid this is, but you will hear it repeated endlessly on the MSM.

Posted by: MJ at November 13, 2012 01:55 PM (TR60b)

219 Natalie Portman = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:55 PM (DoZD+)

220 Faber added: “In a democracy, they’re not going to take the pain,
they’re going to kick down the problems and they’re going to get bigger
and bigger.”

And that's true, and it makes me whimper. Are we really that dumb?

Evidently, the answer is a resounding "Yes!"

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 01:55 PM (mKMj1)

221 215 GnuBreed,

There's an app for that.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:55 PM (LRFds)

222 I am out. These people took teh country and now we can all exisit in it, But it is gone. It is over. No repairing it at this point.

Posted by: Stretched out snatch at November 13, 2012 01:55 PM (QW2hm)

223 217
If this thread hadn't let itself go, then maybe we wouldn't have reason to post on other threads.

This just might be the thread winner.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:54 PM (8y9MW)


*bows*

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:55 PM (GQ8sn)

224 Oliver Stone derides Petraeus as a--

"show man."


--because he wears all those medals--and it's--

"disgusting."

Only the cool kids throw fake medals and keep their real ones like--

John Kerry.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 01:55 PM (r2PLg)

225 Analyst: Romney will win

Posted by: Closing Time at November 13, 2012 01:56 PM (1crPI)

226
147...
________________________________________________________________EVERYTHING? OH MY!

Posted by: Stretched out snatch at November 13, 2012 01:45 PM (QW2hm)

----------------

Your snatch got 'All up In our thread'.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 01:56 PM (ICEh3)

227 Do you have soil? Rain matters. Goats are a pain in the ass (too nimble, too smart) but I guess they'd be good for scrub land.

Yeah. Enough. Like I said, the farm did all of that (except for the goats, but had cows instead) back in the Great Depression.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:56 PM (8y9MW)

228 216 mexico,

a six pack of coors for a scalp

//Texas

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:56 PM (LRFds)

229
219
Natalie Portman = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:55 PM (DoZD+)


But first she will.....*

*Disclaimer: I love my wife and value my marriage

Posted by: Billy Jeff at November 13, 2012 01:56 PM (da5Wo)

230 The bad news: Obama reelected - more regulation, less drilling, having to suffer through his smug incompetence etc.

The good news: seeing as the market has been as flat as Natalie Portman for the last 13 years, it's pretty cheap i.e. in 2000 S&P 500 23 times earnings vs 2012 S&P 500 13 times

The final bit of bad news: there are no rules (yet) that govern how low the market can go. Lop off 20%? Yep, we can do that.


Posted by: Ed Gibbon at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (4eNxd)

231 Not only do we have free birth control pills but also a good sex scandal. Throw in some free vaseline or KY jelly and we are set for the winter.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (79ueO)

232 Natalie Portman = white Joo = going to Hell



FIFM.

Posted by: Gordon Duff at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (/YJYi)

233 Oliver Stone = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (DoZD+)

234 @190

Well it might be closer to happening.

I have seen estimates that all of our unfunded liabilities are $107 trillion dollars and total world wide debt will grow to over $200 Trillion.

Their isn't enough real or imagined money to pay for that so the "reset" will happen at some point.

The question is when and what is the trigger?


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (RrD4h)

235 Wages are collapsing,so you'll get a deflationary debt depression and like it.

Barry's in charge of government wages and government handouts. Some wages will collapse. Curiously, you'll be able to relabel a red-blue county map to show wages increases.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (FcR7P)

236 I'll never ever learn.


/sock off

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (da5Wo)

237 I approve of this thread.

Posted by: Pontiac at November 13, 2012 01:58 PM (jucos)

238 FORWARD over the fiscal cliff

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 01:58 PM (1Jaio)

239 @AllenG,
Other than the fact that corn is a bitch and a half to grow No none at all.
Does Pinto replenish nitrogen the way Alfalfa and Soybeans do? If not you'll want to put in a rotation of that.
Modern Corn (i.e. anything you're going to buy to grow) is such a nitrogen suck they it requires copious amounts of fertilizer (and thus water) to keep it going.
Or, you can do a heavy crop rotation.
For a while people were trying to stagger their fields by row (rather than crop rotating) I never finished reading how that worked out.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 01:58 PM (u1Lwt)

240 John Mellencamp = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:58 PM (DoZD+)

241 *Disclaimer: I love my wife and value my marriage


Posted by: Billy Jeff at November 13, 2012 01:56 PM (da5Wo)


Lmao.

Posted by: Adam at November 13, 2012 01:58 PM (/YJYi)

242 Oliver Stone = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (DoZD+)



Barry = half white = going to Purgatory?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 01:58 PM (1Jaio)

243 234 GW,

Rick Perry Sending a copy of the Declaration of Independence with the US Constitution, and a letter signed by the texas legislature saying "these two things still apply and we're invoking them."

Might be it....

"hoping"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:59 PM (LRFds)

244
You can also be assured of this, those with powerful political and financial connections will come out whole. The citizens will take the brunt of the trouble.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2012 01:59 PM (PHb2k)

245 242 TQM,

I'll join him for other reasons.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:59 PM (LRFds)

246 Wages have to increase too along with prices for
hyperinflation. Wages are collapsing,so you'll get a deflationary debt
depression and like it.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade


And, more importantly, credit. Increasing credit -> multiplier effect -> acceleration.

Although I just thought of a scenario outside of those; if China ever loses control of its currency, if it shoots skyhigh, we could see US prices suddenly jump.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (SX6wc)

247
Around $400-$450B has left the stock market since Wednesday, November 7th.

It was probably a demonstration that got out of hand caused by a YouTube video.

Posted by: MJ at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (TR60b)

248 Last thread, Hollowpoint:

"You feel free to rage against the machine and stay home for the rest of
your life when we don't get a Perfect Conservative candidate who shares
your priorities 100%."

You're right. The GOP is moving toward 100% conservatism.

Fool.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (zpqa2)

249 Annnnd Obama is rewarding his supporters in Ohio;

Ohioans’ food stamp aid to be reduced


Benefit to fall $50 a month starting in January


http://tinyurl.com/blf4e48

Posted by: Obama Voter at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (GGCsk)

250 Throw in some free vaseline or KY jelly and we are set for the winter.Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (79ueO)

Spoken like someone who works on a sub base.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (sbV1u)

251 Modern Corn (i.e. anything you're going to buy to grow) is such a
nitrogen suck they it requires copious amounts of fertilizer (and thus
water) to keep it going.


Actually, I'd be looking specifically for non-hybrid types, because I'd need some for seed as well.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (8y9MW)

252 Just to give a slightly more positive spin on the world as it circles the drain:
http://tinyurl.com/cxos39y

Posted by: pep at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (YXmuI)

253
Barry = half white = going to Purgatory?




Yeah, I keep wondering about that one. He's like Voldemort.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:01 PM (DoZD+)

254 Around $400-$450B has left the stock market since Wednesday, November 7th.

It was probably a demonstration that got out of hand caused by a YouTube video.
Posted by: MJ at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (TR60b)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Fuckin' Mohammed Film Maker.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 13, 2012 02:01 PM (jucos)

255 Dumbledore = white = going to Hell

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:01 PM (DoZD+)

256 Me?
Heading to PA for a pit stop with family, get my shit together and head to SC.

Bahamas look good too.

Posted by: mpfs at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (iYbLN)

257
EC @ 88:

Actually, those investors were promised a picture of a gold bar, not the real thing.

I think most gold investors do this. I've long suspected there are more investors in gold than there is metal to invest in. IMO, it's just another 'bubble'...a scam that relies on the gullible, and a govt that turns a blind eye.

