A Chart Conservative Voters Aren't Going To Like But Have To Deal With

From @baseballcrank

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Yes, the Oprahization of politics sucks but it's a reality. Telling voters, "Hey idiots, you're voting for the wrong reasons" is not going to carry the day.

As conservatives we deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. The challenge is to change this reality, not bitch about it.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:41 AM



Comments

1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (/eBe8)

2 we deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be

Then we are boned, short and mid term. Only the burned hand teaches.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (evdj2)

3 Obama understands vaginas.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (pwyhn)

4
Well, at least Drew has something resembling a clue.
Although stating that conservatives deal with the world as it is is rather specious. (As a rhetorical device?If you squint, it kinda works, though.)

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (WwR1j)

5 Conservatives need to assimilate.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (I7O5y)

6 We should have seen this shit coming with Clinton. Every time that lip of his quivered, he got 100 independent voters and a few womens panties got a bit more moistened.
Hell even Bush had compassionate conservatism which we hated but made it look like he cared.
I never got that from McCain or Romney, but I didn't need it. Single white ladies need daddies, and unfortunately for us gubment will do.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (t06LC)

7 They don't call it the nanny state for nothing.


Please care about me!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (wR+pz)

8 And they figured Romney does not care about people like them because of his wealth, I'm guessing. If this is true, could a candidate like Jindal (for example) resonate better with the electorate?

Posted by: IC at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (a0IVu)

9 So "Cares about people like me" = "Gives me free stuff", I guess.

Posted by: joncelli at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (RD7QR)

10 "But if I get you a toy, there won't be enough money for dinner"
"I WANT A TOY!"
"Okay, but you what that means..."

"I'M HUNGRY!!"

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (FcR7P)

11 You can use mealy mouthed vaginaey rhetoric and govern conservatively.

Yes you have to lie. Whatever. We see that works better than the truth.

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (I2LwF)

12 One of the worst aftereffects of losing: after realizing the polls sucked, we are now getting (and touting) polls to show us why, supposedly, we lost.

"One of these is not like the others?" Wrong; the polls still suck.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (yKUrR)

13 And, manifestly, Obama does not care about us, or he would not be destroying millions of lives. Therefore, only a longterm commitment to demonizing him would have worked, and we couldn't do that, because he is "black".

Checkmate.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (evdj2)

14 Cares about people like me = gives me free swag.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (Hx5uv)

15 Dr. Phil would make a great GOP candidate, I guess.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (pwyhn)

16 We'll see how much he "cares" about them when this poor sick Republic goes over the cliff and their government checks and other handouts stop. Idiots!

Posted by: rplat at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (ew94K)

17
As others have posted, this reveals an 'image' versus 'reality' break. Culture vs. content. So long as one professesses 'they care', that's all that matters. One need not actually 'do' anything nor have a plan or track record todo so. The image/impression of 'caring' is all that resonates.

Posted by: UpWithSheeple! at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (uEm7J)

18 This is great news. It means that it really is just a messaging and candidate issue. Romney was a good guy but too rich and robotic for even the white working class who were inclined to vote R. Scott Walker anyone.?

Posted by: xuyee at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (/QiO2)

19 They only feel that way because they've been brainwashed into hating capitalism and the American ideal, and because our side is ashamed to espouse capitalism and the American ideal.

We are well and truly fucked because we will never get through to these drones and never take back the schools to prevent future generations from being turned into pod people.

Goodbye America.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (vCK/R)

20 Cares about people like me: I gots me an Obamaphone!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (UOM48)

21 We need a candidate that drinks $400 bottles of champagne with Jay Z and Beyonce. You know, like most of the middle class do.

Posted by: Tim at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (xq7pr)

22 I'm looking forward to the sweet bitching of all the young Obama voters who can't find a damn job. Obama's caring won't get you out of mom's basement, suckers.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (pwyhn)

23 how to change it without simply giving away free stuff? like Rush said,it's hard to run against SantaClaus. at the end of the day you cannotmake stupid people see the light, and that fact we have to face is the ranks of the stupid are growing exponentially. Obama is the real lifeDwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

Posted by: exceller at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (ROGMG)

24 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (a0nis)

25 Honestly, guys, this has long been a feature. Reagan didn't win on policy alone.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (T0NGe)

26 We're totally not about winning, we are only about fair play in who you are, who you worship and who you love.

Posted by: Dewey, Dickum and Howe Progressive, Inc at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (rzTDZ)

27 The Party of the Free Lunch always starts with the advantage.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (evdj2)

28 We need to find a candidate who's an average, likeable guy. Paul Ryan seems like he could be that guy.

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (cv5Iw)

29 =

Take heart, America, after the first couple of dozen times, it hurts less.

Posted by: The Chicken - who, until recently, was fucked . at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (RuUvx)

30 Coulter:
"
Purist conservatives are like idiot hipsters who can't like a band
that's popular. They believe that a group with any kind of a following
can't be a good band, just as show-off social conservatives consider it a
mark of integrity that their candidates -- Akin, Mourdock, Sharron
Angle, Christine O'Donnell -- take wildly unpopular positions and lose
elections.



It was the same thing with purist libertarian Barry Goldwater,
who -- as you will read in my book, "Mugged: Racial Demagoguery From the
Seventies to Obama" -- nearly destroyed the Republican Party with his
pointless pursuit of libertarian perfection in his vote against the 1964
Civil Rights Act.



'I like a band that sells NO albums because it proves they have too much integrity to sell out.'


We have a country to save. And just as the laws of elections
generally mean the incumbent president wins, they also mean the party
out of the White House typically stages a big comeback in midterm
elections. BIG. Don't blow it with purist showoffs next time,
Republicans.

"

Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (b00RV)

31 Free Shit and skin color. That is all.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 11:50 AM (yKUrR)

32 The challenge is nominating someone who comes across as genuine and in touch so people get a since of #3 from him or her so they are willing to listen to him or her long enough to explain what their plan is on numbers 1, 2 and 4. As opposed to nominating someone who makes the inside-the-Beltway gang comfortable with him as is the GOP tradition.

And no, I'm not saying Romney was cruel or uncaring, far from it, but I think his personality and demeanor at times made it easy for the MSM to smear him as such.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 11:50 AM (qEkGZ)

33 I care about people so much that I want them to be be able to take care of themselves. That's how much I care. That is much more caring than givng them a fish. I'dand THEY'D, if they ever experienced success, rather they fish for themselves. That's caring.

Posted by: sophistahick at November 08, 2012 11:50 AM (UhXzR)

34 Can we bitch about it while we try to change it?

Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 08, 2012 11:50 AM (WDCYi)

35 Could this potentially be why Santorum did so well? He didn't win the primary, but I think we can all agree he severly overperformed based on our expectations. Some of that was due to his hard work, some do to a weak field from the beginning, and some with other candidates flailing once in. I'm not suggesting it was the only reason he overperformed, but some of it has to be that certain segments of the GOP electorate related to him.

As nice a guy as Mitt genuinely seems to be, he just didn't connect with people. Even Bush who grew up with a similar background connected with people better. This is the dumb Who would you rather have a beer with? Its dumb, it is the only reason someone wins, but it does play a big factor.

So long as the GOP is perceived to be the party of the rich (wrongly, very wrongly, in my opinion), nominating a rich white guy is only going to hurt. I wish that were not true. But it is something we need to factor in. That doesn't mean we never nominate rich white guys, it just means we are cognizant of the difficulties such a nomination will present. The double standard exists. And it sucks.

Posted by: SH at November 08, 2012 11:50 AM (gmeXX)

36 No comment.

Posted by: ambassador Chris Stevens at November 08, 2012 11:50 AM (AWmfW)

37 This shouldn't be a surprise. I cringe when I hear commercials, and all around me, talking about how everything makes them "feel". How do you feel about this or that. I want to scream who cares, tell me about how it is, not how you feel about it. The later is irrelevant (unless you're my wife, of course). I imagine most conservatives are the same.

Most of our country deals with how they feel about reality, not reality itself.

Posted by: Brewer at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (eV1I0)

38 And that population will increase with upcoming immigration policies/enforcement. Stick a fork in the U.S.

Posted by: wtf at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (/A1Rb)

39 8

Bob, the alcoholic hobo would reasonate better with the American people.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (GFM2b)

40 Farenheit 448, 449, 450...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (vCK/R)

41 Thanks Drew and I agree.

JDTAY -- are you going for some Denethor impersonation with your schtick.

Posted by: nc at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (Cxl7g)

42 Yeah, but every time one of our candidates says things to get the idiots, we
go nuclear on them. " Fucking RINO", this guy sucks, etc

Posted by: Roman Maroni at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (KCCgc)

43 It is easy to care about people when you are using other people's money to give them free shit. Now, tell me, how do we change that.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (OWjjx)

44 And they figured Romney does not care about people like them because of
his wealth, I'm guessing. If this is true, could a candidate like Jindal
(for example) resonate better with the electorate?


There's always an excuse. Republicans are just buzzkills, that's all. We're actually Bain capital, they call us in when all hope is lost. Otherwise, why not party?

Here's my example: Military service was an important, nay vital issue in 1980, 2000, 2004. It was completely irrelevant in 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2008.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (T0NGe)

45 And that population will increase with upcoming immigration policies/enforcement. Stick a fork in the U.S.
Posted by: wtf at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (/A1Rb)

And we all know who are having the kids and who are not

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (79ueO)

46 Ok. That chart hurts.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (moRRg)

47 Most people are not political junkies like us and rely on the MSM for their news. Even if you had the most evidently empathetic candidate, the MSM would not allow that to be known. Remember the stupid Wawa thing on MSNBC?

Romney, especially during the end, seemed like someone who "cared", if people would have been allowed to see that.

We need to find a way to defeat/go around the media and stop the cultural and intellectual rot in the country. That is my take away from this election.

And thanks, Chris Christie, for screaming to the whole world how much Obama cares. I'm sure the people still suffering in NY and NJ feel his love.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (6zgse)

48 #32 argh! should be "get a sense..."

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (qEkGZ)

49 @41

I don't even know what a Denethor is.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (a0nis)

50 In other words, elections are from now on about ratifying the ant's enslavement to the grasshopper.

Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees--because living on your knees means you eventually die on your knees.

I would suggest looking up Bruce Sterling's novel "Heavy Weather," and pay particular attention to the concept of "structure hitting."

That Obamaphone don't work without towers.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (OY/SZ)

51 And we really have become the land of reality t.v. politics.


Which is why Ryan Seacreast will be hosting the 2016 Presidential debate.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (OWjjx)

52 So the 47% comment really did burn him...

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (UZQM8)

53 We have a country to save.

For some values of "saved".

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (evdj2)

54 Never gonna happen, because the left is continually finding new ways to divide Americans into discrete groups of "people like x". Having set the rules for what defines the group, they can then claim the sole mantle of authenticity in addressing that group.

Posted by: apotheosis at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (xWk3U)

55
A guy like me doesn't care about if you care about a guy like me,i care about if you fucking know what you're doing.If i wanted a guy like as president i'd vote for me

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (qEts0)

56 Yeah, this is a major messaging issue. My concern now is that the leadership in the GOP SUCK at messaging. Clearly (in my mind at least), these are voters that just read the headlines, and the headlines are all they remember. So --- what happens with the House R's say that they aren't willing to go off the fiscal cliff? Headline: "Sen Harry Reid says that he can't fix the debt ceiling crisis by himself, but that he gets no help from Republicans" Bank on it.
Also, many, many, many of my Democrat friends (and I live in a blue county, so I have lots of different persuasion) said that they saw this vote as a civil rights issue -- gay marriage, immigration reform, etc. Confusing states right issues with federal issues....but they all vote.

Posted by: Cat at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (0OmTO)

57 Uh, Drewie .. 21% is not a "majority".
If you don't have a book known as a dictionary, there's always the intertubes.

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (i8u8P)

58 Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here

Posted by: jakeman at November 08, 2012 11:54 AM (96M6e)

59 Proof positive:

The education system in America is a failure.

The citizens in America are largely fucking stupid.

The news media still has a VERY LARGE GRIP on society and will NEVER let go.


We. are. fucked.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 08, 2012 11:54 AM (UK9cE)

60 You can't change the reality when people are too stupid to understand. The thought process just isn't there.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 11:54 AM (X6akg)

61 Bigpale -- thanks for posting that

Posted by: nc at November 08, 2012 11:54 AM (Cxl7g)

62 Just anecdotal; Our church has a food pantry. Several of the clients in there on disability or food stamps said, yesterday "You know Romney wanted to do away with food pantries." Of course Romney did; We know he would support churches helping others and that he wanted people who could to be able to work. But evidently the message wasn't getting across to people it should have. There are many people legitimately on disability and food stamps. I know some are not but those weren't the people speaking up yesterday. We need better messaging so they don't assume Conservatives don't care.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2012 11:54 AM (zfFcz)

63 It's more important that people think the Pres cares about them? The last four years of disastrous policies don't matter more because he "cares" about people? The last four years that have shown Obama to be a cold, incompetent, pathological liar and malignant narcissist don't hold more weight than a warm fuzzy?

These fucking people -- I loathe them. I'm so sick of the touchy, feely crap..."cares about people like me". Get thee to a psychiatrist and work your shit out. The President is not your friend, boyfriend, or your fucking caretaker.

Posted by: Chalky at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (nm4/M)

64 All that chart tells me is that 81% of the respondents consider themselves losers. Adult babies who can't take care of themselves. We blame the education system, pop culture and the MFM for this attitude, but I don't think we can ignore the way so many 20somethings have been raised as hothouse flowers by their helicopter parents. They grew up expecting to be coddled and protected.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (jm/9g)

65 Whoops' Meant of course, Romney DIDN"T want to do away with church food pantries.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (zfFcz)

66 But it still does not explain low turnout for Republicans.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (YdQQY)

67 1
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (/eBe


And thank you for not declaring "FIRST" with the opening post.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (UK9cE)

68 It sickens me that such a large slice of the electorate thinks that their quality of life depends on whether some bloody politician "cares" about them. What a nation of pussies we've become.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (pwyhn)

69
#25 AD: a fact lost on too many in the GOP. Here's a quick quiz (no googling allowed) for us alive @ the time: What was RWR's position on abortion? Planned parenthood? GLT issues?
Anyone remember, 'cuz I don't. Didn't care, either, as he presented himself in such a fashion as to provide relevance to the electorate, especially in his 2nd race. I do recall how that turned out...

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (LwGY+)

70 What we need in a presidential candidate:

1. A governor
2. Conservative
3. Not too wealthy
4. Not too concerned with social issues
5. Capable of coming off as kinda cool
6. Appeals to, or at least doesn't frighten, hispanics

Is there anybody who could possibly fill that bill?

Posted by: joncelli at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (RD7QR)

71 Which is why Ryan Seacreast will be hosting the 2016 Presidential debate.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (OWjjx)

He'd likely do a better job. :-)

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (qEkGZ)

72 This is why they attacked Palin so massively.

She's likable.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (AWmfW)

73 chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)


From what I heard today on the radio there isn't much love for Christie or Obama today in the worst hit areas. I tried to sympathetic but failed. You get the government you deserve, Unfortunately we also pay for your shitty choices.

The reality is Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about people only about power.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (iYbLN)

74
The irony is, Mitt Romney probably actually does care more about people as individuals than BHO. Romney is a guy who devotes considerable portions of HIS OWN time and treasure to help individuals,who would go out of his way to help a person who is having problems, and not care about who (or if anyone) actually sees him do it, or what the persons color, gender or national origin is.
On the other hand, BHO doesn't give a flip about any individual human being in the universe, with the exception of himself, and possibly his immediate family. He gave approximately jack diddly squat to charity until he was getting ready to run for president, and I doubt he would cross the street to piss on someone even if they were on fire. The one thing he does do is volunteer to take a massive amount of OTHER PEOPLE's money and pump it into a vast swamp of SEIU staffed social programs, where mere pennies on the dollar ever wind up going to someone who needs it, while vast millions flow back into Democratic politicians campaigns. But he is the person who cares.

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (S4N/h)

75 My concern now is that the leadership in the GOP SUCK at messaging.

Repeat after me: "Corrupt, rich lawyers." "Pampered Hollywood elites." Gotta play the game.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (T0NGe)

76

And the jerkoff fest continues.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (XPxw+)

77 The challenge is to change this reality, not bitch about it.

Depends on which "reality" you mean. If you mean changing that percentage, so that people realize that Republicans care more about "people like me," you're right.

And Republicans have to have an answer for those questions. We've got to be able to answer "What are you going to do for me?" and the answer "Well, nothing, directly" won't work.

Romney actually had a couple of moments where he nearly did well on this in the 2nd debate. When some college kid, "Hey, what are you going to do for us," Romney said "I'm going to make sure you have the opportunity to find a job." Which is a good answer. Obama trumped it (in the "cares more" category) with, "Oh, those mean banks that loaned you money so you could get your degree in Advanced Underwater Basketweaving! I'll take it to 'em!"

I don't really know what Conservative answer would trump that, but based on the returns, it looks like it doesn't have to trump it, just not lose as badly.

Perhaps, "Well, you're already graduating, so you've already got those loans. What I'll do is make sure you can pay back those loans. For people still in school, or those going into school, I'm going to do two things. By reducing Federal Subsidies and making sure just those who really need them get them, we can reduce what school costs. The single biggest driver of tuition inflation has been the Government. Then, I'll do what I can to make a low-cost, base-line degree available to everyone. Part of why you were in school for 5 years is a creep in the minimum credits you have to take. I'm going to encourage, through the channels I have available, colleges to offer a bare-bones degree that would only take 6 semesters to complete. That will reduce the tuition you pay, while simultaneously giving you more working years to set yourself up in comfort."

Now, what isn't said there is "And those channels I have available will be entirely negative. No one gets an extra dime, but anyone who doesn't comply gets their government subsidies and grants slashed. Also, I'll be getting the government money out of schools by requiring you to be in a Business or STEM degree plan to get Pell Grants or Stafford Loans."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (/eBe8)

78 so, underestimated the Bain attacks. If it wasn't bain would have been something else; but strategy was bad; Bush, with a president father and all the riches, was a "compassionate conservative". messaging works, negative advertizing works.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (WR5xI)

79
Charisma wins every time. People are so stupid.

How many centuries do we have to wait until another Ronald Reagan comes along?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (Mxt9o)

80 "Cares about people like me" is code for "I'm gay/black/hispanic and will only ever vote Democrat because of identity politics."

Posted by: shillelagh at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (hRzu2)

81 Another poll. Polls.



People are idiots. What do you change?



Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (KXm42)

82 I loved what this country used to stand for.

I loathe and lament and weep for what this country has become.

Posted by: Natasha at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (jU5uf)

83 One need not actually 'do' anything nor have a plan or track record todo so. The image/impression of 'caring' is all that resonates.

Posted by: UpWithSheeple! at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (uEm7J)

===============

"The secret to success is sincerity- once you can fake that you've got it made".

So all we need is to listen to our inner W.C. Fields- brilliant.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (RSqz2)

84 And they figured Romney does not care about people like them because of his wealth, I'm guessing. If this is true, could a candidate like Jindal (for example) resonate better with the electorate?
Posted by: IC at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (a0IVu)

I used to think he could, but after the election...I don't think so.

Jindal is a legitimate socon, as in, he could actually give a valid and coherent philosophical defense for why some should oppose Abortion in all cases or be against Gay Marriage.

Also, the fact is he is probably too conservative for the leadership to win a primary.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (i3OIF)

85 "And the jerkoff fest continues.
"

It's good for the party.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (WR5xI)

86 So, Perry would have been a better candidate?

Posted by: chuck at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (Esg+E)

87 Just. Let. It. Burn. - 'caring about me' won't help when gas goes up to $7/gal and it was 'caring daddy government' who made it that way

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (YLZSZ)

88 Ah .. poor widdle troll .. nobody paying it any attention.

The chart proves that Romney was wrong by NOT emphasizing values.

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (i8u8P)

89 if you didn't answer "Cares about people like me" then what are you doing calling yourself a Democrat?

In other words, I don't see this chart as revealing anything that Republicans need to DO so much as revealing how Democrats think.

