Boehner: Amnesty? Oh We Can Totally Do That

Offered without comment from today.

John Boehner

Boehner offered optimism that his party could come to an agreement with Obama on immigration, a subject that has hurt the GOP with Hispanic voters.

"This issue has been around far too long," Boehner said in the ABC interview. "A comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I'm confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all."

Charles Krauthammer

There is one exception here, which I think is Hispanics. And that is not an intrinsic ethnic affinity problem, it is a policy problem. The Republicans are -- Romney ran right of Rick Perry in the primaries on that issue. He never recovered.

I think Republicans can change their position, be a lot more open to actual amnesty with enforcement. Amnesty, everything short of citizenship. And to make a bold change in their policy. Enforcement and then immediately after, a guarantee of amnesty. That would change everything. If you had a Rubio arguing that it would completely up-end all the ethnic alignments.

Sean Hannity

Its simple to me to fix it, Hannity said. I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here you dont say youve got to go home. And that is a position that Ive evolved on. Because, you know what, its got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done.

You cant let the problem continue its got to stop, the conservative radio host added

Added: Chuck Schumer

This is a breakthrough to have the Speaker endorse the urgency of comprehensive immigration reform.

Posted by: DrewM. at 08:27 PM



Comments

1 Damn, I'm going back out to toast more marshmallows.

Posted by: NCKate at November 08, 2012 08:29 PM (MsQkt)

2 So. I think I'll just kill this bottle of wine.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:29 PM (Gk3SS)

3 I guess Newt was ahead of the times...

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 08:29 PM (LmEvg)

4 Florida bitches.

How's that electoral college prediction going for you Ace?

You guys got fucking owned.

Posted by: john at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (GnD2p)

5 I say this every time illegal immigration comes up, but dammit, it's worth saying.

There are people who spend 7-10 years waiting to immigrate LEGALLY, because the system is so junked up with illegals. These people remain in their home country, often at risk to themselves and family, because they want to do it the right way. Because they really love America, and want to be Americans.

So let's just shit on them some more, Mkay?????

Posted by: moki at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (wi/sM)

6 Did the suppression or lack of voter ID laws aid President Obamas victory over Mitt Romney?

Obama did not win a single state that requires photo IDs to vote, although he was victorious in four states that require non-photo identification Washington, Colorado, Ohio and Virginia. Those states accept as legitimate identification current utility bills, bank statements and paychecks.

Obama won several closely contested states that do not require any voter identification, including Minnesota, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin and Nevada.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (e8kgV)

7 We don't like our current voters. You're too demanding.

We're gonna try to get some new ones.

Posted by: The GOP at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (uhAkr)

8 I recall the whole amnesty with a promise of enforcement being passed during Reagan's term.

Yeah, that worked.

"alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally."

Amen.

Posted by: cranky-d at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (e+0SC)

9 2 So. I think I'll just kill this bottle of wine.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:29 PM (Gk3SS)


Right there with ya.

Seriously, don't look out the window.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (bxiXv)

10 First you stop the leak, then you figure out what to do with all the water. Otherwise one will be pumping water out forever to no effect.

The same is true for immigration.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (KCvsd)

11 Republicans: Give the country away responsibly.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (AzwZn)

12 A successful Amnesty would have to revoke Birthright Citizenship to pass muster with me.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (QupBk)

13 Minnesota also rejected the Voter ID law on the ballot.

Yay us!

Posted by: cranky-d at November 08, 2012 08:32 PM (e+0SC)

14 Or clarify it rather.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:32 PM (QupBk)

15 I'm all for it. I've also evolved on nukes for Iran. Lots of other stuff, too. Open the borders. Come bankrupt with us. Si se puede.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 08, 2012 08:32 PM (6JMZR)

16 Islamic Rage,

Romney lost Florida and they require photo ID.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voting/voting-info.shtml

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 08:32 PM (LmEvg)

17 Did someone promise Hannity war with Iran if he embraced amnesty?

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 08:32 PM (AzwZn)

18 Amnesty #8, coming right up. Would you like fries with that?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2012 08:32 PM (ccXZP)

19 How much shit are they trying to fling at us at one time?

Posted by: NCKate at November 08, 2012 08:33 PM (MsQkt)

20 12-Amen and Amen. Do that, and I would agree with it as well.

Posted by: moki at November 08, 2012 08:33 PM (wi/sM)

21 Something is going to be have to done, but my line in the sand is that amnesty is ok but allowing (former) illegals to vote is a dealbreaker. Let them be some kind of permanent residents, but no votey.

Posted by: Mayday at November 08, 2012 08:33 PM (F3s39)

22 You guys got fucking owned.

Posted by: john


You enjoy your bark soup, dumbass.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:34 PM (QupBk)

23 Shorter hacks: we need to pander to "hispanics" which are mostly poor Mexican nationals.

Screw all of them.

Posted by: cranky-d at November 08, 2012 08:34 PM (e+0SC)

24 I'm starting to realize that I may never get a job again.

I'm 27, white, and male.

There are no jobs for me. Down to and including dishwashing.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 08, 2012 08:34 PM (QULDk)

25
Reagan did exactly what they are suggesting. How did that work out forRepublicans with the latino vote?
On the otherhand, Romney received 1.8 million fewer votes than McCain.
I don't think the problem was losing latino support.

Posted by: Leland at November 08, 2012 08:34 PM (3R7WS)

26 Sean Hannity is a twit.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at November 08, 2012 08:35 PM (ZETiK)

27 Right there with ya.



Seriously, don't look out the window.



Do you see my mittens? Not the black ones, the cream ones with the red stripe.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:35 PM (Gk3SS)

28 Can't we import a shit town of fiscally conservative Eastern Europeans and Koreans first?

I hear they don't particularly like commies too!

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at November 08, 2012 08:35 PM (KCvsd)

29
From previous thread....grrr....

MrScribbler @ 107:

Damn. I miss ol' Frank.

Yeah, me
too. I loved the way he got under Mrs Algore's skin, (Back when Al
Gore, (D, KooKoo For Coco Puffs), was trying to extort money from music,
instead of environmental activism.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 08, 2012 08:36 PM (L7hol)

30 > I'm 27, white, and male.

> There are no jobs for me. Down to and including dishwashing.

Then learn how to write software. There's tons of free courses online, and the pay is very good.

There are many industries that have a permanent hiring shortage and great pay, and high tech is one of them.

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 08:36 PM (LmEvg)

31 A successful Amnesty would have to revoke Birthright Citizenship to pass muster with me.
-------------------------------------

I don't think they'll ask for your muster.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 08:36 PM (AzwZn)

32 Why did I ever bother with INS? I could have just spent that money and time on other stuff instead of doing things by the book. Fucking naturalization?!?!? I wasted 4 years of my life.

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 08:36 PM (doBIb)

33 Think I'll crack open this jug of opium and this package of mescaline is going to be a nice appetizer.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 08, 2012 08:37 PM (jZn+7)

34
You guys got fucking owned.

Posted by: john at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (GnD2p)


Seriously, you are a dumb fuck. I hope you enjoy seeing things go to hell even faster.

Posted by: Adam at November 08, 2012 08:38 PM (/YJYi)

35 Hannity is a party hack. I have no idea why people watch him. I doubt immigration is handled next year. Many of these ass hats are folding because of the election. Give them weeks to recover.
Immigration reform wont help us now. We have to do it closer to 2016, especially if Rubio runs

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 08:38 PM (iEujK)

36 So. I think I'll just kill this bottle of wine.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:29 PM (Gk3SS)



Right there with ya.



Seriously, don't look out the window.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (bxiXv)

whew, that made me laugh.
thank you

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 08:38 PM (hX8cq)

37 Rest easy, this is just dumb luck, and incompetence too.

Posted by: nip at November 08, 2012 08:38 PM (11Tdq)

38 He's right though, we did get fucking owned.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 08:39 PM (Td9D+)

39 We lost an election by a couple of points so now we are going to throw in the towel on key issues like Amnesty? How did that work out for McCain in 2008? How popular was Bush at the end of his second term after repeatedly pushing Amnesty and trying to sneak by the DREAM Act?

Turning lawbreakers into voting citizens by the millions. Yep, a sure fire election winner for conservatives.

The libs will always be able to give away more. What next? Maybe Republicans can back Reparations? Brilliant

Posted by: DaMav at November 08, 2012 08:39 PM (rT08W)

40 I've also evolved my positions and now believe:

-corporations are purposely polluting inner city neighborhoods to kill black people and need to be regulated out of existence

-Bush blew up the Twin Towers

-we should choose our leaders based solely on skin color and how authentically they wear it

-life begins when babies can vocally express what makes them different from everybody else

It's so much simpler now. Come join my new party. Can't lose. We'll call ourselves the Remocrats.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 08, 2012 08:39 PM (6JMZR)

41 When the shit hits the fan and the bus goes over the cliff. How many of the people that say "the illegals are just here doing jobs that Americans won't" will be wanting those jobs back.?

Posted by: Bruce at November 08, 2012 08:39 PM (z4eur)

42 The Balkanization of America

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 08, 2012 08:40 PM (8JpQH)

43 sits by alex, with a glass.


the other bottle is inthe kitchen
maybe i should have brought several

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 08:40 PM (hX8cq)

44 Have a great day

Seriously, these guys are oblivious homers. Their team won the game while their house was burning down.

Yea Them!

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:40 PM (QupBk)

45 >Minnesota also rejected the Voter ID law on the ballot.

Yeah, I'm working on my 24 month exit strategy for Minnesota. If I hadn't just bought a house a year ago it would be more like 6 months. I can't live in this fucking state anymore. Jesse Ventura, Al Franken, and the first state in the history of ever to vote against a Voter ID initiative. Will the last one with any goddamned sense who leaves please shut off the lights?

I'm going to go back home to the Ozarks, buy 40 acres in the sticks and wait for the shooting to start.

Posted by: DanInMN at November 08, 2012 08:40 PM (khf9A)

46 Yep, GOP. You go and amnesty the immigrants. They'll vote against you anyway and you'll still be fucked. Just more royally. They like free shit too.


Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 08, 2012 08:41 PM (GrtrJ)

47 Screw compromise; offer your own plan and tell them to take it or leave it. If Boehner's not willing to do that, he shouldn't be Speaker.

Posted by: JonathanEllis at November 08, 2012 08:41 PM (BdzEV)

48 OT: Saw an ad for an online game called Wartune. It looks like the "Civony" ads, and they have the cartoon dancing girl upfront.

Man, the more things change....

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Channeling Ron Burgundy at November 08, 2012 08:41 PM (gmoEG)

49 40 Those are probably the next four thread topics.

Posted by: NCKate at November 08, 2012 08:41 PM (MsQkt)

50 The Squeaker of the House

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 08, 2012 08:42 PM (6JMZR)

51 In *theory* I could go along with this, BUT in *reality* you will never, ever get the "control the border first" part. Republicans would just pretend to secure the border, and Dems wouldn't even pretend.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 08:42 PM (qEkGZ)

52 So it is bad that one not vote for the GOP why again?

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at November 08, 2012 08:42 PM (T/L2Z)

53 Our only option is to promise Amnesty, get elected, and then totally not grant Amnesty. Its a stretch of course, but that's all we can do.

Amnesty would be the death of America, but without supporting it we will never be elected again.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 08:42 PM (Td9D+)

54 If they were going to go down this route, it should have been used to pound Obama before the election. Not a day went by during the 2008 campaign without Obama lying about "comprehensive immigration reform". Then when he gained absolute power in '09-10 - Bupkus. He stiffed them with no possible excuse. He was never called on that.

Having said that, I'm with Rush in thinking that's not really the main issue anyway.

Posted by: forest at November 08, 2012 08:42 PM (7RBBe)

55 Our only option is to promise Amnesty, get elected, and then totally not grant Amnesty. Its a stretch of course, but that's all we can do.

It worked for the SCoaMF.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:43 PM (QupBk)

56 2
So. I think I'll just kill this bottle of wine.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:29 PM (Gk3SS)


I'll join you.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 08, 2012 08:43 PM (GrtrJ)

57 sits by alex, with a glass.


Here. Have some of my cupcake.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:43 PM (Gk3SS)

58 hannity is an illiterate fuckhead. always has been and always will be.

Posted by: butternut at November 08, 2012 08:43 PM (nbYoV)

59
Mark Levin had a great ipening rant about this.

Levin was upset with Boner out there negotiating (and getting the shaft in the deal) with himself.

Levin is right. Nobody on the Left has made any proposals and Boner jumped out in front and talked about how he's willing to this and wiiling to do that.

Boner is one dumb shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2012 08:43 PM (BUcLz)

60 Seriously, these guys are oblivious homers. Their team won the game while their house was burning down.

Yea Them!
---------------------------------

And blacks are celebrating while their unemployment rate is double the national average.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 08:43 PM (AzwZn)

61 > We lost an election by a couple of points...

Well, this meme needs to die. The GOP got their asses handed to them in the Senate races -- all of it Socon-related.

And then Romney couldn't seal the deal either.

The senate losses are the reason the GOP is rolling over, not the Romney loss.

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 08:44 PM (LmEvg)

62 Maybe the government could give conservatives the state of Puerto Rico for our own. They hate us, and would be free of us. We'd be free to do as we wish. Because dem policies are so wise and successful (as shown in Detroit, Newark, and St. Louis), they'd really show us if we left and gave them free rein to implement those policies throughout the country.

Posted by: Palandine at November 08, 2012 08:44 PM (g7D8V)

63 They have to move quickly because the window will close as the financial crisis will take hold somewhere in the summer of '13.

It doesn't really matter that we have told our betters that we don't want amnesty, they want it, so there will be amnesty.

When you don't like the voters, you change them.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 08, 2012 08:44 PM (0fxcV)

64 Do you see my mittens? Not the black ones, the cream ones with the red stripe.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:35 PM (Gk3SS)


Coat pocket, bedroom closet. The one you had cleaned.

The cleaner found them but forgot to tell you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 08:45 PM (bxiXv)

65 Maybe the government could give conservatives the state of Puerto Rico for our own.

Just let Texas leave peacefully. I will invoke my birthright citizenship and move back.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:45 PM (QupBk)

66 Hispanics don't like Conservative economic policies. It isn't about amnesty. Nobody pushed that more than McCain and he got nothing for it at the polls. In fact Republicans hated him for it so it was probably a net loss. Hispanics do work hard but they are mostly labor intensive jobs in the lower pay scales. They want a large social safety net. In other words, they are Democrats.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 08, 2012 08:45 PM (x0g8a)

67 Here. Have some of my cupcake.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:43 PM (Gk3SS)
thankyou, want some of my cheetos?yeah really I am eating cheetos, gross but they were there (kid) melt and i cannot chew.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 08:45 PM (hX8cq)

68 Amnesty isn't going to get us any more votes. I'm all for economic collapse since we can recover from that.



Turning us into a third world shithole by encouraging those that created third world shitholes at their point of origin? Unrecoverable.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 08, 2012 08:45 PM (8JpQH)

69 Drew, problem brewing on thread below that may require your attention

Posted by: kbdabear at November 08, 2012 08:45 PM (wwsoB)

70 Boner is an idiot. Do you ever see the progs give up? Hell no. Might as well have pisslosi in charge. Not much difference.

Posted by: Ronster at November 08, 2012 08:46 PM (nQMHQ)

71 And then the GOP wonders why so many Conservative and Libertarian voters, especialy Men.... sat this election out.

You can't keep changing your mind. Either you are Pro Law Enforcment... or you are not.

Rewarding those who break the law strikes at the very foundation of the idea we are a Republic.

So we now have Obama rewarding them by NOT enforcing Federal Law, and the Repubs who will then make the Obama policy LEGAL?

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 08:46 PM (lZBBB)

72 The senate losses are the reason the GOP is rolling over, not the Romney loss.
-------------------------------------

That's right.

House elections are local.

Senate is state wide.

Give em' the free shit Repub's. Roll over totally.

It's what America wants.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 08:46 PM (AzwZn)

73 Coat pocket, bedroom closet. The one you had cleaned.



The cleaner found them but forgot to tell you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 08:45 PM (bxiXv)

haha , Merovign, you do creepy really well!

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 08:46 PM (hX8cq)

74 Any time I hear the word "comprehensive", I want to puke.

Posted by: Ronster at November 08, 2012 08:46 PM (nQMHQ)

75 Turning us into a third world shithole

Hi. Have we met?

Posted by: This Past Tuesday at November 08, 2012 08:47 PM (6JMZR)

76 Time to dump Bohner. How much did he cut Federal spending with a Republican House? Who agreed to cut the military with Sequestration? Heck, the Repubs couldn't even chop NPR.

Posted by: DaMav at November 08, 2012 08:47 PM (rT08W)

77 Hispanics do work hard but they are mostly labor intensive jobs in the lower pay scales. They want a large social safety net. In other words, they are Democrats.

I was thinking about this today. The Green Card Mexican's I know work hard and uncomplainingly. And of this they are rightfully proud. Which is good. But they have their families on ever program they can get into. So not too proud.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:47 PM (QupBk)

78 61

there are plenty of Republicans who have the same "socon" (stupid shorthand) views as Mourdock, however extreme a lot of people might find them. They just aren't idiots about how they word it.

anyway this post is unfortunate. the GOP cannot outbid the Dems on this issue and there will be another backlash like Bush had if they try

Posted by: JDP at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (60GaT)

79 oh willow I forgot about the tooth thing! How did it go?


Coat pocket, bedroom closet. The one you had cleaned.



The cleaner found them but forgot to tell you.



Thanks! I knew they had to be somewhere.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (Gk3SS)

80 Why would we NOT open ourselves to a demographic that is compatible?

Latinos self-identify as conservatives at a higher percentage than whites, or anyone else for that matter.

There is also a strong economic argument behind legalizaing immigration. Not only do they start paying taxes etc., but further, they buoy the declining fertility rates of whites/asians. Do you want to be a Japan/Sweden with its looming crisis of upside-down population pyramids?

Immigrant drive/innovation, to boot.

Posted by: Wieters at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (phXWT)

81 They're here voting and consuming government resources anyway. Might as well make it official.

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (EX+sq)

82 Dear American nationalists, constitutionalests, and lovers of freedom: Get out of our Party. We're the GOP and we proudly embrace our newly imported voting population. We've elected a new people and the old one that made it great needs to go away and die quietly.

Signed the GOP.

Posted by: red at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (7us0J)

83 The problem will solve itself when Obama tanks the economy.

Posted by: ElKomandante at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (Te73K)

84 this country is on a one way trip to socialism with no way to stop it. obama will allow at least 10 million more mexicans to cross the border with benefits in the next four yearsand many will vote in next presidential election. then repeat. conservatives have no way to overcome the math. we have seen the begining of the end.

Posted by: pd at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (6evzX)

85 You know, prior to Tuesday, this would've made me blood pressure rise. But yesterday, after it all sank in and I realized how truly fucked we are as a country (notice I didn't say party), I became strangely calm. I was hit with a feeling I've never, ever encountered before in all of my 49 years here on this blue and green ball we call Earth. I just don't care anymore. I will still always vote R. I will still articulate my political persuasion if asked. I'll still come here. But this is no longer the America I grew up in. Any way you slice it, we're never going back to a sane fiscal policy, or a conservative set of ideals that foster what we were founded upon. Millions and millions and millions have come to our shores over the last 3 decades. Legal and illegal. But they do not love my country. These Hispanics we're going to go after? I laugh. They will not..NOT..vote Republican because they've already been co opted, just like blacks. The message of liberty and freedom will not ring in their ears. They are here to take advantage of the system. Another group of 'make whitey pay.' My country is gone. What's been emerging in its place is something I no longer recognize, or dare I say, feel much allegiance to. {shrug}

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (lTVJy)

86 @65 Toby, I'd rather have an island. You've got a socialist country to your south, whose inhabitants are so ground down by the corruption and violence that they can't wait to move north and replicate it. Plus, as dem policies cause collapse, they'll try to come to Texas.

Nope, give me an island. Hell, if I didn't believe Israel should be a majority Jewish state, I'd say we should all move to Israel.

Posted by: Palandine at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (g7D8V)

87 Yeah, why worry about the 3+ million old white guys that sat this one out. Let's try for some new brown ones that can't tell the difference between GOP and GDP.

I knew they'd have to double down on stupid.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (Qxdfp)

88 So, about those professionals we get lectured every two years about needing.

Where are they?

All I see is these guys working for the other side...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (x8wJs)

89
Look, I agree that something needs to be done about the problem of illegal immigrants, and I don't believe that it is right to chuck a bunch of kids out when they had no choice in being dragged or born here.... however... This pandering to the liberals has got to stop. Secure the borders. Period. Stop the invasion. These aren't all just "good people trying to find a better life". There are blood thirsty criminals pouring through the border every day. STOP THE FUCKING INVASION FIRST!!! Then figure out what to do with the other people. What they did was illegal and they should not be rewarded for that behavior. DO NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO VOTE!!! EVER.
the next four yrs are gonna be hell on my caps lock.

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (iRgZG)

90 71
And then the GOP wonders why so many Conservative and Libertarian voters, especialy Men.... sat this election out.

unfortunately, many libertarians favor open borders.

(i say unfortunately because it is unfortunate when anyone given the gift of a brain decides not to use it.)

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (zZJJp)

91 Would someone please inform black people that their Dem masters are desperately
seeking their replacements?

Seriously, you think it a coincidence that illegals flooded the country during a good employment outlook and now when things are tight blacks are at at least 20 percent unemployment?

The Dems may not be the party of the Klan anymore but the damage they are inflicting exceeds the most fevered dreams of the lowest Grand Wizard ever to exist.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (+VMZ0)

92
Hey, for of you who stayed up late analyzing the election returns and commiserating with the rest of us:

DIANE SAWYER: Have to begin with the election, what was the first word you said to yourself when you knew that the President was going to win again?

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: It’s the hand I was dealt. I’ll play it. And I went to bed.

DIANE SAWYER: Right away? How early?

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: 11:15. I saw the handwriting on the wall for a couple of hours, and at 11:15, the race was, in my view, finished, and I went to sleep. And slept like a baby.



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 08:50 PM (kdS6q)

93 A good compromise might be every illegal who turns in 3 others gets citizenship while the other 3 get deported.

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 08:50 PM (EX+sq)

94 #56 and #2: So wine? A lot?

*ahem*

'Le Growl' as old Pepe Le pew would say.


Posted by: Mikey NTH -Channeling Ron Burgundy at November 08, 2012 08:50 PM (gmoEG)

95 I could have used some boner amnesty back in 8th grade when the teacher called me to the board.

Posted by: Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 08:51 PM (NIZHJ)

96 This reminds me of all the times Democrats narrowly lost an election and decided to compromise with Republicans.

Can someone remind me of one of those times?

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2012 08:51 PM (+EYUY)

97 oh willow I forgot about the tooth thing! How did it go?


Coat pocket, bedroom closet. The one you had cleaned.





The cleaner found them but forgot to tell you.


Thanks! I knew they had to be somewhere.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (Gk3SS)

Look.... opens mouth ,
no ...way back there.... They said root canal, I said noo, take it out now.molar and tooth beside it, molar cracked the tooth beside it.can't see tht thankfully.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 08:51 PM (hX8cq)

98 Latinos and blacks ain't voting for smaller government and less hand outs period, end of story.

The only way the GOP can get their vote is by becoming the Dem. party, which is apparently what they are flirting with doing.

Posted by: flyonthewall at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (pePug)

99 Why would we NOT open ourselves to a demographic that is compatible?

Latinos self-identify as conservatives at a higher percentage than whites, or anyone else for that matter.

There is also a strong economic argument behind legalizaing immigration. Not only do they start paying taxes etc., but further, they buoy the declining fertility rates of whites/asians. Do you want to be a Japan/Sweden with its looming crisis of upside-down population pyramids?

Immigrant drive/innovation, to boot.
Posted by: Wieters at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (phXWT)


Holy shit. We are back in 2007 again.

Your pathetic bullshit won't fly here, troll.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (sRus3)

100
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: You know, Diane, I was born an optimist. I always see the glass as half-full, and I had a nice conversation with the President yesterday, and even over the course of (JOHN BOEHNER coughs) these last couple of years, we’ve had a very cordial relationship.

And I remain optimistic that we’re going to be able to find common ground to avoid this fiscal cliff and find a way to work together to deal with the big issues the American people sent us here to deal with.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (kdS6q)

101 I fucking hate repubics that have to be liked.....Boner being at the front of the.

Two days after we have 'increases in revenue' and amnesty brought up unsolicited. What kind of fucking alternate universe did we wake up in Wednesday morning.

ATC, I think I will open bottle #2.

Posted by: TheAdmiral at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (xe8yS)

102 Yep, Immigration Reform will happen. Look for the bill to be signed around Cinco de Mayo. Boehner and Obama grip-n-grin photo coming to your local paper, above the fold. Sucks, but not sure that Boehner has any other choice at this point.


Posted by: Robert_Paulson at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (CFa7X)

103 I'm gonna call it guys.

It's new party time.

Yeah, I'm not sure of what that will buy us, but our current leadership clearly has absolutely no principles or scruples. They want to retain seats in Washington at any cost.

What I do know is that John Boehner and his type are not the path to any form of success. The genial good-sportsmanship approach and craven lack of principle have failed. Going Democrat-lite isn't going to win. Voting for every stupid idea Obama and the hackerama has will only make the GOP complicit in the ruin to come. Better to have principles and speak out after the ashes than to be painted as part of the problem.

I dunno, maybe I'm just smarting from the drubbing on Tuesday. But this doesn't seem like the way forward.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (uhAkr)

104 and I don't believe that it is right to chuck a bunch of kids out when
they had no choice in being dragged or born here.... however...



So how does this work,... should a bank robber's kids get to keep the money? I am all for compassion and forgivness, but that can only happen after the crime is STOPPED, and the guilty party is contrite. I don't see a lot of contrition. i don't see anyone saying "please let my children stay and we will sign a contract that we will never take gov. money",...
no. hard to be compasionate here unless it is a ruse.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (zZJJp)

105 The Republicans should not fight at all. I'm not supporting them.

We sent Tea Party people to Congress and Repub's shit all over them.

So who are Repub's holding the line for now?

Not me.

I'm not bitching about Repub's rolling over. They don't represent me anyway.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 08:53 PM (AzwZn)

106 Enforcement and then immediately after, a guarantee of amnesty. That would change everything. If you had a Rubio arguing that it would completely up-end all the ethnic alignments.

This.

Secure. The. Fucking. Border. Then provide a path to citizenship. Send back any illegals convicted of violent crime.

No others are going to be sent back. Ever. They are here to stay. Stop the next wave for fuck's sake. A virtual fence. An actual fence. The military. Whatever it takes. We're the only nation that has to apologize for have a border.

We will have a secure border. You are welcome to come in, but you will enter by light of day, give your name, and reveal your intentions. If we can get 40% of Hispanic voters to be OK with that, fine.If that is too extreme for some of them, fuck 'em.

