Triumph of the Moochers?

Some thoughts from Zero Hedge, via Instapundit, on what it all means.

“Obama’s winning tactic was to do what any respectable man does when he wishes to have something; he bought it. From cell phones and contraceptives to food stamps and unemployment benefits, the Obama administration kept the money flowing to ensure a steady turnout on Election Day. The coup de grâce was painting his opponent as a second coming of Dickens’ Scrooge that was ready to cut the voters from their trust funds. The campaign made no attempt to hide this tactic.”

I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.

It is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having presided over such a disastrous economy, but there it is: Because the economy is so weak, and people are so miserable and just holding on to their fingernails, the Catastrophic President becomes the only lifeline available to many. They wind up caring less about the economy as a general matter, because their survival instincts are just to keep themselves sheltered and fed. They are looking at the current moment, scared as hell of the next.

Which is a bit like welfare addiction, generally: It keeps you dependent on it so you don't search for alternatives which are better for you, both financially and spiritually. And you'll fight like hell to keep on it, because, at the moment, it's what's putting food in your mouth.

It could be that Obama has failed himself into victory. It just might be that he's created such a nightmare of circumstances that far too few people will even listen to persuasion.

Related Thought: I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally -- and it's never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching consequences when you're in such a state. I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes. We need some data, and we need some thinking.

It strikes me that the public made a similar impulsive decision under emotional stress.

Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty.

Posted by: Ace at 03:37 PM



Comments

1

we laughed at the campaigner in chief, remember?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 03:39 PM (b1TCv)

2 first

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 12, 2012 03:39 PM (8MasJ)

3 First!

Posted by: T. Hunter wondering what's next? at November 12, 2012 03:39 PM (EZl54)

4 Worked for FDR right?

1st?

Posted by: DaveA at November 12, 2012 03:39 PM (MOWP1)

5 aw, third.

Posted by: T. Hunter wondering what's next? at November 12, 2012 03:39 PM (EZl54)

6 i should have changed my nick to mitt romney for that one...

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 12, 2012 03:39 PM (8MasJ)

7 ...for me to poop on.

Posted by: Triumph, the OWS Comical Movement at November 12, 2012 03:40 PM (CUi62)

8 There's that saying that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.
I guess the opposite is true. A liberal is now a conservative who got laid off.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 03:40 PM (HDgX3)

9

Posted by: CUS at November 12, 2012 03:41 PM (84pE9)

10

Obama began his reelection campaign in November 2008.

He set out to get at least 50.1% of the vote in 2012 and that's exactly what happened.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 03:41 PM (b1TCv)

11 well I'm glad people are hanging on to their fingernails anyway. Things would suck without them.

Posted by: Biden, Joe, reporting at November 12, 2012 03:41 PM (GdalM)

12 ""I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd
voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year
was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his
house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without
foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt
Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.""


May he live in a cardboard box for the rest of his life. Only an an asshole votes for the frigging stooge that put you in that place to start with.

Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 03:41 PM (FMbng)

13 And he'll make a Hell of a third-term President. It's the next move unless Hillary decides to create a scandal even The Press will report on. That won't be for three years yet, so let's just sit back and enjoy the many benefits of Obamacare, free cell phones, rubbers, Unicorns that sh*t Skittles and all the rest until then.

Posted by: Hillary at November 12, 2012 03:41 PM (71LDo)

14 It is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having presided over such a disastrous economy, but there it is: Because the economy is so weak, and people are so miserable and just holding on to their fingernails, the Catastrophic President becomes the only lifeline available to many. They wind up caring less about the economy as a general matter, because their survival instincts are just to keep themselves sheltered and fed. They are looking at the current moment, scared as hell of the next.

_____________________

The real number of unemployed hit such a critical mass that--

a bad economy pivoted into a selling point for a Democrat President offering --

The Safety Net.

The ultimate Catch-22 trap.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (r2PLg)

15 i think i'll spend the next few weeks seeing how much free shit i can sign up for...

after all, it's not like the economy is going to improve any time soon, especially here in Failfornia, so i might as well get my fair share of the pie. if i can't find a j*b, i might as well at least get back some of the $$ HRH has raped from her check every payday.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (8MasJ)

16 "There's that saying that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.
I guess the opposite is true. A liberal is now a conservative who got laid off."

Truly a fascinating dynamic we're watching play out.

But it all points to PAIN in our future. Math cannot be suspended.

FDR had a war to bail him out.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (MmH0Z)

17 Braka sees 8% unemployment as a feature not a bug.

Also too low.

Posted by: T. Hunter wondering what's next? at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (EZl54)

18 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (8y9MW)

19 The survival instinct is king. This is what we have (already) been reduced to.

Posted by: eleven at November 12, 2012 03:43 PM (KXm42)

20 Just as Vic predicted for months.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:43 PM (8y9MW)

21 The Safety Net--that will ultimately take everyone's true freedom.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 03:43 PM (r2PLg)

22 SOON

Posted by: Math at November 12, 2012 03:44 PM (NF2Bf)

23 Gas prices haven't risen here since the election. In fact they've gone down a few cents. Makes me nervous. I'm waiting for the storm after the calm.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 12, 2012 03:44 PM (DoZD+)

24 When the Safety Net fails a lot of people will learn some good lessons. But not until then.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 03:45 PM (MmH0Z)

25 The Free Shit Army will turn on Obastard when the Free Shit is all gone. Live by Free Shit, die by Free Shit. They'll all be in a world of Shit, but not Free Shit. It will be the Shit that hits the fan. Smells like the open sewers of Venezuela, Cuba and Zimbabwe.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 12, 2012 03:45 PM (t8QfJ)

26 >>>FDR had a war to bail him out.

And a AAA credit rating.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 03:45 PM (0q2P7)

27 In days gone by, grease money flowed from campaigns to potential voters to make them actual voters.

Today, grease money has been replaced by taxpayer money. Not because campaigns are incapable of raising money, but because taxpayer money is perpetual, thus working harder to buy a vote in perpetuity.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at November 12, 2012 03:45 PM (BvTwT)

28 SOON
Posted by: Math at November 12, 2012 03:44 PM (NF2Bf)


I never doubted you. Can I be spared the pain, please?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:45 PM (8y9MW)

29 I tried to tell my dad Romney had an uphil struggle because people still blame the GOP for the economic bomb that went off and because they don't realize the dems were to blame. They only see who was in charge when things crashed, not who built and planted the bomb.
I was afraid something like this might happen. Too many sawobama as a lifeline rather than the anchor that he is.

Posted by: Hard Right at November 12, 2012 03:46 PM (uhftQ)

30 It is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having
presided over such a disastrous economy, but there it is: Because the
economy is so weak, and people are so miserable and just holding on to
their fingernails, the Catastrophic President becomes the only lifeline
available to many.



Obama is the kid who murdered his parents and now seeks leniency because he's an orphan. Unfortunately, in Obama's case it seems to have worked.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 12, 2012 03:46 PM (QKKT0)

31 FDR had a war to bail him out.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid


You rang?

Posted by: Turkey, Nato member at November 12, 2012 03:46 PM (SX6wc)

32 I never doubted you. Can I be spared the pain, please?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart


NO

Posted by: SMOD at November 12, 2012 03:46 PM (NF2Bf)

33
Building a coalition of dependents was the SCOAMTT's plan a long time ago in Chicago.
This is one promise that the SCOAMTT made and kept, did not lie about.

Posted by: Justamom at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (HEWhR)

34 It could be that Obama has failed himself into victory.

Posted by: Ace at 03:37 PM


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Eh? I think this conclusion is self-evident............as in 'water is wet'.

Posted by: Not and Artist at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (uRumV)

35 Just got back from trying to find a petition to sign for OK to secede. I found the one for TX (and they're doing well) but the one I found for OK demands that I create an account with a WH.org site. Are there any others? Seems to me the WH site is just a name-gathering attempt.

Can someone in the know direct me, please.

Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (00XQo)

36 I'm glad people are hanging on to their fingernails anyway.


Come on, Joe! Have a heart.

Posted by: Chris Matthews, weatherman at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (z9HTb)

37 I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally -- and
it's never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching
consequences when you're in such a state. I think we need to get some
perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes.
We need some data, and we need some thinking.

That!!!

Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (kpCLl)

38 "it's never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching
consequences when you're in such a state. I think we need to get some
perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes.
We need some data, and we need some thinking."

yes. absolutely.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (WR5xI)

39 Math/SMOD 2016!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (NF2Bf)

40 "The Free Shit Army will turn on Obastard when the Free Shit is all gone."

No, not really. They would have to up the fantasy of entitlement.
The people that will be turned on will be those who still have jobs.

Posted by: RayJ at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (pI/IV)

41 This reminds me of a story!

When Josef Stalin was on his deathbed
he called in two likely successors, to test which one of the two
had a better knack for ruling the country.

He ordered two birds to be brought
in and presented one bird to each of the two candidates.

The first one grabbed the bird, but
was so afraid that the bird could free himself from his grip and
fly away that he squeezed his hand very hard, and when he opened
his palm, the bird was dead.

Seeing the disapproving look on Stalin's
face and being afraid to repeat his rival's mistake, the second
candidate loosened his grip so much that the bird freed himself
and flew away.

Stalin looked at both of them scornfully. "Bring
me a bird!" he ordered.

They did.

Stalin took the bird by its legs and
slowly, one by one, he plucked all the feathers from the bird's
little body.

Then he opened his palm. The bird was
laying there naked, shivering, helpless.

Stalin looked at him, smiled gently
and said, "You see... and he is even thankful for the human
warmth coming out of my palm."

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 03:48 PM (06lNq)

42 I'm sick and tired of Bronco Bama..... now, about that free shit

Posted by: Yip at November 12, 2012 03:48 PM (Mrdk1)

43 Look at the full stadiums. Americans were afraid they might start to suffer.

Posted by: ryukyu at November 12, 2012 03:48 PM (Cvyuv)

44 At least we finally have some intelligent analysis of why we lost.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 03:48 PM (MmH0Z)

45 No one will be spared. The choice was made and now the price must be paid.

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 12, 2012 03:48 PM (dDHi/)

46 Newt: Stop talking and start thinking

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=220525C7-180C-4004-BB09-0FDE2B29682A

Posted by: Y-not at November 12, 2012 03:48 PM (5H6zj)

47 We can argue Romney's strategic and tactical errors, but that headline sums it up: "The Moochers Won."

America is addicted to welfare, and, sadly, like all addicts, it will have to hit bottom before it realizes it has a problem.

That's why, as many have pointed out here, forcing that bottom sooner than later, by giving Obama his destructive policy preferences, may be the way to go, and is at least worthy of consideration.

Posted by: Martin at November 12, 2012 03:48 PM (MSrqi)

48 So, a week later, we finally figure out why we lost.

Cause voters like it when you tell them you are going to give them free shit.

Duh

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (OWjjx)

49 In the past you could shame the Moochers, but nowadays, people are all about self-esteem and self-absorption so shaming won't work on many of them.

Which isn't to say we shouldn't mock them mercilessly, but there will be limits.

Posted by: Iblis at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (9221z)

50
Ya know on "Handy Manny" all the "good" characters either speak with a Latin accent or entirely fluent Spanish.

My 5 year old asked: How come the show keeps trying telling me Spanish words, but the Flashlight doesn't speak any English but no one is teaching him how to speak English?


Hmmmmmm???

Posted by: meh at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (W2qJe)

51 Are there any others? Seems to me the WH site is just a name-gathering attempt.


Not that I know of. And, yes, it may be. So be it.

FWIW, you have to choose to be sent stupid White House emails, so at least you're not signing up for spam.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (8y9MW)

52 I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes.

Let me clear up my schedule by giving the President what he wants.

brb...

Posted by: John Boehner at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (FcR7P)

53 I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd
voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year
was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his
house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without
foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt
Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.






So he voted for the guy who would ensure that he won't have a job for the next 4 years but no mortgage payments so vote Barry

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (1Jaio)

54 I've always thought that a cure for the moochers and ne'er-do-wells and gangsta's and layabout hipsters and lazy white guys with big guts would be for it to be necessary for them to work in order to eat. Remove all the "safety nets" in other words. And that would only happen here with government collapse, economic depression and societal upheaval.

I don't mean revolution. I mean government bureaucracies with empty pockets, so the piglets will have to do without the sow's teats and thus wean themselves.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (j2McS)

55 Ace is right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these
bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could
take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all
out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and
stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

Posted by: Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (QKKT0)

56 The United States and Venezuela will now serve together on the United Nations Human Rights Council, after both countries won elections today to serve together. Venezuela received 154 votes and is in the Latin American group, while the U.S. received 131 and is in the Western group.

The U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Susan Rice, praised the Human Rights Council in remarks to reporters for “increasingly proving its value.”

“[T]he United States is clearly of the view that the Human Rights Council has its flaws, and I just enumerated a couple of them, including its excessive focus on Israel,” said Rice. “But it is also a body that is increasingly proving its value, and we’ve been proud to contribute to some of what we think are the finer moments of the Human Rights Council: its approach to Syria, its approach to Sudan, its approach to the situation in Libya with the Commission of Inquiry. I could name many other instances—it’s standing up now strongly in support of the protection of the rights of those who are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender.


" lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender. " Ah good now I can sleep secure in my bed tonight? What a bunch of fucking asshole commie fucking panty wastes. We'll never survive the next 4 years

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (79ueO)

57 Gimme that free shit and keep it comin'! Rascist crackers!

Posted by: Obama Fone! at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (ypzqs)

58 >>>I never doubted you. Can I be spared the pain, please?

Oh the Gods of the Copy Book Heading, along with terror and slaughter are about to make a comeback tour.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (0q2P7)

59 I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd
voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year was
that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his
house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without
foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama.

Oh, please, let him be in Ohio and have just had his food stamps snatched back. Oh, please, please, please . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 03:50 PM (kpCLl)

60 Instead of hypothesizing imaginary conservatives, try looking at the actual election results. The hypothesis they do support says many conservatives stayed home in 2008, and even fewer turned out this year. That shouldn't come as any surprise. McCain was RINO enough, but Romney "created" Rombamacare.

Posted by: Born Free at November 12, 2012 03:50 PM (eTWFH)

61 FYI, I'm busy at the moment making more data.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 12, 2012 03:50 PM (UypUQ)

62 L.I.B.
Next Phase:

All conservatives not already enrolled, apply for Food stamps.

Break it. Faster, please.



Posted by: T. Hunter wondering what's next? at November 12, 2012 03:50 PM (EZl54)

63 Sorry, the 'conservative' in your anecdote was never a conservative. He may have talked like a conservative but he was not a conservative.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 03:50 PM (m2CN7)

64
Our little Jersey beach cottage took water in the crawlspace and fried the heater and water heater. After surveying the damage, The Bride and I went for a sandwich. At the counter were little cards with info on how to apply for recovery aid.

I looked at her and asked if maybe we should apply for some money to help repair the units. She said, "You know that money isn't there for us. Only for people who didn't save up for an emegency like this." But it had never occured to either of us until then to ask for help from the government.

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 12, 2012 03:50 PM (r5w1L)

65 Welcome to living when FDR was President.

The solution to this mess is for government to stop spending, but people are now depending on the government. Convincing people that such pain is worth it is difficult.

I'm beginning to thing WWII really was the end of the Great Depression, but not because of the spending. It's because everyone who sacrificed for the war, and knew the level of pain they could cope with. The experience let them laugh at the idea of austerity, because they'd been through worse.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 12, 2012 03:51 PM (4+LTj)

66 Another "lose your job" graphic inspired by Paladine in last night's evening thread for you to share, e-mail, post, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

http://tinypic.com/r/28h0t4n/6

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 03:51 PM (sRIFP)

67 >>>I just heard an anecdote

There are two very fundamental failings of virtue here, both are equally disturbing.

1. He failed to use his vote to do what was best for the country and instead focused on how he could benefit the most.

2. He voted for temporary security over freedom.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 03:51 PM (0q2P7)

68 we will never out left the left, as I was saying other thread, sorry to repeat.

This isn't about politics to the left, it's about patronage.

Therefore, we need to win on issues, not soft sell all policy differences except for economy. Esp when polls said economy was thought to be getting better.

So, instead, learn to communicate shit.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 03:52 PM (QxSug)

69 "I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd
voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year
was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his
house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without
foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt
Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure."

Here's something I posted about two months before Election Day.

I am personally aware of a guy who should, demographically and philosophically, be a core GOP voter. Except he lost his job to downsizing. And could not find another job. He is on disability now. That's his only remaining lifeline.

What's your elevator pitch to this guy about why he should vote Republican?

Because there are tens of millions of people like him. He, and they, could get off the disability teat and go to work, if there were abundant work to be had.

But it's hard to make that pitch when the previous GOP President presided over eight years of downsizing, outsourcing, factories closing left and right, and H-1Bs coming in to take over the remaining American citizens' jobs.

It's even harder when the previous GOP President had zero net private sector job growth over his eight years in office.

As I've said repeatedly before, the Bush family destroyed post-Reagan conservatism. We now have to pick up the shattered fragments the Bushes left us to work with.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 03:52 PM (ymG7s)

70 But, then again, its only money........the fed will just print more.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 03:52 PM (OWjjx)

71 was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama.

He's also living in that house without a job because OF Obama. He voted to make his present his future. Guess what, it won't be his future.

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 03:52 PM (FcR7P)

72 He voted for temporary security over freedom.

What's the finish to that quote? "Deserves neither?"

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 12, 2012 03:52 PM (4+LTj)

73 And anybody who calls themselves a conservative and stayed home during the electionis alsoa fake conservative.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 03:52 PM (m2CN7)

74 Gotta admit, Barky has a sweet, sweet gig the next four years. No accountability for a damned thing, play golf, party, vacation.

Wonder who'll give the prayer at his next coronation? Rev. Wright? Crazy Louie Farrakhan? Father Pfleger?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (UOM48)

75

It's really that simple. People want to believe they are good, and want free stuff.

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (TR60b)

76 In case anyone missed these here are links to the other two "lost your job" graphic cards featuring Big Bird.

http://tinypic.com/r/2h5l55t/6

http://tinypic.com/r/2pp10zc/6

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (sRIFP)

77 Yeah, Obama's third term should be a REAL treat! /sarc

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (tYaDf)

78 Again the government fills a void where the church used to be there to provide in times of need. With so many having abandoned the church over the years, the government and Scoamf is now their savior.

My sister-in-law has 2 relatives that have been living with her, free of charge, for 15 months now, they were both unemployed, one out of unemployment insurance, one almost out. Their offer to help cover some of the costs was to go on food stamps,...and of course they both voted for Obama. I would have had their bags packed and waiting for them when they returned from the polls.

Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (qBtUE)

79
One thing is for sure: 2014 won't be like 2010.
2010 caught the liberals flatfooted. 2012 showed that micro-targeting works. If the liberals got all the Obama voters motivated to vote in the off-year election, the senate won't betaken back.
Republicans better get them some micro-targeting and make it workquick.

Posted by: SnowSun at November 12, 2012 03:54 PM (UAUr6)

80 And anybody who calls themselves a conservative and stayed home during the electionis alsoa fake conservative.
Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 03:52 PM (m2CN7)

And a fucking asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 03:54 PM (79ueO)

81 I said this on twitter, but I still believe it:

Next election, the only polling question should be: are you expecting the government to give you free stuff?

It will be a hell of a lot more accurate than any other polling "science" we have.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 03:54 PM (OWjjx)

82 32
I never doubted you. Can I be spared the pain, please?



Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart



NO


Posted by: SMOD at November 12, 2012 03:46 PM (NF2Bf)

Leave some for me.

Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at November 12, 2012 03:54 PM (9SwFX)

83 As I've said repeatedly before, the Bush family destroyed post-Reagan conservatism. We now have to pick up the shattered fragments the Bushes left us to work with.
You can repeat a foolish thing a million times and it won't make that thing not foolish.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 03:54 PM (m2CN7)

84 Welfare and free stuff makes conservatives become liberals in a hurry.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 12, 2012 03:55 PM (zYCz+)

85 BS...

We lost because the GOP has nothing to say but 'Tax Cuts!!".

Well that ain't going to work. Bush tried it and we went from a balanced budget to double the debt in 8 years. We have to face the fact that some tax increases are needed along with massive cuts in spending.

Big Bird needs to die, but we cannot balance the budget on his corpse.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at November 12, 2012 03:55 PM (7x9pP)

86
"Next Phase:

All conservatives not already enrolled, apply for Food stamps.

Break it. Faster, please. "

Is this even possible for a childless, married, employed, middle-class, melanin-deficient couple? 'Cuz I'm down for some EBT.

Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 03:55 PM (4I3Uo)

87
It could be that Obama has failed himself into victory. It just might
be that he's created such a nightmare of circumstances that far too few
people will even listen to persuasion.

And it's totally an accident. Tooootally.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at November 12, 2012 03:55 PM (HSQgV)

88

No Bailouts for the Blue States that are broke.

Nada.
Not one dime.
It would only delay the burn.

Without bailouts...the profligate spending in those states will become Examples of what a failure Liberal Policies are.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 03:55 PM (ICEh3)

89 I tend to agree with this. I was in eastern OH twice over the election season and while the people may not seem like the type to support Obama, their economy is hanging on by threads.
It would not surprise me in the least to learn how many are dependent on transfer programs for much of their livelihood

Posted by: @huffpeter at November 12, 2012 03:55 PM (NHNJt)

90 FDR had a war to bail him out.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (MmH0Z)


Truthfully, as opposed to the Narrative® of the Church of Liberal Progressive Fundamentalism, even that didn't do it until 48-49; and the post war spending cuts, the huge excess industrial capacity and the fact that we were the only intact manufacturing economy standing.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 03:55 PM (pIJ3e)

91 I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd voted conservative in every past election.


No real conservative would vote for Obama. And how did he vote for a conservative in every election? We haven't had a conservative run since RR.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 03:56 PM (YdQQY)

92 Shorter: "Divide and Conquer"

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 03:56 PM (6JMZR)

93 Anyone who still thinks this is the fault of the Bush's didn't read or understand the demographics of this or the last election.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 03:56 PM (79ueO)

94 I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd
voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year
was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his
house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without
foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt
Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.

=============

Did he stop paying the property taxes too?

Posted by: Tami at November 12, 2012 03:56 PM (X6akg)

95 Two generations ago, food stamps didn't even exist.

And yet the U.S. managed not to have an epidemic of people dropping dead of starvation in gutters.

Posted by: Martin at November 12, 2012 03:56 PM (MSrqi)

96 Maybe Ace is on to something with apocryphal story of the conservative that voted obama.

Romney could have promised a soft recovery, letting people get their bennies as the economy recovered, pointing out that obama's way had no path to recovery

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (QxSug)

97 We need some data, and we need some thinking.


We need a reliable poll of the idiots that sat it out. Obama didn't win, the Republican voters surrendered.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (YdQQY)

98 @82

Piker.

Posted by: New Madrid Fault at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (EZl54)

99 Ace, please. NO MORE DATA.

It has to all crash and the sooner the better. If it doesn't then the Leftists will install an ever more powerful and insidious tyranny upon us - permanently.

And when a crash comes after that, it will be a bloodbath.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (XkWWK)

100 And this is a problem because...?

Posted by: Big Mooch at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (wAQA5)

101 69 What's your elevator pitch to this guy about why he should vote Republican?

I was going to say something similar. Calling him stupid and hoping he dies is not the best sales pitch.

Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (cgOkw)

102 Free Shit Army story: Chicago had a jobs fair for jobs with the CTA, CHA etc. except there aren't any jobs and people just got handed flyers telling them where and how to apply on line for jobs that don't exist. Here's a quote from someone who went to the jobs fair


Rodney Booker said, “I stood in line for four hours.
They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or
something.”


Give him a gift card for standing in line. I imagine that if even if the city would hire him on the spot Rodney wouldn't have taken the work.


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (1Jaio)

103 We lost because the GOP has nothing to say but 'Tax Cuts!!".


I've said it before: we need to become the "Liberty" Party.

We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."
We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."
We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."

See?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (8y9MW)

104 Well we have also removed any incentive for their politicians to tell the truth. I mean their voters dont care if they lie, they actually laugh about it, and then vote them back in.

Telling the truth would actually for them be counterproductive

Posted by: Mr pink at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (X/nTQ)

105 Vote buying always works. It is amazing how giving people a few pieces of silver will cause them to give up their pride, beliefs and ultimately their liberty. Per person it doesn't even take that much money although in aggregate the amount is gigantic.

I know plenty of "conservatives" like the one Ace mentioned. They want to identify with us because they believe in our ideas, but when the chips are down they go along with the libs. Those battleground polls people like Rush talk about that show 40% of the American electorate identifies as Conservative are bullshit for that very reason. Some don't know what it means to be a Conservative ideologically, others go wobbly when they are under duress personally.

Conservatism means everyone must deal with the consequences for their bad decisions. That is how we all learn. However, given what American culture has become, how in the hell are we going to win with that message? The answer is we won't. Until the day when the REAL financial collapse arrives.


Posted by: Ken Royall at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (x0g8a)

106 Vote for me, Nicole. Don't you prefer someone who is going to reattach your head?

Posted by: OJ at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (6JMZR)

107 I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.


Did you ask him to at least give you the courtesy of a reach around? I will freely admit that I am being a hypocrite about this though. I will fight tooth and nail against student loan forgiveness and I will be the first in line to have mine wiped out when, and not if but when, that occurs.


Still. I don't see how you could have listened to that without going off.


Anecdote time. We had a client come in recently who is receiving pretty much every type of assistance there is. We were trying to help her with a problem and she said that NC should do more to help her. My boss, old school lib that he is, asked her what should be done. She quite literally could not articulate what she wanted, all she knew is that it should be more. Her vote counts just as much as mine.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (VtjlW)

108 >>>>> They only see who was in charge when things crashed, not who built and planted the bomb.<<<<<

Because the GOP refused to have that fight when they had leverage. When Wall Street and Treasury started screaming for TARP and they had to have the Republicans votes for the bailout we absolutely positively had to have right away to stop Finace-ageddon the Republicans should have insisted on hearings and fixing the CRA before any funds were released.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 03:59 PM (BF5Y9)

109 So Romney whiffed on numerous opportunities.

Here's one. Romney could have run commercials about illegal immigration, taking the issue head on. Saying with brutal simplicity that he values American citizens having jobs more than he values illegal immigrants having jobs. Framing the issue around work for citizens.

"There are five million long-term unemployed in this country who are U.S. citizens. My first priority is getting those people back to work in good paying, self supporting jobs. And we simply can't do that if those jobseeking citizens have to compete with a flood of cheap illegal labor."

He would have lost Hispanics if he did that, but it's not like he won them anyway.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 03:59 PM (ymG7s)

110 And we need a new party or a Republican party where we are the overwhelming majority. As difficult as it is to fight the tyranny at our throats, we have a Quislings on our side that we have to deal with as well.


Okay, I won't be depressed. My kittehs are here to tell me that it's dinner time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 03:59 PM (XkWWK)

111
Kasper Hauser: "Well that ain't going to work. Bush tried it and we went from a balanced budget to double the debt in 8 years."

I don't disagree with the need to increase revenues somewhat, but this is incredibly vapid for a Moron.

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 12, 2012 03:59 PM (r5w1L)

112 "I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd
voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year
was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his
house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without
foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt
Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure."

That actually makes perfect sense. It's probably why so many folks voted for Obama despite the lousy economy. Because they felt he'd take care of them during these difficult times while Romney would end the gravy train(even if they believed he'd be better at getting the economy turned around).

The catch of course is that the gravy train must come to a stop at some point since we're 16 trillion the hole with no end in sight to the trillion-dollar annual deficits. To say nothing of the 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities hovering over us. It's already happening in fact with the announcement today that the Feds are cutting $3 billion in food stamps to O-I-H-O(funny how they waited a week after the election to announce that).

So once those government checks and benefits dry up and the folks dependent on them still can't find work, all the promises in the world won't help the Dems at the ballot box. These people won't necessarily vote Republican, but they won't exactly be eager to show up to pull the lever for the Democrat Party either. The only downside is the collapse in support for the Dems will coincide with massive civil unrest.

Posted by: Adam_ME at November 12, 2012 03:59 PM (5Grsh)

113 At some point, when all of the "millionaires and billionaires" (i.e. those of us making over $250,000) have been taxed out of existence, there will be no more "rich" to soak for more, ever more money for free shit.
Then, little by little, the free shit will just...go away. Either that, or the "regular folk" will take the place of the "rich", and get taxed out of existence.
Either way, somebody's gonna get pissed.
Pass the popcorn, please.

Posted by: antisocialist at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (j/nZn)

114 Here's another tack.

Show a map of California. List California's
dire economic statistics. Point out that California has the nation's
largest contingent of illegal aliens. Roll some of the many quotes from Democrats
about how illegal aliens are actually a source of economic strength. Let
the disparity between the claims and the reality speak for itself.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (ymG7s)

115 It's really that simple. People want to believe they are good, and want free stuff.

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (TR60b)
Don't forget: He cared about ME.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (MmH0Z)

116 Tax cuts increased tax revenue as it creates a bigger tax base. How many times has that have to be explained?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (qBtUE)

117 Well FDR had Hitler...
we might get China.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (r2PLg)

118

in a little while your moods will change and you'll be pumped for the midterms

Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (b1TCv)

119 We need a reliable poll of the idiots that sat it out. Obama didn't win, the Republican voters surrendered.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (YdQQY)



Yep.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (2rMmy)

120 Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty.

hoom, hoom

Posted by: some Ent at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (XMaKL)

121 117 Well FDR had Hitler...
we might get China.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (r2PLg)



You trying to make me feel bad?

Posted by: 12th Imam at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (XkWWK)

122 The Free Shit Army will turn on Obastard when the Free Shit is all gone.

No, they'll turn on us, because Obama will be living in a fortress in Hawaii cleaning his bong out with hundred dollar bills.

As we settle in to this "new normal", it's going to get harder and harder to pin blame where it belongs. Every day that goes by is a day where everyone forgets a bit about how much more comfortable, secure, and free they used to be -- those memories grow "cold" over time. But the survival concerns of today and tomorrow will always stay "hot" because today is a perpetually moving window.

So the GOP isn't going to win any future battles on a ticket of retribution for the past failures of their opponents. They have to present a much more attractive "going forward" platform than the Democrats, a position made extremely difficult by the latter party's willingness to burn the country to the ground in order to purchase permanent political power.

And this isn't just a temporal problem. The whole "it's the economy, stupid" meme has a fundamental flaw -- it anthropomorphizes this nebulous "economy" thing and allows the individuals steering it into the rocks to avoid direct blame for its unhealthy condition. So on the one hand, you've got a guy directly and personally responsible for forgiving the mortgage default (the one you would've never had before this same guy showed up), and on the other, you've got this deux ex machina of the economy conspiring against you like Galactus simply deciding to eat your planet.

Remember, it's not Obama's fault that the economy blows; it's those damned ATMs. And pretty soon, you won't even care.

Posted by: VJay at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (q5NFp)

123 lolz, remember, obama's reelection pitch was taxes and teachers. Ugh, who bought that shit?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (QxSug)

124 Off muzzie sock

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (XkWWK)

125 "It could be that Obama has failed himself into victory."

Obama's strategy all along, to him a feature, not a bug.

Cloward-Piven strategy FTW.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (A+/8k)

126 103

We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."
We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."
We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."

I like that.

Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 04:02 PM (cgOkw)

127 #29

Indeed. I was appalled when I heard John Kobylt, one of the two guys on the biggest afternoon drive time AM radio show in Southern CA, state casually that Bush was at fault for the MBS debacle.

Now, John isn't a serious reader of anything, as any casual listener can discern. But it is truly dismaying that somebody in hi position doesn't know better and in turn spreads disinformation to the same public he decries for passing Prop. 30.

The financial sector is going to do whatever politicians encourage them to do. Any artificial distortion of a market by the government is an opportunity to profit. To think that those in a position to do so aren't going to react accordingly is imbecilic. To only constraint is the fear of failure and loss. This makes government bailouts the ultimate market distortion.

The real estate debacle had its roots in magical thinking by politicians, who had been told that high home ownership was a sign of a good economy and therefore decided that creating high home ownership by any means at hand would make the economy better. But they had it desperately wrong. High home ownership is the result of a good economy, not a cause. The equation does not work backwards and you cannot cure the disease by disguising the symptoms.


Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:02 PM (kcfmt)

128
I thought it was because we're all filthy abortion-opposing racists. Maybe Hector can explain this to you so you will understand the error of your ways.

Posted by: Achilles at November 12, 2012 04:02 PM (ggRof)

129 I don't disagree with the need to increase revenues somewhat, but this is incredibly vapid for a Moron.

I keep saying this. It is time to do what the Left does and tax our opponets either into extinction or to the point they no longer want to fight. Eliminate the Hollywood Tax breaks, charge the networks for use of the "public airwaves" (I am thinking 20% of "gross" commercial income), starting harrassing the unions over every technical violation of any law..........

It is time to use the power of the federal government to hurt the left, not enable it.,

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 04:02 PM (OWjjx)

130 103 We lost because the GOP has nothing to say but 'Tax Cuts!!". I've said it before: we need to become the "Liberty" Party.We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."See?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (8y9MW)

And in California were not for "porn stars not wearing condoms", we're for "Money shot liberty for professional thespians." We would also be for professional lesbians, but wearing condoms just isn't thier thing.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 04:02 PM (t06LC)

131 "... the Catastrophic President becomes the only lifeline available to many."

And that's how it gets cemented into the public conscience.
When the right proclaims that the left wants a bad economy, to make people dependent, and gets thrashed for saying it, this is what they mean.

Posted by: flashbazzbo, s.e. at November 12, 2012 04:02 PM (i0rVe)

132 121 117 Well FDR had Hitler...
we might get China.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (r2PLg)



You trying to make me feel bad?
Posted by: 12th Imam at November 12, 2012 04:01 PM (XkWWK)

_______________

Well if it's a "numbers" game...

China is full of "win".

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (r2PLg)

133 And we wonder if the socialists know they're actually going to spread misery around.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (6JMZR)

134 I posted this to my Facebook page, in a way to gather some information. After an hour, I've gotten two likes from other conservatives and a comment from my lefty brother in law that "maybe a new party is what we need"

Lefties who usually swarm like buzzards to a shit wagon at any mention of republicans have not responded.

Feel free to cut and paste to your own FB page to see what kind of response you get, if you get any. Don't engage in flame wars, the point is to see if the lefties have anything to sell other than hatred of Republicans

Here it is;

The Republican Party's brand name is damaged beyond repair, and if it's a dead man walking, let's put it out of it's misery.

The question is to leftists; when there's no Republican party, politics like nature abhors a vacuum and surely another party for those not married to the Democrats will arise with an entirely new brand.

What would you do to retain voters? Remember, there is no longer a Republican Party so you can't point out you're not them, because then you're punching at ghosts.

What are your positive selling points?





Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (wwsoB)

135 The food stamp program, part of the Dept of Agri, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amt of food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Dept of Agri, asks us to ‘please do not feed the animals' because the animals may grow dependent & not learn to take care of themselves!

Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (2t6Gz)

136 Romney could have promised a soft recovery, letting
people get their bennies as the economy recovered, pointing out that
obama's way had no path to recovery

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM


That's more or less what he DID do, and it really pissed me off. Of course he was all nice about it, but the underlying message was fiscal sense.

That said, the only hope now is that Boner and the other fuckwits in Congress grow a pair and tell the public "we are now out of money and the Free Shit Cascade has ended." That is the simple truth, as much as Choom Boy's toe-suckers won't want to hear it.

Oh, and Vic (#97): I know you're a sharp guy, but the last thing we need to do is pay any attention to polls for the foreseeable future. Between agonizing over them and rejiggering them, we helped box ourselves into a corner. No polls, amigo.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (yKUrR)

137 Kudlow suspected this would happen and he was right

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (40anC)

138 I think that Obama's generosity with other's money is some of the reason, but it really comes down to enough Obama voters having a sense of optimism regarding the economy.

Without that optimism, there is no way Obama can win, even with buying folks phones, etc. Had the last two months returned dismal economic data, he would have been the one termer he should have been. Enough voters would have either voted for Mitt or stayed away from the polls to turn the election.

Posted by: Pigilito at November 12, 2012 04:04 PM (yw6Yn)

139 Posted in an earlier thread this morning in case anyone missed it. Dedicated to all Morons and Moronettes.

To to tune of Crosby, Stills & Nash
"Just a Song Before I Go".


Just a song before we go
toward Greece we thought they'd learn.
The Obots won, our country's done,
And we say Let It Burn.

Heading through Election Day,
We thought we had this won.
Now were at the Fiscal Cliff,
Time for another gun.

The Lefties wanted Healthcare,
The Chinese gave a loan.
Free tampons and free birth control,
And an Obamaphone.

The takers want more free stuff,
It makes us want to puke.
The makers are now firing,
You get that Sandra Fluke.

(guitar solo)

Just a song before we go
toward Greece we thought they'd learn.
The Obots won, our country's done,
And we say Let It Burn.

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 04:04 PM (sRIFP)

140 I made these same assertions within this very space and was castigated as being 'unfair'.
Guess I was (several days) ahead of my time...

Posted by: Mudshark at November 12, 2012 04:04 PM (5GzEQ)

141 It's really that simple. People want to believe they are good, and want free stuff.



Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (TR60b)


...and that about wraps it up for "compassionate conservatism" ( heave, retch) .

reset
break it.
faster, please.

#LetItBurn





Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 04:04 PM (EZl54)

142 135 The food stamp program, part of the Dept of Agri, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amt of food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Dept of Agri, asks us to ‘please do not feed the animals' because the animals may grow dependent & not learn to take care of themselves!
Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (2t6Gz)

I particularly like the black ladies commercial condoning food stamps

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (40anC)

143 We need more Orca. Plain and simple.

Posted by: scofflawx at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (N1Rjx)

144 #121

Please. A handful of nukes in the right places and you're done. China is a different story.

Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (kcfmt)

145 In order to fix a problem, we have to understand the problem. Right now I don't think we understand the problem.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (WvXvd)

146 I find the fiscal cliff awelcoming solution. We will never be able to expand the tax base doing business as usual. The tax cut policy of the GOP was so successful that it is now backfiring. In exhange for lowered rates at the top, we always had to lower rates at the bottom. This was never done lineraly. Now we have cut people out of the federal tax system altogether. They will never go voluntarily back on. You cannot tax the rich enough, we need a broader tax base.

Further, we obviously cannot just stop unemployment.

So you asked for miracles. I bring you the fiscal cliff. The tax rolls get expanded and unemployment stops. There won't be an election for another 22 months after this happens. This gives us a little time to assess.

Posted by: SH at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (gmeXX)

147 "FDR had a war to bail him out."
==========

HELLO!

Posted by: Crazed Homicidal Islamist Suddenly Barging Through the Door at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (znT2j)

148 Because the GOP refused to have that fight when
they had leverage. When Wall Street and Treasury started screaming for
TARP and they had to have the Republicans votes for the bailout we
absolutely positively had to have right away to stop Finace-ageddon the
Republicans should have insisted on hearings and fixing the CRA before
any funds were released.


Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 03:59 PM (BF5Y9)

Threadwinner!

Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (kpCLl)

149
103 We lost because the GOP has nothing to say but 'Tax Cuts!!".



I've said it before: we need to become the "Liberty" Party.

