Friday Morning News Dump


Special article: The Entire GOP Elite Seems To Be Selling Out En masse On Immigration. Boehner, Sean Hannity, Cantor, Krauthammer, etc. We cannot allow this to happen. How does it make sense to legalize a group of people who voted overwhelmingly Democrat? Do you want to make Texas a swing state? An amnesty program would be the end of the Republican party as we know it. How naive are these people? Does Sean Hannity think we'll get credit for the amnesty? Did we get credit for the 1986 amnesty or did the Democrats?

I'm all for a path to citizenship through legal channels. I'm not for granting blanket amnesty to people here illegally. I know people on our side are going to claim people like me are overreacting and that there isn't a deal on the table. Great, you trust the same people who put forth comprehensive immigration reform. I'm not. You trust that the Democrats will negotiate in good faith. I'm not.

We lost an election on Tuesday by a little more than 2 million votes. We weren't blown out. We don't need to capitulate on everything. What did the Democrats do after they lost to Bush in 2004? Remember when they helped him push through social security reform? Me neither.


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Posted by: BenK at 09:13 AM



Comments

1 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (a0nis)

2 Play Lucy with the football. Vote for a do-nothing Govt. Commission filled with ex-party hacks on both sides to report back in Dec. 2014 on with a comprehensive immigration bill. Report can quickly gather dust. There--problem solved.

Posted by: wg at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (MnoZQ)

3 A cautionary note on amnesty. Declaring your intent to become an illegal alien residing in the US is one of the few things that will cause the State Department to reject your expatriation.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (SDkq3)

4 Also, still not understanding why Hispanics come here from shithole countries only to try to implement the same policies that made their countries shitholes. Shouldn't they want for something better?

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (a0nis)

5 Yeah, I'm sure La Raza will be all for enforcement of different immigration laws.

Posted by: Whatev at November 09, 2012 09:20 AM (2t6Gz)

6 Are you just "borrowing" headlines from Geothermal now?

Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (T4SG9)

7 I hate asking this, but if Hillary runs do we have a candidate that can beat the Clinton name and experience? Will this country say our next step is a female? 50.1 % of this country fall for the Clinton name? Hillary worries me. She's the only one that worries me. Maybe I'm nuts.

Posted by: teebone at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (YtLSL)

8 I'm torn on George P. Bush. On the one hand, he's another MFing Bush (another MFing GEORGE Bush). On the other hand, he's a hottie and I wouldn't mind hearing him speak spanish to me through the tele.

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (kzCIn)

9 Let. It. Burn. Let the left perish in a Thunderdome of their own making. And I'm talking literally, not figuratively. What can't continue, won't.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 09, 2012 09:23 AM (d0Dmj)

10 The beltway GOP is in full-blown panic. While we should evaluate what went wrong in the 2012 election, what we need is sober, dispassionate analysis, not immediate capitulation. Lets go through the lame duck evaluating what went wrong -- we'll have plenty of time to formulate policy positions on these issues in the next congress.

Posted by: Revenant at November 09, 2012 09:24 AM (W7GH9)

11

From the Blaze piece linked above:

Darden Restaurants -

The company, which was among those who had received an Obamacare waiver in the past, is looking to limit workers to 28 hours per week. A full time employee that is required to have health insurance (lest the employer pay a fine) works 30 hours per week, as defined by the Obamacare law.



heh

Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 09, 2012 09:24 AM (LpQbZ)

12 I like the idea of young, conservative journalist-types infiltrating the MSM, rather than becoming a conservative pundit. In the 50s, I don't think people advertised themselves as communist pundits, editorialists, writers, etc. There were some I guess, but for the most part they infiltrated the traditional media outlets and took them over from the inside. Maybe it could work again.

Posted by: Dante at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (NWLVJ)

13

I am confident that if Congress declares amnesty for the millions of illegals currently in America, no additional illegals will ever desire to cross over because we've used up the finite supply?

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (lDWQr)

14 @11

If everyone gets two 28 hour a week jobs, they'll be prospering in no time!

Kinda sucks if you like free time though.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (a0nis)

15 I'm all for a path to citizenship through legal channels.
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A legal path to citizenship is already in place. I know two illegals who used that path. They had to go back to Mexico for months while the application was reviewed and processed, but they still got their green card. The next step is to apply for status as a naturalized citizen.

Blanket amnesty is just easier and also cheaper. (for the applicants).

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (jm/9g)

16 Waiting on the opening bell.

Posted by: NCKate at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (MsQkt)

17
The hispanic vote votedfor free goodies. They could care less about immigration.

Posted by: Fresh at November 09, 2012 09:27 AM (O7ksG)

18 From The Hill

Axelrod: Election shows PACs ‘can’t buy the White House’

Good, then I take it you won't be bitching about it the next time you're outspent 2:1 by PACs, right Axe?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 09:27 AM (sbV1u)

19

Mark Levin had the perfect solution to this joke of a mess on illegal immigration.

A pro-conservative solution: go out to the rest of the world and entice illegal immigrants from, say, eastern europe where they understand how bad socialism/marxism, etc is, and allow them the same damn path as the 3rd world illegals are getting.

love it

Remember the legal immigrant from e. Europe who invested his own money to make a tv commercial against obama? There are millions and millions of people out there that get what America is and what it offers.

Levin says, play the dem game, but bring in people who aren't all about the free stuff.

Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 09, 2012 09:28 AM (LpQbZ)

20 Senior Moan is back.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 09:28 AM (xAtAj)

21 More proof that the Rethuglican "elite" is effed in the head. Student Council Weenie Clique wannabes. They want to reward people whose very first act in out country was a felony. Illegal immigration is illegal. Period.
Deport them and all their family memebers, anchor babies or not, and liquidate their assets, if any, to help defray our expenses. Make them wait, oh, idk, 20 years before they can apply for a legal visa. Simple.
Hey, Hannity, and all you Dartmouth fools, or well-creased-trouser BJ artists at the Capitol! You may get some illegals to vote for your sorry B.S., but you lose every single one of the Sons of the Pioneers. Oh, wait, that's math! (Sorry.)

Posted by: Thorvald at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (1V6Pv)

22 I do think the GOP should learn to speak spanish.

Posted by: Fresh at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (O7ksG)

23
Obama's pacs bought the white house.

Shut up axelfuck.

Posted by: Fresh at November 09, 2012 09:30 AM (O7ksG)

24 This country has had ig too easy for far too long. What people need to learn, is that elections, just like erections, have consequences. After some long, sleepless nights, and doing without for awhile, might wake some of them the fuck up and force them to start making adult choices. Adult choices do not always equal the easy, fun ones. But that doesn't mean they don't have to be made.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 09, 2012 09:30 AM (d0Dmj)

25 Another George Bush is exactly what the party AND the country don't need. Are we really saying that in a country of 330 million people that all we can find as presidential candidates are George Bushes?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 09, 2012 09:30 AM (jucos)

26 On the TV news this morning they were discussing the fiscal cliff and how bad it is. Wouldn't that have been more useful a couple weeks ago? But since they framed it as all about repubs compromising they still don't get it.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (tf9Ne)

27 Also, still not understanding why Hispanics come here from shithole countries only to try to implement the same policies that made their countries shitholes. Shouldn't they want for something better?

The same reason people leave California and then try to recreate California where they go.....parasites only know how to consume and do not know how to produce.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (OWjjx)

28 Elevator going down.

Posted by: NCKate at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (MsQkt)

29
Very soon a large portion of the electorate will be very poor left wing immigrants, soon after that the full effects of Obamacare will begin to materialize. Soon after that...

Posted by: BuckIV at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (+4mBJ)

30 BenK,

The only thing missing from your otherwise perfect rant was stating more overtly the fact that these people need to realize that these illegals are NOT going to vote Republican. E V E R

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (uD2fR)

31 Ben -- I doubt there are more than one or two here who oppose legal immigration. A vast majority will recoil at the Kraut/Hannity/Cantor notion that we should suddenly swing the doors wide open for illegals.

If we abandon all our principles (and, in doing so, hasten the transformation of the country into a third-world shithole) for votes, what do we "win?"

There are three memes I would like to see go away ASAP: The first is the "let it burn" crap. I don't want to see the country destroyed. If it "burns," we will too.

The second is any form of McCain bashing and/or deification of second-class political hacks (Palin, Rubio, Jindal). We know McCain lost, it's over. What we don't know is whether Palin, Rubio and Jindal are actually worth a shit beyond the legends built around them. Let them demonstrate their skill, and then support them. Or not.

Finally, the high-minded "there was no fraud" bullshit. While I have no evidence there was actual vote-tampering, my view of the results (and the Democrat candidate) makes it highly likely there was. This is, it goes without saying, illegal (as have been so many of Choom Boy's actions) that it MUST be investigated and, if proven, punished.

I refuse to hand my support to the Poppin' Fresh wing of politics. One thing history has proven about squishes is that they get squished.

This is, IMO, the time to fight. Hard.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (yKUrR)

32 24- That surely has worked in Europe.

We have reached the point of 2 wolves and a sheep voting whats for dinner.

The end of the republic was the 17th amendment.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 09:32 AM (+VMZ0)

33 [i[Shouldn't they want for something better?

Their idea of "something better" is the same, with them on top.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (GBXon)

34 We shouldn't be harsh on Obama. He inherited quite a mess from TFG.

Posted by: fluffy at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (z9HTb)

35 "Are You Ready For Another Bush?"

God, no.

The trajectory of the post-Reagan GOP has been determined primarily by the Bush family. And the post-Reagan GOP has been a freaking disaster.

Can you name one single issue of interest to conservatives where our national standing has improved since 1988?

No, neither can I.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (ymG7s)

36 OT, but related: Ex-Carnegie Mellon trustee involved with drug cartel
Charged with laundering plots (also gave 250k for Hispanic student scholarship) http://tinyurl.com/aqahm9f


Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (opS9C)

37 John Wayne once said..."Life is tough and it is even tougher if you are stupid". Well the stupid voted on Tuesday and now the stupid will suffer their decision. Gots too keep Obama in President cause you gets a free Obama phone you know....Barack Hussien Obama>>>>> Four More years !

Posted by: Wall_E at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (48wze)

38 "go out to the rest of the world and entice illegal immigrants from,
say, eastern europe where they understand how bad socialism/marxism, etc
is, and allow them the same damn path as the 3rd world illegals are
getting."

They are already here; and the ones who are not, are flooding W Europe and draining their entitlement programs; the ones who understood socialism left when it still existed, the ones left are typical statists.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (WR5xI)

39 DJIA is down. Yippee.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (a0nis)

40 Aw, c'mon...

....no more Bush's, ....please?

Give it a century or two and get back to me. Maybe my position will evolve.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (SLg2R)

41 You what term I'm never going to miss from this election?

Undertow Election.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (uD2fR)

42 Boehner, Sean Hannity, Cantor, Krauthammer, etc. We cannot allow this to happen.



Must throw Krautman out of that group. He is a Democrat neo-con. Only reliable on Israel defense issues.


But it is not surprising that the leaders of the RNC wish to go back to Amnesty and use the election as an excuse when all the evidence we are seeing points to the exact opposite.


The Hispanics did not sit at home. They turned out and voted overwhelmingly for moar government cheese.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (YdQQY)

43 I'm a legal immigrant and I went through the process. I filled out every piece of paperwork, paid all the fees, got fingerprinted, interviewed three times, took my stupid little civics test, then took the oath.

Newsflash: it's not fucking hard at all. It just takes time.

What I'm seeing now is a fucking mockery of what I went through to do it right. If this is the future, then I wasted 4 years of my life for nothing. I should have just went on doing what I was doing, knowing that sooner or later, my party would help become legal in a snap of a finger.




Fuck this shit. Burn it down.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (GQ8sn)

44 There are times when I really start to wonder if we all would have been better off just letting Al Gore win.........

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (OWjjx)

45 "Can you name one single issue of interest to conservatives where our national standing has improved since 1988?"

Guns.

And that's because of the NRA.

There's probably a lesson there.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (sRsX7)

46 As I mentioned in a recent email, this is nothing less than Stockholm Syndrome.

Posted by: Peter at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (9FQ7y)

47 Give it a century or two and get back to me. Maybe my position will evolve.

I would totally vote for a Bush...that was absolutely no relation to George Bush's family line.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (GBXon)

48 33- It's the "but" factor.

We see it with inter state migration; "Wow this state has fantastic low taxes! Awesome! BUT this place needs more school spending, more frequent trash pickup, a bigger library and a community center. Then it will be perfect!"

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (+VMZ0)

49 This is good stuff.

http://tinyurl.com/cal4hve

If you're down. Which you are. Michele Malkin - 20 Things That Went Right on Election Day.

Posted by: Dang at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (R18D0)

50
The Stupid Party renews and validates it's claim to that title.

They'll soon join the Dodo and Carrier Pigeon's ranks

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (JJ+PT)

51 31

It's going to burn. The country can't NOT burn. From the FSA on down to the under-funded pensions to the QEinfinity. Unless you have $20+ trillion laying around unused and un-earmarked. We have "kicked the can" down the road for far too long. There is no money left.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 09, 2012 09:38 AM (d0Dmj)

52 CNN was hitting the "compromise" angle haaaaard last night. Some of the personalities they had commenting on there? Charles Blow and Van Jones.

No shit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 09:38 AM (uD2fR)

53 "Must throw Krautman out of that group. He is a Democrat Ziombie"


FIFY

Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 09:39 AM (T4SG9)

54 #31
There are three memes I would like to see go away ASAP: The first is the "let it burn" crap. I don't want to see the country destroyed. If it "burns," we will too.
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The "let it burn" mentality, at least to me, does not mean the destruction of the nation. We are on an unsustainable path, and apparently will remain on it thanks to the House leadership. That being the case, let the welfare state collapse under its own weight. Let the 1.1 trillion in cuts happen. Math wins in the end, I just want it to win soon so we can start rebuilding soon.

Posted by: Dante at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (NWLVJ)

55 Blanket amnesty is just easier and also cheaper. (for the applicants).

Blatant disregard for the law should always be rewarded.


Anyway, I'm loving the part where waitrons and bus boys are gonna hafta to pay the no-health-insurance fine/tax (and their Gay Studies degree student loans) on fewer working hours. All equally miserable. Viva socialism.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (/kI1Q)

56 If you don't really believe that a naturally conservative group like Hispanics, most of whom are fleeing over-fed states and are socially traditionalist and want to be successful, cannot be spoken to and persuaded, then fold up the tent and go home.

Leave the country to the democrats.

I get so damned sick of people whose conservatism boils down to a simple desire to keep things as they are. America is changing, and if conservatives are stuck in the past bitching about how it's not like the 80's, they will become a thing of the past.

Does this mean becoming pro-choice? No, but try for a little consistency. Why can't conservatives oppose abortion by thinking of positive alternatives for women who are pregnant and afraid to introduce a life into the world? Show some freaking understanding and stop coming across like a bunch of assholes.

Does this mean amnesty? Go back and listen to Ronald Reagan on the subject. he couldn't get out of the primaries today. If you are afraid to let people in because you are afraid of losing your political power, then let me tell you something, sweetheart, you've already lost.

Edmund Burke, the father of American conservatism, recognized that mores and values change organically over time. The best governance is that which reflects where people are at the moment. Governments that try to maintain the status quo in the face of a changing national ethos are every bit as bad as governments that try to impose one on an unwilling public.

That is why Burke supported the American Revolution and opposed the French. The American one was an authentic expression of national desire. The French was a fabricated imposition.

The American ethos is changing, but that doesn't mean that people want a bloated authoritarian state.

Learn to communicate and stop coming off like a bunch of assholes. That's my advice to the GOP.


Posted by: PC at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (GDX/y)

57 Righhhhhht .. Why would anyone be opposed to legal immigration ?
Does the number 1965 ring a bell?

Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (T4SG9)

58 32

As long as we still have the 2nd Amendment, it'll be two wolves and a WELL armed sheep voting for dinner.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (d0Dmj)

59 There have been 7 other prior amnesties in the US; surely the 8th time will be a charm:

The amnesty of 1986 was supposed to be a "one time only" amnesty. Yet since 1986, Congress passed a total of 7 amnesties for illegal aliens:

The Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA) Amnesty of 1986 - the "one-time only" blanket amnesty for some 2.8 million illegal aliens.
Section 245(i) The Amnesty of 1994 - a temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens.
Section 245(i) The Extension Amnesty of 1997 - an extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994.
The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty of 1997 - an amnesty for nearly one million illegal aliens from Central America.
The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA) of 1998 - an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.
The Late Amnesty of 2000 - an amnesty for approximately 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty.
The LIFE Act Amnesty of 2000 - a reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty to an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens.


Link in sig

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (ccXZP)

60 "It
may be the will of Heaven that America shall suffer calamities still
more wasting and distressing yet more dreadful. If this is to be the
case, it will have this good effect, at least: it will inspire us will
many virtues, which we have not, and correct many errors, follies, and
vices, which threaten to disturb, dishonor, and destroy us. The furnace
of affliction produces refinement, in states as well as individuals." --
John Adams in a letter to Abigail Adams dated July 3rd 1776 but could
have been written November 5th 2012

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 09:41 AM (6J+oK)

61
We could solve all of our problems by letting the country divide into three to five regional nations. Oklahoma does not need Detroit's problems.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 09, 2012 09:41 AM (QyMDY)

62 I'm all for a path to citizenship through legal channels. I'm not for granting blanket amnesty to people here illegally.


It's my understanding that it costs tens of thousands of dollars and several years to go through the legal channels. Are all of those people going to get their money back and instant citizenship? I'm quite serious about that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 09:41 AM (VtjlW)

63 @59 Counting is raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacist!

Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 09:42 AM (T4SG9)

64 "The Stupid Party renews and validates it's claim to that title.

They'll soon join the Dodo and Carrier Pigeon's ranks"



For what? The Libertarian party? They're more Democrat than Democrat on this issue. Seem to operate quite happily under the delusion that these people assimilate, might vote against the state, and are wonderfully upstanding people.


This is putting me back in a foul, foul mood.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 09:42 AM (uD2fR)

65 >>We shouldn't be harsh on Obama. He inherited quite a mess from TFG.


Posted by: fluffy

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Thread-worthy comment!

Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 09:42 AM (qac/Q)

66 The Entire GOP Elite Seems To Be Selling Out En masse On Immigration.

To paraphrase Marie Antoinette -- Let them eat cock.

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 09:42 AM (6J+oK)

67 If you don't really believe that a naturally conservative group like Hispanics

I don't believe they are "naturally conservative." Go look at the history of South America.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 09:42 AM (/kI1Q)

68 "Does this mean becoming pro-choice? No, but try for a little consistency. Why can't conservatives oppose abortion by thinking of positive alternatives for women who are pregnant and afraid to introduce a life into the world? Show some freaking understanding and stop coming across like a bunch of assholes."

One day, I hope you can meet and talk to an actual conservative instead of the poorly constructed straw men you think we are.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 09:43 AM (sRsX7)

69 Cannot wait for family Thanksgiving dinner.

Way past being liked by fools.

Plan on taking two cars, as I will most likely go home early.

Posted by: nip at November 09, 2012 09:43 AM (11Tdq)

70 F Chuck Todd is getting ready to discuss ORCA failure on MSNBC. He featured the AoSHQ article earlier in a teaser.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 09:43 AM (ZDsRL)

71
Even if GOP got some credit for amnesty it wouldn't change the fact the Hispanic demographic is predominately on the receiving end of the government. The fact that we gave them citizenship won't change this, they'll still vote for free stuff at someone else's expense. GOP elite needs a good tar and feathering.

I'm all for letting the illegals stay and work here. Amnesty is the wrong answer. Give them work visas. And do away with the anchor baby misinterpretation of the Constitution.

Posted by: Andrew at November 09, 2012 09:44 AM (Egza/)

72 The American ethos is changing, but that doesn't mean that people want a bloated authoritarian state.

Well, some people don't. Others don't care. And some sure as hell do.

Hey, is there a new "Oww My Balls!" tonight or is it still reruns?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 09, 2012 09:44 AM (7vSU0)

73 It's my understanding that it costs tens of thousands of dollars and
several years to go through the legal channels. Are all of those people
going to get their money back and instant citizenship? I'm quite
serious about that.


It doesn't cost tens of thousands. It costs around $3000 to $4000 in total and about 4-6 years of your life for the naturalization phase, depending on your circumstances.

It's entirely doable.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:44 AM (GQ8sn)

74 Face the cold hard facts ladies: we didn't loose because the GOP doesn't appeal to illegal immigrants, ORCA, Romneys lack of flare, star power or what ever your excuse of the day happens to be. We lost because there's more takers than givers. Period. And I don't meant just the poor, hell 8 of the 10 richest counties in this country voted Obumbles, what does that tell you? It's not likely the conservatives in this country are going to change that perspective in the next4 years.

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 09:44 AM (WEWGu)

75 Have to post this every time the left (including RNC) calls for “reform”.


Yes we need immigration reform, but NOT what has been rolled out the last half dozen times. Every bill that has come out since the first major rewrite in 1965 has basically been amnesty and open invitation for illegals to flood across the border.


We are no longer the country of the 19th century with vast open areas in the West. Our cities are overcrowded shit holes run by corrupt communist hacks AND there is no longer a vast area open for the inhabitants to flee to and take up farming.


This is not to mention that we have entire towns in CA with a population > 20,000 in which none of the citizens speak English. The current crew of "immigrants" do not appear to desire to assimilate and the current crowd of liberals do not think they should. The schools have gone from teaching America as a mixing pot to America as a salad bowl where "diversity" is celebrated and heritage counts for all, unless you have a European heritage then you are a racist.


Yes, there are a lot of things that need to be done to "fix" our immigration laws. The first one of these should be to repeal that POS of Amnesty Round I that got us where we are today.


We need immigration law that does the following AND that is enforced:


1. Eliminate the BS anchor baby interpretation by providing a definition of what the term “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means, which is not dashing across the border to deliver a baby. Personally, I would require that at least one of the parents of any child born in the U.S. be a citizen before that child was eligible for “birthright” citizenship. If not, then the child would have to undergo naturalization.


2. Provide a reliable means for employers to check the status of employees.


3. Provide severe punishments for knowingly hiring illegals (or reckless disregard). That punishment should include jail time for repeat violations.


4. Eliminate ALL benefits for illegals including schools for children.


5. Rewrite legal immigration to allow in immigrants with a desirable education and/or skill set and arrange the waiting list to have the most skilled/educated at the top of the list. (Australian system) Also include a check for communicable diseases (as we did in the past) and provide for immunization. Immigrants from countries on the list of terror support need not apply.


6. For groups that already have large populations in the U.S. who have not assimilated, reduce the allowable numbers until they do (eliminate whole towns that do not speak English)


7. Provide severe penalties for mules.


8. Provide the death penalty for people involved in sex slavery.


9. Eliminate all forms of asylum. That system has been abused to the point of making it a joke. Any true case that needs to be let in should be a case by case special act passed by congress. Get them on record.


10. Immigrants who become involved in any serious crime prior to becoming a citizen should be deported back to their home country.


11. Absolutely no dual citizenship allowed.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:44 AM (YdQQY)

76 A few things I no longer have to listen to for the next election:

1) Redskins Rule
2) That University of Colorado Election Model
3) The Bread and Peace Model
4) "No president since FDR has ever been reelected with an economy this bad/unemployment this high.
5) ORCA is amazing!
6) Republicans will crawl over broken glass to vote TFG out!

And the one that pains me the most:
7) Nate Silver is wrong.

Fuck.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 09, 2012 09:45 AM (s/PhC)

77 Don't the GOP types who suddenly support amnesty remember that we lost the house in 2006 because of "W"'s position on illegal immigration?

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 09:45 AM (jm/9g)

78
The problem is not GOP ideas or political stances, the problem is community organizing. Someone above mentioned that the the only thing that has improved since 1988 is gun freedoms, mostly because of the NRA.

We need 500 NRAs. The left has them.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 09, 2012 09:45 AM (QyMDY)

79 22 I do think the GOP should learn to speak spanish.
Posted by: Fresh at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (O7ksG)


And I think every illegal lah-tee-noh should learn Chinese, English, Low and High German, French, Swahili, Greek, Latin and every Paupuan New Guinea dialect and sub-tongue, recite the US Constitution backwards in Galic, while doing the Macarena, run 3 miles in less than 16 minutes and bench 350. Kids under 5 can skip Swahili.

Then we'll put you on the list for a green card.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:46 AM (SLg2R)

80 If you don't really believe that a naturally conservative group like Hispanics..

That doesn't matter. Apparently, the Hispanic community believes that Obama is pro-life and against gay marriage.

So they voted for their social conservative.

Now what?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 09, 2012 09:46 AM (7vSU0)

81 Republicans (big R) are the new Jews. No matter how bad it gets, they WILL be scapegoated.

Third party may become necessary for that reason alone.

Separately, in order to win converts we must ENGAGE. I speak from the perspective of a (sometime) symphony musician.

Orchestra audiences have been crashing for decades because the musicians and management haven't stayed connected to the larger culture as it has changed. People who come to live classical music performances are often wowed, but they never think of it because they "know" classical music is boring and irrelevant. Outreach ON THEIR TERMS is essential.

Conservative principles are sound. Be patient, polite, and persistent. Because no matter what happens, we are going to need popular support to salvage anything.

Posted by: Piercello at November 09, 2012 09:46 AM (E/6f0)

82 >>> How does it make sense to legalize a group of people who voted overwhelmingly Democrat?

The argument goes that by embracing open immigration, you take that advantage away from Democrats, and they flock to the GOP for social reasons.

My counterargument? Socialist Spain and pretty much all of South America.

And more unpalatable non-PC observations.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:46 AM (SKX2R)

83 The for real War on Religion got squashed, the progs successfully changed the subject and turned it into fictional War on Women.

Latino's need to know the War on Religion is real.

Read that Moose-limbs terrierest try to convert Latinos by saying their book mentions Mother Mary more than the Bible. (guess many mentions of Mother Mary is intended to demean and make her out to be like any other ordinary person/ mother).

We should not fall over over ourselves and get into a contest of who can buy the Latino votes, but feed their natural conservatism.

Isn't Mark Levin coming out soon with a Spanish version of his book Ameratopia?

Latino's need to be warned they are selling their souls while government want to replace their religion. This is not deceitful - it is the truth. Commies hate the "opiate of the masses."


Posted by: Deli LLama at November 09, 2012 09:46 AM (lGu1O)

84 Saw JJJ on the news this morning with his pa. Me tinks he is gaming the system to stay out of jail.

Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 09:46 AM (qac/Q)

85 98ZJUSMC- please see my @235 & @461 previous thread and acknowledge. These folks are gonna need you.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 09, 2012 09:47 AM (K4AdI)

86 It's premature to talk about amnesty. This country, after four more years of 0bama will be neck and neck with the countries these people fled.

See? Problem solved.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 09:47 AM (feFL6)

87 "That doesn't matter. Apparently, the Hispanic community believes that Obama is pro-life and against gay marriage. "

Our side went to great lengths this election to avoid mentioning abortion or gay marriage. This was the Day of the Fiscal Conservative.

Behold his power.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 09:47 AM (sRsX7)

88 44
There are times when I really start to wonder if we all would have been better off just letting Al Gore win.........

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (OWjjx)


A friend of mine (big liberal) posted on Facebook that he asked his dad if he ever thought where we would be if Gore had won and his dad said "yeah, we wouldn't be fucked." I didn't reply (because I hate facebook political posts), but I agree with him, if not for the same reasons. Like it or not, Bush has hurt the Republican party more than the Democrats ever could.

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (kzCIn)

89 "Must throw Krautman out of that group. He is a Democrat neo-con. Only reliable on Israel defense issues. "

Why don't you google Krauthammer and obamacare, or Krauthammer and energy or Krauthammer and Social Security - for starters, and read where he really stands. He is a solid conservative.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (WR5xI)

90 The Entire GOP Elite Seems To Be Selling Out En masse On Immigration.

To paraphrase Marie Antoinette -- Let them eat cock.


Newswetta, subswipshun!

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (TVtzh)

91 The real answer to our illegal immigration problem is a good legal immigration system. But there is no constituency for that.

I am all for giving the people what they want. This country doesn't want to be the preeminent power in the world, it wants free birth control pills., it wants to let everyone come here and everyone vote regardless.

Let's just do it.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (7vSU0)

92 Why can't conservatives oppose abortion by thinking of positive
alternatives for women who are pregnant and afraid to introduce a life
into the world?


1) Organizations that do this already exist.
2) Democrats want to ban them.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (/kI1Q)

93 @68 "One day, I hope you can meet and talk to an actual conservative instead of the poorly constructed straw men you think we are."

I've been one all my life and I've actually made a study of it. A good starting point is The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot and Burke's Reflections. You'll find that there is an actual philosophy underneath conservatism that has nothing to do with abortion or immigration.

I have a couple of "straw men" I can introduce you to, btw, and they both lost their senate bids because they came off like assholes on the topic of abortion.

Posted by: PC at November 09, 2012 09:49 AM (GDX/y)

94 "If you don't really believe that a naturally conservative group like Hispanics, most of whom are fleeing over-fed states and are socially traditionalist and want to be successful, cannot be spoken to and persuaded, then fold up the tent and go home."
Oh yay, another completely deluded Reason idiot who knows only bullshit Libertarian Theory concerning Hispanics. They are not naturally conservative, you fucking idiot.

If slapping you in the face with reality makes us assholes, well then I guess we're assholes. If continuing to slide to the left to the point of being indistinguishable from the left is what we are trying to prevent, and that makes us assholes, well then I guess we're assholes.

Take your "embrace change" philosophy back to the public school that drilled it in your tiny little head.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 09:49 AM (uD2fR)

95
Speaking of the Jews, what the hell is wrong with American Jews? Don't they read the newspapers about what today's democratic party stands for?

I have a handful of Jewish friends...maybe just acquaintances now... and they were Team O to a person.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 09, 2012 09:49 AM (l3vZN)

96 7 It's not likely the conservatives in this country are going to change that perspective in the next4 years.
Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 09:44 AM (WEWGu)


Ah, what do I care. I'll be on Social Secur-


uh, wait....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:50 AM (SLg2R)

97 98ZJUSMC- please see my @235 @461 previous thread and acknowledge. These folks are gonna need you.

teej, why go lurker? Costs you nothing to come here and post a few comments. Something up?

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:50 AM (GQ8sn)

98 That prat Krauthammer is out with a WaPo article opining that the GOP needs to engage in a bunch of energetic Hispandering.

He says that Hispanics are "natural conservatives" because, among other things, they're Catholic. This has been a refrain of long standing among amnesty proponents.Except for one teensy tiny turd in the punchbowl.

Catholics, of all ethnic stripes, did not strongly turn out to vote Republican this week. Despite the extremely strong urging from Catholic authorities that they do so. And despite the continual and massive assault on Catholic healthcare by this administration.

So where again is the electoral magic for the GOP in Catholicism? Just askin'.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 09:50 AM (ymG7s)

99 Selling out on immigration ?, that is just added voters for the new 1 party system. Democrats have1 Party like China , 1 Government program for all comrades, Like China..Maybe we need a real Teaparty , Party...

Posted by: Clemenza at November 09, 2012 09:51 AM (afx6B)

100 71 Even if GOP got some credit for amnesty it wouldn't change the fact the Hispanic demographic is predominately on the receiving end of the government.


Whenever someone TRIES to make you believe hispanic = predominantly conservative, ALWAYS remembwr these two words: Anchor baby. (And then all of the free shit that flows from it).

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 09, 2012 09:51 AM (d0Dmj)

101 Our side went to great lengths this election to
avoid mentioning abortion or gay marriage. This was the Day of the
Fiscal Conservative.



Behold his power.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 09:47 AM (sRsX7)

Bullshit. Our side introduced the phrase "legitimate rape" into the American vernacular.

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 09:51 AM (kzCIn)

102
56If you don't really believe that a naturally conservative group like Hispanics, most of whom are fleeing over-fed states and are socially traditionalist and want to be successful, cannot be spoken to and persuaded, then fold up the tent and go home.

I have no idea where this notion that Hispanics are "naturally conservative" comes from. How many Hispanic controlled countries are left wing?
I've spent a significant part of my working life deposing immigrants in California for workers' comp defense firms, they have never, as a group, given me any indication that they maintain conservative principles in any way shape or form.

There likely will be amnesty and the newly minted citizens will vote practically exclusively for left wing politicians.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (+4mBJ)

103 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (/eBe8)

104
If you don't want blanket amnesty (I don't either), the only thing left to do about the illegals in the nations is...to pull a Hoover/Roosevelt/Eisenhower/Trumanand load them up on trains and send them south, whether Mexico or anyone likes the idea or not.
If ya wanna argue about the issue, ya gotta know yer history.
It's been done before.
Second problem: How to prevent vote fraud in our elections. How's about making it a capital crime, withten to twenty years in prison for convictions on the first offence? ...mebbe toss in some asset forfeiture stuff, upon conviction in a court of law, too?

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (WwR1j)

105 EC obviously missed DrewM's post yesterday

http://minx.cc/?post=334774


Hispanics do not give a flying shit about social issues. The majority of them want government cheese.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (YdQQY)

106 Orchestra audiences have been crashing for decades because the musicians
and management haven't stayed connected to the larger culture as it has
changed.


...and musicians' unions continue to strike for higher wages, which is mildly entertaining.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (/kI1Q)

107 103
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (/eBe


You really going to keep that up for another 4 years?

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (GQ8sn)

108 According to the US Census "People who identify with the terms “Hispanic” or “Latino” are those who
classify themselves in one of the specific Hispanic or Latino categories
listed on the decennial census questionnaire and various Census Bureau
survey questionnaires – “Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano” or ”Puerto
Rican” or “Cuban” – as well as those who indicate that they are “another
Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin." Origin can be viewed as the
heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person
or the person’s ancestors before their arrival in the United States.
People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be
of any race."

Let's stop the myth that "Hispanics" are a contiguous voting bloc that can be wooed into voting for conservative values. I am sure there are some that we can bring home, but not at the cost of abandoning principles.


Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 09:53 AM (6J+oK)

109 [/]Speaking of the Jews, what the hell is wrong with American Jews? Don't they read the newspapers about what today's democratic party stands for?

I have a handful of Jewish friends...maybe just acquaintances now... and they were Team O to a person.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 09, 2012 09:49 AM (l3vZN)

Not being anti-semetic, but the Left in this country was started, mostly, by Jews.

Just stating fact.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:53 AM (SLg2R)

110 Now that we've legalized weed, those nice boys in the cartels will lay down their arms and pay taxes on their dope like good little naturalized citizens.

Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 09:53 AM (/ZZCn)

111 Bullshit. Our side introduced the phrase "legitimate rape" into the American vernacular.
Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 09:51 AM (kzCIn)

Heh. Thats the funniest thing I've read this morning. Thank you.

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 09:53 AM (WEWGu)

112 Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (WwR1j)


Need a troll buster Bonesteel was banned by ace.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:53 AM (YdQQY)

113
"I don't believe they are "naturally conservative." Go look at the history of South America."
Excellent point.

Posted by: Andrew at November 09, 2012 09:54 AM (Egza/)

114 105
EC obviously missed DrewM's post yesterday

http://minx.cc/?post=334774


Hispanics do not give a flying shit about social issues. The majority of them want government cheese.


Me? What did I say? My response to atc? Yeah, that was explaining how it's not prohibitively expensive to go through the legal channels and yes, if you are patient and jump through the hoops, you will become a citizen in the end.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:54 AM (GQ8sn)

115 Barak Obama is a Fiscal Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 09:54 AM (6J+oK)

116 Does this mean becoming pro-choice? No, but try for a little consistency. Why can't conservatives oppose abortion by thinking of positive alternatives for women who are pregnant and afraid to introduce a life into the world? Show some freaking understanding and stop coming across like a bunch of assholes.

We do. Offering support and counsel for women who change their minds at the clinic is part and parcel of of the pro-life movement, and there are whole organizations for doing so. We just do it privately, not through government regulations, kinda like we are conservative or something. If you social-lib types would stop relying on the MSM caricatures of social-cons, you would know this.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 09, 2012 09:54 AM (DeRsD)

117
Hispanics aren't naturally socialists any more than our brain dead kids in public school. I include my own six year old who just voted Obama. Still too young in my view for politics, but not by our indoctrina.... educators.
My kid thinks we just get money from the money machine.That'sthe foundation of socialism right there.

Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 09:54 AM (sOtz/)

118 Sorry @105, that should be PC not EC.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:55 AM (YdQQY)

119 Well, have to get to work. It is a depressing week.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 09, 2012 09:55 AM (l3vZN)

120 57 Righhhhhht .. Why would anyone be opposed to legal immigration ?
Does the number 1965 ring a bell?
-
Exactly.

And every year since then, on average, the electoral playing field has shifted a little more to the left.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (23WI9)

121 Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 09:50 AM (ymG7s)


Cabbage-smasher makes me tired.

Just in that argument he's denying reality.

Catholics are "natural conservatives?" Tell that to Nancy P, John Kerry, and the Kennedys. Tell it to Notre Dame University. Tell it to all those Catholics who routinely vote Democrat because that's what their family has always done.

Catholics are "natural conservatives' in the same way the Jews are. Yes, their values should be the same, but somehow that very rarely actually translates into votes.

Amnesty is a bad idea on a host of levels, not just because of the politics.

Whatever happened to "enforcement first?" "Tell you what, before we even discuss Amnesty vs. Deportation, let's talk border control and immigration enforcement."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (/eBe8)

122 Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:54 AM (GQ8sn)

Sorry see 118

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (YdQQY)

123 Our side introduced the phrase "legitimate rape" into the American vernacular.

Which is a necessary distinction only because gyno-fascists have redefined "rape" as "being photographed getting kissed on V-J Day" and "changing your mind about consensual sex three days later", but go on, keep insisting we're evil.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (/kI1Q)

124 And by the way, every time a Republican verbally vomits junk science like vaccines cause retardation or magic VJs that repel legitimate rape sperm they undermine real Republican scientific arguments.

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (kzCIn)

125 Dumb Ass's that have Bottom Feeder Jobs are now being layed off Unexpectedly and don't understand why? Maybe something happend last Tuesday...Hold on...Hold on.......Bush lied, no Romney Lied, it can't be that Obama lied.......

Posted by: Wall_E at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (48wze)

126 So who started pushing this "Hispanics are naturally conservaitve" meme?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 09:57 AM (uD2fR)

127 Passed a sign on the 110 FWY at Orange Grove BLVD in South Pasadena , Educators For Obama, now we are all waiting for a school song for great leader, like they do in Kimchee Land

Posted by: Clemenza at November 09, 2012 09:57 AM (afx6B)

128
70. Great. So the task force that I was part of not only cost us the election, but it's also thelaughing stock of the both the political and technical worlds.

I feel like such a failure.

Posted by: Lurker who doesn't want to get in the barrel at November 09, 2012 09:57 AM (tl7W6)

129
"Speaking of the Jews, what the hell is wrong with American Jews? Don't they read the newspapers about what today's democratic party stands for?