If Identity Politics is all the rage, let's play it. If Dems can appeal to their ethnic base, the GOP should begin overtly appealing to it's base. We didn't write the rules, I don't like them, but I'm done trying to live up to a higher standard then the Left.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 08:53 PM (9G+G5)

107 Heres how we win elections from here on out. We tell the conservatives to just kind of shut up during the campaign because we are going to pander like hell to the "honey boo boo's" that want free shit from the government. Then when we get elected, we tell the honey boo boo's to go fuck themselves.

But that plan needs for Republicans to act like Dems to know they may get screwed on some minor issues, when the big issues happen, they know that the GOP officials will vote the right way.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 08, 2012 08:53 PM (Zd/NW)

108 haha , Merovign, you do creepy really well!

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 08:46 PM (hX8cq)


Why, thank you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 08:53 PM (bxiXv)

109 They said root canal, I said noo, take it out
now.molar and tooth beside it, molar cracked the tooth beside it.can't
see tht thankfully.


Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 08:51 PM (hX8cq)


Ouch. You can have the rest of the wine.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 08:53 PM (Gk3SS)

110 Yup, bring 'em all up North, so they can vote Democrat.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at November 08, 2012 08:53 PM (O+LNZ)

111
The crisis will feed itself and no one will be able to stop it.



Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 08:53 PM (sRus3)

112 Maybe we can join the Whigs?

Posted by: Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 08:54 PM (NIZHJ)

113 Well, this meme needs to die. The GOP got their asses handed to them in the Senate races -- all of it Socon-related.

And then Romney couldn't seal the deal either.

The senate losses are the reason the GOP is rolling over, not the Romney loss.
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 08:44 PM (LmEvg)

Connie Mack was a Socon? Glad to know I'm getting blamed for his loss too.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 08:54 PM (BBlzg)

114 Posted by: The Lightworker at November 08, 2012 08:50 PM (50nXF)

It might be fatal for your "race," whatever that is, but it isn't fatal for your genes. I think you fail to grasp the genotype/phenotype dichotomy and the interaction between dominant and recessive alleles during gene expression.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 08:54 PM (uvzjj)

115 Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (lTVJy)

Wow. It's like reading my own post. I had the exact same experience LiB.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 08, 2012 08:54 PM (6JMZR)

116 The worst part is: if the Republicans go along with amnesty, they won't even get the political credit. Democrats started the DREAM act and amnesty nonsense. They will take credit and on top of that, show how bipartisan they are by working with the Republicans to do it.

In other words, the Republicans will win over exactly zero Latinos, independents, and undecided. They will piss off a lot of conservatives.

Nicely done, gents.

Posted by: Hoi Polloi Wingnutia at November 08, 2012 08:55 PM (OPWiP)

117 Posted by: Wieters at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (phXWT)



Wrong. Culturally, they're liberal. You can fantasize about immigrant innovation and work ethic all you want, but you're thinking is stuck in the early 20th century. The ones streaming across our borders are not innovators, or producers, or fine upstanding citizens; those people are stuck in the legal immigration process.



You must be a Libertarian from Reason.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 08, 2012 08:55 PM (8JpQH)

118 Wait, I've seen this series. Episode I - Amnesty. Episode II - Enforcement. But the program always gets cancelled before they get to Ep. II. Maybe this time will be different...

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 08:55 PM (CNCfS)

119 High Walls, Wide Gates. And let's let Eastern Europeans in by equal measure.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:55 PM (QupBk)

120 Anyone ever wonder exactly how many proggie operatives are working from inside the Republican Party? It's at least a quarter to one third. They did it while we slept.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (6JMZR)

121 19 How much shit are they trying to fling at us at one time?Posted by: NCKate at November 08, 2012 08:33 PM (MsQkt) A lot. Boehner knows if he waits to long, he'll face resistance. I've been fine with amnesty with no citizenship. Also, no welfare either. But the border must be closed FIRST.But Boehner will go along with granting amnesty, with birthright citizenship, and a 'promise' to close the borders, that will promptly be forgotten. Does this idiot really think he can out-Santa-Claus the Santa Claus Party? After amnesty, they'll want citizenship granted. If the GOP goes down this path, it will destroy them. And I'll be happy to help run every one of these bastards out.Hispanics from most of the central American nations and south America aren't coming here because they want freedom. They are coming here because they want more free shit than their governments can provide. They are not conservatives and can't begin to understand American Conservatism, because the entire notion is completely alien to them.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (2rf52)

122 You just got your asses whipped, by a bunch of goddamn Reds. ... REDS!

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (EX+sq)

123 The important thing is for the GOP to become the Left. That's a position.
Thanks crying man.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (+paCV)

124 It is near the time a critical mass of people will abandon the GOP.

A new party is likely already forming.

Expect at least ten years of chaos.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (sRus3)

125 TAX WELFARE!

Posted by: conielu at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (i0aCV)

126 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (IDypm)

127 The GOP: Standing athwart history, shouting "Single file line!"

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (IlZPo)

128 fuck illegal aliens...no matter where they are from.

nothing like going into a restroom at a restaurant here in LA and finding a trash basket full used asswipe because the illegals w*rking in the kitchen would throw it on the floor otherwise, because that's what you do in Meh-hi-co.

what's even better is calling the health department about it and having them do nothing.

i can only imagine what the food handling techniques and hand washing practices are in the kitchens. these days i check out the RR before we take a table, on the rare days we can afford to go out. if i see that, i come back out and tell the manager i'm not eating in a latrine and go down the street.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 08, 2012 08:56 PM (8MasJ)

129 Anyone seen a tally on layoffs post election?

Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (RIg+t)

130 It's new party time.

I get the urge, but you will have to expend 50 times the effort to create a viable third party as you would inflencing the existig GOP.

I keep telling you guys how easy it is to run for your county GOP committe. Hell, run for GOP State Committee. You know who wins? The person lucky enough to win the top ballot position. That person gets to vote on statewide endorsements. Everyone who cares this strongly needs to get off their ass and get involved.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (9G+G5)

131 "117 The worst part is: if the Republicans go along with amnesty, they won't even get the political credit. Democrats started the DREAM act and amnesty nonsense. They will take credit and on top of that, show how bipartisan they are by working with the Republicans to do it.

In other words, the Republicans will win over exactly zero Latinos, independents, and undecided. They will piss off a lot of conservatives.

Nicely done, gents.

Posted by: Hoi Polloi Wingnutia at November 08, 2012 08:55 PM (OPWiP) "

This is an important point. If it happens, we have to make sure we get the credit.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (uvzjj)

132 Clean up on aisle 94

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (Zd/NW)

133 This business will get out of hand. It will get out of hand and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (QupBk)

134 and I don't believe that it is right to chuck a bunch of kids out when
they had no choice in being dragged or born here.... however...
------------------------------------

I hardly think returning them to their native land is "chucking them out".

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (AzwZn)

135 we're fucked. they'll ram through amnesty because the idiots in the GOP will have learned the wrong lessons from the election. But they will never ever secure the border.

Posted by: we are so screwed at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (BjJOB)

136 The GOP: Standing athwart history, shouting "Less of the same!"

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (IlZPo)

137 Hubby just read a headline saying 'Obama supporters celebrate by chanting "No more Israel" and "Kill the Jews". WTF?

Posted by: Jmel at November 08, 2012 08:58 PM (c+D8V)

138 "120 High Walls, Wide Gates. And let's let Eastern Europeans in by equal measure.

Posted by: toby928 really regrets at November 08, 2012 08:55 PM (QupBk) "

That's good!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 08:58 PM (uvzjj)

139 Sure, what the hell. Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs ofelectorial conscequences!!

Posted by: puddleglum at November 08, 2012 08:58 PM (cRcVM)

140 Have some fucking balls and deal with the issues that are crippling the nation, support from the electorate will follow.

Here is the immigration issue in a nutshell:

1. enter the US illegally
2. get free shit (including medical treatment, tuition, etc


Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 08, 2012 08:58 PM (6J+oK)

141 The irony is that had businessmen - let's assume a material number of them were conservatives/Republicans - not only not ignored but actually pushed for strict enforcement of the 1986 amnesty bargain concerning further Latino immigration, Mitt Romney would be President today.

Latinos are not 10% of the electorate today because a few Catholic mothers had 75 kids apiece. They are the dominating liberal (see Pew chart, below) cohort which put Obama over the top this time because businesses wanting cheap labor imported them.

Sometimes just obeying the law is the very best policy in the long run. This time, at least as far as the Latino vote for Obama went, we bitterly reaped precisely what we sowed.

Posted by: Paul at November 08, 2012 08:58 PM (H1pHp)

142
Same old fucking GOP establishment idiots. They really think that illegal aliens will support them if they become Democrat-lite. They believe that the key to success is to move toward decimation of the rule of law andof the Constitution, just as they do it just a little bit slower than Democrats.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 08:58 PM (8cOY0)

143 As soon as an amnesty looks ready to be made the migrants will flood in.

The USA will have committed suicide and called reform.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 08:59 PM (sRus3)

144 I'm gonna call it guys.

It's new party time.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (uhAkr)

If it is time for that, we need to have someone from a very safe R district or state in Congress to start it.

All conservatives effort should then placed in that small area.

You win one seat, then we at least have an authentic voice for our concerns.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 08:59 PM (BBlzg)

145 First you fire the Drunk Weeper of the House.

Then you seal the border.

Then you end all freebies to non-citizens.

Then you shut down the business that hire illegals.

the leeches will self deport. Works every time.

Posted by: TexBob at November 08, 2012 08:59 PM (pUOpM)

146 But they will never ever secure the border.

And don't we know it.

Posted by: Hezbollah at November 08, 2012 08:59 PM (IDypm)

147 I'm going to be an optimist and assume there aren't actually the votes in the House GOP to pass a "comprehensive" amnesty.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 08, 2012 08:59 PM (2ihLK)

148 I really admired the way the House stood up to Obama last term.
Why not just crown the fucking SCOAMF?

Posted by: Daybrother at November 08, 2012 08:59 PM (+paCV)

149 134
This business will get out of hand. It will get out of hand and we'll be lucky to live through it if the SMOD hits soon.

FIFY

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 08, 2012 09:00 PM (IlZPo)

150 @101speaker is channelling neville chamberlain

Posted by: pd at November 08, 2012 09:00 PM (6evzX)

151 This sounds like a great way for the GOP to lose the House in 2014. Doom

Posted by: carolina at November 08, 2012 09:00 PM (dmqAl)

152 Wait a minute, we're passing around booze and cupcakes? And peering through windows at AtC's Mittens? And I got left in the circular firing thread???


*pouts and mutters*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:00 PM (GEICT)

153 This is an important point. If it happens, we have to make sure we get the credit.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 08:57 PM (uvzjj)

Yeah, let's look up how to do that.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:00 PM (sRus3)

154 The question is moot.

Posted by: mayan calendar at November 08, 2012 09:01 PM (QupBk)

155

Go ahead Boehner, push that Amnesty button. See what happens. I'm willing to give support in the future to the GOP and work within that party, but if they push Amnesty again, it's fucking over.

I swear to God I'll vote straight Dem in the next election.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 09:01 PM (Z6XSF)

156 I am surprised it's taken this long. Reagan tried it, after all.

It didn't work. Made things worse.


We're already screwed, this just brings it even faster.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 09:01 PM (2rMmy)

157 Remember when the Democrats sacrificed the house for Obamacare?

Do you think the GOP would >ever< do anything like that?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 09:01 PM (uhAkr)

158
For those that live close to the border or in hub cities (for drugs and/or illegals) this is our reality already.

It is like what others have said, with the addition of farm animals in suburbs, many pitbulls and cars all over lawns, besides private food banks and every other kind of help being maxed out.

Crosswalks and red lights. It's as if they don't exist. Groups of mothers with many strollers leisurely cross streets with 40 to 50 mph traffic.

Attitude is growing too. Some places, while not 100% off limits, are getting there.

The future is here already for me.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 09:01 PM (W+Itt)

159 My decoder ring can't crack the SMOD.

Posted by: Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 09:01 PM (NIZHJ)

160 Just like in the UK, our government (both parties) want to elect a new people.

Posted by: LIGuy at November 08, 2012 09:01 PM (HYD/Y)

161 @Burn the Witch

Culturally, they're liberal? What does that even mean? There's socially and then there's fiscally; "culturally" sounds like some pigeonholed way of fitting whatever square-ish stereotype that you hold into the circle-ish reality?

Similarly, regardless as to what you perceive of Hispanics as (i.e. not as hard-working as my Irish grandpappy!), immigrants are innovators/driven [italics]by nature[italics]...

Posted by: Wieters at November 08, 2012 09:02 PM (phXWT)

162 the problem with cheetos .
must haves , wet wipes and minutes to wash hands.
takes three wet wipes (just in case you wanted to know)

Merovign, welcome

alex, oooh i get the wine?
heck maybe i can hurt myself and get all the cupcake

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:02 PM (hX8cq)

163 I leave the Republican party forever if they help with amnesty.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 09:02 PM (W+Itt)

164 remove birthright,... that's a good start.

For me, amnesty would have to include a contract that said recipient could never (NEVER) collect any form of welfare, SSI, section 8, AFDC, etc. beyond a plane flight back to their homeland.

If they turn that down, well that says a lot right there, doesn't it.


Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 08, 2012 09:02 PM (zZJJp)

165 Girls, let's do the SMOD dance.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (GrtrJ)

166 "Same old fucking GOP establishment idiots. They really think that illegal aliens will support them if they become Democrat-lite. They believe that the key to success is to move toward decimation of the rule of law andof the Constitution, just as they do it just a little bit slower than Democrats."

Like I've been saying, an upside to losing the election is that no real conservative will take the GOP seriously anymore.

If we ever manage to rebuild ourselves, it is possible we may see something close to a true Republican party.


Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (Td9D+)

167 If you do nothing, they'll keep pouring across, consuming government fun packs and probably voting.

Might as well compromise if it means securing the border.

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (EX+sq)

168 I'm not terribly interested in snark and insults, there are a lot of assumptions that need to be examined before we start thinking of playing Santa Claus

Does culture matter? Is our republic based in any kind of culture?

Would a significant influx of immigrants in a short period of time change that culture?

Is there no danger in making citizenship trivial?

Why should we assume that another 'this far and no further' would be different than any other bargain with the Left? That is, what evidence would overwhelm the history of making bargains with the Left?

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (SX6wc)

169 Seriously, I figure the GOP has one more chance to get it right before a new party starts to coalesce.

There's no hope for the GOP to start to get it right with its current Congressional leadership.

So, there you go.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (IlZPo)

170 Every time I see a comment crapping on SoCons I will repeat -

Libertarian Gary Johnson split the R vote taking 1FUCKING MILLION VOTES.


You own that Libertarians.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (+VMZ0)

171 Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 08, 2012 08:59 PM (2ihLK)

Only need like 25 Repubs to flip.... and for this there may be that many votes if Boner cries out for support...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (lZBBB)

172
157
The GOP passing amnesty will and should end the party. It will officially have become useless as tits on a bull. At that point maybe we all should register as Democrats just to cause chaos in their party.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 09:04 PM (8cOY0)

173 Guess what? Obama will get the credit not Republicans. And it will ensure that Latinos remain tied to the party of Santa Claus. So if you are not going to get any credit, why do it?

I lived in San Diego for years. If you saw what illegal immigration did to destroy schools, hospitals, neighborhoods, jobs, trades and wages you would never agree to this nonsense.

Posted by: Opinionator at November 08, 2012 09:04 PM (H14Av)

174 Have some fucking balls and deal with the issues that are crippling the nation, support from the electorate will follow.
---------------------------------

The "nation" just voted for more crippling.

Catch up to reality.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 09:04 PM (AzwZn)

175 This is an important point. If it happens, we have to make sure we get the credit.

More urgent than credit is STOPPING THE FLOW OF MILLIONS OF DEMOCRAT VOTERS ENTERING OUT COUNTRY. Anyone with an opinion on this issue needs to explain how they would secure the border, in a way that is politically realistic, not just blog bravado.

This is bigger than the next election.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:04 PM (9G+G5)

176 Awesome. Now, can someone tell me why this fuck continues to stick his neck out on every major issue instead of letting Obama wade into the waters first? Jesus he's an idiot. EVEN IF THE GOP IS READY TO MOVE ON IMMIGRATION LET OBAMA TAKE THE LEAD SO HE TAKES THE HEAT. This guy man...

Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 09:04 PM (arczc)

177 There's a lot to criticize Boehner for.

But I don't why people are complaining that he said "Obamacare is now the law of the land."

It's true, isn't it? That's (in large part) what this election was about. Thanks to John Roberts, the SC definitively decided on its constitutionality-- that door is closed. And John Roberts basically said: it's up to the voters to save themselves from Obamacare. The Supreme Court can't save you.

Guess what, the American people didn't save themselves. (Unless vote fraud made our attempt to save ourselves moot.) It's too late to do anything now. Once Obamacare is fully implemented (as it now will be), it will be politically impossible to extirpate it. This election was our last chance.

If you didn't vote for Romney in 2012, you voted for Obamacare.

It is now, permanently, for all intents and purposes, the law of the land.

Alas. Hate Boehner for a lot of things, but don't hate him for stating a fact. It's the terrible truth. Obamacares is now the law of the land.

Posted by: lael at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (tUcg9)

178 I was around when Ike started trying to control the border.
Strange.
If I thought slipping over the border would get me free shit and I could illegally vote I'd be in Baja tomorrow.


I think I'll look at Panama.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (+paCV)

179 Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (+VMZ0)

So... you'll piss off us Libertarians who DID support Romney... as the lesser of two evils...

Way to built the future...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (lZBBB)

180 i say yes.
but they have to stay in California and NY, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Boston for 220 years and cannot vote in national elections

also no freebies until they have paid taxes for 40 years

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (hX8cq)

181 167 Girls, let's do the SMOD dance.

I was thinking about the medically induced coma thing myself.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (Qxdfp)

182 Burned cut-

Culture is exactly right. I'm for allowing immigrants in at a pace that allows them to become Americans rather than a pace that makes us the place they fled.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (+VMZ0)

183
Hopeless at November 08, 2012 08:34 PM (QULDk)
Learn a skilled tade.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (+9AX9)

184 Similarly, regardless as to what you perceive of Hispanics as

Look about you, man. Mexicans are hard working proud people who take advantage of every freebie offered. They're poor and strangers and they will take every advantage without shame to help their families. With youth and minority unemployment what it is, we cannot afford importing competition for entry and lower wage jobs either.

Posted by: toby928 at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (QupBk)

185 The electorate just voted for gridlock. I have never seen a stronger mandate for gridlock.

Posted by: Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (NIZHJ)

186 Jesus H Christ... I left the Libertarian Party for this?

Posted by: skinnydipinacid at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (WuCLB)

187 So despite this "naturally conservative-valued demographic" and the fact that even after three generations, they'll still vote ~60% Democrat, the politically sage resolution is to grant amnesty?

Great plan. I hear there's a business plan where you sell products and take a loss on each unit... but you make up the losses on volume.

We are "led" by incompetents. And political hacks.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (eHIJJ)

188 Scorched Earth. Give amnesty to those in California, Oregon, Washington, New Mexico. Places where traditional immigrants tend to work in.

Overload the system. Break the Democrat run State Governments.

Scorched Earth, baby!

Posted by: dee dee ramone at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (UdPlZ)

189 oh hell freebies galore, but in those states and not federally funded.
add Washington DC to that list

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (hX8cq)

190 Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (lTVJy)


Hey, Lady, get out of my head! You said exactly what I feel.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (2rMmy)

191
Opinionator, San Diego area is where I am speaking of.

What he says is true.

Hospitals, schools, neighborhoods. Ruined.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (W+Itt)

192 Entering OUR country.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (9G+G5)

193 Just how dumb is Krauthammer? The "Amnesty just this once, and then seal the borders" really worked in the 80s, didn't it, Chuck?

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (i8u8P)

194 that goes for anyone that didn't com in the front door from any country.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:07 PM (hX8cq)

195 169
If you do nothing, they'll keep pouring across, consuming government fun packs and probably voting.



Might as well compromise if it means securing the border.

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 09:03 PM (EX+sq)

And do you think a Dem administration will actually secure our southern border?
The feds are quick to ship people back to Cuba, but never from Mexico. Even if they are murderers or kill people here. Next time there is some car crash killing a bunch of people, it usually involves illegals.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 08, 2012 09:07 PM (Zd/NW)

196 Thought the narrative was that the illegals would self deport because the economy was in the shitter.

Posted by: NCKate at November 08, 2012 09:07 PM (MsQkt)

197
DIANE SAWYER: Is the Tea Party going to be by your side through this?

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: We’ve got members from all different types, all walks of life, if you will.

DIANE SAWYER: But do you think they come back changed by this election?

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: Oh, listen. I think this has been the most mis-reported story of my 2 years as tenure. We don’t have a Tea Party Caucus to speak of in the House – all of us who were elected 2010 were supported by the Tea Party. These are ordinary Americans who’ve taken a more active role in our government, they want solutions – but we’ve all come a long way over the last 2 years, and I think we all understand each other a lot better.



Well, we've got your number, that's for sure....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:07 PM (kdS6q)

198
Seriously, don't look out the window.
Or in your closet either.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:07 PM (+9AX9)

199 Hey if we lock up the border for a few years and show that illegal immigration has all but stopped, I'm fine with amnesty.

Otherwise sod off.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 09:08 PM (xAtAj)

200 Obama: The game is rigged; stay home.
Republicans: No it's not! Give us money!
[election]
Republicans: How about we rig the game some more?

I'm glad I sat this one out. I hate to think how I'd feel if I had actually invested myself in it.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 08, 2012 09:08 PM (QTHTd)

201 You guys got fucking owned.

Posted by: john at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (GnD2p)

Not as bad as Obama owned Ambassador Stevens. He got the full hope and change.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 08, 2012 09:08 PM (AWmfW)

202 Yes, yes, yes. Pass amnesty, but seal the border and remove birthright citizenship. YES!!!!

Then Bambi's court, led by weepy Roberts and five or so marxist scumbags, can remove the "unconstitutional" sealing of the border and birthright citizenship portions. We are geniuses, I tell ya.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 08, 2012 09:08 PM (6JMZR)

203 The border won't get secured after Amnesty.

Why the fuck would they do that?

The same people saying it is unfair and inhumane to control the border now will scream Amnesty made controlling the border unnecessary.

And if that doesn't work they'll still call it unfair and inhumane.

The border will never be secured as long as the Democrats and Republicans are controlling the Federal Government.

Never.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:08 PM (sRus3)

204 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 08, 2012 09:06 PM (eHIJJ)

What's your plan? Some folks seem to have the impression that we are in a position to make demands. Elections matter. We don't have the clout to back up all the tough talk.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:08 PM (9G+G5)

205 Amnesty.

And they wonder why people sat out this election.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 08, 2012 09:08 PM (Qxe/p)

206 Posted by: Who Knows


Literally hundreds of small ERs closed in Southern Cal and the border States and that was before Obamacare.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 08, 2012 09:09 PM (+paCV)

207 Just how dumb is Krauthammer? The "Amnesty just this once, and then seal the borders" really worked in the 80s, didn't it, Chuck?

------

But what exactly are we supposed to do then? We aren't deporting the 20 million. They are already leeching the system right now. Doing nothing is the same as giving them amnesty.

Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 09:09 PM (arczc)

208 One other thing. This is the only election where the Catholic Church weighed in. Not just a parish or a few priests, the American Catholic Church weighed in on the side of Romney and the Rs. Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic and had to hear the same sermons I did.

If they didn't vote R this time you can forget it.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:09 PM (+VMZ0)

209 All the conservatives who didn't vote for Romney to "send a message" to the GOP:

This is what you get. This is the result of your message. You think Romney losing to Obama was going to produce a more conservative GOP, a more conservative America?

Ha. (This is a bitter, bitter, painful laugh.)

Posted by: lael at November 08, 2012 09:09 PM (tUcg9)

210

They've had this Amnesty push prepared for quite a while. The GOP leadership has probably been working quietly behind the scenes on this for months.

This talk about "demographic shift" being the takeaway for Republicans in this loss is nothing but a GOP/White House run Psy-Op. They're just trying to condition us to accept it.


Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 09:10 PM (Z6XSF)

211 Look about you, man. Mexicans are hard working proud people who take advantage of every freebie offered.
--------------------------------------

And ship it back to Mexico.

Advantage America------ ZERO.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 09:10 PM (AzwZn)

212 leadership just wants cheap workers for their wineries.
like pelosi, and have taxpayers pay for all the other necessities like health care, food stamps, section 8

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:10 PM (hX8cq)

213 Secure the borders?

You. Are. Dreaming.

They won't even allow IDs for fucking voting!!!

Posted by: Daybrother at November 08, 2012 09:10 PM (+paCV)

214 Culture is exactly right. I'm for allowing
immigrants in at a pace that allows them to become Americans rather than
a pace that makes us the place they fled.Posted by: typo dynamofo


I don't have many answers because I'm still not sure of what happened on Tues (frankly, anyone claims to know is full of shit), but why didn't we have these kind of conversations 4 years ago?

If we can't enunciate what our principles and how we see the Republic, we're pissing in the wind.

If we can't talk about these things, something is seriously wrong.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 09:11 PM (SX6wc)

215 Amnesty is not about the credit. Look at civil rights -- the donks deserve less than zero credit, but how did that turn out?

Even if the vote was straight party line and GOP deserved and got all the credit for amnesty the result would be millions of new citizens trying to turn us into a redistributionist third world country. the GOP could not support that, so right after the amnesty vote, when the vote is for higher benefits or more free shit, the new citizens would back the donks.

There is no way the GOP or any conservative can win with amnesty. it would be selling our soul to the devil and remember the devil never pays and always collects his fee. Krauthammer, and Bush, and Rove, and all the other idiots that think the demographics are key and we need to "win the latino vote" need to spend a couple months working the inner city seeing where all that tax money goes. right now all they see are hardworking family men pushing lawnmowers.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 08, 2012 09:11 PM (zZJJp)

216 197

And do you think a Dem administration will actually secure our southern border?
The feds are quick to ship people back to Cuba, but never from Mexico. Even if they are murderers or kill people here. Next time there is some car crash killing a bunch of people, it usually involves illegals.

---

Probably not. But right now we have de facto open borders and there is zero chance of mass deportation ever happening. Anything's an improvement.

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 09:11 PM (EX+sq)

217 Good Night America, You Had a Good Run

Posted by: patch92 at November 08, 2012 09:11 PM (lP514)

218 If they didn't vote R this time you can forget it.
Posted by: typo dynamofo


They didn't.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 08, 2012 09:11 PM (+paCV)

219 So how does this work,... should a bank robber's kids get to keep the money? I am all for compassion and forgivness, but that can only happen after the crime is STOPPED, and the guilty party is contrite. I don't see a lot of contrition. i don't see anyone saying "please let my children stay and we will sign a contract that we will never take gov. money",...
no. hard to be compasionate here unless it is a ruse.
Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 08, 2012 08:52 PM (zZJJp)I don't know how it should be done. Like I said we need to stop the invasion and then figure out what to do with the rest. I like deporting criminals but they are all criminals since coming here illegally is a crime. But what do we do about the people who are not here by choice? How do we, as Americans, deal with that part of the problem. I hate the idea of amnesty. But do we give the "innocent" (so to speak) amnesty and no chance of citizenship?After we send their family home? This is, to me, the hardest part of the problem. I don't pretend to be an authority on the subject, but I do think it must be dealt with. Just please for the love of all that is holy SECURE THE DAMNED BORDER FIRST.

