Top Headline Comments 11-9-12

ICYMI, be sure to read John E.'s post on Project Orca from yesterday. It's being linked and retweeted by practically everyone on the Internets.

Breitbart.com has more information on this clusterf***.

Posted by: Andy at 06:39 AM



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1
Good morning morons.
WaPo headline: "West Nile virus may have mutated, doctors report severe brain damage not seen in past victims"
That explains Tuesday.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 09, 2012 06:41 AM (GWAVD)

2 Morning all.

Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 09, 2012 06:43 AM (zxrQh)

3 Good Morning Morons. Today is Friday, November 09, 2012. On this day in 1938 Nazi brown shirts went on a rampage burning and looting Jewish Temples and stores in what became known as Kristallnacht. Perhaps we need some of that now to hit against the offices of the MFM who have become the enemies of the US taxpayer. We can call it Kommiestallnacht.


LOL, Andy snuck in early!

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:44 AM (YdQQY)

4 And so the stupid rhetoric and maneuvering begins. Here is the headline:

Budget office: “Fiscal cliff' cuts, tax hikes would lead to recession


Austere "fiscal cliff" tax increases and federal spending cuts set for the end of the year would send the economy back into recession and cause a spike in the jobless rate to 9.1 percent by next fall, congressional budget analysts said Thursday.



I have some news for you dolts. We have never recovered from the 2008 “recession” and unemployment is already at 20%.

http://is.gd/7tJfZl

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:45 AM (YdQQY)

5 San Francisco will start covering the cost of “transgender surgeries” for uninsured. Meanwhile the streets are still open air sewers. There is a reason Charleston is now the vacation city of choice.

http://is.gd/WercPJ

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:45 AM (YdQQY)

6 Crying Boner said yesterday he was open to “revenue increases”. Bitch McConnell has responded “no tax hikes” period. My desire is give them nothing or give them everything and crash the system.

http://is.gd/Z8bMrd

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:45 AM (YdQQY)

7 7 members of Seal Team Six have received NJP for revealing information about the Ben Laden raid to a video game maker. My question is “what classified info is left”. The JEF has already revealed everything about the raid including the person who ratted out Ben Laden. Is he going to get NJP?

http://is.gd/jEvfv8

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (YdQQY)

8 Good morning, kids. Sun's up, coffee's hot and kitteh is cuddling. It's good to be alive.

Day 3. 1,457 to go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (XkWWK)

9 Las Vegas business owner lays off 22 employees yesterday as a direct result of Obama getting reelected and Obamacare being now unavoidable.

http://is.gd/zLY8gk

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (YdQQY)

10 JJJ in plea deal with feds over his corrupt use of campaign funds. He’ll plea to inadvertent forgetfulness and receive a strongly worded letter. That is as soon as he gets out of the sanitarium.

http://is.gd/GMFJBA

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (YdQQY)

11 I have been following Ekdahl's twitter account for awhile now and noticed his hints on Orca the day after the election. What I found most interesting is the recognition he received from some of the journolists on the left. Wondering if any of them were thinking how bold it was for John to do actual reporting, even if it didn't show our side in a positive light - you know, actual truth-telling. Hopefully, we'll start to see some of the same from them.

Posted by: Laura Irish at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (81d4R)

12 First rule of software is test, test, test.
Second rule: see first rule.
Third rule: Have a backup system in place for critical systems. Do not abandon working system -- even paper based -- until new system has
been determined to be rock solid.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (feFL6)

13 Boner confident on reaching a deal for amnesty with the communists who now run the country.

http://is.gd/PEz5NH

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)

14 Corrupt Vegas pederast says he will raise the debt limit to $18T dollars. Fuck him, make it $100T or nothing.

http://is.gd/JjP4IP

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)

15 In case you missed it yesterday. Vote count for West is showing some good signs.

http://is.gd/Wahszo

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)

16 NRO’s Heather Mac Donald weighs in on the BS GOP Hispanic issue. She pretty much agrees with everything I said yesterday. Hispanics are not going for Dems because of amnesty issues. They are going for Dems because they want the same free government cheese that other minorities want. IOW, the bottom line is if you grant another round of amnesty and wind up with 20 million new “citizens” they will be 20 million new democrat voters.

http://is.gd/YJaW5E

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)

17 Byron York also says GOP needs a candidate not shifts to the left for Hispanics. So as I said yesterday, the GOP needs to get a conservative plank out there and invite all groups to join based on that plank. We do not need two Democrat Parties. There is a reason a large number of Republican voters stayed at home Tuesday and it is not because we somehow “offend” Hispanic voters.


Reading over Ace’s Larry Sabato post from last night I see he has finally come around to the idea that Obama didn’t win the election because there is some new shift in the demographics. He won because Romney failed to inspire the base to come out and vote. We thought we had a wave and Obama had a sinkhole. Well, Obama did have a 10M vote sinkhole, but we had a 3M vote one too.


When is the fucking worthless RNC going to learn that lackluster “Moderate” candidates do not inspire the base? Change the Primaries NOW RNC before you become a third Party.


http://is.gd/h0JBHf

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

18 Some good news for MI Morons from the election. The unions lost 2 and won 1 in ballot issues.

http://is.gd/o7OQ4k

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

19 Heritage will host a “Google Hangout” at noon today for conservatives with a discussion on plans. Link to event is here.

http://is.gd/JlIMyL

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

20 DeMint blasts the corrupt pederast on his “filibuster reform”. Too bad he is retiring after this run. He is one of the few truly conservative Senators that we have.

http://is.gd/Cp7mAS

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:49 AM (YdQQY)

21 Kindle Daily Deal:


Twelve Months


Don DiMarco lives a wonderful life with a family he loves, a comfortable lifestyle, and amusing passions and interests. He also thinks he has time, but some terminal news changes that. Summoning a dormant inner strength, Don seeks to prove 12 months is enough to live a life in full.



And that’s it for Friday.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:49 AM (YdQQY)

22 Boehner is publicly rebuked by Rep Fleming for "getting ahead" of House GOP on amnesty.

Can't we find someone to primary Boehner?

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 09, 2012 06:50 AM (2ihLK)

23 On wednesday I got a tea party email about the end of republican elites choosing the nominee. Seems that the tea party decided Mitt was impure.

100 years of progressivism from Teddy R and Woodrow WIlson got us where we are and these fucking tea party assholes demand it be reversed in one election and sat this one out.

Fuck the tea party and the horse they rode in on.

Posted by: Dodging bullets in Chicago at November 09, 2012 06:50 AM (wfEvd)

24 ORCA or no ORCA, 3 million people consciously decided they hated not having a conservative more than they hated SCOAMF and so decided to destroy what's left of the country. That is completely unforgivable.

And now that Cry Baby is going full bore Quisling, it is imperative that we take back the party, starting NOW.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 06:51 AM (XkWWK)

25 A note on stuff from the ONT

1) I note from the county by County map that y county went blue. I fully expected that as it is normal. We are roughly 42% black and that means the R's really have to get out the vote to win.


2) Now this is a WTF moment on Utah. I note that EVERY county in the State is RED. So Why did not Mia Love win her run????

Utah Morons/'Ettes help us out here!

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:52 AM (YdQQY)

26 Day 3. 1,457 to go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (XkWWK)

Oh crap....that's not a good way to start the day....ugh.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 06:53 AM (X6akg)

27 Day 3. 1,457 to go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (XkWWK)

Damn JJ, that is depressing. If I have to daily count 1457 off I will go crazy.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:53 AM (YdQQY)

28 Can't we find someone to primary Boehner?


Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 09, 2012 06:50 AM (2ihLK)

Too late for that. What we need to do is get one of the six House members from SC to knock him out of the SOH job.
(The impeach the JEF and Plugs)

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:57 AM (YdQQY)

29 They told me if I didn't support Romney in the primaries, the GOP candidate's campaign would be a disorganized mess.

They were right.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 06:57 AM (uhAkr)

30 I remember my son helping out at the polls -- probably over 15 years ago. The party gave him a data base of voters and he checked them off on his computer as they voted. At a certain point he resorted the data and printed out lists of voters to call. The lists got divided between other volunteers, calls got made, volunteers picked up voters, etc.

Simple system that worked.

Not nearly as efficient as the system used in Philadelphia where 99% of voters turned out, a model of efficiency seen only in Soviet Russia.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 06:57 AM (feFL6)

31 ORCA was a failure.

The much bigger failure is the refusal to address the massive and widespread cheating engaged in by the dems in every election.
Somehow where the republicans were kicked out in Philly the voters were over 90 percent for obama. my what a friggin miracle.

Posted by: dandalo at November 09, 2012 06:58 AM (GAJm6)

32 100 years of progressivism from Teddy R and Woodrow
WIlson got us where we are and these fucking tea party assholes demand
it be reversed in one election and sat this one out.



Fuck the tea party and the horse they rode in on.

Posted by: Dodging bullets in Chicago at November 09, 2012 06:50 AM (wfEvd)

How do you know it was Tea Party that sat it out? You got a link?

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:58 AM (YdQQY)

33 "How do you know it was Tea Party that sat it out? You got a link?"

He >knows.

The evidence is piling up - Obama committed widescale fraud while Romney was trying to find his ass with his hands.

Competency candidate...ugh...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 07:00 AM (uhAkr)

34 That should actually read 'parts of Philadelphia' -- I'm sure not all of the city pulled that scam.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:01 AM (feFL6)

35 What really, truly needs to be addressed is voter fraud. It keeps growing because we keep saying, "Well, the election has to be really close for them to be able to flip it with fraud alone." Well, that may be true (for now). Voter fraud, by itself, may not have flipped this election. But it works in sync with other factors.

If Allen West does indeed win his recount... depending upon by how much he does... that should be a BIG red flag, I think.

Posted by: TLGM at November 09, 2012 07:02 AM (appbn)

36 There two things that we KNOW:

1. The JEF won


2. Romney got 3M votes less than the incompetent McCain who actively stuck his thumb in the Conservative's eye at every opportunity.


All of the rest of the shit right now is speculation until some trustworthy outfit interviews at least a thousand Republicans that sat it out and can tell us why they sat it out.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:03 AM (YdQQY)

37 When is the fucking worthless RNC going to learn that lackluster “Moderate” candidates do not inspire the base? Change the Primaries NOW RNC before you become a third Party.


http://is.gd/h0JBHf
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)


Great article by the great Jeffrey Lord about this very subject. We've had 80 years of moderate candidates who got their asses whipped.

The fact is the Republican establishment HATES conservatives as much as the left. And the fail to realize that without us, they would go the way of the Whigs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:03 AM (XkWWK)

38 Let. It. Burn.

Hey, have you guys considered bringing back the DOOM series of posts? It seems appropriate.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 07:04 AM (a0nis)

39 37 Oops

Jeffrey Lord's piece is over on yesterday's American Spectator.

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/11/08/when-conservatism-is-a-secon

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:04 AM (XkWWK)

40 I don't care if voter fraud flipped the election. Since childhood we learn not to play with cheaters.

If there is fraud, Obama is illegitimate and the election is a sham. Period.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 07:06 AM (uhAkr)

41 The fact is the Republican establishment HATES
conservatives as much as the left. And the fail to realize that without
us, they would go the way of the Whigs.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:03 AM (XkWWK)

Yeah, they will do another deal with the enemy MFM to hold Primary debates again.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:06 AM (YdQQY)

42 Good morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes. I’m going on a media fast for the rest of the year, so I won’t (and can’t) link to it, but apparently Massachusetts’ new Senator Spreading Bull had a disaster of a press conference yesterday, so incoherent and clownish that even the Boston Globe wonders if it was petulance at actually having to answer questions or evidence that Warren is a complete airhead. You’ll have to find it yourselves.

Today’s story is about the 1968 horror film Rosemary’s Baby. If you’ve seen it, you’ll recall that one of the most frightening scenes is where Rosemary Woodhouse (Mia Farrow) is stripped and then raped by Satan. It took director Roman Polanski several takes before the sequence finally looked as chilling as he wanted it, which meant that Farrow and the extra* playing the devil were in rather intimate proximity for several hours.

When Polanski finally got the shot he wanted and called “print it!”, the extra got out of the bed he and Farrow had shared, formally introduced himself and said politely, “Miss Farrow, I want to tell you what a pleasure it’s been working with you.”

And that’s it for today. I’ll be back on Monday with a new story.

*“Official” references say that the part of Satan was played by an actor named Clay Tanner; however, other versions of the story say that the role was played by Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 07:06 AM (zF6Iw)

43 @17

We were told on this very blog the what was needed was a moderate and not some wild eyed conservative or god forbid a Tea Party candidate and that social issues were a loser.

Well it turns out this fucking campaign was won on social issues and not the economy.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 07:06 AM (0fxcV)

44 Since I've been awake since 330 I did a little research on getting the hell out of here. I think I have setteled on Uraguay.Looks easy enough. I have to prove $500 monthly income, prove who I am with bc and marriage/divorce records. Have a pap and mamogram within 3 months of applying and whamo I'm laying on a beach without the JEF in my face everyday. It's early yet in my reasearch but seeing the number 1,457 posted above makes me think I am onto something here!

Posted by: Molly k. at November 09, 2012 07:07 AM (OCkzq)

45 Hey, have you guys considered bringing back the DOOM series of posts? It seems appropriate.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 07:04 AM (a0nis)

That was Monty. Maybe ace can get ahold of him to restart.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:07 AM (YdQQY)

46


ORCA, reminds me of a rather apt quote by Winston Churchill after the Anzio debacle. (paraphrasing)

"I thought we were unleashing a tiger on the beach at Anzio, but all we got was a beached whale."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:07 AM (XkWWK)

47 (Preliminary 2012 turnouts vs 200
Romney 2012 as a percentage of McCain 2008: 96. 8719231790625%
Obama 2012 as a percentage of Obama 2008: 87.8622997727352%

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 07:08 AM (opS9C)

48 First rule of software is test, test, test. Second rule: see first rule.Third rule: Have a backup system in place for critical systems. Do not abandon working system -- even paper based -- until new system hasbeen determined to be rock solid.

Fourth rule: no poofters!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 07:09 AM (zF6Iw)

49 27 Day 3. 1,457 to go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 06:46 AM (XkWWK)

Damn JJ, that is depressing. If I have to daily count 1457 off I will go crazy.
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:53 AM (YdQQY)


Hey Vic. Even more depressing is the fact that when we get to 1 day left, Hillary or Joe Bidet might be the next president, because we will no doubt nominate Jeb Bush and Chris Christie.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:10 AM (XkWWK)

50 Well it turns out this fucking campaign was won on social issues and not the economy.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 07:06 AM (0fxcV)

You are going to have to explain the logic behind that. Personally I don't consider "social issues" to be necessarily "conservative". The Catholic Church is about has hard on "social issues" as anyone in the country but they are also favorites of the Democrat Party and free government cheese.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:11 AM (YdQQY)

51 let it burn.

Posted by: trailortrash at November 09, 2012 07:11 AM (xllDV)

52 Sixty years ago blacks accused whites of disenfranchising them. When a overwhelmingly black ward in Philadelphia claims some astonishingly high voter turnout -- one that strains the bounds of credibility -- then I say my vote was disenfranchised.

But whites can never make the charge of racism or disenfranchisement. Because STFU that's why.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:11 AM (feFL6)

53 because we will no doubt nominate Jeb Bush and Chris Christie.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:10 AM (XkWWK)

Damn JJ, are you trying to drive me to drink this morning?

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:13 AM (YdQQY)

54 52 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:11 AM (feFL6)

It's the OJ verdict all over again. The civil rights movement, after Dr. King, was - IS - not about justice. It's all about REVENGE.

There's that word again. Hmmm.....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:14 AM (XkWWK)

55 @53

Well, it's as good a way as any to get through the next four years.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 07:14 AM (a0nis)

56 Any way you cut it or analyze it that commie prick is back in the White House for 4 more years and we are all hosed. ON the bright side, shit there is no bright side. Fuck. Morning all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2012 07:14 AM (79ueO)

57 53 Damn JJ, are you trying to drive me to drink this morning?
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:13 AM (YdQQY)

Well, as I sometimes sarcastically invoke Passover, "why should this morning NOT be like every other morning?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:15 AM (XkWWK)

58 17 When is the fucking worthless RNC going to learn that lackluster “Moderate” candidates do not inspire the base?

That's a load of crap.
If the prospect of Obamacare, the EPA gone wild, and four more years of teh JEF didn't inspire the base, they're dead, Jim.
Fuck the RINO voters. You CANNOT call yourself a conservative OR a Republican and ACTIVELY help your country into a death spiral.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 07:15 AM (d0Dmj)

59 Horde liquor now before QE3 really kicks in. I hear wine gets better with age.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 07:16 AM (a0nis)

60 47 Baldy: Most recent numbers re higher:

Obama 2012/2008 = 0.880172318094789

Romney 2012/2008: = 0.970236607446691

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 07:16 AM (opS9C)

61 56 Any way you cut it or analyze it that commie prick is back in the White House for 4 more years and we are all hosed. ON the bright side, shit there is no bright side. Fuck. Morning all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2012 07:14 AM (79ueO)


Does this mean you'll have to change your moniker from Nevergiveup, to "Kamerade! Nicht Schiessen!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:16 AM (XkWWK)

62 Yeah, Chris Christie is gonna have plenty of time on his hands in two years. He'll be lucky to escape a primary challenge much less the half million advantage the Dems showed on Tuesday.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:17 AM (feFL6)

63 58 You CANNOT call yourself a conservative OR a Republican and ACTIVELY help your country into a death spiral.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 07:15 AM (d0Dmj)

THIS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:17 AM (XkWWK)

64 I would enjoy an On The Bright Side post


Obama won but on the bright side more people will have lots of free time now.

Obama won. On the bright side I'm likely to lose weight walking everywhere once gas hits 5 dollars a gallon.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 07:17 AM (+VMZ0)

65 We here all know the dem reputation for voter fraud and our unwillingness to stop it has resulted in a half-assed comic becoming a senator ( I know..open goal on that one, please, somebody, go ahead and state the obvious..)

So why as a party do we never address it? Let me add one more thing to my list -

To save the Republic we must
1) oust the lefties from our schools
2) expose and destroy the msm
3) support the arts produced by conservatives
4)oust the lefties from centers of higher ed.
5) expose voter fraud and maintain voting integrity...for every ACORN, there should be a conservative org to nail their butts to the wall.

Forget about Cloward-Piven..these animals have gone full Gramsci on us.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 09, 2012 07:17 AM (53riN)

66 Fuck the RINO voters. You CANNOT call yourself a
conservative OR a Republican and ACTIVELY help your country into a death
spiral.


Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 07:15 AM (d0Dmj)

The evidence speaks for itself.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:18 AM (YdQQY)

67 @56

We still have the House. And you know you can count on Boner!

...Yeah, dark days are here to stay.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 07:18 AM (a0nis)

68 DAve in FLA (from ONT) -thanks for the great analysis (and good luck on your run) Your post last night shows R did a better in almost all FL counties except Miami where he did worse which looks odd Yes Miami may be some schenaigans there but R should have improved sizably on McCain's numbers, not just meet them
Also on FL - even the Dems were putting FL in the R camp even up to mid to late Tues - any thoughts on why it went from +3/4 R to narrow O win?
Dave and Others - Iam still trying to reconcile all the evidence of strong GOP turnout (Ras, Gallup, EV, anecdotal) with a D+7 turnout result
yes there was probably fraud - esp in Philly But it feels like we are arguing over a questionable holding call that led to our team losing by a FG at the end of the game when our team should have been up by 2TDs
As #36 notes we need to find out why the most energized GOP ever didn't translate into actual votes

Posted by: NoBama12 at November 09, 2012 07:18 AM (ykY2u)

69 62 Yeah, Chris Christie is gonna have plenty of time on his hands in two years. He'll be lucky to escape a primary challenge much less the half million advantage the Dems showed on Tuesday.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:17 AM (feFL6)


I'd lay even money that Krispy Kreme pulls an Arlen Specter within 3 years and runs as Hillary's veep.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:18 AM (XkWWK)

70 Conservatism is now a resistance movement, that much is clear. The GOP, the RNC, they no longer represent our interests. 2016 will bring another failed moderate into the battlefield and the GOP will fail yet again, but there will always be an undercurrent of perseverance and fighting spirit in the ranks of true conservatives. The question is...how do we eliminate our enemies in both parties and save the republic?

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 07:19 AM (oxs+O)

71 Congrats to John E. (and Ace) for some solid original reporting on ORCA. What a dud. Romney's organizational skillz were a tad oversold.

A note on debt limit increase.....note how carefully the last one was calibrated to last just past the 2012 elections. Reid is up to that again......why is the number he seeks for the next increase set at $2.4 trillion? Because with a built in fudge factor, that increase should safely get them beyond the 2014 mid-terms. That's why he wants that number, out of all the possible increases he could ask for.

Are our House dogs going to follow meekly along once again? The last increase was planned to just get us through the 2012 vote.

Quit playing their game! Make the next increase for $1.5 trillion, or no limit. Put the election in play, or let them own the increases forever.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 09, 2012 07:19 AM (ccXZP)

72 I think I have setteled on Uraguay.Looks easy enough. I have to prove
$500 monthly income, prove who I am with bc and marriage/divorce
records. Have a pap and mamogram within 3 months of applying and whamo
I'm laying on a beach without the JEF in my face everyday.

----------------


That sounds pretty appealing, Molly K. If I didn't have family ties here, I'd be out shopping today for a new beach towel and some sunscreen.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 07:19 AM (P6QsQ)

73 If the prospect of Obamacare, the EPA gone wild, and four more years of teh JEF didn't inspire the base, they're dead, Jim.
Fuck
the RINO voters. You CANNOT call yourself a conservative OR a
Republican and ACTIVELY help your country into a death spiral.

This. If you sat home or voted Gary Pureheart Johnson don't tell me; I might kick you in the nuts.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 07:20 AM (+VMZ0)

74 good morning!!! we are all fucked!!!! but the good news is el kabong told us last night that his girlfriends obamabot friend who got laid off yesterday!!!!! ah, wonderful news!!! yes she'll be receiving unemployment for 99 wks...but it won't cover her previous life style! and wait 'til she has to make the decision of paying for COBRA to cover her health care or paying her rent! no mercy for the ones that voted for him!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 07:20 AM (Ho2rs)

75 Great article today from Kraut on granting amnesty (click link). GOP: appeal to your natural Hispanic constituency or die. These are, for the most part, hard-working, conservative people. Embrace them.

Another tough pill that should be swallowed: Stop making ourselves look like idiots every time a class warfare Dem mentions raising taxes on the rich. This is their #1 issue, it's the one that won the election for Obama. As long as we keep going down the WSJ-Sean Hannity road on this one, we are setting ourselves up for failure.

Posted by: Cricket at November 09, 2012 07:20 AM (DrC22)

76 The seeds of our destruction were sown by the midget Greek when he brought up abortion out of thin air at a primary debate. It was further pushed during the fluke affair.

Their side was constantly pushing abortion, contraceptives and the war on woman angle, these are social issues.

Our side talked about math and bored the base their side talked about social issues and energized theirs to the extent that they needed.

It's really that simple.

Why did we turn out 3 million fewer voters than McCain?

I'll tell you why, McCain had palin and Romney had Ryan.

Palin is inspiring and energizing and Ryan as nice as he is is a dud.

It's as simple as that.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 07:20 AM (0fxcV)

77 enjoy the disappointment when they find out santa is not real!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 07:22 AM (Ho2rs)

78 @ Vic #7 When I was on active duty from 1989 to 1993 there was a joke amongst some of the enlisted to the effect that "real Marines had a page 11 entry" it derived from the famous Chesty Puller quote "Take me to the Brig. I want to see the real Marines."

I had a few, one for underage drinking, and when I stood before the Colonel a big man from Kansas that would return a salute and say "howdy" he said "Son we've all touched the firewater a bit early, don't get caught again." and then he sentenced me to some extra duty and a page 11 entry.

The Marine corps used to be full of Leaders, not cover your ass political ladder climbers like we have now.