We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."
We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."
We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."

See?

----------

I agree, AllenG.
What I like about the Republican party...is that it is the party of Freedom.

But this argument falls apart with the abortion issue.
Telling women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to choose an abortion, is contrary to the idea of being the party of Liberty.

There are a lot of men who are pro-choice.
They want to have that option available.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (ICEh3)

150 We need a reliable poll of the idiots that sat it out. Obama didn't win, the Republican voters surrendered.


Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (YdQQY)

Obama still won. Shouldn't have been close enough for this factor to have influenced it.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (MmH0Z)

151 Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty.

Absolutely. Knee-jerk reactions are only as useful for information as letting someone pound on your knee with a hammer and watching whether your knee...
1. Jerks
2. Does not jerk

There is plenty of information that needs to be processed. My main takeaways so far:
1. Should have been a win -- four states and 440,000 votes is actually better then the six states and 1,000,000 votes that McCain lost by.
2. Software suckage- if West Philly precincts can turn out 99% with a printout and a couple of .59 sharpies, then 'Mission Critical' applications are a big waste of money. Notice they aren't called 'Mission Necessary' or 'Mission Would Be Nice'. They are either critical to the success or failure of an election or they are not. I don't think the time to roll out .05 v 1.0 software is Election Day.
3. I think conservatives turned out for Romney this time, but I don't think they turned out for McCain. I have only the slightly blemished
seat of my pants' for this determination... but Ryan. I think evangelicals turned out, too. Same blemish. I don't think the squishy middle, or women wanted to pull the lever for Romney, and I suspect Rowe vs Wade had something to do with it. I've spent a couple decades trying to figure out the difference between what people say they feel -- 'self-report' and what observers notice they actually do -- like election results. I think women 'report' to being opposed to abortion but don't want the option removed. Third rail stuff, imo.
4. It wouldn't surprise me in the least, if some future historian, after all the votes are counted, all the fraud is discounted, all the provisional ballets are compared to people who voted twice in effect, would decide that R/R won by a whisker. But that's not gonna fill my glass with ethanol so...

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 12, 2012 04:06 PM (feFL6)

152 How do you spell win in Chinese?

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:06 PM (r2PLg)

153 62 L.I.B.
Next Phase:

All conservatives not already enrolled, apply for Food stamps.

Break it. Faster, please.

Posted by: T. Hunter wondering what's next? at November 12, 2012 03:50 PM (EZl54)


I can't. Even unemployed, I make too much money.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (pIJ3e)

154 I was out of work for three of the last four years. I'm working now for 30% less than I was in 2008, with a commute that is twice as long with gas prices twice as high. Isure as hell knew who to blame for that.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (aBlZ1)

155 Which is a bit like welfare addiction, generally: It keeps you dependent on it so you don't search for alternatives which are better for you, both financially and spiritually. And you'll fight like hell to keep on it, because, at the moment, it's what's putting food in your mouth.

Bullshit. This is true for weak, pathetic people. Not for the sort of people who gave up comfort and conquered the West. People used to be ashamed to be leeching off of the government. If that shame is gone, that clear guilt that normal Westerners should feel for being burdens to their societies, then we are a different people - at least those who live in this way. No surprise, though, as the left has been pushing depravity of all sorts on society for decades, importing the most pathetic of people who are hostile to the American way fo life, and generally seeking to kill what America is. It took an ineligible Inodonesian without an iota of American sensibilities or cultural attachment sliming into the White House and bringing third world rule to this nation to the finally drive the coffin on America shut.

But don't kid yourself, this is not a "natural" response. It's a pathetic response by weak, repulsive people who couldn't care less about the nation, liberty, or being decent people. Not what America was made of.

I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes

What wholesale changes? The only people talking about wholesale changes are the ones who led us to this. Secession has been the obvious future since 2008. We had the slightest of chances to avert it, but they are now long gone.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (X3lox)

156 "Anyone who still thinks this is the fault of the Bush's didn't read or understand the demographics of this or the last election."

What I saw in this election was a bunch of low income, low education white voters sitting at home on the couch.

Those people got smacked in the chops economically between 2000 and 2008 and they're embittered about it.

On whose watch was that again?

Yes, nonwhite demographics trend against the GOP. But if the party had turned out merely another half million whites last week, out of what's still the largest ethnic bloc by far in the country, we'd be discussing the makeup of the coming Romney cabinet.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (ymG7s)

157 People who want to keep their goodies will blurt out a democrat talking point as an excuse to hide their true motives.

One of the most obnoxious persons I dealt with working phone bank was guy who stated he was a teacher (so we know his motives) and used excuse against Romney as "he wanted GM to go bankrupt!" He wouldn't believe Obama did put GM through bankruptcy with out making it stronger, screwed Delphi, Teacher Union pensions, while being back to their precarious financial condition. He would buy that Romney wanted a structured bankruptcy to make them come out stronger, he stated "that's not what Romney said - Romney said just let them go bankrupt". Ugh. Didn't get a chance to ask what subject he taught.

This guy also didn't know education wasn't in the Constitution and was not a federal issue. Did ask the guy what he thought of Feds paying only 7% towards school operating cost, but shoving all kinds of mandates, interfering with the education process. One point of agreement.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (lGu1O)

158 Please. A handful of nukes in the right places and you're done. China is a different story.
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (kcfmt)


I respectfully disagree.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (3Y7RV)

159 How do you spell win in Chinese?
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:06 PM (r2PLg

o-b-a-m-a

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (79ueO)

160 I think they are already buying choice Cali real estate.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (r2PLg)

161 I keep saying this. It is time to do what the Left
does and tax our opponets either into extinction or to the point they no
longer want to fight. Eliminate the Hollywood Tax breaks, charge the
networks for use of the "public airwaves" (I am thinking 20% of "gross"
commercial income), starting harrassing the unions over every technical
violation of any law..........



It is time to use the power of the federal government to hurt the left, not enable it.,

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 04:02 PM (OWjjx)
This. It's way past time we dropped a nuke on our opponents. We need to play in the Real world, not the abstract world of ideas. We need to attack the media financially and put them out of business.
If we were Democrats, we would be suing them for discrimination, suing them for illegal campaign contributions disguised as news, and we would be Demanding the FCC revoke their license. In other words, we would be trying to HURT them.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (R9579)

162 Essentially, provided this line of thought is correct, there is absolutely nothing the GOP can do outside of offering MOAR FREE SHIT or waiting for it all to collapse.

This is not an attractive choice.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 12, 2012 04:08 PM (SX6wc)

163 http://tinyurl.com/bk2aseo

Cuyahoga County, where Cleveland is located, voted 68% Obama.

This is near Alameda County, CA levels.

MF'N Berkeley!

Can anyone explain this insane number to me?

Posted by: blehzor at November 12, 2012 04:08 PM (s9K+V)

164 The problem is it now boils down to running against Santa. That is what the problem is.

So you either become him or you wait for his mask to come off.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 04:08 PM (MmH0Z)

165 159 How do you spell win in Chinese?
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:06 PM (r2PLg

o-b-a-m-a
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:07 PM (79ueO)

_________________

I was tired the other night, and talking to some poor victim....


I accidentally called Obama President Omega....


good one!

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:08 PM (r2PLg)

166
Can anyone explain this insane number to me?

Posted by: blehzor at November 12, 2012 04:08 PM (s9K+V)

Yep, they cheated. Not that it matters now.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (3Y7RV)

167 From Abe Greenwald:


Barack Obama ushered in America’s first large-scale experiment in
personality-cult politics. The experiment continues apace. Obama got
reelected because he enjoys a degree of personal popularity disconnected
from his record. No modern president has ever been returned to office
with employment figures and right-track-wrong-track numbers as poor as
those Obama has achieved.

Obama couldn’t run on his record, which proved to be no
problem—Americans didn’t vote on his record. According to exit polls, 77
percent of voters said the economy is bad and only 25 percent said
they’re better off than they were four years ago. But since six in ten
voters claimed the economy as their number one issue, it’s clear this
election wasn’t about issues at all.

The president’s reelection is not
evidence of a new liberal America, but rather of the illogical and
confused experience that is infatuation. For multiple reasons, Americans
continue to have a crush on Barack Obama even after his universally
panned first term. No longer quite head over heels, they’re at the “I
know he’s no good for me, but I can change him” phase. Whatever this
means, it surely doesn’t suggest conservatives would be wise to move
closer to policies that aren’t even popular among Obama supporters.

Why isn’t soul searching underway on the left? When the personality
at the center of the cult leaves the stage in four years, Democrats will
own his results without the benefit of his appeal. We can’t know quite
what a second Obama term will bring, but if his first term is an
indication, there’s little reason to expect his party will be crowing.
The fiscal cliff is here but a whole landscape of steep drops comes
next: the economic cliff (over which lies a possible double-dip
recession), the Obamacare cliff (over which lies an unprecedented
bureaucratic behemoth), the Iran cliff (over which lies a nuclear bomb),
and so on. A precipice in every direction and a president who’s given
us no reason to presume he can steer clear. Have Democrats stopped to
wonder what initiatives they’ll have to defend when the dust settles in
2016?

Already Obama has signaled he’s continuing policies that don’t meet
the moment. There’s the assurance of more taxes, of course. But that’s
not all. On Friday, citing ecological concerns, the administration
closed off 1.6 million acres of federal land in western states from
planned oil shale extraction. An American energy boom lies in wait
underground and Obama is determined to keep it there. Abroad, the
groundwork is being laid to offer Iran a fanciful “grand bargain” in an
effort to halt its work on a nuclear weapon. Think “Russian reset” with
fanatical theocrats.

Perhaps Democrats are confident purely because of their stance on
social issues. But as a tactical matter (principle and ideology are a
different question), is doesn’t make sense for Republicans to fret over
the culture and identity wars that have transfixed the left. Gay
marriage as a presidential issue is off the table. The November election
showed the future of that question lives at the state level, which is
both a popular and conservative approach. Obama himself has said he’ll
do nothing about it nationally. Multiple polls taken this year show
opposition to abortion is at least as high as it’s been in 15 years. By
2016, the new class war will surely have wound down after Americans see
that making the “rich pay their fare share” didn’t solve everyone else’s
problems and in fact created new ones.

On immigration reform, of course conservatives should act. That was
true before Obama’s reelection; it’s now inevitable. In the next four
years, serious Republicans will offer policies aiming to give foreign
workers a path to citizenship. Leaders like Marco Rubio have already
gotten a brilliant head start.

It is in the nature of personality cults to fail at most things
beyond generating and disseminating propaganda. This inability is the
result of two things. First, the personality’s popularity is not
results-driven. Since adoration hasn’t been earned by achievement but by
the advent of charisma, why kill yourself trying to get results.
Second, few people are willing to candidly critique the personality at
the center of the cult, so there is little chance of course correction.
None of this bodes well for Barack Obama. And for the country’s sake,
let’s hope it’s wrong.

To effect a revolution in American politics, you have to set
parameters that successors will be compelled to heed. FDR implemented
programs that at least produced identifiable results before revealing
their unsustainable flaws. Bill Clinton had no problem declaring the age
of big government over because Ronald Reagan had ushered in a
prosperous era in which this was so. What part of the Obama agenda will
resonate when isolated from the Obama phenomenon? It’s too soon to say,
but not too soon wonder.

Posted by: LTC Graham at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (SwEjg)

168 40"The Free Shit Army will turn on Obastard when the Free Shit is all gone."

No, not really. They would have to up the fantasy of entitlement.
The people that will be turned on will be those who still have jobs.
Posted by: RayJ at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (pI/IV)We'll all be in the same world of Shit. The world economy will collapse after the dollar is quantitatively eased to nothing. We'll wake up one morning, maybe even tomorrow morning, and hyperinflation will kick in and everyone's money in the bank will visibly sublimate as prices rise exponetially.Everyone will be trying to dump their currency or whatever digits their bank account has for some tangible item that has some value in the real world. What Obama has done is like what FDR did, get elected by Ponzi, except Obama has done it at the top of the pyramid instead of the bottom. The economy as it relates to the government has exhausted its design margin.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (t8QfJ)

169
Really thats why we need to let the system burn.while people still have hope they can hang on to their stuff by fee loading off the government they vote to keep the big government party in power.but when they lose everything then and only then will they turn their wrath on the party that failed them

Posted by: kj at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (AW9md)

170 Obama is the kid who murdered his parents and now
seeks leniency because he's an orphan. Unfortunately, in Obama's case it
seems to have worked.


Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 12, 2012 03:46 PM

Not the first time either !!!

Posted by: The Menendez Brothers at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (wwsoB)

171 I don't believe the story about the conservative voting for Obama. He won with a little fraud and conservatives staying home.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (R8hU8)

172 Between agonizing over them and rejiggering them, we helped box ourselves into a corner. No polls, amigo.


Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (yKUrR)

We need to know why they sat it out. And yes, enough did that in key States to give Obama the election.

Did they sit it out because they didn't like Romney's record? That is a key question and it would tell the RNC leadership they need to fix some shit in how we nominate our candidates.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)

173
When China implodes it's going to be hard to borrow money.

Then again, it will be hard to collect as well.

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (TR60b)

174 "How do you spell win in Chinese?"
==========

Aggressively. With tanks.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (znT2j)

175 What really needs to happen?
Here it is - we need to say to hell with "electability". Screw the independents...time for them to make their f'ing minds up. Screw the "undecideds"...know what they are? Attention whores, loving the hell out of being the object of everyone's undying devotion right up to the very end of the election cycle.
Electability didn't get Romney elected this time, did it? Nor did it get McRINO elected in '08. So, time to show the public some tough love. Put someone out there who isn't afraid of offending anyone by pointing out that the Emperor really is butt ass nekkid.
If debating the real issues, without fear of repercussions from the Old Guard of the GOP, doesn't win us any popularity contests, it will damn sure get those issues out there where they can't be ignored or denied out of existence.
It's too late for this election...but not too late for this country. In fact, it needs to start right now, as soon as the sting of November 6th eases up a little bit.

Posted by: antisocialist at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (j/nZn)

176 We could save a lot of discussion and handwringing by getting to the bottom line - find a way to band together and fight the propaganda machine. The propaganda is what got choom boy elected and then reelected. Period.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 04:10 PM (6JMZR)

177 Restrict the suffrage. That's the only way to stanch the flow at this point.

But it will NEVER happen.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 12, 2012 04:10 PM (+inic)

178 osted by: LTC Graham at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (SwEjg)

Too much readin dude. Ever hear of an executive summar?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 04:10 PM (3Y7RV)

179 178 osted by: LTC Graham at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (SwEjg)

Too much readin dude. Ever hear of an executive summar?
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 04:10 PM (3Y7RV)

Summary=summar.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (3Y7RV)

180 155 Secession has been the obvious future since 2008.

Huh? It must not be too obvious because I don't see anyone working on it.

Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (cgOkw)

181 In order to fix a problem, we have to understand the problem. Right now I don't think we understand the problem.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (WvXvd)


The problem is simple. Due to Liberals in Education, the public is stupid. Due to Liberals in Media, the Public is misinformed.
The Common denominator is liberals in positions of influence. We need to get them out of these positions of influence.





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (R9579)

182 You need some data? 41% voted for Carter in 1980 and 51% voted for the SCOAMT.

I got the slope of the curve. It is going to take a few years to escape, but hopefully I will be able to watch the USA burn from a safe distance.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (SDkq3)

183 We need to know why they sat it out. And yes, enough did that in key States to give Obama the election.


Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)
We know why. Because they want it to burn - whether you agree with that or not. You're not going to convince them otherwise. That is the lesson from this election.

Posted by: Duh! at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (Zs83Q)

184 I blame Bush for a lot of this. But not for the "damaging our brand" reason.

The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts took tens of millions of people off the tax rolls completely with the $1000 child tax credit and the creation of the 10% tax bracket. That was a gigantic mistake as it made those people not care about taxes anymore.

Someone who owed $500-1000 in taxes every year all of a sudden owed nothing. And since he pays no taxes, when Obama says vote for me and I'll give you more free shit, he says, hell yeah!! Had he still been paying $1000 a year in taxes he might have thought for a second "yeah but won't my taxes also have to increase?".

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (HDgX3)

185
It's possible that the only thing people like more than free shit is feeling virtuous.

Get them to fight corruption and they might forget about Uncle Sugartits for a minute.

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (TR60b)

186 win=yuan

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (r2PLg)

187 You win some, you lose some. Romney was a terrible candidate given more credibility than he deserved because of his wealth. He was a decent person, a family man, a pillar of his church, but the average person could not relate to him or understand why he was running for office except that he could afford to. Most of his own party held their noses to vote for him and many others could not even manage that. And yes, this is what happens when you put austerity on the ticket. Ryan is smart, but nobody wants to hear about sacrifices that will have to be made without specifics. There was a long list of things Romney refused to address, and Ryan did nothing to reassure the voters' skepticism. He would not release his tax forms, he would not talk about Romneycare and how it differed from Obamacare, he would not respond to the Bain attacks, he ran to Perry's right on immigration, he couldn't turn around his 47% remark to address entitlement reform and the economy, ostensibly the reasons he was running for office. Which makes you wonder whether he was the turnaround artist he claimed to be or just a guy who won the sperm lottery and happened to also have a strong work ethic. Admirable in a manager, but America was looking for leadership and Obama seemed to want it more. Republicans underestimated their opponent and nominated a weak candidate, though probably their best.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (i0vBR)

188 ::::Related Thought: I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally -- and it's never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching consequences when you're in such a state. I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes. We need some data, and we need some thinking.::::

We need purges. Massive purges.

Incidentally, join my Death's Head Legions today and receive 10 credits at the Pleasure Battalion, as well as a canvas EoJ tote bag, good for shopping, carrying plunder, or as a gag when interrogating enemies of the Empire.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (ll6WS)

189 For multiple reasons, Americans continue to have a crush on Barack Obama even after his universally panned first term.

Universally-panned?

Certainly not by the State Media.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 04:13 PM (XMaKL)

190
Has anyone contemplated the possibility that cat piss is still with us posting with a new name and hashtag? There's a good possibility her old IP got changed after the storm.

Maybe it's just me, but some of the stupid crap that's been said here since the election smells like cat piss.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 12, 2012 04:13 PM (tOkJB)

191 I got your data right here:

http://is.gd/WZpZLl

NSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:13 PM (GsoHv)

192 >It is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having presided over such a disastrous economy



Funny how you can't understand this is the exact reasoning no one, not even Republicans, really wanted Romney in.

No one wanted a return to Bush Co era economics. Obama did a shitty job, Romney would have been worse.

Oh, and no war but class war!

Posted by: palooka at November 12, 2012 04:13 PM (aNlIg)

193
Demonize democrats.
Find a way to punish them with taxes.
Profit!

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 04:13 PM (TR60b)

194 >>>>Did they sit it out because they didn't like
Romney's record? That is a key question and it would tell the RNC
leadership they need to fix some shit in how we nominate our candidates.



Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)

Also, if you think the RNC leadership (quite a joke) is going to fix anything you're delusional. The RNC lost when they caved on the debt ceiling. That was the end of the GOP. They were elected to stop it and they didn't. End of story.

Posted by: Duh! at November 12, 2012 04:13 PM (Zs83Q)

195
Sour.Grapes.

Posted by: Jess Sayin at November 12, 2012 04:14 PM (PtxEO)

196 But this argument falls apart with the abortion issue.
Telling
women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to
choose an abortion, is contrary to the idea of being the party of
Liberty.

There are a lot of men who are pro-choice.
They want to have that option available.


Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (ICEh3)

Roe v Wade and Dred Scott v Sanford are cut from the same cloth; The notion that certain classes of people are just property.Women have the freedom to avoid pregnancy. Once you've created a life, that ship has sailed.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:14 PM (R9579)

197 Oh the Gods of the Copy Book Heading, along with terror and slaughter are about to make a comeback tour.


Posted by: MiketheMoose is shrugging

Yep.

I've been wondering when they will limp up to explain it once more for a while, now.

The desired impossible is about to meet the disastrous possible with a resounding crash.

Posted by: Dianna at November 12, 2012 04:14 PM (mKMj1)

198 It was a victory of the Moochers. But it was also a victory of the haters.....the haters who are not rich and hate everyone who is. Obama's "revenge" comment was not a slip or a mistake......it was aimed for this crowd.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 04:14 PM (OWjjx)

199 Universally-panned?

Certainly not by the State Media.


Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 04:13 PM (XMaKL)

They're not done releasing stories about 2008-12 yet. Gonna take awhile.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 04:14 PM (MmH0Z)

200 >>>Big Bird needs to die, but we cannot balance the budget on his corpse.

Review Hauser's law as many times as it takes to sink in that you aren't going to get a bunch more money by raising taxes. You *might* get a little more like 1 or 2 % AS A PROPORTION TO GDP, but in real terms the resulting suppression in GDP will compensate and you will ultimately end up with less money in the long term.

Taxes, at least how it is being discussed today, are nothing more than a bludgeon of social justice. Not a well thought method to raise revenue.

We may not be able to balance the budget on Big Birds corpse the answer is to stack up corpses of other programs. Raise taxes and we will get further, not closer, to our goal of a balanced budget.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 04:14 PM (0q2P7)

201 Maybe? I've been saying this ever since election night. Never over-analyze or draw conclusions in the immediate aftermath of a major loss (or victory). Things always seem like a much bigger and more permanent deal at that time. Hopefully, we will all look back and laugh at the Serious Conservatives who have already been insisting that the party kick out social conservatives, promote amnesty, and give in to 0bama on the fiscal cliff.

Posted by: Matt at November 12, 2012 04:15 PM (ljiM/)

202 "Truimph of the Moochers"
or
Catching the Boat (That One Should Miss)

Richard Fernansez, at pjmedia ( http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012/11/11/missing-the-boat/?singlepage=true )

has an interesting article.

Bottom line:
- The racial divisions he has aggravated and exploited,
- the vast sums of our money he has spent (unwisely and to poor effect),
- his basic lawlessness (EOs, failure to respect existing laws, F&F, and now Benghazi) and
- ObamaCare, his monogrammed financial disaster,

... will emerge, like a giant pimple, during his reign ... and there will be only BO and a few, named, Democrats to blame.


I expect REPORTED unemployment to be up to 10-12% by May (other commenters say slightly more).

I know a few people, ardent Obamabots, who stand to see their healthcare skyrocket, and in the case of a Latino, he might see his hours cut and his employer end all company health benefits by the end of this year ... He's a good guy, but I think he has no idea what is about to happen to him ...

I think the pain known as ObamaCare is the thing that will make 2014 make the 2010 US Congressional results look like a Democratic Victory.

... heh ...

Posted by: Arbalest at November 12, 2012 04:15 PM (RrmXU)

203 My President won a second term. Too bad for him and too bad for us. The worst will eventually happen so be prepared. One has to understand correct principles and apply them otherwise you get what we have now and it will continue to get worse. It will not get better anytime soon, maybe not in our lifetime. We are far gone baby.

Posted by: DumboTheAvenger at November 12, 2012 04:16 PM (BvTwT)

204 I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.

One difference with this guy is that he actually admits that it's about Free Shit. Most of the Free Shit Army gets very offended at the insinuation that they want something for nothing, and spout out slogans like "economic justice" and "fairness"

The difference between America and Greece is that the Greeks have someone bigger than them to bail them out, and the German banks have to keep the pretense of getting paid back in order to stave off total collapse

When our free shit trough is empty, there's no one bigger than us to bail us out

Posted by: The Menendez Brothers at November 12, 2012 04:16 PM (wwsoB)

205 20 percent of the electorate agrees with socialism. The media is worth another 10 points. The auto-victim group vote is worth another 5 to 10. The education system is another 5 to 10. That leaves us fighting to get about 90% of the remaining vote in order to win. That's where we are.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 04:16 PM (6JMZR)

206 When China implodes it's going to be hard to borrow money.

Then again, it will be hard to collect as well.



Yeah, the one good thing about China moving on Siberia and Putin nuking the ever loving motherfuck out of them is that hey at least there's no one who we owe money to any more. So we've got that going for us.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 04:16 PM (VtjlW)

207
172....
Did they sit it out because they didn't like Romney's record? That is a key question and it would tell the RNC leadership they need to fix some shit in how we nominate our candidates.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)

-----------

First we were told, that "Anyone could win" against Barky.
That was bullshit.

This encouraged people who had no business even running...thinking that they had a shot.

The Primaries were a total clusterfuck.
How many of those dumbass debates were there? ...a dozen?
And all but one of them, were controlled by the DNC media.

I repeat...a total clusterfuck.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:17 PM (ICEh3)

208 It strikes me that the public made a similar impulsive decision under emotional stress.

Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty.


Ace, there arerinos inour party who want to go full Rahm on us and not let this crisis go to waste (and yourbuddy Domenech is almost as bad asFrum). These people got the moderate candidate of their dreams and had the culture war neutral, toothless,inoffensive, no-negativecampaign theyalwaysdreamt of and after it was proven to be a clusterfuck, they lecture us about whats wrong with conservatism. Degenerate assholes, all of 'em.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 12, 2012 04:17 PM (IMxlS)

209 I fucking hate armchair quarterbacks.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 12, 2012 04:17 PM (waJ+2)

210 Incidentally, join my Death's Head Legions today and
receive 10 credits at the Pleasure Battalion, as well as a canvas EoJ
tote bag, good for shopping, carrying plunder, or as a gag when
interrogating enemies of the Empire.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (ll6WS)
----------------
Well now, I have mostly pining away for SMOD since Tuesday evening but this sounds like just the thing. How does one join the Totenkopf Legions? This pleasure battalion....are the elbows...um...sharp?

Posted by: Muad'dib at November 12, 2012 04:17 PM (KjlbF)

211 Yeah, the one good thing about China moving on Siberia and Putin nuking the ever loving motherfuck out of them is that hey at least there's no one who we owe money to any more. So we've got that going for us.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 04:16 PM (VtjlW)

________________

That's so--how shall I say it--

Nixonian.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (r2PLg)

212 The thing about the worst thing that could happen is there is always a worst, worst thing that could happen. Thus we must live with no regrets. This time forward, really meant backward.

Posted by: madamex at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (+kvQd)

213 I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally -- and
it's never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching
consequences when you're in such a state. I think we need to get some
perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes.
We need some data, and we need some thinking.

Posted by: Ace at 03:37 PM

There has to be a full autopsy of team romney and his campaign.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (AWmfW)

214 Also, if you think the RNC leadership (quite a joke) is going to fix anything you're delusional. The RNC lost when they caved on the debt ceiling. That was the end of the GOP. They were elected to stop it and they didn't. End of story.

This concept that the RNC leadership is all powerful and whatever is crap. The RNC Leadership can't decide what the hell to order for lunch. If the RNC leadership was so powerful, how come Akin stuck in the race? That is exactly how powerful the RNC is: they could not force a broke, barely known little Congressman out of race when everyone told him to go. So stop this idea that the "all knowing and powerful" RNC is going to do dick.

Want to change the party.....get off your ass, get involved locally and work like hell. That is it. Work and donate to the candidates you support. Each state can set their own rules.

And can we just agree that the field for the last 2 cycles has sucked....which is the price you pay for wipeouts in 2006 and 2008.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (OWjjx)

215 If we all kill ourselves now, we can be the first oneson Hale Bopp, and then we can use our majority to enact draconian immigration policies that prevent the lefties from getting on board.

Posted by: entropy at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (TULs6)

216 I'm going to say it...

We need an entirely new style of government.

Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (GQ8sn)

217 <<I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd
voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year
was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his
house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without
foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt
Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.>>

Then that person is a complete idiot. I have been unemployed since January 2011 and am about to reach the end of my 99 weeks unemployment. Instead of voting for an incompetent moron who would wave his wand and magically fix everything, I went back to University last Spring.

It never once occurred to me that Romney would hasten the end of my unemployment, because that's a goal I'm working toward myself.

There are only two classes of people on the Left: the "non-producers" and the "Unproductive wealthy elite." The non-producers are obvious, the unproductive wealthy elite are those who became wealthy without doing much work for it (Hollywood types who think three months of 18 hour days is actual "work", especially when there a craft table nearby 24/7...and a masseuse ...those who inherited their wealth; John Kerry and his wife; who feel guilty about being rich without earning it...and the speculators; people like Soros, Buffet, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates...people who got wealthy by speculatory opportunism without having to do any real work.) Anyone in the middle class who's a Leftist are those who grew up being taught that Reagan was evil and Republicans are racists, etc.

...and I'm beginning to believe that since voter irregularities occurred in every single key battleground state that Obama didn't actually win this one.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (URVw/)

218 Speaking of the Free Shit Army, where has Mary Clogginstein of Brattleboro VT been lately? Come on sock masters, snap out of it !!

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (wwsoB)

219
Do we know who didn't turn out? Was it SoCons?

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 04:19 PM (TR60b)

220 144 #121

Please. A handful of nukes in the right places and you're done. China is a different story.
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (kcfmt)


Cloward-Piven got us here. Stealth Sharia will be next. Then, all your nukes are belongs to us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (XkWWK)

221 Do we know who didn't turn out? Was it SoCons?

It was the crab people!

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (QF8uk)

222 FWIW, you have to choose to be sent stupid White House emails, so at least you're not signing up for spam.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (8y9MW)


-------------------------------------------


Tried to get back to it, but got a 404 and a WH office menu. They've taken it off?

Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (00XQo)

223
Yeah, the one good thing about China moving on Siberia and Putin
nuking the ever loving motherfuck out of them is that hey at least
there's no one who we owe money to any more. So we've got that going
for us.


Provided, the Chinese don't nuke them first.

Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (GQ8sn)

224 Worth a reprise on this thread:


201 Meanwhile, in OHIO:

http://tinyurl.com/blf4e48

The timing on this is funny and especially when you consider that the state was won by a grand total 100,000 votes...played for chumps

Posted by: Barack Obama as Augustus at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (4eNxd)

225 Part of this is because the relationships between men and women have broken down. What is the number of women who are living without husbands right now many of them raising children? Among white women it's grown quite a bit I believe and of course in black communities it's pretty rare for a woman to be married. Much easier to vote for dependency on government when you don't have the support at home.

Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (pdhxN)

226
We need to know why they sat it out. And yes, enough did that in key States to give Obama the election.

Did
they sit it out because they didn't like Romney's record? That is a key
question and it would tell the RNC leadership they need to fix some
shit in how we nominate our candidates.


Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)

I read yesterday that Ohio voters sat out the election because they were Mad at Romney for opposing the Auto bailout. Don't know if it 's true, but it certainly sounds plausible to me.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (R9579)

227 212
The thing about the worst thing that could happen is there is always a
worst, worst thing that could happen.

Yeah, SMOD and the total annihilation of the universe!

Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (cgOkw)

228 181 In order to fix a problem, we have to understand the problem. Right now I don't think we understand the problem.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (WvXvd)


This.

Right now everyone is tossing out magic bullet solutions that just happen to match whatever axes they were grinding during the primaries. Until the final ballot counts are in and we do some serious analysis of the voters who we expected to vote against Obama but didn't we won't know enough to come up with effective (as opposed to personally satisfying) solutions.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (pAlYe)

229 In 2016 the Republicans should have no debates on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Especially CNN. Call it the Candy Crowley Consequence.

These mother F ers do not want us to win and do everything in their power to ruin us.

ABC and Snufolufogus started the contraception/war on women question during the primary.

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 04:21 PM (sRIFP)

230 We could save a lot of discussion and handwringing
by getting to the bottom line - find a way to band together and fight
the propaganda machine. The propaganda is what got choom boy elected and
then reelected. Period.

Posted by: The Mega Independent. at November 12, 2012 04:10 PM (6JMZR)

Yes it is. The Media is our enemy, and they are the greatest threat to this nation because they steer the Electorate.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:21 PM (R9579)

231 I was thinking the Muzzies should attack north and eastward, into China and Russia.

And all that will be left will be the US.

The Blofeld strategery.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (XkWWK)

232 Though I will say I wish Perry could have got it together. Maybe debates shouldn't matter so much going forward.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (i0vBR)

233 I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes. We need some data, and we need some thinking.

-----------------------------------------------------

The only think that you need to know is that increased dependency allowed for the result last Tuesday. A dependence that is about to go full-on steroid/meth/coke sky high in 2014. Obamacare will ultimately provide free/crazy subsidies for all taxpayers with an AGI below $90k. Once a vast swath of the population gets a taste of "free" HC no small govt. R will ever get reelected again. I don't think that the Republicans need structural/doctrinal changes per se. The real question is whether we can even exist in the political landscape that is fast approaching.

Posted by: volfan at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (RTb48)

234 Restrict the suffrage. That's the only way to stanch the flow at this point.



But it will NEVER happen.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 12, 2012 04:10 PM (+inic)

Correct. The 24th and 26th Amendments were Horrible mistakes.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (R9579)

235 epobirs,

Ground burst a couple of cobalt salted nuclear devices at the headwaters of the Yangtze and Yellow Rivers respectively and China is done.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (BF5Y9)

236 #158

Mecca and Medina. Tehran, Islamabad, and a few others possibly. If Allah allows these place to become glassy plains it seriously takes the wind out of the sails for the sympathizers who make it possible for the likes of Al Qaeda to operate.

The mullahs know they lose overnight if it comes to a declared war by the west, rather than war on an abstract concept such as Terrorism. This is why they've done far less than they potentially could, for fear of waking the beast they've been poking with a toothpick.

Somebody being taken seriously as the 12th Imam and declaring hostilities is a step towards the end game. It doesn't matter if they manage to put a few atom bombs in western cities. For every one of those we can deliver dozens and any place we lose will just be rebuilt down the road. They cannot replace the destination of the Haj.


Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (kcfmt)

237 Drudge must be an asshole to keep that pic of hillary up all day. giving me a bad case of the shits

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (79ueO)

238 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (OWjjx)

For a fucking RINO, you make sense.

In fact, the lack of message control is why we can't win. The Democrats are cocksucking pieces of shit, but they march in lockstep because the party apparatus cracks the whip. They are always on message, and they win!

If we don't control our own...how can we convince people to vote for us?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (GsoHv)

239 So in 1992 we had a mild recession. And since there had been a decade of comfortable Reagan prosperity before that, the country was unused to even slight economic setbacks, and the electorate freaked out.

Instead of a calm, disciplined response, the GOP had an odd, uncoordinated, undisciplied reply, with various party figures going off on their own weird tangents. Meanwhile, the Democrats had "It's the economy, stupid." That plus Perot cost us the '92 election.

Part of the uncoordinated response by the GOP was Pat Buchanan speaking at the '92 national convention.

To swing voters who had lost their jobs and, for the first time in ten years were having trouble finding another one, the Buchanan response was, "Culture war commence! Form up by squads and fix bayonets!"

I heard that and said, "We're fucked," and so we were.

I argued to get rid of Buchanan before he did more damage. However, I also said at the time that there were elements of Buchananism that were potentially useful and that should not be flushed with him. Key among which was... protectionism.

Say what you will about Pat Buchanan, he has been an absolutely unwavering voice against allowing the jobs of ordinary working Americans to be exported overseas. He has repeatedly warned of our economic and industrial base being hollowed out. He is unapologetically for high tariffs.

And it's time to admit that about that, at least, he may have been "right from the start", in his phrase.

How many low income, low education whites in the upper Midwest might have voted for the GOP instead of staying home, if the GOP had been stronger advocates of keeping them employed in jobs that instead have been offshored?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (ymG7s)

240 If you can't fend for yourself, you'll be in the first wave of those who die.

Posted by: Roy at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (VndSC)

241 The first thing is to get a new Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (+I8Mq)

242 Incidentally, join my Death's Head Legions today and
receive 10 credits at the Pleasure Battalion, as well as a canvas EoJ
tote bag, good for shopping, carrying plunder, or as a gag when
interrogating enemies of the Empire.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (ll6WS



This Pleasure Battalion of which you speak....I assume there will be one for the Moronettes?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (UOM48)

243 I'm tired from reading all these comments. Where's my cookie?!?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 04:24 PM (z9HTb)

244 Yes, the auto bailout sold OH for the JEF.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:24 PM (YdQQY)

245 The essay by Tyler Durdin and the one by Abe Greenwald at Commentary Magazineare the two best post election analysis I have seen so far. Not the bullshit by the pundits about how the R Party has to fold on amnesty and start pandering to gays. Or how it's the Tea Party's fault again.

Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 04:24 PM (VDovR)

246

Fox News Confirms U.S. Was Holding Prisoners At Benghazi Annex…

CIA contractors had captured three Libyan prisoners who they handed over to the Libyan authorities when they fled Benghazi. Now we never knew who those prisoners were; we didn’t know what ended up happening to them but we have now learned that those three prisoners had been held for a few days at the annex and more than just Libyan militia members were held there. There may have been prisoners from other African countries maybe even the Middle East. They were interrogated allegedly by CIA contractors.

The CIA denies this saying the CIA has not had detention authority since January 2009. That’s when the President signed executive order 13491. The CIA claims any suggestion that the agency is still in the detention business is “uninformed and baseless.”

??? Who knows, but that sure sounds like a reason to lie.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:24 PM (79ueO)

247 3 generations of indoctrinated Pod People got us here. What they learned in school, was reinforced by a corrupt media and culture.

Hence, the default position is that Conservatives are not a different viewpoint to be debated, they are evil and are to be shunned and ultimately destroyed.

How do we fix a broken culture? Clearly not by elections. At least not for the forseeable future, if ever again.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (XkWWK)

248 Where's my cookie?!?

I redistributed it into my mouth.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (XMaKL)

249 I'm going to say it...
We need an entirely new style of government.
Posted by: EC


We lost by 3%.

Get a grip.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (SX6wc)

250
ABC and Snufolufogus started the contraception/war on women question during the primary.
----------------------------------------
No he didn't. It was started almost 2 years ago on far left blogs. They creative a narrative that stupid media people could follow. It even had alliteration!

They relentlessly beat this meme so that it became real. Don't get me wrong, it's bullshit, but they stuck to it day after day for years.

And it worked.

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (TR60b)

251
196....Women have the freedom to avoid pregnancy. Once you've created a life, that ship has sailed.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:14 PM (R9579)

------------

This applies to men as well.
Men have the freedom to avoidcausing a pregnancy.

When all men value being a father, and look upon it as one of the most gratifying things that they can ever undertake...then there will be a lot fewer abortions.

It's getting better.
Attitudes towards being a father have been changing for the good.
But there are still a lot of guys out there who look upon fatherhood as a nuisance.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (ICEh3)

252 Benghazi makes Watergate look like jaywalking.

If a Rep. was president he/she would have been thrown out already, and the media would have had a shitter over an incident like this.

Hard to fight anything when the truth is covered up and not reported.

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (sRIFP)

253 Fox News Confirms U.S. Was Holding Prisoners At Benghazi Annex…


The plot thickens...

Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (GQ8sn)

254 Bring back the poll tax! Retards should not be allowed to vote.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (ZPrif)

255 Jennifer Griffin is on Benghazi Gate like a pit bull on a chihuahua.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 04:26 PM (UOM48)

256 <<We need an entirely new style of government.>>

Be careful what you wish for...

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:26 PM (URVw/)

257 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (XkWWK)

The Chinese do things like machine-gunning peaceful protesters. I doubt they would have much problem being aggressive with the Muzzies...and the Muzzies know that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:26 PM (GsoHv)

258 There may be no "all powerful RNC" but they set the rules for primaries and the order just before every election.


And that is why we get a damn moderate Party insider who's turn it is every time. RR was a fluke.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:26 PM (YdQQY)

259 230 Yes it is. The Media is our enemy, and they are the greatest threat to this nation because they steer the Electorate.

