About Those "Massive Vote Fraud" Allegations

There are lots of rumors of >100% of registered voters turning out in precincts all over the country. I haven't looked into all of them, but I suspect most are as ridiculous as the one concerning St. Lucie County, Florida (Allen West's district).


Ummm, no. As the Shark Tank explains,

Reports that there is over-voting in St. Lucie county is speculative. The candidates and amendments took up two voter cards, so some voters just voted on one card and not the other, some voted on both and turned them in, which accounts for the fact that there were more voter cards turned in than actual registered voters.

So the potential "vote" (as it's being calculated in the 141% Internet rumor) is up to 200%. Anything above that, and we have a problem.

This isn't to imply that vote fraud doesn't exist. It does.

But we didn't lose on Tuesday because of it.

[Update] We lost because we allowed our opponents to define us, didn't get our message out and ultimately didn't turn out our voters.

Could the fraud vote have turned the election at the margins? No one will ever know.

But in this economy, the election should have been a blowout - beyond the reach of fraud. To whatever extent there was of it, vote fraud doesn't explain the complete strategic and tactical failure we saw on Tuesday.

Posted by: Andy at 11:20 AM



Comments

1
We lost because we did not GOTV

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 11, 2012 11:24 AM (R8hU8)

2 We lost because unlikely voters favor Dems 2-1. And unlikely voters vote now and they will with increasing numbers.

It is over.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 11:26 AM (1crPI)

3 we lost because we are not the party of free stuff. so to elect a President, the Republicans will have to give away more than the Dems.

that, ladies and gentlemen, is the state of our nation.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at November 11, 2012 11:27 AM (HNwOT)

4 Philly had several 99% turnout for Obama.

Odd how the most poor, most Democrat precincts demonstrably had no problem with the Voter ID requirements.

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btw - I had to produce ID to vote in my suburban Philly precinct.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 11, 2012 11:27 AM (RuUvx)

5 the turnout was highest in those precincts where the GOP election observers were kicked out.

illegally.

but, hey.

Obama.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 11, 2012 11:29 AM (RuUvx)

6 No, it is NOT over sourpuss (Durka). 330,000 votes total in 4 swing states determined the outcome. A narrow margin that we could have overcome. Several factors combined led to the loss (GOTV, Sandy, early negative ads by BO, fraud on the margins). I posted this 2 threads down and will re-state:

Republican governors, before they get replaced, should accomplish 1) voter i.d. laws, 2) re-apportioning electoral votes so that cities don't have a monopoly on picking the president, and 3) replacing computerized voting machines with paper. (San Diego County still uses the old "fill in the bubble with the black marker" technology.)

Currently there are Rep governors in Fla, Ohio, Penn, Wisc., VA, TX......

Posted by: TD at November 11, 2012 11:31 AM (+uFux)

7 Bull Fucking Shit Andy.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:31 AM (I2LwF)

8 What percentage of the total populace voted in 1800 in the election between Jefferson and Adams?

Hint: it's a lot less than now.

Unlikely voters voting is the problem. It always would have been. It's just that technology has allowed these idiots to vote and their vote counts as much as anyone else's.

There is a battle between free-stuff and free-dom. Freedom lost. It would have a long time ago, it's just that the free-stuff crowd was too stupid to figure out how to vote.

Now that you can vote from a dem operative's iPad via email it is over.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 11:32 AM (1crPI)

9 -
Liberté, égalité, We'resooofuckedité

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 11, 2012 11:32 AM (RuUvx)

10 If you don't believe vote fraud stole this, I do have better evidence than the obviously least-credible source you've cherry picked to tell us to sit down and shut up.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:32 AM (I2LwF)

11 About 3-10 million otherwise reliable R voters are holding their collective breath, hoping we don't notice them.

It was the dirty filthy Mexicans what did it!! They voted twice! Three times even!!!

Who did I vote for? Err, well, I had to wash my hair that day.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2012 11:34 AM (BeSEI)

12 And if you didn't studiously ignore every email I send you, I would consider sending you a dossier of much more credible vote fraud information, including here in MA.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:34 AM (I2LwF)

13 Good thing West is fighting on. Will St. Lucie county recount explain
why Romney got less votes than McCain running against "most historic
candidate in history of history " with "Bush!111!" and econ meltdown still rather fresh in everyone's mind ?

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2012 11:34 AM (WR5xI)

14 Let's see if Nate Silver is available to determine which precincts had statistically significant over-performance against expectations.

We could then sabermetric the shit out of the election for the next three years.

I hear Nate's pretty good with numbers.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 11, 2012 11:34 AM (RuUvx)

15 I question the timing...of this post.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 11, 2012 11:35 AM (YMqWj)

16 Was there vote fraud- of course...historically there always is.
Doesn't change the fact that it should have been a pimple on an elephant in terms of the outcome.
This election should have been a blowout...I'm more distressed about what that tells us about the voters.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 11, 2012 11:35 AM (KUsrD)

17
Thanks Andy.

This loss was a body blow to the right, but notice that we are not histrionic nutbags engaging in Obama-derangement-syndrome like the left had (has?) BDS.

Posted by: Jade Sea at November 11, 2012 11:35 AM (To3jj)

18 That's the most frustrating thing, Andy. We're both members of republican town committees in republican towns in the same congressional district. We should be working together.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:36 AM (I2LwF)

19 Truman North, what is the campaign doing about it?

Posted by: TD at November 11, 2012 11:36 AM (+uFux)

20 Shit just got real in the Middle East: Israel fired back on Syria:

http://tinyurl.com/ba5on4w


Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 11, 2012 11:37 AM (53riN)

21 For some the idea of a real loss is too hard to cope with. So...FRAUD! Fraud exists, but is not the reason we are losing the country. We need the ground game, the passion, the influence in education from K-university, the media and the willingness to get dirty that the Progressive Left has. The problem is, they have Politics as their religion, so the passion comes easily. We have God, our families, our businesses and our hobbies as our passions. We want government to be insignificant as possible in our lives, so by default we don't make it a big part of our focus.

Posted by: MostlyRight at November 11, 2012 11:38 AM (ZG8Ti)

22 19 Truman North, what is the campaign doing about it?
Posted by: TD at November 11, 2012 11:36 AM (+uFux)


I don't know any more than you do, which is this: conceding early and going away.

Fucking Romney, I'm a mad at him as anyone. We should be litigating the fuck out of this.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:38 AM (I2LwF)

23 We didnt lose because of overcounting Dems we lost because of undercounting Reps using tabulation hack software.

There are 16 million missing white voters from this election.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 11, 2012 11:38 AM (hlUJY)

24 Posted by: TD at November 11, 2012 11:31 AM (+uFux)

It is definitely over. I'm not a sourpuss, you are just not facing facts. Unlikely voters favor Dems 2-1 and have forever. Now they vote. They will be a larger portion of the electorate in every subsequent election due to technology.

The closeness of the most recent election is immaterial. This tipping point with the electorate was bound to happen eventually.

One party rule is here to stay. No amount of "fighting" can change the fact that unlikely voters are 70-30 in favor of Dems. There are millions upon millions of them and they will be more likely to vote in every election.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 11:39 AM (1crPI)

25 fwiw - a friend who's part of the "You're racist - there's no such thing as voter fraud" based on the near lack of Federal convictions" crowd was pretty upset when I told her that, based on that standard, her Rape statistics could no longer include "unreported" or any rapes which did not result in a conviction.

Democratic Slogan:
Rape, it's a lot less common than is popularly thought.
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 11, 2012 11:39 AM (RuUvx)

26
So let's ignore the voter fraud, it's part of the problem, pretending it doesn't exist or hurt our efforts is just silly.
This is so frustrating it's our right to expect a fair election, I don't give a shit if it's 300 votes or 3 million votes. It happens all the time, why is it so easily brushed aside. I'm sick of our side not fighting this.

Posted by: spypeach at November 11, 2012 11:41 AM (pwTow)

27
And I do believe that the Dems engage in the Civil rights violation of vote fraud. I'm quite sure they do.

But my life is worth too much to make it about nothing more than obsession over TFG, the SCOAMF.

Again "Do not put your trust in princes, in a men who cannot save. When their spirit departs, they return to the ground and on that day their plans come to nothing." Psalm 146

We are putting our trust in God.

Be safe, fellow morons, I'm so glad you're here.

Posted by: Jade Sea at November 11, 2012 11:41 AM (To3jj)

28 Fuck you Barry. He's turning the Veterans Day speech into a pep rally for himself

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 11, 2012 11:41 AM (Yhu4q)

29 We must institute Voter I.D. to stop the GOP voter-fraud takeover in 2014!!!

Posted by: ChampionCapua in the Briar Patch at November 11, 2012 11:42 AM (KZi9D)

30 if it were fraud i might be relieved somewhat.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 11, 2012 11:42 AM (/Fla/)

31 You can not out promise the Democratic Party. The fact that Obama has no intentions of honoring any of his promises does not seem to matter. When Obama's taxes jump through the roof, I wonder if any of the brain dead will wake up.

Posted by: burt at November 11, 2012 11:42 AM (8kEad)

32

"But we didn't lose on Tuesday because of it."

Posted by: Andy at 11:20 AM
This is a statement based on no facts.

It is possible that Obama won because of fraud. Is it probable? I have no idea, and nobody else does, except for those involved in the fraud.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2012 11:43 AM (GsoHv)

33 This election should have been a blowout...I'm more distressed about what that tells us about the voters.
Posted by: jjshaka at November 11, 2012 11:35 AM (KUsrD)


Indeed. The problem is not the populace (the populace has always been for free stuff over freedom) it's just that the populace votes now.

I really doubt that the Founding Fathers ever thought we'd see "turnout" like it is today. Had they known that all these idiots would be voting one day they wouldn't have even tried.

It's all done.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 11:43 AM (1crPI)

34 #4

Im hoping the GOP has learned its lesson from the Obamacare debacle. We have to get a seat at the table because relying on the next election(s) to overturn wretched laws is clearly not the best idea. Read - Immigration Reform. We all know its coming and probably sooner than we think. So here's an idea. Immigration reform (aka amnesty) for Lord Obama but only with a federally enforced voter ID law throughout the country.

Posted by: Jaydee at November 11, 2012 11:44 AM (E5DLT)

35 This isn't to imply that vote fraud doesn't exist. It does.
But we didn't lose on Tuesday because of it.

Yeah, it's just a coincidence that R turnout was way down despite the huge crowds at the rallies, and the D turnout was >100% in many polling places. It couldn't happen here. No way. Right?

I mean, that would be like the President lying about.... oh, wait.

Posted by: sherlock at November 11, 2012 11:44 AM (f29LO)

36 let it burn. hell just start burning. its good for tangled forests, ought to work well for this case too

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 11, 2012 11:45 AM (/Fla/)

37 It's looking likely that it was fraud IMO. The anecdotally historical turnout does not mesh with the historically low vote totals.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:45 AM (I2LwF)

38 While we have those 30 governorships, we need to implement strict voter ID laws. This has to be job #1 in the next 2 years.

I served as a judge of election on Tuesdayin a blue precinct, in a blue county, in a blue blue blue state - Illinois.

Many voters came into the polling place holding their drivers' license, or their voter's id card, or sometimes both. They were upset that we did not require those items in order to give them a ballot.

Even blue state voters want their votes to count, honestly and properly. It's only their evil overlords who want to steal votes.

Voter ID laws need to get implemented now. Do it now!!!



Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 11:45 AM (neKzn)

39 No going back.

Think like a Dem. How would you set things up for future election victories?

Think Obamacare. How was that made law?

Just because YOU are a pussy, does not mean your opponent is.

Posted by: nip at November 11, 2012 11:46 AM (11Tdq)

40 It's a framing issue. "Voter I.D." is too demagogicable...brings to mind Big Brother, etc.

We need to frame it as the "One Person, One Vote" law. Don't let anyone take away your sacred right to vote.

Tennessee has I.D. requirement. GOP added six state senators and six state congressmen. Super-majority proof State House, Dems need not even show up for votes.

Posted by: ChampionCapua in the Briar Patch at November 11, 2012 11:47 AM (KZi9D)

41 We lost because we didn't nominate a closer. We can argue about why he wasn't a closer, but results speak pretty damned loud.

Put that coffee down, Romney.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 11, 2012 11:48 AM (wYVte)

42 37 It's looking likely that it was fraud IMO. The anecdotally historical turnout does not mesh with the historically low vote totals.
Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:45 AM (I2LwF)

They're still counting votes. Turnout was up for the republicans. Lots of early votes and absentee haven't been figured in to the totals yet.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 11:48 AM (1crPI)

43 im sure the soviets had voter id to track who you voted for so we'll probly get that passed soon. wont matter.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 11, 2012 11:49 AM (/Fla/)

44 "God bless our government"????

Never heard that before.

Is "God Bless the King" next?

Posted by: Fox2! at November 11, 2012 11:49 AM (1Qpmy)

45 Collin Powell endorsement and ads... That hurt as much as we would like to think it didn't and Ron Paul would not endorse Romney. Paulbots stayed home, or worse voted obama. Chris Chrisities bizarre love fest with obama.Some fraud, and lower turnout, and the MEDIA...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 11:49 AM (9+ccr)

46 Gosh, thanks Andy, for parroting the head-in-the-sand attitude of the GOP leadership that allows the Dems to continue doing this every election and getting away with it. Way to go! Looking to land a consulting job with some willfully blind candidate next time around?

Yes, I'm being dismissive of your bullshit post. Just like you were dismissive of everyone with concerns about fraud in your post. Jeez, what a waste of time this place is sometimes.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 11, 2012 11:50 AM (qEkGZ)

47 It doesn't have to be massive, just efficiently targeted in a close election.

It doesn't have to be all our fault just partly.

The Dhims are encouraged to cheat by the fucking GOP shitdicks that just take it in the ass over and over.

This election was far closer than it should have been for a number of reasons.

You can't just bypass the fraud issue cuz it's sticky.

It may have been critical. Not necessarily massive but critical.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 11, 2012 11:50 AM (aZ6ew)

48 Truman, someone posted this here the day after the election. It's still
up on the city of Boston's website. Their turnout % seem a
little odd, unless I'm just reading it wrong.


http://tinyurl.com/ba8soaz


(click on the 'ward and precinct results' pdf link)

Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 11:51 AM (X6akg)

49 They're still counting votes. Turnout was up for the republicans. Lots of early votes and absentee haven't been figured in to the totals yet.


And since Romney already conceded, they are irrelevant.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:51 AM (I2LwF)

50 Barone is showing some numbers that suggest the "Kill Romney" carpet bomb of ads in swing states was highly effective.

I don't know what you do about that. Should Mitt have been running ads to contradict those? Maybe it was bad luck for an election in the wake of a financial collapse that our nominee happened to make his fortune in finance.

BTW, I saw on HuffPo that Bain's latest investment report contains a letter to investors that they are weathering the election campaign ok. I don't give a shit, since for the most part they are Obama supporters. They voted for the guy who slimed their company. Asshole suckers. I hope they lose money. I hope everyone who supported the One gets what they voted for.



Posted by: stace at November 11, 2012 11:51 AM (m+UHL)

51 Hell Obama stooges had 4 years to set this up. The shit they pulled in 08 was ignored, why not rig this one? And all future ones for that matter.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 11, 2012 11:53 AM (9Jf3N)

52 >>>>We lost because we didn't nominate a closer. We can argue about why he wasn't a closer, but results speak pretty damned loud.<<<<<<

Bingo!

Captain Competence the Technocrat screwed the pooch.

The ORCA fiasco is damning.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 11, 2012 11:53 AM (BF5Y9)

53 Oh, and even if there were massive fraud, it will never come out. obama is president for the next 4 years no matter how much I wish it weren't so. He is not going to be impeached. He isn't going to be ruled unqualified because he isn't a citizen like some hope... End of story....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 11:54 AM (9+ccr)

54 Thanks for that, Tami. I have it and I've printed it out and marked it up. But Andy's attitude is prevalent among the MA GOP. Nobody's gonna do nothin' about it.

That's why I'm starting even more locally and I'm going to fight fire with fire in every way I can think of.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:54 AM (I2LwF)

55 OK people..I'm f*cking freaking out a bit here...

We had to put our cat of over 20 years down a couple of months ago.

The wife's been out of town for two weeks and I am by myself. I was awoken last night by the sensation of the cat smacking me in the nose as she would do to wake me when she wanted to petting.

I passed it off as a dream.

But....I just went downstairs to the basement where we still keep her litter box. The day cat was put down, I dumped the box out and scrubbed it, then put fresh litter in it because the wife was talking about going out and looking for a new kitty right away. We never have gotten around to that though.

So, for the past two months or so, the box looked fresh and the floor around it was free of litter that would have been kicked out from use.

...but by Gawd, there are cat paw prints in the box and the litter had been moved around like it would after the cat would try to bury its crap, and there is litter on the floor around the box.