Posted by: major major major major at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (utCAk)

90 What can my country do for me. Sorry the republicans just don't give me enough free stuff.

Posted by: gimme gimme gimme at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (Kflw4)

91 But it still does not explain low turnout for Republicans.


Posted by: Vic

Vic,

Did the evangelicals sit this one out too because of the "M" word? If they did they are the most self-destructive group I have ever seen in politics.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (iYbLN)

92 And I'm not in the mood at the moment to try to win over people who are like a battered woman whose boyfriend pummels her everyday but stays with him because he says he's sorry and he loves her when she gets back from the hospital. Surely, that must mean he cares, right?

I'm not in the mood for that now. Maybe later, but not now.

As the saying goes, you can't fix stupid. Not in the mood to even try.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (6zgse)

93 So guys, about that Texas legislature...... Still not sure how it works.

Posted by: George=Jordan at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (/YJYi)

94 Republicans will need to run someone who Americans can relate with.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (TVbdM)

95 "Cares about people like me" is code for "I'm gay/black/hispanic and
will only ever vote Democrat because of identity politics."


With a soupçon of "WAAAAAH! FREE SHIT!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (/kI1Q)

96 Wait till you see the major donor and fundraiser that gets an ambassadorship.

Truly a celebrity culture.

Maybe we should run Dennis Miller.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (GoIUi)

97
49 -- Hah
Sorry, it was a reference to the Lord of the Rings. Denethor was the last lord of Gondor, when Sauron's armies attacked. He was convinced that his kingdom was doomed to be overwhelmed because he saw the vastness of Sauron's armies. In a last fit of despair, he ordered himself and his son to be burned on a pyre.

Posted by: nc at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (Cxl7g)

98 88
So, Perry would have been a better candidate?


Posted by: chuck at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (Esg+E)

He was my choice, but no. Texan = George Bush, and there is no one more disliked than Bush...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (9+ccr)

99 Posted by: George at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (t1NLo)

how is mob rule working out for you ?

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (WR5xI)

100 And how did the public get the impression that Obama cares about them?


MEDIA MEDIA MEDIA MEDIA.


When all your news comes from Liberal Democrats Hired from New York and who then join a Union, you aren't going to make any headway in informing the public.


The Media is the enemy. Without them, the Democrats are nothing.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (R9579)

101 As a famous Greek philosopher once said, you can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Aaron at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (Tlix5)

102 62 Just anecdotal; Our church has a food pantry. Several of the clients in there on disability or food stamps said, yesterday "You know Romney wanted to do away with food pantries."


Sorry. But I'd have to let nature takes it's course with people that stupid.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (GFM2b)

103 Repeat after me: "Corrupt, rich lawyers." "Pampered Hollywood elites." Gotta play the game.

Right now, if Boehner had any brains, he would be holding press conference after press conference announcing how the GOP House is going to eliminate tax breaks for rich white Hollywood producers and movie studios and give that money to education.

He would hold hearing after hearing where movie stars, like Harrison Ford, could testify that despite the fact that Star Wars IV-VI have made a gazzillion dollars worldwide, evil 1% George Lucas and his evil accounts have told him that there is no royalty check because "it hasn't made any money".

And yea, Boehner, while I am giving you free advice, I think its time for some union-mob investigations as well. You can talk about the legacy of Robert F. Kennedy that way.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (OWjjx)

104 What pisses me off about that 81% that think Obama caring about people like me stat, its completely and totally fake. He does not even come off as fake caring like Bill Clinton. Obama comes off as cold and aloof. Always has since day one.

Posted by: Long Island at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (EsJl1)

105 What really burns me about this is that, as the poster child for narcissitic personality disorder (NPD), it's a fact that Obama beleives that the world revolves around him, and has zero empathy for anybody. He quite literally does not give a s**t about people, even his supporters. In here, we now Mitt is pretty much the opposite.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (Mxt9o)

106 Awesome.

For a majority of voters in this country now it OK that after he fucks them in the ass and then blows in their face that he cares enough about them to give them a towel and point to the bathroom to clean up afterwards.

And they'll be outraged when that phone call he promised when leaving never comes.

Just awesome.

Posted by: H Badger at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (n/0Nw)

107 What was RWR's position on abortion?

Exceptions for "rape, incest and life of the mother".

Planned parenthood?

None.

GLT issues?

Well, the gay community decided later he was a villain for not discussing AIDS soon enough, but I think he did them a favor.

But remember that these issues get pushed from the Left. The whole BC/abortion thing originated from *forcing* people to pay for others' birth control.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (T0NGe)

108
That's just perfect. Obama cares about people like me!
All I can say is that I guess I look forward to the day when some of these "Obama cares about me" types are denied an MRI or a hip replacement or a kidney transplant or cancertreatment. They'll be sitting there with their government-funded "pain pills" just knowing in their heart of hearts that any minute now the door will burst open and it will be that nice, caring Mr. Obama arriving to save them!
The thing is, those people will kinda deserve what they voted for; the rest of us will not.

Posted by: BethinPA at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (LWdPB)

109
I loved what this country used to stand for.



I loathe and lament and weep for what this country has become.

Posted by: Natasha at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM

I share your pain.

Posted by: Slick Willie at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (rzTDZ)

110 Vic,

Did the evangelicals sit this one out
too because of the "M" word? If they did they are the most
self-destructive group I have ever seen in politics.


Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (iYbLN)

No, look at the turnout in SC. It was one of the few States were turnout was constant from 2008.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (YdQQY)

111 But it still does not explain low turnout for Republicans.


Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (YdQQY)


Honestly, I think they believed the "he's a Mormon" hype and just stayed home.

He won an unbelievably shitty crop of candidates in the primaries. Sorry, but I live in Texas and do not trust Rick Perry, either.

He said good things, but was such a centrist and like all the others, REFUSED TO DEFEND HIMSELF against all the blatantly false accusations that he largely fucked himself.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (UK9cE)

112 I guess that 47% remark did hurt us, even though it was the unvarnished truth. The truth just ain't much in demand at this point.

Maybe once we get a bit closer to the existential crisis it will matter. But I doubt it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2012 12:00 PM (ccXZP)

113 Ann Coulter was on FOX last night and made a good point. While the Republicans were engaged in a long drawn-out primary that included people who've never run for public office or otherwise had weak credentials, Obama was running anti-Romney commercials in Ohio. Obama had the opportunity in the Spring to define Romney as a rich prick. By the time Romney was seen in the first debate -- 6 months of negative advertising had already left indelible impressions.

Not sure what to do about that except alter the primary rules and calendar. It's an advantage that the incumbent has, and this year Obama predicted correctly that Romney would be the nominee.

Posted by: TD at November 08, 2012 12:00 PM (DQMcq)

114 In order to show folks that you care about them you have to
a. give them stuff
b. get down to their level
Welcome to the Honey boo booism of America.

Posted by: retired military at November 08, 2012 12:00 PM (SElov)

115 Truly a celebrity culture.

Maybe we should run Dennis Miller.


Posted by: Miss Marple at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (GoIUi)

We'd have to issue dictionaries to the public....and I'm not confident they would actually know how to use them.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (X6akg)

116 Just. Let. It. Burn. - 'caring about me' won't help
when gas goes up to $7/gal and it was 'caring daddy government' who made
it that way


Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (YLZSZ)

Not just "Let. It. Burn." Light some back fires ourselves, and hope it burns the bad people first and worst.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (R9579)

117 Honestly, I think they believed the "he's a Mormon" hype and just stayed home.


Again, no it was a religion thing. We will need some more detailed exit polls and maybe some polling of Republicans who did not vote.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (YdQQY)

118 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBwC7Qzljso

Posted by: DL at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (aPxcR)

119 The problem is if that is true we're fucked and so is freedom.

That question implicitly is allowed to be asked of power by everyone in the nation but one group.

We're Yugoslavia now.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (LRFds)

120 Yeah, this is a major messaging issue. My concern now is that the leadership in the GOP SUCK at messaging.

Exactly! Now, what was that message you wanted us to convey for you again?

Posted by: The MFM at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (FcR7P)

121 To change the reality, it is simple. Just cut off the coasts. Exclude the leftists shitholes and restore the Constitution.

There is no other way. Without it, the last, best hope of humanity becomes nothing more than a villain in the childhood stories of the future. And inevitably, one day there will be no person on Earth who has ever lived free.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (jZn+7)

122 We need to find a Light bringer...

Posted by: Janetoo at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (R+fMx)

123 How did that landslide work out for you all?

Posted by: George


Not well. How's your retirement account? Oh ... wait.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (evdj2)

124 When did caring about people like me = free shit?

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (GQ8sn)

125 How is that even possible? How can we share a nation with so many crazy people? That's the hardest part for me. Everyone agrees that he is not the best leader for dealing with the situation today, but 52% of people vote for him because he fucking cares?!?!?!?!

Seriously how can these people function in normal life? Would you keep letting a shitty mechanic fix your care, because he "cares" about your car more than another guy??

I am still stunned. Stunned, sickened and just well...

Posted by: gigg423 at November 08, 2012 12:01 PM (41VCE)

126 AFAIAC, the Oprah voters can run us right off the cliff, and suffer the most for it when their inner city slums and gentrified neighbourhoods go up in flames. Good riddance to them.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (+inic)

127 2nd verse, same as the first

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (8sCoq)

128 Don't worry Drew Newt would have won.

You keep on keeping on buddy the media is gonna allow ANY GOPer to be cast as "caring.'

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (LRFds)

129 What fools these "cares about people like me" are. Obama and Democrats don't "care" about you; they don't know you as "people" -- to them you are a means to an end, a statistic, a tick in the ballot box to keep them in power. Once you have served your purpose, you'll be tossed a meager bone now and then. When you wonder why that doesn't seem like much, they'll blame the other guy (those selfish rich people) for holding on to their money so that the Dems can't give you more, but, don't worry. They "promise" to fix that just in time to get you to vote for them again.

The only being who really truly loves you for who you are, no matter what, is God.Worshipping man insteadhas you on the wrongroad altogther.

Posted by: Natasha at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (jU5uf)

130
I'd go one further. In business, there are five or six things that people say motivate them. Money, recognition, location, being treated fairly, being challenged, having opportunities, you may think of others. Every one has a list but the priority is different for each individual. I may not care about recognition as much as money or opportunity to advance. For others money is lower than fairness or being challenged. The trick is to know what each person's prioritized list looks like, so you can address it and create an environment by which they can become motivated.

Same for elections. Was the economy a huge factor? Of course it is. Was that the same high priority for everyone? Obviously not.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (WvXvd)

131 Obama understands vaginas.

Bwahahahahaha.

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (B/VB5)

132 This doesn't upset me, because I've accepted the fact that elections no longer matter in our country.

It's time to move on.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (IoNBC)

133
Chris Christie: I did Not embrace Obama.
Whoopie: Well, it wasn't an embrace-embrace.

Posted by: 4 more years of O-bah-muhhZombie-ism at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (JCekX)

134 Already said it in a previous thread, and this proves it out:
PR, 24/7/365 starting NOW in Spanish, English, Chinese, Korean, etc. NOW.

Romney had some wonderful internet ads that gave me tears, but I'm the choir. It's a Twitter+Oprah world. #shortandsweet4lo-infovoters

Posted by: exliberal at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (leIQP)

135 "As conservatives we deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to
be. The challenge is to change this reality, not bitch about it."

No, we should lie like the Dems to get elected. Then go ahead do what's right to fix the problem. And they lie about what we've done.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (j2McS)

136 arrrg

Again, no it was NOT a religion thing.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (YdQQY)

137 Right now, if Boehner had any brains, he would be
holding press conference after press conference announcing how the GOP
House is going to eliminate tax breaks for rich white Hollywood
producers and movie studios and give that money to education.



He would hold hearing after hearing where movie stars, like Harrison
Ford, could testify that despite the fact that Star Wars IV-VI have
made a gazzillion dollars worldwide, evil 1% George Lucas and his evil
accounts have told him that there is no royalty check because "it hasn't
made any money".



And yea, Boehner, while I am giving you free advice, I think its
time for some union-mob investigations as well. You can talk about the
legacy of Robert F. Kennedy that way.





Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (OWjjx)

Yes! Exactly right.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (R9579)

138 That chart is instructive, however, about just how fucking ignorant Obama voters really are, especially since even the one thing they're voting for is categorically untrue: Obama doesn't give a shit about his voters except to the extent he can use them as an instrument of his own power; to the contrary, he pretty much cares only about himself and his family.

I hope the poor enjoy being poor, because they just voted for four more years of crushing deprivation.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (8/DeP)

139 "Cares about people like me" = "Gives me free stuff"

No, it doesn't. I'll admit there's a high correlation, though.

The thing is, they want to believe you're thinking about them specifically. This is a problem for Republicans because we don't. We don't think about specific groups, we realize that our policies are the best for the biggest number.

That said, we need to be able to pretend that we sit around for X minutes a day thinking "Man, what can we do to help the poor?" "Gee, I wonder what we could do to help the Latino population."

It's silly and stupid, and we have to do it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (/eBe8)

140 Feelings,

wo-o-o feelings,

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 12:03 PM (8sCoq)

141 All I can say is that I guess I look forward to the day when some of
these "Obama cares about me" types are denied an MRI or a hip
replacement or a kidney transplant or cancertreatment.


They'll blame Republicans. They'll be told Obama really wanted them to have that stuff, but the evil greedy racist Republicans wouldn't take money from Rich White People, so He can't help them.

They already do this with the schools (which I will note get shit-tons of money and just waste it on crap).

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 12:03 PM (/kI1Q)

142 Sorry, should be "and THEN lie about what we've done"

Posted by: Sphynx at November 08, 2012 12:03 PM (j2McS)

143 To change the reality, it is simple. Just cut off the coasts. Exclude the leftists shitholes and restore the Constitution.

You've got to be kidding. Take a look at your cities and tell me that will work. You can't keep slicing off pieces.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 12:03 PM (FcR7P)

144
"108... Are any of you going Galt soon?"

I sort of already was, but not in a sustainable way. I'm all ears for ideas on how that might work.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:03 PM (Mxt9o)

145 I think before you try to figure out a way forward in this political environment you should first answer a couple questions.

1. Can the government be reformed to resemble the intent of the Constitution? Is that even possible at this point?

2. Is our debt situation past the point of no return? Are we on a short-term path to insolvency or not?

Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 12:03 PM (J4gw3)

146 Cares about people like me...

That would be the GAY and WOMEN vote.... I don't see ANY MAN EVER admiting that is why they voted.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (lZBBB)

147
Democrats want to destroy the private economy and replace it with a fascist gov controlled comand economy.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (O7ksG)

148 Posted by: George at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (t1NLo)

you fit useful idiots description to a T; they usually get rid of your type of ballast first, you are useless to ....well pretty much to anyone

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (WR5xI)

149 Problem I have with this is the reason people think Obama cares about them more is because of the same reason that many conservatives are against him. He givesus things. He's buying our "love." Conservatives will never be able to match that.

Posted by: sydney jane at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (zYWPO)

150 14 Cares about people like me = gives me free swag.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (Hx5uv)

B-I-N-G-O and Bingo was his name, oh!


I love the idea about Boehner dragging Hollywood to the House, but Mr. Spineless will have none of it.

Posted by: rightwingva at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (pDXql)

151 I hope the poor enjoy being poor, because they just voted for four more years of crushing deprivation.

'BAMA PHO'!!!

Posted by: The Poor at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (FcR7P)

152 Hello, I'm Joan's vagina.

I voted for O because Romney was going to take away my tampons and make Joan pay for birth control pills. And make abortion illegal.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (j2McS)

153 Don't feed the troll.

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (i8u8P)

154
I don't think telling idiots they are idiots helps. I agree. But it doens't change the fact that idiots vote democrat.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (O7ksG)

155 I guess that 47% remark did hurt us, even though it
was the unvarnished truth. The truth just ain't much in demand at this
point.

Maybe once we get a bit closer to the existential crisis it will matter. But I doubt it.


Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2012 12:00 PM (ccXZP)

Media.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (R9579)

156 Too bad all these people didn't 'feel' the high gas prices and that Romney had a plan to make their life easier. I guess they didn't 'feel' bad enough about the last 4 yrs.

I'd put Romney's concern for people over SCOAMF any day. He's genuine and his actions prove it. Check SCOAMF's charity donations before he ran for office. He's a typical cheap liberal. Millions on book sales, but less than 1% 'for the po folks.'

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (UU0OF)

157 I'm so pissed that I find myself gravitating to the "let it burn" camp. we're not going to turn this thing around via messaging or winning hearts and minds, so we might as well let them burn it down so we can get to work rebuilding it properly. like a forest with too much dead growth, a forest fire is what it needs to grow again.

Posted by: exceller at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (ROGMG)

158 Not just "Let. It. Burn." Light some back fires ourselves, and hope it burns the bad people first and worst.

As I posted on a fellow Con's FB wall, it will come quick:

I say put the hoses away and just let it all burn with the impending Sequestration, Obamacare, and letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire (those who were exempted = welcome back to the roles!). No matter what the House does, it will be derided/painted as those 'evil Republicans' by the media and other party (and thus the public), so no need to fight back. The days of 'Schoolhouse Rock - I'm a Bill' is pretty much over with EO's being done to circumvent congress to begin with. It's their win - let them own it and the outcomes from their decision. The country broke it in the first term and then bought it by voting for a second term, even when a viable alternative was offered. The village needs saving but it needs to be burned down for the Phoenix to rise again. And yes, it will be painful as it happens...

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (YLZSZ)

159 care me a river

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (8sCoq)

160 @ 144 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside

Agreed.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (6Lik1)

161 Refresh my memory, Drewie - who said that exit polls are BS?

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (i8u8P)

162 Maybe we should run a prostitute as a candidate who sucks cock for free. Perhaps a male stripper for the ladies? That way we can move up in the "cares about me category'?

Not so much in the "shares my values" category. But hey, that's overrated.

Yes let's stroke the "little guy" and buy into the class warfare shit.

I would rather understand who they surveyed and the reasons for those answers. That is more pertinent.

Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (GGCsk)

163 "Ah feel yo' pain".........so....future candidates should just lie about one more thing....easy.

Posted by: BignJames at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (HtUkt)

164 I think one of the primary reasons that the SCOAMT is seen as a relatable figure is because a good number of people love the fact that he parties with celebrities and that he spews venom towards rich people. They either do not see the logical inconsistencies here or they do not care.

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (YjDyJ)

165 First, George, Fuck you.

Second, you're just as fucked as the reset of us, but are too stupid to realize it. You will have less money in your life for "fun things."

You will have shitty health care. You will lose your job. You will lose your parents basement because they will grow tired of you.

You can go to bed that night knowing full well that it was your fault.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (UK9cE)

166 Screw compassion.

Let Santa Clause feed and clothe the unwashed, uninvolved, willfully ignorant masses.

You're going to get your gay marriage, your legal weed, your food stamps, your welfare (for no work), your free phones, your amnesty. So STFU when the well runs dry. I'm all out of compassion and money and patience and tolerance.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (iYbLN)

167 No, it doesn't. I'll admit there's a high correlation, though.

You also forgot that in addition to free stuff, big Daddy government will also outlaw rainy days, Mondays and whatever else it is that you can not fix.


Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (OWjjx)

168 Obama won 10 of the 12 richest counties in America


because he cares dammit

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (8sCoq)

169 Romney had some wonderful internet ads that gave me tears, but I'm the choir.

These needed to be on TV, not just the Internet. And all the wonderful character testimonials from the convention needed to be cut up into ads and put on TV. This isn't a novel idea; lots of commenters right here suggested it during the campaign.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (B/VB5)

170 74
chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)


From
what I heard today on the radio there isn't much love for Christie or
Obama today in the worst hit areas. I tried to sympathetic but failed.
You get the government you deserve, Unfortunately we also pay for your
shitty choices.

The reality is Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about people only about power.


Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (iYbLN)

Conservative media should harpoon that sucker and take the oil away.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (AWmfW)

171 Wow. So it's all about "feeling your pain" once again. Dupes.

Posted by: MoKim at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (kprEX)

172 Not well. How's your retirement account? Oh ... wait.
Posted by: toby928© for TB


Yep. You are George's retirement account.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (FcR7P)

173 I'd go one further. In business, there are five or
six things that people say motivate them. Money, recognition, location,
being treated fairly, being challenged, having opportunities, you may
think of others. Every one has a list but the priority is different for
each individual. I may not care about recognition as much as money or
opportunity to advance. For others money is lower than fairness or being
challenged. The trick is to know what each person's prioritized list
looks like, so you can address it and create an environment by which
they can become motivated.

Same for elections. Was the economy a
huge factor? Of course it is. Was that the same high priority for
everyone? Obviously not.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (WvXvd)

So we have to get down to the minutia of what motivates everyone and the left just gets to yell 'VAGINAS'?
Again.....the electorate is fuckin' stupid.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (X6akg)

174 We can't go Oprah. I'm on Team Andy: Burn it down.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (yn6XZ)

175 Did they poll Obama's half-brother living in Kenya? How much care is he getting?

I hope, but don't expect, that those who voted for Obama will be like Colonel Nicholson in Bridge on the River Kwai, who, as he falls on the detonator and the bridge blows up, says "What have I done?" But they'd have to have some degree of self-awareness for that, so forget it.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (qtKqj)

176 "108... Are any of you going Galt soon?"

I sort of already was, but not in a sustainable way. I'm all ears for ideas on how that might work.

Me, too. I'd love to hear everyone's ideas.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (IoNBC)

177
I went mostly Galt in 08 when it became obvious that the tipping point had passed. America just voted for for years ofstagnation and decline which will happen faster now. This pattern started in Europe and we are following.

It's a good time to be old, solvent and own farmland. It's a bad time to be in most other positions. I prepared for over 20 years for this, but I'm one of the few lucky ones. If you call watching a country disintegrate lucky.

It is the 25-50 crowd that is screwed. It will be almost impossible to acquire wealth and build for a retirement under the status quo, which has just been solidified.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (1Y+hH)

178 I once knew an intern who could not pass the oral exams at the end of his training. He was a brainy guy who so froze up and looked like he lacked any empathy during the interview. He took all sorts of trainings to pass the exam. One great trainer told him he was wasting his money. He told the intern "Go take acting lessons. Get someone to teach you how to act like a doctor who cares about people." It was perfect advice.

The intern? He joined in a class action suit against the exam and they won.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (6H6FZ)

179
Y'all are making Drew's point in the penultimate paragraph. Nearly half the population puts the amorphous "they care about me" factor as most important in selecting leaders and legislators. Were they fair in so judging Mitt Romney, who has a long and little-discussed history of person-to-person care and help? No. Bitching about the nanny state isn't going to make it disappear. Republicans will win elections when they convince the missing pieces of the electorate that they care deeply about their concerns, care more than the Democrats do, and get that message out through or past a MSM with an entrenched position of demonizing Republicans.
The "s/he cares about me" decisive factor"could be calledOprahfication, but it's justnationalizing a trend that was always so. Congressmen have always instinctively understand this, living as they do in the world of retail politics. That's why "Congress" as a concept gets terrible ratings, yet *my* Congressman keeps getting re-elected: they listen, they seek out constituents, they eat the rubber chicken and shake hands. In the modern age, national figures are no longer remote; what with easy travel and numerous means of communication, there is a feeling of intimacy with national figures that never existed before. The Democrats know how to use this for retail sales, and the MSM helps. The Republicans in the main do not.
How the Republicans convince the 51% that the GOP cares about them, I can't answer in a blogpost. But ignoring that reality, taking the (superior intellectually and even morally) position that national elections should revolve around national problems with national solutions, isn't going to work for us in this era and media environment.

Posted by: Zumkopf at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (Fmlu9)

180
From the outside looking in, most of the pre-election commentary from conservatives was based upon wish fulfillment. Reality didn't match your dreams.
When your perceptions of reality don't match the real world, something's gotta change, andit might not be the rest of the world that needs to change.
Seriously, when a Republican governor is a fat bastard, or some sort of 'turncoat' for merely doing his job? When anyone who disagrees with you is a RINO, or much, much worse? ...even when they agree with many, if not most of your party's platform? You're sending a message, alright. It's just not the one you think you're sending.
You're not just burning bridges behind you. You're burning the bridge you'restanding on.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (WwR1j)

181 80s baby@170. Exactly, and how do you even try to appeal to such people?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (6zgse)

182 Michelle dines on lobster in 5 star hotels because she FUCKEN CARES, MAN

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (8sCoq)

183 Perhaps this suggests a strategy. Explicitly highlighting how pursuing policies that keeppeople impoverished, unemployed, and micromanagedis not exactly "caring".

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (Mxt9o)

184
"I loved what this country used to stand for."
When was that? Here's an example: Lavery, in writing the "williamsburg" film copiedan old Virginapre Revolutionary tale about anexchange over"getting out the support" in which a group is lamenting what we today would call "messaging". Their solution was to go where people already were (in that day, church) and point out what they had in common, rather than emphasizing differences.
This GOP race made little to no effort to be "in common" w/far too many voters.

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (LwGY+)

185 I am still waiting for someone in the media to ask Obama which ofBush's policies were responsible for the financial meltdown.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (2zM0P)

186 164 Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (YLZSZ)


"The village needs saving but it needs to be burned down for the Phoenix to rise again. And yes, it will be painful as it happens..."



THIS. TRAGICALLY, THIS


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (vCK/R)

187 @170 - and therein lies the message.

Obama hangs with a lot of people that much of the electorate wouldn't think much of, if you really hit him over the head with it.

And someone needed to start hitting him over the head with it really, really hard a year ago.




Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (o+SC1)

188 One candidate has given super-generously of his time and money over his lifetime. It's a way of life for him.

The other candidate can't be bothered with his own relatives living in poverty, but believes in being generous with other people's money. By the way, he's entitled to 1.4 billion of other people's money himself.

Which of these candidates cares about poor people?

Posted by: Mindy at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (6jLT3)

189 until you like the results

Like? I tend to want to agree with this chart since it confirms my opinion of you and your ilk. The hard part is trying to come up with a rationale that doesn't include you being a Jonestown Revolutionary Suicide type.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 12:08 PM (evdj2)

190 "...you're voting for the wrong reasons"
Any chance you're running the wrong candidate? "Nope"? Ok.

Posted by: Tim at November 08, 2012 12:08 PM (y67bA)

191 Just want to throw this out there.

How many voters 30 and under did you see out there on Tuesday?

Cuz I saw VERY FEW.

Something's not right about about this whole explanation.

I know the younger numbskull voters skew left due to pubic education brainwash drills, but were they really out in numbers?

I'm not a pollster but there was a greater enthusiasm for the GOP candidates than the final tally showed.

Seems like a lot of votes disappeared that had nothing to do with an age demo.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 08, 2012 12:08 PM (aZ6ew)

192 So we need to jump on the pandering to special interests/race/gender/age/class bandwagon? I'm with Beefy Meatball, I'd rather just burn it down.

Posted by: yinzer at November 08, 2012 12:08 PM (/Mla1)

193 Confederacy of dunces.

Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (KXm42)

194 It's a dumbing down of the voter base.

Two points: Number one - this demonstrates the success of the NEA, and liberals generally, to dumb down our society so that it abandons self-sufficiency for the Nanny State

Number two - one-man-one-vote is ridiculous. No business entity IN THE WORLD operates that way, and neither should government. You get say-so in the operation of the enterprise commensurate with your investment in it. One-man-one-vote is a new concept to our Constitutional jurisprudence - making its appearance during the days of the Warren Court.

The Founders had no use for democracy, for exactly the reasons that have caused it to fail for us - you cannot hand responsibility to the irresponsible. Won't work - never has.

The only hope for the future lies in correcting these two major faults in our society. Can be done, but will take thinking "outside the box".

Posted by: Shakin' Like a Man on a Fuzzy Tree at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (eMtQ2)

195 Drewm so caring about people having JOBS, caring about people being able to Retire one day is NOT a sell?


Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (hX8cq)

196
Blaming Bush and "the video" are also nice scapegoats that work on the feeble minded.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (O7ksG)

197

It is easy to care about people when you are using other people's money
to give them free shit. Now, tell me, how do we change that.

-----

Its kinda Machiavellian..... but you gotta crash the FSA's supply routes. If "I" were Boehner...... Id give Obama just about everything he wants.

Tax hikes above $250,000.00 income. Give it. Name the damn bill after Obama.

Stimulus II.???? Give it. Name the damn bill after Obama.

Raise capital gain rates???? Give it... Name the damn bill after Obama.

You and I and everybody else that understands basic business and economics knows the economy is gonna tank..... prolly tip the economy into recession and unemployment goes North of 9% again.

Brutal????? Yep. Did we do it on purpose????? Yup...... but it's the only way I see to make the shitty economy a part of Obamas record.... cuz a big share of the electorate STILL THINKS THIS IS BUSH's ECONOMY.

If the economy is STILL in the shitter come 2014, we massacre, again, at the midterms.... and at 2016.... we make the sweep.

So.... my plan is to give him all the rope he wants.... he'll hang himself with it because you and I know he does NOT know what he's doing.

My two cents.


Posted by: fixerupper at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (yzX2R)

198 And Steven "kapo" Spielberg has done a film about Lincoln?


The unmitigated fucking ironic chutzpah cuts like a drunken moyle.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (vCK/R)

199 @194 - it's not about issues, it's about personalities.

Convince the voters that Obama's a bad person - or at least in way over his head and just playing at being President - and they'll drift away from his stance on the issues.

That's what wasn't done here.


Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (o+SC1)

200 Don't know if it has been posted already, but some news org reported that in some sections of Philly, the black vote was 99.? percent for Obama.
And the reason given? Because they felt that Romney's plan might hurt them.

That's sort of looking at your current surgeon, who has killed over 22.5% of his patients with his surgical technique, and choosing him over the guy across the street, cause the other guy MIGHT not be perfect.

Blacks have been hit harder than any other group by this economy, and as a group, many of them say "Thank you Sir, may I have another"

Surrendering their future for a free cell phone.

Posted by: Santa Clause at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (BPyqV)

201 105 62 Just anecdotal; Our church has a food pantry. Several of the clients in there on disability or food stamps said, yesterday "You know Romney wanted to do away with food pantries."


Sorry. But I'd have to let nature takes it's course with people that stupid.
Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (GFM2b)

--I read that and thought, is there a correlation between being that dumb and having to use the food pantry in the very first place? Dear Lord.

Posted by: rightwingva at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (pDXql)

202 Yes, the Oprahization of politics sucks but it's a reality. Telling
voters, "Hey idiots, you're voting for the wrong reasons" is not going
to carry the day.



Not yet.

Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (z9HTb)

203 And if we had run John Washington Carver, the MSM would have done everything in their power to make people hate him...

Posted by: phreshone at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (MAhUT)

204 Michelle dines on lobster in 5 star hotels because she FUCKEN CARES, MAN

Now shut up and eat your tree bark.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (/kI1Q)

205 170 - Like, Totally.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (O7ksG)

206 Why bother at this point? We are done.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (pLTLS)

207 Message: I care. Really. Now watch me pitch onto the green. And Michelle wants more lobster, dammit.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (8sCoq)

208 I love the idea about Boehner dragging Hollywood to the House, but Mr. Spineless will have none of it.

You are right and I have rethought my idea slightly.

Gaws knows, Harrison doesn't need the money. But some of the lesser actors probably have horror stories galore and are getting screwed on the royalties (I think one ONT some time ago in a blog far, far away mentioned that the actor who was Darth Vader (not James Earl Jones) still has never gotten a royalty check). Use the lesser actor with their tale of woe against the friggin Hollywood elite. Find some poor sap who had a song ripped off by Jay-Z and start talking about how "sampling" is rich rappers stealing from poor song writers.

Chicagoland politics baby, Chicagoland politics.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (OWjjx)

209 My perception is we lost the election in the final fuggin week. Carried all that water up the hill for ages, and somebody or something pulled the plug.

I'd like to examine what went on each one of those days.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (feFL6)

210 "Obama won 10 of the 12 richest counties in America"

Because they are rich liberal progressivists. The idea that all republicans are rich is a lefty lie.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (j2McS)

211 @ 144 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside

Agreed.


Crap. Now I feel dirty.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (/eBe8)

212 two words: voter fraud.

Every unexpected red state senate candidate should immediately contest their election.

these numbers do not correspond to reality.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (QxSug)

213 It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money.
And it's easy to talk about "charity" and "justice" when you're using the coercive power of taxation to push those ideals.
Sadly, we need a culture change to upset this. My hope is over the next generation we can peel off enough young catholics (and others, but I'm catholic so that's where I'm focusing right now) who realize that true Charity is giving of your own stock, not giving of government stock. And a true legitimate government fosters virtue by building the conditions under which it can thrive, not mandating it (which incidentally isn't actually virtue then, but you get the point.)
A conservative message would resonate which such a group. We just need to find it.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (DrI+i)

214 I got a news flash for everyone. If the Republicans nominated the ghost of Mother Theresa the MSM would smear her as being an uncaring bitch. That is who they are, that is what they do. John McCain was the media's favorite Republican, as long as he was annoying Bush. As soon as he got the nomination, he became an unfeeling, hardcore neanderthal conservative who hated minorities and wanted to put them back in the fields picking cotton. Ditto with Romney. If the Republicans nominate Olympia Snow in 4 years she will get the same treatment. We need to quit trying to figure out who we can nominate that can come across as being more feeling and empathetic. As long as we have the media we have in this country, it doesn't matter who we nominate, they will do the same thing to them. If we nominate Herman Cain the MSM will brand him a racist. Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin will be anti-women, etc. It doesn't have to have any basis in reality. It is the theory of 'The Big Lie'. Apparantly it still works as well as ever.

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (S4N/h)

215 So, we have many precincts in Philly where Obama won 99% of the black vote.

Is there any precinct int he entire country where Romney won 99% of the white vote?

When are we allowed to complain about the obvious racial hatred exhibited by blacks?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (ZPrif)

216 The chart shows not a damned thing about conservatism. It shows that after several months of being told Romney doesn't share your values, Romney doesn't care about people like you, Romney's vision is to take us back to the policies of Bush that got us in the mess to begin with - a few tens of millions of idiots stayed home, some voted for Gary's Johnson, and lots voted for Barky.

Posted by: Patrick at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (uRTFI)

217 It also plays right into the story of the Hurricane, O got to play the compassionite leader. Mitt should have gone to Jersey and walked around for awhile. That plus the 47% tape kills Romney with that group

Posted by: jbwbubba at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (BZcMK)

218 We're beyond fucked as a country.

Couldn't take any more news last night. Channel surfed over to HSN.

Snooki Couture is being sold. I shit you not. Snooki.Couture. She even has a "perfume" which I'm sure smells like well used cooter.

Snooki Couture. We're doomed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (UOM48)

219 I "care" so much about them my last two days have been spent divesting in companies with unionized labor, cancelling expenditures in "Blue" states, getting out of T-bills/muni debt, sheltering my income and generally going into a financial bunker.

Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (GGCsk)

220 Romney ran a clean, principled campaign based on ideas and a conservative message.
FAIL. That is an outmoded model.
Obama ran a dirty, mudslinging campaign of lies, and the alleged war on women meme was bought, hook line and sinker. That's how you win.
Republicans won't win again unless they get in the gutter. They may not win anyway, if Soros people are programming the voting machines.

Posted by: real joe at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (v4775)

221
What we need in a presidential candidate:

1. A governor
2. Conservative
3. Not too wealthy
4. Not too concerned with social issues
5. Capable of coming off as kinda cool
6. Appeals to, or at least doesn't frighten, hispanics

Is there anybody who could possibly fill that bill?

Mike Pence, Rick Perry, Susana Martinez are three I'm watching very closely.

Honestly Rubio is too young. He needs to either stay in the Senate another term, or run for Governor of Florida.

Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (b00RV)

222
From now on, my money only goes to people that share my values.

Family used me as bank at times and felt free to ridicule how I voted.

I've wound up the hose and I will watch as they burn. Let them ask Obama for help.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (W+Itt)

223 I'll vote for anyone who can tell me where george lives.

Posted by: Old Glazier at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (YGHl3)

224 We need to nominate someone who grew up in poverty and worked their way through college as a garbage man.

Right there, that takes away 50% of the attacks that can be made against them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (/i+eU)

225 Several of the clients in there on disability or food stamps said,
yesterday "You know Romney wanted to do away with food pantries."


And in the real world, Democrats get church food pantries shut down because "church" is offensive and distasteful and hurts the feelings of the people taking their free food.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (/kI1Q)

226
Democrats want to destroy the private economy and replace it with a fascist government controlled comand economy.

Because they care. Then said democrats party with rich celebrities and clear the day for a few rounds of golf.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (O7ksG)

227 I would agree with the Progs and their new reality, except then we'd all be wrong.

Just leave me alone.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (AZB/i)

228 Don't blow it with purist showoffs next time,
Republicans. [/ann coulter]

I think I just got another blowjob!

Posted by: governor chris christie at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (nkiQM)

229 And 53% of women said abortion 'rights' trumped the economy.

Great job, gals!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (pLTLS)

230 so we promise every special snowflake we will holdyour hand from birth to death, make every decision , find you job if You WANT to work? If you don't that's ok too?

pay for every mistake? pay for every abortion? pay for eevry bump along the way because WE are NOT capable of anything as individuals


Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (hX8cq)

231 I am Joan's vagina.

Bill Clinton tried to "woo" my vote for Obama, if you know what I mean (AITYD).

Posted by: Sphynx at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (j2McS)

232 I love the idea about Boehner dragging Hollywood to the House, but Mr. Spineless will have none of it.



Posted by: rightwingva at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (pDXql)

I think it could be good theatrics , if they find the balls to do it.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (AWmfW)

233 this is totally not my idea of being FREE.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (hX8cq)

234 162 I'd put Romney's concern for people over SCOAMF any day. He's genuine
and his actions prove it. Check SCOAMF's charity donations before he ran
for office. He's a typical cheap liberal. Millions on book sales, but
less than 1% 'for the po folks.'


All this is true, but unfortunately our television-obsessed culture now holds to the idea that acting like you care is the same as proving that you do.

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (YjDyJ)

235 Why are trolls even here? They should be out looting the Treasury.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (FcR7P)

236 I'd like to examine what went on each one of those days.


Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (feFL6)


That's easy.

Hurricane. Obama looks Presidential. Christie sucks his dick. Romney doesn't defend one attack and Benghazi goes largely unnoticed.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (UK9cE)

237
"183 I went mostly Galt in 08 when it became obvious that the tipping point had passed. America just voted for for years ofstagnation and decline which will happen faster now. This pattern started in Europe and we are following.

It's a good time to be old, solvent and own farmland. ..."


Interesting, but why farmland? After Kelo, is any land really safe? I would think that something that you can't pick up and move would be an easy target for the second-handers.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (Mxt9o)

238 Can Reid really eliminate the Senate Filibuster? With 45 GOP Senators. The GOP House will stand for this will they?

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (t4nf+)

239 If the only way we can become relevent again is to embrace bullshit identity politics.....then it's all over as far as I'm concerned. We're supposed to become the American version of the British Conservative Party?

Doomed. Best I can think of is to wait for a secession movement someday.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (zmlwq)

240
"Right now, if Boehner had any brains, he would be
holding press conference after press conference announcing how the GOP
House is going to eliminate tax breaks for rich white Hollywood
producers and movie studios and give that money to education"
This is exactly, 100%, on the mark correct. Times 10,000. Only thing I'd add is that the GOP should then put out a few short (3 min or less) vids on the same thing. Maybe hit a couple of talk shows (trust me, actors hosts have no love for the studios).
But that would require brains.

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (LwGY+)

241 Snooki Couture. We're doomed.

Is her baby line out yet?

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (/kI1Q)

242
As conservatives we deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. The challenge is to change this reality, not bitch about it.





Jebus Drew. We are still stinging from the disaster. Can't we be allowed a few days of bitching?