If you invest a thousand dollars in gold, and do not receive a thousand dollars of gold in your hand at the time of purchase, chances are very good that you're dabbling in futures, and the projected output of virtual mines, filtered through shady investment scams that will never be able to pay off more investors than is required to keep their Ponzi schemes going.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (L7hol)

258 Barry = half white = going to Purgatory?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 01:58 PM (1Jaio)


Barky's a carrier of Purgatory.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (X3lox)

259 Annnnd Obama is rewarding his supporters in Ohio;

Ohioans’ food stamp aid to be reduced



Benefit to fall $50 a month starting in January


http://tinyurl.com/blf4e48



Posted by: Obama Voter at November 13, 2012 02:00 PM (GGCsk)


It's all Bush' fault

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (1Jaio)

260 Barry = half white = going to Purgatory? Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 01:58 PM (1Jaio)

No, Purgatory implies you'll eventually see the face of God.

Barky has flipped off God so many times, he's not going to have to worry about seeing his face at all.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (sbV1u)

261 On the first business day after bakers went on strike against Hostess Brands, the Irving-based company said Monday it will permanently close three striking bakeries, putting 627 employees out of work.

Late Friday, the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union went on strike against Irving-based Hostess to protest cuts and give-backs in the company’s last, best, final contract offer. The contract, which was rejected by 92 percent of the union members who voted, called, in part, for 8 percent pay cuts, a company hiatus from contributions to a multi-employer pension plan and changes in work rules.

As of Monday, bakers had set up picket lines at about 23 of the 36 bakeries and production plants operated by the bankrupt snack maker. Hostess said the strike “has prevented the facilities from producing and delivering products.”

“Our customers will not be affected because we will continue to serve them from other Hostess Brands bakeries, but sadly this action will result in the permanent closure of three facilities and the loss of 627 jobs,” said Gregory Rayburn, Hostess Brands’ chief executive.

“We deeply regret this decision, but we have repeatedly explained that we will close facilities that are no longer able to produce and deliver products because of a work stoppage — and that we will close the entire company if widespread strikes cripple our business.”

The bakeries to be closed immediately are in Seattle, St. Louis and Cincinnati. The Seattle facility employs 110 people and produces Hostess cake products. The St. Louis facility employs 365 people and produces Hostess cakes and Nature’s Pride and Wonder breads.

Another Union victory. I bet it is gonna be a happy XMas for all them union folks without jobs what so ever. Drink up pals

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (79ueO)

262 Christ, here we go:

1) Faber is a one trick pony. His newsletter is named the Gloom, Boom Doom Report for fucks sake. He might accidentally be right this time, but he's still a hack.

2) Market drawdowns of 20% are pretty common. We've had two declines in excess of 50% in the last 12 years. I could predict a 20% rally and we could both be right.

3) All of you whining about the market not reflecting the true value of companies really don't get it. That's not what the market does - ever. The market reflects investor opinion of the future value of companies. Insisting your opinion is the better, truer interpretation of what you think are the relevant facts are why you are probably a bad investor.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (+lsX1)

263 Bahamas look good too. Posted by: mpfs at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (iYbLN)

Bring sunscreen. Lots of sunscreen.

And a big floppy hat.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (sbV1u)

264 No, Purgatory implies you'll eventually see the face of God.

Barky has flipped off God so many times, he's not going to have to worry about seeing his face at all.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (sbV1u)


Were you on the thread where I told what my 5 yr old said in her kindergarten class the day before the election?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (da5Wo)

265 So we're supposed to buy Papa John's Pizza on Friday? I need a spreadsheet to keep up with all the dos and don'ts.

Posted by: NCKate at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (MsQkt)

266 totally on board with sven's secession ideas. gotta be mo betta welfare bennies down there somewhere

Posted by: unclear on the concept at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (80jKI)

267 The reason I posted the Weimar hyperinflation #s was to show that things don't always go in a nice neat orderly progression.

Sometimes you get a phase shift, like supercooled water suddenly turning into ice in a flash.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (ccXZP)

268 210 Wages have to increase too along with prices for hyperinflation. Wages are collapsing,so you'll get a deflationary debt depression and like it.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 13, 2012 01:53 PM (6BgmB)


Wages have stagnated, then declined, and now are collapsing because wage slaves have been taking their compensation raises in ever costly benefit packages. As many of us, but few of them, realize, benefits have a tangible cost to the provider but aren't valued by a non-vested consumer/worker seeing them as "fringe," "expected," and "free."

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (jfUIE)

269 Oh, and Let It Burn.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (jfUIE)

270 For the morons who know, any brands to stay away from?


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 01:39 PM (GQ8sn)

Never been a fan of Olympic Arms for ARs, although there are some far worse. Hard to beat a Bushmaster or SW. No exotic calibers, stick with 5.56mm (.223)
Hand hardware to avoid: Taurus revolvers (the autos are OK with the 92 being an excellent Beretta clone), any Smith auto except the MP series. I personally hate anything Walther. Glocks are a love/hate thing. I hate them for their grip angle and the aesthetics of a two-by-four.
BUYS (if you can afford): HK anything.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (JJ+PT)

271 Were you on the thread where I told what my 5 yr old said in her kindergarten class the day before the election Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (da5Wo)

No

Do tell.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (sbV1u)

272 257

EC @ 88:

Actually, those investors were promised a picture of a gold bar, not the real thing.

I
think most gold investors do this. I've long suspected there are more
investors in gold than there is metal to invest in. IMO, it's just
another 'bubble'...a scam that relies on the gullible, and a govt that
turns a blind eye.

If you invest a thousand dollars in gold, and
do not receive a thousand dollars of gold in your hand at the time of
purchase, chances are very good that you're dabbling in futures, and the
projected output of virtual mines, filtered through shady investment
scams that will never be able to pay off more investors than is required
to keep their Ponzi schemes going.


Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (L7hol)


I've never understood how people buy gold and not physically get it. I want to see that bar of gold, in my hands.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (GQ8sn)

273 262 GEH,

yeah now explain to me that you are not supposed to engage in more thought for a healthy plumb than playing roulette on a laptop....

dividentiture as goal is gone....

this is just ITrade wrote large.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:05 PM (LRFds)

274 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (79ueO)
-----------------------------------------------------
What surprises me most about this Hostess deal is that they actually bake the treats. I thought the end product was the result of some chemical reaction.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 13, 2012 02:05 PM (jucos)

275 So we're supposed to buy Papa John's Pizza on Friday? I need a spreadsheet to keep up with all the dos and don'ts.
Posted by: NCKate at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (MsQkt)


I am normally on board with all these things and would glad to spend my hard earned money at Papa John's but G-D damn that shit is vile

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 02:05 PM (79ueO)

276 what happened to the chick fil a voters

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 02:05 PM (8sCoq)

277 Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 01:57 PM (da5Wo)

Did you see my response to your declaration on a previous thread?

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 13, 2012 02:05 PM (aJahi)

278 I'm still thinking Whiskey still is the way to go. Screw the chicken in the crawl space idea. The smell could be contained with a big carbon filter.

On a more serious note - I'd recommend reading up on how the russians did it after that collapse. Can't remember the name of the book and can't find it at the moment.

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 02:06 PM (2t6Gz)

279 Purgatory? Papist.

Posted by: The Orthodox Church at November 13, 2012 02:06 PM (9TK8E)

280
Be happy. 4 years of of golf buddy no-responsibiliyt Obama and then we can have Hillry. Teh smart socialist.

Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 02:06 PM (O7ksG)

281 Purgatory? Papist. Posted by: The Orthodox Church at November 13, 2012 02:06 PM (9TK8E)

And proud.

You heretic, you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (sbV1u)

282 275 And Olive Garden and Applebee's.