The basement is always sealed up tight so nothing can get in or out..and there is definitely nothing down there now.

I think I have a freakin' demon ghost kitty

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 11, 2012 11:54 AM (Yhu4q)

56 With an ineffective strategy, vulnerable candidate, entrenched incumbent your last line of defense is gotv effort.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2012 11:54 AM (WR5xI)

57 Truman, a concession speech has no bearing on electoral college.

Posted by: madamex at November 11, 2012 11:55 AM (1zsKV)

58 The Ron Paul non-endorsement of Romney was huge, even as much as morons like to mock Luap Nor.

On college campuses the libertarians are a legitimate voice, and make the small government/no more wars argument from the right.

Due to republican lack of brand maintenance, republicans are icky.

Every possible way that votes could leak out, the votes leaked out. If it's really 600,000 votes in those 5 swing states that swung the election, then it's doable and we need to get off the mat and plan our next round in 2014.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 11:55 AM (neKzn)

59 This picture explains so much...

http://tinyurl.com/bfaoukv

Posted by: sherlock at November 11, 2012 11:55 AM (f29LO)

60 I have talked to quite a few voters this week...my conclusion: We give the electorate a lot more credit than we should...while we do, the majority DO NOT UNDERSTAND the ramifications of Obama's policies. They have NEVER been taught and they RARELY, if ever hear it on the MFM. We have a ton of educmating to do...Romney needed to 'splain a lot more. Plus the Dems endless attacks sunk in...we brushed it off...the masses took it seriously...Romney hates poor people! Plus a good dose of I like FREE SHIT!!!

Posted by: rukiddingme? at November 11, 2012 11:55 AM (MbeEN)

61 Sorry, Andy. I call bullshit.

I suppose this is the "official" view, and those of us who disagree are to henceforth be considered as "birfers" or worse. Next will come the parade of eunuchs, with Ed Morrissey right up front, telling us to keep our chins up, always look at the crosstabs, and cheer him on as he sits in Blogger's Row at the next "conservative" Kool-Ade-and-video-game party.

I ain't buyin' it. Not for a damn second.

One thing the Democrats have is eager-beavers who will start a ruckus at the first sign or suspicion of Republican "dirty tricks" (like complaining when a voting machine counted their Romney vote as a vote for Choom Boy. Let them see (or sense) the slightest sign that things aren't going their way and they haul ass to a judge, harangue the media, and scream like gut-shot loons.

Pro Tip: That works.

Need I remind you that we saw plenty of indications? The polling-place worker in an Obama hat, the posters of President Historic First© on the walls of voting places? Those are violations of the law, in case you don't know.

To assume that the Obama thugs will violate some laws and not others verges on insanity. You cannot judge the enemy on the basis that he will be as law-abiding as you are.

But that is what we do. Every friggin' time.

I'm not surprised to see the Cave-in Cascade starting. Makes me sad, though. And it paves the way for more lawlessness and thuggish activity in the future.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 11, 2012 11:55 AM (yKUrR)

62 Take Fla for instance. According to Dave in Fla Romney outperformed McCain in all counties but Dade, where there was a 70k vote swing to O from 2008. Curious isn't it? Romney lost Fla by 74k votes.

Targeted fraud in city centers can swing swing states.

Posted by: TD at November 11, 2012 11:56 AM (+uFux)

63
I have no idea, I was on this for a little bit because of the shock of the election, looking for something I guess. Clearly there are obvious places like Chicago and Philly. But anyway, I have made it through the however many stages of depression and have reached acceptance.


I think our nations has crossed over the 50% level to moocherville. I'll probably give up politics for a year or so. I don't have faith that things like F and F or Benghazi or potential voter fraud are ever going to be addressed.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2012 11:57 AM (PHb2k)

64 Texas' voter Id law was held up due to the Voting Rights act, section 5.

There's a suit in front of SCOTUS right now that may finally end up getting rid of the unconstitutional section 5.

If that works out right, that will be a big help to honest elections.

Posted by: stace at November 11, 2012 11:57 AM (m+UHL)

65 The biggest fraud in this election is / was the Media.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2012 11:57 AM (NUJQ4)

66
That's why I'm starting even more locally and I'm going to fight fire with fire in every way I can think of.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:54 AM (I2LwF)


Which is why I said 'no' to the real name thingy......

Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 11:57 AM (X6akg)

67
voter fraud is the new (not politically correct) for the GOP, we must not talk about it we must not say it, it makes us uncomfortable. Spit.

Posted by: spypeach at November 11, 2012 11:57 AM (pwTow)

68 Like I said in the thread below investigate your own voting area. Before looking it up, write down on a piece of paper what you would expect the turnout and voting percentages to be.

I was shocked. Here in SE Pa I expected close to 90% turnout. It was 75%.

I expected at minimum 60/40 for Romney. He got 54%.

I really, really think a lot of people stayed home. People who used to vote
Republican. Did the Obama strategy to repress republican turnout, through negative advertising, work?

Because if that's the reason, then the Democrats deserve one billion dollars of negative ads next presidential. Fight fire with fire.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 11, 2012 11:57 AM (feFL6)

69 -

Keep Calm
__ and __
Carry On.

_

Posted by: Ghost of Andrew Breitbart at November 11, 2012 11:58 AM (RuUvx)

70 I think I have a freakin' demon ghost kitty


Posted by: Albie Damned at November 11, 2012 11:54 AM (Yhu4q)


Ok, that is just a tad freaky.......

Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 11:58 AM (X6akg)

71 Repub gov need to gerrymander so cities don't centralize electoral college, weed it out like a pinwheel

Posted by: madamex at November 11, 2012 11:58 AM (1zsKV)

72 57 Truman, a concession speech has no bearing on electoral college.
Posted by: madamex at November 11, 2012 11:55 AM (1zsKV)


Leadership comes from the top. Romney threw in the towel. Why would anyone on his payroll continue to fight?

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:58 AM (I2LwF)

73 Republican governors, before they get replaced, should accomplish 1) voter i.d. laws, 2) re-apportioning electoral votes so that cities don't have a monopoly on picking the president, and 3) replacing computerized voting machines with paper. (San Diego County still uses the old "fill in the bubble with the black marker" technology.)

Currently there are Rep governors in Fla, Ohio, Penn, Wisc., VA, TX......


AMEN to that!

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 11, 2012 11:58 AM (sRIFP)

74 Look, the reason unlikely/unregistered people favor democrats is because the culture.

What is our pure, simple line that anyone can dream? Freedom.

All those millions of laws that you cannot know, but are held to? Freedom.


Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 11:58 AM (mHU03)

75 McCaskill won, Warren won, every Democrat Senate candidate won reelection. We lost because the American people have decided that forcing themsselves and their neighbors to buy health insurance is A-ok, increasing the deficity by 6 trillion and not even passing a budget is fucking great.

As long as Big Bird gets tax dollars, and abortions are not threatened, and everyone votes the against the guys the comedy shows on tv make fun of, then everything is fine.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 11, 2012 11:58 AM (++kZl)

76 no matter what we do, no matter who we nominate, until the MSM, NEA etc is gone we cant win.

everywhere the media sneaks in its propaganda, not just 6:30 PM.
you watch a movie -especialy a made for TV pos- theyll depict conservative white guys as evil. I remember the "shining Time Station" with good female "Stacey Jones" and bad white male "schemer".
or watch a beauty pagent with mostly conservative christian women in it and theyll ask gotcha questions about abortion or gay marriage.
Listen to talk radio or even FM music and at the top of the hour there is liberal propaganda on the news.
your local paper maybe conservative but they use AP propaganda.

we try to avoid the Diane Sawyers by watching Fox and listening to Rush et al, but the insidious MSM is even more powerful

Time to totally Galt out and give them none of our money thats left over after Boner caves.

Posted by: Avi at November 11, 2012 11:59 AM (40anC)

77 I really, really think a lot of people stayed home. People who used to vote
Republican. Did the Obama strategy to repress republican turnout, through negative advertising, work?

Maybe the LANDSLIDE talk kept them home, thought is was in the bag and then add the fraud.

Posted by: madamex at November 11, 2012 11:59 AM (1zsKV)

78 albie

our cat sam met the great beyond 4 yrs ago...and our orange dog this past jan. i would wake up at night to ghost sam walking across my feet it was comforting to know he was still hanging around....ghost dog just made her snoring sounds every once in a while......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 11, 2012 12:00 PM (Ho2rs)

79 We lost because we ran Romneycare against Obamacare.
We lost because we ran a RINO against a communist.
We lost because we did not run a conservative.
McCain got more votes than Romney!

So we find conservatives to run.

The CommieDems want my money? Good luck with that!

Posted by: Churchill, W. at November 11, 2012 12:01 PM (RXQ2T)

80 I'm feeling insulted by this post.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 12:01 PM (I2LwF)

81 McCaskill won, Warren won, every Democrat Senate candidate won reelection

Obama brought out his parasitical base. If this were an off year election, Brown and other Reps would have won.

Posted by: Avi at November 11, 2012 12:02 PM (40anC)

82 >>>>Maybe the LANDSLIDE talk kept them home, thought is was in the bag and then add the fraud.<<<<<

Too bad Romney didn't have some system in place to keep track of who was voting and contacting Republican voters to make sure they got to the polls.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 11, 2012 12:03 PM (BF5Y9)

83 75 McCaskill won.......

McCaskill won because the republican candidate demonstrated his complete ignorance of science and human biology.

He was a willing participant in the defeat of Romney on Tuesday. I have two (conservative) children in college right now. They were stunned at Akin's remarks, and that the national party did nothing about it. Their friends laughed at them when they tried to discuss the election, Akin made all of us a joke on college campuses.

The republican brand needs a reboot. There are libertarian minded young people and we need to make a play for them.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 12:03 PM (neKzn)

84 79 We lost because we ran Romneycare against Obamacare.
We lost because we ran a RINO against a communist.
We lost because we did not run a conservative.
McCain got more votes than Romney!

All the senate elections that we lost with more conservative candidates than Romney lost bigger than Romney.
maybe more conservative a candidate will excite the rep base more , but your fooling yourself if you think that in the changing demographics this will win.

Posted by: Avi at November 11, 2012 12:04 PM (40anC)

85 Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 12:01 PM (I2LwF)

I made this point above:

I have no idea whether there was sufficient fraud to change the results, but neither does Andy, and making the statement that it didn't happen is insulting to those who actually like facts to buttress statements like that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2012 12:05 PM (GsoHv)

86
It's one thing to think about leeching off the govt, but another for people to act contrary to their nature and self respect.

Posted by: Justamom at November 11, 2012 12:06 PM (Sptt8)

87 Boots:

that is why I am saying .. culture war. Liberty. Hit them where it hurts. Repeatedly.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:07 PM (mHU03)

88 About 3-10 million otherwise reliable R voters are holding their collective breath, hoping we don't notice them.

It was the dirty filthy Mexicans what did it!! They voted twice! Three times even!!!

Who did I vote for? Err, well, I had to wash my hair that day.
--------------------------------------------

Well, when you do your part to kick 60+ Democrats out of the House in 2010 and are then rewarded with two more years of trillion dollar deficits well...............

I voted BTW.

Posted by: Republican What"s The Point Coalition at November 11, 2012 12:08 PM (AzwZn)

89
McCaskill won because the republican candidate demonstrated his complete ignorance of science and human biology.

MANY socons believe the magic uterus bullshit and believe that ACOG is suppressing the (truth) about the magic uterus.

its amazing that the deems/msm create a narrative and those assholes fulfill it.

Posted by: Avi at November 11, 2012 12:08 PM (40anC)

90 The GOP (understandably) does not want to address vote fraud right after they lose. It looks self-serving and too "political" then. The time to address it is right after they win.
Think about it. Remember 2004, when Dems were claiming vote fraud gave Bush Ohio? That would have been an excellent, a PERFECT time for the GOP to address the issue. Call the Dems stupid bluff.
And Bush still had a GOP House and Senate.

Good God Almighty, the chances that were wasted by the "compassionate conservative" crowd!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2012 12:08 PM (C8mVl)

91 3M votes is only 60,000 per state. Very doable IMHO......

Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 12:08 PM (X6akg)

92 About 3-10 million otherwise reliable R voters are holding their collective breath, hoping we don't notice them.

most of those voters were in California , NY and NJ.

if they all showed up it WOULD HAVE MADE NO DIFFERENCE.

Posted by: Avi at November 11, 2012 12:09 PM (40anC)

93 Hey Andy, you're a di*ckhead. So all the other precincts had a'two card' problem. Right? So how does Obama get 99-104% of the votes in other areas. One card, two card, how the fuck does he get all the cards? If you didn't really look into it yet, don't conclude anything...dumbass. On a personal level, I was steered to a particular machine. I had to 'cast' three times before my machine would register Romney, here in Colorado. WI, CO, OH, PA, FL, VA, etc. It's everywhere. The final tally in FL is just over 74k for Obama, in Ohio it's just over 30k. Well within the range of fraud. How about you just wait awhile.St. Lucie county isn't the last word.

Posted by: Ed at November 11, 2012 12:09 PM (7U7hA)

94 I continue to believe that it doesn't matter why we lost. We lost. We won't win again, at least not in my lifetime.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 11, 2012 12:06 PM (IoNBC)

Uh...might wanna change your nic.....

Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 12:10 PM (X6akg)

95 About 3-10 million otherwise reliable R voters are holding their collective breath, hoping we don't notice them.

It was the dirty filthy Mexicans what did it!! They voted twice! Three times even!!!

Who did I vote for? Err, well, I had to wash my hair that day.
------------------------------------------

When you send 30 Tea Party congressmen to the House in 2010 and the Republican establishment shits all over then well...............

Posted by: Republican What's The Point Coalition at November 11, 2012 12:10 PM (AzwZn)

96 Fuck you Barry. He's turning the Veterans Day speech into a pep rally for himself
Posted by: Albie Damned at November 11, 2012 11:41 AM (Yhu4q)Well, why not? When the trolls here kept insisting that the American people "didn't care about Benghazi", I didn't believe them. Now I see they were right. Americans will still stage these phony sentimental holidays where they mew "Thank you for your service", but I saw what worthless gas it all is when I saw how those two former SEALs where "thanked" for their service. As long as it's about nothing more than the populace flattering themselves about how sensitive and serious they are, fine. But the minute it interferes with shovelling donuts and fried chicken into their fat faces, they can't be bothered.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 11, 2012 12:11 PM (FkH4y)

97 i have a hard time believing that that same people who have to be told when their kids first day of school is, can't show up on time to work, can't hold down a job, don't show up for their court summons, don't pay their parking tickets, don't have insurance and spend their food stamps on booze....somehow voted...or were even registered to vote in the first place.....but that's just the racist cynic in me....which should be classified as a disability so where do i go to get my obama money? phone? healthcare?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 11, 2012 12:12 PM (Ho2rs)

98 >> I have no idea whether there was sufficient fraud to change the results,
but neither does Andy, and making the statement that it didn't happen
is insulting to those who actually like facts to buttress statements
like that.

Sorry, you misunderstand the point.

We lost because our message was poorly crafted. And because our messenger sucked. And because we let the Democrats and the media define us. And because we didn't turn out our voters.

We lost it in nearly every strategic and tactical way possible. Were fraudulent votes cast? You bet they were. Hell, we might have even gotten some of them on our side.

But we're Republicans. We have to win by greater than the margin of fraud. Remember, if it's not close, they can't cheat.

And this one shouldn't have been close, based on 4 years of the SCOAMF.

That's why we lost.

Posted by: Andy at November 11, 2012 12:13 PM (OZPoa)

99 About 3-10 million otherwise reliable R voters are holding their collective breath, hoping we don't notice them.

It was the dirty filthy Mexicans what did it!! They voted twice! Three times even!!!

Who did I vote for? Err, well, I had to wash my hair that day.
------------------------------------------

When the Republican speaker of the house refers to conservatives as "knuckle draggers" well..........

Posted by: Republican What's The Point Coalition at November 11, 2012 12:13 PM (AzwZn)

100 Do these states allow same-day registration?

Here in MN, we do. At my polling station (I'm head judge), we started with 2,600 registered voters. Had +500 same-day registration voters. And ended up with 2,500 voters.

Turnout of 96.2% or 80.6% (or 76.9%) depending on how a blog wants to report it.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 11, 2012 12:14 PM (X/+QT)

101 we are only fucked because there is no hill on which we are ready to die.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 11, 2012 12:14 PM (Ho2rs)

102 Yay!!!! 28 hour work week!!!!

Posted by: Euro trash wannabe at November 11, 2012 12:15 PM (BbVYw)

103 Let it burn

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn ally.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:16 PM (9+ccr)

104 Also, and I don't know if this was already pointed out, but some of those 100% participation precincts in Cleveland that went 100% for Obama supposedly only had a handful of voters (i've heard as low as 2). Don't know if that's 100 percent accurate, and don't know why you'd set up and staff a polling station for only 2 voters, but it is what it is. I think vote fraud among democrats is a big problem, but don't think it flipped the results. Unless there's proof of hiding republican votes, which I would believe because i think it would be less detectable.

