Overnight Open Thread (11-8-2012)

 

Fatigue and a bad internet connection conspire to make this ONT paltry artistically minimalist.

21 Ways That Rich People Think Differently From the Poor

Average people think MONEY is the root of all evil. Rich people believe POVERTY is the root of all evil.

"The average person has been brainwashed to believe rich people are lucky or dishonest," Siebold writes.

That's why there's a certain shame that comes along with "getting rich" in lower-income communities.

"The world class knows that while having money doesn't guarantee happiness, it does make your life easier and more enjoyable."

From Steve Siebold, author of "How Rich People Think."

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And the 2012 Election Popular Vote by County

Pretty much what we've gotten used to seeing  - a sea of red and then the blue cities. Thanks to the genghis.

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The Bath Salts Banker

The protestation is a familiar one to police officers: "My son (or, brother, husband, friend, neighbor, or what have you) would never do that!" And "that" refers to whatever affront to the commonweal the son (or brother, etc.) had committed to bring himself to the attention of the police. The cop's response most often goes something like this: "He apparently would, and he apparently did, which is why he's on his way to jail right now." To the cop, there are few human foibles that come as a great surprise.

But once in a great while there comes along a man whose downfall is so radically divergent from his ostensible station in life that even the most jaded police officer cannot help but look on and ask, "Who would have thought it?"

Who is the Most Invadiest Country in the World?

Short Answer: Britain.

A new study has found that at various times the British have invaded almost 90 per cent of the countries around the globe.

The analysis of the histories of the almost 200 countries in the world found only 22 which have never experienced an invasion by the British.

The 22 are Andorra, Belarus, Bolivia, Burundi, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Guatemala, Ivory Coast, Kyrgyzstan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Mali, Marshall Islands, Monaco, Mongolia, Paraguay, Sao Tome and Principe, Sweden, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Vatican City.

Okay many of these are countries that no one really wants - but still why not grab a piece of Sweden, Guatemala, and maybe the Ivory Coast when you get the chance? 

When The Mississippi River Ran Backward and The Trail Of Tears

Random natural occurrences can trigger a chain of history-altering events (usually bad ones).

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Fun Facts About Star Trek

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How Old is the Story of Cinderella?

Answer: Far older than you think.

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More Men vs. Women in Pics

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Yahoo group. That is all.

And my Twitter spew.

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Comments

1 November 1948, no wonder there was a babyboom....


thank you for the ONT

Posted by: Moron #3 at November 08, 2012 10:45 PM (2CiZb)

2 Makes me warm and fuzzy to know the russians have the "cities" targeted.

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 10:45 PM (FMbng)

3 The bolsheviks stomed the winter palce on november 6.

Posted by: otho at November 08, 2012 10:47 PM (yBF/9)

4
I wish I was in November 1948

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 10:47 PM (8cOY0)

5 Look at that Cheesecake from '48! Hey Bub, I would hit that and then 23 Skidoo!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 08, 2012 10:48 PM (jucos)

6 hi all
I kinda like November

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 10:48 PM (d/5qf)

7 If SMOD doesn't save us, perhaps the New Madrid Fault will.

/and yes, Palandine lives in St. Louis, which will cease to exist when the Big One hits.

Posted by: Palandine at November 08, 2012 10:48 PM (g7D8V)

8 Is there anyway we can nuke the Northeast from orbit?

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 10:48 PM (qEd5z)

9 Is there anyway we can nuke the Northeast from orbit?
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 10:48 PM (qEd5z)
-------------------------------------------------------
It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 08, 2012 10:49 PM (jucos)

10 I like november, parent's anniversary is today on the 8th, my birthday tomorrow on the 9th, mom's birthday on the 12th. She used to tell me she couldn't squeeze me out in time for her anniversary, and couldn't hold me in till her birthday.

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 10:51 PM (FMbng)

11 I am honestly surprised to see any red counties at all in the NE. ME and MA both had red counties? WTF?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 10:51 PM (d/5qf)

12 So should I go with the 'Gas-Mask and Body Armor' look or 'Dual-Wield Machete and Trenchcoat' look for the coming Barackalypse?

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 10:52 PM (YSkOI)

13 New Blog Post:

Sun-Tzu & The Conservative Fight For America

I previously spoke on the Aftermath of the 2012 election. In order for the Republican party to forge ahead towards really and truly defeating the Leviathan of the left, we need to keep in mind the words of Sun-Tzu:

“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.”
—Sun-Tzu

What is “conservatism”?

Perhaps we should start with Edmund Burke. He was a member of British Parliament in the late 18th century, and , sided with the “colonies” during the American Revolution. He argued that it was the British Parliament that wanted to impose change on the colonies by interfering with internal matters that they generally had never interfered with before.

Burke believed that there was much good in society, and we ought to eliminate what evil there is, but only press those changes necessary to eliminate that evil itself, without wrecking the rest of society. Burke noted that even during English revolutions that “the nation had lost the bond of union in their edifice; they did not, however, dissolve the whole fabric. On he contrary, in both cases they regenerated the deficient part of the old constitution through the part which were not impaired.” Upheaval was not meant to tear down society and impose some leftist fantasy, but “to preserve our antient indisputable laws and liberties.”

In contrast to the modern Progressive left, Burke did not believe in the strict “contract theory” of society/government, and that a temporary majority (or even a plurality) did not have a fundamental right to reorder society upon a whim. More accurately:

“It is a partnership in all science; a partnership in all art; a partnership in every virtue, and in all perfection. As the end of such a partnership cannot be obtained in many generations it becomes a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are dead, and those who are to be born.”

Ultimately, the wisdom of conservatives is based on the collective wisdom of the ages. As Burke put it: “In old establishments various correctives have been found for their aberrations from theory. Indeed they are the results of various necessities and expenditures. They are not often constructed after theory; theories are rather drawn from them.”

This is part of what makes America (and the Anglosphere in general) exceptional. Our society has organically evolved such that we have the rule of law and use it to protect our true liberty. To put it another way, we have the liberty to do wrong, but the virtue to choose right. This is not something that cam be constructed ex nihilo, from ideas divorced from reality that were developed in vacuo, and used to treat people like they were but simple geometric proofs.

An excellent summary was written by one Christopher Taylor over at the Ace of Spades HQ:

“Maybe, just maybe social traditions aren’t just arbitrary rules set down by the elite – but are solutions to common human problems that have been worked out over millennia.

“No no tradition and wisdom teach us nothing, we must all throw it out and never look back. We’ve evolved past those white European male phallocratic rules, anyway. History will teach us nothing, didn’t you listen to Sting? You aren’t the boss of me, fascist!!!!

“The truth is, the biggest problem we ran into as a people is when we stopped passing down WHY we believed in and did certain things and just started living them by pattern and tradition. Then when young people asked why, parents had no answers.

“When you combine that with a generation (cough*BOOMERS*cough) that refused to trust wisdom and tradition because they weren’t given an answer they liked, well disaster results.

“The truth is, some things you just have to trust people who’ve gone before you on. Some things can’t really be explained rationally but have been experienced and the knowledge painfully gained. Kids hate that, and they’re all taught every day to ignore authority and doubt parents to begin with.”

Once lost, it can not be rebuilt. That is why our liberty, our mores, and our society are so precious to us, and must be conserved and protected from those who would destroy it.

Others have tried to define “conservatism.” Russell Kirk, for example, had six “canons” of conservatism:

A belief in a transcendent order, which Kirk described variously as based in tradition, divine revelation, or natural law;
An affection for the “variety and mystery” of human existence;
A conviction that society requires orders and classes that emphasize “natural” distinctions;
A belief that property and freedom are closely linked;
A faith in custom, convention, and prescription, and
A recognition that innovation must be tied to existing traditions and customs, which entails a respect for the political value of prudence.

Frank Meyer believed American conservatism was based upon seven principles:

The existence of an objective moral order based on ontological foundations;
The primary reference for political thought and action is the individual, not the collective;
Anti-utopianism;
The limitation of government power;
Opposition to state control of the economy;
Firm support for the Constitution of the United States as originally conceived;
Anti-communism.

Probably one of the most eloquent declarations of liberty was the Sharon Statement, the founding document of Young Americans for Freedom, signed on the Sharon, Connecticut estate of William F. Buckley, Jr.

Ultimately it is about the unique and exceptional combination of Virtue and Liberty, which, once lost, would doom us to dark tyrannies.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=517

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2012 10:52 PM (sZTYJ)

14 Been away. You all know why. Going to stick to the ONT for a while.

Posted by: B5D, call me Gordon Freeman at November 08, 2012 10:52 PM (qqlqB)

15 Sorry that was NH not MA. My bad

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 10:52 PM (d/5qf)

16 I am honestly surprised to see any red counties at all in the NE. ME and MA both had red counties? WTF?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 10:51

The racists have to live somewhere.

Posted by: otho at November 08, 2012 10:52 PM (yBF/9)

17 Those Vargas girls were really something, weren't they? Man knew what he was doing.

Posted by: Peaches is all crankypants at November 08, 2012 10:53 PM (kpCLl)

18 FOLKS, VOTER FRAUD NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT FIRST AND FOREMOST.
Constant swells of registration 90% turnout in Philly precincts. Are you fucking kidding me?
Look hard at the Allen West recount. First he's a patriot and he deserves our support.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT KEEPING THE PARTY DIVERSE.
Then help Col. West!!! He is now up on raw vote totals, by about 300, when they SIMPLY DID A FUCKING HAND RECOUNT OF THE BALLOTS.
In other words, he could win and not simply concede the night like some pasty bitch RINO saying, we'll get them next time.
FUCK. Stop the fraud.
Sorry for all the f bombs Marybeth, but we need to check these numbers hard.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:53 PM (TZzO/)

19 Alot of blue counties in odd places in the western USA are Indian Reservations or resort towns like Sun Valey or Jackson Hole


not a single 'blue' area of Alaska either

Posted by: Moron #3 at November 08, 2012 10:54 PM (2CiZb)

20 What was the name of that movie the famous Republican made?

"Get Rich Or Die Tryin'" by 50 Cent

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2012 10:54 PM (ccXZP)

21 Reposting from last thread:

I have a lot more to look at here, getting all the information in and sifted will take days.

But
Florida did turnout for Romney. The lowest significant drop is 97% of
McCain's numbers and those are about 2,000 votes in that county. He
increased on McCain's numbers in every county. I'm seeing lots of 2, 3,
and 4 thousand vote increases.

It all falls apart with
Miami-Dade. Romney drops 30,000 from 2008 and Obama jumps 40,000 from
2008. 70,000 vote swing and wipes out all of the gains in the rest of
the state. Obama's increase there was also his highest in the state.

The "GOP didn't turn out" meme is valid for Miami-Dade only, not for Florida.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 10:55 PM (dX4hn)

22 Britain would never invade our mighty principality!

Posted by: Lichtenstein (hiding behind the bed) at November 08, 2012 10:56 PM (sZTYJ)

23 John E. making hella waves with his ORCA post which has been tweeted by Jake Tapper and Kerry Picket and has been posted at the Washington-Times and Business Insider.

Congrats, John.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 10:57 PM (piMMO)

24 PPP-IOWA GOP

Mike Huckabee 15%

Marco Rubio 12%

Paul Ryan 12%

Chris Christie 12%

Jeb Bush 11%

Rick Santorum 10%

Condoleezza Rice 9%

Rand Paul 5%

Sarah Palin 4%

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 10:57 PM (iEujK)

25 I know what you mean, B5D, unfortunately some of the shit leaks into the ONT too. Let's hope things return to normal tonight.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 08, 2012 10:58 PM (nkiQM)

26 I've read a lot of election post mortem analysis, some insightful and some typical pundit groupdrink.

But folks, it's very simple, we met the enemy and it ain't us.

It's the MFM.

It begins and ends there.

The need defrocking and terminal flogging.

Looking for a few good arms.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 08, 2012 10:58 PM (aZ6ew)

27 PPP-IOWA GOP

Mike Huckabee 15%

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 10:57 PM (iEujK)


This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2012 10:58 PM (sZTYJ)

28 24
PPP-IOWA GOP

Mike Huckabee 15%


Marco Rubio 12%


Paul Ryan 12%


Chris Christie 12%


Jeb Bush 11%


Rick Santorum 10%


Condoleezza Rice 9%


Rand Paul 5%


Sarah Palin 4%


Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 10:57 PM (iEujK)

I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD IF JEB BUSH RUNS IN 2016 I WILL LEAVE THE COUNTRY.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 10:58 PM (M1gmo)

29 >>>21

Dave, are you getting on the 'massive voter fraud cost Romney big and maybe the election' train?

I'm not trying to be a dick either. I know nothing about polls and data and math in general. But you seem to think there's an actual case here? Or at least massive suspicion?

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 10:59 PM (YSkOI)

30 Well 309 words away from reaching the Day 8 goal for NaNoWriMo.

Yay me. Back to writing. So far written 3,308 words today.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 10:59 PM (SE9Fr)

31
Yes, DAve in FL, and OSU made an interesting point. Romney only got 50% of the vote in St. Lucia, where the head of elections is some kind of crazy and rabid obama supporter, as allen west has alleged.
HOW IN THE FUCK COULD THAT BE POSSIBLE???
Dave in FL, you did excellent work by the way. What if Romney got a crap ton more votes in that county as well?
We need a very hard look by our Florida people on this. Allen west is now ahead on a hand recount of paper ballots in palm beach county. PALM BEACH. Wonder how much he'll be ahead when they recount the repub parts???
How much more would Romney have been up??
Romney should ask for a recount of the whole fucking state. EXPOSE THE FRAUD or screw ups or whatever. How can these votes not get counted???

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:59 PM (TZzO/)

32 >>What was the name of that movie the famous Republican made?

Nailin' Palin

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2012 10:59 PM (xnK7Q)

33 Any bets that Cory Booker will run against Cristi, defet him, then use that as a spring board for the presidency in 2016?

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2012 11:00 PM (sZTYJ)

34 "And the 2012 Election Popular Vote by County"

There's a shitload of Obama blue creeping up from South Texas.

It's almost as though there was a slow demographic invasion going on. That started down around the border.

So much for TX as a refuge in the long term. Just as doomed as the rest of America.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 11:00 PM (ymG7s)

35 Howdy, all.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:01 PM (kaalw)

36 And then an elder god emerged from the Atlantic Ocean to consume everything from Washington DC to New York City. It was madness and chaos. And Cthulhu thought it was spiffy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:02 PM (SE9Fr)

37 I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD IF JEB BUSH RUNS IN 2016 I WILL LEAVE THE COUNTRY.


Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 10:58 PM (M1gmo)

Listen, you conservatives don't seem to understand that a dynasty is what the American people long for, and besides, per Republican Party Rule #1, it is Jeb's turn in 2016!

Posted by: Karl Rover at November 08, 2012 11:02 PM (Cnqmv)

38 "Romney only got 50% of the vote in St. Lucia, where the head of
elections is some kind of crazy and rabid obama supporter, as allen west
has alleged.
HOW IN THE FUCK COULD THAT BE POSSIBLE???"

That was my mistake in copying numbers. Romney exceeded McCain's numbers in St. Lucie.

Miami-Dade is the epicenter of any fraud that occurred in Florida.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 11:03 PM (dX4hn)

39 I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD IF JEB BUSH RUNS IN 2016 I WILL LEAVE THE COUNTRY.


Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 10:58 PM (M1gmo)
I think Rubio will beat him to the punch. Looking at how fucking sad the establishment was after the loss, I'd doubt they want to image the party with Bush.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 11:03 PM (iEujK)

40 36 And then an elder god emerged from the Atlantic Ocean to consume everything from Washington DC to New York City. It was madness and chaos. And Cthulhu thought it was spiffy.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:02 PM (SE9Fr)



MEGALOSHARK?!?!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 11:04 PM (GEICT)

41 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson is not in a compromising mood at November 08, 2012 11:04 PM (JMmQ9)

42 Listen, you conservatives don't seem to understand that a dynasty is
what the American people long for, and besides, per Republican Party
Rule #1, it is Jeb's turn in 2016!


****

I'd keep my eye on Jeb's son.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 11:04 PM (piMMO)

43 >>>Dave, are you getting on the 'massive voter fraud cost Romney big and maybe the election' train?

Screw that noise. It should have never have been close enough to steal. The results tell me all I need to know about the American people. Let it burn

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Trying to have Faith and not worry, no matter the outcome. at November 08, 2012 11:04 PM (GE1+K)

44 Good *ow* evening.

Hey, Jefe, last night you asked me how many push-ups I can do but I didn't see the question cause I had to bail. I caught it later, though.

Anywho, it...depends.

Up to now I've been doing them on my knees in which case it has been three sets of 15-15-20. BUT last night...and this is a fucking first, dude...I managed to do three sets of ten real honest to goodness proper push-ups. Before then I could do, like...seven? Eight? And I don't mean three sets of eight, I mean just eight. After that that was it from me. Last night was a fucking milestone for me.

Okay, I might have taken five minute breaks between sets but still I think it's an accomplishment.

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:05 PM (LUnTP)

45 I like november, parent's anniversary is today on the 8th, my birthday tomorrow on the 9th, mom's birthday on the 12th.
Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 10:51 PM (FMbng)


And let is not forget me me me! Mine is the 17th.


I was thinking about your today...Thor's is tomorrow as well, so I'll always remember yours!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:05 PM (2rMmy)

46 That electoral map, I see it in my sleep. Time to go buy more ammo.

Posted by: B5D, call me Gordon Freeman at November 08, 2012 11:05 PM (qqlqB)

47 Given the oddities involved in this election, between exit polls wanting smaller government and no Obamacare, and 99% of the votes in the precinct in PA where the poll watchers were removed going for Obama as well as 44 precincts in OH. And on top of the fact that Romney got less votes than McCain despite being far more popular and Obamas early voting down and election day republican voting up, is anyone going to actually argue the results of this election? Over the last few days all I've seen online is people from states that went for Obama utterly surprised by the results.
Who the fuck would stay home because Obama didn't look like he had it completely in the bag and yet we are expected to believe that the positive, likeable Romney couldn't turn out the voters who were chomping at the bit to get Obama out.

I think we'll be finding trunk fulls of ballot boxes in the near future.

Posted by: Ring at November 08, 2012 11:05 PM (iWnmm)

48 You bitches can't blame me fro Romney's loss! I did all I could!

Posted by: Krispy Kreme Chris Christie at November 08, 2012 11:05 PM (ypzqs)

49 >>>24 PPP-IOWA GOP
Mike Huckabee 15%
Marco Rubio 12%
Paul Ryan 12%
Chris Christie 12%
Jeb Bush 11%
Rick Santorum 10%
Condoleezza Rice 9%
Rand Paul 5%
Sarah Palin 4%

With the exception of Ryan, meh.

I like Rubio, I really do, but he hasn't DONE anything to distinguish himself in the Senate other than giving a few good speeches and being hispanic.

I'd prefer Jinal given that he'd have the best record, the most experience and the most accomplishments...but he lacks charisma and physical presence. Small, trivial bullshit. But we now know how important that bullshit is.

I'd also throw Pence in there, just because I like the guy. He's got the record, the look and gives a damn fine speech.

And Susana Martinez, if we're going full tilt pander.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:06 PM (YSkOI)

50 BUT last night...and this is a fucking first, dude...I managed to do three sets of ten real honest to goodness proper push-ups.


Fans herself. Where's L Rob, he can do 'em, too.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:06 PM (2rMmy)

51
So should I go with the 'Gas-Mask and Body Armor' look or 'Dual-Wield Machete and Trenchcoat' look for the coming Barackalypse?
Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 10:52 PM (YSkOI)






Stainless steel salad colander facemask, green Mohawk hairdo and assless chaps, of course.

'sup jackwagons.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 08, 2012 11:06 PM (Rhie+)

52 I think Rubio will beat him to the punch.
Looking at how fucking sad the establishment was after the loss, I'd
doubt they want to image the party with Bush.


Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 11:03 PM (iEujK)

You never freaking know with these people. You realize how much people didn't want Romney, yet he STILL won the primary. Ugh. The only good thing about this whole shithole of an election is that Obama won't be running in 2016.
I really think we need to run Rubio in 2016, regardless of governor/executive experience. CLEARLY THAT DID NOT MATTER THIS TIME.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 11:07 PM (M1gmo)

53 Well 309 words away from reaching the Day 8 goal for NaNoWriMo.

Yay me. Back to writing. So far written 3,308 words today.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 10:59 PM (SE9Fr)

Good for you Anna! My numbers are sad. But I consider writing at all a triumph. So I plug away.

Hi All. Someone say something nice. (sad me).

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:07 PM (ou/rY)

54 I swear to God I will not vote for another Bush.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (GE1+K)

55 Roberto, that is awesome, congratulations
yeah I can't do the regular pushups either, I can only do the knee pushups
I will try tomorrow to see how many I can do

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (d/5qf)

56 First rule of Prepping - Never let on to your neighbors you are prepping.
Corollary is - How not to be seen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (SE9Fr)

57
Hi All. Someone say something nice. (sad me).



{{{{{{{hug}}}}}}}}}

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (GEICT)

58 Oh, and fuck Huckabee. He needs to be shown the door after the Akin bullshit.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (YSkOI)

59 And Susana Martinez, if we're going full tilt pander.
Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:06 PM (YSkOI)



Would it really be pandering? I thought she had a great record? And she's a fantastic speaker.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (2rMmy)

60
OMG!!!!! I hate progressives with the heat of 4 million nuclear suns.

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (iRgZG)

61 "Dave, are you getting on the 'massive voter fraud cost Romney big and maybe the election' train?



I'm not trying to be a dick either. I know nothing about polls and
data and math in general. But you seem to think there's an actual case
here? Or at least massive suspicion?"

No, not finding massive widespread fraud. Only in Miami.

Every other county looks like we would expect. Good turnout, numbers higher than McCain, numbers for Obama much lower than in 2008. On track for a close election, with a win of around 100K for Romney.

Miami-Dade probably cost Romney over 100K votes. By the registration numbers it should have been up a minimum of 10K for Romney. Instead, it went down 30K and Obama went up 40K.

It is the one county that went in a completely opposite direction as the rest. The base turned out and voted in Florida. Except in Miami.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (dX4hn)

62 Jesus/Christ 2016

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:09 PM (BVkEs)

63 National Ammo Day is right around the corner

http://www.ammoday.com/

Posted by: AltonJackson is not in a compromising mood at November 08, 2012 11:09 PM (JMmQ9)

64 elizabethe, I have been watching DVDs and writing past day. So there you go. I know you are doing all you can. Kompai!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:09 PM (SE9Fr)

65 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (SE9Fr)



I thought you left to do something?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 11:09 PM (GEICT)

66 Hi All. Someone say something nice. (sad me).
Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:07 PM (ou/rY)



Don't be sad, child. Don't let them steal your joy.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:09 PM (2rMmy)

67 Huckabee/Satan 2016

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (BVkEs)

68 I guarantee those red areas of NH are conservative MA refugees. The rest of the state, though, can suck a big ol' bag of dicks.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (IDypm)

69
AGAIN, by forcing a hand recount of ballots in palm beach, colonel west is now up instead of losing.
He was originally losing by 2600 votes. If that is the case, imagine what happened in other districts.
COME ON, if Col. West shows that his votes were underrepresented by 5000 and that is from one district, imagine what was going on everywhere.
How is that even possible?

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (TZzO/)

70 elizabethe, what's wrong?

Here is something nice: kitteh
http://tinyurl.com/aklqfe3

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (d/5qf)

71 Anyone else find it peculiar it is taking so long to move fuel into NY and NJ - NY is starting fuel rationing tomorrow.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (Z9EHQ)

72 Okay, I might have taken five minute breaks between sets but still I think it's an accomplishment.

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:05 PM (LUnTP)


Don't stop working at it. Probably 14 months ago I thought I was about to ship to Basic for the army, I could do 45-50 pushups in 60 seconds. I could probably do about 20 today. Don't even take a week off, I've just started trying to work out again and I'm sore as hell.

Posted by: Adam at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (/YJYi)

73 >>>Someone say something nice

You supported your country and freedom and held out the highest hope, opinion, and optimism of your fellow countrymen.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (GE1+K)

74 MISS TAMMY!

*Bear hugs*

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:11 PM (LUnTP)

75 AGAIN, by forcing a hand recount of ballots in palm beach, colonel west is now up instead of losing.
He was originally losing by 2600 votes. If that is the case, imagine what happened in other districts.
COME
ON, if Col. West shows that his votes were underrepresented by 5000 and
that is from one district, imagine what was going on everywhere.
How is that even possible?

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (TZzO/)

Massive electoral fraud. There needs to be a hand recount of this ENTIRE GODDAMN ELECTION.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 11:11 PM (M1gmo)

76 36
And then an elder god emerged from the Atlantic Ocean to consume
everything from Washington DC to New York City. It was madness and
chaos. And Cthulhu thought it was spiffy.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:02 PM (SE9Fr)


Sounds like a great idea -- but, personally, I'm too tired. Maybe Yog-Sothoth?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:11 PM (kaalw)

77 Snickers/Skittles 2016

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:11 PM (BVkEs)

78
Jesus/Christ 2016
Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:09 PM (BVkEs)







Of course, he's not a Natural Born Citizen of the US.

Not that this is a disqualifying factor anymore.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (Rhie+)

79 34 So much for Texas as a refuge for the long term.

I suggest all of you thinking of moving to Texas, move to those areas as a counterweight.

Posted by: no good deed at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (mjR67)

80 CLEARLY THAT DID NOT MATTER THIS TIME.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 11:07 PM (M1gmo)
We need to bring our flashiest toy to the campaign trail and it's Rubio. Thats what gets elections these days. After what Dems did to Palin, no way do I want a woman near the ticket. Catty bitch voters if you know what I mean

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (iEujK)

81 I will try tomorrow to see how many I can do
Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (d/5qf)

That's the ticket! Just keep practicing. It's what I've been doing and holy shit I think it's paying off.

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (LUnTP)

82 I think you guys should run Christie in 2016. He's a good dude.

Posted by: Hussein at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (/YJYi)

83 *Bear hugs*
Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:11 PM (LUnTP)


~Fans herself and quivers~


How be ye??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (2rMmy)

84 Wow, Nevada is solid fucking except for that tiny little county in the lower right. Hmmmmm...I wonder what that could be?

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (doBIb)

85 Oatmeal/Grits 2016

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (BVkEs)

86 >>>Massive electoral fraud. There needs to be a hand recount of this ENTIRE GODDAMN ELECTION.

Should never have been close enough.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (GE1+K)

87 >>>Someone say something nice




You. FOUGHT.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (GEICT)

88 Would it really be pandering? I thought she had a great record? And she's a fantastic speaker.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:08 PM (2rMmy)

I don't think it's pandering to "feature" hispanics or blacks who speak the conservative message. I think we have to face it that the liberals have won the whole identity politics fight. They've simply won that. We have to accept it and reach out. That doesn't mean pandering. It means explaining in great specificity and detail how conservative principles work for the individual group we are reaching to. (not offering amnesty -- that would be pandering).