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (OlN4e)

243 Message: I care. Really. That's what this champagne fountain that costs more than you make in a year represents. Americans are having a tough time of it because of stuff that isn't my fault. I was thinking about this on my last visit to Martha's Vineyard. I was on my approach shot at the 17th green.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (8sCoq)

244 Romney had his 47% gaffe. Obama said bitter people cling to guns and religion an and hate outsiders.

Which of these did the media cover?

Oh yeah, right.

Posted by: TD at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (DQMcq)

245 Drewm so caring about people having JOBS, caring about people being able to Retire one day is NOT a sell?

Umm... obviously not. QED.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (/eBe8)

246 i don't wnt govt to MAKEmy decisions,
They will then learn to make decisions that Benifit THEM.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (hX8cq)

247 Wait till all those out of work union workers watch the Keystone Pipeline being built in Canada to British Columbia so all that beautiful oil can be sold and shipped to the Chinese.

Pennsylvania and Ohio coal miners? Look out the EPA is coming for you. Have fun in the unemployment line fellows. Stock up on peanut butter and white bread.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (iYbLN)

248 When are we allowed to complain about the obvious racial hatred exhibited by blacks?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (ZPrif)

__
When Al Sharpton says it's OK to.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (jm/9g)

249 The biggest mystery of the election is why 13 million people
who voted in 2008, stayed home in 2012. Obama lost
10 million voters, Romney lost 3 million.

The second biggest mystery is why couldn't Romney/Ryan not
produce the number of votes as McCain/Palin?

Could the "cares about people like me" really be "is like me"?
Perhaps Palin's draw was of the "she's like me", which motivated
more people to show up for the GOP.

The "like me" worked for an election cycle in Massachusetts for
Scott Brown. Until "like me" worked better for a lying two faced
fake Indian.


Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (e1eKc)

250 247
Snooki Couture. We're doomed.

Is her baby line out yet?


Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (/kI1Q



If it is, I'm sure it features infant bikinis and thongs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (UOM48)

251 I am thinking the weather in Fiji is pretty good year round...

Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (GGCsk)

252 Michelle dines on lobster in 5 star hotels because she FUCKEN CARES, MAN


Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (8sCoq)




Exactly, they live like royalty and spend like politicians but they somehow care about the idiots. There is no end to the depths of some peoples stupidity

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (1Jaio)

253 Perhaps this suggests a strategy. Explicitly
highlighting how pursuing policies that keeppeople impoverished,
unemployed, and micromanagedis not exactly "caring".

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (Mxt9o)

Media.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (R9579)

254 There are a lot of good, right answers here. Every single one of them goes to image and salesmanship. Learn or keep losing.




Posted by: SurferDoc at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (6H6FZ)

255 I am Joan's vagina.

I voted for O because you can bounce a quarter off that butt.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (j2McS)

256 I for one want a least a month where I can be mad. Unfortunately we have 4 years to think about the next election. Four f***ing years!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (9+ccr)

257 Interesting, but why farmland? After Kelo, is any land really safe? I would think that something that you can't pick up and move would be an easy target for the second-handers.
--------------------
To Virginia's credit, the voters did approve a constitutional amendment limiting the government's eminent domain power. I'm not sure if it applies only to the state government, rather than federal, but it's better than nothing.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (qtKqj)

258 That article on the sidebar (Daughty, The American Thinker) is so spot on it's all I can do to stop slobbering over it.

Most children in this country are educated through the public school system, and conservatives have for all intents and purposes completely let the whole thing go off the fucking rails. The fact of the matter is, when you ask a high school student what their political beliefs are, they will inevitably come back to you with some kind of half-reasoned crap - but it will be LIBERAL half-reasoned crap. Almost ALWAYS liberal.

Since the public school system (and, by extension, the system of higher education, which is another matter) is where the majority of kids spend their time, every succeeding generation is going to become more and more steeped in that oft-used term "leftist indoctrination."

What the hell do we do about it? There needs to be some reform movement.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (UodtB)

259 What's with this "we" business?

Drew is thrilled by this result, and wants to throw nonsense like this in our faces.

Why?

Perhaps he doesn't care about people like me.

Yeah, we know, genius. Ds get votes on emotions, Rs get votes on issues. Come back when you have something relevant to say, Drew. Otherwise, sod off.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (TOk1P)

260 The GOP has been so succesful with the concept of tax cuts that we cut out half the people from the responsibility. We forgot that it was always going to be important to have everyone share in the pain of paying taxes. So in that vein, just let the Bush tax cuts expire and let everyone pay.

Also, while the conservatives and GOP have won a lot of battles along the way - tax cuts, guns, and maybe we are even winning the pro-life battle (with the help of sonograms), we have never won any real battle for limited government. Perhaps, the limited government message does not work. Everyone says they are for it, but no one wants to give up any thing. Maybe we should modify our message to be decentralized government. Let's not cut spending, let's send it to the states.

Just spit balling ideas.

Posted by: SH at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (gmeXX)

261 215
My perception is we lost the election in the final fuggin week. Carried
all that water up the hill for ages, and somebody or something pulled
the plug.

I'd like to examine what went on each one of those days.


Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (feFL6)

A bitched whale on jersey shore.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (AWmfW)

262 And thanks, Chris Christie, for screaming to the
whole world how much Obama cares. I'm sure the people still suffering
in NY and NJ feel his love.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (6zgse)


Oh don't you worry,Christie is going to get my thanks when he runs for reelection. The one advantage of living in jersey at this point is having the actual ability to burn his ass at the ballot box.

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (FMbng)

263 I look forward to the Obamas' many lavish vacations the next four years.

They don't need to pretend to care anymore.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (UOM48)

264 Did anyone see that video on WZ that NGU posted the link to? I know the dems don't like Israel but really i had no idea of the hatred that was in the black community for Israel. Is this a result of Calypso Louie? I don't get it. What are the chances of Israel dropping a package on Iran now that TFG won. This whole thing makes my head feel like its going to explode.

Especially bad headache since I am here waiting for my grandchild to be born. For my son I am trying to be happy but his wife .. she is a slobbering TFG white young drooler. I told my son yesterday do not discuss politics around me. I wish the baby were born before the election. Hope this is their only child. That sounds horrible but its how I "feel".

Posted by: osu at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (xR46S)

265 Can Reid really eliminate the Senate Filibuster?

Filibuster is just an established convention, not law, not in te constitution. Each congress gets to make the rules its going to operate under.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (/i+eU)

266
Can Reid really eliminate the Senate Filibuster?


Yes. Filibuster is a chamber rule, and each chamber gets to set its own rules.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 12:16 PM (/eBe8)

267 BigDaddyD @220, you got it.

The media will not permit even the Lord Jesus Christ, God of all compassion, to be portrayed as anything but evil and uncaring if He were running against Obama.

As Pat Caddell has been saying, the media is the enemy.

If even the stupid members of the electorate had been exposed to 1/10 of what Obama has done, he would have lost in a landslide. Perhaps it's the campaign's fault for not exposing him, but honestly, from my personal experience, once you start recounting all the evil he's done, people tend not to believe you because it all seems so over the top.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 12:16 PM (6zgse)

268 The challenge is to adapt and overcome. Not to change. If you try to change this without being in control of the message, you will fail.

Messages like "gays marriage is bad", and other socon staples don't quite help. Actually they hurt.

The principle question is, how many more election cycles will we lose on "principled" stances, express indignation, and then try the same old failed things again?

How long before we admit that this pathway is only a road to ruin? How long before we adapt to the changed world?

Look, some socons are up in arms insisting that we can't exclude their views, and must continue to tow their incredibly unpopular lines. Fine, we have no choice but to tow their lines. And thus guaranteeing we score low in critical items that voters appear to care about.

So we are guaranteeing a future string of losses as long and as far as the eyes can see.

Lets just be clear on this.

We can adapt to our conditions, or we can fail to adapt. Failure to adapt means extinction.

I am not sure I disagree with Mr Cain at this point. There is no future hawking an agenda which cannot be popular. You cant win political power and enact good legislation unless you win elections. You can't win elections unless you deal with issues people care about. You can't deal with issues people care about if you espouse points of view that people are appalled by.

Arguments against Cain's suggestion are that it would halve the size of the party. Doubt it would be that much, but it gives us the ability to pull in the conservative democrats, who want limited government and fiscal responsibility.

Oh well.

Posted by: joe in michigan at November 08, 2012 12:16 PM (3R8wQ)

269 And someone needed to start hitting him over the head with it really, really hard a year ago.






Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (o+SC1)


Media.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:16 PM (R9579)

270 caring about people having JOBS

Jobs = "They're gonna put y'all back in CHAINS!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 12:16 PM (/kI1Q)

271 I really hope Cory Booker decides to run against Christie; hell, I might even pitch some $$ to Booker's campaign. Christie can rot.

Posted by: IC at November 08, 2012 12:16 PM (a0IVu)

272 This tells me Romney didn't know how to sell conservatism. Not surprising considering he was always more comfortable with big government solutions. As a result potential conservative voters think conservative ideals coming out of his mouth sound shallow and uncaring.

Posted by: NotCoach at November 08, 2012 12:16 PM (jU7Af)

273 It sickens me that such a large slice of the electorate thinks that their quality of life depends on whether some bloody politician "cares" about them. What a nation of pussies we've become.

That's what happens when your society becomes feminized. Chris Muir has a great cartoon today that spells that out perfectly. Essentially, it says women, being weaker, crave security. Men crave freedom. Throughout my life, I've seen and heard the idea of the strong man derided and criticized, and this is the price we're now paying for allowing this to happen.

Ask yourself if TFG is more masculine or feminen.

Posted by: Comrade BackwardsBoy at November 08, 2012 12:16 PM (lOmbq)

274 182 Scaboface,

Buy a truck. Offer your services to clean up abandoned buildings for cash. Mow lawns, work security for empty malls. Basically resign yourself to eating, and breathing.

My wife loses her 15 year military career I am seriously considering hauling travel trailers for Tom Raper in Indiana and controlling coyotes for farmers for table money and not even carrying a mortgage anymore.

Let it burn I'm ex-infantry I'll survive and keep mine safe. Find a group of people who are collapsing in on mutual interlocking skill sets and buy whatever land you can afford get into canning and preserves making.

That scrap and debris I mentioned at the lead?

You can use that for building materials. The entire key is to developing shadow wealth and survival skills. When I get back down to Louisiana and buy my first five acres I plan to make it my life's goal to hide my wealth.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (LRFds)

275
"Romney had his 47% gaffe. Obama said bitter people cling to guns and religion an and hate outsiders.

Which of these did the media cover?"
Which one did the GOP pick up run with?

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (LwGY+)

276 It shows Romney's unique weakness. The Boston plutocrat.

Posted by: SCFOAMF returns at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (3oPjL)

277 I said it on twitter, and I'll say it again. Watching my facebook posts, I've reached the conclusion that our message of personal responsibility seems to have had a backfire effect in that people interpreted it as not caring about the poor at all.
Because I want middle class College kids to pay their own tuition.
Because I want a broader base paying for our highway system.
Because I think you should pay for your own birth control,
Apparently I'm classist and hate the "poor" who are "just trying to get back on their feet."

We need to streamline the message. "Listen we're not unwinding the safety net, but it doesn't need to be set at "upper middle class" height."

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (DrI+i)

278 Did I miss the part of Obama's biography where he grew up in poverty, didn't attend exclusive universities, never made any money and never received any help along the way?

This is stoopid. The man faked he cared and they bought it. So we should do the same?

Gimme a break.

Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (GGCsk)

279 How many voters 30 and under did you see out there on Tuesday?

Posted by: ontherocks


I saw lots, more than I ever remember seeing in decades.

Then again, liberalizing marijuana laws was on the ballot in my state. It passed easily 63% - 37%.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (A+/8k)

280 Not reaching out to the Tea Party cost Romney a few votes. Some of the most popular former primary rivals were left out in the cold when their voters could have been brought into the tent. Elementary stuff in politics. Shake hands and wave to the crowd smiling when the primaries are over.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (6H6FZ)

281 268. He made a deal with the devil. Obama will make sure no legitimate Dem will run against Christie.

First sign is when Christie says he supports Gay Marriage

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (t4nf+)

282 ***facepalm***


I was suicidal enough Tuesday night, but you guys are making it a trillion times worse.


"Cares about people like me" DOES. NOT. MEAN. GIVES. ME. FREE. STUFF.


Please, please, please, please, PLEASE, put that argument away.


Go, RIGHT NOW, to YouTube and find the Obama Bain Capital ads. Watch them. All of them.


They're not about free shit. They're about making Mitt Romney look like a plutocratic, uncaring monster who took your job and sent it to China while he made lots of money and put that in Switzerland.


Who wants to vote for an asshole like that?

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (qe2/V)

283 272 Allen G,

Correct, the American people just elected the first purposeful and designed totalitarian oligarchy in our history.

Have fun.

let it burn

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (LRFds)

284 244
Can Reid really eliminate the Senate Filibuster? With 45 GOP Senators. The GOP House will stand for this will they?


Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (t4nf+)

The House has nothing to do with it; the Senate makes its own rules and it can unmake them. You can change the rules at the beginning of a session through some parliamentary maneuver that I don't understand well enough to describe. If Hairy pulls off that maneuver, the filibuster will die and all hell will break loose.

Posted by: joncelli at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (RD7QR)

285 I don't just dislike this chart. I hate it with the power of a thousand burning suns. This is what happens when people cede their personal autonomy to authority. Of course they want someone who "cares about me." How can a leader solve all of my problems if he doesn't care about me? As for me, I want the person who says, I'll worry about the day to day constitutional duties of the federal government, and I'll leave you the hell alone. You can decide if you want to drink Big Gulps and chain smoke.

Posted by: no good deed at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (mjR67)

286 And another one:

A lot of movie companies shot their films in foreign locals, particularly Canada, We need a 25% surtax on any film where more than 25% of the production time in spent in a foreign country to protect American movie making jobs.

Come on Boehner,. I am giving you all these for free.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (OWjjx)

287 >Oh don't you worry,Christie is going to get my thanks when he runs for reelection.'

hey remember a jillion years ago when we thought a Rep gov in Jersey might help turn the state red the next Presidential election?

good times, good times

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (8sCoq)

288 halp me , i am stupid, i want govt in my womb and in my breasts , I want them to restrict salt , for the greater good of ME ,to make everyone comply with me on everything!

no states rights, no liberty, and make Other pay for every decision i make cause i am incapable.

alright then.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (hX8cq)

289 When are we allowed to complain about the obvious racial hatred exhibited by blacks?


Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (ZPrif)


Its like Islam.... we have been indoctrinated NOT to admit that THEY are at war, with us...

Same with Hispanics.... how can a country allow a Legal Group to exist, whose stated intent is to take part of the US and give it to another Country?

Racial Minorities are SELF segregating... but if you, as a White, point this out, YOU are wrong and a Racist bastard....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (lZBBB)

290 Why is it that only democrats steal elections?

I'm going to look into some leveling of the playing field.

Because its all about fairness...

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (I2LwF)

291 Evidently, most people think Romney shares their values, is a strong leader, and has a vision for the future.

It also means those same people don't care about anybody else either.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (Qxe/p)

292 I mean, one has to look no further than pop culture to see how utterly conservatives have lost this generational war. I'm surprised Romney got as many votes as he did, being a successful, older white man.

It's stupidly easy to paint Obama as "hip" and in with it. On the other hand, the idea of imagining an America where any kind of Republican could approach the status of "cool" is unbelievable to me. This is a big problem.

And in this discussion, is it true as some have alleged that Romney did win independents but somehow lost due to lower Republican turnout?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (UodtB)

293 Remember that campaign with Joan, or whoever the female was? Where under Obama, she is carried from womb to grave by the government, without a single shred of personal responsibility?

And we all said "OOHHH , who would want to live like that?"

Well, now we know.

Posted by: Santa Clause at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (BPyqV)

294 It's not about whether Obama ACTUALLY cares about people. It's the perception by the public that he does.

Romney's biggest detraction, even among most conservative blogs his entire campaign was that he appeared aloof and robotic.

Believe it or not Bush Jr NEVER had that problem. They called him dense and stupid, but you could tell every single time he talked to a camera, no matter what came out of his mouth, he was open and friendly, and his smile wasn't forced. He appeared genuinely happy and when he talked about the american people, he had a fatherly prideful glow.

Even when asked about all those protesters that wanted him in jail or dead, he smiled and said their right to protest was what made this country great.

And Reagan... that man choked up and nearly cried on national television when the space shuttle exploded. He loved the American people more than life, even the leftists knew that.

Warmth. It's not a new thing, but for Romney it appeared impossible.

Posted by: mnm at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (6mijs)

295 JIM: Yep. Go big or go home cry in your coffee.

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (LwGY+)

296 Whites were the least racist voting bloc in the election. Blacks were the most racist.

Blacks 95% O
Hispanic 70% O
Asians 70% O

Whites 60% R

And Whites are universally considered the most racist. Why is that?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (ZPrif)

297 They don't need to pretend to care anymore.

Your thinking of Clinton. He was the one who at least made the effort to pretend to give a shit.

TFG never has once.

The people failed.

Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (KXm42)

298 I don't get how Obama comes across as caring. Unless by caring, you mean "gives away free shit."

Maybe it's because I'm a conservative who sees a president who: ignored cries for help from endangered citizens in Benghazi, doesn't have the time for disaster struck areas unless it's an election season, golfs a lot, sends his wife on lavish vacations while the populace tries to scrape together a living, etc...

Basically, it's a PR issue - it's not about making people see that Republicans care - it's about making them see that the Democrats don't.

The way I see it, we'll never get people to think we care as long as the current media is in charge and the school system doesn't change. We have to overcome two gigantic obstacles that have become so entrenched in society that it will take several lifetimes to win any fight against them.

Posted by: soulpile is... expendable at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (NJpM7)

299 3-5% voter fraud, bank it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (3Y7RV)

300 My two cents.




Posted by: fixerupper at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (yzX2R)

You have it. Give Obama everything he wants. We need to crash this bitch and make it hurt.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (R9579)

301 We need to nominate someone who grew up in poverty and worked their way through college as a garbage man.Right there, that takes away 50% of the attacks that can be made against them.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (/i+eU)

Not really. John Boehner (just to use an example) grew up poor as shit. But he's still just a rich white republican to the left.

Posted by: yinzer at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (/Mla1)

302 122 Honestly, I think they believed the "he's a Mormon" hype and just stayed home.

Again, no it was a religion thing. We will need some more detailed exitpollsand maybe some polling of Republicans who did not vote.

They were more comfortable with a muslim than a Mormon. I pray for their daughters.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (GFM2b)

303 "The only hope for the future lies in correcting these two major faults in our society. Can be done, but will take thinking 'outside the box.'"

Step 1: Gird your loins. Prepare for a societal collapse; husband away food, seed, tools, books (probably the most important), and weapons on defensible, arable land, and move there ASAP. Build social networks--the real ones, the ones that don't require technology.
Step 2: Await the vengeance of the Gods of the Copybook Headings
Step 3: After the cities stop burning and the bodies have finished decomposing, work with your social network to establish a new society built on these principles.

The crisis is coming. Do not let it go to waste.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (OY/SZ)

304 "Cares about people like me" DOES. NOT. MEAN. GIVES. ME. FREE. STUFF.

It doesn't to you, because you're self-sufficient and semi-reasonable.

You're also way the fuck outnumbered by people for whom that IS true.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (/kI1Q)

305
hey remember a jillion years ago when we thought
a Rep gov in Jersey might help turn the state red the next Presidential
election?

good times, good times


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (8sCoq)

Or in Virginia or Wisc, Ohio, or NM....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (9+ccr)

306 And in the real world, Democrats get church food pantries shut down because "church" is offensive and distasteful and hurts the feelings of the people taking their free food.



Didn't Bloomberg quite literally do this because the free bar mitzvah leftovers had too much fat?

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (hyP1j)

307 All this is true, but unfortunately our television-obsessed culture now holds to the idea that acting like you care is the same as proving that you do.


