Bobby Jindal: The GOP Can't Stay Stuck On Stupid

The latest entry in "Here's what the GOP should do".

“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”

He was just as blunt on how the GOP should speak to voters, criticizing his party for offending and speaking down to much of the electorate.

“It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments — enough of that,” Jindal said. “It’s not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can’t be tolerated within our party. We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”

You mean the voters that thought Mitt Romney was going to outlaw women or something? The "intelligence" of those voters?

“We’re a populist party and we’ve got to make that clear going forward,” he said.

To Jindal, that means improving the quality of education for kids across class and racial lines. The author of a major school reform bill this year, he said education is one example of how government needs to be changed to adapt to the times.

“Let the dollar follow the child instead of making the child follow the dollar,” he said of his policies to support charter, private and home schooling.

...

“You’ve got to give the president’s team credit: They did a very good job portraying the Republican Party as wanting to just preserve the status quo for those who’ve already been successful and burn the bridge behind them,” he acknowledged. “That’s not what we as a party stand for and what we as a party can stand for.”

Jindal also talks about the importance of energy policy and financial regulation going forward. In the broad strokes, he makes sense. Alas, the problems tend to be in the details.

I think Jindal is on the right track and not just because I wrote something similar yesterday, though it helps. The GOP and conservatives use to be the party of ideas and innovation. We lost a lot of that after 8 years of Bush where we went along with a lot of things the conservative movement wasn't very fond of (No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D and a big government approach to domestic security to name a few).

I'm sure we'll get plenty of ideas about getting back to our roots and come up with innovative ideas for the challenges facing the country. What I'm less sure of is whether we'll find someone who can carry the message to the GOP and the wider electorate and even if we can do people want those kinds of solutions or is it too late?

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:03 AM



Comments

1 Jindal is as confused as you are, Drew

Posted by: under the desk w/ Paula & Dave at November 13, 2012 11:05 AM (Dll6b)

2 Too late. Clueless to boot.

Posted by: nip at November 13, 2012 11:05 AM (11Tdq)

3 Citizen Jindal is a Counter-Revolutionary, Comrade.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Comrade Trainer at November 13, 2012 11:06 AM (QbdUW)

4 We need MOAR slogans!!!


Let the child and dollar follow each other!

Posted by: under the desk w/ Paula & Dave at November 13, 2012 11:06 AM (Dll6b)

5 Jindal/Martinez 2016

Posted by: Elizabethe at November 13, 2012 11:06 AM (ou/rY)

6 I agree with Jindal. A crime is a crime, whether it's a guy selling crack in an alley or a banker conspiring to rig LIBOR. Covering up for crooked shits due to campaign contributions is something Dems do.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen at November 13, 2012 11:07 AM (ZWvOb)

7 Nothing new here, but no Republican says he is for the rich, the media portrays them that way and the public believes it. Now we are supposed to go around using poll tested language so we don't turn off people we need? Fuck it, I would rather not be involved.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 13, 2012 11:07 AM (x0g8a)

8 “We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big
banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,”
Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview.



I don't like the fact that he starts out agreeing with the damn Democrat propaganda.


Piss on him.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:08 AM (YdQQY)

9 'The problems tend to be in the details"


Ross Perot, two decades ago: The Devil is in the details


Irish folk wisdom, through the ages: The Devil is in the details


yeah, this is groundbreaking, innovative stuff................

Posted by: under the desk w/ Paula & Dave at November 13, 2012 11:08 AM (Dll6b)

10 Hey Bobby I'd start preparing for Anglic refugees buddy.

You have an oil boom to manage if you got the balls.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:08 AM (LRFds)

11 How about this: "You idiots know we're going to run out of borrowed money at some point, right? You can either take your medicine now, or let the Dems lie to you and tell you it's going to be okay forever. But this is your warning: if you do it that way, it's eventually going to feel like someone has shoved an umbrella up your ass and then opened it."

Of course, this would involve the GOP *ACTUALLY* being fiscally conservative. Which may be a bridge too far.

Posted by: Hedley Lamar at November 13, 2012 11:08 AM (RdCfV)

12 So Jindal is the latest of the Boner/Hannity sellouts? Ooooh, that's comforting!

There's no better way to judge someone's character than to see them when faced with adversity. Some fight, some cave.

So far, it looks as if the Republican Elites are taking the French route to victory.

Fuck 'em.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 11:08 AM (yKUrR)

13 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 11:08 AM (8y9MW)

14

We need MOAR slogans!!!

Let the child and the dollar walk hand in hand toward the sunrise.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 13, 2012 11:09 AM (s4gM8)

15 We can do campaign slogans in Espanol !!!!! Arriva !!! Donde vas!!!

Posted by: under the desk w/ Paula & Dave at November 13, 2012 11:09 AM (Dll6b)

16 Drew I'm pretty sure the conservative base is making a decision that makes marketing it to the blue superfluous if followed.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:09 AM (LRFds)

17 Jindal needs to talk with Nikki Haley. She can coach him on how to talk to hostile media. She has to do that a lot with The State newspaper which is a wholly Democrat owned PR rag.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:10 AM (YdQQY)

18 Education is the wholly owned subsidiary of the American left, and Jindal thinks he's going to muscle in on that scam? Best think again.

Posted by: badanov at November 13, 2012 11:10 AM (76Klc)

19 Doom Chronicles, Volume Eleventy Billion

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 13, 2012 11:10 AM (pLTLS)

20 Let it burn.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 13, 2012 11:10 AM (J4gw3)

21 Jindal is weak. One of his female staffers had her leg broken in four places by anarchists outside an event he was hosting a few years ago.

Not only was the governor ineffective in calling for more police protection as the angry crowd massed outside the restaurant, but AFAIK the perpetrator of the crime was never apprehended.
we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”
__
Because the American people are so intelligent they believed that Mitt Romney was going to outlaw tampons?

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2012 11:10 AM (jm/9g)

22 Sarah Palin was right.

Posted by: mrp at November 13, 2012 11:10 AM (HjPtV)

23 Who gives a shit what they say publicly? It's what they vote on that I care about. Tell the little fuckers what they want to hear.

Posted by: ryukyu at November 13, 2012 11:11 AM (Cvyuv)

24 The GOP should do this or that....it's all shit....I am looking for a new party....one that values our country and wants it to succeed. One that doesn't give a rats ass what color or ethnic sub-group you belong to and therefor pander to by downplaying what they REALLY believe in.

I want honest to goodness patriotism, honesty and integrity....is that too much to ask for?

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 13, 2012 11:11 AM (JWLqy)

25 All of our energy and will needs to be put towards fighting the propaganda machine.

We've got millions of women telling their friends we have VD, and we're sitting wondering how to comb our pubes.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:11 AM (1wlKa)

26 we need to trust the intelligence of the American people

---

Yeahhhhhhhhh. That'll work. And I'm going to start shitting rolled Krugerrands

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2012 11:11 AM (6twOq)

27 Is he implying the republican party needs some exorcism... cause I thought he had some experience in that area.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 13, 2012 11:11 AM (feFL6)

28 As an American, it is getting so you can't make fun of the rest of the world for their fucked up Gov. and populace.

Posted by: nip at November 13, 2012 11:12 AM (11Tdq)

29 As Jindal says, there WILL be more stupid things say by republicans. And democrats too, but those don't matter since the MSM won't fixate on them. That's why we need to step up efforts to infiltrate and take over major media. The best target - CBS Corp - could be taken by a hostile takeover.

Posted by: RickH at November 13, 2012 11:12 AM (KjmW5)

30 Jindal is way too smart to ever be nominated by the GOP to run for president. And most Republicans are likely stupid enough to be happy about that. If the stupidity wasn't a mile thick, it wouldn't be the GOP.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 13, 2012 11:12 AM (qEkGZ)

31 “You’ve got to give the president’s team credit: They did a very good
job portraying the Republican Party as wanting to just preserve the
status quo for those who’ve already been successful and burn the bridge
behind them,” he acknowledged. “That’s not what we as a party stand for
and what we as a party can stand for.”




And in the same breath he reenforces all of the stereotypes about Republicans.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 11:12 AM (1Jaio)

32 obviously, bobby doesn't know the gop

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 13, 2012 11:13 AM (Ho2rs)

33
Steps away from the ledge....
Seems to me Jindal is stuck on stupid, just a little.

Posted by: spypeach at November 13, 2012 11:13 AM (pwTow)

34 Jindal also talks about the importance of energy policy and financial regulation going forward.


GD "financial regulation" is what caused the shit we are in now. What we need is to get the damn government out of the banks and businesses.


But that will never happen because the Dems are communist and the Republicans are socialist pussies.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:13 AM (YdQQY)

35 Seriously, it's a fucking travesty that Corzine isn't in jail. The bankers that claimed all those shit mortgages they were bundling up into MBS's were triple A when they were dog shit in a box should be in jail. An actual line of attack during the campaign saying look, business is good for America, but there are crooked fuckers out there, examples here, and the President has spent the last 4 years running out the clock on the statute of limitations to prevent these clowns from prosecution, and hiring them into his Administration, would have helped.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen at November 13, 2012 11:13 AM (ZWvOb)

36 Let it burn.

The question for me is, with the schools, MFM, media and culture lined up against us, how do we get our message out loudly and clearly if the default mindset of too many people is that conservatism isn't just wrong or different but EVIL that must be destroyed?

Having a great messenger to preach the message is one thing, and I agree we need one desperately. But overcoming the culture and deprogramming millions of pod people is quite something else.

Ideas?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2012 11:13 AM (vCK/R)

37 I think the GOP is incapable of a meaningful address to the problems it faces. We are all being driven down the "liberalism is the only solution" path and the GOP is not doing anything to stop it. Hell, they seem to encourage it.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 13, 2012 11:15 AM (DuH+r)

38
School choice. Mitt mentioned it vaguely. Totally missed opportunity.

Posted by: joanne's down with operation LIB at November 13, 2012 11:15 AM (VNFBf)

39 Cleansing Fire.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 13, 2012 11:16 AM (BAS5M)

40
All the answers seem to be the same.

We must become Democrats.

No, thank you.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2012 11:16 AM (1Y+hH)

41 So the voters that believe shit like war on women, that the GOP wants to ban contraceptives, elected someone who lied about being a minority for years, and that funding Big Bird is a national priority....will all of a sudden buy high minds arguments about fucking regulation causing economic turmoil?

Jindal is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 13, 2012 11:16 AM (EoQ9s)

42 School choice. Mitt mentioned it vaguely. Totally missed opportunity.
Posted by: joanne's down with operation LIB at November 13, 2012 11:15 AM (VNFBf)

which is why homeschooling is growing by leaps and bounds

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 13, 2012 11:16 AM (JWLqy)

43 "Piss on him. "

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:08 AM (YdQQY)

That's fucking childish.

Jindal is talking about perception. And we just got bitten in the ass by the axiom that "Perception Is Reality."

Vic, tell me that you wouldn't be ecstatic over a Jindal presidency.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:17 AM (GsoHv)

44 >>>Ideas?

We have to lead by example. Support the alternative systems. Be successful. Show the people locked in the Statist systems that our systems have better service and lower costs.

Smash the Progressive State: the State is going to go broke. Help it.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 13, 2012 11:17 AM (J4gw3)

45
What I'm less sure of is whether we'll find someone who can carry the message to the GOP


I hear Big Bird is looking for a gig...

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 13, 2012 11:17 AM (dNmQK)

46 Having a great messenger to preach the message is one thing, and I agree
we need one desperately. But overcoming the culture and deprogramming
millions of pod people is quite something else.



Ideas?


Not sure that's possible. The libtard philosophy is already baked into the cake. Very hard, near impossible to swim against that current.

Let it burn. Start over, but with us in charge of the schools.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2012 11:17 AM (GQ8sn)

47 The lesson from the financial crisis is that we can't have Too Big To Fail banks that get bailouts from the government. I don't know how we get back to having banks that can fail and not take the whole economy down, but we need to get there. I agree with Bobby that we need to stop protecting/sucking up to those CEOs.

Posted by: zippy at November 13, 2012 11:18 AM (eytQe)

48 I'm thinking of hanging it up.

I'm tired of politics.
I'm tired of barely making ends meet.
I'm tired of having to choose between buying food or paying for my diabetes meds.
I'm just tired.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 13, 2012 11:18 AM (cVfX0)

49 WANTED
Midget Trans sexual Mexican drug lord for GOP Presidential race. Must have a minimum of 6 alphabet designer diseases and a minimum of 2 adopted Chinese babies.

Posted by: bill krystol at November 13, 2012 11:18 AM (dmEoV)

50 Vic, tell me that you wouldn't be ecstatic over a Jindal presidency.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:17 AM (GsoHv)

I would like him better than the choom, or even better than Romney. But his comments there were stupid. As I said, he needs to talk to Haley and learn how to interface.

And we don't need to be talking about more damn regulation. That is surrendering before the battle even starts.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:19 AM (YdQQY)

51 School choice is damn right. The Media would never demonize that issue.

The Country has spoken. It has chosen death. Sloth, Abortion, Death panels, Euthanasia next up.

I do not like it. But it is what it is.

Posted by: nip at November 13, 2012 11:20 AM (11Tdq)

52 If you want to fix the GOP, itmust be done at the State and local levels. People have to look at their Republican politicians and be able to sya, "Yes, I trust them to lead the country."

You'll notice that the states in which that is largely true, Mitt Romney won the State. In the states where that is less the case- for a variety of reasons- he lost the State.

That said, whether we like it or not, messaging is important. It doesn't matter that it's the medias fault that we're branded the party of Big Business and Big Banks when the Democrats really are- we've been branded that way and we have to set out to fix it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 11:20 AM (8y9MW)

53
The Bahamas is looking better all the time.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2012 11:20 AM (1Y+hH)

54 What do the Morons from LA think? You have been living with him for a while. Is he a real small gov conservative?

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:20 AM (YdQQY)

55 Jindal sat this one out. Where was he a year ago?

Now he gets on stage?

Now he speaks?

He may be right, but fuck him.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2012 11:21 AM (sRus3)

56 We can't juststay stuck on stupid, we've got to go full retard!

Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2012 11:21 AM (1Y+hH)

57 On the intelligence comment- Understand he is talking to Politico here, he is not going to say the voters were stupid in reelecting Obama.

On the business welfare comment- I think he's reacting to what a lot of you have been saying: We as a party spend an insane amount of time, rightfully, protecting wealthy people and big businesses. But in our current system, these people have become just as much of the takers as the people who voted for Obama for a government check.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:21 AM (i3OIF)

58 43 CBD,

we'll see I lived under Bobby have you?

I would have voted for him if I hadn't been kissing Ohio's corpse.

Show me Bobby and that ain;t the same venom I say show me barry.

Make your money nationally but be patriotic locally.

I'm done giving Obama and the donks the honor that is really the founders' due not theirs.

You guys won power by "wanting what comes next" Donks....?

I'll play I want a free nation.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:21 AM (LRFds)

59 the child and a dollar should walk around the block in eighty days

Posted by: helen keller at November 13, 2012 11:21 AM (RsVYV)

60 I miss Breitbart.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:21 AM (1wlKa)

61 two words :

Reaganesque. Black. Woman.

huh? did I tell you?



*sob*
please love us again.

Posted by: GOP - But this time it WILL work- We are REALLY SERIOUS! at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (EZl54)

62 We as a party spend an insane amount of time, rightfully, protecting wealthy people and big businesses.



That is fucking bull shit.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (YdQQY)

63 Jindal sat this one out. Where was he a year ago?

Now he gets on stage?

Now he speaks?

He may be right, but fuck him.
Posted by: eman at November 13, 2012 11:21 AM (sRus3)

He was campaigning for Perry a year ago.

How was he supposed to know the painkillers would end Perry's run?

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (i3OIF)

64 Seems to me Jindal is stuck on stupid, just a little.

Posted by: spypeach at November 13, 2012 11:13 AM


Just a little? You're more generous than I, that's for damn sure.

I'm sure his supporters, like the Palin, Rubio and Teh Noot backers, will be around with plenty o' excuses as to why their idol didn't say it/didn't mean it/is merely playing to the public but would govern much differently if elected.

Or they may swamp us with Squirrels and Shiny Stuff. "Look! Petraeus!!11!!"

The real Main Enemy is Choom Boy, and the only way to stop his treasonous plans is to work to get this country back on a law-abiding, Constitution-respecting basis. It won't be easy.

But worrying about the "brand" and the "message" is self-defeating. Suicidal, even. Leave that shit to Poppin' Fresh and the rest of the eunuchs.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (yKUrR)

65

The first thing Jindal did wrong:

he didnt tell Politico to piss off.


Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (yeA4E)

66 so in the previous thread I made inappropriate comments about Petraeus' wife.

The were regrettable and I retract them. mea culpa



I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (8sCoq)

67 I'm just tired.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 13, 2012 11:18 AM (cVfX0)


Who isn't?

Buck up.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2012 11:23 AM (sRus3)

68 The article says he repeatedly dodged questions about amnesty, and that the GOP should stop talking about how things were better in the past. It is always about race or ethnicity with some people, including Republicans Jindal.

Posted by: Baldy at November 13, 2012 11:23 AM (opS9C)

69 48 Caotain Whitebread,

Then rest up.

Work your ass off at your job husband your resources and if the split starts go where your heart is and start over. If you lose your way where you are and want to move move to texas or Louisiana and cast the Moron Signal to the sky.

Ace's Ewok can be our distress call.

I am about done with national politics and if the answer to saving America is Obama lite then I aim to build a new America.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:23 AM (LRFds)

70 e as a party spend an insane amount of time, rightfully, protecting wealthy people and big businesses.



That is fucking bull shit.
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (YdQQY)

Uh, we fight for reductions in taxes and offer tax credits to industry's like Hollywood and Tech companies that donate to the Dems and because of Corporate tax send their jobs overseas.

They we get blamed for it when they are merely reacting to the things we want to change.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:24 AM (i3OIF)

71 Argument that Romney is a vulture capitalist who will pursue policies that got us "into this mess" worked; the vagina argument and teh gay argument got barry just enough, but that is not where the bulk of votes came from; for instance 2/3 of population hates obamacare, so they know enough to hate economic fascism. Republicans this time did not look like a better alternative.

Posted by: runner at November 13, 2012 11:24 AM (WR5xI)

72 I see we've streamlined the selection process for the GOP this time. We're getting the self-immolation we did during the primaries for 2012 out of the way almost 4 years early this time around. Yeah, stuck on stupid, and that's not really being fair to just normally stupid people. I wonder if Jindal reads this blog? It might be where he got the idea if he does.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 13, 2012 11:24 AM (qEkGZ)

73 We don't offer tax credits. That is and always has been the Dems.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:24 AM (YdQQY)

74

First things first:

No More Media Interviews

You might as well be talking to the White House/DNC PR department.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 11:25 AM (yeA4E)

75 So its wrong to point out the Republicans are in the pocket of some big interests like banking and ag?

Boy are some delusional in here. If Bobby keeps this up I might have to support him in 2016. Of course the first one to talk about sending the drug war would give himself a good head start...

Posted by: Hobojerky at November 13, 2012 11:25 AM (OT7Dt)

76 66 Jones in CO,

none of us are angels bud....

it is a hot button with me I meant no offense in my answer.

We just need to focus and when a non moron asks "what about petraeus?' tell him "who he ain;t my problem and he ain't as important as president Vegas on benghazi"

Don't let the media pick our fights too.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:25 AM (LRFds)

77 He was campaigning for Perry a year ago.

How was he supposed to know the painkillers would end Perry's run?
Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (i3OIF)


So what?

That isn't enough. Perry drops out and Jindal goes home?

Why didn't Jindal get in the race himself?

Why should I listen to a guy who watched from the sidelines and now wants to be heard?

Fuck him.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2012 11:25 AM (sRus3)

78 @35 - absolutely.

I think part of the problem with this election was that while Romney ran against Obama, Obama painted a broader picture of Mitt as just one tool of the nasty bad tampon-grabbing GOP (and of course he had lots of help from Akin et al in this.)

The Republicans, on the other hand, could have painted a Democrat big-picture, tying corrupt Dems like Corzine and Dodd back to a whole lot of deep-pocketed Dem-donor banksters, and painting the Obama Administration as an out of touch and ideologically bankrupt collection of Ivy League academics.

A Rick Perry could have pulled this off, had he not launched his campaign with the most destructive bout of shoe-eating seen in American politics in decades.

I believe Mitt Romney is basically a good person, but as a Harvard-educated big-business money man these lines of attack were largely foreclosed to him.

Posted by: JEM at November 13, 2012 11:26 AM (o+SC1)

79 So its wrong to point out the Republicans are in the pocket of some big interests like banking and ag?



Yes because that kind of general statement is a GD lie.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:26 AM (YdQQY)

80 Another day, another round of "what is wrong with the GOP?" discussion.

This always happens after a party has a bad election.

And usually, the advice given right after the election sucks. First rule of any political campaign......do not run the last campaign. Yet, everyone giving advice wants to run the last campaign.

It is more likely than not that the driving forces behind campaign 2014 and 2016 will not resemble 2012.

Thus, I am loath to "surrender" on the big issues such as amnesty, taxes, spending, etc.

Ground game and GOTV....yea, those you can look at and say, that did not work.

Our treatment by the media....yea, that you can say did not work.

The first decision you have to make is this: are we in this to win it. If we are, then you have to change what you are doing -- and yes, however said start at the local and state level has an excellent point.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 11:26 AM (OWjjx)

81 "...or is it too late?"

In the words of Ronnie James Dio, "Welcome to forever/Welcome, it's too late."

We've hit Rand's inversion point.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 13, 2012 11:26 AM (9TK8E)

82
The big problem we face now is that it won't burn down quick enough. We have the power to debase the currency for decades to keep this idiocy going.

A long, slow decline. Damn I'm glad I'm old. I'm in the last generation ofAmericans(Boomers) to have it good. The young and middle-aged are screwed.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2012 11:26 AM (1Y+hH)

83 Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:19 AM (YdQQY)

He was critical of banks commingling deposits with investment funds. That makes sense. If the government is going to insure those deposits, I don't want them used in the private book of the banks.

You or I could have written a better 47% comment in about five minutes. Jindal is correct about the perception the the Republican party does not care about the little guy. It doesn't matter that conservative policies would make the little guy better off if he doesn't believe it and won't vote for them.

Let's not retreat to a solid 25% of the voting population. I would prefer a solid 55%.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:26 AM (GsoHv)

84 Maybe because he wanted to be guv a bit longer?

But yes lets keep chanting slogans that make us feel tough.

Posted by: Hobojerky at November 13, 2012 11:26 AM (OT7Dt)

85 54 Vic,

Jindal is whip smart and about as canny a cajun as there's been in a long while at playing the old game. he will not fix N'walins though because he lacks the numbers to do so. If moron nation started filling up the natural resources harvesting regions of the state and shifted power Louisiana could be far better off than it is.

My 2cents and I did donate to him.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:26 AM (LRFds)

86 Yeah, Bobby, this is really f*cking fascinating. When you're done, go make me a sandwich.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:27 AM (1wlKa)

87 Captain Whitebread

Don't talk like that. It hurts to hear. You need solitude. Silence can be quite healing. We're also wired into the internets all the time. Turn it off for a while and go someplace really quiet and pretty and soak in the natural beauty of landscape. That really does work.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 11:27 AM (0PiQ4)

88 ca here all my old life we are picking up and moving in june selling the house and moving to texas rather pay higher mortgage taxes than supporting this states populace its lost texans how is conroe texas

Posted by: bellaz at November 13, 2012 11:27 AM (4IKUP)

89 I like Jindal and he's a good governor, but it sounds like he's accepting all of these stereotypes of the GOP as gospel. It was Obama, not Romney who bailed out banks and auto companies. It was Obama who made sure Jon Corzine not only never served a day in prison, but was able to continue as a campaign bundler. It was Obama who gave billions in taxpayer money to other campaign bundlers posing as solar companies. It was Obama who had endless fundraisers out in Hollywood. Just because Mitt Romney is a self-made millionaire and doesn't hate business owners doesn't mean he's a pawn for fat cats and corporations. Jindal isn't helping matters by insinuating that what the left says about Republicans is true.

And on the subject of education, Romney DID say we should let the dollar follow the child. Did that do any good with the electorate who voted to reelect Obama? Jindal insists we should trust the intelligence of the American people, but my confidence in them is more than a little shaken after last week's outcome. And to be frank, my confidence in Jindal ain't exactly strong right now either.

Posted by: Adam_ME at November 13, 2012 11:28 AM (m0Jrn)

90
Jindal is an idiot who can't see beyond his own nose. When he wakes up and realizes Romney lost because Romneycare kept a huge chunk of the GOP electorate at home, when he realizes that you can't win a f'ing election by trying to be a carbon copy of your opponent, then maybe we can listen to him.
As it is, you GOP establishment folks and bloggers who are trying to grasp for a nominee straight from the suburbs who won't defend conservatism, you're all just barking up the wrong tree. I know your plans; nominate some squishy moderate Republican who we agree with 40% of the time and have hope that the moderates will turn out in force for him.
Doesn't work that way, time to get the Tea Party to leave the GOP.

Posted by: doug at November 13, 2012 11:28 AM (uJ8q7)

91 Jindal has a point. We're not the "party of the rich", we do make it far too easy for the Dems / MSM to portray us as such. Too much of it stems from a kneejerk contrarian impulse.

For instance, let's take Mitt Romney. When he was at Bain, it is true that he benefited from low tax rates- lower than paid by the middle class. It would be a fair point to counter that investment income should get a lower tax rate, because the capital had been taxed already.

It would be a legitimate point, except it wasn't Romney's money being invested. He was investing other people's money, yet his cut of the income was still taxed at the lower rate.

We shouldn't cave on the bullshit class warfare inspired liberal redistributionist policies, but that doesn't mean we should be defending any and every policy that benefits the wealthy because it's the opposite stance of the Dems.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 11:28 AM (SY2Kh)

92 1.Will the Democrat Machine attempt to strengthen their position?

2.Will the GOP resist, or fall just short?

Posted by: nip at November 13, 2012 11:28 AM (11Tdq)

93 Haha. So the Rs won't touch agriculture subsidies because....

And they signed for Tarp because....

Because they are hypocrites and need to go. Jindal is 100% right.

Posted by: Hobojerky at November 13, 2012 11:28 AM (OT7Dt)

94 You people should listen to Bobby Jindal. He's a smart Indian like Elizabeth Warren.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 13, 2012 11:29 AM (vYB+W)

95 So what?

That isn't enough. Perry drops out and Jindal goes home?

Why didn't Jindal get in the race himself?

Why should I listen to a guy who watched from the sidelines and now wants to be heard?

Fuck him.
Posted by: eman at November 13, 2012 11:25 AM (sRus3)

LOL.

Yeah, like he was supposed to get into a race with zero campaign structure or fundraising when Perry got out a whole 2 days before SC.

That's ridiculous.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:29 AM (i3OIF)

96 Why didn't Jindal get in the race himself?


Because, by then most of the filing deadlines had passed?

And, I might point out, you're a guy who just watched from teh sidelines, and now you want to be heard.

I'm with Vic that any talk of more regulation is surrendering before the first shot is fired. And I've never been convinced that Bobby Jindal is Our Conservative Savior. But complaining that he didn't do "enough" is just silly.

He backed Rick Perry. I'm glad he decided to back Perry instead of running himself, because they seem to have a fairly similar take on conservatism.

By the time it was clear that Perry was going to crash and burn, it was too late. Jindal hadn't done any of the work necessary to get a campaign off the ground.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 11:29 AM (8y9MW)

97
Posted by: bellaz at November 13, 2012 11:27 AM (4IKUP)

That's a very good intermediate move, and it will buy you sme time. Everyone who wants to work for a living should leave CA as soon as possible.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2012 11:29 AM (1Y+hH)

98 93 HJ,

You know...no never mind.