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 07:22 AM (6J+oK)

79 Crying Boner said yesterday he was open to “revenue increases”. Bitch McConnell has responded “no tax hikes” period.

Hey Vic, Bitch McConnell is just setting up his "negotiating position" here. Remember that he allowed the ObamaScare vote to proceed so he could go home for Christmas.

Translated, that means Boner is being himself, a worthless, spineless hack who just wants to be able to play the DC game, while McConnell is waiting for some sort of pathetic "reason" (or personal payoff) to cave.

Notice, too, that an increasing number of so-called conservatives are being converted to the religion of amnesty (Teh Kraut, Hannity, et al) to boy off a voting bloc.

How many basic principles are we going to sacrifice to pimp for votes? It's Poppin' Fresh Politics, baby!

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 07:23 AM (yKUrR)

80 32 100 years of progressivism from Teddy R and Woodrow
WIlson got us where we are and these fucking tea party assholes demand
it be reversed in one election and sat this one out.

Fuck the tea party and the horse they rode in on.

Posted by: Dodging bullets in Chicago at November 09, 2012 06:50 AM (wfEvd)


No. Fuck you.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 07:23 AM (SLg2R)

81 Lets fight this ideology war now during the lame duck and start 2013 unified in our approach towards the mid-terms and 2016.

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 07:23 AM (6J+oK)

82 If there is fraud, Obama is illegitimate and the election is a sham. Period.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 07:06 AM (uhAkr)



I prefer my version.


But once we begin to question the integrity of the voting process (as indeed we should), then all the many other problems we face sort of take second place. Voting integrity rests on two factors vote counting fraud and voter ID fraud. There should be a national movement to insist that all voting methods have a verifiable paper trail to insure that we believe that the recorded count is valid. There should be a national movement to require both a valid voter ID and registration (at some point weeks prior to the election). The states could (and probably should) make a voter ID that is free and offer every assistance to anyone claiming an inability to pay for an ID or to appear at a county office to register.


If we don't trust the vote (and right now I don't), then the actual candidate and platform promises are meaningless process noise.I prefer my version. But once we begin to question the integrity of the voting process (as indeed we should), then all the many other problems we face sort of take second place. There should be a national

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 09, 2012 07:24 AM (Cnqmv)

83 appeal to your natural Hispanic constituency or die. These are, for the
most part, hard-working, conservative people. Embrace them.
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I have a hard time squaring that with the fact that Obama gained 3 points with Hispanic Catholics this election over 2008.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 07:24 AM (P6QsQ)

84 I don't think Romney was that bad of a candidate.

First of all, this election was about spending and jobs, and he was pretty good and that. He's for the free market and wanted to cut spending and do tax reform. This is what we need.

Social conservatives can note that Akin/Murdoch promoted their positions on no abortion in the case of rape and it did not go down well. Akin lost in Missouri, which is not San Francisco.

Not to mention Romney is a mormon. A little so-con is implied there.

Also, Romney had no scandals, except being a rich guy and saying 47%. Newt may be awesome but he has some real skeletons out of the closet and Cain had them in the closet.

Romney was fairly articulate.

I think we need to digest everything a bit more.

I suspect he lost due to a combination of factors, many of which are out of his control.

If I had to choose one, I would say the Mainstream Media. Not sure what we can do about that.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:25 AM (1fvrg)

85 @ 49

Yup. Thought about that yesterday. Once the dust settles a bit more, won't surprise me at all if we start to see the subtle first signs of "Jeb" being foisted upon us.

In a related note, I heard something driving in this morning, that his son, George P. Bush, filed some paperwork in Texas for something political. Unfortunately didn't catch the details.

Well, the grassroots should get busy finding some real good 2014 senate candidates. There's step 1.

Posted by: Pete at November 09, 2012 07:25 AM (+GIS3)

86 Fuck your natural Hispanic constituency myth. Christ, this party really is doomed if this is our discourse now.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 07:25 AM (a/3Pu)

87 76 Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 07:20 AM (0fxcV)


Beg to differ. Ryan's a solid and intelligent conservative. Mitt's a nice guy and good businessman, but he's no conservative. He's an establishment guy and the establishment ran a lousy campaign. And the base decided it better to kill the country than to swallow a bitter pill, hold the nose and pull the lever.

Well, here we are. And we can run conservatives for the next 100 years and even win, but the damage is now done. And it is fatal.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:26 AM (XkWWK)

88 The Marine corps used to be full of Leaders, not cover your ass political ladder climbers like we have now.

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 07:22 AM (6J+oK)



Yep.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 07:26 AM (SLg2R)

89 64 I would enjoy an On The Bright Side post

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 07:17 AM (+VMZ0)
Obama won! On the bright side, once we are invaded I'll finally get to study more languages ! Russian; Arabic; Chinese...

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 09, 2012 07:27 AM (53riN)

90 We lose because Obama and Reid have America in a head lock, holding a gun to her head yelling, “DROP THE GUN! “

Let's risk winging her in the temple and “shoot “ those fuckers in the “forehead “.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 09, 2012 07:27 AM (XNl0X)

91 Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 07:17 AM (+VMZ0)

On the bright side, I don't have to invent or learn new acronyms for Teh Won.

On the bright side, I'll wind up with more guns and ammo.

On the bright side, I'll be broke quicker, making me have to make hard decisions all that much sooner.

On the bright side, I've always wanted to learn more Spanish.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 09, 2012 07:27 AM (ccXZP)

92 @64

Obama won! On the bright side, these QE3 bills are great for rolling my legal joints.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 07:28 AM (a0nis)

93 Hannity really has become a flaming irritant. And Levin was on a tear about it. He singled out Krauthammer and "other pundits" but I swear he was on the verge of naming Hannity, who happens to be one of his closest friends.

I imagine he probably called him and read him the riot act over the phone. Hope so.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:29 AM (XkWWK)

94 @84

Akin and mordock lost because they were abandoned by the party.

This election was not about the economy once Romney came out and said that Obama inherited a tough hand.

Also obamacare was never a factor as romneycare was the progenitor.

And once you start talking numbers people stop listening after a few minutes.

No this election was lost over social issues

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 07:29 AM (0fxcV)

95 Fuck the tea party and the horse they rode in on.


First: Yes, ORCA was a clusterfuck.


Second: Dodge, at the end of the night, I had a drink with another TEA partier who I hadn't seen in a while. We didn't sit out. Bite me.

Posted by: fluffy, ORCist at November 09, 2012 07:29 AM (z9HTb)

96 Yup. Thought about that yesterday. Once the dust settles a bit more, won't surprise me at all if we start to see the subtle first signs of "Jeb" being foisted upon us.

It's already started.

No.

Fuck No.

No fuckin' way.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 07:29 AM (SLg2R)

97 1
Good morning morons.
WaPo headline: "West Nile virus may have mutated, doctors report severe brain damage not seen in past victims"
That explains Tuesday.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 09, 2012 06:41 AM (GWAVD

Thanks for the smile this morning

Posted by: Mountainturtle at November 09, 2012 07:29 AM (AAWyn)

98 92

On the dark side, gas will be $10.00/gal.


On the bright side, I won't need to use as much gas because I no longer have a job to go to.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 09, 2012 07:31 AM (Cnqmv)

99 hh

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 07:31 AM (MSrqi)

100 Does this mean you'll have to change your moniker from Nevergiveup, to "Kamerade! Nicht Schiessen!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:16 AM (XkWWK)


Hell NO. Arm myself to the teeth ( so to speak ) and go underground if I have to.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2012 07:31 AM (79ueO)

101 The Marine corps used to be full of Leaders, not cover your ass political ladder climbers like we have now.



Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 07:22 AM


From an outside perspective -- I am not a Marine, sadly -- I see plenty of Leaders in today's Corps. They simply can't get past the chairborne hacks and REMFs in DC.

Every Marine I've met would make a better president than Choom Boy. A patriot is always better than a traitor.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 07:31 AM (yKUrR)

102 I heard a lot of talk about people appreciating being told the truth about our economic situation. That voters appreciated being talked to by the candidates as if they were adults. That voters liked it when candidates were honest with them.

Turns out, not so much.

Turns out voters like being pandered to and told the government will take care of them from cradle to grave and it won't cost them a cent.

Another talking point bites the dust.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 07:31 AM (P6QsQ)

103 75 Posted by: Cricket at November 09, 2012 07:20 AM (DrC22)

This whole pandering to Hispanics is a joke. We have more Hispanics in Congress than the Dems do.

The fact is that illegals come here for the freebies. McLame was offering it as a central campaign promise and he got fucked in the ass by that group as a gracias.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:32 AM (XkWWK)

104 "Turns out voters like being pandered to and told the government will take care of them from cradle to grave and it won't cost them a cent."

No, if that were true Mittens would've won.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 07:33 AM (oxs+O)

105 Posted by: Molly k.
.............
http://tinyurl.com/azcfmfh

Cost of living in Uruguay (in dollars).. not too bad! Something to think about, I guess!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 09, 2012 07:33 AM (UTq/I)

106 100 Hell NO. Arm myself to the teeth ( so to speak ) and go underground if I have to.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2012 07:31 AM (79ueO)

Will have to talk to you further bout that...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:33 AM (XkWWK)

107 I just hope Thomas and Scalia hate the left enough to hang in there for another 4 years. And that Kennedy isnt that much interested in retirement.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 09, 2012 07:34 AM (8EBWh)

108

Fuck the tea party and the horse they rode in on.

Posted by: Dodging bullets in Chicago at November 09, 2012 06:50 AM (wfEvd)

Well good morning! Have a nice day and fuck you too!

Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at November 09, 2012 07:34 AM (NBj0d)

109 Face it, you TEA Party types just don't understand the yearning of the American populace for a dynastic approach to Presidential leadership.

That's why I'm supporting Jeb BUSH in 2016!

Call 1-555-3825-968 now with your pledge!

Posted by: Karl Rover at November 09, 2012 07:35 AM (Cnqmv)

110 "I have a hard time squaring that with the fact that Obama gained 3 points with Hispanic Catholics this election over 2008."

If you do not attempt to solicit their votes they will never vote for you.

Do you wish to have another automatic constituency for Democrats, like blacks are?

That is extremely dangerous.

And soliciting their vote does not automatically mean that you have to pander.

Here's my suggestion. I know several illegal aliens that are only "illegal" because they are afraid or lazy to get their papers done. One is married to a US citizen and has 3 kids who were born here.

If she wanted to get a green card, she could easily go back to Mexico and simply apply for one. But they get scared because "what if" and frankly, our immigration officials are the biggest assholes on the planet. You think the DMV is bad? Imagine the DMV with the arbitrary power to fuck your life up.

So, this is a small segment, but it does exist. What should the GOP do?

We should set up a program where these types of people can get fast-tracked. I would let them get approved here, but make them return to Mexico to get the final documents, mainly to make it fair to the other legal immigrants and to create a rite of passage.

The GOP could charter plans to fly them down "Citiizenship Flights" and greet them upon return with a ceremony.

Little things. Things that say "we don't hate you because you are brown." I know. I know. But THEY think we think that.

You could do a program for vets and kids too.

I don't know why everything has to be comprehensive these days. Start small. Pass the bill and then watch Obama do nothing because he wants something bigger. Right wing groups should be having volunteers do this shit already. Trust me, you help someone who could already be legal but is worried become legal, they will remember who did it.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:35 AM (1fvrg)

111 America has now turned into a great big "Mommy, Mommy" joke. I.E:

"Mommy, Mommy, there's something in grandpa's eye!"

"Shut up and eat around it."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:35 AM (XkWWK)

112 Crying Boner said yesterday he was open to “revenue increases”. Bitch McConnell has responded “no tax hikes” period. My desire is give them nothing or give them everything and crash the system.http://is.gd/Z8bMrd
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:45 AM


Honestly, I've been thinking the latter. Declare, "Obama, your programs will destroy the economy. But since you're so fucking smart, and the people want you, and you want to be a dictator anyway, we're going to give you everything you want. Let's see what happens"

And then have every Republican vote "present" on every single piece of Obama legislation. Light a match and bust the joint out.

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (MSrqi)

113 No this election was lost over social issues

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 09, 2012 07:29 AM


No.

This election was lost over race. It's as simple and ugly as that.

The Jacksons and Sharptons are smarter than we are. They have played their single issue like a friggin' violin, riding it to personal wealth and unearned political power.

Race-baiting will be here throughout our lifetimes and beyond. When professional victim are put at the head of the Free Shit line, they will go to any lengths to stay there.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (yKUrR)

114 The Tea Party is irrelevant. They are a bunch of innocuous suburban and rural "heartland" types. Their words and actions have no effect on the pillars of communication in modern America.

The original Tea Party was a bunch of drunken brigands committing vandalism. Guess who was more effective?

We really need to get some perspective here.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (oxs+O)

115 Six times yesterday, I said here that I intend to look into what it would take to steal elections for republicans.

Nobody said a word.

Why?

Posted by: Truman North at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (+EYUY)

116 110 "...You think the DMV is bad? Imagine the DMV with the arbitrary power to fuck your life up."


Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:35 AM (1fvrg)


Welcome to Obamacare! Coming soon!
(The bureaucracy, pain and death. The care? Not so much.)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (XkWWK)

117 The Marine corps used to be full of Leaders, not cover your ass political ladder climbers like we have now.



Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 09, 2012 07:22 AM (6J+oK)

LOL, some good story. I have one too. Once when we were in port and I was on watch just before lighting off our Department head (full Navy Captain 0-6) came down the alternate access ladder with a guy on his shoulder. He looked at me and said here is your RMO watch and laid him on the floor. He was drunker than shit and passed out.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (YdQQY)

118 Let's see, you had 10-14 million fewer voters than '08. Romney got about 2-3 million fewer than McCain, and Scoamf got 8-10 million fewer than Scoamf...

Seems to me, with all the bitter finger-pointing Republicans will be doing with each other (you got social issues in my peanut butter!/you got economic austerity on my chocolate!!), it might not be a bad idea to consider that several million people simply voted "no" by sitting at home.

No to you , no to them, and no to everybody and everything in between.

That they got Scoamf and pederast Harry as a result was not their concern, it was not part of the decision making process. It just is.

Posted by: God at November 09, 2012 07:38 AM (BeSEI)

119 Things I consider to be bigger factors in Mitt's downfall than 'shifting demographics':

1. Voter Fraud

2. He wasn't hurt by the 47 percent comments. He WAS hurt by eventually backing away from them.

3. The Republican primaries having TWENTY debates to give endless soundbites to the democrats and to help sap away Mitt's funds pre-convention.

4. What the Republicans pulled at the RNC with the whole delegate nonsense. (This MIGHT have been the biggest factor of all in suppressing conservative voters, IMO.)

5. Trying to appeal to democrats. Democrats are NOT going to vote for a republican offering compromise to give them half of what they want when they know they can vote for the democratic candidate that will give them all of it.

6. Trying to appeal to independents. These people are so fickle, there's no TELLING what they want. Independent doesn't necessarily mean 'middle of the road' moderate. So there's no point in trying to be as much of a moderate as you can.

Republicans need to start understanding that they DO, in fact, have enough right-leaning people in this country that will vote for them and will be able to overcome the amount of democratic voters. But they have to run someone that is going to actually STICK to conservatism to get them to turn out in huge numbers. They're sick of all the bullshit. The democrats should be treated as our enemies. They have been our enemies for a while now. Stop trying to appeal to them and conservatives will dwarf them at the polls.

Just what I'm thinkin' anyhow.

Posted by: TLGM at November 09, 2012 07:38 AM (appbn)

120 Cost of living in Uruguay (in dollars).. not too bad! Something to think about, I guess!


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 09, 2012 07:33 AM (UTq/I)


Learn Spanish here or there, but you will soon need Spanish to survive here (Arabic and Russian won't hurt either in the long run).

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 09, 2012 07:38 AM (Cnqmv)

121 I would say "let it burn" too (its been posted several times now). The problem with that is Il Ducehas that exactly in mind. Its what the fascists want. They want western civilization torn down sothey canreplace it with there version of utopia.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 09, 2012 07:38 AM (cRcVM)

122 "The original Tea Party was a bunch of drunken brigands committing vandalism. Guess who was more effective?"



You are full of shit. Got any evidence of this? No, you're just pulling crap outta your ass. And you're boring as all hell.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 07:38 AM (X6akg)

123 115 Six times yesterday, I said here that I intend to look into what it would take to steal elections for republicans.

Nobody said a word.

Why?
Posted by: Truman North at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (+EYUY)


Because the prospect of that statement made me cum in my mouth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:38 AM (XkWWK)

124 Oops, blasphemous sock off...

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 07:39 AM (BeSEI)

125 Nevermind....in a really, really bad mood and...need moar coffee!!!

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 07:40 AM (X6akg)

126 "If America don't come around, were gonna burn it down".

Posted by: H. Rap Brown at November 09, 2012 07:40 AM (CfGGV)

127 WE can dump on romney all we want. His staff sucked, no doubt, but Mitt saved the House.

Newt, Santorum etc.. would have given us Pelosi as Speaker

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:41 AM (MeKeJ)

128 I'm looking at county by county map - hard copy WSJ -- and an online map of Bush/Gore 2000.

Nothing has changed. They look exactly the same.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:41 AM (feFL6)

129 113 Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (yKUrR)


Reports of my death are premature.

Posted by: The new, solid steel & kevlar RACE CARD at November 09, 2012 07:41 AM (XkWWK)

130 "The fact is that illegals come here for the freebies. "

My wife is a recent immigrant. Not from Mexico, just to be clear. She recently asked me a question. "Why do only Mexicans and white people do yard service and no black people?"

I had no good answer. I also thought about a black guy trying to start a yard service...I bet he would have a hard time...not due to racism, but due to skepticism.

So, I would say most illegals do not come for the benefits.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:41 AM (1fvrg)

131 No.

This election was lost over race. It's as simple and ugly as that.
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I agree in large part with that, simply because a lot of run-of-the-mill ordinary political campaign attacks that might have been made, could not be made because they would lead to charges of racism. Think Obamaphones. That takes a lot of stuff off the table before you even start. Pre-emptive muzzling.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 07:42 AM (P6QsQ)

132 ¡Bienvenidos, amigos inautentico de Los Internetas!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 09, 2012 07:42 AM (JDIKC)

133 but Mitt redistricting saved the House.

FTFY

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:42 AM (feFL6)

134 Fuck the tea party and the horse they rode in on.

Posted by: Dodging bullets in Chicago at November 09, 2012 06:50 AM (wfEvd)

How do you know it was Tea Party that sat it out? You got a link?
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:58 AM (YdQQY)



Ha, blaming the Tea Party. Yeah, that's the ticket.

A heard a guy call in Rush, yesterday. I missed some of the conversation, but he said he sat out because Romney was a RINO.

And, just think, there is so much chatter of Jeb Bush already for 2016. I voted for Romney/Ryan, but I will NOT vote for Jeb Bush, or Chris Christie, or whatever fake conservative they dish up next. I want fiscal sanity, a closed border, and voter ID.

I would welcome a 3rd party at this point. Call it the Tea Party, or whatever. The Tea Party's mission was dead on. It left out social issues.

Do we want to fix the country, or coddle the emotions?

Do we want a Constitutional America? Or, a Socialist one?

Blaming the Tea Party is pathetic.

Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 09, 2012 07:42 AM (LpQbZ)

135 I could not sleep last night, knowing that 3 million Republican voters stayed home. Makes me sick. 3 Million deadenders.

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:42 AM (MeKeJ)

136 "Trying to appeal to democrats. Democrats are NOT going to vote for a republican offering compromise to give them half of what they want when they know they can vote for the democratic candidate that will give them all of it."

I think Mitt got a lot of Democratic votes. The few sane ones around.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:43 AM (1fvrg)

137 132 -

Speak American, you dirty filthy communist!

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 07:44 AM (BeSEI)

138 133. Redistricting helped, but Mitt kept us from getting killed in the North. We did not lose one House seat in Penn, Ohio, Mich, or wisconsin

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:44 AM (MeKeJ)

139 Why?

Posted by: Truman North at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM


Because it's easier for most people -- and, BTW, easier for Teh Pundits -- to blame Romney for the whole mess.

If we were to look into voter fraud, that would entail work, not reposting some other blogger's "analysis" of yet another blogger's recounting of what he heard from yet another blogger.

We would have to send in attorneys, computer experts and, ultimately, the police to search for evidence.

It's much easier to sit in Mommy's Basement and diss the candidate.

Besides, accusing Choom Boy of a crime would be racist!

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 07:45 AM (yKUrR)

140 If Allen West does indeed win his recount... depending upon by how much he does... that should be a BIG red flag, I think.
Posted by: TLGM at November 09, 2012 07:02 AM (appbn)



But, it won't be a BIG red flag. No one cares.

I wonder if Mia Love really won, then.

Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 09, 2012 07:45 AM (LpQbZ)

141 135 -

It was probably more than 3 million. Remember, O got 8-10 million fewer votes too. No doubt some of those 8-10 mil crossed over to Mitt, which would mean probably more like 5-7 million ex-McCain voters who sat on their fannies.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 07:45 AM (BeSEI)

142 Tamara Holder, Lib Fox News analyst, admitted last night that she voted for Romney. She said many of her friends say the economy comes first, but Akin drew tehm back to Obama

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:46 AM (MeKeJ)

143 Before you all despair of Hispanic immigration...consider that they at least drink beer and eat carne asada burritos.

We could be getting Somali immigrants.

Funny though, Somalia is one of the most libertarian economies in the world and has done surprisingly well versus the commie regime they had.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:46 AM (1fvrg)

144
Honestly, I've been thinking the latter. Declare, "Obama, your programs will destroy the economy. But since you're so fucking smart, and the people want you, and you want to be a dictator anyway, we're going to give you everything you want. Let's see what happens"

And then have every Republican vote "present" on every single piece of Obama legislation. Light a match and bust the joint out.

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (MSrqi)

Agreed. Be the 'non-obstructionist' party for a cycle. Let the cards fall.

Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at November 09, 2012 07:46 AM (NBj0d)

145 130 Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:41 AM (1fvrg)

With all due respect to your wife, who I assume is here legally, I would suggest you listen to Mark Levin's show from yesterday and his interview with Heather McDonald (marklevinshow.com). Here is a quote from her from the Wall St. Journal:

"If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election. "

Posted by: The new, solid steel & kevlar RACE CARD at November 09, 2012 07:47 AM (XkWWK)

146 135. Burt, I am just in pain over that. Obama is the most dangerous man this country has ever faced, and they stayed home.

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:47 AM (MeKeJ)

147 Maybe next time we should pick the candidate the RNC deems to be the LEAST electable...

Posted by: TLGM at November 09, 2012 07:47 AM (appbn)

148 So should we form our own version of the Black Congressional Caucus? Has that time arrived? We are up against La Raza, the CBC, the NAACP, Cair, I dont don;t know what else. They seem to be effective in promoting their racial agendas. Why not us?Aren't we rapidly becoming just another minority.

No, I'm not talking about the KKK or Stormfront, but something that unites us in promoting racial harmony and clout for OUR side.

Is it time yet.?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 09, 2012 07:48 AM (ccXZP)

149 I wonder if Mia Love really won, then.

Posted by: sunshine the beach at November 09, 2012 07:45 AM (LpQbZ)

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I think of all the races lost, that one mystifies me the most. The whole state is red on the county by county map. How did she lose?

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 07:48 AM (P6QsQ)

150 Good Morning

I look forward to the other ideas that Speaker Boehner will announce that "we" have no problems with, including:

1. Statehood for D.C.
2. Reparations
3. Repealing Constitutional Limit on Obama running for third term

Has the Battleship Missouri be drug out of mothballs yet so the Speaker can have a proper surrender ceremony?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 07:48 AM (OWjjx)

151 Hispanics like Big Government. Even if we please them with Amnesty, they still vote DEM due to handouts

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:48 AM (MeKeJ)

152 "I wonder if Mia Love really won, then."

But my facebook liberal friends told me 2012 was a bad day for Republican red necks.

I would tell them that white Democrats refused to vote for the hot black chick, but what's the point.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:48 AM (1fvrg)

153 145, 130
OFF SOCK!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:49 AM (XkWWK)

154 Thanks, JJ.

My planning for taking back Massachusetts proceeds apace. In fact, with the decriminalization of pot, and the need for medical dispensaries, it has actually accelerated.