I have a handful of Jewish friends...maybe just acquaintances now... and they were Team O to a person."
Another misconception. There is only one socialist country in the Middle East, can you guess its name? That's right, Israel. And besides being a socialist country how does Israel survive? On handouts from the USA and other western nations.
In the Americantraditional sense of the word conservative, ie strict Constitutionalist, individual liberty, etc., Jews aren't conservative at all. Never have been.

Posted by: Andrew at November 09, 2012 09:57 AM (Egza/)

130 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (/eBe


Pfffft. Rule of Law is unfair. It disproportionately impacts a minority of people (law breakers) and therefore is unjust in its application and Social Justice demands that it be disregarded.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (da5Wo)

131 I woke up in the middle of the night last night because of one terrible thought...

There is a new Silent Majority.

Old people who want govt bennies. They either didn't vote or voted O, but quietly. Silently. With some shame. They might have even attended RR rallies.

But they didn't vote for RR in the Rust Belt and other places. The Silent Majority are going to quietly suck the life out of the USA

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (J6kXj)

132 I think the RNC should do a thorough investigation regarding ORCA and the voter turnout. Romney lost by only 2 million. Did the voters really not turnout or did they? I am not saying there was fraud but the Chicago gang is good at it. Do a test. Get a recount for one state and compare the results. Choose Florida. It won't hurt anyone to have a recount.

Posted by: Dahlia at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (yBwO7)

133 Pfffft. Rule of Law is unfair. It disproportionately impacts a minority
of people (law breakers) and therefore is unjust in its application and
Social Justice demands that it be disregarded.


Got any tits for us this morning? Sure could use 'em.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)

134
126 I first heard Sean Duffy's wife say it on 'The Real World San Francisco'. That was the one with Puck and the guy that died of AIDS.

Posted by: Lurker who doesn't want to get in the barrel at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (tl7W6)

135 Good lord. Are you people fuckin kidding me? You're arguing basically over how conservatives can find a way to get illegals on our voting roles. Seriously.

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (WEWGu)

136 but go on, keep insisting we're evil.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (/kI1Q)

I'm not insisting we are evil, I'm insisting we are fucking stupid and anybody who says we went out of our way not to talk about abortion is lying or delusional. It was a fucking stupid comment to make because it gave them a good sound bite to latch onto, and like it or not this is the youtube generation.

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (kzCIn)

137 >>> Speaking of the Jews, what the hell is wrong with American Jews?

The Democrats generally get the highest and lowest IQ demographics of all types, not just Jews.

Most American Jews are Ashekenazi, the highest IQ group on the planet.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (SKX2R)

138 So where again is the electoral magic for the GOP in Catholicism? Just askin'.

They're little different then a county by county map of the past election results -- blue areas the Catholics are liberal -- red areas they're more conservative.

But there's little need to pander to them nor ignore them. Sort of exactly my feelings on illegal immigrants or Hispanic voters.

From what I've seen so far this election was entirely winnable, but some bad things broke at the end. A lot of little stuff that be fixed. Not one grand 'hail mary' pass into the endzone to start the new game.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (feFL6)

139 You really going to keep that up for another 4 years?

Do you see it changing between now and then?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (/eBe8)

140
You fucked up. You trusted us.

Posted by: Project ORCA at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (tl7W6)

141 97 98ZJUSMC- please see my @235 @461 previous thread and acknowledge. These folks are gonna need you.

teej, why go lurker? Costs you nothing to come here and post a few comments. Something up?
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:50 AM (GQ8sn)


Yeah, don't go lurker, teej. Sometimes. you just gotta let it out of your system.

Like EC said: Don't cost nuthin'

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (SLg2R)

142 Catholics schools and churches in the US teach "social justice."

They are Socialist

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (J6kXj)

143 If the welfare state collapses, the nation will burn. Not sure if the government will burn, but the nation will.

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (opS9C)

144 @94 Tell that to the winner of the Nobel Prize for literature, the elected Hispanic republicans all over this country, the Cuban community, and every political prisoner in Cuba and their families, you asshole.

The more I actually interact with other self-styled conservatives on the internet, the more I feel Ghandi's quip that he would be a Christian if it weren't for Christians.

We always attack liberals for being closed minded and resorting to personal attacks rather than engaging in debate, but look at the way we treat each other when someone doesn't toe the line on abortion, immigration, or gay marriage.

That's the root of the problem right there.






Posted by: PC at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (GDX/y)

145 73 It doesn't cost tens of thousands. It costs around $3000 to $4000 in total and about 4-6 years of your life for the naturalization phase, depending on your circumstances.

It's entirely doable.


That 3 to $4k is the cost of a coyote to bring them across. What they save is the 4 to 6 years of the legal wrangling.
Which is why I have no compassion when a wetback gets caught. Sister-in-law's father & brother came here from Colombia the hard way. Stood in line & waited the time it took to become legal.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 09, 2012 10:00 AM (d0Dmj)

146 @ 135 , I gotta get a BM thats bloody Mary but the thought gives me a bowl movement.

Posted by: Clemenza at November 09, 2012 10:00 AM (afx6B)

147 I woke up in the middle of the night last night because of one terrible thought...



There is a new Silent Majority.



Old people who want govt bennies. They either didn't vote or voted
O, but quietly. Silently. With some shame. They might have even attended
RR rallies.


Yes. My father in law.

We were talking a month ago about the upcoming election and the topic came down to health care and SS. He said he knows it's unsustainable, but at least he will get his, fuck the young.

I don't at him the same way anymore, and I haven't told me wife about it. Not sure how she would take it.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:00 AM (GQ8sn)

148 I volunteered for several years to teach English as a second language through our church to immigrants, mostly Latino. Yes, these are great, hard working, nice people -- they worked all day long at jobs and then came to class to try and better themselves by learning English at night. They will never vote Republican. The cultural assumptions are just 180 degrees from ours. They expect government to be corrupt and mismanaged. They more or less believe as long as a government gives out enough goodies to help people survive, it doesn't matter if they do corrupt deals and only help government insiders. It's just this acceptance that government ought to help the really poor, and no real understanding of capitalism as a growth mechanism: riches are viewed as sort of stable, you get it, you take it, but you don't grow it. And the whole idea of government enforcing family values is just completely bananas to them.

This is a population that could be converted into supporting capitalism because they haven't internalized "all GOP/white people are bad" (at least the ones I knew) but it would be a really long, slow process. But we would have to focus on capturing at least part of the mainstream media/hollywood access to tell our story. Again, it's the culture, which takes cultural changes, before you can make political changes.

Side note: I think I did more to make many of them open to Republican/conservative principles just by being there. They were always shocked to learn I and a couple other volunteers were Republicans, they just assumed anyone concerned about helping poor people to better themselves had to be from the left.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 09, 2012 10:00 AM (DLUX7)

149 Practicing Catholics who believe in what the Church teaches are conservative. CINO's who were baptized Catholic but don't really follow any of the beliefs are liberal. It's like Orthodox Jews vs. secular Jews.

Also, you all need to realize there are a lot of Hispanics who are not mass-goers. The Church underwent a terrible persecution in Mexico back in the 1920's and after that a lot of Mexicans grew up without really being attached to the Catholic Church.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 09, 2012 10:00 AM (GoIUi)

150 Are You Ready For Another Bush?

FUCK. NO.

Posted by: rickl at November 09, 2012 10:00 AM (zoehZ)

151 " A good starting point is The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot and Burke's Reflections. You'll find that there is an actual philosophy underneath conservatism that has nothing to do with abortion or immigration."

Don't fucking come here and claim we don't understand Enlightenment thought. Burke lived before Marx.

Modern Conservatism began in the 1960s as a reaction to Marxist fiscal and social concepts, built upon classical liberalism. Don't try to tell us what we should believe.


"I have a couple of "straw men" I can introduce you to, btw, and they both lost their senate bids because they came off like assholes on the topic of abortion. "

And I know a few 'compassionate' types who lost their Senate races too. One was in MA. You'd love him.

The media defines us as blood thirsty monsters, and you apparently believe them. We aren't.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 10:01 AM (AxE3L)

152 Hispanics do not give a flying shit about social issues. The majority of them want government cheese.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (YdQQY)Thanks, Vic. It really is that simple.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 09, 2012 10:01 AM (/JLD+)

153 >>> You fucked up. You trusted us.
Posted by: Project ORCA at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM

lol

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 10:01 AM (SKX2R)

154 You fucked up. You trusted us.

Posted by: Project ORCA at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (tl7W6)

Now that's fucking funny.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:01 AM (GQ8sn)

155 Another reason why GOP lost

Curiously, Obama lost in every state that requires a photo ID to be produced before voting. A list of closely contested state elections with no voter ID, which narrowly went to Obama include: Minnesota (10), Iowa (6), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania (20).

This amounts to a total of 66 electoral votes. When added to Romney’s total of 205 electoral votes, that would give Romney 271 electoral votes, enough votes to win even without Ohio or Florida Romney also likely had the states of Florida and Ohio stolen from him, which don’t require photo IDs.

Posted by: Comrade J at November 09, 2012 10:01 AM (6kkPP)

156 "If you don't really believe that a naturally conservative group like
Hispanics, most of whom are fleeing over-fed states and are socially
traditionalist"

There's a city here in the Bay Area of the People's Soviet Socialist Republic of Commiefornia that I occasionally drive through.

Their social services center, where the government benefits are handed out, is on a main boulevard. There's a big sign for it. That sign does not say "SERVICES CENTER". It says "CENTRO DEL SERVICIOS". In just that one language. Which should be a major clue right there.

You should, if you're out here, go and observe near that sign for a while. Last time I did I watched a steady stream of Hispanic girls, not a one of them out of her teens, with baby strollers, crossing the street past the sign. On their way to the Centro for more servicios. Servicios, a.k.a. "free shit". Most of them visibly pregnant again already.

So teen pregnancy is "socially traditionalist"? Because there sure is a butt ton of it in the newly arrived Hispanic immigrant community. And teen pregnancy in the USA is an instant enrollment in the cradle to grave welfare state, and loyalty to the party that promises to keep the "servicios" flowing.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 10:01 AM (ymG7s)

157 Got any tits for us this morning? Sure could use 'em.


Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)




Since we were denied the Ettes and pudding on Tuesday night....



http://tinyurl.com/aqg64mp


NSFW

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (da5Wo)

158 For those you use that wore out POS argument about can't deport illegals I have two other old refrains


1. Don't need to deport them. Cut off the illegal jobs and the government cheese and they will leave on their own.


2. The same people who argue to confiscate 300 million guns say we can't deport 20 million (used to be 10) illegals.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (YdQQY)

159 #148 This is true. The guys who do work for me were shocked that I was a Republican, since their impression of Republicans was mainly that we hate Hispanics.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (GoIUi)

160 For you doomish pleasure: http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/


The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn
Burn motherfucker burn

Posted by: toby928© reposting since no one came to me like a man at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (evdj2)

161 Catholics are "natural conservatives?"

I do not have scientific, massive studies to substantiate my position. I only have stories from the Catholic family I married into. None of them are natural conservatives.

My mother in law is vehemently pro-life but votes Donk every single election because the union boss tells her too. My sister in law goes to Mass every week but believes that abortion is a gawd given right and republicans are trying to control her vagania. My wife is mushy on abortion, but mostly votes Democratic (that is changing....slowly) because the Democrats are for the poor and idiots like Akin pop up just enough to reinforce her views that conservatives are "backwards". Every sister-in-law is a donk because the GOP only cares about the rich.

The only conservative Catholic in my family is my 16 year old daughter who is pro-life and means it. She was really wanting Romney to win and was just as upset as I was over his loss. She does not get why other Catholics vote for Democrats. I explained to her it is called hypocracy. That, and the Church is not really serious about Pro-Life. Sure, the priest and Bishops will preach about, but at the end of the day, they are not going to piss off their pro-choice parishioners, because the Church needs the bodies.....and the money.

Again, no massive polling or studies....but I suspect I can not be the only person who knows of Catholics like this.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (OWjjx)

162 Catholics are "natural conservatives?"

Well, church-going Catholics anyway.


Posted by: Armando at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (5iuEW)

163 139
You really going to keep that up for another 4 years?

Do you see it changing between now and then?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (/eBe


Sigh...no.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (GQ8sn)

164 95
Speaking of the Jews, what the hell is wrong with American Jews? Don't they read the newspapers about what today's democratic party stands for?

I have a handful of Jewish friends...maybe just acquaintances now... and they were Team O to a person.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 09, 2012 09:49 AM (l3vZN)


Curiously, how many of your "Jewish" friends are religiously observant? Keep kosher, or visit Israel? You'll find out that those who are voted Romney, and the 10% increase is because old FDR Jews are dieing and Orthos are reaching voting age.

Posted by: Avi at November 09, 2012 10:03 AM (Gx3Fe)

165 This idea that the GOP can win national elections again by changing this or that, tweaking things a little here or there, is....quaint.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 10:03 AM (IoNBC)

166 157
Got any tits for us this morning? Sure could use 'em.




Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)



Since we were denied the Ettes and pudding on Tuesday night....



http://tinyurl.com/aqg64mp


NSFW


I'll have to bookmark that for later. Which website is it coming from? I may be able to sneak one past the work filter.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:04 AM (GQ8sn)

167 Hispanics do not give a flying shit about social issues. The majority of them want government cheese.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:52 AM (YdQQY)



That cheese we used to hand out at the E. St. Loius Armory is actually pretty fuckin' good. Better than the shit at Kroger. Absconded with a bit of it myself.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:04 AM (SLg2R)

168 Needed a good laugh so I turned on msnbc last night for a couple minutes. The brilliant pundits there were making Al Einstein look like a piker with the republicans have stale ideas from 1980 mantra. Yea that tax and spend and redistribute is so progressive and original. It hasn't been done before. Shhh...don't tell the sharpest tools in the shed there has to be some wealth in order to redistribute. Just read a liberturd page talking about everyone protesting on January 13 by doing nothing for 30 minutes. The millions on welfare will say welcome to the 'protest' we do this all year.

Posted by: Ivan Kulak at November 09, 2012 10:05 AM (Kflw4)

169
120 million or so voted. A new 20 million made citizens, 75% of which will vote dem = a permanent congressional minority for repubs and full socialism going forward. Another 20 million wave will follow them.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 09, 2012 10:05 AM (PHb2k)

170 >>>The Silent Majority are going to quietly suck the life out of the USA

But not for long. They'll be the first ones dropping dead under Obamacare.

Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 10:05 AM (/ZZCn)

171 Look at the map. The popular vote map. The blue circles are the kingdoms surrounding the thrones of the elites.

The blue spots on the map generally produce nothing of value and represent a social culture of death and a economic plan that relies on theft and counterfeiting.
The blues hate the reds and only want to control red lives and steal red possessions. Red geese laying golden eggs.

"When in the course of human events it becomes necessary ...

Are we there again? Why must this Union continue?



Posted by: T. Hunter at November 09, 2012 10:05 AM (EZl54)

172 My hypothesis, which is grossly simplistic but I don't think it's entirely wrong, is that the highest IQ trend Democrat and feel a conscious or subconscious desire to look after others' welfare, and the lowest IQ people trend Democrat and feel a conscious or subconscious desire to be looked after by others, and the medium IQ people trend Republican and feel a conscious or subconscious desire to look after themselves and their immediate families.

At least where their view of government is concerned.

This is a huge, tremendous oversimplification, and there are a lot of variances.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 10:06 AM (SKX2R)

173 I'll have to bookmark that for later. Which website is it coming from? I may be able to sneak one past the work filter.


Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:04 AM (GQ8sn)


Not sure on the site. But the quick peek I saw pretty much guaran-fucking-tees that it ain't making it past the filter.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:06 AM (da5Wo)

174 "The Democrats generally get the highest and lowest IQ demographics of all types, not just Jews.
Most American Jews are Ashekenazi, the highest IQ group on the planet."

Wait a minute. Are you suggesting here that there are inherent differences in IQ between ethnic groups?

Rayyyyyyyyyycist.


Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 10:07 AM (ymG7s)

175 And here we gooooooooo.....
Hispanic group that backed Obama demands amnesty for 11 million illegals:
Hispanic amnesty activists are expanding their goals beyond the so-called “DREAM Act” youth amnesty, towards a national amnesty for roughly 11 million Hispanic illegals.
President Barack Obama and Congress “need to come together to deliver change on immigration policy, and by that we mean … a roadmap to citizenship for our parents and communities,” said Cristina Jimenez, direct of an advocacy group, United We Dream.
Jimenez was born in Ecuador and arrived in this country as an illegal immigrant.
“Deporting members of our community is irresponsible and unacceptable,” added Lorella Praeli, the group’s policy director.
(h/t weaselzippers)

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 10:08 AM (WEWGu)

176 I'm insisting we are fucking stupid and anybody who says we went out of
our way not to talk about abortion is lying or delusional.


Meth is a helluva drug, dude. No one mentioned rape or abortion in Indiana until Joe Donnelly whipped it out at a debate. And don't kid yourself--if Mourdock had answered the question with "fuck off, it's a trap" the media would have whipped up the same malicious misrepresentation they did with the answer.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 10:08 AM (/kI1Q)

177 Again, no massive polling or studies....but I suspect I can not be the only person who knows of Catholics like this.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (OWjjx)

No, you're not. I was raised Catholic and my siblings, parents, and Dad's side of the family are all still Catholic. In my family, only my parents and two of my siblings and their spouses are conservative and very pro-life. One of my siblings is a conservative-leaning moderate (not sure on his abortion stance because he never talks about it), but one sibling and every last one of my dad's extended family are very liberal and very pro-abortion rights. My Dad's family is Irish Catholic and worships at the Kennedy alter.

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 10:08 AM (kzCIn)

178 My hypothesis, which is grossly simplistic but I don't think it's
entirely wrong, is that the highest IQ trend Democrat and feel a
conscious or subconscious desire to look after others' welfare, and the
lowest IQ people trend Democrat and feel a conscious or subconscious
desire to be looked after by others, and the medium IQ people trend
Republican and feel a conscious or subconscious desire to look after
themselves and their immediate families.



At least where their view of government is concerned.



This is a huge, tremendous oversimplification, and there are a lot of variances.


As much as I don't want to believe that, there are real world examples of it backing you up 100%.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:08 AM (GQ8sn)

179 I've been reading a lot how there's this large "Demographic" problem that the GOP has.

The real problem isn't race, creed, or gender, but the fact that Democrats/Liberals are largely insulated from Obama's policies.

Urban areas have large amounts of poverty, but govt benefits have only been improved. If I have food, shelter, and healthcare paid for, what the hell do I care if there's business closing?

How about universities? Do they have any risk of losing their job if the economy is in the tank? No way, keep pumping up those college loans. Fed workers, state workers, teachers, unions, do not have to worry about the health of the economy or just about anyone else, only themselves.

The Democrats largest success hasn't been capturing people based on race, but instead by taking their base voters and insulating them from harm. We can only start winning again if 1.) they start feeling the pain because of a poor economy and democrat policies OR
2.) They start having to fight each other for the remaing scraps of tax revenue that come in.

Posted by: RizzyG at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (FzyEN)

180 162 Catholics are "natural conservatives?"

Well, church-going Catholics anyway.

Posted by: Armando at November 09, 2012 10:02 AM (5iuEW)


Used to be true, but it varies by parish. Our NWShitcago burbs parish was rock solid conservative. My mother (almost a nun, long story) used to drive around downtown looking specifically for Latin masses. She gave up on some she found due to ......ummm,

....rather liberal sermons.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (SLg2R)

181 @156 by yours and others' logic that because Hispanics make use of social services offered to them and vote for left-wing governments in South America, then, there is no such thing as a naturally conservative Hispanic, then there are no natural conservatives in the US as well.

We are the safety valve for failed governments in South and Central America and Mexico. People come here in desperation. If you say "welcome, we will help you to become a productive member of society so you can contribute" they will do that. If you say "Dammit, why did you come here. Go work under the table and rely on social services to feed your family" they will do that too.

People aren't stupid. They know where they are welcome and where they are not. Right now, too many of them just don't feel welcome in the Republican party because the Democrats actually take the time to communicate with them and offer them help, even if it is the kind of help that leads to government dependency and all the social ills that go with it.

Posted by: PC at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (GDX/y)

182 Most American Jews are Ashekenazi, the highest IQ group on the planet.Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (SKX2R)And the ones three standard deviations above the norm voted Republican. Obama suppressed our stupid vote. Once again proving nobody does stupid better than the D.

Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (sOtz/)

183 Not sure on the site. But the quick peek I saw pretty much guaran-fucking-tees that it ain't making it past the filter.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:06 AM (da5Wo)

I mean, which site is hosting it. The part inbetween the www and the .com

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (GQ8sn)

184 and the 10% increase is because old FDR Jews are dieing and Orthos are reaching voting age.


FDR? The FDR who wouldn't let Jews trying to escape Hitler settle here?

Huh, weird.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (/kI1Q)

185 Miss Marple -- which is why at least some of us need to focus on figuring out how to influence popular culture. Imagine being shocked that a Republican would care about other people, but they always seemed to be. Never forget the one little Nicaraguan lady who kept saying "But you nice lady!" as if maybe I didn't really understand the GOP was evil and that's how I ended up in the party.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 09, 2012 10:10 AM (DLUX7)

186 I'll have to bookmark that for later. Which website is it coming from? I may be able to sneak one past the work filter.>>

GO to tinyurl site and turn on the preview feature. It will then show you the full url that was made tiny so you can decide weather you want to proceed or not.. And no that url is not making it through the filter.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 10:10 AM (tf9Ne)

187 America is finished. Give the D's everything they want and watch it burn. I don't fucking care anymore. What American once was, it will never be again . I'm buying guns and ammo until I max out my credit cards.

Posted by: Former Patriot at November 09, 2012 10:10 AM (vYB+W)

188 There is a new Silent Majority.





Old people who want govt bennies. They either didn't vote or voted

O, but quietly. Silently. With some shame. They might have even attended

RR rallies.




Two geezer relatives of my wife said they wouldn't vote for Romney because Paul Ryan was going to take away Social Security and Medicare (they're loaded but still want the govt. programs) I tried to explain that Ryan wanted to fix a broken system. NOPE! They watched 60 Minutes and Ryan wants to end the programs all together

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 10:10 AM (1Jaio)

189
156

But...but...I was told by a hip Liberal that they're naturally conservative. Who am I to believe, my own experiences working knee-deep with legal/illegal immigrants, my lying eyes when I view the San Fernando Valley or someone on the internets spouting talking points.

For evey Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio or Susana Martinez, California has dozens of state senatora and assemblymen spouting pure socialism.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (+4mBJ)

190 This idea that the GOP can win national elections again by changing this
or that, tweaking things a little here or there, is....quaint.


Just because you feel personally crushed by Tuesday night does not mean that it was a crushing loss to the GOP.

Look at the numbers, look at the percentages, look at a state or two that is still too close to call. Read the MM link someone posted above.

If you watch football that was the equivalent of losing in the final second to a team that had to make a 60 yard field goal.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (feFL6)

191
44

There are times when I really start to wonder if we all would have been better off just letting Al Gore win.........



Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 09:36 AM (OWjjx)



A friend of mine (big liberal) posted on Facebook that he
asked his dad if he ever thought where we would be if Gore had won and
his dad said "yeah, we wouldn't be fucked." I didn't reply (because I
hate facebook political posts), but I agree with him, if not for the
same reasons. Like it or not, Bush has hurt the Republican party more
than the Democrats ever could.


Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (kzCIn)

This. Exactly this. Bush plus the Republicans in Congress (most of them anyway).If the GOP really is looking for a way to keep me (and a lot of others like me, I'd wager) from bothering to vote in the next presidential election (and keep me from donating, too) or maybe even finally getting me to give up in the party and vote 3rd party, then they should go ahead and nominate another damn Bushie (nominating Christie would do it too). I wouldn't think they'd be that stupid, but then, this is the GOP so odds are they might just do it.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (qEkGZ)

192 Right now, too many of them just don't feel welcome in the Republican
party because the Democrats actually take the time to communicate with
them and offer them help, even if it is the kind of help that leads to
government dependency and all the social ills that go with it.


You just made our argument.


Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (GQ8sn)

193 Beck read in incredibly long list of companies (Rockmom listed several yesterday) that are laying off people by the hundreds in just the past two days. Many companies will limit their employees' work hours to 29/week.

Now Barry is off to Cambodia, etc. on another "working" trip. Poor ol' Air Force One.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (UOM48)

194 142
Catholics schools and churches in the US teach "social justice."



They are Socialist

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2012 09:59 AM (J6kXj)
Not all.
But personally, after the Catholic Bishops got rolled and played leading up to Christmas Eve vote on O-care, was so furious that these supposedly educated men fell for the lies from the Chicago Machine, had one more payment to make on "parish share" and didn't pay it and haven't paid it since.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (lGu1O)

195 The GOP establishment has been selling us out for 30 years, how the hell do you think we have gotten to the place we are now at.





Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (06lNq)

196 We didn't lose over who voted. We lost over who didn't. You know who and you know why. People have been saying it for days. A big chunk of the base stayed home because they didn't give a shit for Mitt Romney. Own it. Make a better plan for next time. One without a RINO in it.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (6H6FZ)

197 Meth is a helluva drug, dude. No one mentioned rape
or abortion in Indiana until Joe Donnelly whipped it out at a debate.
And don't kid yourself--if Mourdock had answered the question with "fuck
off, it's a trap" the media would have whipped up the same malicious
misrepresentation they did with the answer.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 10:08 AM (/kI1Q)

Look, keep telling yourself it's not our fault those two lost, but those words came out of their mouths.. the media didn't make them say it. They fell for the trap the media laid out for them and that was fucking stupid. Paul Ryan managed to dodge the question without providing any juicy sound bites. You're deluding yourself if you think dodging the question would have produced the same result as saying the words "legitimate rape."

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 10:12 AM (kzCIn)

198 I mean, which site is hosting it. The part inbetween the www and the .com


Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (GQ8sn)


I know what you meant. I didn't pay attention to the site and had already closed the tab. Hang on......

www.randomnudes.com
Good luck with that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (da5Wo)

199 I recall a conversation with a woman at work a few months ago. She wasn't voting for Romney because, "He's dishonest." I asked for details. "Well, he owned that bio-waste company that profited from abortion, but he's opposed to abortion."

This is why Obama won.

You can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (IoNBC)

200 LOL Asians and amnesty.


Guess who's stuck waiting in long lines to get citizenship through legal channels? (can't swim across the Ocean, after all ...)

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (xHaTb)

201 And no that url is not making it through the filter.

Aww shit...

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (GQ8sn)

202 I seem to recall Bush forewarning about Fannie and Freddie multiple times, and trying to privatize aspects of SS and Medicare. Also, he curbed embryonic stem cell ghoul-research, but that's not a financial item, just notable in my book.



I seem to recall that the Republican Congress basically stabbed him in the back on the above items, so while we may all be upset with Bush about the first bailout, It seems imprudent to forget the things he tried to do but was shot down on. >.>

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (X1PJ8)

203 I'm not a big fan of dueling ten second soundbites, but that is how politics is played these days. Clearly Akin and Mourdock lost races which they should have won by five to ten points if not more. That's not voodoo. Nobody made them say that."I am pro-life and this area of law has been mostly preempted by the USSC." Done, out.

Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 10:16 AM (sOtz/)

204 How does it make sense to legalize a group of people who voted overwhelmingly Democrat?

That way when they vote they're not doing it illegally. The republican establishment is all about rule by law.

Posted by: rockhead at November 09, 2012 10:16 AM (jtTKf)

205 " If you say "Dammit, why did you come here. Go work under the table and rely on social services to feed your family" they will do that too."

But that isn't what we say.

We say, "if you want to come into >our

They don't.

So how are we the assholes again?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 10:16 AM (5tpzF)

206 All this damn arguing over Hispanics is useless anyway. Look at who is calling for amnesty now:

1. The same Republican elites who keep giving us lackluster moderate candidates

2. The Democrats who want 20 million new voters to absolutely guarantee every election

They both are avoiding the 20M Ton elephant on the couch. WE.DID.NOT.LOSE.THIS.ELECTION because of Hispanics.


We lost it because 68% of the Republican Party sat on their ass and did not vote.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 10:16 AM (YdQQY)

207 My husband's 87 year old mother voted for Obama, I'm pretty sure. She's a life-long socialist Democrat, in spite of the fact her late husband kept her living in high style. They traveled the world together and I doubt she's ever had to operate a vacuum cleaner or dust. She sure as hell can't cook anything remotely edible.

She loves abortion rights and hates Israel.

My husband tried for two days to reason with her about what a second Barky term would do to this nation, not to mention Obamacare. He also reminded her that the military (and her grandson) would be hurt.

She just doesn't care. She listens to her "wiser" NYC daughter and the rest of the 'bots.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 10:16 AM (UOM48)

208 197 Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 10:12 AM (kzCIn)
ex-fuckin-actly! Those 2 dip shitstalking about rape. How did they not see the train wreck coming from answering those questions?

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (WEWGu)

209 The difference between Sean Hannity and a whore: whores are fun, and sometimes productive.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (g9neE)

210
I recall a conversation with a woman at work a few months ago. She
wasn't voting for Romney because, "He's dishonest." I asked for
details. "Well, he owned that bio-waste company that profited from
abortion, but he's opposed to abortion."



This is why Obama won.



You can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (IoNBC)


I was pumping gas a few months ago, and the (black) lady on the other side of the pump was shaking her head saying, "Why all the rich people raising gas prices?"Yeah....

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (GQ8sn)

211 179.....bingo! Pre-denouncing myself ...but..does anyone really think that somebody like the Cleveland cell phone lady really care about the minority unemployment rate? The fact is that somebody on welfare is pretty much living a middle-class lifestyle that they didn't earn. Work would , in fact, be going back to Biden-esque chains.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (yU1Dt)

212 184 and the 10% increase is because old FDR Jews are dieing and Orthos are reaching voting age.


FDR? The FDR who wouldn't let Jews trying to escape Hitler settle here?

Huh, weird.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (/kI1Q)


Yes, and many of us feel that those Jews who were silent about the Holocaust but jerked off to FDR have culpability.

Posted by: Avi at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (Gx3Fe)

213 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 10:11 AM (feFL6)

I wish you were right, but you aren't. The Progs will become institutionalized in the next four years. They will never relinquish power.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (IoNBC)

214 by yours and others' logic that because Hispanics make use of social
services offered to them and vote for left-wing governments in South
America, then, there is no such thing as a naturally conservative
Hispanic, then there are no natural conservatives in the US as well.


I'm going to say something that may not be terribly popular.

There is no such thing as a "natural conservative." All people are "naturally" liberal. Everyone. All of them. Conservatives become conservative by training and experience.

That's one thing we often overlook. Being a Democrat is easy. You can believe whatever you want about the world. You believe in hard work and getting ahead? Well, sure, look people like Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates. You believe in "from each according to his ability, to me according to how much I want?" fine, we've got a place for you. Just vote Democrat!

Being a Republican is hard. You have to believe that there are certain laws of Nature, and that they're true regardless of what anyone believes and regardless of what anyone thinks about the matter. Gravity will not be denied. Neither will math. Neither will Human Nature. You have to believe those things, and then set yourself up against them.

Not "against them" as in believing that they're wrong, but against them in that you attempt to overcome your own Human (selfish and lazy) Nature because the logic you were taught tells you that some self-sacrifice for the good of society will help you in the long run.

And that my be the single key difference. Republicans believe in self-sacrifice. We don't have a problem helping others in need, but we hate being the ones in need, often to the point of foregoing Government Hand-outs to which we are "entitled." Democrats believe in the sacrifice of others. That you should sacrifice for me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (/eBe8)

215 High IQ doesn't give you any damned sense. You help out by being an engineer/scientist, but that has no bearing on how good you are at deciding what are good and bad ideas in govt.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (xAtAj)

216 -Our country-

What the hell is going on with formatting?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 10:18 AM (5tpzF)

217 "Tell that to the winner of the Nobel Prize for literature, the elected Hispanic republicans all over this country, the Cuban community, and every political prisoner in Cuba and their families, you asshole."

I'm sorry, you must be mistaking me for someone who gives a fuck about the Nobel committee. You must also mistake me for giving a fuck about ONE FUCKING PERSON who happens to belong to a very small number of exceptions to the rule.
"The more I actually interact with other self-styled conservatives on the internet, the more I feel Ghandi's quip that he would be a Christian if it weren't for Christians."

Cry me a fucking river. The more I interact with apparent idiots on the internet, the more I mourn our species.
"We always attack liberals for being closed minded and resorting to personal attacks rather than engaging in debate, but look at the way we treat each other when someone doesn't toe the line on abortion, immigration, or gay marriage."

When they say something painfully stupid or comepletely unsupported by real evidence? Yeah, you deserve the shit you get. I've said stupid shit on this blog before too. You know what I did? I re-examined my position and adjusted accordingly. I didn't pull some bullshit appeal to emotion, spout off cute little anecdotesor whine about it.
You must be a lefty at heart.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 10:18 AM (uD2fR)

218 There are times when I really start to wonder if we all would have been better off just letting Al Gore win.........

I take it they get their politics from Family Guy.

Fuckin' pleeeze.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:19 AM (SLg2R)

219 Yes Vic we need more Akins because the whole thing would die out in three days and he would then win in a state Romney overwhelmingly carried because 55% of the electorate are conservative lifers with no exceptions

Posted by: Avi at November 09, 2012 10:19 AM (Gx3Fe)

220 They both are avoiding the 20M Ton elephant on the couch. WE.DID.NOT.LOSE.THIS.ELECTION because of Hispanics.


We lost it because 68% of the Republican Party sat on their ass and did not vote.


Vic, this is an issue for future elections. Our portion of the electorate looks like it's static. They have almost 20 million new voters for the next cycle. Just how long do you think it will take before the math becomes impossible?

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:19 AM (GQ8sn)

221 Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 10:16 AM (YdQQY)


Vic, I think you're just going to need to copy and paste that for a the next couple of years.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 10:19 AM (uD2fR)

222 "Look, keep telling yourself it's not our fault those two lost, but those
words came out of their mouths.. the media didn't make them say it.
They fell for the trap the media laid out for them and that was fucking
stupid."

In Akin's case, he was well ahead in the polls and had no reason even to be talking with the media. Just doing rallies and running commercials would have been fine. Would have coasted to a likely victory.

Instead he deliberately sought out media exposure and solicited questions on abortion, because he's the kind of guy who just HAS to explain to everyone why they're wrong and his pet theory is right. Except his pet theory was insane nonsense and hugely insulting to rape survivors.

BTW, remember how we got Akin. Democrats being coached to cross over and vote in GOP primaries. McCaskill picked him as her opponent.There are a lot of things that need done before 2014. Closing that gaping hole is one of them.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (ymG7s)

223 @214

Liberals invert Spock's maxim:

The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many or the few.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (06lNq)

224 Tick tock. Tick tock. The shit clock is ticking, America!

Posted by: President Jim Lahey at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (L7hol)

225 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 10:16 AM (UOM4


I posted a comment last night, detailing a personal family story, about how the LIV isn't what we thought. I'll copy and paste here....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (da5Wo)

226 Why don't you google Krauthammer and obamacare, or Krauthammer and energy or Krauthammer and Social Security - for starters, and read where he really stands. He is a solid conservative.
Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (WR5xI)


And why don't you google Krauthammer and gun control. He not a solid conservative.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (6BgmB)

227 215 High IQ doesn't give you any damned sense.

Witnessed and verified on Active Duty, almost every day.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:21 AM (SLg2R)

228 203
I'm not a big fan of dueling ten second soundbites, but that is how
politics is played these days.


Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 10:16 AM (sOtz/)

This. It sucks and it's unfair, but it's reality. Until Republicans can learn how to control their message they will continue to lose. Democrats have an advantage because the media is working for them. It's unfair but it's reality. Until the Republicans face that reality and form a unified strategy for dealing with it, we're going to keep seeing things like this happen.

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 10:21 AM (kzCIn)

229
214

I don't think that's an unpopular view. Well said.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 09, 2012 10:21 AM (+4mBJ)

230 "We lost it because 68% of the Republican Party sat on their ass and did not vote."

What? 68%? That number is ridiculous.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 10:21 AM (5tpzF)

231 65% of Americans support a legal pathway for illegals. The GOP has lost on this issue. We should offer legalization but no citizenship. The caveat is we reform immigration to make it a point base system like Australia and end family reunification. The Dems will never go for this. They will block it and we can use it as club against them.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:21 AM (TVbdM)

232 It's my understanding that it costs tens of thousands of dollars and several years to go through the legal channels. Are all of those people going to get their money back and instant citizenship? I'm quite serious about that.Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 09:41 AM (VtjlW)

I'm not sure about that cost number. My wife just got her green card and it cost us all and all about $1,500 and about 13 months. One caveat, she was technically "adjusting her status" since she was not an illegal immigrant. If you are already illegal and take a path to citizenship, it might cost more. Also, if you utilize the services of an immigration lawyer, which we did not, that'd certainlydrive up the cost too.

Presently, my wife is a permanent resident, in 4 years she is able to apply for naturalized citizenship. I'm not sure if there's cost involved in that, EC could probably answer that for us.

Posted by: Heralder at November 09, 2012 10:21 AM (+xmn4)

233 #185 MaureentheTemp Here is what I can tell you happened here. When the last go-around on illegal aliens happened during the Bush administration, the local talk radio guy was adamantly against it. Now his discussion had to do with the rule of law and such, but he allowed callers who would get on air and gripe about people speaking Spanish in the laundromat, or rant about Loewe's having signs in Spanih, or how there were too many Spanish businesses in Indianapolis.

I had to turn it off after a while. When they had the pro-amnesty demonstration downtown, some idiot made a point of firing up his diesel truck and blowing exhaust smoke into the crowd. Har-de-har.

We will never win these people if our whole discussion is nothing but calling them Third World scum. Many of them are decent people. In fact, I would gladly exchange the lot of them for the OWS crowd.

In my opinion, the GOP should set up affiliated outreach centers in Hispanic neighborhoods to give them help with language, understanding of civics, American customs, and such. We cannot win these people if we are going to do nothing but demonize them. And they WILL be made citizens. Probably before the midterm elections.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 09, 2012 10:22 AM (GoIUi)

234 Well, I am solidly back on the let it burn side.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:22 AM (OWjjx)

235 I recall a conversation with a woman at work a few months ago. She

wasn't voting for Romney because, "He's dishonest." I asked for

details. "Well, he owned that bio-waste company that profited from

abortion, but he's opposed to abortion."





This is why Obama won.





You can't fix stupid.



Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (IoNBC)





And he was going to take away her tampons. Don't forget that. What's amazing about people like that is they won't believe the facts in front of their face but will fall for every stupid rumor like that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 10:22 AM (1Jaio)

236 223 @214

Liberals invert Spock's maxim:

The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many or the few.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (06lNq)


Heh.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:22 AM (SLg2R)

237 Most of the republicans who did not vote were in California, nj and ny. Yeah they could've made a difference.

Posted by: Avi at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (Gx3Fe)

238 208
197 Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 10:12 AM (kzCIn)

ex-fuckin-actly! Those 2 dip shitstalking about rape. How did they
not see the train wreck coming from answering those questions?