/off politics

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (ou/rY)

89 Vodka / Pudding 2016

Posted by: AltonJackson is not in a compromising mood at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (JMmQ9)

90 CLEARLY THAT DID NOT MATTER THIS TIME.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 11:07 PM (M1gmo)
We need to bring our flashiest toy to the campaign trail and it's Rubio. Thats what gets elections these days. After what Dems did to Palin, no way do I want a woman near the ticket. Catty bitch voters if you know what I mean
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (iEujK)

nope, it is pamela lee or whatever her name is. every ethnic group in America loves blondes; me not so much.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (Z9EHQ)

91 Kabong-- body armor with trench coat over top, gas mask, and Kukris instead of machetes.

Posted by: Secundus at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (6f1k1)

92 "82 I think you guys should run Christie in 2016. He's a good dude.

Posted by: Hussein at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (/YJYi) "

Oh, give it a rest.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (uvzjj)

93 I sit here longing for the days of Clinton.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (Td9D+)

94 Posted by: Adam at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (/YJYi)

I do my routines every day and it's really paid off. I will carry on!

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (LUnTP)

95 >>>59 And Susana Martinez, if we're going full tilt pander.
Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:06 PM (YSkOI)
Would it really be pandering? I thought she had a great record? And she's a fantastic speaker.

My knowledge is limited, I'll admit.

I have a natural aversion to the GOP's instant 'we gotta run a non-white guy!' reaction to Obama victories. See also, Michael Steele.

Didn't say it was a bad idea to run Martinez, but Jindal and Ryan are clearly the smartest guys in the room.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (YSkOI)

96 BCochran, have been doing something. Writing. Plus watching the Spirit of Wonder DVD. Cool set of anime OVAs though the basic premise behind the Scientific Boys Club is H.G. Wells' 'First Men in the Moon' story.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (SE9Fr)

97
Dave in Fla,
But in liberalPalm Beach Allen West has already reversed a few thousand vote hole.
AFter looking at the numbers do you really think that the base turned out in other counties, as expected? Just because he hits 100% of mccain's numbers, that is not what I would expect.
And he was winning indies by a good margin.
In other words, it still does not add up...

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 11:14 PM (TZzO/)

98 Anna, any tentacles in that DVD?

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (doBIb)

99 Listen, you conservatives don't seem to understand that a dynasty is what the American people long for, and besides, per Republican Party Rule #1, it is Jeb's turn in 2016!
Posted by: Karl Rover at November 08, 2012 11:02 PM (Cnqmv)Ahem

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (8cOY0)

100 Sounds like a great idea -- but, personally, I'm too tired. Maybe Yog-Sothoth?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:11 PM (kaalw)

I thought is whom Obama married...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (SE9Fr)

101 Crap, Jefferson County Alabama is blue. I guess we can thank the city of Birmingham. No wonder Hoover and points southward are so popular.

Posted by: Lone Marauder, pre-denounced for your convenience at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (eHBHk)

102 How be ye??
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (2rMmy)

A little sore but filled with appley goodness.

How life on the farm goin'? Stomp any snakes lately?

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (LUnTP)

103 71 Anyone else find it peculiar it is taking so long to move fuel into NY and NJ

They are using Big Gulp cups to do it. Can't let those things go to waste. It would be bad for the environment.

Posted by: no good deed at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (mjR67)

104 every ethnic group in America loves blondes; me not so much.
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (Z9EHQ)



I wish I could say "You like redheads, dontcha yankee" but I know you like brunettes.

Traitor that you are.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (2rMmy)

105 >>Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 10:55 PM (dX4hn)

Keep working that angle.

I commented under anonymous at your blog cuz you have to be a member in good standing of some high falutin' social network to use your own nic.

Fla is a good place to start. Always thought the commies faux indignation in '00 was due to the fact that they thought they had the system gamed even then.

Just remember how many things done by the Frankfurt School leftys are false, fake, and relying on infiltration and subterfuge.

Other than those types of organizational skillz they have zero real world credentials or accomplishments.




Posted by: ontherocks at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (aZ6ew)

106 Bacon/Eggs 2016

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:16 PM (BVkEs)

107 Why run Ryan? He never ran state-wide in Wisconsin and he was absolutely invisible on the trail

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 11:16 PM (iEujK)

108 "99 Listen, you conservatives don't seem to understand that a dynasty is what the American people long for, and besides, per Republican Party Rule #1, it is Jeb's turn in 2016!
Posted by: Karl Rover at November 08, 2012 11:02 PM (Cnqmv)Ahem

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (8cOY0) "

No. What the American people long for is bread and circuses. And circular firing squads.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:16 PM (uvzjj)

109 If you are doing pushups aim for a one per second ratio. if you need help go to metronome on line and set the appropriate tempo

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:16 PM (Z9EHQ)

110 I never knew the barrel of a .357 was so minty tasting.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 08, 2012 11:16 PM (V4mSR)

111
How life on the farm goin'? Stomp any snakes lately?
Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (LUnTP)


I believe teh coyotes have run the snakes clear off. They howl all damn night, and disrupt my beauty sleep, which I sorely need.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (2rMmy)

112 I'm trying to remember the last time the GOP nominated someone whose turn it wasn't.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (8cOY0)

113 "82 I think you guys should run Christie in 2016. He's a good dude.

Posted by: Hussein at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (/YJYi) "

Oh, give it a rest.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (uvzjj)

run? that tub of goo should be dragged

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (Z9EHQ)

114 How can these votes not get counted???

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:59 PM (TZzO/)


One of the problems that might be solvable is a nationwide effort to have a voting system with integrity (although they will be resisted by Dems).
If optical scanners with a paper trail physical ballot were used as the national standard, it should be possible to do a real recount (something that appears to be unverifiable with any computer based system).If voter ID and the purple ink verification were used, then it would be much simpler to limit the ability of the dead to rise and vote again. Note that this is important enough that states should offer to drive a rolling photo ID van to the home of any indigent that pleads lack of transportation, and the photo ID should be free for the asking to avoid the suppression argument. Unfortunately some areas may require police protection while issuing IDs, but that's the way our society has evolved.There should be no early voting except for true absentee voting (subject to ID requirement).Any state that does not have a process that ensures deployed military are allowed to vote in a timely manner loses all military related federal funding until the next presidential election.
And then I woke up...

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (Cnqmv)

115 Sounds like a great idea -- but, personally, I'm too tired. Maybe Yog-Sothoth?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:11 PM (kaalw)

I thought is whom Obama married...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (SE9Fr)


I do have standard you know!

Posted by: Yog-Sothoth at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (sZTYJ)

116 EC, well the first episode is The Shrinking Miss China. And the writer/artist of the manga goes for writing about the mostly harmless dirty old men sneaking peaks at Miss China's panties or copping feels as she tries to run her restaurant. And the anime carries on that tradition.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (SE9Fr)

117 " Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard- the men who live by force, yet count on those those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money-the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statues are written to protect you against them . But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law - men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims- then money becomes its creator's avenger. Such looters believe it is safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes , not to the able stat production , but to those most rutess at brutality . When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket . And them that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter" .......Framcisco d'Anconia from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (LZIdD)

118 MiketheMoose;It should have never have been close enough to steal. The results tell me all I need to know about the American people. Let it burn<br>
<br>
<br/>
This election reminds me, for some reason, of one chapter in the Chronicles of Narnia books(the voyage of dawn treader). The ship sails into a void where all your dreams come true. They find someone who was stuck there trying to escape. The crew of the ship can't figure out why as all your dreams come truethere.He tells them that they don't understand. ALL YOUR DREAMS come true. They understand and high tail it out of there. I'm going from memory but thats the gist of the story. Well, the country has voted. May "all there dreams come true". Not sure why that crossed my mind but it did.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (cRcVM)

119 Be of good cheer morons, Obama will never get a chance to start his second term.

Posted by: The Mayans at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (ev+11)

120 First rule of Prepping - Never let on to your neighbors you are prepping.
---------------------------
The one upside to Sandy has been that my family is now actually listening to goofy Aunt Tired Wench about disaster preparedness.

The downside was having 12 of them camped in my house for the past 10 days while they waited for their power to come back on. Yeesh.

Posted by: Tired Wench at November 08, 2012 11:18 PM (Uq+DN)

121 110
I never knew the barrel of a .357 was so minty tasting.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 08, 2012 11:16 PM (V4mSR)
---
Dat's teh funneh....

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:18 PM (BVkEs)

122 96 BCochran, have been doing something. Writing. Plus watching the Spirit of Wonder DVD. Cool set of anime OVAs though the basic premise behind the Scientific Boys Club is H.G. Wells' 'First Men in the Moon' story.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (SE9Fr)



Huh. Ok.


Spirit of Wonder?
Anime OVAs?
Scientific Boys Club?
First Men in the Moon?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 11:18 PM (GEICT)

123 Thanks BC, thanks Mike, thanks Tammy.

elizabethe, what's wrong?

It's not even the win I'm sad about.

So, too much explanation -- I feel very isolated in my life right now -- with the exception of one good friend, the people I associate with in a bunch of different areas don't share my sense of humor or wacky outlook on life.

And then the HQ daywalkers have reverted back to the circular firing squad and it is just not pleasant anymore in the daytime. That's all. It's not really a big deal.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:18 PM (ou/rY)

124 Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (Z9EHQ)

We need to calm down and think about things clearly.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:19 PM (uvzjj)

125 Anna, that sure sounds like the moron lifestyle!

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 11:19 PM (doBIb)

126 Ok, it's late, I have a half marathon on Saturday, need to get my race packet tomorrow.

Hopefully this weekend I will finish going through the Florida numbers, but here is my concern for us...

We are moving too fast in laying blame. I have seen many different theories and nastiness to people on our side. We don't yet know what went wrong.

Clearly the GOTV was a huge clusterfuck, and cost us some votes. But our base was still turning out in sufficient numbers to win, and doing it across the entire state. We probably didn't need ORCA because our voters were motivated.

Blaming SoCons, or White Voters is just plain wrong. The turnout was there, and we were winning Florida. The CNN exits show Inds were slightly against us in Florida, so we were winning it with our base.

Except in Miami-Dade.

If we fracture the coalition, or start ceding ground because we need to appeal to Hispanics, we will be making a mistake and helping the Democrats.

We need to understand what happened first. And none of the theories presented so far account for an entire state acting exactly as we expected, except for one county.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 11:19 PM (dX4hn)

127 I don't think it's pandering to "feature" hispanics
or blacks who speak the conservative message. I think we have to face it
that the liberals have won the whole identity politics fight. They've
simply won that. We have to accept it and reach out. That doesn't mean
pandering. It means explaining in great specificity and detail how
conservative principles work for the individual group we are reaching
to. (not offering amnesty -- that would be pandering).



/off politics

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (ou/rY)

It is good to run candidates on our side with people like West and Rubio/Martinez because people are RACISTS in general and especially constituencies like blacks and hispanics will understand a conservative message better coming from one of their own.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 11:19 PM (M1gmo)

128
I wish I could say "You like redheads, dontcha yankee" but I know you like brunettes.

Traitor that you are.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon

brunette is only my starting point. ceteris paribus I give preference to naked.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (Z9EHQ)

129 I sit here longing for the days of Clinton.

*****

That is so sad.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (piMMO)

130
I was being nice, I said goodnight and then the putrid little puke starts patronizing me and talking to me like I am a child when he is the idiot who thinks austerity is what is destroying the Euro zone. I lost my temper. I shouldn't have. But WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (iRgZG)

131 Oh, also, I think Boehner and the house should go the 'heck do what you want' route.

Lets put up taxes, lets put forward the entertainment tax reform, they want to pay their fair share right? They are driving round in limos and planes while 16% have no jobs. Lets put forward some IP reform, limiting copyright duration and start pitting Hollywood and the RIAA against the youth who want free movies and music. We need to get some fucking young blood in here, not some geriatric thats going to slip and make some ridiculous statements thats going to be misrepresented and smear everyone.

Lets start initiatives to bring in immigrants that would compete with union jobs and see how long the Dems are big on in___ration. Even start working on getting marriage out of the tax code and putting it in as civil unions so we can retain the idea of marriage as heterosexual. Make them expose themselves that this wasn't about actually rights, but about putting gay marriage in the same space as non-gay marriage and forcing the acceptance on a public that has culturally defined marriage a specific way for centuries.

Lets start calling out the media, lets ask for a czar of media neutrality and flood the fucker with complaints. After all the country deserves an impartial media doesn't it.

Make them say no, make them look like dicks, show the electorate what
they are really like. They spend plenty of time doing it to anyone who
dares not vote for them.

Meanwhile taxes will go up on everyone. I think I read that half the 47% that don't pay taxes are only exempted due to the Bush tax cuts (thought they were for the wealthy?). Looks like they are in for an awakening. Obamacare penality/tax kicks in in in 2014, can't wait for their faces when they get that. All though lower income folks or people with part time jobs (mostly O voters probably).


aaah, I think I'm done now....


Posted by: Ring at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (iWnmm)

132 The downside was having 12 of them camped in my house for the past 10 days while they waited for their power to come back on. Yeesh.
Posted by: Tired Wench at November 08, 2012 11:18 PM (Uq+DN)



You're a better wench than I. I might have sprung for cash to get them a hotel, but 12 people for 10 days is Too Much.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (2rMmy)

133 I never usually come on the over night threads but can someone tell me why the fuck John fucking boner has not been fired as speaker yet?

Sequestration, losing the House in 2006, failed budget standoffs, and now butt fucking everyone 2 days after an election including laughing how he slept like a baby after Tuesday. Fuck this guy he is literally going to make everyone go third party

Posted by: Mr pink at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (9j2e+)

134
I'm not trying to be a dick either. I know nothing about polls and data and math in general. But you seem to think there's an actual case here? Or at least massive suspicion?
A 90% turnout should be a red flag.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (+9AX9)

135 #85 In Canada the nickname for the federal Liberal party is the Grits. A 19th Century party leader and eventually P.M. had his party loyalty questioned and he replied (paraphrasing) that he was "clear grit all the way through" and it stuck as a party nickname.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (nkiQM)

136 I believe teh coyotes have run the snakes clear off. They howl all damn night, and disrupt my beauty sleep, which I sorely need.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:17 PM (2rMmy)

Wanna buy some pills?How about some light music?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MC99Try0qI

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (LUnTP)

137 I'm from New York but currently in Tennessee on vacation. Timing couldn't be better, no better place to commiserate over the disaster of the election than here. I can feel the redness of the state.

I'm done with New York though. I seriously cannot take it any more but need to examine what red state I feel comfortable moving to. Tennessee tops the list though.

Funny, before that Colorado and New Hampshire were my top choices but they can both get fucked to hell now.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (ev+11)

138 And then an elder god emerged from the Atlantic Ocean to consume

everything from Washington DC to New York City. It was madness and

chaos. And Cthulhu thought it was spiffy.


The problem I can see with it is that I'm pretty sure Obama is Nyarlathotep.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (IDypm)

139 Jeb will make a run at it. NWC might as well start picking out a new country.

I'm not sayin' he will do well in the primaries or go far, but I think he will put his name up.

But that's just thinking out loud. Lots can happen in 3 years.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (ccXZP)

140 Average people earn money doing things they don't love. Rich people follow their passion
***
I have to call BS on this one.

Most people who "follow their passion" end up asking if you'd like fries with that.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (AUeaU)

141 Snickers/Skittles 2016



******

Skittles/Arizona Ice Tea!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (piMMO)

142 We need to calm down and think about things clearly.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:19 PM (uvzjj)

I have been the very model of rational since tuesday and continue to be so, however, christie made an unforgivable mistake.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:22 PM (Z9EHQ)

143 >>>107 Why run Ryan? He never ran state-wide in Wisconsin and he was absolutely invisible on the trail

He's the GOP's foremost expert on budgetary and fiscal matters, which is the shitstorm we're heading into. Even Democrats have to grudgingly admit that he knows what he's talking about right before they accuse him of trying to kill and rape your grandmother (which they do to every Republican threat).

He's also good looking, a great speaker, and has charisma. Not sure why he wasn't given a bigger role on the trail in the final month or so. More of a campaign call than a Ryan issue I think.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:22 PM (YSkOI)

144 Posted by: Ring at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (iWnmm)


Cut, jib, newsletter

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:22 PM (2rMmy)

145
AGAIN, by forcing a hand recount of ballots in palm beach, colonel west is now up instead of losing.
He was originally losing by 2600 votes. If that is the case, imagine what happened in other districts.
COME
ON, if Col. West shows that his votes were underrepresented by 5000 and
that is from one district, imagine what was going on everywhere.
How is that even possible?

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (TZzO/)

Are they in a formal recount already or is that the official canvass of votes that's going on.
This sounds like a Kloppenberg/Prosser thing where they forgot to count an entire city.

Posted by: madj at November 08, 2012 11:23 PM (Unkf2)

146
I am honestly surprised to see any red counties at all in the NE. ME and MA both had red counties? WTF?


Posted by: chemjeff



Suburban MA is reddish. My town voted for both Romney and Brown. Here is a town by town map: http://preview.tinyurl.com/cftdqc2

We are just swamped by the Dem machine in the bigger cities, just like the US map.

Posted by: Mr. EBT at November 08, 2012 11:23 PM (A+/8k)

147 I feel like
I am living inside the book Atlas Shrugged but I don't see any John Galt out there !!!!!! Someone in the Horde tell me there is hope for this country !!!!!!

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (LZIdD)

148 Most people who "follow their passion" end up asking if you'd like fries with that.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (AUeaU)


sorta, but the Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Rush Limbaughs and professional atheletes are the noncorelating data points

Posted by: Moron #3 at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (2CiZb)

149 Skittles/Arizona Ice Tea!


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (piMMO)


So, many, codewords!,!,!,!,!

Posted by: Toure Neblett at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (/YJYi)

150 No woman has feet that small unless they were wrapped like the Chinese did.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (DoZD+)

151 That's why there's a certain shame that comes along with "getting rich" in lower-income communities.

--One of the most striking examples of it is the way many black professional athletes are socialized: Yes, raw talent is part of it, but most of them also had to dedicate themselves to a lot of practice and conditioning. But they often (perhaps partially out of guilt) are hounded by their "posse" of moochers and hangers on, being constantly pestered to "keep it real" when they ought to hire a financial planner to make sure the cash isn't burned up.

Posted by: logprof at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (jKE+Z)

152 Poeple that say "Money can't buy everything", just don't know where to shop.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (d0Dmj)

153 Robert, that'd go rather well with the howling, but it's too jumpy to make me sleep. (The drums, maybe?)


Do Hammerfall have any ballads??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (2rMmy)

154 "142 We need to calm down and think about things clearly.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:19 PM (uvzjj)

I have been the very model of rational since tuesday and continue to be so, however, christie made an unforgivable mistake.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:22 PM (Z9EHQ) "

And yet you never ask yourself why. Or what the best way to proceed is.


(Or what impact that "mistake" might have actually had on anything.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (uvzjj)

155 prescient11 - Yes, I saw your post, and I am thinking about it.

I want to do more data analysis before I form an opinion. I can see one very clear anomaly that doesn't require broad based fraud.

I haven't thought through the implications of what is going on with West, yet.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (dX4hn)

156 Rope / Chair 2016

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (xnK7Q)

157 I wish I was in November 1948

Well, for me it would be 1953 (after the Korean War) to 1965 (right after the British Invasion).

I'd like to live a full lifespan within those twelve years. Each time it became 1965 I'd go back to 1953 again, until I'd lived out my seventy or so years.

Failing that, I'd like to live a full lifespan in the movie North by Northwest.

That's an idea to get your minds off of politics!

If you could live a full lifespan in a movie, which one would it be?

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:25 PM (SI/pw)

158 "147 I feel like
I am living inside the book Atlas Shrugged but I don't see any John Galt out there !!!!!! Someone in the Horde tell me there is hope for this country !!!!!!

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (LZIdD) "

There is hope for this country.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:25 PM (uvzjj)

159 103
71 Anyone else find it peculiar it is taking so long to move fuel into NY and NJ ********* Doesn't help that people can't charge more $$$ for it.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 11:25 PM (opS9C)

160 140 Average people earn money doing things they don't love. Rich people follow their passion
***
I have to call BS on this one.

Most people who "follow their passion" end up asking if you'd like fries with that.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (AUeaU)

I agree with the guy with the number name. I love to sit on my ass, wake up at 12, jerk off to Internet porn, and then play Xbox and drink beer. I guess I'm a millionaire in the making if I ever get laid off

Posted by: Mr pink at November 08, 2012 11:25 PM (9j2e+)

161 I like Rubio, I really do, but he hasn't DONE anything to distinguish
himself in the Senate other than giving a few good speeches and being
hispanic.

***

In some countries that wins you the presidency and a nobel prize

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 08, 2012 11:25 PM (SkyIE)

162 Machine gun / Lamp post 2016

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (FMbng)

163 BCochran, this clip from SPirit of Wonder is dubbed into Spanish. But still captures how fun/crazy the anime is.

Dr. Breckenridge has created a space symmetry reflex mirror. Old guy is Breckenridge. Young one is Jack his helper whom Miss China has a crush on. There are very few clips on YouTube of the series.
http://youtu.be/jNoPunGHXIA

H.G. Wells 'The First Men in the Moon'
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1013/pg1013.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (SE9Fr)

164 54
I swear to God I will not vote for another Bush.

Me either. Hardwood floors from here on out.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (d0Dmj)

165 Someone sould be forcing a recount in the philadelphia precincts with the 90 percent plus turnouts if only to make an example of some ballot stuffing cocksuckers.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (Z9EHQ)

166 137 Tennessee tops the list though.


Tennessee has a combined sales tax rate of 7% state and 2.45% local on avg. and a 6% income tax.

Posted by: no good deed at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (mjR67)

167 That map makes me very angry. Here's my plan for the future: screw p.c., screw playing by the rules, screw civility, screw reaching across the aisle and screw compromise.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (DoZD+)

168 We need to bring our flashiest toy to the campaign trail and it's Rubio. Thats what gets elections these days. After what Dems did to Palin, no way do I want a woman near the ticket. Catty bitch voters if you know what I meanPosted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (iEujK)

Hey are you TFG that didn't vote this election?

Posted by: osu at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (xR46S)

169 >>>WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

We've been Socialist Europes sugar daddy for decades now, insulating them from reality. All they ever had to do was just give another shake to the money tree and all was well. But all that money from uncle sugar is about to dry up as we go libtard too.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (GE1+K)

170 "I'm not trying to be a dick either. I know nothing about polls and data
and math in general. But you seem to think there's an actual case here?
Or at least massive suspicion?
A 90% turnout should be a red flag."

Yes.

If I were the Romney campaign I would want a hand recount of Miami.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (dX4hn)

171
157
I think I'd pick North by Northwest too actually.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (8cOY0)

172
SWEET FLYING FUCK.
Allen West "lost" by 2600 votes.
He demanded a recount. Per the Blaze, he is now ahead in LIBERAL Palm Beach county by 300 votes.
Imagine what votes were missed in the more conservative counties of his district.
In St. Lucia (more conservative) the fucking bitch locked the doors during the vote tally ( and yes she's a zero supporter).
Colonel allen west may blow this whole fucking thing wide open.
And all we want to do is selfimmolate here.
Come on, we need to look at this and look at it hard.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (TZzO/)

173 Mmmmmmkay, time for me to get ready for woik.

Gotta work for the greater good of society, after all. Now that the election has confirmed we're all only cogs in the great machine it's time to keep our heads down and do our part for our lords and masters in Leviathan.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need and all that.

Hail to Godking Obama!

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (LUnTP)

174 In some countries that wins you the presidency and a nobel prize
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 08, 2012 11:25 PM (SkyIE)



LOL!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (2rMmy)

175 I wish I was in November 1948

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:25 PM (SI/pw)


I'm pretty sure he was refering to being 'inside' Ms 1948


but that is just how I roll


Posted by: Moron #3 at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (2CiZb)

176 elizabethe, thanks for sharing. me too.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (y2Ojs)

177 I live in CA and my daughters live in MA.

I have a job and they are struggling to find work.

This Christmas, when we are together, I will talk to them about moving to Texas or NC to start a new life.

If it happens, our votes will count, so that's one good thing amongst the rest.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (sRus3)

178 >>>161 I like Rubio, I really do, but he hasn't DONE anything to distinguish
himself in the Senate other than giving a few good speeches and being
hispanic.
***
In some countries that wins you the presidency and a nobel prize

Yeah, there's something to be said for aura and celebrity. I want record and accomplishment, but pandering and cool catchphrases seem to work.

Maybe we can run Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (YSkOI)

179 PPP-IOWA GOP

Shoot me now.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (A+/8k)

180 Oh, also, I think Boehner and the house should go the 'heck do what you want' route.

Posted by Ring at November 08, 2012 1120 PM (iWnmm)


Or how about:

"The Fiscal Cliff And The Keyser Soze Option"

http://tinyurl.com/apsf32q

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (sZTYJ)

181 So East Grand Forks, MN did go for the Teleprompter Messiah after all. Fuck them, I won't spend another dime there.

Posted by: logprof at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (jKE+Z)

182
sorta, but the Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Rush Limbaughs and professional atheletes are the noncorelating data points
***
If you are really, really good at something that is lucrative and that you like...that works. But most things that are lucrative aren't as enjoyable as playing professional sports or being Rush Limbaugh.

I don't hate my job by any stretch and the pay is very good. But if I became independently wealthy I wouldn't do it anymore...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (AUeaU)

183 34 "And the 2012 Election Popular Vote by County"

There's a shitload of Obama blue creeping up from South Texas.

It's almost as though there was a slow demographic invasion going on. That started down around the border.

So much for TX as a refuge in the long term. Just as doomed as the rest of America.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 11:00 PM (ymG7s)



It's been that way for a while - in population, at least, if not in voters... But there are a lot of Hispanics throughout the whole state, and I've seen some predictions that Texas may become the next swing state


79 34 So much for Texas as a refuge for the long term.

I suggest all of you thinking of moving to Texas, move to those areas as a counterweight.

Posted by: no good deed at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (mjR67)


Now that might help! But I'll warn you, it gets really hot and humid down there

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (JwW4z)

184 Elizabethe, I feel the same way. I only have one best friend who lives in the south, I'm single and I'm surrounded utterly by assholes and women looking to cut my dick off for daring to pollute their existence with my conservatism. Makes for a very lonely life.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (UW6Xt)

185 71 Anyone else find it peculiar it is taking so long to move fuel into NY and NJ - NY is starting fuel rationing tomorrow. Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (Z9EHQ) I really couldn't care less. Let the government they voted for rescue them.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (2rf52)

186 Machine gun / Lamp post 2016
Sure! Cut me out!

Posted by: piano-wire at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (nkiQM)

187
YES, DEMAND A RECOUNT IMMEDIATELY, of FL, VA, OH and CO, once the voting irregularities are proven in Allen West's recount. That is the trigger.
Hrothgar, I could not agree more.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (TZzO/)

188 that'd go rather well with the howling, but it's too jumpy to make me sleep. (The drums, maybe?)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (2rMmy)

Well, maybe it's better love-making music.

*Cough*

Okay, definitely gotta go now!