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 08, 2012 09:11 PM (iRgZG)

220 Posted by: Wieters at November 08, 2012 09:02 PM (phXWT)


"Culturally, they're liberal? What does that even mean?"


English, do you speak it?


"There's socially
and then there's fiscally; "culturally" sounds like some pigeonholed way
of fitting whatever square-ish stereotype that you hold into the
circle-ish reality?"




No, that would be you projecting your racist attitudes onto me.


"Similarly, regardless as to what you perceive of Hispanics as (i.e. not
as hard-working as my Irish grandpappy!), immigrants are
innovators/driven [italics]by nature[italics]..."



Ahh, more stereotypes instead of working knowledge of history. It's not my perception, genius. It's reality. The millions of illegal aliens in this country are Hispanic, and those same illegal immigrants are "innovating" by depressing wages and providing unfair competition by affording some businesses the opportunity to lower their labor margins illegally.


So you keep spouting that theoretical bullshit over at Reason. It doesn't fly here in the face of real data and demographics.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 08, 2012 09:12 PM (8JpQH)

221 The border will never be secured as long as the Democrats and Republicans are controlling the Federal Government. Never.

Never is about the same time we'll deport people here. What's your plan?

If they're staying, and they are, I'd much rather have a shot at securing the border then taking my ball and going home, or making demands we can't back up. Deportation is not politically popular. Neither is open borders. Make amnesty contigent on border control

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:12 PM (9G+G5)

222 5 I say this every time illegal immigration comes up, but dammit, it's worth saying.

There are people who spend 7-10 years waiting to immigrate LEGALLY, because the system is so junked up with illegals. These people remain in their home country, often at risk to themselves and family, because they want to do it the right way. Because they really love America, and want to be Americans.

So let's just shit on them some more, Mkay?????
Posted by: moki at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (wi/sM)

THANK YOU, moki. My brother has been waiting for his green card for probably 5 years. My whole family came here legally and those of us that are here are here legally. What about us? Do we not count?

And my one brother has a Master's in computer science and the other one will get his next year. They are assets to this country, yet no one talks about people like us.

If the GOP does this, they'll be setting this country up for a permanent democratic majority.

Stupid.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 09:12 PM (6zgse)

223 SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: 11:15. I saw the
handwriting on the wall for a couple of hours, and at 11:15, the race
was, in my view, finished, and I went to sleep. And slept like a baby.





Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 08:50 PM (kdS6q)

Of all the nerve! Yeah, WTF does he care....no worries for him. Fuckin' bureaucrat.
OMG...I really wish I hadn't read that......

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 09:12 PM (X6akg)

224 185
Hopeless at November 08, 2012 08:34 PM (QULDk)


Try it at age 43.

Posted by: . at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (hyP1j)

225 I have this sinking feeling that the only thing that's going to make the Feds close the border is a Hezbollah attack based from one of the Mexican border cities.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (IDypm)

226 Ever heard of Proposition 187?

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (i8u8P)

227 I think I want to join willow and alex's party. What can I bring?

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (1hNQS)

228 Burned-
I did. Been talking culture for years. Problem is I'm just a dumb redneck carpenter.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (+VMZ0)

229 Boehner must go.

Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (RIg+t)

230

"We aren't deporting the 20 million."

This is a lie. We've been deporting over 500,000 to 700,000 every year for the last decade.

If we do nothing but seal the borders and deny services and employment to illegals, even without mass increase in deportations, the twenty million here will be gone back to their country of birth within one decade.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (Z6XSF)

231 80
Latinos self-identify as conservatives at a higher percentage than whites, or anyone else for that matter.

There is also a strong economic argument behind legalizaing immigration. Not only do they start paying taxes etc., but further, they buoy the declining fertility rates of whites/asians. Do you want to be a Japan/Sweden with its looming crisis of upside-down population pyramids?

Immigrant drive/innovation, to boot.Posted by: Wieters at November 08, 2012 08:48 PM (phXWT) That doesn't actually make them conservative. Douche. Fuck off.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (2rf52)

232 o heck, borders , we are not allowed to have borders and immigration standards like other countries, It's mean.

Hey Washington DC needs more people! send everyone there.
I've heard the economy is great there.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (hX8cq)

233 Shit filter's full.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (JDIKC)

234 and I went to sleep. And slept like a baby.

======


And didn't go to sleep....he passed out drunk. Fuckin' lush.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (X6akg)

235
Sorry, but I'm pissed at GWB and keep getting more pissed. Legalizing non-English speaking invaders to our sovereign nation was crucial, but he couldn't have cared less about cutting spending and reducing government. If I hear one of my Republican friends start reminscing about the good old days of Dubya, I will throw an ashtray at them.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (8cOY0)

236 "210 One other thing. This is the only election where the Catholic Church weighed in. Not just a parish or a few priests, the American Catholic Church weighed in on the side of Romney and the Rs. Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic and had to hear the same sermons I did.

If they didn't vote R this time you can forget it.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:09 PM (+VMZ0) "

That's not really true. Hispanics aren't stupid. They know the Ds are a lot less likely to deport their relatives than the Rs, and they vote/justify accordingly.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:14 PM (uvzjj)

237 Mainstream Republicans love them some illegal aliens because they like cheap labor for business.

Mainstream Democrats love them some illegal aliens because they are reliable dem voters, will help to Cloward-Piven the system, and provide an underclass for dems to paternally take care of.

It doesn't matter--when the collapse comes, they'll self-deport, just like a bunch of them did when everything went to hell in 2008. Lifestyle will always be cheaper in a third-world country.

Posted by: Palandine at November 08, 2012 09:14 PM (g7D8V)

238 Boner also said, "Raising Taxes is Unacceptable."*

* but doable ;-)

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 09:14 PM (MmH0Z)

239 "In that case, starting (or building up) a third party will be the only
game in town. It is a horrible idea, in view of how the American
electoral system works. But if it's that or accept genocide by chronic
mass immigration and forced integration, you do what you have to to try
to survive."


I don't think that's how it will work.

If a third party is set up, the GOP will wither and die very quickly, like the Whigs did. There will be two parties, just Dems and the new party.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 09:14 PM (uhAkr)

240 They won't even allow IDs for fucking voting!!!Posted by: Daybrother

Pay attention. Nationally the voters agree with our stance on the issue. The Dem's are losing there.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 09:14 PM (SX6wc)

241 I remember a dipshit Democrat saying that we couldn't put American troops on our borders because they weren't trained for that.

Apparently they are only trained to protect the border in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 09:14 PM (AzwZn)

242 At that point maybe we all should register as Democrats just to cause chaos in their party.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 09:04 PM (8cOY0)

I... Actually kinda like this. In an evil way. Trouble is, campaign contributions are public record, so they'd catch me right away.

Posted by: Secundus at November 08, 2012 09:14 PM (2mq8Z)

243 I think I want to join willow and alex's party. What can I bring?

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (1hNQS)

brownies?

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:14 PM (hX8cq)

244 My great great great grandfather came over in 1640. He worked SEVEN years as an indentured servant to pay for the boat ride. He did not get shit, but citizenship after those SEVEN years.

I think that would work for me now. Let every fucking one come to the USA, and work for seven years to earn their citizenship.

We do that now with immigrants willing to serve in the military.

This is a nation of immigrants. Learn English, work, enjoy!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (wR+pz)

245 Mark Levin slamming Boehner on this right now.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (Z6XSF)

246 I could have used some boner amnesty back in 8th grade when the teacher called me to the board.
Posted by: Free Shit Mafia LOL.

Posted by: Cheri at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (EAgmr)

247 must haves , wet wipes and minutes to wash hands.
takes three wet wipes (just in case you wanted to know)

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:02 PM (hX8cq)


Food-grade plastic or nitrile gloves. For any messy food.

You're welcome.

(hey, sure, people will think it's weird, but so is three wet-wipes)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (bxiXv)

248 Armando.. are you kidding? While I have no doubt that will happen, it still won't cause them to close the border. Nothing will. These fucktards in DC live so inside the beltway they have no clue what the rest of us face every day. I hate them all right now. Except Paul Ryan. And Rubio.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (1hNQS)

249 One other thing. This is the only election where the Catholic Church weighed in. Not just a parish or a few priests, the American Catholic Church weighed in on the side of Romney and the Rs. Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic and had to hear the same sermons I did.

If they didn't vote R this time you can forget it.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:09 PM (+VMZ0)

Unfortunately looking at exit polls, they didn't get it.

Hispanic Catholics went with Obama significantly, likely because no one in the Church has the guts to tell them that just being poor doesn't entitle them to stuff and that they are voting for a man who hates the Church.

42% of White Catholics WHO GO TO MASS WEEKLY voted for Obama.

The Bishops and Priests may have cared a little more this time but they failed.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (BBlzg)

250 Don't worry about it Jake,
Its Rinatown

Posted by: some dope at November 08, 2012 09:16 PM (+kznc)

251 SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: Oh, listen. I think this has been the
most mis-reported story of my 2 years as tenure. We don’t have a Tea
Party Caucus to speak of in the House – all of us who were elected
2010 were supported by the Tea Party. These are ordinary Americans
who’ve taken a more active role in our government, they want solutions
– but we’ve all come a long way over the last 2 years, and I think
we all understand each other a lot better.



You know, after Tuesday, I had this crazy thought that I was pretty much done with voting. That the Republicans were stupid, they didn't know what they were doing and my vote didn't mean shit no matter what because this country was too far gone.

Then I read this...and I realize I'm right. Thanks Speaker Boehner. You have cleared my mind. I was pretty sure that you guys didn't give a shit about me but I've been voting for you for years, even though the results sucked. Now I know there is no point.

Yep, this may piss you off, but all I want right now is SMOD. Frankly, this country is too far gone. The electorate is too far gone. The people on our side do not really believe in what we believe in. They'll give lip service all day, but they don't have the stones to actually do anything.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 08, 2012 09:16 PM (GrtrJ)

252 Glaucoma Medicine Brownies?

Posted by: Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 09:16 PM (NIZHJ)

253 236 Shit filter's full.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (JDIKC)



You must've visited the previous thread.


Btw, I tried to convince Ace to give you BanHammer privileges for the evening. Apparently it's a no go. Lol.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:16 PM (GEICT)

254 "All the conservatives who didn't vote for Romney to "send a message" to the GOP:

This is what you get. This is the result of your message. You think Romney losing to Obama was going to produce a more conservative GOP, a more conservative America?"

The guys who ragequit on Romney aren't trying to produce a more conservative GOP, they are trying to destroy the GOP because they know it is worthless. I'm beginning to agree with them.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:16 PM (Td9D+)

255 One other thing. This is the only election where the Catholic Church weighed in. Not just a parish or a few priests, the American Catholic Church weighed in on the side of Romney and the Rs. Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic and had to hear the same sermons I did.
--------------------------------------

Obama won the Catholic vote.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 09:16 PM (AzwZn)

256 246
I think I want to join willow and alex's party. What can I bring?



Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:13 PM (1hNQS)



More booze.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 08, 2012 09:17 PM (GrtrJ)

257 I did. Been talking culture for years. Problem is I'm just a dumb redneck carpenter.Posted by: typo dynamofo

No, not us. I meant our supposed betters at the helm of the GOP.

They don't want to discuss the whole point of being a conservative. They are afraid engaging the public in a discussion.

That kind of timidity won't give us the next election.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 09:17 PM (SX6wc)

258 willow.. with or without nuts?

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:17 PM (1hNQS)

259 Not only do they start paying taxes etc.,


Hey, I live din CA for 25 years. NO they do not start paying taxes. Assuming that was the mistake Reagan made in the 80s.

They keep working under the table for cash. The only tax they pay is sales tax at the store, and if they buy all their food at swap meet/farmer's markets, they don't even pay that.

And in the meantime, they are still getting the food stamps, etc.

Look, I have no real beef with all the individual illegals who used to be my neighbors; I preferred them to the white assholes, but believe me, they aint gonna pay taxes.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 09:17 PM (2rMmy)

260 "210 One other thing. This is the only election where the Catholic Church weighed in. Not just a parish or a few priests, the American Catholic Church weighed in on the side of Romney and the Rs. Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic and had to hear the same sermons I did. If they didn't vote R this time you can forget it. Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:09 PM (+VMZ0) "

I've said this before and I'll say it again: The Catholic *leadership* opposes Obama. A lot-- maybe most-- of the people in the pews are Obama cretins.

Posted by: Secundus at November 08, 2012 09:17 PM (2mq8Z)

261 @247

I should mention in 1647 he was still an English subject, but he paid for the trip.

And in VA he got to vote for the House of Burgess.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:17 PM (wR+pz)

262 10 First you stop the leak, then you figure out what to do with all the water. Otherwise one will be pumping water out forever to no effect.

The same is true for immigration.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at November 08, 2012 08:31 PM (KCvsd)

So the first step is to make more leaks. Gee thanks.

We've well and truly been sold down the river.

Posted by: chaz at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (sSNkG)

263 We still are required to show voter IDs in Georgia. And I can't go in a doctor's office with my insurance card without a photo ID.

Good grief. You couldn't get into the Dem Convention without showing your photo ID at least three times.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (UOM48)

264 GOP moving left 2 days after election. So now we have an uberleft D party and the R's are where the D's used to be a few years ago. I can see where this is going.

Remember: Romney lost because of poor campaigning ;-)

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (MmH0Z)

265 They'll never ever build a wall. Why would the left turn off the vote hose and why would some in power on the right give up the cheap labor.

Posted by: flyonthewall at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (pePug)

266 Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (BBlzg)

See 239.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (uvzjj)

267 I've said this before and I'll say it again: The Catholic *leadership* opposes Obama. A lot-- maybe most-- of the people in the pews are Obama cretins.
Posted by: Secundus at November 08, 2012 09:17 PM (2mq8Z)

What makes you think a lot of the leadership opposes him? I think a lot of them still don't understand how evil he actually is.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (BBlzg)

268 139
Hubby just read a headline saying 'Obama supporters celebrate by chanting "No more Israel" and "Kill the Jews". WTF?

Posted by: Jmel at November 08, 2012 08:58 PM (c+D8V)

I hope Jon Stewart loves it.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (AWmfW)

269 250 Food-grade plastic or nitrile gloves. For any messy food.

You're welcome.

(hey, sure, people will think it's weird, but so is three wet-wipes)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (bxiXv)




Nah, we understand. Skinning hobos is nasty work.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (GEICT)

270 Wait a minute, we're passing around booze and cupcakes? And peering
through windows at AtC's Mittens? And I got left in the circular firing
thread???





*pouts and mutters*



It's because we're better.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (Gk3SS)

271 61
> The GOP got their asses handed to them in the Senate races -- all of it Socon-related.

NOT all of it..we just lost a potential new Senate seat in MT due to a fucking Libertarian douchebag.

Posted by: Jeanne the Obscure at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (cFVV7)

272 Obama won the Catholic vote.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 09:16 PM (AzwZn)

Where did you see that?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (wR+pz)

273

The closest that the GOP elites like Boehner will ever get to the "Latino Vote"
is ordering a blended Margarita "sin sal"at their local El Torito on Cinco de Quattro.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (Z6XSF)

274 brownies?
Posted by: willow Hey can I come? You know Im in Colorado so I could bring some really "Special Choom" brownies! The way I feel now, it actually doesn't seem like a bad idea. No election hangover....just choomin' bliss.

Posted by: Cheri at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (EAgmr)

275 That's right, give illegals a free ticket in. They'll then vote for the free Skittles Party. The fucking stoopid burns and Boner is the stoopidest of them fucking all.

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (N2yhW)

276 One other thing. This is the only election where the Catholic Church weighed in. Not just a parish or a few priests, the American Catholic Church weighed in on the side of Romney and the Rs. Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic and had to hear the same sermons I did.
-------------------------------------

And Obama won Hispanics 72-28.

Posted by: Ronin at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (AzwZn)

277 willow.. with or without nuts?

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:17 PM (1hNQS)

I'm not nutty enough?
without ...my phantom tooth hurts

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (hX8cq)

278 Does culture matter? Is our republic based in any kind of culture? Would a significant influx of immigrants in a short period of time change that culture? Is there no danger in making citizenship trivial?

Yes to all. Everyone knows it. But when it comes to Western Culture, and the European American culture that created the greatest nation in history, you just can't mention it. Which is our fault. Once again letting the Left dictate the terms of the debate.

Why should we assume that another 'this far and no further' would be different than any other bargain with the Left? That is, what evidence would overwhelm the history of making bargains with the Left?

Assume nothing. The Left/Democrats will do whatever they can that does not jeopardize them politically. That's how politics works. We need to make it politically dangerous for them to advocate open borders.

Why go down this road? Because we have no choice. We waited too long.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (9G+G5)

279 Dangergirls right, we'll all need more wine.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (hX8cq)

280 172
Every time I see a comment crapping on SoCons I will repeat -
Libertarian Gary Johnson split the R vote taking 1FUCKING MILLION VOTES.
You own that Libertarians.


Posted by: typo dynamofo

If the GOP can't deliver on the economy (see 2000-2006 GOP Congress), gets us into clusterfuck wars that it couldn't win a declaration of war on, and wants to double down on the social issues, why should we vote GOP? We didn't split the vote; you didn't earn ours. If the GOP had said: 1) time to end the federal prohibition on cannabis; and 2) gay marriage is a state thing, it would have done a lot better. If all it's got is Obama sucks and tax cuts, it's not long for the ash heap of history.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (dZ756)

281 The border will never be secured as long as the Democrats and Republicans are controlling the Federal Government. Never.

Never is about the same time we'll deport people here. What's your plan?

If they're staying, and they are, I'd much rather have a shot at securing the border then taking my ball and going home, or making demands we can't back up. Deportation is not politically popular. Neither is open borders. Make amnesty contigent on border control
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:12 PM (9G+G5)

HaHaHa.

Just who will do that? The Democrats? The Republicans?

As soon as amnesty is granted prospects for Conservatives and other like-minded folks will vanish. Poof. Just like that.

40 million Mexicans will become American Citizens overnight and they will never vote for smaller government.

It is a suicide pill.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (sRus3)

282 Lets all vote in the Dem. primarys for the least likey person to win.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (+9AX9)

283 Someone told me this Allen guy has a blog. Anyone heard about that?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:21 PM (wR+pz)

284 Cheri of course!

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:21 PM (hX8cq)

285 The American Catholic Church ignore their Bishops when the Bishop's message goes against the union or their ladyparts.


Not the devout Catholics, but your average Catholic.


And I'm sorry but I also think the Catholic Church is culpable in some of this socialist crap that is being embraced. They love them some Social Justice, at least in CA. They're the ones who started the whole "no human being is illegal" meme.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 09:21 PM (2rMmy)

286 Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:21 PM (1hNQS)

287 Nate and Mirror

I agree. They failed. That was my point. The Church may an extraordinary decision to be vocal and yet the Hispanics voted for O.


Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:21 PM (+VMZ0)

288 Fat Man

http://youtu.be/4IYRgQ9tYSg

Posted by: sTevo at November 08, 2012 09:21 PM (VMcEw)

289 That's right, give illegals a free ticket in. They'll then vote for the free Skittles Party. The fucking stoopid burns and Boner is the stoopidest of them fucking all

What's your plan, and how do you achieve it politically?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (9G+G5)

290 girls, although Merovign is watching so ...
keep bras on.

or maybe not.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (hX8cq)

291 Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (BBlzg)

See 239.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (uvzjj)

Look at surveys on Hispanics from institutions like Pew Research. There is nothing there that suggests they would become more Republican even if Amnesty was enacted because they pick up the crappy pop culture.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (BBlzg)

292 Florida bitches. How's that electoral college prediction going for you Ace? You guys got fucking owned.
Posted by: john at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (GnD2p)

We ALL got owned, buddy. The libs just don't realize it yet.

Posted by: yinzer at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (2GZPT)

293 Until Mike Huckabee and his ilk are purged from the party, the Democrats will have plenty of fodder with which to pummel us.

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (EX+sq)

294 Well, this is embarrassing. Greg is sticking his dick up my ass again.


Please let this end.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (wR+pz)

295 273 It's because we're better.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:19 PM (Gk3SS)



Your words. They hurt.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (GEICT)

296 Oh. Look. I found the SMOD dance!


http://youtu.be/c4glrmcMhKU

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (Gk3SS)

297 Okay I am heading to Alex and Willows place.. and Danger Girl. Got the brownies and a fresh bottle of wine. This is where the cool chicks are so c'mon over!!

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:23 PM (1hNQS)

298 At this point the best thing to do is open immigration (keeping track at the border to keep out criminals and give out alien SS numbers, etc) and amnesty. You can't expel millions of people without a humanitarian nightmare -- it's just wrong. So, here they are. For citizenship, just keep the same process as now.

Open immigration served very well for the USA's first 100 years and only ended because of racism and anti-catholic sentiment. I begin to believe that millions of legal, hard-bitten, hard-working immigrants are just what the USA needs.

Then again they may come here for the "social safety net", in which case they'll assimilate all the sooner.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 09:23 PM (3ar4L)

299 "The GOP got their asses handed to them in the Senate races -- all of it Socon-related."


Hello, we exist.

Posted by: Scott Brown and Linda McMahon at November 08, 2012 09:23 PM (uhAkr)

300 The only result will be more Democrat voters. Hispanics are naturally going to support the Dem party. They will not support the GOP.

While we lost a winnable election, I think we are long term screwed. The demographics are against us.

Conservatism is just too hard for most people. They like easy.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 09:23 PM (dX4hn)

301 16 Islamic Rage,

Romney lost Florida and they require photo ID.

Actually,
Florida requests voter ID. If you don't have it, you are provided with a provisional ballot. In a close election, as Florida is wont to have, a few hundred strategically faked provisional ballots could turn the state around.

Posted by: Bad Sister Zoot at November 08, 2012 09:23 PM (Pmlcl)

302 Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (BBlzg)

Lawsuit over Obamacare re: contraception. And the letter on the same subject, that (IIRC) was supposed to be read aloud in church, but (in my parents' parish case) was not.

Posted by: Secundus at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (2mq8Z)

303
248
Levin has raised the point that a Speaker of the House doesn't necessarily have to be a member of the House.
I'd love it if they actually made Mark Levin the Speaker. To hell with a friendly mainstream type. Put a rabid bulldog of conservatism in there who says things that offend liberals and effete RINOs on a daily basis.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (8cOY0)

304 Your words. They hurt.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (GEICT)


I'm sorry. You may have a lemon bar.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (Gk3SS)

305 I saw a chart that showed the third generatin of hispanics were more conservative than the previous ones. Maybe they will continue the trend.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (+9AX9)

306 Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2012 08:49 PM (lTVJy)
------------------------------------------------------------

Feel the same way LB but mine started back when they passed Ocare despite the fact that it was hated. I knew then (and again when Roberts went limp) that the tipping point was at hand. The country that we knew is gone - we have an 'ends justify the means" crew in charge more than anytime in our history. I would worry more about it but I'd rather spend my time preparing to be more self sufficient, less dependent on the system and getting in the best shape possible. And spending time with those that you love - that's all that really matters anyway.

Posted by: volfan at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (RTb48)

307 297
Well, this is embarrassing. Greg is sticking his dick up my ass again.


Please let this end.




So, you feeling my pain?

Posted by: The Chicken at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (wR+pz)

308 "290 Nate and Mirror

I agree. They failed. That was my point. The Church may an extraordinary decision to be vocal and yet the Hispanics voted for O.


Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:21 PM (+VMZ0) "

Yes, but why?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (uvzjj)

309 I will add this: I'm one Libertarian who wants to mine the border. Seriously. We don't need to take anymore of the world's refuse, considering we don't have the opportunities we had a century ago when anyone could wander into the (non-government regulated) wilderness and seek their fortunes. Besides, neither my German nor my Japanese will help in L.A.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 09:25 PM (dZ756)

310 Tammy
don't be sorry i agree. In fact I tweeted something like
'Those same Hispanics that you called so many of us xenophobes for wanting them to immigrate illegally just voted for the man you told them was destroying religious freedom. DO YOU GET IT NOW, YOUR EXCELLENCIES?"

Culture matters.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:25 PM (+VMZ0)

311 At this point the best thing to do is open immigration (keeping track at
the border to keep out criminals and give out alien SS numbers, etc)
and amnesty. You can't expel millions of people without a humanitarian
nightmare -- it's just wrong.


You could crack down on employers that employ illegals. As soon as they realize there aren't any jobs available, they'll just deport themselves.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 09:25 PM (IDypm)

312 Omg. The wife is watching Glee. They just did a horrifically gay version of Jukebox Hero.


Dammit I liked that song.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:25 PM (GEICT)

313 clusterfuck wars that it couldn't win a declaration of war on

I hate this meme and those that propagate it look stupid. It's not like there is a prescribed wording for a "Declaration of War". Bush didn't go rogue and send troops on his own. Both Afghanistan and Iraq were authorized by Congress, and in the case of Iraq, after months and months of debate.

Posted by: toby928 at November 08, 2012 09:26 PM (QupBk)

314 "294 Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (BBlzg)

See 239.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:18 PM (uvzjj)

Look at surveys on Hispanics from institutions like Pew Research. There is nothing there that suggests they would become more Republican even if Amnesty was enacted because they pick up the crappy pop culture.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (BBlzg) "

Yes, but that's not really their fault, now is it. They're just trying to ... assimilate.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:26 PM (uvzjj)

315 gets us into clusterfuck wars that it couldn't win a
declaration of war on Posted by: SFGoth


Sorry, amigo, you keep on repeating this. Saddam broke the the cease-fire of 1991, and the Congress passed AUMF in 2003. Those combined offer a clear cut authorization for war. Insisting otherwise is fetishistic, wall-eyed nonsense.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 09:26 PM (SX6wc)

316 LOL Alex!! I may not look as good as her but yeah, I'm digging the dance. Just need the thigh high white boots. Funny shit.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:26 PM (1hNQS)

317 I'm sorry, but I still vehemently disagree. Nothing I can do, but this displays the complete lack of integrity prevalent in America today. Wrong is right and right wrong.

So naturally that gecomes the priority. And we will just go through this again, even as the academies demonize Christians, Southerners, males, whites in general who were born decades after abuses in question. But illegal immigrants? Saints of the Earth.

Nuts to this. Just go ahead and do it so I can say we have no integrity as a nation, just racial caste systems on who gets to break laws.

This is a lost cause, apparently, but for the record, I say "no". Never will I agree. But who cares, right? Just a "bitter clinger".

But for the record--Any other laws we are going to jettison in order to get the non-grateful Hispanic vote?

Posted by: B. at November 08, 2012 09:26 PM (l0/2k)

318
That 400 lb fatass that Ann Coulter idolizes is said to have called Obama to congratulate him on his victory.

Corey Booker for Governor!

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 09:26 PM (8cOY0)

319 What's your plan, and how do you achieve it politically?
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (9G+G5)

We are not obliged to have a plan.

But here is one.

Build the fence. Do not budge one inch on sovereignty. Not an inch. Deport all illegal migrants.

It will likely never happen, but it is the only plan that treats the USA and US Citizenship with decency and respect.



Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:26 PM (sRus3)

320 I love how these leftist idiots are like, "Ha ha, you lose, we win, neener neener neener," as if they're not totally fucked as well.

Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (BgIBZ)

321 Armando., they will not close the border. we already did this

we need jobs, we need an economy , jobs , border until we can get off our knees.
than we shoul dtalk.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (hX8cq)

322 Hannity is a jerk.

I was listening tonight to Levin and most of the show was about this and he referenced the stupidity of some on our side and I could swear he was referring to Hannity, who is a good friend of his. I almost thought he was on the verge of calling him out by name, but held back.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (XkWWK)

323 293 girls, although Merovign is watching so ...
keep bras on.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (hX8cq)


After all the nice things I've said about you, too...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (bxiXv)

324 315 Everything on there is a gay version.

Posted by: NCKate at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (MsQkt)

325 299 Oh. Look. I found the SMOD dance!


http://youtu.be/c4glrmcMhKU
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (Gk3SS)



All hail the SMOD.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (GEICT)

326
let them dems own it all,why do you think reid and axelrod are all of a sudden talking about bi-partisianship.if things get better which i doubt they get all the credit,if things turn to shit republicans own half of it.

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (qEts0)

327 "308 I saw a chart that showed the third generatin of hispanics were more conservative than the previous ones. Maybe they will continue the trend.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (+9AX9) "

And again, let's keep in mind what a lot of us think about "them."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (uvzjj)

328 Could someone tell Ace to give somebody banhammer privileges and clean up on aisle 318?

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (IDypm)

329 I love how these leftist idiots are like, "Ha ha,
you lose, we win, neener neener neener," as if they're not totally
fucked as well.

Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (BgIBZ)

you forgot and we should Play nicer, cause well THEY are nice.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:28 PM (hX8cq)

330 Funny shit.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 09:26 PM (1hNQS)


My Name Is Earl is one of my favorite shows ever.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:28 PM (Gk3SS)

331 324 I love how these leftist idiots are like, "Ha ha, you lose, we win, neener neener neener," as if they're not totally fucked as well.

Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (BgIBZ)


I think of leftist gloaters like a man with a gun to his own head shouting "Don't laugh, you're next!"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:28 PM (bxiXv)

332 The worst part is: if the Republicans go along with amnesty, they won't even get the political credit. Democrats started the DREAM act and amnesty nonsense. They will take credit and on top of that, show how bipartisan they are by working with the Republicans to do it.


.
.

*Ding*...*Ding*....*Ding*

A winnah!

Then, oh boy won't we look stoopid.


Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 08, 2012 09:28 PM (zwaoz)

333 Lawsuit over Obamacare re: contraception. And the letter on the same subject, that (IIRC) was supposed to be read aloud in church, but (in my parents' parish case) was not.
Posted by: Secundus at November 08, 2012 09:24 PM (2mq8Z)

I understand that many of them woke up due to the HSA mandate, but if they had truly understood how bad Obama is for the Church they would get more political, takes more risks, teach and catechize folks on Catholic Social Teaching (i.e. it's not a form of Pro-Life Socialism).

They needed to be pounding pavement and stop playing nice. Maybe Obama's reelection will be the wake up call they need if SCOTUS doesn't stop the mandate.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 09:28 PM (BBlzg)

334 Oh, and fuck Hannity with a hay rake. He and Mike Gallagher are two monkeys fucking a football. Toss in Hewitt and Medved, and they'd "make love" to it with happy feelings.

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 08, 2012 09:28 PM (hyP1j)

335 I think of leftist gloaters like a man with a gun to his own head shouting "Don't laugh, you're next!"

Nice. I am so stealing it.

Posted by: toby928 at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (QupBk)

336 yeah 318 is a problem.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (hX8cq)

337 CJ: "What's your plan? Some folks seem to have the
impression that we are in a position to make demands. Elections matter.
We don't have the clout to back up all the tough talk."


The plan is to vote "No." Pretty simple, actually. Yep, elections matter, and the People's House kept relatively "conservative" once again. It has enough clout now to stomp on such idiotic legislation.

If the retort is, "Well what about in two years since the GOP will lose the House just because of the amnesty vote," then what is the point of using the majority at all now? Is that the standard? Anything that would benefit the Left in two years we might as well rubberstamp now because, um, future election?

Besides, I reject the premise that Americans want amnesty. Politicians want amnesty, sure, because each party has its own interest groups pushing for it, but voters still do not. Bush/Rove's amnesty push simply crushed his administration, and even Obama didn't want to address it when he had control of everything. I think the last number I read was that at worst, ~70% of the electorate hated amnesty. That's a pretty sound rejection marker.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (eHIJJ)

338 Put a rabid bulldog of conservatism in there who says things that offend liberals and effete RINOs on a daily basis.

Works for me!

Posted by: outgoing Rep., Allen West at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (QTHTd)

339 At least see what we can get in exchange for amnesty. No birthright. Mandatory employee checks. Citizenship only after working for 7 years. Must be currently employed. No record. Hunter/Killers patrolling border zone.

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (EX+sq)

340 Yup. Newt campaigned on this.

Would really liked to have seen Newt and Obama go full on Lincoln/Douglas.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (20NzC)

341 Oh, for days we've had an influx of new hashes trying to stir up shit (as if we didn't Civil War every day anyway).

I wonder if Axelrod calls it "Operation Shitbag."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (bxiXv)

342 Moar weed!!!!!11!!11!1

Posted by: Gary Johnson at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (uhGPg)

343 Anyone else remember McVain's ad re secure the damn border. Yea, he worked on that real hard.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (Vk6ZI)

344 Yup I toyed with immigrating to the US years ago. I make over a 100k a year salary as a software engineer. Three kids, never had a day without a job. If I did I would crawl over broken glass to work to provide for my family. I'm a conservative too. In other words not a chance in hell of getting a green card. Glad I didn't do it now but it's no wonder your country is so screwed.

Posted by: james at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (1PqiV)

345 The cloward-piven crap is going to backfire as it will result in revolution that he commies won't like.

Posted by: TexBob at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (pUOpM)

346 I wish the "white power" trolls here (e.g. "The Lightworker") would fuck off.

Posted by: lael at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (tUcg9)

347 You could crack down on employers that employ illegals. As soon as they realize there aren't any jobs available, they'll just deport themselves.
Posted by: Armando I agree. However those that won't leave are the MS-13 gangbangers and their ilk. Plus do you see Cali cracking down on anyone? Maybe Texas andArizona but my homestate is screwed royally.In my experience while living in Cali is that traditionally blacks and hispanics of the lower income bracket do not get along. The Asians hate both groups. Should be an interesting few years. Where's my Choom Brownie dammit?

Posted by: Cheri at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (EAgmr)

348 I see it didn't take the word "gun" in the title to bring out the SF crowd.

"advocating an explicitly pro-White politics", really? How is that any better than minorities who insist on special treatment?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (2rMmy)

349 I hate you Boehner. And Hannity, you can eat a dick.

It's not so much as the idea of a "pathway to citizenship" as the fact that they start caving the day after. What the hell. Great plan guys.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (csi6Y)

350 The border will be sealed sometime after someone sneaks a suitcase nuke over it and kills a half a million people. I don't see it happening before then.

Or if a hundred thousand unemployed people join the Minutemen.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (bxiXv)

351 After all the nice things I've said about you, too...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (bxiXv)

hey i did add 'or not'
just in case .

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (hX8cq)

352 What's your plan, and how do you achieve it politically?

Posted by: CJ


Plan??! Take your fucking strawman somewhere else. I didn't bring up amnesty. Advice to Boner is don't walk out there and offer fucking amnesty to illegals. WTF is wrong with you?

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (N2yhW)

353 Anyone who thinks Hispanics will mellow into conservatives in a few generations is ignoring the fact of the greater than 40% rate of illegitimacy.

That will get worse and gaurantees votes for the welfare state.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (+VMZ0)

354 Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (sRus3)

You still haven't said: What. Is. Your. Plan?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (9G+G5)

355 Sidebar article.


99% Obama
1% Romney


I fucking knew it....

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (doBIb)

356 You can't expel millions of people without a humanitarian nightmare -- it's just wrong

So?
And if we do decide to enforce the law, that existed before these people INVADED US, who caused that humanitarian nightmare? The people who crept illegally over our borders, or us? I posit to you, that I did nothing to cause this, and I'll be damned if I'm blamed for the fallout. FUCK no.

Why are we responsible, always, as Americans, for the shitty choices made by others? How the fuck is this my fault, and why should I pay for it? Because, mark my words, I WILL have to shell out for these uninvited guests, as I have already.

No.

NO.

There is no political will for amnesty in the mainstream. Stop trying to create it with a false narrative.

Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (yGblt)

357 Thirsty ... so very thirsty ...

Posted by: the tree of liberty at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (QupBk)

358 318 needs to go.



318 needs to go



318 needs to go

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (hX8cq)

359 I think Trey "fuckin" Gowdy would make a great Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (Vk6ZI)

360 SCOTUS won't stop the mandate. Too many liberals.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (+9AX9)

361 BTW, I was around for the 80's version of "amnesty with enforcement". Didn't work then and nothing has changed.

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (N2yhW)

362 I hope they stole it.

The election for President of the United States of America in the year 2012, I hope was stolen.

This is the best case scenario, although the scenario will change in two years. Every two years.

The fucks who brought us the debate moderators though? They, and their power, will remain. We can't beat the refs and the opponent. We can't grant they will cheat. We need a Christie ass-raping vote-frauders live on Liveleeeek, weekly.

These bitch people, our countrybitches, understand power.

And they will more, and more, and more.

Posted by: twoslaps at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (nrr3F)

363 two monkeys fucking a football.

OH, I needed that laugh, thank you!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (2rMmy)

364
man Kimberly Guilfoyle is ho,so we got that going for us

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (qEts0)

365
And for those of you praying for a Ryan challenge for the leadership, a shot across the bows:

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: Well I’m glad that Paul Ryan is coming back to the Congress – I would expect that he would continue as Chairman of the Budget Committee – he’s – probably nobody in the Congress knows more about pro-growth economic policies than Paul Ryan. I don’t think that there’s many people in Congress who understand the entitlement crisis that we’re facing more than Paul Ryan. I think he’ll be an important voice in this discussion and in this debate.

DIANE SAWYER: Is he, because he ran (Boehner coughs) for the Vice Presidency – is he the leader of the Republican party now?

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER: Oh I wouldn’t think so. Paul Ryan’s a policy wonk – he’s involved in the cause of trying to bring his pro growth economic agenda to America and making sure that we’re doing this in a fiscally responsible way.
.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (kdS6q)

366 Could someone tell Ace to give somebody banhammer privileges and clean up on aisle 318?

You don't like the phrase "white genocide", do you? Yet, it's happened; it happened in Saint-Domingue, it happened in Rhodesia, it is happening in South Africa. Why can't it happen here?

Why is it bad to oppose white genocide, Armando? Pray, tell.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (QTHTd)

367 >>>Anyone who thinks Hispanics will mellow into conservatives in a few generations is ignoring the fact of the greater than 40% rate of illegitimacy.

This, right here. Hispanics pretend to give a crap about illegals, but they vote Democrat because most of them are actually Democrats.

Duh.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (csi6Y)

368 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (eHIJJ)

So, when do you get around to actually doing something? Actually stopping the flow of millions of Democrat voters over the border? When?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (9G+G5)

369 247 My great great great grandfather came over in 1640.
....
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:15 PM (wR+pz)


You must be one seriously old muthafucker.

I'm 65, and my great great grandfather fought in the Civil War.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (Qxe/p)

370 Welcome to our new world order. If you're white, have a job, pay your bills, you're a piece of shit lower than the lowest. All the 'minorities' are coming to take a piece of us because we have oppressed them for so many years. Mr present said they could. He has given his blessing.

Posted by: Mrs Compton at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (dX4hn)

371 Agree with other, comment 318 by "The Lightworker" deserves the banhammer.

Posted by: lael at November 08, 2012 09:33 PM (tUcg9)

372 At least see what we can get in exchange for amnesty. No birthright. Mandatory employee checks. Citizenship only after working for 7 years. Must be currently employed. No record. Hunter/Killers patrolling border zone.
Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 08, 2012 09:29 PM (EX+sq)

None of that will happen. Ever. You will get free and unbridled amnesty no matter what the law says.

Look up the 1986 Immigration law. The stuff you want is already supposed to be happening.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:33 PM (sRus3)

373 Dan Andros
‏@DanAndros







FAKE 2004 FLASHBACK: "Dems agree to everything in Bush 2nd term agenda to help America move forward"

Posted by: Calvin at November 08, 2012 09:33 PM (PPfrG)

374 I don't see how Lightworker is a white power troll. I read comment 318 and nothing in there is racist.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:33 PM (Td9D+)

375 >>>Why is it bad to oppose white genocide, Armando? Pray, tell.

You, Boulder Toilet Hobo, can also eat a dick. Have a bouquet of dicks.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 09:33 PM (csi6Y)

376 You guys got fucking owned.

Posted by: john at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (GnD2p)


Hey numbnuts, when you finally realize that "you guys" are the ones paying for everything in this country, and we decide we're done, you're the one who's going to end up fucking owned.Apparently you don't seem to realize that tapeworms like you need a healthy host to survive.

Posted by: Unclefacts, now with even more summoning power. at November 08, 2012 09:33 PM (6IReR)

377 349 The cloward-piven crap is going to backfire as it will result in revolution that he commies won't like.
Posted by: TexBob at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (pUOpM)


Nobody will like it. Pointless bloodshed followed by decades of recriminations and more bloodshed.

Dumbest possible outcome.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (bxiXv)

378 Illegals as a statistical group didn't come here for freedom, they came for their own selfish reasons, noble or not does not matter.

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (N2yhW)

379 Completely disagree that Hispanics had anything to do with Romney losing.

Even if the GOP went all in for amnesty like John McCain, that doesn't mean you're going to get 100% of Hispanic voters. My guess is you might get 40% of them instead of 35% with that issue. We're talking about less than 1% of the popular vote here.

Had Romney made an issue about Obama's support to giving drivers' licenses to illegals, he would have done a lot better in states like Ohio, PA, Michigan, etc with working class whites.

If you truly want to destroy conservatism, you'll legalize 20 million illegal aliens. And the next step will be full voting rights once you can't deport them. After all, is the GOP going to say that Hispanics living here deserve "2nd class" citizenship?

I'm hoping Boehner is just playing "good cop" to the public.




Posted by: Jeepers at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (XDRsa)

380
This makes me feel better than just about anything I've heard or read....

http://tinyurl.com/cwh43b

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (8cOY0)

381
The problem with the GOP doing this to pander to Hispanics is that the GOP will get zero fucking credit.

Remember, Republicans were pushing for a version of the Civil Rights Act in the fifties and early sixties. Only when the Democrats had all the power, and could claim all the credit, did they go along with it.

To quote Lyndon Johnson: "We'll have those n***ers voting for us for the next 200 years."

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (YSkOI)

382 what the fuck is SMOD?! if it's Suck My Own Dick, every person on in these comments used it incorrectly. Oh and to the guy bitching about voter ID in CO - I live here and we had to show it, which was actually great... although I live in El Paso county (Red!) and I have no idea if they were checking it in Denver/Boulder. I have a feeling they weren't. But I do think there was rampant fraud, especially in Ohio. I think Obama stole the election. What was happening on the ground, at rallies, in polls... none of it added up to the outcome. Romney should have won, and by the same margin Obama did. It just doesn't add up. BTW Who the fuck audits elections because this one needs it.

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (I4T7l)

383 Well I'm off to bed because I'm just that cool. Stop the circular firing squad or there will be no more boobehs for you!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (Gk3SS)

384 "357 Anyone who thinks Hispanics will mellow into conservatives in a few generations is ignoring the fact of the greater than 40% rate of illegitimacy.

That will get worse and gaurantees votes for the welfare state.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (+VMZ0) "

Yes, because the Media and the culture is fucked up, and people on the lower end of the "socioeconomic" spectrum are more influenceable.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (uvzjj)

385 Just saw the sidebar story. If this is true, we cannot accept this! We can't accept flagrantly fraudulent results!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 09:35 PM (uhAkr)

386 If we go along and pass amnesty the way the dems want, we will never get
credit for it, ever. It will only be Obama, obamnesty, forever. If the
dema have managed to take civil rights and emancipation from the repubs,
they will never give them credit for something a dem pres passes.

Rush made the point today that the reason illegal latinos flock to the dems is not moral principles but fiscal ones; dems give them free stuff. Until the free stuff ceases they will never leave the dems, even if it means sacrificing their religious beliefs.

Our position needs to be securing the borders, giving all illegals not guilty of crimes the right to stay without deportation, but they must go through the regular citizenship process, and they can't vote. Anything else surrendered to the dems means the republicans are voting for their doom. But, what else is new?

Posted by: LizLem at November 08, 2012 09:35 PM (8wqqE)

387 NO.

There is no political will for amnesty in the mainstream. Stop trying to create it with a false narrative.


Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (yGblt)

laura can you delete or ban?

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:35 PM (hX8cq)

388 360 You can't expel millions of people without a humanitarian nightmare -- it's just wrong

So?
And if we do decide to enforce the law, that existed before these people INVADED US, who caused that humanitarian nightmare? The people who crept illegally over our borders, or us? I posit to you, that I did nothing to cause this, and I'll be damned if I'm blamed for the fallout. FUCK no.

Why are we responsible, always, as Americans, for the shitty choices made by others? How the fuck is this my fault, and why should I pay for it? Because, mark my words, I WILL have to shell out for these uninvited guests, as I have already.

No.

NO.

There is no political will for amnesty in the mainstream. Stop trying to create it with a false narrative.
Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (yGblt)




Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:35 PM (GEICT)

389 Insisting on white only politics is pretty fucking racist.


I don't hold with sucking up to anyone because of their race, but how the hell can you exclude people because of their race and not be a racist?


Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 09:36 PM (2rMmy)

390 what the fuck is SMOD?

SMOD = Sweet Meteor of Death

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 08, 2012 09:36 PM (eE0uo)

391
what the fuck is SMOD?!


Sweet Meteor of Death that soon, cthulhu willing, should be coming to cure all our problems.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:36 PM (Gk3SS)

392 Irony. Despite all evidence, Obama's voters believed he cares about people like them.

Meanwhile, we...don't believe our folks care about people like us.

Says volumes. None of it good.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 08, 2012 09:36 PM (x8wJs)

393 We are not obliged to have a plan.

No, not if you want to live your lifeon the internet. But if you want to actually implement policy, you need a politicalplan to actually DO STUFF.

Build the fence. Do not budge one inch on sovereignty. Not an inch. Deport all illegal migrants.

Again, how do you put us in a position to do that? Because your plan seems to be screaming through a bullhorn from outside the capitol. If we want to be inside, we need to win elections.

I am 100% for a fence. It will not happen with mass deportation. Will not.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:36 PM (9G+G5)

394 Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:20 PM (sRus3)

You still haven't said: What. Is. Your. Plan?
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (9G+G5)

Yes, I did.

Here it is again.

Build the Fence.

No Amnesty.

Deport all Illegals.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (sRus3)

395 318? Got it. Thanks for the head's up guys.

Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (yGblt)

396 I'm still not totally sold that Latino immigrants are the only demographic we need to work on...

@JasonMattera

If this math is correct, Romney wins if just 5% more people who identified as conservative voted for him. Crazy.
http://tinyurl.com/bhw58oc

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (SX6wc)

397 Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 09:27 PM (qEts0)

You know it's funny that you mention that since I was thinking the same thing just today. Usually Axelrude has his "I won" hat on just so. But he copped to no mandate yesterday and now he's calling for bipartisanship? Dafuq? Somethig stinks with that unless they're now in legacy mode and either want to share the blame for something coming down the pike or they're trying to shape Obama's last years in office as someone that brought both sides together.

Posted by: volfan at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (RTb48)

398 It was white, English-speaking Protestants who created the concepts of individual liberty, limited government, and free-market capitalism, which took root in North America.

Brown, Spanish-speaking Catholics created the hellhole dictatorial poverty-stricken governments in Latin America.

Importing those people in large numbers will doom our society, and there is no way around it.

You can call me racist all you want but I don't fucking care anymore.

Posted by: rickl at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (sdi6R)

399 "382 Illegals as a statistical group didn't come here for freedom, they came for their own selfish reasons, noble or not does not matter.

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (N2yhW) "

Freedom and selfishness are sort of related.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (uvzjj)

400 99% Obama
1% Romney

I fucking knew it....
Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (doBIb)


90% turnout, but only in the places the GOP observers got kicked out?

People bused into Wisconsin from Chicago?

And on and on and on.

But, you know, saying fraud makes us look like paranoid kooks, so better to let them institutionalize their criminality and make ourselves a permanent political minority.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (bxiXv)

401 363
I think Trey "fuckin" Gowdy would make a great Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (Vk6ZI)

Oh hellz yeah!! Love that guy.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (X6akg)

402 387 Well I'm off to bed because I'm just that cool. Stop the circular firing squad or there will be no more boobehs for you!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (Gk3SS)




Wait, there were boobehs?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (GEICT)

403 and agree with most here - we need to secure the borders, build a fucking fence, and then give them a path to citizenship that takes 5-7 years, all the while working legally. If you get arrested/felony, you're out for life. If you get arrested for anything other than a traffic ticket, you're out. Then we need to educate them about conservatism, how things work, etc. - we need to market the shit out of the GOP and embrace the tea party and libertarians into it. Doesn't mean we go soft on abortion, though. MD had the right idea with gay marriage - law was for civil unions with the caveat that no church/religion was ever required to marry them. My two fucking cents.

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:38 PM (I4T7l)

404 389: Thus the rub--how can you tell people we're for a certain cultural norm without people who don't differentiate culture and race going ballistic?

I keep saying, there is no short or mid term political solution, and I mean that, short of something ridiculously and impossibly draconian. We have to move to the long game and try to retake the culture first.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 08, 2012 09:38 PM (x8wJs)

405 I'm going to buy an asbestos fire suit, if they're still available, and toast marshmallows until my gut explodes.

The next four years will be more entertaining than a grizzly bear swilling Lizzy Warren's gourmet moonshine.

Posted by: Fritz at November 08, 2012 09:38 PM (0yCoM)

406 Good nightall ~ it is all getting a little toodepressing here which I can't take today. Off to eat my brownies.

Posted by: Cheri at November 08, 2012 09:38 PM (EAgmr)

407 I don't see how Lightworker is a white power troll. I read comment 318 and nothing in there is racist.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:33 PM (Td9D+)
Bullshit. Totally disingenuous. How about:
"Even just post stuff on the Internet, advocating an explicitly pro-White politics..."

I'm pro-conservative, pro-America, not "pro-White." Ace of Spades is pro-conservative, pro-America, not "pro-White."

If you don't see the difference, then I suspect you might be a troll too.

Posted by: lael at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (tUcg9)

408
how the hell can you exclude people because of their race and not be a racist?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Love




Didn't the Congressional Black Conference refuse to let in non-Blacks because -- they're not black?

That's how. Some people have their race card already punched.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (kdS6q)

409 "370 Could someone tell Ace to give somebody banhammer privileges and clean up on aisle 318?

You don't like the phrase "white genocide", do you? Yet, it's happened; it happened in Saint-Domingue, it happened in Rhodesia, it is happening in South Africa. Why can't it happen here?

Why is it bad to oppose white genocide, Armando? Pray, tell.
Posted by: boulder hobo at November 08, 2012 09:32 PM (QTHTd)"


Well, for starters, genocide isn't going on in the U.S. and no one seriously expects it to, but other than that...

Posted by: AD at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (pnYrY)

410 "379 Completely disagree that Hispanics had anything to do with Romney losing.

Even if the GOP went all in for amnesty like John McCain, that doesn't mean you're going to get 100% of Hispanic voters. My guess is you might get 40% of them instead of 35% with that issue. We're talking about less than 1% of the popular vote here.

Had Romney made an issue about Obama's support to giving drivers' licenses to illegals, he would have done a lot better in states like Ohio, PA, Michigan, etc with working class whites.

If you truly want to destroy conservatism, you'll legalize 20 million illegal aliens. And the next step will be full voting rights once you can't deport them. After all, is the GOP going to say that Hispanics living here deserve "2nd class" citizenship?

I'm hoping Boehner is just playing "good cop" to the public.




Posted by: Jeepers at November 08, 2012 09:34 PM (XDRsa) "

Ok, so here's the problem. All (or most) of their children (and any new children they produce) have citizenship. What now?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (uvzjj)

411 My fucking vote didn't count 11/6.

I was a provisional ballot, after showing my fucking registration card that was mailed to me.

The news covered it within hours, and I was mollified that it was a localized incident.

http://tinyurl.com/a9r72yl

Posted by: twoslaps at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (nrr3F)

412 Wait, there were boobehs



Yeah, didn't you see them?

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (doBIb)

413
Wow. Talk about whiplash.

I went from depression of a loss to angry at all those people that didn't show up.

Now I am pissed that I voted. Great job, Boehner. You don't even know why those people didn't show up. And you lost another one.

PS John - those people are never going to vote for you either.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (PHb2k)

414 Plan??! Take your fucking strawman somewhere else. I didn't bring up amnesty. Advice to Boner is don't walk out there and offer fucking amnesty to illegals. WTF is wrong with you?

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:30 PM (N2yhW)

I don't know what you're trying to say, but my question is: What is your plan to stop the flow of millions of Democrat voters into the country? If amnesty can't be part of it, what is your Deportation Plan that will get conservatives elected and the border secured?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (9G+G5)

415 Off to eat my brownies.

My AoSHQ-corrupted mind produced a disturbing visual.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (eE0uo)

416 What this means is that we no longer have a system of representative government.

It's supposed to work that the voters tell their elected representatives what they want them to do, and the representatives do their best to get it done.

What we have now, is a political class that decides an agenda and shoves it off on us whether we like it or not. And the country couldn't have made it more clear that we don't want Amnesty yet they've proven they don't give a damn.

What's to be done?

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (Z6XSF)

417 "It was white, English-speaking Protestants who created the concepts of individual liberty, limited government, and free-market capitalism, which took root in North America.

Brown, Spanish-speaking Catholics created the hellhole dictatorial poverty-stricken governments in Latin America.

Importing those people in large numbers will doom our society, and there is no way around it.

You can call me racist all you want but I don't fucking care anymore.'

Raaaaacist! The Spanish-speakers were being oppressed by the Whites. They could have done just as we have! We didn't build that!

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (Td9D+)

418 Armando at November 08, 2012 09:25 PM

We tried cracking down and it is impossible. Phoney IDs are too readily available. It's just another layer of red tape in the hiring process -- why make employers do that? Why can't they hire whoever they want? Why don't we welcome immigrants? If the problem is simply legality, then change the law, that's what I'm advocating. Make them legal. Let them come legally. Why not?

Without a steady stream of immigrants, the USA is basically the EU demographically speaking. The EU has to take in an increasingly radicalized sort of immigrant from North Africa. We attract hard-working, family-oriented immigrants from Latin America and Asia.

Let them come.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (3ar4L)

419 >>>We have to move to the long game and try to retake the culture first.

