FBI Agents "Outraged" That Compromised CIA Director Was Left In Place For Months, To Avoid Political Problems

Impeachment is a matter of time.

I realize that will be unsuccessful, as far as removal from office. But at some point you have to make the point.

Still, the White House, with concurrence by the FBI and Justice Department [go figure on that-- ace], held off on asking for Petraeus’ resignation until after the election. His resignation occurred three days after the election, avoiding the possibility that Obama’s ill-fated appointment of Petraeus could become an issue in the election.

FBI agents on the case were aware that such a decision had been made to hold off on forcing him out until after the election and were outraged.

“The decision was made to delay the resignation apparently to avoid potential embarrassment to the president before the election,” an FBI source says. “To leave him in such a sensitive position where he was vulnerable to potential blackmail for months compromised our security and is inexcusable.”

Posted by: Ace at 02:00 PM



Comments

1 My shocked face....and all that.....

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 02:02 PM (X6akg)

2 So, was this concubine chinese or russian?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:03 PM (3Y7RV)

3 Getting re-elected, national security - that is a tough call!

Posted by: Penfold at November 10, 2012 02:04 PM (7jGlJ)

4 Oldsailors Poet: So, was this concubine chinese or russian?


Worse .. she was a main stream media reporter.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 10, 2012 02:04 PM (wYVte)

5 2014. 2014. Impeach and convict.
The truth will out.

Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2012 02:04 PM (g+kk2)

6 Arrest the usual suspects.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (sRus3)

7


Wow.

I'm not necessarily shocked that political considerations affected national security decisions, just that there was open understanding and acknowledgement that it was political cover, and everyone all the way up and down went along with it. that is the frightening part. How "loyal" (read: obedient) are these federal goons?

Posted by: imp at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (uj0ZX)

8

so, I take it that this woman is in deep trouble?

has she been charged and arrested?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (Si5xx)

9 Everything is done for political reasons with this bunch. The country's national security, the economy and its citizens be damned. And the MFM covers up for the bastards no matter what it is

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (MV5oi)

10 I'm surprised they would even care what the implications for the election would be. The media complex would've either 1) barely reported it, 2) come up with some lame excuse or 3) swept it under the rug entirely. The public at large would've gone along with it.....like they have every scandalous thing that has occurred over the last 4 years.

I hope I'm not first. I'll feel conspicuous, like I'm sitting in the front of the classroom.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (lTVJy)

11 At least they didn't say they were surprised.

Posted by: Adam at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (/YJYi)

12 Worse .. she was a main stream media reporter.
Posted by: Kristophr at November 10, 2012 02:04 PM (wYVte)

Two things bring men down. Their dicks and money. It's an old story, old as the Bible.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (3Y7RV)

13 For some reason the words to that old Loudon Wainwright III song keep coming to mind...

Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (Qzw1H)

Posted by: Adam at November 10, 2012 02:06 PM (/YJYi)

15 I bet Petreaus WANTS to testify, and will.

He had a long, distinguished career and when called to serve his country, he did so, even though it was Obama who made the call. He's probably been questioning that decision ever since.

I would be very curious to know whether he actually ever bought into the attacks on the Gainsville preacher or the filmmaker.

He's human, and makes mistakes, and is subject to weakness as are the rest of us. I'm just still not willing to lay the "Betrayus" label on him yet.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM (piMMO)

16 Doesn't matter. Free condoms.

Posted by: real joe at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM (nC1Nf)

17 Adam, I think ace did it correcting the first part of the box quote.....we can't fix it.

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM (X6akg)

18 Impeachment is a matter of time.

I realize that will be unsuccessful, as far as removal from office. But at some point you have to make the point.


That point started 4 years ago ... but, better late than never, I guess, even if it's too, too late. Barky has committed over 40 separate impeachable acts - most obviously and transparently so - starting with his illegal and repulsive 2008 largest campaign rally in a foreign nation to his simple ineligibility to all of the criminal and treasonous acts since.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM (X3lox)

19 Impeachment, maybe. Removal from office -- not a chance. That takes 67 Senators to convict him.

See Clinton, William Jefferson.

It would be a nice touch though. Our last two Dem prezzies, Impeachgated.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM (ccXZP)

20 Impeaching Obama will provoke calm and reasonable protests from his supporters.

They will gather to discuss the merits of both sides and will provide snacks and beverages free of charge.

All will be encouraged to come.

I say bring it.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM (sRus3)

21 This fits into a larger narrative that could very easily, and convincingly play into impeachment.

The dots just need connected...

They won't have the luxury of saying that it was all about sex this time around... it would need to to be the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Posted by: phil at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM (QzdcC)

22 Adam, I think ace did it correcting the first part of the box quote.....we can't fix it.


Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM (X6akg)

Yeah I didn't notice every comment was like that until I tried to fix it.

Posted by: Adam at November 10, 2012 02:08 PM (/YJYi)

23 Obstruction of justice from the White House. Imagine that.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 10, 2012 02:08 PM (xtS2H)

24 The article wonders what other shoes will drop? You won't hear a pin drop, let alone a shoe.

Posted by: DebZeppelin at November 10, 2012 02:08 PM (/8gSG)

25 FBI agents on the case were aware that such a decision had been made to hold off on forcing him out until after the election and were outraged.

But ... none of them resigned and went to the press or anything. I guess it was "moderate outrage".

Fuckers. All of them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 10, 2012 02:08 PM (X3lox)

26 italics tab is open

Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2012 02:09 PM (g+kk2)

27 closed

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:09 PM (piMMO)

28 italics tab is open at end of article in box

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 10, 2012 02:09 PM (feFL6)

29 Hell, the italics are in the post, not the comments section.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:10 PM (piMMO)

30 zzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: The MSM, Temporarily Preoccupied With Sarah Palin's Email at November 10, 2012 02:10 PM (QKKT0)

31 Awww. Somebody fixed it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:10 PM (piMMO)

32 There is a story linked on Drudge about a black judge re-elected in Chicago despite being suspended and charged for assaulting a cop and despite having many years of poor performance. There will be no successful impeachment. They don't care. They just don't care.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 10, 2012 02:11 PM (VlXYw)

33 "[A]n FBI source says the investigation began when American intelligence
mistook an email Petraeus had sent to his girlfriend as a reference to
corruption.
Petraeus was commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan from
July 4, 2010 until July 18, 2011."



WTH? What was in THAT e-mail?!

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 02:11 PM (X6akg)

34 FKN Canadians.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:11 PM (3Y7RV)

35 Betrayed.

Abandoned.

Murdered.

Just add precious bodily fluids and stir.

Look. Pudding!

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:11 PM (sRus3)

36 Wow she is eye-fucking the hell out of him in that pic

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 10, 2012 02:11 PM (NzBQO)

37
zzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: The MSM, Temporarily Preoccupied With Sarah Palin's Email at November 10, 2012 02:10 PM (QKKT0)



Bingo. If this were a Republican administration the MFM would be foaming at the mouth over this but their boyfriend gets a pass on everything

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2012 02:11 PM (MV5oi)

38 P.S. post #217 in the USMC thread I mentioned this Powerline post. Please sire may I have a hat-tip?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 10, 2012 02:12 PM (xtS2H)

39
We are in real danger now. People havebecome numb to all the rule breaking and improper policy decisions. Obama can do most anything and get away with it. The due to the media covering for him.

The media runs this country. And the media are socialist enablers.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 10, 2012 02:12 PM (jTKU5)

40 Hey, we care, we care deeply...they're down to the final contestants on Dancing with the Stars and American Idol starts up again in January, right? Who says the American public isn't interested and involved in things that matter...

Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at November 10, 2012 02:13 PM (Qzw1H)

41 Hahaha. It's Deja Vu all over again.

John Deutch. Clinton pardoned him on Clinton's last day in office.

Posted by: mrp at November 10, 2012 02:14 PM (HjPtV)

42 They won't have the luxury of saying that it was all about sex this
time around... it would need to to be the soft bigotry of low
expectations.


I expect they'll find that Petraeus is 1/32nd black. Then it's all about........RACISM!

Posted by: pep at November 10, 2012 02:14 PM (6TB1Z)

43 "inexcusable"....been hearing that a lot...since September.

Posted by: BignJames at November 10, 2012 02:15 PM (j7iSn)

44 Burn it down.

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2012 02:15 PM (kpCLl)

45 ..we can't fix it.

---/

Much like the economy, the Justice Department, the Supreme Court ...

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 10, 2012 02:15 PM (VlXYw)

46
This is just something for us to gnaw on while Obama raises taxes and raises the debt ceiling.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 10, 2012 02:15 PM (jUytm)

47 Hey, we care, we care deeply...they're down to the final contestants on
Dancing with the Stars and American Idol starts up again in January,
right? Who says the American public isn't interested and involved in
things that matter...


***

I sometimes watch mindless t.v. just as an escape from the news and politics. My current rotation includes:

Fox News
Cartoon Network/Adult Swim
Pron
The Voice
Project Runway

Sometimes you just need an escape.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:16 PM (piMMO)

48 44 Burn it down.
Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2012 02:15 PM (kpCLl)

That's what Mrs. Sailor says but I'm thinking we need to block and tackle until we gat another shot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:16 PM (3Y7RV)

49 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 10, 2012 02:07 PM

Amen.

Nixon was set to be impeached on multiple counts before he short-circuited the process by resigning. Not 40 counts, IIRC, but at least four or five.

For a good example of how low the nation has sunk since those days, our current corrupt, treasonous president is staunchly protected by both his own party and the Republicans. (Blackdemocratium, and all that.) Nixon was advised by staunch partisans on his side that they would vote to impeach if he didn't do the right thing and hang it up.

Nixon was, in my view, one of the worst crooks ever to soil the reputation of the presidency. Choom Boy has taken him out of that category.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 10, 2012 02:16 PM (yKUrR)

50 Overhear in my local WalMart ...

"Four more year of no hope, no jobs, and no chance of tax abatement"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 10, 2012 02:16 PM (e8kgV)

51 "We are in real danger now. People havebecome numb to all the rule breaking and improper policy decisions."

And that is the real legacy of William Jefferson Clinton.

Posted by: Filly at November 10, 2012 02:17 PM (W9cj6)

52 This really all began when Clinton got away with perjury. "The Death of Outrage" as Bob Bennett called it.

When people said, "meh, I don't care about rule of law. I care about my standard of living" is when all the bullshit began.

The only law is what you can get away with.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 02:17 PM (uhAkr)

53 Woooohooooo! We get to talk about sex under the desk now.

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:18 PM (0PiQ4)

54 "We are in real danger now. People have become numb to all the rule breaking and improper policy decisions."


Thus the coming middle class anarchy. Why the hell should anyone play by the rules? All that happens is that you pay for those who refuse to do so.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 10, 2012 02:19 PM (Gk3SS)

55 That's the problem. The whole gov't is corrupt. Fuck, JJJ got reelected while in a mental ward.

Posted by: Infidel at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (Vk6ZI)

56 You could announce to the Nation all the facts about Benghazi and nothing would happen to Ebola.

The Senate would not convict him and the sheep would give the House back to the Democrats in 2014.

The Machine is rigged.

Let the asteroid hit.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (sRus3)

57 OT, but am I the only person who watches the Worx commercials and feels she needs every single item they make, including the Jawsaw?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (piMMO)

58
Thus the coming middle class anarchy. Why the hell should anyone play by the rules? All that happens is that you pay for those who refuse to do so.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 10, 2012 02:19 PM (Gk3SS)


Yep, FK em, work for cash.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (3Y7RV)

59 If you can't win an election, you can't win an impeachment.

We have to win an election by a fucking 20% margin. No more small-ball bullshit. And the only way we do that is if US electorate feels the full effect of their choices.

They choose not be be skeptical of MSM reports.

They choose to believe every shred of stupid propaganda.

They choose to ignore our message, however poorly it was presented.

They want and deserve another four years of the supreme arrogance, danger, and destruction that is to come.

No more playing fireman for the Left.

Bring the thunder, bring the shit-storm. Let it burn.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (SX6wc)

60
Here is our future, possibly.

First, you need to understand why Romney lost. Also, you need to understand why we did so well in 2010.

People became comfortable with 8-10% unemployment, high gas prices, and a lousy housing market. There was no sense of urgency to oust Obama. The New Normal.

People like Obama, and the general perception is a) Obama is holding things together, and b) Obama didn't burn the place down in the last four years, so I don't understand why the Right have been running around saying Obama's destroying the country.

People really believed that Obama "pulled us from the brink of depression." The lie was repeated often enough, it became the perception. Things could be worse, the people believe.

We ended up with millions of indifferent voters on both sides of the spectrum. The indifferent voters are in the middle, they lean right or lean left. A lot of them sat out the election, mostly because they didn't see a good reason to change presidents. They are complacent and generally satisfied with the status quo. The urgency we, the conservative base, felt was strong but not shared with the entire right-leaning side of the political spectrum.