Posted by: yinzer at November 11, 2012 12:16 PM (2GZPT)

105 We didn't lose because of fraud, we lost because the people chose to burn.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 11, 2012 12:16 PM (a0nis)

106 i have a hard time believing that that same people who have to be told when their kids first day of school is, can't show up on time to work, can't hold down a job, don't show up for their court summons, don't pay their parking tickets, don't have insurance and spend their food stamps on booze....somehow voted.
-----------------------------------------

I also have a hard time believing that Obama EXCEEDED the black vote from 2008.

I also have a hard time believing that Obama turned out young voters in the SAME NUMBERS as 2008.

Posted by: Republican What's The Point Coalition at November 11, 2012 12:17 PM (AzwZn)

107 Top election official in each state is the Sec of State. Ohio, Florida, Colorado, and Va all have GOP SOS's.

Wher ethe hell is the SOS in Florida right now for Allen West?

Franken stole the 2008 Minn Senate due to a marxist SOS in the recount

WTF???

Posted by: Jack J at November 11, 2012 12:18 PM (ZRNC9)

108 I had never heard about the "magic uterus" belief before Akin brought it to the national stage.

College educated voters, and voters currently in college, found this hilarious and voted accordingly. The republican brand needs to come up with a rebranding that respects life and rejects scientific illiteracy.

I understand the desire to have your belief system rule your life, and that a belief system is all you need, if you believe with every fiber of your being.

Remember, Steve Jobs thought that he could use the power of his belief system to defeat cancer. Which was why he didn't seek conventional treatment until it was too late.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 12:19 PM (neKzn)

109 If Boehner caves in the lame duck, he will not be the Speaker in January when the roll call vote comes up

Posted by: Jack J at November 11, 2012 12:19 PM (ZRNC9)

110 91--- "MANY socons believe the magic uterus bullshit and believe that ACOG is suppressing the (truth) about the magic uterus. "
Posted by: Avi at November 11, 2012 12:08 PM (40anC)

MANY? I've been involved in the pro-life movement for 30+ years and never even heard of this "magic uterus" theory until Akin's remarks.
Maybe this is some regional, Midwestern thing. Or maybe you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2012 12:20 PM (C8mVl)

111 Do you know I'm still seeing these stupid Pro food stamp commercials here in MD. I think they're calling it nokidhungry or something. Sheesh!

Posted by: spypeach at November 11, 2012 12:20 PM (pwTow)

112 113
If Boehner caves in the lame duck, he will not be the Speaker in January when the roll call vote comes up


Posted by: Jack J at November 11, 2012 12:19 PM (ZRNC9)

Yes he will. We'll never get rid of him, just like McConnell. Good old boys and all...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:20 PM (9+ccr)

113 I also have a hard time believing that Obama EXCEEDED the black vote from 2008.

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He didn't. Actually, among blacks he was down 2% from the tallies I've seen. Blacks voting overall was 13%....same as 2008.



http://tinyurl.com/bj4atlf

Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 12:21 PM (X6akg)

114 >>>>>we are only fucked because there is no hill on which we are ready to die.....<<<<<

TARP and the CRA. The utter failure to tie the TARP funds to a repeal/reform of the CRA when the credit crunch hit is still fucking us. By refusing to have that fight at all the notion that the economic collapse was all Bush and the Republican's fault was allowed to imprint itself on the public consciousness and we will be paying for that for the next hundred years.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 11, 2012 12:21 PM (BF5Y9)

115 This election should have been a blowout...I'm more distressed about what that tells us about the voters.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 11, 2012 11:35 AM (KUsrD)


This.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 11, 2012 12:21 PM (ziqlu)

116 Posted by: Andy at November 11, 2012 12:13 PM (OZPoa)

And I am sorry you misunderstood my comment.

All of your criticisms of the Romney campaign, the Republican party, and yes, the Republican base, are valid.

But you made a statement that fraud was not responsible for the loss. You simply cannot know that.

My anecdotal evidence suggests that there are great discrepancies between expected turnout and actual turnout of the Republican vote.

Your anecdotal evidence suggests that there was insufficient fraud to change the result.

Who is correct?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2012 12:21 PM (GsoHv)

117 We lost because we got outsmarted and out hustled. Both of those are fixable. After some heads roll.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 11, 2012 12:21 PM (6H6FZ)

118 But, obama is sooooo cooool..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:22 PM (9+ccr)

119 All you guys screaming about going Galt: are you going to abandon all those people that stood in line for Chic-fil-A?

Look, it's the message. Is there a simple message that you can start a conversation with that isn't grumpy? This is what we need .. that is what being the party looking to the future is about.

This can be done, I wouldn't say you shouldn't prepare, but really guys, FIGHT.


FIGHT!

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:22 PM (mHU03)

120 Boots, ever boned a chick who was less than enthused?

Magic.

Posted by: nip at November 11, 2012 12:23 PM (11Tdq)

121 My 2 cents is that these elections are too dependent on uninformed voters. The people who are swayed by commercials. Every moron here had made up their minds months ago. The squishie 20% might as well flip a coin. It's amazing how much money has to be spent trying to influence people who are too lazy to find out the facts available on the internet. The hard core lib believes their dogma, but the 20% goes with the wind. Whoever scares them the most.

Posted by: Paladin at November 11, 2012 12:24 PM (gO/Tg)

122
FIGHT!


Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:22 PM (mHU03)

Not now. Now I'm so damned pissed I need to keep my anger so as not to explode.Right now I say let it burn. They wanted it they got it. In the future I may change my mind, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:25 PM (9+ccr)

123 7
Bull Fucking Shit Andy.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 11:31 AM (I2LwF)

Pretty much this.

Posted by: Unclefacts, now with even more summoning power. at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM (6IReR)

124 Yes! Yes! Voter fraud, those rotten Mexicans, those blacks on welfare, blahbity fucking blah!

Anything to distract from the fact that America thoroughly rejected your vision and your outdated, backwards ideology on Tuesday. AGAIN.

So, yes, let it burn. Kindly check yourselves out of society so the adults can finally make some meaningful progress /that just may even benefit you despite your temper tantrums/!

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM (U3OzJ)

125 As for Hollywood;

Make them all Wesley Snipes

Tax the shit out of them, they say they want it

Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 12:28 PM (wwsoB)

126 So, yes, let it burn. Kindly check yourselves out of
society so the adults can finally make some meaningful progress /that
just may even benefit you despite your temper tantrums/!

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM (U3OzJ)

STFU...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:28 PM (9+ccr)

127
Maybe this is some regional, Midwestern thing. Or maybe you don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2012 12:20 PM (C8mVl)

Many of that asshole Akins supporters have argued it was true and cited articles By those duochebags Wilkie and Mecklenberg spouting that ideology and also cite a study from China about rats under CHRONIC stress becoming anovulatory.
I had never heard of this Akin idiocy until Rush confirmed that there was a segment of Lifers who promote it and also I saw many of Akins toothless supporters defend the concept on the web.
so maybe you don't know what your talking about, and aren't you happy that Akin has now helped permanently enshrined RvW as the law of the land.

Posted by: Avi at November 11, 2012 12:28 PM (40anC)

128 This election should have been a blowout...I'm more distressed about what that tells us about the voters.
---------------------------------

It's a kick in the gut I have yet to recover from.

Not sure most people are realize the larger message here. I know most people here do.

Posted by: Republican What's The Point Coalition at November 11, 2012 12:28 PM (AzwZn)

129 So, yes, let it burn. Kindly check yourselves out of
society so the adults can finally make some meaningful progress /that
just may even benefit you despite your temper tantrums/!

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM (U3OzJ)


Here's a phrase you might want to become familiar with over the coming months,
OWN IT BITCHES.

Posted by: Unclefacts, now with even more summoning power. at November 11, 2012 12:28 PM (6IReR)

130 truth:

Do you enjoy lying to the face of blacks?

How does it make you feel?

Do you like it?

Do you like being evil?

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:29 PM (mHU03)

131 FIGHT!
Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:22 PM (mHU03)
How, at the polls??? Those days are over. We had a perfect storm this election. A shitty incumbent with an abysmal record when it came to...pretty much everything! A decent candidate / VP candidate who ran a pretty good campaign. And a fired up voter base (we thought) and huge independent support (again, we thought). And we failed, and failed miserably.
"Let it Burn" is a tactic just like anything else. It isn't "giving up" on anyone or anything. It's letting us get to rock bottom so we can rebuild. Because that's where we're headed, it's just a matter of how fast we get there. The country has changed.

Posted by: yinzer at November 11, 2012 12:29 PM (2GZPT)

132 128
Yes! Yes! Voter fraud, those rotten Mexicans, those blacks on welfare, blahbity fucking blah!



Anything to distract from the fact that America thoroughly rejected
your vision and your outdated, backwards ideology on Tuesday. AGAIN.



So, yes, let it burn. Kindly check yourselves out of society so the
adults can finally make some meaningful progress /that just may even
benefit you despite your temper tantrums/!

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM

You mad, bro?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 12:29 PM (wwsoB)

133
The most distressing part to me was I figured there would be so many "broken glass voters" that the end result of that not being the case threw me for a loop.

Coming to the conclusion that people just didn't care even if they disliked Romney was quite the wake up to the nation we have become.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2012 12:30 PM (PHb2k)

134
"meaningful progress"
Perhaps we can run some three trillion dollar deficits on our way to prosperity, Comrades. Forward! Bankrups solar companies individually will not build a green economy. How will we do it? Volume!

Posted by: Beagle at November 11, 2012 12:30 PM (sOtz/)

135 isnt it amazing that so many posters were praising Romney and his campaign just before election day.

Posted by: Avi at November 11, 2012 12:30 PM (40anC)

136 We lost because our message was poorly crafted. And because our messenger sucked. And because we let the Democrats and the media define us.

In summary, you believe what the MFM says about you. You're waiting for a message and messenger approved by the MFM, then you know you'll win.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 12:31 PM (FcR7P)

137 "Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM (U3OzJ)"

Okay retard. You and the 'adults' go wait in line for you check.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 11, 2012 12:31 PM (yi2fz)

138
It's gonna be a while before I can converse civily with anyone I know who supported the SCOAMTT.
Which won't be a problem since I've broken with most of them.
I remember in the seventies my mom saying that she would have to educate some people before she was able to argue with them. And, that the liberals were taking over our schools and institutions to warp and control.
So now that the norm for many people is warped institutions and dumbed down intellect, how could one even educate such a beast to argue with them?

Posted by: Justamom at November 11, 2012 12:31 PM (Sptt8)

139 >> But you made a statement that fraud was not responsible for the loss. You simply cannot know that.

Again, we have a communication problem here. Must be my fault. As I look back at it, I did leave it rather abrupt.

I'm not saying at all that in an election this close there's no mathematical way for the fraud vote to have put Obama over the top. You're right, there's no way to know that in either direction.

What I'm saying is that our problems go way deeper than that.

Take one example: if each of Romney's Orca volunteers had beat the bushes to get 20 voters to the polls, we'd have won despite whatever fraud took place.

Posted by: Andy at November 11, 2012 12:31 PM (OZPoa)

140 128
Yes! Yes! Voter fraud, those rotten Mexicans, those blacks on welfare, blahbity fucking blah!



Anything to distract from the fact that America thoroughly rejected
your vision and your outdated, backwards ideology on Tuesday. AGAIN.



So, yes, let it burn. Kindly check yourselves out of society so the
adults can finally make some meaningful progress /that just may even
benefit you despite your temper tantrums/!

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM

Children are dependent on others. Adults provide for themselves and their children

Sounds like someone is a little concerned that the gravy train might not be loaded up with enough free shit for him

Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 12:32 PM (wwsoB)

141 By the way, last night I drove around my neighborhood, picking up all the Romney/Ryan signs that were still on public property around town.

It made me sad, all that hope and enthusiasm that we could finally put the last 4 years behind us and get the country moving in a better direction, gone.

But we have to use all the ideas we've been generating here the last few days, and get busy. Did the dems give up in 1988, after they lost 3 elections in a row? No, they got busy and started winning in 1992.

The difference in this election could end up as about 600,000 votes in just a couple of swing states. The popular vote totals across the country were very close. We owe it to the brave men and women who fought and died for this country, the men and women we honor today, to continue to fight.

Let it burn was a comforting thought on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, but my house could also go up in flames. And so could yours.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 12:32 PM (neKzn)

142 yinzer:

The problem is that the culture has been shifted left due people wargaming who the best candidate is.

Let it Burn won't help. We'll go straight to a dictatorship. I mean some of us might make it to land not controlled but him ( and it will be a him ).

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:32 PM (mHU03)

143 A president of the United States just ran a reelection campaign based on the promise of government largess, exploitation of class division, the demonization of success, the glorification of identity politics, and the presumption that women are a helpless interest group; and he did so while steadfastly refusing to acknowledge the looming — potentially fatal — crisis that the country faces. And it worked.

Charles Cooke, NRO





Posted by: Bout Says It All Doesn't It? at November 11, 2012 12:32 PM (AzwZn)

144 Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM



Math is hard.....and color blind....



Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 12:32 PM (X6akg)

145 About 3-10 million otherwise reliable R voters

Not very reliable then are they.

Posted by: DaveA at November 11, 2012 12:32 PM (MOWP1)

146 And to add insult to injury, the media is headlining that Biden might be the next president after obama. Why not. Sounds good to me... Yes I'm mad...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:33 PM (9+ccr)

147 But we didn't lose on Tuesday because of it.

Posted by: Andy at 11:20 AM

It bothers me that some seem so sure of this.

And the opposite view bothers me, too.

I remain skeptical and believe we shall never know the truth.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 12:33 PM (sRus3)

148 Boots: exactly. We aren't even attempting to sell what the liberals deny, in popular culture.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:33 PM (mHU03)

149 I wonder if Romney would be inspired to do a takeover of Fox News. We need a channel.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 12:34 PM (FcR7P)

150 So, yes, let it burn. Kindly check yourselves out of
society so the adults can finally make some meaningful progress /that
just may even benefit you despite your temper tantrums/!

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM (U3OzJ)



Progress. Look at California and Illinois for your progress cum guzzler. Adults? That's funny coming from a drooling tard who lives in his parents' basement and has never held a job in his life. And working a glory hole isn't a job dickweed.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2012 12:34 PM (XxXUI)

151 Anything to distract from the fact that America thoroughly rejected
your vision and your outdated, backwards ideology on Tuesday. AGAIN.
---------------------------------

Yes. A thorough rejection.

I am so looking forward to Speaker Pelosi again.

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:35 PM (AzwZn)

152 Now the dhims are calling for a jihad against Papa Johns.

Posted by: Butters at November 11, 2012 12:36 PM (NIZHJ)

153 102 ---"We lost because our message was poorly crafted. And because our messenger sucked. And because we let the Democrats and the media define us."
Posted by: Andy at November 11, 2012 12:13 PM (OZPoa)

The problem is the MSM. They define us. They decide what is news. They decide what is or is not a scandal.

A GOP candidate makes a stupid, repulsive remark and it is national news. A Dem does the same and it is, at most, a blip on the screen soon erased in the ADD world.

It's very hard to get around this.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2012 12:36 PM (C8mVl)

154 @120: +1

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 12:36 PM (I2LwF)

155 157
Now the dhims are calling for a jihad against Papa Johns.


Posted by: Butters at November 11, 2012 12:36 PM (NIZHJ)

I guess his business is going to see some big numbers!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:37 PM (9+ccr)

156 eman: Very Likely that we will never know the truth. The goal should not be fighting a retreat, but taking new land.

Voter ID and such, while good, is only the retreating defense. Cynicism rules the day, and the democrats like it this way. They should be hit there.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:37 PM (mHU03)

157 128
Yes! Yes! Voter fraud, those rotten Mexicans, those blacks on welfare, blahbity fucking blah!



Anything to distract from the fact that America thoroughly rejected
your vision and your outdated, backwards ideology on Tuesday. AGAIN.



So, yes, let it burn. Kindly check yourselves out of society so the
adults can finally make some meaningful progress /that just may even
benefit you despite your temper tantrums/!

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM

Yeh, that's really adult sounding of you.

Now go home and get your fuckin' shine box

Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 12:37 PM (wwsoB)

158 A GOP candidate makes a stupid, repulsive remark and it is national
news. A Dem does the same and it is, at most, a blip on the screen soon
erased in the ADD world.



It's very hard to get around this.

THIS

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:38 PM (9+ccr)

159
Donna @ 150:

And to add insult to injury, the media is headlining that Biden might be
the next president after obama. Why not. Sounds good to me... Yes I'm
mad...