Posted by: Robert at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (LUnTP)

189 Forget voter fraud. It was caught in droves in the '08 election and nobody paid for it. It doesn't matter. Crooked judges. Criminal president. But here's another plan: slowly take the country back. As in, none of us here will be alive to see it happen. Recruit conservatives to teach. Go underground. Just like they did.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (DoZD+)

190 Armando, seriously? Just ask Cthulhu. Nylaro-chan is this really cute gray haired alien girl. She is a police agent sent to Earth to protect an Earthling boy whom she has a crush on and wants to have children with while collecting as much ecchi manga as possible since ecchi manga it seems is Earth's #1 bootleg to the rest of the universe.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (SE9Fr)

191 The thing about British Invasions is they were really great for the invaded country. They would end up with far more freedom and prosperity than before they were invaded. Great reading on this is Paul Theroux's Dark Star Safari: Overland from Cairo to Capetown.

Theroux is a lefty but he has a streak of honesty. Pretty much all of the remaining (AKA semi-functioning) infrastructure he encountered in Africa was a remnant of the British Empire. Nothing much since "independence".

It's a damn shame what has happened to Britain and an effing shame what is happening to her rebellious child the USA as well.

Posted by: streetparade at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (EMDr6)

192 Come on, we need to look at this and look at it hard.
Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 11:27 PM (TZzO/)

Nothing will happen unless each candidate takes action.

Mitt will never challenge the count anywhere. It just isn't done. It should be done, but it isn't.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:30 PM (sRus3)

193 >>>Come on, we need to look at this and look at it hard.

It should have never have been that close.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 11:30 PM (GE1+K)

194 Posted by: madj at November 08, 2012 11:23 PM (Unkf2)


We should unabashedly play and replay the lawfare card so beloved by Dems.


Demand recounts and be ready to counter the first three or four recounts with independent analysis, Sue the elections board, Sue for access to the protocols for software upgrades, Sue for access to the voting machine procurement process, Sue to have the ballot handling process made public to include names of election officials. ...

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 08, 2012 11:30 PM (Cnqmv)

195 emam,

Lots of good places here in NC to settle down. It's really nice.

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 11:30 PM (doBIb)

196
logprof at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (jKE+Z)
I laugh everytime one of the pro atheletes goes bankrupt. Blew it all on bling and parties. Dumbasses. Don't recall but one or two white guys going under but they were out of it for years and a lot can happen.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (+9AX9)

197 oops

MissTammy!

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (Z9EHQ)

198 Colonel Allen West may blow this whole fucking thing wide open.
G-d help him in his efforts then even more.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (nkiQM)

199
166
137 Tennessee tops the list though.



Tennessee has a combined sales tax rate of 7% state and 2.45% local on avg. and a 6% income tax.




Posted by: no good deed at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (mjR67)


Income tax is only on investment income over a certain amount (can't remember the exact details) - it's not exactly like other states with an income tax. Called the Hall Tax, if anyone wants to Google it...

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (JwW4z)

200 Allen West for President?

Hey Biden, laugh at *me* at the debate. I dare you - West '16.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (AUeaU)

201 Elizabethe, I know it seems pretty bleak. But we are here for you. Ping me on NaNoWriMo site with emails. Okay?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:32 PM (SE9Fr)

202 I think I'd pick North by Northwest too actually.

You're a person of great taste and sophistication.

The clothes, the colors, the cars, the architecture, and the food really draw me in. When you see people in films from the fifties sitting down to big steak meals in restaurants, it's just terrific.

For some reason I love it when they go to delis in movies from the fifties. I imagine that the sandwiches tasted totally different.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:32 PM (SI/pw)

203 He's the GOP's foremost expert on budgetary and fiscal matters, which is the shitstorm we're heading into.
---------------------------
I dont give a shit. Campaigns are like American Idol. Outcampaign and outpander. Ryan can be VP nominee or something. We just had an expert on the economy as the last nominee

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 11:32 PM (iEujK)

204 158 "147 I feel like
I am living inside the book Atlas Shrugged but I don't see any John Galt out there !!!!!! Someone in the Horde tell me there is hope for this country !!!!!!

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (LZIdD) "

There is hope for this country.


Thanks Mirror Image....I am just not seeing much of it right now .....I am so sad , angry , mad as Hell ...and so worried about our kids and their kids .....

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:32 PM (LZIdD)

205 I'm single and I'm surrounded utterly by assholes and women looking to cut my dick off


If you look anything like your nic, you wont be single for long!

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 11:32 PM (doBIb)

206 137 Tennessee tops the list though.



Tennessee has a combined sales tax rate of 7% state and 2.45% local on avg. and a 6% income tax.




Posted by: no good deed at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (mjR67)

Income tax is only on investment income over a certain amount (can't remember the exact details) - it's not exactly like other states with an income tax. Called the Hall Tax, if anyone wants to Google it...
Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (JwW4z)

I am a fan of the state but if it is a strategic retreat we are making we need something with warm water ports and access to the sea.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (Z9EHQ)

207 *Pokes* Robert ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (gh+mp)

208 On second thought, we should investigate all voter fraud. And demand recounts at every opportunity. Mess up their utopian little world. Give them headaches. Shout them down. Screw with 'em every chance. Toss our crappy attitudes in their faces. Don't give them a moment's peace. They're going to blame us for everything anyway no matter what, so give them a reason!

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (DoZD+)

209 You gonna eat those fries? Springstein rocks!

Posted by: Krispy Kreme Chris Christie at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (ypzqs)

210 Oh, and based on the map above, why aren't Republicans working on a specifically anti-urban set of policies?

Move people out of the cities and many will regain their sanity...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (AUeaU)

211 I think the threshold for any TN income tax is something like $1,000,000 income from certain kinds of investments. 99.4% of state don't pay any income tax.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (uyPho)

212 Hi concrete girl. =)

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (ou/rY)

213 Llarry, that is another thing Sandy probably killed off. The remaining '50s style diners that populated New Jersey.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (SE9Fr)

214 I don't see what there is to argue anymore about politics. It's over. Unlikely voters prefer Dems 70-30. All the Dems have to do is register these people and get them to vote. Voting is being done by email on phones now.

It is totally over. It makes no difference why we lost THIS election. The republicans will never win another presidential election.

Posted by: Durka at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (1crPI)

215 I might have sprung for cash to get them a hotel, but 12 people for 10 days is Too Much
------------------------

I don't disagree, but what are you gonna do? Family is family. I feel bad for my poor mom, though, who didso muchcooking.All that work and seeing herbeloved Mittens go down was really too much for the sweet old bat to take. I'm sending her off for a spa day asap.

Posted by: Tired Wench at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (Uq+DN)

216 166 I like that they don't tax wage income, just dividend, unless things changed...

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (pSUgh)

217 >>>203 He's the GOP's foremost expert on budgetary and fiscal matters, which is the shitstorm we're heading into.
---------------------------
I dont give a shit. Campaigns are like American Idol. Outcampaign and outpander. Ryan can be VP nominee or something. We just had an expert on the economy as the last nominee

Okay, we'll just run Christie then.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (YSkOI)

218 I'm pretty sure he was refering to being 'inside' Ms 1948




but that is just how I roll


You mean wearing her like a suit? Kind of icky, but I guess it would keep you warm. Until her body heat dissipated, that is.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:35 PM (SI/pw)

219 Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (AUeaU)


West in 2016 would throw the Dem racists for a loop, but they would attack and smear him anyway. West is the kind of leader the military desperately tries to suppress because he can inspire people to do more than they think they can.

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 08, 2012 11:35 PM (Cnqmv)

220 "204 158 "147 I feel like
I am living inside the book Atlas Shrugged but I don't see any John Galt out there !!!!!! Someone in the Horde tell me there is hope for this country !!!!!!

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (LZIdD) "

There is hope for this country.


Thanks Mirror Image....I am just not seeing much of it right now .....I am so sad , angry , mad as Hell ...and so worried about our kids and their kids .....

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:32 PM (LZIdD) "

For pretty much all of human history, human existence has been "not optimal."


I suggest relying on God. Better than all the alternatives.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:35 PM (uvzjj)

221 I think the threshold for any TN income tax is something like $1,000,000 income from certain kinds of investments. 99.4% of state don't pay any income tax.
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (uyPho)

well that is the end of my plans to move to tennessee

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:35 PM (Z9EHQ)

222 Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (JwW4z)

You are correct. I missed that. Interest and dividends only are taxed.

Posted by: no good deed at November 08, 2012 11:35 PM (mjR67)

223 I'm single and I'm surrounded utterly by assholes and women looking to cut my dick off
***
I have to say I have noticed a rather distinct difference between the American born and non-American born women I've dated.

Of course I live deep behind enemy lines so these are Feminist-Americans of course...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (AUeaU)

224 We need a very hard look by our Florida people on this. Allen west is now ahead on a hand recount of paper ballots in palm beach county. PALM BEACH

And how about the sidebar item about the outrageous percentage of the vote tfg got in the Philly precincts where they illegally threw out the GOP observers?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (miGGb)

225 If Allen West pull it off, I think that he'll be at the top of my list for President.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (sZTYJ)

226
206

I am a fan of the state but if it is a strategic retreat we are
making we need something with warm water ports and access to the sea.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (Z9EHQ)

Brings us back to South Texas...

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (JwW4z)

227 Christina Hendricks Might Jugs, I'm sorry all the women want to cut your dick off. But you know, after that happened to John Bobbitt, he was able to make that porn movie, so upside!

jk. sucks. Women suck.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (ou/rY)

228 Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (UW6Xt)

Northern Arkansas is quite nice as well, and I am sure I could find you a pretty lady who could find something much nicer to do with your manlyparts.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (2rMmy)

229
Elizabethe, I feel the same way. I only have one best friend who lives in the south, I'm single and I'm surrounded utterly by assholes and women looking to cut my dick off for daring to pollute their existence with my conservatism. Makes for a very lonely life.
Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest
Now I'm confused.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (+9AX9)

230 Posted by: Krispy Kreme Chris Christie at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (ypzqs)

Sure. Why not.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (uvzjj)

231 Expertise and executive experience are nice, but useless these days.

Rubio and West have little executive experience, well West does, but they do have what it takes to garner votes and West at least is no coward and is a patriot.

I confess I know little about Rubio, but assume he is much like West.

A man like West has my vote because he won't fuck America up the ass. That alone is worth ten years as a Governor.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:37 PM (sRus3)

232 @andycanuck
Colonel West - "Cometh the moment, cometh the man"

Posted by: streetparade at November 08, 2012 11:37 PM (EMDr6)

233 Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (Z9EHQ)
Brings us back to South Texas...
Posted by: George W Beagle's mom

girlfriend I am planning to blow manhattan for dallas as soon as I am able. have been looking for a place n dallas.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:37 PM (Z9EHQ)

234 emam,

Lots of good places here in NC to settle down. It's really nice.
Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 11:30 PM (doBIb)

Indeed, I paid NC a visit several years ago and liked it very much.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:38 PM (sRus3)

235 RE: Allen West. There is a big difference between proving fraud in one Congressional District, and doing it across the country. I firmly believe there was fraud in various places, as there always is. What can be proven is different matter.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 11:38 PM (opS9C)

236 If you could live a full lifespan in a movie, which one would it be?


Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:25 PM (SI/pw)
Debbie Does Dallas

Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2012 11:38 PM (hO9ad)

237

I'd keep my eye on Jeb's son.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 11:04 PM (piMMO)


Well, well, well... Look what just showed up in the Dallas Morning News: http://tinyurl.com/bdlub7g


Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:38 PM (JwW4z)

238 185
71 Anyone else find it peculiar it is taking so long to move fuel into
NY and NJ - NY is starting fuel rationing tomorrow. Posted by:
yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (Z9EHQ) I really couldn't care
less. Let the government they voted for rescue them.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (2rf52)


Seconded.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (kaalw)

239
We need a very hard look by our Florida people on this. Allen west is now ahead on a hand recount of paper ballots in palm beach county. PALM BEACH

And how about the sidebar item about the outrageous percentage of the vote tfg got in the Philly precincts where they illegally threw out the GOP observers?
Even if it doesn't change the outcome it needs to be pointed out but most people will never hear of it or just go "Meh."

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (+9AX9)

240
Indeed, I paid NC a visit several years ago and liked it very much.
Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:38 PM (sRus3)

I have relatives there, my relatives alone are enough to leave the state let alone avoid moving there.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (Z9EHQ)

241 your best clue that something "interesting" happened in Florida is that with about 70% or so of the vote counted, both the Romney and Obama campaigns thought that Romney would win the state by around 100K votes. What did he lose by, 50K? The campaigns knew every precinct that was out - they don't miss a prediction by that much.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (m5Iwq)

242
He's the GOP's foremost expert on budgetary and fiscal matters, which is the shitstorm we're heading into.
---------------------------
I dont give a shit. Campaigns are like American Idol. Outcampaign and outpander. Ryan can be VP nominee or something. We just had an expert on the economy as the last nominee

Ryan might be of more value as Chairman of Ways and Means. Get a real budget and have everything start through him. He's slated for it starting in 2015.

Posted by: madj at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (Unkf2)

243 If Allen West pull it off, I think that he'll be at the top of my list for President.
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (sZTYJ)


To me, just trying is good enough.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (sRus3)

244 I'd keep my eye on Jeb's son.

... in the fashion pages.

Because he sure as hell ain't going to be winning any national races as a Republican.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (QTHTd)

245 Mirror Universe ....I know , I am a strong conservative pro life Catholic and I just need to rely on God .....
Right now my anger is Really Really Really Burning !!!!!
I guess that means I need to do some heavy duty prayer tonight ....( grabs the rosary on the table ) .....

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (LZIdD)

246 A movie life? Aboard USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-A, at the end of Star Trek IV: Voyage Home.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (SE9Fr)

247 I don't disagree, but what are you gonna do? Family is family.

Again, you are nicer than me. Had they been laughing at me for preparing, I'd have laughed at them when they came knocking, family or no family. Especially if they were Obama supporters.

Seriously, I am not nice that way.

I hope your mama finds some peace. She (and you!) sound like lovely ladies.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (2rMmy)

248 West in 2016 would throw the Dem racists for a loop, but they would attack and smear him anyway.
***
Ms Crowley, are you going to persistent in being wrong or can we carry on with the debate?

Now, as I was saying a West administration would not leave an American ambassador to die on the streets of Benghazi after ordering him there. Mr Obama, what was more important to you that night then doing your sworn duty?

Posted by: If Col West was ebating Obama at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (AUeaU)

249 Now that might help! But I'll warn you, it gets really hot and humid down there

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (JwW4z)

That's what she said.

Posted by: Michael Scott at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (jKE+Z)

250
Llarry, that is another thing Sandy probably killed off. The remaining '50s style diners that populated New Jersey.


Wow. That's really awful. I used to watch a show on the Food Network called something like Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives, until the camerawork got so insane that it made me nauseated with all the swooping, radical closeups, and edits every half a second.

It showed some amazing New Jersey diners.

In Tennessee, there's a diner that deep fries its hamburgers, and they still have the original oil in the frier from the fifties. It's sterile because of the heat, and they add to it periodically because the meat soaks it up, but they haven't thrown out the whole lot and replaced it since the fifties.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (SI/pw)

251 I've met Allen West. =)

I think he is a great American but, like most politicians, perhaps not always smart about the people he surrounds himself with.

I hope he pulls out a win.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (ou/rY)

252
233
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:33 PM (Z9EHQ)

Brings us back to South Texas...

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom



girlfriend I am planning to blow manhattan for dallas as soon as I am able. have been looking for a place n dallas.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:37 PM (Z9EHQ)

Come on down!! The more the merrier, in case we do become a swing state...

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (JwW4z)

253 71 Anyone else find it peculiar it is taking so long to move fuel into
NY and NJ - NY is starting fuel rationing tomorrow. Posted by:
yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (Z9EHQ) I really couldn't care
less. Let the government they voted for rescue them.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (2rf52)


Seconded.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (kaalw)

yeah, yeah, boo freakin hoo. I live in manhattan, did not vote for cuomo and voted for Romney. I am asking a question about the logistics of the situation.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:41 PM (Z9EHQ)

254 A movie life? Aboard USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-A, at the end of Star Trek IV: Voyage Home.

Would you mind explaining why? I'd be interested.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:41 PM (SI/pw)

255 "245 Mirror Universe ....I know , I am a strong conservative pro life Catholic and I just need to rely on God .....
Right now my anger is Really Really Really Burning !!!!!
I guess that means I need to do some heavy duty prayer tonight ....( grabs the rosary on the table ) .....

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (LZIdD) "

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:41 PM (uvzjj)

256 Hmm. Allen West for Pres. Nah. They'll just claim it racist/tokenism.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:41 PM (+9AX9)

257 I have relatives there, my relatives alone are enough to leave the state let alone avoid moving there.
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (Z9EHQ)


Oh my...what part??? I am related to roughly half of Western NC

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:41 PM (2rMmy)

258 And how about the sidebar item about the outrageous percentage of the vote tfg got in the Philly precincts where they illegally threw out the GOP observers?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (miGGb)


I keep trying to press the issue but most seem to want to back-burner it because Potato. Or because they think we should be able to overcome whatever margin they can get away with if we just solve their One Pet Issue.

I don't have the resources to get agencies to go after fraudsters or fly around the country digging through bins or interrogating people. I can call and write and shout, that's about it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 11:42 PM (bxiXv)

259 I really couldn't care
less. Let the government they voted for rescue them.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (2rf52)


Seconded.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (kaalw)


Thirded

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 08, 2012 11:42 PM (OWjjx)

260 Posted by: If Col West was ebating Obama at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (AUeaU)

I think the West administration would have either the Pres or VP attend every PDB as well.

Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado ) at November 08, 2012 11:42 PM (Cnqmv)

261 Debbie Does Dallas
Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2012 11:38 PM (hO9ad)

The shower scene looping forever?

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:42 PM (sRus3)

262 Now, as I was saying a West administration would not leave an American ambassador to die on the streets of Benghazi after ordering him there.



West would be fast-roping into the compound with pump shottie in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other!

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 11:43 PM (doBIb)

263 I have relatives there, my relatives alone are enough to leave the state let alone avoid moving there.
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (Z9EHQ)


Oh my...what part??? I am related to roughly half of Western NC
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:41 PM (2rMmy)

Raleigh Durham

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:43 PM (Z9EHQ)

264 Tammy, lol would that be the Bentonville Lafayetteville area? I hear it is nice.... When the climate is mild, but summer months seem to be torture.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:43 PM (/jWRD)

265
"Why run Ryan? He never ran state-wide in Wisconsin and he was absolutely invisible on the trail"

I was not happy during the VP debate to watch Ryan react to Joe Biden's overcaffeinated behavior, and constant boorish interruptions, with relative passivity. Some of the morons said it was understated Midwestern good manners on Ryan's part. To a lot of people not from the Midwest who don't understand that dynamic, Ryan looked like a beta male.

It would have been great if Ryan had said something like,

"I've got a seven-year-old son, and I'm used to having to remind him to quiet down and politely wait his turn to speak. But this is the first time I've run into a seventy-year-old man who needs the same reminder."

That didn't happen. More's the pity.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 11:43 PM (ymG7s)

266 Debbie Does Dallas

Yeah, but by the time you died your prostate gland would be the size of a beach ball. You'd have to build a wheeled cart to carry it around behind you.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:43 PM (SI/pw)

267 Lets see Llarry. Its the future so it means humanity has managed to save itself. A starship which means can travel to other worlds. Any other questions?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (SE9Fr)

268 "Mike Huckabee 15%"

Please God, no.

Posted by: GroverMuhfugginCleveland at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (LXKJo)

269 I would also like to see someone with some free time on our side do some precinct level reviews of the machine vote vs. actual voter rolls in both heavily Republican districts and heavily Dem disctricts. I suspect some of our votes disappeared in the machine, while theirs appeared.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (m5Iwq)

270 "Money is not the root of all evil.
Lack of money is the root of all evil."

Posted by: Rev Ike at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (e8kgV)

271 Allen West story over at the Blaze:

http://tinyurl.com/azdqbgf

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (sZTYJ)

272 71 Anyone else find it peculiar it is taking so long to move fuel into NY and NJ - NY is starting fuel rationing tomorrow.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (Z9EHQ)


Quite simple actualy. They destroyed the Free Enterprise system by saying you could NOT raise prices, even if your the only one with Gas...

Soooo.... why ship it there, if you are not going to make more profit from where you are already selling it?

If they let Free Enterprise Work? Prices would be a bit higher, but foks would be shipping it in from other places....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (lZBBB)

273 So, question. If Allen West uncovers some grand voter fraud, and it turns out there significant evidence that Obama stole the election, what will the MSM and the lefties call the conservatives who insist on pursuing the issue to make them seems fringe?"

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (ou/rY)

274 I think the really big problem are the voting machines, coupled with NO ID and machines manipulated by Scytl, take me back to paper ballots and ID...BTW, did anyone else notice the blue counties seem to all be located next to water? Could it actually be something in the salt air?

Posted by: Oopsy at November 08, 2012 11:45 PM (KlQV1)

275 246
A movie life? Aboard USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-A, at the end of Star Trek IV: Voyage Home.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (SE9Fr)

Just as long as you're wearing a gold, blue, or green shirt....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:45 PM (kaalw)

276 238
185

71 Anyone else find it peculiar it is taking so long to move fuel into

NY and NJ - NY is starting fuel rationing tomorrow. Posted by:

yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:10 PM (Z9EHQ) I really couldn't care

less. Let the government they voted for rescue them.



Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (2rf52)


Seconded.


All those in favor say "Aye".
Aye.
All those opposed?
(crickets)
Motion passes.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2012 11:45 PM (d0Dmj)

277 A movie life? Aboard USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-A, at the end of Star Trek IV: Voyage Home.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (SE9Fr)

Kirk's Yeoman? Anna, after you hear Spock tell his Amok Time story for the one thousandth time you beam yourself into space.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:45 PM (sRus3)

278 Just as long as you're wearing a gold, blue, or green shirt....
Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:45 PM (kaalw)

heh

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:45 PM (Z9EHQ)

279 Send me a thousand dollars, and I'll pray for your prosperity.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (BVkEs)

280 *sigh* Back to writing. Merovign now has more than 31,000 words written. Darn you Merovign!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (SE9Fr)

281 I keep trying to press the issue but most seem to want to back-burner it because Potato.
***
Speaking for myself, I just don't know what you expect to come of it.

Is there fraud? Yes. Do I wish the Republicans would stop wussing out and do something about it? Yes.

Will they? Hell No.

So...with that said, come up with a plan and let's talk.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (AUeaU)

282 anyone ever have a Wiggy's sleeping bag?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (Z9EHQ)

283 All this talk about missing votes and stuff reminds me - did any of you watch last night's South Park? I know there was some discussion of it on last night's ONT, and I finally watched it... Almost seemed as if the writers have been reading AoSHQ (missing/stolen votes, Disney, etc. - don't want to spoil it for ya...)!

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (JwW4z)

284 "273 So, question. If Allen West uncovers some grand voter fraud, and it turns out there significant evidence that Obama stole the election, what will the MSM and the lefties call the conservatives who insist on pursuing the issue to make them seems fringe?"

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (ou/rY) "

Voters.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:47 PM (uvzjj)

285 well, I am going to bed.
ugh.
good night all
I'm glad you're here, we will need each other over the next 4 years

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 11:47 PM (d/5qf)

286 It would have been great if Ryan had said something like "Joe stop acting like a 7th grader jackass."

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:47 PM (+9AX9)

287 Elizebthe, lol he did bounce back, must have been a novelty thing that fascinated women then.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:47 PM (pSUgh)

288 *sigh* Back to writing. Merovign now has more than 31,000 words written. Darn you Merovign!
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (SE9Fr)

good job Merovign!

Some daytime moron called Gregory of Yardale has written a shit-ton also on NaNoWriMo. I don't know if he comes on the ONT.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (ou/rY)

289 Allen West: Always Fighting the Good Fight

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (BVkEs)

290 Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:43 PM (/jWRD)


That's not a beautiful area, inclined to tornadoes, though, The NW corner really seems to take a lot of hits. (And it's crawling with Libs in Fayetteville, because of the University)

North Central is where I am. Downsides..... yes, summers can be hellish and there is very little work. But you'll have hellish summers anywhere int eh South. TN is no picnic either!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (2rMmy)

291 Cthulhu, orange did not save Chekov much. Nor white Terrel.

And if I can help it, no way would I ever venture to the bridge. Besides at the end of IV Kirk has a major torch going for a cetacean biologist who kissed him and flittered off.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (SE9Fr)

292 Anyone who sees any interesting voting results in districts they are familiar with should send an email over to John Fund - that guy is probably the best when it comes to identifying voter fraud.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (m5Iwq)

293 *sigh* Back to writing. Merovign now has more than 31,000 words written. Darn you Merovign!

Is it, "All work and no pay makes Merovign a poor boy" written over and over again?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (xKC/c)

294 If Huckabee gets the nod, I'm voting third party. I don't think I'm alone here.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (fCMdQ)

295 >>> and it turns out there significant evidence that Obama stole the election

It should have never been that close

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (GE1+K)

296 Mr Fish and I have begun the process of getting out of shithole California. Today's study material was the tax structure of South Carolina.

Any advice?

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (Mkhiu)

297 So...with that said, come up with a plan and let's talk.

Well, thank you for the invitation. It is called Mallamutt's Attorney General project. First, start with the assumption that the federal government will never address the issue of voter fraud because it is racist or something. Second, wage the battle in the states. Start by electing Republican State Attorney Generals. Attorney Generals who specifically vow to crack down and prosecute voter fraud cases. Third, enact very strict state voter law fraud with real jail time. Fourth, prosecute like a mutha you know what. Real jail time will serve as your deterant.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (OWjjx)

298 well, I am going to bed.
ugh.
good night all
I'm glad you're here, we will need each other over the next 4 years
Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 11:47 PM (d/5qf)

goodnight chemjeff thanks for the kitteh!

sometime I'm going to ask you about your cooking boot camp.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:48 PM (ou/rY)

299 "285 well, I am going to bed.
ugh.
good night all
I'm glad you're here, we will need each other over the next 4 years

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 11:47 PM (d/5qf) "

Seconded.



Later.

And God bless.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (uvzjj)

300 223

I do find women in red states to be noticeably nicer and sweeter.... And always married. Even the teenagers.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (UleUf)

301 If Huckabee gets the nod, I'm voting third party. I don't think I'm alone here.
___
I got this.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (AUeaU)

302 OK, I'm out

When the Sun comes up tomorrow, there'll only be 725 days until the 2014 mid-terms

tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: AltonJackson is not in a compromising mood at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (JMmQ9)

303 270 "Money is not the root of all evil.
Lack of money is the root of all evil."
Posted by: Rev Ike at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (e8kgV)

The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (fCMdQ)

304 Any advice?

Scratch Illinois off your list.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (OWjjx)

305 Night chemjeff

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (SE9Fr)

306 301 If Huckabee gets the nod, I'm voting third party. I don't think I'm alone here.
___
I got this.
Posted by: Jeb Bush at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (AUeaU)

Ok you made me laugh.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (fCMdQ)

307 >>>If Huckabee gets the nod

F* Huck. His relentless support of Akin did as much to hurt us as f*ing Christie and his shenanigans.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (GE1+K)

308 Elizebthe, lol he did bounce back, must have been a novelty thing that fascinated women then.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:47 PM (pSUgh)

Amazing what they can do with surgery these days. =)

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (ou/rY)

309 Hi concrete girl. =)Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan ===== Guess what?!..Your =) made me =)...Plus Ace actually wrote me back the other night (in a nice way) so that's two =)'s for me.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (y2Ojs)

310 Hmm. Allen West for Pres. Nah. They'll just claim it racist/tokenism.
Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:41 PM (+9AX9)

Let them. No matter what we do, they will say it is wrong.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (sRus3)

311 yeah, yeah, boo freakin hoo. I live in manhattan,
did not vote for cuomo and voted for Romney. I am asking a question
about the logistics of the situation.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:41 PM (Z9EHQ)


The logistics of the situation is that it's being handled by governments instead of markets. If some random guy could drive a tanker over the bridge, set up next to Central Park, and sell full 5-gallon tanks for $65 apiece, there'd be a parade going back to Oklahoma -- subject only to the ability to get over the damned bridge. Then some other guy might figure he could do the same for $60 and be back with another tankload before the first guy sold out.