Posted by: NCKate at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (MsQkt)

283 @AllenG,

It's true even among the non-hybrid types though. We've done enough artificial selection that our corn is hyper-growing basically even before we started tweaking with it Monsanto Style.
(We selected for corn that produces the most and biggest cobs, well, actually tiny cobs large numerous kernels but you get the idea.)
That level of rapid growth is nitrogen intensive, always has been. This was partially what set up the dustbowl (and then we kept doing it after that.)
The Hybrid forms are just even worse.
I had a friend who grew non-hybrid corn in his back yard, he got in one row, because it took his effort to do it.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying throw in a nitrogen replenisher (like Soybeans) unless the Pintos cover that (I honestly don't know. My guess would be yes, but I'm unfamiliar with Pinto growing. It would seem they would)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (u1Lwt)

284 You ever get that feeling that you're stuck all alone on a boat filled with a bad Commander and a bunch of crazy-ass idiots clamoring for stuff?

Talk about deja-vu.
_

Posted by: Fletcher Christen at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (RuUvx)

285 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9LVRHigxiE[/url]

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (jfUIE)

286 you're not assposed to eat papa johns pizza but just throw it out. its a trashcan deodorant like those trees for the car.

Posted by: unclear on the concept at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (80jKI)

287 Posted by: Joe Mama at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (JJ+PT)

I have a plain-Jane Bushmaster, and while I have nothing to compare it to, it has never jammed and nothing has broken in about 5,000 rounds.

It is also immensely fun to shoot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (GsoHv)

288 Also, vis a vis gold. I will take your gold if I choose to if you are not armed. I will be armed. Gold won't do most people any good at all when the SHTF.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (jucos)

289 Peyton Manning just bought a shitload of Papa John's restaurants

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (8sCoq)

290 266 unclear on the concept,

I'm not there yet but that's what's making sense.

the left uses politics to do their Christmas shopping and destroy folk to feed their hunter instincts and I use it to try to breathe....

thus far they seem more adept at adding weight to my chest than I am getting away from it.

FreeShitArmy bringing Mexico in to help means I die either way.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (LRFds)

291 Everything important I know can be told through a fairy tale.



The Emperor has no clothes = Barky McFucksticks
The Little Dutchboy with his fingers in the dam = Conservatives
The Ant and the Grasshopper = the 47% and the 52%

The goose that laid the golden eggs = killed by progressives because they "just" had to have free chicken.


Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (nELVU)

292 Never been a fan of Olympic Arms for ARs, although
there are some far worse. Hard to beat a Bushmaster or SW. No exotic
calibers, stick with 5.56mm (.223)
Hand hardware to avoid: Taurus
revolvers (the autos are OK with the 92 being an excellent Beretta
clone), any Smith auto except the MP series. I personally hate anything
Walther. Glocks are a love/hate thing. I hate them for their grip angle
and the aesthetics of a two-by-four.
BUYS (if you can afford): HK anything.


Posted by: Joe Mama at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (JJ+PT)

I already have a HK USP and a Sig P229 in .40SW. I'm looking for some long guns now.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (GQ8sn)

293 I am normally on board with all these things and would glad to spend my
hard earned money at Papa John's but G-D damn that shit is vile


I love Papa John's. Especially their garlic breadsticks. Yum.

what happened to the chick fil a voters

That is a very good question- one that I haven't seen asked previously.

What did happen to them? You can't claim that Akin and Mourdock scared them off- they were all "Values Voters." Were they also part of the Free Stuff Army? Were they put off by the GOP Establishment coming down so hard on Akin? Where did they go?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (8y9MW)

294 so some smart person tell me the advantages of rolling my 401k in to an IRA

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (8sCoq)

295 And Olive Garden and Applebee's.
Posted by: NCKate at November 13, 2012 02:07 PM (MsQkt)


Yeah and Applebee's served Vets free and they have cold beer. Good choice.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (79ueO)

296 The Rem 870 was alright att one time, but the newer ones crap.

The Mossberg 500 is a better price/value, and more durable IMO.

Made in Texas, too
:-D

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (JJ+PT)

297 But Bronco Bamma is President! Yay!

Posted by: Sweet Little Abbie, Age 4 at November 13, 2012 02:09 PM (znT2j)

298 209 194 OSP,

I'm debating getting a tactical rifled slug barrel and ditching my .308 I doubt I am gonna be sniping anything and I just want to get to my cantonment if it comes to that.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:53 PM (LRFds)

I am really hesitant to post on and open thread what I have and what I know. There are literally hundreds of sights dedicated to this. I sometimes frequent a place called sipset street irregulars. There are some really smart people on there that are beyond anything I can tell you. My advice on firearms is this.

Pick something with plentiful ammo, .223 or 7.62. Shotguns are a must for close in protection and hunting. A tactical shotgun and a hunting shotgun are very different animals. Have one of each or with an 870 you can keep parts to build either. Handguns, one for each member of your crew, once again, choose one with plentiful common Ammo. I am no expert but I know a few. No matter what you have the most important thing is to get good with it, really good with it. Be able to shoot from all positions left and right handed. If your weapons are not loaded and available they are worthless. Combat of any kind is so different from anything you see on TV or in the movies. Get Professional help and use common sense. From what I read here you have more than enough of that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 02:09 PM (3Y7RV)

299 And Olive Garden and Applebee's.

I don't know about Applebee's, but OG is owned by Darden Restaurants- who were big supporters of ObamaCare. F Them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 02:09 PM (8y9MW)

300
271
Were you on the thread where I told what my 5 yr old said in her
kindergarten class the day before the election Posted by: BCochran1981
at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (da5Wo)

-------

No

Do tell.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (sbV1u)


Oh man. So my wife picks her up from school and the eldest tells her that they talked about the election in class and that they were going to vote tomorrow. (I'm slightly annoyed by this. 5 yr olds shouldn't be involved in political process and they're too young to truly grasp what's going on.) She says that the teacher told them to talk to their parents about who to vote for. Here's where it gets interesting. She then pipes up "Mommy, Ms. Roy must not have a brain in her head." "Why would you say that baby?" "Because she told us about how she's voting for Obama. (Yeah, I was pissed at this point.) I raised my hand and told her "Well, I'm voting for Mitt Romney. He knows how to make money and believes in Jesus. Obama doesn't."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 02:09 PM (da5Wo)

301 A lot of those gold bars people think they got stashed with some gold depository will turn out to be counterfeit too. The people who run those depositories are busily substituting fake for customer's real stuff.

The bad news is that a lot of terrorists and Eurotrash are gonna wind up cornering the world's tungsten market.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 13, 2012 02:10 PM (NIdfj)

302 Faber has basically been saying the same thing forever, I'm a bit skeptical of permabears even though I cashed out as soon as it was clear Romney wasn't going to win, mainly to beat the stampede that are cashing out before the increase in taxes.

I think liberalism/socialism is doomed to fail, but it will probably be a slow default. Think California over the last 30 years, but somehow it keeps going.

Let's be honest, did any conservatives think socialist Europe would have lasted this long?


Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 02:10 PM (aVSeo)

303
Matt Damon = white = going to Hell


Has that crap movie of his come out yet?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (DoZD+)

304 lol

http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/ abc-affiliate-ran-phony-cover-broadwell-book_663264.html

Posted by: JDP at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (60GaT)

305 294 Jones in CO,

you confuse the government long enough they miss stealing it for about 5 minutes?

No seriously an IRA is a pool YOU control the 401k is employer controlled in most cases or at a minimum employer contractor guided.....

Ogabe has plans for the retirement holdings....we're all screwed now comrade.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (LRFds)

306 Grey Fox,


Yes, I did.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (da5Wo)

307 Of course what Faber does not say is that the markets are manipulated to "create" growth where none exists. The numbers will keep getting better and better overall until there is a sudden and total collapse that can't be jiggered by phony trades and bogus earnings.