Biden's borderline senile....so yeah, he's the perfect man to run on the dem ticket in 2016. Moochelle will make a great VP candidate too....she'll lock up the Furniture Upholster and Textile Manufacturer vote. I'm already hearing through the grapevine that she'll be wearing something made from the Barcalounger '17 collection. And if her ass gets any bigger, she'll be wearing all of the Barcalounger '17 collection.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 11, 2012 12:38 PM (L7hol)

160 I'm sure Democrats got a lot of votes from the dead, illegals, etc. But I really have a hard time believing it was enough to make such a difference. Had we won Iowa and WI let's say but lost Ohio by 2500 votes, yes I'd say fraud did it. But I have a hard time we lost 8/9 swing states by significant margins in many cases. That's outside the margin of fraud.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 12:38 PM (HDgX3)

161 We lost because the Moochers beat the Makers.
And Voter Fraud. Mostly.

Posted by: Iblis at November 11, 2012 12:38 PM (9221z)

162 >>>I think I have a freakin' demon ghost kitty

I wouldn't worry about it until it starts gnawing on your face. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: Fritz at November 11, 2012 12:38 PM (0yCoM)

163 Bottom line is, we lost because a bit more than half of the American electorate is dumb as fuck

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 11, 2012 12:38 PM (Yhu4q)

164 It's freedom vs free stuff and free stuff won. It was bound to happen eventually, as soon as free stuff started voting in large numbers.

You can kick and scream all you want, but the majority of the populace has always been for free stuff. It's just recently that these idiots started voting.

It's not that we just lost the country, we never had the country to begin with, we just had the votes. Now the country is voting the way they've always wanted.

It's all done. Over.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 12:38 PM (1crPI)

165 We lost because so many of "our" side sat on their fat, stupid asses and could not be bothered to vote. I thought Romney was great and I think he would have made a very good president. We all saw the turnout at the rallies and we all saw the money flowing to him. Very perplexing to me that he got 2 million fewer votes than that asshole McCain. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Peaches at November 11, 2012 12:39 PM (kpCLl)

166 Biden's borderline senile....so yeah, he's the
perfect man to run on the dem ticket in 2016. Moochelle will make a
great VP candidate too....she'll lock up the Furniture Upholster and
Textile Manufacturer vote. I'm already hearing through the grapevine
that she'll be wearing something made from the Barcalounger '17
collection. And if her ass gets any bigger, she'll be wearing all of the
Barcalounger '17 collection.


Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 11, 2012 12:38 PM (L7hol)

Thanks for making me laugh!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:39 PM (9+ccr)

167 Margarita @ 158 exactly. The thing is no candidate is ever perfect. The culture needs to either make it so that kind of BS is not tolerated from the media or something else.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:39 PM (mHU03)

168 #128: Here's the thing asshole, without us paying the taxes you can't get your Obamaphone.

Get it?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 12:39 PM (HDgX3)

169 >> I remain skeptical and believe we shall never know the truth.

Updated the post to clarify the previous abrupt ending.

Posted by: Andy at November 11, 2012 12:39 PM (OZPoa)

170 I hear Current TV is up for sale! And because it's AlGore's channel, it's already on the base level for cable subscriptions.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a conservative channel, not just a Fox News which has imbecile liberals on it for "Balance".

PJTV is on the internet with great opinion pieces. I think some rich republicans who want to make a difference should get together with the PJTV folks and make a play for it.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 12:40 PM (neKzn)

171 Now the dhims are calling for a jihad against Papa Johns.
-----------------------------------

One Twitter user called Papa John a "fascist bastard".

Oh what a fun 4 years we are going to have.

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:40 PM (AzwZn)

172 Durka:

Free stuff is nice, but people grown accustom to it, and it loses it's sheen.
Freedom grows stronger as there is less of it.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:41 PM (mHU03)

173 Come on truth, give us some of those grown up ideas of yours

Free birth control for 30 year old students? check

The grown up idea that the government can never be broke because it can always print more money? Got it


Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 12:41 PM (wwsoB)

174
One of the many reasons we lost was because the repub establishment said 'thanks for your votes tea party, now go away'.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2012 12:41 PM (PHb2k)

175 Seriously?

<<Reports that there is over-voting in St. Lucie county is speculative.
The candidates and amendments took up two voter cards, so some voters
just voted on one card and not the other, some voted on both and turned
them in, which accounts for the fact that there were more voter cards
turned in than actual registered voters.>>

This may be the most specious argument I've ever read. It's infantile logic! To claim there were two cards on a ballot and therefore the second card is being counted as a vote...seriously Sherlock?

I've got an alternate theory: they simply counted Presidential votes and found a 140% rate of voting.

I love this: they've found precisely similar voting irregularities in Ohio, Virginia, Florida and Pennsylvania and you want to write all that off "because...um...there's two cards."

Sheesh. They don't win just because they cheat. They win because we don't fight...and some of us actually go out of our way to rationalize their cheating and come up with an excuse not to fight.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 11, 2012 12:41 PM (XElIv)

176 176
Now the dhims are calling for a jihad against Papa Johns.

-----------------------------------



One Twitter user called Papa John a "fascist bastard".



Oh what a fun 4 years we are going to have.

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:40 PM (AzwZn)

There are plenty more companies that are following suit. Don't know if the slackers will be able to boycott all of them...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:41 PM (9+ccr)

177 Starve the beast. EBT can't deliver the goods. They need the working poor for that.

Posted by: Butters at November 11, 2012 12:42 PM (NIZHJ)

178 Take one example: if each of Romney's Orca volunteers had beat the bushes to get 20 voters to the polls, we'd have won despite whatever fraud took place.

God, Andy... Don't remind me. I'm going to throw up.

ORCA was the biggest con game run on America since Medicare.

I am so mad about that.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 12:42 PM (I2LwF)

179 If we want to fight the fraud, then the people in the precinct that voted overwhelmingly for Obama (the 99+% vote) have to file complaints or lawsuits against their election boards. If the precinct said only 4 people voted for Romney and you can find 10 people who voted for Romney, let the mayhem begin.
The media would negatively spin a Romney lawsuit, because he's not a Democrat. If the voters file lawsuits, it would be ignored until the shit hits the fan. And then when that happens, it will be too late to spin it for Obama.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theories Galore at November 11, 2012 12:42 PM (X7MMs)

180 If there was ever a time to abandon the Republican Party this is it.... It has shown that it is no real alternative to the Dems, and this is why Republican turnout was depressed when it should have been through the roof. I agreed that we should not have done it before but now with Obama in a second term, we really have nothing to lose. Read Andrew McCarthy http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333135/voters-who-stayed-home-andrew-c-mccarthy#

Posted by: Leigh at November 11, 2012 12:42 PM (Ea4KW)

181 #169:

What the Democrats did recently was figure out a way to get these people to vote. Technology now allows any 19 year old OWS/OFA volunteer with an iPad to know every Obamaphone owner's name and address. And they go door to door and get these people to vote.

How do you fight that?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 12:42 PM (HDgX3)

182 Remember, we did to "you didn't build that" what they did to "legitimate rape" (and every other dumbass thing GOP'ers spout).

And what we did worked. The Party of Stupid needs to learn how to repeat a winning battle.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 11, 2012 12:42 PM (X/+QT)

183 Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:27 PM (U3OzJ)

you are not an adult; try harder ochlocrat

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2012 12:43 PM (WR5xI)

184 170 We lost because so many of "our" side sat on their fat, stupid asses and could not be bothered to vote. I thought Romney was great and I think he would have made a very good president. We all saw the turnout at the rallies and we all saw the money flowing to him. Very perplexing to me that he got 2 million fewer votes than that asshole McCain. I just don't get it.
Posted by: Peaches at November 11, 2012 12:39 PM (kpCLl)


NOT TRUE.

We really should stop repeating this lie. Millions of votes have not been counted yet. They weren't counted by this time four years ago for McCain either. You are comparing total votes after months of counting in 2008 to Election Day votes 2012. Absentees, mail in, early votes in some places, lots to be counted.

Romney will have a higher vote total than McCain by next month.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 12:43 PM (1crPI)

185
Maybe the next cool thing will be to wear old clothes, make your own music and entertainment, grow food, sew, repair not replace, foster love of learning and liberty, love and obey God the father, take care of yourself and your own...

Or not.

Posted by: Justamom at November 11, 2012 12:44 PM (Sptt8)

186 Now the dhims are calling for a jihad against Papa Johns.

If Papa John's crappy pizza couldn't sink them, this won't either. Srsly, who even eats that shit?

Posted by: Peaches at November 11, 2012 12:44 PM (kpCLl)

187 Romney will have a higher vote total than McCain by next month.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 12:43 PM (1crPI)

That's what I heard too.

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:44 PM (9+ccr)

188 176

Now the dhims are calling for a jihad against Papa Johns.


-----------------------------------





One Twitter user called Papa John a "fascist bastard".





Oh what a fun 4 years we are going to have.



Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:40 PM (AzwZn)

There are plenty more companies that are following suit. Don't know if the slackers will be able to boycott all of them...


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:41 PM (9+ccr)



I like this guys idea. Call the bastids what they are!

Posted by: Iblis at November 11, 2012 12:44 PM (9221z)

189 <<Anything to distract from the fact that America thoroughly rejected

your vision and your outdated, backwards ideology on Tuesday. AGAIN.>>

Your idea of "thoroughly" and 49% don't exactly match up, Sparky.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 11, 2012 12:45 PM (XElIv)

190 Klownifornia voted themselves a tax hike and now have a supermajority of Dems, so under state law they have the numbers to raise taxes at will, and give out moar free shit

Anyone want to start a pool on when the rest of America has to bail out Greece on the Pacific?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 12:45 PM (wwsoB)

191 [Update] We lost because we allowed our opponents to define us, didn't get our message out......


================


I'm not sure there is a way to combat this....they own the media, all of it, lock, stock and barrel. They own the schools and they sing songs to the Dear Leader in them.



The only way I can think of to combat that involves burning.....

Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 12:45 PM (X6akg)

192 Whoops weak Web-Fu
http://tinyurl.com/azl5w9e

Posted by: Iblis at November 11, 2012 12:45 PM (9221z)

193 It's not that we just lost the country, we never had the country to begin with, we just had the votes. Now the country is voting the way they've always wanted.

It's all done. Over.
-----------------------------------

Yes.

America's social welfare and immigration policies have been leading us to demographic suicide for 60 years now.

It's here now.

Just because it happened a bit quicker than most suspected it would does not

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:45 PM (AzwZn)

194 113- Point taken, Avi, and I appreciate the info.
But you didn't say "many Akin supporters" or "a small, weird faction of pro-lifers." You said "MANY socons."
An ex parte fallacy, to say the least.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2012 12:45 PM (C8mVl)

195 This is what orca taught me:
Do it the old fashioned way.

Posted by: Truman North at November 11, 2012 12:46 PM (I2LwF)

196 I can't eat that $#!t either. Sam's Club has better pizza then Papa Johns.

Posted by: Butters at November 11, 2012 12:46 PM (NIZHJ)

197 Gee, the troll only hit once and left. I wonder if Assholerod is cutting back their pay now too

Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 12:46 PM (wwsoB)

198 "Meaningful progress" expanding the rolls of moochers and getting makers pay the tab. Keep that, it's a winner.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 11, 2012 12:46 PM (6H6FZ)

199 Romney will have a higher vote total than McCain by next month.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 12:43 PM (1crPI)
Okay, if that's true, then I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Peaches at November 11, 2012 12:46 PM (kpCLl)

200 'thanks for your votes tea party, now go away'.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2012 12:41 PM (PHb2k)

well if the Tea Party gives us Akins, Odonnels, Angels Bucks, and MoreDicks maybe it should go away.

Or reset as it originally was - a Perotista small government movement . Socon issues should have stayed out.

Posted by: avi at November 11, 2012 12:47 PM (40anC)

201
How do you fight that?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 12:42 PM (HDgX3)


You don't. That's why I'm saying it is over. It can't be fought. GOP has always been favored by likely voters, Dems have always been favored by unlikelies. You can't get likely voters to vote more. You can get unlikelies to vote much more. And they will with every subsequent election.

We are very truly fucked.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 12:47 PM (1crPI)

202 Bail out Greece with imaginary dollars. That should work. The dollar is now on the faith standard.

Posted by: Butters at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (NIZHJ)

203 It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a conservative channel, not just a Fox News which has imbecile liberals on it for "Balance".

Someone was yammering the other night about getting into news and just being neutral. What is neutral? How do you 'neutrally' report about Benghazi? I know what 'neutral' is, it's whatever doesn't send the MFM into conniptions.

I don't much care for news that doesn't offend the Left, except for sports and the weather.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (FcR7P)

204 So we lost 7 seats in the House? I haven't kept track...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (9+ccr)

205 "Yes. A thorough rejection.

I am so looking forward to Speaker Pelosi again."

It's only a matter of time before the people grow tired of Republican obstructionism that has impeded any sort of progress in our President's past couple of years in office. But even they see which way the wind is shifting: Speaker Boner is now open to Amnesty and rejecting the tea party, anti-latino, nativist (I repeat myself) platform.

So, if you don't like it, go ahead and stock up on them guns and canned goods and work on renovating your bunkers. Those of us who are sane will be laughing at you.

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (LqVsA)

206 I'm not sure there is a way to combat this....they
own the media, all of it, lock, stock and barrel. They own the schools
and they sing songs to the Dear Leader in them.



The only way I can think of to combat that involves burning.....


Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 12:45 PM (X6akg)

Mock them! Like the link I posted in 197. They can't take it. So we sink to their level. Who cares? Use simple concepts to define them.Can we post images in comments let's see
[___]http://tinyurl.com/azl5w9e[/___]

Posted by: Iblis at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (9221z)

207 Durka: the reason the Dems have been favored by unliklies is because they own culture. There is a lot to embarrass them in culture on.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (mHU03)

208 "Or reset as it originally was - a Perotista small government movement . Socon issues should have stayed out. "

This stupid myth keeps trotting out.

Fiscal conservatism is what doesn't sell. It's you guys.

Your fucking dream candidate got slaughtered.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 11, 2012 12:49 PM (yi2fz)

209 One Twitter user called Papa John a "fascist bastard".
--------------------------------------

Others railed against his 20,000 sq. ft. mansion and 6-car garage. They were also perplexed about a private golf course.


No mention of Tom Hank's 26,000 sq. ft. Pacific Palisades mansion though.

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:49 PM (AzwZn)

210 Seriously, if we want to make a difference, and not just hope that when it all burns to the ground that our homes are somehow protected by a magic
anti-fire bubble, we need to take over the republican party, and do it at the local local local level.

The Tea Party folks have started to do that in some areas, and we need to join them.

Starting yet another splinter group won't work. What is the libertarian party? A splinter group that siphons off votes and goes nowhere. Building a party is hard work. Easier to take over an existing party than to build from scratch.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 12:49 PM (neKzn)

211 This is what orca taught me:
Do it the old fashioned way.


How about this one: did no ORCA developer ever ask, "Hey, are cell phones even allowed?"

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 12:50 PM (FcR7P)

212 The only thing over is the election. Finish your grieving and get back up on your feet. When you're done crying, go sharpen something.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 11, 2012 12:51 PM (6H6FZ)

213 Bevel:

I don't think anyone can really claim that Romney was a 'fiscal dream candidate'

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:51 PM (mHU03)

214 Those of us who are sane will be laughing at you.



Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (LqVsA)


Until you run out of other people's money. It's only a matter of time.
Math.....look it up.

Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 12:51 PM (X6akg)

215 I'm not sure there is a way to combat this....they
own the media, all of it, lock, stock and barrel. They own the schools
and they sing songs to the Dear Leader in them.



The only way I can think of to combat that involves burning.....


Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 12:45 PM (X6akg)

Or we could have actually had effective advertising. Can't think of one effective Romney ad. He should have blitzkrieg tv spots but he didn't. Obama was on tv in ads all the time. MSM can't control the ads, should have gone that route, people were depressed he had no presence on the one thing everyone watches.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 11, 2012 12:52 PM (NzBQO)

216 "Romney will have a higher vote total than McCain by next month."

The real comparison should be Bush 2004 with Romney 2012. Bush got 62 million votes. Romney will get somewhere around 59 when all the votes are in. And 8 years later the population has grown about 5% which means Bush got about 65 million adjusted for population growth.

What happened to those 5-6 million people who voted for Bush but didn't vote for Romney?

Our people didn't turn out. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 12:52 PM (HDgX3)

217 So, if you don't like it, go ahead and stock up on them guns and canned goods and work on renovating your bunkers. Those of us who are sane will be laughing at you.
Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (LqVsA)
------------------------------------

Yes, "sane" is where you are leading us. Thank you.

I see it clearly now.

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:52 PM (AzwZn)

218 220: exactly.

AND we need to start pounding them NOW.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:53 PM (mHU03)

219 Those of us who are sane will be laughing at you.
Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (LqVsA)

Why do you give a fuck? The Dems will never lose another election. Unlikely voters favor Dems 2-1 and will vote more in every subsequent election. You will never lose again.