I think we're finally starting to ask the right questions, if this is what we're coming up with for answers.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 04:26 PM (hNXHo)

260 #235

And the retaliation will make it a Pyrrhic victory at best. You can bet the Russians would jump in to make sure both us and China were crippled, leaving them on top.

A full-out open war is the last thing any jihadist wants. The death by a thousand cuts approach is the only viable strategy they have, and it may be working.

Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:26 PM (kcfmt)

261 When one experiences a death of a loved one, never wise to hastily make decisions and why grace period exist to open an estate. Dems are trying to slyly convince and trick GOP, while morning loss of country, what GOP should do.

Dem's must be laughing their donkey asses off of GOP talking about amnesty. GOP doing the work for Dems by falling for amnesty would leave Dem's hands nice and clean and GOP in the dust bin of history.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 12, 2012 04:26 PM (lGu1O)

262 248 Where's my cookie?!?

I redistributed it into my mouth.
--
A lot more than that got "redistributed" into all our mouths...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (Y5I9o)

263 @230

Yes but the problem is that the GOP establishment does not understand this.

Nobody in the GOP should agree to go on any show, conduct any interview with anybody in the MSM and I include FOX news.

The GOP's message isn't getting out anyway what exactly do we have to lose.

Create new avenues to get the message out.

Buy ad time, create forums, use social media.

I don't know but agreeing to the MSM's terms and conditions is getting us nowhere.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (06lNq)

264 I also think the "triumph of the mocchers" stuff is both wrong, and toxic to our side. It reeks of class warfare and, yes, racism, and will be depicted assuch by the media every time someone prominent on our side brings it up. And OMG can we PLEEEEEEEEEEEZE put away the word SECESSION??? It is The Mother Of All Racial Dog Whistles, people.

Look, Team Obama wasn't exactly running a Top Secret campaign here. They telegraphed early on what their strategy was going to be - Kill Romney, and drive key constituencies to the polls in a handful of counties in 9 swing states. We refused to believe that such a campaign could work. We believed all the wise sages who said that no president could win with an economy this bad. We thought not enough voters would fall for such a cynical and transparent tactical campaign from a sitting president, offering no agenda for a second term. We praised Mitt Romney for picking Paul Ryan and making this a camapign about Big Things, while dumping on Obama for running a small-ball, college-frat-president campaign.

We were wrong. Nobody has ever run a campaign like this and won, but there's a first time for everything. And 50.5% of Americans are not moochers.

Employed, upscale young white women are not moochers. The birth control debate was not presented to them as "we will give you free birth control." It was presented to them as "President Obama has guaranteed that you have access to health care. Republicans want your employer (probably a man) to decide whether you have access to health care." See the difference?

College students also are not "moochers." Obama appealed to them emoitionally, like he did in 2008. We laughed at him for going to three and sometimes four college campuses evey day. But that also worked. Kids are emotional and when they get a personal appeal by the President of the United Sattes, maybe even twice in a few weeks, aren't they going to get excited? What college campuses did Romney and Ryan ever visit? In 1976 I was president of my College Republican chapter and freaking BOB DOLE came to my campus! Republicans never used to write off the college vote.

Black voters were not bought. They voted tribally, and they were scared by claims that Republicans wanted totake away their right to vote. The unemployment rate for blacks is high, arounmd 14%, but that means 86% of blacks are working and not on welfare. They didn't vote for free stuff, they voted for the black guy and against the out-of-touch white gazillionaire who said "I like to fire people."

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (aBlZ1)

265 The Chinese do things like machine-gunning peaceful protesters. I doubt
they would have much problem being aggressive with the Muzzies...and the
Muzzies know that.


*cough*

Posted by: East Turkestan Islamic Movement at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (5iuEW)

266 We know why. Because they want it to burn - whether
you agree with that or not. You're not going to convince them otherwise.
That is the lesson from this election.


Posted by: Duh! at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (


I heard that from more than a few people. They want it to burn, and the want the flaming tire around obama's neck The dems have been real good with planting bombs that go off in a republican administration and also taking credit for things that repubs plant that bear fruit when a dem is in office. They want obama to own this. They are fully convinced it was going to melt down even if romney was in office because too much damage has been done. They want this on obama's head.

Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (FMbng)

267 For every one of those we can deliver dozens and any
place we lose will just be rebuilt down the road. They cannot replace
the destination of the Haj.




Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (kcfmt)

Once upon a time this was true. It is no longer valid because it wouldn't be "nice" to do anything that could be termed a non-proportional response, and EPA regulations will prevent any rebuilding.

I am waiting for the EPA to deny shoreline re-building permits in NJ and NY due to the Endangered Species Act.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (Cnqmv)

268 Military law means that if CIA Director David Petraeus began his affair with biographer Paula Broadwell while he was serving in Afghanistan – while he was General David Petraeus – he can be prosecuted. Petraeus’ former aide, Peter Mansoor, acknowledged, “For him to allow the very first biography to be written about him, to be written by someone who had never written a book before, seemed very odd to me.”
Under Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, it is still possible to prosecute members of the military who involve themselves in behavior “of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.”
It is unclear that Petraeus would actually be prosecuted in any case.

IF this affair occured while he was still in the Army and they do nothing about, might as well throw that reg out. Good luck prosecuting others.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (79ueO)

269 And can we just agree that the field for the last 2 cycles has sucked....which is the price you pay for wipeouts in 2006 and 2008."

Hallelujah! Sick of the talk that Republicans need to become Democrats to win. It isn't because we're mean to minorities. Work in messaging, nurture talent and build local party infrastructures. Obama's ground game loved up to its hype.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (i0vBR)

270 The essay by Tyler Durdin

Tyler didn't write the essay. You know how you can tell, aside from the disclaimer up top?

It's fucking halfway-readable.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (XMaKL)

271 <<
We lost by 3%.

Get a grip.>>

THIS!

It's not like we're a tiny minority hiding in caves and eating out of cans...


WOLVERINES!

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (URVw/)

272 But there are still a lot of guys out there who look upon fatherhood as a nuisance.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (ICEh3)

We have a 20-year-old.

If only he were just a nuisance.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:28 PM (GsoHv)

273 Who's to say Patreus's wife isn't a honeypot secret spy? Didn't think of that did you? Seducing him, night after night. Copying those emails down....

Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 04:28 PM (2t6Gz)

274 In my mind last Tuesday will just speed up the light coming into the tunnel in front of us and in some perverted way, that's a peaceful feeling. Romney would have bought us a few more years.......maybe, but with the Moochers winning, the inevitable collapse will only hasten.
Frankly I'm done with it all......haven't watched Fox News, make that any news, since last Tuesday. It simply doesn't matter. However,I have been to the range just about every day since last Tuesday....and that does matter.
I'm still trying to get a handle on pundit after pundit after pundit being so wrong...100+ EVs wrong. I'm still processing how Rasmussen's party ID poll of R+5.........with a fucking 15,000 person sample!...turns into D+6 on election day.
That simply does not compute.
So I'm not one of these guys that keeps typing 'Bring.It.On'.
It's coming whether we like it or not and it is going to teh suck. But until the Moochers and that so-called conservative who voted for Obama really feel the pain, nothing will change. Not a damn thing. And frankly with Boner, Kristol, Hannity and the like all favoring some sort of un-zipping and dick sucking combination of revenues, tax increases, amnesty, etc.... you simply cannot count on those guys to stand firm. The only thing firm will be the donk dick in their mouth while trying to place nice with the enemy and plan the next establishment cocktail party.

Posted by: TehAdmiral at November 12, 2012 04:28 PM (IxejE)

275 Worth a reprise on this thread:





201 Meanwhile, in OHIO:



http://tinyurl.com/blf4e48



The timing on this is funny and especially when you consider that
the state was won by a grand total 100,000 votes...played for chumps

__________________

I hope they all starve to death.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 04:28 PM (HDgX3)

276 ...and I'm beginning to believe that since voter
irregularities occurred in every single key battleground state that
Obama didn't actually win this one.


Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (URVw/)

I agree, but as Glenn Reynolds says, "If it's not close, they can't cheat."


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:29 PM (R9579)

277 Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (ymG7s)


Well, why do jobs go offshore in the first place? More often than not it's the cost of doing business here at home - a combination of onerous government regulations, punitive taxes in the blue states and ridiculous union wage and benefit demands that drive businesses offshore.

A business' sole purpose is to make a profit. Not to employ people of give health insurance, but to make a profit.

If government and the unions were defanged, businesses would stay here.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:29 PM (XkWWK)

278 Be careful how you analyze this and 2008. The Magic Black Messiah running warps all reasonable thought.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:30 PM (79ueO)

279 Thoughts from the bottomless pit of political despair: Barky is a talented campaigner. As a president, he is incompetent. Campaign's over, sucka.

His Waterloo will emerge soon enough. Be prepared, GOP. Iran will bomb someone, the economy will finally crater--something.

Soon.

Posted by: PJ at November 12, 2012 04:30 PM (ZWaLo)

280 Part of this is because the relationships between
men and women have broken down. What is the number of women who are
living without husbands right now many of them raising children? Among
white women it's grown quite a bit I believe and of course in black
communities it's pretty rare for a woman to be married. Much easier to
vote for dependency on government when you don't have the support at
home.


Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (pdhxN)


LBJ's Legacy has been horribly destructive.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:30 PM (R9579)

281 Women have the freedom to avoid pregnancy.

If they plan beforehand, sure. But if they don't plan beforehand and wake up realizing they just slept with the Devil himself, then what the hell do they do? It's the huge friggin Grand Canyon between what people say to pollsters and what they *really* want to have available to them if they screw up. What I'm saying is that if people lie to pollsters to make themselves look good -- or 'above' such a discussion, then shove their foot up the ass of a conservative candidate because they really could envision themselves doing something so crazy -- then we are deluding ourselves.

I only want to pound this point home because my state got fucking NAILED with never-ending videos of Romney talking about the SC and Roe v Wade. I doubt very much that the 0bama camp would have spent multi-millions on such ads if they didn't see some payback.

btw: very much anti-abortion, but I still think women make bad decisions. As I know that men make bad decisions.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 12, 2012 04:31 PM (feFL6)

282 Next time our candidate should offer free BJ's and oral pleasure for the ladies.

I would say offer free intercourse. But we are already fooked.

Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 04:31 PM (GGCsk)

283 We lost by 3%.

Get a grip.>>

THIS!

It's not like we're a tiny minority hiding in caves and eating out of cans...


WOLVERINES!


Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (URVw/)


The Republican brand isn't doing it for us anymore. I don't think it has been for a long time now. W was probably the last, luckiest SOB we'll have for a loooong time. I'm just not sure how to combat the new Free Shit Army with facts and logic. I'm not going to out left the left, so I'm trying to come up with a solution that beats their stupid bullshit emo-based campaigning.
It's not easy.

Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 04:31 PM (GQ8sn)

284 I'd wager if SCOAMF doesn't scrap the 22nd Amendment, the Dems will field black and or Latinos from now on.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:31 PM (XkWWK)

285 Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty.

Brakes!
Communism, only bit by bit, Kruschchev said.
Too quickly, it won't stick.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 04:32 PM (jfUIE)

286
@ 251 196
To me, freedom means more than just the freedom to boink who I want to and then kill the fetus afterwards. But, unfortunately, to quite a few women in this country that's all that freedom means to them.
My body my choice! Unless you are talking about a Big Gulp. Then, don't you dare drink that!

Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 04:32 PM (VDovR)

287 The Primary system has to change. I am sick
Of Iowa & NH pretty much deciding who our
nominee is.
We should have a choice by the time most
Of us vote.
Is Santorum in Iowa now?

Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 04:32 PM (74T7W)

288

Radical Anti-Israel Democrat Declared Winner In Arizona U.S. House Race…

http://weaselzippers

We have to start making the dems own fucks like this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (79ueO)

289 I agree with patience.

I agree even more with being patient in my firmness.

Posted by: B. at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (Qi0Dn)

290 People used to be ashamed to be leeching off of the government.

Before the leeching was renamed to "entitlements."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (P7hip)

291 And that is why we get a damn moderate Party insider who's turn it is every time. RR was a fluke.

We have this argument every election, Vic. Look at the "conservatives" who ran against Romney in the last primary were:

Michelle Bachmann.......yup, the damn RINO's told her "gardisal is a winner!".

Hermann Cain.....Gloria Allrad is a RINO? 9-9-9 was the work of the evil Bush RINO/Tri-lateral Commission alliance?

Rick Santorum......yea, Santorum could have won it all, if we had all just been drunk during the entire primary season.

Newt...yup, little known RNC rule, chpt. 23, section A, paragraph II, subparagraph (e)....any candidate for President named Newt must sit on a couch with a woman named "Nancy" and say something incredibly stupid. Also, Newt must have many ex-wives with axes to grind.

Rick Perry ---- never should have got a debate stage. And mandatory debate appearance is not in the rules.

Say it with me.........the field sucked..............

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (OWjjx)

292 Next time our candidate should offer free BJ's and oral pleasure for the ladies.

Can't speak for the ladies, but I know for fact that Barry would be down for distributing BJs to voters personally.

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (5iuEW)

293 Want to change the party.....get off your ass, get involved locally and
work like hell. That is it. Work and donate to the candidates you
support.


BTDT got the t shirt.

work harder != work smarter

( See Romney/Ryan Campaign - 2012)


#LetItBurn

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (EZl54)

294 But this argument falls apart with the abortion issue.
Telling
women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to
choose an abortion, is contrary to the idea of being the party of
Liberty.


And I'll agree, as a national tactic, that what we need to say is just that we won't fund them. And we're not "against abortion" we're for "States exercising their legislative authority." (which doesn't keep with "liberty" as the catch word, but we do what we can.)

Every time someone says, "You want to outlaw abortions!" Any national candidate needs to say, "I take no official position on abortion at all. I do believe that Roe v Wade is a travesty, not because it made abortion more available than it already was, but because the Supreme Court usurped the Congress's power to legislate, and violated the 10th Amendment in so doing."

Every. Time.

Let local politicians be the Akins and Mourdocks. I'm pro-life. Period. The only legitimate reason for an abortion is to save the life of the mother. But the official position I want the US Government to take on it is not to have an official position.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (8y9MW)

295 In fact, the lack of message control is why we can't
win. The Democrats are cocksucking pieces of shit, but they march in
lockstep because the party apparatus cracks the whip. They are always on
message, and they win!

If we don't control our own...how can we convince people to vote for us?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (GsoHv)

Central control is appropriate for advocates of an all powerful state. Not so much with advocates of Freedom and Independence.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (R9579)

296
I agree, AllenG.
What I like about the Republican party...is that it is the party of Freedom.

But this argument falls apart with the abortion issue.

Telling women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to choose an abortion and kill humans before they are born, is contrary to the idea of being the party of Liberty.

There are a lot of men who are pro-choice to kill humans before they have emerged from the womb, for whatever reason, and, if convienient, destroy them as inhumanly as possible.

They want to have that option available.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (ICEh3)FIFY

Posted by: Minuteman at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (t8QfJ)

297 "We laughed at him for going to three and sometimes four college campuses evey day. But that also worked. Kids are emotional and when they get a personal appeal by the President of the United Sattes, maybe even twice in a few weeks, aren't they going to get excited? What college campuses did Romney and Ryan ever visit?"

They are conditioned by their teachers to vote Femicrat, and when the president appears at their campus and encourages them to vote, they sign up with student groups and ride buses to rallies and polling districts in states they do not claim as their permanent address. Want to neutralize the youth vote? Bust the teachers unions. Boycott entertainers who lean left.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 04:34 PM (i0vBR)

298 So by saying we shouldn't be so hasty, what exactly does that refer to? Selling off everything and going Galt? Just going with the status quo?

Because it has been proven to us again and again that phone calls and letters to Congress really mean diddly squat for most issues. Fuck, putting a million people in DC and swarming townhalls didn't stop OBlaBlaCare.

I say if you can sign up for a gubmint bennie, do it. Just don't plan your life around it always being there. Work for sanity at the state and county levels of government. Stop being driven by consumerism. Plan to be able to survive hard times. Teach your children to be self reliant. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

None of these things are hasty.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 12, 2012 04:34 PM (ccXZP)

299 Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty.

There's a reason you traditionally mourn the passing of a loved one for a year and a day. You really can't trust yourself while the wound is fresh.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:34 PM (QupBk)

300 Democrat not Femicrat. Phoning this in.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 04:34 PM (i0vBR)

301 @252

Just imagine if a Republican was President and the head of the CIA resigned because of an adulterous affair, a CIA chief who was being investigated by the FBI and then chose not to testify at a Senate hearing into the Benghazi terrorist attack.

This story is tailor made for a media that salivates over scandal.

- High Ranking Official: Check

- Sexy Mistress: Check

- Adultery: Check

- FBI Investigation: Check

-What did the administration Know and When Questions: Check (Reporters have been known to make entire careers out of such questions)

- Refusal to testify at Senate hearing: Check (The MSM/Dems would be apoplectic over this)

And what do we get?

Nothing!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 04:34 PM (06lNq)

302 "If the RNC leadership was so powerful, how come Akin stuck in the
race? That is exactly how powerful the RNC is: they could not force a
broke, barely known little Congressman out of race when everyone told
him to go."

Short of shooting him in the head, there was no way to force him out.

However, there were three easy steps which could have been taken in response to Akin, that did not involve forcing him out. Three easy steps which were not taken.

(1) Romney, as the de facto head of the Republicans this year, should have mounted an immediate, full throated public denunciation of Akin. Right there in Missouri. Should have flown there at once. Said in unambiguous words that Akin's comments were absolutely unacceptable. Akin would have stayed in despite this. But it would have helped insulate Romney and the rest of the party from the taint of Akinism. Akin should have been reframed into a lone rogue.

(2) Immediate lockdown on message discipline by all other candidates on abortion questions. Mourdock's gaffe was ten million times worse because it came after, and in the context of the toxic atmosphere of, Akin. Complete amateur night stuff.

(3) Telling the socon leaders like Fuckabee and Tony Perkins, who were encouraging Akin and telling him he would win with God's help as a "test of faith", that they were going to be permanently persona non grata if they did not shut up and quit feeding the flames.

None of these three easy steps were taken. We now reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (ymG7s)

303 266
They are fully convinced it was going to melt down
even if romney was in office because too much damage has been done. They
want this on obama's head.


Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (FMbng)
Point is exactly what made me less furious after election. It is going to be bad. My hope was having Romney / Ryan there to make is less painful, but let Obama OWN IT.


Posted by: Deli LLama at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (lGu1O)

304 283 Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 04:31 PM (GQ8sn)

I think you are on to something. The only way to get your message out there is to utterly ridicule the philosophy and lifestyles of the other side. And you have to be merciless about it.

That said, we have the media and the culture against us, but Rush does this all the time and it's brilliant because it's true.

We just have to have candidates and spokespeople with the stones to do it.

I'd start with billboards in black neighborhoods highlighting the history of the Democrat party and blacks in America.

"WHEN WE PASS THIS, THE NI88ERS WILL BE VOTING FOR US FOR 200 YEARS..." LBJ

Something like that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (XkWWK)

305 FDR had a war to bail him out.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (MmH0Z)

The scary thing is... what if Obama gets a war to bail him out?

Posted by: KG at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (p7BzH)

306 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (i0vBR)

Well written, but it's nothing that I or others didn't say 6 months brfore he won the primary.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (3Y7RV)

307 Seems to me the Moochers lost again for the second time in four years.

No longer does the national Bourgeoisie have a political party that enables them to take advantage of and exploit the hard work of this nations workers.

Time to pay your fair share!

Posted by: palooka at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (aNlIg)

308 There is much win in 294.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (hNXHo)

309 Actually, FDR won in 1936 even though the economy had relapsed badly into depression again

Voters still blamed Hoover, and they were still reliant on the free shit being doled out by FDR

America was isolationist to the core too, who cared what Hitler was doing

The world hasn't become such a peaceful place that the war solution to the economy is off the table.


Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (wwsoB)

310 Related from the WSJ; THE HARD FISCAL FACTS

"While the rest of America was holding an election last week, the gnomes
at the Congressional Budget Office released the final budget totals for
fiscal 2012. They're worth reporting because they illuminate the real
fiscal choices that confront the country, as opposed to the posturing
you'll be hearing over the next few weeks."


http://tinyurl.com/d7tv8vm

Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (GGCsk)

311 The Republican brand isn't doing it for us
anymore. I don't think it has been for a long time now. W was probably
the last, luckiest SOB we'll have for a loooong time. Posted by: EC


This presumes the GOP has been upholding a conservative standard. They haven't. Example A ) W.

He governed domestically as a soft Dem. My appreciation of his presidency has declined precipitously.

I'm just not sure
how to combat the new Free Shit Army with facts and logic. I'm not going
to out left the left, so I'm trying to come up with a solution that
beats their stupid bullshit emo-based campaigning.It's not easy.Posted by: EC


I think we are all trying. But as others have cautioned, we need to examine why the loss of, again, 3% not 30%.

Perspective, amigo, let's try some perspective first.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (SX6wc)

312 <<If we don't control our own...how can we convince people to vote for us?>>

I don't think you get it...we don't LIKE being controlled. If you think this is the answer you can go screw, fatboy.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (URVw/)

313 "We have to start making the dems own fucks like this
"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (79ueO)

Own? They love him!

And the Jews would vote for him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (GsoHv)

314 We lost by 3%.

Get a grip.


Losing by 3% to an inept, Anti-American retard is nothing to take solace in. Factor in what benedickhead Roberts did, the tens of clearly impeachable crimes that barky has gotten away with, scot-free, and you get an inkling of the situation we are really in.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 04:37 PM (X3lox)

315 286
@ 251 196
To me, freedom means more than just the freedom to boink who I want to and then kill the fetus afterwards. But, unfortunately, to quite a few women in this country that's all that freedom means to them.
My body my choice! Unless you are talking about a Big Gulp. Then, don't you dare drink that!
Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 04:32 PM (VDovR)


Freedom is only one component of liberty, albeit the biggest.

Freedom is liberty without the discipline, responsibility, equity, choice, and consequence.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 04:37 PM (jfUIE)

316 288 We have to start making the dems own fucks like this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (79ueO)

I think they are proud to do so. I seem to recall the voice vote at the convention about Jerusalem being the capital of Israel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:37 PM (XkWWK)

317 No longer does the national Bourgeoisie have a political party that enables them to take advantage of and exploit the hard work of this nations workers.

Copied, just so you can marvel at it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:37 PM (QupBk)

318
Democrats disproportionately spent funds to defeat minority candidates.

Wonder if there's a story in there somewhere?

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 04:37 PM (TR60b)

319 Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (URVw/)

PMS?

Try some reading comprehension.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:37 PM (GsoHv)

320 @255
Jennifer Griffin is on Benghazi Gate like a pit bull on a chihuahua.

But you know who WASN'T on Benghazi Gate like a pit bull on a chihuahua?

Mitt " campaigning for 7 years and still couldn't get it right" Romney - that's who.

Because NICE! and NOT NEGATIVE! or some shit.


Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (EZl54)

321 <<This presumes the GOP has been upholding a conservative standard. They haven't. Example A ) W.>>

I would put his father in at Example A...then W...and then we got McCain and Romney.

Because conservatives don't win or something.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (URVw/)

322 Instead of a calm, disciplined response, the GOP had an odd,
uncoordinated, undisciplied reply, with various party figures going off
on their own weird tangents. Meanwhile, the Democrats had "It's the
economy, stupid." That plus Perot cost us the '92 election.

Part of the uncoordinated response by the GOP was Pat Buchanan speaking at the '92 national convention.

To
swing voters who had lost their jobs and, for the first time in ten
years were having trouble finding another one, the Buchanan response
was, "Culture war commence! Form up by squads and fix bayonets!"

I heard that and said, "We're fucked," and so we were.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (ymG7s)





Your analysis is bullshit. The Media led every nightly news story with how bad the economy was, how many people were unemployed, how many factories had closed, how many companies were laying off, and how high gas and food prices were. Every day I would scream at the television because I could see what those bastards were doing. They were intentionally working to create the impression of a horrible economy so as to convince the voters they needed to elect Bill Clinton's who's Carville inspired slogan was "It's the Economy Stupid."

The MEDIA manipulated the public mind to undermine support for George Bush. Had they done the same thing to Obama this election, he would have been wiped out, but they didn't and they never will.

The MEDIA are the greatest threat to this nation. They STEER the public mind. They don't steer us all, just enough of the idiots to move the vote.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (R9579)

323 I think we are all trying. But as others have cautioned, we need to examine why the loss of, again, 3% not 30%.

They only need 3% on us every 4 years. That's the problem.

Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (GQ8sn)

324 >>>We lost by 3%.
>>>Get a grip.>>

OK Here's my grip if the country was 33/33/33 Conservative/Moderate/Liberal we should have won by 20% instead we lost by 3%. We will not likely face a candidate as weak as 2012 Obama in our lifetime. He was a failure burger with special suck sauce, with a side of feckless fries. A lot of things went against us. But those things will likely always be against us going forward; unless we can make a major turnaround; our prospects are bleak. Putting nails in the coffin of the media's influence over US politics was apparently a little premature. We should have checked to make sure an actual corpse was in the coffin first.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (0q2P7)

325 Yes and the top Republican issues should be passing Amnesty and higher taxes. Because adopting the liberal agenda has worked so well in the past.

Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (GGCsk)

326 The metaphor for the threat of losing our way has always been Orwellian. It really isn't. It's Huxley.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (jfUIE)

327 And in reference to Ace's friend--in 1990 I was sort of against the war vote, because I thought I was in a position where I would be seriously career-derailed by a draft. As it happened...

At any rate, I fully supported the Gulf War and thought we should have gone on to Baghdad. I just didn't want my life upended by the effort. I make no claim of great nobility or perception or wisdom for that young man--just normal humanity.

Posted by: B. at November 12, 2012 04:39 PM (Qi0Dn)

328 Own? They love him!

And the Jews would vote for him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (GsoHv)

It's a she? A female jew hater? DId you read the article at weasel zippers about her?

But him also?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:39 PM (79ueO)

329 No longer does the national Bourgeoisie have a political party that enables them to take advantage of and exploit the hard work of this nations workers.

Again, marvel.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:39 PM (QupBk)

330 So I said Romney should have immediately isolated Akin. Denounced him, called him a nut, said he was unrepresentative of the party, endorsed a run by a third party candidate. Dropped the million pound shithammer. Crushed Akin like a roach.

IF that had happened, IF, then Richard Mourdock might have gotten it through his thick flat skull that he needed to have a carefully worded, inoffensive reply ready to go on abortion questions.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:39 PM (ymG7s)

331 Time to pay your fair share!

Posted by: palooka at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM

Define fair share. Use an exact percentage as a starting point

Have you demanded that Anna Wintour, George Soros, George Clooney, Katy Perry, Jay-Z, Russell Simmons, and Eva Longoria pay their fair share yet?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (wwsoB)

332 The metaphor for the threat of losing our way has always been Orwellian. It really isn't. It's Huxley.

DING DING DING! Someone get this man a free year of AoSHQ Platinum!

Posted by: Armando at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (5iuEW)

333


??? Who knows, but that sure sounds like a reason to lie.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:24 PM (79ueO)

You got a link for that? I'm keeping a running thread on another website regarding the Benghazi affair. I would like to update that thread with a link of this information.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (R9579)

334 <<Try some reading comprehension.>>

My comprehension was precisely your problem.

You can't "Control our own" because our is the mentality that refuses to march in 'lockstep'; something you recommended as a solution. You like that kind of shit, go join the Left. Free stuff anyway.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (URVw/)

335
"Jennifer Griffin is on Benghazi Gate like a pit bull on a chihuahua."

...and accomplishing*what*, exactly? Swaying elections? Ensuring good governance? Calling the powerful to account? Feh.

Outside of *some* of the Fox viewership, the people of this nation simply do not care about this. They just don't. They just care about more free shit, more distractions, and less responsibility for their own lives.

They don't care about dead ambassadors, dead SEALs, dead BP agents, 300 dead Mexicans, dead military trainers in AFG,$16T in dead presidents, and a dead, dead, dead American Experiment.

Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (4I3Uo)

336 The hypothesis they do support says many conservatives stayed home in 2008, and even fewer turned out this year.

Any "conservatives" who sat this election out because Romney wasn't pure enough for them should be fucked eternally by Satan's barbed cock, for giving us 4 more years of tfg.

Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (cNamo)

337 #287 We do need to insist that the RNC change the rules so that New Hampshire and Iowa do not choose our nominee. The Ames Straw Poll must be abolished. How about putting Ohio up front? Maybe we might have gotten more scared of Romney if he had come out of the chute and gotten creamed in Ohio.

But don't understimate how defeat can concentrate a party. Look what the Democrats did after John Kerry lost to W. They adopted Howard Dean's 50-state strategy, took back the House in 2006, and won the White House in 2008. We can do the same thing. But we may have to engage in some tactical stuff we don't like to do, especially making specific and even cynical appeals to key voting groups and having a ticket that includes a woman and./or a minority.

Obama really won this one ugly. And his second term is almost guaranteed to be ugly. This should produce some serious voter fatigue in 2016.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 04:41 PM (aBlZ1)

338
"What college campuses did Romney and Ryan ever visit?"

Actually Ryan visited several college campuses....especially in Ohio. But do you think it would have made a difference? These guys only listen to their loser lib profs.

Actually the way some of you are barking at Romney, maybe it's a good thing Obama won. Or at least it sounds that way. Better a socialist than a RINO?

Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 12, 2012 04:41 PM (zYCz+)

339 #267

Let a few nukes go off in the US and I doubt there will be much objection to wiping whole nations from the surface of the planet. Especially if we get a Tom Clancy decapitation strike on DC while some event has the President addressing nearly all of the gathered federal office holders.

Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:41 PM (kcfmt)

340 302 -

I would add (4) - telling all Republicans NEVER to tell the Media anything that could even remotely be seen in a damaging light. Make sure that every R candidate KNOWS and REPEATS that the Media is the Enemy: they do not want to hear your views, they do not want to be your friend. They want to DESTROY you.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (P7hip)

341 {i]Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:39 PM (79ueO){/i]

I misspoke.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (GsoHv)

342 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (OWjjx)


Those stupid debates were set up by the MFM to guarantee no conservative was chosen. As for Perry he could not have done any worse than Romney.


If the RNC had any brains they would refuse ANY debates hosted by the MFM.


And I still say primaries should be scheduled based on percent a State voted Republican in the last general. Damn blue States should not be choosing our candidate.

Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (YdQQY)

343 You got a link for that? I'm keeping a running thread on another website regarding the Benghazi affair. I would like to update that thread with a link of this information.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (R9579)

weasel zippers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (79ueO)

344 Any "conservatives" who sat this election out
because Romney wasn't pure enough for them should be fucked eternally
by Satan's barbed cock, for giving us 4 more years of tfg.


Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (cNamo)

Yep! Hey, joe!

Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (kpCLl)

345 I misspoke.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (GsoHv)


Shit happens

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:43 PM (79ueO)

346 Define fair share. Use an exact percentage as a starting point

Heh. Do you actually imagine that any progger has considered things at even that minimal level? To be a liberal is to chant Four Legs Good as loud as you can, not to debate the merits or demerits of quadrupedal vs bipedal motion.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:43 PM (QupBk)

347 If there's one thing that may have buried Romney, it was the release of that 47 Percent Tape

47 percent of the nation just doesn't take well to being called moochers

Even if it's true

Especially if it's true


Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 04:43 PM (wwsoB)

348 This applies to men as well.
Men have the freedom to avoidcausing a pregnancy.

When
all men value being a father, and look upon it as one of the most
gratifying things that they can ever undertake...then there will be a
lot fewer abortions.

It's getting better.
Attitudes towards being a father have been changing for the good.
But there are still a lot of guys out there who look upon fatherhood as a nuisance.


Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (ICEh3)



You are correct, men ought to be required to be responsible, and there was a time when the law would demand it, but that function has been eroded as well.

But who bears the greater responsibility? The person who packs a parachute, or the person who jumps with it?

Women have the greater responsibility to prevent pregnancy. It might not be fair, but that is the current state of our society.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:43 PM (R9579)

349 332 The metaphor for the threat of losing our way has always been Orwellian. It really isn't. It's Huxley.

DING DING DING! Someone get this man a free year of AoSHQ Platinum!
Posted by: Armando at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (5iuEW)


Thanks. Seriously.
You just made my shitty week.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 04:43 PM (jfUIE)

350 telling all Republicans NEVER to tell the Media anything that could even remotely be seen in a damaging light.

That's almost impossible. But that's why we need a message of maximum Liberty, with the addendum that Liberty is best served by the States being where "the action" is.

I don't care if people in California want to live in a Socialist Paradise. I do care if they expect me, in Texas, to pay for it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 04:44 PM (8y9MW)

351 Especially if we get a Tom Clancy decapitation
strike on DC while some event has the President addressing nearly all of
the gathered federal office holders.


Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:41 PM (kcfmt)

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: Nowadays Clancy can't eevn sing at November 12, 2012 04:44 PM (JJ+PT)

352 We lost by 3%.

AFTER

Romney ran for 8 years and during that time couldn't even beat nasty old McVain in a primary let alone Barky McFuckstick.

Romney is a decent person who is pro-America, religious, white, wealthy and has some conservative values.

The American electorate is fucked.


# LetItBurn

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 04:44 PM (EZl54)

353
Women have the greater responsibility to prevent pregnancy. It might not be fair, but that is the current state of our society.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:43 PM (R9579)

I don't think they have a greater responsibility, women just end up with the results of irresponsible or stupid behavior.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:45 PM (79ueO)

354 We need to have John Boehner, Karl Rove, David Frum and John McCain draw up a list of potential candidates for the GOP so we can go with anyone but whoever's on that list.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:45 PM (URVw/)

355 Fuck all this noise. The somewhat more disturbing truth buried in the numbers is that 12% of voters (12 fucking percent!) decided in the last week. Who they voted for is beyond me. The fact that happened is fucking crazy.

Second, the media is carpet bombing us and thats why we cant win. THe shit you and I obsess over, 90% of the electorate has never heard of it. Don't even get me started on fiscal policy.
The problem is who watches the watchmen?

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 04:45 PM (t06LC)

356 Just got back from trying to find a petition to sign
for OK to secede. I found the one for TX (and they're doing well) but
the one I found for OK demands that I create an account with a WH.org
site. Are there any others? Seems to me the WH site is just a
name-gathering attempt.



Can someone in the know direct me, please.

Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (00XQo)

The WH.org petitions are the only petitions that can make the Prez react. With a certain amount of signatures the WH has to respond, 25,000 I think, or so they say. Any other petitions are like pissing in black trousers--it feels good, but nobody can see it.

Posted by: CharlieSays at November 12, 2012 04:45 PM (2aJHq)

357 No longer does the national Bourgeoisie have a political party that
enables them to take advantage of and exploit the hard work of this
nations workers.



Quick quiz: What is YOUR share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 04:46 PM (z9HTb)

358 201 Meanwhile, in OHIO:





http://tinyurl.com/blf4e48





The timing on this is funny and especially when you consider that

the state was won by a grand total 100,000 votes...played for chumps

__________________

I hope they all starve to death.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 04:28 PM (HDgX3)



The Free Shit Army is getting their free shit reduced after the election. What percentage voted for Barry? I'm guessing 110%

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 04:46 PM (1Jaio)

359 So, they contributed to the destruction of the economyfor many reasons, the core of which is power,andwe allfailed to expose that.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 12, 2012 04:46 PM (gMONh)

360 <<I don't think they have a greater responsibility, women just end up with the results of irresponsible or stupid behavior.


Posted by: Nevergiveup>>

Pretty much. If you don't put the ingredients in the oven, you won't end up with something half-baked.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:46 PM (URVw/)

361 347 If there's one thing that may have buried Romney, it was the release of that 47 Percent Tape

47 percent of the nation just doesn't take well to being called moochers

Even if it's true

Especially if it's true


Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 04:43 PM (wwsoB)


When it came out, I thought at the time that here was a perfect opportunity to explain the comment and couch it in terms of what conservatism and the American work ethic is all about. I thought he would because of his fantastic and heartfelt response to SCOAMF's "you didn't build that."

But he let it slide and issued some wishy-washy mush statement.

We'll never know.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:47 PM (XkWWK)

362 We were warned before the election that many thought the bad economy was the "new norm." They just got used to it...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 12, 2012 04:47 PM (9+ccr)

363 I wish Rick Perry did better, he has a natural
Genuine, smile and a sunny disposition.
Romney spent tons of money in the primaries
To defeat Perry, Newt and Santorum.
I wish he was as tough on JEF as he was to
His republican challengers?

Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 04:47 PM (bZKG0)

364 Oh and all you active or retired military- here you go;


171,000 Retirees Likely To Lose TRICARE Prime Option\


http://tinyurl.com/curfc3a

Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 04:47 PM (GGCsk)

365 We need to control our anti-Santa message? FTW?

Huh?

Obsessing over controlling a message whilst ignoring who your message needs to get through (the leftist media) in order to reach the audience (of little children)?

Wake me up when the shooting starts.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 04:47 PM (MmH0Z)

366
Create new avenues to get the message out.

Buy ad time, create forums, use social media.

I don't know but agreeing to the MSM's terms and conditions is getting us nowhere.




Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (06lNq)

The Blaze, Breitbart, and PJMedia are working to create conservative alternatives to the MSFM. We should support these efforts.

Beyond that, I think expressing our displeasure by knocking a few teeth down a few throats might get the message across. If not, perhaps it will promote such a hate fest, that they may reveal more to the public than they want.

If I should ever get close enough to Chris Matthews or Bill Maher, I'm going to see how many times I can hit them in the face before they are either unconscious or someone pulls me off of them.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:47 PM (R9579)

367 <<The metaphor for the threat of losing our way has always been Orwellian. It really isn't. It's Huxley.
>>

Damn, I missed this on my first readthrough of comments. That's freakin brilliant!

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:48 PM (URVw/)

368 They told me if I voted for Romney that benefits would be cut..

.. and they were right.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 12, 2012 04:49 PM (JJ+PT)

369 Perspective, amigo, let's try some perspective first.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (SX6wc)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------


Perspective? How long does it take you to get perspective?

I don't know where you've been, but we're fucking out of time to be looking for perspective. Read up on some actual American history and you'll get some perspective on where we are now.

This shit started happening in Wilson's regime, bloomed in the 60's and is now upon us in full and unabashed force. That's what, 100 years? How much fucking longer are you going to need to get your goddamn perspective?



Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 04:49 PM (00XQo)

370 @367

There was a comic strip going around a few years ago about that. Pretty good. I think I saw that here...

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 04:49 PM (t06LC)

371 Oh, and can I vent here about one more little thing?

Where the HELL were the TV ads about the Democrats booing God and Jerusalem? Say what you want about Bush and Rove, but they would have SLAUGHTERED Democrats up and down the ticket over this debacle. Rove would have had every single Republican in every debate DEMANDING that the Democrat explain why their convention wanted God out of the platform and booed whenGod was put back in.