Last time I looked (today), the Dow is climbing, albeit only slightly. Some supply-store chain (Home Depot?) said there are "signs" the housing market is improving, which at a guess is because people who can't afford to hire are doing their own work and buying some supplies.

But it is inevitable that the bill will become due and payable for Choom Boy's stupidity. The last of his so-called investments (such as GM) are far from stable financially.

What is he going to do when the unions, which have blindly supported him to get their payoffs, suddenly find out the Free Shit Train has come to a total stop? What happens when teachers and government "workers" can't buy basic necessities? What happens when the welfare recipients are cut off from their free phones, cable TV and Escalades?

Answer: no one knows, but it will not be good for any of us. We'll see the bills. And be expected to pay. Immediately, and in full.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (yKUrR)

308 yeah now explain to me that you are not supposed to engage in more
thought for a healthy plumb than playing roulette on a laptop....


Right-o, fiddle the bumstop for a bladwsort and what not.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (+lsX1)

309 299 Fox has them in trouble with the Libs for bad mouthing Obamacare.

Posted by: NCKate at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (MsQkt)

310
dilithium crystals



Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (jUytm)

311 So we're supposed to buy Papa John's Pizza on Friday? I need a spreadsheet to keep up with all the dos and don'ts.

Posted by: NCKate at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (MsQkt)



And don't forget about "Post your boobehs day" on Saturday!

Posted by: NC Ref at November 13, 2012 02:12 PM (dVJLS)

312 OT...I'm too lazy to read all the 300+ comments but did y'all see this...I don't think I have laughed this hard since before the election

http://tinyurl.com/apgeub3

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 13, 2012 02:12 PM (JWLqy)

313 Has that crap movie of his come out yet?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:11 PM (DoZD+)

You will need to be a lot more specific.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 02:12 PM (GsoHv)

314 Posted by: Joe Mama at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (JJ+PT)

I've got a Mossberg 835 I picked up used.
I love that gun. It's basically the 500 series with an overbored barrel to reduce kick.
I picked up a slug barrel which gets used this weekend at Deer camp.
I might pick up the adjustable trigger for it, I haven't decided yet. It's a nice gun, well made, wood. Easy enough to take apart once you get the hang of it.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 02:13 PM (u1Lwt)

315 I don't know about Applebee's, but OG is owned by Darden Restaurants- who were big supporters of ObamaCare. F Them.

And yet, they were the first ones to announce layoffs and hour-cutting after the election.

Fucking logic, how does it work?

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 02:13 PM (GQ8sn)

316 I wish I still believed in a god.
Then I could pretend there is a divine plan, and after our suffering, everything might work out.

But I don't.
And there isn't
And it won't.

Posted by: MrShad at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (Xqfwb)

317 ABC’s Denver affiliate is coming under fire for accidentally running a phony cover of Paula Broadwell’s biography of General David Petraeus. The cover read, "All Up In My Snatch". The real book title is "All In".

Posted by: Obama 2013 at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (e8kgV)

318 298 OSP,

Thanks and I understand about infosec, but I look back on the mistakes I made when I doubted the power of NSA and understand that if it happens I'm screwed and will have to run.

I'm serious while we were off defending Lady Liberty we forgot to check her pulse.

Good luck man.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (LRFds)

319 And yet, they were the first ones to announce layoffs and hour-cutting after the election.

Fucking logic, how does it work?
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 02:13 PM (GQ8sn)

Liberals: Do as we say, NOT as we do!

Get with the program

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (79ueO)

320 Letting your acres go back to the wild.

In my neck of the woods it's called the Conservation Reserve Program or CRP. You can put some of your acreage out in this and farm the rest. You get paid on a per acre basis.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (3R0Zs)

321 This country is ruined. And our politicians did it.


Posted by: © Sponge

Nope. We, and our friends and neighbors, did it. The politicians did not spring, fully formed, from the head of Zeus; we elected them.

I'm pretty pissed off, too.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (mKMj1)

322 And yet, they were the first ones to announce layoffs and hour-cutting after the election.

They're not cutting hours much. I was a waiter for an Olive Garden once, if you were an hourly employee getting more than about 25 hours a week, something was wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (8y9MW)

323 This thread is like the US Government.

Fat, bloated and overbearing.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 13, 2012 02:15 PM (UK9cE)

324
Olive Garden was one of the restaurant chains that got an Obamacare Waiver.
So did McDonalds.

Those waivers expire, end of the year...right?

Question is...will Barky bring back the O-care Waivers, to try to stave off all the layoffs?

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 02:15 PM (ICEh3)

325 As an independent observer (ie UK citizen).

Do you not read your own posts? It is the market reacting to not decreased profitability, but they overpriced the stocks. Share prices are in a bubble, and have been for a long time.

In other words, SHARE PRICES ARE OVER INFLATED.

Now, it does not behoove me to point fingers, but ITS THE SAME FUGGERS WHO CRASHED THE MARKET IN THE FIRST PLACE THAT INFLATED SHARE PRICES.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 02:15 PM (8I6vf)

326 What is this fiscal cliff you speak of? Will it affect my cheese andabortion allotment?

Posted by: Julia at November 13, 2012 02:16 PM (YOZSv)

327 I had a friend who grew non-hybrid corn in his back yard, he got in one row, because it took his effort to do it.

If I'm forced to, and if I make it back across the country, I'm going the grass-based route. This way I don't need corn cribs and silos, just big-ass freezers for meat.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 02:16 PM (FcR7P)

328 The worst part is, as a male I receive no free birth control. I truly am fucked I guess.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 13, 2012 02:16 PM (t06LC)

329 308 GEH,

Yeah I get that you tell me what gain there is in the markets having decided that my grandpa who climbed out of the GD with the help of my refugee banker's daughter from Russia's help using stocks and dividends methods obsolete....

never mind I don't care anymore.

Good luck.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:16 PM (LRFds)

330 In my neck of the woods it's called the Conservation Reserve Program or
CRP. You can put some of your acreage out in this and farm the rest. You
get paid on a per acre basis.


Okay, I've got 160 acres. I would only need about 40 (probably less) to have a more-than-subsistence farm. You're saying for doing what I would do with the other 120 anyway (that is to say: nothing) I would get paid? Seriously?

No one sees the problem with this?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 02:16 PM (8y9MW)

331
Forward year tax receipts would be a win-win if it were not for the fact that the SCOAMTT wants to build a worker's paradise from our ashes.

Posted by: Justamom at November 13, 2012 02:17 PM (Sptt8)

332
so some smart person tell me the advantages of rolling my 401k in to an IRA Posted by: Jones in CO


If you still work for the company that set up the 401k, it sounds like a bad idea. You would lose their contribution, IIRC. You want their matching funds even if you're locked into a few investing portfolio options.

If you aren't working for the co. then you would be able to choose the investment portfolio if you rolled it into an IRA.

If we're talking serious money here, I'd talk to a FOR FEE ONLY investment advisor before you do anything.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 02:17 PM (SX6wc)

333 They're not cutting hours much. I was a waiter for an Olive Garden once, if you were an hourly employee getting more than about 25 hours a week, something was wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (8y9MW)

I think whats killing a lot of these restaurants are food prices. Portions are getting smaller, steak is getting tougher, veggies are more frozen and less fresh. More pocessed meats in sandwiches. They are all struggling.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 02:17 PM (3Y7RV)

334 325 KM,

bang on observation dear man.

KM if you're ever hear one evening I'd like to tell you the perspective of a scion of a family that got kicked out of England post Cromwell and what I think of our revolution now.