So I ask you, what the fuck are you doing here? You won. We get it. You will always win. It's over. You will have one party rule. Whatever Obama wants he will get. Whatever Pelosi wants she will get. It's over, we get it.

So again, what the fuck are you doing here, you miserable piece of shit?

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 12:53 PM (1crPI)

220 So, if you don't like it, go ahead and stock up on
them guns and canned goods and work on renovating your bunkers. Those of
us who are sane will be laughing at you.



Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM

Someone whose side has won and then come here to spew stereotypes and angry rants? Sounds sane to me. Just like your "reality based community"

When your local government is next in line in bankruptcy court, you might need those canned goods.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 12:54 PM (wwsoB)

221 Voter fraud? What a bunch of kool aid drinkers. Put down the bong, boys. You're starting to sound like paranoid Paul Bots.

We lost because of who we are. And we are not what the majority of people in this county want. Its bid Daddy government and nanny state programs.

But keep avoiding the elephant in the room.

Posted by: Bedlam at November 11, 2012 12:54 PM (8EPcY)

222 199 113- Point taken, Avi, and I appreciate the info.
But you didn't say "many Akin supporters" or "a small, weird faction of pro-lifers." You said "MANY socons."
An ex parte fallacy, to say the least.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at Nov
ember 11, 2012 12:45 PM (C8mVl)

Legitimate Lifer Groups have to expel Akin from their organizations and condemn the concept and anyone who promotes it , otherwise they'll just feed the MSM narrative.
oh and maybe only women should be spokespeople for Life.

Posted by: avi at November 11, 2012 12:54 PM (40anC)

223 we need to show that conservatism is the real way forward, and show how the progressives are the road to the failed past.

Every time they screw up.

Their failures need to seep through culture almost as much as what the real way forward is.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:55 PM (mHU03)

224 And they go door to door and get these people to vote.

How do you fight that?


It will get easier with fewer of us at work. However, there's no freaking way you can do day-of stuff right now. The polls open after a lot of people have to be at work, and they close pretty early if you have a late meeting and a commute.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 12:55 PM (FcR7P)

225 So, if you don't like it, go ahead and stock up on them guns and canned goods and work on renovating your bunkers. Those of us who are sane will be laughing at you.
Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (LqVsA)Watch that laughing; it takesmore energy than you can afford when you're trying to survive on 600 calories a day.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 11, 2012 12:55 PM (FkH4y)

226 I think the bread lines will cut in to voter turnout eventually.

Posted by: Butters at November 11, 2012 12:55 PM (NIZHJ)

227 I was in Ohio off and on this year, starting in about April. In Columbus.

The number of Barky ads was astonishing, on all sorts of programs.

Sports, news, entertainment. Everywhere. I kept thinking to myself, where are the republican ads? The super-pac ads?

Raise money and buy ads!!!!! Especially a campaign commercial from the campaign itself. Those ads cannot be censored, they have to run as is.

We can take the fight to them and do it with revenge in mind, but you have to show up on the digital battlefield and do something.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 12:55 PM (neKzn)

228 Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 12:49 PM (neKzn)

I totally agree. The current leadership is weak an ineffectual. Its not even challenging to get young voters or voters in blue states. The Moocher Party always has a 50 state plan. They try to compete in every state. The Stupid party only fights in red and swing states. That's a recipe for failure. The only Romney ads I saw in NY where when FOXNews ran them or online on Conservative sites. They should be on gamer sites, social media, music, and entertainment sites, because that's where most people go.

And from now on the Democrat Party Doesn't exist. They are the MOOCHER Party. That's OUR meme. Let's get it out there. No more libs, dems or socialists, just MOOCHERS.

Posted by: Iblis at November 11, 2012 12:56 PM (9221z)

229 Since it's less than a week since the disaster, I totally intend to vent my anger. It will probably take quite a while, but I will "survive." The Country? Not so much...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:56 PM (9+ccr)

230 What happened to those 5-6 million people who voted for Bush but didn't vote for Romney?

Most were in the bluest of states.
If 0ne million more Romney supporters showed up in California it wouldnt make a difference.

Posted by: avi at November 11, 2012 12:56 PM (40anC)

231 So, if you don't like it, go ahead and stock up on them guns and canned goods and work on renovating your bunkers. Those of us who are sane will be laughing at you.

You must not live in Rockaway or Stanten island. In the end, you will be the one getting shot trying to break into my home and steal my guns, aomm and canned goods.

Fuck you, back under the porch.

Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2012 12:57 PM (Vk6ZI)

232 Free stuff vs. Freedom. Free stuff always wins. New Hampshire now has changed its state motto to Live for Free Stuff or Dye.

Posted by: Fed Up. at November 11, 2012 12:57 PM (WnjLc)

233 Iblis: there needs to be a unified simple reason to not vote for them too.

Something simple that people can say "yeah, I will go vote for that"

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:57 PM (mHU03)

234 Voter fraud? What a bunch of kool aid drinkers. Put down the bong, boys. You're starting to sound like paranoid Paul Bots.

We lost because of who we are. And we are not what the majority of people in this county want. Its bid Daddy government and nanny state programs.

But keep avoiding the elephant in the room.
----------------------------------------

Don't forget about "more effective advertising" and a better "GOTV effort". Oh, and "taking over the Republican Party".

These are the solutions my friend.

I am with you Bedlam. Like I said, maybe people on our side are still too shell-shocked to see the big picture.

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:58 PM (AzwZn)

235 212 Durka: the reason the Dems have been favored by unliklies is because they own culture. There is a lot to embarrass them in culture on.
Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (mHU03)


Unlikely voters have always favored Dems because they promise free stuff. The culture hasn't changed. It's just the numbers are different. The technology is different. Idiots are voting in higher numbers now. The more they vote the worse it is for the GOP and the better it is for the Dems. It has always been thus, it was bound to happen eventually.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 12:58 PM (1crPI)

236 Freedom is only losing because no one is actually fighting for it.

Freedom, properly articulated is a very sharp sword.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:59 PM (mHU03)

237 >> God, Andy... Don't remind me. I'm going to throw up.



>> ORCA was the biggest con game run on America since Medicare.



>> I am so mad about that.

Yup. Did you participate? If so, have you sent your experience with it to John E.?

Also, check email.

Posted by: Andy at November 11, 2012 12:59 PM (OZPoa)

238 >>>>>>So, if you don't like it, go ahead and stock up on them guns and canned goods and work on renovating your bunkers<<<<<

I bet a lot of people in New York and New Jersey wish they were stocked up on canned goods, guns, and ammo.......

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 11, 2012 12:59 PM (BF5Y9)

239 Still waiting for all of the troll's "adult" ideas.

So far we've gotten playground insults

Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 01:00 PM (wwsoB)

240 The circuses have been canceled. Because circuses involve cruelty to animals, they get boycotted everywhere they go.

Circuses are joining typewriters in the museum of old and forgotten stuff.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 01:00 PM (neKzn)

241 One Twitter user called Papa John a "fascist bastard".

Oh what a fun 4 years we are going to have.
Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:40 PM (AzwZn)


I thought the apogee of stupid happened under Clinton.....

.....boy, the last decade sure came as a rude shock to me.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 11, 2012 01:01 PM (jW/AX)

242 Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 12:48 PM (LqVsA)

Free condoms make you this excited ? Amusing

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2012 01:01 PM (WR5xI)

243 Bread and reality tv.

Posted by: Butters at November 11, 2012 01:01 PM (NIZHJ)

244 "Let it Burn" is a tactic just like anything else.
It isn't "giving up" on anyone or anything. It's letting us get to rock
bottom so we can rebuild. Because that's where we're headed, it's just a
matter of how fast we get there. The country has changed.

Posted by: yinzer at November 11, 2012 12:29 PM


Well from a few repubs I talked to, its exactly why they didn't vote. They want the collapse, they want it soon, and they want it hung around obama's neck, where it belongs while he is still in office. They gave up after '08. This WAS their let it burn vote, or lack of.

Posted by: Berserker at November 11, 2012 01:02 PM (FMbng)

245
I am with you Bedlam. Like I said, maybe people on our side are still too shell-shocked to see the big picture.
Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 12:58 PM (AzwZn)


It's part of the five stages of grief. Acceptance is at the end. Lots of folks are still at the "bargaining" stage.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 01:02 PM (1crPI)

246 Still waiting for all of the troll's "adult" ideas.

Gimmee,gimmee,gimmee. Abortion,abortion,abortion. Amnesty,amnesty,amnesty. Global warming,global warming,global warming.Free,free,free...Tax the rich,tax the rich,tax the rich...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 01:03 PM (9+ccr)

247
I never thought of the tea party as so-con, I always thought of it has fi - con.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2012 01:03 PM (PHb2k)

248 We lost because the "freedom and prosperity" message doesn't resonate with people that take freedom for granted and think that prosperity can be taken from rich people.

Most people don't want actual freedom. Not for themselves, and not for you. Too messy. At best, they want a couple of nice, government approved options. DHS approved, TSA enforced, low sodium, carbon neutral and monitored by MQ-9 Reapers from the local Sheriff's department.

Most people don't want to work as hard as your average small business owner, either. Work weekends? Hone and adapt skills? Go where the work is? Live within their means? Why bother, because ... hedge fund managers! Just take their money, and America can afford to stay home and play PS3 all day. Easy peasy!

"Freedom is free, money is free, and all you have to do to get yours forever is vote Democrat." That's a hard sales pitch to beat among people whose brains doesn't automatically reject it as illogical. "Work hard, follow the rules, and claw your way up" doesn't quite sing as sweetly, dig?

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 11, 2012 01:04 PM (27tUc)

249 Durka: unlikely votes favor dems because the culture says they are the good people.

We know there is no free stuff. When they believe that they are trading freedom for free stuff, that is when you can run Barack Obama as a republican and have him win.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 01:04 PM (mHU03)

250 OT: Speaking of the Papa John jihad, I heard the LA City Council passed a "Meatless Monday" proclamation. Can Tofu Tuesday be far behind?

Forward, comrades!

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 01:04 PM (FcR7P)

251 Andy,
Stop letting facts get in the way of people's outrage! Don't you know that accusations and conspiracy theories are always more correct than fact?

Posted by: Angusmc at November 11, 2012 01:05 PM (I5ebA)

252 257
OT: Speaking of the Papa John jihad, I heard the LA City Council passed a
"Meatless Monday" proclamation. Can Tofu Tuesday be far behind?


Sure they did. Who can afford meat anymore?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 01:05 PM (9+ccr)

253
Akins wasn't the tea party candidate. They split their votes on 2 others.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2012 01:05 PM (PHb2k)

254 Meanwhile St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker has gone to ground. No one is answering the phones at her office. She will not answer her cell phone and her voice-mail is full. She has hired an attorney, who has also been incommunicado. If there is another side to the story it has yet to be told.

UPDATE: An hour after this report was posted the St. Lucie County Canvassing Board agreed to an entire early-voting recount starting Sunday at 7 a.m. Most of the election-day problems with the vote count were among the early votes, including possible duplicate vote counts or over-counting. This recount will involve approximately 30,000 ballots.

http://tinyurl.com/ae3czwk

So . . . now what convincing fable has the St. Lucie County elections supervisor’s lawyer advised her to narrate?

Posted by: mrks at November 11, 2012 01:05 PM (15/2r)

255 239
Iblis: there needs to be a unified simple reason to not vote for them too.

Something simple that people can say "yeah, I will go vote for that"


Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:57 PM (mHU03)


Well taking a page from their book, and keeping it Vague, how's about
THE FUTURE! Give 'em a blank slate like JEF did in 08. In America the future has always had a prosperous connotation. Let's just appropriate it. or PEACE AND PROSPERITY! Who can be against that?We're branding them "THE MOOCHERS" and we brand ourselves as "THE SAVIORS" or "THE PRODUCERS" (we could get sues on that one) or something. because RESPONSIBILITY doesn't always have a positive connotation.

Posted by: Iblis at November 11, 2012 01:06 PM (9221z)

256 "You must not live in Rockaway or Stanten island. In the end, you will be the one getting shot trying to break into my home and steal my guns, aomm and canned goods.

Fuck you, back under the porch."

Good lord. Your side loses an election and suddenly the country is going to become a post-apocalyptic, survivalist, every-man-for-himself landscape.

Get a grip.

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 01:06 PM (O6zkv)

257 But in this economy, the election should have been a blowout - beyond
the reach of fraud. To whatever extent there was of it, vote fraud


Nonsense on stilts. There's no paper trail to audit. The count is done in software in what % of the country. No way in hell a system with no trail, multiply vended black boxes, used one day every 4 years with such a high incentive to cheat can be trusted.

Posted by: DaveA at November 11, 2012 01:06 PM (MOWP1)

258 Akins wasn't the tea party candidate. They split their votes on 2 others.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2012 01:05 PM (PHb2k)

Because of the open primary I believe Dems could vote

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 01:06 PM (9+ccr)

259 It's part of the five stages of grief. Acceptance is at the end. Lots of folks are still at the "bargaining" stage.

Boehner already got to the bargining stage right after the election. I will never get to that stage. I'm still at the pissed off stage. Then when I really think about it its depressing. Haven't hit the fight stage yet.

yea, I know some of those stages aren't in there.

Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2012 01:06 PM (Vk6ZI)

260 Freedom is only losing because no one is actually fighting for it.

Freedom, properly articulated is a very sharp sword.
Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 12:59 PM (mHU03)


Don't be ridiculous. What percentage of the populace voted in the election of 1800 between Jefferson and Adams? Go ahead and check, seriously.

The fact is, freedom is not a thing that vast swaths of the masses understand. They never have. EVER. But they have always understood free stuff. And now the free stuff populace (which has always dwarfed the freedom populace) is finally voting in large numbers.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 01:06 PM (1crPI)

261 The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit.

The Democrat Machine mows it down.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 01:07 PM (sRus3)

262
kbdabear @ 246:

So far we've gotten playground insults

Don't hold your breath. This is adult as they get. "We won! Free Stuff!", is their rallying cry....don't try to confuse them with math.

Hell, even Obama care, twenty years after it's implementation is going to leave 30 million Americans without healthcare, (According to the CBO). We're going to end up paying trillions of dollars to maintain the status quo.

But hey....free stuff!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 11, 2012 01:07 PM (L7hol)

263 Artemus: yes, most people take freedom for granted.

A good first stab, I think at the freedom thing is this: Image of federal register. You must follow every rule here, if you do not, it is your fault. Got Freedom?

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 01:08 PM (mHU03)

264 So you're telling me that if I vote for Mitt I can get a better education, find a career, pay my taxes, and laws will be enforced?

Fuck that! Who's the other choice?

Posted by: Unlikely Voter at November 11, 2012 01:08 PM (FcR7P)

265
We keep trying to explain something in all kinds of ways but the reason we lost is pretty simple. It's not about RINOs or a candidate. Most voters want their entitlements. I don't care if they're on TANF or SSI or Social Security or Medicaid or Medicare. They won't give up any of it. Many of the Senior Citizens I talked to had bought into the Romney/Repubs will cut our SS and Medicare no matter how hard I tried to explain it to them. Many of them had voted Repub in the past. But the passing of Obamacare made them realize that it was the Dems who were in control of their "freebies." So why vote for someone who may take those away?

I'm betting that many of those supposedly no-show Repub voters actually voted for Obama. Not because Romney wasn't Conservative enough but because they love their entitlements. I think the Dems actually lost more voters than we realize but they got some of ours to counter-act it. I think we hate to admit that our base of Conservatives may have feet of clay andwhenpush comes to shove they follow their greed.

It's all talk but in the voting booth it's all about their own little hand-outs. Polls may have seen their day. I think a lot of people lie to pollsters rather than admit they will vote for the candidate of the other party.

Posted by: Deanna at November 11, 2012 01:09 PM (Z+fbx)

266 Hell, even Obama care, twenty years after it's implementation is going
to leave 30 million Americans without healthcare, (According to the
CBO). We're going to end up paying trillions of dollars to maintain the
status quo.

But hey....free stuff!

Yes this is my point. In January the taxes go up, obamcare starts to kick in.This is apocalyptic in my book...We are friggin broke! Greece here we come...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 01:09 PM (9+ccr)

267 236
What happened to those 5-6 million people who voted for Bush but didn't vote for Romney?



Most were in the bluest of states.

If 0ne million more Romney supporters showed up in California it wouldnt make a difference.

______________________

Wrong!

OHIO:
Bush got 2.8M votes in 2004
Romney got 2.5M votes, Obama got 2.7M votes in 2012

Had all Bush voters in Ohio turned out for Romney, he would have won.