We'll either work together or I'll clap from afar I am not letting ANYONE take my bloodline down with them to prove a point.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:30 AM (LRFds)

99 If this is our best?
It isn't good enough.

Posted by: backhoe at November 13, 2012 11:30 AM (ULH4o)

100 I don't have time to argue all day but if you can't see the rank hypocrisy when it comes to corporate subsidies and the like, its impossible to argue.

Posted by: Hobojerky at November 13, 2012 11:30 AM (OT7Dt)

101 He was critical of banks commingling deposits with investment funds. That makes sense.



I have never seen that that was done. If you are talking about repealing the glass steagall act that had noting to do with the collapse. It may have made the impact a little worse but it wasn't the cause.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:30 AM (YdQQY)

102 that doesn't mean we should be defending any and every policy that
benefits the wealthy because it's the opposite stance of the Dems.


I've found that believing something because it's the opposite stance of the Dems is one of the best guiding lights available in this world.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:30 AM (1wlKa)

103 Yeah, like he was supposed to get into a race with zero campaign structure or fundraising when Perry got out a whole 2 days before SC.

That's ridiculous.


Some people are not happy unless you are on a suicide run.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 11:30 AM (OWjjx)

104 It's been over 2 weeks now since I got any real mail in my Office because of the storm and right now I can't make payroll. This sucks. If I don't get any money today ( and most of my money comes from Isurance companies) I will have to lend money to the practice and I do NOT like doing that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 11:30 AM (79ueO)

105

When will we ever learn?

okay, so you disagree with Jindal, but is it constructive or helpful to knock him?

focus your fury on the media

Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 11:31 AM (yeA4E)

106 Need some knowledge here....who picks/anoints the RNC chair?

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 13, 2012 11:31 AM (JWLqy)

107 Whenever people blame poor comments by candidates for losing the election, the 47% remark is curiously unmentioned.

Of course, the people harping on the idea have no agenda whatsoever.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 11:31 AM (uhAkr)

108 Oh yeah, the GOP now is a fricken POS party who nominates a ticket that wants to balance the budget in 30 f'ing years. Get that POS Ryan and Romney out of the GOP and give us some leaders with balls, please.

Posted by: doug at November 13, 2012 11:32 AM (uJ8q7)

109 As long as you are tied at the hip to the so-con reactionaries, you are doomed. It will take a while but as anyone with a pulse can now see, the flow of history is against you. Jindal is absolutely correct. There should be and there must be no room for the Akins and the Mourdocks in any Party that has any hope of being remotely significant.
And why exactly does the party defend the BIG interests by the way when most of its supporters are more salt of the earth types ? That's a mistake as well.

But don't believe anyone except the like-minded. After all there's still one strike left. Surely you have to hit the ball next time out.
Right ?

Posted by: Dougf at November 13, 2012 11:32 AM (uC4L3)

110 The children and a dollar should come see me and Elmo in the parking lot of the future

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 13, 2012 11:32 AM (RsVYV)

111 Yeah, Jindal has a point.

Let's beat up on successful people, take their money and give it to people who will vote for us.

Great plan.

Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2012 11:32 AM (ZDsRL)

112 Said it before, I'll say it again.

The GOP Presidential ticket in 2014 has to address this perceived race and gender gap. Both the Presidential and Vice Presidential slots need to be filled with either a nonwhite Republican or a female Republican or both.

I'm going for the quadruple win. Haley/Martinez 2016.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 11:32 AM (ymG7s)

113 People have short memories. These same memes have been placed on the Republican Party since Eisenhower. Its not the Party that has changed drastically but the electorate.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 13, 2012 11:32 AM (m2CN7)

114 Letos el childrenez geteros alle yourez Dollareros!!!!

Posted by: Miguel Bloombito, el nova Republicano at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (IMxlS)

115 Jindal has done a good job in Louisiana. The swamps of Louisiana politics were almost as bad as Washington is becoming. He may offend some sometimes, but generally he is on the right track. But from many of the comments I read above, these are the same people that gave the Republican Party Aiken, Moordock and the witch. At least Jindaldoesn't make stupid comments about rape and brooms.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (Eq2MX)

116 Continuously redefining the party platform / mission statement is all dandy and fine, but it still doesn't translate to real world action.

Populists! Talk is cheap.

Posted by: Fritz at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (/ZZCn)

117 okay, so you disagree with Jindal, but is it constructive or helpful to knock him?

Great point. And we should have left Michael Steele in place when he was going on TV and calling us all Nazis. Oh that's right, we did.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (1wlKa)

118 oh, and it gives me no pleasure to post this....




http://minx.cc/?post=316050

#214

you're all forgetting something

in 2008, the media's mission was to elect the first sort-of black president

in 2012, the narrative must be completed with Fuckstick's re-election



so it doesn't matter who gets the Rep nom. Obama will be re-elected

you can say you read it here first and that you knew me back when

Posted by: Jones at May 11, 2011 07:51 PM (cUNcx)

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (8sCoq)

119 The real Main Enemy is Choom Boy, and the only way to stop his
treasonous plans is to work to get this country back on a law-abiding,
Constitution-respecting basis. It won't be easy.


No, the real main enemy is the Media. They set the policy, they set the terms, they decide the experts and the leaders. Without the Media, Obama would be a community organizer starving somewhere in Illinois.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (DuH+r)

120 If I understand the New Rules of the smart set in the GOP, we should ignore Jindal because he's one of those crazy pro-lifers who is also a very devout Catholic who participated in an exorcism.

Just sayin'.


It's still too soon to decide what the future of the party is, imho.

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (5H6zj)

121 82 Meremortal

That is what my husband is saying. Economic collapse is unlikely and will only happen if no one wants to buy our money. Then interest rates go up and our national debt skyrockets. That's when we face default. That is where Greece and Spain are at right. The more likely scenario is Japan where they have been trying to spend their way out of recovery. They have had 0 growth and have been stuck in stagnation for a long time. We've only had 4 years of it. We can go down this road for a long long time. The middle class will suffer the most because many of us will be the ones losing jobs. The poor don't work. The rich don't need to.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (0PiQ4)

122 Jindal is 100% correct here. What was Romney's basic economic message? Cut taxes for the top 10% of earners, and somehow prosperity will trickle down. That's a pitch aimed more at the rich than at the middle class, because the middle class does not think prosperity will trickle down to them (and given the results of the last decade they have good reason). Reagan knew the pitch had to be aimed at working-class and middle-class families.

Posted by: Angusmc at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (I5ebA)

123 GD time to shut it down for today. We re going on the socon BS again.

For the last time, we lost because a bunch of people sat at home and we do not yet know who those people were and why they sat at home.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:34 AM (YdQQY)

124 Will the GOP resist, or fall just short?

The GOP can go take a running long jump into a woodchipper. It's dead to me already.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 13, 2012 11:34 AM (GBXon)

125 honestly

anyone with kids lower than adult age really needs to have a sit down explaining the facts of this situation....we are beyond winning the hearts and minds of the idiots...sorry...they are stuck on stupid....my kids are 18 down to 12, they grew up listening to rush and watching fox news and watching msnbc they know who gets the story straight most of the time....on 09-11-2001 I DIDN'T HIDE THE RERUNS OF THE PLANES GOING INTO THE BUILDINGS FROM THEM ...my youngest was almost 2 yrs old... they know evil they go to church and know who GOD is....have these coversations now....discipline them before they can no longer be disciplined.....you are not their buddy or friend you are their TEACHER...the most important one in their life....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 13, 2012 11:34 AM (Ho2rs)

126 Romney wasn't going to "outlaw women"; he was going to "nationalize uteri."

That being said, one big lesson of this election is that despite what the pundits said, negative campaigning works.

Despite the fact we despise it and don't want to be hypocrites, we need to embrace it.

But, like Gov. Jindal said, let us be the party of innovation.

Our negative campaigning should be aimed at scaring the hell out of people about the system embraced by Democrats, and then tying the candidates to that system. Reminding people that the government the Dems are telling people to love and trust is in fact corrupt, soulless, arrogant, abusive and in most cases flat out detrimental to good outcomes. If the Dems counter promising reforms, remind people reforms only happen when Republicans compel them.

Limbaugh said "You can't fight Santa Claus?" Well, let's make sure everyone knows what they elves' sweatshop is like. Let's show them how much lead and other toxins are in the free toys their getting. And finally, let's show how that fat bastard has personal flying vehicle technology and won't share it with the world.

(Metaphorically speaking of course. Santa! Love you dude. Say hi to the Missus for me.)

Posted by: Glen at November 13, 2012 11:34 AM (K1CbB)

127 36. Ideas?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2012 11:13 AM (vCK/R)


Letting it burn, and sooner, and hotter.
They'll only learn that the stove is hot by laying their hands on it. They need to know that they're the useful idiots.
You don't see eastern Europeans signing up for this "Progressive" shit, do you?

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 13, 2012 11:34 AM (cyrh6)

128 It's still too soon to decide what the future of the party is, imho.

I'm voting for 'Oblivion'. They had their chance and they Whigged out.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 13, 2012 11:35 AM (GBXon)

129 I'm sure we'll get plenty of ideas about getting back to our roots and come up with innovative ideas for the challenges facing the country.

Innovative? Either we stand for less government or we don’t. Bush considered No Child Left Behind to be “innovative.” Yes, it’s hard to get elected saying “Vote for me, I promise to do less.” But that’s the challenge.

For political purposes, we do need alternatives to liberal ideas, rather than just say NO. That would have helped on health care. School choice is a decent rhetorical alternative, though, like most health care alternatives, it avoids the real cause of the problem.

What I'm less sure of is whether we'll find someone who can carry the message to the GOP and the wider electorate and even if we can do people want those kinds of solutions or is it too late?

Too late? Ed Morrissey “Time to cut a deal on immigration”:

I argue that the prospect of another four years of divided governance in Washington means another four years of unsecured borders and a broken visa system without agreeing to compromise, which should be unacceptable to everyone. Nearly a decade of waiting for total control and an insistence on a hard-line solution hasn’t brought us any closer to political victory…. I have always had a borders-and-visas-first, all-else-is-negotiable position on immigration reform. The reason I’m writing this now … again … is that our window for even getting that much is closing.


http://tinyurl.com/ahxbdus

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 11:35 AM (9KqcB)

130 90 -

Interesting perspective. You stayed home. You did not vote for Romney. You got Obama reelected, and your solution is to tear apart the R party and start your own???

That's bloody brilliant.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2012 11:35 AM (ww79u)

131
Ai yi yi. If Jindal doesn't think school vouchers are not gonna be demonized as a tool of the rich, he is shockingly naive.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2012 11:35 AM (PHb2k)

132 Even Jindal, as much as I respect him, seems to think we can tweek things and be OK.

We're already over the cliff. I'm just waiting on the impact.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 13, 2012 11:35 AM (B+qrE)

133 Let's beat up on successful people, take their money and give it to people who will vote for us.

Great plan.
Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2012 11:32 AM (ZDsRL)

It's more like he is saying...

Why do we fight so hard for Corn Farmers in Iowa, most who are actually run by companies, and gives them ethanol subsidies when they just turn around and vote for Democrats.

He's saying make a play for the guy who owns a Restaurant and because of the low profit margin makes only 30,000-40,000k a year after deducting expenses from Revenue.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (i3OIF)

134 "109 As long as you are tied at the hip to the so-con reactionaries, you are doomed. "

Having nominated the most moderate Republican running, and turned out to vote for him (when everybody else couldn't be bothered to vote), it is still all the fault of SoCons.

The fiscal conservatove message os what we ran on. Dismal. Failure.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (uhAkr)

135 Both the Presidential and Vice Presidential slots need to be filled with either a nonwhite Republican or a female Republican or both

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 11:32 AM (ymG7s)

ARRRGGGGGH! This ^^ bothers the crap outta me!!

how about character?? This is beyond ridiculous...affirmative action vapidness in all it's glory

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (JWLqy)

136 "We lost a lot of that after 8 years of Bush where we went along with a
lot of things the conservative movement wasn't very fond of (No Child
Left Behind, Medicare Part D and a big government approach to domestic
security to name a few)."

What "conservative movement"?

According to George W. Bush, there was no such thing. (As I've also said repeatedly before, the imbecilic Bush family destroyed the post-Reagan legacy, and the quote below illustrates precisely why.)

From a Byron York piece:


Bush was preparing to give a speech to the annual meeting
of the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC. The
conference is the event of the year for conservative activists;
Republican politicians are required to appear and offer their praise of
the conservative movement.

Latimer got the assignment to write Bush’s speech. Draft in hand, he
and a few other writers met with the president in the Oval Office. Bush
was decidedly unenthusiastic.

“What is this movement you keep talking about in the speech?” the president asked Latimer.

Latimer explained that he meant the conservative movement — the movement that gave rise to groups like CPAC.

Bush seemed perplexed. Latimer elaborated a bit more. Then Bush leaned forward, with a point to make.

“Let me tell you something,” the president said. “I whupped Gary
Bauer’s ass in 2000. So take out all this movement stuff. There is no
movement.”

Bush seemed to equate the conservative movement — the astonishing
growth of conservative political strength that took place in the decades
after Barry Goldwater’s disastrous defeat in 1964 — with the fortunes
of Bauer, the evangelical Christian activist and former head of the
Family Research Council whose 2000 presidential campaign went nowhere.

Now it was Latimer who looked perplexed. Bush tried to explain.

“Look, I know this probably sounds arrogant to say,” the president said, “but I redefined the Republican Party.”

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (ymG7s)

137
R Politicans think they can change the people's perception of Rsby taking new positions.

It won't work. The media will never allow that to happen.

People keep thinking there is some strategy that will fix or ameliorate the situation.

There is none. You must look out for yourselves and your loved ones only now. There is no political path out of here. This is the reality, not sour grapes.

We have no way to pay the obligations that have been promised. Ugly stagnation and decline for manyyears is our future. The bills will come due and there is no way to raise the money required to pay them.

Anytalk that doesn't include the above realizationis just noise.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (1Y+hH)

138 "They were regrettable and I retract them. mea culpa"

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 11:22 AM (8sCoq)

I went back to the previous thread, because I am second to none in my admiration for offensive comments, and yours sort of sucked. I wasn't offended....it was sort of wishy-washy.

Don't tease me with hints of offensiveness and then not come through.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (GsoHv)

139 Dateline 1st Wednesday of November, 2016 --

Well, that didn't work. What are us conservatives going to do this time?

Wait I got it, let's form tighter circular formations for our firing squads this time.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (ccXZP)

140 how is conroe texas

Conroe ain't bad. It's a little far SE for me (as you get closer to the Gulf, you drink your air more than breathe it), but others love the climate. Not too far from Houston, and it's not podunk itself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (8y9MW)

141 Posted by: Angusmc at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (I5ebA)

You'rejust making up shit now.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (m2CN7)

142 We didn't lose the election because of the message or the way the party is perceived.

We lost because we didn't get as many votes as McCain got due to a fucked up GOTV operation.

I wish people would quit listening to left wing media telling them that republicans are all but extinct unless they turn into democrats.

Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (ZDsRL)

143 128 Skyrim is better.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 11:37 AM (NIZHJ)

144 President Obama is holding on to Eric Holder as the nation’s top law-enforcement official, The Post has learned.

The newly re-elected president asked his controversial attorney general to stay for the second term, and Holder has agreed despite enduring a firestorm of criticism from Republican lawmakers.

“I don’t know if everyone in the White House wants him [Holder] to stay, but the important guy does, and that’s all that matters,” said one person briefed on the matter.

His hardest-fought battle came over the botched sting operation called Fast and Furious, which allowed Mexican drug gangs to get their hands on American guns.

Holder, 61, was accused of stonewalling a House investigation into the case and was held in contempt of Congress this year.

knows where the bodies are buried

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 11:37 AM (79ueO)

145 Te musto embrackero globolo warmingez et stayez awayito from weapanos dangereros!

Posted by: Miguel Bloombito, el nova Republicano at November 13, 2012 11:37 AM (IMxlS)

146 okay, so you disagree with Jindal, but is it constructive or helpful to knock him? Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 11:31 AM

Only when he opens his mouth and shit flows out.

I wouldn't give a damn about what he thinks if it wasn't put out there and, for no good reason, made a part of the "discussion." Same goes with others I mentioned before.

When any of them declares for the presidency I will evaluate their stands and records and make a choice. Until then, they are background noise.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 11:37 AM (yKUrR)

147
"You mean the voters that thought Mitt Romney was going to outlaw women or something? The "intelligence" of those voters?"

We no longer live in America. We live in Freeshitistan. The partthat can still be America cannot until it divorces itself from the part that sold its birth right of Liberty for the mess of pottage given by the Federal Leviathan.

The Free Shit Army are like crabs who will always pull the rest of us back into the government's controlling bucket.We have nothing in common with these people that counts except geography.They also think our commonality lies in that they think government is the only thing that we all belong to. With that very thought they have broken faith with America.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 13, 2012 11:38 AM (xcJht)

148 And the circular firing squad keeps looking for a way to become the DOP without conservatives noticing.

Look Jindal is never gonna be president. He has more of a physical image problem than Michael Dukakis. The guy looks like a plucked chicken thats been in the rottisserie too long.

Lets face the facts, we no longer live in the United States of America.

We now live in the Unified Nanny Sates of Eumerica.

As long as these fucking idiots in the GOP think without STRICT Voter ID laws they are gonna have a chance they are idiots.

1) ENFORCED AND CONSISTANT VOTER ID LAWS
2) Jailtime for Illegally voting and Deportation no iffs ands or butts about it if you are a non citizen and you vote.
3) no more 1 sided party operatives running the counting and ballot box stuffing.
4) no more early voting
5) CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER
6) oh who am i kidding....lets get real its over

LET THE MOTHER FUCKER BURN DOWN TO THE GROUND!

Fuck Barack Obama.

Fuck the Takers.

RIP Makers.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 11:38 AM (ovpNn)

149 AllenG,

You left Georgia, Mississippi and Tennessee off of your list last thread.

Georgia is working hard at on sawing off the south end of Florida (NY transplants) and is pure red not counting the Detroit refugees in ATL and Decatur hipster wannabes.

Mississippi. It's on a big river, yo.

Also on the big river is Tennessee is the reddest state there is.

no love for us possum-eating rednecks ?

*sigh*

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 11:38 AM (EZl54)

150 Dowmegeddon awaits.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 11:38 AM (NIZHJ)

151 We have to lead by example. Support the alternative systems. Be successful. Show the people locked in the Statist systems that our systems have better service and lower costs.

Smash the Progressive State: the State is going to go broke. Help it.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 13, 2012 11:17 AM (J4gw3)


Examples are everywhere in the workaday world. Yet Black America has been re-enslaved by the Democrats since '64 and they still vote for the metaphorical chains. Evil bastards like Farrakhan, Sharpton and Jackson, aided and abetted by Spike Lee, Ice-T and Snoop Dogg reinforce the false narratives of rigged systems, Uncle Tom's, sellouts and to be inauthentic.

Again, how do we penetrate that? And that presupposes that the people who believe it want to be penetrated with the truth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (vCK/R)

152 which is

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (EZl54)

153 I like Jindal and he's a good governor, but it sounds like he's
accepting all of these stereotypes of the GOP as gospel. It was Obama,
not Romney who bailed out banks and auto companies.


This is politics, where perception is reality.

Obama was able to portray the auto bailouts as being for the benefit of Joe Sixpack, not a big corporation. Were it a Republican, the meme would've been about being in bed with Big Oil. Why? Because the stereotype exists, fair or not.

Obama could go on national TV and suck the cock of every Fortune 500 CEO he could find and it still wouldn't matter, because the perception is that he's a "man of the people". A false perception, but that's irrelevant.

The GOP doesn't need to completely roll over to help shed the perception of being a party for the rich. We do need to apply limited government principles and a sense of "fairness" when it comes to corporate welfare, bailouts, and targeted tax breaks that were the result of generous campaign contributions to the right people though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (SY2Kh)

154 "ARRRGGGGGH! This [deliberately picking minority and female candidates for the top of the ticket] bothers the crap outta me!!
how about character?? This is beyond ridiculous...affirmative action vapidness in all it's glory"

In case you hadn't noticed, we just got our tails waxed by precisely that: affirmative action vapidness in all its glory.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. And we just proved we can't beat 'em.


Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (ymG7s)

155 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 11:30 AM (79ueO)

Is it being held locally, and can you go get it?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (GsoHv)

156 Harvard Business School is “deeply troubled” for having offended Arab sensibilities due to the mischaracterization of various foods appearing on the menu of the dining room’s Israeli Mezze Station, Brian Kenny, chief marketing and communications officer of the school, was quoted by Al-Arabiya as saying Friday.

The controversy over the Israeli food station arose after Lebanese Harvard graduate Sara el-Yafi on October 28 posted to her Facebook page a letter of protest to the university describing the Israeli buffet’s menu as an affront to Arabs, as such foods as humous and couscous are not of Israeli origin.

“That ‘Israeli Mezze Station” is the ultimate multicultural, multireligious ‘f*** you’ in the face of ALL Arabs at once from North Africa to the Levant,” el- Yafi wrote.

“Israel already has a hard time keeping face in the Arab world for the way it has ‘appropriated’ its lands since 1948, don’t make it worse for them by having them appropriate other peoples’ foods as well,” she added.

El-Yafi also pointed out that haloumi cheese is in fact “Cypriot,” and therefore “until Cyprus becomes another conquered Israeli territory, haloumi is considered NOT Israeli.”

She concluded that at the very least the buffet should be renamed “Mediterranean Mezze Station.”

Ah fuck you and eat me. At least that is how I feel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (79ueO)

157 Doesn't Jindal also hold the "no exception" to abortion policy, even in cases of rape? I'm honestly asking, I don't know.

Didn't Jindal participate in an exorcism?

Big banks and business was not why Romney lost, I believe a lot more of it was due to the Republican Party looking like SoCon extremists. It's going to be very hard for Jindal to convince me he's not a Santorum/Huckabee/Akin Republican.

Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (aVSeo)

158 One thing in Jindal's favor is the article does not link to a transcript... I would like to know what he meant when he said this:

(decrying the
GOP’s tendency to reminisce about how things were ) “better in the good
ol’ days,” (is tougher on his party’s tone than its substance.)

Posted by: Baldy at November 13, 2012 11:41 AM (opS9C)

159 This sucks. If I don't get any money today ( and most of my money comes
from Isurance companies) I will have to lend money to the practice and I
do NOT like doing that.

Sorry, that blows. I'll be loosing a a few insurance/supplement providers as customers. They can't compete with AARP and the govt collecting for them.

Posted by: ryukyu at November 13, 2012 11:41 AM (Cvyuv)

160 Fuck it.

Let Obamaphone whore and everyone who believes the lies burn.

The problem with punishment is two-fold; one, we are going to burn along with them and two, they won't see it as punishment since they will go to their graves believing it's the fault of all of us.

Fuck it. ONE GIANT MIKVAH. LET THEM DROWN.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2012 11:41 AM (vCK/R)

161 Doesn't Jindal also hold the "no exception" to abortion policy, even in cases of rape? I'm honestly asking, I don't know.

Didn't Jindal participate in an exorcism?

Big banks and business was not why Romney lost, I believe a lot more of it was due to the Republican Party looking like SoCon extremists. It's going to be very hard for Jindal to convince me he's not a Santorum/Huckabee/Akin Republican.
Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (aVSeo)

Yes he holds the "no exception" policy, and no he's not Akin.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:41 AM (i3OIF)

162 Yet Black America has been re-enslaved by the Democrats since '64 and they still vote for the metaphorical chains.

The depressing thing is, after the rivers of blood in the 1860s shed for their freedom, and the further blood and sweat 100 years later to seal the deal, they sold themselves cheaply. Makes you wonder, sometimes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 13, 2012 11:41 AM (GBXon)

163 88 ca here all my old life we are picking up and moving in june selling the house and moving to texas rather pay higher mortgage taxes than supporting this states populace its lost texans how is conroe texasPosted by: bellaz at November 13, 2012 11:27 AM (4IKUP) I live in a place called Porter, TX. It's between Conroe and Houston. Look for a subdivision called Cumberland on FM 1314 if you are serious about coming here. There are quite a few houses that you can get at quite a steal. I have some detailed knowledge about the subdivision that most real estate agents won't allow you to have (I had a very good one.) Last two summers the humidity hasn't been that bad due to droughts. Which presented it's own set of problems but nothing drastic.If we do have wet summers the humidity can get intense for those that aren't used to it.

Posted by: cajun carrot of the carebear electorate at November 13, 2012 11:41 AM (UZQM8)

164 Doesn't he manage the Seven Eleven up the street?

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 13, 2012 11:42 AM (NIZHJ)

165
Grrr sorry about that last post, Windows 8 and IE 10 have that stupid carriage return issue and I forgot to pull up notepad.

Posted by: cajun carrot of the carebear electorate at November 13, 2012 11:42 AM (UZQM8)

166 Anybody seen Todd Aiken lately?

How about that bitch of a wife of his or that shadey campaign cash sucking cocksucker son of his?

No?


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 11:42 AM (ovpNn)

167 If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. And we just proved we can't beat 'em.


Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (ymG7s)

No we got beat because in order to pander... the message was watered down...I mean FFS Benghazi wasn't brought up so as not to offend the delicate ears of the wishy washy moderates who could not make up their minds until they were driven to the polls by a union member

I'm not joining that crap

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 13, 2012 11:42 AM (JWLqy)

168 Because they are hypocrites and need to go. Jindal is 100% right.

Yup.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 11:42 AM (TULs6)

169 “We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,

Do we own GM or are we owned by Goldman Sachs? What is this tripe? I can only hope it's been "taken out of context".

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 11:42 AM (FcR7P)

170 The GOP's anti-tampon stance is killing us.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2012 11:42 AM (pwyhn)

171 You left Georgia, Mississippi and Tennessee off of your list last thread.

I left out Montana and Wyoming, too. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be part of any Constitutional Union of North American States, they just didn't much matter to my point.

Well, except Mississippi- them I just missed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (8y9MW)

172 re do people want solutions or is it too late:
My daughter and some of her peers sometimes joke about how the world will get better once the boomers die off.
She may be right.
When society is no longer run by the biggest group of masturbators ever to whine in their dirty diapers, the next group will turn the wheels as best THEY can.
Is this a variant of "let it burn"? Maybe.
But given that the message lapped up via social media microtargeting campaign was soundbytes of stupid, until schools actually teach skills, facts, and how to think and continue to educate onself, as opposed to how to feel and what to think, it's going to be an uphill battle. Same with media that is advertainment for the same group, including subsidized public media labelled "culture".
I have hope in a lot of the young people who did vote against Obama--the ones who are trying to start their adult lives in his economy, who are actually WORKING in it and appalled by it. others will awaken as it continues to...burn.

Posted by: barbarausa at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (WWeoI)

173 Zo explains why the GOP must nominate a minority

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (vYB+W)

174 >>157 Doesn't Jindal also hold the "no exception"
>>to abortion policy, even in cases of rape?
>>I'm honestly asking, I don't know.

YES.

>>Didn't Jindal participate in an exorcism?

YES.

I believe he has also been on the wrong side of the Creationism thing. At least, the Left has tried to wrap that around his neck.


It's not so much that I disagree with what he's saying, but I disagree with the timing AND I'm going to make the folks setting the new rules about SoCons (of which I am not one, incidentally) choke on them.

Jindal is thoroughly damaged goods.

Hell, ROMNEY was unacceptable under the New Rules.