This was the Breitbart crusade. Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, his predecessors at the Bigs have decided to become just another group of conservative bloggers who engage in the same 'rah-rah' bullshit as the media they should be assaulting.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (YSkOI)

420 Oh, and I've moved on from the disbelief portion of grief to anger, I think; I currently hate everyone and everything. Except you guys, of course. But anyone, from songs to tv shows to people on the street that I remotely suspect voted for Obama, I want to smack in the face. Luckily I live in a state where the number of actual Obamabots in my immediate vicinity is very low; how you guys in the hopeless states are coping I have no idea.

Posted by: LizLem at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (8wqqE)

421 You guys got fucking owned.



Posted by: john at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (GnD2p)





I would say enjoy funemployment for the rest of your worthless life but I realize that you're too much of a mouth breathing cretin to ever be employed except maybe as a mop. So why don't you run off before your mommy finds you on one those Harry Reid pedo sites

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (iM27A)

422
Freedom and selfishness are sort of related.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (uvzjj)

They come in their own rational self-interest.
It might be our rational self-interest to boot them right back out of course.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 09:41 PM (xAtAj)

423 thanks @waterhouse @alexthechick

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:41 PM (I4T7l)

424 296
Oh. Look. I found the SMOD dance!


http://youtu.be/c4glrmcMhKU


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 08, 2012 09:22 PM (Gk3SS)


You are a girl after my own heart...

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 08, 2012 09:41 PM (GrtrJ)

425 @347

No, I remember his "Fuxk you you Fuxing Racists!!" comments tho.. And Gramnasty..

Posted by: JarvisW in TEXAS at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (E7Iyp)

426 "417 "It was white, English-speaking Protestants who created the concepts of individual liberty, limited government, and free-market capitalism, which took root in North America.

Brown, Spanish-speaking Catholics created the hellhole dictatorial poverty-stricken governments in Latin America.

Importing those people in large numbers will doom our society, and there is no way around it.

You can call me racist all you want but I don't fucking care anymore.'

Raaaaacist! The Spanish-speakers were being oppressed by the Whites. They could have done just as we have! We didn't build that!

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:40 PM (Td9D+) "

It was mostly a product of the Scottish Enlightenment, which built on top of a bunch of other things, so yes and no.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (uvzjj)

427 There is no political will for amnesty in the mainstream. Stop trying to create it with a false narrative.

Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM (yGblt)

So what IS there poltical will for? How do we secure the border, seeing as voters only gave us control of one chamber?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (9G+G5)

428 Illegitamacy has nothing to do with intelligence. Unfortunalely they will be educated(indoctrinated) in school.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (+9AX9)

429
Illegals as a statistical group didn't come here for freedom, they came for their own selfish reasons, noble or not does not matter.

Posted by: dogfish




You know, I saw a headline today, although I didn't click thru to read the article, that the Democrats even won the Cubans this year.

The freaking Cubans too?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (kdS6q)

430 The community organizer did a hell of a job. Dividing people by race, religion, gender, sexuality, and income. Turning brother against brother.

It's a good thing he cares about us so much. Imagine what he could do if he didn't care about us.

/

Posted by: Palandine at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (g7D8V)

431 Give them amnesty but they have to get off every government program for life, and their kids, never get a dime.

Posted by: madamex at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (+kvQd)

432 If amnesty can't be part of it, what is your Deportation Plan that will get conservatives elected and the border secured?

Severe employer sanctions strickly enforced. Presentation of documents for any public benefit received.

Posted by: the tree of liberty at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (QupBk)

433 This is the quid pro quo for the tax fight/fiscal cliff mess.

Obama caves on taxes for the rich.

GOP caves on DREAM act.

Obama needs to placate/reward the Latino voters who helped him this time around.

Obama said as much to the Des Moines Register - he owes his victory to Latino voters and they are pissed after Obama didn't do immigration reform in his first term, as Obama promised.

And let's face it, Democrats and Obama can live with keeping a tax cut for the rich. They don't like paying higher taxes, even if that's what they espouse.


Posted by: Hoi Polloi Wingnutia at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (OPWiP)

434 Dammit.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (QupBk)

435 smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:38 PM (I4T7l)
nice comment .
although i was trying to ignore the actual post ..for like ever.
want some wine?

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:43 PM (hX8cq)

436
Our republic died on 11-6-2012. My soul died with it.

Just give the damn rotting corpse to the illegals. Open the borders. Give anyone who wants it instant citizenship.

My money, guns and Bible are all sitting on the front yard as we speak. Might was well give them to the government now andbeat the rush later.

My voter ID card is shredded.

I just don't freakin' care any more...

Posted by: Dirk The Imapailer at November 08, 2012 09:43 PM (VXT9J)

437 Again, how do you put us in a position to do that? Because your plan seems to be screaming through a bullhorn from outside the capitol. If we want to be inside, we need to win elections.

I am 100% for a fence. It will not happen with mass deportation. Will not.
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:36 PM (9G+G5)

Seriously?

You want me to lay out a plan to wrest control of the Federal Government from the Democrats and Republicans, an if I do not, then we really should shut up and go along with Amnesty?

Are you fucking retarded?

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:43 PM (sRus3)

438 "398 It was white, English-speaking Protestants who created the concepts of individual liberty, limited government, and free-market capitalism, which took root in North America."

Cicero and Cato were neither Protestant nor English speaking.

"Brown, Spanish-speaking Catholics created the hellhole dictatorial poverty-stricken governments in Latin America."

Chile says "Hi."

Posted by: AD at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (pnYrY)

439 OT but I have a question for some of the military smart people here regarding the drone that was shot at.

These Russian built fighters (SU something) fly like what? 500 miles an hour?
An MQ10 Drone flies about 150 miles an hour, tops?

So 2 of those jets couldn't catch or shoot down a lame duck? Now I know Iranian are not the brightest people around, but I would think they could catch a slow flying drone? Something about this story does not sit right with me. Some one explain

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (uVuwp)

440 @397

If Obama concedes what the conservatives want, that means he is ditching his base and "Legacy" is on his mind.

But....The Left will not stand for this, and they will turn on him like Ike to Tina Turner, and he will never make it thru his second term with any kind of positive "Legacy," and he knows it. His only option is to actually cause the destruction and attempt to control it and come out of it as the next "FDR."

Posted by: Jimi at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (uvNSk)

441 Latino illigitamacy rate is 50%
Latino incarceration rate is 17 time greater than whites.
Latino dropout rate is 40%
Latinos receiving welfare of any kind 40%

In other words, a natural GOP constituency.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (0fxcV)

442 Hispanics are republicans natural allies. They are hard working, independent, devoted to their families.

Other natural allies are the LBGT community. Any self respecting limited government, states rights republican would never ever condone intrusion into ones morals, bedrooms, or relationships.

Other natural allies are "minorities" of all flavors. Again, for all the same reasons, personal responsibility, devotion to family.

So why isn't our coalition and tent larger?

Is it possible that there is some incredibly vocal group managing to drive our natural allies away from us?

Perhaps?

I wonder what they would be called.

Some pills are bitter, and the longer you avoid swallowing the more painful course and taste the medicine will have.

Two things ought to happen.

First: Build up our border security, with real security measures to stop infiltration. Because if illegals fighting for economic advancement in our country could cross the border, I am guessing that malevolent people could do the same. This is a national security issue.

Second: Provide green cards on demand, have the current group of "illegals" identify their employers, and start collecting wage/income/... taxes from their employers. Compel them to pay at least the minimum wage. They can stay if they keep on the right side of the law, paying their taxes. Assign the now former illegals community service of some sort for the past violation when they pick up the green card.

Third: Fix our completely fucked up immigration system. That we let in the 9/11 murderers while pretending that day laborers represented a greater risk to us ... is breathtakingly wrong at so many levels.

Fourth: as putative republicans, stop alienating our allies.

Posted by: Joe in MI at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (3R8wQ)

443 well, we have to do something different

not sayin its full amnesty

but we gotta think of something

Posted by: kinlaw at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (uLTng)

444 The dimwit libertarian who helped Tester win in Montana, was backed by the Dems too.

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 09:45 PM (25Udx)

445 You guys got fucking owned.



Posted by: john at November 08, 2012 08:30 PM (GnD2p)


you're going to feel pretty owned when you're giving five dollar blowjobs to gay dudes just to keep the cell phone on you dumb fucking ass

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 09:45 PM (qEts0)

446

Levin just threatened to leave the GOP over this issue.

It's on!

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 09:45 PM (Z6XSF)

447 McConnell said in an exclusive statement to Breitbart News:
One issue Ive never been conflicted about is taxes. I wasnt sent to Washington to raise anybodys taxes to pay for more wasteful spending and this election doesnt change my principles. This election was a disappointment, without doubt, but lets be clear about something: the House is still run by Republicans, and Republicans still maintain a robust minority in the Senate. I know some people out there think Tuesdays results mean Republicans in Washington are now going to roll over and agree to Democrat demands that we hike tax rates before the end of the year. Im here to tell them there is no truth to that notion whatsoever.

Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 09:45 PM (RIg+t)

448 Freedom and selfishness are sort of related.


I can see what you are saying but bullshit. Selfishness is willing to take from others to better your self. Freedom is being left alone to either better or worsen your situation without otherwise affecting the next person's ability to do the same.

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (N2yhW)

449 Time to start calling House Republicans and reminding them that we voted them in not democrats.

And yes we should absolutely blast Boehner for his "law of the land" comment. The House holds the purse strings... man up and refuse to fund further implementation. Refuse to fund federal exchanges and they won't be created. Refuse to allow funds for the IRS to enforce fines and they can't enforce them.

Boehner needs to grow a pair or needs to be replaced as Speaker.

Posted by: Amy at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (NpRlM)

450 Same old stupidity. They really don't get it. There are plenty of ways to attract immigrants without shitting on the ones who obey the law, the ones we ultimately want. But that's too hard!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (i0vBR)

451 Chile says "Hi."


Argentina isn't exactly a bastion of liberty these days either.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (IDypm)

452 "431 Give them amnesty but they have to get off every government program for life, and their kids, never get a dime.

Posted by: madamex at November 08, 2012 09:42 PM (+kvQd) "

"Welfarism" (Socialism) needs to end either way. For everyone.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (uvzjj)

453 When things were at their best for Romney I had a nagging doubt in the back of my mind: "What if he pisses us off even more than I know he will?"

At least this way the nation still goes to hell, but under DNC watch. Paul Ryan and his calculator escape unharmed to curbstomp another day.

Posted by: Filly at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (lgXUp)

454 If they do this now TFG gets credit and mexicans will vote for dems forever - which they probably would do anyway. This is the hill to die on.

Posted by: osu at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (xR46S)

455 398 It was white, English-speaking Protestants who
created the concepts of individual liberty, limited government, and
free-market capitalism, which took root in North America."



Cicero and Cato were neither Protestant nor English speaking.



"Brown, Spanish-speaking Catholics created the hellhole dictatorial poverty-stricken governments in Latin America."



Chile says "Hi."





Posted by: AD at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (pnYrY)


Well put.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (iM27A)

456 There is voter fraud, but I doubt that the kind which could be fixed by voter id is the problem. The real fraud isn't committed by fraudsters getting past honest election judges. The problem is dishonest election judges. Voter ID laws do nothing to solve this. Republican state legislatures need to stop delegating the election process to local governments like the city of Philadelphia.

Posted by: chris not rock at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (YLqOu)

457 Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:37 PM (sRus3)

You can't deport illegals and build a fence if you are not in power. I'm all for it. Really. It is the just response. But I'm out of pixy dust.

Still waiting for you to tell me HOW you plan on achieving this. The GOP House has to work with real world rules.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (9G+G5)

458 @439, Su-25's are slow, relatively speaking. They're ground attack aircraft. We were just fortunate the Iranians apparently couldn't hit the side of a barn.

Posted by: Palandine at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (g7D8V)

459 319
gets us into clusterfuck wars that it couldn't win a

declaration of war on Posted by: SFGoth

Sorry, amigo,
you keep on repeating this. Saddam broke the the cease-fire of 1991, and
the Congress passed AUMF in 2003. Those combined offer a clear cut
authorization for war. Insisting otherwise is fetishistic, wall-eyed
nonsense.


Posted by: burned cut-loop

Utter nonsense. The Constitution does not delegate to Congress the power to declare authorization for the President to use force. It says War. Art. I s. 8: "The Congress shall have Power . . . To declare War". . . . If you're going to spend millions, if not billions of $ and get people killed or (and in some cases worse) horrifically maimed, then grab your nads and vote to declare war. If the Congress of the United States of America cannot bring itself to declare war on another country, then we have no business invading. You can't seem to understand this.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (dZ756)

460 Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-drugs/suicide, pro-let everyone over the border and pay them, educate them and give them free medical care and food, tax the rich until they run from the country.
Exactly why do we have a republican party? Why not just sign up with the dems?

Posted by: J at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (3GsRm)

461 New rule.......members of the losing party do not give interviews until 72 hours after the election is over.

Cause it is cler Boehner does not have a plan.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (OWjjx)

462 Birthright citizenship needs to go before everything else.

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (doBIb)

463 "Had Romney made an issue about Obama's support to giving drivers'
licenses to illegals, he would have done a lot better in states like
Ohio, PA, Michigan, etc with working class whites."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

Yes.
Yes. Yes. He wouldn't have driven up Hispanic support to Obama by much,
but he would have turned out whites and others by the boatload.

The GOP likes to believe it's weak on Amnesty because they're afraid of the Latinos. What they don't get is there are so many other voting blocs that strongly oppose Amnesty. Including a significant amount of Latinos.

Which means they're lying when they say we need Amnesty to win Latinos. They want Amnesty because they want it.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (Z6XSF)

464
I see that guy is still preaching his bullshit about SoCons torpedoing the race, regardless of the fact we were the biggest block voting for Romney. You moderate GOPers shit the bed and stayed home, like flapjackmaka admitted earlier.

So much for the folly of nominating a moderate when a conservative was needed this year. But Perry said heartless, Newt wanted $200 billion to build a moonbase, and Santorum wanted to ban all abortion and make everyone catholic.

Tell me again why SoCons shouldn't start their own party with the non brain damaged fiscal cons?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 09:48 PM (VrVBw)

465 Oh, and for what it's worth one of my fave coworkers, a first generation hispanic, voted for Obama last time, voted for Romney this time. Didn't like the way the economy was going and wanted a businessman to fix it. He made the resigned offhand joke that if things really get bad here, he can always go back to his family's land in Mexico. Sadly, we might get to the point here where dysentary filled water, 5 dollars a day or less in pay, and constant drug lord violence IS a better option.

Posted by: LizLem at November 08, 2012 09:48 PM (8wqqE)

466
Ma Bell at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (uVuwp)
Drones are more manuverable due to slow speeds. Jets aren't. Plus they're small.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:48 PM (+9AX9)

467 @willow wine is nice but as I live in CO I get to... smokeyjoe ;-)

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:48 PM (I4T7l)

468 I have always thought this approach to immigration should happen. Iwho can blame them for coming here for a better life if we don't care enough to secure our border? I certainly don't. It would be as if you had a super awesome swing set in your yard and all summer let the neighborhood kids play on it, then one day had the cops come and arrest them. I live in a mostly Mexican neighborhood, and for the most part they are very good neighbors. We could do much worse.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at November 08, 2012 09:48 PM (JcN7j)

469
Too soon, too knee-jerk. Boehner's just making us look panicked, desparate and foolish. I'm open to re-thinking our approach, but only after we have time to analyze what happened on Tuesday. The idea that preemptively pulling a 180 without even consulting the base is typical of our Marie Antoinette leadership of Rockefeller-Lite Republicans - as a transplanted Buckeye, I find Boehner a pretty common specimen of OH GOP leadership. If we need to make any panicked changes, start with canning the entire House and Senate leadership - part of this fail is on them, after all, and they're going to make us look even worse as they cringe and cower for the next few months.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 08, 2012 09:48 PM (WLuv5)

470 "441 Latino illigitamacy rate is 50%
Latino incarceration rate is 17 time greater than whites.
Latino dropout rate is 40%
Latinos receiving welfare of any kind 40%

In other words, a natural GOP constituency.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (0fxcV) "

Yes. Because they're all atheists now. Because progress.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:48 PM (uvzjj)

471 Ripped from H2

http://i.___ur.com/r7mrS.jpg

Posted by: sTevo at November 08, 2012 09:49 PM (VMcEw)

472 harley cowboy

Illegitimacy has everything to do with women and welfare. And it is self perpetuating.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:49 PM (+VMZ0)

473 "Welfarism" (Socialism) needs to end either way. For everyone.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (uvzjj)

uhhmm, it needs to be a temporary thing at the least

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:49 PM (hX8cq)

474 Truth be told, I've been an election Judge in this very county, although in a different, in ways numerous, location.

I was interested in the ongoings, as I was the first in line at 6:39 a.m. and my right to an electronic ballot wasn't equal on this day, yet I was never offended or really in any way discouraged by any of the proceedings.

Go Jeffco and thank you and God Bless Us All, Each And Every Single One Of Us.

Posted by: twoslaps at November 08, 2012 09:49 PM (nrr3F)

475 451
Chile says "Hi."


Argentina isn't exactly a bastion of liberty these days either.


Posted by: Armando

No, but they have great, grass-fed beef.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 09:49 PM (dZ756)

476 @456. That is part of the solution. The other part is to get Republican Attorney Generals in each state, enact brutal voter fraud law and start the convictions.

Long term incarcaration may actually deter voter fraud.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 09:49 PM (OWjjx)

477 Boehner needs to grow a pair or needs to be replaced as Speaker.


Posted by: Amy at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM

The first won't happen because he doesn't have them, and the latter won't happen because of party pecking order

Paul Ryan or Eric Cantor would be a vast improvement, but then again so would a crash test dummy

Posted by: kbdabear at November 08, 2012 09:50 PM (wwsoB)

478 http://i.___ur.com/r7mrS.jpg

Try again.

Posted by: sTevo at November 08, 2012 09:51 PM (VMcEw)

479 CJ: "So, when do you get around to actually doing
something? Actually stopping the flow of millions of Democrat voters
over the border? When?"


I've advocated doing something for years and that plan has not a thing at all to do with amnesty. Protect the border. Use the National Guard with orders to shoot to kill. Use physical barriers where possible as a force-multiplier. Enforce the current laws. Warn, fine, then imprison business personnel who hire illegal immigrants depending on number of infractions.

Amnesty is a non-starter. An absolute line in the sand.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 08, 2012 09:51 PM (eHIJJ)

480 Well, for starters, genocide isn't going on in the U.S. and no one seriously expects it to, but other than that...

Posted by: AD at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (pnYrY)

It's a loaded word, but....Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group."

I keep hearing howwhite Americans are dying off, and a dwindling minority. Does the destruction have to be violent?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:51 PM (9G+G5)

481 Wrong answer, Speaker Boehner. The way you create more conservatives is by doing a better job of marketing conservatism.

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 08, 2012 09:51 PM (YjDyJ)

482 ...........Boehner's just making us look panicked, desparate and foolish........

Yes he is. Boehner's better play would have been to simply say "the President won last night. As such, it is incumbent upon him to set forth his plan to address these problems,."

Obama never has to own anything. And it looks like Boehner's gonna keep letting him get away with it.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 09:52 PM (OWjjx)

483 http://thehostages.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/do-not-pass-go/#more-32400

3rd time is the charm.

Posted by: sTevo at November 08, 2012 09:52 PM (VMcEw)

484
Still waiting for you to tell me HOW you plan on achieving this. The GOP House has to work with real world rules.
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (9G+G5)

I don't know how to do it, but I do know that it not enough to make me surrender to Amnesty.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:52 PM (sRus3)

485 438
Chile says "Hi."


I believe Chile had General Pinochet to help things along a bit.

Where's our General Pinochet?

Posted by: rickl at November 08, 2012 09:52 PM (sdi6R)

486
typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:49 PM (+VMZ0)
True but has nothing to do with intelligence. Woman at work was trying to explain to her daughter about the GOP messing with women. Kid figured out on her own that SOMETHING wasn't right.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:52 PM (+9AX9)

487 so lets keep telling hispanics to vote 70-30 dem?

really?

and dont call me a troll

i'm kinlaw

Posted by: kinlaw at November 08, 2012 09:52 PM (uLTng)

488 No, but they have great, grass-fed beef.

True dat.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 09:52 PM (IDypm)

489 WRT armored trucks:

http://tinyurl.com/crmu459

15 vehicles, $150,000, so $15K each.

Posted by: GroverMuhfugginCleveland at November 08, 2012 09:53 PM (LXKJo)

490 Give them all the amnesty they want, Boehner -- and they'll still vote Democrat. Useless capitulation.

Posted by: Really, Really Bitter Clinger a/k/a Minnie Rodent at November 08, 2012 09:53 PM (S3rrR)

491 far thinking leaders we ave
unemployment 23 million.
food stamps 47 millon
getting ready to have financial collapse

yeah , woo hoo i feel hopeful about the country
AND our leadership.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:53 PM (hX8cq)

492 It says War. Art. I s. 8: "The Congress shall have
Power . . . To declare War". . . . If you're going to spend millions, if
not billions of $ and get people killed or (and in some cases worse)
horrifically maimed, then grab your nads and vote to declare war. If the
Congress of the United States of America cannot bring itself to declare
war on another country, then we have no business invading. You can't
seem to understand this. Posted by: SFGoth


So you're essentially saying:

1 ) The signers of the Constitution thought the breaking of cease-fires were just peachy and warrant no further action?

2 ) Unless a piece of legislation literally has the heading "A Declaration of War," it doesn't count?

Congress passed legislation, and because it doesn't have your feather-penned title, it doesn't count?

Again fetishistic, wall-eyed bullshit.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 09:53 PM (SX6wc)

493 301 At this point the best thing to do is open immigration (keeping track at the border to keep out criminals and give out alien SS numbers, etc) and amnesty. You can't expel millions of people without a humanitarian nightmare -- it's just wrong. So, here they are. For citizenship, just keep the same process as now.
Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 09:23 PM (3ar4L) Hey pal, you want to see a fucking humanitarian nightmare. It's coming at us right fucking now, and it will be here in 4-8 years. What you neglect is that for the first 100 years we didn't have a welfare state. Now we do. Open borders will collapse it faster, which is why Europeans jealously guard their own borders.Then again, if open borders will end this sooner, maybe it isn't a bad idea.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 09:53 PM (2rf52)

494 "473 "Welfarism" (Socialism) needs to end either way. For everyone.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:46 PM (uvzjj)

uhhmm, it needs to be a temporary thing at the least

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:49 PM (hX8cq) "

No. It needs to end.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:53 PM (uvzjj)

495 >>>476 @456. That is part of the solution. The other part is to get Republican Attorney Generals in each state, enact brutal voter fraud law and start the convictions.
Long term incarcaration may actually deter voter fraud.

This.

I'd also throw in with More Scott Walker in each state, because the public sector unions are just a fucking pipeline for tax payer money to go straight into the Democrat's reelection coffers.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 09:53 PM (YSkOI)

496 Kabong , OT question, do you think Walker in 2016 for POTUS is doable?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 09:54 PM (VrVBw)

497
Hispanics will never come to the GOP in significant numbers,but i think once they shove blacks to the back of the bus in the democratic party we will see many blacks looking to come home to the party of their grandfathers

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 09:54 PM (qEts0)

498
Utter nonsense. The Constitution does not delegate to Congress the power to declare authorization for the President to use force. It says War. Art. I s. 8: "The Congress shall have Power . . . To declare War". . . . If you're going to spend millions, if not billions of $ and get people killed or (and in some cases worse) horrifically maimed, then grab your nads and vote to declare war. If the Congress of the United States of America cannot bring itself to declare war on another country, then we have no business invading. You can't seem to understand this.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 09:47 PM (dZ756) Can you tell me where the Constitution specifically spells out the language of a 'Declaration of War'? I'll be waiting.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 09:54 PM (2rf52)

499 If we put time limits on welfare (like unemployment), had mandatory drug testing, and offered job search and training, I'd be ok with welfare like I'm ok with unemployment - I've been unemployed and believe me, you need it to stay afloat. Same deal for food stamps. Time limits, drug testing, the whole shebang. Let's help these people get back on their feet. Those that don't want to will have to face reality like the rest of us.

Oh, and shut the fuck up and stop talking, Boehner. Seriously. Stay calm and fucking carry on.

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (I4T7l)

500 Just got a tweet: latino catholics: immigration determined vote, not religion

I always wonder just how many of these latino voters are LEGAL voters. hmmm

Posted by: carolina at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (JebKA)

501 If the Congress of the United States of America cannot bring itself to declare war on another country, then we have no business invading. You can't seem to understand this.

Are you, in fact, braindamaged? Quote the part of the Constitution that defines the exact wording of a "Declaration of War".

Congress authorized the President to use the armed forces of the United States against another country. The exact wording doesn't matter. You're picking imaginary nits.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (QupBk)

502 Those English-speaking Protestants at EU HQ sure know how to build a succesfull economy and limit government, don't they?

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (i8u8P)

503 Maybe Republicans can back Reparations?

I'm just saying I'm open to discussion. I'm the most reasonable man in DC.

Posted by: John Boehner, between tearful breaks at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (AZGON)

504 "Amnesty with enforcement" is like "tax cuts coupled to spending cuts." Once the first is in place, the second never seems to happen.

Posted by: Zumkopf at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (Fmlu9)

505
Hispanics will never come to the GOP in significant numbers,but i think once they shove blacks to the back of the bus in the democratic party we will see many blacks looking to come home to the party of their grandfathers
Hope that won't take too long.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:56 PM (+9AX9)

506 We attract hard-working, family-oriented immigrants from Latin America and Asia.

Yes indeed, Ken, and also druglords, murderers, terrorists, and welfare abusers.

Gosh, wouldn't it be nice if there were a system in place where criminals couldn't just walk over the border, and a system where we could intelligently discriminate between who was who? And not just assume that after they're here, that obviously they must be one of the good ones?

And also, THE GOOD ONES BROKE OUR LAWS TOO. If they really belong here, we can do this on a case-by-case basis.

Yes, it will take many years. And will cost them a lot of money.

Just as it took many years, and thousands of dollars, for my LEGAL immigrant mother to become a citizen.

You are wrong on this issue. You are unfair. You are un-humanitarian, to those who died protecting our borders, and those who worked for so long to become citizens.

American citizenship is a prize, to be earned. Not stolen.

Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2012 09:56 PM (yGblt)

507 Dammit. We're tag teaming the poor guy.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at November 08, 2012 09:56 PM (QupBk)

508 480
I keep hearing how white Americans are dying off, and a dwindling minority. Does the destruction have to be violent?


No, not at all. It doesn't have to happen all at once.

Obamacare rationing should speed things along a bit.

Eventually the only whites left will be those who have been indoctrinated by the educational system. They will know that the old America was evil.