Same goes for most if not all Bush 2004 states.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 01:09 PM (HDgX3)

268 Durka: please, everyone understands freedom. They just don't see that they are the frog in the pot.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 01:09 PM (mHU03)

269 Free stuff only lasts so long. Look at Greece.

Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2012 01:10 PM (Vk6ZI)

270 People want their entitlements because they have been lied to and told that they paid for them. That is how honest people got sucked with social security.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 01:11 PM (mHU03)

271 The circuses have been canceled. Because circuses involve cruelty to animals, they get boycotted everywhere they go.

"Christians in the Lion's Den" is pretty safe.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 01:11 PM (FcR7P)

272 We've been bailing out Klownifornia every CA bond auction for > a year.

Posted by: DaveA at November 11, 2012 01:11 PM (MOWP1)

273 Good lord. Your side loses an election and suddenly
the country is going to become a post-apocalyptic, survivalist,
every-man-for-himself landscape.



Get a grip.

Posted by: truth at November 11, 2012 01:06 PM (O6zkv)


You still refuse to look up math, huh?
How do I get to your delusional state of mind? It's a happy place for you, yes?







Posted by: Tami at November 11, 2012 01:11 PM (X6akg)

274

Wrong!

OHIO:
Bush got 2.8M votes in 2004
Romney got 2.5M votes, Obama got 2.7M votes in 2012

Had all Bush voters in Ohio turned out for Romney, he would have won.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 01:09 PM (HDgX3)

**************

No. You are wrong. There are millions of votes yet to be counted. Absentee, early, mail in etc.

You are counting vote totals after months of counting 04 and 08 with preliminary Election Day votes in 2012.

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 01:14 PM (1crPI)

275 257
OT: Speaking of the Papa John jihad, I heard the LA City Council passed a
"Meatless Monday" proclamation. Can Tofu Tuesday be far behind?



Forward, comrades!

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 01:04 PM

Why try to figure out how they're going to pay the bills when King FreeShit the First will send alms


Posted by: kbdabear at November 11, 2012 01:14 PM (wwsoB)

276 Something we haven't brought up:

We get into these circular firing squads about socons vs. fiscal cons, a conflict which is problematic to begin with since the overlap is so huge. But we are not addressing another conflict, that between neo-con interventionists and let-them-rot-in-their-own-savagery isolationists. Or anti-security and anti-defense-spending libertarians.

Leaving the latter group aside, there are a lot of patriotic, pro-military, low-info conservatives out there who are turned off by our foreign policy. They don't like this nation-building stuff ---(neither do I) --- and, for lack of a better word, feel alienated from elies, whether Bushies or Obamabots. Romney did NOTHING to reach them, but then, who can when our foreign policy is so muddy?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2012 01:17 PM (C8mVl)

277 275 Durka: please, everyone understands freedom.
Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 01:09 PM (mHU03)

Whatever. If they understand it then they prefer free stuff over freedom. And they always have. It's just that the idiots are voting now. They didn't used to. This is true. Did you look up the vote totals for 1800 yet? It's fascinating and disturbing in comparison to now.

Two truly great men Jefferson and Adams. How many votes in total? And we think this is a fucking coincidence?

Posted by: Durka at November 11, 2012 01:17 PM (1crPI)

278 Posted by: Deanna at November 11, 2012 01:09 PM (Z+fbx)

In September 2011 Sarah Palin gave a speech to an admiring crowd. She got many cheers and lots of applause. Then she mentioned Social Security. The crowd chilled and Palin felt it and it made her pause before she went on and finished.

Not long after that she bailed from joining the race for the nomination.

You are right. America is addicted to entitlement heroin.

The takers are legion.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 01:17 PM (sRus3)

279 but where the fuck are the circuses?

You're at it. Here's your red nose, 28 hours a week squeezing the bicycle horn on the greenway for minimum wage.

Posted by: DaveA at November 11, 2012 01:18 PM (MOWP1)

280 I agree Margarita, but don't you mean bloody, not muddy. Barky has a lot of blood on his hands that the MFM won't report.

Posted by: Infidel at November 11, 2012 01:19 PM (Vk6ZI)

281 We should be fighting like hell on the voter fraud issue in every swing state just like Allen West is. How do we even know that the turnout/total votes numbers are true? Maybe the machines just threw away votes. And I'm waiting to hear what really happened with ORCA and whether it was hacked or sabotaged, which would be a criminal offense.

Posted by: Emily at November 11, 2012 01:20 PM (FicFv)

282 Good lord. Your side loses an election and suddenly
the country is going to become a post-apocalyptic, survivalist,
every-man-for-himself landscape.
---------------------------------------

Does that frighten you?

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 01:22 PM (AzwZn)

283 I still don't understand the base not turning out. In 2008, people held their noses and voted for McCain. In 2012, people seemed to be very, very enthusiastic about voting for Romney. Yet we got less than McCain? Something smells.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 11, 2012 01:22 PM (i0App)

284 48
Truman, someone posted this here the day after the election. It's still

up on the city of Boston's website. Their turnout % seem a

little odd, unless I'm just reading it wrong.


http://tinyurl.com/ba8soaz
***************************

My precinct's ballots were printed on both sides, but it's possible that in other parts of MA there were two cards. (as in the case Andy reports for FL). There were a lot of candidates at the federal, state, city and local level, plus several ballot questions on assisted suicide (lost), "right to repair" (won), a medical marijuana (won).

Read the column headings from the top left:

Reg Cards % Reg Times Total
Voters Cast Turnout Voters Counted Votes

1547 1699 109.83 1547 850 844

Then, if you count votes for Pres/VP across the top, for that precinct you will see they add up to 844.

IOW of 1547 registered voters , 850 voted, with 844 actually casting valid ballots. Turnout = 54.9%. 2 x 54.9 = 109.89 That's the explanation.

Otherwise it is hard to see how Boston would report official results that would scream "FRAUD"!!!

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at November 11, 2012 01:25 PM (YwXwp)

285 I still don't understand the base not turning out. In 2008, people held their noses and voted for McCain. In 2012, people seemed to be very, very enthusiastic about voting for Romney. Yet we got less than McCain? Something smells.By the time all the votes are counted, Romney will have gotten more votes than McCain. Still millions more votes left to be counted.

Posted by: Angusmc at November 11, 2012 01:25 PM (I5ebA)

286
Allan West has already 'found' almost 3000 votes in that ONE district.

If he had not fought, he would have lost....

There is WAY to much slop in the system to trust current results...

IMO Repubs should have FOUGHT in every stinkin State... to SHOW how bad the system is...

Hell.... just ask Senator Al Franken how much 'slop' there is in the current election process....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2012 01:25 PM (RMCS5)

287 Durka: or perhaps, they feel that 'free stuff' is so baked in the cake there is nothing that can be done?

Regarding the election, yes not a lot of voters, even if you factor only voting in males 26 up. Sure *we* think they are great, but I mean you had a lot of people who had signed the declaration bouncing around then..

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 01:26 PM (mHU03)

288

Even the SCoaMF knew he was a failure. He had a concession speech written, while Mitt had a victory speech written.

Even TFG knew he was a failure.

But he had the new slave class on his side; the 3rd world peasants. All hail the king of slaves.

Posted by: burn it all down at November 11, 2012 01:27 PM (LpQbZ)

289 228 ---"Legitimate Lifer Groups have to expel Akin from their organizations and condemn the concept and anyone who promotes it , otherwise they'll just feed the MSM narrative.
oh and maybe only women should be spokespeople for Life."
Posted by: avi at November 11, 2012 12:54 PM (40anC)

Yes! Agreed!

Also, the GOP needs to do a MUCH better job of educating candidates on how to avoid MSM traps.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2012 01:27 PM (C8mVl)

290 45 Collin Powell endorsement and ads... That hurt as much as we would like to think it didn't and Ron Paul would not endorse Romney. Paulbots stayed home, or worse voted obama. Chris Chrisities bizarre love fest with obama.Some fraud, and lower turnout, and the MEDIA...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 11:49 AM (9+ccr)


Add popular TV shows. I watched 30 Rock the week before and Tina Fey's character was whining about her birth control while the Republican character Jack, was talking about how money can buy him anything and was using it to buy black votes. The whole episode was pro-Obama.

Posted by: Dahlia at November 11, 2012 01:27 PM (yBwO7)

291

And, boehner needs to get kicked out. Now.

Posted by: burn it all down at November 11, 2012 01:28 PM (LpQbZ)

292
I'll tell you who really need to be shot. That's our consultants and so-called experts and professionals, the smartest people in the room.
Nate Silver (it gags me to say) and PPP were the most accurate this time around. I didn't believe them. We didn't believe them. We were deluding ourselves, seeing things how we wanted it to be, and not how it really was.
But our polling experts and consultants were just as deluded and fucked-up as we were. As such, they failed miserably at what they are being paid to do: find the truth so we can react accordingly.
That's why Karl Rove melted down on Tuesday night. His data was bad. From what I gather, the Romney high command thought they were winning all day. So did the House campaign high command. Hell, the Senate people even thought they were doing much better than they were. When the real votes started being counted, they were shell shocked.
It is a combination of incompetence and more and more looking like outright fraud in some cases, with a bunch of consultants milking the campaigns for cash.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at November 11, 2012 01:28 PM (VVB18)

293 I still don't understand the base not turning out. In 2008, people held their noses and voted for McCain. In 2012, people seemed to be very, very enthusiastic about voting for Romney. Yet we got less than McCain? Something smells.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 11, 2012 01:22 PM (i0App)

The fraction of the base that said, "No more RINOs" meant it.

The GOP is dying because folks are dropping out.

I think a revolution is starting. It is not starting with crowds gathering together to fight the Redcoats. It is starting with folks withdrawing from the political system.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 01:28 PM (sRus3)

294
and just to question the numbers.... is it your contention that 41% of people only voted on ONE of the Cards? Thats an awful lot of people throwing their votes away when they are already there to vote....

We need to look at total number of votes FROM there on the second card of the ballot, vice number on the first card of the ballot, vs people signed in.... because 141% MAKES NO SENSE if all the Cards WERE actually counted.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2012 01:29 PM (RMCS5)

295 eman: it was the greatest trick .. make people pay into it and tell them that they have earned it.

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 01:29 PM (mHU03)

296 I need to add that the MA referendum questions consisted of densely-written prose that a "Low Information Voter" aka Dimocrat might not bother to attempt to read, let alone understand. That might explain why so many cards were not submitted.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at November 11, 2012 01:30 PM (YwXwp)

297 Enjoy your 28 hour work week middle class America! You wanted O-Care, now fucking own it

Posted by: 1984RD at November 11, 2012 01:30 PM (wc6pM)

298 Margarita raises a good point. As much as he held his own in the foreign policy debate, it was clear this was still a weak spot for Mitt. I think he didn't really push TFG on a number of topics because he was uncomfortable with what his vision should be.

Posted by: Pete at November 11, 2012 01:33 PM (q6gSc)

299 The Founders were quite worried about a thing they termed "Mob Rule". That's why the president was not to be chosen through direct elections, but through electors in the Electoral College. It was up to the legislatures of each state to determine how these electorswere assigned. Also, state legislatures elected US Senators, up untilthe 17th Amendement (1913, thank, guess who, theProgressives). And increasingly the Electoral College is coming under attackfor being an inherently undemocratic institution, which conflicts with the mores of this time.Heck we can't even make the reasonable, common sense argumentabout voter idstoday. The only acceptable point of viewallowed by the Left is this: "Anything goes." It's a very Hobbesian position, actually, that maximizes strife and chaos.Intentionally. Favors the most adept mob organizers.

Posted by: Cowboy at November 11, 2012 01:34 PM (WcgMM)

300 "and just to question the numbers.... is it your contention that 41% of
people only voted on ONE of the Cards? Thats an awful lot of people
throwing their votes away when they are already there to vote...."

No. Voter turnout was around 70%. Voters got two cards each on which to vote. 70% x 2 (cards) = 140%.

Posted by: Angusmc at November 11, 2012 01:34 PM (I5ebA)

301 Lol, if voter fraud does not win elections, why in the world would anyone even try to commit it??

That's like saying propaganda doesn't work, yet companies and politicians have spent billions on it for decades...wake the fuck up already.

Posted by: Alinsky at November 11, 2012 01:34 PM (z4IOv)

302
Just a personal anecdote. I voted in PA. I didn't hit the one party button, I'm always leery of that. I did vote for all candidates and all Repub. I go to vote and the screen says you didn't vote for every candidate. First time that's happened. So I go back and check. Nope I voted for each race. I go to vote and same message.
A pollworker comes over and I tell her what's happening. She says oh never mind just go ahead and confirm, it will be okay. I look at her and shake my head. I try one more time and this time it lets me confirm with no problem. But how many people didn't do that and just listened to the poll worker and did it change their votes? Just wondering.

Posted by: Deanna at November 11, 2012 01:35 PM (Z+fbx)

303 And, boehner needs to get kicked out. Now.
--------------------------------------

Americans voted against accountability remember?

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 01:35 PM (AzwZn)

304 eman: it was the greatest trick .. make people pay into it and tell them that they have earned it.
Posted by: dantealiegri at November 11, 2012 01:29 PM (mHU03)

I bet over half the voters still believe the money they pay into SS today is somehow saved for them for their retirement.

SS is welfare, deferred welfare. It is there to buy votes for Democrats. That is what all the entitlements and government programs are for.

And it works until the money runs out.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 01:36 PM (sRus3)

305 In my precinct they had one electronic machine or paper ballots for an optical scanner. I chose paper. I'd say about 70% of the people went with paper. we went 52-48 to TFG.

Posted by: Pete at November 11, 2012 01:37 PM (q6gSc)

306 Enjoy your 28 hour work week middle class America! You wanted O-Care, now fucking own it
----------------------------------------------

They bought it but they aren't going to own it.

It will be, as always, rich, greedy, fascist Republicans who are obstructing the Progressive utopia.

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 01:37 PM (AzwZn)

307 My precinct had both paper ballot and touch screen voting options.

If you chose the paper ballot, we handed you two sheets of paper, printed on both sides.

One sheet was for elective office, the other sheet was for local ballot questions, and a state-wide initiative.

Many voters took those two sheets, went into the booth, and came right back out. They clearly only voted for the very top office on the top of the first page (President and Vice President).

But we still made them take all those sheets, and all those (empty) sheets were fed into the optical scanner to read the votes.

I don't know how there could be missing ballot sheets in that case, but I'm not in MA.


Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2012 01:39 PM (neKzn)

308 SS is welfare, deferred welfare. It is there to buy votes for Democrats. That is what all the entitlements and government programs are for.

And it works until the money runs out.Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 01:36 PM
The worst part of Obamacare isn't the money or the lies or the whatever...It is that it convinced a lot of voters that the Dems were the only ones who cared and would save their entitlements. Whether it was SS or Medicare or SSI, many otherwise Repub voters were convinced that the Dems would save them.

Posted by: Deanna at November 11, 2012 01:42 PM (Z+fbx)

309 No. You are wrong. There are millions of votes yet to be counted. Absentee, early, mail in etc.



You are counting vote totals after months of counting 04 and 08 with preliminary Election Day votes in 2012.

_____________________________________________________

There are not millions of votes to be counted in Ohio. Fact is Romney got fewer votes than Bush. The base didn't turn out. The rest is noise.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 01:42 PM (HDgX3)

310 I'm sure more than half of Americans believe their Social Security account is like a savings account, because that's how it was sold to Americans from the beginning, and that's folks taught their kids to view it, and so on. Everyone I've talked to these days about SocSec fully expects to be rewarded because they've "paid into the system". There's a share of it there that is theirs, and they want it. They don't want to hear it that there is no money there, it's all been stolen. There's just a draw full of IOUs called "Intergovernmental Securities". Have they been so naive that they thing politicians could sit there beside a big pile of money and not spend it? Yes, they intend to hold politicians to the original deal. Doesn't get around the reality, though: There's no money in the so-called accounts. Zippy. All of it, stolen.

Posted by: Cowboy at November 11, 2012 01:43 PM (WcgMM)

311 The House GOP leadership still thinks they need Independents. They still think they need to be careful and nuanced.

They are wrong. They need to go full retard.

They need to pass bills that make Democrats scream with rage and mockery.

The bills will fail one way or another, but they will be there on record.

Timidity and balance and compromise have failed.

Win 2014 and 2016 with courage and bias and feet set in stone.

Or die off and be replaced.

Darwin awaits your choice, GOP.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 01:44 PM (sRus3)

312 We lost because we allowed our opponents to define us, didn't get our message out and ultimately didn't turn out our voters.

Agreed. And these things happened because we didn't have a good candidate. We had a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign.

I'm sorry, but fundamentals still matter.

It appears that the Repubs carried the day down ticket. Even in Ohio where the legislature flipped to Repub control.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at November 11, 2012 01:48 PM (p4U6S)

313 The fraction of the Base that said "No More fucking RINO's" is that fraction that voted for Palin in 2008.

All the smart guys who said that Palin was a threat to the Party (like Ace, for example), now have to explain how she and McCain got more votes than Mr. Guaranteed Victory. Romney and Ryan got several million fewer voters to the polls than McCain and Palin.

Fact.

In fact, McCain and Palin were able to revive some of the dormant Reagan Democrats. It was Palin who did that.