Basically, you're looking at Chris Christie as your acceptable candidate now. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (5H6zj)

175 Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 11:38 AM (ovpNn)

I am going to bet that I am not the only one who sees your name and immediately skips over the comment.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (GsoHv)

176 http://tinyurl.com/afngdt3

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (vYB+W)

177 Hahaha, this makes, what, 998 different and contradictory plans for "fixing" the GOP?

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (GdalM)

178 "I believe a lot more of it was due to the Republican Party looking like SoCon extremists. "

Try not to look into any facts about the election.

Urban voters turn out at 100% because they think you're after tampons, not their checks.

And I'm sure all those moderate Republicans who stayed home were outraged about Akin. So outraged they voted against the moderate they selected in the goddamn primary.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 11:44 AM (uhAkr)

179
I believe a lot more of it was due to the Republican Party
looking like SoCon extremists.

Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 11:39 AM (aVSeo)

I believe this more than anything else. The Donks stroked
this brush real well in the last month of the election.

Posted by: cajun carrot of the carebear electorate at November 13, 2012 11:44 AM (UZQM8)

180 Posted by: Peter Rock at November 13, 2012 11:36 AM (m2CN7)

Are you claiming that Romney's main tax plan out on the campaign trail was not:
a) cut dividend taxes
b) cut capital gains taxes

Imagine you are in a struggling blue-collar family that is barely making ends meet and whose salary has remained stagnant for the last decade. How in bleep is this appeal at all attractive to you?


Posted by: Angusmc at November 13, 2012 11:44 AM (I5ebA)

181 This cheese. It is Easy, but I'm not sure it's actually cheese.

Posted by: Snack Time at November 13, 2012 11:44 AM (BgIBZ)

182 Its too late. If the GOP cannot beat a sitting president with this crappy economy, Fast and Furious and Benghazi.... It cant win elections period.

I signed every petition for secession up there. Just hoping for a pissy, dismissive response from DC.

Posted by: Thelmadatter at November 13, 2012 11:44 AM (zCGD0)

183 @144 - as I've said all along, this administration came into office believing the 'permanent Democratic majority' spin, sure they'd have six years to do whatever they wanted before there was any sort of meaningful oversight or pushback.

Obamacare is perhaps the most visible outcome of this, but Justice and the EPA were out there in the lead too, pushing aside the law to further the adminstration's agenda.

The 2010 election threw a speedbump at them, but between absolutely rabid media support and a lack of killer instinct on the part of GOP leadership so far it's been no more than a speedbump.


Posted by: JEM at November 13, 2012 11:44 AM (o+SC1)

184 >>>>The more likely scenario is Japan where they have been trying to spend their way out of recovery.
_

I think it's going to happen much sooner than people think. The Japan scenario can only work in Japan, and it can only work in a relatively stable global economic environment.

And the world has largely turned away from UST already. The Fed is funding the sales. So when the EU goes under, Japan will finally have to deal. And who knows what will happen in China when that occurs.

That point isn't very far off. Our debt is already well past the point of no return. Any shock will drive up rates and make debt service crowd out entitlement spending. Then the government either gets to choose bankruptcy in for form of hyperinflation or monster deflation.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 13, 2012 11:44 AM (J4gw3)

185 "Having nominated the most moderate Republican running, and turned out to
vote for him (when everybody else couldn't be bothered to vote), it is
still all the fault of SoCons.
The fiscal conservatove message os what we ran on."

Utter. Bullshit.

The fiscal conservative message was the _official_ message.

The _unofficial_ message, from the socon bloc, which was every bit as important, was that if a woman is raped and gets pregnant, it can't have been a "legitimate rape". Backed up by the unofficial message that some rape induced pregnancies are something that "God intended" to happen.

If the socons had kept their mouths shut, and not gaffed repeatedly, and if this election had in fact wholly been about the fiscon message, it could be convincingly claimed that fiscon messaging lost the election. Except that didn't happen and it's not true. Simply, flatly not true. And it's childish and irrational to cling to that proposition.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (ymG7s)

186 http://tinyurl.com/bothqke

Completely OT But Ben Roethlisberger shoulder injury does not look good.

Great!!! Bammy win, Still no Hockey & now Big Ben might have season ending surgery on his Rotator cuff

Posted by: Evilpens at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (ck76k)

187 Forget all this. How do I get Breitbart TV ("Live and never from Washington") over cable?

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (FcR7P)

188 173 Joey Plugz,

Zo better start scouring Philly's phone booth GOP for a nominee.

Zo is gonna be told a lie that my turning my back on national politics and running south is racism, I hope Zo gets past that and joins us.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (LRFds)

189 OK, Republicans.

Explain this to me. Explain to me how attacking billionaire welfare queens instead of impoverished single-mother welfare queens is joining with andturning into democrats.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (TULs6)

190
I give up. Even conservatives are blind to reality. They think they can elect someone who will fix all this.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (1Y+hH)

191 179
Murdock didn't help.

Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (BgIBZ)

192 Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (5H6zj)

I am happy with Christie as my governor, but I will actively work against him if he runs for the presidency.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (GsoHv)

193 @109

Hey Dougf ,

Once more for CLARITY!


So-Cons do not care what consenting adult human hole you put your crank in as long as :

1) they don't have to hear about it
2) if they DO have to hear about it they can express an opinion about your revelation that you may not share or be happy without government speech suppression
3) they do NOT have to condone, support , or approve of your behavior
4) they do not have to pay for the results of your choices

Never mind. You are probably far too blinded by your stupid need for unanimous approval to ever understand.



Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (EZl54)

194 Let's nominate another Romney! Only moderate fiscal conservatives can win the next election!

Purge the SoCons!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 11:46 AM (uhAkr)

195 Wait till Jindal runs, and the Dems talk about how we are outsourcing our candidates to India.

Posted by: Baldy at November 13, 2012 11:46 AM (opS9C)

196
“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business,
big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big
anything,




that's the media's charge, not ours


gotta beat the media. This is what Breitbart was all about.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 11:46 AM (8sCoq)

197 "Yes he holds the "no exception" policy, and no he's not Akin."

Then yes he is.

Akin's damage to the GOP was not because he misunderstood female biology about stress and fertility, it was the "no abortion for rape victims" that was put on trial.

You absolutely cannot win on that platform. Period. So Jindal either needs to renounce it or he's dead in the water.

Honestly, I think the national GOP needs to start getting involved in primaries and running people out that espouse that view in terms of public policy.

Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 11:46 AM (aVSeo)

198 >>Didn't Jindal participate in an exorcism?

NO.

Read his freaking new oxford article on the incident before peddling that crap.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:47 AM (i3OIF)

199 Is it still rape-rape if she was asking for it?

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 11:47 AM (NIZHJ)

200 182 Thelmadatter,

I didn't sorry.

i will in 2014 if the wife is fired and i'm able.

I'm already high up on the open secrets list.

No need to add another log on the fire.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:47 AM (LRFds)

201 President Barack Obama is putting together his cabinet for a second term, including a new CIA director. So far, only Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has confirmed she will leave. And Republicans are already objecting to her potential replacement.

CBS News has learned that President Obama is likely to nominate Susan Rice, the current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to replace Clinton as Secretary of State.

White House sources say the president feels he should be able to choose the cabinet members he wants, and they say that Rice has performed well on Iran and North Korea. But Rice was the public face of the administration’s response to the attacks in Benghazi, Libya, saying that they were prompted by a spontaneous protest — not terrorism — and she has come under fire from Republicans.

When asked about the possibility of Rice’s nomination as Secretary of State, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., had this to say on CBS News’ “Face the Nation”: “I’m not entertaining, promoting anybody that I think was involved with the Benghazi debacle. We need to get to the bottom of it. The president has a lot of leeway with me and others when it comes to making appointments, but I’m not going to promote somebody who I think has misled the country or is either incompetent. That’s my view of Susan Rice.”

obama holder and rice O'My, obama holder and rice O'My, obama holder and rice O'My. And we're off to see the.....

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 11:47 AM (79ueO)

202 Had some work to do and am just now catching up...so let me bring this forward from earlier:


Every so often, we get a glimpse behind the
signatureAoS rowdiness and bawdiness. Sometimes it is a pleasant
surprise - BCochran, despite his penchant for posting risque photos,
takes his marriage and others much more seriously than his internet
persona would suggest. Other glimpses into how people really think
aren't so pleasant....

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 13, 2012 11:07 AM (aJahi)


Lemme make something perfectly clear, my marriage trumps any and everything else. While I may enjoy looking at boobs (who the hell doesn't?), it has no bearing on my view of marriage or my fidelity. I stood before God, family and friends and swore to love, honor and cherish my wife NO MATTER WHAT. And I fucking meant every word of it. If, somehow, I've given the impression that anything less than that is the case, I apologize and hope this sets that damn record straight.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 11:47 AM (da5Wo)

203
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2012 11:08 AM (YdQQY)


Dude, the article's at Politico. Of course they'd run with that.

Posted by: joanne's down with operation LIB at November 13, 2012 11:47 AM (VNFBf)

204 So clearly the cool thing to do now is form a circular firing squad, confirm all the ad hominem attacks of the left (that we're the party of big anything) and try to be populist again?
I abhor populism frankly. It's a pander to the lowest common denominator of thinking. Little better than the pandering of the SCOAMF. The masses are morons (and not the HQ kind) who will vote for the guy with the prettiest smile and slickest sale pitch
Far better IHMO to go with our principles, dig down, refine the message and get ready for 4, 8, 12, years of political trench warfare. If we can't pull people to our side based on the virtues of our position. Then we lose, tough shit, things burn. Changing our positions only capitulates and nothing else. It's a "if you can't beat them..." mentality that serves no one except the democrats.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 11:48 AM (u1Lwt)

205 Imagine you are in a struggling blue-collar family that is barely making
ends meet and whose salary has remained stagnant for the last decade.
How in bleep is this appeal at all attractive to you?


I've said it before. Being Liberal is easy. You can just believe any number of contradictory things and you don't have to worry about them. Being Conservative is hard- it forces you to think out past the first set of consequences of an action.

Any time Republicans get a chance they explain "cutting taxes on businesses gives them more capital. They'll use that capital to hire people. As the pool of available labor goes down, assuming demand remains fairly steady, wages will increase. Meaning you'll have more money in your pocket at the end of the day."

That doesn't fit into a soundbite, though. As it was, Romney did a credible job getting out the message that lower taxes on business = more new jobs.

People didn't care. Too many of them have realized that they actually live better without a job than they did with their professional salary.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 11:48 AM (8y9MW)

206 I'm seriously laughing here at all these supposed Morons that think no criticism of the party other than "NOT RED ENOUGH" is legit.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 13, 2012 11:48 AM (xAtAj)

207 okay, so you disagree with Jindal, but is it constructive or helpful to knock him? Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 11:31 AM

Helpful? No. But it's absolutely essential, if you want to be a Grade A Blog Commenter, that you let no opportunity pass without demonstrating how ideological pure you are, surrounded by an army of cowards who simply don't share your commitment to looking tough on the web.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 11:48 AM (9KqcB)

208 @171

CUNAS ?

Folks from Lousiana will really appreciate this acronym! : )

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 11:48 AM (EZl54)

209 "Akin's damage to the GOP was not because he misunderstood female biology about stress and fertility, it was the "no abortion for rape victims" that was put on trial."

Akin wasn't running for National Office, he was running in Missouri. He took a spark, and turned it into a brushfire, because he dug in a way that made him look arrogant.

If he merely says he doesn't think the child should be punished in that way and leaves it at that, he would have been in the clear.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 11:48 AM (i3OIF)

210 192 CBD,

Joisey Buddah will kill the GOP permanently.

I meant what i said when he fellated O....

"congrats I was wondering who'd take the Rwn Poll f*8k you GOP seat Chris you waddled right up."

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:49 AM (LRFds)

211
We should approach every accusation about "protecting the rich" with the same statement of fact:
"The Rich?Oh, No- they will be fine. You raise taxes on them, they won't miss it to much- it is the people they employ, the people they would hire, the business relationships and the people employed by them who will suffer."

That is the lesson the ignorant masses need to learn.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 13, 2012 11:50 AM (4ABat)

212 I am going to bet that I am not the only one who sees your name and immediately skips over the comment.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (GsoHv)


Heh. Fucking racist pots.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 11:50 AM (TULs6)

213 I believe a lot more of it was due to the Republican Party
looking like SoCon extremists.
------
I believe the people pushing this are, by and large, people who wanted Romney (or similar) from the get-go and who are so invested in that choice that it cannot possibly be Romney's fault that he lost.

The exit polls show that people thought Romney was plenty competent on the economy, the thing that they claimed was their top issue. But they believed he didn't give a shit about them or understand them and that's on him.

Last time we nominated a doddering albino against the First Black President-to-be. This time we nominated a millionaire businessman against the Class Warfare Santa Claus incumbent.

It was a risk we knew going in. Unfortunately, Team Romney did not address it adequately and we lost.

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2012 11:50 AM (5H6zj)

214 #129, CJ -- This is just one of the reasons I advocate putting Ed Morrissey out to pasture. To him, politics is a friggin' game, a contest you "win" by twisting your message to appeal to the people whose ideas are found in polls. The human and fiscal cost of allowing certain politicians to skirt both law and morality (*cough Choom Boy *cough*) simply never penetrates his skull.

During the entire Osama Obama regime I haven't seen Poppin' Fresh once indicating that he has -- or knows anyone who has -- Dangling Courage Units. Of any size. If he has taken any kind of stand for the country, I missed it.

I don't have time for people like that.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 11:50 AM (yKUrR)

215 206 HandJob,

go build your own party or take what's left here I'm deciding a few things but one of 'em is I ain;t buying what you're selling.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:50 AM (LRFds)

216 My God, we are such idiots. "Swing voters" did not vote based on "rape" or "big business" or "taxes" or the "party platform". They voted because they saw Bambi on 3,000 magazine covers and heard he's cool.

Most of the electorate we are supposedly trying to capture has NO CLUE what the GOP or Democrat message is. If Tuesday didn't teach us that all this political talk is masturbating into the wind, then fuck, nothing will. Now shhhh... The Voice is coming on.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:51 AM (1wlKa)

217 Forgive me, 'rons. It hasn't been a good morning , and I got all whiney and crap.

But I AM tired. Maybe I should just take a break from the 'net for awhile -- I'm hardly on Twitter anymore anyway, so that's a start.

On the positive side, I'm in Oklahoma, and if I really have to, I can regroup with family and friends in Texas.

Maybe later I can arrange a moron meet-up for those of us in the OKC area. I'll even volunteer to be the designated driver.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 13, 2012 11:51 AM (cVfX0)

218 214 Scribbler,

yup Ed's dead to me.

No more tepid unless I am preaching to the weak.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:51 AM (LRFds)

219 Sven I respect your many rants, but in no way am I calling for a third party.

You think Tea Party isn't populist?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 13, 2012 11:51 AM (xAtAj)

220 Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 11:33 AM (0PiQ4)

Sorry... but that is incorrect. Europe and the Japenese had US to defend them. We supported both their markets, AND their physical defense during that timeframe... we were the Superpower...

But, as the American economy declines, who defends US? There is no big brother to dump money into banks to keep us afloat, nor to defend our borders from the War we are currently in with Islam...

2 years.... at the outside, IMO, before serious financial collapse...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 11:51 AM (lZBBB)

221 217 CW,

Take a break nuke twitter if you need to...and i think OK will come along for the ride.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:52 AM (LRFds)

222 I'm Tea Party booster 100%.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 13, 2012 11:52 AM (xAtAj)

223
Torquewrench @185:

We didn't lose because of the socons, we lost because we ran a candidate who believe, just like Obama, that a government can put a gun to your head and force you to buy health insurance.
Get it through your head, why would any true American vote for either of those POS's? There is only one reason and that is because the other guy is worse.
Well, we didn't bother to vote, that is why Romney lost. Quit nominating statists and we might vote.

Posted by: doug at November 13, 2012 11:52 AM (uJ8q7)

224 Late to the party, but just in case you missed it, O'Reilly may have redeemed himself once and for all with this flawless-- flawless-- evaluation.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d33x6mu
I disagree with him only in his prescription. Not a "great man" theorist here; all we really need is a Coolidge who will lay it out pretty much like, well, O'Reilly, or Coolidge.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 13, 2012 11:52 AM (1V6Pv)

225 I'm torn when it comes to Jindal. What he said is right on the money. I voted for him and think he's done a good job as governor. *Until* he rammed those education reform bills through the legislature. Like the ACA his education reform agenda contains many good and necessary changes - along with a lot of ridiculous destructive crap that will only make things worse not to mention there is good evidence the reforms are designed to funnel money to political friends. Jindal permanently lost my support because of the education reforms. I am troubled by the extent to which "conservatives" praise them uncritically.

Posted by: Rick67 at November 13, 2012 11:53 AM (Pq+/6)

226 "If the socons had kept their mouths shut, and not gaffed repeatedly, and if this election had in fact wholly been about the fiscon message, it could be convincingly claimed that fiscon messaging lost the election. Except that didn't happen and it's not true. Simply, flatly not true. And it's childish and irrational to cling to that proposition."

The fiscon message, you mean like the 47%?

Why no talk about idiot FiscCons making bonehead costly gaffes?

You can never innoculate against stupid statements. They happen.

Childish and irresponsible is to blame the one group that turned out to support the moderate GOP candidate.

This is just scapegoating by liberal Republicans (who didn't turn out) to change the party platform.

The mistake we made was not engaging social issues at all. We let the dems and the gaffe-prone define us, while the "experts" assured us saying unemployment was high would win the election.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 11:53 AM (uhAkr)

227 >>>>>2 years.... at the outside, IMO, before serious financial collapse...


That's my time frame. Within 2 years.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 13, 2012 11:53 AM (J4gw3)

228 "... and even if we can do people want those kinds of solutions or is it too late?"
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A large segment of the population isn't receptive to solutions like that, and policies such as mass immigration and non-enforcement of the border are growing it as fast as possible. It is now part of a winning coalition, and with present policies it is only going to get stronger with every election cycle.

A large segment of the population is receptive to solutions like that, but that part is withering under hostile government policies, including affirmative action. And conservatives refuse to identify that part of the population as an existing, legitimate "community" and deserving of specific political representation. So the legal handicaps grow, demoralization is unrelieved, and the Whites continue to get forced towards genocide by chronic mass immigration and forced integration and assimilation.

Anybody who is allegedly in favor of a set of policies, but is fine with driving into the ground the only people who, realistically, are going to be willing to accept and implement these policies is just posing.

It's easy to sound like a pleasant genius with answers for everything as long as you "forget" the practical problems with your solutions, and do nothing to provoke the storm of abuse that awaits anyone who tries to take on the issues for real.

If you go straight at the most relevant contemporary issues, and aim to do what is necessary, disregarding the false conventional wisdom, you won't come off as a genius in the eyes of the enlightened, you'll be abused as retarded fascist, as Ronald Reagan was.

I don't see anyone around who is willing to take the kind of abuse that Reagan took to deal directly and effectively with the problems of his era, in order to deal with the key problems of this era.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 13, 2012 11:53 AM (GvL1T)

229
Jindahl's right. Who did he support in the primary? Yeah, the exploding Perry, but who had the nerve to call Social Security a ponzi scheme? See how that works? Plain speak. Claim it first before the opposition can set the narrative. And fight back by using examples of lefty cronyism. Oh, and tell the naddering nabobs in the conservative press to shut the fuck up.

Posted by: joanne's down with operation LIB at November 13, 2012 11:53 AM (VNFBf)

230 @215

c'mon now. ALL the cool kids are moving left left left!

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 13, 2012 11:53 AM (EZl54)

231
"As long as you are tied at the hip to the so-con reactionaries, you are doomed."


So what's the big plan, then? How do you purge all those so-con reactionaries? Oaths of allegiance to moderate secularism? Forcing people to prove their bona fides by publicly pissing on a crucifix? Demanding a doctor's certificate to prove we've had at least one abortion? What are you going to do?

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 13, 2012 11:53 AM (FkH4y)

232 Do we own GM or are we owned by Goldman Sachs? What is this tripe? I can only hope it's been "taken out of context".

I'm going to keep harping on this.

IT DOES NOT MATTER that the Obama administration is a sucker of big bank cock while funneling taxpayer money to campaign bundlers and favored corporations.

It's the truth, but the truth won't swing votes if the perception remains that the Dems are for the "little guy" and the GOP is for "the rich".

Electoral politics isn't a game of Jeopardy where a command of verifiable facts win the game. Instead, it's deciding who the Prom Queen and King will be.

Romney didn't lose because of his political stances. He lost because he's Mitt Romney, and people just couldn't relate to him. Feelings, not fact drove the result- just like every other election in modern times.

The truth is what voters believe it to be, not what is backed by facts.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (SY2Kh)

233 219 Hobojerky,

You don't grow by punitive taxes, and you don;t win by nailing your farmers.

We put farmers in the free shit army camp we're done.

I will not be the party of enraged former union member blue collar envy squads and my dad is a member of that squad I am an ally of.

He wants to sit out fine.

I want growth and frugality on free shit at a minimum.

We are just gonna part company HJ you and I no biggie.

You cost us this cycle I won;t pretend I'm on your team and cost you next.

I quit.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (LRFds)

234 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2012 11:47 AM (79ueO)

If any Republican in DC had balls, the confirmation hearing would be great.

Imagine Rice pleading the 5th during her confirmation!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (GsoHv)

235 Can we for the love of GAWD stop talking about Todd Frikkin Akin.....allow him to slink off to oblivion.

Its done. Let it go.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (OWjjx)

236 "Akin wasn't running for National Office, he was running in Missouri. He
took a spark, and turned it into a brushfire, because he dug in a way
that made him look arrogant.



If he merely says he doesn't think the child should be punished in
that way and leaves it at that, he would have been in the clear."

For the record, on a moral level I believe the child is innocent, but that's a moral stance, and to make the case that should be the "law" only elects Democrats.

I would have ZERO problem if Jindal said that was his belief on a moral level, but if he tries to run for President on a "no abortion for rape victims" platform, you're talking about the Democrats winning 40 states.

Democrats ran "Akin" ads across the country and it worked.

I'm done with that idiotic wing of the Party and I have zero tolerance for it anymore, it cost us the Senate and had much to do with Romney's loss.

Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (aVSeo)

237 "And I'm sure all those moderate Republicans who stayed home were
outraged about Akin. So outraged they voted against the moderate they
selected in the goddamn primary."

More rampant self-delusion. "The moderate they selected"?

What percentage of the GOP do you think votes in primaries?

Primary participation for both parties has been under 20% for several cycles now. The people who turn out in primaries are the hardest hard core of a party's base. Not representative of those who vote in the general.

So no, for the overwhelming majority of Republicans, voting for Obama or for a third party or not voting at all was not "voting against the moderate they selected in the goddamn primary", because the overwhelming majority of Republicans didn't select Romney (or anyone else) in the goddamn primary.

The first step to beginning to win elections again is to grasp the nettle of factual reality. It's amazing how far some commenters are from that particular goal.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (ymG7s)

238 Imagine you are in a struggling blue-collar family that is barely making ends meet and whose salary has remained stagnant for the last decade. How in bleep is this appeal at all attractive to you?

I guess we have to target that voter, without overlapping into the 47% who pay no federal income tax and don't give a shit about taxes or spending.

Frankly, we should get 90% of the married, family vote. We can't get the rest, but we sure as shit should get the votes of sturggling married couples who have no on to advocate for them.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (9KqcB)

239 Romney wasn't "cool" he didn't have all Hollywood campaigning for him. The media made sure to remind us of all of his gaffes, and not enough people came out to vote for us. Cult of personality and moochers elected obama...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 13, 2012 11:55 AM (9+ccr)

240 No. There is nothing that can be done. The GOP will never win when the unlikely voter favors the democrat party in such huge numbers. Unlikely voters vote now.

Posted by: Closing Time at November 13, 2012 11:55 AM (1crPI)

241 Do we give credit to Obama's team for running the most racist campaign in modern American history? It was effective.

Obama's pastor (not Rev Wright, but Lowery) said "all white folks are going to hell" and "I don't know what kind of n***** wouldn't vote with a black man running."

What a complex and impressive campaign Obama ran --vote for me, I'm black!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 13, 2012 11:56 AM (ZPrif)

242 “We’re a populist party and we’ve got to make that clear going forward,” he said.

Wrong. The GOP was a Constitutional party. What it is, now ... who knows? But populism is not a foundation of the GOP.

I was never a big Jindal fan. He's fine for Louisianna, but that's about it. The fact that he's Constitutionally ineligible for the Presidency is a problem, too, but I guess that might play into why he downplays the importance of the Constitution.

Of course, none of this matters anymore in the American Socialist Superstate. These idiots can twist their GOP into whatever they want. It doesn't matter. America is gone. Suicide by Indonesian has been reconfirmed (just in case any had doubts) and that is that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 13, 2012 11:56 AM (X3lox)

243 Posted by: Rick67 at November 13, 2012 11:53 AM (Pq+/6)

I'll defer to your superior knowledge of Jindal, but what he said made sense. We have to think outside the box if we want to save this great country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:56 AM (GsoHv)

244 Re: Rove and the coterie of largely weak and flabby and spectacularly wrong Republican "elites": I think it would be fun to waterboard some of these bitches to see where their loyalties really lie. Failing that, can't we at least make them submit a specimen to test for controlled substances?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 13, 2012 11:56 AM (1V6Pv)

245 226 bevel,

Bevel I am a FiCon first then SoCon in minor key but I will not be part of a party that throws morals under the bus.

I'll find somewhere new or go work my ass off and wait to die.

Sorry I was as enraged at Akin as i was but i kinda saw it was toxic.

I apologize for the fury,.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:56 AM (LRFds)

246 We are so fucked now I actually will cheer bad economic news in the next 4 years.

I don't fucking care.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 13, 2012 11:56 AM (EoQ9s)

247
Just because 51% of the country voted for a Harvard trained retard who can't do basic algebra or understand cause and effect means that the laws of science and logic are going to change. By depending on Obama's "HOPE" they are truly hopeless. And they are past the point of no return if they couldn't figure that out after four years of Obama's "HOPE".

Theynow part of a faith based cult that are turning America into Obama's Jonestown, and it time for those with open eyes to run for the jungle.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 13, 2012 11:57 AM (xcJht)

248 And somebody get Jindal to do some weight-lifting. Some neck exercises. His neck is too skinny for his head. It's disturbing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 13, 2012 11:57 AM (ZPrif)

249 If babies could vote, liberals would be pro-life.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:57 AM (1wlKa)

250 You cost us this cycle I won;t pretend I'm on your team and cost you next.

I quit.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (LRFds)

Sven, you are the biggest straw-man slayer I've met on the HQ. Read my comments. I gladly voted for Romney. I even though he was going to win. Go try and find a single comment where I said we should raise taxes, impose violence on others, etc.
You can't.
You're just projecting.

What a joke.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 13, 2012 11:57 AM (xAtAj)

251 Most of the electorate we are supposedly trying to capture has NO CLUE what the GOP or Democrat message is.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:51 AM (1wlKa)

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This is very true. Sadly.

Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 13, 2012 11:58 AM (BgIBZ)

252

Instead of spending a
billion in two months trying to repair 4 years worth of slander from the other
side, why not spend a 100 mil or so in the mean time trying to establish a
favorable view in the public, maybe on an issue by issue approach. And do something about the voter fraud. Talk about blatant.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 13, 2012 11:58 AM (oVHYc)

253 Again with the "blame the socons?" Seriously?

Look, first off, Republicans need the Social Conservative wing of the party. They outnumber the independents. If you jettison them, you'll never win. Get over it. Move on.