After everyone got done slitting each others' throats, the price of gas would probably be somewhere close to other places in the area.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (kaalw)

312 273 So, question. If Allen West uncovers some grand voter fraud, and it turns out there significant evidence that Obama stole the election, what will the MSM and the lefties call the conservatives who insist on pursuing the issue to make them seems fringe?"
Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (ou/rY)


Same things they call us now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (bxiXv)

313 Oh, yeah - for those of you thinking of relocating to the Dallas area, the one blue county in North Texas is Dallas County - you want to look at Tarrant County (Fort Worth). It's nice and red, Dallas sports teams are ACTUALLY in Arlington (Tarrant County) - well, except for the Mavericks - and you can always visit Dallas if you have to... Or get enough of your friends to move to Dallas and turn it RED!!!

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 08, 2012 11:51 PM (JwW4z)

314 Goodnight ChemJeff, I'll have a miller lite for you (think you are the one that likes Miller lite).

Posted by: Adam at November 08, 2012 11:51 PM (/YJYi)

315 Raleigh Durham

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 08, 2012 11:43 PM (Z9EHQ)


Oh, I see. You're safe, then.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:51 PM (2rMmy)

316 A movie life?
Furniture upholsterer (or re-upholsterer) in Soylent Green if you get that reference.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 08, 2012 11:52 PM (nkiQM)

317
TN is no picnic either.
Lots of humidity like S. central Ind. Just thinking about doing something causes a drenching of sweat. Think Turkish steam bath. Other than that it's nice.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:52 PM (+9AX9)

318 So, too much explanation -- I feel very isolated in my life right now --
with the exception of one good friend, the people I associate with in a
bunch of different areas don't share my sense of humor or wacky outlook
on life.


A little unsolicited advice from someone in the same boat:

Be content with what they have to offer. I've met only a handful of people in my life who were on the same wavelength as me, and it used to depress the hell out of me. I mean, like, I was in a twenty-year funk about it.

In just the past year I've learned what a waste that was. My approach now is to accept each little smidgen from each person I know, and all together they add up to a whole.

Try to be as self-sufficient as possible, and then you'll view each of those little smidgens as a bonus.

I say this as someone who once had someone with whom I was in total synch, and when I lost her, I thought I'd die.

Now, I'm grateful for each little twinkle or oddity that comes my way. I hoard them like a squirrel loading up on nuts for the winter.

Generally speaking, it's enough.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:53 PM (SI/pw)

319 elizabethe: the people I associate with in a bunch of different areas don't share my sense of humor or wacky outlook on life.

----------
How YOU doin'?

I get it. Really, I do.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 08, 2012 11:53 PM (5J54Q)

320 Same things they call us now.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (bxiXv)

I was hoping someone could come up with something like "birther" or "truther". "Balloter", or something. Something pithy.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:53 PM (ou/rY)

321 Oh and speaking of ideas that Republicans won't embrace but should...why the hell isn't DMCA a partisan issue?

The entertainment industry wanted to fund the left? Sic Kim Dotcom on them.

The Yutes don't like us? One up Obama and give them free music, movies and games. Really...how many free rubbers do you need?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:53 PM (AUeaU)

322 Okay, we'll just run Christie then.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (YSkOI)
How the fuck did you get Christie out of my comment? Like him, Huckabee wouldnt be able to run either because they'd pass out after 100 yards

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 11:54 PM (iEujK)

323 I have to say that yesterday I was pretty damned depressed, but Allen West's fighting spirit has cheered me up A LOT! That and disk one of Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti. I'm ready to fight.

Posted by: streetparade at November 08, 2012 11:54 PM (EMDr6)

324 Rand-Rubio or bust.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 08, 2012 11:54 PM (fCMdQ)

325 Hey, Capt, if you happen to notice someone named Crazee on a thread, he is looking for a little advice on broadcast/sound production type stuff. Thought you might be able to put him some knowledge.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:54 PM (2rMmy)

326 The fact that Huckleberry's name is even being suggested as a candidate in the first place shows just how fucked up the party is.

Posted by: GroverMuhfugginCleveland at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (LXKJo)

327 Furniture upholsterer (or re-upholsterer) in Soylent Green if you get that reference.

That's brilliant! I never would've thought of that. You'd have to eat your veggies to make you big and strong.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (SI/pw)

328 Re: Attorney General Project. In addition, as part of my now new very strict anti-voter fraud crackdown, one of the new provisions would include the proviso that if you are a public official, employee or former of either, and you are convicted, in addition to any jail time, you also lose your public pension.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (OWjjx)

329 LLarry, those are good words. I do try to do that and I do appreciate what I get from the people I have.

It has a little to do with converting from being a lib to being a conservative. I lost most of my friends at that time. and then moved. so.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (ou/rY)

330 So, too much explanation -- I feel very isolated in my life right now --
with the exception of one good friend, the people I associate with in a
bunch of different areas don't share my sense of humor or wacky outlook
on life.
Feel alone in a crowd? Change crowds.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:56 PM (+9AX9)

331
I do find women in red states to be noticeably nicer and sweeter.... And always married. Even the teenagers.
***
I went out on a date recently with a woman who bitched about her ex.

He probably was a jerk...but perhaps a first date with someone else isn't the time or place to discuss it...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:56 PM (AUeaU)

332 >>> and it turns out there significant evidence that Obama stole the election



It should have never been that close
---
You know, they tried to illegitimize George Bush for years. Maybe it's time for some payback. Even if the fraud itself wasn't enough to flip the election, maybe enough attention to it could poison the well for the duration of his term.

Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2012 11:56 PM (hO9ad)

333 Mmm. Soylent Pink®.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 08, 2012 11:56 PM (nkiQM)

334 Question if West ends up wining in FL. Will MSM report on it or ignore it?

Posted by: Paul at November 08, 2012 11:56 PM (xwVUV)

335 and you are convicted, in addition to any jail time, you also lose your public pension.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (OWjjx)

ah! A codicil to the Marion Berry rules. I should write to the D.C. Council. I'm sure they'd go for it.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:56 PM (ou/rY)

336 Okay, we'll just run Christie then.
***
Fuck you

OH...you mean for office.

Posted by: Christie huffing and puffing after walking to his computer at November 08, 2012 11:57 PM (AUeaU)

337 320
Same things they call us now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 11:50 PM (bxiXv)



I was hoping someone could come up with something like "birther" or "truther". "Balloter", or something. Something pithy.

Voter?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2012 11:57 PM (d0Dmj)

338
326
We are becoming expert at rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (8cOY0)

339 Tammy: Yep, saw the posts last night. I caught up with him/her on Twitter. We'll be in touch. Hope I can help somehow. We have to stick together.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (5J54Q)

340 So...with that said, come up with a plan and let's talk.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (AUeaU)


1. Someone with resources has to do it, I have jack shit. I have sent letters /e-mails / called but there's little I can do. RNC/GOP would be nice.

2. Follow up on allegations of voter fraud and keep the information publicly accessible, like on the web. There are a ton of them and not all are worth digging deep into but record them in one place, others may come forward with more information.

3. Follow up on prosecutions and keep a public record of when they get dropped, like the famous NBPP case. Make noise about DOJ's corruption, too, and the Secretary of State project.

4. Have a group that works to keep the information public, gets it in web news, on conservative news sites, tries to get it in the MFM even if it's just smaller papers. The campaign becomes news at some point. Also C-SPAN.

5. Make fact sheets for pols to use when talking to the MFM. Make them available to their offices. Also Voter ID facts and talking points.

6. Don't freaking surrender, you freaking surrendermonkeys.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (bxiXv)

341 I hope your mama finds some peace. She (and you!) sound like lovely ladies.

-----------

Thank you. She really is a saint. I'm just one of the lucky beneficiaries.

Posted by: Tired Wench at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (Uq+DN)

342 Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:53 PM (AUeaU)

My understanding is that outside of a license fee, the networks do not pay for the privilege to use our airwaves. Well, fuck, time to change that with the "Public Broadcasting Funding Act of 2013".

That is right, we are now going to charge the networks a fee of two times whatever we are spending on PBS/NPR. 1/2 of the fee goes to PBS/NPR -- the other half to reduce the deficiet.

And you can introduce it with the guy who came up with the idea......Ralph Nader. Yes, I want to use Ralph Nader to screw the god damn media.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (OWjjx)

343 If the West recount alters the total by more than 50 or 100 votes (which you could discount as scanner misfires or some other hokey shit) and it tursn out he won, then some election officials and poll workers are gonna need to go to prison.

I would take a recount West win as prima facie evidence of massive systematic fraud.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (6pP0/)

344 I"m leaning Jindal/Martinez 2016.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (ou/rY)

345 Christie is a stupid and vain man who sold his soul for the promise of future glory.

Shun him.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:59 PM (sRus3)

346 So, too much explanation -- I feel very isolated in my life right now --
with the exception of one good friend, the people I associate with in a
bunch of different areas don't share my sense of humor or wacky outlook
on life.
***
Could be worse, you could live where I do.

Why yes, the election was exciting. Woohoo!

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 11:59 PM (AUeaU)

347 Dave in Florida,
I'm on my iPad which doesn't lend itself to linking, but on the ulsterman report website, the insider that has been aiding the Romney campaign was looking at the numbers the day after the election. He knows there was fraud and keyed in on palm beach and dade. He was truly stunned that the numbers made no sense. He gave us a link to examine the numbers ourselves. It sounded as if he suspected fraud in 4 to 5 swing states just like you are seeing in Florida. He was very sure of their numbers being enough to win the day before.

Virginia especially he knew they were up comfortably by 3 percent. I too, do not want to blame the voters and other things when it in reality could be simple fraud. Allen west shows us that. I'll try to post the link tomorrow. I know others here may have the exact link to that post from Ulsterman and could post it tonight as well.

Good luck on your marathon. I used to live in Weston, Florida.

Posted by: Lara at November 08, 2012 11:59 PM (TgSwQ)

348 Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (ou/rY)


How do you feel about guns? Because I promise you will meet some fine, fine men at a range. And you'll know they aren't pussies, which is very important.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:59 PM (2rMmy)

349 I went out on a date recently with a woman who bitched about her ex.
I hated that too. They seem to think you're that guy also when you do somethng they don't like.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 09, 2012 12:00 AM (+9AX9)

350 Voter?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2012 11:57 PM (d0Dmj)

LOL.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:00 AM (ou/rY)

351 My plan for world domination is scalable, downwardly, for our present predicament.

Among the other things I think we should do, and which I am doing myself, is cancelling cable television and never ever giving a dime to hollywood - movies or music ever again.

I do not see any point in giving them the money and opportunity to push morals and fund campaigns wit our money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:00 AM (Z9EHQ)

352 I really do not believe anyone is seriously suggesting Huckafuck for President.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 12:00 AM (OWjjx)

353 >>>You know, they tried to illegitimize George Bush for years. Maybe it's time for some payback. Even if the fraud itself wasn't enough to flip the election, maybe enough attention to it could poison the well for the duration of his term.

I'm not opposed to making libbies miserable I just have no further desire to expend effort on the behalf of a people who couldn't be bothered to care enough to vote for their own freedom and prosperity.

But sure shake that tree and see what falls out. I'm curious, but that's all, curious.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 12:00 AM (GE1+K)

354 Lets see Llarry. Its the future so it means humanity has managed to save
itself. A starship which means can travel to other worlds. Any other
questions?


Nope. Very nice. I understand perfectly. I wouldn't mind traveling to other worlds myself.

Best sci-fi novel ever written is The Mote in God's Eye, by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. If you haven't read it, order it from Amazon.

It'll stay with you forever.

Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 12:00 AM (SI/pw)

355 Martinez/Thompson ticket looks... wait, this is Nov 2012, not Sep 2016.

Posted by: John Titor at November 09, 2012 12:00 AM (xKC/c)

356 if West wins the recount, the next district I would check is Mia Love's. I find it interesting that some of our most recognized minority candidates lost in "upsets".

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 12:00 AM (m5Iwq)

357 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (bxiXv)

Isn't there a Non Partisan group called True the Vote?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (lZBBB)

358 Christie is a stupid and vain man who sold his soul for the promise of future glory.
___
Hey, don't forget the invite to Kobe beef night at the White House. And none of this fake American crap - shipped straight from Japan!

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (AUeaU)

359 How do you feel about guns? Because I promise you will meet some fine, fine men at a range. And you'll know they aren't pussies, which is very important.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:59 PM (2rMmy)

on a similar note, stay our of strip clubs.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (Z9EHQ)

360 BTW, CW Jr. told me his art teacher apologized to him in class yesterday. So there's that. Maybe the teacher's learned not to belittle his students for holding political views different from his own. Not really holding my breath, but...

I'm very proud of CW Jr. for standing up to his BS.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (5J54Q)

361 280 *sigh* Back to writing. Merovign now has more than 31,000 words written. Darn you Merovign!
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (SE9Fr)


Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (bxiXv)

362 How do you feel about guns? Because I promise you will meet some fine, fine men at a range. And you'll know they aren't pussies, which is very important.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:59 PM (2rMmy)

I used to be a lib, so I am afraid of guns. Libs think guns are magic and will just go off whenever. Seriously.

I don't actually believe that anymore, I want to get a shot gun. But I live in D.C. So. It's a little bit of an uphill battle.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:02 AM (ou/rY)

363 Average people live beyond their means. Rich people live below theirs.


I cannot stress this enough. I always wondered when I was young why we never had brand new cars, expensive tech equipment or went on expensive vacations. I have seen now so many people live above what they earn, it's ridiculous, almost as if they were entitled to it.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 09, 2012 12:02 AM (NzBQO)

364 Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (5J54Q)


Oh, you are the best, thank you!!!!!!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:02 AM (2rMmy)

365 Stuxnet hit Chevron. Sounds like an anagram.

Posted by: Baldy at November 09, 2012 12:02 AM (opS9C)

366 Christie is a stupid and vain man who sold his soul for the promise of future glory.
___
Hey, don't forget the invite to Kobe beef night at the White House. And none of this fake American crap - shipped straight from Japan!
Posted by: Chris Christie at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (AUeaU)

I see him getting a cabinet slot or a slot in the walk in pantry in the obama administration.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (Z9EHQ)

367 I went out on a date recently with a woman who bitched about her ex.
I hated that too. They seem to think you're that guy also when you do somethng they don't like.
--------------------
Run from those people. Like the wind.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (5J54Q)

368 I'm amazed Christie wasn't injured when that Navy F-18 landed on his ass.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (sRus3)

369 Wife beckons. Good night.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for LIfe at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (OWjjx)

370 . I can call and write and shout, that's about it.

If West wins & proves fraud, then maybe real reporters will like atkinson(CBS f&f) will pick it up & run with it.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (miGGb)

371
on a similar note, stay our of strip clubs
And the parking lot. That would be a plus.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (+9AX9)

372
If West wins proves fraud, then maybe real reporters will like atkinson(CBS ff) will pick it up run with it.
I pray that this happens.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 09, 2012 12:04 AM (+9AX9)

373 How do you feel about guns? Because I promise you will meet some fine, fine men at a range. And you'll know they aren't pussies, which is very important.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 11:59 PM (2rMmy)


The more women at the range the better, every time I go it's a freaking sausage-fest.

I Will Let Ladies Shoot My Guns For Free!

And I even mean actual firearms.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (bxiXv)

374 I can call and write and shout, that's about it.

If West wins & proves fraud, then maybe real reporters will like atkinson(CBS f&f) will pick it up & run with it.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (miGGb)

sure, they could find dead bodies in the ballot boxes and it would not get any more scrutiny than benghazi

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (Z9EHQ)

375 Oh, you are the best, thank you!!!!!!
------
Hey, I like to help where I can.

Your post on guys at the gun range makes me wish I had the money to afford a gun. I'd like to be better prepared, but finances just plain suck. (That's the downside of most radio jobs...they're fun as hell, but don't pay much.)

What's the, excuse the pun, best bang for the buck for a handgun?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (5J54Q)

376
Anybody think that if you put Christie on a diet he'd look like this:

http://tinyurl.com/a5mbv2s

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (8cOY0)

377 But I live in D.C.
Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:02 AM (ou/rY)


DC, huh? Let me ponder this a bit. Where are you from originally, if I may ask, and please feel free to tell me to mind my own business!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (2rMmy)

378 on a similar note, stay our of strip clubs
Call for Dr Freud. White courtesy phone, Dr Freud.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (nkiQM)

379 And I even mean actual firearms.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (bxiXv)

I thought you Sith types just used lightsabers?

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (ou/rY)

380 If Huckabee gets the nod, I'm voting third party. I don't think I'm alone here.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM!


Huckabee or Santorum.

Actually, 2/3rds of the list are retreads with no chance.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (A+/8k)

381 I used to be a lib, so I am afraid of guns. Libs think guns are magic and will just go off whenever. Seriously.



I don't actually believe that anymore, I want to get a shot gun. But I live in D.C. So. It's a little bit of an uphill battle.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:02 AM (ou/rY)


IMHO, there is a healthy fear of guns and an irrational fear of guns. The healthy fear reminds you that at its basic level, a gun is an instrument to kill, and all instruments to kill should be treated with respect. The irrational fear is the liberal fear, that a gun will hop out of the drawer you have it in and pop a bullet in you.

If you live in DC, good luck getting a gun. I believe it was an Examiner reporter who wrote about her experience to get a pistol and it took months. If you do end up getting one get someone you know who is familiar with guns to give you some advice.

Posted by: Adam at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (/YJYi)

382 This Should have gone in Gabe’s culture war thread earlier, but I was working and didn’t have time to write it. I hope it formats properly because I’m emailing it to myself to post from a public computer. It’s not that I’m widely known here, I’m not, but I’m not unknown either and this is personal, so what anonymity I can get is preferred. (Note to self: Don’t respond from home ‘puter. Lol)



I hope this election hasn’t cost me my mom. Let me explain. I have two moms. No, I’m not a book teaching your kids how cuddly nice homosexuality is, I’m adopted. Ten years ago, my birth mom tracked me down and gave me to opportunity to include her in my life if I wanted. Sure, I thought, why not? She’s my mom, after all. It really was that simple for me. She’s my mom? OK, now she occupies the mom place in my life (along with my mom, of course). She had contacted me just before I was getting married, I insisted she come to the wedding, seated her with my folks. I even introduced them: “Mom, this is mom. Mom, mom.” So now I had 2 moms. I’ve seen crazier things in my life.



The point is, when she wanted to be included in my life, I accepted and embraced it without thought. She’s never married (I think she’s a virgin), so I got to know cousins, nieces, nephews, etc. When an absolutely horrible tragedy struck her family, I was on the next plane out to help and support because…family, duh. I got to know and admire her, learned she’s a 2 time cancer survivor, she taught me about a family history I never knew, especially how proud she was of my grandfather and his service in WWII (and he did do some great things). She got unquestioned acceptance, grandkids, daughter in law, the whole nine yards, and I never thought it was anything other than natural to treat her this way.



So this summer I bought a house. Hey ma, you gotta come visit. She kept gently putting me off, “soon”, etc. I brought up the election once a couple of months ago, and she made a vague reference to how Mitt should “release his taxes”. I let it go. A couple of days ago, I called her on the phone, we spoke for a while, and at the end of the call I said “I hope you’ll vote for Mitt, we’re in a mess in this country”. She responded, again vaguely, “I’m sure I’ll vote my conscience”. Again, I let it go, but feeling that every vote in Fl. was important, the next day I sent her an email “say, what have you got against Mitt?” It wasn’t hectoring, or angry or even confrontational. I figured we could talk about it and maybe I’d sway her vote. I said hey, if you’re planning to vote for Obama, please consider this (and I listed 3 or 4 things about his (*barf* never had to type this before) first term, high unemployment, stagnant recovery, IPAB coming who would consider her ground zero for cost cutting as a 2X cancer survivor, Benghazi “Did granddad fight for a country that proactively abandons its men, under fire, to die for political convenience?” Then I asked her what she had against Mitt, I’d sensed dislike in our calls. Said he wasn’t my 1st,2nd or 3rd choice, but he’d grown on me during that campaign, “I have come to realize that he is a good man. And honest man. A man with integrity. A man who loves America and wants with every fiber of his being to see America succeed and remain the "shining city on the hill" that it's always been.”, and that Obama was none of those things, so what did she have against Mitt?



The reply I got was scorching. I’m not going to quote it here, mainly because I get mad all over again when I re-read it, but what she said was:

1: Well, I had asked, and this was her OPINION, she was entitled to her OPINION as she wasn’t going to discuss it further.

2: This wasn’t about abortion, abortion was an issues used to rile people up and get them emotional so they’d be easy to CONTROL.

3: She could never vote for a man or a party that didn’t respect her RIGHTS AS A WOMAN. There was nothing is his positions, his party’s positions or his people’s positions that showed any respect from the rights of women.

4: Mitt only cares about rich people. He doesn’t care about America or Americans, except as he can exploit them. He’s dishonest. He has no integrity. His business career has been ruinous for the economy, jobs, everyone but himself.

5: How fucking DARE I use her daddy’s good memory against her. I’ve crossed a big line. Don’t you dare do it again.

6: You asked me, I answered and we may disagree, but I’ll be honest, blah, blah, blah, love ya.



I got this email just after the election was called for TFG. I. Was. Fucking. Stunned. I knew she was more of a lib than I, but we’ve always been able to talk about stuff, even politics, so much so that I didn’t even think twice about dropping her the initial email. It’s like asking someone a question and they start screaming at you. Real quick, in order:

1: “My mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with facts”

2: Abortion is an emotional issue, and one of the things I’ve always admired, even before I met her, was that she didn’t abort me, she chose the harder path. But if not abortion, than what the hell kind of…

3: “RIGHTS AS A WOMAN” are you talking about? Does your vagina want to wear a hat and Mitt Romney says “no”? How about all of our RIGHTS AS AMERICANS, huh? How about that small, little thing? I don’t even know what the fuck “RIGHTS AS A WOMAN” even means.

4: Bullshit. It’s all bullshit. 2 minutes of Googling could disprove all of it, regardless of one’s personal politics, and apparently a woman who I had come to think of as intelligent and inquisitive hadn’t bothered to do even that. Either that or she’s got a sudden penchant for slander.

5: And just who the fuck do you think you are? He may be your daddy, but he’s my grandfather, and even though he died before I met you, you introduced him to me, and I seriously doubt that while he was desperately avoiding Nazi patrols trying to get back to allied territory after being shot down he stopped and thought “You know, if one day my daughter can take out her tits in church, tie balloons to her nipples and play “Abide With Me” on a flute in her pussy (or whatever the hell RIGHTS AS A WOMAN means), this will have all been worthwhile”. Drawing lines? Now we’re drawing lines? I welcomed and wholeheartedly accepted her into my life, without any reservation, when she asked, and I get this? I know for a fact that I and mine have immeasurably enriched her life, given her something that she never thought she’d have when she gave me up, and we did it with charity and love, but..here’s a line. She gets all of me, but I…I have to stop here. Reminding her that TFG is pissing on the service of our blood kin along with many millions of others is CROSSING A LINE?? Fucking Hell No.

6: You send this….deadly insulting letter to me, just minutes after people like you doom my beloved country to at the very least purgatory, most likely hell itself, and possible even dissolution, and you want to kiss and make nice because you’re “being honest”?? FUCK OFF!!! Just fuck the fucking fuckity fuck right off!!

I'm sorry. I'll probably get over it. It's family after all, but...damn. I've been seething about this for 2 days now and it's not getting better. It better get better. I hope it gets better. But the absolute slap in my face that this was....I dunno. Maybe just getting it off my chest will help. Thanks for listening all. Hopefully the formatting isn't atrocious.

And the reason she gave....they're so bloody stupid! Worthy of a freshman lit student at Smith, perhaps, but not a professional, independent woman. FUCK!

Posted by: Crimeariver at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (CP7rP)

383 I may need to take some risks and step up my schedule for infiltrating the Dem apparatus in Palm Beach...

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (6pP0/)

384 Christie is a stupid and vain man who sold his soul for the promise of future glory.
___
Hey, don't forget the invite to Kobe beef night at the White House. And none of this fake American crap - shipped straight from Japan!
Posted by: Chris Christie at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (AUeaU)

I see him getting a cabinet slot or a slot in the walk in pantry in the obama administration.
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (Z9EHQ)

He'll be the garbage disposal, like in the Flintstones.

Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (sRus3)

385 Your post on guys at the gun range makes me wish I had the money to afford a gun. I'd like to be better prepared, but finances just plain suck. (That's the downside of most radio jobs...they're fun as hell, but don't pay much.)
It doesn't matter. Just go and ask intelligent questions.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 09, 2012 12:07 AM (+9AX9)

386 DC, huh? Let me ponder this a bit. Where are you from originally, if I may ask, and please feel free to tell me to mind my own business!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (2rMmy)

I'm from el Ay. =)

I'm actually married. My husband is super stressed and busy at work, so I try not lay my emotional stuff on him on a daily basis.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:07 AM (ou/rY)

387 Oh, I have to share this.

On the way to court today I saw a car with a bumper sticker that read "California pistol and rifle association". An elderly Asian gent got out. I congratulated him on his sticker. He said he's a life long NRA member but if he put that on his car, it'd be torched. I bet he's Vietnamese.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:07 AM (8/slz)

388 Actually, 2/3rds of the list are retreads with no chance.
Posted by: cool breeze at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (A+/8k)That list is the most depressing thing I've seen since Tuesday.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 09, 2012 12:08 AM (8cOY0)

389 And I even mean actual firearms.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (bxiXv)

I thought you Sith types just used lightsabers?
Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (ou/rY)

you should mention on facebook/jdate/christianmingle/blackpeoplemeet/eharmony that prospective date should leave bangstick / thunderstick at home.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:08 AM (Z9EHQ)

390 2 Makes me warm and fuzzy to know the russians have the "cities" targeted.
Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 10:45 PM (FMbng)

... or 'Qaeda or the Brotherhood or our Chinese bretheren, or the norks (such evil/bad dictators that I refuse to capitalize) or the Iranians or the .... fill in the blanks to suit your flavor. I never thought that a map could make me dry heave before this, but thank you for the silver lining thought.

Posted by: and irresolute at November 09, 2012 12:08 AM (DBH1h)

391 What's the, excuse the pun, best bang for the buck for a handgun?
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (5J54Q)


Honestly, I don't know much about handguns, and I need to learn, because I need one. I like great big caliber GLOCKs, but they don't like me. I can't rack the slides for shit and the recoil kills my dainty little rat hands.


I am more of a pump shotgun kinda girl. Straightfoward, to the point.



Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:08 AM (2rMmy)

392 i agree with breitbart...embrace the culture war...but do it ruthlessly...and well, its actually quite fun.

call em welfare children, it is what it is so may as well call em on it. the little momma's boys like greg cried all the way to the ballot boxes. its okay little greggy...the grown men will help you if you need it lol

and yes greg, if you need a hand out with women too...let us real men know, we can sure find ya one.

and fuck the single mother vote, theyre losers too. let em vote democrat all they wanna. id rather have the classy old fashioned and sexier pin up type women of long ago rather than the overly tattooed, frumpy baby machines of today. yeah get another goofy tramp stamp honey, it wont get you too far in this 'war on womyn' you got going on **lighting cigar**

pot heads like to vote too eh? LMAO tell ya what kiddies, go round up ur dopehead friends, ill round up my drunk friends....yeah i thought youd run away.

blacks vote in blocs? fuck em too. attack their non-individuality. and why not? same goes for latinos gays etc...for example- angry blacks= poor individual blacks= successful. its as EASY to describe as that, and you KNOW im right.

we've put out the gentleman type candidate long enough, hey we tried ya know, now the gloves come off.

and fuck big bird, big bird as it turns out, was a pussy. its shame too, i liked the guy when i was a kid, now? not so much.

nothing is funnier than mocking the libs and we should do it tenfold whenever the chance arises.

Posted by: laughing at neck braces at November 09, 2012 12:08 AM (nVqtU)

393
YES, THE ALLEN WEST RECOUNT CAN REVERSE A FEW THOUSAND VOTE LEAD. This is in one of the most liberal counties in Florida.
They haven't ever counted the other more conservative areas yet in his district.
Electronic only voting machines MUST BE BANNED. We need paper ballots for verification purposes. Algorithms can be programmed to jack up the voting machines.
Even the fill in the bubble ballots, the machine that reads them CAN BE RIGGED OR MISCALIBRATED OR WHATEVER THE FUCK.
There needs to be a hard copy record to make sure. EVERY TIME.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 09, 2012 12:08 AM (TZzO/)

394 He'll be the garbage disposal, like in the Flintstones.
Posted by: eman at November 09, 2012 12:06 AM (sRus3)

heh

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (Z9EHQ)

395 " Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another- their only substitute , if they abandon money , is the muzzle of a gun."
Francisco d'Anconia Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (LZIdD)

396 I'm guessing late expansion westward and ease of travel in the 1900's is the reason why counties are so big out west? I'm mean the county I grew up looks like it would fit a couple states in.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (NzBQO)

397
360
BTW, CW Jr. told me his art teacher apologized to him in class
yesterday. So there's that. Maybe the teacher's learned not to
belittle his students for holding political views different from his
own. Not really holding my breath, but...



I'm very proud of CW Jr. for standing up to his BS.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (5J54Q)

Thanks for the update!! And I'm glad to hear it. Good for your son, too - must have been raised right

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (JwW4z)

398 links to 2 Ulsterman Report stories on voting "anomolies"
http://tinyurl.com/avpgqr6
http://tinyurl.com/c5s6cjr

Posted by: tofer732 at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (m5Iwq)

399 Isn't there a Non Partisan group called True the Vote?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (lZBBB)


If they accomplish anything significant that actually slows down the Fraud Leviathan down, I will throw my paltry weight behind them.

All these groups seem awfully slow-motion and tentative. They have tried to get lists cleaned up and voter ID but there are tens of thousands of felons around committing felonies and stealing votes and it seems like they're dabbling at the margins.

Huff'n'Puff calls them "right wing" of course.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (bxiXv)

400 How can you make a list of 2016 candidates the day after the election. Suppose Tom Brady decides to run as a Republican in 2 years? It's way too early.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (8/slz)

401 LLarry, those are good words. I do try to do that and I do appreciate what I get from the people I have.



It has a little to do with converting from being a lib to being a
conservative. I lost most of my friends at that time. and then moved.
so.


Well, Since I'm a former music journalist in L.A., all my friends are liberals. One of my closest friends is a colonel in the Army of the Russian Federation.

Three close friends are a hippie, a former member of the Frank Zappa band, and a punk rocker. They all know my views but still like me.

Despite the polarization of the country, we get along because we never talk politics. We talk music, art, photography, their kids, absurdity, movies, literature, weirdness, etc.

I would say that the people who dumped you because you became a conservative weren't your real friends in the first place. I've known two of my leftist friends for over thirty years.

The way I look at it, politics is cyclical. Today's it's my friends' time to be happy. At some point it'll be my time to be happy. I don't buy into the "We're doomed!" talk because I've seen countries in far worse shape than we are throw off socialism and embrace the free market. The next four years will give all my friends a crash course in real socialism.

I'm already betting that at least two of them will become conservative. If they do, we still won't talk about it, because our relationships are based on other things.

Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (SI/pw)

402 Elizabethe, something nice: CALMING MANATEE Also you are wonderful, one of my fave commenters, if that means anything.

I'm another crazy person doing NaNoWriMo; so far I'm behind, but I'm a fast writer so I'm not worried about catching up. Do we have a full list of the Morons attempting it? I lost some writing pals due to politics, so knowing there are fellow writers here has been a great help. Sometimes it feels like the left has the monopoly on telling stories, but it helps to remember that behind every really good story, the ones that don't seem to die, a conservative message is lurking, in hiding, waiting to be found. Timeless principles, we can haz them.


Posted by: LizLem at November 09, 2012 12:09 AM (8wqqE)

403 "How do you feel about guns? Because I promise you will meet some fine, fine men at a range. And you'll know they aren't pussies, which is very important."

and if you see the really fine, hunky one with a scrawny lil runt staring at him in wide-eyed wonder at the way his well-sculpted musculature effortlessly throws off his weapon's recoil in a series of sex-conjuring, wave-like movements, you should know that he's taken, and some tell that scrawny lil runt has a bit of fight >.>

Posted by: jimi ray at November 09, 2012 12:10 AM (79EF9)

404 makes me wish I had the money to afford a gun.

Pawn shop. Used Makarov. Should be under $100. Its a solid Soviet design that goes bang every time.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 12:10 AM (6pP0/)

405 Christie goes all in for his hoped-for 30 pieces of silver.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 09, 2012 12:10 AM (nkiQM)

406 I AM NOT IN ANY WAY BEING ENTERTINED! I WAS TOLD ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THAT AFTER THE ELECTION I WOULD BE ENTERTAINED HERE.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:10 AM (Z9EHQ)

407 360
BTW, CW Jr. told me his art teacher apologized to him in class
yesterday. So there's that. Maybe the teacher's learned not to
belittle his students for holding political views different from his
own. Not really holding my breath, but...



I'm very proud of CW Jr. for standing up to his BS.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (5J54Q)


Massive congrats to CW Jr.!!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 09, 2012 12:11 AM (kaalw)

408 I've decided I'll go ahead and waste the money so that I can show my worthless canvases in the January art show. However, they'll be priced for a fire sale, which is what it basically is (anything not sold gets burned, but hey, YouTube videos of the burnination!). So if any morons want some decent surrealist canvases...assuming there's any money anywhere...nothing over $100. I think several here have seen my work, and I apologize. Others are less aware and may, um, lose money on worthless crap! Everyone wins.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 12:11 AM (i0App)

409
I'm actually married. My husband is super stressed and busy at work, so I try not lay my emotional stuff on him on a daily basis.
Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:07 AM (ou/rY)


Oh, my apologies!!!!! And here I was gonna try and subtly set you and Xtina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs up!


I was born in el Ay, and lived there the last 25 years. I do not miss it one iota. How are you bearing the summers in DC?????

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:11 AM (2rMmy)

410 Your post on guys at the gun range makes me wish I had the money to afford a gun. I'd like to be better prepared, but finances just plain suck.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 09, 2012 12:07 AM (+9AX9)


Get yourself a Hi-Point. Good, reliable gun and only about $150 - you can even find them for less. I got a C9 and I love it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 12:13 AM (X3lox)

411 391 I am more of a pump shotgun kinda girl.

Oh come on you can NOT give us straightlines like that and expect us to behave.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:13 AM (9XVgh)

412 Life imitates Seinfeld;

Man sues wife over ugly baby

http://tinyurl.com/cjvyqkx

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:14 AM (wwsoB)

413 I AM NOT IN ANY WAY BEING ENTERTINED! I WAS TOLD ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THAT AFTER THE ELECTION I WOULD BE ENTERTAINED HERE.

This is entertaining. Reminds me of election night.

http://tinyurl.com/3v38ebk

Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 12:14 AM (SI/pw)

414 Christie's only choice now is to become a Bloomberg Independent.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 09, 2012 12:14 AM (BVkEs)

415 Your post on guys at the gun range makes me wish I had the money to afford a gun. I'd like to be better prepared, but finances just plain suck.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 09, 2012 12:07 AM (+9AX9)

If you live in a city do what I do. Go for a walk in a dangerous part of the city and take them off of muggers. Lots of crap out there, way too many mac 10s but every so often you get a 1911 or even a newish glock.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:15 AM (Z9EHQ)

416

376

Anybody think that if you put Christie on a diet he'd look like this:

http://tinyurl.com/a5mbv2s

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (8cOY0)


Haha!! Haven't seen one of those in a long time...

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 09, 2012 12:15 AM (JwW4z)

417 sure, they could find dead bodies in the ballot boxes and it would not get any more scrutiny than benghazi

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (Z9EHQ)


I pretty much consider 90% of reporters personal enemies after FandF and Benghazi.

Also you people are posting too damned fast.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:15 AM (bxiXv)

418 387 Oh, I have to share this.On the way to court today I saw a car with a bumper sticker that read "California pistol and rifle association". An elderly Asian gent got out. I congratulated him on his sticker. He said he's a life long NRA member but if he put that on his car, it'd be torched. I bet he's Vietnamese.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:07 AM (8/slz)

I have a Hmong neighbor. He has a beautiful lawn. He tends his fruit trees. His eyes are hard and his grip is strong and I have never seen him frown.He took down his Romney/Ryan signs today. He watches my house whenever I am away.

Posted by: and irresolute at November 09, 2012 12:15 AM (DBH1h)

419 CW Jr. told me he lurks here from time to time. Says the language here isn't any worse than he's heard at school.

Which is kinda sad, but it is what it is.

So yeah, I'm trying to raise him right...been doing it on my own for the past seven years. Far from ideal, but until our move here to Oklahoma, he had some good women in his life like his grandma and my sisters.

Yesterday he was trying to explain to some of his facebook buddies that somebody has to pay for all the "free crap you want". I think he's gonna be OK.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:16 AM (5J54Q)

420 I would say that the people who dumped you because you became a conservative weren't your real friends in the first place. I've known two of my leftist friends for over thirty years.


Actually, we were all academics. So it was a serious mind-fuck for them. I think it was really too much cognitive dissonance for them to handle.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:16 AM (ou/rY)

421 Electronic only voting machines MUST BE BANNED. We need paper ballots for verification purposes.

FYI - Electronic voting machines have been outlawed in FL since ~2007. Palm Beach took a huge financial beating when they disposed of all the touch screen units.

What I saw in my Palm Beach precinct was Sequoia scanners...

...Sequoia's sordid history and association with Hugo Chavez are well known.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 12:16 AM (6pP0/)

422
"The fact that Huckleberry's name is even being suggested as a candidate
in the first place shows just how fucked up the party is."

Fucked up indeed.

Huck was instrumental in keeping Todd Akin in the race after Akin shoved his foot in his mouth to the knee with his "legitimate rape" bullshit.

And Huck was thus instrumental in convincing a couple of million ditzy chicks that Mitt Romney's entire party wanted them to carry rapist babies to term, along with banning tampons and suchlike.

And Huck was thereby instrumental in delivering Barack Obama a second term.

Huck should be tied up in a sack and dropped in deep water.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 12:16 AM (ymG7s)

423 I AM NOT IN ANY WAY BEING ENTERTINED! I WAS TOLD ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THAT AFTER THE ELECTION I WOULD BE ENTERTAINED HERE.

This is entertaining. Reminds me of election night.

http://tinyurl.com/3v38ebk
Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 12:14 AM (SI/pw)

closer

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:16 AM (Z9EHQ)

424 @Yankeefifth: It's not a big town at all (around 20K), but I'll bet I could find a couple on the north side of town.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:17 AM (5J54Q)

425 Oh come on you can NOT give us straightlines like that and expect us to behave.
Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:13 AM (9XVgh)


Are we expected to behave here now?? I thought gun talk was cool?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:17 AM (2rMmy)

426 closer

Seen this?

http://tinyurl.com/35fb3no

Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 12:18 AM (SI/pw)

427 I AM NOT IN ANY WAY BEING ENTERTINED! I WAS TOLD ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THAT AFTER THE ELECTION I WOULD BE ENTERTAINED HERE.
____
Ok. Here you go.

http://tinyurl.com/ax6chlb

I wonder how many purple things she got sent to her...

Posted by: Some Moron at November 09, 2012 12:18 AM (AUeaU)

428 419
CW Jr. told me he lurks here from time to time. Says the language here isn't any worse than he's heard at school.



Which is kinda sad, but it is what it is.



So yeah, I'm trying to raise him right...been doing it on my own for
the past seven years. Far from ideal, but until our move here to
Oklahoma, he had some good women in his life like his grandma and my
sisters.



Yesterday he was trying to explain to some of his facebook buddies
that somebody has to pay for all the "free crap you want". I think he's
gonna be OK.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:16 AM (5J54Q)


Sounds like he will be more than OK - and that he will be one of the younger generation that gives me some hope for the future (and my old age)!

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 09, 2012 12:18 AM (JwW4z)

429 Elizabethe, something nice: CALMING MANATEE Also you are wonderful, one of my fave commenters, if that means anything.

What a nice thing to say. I didn't know I commented enough to be among someone's favorite. =)

If you want to friend me on NaNoWriMo my name on there is MagdaJHawthorne. That goes for any other morons on that too.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:18 AM (ou/rY)

430 385 Your post on guys at the gun range makes me wish I had the money to afford a gun. I'd like to be better prepared, but finances just plain suck. (That's the downside of most radio jobs...they're fun as hell, but don't pay much.)
It doesn't matter. Just go and ask intelligent questions.
Posted by: harleycowboy at November 09, 2012 12:07 AM (+9AX9)



M-1911A1. It's all you need to know about handguns.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 12:18 AM (zwaoz)

431 @Yankeefifth: It's not a big town at all (around 20K), but I'll bet I could find a couple on the north side of town.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:17 AM (5J54Q)

every town has someplace, it is all blueish.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:19 AM (Z9EHQ)

432 Ok. Here you go.

http://tinyurl.com/ax6chlb

-------
Wow.

(And since I never know now when CW Jr. is lurking, that's all I got to say about that.)

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:19 AM (5J54Q)

433
We are using voting machines that are being used in Venezuela.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON????

Posted by: prescient11 at November 09, 2012 12:19 AM (TZzO/)

434 It was the lefties in FL who demanded paper ballots after the Kerry loss. I think it'll be hilarious if those paper ballots they demanded are what exposes their fraud and gives West a win...

...then they'll be back to demanding touch screen machines.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 12:20 AM (6pP0/)

435 Get yourself a Hi-Point. Good, reliable gun and only about $150 - you can even find them for less. I got a C9 and I love it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 12:13 AM (X3lox)


I hope you will not be offended by a second opinion but I have seen more pieces of those than whole ones.

That's just one anecdotal data point but I wouldn't mess with them.

Ruger is about as cheap as I'd go as brands go. The problem is that even within brands there are good and bad choices, and too many of them to cover.

On top of all that, since you should never listen to Gun Counter Guy or Internet Gun Guy, that invalidates me even more.

You have to do your homework and then shoot some guns to see what you can handle and shoot accurately.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:20 AM (bxiXv)

436 Are we expected to behave here now?? I thought gun talk was cool?

Not to my knowledge, and yes.

I just can't see pump, gun and girl in the same sentence and not have my brain end up somewhere else.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:20 AM (9XVgh)

437 Doesn't the Makarovs use a Europe only round?

I really like my CX-4 Storm. Got the 9mm parabellum one. 16in barrel bull-pup carbine. Got the black plastic one, so I have what looks like one of the dreaded black rifles Socialists are getting the vapors over. Hardly any recoil and accurate.

Llarry, thought we are awaiting Lucifer's Hammer at this point?

And for the folks on this thread who like lots of fan-service that is disturbing just found via YouTube something called Ultimate Girls. My mind hurts now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 09, 2012 12:21 AM (SE9Fr)

438 I understand that man vs. woman thing, especially the chart about being quiet. How many times have men been asked, are you angry? are you mad at me? No but I will be if you keep bugging me. Ask women to tell a specific instance that happened during the day and you'll get a couple hours worth of tangents and complaints.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 09, 2012 12:21 AM (NzBQO)

439 I wonder how many purple things she got sent to her...
Posted by: Some Moron at November 09, 2012 12:18 AM (AUeaU)

closer

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:21 AM (Z9EHQ)

440 I was born in el Ay, and lived there the last 25 years. I do not miss it one iota. How are you bearing the summers in DC?????
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:11 AM (2rMmy)

that's okay Tammy! I miss L.A. alot and not at all.

D.C. summers don't bother me one bit. I was in the midwest for 7 years and winter there traumatized me, so now I welcome heat of all kinds.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:21 AM (ou/rY)

441 391 I am more of a pump shotgun kinda girl.
I'm outta here on that one. G'night all.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 09, 2012 12:21 AM (+9AX9)

442 yankeefifth -

Dave Chapelle on Police Brutality ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKQjXN7bR_k

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (gh+mp)

443 433

We are using voting machines that are being used in Venezuela.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON????


Most people assume that the left won't cheat, and conservatives won't take the necessary steps to prevent it. It'll be an all out effort.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (9XVgh)

444 Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:11 AM (2rMmy)

Where are you now? Are you the Tammy that has been moving around alot and is away from her man who is also a blacksmith?

Has anyone else noticed that the name Tammy is the HQ female equivalent of Dave?

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (ou/rY)

445 Do you have a Flickr page showing your work, Beckoning Chasm? And if you don't, I'd suggest you get one--they're free and work fine. They're so handy that I decided to upgrade to a paid account many years ago once the Canadian and American dollars reached parity.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (nkiQM)

446 If you live in a city do what I do. Go for a walk
in a dangerous part of the city and take them off of muggers. Lots of
crap out there, way too many mac 10s but every so often you get a 1911
or even a newish glock.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:15 AM (Z9EHQ)

Ummm. whut? Please elaborate. I'm curious about this method.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (lkjWK)

447 I hope you will not be offended by a second opinion but I have seen more pieces of those than whole ones.

That's just one anecdotal data point but I wouldn't mess with them.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:20 AM (bxiXv)


No offense taken. I like mine. It's been reliable and accurate and has a good feel to it, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 12:23 AM (X3lox)

448 We are using voting machines that are being used in Venezuela.

Sequoia is one of the big voting hardware vendors like Diebold. There's a few others too.

Curious that Palm Beach bought from the outfit that had Chavez ties though. On paper Chavez is supposedly divested, but the influence remains through beholden executives.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 12:23 AM (6pP0/)

449 Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:20 AM (9XVgh)


Ah, I did sort of walk right into that, didn't I???


And you, Sir, are a True Moron!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:23 AM (2rMmy)

450 I've never owned or fired a Hi-Point but I've seen videos on YouTube of guys "stress testing" them and the punishment the gun they had went through was impressive. No link because I'm being lazy but it shouldn't be that hard to find. The guys in the videos are southern pawn shop owners so that should help you find the video if you're interested.

Posted by: Adam at November 09, 2012 12:24 AM (/YJYi)

451 Ummm. whut? Please elaborate. I'm curious about this method.
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (lkjWK)

when they try to jack you - you jack them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:24 AM (Z9EHQ)

452 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 12:11 AM (i0App)

I'm sorry to hear your mood is still sour, but glad that you're still here to voice it. I hope the sale goes well.

Posted by: Methos at November 09, 2012 12:24 AM (hO9ad)

453 Ah, I did sort of walk right into that, didn't I???



And you, Sir, are a True Moron!


Woohoo!

Madam, you just made my week.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (9XVgh)

454 Please elaborate. I'm curious about this method.

Mug the muggers and take their shit. There's spots on Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando where you could fill the back of a pickup with the take from one good night.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (6pP0/)

455 Ok all, I have to go.

Thank you all so much for the hugs and things. I feel so much better.

(((((((group hug))))))))

Posted by: elizabethe at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (ou/rY)

456 399
Isn't there a Non Partisan group called True the Vote?


Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (lZBBB)

There is. I was forced to listen to ABC news shows this week when with family, they had TWO reports in the same week, on True the Vote, and that while the group SAYS it is not racially profiling OF COURSE it is, or that was the impression I got. The angry black lady voter ABC interviewed for the story said so, so it must be true. Apparently one of the higher ups oin the group is black, but of course they won't interview her, it doesn't fit the narrative.


Posted by: LizLem at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (8wqqE)

457 Is it safe? The data miners are hard at work. We may have to begin using couriers, people who are not afraid to go to L.A. alone as the song says. These people are not fooling around, they are playing the long game, and getting netted early is not going to help the cause. danger, will robinson, danger.

Posted by: and irresolute at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (DBH1h)

458 Maybe those 3 million Republican voters did show up, and are unaware their votes were changed because of a "glitch" in the machine.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (BVkEs)

459 Dave Chapelle on Police Brutality ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKQjXN7bR_k
Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (gh+mp)

heh, he is funny. I would prefer him to obama.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (Z9EHQ)

460 What's the, excuse the pun, best bang for the buck for a handgun?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (5J54Q


If you want the cheapest handgun, I really don't know. However, for effectiveness, i.e. will it do what you want it to do, I have two recommendations: in a .45 caliber, the Colt 1911 (or it's knockoff equivalent) is your best bet. Only limitation is magazine size (7 rounds standard, 10 HCP). In .40 cal, I'd go with a Glock. (15 round magazine easily available, 22 round also available). If you're not sure about your accuracy, go with the Glock. But don't buy super-cheap ammo (jamming problems).

Posted by: TH at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (7oUgp)

461 I hope all those working class people who didn't vote for Romney because he was rich and, like, sent jobs to China are going to enjoy being laid off if their employer is above 50 employees.

Obama was brilliant in getting this stuff to all hit in 2013. And since we somehow kept the House, he can blame the recession on Bush and the House.

BTW, today's paper claimed that the Tea Party was crushed and that the people have spoken for higher taxes. Really? We kept the house.

There must have been some split tickets galore.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 12:27 AM (1fvrg)

462 Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (ou/rY)


I grew up in GA, and I never have gotten used to the heat, I hate it. Hated the humidity of my youth, but that god awful Santa Ana wind dry heat is almost as bad.

Yep, I am that Tammy, though my husband is not a blacksmith. (not in real life anyway, and we ought not to discuss our fantasies here, right? )

I am in Arkansas now. Good to be back South, I have to admit.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:27 AM (2rMmy)

463 Good night elizabethe. Take care.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 09, 2012 12:27 AM (SE9Fr)

464
"FYI - Electronic voting machines have been outlawed in FL since ~2007.
Palm Beach took a huge financial beating when they disposed of all the
touch screen units. What I saw in my Palm Beach precinct was Sequoia scanners..."

And a scanner, of course, can also be hacked to alter the totals.

Perhaps an optomechanical unit would be hack resistant.

But really, we need to do away with these mad rushes to deliver vote totals right away with automated high speed ballot processing. This isn't a horse race. There is absolutely no need for such nonsense.

Vote tabulation should be a slow deliberative process, almost ceremonially slow, where people vote on paper ballots, that go in locked boxes, which are watched by election monitors from all major parties from the polling place right up until the boxes are opened and the votes are tabulated, again under supervision from multiple election monitors.

Not least because this would get rid of early election calls. That have so frequently caused problems in the past for late closing polling places.


Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 12:28 AM (ymG7s)

465 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 12:18 AM (zwaoz)

Yep.... IMO any Handgun that does not start with a minimum of .4, is a toy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2012 12:28 AM (lZBBB)

466 By how much did the votes shift in that one county for Allen West? From what to what?

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 09, 2012 12:29 AM (sZTYJ)

467 when they try to jack you - you jack them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:24 AM (Z9EHQ)

I'm a 5'1" petite but tough woman. I admire your style, and wish I could emulate without getting killed.
I am imagining what it must take physically to pull that off. Please elaborate.
Is Alex the Chick here? she'd help w/ stompy boots.


Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:29 AM (lkjWK)

468 Night, elizabethe, chin up, girlfriend. Sleep well.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:29 AM (2rMmy)

469 why the hell are people talking about fuckabee?

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 12:29 AM (LbwgI)

470 "In Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan, all of Khan's male crewmates were Chippendale dancers at the time of production"

No shit. That fucking Sulu was trying to code in his home phone number to them while I was sending the code to hack Khan's console

Posted by: Admiral James T Kirk at November 09, 2012 12:30 AM (wwsoB)

471 If you live in a city do what I do. Go for a walk

in a dangerous part of the city and take them off of muggers. Lots of

crap out there, way too many mac 10s but every so often you get a 1911

or even a newish glock.



Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:15 AM (Z9EHQ)

Ummm. whut? Please elaborate. I'm curious about this method.


Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (lkjWK)
It's pretty much what I do.

Posted by: Niko Bellic at November 09, 2012 12:30 AM (hO9ad)

472 I like the humidity of the Gulf Coast. I couldn't stand living out in Arizona. I had to sleep with water on the bedside table, and my nose bled all of the time.

Posted by: no good deed at November 09, 2012 12:30 AM (mjR67)

473 I'm going to smoke. fuck all this life improvement shit. That stuff can go on over at the hostages

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 12:31 AM (LbwgI)

474 BC, good luck with your sale. I am too much of a peasant to truly appreciate surrealism, but I remember when you shared pics of yours, and I thought it was by far better than things I have seen hanging in museums!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:31 AM (2rMmy)

475 Zakn!!!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:31 AM (2rMmy)

476 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 12:11 AM (i0App)

I love surrealism - Dali, Ernst Fuchs is a favorite too. A Flickr account would be great. Don't let the bastards grind you down. WE are the counter-culture now!

Posted by: streetparade at November 09, 2012 12:32 AM (EMDr6)

477 esch, you need to come around here more!!! Don't be shy!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:32 AM (2rMmy)

478
THE POLITICAL HAT.
He was down 2600 votes. The Blaze is reporting that he is up 300 votes already in Palm Beach - libs - and they haven't even looked at the other more repub areas/counties of his district.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 09, 2012 12:32 AM (TZzO/)

479 Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:15 AM (Z9EHQ)

Ummm. whut? Please elaborate. I'm curious about this method.


Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (lkjWK)
It's pretty much what I do.

Don't the wheelbarrows for your balls get in the way?

Jeez loueez.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:33 AM (9XVgh)

480 Tammy- the Santa Ana winds are horrible. I grew up in SoCal. Couldn't get enough chapstick.

Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2012 12:33 AM (Vk6ZI)

481 my nose bled all of the time.
Posted by: no good deed at November 09, 2012 12:30 AM (mjR67)


No kidding. Mine would bleed during those damned hot winds and, my God, my skin itched like nobodies business.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:33 AM (2rMmy)

482 yankeefifth -

Craig Ferguson - Stand Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJ2hD2R22Y

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (gh+mp)

483 Fro entertainment purposes.

The Indian "May He Poop?" song.

http://tinyurl.com/2f5hd9

Posted by: Llarry at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (SI/pw)

484 >>>Yep.... IMO any Handgun that does not start with a minimum of .4, is a toy.