My plan does not include stealing anyone's vote.

However, let me say a couple of things:

Conservatives believe there is widespread vote fraud.

And

I believe in fairness, and a level playing field, so that everyone has a fair shot, regardless of party affiliation.

Posted by: Truman North at November 09, 2012 07:49 AM (+EYUY)

155 I am hearing that Boehner was rebuked last night by House GOP Caucus on tax hikes

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:49 AM (MeKeJ)

156 151 Hispanics like Big Government. Even if we please them with Amnesty, they still vote DEM due to handouts
Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:48 AM (MeKeJ)

THIS. See my post @145

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:50 AM (XkWWK)

157 Boehner is playing a game folks. He is not caving. He is fooling the MSM to try and make it look like we are bi partisan

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:50 AM (MeKeJ)

158 I don't think Romney was that bad of a candidate.



Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 07:25 AM (1fvrg)
Romney outperformed Allen, Fisher, Flake, Mack, and Mandel (plus of course Akin and Mourdock) in their respective states. He even almost outperformed Cruz in Texas.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 09, 2012 07:51 AM (2ihLK)

159 154 And I believe in fairness, and a level playing field, so that everyone has a fair shot, regardless of party affiliation.
Posted by: Truman North at November 09, 2012 07:49 AM (+EYUY)


As Patton might say, "Alinsky, you sneaky little commie bastard, I read your booook!!!!!!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:51 AM (XkWWK)

160 145. Right. Sorry JJ, did not see your post

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:51 AM (MeKeJ)

161 I am hearing that Boehner was rebuked last night by House GOP Caucus on tax hikes

Its time for hte Caucus to replace Boehner. I used to defend him here a great deal of the time....but his panic reaction to Tuesday is disgraceful.

All he had to do was sit back, look at the camera and say "well, the President won last night. So, we look forward to seeing his proposals being submitted as to how he wants to deal with the problems".

Obama never owns anything. You have to start making him own something. Remember, a large segment of the population, 4 years later, still blame BOOOSSHHHH for everything.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 07:52 AM (OWjjx)

162 146 -

It is disheartening, but we knew these people were out there. It's probably less the diehard Republicans in a snit over Mitt, and more the casual voter, who isn't really a Republican, but could have been counted on to vote our side if they had ANY confidence in the Party.

Which is why I refer to them as ex-McCain voters, not as Republicans who stayed home.

But there is a lot to still analyze about these results. We may never really know who did or did not come out. I just know that if Dems are gloating, they should realize that their savior is about to get exposed for the fraud he is.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 07:52 AM (BeSEI)

163 Romney got 3 million fewer votes than McCain.

Obviously, there were lots of factors at play here, but I don't think you can pretend Mormonism wasn't a factor.

My 89-year-old father voted for Romney (as he has voted for every Republican since Dewey in '44), but he's groused about the Mormon issue for a while and told me on Tuesday, "I won't be too upset if he loses," or words to that effect.

(I don't mean to be Obama, throwing my older kin under the bus, but it is what it is. Old Southern Evangelicals, our most reliable base voters, are still not comfortable with Mormons. And remember, back in the time of George Romney, these Evangelicals were still mostly Democrats.)

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 07:52 AM (MSrqi)

164 160 145. Right. Sorry JJ, did not see your post
Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:51 AM (MeKeJ)

No need to apologize. Reinforcement is always good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:53 AM (XkWWK)

165 John E. did a wonderful job of writing his report of the ground game.

It was an exhilarating description of a true train wreck. It's a story that should never have had to be told, but it was also great writing.

He is also to be commended for his hard, if ultimately squandered, work in the trenches, and even having to spend his money on late-night Kinkos runs and whatnot.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 07:53 AM (SKX2R)

166 This. If you sat home or voted Gary Pureheart Johnson don't tell me; I might kick you in the nuts.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 07:20 AM (+VMZ0)


evidently the libertarian party got historical votes this round. nothing was in our favor.

Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 09, 2012 07:54 AM (LpQbZ)

167 158. Agreed. Barone said last night that the dems win Senate races because they usually pick high profile people to run in red states. He said Attorney Generals and ex governors are always best candidates. Tommy thompson was too old and stale.

We cannot keep running House members like Rick Berg and Rehberg.

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:54 AM (MeKeJ)

168 More than 3 million sat it out. That was 3 million less than McCain. Someone posted a thing yesterday that said 68% of the Republicans sat it out. There were probably a lot more than 3 million sitting it out.


Since conservatives make up probably about 30% of the Party, Social Cons make up 30% and RINOs buisness types make up 30% it starts begging questions about which group did sit it out.


Here in conservative SC we had roughly the same amount of Republican turnout as 2008. So I don't think it was necessarily "conservatives" that sat it out.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:54 AM (YdQQY)

169 Now that I look a little closer I can see the 'coal country' area of PA and W VA went red as opposed to Bush/Gore. So that argument was a win.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:54 AM (feFL6)

170 Is it time yet.?


Posted by: GnuBreed at November 09, 2012 07:48 AM


I don't think so. Right now, we have a huge number of Ordinary Americans who are celebrating the Blow For Diversity they struck when they voted for Choom Boy. If terminally deluded, they are at least (mostly) good people, who believe all the lefty shit that has been ladled out.

There may be nothing we can do. Advocating actual equality -- you have the same opportunity to work hard and better yourself as anyone else. Also, the same right to fuck up and fail -- doesn't play well. The current official definition of equality is "your great-great-grandparents had it bad? Move to the head of the Free Shit Line!"

Once we figure out a way to achieve true equality, Obama and all like him are toast. They will fight like rabid jackals to ensure that never happens.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 07:54 AM (yKUrR)

171 Are the reports correct that in Philly, the same spots that physically threw out Republican Poll Watchers achieved 90% turnout, and in some cases 99% for Bracko?

And if so, is that a statistical anomaly?


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2012 07:54 AM (BPyqV)

172 158 -

In Missouri, Romney and a sitting incumbent Lt. Governor were the only Republicans to win state-wide races. And Romney took about 54% of the vote, the incumbent Lt. Gov less than 50. All other R candidates were in the mid to low 40s, with Rapin Akin pulling up the rear with less than 40% of the vote.

No, not Romney's fault here.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2012 07:55 AM (BeSEI)

173 And I saw Ron Paul said something like "the election shows it's over for America."

Thanks, asshole. This coming from the guy who refused to endorse Romney.

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 07:56 AM (MSrqi)

174 #58 - this. That's why I want someone to figure out who stayed home It may have been the indys who didn't show up for either party
#60 - it has been posted elsewhere that when all the votes are finally counted R should reach McCain's numbers But that doesn't explain why he wasn't 5-10% higher was the enthusiasm numbers projected

Posted by: NoBama12 at November 09, 2012 07:56 AM (ykY2u)

175 mama @ 102 - THIS.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 07:56 AM (zF6Iw)

176 157
Boehner is playing a game folks. He is not caving. He is fooling the MSM to try and make it look like we are bi partisan


Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:50 AM (MeKeJ)


Screw Boehner......and the Scotch bottle he road in on......


DIANE SAWYER: Have to begin with the election, what was the first word
you said to yourself when you knew that the President was going to win
again?

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: It's the hand I was dealt. I'll play it. And I went to bed.

DIANE SAWYER: Right away? How early?

SPEAKER
OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: 11:15. I saw the handwriting on the wall for
a couple of hours, and at 11:15, the race was, in my view, finished,
and I went to sleep. And slept like a baby.


Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 07:56 AM (X6akg)

177 Isn't Ron Paul retiring after this term......if so, I guess there is some good news to come out of campaign 2012.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 07:57 AM (OWjjx)

178 charity begins at home....my donations have ended...anyone wants my junk...they can buy it

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 07:57 AM (Ho2rs)

179 the people who turned out for O really really late caused the long lines in Dem precincts in Va were the hand-out crowd. they got a call late afternoon to show up.

sorry folks, we don't have the #s to overcome this.

I don't know what the answer is. but a news blackout here at my house is improving my attitude. the silence is refreshing.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at November 09, 2012 07:58 AM (HNwOT)

180 169
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:54 AM (feFL6) ******* There was a good coal radio ad playing here in Pittsburgh area, many times day. Had coal miner talking bout losing his job. Also, the Casey and Smith (US Senate) ads were bout coal here too. Casey won though.

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 07:59 AM (opS9C)

181 They told me if I didn't support Romney in the primaries, the GOP candidate's campaign would be a disorganized mess.



They were right.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 06:57 AM (uhAkr)

Yeah, funny how that worked out. I have no doubt that a Gingrich campaign would have been a disorganized mess, too, but at least it would have been an entertaining disorganized mess.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 07:59 AM (qEkGZ)

182 176 SPEAKER
OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: 11:15. I saw the handwriting on the wall for
a couple of hours, and at 11:15, the race was, in my view, finished,
and I went to sleep. And slept like a baby.


Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 07:56 AM (X6akg)


I would like to take John Boehner and ram his entire body up Chris Christie's crusty corn-hole.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 07:59 AM (XkWWK)

183 I know its early yet for the West, but do we have any Morons here from Utah yet?


If so, be sure to read post 25 and give us an update.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 07:59 AM (YdQQY)

184 Boehner has got to be removed. That is about all I have for this morning.

Posted by: cajun carrot, of the carebare electorate at November 09, 2012 07:59 AM (UZQM8)

185 148 So should we form our own version of the Black Congressional Caucus? Has that time arrived? We are up against La Raza, the CBC, the NAACP, Cair, I dont don;t know what else. They seem to be effective in promoting their racial agendas. Why not us?Aren't we rapidly becoming just another minority.
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Yes.

148 No, I'm not talking about the KKK or Stormfront, but something that unites us in promoting racial harmony and clout for OUR side.
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Yes.

148 Is it time yet.?
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Better late than never.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 07:59 AM (23WI9)

186 @The new, solid steel & kevlar RACE CARD

Perceptions matter. We lose the Asian vote 75/25....do you think they are all on welfare too?

We lose that vote because they think our party is racist and super Christian, though weirdly many Asians who immigrate here become super Christians too.

Please explain how Asians, who don't get welfare, affirmative action, etc. why they don't vote GOP?

Now, re-read my proposal. Did you notice where I mention these people would all be legal anyways if they just did their paperwork?

So, you can get an image makeover, be a nice guy, and not really be risking anything.

Are you against someone who has American kids and an American husband from getting her damn green card? Who cares? She qualifies anyways.

Also, yes, my wife is here legally.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:00 AM (1fvrg)

187 166. And the Libeterians are funded by the Dems. Reason Rehberg lost in Montana.

The luck Obama has is incredible, how do we fight it. Watch the markets go thru the roof in the next two years against all odds.

Not one but two Hurricanes to save him. GOP Convention and Sandy.

Traitors like Ron Paul do not endorse, Christie gets his 30 pieces of Gold

MSM facing 9% approvals, fall on their swords to quash Obama's Watergate

Fools with big mouths, wait until after they are the Senate Nominees to committ suicide

3 Million or more GOP voters stay home due Obama's master plan to force low turnout

Let it Burn

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 08:00 AM (MeKeJ)

188 When 13 million FEWER voters bother to show up, I think the overriding theme of the election is despair and surrender.

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 08:00 AM (MSrqi)

189 Pete Stark is out but we got Alan Grayson back.

Colitis has been exchanged for terminal stage syphillis.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:00 AM (XkWWK)

190 >>> More than 3 million sat it out. That was 3 million less than McCain.

Maybe. They're still counting. I think the number will turn out to be less than 3 million, but factoring in population growth ....

One difference is apparently McCain had an actual turnout operation, a little old-school, a little retro, but not completely retarded.

The Romney campaign? Not so much.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:01 AM (SKX2R)

191 121
I would say "let it burn" too (its been posted several times now). The
problem with that is Il Duce has that exactly in mind. Its what the
fascists want. They want western civilization torn down so they
can replace it with there version of utopia.

They might want to really re-think that. A LOT of people on both sides died in the process.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 08:02 AM (d0Dmj)

192 22 Boehner is publicly rebuked by Rep Fleming for "getting ahead" of House GOP on amnesty.

Can't we find someone to primary Boehner?
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 09, 2012 06:50 AM (2ihLK)
Hey dick Lugar here, rumor has it Mourdock and Akin are available.

Posted by: Dick "moderate squish" Lugar at November 09, 2012 08:03 AM (rc8dj)

193 There's been so much focus on the missing 3 million McCain votes. In 2008 there was a small army of pissed off Hillary supporters who switched to support McCain because of how obama had done HRC. They had extra incentive to vote when McCain added a strong female to the ticket. This year there was no similar motivator for them. They still hate preazy, and Romney didn't move them. Who knows how many of that group stayed home.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 08:03 AM (jm/9g)

194 172. Akin destroyed the GOP Ticket in Missouri. We were favored to win the AG race and SOS race.

We did pickup two Attorney Races in Wva and Montana though. Lost them in Penn and Washington

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 08:03 AM (MeKeJ)

195 115. Six times yesterday, I said here that I intend to look into what it would take to steal elections for republicans.


Nobody said a word.


Why?

Posted by: Truman North at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (+EYUY)I'm listening.

Posted by: MoKim at November 09, 2012 08:03 AM (kprEX)

196 We need to write off Oregon and Wash too folks. We have not one the Gov race in either state since 1980

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 08:04 AM (MeKeJ)

197 Hispanics don't vote for the GOP - supposedly they are all left-leaning and want free stuff.

OK, assume that is correct.

Now, why are we losing the Asian vote 75/25?

Last I checked, there aren't many Asians on food stamps, so why aren't they flocking to our cause?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:04 AM (1fvrg)

198 >>> SPEAKER
OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: 11:15. I saw the handwriting on the wall for
a couple of hours, and at 11:15, the race was, in my view, finished,
and I went to sleep. And slept like a baby.

Good for him.

Unlike in the Senate and the White House race, the GOP did better for Congressional seats.

Plus, what difference does it make if he turned in, calmly, to get back to work the next morning, rather than moping over an obvious loss?

He saw the writing on the wall. He didn't pretend it was otherwise.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:04 AM (SKX2R)

199 195. Because Republicans tend to be good people

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 08:05 AM (MeKeJ)

200
Calmly, cooly considered after a few nights of sleep after TFG's win:

Push it over the cliff and let it burn. Let it consume us all. Let it burn so hot and so bright that whoever survives it will never forget and never repeat our 100 year long slow-motion socialist folly.

Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 08:05 AM (4I3Uo)

201 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:01 AM (SKX2R)


McCain was more than a complete retard, he was an asshole that hated conservatives. And he said it often.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:05 AM (YdQQY)

202 143 Funny though, Somalia is one of the most libertarian economies in the world and has done surprisingly well versus the commie regime they had.
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More natural conservatives.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 08:06 AM (23WI9)

203 Democrats have no faith, so why would they care about morals?

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 08:06 AM (MeKeJ)

204 Are you against someone who has American kids and an American husband
from getting her damn green card? Who cares? She qualifies anyways.

--------------


What makes you think anyone here would be against someone who qualifies? It's the "Not qualifying" part that bothers people.

I guess I should speak for myself. It's the "not qualifying" part that bothers me.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 08:06 AM (P6QsQ)

205
Any way you cut it or analyze it that commie prick is back in the White
House for 4 more years and we are all hosed. ON the bright side, shit
there is no bright side. Fuck. Morning all

------

There is a bright side. It reminds me of a scene from Planes, Trains and Automobiles. Trying to get Steve Martin home, John Candy creates one bungled aggravation after another. Driving down the highway, Candy unknowingly tosses his lit cigarette butt out the window, but it hits the back seat instead. Some minutes later, after a near death crash left them stranded on the dark highway, both men sit there and suddenly hear a "poof!" Martin gets up, turns around and sees the car completely in flames. Slowly he starts to laugh until he's buckling over. Candy laughs too and says, why are we laughing? Martin says, "you've finally done it to yourself." That will be my own sweet revenge toward all these people that just ripped my country from my hands. They've finally done it to themselves. And I will enjoy watching that. Oh, and after their laughter dies down, Martin punches Candy in the stomach.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:06 AM (lTVJy)

206 >>> Now, why are we losing the Asian vote 75/25?

My theory is that in general the Democrats get the most and least intelligent demographics, with the GOP getting the demographics nearer the middle.

This is a gross oversimplification, and politically incorrect, but that's a data point in support of it.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:06 AM (SKX2R)

207 I heard that Gabby Gifford's dipshit husband said to erg laughner that after he was sentenced that Saint Gabby wouldn't think of him any more. I think he meant that Debbie Crablice Shit's friend doesn't think of anything these days.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 09, 2012 08:07 AM (miuQT)

208 200. Tend to agree. We need go over the cliff, we need pain to wake up the masses

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 08:07 AM (MeKeJ)

209 >>> McCain was more than a complete retard, he was an asshole that hated conservatives. And he said it often.

I wasn't happy with his campaign and a lot of his tendencies, especially his wanting to invade pretty much everybody.

But the Romney campaign was not as well-run as we were told it would be, right?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:08 AM (SKX2R)

210 Push it over the cliff and let it burn. Let it
consume us all. Let it burn so hot and so bright that whoever survives
it will never forget and never repeat our 100 year long slow-motion
socialist folly.

Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 08:05 AM (4I3Uo)

The downside there (I agree with you, btw) is that no nation has ever recovered itself after the 'burn to the ground' phase. None. Ever.

Which is why people are buying MP 15s like they think they won't be able to in a while.

Posted by: washington nearsider at November 09, 2012 08:08 AM (fwARV)

211 Well, there's no clear census here on how Boehner should address the fiscal cliff. I know I've seen many posters here (not trolls) suggesting we roll over and give them everything they want.

Maybe that's the right path. Stop resisting and give them all they want. Stop tasking any ownership of their crap policies.

This does have an appeal to me.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 09, 2012 08:08 AM (ccXZP)

212 OK, I too want to say "let it burn" but...

1) There are two ways to do that...one is to make Obama do automatic cuts. We will get blamed. The other way is to give in to everything. Now, we are political junkies, but people who are not might not like that.

2) Say Boehner makes a semi-decent deal, and the country is salvaged to some extent and Obama gets the credit. As much as a I hate the SCOAMF, isn't that still better for the country?

Ideally we manage to limit the damage but make sure SCOAMF gets the blame he deserves...but will that ever happen? FDR is adored. Bush is Hoover. We may have lost this image battle for good...so then you have to think the unthinkable...helping Obama's image but saving the country is still saving the country.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:09 AM (1fvrg)

213 Good for him.



Unlike in the Senate and the White House race, the GOP did better for Congressional seats.



Plus, what difference does it make if he turned in, calmly, to get
back to work the next morning, rather than moping over an obvious loss?



He saw the writing on the wall. He didn't pretend it was otherwise.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:04 AM (SKX2R)


Good for him? Seriously? While half the nation tossed and turned the speaker of the house announces he 'slept like a baby'?

Alrighty then......

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 08:09 AM (X6akg)

214 I note one thing: Obama's cult is so personal, I don't think it will transfer to anybody else. I mean, in 2016 it's back to Whitey for the Dems, right?

I don't think Corey Booker's ready to make that jump, and with the GOP so pissed at Christie, I think Booker could cruise into the governor's mansion. (Quite frankly, I kind of like him too.)

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 08:09 AM (MSrqi)

215 McCain was more than a complete retard, he was an asshole that hated conservatives. And he said it often.


Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:05 AM (YdQQY)


Speaking of McRINO and dumbass statements, has his fatassed whore daughter opened her upper strictly dickly hole other than to take in jizz and carbs over the last couple days? Hard to believe she hasn't "weighed in" in the election.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 09, 2012 08:10 AM (miuQT)

216 The original Tea Party was a bunch of drunken brigands committing vandalism. Guess who was more effective?

We really need to get some perspective here.
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (oxs+O)


I think it was 4 of the tea party backed candidates that won this election -- one was Cruz, a good man.

Pretty good for a brand, spanking new movement.

Please.

And, if the GOP doesn't get its sh*t together, they will dissolve even more into the "3rd party" options. Libertarians and tea party candidates are diluting the waters.

Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 09, 2012 08:10 AM (LpQbZ)

217 (Quite frankly, I kind of like him too.)

---------------


I do too. Haven't said that about a Democrat in about 50 years.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 08:10 AM (P6QsQ)

218 186 Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:00 AM (1fvrg)


The issue is not about people who come here legally. The issue is about people, mostly poor and illiterate, who jump our southern border for the sole purpose of receiving government largesse in exchange for their vote.

Why other minority groups who come here and vote for the Dems is beyond me. There are other issues in play there that I don't know.

As for people who are already here and are in society, no one is talking about mass deportations. We are talking about securing our borders. Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 6 million illegals in 1986 in return for border security. The Dems thanked him by failing to live up to their end of the bargain. And now there are 20 million illegals here and more coming every day thanks to SCOAMF and SCOTUS.

And they are here for the reasons Ms. McDonald states. I believe that as sure as G-d made little green apples.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:10 AM (XkWWK)

219 Say Boehner makes a semi-decent deal, and the country is salvaged to
some extent and Obama gets the credit. As much as a I hate the SCOAMF,
isn't that still better for the country?




The odds of Crying Boner getting a "decent deal" are about zero. He has not got a good deal or even a fair deal since he has been SOH. He has bent over and said give me another every damn time.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)

220 156
151 Hispanics like Big Government. Even if we please them with Amnesty, they still vote DEM due to handouts

Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 07:48 AM (MeKeJ)



THIS. See my post @145


Two words: Anchor Babies. (And all of the freebies it entails) Remove it and see what happens.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 08:11 AM (d0Dmj)

221 Conservatives who didn't support Romney have only themselves to blame. He was as qualified a candidate as we will ever see. The GOP will now move to the left in order to survive. You can't build a party pandering to people too stupid to not vote Obama out of office.

Posted by: Terry Gain at November 09, 2012 08:11 AM (+BlWU)

222 >>> Good for him? Seriously? While half the nation tossed and turned the speaker of the house announces he 'slept like a baby'?

It wasn't Benghazi. It was a freakin' election loss.

There was absolutely nothing he could do about it.

He had work to begin the next morning, not least of which since he and his Congress are the last bulwark.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:12 AM (SKX2R)

223 197 Last I checked, there aren't many Asians on food stamps, so why aren't they flocking to our cause?
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For practical political purposes, it's not speculations about why they vote liberal but the fact that they do that defines them.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 08:12 AM (23WI9)

224 #167 - Generally agree with your point (that statewide officers are best for senate seats) but in states like ND and MT there are so few house seats that a House person can represent most of the state and essentially be like a statewide office holder
As noted above a bunch of senate candidates did worse than Romney in red states. Akin and Mourdock are understandable but the others? I wonder if there was some ticket splitting and they assumed R had the presidency so the voted D for senate?

Posted by: NoBama12 at November 09, 2012 08:12 AM (ykY2u)

225 I don't know, comparing Bush/Gore 2000 county map against Obama/Romney 2012 I don't see a huge difference in the map.
If I was motivated -- which I'm not -- I'd animate a gif and post
it. As I noted 'coal country' went red.

Which leaves me only one conclusion -- the GOP did a lousy
job of getting out the vote in high enough numbers. I remember
in years past I'd come home and there would be a message on
my answering machine to the effect that 'we really need your
vote' that the (D)'s were swarming the polls. So I'd woof something
down and stand in line. As to whether there was an over reliance
on a shitty software program, if so, I hope the vendor gets stiffed.

Somehow the Dems did it the old fashioned way and won.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 08:12 AM (feFL6)

226 203 Democrats have no faith, so why would they care about morals?
Posted by: Jack J at November 09, 2012 08:06 AM (MeKeJ)


As Carmine Cuneo said "They're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:12 AM (XkWWK)

227 Yes, now that Obama won, likely the best Boehner can pull off is to pretend to be cutting $67B and really only cutting $31M.

Wait, what?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (/1U3u)

228
Last I checked, there aren't many Asians on food stamps, so why aren't they flocking to our cause?





Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:04 AM (1fvrg)
In part because the GOP has been tagged as the "white party", an image Romney didn't help when he chose another white guy to run with him.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (2ihLK)

229 The issue is not about people who come here legally.

Except the ones who overstay their visas, and ten years later their kids go to get a drivers' license and find out "Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you."