Hope you are well.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:18 PM (LRFds)

335 No one sees the problem with this?

I have always seen a problem with this. It's why I'm always on about eliminating the Dept of Ag.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (4+LTj)

336
KM makes hot dogs

the ones with the skin on 'em

Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (jUytm)

337 328 The worst part is, as a male I receive no free birth control
--

Well, as a single male I do have birth control. It's called "unemployment".

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (Y5I9o)

338 333 OSP,

remember that joke we made about Ogabe when he was attacking Romney for Seamus?

Yeah google St. petersburgh russia 1917 and tell me what was on the menu at 5 star eating joints.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (LRFds)

339 I only wish the economy the last 13 years had been as flat as Natalie Portman.

Link in sig for the incredible growth this country deserves

Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (w4fEE)

340 Jeez--did almost ever Republicanish blogger go on that NRO cruise?

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (r2PLg)

341 I am normally on board with all these things and would glad to spend my
hard earned money at Papa John's but G-D damn that shit is vile


I tried it once. Once.

Posted by: eleven at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (KXm42)

342 So Barry had a little meeting today with his union buddies. much celebrating going on there I bet..... Card check anyone...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 13, 2012 02:20 PM (9+ccr)

343
Remember VICTOR KIAM?

he owned Norelco

and then he owned the NE Patriots

now he's dead

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 13, 2012 02:20 PM (jUytm)

344 Ben will keep propping up the market. It will hold more air.

Crank up the QE presses...

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 02:20 PM (zpqa2)

345 289 "Peyton Manning just bought a shitload of Papa John's restaurants"

In Colorado . . . a week before they legalized pot.

The man is a genius

Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2012 02:20 PM (w4fEE)

346 The man is a genius
Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2012 02:20 PM (w4fEE)

Said the same thing to Mrs Sailor.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 02:21 PM (3Y7RV)

347
I don't know about Applebee's, but OG is owned by Darden Restaurants- who were big supporters of ObamaCare. F Them.





Is there a big list somewhere of what businesses, etc supported and donated to Barky?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:21 PM (DoZD+)

348 @341
I don't care what you say. The breadsticks are awesome. Its probably the best chain pizza, which isn't saying much, but whatever.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (t06LC)

349 I wish I still believed in a god.Then I could pretend there is a divine plan, and after our suffering, everything might work out.But I don't.And there isn'tAnd it won't.
Posted by: MrShad at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (Xqfwb)


-----------------------------------------------------


Shit. With nothing to live by or for, why bother, huh? You're part of the problem. BTW. People who believe like you are the ones that usually end up putting a shotgun in their mouth.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (n6eVv)

350 Ben will keep propping up the market. It will hold more air.

Crank up the QE presses...


Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 02:20 PM (zpqa2)


"Ask engineering if 105% is possible.""Engineering says 105% possible, but not recommended."*drags on cigarette*"Tell engineering to go to 105% on the engines.""What is it, Captain? What are we doing?""We're going to kill an old friend."

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (GQ8sn)

351 Yeah I get that you tell me what gain there is in the markets having
decided that my grandpa who climbed out of the GD with the help of my
refugee banker's daughter from Russia's help using stocks and dividends
methods obsolete....


Sorry, I don't speak Esperanto. No idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (+lsX1)

352
330 In my neck of the woods it's called the Conservation Reserve Program or
CRP. You can put some of your acreage out in this and farm the rest. You
get paid on a per acre basis.



Okay, I've got 160 acres. I would only need about 40 (probably less) to have a more-than-subsistence farm. You're saying for doing what I would do with the other 120 anyway (that is to say: nothing) I would get paid? Seriously?

No one sees the problem with this?

--------------

Yeah, AllenG.
That's the program I was referring to upthread.

You can also grow soy beans...and still get paid by the govt for *not growing* other crops.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (ICEh3)

353
I want a waiver for everything based upon my conscientious objection of all things SCOAMTT.
I think I should have it, too.

Posted by: Justamom at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (Sptt8)

354 Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 01:25 PM (wwsoB)

There will BE NO Defaults!

So says International Swaps and Derivatives Association. (a wholly owned subsidiary of the G10)

Never. Ever. No matter what.

Otherwise the whole thing tumbles to the ground.

Posted by: AshKente at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (SP4jC)

355 I tried it once. Once.


Posted by: eleven at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (KXm42)

----
Yup....that little hot pepper on the side is the best thing in the box.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2012 02:23 PM (nELVU)

356 @333:"I think whats killing a lot of these restaurants are food prices. Portions are getting smaller, steak is getting tougher, veggies are more frozen and less fresh. More pocessed meats in sandwiches. They are all struggling."
---

This is in line with my grandparents' experience of the great depression. Forget eating out anymore. You're better off buying a big, tough cut of meat and making stew for the week.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 02:23 PM (Y5I9o)

357 >If you aren't working for the co. then you would be able to choose the investment portfolio if you rolled it into an IRA.

If we're talking serious money here, I'd talk to a FOR FEE ONLY investment advisor before you do anything.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 02:17 PM (SX6wc)

getting laid off 12/31 so the employer matching contribution is going away

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 02:23 PM (8sCoq)

358 257, you are correct. I worked in precious metals during that last Dem stagflation, and the company eventually crashed because clients demanded to see their gold as the market leveled off. Alas, it did not exist. The company was using client money to buy futures themselves. It all worked until it didn't.

Posted by: PJ at November 13, 2012 02:24 PM (ZWaLo)

359 Seriously?

No one sees the problem with this?



Not since last Tuesday I don't.


You want to know one of the key reasons why I'm a conservative? I grew up in a farming area of southwest Michigan in the 70's and through the mid 80's. I watched as farmers sold off their dairy stock for slaughter since it was better economically to do that and get the farm subsidy money to convert their grazing pastures into farmland or to get the subsidies to buy an entirely new herd of cows. It was so insanely wasteful that I developed an intense and long-lasting hatred of the Department of Agriculture and all farm subsidies. It was a small step there to becoming a proponent of limited government in all aspects of life.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 13, 2012 02:24 PM (VtjlW)

360 Michael Jackson ---> Really, really White ----> already in Hell.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 13, 2012 02:25 PM (71LDo)

361 "Ask engineering if 105% is possible.""Engineering
says 105% possible, but not recommended."*drags on cigarette*"Tell
engineering to go to 105% on the engines.""What is it, Captain? What are
we doing?""We're going to kill an old friend."


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (GQ8sn)

Excellent analogy. I hope it ends the same way the movie did.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 02:25 PM (zpqa2)

362
Been to Olive Garden twice.
Shitty twice.
My breadstick held together after I bit into it by a baked in hair.
Much, much prefer local.

Posted by: Justamom at November 13, 2012 02:25 PM (Sptt8)

363 Profile of a Moocher: The True Story of Wardell and Torrey Part I
(I'm not racially stereotyping in this story. All of it is true.)

We lived in Houston, Texas when Hurricane Katrina hit (I think I am the only person alive that left Texas to move to a blue state. The people suck here.). My husband is an incredibly generous man. He would give the shirt off his back to anyone. Unlike me (Imabitch), he is moved by the suffering of others. The following story will explain too you why I've embraced my inner bitch.

So, we are watching all this tragedy unfold on tv and the phone rings. It's my husbands old college roommate, one of his groomsmen at our wedding. He works for Child Protective Services in Corpus Christi. He needs a favor. He tells us that he has 6 kids who were separated from their mother during the storm. They were put on 2 different nonRayNagin buses. They think the mom was taken to the Astrodome. Can we help locate her. That's the request.