In 2010 we won big because turnout was low for the Democrats, partly because they underestimated our turnout and partly because their "leaners" were still satisfied with the results in 2008 and become indifferent. Our "wave" was really just red areas on the map becoming redder, with a few purple-area flips here and there, plus two big upsets in WI and IL for the Senate.

Now we what to do?

Well, we all seem to agree that our outlook for our economy is bleak. If we are lucky (and if Obama is lucky) things will remain the same. But that's not how things happen. It's more likely that our economy will worsen. All the evidence shows were headed for an economic slowdown.

The people might be complacent with $3.50/gal gas and 8% unemployment, but for how much longer? If unemployment ticks up, the natives, I guarantee, will become restless. Indifference will turn into close inspection. All eyes will be on Obama.

So what?

2014, that's what. Mid-terms are usually unkind for the incumbent, especially when the economy is sour. I foresee very low turnout for the Democrats in 2014. A repeat of 2010 is very possible for the very same reasons as 2010.

The goal here is to save the republic, right? Have something left to salvage in 2016, yes?

Okay, so what we need is a weak Obama. The economy will weaken Obama, plus our entire health care system is about to be turned on its head. Plus, tax hikes. Plus, regulations on the energy industry that will, necessarily, cause prices to skyrocket. Plus, gun grabbing and other UN nonsense.

If we can duplicate in 2014 what we did in 2010, we make Obama a lame duck. This will not stop Obama, but his political capital account will be bankrupt.

There are 20 D-held seats up in 2014. We have opportunities in Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Iowa (if Harkin retires), Louisiana, Montana, North Carolina, South Dakota, and Virginia.

If we get 6 out of those 10, we win the Senate. (Please, save your bitching about so-cons, you sound like cranks. You said your peace; you made your points, now stow it.) Plus we can pick up at least a dozen House seats.

If we do this, Obama is a lame duck. And, guess what else, we can hold off on Court picks until Obama leaves!

oh, by the way, Al Franken is up in 2014, too. He should be challenged. No sense in just rolling over because it's Minnesota. MN can be unpredictable sometimes. Norm Coleman can probably beat Franken...again.

In 2016, the probable D nominees are Cuomo and Deval Patrick. These two are beatable. They're not Obama, who, we now have to all admit, is the best campaign candidate we'll ever see. He won by selling the people a vision. In other words, he sold hot air...and won...twice.

So that's one possible future for us. But we have to start now. Recruit candidates, rallies, and we must keep the House GOP in line.

If the House GOP caves, we will lose in 2014 and we'll be looking back at 2012 as the good ol days when at least we had a little power in Washington.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (jUytm)

61 Inexcusable? It's totally excusable to leave a compromised CIA director in office if you're an Obama supporter. Bringing it up could have hurt Obama's reelection chances. If the liberals haven't excused it yet, just ask. They will.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (27tUc)

62 Breaking news that's a top AoS priority:http://tinyurl.com/aym7df9

Posted by: DAve at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (XDC0v)

63 Whelp, maybe now that it's "just about sex", people will actually start to pay attention.

Not holding my breath, however.

Posted by: Filly at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (W9cj6)

64 Even without Clinton, the MFM was never in a million years going to call out our unprecedented, historic first black president.
Hope that doesn't get me banned.

Posted by: real joe at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (nC1Nf)

65 That's what Mrs. Sailor says but I'm thinking we need to block and tackle until we gat another shot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:16 PM (3Y7RV)
Mrs. Sailor is probably right, but until an entire week has passed since the Tuesday Debacle, I'm gonna stay in my crazy place.

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (kpCLl)

66 12
Worse .. she was a main stream media reporter.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 10, 2012 02:04 PM (wYVte)



Two things bring men down. Their dicks and money. It's an old story, old as the Bible.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (3Y7RV)A dear old friend of mine said to Me "That's what you get thinking with your little Head"
And in this case I must agree

Posted by: Ms.M at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (+qScL)

67 That's the problem. The whole gov't is corrupt. Fuck, JJJ got reelected while in a mental ward.


****

But, aha!

http://tinyurl.com/bjdgm5n

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (piMMO)

68 We're fools if we keep playing by the rules.
Screw 'em.

Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (g+kk2)

69 Ace -- do we really trust anything sourced from NewsMax? Really?

Not saying it didn't go down this way -- hell, I'm always ready to believe the worst about the Obama administration -- but I'll need to see more.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 10, 2012 02:21 PM (D9z3D)

70 Oh, shit, I got that backwards.

Posted by: Peaches at November 10, 2012 02:21 PM (kpCLl)

71 Important question that needs to be answered:

Why under the desk?

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:21 PM (0PiQ4)

72 No way the JEF gets impeached. He's got the senate, media, Hollywood etc. in his pocket. Libtards elected him knowing he's a scoamf. Well they won't admit it anyway. They elected Jesse Jr who's in the nuthouse. A guy who is in prod ion and this POS. impeachment. Not a chance.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 10, 2012 02:21 PM (bXdYS)

73 Damn those socons for urging married men to have affairs!

Posted by: Gerry at November 10, 2012 02:21 PM (+lJ43)

74 re: "I'm surprised they would even care what the implications for the election would be."

They didn't and they don't. They know there are no such implications. This is an administration of assholes, not idiots (except for Obama, who's both).

But it's an irresistible story they've given us, isn't it? Hero with one human weakness we all share, pushed down onto his own sword RIGHT BEFORE he could blow the whistle on...

Bullshit.

That's exactly what didn't happen. What happened? No idea. (Well, not much of one.) But it's *not* what the info-drip is crafted to make you think it is.

Remember, Petraeus is an Islamophilic appeaser. He was going to hold the "We couldn't attack this well-justified protest against American bigotry" line when he testified. That's who he is.

That, and a desperate "beta" stalker who's into manly chicks. Coincidentally.

So...WTF? I can't imagine how we could find out. Not for at least a few decades. By then, who cares? It's just an anecdote.

So...mock the dude for being a weird pussy and forget about it? Might as well. Can't get anywhere from here.

Posted by: oblig. at November 10, 2012 02:21 PM (cePv8)

75 "Why the hell
should anyone play by the rules?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 10, 2012 02:19 PM (Gk3SS)"

Because they will be enforced when it comes to us.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 02:22 PM (uhAkr)

76 Nixon was set to be impeached on multiple counts before he short-circuited the process by resigning. Not 40 counts, IIRC, but at least four or five.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 10, 2012 02:16 PM (yKUrR)


But with Nixon, all of those counts were related to the same event. With Barky, each count is separate and about something totally unrelated to anything else. It's truly incredible the level of total lawlessness this "nation" has put up with, from the very start. And Barky blew well past Nixon even before his inauguration with the aforementioned foreign campaigning, illegal campaign donations that make the Watergate slush fund of half a mill look like petty cash, vote rigging with ACORN ("mistakenly" reported as "lighting expenses"), outing the private information of Joe the Plumber (we all should know, at this point, that Barky's campaign clearly had a hand in all that) - all of which put Watergate to shame even before Barky slimed into office and started the really criminal and un-Constitutional actions.

And it's not as if any of this was kept secret, which is the most offensive part.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 10, 2012 02:22 PM (X3lox)

77 Why under the desk?


****

I'm gonna take a shot and say that only she was under the desk.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:23 PM (piMMO)

78 50% don't care. They're now busy applying for free shit. The other 50% are scrambling trying save as much of their private property as possible.

Impeachment is a non-starter, unfortunately.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 02:23 PM (mUr1V)

79 Obama might be impeached-although Highly unlikely, but we will never be removed from office. The best bet would be for the narcissist to decide he wants to resign to "spend time with his family" (ie, go on highly paid speaking engagements and not actually do any work associated with the Presidency). We would then get Biden who despite his gaffes I doubt could be worse than Obama. Biden at least was raised here and doesn't seem to want to bring down America the way Obama does.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2012 02:24 PM (dqNUA)

80 But at some point you have to make the point.

And we're just the guys to do it.

Posted by: Delta House (of Representatives) at November 10, 2012 02:24 PM (QTHTd)

81 Forget that..

That HOney BoO bOO, she's a hoot isn't she?

Posted by: Bruce at November 10, 2012 02:24 PM (z4eur)

82
"Why the hell

should anyone play by the rules?


****

And I'm not willing to concede morality and the rule of law. (Pron be damned)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:24 PM (piMMO)

83 Important question that needs to be answered:

Why under the desk?
Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:21 PM (0PiQ4)

She was looking for his stapler.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:25 PM (sRus3)

84 I'm gonna take a shot and say that only she was under the desk.

Sorry, I was distracted. I heard "take a shot" and "she was under the desk".

Posted by: "All In" Petraeus at November 10, 2012 02:25 PM (QTHTd)

85 Impeachment is a matter of time.

I realize that will be unsuccessful, as far as removal from office. But at some point you have to make the point.


Or, you would want to make a point, if you were not perfectly happy with the status quo.

Posted by: Truman North at November 10, 2012 02:26 PM (pVXUu)

86 62 Breaking news that's a top AoS priority:http://tinyurl.com/aym7df9
Posted by: DAve at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (XDC0v)

Did someone let DAve into the clique?

Posted by: Comrade Scobface at November 10, 2012 02:26 PM (IoNBC)

87 In truly important news, I am catching a cold. The whining, it will be epic.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 10, 2012 02:26 PM (Gk3SS)

88 We're fools if we keep playing by the rules. Screw 'em.
Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM (g+kk2)


--------------------------------------


You're right. We've become a lawless nation. Fuck 'em. I've got to start thinking of scams to suck the tit dry.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 02:27 PM (mUr1V)

89 I sometimes watch mindless t.v. just as an escape from the news and politics. My current rotation includes.

---

I've been disappointed in Fringe this season generally because of the new story line concerning a future US being occupied by a foreign power and because the good guys are too free and easy about killing people. Now I'm more sympathetic to the story line and even to their tactics.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 10, 2012 02:27 PM (VlXYw)

90 NDH we're not far fom the whole Country being Chi town. Who do you think will replace him? Another corrupt pol. Marion Barry.

Posted by: Infidel at November 10, 2012 02:27 PM (XvVhw)

91 "impeachment."
Obama could get caught selling our nuke codes to the Chinese and he wouldn't be impeached. Boehner doesn't have the balls, McConnell doesn't have the votes, the American people don't have the courage and the GOP doesn't have a death wish.

Posted by: Sam in VA at November 10, 2012 02:28 PM (YCvRs)

92 Get well soon, alex.

Over here the snow is coming down "All In".

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 10, 2012 02:28 PM (QTHTd)

93 Impeachment is a matter of time.

Well, no. The House Republicans are pretty much all a bunch of spineless gimps, so this isn't going to happen. But I have to admit that a Joey Sippy Cup administration would be a real hoot.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 10, 2012 02:29 PM (ggDD6)

94 You're right. We've become a lawless nation. Fuck 'em. I've got to start thinking of scams to suck the tit dry.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 02:27 PM (mUr1V)

I wish there was direct action to take.

Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2012 02:29 PM (g+kk2)

95 Obama beat Romney by only 76k votes in Florida.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:29 PM (piMMO)

96 2 So, was this concubine chinese or russian?

The question is - was she hired by China, Russia or the Islamists??? My bet is the Islamists are swarming within the government. Who will be next to be taken down. Go see the movie "Salt".....

Posted by: izoneguy at November 10, 2012 02:29 PM (oKH8p)

97 Well, it began with a terrorist attack versus a fund raiser...

Posted by: Lynne at November 10, 2012 02:29 PM (coNWF)

98 Well, no. The House Republicans are pretty much all a bunch of spineless
gimps, so this isn't going to happen. But I have to admit that a Joey
Sippy Cup administration would be a real hoot.


****

Not all of them., We just need the right ones in place to rally the base.

Speaker Gowdy anyone?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:30 PM (piMMO)

99 50% don't care. They're now busy applying for free shit. The other 50% are scrambling trying save as much of their private property as possible.

Impeachment is a non-starter, unfortunately.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 02:23 PM (mUr1V)


It's not that 50% don't care. A goodly number of them actually hate America and are gung ho about putting this nation to death. Most of Barky's supporters actively desire to exact revenge on America (what used to be America, at least) and care very much about destroying this nation. They are not apathetic. Quite the opposite. They are enemies of civilization.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 10, 2012 02:30 PM (X3lox)

100 How "loyal" (read: obedient) are these federal goons?



Posted by: imp at November 10, 2012 02:05 PM (uj0ZX)

Loyal enough, as it turns out.

Posted by: KG at November 10, 2012 02:30 PM (IPz9m)

101 The question is - was she hired by China, Russia or the Islamists??? My
bet is the Islamists are swarming within the government. Who will be
next to be taken down. Go see the movie "Salt".....


****

I really like that movie. I would like it more if Jolie didn't look like an anorexic.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:31 PM (piMMO)

102 The General is the head of the CIA and doesn't know that his thousands (really? Thousands?) of emails are a paper trail? What a dumbass. Now we know why we didn't see Libya coming. The good general was in her labia cumming.