Posted by: 80sBaby at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (YjDyJ)
This, if you watch tv or go on the internet you would think only progs were helping people. This is inherently false, conservatives, and may religious types don't brag about giving back. It's all about image, Obama understands this about the under 30 crowd. He knows what to do what to say, trust me I'm 28, there are times even I say wow that was pretty good. I know it's wrong but it doesn't change reality. He makes a slick campaign ad for young people, his wife is out and about talking about clothes, he dances on stage. The conservative ads going toward young people were largely ineffective and looked like they were produced in the 1990's, I'm talking specifically about the one with kid who is living in the basement it just sort of muddled along then ended, no pop, no soundtrack no nothing.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (NzBQO)

308
"230 We need to nominate someone who grew up in poverty and worked their way through college as a garbage man.

Right there, that takes away 50% of the attacks that can be made against them."


You are completely on the wrong track. Romney was so squeeky-clean they had to dig up when he was mean to some kid when he was a teenager, to use against him. He was so devoid of gaffes that they had to declare things that wer'ent gaffe, gaffes.

It doesn't matter whether there is anything real to attack or not. They will invent something.

Just look at that storm. Under Bush, they literally blamed him for the weather. Under President I'll-Stop-The-Oceans-From-Rising, it's somebody else's fault.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (Mxt9o)

309 Sequestration bring it on!

Posted by: Poohrat at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (F2jy+)

310 Pennsylvania and Ohio coal miners? Look out the EPA is coming for you. Have fun in the unemployment line fellows. Stock up on peanut butter and white bread.
Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (iYbLN)


Yup and we all better get used to brown outs and black outs.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (79ueO)

311 @268 - I dunno...I don't think a Governor Chris Christie's going anywhere nationally anywhere, but a Cory Booker could certainly use the governor's office as a jumping-off point.

Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (o+SC1)

312 273 BigDaddyD @220, you got it.

The media will not permit even the Lord Jesus Christ, God of all compassion, to be portrayed as anything but evil and uncaring if He were running against Obama.

As Pat Caddell has been saying, the media is the enemy.

If even the stupid members of the electorate had been exposed to 1/10 of what Obama has done, he would have lost in a landslide. Perhaps it's the campaign's fault for not exposing him, but honestly, from my personal experience, once you start recounting all the evil he's done, people tend not to believe you because it all seems so over the top.

------------------------------------------------------------

Much truth in this. Obama is, and always was his own worst enemy. But when the MSM is determined to be his unpaid PR hacks it is hard to get the message out. Another reason why Romney was the wrong candidate. He was incapable of talking past the media.

Posted by: NotCoach at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (jU7Af)

313 Cares about people like me" DOES. NOT. MEAN. GIVES. ME. FREE. STUFF.





Please, please, please, please, PLEASE, put that argument away.





Go, RIGHT NOW, to YouTube and find the Obama Bain Capital ads. Watch them. All of them.





They're not about free shit. They're about making Mitt Romney look
like a plutocratic, uncaring monster who took your job and sent it to
China while he made lots of money and put that in Switzerland.





Who wants to vote for an asshole like that?

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (qe2/V)


Rockmom, m, sooo fluke and cell phone lady were not asking for free shit?ows wasn't asking for free shit?

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (hX8cq)

314 I love the Pollyannas on the right who say, well, jepos doesn't have a mandate. That's all we got? When did he need a mandate? He rules by executive order, he doesn't even need an act of Congress!

Posted by: real joe at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (v4775)

315 I saw one poll question that was asked in August that was something like "Which one of the candidates would take better care of you while you were sick?" I forget the percentages, but more picked Obama even though Romney hadactually nursed Ann back to health from both MS and breast cancer. Freakin' facepalm.

Posted by: Lurker who doesn't want to get in the barrel at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (tl7W6)

316 Pay f0r my b.c and abortion wasn't asking for FREE shit?

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (hX8cq)

317 268. He made a deal with the devil. Obama will make sure no legitimate Dem will run against Christie.

Obama will fuck Christie in the ass in the blink of an eye now that he got all the mileage out of him he needed to get.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (/i+eU)

318 No surprise. I've been talking about this and how it affects conservatism for years. What's new is that we've now tipped.

This cannot be "changed" - unless you pander and become a Democrat. So, that is why we're screwed now, and the only answer is to let it crash. Pain must be experienced.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (zpqa2)

319
So Republicans should strive to be just as reckless as Democrats in bribing voters with their own money? And just what is to keep Team D from ratcheting it up even more? Good judgement?

Yeah, we should say we'll drive off this cliff EVEN FASTER than the other guys. Brilliant.

Fuck it. Give the left what they want fiscally. Hell, give 'em even more. Let 'em crash this bitch but good. Let it burn.

Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (4I3Uo)

320 Why is it that only democrats steal elections?



I'm going to look into some leveling of the playing field.



Because its all about fairness...


Ends justify the means.

Seriously, I'm wondering the same thing. Why is it that they need to cheat so much and have official (ACORN) representation managing it? This stuff needs to be looked into and investigated. Maybe a major re-organization of how we conduct voting, do away with polling stations and go with neutral ground locations where both sides get to watch every voter and ballot. As it is now, we just look forward to the following:

PERMANENT DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (GQ8sn)

321 I have a brief story, kind of off topic but sums up the stupidity around us. I have a painting hanging in my living room of the Republican presidents playing cards. A liberal friend of mine was visiting, and she has a Korean teenager staying with her family as an exchange student. He is incredibly intelligent. He points to the painting, naming all the presidents, and looks at her completely in shock. "Abraham Lincoln was REPUBLICAN?!?!!?!" He was totally, totally shocked. She looked at me, looked at him sheepishly, and replied "Well, yes, technically he was Republican, but different than Republicans now". He was completely in shock. Apparently, she taught him that he was actually a Democrat. I'm pretty sure he was taught the same thing at school and in Korea. I wasn't surprised, Obama invokes Lincoln so frequently that I can only guess 1/2 the population thinks that Lincoln is Obama's great grandfather.

Posted by: rightwingva at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (pDXql)

322 295 Romeo 13,

I am slowly getting to the point where I want Amenesty because it will empower them to cede Arizona and New Mexico to mexico.

Let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (LRFds)

323 So a strong leader, who shares your values and has a strong vision for the future, doesn't care about you? We're doomed.

Posted by: SAZMD at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (RuF8n)

324 I've come to the hearbreaking conclusion of let it burn. It's going to anyway. And for those that deserve it, let them burn too.

I'm tired of being nice to people who want to either enslave me or kill me. Fuck 'em.

You're becoming tedious with your "we must pander to get along" philosophy, Drew.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (MvRmr)

325 Well, let's not fight the last war in the coming elections. Sure, let's learn from the screw ups that allowed a miserable failure of a president to win, particularly the GOTV effort - that has to be fixed. And, sure, Romney and Ryan are too bright / cerebral / sentient about the mess we're in to relate to the retard low info voters who can tell you all about dancing with the stars and nothing about our country, and the mess its in. I think the latter is why they didn't relate well to the average chimp who votes, gullible fools who chose to believe things were improving because reality is just too burdensome a thing to contemplate, and an imaginary tampon ban is the biggest issue we face (with Akin ready to come inspect your lady parts). Not to mention the racial solidarity voters.

But that's the situation two days ago. What will it be in the mid-terms?

Obamanomics will continue to fail, in all likelihood in much more dramatic fashion (his first term was a rapid decline followed by bouncing along the bottom, for which he blamed the Rs even though it was purely D policies that caused and perpetuated it thanks to no push-back from the R team of dopes). We will probably see a double dip, especially if Boehner rolls over for the end of the Bush tax cuts, a VAT and or carbon tax. Energy, even without a carbon tax will continue to inflate in cost dramatically, due to the decline in value of the dollar and the crushing of domestic production, this time on private land). These things mean the middle class / some of the 47% will see a tax bill again and won't like it (the House better make sure the Ds get the blame). That also means the bankruptcy of Ca, Il or Ny, as they're living on borrowed time and a fantasy (that further tax increases on the rich will improve their budget deficits). The low probability outcome here is that they compromise on Simpson-Bowles, and that helps the economy recover, but I can't see it since that could have been achived years ago (Oblamer's the clear impediment here - he wants to increase the tax base by dropping deductions / exclusion - except for green energy etc- AND raise the rates, so a huge net tax increase).

Reid's ending of the filibuster can only mean a conservative SCOTUS appointee is on the way out, shifting the balance of power to the far left progs, a battle that will scar the Ds. Either that or he's got some treaty he wants to ram through...

The middle east will probably go to a hot war, not just between Israel and Iran, but between the muslim bros Obama's empowered and the remaining kleptocracies. Russia will be in the thick of it, and China will profit. We will not have domestic sources to fall back on.

So the Ds will not be well positioned for the mid terms, or the next presidential election. The problem is the institutional damage done these last ten years. In the interim, it would be best to keep filtering out the dead-wood RINOs (who are mostly gone now), elevating from the deep bench of 30 odd governors a competent nominee, but also no needlessly selecting candidates too stupid to survive the DMM and Ds obvious social issues traps (i.e., Akin, the guy with the room-temperature IQ who that piece of human waste Huckabee encouraged to stay nominated, and that fool Mourdock).

Not exactly good times but I think Obama will do as much damage long term to the Ds as he's dong to the country...

Posted by: Wild Ride Ahead... at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (bT79U)

326 Another one that is up in 2014 is Lindsay Graham in SC. Dump that loser

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (t4nf+)

327 The media will not permit even the Lord Jesus Christ, God of all compassion, to be portrayed as anything but evil and uncaring if He were running against Obama.

"No Blacks Or Mexicans Allowed In The Last Supper"

Posted by: NPR at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (FcR7P)

328 Care about me is a combination of 1) give me free stuff and 2) will pass laws protecting me from my own stupidity and 3) will make someone else pay for everything and 4) fake act like I really care about you.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (OWjjx)

329 This is stoopid. The man faked he cared and they bought it. So we should do the same?

Gimme a break.


I don't like it either, but it's true.

Most people don't travel very high up the hierarchy of needs. As a result, few of them develop the introspection necessary to realize when they're being bamboozled.

How many times does your local news run a story about some scam that your first thought is "Who falls for that?" Yeah, the people who fall for that, vote.

Barack Obama is a con artist, and a pretty good one, it turns out. And, until we can change the underlying facts and return Federalism to its rightful place in our Government, we have to play the same game.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (/eBe8)

330 ack, rockmom i'm being crabby ,nevermind, we can disagree, sorry.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (hX8cq)

331 >Didn't Bloomberg quite literally do this because the free bar mitzvah leftovers had too much fat?

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (hyP1j)

I think it was because the people donating food didn't have city permits to be food vendors

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (8sCoq)

332 #298 But, WE had the coolest guy on either ticket! We had the guy who actually owns and uses an iPod, who does P90X with Tony Horton, who has a hot blond wife, who hunts with a freaking crossbow. A certified, badass, hunka hunka who already had his own Tumblr page put together by some cute girls.


And we did absolutely nothing with him.


I mean, what the fuck?? Who were the morons who ran this campaign?

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (qe2/V)

333 Exactly. Reagan grew up dirt poor. Ask people under 40 what they think of Reagan -- racist, rich white guy.

Boehner grew up dirt poor. I bet 70% of the country thinks of him as a Country Club Republican.

Facts don't matter if you don't control the Narrative.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (ZPrif)

334 Mark McGwire said he was contemplating retiring as a coach before the Los Angeles Dodgers approached him last week. Now he's working for the team he grew up rooting for as a fan.

The Dodgers announced Wednesday they hired McGwire to be their hitting coach.


Well I guess that is the new American Motto: Cheaters are OK

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (79ueO)

335 >>>I am not sure I disagree with Mr Cain at this point. There is no future hawking an agenda which cannot be popular. You cant win political power and enact good legislation unless you win elections. You can't win elections unless you deal with issues people care about. You can't deal with issues people care about if you espouse points of view that people are appalled by.

Considering how Akin and Mourdock beclowned themselves, I am sympathetic to your point of view, but what exactly IS the new pitch?

Focus completely on economic issues? That's what Romney and Ryan did. They believed in appealing to people's intelligence. It worked enough to squeak them into a close standing, but no cigar.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (UodtB)

336 If we nominate Herman Cain the MSM will brand him a
racist. Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin will be anti-women, etc. It
doesn't have to have any basis in reality. It is the theory of 'The Big
Lie'. Apparantly it still works as well as ever.

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (S4N/h)

And this is why I feel media people should be punched in the mouth at every opportunity. They should be frightened of us. It works for the Muslims anyway.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (R9579)

337
Interesting, but why farmland? After Kelo, is any land really safe? I would think that something that you can't pick up and move would be an easy target for the second-handers.Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (Mxt9o)____ ____ _____ ___ ____Nothing is safe now. Farmland in the sticks is closest to being safe. I'm at my stage 1 retreat now, in a small rural town. I'll move to mysecond retreat in the sticks when the time comes. You must prepare to be self-sufficient, which requires the ability to raise food. It's all about staying a step ahead of the game. People with limited resources should join together and purchase retreats.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (1Y+hH)

338 320 real joe,

exactly I warned everyone I knew that before he even takes the oath again his magic pen will outlaw coal.

They know so now they get what they wanted.

I will never try to stop barack obama's overreaches again until they are lethal or harmful to me directly.

Let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (LRFds)

339 > Execute empathy emulator subroutine 1104.9a
- Error. Hardware address conflict
> Run "c:\human_affinity.exe"
- File not found

Posted by: Romneybot 4.0 at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (SY2Kh)

340 If this country reelected a disaster like Obama because he seemed to "care more", then the citizenry are a bunch of goddamned idiots and we'll continue to have dipshit leadership forever.

Fuck it, I'll just watch "Honey Boo Boo" for the next 4 years and be as stupid as everyone else.

Posted by: UGAdawg at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (WYOrt)

341 >>>And we did absolutely nothing with him.

Yeah, but Ryan is still only the VP pick.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (UodtB)

342 Re: Galt, I've been practicing Selective Galtism for four years. Since I have more incoming work thatn I really know what to do with (praise be to God) I am selective with who I help and what I charge. If I get even a whiff of liberalism or a Demovibe you are either out the door or going to get a bill (that I will pursue to the ends of the Earth through collection) that flat out rocks their budget. I absolutely love fucking Democrats over and wasting their money. It's really the most appropriate thing I think of given those freeloading little bastards proclivity for entitlement.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (8/DeP)

343 249 Message: I care. Really. That's what this champagne fountain that costs
more than you make in a year represents. Americans are having a tough
time of it because of stuff that isn't my fault. I was thinking about
this on my last visit to Martha's Vineyard. I was on my approach shot at
the 17th green.


His hardcore supporters do not hold it against him because they want to be like him. They would rather party with Jay-Z and Beyonce and live a lavish lifestyle than build a business and spend a lifetime ministering to others.

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (YjDyJ)

344 They're not about free shit. They're about making
Mitt Romney look like a plutocratic, uncaring monster who took your job
and sent it to China while he made lots of money and put that in
Switzerland.





Who wants to vote for an asshole like that?

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM (qe2/V)

My gut reaction was "gives me free stuff" but there's a lot of truth to this. At this point, it might be impossible for anybody who seems to be economically successful to avoid being demonized in this fashion.

Posted by: joncelli at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (RD7QR)

345 All your shit are belong to us.

Posted by: The Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (NIZHJ)

346 We got routed, but it is amazing the 30 out of 50 States have Republican Governors

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (t4nf+)

347 You have it. Give Obama everything he wants. We need to crash this bitch and make it hurt.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (R9579)


This argument (with which I totally agree) reminds me of what a complete, total asshole of a father I suddenly became when I made my kids pay off their own new credit cards.

I now have very financially responsible adult children who are really glad I did that, still think I'm an asshole frequently because I did.

Ponder that for a candidate running for (re-)election

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (Qxe/p)

348 305 3-5% voter fraud, bank it.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (3Y7RV)

I usually shy away from conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. Something just doesn't smell right about the election results.

But I'm at a point where I don't care anymore and it's probably not useful to pursue it.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (6zgse)

349 Purist conservatives are like idiot hipsters who can't like a band
that's popular. They believe that a group with any kind of a following
can't be a good band, just as show-off social conservatives consider it a
mark of integrity that their candidates -- Akin, Mourdock, Sharron
Angle, Christine O'Donnell -- take wildly unpopular positions and lose
elections.

-------

This is so fucking stupid it's mind-numbing. Since when did "purists" elect Akin?

And how did the GOP "mainstream" do? Berg? Thompson? Mack? Romney? Yea, how'd that fucking work out, Ann? She's insufferable.

Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (arczc)

350 I hope the poor enjoy being poor, because they just voted for four more years of crushing deprivation.
========

"Obama sure must love the poor- 'cause he made so many of them."

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (RSqz2)

351 Posted by: mnm at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (6mijs)
__
Not true. Mitt teared up after Ann gave the speech at the convention. If you watched his later speeches, he began to warm to the crowd, I guess he felt more confidence after the first debate and his poll numbers grew with the attendance at his events. By last week his interaction with those at his rallys was very "human" and approachable. Even after the second debate, an OHIO focus group gave him the win. The one lady even said:
"Our next president."
Mitt was connecting with the peeps but he couldn't control the weather and undecideds who were moved by pictures of him hugging a lady at a storm shelter and looking serious in the Situation Room.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (jm/9g)

352 313 All this is true, but unfortunately our television-obsessed culture now holds to the idea that acting like you care is the same as proving that you do.

***

When you actually care about something your words and actions prove it, no extra effort required.

Posted by: mnm at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (6mijs)

353 343 meremortal,

B/C they can't steal it all quick and you can keep bees, hunt on the land and make smoked meat, and work on your fieldcraft on your own land. The key is to not look wealthy at all. Let your property look ran down in every non functional way possible.

Hide your wealth.

Let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (LRFds)

354
"And Reagan... that man choked up and nearly cried on national television when the space shuttle exploded. He loved the American people more than life, even the leftists knew that."
Exactly. The line from High Flight (even though no one knew it was from beautiful poem) was topic #1 at work for weeks afterwards.

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 12:25 PM (LwGY+)

355 "Cares about people like me."

Are you in a union? Are you gay? Are you a minority? Are you a single woman?

Those the Four Pillars of the Democrat Party, accoriding to Al Gore's 2000 campaiagn manager.

If you are not in that group, and you voted for Obama, there's not much to tell you.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:25 PM (9KqcB)

356 230 We need to nominate someone who grew up in poverty and worked their way through college as a garbage man.

Right there, that takes away 50% of the attacks that can be made against them.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (/i+eU)
________
We'll find something. And people will believe it.

Trust us, we're professionals.

Posted by: The MSM at November 08, 2012 12:25 PM (NWLVJ)

357 We need to nominate someone who grew up in poverty and worked their way through college as a garbage man.Right there, that takes away 50% of the attacks that can be made against them.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:11 PM (/i+eU)

Not really. John Boehner (just to use an example) grew up poor as shit. But he's still just a rich white republican to the left.
Posted by: yinzer at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (/Mla1)

I think unfortunately part of the problem is because Obama is black, they equate being black with being poor.

How many low info voters know that Obama grew up in a well off family just like Romney.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 12:25 PM (i3OIF)

358 War on Waitresses baby!

No more tipping!

Young, single women want Obama so bad they can have "him" take care of them.

"Julia" Lives!

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 08, 2012 12:25 PM (sRIFP)

359 Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (e1eKc)

Add to that 13 million less voters.... that there should be about 6 million MORE voters than 4 years ago (due to population increase, and legal immigrants becoming citizens)....

Turnout as a percentage of the eligable electorate was WAY down.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 12:25 PM (lZBBB)

360 It never occurs to these brain damaged idiots that obama has his own family members in public housing.

But he cares about "them."

Posted by: George Patton at November 08, 2012 12:25 PM (qBLA2)

361 "who were moved by pictures of him Preznit Revenge..."

fixed

(hope it worked this time)

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (jm/9g)

362 #310, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. You don't get an 81-18 split by giving away free shit. You get it by making the other guy look like a Richie Rich douchebag. That's what the whole Seamus on the Roof thing was about, it's what the 47% video was about, and it's what the Bain Capital ads were about.