And I'm not a big fan of the ones who come here legally and fly airplanes into buildings, but that might be beyond the scope of the discussion.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (/kI1Q)

230 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (/eBe8)

231 Pete Stark is out but we got Alan Grayson back.


The silver lining is that Alan Grayson will continue to be Alan Grayson.

Posted by: fluffy at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (z9HTb)

232 170 Right now, we have a huge number of Ordinary Americans who are
celebrating the Blow For Diversity they struck when they voted for Choom
Boy. If terminally deluded, they are at least (mostly) good people, who
believe all the lefty shit that has been ladled out.

IOW, people too stupid to think for themselves.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (d0Dmj)

233 It wasn't Benghazi. It was a freakin' election loss.

==================


It was way more than a freakin' election loss....good Lord!

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (X6akg)

234 The odds of Crying Boner getting a "decent deal" are about zero. He has not got a good deal or even a fair deal since he has been SOH. He has bent over and said give me another every damn time.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)


To be fair to Boner: thats not entirely or even mostly his fault. Read Woodwards latest and you ll see that our Narcissist-in-Chief simply is a retard when it comes to negotiations (or anything else).

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (8EBWh)

235 Mornin' all, seriously thinking going to Lurker status. As I read through the comments it seems as though there are more than enough folks here now to voice my thoughts better than I ever could.
Two requests;
If someone starts belittling Sarah or showing so little respect to her and Todd as to reduce her to "sweater puppies", jump their ass, hard.
98ZJUSMC, this is for you and others like you. If you see folks talking about "stocking up on stuff", make sure they don't leave out emergency medical supplies. Seems like that gets mentioned little if ever. And educate em on what they need.
If I do turn Lurker, I want to leave you one last time with...

Love each other fellow babies, and thanks for the times you've lifted my spirits.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 09, 2012 08:14 AM (ma+gB)

236 "Funny though, Somalia is one of the most libertarian economies in the world and has done surprisingly well versus the commie regime they had.
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More natural conservatives"

Let me push this joke one step further...

Only the Somalis who can't hack the free market flee to America.

But seriously, after hearing so many Libs tell me to "move to Somalia" if I wanted smaller government, I looked up their economy on Wikipedia, and its impressive how much the free market can do.

"The World Bank reports that electricity is now in large part supplied by local businesses, using generators purchased abroad. By dividing Somalia's cities into specific quarters, the private sector has found a manageable method of providing cities with electricity. A customer is given a menu of choices for electricity tailored to his or her needs, such as evenings only, daytime only, 24 hour-supply or charge per lightbulb.[5]"

Own a shop? 24 hours.
Work outside the home? Night only.

Pretty ingenious.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:14 AM (1fvrg)

237 75 Great article today from Kraut on granting amnesty (click link). GOP: appeal to your natural Hispanic constituency or die. These are, for the most part, hard-working, conservative people. Embrace them.
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For practical political purposes, it's not speculations about why they vote liberal but the fact that they do that defines them.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 08:15 AM (23WI9)

238 Last I checked, there aren't many Asians on food stamps, so why aren't they flocking to our cause?


----

I think there is a complete disconnect I've experienced in thinking this is 1900 still. A time when immigrants worldwide sailed across the Atlantic Ocean, only to start crying at the sight of the Statue of Liberty as they approached the harbor. Thanking God that they were lucky enough to reach America's shores. Knowing full well the misery of what they left and knowing the American dream was here for those willing to work hard, sacrifice and make something of themselves, without the jackboot of their own Old World governments holding them down. Those people are long gone. Why do people come here now? Are the reasons the same? I think overall, the answer is a resounding no. There is no pride of truly being an American to anybody immigrating to the US today. No love of country. Nobody cares its destiny. Nobody knows history. Only living for the moment. It's inevitable, given that even the poorest among us do without nothing because they are given everything they need by the government. Hard work and dedication are no longer needed.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:15 AM (lTVJy)

239 The more I read about ORCA, the more disturbing I find it. Those who were Romney supporters from the beginning stressed the whole competent technocrat angle and pushed that he would be able to handle fixing the economic mess since he was a successful businessman (obviously I'm paraphrasing and overstating somewhat). Now it turns out that the campaign could not handle the most fundamental job of a campaign, namely, get out your vote. Of all the disasters that may have hit the Romney campaign, I did not expect it to be one such as this. Bluntly, it never crossed my mind that the GOTV program was anything other than locked down since that's the first thing you would want to have ready to go.


That is wasn't really is worrisome. Why wasn't it? Who was giving the reports on this? Why weren't there backup plans? Romney got elected in MA, surely he and his campaign knew how to run a GOTV program. Why the change?


Note that I'm not saying the early Romney supporters were lying about their belief in Romney's best selling point was competence. It's simply that a clusterfuck of this epic scale rather calls into doubt that very basic assumption. He'd been running for President for eight years. How the hell was this not locked down years ago?


I do realize that this is pretty much academic since I'm presuming Romney's political career is over. But Ryan's isn't. Jindal's isn't. This needs to be reviewed very closely to see went wrong and then fix it.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 08:15 AM (VtjlW)

240 185 148 So should we form our own version of the Black Congressional Caucus? Has that time arrived? We are up against La Raza, the CBC, the NAACP, Cair, I dont don;t know what else. They seem to be effective in promoting their racial agendas. Why not us?Aren't we rapidly becoming just another minority.

A white mans' caucus in the Congress?

*facepalm*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 08:16 AM (SLg2R)

241 So, it turns out that what ORCA stood for was:

Obama

Re-elected

Cocksuckers

A-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAA!!!!!!!111!!!!


Awesome.

But, I'm good to go.

I'm buying a shotgun, a couple of revolvers, and a new, heavy duty, shock-reinforced wheelbarrow to haul my money around in America 2.0.

Thanks, you stuttering clusterfucks of a miserably run GOP GOTV effort.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 09, 2012 08:16 AM (G9qZk)

242 Off to get allergy shots.

My course should be through before I get denied by the Pollen Panel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:16 AM (XkWWK)

243 After the GOP establishment geniuses gave us McCain and Romney, I think the next nominee is obvious.

After all, no Republican had criticized and undercut Republicans more than McCain. And Romney gave us Obamacare, Jr. So, after Christie's actions this week, I think the establishment will turn to him.

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 08:16 AM (MSrqi)

244 http://tinyurl.com/bxv2z78

And here we go.....

Posted by: Pete at November 09, 2012 08:16 AM (+GIS3)

245 Boy, if onlyRepublicans had a permanent organization responsible for creating and maintaining an infrastructure to support the party and help it win elections. We should think about creating one of those. It might help.

Posted by: Joe at November 09, 2012 08:16 AM (7pOq5)

246 To be fair to Boner: thats not entirely or even
mostly his fault. Read Woodwards latest and you ll see that our
Narcissist-in-Chief simply is a retard when it comes to negotiations (or
anything else).

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (8EBWh)

It is entirely his fault. He has no balls and he can force some of the issues by stuff like refusing these stupid continuing resolutions to keep the original $1.1T deficit budget.
He allows these to pass rather than not because Pederast Harry threatens to shutdown the government.

Fuck Harry, shut it down.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:16 AM (YdQQY)

247 >>> I note one thing: Obama's cult is so personal, I don't think it will transfer to anybody else.

I could not disagree more. Allahpundit links to an article that explains why.

http://goo.gl/IDlqC

"Meanwhile, in ObamaWorld, they were using behavioral scientists to build a gigantic database of current and potential voters and to fine tune their message at a granular level not only to win people’s votes but to get them to turn out. Read Sasha Issenberg at Slate for more on that."

Yes, I appear to be taking it out of context, because this refers specifically to the Democrats turnout operation. But notice their turnout operation is based specifically about using behavioral science to push people's hot buttons.

Obama's so/so. He's a creature of Ayers, basically, or was. The art of propaganda and similar arts are strong now in the Democrat party.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:16 AM (SKX2R)

248 As I noted 'coal country' went red.



But not by the margin that I expected it to, at least in Ohio. Some of the southeastern counties were pale red instead of the dark red I fully expected. Plus those dipshits that go to that giant party center posing as a university in Athens voted for the JEF.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (miuQT)

249 I would say "let it burn" too (its been posted several times now). The problem with that is Il Duce has that exactly in mind. Its what the fascists want. They want western civilization torn down so they can replace it with there version of utopia.They might want to really re-think that. A LOT of people on both sides died in the process.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 08:02 AM (d0Dmj)


One small comfort I always remember is that the Left is playing with powers it can't really control, and in the event of a true collapse and civil war it is extremely unlikely that any of the DC crew will remain in power by the end. Controlling the narrative is well and good when physical problems are not a pressing concern, but it tends to fall short when a pissed-off armored division is rolling through your backyard. I think the most likely scenario is that at the end of the day the real winner is Col. O. Cromwell, USMC, currently a captain in Afghanistan who is very upset with the way things are going, and Obama ends up against the wall for treason.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (DeRsD)

250 Truman North

In your studies to alter the election outcome, have you come up with any required actions yet?

Just curious if any of them might resemble what occurred this election.

And I got to thinking about elections, and realized something.
When we talk about winning/losing strategies, it seems we look for the one single winning or losing thing.
I am starting to look at elections as a dish of prepared food....a cake if you wish.
Altering any single ingredient will have an effect on the finished product.
And just because you put in too much flour, it doesn't mean you can't also put in too few eggs, and so on.
Sometimes our cakes fail spectacularly, due to a single ingredient being left out, or too much added.
Sometimes our cakes don't come out as expected due to many ingredients being altered slightly.
Each alteration in itself, not enough to screw the cake, but in the aggregate,
the outcome is tremendously altered from expectations.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (BPyqV)

251 Oh, and the company who bought my company last summer is "restructuring." Yay.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (/kI1Q)

252 "To be fair to Boner: thats not entirely or even mostly his fault. Read Woodwards latest and you ll see that our Narcissist-in-Chief simply is a retard when it comes to negotiations (or anything else)."

Question for any connected political types.

When Obama reneges, but the media never mentions that and blame Boehner, until finally Woodward's book gets the truth out way too late, is this due to GOP incompetence at communications or simply the DSM at work?

My theory is that the Republicans must try to sell their side, but they just get ignored, and no matter how skilled you are, being ignored is just being ignored.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (1fvrg)

253 When is the fucking worthless RNC going to learn that lackluster “Moderate” candidates do not inspire the base? Change the Primaries NOW RNC before you become a third Party.
http://is.gd/h0JBHf
Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:48 AM (YdQQY)

____________________________________________

A "base" not smart enough to vote against Obama is a sink hole. The GOP will now move to the left in order to survive.

Posted by: Terry Gain at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (+BlWU)

254 I still can't believe we lost. We actually had a turn-around specialist and a budget specialist running at a time when we need just that combination more than ever, and we still got killed by a foolish, media-backed con man. We truly do get the government we deserve.

That said, the GOP is actually better at being a minority opposition party than a majority leadership party.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 09, 2012 08:18 AM (bS6uW)

255 229 And I'm not a big fan of the ones who come here legally and fly airplanes into buildings, but that might be beyond the scope of the discussion.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:13 AM (/kI1Q)


Heather, if I had to put in every permutation of legal and illegal, good or bad, we'd run out of pixels. But I think you caught my drift.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:18 AM (XkWWK)

256 Hopefully, one of the things that comes out of this will be an end to "open" primaries.

Posted by: Pete at November 09, 2012 08:18 AM (+GIS3)

257 OT, from Insty. THIS You want it? You got it, good and hard.

....
Anyway, I just read this article: "Obama Wins 8 of 10 Wealthiest Counties in US."

And I’m saying to myself, why am I going to war for these people? All this effort to try to protect the “job creators” and they’re voting for Obama and ever larger government and more taxes. I think it’s time to give them what they want! I would love to see a Republican bring forth a bill to tax the sh*t out of those making over $500k (the 1%). These are the people who live in these enclaves. Let’s do comprehensive tax reform, eliminate most or all deductions and lower rates for everyone…except them. Let their rates go back to the Clinton era rates AND eliminate their deductions...Now granted, this would not do a whole lot to address the budget deficit. Anyone who is good at math knows that. However, it completely cuts the legs out from the Democrats, gives these rich jerks their just desserts for voting for Obama and supporting him financially, and will help insulate the married working professionals who Obama and the Dems REALLY want to soak. You can even defend it in public to your base by telling them “Look at the stats, these people vote in DROVES for Obama. They want this. They deserve this”. Once you’ve passed this bill to raise taxes on these liberal elite, when the Dems come back to try to get the rest of us, they will no longer be able to demonize R’s for protecting “the rich”. The Republicans are now protecting working families who are just trying to finance their own retirements, their kids’ college educations and pay their mortgages. They could KILL the Dems in ads and they would have nothing to fall back on. Am I crazy? I think this is the way to go.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:19 AM (sbV1u)

258 Did ya see where Boehner threw in the towel on Obamacare. He's not gonna fight it.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 09, 2012 08:20 AM (WwR1j)

259 Boehner getting "a decent deal" is like the scene from "The Godfather" where Tessio tells Tom Hagen he hopes Michael can work out a good deal with Barzzini.

And then Tessio gets whacked.


Isn't it amazing that there's a Godfather reference for almost anything? This is my second in this post!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:20 AM (XkWWK)

260
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 08:15 AM (23WI9)


Kraut can kiss my ass. The second they get Amnesty they will rejoin the ranks of The Free Shit Army.

Posted by: cajun carrot of the carebare electorate at November 09, 2012 08:20 AM (UZQM8)

261 But I think you caught my drift.

Yeah, we're on the same page and I'm nodding along.

Just feeling doomy.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at November 09, 2012 08:20 AM (/kI1Q)

262 The GOP will now move to the left in order to survive.

Posted by: Terry Gain at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (+BlWU)

Fuck that noise. If it does that it will die even faster.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:21 AM (YdQQY)

263 >>> 1. Voter Fraud

I noticed you put this #1.

I doubt it was a big factor, or anything like the deciding factor.

The reason I do is because I can't imagine it's possible to cheat such that your secret margin of fraud equals the average of the national poll *and* the average of 49 out of 50 of the state polls, run by different polling firms.

That seems highly unlikely.

And if the Obama campaign is THAT competent, well then hell. They're both unbeatable and maybe they should be in charge.

But no, it wasn't voter fraud. It was a big defeat.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:21 AM (SKX2R)

264 257 Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:19 AM (sbV1u)


The wealthy already have their money and are now hiding most of it. They could give a flying fuck that the rest of us poor schlubs now have no way of becoming successful, as opposed to barely existing.

But that's what you get with socialism. Fairness. And assuaged guilt from the wealthy. Fuck them to hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:22 AM (XkWWK)

265 why is samwise still here?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 08:22 AM (Ho2rs)

266 Moderate and liberal GOPers got their candidate and stayed home. Socons n evangelicals voted.

Hypocrites is the word that comes to mind.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 09, 2012 08:22 AM (VrVBw)

267 Once again: why are WE not addressing voter fraud?.and visibly and vocally?
I have just received an email from a women's arts group (yeah, all of them swing to the left except Yours Truly...and they think I am deranged) they are jumping on Arpaio's being declared the victor AND they are coordinating efforts to investigate him for committing voter fraud! This is happening in the blink of an eye! AND most of these folks are East Coasters..yet,they are ready, willing and able to fight for something going on half way across the country.
Until WE take voter fraud seriously and demonstrate how dems have done it/do it now, we are doomed.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 09, 2012 08:22 AM (53riN)

268 The flaw with ORCA can be illustrated used this example.

Tracking voters real time is like having an EKG strapped to you to make you healthier. Will the tracking a green dot make you healthy? No, your eating and exercising habits will keep you healthy, along with good genetics.

ORCA represents the bad genetics of the campaign followed by an ill-conceived exercise program, with bad food.

Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (utIdc)

269 It's inevitable, given that even the poorest among
us do without nothing because they are given everything they need by the
government. Hard work and dedication are no longer needed.




Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:15 AM (lTVJy)

-----------
Great post. It is only what we work for that we value. It is only what we've earned that we treasure. It is the sacrifice that makes success sweet.
Parents instinctively know this. Give your kids everything? They appreciate nothing and only demand more. Make your kids earn their privileges or their "extras"? They appreciate them and take much greater care of them.
Give people everything for nothing and they will trash it in much the same way a teenager tosses their 100 dollar jeans on the floor because they didn't pay for them, and if they get ruined, mommy will just buy you another pair.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (P6QsQ)

270 Appeal to your natural Hispanic constituency or die? Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but 3 millions non-Hispanics on the Republican side sat this one out and it had nothing to do with amnesty or lack thereof. Funny that Kraut doesn't suggest the R's appeal to their conservative constituency nearly as much. Does appealing to them mean having our side hand out goodies too? Yeah, good luck with that. R's could still do that, will still go along with some form of amnesty, kowtow to Hispanics in ways they'd never do to conservatives, and Hispanics would still vote Dem. It's already been engrained. They're still going to hear the cacophony of celebrities, teachers, the MFM drill into their heads that R's are bad, bitoted and a bunch of old, white men who will take away their tampons. You may call my outlook a bit sour now and pessimistic, but it is what it is.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (lTVJy)

271 It should be apparent that it is an unhealthy situation to have a country in which 70% of whites vote for one party and 80% of non-whites vote for the other.

But that is the divisive environment the Democrats have intentionally created for the sole purpose of short-term political gain.

For that, I detest them.

Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (MSrqi)

272 First we have Boner crying on the floor, and now our mamby-pamby POTUS is making it a habit of weeping in public.

We have become a Nation of beta-male fucksticks.

Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (/ZZCn)

273 can we make this a pay site with scholarships for out of work conservatives.....it's a sure way to keep the lib/troll filth away.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (Ho2rs)

274 Oh FFS. We have to listen to the gay hobbit (not you AtC) again today???

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (da5Wo)

275 >>> I still can't believe we lost. We actually had a turn-around specialist and a budget specialist running at a time when we need just that combination more than ever

Yes, I found it pretty shocking too. I thought he was the right man at the right time and said so.

But what he apparently wasn't is a "turnout specialist" as John E. has so plainly indicated.

Plus, demographics. And the "caring" issue. Which I don't make fun of actually. It's real.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (SKX2R)

276 @ Lady in Black

Asians have right wing governments at home too, so that is not a reason.

I also know several Asian immigrants who rarely return home, and prefer America, and they hate the GOP because its "racist."

Also, when discussing Asians, keep in mind the first generation may not view themselves as "American" but trust me the kids are bananas.

So again, why are we losing 75/25?

If our excuses keep being that "foreigners" suck, we are in deep trouble.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (1fvrg)

277 ...kelley in virginia -
the people who turned out for O really really late caused the long
lines in Dem precincts in Va were the hand-out crowd. they got a call
late afternoon to show up.

This! During the day, the voters showing up were mainly seniors and people in their late 30 through 50's. Many were asking how they changed their affiliation back to Independent after voting. I actually noted that I wasn't seeing very many of the 'youth' vote turn out. It was looking like the Obama voters where just not turning up.

At about 5pm, we got a huge rush of 'first time' voters who all needed to register to vote on election day and surprise - all would fit the definition of the 'youth' vote. I would say that based on what I observed 90% of those first time voters were for Obama.

I asked one of the legal observers if this was usual and he said that he was surprised by the number of people who had to register to vote that day - he said by his count it was between 200-300 people.


Posted by: smc1225 at November 09, 2012 08:24 AM (Kw6aj)

278 This doesn't make Rombley a bad person though.

Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 08:24 AM (utIdc)

279 why is samwise still here?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 08:22 AM (Ho2rs)

I think there are two or three of them. He was here all day yesterday, and all night on the ONT. Looks like all day again today.

I am beginning to think they are concern trolls as well,

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:24 AM (YdQQY)

280 Screw the Tea Party? F*CK OFF pal! (damn computer ate my post!)
Long story short- I got behind Mitt, dontated several times to Mitt, dragged people to the polls even showed up to them hours before they opened.
AND I LIVE IN CT.
What other choice did I have? Vote for the Chicago thug and lobster wookie first mate? Note vote at all and let some idiots vote count twice as much?
I'm sorry I don't buy the numbers, Republican voters were ready to crawl across glass to get rid of the idiot in the White house whos record is crystal clear now and you are going to tell me 3% LESS SHOWED UP than John McLame?
Perry was my first choice till he went down in flames and I had very high hopes Mitt would use his business savy to clean things up a bit in conjuction with Paul Ryan.
The Tea Party isn't the problem here. I saw 10 tims more signs and bumper stickers for Mitt than I did for Obama IN CT. Hell we even have a local business with a large sign that states "FIRE OBAMA" visible from I-95

Posted by: gdonovan at November 09, 2012 08:24 AM (BCk1S)

281 Hey, have you guys considered bringing back the DOOM series of posts? It seems appropriate.

I think Monty got DOOMed out. I'd love for him to return, though.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:25 AM (/eBe8)

282 "lobster eating wookie"
sorry, I'm pissed off.

Posted by: gdonovan at November 09, 2012 08:25 AM (BCk1S)

283 >>> Once again: why are WE not addressing voter fraud?.and visibly and vocally?

Because they didn't need it and they out-organized the GOP with great dexterity and competence?

http://nyti.ms/S4lTrB

http://slate.me/S4lN3d

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:26 AM (SKX2R)

284 Already have had Palinistas saying they stayed home last night on another thread. Did the Paultards do the same?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 09, 2012 08:26 AM (VrVBw)

285 "But what he apparently wasn't is a "turnout specialist" as John E. has so plainly indicated. "

While its fun to blame the software and I am sure it had a large effect, it cannot have had a larger effect than the MSM.

Also, be realistic. People want to keep their heads in the sand for as long as possible.

California elected the guy who let government employees unionize. They also just agreed to a "temporary" tax increase.

People are dumb.

California also offer some insight into how the budget will go. We have cut the social safety net in order to keep paying the government employees super salaries.

If this happens nationally, it will be interesting.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:27 AM (1fvrg)

286 Honestly, I've been thinking the latter. Declare, "Obama, your programs will destroy the economy. But since you're so fucking smart, and the people want you, and you want to be a dictator anyway, we're going to give you everything you want. Let's see what happens"

And then have every Republican vote "present" on every single piece of Obama legislation. Light a match and bust the joint out.
Posted by: Martin at November 09, 2012 07:37 AM (MSrqi)


This is what I'm hoping for too. Give them everything they want and watch Utopia crash around them.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, SMOD devotee at November 09, 2012 08:27 AM (YOZSv)

287 A harpoon for the ORCA bubble...

Link to NPR and the Lichtman prediction.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 09, 2012 08:27 AM (eEfYn)

288 Am I crazy? I think this is the way to go.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:19 AM (sbV1u)

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You're not crazy and I completely agree.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 08:28 AM (P6QsQ)

289 I hate to agree with Samwise, but he's right.

Sure Dems cheat. It's always been the case. But it's not likely to have changed the outcome of the race. We got beat. Hard.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 09, 2012 08:28 AM (fCMdQ)

290 "266 Moderate and liberal GOPers got their candidate and stayed home. Socons n evangelicals voted."

Evidence?

I think busy/elderly/confused GOPers stayed home because nobody reminded/collected them.

I am getting more convinced there was a massive logistics failure.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 08:28 AM (sv/s3)

291 I think the cake analogy makes sense - it could have been a bunch of things that were worth a couple of bps but added togehter gave O his 2% margin i.e. Sandy/Christie, War on Womyn, ORCA, the MSM, Akin/Mourdock, some conservatives sitting out, some anti-Morman, etc.

Posted by: NoBama12 at November 09, 2012 08:28 AM (ykY2u)

292 http://fearofablackrepublican.com/

Interesting trailer. If you don't ask for the vote, you don't get it.

For some reason I really enjoy Cornel West saying "They will solicit Martians. They will solicit Negroes."

The guy is batshit left, but the way he said that was funny.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:29 AM (1fvrg)

293 So where is the org chart showing line responsibility for ORCA within the Campaign? Who were the top staffers? Contractors? Have they been paid in full? Bonuses?