We KNOW religious voters are one of our most reliable votiong blocs. So why did we not drive them to the polls the way the Dems drove the young women and college kids? We had an issue dropped right in our lap and didn't use it. It was our equivalent of the Akin/Mourdock rape shit and we just left it sitting on the table.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (aBlZ1)

372 I've said it before: we need to become the "Liberty" Party.We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."See?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (8y9MW)
*******
I posted the same thing right after the election. Conservatives need something bold to capture everyone's attention. My suggestion is that conservatives make it a "states rights" issue and move MJ enforcement from the Fed to the states as they see fit. This gets the attention of the youth that conservatives areserious. Just to be clear, I'm not a pot smoker, but it is time to do something that captures people's attention.
I say we're conservatives...perhaps it is time to change branding. Liberals are liberal at all--they are collectivist leftists.

Posted by: Grim at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (gyNYk)

373 "Every day [in 1992] I would scream at the television because I could see what
those bastards were doing. They were intentionally working to create the
impression of a horrible economy so as to convince the voters they
needed to elect Bill Clinton's who's Carville inspired slogan was 'It's
the Economy Stupid.'"

Yes, of course the media did that. Would you expect anything otherwise?

The media created a narrative of a bad economy. The Democrats focused and capitalized on that narrative, and won. The GOP should have realized that THE ECONOMY was THE ISSUE of the 1992 election. They should have positioned and responded accordingly with a superior economic message.

Instead of a GOP campaign on economic issues, we instead had Bush the Elder announcing that he was going to be the "anti-flag-burning" candidate, and running around referring to Al Gore as "Ozone Man". We had Dan Quayle denouncing a fictional television character, for Pete's sake. This on the heels of Quayle talking about there being canals and breathable air on Mars.

Back to my theme about how the Bush family ruined the Reagan legacy.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (ymG7s)

374
@ 315
I agree. Someone should explain that to the women who voted for Obama because Romney was going to outlaw abortion and steal their ladyparts, or something.

Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (VDovR)

375 366 If I should ever get close enough to Chris Matthews or Bill Maher, I'm going to see how many times I can hit them in the face before they are either unconscious or someone pulls me off of them.

+Krugman, Olbermann, Schultz, ad infinitem.

And they'll faint before you hit them, so don't let them off that easy.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (hNXHo)

376 Related from the WSJ; THE HARD FISCAL FACTS
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (GGCsk)


From that article:

One way to think about this is that most of the $830 billion stimulus of 2009 has now become part of the federal budget baseline. The "emergency" spending of the stimulus has now become permanent, as we predicted it would.

I still kinda marvel how that happened.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 04:51 PM (XMaKL)

377
"Funemployment"


Because ya know before SCOAMF unemployment was never fun, it sucked.

Posted by: meh at November 12, 2012 04:51 PM (W2qJe)

378 Oh and all you active or retired military- here you go;


171,000 Retirees Likely To Lose TRICARE Prime Option\


http://tinyurl.com/curfc3a

Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 04:47 PM (GGCsk)

It's not really so bad. It refers only to a small group who live far from a Military Hospital. The Tricare Standard is still OK and the The Tricare Reserve Select is outstanding. And the alternative, any civilian alternative, is far far far worse.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:51 PM (79ueO)

379 My 89 year old Father has been talking me off the ledge for a week now. He was a rather successful businessman in a tough, he -man industry, a devout catholic man of Yugoslavian immigrants.

I'm ready to go Galt, liquidate prepare. He's telling me that America is a resilient country; we've been through worse; He's seen truly deplorable poverty in his lifetime and we aren't even close to that. The powers that be will not implode the country, and things can change rather quickly, overnight. Have faith and don't forget to fight. Don't let the bastards get you down.

I want to hold out hope. I want to be wrong. I just don't see how we escape the mathematical certitude of financial implosion, the fact we have a red diaper baby in the whitehouse, and the fact we're over the tipping point of taker v. maker. He sees all this. He just won't go there.

I'm thinking if I hold onto hope, I'll lose everything I've got. I honestly don't know what action to take.

So I guess I ponder it until something collapses.

Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 04:51 PM (lkjWK)

380 @364
Oh and all you active or retired military- here you go;




Feel the BURN!!

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 04:52 PM (EZl54)

381 And now they have to make "draconian" fiscal cliff cuts, the majority of which somehow has to target the military.

Not any part of the Stimuseless.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 04:52 PM (XMaKL)

382 The difference this year was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.

I was a little worried of just this thing. With so many people becoming dependent on government handouts, maybe we really have reached that tipping point. If that's the case, it has to come tumbling down before it can be fixed.

Maybe we should all apply for food stamps and help it along.

Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 04:52 PM (QW+AD)

383
Don't we need a thread on the "secret prison" in Libya revealed by the implausibly-named Broadwell?

Wonderif they were read their Miranda Rights?

SE Cupp was right. Obama's successes in foreign policy are all due to continuing Bush policies while criticizing Bush and his policiesthe entire four years.

Posted by: Beagle at November 12, 2012 04:52 PM (sOtz/)

384 “Obama’s winning tactic was to do what any respectable man does when he wishes to have something; he bought it."
____________________________

A respectable man uses his own money to buy what he wants; he doesn't steal it from others, and he certainly doesn't steal it from his kids and grandkids, the way Obama did.

Posted by: Observer at November 12, 2012 04:52 PM (/sohm)

385 Hey guys, how'd that election turn out for you?

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (t1NLo)

386 ##56 Are you serious??? What do you expect David Axelrod to do with 25,000 names of people who want SECESSION?

Protip: When you just got your ass kicked by black voters, talking about secession is a really, really bad idea.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (aBlZ1)

387 It could be that Obama has failed himself into victory.

Obama knows, without a doubt, that he failed. His Concession Speech was hot off the press and ready to be teleprompted.

Like CK said -- luckiest man...

Posted by: beach at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (LpQbZ)

388 The only things that the Media respond to are physical threats (Muslims, other Libs) and personal attacks calling them racist, religious or uncool.

Since nobody is going to do any of these things I say let it burn.

I have the radical far-right wacko idea of sovereign States held together by a small central government that ensures a common defense and freedom and equality for all men based on a bill of rights. That is completely [crazy and will never fucking happen.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (+paCV)

389 Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (URVw/)

Alexander Pope was correct. "A little learning is a dangerous thing."

If you knew English you would have been able to understand that the lockstep to which I was referring was the political message, not the electorate's behavior.

Now go home anf get your fucking shine box.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (GsoHv)

390 >> "I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally"

Eh, for me I think that lasted from Wednesday morning to early Wednesday evening. I'm kind of eager to see how things turn out for the Boy King.

Posted by: The Chap with the App at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (fscec)

391 2016: Vote for Pedro and all of your wildest dreams will come true.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (1Jaio)

392 Well FDR had Hitler...

we might get China.





Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (r2PLg)

FDR didn't owe Hitler $2 trillion dollars

Posted by: Mark x at November 12, 2012 04:54 PM (BKt8g)

393 Calling the president "Boy" now, huh?

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 04:54 PM (t1NLo)

394 Hey guys, how'd that election turn out for you?

Not well. Enjoy your bark soup.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:54 PM (QupBk)

395 "I'm tired from reading all these comments. Where's my cookie?!?"
==========

I eated it.

Posted by: LOLCat at November 12, 2012 04:54 PM (znT2j)

396
385 Hey guys, how'd that election turn out for you?
Posted by: Olaf

about as well as the abortion procedure your mom had a month before your birth
thanks for asking

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 04:54 PM (/8JT8)

397

This is, well, odd:


Elena Get Your Gun

The national media have ignored a fascinating development, one worth keeping an eye on: Justice Elena Kagan has taken up recreational shooting and hunting. She likes it so much that she has moved from small game (quail) to big game (elk). Wade Payne of the Knoxville News-Sentinel described an October 19th informal talk given by Justice Kagan at the University of Tennessee:


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/elena_get_your_gun.html

Posted by: beach at November 12, 2012 04:54 PM (LpQbZ)

398 #379 Derak

I'm seriously considering liquidating what I can and buying gold. And more ammo.

Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 04:55 PM (QW+AD)

399 btw: very much anti-abortion, but I still think women make bad decisions. As I know that men make bad decisions.


Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 12, 2012 04:31 PM (feFL6)

I think those two idiots (Akin and Murdock (sp) ) did serious damage to us, and may have even cost us the election. I am very pro-life as well, but the Rape thing is a bridge too far even for me. Over the years I have known plenty of people in the pro-life movement in my state, and the ones that insist on banning abortion for rape or incest are very much in the minority, and it is an extreme position.I think the psychological damage which might result from being required to carry the child of a rapist gives the mother a reasonably acceptable medical reason for an abortion.

Akin and Murdock really helped Obama win, and I am amazed that they fell for that stupid media trick, even if they believed what they claim to believe.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:55 PM (R9579)

400 -just normal humanity.
Posted by: B. at November 12, 2012 04:39 PM (Qi0Dn)

Or as my dad called those like you, a pinko fag pussy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 04:56 PM (3Y7RV)

401
@ 311
Since Reagan. HWBush-limo liberal. Dole-limo liberal. W-fake conservative (more socially conservative than I expected but a fiscal liberal i.e. big deficits, big spending bills like the Medicare thing and the Ted Kennedy education bill). Romney-limo liberal. Run a f*cking true Conservative and see what happens, oh, great wizards of the Republican establishment.

Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 04:56 PM (VDovR)

402 I think those two idiots (Akin and Murdock (sp) ) did serious damage to us, and may have even cost us the election. I am very pro-life as well, but the Rape thing is a bridge too far even for me. Over the years I have known plenty of people in the pro-life movement in my state, and the ones that insist on banning abortion for rape or incest are very much in the minority, and it is an extreme position

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:55 PM (R9579)


Yes I agree 100%

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:57 PM (79ueO)

403 This little tidbit at Volokh

A teenager arrested on Remembrance Sunday on suspicion of posting a picture of a burning poppy on Facebook is being questioned by police.

The 19-year-old was held after the image of a poppy being set ablaze by a lighter was reportedly posted online with the caption: “How about that you squadey cunts”.

Police said the man, from Canterbury, Kent, was detained on suspicion of an offence under the Malicious Communications Act after officers were contacted at about 4pm on Sunday....

Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 04:57 PM (2t6Gz)

404 And more ammo.

I have 5K more rounds inbound on UPS. Even though I don't need it, even though some of it doesn't go with any weapon I have. I'm thinking trade goods.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:57 PM (QupBk)

405 Well in our case, we've gone about as low as you can go. Lost home and business in 2010 and Husband unemployed since Feb. with a few odd jobs.Food stamps are next...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 12, 2012 04:57 PM (9+ccr)

406 324
>>>We lost by 3%.
>>>Get a grip.>>

OK
Here's my grip if the country was 33/33/33
Conservative/Moderate/Liberal we should have won by 20% instead we lost
by 3%. We will not likely face a candidate as weak as 2012 Obama in our
lifetime. He was a failure burger with special suck sauce, with a side
of feckless fries.

____________________________________________________

I disagree.He was anything but weak. First black prez trumps anything like unemployment rate or people on food stamps.

And even if the next Dem nominee is black he won't be the first or historic or any of the other bullshit that came with Obama.

Now if it's Hillary, we're right back at FIRST WOMAN or FIRST HISPANIC or FIRST _____________.

I think job #1 for conservatives is make sure Cuomo is the next nominee. First middle aged Italian guy from NY doesn't quite have the same historic ring to it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 04:57 PM (HDgX3)

407 But worse . . . the mindless masses bought it.

Posted by: rplat at November 12, 2012 04:57 PM (ew94K)

408 oh . dear . God.

Secession is now a RACIAL dogwhistle????????


How about CONSTITUTION? Declaration of Independence?

Liberty ? You just know THAT motherfucker means "plantation" and "chains" .



LET IT BURN, ESPECIALLY RINOS !!!!


Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 04:58 PM (EZl54)

409 Those of you wishing we'd nominated a more "conservative" candidate and calling for a more "conservative" candidate next time--

Fair enough, but please, please, please, please, god, please tell me you don't mean Santorum.

Not Santorum. Please, just no.

Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 04:58 PM (tUcg9)

410 So...we gonna secede or what?

At this point there's only like 12-15 true-blue states, so we can have a majority!

Posted by: bigpale at November 12, 2012 04:58 PM (zPwwO)

411 All you need to know how nefarious and in the tank the press is could be best illustrated by Paul Ryan and his family going to a soup kitchen for a photo op.

The photo op has been a standard device used by Democrats and Republicans alike to make them seem like they are in touch.

Well the fact that Ryan would go to a soup kitchen to pitch in did not sit well with the Dem operatives and media so it was widely reported that the pots and pans that Ryan washed did not seem to be dirty at all.

WE CAN"T EVEN HAVE A SIMPLE PHOTO OP WITHOUT THE MEDIA FRAMING IT AND CONTEXTUALIZING IT!!


But that is the game the Dems and the media play and until we realize it we are doomed.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 04:59 PM (06lNq)

412 The late unpleasantness left secession with a bad rep.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:59 PM (QupBk)

413 409
Those of you wishing we'd nominated a more "conservative" candidate and calling for a more "conservative" candidate next time--

Fair enough, but please, please, please, please, god, please tell me you don't mean Santorum.

Not Santorum. Please, just no

________________________________________________________

AMEN!!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 04:59 PM (HDgX3)

414
401 remember when all the people like me were saying 'the democrat will always tell you who they are afraid of" and we got shot down like a US drone over iran?

guess what? I WAS FUCKING RIGHT

perry was the one they were afraid of, also the first to go

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (/8JT8)

415
363I wish Rick Perry did better, he has a natural
Genuine, smile and a sunny disposition.
Romney spent tons of money in the primaries
To defeat Perry, Newt and Santorum.
I wish he was as tough on JEF as he was to
His republican challengers?

-------------

This!
Perry was the one that the Dems feared the most.
There was really nothing about him that they could demonize.

Not a millionaire...Perry came from humble beginnings.
Perry, like Reagan, began as a conservative Democrat.
When the Dem party became the Liberal Party...he left it.

It's a shame he had to have that back surgery, and enter the race on meds.
I've watched him for years, and have never seen him flub up like he did during the debates.
It was not like him.

Romney is a good man.
But for a lot of people out there...I think it was like 'Voting for their Boss'.
So maybe that's why they stayed home.

Perry is also very charismatic.
We need charismatic candidates out there to 'sell' conservative ideas.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (ICEh3)

416 The way to deal with Moochers (seems to me) is to hold govt. to very high standards...
Dems give them a phone
Reps ask why the poor can't have an unlimited minutes?
Dems give them an unlimited minutes
Reps ask why the poor can't have unlimited text?

Keep promises going at that rate
However, tie the funding of that to something like taxing celebrities/Hollywood or a yacht tax to pay for it.

Divide and conquer as applied to Govt...

Posted by: aj at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (eS0Ui)

417 I think those two idiots (Akin and Murdock (sp) ) did serious damage to us, and may have even cost us the election.

No.
If you recall, George Snuffleupagus unveiled the Dems War on Women meme at an early Republican primary debate. If Akin and Mourdock did not exist, that still would have been a strategy in this election. They would have just seized on something else to use. Binders, for pete's sake.

Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (cNamo)

418 If the MEDIA is running the United States, and they appear to be doing that, and no one will seriously go to War with them, why bother?

Posted by: Daybrother at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (+paCV)

419 @ 406

"I disagree.He was anything but weak. First black prez trumps anything like unemployment rate or people on food stamps.

And even if the next Dem nominee is black he won't be the first or historic or any of the other bullshit that came with Obama."

But your theory only holds tightly for first term Obama, not winning a second term.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (MmH0Z)

420 Disco Inferno

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (xXhWA)

421 "Not Santorum. Please, just no. "

Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 04:58 PM (tUcg9)


That would have been funny four years ago.

Now? Not so much.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (GsoHv)

422 None of these three easy steps were taken. We now reap the whirlwind.



Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (ymG7s)

It might have tipped the election. It certainly won votes for Obama, that's for sure.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (R9579)

423
Ace,

Agreed - we need thought. Instead, we get - Bill Kristol.

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (aA2hG)

424 "Protip: When you just got your ass kicked by black voters, talking about secession is a really, really bad idea."

Yup, they were the ones that did it. Not the dumb womyns of the United States of Freeloaders who are also white.

Posted by: Whatever at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (zYCz+)

425 []iHey guys, how'd that election turn out for you?


Quick quiz, Olaf: What is your share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (z9HTb)

426 #404

Right, invest in durable goods that hold value. Tangible things. Especially since the Fed is the main buyer of US debt. And they just print the money they use to buy it. That doesn't bode well for the value of the dollar.

Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (QW+AD)

427 19th Amendment.

Beginning of the end.

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (EZl54)

428 No.
If you recall, George Snuffleupagus unveiled the Dems War on Women meme at an early Republican primary debate. If Akin and Mourdock did not exist, that still would have been a strategy in this election. They would have just seized on something else to use. Binders, for pete's sake.
Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (cNamo)


the dems threw everything against the wall to see just which ones would stick the most and abortion was NOT as huge an issue this cycle as usual until those 2 idiots opened up there mouths and the floodgates opened up.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 05:02 PM (79ueO)

429 RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO

TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON

WAKE THE FUCK UP MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


give me one other candidate that is as bad as Tom Cotton. And Rubio is fantastic.
Fuck them all!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the 2016 ticket....

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:02 PM (tVTLU)

430 409
Those of you wishing we'd nominated a more "conservative" candidate and calling for a more "conservative" candidate next time--

Fair enough, but please, please, please, please, god, please tell me you don't mean Santorum.

Not Santorum. Please, just no

________________________________________________________

AMEN!!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 04:59 PM (HDgX3)

What?

Of course he would have lost by more than Romney, but he would have at least told the truth about a number of conservative issues that we spent months rationalizing that it was acceptable for
Romney to be on the left on.

Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 05:02 PM (i3OIF)

431
415 haha, beat you to it
great minds think ali....
oh wait, they think like me

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:02 PM (/8JT8)

432 "Fair enough, but please, please, please, please, god, please tell me you don't mean Santorum. Not Santorum. Please, just no."

I think that's unfortunately exactly what part of the party thinks when they think "we need to run a True Conservative".

What we need is a True Electable Conservative, and that's not Santorum, who couldn't hold a Senate seat in his own state. To me, a TEC is a Reagan figure. Not someone whose biggest issue is for the government to be standing up an anti-sodomy department.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 05:02 PM (ymG7s)

433 Let. It. Burn.

Can I suggest Galt's Gulch be relocated to a red state like Wyoming?

Posted by: LibertarianJim (#teamletitburn) at November 12, 2012 05:02 PM (/3xt8)

434 beach, shooting for recreation, but not for protection, is cool now. Groupon has discounts for a cocktails and shooting event. Let's hope the cocktails come after the shooting.

Posted by: PJ at November 12, 2012 05:03 PM (ZWaLo)

435 if we think things are bad for small government conservatism now, with people scared of losing their homes or food stamps, just wait until Obamacare leads to single payer nationalized health care. When that day comes, it really is game over.

Posted by: Fred at November 12, 2012 05:03 PM (xWGQr)

436 "Those of you wishing we'd nominated a more "conservative" candidate and calling for a more "conservative" candidate next time--"
==========

HELLO!

Posted by: Mike Huckabee Suddenly Barging Through the Door at November 12, 2012 05:03 PM (znT2j)

437 "But your theory only holds tightly for first term Obama, not winning a second term."

Well you can't very well allow the first black president elected to be defeated in round 2 can you?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 05:03 PM (HDgX3)

438 After the parasitic underclass rapes the treasury they'll abandon him . . . unfortunately, there will be nothing left for the productive citizens.

Posted by: rplat at November 12, 2012 05:03 PM (ew94K)

439
@ 409
I was thinking more along the lines of Rubio or someone not on the radar screen yet.

Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 05:03 PM (VDovR)

440 I'd start with billboards in black neighborhoods highlighting the history of the Democrat party and blacks in America.



"WHEN WE PASS THIS, THE NI88ERS WILL BE VOTING FOR US FOR 200 YEARS..." LBJ



Something like that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (XkWWK)

I agree with this. Get the word out in a way they cannot silence. Make people understand that the Democrats are basically motivated by evil principles, and that people need to recognize them for what they are. Power Hungry opportunists without principals.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:03 PM (R9579)

441 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:02 PM (tVTLU)

Governors, not Senators!

Rubio will have six years of accommodation and compromise under his belt.

He will be damaged goods.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 05:04 PM (GsoHv)

442 So the moochers who came out for Obama were so attuned to the issues that they thought Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they were upset by Akin and Mourdock?
Horseshit.

Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 05:05 PM (cNamo)

443 "It's a shame he had to have that back surgery, and enter the race on meds. I've watched him for years, and have never seen him flub up like he did during the debates. It was not like him."

What's worse is that Perry's rambling, mumbling, medicated debate performance has basically killed any future he might have had as a national candidate in future.

I can't believe his advisers didn't sanity check his thinking and tell him, "Rick, you just are not well enough to run this year. Don't do this."

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 05:05 PM (ymG7s)

444 Those of you wishing we'd nominated a more "conservative" candidate and calling for a more "conservative" candidate next time--Fair enough, but please, please, please, please, god, please tell me you don't mean Santorum. Not Santorum. Please, just no.

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How would he have done worse than Romney?

Posted by: SH at November 12, 2012 05:05 PM (gmeXX)

445
42719th Amendment.

Beginning of the end.

-----------

Oh for fuck's sake.
There are millions of conservative women out there who vote for conservatives.

You want to take away their votes?
You need their votes...to cancel out all those dumbass liberal men out there who vote for free shit.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:05 PM (ICEh3)

446
@ 441
Not if he votes Present. It has worked before.

Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 05:06 PM (VDovR)

447 Never Charlie Brown.
The GOP can save him in the background. Watch that convention speech again.
THAT IS WHO WE NEED TO CARRY THE MESSAGE.
Tom Cotton as VP.

FUcking A!!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:06 PM (tVTLU)

448 Hey, you guys said it was going to be a romney landslide.

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:06 PM (t1NLo)

449 Over the years I have known plenty of people in the pro-life movement in
my state, and the ones that insist on banning abortion for rape or
incest are very much in the minority, and it is an extreme position.


Somehow, by Romney saying that he hoped for a Supreme Court that would revisit Roe v Wade the Democrats were able to paint that as 'extremist'. Then they ran the video of him saying that, over and over in my state. Because they *knew* it would either suppress voter turnout on our side, or increase voter turnout on theirs.

Now, I know I'm repeating the same message over and over again, and I'm sorry, but it bears repeating; people who say they are opposed to abortion are a majority in this country. People who say they are opposed to abortion yet vote against someone who wishes to have the SC revisit the decision are a majority. The two are not consistent with each other, and someone is lying.

So my .02 advice to future republican candidates -- you see that third rail of difference between what people say and how they vote?

Don't go anywhere near it.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 12, 2012 05:07 PM (feFL6)

450 Putting nails in the coffin of the media's influence
over US politics was apparently a little premature. We should have
checked to make sure an actual corpse was in the coffin first.


Posted by: Mike the Moose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (0q2P7)

As they guy says in the movie "Zombieland" Double tap. Always.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:07 PM (R9579)

451
oh sweet shit floating in my bowl of captain crunch
no No NO!!!
forget fucking Rubio, very low name recognition and he is afraid of the media

what you need is a conservative who will stand up to the opposition and the media at every turn
with some sweet name recognition
we lost because people stayed at home, get people fucking pumped up to get off their ass and pull the level

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:08 PM (/8JT8)

452 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:06 PM (tVTLU)

Too much Washington DC bullshit and back-room deals under his belt by then.

And I don't know what "The GOP can save him in the background" means.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 05:08 PM (GsoHv)

453 #432 The obvious person IMO is Bobby Jindal. He'll have two years after finishing his second term as Governor to go around the country and build support. I think if a lot of influential conservatives got behind him early he could clear the field.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 05:08 PM (aBlZ1)

454 Oh for fuck's sake.
There are millions of conservative women out there who vote for conservatives.

You want to take away their votes?
You need their votes...to cancel out all those dumbass liberal men out there who vote for free shit.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:05 PM (ICEh3)

Taxpayers...you don't pay Taxes, you don't vote.

Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (i3OIF)

455 Then 19th Amendment was not the beginning of the end.

Look to the 16th and 17th for that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (8y9MW)

456 448 Hey, you guys said it was going to be a romney landslide.
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:06 PM (t1NLo)

We sure did. We had no idea how many subversive shitstains were trying to destroy our country. Now we know. We'll fix it, one way or the other. Tell your ma she gives head like a pro. Oh wait, she is a pro.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (3Y7RV)

457 453
#432 The obvious person IMO is Bobby Jindal. He'll have two years after
finishing his second term as Governor to go around the country and build
support. I think if a lot of influential conservatives got behind him
early he could clear the field.

Posted by: rockmom

What's the true scoop on his being involved in an exorcism?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (dZ756)

458 Hey, you guys said it was going to be a romney landslide.

And you guys said that U3 would be under 5.5% by now. It was like the stimulus was just about buying votes and establishing a permanent underclass of moochers.

Screw.

Posted by: Armando at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (5iuEW)

459 "... just wait until Obamacare leads to single payer nationalized health care. When that day comes, it really is game over."
Posted by: Fred


It will not be stopped so it will happen.
When the Russian peasant calls the local boss to complain about his neighbor's cow giving more milk, the boss asks if the peasant thinks the neighbor's milk should be shared. "No" says the peasant, "Kill his cow."
So American healthcare, the very best in the World, will be free free free for a few years with everyone getting...well...the cheapest, lousiest version available before it collapses and there are no drugs or doctors left. But some Asian Country may pick up the slack.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (+paCV)

460 People who claim that they would vote Republican if it weren't for the social issues are deluding themselves and those fiscal conservatives who do vote Republican. It is just a nice thing to say because in theory they may support limited government, but in reality they want it . The abortion issue simply gives them cover.

Posted by: SH at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (gmeXX)

461 "Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty."

So true, I couldn't agree more+++. But this could be easier said than done, and it's more than whether the GOP leadership is weak-spined or not.

Interesting how the "fiscal cliff" really only got put on the table after the election. I don't recall any media gnashing of teeth pre-election over the fact that the Democrats and Obama had led us to this precipice and that some tough choices might have to be made. Now it's being presented as a hurdle that's the fault of both parties, and one that needs to be solved immediately. Now there is pressure for the parties to quickly "move beyond partisanship" (meaning give the Democrats pretty much everything they want NOW, because we have another crisis- after all, 'I won'.).

Some good economists, and my own financial guy (not a lib) have indicated there is reality to the "cliff". If the house digs in its heels and fights Obama hard, and the economy goes further in the tank, the Democrats and the media will demagogue every piece of economic bad news as a result of the GOP'sfailing to heed the true needs of the people.If the GOPcaves (even partially), they take co-ownership with the Lightworker of the economy.

Again, to me this is a time for sober reflection and brainstorming from the ground up, not capitulating to the media's and Obama's premise that we are all Democrats now. But there are a lot of miserable political winds swirling that will impact any decision that is made.







Posted by: RM at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (TRsME)

462 Hey, you guys said it was going to be a romney landslide.

Hey, you guys said UE would be down to 5%.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (XMaKL)

463 Well looky there!

Hannity will resurrect Karl Rove!

My God, it's just a money-making racket to these ass clowns.

Posted by: Ronin at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (AzwZn)

464 How would he have done worse than Romney?

He'd still be trying to chase down the last squirrel unleashed by the Obama campaign.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (SY2Kh)

465 You are not answering my question, Olaf: What is your share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (z9HTb)

466 I would add (4) - telling all Republicans NEVER to
tell the Media anything that could even remotely be seen in a damaging
light. Make sure that every R candidate KNOWS and REPEATS that the Media
is the Enemy: they do not want to hear your views, they do not want to
be your friend. They want to DESTROY you.


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (P7hip)

And you would think anyone who is conservative and conscious ought to know this. I keep being astounded at how many of our candidates do not seem to get it that THE MEDIA *****HATE**** you!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (R9579)

467 Protip: When you just got your ass kicked by black voters, talking about secession is a really, really bad idea.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (aBlZ1)


Give me a fucking break. I am SO SICK of people who find "raaacism" in everything and are so worried about being called "raaaacists". Just stop, already.

Maybe I misremember your posts but I don't recall you writing this sort of shit before. Get a fucking grip. I couldn't give a shit what anyone thinks about me and I certainly don't care what people who have worked hard to destroy America think about anything.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (X3lox)

468 "Over the years I have known plenty of people in the pro-life movement in my state, and the ones that insist on banning abortion for rape or incest are very much in the minority, and it is an extreme position "

Then you are not pro-life. You are pro-responsibility. Nothing wrong with that. But I think Mourdouch's point, although ill-conceived, is that rape babies are babies too.I don't happen to agree with him, I think women should have a choice, butat least he is consistent with his stance on abortion. The GOP is not. I wish the GOP would stay out of the abortion issue. They believe that they are pro-choice, but are actually pro-abortion on every issue except when it comes to letting some crack whore have an abortion.

Posted by: Whatever Again at November 12, 2012 05:11 PM (zYCz+)

469 Maybe somebody with historical know how can do a timeline of events that occurred when Castro/Lenin/Stalin and friends took power. I'm guessing Obama's m.o. is going to be: purge his own ranks of anyone less than 110% committed to his regime, then go after his opposition - politicians, the educated professionals and then the average citizens.

Posted by: misty at November 12, 2012 05:12 PM (FRnn2)

470
And I still say primaries should be scheduled
based on percent a State voted Republican in the last general. Damn blue
States should not be choosing our candidate.


Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (YdQQY)

Fucking right about this! I'm sick of hearing about New Hampshire and Iowa. Everybody should vote the same day, as far as i'm concerned.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:12 PM (R9579)

471 We go nowhere without the arrest, prosecution, and imprisoning of as many vote fraudsters as possible. Without enforcement and punishment of the disenfranchisement of the People, we cannot expect any of our votes to matter at all.

When you get more than a dozen of those shitters sitting in prison for 25 to 50 years each, then we've got something to plan.

Without prosecuting those criminals, we won't have dick.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 12, 2012 05:12 PM (JVGuP)

472 416 The way to deal with Moochers (seems to me) is to hold govt. to very high standards...
Dems give them a phone
Reps ask why the poor can't have an unlimited minutes?
Dems give them an unlimited minutes
Reps ask why the poor can't have unlimited text?

Keep promises going at that rate
However, tie the funding of that to something like taxing celebrities/Hollywood or a yacht tax to pay for it.

Divide and conquer as applied to Govt...

Posted by: aj at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (eS0Ui)

--I think you're on to something. The GOP is too stupid to go with it, but I like it.

Posted by: logprof at November 12, 2012 05:12 PM (jKE+Z)

473 we laughed at the campaigner in chief, remember?

As it happens, we laughed at a lot of the things Obama's campaign did that turned out to be effective. We laughed at birth control and Big Bird, we laughed that anyone would vote for Obama because Romney has a car elevator, we laughed at all kinds of things. It turns out that alongside the laughing we also needed clear highly public messaging that explained why everyone should laugh at those things. Romney never did much to dispel the "ban on tampons" rumor, or to point out that Sesame Street is wildly profitable, or to mention that car elevators are boring and common in Asia.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 12, 2012 05:13 PM (B/VB5)

474 Great news! We get to see how the Fatal Sequence plays out

The historical cycle seems to be:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to selfishness;
From selfishness to apathy;
From apathy to dependency;

And from dependency back to bondage once more.

Henning Webb Prentis, Jr.,

Posted by: LITY at November 12, 2012 05:13 PM (EU/eY)

475 Rubio can handle the media.
His story is the true dream.
That and he can deliver Florida fairly easily.
That and having a Hispanic (yes I know he's Cuban, so fuck off) as running for PRESIDENT will influence Latino voters in other swing states.

Back that up with genius soon to be President TOM COTTON (would you mother fuckers look this guy up and get behind him now!!!!! a man from Hope, AR, war hero, Harvard law grad, I mean fuck!!!!!!!)

We could be talking about 16 YEARS of pub rule as Prez.!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:13 PM (tVTLU)

476 It could be that Obama has failed himself into victory.

Fuck up, move up. Sounds about right

Or, put another way, he's a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 05:13 PM (cMdem)

477 weasel zippers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (79ueO)

Thanks. I don't hit them every day, just once in a while.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:13 PM (R9579)

478 @445

you can hate it. But it's true.
Women went 7 to 1 for Obama.

Women want government daddies/hubbies.
In general they also fear words like "war" and "secession"
(see @386) because we must "play nice" but yet be understanding of "ladyparts" which are holy and sacrosanct or something.

I have yet to see an election or a country lost due to the debate over a scrotum.

Pinkout anyone?





Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 05:13 PM (EZl54)

479
Taxpayers...you don't pay Taxes, you don't vote.Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (i3OIF)

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The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote.
That's what I was replying to.

And I agree with you about the...."you don't pay Taxes, you don't vote".
That would cull out the herd a lot.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:14 PM (ICEh3)

480 Oh, and the so called conservatives who voted for O, Barry is going to own your house and ALLOW you to live there. And you will like it or else.

Posted by: misty at November 12, 2012 05:14 PM (FRnn2)

481 I think Liz Cheney would be a great candidate for '16. Love her!

Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 05:14 PM (kpCLl)

482 The generation that elected FDR was just about as bad, but at least they had the good sense to come up with term limits.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2012 05:14 PM (Mxt9o)

483 We defeated Carter.

But Carter didn't have media bodyguards.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 05:14 PM (r2PLg)

484
475 what the fuck is a tom cotton?
dude shut up

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:14 PM (/8JT8)

485 Well looky there!

Hannity will resurrect Karl Rove!

My God, it's just a money-making racket to these ass clowns.
Posted by: Ronin at November 12, 2012 05:10 PM (AzwZn)

You know, I guess I was slow and it took me a while to see it, but yeah. there's not a hell of a lot of difference tween Rove and Plouffe.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:15 PM (3Y7RV)

486 Thanks. I don't hit them every day, just once in a while.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:13 PM (R9579)

They often have stuff before Drudge, Brietbart, or the Daily Caller. I hit them alot during the day.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 05:15 PM (79ueO)

487 If the house digs in its heels and fights Obama hard, and the economy goes further in the tank, the Democrats and the media will demagogue every piece of economic bad news as a result of the GOP'sfailing to heed the true needs of the people.If the GOPcaves (even partially), they take co-ownership with the Lightworker of the economy.

---------
The Dems will never take co-ownership, they will always pin the blame on the GOP (either past or present). And what good is taking co-ownership if you get nothing good from it. Let the media blame the GOP. Let's at least get more people back on the tax rolls.

Posted by: SH at November 12, 2012 05:15 PM (gmeXX)

488 #449 That ad made me so mad I screamed every time I saw it. We've had FIVE Republican Presidents since Roe v. Wade, and not one of them got it overturned. Yet we're supposed to believe that Moderate Mitt would?

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 05:15 PM (aBlZ1)

489 I have a more barbaric view of abortion. I don't like it, but it will happen anyway, and if the dems want to abort themselves then why get in the way.

Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 05:16 PM (FMbng)

490 Second, the media is carpet bombing us and thats why
we cant win. THe shit you and I obsess over, 90% of the electorate has
never heard of it. Don't even get me started on fiscal policy.

The problem is who watches the watchmen?

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 04:45 PM (t06LC)

People WOULD care about it if the Media would cover it in a manner so as to make the public care.
I remember 1992. The Media would not shut up about how bad the economy was, even though it wasn't really bad. The Day after the election Peter Jennings announced " It's a Miracle! The Economy actually recovered back in March! Sorry for all that bad news we've been feeding you up till now! And now let us congratulate president Clinton on his Election victory! "
Bunch of cocksuckers.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:17 PM (R9579)

491 Blow me navycopjoe. you fucking idiots should look that guy up, just won R - 4th Dist. Arkansas.
A real war hero, front lines in Afghanistan and Iraq and REQUESTED infantry.
The message was not the problem this election.
IT WAS THE MESSENGER.
And yes, I thought Mitt could do it and was very well qualified.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:17 PM (tVTLU)

492 Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (YdQQY)

At least those assholes in Iowa wouldn't be on the news. Anything that prevents those smug fucks from showing their ugly mugs on TV will get my support.

Three primaries/week starting in April.

That would work.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 05:17 PM (GsoHv)

493 489 I have a more barbaric view of abortion. I don't like it, but it will happen anyway, and if the dems want to abort themselves then why get in the way.
Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 05:16 PM (FMbng)


Yep, and we should be fucking like bunnies pumping out little conservatives.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:18 PM (3Y7RV)

494 Then you are not pro-life. You are pro-responsibility. Nothing wrong with that. But I think Mourdouch's point, although ill-conceived, is that rape babies are babies too.I don't happen to agree with him, I think women should have a choice, butat least he is consistent with his stance on abortion. The GOP is not. I wish the GOP would stay out of the abortion issue. They believe that they are pro-choice, but are actually pro-abortion on every issue except when it comes to letting some crack whore have an abortion.
Posted by: Whatever Again at November 12, 2012 05:11 PM (zYCz+)

Wait...so 'rape babies' aren't 'babies' but 'consensual babies' are babies.

I really hope that isn't what you mean.

Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 05:18 PM (x7g7t)

495 489 120th trimester abortion?

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:18 PM (/8JT8)

496 "Perry is also very charismatic. We need charismatic candidates out there to 'sell' conservative ideas."
He has a lot of work to do, and it may be a long shot, but with what happened last Tuesday, everything is on the table. I don't thinkPerry should be written off as totally out of the running for 2016.

Posted by: RM at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (TRsME)

497 491 Blow me navycopjoe. you fucking idiots should look that guy up, just won R - 4th Dist. Arkansas.
A real war hero, front lines in Afghanistan and Iraq and REQUESTED infantry.
The message was not the problem this election.
IT WAS THE MESSENGER.
And yes, I thought Mitt could do it and was very well qualified.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:17 PM (tVTLU)

It isn't the message or the messenger.

It's the people receiving the message.

Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (x7g7t)

498 Oldsailors, WORKING ON IT. hahahahaha.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (tVTLU)

499 Hey, you guys said it was going to be a romney landslide.

I confess to being gobsmacked by the results. I really could not conceive of as large a portion of the electorate being so math impaired that the implications of something as simple as compound interest would whiz right past them.

Truthfully, I'm still gobsmacked.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (QupBk)

500 481 I think Liz Cheney would be a great candidate for '16. Love her!
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 05:14 PM (kpCLl)

I'm on board with that Peach. Serious Woman for Serious times.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (3Y7RV)

501 491 yawn

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (/8JT8)

502
443....What's worse is that Perry's rambling, mumbling, medicated debate performance has basically killed any future he might have had as a national candidate in future.

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Nah.
I think Perry could rehabilitate his image.

He could do it by standing in front of a screen...and replaying the footage of himself, doing the mumbling and blank-out stuff.
Then...
He could simply say something like...
"Wow. That was bad, wasn't it. Let this be a lesson to you. Don't have back surgery and then go on national TV while on pain medication."

But he needs to start doing things like this, long before the next election cycle gets here.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (ICEh3)

503 Hasty my ass! It's fucking over.

Unlikelies prefer Dems 2-1. They are more likely to vote in every subsequent election with new tech. We are verily fucked. Unlikelies turned out in huge numbers. And they'll only turn out in larger numbers in the future.

The "movement" is over. Completely done.

Posted by: That's right at November 12, 2012 05:20 PM (+68kf)

504 boo!