When this party starts recognizing that populist, working class conservatism is the only path back to a majority, then it will start winning again. Palin was shrewd not to buy into the RINO Viking Funeral this year. She let them dig their own graves.

The greedy bastards thought they were so much smarter and shrewder than that woman. Last time the Roves and Mike Murphys of the world were seen, they were standing around with their dicks in the hands trying to explain away Project Fail Whale ORCA.

If you dig real deep, you will probably find that the same group of graverobbers who pissed away 175 million dollars of Meg Whitman's money in California in 2010 are, in all likelihood, the same group of parasitic sucker fish who latched onto Mitt Romney's fortune for the duration. The only reason they cared about Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan is because they knew Romney's checks would clear.

And they despised Sarah Palin for one overriding reason: she would NOT hire them. Now we know why.

Good for Sarah Palin. We will build a new conservative Republican Party off of this wreckage.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at November 11, 2012 01:48 PM (CUoon)

314 is it your contention that 41% of people only voted on ONE of the
Cards? Thats an awful lot of people throwing their votes away when they
are already there to vote....


I had 3 cards in my Palm Beach precinct. The 3rd card and most of the 2nd were a bunch of state constitution amendments and should judge so-and-so be retained.

A lot of people don't vote on that shit.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 11, 2012 01:53 PM (gy+bf)

315 291
I still don't understand the base not turning out. In 2008, people held
their noses and voted for McCain. In 2012, people seemed to be very,
very enthusiastic about voting for Romney. Yet we got less than McCain?
Something smells.

____________________________

As Joe Biden would say....two words: Mormon bias.
It's the white elephant in the room.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 11, 2012 01:55 PM (HDgX3)

316 They are wrong. They need to go full retard.
They need to pass bills that make Democrats scream with rage and mockery.


You can campaign on stuff that's been passed in the House and died in the Senate. That's free ammo as the collapse looms closer. Only an imbecile would fail to pick it up off the table.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 11, 2012 01:56 PM (gy+bf)

317 Cloward and Piven. If we are all takers and there are no makers, we break their dream the way they broke ours. Go Galt and let them help fund it!

Posted by: Cato at November 11, 2012 02:00 PM (esVpT)

318 You can campaign on stuff that's been passed in the House and died in the Senate.
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The House passed 30 jobs bills that died in the Senate.

How'd that work out for Romney?

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 02:06 PM (AzwZn)

319 well, don't I feel silly, It just so happens that there are few 100%+ districts and it's just that they voted twice. In those districts.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 11, 2012 02:06 PM (Z3ckx)

320 If the election is within margin of fraud the Ds always win.

The reason the election was within margin of fraud is because the Rs chose a candidate indistinguishable from the Ds candidate (from the average persons perspective).

Posted by: Rmoney Voter at November 11, 2012 02:08 PM (JtyGg)

321 You can campaign on stuff that's been passed in the House and died in the Senate.
-----------------------------------------

The House passed 30 jobs bills that died in the Senate.

How'd that work out for Romney?
Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 02:06 PM (AzwZn)

Did Mitt use that fact at all?

The GOP House should pass bills that Democrats hate because those bills will help the GOP in 2014.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 02:08 PM (sRus3)

322 Margarita, you have a great point, insofar as our foreign policy being a multi-pronged catastrophe.

No less a figure than candidate George W Bush himself openly decried the idea of nation building, and promptly set off a decade of it. How do you square that, as a conservative voter? Well, you support the troops, right? 2004 showed as much. People were unhappy with what seemed to be happening, but stuck with it. Two years. Four. Six. Eight. People still love the troops, but the GOP elite that send them? Patience turns to resentment and then to alienation.

2012 rolls around, and our candidate comes in talking about staying in Afghanistan, lamenting the loss of Iraq, growling at Iran, asking for a bigger military budget, and then wondering where all the votes Bush and McCain got have suddenly gone?

People don't appreciate just how deeply unpopular Bush's Middle East legacy is, because it's masked by support of the troops. Crocodile tears aside, most people are perfect okay with using drones to assassinate AQ leaders and pulling all of our troops out of the region.

Mitt says he wants a bigger military budget. "For what?," they wonder. Team Romney didn't really know, and Team Obama cheerfully filled in the blanks.

Romney let himself get painted as a Bush-in-sheep's-clothing because he wanted to look tough. Problem is, nobody, even on the right, cares about tough anymore. We're not lacking for might or firepower; just vision. Obama's lack of vision was seen as less dangerous than Mitt's aping of GWB's vibe. What America wanted to hear from the GOP was a borderline isolationist "screw those fools, they are unworthy of our troops' sacrifice, we're coming home" speech, but they didn't hear it. They heard "Business as usual for defense contractors".

And here we are.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 11, 2012 02:09 PM (27tUc)

323 You can campaign on stuff that's been passed in the
House and died in the Senate. That's free ammo as the collapse looms
closer. Only an imbecile would fail to pick it up off the table.Posted by: @PurpAv


Like the 18 jobs bills the House passed since 2009?

No one cares what was stalled in the Senate. I'm not convinced more than 30% of the voting public knows that the Dems control the Senate.

In fact when they did a poll after the 2010 election, the majority polled said that the GOP controlled both houses.

If we can't explain the fitness of conservatism to a public, how do you expect to campaign on legislative procedure and win?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2012 02:10 PM (SX6wc)

324 "But we didn't lose on Tuesday because of it."

Take this to heart. The small but vocal group of conservatives who blame Tuesday's loss on voter fraud and not the Romney campaign are deluding themselves. I think the GOP wonks and campaign staff lost this one: poor turnout models, inaccurate polling, terrible ground game on election day. I've said it before, but it bears repeating: I'm a registered independent in Colorado and I was contacted dozens of times by Obama canvassers. All summer long I watched the Obama campaign register new voters, while Romney's campaign was totally invisible, aside from a few yard signs. You can't win if you don't compete.

Posted by: Jordan at November 11, 2012 02:11 PM (jRfn3)

325 Posted by: Jordan at November 11, 2012 02:11 PM (jRfn3)

Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2012 02:13 PM (SX6wc)

326 Mitt relied on broken glass voters.

There were many, but not enough.

Obama should have been swept out of office in a tsunami of disgust, but it did not happen.

The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit and the Democrat Machine mows it down.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 02:13 PM (sRus3)

327 I'm going thru the stats of my blue Bay Area, California county (70-29 Obama, matching D/R registration, 72% turnout), so if 68% of Republicans stayed home, then Independents overwhelmingly voted Republican. Has anyone found the 68%?

My precinct voted 40% Romney with 85% turnout.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 02:14 PM (FcR7P)

328 Oh interesting, the article on sharktank was written by a "Javiar Manjarres"
It appears that this blogger is nothing more than a paid attack dog whom liberals salivate over.
In such a serious issue as voter fraud, I would suggest vetting all sources before quoting them.

http://www.truthaboutjaviermanjarres.com/

Posted by: GlitterDove at November 11, 2012 02:17 PM (Z3ckx)

329 "Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?"

Nope, but Obama is still your president.

Posted by: Jordan at November 11, 2012 02:17 PM (jRfn3)

330 Issues don't win elections anymore, emotion and perception do. We need to worry as much about looking good and being approachable without compromising core principles as we do about being right on policy.

Posted by: Cato at November 11, 2012 02:17 PM (esVpT)

331 "so if 68% of Republicans stayed home, then Independents overwhelmingly voted Republican. Has anyone found the 68%?
"

How do you get that 68% of Republicans stayed home?

Posted by: Angusmc at November 11, 2012 02:18 PM (I5ebA)

332
You might want to include this:
There was fraud going on:
http://tinyurl.com/apbcyrn


A physical barrier had been erected making it impossible for the observers to see what was going on. After repeated objections, the observers were allowed to stand behind the people reproducing the ballots. But then the ballot workers blocked their view. “Half of the people reproducing the ballots are crowding together,” Mr. Shapiro said, “to make it impossible for anyone to see what they are doing.” He added that “there is a sense that since they spend so much time obstructing our view they are not reproducing [the ballots] correctly.”
An elderly man who stood up to try to get a better look at the ballots was ordered to sit down. When he asked why, Palm Beach County Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher called a sheriff’s deputy to have him escorted out of the building. Team West volunteer Ellen Snyder has also faced the wrath of the supervisory staff. “They screamed at me twice” for asking questions she said, and threatened to have her removed.

Posted by: Fresh at November 11, 2012 02:19 PM (O7ksG)

333 too much to digest. This voter fraud wasn't a big deal post is dead wrong. We've uncovered this pattern across swing states. Some districts have 100%+turnout right next to other ones without. Going all the way for obama.

Look, you have two things going on.
high turnout
abnormally high obama results.

as for recriminations....

Romney got 40+ more newspaper endorsements
there are reports of people voting R for the first time (like Carolla)
Obama lost millions from 2008

you can't rip the GOP apart like this. The gays and abortionists and obamaphone ladies would be convinced by nothing.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 11, 2012 02:21 PM (Z3ckx)

334 How do you get that 68% of Republicans stayed home?

I'm referencing many previous posts, in my head, but especially "millions of missing voters, but they must all be in blue states".

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 02:21 PM (FcR7P)

335 We can continue to rearrange the deck chairs, or we can face reality.

The question before us now is "How are we to survive?"
Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 11, 2012 02:15 PM (IoNBC)

I am going to take a concrete step. I am moving to a red State.

I live in CA and my vote is just a mandate vote. Not good enough.

My kids live in MA. Their vote is just a mandate vote, too. Not good enough.

A red State offers lower taxes, greater growth, greater insulation from the collapse, more freedom, more vote-power, lower cost-of-living, helps keep the State red, and maybe brings the kids there, too.

It is win to the tenth power.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 02:22 PM (sRus3)

336 "I am going to take a concrete step. I am moving to a red State. I live in CA and my vote is just a mandate vote. Not good enough. My kids live in MA. Their vote is just a mandate vote, too. Not good enough. A red State offers lower taxes, greater growth, greater insulation from the collapse, more freedom, more vote-power, lower cost-of-living, helps keep the State red, and maybe brings the kids there, too."

If you want your vote to count more, shouldn't you move to a battleground state and not a red one? Your vote would be just as worthless in Oklahoma or Alabama as it is in California.

Posted by: Jordan at November 11, 2012 02:24 PM (jRfn3)

337 Reason's got nothing to do with. If it did, something would change in California. But, it doesn't. No matter how screwed up things get in CA, people continue to vote for more of the poison. They've locked themselves into a one-party state with a supermajority now, and be assured of higher taxes, less growth, more ill-afforded union largesse, bullet trains they cannot afford leading to nowhere, more insane regulations, more pitting of one group vs. another by courts, officials, and politicos ... It goes on and on. Nightmare. We do have a lot of talented, successful, eloquent people in California who get the picture. Many of them show up here. Their fellow citizens don't heed them, in word or deed. The band plays on. Calls to stop the madness reverberate, unheard.

Posted by: Cowboy at November 11, 2012 02:26 PM (WcgMM)

338 Posted by: Jordan at November 11, 2012 02:24 PM (jRfn3)

Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2012 02:27 PM (SX6wc)

339 If you want your vote to count more, shouldn't you move to a battleground state and not a red one? Your vote would be just as worthless in Oklahoma or Alabama as it is in California.
Posted by: Jordan at November 11, 2012 02:24 PM (jRfn3)

Maybe, but red States are in danger of becoming purple or blue. I can't be everywhere at once.

In fact, some States I and others call red may already be battleground States. Texas and Virginia and Florida are good candidates for me. I think Texas is the only definite red one.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 02:28 PM (sRus3)

340
343....How do you get that 68% of Republicans stayed home?

It has been reported on FoxBusiness, first by Lou Dobbs, then by others...that "only 32% of registered Republicans voted".

That is where that '68% of Republicans stayed home' is coming from.

This was a preliminary figure, of course.
But even if it was 50%, it is still staggering.

So much for that thing that so many pundits were saying, about how "Anyone could beat" the JEF.
We started this election cycle with a false premise.

Posted by: wheatie at November 11, 2012 02:31 PM (ICEh3)

341 The House passed 30 jobs bills that died in the Senate.

How'd that work out for Romney?
Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 02:06 PM (AzwZn)

Did Mitt use that fact at all?

The GOP House should pass bills that Democrats hate because those bills will help the GOP in 2014.
------------------------------------

To be fair, no, Mitt did not use that fact at all.

But for anyone paying attention, and given the serious times we live in, it already should have been known AND an issue.

Hell, you and I know about it.

Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 02:31 PM (AzwZn)

342
Could the fraud vote have turned the
election at the margins? No one will ever
know.

.
Because you have surrendered.
.
I don't care if it's one vote, I don't care if it's ten thousand or a hundred thousand, it's a fucking felony and an attack on our system of representative government.
.
Saying republicans have to exceed the margin of fraud is actively supporting the 'right' of dems to commit felonies.
.
You might as well declare a permanent amnesty for car thieves. You people should have car insurance anyway.
.
If it didn't turn th Presidential election it sure as hell has turned others, we know it has.
.
Ceding it is fucking insanity, Andy. At least the trolls doing it are doing it because they're on the other side.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 11, 2012 02:31 PM (DYWM0)

343 Conservative/Libertarian migration out of blue States is a potential huge problem for the Democrats.

One million GOP voters popping up in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia in 2016 kicks the Democrats right in the nuts.

In the next three years vote with your feet.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 02:32 PM (sRus3)

344 "In fact, some States I and others call red may already be battleground States. Texas and Virginia and Florida are good candidates for me. I think Texas is the only definite red one."

Colorado seems to be becoming more blue than purple these days. The Tea Party lost big here in 2010. In three election cycles the governor, both legislative chambers, a Senate seat, my state representative and my county commission have all flipped from red to blue.

Posted by: Jordan at November 11, 2012 02:33 PM (jRfn3)

345 Oh, and yes, cherry picking a stat you can criticize and ignoring everything else is tendentious horseshit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 11, 2012 02:33 PM (DYWM0)

346 Hell, you and I know about it.
Posted by: Ronin at November 11, 2012 02:31 PM (AzwZn)

We are high information voters. The GOP can not reach too many low information voters, but they may be able to catch the attention of those in the middle range. Especially in local elections.

No matter who opposes the Democrats they must give the voters a clear choice, a true alternative.

Have those choices and alternative on record and have the votes for and against them on record.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 02:36 PM (sRus3)

347 You're right, eman, about red states turning blue. Virginia is now a blue state. It is a Mid-Atlantic state now, culturally and politically, it is no longer southern. In Virginia we are, on the whole, closer to Delaware than Tennessee or Georgia. The explosive growth of northern Virginia is mostly to blame, and that area is the Land of the Federal Worker. Everything there is geared to support and service the federal government. So, being a giant government town, they vote for more government. They want a bigger, more powerful government capable of solving every problem, and they want a hand in it all. As a group, this zeal of a government town is only matched by the zeal of an academic town. And that brings us to the Research Triangle of North Carolina. NC is teetering on the edge poltically, too, because of this. North Carolina is slipping away to the blue column. Virginia is already there.

Posted by: Cowboy at November 11, 2012 02:37 PM (WcgMM)

348 Big-money Conservatives could help by paying to recruit workers from, say, California.

Just sayin'

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2012 02:40 PM (sRus3)

349 Andy: "We lost because we allowed our opponents to define us, didn't get our message out and ultimately didn't turn out our voters."

This implies that all these things can be fixed, in the usual sense. As in, "we need to try harder." I think we've tipped. Which means most voters are predestined to define us a certain way, and are not receptive to our message (assuming we can get our message out past the media at all).

As far as GOTV, this should be a non-issue. It is a secondary cause, at best. If your message is resonating, GOTV fixes itself. Or at least it should.

The bottom line is that our message is hard. It will always lose to Santa Claus. We won't win again until the people have suffered.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 11, 2012 02:43 PM (MmH0Z)

350 “They screamed at me twice” for asking questions she said, and threatened to have her removed.
Posted by: Fresh at November 11, 2012 02:19 PM (O7ksG)
===========


libs are so vulgar

the contrast is so real

Posted by: drink at November 11, 2012 02:45 PM (LpQbZ)

351 You lost because the highest and lowest intelligence demographics trend Democrat, with the demographics nearer the mean trending Republican, and lower intelligence demographic populations are expanding.

Also, because women trend demographic, although to a point, that's accounted for above, although there's an additional instinct thing going on there as women evolved to seek resources from males or their tribe for themselves and offspring. In an era with shattered family units, for whatever reason, government has replaced families in the hearts of many women economically.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 11, 2012 02:47 PM (SKX2R)

352 "It has been reported on FoxBusiness, first by Lou Dobbs, then by others...that "only 32% of registered Republicans voted".

That is where that '68% of Republicans stayed home' is coming from."

Well, Lou Dobbs has always been a moron. About 2/3rds of registered Republicans voted.

approx 180 million registered voters in the U.S.
approx 60 million Republicans (my estimate)

Estimated 125 mil voters in 2012 of whom 32% are Republican = 40 million Republican voters, or about 2/3rds of Republicans turned out.