*ahem* Really? Any handgun?

Posted by: 30.06 Contender at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (GE1+K)

485 "when they try to jack you - you jack them."

/rolleyes

"It's pretty much what I do."

...uh-huh.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (79EF9)

486 Joan Miro! I wrote a paper about him for a surrealist art class in college.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (6pP0/)

487 Didn't Nixon set the standard by not challenging JFK in '60?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (8/slz)

488 infidel, seemed to me like they weren't as bad the last few years. Did you get any this year?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (2rMmy)

489 Ruger is about as cheap as I'd go as brands go.

Yep. My brushed stainless P85 was the only 9MM that I ever picked up and liked. Since I am a parkerized fan, it had to go. Good weapon. Would be even better in .45ACP.

Barrettas. Are. Junk.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (zwaoz)

490 Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:29 AM (lk

apologies, I was unaware of your petite stature

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (Z9EHQ)

491 I just read the transcript of the interview with Boner. I thought you fucks were joking about the "slept like a baby" remarks. He fucking actually said that. Millions of Americans donated millions of dollars, time, and work into trying to help mitt win....and this fucking piece of shit has the gall to say he slept like a baby after seeing the doucebag who added. 6 trillion to the national debt get reelected?

This guy has to go. I'm out of this shit until he does other than reading this crap and laughing at shit. They get nothing from me. This fuck slept like a baby cause he has a government job and makes 6 figures, meanwhile millions are unemployed. Fuck this asshole

Posted by: Mr pink at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (9j2e+)

492 Don't the wheelbarrows for your balls get in the way?

Jeez loueez.


Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:33 AM (9XVgh)
http://gta.wikia.com/Niko_Bellic

Posted by: Niko Bellic at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (hO9ad)

493 THE POLITICAL HAT.
He was down 2600 votes. The Blaze is reporting that he is up 300 votes already in Palm Beach - libs - and they haven't even looked at the other more repub areas/counties of his district.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 09, 2012 12:32 AM (TZzO/)


He was down 2600 district wide, and is not up 300 in Palm Beach? What was he down by in Palm Beach, and how much of the district is in Palm Beach.

The -2600 and +300 seem to refer to two different things, or is the -2600 what he was down by in Palm Beach?

Also how much of the district is in Palm Beach?

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (sZTYJ)

494 YOUR'E WELCOME ELIZABETHE, though you already left

I don't remember if anyone here remembers, but I commented ages ago about my sis in NYC, gay and unionized yet excited to vote for Romney. She called me up Tuesday night, and it was either depression from the results or drinking a whole bottle of wine alone, but she started sobbing over the phone. She is terrified that the theatre she works for will have to undergo massive budget cuts and she will get canned, since she is lower on the totem pole. She loves her job and because my mom raised us right she is a super hard worker, and because of that she has done well in her job. I've been trying to reassure her that between Bloomberg the crazy and NYC libs loving to coddle the arts her theatre will not go under, but she is genuinely terrified. Reassured her that no matter what happens, she can always move back to Utah and regroup. Both family and the government can be there for you in hard times, but only family gives you hugs.

Posted by: LizLem at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (8wqqE)

495 What's the, excuse the pun, best bang for the buck for a handgun?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (5J54Q


Usually that means you don't want to spend money. Which is understandable, it's just that this is something your life depends on. Price cannot be the deciding factor.

A) Reliability
B) Reliability
C) Accuracy
D) Can you shoot it well
E) Power

Price is not on the list, *BUT* that doesn't mean you have to spend a grand on a gun.

It can be hard to find real reliability info because the entire damned industry runs on anecdotes and paid advertising, which is my only real beef with the industry.

I would start by looking at Ruger and Glock, and consider doing some reading about what you really need (capacity, power, recoil, auto vs. revolver). Not all of the differences are what you think they are.

You definitely have to get a little experience - I went and shot a lot of guns before I started buying. By the time I bought one I was pretty conversant with *why* I bought it.

And now I ruin my spiel by saying don't listen to internet gun guy or gun counter guy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:36 AM (bxiXv)

496 Martinez is good for two reasons. (Note I have no idea of her record, etc.)

1) Mexican background. Rubio's Cuban. This shit matters.

2) Switched from Democrat to Republican...can explain this to Latinos.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 12:36 AM (1fvrg)

497 Don't the wheelbarrows for your balls get in the way?

Jeez loueez.
Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:33 AM (9XVgh)

finally, scotch all over the keyboard! and no, I put them on a skateboard

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:36 AM (Z9EHQ)

498 477
esch, you need to come around here more!!! Don't be shy!

Thanks. I tend to be quiet, as my off color sense of humor tends to get me in trouble. And my puns usually inspire violence in others.

But I've lurked since Rathergate pretty much.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:36 AM (9XVgh)

499 An early comment mentioned the devil in passing, Zakn, thus the several allusions to him throughout.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 09, 2012 12:37 AM (nkiQM)

500 445
Do you have a Flickr page showing your work, Beckoning Chasm?


Used to have facebook, but f facebook.

Here's a really, really old version--

http://tinyurl.com/28zd4pd

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 12:37 AM (i0App)

501 Tammy- Not there anymore, just remember them and for a few years they were horrible. Didn't hear much about them this year from family.

Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2012 12:37 AM (Vk6ZI)

502 "It's pretty much what I do."



...uh-huh.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (79EF9)


You might get the joke if you googled Niko Bellic. Dumbass.

Posted by: Adam at November 09, 2012 12:37 AM (/YJYi)

503 Thanks. I tend to be quiet, as my off color sense of humor tends to get me in trouble. And my puns usually inspire violence in others.

But I've lurked since Rathergate pretty much.
Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:36 AM (9XVgh)

you may have some problem with your off-color sense of humor but you would be in even more trouble if it was colored

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:38 AM (Z9EHQ)

504 Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:36 AM (bxiXv)

Congrats on your word count ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 12:40 AM (gh+mp)

505 I was unaware of your petite stature
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (Z9EHQ)


You know, even us taller broads are at a disadvantage up against even the puniest men. I was damn near as tall as the little fucker who pinned me in my truck and tried to rape me in the parking lot, but had he not been so drunk, I'd have never been able to get loose.

I kicked like a mule, because I thought I was gonna die anyway, and I didn't want to die by machete, and thank God he was drunk enough to not be steady enough to withstand my kicks.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:41 AM (2rMmy)

506 503 you may have some problem with your off-color sense of humor but you would be in even more trouble if it was colored

Hmmm. So since most people believe black humor should go the back of the bus, is that racist?

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:41 AM (9XVgh)

507 You know what you do to counter Hispanics voting lib?

You bring in people from other countries that might be more open to GOP ideas.

And you go big immigration - you go too small and the Dems will already be there.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 09, 2012 12:41 AM (1fvrg)

508 apologies, I was unaware of your petite stature

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (Z9EHQ)

NO no no! I want to know how to do this. Are you saying you go out on the street and peruse the weak carriers and remove their "goods"? Sorry, I'm a black and white person and have to have things spelled out to me. If that is your MO could you and like minded people please speed this process up? The Trayvons needs some disciplinin'.
Conversely, if I karried koncealed, would someone be on the hunt for moi?

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:41 AM (lkjWK)

509 Craig Ferguson - Stand Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJ2hD2R22Y
Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (gh+mp)

he is funny.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:42 AM (Z9EHQ)

510
POLITICAL HAT,
Yes, that I do not know. But the Blaze report seems to indicate he was down in palm beach and is now up 300.
Whether the entire 2600 negative margin has been erased, just based on the palm beach count alone, i do not know.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 09, 2012 12:42 AM (TZzO/)

511 Yep. My brushed stainless P85 was the only 9MM that I ever picked up and liked. Since I am a parkerized fan, it had to go. Good weapon. Would be even better in .45ACP.

The P90. Was one of the strongest .45s made, because it was designed for 10mm but only sold in .45. A little bulky for an 8-shot, but a good, solid gun. Never got along with Rugers ergonomically.

Barrettas. Are. Junk.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 12:35 AM (zwaoz)


Gotta call HS on that one, unfortunately. Reliable, accurate, a little bulky and probably too expensive. Like SIGs except SIGs mostly aren't bulky.

I could see how someone would say that if all they ever had was a worn-out spare-parts M9 with 300k rounds through it, though. So, buy new.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:43 AM (bxiXv)

512 Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:36 AM (9XVgh)

Well, quitcher damn lurking! Seems to me you fit right in.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:43 AM (2rMmy)

513 >>>You know, even us taller broads are at a disadvantage up against even the puniest men.
Something I've tried to tell my wife that men are in general *much* stronger than women.

Posted by: 30.06 Contender at November 09, 2012 12:43 AM (GE1+K)

514 398 links to 2 Ulsterman Report stories on voting "anomolies"
http://tinyurl.com/avpgqr6
http://tinyurl.com/c5s6cjr
--------------------------
Thanks for the ulsterman links topher. One of the more frightening passages...

"I said they could steal it. And that is what might have happened. But to pull that off in so many states, would mean they got help. Talking from both sides here. Get it Republicans. And that is scary. "

Hopefully daveinflorida will see these. He should especially look at the last part of the first link where the insider tells of his focus on palm beach, Martin, and st. Lucie.

Posted by: Lara at November 09, 2012 12:43 AM (TgSwQ)

515 Off sock

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 12:44 AM (GE1+K)

516 NO no no! I want to know how to do this. Are you saying you go out on the street and peruse the weak carriers and remove their "goods"? Sorry, I'm a black and white person and have to have things spelled out to me. If that is your MO could you and like minded people please speed this process up? The Trayvons needs some disciplinin'.
Conversely, if I karried koncealed, would someone be on the hunt for moi?
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:41 AM (lkjWK)

well, what I am mostly doing is lying, admittedly in an effort to be funny but lying all the same.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:44 AM (Z9EHQ)

517 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2012 12:37 AM (i0App)

Your work is creepy AND beautiful, love it Surrealism will always continue to intrigue us, if the front page of Lynda.com is any indication.

Posted by: LizLem at November 09, 2012 12:44 AM (8wqqE)

518 I put them on a skateboard
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:36 AM (Z9EHQ)


Does methlab ever get tangled up in them?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:45 AM (2rMmy)

519 Merovign:

It's not that I don't want to spend the money. I don't HAVE it to spend.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. I certainly need to shoot a lot more.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:45 AM (5J54Q)

520 Jesus Tammy. That reminds me of a time I jupmed out of a truck in the middle of bfe and started to sing to myself, these boots are made for walkin . . . glad you got away safe,

Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2012 12:45 AM (Vk6ZI)

521 http://gta.wikia.com/Niko_Bellic

Ah makes more sense now. Never played those.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:45 AM (9XVgh)

522 I think Dave in FL posted those links in the morning news dump thread, Lara. If not, he probably saw them there as he was commenting throughout the thread.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 09, 2012 12:45 AM (nkiQM)

523
Does methlab ever get tangled up in them?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:45 AM (2rMmy)

more often than you wold think and gosh darn it it is not painful.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:46 AM (Z9EHQ)

524 480
Tammy- the Santa Ana winds are horrible. I grew up in SoCal. Couldn't get enough chapstick.

Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2012 12:33 AM

I knew they were imminent because I'd get a nasty sinus headache

Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:47 AM (wwsoB)

525 It's not that I don't want to spend the money. I don't HAVE it to spend.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:45 AM (5J54Q)


And that would explain why you don't want to spend it.

If you have no gun and primarily need it for home defense or can't get a carry permit where you are, always always always look to a shotgun first.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:47 AM (bxiXv)

526 But don't listen to Internet Gun Guy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:48 AM (bxiXv)

527 Shit did we get stomped *again?*

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:48 AM (bxiXv)

528 You know what you do to counter Hispanics voting lib?



You bring in people from other countries that might be more open to GOP ideas.



And you go big immigration - you go too small and the Dems will already be there.



Posted by: Sexypig

That's actually a pretty good idea!

Posted by: cool breeze at November 09, 2012 12:48 AM (A+/8k)

529 Home defense is the reason. I'm not to Let It Burn phase yet, but I think it's better to be prepared.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 09, 2012 12:49 AM (5J54Q)

530 well, what I am mostly doing is lying, admittedly in an effort to be funny but lying all the same.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:44 AM (Z9EHQ)

awwwww. No way. I'm gullible too. Shucks.

Oh yeah and even the puniest man has to have an upper body strength of twice what a woman of equivalent stature has. Guns are the great equalizer.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:50 AM (lkjWK)

531 Oh wow. Old timers are back. Hi y5 and Tami!

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 12:50 AM (LbwgI)

532 Well, quitcher damn lurking! Seems to me you fit right in.

Okey dokey.

The fact I got most of the jokes in that video the other day told me I'm probably hanging out here too much. 8P

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:51 AM (9XVgh)

533 Santa Claus, the titular head of the democrat party, is an old white guy. Go figure....

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 09, 2012 12:52 AM (BVkEs)

534 Ethiopia would be a great choice for expanded immigration efforts. A Christian nation, full of friendly and hard-working people, and under siege from Muslims.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 09, 2012 12:52 AM (RLZvP)

535 If you talk to Vietnam era guys or later they said the 1911 was shit unaccurate generally.

This may be caused by the fact the USA never bought a 1911 after 1945 and they were all wore out in the 60's, 70' and 80's



Posted by: Moron #3 at November 09, 2012 12:53 AM (2CiZb)

536 If you have no gun and primarily need it for home defense or can't get a carry permit where you are, always always always look to a shotgun first.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:47 AM (bxiXv)

In our post hurricane dark ages it was interesting to consider that as we were in ny there was a stong probability that there was next to nothing in the was nothing in the way of meaningful defensive capability in our building. one doorman with a flashlight in the middle of the night is all that was guarding the place. had some gang of something orothers wanted to there is nothing we could have done to repel them once they were inside. no landlines, no cellphones, nothing if we could not manage ourselves.

Fortunately we are in a very highly patrolled neighborhood.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:53 AM (Z9EHQ)

537 I need to get a passport. I understand why its a pain to get one, but damn

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 12:53 AM (LbwgI)

538 Hey Zakn! I waved at you earlier. I though yew wuz ignorifying me.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:54 AM (2rMmy)

539 Two things today:

1. I heard Boehner said Obamacare is the law of the land and it will not be challenged or defunded. If this is the case, the Republicans are dead to me.

2. They're throwing the name of the Governor of New Mexico in the ring for 2016. She's hispanic and a woman. If only she was a lesbian, she'd be a triple threat.

Heard this on the radio: "Now that the election is over, we can go back to hating each other in secret."

Sorry to say I agree with that.

Posted by: shibumi at November 09, 2012 12:54 AM (z63Tr)

540 The fact I got most of the jokes in that video the other day told me I'm probably hanging out here too much.


Hah, we ALL hang out here too much!


Hey, Warbler!!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:55 AM (2rMmy)

541 I wasn't ignoring! I just went out for a smoke

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 12:56 AM (LbwgI)

542 Oh yeah and even the puniest man has to have an upper body strength of twice what a woman of equivalent stature has. Guns are the great equalizer.
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:50 AM (lkjWK)

get a shotgun. petite as you are I suggest a semiauto. Head of to a farm or a range and run a few hundred rounds through it over the course of a few weekends so you are accustomed to the kick and you are good.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:56 AM (Z9EHQ)

543 525
If you have no gun and primarily need it for home defense or can't get a
carry permit where you are, always always always look to a shotgun
first.


Thinking about picking up a 930SPX for home. Looked at the 590 but really like the idea of 8 shells fast.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:56 AM (9XVgh)

544 So last Saturday night, while we were away for the weekend, a violent drunk came up on our porch and attempted to kick the front door down. The neighbors heard the commotion, called 911, and ultimately 5 cop cars and a fire engine had to respond to remove the fellow. The door did not breach because of security precautions we had taken. Had we not have taken those measures, this wacked out stinking drunk would have gained access and destroyed a good portion of the interior of our home.

Had I been home at the time of this random attack, I do believe I would have shot him through the window of the door he was trying to kick in. He's one lucky sob that we were not at home.

But I'm scared. The takers are starting to act.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (lkjWK)

545 I could see how someone would say that if all they ever had was a worn-out spare-parts M9 with 300k rounds through it, though. So, buy new.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 12:43 AM (bxiXv)



I did the turn-in/issue for the unit when we lost the M1911's and got the M9's. Factory fresh. Lot's of problems. Within 3 years, half (33 authorized by MTOE, so roughly 14 -16) had to go on work order for various deadlining problems. Broken firing pin was common. All of them had less than 500 rnds. down the barrel.

Ironically, the M-9 actually fits my hand better than slabsides w/o Pachmeyers (due to the double stack mag no doubt).



Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (zwaoz)

546 #539: Orangina could save the party by stepping down and endorsing someone who has a little fight in him (or her) to take his place as Speaker.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (RLZvP)

547 one doorman with a flashlight in the middle of the night is all that was guarding the place.

Nonsense, they had you, didn't they? I have it on excellent authority that you had the situation well in hand, and that very few spankings had to be administered.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (2rMmy)

548 And holy balls its expensive for a passport

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (LbwgI)

549 Oh yeah and even the puniest man has to have an upper body strength of
twice what a woman of equivalent stature has. Guns are the great
equalizer.

If you ever get castigated by a lib for that view, you can tell it/them that Eleanor Roosevelt and a female buddy (I don't know if it was her lesbian lover or not) thought that too and armed themselves for a tour of the South they went on. I think NRO had a short piece about it but you could probably find it through Google if you poke around.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 09, 2012 12:58 AM (nkiQM)

550 In our post hurricane dark ages it was interesting to consider that as we were in ny there was a stong probability that there was next to nothing in the was nothing in the way of meaningful defensive capability in our building. one doorman with a flashlight in the middle of the night is all that was guarding the place. had some gang of something orothers wanted to there is nothing we could have done to repel them once they were inside. no landlines, no cellphones, nothing if we could not manage ourselves.


Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:53 AM (Z9EHQ)


this 100% sucks ass.

sucks to be unarmed



Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 12:58 AM (2CiZb)

551 Thinking about picking up a 930SPX for home. Looked at the 590 but really like the idea of 8 shells fast.
Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:56 AM (9XVgh)


It is not necessarily a primary concern but it is easier to run a semi auto if you are injured

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:58 AM (Z9EHQ)

552 Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 12:58 AM (Z9EHQ)

Yeah that thought crossed my mind as well.

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 01:01 AM (9XVgh)

553 But I'm scared. The takers are starting to act.
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (lkjWK)



Shotgun. Only issue is the kick, but under those circumstances, I doubt you'd even feel it for an hour or so. You'll notice the bruise later, though.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:01 AM (2rMmy)

554 get a shotgun. petite as you are I suggest a semiauto
_________
There is such a thing as a semi auto shotgun?

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:01 AM (lkjWK)

555 Nonsense, they had you, didn't they? I have it on excellent authority that you had the situation well in hand, and that very few spankings had to be administered.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (2rMmy)

well there was that. the methlab and I and a couple of other guys, that did not grow up in ny, had some plans and augmented the night watch once we learned what was in place but it was still not a good solution for a bunch of gangsters. Fortunately, they had looting the islands to occupy themselves with.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:03 AM (Z9EHQ)

556 I did the turn-in/issue for the unit when we lost the M1911's and got the M9's. Factory fresh. Lot's of problems. Within 3 years, half (33 authorized by MTOE, so roughly 14 -16) had to go on work order for various deadlining problems. Broken firing pin was common. All of them had less than 500 rnds. down the barrel.

Ironically, the M-9 actually fits my hand better than slabsides w/o Pachmeyers (due to the double stack mag no doubt).



Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (zwaoz)


amazing, I've got 8000 rounds or so through a M92 with no issues other than 2 bad mags

Posted by: Moron #3 at November 09, 2012 01:03 AM (2CiZb)

557 Mug the muggers and take their shit. There's spots on Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando where you could fill the back of a pickup with the take from one good night.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM


A good scene from an otherwise shitty movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ09dKjOUvw

Posted by: otho at November 09, 2012 01:03 AM (yBF/9)

558 >>>There is such a thing as a semi auto shotgun

Oh yes many many models

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:04 AM (GE1+K)

559 I think we probably won't hit the Dark Ages 2.0 so soon. Think 10 years of Stagflation in Japan.

It is VERY BAD. The expression "Please excuse the unavoidable delay..." meant that someone had jumped in front of the subway/train.

But the cities themselves, not burning to the ground.

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 01:04 AM (gh+mp)

560 522- thanks Andy. I'm glad to know daveinflorida has most likely seen these.

If you look at drudge right now he links to a CBS story of how shell shocked Romney was by the actual numbers. No campaign is that wrong with their internal numbers. No way are the numbers kosher especially in Florida. I hate to say this or feel this way, because you feel like you're entering black helicopter territory just because we lost. I don't want to be that person, but I lived in Florida and have family there now in Broward. Everyone there absolutely would have bet Florida was Romney's.

Posted by: Lara at November 09, 2012 01:05 AM (TgSwQ)

561 There is such a thing as a semi auto shotgun?
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:01 AM (lkjWK)

yep. google will explain it faster than I will be able to type one.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:05 AM (Z9EHQ)

562 I did the turn-in/issue for the unit when we lost the M1911's and got the M9's. Factory fresh. Lot's of problems. Within 3 years, half (33 authorized by MTOE, so roughly 14 -16) had to go on work order for various deadlining problems. Broken firing pin was common. All of them had less than 500 rnds. down the barrel.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 09, 2012 12:57 AM (zwaoz)


They fucked up bad. Exact opposite of my experience with the civilian guns - the ones that always work and you can basically treat them like an appliance.

Bit of an ass to detail strip, but mostly you don't have to do that. Trigger return spring was not the best design, I replaced that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 01:07 AM (bxiXv)

563 Guess I'm a wuss. Looking for a shotgun, but only have a 38 special with full metal jacket right now. Although the price was right. Guess I'll have to up the ante.

Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2012 01:07 AM (Vk6ZI)

564 "1) Mexican background. Rubio's Cuban. This shit matters."

Roger fucking wilco.

The long support by the Cuban diaspora for the GOP has a lot of Republicans fondly thinking that Cuban == broadly representative of Hispanics in America. The Mexicans I've talked to don't think that way AT ALL. In fact, there is some serious resentment about Cubans.

Then within the Mex community there are some really fierce regional rivalries. Saw a parking lot where Sinaloa and Oaxaca had got into it over something late on a Saturday night. You would not imagine how much blood was on the pavement. I thought it was a location shoot for a direct to video horror movie until I saw the crime scene techs taping it off.

Then there are the issues between Mexicans and Guatemalans, Mexicans and Salvadoreans, Guatemalans and Salvadoreans, and... shit oh dear. We are really uncorking a mess.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 01:08 AM (ymG7s)

565 I hate to say this or feel this way, because you feel like you're entering black helicopter territory just because we lost. I don't want to be that person,

Posted by: Lara at November 09, 2012 01:05 AM (TgSwQ)


No one wants to be that person, which is why they get away with massive vote fraud. We should have prisons full now if the law meant anything.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 01:08 AM (bxiXv)

566 But the cities themselves, not burning to the ground.
Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 01:04 AM (gh+mp)


But they are very decent people; they'd never riot or destroy anything that wasn't theirs to destroy.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:09 AM (2rMmy)

567 561
There is such a thing as a semi auto shotgun?

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:01 AM (lkjWK)



yep. google will explain it faster than I will be able to type one.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:05 AM (Z9EHQ)

REally? You and moose, thanks. this is why I come here. I've had enough. These f*er's are trying to come through my front door. I've read enough about the chinese cultural revolution in China, and we're going through our own version in the immediate future. They will. not. prevail.Cool. Semi auto shotgun. Gets me some.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:10 AM (lkjWK)

568 But they are very decent people; they'd never riot or destroy anything that wasn't theirs to destroy.

But then again, many on our side of the ocean burn down their own neighborhoods ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (gh+mp)

569 We are really uncorking a mess.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 01:08 AM (ymG7s)


True enough, but they WILL all vote Dem.


What scares me is the thought of the black and Hispanic gang wars getting even worse, if that's even possible and I'm sure it is.


Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (2rMmy)

570 My back up / broken arrow plan was calling MissTammy and screaming broken arrow into my cellphone or typing it here - not a good plan for a no electricity scenario.

some bastard on the condo board even cut the string on my soup can for violating some code.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (Z9EHQ)

571 amazing, I've got 8000 rounds or so through a M92 with no issues other than 2 bad mags

Posted by: Moron #3 at November 09, 2012 01:03 AM (2CiZb)


I used to frequent a range that had a 92 with over 100,000 and no repairs. They also had a Para Ordnance with 200,000 and a slightly chipped front sight from being dropped, and I saw it bump-fired (full-auto) repeatedly, which is very abusive.

That's why I bought my Para.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 01:12 AM (bxiXv)

572 REally? You and moose, thanks. this is why I come here. I've had enough. These f*er's are trying to come through my front door. I've read enough about the chinese cultural revolution in China, and we're going through our own version in the immediate future. They will. not. prevail.Cool. Semi auto shotgun. Gets me some.
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:10 AM (lkjWK)

Get something that holds eight shells.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:12 AM (Z9EHQ)

573 some bastard on the condo board even cut the string on my soup can for violating some code.


Okay, that's fuckin funny.

Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2012 01:13 AM (Vk6ZI)

574 But then again, many on our side of the ocean burn down their own neighborhoods ...
Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (gh+mp)



Exactly my point! And while I don't thinkt here is going tobe any widespread anarchy, I do think there will be some boldness in the criminal element with regards to trying to get away with things here. If I still lived in the city, I'd buckle up for a bumpy ride.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:14 AM (2rMmy)

575 Ah makes more sense now. Never played those.


Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 12:45 AM (9XVgh)
Yeah, my brother got it just to mess around with the sandbox aspects. I "discovered" the actual plot to the game. Which was important because he couldn't use his all guns cheat codes until after you get the character's cell phone a couple of missions into the game.But yeah, in game, it's far more entertaining to restock ammo by jacking a police car, using the scanner to locate the crime in progress, and 'busting' the perps.

Posted by: Methos at November 09, 2012 01:15 AM (hO9ad)

576 What scares me is the thought of the black and
Hispanic gang wars getting even worse, if that's even possible and I'm
sure it is.







Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (2rMmy)


I hope they all do grenade launchers at 5 paces.