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (WEWGu)

We heard a lot about low-information voters going into the election.
What we need to worry about are low-information politicians. The media will always try to make the Akins and Christine O'Donnells the faces of the party. We have one of these morons every fucking cycle.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (b1iOR)

239 Reposted from yesterday.


We've talked a lot about the "Honey Boo Boo" voters, the LIVs. But I've
just found out that description, what we think of as a LIV, is
inaccurate.



My wife's uncle is a very well educated man, highly intelligent by
all appearances and an analyst for the NSA. Which makes this scary and
disheartening. He informed my MIL (his sister) and my FIL that he voted
for TFG. They both went ballistic on him. My FIL at one point says, "For
fuck's sake! He borrowed and spent a trillion damn dollars on a
stimulus and those companies are all going belly up! He shouldn't be
financially supporting specific companies and he damn sure shouldn't be
doing it with our money when we're in massive debt!" Wife's Uncle was
flabbergasted. "Wait, he did what?!?"



That, ladies and gentlemen, is the face of the American electorate. The LIV.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (da5Wo)

240 #222 - exactly. What's interesting is that obvious commentary is being ignored by the GOP talkers, wholesale...

Posted by: Jess1 at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (LwGY+)

241 We lost it because 68% of the Republican Party sat on their ass and did not vote.

So what is your opinion, Vic?
1. Crushing defeat for the GOP -- almost surely the end of the GOP as we know it
2. A squeaker of a loss in an entirely winnable contest that we had until the end

Or your own words.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (feFL6)

242 227
215 High IQ doesn't give you any damned sense.



Witnessed and verified on Active Duty, almost every day.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:21 AM (SLg2R)

I'm in academia, and these damned liberals think because they have a high IQ and engineer should run for the presidency.

Here's a clue: Scientists would be terrible political leaders, in general. Sophistry doesn't work outside these walls.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (xAtAj)

243 Eight of the ten richest counties in the US voted for Obama.

So, how do we fuck them?

Initial suggestions:

1) Have a $200,000 limit on mortgage interest deductibility.

2) Surcharge the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) - which is generally a tax on people in blue states with high state income taxes.

3) Establish a wealth tax to hit the Kennedy's and Google millionaires - have the wealth tax apply to nonprofit institutions as well, like Harvard.

4) New taxes on software companies (search engines, Facebook), media companies.

Other thoughts? How do we protect deserving affluent people, while fucking the rich techie types who think that there are no consequences to supporting Obama?

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (Hu/Da)

244 179 The Democrats largest success hasn't been capturing people based on
race, but instead by taking their base voters and insulating them from
harm.

I'm going to do my part by removing the 37 warning stickers from all of the ladders at Home Depot's and Lowes.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (d0Dmj)

245 @ 169 Guy Mohawk

They will vote Dem because of the hostility from the GOP. If we go after and compete for their vote, we can get a higher percentage.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (TVbdM)

246 Well, at least my husband's despicable know-it-all Obamabot niece has job security.

She works for the Obama Youth: Americorps (or is it Americorpse?).

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (UOM48)

247 Presently, my wife is a permanent resident, in 4 years she is able to
apply for naturalized citizenship. I'm not sure if there's cost involved
in that, EC could probably answer that for us.


Yes. You have to file the paperwork for naturalization and pay the fee, which I remember to be quite large, but less than $1000.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (GQ8sn)

248
The more I actually interact with other self-styled conservatives on
the internet, the more I feel Ghandi's quip that he would be a
Christian if it weren't for Christians.




Gandhi was also a raging anti-semite who tacitly condoned Arabs murdering Jews, so, y'know, Mr. Big Peace's smartassery is actually pretty stupid. Who cares what he said?




Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (X1PJ8)

249 @ 243 Bread And Circuses

I agree, let's raise taxes on Millionaires. they vote Democratic anyway. We should also levy a celebrity tax.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (TVbdM)

250 We can have all the big ideas and theory discussion we want.

Won't matter. Because we play too nice. Obama practices Chicagoland politics. Until we start hitting back we are screwed.

Time to stop bringing a pillow to a gun fight.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:25 AM (OWjjx)

251 Oh, I didn't read ahead, I see EC has already answered on the immigration question.

Posted by: Heralder at November 09, 2012 10:25 AM (+xmn4)

252 This is why Obama won.

You can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 10:14 AM (IoNBC)


No argument there. Whenever someone asks me about Obama's base:

Simple. Hardcore Pawn.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:25 AM (SLg2R)

253 247
Presently, my wife is a permanent resident, in 4 years she is able to

apply for naturalized citizenship. I'm not sure if there's cost involved

in that, EC could probably answer that for us.

Yes. You
have to file the paperwork for naturalization and pay the fee, which I
remember to be quite large, but less than $1000.


Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (GQ8sn)

Yep. Wife did it this last year. I think it's $600. Actually went through quite fast.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 10:25 AM (xAtAj)

254 181 They know where they are welcome and where they are not


Hasn't seemed to work for Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:25 AM (d0Dmj)

255 Fuck you too whiney bitches

Posted by: Bush at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (F1lOF)

256 If we nominate a polished rich corporate person, we lose.

If we nominate a party apparatchik because it is his "turn", we lose.

If we nominate a preacher, we lose.


Romney was ALL three of the losers rolled into one.


We need a Reagan, not another Bush, Not another McCain, and not a Huckabee. When the money crowd, the party apparatus crowd, and the religious crowd start nitpicking on the next charismatic conservative that steps up, they need to be reminded that they are fucking losers, and will not be allowed to make us lose again.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (wYVte)

257 It's time for us to start de-legitimizing this victory for Obama. I'm telling everyone I know and on Twitter that it was the "War on Tampons" that won it. Silly, stupid scare tactics aimed at low-information voters. No mandate for Obamacare or anything else. Don't talk about racial divides. This was a campaign of false rumors and smears, period.

Posted by: rockmom at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (qe2/V)

258 Today comes word that Social Security offices nationwide are cutting back hours open to the public. Here is Pittsburgh, they will now close at 3pm.

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (opS9C)

259 Gandhi was also a raging anti-semite who tacitly
condoned Arabs murdering Jews, so, y'know, Mr. Big Peace's smartassery
is actually pretty stupid. Who cares what he said?






Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 10:24 AM (X1PJ


He was also a spectacular fucking failure if I recall my PoliSci readings from college correctly. He preached nonviolence, yet everywhere he went erupted in violence.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (da5Wo)

260 Time to stop bringing a pillow to a gun fight.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:25 AM (OWjjx)

Liberals say the same stupid thing. I kind of doubt that's the real reason. They get the MSM, sure. Maybe we should follow Breitbart's example and make more conservative media?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (xAtAj)

261 @ 237 Avi

You are talking to people who a week ago were convinced they were heading towards a landslide. I have found the Conservative blogosphere to live in a bubble and ignore reality.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (TVbdM)

262 The establishment GOP is on a suicide mission. Nothing we say will stop them now. Nothing. They have it in their heads, the steam is already building, a mere 3 days after we barely lost. Kiss the GOP goodbye. They're stupid enough to gift the country with 10-20 million new Dem voters. For all intents and purposes, it was all over for America on Tuesday, so what's the difference at this point?

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (lTVJy)

263 BTW, remember how we got Akin. Democrats being
coached to cross over and vote in GOP primaries. McCaskill picked him as
her opponent.There are a lot of things that need done before 2014.
Closing that gaping hole is one of them.



Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (ymG7s)

And Akin was not the Tea Party pick either...I believe it was the woman candidate (can't recall her name) who lost out because of the crossover voters and because she the other better candidate nuked each other in ads.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (qEkGZ)

264 An amnesty program would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

Probably true. Keeping the borders open, without amnesty, will also end the GOP.

I asked last night, how do we get border security without making a deal? That's not a rhetorical question. It's a practical one. Is the plan to wait for years and hope to win the White House and both chambers of Congress? I guess I'm OK with that, but as we wait we're bringing in millions of new Democrats.

The top priority is to control the border as soon as possible. Stop the invasion. What is the quickest way to do that?

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 10:27 AM (9KqcB)

265 How did New Hampshire turn into such a Liberal slum overnight?

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:27 AM (qh2M/)

266 "The establishment GOP is on a suicide mission."


This has been going down since George Bush so don't anyone act surprised.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (+I8Mq)

267 but we hate being the ones in need, often to the point of foregoing Government Hand-outs to which we are "entitled.">>

This made me think of the story of James Braddock. The guy that the movie Cinderella man was based on.

Here's a snipet from his bio at the Art of Manliness site.

<<Embrace personal responsibility. In time where
individuals and corporations readily accept, nay even demand bailouts
it’s hard to imagine a time where people felt deeply ashamed to accept
welfare. For those who lived during the Great Depression, getting on the
relief rolls was an absolute last resort, one that made them feel like
failures. This was how James J. Braddock felt.>>

http://tinyurl.com/ybxfg2f

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (tf9Ne)

268
Hector is making shit up again. But that's ok because 100% of people on this site think he's a dumbass.

Anyway the 'good' news in all of is it ends once the financial collapse comes. I suggest everybody go right up to the very edge on aggressive tax deductions when you file, take advantage of what you can from the govt (you paid for it), hasten the financial cliff.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (PHb2k)

269 *wait FOUR years

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (9KqcB)

270 He was also a spectacular fucking failure if
I recall my PoliSci readings from college correctly. He preached
nonviolence, yet everywhere he went erupted in violence.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (da5Wo)


Perhaps the true progenitor of that TFG.

So do we start calling Barky OFuckstick TFG2? o.0 SCOAMF the II?

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (X1PJ8)

271 @ 263 davidinvirginia

The Tea Party and Establishment GOP need to ally to crush the Theocrats. These loons have damaged the party enough

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (TVbdM)

272
"You are talking to people who a week ago were convinced they were heading towards a landslide. I have found the Conservative blogosphere to live in a bubble and ignore reality."

I guess we're gonna find out who is truly out of step with reality.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (5tpzF)

273 I asked last night, how do we get border security
without making a deal? That's not a rhetorical question. It's a
practical one. Is the plan to wait for years and hope to win the White
House and both chambers of Congress? I guess I'm OK with that, but as we
wait we're bringing in millions of new Democrats.



The top priority is to control the border as soon as possible. Stop the invasion. What is the quickest way to do that?

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 10:27 AM (9KqcB)
























This. If we leave the borders open, we're doomed anyways. Soon as their kids born here hit 18 they'll vote for Socialism.

Grand bargain where we seal the border FIRST and must VERIFY this, otherwise the whole deal is off.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (xAtAj)

274 As for illegals ... we need more immigrants who want to make money.

Lower the establishing a business exception to $250,000. That should bring in a flood of small businessmen fleeing governments all over the world.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (wYVte)

275 "Eight of the ten richest counties in the US voted for Obama.

So, how do we fuck them?

Initial suggestions:

1) Have a $200,000 limit on mortgage interest deductibility.

2) Surcharge the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) - which is generally a tax on people in blue states with high state income taxes.

3) Establish a wealth tax to hit the Kennedy's and Google millionaires - have the wealth tax apply to nonprofit institutions as well, like Harvard.

4) New taxes on software companies (search engines, Facebook), media companies.

Other thoughts? How do we protect deserving affluent people, while fucking the rich techie types who think that there are no consequences to supporting Obama?"

We need to come out with our own set of tax increases.

One more: If you are a nonprofit organization (Harvard, PBS, the Rockefeller Foundation), and you pay anyone more than $150,000 a year, you lose your tax-exempt status. Why should these organizations be allowed to avoid taxes, while paying out huge salaries?

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 10:28 AM (Hu/Da)

276
I'm in academia, and these damned liberals think because they have a high IQ and engineer should run for the presidency.

Here's a clue: Scientists would be terrible political leaders, in general. Sophistry doesn't work outside these walls.


Conceit of technical expertise. I have those delusions once in a while, too, but I know I'm horrible with "feeling" people. (Matters for the purpose of building consensus and getting people to follow along)

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 09, 2012 10:29 AM (xHaTb)

277 196
We didn't lose over who voted. We lost over who didn't. You know who and
you know why. People have been saying it for days. A big chunk of the
base stayed home because they didn't give a shit for Mitt Romney.


IOW, they preferred a muslim over a Mormon. You are right about one thing.
They OWN it.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:29 AM (d0Dmj)

278 @ 268 Guy Mohawk

I'm making shit up? I told everyone last week Obama was going to win. You guys were claiming Romney was going to win big. Who was right? It wasn't you kool aid drinkers on this site.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:29 AM (TVbdM)

279 I'm in academia, and these damned liberals think because they have a high IQ and engineer should run for the presidency.

Here's a clue: Scientists would be terrible political leaders, in general. Sophistry doesn't work outside these walls.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (xAtAj)


Heh....until you remind them that Hoover was an engineer (mining).

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:30 AM (SLg2R)

280 We lost because of turnout. That's a two part problem, and they each relate to the other:

1) Don't assume that likely voters will vote without prodding. Romney made that mistake and it cost him. Of course they might have turned themselves out if they were excited about Romney...

2) Run a candidate that people are genuinely excited about. Sure Romney was someone I really wanted to vote for (and not just against Obama) but that didn't happen until sometime in October. By then the run-of-the-mill Republican had already made up their mind that he was an evil millionbillionaire who hated kittens. They're not tuned into politics 24/7.

We need a candidate that excites the base early and is wiling to defend him against such attacks in the months leading up to the convention. It would help not to run a candidate so susceptible to such attacks, but there you go.

We don't have a demographics problem, we have a turnout problem. If the GOP had turned out even as much as they did in 2008 Romney wins NC more decisively, wins Virginia, wins Florida, wins Ohio, wins Colorado. Maybe wins Iowa and Nevada. Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are close.

And we're all having a much better week.

Romney wasn't worried he would lose because the demos are turning away from the GOP; he was expecting to win because he thought the turnout would be there for him. It wasn't.

Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 10:30 AM (TDbSH)

281 Impossible to implement voter ID in swing states . Dems always find a Federal Judge to nuke it

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:30 AM (qh2M/)

282 Here's a clue: Scientists would be terrible political leaders, in general. Sophistry doesn't work outside these walls.

In theory, scientists would make better pols. A good scientist is able to make a theory, make observations, re-check their theory to see if the data fits the hypothesis, adjust hypothesis, re-test, check and make changes, etc until it seems to reach a logical end. Ofcourse, their hypothesis (which may have changed quite a bit) must remain falsifiable (an observation that seems to break their theory).

In theory, scientists would make great pols because they would constantly revise their policies based on real world observations.


Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)

283 Beck is reporting that Allen West is 300 votes ahead. He's coming up on the show.

Also, the Communist News Network had the story on Iran's attack on our drone and sat on it until after the election.

The next time by CNN-employee b-i-l tries to tell me how "fair and balanced" they are I'm going to point and laugh hysterically.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 10:30 AM (UOM48)

284 Why don't you google Krauthammer and obamacare, or Krauthammer and energy or Krauthammer and Social Security - for starters, and read where he really stands. He is a solid conservative.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (WR5xI)


No, he's not. And he's usually 18 months to 3 years behind, getting most shit wrong at the start.

Krauthammer is worthless, save a few funny and biting comments he might make about an issue long after everyone else already knows what the story is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 10:30 AM (X3lox)

285 @ 275 Bread And Circuses

I agree, Tax rich Democrats!

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:30 AM (TVbdM)

286 They will vote Dem because of the hostility from the GOP. If we go after
and compete for their vote, we can get a higher percentage.

-------

What fucking hostility???!!! Obey the law? That hostility? Jesus.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 10:30 AM (lTVJy)

287 199
I recall a conversation with a woman at work a few months ago. She
wasn't voting for Romney because, "He's dishonest." I asked for
details. "Well, he owned that bio-waste company that profited from
abortion, but he's opposed to abortion."



This is why Obama won.



You can't fix stupid.

You can. A 230gr lead pill. But it's still illegal.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (d0Dmj)

288 Yes Vic we need more Akins because the whole thing
would die out in three days and he would then win in a state Romney
overwhelmingly carried because 55% of the electorate are conservative
lifers with no exceptions

Posted by: Avi at November 09, 2012 10:19 AM (Gx3Fe)

What fucking post are you referring too? I have never said anything positive about Akins. So learn how to read.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (YdQQY)

289 We should also levy a celebrity tax.

I will go you several better:

1. Eliminate all tax breaks for movie studios. The rich need to pay more and we can start with Speilberg. Also, a 25% surtax on movie production companies that film more than 10% of the movie in another country (they love to go to Canada and shoot). We have to protect American jobs.

2. Time to charge the networks for the air they broadcast over. Ralph Nader proposed this back in the 1970s. If you have more than 5 affilates, you pay every year for the right to broadcast over the public airwaves. The media is a big corporation. We can even use part of the money to fund Public Broadcasting and call it the "Public Broadcasting Funding and Fairness Act of 2013". Tell NBC they owe us another 100 million a year.

3. Time for the "Entertainers Care About the Children Tax". A surtax of 50% on all individuals whose main source of income derives from movies, music or the arts once that income exceeds 1 million. All taxes will be used to fund the Department of Education. Come on Beyonce - its for the children.


Come on, you guys have to have more.....right?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (OWjjx)

290
Some people say I just can not get over the Civil Rights Act, no I am just sick and tired of paying for it...

Posted by: Clemenza at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (afx6B)

291 The DJIA is up 0.03%

Happy Days are here again!

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (evdj2)

292
In theory, scientists would make great pols because they would
constantly revise their policies based on real world observations.


In theory, scientists are ideal. In practice ...

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (xHaTb)

293 "He was also a spectacular fucking failure if I recall my PoliSci
readings from college correctly. He preached nonviolence, yet everywhere
he went erupted in violence."

maybe he was just a democrat...

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (6J+oK)

294 We also need to start in on Obama personally, like the media Left did on Bush after 2004. Mock him mercilessly. Get Dennis Miller and Adam Carolla out there. Make this dumb fuck look like a dumb fuck the next four years. Ed Morrissey needs to keep up the "Obamateurisms" or else someone else needs to pick up on this. Put out books. Call him a SCOAMF in the open.


By 2016 we should be able to get a decent shopkeeper elected President.

Posted by: rockmom at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (qe2/V)

295 278. Hector said GOP would lose the House. What a fraud

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (qh2M/)

296 With PR likely to gain statehood the question has to be, What can brown do for you?
I say we embrace extremely high legal imagration quotas but tie it to e-verify. You can always throttle quotas back and the key is to get a effectivecontrol system on imigration in place.

Posted by: TheGarbone- Rubio 2016 or Bust at November 09, 2012 10:32 AM (hZyOq)

297 >> You can't fix stupid.

You can. A 230gr lead pill. But it's still illegal.

That's not fixing, that's breaking ...

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 09, 2012 10:32 AM (xHaTb)

298 Wife's Uncle was
flabbergasted. "Wait, he did what?!?"





That, ladies and gentlemen, is the face of the American electorate. The LIV.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (da5Wo)


Unbelievable.....

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 10:32 AM (X6akg)

299 @ 290 Clemenza

yeah repeal teh Civil Righst act! That's really a winning issue.

I can't wait for the GOP to kick out the bigots, nativists and theocrats to the curb.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:33 AM (TVbdM)

300 I asked last night, how do we get border security without making a deal? That's not a rhetorical question. It's a practical one

Here's my suggestion for an honest approach.

"We'll suspend deportations for otherwise non-criminal illegal immigrants for the next four years, if said illegal can show documentation that they were here before date X (and make it PRIOR to the law going into effect). In return, we expect full enforcement of current laws on the books- including deportation- regarding new illegals, as well as actual control of our border.

In four years, if we see that the tide of illegal immigration has largely been stemmed, then we will discuss some path to citizenship for illegals. Otherwise, we'll revoke their limited amnesty, and try again with enforcement first."

It's not perfect, but we're not going to get "enforcement first," no matter what we do. This way, we don't grant citizenship, or even legal status, to illegals, we simply don't send them home. After 4 years of that, if we really have control of the borders, then we can discuss more rationally what to do with those who came illegally.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 10:33 AM (/eBe8)

301
How many times did a Democrat say everything is due to Bush's policies and the Republican would let it go by and talk about something else? If you let them win their talking points every time they appear on TV you can't win elections. A majority of voters still blame Bush. Amazingreally. It could be a new religion. A hundred years from now people will say something "Bushed" whenit breaks.

Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 10:33 AM (sOtz/)

302 We need also need to take out Hillary now on Libya. Use the Dem playbook of destroying the other side early. She would be 70 in 2016. Bring up her age early too.

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:33 AM (qh2M/)

303 202
I seem to recall Bush forewarning about Fannie and Freddie multiple
times, and trying to privatize aspects of SS and Medicare. Also, he
curbed embryonic stem cell ghoul-research, but that's not a financial
item, just notable in my book.



I seem to recall that the
Republican Congress basically stabbed him in the back on the above
items, so while we may all be upset with Bush about the first bailout,
It seems imprudent to forget the things he tried to do but was shot down
on. >.>


IIRC, it was Bawny Fwank Senator Present that stopped Boosh on Fannie Freddie, aka "redlining".

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:34 AM (d0Dmj)

304 How did New Hampshire turn into such a Liberal slum overnight?


Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:27 AM (qh2M/)

Not overnight...long term inflows from Massachusetts of folks fleeing the idiocy of that state who immediately start voting in NH to create the same sort of mess there.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:34 AM (qEkGZ)

305 "Wait, he did what?!?"

Mission Accomplished.

Posted by: MFM at November 09, 2012 10:34 AM (XMaKL)

306 Wife's Uncle was

flabbergasted. "Wait, he did what?!?"

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the face of the American electorate. The LIV.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:23 AM (da5Wo)



And he works for the most darkest part of our 3-letter government agencies?

Oh jesus...we're fucked.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (GQ8sn)

307 Gandhi was also a raging anti-semite who tacitly condoned Arabs murdering Jews, so, y'know, Mr. Big Peace's smartassery is actually pretty stupid. Who cares what he said?

And the piss-drinking parties with little girls? Just a personal choice, man.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (IoNBC)

308 Apropos of nothing, I want commenter registration for this site.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (evdj2)

309 If the right doesn't find a way to reach out to Hispanics and Asians then we all need to get used to our political influence being limited to making snarky statements in internet comments sections. The new demographic reality is coming home to roost.

Posted by: Motorhead at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (fT6pk)

310 PR will only be a state, if the Dems agree to another state that would be GOP. Senate will never ratify it otherwise

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (qh2M/)

311 OT:

All: Just wanted to say that I just heard from Charlie Brown's Dildo. He just got power in New Jersey and hopes to be back on these pages soon.

Possibly the delayed metro NY moron meet-up might be in the works. Though our mood will be noticeably dour.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (XkWWK)

312 We need also need to take out Hillary now on Libya. Use the Dem playbook of destroying the other side early. She would be 70 in 2016. Bring up her age early too.

We will get right on that......right after we complete our 12 month discussion of why the GOP is too extreme and run daily clips of Akin and Murdouch.

Posted by: Your Betters In The Media at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (OWjjx)

313 If PR becomes a state, DC will want it to

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (qh2M/)

314 I voted for Obama because Millard Fillmore lied and he once pulled the wings off a fly. Makes just as much sense as anybody's reason that voted for Fuckbama..........

Posted by: Wall_E at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (48wze)

315 I think it worth pointing out, as someone did upthread earlier, that Akin was NOT the candidate of choice for Missouri. He was the product of an open primary and a series of hitjobs on the Tea Party candidate.




So to all those who are concerned about the intersection of the Tea Party and SoCons, or concerned about SoCons period, I would recommend stepping back to consider that maybe the GOP itself is a problem. I say "a" problem, because we clearly have more than one problem at work in this country. >_>

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (X1PJ8)

316 275 - I have got news for you. Most of the people who are subject to the AMT in the blue states are Republicans. The AMT should be eliminated, or at the very least, the low end of the AGI subject to AMT should be a hell of a lot higher than 75,000 (150,000 for married filing jointly). It is a relic of a tax which was meant to catch about 600 individuals and families back in the late 1960's who had figured out a way to shelter their income from the regular tax.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (2zM0P)

317 As for Amnesty. I say go for it, but nothing is effective until the border is secure. When the border is secure, then we say "sure we'll do amnesty" but not until E-verify is in place. When that's done, then we say "sure, let's do it" but we designate English as the official language first. Once that's done we say "Okay let's go for it" but then we start an outreach program (The Mark Levin Immigration Outreach Program) and bring in people from Eastern Europe, sick of socialism and ready to be independent. 1 European for every 1 Hispanic.

Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (TDbSH)

318 207
My husband's 87 year old mother voted for Obama, I'm pretty sure. She's a
life-long socialist Democrat, in spite of the fact her late husband
kept her living in high style. They traveled the world together and I
doubt she's ever had to operate a vacuum cleaner or dust. She sure as
hell can't cook anything remotely edible.

She loves abortion rights


Those that love abortion rights should be reminded that they are here because someone else didn't.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (d0Dmj)

319 In theory, scientists are ideal. In practice ...>>

Well to be fair they couldn't be any worse than Lawyers.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (tf9Ne)

320 Yeah, all those illegals who beat up our kids for wearing American flag shirts to school, throw urine at the USA soccer team on American soil, and carry signs with some of the most insane anti-American and racist slogans are just dying to become Republicans.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (AxE3L)

321 In response to the "Next Four Years" article, the blaming of the Republicans has begun. I am hoping that the electorate will notice that Obama is bad for the economy, but I knew there would be a mighty attempt to blame it on Republicans.

Posted by: Mindy at November 09, 2012 10:37 AM (6jLT3)

322 Grand bargain where we seal the border FIRST and must VERIFY this, otherwise the whole deal is off.

I guess it's math. How many new Democrat voters do we create with amnesty now, and how many do we create by waiting 4, 6, 8 or more years?

Of course, it doesn't matter if Dems renege on border control, which they will try to do. Then again, it doesn't matter if we wait 10 years to seal the border, as it will be too late. Fun times.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 10:37 AM (9KqcB)

323 Being a Republican is hard.


Yup. It's really damn easy to spend other people's money. It's hard to say that self-sacrifice and self-control are better. They are, but the rewards are long-term and may be inchoate. Buying the ipad now is more gratifying. It's really damn simple to think you are a good, nice person because you think everyone should be equal. It's hard to address the fact that people do not have equal talents and abilities and what do we as a society do with that fact.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 10:37 AM (VtjlW)

324 PR will only be a state, if the Dems agree to another state that would be GOP. Senate will never ratify it otherwise

I would give them Puerto Rico if they would create the states of West California and East California....because my understanding is outside the coast California has some very strong pockets of Republican support.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 10:37 AM (OWjjx)

325 Well, Ann Barnhardt doesn't think there's any hope:

Now do you understand why I had precious little to say about the "election"? The results of this election were determined in 2008, including the faux-opposition candidate. You people who have spent the last several months breathlessly agonizing over this, analyzing fake polls and deluding yourselves into believing that this was somehow a legitimate operation are just sad. You're like the people in Iraq who supported the opposition candidate to Saddam Hussein for all of those years. Yes, Saddam Hussein held "elections". Regularly. That is what happened here yesterday. We had a Saddam Hussein "election".
This can all be summed up in one simple sentence that I have been screaming from the rooftops ever since November of 2008:
These people are NEVER going to walk away.
The Republic was overthrown in a neo-Stalinist putsch four years ago. Stalinists don't walk away. Ever. Stalinists don't hold elections - they put on shows to delude the masses, which they consider to be vermin, into believing that they still have some say and some degree of freedom. And when even that gets tiresome for them, they start slaughtering people. By the tens of millions.
Note that all of the so-called pundits on the so-called "right" are avoiding the issue of massive voter fraud. They're all just spewing the same nonsense as ever:
The fight has just begun! This is when the real hard work begins! Yay! We'll show 'em in 2016! Yay!
Meanwhile, here in the land of reality, my inbox is filling with emails from people who are just now realizing that they are probably going to die an unnatural death, and probably within the next several years.
But it's cool, because Ace put up a recipe thread today. Spit on one's hands and hoist the black flag, indeed!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 10:37 AM (zF6Iw)

326 231 65% of Americans support a legal pathway for illegals. The GOP has lost on this issue. We should offer legalization but no citizenship.
-
That is unsustainable. It means a class of laborers without rights. The Democrats will paint Republicans as slave-owners, campaign for full rights of citizenship, and win.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 10:37 AM (23WI9)

327 And he works for the most darkest part of our 3-letter government agencies?Oh jesus...we're fucked.
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (GQ8sn)
Actually, we do have lights on but not everyone here is bright if YKWISAITYD

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 10:38 AM (WEWGu)

328 Conceit of technical expertise. I have those delusions once in a while, too, but I know I'm horrible with "feeling" people. (Matters for the purpose of building consensus and getting people to follow along)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 09, 2012 10:29 AM (xHaTb)


Oh, did I ever. When I was Tower Supervisor (Marine ATC), I thought my shit was aromatic and pleasing to all. Using correct phraseology, I would tell fighter jocks (especially Top Gun....I hate those arrogant pricks) to go fuck themselves. And they even called me "Sir" when they replied. Just have to be very good at your job and know how to say it. Condescending tone of voice, primarily.

I'm not a people person, either. Most just piss me off. I could never be a politician.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:38 AM (SLg2R)

329 @ 309 Motorhead

You are making too much sense for some people around here. Many here who would throw Hispanics in gas chambers if they could.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:38 AM (TVbdM)

330 "I have found the Conservative blogosphere to live in a bubble and ignore reality."

Hector: The biggest mistake I made was in believing that anyone in the bubble knew what they were talking about. They were dead wrong on all the important points.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 10:38 AM (6H6FZ)

331 181 Democrats actually take the time to communicate with
them and offer them help, even if it is the kind of help that leads to
government dependency and all the social ills that go with it.
Posted by: PC at November 09, 2012 10:09 AM (GDX/y) ********* Then is it really help, or a fix?

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 10:39 AM (opS9C)

332 rickb223: IOW, they preferred a muslim over a Mormon. You are right about one thing. They OWN it.


No ... Americans preferred a member of the congregation to a preacher.



Democrats, when they pose in church for photo ops, always sit with the congregation, and NEVER sit behind the pulpit.

Democrats never position themselves as the corporate boss or rich guy.

Democrats always try to find a candidate with charisma.

This is a clue, mister.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 10:39 AM (wYVte)

333 If PR becomes a state, DC will want it to

Its 10:40 a.m. in the east and I am surprised Boehner has not agreed to DC statehood yet.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 10:39 AM (OWjjx)

334 Come on, you guys have to have more.....right?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (OWjjx)
Hollywood gets a bunch of tax breaks already that could just be repealed...Instapundit harps on that all the time at his blog...I like this letter he posted from one of his readers...sort of, "Okay, you rich white folks like Obama so much? You pay for him then."http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/157400/

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:39 AM (qEkGZ)

335 @ 326 The Lightworker

The Democrats will never agree to this idea. They don't want legalization with caveats. It's total amnesty of nothing. We need to turn the tables on the Democrats.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:39 AM (TVbdM)

336 And Akin was not the Tea Party pick either...I
believe it was the woman candidate (can't recall her name) who lost out
because of the crossover voters and because she the other better
candidate nuked each other in ads.


Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (qEkGZ)

The Dems were able to use that strategy because MO does not have a run-off provision. He won the primary with a considerable amount below 50% vote.
SC has a run-off requirement. If you don't get 50% of the vote the two highest candidates must have a run-off.

All you MO Morons need to push for that before the next election. But the tea party pick came in 3rd if I am not mistaken.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 10:39 AM (YdQQY)

337 Love this article by Arnold Ahlert (click link). Let it burn?

Posted by: Cricket at November 09, 2012 10:40 AM (DrC22)

338 goddamn crappy formatting...here's the link for #334 above

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/157400/

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:40 AM (qEkGZ)

339 332 Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 10:39 AM (wYVte) ******** That makes no sense. Who is more charismatic than preacher?

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 10:40 AM (opS9C)

340 Many here who would throw Hispanics in gas chambers if they could.

Oh bullshit Hector. look, you have one position, and that is fine. Others disagree, that is their right. But knock that shit off right now cause it is crap.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 10:41 AM (OWjjx)

341 332. Rubbish. Gore and Kerry had no charisma

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:41 AM (qh2M/)

342 Well to be fair they couldn't be any worse than Lawyers.

Don't forget that eugenics was the Science! of its day. Take a scientist who thinks morals are just "evolved" things, and then give him political power ... ?

Always think worse case scenario.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 09, 2012 10:41 AM (xHaTb)

343 We need to tax assets not income. When you tax income you hurt business people, job creators, etc. Tax assets and you hit the NBA star, the movie celebrity, the reality show star famous for being famous. Those are the people who contribute next to nothing to society.

We've let Democrats own the issue of taxing for too long. It's time the "rich" pay their "fair share."

Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 10:41 AM (TDbSH)

344 Permanent underclass. The looters and moochers have won. Time to just take care of our families and wait for the coming oblivion. We can only pick up the pieces after it all fails.

Posted by: NJRob at November 09, 2012 10:41 AM (FVp26)

345 How does it make sense to legalize a group of people who voted overwhelmingly Democrat?

The Republican party is not only idiotic, it is suicidal. Nothing they do is for the benefit of themselves or America, it's all how it plays out on the Media.

The Media must be destroyed.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (P7hip)

346


Those that love abortion rights should be reminded that they are here because someone else didn't.


Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:36 AM (d0Dmj)


I imagine that it must be pretty awkward, being the child of a parent who has warm things to say about abortion. I am glad that your husband was born before Roe vs Wade. ._.



Old friend of mine from years ago has had two children in the past three years, still ardently supports abortion on demand. The intellectual (and emotional) disconnect frightens me.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (X1PJ8)

347 " I have got news for you. Most of the people who are subject to the AMT in the blue states are Republicans."

Definitely not true in California, Oregon, Illinois, New York, etc. - rich people subject to the AMT in those states generally vote for Obama.

Getting rid of the AMT is at the top of Pelosi's agenda - which should tell you how the politics of this work.

Alternatively, get rid of the deductibility of state income taxes - why should the Feds get less money, just because California stupidly raised their taxes. Why should people in low-tax states have to pay more in Federal taxes than people in high-tax states?

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (Hu/Da)

348 The Dems were able to use that strategy because MO
does not have a run-off provision. He won the primary with a
considerable amount below 50% vote.
SC has a run-off requirement. If you don't get 50% of the vote the two highest candidates must have a run-off.

All you MO Morons need to push for that before the next election. But the tea party pick came in 3rd if I am not mistaken.


Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 10:39 AM (YdQQY)
Another in a long list of "stupid GOP nominating rules". Like having open primaries in purple to blue states and caucuses to pick presidential nominees.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (qEkGZ)

349 187 America is finished. Give the D's everything they want and watch it burn. I don't fucking care anymore. What American once was, it will never be again . I'm buying guns and ammo until I max out my credit cards.

Posted by: Former Patriot at November 09, 2012 10:10 AM (vYB+W)
------------------------------------------------
234 Well, I am solidly back on the let it burn side.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:22 AM (OWjjx)


I joined that camp.
A poll on the attitude would be "instructive", I think.

The big difference between "Former Patriot" and me is that I have no intention of arming myself, protesting, and looking menacing.
If somebody shoots me and puts me out of my misery, I'll end up hanging out with a better class of people.

I am now aware that I cannot count on at least half of people who think like me to even bother showing up to secretly voice their opinion.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (Qxe/p)

350 I see Hector is acting like a petulant piece of shit with the intellectual capacity of a 15 year old again.

Posted by: Adam at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (/YJYi)

351 336 -

The Tea Party did not officially endorse anyone, but Palin did. Her name is Sarah Steelman. She would have won this race. I voted for John Brunner in the Primary, I thought he was a better candidate than Steelman, and if she had not been in the race I'm sure the Tea Party would have enthusiastically endorsed him.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (TOk1P)

352 But the tea party pick came in 3rd if I am not mistaken

There really was not a Tea Party pick. Bruhner finished second.....he was an outside business man. Sarah Steelman, who was endorsed by The Sarah!(TM) came in third.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 10:43 AM (OWjjx)

353 It's for the Children........NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) ¨C Con Edison has been harshly criticized for its post-Superstorm Sandy response, but the utility company says that won¡¯t keep it from continuing to seek a rate increase. Thousands of Con Ed customers are still cold and without power ¨C 11 days after Sandy hit. ¡°I¡¯m very sorry about what happened, very sorry,¡± CEO Kevin Burke said. But Burke said despite the long-winded and widespread outages due to the double-punch of Sandy and the nor¡¯easter, the company will still go ahead with a petition to the Public Service Commission to raise rates, CBS 2¡äs Kathryn Brown reported. The company announced plans for price hikes in September for gas, electric and steam service.

Posted by: Wall_E at November 09, 2012 10:43 AM (48wze)

354 "We need to tax assets not income. When you tax income you hurt business people, job creators, etc. Tax assets and you hit the NBA star, the movie celebrity, the reality show star famous for being famous. Those are the people who contribute next to nothing to society."

Agreed. Time to make the Kennedy family pay their fair share - but don't forget assets held by nonprofit corporations (Harvard, the Rockefeller Foundation).

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 10:44 AM (Hu/Da)

355 We need to tax assets not income. When you tax
income you hurt business people, job creators, etc. Tax assets and you
hit the NBA star, the movie celebrity, the reality show star famous for
being famous. Those are the people who contribute next to nothing to
society.

We've let Democrats own the issue of taxing for too long. It's time the "rich" pay their "fair share."


Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 10:41 AM (TDbSH)

Yes, that too...get in the pocketbooks of the Warren Buffets of the world.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:44 AM (qEkGZ)

356 We need to tax assets not income. When you tax income you hurt business
people, job creators, etc. Tax assets and you hit the NBA star, the
movie celebrity, the reality show star famous for being famous. Those
are the people who contribute next to nothing to society.


Dumb. Really dumb.

Just how many times do you think the gov should reach into your pocket on any given day? How many times should the gov tax you for the same money?

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:44 AM (GQ8sn)

357 @ 340 Mallamutt. RINO President for Life

It's true. This is not about illegal immigration. It's about hating Hispanics. Let's be real about this. Too many Republicans are ignorant and don't realize Hispanics come from a European culture. If the illegals were from Ireland or England, these people would be fighting for amnesty.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:44 AM (TVbdM)

358 Barack Nixon Obama

Watergate didn't have a body count.

50+ Congressman signed a letter to TFG and Hillary, asking for answers on Benghazi.

I am holding my breath, and am turning purple.

Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 10:44 AM (SLhOh)

359 Trolls like Hector must have woken up from his sugar high, and realized that Obama has no mandate and is a lame duck.

1. 30 GOP governors. Dems have 20

2. GOP House only lost 6 seats in a so called mandate

3. GOP has 26 out of 50 State Attorney General

4. GOP has a solid 45 member filibuster. Rino's like Lugar, Snowe, and Scott Brown are gone too

But hey Obama lost 10 million votes and won 50-48. A real Reagan mandate

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (qh2M/)

360 323 Being a Republican is hard.