Posted by: Angusmc at November 11, 2012 02:48 PM (I5ebA)

353 >>> As far as GOTV, this should be a non-issue. It is a secondary cause, at best. If your message is resonating, GOTV fixes itself. Or at least it should.

This is silly.

I get the point, but it's like throwing away 1 or 2% of your vote and saying "meh".

Not just for the Presidency, but for all the downticket races as well.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 11, 2012 02:49 PM (SKX2R)

354 We won't win again until the people have suffered.

One wonders. Russia and Venezuela have Obama-style kleptocracies. Cuba, China, North Korea, the Caliphate- I'm not seeing freedom breaking out.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 02:49 PM (FcR7P)

355 I don't agree with the view that it was the candidate's fault. I think Mitt maximized our chances. Replace Mitt with someone more conservative and you pick up some R's who stayed home, but lose more squishes than the R's you picked up.

We lost because of the electorate.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 11, 2012 02:50 PM (MmH0Z)

356 Don't obsess over GOTV in an election that should not have been close. Face reality.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 11, 2012 02:52 PM (MmH0Z)

357 The more we learn about election turnout the more likely that ballots were destroyed and tampered with.

On the ground reports was that there was large, unprecedented red district turnout.

stop recriminations and start recounting.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 11, 2012 02:55 PM (Z3ckx)

358 Don't obsess over GOTV in an election that should not have been close. Face reality.

They are the same thing, unless you're saying we got out the vote and there's no reason Mitt should have won.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 02:56 PM (FcR7P)

359 Elections in the US against statists should not be close. This should be the focus of everyone's attention and efforts. Focusing on the fringes diminishes the effort available for the real causes.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 11, 2012 02:57 PM (MmH0Z)

360 100% plus of the vote is plausible and legitimate because of same day voter registrations.

A precinct has 1,000 registered voters on its list. 800 of them show up PLUS 300 new voters who show their ID and cast a standard or provisional ballot depending on the state. Their vote counts and the precinct reports 110% turnout.

The right is once again going to make a fool out of itself chasing chimeras because of elementary ignorance of real world processes. This "voter fraud conspiracy" is something any of you could debunk with a little research. Instead you default to outraged victimhood.

Posted by: Adorno at November 11, 2012 03:02 PM (3UZKf)

361 >>> Don't obsess over GOTV in an election that should not have been close. Face reality.

The reality is that their candidate fought two *competent* campaigns in a row.

Ours? Not so much.

Competency is not a non-issue to voters.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 11, 2012 03:03 PM (SKX2R)

362 >>> The more we learn about election turnout the more likely that ballots were destroyed and tampered with.

>>> On the ground reports was that there was large, unprecedented red district turnout.

>>> stop recriminations and start recounting.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 11, 2012 02:55 PM

It must FEEL so good just to be able to live in a world not particularly negatively impacted by external reality. I should give it a try.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 11, 2012 03:05 PM (SKX2R)

363 Elections in the US against statists should not be
close. This should be the focus of everyone's attention and efforts.
Focusing on the fringes diminishes the effort available for the real
causes.Posted by: hannitys_hybrid


Which is going to be tough for a variety of reasons. The Left has successfully remapped the language of our democracy and mores.

Concern for the 'fare share' is now the moral imperative. Spending less on entitlements is now a sin. Not genuflecting to group identity and victim-hood is now immoral.

Statism is the new orthodoxy, and the Left are her hide-bound priests. Until those values and people fail, become mocked and discredited, we're not getting back home.

The silver lining? We're the cultural rebels now.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 11, 2012 03:10 PM (SX6wc)

364 I'm not convinced more than 30% of the voting public knows that the Dems control the Senate.

Between now and 2014, no Republican should open their mouth to say the word "Senate" without substituting "Democrat controlled Obama Senate which has not passed a budget in 4 years".

Reclaim the language. The Democrat's position is indefensible.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 11, 2012 03:25 PM (gy+bf)

365 >>> Between now and 2014, no Republican should open their mouth to say the word "Senate" without substituting "Democrat controlled Obama Senate which has not passed a budget in 4 years".

That's a good idea, except that in general it's hard to get Republicans to sign on to group action.

But it's a good idea.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 11, 2012 03:27 PM (SKX2R)

366 etween now and 2014, no Republican should open their mouth to say the
word "Senate" without substituting "Moocher controlled Obama Senate
which has not passed a budget in 4 years".

Reclaim the language. The Moocher's position is indefensible.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 11, 2012 03:25 PM (gy+bf)


FIFY!

Posted by: Iblis at November 11, 2012 03:27 PM (9221z)

367

http://tinyurl.com/apbcyrn

Posted by: Fresh at November 11, 2012 03:36 PM (O7ksG)

368
Until we re-claim a respectable honest press - we are screwed.

Posted by: Fresh at November 11, 2012 03:37 PM (O7ksG)

369 After checking on Andy's source, this is even more ridiculous.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 11, 2012 03:43 PM (DYWM0)

370 We have a corrupt biased press. That's it folks.

Posted by: Fresh at November 11, 2012 03:45 PM (O7ksG)

371 I wish O'Keefe would try to infiltrate the MSM. Expose them for shits they are.

Posted by: Iblis at November 11, 2012 03:52 PM (9221z)

372 >>> Until we re-claim a respectable honest press - we are screwed.
Posted by: Fresh at November 11, 2012 03:37 PM

>>> We have a corrupt biased press. That's it folks.
Posted by: Fresh at November 11, 2012 03:45 PM

For fuck sakes.

You should lose if that makes you give up.

You know what? Fox isn't banned. AoSHQ isn't banned. Rush and Mark speak on. Instapundit types the odd word now and again. The New York Post, Wall Street Journal, and Washington Times still publish. Etc.

You can write any damn word you want on a blog and click the little button that makes your words go live to the world. As am I, now. As are you.

But most journalism students are liberals and most people choose to get their news from left-wing sources.

Whether because they're more entertaining, they trust them more, or just that's who goes to journalism school.

So stop fucking whining about it, and if you think this must be changed, get in the business or promote other conservatives too, including scholarships and whatnot.

But if conservatives don't like the business and by and large can't be bothered with it, or if they just are less entertaining and good at it as a rule of thumb, then you know what? The libs got that part of the culture.

And it's not their fault for DOING something while you whine your ass off.

Sure they're biased. Don't expect them to lose their biases. You can't lose your own fucking biases.

Outcompete them in the capitalist free market and the marketplace of ideas, or "wha wha" here.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 11, 2012 03:53 PM (SKX2R)

373 Can you imagine the revolutionary founders giving up BECAUSE THEY HAD A LOWER MARKET SHARE OF NEWSPAPERS???

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 11, 2012 04:00 PM (SKX2R)

374 So we are to believe that the administration that foisted Fast and Furious upon us, rammed thru Obamacare in the middle of the night, and gave us Beghazigate would never do anything so unethical as steal an election? They will go as far aętre let them and so far that's been too far but we thought we had the overwhelming legal tool of a fair election. Now we realize that is gone too now until we find a way to stop this.

Posted by: small town girl at November 11, 2012 04:01 PM (96hTc)

375 I don't think the "free shit" meme is going to work. Romney did not lose because he told people cold, hard truths and asked them to sacrifice. Romney told his rich donors they could have what they want from government (which is not, repeat not, simply to be left alone); told everyone else they could have lower taxes without the government actually having to reduce any services; told everyone they could have a clean environment and no regulation (or no regulation and a clean environment, take your pick). Romney tried 'free shit.' And the Obama voters knew they had not really gotten a lot of presents, in the last 4 years. So, what is to be said to that? I mean, if people actually stop to think, rather than just repeating the phrases.

Posted by: Anne at November 11, 2012 04:03 PM (R/JHU)

376 small town girl, do you have any idea of the complexity that would be involved in producing a margin of fraud that brought the final result equal to the average of 49 of 50 of the state polls -- conducted by many different polling firms -- and the national polls?

Now, granted, the Obama campaign's GOTV efforts were a masterpiece and Romney's were a shambles. So I'm willing to grant them greater competence here too.

But you really think they pulled THIS off? Secretly?

If you do, and it looks that way, then you got to acknowledge they are DAMN smart.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 11, 2012 04:06 PM (SKX2R)

377 We lost because there is no "we".

The RNC decides who will get support, who will control, .....

We can not win by trying to do their stuff first.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at November 11, 2012 04:12 PM (qnqTc)

378 Jesus, people, stop with the HotAir bullshit. You know who the fucking trolls are and what they're trying to do, stop helping them.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2012 04:21 PM (bxiXv)

379 Outcompete them in the capitalist free market and the marketplace of ideas, or "wha wha" here.

Breitbart.com seems on the right track.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2012 04:23 PM (FcR7P)

380 You guys can cry about voter fraud all you want. The fact is, the majority of voters don't care.

No amount of shenanigans on the part of liberals will ever make a dent as long as the handouts keep coming. They just don't care. If they did, this would have been a landslide for Romney.

So yes, voter fraud is here and will continue, and there isn't a friggin' thing you can do about it. Amnesty is coming, gay marriage is coming, higher taxes and stagnant economy, all coming. And no one will care. Because we want to be children told what to do, how to do it, if we can do it at all, yada yada yada.

It will take something of an epic disaster, when people are stripped bare of their illusion of protection, to change anything.

Posted by: Bedlam at November 11, 2012 04:24 PM (8EPcY)

381 You have to wait 6 months at least for accurate "turn out" numbers to be published, people.

Posted by: gm at November 11, 2012 04:29 PM (wgmUB)

382 381 You have to wait 6 months at least for accurate "turn out" numbers to be published, people.
Posted by: gm at November 11, 2012 04:29 PM (wgmUB)


You can tell people, but they won't listen.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2012 04:37 PM (bxiXv)

383 SharkTank is wrong when it says the 2 page ballot equals 2 voter cards. Precinct records will indicate how many ballots were issued and the scanners will show how many ballots were cast. There may well be legitimate explanations for how a precinct can cast more ballots than registered voters but it's difficult to see how.

Posted by: crazy at November 11, 2012 04:48 PM (DymQ2)

384 Secession. Let THEM burn.

Posted by: Soona at November 11, 2012 04:51 PM (M7guF)

385 We lost because of the keys, which seem to work every time. Strategy going forward would be to pay attention to the keys and have them in our favor.

Posted by: Original Roy at November 11, 2012 04:52 PM (wTawr)

386 And remember in 2014, Nov. 6th is Felony Amnesty Day, if you're a Democrat.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2012 04:53 PM (bxiXv)

387 So, let me get this straight. The GOP was enthused enough about this election to increase their early vote totals vs 2008, in spite of the fact they were intentionally focusing on "less likely to vote" Republican voters, but when push came to shove, the people MOST LIKELY to enthusiastically vote for Romney, the ones who were urging me to take the day off from work and canvass for the GOP, those guys stayed home?
Okay, Andy. Nothing to see here.
But off the record, virtually every conservative I know believes something very weird happened. You might hear them shouting in the public square about it because...BIRTHER! But the skepticism is out here.

Posted by: John Pearson at November 11, 2012 05:36 PM (9Uzx4)

388 might NOT hear them shouting...

Posted by: John Pearson at November 11, 2012 05:37 PM (9Uzx4)

389 Voting fraud is not what cost us this election. It obviously needs to be monitored, but enough of we can't win elections because they cheat.

But the early voting either needs to be stopped or the GOP needs to get good at it. Personally, I think the Constitution is clear about voting being on a single Election Day, my preference would be for stte legislatures to start clamping down on this nonsense.

Again though, the Democrats don't have some sort of "cheating advantage" that made them win. All we had to do is turn out the same voters that Mccain's awful campaign got to the polls and it would have been President Romney. Obama's GOTV was a miserable failure, it's just that ours was worst.

It would be a mistake though to chalk this up as purely a GOTV failure. The GOP should be able to compete in all 50 states, not just rural ones. And now we're even getting beat in rural states like Missouri, Indiana, North Dakota, montana, etc.

I think Mccain outperformed Romney because social issues were almost never brought up in the 2008 campaign, the GOP had largely put those on the back burner. I don't remember a single mention of birth control or rape babies.


Posted by: Jeepers at November 11, 2012 06:21 PM (XDRsa)

390 305 In my precinct they had one electronic machine or paper ballots for an optical scanner. I chose paper. I'd say about 70% of the people went with paper. we went 52-48 to TFG.
Posted by: Pete at November 11, 2012 01:37 PM (q6gSc)

Even paper ballots are counted by electronic machines. And don't forget the votes were counted in Spain by a company tied to Soros.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 11, 2012 06:27 PM (KL49F)

391 I was wondering how long it would take before the Right started started policing it's own for the White House.

We all saw what happened Tuesday night. And we all know what kind of bunch is Occupying the Oval Office. So far, the proof of various types of vote fraud happening in massive numbers all over the country is overwhelming and at levels not seen before and with time as people compare notes the truth get out.

Two choices- you're either with us or against us.

You either join us in our effort to uncover the criminal nature of this regime, or you side with them in stuffing us down and enabling their agenda.

Posted by: november1981 at November 11, 2012 06:34 PM (Z6XSF)

392 "But in this economy, the election should have been a blowout - beyond the reach of fraud. To whatever extent there was of it, vote fraud doesn't explain the complete strategic and tactical failure we saw on Tuesday."

How can such a statement be made?
You.
Just.
Don't.
Know.

Posted by: PelosiNeedsMorePlasticSurgery at November 11, 2012 08:30 PM (uy+Yh)

393 "... the election should have been a blowout - beyond the reach of fraud ..."

= = = = =

Crackpot alert!
Tinfoil hat alert!
Gullible loony alert!

Please feel free to call me all the above. I DO NOT CARE.

What makes you think the election WASN'T a blowout? Do you really believe the voter-counts released by each precinct? Why?

In locations using paper ballots, I'd say YES, you can believe the count because right-there-in-front-of-you are stacks and boxes containing physical documents that any human can see and touch and tabulate.

In locations using voting machines, WHO KNOWS? Tell me what outcome you want and I can make a computer print that result out for you. Or, I can make the machine correctly record 8 "real" votes for Romney, and for the 9th Romney vote I can tell the machine to give that vote to Obama instead. Who's going to know? A programmer can whip up "a little something" to modify records, making sure the last step of the "something" is "delete this program". A person checking for malicious software isn't going to find the program that isn't there....

So, nope. I have no faith in the process, therefore I have no faith in the results.

Sincerely,
Mr. Tinfoil

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at November 11, 2012 10:03 PM (hq0VE)

394 i said right on this very blog that romney was going to lose and i said exactly why. i'll say it again. the truth needs an advocate, and it does not speak for itself. and what did romney do? he did what allllll stupid frat boy repubes do, they ignore the smears saying "well, i wont dignify that with a response...i know the truth." it's like some kind of noble suicide or something. so, like always, we put up a reallyyyyy decent guy, and the left turned him into a monster. the average person believed it. i know people that read ONE article in rolling stone about bain and romney, and they based their decision to vote for obambi on that ONE article. why didn't romney respond to this crap? why? look, the tree fell in the forest, and no one heard it. period. romney was one of the nicest wimps we've ever run for office. someone should give him a cookie or something, really.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 12, 2012 12:55 AM (8Nq99)

395 oh yeah...i forgot to add, "fuck you chief justice roberts, you are an asshole, and you suck!" Thanks for the obamacare, jerk!

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 12, 2012 12:56 AM (8Nq99)

396 Election fraud is corrosive and every state should require ID to vote. That said, if it's not close, they can't cheat.

We venture outside the media bubble. We know about things that the typical voter has never heard of. Inside the bubble, the economy is "getting better" and would be fixed by now if not for Republicans out to smear the President. The Drone War is a Star Wars prequel. Obama killed Osama. That little commotion in the Middle East was because of YouTube. Obama's handling of Superstorm Sandy was masterful. What's a Benghazi? Republicans want to shut down medicare and ban tampons. Republicans think God blesses rape.

With those "facts" in their heads I can't blame them for voting for Obama. We're not going to get anywhere until we leave our comfort zone and start rebutting this steady diet of disinformation.

Posted by: GalosGann at November 12, 2012 10:35 AM (T3KlW)

397
I sent a link to this page to someone I know who voted there. This is the response:
"I don't know what he is talking about "voter cards". We were handed two long
ballots inside a manilla file folder. The ballots being longer than the folder
were protruding top and bottom from the folder. After I voted, I placed the two
ballots inside the folder and walked to the ballot box. We were told to place
our ballots into the box (the poll worker did not touch them) and told to place
the empty folder on top of the machine. The poll worker would have seen the
second ballot. I don't believe "Shark Tank" theory. It would require voters
walking out the door with the second page of the ballot."

Posted by: poplicola at November 13, 2012 10:22 AM (sKCqV)






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