Posted by: Berserker at November 09, 2012 01:15 AM (FMbng)

577 >>>Get something that holds eight shells

Remember 12 ga slugs are about 70 caliber. Think of it as a semi-automatic cannon.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:16 AM (GE1+K)

578 I've read enough about the chinese cultural revolution in China,

___

Gah. redundant. Sorry for the gack.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:16 AM (lkjWK)

579 some bastard on the condo board even cut the string on my soup can for violating some code.
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (Z9EHQ)


And here I blaming it on these honked up Ozarkian Wal-Mart brand soup cans.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:16 AM (2rMmy)

580 There is such a thing as a semi auto shotgun?


Oh yea.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GUN-1919

Posted by: Weirddave at November 09, 2012 01:16 AM (ZSnCv)

581 Tammy- the Santa Ana winds are horrible. I grew up in SoCal. Couldn't get enough chapstick.



Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2012 12:33 AM

I knew they were imminent because I'd get a nasty sinus headache



Posted by: kbdabear at November 09, 2012 12:47 AM (wwsoB)
After a couple days of running in that last week I am sick as a dog now.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 09, 2012 01:16 AM (NzBQO)

582 I don't want to be that person, but I lived in Florida and have family there now in Broward. Everyone there absolutely would have bet Florida was Romney's.
Posted by: Lara at November 09, 2012 01:05 AM (TgSwQ)

Of course they cheated: Chicago Way writ large. Romney's a numbers guy. He knows they cheated. He conceded without demanding a recount in the highly contested swing states for what he thought was the good of the nation, andthe Democrats banked on his love of country to pull it off. The big fear, always unspoken publicly, is that we'll start shooting each other. The American Civil War was a bloodbath, and it was fought with black powder and bayonets. Imagine what it would be like now.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 01:17 AM (vtiE6)

583 What scares me is the thought of the black and
Hispanic gang wars getting even worse, if that's even possible and I'm
sure it is.







Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (2rMmy)


I hope they all do grenade launchers at 5 paces.
Posted by: Berserker at November 09, 2012 01:15 AM (FMbng)

see, the difference between a Romney and Obama government is Obama is sending guns to the mexican gangs, Romney would have given them to our gangs. simple problem simple solution.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:17 AM (Z9EHQ)

584 I hope they all do grenade launchers at 5 paces.
Posted by: Berserker at November 09, 2012 01:15 AM (FMbng)



You know, you're right, that'd solve several problems all at once, wouldn't it???

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:17 AM (2rMmy)

585
Remember 12 ga slugs are about 70 caliber. Think of it as a semi-automatic cannon.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:16 AM (GE1+K)

Indeed

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:18 AM (Z9EHQ)

586 Think of it as a semi-automatic cannon.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:16 AM (GE1+K)


And prepare yourself mentally for the mess.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:19 AM (2rMmy)

587 And here I blaming it on these honked up Ozarkian Wal-Mart brand soup cans.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:16 AM (2rMmy)

nope. it was my hippie liberal neighbors. incidentally, they hate the methlab.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:19 AM (Z9EHQ)

588 semi-auto shotguns to look into

Remington 1100
Benelli M4
Benelli M2
FNH SLP
Winchester X3

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:19 AM (2CiZb)

589 Tomorrow, I will spoil you all on what the soft left really wants to accomplish. Right now, I need some akahol.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 01:20 AM (8/slz)

590 And prepare yourself mentally for the mess.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:19 AM (2rMmy)

you are going to need someone from stanley steemer for a cleanup afterwards.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:20 AM (Z9EHQ)

591 Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 01:20 AM (8/slz)

TEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:21 AM (2rMmy)

592 Interesting thing about the last link I posted. The price of the shotgun is up $50 in the last 2 days.

Posted by: Weirddave at November 09, 2012 01:21 AM (ZSnCv)

593 Everybody's talking shotguns for home defense. Me, I'll stick with a pistol. One hand needs to be free.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 01:21 AM (vtiE6)

594 incidentally, they hate the methlab.
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:19 AM (Z9EHQ)

Dog haters in general? I thought Libs were at least animal lovers as a rule.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:22 AM (2rMmy)

595 I think we probably won't hit the Dark Ages 2.0 so soon. Think 10 years of Stagflation in Japan.

Posted by: Adriane

A lot closer to 20, I think.

On the other hand, Greece is in its death throes a mere 11 years after adopting the euro.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 09, 2012 01:23 AM (A+/8k)

596 Mossberg sa 209 20gauge semi auto. heh. Will need a new addition to the arsenal. Thx for the tips, morons.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:24 AM (lkjWK)

597 Factory fresh. Lot's of problems.

The first batch is known to have had issues. Slide failures being the most dramatic.

I put thousands of rounds through civie 92F and 92FS though with zero failures to fire, and zero feed problems. The things ate everything from the hottest +P+ subgun ammo to nasty heavy 147gr hollow point subsonic stuff for suppressors.

I always loaded the mags light one or two rounds though which probably helped.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 09, 2012 01:24 AM (6pP0/)

598 Dog haters in general? I thought Libs were at least animal lovers as a rule.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:22 AM (2rMmy)

love the idea of me rescuing the methlab, hate the inconvenience of having a methlab around. joke is on them though, methlab has had her shots but I have not had mine.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:24 AM (Z9EHQ)

599 I don't like mathlabs, too dang smart


Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:24 AM (2CiZb)

600 troyriser, I think us chicks need full-stop power. I have seen too many videos of jacked-up thugs still running after being shot with handguns.


Point blank from a 12 gauge is not something you run away from.

Again, chick perspective here.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:25 AM (2rMmy)

601 Posted by: Gary Johnson at November 09, 2012 01:22 AM (m6kj5)

Lots of homoerotic imagery going on there, Gary. Something you need to get off your chest? We're listening. We promise not to judge.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 01:25 AM (vtiE6)

602 To all the petite ladies out there, I shoot a .38 caliber with very good accuracy and a .20 gauge shotgun also. The .38 doesn't kick up as much, so more accuracy for shooting at the center mass. and the 20 gauge doesn't leave big bruises on my shoulder. I know the guys will say not enough stopping power, but I have 18 rounds, with the .38 with two reloaders I am very fast at, and my 20 gauge has 7 rounds I can load. So, just PRACTICE practice practice, and you can have self defense without pain.

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 01:26 AM (HUTO5)

603 >>>So, just PRACTICE practice practice, and you can have self defense without pain.

Um 12ga semis don't kick that much. Both my mom and my wife shoot them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:29 AM (GE1+K)

604 fyi, spam is the more calorie dense than anything else I was able to find in the grocery store.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:29 AM (Z9EHQ)

605 Ahhh!

Holed up in my bedroom all day yesterday, a complete wreck, watched 10 straight episodes of "The Good Wife", which I found on my DVR.

Would'nt even TALK to my Dad but through a closed door, so depressed.

Made a very conspicuous absence at the Q4 Corporate Blowout and Softball Thingee...

(Just COULD NOT even drive up there!)

Had to go back out and sell TeeVee & Intarwebz, Door to Door, which is wot I do...

Met a very lovely 90yr old lady today. Helped her to figure out her remote controll & she noticed that I noticed that her TV is set to Fox News.

She feels like I brightened her day, just getting to talk to someone "who feels the same way".

I know that my day was brightened.

At best, D2D can be boring, and lonely. Sometimes it can be downright dispiriting.

Prolly spent too much time with her (professionally speaking) but isn't it strange?

How much comfort we can take, in a darkish hour just by randomly meeting a kindred soul?

I would never, do not ever let my politics enter into a conversation when I am on company time but she started it!

So glad to have met her.

So happy to "have given me some young companionship when feeling so far away from my son!"

Funny, huh?

I was in no condition to do my job effectively (too raw) but had to get out there anyway.

How fortuitous that I met with all good-natured people until I met with some spark, who was a balm to my soul.

Posted by: Deety at November 09, 2012 01:31 AM (QG3g9)

606 troyriser, I think us chicks need full-stop power. I have seen too many videos of jacked-up thugs still running after being shot with handguns. Point blank from a 12 gauge is not something you run away from. Again, chick perspective here.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:25 AM (2rMmy)

Try a commie surplus 7.62 x 25 Tokarev pistol: very inexpensive, very reliable, and very manageable, with less recoil than a 1911 and a caliber on par with .38 Super or .357 Sig. I promise the bad guy won't run far.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 01:31 AM (vtiE6)

607 thx jake in ID for the additional recommendations. New toy. Seems pricey though but likely a great self defense home defense weapon.

Whose the freak (m6kj5)? Came in and shit all over Ace's carpet. Gauche.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:31 AM (lkjWK)

608 >>>spam is the more calorie dense than anything else I was able to find in the grocery store.

They say diamond is the densest form of carbon too. Seems they get there the same way

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:32 AM (GE1+K)

609 OK Mike the Moose nit pic - I was trying to make it easier for newbie shooters. I get it - I shoot both, but the 20 gauge does have a lot less kick, yes?

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 01:32 AM (HUTO5)

610 Posted by: Deety at November 09, 2012 01:31 AM (QG3g9)

Always great to have you here deety! God knows we need the like-minded fellowship now more than ever.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:33 AM (2rMmy)

611 On the other hand, Greece is in its death throes a mere 11 years after adopting the euro.

It's all the baklava and ouzo ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 01:33 AM (gh+mp)

612 >>>How fortuitous that I met with all good-natured people until I met with some spark, who was a balm to my soul.

Yes how....lucky....just happened to be when you really needed it. Funny coincidence eh?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:34 AM (GE1+K)

613 Dang, I missed the freak? Maet is on it tonight!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:34 AM (2rMmy)

614 thx jake in ID for the additional recommendations. New toy. Seems pricey though but likely a great self defense home defense weapon.

Whose the freak (m6kj5)? Came in and shit all over Ace's carpet. Gauche.
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:31 AM (lkjWK)

I am very averse to paying more than you have to for anything but you should make an effort to get a good gun. Some of the benellii's are pricey for basic home defense but I would not go for anything less than a mossberg or remington. I am a remington fan - http://www.remington.com/en/products/firearms/shotguns/model-1100/model-1100-tac-4.aspx

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:35 AM (Z9EHQ)

615 thx jake in ID for the additional recommendations. New toy. Seems pricey though but likely a great self defense home defense weapon.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:31 AM (lkjWK)

Those I listed are all 3gun competition shotguns that have minimal jamming issues

Nordic Components makes a magazine extension that depending on your set up you can have a 12 +1 shotgun.
Cost is $100 or so for the mag extension.





Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:36 AM (2CiZb)

616 >>>How fortuitous that I met with all good-natured people until I met with some spark, who was a balm to my soul.

Well my 20 double kicks harder than any 12 semi I've ever shot. But yes between a 20 semi and a 12 semi the 20 kicks a little, not a lot, a little less.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:37 AM (GE1+K)

617 Yay! Maet took his new semi auto 12 gauge to the freak! Blammo!

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:37 AM (lkjWK)

618 WTF? naming winter storms now? ooooooh Athena. what a bunch of crap. a little EMP attack might just do this country good. assuming you have plenty of food and ammo.

Posted by: rockhead at November 09, 2012 01:37 AM (ZMHGo)

619 Hola Moar-on and 'ettes. Friday for moi, weekend begins in 6.5 hours.

Posted by: zeera at November 09, 2012 01:37 AM (3dXwx)

620 >>>613 Dang, I missed the freak? Maet is on it tonight!

He got troll busted in the blink of an eye

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:38 AM (GE1+K)

621 Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:35 AM (Z9EHQ)


The Benelli M4 is an upgrade for the military. The M2 won't work with the extra weight of lights etc. mounted on it

M2=Inertia operated
M4= Gass operated


Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:40 AM (2CiZb)

622 Hola, zeera!


I think I shall call it a night. Thank you all, as always. for much fun. It's good to know we can still enjoy this ONT thing, isn't it??

Sleep sweet, y'all!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 09, 2012 01:41 AM (2rMmy)

623 609 OK Mike the Moose nit pic - I was trying to make it easier for newbie shooters. I get it - I shoot both, but the 20 gauge does have a lot less kick, yes?
Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 01:32 AM (HUTO5)


Don't set people up with expectations that they'll fail.

Recoil sensitivity has little to do with gender and not much to do with size. It's a little talent and a lot training. And a lot expectations.

I've known 90-lb women who use big rifles and 12-gauge pumps and .357 snubbies.

Everyone needs to get a feel for what their limits are and *then* make a decision, not just start with something less powerful or common.

That doesn't mean you take a newbie, give them a double-barrel and stand back and laugh, but don't assume because someone is new or a lady that they can't handle it.

Which is why you need to shoot guns first, then choose one to buy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 01:41 AM (bxiXv)

624 zeera, long time no see. It is friday for me as well!

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 01:41 AM (LbwgI)

625 So for a small woman, 12 gauge or 20 gauge semi auto? Moose is saying not much diff in recoil in a semi. Stopping power? what is the difference from the small shooters perspective?

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:41 AM (lkjWK)

626 The Benelli M4 is an upgrade for the military. The M2 won't work with the extra weight of lights etc. mounted on it

M2=Inertia operated
M4= Gass operated


Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:40 AM (2CiZb)

nothing I typed was intended as a criticism. I am fond of both of them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:42 AM (Z9EHQ)

627 night Miss Tammy

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:43 AM (Z9EHQ)

628 12 or 20 guage with #4 shot to buckshot or slugs will do the job with a good hit.


Remember you can miss with a shotgun


Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:43 AM (2CiZb)

629 Night Miss T

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 01:44 AM (LbwgI)

630 Which is why you need to shoot guns first, then choose one to buy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 01:41 AM (bxiXv)

Who provides this service? We just take our guns out to the sand pit and shoot what we got available. Mostly inherited from people who lost them in *ahem* boating accidents. Do most gun ranges have an array of semi auto shotguns to test?

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:45 AM (lkjWK)

631 Good night, Miss Tammy,

Better tomorrows...

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 01:45 AM (gh+mp)

632 'Nite Tammy. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2012 01:46 AM (Vk6ZI)

633 So for a small woman, 12 gauge or 20 gauge semi auto? Moose is saying not much diff in recoil in a semi. Stopping power? what is the difference from the small shooters perspective?
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:41 AM (lkjWK)

you should really go to a range or find some way to shoot them before you decide. If you are petite, non-athletic you may be better off with something smaller. I have seen petite women hauling a 12 gauge through crp land all day and hitting birds all day. However, if you find a 12 gauge too much you should get something smaller since it is silly to get something you cannot employ effectively.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:46 AM (Z9EHQ)

634 nothing I typed was intended as a criticism. I am fond of both of them.
Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:42 AM (Z9EHQ)

no worries, they cost alot of $$, work good though

I don't have a Benelli yet

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:47 AM (2CiZb)

635 I don't have a Benelli yet

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:47 AM (2CiZb)

I saw a story while in the gym this evening; stationary bike. charlie sheen apparently has a super 90. winning!

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:49 AM (Z9EHQ)

636 Ok, here goes. Keep in mind while you folks think I'm a lefty, I've never supported a bond issue or tax increase and always supported tax decreases. I'm pro-gun. I'm anti-late stage abortion. I also ridicule peak oil every chance I get. So here goes.

The soft left's (not the hard left - think Menschevik v. Bolshevik) ultimate goal is "fairness" -- no one should be able to have a superior quality of life because they have more $ (except special people -- actors, musicians, etc.). It's not fair that Romney can afford a horse for his wife's MS but most MS people can't. The idea, then, is to make it nearly impossible to get rich and to transfer the tax money that causes that, to poorer people, not so much in direct $ transfers, but in free stuff. Basically, anyone competent enough to hold a government job (which is basically welfare for incompetents) can expect a lower middle class lifestyle. That's where they want to go. So, they'll make all income -- whether wages or investments -- taxable as income and then raise taxes excessively above $250K. (I think $250K counts as upper middle class in S.F. and Manhattan, hence the cutoff.) It's not 100%, but it'll be brutal. Of course, they expect the same economic growth under a more dynamic system, but they'll learn the hard way. In short, it's $ envy, and if the masses can't have what the rich have, then the rich can't either. Sure, they want their abortion, birth control pills, and cannabis, but that's small potatoes. I base this on discussions with a lot of fairly well educated Dems, some even in the sciences. They simply have no clue what money is, how economics works, etc. They think they can engineer a system that will make almost everyone middle class.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 01:50 AM (8/slz)

637 Who provides this service? We just take our guns out to the sand pit and shoot what we got available. Mostly inherited from people who lost them in *ahem* boating accidents. Do most gun ranges have an array of semi auto shotguns to test?

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:45 AM (lkjWK)


Some ranges do. Join a club, It is good to have Gun Buddies. I let people do that.

Re: 12 vs 20 - how do I put this. It is not simple. Most 20 ga guns are lighter than 12 ga guns, so *per ft. lb energy* the recoil will be greater with the 20 ga - but the 12 ga has 50%+ more energy so it will actually have more recoil in absolute terms.

What they mean by saying it has more but not that much more.

I think it's worth getting the 12ga because it's more powerful, more common, will not cost more.

But you should shoot the 20 ga first,. If it's a bear, you won't like the 12 ga.

AND remember you can get things like Hornady's Light Tactical loads that have decent power but are designed to reduce recoil. You will find a greater variety of types of ammunition in 12 ga but if what you want is in 20 who cares?

Unfortunately there is so much mythology about guns and they don't teach the subject (or physics from what I can tell) in school anymore.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 01:51 AM (bxiXv)

638 Ok I get it. Because I am a lady and prefer a 20 gauge shotgun semi to my husband's 12 gauge I should not tell expectations to men on which one I prefer to shoot. Come on guys, it's a small ladies perspective. Don't get all judgemental on me. I can shoot most anything you hand me, I was trying to encourage small ladies to not be afraid of shooting. I have taught a lot of non shooters to not be afraid and to understand gun safety. I also have a niece who outshoots most of the guys at skeet shooting. and who do you think taught her? I was just putting my two cents in.

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 01:52 AM (HUTO5)

639 The GEICO Insurance guy riding around in the boat dispensing money to all the dimwits is really TFG.

Posted by: samsom at November 09, 2012 01:52 AM (AODuP)

640 Yea, but it will just make everyone poor. Sometimes I wish we still had communist countries around to point at and go, look at that bullshit. You want that here?

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 01:53 AM (LbwgI)

641 Hornady,

http://www.hornady.com/store/410-Critical-Defense/

sigh

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:54 AM (Z9EHQ)

642 >>>So for a small woman, 12 gauge or 20 gauge semi auto?

I simply don't know. I'd have to look at you holding the weapon to see if its a good fit. You might as well be asking me to suggest dress sizes and I've never seen you.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 01:54 AM (GE1+K)

643 Yes, Mike!

Funny coincidence how good things just happen to me, just when I need it!

Even when I don't know what exactly it is I needed, until it happens?

(Although, the main honcho who came into town this week, for the Big Blowout, is not best pleased by my fucking absentee antics last night. As he should not be.)

Posted by: Deety at November 09, 2012 01:54 AM (QG3g9)

644 If you are petite, non-athletic you may be better off with something smaller.
_______
Athletic. Backcountry skier. Thinking of carrying now in the backcountry because of the wolf packs that are exploding all over the NI panhandle. Have been coming across fresh elk kill in our regular routes.

So we've got a couple problems: Live in inner city and methheads breaking down our doors, and when we go back country, running across wolfpacks. But rifles are harder for me to handle because ..............upper body strength. And weight.
Backcountry is all about minimizing weight. Much to ponder here.

Thx morons for all the free expert advice. I've advanced my knowledge tonight because of your graciousness.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:54 AM (lkjWK)

645 I was just putting my two cents in.
Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 01:52 AM (HUTO5)


no judgement here

Alot of men are recoil sensative, most won't admit it.

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 01:55 AM (2CiZb)

646 They think they can engineer a system that will make almost everyone middle class.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 01:50 AM (8/slz)


My college polysci teacher wanted to go back to the 96% tax rates of WWII. I was brutal to the poor ass in class, I'm sure that helped.

They think that you don't need exceptional people in society, everything will be invented and made and huge projects built and huge employers started by people who don't expect rewards to cover their risk, and somehow be paid for without investors.

Magical thinking.

And then, when it doesn;t work, they start killing peasants, *as usual*.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 01:57 AM (bxiXv)

647 Do most gun ranges have an array of semi auto shotguns to test?
Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:45 AM (lkjWK)

Do your homework before going to a range. I'm blessed, living very close to a military base which happens to have an outdoor civilian range with both shotgun/trap shooting and rifle and pistol lanes, and yes, they furnish rental guns of various types and calibers, but that's a rarity, especially where shotgun shooting is concerned.

If you're buying a shotgun, I strongly recommend buying one with a full shoulderstock and not one ofthose tacti-cool pistol-grip types. Yeah, the cut-off pistol grip style looks formidable and very action hero, but they're a bear to shoot accurately. And yes, you do need to actually aim a shotgun. The shot pattern is very tight at ranges up to about 25 yards, requiring a semblance of marksmanship. They're scatter guns, all right, but they don't scatter that much.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 01:57 AM (vtiE6)

648 Athletic. Backcountry skier. Thinking of carrying now in the backcountry because of the wolf packs that are exploding all over the NI panhandle. Have been coming across fresh elk kill in our regular routes.

So we've got a couple problems: Live in inner city and methheads breaking down our doors, and when we go back country, running across wolfpacks. But rifles are harder for me to handle because ..............upper body strength. And weight.
Backcountry is all about minimizing weight. Much to ponder here.

Thx morons for all the free expert advice. I've advanced my knowledge tonight because of your graciousness.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:54 AM (lkjWK)

you should have an ablility to handle one but it is better to try before you buy. It is not all that hard for one to get ahold of a 12 gauge for some practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5KiLlPqBPQ

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 01:58 AM (Z9EHQ)

649 Don't get all judgemental on me.

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 01:52 AM (HUTO5)


I'm just frustrated because of people running around telling people what they can't handle without knowing.

Also, how is my saying "don't be judgemental" judgemental?

We definitely appear to be two people using the same words but speaking different languages.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:00 AM (bxiXv)

650 What was the bomb sight that cost as much as The Manhattan Project, but didn't really work.

I remember reading about it in War made new

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 02:01 AM (LbwgI)

651 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z-geGaj6fU&feature=related

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 02:01 AM (Z9EHQ)

652 Man maet is fast. I don't even think the pixels were dry on that one.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 02:02 AM (GE1+K)

653 of the wolf packs that are exploding all over the NI panhandle.


Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:54 AM (lkjWK)

where is 'NI' and its panhandle ?






Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:02 AM (2CiZb)

654 Posted by: Gary Johnson at November 09, 2012 02:01 AM (m6kj5)

You can come out of the closet, Gary. Everyone knows already. Be free.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:03 AM (vtiE6)

655 Thanks, Maet!

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 02:03 AM (gh+mp)

656 Oh, I routinely crush people when they want to go back to the 50's on tax rates - 90% being on $400,000. One thing they don't understand is that you cannot simply "adjust for inflation". Adjusting for inflation, $400,000 was a much, much bigger chunk of change than it is today. Why? There just wasn't as large an economy -- space buffs will get the metaphor of the expanding universe. When I add in that women didn't really factor into the workforce (neither did blacks or Hispanics in any meaningful sense), few environmental or labor controls, etc., they shut up real fast.

Why do I know more than most educated people I know? Because they know fantasy and sci-fi whilst I know jack about Star Wars or Tolkien, but I do know about history and economics.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2012 02:04 AM (8/slz)

657 Zakn, do you have an honest-to-God weekend to call your own? No 'opportunites' to come in to work? If so, sweet!

Posted by: zeera at November 09, 2012 02:05 AM (3dXwx)

658 Thx morons for all the free expert advice. I've advanced my knowledge tonight because of your graciousness.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:54 AM (lkjWK)


Hand size?

Small hands: 8-shot .357, ported, stainless. Good for rough weather, gets wet, porting reduces recoil, good for medium-sized animals. Small grips.

Large hands (long fingers): Glock 20C. 10mm auto more powerful than .357 and more rounds (15 or 10 depending on your laws), less recoil, plenty for medium sized animals. Can rust but mostly doesn't care about weather. Can have slide plated with nickel but is generally rust-resistant as is.

10mm is a less common cartridge and you have to be careful because they sell "weak" ones ina lot of places (the "FBI load"). Recoil is not bad on full-power loads, especially with a ported Glock. But it beats common semi-auto cartridges hands-down, especially against animals.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:06 AM (bxiXv)

659 Yep, full weekend off. I'm not working any non-forced OT anymore. I'm not giving them the tax money.

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 02:07 AM (LbwgI)

660 Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 01:52 AM (HUTO5)

I think you've misinterpreted. I see nothing but support coming out of the shooting regulars, Jake, Merov, Yankee Troy... I need your advice too.

We're all gonna have to fight. Your perspective is specific and necessary because of our lady parts (heh) and we need you to chime in often!

Bedtime calls! Sweet dreams, all.

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 02:07 AM (lkjWK)

661 Driving towards the number....

Posted by: zeera at November 09, 2012 02:08 AM (3dXwx)

662 10mm is a less common cartridge and you have to be careful because they sell "weak" ones ina lot of places

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:06 AM (bxiXv)

Yes, check this, alot of 10mm factory is very similar to .40S&W

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:08 AM (2CiZb)

663 "Man maet is fast. I don't even think the pixels were dry on that one."

apparently, after the hash is entered into the trollbusting script, the comments are deleted automatically...it just takes a couple of seconds for it to happen.

so he just has to put the hash in the first time. at least that's how ace described it.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 09, 2012 02:08 AM (79EF9)

664 Yeah I'm out to.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 09, 2012 02:09 AM (GE1+K)

665 OK then

Posted by: zeera at November 09, 2012 02:09 AM (3dXwx)

666 snipe

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 02:10 AM (LbwgI)

667 Nice pickoff.

Posted by: zeera at November 09, 2012 02:10 AM (3dXwx)

668 Derp?

Posted by: esch at November 09, 2012 02:11 AM (9XVgh)

669 Gotta NaNo. BBL

Posted by: zeera at November 09, 2012 02:11 AM (3dXwx)

670 night everyone.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 09, 2012 02:11 AM (Z9EHQ)

671 655 Thanks, Maet!
Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 02:03 AM (gh+mp)


I just woke up so don't thank me, thank Mr. TB3K. :-)

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 09, 2012 02:12 AM (uyPho)

672 10mm is a less common cartridge and you have to be careful because they sell "weak" ones ina lot of places (the "FBI load"). Recoil is not bad on full-power loads, especially with a ported Glock. But it beats common semi-auto cartridges hands-down, especially against animals.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:06 AM (bxiXv)

The 10mm never really caught on for no reason I can fathom; I think it's a solid caliber. Afriend of mine let me shoot his once--a chromed-out lookingEA Witness. I kidded him about his pimp gun but enjoyed shooting it immensely. Ammo's expensive, though.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:12 AM (vtiE6)

673 Hand size?



Small hands: 8-shot .357, ported, stainless. Good for rough weather,
gets wet, porting reduces recoil, good for medium-sized animals.

Got a .357. 6 shooting revolver. w/ bear loads. That is the likely weapon we'll start taking. Still need the shotgun for home self defense and all your info will be acted upon immediately. No time to waste. Geez. Such a newbie but with access to a variety of options. I think I'll make this my new sporting obsession.
Night all!

Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 02:14 AM (lkjWK)

674 of the wolf packs that are exploding all over the NI panhandle.


Posted by: Derak at November 09, 2012 01:54 AM (lkjWK)

where is 'NI' and its panhandle ?



help, need info on this???


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Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:15 AM (2CiZb)

675 I just woke up so don't thank me, thank Mr. TB3K. :-)

but if you hadn't created this lovely thread to begin with ....

Still.

The eyes are beginning to cross themselves ...

Good night good people!

Zakn - twilight at the well of souls for you!