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:31 PM (0PiQ4)

103 Anybody want to play "If this was Bush" game?

Posted by: MoKim at November 10, 2012 02:31 PM (kprEX)

104 I wish there was direct action to take.
Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2012 02:29 PM (g+kk2)

Oh there is. But it would prolly cost you your life. Then again, Free America would write songs about you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:32 PM (3Y7RV)

105 And it's not as if any of this was kept secret, which is the most offensive part.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 10, 2012 02:22 PM


Anyone who can process the amount of logic God gave turtles should understand that with Choom Boy it's a tip-of-the-iceberg thing. If there is one well-known felony, there surely are ten others currently hidden away.

I am not as sanguine as Ace is about any movement toward impeachment happening though, for all that I have called for such an action regularly since January, 2009. No sooner will some conservative grow a pair and proclaim his support for sending Osama Obama off to the showers than the "in fairness" brigade will start in on telling us why the "optics" (or some other buzzword-y shit) are bad.

When people choose to protect their spot on Blogger's Row at the expense of legality, morality and Constitutionality, they should reconsider their careers. And we should ignore the gutless cowards.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 10, 2012 02:32 PM (yKUrR)

106 That's the problem. The whole gov't is corrupt. Fuck, JJJ got reelected while in a mental ward.



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:20 PM

I got better.

Posted by: JJJJJJJJ at November 10, 2012 02:32 PM (rzTDZ)

107 Hi! Okay I'm in AC today (Atlantic City). The absolute depth of blue-state immoral morass.

Having fun, too!

But wow is it dead here. there really was no significant damage that I can see. The part of the boards that broke free was already rotten, and up by the mess of the Inlet.

Anyway had a thought - ever hear the saying "He can't win for losing"? I mean I'm sure you have.

I am looking around and seriously, the lowest common denominator here. Yes, they will try to drag us all down. No, they will not succeed.

All the gov't cheese in the world won't save these people from themselves. They will self-destruct.

Live your life, keep your moral compass, take care of your loved ones, and wait it out. This country is too big to really go Argentina. It will possibly have to break up, but that's not even a bad result.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 10, 2012 02:33 PM (az6Li)

108
I've been disappointed in Fringe this season
generally because of the new story line concerning a future US being
occupied by a foreign power and because the good guys are too free and
easy about killing people. Now I'm more sympathetic to the story line
and even to their tactics.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 10, 2012 02:27 PM (VlXYw)


yeah, Fringe totally lost direction. I'm a big fan of Person of Interest (aka Kick Ass Jesus) and Burn Notice. Nikita is going to have problems because she's management, but wants to be a rebel.

Posted by: Iblis at November 10, 2012 02:33 PM (g+kk2)

109 The only way impeachment might work is if the Senate gets scared. The only way that could happen is there is a threat of mass civil disobedience to back it up.

And I'm not talking about "Tea Party" rallies of 50 year old fatties showing up for a big picnic. I'm talking about huelga general.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 10, 2012 02:33 PM (QTHTd)

110 I bet I'll be a big hit in prison, dancing around naked doing karate moves in the showers!

Posted by: Jessi Jackson, Jr. at November 10, 2012 02:34 PM (/YJYi)

111 There is a way to make this more palatable to even Obama voters....

Unfortunately, it requires taking a lead from Oliver Stone and directing the narrative to how libs should be afraid of Obama.

The body county and drones play into it.

Posted by: phil at November 10, 2012 02:34 PM (QzdcC)

112 Obama beat Romney by only 76k deleted, "lost" or mislaidvotes in Florida.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:29 PM


FIFY

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 10, 2012 02:34 PM (yKUrR)

113 What - Is Petraeus trying to one up slick Willie???
When is that book from Monica L coming out??
Should have some good dirt on Hillary that we can rub in their faces....
We have to get the jump on Slick Willie & Hillary.....
We need some hot lesbos to go down on Hillary....
Maybe get some video of Slick Willie & Hillary with some gay guys in a four way????

Posted by: izoneguy at November 10, 2012 02:34 PM (oKH8p)

114 Impeaching Obama is folly because it will never get him kicked out and will be turned against us. He will be made to look like the victim.

Instead we should work to change the way he is perceived. Use the facts and questions about Benghazi in a propaganda campaign against him and his allies.

Laws don't count. Propaganda is the only thing that woks in this war. That is what the Democrats do right in front of us and we can't see it or won't believe it.

It is all about images and the reflex emotions they invoke. You can never defeat the Democrats by relying on the Law. Never.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:34 PM (sRus3)

115 Obama beat Romney by only 76k deleted, "lost" or mislaidvotes in Florida.




Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:29 PM

FIFY


****

The words that keep playing in my mind are "We've banked enough votes..."

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:34 PM (piMMO)

116 "It's not that 50% don't care. A goodly number of them actually hate
America and are gung ho about putting this nation to death. Most of
Barky's supporters actively desire to exact revenge on America (what
used to be America, at least) and care very much about destroying this
nation. They are not apathetic. Quite the opposite. They are enemies
of civilization."




Good. Bring it on. They would bring about their own destruction.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 10, 2012 02:35 PM (8JpQH)

117 Alex--
COLD-EEZ! You'll still suffer a bit but it will curbstomp the virus in its crib. Apply non-stop until the excuse to whine ceases

Posted by: Filly at November 10, 2012 02:35 PM (W9cj6)

118 Eman. Hahahahahaaaaaa. She was looking for his stapler.

I think he nailed her with it

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:35 PM (0PiQ4)

119
Impeachment? Though I'd love to see it, you're delusional (and I mean that in the nicest, friendliest brother-loving way). After Slick Willie got his Little Willie wet, with the Republicans suffering more from impeachment than he did, hiding embarassing information until after the election so as to improve his chances of election is as nothing. Besides, the voters already *knew* Obama tried to hide embarassing information until after the election; 51% voted for him anyway. I agree this is worse by a degree, but in the media it will devolve to "So what? We knew about Benghazi, and it's all about sex anyway." And that will be that.
Besides, it would be racist to impeach the First Black President (TM).
And Boehner would point out, correctly, that it's a distraction from the real business at hand, which is working out a Grand Bargain on the budget with a guy whose idea ofbipartisanship is "you agree with my position, and my position is then bipartisan."
Gutless or gutful, the Congress is not going to do a damn thing besides scold.

Posted by: Zumkopf at November 10, 2012 02:35 PM (Fmlu9)

120 The Constitutional Union of American States

No dems allowed. Borders and interior law actually enforced, the serious way that international borders and national sovereignty are supposed to be - even as the American Socialist Superstate descends into its, now, inevitable maoist style and makes life pure hell for the idiots left in it. Fuck them. They fucked America and are deserving of no mercy, at all. Just judgment; the judgment rendered on Sodom and Gomorrah.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 10, 2012 02:35 PM (X3lox)

121
Most Transparent Administration EVAH!!!

Which is why we knew about the drone before the election... er.... which is why Fast and Furious docs are public... ummmm... which is why we knew about a plane shot down in Libya prosecuting an illegal war.... errrr... which is why there were controls placed on Obama's campaign contributions....

Folks.... we have an out of control Federal Government.... and Congress cannot, and will not, do anything about it....

Read the Founders writings on this subject.... enough.... said....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 10, 2012 02:36 PM (RMCS5)

122
Hmmm! Compromise national security? Would you all get a clue!
There hasn't been a liberal fascist Democrat in the Oval Office not guily of the same other than, possibly, Harry Truman and the Peanut Farmer and I wouldn't bet on that. The only presidents I wouldn't question are Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, BushI, and Bush II...while in office. Before...sure, especially in the case of Eisenhower where it's well documented.
Roosevelt, Kennedy, Billy Blow Job, and who the hells knows about Obama and his male freinds.

Posted by: RiverRat at November 10, 2012 02:36 PM (NRQJk)

123 I'm watching Amy Lee sing "What you want" on you tube. Always makes me feel better.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:37 PM (3Y7RV)

124 The Shootist on AMC at 1445.

If anyone is in the mood for a good cry.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 02:37 PM (piMMO)

125 77

Yeah, I think he shot too. I hope he came on her face.

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:37 PM (0PiQ4)

126 All those layoffs were delayed until after the election as well. And Iran firing at a drone was sat on by the press. It doesn't matter much since free riders and gravy trainers don't work anyway and think all the world loves us because we elected the rockstar messiah.

Posted by: glorious socialst utopia at November 10, 2012 02:38 PM (Kflw4)

127 President Joe Biden. Oh. My. God.

Posted by: starboardhelm at November 10, 2012 02:38 PM (hHgxI)

128 Remember when the United States sold arms to Iran (who used them to fight Iraq) and used the money to support anti-communist rebels in Nicaragua?

I mean, that was REALLY bad...

...right?

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2012 02:38 PM (Uht19)

129 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 10, 2012 02:26 PM (Gk3SS)

Sorry to hear about your cold AtC. Here, have a poll (in my sig).

It's sure to make you crankier -- SMOD is not polling well at all.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2012 02:39 PM (ccXZP)

130 Impeachment my ass, we'll be lucky if we're not all arrested for heresy.

MFM delenda est.

Investigate vote fraud or surrender.

If you burn it down, you won't control what happens next any more than the useful idiots on the other side.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 10, 2012 02:39 PM (DYWM0)

131

Here's the thing...

The clues were there...in Benghazi...that terrorists were planning something.
Big clues.
Clues so big, it's like there were neon signs pointing to them.

The Brits and the Red Cross, both took note of those clues...and left.

So Petraeus, as head of the CIA should've known how dangerous it was for our people there.
Did he make recommendations that were ignored?
Did he try to do something, and was overruled?

Catherine Herridge with Fox, keeps mentioning this "Timeline" that Petraeus put forth last week...
She said that the White House was "disturbed" about this timeline.

It seems to me, that Petraeus has a choice to make.
Tell the truth about Benghazi...or be a scapegoat for what happened.

Question is...does Congress have the power to grant him immunity for his testamony?

Posted by: wheatie at November 10, 2012 02:39 PM (ICEh3)

132 eman - You can never defeat the Democrats by relying on the Law. Never.

Hasten to add here - obey the law, sure (with the exception of ObamaCare; that should be our first huelga).. But don't rely upon the law.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 10, 2012 02:39 PM (QTHTd)

133 Wait wait hold everything Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber just broke up!!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 10, 2012 02:40 PM (NzBQO)

134 I hate to be mean...

But--some a* hole friend of mine just sent me this video and said--

Look at the side muscle by her MOUTH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emq_y6JA7pM


omg--LMAO!

Have you guys ever seen a muscle like that in a gals...face!?

Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2012 02:40 PM (r2PLg)

135 It is like the world is conspiring me to eat crow at every opportunity. Things like this make it much harder for me to sell people on "there is no conspiracy."

Posted by: Matt S. at November 10, 2012 02:40 PM (7oWbB)

136 <<People became comfortable with 8-10% unemployment, high gas prices, and a
lousy housing market. There was no sense of urgency to oust Obama. The
New Normal.[snip rest of post]>>

Wrong.

They just didn't like Romney.

The man got 2% LESS of the Mormon vote than Bush got!

Three million right-voting citizens stayed home.

The man was simply not electable.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2012 02:40 PM (Uht19)

137 Methinks That we need to see these sexually explicit emails or it didn't happen.

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:41 PM (0PiQ4)

138 The Shootist on AMC at 1445

Wayne's best film.
"I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I
don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them"

good philosophy

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 10, 2012 02:41 PM (BAnPT)

139 Posted by: RiverRat at November 10, 2012 02:36 PM

I would question the hell out of Nixon. In his own way, he caused considerable damage to our country with his idiotic China policy. And there was, allegedly, this Chinese babe he got some from....

Still, Choom Boy is, in my view, the first president to actively commit treason. Add the numerous examples of that to his other felonies (not to mention those "high crimes and misdemeanors") and, unless he got the second coming of the OJ Simpson jury, he'd be out of office so fast his butt would burn from the friction.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 10, 2012 02:41 PM (yKUrR)

140 The man was simply not electable.
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2012 02:40 PM (Uht19)

So many of us screamed it but no one listened.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:41 PM (3Y7RV)

141 I disagree ace, it is excusable. Because his voters wont fucking care. They excuse it.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 10, 2012 02:42 PM (++kZl)

142 COLD-EEZ! You'll still suffer a bit but it will curbstomp the virus in
its crib. Apply non-stop until the excuse to whine ceases



But whining is my favorite thing to do!


I'll have to pick up some coldeez, I really hate being sick.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 10, 2012 02:42 PM (Gk3SS)

143
Dude gets in trouble over some gal?
Welcome to the club.

Posted by: Paris Of Troy at November 10, 2012 02:42 PM (1PE/J)

144 President Joseph Robinette Biden

Posted by: heh at November 10, 2012 02:42 PM (bKX6s)

145 Wait wait hold everything Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber just broke up!!
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 10, 2012 02:40 PM (NzBQO)

I heard he gave a Britney Spears binder for her birthday.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:42 PM (sRus3)

146 re Iran/Contra - I mean, that was REALLY bad...