I need to break this story up for those of you like me that can't read posts of great length.
Part II in a minute.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 02:26 PM (0PiQ4)

364 It gets better, you can designate parts of your farm as Walk-in hunting in this state and get paid by the state to do it. How much depends on how good the ground is for hunting.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 13, 2012 02:26 PM (ma+gB)

365 While I don't believe what Mr. Faber says, I think it's important to understand that we'll never again see growth in our GDP of over 1 or 2 % as we've had in the past. You simply cannot borrow from your future to pay for the past and present and expect a healthy and growing economy.

My great fear is a coming economic collapse. While I don't believe that can happen due to any recession or depression domestically, I do think a collapse could and probably will occur as a result of an event outside of the country. Italy or Spain or Greece could finally go belly up. In our weak economic state, we would be especially vulnerable to a complete collapse if that were to occur.

Posted by: Not and Artist at November 13, 2012 02:27 PM (uRumV)

366 this will hit the vagina voters:

Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin

Breast imaging device maker Hologic braces for $25 million hit due to Obamacare medical device tax==> http://is.gd/OCVIxs

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 02:28 PM (8sCoq)

367 351 GEH,

Dividends used to be something worth actually going long on a stock over rather than "I shall flip it like a quick buck artist"

Long versus short term capital gains all that???

Again really mock me, I don't give a fuck that post while not elegantly syntaxed in all likelihood was not in engrish and I could give 3 shits.

You think the market is peachy drive her higher baby.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:28 PM (LRFds)

368 I poured all I could into this election. I had faith that my fellow conservatives would to. I was wrong. They stayed home with the PaulBots. We cannot wait for July or August 2016 to start figuring the next one out. More importantly, we cannot wait until then to try to get groups who should WANT to vote conservative to learn about it. That is much too late. Hispanics are traditional family values. GET EM! Women who truly want to be independant and successful should WANT to be conservative. GET EM. But as I said above, I am out, I haven't got the energy to beat this dead horse again.

Posted by: Stretched out snatch at November 13, 2012 02:28 PM (QW2hm)

369 Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 02:09 PM (da5Wo)



Sacred honor compels a phone call to the Principal telling him you really don't appreciate it and...oh...by the way, would you like to be the lead story in Section A of the Washington Post tomorrow?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 13, 2012 02:28 PM (sbV1u)

370 Dang sock.

Posted by: giftogab at November 13, 2012 02:29 PM (QW2hm)

371
All the professional people who voted for socialism should offer their services for free as their contribution to our new communal society.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:29 PM (DoZD+)

372 How can anything with 'breast imaging' involved possibly fail?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 02:29 PM (zpqa2)

373 And the answer is North Korea


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 01:32 PM (1Jaio)

Nope! The answer is 42.

Posted by: AshKente at November 13, 2012 02:29 PM (SP4jC)

374 Posted by: Obama 2013 at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (e8kgV)

Denver's ABC is the most conservative-leaning (as such things go) of the local affiliates. It's also the one with the reporter who actually asked SCoaMF questions right before the election.

Posted by: Polliwogette, teahada hobbbit who wants some R & R at November 13, 2012 02:30 PM (NYki8)

375 366
this will hit the vagina voters:

Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin

Breast imaging device maker Hologic braces for $25 million hit due to Obamacare medical device tax==> http://is.gd/OCVIxs


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 02:28 PM (8sCoq)


Not just them, but EVERY medical device manufacturer like those that make pacemakers, MRI's, hip and knee replacement joints, catheters and syringes, etc. EVERYTHING!!! Even breast implants.I don't want to live in an America that taxes bigger boobs!

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 02:30 PM (GQ8sn)

376 BTW. People who believe like you are the ones that usually end up putting a shotgun in their mouth.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (n6eVv)


I was going to argue about the "You're part of the problem" bit...but..meh. Maybe I am. Who knows?

Then I thought the part about eating a 12 gauge shell was darkly comic.
I have been pretty depressed since the election. Just morbidly down on nearly everything.

Then I though "What if he is right? What if i have let politics replace religion. Fuck, am I ever messed up if that is the case?"

But none of that changes the facts. The left has bought %51 of the vote.
And that which can not continue, won't.

Posted by: MrShad at November 13, 2012 02:30 PM (Xqfwb)

377 You want to know one of the key reasons why I'm a conservative? I grew up in a farming area of southwest Michigan in the 70's and through the mid 80's. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 13, 2012 02:24 PM (VtjlW)

When you and your friend stole that cow....and your friend tried to make it with the cow?

I wanna party with you, cowboy.

Posted by: John Winger at November 13, 2012 02:30 PM (sbV1u)

378 I was at an Olive Garden the past weekend on a date, I hadn't been at Olive Garden in over a year I was shocked how expensive the food had gotten, a bowl of chicken alfredo was $14. No wonder the place was practically empty on a friday night.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 13, 2012 02:30 PM (NzBQO)

379 I don't care what you say. The breadsticks are awesome. Its probably the best chain pizza, which isn't saying much, but whatever.
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 13, 2012 02:22 PM (t06LC)


I will admit I never tasted the breadsticks or anything else there except the pizza, since it is a pizzaria? But if you think that their pizza is good i have to question your sanity or assume you NEVER set foot in NY/NJ?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 02:31 PM (79ueO)

380
I poured all I could into this election. I had faith that my fellow
conservatives would to. I was wrong. They stayed home with the PaulBots.
We cannot wait for July or August 2016 to start figuring the next one
out. More importantly, we cannot wait until then to try to get groups
who should WANT to vote conservative to learn about it. That is much too
late. Hispanics are traditional family values. GET EM! Women who truly
want to be independant and successful should WANT to be conservative.
GET EM. But as I said above, I am out, I haven't got the energy to beat
this dead horse again.

Posted by: Stretched out snatch at November 13, 2012 02:28 PM (QW2hm)

Correct. Right or wrong, after McCain and now Romney - if the GOP wants to see how low turnout can go, just keep doing what you're doing.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 02:32 PM (zpqa2)

381 Whoops! It's NBC that's surprisingly less unbalanced locally. I think it is ABC where the reporter works though.

Posted by: Polliwogette, teahada hobbbit who wants some R & R at November 13, 2012 02:32 PM (NYki8)

382 Does Olive Garden still have the unlimited salad and breadsticks for $5?

Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2012 02:32 PM (w4fEE)

383 126 Why wouldn't the stock market ride steady alongside hyperinflation?
Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 01:42 PM (2t6Gz)

How about high inflation? i.e. > 10%

1970s-1983 Flat stock market (secular bear)

Hard assets rise Gold, Oil, etc.

Posted by: Ed Gibbon at November 13, 2012 02:32 PM (4eNxd)

384 Also oops, changed my nic on the Kindle but forgot here.

Posted by: Polliwogette, disappointed hobbit at November 13, 2012 02:34 PM (NYki8)

385 But if you think that their pizza is good i have to question your sanity or assume you NEVER set foot in NY/NJ?

Why would any right-thinking Texan ever set foot in NY or NJ?

Does Olive Garden still have the unlimited salad and breadsticks for $5?

I think it's $6 or $7, now, but otherwise: yes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 02:34 PM (8y9MW)

386 #378 Adam Smith's...Hand - It's also empty because the food's not very good. When it started, it wasn't half bad, but now they overcook everything to avoid getting sued for food poisoning. They're particularly vile on the chicken front - it's like leather, without the taste.

It's depressing.