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 02:15 AM (gh+mp)

676 Happy typing, zeera!

Posted by: Adriane at November 09, 2012 02:16 AM (gh+mp)

677
OK sorry Merovoign. I have had a lot of people over the years get on me for being 1) a kick-ass pool shooter and 2) a kick-ass lead flinger, and being a short lady sometimes I feel like I have to defend my choices. No harm no foul I guess.

Anyways, I really like mostly lurking here, and reading everyone's comments and lately it has been a stress reducer.

My whole family is prepping right now for zombie apcolyspe, so sort of working on what everyone needs for defense. I am lucky, husband and I live in a pretty defensibly area, with military base close by.
I really do love y'all!

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:16 AM (HUTO5)

678 of the wolf packs that are exploding all over the NI panhandle.

I was going to guess Northern Idaho, but Jake in ID said, "what's NI?"

Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2012 02:19 AM (FcR7P)

679 Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:16 AM (HUTO5)


it's all good

don't prep for zombies, prep for Democrats when Uncle Sugar can't sell any bonds...


Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:19 AM (2CiZb)

680 don't prep for zombies, prep for Democrats when Uncle Sugar can't sell any bonds...
Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:19 AM (2CiZb)

There's a difference?

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:20 AM (vtiE6)

681 There's a difference?
Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:20 AM (vtiE6)


democrats are all brain dead so head shots will not stop them

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:23 AM (2CiZb)

682
A dead pig with a Mitt Romney T-shirt was found dumped at a Republican Party campaign office in Manhattan Beach California, police said Thursday night. The dead animal was found early Thursday morning at the GOP office in the 3900 block of Highland Avenue, the Manhattan Beach Police Department said.





Obviously a hate crime against Muslims. Time to arrest another filmmaker....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 09, 2012 02:24 AM (kdS6q)

683 So, who is ready to go wild turkey shooting in the mountains of southeastern New Mexico on Saturday? early morning while they are still on my property? You can keep whichever ones you shoot, you just have to clean them. I don;t care if I have the smallest hands, I am only cleaning the guts out of the ones I shoot!

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:26 AM (HUTO5)

684 Yes, check this, alot of 10mm factory is very similar to .40S&W

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:08 AM (2CiZb)


The .40 is *literally* a cut-down 10mm auto. They just shortened the cartridge when the FBI asked for a "weak" 10mm, so it would fit in smaller-framed guns for smaller hands.

They talk about recoil but the bigger issue is that people with small hands can't use the 10mm auto.

You can think of the 10mm as a "magnum .40," though it came first.

The 10mm BTW *is* a magnum cartridge, it has higher pressure limits than a .44 Magnum.

It is uncommon but it has a fan base and they still sell guns, I don't think it will go away any time soon.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:27 AM (bxiXv)

685 So, who is ready to go wild turkey shooting in the mountains of southeastern New Mexico

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:26 AM (HUTO5)

shotgun only or can you use a rifle?

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:28 AM (2CiZb)

686 Well, if you are very accurate, I don't really care if you use a rifle. There are some who say you should only use a shotgun, but as long as your bullets don't go over to the neighbors property I really don't have a problem with that.

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:30 AM (HUTO5)

687 It is uncommon but it has a fan base and they still sell guns, I don't think it will go away any time soon.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:27 AM (bxiXv)


an IDPA buddy shoots 10mm, It hits steel targets as hard as .45ACP or hardsr.

He has some Blue Dot loads that blast your face off


Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:30 AM (2CiZb)

688 "What was the bomb sight that cost as much as The Manhattan Project, but didn't really work."

Norden.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 09, 2012 02:32 AM (ymG7s)

689 Hey Kids

Posted by: jc at November 09, 2012 02:34 AM (ufJKx)

690 Well, if you are very accurate, I don't really care if you use a rifle. There are some who say you should only use a shotgun, but as long as your bullets don't go over to the neighbors property I really don't have a problem with that.
Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:30 AM (HUTO5)


alas I'm too far away in Idaho and have this work thing.


But If I lived in South New Mexico I'd carry my rifle a pistol and a 2nd pistol everywhere I went.


We've got mexican crime here in Idaho, can't imaging what is is near the border with mexico


Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:35 AM (2CiZb)

691 It is uncommon but it has a fan base and they still sell guns, I don't think it will go away any time soon.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:27 AM (bxiXv)

The FBI initiated the development of the 10mm after the 1986 Miami shootout, when mad-dog murderers and bankrobbers Platt and Matix took numerous hits from 9mm, .38 Special +Ps, and 12-gauge pellets and kept coming, managing to kill two agents and seriously wound five others in a close-range gunfight. (Matix, who did most of the damage, was primarily using a .223 Ruger mini-14). The gunfight didn't end until Agent Edmundo Mireles, badly wounded, rushed the car in which the two men were attempting a getaway and shot them both in the head at point blank range with a .357 loaded with .38 Special +P.

Platt was shot 12 times with various calibers. Matix was shot 6 times. Hence the 10mm.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:38 AM (vtiE6)

692 an IDPA buddy shoots 10mm, It hits steel targets as hard as .45ACP or hardsr.

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:30 AM (2CiZb)


Max commercial 185gr loads in 45 are about 1155 fps.

10mm? 1350+.

550 fpe vs 730.

And honestly that 45 load is WAY over pressure limits for the 45. The 10mm isn't.

There are lightweight/fast 10mm loads at safe pressures over 1000 fpe (but with less penetration).

Not in the same ballpark.

Don't get me wrong, I love my 45.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:39 AM (bxiXv)

693 Sorry, Platt, not Matix,did most of the damage. I get insane killers confused.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:42 AM (vtiE6)

694 Yea, but it will just make everyone poor. Sometimes I wish we still had communist countries around to point at and go, look at that bullshit. You want that here?

Posted by: Zakn at November 09, 2012 01:53 AM (LbwgI)


ສະບາຍດີມີ

Posted by: Laos at November 09, 2012 02:43 AM (sZTYJ)

695 The FBI initiated the development of the 10mm after the 1986 Miami shootout,

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:38 AM (vtiE6)


...

The Bren Ten, designed around the 10mm Auto developed by Dornaus, Dixon, and writer Jeff Cooper, hit the market in 1983.

Norma produced the first ammunition at power levels referred to as "full power" today.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:44 AM (bxiXv)

696 The bottlenecked Tokarev 7.62 x 25 cartridge sends a bullet downrange at 1100 to 1400 fps. If you can't kill it with that, it can't be killed.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:45 AM (vtiE6)

697
The good thing about where I live in NM right now is that I am farther from the border from where I previously lived. I also have my go-to place for if the town I live in gets overrun by the "zombies". I used to live so close to the bortder the people coming across would ask me for water and food to go on. In the olden days, I would help them, but I am so happy I am not that close any more. There are too many narcos and not enough just looking for work types there.I have a place in the valley, and another place in the mountains. They are both defendable. I never used to think this way, but I don't know anymore.




Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:46 AM (HUTO5)

698 Remember when Democrats attack, double tap. Or is that zombies? Get them confused.

Well gone past 13,500 words on NaNoWriMo before the counter reset so am happy for being ahead. Or over 3,800 words today.

Played with the kittens and watched Porco Rosso while at it.

Night all.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 09, 2012 02:46 AM (SE9Fr)

699 Posted by: Merovign,


I'm generalising comparing 180gr 10mm to 230gr .45ACP on steel


I think they are hunting hogs in the South with 10mm with great effect


Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:46 AM (2CiZb)

700 Turkey shoot in NM? I'd love to be there...but won't get there Saturday. I'd bring my 12ga Franchi semi, I haven't got to shoot it much.


Good morning morons and moronettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 02:47 AM (yh0zB)

701 Actually the Norden bomb sight did work well on the Hiroshima mission. Enola Gay's atomic weapon missed the Aoi bridge AP by less than 200ft when its radar altimeter detonated it at 1,800ft.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 09, 2012 02:49 AM (SE9Fr)

702 Quick: you hear a news story about a leader publically saying it's impossible to impregnate a woman by raping her. What's the first thing you think:

A) Another ignorant, crazy Muslim from some hellhole like Pakistan or Afghanistan or
B) An American Republican running for office in the 21st Century?

But by all means, keep making vagina jokes and using the word "socialism" in every sentence.

Posted by: Jeff at November 09, 2012 02:55 AM (qRuw3)

703 The Bren Ten, designed around the 10mm Auto developed by Dornaus, Dixon, and writer Jeff Cooper, hit the market in 1983. Norma produced the first ammunition at power levels referred to as "full power" today.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:44 AM (bxiXv)

You're absolutely right. I forgot about Cooper's Bren Ten deal. The .40 SW was the end result of the Miami shootout. The feds liked 10mm power but also wanted lower recoil.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:55 AM (vtiE6)

704 .45 is a heavy slow slug, 10mm lighter and faster. Muzzle energy is comparable, not the same but comparable. Faster slugs cause more shock damage. There's a pic somewhere of a guy who got shot in the leg with 5.56x45 and it's a mess, but the bullet diameter is essentially the same as .22, there's just a lot more velocity in the round which causes more shock damage.



My $0.0002, adjusted for Obamaflation.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 02:56 AM (yh0zB)

705 I'm generalising comparing 180gr 10mm to 230gr .45ACP on steel

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 02:46 AM (2CiZb)


The heavy bullet carries even less energy. Mind you, it may *penetrate* more - but it won't penetrate *steel* more.

About 460 fpe for a very hot one. Original 230 ball under 400.

Mind you this is all sort of academic as there are so many more factors to effectiveness IRL.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 02:57 AM (bxiXv)

706 of course the slug weight of the .22 is a lot less than the .223, a function of the powder charge behind it. You just can't sling a heavy slug with the little bit of powder in your average .22 LR, and a lighter slug in the .223 wouldn't do so well.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 02:58 AM (yh0zB)

707 Posted by: Jeff at November 09, 2012 02:55 AM (qRuw3)

Tell me, is Alan Grayson representative of mainstream Democratic Party ideology? How about Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist who caucuses with the Democrats and whose voting record is actually to the right of President Obama's senate voting record? Just curious.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 02:58 AM (vtiE6)

708
Well, GGE, let me know if there is a time you could come hunting for turkey. They are on my property, and maybe it wouldn't have to be this Saturday, we might just have to be a "little" bit quiet.
My husband has been "quietly" taking doves that are such pigs and eat so much of the bird seed I put out in the Tularosa valley.

The turkeys are up in the mountains tho.

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:59 AM (HUTO5)

709 Akin was an anomaly, and he won the Republican primaries because McCaskill and her allies, knowing he was the weakest candiate,ensured he won the primary by encouraging Democrat to cross over and vote for him in the Republican primary. Common Chicago practice, btw.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:03 AM (vtiE6)

710 Original factory loadings - 10mm auto almost twice as much energy as the 45. Hot loads 35+% more.

45 carried 33% (or less) more bullet mass but less sectional density.

It's like comparing a .30-30 and a 7mm Mauser. They are both fine cartridges, but they are just not comparable (in the sense that they fill the same role or are close).

It's math. I know I'm being a gun nerd.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 03:05 AM (bxiXv)

711 But by all means, keep making vagina jokes and using the word "socialism" in every sentence.
Posted by: Jeff at November 09, 2012 02:55 AM (qRuw3)

In short, Jeff, Democratic Party leadership engineered Akin's candidacy and is largely comprised of not-so-closeted socialists. Marxist-socialists, that is. We call them what they are.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:07 AM (vtiE6)

712 Come on, Jeff. No hit-and-runs allowed. No swoop and poop. Defend your argument. Don't be a wuss.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:08 AM (vtiE6)

713 Yes, Merovign, you're being a gun nerd, but who doesn't lie awake at night and ponder ballistics comparisons?

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:10 AM (vtiE6)

714 Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 02:59 AM (HUTO5)


Thanks for the invite, NC to NM is quite the haul though.


It's math. I know I'm being a gun nerd.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 03:05 AM (bxiXv)


YMMV, and I'm always willing to learn more. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 03:13 AM (yh0zB)

715 YMMV, and I'm always willing to learn more. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 03:13 AM (yh0zB)


You know me, I am always willing to spew trivial data.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 03:14 AM (bxiXv)

716 'night

y'all




!

Posted by: jake in ID at November 09, 2012 03:14 AM (2CiZb)

717 Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:10 AM (vtiE6)

7.62x25 Tokarev is an interesting cartridge for sure.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 03:16 AM (yh0zB)

718 Night jake

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 03:16 AM (yh0zB)

719 holy crap, there is really a show called redneck island...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 03:18 AM (yh0zB)

720 *Come on, Jeff. No hit-and-runs allowed. No swoop and poop. Defend your argument. Don't be a wuss.*

I will, when you form a coherent sentence.

Posted by: Jeff at November 09, 2012 03:19 AM (qRuw3)

721 7.62x25 Tokarev is an interesting cartridge for sure.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 03:16 AM

The downside of the Tokarev caliber is its ridiculous penetration capabilities. You've got to know what's behind the target because it's likely to go through and through. Punches through most non-military body armor.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:20 AM (vtiE6)

722 I will, when you form a coherent sentence.
Posted by: Jeff at November 09, 2012 03:19 AM (qRuw3)

Published, award-winning fiction and non-fiction writer, Jeff. Not bragging, just fact. Coherence isn't the problem. Your ability to muster a counter-argument is the problem.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:22 AM (vtiE6)

723
Goodnight to y'all. I usually just lurk, but the invite for turkey shooting is still open. I would love to meet you folks in person. I love this blog - have been following Ace and reading the comments for a very very long time. I am glad that I have this place to come to. It helps me to stay strong and remember to fight the good fight. I am blessed to have family who feel the same way, and to know there are others out there that have the same principles as we do.

G_d bless you all. And I really do have a good bug-out location if you are in dire straits come the zombie acopcolypse. You will just have to try to fit in around family, ya know? Just look for Alamogord on the map, and look a little bit out in the county. If things get really bad, I will put up the wookie signal.

Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 03:23 AM (HUTO5)

724 The President of the United States is a red diaper baby who counts communist radicals such as Frank Marshal Davis and (convicted domestic terrorists) William Ayers, and Bernadette Dorn as friends and mentors. He knowingly appointed an avowed socialist, Van Jones, as one of his many czars. The President was also a member of the Chicago-based New Party, which identified as a socialist party. And yes, the New Party had members since they maintained a membership list. College friends said the President identified as a socialist when they knew him. His views may have moderated over the years, but he's never publicly disavowed the beliefs he held as a younger man, and his associations buttress the conclusion that he still holds them.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:30 AM (vtiE6)

725
"701Actually the Norden bomb sight did work well on the Hiroshima mission. Enola Gay's atomic weapon missed the Aoi bridge AP by less than 200ft when its radar altimeter detonated it at 1,800ft."


My dad had a Norden bomb sight on his B-24. He said it was highly classified, and he was supposed to try to destroy it, if a situation arose where it might fall into enemy hands. On the one mission where he had to bail out, he figured the crash (which was nearby) would probably do the trick. Plus there was ammo going off, or something.

The second time, he knew his ship wouldn't stay aloft,so hepicked his spot and had everybody bail out for a fairly decent altitude. I'm sure they would have had no idea where that one crashed. Well, not to within miles, anyway.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 09, 2012 03:31 AM (Mxt9o)

726 Come on, Jeff. Put up or shut up.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:31 AM (vtiE6)

727 If things get really bad, I will put up the wookie signal.
Posted by: alamogordo at November 09, 2012 03:23 AM (HUTO5)

I love the idea of a wookie signal. Good night, all.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:33 AM (vtiE6)

728
@724 "... His views may have moderated over the years, but he's never publicly disavowed the beliefs he held as a younger man, and his associations buttress the conclusion that he still holds them."


Some things just drive me CRAZY, and this is one of them.

"You didn't build that"

Do a little digging once in a while, people! READ the damn transcript. I have heard RIGHT-leaning people call that quote a "gaffe". How do you "Gaffe" for FOUR PARAGRAPHS!?!

In the four paragraphs, he not only says that famous quote, but he says essentially the same thing FOUR times. This was only the most quotable form.

The full context is a full-fledged rationalization for nationalizing companies (er, SOCIALISM!!) The whole idea behind "you didn't build that" is to delegitimize the ownership claim of the business owners! The argument is that if you owe thesuccess of your businessto the government, the government is within its moral authority to take what THEY rightly deserve credit for.

It seems like NOBODY GOT THIS. It was a socialist rant!!! And the only people who would even be ABLE to babble off a socialist rant are (duh!) SOCIALISTS! He told us he was a socialist, right then and there!

This guy has done practically everything except write the country a letter that says, "Hey, stupid!! I'm SOCIALIST!!!" It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, but it's black, so if it calls itself a swan nobody can say otherwise.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 09, 2012 03:43 AM (Mxt9o)

729 The downside of the Tokarev caliber is its
ridiculous penetration capabilities. You've got to know what's behind
the target because it's likely to go through and through. Punches
through most non-military body armor.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:20 AM (vtiE6)


Rule 4. Be sure of your target and your backstop.

That's it for me folks, I'm out. VIR tomorrow, charity laps for Salvation Army. G'night!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 09, 2012 03:53 AM (yh0zB)

730 The downside of the Tokarev caliber is its ridiculous penetration capabilities. You've got to know what's behind the target because it's likely to go through and through. Punches through most non-military body armor.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:20 AM (vtiE6)


Gun nerd time again.

No. Just no.

Level I and II vests, which are generally considered "light" or just plain outdated armor, with no trauma plates, sure. Along with some other pistol rounds. Like a conventional .357 FMJ.

IIIA w/ or w/o Trauma plates, as would be considered a modern setup? No. Not even.

I know YouTube is filled with people shooting through layers of commercial kevlar (that's made for boats not body armor) or borosilicate plates (designed to break up *inside* body armor as ablative material). That is miles from reality.

YES, you do need to watch your targets and be concerned with overpenetration, like with heavy 9mms for example.

But the whole "right through body armor" thing is, at best, extremely misleading.

And yet, it is all over the internet. Just look at the details of the claims or the source.

It's not all that unique either, there are 9mm loads with similar bullet weights at similar speeds, they're just unusual because it's a very light bullet.

I'm sure someone has stuffed an AP bullet in a 7.62x25 that can cut through a IIIA vest, but the same becomes true of most calibers at that point.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 03:59 AM (bxiXv)

731 I dunno, Merovign. I've seen the YouTube 'tests' and discounted them as faulty, but Eastern European cops wear reinforced body armor to account for Tokarev penetration. That information may be bogus too, given the nature of the Internet, but I qualified my statement with 'most non-military body armor'. I'm not saying it's a kryptonite super-caliber. I'm saying it'll punch through just about anything I'm liable to shoot with it.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 04:12 AM (vtiE6)

732 I guess I'll find out should anyone in body armor ever burst through my door with the intention of taking my guns.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 04:16 AM (vtiE6)

733 Caught the movie "The Dead" (2010) on tv last night. Was not bad. Not bad at all. Would recommend it highly to zombie buffs. Set in west africa and shot in 35mm celluloid, REAL film. Looked great for a low budget flick. Nothing fancy, just good zombie suspense in the west african bush.

Posted by: otho at November 09, 2012 04:25 AM (yBF/9)

734 but Eastern European cops wear reinforced body armor to account for Tokarev penetration. That information may be bogus too,

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 04:12 AM (vtiE6)


It doesn't have to be, they may consider IIIA "reinforced" or use trauma plates with level II or IIA.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 09, 2012 04:33 AM (bxiXv)

735 Caught the movie "The Dead" (2010) on tv last night. Was not bad. Not bad at all. Would recommend it highly to zombie buffs. Set in west africa and shot in 35mm celluloid, REAL film. Looked great for a low budget flick. Nothing fancy, just good zombie suspense in the west african bush.
Posted by: otho at November 09, 2012 04:25 AM (yBF/9)

I saw that, too. It was a smart zombie movie. The protagonist was intelligent and resourceful. In most zombie shows--The Walking Dead especially--people do incredibly stupid things most people wouldn't do in such an implausibly catastrophic situation; for example, engage in deep, meaningful conversations about relationship issues in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. And I swear to God, if that Carl kid refuses to obey orders one more time, I'm feeding him to the zombies myself.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 04:41 AM (vtiE6)

736
Here's the night owl preview on my analysis of what the hell the deal was with the election, which I hadn't sorted out until today, but was too busy to throw out there.

What everybody's saying is bunk.

The polls weren't right - they fudged a non-commital number by making crazy assumptions with the internals, and got lucky. They picked a narrow Obama win because their patrons wanted to hear Obama would win, and that way they wouldn't be as far off. Their internals were all over the place, and mostly wrong. That CNN poll was D+11, Indies R+22; the real numbers were D+6, R+5. Let's not pretend they knew what they were doing.

Let's not forget that our main problem is the media. They have gotten so out of control that they have hidden the story of a socialist with Communist, terrorist, and felonaffiliations so that such a person can be President, and then actively bury scandals and his abyssmal record. The media propaganda is so enormous, it is a wonder that any Republican ever gets elected. The problem is not "the message" or "the demographics". It must be a damn good message, if we can win when we have to swim against that raging current.

If we didn't have the media problem, stupid things like the "Homer Simpson effect" (as I had termed it) wouldn't be fatal when theyspring out of nowhere. It sounds like Sandy cost Romney about 10 points with the Indies, which is 3 points in the popular vote, which is the margin we needed for the four states between us and the White House.

But even that wouldn't have killed us, if not for this unbelievable screw-up with the ground game. We must have lost at least 5 points of turnout because of that, to end up with fewer votes than McCain. 5 pts in turnout means about 4 pts in popular vote, so that was a bigger deal than "Homer"/Sandy.

If EITHER of those unlikely disasters had not happen, we'd be in a much better mood right now.

But if we had ever figured out how to neutralize the media, Obama would never have made it out of the Illinois state senate in the first place, tens of millionsmore people would be employed right now, and our economy would be booming. Without the media, Obama wouldn't have had a chance in hell - of getting elected even to dog catcher.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 09, 2012 04:48 AM (Mxt9o)

737 I saw that, too. It was a smart zombie movie. The protagonist was intelligent and resourceful. In most zombie shows--The Walking Dead especially--people do incredibly stupid things most people wouldn't do in such an implausibly catastrophic situation; for example, engage in deep, meaningful conversations about relationship issues in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. And I swear to God, if that Carl kid refuses to obey orders one more time, I'm feeding him to the zombies myself.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 04:41 AM

Yeah, it was pretty good. Am rather picky about zombie films, but this well done. The engineer was good, as was his erstwhile ally. Liked that it was set in an african war zone, too. Like you said, most of what happened was plausible and made sense, apart from a couple of decisions they made, but, I guess you can write it off to fatigue and sleep deprivation. Liked the emphasis on obtaining water, food and getting rest, safely. Also, I appreciated the attention to ammunition. When running low, use the machete... save the rounds for REALLY tight spots.

Posted by: otho at November 09, 2012 04:51 AM (yBF/9)

738 But if we had ever figured out how to neutralize the media, Obama would never have made it out of the Illinois state senate in the first place, tens of millionsmore people would be employed right now, and our economy would be booming. Without the media, Obama wouldn't have had a chance in hell - of getting elected even to dog catcher.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 09, 2012 04:48 AM

It's possible that it won't be so tough from here on, with the media. They are going to continue to be hostile and it has gotten much, much worse since 2000. But, the MSM was totally deranged in it's devotion to serving Barry. He is the ultimate wet dream for the left, he ticks so many boxes. There was no way they were going to let America fire the fuck. With the electoral fraud ramped up the way it has been, a landslide was the only way out of Barry redux. With the media that was always going to be a bridge too far. However, now that they've had their historical first precedence, they aren't going to be a rabid. It's not going to be good, but, I suspect that it won't be this bad again.

Posted by: otho at November 09, 2012 05:20 AM (yBF/9)

739
Good Morning,
I can't believe I woke up this morning feeling just as bad if not worse then Tuesday, how is that possible. I feel hopeless which really sucks, I'm just kinda sitting around spinning my wheels going from I should turn it all of and say screw politics to how the hell to we fix this shit and what can I do to help.

Posted by: spypeach at November 09, 2012 05:28 AM (pwTow)

740 >>>and if you see the really fine, hunky one with a scrawny lil runt staring at him in wide-eyed wonder at the way his well-sculpted musculature effortlessly throws off his weapon's recoil in a series of sex-conjuring, wave-like movements, you should know that he's taken, and some tell that scrawny lil runt has a bit of fight >.>Posted by: jimi ray

Enough with your gay sex bullshit.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 09, 2012 05:42 AM (C4dFv)

741 I'm just kinda sitting around spinning my wheels going from I should turn it all of and say screw politics to how the hell to we fix this shit and what can I do to help.
Posted by: spypeach at November 09, 2012 05:28 AM (pwTow)

In other times, we could say 'screw politics' because politics didn't have much of an effect on our daily lives. It was okay to be indifferent. Now, an increasingly intrustive government is involved in every aspect of our personal and professional lives, influencing every move we make,and it is impossible to be indifferent. It's fair to say politics is now screwing us. Another word for what's happening is 'tyranny'.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 06:02 AM (vtiE6)

742 342 That is right, we are now going to charge the networks a fee of two times whatever we are spending on PBS/NPR. 1/2 of the fee goes to PBS/NPR -- the other half to reduce the deficiet.
-
Good idea.

Also, repeal the Hollywood tax cuts.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 09, 2012 07:26 AM (23WI9)

743 When I get down, I tell myself don't be a democrat. But since this is really going to hurt a lot of people financially, it's hard to blow it off.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 09, 2012 07:30 AM (C4dFv)

744 and Christians know that it's the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil...andso itdoesn'tmatter whether you're rich or poor.

Posted by: Lynne at November 09, 2012 08:08 AM (+Uv5V)

745 We'll all be equally poor in the glorious utopia comrades. Just look at how cool dear leader is when you feel down.

Posted by: equality of results in the collective at November 09, 2012 09:03 AM (Kflw4)

746
need stat:
jokes re oral sex; pudding
detailed polling analysis

Posted by: wm flip at November 09, 2012 09:28 AM (lB/5N)

747 If only tumbleweeds could vote.

Suck it up losers.

4 MORE YEARS

Posted by: Ace is dumb at November 09, 2012 05:03 PM (BvuR1)

748 26 I've read a lot of election post mortem analysis, some insightful and some typical pundit groupdrink.

But folks, it's very simple, we met the enemy and it ain't us.

It's the MFM.

It begins and ends there.

The need defrocking and terminal flogging.
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Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 10, 2012 03:46 AM (vbzPH)

749 127 I don't think it's pandering to "feature" hispanics or blacks who speak the conservative message. I think we have to face it that the liberals have won the whole identity politics fight. They've simply won that. We have to accept it and reach out.
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If the liberals have won the identity politics fight, they've won everything. In a state divided by mass immigration and multi-racial conflict, which America has become, identity politics is the whole game.

It's a bad idea to accept that the anti-White left has won, even if you don't think of that as implying pandering.

You have to struggle for the success of your side, whether it's the anti-White side of the Democrats, or the Republican Party, which is 90% White.

The top headline of the latest issue of Newsweek is:

GOP: YOU'RE OLD, YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE HISTORY!

When someone is in a conflict with you, and they're winning, and their notion of your future is YOU'RE HISTORY! your only option is to continue to fight them, not matter what the odds, no matter how long and hard the road.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 10, 2012 04:09 AM (vbzPH)






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Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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