Suburban soccer moms do not get free shit from the government. They do not want free shit from the government. But I guarantee you a hell of a lot of them think Barack Obama cares about them more than Mitt Romney.


Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (qe2/V)

363 Are you in a union? Are you gay? Are you a minority? Are you a single woman?


Damn, what a great life I would have if I was a black, lesbian electrician.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (3Y7RV)

364 I honestly don't think there's a way to save the country. I don't want to be so negative, but I don't know what we can do. Libs don't seem to care at all or even be aware of the coming reckoning. They honestly think there's no problems. Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, etc... aren't going to be bankrupt, they ARE bankrupt now. There is NO MONEY for any of this. As I mentioned in another thread, our choice is now between Zimbabwe and Greece. Hyperinflation or austerity. The American public won't stand for austerity - neither party will support it regardless of what lip service is paid by Republicans. How many Republicans would actually give up their entitlements - very few. They are pigs at the trough like the Dems, but at least the Dems are honest about it. They are grifters and proclaim it loudly. Many on our side are just as bad, and then lie to fiscal cons about it.

I have never felt this way after an election. I really don't know what to do. If you can't win in this environment, there is no way to win. Are there any adults anymore or is everything some game of appealing to morons? We are fucked.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (pLTLS)

365 Fuck it. Give the left what they want fiscally. Hell, give 'em even more. Let 'em crash this bitch but good. Let it burn.

Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (4I3Uo)


----
I concur...... but you HAVE to make it crystal THIS IS OBAMAS PLAN.... these are HIS ideas, we HEARD the electorate and are listening to the President. Name the Bills After Obama.
Of course the economy is going to crater.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (yzX2R)

366 I absolutely love fucking Democrats over and wasting their money.
It's really the most appropriate thing I think of given those
freeloading little bastards proclivity for entitlement.


Do tell!

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (GQ8sn)

367 >>>Barack Obama is a con artist, and a pretty good one, it turns out. And, until we can change the underlying facts and return Federalism to its rightful place in our Government, we have to play the same game.

The only way I can see us getting to that place is a completely royal fuckup on the part of the Obama Administration.

I'm not talking about "small" fuckups like killing hundreds of Mexicans, two border patrol agents, hundreds of American servicemembers in Afghanistan, or four Americans in Benghazi. I'm talking about certain fuckin' economic doom, or a foreign policy failure on the level of Iraq.

That's what it's going to take to damage the Democratic brand as badly as the Republican one has been damaged.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (UodtB)

368 Care about me is a combination of 1) give me free stuff and 2) will pass
laws protecting me from my own stupidity and 3) will make someone else
pay for everything and 4) fake act like I really care about you.


All you really need is #4. If you have that, even those who disagree with positions you've clearly stated will still believe you share their values. They'll believe it because they want to believe it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (SY2Kh)

369
"3053-5% voter fraud, bank it."


How come nobody is looking into this. The "we were wrong about the electorate" doesn't really add up, and eyewitness accounts make it sounfd like votes are missing.

Also, why isn't there more talk about why Rs didn't show up? Where did they go in 2 years? There were supposed to be more of them, how could they have gotten that wrong? Something is not right.

Maybe Romney's organization just sucked at GOTV, despite the hype.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:27 PM (Mxt9o)

370 The fact that the worst president in history won in the midst of a smoldering economy should speak volumes. IT DIDN'T MATTER.

What did matter is that *he cared*.

Do you really think conservatism can be explained in a caring way to today's electorate, to the point that it will convince them to vote against Santa Claus?

Bring the pain. It's the only way they will learn.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 12:27 PM (zpqa2)

371 Mitt was connecting with the peeps but he couldn't control the weather and undecideds who were moved by pictures of him hugging a lady at a storm shelter and looking serious in the Situation Room.
Posted by: kallisto

***

First impressions are everything. He saved this "emotion" for the last month of the campaign. Up until then he was a robot and according to Ace's stats, 88% of people knew who they were voting for at the start of the final month.

Posted by: mnm at November 08, 2012 12:27 PM (6mijs)

372 348 Blacksheep,

EXACTLY YOU GET IT.

In Louisiana my boss did the same thing with his wrecking/auto business.

Make yourself bulletproof to downturns and use your right of association and commerce to hurt them.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:27 PM (LRFds)

373 This is stoopid. The man faked he cared and they bought it. So we should do the same?

Gimme a break.



Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (GGCsk)


It was the old Slick Willie, I feel your pain shit. But Barry never once came off as really convincing on any of the snake oil sales shit the way Slick did. Barry is such a cold heart prick there's no way people can think he cares about you. It must mean the free shit army stuff

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 12:27 PM (1Jaio)

374
Romney had his 47% gaffe. Obama said bitter people cling to guns and religion an and hate outsiders.

No, after that Obama remark remember. He gave everyone a speech on how racist we all are. After he sat in a racist church for 20 years. What a douche.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 08, 2012 12:27 PM (aA0io)

375 Obama = Vote for Revenge

Business Owners = Fire for Revenge

Make them feel for their stupidity!

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 08, 2012 12:27 PM (sRIFP)

376 Caring about the people you lead is Leadership 101.

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2012 12:28 PM (qRuw3)

377 I just spoke with an Obama voter this morning and this is exactly what he said when I asked him why.

Posted by: Beth at November 08, 2012 12:28 PM (leaxe)

378 #338 Exactly, rockmom. Outside of you, me, and a handful of blogger hanger ons, who knew any of that?

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 12:28 PM (LwGY+)

379 Well at least there is one good thing to come out of this... Michelle is free to VACATION! I didn't say it was good for us..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 12:28 PM (9+ccr)

380 >>>I have never felt this way after an election. I really don't know what to do. If you can't win in this environment, there is no way to win. Are there any adults anymore or is everything some game of appealing to morons? We are fucked.
Posted by: Witchfinder at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (pLTLS)

Here is the thing, though. Democratic socialism is a new thing.

For all the talk floating about by either side, WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT LIES ON THE OTHER SIDE. Europe, the poster child for socialism, is still scraping by somehow. Nobody sees anything REALLY out of the ordinary. The shit has, in fact, not hit the fan.

When it does, maybe we can have a meaningful conversation with the idiot 50% of America.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:28 PM (UodtB)

381 If I owned a business I wouldn't hire anyone between the ages of 18-29. Any Democrat that is.

Posted by: America Fuck Yeah! at November 08, 2012 12:28 PM (+iqDb)

382 368 RockMom,

caring about what retarded women in the suburbs think?

Fresh out.

Let it burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (LRFds)

383 HOW can a limited-government leader "care about people like you" if their principle says they cannot throw taxpayers services your way?

They COULD demonstrate "caring" by vowing to keep your taxes as low as possible, but nearly half the nation does not pay federal income taxes.

How do you demonstrate "caring" when the only way to demonstrate it is to advocate what your opponent advocates?

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (9KqcB)

384 I've called the love affair with amnesty and importing the rest of the world here wholesale to be an act of Vichy governance.

What is the point?

Oh, and why was this not a wedge issue during the election if it was going to hang over our asses the entire time?

I hate (even though Romney won if not for voter fraud...directed, organized voter fraud) that Romney basically refused to put wedge issues on the table.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (QxSug)

385
I was born in Queens, NY. Whoda thunk I'd grow up to be a modern Secessionist.

Weird.

Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (4I3Uo)

386 343 meremortal,

B/C they can't steal it all quick and you can keep bees, hunt on the land and make smoked meat, and work on your fieldcraft on your own land. The key is to not look wealthy at all. Let your property look ran down in every non functional way possible.

Hide your wealth.

Let it burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (LRFds)YES. I learned this from my father. He was quite successful but always drove middle class type cars and lived below his means. When I asked why he didn't have a fancier car, he said, "I don't want to attract attention." that was in the '70s. He was ahead of his time, and I benefited greatly from his ideas.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (1Y+hH)

387 Reagan was ultimately successful because you still had most of the WW II generation around to vote for him. By the 1990s, they started dying off, and the real change in demographics start and we ended up with BJ Clinton. Yeah, we had 8 years of Bush 2, but he was no Reagan Republican by any stretch. And now this. BHO? And elected TWICE?Tuesday night only proved that this Republic is done. I ceased being an American that night as well, because it's all "feelings" and "give me free shit" now and damn the consequences. The end will not be pretty, and I hope I don't live to see it. Some of you may be around afterwards to pick up the pieces. I don't envy you the job.
Serveral people here have put their fingers on the root causes. The dumbing down of the populace. The balkanization of the culture; that is, let any swinging you-name-it come here yet let them refuse to integrate into the American culture. Themedia becoming nothing more than a Ministry of Propaganda that would make Goebbels proud. It being OK to vote themselvs bread and circuses from the public treasury. And Barack Obama? He with a now-demonstrated record of incompetence; wholly lacking in any kind of skills, administrative or otherwise,or any other acheivement for that matter. Someone who is really nothing more than a narcissistic Marxist sockpuppet, who literallycame out of nowhere with almost no history or background that can be verified or examined, just missing being the perfect Manchurian Candidate, who hates this country and is doing everything he can to bring it down? And what passes for an electorate has now voted him in. Twice. And the country is literally on the verge going over a cliff, where all the free shit will stop, completely and at once, with all the blood on the streets that will entail. For all of you who voted for this cocksucker, enjoy the ride, bitches. You earned it.

Posted by: Cave Bear at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (WmZrs)

388 Which of these did the media cover?"
Which one did the GOP pick up run with?

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (LwGY+)

Media.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (R9579)

389 So basically we as conservative Republicans should lie our asses off and say anything to the freaken stupid electorate to get elected and then rule as we like. OK sounds like a plan to me. It's what the Dems do anyway

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (79ueO)

390 I donated your tip to save the lesbian whales. Suck it.

Posted by: The Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (NIZHJ)

391 And you will find that many, many conservatives get their revenue stream either directly, or by only one degree of separation indirectly, from the U.S. government. And a whole bunch of them are going to find this out January.

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (qRuw3)

392 For all the talk floating about by either side, WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT LIES ON THE OTHER SIDE. Europe, the poster child for socialism, is still scraping by somehow. Nobody sees anything REALLY out of the ordinary. The shit has, in fact, not hit the fan.

-------

Only because we've remained strong and helped them limp along. Don't worry, when we start to totally fail, the world goes with us.

Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (arczc)

393 That's what it's going to take to damage the Democratic brand as badly as the Republican one has been damaged.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (UodtB)

Yeah, he needs a big one, probably the economy. I am not so sure that it will fall into that bad of disrepair that can't be kicked down the road with another 3 trillion of stimulus. I kind of think the debt issue might be dormant right now, if the economy gets bad fast and he is still spending trillions it might come to life again.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (NzBQO)

394 31 Free Shit and skin color. That is all.
----------------------------------

That's it.

Issues no longer win elections in America.

Posted by: America Fuck Yeah! at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (+iqDb)

395 Forgot to add: Let It Burn!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (AZB/i)

396 For all the talk floating about by either side, WE
HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT LIES ON THE OTHER SIDE. Europe, the poster child for
socialism, is still scraping by somehow. Nobody sees anything REALLY
out of the ordinary. The shit has, in fact, not hit the fan.



When it does, maybe we can have a meaningful conversation with the idiot 50% of America.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:28 PM

Yeah. Your friends come back from their European vacation and talk about how well socialism works. They haven't seen it on a day-to-day basis, they just see quaint towns and trains running on time. So socialism must be okay after all, right? So we can do it too. What could go wrong?

Posted by: joncelli at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (RD7QR)

397
>> So we have to get down to the minutia of what motivates everyone and the left just gets to yell 'VAGINAS'?
Again.....the electorate is fuckin' stupid.
Yes. It needed rebuttal. Even though it's stupid, it was a factor.
We can't ignore negative attacks because they are dumb. We can flip them, "This is the stupidest claim my opponent has made to date, and insulting to women. I have no intention of banning contraceptives or abortion on demand, as if a President even has the power to do that. It's absurd."

See?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 08, 2012 12:31 PM (WvXvd)

398 Drew, I don't get how you square this post with the previous one. The "cares about people like me" question has nothing to do with any amount of demographics, it has solely to do with PR, and while you can credit the Obama campaign and its PACs, the simplest fact is the MEDIA has perpetuated that myth. There is no way to change the narrative that liberals "care more" while they simultaneously destroy the things that make your life better.

The notion that Obamacare is good because liberals "care" enough to expand health care to 10% of the population is complete horseshit and you and I and everyone with half a brain knows it. You cannot reduce costs without rationing care, and the only way the other 90% of people whose health care is and will continue to degrade don't think that way is because the media doesn't want them to. Republicans can cast their message however they like, but when the opposition beats back against that message with equal fervor, the ultimate deciding vote is cast by the allegedly unbiased, objective media that we know is neither of those things.

And, frankly, there is no way to craft a message strong enough to overcome the opposition message AND the perceived arbiter of information coming down on the side of the opposition.

THAT is the problem we face. The only way forward is THROUGH the media. Like Sherman THROUGH Georgia.

Posted by: deadrody at November 08, 2012 12:31 PM (DkAJe)

399 Posted by: NotCoach at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (jU7Af)

Au contraire, I think Romney was the best candidate to go against the filthy Obama campaign, being all squeaky clean.

Everything they threw at him was a complete joke, but they still one due to our apparently intellectually-challenged electorate who will take someone who "cares" over someone they deem as a better leader and who shares their values and has a vision for the future. How do you fix that brand of stupid???

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 12:31 PM (6zgse)

400

Red Dawn was my favorite movie as a young teen. I assumed
growing up that I would be fighting against Marxist overlords as an adult.
Turns out I was right.

Posted by: jones at November 08, 2012 12:31 PM (+MQie)

401 This is stoopid. The man faked he cared and they bought it. So we should do the same?
Gimme a break.
Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 12:17 PM (GGCsk)


Yes. If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid. (Murphy's Laws of Combat)

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 12:31 PM (SY2Kh)

402 I actually had an obamanite say to me, give him a chance! WTF was the last 4 years?

Posted by: real joe at November 08, 2012 12:31 PM (v4775)

403 hey remember a jillion years ago when we thought a
Rep gov in Jersey might help turn the state red the next Presidential
election?

good times, good times


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 12:18 PM


I never had that delusion. I lived here my whole life and worked all over the state. The stupid runs really strong here. Christie won only because the dude before him was a corrupt piece of shit that took over for yet another idiot that got caught turning fag tricks at the rest areas on the turnpike.

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 12:31 PM (FMbng)

404
the left can run with a total incompent dick, islam loving, marxist wanna be dictator, but we have to have this super human perfectly articulate, uber conservative but tolerant of amnesty and gay marriage and knows how to sell it on HBO and the Daily Show to the hipsters.
forget it, it's over, we lost. we can continue to fight but this country is going to ram the iceberg and sink just like the titanic.

Posted by: exceller at November 08, 2012 12:31 PM (ROGMG)

405
"373 Barack Obama is a con artist, and a pretty good one, it turns out. And, until we can change the underlying facts and return Federalism to its rightful place in our Government, we have to play the same game.

The only way I can see us getting to that place is a completely royal fuckup on the part of the Obama Administration...."


8% unemployment (that's really much higher), endless financial crises, and the Recovery That Wasn't isn't good enough for you? You're not getting it - the voters DIDN'T CARE. And that was mostlybecause the media coated the s**t sandwich with candy, and called it skittles.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:32 PM (Mxt9o)

406 Legal Insurrection ‏@LegInsurrection

Media smears Anti-Obama student protest as “Race Riot”

http://shar.es/GrrWp

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 12:32 PM (8sCoq)

407 For not the first time in my adult life, I'm wondering if the adults in my country are adults.

Posted by: Bud Norton at November 08, 2012 12:32 PM (6cOMd)

408 This country is screwed, because the media won't report the news anymore. We'll all watch America go down the tubes, and in 10 years they'll still be blaming George Bush - some because they're stupid, and others because they're pathological liars.

Posted by: disa at November 08, 2012 12:32 PM (Zfbfs)

409
People, it's too late to worry about saving the country. The die is cast. If you try to save everything you will save nothing. You must save yourselves and those close to you.

Things will not really turn around until we go through a communist-style financial and social collapse.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 12:32 PM (1Y+hH)

410 The beatings will continue until morale improves. Four more years.

Posted by: The Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 12:32 PM (NIZHJ)

411
>>these numbers do not correspond to reality.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (QxSug)

That was my first, second, and current response.What is this reflexive "we must have done something wrong" when we know goddam well intuitively, that our enemies never have this reaction, while they intentionally DO EVERYTHING WRONG?The rot ain't been contained in Denmark folks.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 08, 2012 12:33 PM (aZ6ew)

412 America no longer has the money to defend Europe, or Japan. I understand why we did so back at the end of WWII, but that was 60 years ago and times have changed.

Let Europe defend Europe. Let them cough up the cash to defend themselves. Same with Japan, there's a big storm brewing between Japan and China about those islands they both claim. Do we want to be in the middle of that? No.

Why we spend trillions of dollars defending people who hate us (the Europeans not the Japanese) I don't understand.

Let the rest of the world deal with its choices, the same as Americans will have to live with its choices for the next 4 years.



Posted by: Boots at November 08, 2012 12:33 PM (neKzn)

413 So what the hell are the democrats going to do for 2016????

I am pretty sure they will be pushing Julian Castro - but he will only be 42 in 2016....plus he will only have been a mayor - but the hispanics will be voting for Santa Claus as well.....

Maybe the Republicans need to up the ante by giving free stuff to white citizens....LOL

Posted by: izoneguy at November 08, 2012 12:33 PM (oKH8p)

414 397 Dave,

No it's inarguable Dave I am a "freeloader" since after all my wife is an E-7 in the US Army.

Yup we don't do a damn thing for our ~57,000 a year in pay/benefits.

Not like those selfless heroic civil servants and 118,000 a year teachers.

Let me tell you where I'm at about "freeloaders on the govt dime."

I HOPE she gets fired I'll give my son to my foster brother and live as lean as I possible can.

Next time there's a war let Tom Daschle send his wife and children.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:33 PM (LRFds)

415
I hope the poor enjoy being poor
Posted by: Blacksheep




Well, yeah -- probably.

Because in America there's the Golden EBT, free housing, eternal education and "job training", and you don't have to work for it. And if you do work, earned income credit.

And there's more to come. How about some reparations?


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 12:33 PM (kdS6q)

416 Drew, please stop referring to yourself as a conservative. It's an insult to conservatives.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at November 08, 2012 12:33 PM (4zKCA)

417 3 Obama understands vaginas.

Obama IS a vagina - and a smelly one at that!!!!

Posted by: izoneguy at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (oKH8p)

418 That chart deciphered: people are stupid.

I'm not trying to be mean or snarky. You put two resumes next to each other and pick the one with the best font, not the best content? Stupid.

I'm a head election judge in my precinct. We processed 2,475 voters. I could kill half of them by passing out chewing gum. The general population of America is. Just. Not. Smart.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (X/+QT)

419 @368 - and that's the part that amazes me.

Barack Obama is the enemy of middle-class working suburbia. He wants to unwind everything that we've been working for since 1945.

Here's an interesting little piece, though:

http://scoamf.us/3v

As NumbersMuncher tweeted earlier, this campaign is the flipside of 2004 in another respect: early ads work. Obama got in the first blow, and it more or less stuck.

Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (o+SC1)

420 I'm just not sure what to say about the chart. Obama's policies that have enacted this hell we now live in clearly show he does NOT care. If him telling people he does care, despite all the contrary evidence, is enough for those people to believe it, then we are fucked either way.

Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (arczc)

421

I’ve read a dozen posts about how we have to take down the
msm. I’ve read zero with suggestions about how to do that.

Posted by: jones at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (+MQie)

422 418 Boots,

Fuck it cut 100% of the DoD budget that'll fix the problem.

ALL the crisis is DoD spending.

Let it burn I quit.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (LRFds)

423
Obama = Vote for Revenge



Business Owners = Fire for Revenge



Make them feel for their stupidity!