Yup. It's really damn easy to spend other people's money. It's hard to say that self-sacrifice and self-control are better. They are, but the rewards are long-term and may be inchoate. Buying the ipad now is more gratifying. It's really damn simple to think you are a good, nice person because you think everyone should be equal. It's hard to address the fact that people do not have equal talents and abilities and what do we as a society do with that fact.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 10:37 AM (VtjlW)


Yer gonna eat yer peas and LIKE IT, MISTER!

Mahhhmmm, Dad's being a Republican again..

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (SLg2R)

361 To echo the Happy Fun Thoughts theme ace was reminding us of this week:

Off to see my family and adorable nieces. Don't forget to have fun, Moron/ettes, politics is only a subset of our lives.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (xHaTb)

362

It is like 9/12/01. Elections/USA will never be the same.

Republicans will be fine with it, Conservatives not so much.

Posted by: nip at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (11Tdq)

363 If you don't really believe that a naturally conservative group like Hispanics, most of whom are fleeing over-fed states and are socially traditionalist and want to be successful, cannot be spoken to and persuaded, then fold up the tent and go home.

And if you really believe that piece of shit you just spouted, come visit New England some time. Spend a month or two in Lawrence, New Bedford, Salem, HolyokeorFall River. Then come back and tell me about those "want to be successful" Hispanics.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (zF6Iw)

364 Alternatively, get rid of the deductibility of state income taxes - why should the Feds get less money, just because California stupidly raised their taxes. Why should people in low-tax states have to pay more in Federal taxes than people in high-tax states?

And for some even better news for all of you morons in no state income tax states like Texas......the deductability of state and local sales tax expired this year too.

So why California idiots can deduct all the extra income tax they pay.....you get screwed.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (OWjjx)

365 Another in a long list of "stupid GOP nominating
rules". Like having open primaries in purple to blue states and caucuses
to pick presidential nominees.


Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (qEkGZ)

Actually the GOP has no control over that. We are an open primary State thanks to the evil old days when the Democrats ran the State.

The SC Republican Party has sued at least 3 times that I am aware of and the courts rule in favor of open primaries every damn time. Their rational is that if the State contributes anything at all, including the use of polling places, they can say what the rules are.

The RNC is screwed up on a lot of things but that one is not one of them.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (YdQQY)

366 Slightly OT. The Dallas Maverick cheerleaders got themselves a new outfit.

Hey now!

Posted by: I Lurk Hard For My Money at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (uAcgi)

367 297
>> You can't fix stupid.

You can. A 230gr lead pill. But it's still illegal.
That's not fixing, that's breaking ...

THAT'S fixing. After application, they are no longer stupid.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:46 AM (d0Dmj)

368 Many here who would throw Hispanics in gas chambers if they could.

You are a profoundly silly person, Random.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at November 09, 2012 10:46 AM (evdj2)

369 Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:38 AM (TVbdM)



As a half-n-half white/hispanic, Hector, I would like to say that you are a sensationalistic nihilist, and that you may go screw yourself with a pineapple.



Waste of a good pineapple, but I think you've earned it.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 10:46 AM (X1PJ8)

370 The Tea Party did not officially endorse anyone, but
Palin did. Her name is Sarah Steelman. She would have won this race. I
voted for John Brunner in the Primary, I thought he was a better
candidate than Steelman, and if she had not been in the race I'm sure
the Tea Party would have enthusiastically endorsed him.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 10:42 AM (TOk1P)
Thanks Burt...couldn't remember her name. I'm guessing either would have been a much stronger candidate than Akin? Would almost have to have been.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:46 AM (qEkGZ)

371 Ahhhh see?

A good morning of moron banter and I have forgotten about the election already......

.

.

.

...we're fucked.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:47 AM (SLg2R)

372 Lots of pointless ranting today. Focus. Don't listen to the All Is Lost crowd. We got outplayed by smarter people because we listened to idiots and ran a dud. Wise up, learn the skills, and get back in there with the right man and a better plan.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 10:47 AM (6H6FZ)

373 Hillary is more hated than Obama. She lost to Obama in the 2008 Primary, because hates her. She had her chance

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:47 AM (qh2M/)

374 We are serfs in the Federal Empire.

The more we earn, the more we work, the more the Empire gets, and it gets it automatically, before we do.

That right there is tyrannical.

Then, our money also goes to to others who do not earn it. Those folks then vote for more of the same.

Our retirement is collectivized, too.

It is all one big spiderweb of government force and we are trapped in it.

The only cure is financial collapse and a period of chaos and re-ordering.

Nothing can stop that now, but we can ready ourselves for it and set things in place to make the final outcome be to our liking.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 10:48 AM (sRus3)

375 That makes no sense. Who is more charismatic than preacher?


Posted by: Baldy

Bullcrap. People fall asleep in church all the time.

Being a preacher does not make you charismatic. Being charismatic makes you charismatic.

Americans will not vote to put a preacher in office. They will not put a corporate bigshot in office. They will not put an apparatchik in office.

Huckabee, McCain, or Romney types can't get the 53% that work for a living turgid enough to get to the polls.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 10:48 AM (wYVte)

376 Don't forget that eugenics was the Science! of its day.>>

Made up AGW type science that was pushed forward by the elites of the day like Margaret Sanger and George Bernard Shaw. So there were no real "scientists" involved.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 10:48 AM (tf9Ne)

377 Interesting. I wonder if any voter (outside of here) could answer this question... Three states on a county by county map went completely blue, while three states on the same county by county map, went completely red.

Name them.

I did not count Alaska, which does not appear to have counties and went red.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 10:48 AM (feFL6)

378
The GOP latched on to the idea that Hispanics should be a natural constituency for them because they are Catholic and "hard working",they are not and they never will be.Latin Americans are leftest dyed in the wool,the communist and socialist groups of the 1970's and 80's in Central and South America found its home in the Catholic Church which is were the social justice movement took root.When a Latin American hears the GOP is right wing they think brutal military juntas snatching people of the street never to be seen again.We say leftest like its a dirty word they hear leftest and its home

Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 10:48 AM (qEts0)

379 Don't forget that eugenics was the Science! of its day.

May i feel the bumps on your head?

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at November 09, 2012 10:49 AM (evdj2)

380 don't get some of you people? One bad election and you are ready to throw in the towel?

24 months until the fight. In the mean time we need to train up and study our opponents.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 09, 2012 10:49 AM (5TFvk)

381 Name them.

OK was one of the total red states.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:49 AM (GQ8sn)

382 Bruner would have won. Akin took down the whole Mo ticket. At least Ann Wagner picked up the Carnahan seat

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 10:49 AM (qh2M/)

383 To those commenting about my wife's uncle....I KNOW. Her family is going nuts that he voted for TFG. Nuts.



And he works for the most darkest part of our 3-letter government agencies?

Oh jesus...we're fucked.


Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:35 AM (GQ8sn)


He and his wife both. They're, from what I understand, fairly high level analysts. When 9/11/01 happened, they were both immediately called and told to get their asses into work now.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:49 AM (da5Wo)

384 It's not perfect, but we're not going to get "enforcement first," no matter what we do. This way, we don't grant citizenship, or even legal status, to illegals, we simply don't send them home. After 4 years of that, if we really have control of the borders, then we can discuss more rationally what to do with those who came illegally.

Not a badalternative.

In any scenario, there needs to eventually be real, actual border control. The survival of the GOP, and the U.S., depends on the Right being able make opposition to border control a political negative. Right now, it's in the Democrats' best political iinterest to maintain open borders. For them, it's all upside, no downside. Has been for years because we let it be. If we can't put the Dems on the defensive on open borders, it's over. We don't deserve this great nation because we couldn't even muster the support to defend our borders. A nation without borders is not a nation. Period.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 10:49 AM (9KqcB)

385 You are making too much sense for some people around here. Many here who would throw Hispanics in gas chambers if they could.


Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:38 AM (TVbdM)



No Hector, we just want to take your tampons away

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 10:50 AM (1Jaio)

386 Actually the GOP has no control over that. We are an
open primary State thanks to the evil old days when the Democrats ran
the State.

The SC Republican Party has sued at least 3 times
that I am aware of and the courts rule in favor of open primaries every
damn time. Their rational is that if the State contributes anything at
all, including the use of polling places, they can say what the rules
are.

The RNC is screwed up on a lot of things but that one is not one of them.


Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 10:45 AM (YdQQY)

They can control which states have early caucuses and primaries and can stop having them in states with a lot of liberals to cross over and cause trouble.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:50 AM (qEkGZ)

387 He and his wife both. They're, from what I understand, fairly high level
analysts. When 9/11/01 happened, they were both immediately called and
told to get their asses into work now.


I'm not so sure I would trust their "analysis" of anything after that reveal.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:50 AM (GQ8sn)

388 Hector

You damn well know what reprehensible comparision you are making when you say people here want to march Hispanics into gas chambers. After all the Bush = Hitler crap, I will not sit by and let anyone imply we are a bunch of Nazis. You know it....now knock it off.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 10:51 AM (OWjjx)

389 Enough with this madness about how the GOP will benefit from amnesty, look at California the GOP used to own California

Presidential Voting History for California

1968 - GOP
1972 - GOP
1976 - GOP
1980 - GOP
1984 - GOP
1986 - Simpson/Boles Amnesty Act Passes
1988 - GOP
1992 - DEM
1996 - DEM
2000 - DEM
2004 - DEM
2008 - DEM
2012 - DEM

California is now entirely Democrat and will never be a GOP state because of massive unchecked illegal immigration from the shit hole that is Mexico

This is the fate that awaits the country if we are stupid enough to commit suicide but seeing as we have fucking idiots in leadership positions and within the ranks of the moron horde this seems the likely outcome.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (06lNq)

390
Hispanics in Florida have voted Republican and this time they voted overwhelmingly Obama. Even the Cubans broke for a D for the first time.
That's not all about Liberation Theology.

Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (sOtz/)

391 As a young conservative who unabashedly holds Romney and the GOP responsible for Tuesday, I'll say this.

If the commenters here represent the conservative base going forward, we are well and truly fucked. I can only wait for the old guard to die off now. Thanks for dooming the country with your cluelessness.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (DRG6e)

392 One bad election and you are ready to throw in the towel?

It's a bad election showing an ugly trend. In 1980 41% voted for four more years of malaise. This year 51% voted for four more years of this crap. The SCOAMT even got 41% of the vote here in Texas. I'm probably going to retire early next year, and I'm not sticking around to be eaten by the zombies.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (SDkq3)

393 I'll guess Rhode Island went totally blue.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (XMaKL)

394 Christ. Some of my Liberal family members on Facebook have become truly unhinged hatemongers. I'm a passive person who rarely expresses my politics to family, and did nothing to provoke such hate. The vulgar name-calling from close family I used to respect and love. I totally understand the Civil War now, and how brother fought against brother.

Time for another infinite sabbatical from Facebook. Also not attending Thanksgiving or Christmas.

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (cv5Iw)

395 At least Ann Wagner picked up the Carnahan seat

Yea, sorry to ruin your buzz, JackJ, but Carnahan got redistricted into Lacy Clay's district. So, you had a donk on donk primary, Carnahan lost and Lacy Clay is still around.

Wagner won Akin's seat.

Missouri lost a congressional delegation because of the census,.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (OWjjx)

396 All this talk of mexicans is making me hungry. I think I'll go for a taco and burrito special for lunch. Carry on.

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 10:53 AM (WEWGu)

397 This is the fate that awaits the country if we are stupid enough to
commit suicide but seeing as we have fucking idiots in leadership
positions and within the ranks of the moron horde this seems the likely
outcome.


"Let It Burn party? Your table is ready."

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:53 AM (GQ8sn)

398 @380

Yes please . We like when you fight.

"Air of legitimacy", etc. etc.

Keeps the proles engaged.

Posted by: Your neoStalinist Betters - Elected For LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:53 AM (EZl54)

399 Allen West Republic
BOOTS ON THE GROUND UPDATE VIA - Gary Angelo Galiano "ALLEN WEST RECOUNT UPDATE: Okay troops this is it this is what we've been waiting for this is what we've been fighting for. Today we will show the rest of America that we're not going to take this crap any longer. Today Allen West will prevail and come out victorious!!! There are so many cases of voter fraud , Ballot manipulation, and election laws broken that are all confirmed, there's no way any judge in America would not side with Allen West and ask for a full recount of every vote that was taken in his district. Election manipulation ends today!"

Dumocrats FUCKED with the wrong Guy

Posted by: Evilpens at November 09, 2012 10:53 AM (ck76k)

400 357
@ 340 Mallamutt. RINO President for Life

It's true. This is not
about illegal immigration. It's about hating Hispanics. Let's be real
about this. Too many Republicans are ignorant and don't realize
Hispanics come from a European culture. If the illegals were from
Ireland or England, these people would be fighting for amnesty.


What part of "illegal" are you having trouble with?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 10:54 AM (d0Dmj)

401 Thanks for dooming the country with your cluelessness.

You're welcome, shitweasal.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at November 09, 2012 10:54 AM (evdj2)

402 370 -

Until Akin started talking about rapin, all three are assumed to have had an easy path to victory over McCaskill.

I haven't looked at Missouri's overall stats yet, but I'm going to assume total votes were down this year. McCaskill was, and still is despised here.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 10:54 AM (TOk1P)

403 Maybe we would have better luck reforming Mexico itself to the point that people will want to stay there?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (UypUQ)

404 It's true. This is not about illegal immigration. It's about hating
Hispanics. Let's be real about this. Too many Republicans are ignorant
and don't realize Hispanics come from a European culture. If the
illegals were from Ireland or England, these people would be fighting
for amnesty.


STFU, Hector.

Posted by: Achilles at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (5iuEW)

405 Let the Dems destroy themselves while they F up the country. Four years of O domestic and abroad will be sooo bad even the Hurricane Sandra crowd will be aware of their stupidity and vote in a meaningful way. Next time. In two years R's will own the senate and house. In four they will own all three. But can we please find a fighter next time to lead the party? Somebody who is good at this? Is there anybody out there? Who?

Posted by: Davidlind at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (J9mCu)

406 One way that might fix the tax system is to peg what they can take to 18% of GDP. Then make them fight over how to split spending of that amount and no more.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (tf9Ne)

407 weasal? weasel?

Weasel.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (evdj2)

408 He and his wife both. They're, from what I
understand, fairly high level analysts. When 9/11/01 happened, they were
both immediately called and told to get their asses into work now.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 10:49 AM (da5Wo)


I take it they work behind a desk and not in the field, like say, Benghazi?

Posted by: Adam at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (/YJYi)

409 there's no way any judge in America would not side with Allen West and ask for a full recount of every vote that was taken in his district

Umm. you wanna bet?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (7vSU0)

410 Immigrants enter the USA lawfully.

Migrants, not so much.

Perhaps every GOP and Conservative writer and yakker should make sure they use the right terms.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (sRus3)

411 "Just how many times do you think the gov should reach into your pocket on any given day? How many times should the gov tax you for the same money?"

Most super-rich people support Democrats, not Republicans.

There are certain sectors of rich people who overwhelmingly support Democrats - the media, entertainers, academia, the tech sector, non-profits.

Higher taxes are coming - how do we fuck over our political opponents when taxes go up?

We need to be coming up with a set of tax proposals that generally spare rich Texans, while putting the screws to San Francisco and Marin County.

Besides, it will be fun to see them explain that higher taxes on them is inappropriate.

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (Hu/Da)

412
Rasmussen - 68% of likely voters believe Global Baloney is a problem. 30% say not.

-Stuart Varney, FBN



Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 09, 2012 10:56 AM (lDWQr)

413 All this talk of mexicans is making me hungry. I think I'll go for a taco and burrito special for lunch.

Get something broiled under a gas flame and prove Hector right.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 10:56 AM (feFL6)

414
#394 Pyrocles
Exact same thing happened to me, with liberal family members on Facebook. Close family.
The combination of name calling and attitude is enough for me to not associate with them any longer. That bad.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 09, 2012 10:56 AM (W+Itt)

415 345 The Media must be destroyed.
-
Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 10:56 AM (23WI9)

416 The election was really not such a bad thing when it will lead to R victory and dismemberment of the D's in a permanent way. Romney would have been Bush I all over again. We have won. It's just difficult to see at the moment.

Posted by: Davidlind at November 09, 2012 10:57 AM (J9mCu)

417 Posted by: Serious Cat at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (UypUQ)
___
That's Calderon's job and the other European-descended elites who run the place. Mexicans flee their country due in large part to...wait for it...RACISM against them from their own criollo leaders.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 10:58 AM (jm/9g)

418 We got outplayed by smarter people because we listened to idiots and ran a dud. Wise up, learn the skills, and get back in there with the right man and a better plan.
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 10:47 AM (6H6FZ)


I don't accept that. We got outplayed by immoral cheats who stop a nothing to win. All very admirable 'til you cross the legal line and they do.

Yes, they do.

..and really, How much smarts are required when you have 98.467593% of the nations media dragging you across the line, giving you a blow job and the courtesy of a reach around, all at the same time?

All Barqui McBomberJacket had to do is lay there. They even lit up his smokes and changed the Barry White album for him.

Sorry, CD.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 10:58 AM (SLg2R)

419 Romney was 1,182,514 strategic votes away from 340 EV

Posted by: butternut at November 09, 2012 10:58 AM (nbYoV)

420 357
@ 340 Mallamutt. RINO President for Life
It's true. This is not
about illegal immigration. It's about hating Hispanics. Let's be real
about this. Too many Republicans are ignorant and don't realize
Hispanics come from a European culture. If the illegals were from
Ireland or England, these people would be fighting for amnesty.


I call BS on that! I just worked like crazy to procure a work visa for an associate...who is a European citizen. If we/he had to jump through hoops and play the game, EVERYONE should. Either the Rule of Law applies equally for all, or we have NOTHING.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 09, 2012 10:58 AM (53riN)

421 <If you don't really believe that a naturally conservative group like Hispanics, most of whom are fleeing over-fed states and are socially traditionalist and want to be successful, cannot be spoken to and persuaded, then fold up the tent and go home.>

"And if you really believe that piece of shit you just spouted, come visit New England some time. Spend a month or two in Lawrence, New Bedford, Salem, HolyokeorFall River. Then come back and tell me about those "want to be successful" Hispanics."

We don't need to win the majority of Hispanic votes. Just more than 30%. The real gain in appealing to them is in white suburban moderates.

Possible Line: "The real bigots are those who insist that Hispanic Americans don't deserve the same political choices as everyone else, that they only care about immigration and not the explosive growth in the wealth and power of government, that they don't care about fiscal responsibility and job creation. Hispanics deserve the same political choices as every other American."

If the GOP speaks assertively, and not defensively, on this they can make enough gains to matter, without disgusting pandering.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 10:58 AM (9KqcB)

422 Then the flaming chimichangas it is. The burrito el special is too much for me anyway.

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 10:58 AM (WEWGu)

423 All I did was let slip that I voted for Romney. I am now hated, and viewed as subhuman.

414

#394 Pyrocles
Exact same thing happened to me, with liberal family members on Facebook. Close family.
The combination of name calling and attitude is enough for me to not associate with them any longer. That bad.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 09, 2012 10:56 AM (W+Itt)

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 09, 2012 10:59 AM (cv5Iw)

424 Has the 99.9- 100% Obama vote in Philly and Cleveland been verified?

I mean WTF...are the dems taking cues from Chavez and Putin?

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 10:59 AM (JWLqy)

425 Legislation needed to fix our problems can't be passed until the problem gets bad enough to drive people to do it.

The problem is by then it will be too late.

We are better off planning for the collapse and recovery. We need to know how to direct them as best we can.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 10:59 AM (sRus3)

426 The election was really not such a bad thing when it will lead to R victory and dismemberment of the D's in a permanent way. Romney would have been Bush I all over again. We have won. It's just difficult to see at the moment.

Bullshit. That's what we said the FIRST time Obama won, and it should have been true. But it's not, this country and it's citizens have fundamentally changed that much.

Posted by: yinzer at November 09, 2012 10:59 AM (/Mla1)

427 395 -

Yep. Seems like a long time ago, but it was great seeing Carnahan get slimed by the "urban" Democrat machine.

Wagner is a good egg. Having her in that seat rather than rapin Akin is a big win. She's a future party leader.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 10:59 AM (TOk1P)

428 My wife is friends with a woman who is unemployed. Her husband is unemployed as well. Both of them are so by choice since they decided to move cross country for a "new start". Did they think hey maybe at least one of us should get a job first? Nope. The economy's booming remember, MSNBC says so every night.

So here they are 2 kids, no jobs going on 3-4 months now. Both their parents have money so I'm sure they won't be starving any time soon. But now they are both starting to grumble about how hard it is to find a job. I And whose fault is it? You guessed it.....George Bush.

They can't find a job in late 2012 because of what Bush did in 2008. And of course both of them are Kool Aid guzzling Obama supporters.

Every week that goes by that they can't get work, I smile a private smile knowing that they will be fucked over by Obama for years to come. These people have to seriously feel the pain of what Obama/socialism means. It's the only way they will learn.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (HDgX3)

429 411
"Just how many times do you think the gov should reach into your pocket
on any given day? How many times should the gov tax you for the same
money?"



Most super-rich people support Democrats, not Republicans.



There are certain sectors of rich people who overwhelmingly support
Democrats - the media, entertainers, academia, the tech sector,
non-profits.



Higher taxes are coming - how do we fuck over our political opponents when taxes go up?



We need to be coming up with a set of tax proposals that generally
spare rich Texans, while putting the screws to San Francisco and Marin
County.



Besides, it will be fun to see them explain that higher taxes on them is inappropriate.

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 10:55 AM (Hu/Da)

Excuse me, but that is ridiculous. You are for creating a new tax system that is entirely for fucking over people because of their politics? That's what we're trying to get away from!!!A tax system should be NEUTRAL to whatever party you belong to. It should be FAIR to everyone, not just one slice of the population.If you want to go after the high earners, then take away the byzantine deductions that they've carved out for themselves. Change the system so that they can't shield their money with loopholes.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (GQ8sn)

430 Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 10:59 AM (JWLqy)
___
see:

YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT!

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (jm/9g)

431 Complete red states Utah, OK, West Va, Alaska*
Complete blue states: Ma, Rhode Island, Vermont, Hawaii*

* No counties that I can see

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (feFL6)

432 Then the flaming chimichangas it is.

Homophobe!

Posted by: Typical Leftard at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (5iuEW)

433 The house should pass a bill repealing the deal that links their salaries to the inflation index. They should tie their loot to the growth of GNP. The Senate will, of course, not pass this. But in two years they will have the Senate and then they can bring it up again and pass it. O will have to veto it. That will be pretty funny.

Posted by: Davidlind at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (J9mCu)

434 4 apolitical people i know bought or are shopping for rifles based on the election result. the don't follow politics closely, but they not stupid. they voted and they're scared. these are suburbanites who basically keep to themselves. not a nutjob like me.

Posted by: DCPensFan at November 09, 2012 11:01 AM (ma/2m)

435 "391 As a young conservative who unabashedly holds Romney and the GOP responsible for Tuesday, I'll say this.

If the commenters here represent the conservative base going forward, we are well and truly fucked. I can only wait for the old guard to die off now. Thanks for dooming the country with your cluelessness.
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (DRG6e)"

If your new buddies don't obey the current law, why will they obey the new one?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 11:01 AM (bnAKg)

436 This seems like sensible advice despite being posted at NRO:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/d32un24

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 11:01 AM (qEkGZ)

437 But it's not, this country and it's citizens have fundamentally changed that much.

it had changed long before 2008. Obama is a symptom of the terminal phase, not the cause of the disease.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 09, 2012 11:01 AM (GBXon)

438 Thanks for dooming the country with your cluelessness.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 10:52 AM (DRG6e)


If there are an infinite number of alternative universes, none exist where I give a flying fuck about you or your opinion.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 09, 2012 11:01 AM (miuQT)

439 @ 350 Adam

I was right about the election? Thought so.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (TVbdM)

440
The combination of name calling and attitude is enough for me to not associate with them any longer. That bad.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 09, 2012 10:56 AM (W+Itt)

Want to get their attention? Simply notify them you've changed your Last Will and Testament, and amazingly, the malcontents no longer create hate and discontent, but attempt to seek your favor.
My answer? Sorry, game over and you're no longer a beneficiary of my largess. The buttheads are mad and aren't going to take it anymore. Good.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (lDWQr)

441 "I have found the Conservative blogosphere to live in a bubble and ignore reality."

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 10:26 AM (TVbdM)

In retrospect, I don't beleive this is true.

We were being told by the pollsters that Obama was going to outperform 2008 by a significant margin. Using common sense we rejected that idea. We were right.

We were told that Mitt Romney had a sophisticated, well-managed GOTV operation. Based on his business record, Olympic success and governing of a state we assumed it was correct. We were wrong.

Each assumption was logical and well reasoned. No bubble, just good reasoning and let down where there should have been competetence.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (ZDsRL)

442 @ 410

eman , yes. The terms matter.

Before receiving a non immigrant ( migrant) visa , the non immigrant applicant must promise not to have an intention of immigrating.

Migrants are generally legal workers or similar that must return after a short period of permitted entry for work etc.
but they frequently don't which results in "overstays".

Posted by: T. Hunter at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (EZl54)

443 Aren't Republicans grooming some pretty good Hispanic talent right now?
It would be ironic if the democrats opened the floodgates during bad times, then a Hispanic Republican swooped in to promise them better times...right when they were all legal to vote...
I think Hispanics do have a strong work ethic to get ahead in life. Might not stay a democrat voting block, like some other voting blocks that prefer a monthly check to stay at home and watch TV. The change needs to be made NOW, because the next generation of Hispanics, that are educated in America will learn the loafer lifestyle as they move away from their grandparents strong work ethic. This is the population growth voting block. Its best to court them now!!

Posted by: vonvervengarten at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (zToqc)

444 If the GOP speaks assertively, and not defensively, on this they can make enough gains to matter, without disgusting pandering.
Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 10:58 AM (9KqcB)

Then you woke up.

Why don't you give us your detailed plan on how you will direct 30% of an unknown future population of migrants to the GOP and Conservative values.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (sRus3)

445 Hahahahaha


Dave Weigel is screaming today about Pennsylvania. More Democrat votes in House races than Republican. Dems won 5 of 18 seats.


THIS is how you do it, Republicans.

Posted by: rockmom at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (qe2/V)

446 Exact same thing happened to me, with liberal family members on Facebook. Close family.
The combination of name calling and attitude is enough for me to not associate with them any longer. That bad.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 09, 2012 10:56 AM (W+Itt)



Facebook. Owned and run by that raging Obozo loving douchenozzle. Can anyone tell me why they waste any time on that site?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (1Jaio)

447 @ 378 kj

Italians, Irish and Poles where heavily Democratic. Then the GOP reached out to them and won their votes. Europe is a Socialist hell hole, so you think bringing in Europeans would improve the GOP's fortunes?

You are nothing but a Nativist bigot. I am glad your time in the GOP is running out. Bye bye Nazi scum!

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:03 AM (TVbdM)

448 It's true. This is not about illegal immigration. It's about hating Hispanics. Let's be real about this. Too many Republicans are ignorant and don't realize Hispanics come from a European culture. If the illegals were from Ireland or England, these people would be fighting for amnesty.

And if that was the case, the leading "immigration rights" group, La Raza, would be in another line of work. Yes, let's be real.

How about this: What if millions of white, French-speaking Canadians were pouring over our northern border, settling in states that they believe rightfully belong to Canada, driving down wages, and voting Republican?

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:04 AM (9KqcB)

449 Complete red states Utah, OK, West Va, Alaska*
Complete blue states: Ma, Rhode Island, Vermont, Hawaii*

* No counties that I can see


Posted by: Schr�dinger's cat at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (feFL6)

Utah keeps popping up on lists like this, and yet Mia Love somehow "lost" her House election. Why she is not demanding a recount like West did, I have no idea.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 11:04 AM (qEkGZ)

450 These people have to seriously feel the pain of what Obama/socialism means. It's the only way they will learn.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (HDgX3)


Yessir.

...and my heart pumps purple piss for them.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 11:04 AM (SLg2R)

451 ..and really, How much smarts are required when you have 98.467593% of the nations media dragging you across the line,
___
Not just the MFM, but Bernanke helped by printing more money in Sept, driving the stock market up. I was on vacation when I heard the news, thinking: oh, this is the "let's drag the SCOAMT's ass across the line plan"

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:04 AM (jm/9g)

452 heh.

"Local Traffic Reporter Gives Directions To Canada After Romney Loss."
(h/t DC)

Posted by: Talibill at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (WEWGu)

453 443 vonvervengarten

We need more Republicans like you. Let's take our party back from the Nativist scum.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (TVbdM)

454
We should be working on prying lose the African American vote from the Democrats,let the bastards have the Hispanic vote they'll be owned by the Mexican drug cartels in a few years anyway

Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (qEts0)

455
Dave Weigel is screaming today about Pennsylvania. More Democrat votes in House races than Republican. Dems won 5 of 18 seats.





THIS is how you do it, Republicans.

Posted by: rockmom at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (qe2/V)

What does that mean, I don't follow?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (UypUQ)

456 <<<THIS is how you do it, Republicans.

You can thank me!

Posted by: Jerry Mander at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (feFL6)

457 They can control which states have early caucuses
and primaries and can stop having them in states with a lot of liberals
to cross over and cause trouble.


Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 10:50 AM (qEkGZ)

now that I agree with 100%

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (YdQQY)

458 Just how many times do you think the gov should
reach into your pocket on any given day? How many times should the gov
tax you for the same money?


Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 10:44 AM (GQ8sn)

Well I mean we have to have taxes. The founders knew that. Everyone knows that. Personally I'm all for cutting the size of government, but under this President that's not happening. So if we're going to have the Debt Limit negotiations again, when they push us for "revenue" I say throw it back in their face and push for taxes on THEIR constituency. They want to soak the job creators, I say let's soak the celebretards.

Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (TDbSH)

459 YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT!
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:00 AM (jm/9g)

Elaborate? A thread?

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (JWLqy)

460 No Hector I was talking about your statement that by somehow respecting the law I want to throw Hispanics into gas chambers. Do you have any basis in reality for that statement? Do you have any evidence? Or are you just spouting hyperbole like the unintelligent asshole you are?

Posted by: Adam at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (/YJYi)

461 Facebook. Owned and run by that raging Obozo loving douchenozzle. Can anyone tell me why they waste any time on that site?

Mark Zuckerberg. He answered a question about paying $1 billion in taxes if Obama asked him to, "I'm cool with that..."

He timed his marriage to avoid certain tax penalties.

Fucking hypocrit.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (GQ8sn)

462 Facebook. Owned and run by that raging Obozo loving douchenozzle. Can anyone tell me why they waste any time on that site?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (1Jaio)


Do you have a link to the conservative equivalent?

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (Qxe/p)

463 Utah keeps popping up on lists like this, and yet Mia Love somehow "lost" her House election. Why she is not demanding a recount like West did, I have no idea.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 11:04 AM (qEkGZ)


I don't understand that one at all.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (SLg2R)

464 I want another recipe thread now, bitches.

Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 11:07 AM (/ZZCn)

465 Mexico is having second thoughts, apparently, on fighting the drug war. Mexico is probably asking: Why should our people be risking their lives
fighting the very drug cartels the Obama administration armed and that
has goods America very clearly wants to buy?

Real question: What
does Mexico gain here if they decide to keep stopping the drug trade?
Fighting against better armed, better funded drug cartels, while the
population that they are supposedly helping -- Americans -- have voted
to keep the administration that gave the drug cartels weapons -and-
voted to legalize marijuana?

Note: I don't use drugs, but I
understand the policy argument for legalization or at least
decriminalization. I'm not sure the right path to take on it; but once
states start saying it is legal, it makes it very, very hard to keep
pretending it is a non-issue.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 11:07 AM (moRRg)

466 Allen West coming up on Beck. He's ahead 300 votes.

And the Communist Party is praising the election of Dear Leader.

Shocka.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:07 AM (UOM48)

467 "Too many Republicans are ignorant and don't realize Hispanics come from a European culture."
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Biggest LMAO of the day. The only thing European about "Hispanics" is their language. Puerto Ricans don't sit down to a spread of tapas and sangria at 10pm, and Spaniards don't have a special alcove of their house dedicated to the practice of santeria.

Please get a clue before you come with the homogeneous Hispanic group theory. They don't even self-identify as Hispanic, they identify with their country of origin.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:08 AM (jm/9g)

468 423
All I did was let slip that I voted for Romney. I am now hated, and viewed as subhuman.

414


#394 Pyrocles
Exact same thing happened to me, with liberal family members on Facebook. Close family.
The combination of name calling and attitude is enough for me to not associate with them any longer. That bad.



Posted by: Who Knows at November 09, 2012 10:56 AM (W+Itt)



Posted by: Pyrocles at November 09, 2012 10:59 AM (cv5Iw)


I cannot understand why people put up with this. It's FB, fergodssake....either block them or defriend them. It's totally in your control. You do not have to be irritated over fuckin' Facebook!!!

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 11:08 AM (X6akg)

469 Well I mean we have to have taxes. The founders knew
that. Everyone knows that. Personally I'm all for cutting the size of
government, but under this President that's not happening. So if we're
going to have the Debt Limit negotiations again, when they push us for
"revenue" I say throw it back in their face and push for taxes on THEIR
constituency. They want to soak the job creators, I say let's soak the
celebretards.


Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (TDbSH)

Exactly. Buffet and his ilk - and Beyonce and JZ and various assorted POS's like them - love Obama and his crap? Let them damn well pay for it.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 11:08 AM (qEkGZ)

470 "We should be working on prying lose the African American vote from the Democrats"

Forget African Americans. We should be pointing to the black population and telling the Hispanics that this could be you in one generation.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 11:08 AM (ZDsRL)

471 Hector of Troy

you fucking numbnuts what did i say that was bigoted? i merely stated the historic truth

Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 11:08 AM (qEts0)

472 There are three memes I would like to see go away ASAP: The first is the "let it burn" crap. I don't want to see the country destroyed. If it "burns," we will too.
-----------
THIS.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 11:09 AM (cVfX0)

473 448 CJ

La Raza is boogey man used by Conservatives. We need to smash that organization, not fear them. As for your dream of Millions of whites coming here and voting republican, most of Europe is Socialist. So dream on.

Did you know according to the census most Hispanics are White? Didn't think so bigot.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:09 AM (TVbdM)

474 Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (JWLqy)
___
That line that escaped out of JEF"s mouth was classic Hugo Chavez rhetoric. It was my way of giving you a YES answer to your question.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:09 AM (jm/9g)

475 An amnesty program would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

I thought that happened on Tuesday night.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 09, 2012 11:09 AM (vbh31)

476 Why don't you give us your detailed plan on how you will direct 30% of an unknown future population of migrants to the GOP and Conservative values.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (sRus3)

Future? That's the challenge now, sparky.

How? Same message we use for all potential voters. Limited govenment, limted taxation, law enforcement, and strong military. Again, the strategic aim is win over white moderates, and to stop acting as a fundraising tool for La Raza's GOTV effort. That's enough to move the needle a few crucial points.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (9KqcB)

477 471 kj

Europe is Socialist, yes or no?

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (TVbdM)

478 Most hispanics entering this country are not what we would call - "informed potential voters".....
For gods sake - Obama was running spanish language spots in Mexico encouraging them to come on over and get free shit......

As long as the free shit is handed out - we got no chance.....

The House needs to starve ever social program we can.

People need to starve and die in the streets.....
Sorry - but it is now us against the free-loaders.
If the GOP does not get it then the system will eventually be overrun and collapse anyway.

When the cops, firefighters and teachers lose their paychecks - and the free-loaders march on DC - let the games begin......

Posted by: izoneguy at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (oKH8p)

479 @357

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

First I would have the same problem if the mass illegal immigration were happening by white French speaking Canadians.

Second the illegals that are coming here are not the Blond hair blue eyed European decendants of the educated Mexican ruling classes they are the descendants of the indigenous peoples of Mexico bringing with them their 50% illigitmacy rates, criminality, high birth rates with little education and few skills.

They are not assimilating as I have to push 1 to continue in English, choose a language on my ATM, etc. they are assimilating U.S.

And when was it decided that the US would feed, clothe, house, incarcerate, educate and take care of Mexico's surplus population?

I don't remember taking a vote on that.

A country cannot long survive this sort of suicidal madness.

These people are coming from shit holes and in the process turning America into a 3rd world shit hole.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (06lNq)

480 Let it collapse.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (DGIjM)

481 Well I mean we have to have taxes. The founders knew that. Everyone
knows that. Personally I'm all for cutting the size of government, but
under this President that's not happening. So if we're going to have the
Debt Limit negotiations again, when they push us for "revenue" I say
throw it back in their face and push for taxes on THEIR constituency.
They want to soak the job creators, I say let's soak the celebretards.


Un-fucking believeable.

You want to deliberately target democrat voting rich people, while at the same time sparing the republican voting rich people? Just how the hell do you write a law like that?

I know you want to go after rich, liberal, hypocrit celebrities but you are proposing a system that is blatantly unfair. You want to go after the likes of Tim Cook, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Jay-Z? Find out which deductions they take, which loopholes they use, and take them away.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)

482 Let it collapse.
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (DGIjM)


It WILL collapse...the only thing now is are you prepared?

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (JWLqy)

483 I see a mix of 2007 Amnesty trolls are back.

Type 1 advocates Amnesty with promises of GOP success (CJ).

Type 2 says we should just give it a try, what's the worst that could happen.

Type 3 (Hector) does the La Raza Boogie on the street corner.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (sRus3)

484 I respect you folks here who can continue to discuss things as tho we have some say in what is going to happen in our country. Most of the land mass is conservative. The population is not. They are going to dictate our lives from the ghetto. Speaking of dictators, I heard Obama will speak today to say he is raising taxes on the rich and will take NO questions!

Posted by: AnnaS at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (ItCyz)

485 Is this guy Hector coming across as a pole smoking queer or no?

Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (Zzyhu)

486 now if i said that 90% of tranny prostitutes were Hispanic that would be bigoted

Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (qEts0)

487 have never set foot on Facebook. I don't need to know that my fifth cousin's dog just took a crap, or that all of my wife's teacher friends are Obamabots.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (2zM0P)

488
Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 10:51 AM

Mal, leftists always drop their disguise every once in a while, Hector is a hard leftist, likes to pretend repub here and there with his trolling, but it is truly he who would like to see anybody on the right sent to camps.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (PHb2k)

489 462 Facebook. Owned and run by that raging Obozo loving douchenozzle. Can anyone tell me why they waste any time on that site?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:02 AM (1Jaio)


Friends, Old buddies/girlfriends (heh!) and family.

Current girlfriend: "Who's the chick with the enormous boobs?"

Me: ummmm.. Mafia Wars. :-)

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (SLg2R)

490
"And why don't you google Krauthammer and gun control. He not a solid conservative.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (6BgmB)"I disagree with his position. But, nobody is perfect. Not even I.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (WR5xI)

491
Special article: The Entire GOP Elite Seems To Be Selling Out En masse On Immigration. Boehner, Sean Hannity, Cantor, Krauthammer, etc. We cannot allow this to happen. How does it make sense to legalize a group of people who voted overwhelmingly Democrat?