Someone has this info -- cough it up please.

Posted by: DaMav at November 09, 2012 08:29 AM (rT08W)

294 >>> While its fun to blame the software and I am sure it had a large effect, it cannot have had a larger effect than the MSM.

Sure. The leftist media was more corrupt than I've ever seen.

However, it is a free market and there is Fox, Rush, here, etc. If people choose to watch mainstream media more than the former, that's their privilege.

B*tching about how the media is against won't help much. Outcompeting them there with a media product people want to watch might, including more conservative reporters.

They're not illegal; they're just rare. You could always go to journalism school.

And I'm serious.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:29 AM (SKX2R)

295 The wealthy already have their money and are now
hiding most of it. They could give a flying fuck that the rest of us
poor schlubs now have no way of becoming successful, as opposed to
barely existing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2012 08:22 AM (XkWWK)


You start at the bottom 50% of the 1%. You drag enough folks down a notch, all of a sudden you're looking at 3-4M new Republican voters.

They wait "fairness." Well, that's my definition of fairness.

Personally, I no longer give a shit about the "job creators" because (a) they're not creating jobs, given that $2 trillion of private capital is on the sidelines and (b) they vote for Obama anyway. What they are all about it pulling up the ladder of success after they've gotten what they wanted.

Once your income is in the $3-4M range, you can afford a lot of legal help to make sure you stay there. The rest of us who would LIKE to be there? They don't care.

I also agree - with some caveats - that going after the 1% insulates the REAL job creators. They are the small business owners who file personal returns for their businesses and are in the $200-600K per year range. Those are the people who need to be protected because they are the ones who create 2/3ds of all the jobs in this country.

Hey, the rich wanted class warfare, they voted for it in spades, let them have it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:30 AM (sbV1u)

296 My theory is that the Republicans must try to sell
their side, but they just get ignored, and no matter how skilled you
are, being ignored is just being ignored.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM


The Republicans are starting to turn themselves into capital-V Victims.

"We wuz robbed by that shithead McLame!!11!!" "Romney got 3 million votes less than teh awful RINO!!11!!" "Teh SARACUUUUDAAAA!!11!! would save us if the Media didn't shit all over her!!11!!"

I expect to see the Compromise Crew come to the fore now, giving Choom Boy everything he wants. Because then he'll "own it." Does that ever work? No. He'll get his way and use the power given him by the Republicans to keep on doing stupid shit.

It's easier to complain than do the hard work of selling a coherent, sensible policy to the mouth-breathers among the voting public.

The only way I can see to stop the current tide is to cut off Obama's money supply. Make the treasonous fuckweasel stay in the White House, take away his ability to dole out Free Shit. That may not win us votes, but it will help save the country.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 09, 2012 08:30 AM (yKUrR)

297
"The downside there (I agree with you, btw) is that no nation has ever recovered itself after the 'burn to the ground' phase. None. Ever. "

And the list of those nations who have survived our kinder, gentler, slow-motion, $16T and counting crash is long and distinguished?

Look, a week ago I ridiculed those who think as I do now. I said we were damn luckyafter the Revolution and the Civil War to thrive and prosper the way we did and we should never roll those dice again. Tyrrany was sure to be our payout.

There was at least hope of a step back from the brink, a half-step toward sanity, and a condemnation of past practices. The manner in which Romney, a moderate, meet-me-halfway peace offering of acandidate if there ever was one, was beaten by The Free Shit Army told me I was wrong. Tyrrany is here. The tyrrany of the majority. The tyrrany of too much "democracy".

Tyrrany doesn't listen to reason. Tyrrany can't do math. Tyrrany has no sense or right and wrong. Tyrrany doesn't care a whit about anything but perpetuating itself.

Tyrrany has to die in a fire of its own creation.

Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 08:30 AM (4I3Uo)

298 We can NOT address voter fraud for several reasons:

Location, location, location.

Its like real estate.

Where does the overwhelming amount of fraud occur? In blue state bluer than blue urban districts like those in Philly yesterday.


The hard core "minority" commies control the district and the polls. Their "minority" mayor protects them from prosecution.


Their Democrat Government protects the mayor and the fraudulent poll sitters.


This at the same time they prevent efforts to make it harder to cheat.


In short, there is not much of a GD thing red State conservatives can do about it in blue State hells.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:30 AM (YdQQY)

299 "And then have every Republican vote "present" on every single piece of Obama legislation. Light a match and bust the joint out."

OK, this is good. I hadn't thought of this strategy.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:30 AM (1fvrg)

300 can we make this a pay site with scholarships for
out of work conservatives.....it's a sure way to keep the lib/troll
filth away.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (Ho2rs)
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Brilliant idea. I'm in.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 08:31 AM (P6QsQ)

301 Morning, all!

As you may or may not have noticed, I've been AWOL from the HQ the last few days. As you probably expect, it was because of this fucked up election result. I've progressed quickly through the stages of grief -- you don't want to know how much I bawled my frigging eyes out Tuesday night -- and have reached ... well, not acceptance. I don't accept what happened. I know I have to live with it, but I don't accept it. Instead of acceptance, I've chosen to circle back around to replace the "acceptance" phase with round two of "anger." I'm so fucking furious, it's pretty mindblowing.

I've decided I want to make it my personal mission to absolutely, unequivocably destroy the MFM. I'm issuing an RFP as to the best ways to do so. And I don't mean the standard things -- boycotts, nasty letters, etc. I want to find fun, creative ways to make the MFM's existence a living hell. I don't want the major media outlets to merely wither and die on the vine; I want them to be utterly, completely, irrevocably bankrupted and tossed on the ash heap of irrelevancy. And I want it to happen NOW.

Suggestions?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:31 AM (4df7R)

302 >>> So where is the org chart showing line responsibility for ORCA within the Campaign? Who were the top staffers? Contractors? Have they been paid in full? Bonuses?

Pretty sure Romney's at the top of that chart. Part of the job of the President (actually, maybe his biggest) is picking good people as both Reagan and W. Bush especially emphasized in their management styles. This was supposed to be one of Romney's strengths.

HOWEVER. A criticism levelled against him sometimes is that he's too loyal to his staff and hated firing people he knew, which is paradoxical given his successful work at Bain. So I'm curious who screwed up there too.

I'm also curious why Romney didn't catch this kinda important detail about this little bit vital part of his campaign and correct it.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:32 AM (SKX2R)

303 I will not blame Romney for the ORCA failure. Did you want him to stress test it himself, along with everything else he was doing?


I'm sure he thought that the people put in charge of it were competent....so he was wrong about that. But how would he know that ahead of time? I blame whoever was in charge of it.

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 08:32 AM (X6akg)

304 I don't know how many people think like I do but with the Bush tax cuts set to expire and uncertainty about whether they'll continue I intend to keep our home budget cut to the bone. No non-essential spending.

We are about to enter the Christmas season which a lot of merchants describe as their 'make or break' period. If enough people begin to tighten their belts
for the coming austerity it's gonna be the end for a lot of business that has barely survived the past four years.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (feFL6)

305 Oh FFS. We have to listen to the gay hobbit (not you AtC) again today???


I do prefer omni Took, it's true.


In somewhat related news, does anyone have the comment script link handy?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (VtjlW)

306 It wasn't Benghazi. It was a freakin' election loss. There was absolutely nothing he could do about it. He had work to begin the next morning, not least of which since he and his Congress are the last bulwark.

Yes, God forbid Boner actually give some thought as to how to punch the JEF back twice as hard. Can't have him miss his beauty sleep.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (zF6Iw)

307 266 Moderate and liberal GOPers got their candidate and stayed home. Socons n evangelicals voted."



Evidence?



I think busy/elderly/confused GOPers stayed home because nobody reminded/collected them.



I am getting more convinced there was a massive logistics failure.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 08:28 AM (sv/s3)

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All the evidence has been posted and reposted on multiple threads for two days. There are whole threads about it. Look it up.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 08:33 AM (P6QsQ)

308 #294 - valid point but for some reason Fox was just as bad on R/pro-O as the other networks this campaign. Watching all the stuff now coming after the election (job cuts, iran drone, sandy a mess, etc) makes you wonder

Posted by: NoBama12 at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (ykY2u)

309 can we make this a pay site with scholarships for
out of work conservatives.....it's a sure way to keep the lib/troll
filth away..... Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 08:23 AM (Ho2rs)
---------------Brilliant idea. I'm in Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 09, 2012 08:31 AM (P6QsQ)


I would be SO down with that.

Ace? How much per year for commenting privileges?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (sbV1u)

310 I would be SO down with that.

Ace? How much per year for commenting privileges?


Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:34 AM (sbV1u)


But, then he might become one of the rich. And pull up his ladder.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (da5Wo)

311 Its ironic that the party that believes in Big Government wins based on better software developed by the free market than the free market party.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:36 AM (1fvrg)

312 I'm thirsty...

Posted by: Tree of Liberty at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (izA2D)

313 Tyrrany doesn't listen to reason. Tyrrany can't do
math. Tyrrany has no sense or right and wrong. Tyrrany doesn't care a
whit about anything but perpetuating itself.

Tyrrany has to die in a fire of its own creation.



Posted by: Jaws at November 09, 2012 08:30 AM (4I3Uo)

Which is why gun sales are (still) blowing through the roof.

Posted by: washington nearsider at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (fwARV)

314 I also know several Asian immigrants who rarely return home, and prefer America, and they hate the GOP because its "racist."

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That's what I said. Like Hispanics, they are still subjected to, and believe, the cacophony of lies spewing forth from the lips of all those that communicate the message. The entire media, celebs, academia....they all regurgitate that R's are bigoted, old, white and are tampon stealers....and they are believed, not just by blacks or Hispanics, but now, seemingly other races of people who do not know history and do not think past their own noses.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (lTVJy)

315 To hell with this second guessing. Everyone had it right the first night. There are more people who want goodies than there are those to pay for them.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (l3vZN)

316 I don't know how many people think like I do but with the Bush tax cuts set to expire and uncertainty about whether they'll continue I intend to keep our home budget cut to the bone. No non-essential spending.

Yep. Me, too. In my case, though, it's not only because money is tight, but because it's time to starve the beast from all directions.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (4df7R)

317 But, then he might become one of the rich. And pull up his ladder. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:35 AM (da5Wo)

We know where he keeps his hobo skinning knives. One expose in Vanity Fair, and he'll be shunned. Then he'll be at our level again.

It will be like that episode of Kramer where he takes karate lessons with kids. At the end, all he gets is "tiny little fists of fury."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (sbV1u)

318 #302/303 - I remember about a week before the election Gillespie or some other R high up claiming R's ground game was awesome and 10x better than McCain's and would lead to huge R turnout - they ketp citing all the doors knocked on/mailers/phone calls, etc - so either they were clueless or lying.

Posted by: NoBama12 at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (ykY2u)

319 Liberals who went ape shit over Citizens United won't find it interesting that Boeing waited until after the election to announce lay offs.

Only the Left could believe corporations are not afraid of government.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (1fvrg)

320 "Hispanics like Big Government. Even if we please them with Amnesty, they still vote DEM due to handouts"

Amnesty is not the answer, but not sure they like big government that much. Latinos own a lot of small businesses, tiny even - like street carts selling churros; they try to find work, any kind of work if there is any; sure there is a percentage who are dependent on govt handouts, but, it seems a lot of kids strive for education, try to go to college at least....This is my own observation, be nice to see studies - from more than one source. So, no business person likes to give more than needed to government, no person who wants to do better than his parents, will want to live from handout to handout; I believe they will be open to small government, less red tape, tax cuts, strong nuclear family message that conservatives have. We have good messengers too.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (WR5xI)

321 "That's what I said. Like Hispanics, they are still subjected to, and believe, the cacophony of lies spewing forth from the lips of all those that communicate the message. The entire media, celebs, academia....they all regurgitate that R's are bigoted, old, white and are tampon stealers....and they are believed, not just by blacks or Hispanics, but now, seemingly other races of people who do not know history and do not think past their own noses."

OK, so what do we do about it?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (1fvrg)

322 But hey, Dream Act specialist Senator Rubio is off to IOWA today. Another pro amnesty GOPer who couldnt deliver his own state.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (VrVBw)

323
In case you missed it yesterday. Vote count for West is showing some good signs.

http://is.gd/Wahszo

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 06:47 AM (YdQQY)



If he wins make him speaker of the house. Get rid of the orange dude

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (1Jaio)

324 >>> I will not blame Romney for the ORCA failure. Did you want him to stress test it himself, along with everything else he was doing?

Great.

The guy in charge of an organization is not responsible for the results of mission-critical parts of his organization.

Wonderful principle. With after-action debriefing and accountability like this, I totally predict a series of GOP election successes now.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (SKX2R)

325 Which is why gun sales are (still) blowing through the roof.
Posted by: washington nearsider at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (fwARV)


My sweet sister and her hubby are going to buy a gun. My sister has all the menace of a gumdrop, but she is P-I-S-S-E-D about this election. That will make her damn scary with a gun.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (4df7R)

326 It will be like that episode of Kramer where he
takes karate lessons with kids. At the end, all he gets is "tiny little
fists of fury."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:38 AM (sbV1u)


That might be my fav Seinfeld episode.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (da5Wo)

327 Village idiot's apprentice at 250:

I can only tell you now it will take money to build a small army of people who will do what it takes like the unions do. And you will need people to do whatever it takes.

We are starting small. But there is a small window of opportunity to blow up a lot bigger based on the MA ballot initiative decriminalizing medical marijuana.

Getting dope heads on your team and motivated is actually doable. And because of the terrible branding problem of the GOP here in MA, there are a shit ton of conservatives who sit things out or support Ron Paul.

As far as actually leveling the playing field on vote fraud, it will take a little doing. I understand conventional GOTV best practices as well as anyone. But to then get non-voter's votes to count, I need some help on this.

Luckily, I have an operative on my team who was in his youth a flaming communist, who worked for Nancy Pelosi, Ron Dellums, and ACORN.

He knows vote fraud.

Look, I can't promise anything in this regard but I can tell you all avenues are being explored. Here in MA the democrats are an occupying force in a pretty close to moderate electorate, believe it or not. And in Bristol County, population ~700,000, we have produced half the Republican state Reps and Senators that are on Beacon Hill.

The ground is ripe for a turnaround.

Posted by: Truman North at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (+EYUY)

328 I'm thinking we need to refuse to answer on social issues. Those issues properly belong with the states and we should say so loud and long. Start re-educating people about federalism and if you are asked for your thoughts on abortion, it's a matter for the states; educaton, it's a matter for the states; welfare, it's a matter for the states.

And point out that making all of these items a matter for the states will shrink the federable gummint to its proper size and the people, bless their slimy little bread-and-circus-chasing hearts, will have much more say over everything than they can ever have if things are decided in Washington.

We're starting from scratch, so we should start now.

Posted by: Tonestaple at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (gvVlx)

329 My sister has all the menace of a gumdrop, but she is P-I-S-S-E-D about this election. That will make her damn scary with a gun. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (4df7R)

Just make sure she THOROUGHLY understands things like "castle" and "brandishing" laws.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (sbV1u)

330 You could always go to journalism school.



And I'm serious.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:29 AM (SKX2R)


I could burn dollar bills in the driveway and at least get some heat from them. STFU and go away.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (miuQT)

331 54 52 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 07:11 AM (feFL6)

It's the OJ verdict all over again. The civil rights movement, after Dr. King, was - IS - not about justice. It's all about REVENGE.

There's that word again. Hmmm.....

That's actually a great comment. The whole point of Dinesh Dsouzas's (sp?) movie 2016 was that Obama is not a simple Marixst, Socialist, (insert ist here). That would be more manageable. He argues Obama is a "post colonialist," the third world idea, popularized in Kenya et al, that all the problems of struggling nations can be traced to colonialism.
AND, the whole point of anti-colonialism is, heh, revenge...

Posted by: Bad Sister Zoot at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (Pmlcl)

332 Okay, I know I am late to the whole "bitter recriminations" saga. But I've been reflecting on what has to happen. Here are my thoughts so far.

1. Blaming the So-Cons is stupid and pathetic. Social conservatives turned out in higher proportion this election, even as total vote count fell.

2. The choice really isn't between moderate vs. conservative. The choice is between inspiring vs. dull. Mitt ended up inspiring, but only towards the end. He needed to be that way all along and create an air of invincibility.

3. I read the GQ article that Ace linked (on NARWHAL) with alarm. It seems that what Team Obama did was to essentially create a cult. Once you stepped inside the cult, then you got bombarded with *tailored* messages about why Obama was such a wonderful guy and why Romney was such a mean meanie. Due to the personalized media that we all consume, that became their information bubble. We have to do something similar, except not as creepy and cultish, but to create a unity of purpose within our team.

4. Part of me really does believe that we have to get back to old-school ward-heeler politics. Create a place where people can get help for their problems under the banner of a political organization. The local Tea Party shouldn't be just protesting, they should be offering job placement help, picnics, parties, networking opportunities, meet 'n' greet with local politicos, etc. As it stands now, I gotta tell you, the local Tea Party here has degenerated into a bunch of Glenn Beck conspiracy loons. THAT has got to change.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (d/5qf)

333 My sweet sister and her hubby are going to buy a
gun. My sister has all the menace of a gumdrop, but she is P-I-S-S-E-D
about this election. That will make her damn scary with a gun.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (4df7R)


I was talking with, I believe, AllenG about this yesterday. Mrs 1981 has already approved a second handgun and a shotgun, as well as, plenty of ammo.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (da5Wo)

334 Just make sure she THOROUGHLY understands things like "castle" and "brandishing" laws.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:41 AM (sbV1u)


Oh, she will be. Her minister is a big gun nut; he's going to teach them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (4df7R)

335 Suggestions?

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MWR, I went through everything you did these last few days. I've said it before and will say it again. I've reached a calm about it and no longer see a viable path for our country to survive. My solace, however demented, will come from watching those that contributed to this clusterf*ck go down hard. Nonetheless, I'm right there with you on the destruction of the media, including Fox, who is only slightly to the right of the others. I have no real suggestions other than we have to continue to grow the new media.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (lTVJy)

336 @ Runner

My suggestion was to break "amnesty" into smaller chunks and make it look like we actually like them.

So, first make sure people who already could be legal are legal. Make a big deal out of it. There is no harm because they could easily get green card/become citizens.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (1fvrg)

337 I don't get why people think we have a dog in this fight - i.e. - as if the RNC is on 'our side.' Once you view it through the filter that says that both sides agree on the one key thing - getting your money and your property out of your hands and into theirs, and their friends pockets - everything fits. Why isn't the RNC more heartbroken at the results? Why aren't they investigating all the obvious fraud? Why concede early? Because for all intents and purposes THEY won on Tuesday too. Mo money mo money mo money from what used to be yo money. Maybe, once they seize your IRA's and 401ks you'll start to get it. (It's the last big untapped source of cash, so yes - it's coming very soon.) I'm not playing anymore. I'm not backing candidates (thieves) from any party. And I won't treat them any of them any other way other than with the contempt I rightly reserve for all criminals and parasites. The RNC is as dead to me as this kabuki theater we call our 'political process.' Beginning today, I'm registering as a Dem, and would recommend (to everyone) investing in bribery, favors, and private investigators digging up dirt on 'the connected'. I will extract my value and then some. I think I'll start w/ my new (D) ward boss...I'm sure if I scratch it a bit, I'll find something ugly to use and twist. Voting is for suckers.

Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (NBj0d)

338 Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:36 AM (1fvrg)
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Fascists seem to have a knackfor employing cutting edge technology. The third reich was one of the first to use IBM on a large scale.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (jm/9g)

339 That might be my fav Seinfeld episode. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (da5Wo)

Did you dominate your dojo too?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (sbV1u)

340 The guy in charge of an organization is not responsible for the results of mission-critical parts of his organization.



Wonderful principle. With after-action debriefing and accountability
like this, I totally predict a series of GOP election successes now.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:39 AM (SKX2R)


Seriously Sam, what EXACTLY did you want him to do about it personally?

Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (X6akg)

341 YES. Any negotiations must be public. I would prefer them to all be on paper, too.

http://tinyurl.com/aouewn

Private negotiations end in one thing: blame the GOP if they fail.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (1fvrg)

342 When Obama reneges, but the media never mentions that and blame Boehner, until finally Woodward's book gets the truth out way too late, is this due to GOP incompetence at communications or simply the DSM at work?

My theory is that the Republicans must try to sell their side, but they just get ignored, and no matter how skilled you are, being ignored is just being ignored.
Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (1fvrg)
_____
Agreed; the media polyopoly must be broken. I'm not sure how - but there were some good suggestions in yesterday's threads (leveraged buyouts of news companies, digging through news anchors' trash-cans, thinking like Breitbart, etc). Our side would win in a fair fight every time. But not with one hand tied behind our backs, an opponent with plaster in his boxing gloves, and sucker punches from the ref.

Posted by: Dante at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (NWLVJ)

343 The wealthy already have their money and are now hiding most of it. They could give a flying fuck that the rest of us poor schlubs now have no way of becoming successful, as opposed to barely existing

That is total bullshit. Most of the wealthy earned their money, and remember full well what it was like to be poor or middle class. Those who have made money are under no obligation to help you earn yours.

The best thing we can do from a political perspective is create a system where equal opportunity exists for people who work hard to make a lot of money. Giving the poor subsistence level checks only enslaves them, and allowing the poor and lower middle class to think that "the rich" are somehow responsible for their woes only puts off the inevitable day of reckoning when they will have to come to grips with the fact that they are in large part under-performing because they make bad decisions.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 09, 2012 08:44 AM (bS6uW)

344 Did you dominate your dojo too?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:43 AM (sbV1u)


There's only one thing I care to dominate.



Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (da5Wo)

345 Another thing my sister is doing: usually when they donate to their church, they do it in cash. But if they use a check, they can use it as a tax deduction. So they're going to pay by check from now on.

Stave the beast.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (4df7R)

346 >>> I think busy/elderly/confused GOPers stayed home because nobody reminded/collected them.

Yes, exactly Bevel. John E. from here wrote a post about it, linked above in this post, that's been read across the political world over the last couple days.

I've done some election turnout work in the past. Strike lists are just SO basic.

I mean, I can't they got all wowed by an HTML5 app (which sounds impressive, but it's a cheap alternative compared to dedicated iOS, Android, and Blackberry apps) that relied on wireless internet connections, using https for some reason, without a forward from the http site (which, as a former webmaster, I'll tell you is just an automatic thing for anyone with any brains) AND a fucking missing www to http://www forward!

That is fucking retarded like you wouldn't believe.

9.95 a month hosting companies have this option in their web panels you can set up in like a minute, but could the Romney campaign bother to do it?

No they could not.

Meanwhile, the democrats are using top-flight behaviorial scientists to not only micro-target voters and sway them to Obama, but then to push their individual hot buttons to get them to turn out.

A little different?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (SKX2R)

347 Posted by: chemjeff at November 09, 2012 08:42 AM (d/5qf)
___
Your fourth option is really effective, especially in breaking the barriers between "tribes". Community involvement, outreach, and networking. Kind of like how JEF made it up through the ranks.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (jm/9g)

348 @ Tami, we make fun of Obama for claiming his campaign success to be "experience" but its true....Mitt should have hired someone better and had a back-up.

Are you going to give Obama the same pass on Benghazi? "He's too far up the chain of command to know what's going on?"

Also, I KNOW Mitt Romney would blame himself for ORCA if it failed.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (1fvrg)

349 * I mean, I can't BELIEVE they got all worked up ....

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (SKX2R)

350 There's only one thing I care to dominate. Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:45 AM (da5Wo)

Ah yes. Master of your domain and all that.

Flog on.

...

Oh, you meant something else?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (sbV1u)

351 The Republicans are starting to turn themselves into capital-V Victims.

I think this may get closer to the point than I would normally care to admit.

Think about it, though, what do we do during the off years to educate people? We've ost the education system- maybe we'll get our crap together and win it back over the next 30+ years, but we probably won't. So we have to educate people.

But we don't.

According to exit poling solicited by Breitbart Judicial Watch, 77% of voters believe that the Media will get behind a candidate even at the cost of their own credibility. Only 19% of respondent didn't believe that. So people already know that what the Media is saying about Republicans is untrue, but they don't know what the truth is.