Second, it might help if there were an over-arching message about "This is what Republicans stand for, socially" in national elections. Just like we do fiscally, we can say, "Republicans believe X about abortion, and Y about same-sex couples, and Z about whatever else."

When you don't, when the Presidential Candidate is silent on those issues, you're going to get people like Akin and Mourdock. And Mourdock's answer was only bad when taken violently out of context.

We can debate exactly what positions X, Y, and Z can be, but we also need to make sure it's known that those are our national positions- the things our US House, Senate, and Presidential candidates will pursue.

Then, when someone like Akin is asked "You oppose abortion, but what about rape?" He can say, "Our position is that abortion is a State issue. Roe v Wade is not bad because it made abortion more available, it is bad because the US Supreme Court usurped the power of the Senate and House to make law, and violated the 10th Amendment in the process."

Let people running for State Legislatures and Governor's seats talk about "legitimate rape" or "gifts from God."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 11:58 AM (8y9MW)

254 Rand somehow manages to be constitutional AND populist.

Think on that.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 13, 2012 11:58 AM (xAtAj)

255 I think some people are taking his comments to be "we are, and must not be the party of" .. rather, as some here were saying, it's more that we CANNOT let ourselves get painted as that, because conservatives DO care about the common man.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 13, 2012 11:59 AM (HXWlL)

256
Frankly, we should get 90% of the married, family vote. We can't get the rest, but we sure as shit should get the votes of sturggling married couples who have no on to advocate for them.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (9KqcB)

And even if we did we'd still lose. Less people are getting married. More children are born out if wedlock. Unless we can get the bastard vote, which we can't without changing the name of the Republican Party to the Democratic Party, we're sunk.

Posted by: Closing Time at November 13, 2012 11:59 AM (1crPI)

257 GOP will become more populist. Only hope is attracting more poor whites. Poor whites like populism.

Not saying this is a good thing. Dems and Repubs have been trading whites for decades now. Rich whites increasingly Dem, poor whites heading Repub.

Inevitable result is Repubs go populist.

And populism always sells in Louisiana. It's a corrupt, populist state. The people there like corrupt, populist politicians.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 13, 2012 11:59 AM (ZPrif)

258 The real problem here is is getting our message to the average American citizen. The main stream media does a good job that varies from filtering us out to completely changing our message.

Until we find a way to counter this we will stay in the same hole we are in with only an occasional victory. And FOX news is not the answer we have to be where the people we want to message go to for information.

I have no clue as to how to accomplish this. Anyone...

Posted by: John at November 13, 2012 11:59 AM (PnW5k)

259 Anyone who says that libertinism is the path to Liberty is a fool, a dangerous fool, and my enemy.
Liberty, not license. Not to go all Burkean on you, but, "It is ordained in the eternal order of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free, for their passions forge their fetters."
If you don't get even that much, that we are a nation with a government, and not the other way round, and that the only way a nation lives is through the nuclear family, you should check your brain at the door of the opium den. That's the most efficient manner for you to live your ideal.
Fool.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 13, 2012 12:00 PM (1V6Pv)

260 186 http://tinyurl.com/bothqke

Completely OT But Ben Roethlisberger shoulder injury does not look good.

Great!!! Bammy win, Still no Hockey & now Big Ben might have season ending surgery on his Rotator cuff
Posted by: Evilpens at November 13, 2012 11:45 AM (ck76k)

____________________


NOoooooo!!1



Anyways--

Guess what?

The Email Petraeus thing just got--

crazier--literally.


Don't know if you guys have seen it.

Looks like the "twin" lost custody of her son for being a bat shit crazy liar--and Petraeus wrote a letter for her to the Court.

From The NY Post:

The judge blasted Khawam for giving false evidence, and noted that a court-ordered shrink had found her domestic-violence allegations to be “part of an ever-expanding set of sensational accusations . . . that are so numerous, so extraordinary and [so] distorted that they defy any common-sense view of reality.

The judge also noted that she “is a psychologically unstable person.”

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 12:00 PM (r2PLg)

261 Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (aVSeo)

Yes!

With just a few words any candidate, no matter how pure on the abortion issue (except for the lunatics) can diffuse criticism by saying that it is a personal moral view, and that it is not an issue for politics.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:00 PM (GsoHv)

262 The best solution, I think, is to unleash the T-virus.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 13, 2012 12:00 PM (DuH+r)

263 249 If babies could vote, liberals would be pro-life.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 11:57 AM (1wlKa)

Unborn ones?

Posted by: Closing Time at November 13, 2012 12:01 PM (1crPI)

264 Then we go through a period of economic stagnation. Big deal. The Constitution of the United States of America was not designed to implement an economic program, but to allow the people of this country to govern themselves in the manner they desire. We've now chosen statism.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 12:01 PM (dZ756)

265 “We’re a populist party and we’ve got to make that clear going forward,” he said........

Well, that there's just funny! He's been down in Huey Long the Kingfish country too long.
Bobby's just working on his creds' now. Here's a tip Bobby - no matter how much you go Left, they will crucify you if you go on the National stage and open your pie-hole. Dusky complexion notwithstanding. Get a clue.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2012 12:01 PM (BoE3Z)

266 Bears repeating from the thread below, Barry brags to one of the stars of "Homeland" that he "pretends to work" while watching the show.

http://tinyurl.com/allaumr

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 13, 2012 12:01 PM (UOM48)

267 250 Hobojerky,

Really?

Ok were I not bothered by anonymity issues from wife I'd post pics of my reciepts for donating.

The "populist GOP" gets reps that help their cause off my donations to the RNC to whatever degree.

I'd have rather spent the 6 grand or so making a theme park for dogs this cycle.

Like I said i quit.

Make money nationally be patriotic locally.

This gun's retired.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:01 PM (LRFds)

268 We could try outright racism. Maybe that will work?

Posted by: Closing Time at November 13, 2012 12:02 PM (1crPI)

269 Without so-cons we get 20-30% of the vote tops. So-cons get bashed on the internet because the internet attracts unemployed, socially repulsive, vagina-repellent, aspie retards -- about the worst group of people to take advice on political matters.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 13, 2012 12:02 PM (ZPrif)

270 What still baffles me about this election cycle...

There was NO GOP outcry against the UnConstitutional Acts of Obama... NO outcry agianst his selective Enforcment of the Law... No outcry about how YEARS later they still won't come clean on Fast and Furious, and NOW Obama wants Holder to stay as Attorney General? AFTER he was Impeached?

The Republicans should have attacked on the idea of.... oh... DEFENDING THE REPUBLIC?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 12:02 PM (lZBBB)

271 All these "what should the GOP do" pontifications are exactly why the country is permanently screwed. The is only one thing to do and that thing is nothing. Don't increase the borrowing limit, don't pass a single spending bill until the last one they passed comes up for a vote in the Senate.

These morons think they won't be voted out in two years no matter what they do. The game is over - shut it down now, and with any luck the dems will so blatantly break the law trying to get around us (I say "us", but I'm a Libertarian who votes logically for the republican at this time).

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 12:03 PM (2t6Gz)

272 Sven you can quit. That's fine. Just don't expect me to be impressed.

Now why are you here again?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 13, 2012 12:03 PM (xAtAj)

273 259 Thorvald,

Amen we are not a nation and have not been one since at least election 2000 and perhaps 1968.

Time to move on and take care of my people since I will be as loyal to blue america as they were to us.

Thorvald we'll be ok.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:03 PM (LRFds)

274 We put farmers in the free shit army camp we're done.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 11:54 AM (LRFds)

He's been basically saying the opposite.

We talk about ending tax breaks for Hollywood types because they vote Dem. Remember, these studios are businesses, so as a default as the GOP our attitude is: "Hey, the provide a good and service for society, they provide jobs and create secondary economic activity, we should not burden them.

But they increasingly take advantage of our regulatory system. You have companies like Amazon that can lobby Congress to get special online tax rules just for them.

Why should we defend that any longer, when we dinged on both the right and the left for that?

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 12:03 PM (i3OIF)

275 272 HJ,

watching you lead us to the promised land where you out freeshit the donks.

Get with it.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:04 PM (LRFds)

276 Well, I'm rich, dammit, and I fully intend to keep my "toys." Also, my house.

Not being the party that protects the rich means platform planks that support redistribution. We have a party like that already. To protect the poor man's rights, you pretty much have to protect the rich man's, too. The Whigs were the "party of property" and that did them just fine with both rich and poor property-holders, until some of that property turned out to be human, and that broke up the party.

Know who got the GOP into the national education business? Rooootherford B. Hayes, that's who. Is there a way to transfer funds to a parallel education system of any kind whatever, that does not involve the appearance of cutting funding to the substandard government schools? I say there is not, and yes, they will notice.


Posted by: comatus at November 13, 2012 12:04 PM (qaVK+)

277 CJ -- This is just one of the reasons I advocate putting Ed Morrissey out to pasture. To him, politics is a friggin' game, a contest you "win" by twisting your message to appeal to the people whose ideas are found in polls.

McScribbler, once we get done taking all of the traitors out back and putting a bullet in their skulls, we won't have many advocates. Did you read what he said, or just the headline? (Which I often do.)

The gist is what I've been saying: how long must we wait to secure the freaking border? Because the plan around here seems to be: Wait until have total control of government - White House, House, fillibuster-proof Senate - and then we can do everything we want without having to compromise.

That's the plan right? Hold out for four more years and win total control, right? That's seems like a huge bet. And in the meantime, millions of future Democrats are entering the country.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 12:04 PM (9KqcB)

278 "...when the Presidential Candidate is
silent on those issues, you're going to get people like Akin and
Mourdock."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 11:58 AM (8y9MW)

Yes, and then the national party is defined by a fucking retard.

The Democrats never let that happen because they are much better at controlling their own narrative and whipping each other into line.

That's why they win.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:04 PM (GsoHv)

279
We seem to have some extremely stupid people here. Allowing the dollars to follow the child means that states would fund the education of the kid, no matter what school they attended, including Christian schools, home schooling fees, etc. It would give parents a choice (which Democrats claim to support) on where, and how, their children were educated.
But that is not a new idea. Rick Perry proposed it five years ago. Jindal took the idea from him.
Now, for all you who think it is a crazy idea, let me ask you this: if you were given $12,000 a year to pay for your child's education, would you subject them to a teacher's union run, revisionist, far left education or would you actually send them to a school that met your needs and the needs of your child and take away the influence of the union goons who wind up in rubber rooms?

Posted by: zane at November 13, 2012 12:04 PM (Arbdx)

280 On the intelligence comment- Understand he is talking to Politico here, he is not going to say the voters were stupid in reelecting Obama.

Why not? It's about goddamn time the GOP started taking no prisoners. The voters were stupid and they deserve every bit of ass-raping they get. What's Piyush afraid of? That he won't get an invite to the next Heritage Foundation meeting? That Jonah Goldberg will say something nasty about him?

I'm in the FYLIB camp. Somebody comes to Jindal with a sob story, he should ask, in public, "did you vote for Obama? Yes? Well fuck off, then. Go ask your Chocolate Crackhead for help." When the media swine come after him, shame them publicly - "thanks for the question, Candy. Of course, you were the 'reporter' who covered for Obama when he was lying his ass off during the debates, so you'll understand why I don'tanswer anything you or your propagandanetwork ask. Next!"

Do a town hall - "everybody in here, I'm passing along a piece of paper. I want you all to write down just how much you have in your wallets and purses right now. After that, myassistants will take all that money and divide it equally among all of you here. Oh, you don't like that? Well, if you voted for Obama, you obviously do like it, so it's time to pay up, assholes."
Fuck the left, fuck the media and fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 13, 2012 12:05 PM (zF6Iw)

281 There's a new report making the rounds in the banking industry saying that within 10 years we may be down to 100 or so banks in the U.S. Right now there are over 7,000. Small banks employ hundreds of thousands of people, give a lot of money to local charities, universities, civic groupsand causes,and also lend a lot of money to local entrepreneurs who would not get the time of day from a megabank. Dodd-Frank is running them all out of business. Republicans should be on the right side of this, decrying these results. But guess what, the RNC and the Romney campaign took millions from the big banks and their executives. The big banks want the competition eliminated. They are not the friends of the people and the Republican Party should not be their friends. And I say this as an employee of a semi-big bank that will be one of the 100 that survive.

Jindal is very right about this. He's a popular Republican governor in a state that has rarely elected Republicans statewide even while voting GOP nationally. We need to listen to people like him.

Posted by: rockmom at November 13, 2012 12:05 PM (NYnoe)

282 The GOP and conservatives use to be the party of ideas and innovation.

Sorry - we do not need ideas and innovations in government policy - we need good old small government with as few ideas and new policies as possible.

Unfortunately, that's no longer what a majority wants. They don't want to earn their own way. We know that won't work, but failure is probably the only way to convince the majority that big government does not solve problems - or make our standard of living better. It creates problems, and lowers the standard of living.

Posted by: A One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at November 13, 2012 12:05 PM (eMtQ2)

283 270
What still baffles me about this election cycle...


There was NO GOP outcry against the UnConstitutional Acts of
Obama... NO outcry agianst his selective Enforcment of the Law...
The Republicans should have attacked on the idea of.... oh... DEFENDING THE REPUBLIC?

Posted by: Romeo13

The same Republicans who support Homeland Security and the TSA, or different Republicans?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 12:05 PM (dZ756)

284 If Todd Aiken had not been a jackass and had dropped out when asked....what would the situation be right now?

Would the war on women have ended up being effective?

Did Todd Aiken cost the country the repeal of obamacare, the presidencey and the furture of this nation?

What does Todd Aiken have to say for his stupid ass self now?

What did the lord tell him to do in his nightly commune?

Is it wrong to wish that he get cancer of the colon and spend the rest of his life bleeding out of his burning inflamed asshole?

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 12:05 PM (ovpNn)

285 We all know that you take a young, urban, single woman, and the chances are really pretty good that she is a psycho-bitch Commie babe. Apparently, there are male analogs to these P-BCBs, living, breathing pinheads who not only would seed a bitch knowing she'd probably abort, but who'd probably drive her to the clinic. These males are not men in any meaningful sense.
Right, you're celibate in the sense that you don't have any sexual contact with sexually mature human females. Right.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 13, 2012 12:05 PM (1V6Pv)

286 "More rampant self-delusion. "The moderate they selected"?"

Here's the pot calling the kettle black. You think Mitt was a SoCon candidate? Who voted for him if not moderates?

Okay torque. The reason Mitt Romney, hero of Mankind, lost is that a guy in a Senate race we all told to resign said something stupid. The only solution is to have a tribunal of FiscCons vet every SoCon before they are allowed to speak.

Mitt Romney is blameless and our problem is abortion, the issue we should jettison and then the Media and everybody would love us.l and magically stop wanting free shit.

Am I not self-deluded now?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:05 PM (uhAkr)

287 274 Nate,

Nate were i still bothered at the prospect of trying to save the old dead lady I'd be right there with you from a purely philosophical standpoint I agree.

Fact is EPA tried to kill farms with horsefuck dust is pollution rules and I want a breadbasket when the implosion happens.

Farmers are the most powerful people in America whether they know it or not.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:06 PM (LRFds)

288 Waiting for the sellout on the debt ceiling... or as the media will call it "The BFD of 2012." Followed by a big drop around Jan 2013 as the numbers for the holidays are extremely shitty.

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 13, 2012 12:06 PM (UZQM8)

289 >>unemployed, socially repulsive, vagina-repellent, aspie retards

You're wouldn't be talking about me if you weren't jealous.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (SDkq3)

290 I am going to bet that I am not the only one who sees your name and immediately skips over the comment.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 11:43 AM (GsoHv)

I bet i am not the only one who doesn't give two shits about what you think.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (ovpNn)

291 With just a few words any candidate, no matter how pure on the abortion issue (except for the lunatics) can diffuse criticism by saying that it is a personal moral view, and that it is not an issue for politics.
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How does denying someone the right to life not rate as a political issue?

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (5H6zj)

292
Jindal was less forthcoming on immigration reform. He said the border needed to be secured but dodged repeated questions about whether he supports giving those in the country illegally a path to permanent residence or wants them deported.




Squirmy....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (kdS6q)

293 What does aspie mean?

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (NIZHJ)

294 Why can't we blame Bush in campaigns?
"Just like Bush spent money we don't have and the economy suffered, Obama is spending money we don't have with similiar results."

Posted by: Nat at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (Ii3Nc)

295 Writing off all of the 47% is a bad idea. Not all of them are food stamp and welfare moochers. That 47% contains a lot of retired elderly folks, and a lot of working families whose child tax credits cancel out their tax burden. A working family taking child tax credits might actually be winnable for the GOP, but instead Republicans spew venom at them.

Posted by: Angusmc at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (I5ebA)

296 283 SFGoth,

well at least we didn't descend into hypocrisy like the left and their bleating at Bush as tyrant...

this benghazi thing and the prison...you do get he is a stalinist barack W bush on civil liberty yes?

Literally everything they shat the nation over they embrace now.

they are not citizens in the way we are....

it is a football game to them and we are the raiders for their chargers or vice versa.

I am not allowing them to drag me their way so i quit.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:08 PM (LRFds)

297
I have no clue as to how to accomplish this. Anyone...
Posted by: John at November 13, 2012 11:59 AM (PnW5k)


Our message is getting out just fine. It has simply been rejected by the populace. Thing is, it always has been rejected by the populace. It's just now that the populace is finally voting in large enough numbers to reject our message at the polls.

Posted by: Closing Time at November 13, 2012 12:08 PM (1crPI)

298 IT DOES NOT MATTER that the Obama administration is a sucker of big bank cock while funneling taxpayer money to campaign bundlers and favored corporations. It's the truth, but the truth won't swing votes if the perception remains that the Dems are for the "little guy" and the GOP is for "the rich".

Not while the GOP keeps nominating guys who will never ever hit the democrats on sucking bank cock, lest the bankers get offended and withdraw their cock, because they plan on doing the same thing.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:08 PM (TULs6)

299 Posted by: Thorvald at November 13, 2012 12:00 PM (1V6Pv)

This. Times eleventy.

Posted by: blue star at November 13, 2012 12:08 PM (rmdRH)

300 Promise to do everything the Democrats do plus double it. Then blame them when it doesn't pass.

Posted by: Master of the Obvious at November 13, 2012 12:08 PM (mka2b)

301
Okay.
I read what Jindal said.
Then I reread it.
Still a little confused by what he meant there...

But I never did buy into the "Too Big To Fail" thing.
That is not a conservative idea.
Nothing...I repeat...nothing, is too big to fail...not even the government.

It is the 'big businesses' that the Unions love, because they are easily unionized.
It is the 'big businesses' that the Dems love...because they pay the most in Employer Taxes such as SocSec/Medicare.

The Dems may demonize 'big business' but they are no friend to 'small business'.

The Dems don't want people to be Independent.
Owning your own small business makes you less dependent, and more of a rebel.
This is why everything that the Dems do, is against small business and against entrepreneurship.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 12:09 PM (ICEh3)

302 >With just a few words any candidate, no matter how pure on the abortion
issue (except for the lunatics) can diffuse criticism by saying that it
is a personal moral view, and that it is not an issue for politics.



and we have to address the 10s of 1000s of idiots who think that overturning Roe v Wade would outlaw abortion

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:09 PM (8sCoq)

303 Dis damn fone ain't workin'! Whada hell?! Romney sucks!

Posted by: Obama Fone! at November 13, 2012 12:09 PM (ypzqs)

304 I'm thinking this thread is dead as Michael Moore's cock.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2012 12:10 PM (BoE3Z)

305 Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 12:05 PM (dZ756)

My point, exactly....

The Repubs did not learn from the 2008 OR 2010 Elections cycles.

The Party needs to shift from just paying Lip Service to Liberty and Small Government.... to actualy SUPPORTING Liberty and Small Government.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 12:10 PM (lZBBB)

306 I disagree with Jindal a little. He made it sound like the Dems were good at demonizing the GOP and that was the main thing. Mainly, the GOP is good at destroying itself. It's not like the current electorate is out there just waiting to pull the handle for the GOP, but oh my Obama just swooped down with some dirt to fling on the GOP brand. The GOP brand IS dirty and tarnished already.

It was more what the GOP did to itself, combined with the dumb electorate and the people who didn't want to lose their Santa Claus.

And Jindal is wrong about the current state of the American people. They are stupid and lazy.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:10 PM (zpqa2)

307 Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (NIZHJ)

Aspergers?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:10 PM (GsoHv)

308 Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 13, 2012 11:51 AM (cVfX0)

I value your voice here. It is one of sanity.

231 >> So what's the big plan, then? How do you purge all those so-con reactionaries?

Well, for one thing you could rip that outlaw abortion plank out of the GOP Party platform and beat them with it.

By that, I mean we don't have to give in to the most extreme wishes of our farthest right.

You want to know some relatively recent planks pulled from the Dem platform? Outlawing guns. Outlawing the death penalty.

And their party has prospered in doing so.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 13, 2012 12:10 PM (ccXZP)

309 The mistake most conservatives are making is that the 'war on women' meme underlined the right's often questionable stance on individual freedom and liberty. iow the right heard 'war on women,' andtreated the very idea asbeing ridiculous, while everyone else heard, 'the right is attacking freedom and liberty.'Plus, in the right's derisive response to the meme, other Americansunderstood your responseto proclaim that, 'freedom and liberty is ridiculous.'
As with many other issues, you saw the headline ...and completely overlooked the sub-text. Many of the left's attacks have that sub-text,a sub-textwhich implies that the right is against individual freedom and personal liberty. Instead of addressing the bottomline, the sub-text, you attack the headline, all too often offering solutions which further limit individual freedom and personal liberty, when you're not unintentionally dismissing freedom and liberty entirely. Combine this mistake on your partwith the left's offer of free stuff from the government ('we'll give you free stuff and more freedom!')...
wrt many issues, you're almost completely blind to the underlying realities...and the left is taking ruthless advantage of your blindness. To use a boxing analogy, you always see the left handed jab, but you never see theoverhand righttheleft jabis setting up.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 13, 2012 12:10 PM (WwR1j)

310 So many quarterbacks, so little time.

Posted by: Monday, 11:42am at November 13, 2012 12:10 PM (Qxdfp)

311 I can only laugh.
What is so hard to understand that no matter what we say or do to pander, these people will NEVER vote for us. In fact the more our GOP "leaders" cave the more these groups laugh at us. We just look stupid and weak.

Posted by: Spypeach at November 13, 2012 12:11 PM (pwTow)

312
"Look, first off, Republicans need the Social Conservative wing of the
party. They outnumber the independents. If you jettison them, you'll
never win. Get over it. Move on."

Who is arguing to "jettison" the socons?

I've said repeatedly that they are an important and valued part of the big tent.

But nutty socon gaffes about rape, God and abortions are damaging the rest of the party and costing us elections. That part has to stop. It. Has. To. Stop.

It is possible to state socon positions in a way that is not nutty. With a carefully worded, impeccably practiced, poll tested message strategy. Unfortunately, the socon bloc are totally failing that in favor of blurting out whatever crosses their minds extemporaneously.

There's an old comedy sketch about an airhead actress reeling off a long list of thanks on stage at a Hollywood awards ceremony: "I'd like to thank God, and my agent, and my director, and my co-stars, and my parents, and Hitler."

She gets offstage and her agent is shaking in his shoes. She says, "I thought that went well."

He's flabbergasted. "You thanked Hitler!"

She says, "What? What are you talking about?"

"YOU THANKED HITLER!!!"

That's what this comes down to. Stop doing the equivalent of thanking Hitler. Stop saying stupid shit about magic rape sperm detectors. Stop saying rape pregnancies are something that "God intended". Is that too hard to do?

Maybe so.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 12:11 PM (ymG7s)

313 Personally, I'm stuck on SMOD. But willing to entertain the Mayan Apocalypse.

Posted by: jakeman at November 13, 2012 12:11 PM (96M6e)

314 "How does denying someone the right to life not rate as a political issue?"

These guys don't give a shit. They just want low taxes and they think saying babykilling is okay will guarantee that.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:11 PM (uhAkr)

315 Republicans will only begin to win big again when they speak the truth without regard to what the Obamatons and the low-T potheads think or say.
In fact, we have to do that no matter what. A national economy is not a magic gin where the takers magically receive more than the producers make over the long run.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (1V6Pv)

316
Jindal said he didn’t want to see tax rate increases but called for broad tax reform to rid the code of loopholes and make it fairer for more Americans.

“Depending on the other reforms that are made, certainly I’d be open to the idea of having more deductions, credits available to lower-income [filers],” he said.




Yep, because the problem is the dependent 47% are paying too much in income taxes. Also, remember kids, we're not raising taxes, we're "closing loopholes".

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (kdS6q)

317 Well there are people looking for jobs in politics and leaders looking to keep America strong.

I see no leaders in the GOP. Until there is a party that stands for what it says I will keep my vote in my pocket. I said it before...I have one grandson and his parents voted for Obama....let them have that type of a world. Free Stuff instead of Freedom.

Posted by: Mekan at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (hm8tW)

318 We put farmers in the free shit army camp we're done.

FFS farmers are preening welfare queens.

Giant conglomerates likeADM profit billions a year (yeah, so what?) and get hundreds of millions in subsidies for it (that's what). Free Shit Army 24/7/365.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (TULs6)

319 That 47% contains a lot of retired elderly folks, and a lot of working families whose child tax credits cancel out their tax burden. A working family taking child tax credits might actually be winnable for the GOP, but instead Republicans spew venom at them.
----
I'm for NO ONE paying income taxes. Short of that, the system should be reversed. The more you make, the less you should have to pay. And I'm semi poor.

The cash flow and employment you generate is doing more than your fair share, but ideally no one should pay income tax.

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (2t6Gz)

320 And even if we did we'd still lose. Less people are getting married. More children are born out if wedlock. Unless we can get the bastard vote, which we can't without changing the name of the Republican Party to the Democratic Party, we're sunk.
Posted by: Closing Time at November 13, 2012 11:59 AM (1crPI)

Which is why I've been saying we need to get off our asses in between elections and do what the Left has done to alter America: fight the cultural battles. The real ones, not gay marriage. If you don't want to do it for the country, do it for purely partisan reasons.

If we own the married vote, which includes Hispanics, and the eventually-to-marry-but-now-single vote, we have a shot at winning without sacrificing principle.

It's been said here before, the elections are now between the Makers and Takers. We need to own the Makers vote. We should own it, easily.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (9KqcB)

321 Violence, and only violence, will win new adherents to the cause. People will vote for their stuff, but will kill for their ideology. Hasta La Victoria!

I shall see you again in Valhalla, where we will drink the blood of the conquered.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (Ec6wH)

322 also, it's only been a week since The Big Suck. Let's give the political science beancounters some time to sift through the numbers and identify real trends. It really has been a circular firing squad since last wednesday morning. cease fire.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (8sCoq)

323 Lemme make something perfectly clear, my marriage trumps any and everything else. While I may enjoy looking at boobs (who the hell doesn't?), it has no bearing on my view of marriage or my fidelity. I stood before God, family and friends and swore to love, honor and cherish my wife NO MATTER WHAT. And I fucking meant every word of it. If, somehow, I've given the impression that anything less than that is the case, I apologize and hope this sets that damn record straight.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 11:47 AM (da5Wo)


Oi. I know that now, and I wasn't trying to be offensive. I also wasn't trying to imply thatI hadthought you were not faithful to your wife per se- it is just that most married men I know do not openly speak of their admiration for women other than their wives, and given your proclivity for doing just that I sort of figured that you had the rather casual attitude towards marriage that most American have today. I wasn't thinking that you yourself would cheat on your wife, but your defense of the sanctity of someone else's vows - of marriage in the abstract - was a bit of a pleasant surprise.