Because we caaaaaaarrreee!!!

Posted by: cajun carrot of the carebare electorate at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (UZQM8)

492 I'm a passive person who rarely expresses my politics to family, and did nothing to provoke such hate. The vulgar name-calling from close family I used to respect and love.


I walked away from the other half of my internets life several months ago because I knew what was coming. Over a decade there, people I thought were my friends and a fandom presence that at one time was fairly well respected. I will never go back.

Am I living in an echo chamber? Maybe. I simply do not have the energy to fight back over there any longer. They hate me. They lie to themselves and think they don't but they hate me. Fine. I don't need that in my life. I'm actually in the process of dismantling my former fandom life so as to completely disassociate myself from that world.






Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (VtjlW)

493 13

I am confident that if Congress declares amnesty for the millions of illegals currently in America, no additional illegals will ever desire to cross over because we've used up the finite supply?


Hire the drug cartels to pick them off when they cross
over -

Posted by: izoneguy at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (oKH8p)

494 Posted by: PC at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (GDX/y)

What does your nic stand for PC? politically correct? I won't say what I want to say because this is not my blog but use your imagination - it ain't pretty.

THE HILL TO DIE ON IS IMMIGRATION.

Why does Boner - who is suppose to represent the House run his mouth now? Has he even talked to all the members to see what they want to do?

Posted by: osu at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (xR46S)

495 PS. He raised taxes, too.

Gasp! Shock! Your revelations are causing us to re-evaluate our beliefs!

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (9KqcB)

496 467 kallisto

Most Puerto Ricans are white. Their culture comes from Spain and they do drink sangria.

Do you know any Puerto Ricans? Don't think so you Nativist scum.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (TVbdM)

497 Good news about West! I would rather have a recipe thread then tear each other apart about the election. It's over. We lost. Move on.... And yes I do think something should be done about illegals. It is not going away. No I don't think they would particularly vote Rep. Important to protect ,close the border as best we can and do something with those already here....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (9+ccr)

498 4 Also, still not understanding why Hispanics come here from shithole countries only to try to implement the same policies that made their countries shitholes. Shouldn't they want for something better?

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (a0nis)

They don't know anything better.

Posted by: KG at November 09, 2012 11:13 AM (p7BzH)

499 418"..and really, How much smarts are required when you have 98.467593% of
the nations media dragging you across the line, giving you a blow job and the courtesy of a reach around, all at the same time?


All Barqui McBomberJacket had to do is lay there. They even lit up his smokes and changed the Barry White album for him.



Sorry, CD."


They have had the media since before Nixon. That is just the easy answer. Bush won against them in 2004 for Chrissakes. This was about us having a wrong plan and wrong man. We fucked up. We believed idiots knew what they were talking about. They didn't. Please see this.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 11:13 AM (6H6FZ)

500 Kind of O/T but I had a thought about the polls...

Chris Matthews et al are convinced Sandy saved Obama. No Sandy and we have President Elect Romney. I tend to believe this as well.

So if this is true, that means all the state polls WERE WRONG. And Nate Silver WAS WRONG. And we were right. All up to about October 30th when Sandy changed the course of the election.

Pre-Sandy Nate Silver was saying 75% change Obama wins. So either Sandy didn't change anything, or it did change everything and not only did it save Obama, it also saved Silver and the state pollsters asses.

Thought?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 09, 2012 11:13 AM (HDgX3)

501 I don't really like white people much.

Posted by: Hector of Troy AKA Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:13 AM (3VR5K)

502 Europe is Socialist, yes or no?

Didn't you just get through wagging your finger at everyone, proclaiming illegal immigrants from Mexico as true Europeans?

Make up your fucking mind.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 11:13 AM (XMaKL)

503 Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (sRus3)

I'm type 2. I promise no success.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:13 AM (9KqcB)

504 Also, still not understanding why Hispanics come here from shithole countries only to try to implement the same policies that made their countries shitholes. Shouldn't they want for something better?
Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (a0nis)

Very late to the thread so I'm sure someone said this already but we see this happening in states every day. MA-holeswill shortly destroyNH. I worked in SC for 18 months (beautiful state!). As liberals from other states move in, they will try to implement their stupid failed policies. Eternal vigilance!

Posted by: Lynne at November 09, 2012 11:14 AM (+Uv5V)

505 Let's take our party back from the Nativist scum.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (TVbdM)

"Nativist" is good, but you left out "Ceasarists" and "Xtianists." You're slipping, dood.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 11:14 AM (IoNBC)

506 481 Well I mean we have to have taxes. The founders knew that. Everyone
knows that. Personally I'm all for cutting the size of government, but
under this President that's not happening. So if we're going to have the
Debt Limit negotiations again, when they push us for "revenue" I say
throw it back in their face and push for taxes on THEIR constituency.
They want to soak the job creators, I say let's soak the celebretards.

Un-fucking believeable.

You want to deliberately target democrat voting rich people, while at the same time sparing the republican voting rich people? Just how the hell do you write a law like that?

I know you want to go after rich, liberal, hypocrit celebrities but you are proposing a system that is blatantly unfair. You want to go after the likes of Tim Cook, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Jay-Z? Find out which deductions they take, which loopholes they use, and take them away.
Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)

Yes and I agree with him. And I will add another caveat, fuck them and you

Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 11:14 AM (Zzyhu)

507 John Boehner should outlaw gravity my back hurt this morning.

Amnesty is done Luap Nor fans. Thanks.

Boehner and the GOP leadership understand they can either let it be passed legally or Barack will do whatever the fuck he wants and display openly we have no Constitution and are venezuela.

We lost the nation and the Republic this week.

Time to survive the mess.

Fuck Obama

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:14 AM (LRFds)

508 Didn't you just get through wagging your finger at everyone, proclaiming illegal immigrants from Mexico as true Europeans?



Shh, he's rolling.

Posted by: Adam at November 09, 2012 11:15 AM (/YJYi)

509 Of course the GOP is going to sell out on immigration.
They are going to sell out all the way down the line from taxes to debt ceilings.

You had 1 million libertarians vote for Johnson, you could double that for the Paulians who stayed home, not to mention the 2.5-3 million "conservative purists".

The GOP voters, the ones who ranted on about their liberties and logical, common sense ideas are the ones who handed this to Obama and pushed us off the cliff by not showing up.

You bet your bottom dollar that the GOP is looking for greener pastures/voters to replace the complete morons who threw everything away.

Posted by: Drider at November 09, 2012 11:15 AM (PsHkt)

510 CNBC announcing that Boehner will be speaking any minute.

Guess this is where he gives the ship away.

Posted by: Caustic at November 09, 2012 11:15 AM (/b8+5)

511 http://tinyurl.com/avx355n

Sandy was an evil Rethug homophobe!

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 09, 2012 11:15 AM (rzTDZ)

512 Chris Matthews et al are convinced Sandy saved Obama.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 09, 2012 11:13 AM (HDgX3)

Sandy and the vote steal in Philly and Cleveland or as Cutter calls it "banked votes"

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 11:15 AM (JWLqy)

513 Why do we call the amnesty for Hispanics? It is the Mexicans that are flooding this country. I get the different groups within Hispanics/Latinos whatever we are suppose to say now but the vast majority of people coming over illegally should be called Mexicans. Racist .. I know.

Posted by: osu at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (xR46S)

514 Do you have a link to the conservative equivalent?

Have you heard of the Diaspora Project?

http://diasporaproject.org/
https://joindiaspora.com/

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (/eBe8)

515 Fuck 'em all end the Bush Tax Cuts and not just the taxes on the evil rich fuck them end them all....TAX ME MORE BARRY!

Of course your OBAMAPHONE! bitch gets taxed too...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (LRFds)

516 "An amnesty program would be the end of the Republican party as we know it."

Sold.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (zpqa2)

517 The rich like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have already gamed the system for themselves. All those rich democrats have two faces, the public face that shouts out how unfair the system is and how the rich should be punished, and their real face, their rent-seeker face, that gets special treatment from the govt.

If somebody knows where to find a list of companies to start avoiding - companies owned by rich liberals, please post it.

Costco and Sam's Club/Walmart are at the top of my list. Now I have to figure out where to shop for groceries.

Posted by: Boots at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (neKzn)

518 480
Let it collapse.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (DGIjM)

What an awful attitude. I swear, some people are more interested in being "proven right by history" than in winning.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (UypUQ)

519 Runner the Kraut is also pro-choice, anti-death penalty and for increasing fuel taxes besides being for gun control.

Posted by: Bush at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (Vdd8W)

520 Friends, Old buddies/girlfriends (heh!) and family.



Current girlfriend: "Who's the chick with the enormous boobs?"



Me: ummmm.. Mafia Wars. :-)





Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (SLg2R)


You know the Moron Rule regarding wives/girlfriends with big boobs.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (VtjlW)

Not to get all into your personal life, friend in a box, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Fandom?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (da5Wo)

521 375
Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 10:48 AM (wYVte) - ******** You and I know you were referring to BLACK preachers, the only type libs associate with at election time. If they re so boring, then why do pols imitate them?

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (opS9C)

522 Cover Your Assets.

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (MLHfc)

523 Yes and I agree with him. And I will add another caveat, fuck them and you

Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 11:14 AM (Zzyhu)

Ummm...not sure who you're telling fuck off to.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (GQ8sn)

524 red state secession

Posted by: the little voice in your head at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (EZl54)

525 Come on, you guys have to have more.....right? Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 10:31 AM (OWjjx)

Restore bankruptcyfor student loans. The 2000-2006 Republicans were sucking bankster cock when they turned student loans into lifetimedebt slavery. You'll lock up the 20-40 year old vote and defund the worst commies in the country, the college faculties, who have grown fat on inflated salaries funded by enslaving dumb kids with student loans that can't be discharged in bankruptcy. If we do that it will bring the price of an education down to a reasonable level and deny the left a source of funding.
If some banker wants to loan $200,000 for a womyn's studies degree let him eat the loss.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (6BgmB)

526 510 Caustic,

John Boehner is trying to keep the US from becoming a defacto one party state in 2014.

I trust him a lot more than the Tea partiers to do that.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (LRFds)

527 Does Sean Hannity think we'll get credit for the amnesty? Did we get credit for the 1986 amnesty or did the Democrats?

Did we ever get credit for The CRA of '64?

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (e7S3p)

528
Future? That's the challenge now, sparky.

How? Same message we use for all potential voters. Limited govenment, limted taxation, law enforcement, and strong military. Again, the strategic aim is win over white moderates, and to stop acting as a fundraising tool for La Raza's GOTV effort. That's enough to move the needle a few crucial points.
Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (9KqcB)

Oh, the same persuasion that worked well for us a few days ago? You want to cure the ills of uncontrolled migration by legalizing and renaming it, and then hoping you can nudge a big chunk of the horde into our camp.

Ninja, please.

Somehow after Amnesty the border will be secured? Then why not do it now?

After 40 million migrants become citizens they will never let the border be closed and you will never get them to do the opposite of what they did to get here the first place.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (sRus3)

529 487
have never set foot on Facebook. I don't need to know that my fifth
cousin's dog just took a crap, or that all of my wife's teacher friends
are Obamabots.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (2zM0P)



This. My husband and son love it, at least they did before the election. Now, not so much.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM (UOM48)

530 hector

Europe is socialist, but socialism in Europe and socialism in Latin America two horses of a different color.or are you so fucking incredibly simple minded you don't see that?

Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 11:18 AM (qEts0)

531 As a young conservative who unabashedly holds Romney and the GOP responsible for Tuesday, I'll say this. If the commenters here represent the conservative base going forward, we are well and truly fucked.

Thanks for using your limited experience to draw sweeping, simple conclusions about your fellow conservativs. It's the most admirable trait of young people.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:18 AM (9KqcB)

532 Costco and Sam's Club/Walmart are at the top of my list. Now I have to figure out where to shop for groceries.
Posted by: Boots at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (neKzn)

Sam's Club/Walmart are owned/run by libs?? News to me.

Posted by: yinzer at November 09, 2012 11:18 AM (/Mla1)

533 So did West come on yet?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 09, 2012 11:18 AM (9+ccr)

534
I just continue to laugh at idiots like Ace and others...Obama pulled in over 10 million fewer votes in 2012 and all I keep hearing about is that Obama won barely over 1 percent....first President to lose votes in Re-election and it is all a disaster for conservatives. BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Instead of focusing on Obama's Disaster performance we talk about a GROUND GAME that bought in over 10 million fewer voters...LOL!! Hurricane Sandy Ace....BS! Sure if you talk to the Democrats that came to the polls! It is pathetic...OBAMA STUNK....with all his CULTURAL CRAP and re-alignment he bought in over 10 million fewer voters..WHERE ARE THE MASSIVE HISPANICS???? 10 percent again of the voters...BLACKS? 13 percent...LOL!! What a joke.

Again missing the point left and right as most pundits do. CONSERVATIVES did not like Romney...PLAIN AND SIMPLE...Cut the CRAP! He had fewer votes than McCAIN...give me a break. He had fewer Evangelicals and Catholics....THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CULTURE or CLINTON or SANDY...you clueless pundit!

You will never beat a liberal with liberal lite! Gee...Romney was never truely accepted by the right. Evangelicals could easily have turned this election. He pulled in fewer than McCain. I am listening to all the hand wringing and it is a joke!

George W. Bush...there is your answer. In 2004 Bush pulled in over 62 million votes...not because of Demographics or Culture. He pulled in that because FISCAL AND SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES liked him! Gee lets see Ronald Reagan 1980/1984 won....George Bush 2000/2004 Won....hmmm I wonder why? Bob Dole...Lost....McCain....Lost....Romney..Lost...Pattern here????

The Pundits are missing the point totally. No one was on fire for Romney. You put Paul Ryan on top...things would have been different. You cannot tell Evagelicals to support a Mormon...it will not happen. Catholics had no trust in Romney either...in MASS he was liberal, supported abortion and did raise fees...Cripe this is so simple it is a joke.

McCain would have beaten Obama this year. I mean this is just sad that pundits who sit on their fat butts do not get it. NOMINATE A CONSERVATIVE FOR ONCE and we will win. This idea that Romney with the same pathetic game plan as McCain...(BE NICE AND NEVER ATTACK) is a joke. McCain lost for the same reason. Romney never connected the way George Bush did or Ronald Reagan. Paul Ryan was handtied by the idiots in Boston as Palin was with the idiots from McCain. You could see Paul wanted to talk specifics but instead Romney gave us this vagueness which is why 81 percent thought Obama cared about them and Romney did not. Yes Goodies are involved but Romney NEVER LAID OUT SPECIFICS of how?? He rarely talked about his tax plan and Obamacare was off the table. He should have hammered all the TAXES in Obamacare...he never did. He never called Obama a liberal, never called him out over Benghazi or Fast and Furious. All Romney did was "WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER FOUR YEARS" sounds great but no emotion and no passion.

I am sorry but please conservatives we must stop eliminating our guys in the primary by splitting the vote. We always end up with Liberal RINOS and they always lose. This obsession like Rush says with Moderates never works!!! You must get your bas energized and Romney failed miserably. THAT IS WHY HE LOST...demographics, sandy and Clinton is BS!!!!!!!!

If Ace, who really has no idea, thinks Clinton did so well and Obama has a Cultural edge and such...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE over 10 million voters he lost EINSTEIN??? I mean he barely won with 50 percent. He has no mandate and our side is sounding ridiculous!!

George W Bush for all his faults...KNOWS A GROUND GAME...see 62 million voters. He inspired the Social and Fiscal Conservatives. He was a good man and he may not have been the best orator but he was REAL and people liked him. They trusted him and he treated people with respect. This garbage he gave us Obama is junk. What gave us Obama was the foolishness of Carter and Clinton with the Reinvestment Act that FORCED trillions in bad loans by banks to people WHO NEVER should have been given loans. This collapased during Bush's term. But he kept taxes low, protected America and helped businesses. He was blamed for something he did not do they way OBAMA is never blamed for his horrible handling of the economy.

Romney lost for one reason: HE WAS NOT A CONSERVATIVE and the base did not come out. Whites, Hispanics and Blacks. I am so sick of this race crap. Obama for all his IMMIGRATION CRAP still pulled in over 10 million fewer voters.

This is no ground game. I have said this before...you MUST give people a reason to vote for you not just against. Romney never did that. Obama just crossed the line with leftovers. He is done. He has no capital and the economy will be tanking very shortly.

Yes the MSM aided the Marxist left and right...but they aided KERRY just as much against Bush. And they lost big time. This narrative is flawed. YOU WIN BY INSPIRING AND GIVING A REASON TO VOTE.

Now we have idiots like Hannity and Boehner claiming Immigration is the issue and just reward the law breakers. GOD HOW DUMB! No dimwits nominate WINNERS and not LOSERS! When the debt crisis comes and by next year another million are out of work and shortly you will be seeing thousands of companies DROP employees health insurance lets see how the HISPANICS worry about immigration. Here comes closed hospitals, fewer doctors, more costs for medical devices for family members, regulated care, fewer medications, longer lines and misery.

Elections has consequences and the 50 percent are in for a rude awakening. They will suffer the economic and regulatory misery much worse and they deserve it. They voted for Obama and they need to suffer and they should. Many more will be in poverty and that is good. They need to learn their lesson. It is funny the person they voted for will be the one that ensure their misery and greater economic hardship. Poetic justice to me. I could care less. I also love that more and more college twits will graduate with no jobs but McDonald's and all that DEBT....LOL!! They deserve it to. Live off Mommy and Daddy and then vote socialism until JOB TIME COMES and the doors are closed. Sorry that worthless degree...go apply at 1-800-OBAMA...see if he will hire you...their economic future is DULL AND MISERY. And let them suffer. They will not be able to afford new homes or cars....LOL!! With what 8.00 an hour...LOL!

These people need to suffer and suffer they will. There is no rainbow coming. Companies will no longer offer health benbefits and it is coming across the board and every HUMAN RESOURCE Director knows it. They will be unloaded, pay the smaller fine and all this TWITS will be on Government Plans with fewer hospitals and fewer treatments. Hey they voted for Cuba, Venezuela and Chinese health care. Do they really think they will get the best anymore...LOL! Sure you will...Hi...I am healthcare provider...my Salary will be cut, they will have to cover anyone with no more revenue, 413 billion less in Medicare, more taxes on devices, panels to determine your value and YOU FOOLS think medicine will be advance?? Not anymore it will not be.

Check out the estimates of the number of doctors that have said they will retire because of Obamacare..who will replace them? Catholic Groups have said plans are in the works already to close nursing homes and hospitals and centers due to the HHS Mandate and other issues from Obamacare...who will take of these patients? where will they go?

Oh misery is coming and those that voted for the MAN WHO CARES ABOUT ME and make sure when you are poorer with no job and horrible health take a walk to Washingtonand see if Obama cares as he plans the 35 million dollar home for himself inHawaii whileyou live in your government dump with no future. So much for Obama's Vaulted GroundGame...BS!

Nominate a conservative and we win...Nominate someone that can articulate conservatism we win...nominate someone that truely believes in conservatism wewin. Nominate a Northeast Liberal or Rino we will lose every time and history proves it. No O'Reilly, Hannity, Ace and others it is no demographics it is CANDIDATES that win elections and their ability to convey a message.

For if you look at the US...look at all the RED!! That is not demographics it is local politicians that convey messages. In TNand ARK the GOP took over both Houses and increased majorities. No we are not liberal...Ohio has 16 Delegates....13are GOP and 3 Dems....yet Obama won...hmmm I wonder why? Maybe a liberal GOP does not do well with Evangelicalsall over central and southern Ohio you think? The same ones thatcame out in droves forBush and more for McCain...Even in PA more GOP in House...same in Virginia, same in North Carolina, Wisconsin andothers...oh yes it mustbemore liberal.

No Thompsonlost, Brown lost, McMahonlost, the liberal in DL lost and more and more.Akin and Mourdoch shot themselvesin the foot. And Berg in ND ran the worst campaign I have ever seen.

And one final note...AllenWest....this man did fabulous in a district thatis OVERWHELMINGLY DEMOCRAT...Palm Beach and St Lucie are Dem enclaves here in Florida and he still almost won. Infact over 70 percent of the delegates to the USHouse in Floridaare from the GOP. No not moreliberal Ace or Demographics...CANDIDATES! Stop nominatingliberals. It is not about the MODERATES itis about inspiring and message!

Gee 2012had fewer voters than 2004..Kerry could have won...McCaincould have won...Obama barely won and Romney was no conservative and the base stayed home!

Posted by: bluerose75 at November 09, 2012 11:18 AM (HDcKc)

535 @ 518

480

Let it collapse.



Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 09, 2012 11:10 AM (DGIjM)

What an awful attitude. I swear, some people are more interested in being "proven right by history" than in winning.

No, you're wrong. It needs to collapse to reset, so we can get on with rebuilding. That's not defeatist, that's logical and real.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 09, 2012 11:19 AM (zpqa2)

536 Costco and Sam's Club/Walmart are at the top of my list. Now I have to figure out where to shop for groceries. Posted by: Boots at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (neKzn) My guess you will be joining me at Dollar General soon.

Posted by: cajun carrot of the carebare electorate at November 09, 2012 11:19 AM (UZQM8)

537 The founders knew that.

The founders also knew that any Direct Tax would lead to tyranny.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:19 AM (/eBe8)

538 Here's the big lie. Obama is hoping the GOP will cave on the Debt Ceiling because if we don't he and the media will blame the GOP House and they'll get slaughtered in the midterms, turning the house back to the Dems.

Fine. Let it go.

Give him the house, the senate and the White House. Then, with the country in ashes the Republicans will be here, waiting to take over. The non-partisans who don't listen or pay attention to any of this will just blame the party in power, and 2016 begins the rebirth of the Republic.

Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 11:19 AM (TDbSH)

539 - Facebook is for fags.
(I stole that from EoJ)

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2012 11:19 AM (MLHfc)

540 Free-market basedpopulism, school choice, marijuana decriminalization. Change the paradigm.

For all the talk about demographic shifts, etc, the plain and simple fact is that in a country with a growing population, Obama won a small majority of the popular vote while total votes went down. There are a lot of potential votes up for grabs among people who have given up on both parties. Anecdotal, but still - I can think of at least three or four friends of mine who are successful in their fields, smart fellas, who did not vote. They have no love for Obama, but the GOP name is toxic with them. Like someone said earlier, in retrospect we would have been better off had GWB lost in 2000. Between him and the GOP Congress from 2001-2006, they eliminated even the possibility of voting Republican for millions of people.

No, it isn't fair that for whatever reason - MFM, whatever - the stink of failure never stays on Dems like it does Repubs. I'm not interested in fairness or utopian hopes. I'm interested in defeating the goals of the Democratic Party. At this point, I'm not a Republican, or a Libertarian, or anything else. I'm an Anti-Democrat, and beating those assholes by any means necessary is what I will be willing to work for.

Posted by: radar at November 09, 2012 11:19 AM (zmlwq)

541 Fuck 'em all...heell the best way to destroy the monster the federal government has become is to grant amnesty and then start running ads for the La Raza retards that secession may be legal now since Barack has established that precedent means sweet fuck all.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:19 AM (LRFds)

542 Sam's Club/Walmart are owned/run by libs?? News to me.
Posted by: yinzer at November 09, 2012 11:18 AM (/Mla1)


Sams Kiddies are libs

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 11:19 AM (JWLqy)

543 532 - the next generation of Walton's has been giving a ton of money to TFG.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:20 AM (2zM0P)

544 checked temp in house, 80 degrees, but I'm cold.

Just read ORCA post, haven't made it thru all comments yet.

Colder... 2 sweaters, no help. COLD in body, mind and soul.

Last time this cold was at divorce.

Divided county. No hiding it now.

Don't care what shoulda, woulda, coulda happened. We saw what DID happen.

To hear about Boner and taxes and immigration just make me colder.

So, to all the R's out there... There is only one reason you would run a compaign like this. It is because you designed it to fail

Would you run your business like this??? Only if your desigbned it to fail.

You lost me.

To all the d's, c's, i', l's, etc...You don't have me either!!

IAM an American fighting man, I fight in the forces that keep my country free.

You may get my tax dollars, but you will never get me.

Posted by: cold at November 09, 2012 11:20 AM (q1RJB)

545 Sam's Club/Walmart are owned/run by libs?? News to me.

They are owned by opportunists. They support TFG and O-care and other laws that enrich them at the expense of their competitors. They are ultimately becoming the "too big to fail" of the corporate world. They aren't run by conservatives at all, just by extreme crony capitalists.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:20 AM (GQ8sn)

546 Sorry to hear about the family Pyrocles.

I had only one extended family member go nuts on facebook. She was sure Rs would make sure she had no medical help should her breast cancer return.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 11:20 AM (+VMZ0)

547 Do you have a link to the conservative equivalent?


Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 11:06 AM (Qxe/p)



I don't understand the point of Facebook or why people want to be on it. Knowing that it makes a lefty cockholster tons of money who will fund other lefties (Barry) makes me know I want no part of it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:20 AM (1Jaio)

548 @ 502 Waterhouse

I am pointing out the ignorant claim that Hispanics come from Socialist countries so they can never vote Republican. We let in Europeans, they come from Socialist countries yet Nativists like you expect them to vote Republican?

I am pointing out the ignorance of your argument.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:21 AM (6Lik1)

549 We have got to stop the left from dominating the conversation! We can not let them get away with saying that the Right is racist without proof. It is time to stand up to these people and use the same tactics that they do. That is what the revolution is about. We have the proof that they stand for nothing. We have the proof that they are the real racists. We have the proof that they are now the party of the rich, elitist, fat cats. Let's Alinksy them.

Posted by: CLM at November 09, 2012 11:21 AM (mgvAj)

550
And herrrrrrre's Boehner!

He's on.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 11:21 AM (kdS6q)

551 Math wins in the end, I just want it to win soon so we can start rebuilding soon.

Posted by: Dante at November 09, 2012 09:40 AM (NWLVJ)

But the problem is, who will be doing the rebuilding? I don't see the leadership of this nation changing much even after things go boom...

Posted by: KG at November 09, 2012 11:21 AM (p7BzH)

552 535 Marxist retard fuckhead,

You empowered a jugeared retard who consorts with domestic terrorists, fuck you

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:21 AM (LRFds)

553 Can't watch Weeping Boner. Still waiting......for Allen West......

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:21 AM (UOM48)

554 Let it collapse.

The left truly believes they have an authoritative mandate, now. I think even we will be surprised at how quickly the walls come tumblin' down. It will be like giving turning a 5 year-old a book of matches in an old-growth forest in July.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (vbh31)

555 Sam's Club/Walmart are owned/run by libs?? News to me.

Posted by: yinzer at November 09, 2012 11:18 AM (/Mla1)


Where you been? I believe the Walmart guy even spoke at the DNC.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (X6akg)

556
In all the analysis over the 3 million who sat home this time, donÕt forget to count the two million who also left between Õ04 and
Õ08. Over five million have decided that the GOP has nothing to offer
them as long as they keep trotting out statists and compromisers. In an
election that the GOP should have won in a walk, they offered up the same tired
bullshit and weak-ass candidates that have plagued the conservative
movement since the moment Reagan gave the keys to Õ41. They were warned.
We arenÕt coming back.

I honestly feel that W will be the last Republican president. I came
to peace about that over a year ago when the last warning delivered by
the people was not only ignored, but rejected by those who think they
are our betters. This outcome became a fait accompli with the Roberts Decision.

Posted by: goozer at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (vsmH2)

557 491
Special article: The Entire GOP Elite Seems To Be Selling Out En masse On Immigration. Boehner, Sean Hannity, Cantor, Krauthammer, etc. We cannot allow this to happen. How does it make sense to legalize a group of people who voted overwhelmingly Democrat?

There was a lady on Levin last night - some professor or policy wonk??
Anyway - she made the most sense I have heard about all of this......
She said - reforming immigration was a pipe dream. Hispanics stood in line with blacks and voted for free shit.....
Hispanics & Blacks won't vote for people who offer them hope for a job when they get free shit for not working!
If you own a business - keep it alive to where you can make a living for the next four years. Don't expand - sell it if you can. Try to minimize your tax liability. The beast must be starved. Eventually the US will not be able to borrow. They could take all the wealth from everyone and that would pay the bills for a year. Welfare was the biggest cost driver of the budget in 2011. Far more than SS and Medicare. The government will try to prop up the welfare state over the needs of the producers for as long as it can. Eventually the welfare state takers will be getting nothing and that 50% of America will burn DC down......

Posted by: izoneguy at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (oKH8p)

558 @ 541 sven10077

La Raza is under your bed. Hide in the closet! They are everywhere! OMG, those evil Hispanics!

You would love to throw them in death camps.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (6Lik1)

559 But the problem is, who will be doing the rebuilding? I don't see the
leadership of this nation changing much even after things go boom...


Who says we need their "leadership"? I would be content to take the opportunity to be finally left alone from an over-reaching Man.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (GQ8sn)

560
The immigration and naturalization process is a fucking path to citizenship.
Oh and Sean Hannity is an interminable bore that routinely loses arguments to lightweight liberals like Tamara Holder.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (ZETiK)

561 shit...can't even express a thought properly...FML

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (vbh31)

562 551 KG,

you are trapped in the years 1776-2012....

the map won't be the same and if need be I'll bury people demanding I pretend the nation is what it was.

I swore an oath of loyalty to the US constitution not the 536 clowns.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (LRFds)

563 Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 11:17 AM
Put the pipe down.
Credit card companies flock to campuses (Campusi?) giving cards out, and they max the 5k out by X-mas. And all their "pre-pre-law" buds tell them just declare bankruptcy for that.7 year stat of limitations. 4 in school, at least 3 back w/mom...so they can still get credit when they make it to McManager!

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 09, 2012 11:23 AM (e7S3p)

564 You would love to throw them in death camps.


Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (6Lik1)



I'd love to throw you off this site

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:23 AM (1Jaio)

565 532 - the next generation of Walton's has been giving a ton of money to TFG.
Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:20 AM (2zM0P)
That's disappointing. I always felt the need to support Walmart simply because the lunatic left despises them so much. On the bright side, this gives me an excuse to NOT shop there. I fucking hate going in Walmart.
I do kind of like Sam's though.

Posted by: yinzer at November 09, 2012 11:23 AM (/Mla1)

566
Where you been? I believe the Walmart guy even spoke at the DNC.


Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (X6akg)



I thought that was the Costco guy? Perhaps both of them spoke.


We don't have Costco here, but we're crawling in Wally World Superstores.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:23 AM (UOM48)

567 518 -

Winning what?

It's not defeatist to acknowledge that some things are not winnable, and you need to let them crash and burn before you can rebuild.

I'm not there yet, but I can understand why some people are.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 11:23 AM (TOk1P)

568 558 Marxist Fucking retard,

No not at all Juan I'm gonna use them to get what I want like you marxist retards have.

Grant 'em amnesty and start agitating 'em to live up to their rhetoric.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:24 AM (LRFds)

569 Have you heard of the Diaspora Project?

http://diasporaproject.org/
https://joindiaspora.com/



Posted by: AllenG at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM

Thanks for those links...no, I had not, but will take a look at them (though that wasn't directed at me)


Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 11:24 AM (qEkGZ)

570 569 david in virginia,

Yup...I'm thinking Alaska or Idaho.

Loser retard marxists can't bear the cold and Canada understands energy.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:25 AM (LRFds)

571

Holy shit.

No wonder why we lose elections.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 11:25 AM (BIKWJ)

572 I don't see the leadership of this nation changing much even after things go boom...

It'll change fairly radically. The people in charge are usually among the first to meet their maker when a government fails.

Now, whether it will be Conservatives or Liberals who come out on top is still an open question, of course, but the current crop? Yeah, they'll be gone.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:25 AM (/eBe8)

573 Why are we arguing about what to do with the body? America is dead as we knew it, let them have their utopia, it will be faster to rebuild than to slow it down now, anyone on our side who does not understand this is an utter fool.

Posted by: Alinsky at November 09, 2012 11:25 AM (z4IOv)

574 can we please ban Hector? I am all for open and honest debate, but this guy is a flame thrower. Nazi/Death camps? Get real dude.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:25 AM (2zM0P)

575 Y'all wanna put me back in chainzzzuh!!!!111!!!11!!11!1!

Posted by: Hector of Troy AKA Joe Biden at November 09, 2012 11:25 AM (/YJYi)

576 WalMart also dumped ALEC for made up reasons.

Posted by: Bush at November 09, 2012 11:25 AM (fdnD9)

577 Republicans in the Senate should back Al Franken for Majority Leader.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (7vSU0)

578
""Christ. Some of my Liberal family members on Facebook have become truly unhinged hatemongers. I'm a passive person who rarely expresses my politics to family, and did nothing to provoke such hate. The vulgar name-calling from close family I used to respect and love. I totally understand the Civil War now, and how brother fought against brother.

Time for another infinite sabbatical from Facebook. Also not attending Thanksgiving or Christmas.""



That sure hits home, I have had the same Civil War thoughts myself. Thanks Barry for bringing the country together.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (l3vZN)

579 Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:12 AM (TVbdM)
___
When the Spaniards arrived in Puerto Rico, they subjugated the natives, the Taino. Puerto Ricans today are descendants of Taino - SOME -mixed with blood of Europeans. Do I know any Puerto Ricans? Only some blood relatives, and oh yeah my former Puereto Rican boyfriend who yes was European, but that's because his family was part of the island's ELITES. The elites have no reason to leave, they are not the emigrants.
But don't let that burst your stupid racist stereotyping against me. And it is so hilarious that you immediately peg me as a nativist, since I am the daughter of immigrants and speak four languages.

There is no homogeneous "Hispanic" culture. Cubans arenot Mexicans whoare different from Colombians whoarenot the same asPuerto Ricanswho are different from Spaniards.
The only thing they have in common is their language, and they don't even speak that the same. Does everyone in your imaginary Hispanic culture speak Castilian?
*Buffone con la testa di merde.*

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (jm/9g)

580 571 soothsayer,

we just lost to a marxist retard.

The media just proved it can get a sack of shit elected.

Fuck 'em they win.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (LRFds)

581 @ 564 TheQuietMan

I'm sure you would since I burst your little bubble. We are going to take our party back from your kind. Nothing you can do to stop it. Your hijacking of the GOP is over.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (6Lik1)

582 @534 Posted by: bluerose75 at November 09, 2012 11:18 AM (HDcKc)

You need to flesh this out a little.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (IoNBC)

583 Foget Galt! I'm going Solzhenitzen. The link is in my signature. (atheists probably won't like it)...

Posted by: Lynne at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (+Uv5V)

584 538 Here's the big lie. Obama is hoping the GOP will cave on the Debt Ceiling because if we don't he and the media will blame the GOP House and they'll get slaughtered in the midterms, turning the house back to the Dems.

Fine. Let it go.

Give him the house, the senate and the White House. Then, with the country in ashes the Republicans will be here, waiting to take over. The non-partisans who don't listen or pay attention to any of this will just blame the party in power, and 2016 begins the rebirth of the Republic.


The Republicans won't be re-building the country.
They don't have the backbone. They will be gone. It will be something new. Not the Tea Party or any other flavor we see today. Something much more militant and scary.

Posted by: izoneguy at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (oKH8p)

585 567
518 -



Winning what?



It's not defeatist to acknowledge that some things are not winnable,
and you need to let them crash and burn before you can rebuild.



I'm not there yet, but I can understand why some people are.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 11:23 AM (TOk1P)

Why spend energy trying to prop up a system is about to collapse? You know it, you can see it. Why continue to support it? It will be more painful to help sustain it, than to let it fall quickly and rebuild.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:26 AM (GQ8sn)

586 I for one welcome Hector of Troof and all the millions of huddled Mexicans yearning for FREE access to me!

Posted by: Obamacare at November 09, 2012 11:27 AM (EZl54)

587
we lose elections because we're realist and to many Americans are dickless wonders too afraid to face harsh realities

Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 11:27 AM (qEts0)

588 581 Marxist fucking retard,

Our kind?

You mean veterans and people who climbed out of poverty through work and drive?

yeah I'm sure you will fuck you bambi bot

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:27 AM (LRFds)

589 Unless Boner says he's resigning as speaker fuck him. He's a fuckig idiot. Right now he's negotiating with himself, the same dumbass shit the republicans did last time. Tell Obama that you await his plan. Then sit on your ass you dumb mother fucker.

Whatever this guys dead to me and his entire party after he said he slept like a baby. Did anyone here sleep like a baby after the election? He basically said Fuck you to all his voters.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 11:28 AM (Zzyhu)

590 Thanks for those links...no, I had not, but will take a look at them (though that wasn't directed at me)

I could probably kick in 10 - 20 bucks (maybe more, but that'd be hard on my budget) for the Ace crew to set up a Diaspora server.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:28 AM (/eBe8)

591 La Raza is under your bed. Hide in the closet! They are everywhere! OMG, those evil Hispanics!

You would love to throw them in death camps.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (6Lik1)

Fuck you Assjerk. Our payroll last year for H2A workers was over 1 million. We have had the same workers for the entire 15 years in the program. I have seen photos of the little town those dollars have built in southern Mexico when they send that money home. We are federally inspected and regulated to provide many services for those workers.

You know what they would throw us under the bus for in a second? DRIVERS LICENSE ... I asked them during the election in 2008 why their friends here were voting for TFG .. DRIVERS LICENSE and food stamps.

So fuck you asshole. We are cutting back next year and half of those workers better hope TFG gives them something or they will have to coyote over and get jobs elsewhere.

Posted by: osu at November 09, 2012 11:28 AM (xR46S)

592 Wal-Mart is the largest seller of firearms, right? Supporting Obie is a business decision.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 09, 2012 11:28 AM (rzTDZ)

593 Looking like McSally will lose in the AZ-8th after all. Dems stealing it on absentees.

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 11:28 AM (qh2M/)

594 And my Father bitches CONSTANTLY about the evils of Wal-Mart, China, and illegal immigrants, but LOVES Obama so much that he (seriously) tries to fit him in our family tree somewhere.

543
532 - the next generation of Walton's has been giving a ton of money to TFG.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:20 AM (2zM0P)

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 09, 2012 11:29 AM (cv5Iw)

595 @ 579 kallisto

Nice try with your revisionism. The Spanish intermarried with the Tainos. But immigration from Spain swamped the numbers. Today Puerto Rico is majority White with some admixture. Look at the Census data for PR. Most identify as white.

They just don't meet up to your Nazi like standards.


Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:29 AM (6Lik1)

596 Walmart Chair Walton jr. gave millions to Obama super pacs. Will never shop at those dumps again

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 11:29 AM (qh2M/)

597 "The beltway GOP is in full-blown panic. While we should evaluate what went wrong in the 2012 election, what we need is sober, dispassionate analysis, not immediate capitulation. Lets go through the lame duck evaluating what went wrong -- we'll have plenty of time to formulate policy positions on these issues in the next congress."

BenK and the above commenter,

Thanks for a bit of sanity this morning where some is needed.

When Republicans knock themselves out to welcome more illegals based on some kind of conditional amnesty - whatever - the Democrats will simply demagogue the Republican stance as Amnesty Lite (or whatever sound bite phrase they are so good at coming up with) and one up whatever the Republicans propose. Capitulating and trying to out Democrat Democrats on any position is absolute insanity and will NEVER garner any credit.