Posted by: secession at November 12, 2012 05:20 PM (EZl54)

505 This shit started happening in Wilson's regime,
bloomed in the 60's and is now upon us in full and unabashed force.
That's what, 100 years? How much fucking longer are you going to need to
get your goddamn perspective?









Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 04:49 PM (00XQo)

Sorry. Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, etc. in that order.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:21 PM (R9579)

506
499 Truthfully, I'm still gobsmacked
really?
just consider for a second that voters watch honey boo boo

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:21 PM (/8JT8)

507 blindside,
well, that's kind of a weird one, but yeah IT'S ALWAYS THAT WAY.
Hispanics have not taken over OH. We lost connection with our core voter, lower-middle class whites.
That's what we need to take back, and frankly, they were put off by Mitt quite a lot.
That's what we need to recapture as well as expand the base.
Individual freedom and rights should always win out.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:21 PM (tVTLU)

508 The "movement" is over. Completely done.

Dig the bunker deep, my brother.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:22 PM (QupBk)

509 Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (ICEh3)

I think you're right, wheatie. And I still love the guy. It was a fucked up confluence of circumstances that put him on the sidelines. And I do believe that barry and company much preferred Romney and they got what they wanted.

Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 05:22 PM (kpCLl)

510 I think we might have something that everyone can agree on:

Letting two blue states like Iowa and New Hampshire vote first is brain dead.

How about a rule: all states that voted blue last election can only hold their primaries after all states that voted red have had their primaries?

Posted by: cool breeze at November 12, 2012 05:23 PM (A+/8k)

511 I wish that Karl Rove would retire gracefully
As GW Bush did. I have Hannity on now
And Rove is on!!

Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 05:24 PM (s0f54)

512 I think you're right, wheatie. And I still love the guy. It was a fucked up confluence of circumstances that put him on the sidelines. And I do believe that barry and company much preferred Romney and they got what they wanted.
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 05:22 PM (kpCLl)

I think the MSM picked our candidate again. They destroyed everyone till only Romney was left.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:24 PM (3Y7RV)

513 501, that attitude put this stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure in office.
And if anyone would read the bio of Tom Cotton you will see this guy is the real deal.

Or for fuck's sake, we could have more of the same from the pubs? How's that working out for you.
THE LAST NON SUPER-RICH AND SUPER-ENTITLED PRESIDENT THAT THE PUBS HAVE PUT FORWARD WAS
RONALD REAGAN!!!!!!!!!
But yeah, the messenger means nothing eh?

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:24 PM (tVTLU)

514 Is tomorrow too soon to take a break from castigating each other? We could be using this site to work out stuff we should be calling and writing our reps about.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:24 PM (QupBk)

515 Back to my theme about how the Bush family ruined the Reagan legacy.



Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (ymG7s)

What REALLY screwed HW Bush was his lie. "Read my lips, no new taxes."

Because he broke his promise, he couldn't point out what an unmitigated fucking liar Bill Clinton was, and always had been. Bush lost the Character issue, which was his most potent weapon against the Lying-Ass Clinton.

Bush gave us Clinton. Had he been a real conservative, that wouldn't have happened. It's that "Kinder, Gentler" bullshit that made him an albatross for his party's legacy.





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (R9579)

516 Fuck all the bedwetting. WWBD? I am sure that Breitbart would have been out rollerblading amongst the lefties on Wednesday. We have a sound philosophy and our economics make sense. The pendulum will swing back and we had better be ready when it does.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (jucos)

517 #467 I haven't written much on racial stuff over the years. But this secession crap has my teeth rattling. If you can't understand the blatant racial overtones of it, I can't help you. The Left went batshit crazy in 2007 when Rick Perry made some dumb offhanded comment about "separation." I guarantee you that if Perry's campaign had gained traction this would have been a HUGE thing used against him.

It's almost a corollary to Godwin's Law. Yiou can't invoke Hitler to win an argument and you can't talk about secession after losing an election to a black guy.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (aBlZ1)

518
you know, the last time Da BEARS won the super Ronald Reagan was the president and everything was great in this country

so, if all you h8rs would start rooting for the correct team, we can get a true conservative back in office

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (/8JT8)

519 41
This reminds me of a story!When Josef Stalin was on his deathbed


Except, of course, that Stalin never completely regained consciousness after his final stroke, and never said an intelligible word on his deathbed.

Posted by: Adjoran at November 12, 2012 05:26 PM (ZHQvg)

520 Oh look!

L.A. has the answer to everything--

Meatless Monday!

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 05:26 PM (r2PLg)

521
451...oh sweet shit floating in my bowl of captain crunch
no No NO!!!
forget fucking Rubio, very low name recognition and he is afraid of the media

what you need is a conservative who will stand up to the opposition and the media at every turn
with some sweet name recognition
we lost because people stayed at home, get people fucking pumped up to get off their ass and pull the level

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:08 PM (/8JT

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This!
I agree navycopjoe.

We need someone that fires up the base.
And also appeals to some conservative Dems.

People want to see a fighter.
Romney fought against his conservative opponents, harder than he fought against the JEF.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:26 PM (ICEh3)

522 514 Is tomorrow too soon to take a break from castigating each other? We could be using this site to work out stuff we should be calling and writing our reps about.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:24 PM (QupBk)

Shit, that's no fun.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:26 PM (3Y7RV)

523 I don't know what it will take. I talk to my cousins in Greece and they seem not to care what will happen to the country as long as they are taken care of.

I then ask them what happens when the money eventually runs out...

...no answers.

Posted by: skilaki at November 12, 2012 05:26 PM (CFOVo)

524 Less Hannity, more Ace!

That's the key to higher pudding futures.

Posted by: Ronin at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (AzwZn)

525 +Krugman, Olbermann, Schultz, ad infinitem.



And they'll faint before you hit them, so don't let them off that easy.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (hNXHo)



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (R9579)

526 511 I wish that Karl Rove would retire gracefully
As GW Bush did. I have Hannity on now
And Rove is on!!
Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 05:24 PM (s0f54)


Jeez, I wish Hannity would go with him. Lousy debater and not one of the great brains of the conservative movement. And now, he too wants us to cave.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (XkWWK)

527 448
Hey, you guys said it was going to be a romney landslide.

Posted by: Olaf

Yeah, I've eaten my crow. Enough.

Posted by: Dianna at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (mKMj1)

528 I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally -- and it's never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching consequences when you're in such a state.

This. A thousand times, this!

Posted by: weew at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (6ll+l)

529 Sign the secession petitions!!! Take this seriously. Nullification of Obama's rule is the first best thing we can do.

Posted by: Sidney Allen Johnson at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (s4E5M)

530 you know, the last time Da BEARS won the super Ronald Reagan was the president and everything was great in this country

so, if all you h8rs would start rooting for the correct team, we can get a true conservative back in office
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (/8JT
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Mt porn mustache thanks you.

Posted by: Jay Cutler at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (jucos)

531 518 Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (/8JT


The Bears play for CHICAGO at SCOAMF Field.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 05:28 PM (XkWWK)

532 i wont give obama ANY credit for policy implementation, lets face it...he sucks at this job. the evidence is out there if you wish to see it. the man campaigned since being sworn in the first time and thats ALL he did.

we lost because of the liberal culture and thats it. no need to get deeply intellectual about any of this and try to 'evolve' in our views or stances. it was one big reality TV show out there for the electorate. what we have to do is simple...get in the show with them.

ive been saying for a long time we have to hit the idiot voters where it counts- their pride. being the nice guy aint workin, so now its time to bitch slap.

welfare queen single mothers should be called out on their bad decision making, beta males need to be laughed at for their laziness and crybaby attitude.

we're not gonna get the black vote so fuck em, why try to reach out?

the hispanics are another matter. divide them between the workers who are trying and the freeloaders in their midst.

and the media needs to be scorned most of all. i like breitbart's 'big hollywood' and 'newsbusters'...i see maybe a cable channel in the future...why not? were the ones with the money.

simple and easy.

Posted by: laughing at neck braces at November 12, 2012 05:28 PM (nVqtU)

533 530 you know, my keyboard really hates you guys

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:29 PM (/8JT8)

534 Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (/8JT

Well NCJ, Cultler don't heal, our boys are fucked.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:29 PM (3Y7RV)

535 People who claim that they would vote Republican if it weren't for the
social issues are deluding themselves and those fiscal conservatives who
do vote Republican. It is just a nice thing to say because in theory
they may support limited government, but in reality they want it . The
abortion issue simply gives them cover.


I love looking at the difference between what people say and what they actually do. There was once a psychology experiment* that asked a couple of hundred people what they would do if they found a $20.00 bill lying on the pavement with a 'help desk' fifty feet away. The vast majority said they would take the money to the 'help desk'. So they then dropped the $20.00 on the pavement and recorded what happened for a couple hundred times. Nobody carried the $20.00 to the 'help desk'. They stuck it in their pocket and walked away.

Stuff like this makes me scratch my head. Almost as much as people who claim to be homosexual, but when investigated have spent the majority of their lives in heterosexual relationships. I scratch my head.

Anyway, as philosophically opposed to abortion as I may be, I realize people lie, and that lie should not be the reason that a perfectly winnable election is lost, if candidates would only realize that stepping to the left or right of that third rail is a perfectly acceptable way to deal with liars.

* I have no source for this except classroom twenty odd years ago. Also; as a warning, most psychological per-employment questionnaires use some variant of this question to screen applicants. Why? Because they should.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 12, 2012 05:29 PM (feFL6)

536 Jeez, I wish Hannity would go with him. Lousy
debater and not one of the great brains of the conservative movement.
And now, he too wants us to cave.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (XkWWK)

That's because Hannity always gets his talking points from RNC Central Command.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 12, 2012 05:29 PM (BuSM8)

537 "Letting two blue states like Iowa and New Hampshire vote first is brain dead."

I'm from New Hampshire and I agree.

Is Sparta still around?

Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 12, 2012 05:30 PM (3bo9E)

538
I'm thinking if I hold onto hope, I'll lose everything I've got. I honestly don't know what action to take.

So I guess I ponder it until something collapses.


Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 04:51 PM (lkjWK)

I empathize, and I don't know what to tell you. I think i'm set up better than most, but not nearly enough so as to give me a feeling of security. I'm working to get off the grid as much as possible and become as self reliant as possible. I'm not so worried about living without money as I am about defending what i've got from the zombie hordes.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:30 PM (R9579)

539 you know, my keyboard really hates you guys

And unluckily for us, it voted 27 times last Tuesday.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:30 PM (QupBk)

540 Obamacare will be firmly entrenched in the American model. Eventually the country will come around, just like you did with SS, Medicare, Medicaid.

Life moves on. Things change. Conservatives stew about it, but eventually die off, replaced by the next bunch. Remember those guys in the 50s with the buzz cuts and horn rimmed glasses, yelling about the evils of Rock 'n' Roll?

Today's conservatives are those guys all over again.

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:30 PM (t1NLo)

541 I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing
ourselves to wholesale changes. We need some data, and we need some
thinking.
..........
Yeah, Ace. We definitely need some perspective.

I'm sure that's what the Poles thought after the Nazis invaded them in 1939.

"Hmmm.. let's see.. where did we go wrong and how are we going to do better next time?"

But there wasn't any next time. There was:
A. Give in
B. Die
C. Give in and probably die anyway
D. Wait until the Third Reich collapses (If B C didn't get ya)

Our choices are learn to live with it and wait for the whole thing to collapse.

We can only try to do as much as we can do to hasten the collapse. That might be ok for you younger guys gals. But I'm 61. I will likely not see another conservative led America in my lifetime.

If conservatives in Congress grew some balls and shut down the government come the next debt ceiling or budget battle, I might have some hope. But even then, the "takers" would blame the GOP anyway, so it wouldn't help politically.

Nope. We're f*cked. This was our last chance.

But maybe I just need to give myself some time to get some perspective...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (f9c2L)

542 534 depends, sanchez went out yesterday also with a concussion

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (/8JT8)

543 wheatie and navycopjoe,

I don't understand what is wrong with Rubio though. I actually donated to him and thought his speech at the convention was fantastic.
Why do you think he isn't a fighter??? He's got a solid base.

And yes, if only we could have a true-blue conservative like Reagan and a Bears superbowl, the country would be BACK!!

I blame nothing on GWB, but he suffers from the same flaws that most of our candidates have had recently (i.e., rich kid, wasn't a veteran, etc.)
We need a strong principled set of candidates that came from nothing, even an immigrant background, and fought for this country.
Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016.
Watch it happen. Tom Cotton will be the next Senator from Arkansas.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (tVTLU)

544 Rick Perry the new Fred Thompson for the whiners.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (qBtUE)

545 Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (/8JT



Well NCJ, Cultler don't heal, our boys are fucked.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:29 PM (3Y7RV)


He'll have to be the Terminator to survive with that offensive line

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (1Jaio)

546 471 Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 12, 2012 05:12 PM (JVGuP)


We'll prosecute vote fraudsters just as soon as the border fence is erected.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (XkWWK)

547 Maybe we should all apply for food stamps and help it along.

Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 04:52 PM (QW+AD)

Anything which will force a realization, will at this point be beneficial in the long run. Painful, but perhaps mitigating worse pain later.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (R9579)

548 What damaged the republican party more than anything is that regular people believe that there is no difference between the parties. Not so much ideological, what people mean when they say this is that no one is going what they were elected to do. They go to DC, they become millionaires, they do what is best for them and their families.

There are no one statesman, it's just what kind of welfare you're on. They're all dependent on the government.

Posted by: Caustic at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (/b8+5)

549 When will the GOP ever learn that being nice in a presidential campaign will not win them the White House?

And when will the GOP ever learn to combat the media that is overtly hostile to them?

Posted by: skilaki at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (CFOVo)

550 Today's conservatives are those guys all over again.
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:30 PM (t1NLo)

Cept we are heavily armed and half fucking crazy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (3Y7RV)

551 I think the "47% argument" is valid, but I don't think that it was decisive in this election. Obama didn't win because more people were on food stamps and thus voted for him, if that were true, should he have outperformed his 2008 voting totals?

And not everyone on say the largest entitlements like MediCare and
Social Security are automatically Democrats, in fact, we did quite well
with that demographic.

Most people that I know and have been able to comfortably discuss politics with aren't Democrats because they're wards of the state that would be on the street otherwise, they're turned off by a party that sounds like the Preacher from "Footloose". I obviously think the media over emphasizes this, but that element is certainly there and if someone is not religious, they'll find every reason to be against a political party that emphasizes those issues.

As far as "what to do about it" I would hope we can all be in agreement that we can't become the Party of food stamps and free cell phones, but we can be the Party of free people vs free shit.


Posted by: McAdams at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (aVSeo)

552 HELLO!


Posted by: Mike Huckabee Suddenly Barging Through the Door


Heh. Yeah, the only thing that would make me wish Santorum was the nominee would be if Huckabee was the nominee instead.

Huckabee's the WORST.

Look, Santorum is probably a decent guy. But given his long record of infamous public statements (on contraception, on sodomy, on the separation of church and state, etc.), Santorum (especially as viewed through the MSM) would be like having Akin at the top of the ticket.

Stephanopoulous's "contraception" question-- Santorum provided the opening for that. Santorum himself said he found the evils of contraception-- not abortion, contraception-- to be a public policy issue a POTUS should be talking about (sounds like preaching to me) from the White House.

The GOP brand needs some rethinking, some rehab. Brand "Santorum" is just NOT the way to go.

I'm not saying socons or soconservatism should be dismissed. I consider socons valuable allies, though I'm not a socon myself.

But the GOP HAS to start appealing to younger voters, many of whom have a "libertarian" streak that might be educated/ cultivated into conservatism. Santorum as GOP nominee (which would mean a 2016 election covered by the MSM as 100% absolute culture war, social issues, war on women gays) will repel young voters (and women) from the GOP much more than they are already.


Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 05:32 PM (tUcg9)

553 Olaf, when was the last time you looked at a balance statement?

Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 12, 2012 05:33 PM (3bo9E)

554
539 actually paul ryan and linda linglegot all 10 of my votes
Romney got them too by default

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:33 PM (/8JT8)

555 I agree, AllenG.
What I like about the Republican party...is that it is the party of Freedom.

But this argument falls apart with the abortion issue.
Telling women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to choose an abortion, is contrary to the idea of being the party of Liberty.

There are a lot of men who are pro-choice.
They want to have that option available.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (ICEh3)

Honestly, I'm mostly done with the abortion debate. Someone said 'it is a moral issue, we can't win by trying to change the law'.

I agree - if we don't like, we fight the battles on moral and ethical grounds. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.

People need to understand what abortion means and what it does - both to the woman and the ultimate victim. It's going to take hardcore ads and a parade of women who, like former gangsters and drug addicts, talk about it.

There are two exceptions - I will not - cannot - support late term (3rd trimester) abortions NOR will I EVER support letting babies who survive abortions die. The good thing is, that I have majority support in those positions. We need to take those positions and explain them to Democrats - ask if they agree with us, and then let them know that their chosen party supports this kind of thing.

The same arguments need to apply for tax cuts, deregulation, etc. We need to frame these in ways they understand.

'You work for your money - when the government taxes you to give to someone else, they steal those hours away from you - so that someone else can stay home. Wouldn't you rather have that money or time back?'

Do you like being told what kind of showerhead you can use? Do you know why it seems you have to flush toilets multiple times? Are you aware that if you want to build a shed or make some changes to your house, you have to get permission from the government to do these things - to YOUR property?

If you own the property, how is it that the government can take it from you, even once you pay it off completely, if you don't pay property taxes. That sort of means you don't really own it, right?

Why should people who don't own property have any say in if your property taxes should go up?

etc,etc. We have to give concrete examples and make people THINK.

Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 05:33 PM (x7g7t)

556 Obamacare will be firmly entrenched in the American model. Eventually
the country will come around, just like you did with SS, Medicare,
Medicaid.


Until the money runs out, of course, then what are you gonna do?

Methinks the picture's too big for your frame, Olaf...

Posted by: Armando at November 12, 2012 05:33 PM (5iuEW)

557 Eventually the country will come around, just like you did with SS, Medicare, Medicaid.

Do I need to link the chart that shows those are the exact three things that are driving our coming financial collapse, dunce?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:33 PM (QupBk)

558 or is that too "mathy" for you?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (QupBk)

559 He could simply say something like...
"Wow. That was bad, wasn't it.
Let this be a lesson to you. Don't have back surgery and then go on
national TV while on pain medication."

br]This is your candidate. This is your candidate on drugs. Any questions? (followed by a montage of Joe Biden smashing things with a skillet)

Posted by: wooga at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (vjyZP)

560
I thought triumph of the moochers immediately after the election, then I went thru a whole bunch of other machinations, and I have come back to my original thought. And if it is the case, we're boned. That's how national moocherism always ends, in a painful boning.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (PHb2k)

561 History repeats for conservatives. Child labor. Workplace safety laws. Women's suffrage. Desegregation.

You guys always lose in the end.

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (t1NLo)

562 Breaking ABC Petraeus could face charges.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (r2PLg)

563 The Cloward-Piven strategy. Get so many people addicted to free shit, that the government can no longer provide it. Government collapses, and aCommunist revolution is fostered.40"The Free Shit Army will turn on Obastard when the Free Shit is all gone."

No, not really. They would have to up the fantasy of entitlement.
The people that will be turned on will be those who still have jobs.
Posted by: RayJ at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (pI/IV)

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (EXxnp)

564 It's almost a corollary to Godwin's Law. Yiou can't invoke Hitler to win an argument and

Er ... that's just silliness. You don't know what Godwin's Law is and don't seem to get that it's a fucking joke. "Godwin's Law" is not about "being able" to invoke Hitler to win an argument. And it is a joke.

you can't talk about secession after losing an election to a black guy.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (aBlZ1)


I find that attitude offensively stupid. Truly.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 05:35 PM (X3lox)

565 "When will the GOP ever learn that being nice in a presidential campaign will not win them the White House?"
==========

I...almost won it?

Posted by: Mitt Romney, Channeling the Cruiser from Stripes at November 12, 2012 05:35 PM (znT2j)

566 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (tVTLU)

George W Bushwas a veteran.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 05:35 PM (m2CN7)

567 Broadwell’s father says there’s more to the story

POSTED AT 10:36 AM ON NOVEMBER 12, 2012 BY ED MORRISSEY

You know, he’s probably right, but I’m not sure if that’s going to turn out well for his daughter, either:

But Broadwell’s father said Sunday his daughter is the victim of character assassination and implied the bombshell story is just a smoke screen for something bigger.

“This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” Broadwell’s dad, Paul Krantz, told the Daily News outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.

“There is a lot more that is going to come out,” said Krantz, claiming he was not allowed to elaborate. “You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.”

He said he supports his daughter “100%.”


Our only hope is that someone breaks and then the dam breaks?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 05:35 PM (79ueO)

568 We need some data, and we need some thinking.

My sinking feeling says that that thinking and those decisions will be made by thirty-year Beltway veterans.

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 05:36 PM (FcR7P)

569 Heh. The right has no say in what laws are passed. Soon, we will have a 7-2 SCOTUS. We have lost the universities, the schools and public employees. We have never had the black vote and we won't have much of the Hispanic vote.
Why did we lose it? Cuz we got up and went to work every day.
Good news is, our soon-to-be military weakness will probably deprive us of everything we have worked for for two hundred years, so it doesn't really matter what the FSA does.
yip, I am a little bleak right now.

Posted by: Artruen at November 12, 2012 05:36 PM (fDGF1)

570 As far as "what to do about it" I would hope we can all be in agreement that we can't become the Party of food stamps and free cell phones, but we can be the Party of free people vs free shit.


Posted by: McAdams at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (aVSeo)
--------------------------------------------------------
This. A thousand times this.

Posted by: Jay Cutler at November 12, 2012 05:36 PM (jucos)

571
558 too mathy for the idiot
put it in WoW or halo terms and he'll get it

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:36 PM (/8JT8)

572 As far as trolls go, Olaf sucks at it.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 05:36 PM (znT2j)

573 I think the MSM picked our candidate again. They destroyed everyone till only Romney was left.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:24 PM (3Y7RV)


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It wasn't just the MFM. All one had to do is get on one of the primary threads here on AoSHQ to see who the type of people were who disqualified our best candidates.

Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 05:36 PM (gD/bl)

574 Life moves on. Things change.


Olaf, you are being very impolite. Please answer my question.


What is your share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 05:36 PM (z9HTb)

575 You guys always lose in the end.

Funny. I always win in the end.

Posted by: Math at November 12, 2012 05:37 PM (5iuEW)

576 Evening Horde. 570 comments....I miss anything important?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 05:37 PM (GEICT)

577
I have 5K more rounds inbound on UPS. Even
though I don't need it, even though some of it doesn't go with any
weapon I have. I'm thinking trade goods.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:57 PM (QupBk)

Don't know if you are against it on moral grounds or not, but I would advise cases of cheap liquor. Wiskey, Vodka, Gin, etc.
If you think things are in eminent danger of coming apart, buy cheap mouthwash with intentions of distilling it later. (Mostly drinkable alcohol)


.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:37 PM (R9579)

578 If you can't understand the blatant racial overtones of it, I can't help you. The Left went batshit crazy in 2007 when Rick Perry made some dumb offhanded comment about "separation." I guarantee you that if Perry's campaign had gained traction this would have been a HUGE thing used against him.

It's almost a corollary to Godwin's Law. Yiou can't invoke Hitler to win an argument and you can't talk about secession after losing an election to a black guy.
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (aBlZ1)

We can't understand the 'racial overtones' to it because there aren't any.

You're seeing things that aren't there.

Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 05:38 PM (x7g7t)

579 As far as trolls go, Olaf sucks at it.

Yeah. It's like punching a mound of clay. The clay doesn't even notice, it just goes on being a lump.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:38 PM (QupBk)

580 Peter Rock,
With all due respect, the national guard isn't the kind of veteran I'm talking about.
The left even made up fake papers to destroy GW's service. But when you havea war veteran such as Tom Cotton that volunteered for front line duty
THEN THE LEFT HAS NO FUCKING THING TO SAY EXCEPT SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE IT.
Allen West is fighting for his life even though he was ass raped with a redistricting. His military service played a big role in carrying him this far.
Americans respect that, clear as day. But the national guard and fighting in wars are kind of two different things.
If anything, with GW it was MORE EVIDENCE OF PRIVILEGE than anything else.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:38 PM (tVTLU)

581
567 Broadwell’s father says there’s more to the story

that his daughter was a big tittied milf slut who was fucking a married man?
already figured that one out

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:39 PM (/8JT8)

582 I think some "depression" is what the party needs.

It has been one big self-reinforcing optimism bubble for the last 6 years, as the GOP drifts further and further from reality, and one has to look to David Axelrod, Jennifer Cutter (FFS), and, yes, Nate Silver for a reality check. Even Kos.

This did not used to be the case.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 05:39 PM (SKX2R)

583 History repeats for conservatives.


Sure do, just like my question: What is your share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 05:39 PM (z9HTb)

584 Don't know if you are against it on moral grounds or not, but I would advise cases of cheap liquor. Wiskey, Vodka, Gin, etc

The thought has occurred to me that I should corner the local Val-U-Rite market.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:39 PM (QupBk)

585 Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (t1NLo)

You are confused. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the political philosophy of most people here.

But keep arguing those points. Soon nobody will respond to your posts except to make fun of them, and you. If you are lucky your name will become a standing joke around here. If you are unlucky you will simply be ignored.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 05:39 PM (GsoHv)

586 >>>I wish the GOP would stay out of the abortion issue.

Giving up on that means giving up on the concept of the civil society in general. That lives can be ended without consequence, so long as whomever was killed lacked proper judicial standing, places all of law in jeapordy of a ghastly moral relativity wherein, in many iterations, we lack the standing to be alive. For in the eyes of the progressive no one deseves to be alive less than us. When you embrace death as an acceptable societal choice for one person to suffer to make life supposedly better for another, it shall not remain confined to the arbitrary limits of today. Death will come to define your culture. Eventually the justifications of choice, the greater good will be used to dismantle choice in life, the greater good, will decide who lives and dies. And we will be at fault for failing to protect life's sanctity.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 05:39 PM (Ub0+8)

587 I'd like to see a list of predictions for what we think the state of things will be like in November 2016, then wait four years, and see just how wrong or right we were.

Imagine if we'd done that in 2008!

Posted by: weew at November 12, 2012 05:40 PM (ElfHn)

588 I've heard it said in several different places that we won't have a white male as the nominee in '16, and I think that's correct. Whether the way gets cleared for Rubio, or it's Jindal, Martinez, or Cruz,we'll see. (And yes, CNN or CBS is going to get footage of some dummy saying something stupid about being for that person because we need to appeal to "those people", or something like that, it's inevitable.) Heck, the Dems are almost certain to nominate Hillary or possibly Elizabeth Warren.
Perry needs to be involved, because he's figured out how to get reasonable levels ofLatino support. Even if we don't go the whole-amnesty-hog, he's used other issues to earn their votes too.

Posted by: KingCranium at November 12, 2012 05:41 PM (+Uv5V)

589
My 20-something niece says"
"Here's what I would say to the Republican party:

Your ideas about smaller government and smart budget cuts aren't half bad, and it'd be nice to have other options to consider besides one party. However, your insistence on denying equal rights to 10% of the country (gays) and your continual ignorance of science (attempts to ban stem-cell research, claims that global warming isn't happening) make it hard for voters like me to relate to you. Not to mention the occasional misogynistic comment about rape. The old white guys are dying, and the new generation is ultra-informed (thanks to social media) and increasingly progressive. It's high-time you regrouped. And when you do, I'm happy to engage."
I say, as long as the Democratic party is successful in painting Republicans as ignorant and mean they're gonna win. The magic formula is to put Republican ideology in words and a format that shows directly how nice and smart it is, and hammer it like a nail.
Sorry for being serious.

Posted by: me at November 12, 2012 05:41 PM (dXvIf)

590 Imagine if we'd done that in 2008!

I think we did. IIRC, the consensus was Japan's Lost Decade, which is looking pretty spot on right now.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:41 PM (QupBk)

591 Yeah, Hannity is pretty bad. To me, the worst sin is he is so damn predictable. You listen to 30 minutes of a radio show, and you may as well have listened to him all week. Probably being generous there. More like 15 minutes. First thought is the guy is just mailing it in.

Then you see how hammering mindless drivel repeatedly for the Obama campaign, and maybe Sean is closer to reality than anyone else on our side. He's not where you go for deep intellectual discussion, but maybe he'll get a simple talking point saturated in a few low info heads for us.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 12, 2012 05:41 PM (BfZ1r)

592 @517

Sorry, maybe blue staters have deeper issues with secession since Lincoln pulled off his own imperial presidency stunt. In the South it is still the war of Northern aggression and viable for discussion, damn a bunch of racial bullshit.

Personally I don't give a damn about the black vote. They certainly have (in general ) written off everybody who looks like me.

I also do not buy off on letting marxists redefine the
language into something warmer and fuzzier and more comfortable.

In the battle for warm and fuzzy for the conservative side, if nice guy Mitt and doe-eyed Paul couldn't pull it off, it doesnt say to me " Get Nicer".

It also doesn't suggest to me that more territory needs to be ceded to the enemy, rhetorical or otherwise.

Many red state Americans are willing to fight for America but for some random Union maintained with those who daily co-opt the USA brand and yet are ideologically opposed to everything American? Not so much.

And libtards were seriously psycho long before Perry said something "scary". This is a battle of sanity versus insanity.
Compromising with insanity is ....crazy.

Secession may sound nuts to you but there are MANY who have been ready to peacefully withdraw and let the lunatics run the asylum for a long time now. At least 25000 people in Texas disagreed with you on a White House Petition started TODAY!


Posted by: secession at November 12, 2012 05:42 PM (EZl54)

593 WE CAN"T EVEN HAVE A SIMPLE PHOTO OP WITHOUT THE MEDIA FRAMING IT AND CONTEXTUALIZING IT!!


But that is the game the Dems and the media play and until we realize it we are doomed.



Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 04:59 PM (06lNq)

And this is why I think violence against media people is not a bad idea. Kick their asses a few times, and explain that you'll do it again, and they will either react with on air vitriol or over the top screaming, or they will decide maybe they don't want to be looking over their shoulder for their next ass kicking.

I am ordinarily very non-violent. I have only had to resort to it a few times in my life, but amazingly enough, every time i've had to resort to it, it solved the problem. Apparently people will show respect for people who stand up for themselves! Whodda thunk?




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:42 PM (R9579)

594 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:38 PM (tVTLU)
Glad you get to define what a veteran is or not. It was the Air National Guard by the way and some these unitsserved admirably in Vietnam.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 05:42 PM (m2CN7)

595 Oh the employment news is frightful,
But free cheese is so delightful,
And since we've no wage to earn,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn!

On Israel bombs are dropping,
But I've scrounged some corn for popping,
The good times will not return,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn!

When that ol' Bill Of Rights is gone,
And we're nothing but government drones
We'll wish we made more of a fight,
But we still have our Obama phones!

The country is slowly dying,
And the government's crap, we're buying
But I really have no concern,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn !

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 12, 2012 05:42 PM (8sCoq)

596 But Broadwell’s father said Sunday his daughter is the victim of character assassination


His daughter was fucking a married man. She's a whore. What about that doesn't he understand.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:42 PM (3Y7RV)

597 You guys always lose in the end.

Yeah, about that...

Posted by: Phyllis Schlafly at November 12, 2012 05:42 PM (5iuEW)

598 #540 - Olaf, there's just one problem with your viewpoint: We're bankrupt.

We're out of money. We can't pay for the entitlements.

So the real question is: What now?

Posted by: Dianna at November 12, 2012 05:43 PM (mKMj1)

599 The Republicans won't win the presidency again until violent crime becomes the dominant issue.

Democratic (socialist/communist) policies destroy the economy, and that leads inevitably to violent crimes. The Democrats won't be able to win on that issue, and Republicans won't win on any other issue.

Maybe 2016, or else 2020. Any decisions on Amnesty should be made in light of how it will impact violent crime. Republicans should push to contain the crime in cities and democratic enclaves - i.e. elect Republican governors and mayors wherever you can. Protect yourselves, your counties, your states, from Obama and Bloomberg and Pelosi.

Posted by: dustydog at November 12, 2012 05:43 PM (K550W)

600 We can and should be the Party of Free People but until the pendulum swings back to the point that a majority of people understand what that means, we are not going to win with that message.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 05:44 PM (MmH0Z)

601 Olaf, it is bad manners to ignore someone that is speaking directly to you.


What is your share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 05:44 PM (z9HTb)

602 "Life moves on. Things change. Conservatives stew about it, but
eventually die off, replaced by the next bunch. Remember those guys in
the 50s with the buzz cuts and horn rimmed glasses, yelling about the
evils of Rock 'n' Roll?"

True story from 2008. The Republican primaries.

I caught a news clip with Mitt Romney wrapping his arms around the shoulders of a couple of black guys he had come across on the street, and spontaneously bursting into off-key song. "Woof, woof. Who let tha dogs out?"

I said, "Oh shit. Stiff Mormon chasing the hipster youth vote. Man, don't even TRY."

Same basic problem this year.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 05:44 PM (ymG7s)

603 The late unpleasantness left secession with a bad rep.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:59 PM (QupBk)

Yeah, there's no overcoming that, but over at "Curmudgeonly and Skeptical" Rodger suggests that all the sane states get together and kick all the loons out of the Union! A sort of Reverse Secession! We keep the USA, and they can be the USSS. (Union of Soviet Socialist States.)

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:44 PM (R9579)

604 Fortunately, such idiots will now lose their houses, and will be put out on the street, and will suffer at their own hands.

Serves 'em right. I have no sympathy.

Unfortunately, they will drag us all dow with them.

They took on unsustainable debt themselves, prodded on by the Community Reinvestment Bullcrap Act, and they expect the government to bail them out by robbing the idiots who DIDN'T get in over their heads. We are such suckers.

But Obama won't save them. They aren't ING or CitiBank. They're not Solyndra and they're not PBS. They are not the UN and they're not the Muslim Brotherhood. They are not his cronies. They are expendable useful idiots.

They are the 47%. And they should starve to death so they can't continue voting for their selfish delusions of salvation at the expense of the nation and the rapidly diminishing last hope of the free world.

Posted by: Mick McMick at November 12, 2012 05:44 PM (l+MMl)

605 /sock off

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 05:44 PM (EZl54)

606 Note, the ONLY Republican who put up a fight, Alan West, looks like he will win....

Post election day, there are ALREADY 3000 votes that somehow materialized as soon as he started asking questions.

If you don't even TRY to make your opponent follow the rules... you probably won't win.... will you.... (see Obama overseas campaign contributions... and NO real stink about it from the GOP).

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 12, 2012 05:45 PM (lZBBB)

607 Leeroooooy Jeeeeenkins!

Posted by: Team ORCA Leader at November 12, 2012 05:45 PM (vjyZP)

608 Down, not dow, although that could be a Freudian slip.

Posted by: Mick McMick at November 12, 2012 05:45 PM (l+MMl)

609 joethefatman and his children will be extremely butthurt. Film at eleven-ty!!1!

Posted by: echo $MEH at November 12, 2012 05:46 PM (BHM5V)

610 418
If the MEDIA is running the United States, and they appear to be doing
that, and no one will seriously go to War with them, why bother?

Posted by: Daybrother at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (+paCV)

How many here dumped their cable after the election? I did. That is my war. I got $1500 more in my pocket. How about you?

Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 05:46 PM (lkjWK)

611
What gets me is, Romney didn't even make the best arguments for his own policies. For instance, tax cuts work because they increase economic growth and hence revenues. Tax increases do the opposite. But I don't think I heard him say this once. I also didn't hear the argument refuted that Bush's tax cuts created the financial crisis. The financial crisis was created by the federal government forcing banks to make mortgage loans to people who they knew couldn't pay them back. But I don't think I heard Romney say this.
We need to nominate a true conservative.

Posted by: norrin radd at November 12, 2012 05:46 PM (vKSyL)

612 We actually had many of the same discussions we're having now in 2008.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/277911.php#277911

I was there. I don't think I was wearing pants.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 12, 2012 05:47 PM (Ec6wH)

613 "I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally"

ilive only to witness the suffering and misery that is to come... i welcome it, i'll do whatever small things i can to hasten its arrival.

Posted by: Shoey at November 12, 2012 05:47 PM (jdOk/)

614
perry was the one they were afraid of, also the first to go

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (/8JT

Herman Cain was the one they were afraid of. I think he would have Nuked Barry had he got the chance. He wouldn't have been afraid to call him a punk, and everything in between, and the Liberal Media would have got the pimp hand.
I was really really really hoping for Herman Cain to win this, but Perry was my man after that. (Then Newt, Then Santorum, then finally by default, Romney.)



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:47 PM (R9579)

615 I think I'll go watch the rest of the five. Gutfeld is the only media person I half-ass trust anymore.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:47 PM (3Y7RV)

616 Alan West, looks like he will win....

Post election day, there are ALREADY 3000 votes that somehow materialized as soon as he started asking questions.

If you don't even TRY to make your opponent follow the rules... you probably won't win.... will you.... (see Obama overseas campaign contributions... and NO real stink about it from the GOP).
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 12, 2012 05:45 PM (lZBBB)

From your mouth to G-D's ears but I doubt COL. West will pull it out. But I am sure we will hear much from him, one way or the other, in the future.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 05:47 PM (79ueO)

617

the French Revolution, 21st Century American Style

Posted by: soothie at November 12, 2012 05:47 PM (vanqS)

618 Down, not dow, although that could be a Freudian slip.

Speaking of which, the DJIA was only down a tiny fraction today.

Happy Days Are Here Again.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:47 PM (QupBk)

619 I confess to being gobsmacked by the results. I
really could not conceive of as large a portion of the electorate being
so math impaired that the implications of something as simple as
compound interest would whiz right past them.



Truthfully, I'm still gobsmacked.





Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (QupBk)


Me too. It's hard to admit that your country, which you've always been proud of, is now made up of dumbfucks, deadbeats and cocksuckers as the majority.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 12, 2012 05:48 PM (e8MCr)

620 But this secession crap has my teeth rattling.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (aBlZ1)
You make good points, but if you believe that the country has passed a tipping point, there aren't too many other things to talk about.I do believe we have passed such a tipping point. The 47% have become 51% and are just going to be demanding that the productive minority provide them with more free stuff from here on out. Obamacare is now permanent and will cement the dependency of even more people on big government. Identity politics has triumphed with historically lopsided margins among women, blacks, Hispanics and Asians.Blacks have been voting against the GOP by at least 90% margins for generations. Nothing will ever change that and it is futile to try.The country needs a divorce.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 12, 2012 05:48 PM (A+/8k)

621 Gutfeld is the only media person I half-ass trust anymore.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:47 PM (3Y7RV)

Kilmeade in the AM may not be an intellect but he is hard core conservative from everything I have seen.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 05:48 PM (79ueO)

622 Peter Rock,

You need to get with the fucking program. I am not defining anything.

WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE AND DEFEAT THE LEFT. I told you how they tore down our current candidates and GW.
With Mitt, since they have no fucking war experience re Obama/Biden, you've got Whoopie asking Ann Romney crazy questions about Mormons not serving in the military.
With the whole group you've got them calling everyone chickenhawks.
With GW, they said it was the national guard and he got stuck in there rather than fight because of PRIVILEGE.
WE NEED TO KILL THE LEFT BEFORE THEY MAKE THE ARGUMENT.
Now what the fuck are they going to say about Tom Cotton.
3rd Generation Veteran.
From a cattle farmer. Limited means.
High school ATHLETE (not cheer leader)
Top of his class Harvard Law.
Paid off his debts and after 9-11 went to volunteer for infantry in Iraq 101st. Recruiter tried to force him into JAG, he wanted infantry.
Another tour in Afghanistan.
Then read up on his studying, very deep knowledge in conservative thought.
THIS IS OUR GUY.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (tVTLU)

623 It's hard to admit that your country, which you've always been proud of, is now made up of dumbfucks, deadbeats and cocksuckers as the majority.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 12, 2012 05:48 PM (e8MCr)

Isn't that what they make single malt for?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (79ueO)

624 chicks hate secession

I have learned this.

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (EZl54)

625 We can't understand the 'racial overtones' to it because there aren't any.



You're seeing things that aren't there.>
>
That's the real problem, Blindside...it doesn't matter what WE see and know. State's rights=slavery, secession=slavery, etc. I would think that 4 years of all criticism of Obama being labeled racist, or at least the stupid list of lefty "racial dog whistles", etc, would have made it obvious by now. Hell, here in Philly, the one state rep that mentioned the ridiculous voting numbers and obvious voting law violations was shouted down as a racist, and that's it. There is no way to have a reasonable discussion.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (YmPwQ)

626
But your theory only holds tightly for first term Obama, not winning a second term.


Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (MmH0Z)

It holds for the second term. Denying him a second term would be tantamount to admitting he was a failure, which is tantamount to admitting they were wrong. From the Media's perspective, this was like General Custer in the movie "Little Big Man."

"Your miserable life is not worth the reversal of a Custer decision! "


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (R9579)

627 I seem to be hearing some people saying Romney lost because he wasn't on TV more with colorful charts, a pocket protector, and a pointer.

Fail.

Public Service Announcement: It's 2012

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (MmH0Z)

628 It wasn't just the MFM. All one had to do is get on one of the primary
threads here on AoSHQ to see who the type of people were who
disqualified our best candidates.


Who were our best candidates?

Palwenty dropped out himself, the idiot. If he'd stuck it out, he probably could've won it.

Perry-- who disqualified him? As I recall, the attacks that probably hurt him the worst (since these were primaries) came from the right, from stalwart conservative pundits, furious at him for his "heartless" remark re immigration. Like Michelle Malkin. And Palin went after him for "crony capitalism." And Cain went after him for n***** rock. And Bachmann went kamikaze (blowing herself up in the process) on Gardisil. Etc.

It's not RINOs or moderates who took down Perry. I was rooting for Perry myself.

If you seriously think Bachmann or Cain were our "best candidates"...

Let's just say, to put it mildly-- I disagree.


Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (tUcg9)

629 Listen to it all

but man, that last 5-10 minutes...

http://youtu.be/KEdyViVg1i4

Have we had--since Reagan--as dynamic a speaker in the party?

Posted by: bigpale at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (zPwwO)

630
543 wheatie and navycopjoe,

I don't understand what is wrong with Rubio though. I actually donated to him and thought his speech at the convention was fantastic.
Why do you think he isn't a fighter??? He's got a solid base.

-------------

Rubio's a good guy.
Except forhis Dream Act stuff....he loses a lot of the base with that.
So it's not so much 'me', but whether the base would support him.

Perry garbled up his explanation of what he passed in Texas...which was *not* a Dream Act.
It was simply allowing the children of illegals to 'Pay' for their own tuition at in-state rates, if they had gone to high school there for 3 years.

But Perry lost a lot of support for that 'have a heart' remark....people went nuts over it.

Rubio has gone a lot further than that....a lot further.
He's even rather squishy about what he would do to protect the borders.
Or at least what I've heard from him so far.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:50 PM (ICEh3)

631 >>> I caught a news clip with Mitt Romney wrapping his arms around the shoulders of a couple of black guys he had come across on the street, and spontaneously bursting into off-key song. "Woof, woof. Who let tha dogs out?"

>>> I said, "Oh shit. Stiff Mormon chasing the hipster youth vote. Man, don't even TRY."

I thought you were lying, then I found it, and yeah. You weren't lying.

http://youtu.be/FDwwAaVmnf4

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 05:50 PM (SKX2R)

632 "...the Catastrophic President becomes the only lifeline available to many"

Sounds a lot like, "Hey, we'll make it up on volume."

Posted by: K~Bob at November 12, 2012 05:50 PM (mNhBm)

633 Isn't that what they make single malt for?

It's why they make Pappy Van Winkle's 23 year

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 05:50 PM (cMdem)

634

Pillow Talk Petraeus' bio is titled ALL IN

Their second choice was BALLS DEEP: How I Won In Iraq

Posted by: soothie at November 12, 2012 05:51 PM (NLH1M)

635 Right, invest in durable goods that hold value.
Tangible things. Especially since the Fed is the main buyer of US debt.
And they just print the money they use to buy it. That doesn't bode well
for the value of the dollar.

Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (QW+AD)

Better get ready to exist without the need for dollars. Old silver coins are a good idea. They can't deny that they are legal tender.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:51 PM (R9579)

636 "How many here dumped their cable after the election? I did. That is my war. I got $1500 more in my pocket. How about you?"

Ding!

I cannot tell you how good it feels to not be feeding the beast.

But here's the deal. When you dump and boycott a business, you must tell them specifically why you are dumping them. Otherwise they just figure it's normal frictional losses.

Write that letter. (Stamped postal mail is far more resonant with businesses than email is.) Tell them exactly why it is you cancelled. Their donations to Democrats. Their flagrant "news" bias. Their consistently leftwing slant to entertainment. Be impeccably polite, but leave them in no doubt why they're getting $1500 less every year.

If enough of us do that, a message WILL be received.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 05:52 PM (ymG7s)

637 Yikes, MicroSoft has lost more than 20% in the last week. That Windows8 ain't helping.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:52 PM (QupBk)

638 It is 20F today and snowing. We heat primarily with wood. Early in the season like this, I can sit for hours with a drink in my hand and watch the wood burn in the glass front wood stove. I suppose it is a couple of million years of evolution talkin' there - fire good, etc. But maybe this year it is more. Maybe I am diggin' watching the logs burn because maybe I want the whole shootin' match to burn down. I think I need another drink to continue my contemplation.

Unless AtC is gonna apply herself and get SMOD on the case.

Posted by: Muad'dib at November 12, 2012 05:52 PM (SCTXH)

639 "I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure."

Better not tell your coblogger drew.

Posted by: Jimi Ray iPhone at November 12, 2012 05:52 PM (79EF9)

640 The real reason he wasn't picked is that he was briefly a Mormon, can't have two in magic undies.

Posted by: madamex at November 12, 2012 05:52 PM (+kvQd)

641 This thread smells like my neighbor's cat.

A week ago it got run over by a car.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 05:52 PM (SY2Kh)

642 Wished I could suggest to my Congressman that Republicans put up a token
resistance against the Democrat agenda. Make it appear that the
Republicans are seen as obstructionist all the while letting the
Democrat agenda go through. Rock, paper, scissors or short straw
selection as to which of the Republicans would have to hold their nose
and vote with the Democrats. That way the people would have spoken and
the Republicans can say "we didn't vote for it". I'm thinking that
could be one way to make the Dems own it and give the Republicans
plausible "we told you so" in future elections.

If it were to
happen, we could then discuss and cuss which Republicans would have to
fall on their swords in order for specific bills to pass.

Sometimes you have to let some people hit rock bottom, touch the hot burner, etc. before they get a clue.

Posted by: Lipstick and Lead at November 12, 2012 05:53 PM (GustN)

643 589
My 20-something niece says"
"Here's what I would say to the Republican party:

Your ideas about smaller government and smart budget cuts aren't half bad, and it'd be nice to have other options to consider besides one party. However, your insistence on denying equal rights to 10% of the country (gays) and your continual ignorance of science (attempts to ban stem-cell research, claims that global warming isn't happening) make it hard for voters like me to relate to you. Not to mention the occasional misogynistic comment about rape. The old white guys are dying, and the new generation is ultra-informed (thanks to social media) and increasingly progressive. It's high-time you regrouped. And when you do, I'm happy to engage."
I say, as long as the Democratic party is successful in painting Republicans as ignorant and mean they're gonna win. The magic formula is to put Republican ideology in words and a format that shows directly how nice and smart it is, and hammer it like a nail.
Sorry for being serious.

Posted by: me at November 12, 2012 05:41 PM (dXvIf)



"Well the trouble with our liberal friends isnt that they are ignorant, it's that they know so much that just isn't so?"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 05:53 PM (GEICT)

644 You need to get with the fucking program.


Who are you, again?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 05:53 PM (z9HTb)

645 I like Cain (much more than I like Bachmann). Though I don't forgive him for pulling the race card on Perry.

But he would've been killed on foreign policy. He would've been "Palinized" by the media, very easily, as an ignoramus.

Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 05:53 PM (tUcg9)

646 Their second choice was BALLS DEEP: How I Won In Iraq

So then the third book in the trilogy must be JUST THE TIP: WHY WE LOST AFGHANISTAN

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 05:53 PM (cMdem)

647 Damn Sockpuppet,
it doesn't matter what we say - they will always call us racist. It's reflexiv like Pavlov's dog. (That probably is racist, too).

It's what they do, and they do it so we can't talk. I'm not going to spend my life worrying that everything I say might be taken as racist.

Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 05:53 PM (x7g7t)

648 Have we had--since Reagan--as dynamic a speaker in the party?



Posted by: bigpale at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (zPwwO)

West is far more dynamic, and far less of a squish. Rubio is a solid 'R' vote, in general, but he's made a career out of letting Tea Party types be the cannon fodder while he plays the middle ground.

I could support him, but I'd put a LOT of people ahead of him, first.

Posted by: K~Bob at November 12, 2012 05:54 PM (mNhBm)

649 How many here dumped their cable after the election? I did. That is my war. I got $1500 more in my pocket. How about you?

Me, too. A simple financial decision. How much of that saved money finds its way back to the networks in the form of campaign ads? It burns me that we finance their 24x7x365 in-kind contributions.

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 05:54 PM (FcR7P)

650 I've been through this. You all are too young to remember the hurt after Goldwater lost in 1964.

He was a REAL conservative, not a wannabe like Romney.

It hurt, for a long time. I still have a can of "Goldwater"

A period of morning and regrouping is in order.

It takes time, just let it go for a while.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 12, 2012 05:54 PM (wR+pz)

651 We've all had a pretty shitty week, but my sympathies go out to Holly Petraeus, who I believe has had the worst one of us all. And Mrs. Broadwell's father can go fuck himself. What nerve!

Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 05:54 PM (kpCLl)

652 You know if all the TAX payers suddenly stopped paying in protest...

(Look to Occupy movement for guidance-which is the new normal sadly)

Let us see how it works out????

Oblamo Raises taxes on the people that pay the most and they say F*** You not gonna pay anymore???

I'm OK with that

Posted by: Chicken ala King at November 12, 2012 05:54 PM (VvvBE)

653 America has reached the peak of its development. Europe here we come

Posted by: HarryNYC at November 12, 2012 05:54 PM (aDfH7)

654 You want to take away their votes?
You need their votes...to cancel out all those dumbass liberal men out there who vote for free shit.


Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:05 PM (ICEh3)

I think the 19th, the 24th, and the 26th should be replaced by a simple amendment. If you PAY Federal Taxes, you can vote in Federal elections.

But it's too late now.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (R9579)

655 Yikes, MicroSoft has lost more than 20% in the last week. That Windows8 ain't helping.

They're also expecting a drop in fourth quarter earnings after losing the Romneybot 4.0 firmware contract.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (SY2Kh)

656 #355 - talking to one of the SILs over the weekend. Had told me earlier that shewas leaning toward R over the economy (she normally leans left so I thought this was a good sign). Told me over the weekend she voted for O. Why? Sandy - O was awesome in dealing with Sandy.And she is in a state nowhere near where Sandy hit

Posted by: NObama12 at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (GkYyh)

657 This is all a rather inevitable consequence of transforming people into nihilistic, myopic animals incapable of thinking the long-term effects of their decisions and behavior through.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (uvzjj)

658 So then the third book in the trilogy must be JUST THE TIP: WHY WE LOST AFGHANISTAN

I larfed.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (QupBk)

659 I might dump my cable, but I'm gonna wait to see if the Bobcats decide to be good this year. Nothing else on TV right now.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 12, 2012 05:56 PM (a0nis)

660 "Tyler didn't write the essay. You know how you can tell, aside from the disclaimer up top?"

Tyler isn't just Daniel. Everyone at 0H blogs under that name.

Posted by: Jimi Ray iPhone at November 12, 2012 05:56 PM (79EF9)

661 @ 626

"It holds for the second term. Denying him a second term would be
tantamount to admitting he was a failure, which is tantamount to
admitting they were wrong"

That may be true for the media and fringes. But the white guilt part, historic nature, and other factors driving votes to him in 2008 should have been removed as factors for the vast majority. I don't think it holds very well, given his record.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 05:56 PM (MmH0Z)

662 So, good job Leftists.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 05:57 PM (uvzjj)

663 So can we do another affirmation thread ace? Recipes? Fashion? Jay Cutlers Mustache Thread?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 12, 2012 05:57 PM (jucos)

664 Wheatie, well yeah, the powers that be need to get Rubio pinned down on his thoughts and how we go forward.
But frankly, I've never trusted even the powers that be on this issue.

But they have to know it needs to be common sense and reach consensus. We'll never please anyone, but we need a plan.
FIRST ENFORCEMENT, then a plan for status for certain people.
FIRST SPENDING CUTS, then revenue.
We need to frontload this shit and put out both our plans AND TELL THE DEMS TO BRING IT THE FUCK ON.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:57 PM (tVTLU)

665 Taxpayers...you don't pay Taxes, you don't vote.

Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (i3OIF)


This. Repeal the 24th amendment. (And the 26th except for those who serve in the Military.)


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 05:57 PM (R9579)

666 Well, now the Dems have a winning strategery, get ready for Harold Ford Jr. in 2016.

Some idiot on Hannity said he didn't see enough colored faces at the RNC convention. I have a serious question. What do they want for us to do to increase the number? We promote them to highest ranks of power (Rice, Powell (spit), Clarance Thomas, etc.) but they are called sell-outs. So what do they want us to do to 'include' them?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 12, 2012 05:57 PM (UU0OF)

667 The economy is so stagnant people don't care about deficits or fiscal cliffs anymore, they just want to know they will be okay, that is pretty much where we are. Future generations be damned, that's pretty much what the voters have said.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 12, 2012 05:57 PM (NzBQO)

668 If there was no fruad, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The "moochers" did not win, they stole. Romney was a great candidate who won in a landslide.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 12, 2012 05:57 PM (KL49F)

669 658 So then the third book in the trilogy must be JUST THE TIP: WHY WE LOST AFGHANISTAN

--------

I larfed.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (QupBk)




Violating Rule #1' but Toby, wtf is larfed??

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 05:58 PM (GEICT)

670 Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 05:50 PM (cMdem)

And Michter's Rye.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 05:58 PM (GsoHv)

671 This is all a rather inevitable consequence of
transforming people into nihilistic, myopic animals incapable of
thinking the long-term effects of their decisions and behavior through.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (uvzjj)

This. An example of a country which was TOO successful, ironically.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 05:58 PM (MmH0Z)

672
We have done something unprecedented in American history,though not in other places. We have elected to sell ourdecendants into economic slavery to save ourselves from current pain.

I'm 63, and what I have left is to hopeto die before it all collapses. Since that may well take another 40-50 years I'm probably fine. It won't be easy to watch though.

It's amazing how long countries with rich natural resourcescan go on this way. All that oil and gas Obama is leaving in the ground is money in the bank. When things get bad enough, the leadership will allow it all to be produced to keep things floating a little longer.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 05:58 PM (1Y+hH)

673

hahaha, nice, Sean


rofls

Posted by: soothie at November 12, 2012 05:58 PM (VgTUv)

674 651 We've all had a pretty shitty week, but my sympathies go out to Holly Petraeus, who I believe has had the worst one of us all. And Mrs. Broadwell's father can go fuck himself. What nerve!Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 05:54 PM (kpCLl)

Dear Mr. Kranz,

Your daughter is, unfortunately, a shameless self-promoting whore and misguided jock sniffer.

Love,
Reality

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 05:58 PM (cMdem)

675 Fluffy,
A streetfighter for the conservative, individualist cause.
Who are you?

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:58 PM (tVTLU)

676 wtf is larfed

It's a laugh with a fart attached.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:59 PM (QupBk)

677 628, not to mention Santorum and Gingrich. If you thought that the Dems unfairly hung the rape comments around Romney's neck, what would they have done to Santorum?
Gingrich, I believe, would have fought harder and much dirtier. Buit he has tons of his own baggage, as well as some loopy ideas.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 12, 2012 05:59 PM (YmPwQ)

678 589
My 20-something niece says"
"Here's what I would say to the Republican party:

Your ideas about smaller government and smart budget cuts aren't half bad, and it'd be nice to have other options to consider besides one party. However, your insistence on denying equal rights to 10% of the country (gays) and your continual ignorance of science (attempts to ban stem-cell research, claims that global warming isn't happening) make it hard for voters like me to relate to you. Not to mention the occasional misogynistic comment about rape. The old white guys are dying, and the new generation is ultra-informed (thanks to social media) and increasingly progressive. It's high-time you regrouped. And when you do, I'm happy to engage."
I say, as long as the Democratic party is successful in painting Republicans as ignorant and mean they're gonna win. The magic formula is to put Republican ideology in words and a format that shows directly how nice and smart it is, and hammer it like a nail.
Sorry for being serious.
Posted by: me at November 12, 2012 05:41 PM (dXvIf)

10% of the public isn't gay, nor is gay marriage a 'right'.
Stem cell research wasn't banned. Embyronic stemcell research was disallowed from being funded by federal money, but private money funding it was always ok. You know where the advances are? Adult stemcells. ESCs are a dead end. Seems there is a reason the ESC people wanted federal money, and didn't want to put their own money into it.

Global Warming is fake - there hasn't been any warming for 10 years. We have proof that it is nothing but another money grab.

Look, you have to actually DEBUNK some of this stuff. We aren't going to accept that 2+2 = 5 because some of this generation has been too indoctrinated, or are, frankly, too stupid.

Worse, your niece doesn't even show any critical thinking - if you are worried about government being involved where it shouldn't be, then you WANT small government, rather than wanting a large federal government, who someday, might have people in charge you don't like.

That way, you don't have to worry about who is elected every 4 years or if he will take away your free shit.

Really, your niece just wants her free shit. That's all.

Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 05:59 PM (x7g7t)

679 Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (tVTLU)
fuck off. you are the one who said Bush was not a veteran. I simply corrected your error. Its dumbshits like you who confirm why we lose elections.

Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 06:00 PM (m2CN7)

680 "My 20-something niece says..."
==========

I accept that we need to reach more people like your 20-something niece, but the vast majority of what she has to say to us is utter imbecility.

And that's a big problem, too.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 06:00 PM (znT2j)

681

Oh, and you people that think electing Republicans will help are mistaken.

It's much too late for that.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 06:00 PM (1Y+hH)

682 As long as young people have no clue about what "progressive" really means, it's hard to take them very seriously about being all edumacated and informed and stuff.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 06:00 PM (aBlZ1)

683 We've all had a pretty shitty week, but my sympathies go out to Holly
Petraeus, who I believe has had the worst one of us all. And Mrs.
Broadwell's father can go fuck himself. What nerve!


It's his daughter. What's he going to say? "Yeah, when my little girl sees an officer's uniform, her cooch is going to get pounded harder than the Ft. Sill artillery range"?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 06:00 PM (SY2Kh)

684
Look to the 16th and 17th for that.


Posted by: AllenG at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (8y9MW)

The 14th turned out to be pretty fucked up. More bad shit has been done based on the screwy wording of the 14th than any other amendment.

Abortion? The 14th. Banning Prayers at public events? The 14th. Wickard v Fillborn? The 14th. Fucked up Natural born citizen and created Anchor babies? The 14th.
The 14th is responsible for more judicial abuse than is any other amendment.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:01 PM (R9579)

685 The least worst outcome is that we all end up living as if we're in cities. Highly regulated (except for, you know, those who aren't). I HATE city living!

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (FcR7P)

686
"The country needs a divorce."

Or at least the credible threat of a divorce in order to focus their minds.

This trajactory is not sustainable and I have zero interest in seeing us kill each other. If we can't get back to a reasonable facsimile of Federalism and a limited FedGov where Texas can be Texas and Kali can be Kali, we are doomed to a future of poverty and bloodletting.

If it is to be done, please God let it be done peaceably this time. There's no need for a Ft. Sumpter, Antietam, or Gettysburg for anyone but the bastards in charge. We can go our own ways and prosper. Fuck them.

Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (4I3Uo)

687 Who are you?


I'm the guy that doesn't like having someone demand that I get with the fucking program. Something to do with 'individualism', tough guy.


Are you really picking out candidates for 2016?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (z9HTb)

688 Well, now the Dems have a winning strategery, get ready for Harold Ford Jr. in 2016.




He WAS supposed to be Obama before Obama, I don't know what happened to him. They were touting all the way back in 2006? 2004? I forget but then suddenly he disappeared.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (NzBQO)

689 What's he going to say? "Yeah, when my little girl sees an officer's uniform, her cooch is going to get pounded harder than the Ft. Sill artillery range"?

There's a Multiple Launch Rocket System joke in there somewhere, but I'll pass.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (cMdem)

690 "668 If there was no fruad, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The "moochers" did not win, they stole. Romney was a great candidate who won in a landslide.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 12, 2012 05:57 PM (KL49F) "

Yes, they stole. But they stole during every other election too. Sure, maybe this time they stole a little bit more. But it shouldn't have mattered.


Anyways, here we are. And our (former) candidate seems to be ok with it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (uvzjj)

691 The "new" generation is NOT well informed. At all. About anything of substance. That can't be stated enough.

Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (MsQkt)

692 683 We've all had a pretty shitty week, but my sympathies go out to Holly
Petraeus, who I believe has had the worst one of us all. And Mrs.
Broadwell's father can go fuck himself. What nerve!

It's his daughter. What's he going to say? "Yeah, when my little girl sees an officer's uniform, her cooch is going to get pounded harder than the Ft. Sill artillery range"?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 06:00 PM (SY2Kh)

_____________

Hey! Leave Oklahoma out of it.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (r2PLg)

693 So then the third book in the trilogy must be JUST THE TIP: WHY WE LOST AFGHANISTAN


Book Four is a retrospective biopic on what brought Petraeus to this point in his career :


The General Inside Me: How Petraeus Climbed On Top and Took Command

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 06:03 PM (EZl54)

694 It's too bad people can't talk openly and honestly about race.

There are racial differences, however unpleasant that is or how unpopular.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 06:03 PM (SKX2R)

695 I forget but then suddenly he disappeared.

He's married to a blonde, white model.

Posted by: madamex at November 12, 2012 06:04 PM (+kvQd)

696 But to go to the 20 something idiot niece, we need to take it even to their level:

WITH REGARD TO GLOBAL WARMING:
Say look, even if you believe that bs, what are they proposing -- the lefties are doing NOTHING TO CHINA AND INDIA AND they can't possibly fix the problem (to the extent it exists) without doing so. The carbon tax and carbon exchanges and Kyoto protocol
ARE MIRAGES AND THE LEFTIES ARE HYPOCRITES.
Even if you buy their junk science, they are doing nothing to fix the problem!!!!!!
Same thing on taxes. If the government wants more $$, then lower tax rates. Worked for JFK, worked for Reagan, and it worked under GW.
This is nothing but politics and class warfare and DOES NOTHING TO ADDRESS THE DEFICIT OR SPENDING.....
TURN THE ARGUMENT ON THESE LEFTIES.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:04 PM (tVTLU)

697 I got one 20-year-old to vote Republican this year. I told him that Obama had a guy thrown in jail for making a video that caused some riots in Egypt. He knew nothing about that. I told him if Obama can throw a guy in jail for making a video he doesn't like, he can throw YOU in jail for writing a song or reading a website he doesn't like. He couldn't believe this could happen in America.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 06:04 PM (aBlZ1)

698 @686

Amen.

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 06:04 PM (EZl54)

699 "691 The "new" generation is NOT well informed. At all. About anything of substance. That can't be stated enough.

Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (MsQkt) "

But how can that be? Twitter! YouTube! Facebook! CNN! The NYT! The Education System!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:04 PM (uvzjj)

700 All that oil and gas Obama is leaving in the ground is money in the bank. When things get bad enough, the leadership will allow it all to be produced

Coincidentally, a lot of Senators will get very, very rich from the companies they form that somehow get this approval.

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:05 PM (FcR7P)

701
Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (4I3Uo)

It's too late Jaws.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 06:05 PM (1Y+hH)

702 Shitty week?


Don't talk to me. We lose the election, my wife's uncle dies, one of my best hunting buddies dies and an old drinking friend dies.

Three funerals in a week sucks. Four if you count the election.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (wR+pz)

703 PAULA BROADWELL IS KINDA HOT

Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (40anC)

704 All that oil and gas Obama is leaving in the ground is money in the bank. When things get bad enough, the leadership will allow it all to be produced

Coincidentally, a lot of Senators will get very, very rich from the companies they form that somehow get this approval.
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:05 PM (FcR7P)
----------------------------------------------------------
I'm feeling a bit parched

Posted by: Tree of Liberty at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (jucos)

705 Patereus is said to be deeply embarrassed by his moment of poor judgement. Ha, as if this was the first one. My own observation of cheaters through the course of my life has found that once a cheater always a cheater. He's been doing it his whole life and will continue to do it his whole life.

I fully expect more to come out of the woodwork.

Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (2t6Gz)

706 676 wtf is larfed

It's a laugh with a fart attached.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:59 PM (QupBk)




I knew there was a reason for Rule #1

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (GEICT)

707 But how can that be? Twitter! YouTube! Facebook! CNN! The NYT! The Education System!

I spent 3 years teaching college freshmen. The experience was, ummmm, eye opening.

Every semester was an exercise in teaching them how to get over themselves.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (cMdem)

708 I said early on that the thing to worry about was not the billion dollar fund raising and advertising, but the hundreds of billions in slush fund that existed from TARP and ARRA and all the rest. That money was buying all kinds of votes, and there was no restraint upon it. The executive could spend as they damn well please. Solyndra was our money well spent by the Obama CAMPAIGN.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (/1U3u)

709 Then you are not pro-life. You are
pro-responsibility. Nothing wrong with that. But I think Mourdouch's
point, although ill-conceived, is that rape babies are babies too.I
don't happen to agree with him, I think women should have a choice,
butat least he is consistent with his stance on abortion. The GOP is
not. I wish the GOP would stay out of the abortion issue. They believe
that they are pro-choice, but are actually pro-abortion on every issue
except when it comes to letting some crack whore have an abortion.

Posted by: Whatever Again at November 12, 2012 05:11 PM (zYCz+)

I believe that people have a right to exist when their existence doesn't pose a threat to someone with a greater claim. According to your theory, it would be consistent to demand the woman continue a pregnancy that might kill her.
No, the Woman has the greater claim on life. If it comes to be a contest between her and her child, she has the right to decide which of their lives is should be forfeit.

I believe this is the position favored by Jewish law as well.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (R9579)

710 In her pictures Paula Broadwell is semi good-looking but also kinda odd as well. If you told me she was a tranny, I could believe it.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (pAlYe)

711 If you want to have some fun, go read the comments to the linked article from msnbc about Repubs getting "crushed" on issues. It's a small group of people talking to themselves (like us,) but it sounds just like all my pro-Obama friends and relations. Something changed in this election. Somehow far-left ideas got mainstreamed.

Posted by: Cricket at November 12, 2012 06:08 PM (2ArJQ)

712 Obama got 99% of the vote in 100 precincts in Cuyahoga County.

So long as the GOP accepts fraud, we will lose. So tired of the leaders of this party rolling over.

http://tinyurl.com/aumoknc

Posted by: TD, one of the makers not one of the takers at November 12, 2012 06:08 PM (DQMcq)

713 We don't need a divorce. We need to make the Republicans stop enabling the free shit for everyone. Make them fight each other for a change over the money. The next four years should be all about that. Freeze federal spending at a minimum, try to cut it if possible.

Then we need to start in the Red states and change the electoral counts to do it by Congressional district. We CAN separate out the 100% Democrat areas, politically.

Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 06:08 PM (aBlZ1)

714 Mother of...

Her mother is on this meet up board and she posts a pic of herself with her daughter...

wtf

http://www.meetup.com/drinkwine/members/33777682/

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 06:08 PM (r2PLg)

715 "I got one 20-year-old to vote Republican this year. I told him that
Obama had a guy thrown in jail for making a video that caused some riots
in Egypt. He knew nothing about that. I told him if Obama can throw a
guy in jail for making a video he doesn't like, he can throw YOU in jail
for writing a song or reading a website he doesn't like. He couldn't
believe this could happen in America."

==========

There was a video circulating before the election, in which someone described such abuses to voters in Manhattan, only he described them as policies of Mitt Romney.

The voters were appalled, right up until the moment when the guy admitted it was really Obama, at which point all but one person turned on a dime and changed their mind about the abuses being deplorable.

Once they knew it was Obama, they were fine with it.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (znT2j)

716 Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (MsQkt)

You've met our kids?

Posted by: 47% at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (GsoHv)

717 589 "new generation is ultra-informed (thanks to social media)"

LOL

Last night I was watching 60 minutes (I know only old people watch it). David McCullough was interviewed. He told a story about receiving a note from a undergrad, from a Midwestern college, that had attended one of his lectures. She informed him that during his lecture she had became aware the 13 original colonies were on the east coast of the United States.

Oh yeah they are "ultra-informed" ... ultra-informed about the Kardashians.

Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (hl8SI)

718 Brilliant, Ace. You nailed it.

Posted by: CJL at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (3wa9V)

719 #702 - Billy Bob, how very sad! Condolences for your losses.

Posted by: Dianna at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (mKMj1)

720 >> 'Calling the president "Boy" now, huh?'

Didn't mean it that way, Ms. Dowd!

I think for 2016 the Republican Party needs to find a candidate with proven experience turning around failing enterprises. Maybe the VP choice could be someone with a detailed, well-considered plan. Should be unbeatable.

Posted by: The Chap with the App at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (fscec)

721 688
Well, now the Dems have a winning strategery, get ready for Harold Ford Jr. in 2016.





He WAS supposed to be Obama before Obama, I don't
know what happened to him. They were touting all the way back in 2006?
2004? I forget but then suddenly he disappeared.


There was an article linked here a few weeks ago...blacks apparently despise him because he married a white woman.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (i0App)

722 707 The Trophy Generation. You get rewarded for showing up. No effort expended.

Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (MsQkt)

723 "707 But how can that be? Twitter! YouTube! Facebook! CNN! The NYT! The Education System!

I spent 3 years teaching college freshmen. The experience was, ummmm, eye opening.

Every semester was an exercise in teaching them how to get over themselves.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (cMdem) "

Leftists have gone out of their way to make sure every imbecile is full of ... self-esteem. (And every intelligent person full of self-loathing.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:10 PM (uvzjj)

724 Peter Rock,

I'm going to type this very slowly. Why are you arguing with me? I agree that GWB was a veteran and have no problem with his service.

My point is that we have to understand the left to defeat them. That is why Tom Cotton is the right pick. He served FRONT LINE duty in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And did so voluntarily. There is no privilege with him and comes from a long line of veterans.

The lefties went after GWB and the chickenhawk line when they had their traitor/veteran John Kerry. (they had to shut up about this the last 4 years because their current clowns have been nowhere near the military). They said he got into the national guard because of his PRIVILEGE rather than actually go fight.

This is what we must understand. Yes, technically you are correct that GWB is a veteran. But the way GWB is a veteran is much different than the way Tom Cotton is a veteran.

And Cotton's service is immune from the usual left/commie fucking attack that these pukes always launch.
WE MUST UNDERSTAND this rather than act as if each person's military service is/was equal.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:10 PM (tVTLU)

725 It's his daughter. What's he going to say? "Yeah,
when my little girl sees an officer's uniform, her cooch is going to get
pounded harder than the Ft. Sill artillery range"?


Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 06:00 PM (SY2Kh)


Keeping his fucking yap shut was an option

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 12, 2012 06:10 PM (e8MCr)

726 >Have you demanded that Anna Wintour, George Soros, George Clooney, Katy Perry, Jay-Z, Russell Simmons, and Eva Longoria pay their fair share yet?


Nope.

Posted by: Palooka at November 12, 2012 06:11 PM (oN+9z)

727 @713:"I believe this is the position favored by Jewish law as well."
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Theocracy!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 12, 2012 06:11 PM (Y5I9o)

728 What the hell maybe it's not that weird.
I thought "meet up" was for dating--maybe not.

Pfffftttt.

Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 06:11 PM (r2PLg)

729 He told a story about receiving a note from a undergrad, from a
Midwestern college, that had attended one of his lectures. She informed
him that during his lecture she had became aware the 13 original
colonies were on the east coast of the United States.



It's too bad Joe Raposo is dead. I would like to commission him to write the "Get Off My Lawn Song"

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 06:12 PM (z9HTb)

730 710
In her pictures Paula Broadwell is semi good-looking but also kinda odd
as well. If you told me she was a tranny, I could believe it.


Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (pAlYe



Yep. Also, teh crazy eyes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 06:12 PM (UOM48)

731 There was an article linked here a few weeks ago...blacks apparently despise him because he married a white woman.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 06:09 PM (i0App)

So you can be half white, but better not marry one? OK I get it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:12 PM (79ueO)

732 Honestly, any solution that requires anything from the GOP is pure fantasy.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 12, 2012 06:13 PM (J4gw3)

733 I asked my husband a few minutes ago, "Quick. Name five beautiful lefty women, excluding Hollywood idiots."

He literally drew a blank.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 06:13 PM (UOM48)

734 The type of person you are is not because of who you say you are, it is due to your deeds. Deeds dictate what type of person you are, in every way.

Posted by: navybrat at November 12, 2012 06:13 PM (r1ty1)

735 703 PAULA BROADWELL IS KINDA HOT
Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (40anC)

Yeah, If my wife turned into Aunt Bea and I was feeling lonely. I would have hit that, hard, over and over again.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 06:14 PM (3Y7RV)

736 "Yep. Also, teh crazy eyes."
===========

Nothing wrong with a couple of crazy eyes.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 06:15 PM (znT2j)

737 My 20-something niece says""Here's what I would say to the Republican party:Your ideas about smaller government and smart budget cuts aren't half bad, and it'd be nice to have other options to consider besides one party. However, your insistence on denying equal rights to 10% of the country (gays) and your continual ignorance of science (attempts to ban stem-cell research, claims that global warming isn't happening) make it hard for voters like me to relate to you. Not to mention the occasional misogynistic comment about rape. The old white guys are dying, and the new generation is ultra-informed (thanks to social media) and increasingly progressive. It's high-time you regrouped. And when you do, I'm happy to engage."I say, as long as the Democratic party is successful in painting Republicans as ignorant and mean they're gonna win. The magic formula is to put Republican ideology in words and a format that shows directly how nice and smart it is, and hammer it like a nail.Sorry for being serious.

My response to your niece:

1) Gays aren't 10% of the population. At best, those born gay represent 2% or less of the population. For the rest it is a lifestyle choice. Conservatives aren't trying to deny gays their civil rights, we simply don't want to change the definition of marriage, something that has existed for thousands of years, at the whim of a small minority of people who, 20 years ago, were quite happy to sneer at us "breeders" and denounce monogamy. Many of them still do. Additionally, like it or not homosexuality is going to run into conflict with religious teachings, and the rights of religious groups to practice their faith. Should a Catholic business be forced to provide services to a gay couple getting married, if such marriages are in violation of that businessman's concience?
2)Conservatives aren't anti-science. We are happy to support adult stem cell research and continue to champion it as a proven source of new cures. Our objection is to the obsession with embryionic stem cell research, which continues to siphon off money despite failing to produce any significant breakthroughs and requires the destruction of human embryoes. The question of whether or not human embryos constitute life, and if that life deserves protection, is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. As for global warming, the scientific consensus is bunk; a media driven fiction supported by false data and grand projections. The Earth's climate has undergone vast changes in the distant past that were far greater than anything that we have seen today. So why should we assume that the current cycle is somehow manmade as opposed to a natural fluctuation?
Your generation is not smarter or more informed. In fact, if anything it is the opposite. Social media has encourage viruliant groupthink and reduced the ability of people to think critically about issues. You can read and write 140 character political slogans, but you can't produce a 2-3 page logical essay to defend your position. I know because I've seen the results of your increasing technological dependence in the soldiers that pass through my class.

Posted by: Alex at November 12, 2012 06:15 PM (3x3F6)

738 PAULA BROADWELL IS KINDA HOT
Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (40anC)


I bet she looks good in camies

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:15 PM (79ueO)

739 710 Said tranny from the beginning. It's the gross Madonna arms and the severe hair.

Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 06:15 PM (MsQkt)

740 "733 I asked my husband a few minutes ago, "Quick. Name five beautiful lefty women, excluding Hollywood idiots."

He literally drew a blank.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 06:13 PM (UOM4 "

Helen Thomas. Rachel Maddow. Andrea Mitchell. Michelle Obama. Obama.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:15 PM (uvzjj)

741 Yeah, it's been a disillusioning two weeks.
Leeches win, 52 to 48.
Elmo is a NAMBLA chickenhawk.
Steve Schmitt (remember him? And his buddy Nicole? is the Media's designated expert on the GOP loss.

Posted by: Don't Follow Me on Twitter at November 12, 2012 06:15 PM (S3rrR)

742 Keeping his fucking yap shut was an option

This

Or, maybe if he just had an overwhelming desire to say something, then a one sentence statement saying that he was, "disappointed" would have been enough.

As it is now, it's sounds like he's saying, "Hey, I'm cool with my married daughter getting plowed by a married guy 20 years older, because there was some big shit goin' down."

So yeah, Paula Broadwell's father is about as shameless as she is.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 06:15 PM (cMdem)

743 As far as "having a country that's my ideal" that would take something like a secession.

But to have a country that's roughly pointed in the right direction in terms of public policy, I think we could achieve that with a GOP that was able to be largely agnostic on the social issues.

BTW, I think any talk from any Republican about secession is suicide (Perry was retarded to hint at that) but count me in as a vote for a peaceful secession.

I could see it happen only if our currency truly collapsed rapidly, something that's not exactly far fetched if we don't change direction quickly. I honestly think it would be peaceful, neither side likes dealing with the other. I don't see New England liberals pouring into Texas with rifles to stop it.

Posted by: McAdams at November 12, 2012 06:16 PM (aVSeo)

744 Yes, technically you are correct that GWB is a veteran. But the way GWB is a veteran is much different than the way Tom Cotton is a veteran.
And Cotton's service is immune from the usual left/commie fucking attack that these pukes always launch.
WE MUST UNDERSTAND this rather than act as if each person's military service is/was equal.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:10 PM (tVTLU)


I see what you're saying but you have to realize that the one thing the left excels in beyond all others is in demonizing the right. So it almost doesn't matter what Cotton's background is - they will still find a way to make him out to be a racist woman-hating anti-Christ even if they have to make up shit to do it.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:16 PM (pAlYe)

745
Today's conservatives are those guys all over again.

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:30 PM (t1NLo)
Most of the Jewish births in New York are Orthodox. They are conservative. You guys will win in the short run, but my side will win in the long run.Demographics are on our side. Sorry you aborted and sodomize-infected yours.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:16 PM (R9579)

746 "Quick. Name five beautiful lefty women, excluding Hollywood idiots."
==========

Do MFM babes count? Because I can certainly do that.