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 08, 2012 12:27 PM (sRIFP)


I wrote that yesterday. Tell anyone who voted for Barry that because of Obamacare costs are going to skyrocket and the company can't afford to pay for Obamacare and the only solution is layoffs. If not for Obamacare you'd still have a job. I'm sure that you'll be glad to know that even though you'll be unemployed people now have healthcare coverage. And every company we know is making layoffs because of Obamacare costs. Best of luck with your job search

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (1Jaio)

424
Message: I Care. - GHWBush

Which is why I will never be a politician because my message would be -

Quit your bellyachin' NancyPants. Nobody owes you anything.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (PHb2k)

425 427 Jones,

You hire plumbers.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (LRFds)

426 I'm bummed. Better go and try to find something positive to do. In my 63 years on this Earth I have never been more pessimistic . Keep up the Faith rons/ettes...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (9+ccr)

427 The point is valid, however that the very notion that a politician "should care", or that they don't by default is another media creation. Again, created by the liberal media who knows they hold the cards in creating the notion that liberals "care more".

Both ideas are complete bullshit.

Posted by: deadrody at November 08, 2012 12:35 PM (DkAJe)

428 Surely the MSM has an exhaust port?

Posted by: The Free Shit Mafia at November 08, 2012 12:35 PM (NIZHJ)

429 > Telling voters, "Hey idiots, you're voting for the wrong reasons" is not going to carry the day.

Well, a start would be to stop calling commenters on this site idiots (and worse).

My favorite: "don't let the door hit you on the way out."

It's like Team R has some kind of voter surplus and can afford to thin the herd, do a little "purity" purging.

In my (limited) experience, Socons, those supposed bastions of morality, are the worst offenders.

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 12:35 PM (LmEvg)

430 I'm not talking about "small" fuckups like killing hundreds of Mexicans, two border patrol agents, hundreds of American servicemembers in Afghanistan, or four Americans in Benghazi. I'm talking about certain fuckin' economic doom, or a foreign policy failure on the level of Iraq.

That's what it's going to take to damage the Democratic brand as badly as the Republican one has been damaged.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (UodtB)
==================

You mean like when an Iranian nuclear device detonates aboard a container ship in New York harbor?

Because the probability of that happening is infinitely higher today than it was three days ago.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (RSqz2)

431 **417
>>these numbers do not correspond to reality.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (QxSug)

That was my first, second, and current response.What is this reflexive "we must have done something wrong" when we know goddam well intuitively, that our enemies never have this reaction, while they intentionally DO EVERYTHING WRONG?The rot ain't been contained in Denmark folks.**

I think they went all in this time, they targeted every possible swing GOP Senator and celebs like Mia Love.

The polling places were packed in VA with 3 hour lines. The data are rolling in, votes are missing, and way too many union thugs voted.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (QxSug)

432 Socialism doesn't kill you quickly, it's death by a thousand cuts and people really don't see the long term. The truth is the free market is sooo powerful it can actually outlast govt. interference, it can even outlast govt. collapse.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (NzBQO)

433 That chart shows the death of America.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (P7hip)

434 I know the dems don't like Israel but really i had
no idea of the hatred that was in the black community for Israel. Is
this a result of Calypso Louie? I don't get it. What are the chances of
Israel dropping a package on Iran now that TFG won. Posted by: osu at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM


This is an old, old story. I saw it when I lived in Da Hood back in the 70s, and knew it extended much farther back even then.

Da Jooos owned businesses in the ghetto that sold to poor blacks on credit. Black "leaders" (Big Al, Jesse, etc.) told the locals they were being victimized by the "Goldbergs." They agreed, looted and burned such businesses during the riots. This was happening before Farrakhan and his peeps came along.

As for Israel v. Iran: if hostilities happen now, the Anointed One will align us firmly with the Mad Mullahs. Israel will be toast. And too many U.S. Jews will solemnly say "oh, Israel deserved it" because they are cultural Jews, not those unenlightened, pesky pro-Israel religious Jews.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (yKUrR)

435 6 Every time that lip of his quivered, he got 100 independent voters and a few womens panties got a bit more moistened.

---------

I always assumed the wimmins liked Clinton because his nose looks like a penis.

Posted by: Anachronda needs MOAR CHOCOLATE at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (IrbU4)

436 but what exactly IS the new pitch?


We care.

Compassionate Conservatism.

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure why people were so down on that (as a pitch- in implementation it was terrible).

The point is we have to say we care. Over and over and over, we have to use that phrase "we care about you."

It's like in a marriage. Obviously you love your spouse, or you wouldn't have married them. One of the main things marriage counselors (I know a couple of them, actually) will tell you is that saying "I love you" several times a day will help a marriage.

To many men, this makes no sense Nevertheless it's true.

Well, to Conservatives, it doesn't make sense that we have to say, "We care about you. Your obstacles and misfortunes are of great concern to us." But we have to. And we can't say it flippantly, or dismissively. It has to sound sincere.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (/eBe8)

437 First Move: Destroy the MFM: Cancel your cable, get a tv antenna to pick up local channels if possible, cancel magazine and newspaper subscriptions, boycott prominent advertisers like State Farm, Progressive Insurance, etc



Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (Dll6b)

438 As conservatives we deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. The challenge is to change this reality, not bitch about it.

Who is the "me" in "Cares about people like me"...?

If you1. graduated high school,2. held off on having kids until you were married, and 3. work, the GOP cares about you. Those also happen to be the three easy steps to avoiding poverty in America. Really. It is almost impossible to be poor if you live thoseThree Easy Steps.

If that's you, the Right cares about you. The Democrat base does not follow those three steps, with expected results.

If the GOP does acknowledge the Three Easy Steps -- which plenty of Latino families and potential voters follow - it will lose the "caring" debate. Because we have beendumb enough to let the Left define "caring" for the last half-century.Dumb.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (9KqcB)

439 Damn, what a great life I would have if I was a black, lesbian electrician.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (3Y7RV)
Well it ain't over yet. Today with plastic surgery, hormone therapy and connections with the local electrician union your dream can become a reality. Hell I bet Obama care will pay for your "transition".

Posted by: Long Island at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (EsJl1)

440 343 Interesting, but why farmland? After Kelo, is any land really safe?I would think that something that you can't pick up and move wouldbe an easy target for the second-handers.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (Mxt9o)

Nothing is safe now. Farmland in the sticks is closest to being safe. I'm at my stage 1 retreat now, in a small rural town.I'll move to my second retreat in the sticks when the time comes.You must prepare to be self-sufficient, which requires the ability to raise food.It's all about staying a step ahead of the game.People with limited resources should join together and purchase retreats.

At some point, (because of Kelo), you WILL have to decide, "Is this the hill I die on"and go all Branch Davidian on them.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (GFM2b)

441 Run Allen West. Straight talk - people are sick of politics. Voter turnout is down, election results ratings are down.

And if they think Allen West doesn't care about them, well then they are racists.

I'm serious - I think the "well he lost this house race so no way". People are sick of career politicians. When Allen West talks - you listen.

Posted by: realityman at November 08, 2012 12:37 PM (9AQdP)

442 Me too Donna. More like despondent. I don't recognize the Country I was born in and love.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 12:37 PM (Vk6ZI)

443 I'm sticking with King George! He cares about me!

Posted by: Some pre-Revolutionary dude at November 08, 2012 12:37 PM (lTVJy)

444 430 Nighthawk,

and the container ship is reason 2 why I say "get a little land out in the country."

Dad asked me why i was so grim but calm about the election results.

I said "I live within 32 miles of a major metro area."

he got it at once.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:37 PM (LRFds)

445 As NumbersMuncher tweeted earlier, this campaign is the flipside of 2004 in another respect: early ads work. Obama got in the first blow, and it more or less stuck.
Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (o+SC1)

________________________________

I'm thinking that has to be said.

Commenters here at the HQ in Florida are saying that.

They also say that the Colin Powell ad was run a hell of a lot.

I think there was a way to directly respond to that Colin Powell ad--but I don't think it was addressed.

Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2012 12:37 PM (r2PLg)

446 http://tinyurl.com/c7u5xda (world socialist web site)


"Citing confidential sources, the cable described how the upper echelon
divided up the “economic pie” in the Peoples Republic of China (PRC):
“It was ‘well known,’ xxxxx stated, that former Premier Li Peng and his
family controlled all electric power interests; PBSC member and security
czar Zhou Yongkang and associates controlled the oil interests; the
late former top leader Chen Yun’s family controlled most of the PRC’s
banking sector; PBSC member and Chinese People’s Political Consultative
Conference Chairman Jia Qinglin was the main interest behind major
Beijing real estate developments; Hu Jintao’s son-in-law ran Sina.com;
and Wen Jiabao’s wife controlled China’s precious gems sector.”"


Coming soon to a government near you.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 08, 2012 12:37 PM (rzTDZ)

447
"408I actually had an obamanite say to me, give him a chance! WTF was the last 4 years?"

I actually had one give my friend an attitude about being unemployed. Then he started to try to pick a fight with me. I had suggested to my friend that we should thank the guy, because he had pretty much explained how this disaster happened. He didn't like it.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:37 PM (Mxt9o)

448 **432 Socialism doesn't kill you quickly, it's death by a thousand cuts and people really don't see the long term. The truth is the free market is sooo powerful it can actually outlast govt. interference, it can even outlast govt. collapse. **

True dat, as I warned a while back, FDR won reelection 3 times through Great Depression 1.0.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:38 PM (QxSug)

449 I don't have to address the question of tipping waitresses. I'm not going to any restaurants.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 12:38 PM (IoNBC)

450 It
will be painful but conservatives must stop their children from joining the
military. Force Obama to draft hipsters if he wants to send troops somewhere.

Posted by: jones at November 08, 2012 12:38 PM (+MQie)

451 Free Shit and skin color. That is all.

Heather Radish commented that the Free Shit Army won the election for Obama, with help from the Free Shit For You With Other People's Money Army. I fear she has it right.

Ben Franklin saw it, too, over 200 years ago. Common, shot-term greed.

Posted by: Retread at November 08, 2012 12:38 PM (zxitI)

452 Interesting article by Sean Trende. Overall, had whites showed up as in 2004, the demographic shift is negligible.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (t06LC)

453 So basically we as conservative Republicans should lie our asses off and say anything to the freaken stupid electorate to get elected and then rule as we like. OK sounds like a plan to me. It's what the Dems do anyway

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 12:30 PM (79ueO)
================

"Constructive Mendacity"- I like it!

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (RSqz2)

454
I'll bet a significant portion of those who felt Romney didn't care "about people like me" were socons.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (tOkJB)

455 We can talk all we want about Obama voters--but it was Republicans that did not show up nationally.

I am still looking at the county by county turn out in Florida--but haven't been able to compare that to 2004 yet.

Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (r2PLg)

456 440 RickB223,

Yup they need time to kelo your land, and if you have a dirt road looking like you live in a shanty they have a lot of other people to hit before you.

There is no "safety" really there is "being low on the list."

In Soviet Russia the list got lethal down to "does he own any farm tools."

They had killed a lot to get to the Kulaks though.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (LRFds)

457
It doesn't matter whether there is anything real to attack or not. They will invent something.

Just
look at that storm. Under Bush, they literally blamed him for the
weather. Under President I'll-Stop-The-Oceans-From-Rising, it's somebody
else's fault.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (Mxt9o)

Media.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (R9579)

458 As conservatives we deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. The challenge is to change this reality, not bitch about it.

Those of us in the ABR camp prior the to the nomination often brought up Romney's robotic detachment as one of the reasons he would lose.

He redefined himself a bit toward the end there. But he always sucked ass on the "cares about people like me" metric, especially before he was nominated when he was making comments like "I like to fire people" on camera.

Posted by: entropy at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (TULs6)

459 I’ve read zero with suggestions about how to do that.

There is only two ways this is going to happen.....hit them on their pocketbooks or buy them.

You can stop watching the media, buying left wing newspapers, etc. Sadly if you are not a Neilson family, it probably has little impact. So you have to boycott their advertisers and let them know why you are doing it.

The other alternative is to buy them. NBC/MSNBC is owned by Comcast. ABC is owned by Disney. CBS, I believe is still it own going concern as is the NYTimes. If enough conservatives would acquire shares of these companies and start raising hell, it may....may have an impact.

So, to the Koch brothers....stop giving cash to Karl Rove....start acquiring a lot of Comcast shares. (Of course, Eric Holder would probably hold your purcahse on some phony baloney anti-trust matter).

As for locally, every local station has to renew the FCC license every 3 years or so. Bitch to the FCC about its programing, using the magic words "not serving the public interest". It probably won't stop...but it may send the message that you are willing to screw with their very livelihood over their politics.

Again...no more Mr/Mrs. Nice Person.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (OWjjx)

460 That is....If the GOP does NOT acknowledge the Three Easy Steps...

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (9KqcB)

461 Chris Christie is in for a hell of a fight in NJ next election. If he loses (R) support because of his beach-side photo-op/love fest I just looked at the numbers. 0bama won by 500,000 votes ~60/40. Even the Dominican Republic prostitute-non-payer Menendez won by almost 500,000.

The House split evenly. I suspect he just term-limited himself.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (feFL6)

462 Guys, even George H.W. Bush managed to humanize himself when he ran for President. He didn't like it, but Lee Atwater told him he had to relate to ordinary people or he would lose. So he put on the cowboy boots, ate the pork rinds, got the country music stars out on the campaign trail with him, said "Read My Lips!" in his convention speech.


I can only imagine what Atwater would have done with Paul Ryan. He would have had him in front of the Lincoln Memorial doing laps up and down the steps. He would have "leaked" all kinds of sexy shirtless photos. He would have had him at every Bass Pro Shop and Cabela's in the country. He would have had him out playing mini-golf with his kids and had 100 reporters following them on trick-or-treat night.


This is not pandering, it's Politics 101, but the idiots who ran this campaign never took the class.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (qe2/V)

463 This is embarrass. Is no one going to tell Drewie what that "21%" means?

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 12:40 PM (i8u8P)

464 >>>Yeah. Your friends come back from their European vacation and talk about how well socialism works. They haven't seen it on a day-to-day basis, they just see quaint towns and trains running on time. So socialism must be okay after all, right? So we can do it too. What could go wrong?

Friends on European vacation, fuck that. I have friends who've toured Europe.

I ALSO KNOW REAL EUROPEANS. They don't see anything wrong with their countries, save for the one or two conservative diehards.

The shit has most definitely not connected with the fan, my friend. You'd know when Europeans (the white, entitled ones) start rioting or bread lining in the streets. You'd know when you start recalling photos from the Great Depression, for real.

Again: the reason a lot of morons think conservatives are, for lack of a better word, batshit crazy is because they don't see any evidence!! Sure, if you own a small business, you can see the writing on the wall. But your average iPod, iPad using jackass isn't going to see shit until rationing starts, or something like that.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:40 PM (UodtB)

465 I feel your pain.

...and your vaginas.

Posted by: Billy Bob Clinton at November 08, 2012 12:40 PM (vjyZP)

466 I always assumed the wimmins liked Clinton because his nose looks like a penis.

What hole is near a penis? What hole emitted Bill Clinton's words?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama committed treason at November 08, 2012 12:40 PM (AZGON)

467 didn't obama say he doesn't care about the suburbs? where'd that quote disappear to?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:40 PM (QxSug)

468 450 Jones,

Yup.

I'm 4th generation military my wife is 3d.

We're freeloading imperialist assholes?

Great thanks for the update I'm not gonna let my son join then.

Have fun.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:40 PM (LRFds)

469
There is no political way back to the America of 50's.

The road ahead is many years of continued decline. Prepare or suffer more than otherwise.The financial tripping pointwas passed beforethis election. Romney would have meant a delay, not a turnaround.

I'm sorry, butyou must either face reality or suffer greatly, and you may suffer greatly anyway. It's not a good time to be poor or middle class in America.

I've got relatives who have already decamped to the Bahamas. Start thinking about how you are going to survive in a third world situation.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (1Y+hH)

470 If I really wanted to be snarky, I might say 21% of voters are insecure people who want a govt. mommy. We aren't ever going to get a majority of those people.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (PHb2k)

471 Progressive Insurance is owned by a big leftie. That's why it's named Progressive.

Posted by: Boots at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (neKzn)

472 The last thing I want is to be some pale imitation of liberals. Fuck that shit. If that's what it takes, it's not worth it. My personal philosophy is to keep the government out of the bedroom and the boardroom but that's never going to happen.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (pLTLS)

473 Eric Holder might not stick around during second term, according to FOX.

Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (RIg+t)

474 Let it burn is all well and good, but plenty of us will burn with them. Some of us aren't that old, never made a ton of money in the first place and lost what little we did have over the past four years. I understand the impulse, guys, but plenty of us good guys are going to experience tremendous pain as well. I really would rather not see my family starve, and at age 35 it's a little late in the game to suddenly start learning how to make like Jeremiah Johnson.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (zmlwq)

475
Yes, the Oprahization of politics sucks but it's a reality. Telling
voters, "Hey idiots, you're voting for the wrong reasons" is not going
to carry the day.

As conservatives we deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it
to be. The challenge is to change this reality, not bitch about it


Or we have to actually give voters a choice. There's no effective difference between how Bush governed domestically and how Obama is now. 8 years of fiscal recklessness has given us 8 years more. Low interest rates, protecting the primary dealers at the expense of everything else, pumping the stock markets, growing the size and scope of federal government - really how did Bush differ significantly?

If we're going to have an examination of where we are, you can't pretend it's a blank slate.

Bush was a fiscal liberal. Obama is a fiscal liberal. Romney offered *nothing* different and he was stuck with the Bush's legacy.

Most importantly, the GOP has played janitor to the Democrats candy-store government, cleaning up just enough of the messes to keep the candy flowing.

If we are a party, if we are to stand for anything, it's time to make the choices stark and palpable. If this causes the whole thing to break down, well, the voters asked for it.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (SX6wc)

476 A friend of mine says he ran national Republican numbers from 2004 to now--

and you have to really drill down but it looks like--


about 4 million Republican voters dropped off the face of the map.

They are no longer voting--for whatever reason.

Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (r2PLg)

477 I'm showing my disapproval by not buying anything that isn't gas food or lodging related. Any charities calling for disaster relief will be told to call obama or ball washer christie.

Posted by: Les Nessmann at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (Kflw4)

478 Even if it's shown that there were a few million R votes that failed to show up for some reason, who cares? It's still too close. We would be deluding ourselves to write this loss off on "not turning out the base."

You want to pin your 2016 hopes on "doing better turning out the base?"

Please.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (zpqa2)

479 So Obama won because beta males and weak women need a mommy.

Turns out the "mom jeans" won him some votes after all.

Posted by: wooga at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (vjyZP)

480 > the Free Shit Army won the election for Obama

If that's the take away from the election, the GOP is screwed.

If you actually *ask* a Dem voter, will they say the reason they're voting is "to get free shit"? No.

They'll say that the government needs to provide a safety net. Now we can argue about whether or not the government should do that, but saying "they just want free shit" is a great way to just lose. It might make you feel good, but it won't change a damn thing.

Dem: Safety Net
R: You just want free shit!
Dem: Grow up

It's like the worst of juvenile Libertarian thought is infecting the party.

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 12:42 PM (LmEvg)

481 459 malamutt,

Chris Matthews is a drunk driver who never gets busted.

I watched him do it when i was in DC Metro.

Time to start bribing cops to do their job.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:42 PM (LRFds)

482 437 First Move: Destroy the MFM: Cancel your cable, get a tv antenna to pick up local channels if possible, cancel magazine and newspaper subscriptions, boycott prominent advertisers like State Farm, Progressive Insurance, etc



Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 08, 2012 12:36 PM (Dll6b)
_________
^This, This, THIS! The MSM controls the narrative, defines the candidates, referees the debates, and controls the fact-checking. Fox News, talk radio, and the blogosphere do NOT balance it. And it's not even close.

We need to launch a crusade to abso-fking-lutely destroy the MSM these next four years. What would Breitbart do?

Posted by: Dante at November 08, 2012 12:42 PM (NWLVJ)

483 What did matter is that *he cared*.

This is what kept getting FDR elected even as he drove the country into a deep depression with his idiotic economic policy. They even loved him when he kept piling on regressive excise taxes and increasing the net tax burden on the poor (by quite a bit too)

He "cared"...