Posted by: Dianna at November 13, 2012 02:35 PM (mKMj1)

387 If you want a bug out ,multi purpose rifle rather than a carbine, the best choice for an expensive , high quality rifle is the Remington 7600 pump action rifle. It comes in a number of calibers but I would choose .308 since it is the caliber of a number of assault rifles also.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 13, 2012 02:35 PM (m2CN7)

388 385 Allen G,

especially when you can get Chicago style in Chicago...

if you're gonna need to delouse after going and grabbing a pie at least enjoy the Bears.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:35 PM (LRFds)

389 I'm going on a diet. I'm going to start counting calories in a hundred years. Problem solved.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2012 02:35 PM (EfgMw)

390
Does Olive Garden still have the unlimited salad and breadsticks for $5?


Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2012 02:32 PM (w4fEE)

I'm guessing that's worked into the meal cost. Their breadsticks, dear god, their like crack.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 13, 2012 02:35 PM (NzBQO)

391 The True Story of Wardell and Torrey Part II

So, my husband hangs up. Tells me what's going on. I instantly have misgivings. He doesn't. I say. That place is going to be a mess. Do you really want to walk into that? He thinks he should at least try. So I reluctantly agree and tell him I won't let him go alone. So we head over there. Get there. I am actually surprised by what I see. The floor of the Astrodome is neatly organized into different sections. There are living quarters which are basically lines and lines of cots. Food distribution tables, clothing distribution tables, social workers with piles of paperwork to give out free money, first aid station, etc. Most of the Katrina folks are black. Nearly every volunteer manning tables are white except for the welfare tables. That one has Wise Latinas for the handful of Katrina Latinas and other black women. Katrina evacuees are wandering around chatting. Most have cell phones calling family. Another surprise, most of these folks seem quite happy.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 02:35 PM (0PiQ4)

392 You want to know one of the key reasons why I'm a conservative? I grew up in a farming area of southwest Michigan in the 70's and through the mid 80's. I watched as farmers sold off their dairy stock for slaughter since it was better economically to do that and get the farm subsidy money to convert their grazing pastures into farmland or to get the subsidies to buy an entirely new herd of cows. It was so insanely wasteful that I developed an intense and long-lasting hatred of the Department of Agriculture and all farm subsidies. It was a small step there to becoming a proponent of limited government in all aspects of life.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 13, 2012 02:24 PM (VtjlW)


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You're right. What the gov. has done to agriculture in this country is biggest but most hidden crime. The government owns our agriculture. And what the government owns it can manipulate.

CA is the best contemporary example. The Ukraine is the gold standard.



Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2012 02:36 PM (n6eVv)

393 In Obama's America, market plays you!

Posted by: Yakov Smirnoff at November 13, 2012 02:37 PM (zF6Iw)

394 I love Olive Garden breadsticks. Still too expensive, though. And I think the $5 unlimited salad and breadsticks has been mostly metaphorical for awhile.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:37 PM (DoZD+)

395 Time for an old fashioned Jubilee!!

Posted by: AshKente at November 13, 2012 02:38 PM (SP4jC)

396 Bunch of kids that go to our church's wednight youth group cheered Obama's win. They are from a nearby welfare community. Most of our church people who are the workers and teachers voted Romney. We are the givers. They are the givees.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:41 PM (DoZD+)

397 You're right. What the gov. has done to agriculture in this country is biggest but most hidden crime.


A dear friend of mine is a naturalist. She is very very keen to point out that she is a naturalist and not an environmentalist. Ask her about the regulations against controlled forest burns. Let's just say it makes my Whedon rants look shy and retiring.


You know what's destroying agriculture and the environment in the US? The agencies supposedly created to save them.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 13, 2012 02:42 PM (VtjlW)

398 Wardell and Torrey Part III

We set about trying to find a loud speaker. We find it. Someone makes an announcement telling Torrey is needed and directs to where. We kind of mull around talking to volunteers. Their all choking on feel good. Im starting to get anxious. I whisper to my husband "I'm worried we're going to catch something. There are too many people in here. We give this 10 minutes. Leave contact info. Then we get the hell out." He nods. Another surprise. Torrey shows up. I breathe a sigh of relief. We tell her where her kids are and she is kind of confused. My husband repeats himself and tells her that her kids are in Corpus Christi. It sinks in. She is relieved and thanks us very kindly. We don't really know what to do at this point. It's a little awkward because she tells us she has no way to get to Corpus Christi and no family in Houston. Sigh.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 02:43 PM (0PiQ4)

399 396 Katya,

Harden your heart and be more choosy.

I am.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:44 PM (LRFds)

400 344 Ben will keep propping up the market. It will hold more air.

Crank up the QE presses...
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 02:20 PM (zpqa2)


The law of diminishing returns says NO & it's already happening, every action taken has less of an impact.

You can't blame the free market for what's happening now. The fucking fed - while well-intentioned - is making a bloody mess out of the bloody mess they were intent on cleaning up

Posted by: Ed Gibbon at November 13, 2012 02:44 PM (4eNxd)

401 Sven, I'm feeling pretty hard these days.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:45 PM (DoZD+)

402 Now I gotta go to work so some lazy broad can buy her kid 200 dollar shoes for Christmas.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:46 PM (DoZD+)

403 Then I though "What if he is right? What if i have let politics replace religion. Fuck, am I ever messed up if that is the case?"But none of that changes the facts. The left has bought %51 of the vote.And that which can not continue, won't.
Posted by: MrShad at November 13, 2012 02:30 PM (Xqfwb)


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Whether you like or listen to Beck or not, he's really got the right idea about the coming hard times (and, yes, they are coming) and that is setting yourself up not only to fend for yourself and your family (if you have one) but also stockpile or aquire a skill in which you'll be able to help others.

It's a Godly principle and you don't need to believe in any religious dogma to do it. The effect on your life will be measurable.


Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2012 02:46 PM (n6eVv)

404 remember that joke we made about Ogabe when he was attacking Romney for Seamus?

Yeah google St. petersburgh russia 1917 and tell me what was on the menu at 5 star eating joints.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:19 PM (LRFds)

Thankfully horse meat is now available for human consumption. Thanks Barry!

Posted by: RWC at November 13, 2012 02:46 PM (fWAjv)

405 We are the givers. They are the givees.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 13, 2012 02:41 PM (DoZD+)



Givee sounds too passive. They are takers

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 02:47 PM (1Jaio)

406 Measuable = immeasurable

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2012 02:48 PM (n6eVv)

407 Givee sounds too passive. They are takers
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 02:47 PM (1Jaio)


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Takers is too passive. They're fucking thieves.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2012 02:50 PM (n6eVv)

408 Torrey shows up. I breathe a sigh of relief. We tell her where her kids are and she is kind of confused.

So Torrey is the mother of the 6 kids? Wardell is the father I presume?

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 02:51 PM (GQ8sn)

409 Wardell and Torrey Part Whatever
I need to hurry this up. I have stuff to do.

So my husband looks at me with that look. I look down. I know what's going to happen next. I look away. He says "We can take you." I feel guilty about how I feel. So I go along. I ask her about her kids. She has six of them. Names are Berneesha, Berleesha (these two are twins), LaRhonda, Lavonda, one more L name (we'll call her LaToya) and Micheal (yeah, I know wtf? what kind of weird name is that?) I ask about their father? Husband? She looks uncomfortable. Dad is in Angola prison for life. She tells us what happened in New Orleans. The streets were flooding. Her boyfriend Wardell finds a rescue boat. So Wardell takes the kids and a neighbor and bring them to a bridge that is supposed to shuttle people to the football stadium. Wardell stays with the kids. Sends the neighbor back for Torrey and the other neighbors. When the neighbors and Torrey come back to the bridge Wardell and the kids are gone. They were put on bus and sent to Corpus. She was put on a bus and sent to Houston.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 02:51 PM (0PiQ4)

410 Moar Jindal up

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 02:53 PM (YdQQY)

411 You think the market is peachy drive her higher baby.

I never said what I thought of the market dumbass. Simply pointed out that your opinion of what the market should be is irrelevant. That your grandaddy was able to steadily collect dividends during an abnormal 20 year bull market during a high interest rate environment is a super neat story, but has absolutely no bearing on today. Thanks for sharing though.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 13, 2012 03:03 PM (+lsX1)

412 @7......Oh, don't worry San Francisco is already on that

Posted by: Christmasghost at November 13, 2012 03:10 PM (CkK+I)

413
Katya @ 394:

And I
think the $5 unlimited salad and breadsticks has been mostly
metaphorical for awhile.