And Republicans don't educate them. We hold "CPAC" and "FreePAC" and "BlogCon." We have Tea Parties and local GOP meetings. None of that engages people who aren't intensely political.

The GOP needs to start getting into the Popular Culture war- big time. We know there are Conservatives in Hollywood- if they want things to be better, they need to step up and start making some good Conservative movies.

But they need to be "movies" not "films."

"Stuff" should blow up. There should be boobies. Bad guys should die in spectacular fashion.

Zombies should rise from their graves. More "stuff" should blow up. There should be more boobies. Stereotypical examples of "takers" should die in gruesome and interesting ways. Stereotypical examples of "makers" should win the day through sacrifice and hard work.

The perky, smart girl who is nevertheless socially awkward should win the boy through good values and honesty. The inevitable tension should not come from her (or him) telling a lie and having to apologize, but from her (or him) being truthful about something, and the other having to find a way to come to terms with it.

The GOP should be a minor sponsor of a NASCAR driver (I recommend Danica Patrick, but that's just me).

They should hold concerts and conventions for people who aren't political.

If Madonna can screech out her politics from the stage and get away with it, Lynnyrd Skynnyrd should, too.

The thing is, none of these should be overtly political- but the politics, and the values, should be in there nonetheless. And we shouldn't be afraid to talk about them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (/eBe8)

352

On the Mormon thing.

My mother has been a Democrat all her life -- no waivering. Straight ticket Dem. She is also a devout Catholic. This was the first time she refused to vote Democrat due to obama and what he is doing to the Catholics.

But, she said she would never vote for a Mormon. She said she didn't know what she would do.

And, I haven't asked. I argued as much as I could re: marxist v nothing...

Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (LpQbZ)

353 290 I think busy/elderly/confused GOPers stayed home because nobody reminded/collected them.


If they needed reminding after fours years of this mess we call an "economy", Obamacare, a rogue EPA, (among all of the other alphabet agencies), it's better that they did stay home. That way we won't have to waste precious resources on Amber Alerts. Because they are too stupid to be let out in public.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (d0Dmj)

354 All of this anguish over GOTV efforts by the Party is a side issue. The commie choom effort was actually a damn failure. He had 10 million fewer votes than last time.


Our Party effort for GOTV has always been shit. But when we had a candidate that conservative supported and the Dems had shit sticks we won.


Well the Dems had a shit stick this time and we still lost. BECAUSE 69% Republicans sat at home!


As I said before we do not know why. Al we do here is speculate.


It wasn't conservatives and I point to SC because it is one of the most conservative States in the union and Republican turnout was good.


It wasn't evangelicals and I again point to SC which has one of the largest church going populations in the country. In fact, the religious in this State still RUN the State and I point to the Sunday blue laws for that.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:48 AM (YdQQY)

355 Some interesting interactions post-election.
I've run into a few, not many, blacks who voted for Obama but simply didn't expect he'd win, or that he deserved to. They know his policies suck, etc and they were voting in solidarity to race mostly to save face for him and by extension themselves, but they did expect whites and others would knock him out solidly otherwise. When I run into them and they choose to talk about it at all, they kind of look at the floor and murmur "... well, at least its over..."
Most had internalized that their vote never counted for much anyway so no harm no foul. They are currently reconsidering that. You can consider that either something to get angry about or realize there may be an opportunity within that reconsideration period to reach out to them.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (3ZtZW)

356 It will be like that episode of Kramer where he takes karate lessons
with kids. At the end, all he gets is "tiny little fists of fury."


Related: I tuned out politics for a couple hours yesterday and turned on my talk radio sports station. A 'dad' calls in and says his 5 yr old son was a Dallas cowboy fan. So they're playing touch football together in the back yard and the dad asks the boy what team he wants to be. 'Cowboys', the boy says. So they start the game as the dad being the 'Eagles' and tackles the son, strips the ball from his hands and runs into the end zone. Repeats it a couple times. Finally, the dad says to the son, 'You want to try being the Eagles now?'

Son agrees. The dad rolls over and lets the son win.

Son becomes big Eagles fan after that. Psychology. How does that work?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (feFL6)

357 Well, another glorious day in the new Socialist Paradise is about to start. Looks like the market will be in the crapper again today (futures down ~50) so I need to get prepare to lose more money. You all have as nice a Friday as you can.

Is that SMOD fellow still taking on new followers?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (qEkGZ)

358 And we shouldn't be afraid to talk about them Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (/eBe

You forgot to add "and there should be boobies" at the end of that last sentence.

Two internetz, puh-leeze.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:50 AM (sbV1u)

359 Other than demographics, the dems great turnout op, and Sandy/Christie, this is the key factor I think, and John E. and Bevel nailed it:

"I think busy/elderly/confused GOPers stayed home because nobody reminded/collected them."

This is done in EVERY election. Strike lists, calling voters who haven't showed up yet to remind them, offer to drive them.

I mean for god sakes.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (SKX2R)

360 Most had internalized that their vote never counted for much anyway so no harm no foul. They are currently reconsidering that. You can consider that either something to get angry about or realize there may be an opportunity within that reconsideration period to reach out to them.
Posted by: uterus cannon at November 09, 2012 08:49 AM (3ZtZW)


This is a good point.

But I'm done reaching out.

I invite others to do so in my stead. Personally, the first person who mentions "Obama" to me in anything but derisive terms is going to get a loogie on their shoe for their troubles.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:51 AM (4df7R)

361 it's great to be green!

Posted by: Kermit at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (pakVN)

362 You forgot to add "and there should be boobies" at the end of that last sentence.

I'm moderately surprised you kept reading past the first mention of boobies.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (/eBe8)

363 Chemjeff is right. We need to establish an organization to do what the RNC is suppose to do.

The RNC has degenerated into a faction hobbled twin to an apathy ladened government agency. We need an outline of plan that could be pitched to the big money donors to establish a better way.

There is a lot of volunteer talent and labor across the country that could be tapped on a permanent basis, if there was an infrastructure there to support and stroke it. If done right, it could accomplish far more than with the same dollars pissed away on ineffective television advertising and tossed away direct mail.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (ZDsRL)

364 @351

If we wish to reduce the Democrats institutionsal advantages, we can do so.

1) School vouchers.

2) Move tax day to one week before the election. I'd offer Obama whatever he wants just for this. Let voters see the price tag before voting.

3) Get rid of witholding taxes. I am self employed and sending in those estimated taxes is painful.

4) Pass a Swiss style law that does not allow spending above GDP rate...its complicated, but they did it. Very wise.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (1fvrg)

365 346 Meanwhile, the democrats are using top-flight behaviorial scientists to
not only micro-target voters and sway them to Obama, but then to push
their individual hot buttons to get them to turn out.


Go ahead. Hire who you want. Micro-target me. Spend billions of dollars to sway me to Obama. Figure out how you can make me believe that killing babies in their mother's womb is ok.

I'll wait.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (d0Dmj)

366 On the Mormon thing.



My mother has been a Democrat all her life -- no waivering.
Straight ticket Dem. She is also a devout Catholic. This was the first
time she refused to vote Democrat due to obama and what he is doing to
the Catholics.



But, she said she would never vote for a Mormon. She said she didn't know what she would do.



And, I haven't asked. I argued as much as I could re: marxist v nothing...





Posted by: sunshine the beach at November 09, 2012 08:47 AM (LpQbZ)


I wouldn't give a rat's ass if Mitt worshiped Bugs Bunny. He would have been much better for the country than that commie prick

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (1Jaio)

367 Oh and just so you all know, IMO Missouri is about to become a swing state again. Democrats won all of the statewide offices in the election, except for one (Lt. Gov.), and that one the Republican incumbent won just barely. So the D's are developing a strong bench for the 2016 election when MO's next Senate election comes up.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 09, 2012 08:53 AM (d/5qf)

368 I'm moderately surprised you kept reading past the first mention of boobies. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (/eBe

Elections do strange things to a man.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:54 AM (sbV1u)

369 You can't compete with the Dem GOTV machine. I don't care how fucked up the Orca project was.

Dem voters are always easy to motivate because they can connect voting with real, tangible benefits to them.

It's the difference between those who work for a living and those who vote for a living. Food stamps, welfare checks, Section 8 vouchers, Obamaphones: these are benefits of government that you can hold in your hand.

Add in the social issues like abortion, tampons and the very real racial hatred towards whites in this country and you automatically ensure higher Dem turnout.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (0cwsf)

370 sunshine....don't know what to say that wouldn't get me banned.....so i'll just smile...nice medicare she had there

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (Ho2rs)

371 Any Utah Morons yet?

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (YdQQY)

372 Ah yes. Master of your domain and all that.

Flog on.

...

Oh, you meant something else ?


Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (sbV1u)


lmfao

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:56 AM (da5Wo)

373 "elderly/confused GOPers "

If we have to rely on these people, God save us.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 08:57 AM (1fvrg)

374 Does anybody know how many of the Republicans we lost were Ronulans? I have a feeling when you look at the numbers you are going to find a lot of those "Republicans" stayed home or voted Johnson.

Posted by: not the mama at November 09, 2012 08:57 AM (kzCIn)

375 I'm moderately surprised you kept reading past the first mention of boobies.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 08:52 AM (/eBe


The post went past the mention of boobies...????

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (da5Wo)

376 Find issues that allow opportunities that both

A)help the working class in tangible ways

B)promote limited government solutions

School choice is a no-brainer to me. The one area where even the poor blacks who vote lockstep for Obama hate the Dem position is opposing school choice to lock their children into horrible schools. Hammer the shit out of them on it. They cannot moderate because they are so beholden to the teachers' unions.

And related to what Sean Bannion's been saying, there are ways to fashion a economic populism that supports rather than attacks capitalism. Big Business does NOT like the free market, and in fact does everything possible to restrict markets and limit competition. Make that a talking point, and show how the Dems promote cronyism and corruption that stifles the free market at the expense of the middle and working classes. Play up that "8 of 10 richest counties vote for Obama" until the cows come home.

Posted by: radar at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (zmlwq)

377 >>> Go ahead. Hire who you want.

It's not likely that the GOP can hire the same quality of behaviorial scientists in quantity: such people tend to be liberals.

A point I made above, overlooked because it's from me and also because it is incredibly un PC or palatable in general, is that the Democrats tend to get both the highest, and lowest, IQ demographics, and the GOP tends to get the middle.

Asians break 75/25 for Dems. Dems get the scientistis, media leaders. Dems get the higher-educated university grads on average. Dems get the Jewish vote, most of whom are Ashekenazi.

I'm not someone who believes biology and demographics don't play a role in politics and the political choices people make in life. A lot of it is genetics.

Difference between conservative and liberal brain, etc.

But more than that.

Yes, I've said nothing anyone will want to agree with and that's fine. But there's data to show demographic groups break for the parties roughly as I've said, by IQ.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (SKX2R)

378 Ok, I need to admit; I thought the layoff bomb was a bit of overblown hyperbole. The last few days have made it clear I underestimated the amount that corporations were willing to submit to government's wishes to hide the decline.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (moRRg)

379 Just pulled this from a post at PunditPress...interesting to say the least:
A comparison of votes in Cleveland's 6th Ward, 2012 and 20082012 results, Cleveland 6 O R 0221 CLEVELAND -06-A 701 3 0222 CLEVELAND -06-B 637 2 0223 CLEVELAND -06-C 462 4 0224 CLEVELAND -06-D 576 7 0225 CLEVELAND -06-E 505 2 0226 CLEVELAND -06-F 342 2 0227 CLEVELAND -06-G 401 3 0228 CLEVELAND -06-H 405 0 0229 CLEVELAND -06-I 477 5 0230 CLEVELAND -06-J 475 4 0231 CLEVELAND -06-K 269 35 0232 CLEVELAND -06-L 70 0 0233 CLEVELAND -06-M 419 0 0234 CLEVELAND -06-N 244 2 0235 CLEVELAND -06-O 483 11 0236 CLEVELAND -06-P 438 2 0237 CLEVELAND -06-Q 561 14 0238 CLEVELAND -06-R 597 69 0239 CLEVELAND -06-S 386 9 0240 CLEVELAND -06-T 148 1 0241 CLEVELAND -06-U 118 0 0242 CLEVELAND -06-V 530 10 total votes in 6th ward 2012 -- obama 9244 romney 185Obama gets 98% to Romney's 2%2008 results, Cleveland 6Obama McCain 0270 CLEVELAND -06-A 279 19 0271 CLEVELAND -06-B 153 22 0272 CLEVELAND -06-C 4 0 0273 CLEVELAND -06-D 158 14 0274 CLEVELAND -06-E 8 1 0275 CLEVELAND -06-F 304 133 0276 CLEVELAND -06-G 345 12 0277 CLEVELAND -06-H 337 5 0278 CLEVELAND -06-I 296 16 0279 CLEVELAND -06-J 218 8 0280 CLEVELAND -06-K 201 45 0281 CLEVELAND -06-L 279 9 0282 CLEVELAND -06-M 303 10 0283 CLEVELAND -06-N 273 6 0284 CLEVELAND -06-O 317 74 0285 CLEVELAND -06-P 397 8 0286 CLEVELAND -06-Q 348 10 0287 CLEVELAND -06-R 256 24 0288 CLEVELAND -06-S 498 17 0289 CLEVELAND -06-T 183 67 0290 CLEVELAND -06-U 287 3 0291 CLEVELAND -06-V 224 18 0292 CLEVELAND -06-W 111 3 0293 CLEVELAND -06-X 35 0 total votes 6th ward 2008 -- obama 5814 McCain 524

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (2zM0P)

380 Heh. My state has gotten so damn red we just went GOP in the state house and Senate for the first time since 1874. A fukkin bloodbath for donks.

Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (OlN4e)

381 "Go ahead. Hire who you want. Micro-target me. Spend billions of dollars to sway me to Obama. Figure out how you can make me believe that killing babies in their mother's womb is ok. "

You don't know what micro-targeting means then.

They know that you won't budge on abortions, so they send you emails about the unfairness of the BCS system or whatever turns you on.

Many people are easily motivated like that. My little sister (grad student) only cared about the abortion and social issues. You could explain to your blue in the face about the economy as I did and another relative, and it does not matter.

"Obama gave me a phone."

I still want to know who owns that Obamaphone website and how they make money off applicants clicking through.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (1fvrg)

382 And I know some people don't want to hear it, but.....become the party of marijuana decriminalization. It would start to change our image with younger voters and promotes a limited government outlook

Posted by: radar at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (zmlwq)

383 Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 09:00 AM (2zM0P)

Well that was meaningful.

Care to translate?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (sbV1u)

384 @263

As I said, it may not have been THE factor, but it works with every thing else. Voter fraud grows more and more every election because, again, we don't DO anything about it. We just say, "Oh, we need to make it not close enough so that the margin of fraud will allow them to win it." And their attempts are blatant and more brazen each year. No one on our side that matters will actually try to fight it.

If it's easy to believe that Obama could win this election despite how TERRIBLE his first four years have been, and people repeatedly polling that the economy was their number one issue and Mitt was the man to fix it... it's at least plausible that the democrats have figured out a way to move the margin of fraud in a BIG way.

Posted by: TLGM at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (appbn)

385 Which is why gun sales are (still) blowing through the roof.

Posted by: washington nearsider at November 09, 2012 08:37 AM (fwARV)



My sweet sister and her hubby are going to buy a gun. My sister has
all the menace of a gumdrop, but she is P-I-S-S-E-D about this election.
That will make her damn scary with a gun.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 08:40 AM (4df7R)

Get her trained properly. Use, laws, et al.

I picked up my MP 15 to go with my MP .40 yesterday.
I never saw a reason to own a long weapon, now I'm an owner. Thanks, Barry.

Posted by: washington nearsider at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (fwARV)

386 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 09, 2012 08:55 AM (0cwsf)


The Free Shit Army gets a return on their vote immediately (more long-term unemployment bennies, EITC, increased tax dollars for having kids) and it improves their "standard" of living NOW.


The thought of having to work for years, build a business, handle employees, pay taxes, follow regulations, etc. to have long-term success in the out years just doesn't compute for them.


We have gone from a society based on people that want to do "well" by working hard to a society based on people that want to do "well enough", preferably without working very hard or at all.

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (Cnqmv)

387 Does anybody know how many of the Republicans we lost were Ronulans? I
have a feeling when you look at the numbers you are going to find a lot
of those "Republicans" stayed home or voted Johnson.


I'm guessing over 1,000,000. Gary Johnson got the highest number of votes any Libertarian candidate has ever received.

You know, if he and Luap Nor had realized that their pet issues were back-burner issues (or already things the GOP planned to address), and had really supported Mittens, that might have been enough.

The more I see, the more I think this was death by 1000 paper-cuts. A little more here would have done it, a little more there would have done it.

It's incredibly frustrating.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (/eBe8)

388 364 If we wish to reduce the Democrats institutionsal advantages, we can do so.
-
5) Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts.

You shouldn't think, "Instapundit thought of that. He's not a conservative." You should think, "that could work!"

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (23WI9)

389 OT:

Re: the Iranian attack on our UAV:

When did the U.S. government begin referring to the Persian Gulf as the Arabian Gulf? 2009. But was if before or after Obama bowed to the House of Saud?

Posted by: RioBravo at November 09, 2012 09:01 AM (eEfYn)

390 Thank God for those Anti-Romney protest voters. We really hit paydirt this time.

Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (/ZZCn)

391 >>> Voter fraud grows more and more every election because, again, we don't DO anything about it.

Alright, what voter fraud this year?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (SKX2R)

392 All it takes is a cursory glance at the comments here to see the conservatives are the new victim class.

They continue to ignore the importance of being relevant in Hollywood. They impotently threaten boycotts of media and entertainment. The rest of the world keeps on not giving a fuck and throwing money at James Cameron.

They continue to ignore the influence of style and sexiness on the electorate. They nominate Romney, a caricature of every Repub stereotype that Libs have pushed for years now.

They cry fraud. They blame the media but don't want to get in the media game themselves.

What a joke, we all got exactly what we deserved.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (UyYYt)

393 You know, we've been here before. From Goldwater's defeat until Reagan got rolling good, we lived in a center-left country (by the standards of the time). Old conservatives and the original big-l libertarians were well used to the idea of just surviving in a hostile culture. You might as well goddam Reagan for raising false hope for half-a-generation or so.

Going back to that is going to require some mental adjustments for sure. It seems to me that none of the things I used to distract myself from the state of The State in those days are as good as they were 30 years ago. I won't make a list right now.

For those strongly considering leaving the GOP to its own and starting a new party, let me suggest that the L party is pretty easy to take over. It's been done several times. When the Browne-outs arrived, they had no problem shouldering aside a lot of guys like me, easy as Atlas shrugging. One sudden influx of pissed-off conservatives, and the druggies and one-worlders would go bother somebody else. Looks like Luapnorism is about played out. It would have to be a concerted effort, though, and I'm not going to go back in there by myself.

Posted by: comatus at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (qaVK+)

394 "Ok, I need to admit; I thought the layoff bomb was a bit of overblown hyperbole. The last few days have made it clear I underestimated the amount that corporations were willing to submit to government's wishes to hide the decline."

Consider it from another angle They were hoping Romney would win.

You don't just lay off people if there is a chance they could keep their jobs.

Libs spin this as "evil" people getting back at Obama but its really the opposite - don't fire people unless all hope is lost.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (1fvrg)

395 Alright, what voter fraud this year? Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:02 AM (SKX2R)

Philadelphia.

In spades.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (sbV1u)

396 sorry for the garbled post, but in summary Cleveland Ward 6:
2012 Obama 9244, Romney 185
2008 5814, McCain 524

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (2zM0P)

397 maddogg!!!!

i found the snake that went into the garage back in july......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (Ho2rs)

398 The market futures are much lower again and the experts can't figure out why. Blaming Barry re-election is just ridiculous according to the experts.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (1Jaio)

399 Get rid of witholding taxes. I am self employed and sending in those estimated taxes is painful.

As another one of the self-employed, I can say NOTHING makes me more aware of the tax impact of writing 5 checks a year filled out to the US Treasury. I usually make the memo line "Infernal Revenue Service," in sloppy enough letters to make it ambiguous. It makes me feel good, though it also probably put me on some kind of list.

Posted by: jakeman at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (96M6e)

400 365 346 Meanwhile, the democrats are using top-flight behaviorial scientists to
not only micro-target voters and sway them to Obama, but then to push
their individual hot buttons to get them to turn out.

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My group was recently restructured out of a healthcare company with a huge emphasis on behavioral change. Basic science was routinely ignored or ridiculed if it didn't fit the narrative that upper management was selling. It was all about starting with a narrative, then trying to figure out what will effectively convince people to buy into it. Once you have that hook, keep pounding it until enough clients/prospects believe you. I've seen "behavior change science" convince healthcare professionals to buy into dubious science. Not surprised it worked on Obama voters.

Posted by: Dante at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (NWLVJ)

401 "For those strongly considering leaving the GOP to its own and starting a new party, let me suggest that the L party is pretty easy to take over. It's been done several times. When the Browne-outs arrived, they had no problem shouldering aside a lot of guys like me, easy as Atlas shrugging. One sudden influx of pissed-off conservatives, and the druggies and one-worlders would go bother somebody else. Looks like Luapnorism is about played out. It would have to be a concerted effort, though, and I'm not going to go back in there by myself."

I considered this if only to be able to re-package the right's image.

Let's be honest there are some racist a-holes in our party, and many people think Akin is your typical Republican.

I know the so-cons will complain, but look how Toyota can coast on its previous reputation for quality. This happens in life.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:05 AM (1fvrg)

402 The Philadelphia counties that reported higher than 100% voter turnout and 99+% votes for Obama? I'll buy there's fraud going on there. Thing is? I don't think we would've won PA even without the fraud. There's fraud, I accept that. But, without Republican voters turning out (or even marginal voters who identify as Republican for whatever reason), the fraud is just padding the popular vote.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (moRRg)

403 i found the snake that went into the garage back in july......Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 09:04 AM (Ho2rs) Well? Tell me about it girl!

Posted by: maddogg at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (OlN4e)

404 corporations were willing to submit to government's wishes to hide the decline.


Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 08:58 AM (moRRg)

Government Contracting officers are employees of the liberal State.
"Nice contract you have there, be a shame if anything "more" happened to it!"

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (Cnqmv)

405 @398

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (a0nis)

406 I plan on opening a store after the first of the year, maybe employ 4 or 5 people.
Well I did before I met Mr. Galt.

Posted by: Bildo at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (eToum)

407 We have become a Nation of beta-male fucksticks.


Posted by: Fritz
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True, true.

Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (HDHmz)

408 AoSHQ article on ORCA being featured on MSNBC right now.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (ZDsRL)

409 @ jakeman

Sometimes I feel like my finances are turning around and finally, thinks are getting better.

Then I have to send in those checks and it goes "poof"

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (1fvrg)

410 @391

You didn't hear about the voting machines in multiple states flipping people's votes? With them trying to cast it multiple times before they were 'assured' they had properly voted for the guy they wanted?

Didn't hear about the people that were caught destroying republican voter registration forms? How many might have done the same, but DIDN'T get caught?

Or how about the military not being able to get its absentee ballots in time?

I reckon that's just not worth looking into much further..

Posted by: TLGM at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (appbn)

411 For some reason I am not as pessimistic about this election as i was in '08; but then in 08 there was no Tea Party, we lost both senate and house, sooo. yeah. It seems that more and more people realize that elections have consequences, those 10 million who did not show up for zero, realized it, those blacks who do not like his policies, but voted for zero because of race and...got him into the WH realize it. So, lots of soul searching there. GOP will go through even more positive reforms badly needed, get rid of the stupid, lots of new dynamic leaders there. Governorships, largest share for GOP in a generation. And, the reviews of 2012, the post mortems will show that it is not the ideas, that lost this election, just total organizational collapse, from orca to fielding morons for senate. All that can be fixed.