But, yeah, normal lefty women? Forget about it.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 06:16 PM (znT2j)

747 730 710
In her pictures Paula Broadwell is semi good-looking but also kinda odd
as well. If you told me she was a tranny, I could believe it.


Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (pAlYe


Yep. Also, teh crazy eyes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 06:12 PM (UOM4



For many, that makes her even sexier

Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 06:16 PM (40anC)

748 I think it's Dave Ramsey who says that when you have a major upheaval in your life, for good or bad—inheritance through close relative dying, winning the lottery, etc—you need to step back and not do anything drastic for six months, just set the money aside and not do anything rash. Not a bad thing to apply to our current scenario. Everyone needs to chill, take a few months to breathe before we determine the fate of where conservatism in this country is going.

In the meantime, we need to watch Obama like a freaking hawk, he is going to try to get away with a lot of crap. We have to be united in stopping him from enacting the crazy just because he thinks he can. We can't have him give China the keys to Fort Knox, for example, while we all are off on the sidelines squabbling about illegal immigration.

Posted by: LizLem at November 12, 2012 06:16 PM (8wqqE)

749 710

In her pictures Paula Broadwell is semi good-looking but also kinda odd

as well. If you told me she was a tranny, I could believe it.

I terribly story if this offends any Morons or Moronettes out there

A lot female runners get that tranny look as they age.

Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:18 PM (hl8SI)

750 Olaf, when was the last time you looked at a balance statement?


Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 12, 2012 05:33 PM (3bo9E)

EBT cards don't have balance statements. You have to call a phone number...

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:19 PM (R9579)

751 Well, Paula puts Mooch's arms to shame....

....and her stomach, and her ass, and her thighs, and her face.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 06:19 PM (UOM48)

752 @732


but but don't you see we just need a candidate who is Reaganesque!

Reaganish?
Reaganlike?

SortaReagan?

nevermind..

Posted by: T. Hunter - frantically aligning Titanic's deck chairs at November 12, 2012 06:19 PM (EZl54)

753
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (wR+pz)
___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ _____ ____ ____ __

I'm very sorry to hear of your losses, Billy Bob. My condolences.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 06:19 PM (1Y+hH)

754 "Democrat Kyrsten Sinema was declared the winner today, becoming the first openly bisexual member of Congress."

Now they are getting all the 'chicks who lick' vote!

Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at November 12, 2012 06:19 PM (vHGPw)

755 #649 T-bird- I dumped my cable as well. Made sure to mention to the kids that it was Obama's fault. Don't forget to connect pain in your kids minds to people like Obama or they will be in college someday voting for their own free stuff while living off the free stuff you give them. Also, if you have college kids and they voted for Obama what have you done to make them feel the pain??

Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (pdhxN)

756 Yep. Also, teh crazy eyes.

Hell hath no fury like a chick with teh crazy eyes.

Posted by: Lisa Nowak at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (96M6e)

757 For many, that makes her even sexier Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 06:16 PM (40anC)

It's always a wild ride. Damn, it's awesome

The trick is knowing when to get off.

A skill I unfortunately did not master in time. Twice.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (cMdem)

758 It's his daughter. What's he going to say? "Yeah, when my little girl sees an officer's uniform, her cooch is going to get pounded harder than the Ft. Sill artillery range"?

I have to confess that my first though upon hearing that she was an officer was, "She must be MI, they always had the biggest sluts."

Posted by: Alex at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (3x3F6)

759 Hewitt running pre-election book interviews.

Time for him to join morrissey, Rove, Kristol, Barnes, etc., and really, Allahpundit, too, in the dustbin of history.

Posted by: . at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (hyP1j)

760 745
Today's conservatives are those guys all over again.

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:30 PM (t1NLo)
Most of the Jewish births in New York are Orthodox. They are conservative. You guys will win in the short run, but my side will win in the long run.Demographics are on our side. Sorry you aborted and sodomize-infected yours.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:16 PM (R9579)


what you say is true , but i dont think Olaf was referring to the tribe was he?

Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (40anC)

761 A lot female runners get that tranny look as they age.


Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:18 PM (hl8SI)


Loss of subcutaneous fat. That's what gives older women who are exercise addicts that harsh look. An honest plastic surgeon will tell those women they don't need botox, they need to gain 10 pounds.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (Gk3SS)

762 And Cotton's service is immune from the usual left/commie fucking attack that these pukes always launch.

"Is he stable? PTSD, you know."
"Baby killer!"
"Volunteered for service? Is he some kind of Rambo?"

C'mon, give us something hard.

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (FcR7P)

763 Maetenloch,

Very true. But a lot falls by the wayside when one party can say, I fought for my country and I fought for you and freedom.
Of course the smear machine will come out. But actions speak louder than words, and when pictures of Tom Cotton in Iraq and Afghanistan, with guns out ready to go on patrol, surface, most of the attacks fall on deaf ears.

I mean seriously, the left's most vicious attacks are:
1) rich guys
2) white guys, but not so much (especially if Rubio is head of the ticket)
3) crazy values (we ran a fucking Mormon this time) I'll takea Catholic and a downhome protestant any day of the week.
4) chickenhawk - tough to make that argument when you've volunteered for two frontline tours.

AND THIS ALLOWS US TO TURN THE FUCKING TABLES ON THE LEFTIES.
I AM POOR AND THE LIBERALS SUCK BECAUSE.............
I FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, AND THE LIBERALS SUCK BECAUSE................
MY PARENTS WERE IMMIGRANTS AND LIBERALS SUCK BECAUSE...........
You guys get the drift. Take away their main arguments and leave the liberals screaming in the wilderness about lady parts.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (tVTLU)

764
710In her pictures Paula Broadwell is semi good-looking but also kinda odd as well. If you told me she was a tranny, I could believe it.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (pAlYe)

--------------

She looks a lot like Petraeus.
I mean, look at their features...she looks like a femalian version of him.

Some guys are attracted to women who resemble them.
Maybe Petraeus is like that.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (ICEh3)

765 Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (cMdem)

Never, ever commit to the crazy ones. In fact, a long weekend should be the legal limit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 06:22 PM (GsoHv)

766 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (tVTLU)

If you took it down a notch and stopped yelling ( So many caps) people might take what you say better. Just a suggestion

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:22 PM (79ueO)

767 Coincidentally, a lot of Senators will get very, very rich from the companies they form that somehow get this approval.Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:05 PM (FcR7P)___ _____ ____ _____ ____ Since the approvals will take place before the Great Reformation or Revolution, you are correct.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 06:23 PM (1Y+hH)

768 Next election, the GOP should make it clear that unless you fall into one of the following three categories, you are not welcome at the debates:

1. Served at least one full term as governor.
2. Served at least one full Senate term.
3. Served in wartime with a rank of at least Lieutenant General.

If you don't meet one of those three criteria, you are not going to be elected President. Pay for your own fucking book tour and let the plausible candidates talk.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 06:23 PM (SY2Kh)

769 >>>>Never, ever commit to the crazy ones.

Never.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 12, 2012 06:23 PM (J4gw3)

770 agnostic on the social issues.


Right. Because after we cave on the social issues then the Marxists would definitely agree with us on the financial issues.

Posted by: T. Hunter - frantically aligning Titanic's deck chairs at November 12, 2012 06:23 PM (EZl54)

771 Democrat Kyrsten Sinema was declared the winner today

So, as I'm re-organizing my hierarchy of liberal importance, does bisexual now trump race? I thought I was going to hear cries of "racisms!!!111!" but then I remembered that Vernon Parker is black.

Posted by: jakeman at November 12, 2012 06:23 PM (96M6e)

772 I think Broadwell should be played by Angelina Jolie in the movie.
Both could pass as hot tranny's. I think its the muscular arms

Posted by: Michelle Obama at November 12, 2012 06:23 PM (40anC)

773 "Democrat Kyrsten Sinema was declared the winner today, becoming the first openly bisexual member of Congress."
==========

I'm sorry, but this smacks of posing. Gay Congresswoman, fine. But bi? What does that mean? She alternates who she takes to the cocktail parties? Who gives a rat's butt?

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 06:24 PM (znT2j)

774 History repeats for conservatives. Child labor. Workplace safety laws. Women's suffrage. Desegregation.



You guys always lose in the end.

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (t1NLo)

Well, you guys lost Slavery and the Holocaust, but you are trying to make up for it with all the baby murder and sodomy that you've engendered ever since.
Reagan fired Patco.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:24 PM (R9579)

775 If you took it down a notch and stopped yelling ( So many caps) people might take what you say better. Just a suggestion
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:22 PM (79ueO)

He reminds me alot ofJaramiah wright gosh darn America. He liked his caps too.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 06:24 PM (3Y7RV)

776 677
628, not to mention Santorum and Gingrich. If you thought that the Dems
unfairly hung the rape comments around Romney's neck, what would they
have done to Santorum?

Gingrich, I believe, would have fought harder and much dirtier. Buit
he has tons of his own baggage, as well as some loopy ideas.



Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 12, 2012 05:59 PM (YmPwQ

Agree on both counts. It was difficult/ tricky enough for Romney and the GOP to distance themselves from Akin (without pissing of socons, no thanks to shit stirrers like Fuckabee). And then have to explain/ rationalize/ apologize for Mourdock. Santorum + Akin + Mourdock would = TOTAL CLUSTERFUCK. The MSM would've been on the "War on Women and Gays" meme x10000000000000.Agree on Newt. He would have fought harder and dirtier; but his baggage was just too much. (The Obama campaign resorted to "Romney killed a woman with cancer." Imagine what they would've done with Newt's real baggage.)
By the way, I do think Romney fought "hard"-- i.e. I think he put in more than 100% effort to win this. But he didn't go as negative as he should have. He calculated-- with some reason-- that the MSM would turn hard-hitting negative attacks against him; whereas they'd aid/ abet/ ignore Obama's.

Finally, I'm with Aslan's Girl on this point: I'm not yet convinced that, without fraud, Romney *didn't* win this. Many historians have by now concluded that the 1960 election was stolen by JFK. That's not paranoid conspiracy theory, that's history. (Cf. Robert Caro.)

This election is over. But I hope future historians will investigate and analyze the results with due diligence. I wouldn't be surprised. If one Dem Golden Boy got away with it, the second Dem Golden Boy could do just the same.

Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 06:24 PM (tUcg9)

777 A lot female runners get that tranny look as they age.

Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:18 PM (hl8SI)


A lot of male runners (distance) have that tranny look their whole life.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:24 PM (X3lox)

778 Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (FcR7P)

Cotton is a freshman. He hasn't even been sworn in yet.

I think that Prescient11 is a 19-year-old who worked on Cotton's election campaign and has a crush on him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 06:25 PM (GsoHv)

779 Democrat Kyrsten Sinema was declared the winner today

So, as I'm re-organizing my hierarchy of liberal importance, does bisexual now trump race? I thought I was going to hear cries of "racisms!!!111!" but then I remembered that Vernon Parker is black.
Posted by: jakeman at November 12, 2012 06:23 PM (96M6e)

She is also a vicious anti- Israel groupie

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:25 PM (79ueO)

780 Also, if you have college kids and they voted for Obama what have you done to make them feel the pain??

I do not. One brother, though, will get his own comeuppance as he's been at his newest defense job for two months. The other brother is so deep in the belly of the beast that I don't even know how I'll respond to his plight.

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:25 PM (FcR7P)

781 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (tVTLU)

I don't know where your Tom Cotton obsession comes from, but 35 year old first term House member isn't going to get elected. Period.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 06:25 PM (SY2Kh)

782 Next election, the GOP should make it clear that unless you fall into one of the following three categories, you are not welcome at the debates:

how about a closed room interview with gotcha questions like abortion and rape

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:26 PM (40anC)

783 "Hi FBI? I am getting these strange emails and I was wondering if you could look into them for me."

FBI: "Click".

And yet the FBI took the case of Jill Kelley. Seems like her and hubby like hanging around TOP military officers down in Tampa.

Like Paula Broadwell's father said, much more to come in this story. I wouldn't be suprised if the bigger fish here were the Kelleys.

Posted by: Ronin at November 12, 2012 06:26 PM (AzwZn)

784 Nevergiveup,
WILL DO!!!
I am just frustrated beyond belief that we cannot look at the exit polling data and figure this out.
Anyone who says Michelle Bachmann or Santorum or Huckster is a viable candidate should be fucking shot.
Who have we seen that inspires leadership.
Jeb Bush is dead, do I need to say why.
Any video of Rubio debating?
But I'll say this, his speech at the convention was amazing. That kind of inspiration is what is sorely lacking at the party level.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:26 PM (tVTLU)

785 2. Served at least one full Senate term.

Please make that a disqualifying feature.

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:27 PM (FcR7P)

786 Meant to say "but then I remembered that Vernon Parker is a black REPUBLICAN," but hit the damn return key.

Posted by: jakeman at November 12, 2012 06:27 PM (96M6e)

787 Hollowpoint, as VP in four years.
And by then he will be a Senator from Arkansas.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:27 PM (tVTLU)

788 Three funerals in a week sucks. Four if you count the election.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (wR+pz) ----------- Damn, that's brutal. Sorry for your losses, Billy Bob.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:28 PM (ICEh3)

789 Does anyone else feel no longer sorry for our yoots getting sandbagged with trillions in debt? As far as I'm concerned these self-important brats now own the disaster to come. Hey, kids, you voted for it.

Posted by: Don't Follow Me on Twitter at November 12, 2012 06:28 PM (S3rrR)

790 Write that letter. (Stamped postal mail is far more
resonant with businesses than email is.) Tell them exactly why it is you
cancelled. Their donations to Democrats. Their flagrant "news" bias.
Their consistently leftwing slant to entertainment. Be impeccably
polite, but leave them in no doubt why they're getting $1500 less every
year.

If enough of us do that, a message WILL be received.



Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 05:52 PM (ymG7s)
Good point. I told the gal on the line why. I need to tell her boss. In writing.

Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 06:28 PM (lkjWK)

791 And yet the FBI took the case of Jill Kelley. Seems like her and hubby like hanging around TOP military officers down in Tampa.

It sounds like the Kelleys had a personal friend in the FBI who pushed this whole thing through.

Posted by: Alex at November 12, 2012 06:28 PM (3x3F6)

792 To all those who think that economic stagnation and/or collapse will lead the voters to kick the lefties out of power:

Take a look at France. Or Spain. Or, for the final convulsion, Greece.

It doesn't work out that way. The voters just demand ever more free government cheese.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 12, 2012 06:28 PM (A+/8k)

793 My nephew is one of those stereotypical college kids who just graduated, can't find a job, has six figures of loan payments on the horizon, and he voted for Obama twice.

It breaks my heart, really. He was such a sensible kid before he went to college. A devout Catholic. Now he's a lefty Catholic and an Obamabot.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 06:28 PM (znT2j)

794 "776 677
628, not to mention Santorum and Gingrich. If you thought that the Dems
unfairly hung the rape comments around Romney's neck, what would they
have done to Santorum?

Gingrich, I believe, would have fought harder and much dirtier. Buit
he has tons of his own baggage, as well as some loopy ideas.



Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 12, 2012 05:59 PM (YmPwQ
Agree on both counts. It was difficult/ tricky enough for Romney and the GOP to distance themselves from Akin (without pissing of socons, no thanks to shit stirrers like Fuckabee). And then have to explain/ rationalize/ apologize for Mourdock. Santorum + Akin + Mourdock would = TOTAL CLUSTERFUCK. The MSM would've been on the "War on Women and Gays" meme x10000000000000.Agree on Newt. He would have fought harder and dirtier; but his baggage was just too much. (The Obama campaign resorted to "Romney killed a woman with cancer." Imagine what they would've done with Newt's real baggage.)"

Santorum would have been able to a) defend himself and b) put his own position forward.


He would have fared much better.

Running away is no way to fight Leftists.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:28 PM (uvzjj)

795 "She is also a vicious anti- Israel groupie"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:25 PM (79ueO)

One step removed from a Rachel Corrie type.

The Dem. political machine in Arizona is not pleased. But....fuck 'em. They made this bed; let them sleep in it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 06:29 PM (GsoHv)

796 Who is Jill Kelley?

Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:29 PM (hl8SI)

797 Honestly, any solution that requires anything from the GOP is pure fantasy.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 12, 2012 06:13 PM (J4gw3)___ ____ ____ ____ ____Sadly, I agree. I thought I was way behind the curve when I left the party in 2007. Amazing that some still believe. They even call liberal Republicans RINOs, acting as if they are a minority to be shunned. Conservatives are the RINOs in the Republican party. Liberals/Moderates make up the majority ofRepublicans now.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 06:29 PM (1Y+hH)

798 In the meantime, we need to watch Obama like a freaking hawk, he is going to try to get away with a lot of crap.
----------------------------------------------------------
We'll make sure that he doesn't pass Obamacare again.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 12, 2012 06:29 PM (jucos)

799 Well, you guys proved yourselves in predicting the election, so maybe your opinions, ideas and predictions really do hold value.

Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 06:30 PM (t1NLo)

800 Hollowpoint, as VP in four years.

And by then he will be a Senator from Arkansas.


And he'll still be under the age of 40. No sale.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 06:30 PM (SY2Kh)

801 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:26 PM (tVTLU)

Ok.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:30 PM (uvzjj)

802 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:26 PM (tVTLU)


We are all frustrated and feeling our way after the tragedy of 06Nov12. And your boy Tom Cotton looks like a great guy and candidate but needs time to mature like a fine wine. So lets all calm down and try to get this galley going in the right direction and the right pace.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:30 PM (79ueO)

803 >>The Dem. political machine in Arizona is not pleased.

The machine may not be, but all of my libtard FB friends are thrilled. I am tempted to call them racists, but know that no good could come of that.

Posted by: jakeman at November 12, 2012 06:30 PM (96M6e)

804 Some guys are attracted to women who resemble them.
Maybe Petraeus is like that.


Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (ICEh3)

Isn't that kind of gay?

Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:31 PM (hl8SI)

805 "Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 06:30 PM (t1NLo) "

Your ideas are awesome. Just look at how well they worked out.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:31 PM (uvzjj)

806 Had basic maintenance done on my furnace today, because I'm one of those evil self-reliant people that the 47% just voted to bone mercilessly.

It cost $79. Where do I sign up to get my government check to pay for that? There will be a government check, right? I mean, I have a right to heat, and if someone else doesn't pay for it, then my access to that right is being denied.

This "being a lib" thing is going to be GREAT!

Posted by: Palandine at November 12, 2012 06:32 PM (g7D8V)

807
765 Never, ever commit to the crazy ones
uggggh, where was your words of wisdom about 13 years ago?

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 06:32 PM (/8JT8)

808 Santorum would have been able to a) defend himself and b) put his own position forward.

He would have fared much better.


Santorum? He was the ONLY one on the stage in the Ames debate to expressly disavow the 10th Amendment. The guy is a nationalist all day long, with no respect for state sovereignty.

Posted by: wooga at November 12, 2012 06:32 PM (vjyZP)

809 In the meantime, we need to watch Obama like a freaking hawk, he is going to try to get away with a lot of crap.

-------

We did watch Bammy like a hawk for 4 years. He got away with a lot of crap. We couldn't really stop anything. I don't think we'll be able to do any better the next 4. Crappola is going to rain down on us like the monsoons.

Posted by: Petraeus's wife at November 12, 2012 06:32 PM (lTVJy)

810 Some guys are attracted to women who resemble them.
Maybe Petraeus is like that.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (ICEh3)


And some guys like to name their dogs after themselves ... before they cook them up and consume their spirits.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:32 PM (X3lox)

811 Can you believe this guy won again?

Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at November 12, 2012 06:32 PM (jucos)

812 I'm sorry, but this smacks of posing. Gay Congresswoman, fine. But bi? What does that mean? She alternates who she takes to the cocktail parties? Who gives a rat's butt?
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 06:24 PM (znT2j)


LGBT.

They're working on the letter B.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 06:32 PM (wauE5)

813 Posted by: wooga at November 12, 2012 06:32 PM (vjyZP)

Yeah. It would be a shame if someone were to trample all over state sovereignty...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:33 PM (uvzjj)

814 poof, begone sock

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 12, 2012 06:33 PM (lTVJy)

815 Some guys are attracted to women who resemble them.

I'm in love with me!

Posted by: Jerry Seinfeld at November 12, 2012 06:33 PM (cMdem)

816 Olaf, seriously, you aren't clever or interesting, and your comments are lame. You look like an idiot making them.

The only response I have to reading what you write is a sort of mild embarrassment.

Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 06:33 PM (znT2j)

817 Democratic
Congressman Ron Barber has taken back the lead from Republican
challenger Martha McSally.

Bring up those ballots from Nooo-gales, Juan!

Posted by: Aztlan Election Committee at November 12, 2012 06:34 PM (rzTDZ)

818 Burn it down. That's not an impulsive decision under emotional stress, but rather a reasoned, rational position. If we fight TFG, we play into his hands and will get blamed for it. He wants a managed declined and a boogeyman. Fuck that. Give him nothing or everything, and let it burn.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 12, 2012 06:34 PM (i7B17)

819 659
I might dump my cable, but I'm gonna wait to see if the Bobcats decide to be good this year. Nothing else on TV right now.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 12, 2012 05:56 PM (a0nis)

The college BBall program I'm interested in has an internet channel for 9.95 a month. I'll subscribe through March Madness. I can see the games that way. The only reason I had cable was for college BBall. My money goes directly to what I support, and Current TV, MSNBC, CNN ESPN and the like can go fuck themselves along with their god-king.

Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 06:34 PM (lkjWK)

820 Have you seen the cover of Newsweek? My, lord, we have to do something about David Frum. What a fucking spoiled asshole!

Posted by: Redd at November 12, 2012 06:35 PM (YEG/L)

821 Hollowpoint and nevergiveup,
I'm not sure what you are talking about regarding age. Obama was elected as a not even one term community organizer senator from IL who was 46 when he was running.
Rubio will be 45 in 2016 and cotton will be 39.
What a fantastic young turnaround team for 2016.
Plenty of experience, a card that the dems have completely given up with obama.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:35 PM (tVTLU)

822 Liberals win the argument with undecideds in two ways.

The first is Attack of the Strawmen. Liberals create fantasy opponents, chain them together and torch them with flamethrowers. (Apparently, wanting lower taxes means I automatically believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. Because, you know, anti-science.) Some of the smartest people I know resort to abject intellectual dishonesty when it comes to painting *all* their opponents with the same and most extreme brush they can find.

Boo hoo, I know. Life's not fair. But this tactic scares the pants off of people in the middle. They don't want to be associated with the crazy, even if it's just guilt-by-association. Facebook is flooded with bumper-sticker level arguments with one foot in reality and the other in the most extremist whackjobbery they could find.

The second problem, the real problem, is that the left has some valid criticisms of the right that resonate deeply with the center.

For instance, the 'small government' angle is easy to attack because the right is often hypocritical about it. The right has to come to accept that the small government argument swings both ways. If you're for the War on Drugs, you're just not that far removed from either Prohibition or Bloomberg's War on Soda. Most young people thing marijuana should be as legal as alcohol, and they just shake their heads when you twist logic on it's head to explain why these things are different. Gay marriage is another great example. It's impossible for the GOP to broadly sell the small government angle to people under 40. They largely see gay marriage prohibition as 'big government intrusion' of the bad variety.

Same with national defense. Even people who are gung-ho kill-em-all-and-let-Allah-sort-em-out are tired of nation building. They don't want any more Iraqs, Afghanistans, or other long term entanglements. Short, brutal war; fine. Anything else; pass. Again, they see Big Occupation as big government of the bad variety, and they view it as hypocritical for us to support it while championing frugal budgets and small government.

And ... it *is* hypocritical. The GOP needs to divorce itself from legacy programs that don't make sense in 2012. It's too easy for the left to argue that the right is only 'small government' when it comes to helping poor people, and is otherwise big government when it comes to killing people or interfering with them based on sexual preferences.

The left actually enjoys where our rhetoric diverges from our reality, because it's killing us among the independents. And it is killing us. How much of it is really, truly worth dying over?

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 12, 2012 06:35 PM (27tUc)

823
Santorum would have been able to a) defend himself and b) put his own position forward.


He would have fared much better.

like he did in his last PA election?

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:35 PM (40anC)

824 Well, you guys proved yourselves in predicting the election, so maybe your opinions, ideas and predictions really do hold value.


Olaf, why do you keep ignoring my question? Does it scare you?


What is your share of the national debt?

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 06:36 PM (z9HTb)

825 775 If you took it down a notch and stopped yelling ( So many caps) people might take what you say better. Just a suggestion
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:22 PM (79ueO)
He reminds me alot ofJaramiah wright gosh darn America. He liked his caps too.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 06:24 PM (3Y7RV)


Yep. If more than 10% of your posts contain multiple non-acronym words in ALL CAPS, you're being the guy at the bar who insists on yelling out everything.

And no one likes that guy. Even if they agree with him.

On the other hand italics are an elegant comment weapon for a more civilized age

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:36 PM (pAlYe)

826 /Sesame Bun Moochers

Big Bird's bff Elmo is suspended for "inappropriate relations with a
16-year-old boy". Whether Sesame Street or Mr. Roger's Neighborhood,
queer fellows make odd role models.

Posted by: The Kid at November 12, 2012 06:36 PM (BAnPT)

827
Some guys are attracted to women who resemble them.
Maybe Petraeus is like that.


Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (ICEh3)
--------


Isn't that kind of gay?

Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:31 PM (hl8SI)

--------

Not necessarily.
It could be more a case of...'being attracted to what looks familiar'.

There would be a familiarity in seeing features that resemble ones own features...like seeing a family member.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:37 PM (ICEh3)

828 Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:35 PM (tVTLU)

Emulating Leftists is a stupid idea.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:37 PM (uvzjj)

829 Famous Bond girl, an actress who went by the name Tallulah, who was....



.....a tranny:


http://tinyurl.com/6ol6mv

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 06:37 PM (UOM48)

830 Truly a fascinating dynamic we're watching play out.But it all points to PAIN in our future. Math cannot be suspended.FDR had a war to bail him out.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (MmH0Z)

----------->>>
A global war is coming. We are re-living the 1930's; just instead of Nazis we have Islamofascists.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at November 12, 2012 06:38 PM (nYHk7)

831 I'm not sure what you are talking about regarding age. Obama was elected as a not even one term community organizer senator from IL who was 46 when he was running.
Rubio will be 45 in 2016 and cotton will be 39.
What a fantastic young turnaround team for 2016.
Plenty of experience, a card that the dems have completely given up with obama.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:35 PM (tVTLU)

A) obama was at least a Senator, if not a real working one.
B) is your guy a "Magic Black Messiah"? I think not.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:38 PM (79ueO)

832 Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:36 PM (pAlYe)

Please sir....could I have my ampersand back?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 06:38 PM (GsoHv)

833 >>To all those who think that economic stagnation and/or collapse will lead the voters to kick the lefties out of power:
_

That's not really the perspective. The idea is that the Progressive State is failing all over the western world because it is an obsolete system. So the perspective has that as a premise: that the Progressive State will fail.

With that premise, the focus become supporting alternate systems that already exist and creating new systems that will replace the State when it fails.

Now, how it fails is unknown. It may be a smooth transition or it may be less than optimal. But if you believe it will fail then you should be prepared for the transition. Let the moochers wail and cry for the scraps, we should start building what comes next.

And we should do whatever we can to hasten the failure. To my mind that mostly means supporting the alternate systems, but it also means withdrawing support for the Statist systems, which is certainly not limited to but does include voting.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 12, 2012 06:38 PM (J4gw3)

834 "823
Santorum would have been able to a) defend himself and b) put his own position forward.


He would have fared much better.

like he did in his last PA election?

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:35 PM (40anC) "

He won in PA. (Not the last time, obviously.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:38 PM (uvzjj)

835 plus, i'm quitting smoking, hence the caps and anger/frustration.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:39 PM (tVTLU)

836 It's too easy for the left to argue that the right is only 'small government' when it comes to helping poor people,

there are virtually no real poor people in the US.
our Government uses a relative measurement not absolute.
Our "poor" are wealthier than 99% of the world and are so fat they need taxpayer funded gastric bypass surgery.
If the left really believe in Keynes, these parasites should be alternatively digging and filling holes.

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:39 PM (40anC)

837 830 RBC,

Yeah well it's gonna be a bright sunny day....

in some US port city at 230am real soon.

"forward"

Got an hour and a half maybe...


Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:40 PM (LRFds)

838 Texas to leave the union?

Posted by: Paul at November 12, 2012 06:40 PM (xwVUV)

839 Another intriguing tidbit from msnbc:

"The split in Congress will force both sides to bargain,” said economist Paul Ashworth of Capital Economics. “We expect the Democrats to agree to extend the Bush-era (tax cuts) for higher income earners in exchange for Republicans agreeing to put off the spending cuts."

In other words, the national bankruptcy will not be televised.



Posted by: Cricket at November 12, 2012 06:41 PM (2ArJQ)

840 "833 >>To all those who think that economic stagnation and/or collapse will lead the voters to kick the lefties out of power:
_

That's not really the perspective. The idea is that the Progressive State is failing all over the western world because it is an obsolete system. So the perspective has that as a premise: that the Progressive State will fail.

With that premise, the focus become supporting alternate systems that already exist and creating new systems that will replace the State when it fails.

Now, how it fails is unknown. It may be a smooth transition or it may be less than optimal. But if you believe it will fail then you should be prepared for the transition. Let the moochers wail and cry for the scraps, we should start building what comes next.

And we should do whatever we can to hasten the failure. To my mind that mostly means supporting the alternate systems, but it also means withdrawing support for the Statist systems, which is certainly not limited to but does include voting.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 12, 2012 06:38 PM (J4gw3) "

How does not voting make things better?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:41 PM (uvzjj)

841 We shouldn't be hoping the midterm elections will be a boon for the pubbies. I want Obama and his minions to own the whole shit sandwich, I don't want a republican within a hundred miles of DC because the stuttering clusterfuck will figure out away to blame them for his crappy economy.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 12, 2012 06:41 PM (/10HE)

842 833 runninrebel,

it also means while we still can, communicating and trying to coagulate and keep red enclaves red.

best case we split, worst case we try to slow the impact velocity.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (LRFds)

843 Related Thought: I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally -- and it's never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching consequences when you're in such a state. I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes. We need some data, and we need some thinking.
==================================

There are some of us who actually had a contingency plan based on this result. It is not like I just woke up thinking to L.I.B.

Posted by: Jimmy at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (Gk5QE)

844 Not necessarily.
It could be more a case of...'being attracted to what looks familiar'.

There would be a familiarity in seeing features that resemble ones own features...like seeing a family member.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:37 PM (ICEh3)


But most people rarely see their own features. They see everyone else's features the bulk of the time, unless they spend hours staring at a mirror or looking at pictures of themselves or watching themselves on TV.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (X3lox)

845 plus, i'm quitting smoking, hence the caps and anger/frustration.


Well, why didn't you say so?


Please, yell louder.

Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (z9HTb)

846 Watching the movie Midway at the moment. They just said the words " Jap Bastard" .. Doubt they could do that now a days. Ah ok maybe, since japs are not a protected cult like muslims? OK back to your regular programing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (79ueO)

847 t-bird:
I read your post and laughed, but we all know the truth. Only the freaks buy those arguments. And if they are relegated to capturing the freaks, SO BE IT!!!
After 9-11, any rational man wanted to join up, even though most of us did not. All the lefties have would just fall away, and the only freaks that would listen to it are, well, freaks.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (tVTLU)

848 . (Not the last time, obviously.)

he was humiliated

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:43 PM (40anC)

849 "844 Not necessarily.
It could be more a case of...'being attracted to what looks familiar'.

There would be a familiarity in seeing features that resemble ones own features...like seeing a family member.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:37 PM (ICEh3)

But most people rarely see their own features. They see everyone else's features the bulk of the time, unless they spend hours staring at a mirror or looking at pictures of themselves or watching themselves on TV.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (X3lox) "

Haven't you heard? Society has Progressed!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:43 PM (uvzjj)

850 840 Mirror Universe Mitt Romney,

It doesn't IMHO.

You should run to texas. I finally got some sleep. Keep the red red and start making armor for the free market capitalists system being the new "jew." Team we're gonna be oppressed soon.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:43 PM (LRFds)

851 So you can be half white, but better not marry one? OK I get it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:12 PM (79ueO)

Black women have real difficulty getting a Permanent husband. They really HATE white women who get one of their potential mates. Strangely, Black men look at white women as a trophy, and many if not most of them would rather have a white woman.
It's like a status symbol or something.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:44 PM (R9579)

852 How does not voting make things better?

The faster the collapse, the faster we get on to building what replaces the USA. I'd rather see 20 "fast" years of chaos and realignment, than 70 years of Soviet rule.

Posted by: The KGB at November 12, 2012 06:45 PM (W1HcZ)

853 843 Jimmy,

Amen, we'll ride the bitch in if we can but by God I am about to get to be a lot less of a spender, and when the time comes a lot less of an earner.

"Forward"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:45 PM (LRFds)

854 Secession won't work. I would love the idea of a statewide Galt's Gulch populated only by people who wanted to work hard and be left alone. It would be a shining example to the world of what free enterprise can actually do, in the same way that Detroit and East St. Louis are shining examples of what unfettered Democrat rule can achieve.

However, you couldn't do it without expelling all the moochers...and then keeping any from moving in. good luck with that part.

Posted by: Palandine at November 12, 2012 06:46 PM (g7D8V)

855 Black women have real difficulty getting a Permanent husband. They really HATE white women who get one of their potential mates. Strangely, Black men look at white women as a trophy, and many if not most of them would rather have a white woman.
It's like a status symbol or something.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:44 PM (R9579)

Yeah I kinda knew that, I was just being kinda tongue in check

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:46 PM (79ueO)

856 "850 840 Mirror Universe Mitt Romney,

It doesn't IMHO.

You should run to texas. I finally got some sleep. Keep the red red and start making armor for the free market capitalists system being the new "jew." Team we're gonna be oppressed soon.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:43 PM (LRFds) "

We already are, and have been for a long time, if you think about it. The 20th century was pretty brutal, and the 21st is only worse.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:46 PM (uvzjj)

857 Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:37 PM (ICEh3)

Oops on my last response to you. Poor reading comprehension on my part. You addressed the point perfectly. My comment was stupid.

Never mind ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:47 PM (X3lox)

858 "851 So you can be half white, but better not marry one? OK I get it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:12 PM (79ueO)

Black women have real difficulty getting a Permanent husband. They really HATE white women who get one of their potential mates. Strangely, Black men look at white women as a trophy, and many if not most of them would rather have a white woman.
It's like a status symbol or something.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:44 PM (R9579) "

White women are perceived as more feminine/attractive, so that's not really that surprising...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:47 PM (uvzjj)

859 854 Palandine,

Yeah?

Hotter or colder than hell bud.

Either one cuts down a lot of bullshit.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:48 PM (LRFds)

860 "there are virtually no real poor people in the US.
our Government uses a relative measurement not absolute."

I've been all over the world, and seen poverty that would shock your average American liberal into a thumb-sucking coma, so I understand what you're saying, but good luck making that argument with Joe Six-Pack and winning elections. If there's not a Lexus in his driveway, he wants to make some hedge fund manager put one there.

Like the thread states, even 'conservative' voters favor what they see as Obama's concern for keeping them in the house they bought with a liar loan and haven't paid on in two years. They see the GOP as wanted to run up deficits to afford another 10 years in Afghanistan, and Obama as running up deficits to let them stay in their house, call Papa John on their Obamaphone and buy a stack of extra-larges using their EBTs.

To a slackjawed independent voter just trying to make ends meet while living above their means, it's really no contest.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 12, 2012 06:48 PM (27tUc)

861 851 So you can be half white, but better not marry one? OK I get it?

and if you're not only half white , but was raised white, you better get the most negroid looking wife you can find outside of Africa

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:48 PM (40anC)

862 Broadwell is a whore and so is Boehner.

Posted by: Jmel at November 12, 2012 06:48 PM (c+D8V)

863 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:38 PM

I distrust anyone who starts in with this "next time, we gotta have xxxx xxxxxxx for a candidate eleventy!!11!! bullshit. I don't care who the Projected Upcoming Winner is; the notion that said candidate's image, beliefs and attributes will remain static for four years is nonsense.

When everyone was butthurt about McCain, we heard all about the "fact" that Teh SARAHCUUUDAAAA!!11!! would sweep the party into the White House in '12. Later, it was Jindal and Rubio who should be Anointed.

Frankly all that smells too much like Choom Boy-worship to me. It's as disgusting when we do it as it is for the friggin' libs.

Give it six months and see who actually starts to work for the presidency. Then, we can look at his/her record and start considering them.

Well, as long as it's not Santorum or the never-popular T-Paw, anyway.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 12, 2012 06:48 PM (yKUrR)

864 "She must be MI, they always had the biggest sluts."

Alex, actually that honor would belong to females in the military medical fields...although Intel does come a very close second.

Posted by: Icedog at November 12, 2012 06:48 PM (PTS+l)

865 How do we come back and win:
1) The base, the real base needs to drive what candidates we end up with. I mean, putting aside all preconceived notions, was anyone watching the primary debates and didn't come away with the conclusion that Mitt was the ONLY ONE ON STAGE THAT COULD FUCKING TALK. Others had moments, but clearly he was head and shoulders above the rest, and I didn't like Mitt, he wasn't my first choice but when I saw everyone on stage I was like WTF happened??;
2) We need to limit primary debates and thus damage to candidates;
3) We need to be offensive in advertising and attack any message to define our candidate IMMEDIATELY after the primary; and
4) FOR FUCK'S SAKE, CAN WE GET TOGETHER AND ORGANIZE A GOTV EFFORT IN THE 10 STATES THAT FUCKING REALLY MATTER???????????
Orca, whatever the fuck. Just give me the fucking voter lists and I'll take care of the rest. FUCK.
$5M per state and 10MM in the big ones would lock this the fuck up if I were in charge of this shit. How fucking stupid can they be. Fuck orca, fuck gnarwhat, I'll just call it VANS and PHONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:49 PM (tVTLU)

866 "852 How does not voting make things better?

The faster the collapse, the faster we get on to building what replaces the USA. I'd rather see 20 "fast" years of chaos and realignment, than 70 years of Soviet rule.

Posted by: The KGB at November 12, 2012 06:45 PM (W1HcZ) "

Maybe. But some sort of North Korea Lite scenario is also a possibility.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:49 PM (uvzjj)

867 "Conservatives aren't anti-science."

maybe some conservatives aren't, but there are plenty of wilful mouth-breathers like christopher taylor here who denounce *all science* (except when it's bible-y!!!!) as mendacious, irresponsible, and unethical to speak for the apparently non-negligible swath of conservative voters who can't trust the results of repeatable, standardised methodological enquiries...but of course are happy to blindly accept the pronouncements of the wisemen of thousands of years in the past.

...this is all not to mention, of course, official republican politicians like georgia state rep broun, who has independently decided that embryology and big-bang cosmology are "lies sent from the put of hell to deceive" him and all the other good xtians whose pastors know more about how the world works than the folks who have studies and analysed physical laws their entire lives.