Interesting you mention that. Yes, it was awful, to arm the Khomeini regime. It would have been impeachable. And still - Reagan did not get impeached, despite the 1987-8 Dem Senate, and none of it hurt Bush Senior (basically the acting President) in 1988.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 10, 2012 02:42 PM (QTHTd)

147 I am not as sanguine as Ace is about any movement toward impeachment happening though, for all that I have called for such an action regularly since January, 2009. No sooner will some conservative grow a pair and proclaim his support for sending Osama Obama off to the showers than the "in fairness" brigade will start in on telling us why the "optics" (or some other buzzword-y shit) are bad.


--------------------------------------------------


It's the same thing as his power with Petraeus. If Baraka doesn't want to be impeached, he won't be impeached.

Yes, I'm afraid he has most all the power now. The US is now ruled by a dictator back up by countless minions.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 02:42 PM (mUr1V)

148 I wouldn't waste the time trying impeach him. If that much shit comes out, we're better off just using it to club him and the rest of the Dems repeatly over the head and use it for 2014 and 2016. Try to impeach and the media will just make us look like the bad ones. Use Dem tactics against them.

Posted by: Pete at November 10, 2012 02:43 PM (YfttB)

149 "130 Impeachment my ass, we'll be lucky if we're not all arrested for heresy.

MFM delenda est."

Yeah, I think given the way Benghazi has gone so far, impeachment on this is kind of unlikely. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't complain, but it's not goin to happen.

Posted by: AD at November 10, 2012 02:43 PM (qiQSh)

150 omg--LMAO!



Have you guys ever seen a muscle like that in a gals...face!?


Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2012 02:40 PM


Those are sucking muscles. She must do 100 suck ups a day.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 10, 2012 02:43 PM (BAnPT)

151 The man was simply not electable

I keep saying this: Republicans are not electable. The party needs to be disbanded.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 10, 2012 02:43 PM (QTHTd)

152 "Impeachment is a matter of time."

I doubt it. He'll get a free pass. He always gets a free pass. Holding him, or Holder for that matter, is racist.

Look at the Benghazzi outrage. The people were abandoned and what did the liberal media focus on?
Romney's statement.
Not the misleading rhetoric about some stupid youtube causing it.
Not about the fact that those former seals waited for 7 hours for help that didn't come.
Not about the fact that after countless warnings of danger there was virtually no security.
Not about the president going to bed as a reaction to the attack on the consulate.
Not on the president's reaction to the death being to hop on his jet to go to campaign events.

He's the "first black president" and he won't be held accountable.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 10, 2012 02:44 PM (jLiVY)

153 Impeachment is a matter of time...

Even if it doesn't happen tomorrow, I am still hopeful.

I am glad to see this sentiment being kicked around.

Posted by: sTevo at November 10, 2012 02:45 PM (VMcEw)

154 OT question-I think I need to buy a gun and get trained in its use. I have never owned or used a gun and I'm a woman. What would people suggest to purchase that is lightweight and easy to use. I'm not even sure what I can purchase in the land of NJ.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 10, 2012 02:45 PM (dqNUA)

155 And, Petraeus, ever the asshole, didn't immediately resign in order to protect Obama.

For years I would hear conservatives talk about drafting Petraues, without knowing jack shit about his politics. Wise up!

Posted by: walkers! at November 10, 2012 02:46 PM (YEG/L)

156 Hang on, everyone, Do these shoes match this handbag?

Posted by: The GOP at November 10, 2012 02:46 PM (6JMZR)

157
Tell the FBI agents to take a fucking number.

Posted by: Advo at November 10, 2012 02:47 PM (1+jq5)

158 We need a Ron Paul esque party that says, "OK, WTF. Do what you want. Drugs, abortion gay marraige your free, have at it. Then totally focus on getting the financial house back in order and defending the nation. Until that happens, all the little issues are folly.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:48 PM (3Y7RV)

159 He has spent trillions and trillions of dollars of money we don't have to "fix " the economy and it is still down the crapper. Those of us who still have incomes, mine is a pension, have watched those incomes drop.

inflation of gas prices
inflation of grocery prices
skyrocketing health insurance premiums
crappy employment numbers
more people on welfare
slow economic growth

Nobody gives a shit because we have the historical first black president.

If you point out that he's a failure, you're a racist.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 10, 2012 02:48 PM (jLiVY)

160 If the GOP even seriously considers impeachment, it'll turn off just about every vacillating voter who might vote Republican in the future. It'll simply be portrayed as sour grapes.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 10, 2012 02:49 PM (spwZ/)

161 I look forward to working with Democrats as they violate the laws and destroy our country.

Barack Obama is a kind, decent man, whom I love like all good Americans should.

Posted by: John Boehner at November 10, 2012 02:49 PM (uhAkr)

162 No way he gets impeached, too many people have too much skin in the game. The first person to do this will end up with every skeleton in his or her closet laid absolutely bare. Every single bad thing you have ever done will be known within hours.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 10, 2012 02:49 PM (NzBQO)

163 1998 - IT'S JUST SEX!

2013 - REPUBLICANS ALWAYS IMPEACH A DEM PREZ BECAUSE THEY'RE SO DEVISIVE! or something


Oh well.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 10, 2012 02:50 PM (qiXMt)

164 The damn General was hypnotized by Paula's big boobs and forgot about Libya burning.

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:50 PM (0PiQ4)

165 Now is the time to pull together; and especially to support our teachers and college professors, as they inspire our kids to learn about progress.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at November 10, 2012 02:50 PM (QTHTd)

166 "We need a Ron Paul esque party that says, "OK, WTF.
Do what you want. Drugs, abortion gay marraige your free, have at it.
Then totally focus on getting the financial house back in order and
defending the nation. Until that happens, all the little issues are
folly.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 02:48 PM (3Y7RV)"
I vaguely recall someone just ran a campaign on that platform and it was a spectacular failure.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 02:50 PM (uhAkr)

167 Propaganda is the only thing that woks in this war


So are you suggesting we do like a Mao Tse Tung thing?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 10, 2012 02:50 PM (6JMZR)

168 Wow, all of these news stories just coming out after the election. As we negotiate to prevent the fiscal cliff, time to do one thing.......tax the Westboro Baptist Media into extinction.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 10, 2012 02:51 PM (OWjjx)

169 My Power is Back On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Big T Party at November 10, 2012 02:51 PM (WiQr+)

170 Just got this:













Tami,

Ann and I cannot
thank you enough for supporting and believing in our cause.

This was
more than just a campaign -- this was a national movement.

Thank you for
the work that you did -- going across neighborhoods to knock on doors and put up
yard signs. Thanks for making phone calls, coming to rallies, donating funds,
and convincing friends and family to join our team.

What's really
inspiring is that you came together because you care about America.

We
still believe that better days are ahead. It's up to us to rally together to
renew America's promise and restore American greatness.

From the bottom
of our hearts, Ann and I thank you for your support, prayers, efforts, and
vote. We are forever grateful to each and every one of you.

Today's a
new day. Keep believing in America.

Thank you and God bless
America,

Mitt and Ann
Romney

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 02:51 PM (X6akg)

171 Bengahzigate is dead. We just don't know it yet. Within a month it'll be non-history. Who's going to enforce subpeonas and/or impeachment? Dear Leader's new head of DoJ?

Bwahahahahaha!

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 02:51 PM (mUr1V)

172 Imma thinking this story is quite a bit more complicated -- while at the same time being more, um, EARTHY -- than a lot of knee-jerk Petraeus boosters want to consider.

Here's a reason for an FBI criminal investigation: stalking.

And even moreso: serious, prolonged stalking by a hugely powerful public figure.

Not "of" that figure -- BY that figure.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 10, 2012 02:51 PM (21TJo)

173 Oh FFS....pixy fix this shit!

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 02:51 PM (X6akg)

174 Impeachment is a trap.

Do not push the big red button.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:53 PM (sRus3)

175 You people are looking at this the wrong way. There will be no impeachment. You have to look at the situation through Chicago eyes. Then it all becomes obvious.They are setting Patraeus up to be the FALL GUY. Just wait, soon everyone in the Administration will be pointing fingers at the disgraced ex-General. Bengazi and everything that happened there is all on him.Hillary, Biden, and then reluctantly(oh, yeah) Obambi will confirm this. Suckers!

Posted by: lee majors at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (VDovR)

176 Oh FFS....pixy fix this shit!

No thanks.

Posted by: 51% of Pixy Voters at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (6JMZR)

177 I have a feeling we're going to have a November surprise -- and Obama will be the lone recipient of the backlash. Clinton won't take the dive.

Posted by: Cory C at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (82BFs)

178 Question...Who was it that released Petraeus' letter of resignation to the public? Was it the White House or Petraeus himself? If it was Petraeus, I have a theory: Perhaps the resignation letter Petraeus gave to Obama was just a general (no pun intended) "I resign as of blah, blah, blah..." with no mention of his extramarital affair in it. Obama accepts his resignation, telling Petraeus that if he squeals, details of his affair will be released, his life will be destroyed, etc. But then in the resignation letter Petraeus releases to the public, he comes clean about his affair, thereby completely neutralizing Obama's threat of blackmail. Petraeus' signal to Obama: Checkmate. You've got nothing on me now...prepare for the canary to sing. (Of course, this theory holds no water if it was the White House that released the letter!)

Posted by: Mama Brug at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (yI15E)

179 What would people suggest to purchase that is lightweight and easy to use.


The best gun is one that you are comfortable holding and using. Find a local range, talk to the owners and you should be able to go and try out different ones to see what works best for you. I'm a fan of Glock 9mms because I have tiny little hands and the stocks are a good fit for me.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (Gk3SS)

180 Ok. Seriously, why did he cop to the affair publicly and humiliate his wife like this? It's not uncommon to get burnt out in government and leave at the end of a first term. He could have offered some BS excuse and quietly exit.

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (0PiQ4)

181 Rex, do you even read this blog or the comments? There aren't any "knee jerk Petraeus boosters" here. There haven't been since Benghazi. Maybe not even since Bush.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (QTHTd)

182 Tami-- I just got that too. Took them until Saturday for the thank-you note, really?

Posted by: Filly at November 10, 2012 02:55 PM (W9cj6)

183 So are you suggesting we do like a Mao Tse Tung thing?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 10, 2012 02:50 PM (6JMZR)

Nah. I just can't tipe gud.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 02:55 PM (sRus3)

184
the GOP base today is like a junkyard dog

fenced in, lots of barking, but just throw it a bone to gnaw on and its attention will be diverted for a while

Posted by: soothsayer at November 10, 2012 02:55 PM (jUytm)

185 Colin Powell opined yet?

Posted by: boniface ballers at November 10, 2012 02:56 PM (l3RZ9)

186
"139Posted by: RiverRat at November 10, 2012 02:36 PM

I would question the hell out of Nixon. In his own way, he caused considerable damage to our country with his idiotic China policy. And there was, allegedly, this Chinese babe he got some from....

Still, Choom Boy is, in my view, the first president to actively commit treason. Add the numerous examples of that to his other felonies (not to mention those "high crimes and misdemeanors") and, unless he got the second coming of the OJ Simpson jury, he'd be out of office so fast his butt would burn from the friction."
You understand that the "jury" would be the U.S. Senate, right?

Posted by: Advo at November 10, 2012 02:56 PM (1+jq5)

187 Mr. Obama, would you like some more ice for your drink?

Posted by: The GOP at November 10, 2012 02:56 PM (6JMZR)

188 "Ok. Seriously, why did he cop to the affair publicly
and humiliate his wife like this? It's not uncommon to get burnt out
in government and leave at the end of a first term. He could have
offered some BS excuse and quietly exit.

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (0PiQ4)"
I suspect that was probably the plan until Benghazi.
They didn't want people to think he was resigning over on some kind of principle, and Petraeus would probably rather be known as a filthy adulterer than as the guy who got booted for letting Americans die.
And don't think Barry wouldn't have gone that angle.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 10, 2012 02:56 PM (uhAkr)

189 Obama has a troika of positives going for him which would preclude
anything serious happening in regards to voting irregularities,
Petraeuse's resignation, etc.

1)He's black
2) He's Democrat
3) Most importantly a supine and incurious press

Throw in a cowardly and incompetent "opposition party and you have a big nothing burger.


The
head of the CIA just resigned two days after an election, he was being
investigated by the FBI and was scheduled to testify before a Senate
committe on Benghazi, now for some reason he does not.


If
this were a Republican, this affair would have been named, there would
have been up to the minute updates on all the news channels with special
bump in and bump out music and graphics.

Reporters would be shoving microphones in front of every administration official.

IT WOULD BE A FUCKING CIRCUS!!!


THE HEAD OF THE CIA HAS JUST RESIGNED IN DISGRACE TWO DAYS AFTER AN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT

This is something that if it happened, say, a week before the election could have really changed the outcome.

And
notice how nothing was leaked about an FBI investigation swirling
around the head of the CIA. Which more than likely has been going on for
months.