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (WR5xI)

412 The fact is, while BHO is an incompetant at governing, he is amazing at campaigning (or he picks a team that is, and largely gets out of their way). Team O'stheory of the election seems to have been that this is a deeply polarized country, so the old idea that you have to win over the moderates doesn't hold water any more. You win elections by firing up your base, and then getting them out to vote. They excelled at both tasks. I know I thought it was a daft idea to alienate about 2/3 of the 'independants', but it turns out having independants prefer you and having them get out to vote for you are 2 different things.
Meanwhile, Romney's theory was that he didn't have to energize the base, the base was already so disgusted by Obama that they would crawl over broken glass to vote against BHO, even if they weren't thrilled with Romney. They also figured that the independants would be swayed by a total relience on a competency argument. They turned out to be wrong on both counts. Add to that their bungling of the GOTV effort, and you have a big loss from what could have been a big win.

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (TYmew)

413 Thing is? I don't think we would've won PA even without the fraud. There's fraud, I accept that. But, without Republican voters turning out (or even marginal voters who identify as Republican for whatever reason), the fraud is just padding the popular vote. Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 09:06 AM (moRRg)


I agree with that. He just asked for an example. But no, it would not have made a difference this year.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (sbV1u)

414 On the Daily Rundown with FChuck!

Posted by: Florida Girl at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (ZvdFs)

415 @ jakeman

Sometimes I feel like my finances are turning around and finally, thinks are getting better.

Then I have to send in those checks and it goes "poof"

--

And then I get really, really angry that Solyndra gets loans, bankers get bailed out, state workers get higher salaries than me without any risk in their life, and the guys down the street drinking beer and shooting hoops on weekdays have their leisure subsidized.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (1fvrg)

416 >>> The Philadelphia counties that reported higher than 100% voter turnout and 99+% votes for Obama? I'll buy there's fraud going on there. Thing is? I don't think we would've won PA even without the fraud. There's fraud, I accept that. But, without Republican voters turning out (or even marginal voters who identify as Republican for whatever reason), the fraud is just padding the popular vote.

I'll certainly concede there was probably Democrat fraud and it should be stopped and there should be voter ID laws.

But no one is showing how the fraud this year was worse than in 2008, say.

Whereas there are several other reasons for the defeat, which matched the polls.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (SKX2R)

417 @379 can you fix the format on that and repost? Sounds interesting but jayzus I can't make hide nor hair of it.

"I'm so mmmmmad, I'm buying a guuuun!!1!" If you're all that mad, you might want to consider a private purchase of a used one, because they've got that list, you know, genius. What the hell, were you born last night?

Posted by: comatus at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (qaVK+)

418 @408

Bah. MSNBC needs to come up with its own stuff to increase ratings, not steal from us.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 09, 2012 09:08 AM (a0nis)

419 I fought yesterday to get the comments of certain trolls removed from here; as they were clearly over the line. Five threads worth, and never corrected.

I would be willing to have edit privileges, to remove harmful stuff from the comments, if I had backing and site approval.

I spend a lot of time here, and hate seeing this stuff let go on and on. I'd take on the responsibility, over a defined time frame, to keep the comments free from assassination threats if that task was imposed on me.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (ccXZP)

420 "The more I see, the more I think this was death by 1000 paper-cuts. A little more here would have done it, a little more there would have done it. "

A little more Palin and a little less Romney

Posted by: mrp at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (HjPtV)

421 >>...But, she said she would never vote for a Mormon. She said she didn't know what she would do.
...




Posted by: sunshine the beach
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I said this would happen in January. Then I shut up about it, not wanting to be an Eeyore on the subject.

Posted by: sTevo at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (HDHmz)

422 As to real estate taxes, most people have them paid out by the holder of their mortgage and pay 1/12th of the total every month. Or they rent and never see the bill, yet they are paying.

I have to sit down once a year and pay it off in one lump sum. I have an entirely different attitude then others.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (feFL6)

423 I know the so-cons will complain, but look how Toyota can coast on its previous reputation for quality. This happens in life.

Actually, they won't. Not in any large numbers.

Make legalization of pot a "someday" issue. Change the "Fortress America" stance a little (not even very much), and change the social stances from "It's not Government's business" to "States' Rights," and you can probably placate the SoCons just fine. Oh, and don't be openly hostile to religion. There's that, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (/eBe8)

424 Man, where can I get me like a super high-wattage tanning bed?

Posted by: Andrew Cuomo at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (IoNBC)

425 Well, I have pretty much given up on America but for those of you who who are still trying, here are my suggestions.

Immigration amnesty now. This particular fight was already lost and Tuesday was just further proof. Now let the Blacks and Hispanics fight over the spoils. The end result might be one or the other ethnic group becoming part of the GOP coalition but, of course, that will be a very different GOP than the one Reagan led to victory and will essentially be part of a non ideological fight over scraps. However, the political operatives who thrive whether the GOP wins or loses, the kind of geniuses who rolled out a half assed software project like ORCA without a backup plan will do well in such an environment.

Legalize pot. I personally don't care if pot is legal or if possession of two seeds is punished by the death penalty but obviously enough people in Colorado care enough to show up at the polls and while they were there to put Obama over the top. I would also be in favor of making cocaine (both crack and powder) and heroin legal. My suspicion is that the people most likely to be damaged by these drugs trend Democrat.

Give Obama all the tax increases he wants plus more. Tax municipal bonds. Repeal the Eisenhower tax cuts on movies. Tax the money George Lucas got for selling his studio to Disney. Tax the wealth that George Lucas has as a result of selling. Tax trust fund wealth, not just when it is inherited but every year. Tax beach front property in California. Tax college tuition. Tax art. Tax pledges to NPR. License and tax bicycles. Tax all financial transactions. Tax restaurant meals. Tax tattoos. Tax piercings. Tax gauges. Create a federal regulatory agency that will investigate all claims that food is vegan or vegetarian and impose heavy fines and prison sentences for claims that don't measure up. Tax vegetarian and vegan food in order to pay for this agency.

Give them what they want and more then sit back and watch it burn.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (dGtaD)

426 413 - if they were pulling stuff in the inner cities, who knows what was going on with the machine votes in the Republican areas of PA (see the I voted for Romney but Obama lit up in Nevada, NC and Ohio).

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (2zM0P)

427 A little more Palin and a little less Romney Posted by: mrp at November 09, 2012 09:09 AM (HjPtV)

Oh, here we go.

And with that, I'm outta here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (sbV1u)

428 "You didn't hear about the voting machines in multiple states flipping people's votes?"

I heard about it; did anyone do anything about it? Here's the thing: If this ever happens, do not alert the authorities first. Take out your smartphone or whatever and take a video of it happening. Yeah, you're not supposed to, tough luck. Without video of it happening, I'm at a loss of convincing people not already inclined to agree on vote fraud.

Again: The fraud that happened? Does it make up the millions of voters that sat out? Yes. We should -stop- vote fraud. But, unless it was at a much more massive and ingenious scale, that's not what cost this election. I'm not saying stop combating vote fraud, just that it was not the silver bullet.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (moRRg)

429 Just a note, because I think it's important:

If you turn to drugs or alcohol abuse to "get you through" - you FAIL. You will likely put someone else at risk because you are a drunken, stoned-out-of-your-gourd, out-of-shape wreck.

If you are planning to run to another country because things are going to get tough - you FAIL. Goodbye, leave quickly, and stay out of the way... and you'll likely find things will be no better if the USA falls to communism.

Plan. Prepare. Get squared away.

There's a bad moon on the rise.

Posted by: Major Somebody at November 09, 2012 09:11 AM (TVtzh)

430 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: JDTAY



I admire the way you stay on message. This shows you should be trusted with a Zippo and a can of gas.

Posted by: fluffy at November 09, 2012 09:11 AM (z9HTb)

431 Can someone explain to me what all the "free shit" was that Obama "gave away" in his first term that drove all teh blacks and all teh Mexicans and all teh wimins to the polls to vote for him again? I missed the free Obama giveaway.

All I really remember him "giving away" was extending the Bush tax cuts. But I guess I deal in reality, which has a well-known liberal bias.

Posted by: He's a mooslin!!!1!! at November 09, 2012 09:11 AM (U465A)

432 People who think Obama is a great campaigner need to get a reality check.

In sales, one rule is that its easy to get sales if you sacrifice profit. Selling things for below cost is easy.

That's what Democrats do.

Secondly, with the media support he gets, he could be selling cat urine and people would buy.

Again, use the analogy of sales. If you were selling a consumer product as a Republican vs. a competing product as a Democrat, which do you think would be far easier?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:12 AM (1fvrg)

433 Then I have to send in those checks and it goes "poof"

At the risk of polishing my martyr badge, I have busted my ass for 13 years, 4 of them as the single wage earner with Mrs. Jakeman as a stay at home mom. So, yeah, it really chafes my biscuits to know that we scrimped, saved, and drove shitty old used cars...only to have the end result be paying enough in taxes now to support an entire family of freeloaders.

Posted by: jakeman at November 09, 2012 09:12 AM (96M6e)

434 Posted by: TLGM at November 09, 2012 09:07 AM (appbn)

Isn't it amazing that knowing that there would be military deployed overseas during this election, somehow the state politicians just couldn't find enough planning time or resources to make sure they were able to vote.


Well, they since they are now all volunteers, they know they will be giving up some of their rights in order to fight for the country!

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 09, 2012 09:12 AM (Cnqmv)

435 schordinger's cat

well....they may pay their ins and tax in 1/12 increments but......you should see the fire works when their ins and taxes go up!!! and the mtg co has to pay it shorting their escrow account and then sending the new payment coupon that reflects the increased payment!!!!! lol good times!!!! WHY DID MY PAYMENT GO UP BY $XX.XX ? what ever the amount is they claim they can never afford it....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 09, 2012 09:12 AM (Ho2rs)

436 Please allow me to share this again: I live in Boehner's district. He was on the ballot unopposed.

Unopposed.

The Democrats didn't even bother to put up token opposition.

Hell, at least there was someone running against him in the GOP primary!

The obvious conclusion-at least to me--is that the Democrats are perfectly OK with keeping Boehner as speaker. Why? And what has he done (or what will he do) to keep that favored status?

I voted for the other guy (who lost badly) in the primary. Didn't bother voting for Boehner in the general. My long-time rule: Anyone running unopposed doesn't need my vote.

Posted by: tsj017 at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (4YUWF)

437 As I've said MULTIPLE times, I'm not necessarily saying it was the deciding factor. But it contributes. And it keeps getting ignored, and thus encouraged.

Look at it this way... if there's enough fraud early on to make the race look like its tilting more and more to the opposition when the exit polls start leaking, that alone might be enough to make a lot of people that can't vote until late decide that it's not worth the effort.

Posted by: TLGM at November 09, 2012 09:13 AM (appbn)

438 412 The fact is, while BHO is an incompetant at governing, he is amazing at campaigning (or he picks a team that is, and largely gets out of their way).
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Well, maybe good at GOTV, but I'm not convinced he's great campaigner, what with spread the wealth around and bitter clingers in 2008, and bumps in the road, not optimal, vote for revenge, you didn't build that etc this year. He had probably 10x more real gaffes than Romney, but with the MSM, it wasn't a fair fight, by a long shot. FoxNews, Rush, and the blogosphere do not balance the MSM, or even come close to it.

Posted by: Dante at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (NWLVJ)

439 Why would anyone blame the Tea Party for this loss? The Tea Party represents the actual core of our party. Also, why blame social cons and evangelicals? They actually turned out to vote. Courting Hispanics is fools gold that will pay few dividends.

It appears that we lost because of a simple failure of retail politics at the most basic level. That's the good news. That can be fixed easily. We know this because of Walker's win in Wisconsin. A mechanical problem can be fixed much easier than reshaping a party, that frankly, doesn't need to be reshaped. Turning us into Dem-Lite will only result in greater losses.

Is a country full of grifter morons and idiots that vote for lady parts? Yes. They can be beaten.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (s/PhC)

440 Voter ID laws will help. You have to stop bad votes -before- they are cast. Once it gets through the gatekeepers, the vote is done. I'm not sure what else can be done, except get poll watchers in place and get people vocal when they see things going weird.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (moRRg)

441
Vic @ 17

I agree with you; I said at the time the Republican primaries began that he we are with the worst president ever, economy bad, unemployment high, gas prices up, and the best the RNC could come up with to run against Obama was Bachmann, Perry, Romney, Cain, Santorum, Gingrichand Huntsman? I had an inkling we weredoomed.

Oh well, the GOP is dead. There is no way-no way- that any other party can come up with a victorious strategy to beat Santa Claus. None. And when Boehner caves on Amnesty, that will add 20 million+ more voters to the Dem'srolls.

Posted by: DaveinNC at November 09, 2012 09:14 AM (boNGU)

442 Give Obama all the tax increases he wants plus more.
Tax municipal bonds. Repeal the Eisenhower tax cuts on movies. Tax the
money George Lucas got for selling his studio to Disney. Tax the wealth
that George Lucas has as a result of selling. Tax trust fund wealth, not
just when it is inherited but every year. Tax beach front property in
California. Tax college tuition. Tax art. Tax pledges to NPR. License
and tax bicycles. Tax all financial transactions. Tax restaurant meals.
Tax tattoos. Tax piercings. Tax gauges. Create a federal regulatory
agency that will investigate all claims that food is vegan or vegetarian
and impose heavy fines and prison sentences for claims that don't
measure up. Tax vegetarian and vegan food in order to pay for this
agency.

Give them what they want and more then sit back and watch it burn.


Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (dGtaD)


Yes, yes and yes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (1Jaio)

443 Vic, I'm a little late to the party, and don't live in Utah anymore, but I still have a little info on the Mia love thing: first, Matheson is very well liked, and seen as more moderate than Love. Also, the congressional districting there is crazy, so even if sl county was red (it's usually blue, at least for local things), the county borders are irrelevant. IIRC, the city government that she was (is?) involved in has had problems, and during the primaries she said things (sorry, I don't know exactly what, this is just what I've heard from talking to friends there) that were viewed as...uninformed. Also, I think people there may have been reluctant to elect her when her main qualification seemed to be her skin color- you can see where that's a concern.

Posted by: Mrsp at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (tgRSU)

444 >>> I heard about it; did anyone do anything about it? Here's the thing: If this ever happens, do not alert the authorities first. Take out your smartphone or whatever and take a video of it happening. Yeah, you're not supposed to, tough luck. Without video of it happening, I'm at a loss of convincing people not already inclined to agree on vote fraud.

Good point.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't add that the only video I personally saw of this happening was on a news broadcast during the election (I think it was Brokaw anchoring), and it was Obama votes being switched to Romney on touch screens.

Now it could be media bias and maybe they at that time had reports of it going the other way around and not showing it. I don't know. But that's what I saw.

I think a lot of this comes from having every state run the elections however they want, however incompetently. There's no easy solution for this because of the constitution and it's a state responsibility.

But in other western countries, however socialist they may be, they managed to have standardized national often-paper ballots that everyone can agree on, they're easy to count, and they don't go through this shit every election.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (SKX2R)

445 432 People who think Obama is a great campaigner need to get a reality check. I agree that Obama is not a great campaigner, but he has a great campaign apparatus. The media being on his side is certainly a big part of the equasion, as well as the voter fraud effort. However, you have to admit that they had a plan, they stuck to it and they executed it in a brilliant way. If Romney had done the same, then the media and voter fraud wouldn't have mattered.

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (TYmew)

446 All I really remember him "giving away" was extending the Bush tax cuts.

Of course.

Stimuseless and 4 years of $1.5 trillion deficits?

Never happened.

Because you deal in "reality".

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 09, 2012 09:16 AM (RsSRf)

447 "Can someone explain to me what all the "free shit" was that Obama "gave away" in his first term that drove all teh blacks and all teh Mexicans and all teh wimins to the polls to vote for him again? I missed the free Obama giveaway."

Are you unaware of Obamacare?

Extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks?

Promising that no cuts need to be made to social security or medicare?

The stimulus, including hand outs to state employees?

More student aid?

Green subsidies?

The explosion of SSDI, for "depression" and such?

The auto bail out which saved the UAW?

The weakening of the work requirement for welfare?

Do you think the people on twitter saying "Mitt Romney will take away food stamps" are coming up with that idea by themselves?

Do you know our deficit is 10% of GDP? 10%.



Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (1fvrg)

448 Posted by: He's a mooslin!!!1!! at November 09, 2012 09:11 AM (U465A) ___
OBAMAFO!

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (jm/9g)

449 Sexypig- nobody said foreigners suck, dipshit. I personally recognize that they come with there own culture and require time to marinate in ours in order to take it for their own.

I too am married to an Asian woman. Someone said yesterday that the problem is that no matter how you vote as a white person nobody afterwords yells how could you betray your race at you. I have seen Asian organizations try to recruit my wife. They are set up in a tribalistic Asian first and thus Democrat fashion.


And that is how you get 70 to 30 Obastard.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (+VMZ0)

450
"The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam" has to be the weirdest thing any American president has said and basically gotten away with. That's the straight up establishment of religion and nobody noticed.
So as I see it the big question is the Islamic character of our new environmental legally based socialist global government. Should we pick Shia or Sunni? We're with al Qaeda now in Syria. But we seem to be supporting Shia in Bahrain because we're buying the "democracy movement" stuff for the time being.
Stone the gays but allow them to marry first? Should carbon footprint be part of federal sentencing or just at the ICC? How are we going to reconcile the big issues of the day?

Posted by: Beagle at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (sOtz/)

451 431 Can someone explain to me what all the "free shit" was that Obama "gave away" in his first term that drove all teh blacks and all teh Mexicans and all teh wimins to the polls to vote for him again? I missed the free Obama giveaway.
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Ask Obamaphone lady. She can probably give you a list of giveaways longer than an unemployment line.

Posted by: Dante at November 09, 2012 09:17 AM (NWLVJ)

452 Re: 354 here is one more data point to add to that SC turnout.


There was no gov up for election

There was no Senator up for election

There was only one ballot initiative


So the SC vote was almost totally the Presidential election. And Republican turnout was GOOD.

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:18 AM (YdQQY)

453 Mia Love had great ads. She was not so awesome in interviews. Not bad, just not as awesome as her ads. And we don't know what crazy stuff she said in the local media market.

Reference: Ace's Pawlenty ad which makes him look kick ass when he was milque toast.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (1fvrg)

454 >>> People who think Obama is a great campaigner need to get a reality check.

I don't think he's a great campaigner.

I think the Democrat party attracts both higher and lower IQ demographics than the Republicans.

This means they have better political and behavioral scientists.

Guys like Rove and Lee Atwater are a rarity in the GOP (and everyone shits on them). Not in the Democrat party.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:19 AM (SKX2R)

455 Give Obama all the tax increases he wants plus more.

Tax municipal bonds. Repeal the Eisenhower tax cuts on movies. Tax the

money George Lucas got for selling his studio to Disney. Tax the wealth

that George Lucas has as a result of selling. Tax trust fund wealth, not

just when it is inherited but every year. Tax beach front property in

California. Tax college tuition. Tax art. Tax pledges to NPR. License

and tax bicycles. Tax all financial transactions. Tax restaurant meals.

Tax tattoos. Tax piercings. Tax gauges. Create a federal regulatory

agency that will investigate all claims that food is vegan or vegetarian

and impose heavy fines and prison sentences for claims that don't

measure up. Tax vegetarian and vegan food in order to pay for this

agency.

Give them what they want and more then sit back and watch it burn.




Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at November 09, 2012 09:10 AM (dGtaD)


Yes, yes and yes


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (1Jaio)
And yes!

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 09, 2012 09:20 AM (YLZSZ)

456 He's a great campaigner in the sense that he knew what his campaign's goal was: Microtargeting and depressing the turnout enough that you ensure the election would be a base-turnout election as opposed to a high-turn out one.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 09:20 AM (moRRg)

457 425 Immigration amnesty now. This particular fight was already lost and Tuesday was just further proof. Now let the Blacks and Hispanics fight over the spoils.
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They will, like a brown wolf and a black wolf fighting to get more of a white sheep.

What they want is free stuff, and turf, and they get both these things from Whitey. This is bad for Whitey.

425 The end result might be one or the other ethnic group becoming part of the GOP coalition but, of course, that will be a very different GOP than the one Reagan led to victory and will essentially be part of a non ideological fight over scraps.
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Yes, and Whites will be the scraps. Which is not what the founding fathers had in mind for their posterity.

425 However, the political operatives who thrive whether the GOP wins or loses, the kind of geniuses who rolled out a half assed software project like ORCA without a backup plan will do well in such an environment.
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They'll kid themselves they will.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (23WI9)

458 "431 Can someone explain to me what all the "free shit" was that Obama "gave away" in his first term that drove all teh blacks and all teh Mexicans and all teh wimins to the polls to vote for him again? I missed the free Obama giveaway. "

My guess is you think you deserve the free stuff.


1) There was this thing called the Stimulus. It increased spending by several hundred billion dollars and was baselined into the budget. It was funnelled mostly to public sector union employees in states that voted for Barry.

2) Obamaphones.

3) Food stamp usage has increased by millions. The Department of Agriculture was actually trunning advertising to get more people on them.

4) Obamacare. Yay, my healthcare is free if I'm a lowlife! Fuck the taxpayers!

5) Yay, free birth control!

And the Bush tax cuts aren't 'free stuff' you idiot - the government taking less money does not equal goving thongs away.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (QMRMM)

459
Can someone explain to me what all the "free shit" was that Obama "gave away"

It's a joke, right? You're actually asking for this?
_______________________
I have to agree on the real-estate tax thing. Twenty years ago, "we" had a major property tax increase, and I went in to the office breathing fire. On the top floor of a federal agency, where salaries verged on upper middle class, there was a sudden scramble of engineers and executives phoning home to find out what their escrow payout was. They had never noticed.

Posted by: comatus at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (qaVK+)

460 On another note: He won by employing Rove's "turn out the base, damn the middle" strategy that secured Bush's victory in 2000 and 2004.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (moRRg)

461 RE my @235- Yep time to go. Sean Bannion, you'd be one who could also help with my request to 98ZJUSMC. You too Nevergiveup as you had to learn some "doctorin' stuff" to become a dentist.
Chemjeff, Alextc, all the mammas and mommas and way too many others to mention, especially from my early days here like monty and Nam Grunt, thanks again.

Love each other fellow babies!

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (M7Cfv)

462 "Great article today from Kraut on granting amnesty (click link). GOP: appeal to your natural Hispanic constituency or die. These are, for the most part, hard-working, conservative people. Embrace them.
Another tough pill that should be swallowed: Stop making ourselves look like idiots every time a class warfare Dem mentions raising taxes on the rich. This is their #1 issue, it's the one that won the election for Obama. As long as we keep going down the WSJ-Sean Hannity road on this one, we are setting ourselves up for failure.

Posted by: Cricket at November 09, 2012 07:20 AM (DrC22)"


About 6 things completely wrong in this comment by my count.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 09:22 AM (uD2fR)

463 ""The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam"
has to be the weirdest thing any American president has said and
basically gotten away with."

According to an article linked by Drudge, the YouTube guy was sentenced to a year in prison for parole violation.

Posted by: mrp at November 09, 2012 09:23 AM (HjPtV)

464 And the Bush tax cuts aren't 'free stuff' you idiot - the government taking less money does not equal goving thongs away.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (QMRMM)



I'd give thongs away but only to hot chicks

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:25 AM (1Jaio)

465 If I were to run a new. permanent organization to aid conservatives in elections, the first thing I would want to do is get 2 volunteers in each precinct in the country.

How many volunteers would that take? Apparently, no one knows.

Try to find out how many precincts there are in the U.S.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 09:25 AM (ZDsRL)

466 Not that I think voter fraud was what ultimately decided this thing, but it did play a factor. I said it in 2010 I'll say it again - with so much more Republican control at the state level now, there's no excuse for not addressing the problem now. It should be the number one priority.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (uD2fR)

467 The rebuilding of the GOP should be priority #1. We need to get with the 21st century.

Posted by: Hector of Troy aka The Truthteller at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (p+4lN)

468 Can someone explain to me what all the "free shit" was that Obama "gave away" in his first term that drove all teh blacks and all teh Mexicans and all teh wimins to the polls to vote for him again?

I had more than one person Wed morning tell me that Romney was just gonna take away too much stuff.