Kind of like the McDonalds dollar menu. Sure, they advertise it...but good luck finding a franchise that will actually sell you a double for one dollar. I'm sure there's a McD's somewhere in the country that will....and that is what they base the advertised costs of their value menu items on. If you don't live right next to it, good luck finding the same price elsewhere....or anything even close.

My local McD's sells a double for 1.59. The New York Tpk near White Plains....2.49.

Other restaurants, like Red Lobster used to advertise lunch/dinner specials which included unlimited cheddar biscuits, and salad for under fifteen bucks.

Thank god inflation is being held at an effective rate of zero point zero percent by our glorious leader, Barky the Oneth. Otherwise, shit would be really expensive right now.


Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 13, 2012 03:11 PM (L7hol)

414 Cut to the chase. I don't know how. Shoot. I shouldn't have started this. Bad idea. Quick summary. Tearful reunion in front of reporters writing it all down to write up feelgood stories. Everyones drowning in feelgood now. Time to go. Torrey looks confused again. She and Wardell step aside. My husband overhears her telling Wardell how nice the Astrodome is. He tells her the shelter in Corpus stinks. They tell my husband that they want to go back to Houston. So they drive back jammed in our car. Get treated to Jack in the Box on the drive back. Order most of the menu. He brings them back to the Astrodome. Comes home. Cars a mess. Smells like old food. It's all over at least. But it's not.

Some rich guy in Cali reads about the story of their reunion. Contacts our friend in Corpus offering to donate his 2 yr old Cadillac to Wardell and Torrey. Will pay to have it delivered. So we call Torrey. The feelgood never stops. My husband starts to make a few calls to see if he can find a home for the family to stay at. He has a friend that invests in rental properities and is a philanthropist. We find a house. We tell Torrey. She says: NO THANKS. The Astrodome is so nice. I tell my husband. No more. She's too stupid to no what's good for her. We're done. She calls back in 2 days. Kids are all sick. What about that house. How doe they get the Caddy? We work it all out for them. Our church throws the twins a birthday party at a go cart place. We arrange transport back to Corpus for them to get the car. The car is being held at a black church. The pastor is unimpressed with Wardell. He insists the two start going to church. Makes demands of both them. They say no to the car and walk away. In a twist, the pastor is having bad money problems, he sells the car and pockets the cash. Torrey spends the next 6 months calling us off and on again begging for help to get the car which she is unaware no longer exists. I finally have to threaten my husband that if he takes another call from these people, I'm withholding sex. He makes the right decision.

Moral of the story: We can't help people who refuse to help themselves. Don't do it. Take care of the people of you love and that's all. Be generous if you can in limited and productive ways. We need to starve this beast.

That's all there is.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 03:14 PM (0PiQ4)

415 Moral of the story: We can't help people who refuse to help themselves.
Don't do it. Take care of the people of you love and that's all. Be
generous if you can in limited and productive ways. We need to starve
this beast.


I would have walked away in Corpus.

"Well.......good luck."

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 03:19 PM (GQ8sn)

416 QE is bad business, and bad economics. Especially, since this is not the type of situation where QE would help in anything but in the very short term - but that leads to an ever greater need for QE, and force the dollar to collapse and massive inflation.

(yes, their are certain limited situations QE is good)

The truth is, this is a long term structural problem created by the banks themselves, having leveraged themselves exponentially from reasonable levels - all the time banking on government assistance to help them out. Which Bush and Obama have done.

Sorry to be rude to some people, but the biggest takers in the world economy are the banks. They are the true plutocrats. And they did this, citing Milton Friedman as their prophet. The flaw in this was, monetarism depends on banks behaving ethically. BIG FUGGING MISTAKE.

Those big money donors of the republican party, brought your soul, and you do not even realize it. And more to the point, they used religiosity to build the consensus. And when they saw the game was up, they co-opted the movement, and made it religious, rather than a fiscally conservative movement to protect themselves.

And they will continue to lie to you, by dangling false stories to rile you up against anyone but them. Like climate change is not real, evolution is not real, think of the poor fetuses, anything than what is going on.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 03:25 PM (8I6vf)

417 oops, 416 is reply to 400.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 03:30 PM (8I6vf)

418 411 GEH,

Nice try he died in '84 fuckhead hence "the dividentiture long haul"

Thanks for playing,

Wall St as currently played is a Vegas game w/out the big titted blondes.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 03:33 PM (LRFds)

419 well I'm a happy cowboy I can read Every Which Way but Loose and Any Which Way You can....

if you're gonna relive the '70s doldrums may as well be about a guy and an ape.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 03:36 PM (LRFds)

420 Look whichever GEH I am not gonna flame throw you I apologize for the fuckhead comment he was my hero his pasing hurt you couldn't have known.

Whatever have fun with the genius engine and the magic money cannon I'm gonna grow corn and raise chickens we'll see who wins.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 03:40 PM (LRFds)

421 Oops, wish their was an edit function - in 416 I missed two crucial words...

And when they saw the game was up, they co-opted the TEA PARTY movement, and made it religious, rather than a fiscally conservative movement to protect themselves.

A hypothetical point to add, if I was a US citizen, I could not have voted Republican. Or for the vast majority of the Tea Party candidates. Because they offend my moral sensibilities for one (yep, part of the fastest growing group in America, the non religious), and second, they would have been distracted in power with DOMA, Abortion, et al. And you can see it on this very board.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 03:41 PM (8I6vf)

422 421 KM,

one day I'll have to ask you for some hard evidence of my inflicting my religious belief in an Old jew carpenter with the same aplomb the high church of Goreon inflicts their faith based initiatives on light bulbs.

See you on the other side.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 03:46 PM (LRFds)

423 At 422.

Mentioned them already, DOMA, Abortion, et al.

Put in perspective.

I am not gay, but I support the right of anyone to marry anyone else as long as it is consensual, and they have the moral capacity to understand the idea of marriage. This is to assure they have the same rights as heterosexual couples.

And as horrific as abortion is, I do not have the right to control some one elses body. THAT IS SLAVERY.

And one more point, re-read my very last sentence in 421. Way to prove my point.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 04:04 PM (8I6vf)

424
390
Does Olive Garden still have the unlimited salad and breadsticks for $5?


Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2012 02:32 PM (w4fEE)

I'm guessing that's worked into the meal cost. Their breadsticks, dear god, their like crack.
It's 7.95 now bu the MSM doesn't want you to know about the rise in food costs so SHHH!

Posted by: giftogab at November 13, 2012 04:05 PM (QW2hm)

425 423 KM,

sigh DOMA is to protect the Church I was active pushing for civil unions and "abortion" tell me does repealing Roe v Wade end any abortions by itself?

I am curious please let me know?

You never got around to the evangelical moonbattery I pointed out BTW...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 04:39 PM (LRFds)

426 The voters have spoken,...and they must be punished.

Posted by: Ed Koch, Prophet of Wall St. at November 13, 2012 05:08 PM (7zBFV)

427 Ok, now I understand. You are a liberal christian. I am not offended by you, except....

DO you believe in hell?
Do you believe in god?

Either of those is enough to offend me. Of course, offending me is not a crime, and never should be. AS long as you are content to let me live the life I desire, I will afford you the same respect.

As to evangelicals...Any one who claims the world is 6000 years, and denies the right of children to learn evolution is school. That to me, is SLAVERY.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 05:46 PM (8I6vf)






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