The only reason I mentioned it was because I was going to be criticizing some other folks andI wanted to say something positive first.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (aJahi)

324 How does denying someone the right to life not rate as a political issue?

It is a political issue. For the States. Notice that each State even has its own laws regarding murder- which is also "denying someone the right to life."

My point is this: in some places, with some demographics, being against abortion is a losing issue. It is a much, much smaller group with which it would be a losing issue to say, "Take it up in your state, leave the US Congress out of it."

So that's what we say. "This is a State issue. To the extent we want the US Government to do anything about it, we simply want to return it where it belongs- to the States."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (8y9MW)

325 Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:09 PM (8sCoq)

Oh, I won't argue that they are anything more than idiots. But if our politicians would finally figure out how to shut the fuck up about abortion, then those idiots wouldn't put on their puppet heads and march in the streets in support of taxpayer-funded 38th week abortions.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (GsoHv)

326 Farmers have been in the Free Shit camp for 50+ years.

Why do you think we do the Ethanol scam?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 13, 2012 12:14 PM (ZPrif)

327 The Dems have the bastard vote. There are far more bastards now.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:14 PM (NIZHJ)

328 318 Entropy,

Yup drive them hard into FSA camp politically and we're done.

I am in a transitory state.

Just ignore me.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:14 PM (LRFds)

329 Cornucopia of SMOD

http://tinyurl.com/bkrjfwh

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:14 PM (8sCoq)

330 Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (TULs6)

That's one of Jindal's points.

And he is correct, and it should end.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:15 PM (GsoHv)

331 Who is arguing to "jettison" the socons?

Umm... several here in the thread.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:15 PM (8y9MW)

332 But they increasingly take advantage of our regulatory system. You have
companies like Amazon that can lobby Congress to get special online tax
rules just for them.


=============


When you have Jamie Gorelick on your board....the sky's the limit!!!!!

Posted by: Tami at November 13, 2012 12:15 PM (X6akg)

333
If I had to give a reason why Romney lost I'd say it was because the country hates Obamacare, and Romney said "Repeal and replace." That sounded like "No hope, No Change." And vote fraud. Lots and lots of vote fraud.
If the GOP won't demand voting integrity we're done. There hasn't been a Republican mayor in Chicago in almost 80 years.Welcome to the United States of Chicago.

Posted by: Pessimism, it's what's for dinner at November 13, 2012 12:15 PM (qSHLd)

334 Yep, because the problem is the dependent 47% are paying too much in income taxes. Also, remember kids, we're not raising taxes, we're "closing loopholes".

So your plan is, instead of running on making sure rich people don't cheat on their taxes and end up paying less than poor people, and enacts a conservative flat tax reform, I dunno, what? Run a guy who pays 15% on his taxes, hides money in the Caymens, and runs on cutting the corporate tax rate instead?
Ohhh, GOOD fucking idea there. We don't want to be popular, being popular is too icky for us. Poor people might actually vote for us if we did that, and then we'd be soiled.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:16 PM (TULs6)

335 certainly I’d be open to the idea of having more deductions, credits available to lower-income [filers],”

?

Our new motto: "Just Deduct It From Zero!"

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 12:16 PM (FcR7P)

336 331 Allen G,

quite and I will no more be part of an immoral low tax party than a feigned moral marxist one.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:16 PM (LRFds)

337 It is a political issue. For the States.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (8y9MW)

Apparently this is too complex an idea for many people.

Doesn't anyone read the fucking Constitution and actually understand it?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:16 PM (GsoHv)

338 If 4 years of destruction by a Marxist SCOAMF (http://tinyurl.com/a9hef75) wasn't enough to convince this country that he should be kicked to the curb, nothing will. Face it, the douche bags who voted for Obama are a combination of union pukes, liberal effetes, and minority "gimmiedats" who prefer a welfare check and food stamps over employment. The independents who can't make up their minds, have been on the goddamned fence so long, it's permanently attached to their asses. This is what America has become. It is no longer a strong economic and foreign policy force in the world. Obama will finish trampling this country into unrecognizable pulp. I miss America already.

Posted by: SFC MAC at November 13, 2012 12:17 PM (TLbgU)

339 It's time to drop this meme about having the utmost faith in the American people. That is obviously horseshit in 2012.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:17 PM (zpqa2)

340
Dis damn fone ain't workin'! Whada hell?! Romney sucks!

Posted by: Obama Fone! at November 13, 2012 12:09 PM (ypzqs)



That's a big part of the problem. No matter how big of a clusterfuck the government program is it's never the program/bureaucrats/Democrats fault. It's the taxpayers are greedy and don't want to help "the poor"

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 13, 2012 12:17 PM (1Jaio)

341 Everything spectator dot org put up today is worth your time.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 13, 2012 12:17 PM (1V6Pv)

342 When Romney was asked what loopholes he wanted to cut to even out the rate decrease, he could have gone after corporate welfare. He could have gone after tax shelters for millionaires and he could have gone after special tax breaks for hollywood billionaires.

Or, he could do what he did, not specify anything at all and just ask people to trust him, because Obama sucks, and say 'jobs' 15 times in 2 minutes.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:17 PM (TULs6)

343 Romney made the same mistake Kerry did. Romney thought it was enough to simply be "Not Bush" and that would get him into office. Romney thought, as did most Republicans, that simply being the opposite of Obama was enough.

Posted by: Crom at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (1WKq7)

344 Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (2t6Gz)

The key is Why have a Tax.... is it to raise money for needed Government services? or for Social Engineering...

Take... oh... the Dependent Credit. You have 4 Kids, who all go to school and use Government services... you have MORE than 5 times the Societal Cost of me, as a single Person.... yet YOU pay significantly LESS in Taxes?

Or, the way the House deduction is STRUCTURED. It gives you a break on the INTEREST you pay... not on the House itself... Its a big sloppy kiss for BANKS, not for home owners...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (lZBBB)

345 "Mitt Romney is blameless and our problem is abortion"

It's amazing how a statement like "nutty sounding socon rhetoric on abortion is losing elections for us" can get parsed by some people as "abortion is losing elections for us".

This party has won Presidential elections before with hardline anti-abortion stances in the party platform.

But what we DID NOT have in those winning cycles were logorrhoeic socons babbling about how rape induced pregnancies must not be "legitimate rape" and must be something "God intended".

Seriously. It's not the abortion issue so much as it is the completely bughouse nuts comments _about_ abortion that is killing the GOP.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (ymG7s)

346 337 CBD,

No I don;t think so....

part of how I wound up being a flamethrower in the Akin wars despite being prolife.

The fucking media takes the very sane approach obama is now embracing on gay marriage and kills us with it on abortion.

Roe dies and states make the law we just killed abortion?

Um no we let the states control state business.

Fuck this I need to throw up.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (LRFds)

347
293 What does aspie mean?
Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (NIZHJ)


Folks with Aspergers Syndrome - a mild form of autism. It is currently popular, both as a diagnosis and as an insult by those who get their information in it from Hollywood.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (aJahi)

348 "It is possible to state socon positions in a way that is not nutty. With a carefully worded, impeccably practiced, poll tested message strategy. Unfortunately, the socon bloc are totally failing that in favor of blurting out whatever crosses their minds extemporaneously."

See, I think this is painting with a broad brush. There are SoCons who know how to speak. They don't get reported on by the media.

The solution to the problem is to engage on our platform, not run away from it.

Most importantly, we must attack them.

The Akin debacle could be diffused best by running ads about late-term abortion and Kernit Gosnell.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (uhAkr)

349 OT Anyone got the cliffs notes version of the McAffee guys jihad?

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (NIZHJ)

350 But if our politicians would finally figure out how to shut the fuck up about abortion

This.

"I believe in the sanctity of innocent human life."

End.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 13, 2012 12:19 PM (B+qrE)

351 One advantage the far left has is that all their constituencies can fit together into one unified effort. Whether it’s unions, race hustlers, greenies, euthanasia practitioners, irreligionists, food policeor sex criminals, they can all support massive increases in the size and power of government and its corollary, forcing as many people as possible into dependence on government at as early an age as possible. The less-left party , being scared to seem “extreme”, just sells itself as being 15% less extreme than the more-left party.The less-left party has advocates for each of three main principles, but no one who really unites those principles into a coherent vision and too often folks who support one pillar barely tolerate one of the other pillars.

My bosses each consider themselves to be conservative Republicans, but whenever there’s a chance to grab government money, they take it. Principles get sold out too easily. The bogeys have discipline: they won’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t toe the line 100% (see Bob Casey). Vice sells whether it’s advertising tires or policies.

Posted by: DenverGregg at November 13, 2012 12:19 PM (5tPx9)

352 Romney thought, as did most Republicans, that simply being the opposite of Obama was enough.


Posted by: Crom at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (1WKq7)

It should have been, after everything Obama's done. But the allure of Free Shit is a powerful thing.

Posted by: blue star at November 13, 2012 12:19 PM (rmdRH)

353 And then, when saying "Obama sux" and "jobs" 15 times in 2 minutes doesn't work, it's apparently because the rest of the electorate is justtoo stupid....

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:19 PM (TULs6)

354 Our new motto: "Just Deduct It From Zero!"

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 12:16 PM (FcR7P)Heh.Everyone should pay some tax. And I mean everyone. The kid who gets $12 withheld from his summer job should have to cough up a small portion of that. 11% or 5%. I don't care. But it should be impossible to receive money at the end of the year.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:19 PM (GsoHv)

355 Farmers have been in the Free Shit camp for 50+ years.

Why do you think we do the Ethanol scam?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 13, 2012 12:14 PM (ZPrif)

Look at every GOP Iowa Caucus.

The candidates dance around the Ethanol issue.

The last candidate I can see who emphatically said that needed to end ironically was McCain in 2000, who got beat good and hard by Bush.

Of course, his tune changed in 08, but he obviously learned that unfortunate lesson.

The idea is that as conservatives we are Free Market, we don't have a true one, and big businesses take advantage of that by using the Government to their advantage.

People see large banks get theirs through the bailouts, and then in economic recession because they are economic illiterate the public thinks "I'm going to get mine".

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 12:19 PM (i3OIF)

356 Welcome to the United States of Chicago.

This does seem like we all now live in the heart of Chicago, Philly, or New York City, doesn't it. Big-city government for the nation.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 12:19 PM (FcR7P)

357 338 SFC Mack,

Ponder trying to start up a movement for the energy states to join with Alberta and/or Canada.

Think a 40 year job mack if need be.

Obammy is trying to steal a quadrillion in shale wealth.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:19 PM (LRFds)

358
"But nutty socon gaffes about rape, God and abortions are damaging the rest of the party and costing us elections. That part has to stop. It. Has. To. Stop."

You. Can't. Stop. People. Thinking. What. They. Think.

I don't know how you think you can "solve" the so-con problem. If you don't throw them out, they're going to be there to cause trouble. You can't chain them in the basement and just let them out on Election Day. Unless you have some re-education camps in mind, it sounds to me like you are proposing that the GOP turn a large percentage of its members into helots, and that's not going to work.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 13, 2012 12:20 PM (FkH4y)

359 Without so-cons we get 20-30% of the vote tops. So-cons get bashed on
the internet because the internet attracts unemployed, socially
repulsive, vagina-repellent, aspie retards -- about the worst group of
people to take advice on political matters.


Know who else is bashing SoCons? Everybody else, and it's not because they're opposed to abortion or gay marriage. Those are still mainstream positions.

The problem isn't that they're socially conservative. There's plenty of room in the GOP for the pro-life contingent; how many GOP presidents and congressional leaders weren't / aren't socially conservative?

The problem is that the hardcore SoCons have become prone to saying stupid shit and whining when God, gays and abortion aren't the top three issues being discussed.

Todd "legitimate rape" Aiken, Michele "tardisil" Bachmann, Rick "contraceptives are Satan pills" Santorum, etc- they're confirming a pre-existing negative stereotype of the GOP. It's costing us.

That may not be an issue in solid red states, but in swing states like CO, OH, NV? Deal killer.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 12:20 PM (SY2Kh)

360 Well, if anything this shows why we lost.

Until we are not willing to circular firing squad on the drop of the hat, how can you expect anyone to believe in a unified message?

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 13, 2012 12:21 PM (HXWlL)

361 here's another idea

in 2014 and going forward, the RSCC and the RCCC need to hold media seminars for candidates. Attendance is mandatory or you don't get RNC money. The seminars would give candidates training on how to NOT SAY STUPID THINGS WHEN CAMERAS ARE RUNNING AND MIKES ARE ON

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:21 PM (8sCoq)

362 "It is a political issue. For the States. "

I tend to believe if a state revoked its laws criminalizing murder the Federal Government would tap them on the shoulder.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:21 PM (uhAkr)

363 347 Grey Fox,

Aspiehood in a legit way is as fun as being a PTSD bearing INTJ.

I have to fight paranoid looking analytical bents daily.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:21 PM (LRFds)

364 Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (LRFds)

Show me where in the Constitution the federal government is granted the power to regulate abortion.

I am not saying that I agree with abortion -- I don't. I am pro-life. But it is a state issue, not a federal one.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:22 PM (GsoHv)

365 Virtue, like safety, is its own reward. Usually in the short term, and most definitely in the infinite term of everlasting life.
Posting the most basic shit like this on a putatively conservative blog isn't even as productive as splitting firewood: you get through a knotty piece and you get bolts for the stove. Here, you just get tired.
Luckily for me (and for you pinhead secprogs) I keep going even when I'm tired.
(Btw, did you see how Mr. Silver's character is resolved in "Skyfall" (2012)?)

Posted by: Thorvald at November 13, 2012 12:22 PM (1V6Pv)

366 @326 Farmers have been in the Free Shit camp for 50+ 150 years.

Plowed that for you, and disked it up too.

Posted by: comatus at November 13, 2012 12:22 PM (qaVK+)

367 362 BL,

probably....

depending on the ethnicities involved.

It sucks like I said during Akinapalooza it is likely the best we can get.

F**k I hate the world.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:22 PM (LRFds)

368 >OT Anyone got the cliffs notes version of the McAffee guys jihad?


Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (NIZHJ)


SOME PEOPLE come into a shitload of money and go nuts

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:22 PM (8sCoq)

369 Since Iowa kicked the Rs in the nuts, can we finally stop kissing the corn mafia's ass?

Posted by: Invictus at November 13, 2012 12:23 PM (OQpzc)

370 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:21 PM (uhAkr)

A murder in NYC might get you 15 years, while the same murder in Texas might get you the chair.

Should the Feds equalize the law across the 50 states?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:23 PM (GsoHv)

371 @364:"I am not saying that I agree with abortion -- I don't. I am pro-life. But it is a state issue, not a federal one."
--

Oh, so then you're for overturning Roe vs. Wade..

YOU EXTREMIST!!!!!!1!!!1111!!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 12:23 PM (Y5I9o)

372 I propose a 30 day moratorium on 'why we lost/what we gotta do now' threads

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:23 PM (8sCoq)

373 364 CBD,

GUY I AGREE WITH YOU!

I am just stating what I have watched my whole political life going back to high school.

How is whether or not Trayvon's lab partner hating african americans a fucking federal matter?

The whole goddamned thing is broken and the breakers are winning.

I am serious I am getting nauseous.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:24 PM (LRFds)

374 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (8y9MW)

Personally, I'd prefer outsourcing those questions to those of us who have to function in the pluralistically moral world and work with these arguments against our enemies (for lack of a better term). You know...advisers who aren't politicians. Yeah, advisers, how do they work. I can spin at least a few of the tenuous SoCon positions into nice digestible soundbytes (or as my Professor says: Turn Foucault back upon them) but people would have to start actually listening .

Problem is the SoCons start mixing up Virtue and Law sometimes which are two separate things. Kicking it to the states won't help. As I said before, I know, I used to be a big SoCon, but then I read some Aristotle.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 12:25 PM (u1Lwt)

375 The kid who gets $12 withheld from his summer job should have to cough up a small portion of that. 11% or 5%.

Everybody hits the real world running. Absolutely love the idea of a flat tax, CBD. That's how I know it will never happen.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 12:25 PM (FcR7P)

376 Yup drive them hard into FSA camp politically and we're done.
There's nothing "driving" about it. They are what they are, and what they are, are members of the Free Shit Army in good standing.

Pretending they are not Free Shit Army doesn't change the fact that they are.

Hint: No it's not differentwhen your people do it.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:26 PM (TULs6)

377 It's time to drop this meme about having the utmost faith in the American people. That is obviously horseshit in 2012.

It's been horseshit for generations now. Adapt or die- you go to war with the electorate you have, not the electorate you want or deserve.

The Free Shit Army didn't suddenly materialize in the last 8 years.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 12:26 PM (SY2Kh)

378 "The problem is that the hardcore SoCons have become prone to saying stupid shit and whining when God, gays and abortion aren't the top three issues being discussed."

I guarantee the media will always find a GOP politician who says something stupid. Human beings say stupid shit.

The question is, how do we respond?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:26 PM (uhAkr)

379 337
It is a political issue. For the States.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (8y9MW)

Apparently this is too complex an idea for many people.

Doesn't anyone read the fucking Constitution and actually understand it?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:16 PM (GsoHv)


Constitution? Racist. Reading? Racist.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 13, 2012 12:26 PM (da5Wo)

380 Let the sex-related issues go. All of them. Abortion, homosexuality, pornography, masturbation, tardisil, contraceptives, all of it. No one has enough moral authority to beat these issues into winners for the GOP, but plenty are stupid enough to turn them into losers.

It should be an easy rule to remember: if it relates to sex, say it's private business and should be treated as such.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 12:27 PM (8/DeP)

381 The left does not understand the concept of the 'role of the Federal government' (or if they do, they ignore it).

This is the core issue of our time. The electorate is also now ignorant of this concept, by-and-large.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:27 PM (zpqa2)

382 Here's what the GOP should do.
F*ck Obama and f*ck Harry Reid.
If they can't do it politically, then do it for love.

Posted by: wth at November 13, 2012 12:27 PM (wAQA5)

383 In the spirit of the last thread, I'm going to waste time tearing apart the physical appearances of men.

Flipping channels, stopped at Blaze for 5 minutes, Stu and Pat are pudgy. Geez, theyve packed it on. Bunkers must be well stocked.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 12:28 PM (0PiQ4)

384 360
"Well, if anything this shows why we lost."--

Know something, You are right. We're just a bullshitting rabble right now. There is no Republican, or "Conservative" consensus. Fight it out, internet warriors. I only wanted limited government, but according to Bobby Jindal, and his ilk, we need to stop talking that shit. If we want to "win". That gets his ass in Washington, I guess. Don't know how that helps us.
So fuck all this noise. Get back to me when someone that really wants to get the State off my back comes forward.
I'm off to do something productive with the day. See you all in the camps, or the Free Shit line.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2012 12:28 PM (BoE3Z)

385 376 Entropy,

hint I am seriously ruminating and deciding over whether to add "and let this nation split asunder" to my prayer list.

I have an easier time getting the keystone XL pipeline to texas to refine if I bring the middle farmbelt with me and New texas needs Water and the great lakes are calling.

In a pure theory sense I have made your arguments in the past.

in a political sense I may need new friends to come along to fuck barry....or maybe I'll just play Xbox 360 and get paid until the labor camps start for the slothful.

Barry and Lt Worf did say in '08 "we gonna make you work"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:29 PM (LRFds)

386 The nation faces Twinkee and Diaper shortage.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:29 PM (NIZHJ)

387 OT Anyone got the cliffs notes version of the McAffee guys jihad?

Bath salts, or components thereof.

Seriously. Consider it fortunate that he didn't eat the guy's face after murdering him.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 12:29 PM (SY2Kh)

388 The problem with Soccons isn't that they push moral issues -- one can be a pro-life atheist (see Nat Hentoff, former NYT jazz critic) -- but that the Soccons push a specific religious dogma as worldly fact, and that turns off a lot of people. That is, it's not just that God (vaguely defined as the deity of Judaism and Christianity) holds abortion to be a sin, but that the Bible is true, the world is some 6,000 years old, the husband dominates the wife, yadda yadda, and the public generally does not want people like that in major office.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 13, 2012 12:29 PM (dZ756)

389 @374:"As I said before, I know, I used to be a big SoCon, but then I read some Aristotle."
--
Way to condescend to practically anyone with an education.

I used to think the GOP was right, but then I read Lenin. Man, that guy is smart. You wingerz could really learn something.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 12:29 PM (Y5I9o)

390 384 Tubal,

now you get it....if the GOP leaves me fuck 'em I ain;t leaving the founding.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (LRFds)

391 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:26 PM (uhAkr)

We stop letting them use the tried and true Foucault emotivistic tactics against us. The guy knew how to drag people to his cause by appealing to emotion over logic, which is exactly what the liberals are doing. Why do you think they latch on to the edge cases for everything.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (u1Lwt)

392 In the spirit of the last thread, I'm going to waste time tearing apart the physical appearances of men.

Silly L., we judge men by how much money they earn!

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (8/DeP)

393 "A murder in NYC might get you 15 years, while the same murder in Texas might get you the chair.

Should the Feds equalize the law across the 50 states?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:23 PM (GsoHv)"

They should all have laws against murder. The federal government has a history of stepping in if the states are acting really stupid.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (uhAkr)

394 So, I guess I'm the only one here who hates the "Too Big To Fail" thing.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (ICEh3)

395 It is the MSM that defines the narrative.
For every idiotic statement by an Akin on the Right there are equally abhorrent statements on the Left. For every Christine O'Donell there is an Alvin Greene.
But the MSM will make sure the GOP idiocies are common knowledge and a Big Scandal.

I do think the GOP has to have a "school" to teach candidates how to frame the MSM-trap issues, but we're still operating at a huge disadvantage.



Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (C8mVl)

396 Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 12:23 PM (Y5I9o)

"I believe in the sanctity of life. And as president (dog catcher -- senator -- representative) I will uphold the law of the land."

Next question?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (GsoHv)

397 "The Free Shit Army didn't suddenly materialize in the last 8 years."

Tipping points are still significant, however. If the FSA tipping point is not acknowledged, we will continue to lose (whereas pre-tip we could still win).

That is the point.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:31 PM (zpqa2)

398 Show me where in the Constitution the federal government is granted the power to regulate abortion.I am not saying that I agree with abortion -- I don't. I am pro-life. But it is a state issue, not a federal one.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:22 PM (GsoHv


Amendment V: No person shall be...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

If the baby is a human, the fifth amendment applies to it as much as to us. If it is not a human, why be pro-life?

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 13, 2012 12:31 PM (aJahi)

399 Captain Whitebread Don't talk like that. It hurts to hear. You need solitude. Silence can be quite healing. We're also wired into the internets all the time. Turn it off for a while and go someplace really quiet and pretty and soak in the natural beauty of landscape. That really does work.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 11:27 AM (0PiQ4)


With all respect, L, that doesn't work. Because the enemy never sleeps.

We want our lives. They want control of our lives.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 13, 2012 12:31 PM (zF6Iw)

400 383 L just l,

you know if wife gets that nice acrobatic pelvic thrust back and then says 'now go toil away in the salt mine for 16 hours to get more" maybe I'll get my abs back?

heh

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:31 PM (LRFds)

401 Wtf Glenn's selling jeans now!!! Dude's really run off the rails. He must be on drugs. Mormons are dumb

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 12:32 PM (0PiQ4)

402 The democrats have stole it, won it and it's theirs.
It is unsustainable and will fail catastrophically and spectacularly.
let the democrats fail on their own.
republicans can stand back and watch, don't cross over to the other side just to be popular with the democrats. If the republicans do cross over then their party will fail along with the dems.
Reps cannot fight state run media. Make your own media.
personally I see the republican party as Dead in the water, if the republican's cannot fight and win an election then the republicans sure as hell cannot fight The US enemies. Either fight the democrats the same way they fight repubs or become dems.
that's your party choice.

Posted by: HEP-T at November 13, 2012 12:32 PM (2BhOs)

403 293 What does aspie mean?
Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:07 PM (NIZHJ)

Aspergers, My daughter has it. It's a mild form of Autism. Devistating to a family but managable.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 12:32 PM (3Y7RV)

404 399 Mary poppins,

which goes back to "let it burn at the national level" and sart getting your local and state to deal with what comes next.

EPA getting off our backs will free a LOT of growth.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:32 PM (LRFds)

405 I wonder if the jeans come with the magical long johns?

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 12:33 PM (0PiQ4)

406 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (uhAkr)

But you accept that there is variation?

So the morning-after pill is outlawed in Oklahoma, but 35th week abortions are fine in California?

It is a nasty little mess, and the less said about it during campaigns the better off we will be.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:33 PM (GsoHv)

407 Some of you guys sound just like the people who were demanding that the Republican Party attack Obama as an America-hating Marxist. Now you want Republicans to attack the voters who voted for Obama, and just give up trying to win back any of them. You think everyone that voted for Obama was either bought off, brainwashed, or irredeemedly stupid. That implies the Republican Party candidate and message were A-OK. Anyone who says "we're doing it wrong" is a sellout, panderer, or has just bought into the MSM propaganda.

The Republican Party has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. And arguably won it in 2004 onlybecause the Democrats picked the worst possible candidate and the Republicans assassinated his character and made him unacceptable. This isn't just about Barack Obama and the "moochers." We have fucked up the last two times when we had power and have got to make some fundamental changes to convince America to give power back to us.

Posted by: rockmom at November 13, 2012 12:33 PM (qE3AR)

408 Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 12:29 PM (Y5I9o)

Meh, I fell victim to my desire to be snarky.
As far as things go, my moral outlook hasn't changed much so in that respect I'm still fairly SoCon-ish actually. Pro-Life, Heteronormative, etc. What's changed is my approach to it. I've realized that ensconcing morality in Law is actually counter productive. It's the "change hearts not laws" trope admittedly, but I think it makes sense. Legislating Morality actually makes people less moral because you end up instilling a fear of punishment rather than a virtuous demeanor. The current SoCon contingent seems to not realize that and instead focuses on "Moar Laws!" It's kinda why I drifted away from that aspect of the party.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 12:33 PM (u1Lwt)

409 Does reloading in the dark, quiet basement count as constructive time for reflection?

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2012 12:35 PM (TjgR9)

410 "I believe in the sanctity of life. And as president (dog catcher -- senator -- representative) I will uphold the law of the land."

Next question?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (GsoHv)

Yep, I wrotw about this before. Any Con who get's a nomination should be sent to an RNC STFU class. Get the story straight and get the party line down, you know, like the winners did.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 12:35 PM (3Y7RV)

411 Large "Mission Accomplished" banners on an aircraft carrier for a Presidential flyin photo-op really worked well too. That's crap Democrats get to do, not us. They get to buzz NYC in a gas guzzling AF-1, not us. There are lots more juxtapostions.

Posted by: torabora at November 13, 2012 12:35 PM (pnL3R)

412 Jindal is a caver. Has been off my radar for some time as a result. But we will sheeple our way into the media and libs telling us who our up and comers are. I do not want to go moderate so that people like Jindal can get elected. We need more conservativism. By that same token, we need to vet our people as well. No more crazies who want to comment on rape or Sharon Angles being instantly gobbled up by guys like Mark Levine. Knee jerk acceptance of a candidate who supports conservative policy but who also has a screw or two loose has cost us big and even downed the good guys that we should still have in office. It is our party. Not the media's, not the left's.

Posted by: giftogab at November 13, 2012 12:36 PM (QW2hm)

413 MPPP

Not meant to be a long term solution. Just to keep the dispirited Captain away from rope and chair in the immediate future

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 12:36 PM (0PiQ4)

414 407 Rockmom,

what nation?

The Blue shat on us for 8 years and betrayed what I was raised to believe were good civic virtues, Bill Ayers is a fucking terrorist and he is a guiding light to the guy in charge.