Posted by: Bildo at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (eToum)

469 Posted by: Mrsp at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (tgRSU)


But every county in the State was red. It just doesn't make since. It means they had to purposely split their vote to vote for a Democrat for the House and a Republican for President..

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (YdQQY)

470 Hey BCochran1981. Did you see that Ebay link to the 15 armored trucks for $150k last night?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:27 AM (evdj2)

471 >>> I'd give thongs away but only to hot chicks

I once handed a hot blonde chick her thong back as her fiance pulled up to pick her up in his pickup.

That was kind of embarrassing.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:27 AM (SKX2R)

472 Synthesis of several good comments.


If the House R's had a spine, they'd make Pelosi write a D budget with no R sponsors and vote present when it came up for a vote. Even the MSM would find it hard to blame the R's for the contents of that budget (although they would try their damnedst).


Since Boner is going to roll over anyhow, the end result would be the much same, but the R's would be somewhat immune to criticism.

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 09, 2012 09:28 AM (Cnqmv)

473 "Sexypig- nobody said foreigners suck, dipshit. I personally recognize that they come with there own culture and require time to marinate in ours in order to take it for their own."

Few people on this website are like that, but they do exist and its the Republican stereotype. Too many people here don't say "Yeah, we need to try to get the Asian/Hispanic/Black vote" and instead revert to a "they are impossible to deal with" attitude. My wording may have been too blunt. Blame the beer.

"I too am married to an Asian woman. Someone said yesterday that the problem is that no matter how you vote as a white person nobody afterwords yells how could you betray your race at you. I have seen Asian organizations try to recruit my wife. They are set up in a tribalistic Asian first and thus Democrat fashion."

Totally. But this is what we have to overcome. And my point is some of the problem is just outdated perceptions rather than something real like "Hispanics want free stuff." Many Asians don't want free stuff...and they won't get it anyways. Ha Ha! So you have to figure out a way to change the perception. Democrats were the party of slavery - now blacks vote for them en masse.

Also, I find it extremely annoying that liberals on facebook keep saying stuff like the GOP's head is exploding because a Hindu was elected somewhere...South Carolina and Louisiana both have Indian ancestry governors. Romney in fact is a religious minority, which the left loves to persecute, I might add.

We need to fight this stuff. I keep bringing up Asians because there is less of an excuse for GOP failure there. Its more of a pure example of where the Dems give them NOTHING but still get their votes.


Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:28 AM (1fvrg)

474 not that I am for amnesty, but what I have read is that amnesty does not equal citizenship, thus does not equal the right to vote.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (2zM0P)

475 According to an article linked by Drudge, the YouTube guy was sentenced to a year in prison for parole violation.


Posted by: mrp at November 09, 2012 09:23 AM (HjPtV)



"I say what I mean and I mean what I say!"

Posted by: Barky O'Choom at November 09, 2012 09:29 AM (Cnqmv)

476 "But every county in the State was red. It just doesn't make since. It means they had to purposely split their vote to vote for a Democrat for the House and a Republican for President.. "

Posted by: Vic at November 09, 2012 09:26 AM (YdQQY)

Vic, I know the feeling. In my solidly red county, the results from Tuesday show Romney won by 8 points, our bible-thumping, rape is God's will congressional representative won by 7 points and Debbie Stabanow, the cow democrat, won over Pete Hokstra by 6 points.

There is just no explaining the ticket splitting.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (ZDsRL)

477 "If the House R's had a spine, they'd make Pelosi write a D budget with no R sponsors and vote present when it came up for a vote. Even the MSM would find it hard to blame the R's for the contents of that budget (although they would try their damnedst)."

My argument was that the GOP House should come out with a set of requirements for them moving on anything:

1) President signs off publicly..."this is my plan"
2) Senate votes for said plan "we agree with Obama"

Only then should the House consider the legislation. All negotiations after this go through the same iteration, and are fully open.

"Put it on C-Span" as Obama said.

This plan would be described as "Bowing to Obama's leadership"

Let the MSM spin that.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (1fvrg)

478 You know, Romney probably doesn't even deserve that email from Governor Krispy Kreme.

That's more than Romney gave the 37,000 volunteers for ORCA. We haven't heard squat from them since the morning of the election.

Must be all that Bain philosophy in play.

FIDO.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 09, 2012 09:31 AM (JJ+PT)

479 "I'd give thongs away but only to hot chicks"

I'm damn opposed to thong giveaways. Damn opposed!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2012 09:32 AM (sRsX7)

480 Did I miss ergastularius? Pity that.

I'm reasonably sure he still has nothing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:32 AM (evdj2)

481 Conservatives who didn't support Romney have only themselves to blame. He was as qualified a candidate as we will ever see. The GOP will now move to the left in order to survive. You can't build a party pandering to people too stupid to not vote Obama out of office.
Posted by: Terry Gain at November 09, 2012 08:11 AM (+BlWU)


How exactly, was he qualified ?

A one term governor from the northeast.

He created Romneycare, the inspiration for Obamacare.

An anti-gunner who made Bill Clinton's assault weapon ban permanent in his state when itwas repealed nationally.

If the Stupid Party moves to the left of that they deserve to go the way of the Whigs.

I can tell you some of the voters that sat out this time were Second Amendment voters. Every time I mentioned Romney to these people the reaction I got was, "He's anti-gun, no different than that other asshole, fuck him."

If the Stupid Party can't find a candidate that isn't a progressive big government asshole then they'll lose in 2016 too.

Bush and the 2000-2006 Republicans did major damage to the brand with their wild spending and corruption. McCain and Romney haven't done a damn thing to reverse the perception among voters that the Republican Party is the Democrat-lite Party.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 09:32 AM (6BgmB)

482 If I were to run a new. permanent organization to
aid conservatives in elections, the first thing I would want to do is
get 2 volunteers in each precinct in the country.



How many volunteers would that take? Apparently, no one knows.



Try to find out how many precincts there are in the U.S.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 09:25 AM (ZDsRL)


In the 90s when I was working with the Illinois Republican party, I suggested something like that and got blank stares. I tried to explain the Dems have a huge ground army to fund and help candidates and Republicans need the same. The Illinois Republican party has gone the way of the dinosaur

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:33 AM (1Jaio)

483 How exactly, was he qualified ?

He was not a marxist shitbag of a miserable failure bent on exacting revenge against our country.

I didn't much look past that.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (evdj2)

484 "There is just no explaining the ticket splitting."

THIS.

The logic is not very logical.

Dem Congress, GOP President = I want my goodies, but I want a brake on wild promises.

The reverse is....weird.

I wonder if it wasn't foreign policy. I love Israel, but we really cannot invade Iran. I'd love to do a punitive expedition and shit, but we are fucking everywhere, and that would be a hard sell.

I have to wonder if just enough people have grown jaded about intervening in Muslim countries.

(Don't get me wrong - those fuckers deserve it and some portion of the population wants freedom. But look at Afghanistan and despair.)

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (1fvrg)

485 "Meanwhile, the democrats are using top-flight
behaviorial scientists to not only micro-target voters and sway them to
Obama, but then to push their individual hot buttons to get them to turn
out.


Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 08:46 AM (SKX2R)"
Any idea if they were also micro-targeting independent voters in order to sway them to stay home?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at November 09, 2012 09:35 AM (dGtaD)

486 "Bush and the 2000-2006 Republicans did major damage to the brand with their wild spending and corruption. McCain and Romney haven't done a damn thing to reverse the perception among voters that the Republican Party is the Democrat-lite Party. "

I don't like to admit this, but this is true.

Also, voters really, really, really want to blame the economic crisis on de-regulation.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (1fvrg)

487 In the 90s when I was working with the Illinois Republican party, I suggested something like that and got blank stares.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2012 09:33 AM (1Jaio)

The republican party mechanism has deteriorated to a point where it can't be salvaged. It would be so much easier if a few billionaires funded a new organization that could also have a profit-based arm providing demographic and polling services.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (ZDsRL)

488 "Stuff" should blow up. There should be boobies. Bad guys should die in spectacular fashion.

And those bad guys should be actual bad guys. Islamic jihadists; corrupt Russian politicos; Chinese commies. No more of this bullshit touchy-feely "the Muzzies are the good guys, Russian reset, Chinese superpower" crap.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (4df7R)

489 >>> Any idea if they were also micro-targeting independent voters in order to sway them to stay home?

No (I don't know), but in a general sense, the plan was for the campaign to be divisive and off-putting and suppress turnout.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:38 AM (SKX2R)

490 Who wrote the ORCA software?

I'm just imaging being a secret Republican in a software firm hired by Obama to create software for them.

Hell yes I would put a time delay sabotage into it.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:41 AM (1fvrg)

491 I have some bad news for you. I worked the poll (!) as a precinct judge, from 5:30 AM until 9:30 PM, and there was no voter fraud. I saw the tapes come out of the machines. Ohio has relatively strict ID, and it was not violated. That precinct went about 3 -1 Obama, and those voters were whiter than I am (except for a few of my fifth-cousints who I seed come in -- collectively we are exactly twice as Indian as Betsey Warren). Maybe 5% Hispanic, and one black man who I suspect was a Republican.

An awful lot of those voters were not union, either. The big deal is our local tradition of hoping against all hope that one day you will be admitted to the union ranks and get revenge for all the hard work you had to do in the real world.

First-time teenage females, too. Is it rude venery to refer to a group of young women as a "score"? Well, there were a couple score of them. The ads worked.
They were stupid, determined, and, to a twitch, Roman Catholic. We have been beaten by the spirit of Vatican II: a rebellion against the bishops. America held hostage to a civil war within the Church.

Posted by: comatus at November 09, 2012 09:42 AM (qaVK+)

492 F Chuck Todd is getting ready to discuss ORCA failure on MSNBC. He featured the AoSHQ article earlier in a teaser.

Posted by: jwest at November 09, 2012 09:44 AM (ZDsRL)

493 The GOP won't win another national election until a drug is developed that changes an 80 IQ into a 100 IQ.

Posted by: Scobface at November 09, 2012 09:47 AM (IoNBC)

494 >>> The GOP won't win another national election until a drug is developed that changes an 80 IQ into a 100 IQ.

Ouch.

I won't say that's literally true, but there's an undercurrent of truth to that most people are neither intellectually nor emotionally equipped to address.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:48 AM (SKX2R)

495 For you doomish pleasure: http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/


The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn
Burn motherfucker burn

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:49 AM (evdj2)

496 Did you see that Ebay link to the 15 armored trucks for $150k last night?

I own an armored truck. A Pleiku gun-truck. How did you plan to use it to win an election? FWIW, on a good day its gets 5 MPG.

Posted by: comatus at November 09, 2012 09:50 AM (qaVK+)

497 Which is to say they're not willing to face the flaws of a particular ideology, mostly of leftist origin, but embraced out of fear and social conformity by the right.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:50 AM (SKX2R)

498 I own an armored truck. A Pleiku gun-truck.

Is that a Deuce-and-a-half with steel plate sides?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:51 AM (evdj2)

499 @498 Yes, an M47. Sandbags under the seat IYKWIM. Reo Gold Comet engine. An Eager Beaver.

Posted by: comatus at November 09, 2012 09:53 AM (qaVK+)

500 Also, voters really, really, really want to blame the economic crisis on de-regulation.
Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 09:37 AM (1fvrg)


The repeal of Glass-Steagall was a huge mistake.


He was not a marxist shitbag of a miserable failure bent on exacting revenge against our country. I didn't much look past that.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:34 AM (evdj2)



Yeah, but you're not going to sell that description of the SCoaMF to the voters over the MSM's shrill screams of racism. You have to give them a stark choice, we couldn't do that this time.
Milk-toast moderates aren't going to motivate the base.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 09, 2012 09:54 AM (6BgmB)

501 Quad 50's? Please.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:55 AM (evdj2)

502 >>> Who wrote the ORCA software?

lol

ORCA software.

It's a good question, but you know what?

They couldn't be bothered to email relevant info to people until the last moment.

They couldn't be bothered to do what any competent 15 year old running a blog on his own domain would do and direct www://http to http, or https to http.

Neither of those two things.

They made the decision to be cheap, and build a crappy HTML5 app instead of more functional iPhone, Android, and Blackberry apps with proper (not really limited and slow) offline capability.

They forgot that smart phones are often low-powered and slow, and wireless connections sketchy, and just went, "Wow, isn't it cool that we're high tech?"

They didn't stress-test the backend servers adequately.

I mean, which software are we talking about? And it was hardly the worst problem anyway.

It was bad leadership and overlooking the basics.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 09, 2012 09:55 AM (SKX2R)

503 Milk-toast moderates aren't going to motivate the base.

I'd say that anyone that couldn't vote against the SCoaMF can not rightly be considered part of the base.

And yes, I'm bitter.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 09:56 AM (evdj2)

504 "Milk-toast moderates aren't going to motivate the base."

-- They're not the base if they don't vote for the party. Now, if you want that as a reason to create a third-party, I'm open to that idea. But, to refer to folks who sat out this election as the base, I think, is a problem. Republicans have fractured their normal ability to remain unified in opposition to political philosophies we disliked and have let the perfect become the enemy of the good.

I think the question moving forward is "Who are the base?" Democrats know their base, that's why they generally ignore them. They know they can count on people to come out and vote no matter what. Since they know this, they don't have to make pitches that turn out to be toxic to other parts of their coalition that are weaker/persuadable/likely to sit out. Let's find out who those are in the Republican base and stop squandering time, money and political good will appealing to them.

That's if winning is important.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 09, 2012 09:58 AM (moRRg)

505 "Palin is inspiring and energizing and Ryan as nice as he is is a dud."


Yeah, it seems she inspired 10 million more votes for Obama.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 09, 2012 10:00 AM (qiXMt)

506 457 Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 09:21 AM (23WI9)


It is nice to see that you still have the will to fight on but I think that at this point you are kind of like that Japanese soldier who was still at it in the Philippines in the 1970s.

I am personally giving up and adopting an every man for himself strategy but if you still think you can win this particular battle, I wish you luck.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at November 09, 2012 10:05 AM (dGtaD)

507 reverse the perception among voters that the Republican Party is the Democrat-lite Party.
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Hmmm. I will give you stuff but not quite as much. I wouldn't want to enslave you. Oh, and here is a voucher for xxx. I also promise not to raise your taxes.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 09, 2012 10:05 AM (eEfYn)

508 Palin/Tea Party people knew what was at stake in this election and every one of them that I knew voted for Romney. None of us enjoyed enjoyed the experience, but we did our duty for our country's sake. The people that didn't vote for Romney were looking for any excuse in order to stay home. They didn't see anything in either nominee worth their time and trouble and opted out.

Posted by: mrp at November 09, 2012 10:17 AM (HjPtV)

509 Stop blaming Mitt. He worked his ass off.He beat Obama in the debates. He was told to appeal to independents - and he won them. He got close in the swing states and brought in more low propensity voters helping to minimize the early vote. Mitt and Paul Ryan trusted that their high propensity voters would show - AND THEY DIDN'T.Shame on those 3million who stayed home.They letthe country down and I will never ever get over it. We lost the opportunity to have amost decent, honest, smart, hard-working, SUCCESSFUL man as our president andwe blew it.

Posted by: MT at November 09, 2012 10:19 AM (v+XsT)

510 I believe we may have just witnessed the cyber warfare Pearl Harbor in the convenient failure of Project ORCA. While it is possible that this was simply the result of a massive IT failure, the errors seem to be of a sort that would tend not to arouse suspicion while still destroying the GOTV effort.

Whether or not this is a cyber warfare attack, Republicans should be wary of having their entire GOTV effort depend on one IT project in the future. Back up offline systems must be in place. The incentives to hack such a system are incredibly high, both because many Democrats have proven themselves to be willing to break the law to win and, worse, because overseas dictators almost always prefer them to the Republican. How much do you think that the ability to suppress 2-4 percent of the Republican vote by pressing a button on election day would be worth to Russia or Iran? Do you think that less than their entire cyber warfare potential would be directed at such a thing? And, assuming that the Romney campaign had an otherwise solid system, do you think it would have been capable of resisting a government level cyber warfare attack?

Whatever systems we use must be decentralized and have some form of offline backup available. The stakes are too high and our enemies too ruthless for anything else.

Posted by: DigitalRevere at November 09, 2012 10:20 AM (65P3N)

511
Day 3 of starving the beast.

Had our first meeting since the electionof our local Business association last night.
Must have been close to 100% turnout of the 600 businesses.
Our leader is a very proactive and fights tirelessly for our interests.
He is however a negotiator and his recommendations sounded alot like Crying Boner.

After the meeting, about half of the members stayed to finalize a plan we had been discussing for months if Obummer won a second term.
Here is our plan:
We are not going to present this as revenge(although revenge is now hot right?)
Nope! We are now Obamabots!
100% behind his agenda. Obama is my daddy!

We agree that only Gubmint can truly administer charity.
We agree. All requests for donations will be returned with a message that all future donations requests be fowarded to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

We also agree that only Gubmint can run healthcare. We agree.
As of 1/1/13, we will not be offering Health insurance.
We currently pay half($4,000 single $9,500 family per year)
Even if we are fined $2,500 per employee, we will save over $60,000/yr.

Reducing our sales tax liabilities.
In my county, the current ST rate is .08375%.
Materials are always taxed unless it qualifies for a capital improvement.
Labor that involves new material is also subject to sales tax.
However, labor by itself is not subject to sales tax.
Members will now incorperate a second businessthat will act as the meterial end. End users will have 2 seperate invoices.
ei: I sell a $5,000 job that includes material and labor.
The sales tax on that is $418.75
Now the end user gets 2 invoices.
Say, $2,000 for material with a $167.50 sales tax.
And a $3,000 labor invoice with no sales tax.
A savings of $251.25 to the consumer and that much less to the Beast.
This should reduce my sales tax collection from $150,000 to $60,000/yr.

Fire as many salaried employees as possible offering them to work as sub contractors.
This will eliminate all the tax liablities that come with salaried employees.
My 7 installers will be given their options on Monday.
(This one really sucks but a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do)

As Obama said.
Everyone needs to pay their fair share. We agree.
On any given day, we will have over 500 work vehicles on the road.
All will have cameras and if they come accross work being done without the proper Home improvement license affixed to their trucks?
Pictures of license plates and the work being done will be taken.
And then the appropriate agency will be notified of this for enforcement.
(And for those who hire illegal contractors. You will now be liable for the sales tax and possible fraud charges)
The illegal contractors will face multiple fines, possible jail time and most likely an IRS audit.
We are in a Sandy recovery here so the illegals are ripe for the picking.
A personal story regarding this.
An oldtime aquaintence has been doing carpentry work off the books for decades. I was shocked to find out he was a big Obot. Claims hes getting old and didn't want Romney to take his SS/medicare away.
This from a guy who skirted paying in for decades!
He also used me as a reference for a NY State pistol permit.
I received the form the day after the election.
We made a $100 bet which I lost.
I stopped by last night to payoff.
Mutha spent 2 minutes gloating and laughing.
Stopped laughing when I pulled out the pistol reference sheet and set it on fire.
He started ranting about friends don't do this etc.
I simply explained that Obama is now my daddy and I was 100% behind implementing his agenda.
I then told him that his God signed on to the UN gun restriction agenda the day after the election.
And if my daddy Barack doesn't want him to have a gun, I'd have to agree.
I then informed him how we agree with daddy Obama that all should pay their fair share and we would be actively going after illegal contractors suggesting he might want to get legal.
I got in my truck, informed him I wanted no further contact with him and drove away.
He has since texted me 6 times.
Deleted unread. Have a good weekend Donny!

We are going to actively avoid giving $$ to libtard businesses.
One of the members has a sign store.
She has enjoyed the benefits of other members using her for all their advert visuals(Truck lettering, signage and advertising banners)
She put a big 6 x 8 Obama sign on her front lawn.
Hope she enjoys her 50% businees reduction.

So those are the basics of "The Plan"
Am I bitter? Probably.
But the sweet taste of Shadenfraud(sp) has peaked my spirits.

Posted by: BearMtnBob at November 09, 2012 10:46 AM (fl8vK)

512 @429: There's a bathroom on the right!

Posted by: CCR at November 09, 2012 11:05 AM (izA2D)

513 He has absolutely nailed it. Having been in the Romney command center I can tell you that those are the panicked phone calls we got all day long. I have never seen a cluster F... like I saw that day. I kept on thinking this guy was in the private sector how in the hell is this going so wrong. So basically the system did meltdown multiple times. First in the morning and the evening the two busiest times. We did not have real time data, we could not identify our voters and thus they stayed home. Complete shame. We had this. We should have duplicated Scott Walkers model but we did not. Romney should be shell shocked his advisors screwed up and as a result we are stuck with this disaster for four more years.

Posted by: Ray at November 09, 2012 11:16 AM (AVRpD)

514
"510 I believe we may have just witnessed the cyber warfare Pearl Harbor in the convenient failure of Project ORCA. While it is possible that this was simply the result of a massive IT failure, the errors seem to be of a sort that would tend not to arouse suspicion while still destroying the GOTV effort. ..."


After AoS broke the Orca story, I was finally able to take my tinfoil hat off. There were things being said that didn't make sense. Vote were missing. ORCA explained that.

But some things in what I read about it made me wonder as well. The systems that went down seemed to include networks that were owned by certain companies, and I wondered if it wasa real glitchthat heavy traffic brought it down, or whether something untoward was going on.

That may be paranoid, but we are dealing with the Chicago Machine here.

OTOH, it also sounded like Romney's camp had ignorantly taken some foolish risks with new systems and software. This is the more plausible theory, but I hope they're keeping their eyes open.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 09, 2012 11:28 AM (Mxt9o)

515 511

Day 3 of starving the beast.

Dude.
<3

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 11:53 AM (dZ756)

516 If ORCA did cost R the election I am going to be sick. Changing electorate, O's popularity, Sandy impact, Akin/mnourdock you can understand. Losing becasue your campaign screwed up its most basic requirement is like watching your team fumble away the game on the 2 yard line

Posted by: NoBama12 at November 09, 2012 11:53 AM (ykY2u)

517
115Six times yesterday, I said here that I intend to look into what it would take to steal elections for republicans.

Nobody said a word.

Why?

Because we can't out Democrat the Democrats. That means we can't offer people more free shit than they do, and we can't cheat better than they can. Their entire party, from it's Jacksonian foundations, through Tammany Hall and Jim Crow to the Chicago Way of the Daley machine, is built on a corrupt client relationship with its constituents. As well as on a do anything to win ethos. We can't match that.

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 09, 2012 12:01 PM (S4N/h)

518
@514
Remeber that bit about cyber warfare stuff that we were running against Iran? It popped up back during the summer as a leak from the Obama administration to make them look like they were doing something about the Iranian nuclear program. It died out pretty quick though. Wonder what else that little program can do?

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 09, 2012 12:05 PM (S4N/h)

519 So those are the basics of "The Plan"

I am in awe, Mr. Galt.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 09, 2012 12:05 PM (evdj2)

520 "He has since texted me 6 times.
Deleted unread. Have a good weekend Donny!"

You, Sir, are the best.

Run for president and I will cast as many votes for you as possible.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 09, 2012 12:26 PM (vd7A8)

521 Stop blaming Mitt. He worked his ass off.He beat Obama in the debates. He was told to appeal to independents - and he won them. He got close in the swing states and brought in more low propensity voters helping to minimize the early vote. Mitt and Paul Ryan trusted that their high propensity voters would show - AND THEY DIDN'T.Shame on those 3million who stayed home.They letthe country down and I will never ever get over it. We lost the opportunity to have amost decent, honest, smart, hard-working, SUCCESSFUL man as our president andwe blew it.Posted by: MT at November 09, 2012 10:19 AM (v+XsT)Agree 100% We lost a man for the times.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 09, 2012 12:32 PM (l3vZN)

522 Regarding the newest headline - and if businesses do replace full time employees with (more) part time employees to avoid having to pay for health insurance, the unemployment rate will actually drop. Chew on that.

Posted by: longerthoughts at November 09, 2012 02:03 PM (CVVLU)

523 Keep in mind that the Bull Stream Media bears a lot of the blame for the state the nation is in.

Posted by: Oeue at November 09, 2012 06:11 PM (EU/eY)






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