Posted by: rickl at November 08, 2012 09:56 PM (sdi6R)

509 Hannity is the Mark Sanchez of TV pundits. Yeh, he's on our team but he can't read a defense, fumbles a lot, the other team's defense know what's coming, and you flinch when he puts the ball in the air

Posted by: kbdabear at November 08, 2012 09:56 PM (wwsoB)

510 @495

El Kabong, the first pensions that get seized are public sector pensions. We can no longer afford them. So, we are just going to convert them to Social Security with a 10% kicker. We have to do this.......to save Social Security.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 09:56 PM (OWjjx)

511 F'n Boehner

That guy doesn't even know what game he is playing....let alone which team he's on. He is like the Right -Fielder you have to put in the Game because Mommy showed up, and wants to see her little boy in his cute uniform, and then in the 9th, he Fucking misses the catch, cause he's out there picking his nose with same fingers he just had up his ass when he thought nobody was looking.

Posted by: Jimi at November 08, 2012 09:56 PM (uvNSk)

512 The politicians want Amnesty because getting it would let them redo all the entitlement calculations.

All of a sudden SS and Medicare last a lot longer.

That's why they want them. Well plus they can fight over 40 million new voters and reset America's average age down a decade or so.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:57 PM (sRus3)

513 "499 If we put time limits on welfare (like unemployment), had mandatory drug testing, and offered job search and training, I'd be ok with welfare like I'm ok with unemployment - I've been unemployed and believe me, you need it to stay afloat. Same deal for food stamps. Time limits, drug testing, the whole shebang. Let's help these people get back on their feet. Those that don't want to will have to face reality like the rest of us.

Oh, and shut the fuck up and stop talking, Boehner. Seriously. Stay calm and fucking carry on.

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (I4T7l) "

Yes. Let's help them. But what does the Government have to do with anything?


(Right. We're all Socialists now.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 09:57 PM (uvzjj)

514
Hey don't mind us, we are just here for the American Dream.

ssst, you want to buy some dope?

Posted by: Average MS13 member at November 08, 2012 09:57 PM (VrVBw)

515 Did Hannity ever win a Rose Bowl?

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 09:57 PM (i8u8P)

516 """There are no jobs for me. Down to and including dishwashing."""


"Then learn how to write software. There's tons of free courses online, and the pay is very good.
There are many industries that have a permanent hiring shortage and great pay, and high tech is one of them."

Snide much? Permanent hiring shortage?

Maybe you need to explain that to one fellow I know who was laid off from his day job as a machinist (because it was outsourced). He spent his savings retraining as a software engineer.

Was immediately hired. At good pay. He was delighted. His whole life looked to be on the upswing. Six months later, THAT job was outsourced. He was allowed to stay on for one additional month to train the Indian guy who was going to be taking over his code in Bangalore. How generous.

After that, he beat the bushes fruitlessly, because the software industry wants 22-year olds, not 55-year-olds. Go look up Google's dire history of age discrimination. Doesn't matter how good the coding chops are. Hiring managers see the gray hair and the resume goes in the trash. Last I heard he was trying desperately to get a doc to sign him as disabled, to keep the wolf from the door financially.

More to the point, we have FIVE MILLION "long-term unemployed" in America.

How many of those do you think are capable cognitively of learning to write code well enough to work in industry? (I can, and I have trained others, and there are many who simply can not ever get the key concepts.)

Even if they could all be retrained to do so, do you think the Stateside hiring market will absorb 5M newly minted code jockeys? Many of them well into middle age? Pull the other one.

We have to start building and doing things in America again beyond merely twiddling bits. Physical things, not virtual. Physical things that actually work. Think nuclear reactors, not windmills.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 09:57 PM (ymG7s)

517
Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (I4T7l)

All of which is a State issue. Unemployment insurance and welfare are not among the enumerated powers granted the Federal Behemoth.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (2rf52)

518
Maybe Republicans can back Reparations?
Fine if that also requires repatriation.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (+9AX9)

519 If we put time limits on welfare (like
unemployment), had mandatory drug testing, and offered job search and
training, I'd be ok with welfare like I'm ok with unemployment - I've
been unemployed and believe me, you need it to stay afloat. Same deal
for food stamps. Time limits, drug testing, the whole shebang. Let's
help these people get back on their feet. Those that don't want to will
have to face reality like the rest of us.



Oh, and shut the fuck up and stop talking, Boehner. Seriously. Stay calm and fucking carry on.

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 09:55 PM (I4T7l)



This is them on their feet due to cradle to grave welfare for almost the last 50 years. They know nothing else but government hand outs. the Free Shit Army. Thanks again LBJ

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (iM27A)

520 You can't expel millions of people without a humanitarian nightmare -- it's just wrong

So?
And
if we do decide to enforce the law, that existed before these people
INVADED US, who caused that humanitarian nightmare? The people who crept
illegally over our borders, or us? I posit to you, that I did nothing
to cause this, and I'll be damned if I'm blamed for the fallout. FUCK
no.

Why are we responsible, always, as Americans, for the shitty
choices made by others? How the fuck is this my fault, and why should I
pay for it? Because, mark my words, I WILL have to shell out for these
uninvited guests, as I have already.

No.

NO.

There is no political will for amnesty in the mainstream. Stop trying to create it with a false narrative.

lauraw at November 08, 2012 09:31 PM

Ah, a tragedy for millions is not your fault so you will endorse it. Got it.

The law is and always was unenforceable. Period. It never worked. It was a convenient political fiction. I didn't cause it, so there is no use cussing at me. I'm just the messenger here (assuming you needed to be told). People will brave deadly journeys through the desert to come to the USA -- a few days in the can followed by deportation won't deter them.

There is no way for an employer to make sure somebody is here legally. It is too easy to get phoney documents, and your local dry cleaners don't employ any document verification experts. Threaten them with jail for hiring the wrong person, and they might not hire anybody.

Here's your problem. Unless existing Americans start being fruitful and multiplying at a much greater rate, we are screwed. We will get old and we will be in poverty because there ain't nobody to take care of us. Our own kids won't be able to afford it because they will be so heavily taxed to take care of all the selfish dolts who didn't have children themselves.

We have a big country that needs people. Let them come.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (3ar4L)

521 thats great Harley
so we get one out of millions

Illegitimacy = welfare = lefty voters

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (+VMZ0)

522 don't know what you're trying to say, but my
question is: What is your plan to stop the flow of millions of Democrat
voters into the country? If amnesty can't be part of it, what is your
Deportation Plan that will get conservatives elected and the border
secured?





Posted by: CJ


Lemme get this straight? We are to give amnesty to would be Democrat voters that are illegal to stop the flow of millions of Democrat voter into this country are are illegal? Are you from one of the states that just legalized pot? You don't give amnesty to illegals. Conditions are setup that make it desirable for to self deportation. Period. You don't stop states from enforcing laws that the fed refuse to. I'm from a border state, married to a Texan with Latino heritage, and I'm old to remember the attempt in the 80's and grew with the effects from the 60's. Got enough experience here. I'm done with you.

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (N2yhW)

523
As for what I'd do in re-thinking, I'm skeptical that anything we do toward "immigration outreach" will win over the 70% of Hispanics who voted Obama -among Hispanics for whom the immigration issue's a deciding factor, I suspect they know who the "authentic" party of amnesty is.Is it worth the guaranteedloss ofbase voters for the mere tenuous prospect of maybe losing the Hispanic voteby only 40% next time ?
Other than amping up our already-said-til-we're-blue-in-the-face message of being anti-illegal, not anti-immigrant, I'm firmly on the fence re: any proposal to change our immigration platform until someone can show me credible numbers on why it's to our advantage. As it stands right now, Boehner's acting out of sheer panic without our approval and well before anyone knows whether he's right or not, or whether his preemptive capitulation will result in more Republican votes in the future.
All ideas should be on the table for discussion, including my own sacred cows, but the discussion should be happening before our erstwhile D.C. overlords start changing policy for us. Nothing radical should be put forward and certainly shouldn't be agreed upon until months from now. Making radical policy changes this soon is not helpful no matter what - it stinks of fear and the Dems will smell that coming.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 08, 2012 09:59 PM (WLuv5)

524 American citizenship is a prize, to be earned. Not stolen.

Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2012 09:56 PM (yGblt)


Not for the last two generations.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 09:59 PM (bxiXv)

525 Ken
If we needed people we would have no unemployment. We don't need people.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM (+VMZ0)

526 Once again the Republican leadership says outright "Citizens? Oh screw them."

Posted by: Yenober at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM (6bVkc)

527
Guys,
TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX.
Here's the background of the election:
1) We ran a Mormon, shit tons of voters didn't like that, especially the guys on our side. One reason for the low turnout. One of my asshole friends voted for Johnson because of just this issue. Trust me, that's big on turnout.
2) We ran an uber rich guy with no military service. That's a fucking problem. We need to run a candidate from limited means originally, with military service.
3) We barely lost against the so-called messiah????? BARELY. The only reason we lost was because of a shitty campagin and the factors listed herein.
4) Guess what, latinos also don't like uber wealthy white people who seem to be disconnected from every day reality.
5) We ran senateretards who can't field a simple fucking question on abortion and have lost the fucking debate on that. SPIN IT AROUND. Do you psychos support any restrictions on abortion. Why are we always letting them post hypotheticals to us? Which are designed to trip us up? For fuck's sake;
6) Our GOTV effort was awful and ill conceived. HOW HAVE WE NOT NAILED THIS THE FUCK DOWN BY NOW????
Mitt was an eminently qualified candidate and a very good man. But this is politics. WE let them define us. We don't need huge amnesty. We don't need to pander. But WE do need to be willing to try and come up with a compromise of some sort.
But anything needs to be frontloaded:
FIRST, a plan to secure the borders and deal with the fucking criminals, then perhaps talk about some type of reform/path to citizenship;
FIRST spending cuts, then some additional revenue.
But we do not need to fracture the party. We need to fix the party. We beat ourselves. Their message did not beat us.
THEY HAVE NO FUCKING MESSAGE except class warfare, racial strife, and balkanization.
That is not a winning message. That is not an idea.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM (TZzO/)

528 Ths s what i don't get .
they are our neighbors, Why haven't we demanded ;threatened the Mexican elite ?
If we can go around the world to help a distressed popultion. why are we not leaning on Mexicos elite in power to d right bytheir citizens?
mexico is full of resourses why aren't they using them as resources / job creation more to lift their citizens up also?

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM (hX8cq)

529
"You can't expel millions of people without a humanitarian nightmare --
it's just wrong. So, here they are. For citizenship, just keep the same
process as now. "

Posted by: Ken

We've been deporting 500,000 to 700,000 every year for the last ten years or so. Which means we've deported over five million. So you're wrong we do deport millions. If we seal the borders deny services and employment, they will mostly self-deport within ten years.

It's not that we can't do it.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM (Z6XSF)

530 >>>496 Kabong , OT question, do you think Walker in 2016 for POTUS is doable?

Not sure. I think the issue with Walker is that while we all supported his fight, we don't really know anything about him. He's kind of a career politician and other than pissing off hippies in Wisconsin, he's comes off as very Generic Republican.

Not a bad choice, but not a great one.

Since I'm in a desperate mood, I'd run Martinez and get the double whammy of Women + Hispanic. Pandering is awesome.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM (YSkOI)

531 hey mirror-universe mitt, i'm all for having the private sector help them out vs us via the gov't.

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM (I4T7l)

532 You want me to lay out a plan to wrest control of the Federal Government from the Democrats and Republicans, an if I do not, then we really should shut up and go along with Amnesty?

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:43 PM (sRus3)

Oh. You've give up on Republicans, and "voting" and stuff. I was asking for a plan that could be implemented via the political system we are going to have for years to come. If you've checked out of that, then don't bother. I would never imply that you need to shut up. I happen to agree with your policy goals. I just want to try to achieve them.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM (9G+G5)

533 I'm not afraid of an "instant Democrat permanent majority." I'm the most responsible man in DC.

Posted by: John Boehner, between tearful breaks at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM (AZGON)

534 "permanent hiring shortage" = industry doesn't want to pay American wages, so outsources or brings in H1-B indentured servants.

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM (i8u8P)

535 If you really believe Amnesty is going to get you votes......it won't.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM (OWjjx)

536 "We attract hard-working, family-oriented immigrants from Latin America...

How does a 50% illigitmacy rate and a crime rate that is 17x the rate of whites square with your absurd statement?


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM (0fxcV)

537 So you're essentially saying:
1 ) The signers of the Constitution thought the breaking of cease-fires were just peachy and warrant no further action?
2 ) Unless a piece of legislation literally has the heading "A Declaration of War," it doesn't count?
Congress passed legislation, and because it doesn't have your feather-penned title, it doesn't count?
Again fetishistic, wall-eyed bullshit.


Posted by: burned cut-loop

1) A cease-fire in another undeclared war. We can go around this forever but it's reductio ad absurdum.

2) Yes. It's a litmus test. If you can't get a majority to vote to declare war (and thus have to defend the vote to their constituents), then you have no business sending Americans to die in war.

3) Yes. You want to talk about responsibility, adulthood, sober decisionmaking, etc.? Then if you're going to invade a country with what is in reality -- War -- then fucking be a responsible, sober adult and declare it.

You sound like a liberal Dem; you know, whatever feels good, do it.

BTW, what do you have against my position? What's wrong with asking Congress to declare war?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM (dZ756)

538 It's only anecdotal, I know, but I know quite a few Hispanics who were very strong Romney supporters. Were/are totally depressed by Obama's victory. They happen to be e.g. businessmen, small-business owners, doctors (and their family members). But they're Hispanic, and they can't stand Obama.

I'm "half-Hispanic" myself.

There *are* Hispanic conservatives and more *potential* Hispanic conservatives out there.

Amnesty per se is not necessarily the way to bring them in (many may well be against amnesty). But the way many Republicans/ conservatives talk about Hispanics in general could really use some work.

Posted by: lael at November 08, 2012 10:02 PM (tUcg9)

539 I can't wait for tommorow and Boehner announces we are in favor of statehood for D.C.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 10:02 PM (OWjjx)

540 I was asking for a plan that could be implemented via the political system we are going to have for years to come.

First, vote No on Amnesty.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at November 08, 2012 10:02 PM (QupBk)

541 Unexpecedly! Another downgrade.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/state-dept-briefing-foreign-reporters-we-re-going-get-downgraded

I must have missed the discussion of this by the Administration before the election.

Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 10:02 PM (RIg+t)

542 American citizenship is a prize, to be earned. Not sto


*steals letters, runs off*

Posted by: the final solution to the Republican problem at November 08, 2012 10:03 PM (AZGON)

543 ahhh thanks @blindside. smokeyjoegrasshopper is still learning...

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 10:03 PM (I4T7l)

544 In other words, a natural GOP constituency.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 08, 2012 09:44 PM (0fxcV)

Keep in mind, we don't need a majority of the latino vote. But we need to do better than 30%. And we need to win over white voters who aren't hardcore on the issue. That's all. Doesn't take much to move the needle.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:04 PM (9G+G5)

545 Maybe by the weekend Boehner can advance the idea of repealing the Constitutional restriction on Obama running for third term.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 10:04 PM (OWjjx)

546 We have a big country that needs people. Let them come.
Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (3ar4L)


The answer is to end collectivism, not feed it more people.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 10:05 PM (sRus3)

547 What's wrong with asking Congress to declare war?

They did.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at November 08, 2012 10:05 PM (QupBk)

548 "Upon opening in some precincts, some polling place judges had difficulty locating voters in the poll book, because they were not searching from the front to back and therefore missing the front section," Anderson said in a statement. "We have been in contact with our polling locations to re-instruct them on the training issue and resolved the earlier confusion."

I've been instructed by this woman, Anderson, and I trust her skills more than any poll worker I've met.

Posted by: twoslaps at November 08, 2012 10:06 PM (nrr3F)

549
Ken, how do you square a real unemployment rate of almost 20%, more like 25-30% for unskilled workers, with the idea that we "need people ?"
I'm not for putting every illegal on a bus but I can't accept the Linda Chavez argument that letting them all stay without repurcussion is good for the economy, or society in general, either.
I also don't accept that it's simply impossible for employers to verify immigration status. Employers here in CA know they're hiring illegals and don't want to verify. I suspect that's true in AZ, TX and elsewhere.
If I'm going to be persuaded to offer any form of "DREAM Act" or amnesty, limited or otherwise, I need credible grounds, not rationalizations born of speculation and knee-jerk attribution of the whole electoral debacle to one issue.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 08, 2012 10:06 PM (WLuv5)

550 @528

I don't know when it happened because I don't remember taking a vote on it, but America has signed up to be Mexico's pressure relief valve.

It is incumbent upon America to Educate, incarcerate, employ and care for Mexico's excess population.

And now the elites want to do it again.

And they will.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 08, 2012 10:06 PM (0fxcV)

551 Thinking about it, I don't believe Boehner's playing some sort of sly-as-a-fox game with the President. He said he slept like a baby on election night, remember, while the rest of us tossed and turned, agonizing over the unertainties facing the country, filled with equal mixtures of grief, anxiety, and dread. Boehner brought up 'comprehensive immigration reform' without urging from the White House. He reminded us that Obamacare is the law of the land, and remarked on his cordial relationship to the President. He's seemingly eager to compromise on the debt ceiling and fiscal cliff, and do all he can to forestall sequestration.

So no, there's no clever trap waiting for the Democrats laid by our wily Speaker. He fully intends to cooperate in that great, much talked-aboutbipartisan spirit which somehow only Republicans seem to practice. Like Justice Roberts and Chris Christie, he appears ready to do what he can to accommodate the New Normal.

Quislings, all of them. We're confronted by a stealth socialist takeover of the federal government by the mostruthlessand corrupt gang of machine politicians and operators ever to occupy the Executive Branch, and we've got Republican leadership playing go along to get along. Infuriating.

Posted by: troyriser at November 08, 2012 10:06 PM (vtiE6)

552
i've been looking but i haven't found where it says voting must be made as easy as possible without restrictions

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 10:06 PM (qEts0)

553 I'm going to repost something I posted upthread because I think it's sort of important:

Ok, so here's the problem. All (or most) of their children (and any new children they produce) have citizenship. What now?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 10:07 PM (uvzjj)

554 The new mantra should be that the racist Democrats just defeated the first Chicano Presidential candidate.

Clearly they hate legal successful Spanish speaking immigrants , and want them to work under the table, and in our fields off the books. Nullify their own BS arguments.

Posted by: hjhg at November 08, 2012 10:07 PM (Up5FM)

555 "It's a loaded word, but....Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group."

I keep hearing howwhite Americans are dying off, and a dwindling minority. Does the destruction have to be violent?"


The loaded part is the problem. It's almost always used in a historical sense and everyday speech to mean the murdering (not figuratively, but actual murdering) of an ethnic group.

If somebody doesn't mean "murdering" there's a bunch of words he could use if they're arguing in good faith. If someone's using that term and isn't referring to that, he's probably not arguing in good faith and is probably trying to justify something he couldn't justify with a less loaded word.

Posted by: AD at November 08, 2012 10:08 PM (WA6uU)

556 There is no way for an employer to make sure somebody is here legally.

There is, if the employer has a broader right to refuse, and the state places the burden of proof of citizenship on the applicant, and actually checks his records under challenge. And frankly, I have met illegals, and so have you. They are fucking obvious. Hello.

Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2012 10:08 PM (yGblt)

557 So, Boehner, if your gonna surrender can you at least do it on the deck of the Missouri so it looks good in the history books.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 10:08 PM (OWjjx)

558 I've advocated doing something for years and that plan has not a thing at all to do with amnesty. Protect the border.

That's been my plan too. Guess what? We don't have enough support. Accept it, or tell me how you plan to win that support.

ALL I WANT is to be able to secure my country's fucking border. I am pissed that mine is the only nation in the history of man to have to plead for this. But we waited too long, and now we need to cut a deal. We don't have the support for border control without amnesty.

No one here has yet to offer a political plan to secure the border without amnesty.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:09 PM (9G+G5)

559
From another thread:


If you want or appease the minority vote:

Your future is = Detroit

The tribal vote will NEVER change.

I'm a lifelong Michigander. Detroit NEVER got better. Minorities took over the city and each round got worse and worse. NEVER better.

Posted by: Micihgan and Oiho at November 08, 2012 10:09 PM (wVKQg)

560 Why is it bad to oppose white genocide, Armando? Pray, tell.

Who said I was for anybody's genocide?

The reason I'm asking Ace or whoever is in charge of the blog right now to drop the TBH3K on the Lightbringer is because I'm an individualist. As an individualist, I hate, hate, hate identity politics. It does nothing but divide us into easily-led, color-coded tribes, exactly what the powers that be want to do. Frankly, I came to the conclusion a long, long time ago that the only reason racism exists is because it is politically beneficial for the Democrat Party. For fuck's sake, I'm not necessarily saying I believe this, but if it were to come to light that the only reason David Duke isn't ekeing a living giving handjobs between shifts pumping gas is because he gets two attache cases full of used tens and twenties from Jesse Jackson's bagman, I wouldn't be totally surprised.

The second racism stops being politically beneficial for the Democrats, the second groups like the NAACP, La Raza, and MeCHA become a liability, it will get dropped like a bad habit. And if you don't believe that can't happen, just read some of the threads today about how we should drop the SoCons. Of course, how you get them to that stage is an open question, but I think the key is encouraging assimilation uber alles, border security, and actually cracking down on employers that use illegals.

More easily said than done, of course, but I really don't see any other alternative than doesn't eventually lead to some kind of racial conflict. Then again, we could just let the whole thing burn, and rebuild with the help of anyone, regardless of the amount of melanin in their skin, dedicated to the cause of liberty.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 10:09 PM (IDypm)

561
Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 10:03 PM (I4T7l)
It's all good sweetie - wasn't trying to be mean, just pointing out that MOST issues are State issues that have been illegally assumed by the Federal Government. It isn't your fault. Our 'school' system has indoctrinated most of us and it's hard to break out of those false teachings.

Stick with us - I think you'll do well.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 10:09 PM (2rf52)

562 Amnesty only works if you shut the border down. They will never do it...So No Deal...Period!

Bottom-Line: The way to be competitive on Cultural Issues and Ideology is to kill the Republican Party.....and have only Democrats, that way the policy stances can't be Branded.

When you say "Republican," people's brains shut down....It's called "conditioning," and three generations in a row have been subjected to it from almost birth thru school and media. Forget about the Republican Party.....your never going to make it Cool.

Infiltrate the Democrat Party and sell Free-Market Capitalism & Conservatism under a different Logo, a Logo that already has Street Credit to the Fucking Idiots in this Country.

It can be done.....The Democrats have done it to us several times. Its the only way!

Posted by: Jimi at November 08, 2012 10:10 PM (uvNSk)

563 @blindside, oh i'm with ya. Been lurking here for years. :-)

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 10:11 PM (I4T7l)

564 Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM (9G+G5)

For crying out loud.

Look, pal, just vote NO on Amnesty.

Then support folks who will build a fence.

How do you get folks like that to run? Not sure, but I bet a good starting place is NO AMNESTY.

So, there you have the beginning of a concrete plan.

Step 1: No Amnesty.

Feel free to add steps of your own.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 10:11 PM (sRus3)

565
"There is no way for an employer to make sure somebody is here legally. It is too easy to get phoney documents, and your local dry cleaners don't employ any document verification experts. Threaten them with jail for hiring the wrong person, and they might not hire anybody."
Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (3ar4L)

A driver's license with a magnetic strip is that super easy to produce? How about a hundred dollar bill? Is that really that easy to produce?
We aren't trying. That's the problem. WE REALLY AREN'T TRYING.
And we don't need more "people" here. We need more English speaking, self-sufficient, law abiding citizens.



Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2012 10:12 PM (8cOY0)

566 The way things are going, the political elites are gonna start bellowing for patents of nobility.

Posted by: mrp at November 08, 2012 10:13 PM (HjPtV)

567 I don't know how to do it, but I do know that it not enough to make me surrender to Amnesty.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 09:52 PM (sRus3)

eman, we are surrendering now.

Every year you hold out on principle is another few million Democrats pouring across the border. I know about the 1986 amnesty. I know we *might* not get border control with 2013 amnesty. But I also know we definitely WON'T get it without amnesty.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:13 PM (9G+G5)

568 If those fucking spineless RINO's cave, I'm out of the party.

Posted by: Big T Party at November 08, 2012 10:14 PM (df8Sh)

569 538 Lael - that's what I'm talking about. I think some of the rhetoric surrounding the immigration issue is insulting and needs to be toned down, not necessarily the whole policy of enforcement before amnesty. I'm willing to keep slapping down the offensive voices and reminding people that we stand for a country where anyone from anywhere can come herelegally and prosper on their merits. I'm willing to consider making it easier to come here legally (upping quotas, etc). You make a good point that merely supporting amnesty won't win the Hispanic vote when what's really turning off Hispanics is some folks among the GOP and conservative ranks talking about them like Democrats talk about blacks. Such as assuming they'll bloc-vote for whoever proposes the biggest amnesty for illegals. There's a lot more to winning the Hispanic vote than pandering on one issue. That's why we should actually analyze the results, talk to the voters (starting with our own base) and talk with Hispanics both inside and outside the GOP before we start making snap decisions on one of the biggest issues this side of healthcare.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 08, 2012 10:14 PM (WLuv5)

570 This has probably been said but it's clear Boehner needs to be replaced. He isn't up to the fight. Put in someone who is.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 08, 2012 10:14 PM (DoZD+)

571 Husband sat with a guy tonight who was an Army Ranger. Got out after Barky was elected.

We'll see much more of this. No one wants to serve under a Marxist tool.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 10:15 PM (UOM48)

572 its only matter of time until the mexican drug cartels infiltrate the democratic party,i imagine they've been buying off dems for years already

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 10:15 PM (qEts0)

573 570 This has probably been said but it's clear Boehner needs to be replaced. He isn't up to the fight. Put in someone who is.

I did like Levin's idea of putting Scott Walker in there. As he's pointed out, the Speaker doesn't have to be from the House or even in elected office.

Doesn't have to be Walker, either. Could be anyone.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 10:16 PM (YSkOI)

574 Is Boehner a reincarnation of Marshal Petain? I think that my member of Congress needs to not vote for this defeatist for Congress.

he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:


Posted by: wg at November 08, 2012 10:16 PM (AS8Im)

575 Waah, don't replace me.sniff.

Posted by: John Boner at November 08, 2012 10:16 PM (NIZHJ)

576 From the mid-1980s to 2005, California's population grew by 10 million, while Medicaid recipients soared by seven million; tax filers paying income taxes rose by just 150,000; and the prison population swelled by 115,000.

Posted by: PC14 at November 08, 2012 10:17 PM (PFIGD)

577 @TheQuietMan that's the problem with welfare, food stamps, and our congress - no term limits. Time limits are key IMO. by the way your moniker is one of my favorite movies of all time.

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 10:17 PM (I4T7l)

578 Every year you hold out on principle is another few million Democrats pouring across the border. I know about the 1986 amnesty. I know we *might* not get border control with 2013 amnesty. But I also know we definitely WON'T get it without amnesty.
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:13 PM (9G+G5)

You have it wrong. With Amnesty border security is impossible. Why build a fence after the migrants get what they want? If you would do it then, why not do it now?

The only way to have any chance of getting the Fence is to deny them Amnesty.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 10:18 PM (sRus3)

579 And the emboning continues. We really lost everything on Tuesday, didn't we?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 08, 2012 10:18 PM (i0App)

580 Ken
If we needed people we would have no unemployment. We don't need people.



Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM

I am assuming in all things that we get our government straightened out. Reduced. Limited. Out of the way so we can again have economic growth.