No RockMom if Obama is Captain America i quit.

I was kissing a corpse they killed it in either 2000 or 1968 but either way if the democrats are the answer I quit.

I will not "moderate" towards them anymore than i already have I feel dirty giving in as much as i did with bush on pills for seniors and shit.

The donks are now at the point they have the levers to turn this nation into THX-1138 w/in 5 years.

I am done let it burn and then sell China charcoal cheap.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:36 PM (LRFds)

415 We will not go silently into the night.

Posted by: Twinkees at November 13, 2012 12:37 PM (NIZHJ)

416 We could have Benake fly over the inner cities heaving money out of the ass end of a C-130. The ghetto rats would worship us after that.
*I denounce myself for that*

Posted by: torabora at November 13, 2012 12:37 PM (pnL3R)

417 The electorate does not want to hear anything that sounds 'intolerant'. Checkmate.

Suffer, electorate.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:37 PM (zpqa2)

418 Posted by: Grey Fox at November 13, 2012 12:31 PM (aJahi)

That's a good argument.

Should Romney have nailed his flag to that mast?

All I'm saying is that the abortion issue is a huge mess, and the less said about during campaigns the better we will do. Unfortunately the media is more than willing to pounce on any abortion comments and blow them up into a national catastrophe.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:37 PM (GsoHv)

419 409 jean,

Yup.

Ammo keeps a long time and a progressive press makes a comforting melody.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:38 PM (LRFds)

420 415We will not go silently into the night.
Posted by: Twinkees at November 13, 2012 12:37 PM (NIZHJ)We already have!

Posted by: giftogab at November 13, 2012 12:38 PM (QW2hm)

421 @396:"Next question?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:30 PM (GsoHv)"
---
Yes, but the point is that your eminently moderate and non-religious reasons for abortion as a state issue and not a federal issue run into the political fact that it requires the overturn of Roe V. Wade.

I've been informed by many wise and judicious commentators at this site that anyone who for any reason, even the most non-religious, attempts to touch that sacred cow will decisively and permanently turn off enough voters that the GOP will never win again.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 12:38 PM (Y5I9o)

422 "The problem is that the hardcore SoCons have become prone to saying
stupid shit and whining when God, gays and abortion aren't the top three
issues being discussed."


And, getting sidetracked.

What did the polls consistently show, from two years ago right up till Election Day exit polls? They showed that far and away the biggest single concern of voters was THE ECONOMY.

We've been here and done that with THE ECONOMY elections. In 1992, polls showed the biggest concern of voters was THE ECONOMY. The Democrats focused on that like a laser. Carville put "It's the economy, stupid!" on the wall at Clinton campaign HQ. Meanwhile, G.H.W. Bush ran as the anti-flag-burning candidate. And lost. There was a message there for the GOP. Don't allow ourselves to get onto side issues in a year when THE ECONOMY is paramount.

So this year, it was obvious that the Democrats did not want to run on THE ECONOMY, because they owned that issue and it was a loser. They instead wanted to run on "war on wimmenz" and Romney supposedly planning to ban abortions, contraceptives, tampons and Hello Kitty coin purses.

What did the GOP do? Bit down on the WoW bullshit hook, line and sinker. Gave false but nevertheless effective substantiation to the Democrats' agitprop.

Instead of ignoring Sandra Fluke, Limbaugh called her "a slut" on a national radio program. I am not a genius about women, but I do know that women in general don't appreciate that term, and frankly, all we know about Fluke is that she wants free contraception, not that she's wildly promiscuous. A huge miscue. She should have been allowed to sink back into obscurity. Limbaugh elevated her to prominence.

That was the start of the wedge being driven in. Then Akin and Mourdock drove it in much, much further.

Young women are as worried about THE ECONOMY as anything else. But they were also receptive to the War On Wimmenz nonsense. The polls showed that. So did the election returns.

Hey, next cycle, let's get distracted again, and run on BOTH anti-flag-burning and on nutty socon rapebortion ideas. Double down!


Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2012 12:38 PM (ymG7s)

423 @380 Blacksheep

Abortion is not a sex issue. It has nothing to do with sex as that has already happened. Abortion is a life issue, as is slavery, Jim Crowe laws, Euthanasia, Murder, Manslaughter.

If you don't believe human cell created at conception is life worth preserving just remember that was said about the Jew, the Black, the Indian, and any OTHER that we found convenient to exploit or kill.

As for sex I say do it on the street, with a car, or sheep. Do it with a man, or a woman, or woman that was a man. Do it by yourself or in a group. Do it on drugs or in poop. You see I really don't care. But if your act produces a child it is your responsibility to care, nurture, and love that child. If you as the creators of the child can't or won't do this let someone else have the chance.

If you believe otherwise please vote on my stupid WH petition to allow abortion up to and including the 26th year of age since that is what our government considers legally a child now.

Posted by: Mekan at November 13, 2012 12:39 PM (hm8tW)

424 We could have Benake fly over the inner cities
heaving money out of the ass end of a C-130. The ghetto rats would
worship us after that.

*I denounce myself for that*

Posted by: torabora at November 13, 2012 12:37 PM (pnL3R)

This would be much cheaper than the programs in place designed to help the same people. But the Dems would want to do both.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:39 PM (zpqa2)

425 What about Allen? Who'd want that? It must be those beautiful uniforms or Kelly and Broadwell aren't having sex with their husbands anymore and are hard up

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 12:39 PM (0PiQ4)

426 What rounds are best for tearing through the blue helmets that many deer are wearing these days?

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:40 PM (NIZHJ)

427 The current SoCon contingent seems to not realize
that and instead focuses on "Moar Laws!" It's kinda why I drifted away
from that aspect of the party.


Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 12:33 PM


The major problem is that the libs have convinced a majority of the voting public that all the things they/we oppose should be paid for by the government. Which means "the rich should pay their fair share" so abortion/contraception/phones -- those things some of us were taught we had to get for ourselves, or be responsible enough not to need -- are free.

Those who gobble up all the Free Shit are slaves, even if they don't know it yet.

Apparently, reality will only rear its ugly head when the country finally slides down the sewer line. We have allowed a nation of addicts to be created, and that is a hard thing to reverse.

I'd like to think someone could present this concept to the Obamafone crowd in a way that would make sense. But then I see Matt Lauer and Brian Williams on teh teevee and realize it ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 12:40 PM (yKUrR)

428 *I denounce myself for that*

Posted by: torabora at November 13, 2012 12:37 PM (pnL3R)


You're probably right though............

http://youtu.be/H_KBjp3YfMo

Posted by: Adam at November 13, 2012 12:40 PM (/YJYi)

429 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 12:35 PM (3Y7RV)

With the addition of a shock collar that you or I control.

Congressman Smith, what is your opinion of the proposed law allowing 39th week abortions of any fetus conceived by rape?

"It is an abominat....[zzzttt! zzzttt!] I believe in the sanctity of life."

Next question?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:41 PM (GsoHv)

430 424 Hannity's Hybrid,

yup they'd have an air show every two or four years and then voila lower the amount they paid the moockers in welfare by the amount they shat and still get thanked.

No the problem is our nation is immoral in a big way and i am done trying to sway the immoral to morality.

If I decide to stick i will be every bit as inner city chicago as barry and be demonized but I think I will wait and work silently and be ready for what comes next.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:41 PM (LRFds)

431 I'm filing an EEOC complaint on Roger Ailes. Fox news babes. Dudes are all ugly duds. Nothing there to look at. Man, all our guys are ugly.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 12:41 PM (0PiQ4)

432 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:41 PM (GsoHv)

LOL, no shit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 12:42 PM (3Y7RV)

433 I tend to believe if a state revoked its laws criminalizing murder the Federal Government would tap them on the shoulder.

Probably. But a) only probably and b) it would still be unconstitutional.

The founders of the constitution put great faith in the People within each state to direct their own affairs. They explicitly stated that any power not expressly granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution, or not expressly denied to the States by the Constitution was within State jurisdiction.

The Federal Government was not given police powers, and those powers were not denied to the States.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:42 PM (8y9MW)

434 >Unfortunately the media is more than willing to pounce on any abortion comments and blow them up into a national catastrophe.



LOOK- the Democrats have a machine in a closet at their national HQ. Every 2 years they wheel it out and plug it in. The machine then starts generating TV commercials about 'tax cuts for the rich' and '(name) wants to outlaw a woman's right to choose' on a 24 hr basis until the polls close.


Gotta beat THAT

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:42 PM (8sCoq)

435 426 butters,

The deer are a lot easier to give customer service to if you aim center mass.

Core-Lokt ammo works fine by remington though.

Nice thing about not being behiolden to the Geneva Convention with regards to deer is ammo choices available.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:43 PM (LRFds)

436 The key is Why have a Tax.... is it to raise money for needed Government services? or for Social Engineering...

Take... oh... the Dependent Credit. You have 4 Kids, who all go to school and use Government services... you have MORE than 5 times the Societal Cost of me, as a single Person.... yet YOU pay significantly LESS in Taxes?

Or, the way the House deduction is STRUCTURED. It gives you a break on the INTEREST you pay... not on the House itself... Its a big sloppy kiss for BANKS, not for home owners...
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2012 12:18 PM (lZBBB)
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Then there's the fact that its no ones business how much money you make. For people that run around hating that illegal aliens have to "show their papers" all of the fake indignation disappears on April 15th.

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 12:43 PM (2t6Gz)

437 The good thing that happened a week ago is it completely changed my mindset. I think that is rippling through our ranks right now. BTW, this is not good news for the GOP...

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:43 PM (zpqa2)

438 The GOP Can't Stay Stuck On Stupid

Challenege accepted

Posted by: The GOP at November 13, 2012 12:43 PM (iEoiA)

439 Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 12:38 PM (Y5I9o)

I think that abortion is a terrible thing, not just for what it does to the unborn children, but what it does to the people. It coarsens our views about the value of life, and that is dangerous.

But.....I will accept abortion if the alternative is full-blown socialist/fascist control of this wonderful nation.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:44 PM (GsoHv)

440 437 Hannity's Hybrid,

might be good news for the Texas whig party...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:44 PM (LRFds)

441 What about Allen? Who'd want that?

My wife.

Oh. Wait. Different Allen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:45 PM (8y9MW)

442 The major problem is that the libs have convinced a majority of the
voting public that all the things they/we oppose should be paid for by
the government. Which means "the rich should pay their fair share" so
abortion/contraception/phones -- those things some of us were taught we
had to get for ourselves, or be responsible enough not to need -- are
free.


MrScribbler,
You're point there is well taken, except slightly too narrow. The Libs have convinced a majority of the voting public that tons of things I agree with in principle should be paid for by government (that I disagree with.) So we have to solve that issue generally. Focusing on the things we disagree with (i.e. abortion.) does us no good anyway. Win the bigger argument and fix the problem write large. I think we have a better shot at winning the argument that Gov't shouldn't pay for everything wholesale than we do of winning the argument that government shouldn't pay for [abortion/birth control/etc.] Why? Dunno, people get sticky about those specifics and they create a mess to defend.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 12:45 PM (u1Lwt)

443 In 08 I held my nose and voted for McCain without voicing any protest. In 12 I threw a tantrum but voted for Mitt anyway. 2012 was billed as our 'last chance'. It was. I and others will not hold our noses again.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:45 PM (zpqa2)

444 Simple question;

How many people do each of us know who SHOULD be natural constituents of the Republicans but hate the GOP, and think the Democrats care about them?

The old crooked lecher Joe Kennedy was right. It's not who you are that counts, it's who people think that you are that matters


Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 12:46 PM (wwsoB)

445 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:42 PM (8y9MW)

What a coincidence! That's the tenth amendment, and your nic says something about a "tenther."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:46 PM (GsoHv)

446 Then there's the fact that its no ones business how much money you make.
For people that run around hating that illegal aliens have to "show
their papers" all of the fake indignation disappears on April 15th.


Did I mention that, if I had a blog, I (would have) posted a piece about the inherent tyranny of direct taxes- especially income taxes?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:46 PM (8y9MW)

447 I'm tired too!

Posted by: Lili Von Shtupp at November 13, 2012 12:47 PM (BAS5M)

448 It's not bad advice as far as it goes. The problem is it fails to attack where we risk the least and gain the most: the media and academia. These are the institutions that define the narrative that produces an electorate capable of believing that Mitt Romney would ban tampons. We need to weaken and dismantle that apparatus. Here is how you do it:

Repeal all digital copyright. This is the funding mechanism of the arts and media establishment. This is the primary messaging engine of the Democratic party. It's not Think Progress or some other Soros-funded wonk shop or even the DNC itself. It is every single news and entertainment conglomerate you can think to name. Their Achilles heal is digital copyright. As it is they spend enormous amounts of energy maintaining their tenuous grip on their intellectual property. They know all too well technology has made it possible to cut them out of the loop entirely. For some reason, Republicans have carried their water on this for years helping to pass monstrosities like the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. They received precious little in return while making a convenient scapegoat for the eyes of the youth vote. Declare all digital works to be in the public domain and their power to shape the political narrative becomes roughly proportional to that of, say, Michelle Malkin. For good measure, reform non-digital copyright to apply for a period of ten years or the life of the creator (whichever is shorter) and then pass into the public domain. Suck it, Disney.



Posted by: Basil Seal at November 13, 2012 12:47 PM (xvN0P)

449 Re - Petraeus and Allen.

With both ISAF commanders involved in sex scandals there is another angle to play.

It absolves Obama of the failure in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 13, 2012 12:47 PM (4nG/u)

450 47 states have submitted secession petitions

at daily caller

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:47 PM (8sCoq)

451 In my little corner of the world, the establishment GOP is under assualt from the unhappy. The libertarian wing is working to form up and take out the stodgy Socons. Not because they don't believe some of the same things but because they FKD away a congressional election by being good back slapping ole boys and girls.

You go to war against the enemy you have, not the enemy you want.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 12:48 PM (3Y7RV)

452
Which is why I've been saying we need to get off our asses in between elections and do what the Left has done to alter America: fight the cultural battles. The real ones, not gay marriage. If you don't want to do it for the country, do it for purely partisan reasons.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 12:12 PM (9KqcB)


There is this constant meme that the "culture" is changing or that the populace has changed its mind. It hasn't. It's just that the populace votes now. You can't change the culture, no one can. It seems like the culture is worse now because the populace matters now, they have money. Everyone has enough money to consume as much entertainment as they want. The poorest among us spend countless hours being entertained by electronic media.

And now these fools vote. They didn't used to. That's the difference. And no amount of effort on the part of conservatives or the GOP is going to convince then to vote GOP.

Our only hope is preventing these people from voting. We can't do that, so it is utterly hopeless.

Just live your life the way you want, but politics is over. The GOP will never win again.

Posted by: Closing Time at November 13, 2012 12:48 PM (1crPI)

453 449 Anna puma,

yup...giggles is running night of the long knives and scrubbing his green on blue fuck ups.

I hate him mroe and more each day and evidently America loves him more and more each day.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:48 PM (LRFds)

454 You can say something like "we need more conservatism" but if I ask you to define conservatism you fuckers will argue into the wee hours of the morn. How can we get more if we don't know what it is? Oh, you think you know! All of you think you know, but none of you agree.

Terms like 'liberal' and 'conservative' are cultural/tribal markers. They have no real meaning to speak of.They have been demagogued to pieces, to mean all things to all people, and all the kings horses and all the kings men cannot put them together again. This is why I am no longer conservative, above all else. To say you want conservative or liberal policy, you may as well say you want more "good" policy and less "bad" policy. Conservatism means upwards not downwards, forwards not backwards, andalways twirling, twirling, twirlingtoward freedom.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:48 PM (TULs6)

455 Maybe Obama will appoint a 'Secession Czar'.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:49 PM (zpqa2)

456 I've gotta tell you that photo shopped Petraeus book cover that got on Denver television made me spit tea all over my computer monitor at work.

That. Was. Epic.

It made my week at my soul sucking job.

Posted by: mpfs at November 13, 2012 12:49 PM (iYbLN)

457 Repeal all digital copyright.

Fuck that noise. The intellectual property I create- whether on my blog, as a book, or a piece of software I develop- is mine. I'm sorry people use it to ends you don't like, but you don't get to take it away from the rest of us.

Something Conservatives have been saying on other arenas for I-can't-even-remember-how-long.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:49 PM (8y9MW)

458 What a coincidence! That's the tenth amendment, and your nic says something about a "tenther."




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:46 PM (GsoHv)


What's the tenth amendment? Is that a new show or a new movie or something? Is it a new twist they're introducing on The Voice?

Posted by: Typical American Voter at November 13, 2012 12:49 PM (/YJYi)

459 We really are the party of old ugly and nerdy. That's why we lose. I was talking to my sister about this and she said she thought Mitt should have talked more about his family to appeal to women. I told her I read somewhere that 40% of children are born out of wedlock. Maybe all of us look at the Romneys and admire their marriage and solid family. A lot of people can't relate to that. Their lives are so fucked up and they say his life is perfect. He can't relate to me. That's why they win the women.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 12:49 PM (0PiQ4)

460 450 Jones in CO,

it won't work this time and bambi will try to ignore it.

I am deciding how I feel about it for next time.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 12:50 PM (LRFds)

461 <i>You mean the voters that thought Mitt Romney was going to outlaw women or something? The "intelligence" of those voters?</i>

No.

He means Akin and Mourdock. The rape twins.

Posted by: Paul A'Barge at November 13, 2012 12:50 PM (KXcGC)

462 >>>the inherent tyranny of direct taxes- especially income taxes?

...or the 3% tax on home sales that they built into Obamacare?
It's not redistribution. No way.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 12:51 PM (TL8Jw)

463 I think we have a better shot at winning the
argument that Gov't shouldn't pay for everything wholesale than we do of
winning the argument that government shouldn't pay for [abortion/birth
control/etc.] Why? Dunno, people get sticky about those specifics and
they create a mess to defend.


Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 12:45 PM


I think your argument was crushed in 1932.

Naturally I narrowed the scope of my point. If We looked into everything from the Oil Depletion Allowance to sugar "price supports" and so on, it would create a mountain of phony "entitlements" to do away with that only a leader with true common sense, vision and concern about the country could unravel.

What is the answer? I don't know, but it sure as hell isn't caving in to the Free Shit Brigade.

I only hope FDR is roasting in Hell right now. He left us a mess that only a treasonous fuckwit like Choom Boy could make worse.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 12:51 PM (yKUrR)

464 He means Akin and Mourdock. The rape twins.
Posted by: Paul A'Barge at November 13, 2012 12:50 PM (KXcGC)

Yep, that bullshit was projected straight to Romney.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 12:51 PM (3Y7RV)

465 It stands to reason that after income taxes are abolished, welfare would follow suit since the ability to prove of poverty would be impossible. So the savings to the treasury would be immediate. Of course, income taxes would never be abolished, so we're doomed.

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 12:51 PM (2t6Gz)

466 >>>With both ISAF commanders involved in sex scandals there is another angle to play. It absolves Obama of the failure in Afghanistan.

Were President Weaseldick's ROE too tight or too loose? Stay tooned.

Posted by: Fritz at November 13, 2012 12:52 PM (/ZZCn)

467 We're at 8%+ unemployment, millions with no jobs, gas prices through the roof, a government telling you what size fucking drink you can have, what light bulbs you can have, what fucking toilets you can have, etc etc fucking etc

Half the people voted as if none of that is happening. Freedom was on the line all across the board and it fell on deaf ears.

There is no way to reach people living with that kind of weapons grade stupid. No.frigging.way. You got the media protecting dem scumbags, and fabricating gaffs for the republicans. You got education churning out little commies. While productive Americans were doing things like working, having 4th of july picnics, waving flags, celebrating our history, and the sacrifice of those who gave it to us, the anti american communist scumbags were infiltrating and spreading cancer throughout the American body.

It needs to burn to the ground with the heat of a 1000 suns.

.

Posted by: Berserker at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (FMbng)

468 There is this constant meme that the "culture"
is changing or that the populace has changed its mind. It hasn't. It's
just that the populace votes now. You can't change the culture, no one
can.

Posted by: Closing Time


Do we visit bath houses and whip our slaves?

No, culture does in fact change. Don't be obtuse.

And now these fools vote. They didn't used to. That's the
difference. And no amount of effort on the part of conservatives or the
GOP is going to convince then to vote GOP.


Hmm, yes, defeatism. That's always a good play.


Just live your life the way you want, but politics is over. The GOP will never win again.Posted by: Closing Time

All this over a 3% loss?

Wow, what would you have said if we lost by, say, 7%?
< cough2008cough >

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (SX6wc)

469
456I've gotta tell you that photo shopped Petraeus book cover that got on Denver television made me spit tea all over my computer monitor at work.

That. Was. Epic.

--------------

I know, mpfs....that was great, wasn't it?
Kudos to whomever did the photoshop.

I'm wondering if it was an "oops" to put it on the air, of it someone did it on purpose.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (ICEh3)

470 Repeal all digital copyright. This is the funding mechanism of the arts and media establishment.

This is well within the reach of the one-third-of-one-half.

Simply defund all federal anti-piracy copyright enforcement and then post a notice to slashdot.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (ogdab)

471 We really are the party of old ugly and nerdy.

Surely you jest. Ever been to any significant public gathering of Democrats?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (vbh31)

472 ...or the 3% tax on home sales that they built into Obamacare?

It's not redistribution. No way.


Certainly any specific indirect tax can also be tyrannical, but they are not inherently so. Direct taxes, however, are taxes either directly on your Right to Life (per-capita taxes) or on your Right to Property , via your labor (income taxes).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (8y9MW)

473 All I'm saying is that the abortion issue is a huge mess, and the less said about during campaigns the better we will do. Unfortunately the media is more than willing to pounce on any abortion comments and blow them up into a national catastrophe.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 12:37 PM (GsoHv)


So, are we arguing tactics or principles? I could easily be persuaded that we need to change tactics, to go for a compromise that will save lives in the short term while laying the foundations for future progress - my big frustration with the pro-life movement is that so many seemso concerned with demonstrating their purity of heart and mind that they lose sight of the end goal of saving lives. That is not whatI am hearing right now, though - whatI am hearing is that conservatives have to ignore avery great evilevil in order to ensure thateveryone has full wallets. Even allowing it to be decided on the state level is adopting the liberal view that it is not a human life - the Bill of Rights applies to the whole country and we do not allow states to decide that slavery, lynch mobs, execution of innocent members of a malefactor's family, and the like are acceptable, so why would be do that for abortion?

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (aJahi)

474 @408:"Legislating Morality actually makes people less moral because you end up instilling a fear of punishment rather than a virtuous demeanor."
--
Ok, yeah. I see your point, and I largely agree.

I just wish more people commenting here would take this kind of persuasive tone instead of, "ERMAGERDS, you're all losers! Leave the party!"

Facing that kind of crap from people who are ostensibly comrades-in-arms against a greater evil only confirms more religious people in the Akin/Santorum kind of public martyrdom that loses elections. But I mean, if even the members of your own coalition for which you consistently vote are turning against you and demanding that you repudiate (not soften, but drop altogether) something you consider a fundamental universal value, then why bother to compromise?

Of course, this is probably similar to how many Liberatarians feel when someone like Huckabee gets catapulted to the front.

Given that there are obviously some deep and totally insurmountable value contradictions between SoCons & Libertarians, the question is: How do we keep together a coalition that is large enough to beat the Dems. I know for many people that answer is "we don't". But I would say that theoretically the answer is "party discipline" (i.e., the "establishment" people who run PR and tell candidates how they should behave during campaigns). The Democrats are VERY disciplined, and when they're not, the media covers for them. We're not disciplined, so we get Akin and the Paulnuts defining us for millions of uninformed voters.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (Y5I9o)

475 Does reloading in the dark, quiet basement count as constructive time for reflection?

Yes.

Just make sure you have enough light. You don't want to accidentally load a 260 grain bullet on a charge measured for a 300 gr round after failing to double check the label.

Which I may or may not have done once.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 12:54 PM (SY2Kh)

476 450: Definition of irony, Vermont is not among them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 13, 2012 12:54 PM (GBXon)

477 So....

I think Ace has been hit with the reality of what a cluster _________ everything is.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 12:54 PM (r2PLg)

478
Good luck with any legislation going forward.

Now that the SCOAMTT and his co-SCOAMTTs know how to put over anything they want on the American people with complete 'piss on your face and say it's raining' impunity, we need to concentrate on taking back the narrative, or dare I call it truth?
How to deal with lying media and how to educate voters should be a major effort.

In our spare time, of course, when we are not working and trying to figure out how best to take care of our families.

Posted by: Justamom at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (Sptt8)

479 Repeal all digital copyright. This is the funding mechanism of the arts and media establishment. This is the primary messaging engine of the Democratic party. It's not Think Progress or some other Soros-funded wonk shop or even the DNC itself. It is every single news and entertainment conglomerate you can think to name. Their Achilles heal is digital copyright. As it is they spend enormous amounts of energy maintaining their tenuous grip on their intellectual property. They know all too well technology has made it possible to cut them out of the loop entirely. For some reason, Republicans have carried their water on this for years helping to pass monstrosities like the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. They received precious little in return while making a convenient scapegoat for the eyes of the youth vote. Declare all digital works to be in the public domain and their power to shape the political narrative becomes roughly proportional to that of, say, Michelle Malkin. For good measure, reform non-digital copyright to apply for a period of ten years or the life of the creator (whichever is shorter) and then pass into the public domain. Suck it, Disney.
Basil 2016.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (TULs6)

480 Lord have mercy! The entire GOP establishment ( the grassroots) pressured Todd Akin to with draw when there was time to do so? Set aside that he was always Claire McCaskill's preferred opponent...
What else could the GOP have done?
And why is it that the Democrats can say all kinds of crazy $hi+ like "revenge" and "put y'all in chains" etc. and they never have to do any soul searching or image changing or moderating.

Posted by: Sam In VA at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (rFiOs)

481 Simply defund all federal anti-piracy copyright enforcement and then post a notice to slashdot.
----
I'm pretty sure copyright enforcement costs are already the responsibility of the holder. I was told that when I bought my trademark.

Posted by: Whatev at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (2t6Gz)

482 Oops- meant a 300 gr bullet loaded on top of a charge measured for a 260 gr bullet. Heavy bullets = less powder.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (SY2Kh)

483 Who the hell let's two first generation Lebanese twins with money problems skirt all around CENTCOM?

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (r2PLg)

484 You can't change the culture, no one can.

Except for the Leftists who significantly and demonstrably changed culture in the 20th century. But no one else can.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (9KqcB)

485 Jindal will never be president.

Not a chance.

There is a thing some of you Jindal fan girlie girls dont want to accept.

Image.

Jindal is all wrong on the image front.

Whether you like it or not, thats his genetics, and no amount of wishcasting is gonna change the fact that most people who are low information voters see that skinny little roasted plucked chicken and hear the deep voice that comes out of that scrawny chicken body and will laugh derisively.

He is not telegenic, and in this day and age, if you arent telegenic you arent going to have a shot.

The media will make him into a joke and the dumbshits that clearly make up more than 47% of this country will buy into it fully.

Some people with a Jindal Dildo up their ass dont want to accept this but oh well. The cold hard reality is that no matter what ideas he has, he will be uncle tom'd via reverse racism identity politics and Urkle'd via his appearance.

You have a better chance with Rubio or a Female candidate of substance if you want to play the identity politics game the dems have mastered.

Hell, you would have a better chance with a female gay muslim hispanic than Jindal.

Actually, that's the ticket. If you really want to beat the democrats at their own game, Find a lesbian Hispanic American who converted to Islam and is still believes in the core principles this country was founded upon and is a registered republican.