I'll tell you that Obama is one lucky son of gun.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 10, 2012 02:56 PM (0fxcV)

190 167 Propaganda is the only thing that woks in this war

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A revolution is not a dinner party.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 10, 2012 02:56 PM (VlXYw)

191 The real impeachment question: Were any laws broken by this? It doesn't look that way. Being a terrible leader isn't an impeachable offense. Unless it turns out the administration did more than piddle, twiddle and resolve, this is just one of the consequences of elections.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 10, 2012 02:56 PM (7oWbB)

192 It was coming out no matter what. He was smart to preempt it, no matter what the midgame looks like.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 10, 2012 02:57 PM (spwZ/)

193

Bill Clinton was impeached by a Republican-led House...and he wears it like a medal.

The Left has downgraded our society to the point that they can now celebrate bad behavior.

Posted by: wheatie at November 10, 2012 02:57 PM (ICEh3)

194 Oh, and it just happened to quietly enter the newstream on a Friday afternoon, too.

Posted by: Filly at November 10, 2012 02:57 PM (W9cj6)

195 Filly - Maybe it took so long because they are in shock and depressed like we have been. The past year has to have taken its toll.

Posted by: Infidel at November 10, 2012 02:57 PM (Vk6ZI)

196 How long until we hear about the 'sex tape'. Stories these days need to be jazzed up with some mention of a 'video'.

If One Week ago today, somebody tried to tell me where we'd be at in this country right now, I probably would have shot bourbon out my nose. This is life stuck inside a parody of a bad sitcom, one that apparently just got renewed for 4 more effin years!

Posted by: CitizenEgg at November 10, 2012 02:58 PM (G0Q4Y)

197 <<The man was simply not electable.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2012 02:40 PM (Uht19)



So many of us screamed it but no one listened.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet,>>

Actually, they listened and did one of two things: either they told us he was the BEST possible choice to beat Obama so shut up or they responded with "who should it be then?" Which is the equivalent of saying "IF you can do better, prove it." This is an idiotic line of reasoning, since the approach of the GOP since 2000 has been to put up candidates that appeal not just to the center, but to the Left as well, while the Left ran increasingly radical candidates, and finally won. We don't need a "centrist" candidate, we need a genuine conservative candidate that can clearly be distinguished from theirs (not a lite version of their guy) and offer a genuine alternative to what they offer.

And that candidate can't be a nut job (Paul) or an obscure third party douche like Johnson.

Find someone who doesn't want the job, and convince him his country needs him (Jindal comes to mind).

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2012 02:58 PM (Uht19)

198 Impeachment? The October surprise in November!

This will undoubtably lead to wide scale rioting and perhaps even the very destruction of our Republic, but hey, we are already on that path anyway so may as well be done with it.
The sooner we bottom-out, the sooner we can start over again fresh.

I have plenty of popcorn at hand...

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 10, 2012 02:58 PM (53riN)

199 Can I get one ofthese desks at IKEA?

Posted by: socalbusted at November 10, 2012 02:59 PM (/5Axw)

200 FenelonSpoke
.
Find a range that rents guns. They will probably have training classes. Do this first.
.
There are also thousands of training videos on YouTube, some of them professional.
.
Don't make assumptions about what you need until you have fired at least a few guns.
.
For example, less weight usually means more recoil.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 10, 2012 02:59 PM (DYWM0)

201 BTW, I don't think Obama's blackness works for him anymore. Now it's more his non-whiteness. Republicans are white men and they are aging, weak and enemies to the state as the state is currently constructed. "the dying camel attracts many knives", I believe the Arabs say.

But the Hispanic and Asian supporters of Obama - let alone Muslims and Jews - don't like blacks. They like blacks even less than they like whites, and much less than whites like blacks.

If there's a non-white alternative to the Republicans and that alternative looks like it's a serious challenge to Obama and his base, Hispanics and Asians will flock to it.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 10, 2012 03:00 PM (QTHTd)

202 182
Tami-- I just got that too. Took them until Saturday for the thank-you note, really?


Posted by: Filly at November 10, 2012 02:55 PM (W9cj6)


I dunno but it made me sad all over again.....I do believe he's probably one of the most honorable men that's run in a long time. Apparently, honor isn't worth shit anymore.

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 03:00 PM (X6akg)

203 Colin Powell opined yet?

Posted by: boniface ballers
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I saw him speak Wed before the election. His take was this 'Neither man is the Savior and the problem is bigger than either who lands in the seat'.

While this might be true, one on them is defiantly the Anti-Christ. CP is a racist, voting skin color, albeit a charismatic racist.

Posted by: sTevo at November 10, 2012 03:00 PM (VMcEw)

204 Mere four letter words fail me...

Posted by: Bacon Industry at November 10, 2012 03:01 PM (2A29N)

205 I guess Moveon.org was right...

...it IS General Betray Us.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2012 03:01 PM (Uht19)

206 Again the only way the American public will care is if stuff like this has real material consequences for their lives. They don't care about the "fiscal cliff" for the same reason. The public is insulated from consequences. That won't be the case forever.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 10, 2012 03:01 PM (JRU+g)

207 Long time lurker, first time poster.

Does anybody really thinl Obama will be impeached over this?

That seems way out of the range of what is possible to me. This guys seems to get a pass on everything he does.

But I do think his second term will be harder going than his first, as it always is for a president.

Posted by: Darrencardinal at November 10, 2012 03:02 PM (HJEUt)

208 Sgt York: we need a genuine conservative candidate that can clearly be distinguished from theirs

That candidate will get nowhere in the general election.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 10, 2012 03:02 PM (QTHTd)

209 We'll never know or care about this, and if you try to impeach our Precious we'll just vote you out of office in favor of more craven Democrats.

Posted by: Typical Voters at November 10, 2012 03:02 PM (uaEZS)

210 While I'm on vacation I thought I'd check out that "Honey Doo-Doo" show everybody's been talkin' about. Man, there ain't shit for DVD's in Wyoming.

Posted by: Vice President Joe Biden at November 10, 2012 03:02 PM (IoNBC)

211
184 I think you are right. They are also just like the American people. Nobody gives enough shit about this stuff for any long period of time.

And nothing is going to happen with this Benghazi thing. It will be just like F F. The GOP will do a lot of barking and then get no where because of the MSM but also because of its own people. Besides Trey Gowdy and a few others, I really don't see anyone fighting for conservatives. In the end, conservatives are always the ones that give in or that have some RINO do them in.

Posted by: Mo the Girl who thinks RINOS and Roberts are just as stupid as Democraps at November 10, 2012 03:03 PM (qwer1)

212 Obama lost over 6 million votes. It's still the base that didn't show up. Messaging. GOP needs a better way to get their message to the people. This is not a new problem. It dates back since Clinton.

Posted by: MrX at November 10, 2012 03:03 PM (PxmNZ)

213 Posted by: Mama Brug at November 10, 2012 02:54 PM (yI15E)


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Again. If Dear Leader doesn't want Petraeus to testify before congress, he won't. Whether Petraeus and/or congress want him to or not. This is our new reality.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 03:03 PM (mUr1V)

214
@ 207
Hey Darrencardinal, read post #175, thats what I think is more likely to happen.

Posted by: lee majors at November 10, 2012 03:03 PM (VDovR)

215 The Congress is having hearings into Benghazi and hillary is in Australia and can't/will not come, Petreaus resigns in disgrace, and the admin knows nothing, NOTHING!

Great start so far ha? Reaching across the aisle? Yeah with a shiv

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2012 03:04 PM (jE38p)

216 And here I thought Clinton was teflon, but TFG could pull a Sandusky on national TV in the oval office and it would be blamed on Republican obstructionism.

Or just Bush.

Posted by: Kensington at November 10, 2012 03:04 PM (uaEZS)

217 We don't need a strong presidential candidate, we need strong governors who will be ready to take control when things go to hell and who aren't afraid to fight back against the encroachment by the Feds.

Posted by: Alex at November 10, 2012 03:04 PM (HwgHt)

218 PS FenelonSpoke, re what atc said, polymer framed guns like the Glock are the exception to the "less weight more recoil" rule.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at November 10, 2012 03:05 PM (DYWM0)

219 <<That candidate will get nowhere in the general election.>>

Bullshit. That's the same line of reasoning that brought us Bush, McCain and Romney.

Seriously, keep trying the same thing over and over and keep being baffled at why it doesn't work.

Reagan was a clear, conservative alternative to Carter and a whole hell of a lot of DEMOCRATS voted for him.


Posted by: Sgt. York at November 10, 2012 03:05 PM (Uht19)

220 Colin Powell opined yet?

---

I had dinner with my two Obamabot sisters last night. They said that the Rethigs should have run Kooky Kolin.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 10, 2012 03:05 PM (VlXYw)

221 Mitt and Ann
Romney

Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 02:51 PM (X6akg)

Did you vomit?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 03:05 PM (3Y7RV)

222 Obama lost over 6 million votes. It's still the base that didn't show up. Messaging. GOP needs a better way to get their message to the people. This is not a new problem. It dates back since Clinton.
Posted by: MrX at November 10, 2012 03:03 PM (PxmNZ)


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Messaging, huh? You sound like a dem campaign manager. What happened Nov 6th goes much much deeper than "messaging".

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 03:06 PM (mUr1V)

223 204 "Mere four letter words fail me."

Not me.

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Shit. Shit. Shit. Damn. Hell. What else? I'm getting tired.

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 03:06 PM (0PiQ4)

224 She looks like she can't wait til the photog leaves and she can crawl under that desk. Probably has her kneepads in her purse.

Oh bullshit, whatI really mean is, why can't I get any action like that at work?!!

Posted by: sherlock at November 10, 2012 03:07 PM (f29LO)

225 Just scanning the MSM websites, except for FOX, this story has been moved to the side bar of their sites.

In other words the MSM much like the Benghazi story is not going to push it.

Will the GOP?

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 10, 2012 03:07 PM (0fxcV)

226 "Maybe it took so long because they are in shock and depressed like we have been. The past year has to have taken its toll."

I agree, it was a long haul and not the result anyone wanted or even expected. But they still should have had a thank-you at hand for both outcomes after barraging their supporters about 5 times a day from various campaign figures.

Tami-
I had the opposite trajectory from the McCain candidacy. I went in very suspicious and grudging about Mitt to truly respecting and liking him as a person. I have three consolations:
1) He realizes that life is bigger than even this candidacy and will be OK. 2) Ryan acquitted himself well-- he and his calculator escape to curbstomp another day, which may not have happened under a potentially mismanaged/over-liberal Romney administration
3) Anything is possible. Within a year we might be thanking God it went this way.

Posted by: Filly at November 10, 2012 03:07 PM (W9cj6)

227 223 204 "Mere four letter words fail me."

What else? I'm getting tired.

Pussy.

Posted by: Vice President Joe Biden at November 10, 2012 03:07 PM (IoNBC)

228 We don't need a strong presidential candidate, we need strong governors who will be ready to take control when things go to hell and who aren't afraid to fight back against the encroachment by the Feds.
Posted by: Alex at November 10, 2012 03:04 PM (HwgHt)


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And we have 30 repub governors now, many with repub legislatures. It's a start. 10th Amendment, bitchez.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 03:09 PM (mUr1V)

229 Agreed the thank you should have come sooner.

Posted by: Infidel at November 10, 2012 03:09 PM (Vk6ZI)

230 The Left would be working 24-7 smearing, and complaining even if they only had the House. So, why don't we?

Look, the MFM is not going to help, but there are ways around this, and the actions need to begin while the internet is still up. Besides, whether they help us or not, it is the right thing to do.

However, I do not think the problem, or the real obstacle is the MFM. Instead, I believe it is Boner, and Issa. Look at how much Issa is worth, and who has helped aid his campaigns. The forces in control of the GOP are not going to allow it, so the problem, or the main obstacle is not the MFM but rather the GOP itself.

These morons, the GOP/RNC are convinced, and are convincing others, that social conservatives are the problem and why Romney lost, which is blatantly false. The next issue is this meme about amnesty. So, with this, I am not thinking they will finally have a brain fart which would add up to proceeding with impeachment. I am not holding my breath. They are too focused on shutting us up, or having us at war with each other.

BUT- this does not mean we should not contact Congress Critters to move in the general direction of impeachment. Especially while some paper trails might still exist, or have yet to be shredded. We are going to have to get back in this fight because folks doing the lifting at Fox are going to get silenced. We are going to have to make stink about this so that those who can report, or who are willing to stick their necks out know some in the American public give a damn. Of course it would not hurt if some serious citizen journalists joined in on the cause.

It has taken some time, but the more this election solidifies, the more I believe we did not lose, and that the Conservative movement is alive and well in this country. We have a corrupt system, and poor educated masses to combat for sure, but I believe firmly that the folks, the Estabs, whatever you want to call them had a hand in this mess, and they want us demoralized, and disengaged. I believe the Tea Party, or Conservatives are a legit threat, and they were willing to toss this one on the bon fire in order to point the fingers at us. Why do I think this? Because the first things out of the so called consultants, and Repubs is all about compromise, and moving to the Left. Something none of us want. And the internet was packed and stacked with comments about how abortion, gay marriage, and amnesty was something social cons were just going to have to get over. LOL! I wish someone could explain to me how silencing someone on their beliefs adds up to winning elections? I mean for us here, we would rather you not have an abortion, but I am not coming to your home to make sure you do not. The telling us to shut up dances real close to ignoring the First Amendment, and once you compromise on who is allowed a voice in your party, don't you sort of lose the whole basis of Conservatism, or what the Republican party is supposed to be about?