I remember 1999 when we had less than 4% unemployment. We can do that easily if we get rid of the socialists and crony capitalists and big government hacks of all parties. If we don't, immigration reform won't really matter -- we'll be Greece and illegals will be paying Coyotes to get them back to Mexico.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 10:18 PM (3ar4L)

581
There is no way for an employer to make sure somebody is here legally.
Posted by: Ken




I-9 + eVerify + DHS audit.

Which is what large firms are having to do now. Don't know how far down the business food-chain that requirement goes yet.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 10:19 PM (kdS6q)

582 >>>579 And the emboning continues. We really lost everything on Tuesday, didn't we?

Enemies are most dangerous when they have nothing left to lose.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 10:19 PM (YSkOI)

583 @576

You just wait till California finally folds under the pressure...probably will happen in the next earthquake. It will be blood bath!

Do you really believe any Americans will go to California to help them?....

Posted by: Jimi at November 08, 2012 10:20 PM (uvNSk)

584 I'm done with you.

Posted by: dogfish at November 08, 2012 09:58 PM (N2yhW)

By "you" you mean "reality."

You refuse to say HOW THE FUCK you secure the border, politically. You are content to stand on Internet Principle while doing not a damn thing in the Real World to fix the problem. You repeat a wish list of what Should Be, without a realistic plan to get there, and think you helped the conservative cause. You haven't.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:21 PM (9G+G5)

585 I think Republicans have ALWAYS been agreeable to reform, AFTER the border is secure.

If it makes headway by framing it this way, so be it. But I agree about the people who are stuck in the system, trying to abide by our laws. Front of the line amnesty or any type of citizenship is a poke in the eye to them.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2012 10:21 PM (gjIQF)

586
I really thought the only bright spot about this election was at least i wouldn't have to hear hannity say dirty air and water ever again,but the douchebag is still doing it

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 10:21 PM (qEts0)

587 CJ: "No one here has yet to offer a political plan to secure the border without amnesty."

Look. The current and standing viable plan is to enforce. current. law. Why in the world would one say, "Well, we need a law to make us follow the laws."? The laws are on the books. What's not happening is enforcement. Why would ignoring that and then subjugating yourself to, "we won't enforce current law until we add on amnesty and a bunch of other bullshit laws we won't follow all of which will exacerbate our failure" matter?

We have the tools. Enforce the law. Amnesty is a death blow for conservatism. Reagan tried it. It was a spectacular failure. Under no condition can amnesty be accepted.

And to be even more melodramatic, personally, if Boehner et al. push amnesty, I'm done with the GOP. I'm a GOP-voting Indie/Libertarian, but if the GOP doesn't want to preserve even itself, then I'm done fighting for it. Best it die an ignominious, inevitable death without my energies or money.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 08, 2012 10:22 PM (eHIJJ)

588 It's not that we can't do it.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM (Z6XSF)

Tell me how you get elected with mass deportations. Be the first to take a shot at it.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:23 PM (9G+G5)

589 Honestly?? "We need to deal with immigration"?
That's rich coming from Washington politicians. Last time I checked this country had immigration laws on the books and if they had only been enforced we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
I'm sorry, but the last thing we need to do is open the floodgates AGAIN. It's not like they are going to be voting in the best interest of this country...they will be voting for handouts.

Posted by: Christmasghost at November 08, 2012 10:23 PM (CkK+I)

590 If David Vitter and right wing idealogues hadn't been such sorry pos when Bush tried to pass this in 2005 you might not have seen the Dem Sweep in 2006, 08 election and 12 reelection.
Hearing Hannity say "i've evolved" is enough to make me throw up. What is next? Rush says he loves tacos and the idea of an immigration bill?
We complain about the leftwing media but forget the garden path the far right celebs have taken us down re immigration....

Posted by: Brad at November 08, 2012 10:23 PM (g06xs)

591 583 Jimi - Californians tripled-down on stupid, raising taxes at every opportunity on election day. Commercials in support of the "Amazon tax" even claimed it would create jobs. Bastiat is either laughing or weeping. Don't lift a finger to save us - let the m-fer burn. The pending CA bankruptcyshould be cited as the "Wyatt's Torch" for the rest of the country. Let it burn.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 08, 2012 10:23 PM (WLuv5)

592 There is no Hail Mary pass to throw or catch.

All we can do is resist the Communists at every turn and wait for the Collapse to reset the board.

It can't be stopped, but if we are diligent and smart, we can keep the Collapse from going Mad Max and instead turn it into something good.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 10:24 PM (sRus3)

593 "You just wait till California finally folds under the
pressure...probably will happen in the next earthquake. It will be blood
bath!"

This "earthquake". Do you know how to start one?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 10:24 PM (ymG7s)

594 Hannity.....BLECH!

You've "evolved," huh? Going to fall for that ol' Lucy football trick by demanding enforcement before amnesty. HOW THE F*K did that work out for Reagan?

Hannity sits behind high-income safety gates in an exclusive neighborhood....."I've been blessed," he says over and over and over again. Went on a border tour once and thinks he's now an expert.

Live in So. Cal, pal! See the extremely young pregnant moms with 4 other young kids in tow hoofing it to the free clinics put up in local communities. See them in line at the grocery store with their WIC and EBT cards. Yeah, conservatives in the making, all.

Why the certainty of Republicans that Latinos will be conservative? Because they go to Mass. They are part of the Catholic Church, so they must be conservative. B-fucking-S! The Catholic Church, especially in Mexico, is all about redistribution. And repubs think amnesty is their winning ticket? Wrong, yet again. It's all about free stuff. Add amnesty and you have free stuff in the millions.

Hannity, you are a fool.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 08, 2012 10:24 PM (Q5Fj9)

595 "You can't expel millions of people without a humanitarian nightmare --

it's just wrong. So, here they are. For citizenship, just keep the same

process as now. "

Posted by: Ken

We've been deporting
500,000 to 700,000 every year for the last ten years or so. Which means
we've deported over five million. So you're wrong we do deport millions.
If we seal the borders deny services and employment, they will mostly
self-deport within ten years.

It's not that we can't do it.

posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM

You make a good point.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 10:24 PM (3ar4L)

596 First, vote No on Amnesty.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at November 08, 2012 10:02 PM (QupBk)

And millions of Democrats are still pouring over our border. Congrats. You won the approval of fellow blog commenters and nothing else.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:24 PM (9G+G5)

597 "We attract hard-working, family-oriented immigrants from Latin America...

How does a 50% illigitmacy rate and a crime rate that is 17x the rate of whites square with your absurd statement?




Posted by: General Woundwort at November 08, 2012 10:01 PM

I didn't write "well-read, law-abiding immigrants", did I?

I'm sorry I stirred the pot, guys. I'll go back to lurking.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 10:26 PM (3ar4L)

598 "570 This has probably been said but it's clear Boehner needs to be replaced. He isn't up to the fight. Put in someone who is.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 08, 2012 10:14 PM (DoZD+) "

Here's the thing. The Ds are going to ram amnesty through Congress (with enough R defectors). Boner is trying to get out in front and get us some credit for it (and maybe border enforcement). That's all.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 10:27 PM (uvzjj)

599 No one here has yet to offer a political plan to secure the border without amnesty. Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:09 PM (9G+G5) CJ, we went down this road in 1986. Amnesty for border security. Amnesty materialized, bordersecurity didn't. Now we're back for round 2. You don't seem to understand: Any plan of 'Amnesty for border control' is a lie. The Democrats lie about everything. Every. Single. Thing. Look ,theyare even lying that the border is more secure than it has ever been as we write on this blog. They'll trot this out. The only reason they want amnesty is to expand their voting base. Then they won't even need independents to vote for them. Amnesty for border control is a lie. It always has been. It always will be. Like everything else they 'promise'.They lied about Benghazi, about the stimulus, about green jobs, about Fast and Furious, about uniting the country. The list goes on and on. Now they lie openly and brazenly break promises.We are dealing with an enemy - not a political enemy, but an enemy as real as Al Qaeda, who wishes to destroy us. They hate us. Theyhateour history. They hate that they don't have as much as the guy up the street. They hate what we stand for, our work ethic, our sense of loyalty and patriotism.They have instilled all of this hatred into their voting base. And that baseis growing. I've said this many times - if they thought they could round us all up and kills us or put us into gulags, they would. The time is coming when they will try. Will we let them try on their terms, or at our own time of choosing. And how will we resist?Those are the only questions that remain, and bothWILL be answered.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 10:27 PM (2rf52)

600 "571 Husband sat with a guy tonight who was an Army Ranger. Got out after Barky was elected.

We'll see much more of this. No one wants to serve under a Marxist tool.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 10:15 PM (UOM4 "

Yep.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 10:27 PM (uvzjj)

601 You refuse to say HOW THE FUCK you secure the border, politically. You are content to stand on Internet Principle while doing not a damn thing in the Real World to fix the problem. You repeat a wish list of what Should Be, without a realistic plan to get there, and think you helped the conservative cause. You haven't.
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:21 PM (9G+G5)

Stop being obtuse.

The first step is deny them what want: no amnesty.

The support enforcing the present law.

Vote for people who say no to amnesty and yes to law enforcement, real enforcement.

Then let the tide turn.

That is the plan.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 10:28 PM (sRus3)

602 No government agency is capable or willing to check the records of all immigrants to separate the good from the bad.

Remember, this is the government that issue visas to M. Atta and his nutjob accomplices six months after they attacked us on 9/11.

These are the clowns who cannot even effectively manage the fucking Do Not Call list.

And they are going to find the bad immigrants and deny them entry? HA!


Posted by: PJ at November 08, 2012 10:29 PM (ZWaLo)

603
HAS ANYBODY BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO ALLEN WEST IN FLORIDA.
Fuck, is anybody here anymore.
He has PULLED AHEAD in super dem Palm Beach County, and may be on his way to a win because he demanded a fucking recount.
And he was behind about 2600 votes.
HOW MANY VOTES ARE NOT BEING REGISTERED. This is one district.
Romney should fucking demand a recount on paper ballots.
BAN ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES.
PAPER BALLETS ARE A NECESSITY.
The last thing on my list, when the fuck is the GOP going to get serious about challenging voter fraud.
WHEN!!!!!!!!
One man stands up, and oh, I guess he might not have lost.
FUCK..........

Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:30 PM (TZzO/)

604
Why doesn't John Boehner understand if I wanted all the things the democratic party wanted I would have become a democrat?

I'm serious, its not a f'n football team where I want the home team to win. Its because I have thought about our constitution, and politics and philosophy. And I came to the conclusion that conservatism works. Much better than anything else.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 10:31 PM (PHb2k)

605
Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:30 PM (TZzO/)

That's a small ray of light in otherwise pitch darkness. Good man, Allen West.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 10:32 PM (2rf52)

606 no. no amnesty.

this is a wedge. Enforcement wins votes. Amnesty pisses everyone off

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2012 10:33 PM (Z3ckx)

607 The loaded part is the problem. It's almost always used in a historical sense and everyday speech to mean the murdering (not figuratively, but actual murdering) of an ethnic group.

Well, historical sense.... A quick search finds wikipedia:

[Raphael] Lemkin [who coiled the term] defined genocide as follows: "Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups..

There is definitely a difference between a violent genocide and the mere displacement of a "culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups."

But...damn. The fact that we're having to discuss the distinction....

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:33 PM (9G+G5)

608 Fuck It!

Give'em Amnesty...It isn't gonna matter anyway there is no Fucking Jobs or Money. Flood the Mother Fucker with Breeders and turn the Bitch into a Third World Shit-Hole....I don't give Fuck anymore!

Posted by: Jimi at November 08, 2012 10:33 PM (uvNSk)

609 And now the Repubs will listen to the democrats and dig their own graves.

Posted by: Pyrrho of Elis II: The Secret of the Ooze at November 08, 2012 10:33 PM (Kd6lF)

610 Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:30 PM (TZzO/)

There is a Gentleman's Agreement between the GOP and the Dems that voter fraud simply does not exist.

What Allen West did is enough to get him my vote.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 10:34 PM (sRus3)

611 @prescient I totally agree. Mitt is totally pulling a McCain - he needs to have all swing states audited. As God is my witness, it just doesn't add up - I truly believe Obama stlole the election via fraud.

Posted by: smokeyjoegirl at November 08, 2012 10:35 PM (I4T7l)

612 I think there's a way here.

First, secure the border. Yes, that'll likely never happen. Therefore everything else about to come is moot. But it's a requirement. As part of that, punish business owners that hire illegals, and hard. Make it so that hiring illegals is absolutely toxic to their bottom line. As the saying goes, punish the johns, not the prostitutes.

If by some grace of god we get that, full amnesty should not be on the table. Let the people here stay, because that ship as sailed, and they'll get legal rights and protection, but they don't get to vote and they don't get their government freebies, and they've got to pay taxes. They want that, they've got to naturalize or take some other path to citizenship. And deport the ones that are convicted of anything more than a moving violation.

Oh, and make sure you can take credit for this. Do it around or after 2014, if possible. Obama will be a paraplegic duck by then.

Posted by: TheRedBaron at November 08, 2012 10:35 PM (0TRVx)

613
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 10:31 PM (PHb2k)
He is desperate to hang onto power and he is a weak man with no real principles.

Such men will abandon their positions poste-haste when the chips are down.

Posted by: blindside at November 08, 2012 10:36 PM (2rf52)

614 Really CJ, why are you having a problem? No, Odumbass is not going to finish the fence and put the military on the border. So there is not a politcal solution to that right now.

That does not mean you offer amnesty.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 10:36 PM (PHb2k)

615 Our economic crash will do the deporting for us. Rats leave a sinking ship...

Posted by: Christmasghost at November 08, 2012 10:37 PM (CkK+I)

616 This "earthquake". Do you know how to start one?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 10:24 PM (ymG7s)



Boobehs!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor AfriCon American Lover at November 08, 2012 10:37 PM (2rMmy)

617 "609 And now the Repubs will listen to the democrats and dig their own graves.

Posted by: Pyrrho of Elis II: The Secret of the Ooze at November 08, 2012 10:33 PM (Kd6lF) "

Our graves are dug either way.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 10:38 PM (uvzjj)

618 Tell me how you get elected with mass deportations. Be the first to take a shot at it.
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:23 PM

How's that increasingly hispanic US electorate working out for us, huh? But yeah, maybe what the world really needs is one more Latin American country.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at November 08, 2012 10:38 PM (FeFBS)

619 It will speed the collapse.

I say do it.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 08, 2012 10:40 PM (OY/SZ)

620 Look, pal, just vote NO on Amnesty. Then support folks who will build a fence.

So, keep doing what we've been doing. How many more millions of Democrat voters have to invade my country before your vague plan to build a governing majority succeeds?

We will NEVER win the White House and Congress on a platform of mass deportation. I wish we could. There was a time we could. But we blew it. So your approach is a Web Only approach, that allows you to stand on principle each year while millions of Democrats pour over the border, but, hey, John Freakin' Boner!

Every year we don't secure the border is a year closer to the death of conservatism.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:40 PM (9G+G5)

621 Allen West -- the only person to say not just No but fuck no! He is going down with a fight. Wish I could say the same for the rest. True soldier.

Posted by: osu at November 08, 2012 10:40 PM (xR46S)

622 "618 Tell me how you get elected with mass deportations. Be the first to take a shot at it.
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:23 PM

How's that increasingly hispanic US electorate working out for us, huh? But yeah, maybe what the world really needs is one more Latin American country.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at November 08, 2012 10:38 PM (FeFBS) "

No, what the world needs is fewer Socialist countries.

(And if we piss on Hispanics, instead of reaching out to them, they won't like us that much. Astounding.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 10:41 PM (uvzjj)

623 The only way to have any chance of getting the Fence is to deny them Amnesty.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 10:18 PM (sRus3)

I will ask one last time: Please play out the scenario that gets us from Denying Amnesty to a Fence. Really. Because I will support it if you really thought this out.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:43 PM (9G+G5)

624
tell us how to secure the border with Odumbass in power CJ.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 10:44 PM (PHb2k)

625 Unacceptable.

Maybe those 3 million GOP hold-outs were onto something. Should've let the Dems have the House too, at this rate.

Don't know anymore.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 08, 2012 10:45 PM (MRcfR)

626 @611

So does anyone with Half-a-Brain. The problem is that maybe Romney knows he couldn't fix it, and doesn't want to take the fall for something he had nothing to do with.


Posted by: Jimi at November 08, 2012 10:45 PM (uvNSk)

627 "603
HAS ANYBODY BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO ALLEN WEST IN FLORIDA.
Fuck, is anybody here anymore.
He has PULLED AHEAD in super dem Palm Beach County, and may be on his way to a win because he demanded a fucking recount.
And he was behind about 2600 votes.
HOW MANY VOTES ARE NOT BEING REGISTERED. This is one district.
Romney should fucking demand a recount on paper ballots.
BAN ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES.
PAPER BALLETS ARE A NECESSITY.
The last thing on my list, when the fuck is the GOP going to get serious about challenging voter fraud.
WHEN!!!!!!!!
One man stands up, and oh, I guess he might not have lost.
FUCK..........
Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:30 PM (TZzO/)"

This.

A thousand times, this.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 08, 2012 10:46 PM (MRcfR)

628
Ken, no need to lurk - we've all said shit that others called us out for here - no worries. You're not trolling, just relying onerroneous or incomplete information - infothat's been provided in the WSJ and National Review, among many other respected Right media sources, so no big foul there either. Stay in the discussion - none of us are right about everything all the time.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 08, 2012 10:48 PM (WLuv5)

629 Look. The current and standing viable plan is to enforce. current. law

Listen. Your plan is not current or viable. It's decades old and has been rejected politically. If it was politically viable, it would have been done.

If I had it my way, I'd deport all illegals now and build a fence. But I don't have it my way. We had TOTAL GOP CONTROL under Bush and we didn't do it because there was not enough public support.

Every year you hold out to demonstrate your political purity is another million or so Democrats invading my country.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:50 PM (9G+G5)

630 How's that increasingly hispanic US electorate working out for us, huh? But yeah, maybe what the world really needs is one more Latin American country.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at November 08, 2012 10:38 PM (FeFBS)

That's my point. You can't win support for border control while supporting deporations. So stop it. Stop holding out for something you know damn well won't happen, and do whatever it takes to stop the invasion. Now.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:52 PM (9G+G5)

631 no,give them taxes. no amnesty.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2012 10:54 PM (Z3ckx)

632 Really CJ, why are you having a problem? No, Odumbass is not going to finish the fence and put the military on the border. So there is not a politcal solution to that right now. That does not mean you offer amnesty.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 10:36 PM (PHb2k)

What I have been asking is, what is your political solution (also know as "an actual solution") in the long run? So vote no on amnesty. Then what? Get me from there to a fence. How does it play out?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 10:54 PM (9G+G5)

633 E-verify for ALL employers in border states.
Do what AZ did. If you get caught with illegals on the payroll, business license suspended for 30 days.
Caught again? License revoked forever.
They will self-deport.

Posted by: ChrisP at November 08, 2012 10:56 PM (G+4K3)

634
CJ, once again, you can't get border control while Odumbass is in power. It has nothing to do with deportations.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 10:56 PM (PHb2k)

635 Vote for people who say no to amnesty and yes to law enforcement, real enforcement. Then let the tide turn.

Like I said, do what we've been doing for the last two decades. How many millions of Democrats did we create with that plan? There is no more time to wait for the tide to turn. Every year you hold out on principle makes it less likely, statistically, that anything will turn.You either put up a realistic plan to give us a shot at border control now, or just concede you're willing to sink the country in the name of ideological purity.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:02 PM (9G+G5)

636 Man... I was gonna say something. But I shouldn't say anything.

Test run from the GOP leadership to see how many of their principles are up for sale. The GOP is about jobs... theirs in Congress.

Posted by: Goldgeller at November 08, 2012 11:04 PM (I69yk)

637 CJ,

Isn't any form of amnesty a slap in the face to the millions of people who emigrated here legally, and an even bigger slap to those waiting in line?

As someone said before, people wait 7-10 years to get into our country. They go through the paperwork. They take the tests. They get vetted. And they go through all of it, because they are passionate about becoming a citizen of the greatest country on earth.

It is an absolute insult to these people to offer lawbreakers amnesty.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 08, 2012 11:05 PM (uCR70)

638 CJ, once again, you can't get border control while Odumbass is in power. It has nothing to do with deportations.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 10:56 PM (PHb2k)

You might be right. But how many more Democrat voters are you willing to let in over the next four years?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:05 PM (9G+G5)

639 Posted by: prescient11 at November 08, 2012 10:30 PM (TZzO/)"

I have been looking for updated info on Allen West's recount all day... can you point me?

Posted by: Amy at November 08, 2012 11:06 PM (NpRlM)

640 "No, what the world needs is fewer Socialist countries.

(And if we piss on Hispanics, instead of reaching out to them, they won't like us that much. Astounding.)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 10:41 PM (uvzjj)"

In theory, I'd agree with you.

But it's a false premise. Granting amnesty will gain us nothing with the Hispanics. Rush was all over this today. They vote the way they do for free stuff (is what it is, folks, spare me the "racist!" finger-wagging). Not because of the R immigration policy.

We'll be importing millions more voters who will never repay us with their vote.

It's harder for the conservative side. We can't win by pure pandering. Can't out-Santa Claus Santa Claus.

And in the meantime, the GOP may not ever recover its base if it does this. It's looking more and more like that's what cost us this time, not a solid (D) demographic coalition. See this for more:

http://tinyurl.com/abfoa43

The (R)s are going to do what they're going to do, and I think they're caving hard here. But Boehner's not even TRYING to bargain anymore.

He has to go.

And the GOP has to stop taking its base for granted, or it really will never see the White House again. It's that simple. 3 million GOP voters didn't want anymore of this, and if this is all the GOP has to offer, maybe they were onto something.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 08, 2012 11:07 PM (MRcfR)

641 CJ, Isn't any form of amnesty a slap in the face to the millions of people who emigrated here legally, and an even bigger slap to those waiting in line?

Yes, Tickled Pink, it is. I've been making that argument for years. You know what? No one seems to care. Hell, I'll bet most of the legal immigrants vote democrat.

I just want my border secured. Period. Whatever gets me there quicker gets my support. And no one here has been able to offer a political plan to get us there quicker than amnesty.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:09 PM (9G+G5)

642 But why the quid pro quo? In order to get a fence built, we have to legalize 15 million people? We should not be held hostage in such a way.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 08, 2012 11:12 PM (uCR70)

643 >>>You might be right. But how many more Democrat voters are you willing to let in over the next four years?<<<

Me? zero. Now if you think that giving amnesty will also stop the same people from coming over that were coming anyway, that's just crazy. It would be a great incentive.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:13 PM (PHb2k)

644
CJ, there is no political plan possible as long as we don't have the executive branch and the house and senate. No democrats in power are going to allow a fence even with a deal, it is naive to otherwise thing so.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:15 PM (PHb2k)

645 No, we shouldn't be held hostage that way. But we are. We let the numbers get too high. Yes, I am furious that we are the only nation in the world that has to ask permission to enforce its border. But that is the America we allowed to exist.

No one here could offer a political plan to get us border control without amnesty. No one. They all just say: 1. Oppose Amnesty 2. ???? 3. Secured Border!

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:16 PM (9G+G5)

646 No one here could offer a political plan to get us border control without amnesty. No one. They all just say: 1. Oppose Amnesty 2. ???? 3. Secured Border!
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:16 PM (9G+G5)

Bullshit.

You are lying.

That is not what was said.

Asshole.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:18 PM (sRus3)

647 An earlier post here linked to the Pew study. By a ratio of 49 -41, Americans in general prefer a less active government. I don't remember the exact figure, but Hispanics favor more government by a ratio of something like 71 -19, with younger Hispanics favoring it by even more.
Republicans are not going to help themselves or our country by playing nice with amnesty.

Posted by: Jim Flimsey at November 08, 2012 11:19 PM (T9V22)

648
NO POLITCAL PLAN IS POSSIBLE TO SECURE THE BORDER WITH OR WITHOUT AMNESTY. THE DEMOCRATS WILL NOT DO IT, EVEN IF IT IS PART OF A DEAL, THEY WILL GIVE THE AMNESTY AND STILL NOT SECURE THE BORDER.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:20 PM (PHb2k)

649 Guy,

We HAD the White House, Senate and House and didn't do it. Because there was not enough political support. You want to expend political effort to win back the federal government, and then,IF we have total control, even more than in the 2000s, we'll get around to trying to secure the border. That was my old plan.

Now, knowing that won't happen, I'd rather expend political capital on making it politically risky for Democrats to support open borders. I am not naive, I know that politicians will only do what is advantageous to do. If we drop mass deportations and Dems renege on border security, we're on the offensive on immgration for once. It's not the same media landscape as 1986.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (9G+G5)

650 Anyone who supports lawlessness and amnesty can eat shit and die. The Weeping Boner and all these others looking to pander to NON-CITIZENS who are here illegally can suck my dick.

The Weeping Boner, the Kraut and the rest are TOTAL FUCKING SCUM. FOAD, assholes.


The Constitutional Union of American States. Its time has come.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:22 PM (X3lox)

651 The Weeping Boner needs to be put out to pasture in Mexico THIS MINUTE.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:23 PM (X3lox)

652 CJ: "Listen. Your plan is not current or viable. It's decades old and has
been rejected politically. If it was politically viable, it would have
been done."


Then we are a lawless society and more law makes not a lick of difference. So what's the point of validating amnesty with a cleansing law?


CJ: "We had TOTAL GOP CONTROL under Bush and we didn't do it because there was not enough public support."

Yes there was. Public support - not to be confused with political support - was all over it! It was the first time in American history the Congressional phone system was overloaded to the point of failure. And the outrage against amnesty lasted for about two years while Bush/Rove/McCain pushed tirelessly to massage it through. The voters, however, wanted to enforce the law and secure the border; the GOP did not notwithstanding extended posturing that they did. And Bush and the Congress were subsequently punished. It was a position that notified the electorate that the GOP differed little from the Democrats.


CJ: "Every year you hold out to demonstrate your political purity is another million or so Democrats invading my country."

So what? I understand your pragmatism is clearly a more noble endeavor to us "purists," but if illegals are validated, then a) they can vote, and b) yet another wave of illegals will follow. They'll come anyway, right? How is making them voting citizens going to help American sovereignty and conservatives in any way, shape, or form? At the moment, they're a non-voting bloc. Amnesty gives them immediate, permanent, essentially Democrat-voting status. Congratulations. You have just expedited the United Socialist States of America.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 08, 2012 11:24 PM (eHIJJ)

653
CJ, basically I think it wasn't that there was no political support, I think it was there was no political backbone. Now on obamacare which was totally against the majority of people, the dems did it anyway, because it was part of moving the country left. They were totally willing to give up seats and did, but they got what they wanted. Repubs like Boehner need backbone.