Having people like Condoleeza Rice and Marco Rubio and Palin in the R tentat the very highest levels has sure earned Republicans a lot of goodwill for diversity from potential Democrat voters and the MFM, hasn't it?

Not sure what the answer is, that's why sober reflection is needed, not just rolling over immediately. Unreal.

Posted by: RM at November 09, 2012 11:30 AM (TRsME)

598 I've come around to the idea of moving to Texas but fuck Alaska or Idaho.A lot of nonMarxists don't like six months of winter either.

Posted by: radar at November 09, 2012 11:30 AM (zmlwq)

599 589 - spot on. If Obama was ready to negotiate, or had any sort of plan, he would not be jetting off to Asia. And, yet again, as people are still without power and gas in the NY/NJ area, Obama votes present. Can you imagine if GWB was still president?

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:30 AM (2zM0P)

600 Boner is an idiot. Sounds like he's going to be caving on a lot of stuff cause no way the dems are going to go for the crap he's saying.

Posted by: Wi Lurker at November 09, 2012 11:30 AM (9pqWr)

601 Preznit Barky McMarxist: The Great Uniter

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:30 AM (UOM48)

602 "Runner the Kraut is also pro-choice, anti-death penalty and for increasing fuel taxes besides being for gun control.

Posted by: Bush at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (Vdd8W)"his only mistake is that he thinks we live in a civil society. fine, not solid, still conservative.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 11:30 AM (WR5xI)

603 Weeks like this make me MORE inclined to run for public office, even if it's only the state level.

That's weird.

Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 11:31 AM (TDbSH)

604 @ 591 osu

You spoke to imaginary Mexicans. You run away when you see a Mexican. After all they are sub human to you and deserve to exist in your mind.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:31 AM (6Lik1)

605 La Raza is boogey man used by Conservatives. We need to smash that organization, not fear them.

I smash them by noting that the leading advocates for Hispanic immigration call themselves The Race. It's how we shift the focus from our "bigots" to their bigots.

As for your dream of Millions of whites coming here and voting republican, most of Europe is Socialist. So dream on.

Twasn't a dream, it was an exercise and itwasn't Europe it was Canada. My suspicion is that Hispanic Americans support uncontrolled Hispanic immigration because of ethnic allegiance. Not some lofty appreciation of immigration. If the issue was millions of white Canadians pouring over the northern border, you would not be here engaging on the topic.Did you know according to the census most Hispanics are White? Didn't think so bigot.

Hey, how 'bout that. Did you know that 56% of Mexicans told Gallup that southwest U.S. - where most Mexican immigrants have settled - rightfully belongs to Mexico? I never heard an English immigrant claim such a thing.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:31 AM (9KqcB)

606 I don't understand the point of Facebook or why people want to be on it. Knowing that it makes a lefty cockholster tons of money who will fund other lefties (Barry) makes me know I want no part of it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:20 AM (1Jaio)


Most of my "friends" are in-laws, nieces, and nephews mostly scattered around Nebraska and South Dakota.

I pretty much unfriended the kooks (both extremes), so I only see stuff from people I can tolerate.

Intolerable people (in my view) are those who say "all conservatives are liars and racists and have no compassion", and "everybody needs to stock up on guns and bullets because we need to defend our house when the communists come".

The former group tends to live in big cities, and the latter group tend to live in rural towns of < 1000 people. Neither viewpoint reflects reality or reason, IMO.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 11:31 AM (Qxe/p)

607 No. The demographics are against you. A GOP that appeals to the current
demographic is not a GOP that a conservative can feel comfortable in.
You don't own the media and you don't own the schools...so conservative values are slow to spread...if they can at all.



As for rebuilding after a crash...how long has Europe been crashing?



Best to tuck in for a while. Concentrate on local matters, family,
and faith. Move to a red state and support them against the Federal
Government. Help make the States strong.

Posted by: trainer can see the Atlantic from his house at November 09, 2012 11:31 AM (QbdUW)

608 If the Republicans cooperate in passing amnesty, its time to go third party or infiltrate the Democrats. It hardly matters anyway, because the GOP will never win another national election.

Its a suicide pact and no one should stick around for it.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 09, 2012 11:32 AM (A+/8k)

609 598 Radar,

Texas will be a swing state in 4 years and blue in 16 tops.

Pick your rally point and go.

My head says run north my contacts are in the Ark La tex.

I quit Ohio this week and will quit America as soon as able.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:32 AM (LRFds)

610

Boehner: Don't want to limit options on sequester. Revenue on the table -- and then he literally runs off stage.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 11:32 AM (kdS6q)

611 Where you been? I believe the Walmart guy even spoke at the DNC.

The Waltons donated $1M to Obama. They're not stupid -- economic depression be good for Walmart.

That also inoculated them against any DOJ or Dept of labor problems.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 11:32 AM (zucZS)

612 It WILL collapse...the only thing now is are you prepared?
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 11:11 AM (JWLqy)


Nobody really is beyond 6 months or so. To comfortably do it that long requires a rather large sum of money invested beforehand.

And what will it be like? I've lived in third-world jungle shitholes, S. Korean towns that hadn't seen a Marine since the Korean War (and no sewage), and way out in the middle of bumfuck Alaska in January for three months(it's a dry cold, much better). Hell, if I know what it would be like.

I live on a water source, border a National Forest with an outstanding deer population and all the (full-time) neighbors hunt. My dog is a much better hunter than I am. I'll bring back squirrel and he brings back (seriously) english muffins! He forgot the jelly though :-) Gotta work on that.

Guess I'll just pull out all my savings and hunker down for a while.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (SLg2R)

613 "When the going gets tough, the tough get going!"

Barack Obummer boarding AF1 to Asia

Posted by: Jerry Mander at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (feFL6)

614 608 Cool Breeze,

Yup....so pass amnesty and then start agitating for allowing juan Sanchez to take California home....

if that's legal so is red secession.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (LRFds)

615 @595

You have no idea what you are talking about, I know of no Puerto Rican that identifies as white, NONE

Puerto Ricans define themselves as Latinos, Tainos, Borinquen, Hispanics, etc.

They most certainly do not identify as white ass clown!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (06lNq)

616 Credit card companies flock to campuses (Campusi?) giving cards out, and they max the 5k out by X-mas. And all their "pre-pre-law" buds tell them just declare bankruptcy for that.7 year stat of limitations. 4 in school, at least 3 back w/mom...so they can still get credit when they make it to McManager!
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 09, 2012 11:23 AM (e7S3p)


Shove the pipe up your ass.What do credit cards have to do with making student loans?
Ifbankruptcy is restored for student loans the easy credit nonsense comes to a full stop and higher education deflates.Youremove asource of funding for the hard left and you pick up a lot of new voters. But no, lets blow Jamie Dimon and screw over a whole generation with debt slavery. You're one of the people who put the stupid in the Stupid Party.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (6BgmB)

617 Ok, please don't tell me the GOP will make the fatal mistake of "reforming" ACA. You do that enough times and people start to think "its not so bad anymore".

All or nothing.

I'm hearing Boehner talk about reform. And that "elections have consequence". You know what else had consequences? Legistlation. Let the Dems live with the consequences of there own Frankenstein monster.

Jesus! Stupid party, indeed.

I've been tepidly supportive of J. Boehner, but not anymore. We need to ditch his ass for a fighter. Not any fighter, but a smart fighter who knows how to fight strategically.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (UypUQ)

618 It's been fun beating up on the anti-Hispanic bigots on this site. This defeat maybe a blessing since now the Nativist wing of the GOP has been discredited. The Socons also having it coming. Fun times ahead.

The Republican Party will be saved from these loons and we will be a Party for all Americans!

See you around losers!

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (6Lik1)

619 we lose elections because we're realist and to many Americans are dickless wonders too afraid to face harsh realities

We lose elections because over half of us are either a Hector or a Julia. Contributing absolutely nothing, taking everything and then excreting the remains all over a road leading nowhere.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (vbh31)

620 604 @ 591 osu

You spoke to imaginary Mexicans. You run away when you see a Mexican. After all they are sub human to you and deserve to exist in your mind.
Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:31 AM (6Lik1)

You are a fucking idiot. You are just concerned about your blow jobs from your wife. I have more dealings with Mexicans than you ever will in your lifetime.

Posted by: osu at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (xR46S)

621 >>>We weren't blown out.

Sorry, he was the weakest candidate we are likely to face for decades. Any loss was a blowout.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 09, 2012 11:34 AM (OApiq)

622

which is why I said let corporations defend themselves when the unions attack them

Big Corporate is no friend of ours.

Target, Wal Mart, Verizon

fuck em

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 11:34 AM (VgTUv)

623 infiltrate the Democrats

Never work. How are you going to out Santa Claus, Santa Claus?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 11:34 AM (SLg2R)

624 A guy I know (and I give no details) has been hired as some sort of contractor by a company that is supposedly developing a product (software?) to sell to the various states to help them handle Obamacare. The software has sold, say to certain states (I'm aware of one and afraid to say) that are buying a product that I understand had not really even been produced, developed or even necessarily designed. I heard this news about amonth ago, and I wonder if the product is developed enough.

The one state seems to be under the impression that the product is developed and is awaiting instruction on how to use/implement it.

Scary.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 11:34 AM (W5c4e)

625 "Un-fucking believeable.

You want to deliberately target democrat voting rich people, while at the same time sparing the republican voting rich people? Just how the hell do you write a law like that? "

Design a tax code that penalizes you for living in a high-tax blue state. The AMT is a good start, but also generally get rid of the deductibility for state taxes. California will never vote for us - why are we trying to protect rich people in California who almost invariably vote against us?

Target the industries that rich Democrats - get rid of the tax breaks for media, for software development, for being a nonprofit organization. Why shouldn't Princeton University be paying its fair share of taxes - it is an incredibly wealthy institution? Besides, listening to Krugman scream would be quite amusing.

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 11:35 AM (QgAFR)

626 If I were TB, our once banned raging douchbag would be toast.

Just sayin'

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 11:35 AM (evdj2)

627
@619

yeah like i said dickless wonders

Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 11:35 AM (qEts0)

628 610 LDC,

would you like to have even the illusion we have a representative government or do you want obama to let people starve to get his Chavez on?

Take what you can get and then let the damage hit.

The rich betrayed the middle class this month so I'm done protecting the rich with my vote.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:35 AM (LRFds)

629 534 bluerose! Yes! Please say I can use that elsewhere! Dead on the money!

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 11:35 AM (6H6FZ)

630 With all this talk of Nazi camps, I think that Hector beats off to the Ilsa She Wolf of the SS movies all day and he just wants some to tell them that we'll toss him in a camp and Kommandant Ilsa will spank him for being a bad boy.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:35 AM (1Jaio)

631 Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 11:32 AM

Did you get the keys yet from Ace?

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 09, 2012 11:35 AM (SX6wc)

632 Move to a red state and support them against the Federal

Government. Help make the States strong.



Posted by: trainer can

If amnesty passes, deep red Texas will be blue in less than a generation.

There is almost nowhere safe to go.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 09, 2012 11:35 AM (A+/8k)

633 Boycott Comcast. Dump it. Roberts Family play Golf with Obama.

Comcast, Starbucks, Apple, Costco, Walmart, Disney. Fuck them all

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 11:36 AM (qh2M/)

634 Nativist Rascist Secessionist Nazi Mormon Zionist Marxist wingnuts want to put me in the death camps!!!

Posted by: Hector of Troy AKA The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:36 AM (/YJYi)

635 See you around losers!


Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (6Lik1)



He said as he looked in the mirror....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:36 AM (UOM48)

636 622 soothsayer,

absolutely which is why i said yesterday get land and learn to be self-reliant...fuck them starve the beast or burn it.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:36 AM (LRFds)

637 Did you know that 56% of Mexicans told Gallup that southwest U.S. -
where most Mexican immigrants have settled - rightfully belongs to
Mexico?


I see no real downside to giving southern CA, AZ and NM back to Mexico. We can make some deal where we're still allowed to use the naval bases, ports and such.

Burn it all down.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 11:36 AM (zucZS)

638 "Restore bankruptcyfor student loans. The 2000-2006 Republicans were sucking bankster cock when they turned student loans into lifetimedebt slavery. You'll lock up the 20-40 year old vote and defund the worst commies in the country, the college faculties, who have grown fat on inflated salaries funded by enslaving dumb kids with student loans that can't be discharged in bankruptcy. If we do that it will bring the price of an education down to a reasonable level and deny the left a source of funding.
If some banker wants to loan $200,000 for a womyn's studies degree let him eat the loss."

First-class idea.

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 11:37 AM (QgAFR)

639 613 General Woundwort

Hey you Nativist scum. Look what the census shows!

75% of Puerto Ricans describe their race as White.

http://tinyurl.com/zvafs

Check mate bigot!

I have to go now.

Bye Bye!

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:37 AM (TVbdM)

640 Sorry, he was the weakest candidate we are likely to face for decades. Any loss was a blowout.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 09, 2012 11:34 AM (OApiq)


He was/is also the most protected ever.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 11:37 AM (SLg2R)

641 We let in Europeans, they come from Socialist countries yet Nativists like you expect them to vote Republican?

I am pointing out the ignorance of your argument.


You go ahead and find where I said that.

I'll be here waiting on the edge of my seat.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 11:37 AM (XMaKL)

642 I'm hearing Boehner talk about reform. And that "elections have
consequence". You know what else had consequences? Legistlation. Let the
Dems live with the consequences of there own Frankenstein monster.


He was still saying "full repeal" as of yesterday, but there are limits.

It may be an unreasonably optimistic position, but Boehner has to proceed as if this is just a momentary set-back. If that's the case, he needs to work to make things as "not bad" as possible.

Of course, I'm on team "Let it burn" and leaning towards team "Nuke it from orbit."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:37 AM (/eBe8)

643 I'm planning on making a few people at Pinterest mad. I've created a board of liberal-supporting celebrities, brands, companies etc. that I'm boycotting. I'm not usually a boycott person (being a capitalist and all that), but I've decided it's one of the ways, if people would just get on board, that we can decrease the power of liberals and actually save some of our money just to survive the coming doom.

I began with DreamWorks this morning. I quit visiting Perez Hilton, haha. No more Jessica Alba (I know that's hard for you morons), not that I ever cared for her. I won't get the kids Sonic anymore. Stuff like that.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 11:37 AM (W5c4e)

644


Dear BenK,


The reason the right is selling out on immigration: the GOP can no longer be
the party of limited government. That ship has sailed. Our last chance was
Tuesday, to repeal Obamacare. Now, that is no longer possible. It starts in
earnest next year and full-fledged before the 2014 elections. It is a foregone conclusion
that it will be a disaster. But it is now the new third rail. Since it cannot be repeasled,the total capitulation of the government from a constitutional
rule of law to one of bureaucratic rules and regulations, with no redress of
agency overreach. The government has full control of our lives from cradle to
grave now.


The GOP is reduced to being the me-too party. Since the people voted for
free stuff, the GOP has to say, ok, here is our 'free stuff' pick us pick us,
but there will no longer be a line in the sand about how far the government can
go. It was crossed.


Game over.


Posted by: Trippy at November 09, 2012 11:38 AM (hafwJ)

645 We have 30 GOP governors. and they are not in New England or the Left Coast.

That would be a powerful block against the Marxist Government. Fuck you on Obamacare, come invade us . We dare you

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 11:38 AM (qh2M/)

646 If some banker wants to loan $200,000 for a womyn's studies degree let him eat the loss.

+100

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 11:38 AM (evdj2)

647 625 bread and circuses,

exactly....

and boehner will either do that as "he caves' or not....fuck 'em I've protected the rich democrat form his pet because of my beliefs.

No more unleash right wing populism too.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (LRFds)

648
Hector, weak shit hombre,go home and come back when you're feeling strong

Posted by: kj at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (qEts0)

649 Somehow after Amnesty the border will be secured? Then why not do it now?

Because we can't?

You're like the knight in Holy Grail with your limbs cut off threatening kick everyone's ass. I'd love to do it now. I want a damn fence. I want deportation. I also want to get rid of the Education Department and stop subsidizing singe parenthood. But I can't. Because even though I froze my ass off on election day working the polls, and spent the weeks leading up to as my township's GOP poll coordinator, my team lost.

We agree on border control, just not how to get there. Someone mentioned earlier a plan to delay amnesty - and mass deportations - for four years, but the end of which we will either have a secure border and a path to citizenship or we start shipping them home. Something like that. Sounds OK to me.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (9KqcB)

650 He was still saying "full repeal" as of yesterday, but there are limits.

It
may be an unreasonably optimistic position, but Boehner has to proceed
as if this is just a momentary set-back. If that's the case, he needs to
work to make things as "not bad" as possible.

Of course, I'm on team "Let it burn" and leaning towards team "Nuke it from orbit."


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:37 AM (/eBe

Full repeal? What I read he said was 'it's the law of the land now.' Where did you hear him say full repeal?

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (X6akg)

651 Not to get all into your personal life, friend in a box, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Fandom?


Please to be paying one internetz as fine for breaking Rule No. 1.

Fandom - a group of fans of something. TV show, movies, books, music, whatever. The other half of my internets life was for fannish stuff. I liked keeping those halves separate because the fun stuff had nothing to do with the more serious stuff. Well, the problem is that most of the people who were allegedly my friends there were hard core lefties who refused to maintain the same separation. Since they insisted on hauling politics into everything, I left. When I'm discussing stuff that I'm watching for the plot, I don't want to hear about how omfg H50 is so so horrible because it thinks the US military is a force for good. Fuck. That. Noise.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (VtjlW)

652 625 - the AMT should get nuked. If you want to limit deductions, fine, but if you think the AMT is mainly punishing rich Dems, you are terribly mistaken.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (2zM0P)

653 Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:29 AM (6Lik1)
___
You switched the argument from the Hispanics being "European" to now how they allegedly identify as white. No, they identify with their country of origin. You are wrong about the monolithic Hispanic culture, and you never answered my question about how many Puerto Ricans, or for that matter Mexicans, Colombians, or Dominicans, speak Castilian.

But please do go on and educate all of us about your vast worldly knowledge you have gained in your mother's basement.

*you did get me to think about my old PR boyfriend, his mom was Taino and his dad was Basque. So I was only half right about him being Euro.*

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (jm/9g)

654 Barack Obummer boarding AF1 to Asia

He won't have to look at all the starving and freezing people in NY and NJ that way.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (zucZS)

655 Wtf is Boner saying? I'm not watching that shit I am at work. But I'm seriously going libertarian or democrat if he continues to make a fucking idiot out of himself.

Obama didn't win cause of Sandy or disappearing voters, he won cause of John Boner and Bitch McConnell.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (Zzyhu)

656 Target the industries that rich Democrats - get rid of the tax breaks
for media, for software development, for being a nonprofit organization.
Why shouldn't Princeton University be paying its fair share of taxes -
it is an incredibly wealthy institution? Besides, listening to Krugman
scream would be quite amusing.


That what I was saying. Find their tax shelters and take them away. Don't make new taxes for a certain industry just because it's dominated by leftards. The system in the end has to be neutral, not vindictive.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (GQ8sn)

657 614 sven10077

You're an evil genius!

Posted by: cool breeze at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (A+/8k)

658 Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 11:37 AM (W5c4e)

Link?

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (IoNBC)

659 @608

There is no way to infiltrate the Democrats as that would mean doing it over time and trying to nudge them rightward.

They cannot be nudged rightward.

Any conservative trying to infiltrate would be fall in line over time.

Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (06lNq)

660 >>>It's been fun beating up on the anti-Hispanic bigots on this site.

If you wholesale import a population without an assimilation process you also wholesale import their politics. Maybe the rampant corruption of Mexico looks attractive to grifters but I'd rather avoid it, using a structured naturalization process .

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (gLXfE)

661 Hey, Hector the Troofer, don't let the door hit ya.

On second thought.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (UOM48)

662 Well, I *was* lounging comfortably in bed for a nice Friday off, until some D wench came on Fox News and said (paraphrasing, but not much) "we won, neener neener neener, you Rs need to do what we say".

Posted by: Anachronda needs MOAR CHOCOLATE at November 09, 2012 11:40 AM (1c58W)

663 The GOP is reduced to being the me-too party. Since the people voted for

free stuff, the GOP has to say, ok, here is our 'free stuff' pick us pick us,
----
GOP already tried free stuff - vouchers! vouchers! vouchers!

Posted by: RioBravo at November 09, 2012 11:41 AM (eEfYn)

664 We agree on border control, just not how to get there.

Don't make it worse with preemptive surrender. Vote no on any amnesty. Just vote no. If you can't move the status quo to the good, let it remain the status quo.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 11:41 AM (evdj2)

665 Sorry, he was the weakest candidate we are likely to face for decades. Any loss was a blowout.Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 09, 2012 11:34 AM (OApiq)He only appeared weak to those who can detect bullshit. We are a small minority. To everyone else he's MLK + FDR.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 09, 2012 11:41 AM (xXhWA)

666 637 PA,

precisely agitate Juan to do what he wants and then as he is doing it have the red states leave if inclined...

fuck them burn it down.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:41 AM (LRFds)

667 The problem with the GOP as it is right now is that it's too focused on excluding people from the party. If you're not religious, if you support gay marriage or if you're not ardently anti-abortion then you get treated like crap.

I'm all for a small government that is fiscally responsible and doesn't meddle in the lives of citizens. Right now, the GOP doesn't stand for either of those things.

Posted by: FPW at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (BDNF5)

668 Full repeal? What I read he said was 'it's the law of the land now.' Where did you hear him say full repeal?

Don't remember where I heard it, but he also tweeted it. The full quote was, "ObamaCare is the law of the land, but we remain committed to full repeal."

Again, that was yesterday, and we're talking about John Boehner, so it may have changed since then.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (/eBe8)

669 "I'm all for a path to citizenship through legal channels. I'm not for granting blanket amnesty to people here illegally. I know people on our side are going to claim people like me are overreacting and that there isn't a deal on the table. Great, you trust the same people who put forth comprehensive immigration reform. I'm not. You trust that the Democrats will negotiate in good faith. I'm not."

Jesus Christ, totally agree...this may be a good move, but we have some time before we have to do it. It looks fricking cynical to talk about now in the media.

Also, there are ways to do this that are not "all or nothing, right now"

I guess political shows have to go crazy or lose their viewers after elections.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (bH3Rb)

670 The optimistic establishment Republican is learning to speak Spanish.

The pessimistic establishment Republican is learning to speak Chinese.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (Jdtsu)

671 This talk of amnesty from the so called voices of the conservative movment scares me. Perhaps it isi time for a third party since the Repuboican party is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (Eq2MX)

672 Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 11:32 AM (zucZS)

I'm certain you know that walmart is making bank. Essentially they've become a bank. They remain open past midnight on the day the cards are activated by the federal government. They are very crowded with people using their money for the month to buy provisions for the month. It has to be very lucrative otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

Posted by: Caustic at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (/b8+5)

673 Please to be paying one internetz as fine for breaking Rule No. 1.



Fandom - a group of fans of something. TV show, movies, books,
music, whatever. The other half of my internets life was for fannish
stuff. I liked keeping those halves separate because the fun stuff had
nothing to do with the more serious stuff. Well, the problem is that
most of the people who were allegedly my friends there were hard core
lefties who refused to maintain the same separation. Since they
insisted on hauling politics into everything, I left. When I'm
discussing stuff that I'm watching for the plot, I don't want to hear
about how omfg H50 is so so horrible because it thinks the US military
is a force for good. Fuck. That. Noise.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (VtjlW)


Oh, I knew the definition of Fandom. I was curious about you personally and Fandom. I def understand keeping separate parts of your life...you know...separate. Sorry all that crap happened to you. But you know, we're the ones who are hateful and intolerant and prejudicial, so really it must be somehow your fault.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (da5Wo)

674 whoa whoa.....Sonic is commie? GODDAMMIT! My bloodstream is approximately 18% cherry limeades.

Posted by: radar at November 09, 2012 11:43 AM (zmlwq)

675
Why am I so small?

Posted by: Hector's Johnson at November 09, 2012 11:43 AM (PHb2k)

676 664 Toby,

why?

You're just increasing the amount of time the tumor festers.

They that will get it want secession anyway as a goal I for one will laugh my ass off when my "crossover" Obama backing bitch sister in law is a Mexican citizen by 2020.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:43 AM (LRFds)

677 It's been fun beating up on the anti-Hispanic criminal-migrant bigots on this site.

Fixed.

God forbid a Republican show respect for the rule of law!

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 11:43 AM (XMaKL)

678 Self-censor #27, and counting.

Posted by: nip at November 09, 2012 11:43 AM (11Tdq)

679
pffft....I'm smaller.

Posted by: Hector's Brain at November 09, 2012 11:44 AM (PHb2k)

680 The U.S. census asks people to self-identify their race. There are five categories from which one can choose: white, black, Asian, native American, and Pacific Islander.

According to the census, "Hispanic" is not a race. It's an ethnicity, and they let people specify ethnicity if they want to do so, but everybody has to choose one of those races.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 11:44 AM (TOk1P)

681 If only his johnson was as large as me!

Posted by: Hector's Ego at November 09, 2012 11:44 AM (/YJYi)

682 If Republicans support amnesty, then put a fork in them.

Posted by: Invictus at November 09, 2012 11:44 AM (OQpzc)

683 638 - I don't think bank are even involved in most student loans these days. I think the federal government has stepped into their shoes. At least that is what Obama tells me. Oh, and the rates are double now from when I graduated in the mid 1990's - even though interest rates are at historic lows.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:44 AM (2zM0P)

684 Hector had to run off to Home Depot.....to stand outside waiting for work.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (UOM48)

685 fuck them burn it down.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:41 AM (LRFds)


I actively refuse to apply a torch to anything.
I also actively refuse to join water brigades.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (Qxe/p)

686
679

pffft....I'm smaller.


Posted by: Hector's Brain at November 09, 2012 11:44 AM (PHb2k)



Bitch please.

Posted by: Hector's soul at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (da5Wo)

687 "Restore bankruptcyfor student loans. The 2000-2006 Republicans were
sucking bankster cock when they turned student loans into lifetimedebt
slavery. You'll lock up the 20-40 year old vote and defund the worst
commies in the country, the college faculties, who have grown fat on
inflated salaries funded by enslaving dumb kids with student loans that
can't be discharged in bankruptcy. If we do that it will bring the price
of an education down to a reasonable level and deny the left a source
of funding.

If some banker wants to loan $200,000 for a womyn's studies degree let him eat the loss."


I'll add in something that Glenn Reynolds from Insty said:

If a student defaults, after taking a loan, the school is on the hook for 25% of that loan.

That will clean up the loaning spree reeeeeeeeeal fast.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (GQ8sn)

688 I was curious about you personally and Fandom.


Yeah. No. The Horde and my fandom life never ever need to meet.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (VtjlW)

689
We keep walking in circles.

Posted by: Hector's two leftist feet at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (PHb2k)

690 "the AMT should get nuked. If you want to limit deductions, fine, but if you think the AMT is mainly punishing rich Dems, you are terribly mistaken."

Sorry, but that's not true. It's very hard to hit the AMT if you live in a state with no income tax, for example. It is, in the main, the AMT is a tax on people living in blue high-tax states, and is therefore politically desirable.

Actually, the AMT has a lot in common with Romney's proposal to cap your number of deductions - and I think that limiting the number of deductions in the tax code is a good thing, even if it means I can't get a big tax break for putting solar panels on my roof...

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (QgAFR)

691 @ 585

"Why spend energy trying to prop up a system is about to collapse? You
know it, you can see it. Why continue to support it? It will be more
painful to help sustain it, than to let it fall quickly and rebuild."

THIS.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 09, 2012 11:46 AM (zpqa2)

692 I have an idea: open borders for anyone who (i) speaks english, (ii) passes a civics test, and (iii) signs a document that bans them from receiving any entitlements (no medicare, social security, welfare, etc).

Posted by: mr.midnight at November 09, 2012 11:46 AM (Kv/xV)

693 jwb7605 I bet those people whose property is being looted now wish they would have stocked up on guns and ammo. Unfortunately the communists who run their state didn't allow them.

Posted by: Bush at November 09, 2012 11:46 AM (RM1gx)

694 682 invictus,

why so mad bro?

Barry will pass it with his right hand. If we pass it in some form and control where it leads we can gain back freedom and start over.

Wreck the Socialists or get fucked by them your choice.

the Media enabled a guy to shit on a quadrillion dollar wealth reserve we have.

Fuck it let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:46 AM (LRFds)

695 Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (jm/9g)

Absurd. When most people walk through Miami these days, they say "My, look at all the white people."

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:46 AM (9KqcB)

696
Give the commies whatever they want! Lets go FULL RETARD!!!


Maybe Romney spent all his time fighting Obama instead of socialism because he didn't have enough examples to point to.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 09, 2012 11:47 AM (xXhWA)

697 "Too many Republicans are ignorant and don't realize Hispanics come from a
European culture. If the illegals were from Ireland or England, these
people would be fighting for amnesty."

Bullshit.

(I have ancestors from both Ireland and England.)


Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 11:47 AM (ymG7s)

698 At least I'm stretched out.

Posted by: Hector's Spincter at November 09, 2012 11:47 AM (evdj2)

699 I have no fear of fighting the monster and becoming a monster.

...and I have already gazed into the abyss and the abyss gazed back into me. I'm still here, fuckers!


Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 11:47 AM (6H6FZ)

700 Good luck with your boycotts. Let me know how that goes.

Meanwhile, liberal films continue to generate massive revenue. Conservatives waste away in obscurity while crying BAN HOLLYWOOD. The world LOLs.

You guys are brilliant political strategists I'll give you that. Let's isolate ourselves until the other side has total control! Get your guns! Secede! lol.

On tuesday i felt bad for us cons, today i feel nothing but contempt.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 11:47 AM (/g5vp)

701 692 Mr. Midnight,

why not?

It is not as though there is anything left of the United States as the founders rendered to protect.

King putt has a magic pen now.

Abolish INS as part of the amnesty deal....burn it all and start over.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:47 AM (LRFds)

702 I've got carpet burns and am sore. Guess why.

Posted by: Hector's Knees at November 09, 2012 11:48 AM (/YJYi)

703 @639

Holy shit you unleashed wikipedia on me I am truly undone.

Ok Einstein, go to NYC, go to the Bronx, go to the the corner of Kingsbridge and Jerome avenue or better yet got to East Tremont and Westfarms, stop at a Cuchifrito which is a store in which typical Puerto Rican foods are sold and ask them if they consider themselves white fuck face. Go ahead. After they get done spiting in your face their answers are going to come as quite the surprise to you.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 11:48 AM (06lNq)

704 Yeah. No. The Horde and my fandom life never ever need to meet.





Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (VtjlW)


Lmao. Understood. The Horde is.....The Horde. I've got lots of conservative friends, I haven't told a one of them about this place. They wouldn't get it. I can't even really explain it to the wife. Although she gets a laugh out of all the cheerleader pics.

Posted by: Hector's soul at November 09, 2012 11:48 AM (da5Wo)

705 Preznit Barky McFlightJacket is off to Cambodia.....to check out golf courses.

I'm predicting we're going to see more surliness out of this douche the next four years than the last.

And more lavish, in-your-face vacations.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:48 AM (UOM48)

706 You and I know you were referring to BLACK
preachers, the only type libs associate with at election time. If they
re so boring, then why do pols imitate them? Posted by: Baldy

You are confusing cause and effect.

Charisma is not the sole property of religion. A preacher can be charismatic. A politician can be charismatic. Being a preacher does not automatically make you charismatic, dumbass.

What you are trying to do here is hide what happened. We did not nominate a charismatic conservative. We nominated a man who had the big three strikes against him:

He was a preacher, and not a member of the congregation. Strike one.

He was a polished corporate type: Strike two.

He was a party apparatchik, and not really charismatic: Strike three.


We listened to the religious crowd. We listened to the corporate crowd. We listened to the party 'crats. We lost.

We Republicans own this loss. Not the voters. Until we man up and tell the Preachers, the money folks, and the party boss wannabes to fuck off and die, and we start nominating folks like Reagan, the Democrats will be the ones who win, and get to go home a screw the prom queen.

If you want to be pure instead of a winner, do us a favor, and go somewhere else.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 11:48 AM (wYVte)

707 If I were Speaker of the House, I would, among other things, do an analysis of the provisions of the tax code that favor billionaire loud mouths like Warren Buffett and George Lucas. I would agree to no tax on the "middle class" if all of those provisions were eliminated. I would do it this Congress and make the law retroactive. Remember, under Bill Clinton, the tax hikes were said to be retroactive.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 09, 2012 11:48 AM (qwK3S)

708
That "full repeal" was spin from Boehner's press guy after the interview was released. Horse's mouth:

DIANE SAWYER: A couple of other questions about the agenda now. You had said next year that you would repeal the health care vote? That still your mission?

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: Well I think the election changes that. It’s pretty clear that the President was re-elected, Obamacare is the law of the land. I think there are parts of the health care law that are going to be very difficult to implement and very expensive and at a time when we’re trying to find a way to create a path toward a balanced budget, everything has to be on the table.

DIANE SAWYER: But you won’t be spending the time next year trying to repeal Obamacare?

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: There are certainly maybe parts of it that we believe need to be changed – we may do that, no decisions at this point.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (kdS6q)

709 700 WH Dounter,

and I feel a sense of passing a pound of shit when I think of you.

You empowered a sack of shit that hangs with domestic terrorists and now are butthurt we're gonna make the 60s and 70s look like leave it to beaver


Fuck you hypocrit.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (LRFds)

710 Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:45 AM (GQ8sn)


I'll add that the Pell Grant and Stafford Loan programs need to be modified so they ONLY apply to students with a major in a Business or STEM degree. No English degrees, no History degrees (which would hurt be, because if I bother to complete my degree, I want a History degree), no Education majors. Nope. Business and STEM. That's it.

"We'll help fund a degree that is likely to land you a job. We will not help fund a degree that is likely not to."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (/eBe8)

711 It's been fun beating up on the anti-Hispanic bigots
on this site.


Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:33 AM (6Lik1)



French Army 1940: It's been fun beating the German Army wait...what?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (1Jaio)

712 693 jwb7605 I bet those people whose property is being looted now wish they would have stocked up on guns and ammo. Unfortunately the communists who run their state didn't allow them.

Posted by: Bush at November 09, 2012 11:46 AM (RM1gx)


Totally agree.
The ones who live in the small towns (1000 - 2000 people) don't need that many.

Personally, I own just enough firepower to defend against looters.
No amount of additional firepower would save me from a horde.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (Qxe/p)

713 . No, they identify with their country of origin.

Absolutely. One of my friends is a Spaniard, actual, from Spain. His disdain for the illegals is pretty strong...of course he came in through the front door path to citizenship.

The Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc all very much group them selves in nation of origin related enclaves here in south FL. The "hispanics" are about as monolithic as the Democrat party. The internecine rivalries sometimes get pretty bloody.

"blacks" aren't monolithic either. There's quite a difference in culture and outlook between islanders, African and long established CONUS blacks.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (zucZS)

714 We are planning expensive vacations! Thanks suckers!

Posted by: Malia in DC at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (ypzqs)

715 On tuesday i felt bad for us cons, today i feel nothing but contempt.

And yet you just can't quit us. I laugh in your general direction.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 11:50 AM (evdj2)

716 I have a big mortgage, two car loans, and two student loans. I'm using their money and paying it back with increasingly worthless money. It's like a discount. Plus if it all falls down, I win!

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 09, 2012 11:50 AM (zpqa2)

717 Concerning Sonic. . .

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/all_summary.php?id=D000037669&nid=16036

And also, apparently one of their directors, Federico Pena was part of the Clinton Administration.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 11:50 AM (W5c4e)

718 690 - again, as someone who has lived his entire life in blue states (NJ and PA), I can tell you most of the people here getting hit with the AMT are Republicans. Most of the "rich counties" in NJ and PA are red counties. The AMT is outdated, tax reform needs to be pushed through that eliminates the AMT, removes/limits certain deductions, and lowers marginal tax rates.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:50 AM (2zM0P)

719 screw the prom queen us.

Great rant, just a quick edit.

Posted by: jakeman at November 09, 2012 11:51 AM (96M6e)

720 699 surferdoc,

What monster we're all monsters now.

A guy who hangs with a guy that wanted 25 million Republicans dead just got reelected.

That is now "noble" so I'll be as noble as Barry in the other direction.

I have Pat Buchanan types I shunned b/c he was racist in my eyes I need to look up.

Unleash our beasts.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:51 AM (LRFds)

721 French Army 1940: It's been fun beating the German Army wait...what?


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (1Jaio)


It was fun beating the Soviets at Stalingrad too.

Posted by: Paulus at November 09, 2012 11:51 AM (/YJYi)

722 On tuesday i felt bad for us cons, today i feel nothing but contempt.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 11:47 AM (/g5vp)



Us cons? My my my someone's got his tampons in a twist. You can always console yourself by blowing Hector. If there's anything to blow that is

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:51 AM (1Jaio)

723 In my opinion, the GOP should set up affiliated outreach centers in Hispanic neighborhoods to give them help with language, understanding of civics, American customs, and such. We cannot win these people if we are going to do nothing but demonize them. And they WILL be made citizens. Probably before the midterm elections.
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 09, 2012 10:22 AM (GoIUi)

How many times does this need to be said:

They are here for free shit. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The party who's message is 'we want to teach a man to fish' will always lose to the party of 'here are unlimited free fish with no effort'.

Mankind, as a whole, are lazy. They want things as easy as possible. What is easier than having a check depositing in your bank account from some faceless source while you sit at home and do whatever you want to.

It's about free shit. That's what it has always been about.

Posted by: blindside at November 09, 2012 11:51 AM (x7g7t)

724 I hear ya, AtC. Years ago I retired my old Internet handle and split into several that I use in various places with great compartmentalization, for that very reason. Traces of the old still turn up (Twitter has one, if you look for it), but they don't connect.

And yeah, Ace's place is where my id feels most comfy these days. Naturally, I don't point anyone here that doesn't already know the deal, 'cause, well, pudding and all. It ain't for everyone. But here I stay.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 09, 2012 11:51 AM (GBXon)

725 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (kdS6q)


Aahhh... crap.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:52 AM (/eBe8)

726 And also, apparently one of their directors, Federico Pena was part of the Clinton Administration.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 11:50 AM (W5c4e)


He was quite possibly the most corrupt mayor that the city of Denver ever saw.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 11:52 AM (Qxe/p)

727 There is a saying..you can't get ther from here.

I'll tell you, YES you can, but ONLY one way, and one way ONLY.

How did we get here w/ "business men" running the show??

All that time, money, effort, and resources went to nothing. WHY??

Would you REALLY run your business that way??

Posted by: cold at November 09, 2012 11:52 AM (q1RJB)

728 On tuesday i felt bad for us cons, today i feel nothing but contempt.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 11:47 AM (/g5vp)

You're free to leave anytime....