I guarantee you will get atleast 5% more of the identity politics vote.

If that doesnt work, promise them free phones, an xbox in every house, and cradle to grave entitlements as far as the eye can see.

Also change the R to a D.



Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (ovpNn)

486 That photoshopped book cover...wow

Remember: Layers and layers of fact-checkers.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (Y5I9o)

487 Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 12:51 PM (yKUrR)

Yeah fair enough point. Having said that, if I were going to start chipping away at FDR's Leviathan I wouldn't start with the culture war issues. I'd grab something else (like Corn subsidies, Obamaphones, etc.) to hitch my wagon too personally.
Again these guys are going to throw every emotion they can to upset our logic, choosing issues particularly vulnerable to that does not help our case.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 12:56 PM (u1Lwt)

488 476 Live free or squirrel.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 12:56 PM (NIZHJ)

489 damn it an apostrophe got all in there.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 12:56 PM (r2PLg)

490 But but but, if politicians can't sell the copyright law in exchange for campaign donations how will they rig their incumbancy in perpituity?

They will find another way. Don't worry about it.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 12:56 PM (TULs6)

491 Repeal all digital copyright. This is the funding mechanism of the
arts and media establishment. This is the primary messaging engine of
the Democratic party.


Translation: I want free shit.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 12:56 PM (SY2Kh)

492 It needs to burn to the ground with the heat of a 1000 suns.


Posted by: Berserker at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM (FMbng)
Agreed. Unreachable (for now). Pain must be felt.Even the horrible economic state right now does not work, due to all the safety nets. The nets have to fail, and they will.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 13, 2012 12:56 PM (zpqa2)

493 Most of those 47 states petitioning for secession are probably those that want bailout $$$$$

There's another petition being sent to Obullshit by student loan debtors. They will return their degrees in exchange for a refund of their tuition

The universities will never give the money back, and Obullshit would never even ask them to. More Free Shit through the back door


Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 12:57 PM (wwsoB)

494 Half the people voted as if none of that is happening. Freedom was on the line all across the board and it fell on deaf ears.

It isn't happening to them, and if it is, they've been assured that you caused it.

"What? Can't hear you, Jay-Z is on!"

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 12:58 PM (FcR7P)

495 On a happy note - 627 union employees are now out of work.

Have a Twinkie and celebrate.


“Our customers will not be affected because we will continue to serve them from other Hostess Brands bakeries, but sadly this action will result in the permanent closure of three facilities and the loss of 627 jobs,” said Gregory Rayburn, Hostess Brands’ chief executive.

Posted by: RWC at November 13, 2012 12:58 PM (fWAjv)

496 Posted by: entropy

I can haz carriage returns?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 12:58 PM (SX6wc)

497 I'm pretty sure copyright enforcement costs are already the responsibility of the holder. I was told that when I bought my trademark.

trademarks aren't copyrights

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/white_collar/ipr/ipr

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 13, 2012 12:58 PM (ogdab)

498 The Ninth Concentric Ring of Dante's Inferno 2016.

Posted by: Yes We Can at November 13, 2012 12:58 PM (NIZHJ)

499 Patents and copyrights were written right into the original Constitution (Art. I, Sect. 8, cl. . The founders knew what they were doing.

IMO, the anti-IP libertarians are misguided. Strong IP protection is an essential part of a rights-driven service economy.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 12:58 PM (8/DeP)

500 Um, that would be clause 8, not clause smiley-face.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 12:59 PM (8/DeP)

501 how long does a frozen twinkie last?

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 12:59 PM (8sCoq)

502
There's another petition being sent to Obullshit by student loan debtors. They will return their degrees in exchange for a refund of their tuition

The universities will never give the money back, and Obullshit would never even ask them to. More Free Shit through the back door


Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 12:57 PM (wwsoB)


Oh, I would love to see that, fuck those Dens of Inequities. You think the kids have figured out the world doesn't pay them to talk, fuck and drink beer?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 12:59 PM (3Y7RV)

503 @485:"Jindal is all wrong on the image front."
--
Yeah, I like Jindal, but he screams Dan Quayle

As for his comments, I guess the establishment has decided that the best way to combat the GOP image problem is to have several prominent Conservatives/Republicans say loudly on record that the GOP is seen as too (white, rich, racist, sexist, etc...).

Um...great. You know what that accomplishes? It gives the Liberals tons of quotes from high GOP officials to twist for low info voters and say, "see, even the Republicans themselves admit that their party is too (white, rich, etc...)"

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 01:00 PM (Y5I9o)

504 how long does a frozen twinkie last?

How far away am I, and does Rosie O. know about it, too?

Posted by: Michael Moore at November 13, 2012 01:00 PM (8y9MW)

505 All this over a 3% loss?

Wow, what would you have said if we lost by, say, 7%?
< cough2008cough >


Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM

An incumbent with TFG's record should have lost by that much. It's kind of like losing to a really bad team in OT and thinking all would be swell if they had only missed that field goal

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 01:00 PM (wwsoB)

506 502 OSP,

I dunno but my son understands he will get an engineering degree or a trade.

As a former social sciences major with education....fuck college.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:01 PM (LRFds)

507 @493:"There's another petition being sent to Obullshit by student loan debtors. They will return their degrees in exchange for a refund of their tuition

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 12:57 PM (wwsoB)
--

Isn't that Iowahawk's joke petition?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 01:01 PM (Y5I9o)

508
Also: "Bobby"

Enough said.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 13, 2012 01:01 PM (jUytm)

509 The intellectual property I create- whether on my blog, as a book, or a piece of software I develop- is mine.

Yes it is. But you weren't the first one to think of 'stringing words together into a sentence' and if someone else comes up with it too, compete on the merits. Politicians shouldn't tell you you own the idea and anyone who thinks of it owes you royalties.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 01:01 PM (TULs6)

510 ABC's Political Punch is all--

Odes to Obama.

Funny how the media isn't even wondering about the 50 minute tape of the attack on Benghazi.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 01:01 PM (r2PLg)

511 506 502 OSP,

I dunno but my son understands he will get an engineering degree or a trade.

As a former social sciences major with education....fuck college.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:01 PM (LRFds)

Your wise, plumbers and Electricians will be the new wealthy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:01 PM (3Y7RV)

512 I will

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 13, 2012 01:02 PM (hNXHo)

513 >>“Our customers will not be affected because we will continue to serve them from other Hostess Brands bakeries, but sadly this action will result in the permanent closure of three facilities and the loss of 627 jobs,” said Gregory Rayburn, Hostess Brands’ chief executive.


Awesome. Fuck Unions.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:02 PM (TL8Jw)

514
I liked those linked Jindal quotes. I thought he would've made a decent candidate, but didn't run. Maybe next time.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 13, 2012 01:02 PM (WYTHl)

515 Denver photoshop=Ron Burgundy media

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:03 PM (0PiQ4)

516 513 garrett,

with a chainsaw....

the old sven would have been trying to convince you from a tactical standpoint we need to grab the private unions and force the donks to own the public union bullshit...now fuck em both.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:03 PM (LRFds)

517 505
All this over a 3% loss?

Wow, what would you have said if we lost by, say, 7%?
< cough2008cough >




Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 12:53 PM

An
incumbent with TFG's record should have lost by that much. It's kind of
like losing to a really bad team in OT and thinking all would be swell
if they had only missed that field goal



Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 01:00 PM (wwsoB)

3% loss?
You people are on crack.Election fraud was at the highest level ever this time around.
You go through the votes one by one and you will find out how massive the fraud was in virginia ohio florida and pennsylvania

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 01:03 PM (ovpNn)

518 IMO, the anti-IP libertarians are misguided. Strong IP protection is an essential part of a rights-driven service economy.

You are absolutely right.

But do you think for a moment that the FBI is going to kick down doors on your behalf because somebody stole your shit?

Hell no.

They're too damned busy chasing after zipperheads duplicating Disney DVDs in some back alley in Pakistan.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 13, 2012 01:03 PM (ogdab)

519 But you weren't the first one to think of 'stringing words together into a sentence' and if someone else comes up with it too, compete on the merits.

Copyright law protects against copying, not independent creation.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 01:04 PM (8/DeP)

520 “Our customers will not be affected because we will
continue to serve them from other Hostess Brands bakeries, but sadly
this action will result in the permanent closure of three facilities and
the loss of 627 jobs,” said Gregory Rayburn, Hostess Brands’ chief
executive.

Posted by: RWC at November 13, 2012 12:58 PM

The lefties will scream for boycotts of Hostess, but not of NBC/Universal who is laying off 500

But .. but "The Voice" is on tonight! And Ed Schultz says it's horrible that wingers are laughing over layoffs!!

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 01:04 PM (wwsoB)

521 >>>how long does a frozen twinkie last?

I can go all night.

Posted by: Gay Inuk at November 13, 2012 01:04 PM (TL8Jw)

522 if I were going to start chipping away at FDR's Leviathan I wouldn't start with the culture war issues.

I would like to see Breitbart start small: produce a weekly "60 Minutes" TV show. Actual journalism that attacks The Left. Not Rush or Beck raving about something, but actual reporting. It doesn't have to be about the biggest issues that week, because they'd never catch all those squirrels.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:04 PM (FcR7P)

523 My prescription remains: End Withholding.

Pass no spending bill appropriating funds for administration of the system to collect it. All taxes due, in certified funds, at the conclusion of the government fiscal year.

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2012 01:04 PM (pawS5)

524 How do we keep together a coalition that is large enough to beat the Dems.
We focus on the subsidiarity principles. Which is why the federal Government need to shrink, redirecting power to the states, and then down to the local communities. At a smaller enough level people can group by moral consensus more easily than they can at a larger level.
If city (or even to a lesser extent a state) gets enough consensus support to begin putting together laws that approach legislating morality people will be able to to vote with there feet.
The people will stay will ultimately be the people for whom the law isn't a negative (because either it a) doesn't affect them at all or more likely b) because they already abide by it due to their moral orientation.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 01:04 PM (u1Lwt)

525 IMO, the anti-IP libertarians are misguided. Strong IP protection is an essential part of a rights-driven service economy.

Um, dude, the founders wrote it in to be for a very limited time. Politicians have corrupted it ever since.

We now have companies that specialize in holding 'defensive' copyrights to counter-sue the companies that specialize in sueing people for violating their inescapably broad offensive copyrights.

The system is demonstrably broke and as it exists, the whole thing is about corporate rent seeking. I am not against intellectual property as a concept, and that system as it was originally concieved I imagine could be better than nothing and for the good.

But wewould be better off with nothing than what we have now.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 01:06 PM (TULs6)

526 But .. but "The Voice" is on tonight! And Ed Schultz says it's horrible that wingers are laughing over layoffs!!

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 01:04 PM (wwsoB)

I really am taking too much joy in seeing some of the layoffs.

Posted by: RWC at November 13, 2012 01:06 PM (fWAjv)

527 gay eskimo sockOFF

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:06 PM (TL8Jw)

528 @517:"3% loss?
You people are on crack.Election fraud was at the highest level ever this time around."
---
All the less reason for the circular firing squad (which actually seems an awful lot more of a one-way firing squad against SoCons...) and more reason for getting ORGANIZED.

The Social Liberals in the party are right, but about the wrong specific topic. We do need to copy the Dems, not in our party platform, but in our party organization.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 01:07 PM (Y5I9o)

529
Today the SCOAMTT is meeting with (met with?) labor leaders.
It will be a worker's paradise.
Praise God if you are in a Right to Work state.

Hey, Jeremiah, I like that new nic!

Posted by: Justamom at November 13, 2012 01:07 PM (Sptt8)

530 In 08 I held my nose and voted for McCain without voicing any protest.
In 12 I threw a tantrum but voted for Mitt anyway. 2012 was billed as
our 'last chance'. It was. I and others will not hold our noses again.


You feel free to rage against the machine and stay home for the rest of your life when we don't get a Perfect Conservative candidate who shares your priorities 100%.

Just kindly do us a favor and do it elsewhere. Preferably alone in your basement. Keep at it with the experiments and perhaps you'll eventually make that perfect clone of yourself whom you'd finally feel comfortable voting for.

Be sure to use lube though, the chicken will appreciate it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2012 01:07 PM (SY2Kh)

531 507
@493:"There's another petition being sent to Obullshit by student loan
debtors. They will return their degrees in exchange for a refund of
their tuition



Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 12:57 PM (wwsoB)

--



Isn't that Iowahawk's joke petition?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 13, 2012 01:01 PM

If it was, apparently it's caught on seriously because it's now on the whitehouse.gov page

http://tinyurl.com/aqxo8kl



Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2012 01:07 PM (wwsoB)

532 Some people with a Jindal Dildo up their ass dont want to accept this but oh well. The cold hard reality is that no matter what ideas he has, he will be uncle tom'd via reverse racism identity politics and Urkle'd via his appearance.Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (ovpNn)

LOL.

Yeah, because R and R's physical appearance worked so well for us.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 01:08 PM (i3OIF)

533 I motion that any post that goes over 500 comments is officially an open thread. Just doing my part morons

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 13, 2012 01:08 PM (UZQM8)

534 Yeah, because R and R's physical appearance worked so well for us.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 01:08 PM (i3OIF)

Touche'

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:09 PM (3Y7RV)

535 How can we win the bastard vote?

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:09 PM (NIZHJ)

536 One silver lining of this loss is we get to see the rats coming out of the woodwork, proposing their "solutions" to "fix" the GOP... which just happen to be the crap they wanted to do before the loss.

Let me guess... David Frum says we need to be more moderate. Newty Gingrich thinks we should sell our soul to the amnesty devil. Some brilliant FisCon wants to purge the SoCons.

99% of this public "soul searching" is really just a choir of fucktards taking advantage of the situation by vocalizing what they already believed.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 13, 2012 01:09 PM (1wlKa)

537 It is more like Citadel Washington-Wall Street vs. The Barbarians.

And we are the Barbarians. It explains why -serious- studies -prove- that conservative beliefs are a mental disorder; that anyone espousing ideas like limited government and political accountability is ridiculed as an unlearned hick, while California and New York implode. This is not a Democrat or Republican debate, it is a conflict between an increasingly powerful elite harnessing the resources of the federal government for the purpose of milking dry an oppressed middle class. This conflict is taking place on a number of fronts: economic (Wall Street vs. Main Street), legal (Holder's DoJ, the EPA, etc.), and an increasing intolerance for religious societies and other voluntary organizations.

Posted by: mrp at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (HjPtV)

538 I wonder how lavish the inaugural festivities will be.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (W+Itt)

539 Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 01:06 PM (TULs6)
Yes, kinda, and don't confuse copyright with Patents.
Most companies holding "defensive" anything are holding defensive patents. The nature of copyright makes it much harder to hold a broad copyright (since it protects the particular arrangement more than anything.) I can paint my own copy of "Starry night" without copyright concern because it will be different (by virtue of the fact that I did it myself) I can't stick the original in a Xerox and sell copies.

Disney is the company pushing Copyright past it's limits. They don't want any 3rd Party Mickey Mouse Cartoons, so they keep getting it extended whenever theirs expires.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (u1Lwt)

540 Anything after 100 posts and it is open season.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (TL8Jw)

541 Some people with a Jindal Dildo up their ass dont want to accept this but oh well.

Your thoughtful words have given us much to ponder.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (9KqcB)

542 532 Some people with a Jindal Dildo up their ass dont want to accept this but oh well. The cold hard reality is that no matter what ideas he has, he will be uncle tom'd via reverse racism identity politics and Urkle'd via his appearance.Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 13, 2012 12:55 PM (ovpNn)

LOL.

Yeah, because R and R's physical appearance worked so well for us.

Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 01:08 PM (i3OIF)

____________________

Well that brings up an interesting point.

Since the advent of television--

charisma matters.

JFK had it.

I like wonks but I don't think Jindal has it.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (r2PLg)

543 How about a buyout?

Democrats buy votes on an ongoing basis every cycle. This gets proportionately more and more expensive every year. Knowing the mentality of the people we want to influence, immediate gratification would work much better than what dems offer.

We offer a buyout to every citizen in the U.S. for their votes using federal money. The buyout would be based on age and vary between $50,000 and $250,000 per voter. In exchange for the one-time payment, the voter relinquishes their right to vote for life.

This program would be an immediate boost to the economy, is progressive and would insure conservatives would rule for generations.

Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (ZDsRL)

544 An incumbent with TFG's record should have lost by
that much. It's kind of like losing to a really bad team in OT and
thinking all would be swell if they had only missed that field goal Posted by: kbdabear


And I agree we should have beaten them by double or triple that. But can't we have a conversation that doesn't begin with dumping gasoline on ourselves and diving into the fireplace?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (SX6wc)

545 We're tired, too, Lili.

CENTCOM Johnnies constantly suwwound me

They always hound me, with one wequest.

Who can satisfy their lustful habits?

I'm not a wabbit.

I need some we... [takes breath] ...est.

Posted by: Jill Kelley and Paula Broadwell at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (BAS5M)

546 @503

Basically the GOP in the form of Romney/Ryan saying that Obama inherited a tough situation, Boehner and the GOP establishment saying that we need amnesty and tax increases and now Jindal, our own poster child for what a conservative should be, saying we are the party of the rich and have backwards thinking candidates, has now VALIDATED EVERY FUCKING CHARGE THE DONKS HAVE LEVELED AT US!!


Why it's almost as if they are in the employ of the Democrats.


It is to laugh!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:11 PM (RrD4h)

547 School choice is absolutely important.

The schools are a big part of why we're here now (long march), and it's an issue on which they're vulnerable.

"If the Democratic Party is so great, how come they've given your kids such shitty schools?"

Some Obama voters want a better life for their kids. Not all, by any means, but some. It's a good wedge issue, and one that's been largely ignored by the GOP (other than the occasional lip service). More important, it's an absolutely essential step on the path toward winning in the long term.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 01:11 PM (pkkxZ)

548 Entropy: Sure it is defineable. Smaller government, less spending on social programs and hand outs, solid military, lower taxes to produce greater revenue to support the strong military. I don't have to go into abortion and family much to support that. Other than to say that we aren't paying for your family, we ae protecting it.

Posted by: giftogab at November 13, 2012 01:11 PM (QW2hm)

549 Yeah, because R and R's physical appearance worked so well for us.





Posted by: Nate at November 13, 2012 01:08 PM

Tell me about it ...


Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 13, 2012 01:11 PM (wwsoB)

550 Jones in CO is right on the money. It's the media. My parents are what's wrong. They have lived the American dream. Neither went to college, but they scrimped and saved and started a business. They have a beautiful house with a pool . But their only news source is the broadcast news. They regurgitate all the dem talking points. Repubs are for the rich, they'll take away our SS and Medicare, blah, blah, blah. At least they don't vote. One bit of hope. As they've aged and are feeling their mortality, they have become spiritual. One of dads friends actually convinced him that O was attacking the Catholic Church and that was convincing to him but he still didn't vote. They are intimated by the mechanics of voting because they don't use pcs.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:11 PM (0PiQ4)

551 Politicians shouldn't tell you you own the idea and anyone who thinks of it owes you royalties.

Which is not what IP is supposed to do- but then target the bastardization of copyright, not copyright itself.

If I write something, and someone else just takes exactly what I wrote and passes it off as their own work, that's theft the same as if I steal a car and sell it as if it was mine.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:11 PM (8y9MW)

552 Copyright law protects against copying, not independent creation.

Oh, bullocks.

It reminds me of a lefty debate I read about Obama's drone war. Connor Friedersdorf made a rather good argument - most lefties want to argue about the drone war they'd like to have, in the abstract, and ignore the drone war they actually are having.

It's not about whether or not we should support a hypothetical copyright law that is actually just.

Look at the actual fucking copyright system. The law is bought and sold to the highest bidder. People get copyrights for all sorts of obvious shit they never should have been able to copyright. There are companies that make a living doing absolutely nothing but suing over unusedcopyrights theybought and stockpiled.Fucking scientific researchers copyright diseases and you have to pay a royalty if you want to research a cure! The system is F.U.B.A.R. and we'd be better off to start from scratch and raze the whole damn system.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 01:12 PM (TULs6)

553 Why it's almost as if they are in the employ of the Democrats.


It is to laugh!!!
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:11 PM (RrD4h)

Not Democrats, Progressives.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 13, 2012 01:12 PM (3Y7RV)

554 "n exchange for the one-time payment, the voter relinquishes their right to vote for life. "

What makes you think they wouldn't go on voting in Chicago and Philly? Hell, even being DEAD doesn't stop them there.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 01:12 PM (pkkxZ)

555 >
I wonder how lavish the inaugural festivities will be.


the streets of DC will be paved with lobster

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 13, 2012 01:12 PM (8sCoq)

556 You know who's been reeeaaaallly quiet and not jumping on the Surrender Wagon?

Paul Ryan.

2016.

Posted by: Filly at November 13, 2012 01:12 PM (5DcAR)

557 But we would be better off with nothing than what we have now.

Reasonable people can disagree and so I respect your opinion. I don't think that's true though.

When start ups seek financing all they have is a management core and their IP. Without the ability to impair the flow of capital into competitors, why would anyone invest significant venture capital?

Also, while it isn't widely appreciated, execs failing to secure and defend IP can be sued as individuals in shareholder derivative actions for corporate waste.

And most importantly, a willful patent infringement judgment can take down a company. C-level execs fail to engage the system at their own risk.

Again, just my opinion.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 01:12 PM (8/DeP)

558 Anything after 100 posts and it is open season.


Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM


I used to help run a guitar forum. We used to pride ourselves in the fact that the first 3 posts of any thread were on topic, and after that it just spiraled into whatever. lol

Posted by: Berserker at November 13, 2012 01:12 PM (FMbng)

559 Okay... so, where is Ace? This thread is getting a bit rank.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:14 PM (8y9MW)

560 Just experienced this in a phone conversation with my MSNBC-addicted Father. He claims now that Obama is re-elected, the economy is set to boom. Expects the US dollar to soar and unemployment to drop drastically. LOL.

550
Jones in CO is right on the money. It's the media. My parents are
what's wrong. They have lived the American dream. Neither went to
college, but they scrimped and saved and started a business. They have a
beautiful house with a pool . But their only news source is the
broadcast news. They regurgitate all the dem talking points. Repubs
are for the rich, they'll take away our SS and Medicare, blah, blah,
blah. At least they don't vote. One bit of hope. As they've aged and
are feeling their mortality, they have become spiritual. One of dads
friends actually convinced him that O was attacking the Catholic Church
and that was convincing to him but he still didn't vote. They are
intimated by the mechanics of voting because they don't use pcs.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:11 PM (0PiQ4)

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 13, 2012 01:14 PM (cv5Iw)

561 "How do we keep together a coalition that is large enough to beat the Dems."
We focus on the subsidiarity principles. Which is why the federal Government need to shrink, redirecting power to the states, and then down to the local communities.

Good idea, but like most of the ideas post-election, it begins with us winning a governing majority to make fundamental change.

“First, win the White House, House and a filibuster-proof Senate. Second, do conservatives stuff. Finally, the nation is saved.”

It doesn’t help us get to that first part.



Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (9KqcB)

562 "that skinny little roasted plucked chicken "

That sounds more like the JEF than Jindal.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (pkkxZ)

563 I love the comments here as they make me think beyond my current thoughts.

States rights died with the Civil War.
It was done to end slavery and reunite the states which was good, but came at the cost of state sovereignty which was bad.

Individual freedom began to die with the buying of votes with policy and law givemes. This began the day the Constitution came to be.

The Dems have captured the country by monopolizing unions, media, journalism, and academia over a 100 year period of time. As I have said before wars are won through logistics and the Dems own the logistics.

The creators of the KKK, filibustering the Civil Rights Act, and housing a Senator that was a member of the KKK call the other party racist. They get away with that because of their logistical edge.

It will take years to turn the tide and conservative thinking must take over that logistical juggernaut to do so. I think this is happening which is why free speech, religious freedom, and contrary ideas are being burned as Hitler burned books.

Reagan bucked the trend. He was hated by his party and the liberal logistc machine. But when we lost that leader with his blessed capabilities we never recovered.

Posted by: Mekan at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (hm8tW)

564 Starting to smell a bit Eau d'bidet, if you will.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (8y9MW)

565 @559

Maybe he's signing up for some free shit?

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (RrD4h)

566 The Paulbots didn't show up. They took their ball and went home, and now have the complete opposite of Ron Paul in the white house. They voted to let it burn because they didn't think through what that actually means, nor do they have a plan to win once it happens.

Posted by: realityman at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (obXkJ)

567 Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 01:12 PM (TULs6)

entropy, I believe you may be confusing copyrights with patents.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (8/DeP)

568 Which is not what IP is supposed to do- but then target the bastardization of copyright, not copyright itself.

What I am telling you is that the system is so far gone, it would be much easier and much better, and we would be closer to the ideal, if we erradicated the whole thing and focused on trying to re-create the good things, than if we tried to keep it alive and trim off the bad.

The latter approach I assure is completely futile. It will not happen, it will just provide rhetorical cover while the same old shit continues. There's too much inertia that way, too many companies built on milking the system and too much money in it.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (TULs6)

569 "I say we blow the fuckers up." -Booger

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (EX+sq)

570 Which forum? I've always been a member/fan/lurjer at TheGearPage.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (TL8Jw)

571
The only Democrat policy we should adopt is lying. Tell the people we are giving them circus clowns, less taxes and more spending at the same time, whatever, then start fixing things when we get in. Democrats never attack their own. They even defended Anthony Weiner. They never expect promises to be kept, they just support team D no matter what.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 13, 2012 01:16 PM (WYTHl)

572 Regarding Hostess, how did they NOT think that getting canned would be the end result...

If cakes and bread arrive together and are headed to the same place, they must nevertheless be split onto separate trucks; drivers are forbidden to load products onto their trucks.

When the Hostess man delivers product to the store, he isn’t allowed to move items from storage to the shelves; instead, a different employee, called a “pull-up” worker, has to do that job. Oh, and if both cakes and bread are involved? You guessed it: there’s a cake pull-up and a bread pull-up. One guy couldn’t possibly do the same task.

Posted by: RWC at November 13, 2012 01:16 PM (fWAjv)

573 "When start ups seek financing all they have is a management core and their IP."

Startups win by rapid iteration, not IP.

Ideas (and good ones) are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 01:16 PM (pkkxZ)

574 And I agree we should have beaten them by double or
triple that. But can't we have a conversation that doesn't begin with
dumping gasoline on ourselves and diving into the fireplace?


Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omECDMfbu4k

Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 13, 2012 01:16 PM (wwsoB)

575 If I write something, and someone else just takes exactly what I wrote and passes it off as their own work, that's theft the same as if I steal a car and sell it as if it was mine.

Of course you are right.

But the question is this: Will the FBI go kicking down doors on your behalf when somebody does that to you?

No. They won't. But they won't hesitate to run expensive, international operations against piracy rings dealing in entertainment media. And guess who gets to pay for those operations?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 13, 2012 01:16 PM (ogdab)

576 I think when people go to get their rapid refunds next year they'll be pissed. I think a preemptive blocking of waivers to the future Obamacare recipients (especially males) would be helpful now. Lots of professional women already have insurance and are excited about he new coverages have no sympathy for the others not paying for stuff.

Posted by: ryukyu at November 13, 2012 01:17 PM (Cvyuv)

577 566 The Paulbots didn't show up. They took their ball and went home, and now have the complete opposite of Ron Paul in the white house. They voted to let it burn because they didn't think through what that actually means, nor do they have a plan to win once it happens.
Posted by: realityman at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (obXkJ)


______________________

What is really going to make this--

The Perfect Storm of a Circular Firing Squad is the fact that no one can solve for "X".

(X=who stayed home.)