BZZZT, WRONG: too many conservatives really are anti-science, and it's time for the church to sit back and figure out how to incorporate modern scientific knowledge into its teachings. this alternative of maintaining a healthy subpopulation of wilful ignoramuses seriously damages the party's credibility when even a single one of those ignoramuses experiments with mixing fundamentalist religious doctrine and politics live on nat'l tv.

"Your generation is not smarter or more informed. In fact, if anything it is the opposite."

...you're an idiot if you really believe that. there are so many things that are now part and parcel of the common body of knowledge -- for anyone living in 2012, no matter what age -- that were mysterious and unknown in, say, 1970. to claim otherwise perhaps betrays a tendency to reject fancy, newfangled modern thinkin's as "lies from the pit of hell". perhaps.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 06:49 PM (79EF9)

868 Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:37 PM (ICEh3)

Although ... the whole "family resemblance" thing is more than a little creepy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:49 PM (X3lox)

869 what you say is true , but i dont think Olaf was referring to the tribe was he?

Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (40anC)

I took him to be referring to conservatives in General. The Orthodox are our allies, and they are taking New York! Other conservative demographics are also raising large families, but I had just read an article about the Orthodox in New York, and thought it was appropriate to point it out.
Given that he is a Liberal, I figure there was a fair chance he was from that Area. Nothing would piss him off more than to think he is about to be surrounded by people like us.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:50 PM (R9579)

870 The left actually enjoys where our rhetoric diverges from our reality, because it's killing us among the independents.

-----

Reassess your own reality..... Mitt carried indy's.

Posted by: Chrissy Mathews at November 12, 2012 06:50 PM (9MmIU)

871 Sven, St. Louis gets well below zero in the winters and above 100 in the summers. Doesn't stop us from having moochers.

Secession, while awesome, won't work. That's not to say I'm not looking into my own personal secession, but it won't work statewide without mas expulsions.

Posted by: Palandine at November 12, 2012 06:51 PM (g7D8V)

872 Posted by: Alex at November 12, 2012 06:15 PM (3x3F6)

Love that, and knowing someone like you is shaping young minds to think for themselves. What do you teach?

Posted by: LizLem at November 12, 2012 06:51 PM (8wqqE)

873 Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 06:49 PM (79EF9)

Stop trolling, Jenny.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:51 PM (uvzjj)

874 580 Peter Rock,
With all due respect, the national guard isn't the kind of veteran I'm talking about.
The left even made up fake papers to destroy GW's service. But when you havea war veteran such as Tom Cotton that volunteered for front line duty
THEN THE LEFT HAS NO FUCKING THING TO SAY EXCEPT SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE IT.
Allen West is fighting for his life even though he was ass raped with a redistricting. His military service played a big role in carrying him this far.
Americans respect that, clear as day. But the national guard and fighting in wars are kind of two different things.
If anything, with GW it was MORE EVIDENCE OF PRIVILEGE than anything else.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:38 PM (tVTLU)


Would you mind posting your DD-214?

I'm sure a lot of National Guard veterans, with combat time, would be interested in viewing it. There are some Indiana Guard veterans that served with the Rangers in Vietnam that may like to talk to you about that, also.

RE Bush: Bush flew the F-102, a somewhat difficult aircraft to fly, with a rather high accident rate. The F-102's were specifically not deployed to Vietnam. F-102 squadrons were the backbone of NORAD and had not quite been supplanted by the superior F-106. Seeing as how we were in a Cold War at the time, it would be rather foolish to strip your Air Defenses of it's prime interceptor.

Privilege doesn't mean a fuckin' thing when you're cruising at Flight Level 230, fat dumb and happy, and you flameout or pull a utility hydraulics failure.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 06:51 PM (wauE5)

875
844...But most people rarely see their own features. They see everyone else's features the bulk of the time, unless they spend hours staring at a mirror or looking at pictures of themselves or watching themselves on TV.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (X3lox)

-----------

Men see their faces when shaving in front of a mirror.
Petraeus has probably seen himself on TV a lot in recent years.

All I'm saying is...Broadwell looks like she could be related to Petraeus.
And I've seen this happen before...guys being attracted to girls who havesimilar facialfeatures.

Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:52 PM (ICEh3)

876 i'm not a fan of this takers v. makers analysis as if that's all there is. It's almost like the libertarian inverse of Marxian analysis.

Also even on those terms the GOP hasn't articulated what exactly it's going to do to jumpstart the economy besides tax reform.

Posted by: JDP at November 12, 2012 06:52 PM (60GaT)

877 "White women are perceived as more feminine/attractive, so that's not really that surprising..."

fair skin is considered an attractive feminine trait in just about every culture in the world. even in cultures where the majority of the population is fairly dark-skinned, alabaster-skinned females are considered the epitome of cutaneous beauty.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 06:52 PM (79EF9)

878 "....many if not most of them would rather have a white woman. It's like a status symbol or something."

Reminds me of Damon Wayans' bit abouta brother picking up a white woman at the special olympics...and thinking hehas "struck gold!" He manages to offend 80% of the population in less than a minute, so you know it's funny.

Posted by: Icedog at November 12, 2012 06:53 PM (PTS+l)

879 860 AK,

Indeed. Doesn't stop the rhetoric of our being "monsters who want da folk poor" though.

Abolsih the minimum wage and UE3 and 6 fall through the floor.

We are being made rich serfs beholden to Uncle Sugar as pie cutter....O doesn't give a fuck about good natural growth and he ain't gonna make the poor more rich he is gonna bleed them down.

Fuck it let it burn, they wanted it?

You can have it all.

They cannot take it if you will not make it.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:53 PM (LRFds)

880 Secession, while awesome, won't work. That's not to say I'm not looking into my own personal secession, but it won't work statewide without mas expulsions.

Posted by: Palandine at November 12, 2012 06:51 PM (g7D8V)


Actually, if a seceding state stopped insane welfare giveaways and stopped free services for all sorts of shit, lots of dems would get up and leave to return to the comfort of the American Socialist Superstate. Just as with illegals, if there were a serious effort put into stopping the ridiculous giveaway fo services then many leeches would make themselves mobile in short order.

Other than that, I would be happy to eject all registered dems from a newly formed America. They are citizens of the American Socialist Superstate and should be a burden there, where they belong.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:54 PM (X3lox)

881 876 JDP,

The Sierra Club is stealing about a quadrillion dollars worth of the people's wealth potential.

Plain enough for you?


Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:54 PM (LRFds)

882 "868 Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:37 PM (ICEh3)

Although ... the whole "family resemblance" thing is more than a little creepy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:49 PM (X3lox) "

It depends how good your genes are. If you had perfect genes (which no one does), you could breed with yourself and there would be no problem. (By the way, this was pretty much the premise of Nazism.)

The problem arises from the fact that most mutations are not desirable (and are recessive.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:55 PM (uvzjj)

883 fair skin is considered an attractive feminine trait in just about every culture in the world. even in cultures where the majority of the population is fairly dark-skinned, alabaster-skinned females are considered the epitome of cutaneous beauty.
Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 06:52 PM (79EF9)

Maybe, but there are some darker skinned Israeli girls i have known that are, well let's say Katicha and yaffa maod

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:55 PM (79ueO)

884 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 06:50 PM (R9579)

Having big families is no panacea if all those kids go to public schools.
What we Orthos do is spend what hasnt been taxed and send our kids to Yeshiva to escape the Heather has twwo Mommies and condoms on cucumber classes.
Christians and other religious have to do the same

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:56 PM (40anC)

885 761
Loss
of subcutaneous fat. That's what gives older women who are exercise
addicts that harsh look. An honest plastic surgeon will tell those women
they don't need botox, they need to gain 10 pounds. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (Gk3SS)

How does that saying go, when you're a lady over a certain age you can either choose to have an attractive face or butt, but you can't have both. Not that people don't spend billions each year trying.

Posted by: LizLem at November 12, 2012 06:57 PM (8wqqE)

886 Shit, the libs think they can control the weather. They got more than their fair share of voodoo bullshit that they believe. It ain't just conservatives that are "anti-science".

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 06:58 PM (BF5Y9)

887 874 98ZJUSMC,

Easy brother amen.

The Nuclear rocket Sled Bush flew makes him a man in my book. If vets turn on each other hard we're fucked.

Guys, guys the national Guard carried plenty of this fucked up who cares really elect the "not a muslim" Jihadi Watch war we're in.

Collapse in form ranks dress it right cover down 40 inches all around boys.

It's gonna get sporty and we have folk to teach if it comes to that no blue on blue PLEASE?!?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:58 PM (LRFds)

888
Maybe, but there are some darker skinned Israeli girls i have known that are, well let's say Katicha and yaffa maod
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:55 PM (79ueO)

Emet Maod

Although many would just want to shtup them and not marry them

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:58 PM (40anC)

889 Maybe, but there are some darker skinned Israeli girls i have known that are, well let's say Katicha and yaffa maod

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:55 PM (79ueO)


I would guess that you are referring to the olive-skinned, green eyed Yemenite babes. Hot.


Of course, green eyes (and blue eyes) look great on anyone.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:59 PM (X3lox)

890 http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/2012/11/barack-obama-voter-fraud-2012.html#comment-form

Posted by: chris at November 12, 2012 06:59 PM (Q1oH7)

891 Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (uvzjj)

Gotta disagree. This year it was MASSIVE. In fact, more than they meant to.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 12, 2012 07:00 PM (KL49F)

892 I have asked my Representative to either let the Bush/Obama tax cuts all expire, or to make them the permanent rate. None of this extend shit.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 07:01 PM (QupBk)

893 I would guess that you are referring to the olive-skinned, green eyed Yemenite babes. Hot.


Of course, green eyes (and blue eyes) look great on anyone.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:59 PM (X3lox)


Well those for sure but also some of the Iraqi and other Shephardic girls and also some of the Etheopians I met.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 07:01 PM (79ueO)

894 Well those for sure but also some of the Iraqi and other Shephardic girls and also some of the Etheopians I met.

i married a Sephrdic Turk.
Also with Ethiopians they have dark skin , but not the negroid features that Mohammed Ali would call looking like a gorilla

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 07:03 PM (40anC)

895 "Reassess your own reality..... Mitt carried indy's."

Of the ones that bothered to vote? That was less than McCain. Heck, George Bush carried more *Mormons*, both as a percentage (80% vs 74%) and in raw numbers.

All Mitt carried to this party was a suicide vest packed with C4 and fail.

The reality is, the GOP is seen as profligate spenders divergent from it's own rhetoric by a sizeable block of its own members. Some dragged themselves to the polls anyway, but millions didn't. Millions less than John "Sad Sack RINO Sellout Extraordinaire" McCain.

Again, thank GWB for spending like a drunken sailor, embracing nation building and ruining the brand, but the current GOP is hasn't gotten the memo that these things are dead as disco to the rank and file. If we can't correct these problems internally, the left will gleefully point them out come the next election, and the next, and the next.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 12, 2012 07:04 PM (27tUc)

896 i married a Sephrdic Turk.
Also with Ethiopians they have dark skin , but not the negroid features that Mohammed Ali would call looking like a gorilla
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 07:03 PM (40anC)

We should stop talking and keep those secrets to ourselves

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 07:05 PM (79ueO)

897 Having big families is no panacea if all those kids go to public schools.

What we Orthos do is spend what hasnt been taxed and send our kids
to Yeshiva to escape the Heather has twwo Mommies and condoms on
cucumber classes.

Christians and other religious have to do the same

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:56 PM (40anC)

I think most people of a conservative mind set are aware of the problems associated with public schools. In my own experience, the problems are not just the schools, but mostly what the children who go there have or have not been taught by their parents at home.
Certainly much of the bad behavior I have seen should have been excised in the home. I think the influence of the schools can be overcome if the parents work to counteract it.

In any case, i'm in favor of school vouchers, and low cost degrees, such as the $10,000.00 Degree (mostly online education) which is currently being discussed in Texas. If we can screw their acquisition of new students, we can screw their influence.

Democratize Education!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 07:05 PM (R9579)

898 Seeing more of Broadwell on FBC. If your married to Holly but are spending time with PB, how many of us could control our pecker( assuming you dont have low T of aging)

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 07:06 PM (40anC)

899 The one thing we must vow to do moving forward is to not play the game anymore. The game is rigged top to bottom in favor of our opponent. We must not play such a game.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 07:07 PM (MmH0Z)

900 "Shit, the libs think they can control the weather. They got more than their fair share of voodoo bullshit that they believe."

nah, i disagree.

they have some seriously bullshit voodoo beliefs -- climate change and keynsian money-multipliers most visible among them -- no doubt, but there's a far, far cry between liberal beliefs in cooked science and "economic truths" and some "conservatives'" beliefs in virgin births and the contrivance of embryological imaging or DNA similarities across species.

i, for one, await the conclusion of the church's ongoing self-destruction. when our politicians no longer have to throw a bone to the hypocritical xtians who plead for "freedom of religious conscience", but seek to use the power of the state to coercively impose that religious conscience upon the entire nation, maybe conservatism won't be such a joke.

maybe we won't be the regressive version of statists.

maybe we can actually claim a little honesty in our "small-government" platform when we're not dragging along a bunch of stone-age imbeciles who would just *love* to use the power of the state to force a recognition of their own beliefs on the entire american people.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 07:07 PM (79EF9)

901
We should stop talking and keep those secrets to ourselves
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 07:05 PM (79ueO)

Good idea

Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 07:08 PM (40anC)

902 Please, please stop with the Rubio hype already.

He's wonderful -- and personally, I love Bobby Jindal even more than Rubio -- but unfortunately, neither one of these fine men is a natural-born citizen, i.e., their parents were NOT U.S. citizens at the time Marco and Bobby were born. Just because the Demoncrats see fit to trash our Constitution doesn't mean WE should!! Two wrongs do not make a right.

It's tough luck -- but hell, we need to get over this silly idea of some Savior Riding In To Save Us anyway. It's not as if Rubio and Jindal are the ONLY qualified conservatives out there. Come on, folks!

And please, please, please, can we please get rid of this idea that Rubio is the Magic Ticket to the Hispanic vote. Most Hispanics in the U.S. are MEXICANS. I know a lot of Mexicans -- and Cubans might as well be Swedes for all they care, they do not see Cubans as "one of us." Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe that's just the people I personally know -- but I'm just sayin.'

AND... even if Mexicans DID see Cubans as "us," would that even matter? I question the whole pandering-to-a-demographic paradigm in the first place. I'm female, for goodness' sake, and there are very few people on earth whom I loathe more than I loathe my fellow females Kathleen Sebelius, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Bexar, Jodie Evans, Medea Benjamin, Hillary Clinton and -- OF COURSE -- Debbie Wasserman-Schulz.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 12, 2012 07:09 PM (F0o5k)

903 900 Jimi Ray,

Yeah I guess hey jimi...how many "evil Xian Rethuglican roolz' you ever seen me post back when I was hammering 3000 a week?

How many times you seen me hypocritically use gays to paint anyone as anything and then not even a week after the election say 'hey it is a state's rights' matter'...?

You are about to get nailed in cost of living by more magic pen regulatory fiat games for the Malthusian Death Cult's weather gods....

have fun.

I will.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 07:10 PM (LRFds)

904 657 This is all a rather inevitable consequence of transforming people into nihilistic, myopic animals incapable of thinking the long-term effects of their decisions and behavior through.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (uvzjj)
__________
New rule: would-be voters must pass the gom jabbar test.

Posted by: Dante at November 12, 2012 07:11 PM (NWLVJ)

905 895 AK<

There's some math involved.

Bush/Boehner/Mcconnell never spent as much as Granny McRictus until Pothead was in charge.

I am not gonna link to charts anymore, if you think my hitting you with a roofing hammer feels just like my buddy here nailing you with a 25 pound sledge hammer it is not my problem anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 07:12 PM (LRFds)

906 He's wonderful -- and personally, I love Bobby Jindal even more than Rubio -- but unfortunately, neither one of these fine men is a natural-born citizen, i.e., their parents were NOT U.S. citizens at the time Marco and Bobby were born. Just because the Demoncrats see fit to trash our Constitution doesn't mean WE should!! Two wrongs do not make a right. Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 12, 2012 07:09 PM (F0o5k)

We are past the point of being able to play by the rules.

Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 07:13 PM (BBlzg)

907 902 Kathy from Kansas,

You're gonna love what I want for new texas then...

abolish the INS anyone can run period.....

the voter must know who a man is not rely on some magical idea that EVERY American thinks 'x' an "Ameican" communist got reelected on the revenge platform...

I'd rather elect a new delhi street urchin who believes in Adam Smith no offense.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 07:13 PM (LRFds)

908 >>> Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 07:07 PM

Ouch, yes. Good post.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 07:17 PM (SKX2R)

909 sigh

Posted by: nip at November 12, 2012 07:18 PM (11Tdq)

910 Easy brother amen.

The Nuclear rocket Sled Bush flew makes him a man in my book. If vets turn on each other hard we're fucked.

Guys, guys the national Guard carried plenty of this fucked up who cares really elect the "not a muslim" Jihadi Watch war we're in.

Collapse in form ranks dress it right cover down 40 inches all around boys.

It's gonna get sporty and we have folk to teach if it comes to that no blue on blue PLEASE?!?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 06:58 PM (LRFds)




I was nice. :-) I'm so sick of the Bush/Guard Guard/Privilege crap I could scream. Those that have never flown high performance combat aircraft have no idea just how dangerous they really are, Fighter-types being the worst (most dangerous).

dress it right cover down 40 inches all around

Shit. Now, you're giving me boot camp flashbacks.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 07:18 PM (wauE5)

911 Here you go- a post from an article discussing the fiscal cliff:
bertomala | Nov12,201207:17PM ETTHE RICH NEED TO PAY MORE ITS THAT SIMPLE.
SOME MILLIONAIRS ARE BEGGING TO PAY MORE, WHY DONT THE REPUBLICANS AGREE?
I KNOW, BECAUSE THEY ARE ARROGANT SOBs. and hate to obey and reason with anyone but themselfs...

Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 07:20 PM (pdhxN)

912 >>> He's wonderful -- and personally, I love Bobby Jindal even more than Rubio -- but unfortunately, neither one of these fine men is a natural-born citizen, i.e., their parents were NOT U.S. citizens at the time Marco and Bobby were born.

You are a loony.

Like seriously dude.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 07:21 PM (SKX2R)

913 The average annual deficit for the last run of Republican Congresses was $102B. I would give a lot to get even those numbers back.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 07:23 PM (QupBk)

914 The only plain reading of the words "natural born citizen" that makes any sense -- and the one most commonly accepted -- is a person who became a citizen immediately at the moment of birth. I.e., their citizenry happened "naturally" as a result of their birth.

Where in the constitution does it say anything about the parents?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 07:25 PM (SKX2R)

915 This

Posted by: bound4er at November 12, 2012 07:28 PM (38UbW)

916 913 toby 928th,

numbers are racist,.....


join us Toby 928th kenobi you're our only hope...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 07:29 PM (LRFds)

917 How would he have done worse than Romney?


Um, because then he'd even have ME worried he was trying to ban birth control?

Posted by: entropy at November 12, 2012 07:41 PM (YUttk)

918 Are you trying to drive P.J. O'Rourke out of the party?

Posted by: entropy at November 12, 2012 07:42 PM (YUttk)

919 Now I'm not sure that I'm as impressed by Rubio's speech that someone linked above comparing it to Reagan's.

I watched a bit of it, then I rewatched a bit of Reagan's from the Goldwater convention. Rubio's a gifted speaker, but no way he spoke with the authority and power of Reagan.

Which doesn't mean Rubio or Jindal won't be President one day. They're both capable men.

ALTHOUGH I seriously am beginning to doubt either one's ability to win the nomination, with a significant minority of right-wing crackpots disqualifying them right from the get-go based on a crackpotty reading of the constitution.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 07:42 PM (SKX2R)

920
Anyone whopropagandizes that those with faith in God are the real danger to the Republic are simple water-boys for the commie left.
Who do you think built this free nation?
Would you rather have a nation of people who worship God (who has no earthly power), or a nation of people who worship the State?
A State that has the power to steal your property and livelihood, that can kill and imprison you?
Where in the hell has Communism EVER worked???


Posted by: Pam at November 12, 2012 07:45 PM (cgrL5)

921 Pam, I think saying Christians are the main danger to the Republic is a bit much. There were plenty of Christians at the nation's finding even if several of the most influential founders were primarily Deists.

And they were.

The Republic is mainly in danger of changing utterly because of Demographic changes, because biology drives destiny.

Those are unpalatable truths, but there's much to be said for them.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 07:47 PM (SKX2R)

922 Wheaton-Romney was afraid of Perry too,
he had a website that was anti Perry!
Rick Perry in 2016!

Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 07:49 PM (s0f54)

923 Here's what I sent to my representatives (Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and my congressman):

"With the unfortuate re-election of Obama, I am seeing a lot of noise coming from the Republican leadership that the GOP has to move to moderation on issues such as abortion, immigration law, entitlements and budget.

I am absolutely, vehemently opposed to any such 'compromise' with a Democratic majority on any of these issues. Let me go, one by one down the list:

1) abortion. This is a non-negotiable issue. The use of public funds for this purpose is utterly horrifying. They are making me an accessory to infanticide. If the GOP abandons this plank, many, many people are going to be disenfranchised and forced to seek a new party. Obviously, that guarantees Democratic control for the forseeable future.

If you EVER cast a vote that in any way compromises on abortion, I will forever vote against you, rather it be in primaries, or for your opponent. That is an ironclad guarantee.

2) immigration reform. First, I find it ridiculous that we are discussing granting citizenship to people that are breaking Federal and state laws WHILE they are being granted citizenship. Secondly... WHAT?! Hispanics overwhelmingly vote Democrat, so granting amnesty will probably move Texas into swing state status. Any Republican that votes in favor of this should be forced to switch parties, because they certainly aren't interested in the future of the GOP.

3) Entitlements and Budget. This is really a no-brainer. The GOP is the only thing standing between the US and fiscal insanity. I implore you to do whatever has to be done to slam on the breaks on the spending spree. If the sequestarian cuts have the be implemented because the Democrats will not compromise, then there is no earhly reason for Republicans to compromise.

On an unrelated note, why in the world haven't Republicans been screaming from the rooftops that the Democratically controlled Senate refuses to obey the law and pass a budget? Talk about messagin failure! Many, many people have no idea this is happening!

Thank you for seriously considering this email. I welcome the opportunity to discuss these issues further with you should you care to.

Sincerely,"

Posted by: sdavis at November 12, 2012 07:59 PM (njVMI)

924 I'd say it's something akin to battered wife syndrome. Yeah he's the cause of absolute misery, but where are you going to go? What are you going to do?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 12, 2012 08:03 PM (8cOY0)

925 448 Hey, you guys said it was going to be a romney landslide.
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:06 PM (t1NLo)


Hey, you guys said that feeling the economic recovery is imminent.
Like, six different fucking times.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 08:11 PM (jfUIE)

926 What about the states that DID THEIR JOB and voted red? What's this bullshit about appeasing the inner city obamaphone morons?

Keep it up and I'll simply realize my lifelong dream - opening up Rick's Americana in Uruguay - 10% discount on Valu-Rite shots for all morons, secret service discount on all hookers if you use the secret passphrase "bathhouse barry"...

Posted by: Arizona Patriot at November 12, 2012 08:11 PM (EMC8A)

927 I hope this goes thru.
When the incumbents are buying votes with benefits, there is a counter. Show how the promised benefits are actually being diverted to corruption and crony gifts. Play on the sense of victimhood by emphasizing how the crooks are taking the money owed them and spending it on high living.
Everyone hates crooks.

Posted by: votermom at November 12, 2012 08:16 PM (qZbAy)

928
Of course the country is changing its demographics, it always has, always will, and we have not been ignorant to that fact.
Nor were the Founders, who knew you cannot have a nation free of the tyranny of the State without citizens who lived by a basic moral code.
Just because the commie libs want to vote and live by tribal laws, balkanization, or secularization, does not mean we have to agree and turn on our fellow Americans of faith, and tell them that to worship a virgin birth, or a higher being, is out of fashion, anti-science, or even sillier.....somehow dangerous.
FGS, God worship is not the problem here.....State worship is!

Posted by: Pam at November 12, 2012 08:17 PM (cgrL5)

929 I had a suggestion on another board about being too hasty. Do we know why the 9 million didn’t show up for Obama? Do we know why the 3 million who voted for McCain didn’t show? The answers to those questions might be a better direction than trying to get the hardcore 60 million who voted for President Failure. Does anyone think reading the exit polls for people who are THIS committed to Obama that they doubled down in 2012 has the answer for where we get OUR victory margin next time? I’d say those people are lost causes but we CAN get way more than 60 million votes and start winning without these losers so let’s look at how to do that.

Posted by: Conan at November 12, 2012 08:20 PM (czc1S)

930 920 Pam,

Amen. We will all either allow ourselves to form a rank or we won't.

If we don't it is a short drop to our future.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 08:30 PM (LRFds)

931 Obama offers a better deal than Republicans offer.

It's that simple really.

Republicans have two choices:

1) They can offer me a better deal than Obama, or

2) They can make Obama's deal worse

As long as Republicans are willing, and are voting, to increase the debt limit, then there's no end to the deal Obama offers me. He can borrow as much money as he needs to secure my vote.

And he will secure it, given enough money.

Republicans have a choice.

In January, they'll get to vote on whether Obama gets a new credit card to buy my vote with. They can either vote to give him that card, and increase the debt limit, or they can cut this motherfucker off.

I'm waiting to see what they do.

Then I'll decide who has the better deal.

I believe that Republicans will continue to give Barack Obama all the money he needs to keep making my deal better.

So why should I vote for Republicans again?

Posted by: someguy at November 12, 2012 08:34 PM (sEXZ/)

932 The left gain power when we are in the toilet.

Posted by: Fresh at November 12, 2012 08:37 PM (O7ksG)

933 931 someguy,

If you have to ask that then it's your right but frankly it explains a lot about why the wheels are flying off the wagon so well.

(and I know you are being rhetorical I mean no personal offense)

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 08:37 PM (LRFds)

934 932 Fresh,

the problem is I think we may finally be at the point that too many like swimming in shit.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 08:39 PM (LRFds)

935
Agree with the depression, but the best solution is to prepare.
In addition to the election, one may want to see the problems folks on Long and Statin Island are still having 2 weeks after the photo-op. I mean storm. FEMA may not be there for you in the event of a natural disaster.
Prepare a "bug out" bag, in the event of emergency. Stock it with 3 days worth of water, food, shelter and some means of making fire. You can get quite elaborate, but it is recommended that you limit your bag to what you can carry.
Ifyou're wrong and the world survives,you still have some decent camping stuff.

Posted by: Ben at November 12, 2012 08:48 PM (gteXL)

936 "I am waiting for the EPA to deny shoreline re-building permits in NJ and NY due to the Endangered Species Act."

This is probably true, especially in areas that are mainly Republican. The EPA really does not want anyone but rich folks to have access to the water.

Do we really not have a single, slick talking, charismatic candidate? If not, then we need to embrace the isolationist side. There's no way you can say that it's the second coming of GWB if we are opposed to any more of these little adventures. Pick the bureaucratic stuff that people hate and run against that. Part of the reason unemployment benefits/food stamps are more acceptable is because you can do that stuff online. It's not like the old days when you had to sit in some miserable state office to get stuff. Find the stuff that makes people crazy and offer a way to fix it.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 12, 2012 08:53 PM (5HBd1)

937 854:However, you couldn't do it without expelling all the moochers...and then keeping any from moving in. good luck with that part.
=====================================

Yeah but the difference is we would protect our borders

Posted by: Jimmy at November 12, 2012 09:31 PM (Gk5QE)

938 I have been reading Xenophon's Anabasis and thought this quote would be worth sharing.
"I say, as I reasoned thus, there were
times when I dreaded the truce more than I now dread war."

Posted by: Yenober at November 12, 2012 10:03 PM (6bVkc)

939 "It strikes me that the public made a similar impulsive decision under emotional stress."

Oh, Ace ... Ace, the polls were locked in for MONTH, and as you recognize in other threads, only with prodding, that your side's was infantile in its ineptitude, not one single national poll that wasn't skewed towards Romney is ways that were either phony or just down right stupid ever showed Willard leading for the big cheese.

The public didn't make the LEAST impulsive of choices. The public locked in down party lines and independent 'leanings' for months. And at end of the day, the public went for the silver ... Nate Silver: 49 of 50 states right in 2008, and 50 of 50 this time 'round. The public divided closely, but nonetheless STAYED divided throughout the entire year the exact same way: Obama to win the popular by a few points and enough EVs with lots to spare.

That picture is the dyametrical OPPOSITE of implusive.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 13, 2012 02:26 AM (21TJo)

940 As a neutral (ie non american) observer, I got to say that the republican party is too overwrought by baggage, and a lot of its problems extend to its need to be reactionary, rather by action.

Truth is, the marginal utility of tax reductions, have long passed the point too increasing growth from private incomes. The propensity to save among the very rich is much higher than you realize. That should mean a re-balance in tax rates needs to be imposed. Or another way to say this, business taxes are too high, but personal taxation is too low - which includes dividend payouts. I would say lower business taxes to around 5%, repeal the payroll tax, BUT be bold enough to raise taxes on everyone. And I do mean a top rate of 40%, with NO deductions (charities, churches, whaterever).

This should encourage the flow of new entrepreneurs back into the market place. since the low business rates will help businesses.

Another thing you need to consider - the cultural changes regarding homosexuality, abortion, global warming, ect. 22% of evangelicals found a way to vote for Obama, because the young have a more realistic view on these issues. Demagogy is no longer working.

Finally, their needs to be someone willing to say this. Corporate wealth fare will no longer be tolerated. This may cause big money donors to balk at supporting the party. But seriously, do they have the best interests of the party and country at heart. Many of them do not - how many give money to both democrats and republicans. You need to taint the money supply of your opponents, which the democrats (rightly) did to your party.

Anyway, just a few thoughts, though I have many more...

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 02:52 AM (8I6vf)

941 Oh, and one more thing.

Sometimes, the most libertarian thing to do is force people to realize the best medicine is good for them.

One way to do that, is to give tax breaks for what is good. I suggest you look at implementing the base tax rate for everyone be 10% - but if that tax goes into a long term savings account, with strict controls on what it can be used for (unemployment, retirement, college funds), you get to keep the money. And yes, you are going to have to be bold, bite the bullet. 3% of all taxes should then be equally divided amongst all American citizens, and placed into these funds. Yes it is re-distributive, but in return, after 8 years for example, when their is a tidy nest egg put aside, you will be able to start reducing social security drastically over the next 20 years (I'd suggest inflation -1% per rolling year. IE, 20 years into the plan, the benefit is cut by 12%-inflation rate.) This will reward the job seekers and employed, and give no traction to claims by wealth fare recipients about the unfairness of the system.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 03:09 AM (8I6vf)

942 Hasty or not, I just finished re-registering to vote, now as an Independent. I would still definitely vall myself a conservative, and will continue to vote for Republicans, but I'm done giving them money and I'm done being identified as one. They have back-stabbed conservatives far too many times for me to continue anything but passive (votes) support. And by conservatives, I don't mean soc-cons (though they have a case to make too), I mean fiscal conservatives.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at November 13, 2012 04:44 AM (WWuYG)

943 You guys keep talking about "moochers" and "Obamaphones"--you're so obsessed that someone might get "your stuff', you're just like a toddler, screaming "mine, mine!" But that gives you a great excuse to cling to, doesn't it?-- that everyone that voted for Obama just "wants stuff". Don't you get how simplistic and petty that is? It's a great way to demonize your fellow citizens, however (and, though you may protest it's not about race, deep down you know *some* of it is). But while your'e worried that some old lady might get a phone, corporations are raking in millions with their government subsidies and tax breaks, and obscenely wealthy Wall Street bankers make millions and crash the economy--but you don't seem to care about that.
*Fact-The Lifeline Phone program (what some erroneously call "Obama phones") began in 1984. It expanded in 1996, and cellular service was launched in 2008, during the Bush administration. All BEFORE Obama took office--look it up yourself.

And when George W. Bush was running the country into the ground and spending a trillion dollars on pointless wars, you said nothing--there was no talk about the deficit from any republican. Why is that?

Obama is not a socialist, a communist, or a Muslim. He is not some boogieman out to destroy the country--this is just some ridiculous fantasy you've created. He thinks people should have health care, which every other major industrial nation in the world has. Do you think Eisenhower was a socialist? What about Kennedy or Nixon? The tax rates were much, much higher during their administrations than anything Obama proposes--look it up. And those were the days of prosperity and growth--when our infrastructure was built, the thriving middle class was created, and education became available for the masses. What if everyone had shouted "socialism" when the G.I. bill was proposed, or Medicare and Social security? (well, a few people did, but everyone else had the sense to know they were wrong).


Posted by: doubleM at November 13, 2012 05:51 AM (AFoum)

944
Obama's debt makes GWBs debt look like nothing.
Sorry Double M. That's a fact.

Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 06:13 AM (O7ksG)

945
Wall street bankers didn't crash the economy.

Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 06:14 AM (O7ksG)

946
Double M - The phone program was to help low income folks get free basicland lines.

Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 06:15 AM (O7ksG)

947
Obama's deficit spending is more that all previous administrations.
Bush did not get into the trillions.
Obama is the first president to get us into the trillions. multiple trillions.

Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 06:16 AM (O7ksG)

948 "Another thing you need to consider - the cultural changes regarding homosexuality, abortion, global warming, ect. 22% of evangelicals found a
way to vote for Obama, because the young have a more realistic view on
these issues. Demagogy is no longer working."

The issues regarding abortion and global warming are not demagogy.

Hillary Clinton has touted that abortions "should be legal, safe, and rare".

Rare? Are you kidding me? Who is spouting demagogy? There have been 40 million abortions in the past forty years. One million are aborted every year. Germany disallows abortions past the first trimester, but in America partial birth abortions, infanticide, continue without a shred of moral outrage from the left. The left spouts platitudes and then moves on without a moment of self-reflection.

Global warming as advocated by the idiots on the left is bad science, utterly lacking in critical thinking. A smart kid in junior high school could poke holes into the premise. There have been huge fluctuations in climate over the past million years, prior to the industrialized age. What was the driver for climate change before man started burning fossil fuels? Did temperatures rise and cool by magic? Or was there some agent at work. To prove global warming you have to name that agent, and then explain why the introduction of carbon neutralized it and made it go away, and why CO2 replaced it. You then have to explain why CO2 is doing such a crappy job over the past sixteen years.

These are pretty simple questions that global warmists not only can't answer but don't even acknowledge as valid.







Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 13, 2012 08:18 AM (0b17P)

949
I don't know why we don't ask democrats - point -blank - over and over-
ARE YOU OK WITH KILLING A BABY THAT CAN LIVE OUTSIDE THE WOMB?

Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 08:29 AM (O7ksG)

950 AT 948.

Emotion does not change the facts. Climate change is real, if you care to examine the real science behind it. HINT Most global warming and cooling episodes in history are caused by the axial tilt of the earth, which oscillates approximately every 41000 years. THIS IS BASIC NEWTONIAN PHYSICS. Looking at geological evidence, we can see the effects in plant life at the time. WE UNDERSTAND ALMOST ALL WARMING AND COOLING EPISODES IN PRE HISTORY. And we are mid oscillation, which means axial tilt of the earth is not causing this episode.

Other factors. THE SUN. The sun does not change its energy output drastically - otherwise life would have been frozen or boiled long ago. I could explain why, but I would need to know your level of education in physics. (the sun is in thermal equilibrium, with radiation pressure balanced against gravity). Also the sunspots cycle is well documented, and their has been no drastic changes in the cycle over observed history.

Third factor which can cause global warming/cooling - geological changes. The delta traps in India, where massive amounts of Lava (and I do mean much more massive than any volcano you have seen images off) caused climate change around 68 to 65 million years ago. SO we understand that geological effects are important - BUT IRRELEVANT for this cycle - because their has been no massive seismic event to account for this climate change to pin on. Except ice sheets and permafrost melt - which needs a cause. These are accelerating factors for future climate change.

Which leaves carbon. You can prove to yourself carbon dioxide will warm the atmosphere - BY GOING INTO A GREENHOUSE. That is why it is called a greenhouse gas. Other things warm the atmosphere as well, like methane and water vapor.

The climate is a system in equilibrium - which means many factors need to be considered in modeling it. We have accounted for all factors so far, including the oft missed global cooling effect of ash particles given by industry. Their are simply no other factors science can now include in the model
to suggest the warming we now see.

Oh, as to abortion, 95% of abortions are in the first trimester, and try this. DO NOT MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL, PERSUADE WOMEN IT IS WRONG. Ergo, no abortions needed.

All so, teach children sex education in schools - because despite your vaunted abstinence programs - the US has the highest teen pregnancy rate by far across the civilized world. And teens of evangelical parents are leading the charge.

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 01:56 PM (8I6vf)

951 950 Your 'scientific' attempt to 'prove' man-made global warming is a total fail.

The sun is in constant flux, and since it provides the vast majority of the earth's heat, any changes there are going to be felt rather dramatically here.

On an even bigger note: Greenhouses are warm because of Carbon Dioxide??? What kind of infantile logic is that.

Try googling how greenhouses work before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Posted by: sdavis at November 13, 2012 02:15 PM (njVMI)

952 951, Maybe you should google equilibrium..

And how the solar radiation AVERAGE received by earth has not changed in, well since records began.

And that the radiation from the sun, in the form of heat and light, are by far the only factors to discuss, and that is CONSTANT. Stellar eruptions are deflected by the earths magnetosphere largely, and their undeniable potential to affect electronics is massive, BUT COMPARED TO THE SOLAR RADIATION OF HEAT AND LIGHT, THEY ARE NEGLIGIBLE. THE EFFECT OF SUNSPOTS IS NEGLIGIBLE COMPARED TO THE TOTAL AREA OF THE SUN EMITTING THE ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION AS LIGHT AND HEAT.

And more to the point, we have had a number of satellites monitoring the sun, for decades.

BTW I was trying to make it simple to understand, I should have said, greenhouse gases trap heat...

(or carbon dioxide behaves as a convection heat source, which absorbs radiated heat, making the energy trapped in the earths atmosphere.)

Posted by: KM at November 13, 2012 05:12 PM (8I6vf)

953 952 All I have to do to refute all of your BS carbon crap is:

"Medieval Warming Period"

And seriously, the fact that you posted this:
"You can prove to yourself carbon dioxide will warm the atmosphere - BY GOING INTO A GREENHOUSE. That is why it is called a greenhouse gas."

Posted by: sdavis at November 13, 2012 08:43 PM (njVMI)

954 Well, put it this way...

You did not refute the science, just came up with an example of LOCAL (ie europe wide) climate change. Guess what, it got cooler in other places, like Africa!

I could explain long term barometric pressures, Or the cyclic nature of oceanic currents which had negative feedback to enforce this period of warming, but I guess, too complex a picture than god did it, will not suffice.

Posted by: KM at November 14, 2012 01:34 AM (8I6vf)

955 Must review posts before posting....

Otherwise, THE GLOBAL TEMPERATE DID NOT CHANGE WITH THE LOCALIZED WARMING EFFECTS.

Posted by: KM at November 14, 2012 01:36 AM (8I6vf)






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