I do have a plan that I would use in modern times if I was running for prez, but it does start with securing the border first.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (PHb2k)

654 Ok, seriously. Even if amnesty were the answer, how do you do it without looking like you are caving, and if it looks like you are caving, why would you expect any political gain at all?

Also, are we gonna go to the left of the Dems? Because if we offer amnesty without citizenship, the Dems are going to offer citizenship, and we are in the same "racist" boat we were in before giving amnesty.

Honestly, if amnesty is the play, it has to be seriously thought through to be of any political value whatsoever.

Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (dNx7B)

655 Asshole.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:18 PM (sRus3)

That's what I mean. You're all about winningthe comments thread and tough guy posturing. When challenged how to actually get it done politically, you said 'support candidates who want a fence.'

That's not a plan, Sherlock.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (9G+G5)

656 We HAD the White House, Senate and House and didn't do it. Because there was not enough political support. You want to expend political effort to win back the federal government, and then,IF we have total control, even more than in the 2000s, we'll get around to trying to secure the border. That was my old plan.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:21 PM (9G+G5)


The insane drive for amnesty is what killed the GOP, to begin with, and brought on the Ineligible Indonesian.

Do whatever you want, though. I want a different nation that is actually America that you aren't part of. You can stay in the American Socialist Superstate with your dems and illegals.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (X3lox)

657 Ken, no need to lurk - we've all said shit that
others called us out for here - no worries. You're not trolling, just
relying onerroneous or incomplete information - infothat's been provided
in the WSJ and National Review, among many other respected Right media
sources, so no big foul there either. Stay in the discussion - none of
us are right about everything all the time.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 08, 2012 10:48 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I thought I was wrong. I don't. I think this enforcement stuff is absurd. We need to get over it. Our country, if properly governed -- that is, governed not very much -- can absorb many people.

Immigration is not a zero sum game -- immigrants bring human capital with them. We need to learn to let them use it.

When I was a kid, there were only 160 million of us. Doubling that number has not made us poorer. Having more people in the country makes us richer.

Our problem is Big Government, not immigrants. Solve the Big Government problem and each immigrant will increase everybody's prosperity.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (3ar4L)

658 How is making them voting citizens going to help American sovereignty and conservatives in any way, shape, or form?

They. Will. Be. Voting. Citizens. Eventually. There will NOT BE MASS DEPORTATIONS. We will not win power advocating it. I wish we could, but we can't. The issue is, how many millions more will you let in while you hold out on principle?

If I thought there was a realistic way to do what you want to do, I would support it. I supported it for years, more passionately than most here. But we waited too long. Now there is an urgent need to secure the border. You will have anmesty either way. Might was well try to win something in the deal.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:31 PM (9G+G5)

659 CJ, basically I think it wasn't that there was no political support, I think it was there was no political backbone. Now on obamacare which was totally against the majority of people, the dems did it anyway, because it was part of moving the country left. They were totally willing to give up seats and did, but they got what they wanted. Repubs like Boehner need backbone.

If Boehner had any backbone, BarkyCare would be dead at this point and America would be alive.

I do have a plan that I would use in modern times if I was running for prez, but it does start with securing the border first.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (PHb2k)


"Securing the border". LOL. You can't secure the border, really. Tens of millions come through here on visas of all sort. This nation can fill up with millions of illegals as overstays and then you'd have to give amnesty all over again.

Either you support interior enforcement - The Law - or you don't. Plain and simple.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:32 PM (X3lox)

660

"Tell me how you get elected with mass deportations. Be the first to take a shot at it."

Posted by: CJ

We've been having mass deportations already. Since 2000, we've been deporting 5-700,000 illegals a year.

There have been mass self-deportations since 2008 as the economy has gone downhill and there are no jobs.

Seal the border. Deny services and employment and continue deportations at the current rate and the mass of illegals will be gone within ten years.

And we don't need a comprehensive deal to seal the border along with Amnesty. Have the House Republicans draw up a border security enhancement bill and just let the Dems vote it down. Border seccurity is a huge winning issue, when voters see the Dems block it, they will pay at the voting booths in 2014.



Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 11:32 PM (Z6XSF)

661 Do whatever you want, though. I want a different nation that is actually America that you aren't part of. You can stay in the American Socialist Superstate with your dems and illegals.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:28 PM (X3lox)

I want a different nation too. The difference is, I have a plan. You have a rant.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (9G+G5)

662 Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I thought I was wrong. I don't. I think this enforcement stuff is absurd. We need to get over it. Our country, if properly governed -- that is, governed not very much -- can absorb many people.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (3ar4L)


You think the law is such a silly thing to enforce. Fuck off. If you don't want to enforce law then have some courage and admit that you don't think any form of government should exist. You are pathetic.

Get a brain.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (X3lox)

663 " We had TOTAL GOP CONTROL under Bush and we didn't do it because there was not enough public support.
"
-posted by CJ

You're inventing history here. Bush never attempted to simply seal the border. He went the Comprehensive way and destroyed the Republican Party.

You say there is no support to seal the border without Amnesty. But that's just your assertion, and it's false. There's no proof to back it up because they haven't tried it. They haven't sealed the border, not because they can't, but because they don't want to.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (Z6XSF)

664 Our problem is Big Government, not immigrants. Solve the Big Government problem and each immigrant will increase everybody's prosperity.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (3ar4L)


Illegals are not "immigrants", dipshit. They're illegal aliens or illegal migrants.

You hate English as much as you hate the Rule of Law. Makes sense.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:37 PM (X3lox)

665 Most kindergarten teachers realize that you just do not reward bad behavior or you will just get more bad behavior.

Speaker Boner would be a miserable failure trying to lead a 1/2 day kindergarten class too.

Posted by: Anchovy at November 08, 2012 11:37 PM (sv7CT)

666
I don't know Primo I think we can do it, china does, russia does. Ken is right though, cut off the incentives of big govt welfare and that helps. Some people immigrate for opportunity, but my guess in 2012 more come for the free shit.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:38 PM (PHb2k)

667 Have the House Republicans draw up a border security enhancement bill and just let the Dems vote it down. Border seccurity is a huge winning issue, when voters see the Dems block it, they will pay at the voting booths in 2014.

Since I am for Border Security First, I'm good with this.

But Dems will come back with "border security" as part of a "comprehensive plan" (amnesty.) Then what?

We'restill under the delusion around here that we don't have to compromise. That we are in a position to make demands. We're not. We control one chamber with a shrinking majority, and our voter base is shrinking every year. Time is not on our side.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (9G+G5)

668 If they don't secure the border first, then another wave of illegals will just come in right behind the current crop.

The newly amnestied illegals will vote 70-30 Democrat, meaning we can kiss Colorado and Nevada goodbye permanently, and probably Texas and Arizona eventually.

This spells not just the doom of the Republican Party, but of the US of A as we have known it for 236 years. We will become Brazil, minus the nice weather and rain forest.

We are fucked.

Posted by: RJ at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (QTVh2)

669 So Boehner wants to make absolutely sure no Republican ever gets elected to anything forever.
Why we never shitcanned that dumb weeping fuck after the disasterous election of 2006 is beyond me.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (6/bOE)

670 I want a different nation too. The difference is, I have a plan. You have a rant.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:34 PM (9G+G5)


You don't have a plan. The destruction of law is not a plan. Like I said, you deserve to be with the dems and the illegals.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (X3lox)

671 431 Give them amnesty but they have to get off every government program for life, and their kids, never get a dime.
-
They have to not come in the first place. OK they've come but they have to leave. OK, they are staying but it can't be permanent. OK, they're staying and it is permanent, but they have to get off every government program for life, and their kids, never get a dime.

The part after "OK" never happens.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 08, 2012 11:40 PM (B/XPo)

672 You say there is no support to seal the border without Amnesty. But that's just your assertion, and it's false. There's no proof to back it up because they haven't tried it. They haven't sealed the border, not because they can't, but because they don't want to.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM (Z6XSF)

Do you know what politcians want? To get elected. And re-elected. They will do whatever the most voters want. They don't give a shit one way or another. If it hasn't been done it's because they can count votes, and we haven't produced enough votes, or given them enough political cover to do it.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:42 PM (9G+G5)

673 The poor illegals. If only they had countries they were citizens of ...


Man, some of you fucking people are insane.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:42 PM (X3lox)

674 You can have open borders. You can have a welfare state. You cannot have both. Pick one (or neither).

Posted by: RJ at November 08, 2012 11:42 PM (QTVh2)

675
CJ, I understand the point you are trying to get to and are willing to go for the amnesty if you get the border secured. My point is even if we make that deal, the dems will not secure the border, it will just be forgotten about. So any "compromise" is not a compromise, it is surrender.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (PHb2k)

676 "They. Will. Be. Voting. Citizens. Eventually. There will NOT BE MASS DEPORTATIONS"

-CJ

I've pointed out several times here, there already are mass deportations every year to the tune of 5-700,000.

You assert that "they will be voting citizens" as if it's inevitable- like an act of nature that we have no way to stop. The truth is they will only be legalized if we vote to make them so. They couldn't get the votes for an Amnesty bill during Bush's term because there was no support for it. Support for Amnesty has not built since then, which is why the "Obama" White Hose never tried to get it. Unlike the Republicans, the Dems know exactly how unpopular Amnesty is and that they would have destroyed their party if they tried it.

If they do it now it's because Obama doesn't need to worry about re-election and doesn't give a damn if he ruins his party.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (Z6XSF)

677 You don't have a plan. The destruction of law is not a plan. Like I said, you deserve to be with the dems and the illegals.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM (X3lox)

I don't know you, so I can't say that I have been fighting illegal immigration longer than you. But....I have been fighting illegal immigration longer than you.

We've tried it your way. It hasn't worked. My borders are still open. And every year you hold out on principle makes it worse. You don't have a plan to get us there, politically. Just rhetorically.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:45 PM (9G+G5)

678 667 We'restill under the delusion around here that we don't have to compromise. That we are in a position to make demands. We're not. We control one chamber with a shrinking majority, and our voter base is shrinking every year. Time is not on our side.
-
The relevant "compromise" is that the shrinking conservative voter base has to shrink more and faster as a share of the population and eventually the electorate.

Why would that be the last "compromise"?

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (B/XPo)

679 CJ: "They. Will. Be. Voting. Citizens. Eventually. There will NOT BE MASS DEPORTATIONS."

That's a strawman to my argument. Self-deportation by enforcing law over time is reasonable and doable. Rounding people up in some Hollywood-produced NAZI spectacle will not. E-Verify, while not perfect, is an acting starting point. Denying subsidies to illegals is desired by legal citizens. And they won't be voting citizens because legal citizens (not politicians) reject amnesty.

I'll hold on to my principle until we become Spain. Then I'll invade Alextopia and become a servant.


CJ: "Might was well try to win something in the deal."

There is no "win". Amnesty means fail immediately. A "deal" means we fail at some certain point not very far removed from immediately. Amnesty is a Progressive's dream otherwise they'll have to fight harder, longer to get that liberal voting bloc. I'm not giving them that easy ride. Ever.

And that just about does it. Anything more is a redundancy. The political plan is "No Amnesty."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 08, 2012 11:46 PM (eHIJJ)

680 Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 11:44 PM (Z6XSF)

Tell me how we get our border secured with one chamber of Congress. Somebody.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:47 PM (9G+G5)

681 The relevant "compromise" is that the shrinking conservative voter base has to shrink more and faster as a share of the population and eventually the electorate.Why would that be the last "compromise"?

Once the border is secured, there is no need to compromise further. As long as it is unsecured, it's only a matter of time before the GOP is extinct.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (9G+G5)

682 Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I thought I was wrong. I don't. I think this enforcement stuff is absurd. We need to get over it. Our country, if properly governed -- that is, governed not very much -- can absorb many people.



Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (3ar4L)



You think the law is such a silly thing to enforce. Fuck off. If
you don't want to enforce law then have some courage and admit that you
don't think any form of government should exist. You are pathetic.



Get a brain.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:36 PM

Well, I am not a slave to the law -- are you? However, my point, made previously, was that the law was impossible to enforce. The absurdity I was referring to was the kabuki theater of enforcement the government puts on. Except it is done with real bullets and people get killed. It is really shameful to put so many people at risk for a political show.

We got rid of prohibition because it was unenforceable. We need to do the same with our present immigration rules. Or do you think we should have kept prohibition -- the law!!!! -- and kept up the fight against illegal booze?

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:51 PM (3ar4L)

683 Once the border is secured, there is no need to compromise further.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:49 PM (9G+G5)


LOL. On both accounts.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:52 PM (X3lox)

684
I guess I missed it from the beginning CJ. What exactly are you looking for with this issue? The political plan I mean.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:53 PM (PHb2k)

685 We got rid of prohibition because it was unenforceable. We need to do the same with our present immigration rules. Or do you think we should have kept prohibition -- the law!!!! -- and kept up the fight against illegal booze?

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:51 PM (3ar4L)


That's a totally retarded argument. Like I said, get a brain.

You don't like law. You prefer empathy and fantasy. Good for you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:54 PM (X3lox)

686 CJ, I understand the point you are trying to get to and are willing to go for the amnesty if you get the border secured. My point is even if we make that deal, the dems will not secure the border, it will just be forgotten about. So any "compromise" is not a compromise, it is surrender.

You might be right Guy. No doubt this is desperation. It's late in the game. We let this go on too long. But no one has offered a viable alternative other than Win More Elections. Which is a nice goal, but not a plan.

I am not convinced that Dems can easily dismiss border security. It's not 1986. If people support border security like we keep saying, then we should be able to make it politically dangerous for Dems to dismiss it. The plan to just wait until we (hopefully) control every branch of government just seems more naive than a deal.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:54 PM (9G+G5)

687 Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:39 PM

Compromise is something you do with well-intentioned counterparts who make a reasonable counter-offer.

The Dems are a party of criminal sociopaths. They have no reasonable solutions on this issue. Amnesty of twenty million of illegals, along with the chain migration of their out-of-country relatives that would ensue is absolute insanity. There is no compromise to be had with that.

You keep making the assertion that we can't seal our border without an Amnesty deal in exchange. Again, that's an assertion you make with no evidence. Just say that you yourself feel we couldn't achieve one without the other, and stop pretending that your personal opinion is on this issue is an established fact.

Posted by: november1981 at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (Z6XSF)

688 "Honestly, if amnesty is the play, it has to be seriously thought through to be of any political value whatsoever.Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2012 11:26 PM (dNx7B"Honestly it shouldn't be. If we pass amnesty our struggle is all over. The MSM will hail the Barak Obama as a historic president and the Republicans will be the reluctant homophobic racists that tried to buy your votes. No more Amnesty,guard the border and tell those who come here illegally that their government is responsible for their welfare, not ours.

Posted by: Africanus at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (Tcf77)

689 Our problem is Big Government, not immigrants.
Solve the Big Government problem and each immigrant will increase
everybody's prosperity.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:29 PM (3ar4L)

Illegals are not "immigrants", dipshit. They're illegal aliens or illegal migrants.

You hate English as much as you hate the Rule of Law. Makes sense.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:37 PM

You have got to be funnin' me. I give you definition number 1 of "Immigrants" from Dictionary.com:

1. a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (3ar4L)

690 barky commits the impeachable act of amensty by Executive fiat and a bunch of dipshits want to follow him in lawlessness. You people are despicable. You deserve to live in a third world country like this place is rapidly descending into. Embrace the suck.

Idiots.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (X3lox)

691 I guess I missed it from the beginning CJ. What exactly are you looking for with this issue? The political plan I mean.

A scenario/plan in which we win elections by supporting only border security. That's all. I just can't picture that scenario. What is the voter coalition that gives and preserves our majority?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 11:58 PM (9G+G5)

692
>>>The plan to just wait until we (hopefully) control every branch of government just seems more naive than a deal.<<<<

I understand where your are coming from now. I would rather stick with my principles and the rule of law and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:59 PM (PHb2k)

693 You have got to be funnin' me. I give you definition number 1 of "Immigrants" from Dictionary.com:

1. a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2012 11:55 PM (3ar4L)


Illegals move with the wind. Whenever the law is enforced, the illegals disperse and move to places where there are people like you who hate the Rule of Law. They are "illegal migrants", at best. Even the friggin Eurotrash call their illegals "migrants".

And give me a break with fucking dictionary.com to back up your English. Just admit that you want to make sure America is good and dead. Sure, it is dead, but you seem to fear that it might just be in a deep coma.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (X3lox)

694 Ken,

No nation is made stronger by simply filling its countryside with people, from anywhere, with any beliefs and culture.

According to Gallup, 56% of Mexicans believe Southwest US rightfully belongs to Mexico. We've never had immigrants to America settling in land that they believe rightfully belongs to their native country.

Probably a bad topic to bring up right before I have to head for bed, but....

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM (9G+G5)

695 I understand where your are coming from now. I would rather stick with my principles and the rule of law and let the chips fall where they may.

I think we know where the chips are falling my friend. I have to take off, but thanks for listening. Maybe conservatives win across the board in 2016 and I'm proven to be a short-sighted dweeb. Let's hope.

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:03 AM (9G+G5)

696

"But Dems will come back with "border security" as part of a "comprehensive plan" (amnesty.) Then what? Tell me how we get our border secured with one chamber of Congress. Somebody."

-Posted by CJ

We don't get the border secured immediately even with your "Comprehensive" solution. The economy sucks anyway so the number coming in is way down right now. We have the time to do this correctly.

The House passes a bill for border enhancement, Reid kills it in the Senate. The House passes another one, Reid kills it again. Republicans make this a huge issue, saturate the airwaves with footage of outnumbered and undergunned Border agents and let the country see that the Republicans keep trying to protect this country while the Dems shoot it down and play games.

It would be a major issue that the GOP could ride to retake the Senate in 2014. All it takes is smarts to make the issue play and the will to make the effort.

Posted by: november1981 at November 09, 2012 12:05 AM (Z6XSF)

697 Ken,



No nation is made stronger by simply filling its countryside with people, from anywhere, with any beliefs and culture.



According to Gallup, 56% of Mexicans believe Southwest US rightfully
belongs to Mexico. We've never had immigrants to America settling in
land that they believe rightfully belongs to their native country.



Probably a bad topic to bring up right before I have to head for bed, but....

Posted by: CJ at November 09, 2012 12:01 AM

We have been enriched by immigrants all through our history, and if we fix our government we can continue to allow immigrants to make us all richer. If we don't fix our government, all bets are off.

I am not optimistic. I think we are this close to killing off what was actually special about this country. We need free markets and free people. Government should be our referee, not our master.

I'm not advocating doing away with the treason laws. If properly enforced, they will settle the hash of future Santa Anna wannabes.

Yeah, I'm not optimistic.

Posted by: Ken at November 09, 2012 12:12 AM (3ar4L)

698 Africanus, not endorsing it as a solution. There are two questions.

1) would it be politically beneficial for the repubs to support amnesty?

2) if it is, would it be worth it relative to the policy implications?

Most people are assuming 1 is true and arguing point 2. I don't think it is obvious at all that 1 is true. I don't see how Rs go the amnesty route without being Johnny come lately. And that being the case, wouldn't we be just energizing the pro-amnesty crowd for the Dems who "overcame" years of Republican opposition? Even if not, are we willing to give citizenship? Because that is the next play for the Dems, and we are still in the anti-immigrant posture.

I don't see how this possibly is beneficial.

Posted by: Boone at November 09, 2012 12:22 AM (tIyK2)

699 Amnesty is trick.....

Many here can't seem to understand that the issue is not Illegal voters, Illegal workers or Illegal tax payers.......

The issue is demographics. The denial...that America can be saved thru the Republican Party is laughable...some of you better wake up!

It won't be long and almost every Republican Politician will be of non-European decent selling Socialism and Isolationism just like current Democrats, and you guys will be the ones responsible because your gonna try to win like Democrats and in the process will become them.

Posted by: Jimi at November 09, 2012 12:24 AM (uvNSk)

700 So much for Republicans hanging tough with Obama. They couldn't even wait until the next Congress to start surrendering. When will we learn: Republican politicians are politicians first, Republicans second, and conservative rarely.

Posted by: JeffP at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (floUD)

701 Republican politicians are politicians first, Republicans second, and conservative rarely.
Posted by: JeffP at November 09, 2012 12:34 AM (floUD)

The big test of Republican rectitude isn't the immigration reform issue. The big test is the fiscal cliff and sequestration. If, for example, the Republicans cave on taxes and spending and entitlement reform in order to preserve adequate levels of military spending--a hostage game we've played (and lost) dozens of times over the years--then we'll know what they're made of. The Democrats have blackmailed the GOP with this again and again, figuring we would never risk the safety of the nation and knowing we'd always submit. Well, I believe it's time we called their bluff. If they're not bluffing, so be it: catastrophic damage to our military, according to SecDef Panetta. The ramifications are frightening and immediate: instant loss of superpower status for one thing, with all that implies, as well as the loss of thousands and thousands of jobs in the defense industry--and then of course there is the responses of our allies and enemies to consider.
So yes, I say go forward with sequestration. If nothing else, show these lowlife Marxist weasels the GOP can't be blackmailed, not on this issue, not ever again.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 12:54 AM (vtiE6)

702 he ramifications are frightening and immediate: instant loss of superpower status for one thing


Can we be a bit more hysterical about defense cuts? It's not like we won't still be spending 5 times more than are closet rival (instead of 10 times more) and we still have the best tech.

Posted by: entropy at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (YUttk)

703 as well as the loss of thousands and thousands of jobs in the defense industry


Maybe they can get a job that doesn't depend on government as it's only client. Them being private workers is a bit of a farce. They can't pay taxes if all their income comes from tax money anyway.

Posted by: entropy at November 09, 2012 01:14 AM (YUttk)

704 According to Gallup, 56% of Mexicans believe Southwest US rightfully belongs to Mexico.


Texas won't let us give them Texas but they can have California.

Posted by: entropy at November 09, 2012 01:19 AM (YUttk)

705 If the military is cut resulting in a smaller membership, then maybe, finally, they won't be disenfranchised voters anymore. Put that as a check in the GOP win column.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 09, 2012 01:22 AM (eHIJJ)

706 entropy: "Texas won't let us give them Texas but they can have California."

California? I thought it was called Newest Mexico.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 09, 2012 01:23 AM (eHIJJ)

707 Yeah, let's reward the illegal takers, and ignore the many immigrants who have waited and jumped through hoops to come to this country legally and become American citizens. The rest of them -- here for the Obamabucks.

Posted by: gracepmc at November 09, 2012 01:25 AM (rznx3)

708 John Boehner

Just the mention of this guy's name makes me feel ill.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 09, 2012 01:48 AM (F3HO3)

709 So they become "voting citizens," big deal. Maybe some of them already are, if you know what I mean. They'll thank the Republicans for their change of heart, then go right back and vote for the Dems as usual. Why wouldn't they?

The Repubs CANNOT compete with the Dems on the strategy of giving away more free stuff. The Dems have a lock on that. Giving them this one freebie isn't going to change that.

Posted by: nobama2012 at November 09, 2012 02:16 AM (9Zci/)

710 Here's what I think of Amnesty and Obamacare.....
North American Union or better known as the Security and Prosperity Partnership. While it may not be active right now(at least not since 2009) that doesn't mean it's been forgotten. Obamas attempts at reconciling America with the world, succinctly termed his "apology tour" aligns with the SPP. It's been known for years as the "new world order". A lot of years as a matter of fact, beginning with "novus order seclorum" or "new order of the ages". The Founding Fathers were not as "Christian/Judaic" minded in establishing the Government of the United States as some like to claim. Borders are not only not being secured, they are being obliterated one amnesty at a time.

Posted by: Lonni at November 09, 2012 02:43 AM (D3pcY)

711 Can we be a bit more hysterical about defense cuts? It's not like we won't still be spending 5 times more than are closet rival (instead of 10 times more) and we still have the best tech.
Posted by: entropy at November 09, 2012 01:11 AM (YUttk)

You can't be a superpower if you can't project power, and that power is largely projected by our navy, soon to be reduced to pre-WWI levels. The '10 times more' argument doesn't wash, either, especially when considering the cost of building a single destroyer, for example. Further, the measure of military capability is based--in part--in graduation of force and variability of response to a wide array of possible threats. And that 'best tech' argument? Not for long. Tech takes years to develop but only moments to steal.

Posted by: troyriser at November 09, 2012 03:50 AM (vtiE6)

712 WTF... 59 million Americans voted for SELF-DEPORTATION Mitt Romney. Almost 50%!

Boehner needs to make that the compromise position.

Boehner is in the same level of power gingrich had in 1997. Gingrich didnt roll over and die for the President.

Man up, Mr Speaker and stop pre-caving. No new taxes, no amnesty, and fight to undo as much of Obamacare as you can.

Posted by: Harry P Ness Reid at November 09, 2012 03:50 AM (WhCZZ)

713
Boehner continues to be an idiot. Yes, the answer to our demographic problem is to increase the number of Hispanics by over 10 million overnight. Yes, that is a brilliant idea. Romney won what, 27 percent of Hispanic vote? Ok, let's say by caving in to the amnesty stuff we pick up a few votes. We aren't going to get more then the dems. It's impossible. Besides the immigration issue the Hispanic population is heavily on the non-tax-paying-handout-receiving side of the fence, especially the illegals. Unless we go from 27 percent to 60+ percent, amnesty will be a HUGE loser for the GOP no matter how you do the math. Popular vote will shift in DNC favor by many millions more votes.
I'll say this now, if Boehner isn't removed as Speaker, I'm done voting GOP. Going third party. Or maybe we should just join the DNC and try to disrupt it from within. After all, would you rather have a Lieberman or a Warren representing you? Since we're playing the lesser of evil games anyway...

Posted by: Andrew at November 09, 2012 04:38 AM (kFbE+)

714 Here's a three pronged approach to win the next election or at least the one after that.

1. Manifest Destiny South. You never see Mexicans begging on a street corner like you do Obama voters. They're mostly short, chubby, honest, hard working people. Let's do better than amnesty and promise that we will annex Mexico.

2. Abort Global Warming. Anyone that believes in AGW should be forced to abort their first 10 fetuses as a way to save the planet. They can't argue with consensus.

3. Paid Birth Control. Offer $1,000.00 cash payment to anyone under 40 that wishes enroll in the permanent birth control program. Sterilize them for free, give them a grand and call it a carbon credit.

Posted by: jason at November 09, 2012 05:08 AM (UrH3o)

715 CJ's arguement is that if we say yes we're not being anallyraped. Just anally fucked.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 09, 2012 08:17 AM (46Ckm)

716 Jason for president 2016. That platform can't lose.

Posted by: Bob at November 09, 2012 09:15 AM (/aN21)

717 Are they complete idiots?

If this amnesty thing happens during this administration, do you think the GOP is going to get the credit? Heck no.

Obama will get all the credit for achieving immigration reform. And, who are those newly legal going to vote for? The party that gave them their King that gave them citizenship. Not to mention the party that gives them welfare, food stamps, and free medical care.

How does that get the GOP anywhere but worse?

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 09, 2012 09:30 AM (uCR70)

718 Boehner loves him some illegal welfare future Democrat voter fuckups.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 09, 2012 06:18 PM (6/bOE)

719 Sean Hannity is a Great Mexican!

Posted by: TexasJew at November 09, 2012 06:24 PM (6/bOE)






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