Everyone can claim it was their particular tribe with their axe to grind.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 01:17 PM (r2PLg)

578 Charge the next thread to Obamao's stash.

Posted by: Butters at November 13, 2012 01:17 PM (NIZHJ)

579
Ending withholding is a great idea, but our biz pays quarterly. Must.
Plus, if I fail to make the online ETF deposit online, the penalty is seriously punitive. Have only done that once.

Did I get everybody's pity yet telling how our fricking MO state supreme court overturned our medical malpractice cap on punitive? We don't even have a renewal rate yet after asking twice, because they're probably still working on the underwriting. Or maybe McCaskill and Nixon took a page out of the SCOAMTT'S book and wanted this after the election. Bad press if all the docs are going out of business.
Anyway, getting our loan paperwork together and asking for quotes excluding Medicare and open surgery, all high risk.

Posted by: Justamom at November 13, 2012 01:17 PM (Sptt8)

580 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (8y9MW)

Take a look at today's Commentary Daily.

They suggest that the Democrats have a problem. They created a cult of personality to win two presidential elections without any demonstrable success in anything other than winning votes.

So....what do they do next?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2012 01:18 PM (GsoHv)

581 NOOOOOD

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 13, 2012 01:18 PM (UZQM8)

582
Since the advent of television--

charisma matters.

JFK had it.

I like wonks but I don't think Jindal has it.

Posted by: tasker at November 13, 2012 01:10 PM (r2PLg)

--------------

This!
Exactly so, tasker.
This is what I keep saying.

I like Jindal and I think what he's basically trying to say here is...
"The GOP should not be the party of 'Too Big To Fail'"

But he can't even sell that idea to conservatives.
So how could he sell it on a national level?

The only Presidential Candidates who win anymore...are the ones that are Charismatic on a basic level.

Posted by: wheatie at November 13, 2012 01:18 PM (ICEh3)

583 The buyout would be based on age and vary between $50,000 and $250,000 per voter.

Somehow I got the ass end of that one. I've lost my vote for life and I owe $200,000 for the privilege.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:18 PM (FcR7P)

584
start allowing fist fights on the floor every time some donkimplies republicans are right wing nazis

Posted by: kj at November 13, 2012 01:18 PM (AW9md)

585 How you say things matters and when you trot out a sneering "help them keep their toys" I want to punch you in the fucking face.

I am not rich but I believe in property rights and I still think envy is a bad thing. Apparently, I am the only one.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (+VMZ0)

586 Which forum? I've always been a member/fan/lurjer at TheGearPage.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (TL8Jw)


Well originally it was the les paul forum. A friend of mine started it years back when it was just a small handful of us, but then it became infested with libs and became intolerable, so a bunch of us moved on.

Posted by: Berserker at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (FMbng)

587 "Startups win by rapid iteration, not IP."

In fact, it's almost an invariable sign that the company is doomed when they switch from innovation to IP litigation.

That's why I'm bearish on Apple.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (pkkxZ)

588 Ugh. Inaugural ball. I want to vomit. Remember Beyonce serenading O and Michelle?

Must go actually vomit.

Thanks to whoever had to bring that up.

Posted by: L, just L at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (0PiQ4)

589 My parents are what's wrong. They have lived the American dream. Neither went to college, but they scrimped and saved and started a business. They have a beautiful house with a pool . But their only news source is the broadcast news. They regurgitate all the dem talking points.

This.

The moochers need the backing of people like our parents’ generation to win elections. That generation generally worked hard, generally married before having children, and generally didn’t receive government entitlements until their later years.

But while they lived like Republicans, they vote Democrat. They still think it’s the party of FDR and JFK.

Without them, liberalism could not have blossomed.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (9KqcB)

590
Yes, we should only nominate humans with the approved melanin content for higher office. Qualifications, beliefs, and capability are nice, but in the end irrelevant.

Obviously.

Oh, and Free Shit too. Can't win without Free Shit.





Posted by: Jaws at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (4I3Uo)

591 Is it wrong to wish that he get cancer of the colon and spend the rest of his life bleeding out of his burning inflamed asshole?

No it's not

He could have been dismisses as a kook, but after MoreDick the MSM had their narrative.

Posted by: Avi at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (Gx3Fe)

592 So....what do they do next?

Third term.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2012 01:19 PM (FcR7P)

593 584-- Hear hear

The only response to the racism bit (when spouted by a white liberal) should be a fist in the face.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 13, 2012 01:20 PM (+VMZ0)

594 Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:15 PM (9KqcB)

We we start by making sure we're not giving off the signal that we're going to legislate us some morality (see: Not Akin.)
Then I think we need to start selling the public the liberty angle. And sell it hard. We might even be able to borrow from the liberal heroes of Rawls and Daniels by talking about equality of opportunity (co-opting their language not their end result!) With any luck after 4 years of people being stuck either in unemployment or jobs they don't like but can't leave because of the stagnant economy, this will be ripe for the picking.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 01:20 PM (u1Lwt)

595 But the question is this: Will the FBI go kicking down doors on your behalf when somebody does that to you?


Of course not. But nuking the law (the original proposal) means I don't even have redress to sue in civil court.

If you're just saying "stop the FBI from enforcing IP Law, and make private entities pursue such redress in civilian law" I'm all for that.

Or, if you're saying, nuke it and start over (as long as they're done together) I can get behind that, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 13, 2012 01:20 PM (8y9MW)

596 MSM is not on our side - that's a given.
Well, make them pay for taking sides...

Someone, please make a USB device that you can plug into the TV/Set top box that takes signals from the net that blocks off ads on these networks when they're aired. Replace it with whatever interest the user has for instance.

Make them pay for airing their biases as if it were true...

Posted by: aj at November 13, 2012 01:21 PM (eS0Ui)

597 Startups win by rapid iteration, not IP.

Under-capitalized startups seldom get off the ground at all, and venture capital doesn't generally flow into startups lacking IP protection.

And yes, the FBI (or more likely, federal marshals acting under court order) will go knock down an infringer's door and impound their stuff, or stop a ship and seize its cargo, and so on. It depends on how strong your IP portfolio is.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 01:23 PM (8/DeP)

598 If you're just saying "stop the FBI from enforcing IP Law, and make private entities pursue such redress in civilian law" I'm all for that.


This is what I'm saying. I'm not touching the other pieces of it because I haven't thought it through much beyond agreeing with the fact that intellectual property is intellectual property.

As for myself tapping into the suddenly effectively free shit, they can smash their DVDs into jagged little pieces and shove those pieces up their ass for all I care.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 13, 2012 01:23 PM (ogdab)

599 I am not rich but I believe in property rights and I still think envy is a bad thing. Apparently, I am the only one.

Nah. I always tell liberals that I will never be rich, but I never had the urge to blame my lack of money on the fact that the guy across town has too much of it.

Heck, when I was making $14,000 a year I remember arguing with my boss that I didn’t see the fairness in a progressive tax rate.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:23 PM (9KqcB)

600 [singing]
Lili Von Shtupp: I've been with thousands of men

again and again

they promise the moon

they're always coming and going and going and coming

... and always too soon.

[spoken] Right, girls?

[Jill Kelley and Paula Broadwell, spoken]

Right, Lili!

[Jill Kelley and Paula Broadwell, singing a duet]

We've been with thousands of men

Again and again

They sing the same tune

They start with Byron and Shelly

Then jump on your belly

And bust your balloons

Aye!

[All, in unison]

We're tired!

Posted by: The Lili Von Shtupp Trio at November 13, 2012 01:23 PM (BAS5M)

601 Populism is the road to hell in case anyone has forgotten. Hard work, self-reliance and smaller government are losing issues now. So are family values. People want to engage in all manner of immoral behavior and pay no consequences. Strong defense? Nobody cares about that either, they see that as a tool of useless wars. More freedom? Again, people want to be free from want and will sacrifice other freedoms to get that. We lost. The end.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 13, 2012 01:24 PM (x0g8a)

602 We we start by making sure we're not giving off the signal that we're going to legislate us some morality (see: Not Akin.)

Seems as if we’re the only ones who worry about that. The government makes me pay for other people’s immorality every April 15, and it never seems to have hurt the other party.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (9KqcB)

603 537 mrp,

I am gonna sleep a week and then decide but I fear you're right the sonsabitches think our blood is a resource to be used and they are importing our more melleable replacement help.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (LRFds)

604 In fact, it's almost an invariable sign that the company is doomed when they switch from innovation to IP litigation.

Most companies "switch" to IP litigation because they are being sued. Aggressive litigation is a legitimate business tactic.

An average patent infringement suit specs out at around 10,000 hours of attorney time averaging around $500/hr. Not everyone can afford to drop $5 mil over two years in several different forums at the same time. Those who can do, and those who can't wind up selling out. Law of the jungle and all that ....

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2012 01:28 PM (8/DeP)

605 This is bullshit. I'm taken aback by his comments, really shocked. More GOP politicians like that we don't need. Wtf is wrong with these people????? The media controlled what people saw, the people are stupid and the swine Dems stole the goddam election. There isn't any more to be said. What certainly doesn't help is having these asshole GOP politicians telling us we need to be kinder and gentler. No. We need to be agressive and learn how to play the Dems game with underhanded tricks. We need to do that. Or it's forever lost to us.

Posted by: Sassy at November 13, 2012 01:28 PM (5M+pt)

606 Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:26 PM (9KqcB)
Because we let the Liberals beat us over the head with the edge cases.
See Rape/Abortion, and Edge case if I've ever seen one. It's not that it's not important, or bad, just that it's too small a percentage of cases to begin extrapolating an entire policy from. (Plus as I've pointed out elsewhere, there are other, larger issues at play there. Like Rape Reporting and response, but I digress.)
And yet, we let ourselves get hammered with this edge case every cycle, because the Liberals are great at using emotion to override logic.
(See Also: Free Birth Control, unemployment extensions, parent's insurance until 26, in every one of those issues they pulled out an edge case and hammered us with it. We need to be more prepared)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 01:34 PM (u1Lwt)

607 That very first sentence, big this big that, dead on the money.

And the 'having theirs and pulling the ladder up behind them', has the "entrenched pols from both sides of the isle" written all over it. Commies love everything big. Govt, banks, business.
Communism cannot abide a strong middle class. True small business, etc.

Posted by: In Cognito at November 13, 2012 01:39 PM (cWpCn)

608 If Jindal had any sense, he would instead note that we need to start using the label "Big" ourselves; Big Media, Big Education, Big Labor etc...

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 13, 2012 01:41 PM (+VMZ0)

609 "Most companies "switch" to IP litigation because they are being sued."

It takes two to tango, dude, or didn't you notice?

Maybe you're right and (e.g.) SCO will come roaring back any day now, but I don't think so.

IP is one of those things that started off as a good idea but has grown into a monster. Much like many other social programs, come to think of it. You start out with not wanting old ladies starving to death on the street, and you wind up with Obamaphones.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 01:44 PM (pkkxZ)

610 "Under-capitalized startups seldom get off the ground at all"

Nonsense. Getting too much venture capital is also a nearly sure-fire recipe for disaster.

Cough...Groupon...cough.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 01:46 PM (pkkxZ)

611 We don't need to be kinder and gentler, quite the opposite. We stop treating politics as "beanbag".

Want to effect the black vote? Start pointing out that the jobs taken by the immigrants that the Dems want more and more of are traditionally theirs.

Want to cut funding for colleges that indoctrinate liberalism? Start pounding home the fact of their fat endowments. We have learned that people don't like those who have billions of dollars.

Want to stop taking it in the shorts over abortion? Whenever someone asks about rape tell them you don't know about that but you do know your opponent supports letting babies who survive abortions die of neglect in hospital closets.



Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 13, 2012 01:47 PM (+VMZ0)

612 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 01:34 PM (u1Lwt)

I hear you. We have to be smarter. We face a hostile media that the other party does not have to contend with. Fortunately, the media’s influence is dwindling.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (9KqcB)

613 Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2012 01:48 PM (9KqcB)

It stands outside the media though. This is how they argue. Or as Alasdair MacIntyre put it: "Claims of Emotivism"

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 13, 2012 02:01 PM (u1Lwt)

614
SimpleSpeak, even from Jindal, a guy I like.
Look, Dems say stupid things, radical and stupid things, all the time.
How do the media and pop culture guys on tv treat them? With a smile and pat on the back.
You change absolutely nothing w/out first undercutting the people who deliver the news to themajority of the Bell Curve who don't dig for anything on their own.
I still think the only way around this mess is to begin to go after the lack of journalistic integrity and professionalism on the part of the reporters and their bosses. Jake Tapper, one of the "better ones"as a MSM reporter, is still missing in action on the Benghazi story, saying just enough about it that he can claim he is "covering it" but that's it.
It's sad and unfortunate that the great reporting that the two Fox reporters have doneon the story and sad that the Bret Baier News Hour are undercut by other shows on Fox News Network. Sad too that people don't know what a great program Neil Cavuto has (if just a smidgen more of the populace listened to a show like that once a couple of months, we'd have won the election just by educating people a bit about how an economy operates) because "Fox" is considered some kind of tabloid network by those who never tune in.
Go to Steve Sailer's blog, http://isteve.blogspot.com/, read his archives about immigration and Hispanic voting patterns, read his recent posts, in fact, get lost in a guy who's a great analyst of data, and learn why it's futile to believe that in your lifetime, no matter your age, you'll not see Hispanics voting GOP. (Oh, and recall that after Reagan gave amnesty, we still lost more of the percentage of Hispanic votes.)

Posted by: gm at November 13, 2012 02:02 PM (wgmUB)

615 This is not a Democrat or Republican debate, it is a conflict between an increasingly powerful elite harnessing the resources of the federal government for the purpose of milking dry an oppressed middle class.

That's what I see. I don't give a fuck about left/right anymore, the name of the game is up/down.

Look at the lower class we might call moochers. That is what the endgame for you looks like. The elites will shove the middle class into the lower class and shut down class mobility to protect their little tower.

Many moochers are moochers because the elites have worked for decades to make sure mooching is the only viable way for them to achieve sustainence. They have no other options. They live in a blighted community with no jobs and no money and their public school didn't teach hardly half of them to read. For a reason. They're Eloi.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 02:03 PM (TULs6)

616 "You change absolutely nothing w/out first undercutting the people who deliver the news "

Education comes first. Without that, nothing is ever going to change.

The proggs figured it out a long time ago.

It won't be easy and it won't be overnight, but it's the only way to win in the long term.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 02:04 PM (pkkxZ)

617 It's just ironic that Jindal is "schooling" Romney and the GOP on a narrow loss when he would have been washed away in a landslide if he had tried to sell the nation on his abortion plank of "no abortion for rape victims" and that same policy is why we lost the Senate.

No, Americans didn't go into the voting booth and vote Obama and Democrats because they're mad at Wells Fargo. What an idiot.

Posted by: McAdams at November 13, 2012 02:08 PM (aVSeo)

618 That sort of rhetoric works for democrats because people are not so stupid, they see it going on and they know it is happening.

The democrats blaim it all on republicans. But dumbass republicans just stick their head in the sand and deny it exists, which in light of dem allegations, makes them look guilty. And half of them are guilty.

But if you say these things, you "sound like a democrat". There's a reason why it resonates! It's true, just not quite the way they make it out to be. But you cannot just stick your head in the sand and say we have a free market just because you want to believe we have free market. We have no free market, we have a rigged game that oppresses the poor. Acknowledging it is not endorsing it. It exists. Simple as that.

We want a free market, but just to pretend we have one isn't a solution for what to do about cronyism. If we are ever to get to a free market, we have to acknowledge the fixed market, what it is, what's wrong with it, and what needs to change. Republicans apparently are afraid to address cronyism. They just want to spout 20th century rhetoric and sloganeering about America being free and pretend there is no problem.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 02:09 PM (TULs6)

619 Some folks missing the point here...

The long view is this is about culture and control of the institutions that prop up the dominate culture. That means entertainment and news media. This is the exclusive province of the left right now save for a few crumbs (WSJ op-ed page, FOX News, Rush, Beck, blogs). Our side has very little opportunity to move the needle as things stand. The media outlets we control are marginalized and generally speak only to our most loyal voters. In other words, the dominant culture is set and controlled by liberals and is used to advance their preferred narrative. This is how otherwise intelligent people become convinced that Mitt Romney will steal their lady parts. There is one dominant message being served up all day, every day.

Arguments about whether to be more libertarian, more socon, less socon, more fiscon, less fiscon etc are beside the point because, right now, we do not get to describe our own ideas to the public: they do. So how can we undo that built in advantage? Reform copyright.

Follow the history of copyright extension in the U.S. and you will see that it is driven by Disney. In other words, our copyright laws have been distorted from their original purpose to serve the messaging engine of Left.

I propose an end to digital copyright because:

1. It directly undermines the cultural institutions that serve as the messaging engine of the Left.

2. Current digital copyright is like nothing ever foreseen by the founders.

3. It will likely prove popular with younger voters.

4. It will interrupt the flow of funds to the Democratic party.

5. It may provide an opportunity for opposing viewpoints to make inroads and provide the opportunity to describe out ideas in our own terms.

6. Current digital copyright is for the benefit of middlemen such as entertainment companies and lawyers not for the benefit of creators.

7. So long as digital copyright is vigorously protected by the center-right, the liberals are free to portray the center-right as the villains who would see single-moms fined millions for file-trading when, in fact, the entire system is set up to their benefit.

8. You can still profit in the absence of digital copyrights. See Red Hat Linux.

9. And you are worried about someone stealing your blog post?

Posted by: Basil Seal at November 13, 2012 02:09 PM (xvN0P)

620 More populism and class warfare. Yeah, that's what we need in this nation right now.

Thou shalt not covet --(shit God and Moses said, Chapter1, verse3 [I think])

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2012 02:09 PM (n6eVv)

621 Note that "intellectual property" is not mentioned in the Bible, and indeed didn't even exist as a concept until modern times. Also note that Thomas Jefferson hated the idea.

Posted by: Barky O'Drama at November 13, 2012 02:14 PM (pkkxZ)

622 615 entropy,

open up a cash based business model and help the moochers cheat....

burn it don't just watch.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2012 02:23 PM (LRFds)

623 Use the Obama answer on abortion 'Above my paygrade.' No more Akins, if you can get them to stick to the script.

MFM, and that alone, is why we lost. The masses that bothered voting were badly served and ill-informed. The other reason we lost is the Ronulans, who never grew up, decided to sit out because their Gold-God didn't speak at the convention.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 13, 2012 02:26 PM (UU0OF)

624 Jindal.. Jindal??

Now that's a name I haven't heard...

Someone again beat me to it:
Jindal sat this one out. Where was he a year ago? Now he gets on stage? Now he speaks? He may be right, but fuck him.
Posted by: eman at November 13, 2012 11:21 AM (sRus3

Posted by: dDan at November 13, 2012 02:27 PM (q1RJB)

625 These fuckers want me to believe instead of losing, we just came in second.

Whaaat??

Posted by: dDan at November 13, 2012 02:32 PM (q1RJB)

626 More populism and class warfare. Yeah, that's what we need in this nation right now. Thou shalt not covet --(shit God and Moses said, Chapter1, verse3 [I think])

There's absolutely nothing covetous about point out that rich elites are abusing their power to steal from us. That's opposing covetousness.

I don't want the power to abuse the law for myself, I don't covet their privledge, I just know that it is wrong and should not exist. It's not "gimme mine" it's "stop taking mine".

But some on the right are allergic to reality. Must maintain the normalcy bias and pretend America is the land of economic opportunity and everything is swell so don't change anything.

Guess what? It ain't.

In Europe, under the King, if you wanted to make money you had to ask the ruling elites for permission. You can't just start selling widgits! You have to grease the skids. And you have to be the right sort. Otherwise, STFU and pick your Lord's potatos or cotton for meager sustenance wages that barely cover the rent you owe him, that will never let you rise to anything else. You had to know your place. You weren't allowed to rock the boat.

When our forefathers came here for that opportunity, it was the opportunity to simply work. To set up a stall in the middle of the road, sell your crap for money, and keep the money. To be yourself, and not be owned and indentured by anyone. To attempt whatever you could imagine, without having to convince the King to allow it on account of how it will benefit the Nation or the Kingdom. A place where that not specifically prohibited is allowed, rather than that not specifically allowed by the king is prohibited, and must be begged for. A place that allowed for initiative and invention rather than just obedience and order taking.

Try that today and the cops will shut you down. Your widgits might not be safe. You need a license. A registration. A business permit, granting permission from the elites, who require their cut, and need to know you are the right sort who will work with the machine and won't challenge their cultural dominance. Everything old is new again.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 02:34 PM (TULs6)

627 The party can propigate all the pretty popaganda popular around the people till their purple in the peehole.

Piss on them.

Posted by: dDan at November 13, 2012 02:36 PM (q1RJB)

628 open up a cash based business model and help the moochers cheat....burn it don't just watch.

Working on it. I'm gonna get me some foodstamps and a cash side business.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 02:39 PM (TULs6)

629 Put it another way...

Repealing digital copyright doesn't make you anti-IP in any meaningful way. Right now, more than anything else, we need to find a way to speak directly to the voters and at the same volume as the left can. We only speak directly through little read magazines and blogs. The left speaks unfiltered, day in - day out, through magazines, blogs, newspapers, high traffic web sites, movies, music, television sit-coms, radio, etc, etc. This is how they can make an election turn on stupid stuff like bomber jackets and binders full of women.

It is unrealistic to assume we can build a parallel culture to compete with all this. We can't. It is fiscally and technologically infeasible. So that's out.

The next best option is to reduce the effectiveness of the institutions they control. You don't do this by writing a gazillion blog posts about how the culture and the media that produces it are liberally biased. You do it by starving it of funds.

Now you have two choices.

The first is to boycott all the media outlets and their products. It hasn't and it won't work because even conservatives consume the products of the media. It's blog fodder, it's fun to go to the movies, everybody watches some TV, or pro sports, or listens to Bruce Springsteen, or whatever. The point is: you can try to build a pure conservative bubble in which to live but every time you venture out you will consume a culture that has been prepared for you by liberals. So that won't/hasn't worked. Try to do it harder if you like. Good luck with that.

The other choice is to go after the legislative mechanism that funds these institutions. That is digital copyright. I agree that it sounds -- at first -- as if we are abandoning property rights or worse. Closer examination reveals it for what it is: a federally mandated funding mechanism for liberal messaging. Seen in that light it looks a whole lot less sacred.

Now, when our troops landed on Omaha beach they took out German machine gun nests. This didn't make them opposed to the second amendment. It was what had to be done to secure liberty _that_ day. As it stands digital copyright, is a threat to all your other property rights. Unless we dismantle it and create an environment where we can speak for ourselves, there is no point in scrupling over the niceties of liberty.

So what's it going to be. An endless argument about the purity of our grotesquely misshapen copyright law or do we try to lower the volume of Left's megaphone by doing away with digital copyright?

Posted by: Basil Seal at November 13, 2012 02:41 PM (xvN0P)

630 The party can propigate all the pretty popaganda popular around the people till their purple in the peehole.
So your prefered alternative is unpopular propaganda? Pretend their's no problem, that in the Socialist State of America (for decades and counting) the rich don't use their political connections to destroy competition?

Are you just gonna claim that private profit and subsidized loss for the wellconnected doesn't exist? Too big too fail. To important to be equal.

And for the poor, (meager) subsidized profit and private loss - all the better to discourage them from trying anything uppity.

Posted by: entropy at November 13, 2012 02:42 PM (TULs6)

631 Never cared for Jindal....and this is why.
Populism indeed.
Good lord...

Posted by: Christmasghost at November 13, 2012 02:47 PM (CkK+I)

632 we have to hasten the decline of public schools and universities by making them actually better at what they're supposed to be doing, which is educating on the fundamentals rather than babysitting. putting more and more stuff online will go a long way towards that end. it's already happening, but we should support massive moves toward online education and libraries...see coursera, khan academy etc. you can get a better education online now than you ever could from a classroom. full stop.

Posted by: matt foley at November 13, 2012 03:25 PM (2WDMC)

633 Nice idea in practice, nightmare in reality.

Catholic schools teach evolution, science and critical reasoning.

DO you see evangelicals doing that? Schools should be for challenging children's perceptions, not reinforcing a parents dogma. You make slaves of your own children that way, rather than them embracing the parents view of Christianity.

And yes, that does mean some will not choose their parents vision of the world. Deal with it, just love them.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 03:52 PM (8I6vf)

634 Hey, it worked for Hughie Long!

Posted by: Kingfish Jindal at November 13, 2012 04:00 PM (Gx5Cd)

635 And with this, Jindal is off my list of pols I like. Jindal, here's a newflash! WE WON! But the GOP sissies won't fightfraud. We don't need re-branding because the people actually liked us enough to vote for us. But they're votes didn't count. We cannot rebrand our party based on assumptions about a fraudulentelection. If anyone's "stuck on stupid" it's Jindal for believing the results of this farce. Idiot.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 13, 2012 06:18 PM (KL49F)

636 Not a bad message by Gov. Jindal.

However we really need to take a hard close look at adopting Libertarian principles, minimally legal marijuana for all. That will seal the deal for the
Millenniums, and free joints passed out on election day would keep the moochers stoned and and in their basements.


Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 13, 2012 06:20 PM (eOdp2)

637 Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 13, 2012 12:40 PM (yKUrR)

Libs have not "convinced a majority" of voters of anything. Libs simply got a "majority" of frauduland votes. The REAL majority voted for Romney.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 13, 2012 06:22 PM (KL49F)

638 241 Do we give credit to Obama's team for running the most racist campaign in modern American history? It was effective.
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Yes. And for running that campaign effectively for Blacks, and Hispanics, and Asians too, such that non-Whites voted as a block 80% Democrat.

But that was the easy part, because non-Whites are inclined to vote against the White Party, aka the Republican Party.

The genius part is that the Democratic Party has been methodically growing its base since the 1960s - while the Republican Party has done nothing either to protect or grow its base or to prevent the rise of "minority"-majority America.

Those who played the long game are receiving their electoral reward. Those who preached economic "responsibility" while in demographic matters they played "let's forget about tomorrow for tomorrow never comes" on a loop for fifty years have woken up in tomorrow.

Oh wait, they still haven't woken up.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 13, 2012 07:00 PM (uMgL+)

639 274 We talk about ending tax breaks for Hollywood types because they vote Dem. Remember, these studios are businesses, so as a default as the GOP our attitude is: "Hey, the provide a good and service for society, they provide jobs and create secondary economic activity, we should not burden them.

But they increasingly take advantage of our regulatory system. You have companies like Amazon that can lobby Congress to get special online tax rules just for them.

Why should we defend that any longer, when we dinged on both the right and the left for that?
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Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 13, 2012 07:06 PM (uMgL+)

640 448 It's not bad advice as far as it goes. The problem is it fails to attack where we risk the least and gain the most: the media and academia.
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Good thinking.

This is how to do it: think long term and fight over demographics and systems, not just single elections.

The wrong way to do it is to respond by retreating, throwing the social cons under the bus, though they were right all along. All that "merely sexual" stuff has been breaking down families for decades, and if the electorate was only intact families the Republican Party would always win. By attacking the family, the Democratic Party has been growing its base. By giving way on this, the Republican Party would be agreeing that its own base should be dismantled and the Democratic base should be expanded.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 13, 2012 07:34 PM (uMgL+)

641 452 There is this constant meme that the "culture" is changing or that the populace has changed its mind. It hasn't. It's just that the populace votes now. You can't change the culture, no one can.
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The left could and did.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 13, 2012 07:39 PM (uMgL+)

642 How about we just ditch everybody that continues abandoning ship for more moderate land?

Posted by: skinnydipinacid at November 14, 2012 12:03 AM (WuCLB)






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