Here is the thing, I am a social con who loves Rudy, and actually gave money to him. Ditto to when it was Romney against McCain. I am not for gay marriage, I am not for abortion, and I am not for amnesty, but I get it that you cannot do a damn thing about any of the issues if you do not have folks in power who can save the country economically. It is not about compromising my principles, it is about realizing the Supreme Court, and other judicial appointments hang in the balance. How can you have the money to work in inner cities if everyone is poor? How can you help the single mothers if everyone is starving? How do you reach out to Latinos and show fiscal conservatism is the answer when there are no farking jobs?

None of this means I would agree to taking any of these social con issues out of our platform. Why? Because we are the party of the big tent. We are the party with the Log Cabin Republicans, the party of life, but also the party of some who are pro-choice, the party of supporting Israel, the party who dares to not boo God, the party with the most elected Latinos, the party who supports Blacks to be Secretary of State and Supreme Court Justices, and the party of women are more than their lady parts. Basically, we are the party of freedom, and freedom do live your live as you choose, not the party of how the federal government chooses. I firmly believe this won, narrowly, but it won based on what the exit polls are slowly showing us.

Americans are thirsting for a fight for freedom, and the Constitution. We want Rocky, and they are giving us statesmen. Or orange looking men who have zero tactical skills, or desires to go to the mattresses. I implore everyone to not despair, but get prepared. Be ants, not grasshoppers because we are about the reap the wild wind, but also let the Orangeman know where we stand on all this, and tell your Congress Critter to grow a pair. They HAVE to be made aware of our willingness to fight, or the Conservative movement will be over. We have a tiny bit of time, and daylight to do this. Tiny bit.

Artur Davis made an interesting comment to Laura Ingraham sitting in for Ted Baxter; he said that Dear Leader is setting this up for generational rule, and we must stop it ASAP. Dinging Evil Overlord up, and those around him would be a good way to start. The next would be to stop this talk about kicking anyone, or silencing anyone in the GOP. If the Tea Party folks, who are of various beliefs, can do what they did in 2010, then we social cons, and those who think we are religious nuts, surely we all can at least unite long enough to save this country. It is now, or never. I say we take away Santa Claus' red suit! Impeach his ass, and prosecute anyone, and I do mean anyone who aided him!

Posted by: freeus at November 10, 2012 03:10 PM (caDgg)

231 We don't need a strong presidential candidate, we need strong governors who will be ready to take control when things go to hell and who aren't afraid to fight back against the encroachment by the Feds.

We got ours in NC. It's all we got. We ran the GOP table in out district. I wish others would have been as successful.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 03:10 PM (3Y7RV)

232 And we have 30 repub governors now, many with repub legislatures. It's a start. 10th Amendment, bitchez.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 03:09 PM (mUr1V)

That's a joke, right?

Posted by: John Roberts at November 10, 2012 03:10 PM (uhAkr)

233 Government officials in Brussels, Belgium banned Wednesday a popular Christmas tree exhibit out of concerns that the local Muslim population found it “offensive.”

An “electronic winter tree,” will take the place of the traditional Christmas Tree and Nativity scene at the city center of Grand Place, reports Brussels News.

The electronic sculpture will stand 25 meters (82 feet) tall and consists of a set of television screens, reports Brussels Expat. “During the daytime you can climb to the top of the tree where you will be able to enjoy a panoramic view of the city,” the website explains. “As soon as it becomes dark the tree turns into a spectacle of light and sound. Every ten minutes an amazing show will unfold.”

City councilwoman Bianca Debaets believes a “misplaced argument” over religious sensitivities has moved Brussels to put up the light sculpture. She points to the fact that it display not be referred to “Christmas” in any way to make her point.

“I suspect that the reference to the Christian religion was the decisive factor” in replacing the tree, she told reporters. “For a lot of people who are not Christians, the tree there is offensive to them.”

And coming soon to a American Town Square near you!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2012 03:11 PM (jE38p)

234 John Batchelor Am told that Petraeus walked away rather than be persuaded to stay on and present party line on Hill. Am told that the White House was ambushed by the resignation letter. Am told that the game is afoot. Reminder, anytime you find yourself believing a Washington explanation, check your cynicism battery, it is probably in need of recharge. Cheers J

Posted by: Evilpens at November 10, 2012 03:12 PM (ck76k)

235 "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 10, 2012 03:12 PM (YjDyJ)

236
Time for our own guys to play hardball with the Dems on the Intelligence Committee--skeletons in closet exposed unless you play really hard with us in questioning the Bammy admin about Benghazi.
Of course, knowing the Chicago Playas, we know they already have lined up the skeletons in the closet of our guys.

Posted by: gm at November 10, 2012 03:13 PM (wgmUB)

237 8 'so, I take it that this woman is in deep trouble?
has she been charged and arrested'

So ... I think you got this whole picture bass ackwards.

I think this woman was in deep trouble BEFORE the FBI investigation, but not due to her OWN actions, rather ... due to the way Petraeus was behaving.

I think this woman was never interested in seeing Petraeus prosecuted criminally, that she UNDERSTOOD what Petraeus was doing, but she wanted it to come to a stop, and Petraeus wouldn't stop.

And when the guy who won't leave you alone when you want to be left to go back to your former life happens now to be the Director of the CIA, that's a big big problem for you.

For starters: where do you go to complain? You go to the FBI.

And then you, you the FBI, confront all concerned with your findings.

Ma'am, this is what we found, what is it you want out of this? I want it to stop, that's all I want.

Okay now: CIA, you guys have a director with a, um, problem in his behavior, one which you might wanna consider compromises his motives on all sorts of levels, what you want us to do? We want this fixed: confront him, let's see if he does the right thing, and if not, we consider our options.

Okay now: uh, General, this is why we're here, this is what we're seeing. You wanna take some time to take a long hard look at this and then maybe consider your options? Good, good; and meanwhile, you'll understand that we the FBI are answerable to the AG, and on things like this, the AG is obliged to tell the administration, cuz you serve, after all, 'at the pleasure of the president' ... right? Good, good; we'll be back in a reasonable period.

Then it's all Stop Making Sense/Once In A Lifetime for Petraues: Oh. My. God. What. Have. I. Done?

Mystery solved. You're welcome.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 10, 2012 03:13 PM (21TJo)

238 1000's of emails?!...I sure as hell wouldh've changed my email account.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 10, 2012 03:14 PM (y2Ojs)

239 Apparently, honor isn't worth shit anymore.
Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2012 03:00 PM (X6akg)


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Sadly, you are absolutely right. Honor isn't hip and cool. Let it burn.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 03:14 PM (mUr1V)

240 Anyway, that fool Petraeus is going out with a bang, isn't he?

He went along with national security taking a back seat to the election campaign, he deserves to be despised.

I feel bad for his wife, but any humiliation she is going through is the fault of him and his skank.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 10, 2012 03:14 PM (jLiVY)

241 Then it's all Stop Making Sense/Once In A Lifetime for Petraues: Oh. My. God. What. Have. I. Done?

Mystery solved. You're welcome.
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 10, 2012 03:13 PM (21TJo)
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was Same.as.it.ever.waaaaaasssss

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 03:14 PM (3Y7RV)

242
We have to make it uncool to be an Obama supporter, even among the press.
They have to start feeling that thugs have gotten the better of them, plain old thugs, Tony Soprano thugs, not elite intellectual thugs.

Posted by: gm at November 10, 2012 03:15 PM (wgmUB)

243 I feel bad for his wife, but any humiliation she is going through is the fault of him and his skank.
Posted by: nerdygirl at November 10, 2012 03:14 PM (jLiVY)

I have one word for her....... HALF.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 10, 2012 03:15 PM (3Y7RV)

244 I think this woman was in deep trouble BEFORE the FBI investigation, but not due to her OWN actions, rather ... due to the way Petraeus was behaving.
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 10, 2012 03:13 PM (21TJo)

Not due to her own actions? She is a Married Officer in the US Army knowingly having an affair with another Married Officer who happens to be a hugely Superior Officer?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 10, 2012 03:17 PM (jE38p)

245
219...Reagan was a clear, conservative alternative to Carter and a whole hell of a lot of DEMOCRATS voted for him.

Reagan wasn't scary.
He was more conservative than Carter...but he wasn't all that conservative.
Reagan raised taxes in some areas, and was the first President to give amnesty to illegals.

Reagan was also more charismatic than Carter.
Charisma counts.

In 1980...the 24 Hour News Cycle began, when CNN went on the air.
This changed politics.

Reagan had a charisma level that enabled him to overcome the demonization that the Left tried to do to him.

Every presidential candidate that has won since 1980...has been the one with more charisma than his opponent.

Posted by: wheatie at November 10, 2012 03:18 PM (ICEh3)

246 That's a joke, right?
Posted by: John Roberts at November 10, 2012 03:10 PM (uhAkr)


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Who the fuck are you?

Posted by: 30 repub governors at November 10, 2012 03:18 PM (mUr1V)

247
They never listen...

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at November 10, 2012 03:18 PM (EZl54)

248 The Federal Government is made up of four Branches.

The Executive.

The Legislative.

The Judiciary.

The Media.

Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 03:20 PM (sRus3)

249
Look, at this point, we have to understand we can't believe anyone: that includes the FBI, the Assistant CIA director (or whatever he's called), any person in the Bammy Admin, anyone.
I have no problem believing lust got the better of David P. Several former CIA people are on record now that it's not at all unusual for CIA directors to have had affairs, affairs that everyone knew about, affairs that were deemed not to have been security risks.
However, what if it's actually true that lust and/or, God forbide, LOVE got the better of CIA Director Petreaus and that it's indeed possible he was spending an inordinate part of his day pursuing her or pining for her or whatever? Stuff like that happens. How sick would that be?
There would be a record of the emails.
Or are we being lied to about the number of emails and the time he devoted to pursuing her?
What's your best guess?

Posted by: gm at November 10, 2012 03:21 PM (wgmUB)

250 Isn't adultery still an offense in the Military Code of Conduct for which you can be court martialed?

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 03:22 PM (0PiQ4)

251 The Federal Government is made up of four Branches. The Executive. The Legislative. The Judiciary. The Media.
Posted by: eman at November 10, 2012 03:20 PM (sRus3)


Your daydreaming again. It's two branches.

The Executive

The Media

You're living in "New America" now.

Posted by: Comrade Soona at November 10, 2012 03:24 PM (mUr1V)

252 Since we are now halfway to hell-in-a-handbasket, could we at least have some fun? Make a few Moron/ette bets?
Start a pool to see
1) What is anything sticks to tfg to get him impeached?
2) When will the shit hit the fan/first event which will bring tfg's downfall among his followers: debt standoff? tax cuts expiring? SS running out of money?

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 10, 2012 03:25 PM (53riN)

253 129 my first vote was to "go galt, you know you want to" but when I read SMOD wasn't doing well, I went back and voted "SMOD.". (it's legal to vote twice, right?)

Posted by: vote vote at November 10, 2012 03:26 PM (jvg6T)

254 252
I think TFG's term will meet an untimely end due to illness.

Goodbye Preznit Revenge, Hello Preznit Full Load

Posted by: kallisto at November 10, 2012 03:27 PM (jm/9g)

255
"There is a story linked on Drudge about a black judge re-elected in Chicago despite being suspended and charged for assaulting a cop and despite having many years of poor performance. There will be no successful impeachment. They don't care. They just don't care."

We've ourselves to blame for acceptance of the corruption all the way from local level stuff to the highest office.
First mistake we made: tens of thousands of Americans of all ages should have conducted protests and marches when Eric Holder didn't try those New Black Panther Party thugs in Philly with bats in their hands.

That we didn't gave Holder and Bammy all the proof they needed that the Boomer Generation and those right behind them, that whites, were idiots, and that thuggishness, as long as it came from blacks, would be easy to get away with.
That we aren't mobilizing and marching in the streets over the Dem's fighting against voter ID is our invitation to voter fraud.
OUR FAULT.

Posted by: gm at November 10, 2012 03:27 PM (wgmUB)

256 House GOP impeach? Nope. Boner may cry.

Posted by: nip at November 10, 2012 03:28 PM (11Tdq)

257 You think we feel bad, think about our troop in Afghanistan.

Posted by: pawn at November 10, 2012 03:29 PM (iMsF6)

258 Seriously, this would make a great book. Any writers in here?

Posted by: L, just L at November 10, 2012 03:33 PM (0PiQ4)

259
i'm starting to think barkey mcfuckstick is going to spend his entire 2nd term figuring out how he can get around the law and run for a third term

Posted by: kj at November 10, 2012 03:33 PM (AW9md)

260 Nothing is going to come of this... Nothing.. obama will glide through his 4 more years with nary a peep of criticism from the media. Congress, however will be the whipping boy for whatever goes wrong...Let it burn...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 10, 2012 03:35 PM (9+ccr)

261 >> 129 my first vote was to "go galt, you know you want to" but when I read SMOD wasn't doing well, I went back and voted "SMOD.". (it's legal to vote twice, right?)