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 11:52 AM (X6akg)

729 718 tofer,

yeah well about the poor blue state GOPers....

fuck 'em burn it all repeal the Bush tax cuts no more AMT "fixes" let Uncle Teddy's temper tantrum ruin folk...

burn it down

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:52 AM (LRFds)

730 I'll add that the Pell Grant and Stafford Loan
programs need to be modified so they ONLY apply to students with a major
in a Business or STEM degree. No English degrees, no History degrees
(which would hurt be, because if I bother to complete my degree, I want a
History degree), no Education majors. Nope. Business and STEM. That's
it.

"We'll help fund a degree that is likely to land you a job. We will not help fund a degree that is likely not to."


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (/eBe

I read somewhere the Chinese gov is doing this. They are targeting only certain industries as viable future occupations and offer incentives to students.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:52 AM (GQ8sn)

731 Allen West on Beck now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:53 AM (UOM48)

732 Well, my biggest hope is that there won't be much left for all these "hope and change" desperates at the end of the next four years. Yes, some of us (including myself will be worse off too), but maybe they'll see that what they want just isn't possible under the sort of government they seem to think will work for them. I guess misery loves company.

I'm also beginning to think I might have to go back into education or become a big time supporter of charter schools. Really, something is going on there where parents are regaining control. At least here in pockets of NC. The NAACP is hating it.

I'm in this for the longhaul. I've committed myself to raising my kids differently than the rest of society, and I'm hoping they will become leaders if that's where God will take them.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 11:54 AM (W5c4e)

733 Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 11:44 AM (2zM0P)

The rates are very high. Many graduate and are shocked at the amount of loans with the interest. The other day someone told me the interest is now compounded interest and they get their money "no matter what, by any means necessary". The person can't find a job. They are on forbearance, however, the interest keeps accruing. The person said you pay them the interest first, then your loan principle. The person was profoundly depressed. They graduated over a year ago. With a degree where they should have been hired quickly. They haven't and their friends in their major haven't been hired either. They began checking if people at other institutions have been hired, they were happy and sad to hear that no, they too could not find a job.

This is a huge problem. Not only is it an enormous bubble but it was one of those issues gossiped about before the election. On the one hand the gossip campaign says that the student loans will be forgiven (if you vote for obama) but, on the other hand, their practical experience with those administrating their loans has been horrendous at best. It confused them but they felt Romney would make them "debt slaves" cause he was a "corporate raider" so they chose what was in their mind "the lesser of two evils".

All the gossipy stuff spewed on the internet is what lost Romney the election. It made people doubt him and they opted for the devil they knew. Had he known this was occurring maybe he could have addressed it but it seems he decided ten to fourteen days before the election just to lose.

Posted by: Caustic at November 09, 2012 11:54 AM (/b8+5)

734 The Boner School of negotiations:

Boner: ok we are open to tax deduction modifications and talking to you about comprehensive immigration reform.

Obama: not paying attention on a jet to Asia

Boner: ok ok what about tax increases and possible amnesty?

Obama: banging his ugly fucking wife

Boner: sob ok tax increases on the wealthy and amnesty for all? How does that sound.


Until we ditch this crying fuck and bitch McConnell there is no use voting GOP. Maybe the fucks that sat out where right.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 11:54 AM (Zzyhu)

735 Barack Obummer boarding AF1 to Asia

He won't have to look at all the starving and freezing people in NY and NJ that way.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 11:39 AM (zucZS)



You mean the photo op didn't fix anything? How can that be? He looked sooooooo presidential. At least Krispy Kreme has lots of blubber to stay warm

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 11:55 AM (1Jaio)

736 I'm all for a small government that is fiscally responsible and doesn't meddle in the lives of citizens. Right now, the GOP doesn't stand for either of those things.

Posted by: FPW at November 09, 2012 11:42 AM (BDNF5)


Get out in the real world. Go join your local GOP committee and tell me that people like you aren't welcome. It's not true.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:56 AM (9KqcB)

737 I simply say "no" on amnesty. I will not be swayed by political concerns, nor do I grant others the right to say their economic needs trump mine, or that I must change the existing national culture simply because they are now here--especially since they are now here illegally.

I do not expect any of this to carry the day. I just say that I will not consent to this.

Libertatem Resurgit

Posted by: A. at November 09, 2012 11:56 AM (109zo)

738 Fuck it let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:46 AM (LRFds)

Death before dishonor, Sven. I'm tired of backing up. If the Rs want a negotiated peace, fuck them.

Posted by: Invictus at November 09, 2012 11:56 AM (OQpzc)

739 I read somewhere the Chinese gov is doing this. They are targeting only
certain industries as viable future occupations and offer incentives to
students.


The Chinese may be evil Communist cock-suckers, but they're not *stupid.*

Honestly, it only makes sense to see what somone's "collateral" for a loan will be.

Try to buy a 1988 Ford F-150 and see if the bank will even lend you the money. Even if they do, they'll only loan you what they think the vehicle is worth, not the $60,000 you want.

Banks should already be doing this with college loans. You make loans in line with what you expect (reasonably) to get paid back.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:56 AM (/eBe8)

740 Lol. Beck trying to get West to call Christie a fat bastard.

Heh. West wouldn't go there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 11:56 AM (UOM48)

741 Oh now youre implying i voted for obama. More deflection and denialism.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 11:57 AM (PVNda)

742
AoS, you are a national treasure, for your post on ORCA. It seems like everybody was panicking, and ready to sign away the store, but you got to the bottom of it, and it sounds like the word is getting around.

We had a couple of fluky things go wrong (Sandy and ORCA) that cost the election. But Sandy is a side-issue of the real problem - the media.

The media is completely out of control. This time they went way beyond bias, and straight into full-out propaganda, including libel. The level of perfection you need to combat that kind of massive propaganda machine is too great. Romney was so squeeky-clean and mistake-freethat they literally had to start calling things he said "gaffes" that weren't even gaffes.

The media candy-coated and buried anything damaging to Obama - which was a HUGE job.

So stop crying about demographics, principles, and message. The Socialists learn to excel at propaganda and campaign tactics because THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE.Few would buy what they are selling, believe it or not, if they really knew what it was. That's why they hide even the fact that they are socialists.

Instead, we need to fix things like ORCA, and focus on new ways to break through the REAL firewall - the media.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 09, 2012 11:57 AM (Mxt9o)

743 Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 11:54 AM (Zzyhu)

Yes....Bohner's bed wetting is horrible. Nothing ever sticks to Obama because we just can not negotiate. All Boehner had to do was say "yes, the President won....we look forward to receiving HIS proposals to address our problems in the very near future and promise to look at them with an open mind."

Obama never has a plan -- he only has ideas. Other people have to come up with a plan.

That is why nothing ever sticks to him.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 11:57 AM (OWjjx)

744 This thread smells. We need a new one. Besides, Sven needs new material so he can get his comment count back up over 1500.

Posted by: Hector's soul at November 09, 2012 11:57 AM (da5Wo)

745 So can we pick a Republican governor right now, and get behind him/her for 2016, and tell the establishment types to fuck off? Unless we can, nothing will change in 2016. We'll have another suicidal primary season full of SoCon nutjobs and corporate types.


I'm down with Susana Martinez. Of all the speakers at the RNC convention this year, she blew me away with her authenticity, sharp rhetoric, and good cheer. A winning combination from a state we need to win back. I think she was the "Barack Obama 2004" of the Party this year.

Posted by: rockmom at November 09, 2012 11:58 AM (qe2/V)

746 Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 11:49 AM (zucZS)
___
Pew did a survey back in April, 51% of the respondents say they identify with country of origin, only 24% said they identify as Hispanic. There are so many differences in culture between the Spanish speaking populations of the world.

Hector is just a troll.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 11:58 AM (jm/9g)

747 737 A,

A is A brother, and we lost.

I agree but I'm telling you in giving Obama everything he wants the system will get a lot more honest a lot quick and people will either be repelled or rebel.

No more saving the house by burning down mine.

Burn it down.

I and mine will try to survive and help those I choose I will make myself as useful to those who aid me as I can and i will endure.

The Free Shit Army can try to figure out how to shake down folks who decide to not have enough to shake down on their own.

I promise you i will look a lot poorer in six years by choice regardless.

Fuck the big business world.

Let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:59 AM (LRFds)

748 Can we hope to be past the Airing of Grievances here by next Monday? I'm ready for the Feats of Strength.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 11:59 AM (evdj2)

749
screw the prom queen us.

Great rant, just a quick edit.


Posted by: jakeman



Thanx for the needed correction.

Seriously, though, we did this to ourselves. We had the biggest socialist jackass leftist in history to run against, and we couldn't find someone who could motivate the 53% who work for a living to vote against him.

We own this loss. Lets pull our heads out of our asses, and find another Reagan to run for office in 2016.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 11:59 AM (wYVte)

750 The Chinese may be evil Communist cock-suckers, but they're not *stupid.*

Honestly, it only makes sense to see what somone's "collateral" for a loan will be.

Try
to buy a 1988 Ford F-150 and see if the bank will even lend you the
money. Even if they do, they'll only loan you what they think the
vehicle is worth, not the $60,000 you want.

Banks should already be doing this with college loans. You make loans in line with what you expect (reasonably) to get paid back.


Yes, they do have some common sense.

My stepson bought a used 1988 Ford Ranger as his first car. $600. Patched it up himself after pouring through manuals and guidebooks. Very proud of that fact and told that story to everyone he met.

That student loan bubble will burst in the next four years. There's no way it can go on.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 11:59 AM (GQ8sn)

751 Why would anyone want to go to college? Four years of hard work to graduate into a Partime, Minimum wage job? The present people holding the good jobs (Older folks with experience) are not leaving anytime soon. So, the young graduating college have a degree, but no experience. So it looks like the next generation is doomed to be part timers with a college degree and huge debt. They cannot get a job to get experience, but you have to have experience to get a good job? Endless loop with no exit.....The young have been screwed by their parents and don't know it yet....... Suckas....

Posted by: Wall_E at November 09, 2012 11:59 AM (48wze)

752 It was fun beating the Soviets at Stalingrad too.


Posted by: Paulus

Well Friedrich, if you'd have moved your ass a little faster in July, you could have taken S-grad w/o much of a fight. But you dithered because you didn't understand or appreciate the new (modern) way of warfighting with fast-moving vehicles and mass pincer tactics. Gee, kinda like the GOP.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 11:59 AM (dZ756)

753 Conservatives waste away in obscurity while crying BAN HOLLYWOOD

SOMEONE has watched a little too much Glee.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:00 PM (9KqcB)

754 Damn. I'll never learn.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 12:00 PM (da5Wo)

755 Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (LRFds)

Just saying, they are likely to still hold the reins of power.

Posted by: KG at November 09, 2012 12:01 PM (p7BzH)

756 745 So can we pick a Republican governor right now, and get behind him/her for 2016, and tell the establishment types to fuck off? Unless we can, nothing will change in 2016. We'll have another suicidal primary season full of SoCon nutjobs and corporate types.


I'm down with Susana Martinez. Of all the speakers at the RNC convention this year, she blew me away with her authenticity, sharp rhetoric, and good cheer. A winning combination from a state we need to win back. I think she was the "Barack Obama 2004" of the Party this year.

Posted by: rockmom at November 09, 2012 11:58 AM (qe2/V)


My dream election would be a female at the top of each ticket, and a black as the VP nominee of each ticket.

I simply cannot envision the extent of schadenfreude that would generate for both groups.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 12:01 PM (Qxe/p)

757 Christ. Some of my Liberal family members on Facebook have become truly unhinged hatemongers. I'm a passive person who rarely expresses my politics to family, and did nothing to provoke such hate. The vulgar name-calling from close family I used to respect and love. I totally understand the Civil War now, and how brother fought against brother.
Time for another infinite sabbatical from Facebook. Also not attending Thanksgiving or Christmas.

I solved that. I'm a believer in the Obama "get in their faces" approach. Last Thanksgiving, one of my idiot BILs showed up for the feast. When he got to me, he took my hand and said "Happy Thanksgiving." I held on to his hand and said (paraphrasing) "They’re all a bunch of fat, inbred redneck fucks who hate a black man in the White House. They wish they’d won the Civil War so all the darkies were back in the fields picking cotton, where they belong.”
“What?”
he said.
“Youu posted that on Facebook. And since I’m a Republican, I thought I’d give you a chance to ask me to my face how I like fucking my sister, asshole.”

Then I let go of his hand and walked out. I heard the rest of the day was very uncomfortable over there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 12:01 PM (zF6Iw)

758 744 hector's soul,

No I don't think so....

I'm here, alive and saying I will endure.

I'm not arguing any more and I'm not swaying I said I was pulling the fade and I did, and I'm telling you as soon as I can I will again.

We lost the fight boys saving the SS America our damage control finally got overwhelmed, I suggest hitting a raft or learning to swim or breathe water.

We're likely to have Barack Chavez w/in a year.

I love most of you, I hope you survive.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:01 PM (LRFds)

759 Pew did a survey back in April, 51% of the respondents say they identify
with country of origin, only 24% said they identify as Hispanic. There
are so many differences in culture between the Spanish speaking
populations of the world.


I knew a Spanish student back in college. He was from Spain Spain. He absolutely hated Mexicans, Central and South Americans like they were the scum of the earth. He once almost got into a fist fight in the middle of the common room because he said something along the lines of "don't try to speak Spanish, I'm the real Spanish here!"

RACE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:02 PM (GQ8sn)

760 The difference entre Obama and Carter?

The media.

It's that simple.

Getting past that?

Not simple.

Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:02 PM (r2PLg)

761 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 11:25 AM (/eBe

Yea, I don't think that's gonna happen... I don't think it'll be total collapse. Far more likely some huge ass international war gonna get started before then...

Posted by: KG at November 09, 2012 12:02 PM (p7BzH)

762 "How does it make sense to legalize a group of people who voted overwhelmingly Democrat?"

Day late, dollar short.
We miss the boat and stand on some imagined moral high ground minor social issues, progressive liberals will fabricate crises from them and shove fiscal devastation down America's throat in order to Fundamentally Change America.

Should have picked the right battles years ago. Freedom and fiscal conservatism (frugality)are not mutually exclusive. Unless we allow the progressive liberals to own freedom.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 09, 2012 12:03 PM (gMONh)

763 Immigration sellout isn't enough. Let's change all of our platform while we're about it. Maybe we can nominate Jon Stewart or Bill Maher to run as our Republican presidential candidate. If we support abortion, sodomy, gun control, higher taxes, more regulation, and free sh!t for everybody, then we can finally split the vote evenly with Democrats. That will be a giant step Forward! Lena Dunham, Madonna, Harry Belafonte for Republican Senate office; it can't miss! Let's have a "Piss On The Founding Fathers Contest." All the young hip kids will sign up for that.

Posted by: gp at November 09, 2012 12:03 PM (mk9aG)

764 I'm down with Susana Martinez.

Must... resist... standard... Moron... response....

I don't really know anything about her.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:03 PM (/eBe8)

765 MORMON VOTE IN 2004: GWB GOT 80%

MITT ROMNEY GOT 78%


W
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Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 12:03 PM (TDbSH)

766 155 ...Florida and Ohio ... don’t require photo ID

=========
That's not true: Florida requires a photo ID to vote.

Posted by: edj at November 09, 2012 12:04 PM (+QKfp)

767 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 12:01 PM (zF6Iw)

Woah. That's awesome.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 12:04 PM (IoNBC)

768 Can we hope to be past the Airing of Grievances here by next Monday? I'm ready for the Feats of Strength.

Here, here!

I'm ready for all the new posts showing the Feats of Boobeh Strength!

"Look at how those tits are about to break the straps on that bra!!!!!"

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:04 PM (GQ8sn)

769 Run this back through the images of your mind--


Biden laughing , giggling as he lied about how he voted for two wars.

Ryan--trying to find answer, tying to tell the American public there is still time to save yourselves.

Media --Biden won.

Biden won.

Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:04 PM (r2PLg)

770 I am so sick of hearing that Hispanics are "naturally conservative" or naturally socialist (because Spain). Being Hispanic makes me naturally have a nice ass and a need to pluck my eyebrows more often and that's about it. Likewise, Irish Americans are naturally predisposed to sunburn, not political affiliation, and Greek Americans are naturally predisposed to using Windex (hey I saw it an a movie, can't be wrong) not socialism.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 09, 2012 12:04 PM (IPG9V)

771 And by the way, every time a Republican verbally vomits junk science like vaccines cause retardation or magic VJs that repel legitimate rape sperm they undermine real Republican scientific arguments.
I wish Republicans wouldn't get as hysterical over pro-life issues as the Dems do. There *is* science for what Akin said but Republicans couldn't run away from himfast enough... The Party of Ideas, my a**. Check my signature for a reasoned rebuttal to the hysteria about Akin.

Posted by: Lynne at November 09, 2012 12:05 PM (+Uv5V)

772 For the chairman and chief executive of Murray Energy, an Ohio-based
coal company, the reelection of President Obama was no cause for
celebration. It was a time for prayer – and layoffs.

Robert E. Murray read a prayer to a group of company staff
members on the day after the election, lamenting the direction of the
country and asking: “Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in
Murray Energy Corp. for the decisions that we are now forced to make to
preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have
helped us build.”




http://tinyurl.com/b68a57u

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 12:05 PM (X6akg)

773 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 12:01 PM (zF6Iw)

I'm with you. My in laws are all donks. They are also all Catholic. I am not. My plan this year: I am going to announce that I am going to start receiving communion at the masses I go to. This will shock them and they will start screaming about the fact that I am neither Catholic or baptised. I will point out that since they all voted for Pro-Abortion Obama and that the Church does not believe in that, it is clear that the only pre-requisite to receive communion is putting cash in the coffers, and I am the one that writes the check.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:05 PM (OWjjx)

774 765 MORMON VOTE IN 2004: GWB GOT 80%

MITT ROMNEY GOT 78%


W
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Posted by: bigpale at November 09, 2012 12:03 PM (TDbSH)

________________

Seriously?

Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:05 PM (r2PLg)

775 Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:02 PM (r2PLg)

I disagree. I think liberals had 100% control of all media back then.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:06 PM (9KqcB)

776 Being Hispanic makes me naturally have a nice ass

Pics?

Also- see my earlier post (I think it was in this thread): Everyone is "naturally socialist." Humans are naturally selfish and lazy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:06 PM (/eBe8)

777
Why would anyone want to go to college?
Posted by: Wall_E




Four-- let's be realistic -- six years as an undergrad, two on a Master's, all financed by someone else. Student aid takes care of the bills, and if you manage your money, you can live like a BoHo in a shared apartment and spend your evenings bitching about the evils of America to all your tongue-stud wearing pals.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 12:06 PM (kdS6q)

778
764
I'm down with Susana Martinez.

--------

Must... resist... standard... Moron... response....

I don't really know anything about her.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:03 PM (/eBe


Eh. Standard response doesn't apply.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 12:06 PM (da5Wo)

779
Case in Point:

2004: Hispanics 10 percent of elec....Blacks 11 percent...Bush little over 40 percent of Hispanic Vote...Bush over 62 million votes...(DEMOGRAPHICS NOT!!)

2008: Hispanics 10 percent of elect....Blacks 13 percent....Whites out in record numbers for Obama....Obama 70 million Votes...McCain 59 million votes with about 36-37 percent Hispanic for McCain

2012: Hispanics 10 percent of elect...Blacks 13 percent..White voters stay home...conservatives abandon Romney...Obama just over 59 million voters and Romney 57.4 million..with just over 30 percent Hispanis Vote...

Shifting Demographics...NOT!! Hispanic percentage is the same since 2004. JUST THE CANDIDATES support is different. Hispanic percentage remains the same in all three elections. Bush was a Social Conservative/Fiscal Conservative (many Hispanics are Social Conservatives and Bush came from Texas) Romney was not viewed socially conservative, was from the Northeast and had nothing to prove he was not liberal and Hispanics did not trust him.

Blacks: 13 percent of 129 million voters in 2008
Blacks: 13 percent of just over 116 million in 2012- Increase NO decrease i number total....White plummet....WHITES SHIFTED THE RACE not HISPANICS AND NOT BLACKS!

So lets take McCain's 59 million plus this year...Guess what the Black 13 percent drops back to under 12 percent back to historical

So lets take Bushes 62 million...Blacks would have dropped below historical numbers!!

This is such BS ladies and gentlemen...in a shrinking total vote the biggest drop was the Conservative White Voter....that is why Obama lost over 10 million voters....in fact fewer black and hispanic voters came for Obama as well...if they were 10 percent and 13 percent with 129 million and the same for 116 million do the math!!!

This election was pathetic....for all this hype just over 116 voted....over 121 million in 2004 and 129 million in 2008. This tells the whole story. Both candidates STUNK!

Obama dropped way much more and that is pathetic.

As for this 39/33 split Dem....BS....with 116 million yes...put McCains support from the GOP from 2008 at 59 million vs Obama's 59 million in 2012 where is the PLUS 6? It would be EVEN!!

No we are not more Liberal or Democrat. All this is CRAP!

The bottom lines are what matter. The Polls were not right. The polls never gaged the true conservative support for Romney at all. In other words, you want to know Conservative Support Poll those that voted for Bush in 2004...not the crap from 2008 or 2012 and do it with a true conservative on the GOP ticket!

Bottom line no the Hispanics did not change the vote or the single white bimbo female or the black. It was the conservatives that stayed home in 2004 is that did Romney in. Obama plummeted in 2012 over 10 million..Bush went up by millions in 2004. Endgame. GOP wants to win NOMINATE A CONSERVATIVE for God's Sake. Demographics is RUBBISH...every voting block for Obama plummeted in 2012 including College Kids....gee!

So when you hear that times have changed shove that 10 percent Hispanic vote from 2004 that is the same today...and they will say see we need more Hispanics like Bush...then say...NO WE NEED THE EVANGELICALS AND WHITES that supported Bush in 2004(yes it is good he appealed to more Hispanics as well by 10 percent but that is not what won Bush over Kerry)..and guess what Single White Females overwhelmingly supported Kerry as did College Kids!

Amazing how 72 percent of the electorate means little but the 10 percent means everything. Never once do they talk about RINOS being on top of the ticket!


Posted by: bluerose75 at November 09, 2012 12:07 PM (HDcKc)

780 Well thanks morons! I haven't gotten any work done this morning!

lolololol!!!

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:07 PM (GQ8sn)

781 Nachos Bell Grande/ Hot, Mild, or Fire Sauce 2016!

Posted by: L, just L at November 09, 2012 12:08 PM (0PiQ4)

782 A much-needed palate cleanser:

Salute to the Marine Corp(se)™ 237th Birthday tomorrow:

http://tinyurl.com/bxfy7ya

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 12:08 PM (UOM48)

783 Lynne: Akin deviated from the party platform, and pulled out medieval nonsense that the Catholic church used to justify their position on pregnancies caused by rape.

If he had stuck to the party platform, and resisted the urge to preach, we would not be here analyzing this loss. His screw up allowed the Dems to paint Romney as some kind of Republican Taliban. It does not matter if it was fair or not.

It worked.

Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 12:09 PM (wYVte)

784 766 EDJ,

let me tell you a story about why I quit Ohio this week.

I drove home to vote. Went to my precinct in fairborn ohio.

Nice older black gentleman asked me for my driver's license to vote.

This is in a state that let 60,000 Somalis vote this month w/light bills.

Fuck it I am ALREADY a second class citizen and probably have been for 12 years.

Let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:09 PM (LRFds)

785 Changing the basic core of the Republican Party is not the way to win. The way to win is by articulating our message with a charismatic candidate. Also, not shitting the bed with basic GOTV. Really people, the time to panic is passed.

We need a complete rehaul of our GOTV NOT our conservative principles. Calm the fuck down. I devoted Wednesday and Thursday to despair but it's time to move on. Did the Dems give up after '04? Fuck no. They played hardball, stonewalled W on everything and rode the inevitable Bush fatigue to victory in 3 successive elections. Obama fatigue is coming (it's actually already here) and we need to capitalize.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 09, 2012 12:09 PM (pLTLS)

786 Student aid takes care of the bills, and if you manage your money, you
can live like a BoHo in a shared apartment and spend your evenings
bitching about the evils of America to all your tongue-stud wearing
pals.


Heh. There it is.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 09, 2012 12:09 PM (vbh31)

787 Could it possibly be time for a new thread?

Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 12:10 PM (T4SG9)

788 Vaginas/ Dilldos 2016!

Free D batteries for all.

Posted by: L, just L at November 09, 2012 12:10 PM (0PiQ4)

789 You guys, this is like Hugo Chaves in Venezuela. The first thing will be to destroy th emiddle clas through job losses, taxes, etc.

Pretty soon oil companies will be nationalized.

I am going low profile. I just realized this is the pattern.

Ugh.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 09, 2012 12:10 PM (GoIUi)

790 Must... resist... standard... Moron... response....

I don't really know anything about her.


She's okay looking in the way slightly zaftig middle-aged hispanic women who can put themselves together are okay looking.

Posted by: Armando at November 09, 2012 12:10 PM (5iuEW)

791 @783

Stormfront may be gone, but the KKK is here.

Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 12:10 PM (T4SG9)

792 Let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:09 PM (LRFds)


I live in Boulder county.
Let it burn.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 12:10 PM (Qxe/p)

793 I know.. I don't even want to go to Thanksgiving at my SIL's house. Or Christmas. God the thought of walking into anyones house that voted for that fucking asshole just makes me sick.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (l/N7H)

794 Banks should already be doing this with college loans. You make loans in line with what you expect (reasonably) to get paid back.

Restore balance by restoring bankruptcy protection for student loans and you'll have a have banks making that choice. You'll deflate college costs back where a kid workinga job in the summer can payfor his education.

You'll also have a greatly expanded voter basein the 20-40 age group and take a source of funding away from the hard left. The lamentations of the college's commie faculties would be a sweet bonus.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (6BgmB)

795 If you need a pick-me-up, BearMtnBob's comment on the lower thread will have you popping a boner.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334802#c19653868

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (evdj2)

796 769 tasker,

and that's it in a nutshell well stated that is what has been eating away the last of my faith in America the media elected Biden and Choom.

They lied blatantly repeatedly and remarkably easy to prove that they were lying and they won.

I'm not giving my loyalty or love to this anymore.

It took 40 years of training by the donks but finally for the second time in her life Michelle Obama loves America?

Fuck her I hate it.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:12 PM (LRFds)

797 743 Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 11:54 AM (Zzyhu)

Yes....Bohner's bed wetting is horrible. Nothing ever sticks to Obama because we just can not negotiate. All Boehner had to do was say "yes, the President won....we look forward to receiving HIS proposals to address our problems in the very near future and promise to look at them with an open mind."

Obama never has a plan -- he only has ideas. Other people have to come up with a plan.

That is why nothing ever sticks to him.
Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 11:57 AM (OWjjx)

His plans were shot down by his own party, 99-0 votes against Obamas budgets. And yet this fucking dbag is so stupid he keeps offering his own, he's a fucking incompetent. I'm a drunken idiot, but even I know not to start off a negotiation on salary by saying "ok I need 80k to live comfortably but for 55 k I will be able to afford my house and get by, and that's 2k more than I get paid now." boner is a fucking moron.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 12:12 PM (Zzyhu)

798 Rush is on a roll.

He advocates all Republicans voting "present" for the next 4 years.

(let it burn)

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 12:12 PM (Qxe/p)

799 793
I know.. I don't even want to go to Thanksgiving at my SIL's house. Or
Christmas. God the thought of walking into anyones house that voted for
that fucking asshole just makes me sick.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (l/N7H)

Anyway you can get outta it? Accept the invitation and then call hacking and sneezing at the last minute? In the meantime, plan your own meal.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 12:13 PM (X6akg)

800 Endless loop with no exit.....The young have been screwed by their parents and don't know it yet....... Suckas....

Posted by: Wall_E at November 09, 2012 11:59 AM (48wze)

To get a job people go into STEM. Work can still be somewhat hard to find, but generally people are seeking workers all the time somewhere.
Of course STEM disciplines are a bit harder than wymyns studyes, so there's that.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 12:13 PM (xAtAj)

801 Good thing no impeachment before election. Might have been worse.

Reason I left the GOP was the "Prevent Defense".

Posted by: nip at November 09, 2012 12:13 PM (11Tdq)

802 Fuck her I hate it.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:12 PM (LRFds)

_______________

sven

Don't let her "win".

Not in your life. Not worth it.

Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:14 PM (r2PLg)

803 "Bush was a Social Conservative/Fiscal Conservative"

Fiscal conservative? WTF??? You call getting involved in 2 undeclared wars, Medicare Part D, and all kinds of new spending being fiscally conservative? Bush was a Big Guvmint soccon who actually did well enough to moderate his socconness, so I give him that, but the rest of it???

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:14 PM (dZ756)

804
Can we hope to be past the Airing of Grievances here by next Monday? I'm ready for the Feats of Strength.
Posted by: toby928©







"Remove the Shone of Shame. Attach the Stone of Triumph!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 12:14 PM (kdS6q)

805 Checking in. Up to 800 comments and still arguing about the same shit.

Oh well.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:14 PM (YdQQY)

806 Anyway you can get outta it? Accept the invitation and then call hacking and sneezing at the last minute? In the meantime, plan your own meal.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 12:13 PM (X6akg)


I plan to eat their food and leave.
Maybe with leftovers.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 12:14 PM (Qxe/p)

807 You will not enjoy this. It will not be over quickly.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 09, 2012 12:14 PM (7vSU0)

808 Clearly the evil, white Republican nazis need to atone for past racism by giving votes to millions of illegals who hate them.

Also, to make up for slavery and Jim Crow laws put in place by Democrats, the Republicans should support a bill that gives blacks two votes each in elections. It's only fair to make up for past discrimination. And blacks are hard-working, god-fearing "natural conservatives" so I'm sure after we give the 2 votes each they'll start voting Repub.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (ZPrif)

809 God the thought of walking into anyones house that voted for that fucking asshole just makes me sick.

Actually, it can be fun. You have to have the right mental approach to it.

For example, take a moment and inspect all their lightbulbs. Find anything that isn't a mercury ladden enviro bulb, point it out...ask them why they hate Gaia?

Insist that the entire meal be organic and free range. its their money.....why do you care if it cost more.

Insist that the theomostate be set at 68 degrees. I don't care if your cold....its for the planet.

Make them live to the standards they want to impose upon others. If nothing else, the exposure of their hypocracy is extremely self-gratifying.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (OWjjx)

810 Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:02 PM (GQ8sn)
___
Anyone who hasn't spent much time in Europe would be shocked at the racism. Northern Italians are even prejudiced against the Southern half of their own country and have been edvocating for secession for some time.

Kind of like what happened in Quebec.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (jm/9g)

811 You call getting involved in 2 undeclared wars

Have you found the Constitutionally mandated phrasing yet?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (evdj2)

812 Note: I don't use drugs, but I

understand the policy argument for legalization or at least

decriminalization. I'm not sure the right path to take on it; but once

states start saying it is legal, it makes it very, very hard to keep

pretending it is a non-issue.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 11:07 AM (moRRg)

If Mexico was smart they'd legalize all drugs. But of course the cartels control their govt... and the cartels would have no part in driving out their own business.And the Drug War Complex here in the US wouldn't be happy either. Why would our legions of SWAT teams want to go back to walking the beat?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (xAtAj)

813
"776... Also- see my earlier post (I think it was in this thread): Everyone is 'naturally socialist.' Humans are naturally selfish and lazy."


Bullshit. People are naturally capitalist. They do something to improve their lives, they expect to reap the rewards. Somebody steals their stuff, they get angry. They steal from others, they feel guilty.

Socialism fails because if you have a system where the wealth you create is immediately stolen from you, the inevitable reaction is to create less wealth- much less. Even when it means you'll be severely punished, or even starve.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (Mxt9o)

814 He advocates all Republicans voting "present" for the next 4 years.Posted by: jwb7605

Hmm, seems oddly familiar.

Of course, the exceptions have to be there for the 1st and 2nd Amendment issues. Cannot abstain on those, not ever.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (SX6wc)

815 793 jewell 45,

then don't I'm taking my wife to see her 75 year old mom in South Carolina this month because after she moves to Cali next month we likely will not see her until she is dying.

Fuck 'em they are all dead to me.

I will not sully myself humoring a democrat ever again in my life.

They have shat on my side for my whole life hard and not been punished.

Fire for fire burn it down.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (LRFds)

816 Hispanics, blacks, and muslims tend to be more socially conservative than whites, and even vote against gay marriage

But they still voted overwhelmingly for Obullshit because ...

Free shit !!!!

They also buy into the narrative that Republicans are all Jim Crow racists

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:16 PM (wwsoB)

817 I second the call for a new thread, even if it's just an Open Thread. The stank in here could knock a San Fran whackjob over from the Jersey Pine Barrens.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 09, 2012 12:16 PM (GBXon)

818 791
@783 Stormfront may be gone, but the KKK is here.


Posted by: Gerry


I was not ranting against Catholics. I was merely talking about the historical origin of this rape-pregnancy-voluntary nonsense.

I am an atheist. I have no dog in the which religion is best fight. But apparently anyone who even mentions that the medieval Catholic church did bad things in the distant past is some kind of KKK asshole.

Fuck off, dumbass.


Posted by: Kristophr at November 09, 2012 12:16 PM (wYVte)

819
Rush is on a roll.

He advocates all Republicans voting "present" for the next 4 years.

(let it burn)


Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 12:12 PM (Qxe/p)

Well, Elections DO have consequences

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 12:16 PM (JWLqy)

820 720 sven10077: You've got it! If you want to kill the dragon you must be the dragon.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 12:16 PM (6H6FZ)

821 Heh. In light of his Santa Claus comments and Boehner's comments to appealing to people who don't think and act like us, Rush is playing Felice Navidad and intejecting "Barackoclaus" every now and then.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:16 PM (tQHzJ)

822 see my earlier post (I think it was in this thread): Everyone is "naturally socialist." Humans are naturally selfish and lazy.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:06 PM (/eBe

------------

It was a good point, well-expressed. You should probably start a blog or something. But I typed first, because this argument about Hispanics has been annoying me for the past few days and I only read the first few comments and saw it starting again.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (IPG9V)

823 You call getting involved in 2 undeclared wars,Posted by: SFGoth

Wrong.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (SX6wc)

824 Checking in. Up to 800 comments and still arguing about the same shit.

The future of the party and the nation? Pretty worthwhile debate, Vic.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (9KqcB)

825 If you need a pick-me-up, BearMtnBob's comment on the lower thread will have you popping a boner.



http://minx.cc/?blog=86post=334802#c19653868


Oh jesus, that's fucking awesome!!!!

Best cut of BearMtnBob's story:


A personal story regarding this.
An oldtime aquaintence has been
doing carpentry work off the books for decades. I was shocked to find
out he was a big Obot. Claims hes getting old and didn't want Romney to
take his SS/medicare away.
This from a guy who skirted paying in for decades!
He also used me as a reference for a NY State pistol permit.
I received the form the day after the election.
We made a $100 bet which I lost.
I stopped by last night to payoff.
Mutha spent 2 minutes gloating and laughing.
Stopped laughing when I pulled out the pistol reference sheet and set it on fire.
He started ranting about friends don't do this etc.
I simply explained that Obama is now my daddy and I was 100% behind implementing his agenda.
I then told him that his God signed on to the UN gun restriction agenda the day after the election.
And if my daddy Barack doesn't want him to have a gun, I'd have to agree.
I
then informed him how we agree with daddy Obama that all should pay
their fair share and we would be actively going after illegal
contractors suggesting he might want to get legal.
I got in my truck, informed him I wanted no further contact with him and drove away.
He has since texted me 6 times.
Deleted unread. Have a good weekend Donny!




HAHAHAHA!!!! PWNED!!!!

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (GQ8sn)

826 811 Toby 928th,

ask it where barry choom's congressional vote was for Operation kill the Gay Ambassador in a bit.....

I forget where the US people had a voice in being radical Islam's air wing.

Fuck Obama let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (LRFds)

827 798 Rush is on a roll.He advocates all Republicans voting "present" for the next 4 years.(let it burn)
Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 12:12 PM (Qxe/p)


I've been thinking about this. Why shouldn't we look for every way possible to keep our tax money from being redistributed to the bums. I've always paid every dime of tax I owe, but I'm starting to try to think of creative ways to either get my tax money back, or reduce what I pay in the first place, just so it won't go to obama's welfare class. Any ideas?

Posted by: Havedash at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (F0WNa)

828 Why would our legions of SWAT teams want to go back to walking the beat?

If push comes to shove, I guess there's always cracking down on people who are late with their student loans on behalf of the Department of Education...

Posted by: SWAT Team at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (5iuEW)

829 811
You call getting involved in 2 undeclared wars



Have you found the Constitutionally mandated phrasing yet?

Posted by: toby928©

Yes, as I schooled you on that last night.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (dZ756)

830 Tami.. I may do that! Sad thing is, this is probably the last year my daughter will be here for family functions, Lord knows where she will be this time next year.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 09, 2012 12:18 PM (l/N7H)

831 795
If you need a pick-me-up, BearMtnBob's comment on the lower thread will have you popping a boner.



http://minx.cc/?blog=86post=334802#c19653868

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (evdj2)

Wow! That's good....I'm gonna go read it again!

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 12:18 PM (X6akg)

832 795 If you need a pick-me-up, BearMtnBob's comment on the lower thread will have you popping a boner.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334802#c19653868
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (evdj2)

____________________

toby

Thanks--off to go read it.


Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:18 PM (r2PLg)

833 So much for the certainty of not voting for McCain the despicable RINO would result in an inevitable Reagan II conservative landslide in 2012. I recall political "experts" shoving that concept down everyone's throats back in 08. Who came around? Rick Santorum? Bachmann? Now they are talking smack about abortion, pot, immigration gay marriage as if they know every political contingency for the next twenty years. America is not a church, nor was it ever envisioned as such. Practice your faith however you want to. Hey, religious Right - newsflash -a murderer went to heaven with Jesus the day of the crucifixion. He also violated The Law when He pardoned a prostitute in a Leviticusdriven theocracy.
Do you cherish religious freedom or not? Keep this nonsense up andChristianity will be outlawed before you know it.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 09, 2012 12:19 PM (gMONh)

834 As for social issues, the first and foremost should be that you contribute to society by earning your way, not bitching that you're entitled because you breath air

Envy and sloth are two of the Seven Deadly Sins. If we can't get people to realize that taking what isn't yours isn't a sin, then everything else isn't going to mean shit

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (wwsoB)

835 BearMtnBob's story

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (GQ8sn)



Would have loved to have been there to see this guys face...heh

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (JWLqy)

836 "We weren't blown out. We don't need to capitulate on everything."

Tell that to that fucking prick Boehner. A warning shot across McConnell's bow wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (vd7A8)

837 If it's any consolation to you, AtC, you do have your own fan club here with the Moron Horde.

As well as devoted slaves to all that pleases Your Imperial Highness. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (zF6Iw)

838 * plops tin-foil hat on head *

Joe Biden resigns under Drs orders, Hillary resigns as SoS,
assumes VP position.