Posted by: vote vote at November 10, 2012 03:26 PM (jvg6T)

I'm kinda curious about that myself. The poll place has an option of allowing me, as the poll creator, of choosing how often someone can vote. The minimum time period though is a day. I guessed that it keeps someone with the same IP from voting twice.


Posted by: GnuBreed at November 10, 2012 03:35 PM (ccXZP)

262

Hello
horde. Been lurking for a while, and
then got distracted by the Mav’s CheerBabe’s and JJJ’s intrugue.



But, the goal here is to save the Republic,
right?

Have something left to salvage in 2016?



If so, I’m with Merovign Dark Lord of the
Siths (MDLotS)

“Investigate
vote fraud or surrender.”!!!

Either that, or start the fire…

Posted by: Semi-New Moron at November 10, 2012 03:36 PM (mkb9H)

263 "FBI agents on the case were aware that such a decision had been made to hold off on forcing him out until after the election and were outraged."

Really? Because none of them went on Fox News to express their outrage. You know ... before the election, when it might have been important and had an impact.

Of course ... now that Obama has safely been re-elected, unnamed FBI agents can express their outrage publicly.

Posted by: someguy at November 10, 2012 03:40 PM (sEXZ/)

264 Lol....that didn't take long. Is there anything you clowns won't try use for your impeachment fantasies? It will be a short list to be sure.

Posted by: Fred at November 10, 2012 03:41 PM (yKLUS)

265 Maybe you can get the person who handled the fail whale (project Orca) to start the proceedings.

Posted by: Fred at November 10, 2012 03:41 PM (yKLUS)

266
Really? Because none of them went on Fox News to express their outrage. You know ... before the election, when it might have been important and had an impact.


would you? at the risk of losing your career and possible jail time.it is a classified investigation you know.

Posted by: kj at November 10, 2012 03:43 PM (AW9md)

267 261 if I use a dead person's IP maybe I can vote thrice....all for a good cause, dontcha know.

Posted by: vote vote at November 10, 2012 03:45 PM (jvg6T)

268 Wayne's best film.
"I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I

don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them"

good philosophy


****

Us knowing that he knew he was dying, and that it was his last film, makes it almost too sad to watch.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 10, 2012 03:48 PM (piMMO)

269 #228- DITTO!!!!!!!! That is where most of the attention should be if you want to survive. No kidding. We are in a serious way, and the firewall, the last line of defense is your governor and state legislature, and beyond that, who is running your local law enforcement.

There is still going to be economic apocalypse, and we are going over a cliff no matter what. People are not looking enough at the EU burning. Everything on FBN was what our markets thought about election, and Teh Won's little bitter speech.

Which is another reason a stink needs to be raised over all this. How long before he kills off the dollar, and the North American Union comes up to save us all from starving to death, and or the UN erases the Constitution, or Bill of Rights because the rioting is just too much? Begin coloring in the the empty suits.

Here is one last reason to fight, Woods and Doughtery, plus one not named guy, they fought until there was no more. I know they were special, they were trained, and they are a rarity, but it is our turn damn it to not give up. We have got to come together, all of us, and in their names, and the names of all those who came before them, fight back for the truth to be exposed. I am tired too, and I am not wanting to do it, but surely we can because of what the former SEALs did on the roof of that building? Surely.

Posted by: freeus at November 10, 2012 03:50 PM (caDgg)

270 Outraged, we were, I tell you. Of course, we did nothing about it. How far gone are these fed goons. If ordered to shoot innocents, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Posted by: ejo at November 10, 2012 03:57 PM (C/Spx)

271 I suspect there is way more to this story also. I would like to think that Petraeus will do the right thing, testify and tell the truth about Benghazi. But even if he does, the Admin. will lay this squarely at the feet of a compromised and distracted Director of the CIA. The fact that the nation's security was compromised by the political cover up to leave him in office will not resonate. It will come out something like -- Well, we wanted to allow him time to sort through this painful personal problem. The nation was never in danger as he was monitored all the time. One and done on Benghazi.

Obama will never be impeached.

Posted by: gracepmc at November 10, 2012 04:06 PM (rznx3)

272 O'Bumbles could kill and eat a Yorkshire Terrier on Pay Per View TV while shooting heroin with a prostitute who was burning an American flag, and still get public support for a third term despite Constitutional safeguards. And the Pay per View would set records.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 10, 2012 04:09 PM (Iu9vL)

273 Haiku news presents...

four Benghazi dead
erection before election
Jug-Eared Fuck's blackmail

Posted by: andycanuck at November 10, 2012 04:18 PM (nkiQM)

274 Here's a letter to the New York Times Magazine's "ethicist," which was published over the summer:

My wife is having an affair with a government executive. His role is to manage a project whose progress is seen worldwide as a demonstration of American leadership. (This might seem hyperbolic, but it is not an exaggeration.) I have met with him on several occasions, and he has been gracious. (I doubt if he is aware of my knowledge.) I have watched the affair intensify over the last year, and I have also benefited from his generosity. He is engaged in work that I am passionate about and is absolutely the right person for the job. I strongly feel that exposing the affair will create a major distraction that would adversely impact the success of an important effort. My issue: Should I acknowledge this affair and finally force closure? Should I suffer in silence for the next year or two for a project I feel must succeed? Should I be “true to my heart” and walk away from the entire miserable situation and put the episode behind me? NAME WITHHELD

There is, as one might imagine, much speculation that this is somehow related to CIA director David Petraeus's affair with biographer Paula Broadwell. Or it could be completely unrelated.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 10, 2012 04:27 PM (Dnbau)

275 sorry, the above was from the weekly standard

I think everybody knew. For months. I don't think he was stalking her. I think that is what she told her husband and they are telling us

Posted by: Thunderb at November 10, 2012 04:28 PM (Dnbau)

276 Dear God Man. Do you really want to see Joe Biden running the country? Now you see the real reason why Biden is VP he is impeachment insurance.
Game set match.

Posted by: simpleton at November 10, 2012 04:34 PM (za3QZ)

277 this aint going fucking nowhere, just like FF

Posted by: Ringo at November 10, 2012 04:38 PM (dQ/Oc)

278 Re 274 - Christ if that letter was from the husband, no wonder she strayed. F'n beta.

Posted by: simpleton at November 10, 2012 04:47 PM (za3QZ)

279

I'm sorry Ace, but I think you're wrong on this. It would only be a problem if the president and his administration were *republican*.

Really, I don't know what you're thinking.

Posted by: Lily at November 10, 2012 04:55 PM (igSv+)

280 House investigators asked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to testify next week about the September 11 terrorist attack in Benghazi, but she declined citing a scheduling conflict.
“[Clinton] was asked to appear at House Foreign Affairs next week, and we have written back to the Chairman to say that she’ll be on travel next week,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters yesterday. “

Posted by: Thunderb at November 10, 2012 04:57 PM (Dnbau)

281
Anybody put two-and-two together yet that Petraeus WAS compromised?

That he had this hanging over his head in everything he had said previously about Benghazi. I thought it sounded odd when he spoke about it before.

Maybe he was put in that spot because he was compromised all along.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2012 05:02 PM (Mxt9o)

282 Hey 276 At this point Joe Biden might be an improvement. This government might as well go full retard now to show the voters what they ordered.

Posted by: CitizenEgg at November 10, 2012 05:03 PM (G0Q4Y)

283
Impeachment?

I guess I'm getting used to being surprised, but I had figured out by the day after election day that we effectively have a socialist dictator now.

He has no accountability, and has already actively undermined the law. Making recess appointments when not in recess. Telling defense contractors he'll help them break the law. I'm sure you could add a few more, I'm not really trying. Hell, his Homeland Security is being sued for telling their people to do things that are illegal. These things can only accelerate.

Obama could nuke Houston, and the MFM wouldn't think it was newsworthy, the Senate would say "I'm sure he had a good reason" and the public would say, "what did he say his favorite color is, again, mine's blue!"

Posted by: Optimizer at November 10, 2012 05:09 PM (Mxt9o)

284 In that pic, and in many others, Petraeus looks like he has a bad case of Dowager's Hump.

(heh...I said "hump")

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at November 10, 2012 05:10 PM (YwXwp)

285 No impeachment. None. Don't even try.

Investigate and get all the little frys. Don't even try to go after the Kahunas.

What this does is (a) drench the Obama administration in scandal and (b) start to outrage even the MSM that the people responsible aren't paying.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 10, 2012 05:23 PM (T0NGe)

286 This government might as well go full retard

You mean from 99.99% to 100.00%?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 10, 2012 05:28 PM (vbh31)

287 >>>To leave him in such a sensitive position where he was vulnerable to
potential blackmail for months compromised our security and is
inexcusable.

Looks like some FBI sources will be added to Obama's ballooning unemployment statistics as well.

Posted by: Fritz at November 10, 2012 05:36 PM (0yCoM)

288 122
Hmmm! Compromise national security? Would you all get a clue!
There hasn't been a liberal fascist Democrat in the Oval Office not guily of the same other than, possibly, Harry Truman and the Peanut Farmer and I wouldn't bet on that. The only presidents I wouldn't question are Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, BushI, and Bush II...while in office. Before...sure, especially in the case of Eisenhower where it's well documented.
Roosevelt, Kennedy, Billy Blow Job, and who the hells knows about Obama and his male freinds.
Posted by: RiverRat at November 10, 2012 02:36 PM (NRQJk)
=====

Don't forget LBJ. He was as bad as JFK. He was constantly screwing anything in a skirt, even in the Oval Office. He screwed Ladybird's friends in the bedroom next door to hers at the ranch.

Every single Dem president in my lifetime, except Jimmeh, has been a complete hound dog. Not just an affair here or there, but blatant 24-7 sex addicts.

Posted by: stace at November 10, 2012 05:41 PM (m+UHL)

289 Except Jimmeh, and TFG, that is. As far as we know.

Posted by: stace at November 10, 2012 05:42 PM (m+UHL)

290 Of course, O could have sex with a 7 year old boy then kill and eat him and the msm would yawn and say he needs a third term to get everything done. Nothing will come of Petraeus, or Bengazi and the USA will burn. I say let it burn.

Posted by: megthered at November 10, 2012 05:51 PM (iR4Dg)

291 Chris Rock:
A man is only as faithful as his options.

Bernie Taupin:
Into the boundary
Of each married man
Sweet deceit comes calling
And negativity lands

Albeit the desire to worship 4-Stars, David Petraeus is just a man.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 05:54 PM (iKSAz)

292 Petraeus should never have taken his appointment. He put himself in this position to be blackmailed and to be a security risk. He may have told himself he would never have chosen the country over his personal reputation and marriage, but he doesn't know that.

Petraeus let the country down.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 05:56 PM (SKX2R)

293 >>> I bet Petreaus WANTS to testify, and will.

I bet your belief Petreaus wants to do the right thing and clear the decks is naive, as evidenced by his doing the wrong thing (for national security, not just his marriage) and hiding it.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 05:59 PM (SKX2R)

294 Impeachment in the house...and refusal to convict in the senate.

That's the best case scenario. Because this is a banana republic .

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 10, 2012 06:05 PM (CCHli)

295 293 >>> I bet Petreaus WANTS to testify, and will.

I bet your belief Petreaus wants to do the right thing and clear the decks is naive, as evidenced by his doing the wrong thing (for national security, not just his marriage) and hiding it.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 05:59 PM (SKX2R)

Agreed.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 06:07 PM (iKSAz)

296
"John Batchelor Am told that Petraeus walked away rather than be persuaded to stay on and present party line on Hill. Am told that the White House was ambushed by the resignation letter. Am told that the game is afoot. Reminder, anytime you find yourself believing a Washington explanation, check your cynicism battery, it is probably in need of recharge. Cheers J"
_______________________________________________________
I'd love for this to be the case. Batchelor has a good program. Discovered him last year but this week haven't listened at all. Will tune in for the scoop.

Posted by: gm at November 10, 2012 06:22 PM (wgmUB)

297 Hey, no fair.
Her mouth and cheeks are like ribbed or something.

I for one will miss him like death, he would occasionally show up down on the front porch and have a clue.

Another check and balance removed.