* snatches tin-foil hat from head *

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (feFL6)

839 Yes, as I schooled you on that last night.

Oh? Can you link it for my amusement? I must have gone to bed.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:20 PM (evdj2)

840 831 I can't find the comment. Post some excerpts?

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 09, 2012 12:21 PM (6H6FZ)

841 Kind of like what happened in Quebec.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 12:15 PM (jm/9g)

Similar. They wanted out just because they spoke French and the rest of Canada didn't. Stupid fucks don't even realize that Canada is officially bilingual just for them.

Posted by: EC at November 09, 2012 12:21 PM (GQ8sn)

842 Who is to say repubs even sat out? How do we know their votes didn't end up in the obama side? Didn't obama get 90-104% vote totals in some places? Weren't machines registering votes for obama when people voted for romney?


personally, I don't think we have to reflect on jack shit. We have a media that needs to be destroyed and a totally corrupted voting system.

Posted by: Berserker at November 09, 2012 12:21 PM (FMbng)

843 He advocates all Republicans voting "present" for the next 4 years.

I said that yesterday.

That, and running Biz Markie for President next time.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 09, 2012 12:21 PM (7vSU0)

844 I think we have passed the point of no return on saving the country from an economic and civil collapse. I am not sure what we will be facing in 2016 but I am pretty sure it won't look like anything we've seen before in our lifetimes.

I also believe that most of the people that post here will be more than able to handle whatever happens. The USA is stepping out of the world picture as Great Britain did in the last century. And it looks like we are following the same path, in the same way, as the mother country.

Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 09, 2012 12:21 PM (9zugO)

845 Note: I don't use drugs, but I
understand the policy argument for legalization or at least
decriminalization. I'm not sure the right path to take on it; but once
states start saying it is legal, it makes it very, very hard to keep
pretending it is a non-issue.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 11:07 AM (moRRg)


Colorado voted to sell marijuana to fund the school system.
I pointed out to my wife that originally they decided to raise tobacco taxes and fund the school system -- that worked, and school funding pretty much tanked as tobacco sales decreased.

The only way to keep revenue to schools with the marijuana thing would be to sell increasingly more. Did she think that increasing marijuana sales (and/or adding alcohol to the mix) would be a good thing for the school system?

She's a teacher's aide (parapro).
I love the look of consternation teachers get with that paradox.

I don't really care if marijuana passes, but funding a school system with a vice tax is always stupid.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 12:21 PM (Qxe/p)

846 Anyone who hasn't spent much time in Europe would be shocked at the racism. Northern Italians are even prejudiced against the Southern half of their own country and have been edvocating for secession for some time.

Anyone who thinks of the modern Euro states as the natural boundaries is profoundly ignorant. Italy and Germany, in particular, are utterly modern constructs, and most of the rest are no better--Spain's been having secession movements pop up, and not from the Basques this time. The Scots have been wanting to go their own way for now, Belgium's flirting with partition...hell, even the Russians aren't doing much more than papering over their own issues with bayonets and bandages.

The natural state of humanity is a basket case. Pretending otherwise is delusion.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (GBXon)

847 Any more news on West?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (9+ccr)

848 Everyone is "naturally socialist." Humans are naturally selfish and lazy.

This is one of the most basic reasons why I support conservative governance. Because government growth is natural. In a free society, it is natural for people to vote themselves more stuff. It wouldn’t feel useful to work every election to achieve what is achieved naturally. What is needed is a check on human nature. (That’s what civilized society is all about.)

It’s like a village that needs to keep a swelling river from flooding the town. Some people are manning the sandbags and some are manning the fire hose.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (9KqcB)

849 Hey, religious Right - newsflash -a murderer went to heaven with Jesus the day of the crucifixion.

Hey, ignorant progg...Jesus didn't go to Heaven the day of the crucifixion, he descended into Hell.

Meanwhile, the other dude being crucifixed repented of his sin and asked for forgiveness. He didn't hang there screaming that he'd done nothing wrong, and everyone else was an asshole who wanted to take away his "right" to kill.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (/kI1Q)

850 If you need a pick-me-up, BearMtnBob's comment on the lower thread will have you popping a boner. http://minx.cc/?blog=86post=334802#c19653868
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:11 PM (evdj2)

One word of caution on employees turning into subcontractors - the IRS is all over this. Trust me.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (2zM0P)

851 833 I like Anchors,

Go ahead...Barack likes sucking Syrian and Sudanese cock and they crucify us.

Do your worst, we'll fight or pray for you.

If you think we are not already gonna get our national Sharia on you need a bridge?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (LRFds)

852 I've always paid every dime of tax I owe, but I'm starting to try to think of creative ways to either get my tax money back, or reduce what I pay in the first place, just so it won't go to obama's welfare class. Any ideas?

http://barnhardt.biz/

^^This^^ I haven't watched her new videos, but check out the 11/7 post specifically.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (tQHzJ)

853 According testimony of a Mexican government witness in the article alleging cartel weapons were obtained from the Border Patrol (linked above) there was an Tucson, AZ deputy cooperating with the cartels under Pima Country Sheriff Dupnik's watch.

"The Javelins’ leader, Jose Vazquez or 'Wild Boar' also seems to have been in charge of a pretty sophisticated operation.The
group fielded escort teams for carrying weapons shipments and
controlling drug trafficking routes, and teams of 12 for smuggling
marijuana across the border. Cocaine was flown in from southern Mexico
before being smuggled. They even had one command-and-control station for
monitoring cameras placed along key highways.
Underneath Vazquez, according to the witness, was a deputy in Tucson in charge of smuggling weapons from the United States."

http://tinyurl.com/aefpbx2

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 09, 2012 12:23 PM (9eDbm)

854 It was a good point, well-expressed. You should probably start a blog or something. But I typed first, because this argument about Hispanics has been annoying me for the past few days and I only read the first few comments and saw it starting again.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (IPG9V)

___________________

Jenny--I agree with you.

Hell--I am French Canadian--ish.

Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:23 PM (r2PLg)

855
@814 He advocates all Republicans voting "present" for the next 4 years.Posted by: jwb7605

Hmm, seems oddly familiar.

"Of course, the exceptions have to be there for the 1st and 2nd Amendment issues. Cannot abstain on those, not ever."

Yup. Let it burn on fiscal matters. Hold fast on the basics we'll need to rebuild when our wealth turns to ash. This includes not throwing the doors open to every third-world illegal who wants in.

Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 12:23 PM (4I3Uo)

856 Just invited a couple we haven't seen in several years to come down for Thanksgiving. Also inviting other local friends who are like-minded (hate Barky).

Was going to invite the m-i-l, but she voted for Barky and death panels and can go to her life coach daughter's and eat tofu.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2012 12:23 PM (UOM48)

857 I don't really care if marijuana passes, but funding a school system with a vice tax is always stupid.

One of the few bright spots for me last Tuesday was the defeat of Prop. B in Missouri. It was going to raise cigarette taxes (again) to provide more money for.....what else....the schools.

The opponets ran a very good ad pointing out the numerous prior taxes that had been passed to fund the schools and how all that money basically got pissed away by the politicians. It went down to defeat.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:23 PM (OWjjx)

858 Listening to Rush the last two days, I think even he understands that a pep talk to the base would be an exercise in futility, at least right now. Usually he is pretty good at remaining upbeat even after a defeat.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (vbh31)

859

and this is why we lose elections

all the good candidates for 2016 will take one close look at the GOP base and say no thanks

who would want to go into battle with you people?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (DNMgS)

860 849 Heather Radish the loveliest indy in Moron land...,

Ms. Radish let their false preaching go.

They act like "we may outlaw Christianity" is not already 'we've been trying."

Let it burn God's kingdom will reign.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (LRFds)

861 You should see the shit about French people.....


HAaaHaaaaajAaaahAaa!!11

Posted by: tasker at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (r2PLg)

862 People are naturally capitalist. They do something to improve their
lives, they expect to reap the rewards. Somebody steals their stuff,
they get angry. They steal from others, they feel guilty.


Nope, that takes training. Heinlein described it as "a carefully cultured moral conscience," and he was (largely) right.

Yes, when someone does something to improve their lives, they expect to reap the rewards. But they don't at all mind reaping the rewards of others' work. Most people are too lazy to do that work themselves.

When they steal from others they feel guilty if they've been taught to feel guilty. We've spent 60+ years teaching our population exactly the opposite- that they have a "right" to that stuff. At least in his nature, Man doesn't think he has a "right" to your stuff, even as he's taking it from you.

In fact, if people were "naturally capitalist" we wouldn't need government at all. Capitalism (real capitalism, not the semi-socialist crap we've got right now) is inherently moral because it specifically believes that I have only a right to what I can create with my own labor.

The natural state of man is to kill other men and take their women and their stuff.

To believe otherwise is purely fantasy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (/eBe8)

863 Well maybe I'm reading too much into it. "Deputy" in this context could just mean "underling".

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (9eDbm)

864 Yes, as I schooled you on that last night.


Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:17 PM (dZ756)


Really? Some of us must have missed that. Please repeat it for us.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (da5Wo)

865 Bachmann has dual citizenship. She was never eligible to be President, though she took $millions. Utter fraud crook.

Posted by: DAve at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (XDC0v)

866 who would want to go into battle with you people?

You mad, bro?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (evdj2)

867
"785Changing the basic core of the Republican Party is not the way to win. The way to win is by articulating our message with a charismatic candidate. Also, not shitting the bed with basic GOTV. Really people, the time to panic is passed.

We need a complete rehaul of our GOTV NOT our conservative principles. Calm the fuck down. I devoted Wednesday and Thursday to despair but it's time to move on. Did the Dems give up after '04? Fuck no. They played hardball, stonewalled W on everything and rode the inevitable Bush fatigue to victory in 3 successive elections. Obama fatigue is coming (it's actually already here) and we need to capitalize. "


Exactly. But a big part of this is countering the media propaganda machine. We have to find a way to hold Obama accountable for the shitstorms that areontheir way, or a hundred years from now people will still be blaming the financial crisis on Bush, the way FDR never got blamed for the Depression.

It could take a hundred years for another Ronald Reagan to show up. The media MUST be dealt with.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (Mxt9o)

868 Romney did not have enough differentiation – Too many average
voters just viewed him as a typical politician, and electing him wasn’t
going to matter –
Issues like Obamacare were effectively taken off the table.

The media calling the last two debates “draws” confirmed the impression
that there is not a much of a difference between the candidates to the
60 million+ voters that never actually watched a debate. Mitt let Obama
off the ropes after the first debate, and the challenger can’t let the
fight go to the judges’ cards. A KO is a must. Reagan hit Carter hard
from the day he announced his candidacy in front of the Statue of
Liberty,and never let up - Nice doesn't work

Couple that with $100+ million of negative advertising in swing
states that went unchallenged. And amount of ad-time purchased was
probably effectively more than what $250 million would buy in the fall,
given it was
bought well in advance, at lower summer rates

Couple that with a failed, untested GOTV program… (am I correct to
understand that ORCA was completely new and not nationalized version of
the Preibus/Walker WI GOTV program?) – and what was worse is the poor
planning left thousands of precincts without poll watchers- think Philly
were precincts had 90%+ turnout with 98%+ of the votes going to Obama

Couple that with the fact that large swaths of people who might be
upset about the real nasty stuff that Obama has done over the past 4
years never heard about it because of the MSM blackout…


Liberty cannot survive without vibrant, challenging media… The blogosphere was simply pissing-in-the-wind versus television…
The truth may have been coming out here, but not effectively nor in broadly
disseminated manner…

Posted by: phreshone at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (MAhUT)

869 Get ready for massive layoffs, thanks to Obamacare. On the brightside, just think of all of the sweet, sweet revenue the government will collect when they fine the deadbeats that don't have health insurance.

Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (/ZZCn)

870 859 soothsayer,

I look at our 'leaders' and say "really why you?"

I gave a lot of money to be undermined my wallet is closed I will buy payback and a little land to keep bees.

The right wing superstars can go to hell.

The US of Mexico wins.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (LRFds)

871 Humans are naturally selfish and lazy.

I see you have meet my teenage daughters.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (OWjjx)

872 839
Yes, as I schooled you on that last night.



Oh? Can you link it for my amusement? I must have gone to bed.

Posted by: toby928© for TB

If you want to pay me to search for it. Alternatively, you could read Art. I, sec. 8 yourself.

What is it that you conservatives, who supposedly exalt the Constitution, have against requiring a vote to go to war before invading a country? I'm getting a lot of insults, but I'm not getting any cogent arguments in response (gee, you sound just like S.F. liberals). My point is that if we're going to spend $billions, kill people, and get our people killed, it should be important enough to justify a DoW. That's a very small-c conservative position. Now, please gainsay.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:25 PM (dZ756)

873

They act like "we may outlaw Christianity" is not already 'we've been trying."

Let it burn God's kingdom will reign.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (LRFds)


Well said, sven. (*'-') Well said, indeed.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 12:26 PM (X1PJ8)

874 818:
Ah, the poor widlle Klanboy whines when his white sheet doesn't hide his ugliness.

Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 12:26 PM (T4SG9)

875 I'm sure it's been said before here, and many other places, but immigration should be easy (provided you can support yourself and are not a violent criminal), but citizenship should take time and require effort.

Posted by: LB at November 09, 2012 12:27 PM (CXk+W)

876 Get out in the real world. Go join your local GOP committee and tell me that people like you aren't welcome. It's not true.
Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 11:56 AM (9KqcB)

Read comment 217. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Posted by: FPW at November 09, 2012 12:28 PM (BDNF5)

877 If you want to pay me to search for it.

Ah, so you still have nothing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:28 PM (evdj2)

878 Rush has now moved on to Michael Bolton's "Santa Claus is Coming to Town."

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:28 PM (tQHzJ)

879 Fritz, do you know what the penalty will be? I'm thinking $2K, but think I might be off on that. I'd like to know so that I can have quasi-fun reminding my brother, unemployed, age 50, voted for O in '08 and didn't feel the need to be bothered to even cast a vote this year 'cause Romney wanted to increase military spending....or something.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 12:28 PM (lTVJy)

880
And, I'm of Mexican anscetory (Mom was from Mexico and I have very strong family ties there), and I vote republican.

Posted by: LB at November 09, 2012 12:28 PM (CXk+W)

881
What is it that you conservatives, who supposedly exalt the
Constitution, have against requiring a vote to go to war before invading
a country? I'm getting a lot of insults, but I'm not getting any cogent
arguments in response (gee, you sound just like S.F. liberals).



You are the one who made the argument, therefore, it's your job to prove the veracity of it. Not our job to disprove it.


Logic? How the fuck does it work?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (da5Wo)

882 877
If you want to pay me to search for it.



Ah, so you still have nothing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB

Unable to read the rest of my post? I just re-summarized what I said last night. Funny that you won't answer my question. Well, not so funny; you're just unable to.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (dZ756)

883 t should be important enough to justify a DoW.

And yet you still cannot say what constitutes a "Declaration of War". I can understand you not taking a position, then you don't have to defend it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (evdj2)

884 Get ready for massive layoffs, thanks to Obamacare. On the brightside, just think of all of the sweet, sweet revenue the government will collect when they fine the deadbeats that don't have health insurance.

On the one hand, it will be wash. They will offset their fine with all their EITC money, so they won't be out anything.

On the other hand, they will be pissed because they will not be getting their tax refund candy. Yes, I plan on actually sitting down in 2014 and doing a lot of tax returns. And when they bitch, its gonna be real simple:

Did you vote for Obama? Yes...well, elections have consequences. Yours is that you get no refund.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (OWjjx)

885 I plan to eat their food and leave.
Maybe with leftovers.


Posted by: jwb7605 at November 09, 2012 12:14 PM (Qxe/p)


Sorry....no one's food is worth having to put up with that crap. No one....I'd eat at McDonald's before I sat in a house and listened to people spew about TFG.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 12:29 PM (X6akg)

886 Funny that you won't answer my question.

What was the question?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:30 PM (evdj2)

887 Election strategy should have been full Alinsky. We didn't do it. We're not equipped because we actually give a fuck about stuff.

Years ago, the Left picked their target... us... then they personalized it... Bush... and froze it... Bush's fault... and we STILL can't get away from it.

Best we can do is "Obama is a nice guy over his head". F*ck... he actually IS the poster boy for liberal failure and we couldn't "personalize" it.

And yes, Romney was cowed into not bringing up Libya again, by the bullies in the media. Just like Roberts was cowed into changing his vote. Romney wasn't ready for what was coming if he was elected. Not by a longshot.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 09, 2012 12:30 PM (QEzSf)

888 Look King Putt put on a new jacket and saved NYC and NJ....so those folk freezing or wondering why FEMA closed for snow the other day after closing shelters and who to blame.....

Blame George Bush it's easy and you did it the last 4 years Barry had to go home to Asia.

Have fun and I'll never donate another dime to charity that is not local again New Yorkers.

He won(again)

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:30 PM (LRFds)

889 Ms. Radish let their false preaching go.


Yeah, I just hate when people who don't know shit about a subject try to teach me about that subject.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 12:31 PM (/kI1Q)

890 NOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 12:31 PM (da5Wo)

891

GOP base

one part Drewm bedwetting brigade, scared to death of the press, always lashing out at conservatives with convictions


and one part hardcore obtuse relics who live in a bubble

both parts give up at the first sign of trouble and don't learn a goddam thing ever

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 12:31 PM (9j3O9)

892
I plan to eat their food and leave.
Posted by: jwb7605





When you excuse yourself to use the restroom, be sure to riffle thru their dresser drawers and steal something.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (kdS6q)

893 I see you have meet my teenage daughters.

Didn't have to. I've got my own kids.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (/eBe8)

894 881 BC1981,

says the bambi Bot who lost a US diplomat in a nation handed to radical Islam with nobody's approval but fwance and the UN's...

yeah I'm done talking to them at all.

They won have fun with it.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (LRFds)

895 If you want to see how Democraps create permanent free cheese voting blocks go over to Shorpy and look at the series of photos they have running now about the Irwington Farms, GA resettlement stuff.


The government created the disaster known as the "Dust Bowl" by opening Eastern OK and NW TX to homesteader farmers and encouraged plowing up the prairie grass to plant wheat corn etc.


The cattlemen (who were vilified) and the local Indians all said you can not do this. This area is not suitable for framing and it is much to dry 90% of the time. It is only good for grazing cattle.


When the dust bowl came people literally starved to death and the gov took their farms for back taxes.


Then along comes FDR and he creates a massive federal program to resettle the ones who can still walk to CA, GA, and other places.

Of course all those poor bastards don't blame the government. They worship FDR for saving them and the ones in GA that I know that are still alive are all die hard yellow dog Democrats.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (YdQQY)

896 I live in the reddest county in VA and joined my local Repub Committee. The powers-that-be are Ye Olde Establishment and were rooting for Romney even before he became the nominee. I'd say about one-third of our group is hard-core TEA.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (tQHzJ)

897
The natural state of man is to kill other men and take their women and their stuff.

To believe otherwise is purely fantasy.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (/eBe


I agree, with the exception that it does not require training to 'feel' guilt, as all men inherently know good from evil.

What does take training is obeying the programmed idea that the natural state - kill, steal, pillage - is wrong, and that those impulses must be conquered and killed.

(o.O ) C.S. Lewis once said that all of nature obeys natural law without fail, and that of all things in the universe, only humanity is free to disobey a law under which they exist. All creatures must conform to gravity, biological necessities, and telomere shortening, for example.

Humanity is subject to another law that all else in nature does not know - good and evil. We alone are free to disobey a natural law that we exist under, and our natural instict is indeed to disobey the 'good' instinct and embrace the evil. What is unnatural to us is to suppress our appetites and behave in a civilized manner.

Mere Christianity is a really great read. @@

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (X1PJ8)

898 Anyway, this made me laugh: Hipsters complaining that someone else smells.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/157356/

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (/kI1Q)

899 881

What is it that you conservatives, who supposedly exalt the

Constitution, have against requiring a vote to go to war before invading

a country? I'm getting a lot of insults, but I'm not getting any cogent

arguments in response (gee, you sound just like S.F. liberals).

You are the one who made the argument, therefore, it's your job to prove the veracity of it. Not our job to disprove it.
Logic? How the fuck does it work?


Posted by: BCochran1981

Your post makes no sense. I provided *reasons* why we should require a DoW. The response is basically :-P There's nothing to "prove" or "disprove" because these aren't issues of fact. I advanced a policy rationale. You disagree with it but won't say why. That's what liberals do. Where the Hell have I ended up this morning, LGF?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (dZ756)

900 Yeah, I just hate when people who don't know shit about a subject try to teach me about that subject.

You have meet my teenage daughters as well.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (OWjjx)

901 Oh forgot, Must read "The Worst Hard Times" by Timothy Eagan who was actually a NYT reporter.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (YdQQY)

902 Was this it? What is it that you conservatives, who supposedly exalt the Constitution, have against requiring a vote to go to war before invading a country?

If so, I reject your premise, we had a debate and vote in Congress to authorize the president to take offensive military action against another country.

Seems like a DoW to me.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (evdj2)

903 Will formatting change once 1000 posts are made?

Posted by: RioBravo at November 09, 2012 12:33 PM (eEfYn)

904 Conservatives have a choice here.

They can either try and chase the additional 1% of Hispanic vote (that is mainly located in California and Texas) and will be gone in a single election cycle after the amnesty is passed, and turn a 47% nation into a 55% nation.

or

Moderate on some social issues so that Republicans can be competitive once again to white collar professionals, suburban women, college educated whites, the East Coast, etc.

You legalize 20 million impoverished immigrants and you're not going to have a nation of free market capitalists thirsty for liberty. You'll have 50 states of California. That will be the end. Ask Reagan how much gratitude he got from Latinos for the amnesty he passed. Or McCain's tireless efforts.

Also, this idea that because Hispanics are Catholic they'll vote Republican is nonsense. Most Hispanics are Cafeteria Catholics anyway, I'd love to see stats on the rates of single moms. Latinos don't care what the official government position on these issues is, they're just going to want free stuff to survive and they'll practice their religion regardless. Is Mexico/South America a conservative mecca with all of those super awesome catholic Hispanics that are hard working and industrious? Snort.

Posted by: McAdams at November 09, 2012 12:34 PM (CA2pt)

905 Will formatting change once 1000 posts are made?

Yes, every third vowel will be turned into a special character.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:34 PM (evdj2)

906 I live in the reddest county in VA and joined my
local Repub Committee. The powers-that-be are Ye Olde Establishment and
were rooting for Romney even before he became the nominee. I'd say about
one-third of our group is hard-core TEA.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (tQHzJ)

Wasn't the VA RNC the one that only allowed Ron Paul and Romney on the ballot based on granfathering them?

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:34 PM (YdQQY)

907 Save us Obi-Won Ace.....you are the only one that can bring a new thread to the Force.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (OWjjx)

908 Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 11:22 AM (6Lik1)


You got dropped on your head a lot as a child, didn't you.

.

It's not a question. Notice no upside down question mark at the start.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (xHZCD)

909 I agree, with the exception that it does not require training to 'feel' guilt, as all men inherently know good from evil.

Maybe not "feel" it, but to understand what it is, and that it comes from doing something you shouldn't.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (/eBe8)

910 They worship FDR for saving them and the ones in GA that I know that are still alive are all die hard yellow dog Democrats.
I know a family that still hasa framed photo of FDR on their wall, opposite Jesus (the real one).

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (tQHzJ)

911 Finally a new post!

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 12:36 PM (YdQQY)

912 Any way to get some AoSHQ polls going? My circle of friends simply doesn't give a shit about abortion, gay marriage or pot. If anything, the consensus is keep the first legaljust put the kibosh on funding it, and legalize the last two. Immigration is a mixed bag with most saying simplify the process.

Take away the sure fire liberal battle cries and start explaining frugal realities. People as a whole get tight when they think about spending their own damned money. Buy the bum vote with pot and any other drugs they want. Brandthese and ownthem better than liberals have owned sex and abortion for ~ forty years while taking sex and abortion off the table. Stay on top of their next attempt to own freedom and just don't let it happen.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 09, 2012 12:36 PM (gMONh)

913 ^^This^^ I haven't watched her new videos, but check out the 11/7 post specifically.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (tQHzJ)

umm, not filing taxes is a bad idea

Posted by: chemjeff at November 09, 2012 12:36 PM (m/eXi)

914 Of course all those poor bastards don't blame the government. They
worship FDR for saving them and the ones in GA that I know that are
still alive are all die hard yellow dog Democrats.

-----

FDR will never get the credit for the wreckage he created. My high schooler's textbooks, over the many years, feature nothing but the good works of FDR and other assorted Dem presidents. There is no mention about Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (lTVJy)

915 You guys not wanting to go to some libs house for the holidays are missing a real treat.

Make them live by their rules.

If something isn't organic or free range, not only complain about it, but remind everyone of the brutal conditions of evil corporate slaughterhouses.......during dinnner.......while they are eating.

Trust me, it is hysterical.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (OWjjx)

916 And use lots and lots of graphic details. The more graphic, the better.

Posted by: Mallamutt. RINO President for Life at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (OWjjx)

917 Someone wants to entrust our country's defense to that mob of self-serving ignoramuses that voted on Tuesday? That's f'n rich!

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM (vbh31)

918 Wasn't the VA RNC the one that only allowed Ron Paul and Romney on the ballot based on granfathering them?
Yep. That was the state organization's doing. They're all Good Ole Boys. As for my county group, they're sweating bullets about all the new members that belong to the local TEA Party.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:38 PM (tQHzJ)

919 Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (DNMgS)

Dude, we just went to battle for Mitt F’ing Romney. Anyone who is more authentically conservative should be pumped to go to war with us.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:38 PM (9KqcB)

920

Maybe not "feel" it, but to understand what it is, and that it comes from doing something you shouldn't.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 12:35 PM (/eBe


Ah, I see now. o.0 Aye, I quite agree.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 09, 2012 12:38 PM (X1PJ8)

921 During the campaign, I heard a radio ad that was played constantly in Florida

A soccer mom gathering the brats for soccer practice into her presumably new SUV while telling us that Mitt Romney wants to declare war on the Middle Class with a huge laundry list of cuts to government programs. How Mitt doesn't understand how hard it is for Middle Class Moms already.

It's not just college kids and inner city dwellers who are marching in the Free Shit Army

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (wwsoB)

922 Take away the sure fire liberal battle cries

The "liberal battle cries" never go away, they just change the sentence structure a bit.

If we go full-bore supporting abortion and gay marriage, then the "liberal battle cries" will be transformed into why we don't support legal euthanasia and polygamy.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (m/eXi)

923 >>>Fritz, do you know what the penalty will be?

No I don't. But I'm fairly sure some other more-informed moron knows the details of this obamination.

Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (/ZZCn)

924 If so, I reject your premise, we had a debate and
vote in Congress to authorize the president to take offensive military
action against another country.



Seems like a DoW to me.

Posted by: toby928© for TB

So why not actually use the word "war"? Why not? Because no one wants it on their record that they supported "war". It's a lot tougher to say "aye" when you're voting on "war", as it should be. That's why we didn't declare war re: Korea (36,000 U.S. deaths) or Vietnam (55,000 KIA). We did muster the courage to declare war in WWII. I guess that's now passe. That's why you play word games with "offensive military action". Again, you're simply a liberal.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:39 PM (dZ756)

925 Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:22 PM (tQHzJ)umm, not filing taxes is a bad idea

She has already had her bank account seized and is figuring her house will benext. She said she refuses to subsidize the murder of innocents via tax dollars and is ready to go to jail for it.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM (tQHzJ)

926 File, but don't pay the ZeroCare penalty.

Boner is wrong.

The dipwad at geothermal is wrong.

Patriotic Americans can kill ZeroCare by NOT BUYING IT.

Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM (T4SG9)

927 Your post makes no sense. I provided *reasons* why
we should require a DoW. The response is basically :-P There's nothing
to "prove" or "disprove" because these aren't issues of fact. I advanced
a policy rationale. You disagree with it but won't say why. That's what
liberals do. Where the Hell have I ended up this morning, LGF?


Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (dZ756)


You say that a DoW was required. You must prove that's true, you must show what constitutes a DoW and you must show that one was not provided. Again, Logic, How the fuck does it work?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM (da5Wo)

928 I'd say about one-third of our group is hard-core TEA.

One-third is pretty damn good.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM (9KqcB)

929 Listening to Rush the last two days, I think even he understands that a pep talk to the base would be an exercise in futility, at least right now. Usually he is pretty good at remaining upbeat even after a defeat.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 09, 2012 12:24 PM (vbh31)


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Rush is as devastated as the rest of us. Same as Beck and Levin. Let them get it together, rest, and deep breaths and come back in a couple of weeks to start the full attack.

I'm sure all of them have sources they need to speak with. They'll be fine, just like the rest of us that decide to fight.

And just to be clear; letting it burn is part of the fight.

Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 12:43 PM (xZZ44)

930 I'd say about one-third of our group is hard-core TEA. One-third is pretty damn good.

We were making inroads, but then again, what good will it do? Mitt's (former dem) atty at the Tampa convention changed the bylaws allowing local control in selecting delegates to the NATIONAL organization's control.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:44 PM (tQHzJ)

931 FDR will never get the credit for the wreckage he
created. My high schooler's textbooks, over the many years, feature
nothing but the good works of FDR and other assorted Dem presidents.
There is no mention about Ronald Reagan.


Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 12:37 PM

The Kennedys are still canonized even though JFK's policies now would be called extreme by the MSM

Bobby Kennedy was Joe McCarthy's first lead counsel in the commie hunts, but that gets scrubbed as well.

JFK had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel even prior to 11/22/63, yet he was presented to America as vibrant, young, virile, and the picture of health

As the old saying goes, winners get to write the history books

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:44 PM (wwsoB)

932 Ann Barnhardt looks like the lady who did that bacon-in-the-Koran video.

Maybe Obama can blame a terrorist attack on her and haul her off to jail.

He's going to need a lot of scapegoats.

Posted by: Mindy at November 09, 2012 12:45 PM (6jLT3)

933 Patriotic Americans can kill ZeroCare by NOT BUYING IT.
Posted by: Gerry at November 09, 2012 12:40 PM (T4SG9)


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The states with repub governors and legislatures can reject everything that comes down the pike from the junta in DC. We have to tell them to do it, though. The secret to retaining our freedom will come solely from the states. Do not rely on the people in DC.

Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (xZZ44)

934 Rush is as devastated as the rest of us. Same as Beck and Levin. Let them get it together, rest, and deep breaths and come back in a couple of weeks to start the full attack.
Have you heard about this yet?

http://bit.ly/Zecdjh

It talks about throwing Rove and his ineffective superpacs and strategies overboard -- and more importantly, getting a conservative TV network. Luckily, Beck's already got the framework in place, and as he said this morning, "I don't have to watch what I say 'cause a part of my operation isn't owned by a Saudi prince."

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (tQHzJ)

935 Some thoughts: (some thing I know)
I'mfaced w/ commanders who say fire down range.

Yet, that is all we are doing, just sending rounds down range. No end resutlt.

Perhaps suppressing fiire, cover for another op. Who knows?

Livedcommander getting relived for no confidence. Orders came from above but personnel REFUSED to support (from E-9 on down).. Saw E-9's get relived because of no support. Not pretty place to be.

Confidence has been compromised.

Once compromised, you are NEVER whole.

It leaves a pretty big hole

Want to fight??

Then fight to win.

Posted by: lost confidence at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (q1RJB)

936 That's why you play word games with "offensive military action".

You insist on a form, yet won't define it in the context of the Constitution. Where the Constitution is silent, Congress, or the people, decide. Congress decided that the Authorization of Force in Iraq was sufficient and I more than agree with them.

And it's not a game to say Offensive, when you want to distinguish it from a purely defensive stance. "War" is a state of hostility between nations. It has many levels.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:49 PM (evdj2)

937 The states with repub governors and legislatures can reject everything that comes down the pike from the junta in DC. We have to tell them to do it, though. The secret to retaining our freedom will come solely from the states. Do not rely on the people in DC.


Levin is hinting at something lately re the (now) 30 states that have Repub governors. At this point, we have nothing to lose in calling for a Constitutional Convention since it has been shredded by the mocha messiah. Don't know if that's what he's working toward or not.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:50 PM (tQHzJ)

938 904 McAdams,

Had the media not proven once and for all they can carry a sack of shit across the goal line period I'd agree.

We cave on social matters we go further and further to zanyville.

This is a race we cannot win.

Burn it down.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 09, 2012 12:53 PM (LRFds)

939 It talks about throwing Rove and his ineffective superpacs and strategies overboard -- and more importantly, getting a conservative TV network. Luckily, Beck's already got the framework in place, and as he said this morning, "I don't have to watch what I say 'cause a part of my operation isn't owned by a Saudi prince."
Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM (tQHzJ)


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Beck has some good shit lining up. It's what we need to do. I would even email Rush and ask him to invest in that endeavor (if he's not). Or encourage Rush to entertain the idea, with say, some other wealthy conservatives to make a play at a takeover of one of the big 3.

Posted by: Soona at November 09, 2012 12:55 PM (xZZ44)

940 It talks about throwing Rove and his ineffective
superpacs and strategies overboard -- and more importantly, getting a
conservative TV network. Luckily, Beck's already got the framework in
place, and as he said this morning, "I don't have to watch what I say
'cause a part of my operation isn't owned by a Saudi prince."

Posted by: RushBabe at November 09, 2012 12:48 PM

Down here in FL, the Dems swamped us with cable tv and regular tv ads, radio ads.

The GOP swamped us with mailers and robocalls

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:55 PM (wwsoB)

941 Saddest thing I've ever seen.

O-6 at staff meeting.."Chief, do you need some help/"

Posted by: lost confidence at November 09, 2012 12:59 PM (q1RJB)

942 Being Hispanic makes me naturally have a nice ass and a need to pluck my eyebrows more often and that's about it.

You know the AoS rules, Jenny - pix or it doesn't exist.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 01:00 PM (zF6Iw)

943 "Being Hispanic makes me naturally have a nice ass

Pics?"

*waits eagerly*

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 09, 2012 01:01 PM (vd7A8)

944 to the R's...

Do you need some help?

Posted by: lost confidence at November 09, 2012 01:01 PM (q1RJB)

945 Back in June, we were pretty sure from the way things were looking that the Supreme Court was going to toss Obamacare. When Roberts stabbed us in the back, we were devastated

There was a lot of confidence and packing of pudding cups since the first debate, and when we lost it was devastating in a way that being behind the whole way wouldn't have been. When Fat Man stabbed us in the back with his blowjob of TFG with Sandy, I had a really bad feeling about it, and you could tell that the Romney campaign was dealt a huge sucker punch

It's not Rush, Hannity, or Beck who have to get tossed, it's the backstabbers and Judas's like Christie, Roberts, Boehner, and the professional campaign consultants from the Bush era

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 01:03 PM (wwsoB)

946 “Could We Fix An Election – Sure. They Would Never Know It”
http://tinyurl.com/b5598lz

People everywhere are starting to ask a lot of questions. If the majority of the people you know voted one way and it appears not to be reflected in the outcomes you begin asking questions.

Especially disturbing are the folks who say it was a bipartisan effort.

I'd also like to know why the President wants to tax those Americans who are successful in life, monumentally, probably destroying a lot of their savings and accomplishments when he could simply tax corporations. Maybe asking corporations instead of people to |pay their fair share" might help the country, might be patriotic and might allow the successful to create jobs?

Posted by: Caustic at November 09, 2012 01:03 PM (/b8+5)

947 I'll tote a bucket or two, but dammed if I'm gonna fill your bath.

Posted by: lost confidence at November 09, 2012 01:05 PM (q1RJB)

948 It's not Rush, Hannity, or Beck who have to get tossed, it's the backstabbers and Judas's like Christie, Roberts, Boehner, and the professional campaign consultants from the Bush era

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 01:03 PM (wwsoB)

Ann Coulter tried to defend Christie. He was indefenseable.

Lost power for ten days. Before the hurricane we were headed to a total trouncing, was astonished when the power returned to see teh bromance and changing tide. Christie is a conservative democrat. He doesn't fit in there so he chose republican, cause all he wanted was the power.

Posted by: Caustic at November 09, 2012 01:07 PM (/b8+5)

949 "If the majority of the people you know voted one way and it appears not
to be reflected in the outcomes you begin asking questions."

The vote in some area could have historically been 100% Republican until one day, it suddenly goes 100% Democrat and the Republican Party would be unlikely to do anything to find out what happened.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 09, 2012 01:10 PM (vd7A8)

950 I can tell you why SOME people want to go to college: to enjoy the social life (while someone else pays for them to get the degree that they think they are entitled to).

When I was in college, I attended (and stayed in a dorm on campus at large state supported public university, uh NC State) summer school. Don't ask why. That's beside the point.

I am causcasian, and I can tell you that I was the only white person in my suite. I don't know what percentage of the summer school attendees were minorities, but I felt like one that summer. I lived with a white girl who actually was really into hanging with and dating members of black fraternities. She had no use for white men.

I was befuddled why I was the only white girl practically on the whole floor of the dorm. It didn't bother me so much except our lifestyles really were different. These black gals I lived with (and my roommate) would literally start getting ready to go out at night at 11 pm. They'd be out ALL night, come in at about 7 am (while I was getting ready to go to my first class), take a 3 hour nap and go to afternoon classes. They'd come back in, study a little, take another nap and get ready to go out again for the night. Study and school were not the focus for most of these people. . . I believe the highlight for them was the social life.

My sister said, "Do you think these folks really want to go home for the summer or get a job when they can party all summer?"

College should NOT be a right for anyone, I don't care what color you are. Because I saw plenty of white folks using the "regular" academic year to focus on their social lives too. If you want to get a college degree, I think you should either (1) pay for it or (2) earn it by making good grades and proving you want to be there. Somewhere between the time I started college in 1991 and now, college became a "human right". Now it's totally diluted, and college degrees don't mean a damn thing since anybody can get one.

College should be a privilege. And getting a degree should be EARNING a degree. Liberals have ruined higher education.

I don't know why, but I felt like ranting on this.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 01:28 PM (W5c4e)

951 I'll repeat: I'm never going to vote for Chris Christie.

I don't trust him anymore.
He's not tough; he's obnoxious.
And a man that can't get his weight under control should be held to the same standards housewives are held to after having at least three kids. (You know, they get discarded or criticized because they "let themselves go". . . men have no excuses for their fatness unless they have some truly life threatening illness they could not help.)

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 09, 2012 01:31 PM (W5c4e)

952 Maybe asking corporations instead of people to |pay their fair share" might help the country, might be patriotic and might allow the successful to create jobs?
Posted by: Caustic at November 09, 2012 01:03 PM (/b8+5)

Where do you think they money they get to pay 'taxes' comes from?

Posted by: blindside at November 09, 2012 01:36 PM (x7g7t)

953 The last thing this country needs is more sanctimonious morons (an entire fucking race of parasites, no less) who think robbing peter to pay paul (or however it goes) is a valid means to prosperity.

Posted by: Ben(the original) at November 09, 2012 09:04 PM (c2ddD)

954 There ain't no such thing anymore called the republican party, that entity is now known as the democrat's punching bag. republicans will never win another election.

Posted by: HEP-T at November 09, 2012 09:53 PM (zyOCu)






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