Posted by: Mountains Landbarons and Serfs at November 10, 2012 06:25 PM (Xx7iB)

298
Watch this--John Batchelor interviewed by Larry Kudlow. Batchelor's sources are usually great. He says that he's been told that Petraeus' testimony on the Hill about Benghazi was NOT under oath and that source says Petraeus was not comfortable with his video narrative there and didn't want to have to stick with that story so he resigned. Mentions the arming the Syrian army thing.....I have often believed that Romney felt handcuffed by any briefing on this he got from admin and wondered all along even if admin fed him info that wasn't even right to make Mitt think that if he attacked Obama on Benghazi that he'd be harming Americans and CIA assets on the ground.
http://tinyurl.com/aoujfzp

Posted by: gm at November 10, 2012 06:40 PM (wgmUB)

299 >>> "John Batchelor Am told that Petraeus walked away rather than be persuaded to stay on and present party line on Hill. Am told that the White House was ambushed by the resignation letter. Am told that the game is afoot. Reminder, anytime you find yourself believing a Washington explanation, check your cynicism battery, it is probably in need of recharge. Cheers J"

So in other words, there's some anonymous rumor that Petraeus is at the last minute trying to salvage his shattered reputation as an honorable man.

Verdict: plausible.

He didn't seem to feel an urgent need to do this before the election though, before his dick-wetting was pointed out to him by the FBI.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 06:43 PM (SKX2R)

300 On the other hand, here's the counter-argument to my position:
http://goo.gl/oLLdJ

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 06:51 PM (SKX2R)

301 Yeah, you see...that's what I keep coming back to when I hear/see/read this narrative that Petraeus decided his honor couldn't let him continue the WH video protest lie. I want to believe it. I want it to be true but...

It would be more believable if he had put his honor on the line BEFORE the election.

We have to take a wait and see attitude but for the moment it looks like he's a "civilian" and won't/can't be called (we'll see) and Hillary can't testify due to "scheduling conflicts".

Reeks out loud like yesterday's diaper.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 06:53 PM (iKSAz)

302 >>> The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

Kind of reminds me of the astronaut-woman who drove across the country wearing an adult diaper to kill her rival.

Petraeus' lover, who was already herself a mistress and not the wife, threatened some other woman so hard she felt compelled to go to the FBI for protection and justice?

1. A lot of women get jealous and violent, certainly to the point of levelling threats. I've definitely seen this in action.

And 2. It wasn't two broads in a trailer park squabbling over the married man they're both banging. He was a former theater of war commander and current CIA director. And she couldn't see how that might cause some problems?

She doesn't exactly get an A for "affair discretion". Nor does Petraeus get one for judging who he was banging.

As the guy in the video I linked to above points out, there are other D/CIA who have had affairs. But I presume their mistresses were a little more discreet.

Discretion. Kind of a good quality for those in and around the clandestine services.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 07:02 PM (SKX2R)

303 "Discretion. Kind of a good quality for those in and around the clandestine services."
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 07:02 PM (SKX2R)


Jesus H Christ. The Russians are so going to clean our clocks. We are so soft.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 07:06 PM (iKSAz)

304 Insert stupid joke about how we can't even pull off an extramarital affair that doesn't threaten the country's security. God forbid we should try to win a war.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 07:09 PM (iKSAz)

305 I Call Bullshit....On you republicans. I do not give a damn, that he had an affair, unless it compromised his ability to do his job.

By YOUR'E accounts, he did not, but did not want to persuade voters by his mistakes.

Fuck you moralizers, he was good at his job. You want morally pure incompetents? Or decedent assholes who make the world a better place.

(PS decadent assholes are not the only candidates, but morally pure - show me (including Reagan) morally pure competency.)

Posted by: KM at November 10, 2012 07:12 PM (8I6vf)

306 On the other hand ...

"the woman broke up with him. However, Petraeus continued to pursue her, sending her thousands of emails over the last several months, raising even more questions about his judgment."

[an update to a story in a link I posted above]

Sent her thousands of emails.

Thousands.

AFTER she broke up with him.

FFS, dude. What kind of crap is that?

I know what it's like to lose someone, even be suicidal after. The heart is a bitch. I get it.

But it never even occurred to me to send her thousands of emails or texts or anything else. Let her enjoy the rest of her life, or at least try to maintain the appearance of some level of self-respect in her eyes -- however false and feigned.

Thousands of friggin' emails to a woman who dumped you?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 07:15 PM (SKX2R)

307 @ KM

Sweetie,

I'd explain it to ya but you still wouldn't get it #BecauseObamaVoter. But one (& only one) attempt...

He was not good at his job. He put himself in a position to be severely compromised by the bad guys. As the director of the CIA. Not an analyst. Not a clerk. Not an agent. The director. The fucking director.

For that, he deserves everything coming to him

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 07:18 PM (iKSAz)

308 So thanks to cheap sluts and lazy white people, we have POTUS who does things like this for another term...

Posted by: Baldy at November 10, 2012 07:20 PM (opS9C)

309 I believe Obamaphones contributed as well.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 07:21 PM (iKSAz)

310 JypseaRose phones. I believe I'm one of the ones paying for them.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 07:29 PM (iKSAz)

311 Petraeus didn't have to wait until he was asked to resign. What a coward he turned out to be! He lied to the American people on Benghazi, claiming that the attack grew out of a preceeding spontaneousthree hour protest over the anti-Muhammad video. NO excuse. Either he succumbed to blackmail by Obama or he lied on his own. Disgusting.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at November 10, 2012 08:34 PM (kTTUz)

312 “To leave him in such a sensitive position where he was vulnerable to potential blackmail for months compromised our security and is inexcusable.”

Just be glad it was a white guy. If it were any minority he or she would still be CIA Director.

Posted by: iconoclast at November 10, 2012 08:34 PM (EDF2i)

313 Aaaaaannnnddd for what?

Viagra and a little strange.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 08:50 PM (iKSAz)

314 By my account, KM is too stupid to know the difference between your and you're.

Posted by: Gerry at November 10, 2012 09:29 PM (+lJ43)

315 Ha! Watching "Love Actually"~at the scene where Alan Rickman gives Emma Thompson a Joni Mitchell CD instead of the gold necklace. My husband says "Look! Just like the one Mrs. Patraeus got!"

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 09:33 PM (iKSAz)

316
Right, and exactly what crime was committed here that Obama will be impeached for?
Man, you wingnuts really don't know when to quit and go home.
Give it up, losers, and find something productive to do with your lives.

Posted by: carlito at November 10, 2012 09:42 PM (sc0fk)

317 I'd impeach that bitch. I'd start with the first stuff: did he ever deal coke? Or, what passport did he use to travel to Pak with his butt boi? The charge sheet will be miles long! Plan it as a long march, put everything out as far into the public as it will go. You will peel a few Dem.-Commies off who want to get re-elected. Make the case with the facts. If you can't get the facts, frame the questions so that not answering them (not individually, but by the actual scores of questions he doesn't answer) will seem evasive even to someone just a few steps up the brain chain from Obamaphone.
Lay it out and make them bleed from a thousand cuts. Let the Senate Dem.-Commies dangle with it. We're not talking about some BJs, and Slick Willie was not bent on the destruction of the Last Best Hope of Mankind, as L'il Barry is.
Do it. At the very least, it will distract him and make his life uncomfortable.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 10, 2012 09:54 PM (1V6Pv)

318 >>> I'd impeach that bitch. I'd start with the first stuff: did he ever deal coke? Or, what passport did he use to travel to Pak with his butt boi?

You are fucking crazy.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 10, 2012 09:58 PM (SKX2R)

319 Love Actually again~

Emma Thompson to Alan Rickman after the play:

"What would you do if you knew your husband bought a gold necklace and then gave it to somebody else? Would you stick around to see if it was just a necklace or 'Sex-Under-A-Desk and a necklace?"

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at November 10, 2012 10:02 PM (iKSAz)

320 Lets face it, Petraeus was a General under Bush's command, and got advanced.

This sex stuff, as long as the FBI knew it, and told him they knew, and the president, to ensure he was not subject to blackmail, was NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.

You forgive gary hart, but no-one else.

Posted by: KM at November 10, 2012 10:48 PM (8I6vf)

321 Impeachment is a matter of time. You would think, but the Force is so small these days and Barky always seems to find a way to squiggle away

Posted by: mad as hell at November 10, 2012 11:25 PM (jpnyE)

322 "Impeachment is a matter of time."

No... it is not.

Posted by: PelosiNeedsMorePlasticSurgery at November 11, 2012 12:35 AM (uy+Yh)

323 Let it burn... And yes I'm pissed!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 11, 2012 12:45 AM (9+ccr)

324
The FBI is outraged? They are just as guilty as the Whitehouse in covering this up by not saying anything so they are political as well.
This administration is like a teflon Don, nothing sticks and the citizens of this country should be outraged. Instead, they praise, revere, and coddle these bastard$.

Posted by: mh53j at November 11, 2012 02:25 AM (WNPsY)

325 Are those people that got layed off just after the election outraged?

Posted by: It's all Geral Ford's fault at November 11, 2012 03:45 AM (Kflw4)

326
Thus the coming middle class anarchy. Why the hell should anyone play by the rules? All that happens is that you pay for those who refuse to do so.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 10, 2012 02:19 PM (Gk3SS)


Yep, FK em, work for cash.

Isn't this what the Greeks did? No one was paying taxes. They just wanted the bennies!

Posted by: echo $MEH at November 11, 2012 07:42 AM (BHM5V)

327 Other details emerged Saturday indicating that the Petraeus allegations became a secret election-night drama for the Obama administration. That evening, the Justice Department informed the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., that their investigation had unearthed compromising information about the CIA director, according to a senior U.S. intelligence official.

Clapper then spoke with Petraeus and urged him to resign, notifying the White House the next day. That sequence has become a source of controversy, raising questions among some members of Congress about why key intelligence committees were not notified earlier and why the FBI waited before informing the administration about a probe that had stumbled onto embarrassing details about the CIA chief.

The law enforcement officials did not provide an exact timeline for the investigation, but they said the inquiry started several months ago. They said investigators thought they were dealing with a routine harassment case until some communications were traced to a private e-mail account belonging to Petraeus.

The sexually explicit nature of the communications caused investigators to suspect that someone had broken into Petraeus’s e-mail account, leading to concerns about potential national security breaches, according to the officials. As the investigation proceeded and more evidence emerged, including Broadwell’s role, FBI investigators realized they had uncovered an affair between Petraeus and Broadwell, the officials said.

The e-mails from Broadwell indicated that she thought the other woman was becoming involved with Petraeus, according to the officials. They said the e-mails were “threatening and harassing” but not specific enough to warrant criminal charges.

One of the officials said that the recipient of the e-mails complained to Petraeus about them and that the FBI later obtained e-mails between Petraeus and Broadwell in which they discussed the harassment.

The investigators first interviewed Petraeus about two weeks ago, the officials said. They reviewed the evidence with him but did not suggest that he should resign or that he would be charged with a crime, according to the officials.

One of the officials said Justice Department officials were unclear on what steps to take after they concluded that there would be no charges against the CIA director or Broadwell and that there had been no breach of national security.

“What was our responsibility?” said one of the officials. “We were in an area where we’d never been before.”

The notification finally came Tuesday evening, while polls were still open across the country in an election that would return President Obama to office for four more years.

“Director Clapper learned of the situation from the FBI on Tuesday evening around 5 p.m.,” a senior U.S. intelligence official said. “In subsequent conversations with Director Petraeus, Director Clapper advised Director Petraeus to resign.”

Hmmmm

admin seems to be saying that the FBI is not outraged. Seems to be saying the timing was their idea. More timeline revision

Posted by: Thunderb at November 11, 2012 08:11 AM (Dnbau)

328
Everyone interviewed so far has said it was fairly common knowledge that the General and Blackwell were having a fling, that the relationship was more than biographer/subject, when he was still commanding in Afghanistan.
They point out that ALL people appointed to be CIA Director have to undergo a lie-detector test and that the standard first important question is, "Do you have anything in your past or present that would be embarrassing or compromising were people to find out."
IOW, the Obama admin cannot claim they didn't know the General was having the affair before they appointed him.
So, if they knew then, and they had to, why would the General now feel he had to resign?

Posted by: gm at November 11, 2012 01:17 PM (wgmUB)

329
154-Fenelon:
I'm also a woman - been shooting a year. Do it-it will make you feel much stronger.
The advice above to go to a local range and get their opinion(s) is great. Have a couple of lessons. I'm lucky because my boyfriend was in the artillery and is a great teacher. Handle a variety of guns and see which one(s) feel(s) the most comfortable. I started out with a Smith and Wesson .38/.357 Magnum revolver and I love it. I use our Ruger SR22 .22 automatic a lot because I can go through a lot of ammo cheaply.BF and I both love it.Next will be a Glock 19 .9 MM auto.
Good luck and enjoy-with what's going on, G-d knows we may need to seriously use these soon.

Posted by: tarot1124 at November 12, 2012 03:44 AM (WOMCT)

330 don't be simple people. Jesus. I'm so sick of the blame game. Either side would have delayed the resignation in the same circumstance. and by the way, nobody had blackmailed anybody in this case. The general was getting some pussy on the side. thats it. just because the resignation was delayed does NOT mean that administration wasn't doing it's due diligence. This is a man with a wife and a family. how does loosing the job keep him from getting blackmailed anyways?

Posted by: andrew at November 22, 2012 01:23 PM (d1Rc7)






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