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:42 PM (/i+eU)

484 We've put off civil war since the 1960's. We should have had it then. But I'm tired of "if repubs would only do this" or "if repubs would only do that" we'd win over the fucking leftists. THEY'RE FUCKING LEFTISTS! THEY WON'T BE WON OVER! The majority of the younger generations "educated" in the public indoctrination centersdon't want freedom.

Let's either secede and/or let the burning begin.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2012 12:42 PM (MvRmr)

485 I’ve read a dozen posts about how we have to take down the

msm. I’ve read zero with suggestions about how to do that.





Posted by: jones at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (+MQie)


I've been pondering for a while and the only options I've come up with:

(a) Leveraged buy out. Get a ton of conservative money and just buy the f'ers.

(b) Bribe the editors? (This is a relatively new and stupid idea...ha)

(c) Waste of time but...Look into bidding for the FCC license. The air-wave frequency ABC, Inc. uses is technically leased to them from the gov't. Who says ABC, Inc. gets that in perpetuity?

(d) Subtly subversive programs. Get a 60 Minutes style program to be so popular (add some Jersey Shore and Beiber and Drama and undercover) that the major networks want it. Then long-ball it by slowly chaning the content/memes/targets covered.

(e) All of the above against the NYT. It's privately owned basically but I'd like to see a 15-year strategy of 'investing' (ie, loss-leader) in a competitor and actively trying to bankrupt the NYT.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 08, 2012 12:42 PM (X/+QT)

486 473 Eric Holder might not stick around during second term, according to FOX.
Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (RIg+t)

Yeah, he's not near violent enough. Bring in Van Jones to punish the whiteys.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (3Y7RV)

487 America no longer has the money to defend Europe, or Japan. I understand why we did so back at the end of WWII, but that was 60 years ago and times have changed.

Let Europe defend Europe. Let them cough up the cash to defend themselves. Same with Japan, there's a big storm brewing between Japan and China about those islands they both claim. Do we want to be in the middle of that? No.

Why we spend trillions of dollars defending people who hate us (the Europeans not the Japanese) I don't understand.

Let the rest of the world deal with its choices, the same as Americans will have to live with its choices for the next 4 years.



Posted by: Boots at November 08, 2012 12:33 PM (neKzn)

Sounds very reasonable, but a Fortress America is NOT feasible in this day and age. Nor a particularly good idea.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (79ueO)

488
Barack Obama is a con artist, and a pretty good
one, it turns out. And, until we can change the underlying facts and
return Federalism to its rightful place in our Government, we have to
play the same game.


Posted by: AllenG at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (/eBe

You give him too much credit. It is the Media that keeps doing this to us. We need to destroy them.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (R9579)

489 Didn't obama say he doesn't care about the suburbs? where'd that quote disappear to?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:40 PM (QxSug)

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it's here..... safe and sound with us....

Posted by: F&F and Benghazi News Stories at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (yzX2R)

490

I'm not even close to having that much free shit to hand out and that's leaving out green jobs.

Posted by: Santa Clause at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (1PE/J)

491 Chris Matthews is a drunk driver who never gets busted.

I watched him do it when i was in DC Metro.

Time to start bribing cops to do their job.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:42 PM (LRFds)


How much will it take to taser him?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (1Jaio)

492 Yeah, he's not near violent enough. Bring in Van Jones to punish the whiteys.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (3Y7RV)


Why is Al Sharpton not available?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (79ueO)

493 #458 You were right. I was never thrilled about Romney running this time because I knew he would win, and I knew he would fuck up on this stuff because he did in 2008.


The guy who had the hardscrabble background was Rick Perry. Of course, he also had some obscure family property with an old rock that said N****rhead, so he would have been DOA.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (qe2/V)

494
I am all for letting Europe defend itself. Its about time to slap them off of that US teet.

Then we'll see how long their utopias last.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 12:44 PM (PHb2k)

495 282 It shows Romney's unique weakness. The Boston plutocrat.

It shows our inability to know how to fight back. John Kennedy and John Kerry were both much more typical "Boston plutocrats" than Romney.

Posted by: Burke at November 08, 2012 12:44 PM (lzZMU)

496 432 Socialism doesn't kill you quickly, it's death by a thousand cuts and people really don't see the long term.

True. So how about one of the two major parties start making the long term argument?

The Dems want the U.S. to be like France. Fine. Let's show the people what it will cost. What taxes will have to be.

The Left is getting its Socialism through their piecemeal approach. And we're letting them. They're gonna boil that frog before the frog knows what happened.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:44 PM (9KqcB)

497 474 Radar,

No let it burn doesn't mean "let everyone burn up."

You need to find people who you can work and do good deeds for that have the ability to hide from the storm.

They'll take you with them to hide.

We MUST cut up the credit card. barack obama is gonna kill a quadrillion in shale money.

I am done. No more fighting stupidity is its own reward.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:44 PM (LRFds)

498 The shit has most definitely not connected with the fan, my friend.
You'd know when Europeans (the white, entitled ones) start rioting or
bread lining in the streets. You'd know when you start recalling photos
from the Great Depression, for real.


<cue "Jaws" theme>

Posted by: The Euro at November 08, 2012 12:44 PM (5iuEW)

499
Facts don't matter if you don't control the Narrative.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (ZPrif)

The Media are the enemy. They are the fourth estate, and until we win that branch, we will never do well with the others.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:45 PM (R9579)

500 Next time around we should hand out gold stars and those little heart candies that have messages on them. That will work.

Or we stop playing fair an play by democrat rules and destroy these fucking clowns.

Posted by: Evil Libertarian at November 08, 2012 12:45 PM (GDfkt)

501 I know about trying cases to a jury. 30 years ago, the average jury had an attention span of about 20 - 25 minutes; after that, they started thinking about last night's Bonanza or Marcus Welby episode.

Today's jurors have an attention span of about 7 to 10 minutes, tops.

I attribute it to the facts that nobody reads more than 144 characters at a time, Sesame Street's production scheme, and drugs.

In summary, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we are fucked.

Posted by: MoeRon at November 08, 2012 12:45 PM (yWDpP)

502 I am all for letting Europe defend itself. Its about time to slap them off of that US teet.

Then we'll see how long their utopias last.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 12:44 PM (PHb2k)


Actually we are not so much defending Europe anymore as we are using it as a forward operating base.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 12:45 PM (79ueO)

503 @PurpAv way up yonder in the comments,

You want a garbageman as Prezzie? I know just the guy -- EOJ.

If you never read his account of garbageman days you're missing a hoot. As to his campaign, well it will at a minimum be entertaining. To hell with campaign speeches; we'll get bourboncasts and snark. For fundraisers, he'll offer to run over union protesters for a bounty.

Empire of Jeff for President. Vote for me or I'll fuck you up.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2012 12:45 PM (ccXZP)

504 It's like Team R has some kind of voter surplus and can afford to thin the herd, do a little "purity" purging.

Both the "True Cons" and the "RINO's" have acted pretty much the same toward Paul voters. You're far too good for them and don't need them in the party and wish they would go away, right?

Posted by: entropy at November 08, 2012 12:46 PM (TULs6)

505 It's like the worst of juvenile Libertarian thought is infecting the party.

I'm not suggesting it is a reason to give up, or that we can say it to them, only that it moved people to vote for Obama.

How to counteract it is less clear.

Posted by: Retread at November 08, 2012 12:46 PM (zxitI)

506 You can't change the reality when the reality is people vote for, as stated here yesteraday, Santa Claus. Reality is people see the economy in the toilet and country getting flushed with it, yet still vote for pot, gay marriage and ladyparts. How the f*** do you reason with people without reason.

You're right, we should change our message. Lie through our teeth like the Gimmiedat Party does to get elected, then do the opposite once we're in power. Certainly has worked wonders for them for the past 2 election cycles.

Republicans are seen as the old white rich guys. Santa Claus is an old white rich guy. Do the math.

Posted by: Py at November 08, 2012 12:46 PM (g0ylv)

507 If the people leaning towards Obama on the "cares about people like me question" went ahead and voted for him, and especially if they did it for the second time, then really, I don't give a fuck about them, and no longer consider them fellow citizens. Let them burn.

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 08, 2012 12:46 PM (k4bdL)

508 >>>The point is we have to say we care. Over and over and over, we have to use that phrase "we care about you."

Yeah, that's one thing. But even complete idiots aren't fooled by bald pandering (from a Republican, anyway). There needs to be some kind of malformed bullshit on our platform, or something.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:46 PM (UodtB)

509 The NYT has about a $1.3B market cap. The common could easily be taken over.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:46 PM (/i+eU)

510
Lost the post, but someone above pointed out that no matter where one goes, "they" may eventually come and you will die defending your land.


Yes, I'm aware of that. And that's how I'll go if it happens. I'm not going to sit in a govt apartment eating meals on wheels. I'm betting that I'm old enough to have some more good life and die before the PTB or the looters get way out in the sticks. IF not, I'll take a few bad guys with me when I go out.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 12:46 PM (1Y+hH)

511 492 TQM,

That is phase 2 of "plumbers" but I will not openly advocate the harming of any newsies in the wild.

We need a shady enough person who is absolutely ideologically driven and willing to dirty their hands to run a cell based gray ops intel campaign and war against the media.

It has always worked we just lack the balls to do so.

A breitbart who buys the media's pushers and pimps and has forensic accountants gleaning and reverse engineering the networks these people use to kill freedom.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (LRFds)

512 @445 - next time, without a sitting incumbent, things will be a little different.

The lesson for the future though needs to be that even if the opponent is a sitting President - ESPECIALLY if the opponent is a sitting President - you've got to start tearing the guy down early, and hard. You've got to start punching and keep punching and keep the guy on the defensive.

And for that you have to have PACs that are willing and able to spend long before the nominee is even known, just to make sure he can't get up long enough to land any blows on your guy once he IS chosen.

Respect for the President be damned, this one at least hasn't done anything to earn it anyway.

Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (o+SC1)

513 @502
I'm sorry... I got to the 7-10 minutes part and kinda zoned out.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (t06LC)

514 I suspect that egomaniac Bloomberg will attempt a third party run in 2016, so that should help things.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (2zM0P)

515 As long as the left controlls the media our message/beliefs will be suffocated, distorted, and blatantly lied about.
They will lie for and cover up the mistakes, lies, scandals of the dems president. The media is the key.
An honest media would make ALL the difference.

Posted by: Hard Right at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (+aCe4)

516 Know this: we will, one day, with terror and slaughter return.

Posted by: The Gods of the Copybook Headings at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (v+QvA)

517 >>>You're right, we should change our message. Lie through our teeth like the Gimmiedat Party does to get elected, then do the opposite once we're in power. Certainly has worked wonders for them for the past 2 election cycles.

Except, the "Gimmedat Party" has actually been giving people crap. in that respect, they are a roaring success.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (UodtB)

518 The shit has most definitely not connected with the fan, my friend. You'd know when Europeans (the white, entitled ones) start rioting or bread lining in the streets. You'd know when you start recalling photos from the Great Depression, for real.


Nothing, and I mean nothing will change until we hit bread lines and riots. However, this modern industrial society is still so wealthy that it may be a very, very long time (if ever) until masses of people in Western countries hit that wall. A handful of Greek riots aren't enough.

It's a "good enough" culture. So long as you get three squares, a roof and a couple of toys like a TV and a scooter, nothing like a groundswell of people will ever give a shit. Certainly not enough to actually question the basic premises of their lives: "We can always count on someone giving us a roof and some toys." Only when the very basics disappear will the culture begin to ask real questions and change behavior. That will likely never happen.

The left's vision of humanity's future is an ant colony, and it's coming.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama committed treason at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (AZGON)

519 no, the free vote army won the election.

Obama lost every state with voter ID. You'll recall the PA voter ID law got deballed before the election by a judge. The MI ID law also got vetoed by its governor (a GOP governor).

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 12:48 PM (QxSug)

520 511 meremortal,

they kill you quick or slow but make no mistake this decade has been all about the democrats getting the power to kill you and they definitely are killing your freedom.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:48 PM (LRFds)

521 510
The NYT has about a $1.3B market cap. The common could easily be taken over.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:46 PM (/i+eU)


IIRC, the common is not voting. Would not be able to affect mgmt/editors.
I could be wrong.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 08, 2012 12:48 PM (X/+QT)

522 Voter suppression efforts by liberals paid off. When you're jobless, called a redneck racist, belittled and badmouthed for your religious views, and no politician defends you? Who ya gonna vote for? Fug em all.

Posted by: starboardhelm at November 08, 2012 12:48 PM (hHgxI)

523 Hmmm..... looks at Demographics...

21% pretty much covers Gays, and Minority Women and Single Moms.... interesting...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 12:48 PM (lZBBB)

524 @chique d'afrique Obama supporters will eventually be mugged by reality. And sooner rather than later. I still firmly believe Obama bought this election with handouts. But consider this: as the purchasing power of Obamabucks declines, his minions (along with everyone, else unfortunately) will start to feel the pain and most have absolutely no resources to fall back on. I live in PA in a "working class" neighborhood and many of my neighbors voted for O. I'm seeing the pain already. I found one of my neighbors who has been laid off for several months going through my recycling bin for aluminum cans. He said he needed gas money. This guy has a wife and kids and has been hitting the food pantry to feed them. I listened politely, went inside and laughed my ass off. Xmas is coming and the goose is not getting fat.

Posted by: kim at November 08, 2012 12:48 PM (JSebC)

525 Comcast is your enemy: They are NBC / Universal. In many areas they are the only cable option, but if you are close enough to the broadcast facilities an indoor antenna will get you the local channels.



Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (Dll6b)

526 I really have a lot of rage to dispel. Yep, i'm a H8r.

I hate Obama, and his Admin, I hate dems, liberals and I don't give a crap who it is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (3Y7RV)

527 >>>True. So how about one of the two major parties start making the long term argument?

What the hell have we been doing, if not that?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (UodtB)

528 Chris Matthews is a drunk driver who never gets busted.

I watched him do it when i was in DC Metro.

Time to start bribing cops to do their job.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:42 PM (LRFds)


Yup. Its time to start hitting the members of the MBM like they hit us. Starting with the financial er. Currently, only the financial reporters to state if they personally or through some charity fund own a stock. But how do I really know? So, time for the Full Disclosure and Honesty in Media Act of 2012. Require every media personality, nationally and locally, to file a disclosure showing their net worth, their investment holdings, the value of their contract, etc. How do I know your not tainting your reporting because of your financial interest? That would not be fair (cause, you know, fair is all the matters).

Cause, you know, they are the 4th estate and the other 3 have to. It is only fair. How do I know your coverage is not being tainted by your financial interest?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (OWjjx)

529 And I still submit that 21% is ALL Gays or Women..... if I heard that from a Male????

Immediat MAN card violation....

Just don't see Men saying that to a Stranger...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (lZBBB)

530 Honestly the only way to connect with even young white voters who would be sympathetic with the republican brand is to tilt towards the Pauls. How to do this without losing socons which are important is the trick.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (t06LC)

531 I hate Obama, and his Admin, I hate dems, liberals and I don't give a crap who it is.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (3Y7RV)

Ditto

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (79ueO)

532
The only reason why nanny state socialism worked in Europe for a breif time was because you had the capitalist cash cow America backing it up.With that gone Europe is hoplessly fucked

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 12:50 PM (AW9md)

533 You give him too much credit. It is the Media that keeps doing this to us. We need to destroy them.

Common denominator.

Obama facts never get known? Media ain't telling true.

Kids getting brainwashed and sucked into hollow lives? Media soaking in through every pore.

Facts about the economy and gov't viability disappearing into the void? Media paints a picture from an alternate reality.

How many times have I harped on this in the past and been snarked down? I stopped because nobody was listening.

Brietbart was right.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at November 08, 2012 12:50 PM (GBXon)

534 A sharp garbage dude can score pretty well. People toss all kinds of good stuff. Even if you just kept a pair of cable slicers in your back pocket and cut the cords off vac's, appliances, dead stoves and such you could make get a decent "bonus" each week in scrap copper.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:50 PM (/i+eU)

535 I was talking to a well educated Asian lady in her 60's earlier.
She was explaining to me about the need to have a "Living Wage".
I asked her to identify what constituted a Living Wage.

Totally unable to.
But, she felt good about herself.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (BPyqV)

536 The great irony is that Obama could give a shit about anyone.

Posted by: Mark formerly in Spokane,now in Sandy Ut at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (xGX1p)

537
@chique d'afrique Obama supporters will eventually be mugged by reality.


Unfortunately I don't think this will happen. Nothing will ever be his fault to them.

They don't even have to be lied to. The lie is built in.

Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (KXm42)

538 Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (zmlwq)I agree. If you are young and not wealthy, you are in real trouble.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (1Y+hH)

539 If you actually *ask* a Dem voter, will they say the reason they're voting is "to get free shit"? No. They'll say that the government needs to provide a safety net.

Exactly. And most voters will not take away the safety net for the needy. Will. Not. But most of those voters work, and they won't knowlingly support moochers.

Clearly, the disagreement is over who is truly "needy."

TheRight - if it still wants to stand for limited government - better start that sensitive conversation over who is truly needy, and who made bad life choices. Because limited government will soon be impossible, if it is not already. Not politically impossible, but literally impossible without people starving.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (9KqcB)

540 U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida will headline Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad’s birthday fundraiser on Saturday, Nov. 17.

And so it begins...

Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 12:52 PM (RIg+t)

541 You give him too much credit. It is the Media that keeps doing this to us. We need to destroy them.

They aided and abetted, no doubt, but he's the one who had to pull it off.

I did door-to-door sales for a (very, very short) while when I was between "real" jobs once. The people who were successful at it were really good at, quite frankly, being douche bags.

What we were selling (usually coupon books as advertisements for specific businesses or whatever) were actually a very good value. Anyone who would listen would agree to that. They could look at the numbers and say, "yep, that's a good deal." The people who did really well, though, were the ones who could make the mark customer "feel" like they "needed" or "couldn't pass up" the opportunity.

In person, they were annoying twits, but when they were doing their sales pitch (and this really annoyed me), they were still annoying twits but it somehow seemed not to matter.

They would emphasize "free stuff" and "But, wait! There's more!" and they'd sell 20 - 30 units (that normally came out between $120 - $200) in about 4 hours.

TFG reminds me of them. For some reason I simply cannot fathom, when he talks to someone, he has that same douchey smile, and that same "I'm totally feeding you a line of BS, and we both know it" attitude- AND PEOPLE BUY IT.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 12:52 PM (/eBe8)

542 The Media are the enemy. They are the fourth estate, and until we win that branch, we will never do well with the others.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:45 PM (R9579)


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Don't forget the fucking NEA. Lamp posts have purposes other than lighting up the night.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2012 12:52 PM (MvRmr)

543 Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:50 PM (/i+eU)

Yeah, but if you were a black gay garbage man, you wouldn't have to get out of the truck.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 12:52 PM (3Y7RV)

544 Wasn't Holder"s name bandied about a while ago about a possible SCOTUS and now Fox says he might not be around at the DOJ? Hmmmm.....

Posted by: Some pre-Revolutionary dude at November 08, 2012 12:52 PM (lTVJy)

545 @537
I can think of one guy Obama cares about alot.

Still, he played the game. Thats more than we did.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 08, 2012 12:53 PM (t06LC)

546 "As conservatives we deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. The challenge is to change this reality, not bitch about it" - Drew

It's very debatable in a Party where people who believe in Climate Change are mocked, and yet people who do not believe it, and use as evidence that God said in Genesis that he'd never destroy the Earth again, are taken seriously...well, it's very debatable if that Party has ever been dealing w/ reality.

It's very debatable that a Party that thinks we have a better Healthcare system than Canada or Germany, when we are paying twice what they pay for care that's no better has ever been dealing w/ reality.

It's very debatable that a Party filled w/ people that think pressing "one for English" is a major political issue have ever been dealing w/ reality.

It's very debatable that people who think a Conservative will do better than a moderate in a Presidential General Election, when they can't even get more votes for the Conservative than the moderate in a Republican primary, have ever been dealing w/ reality.

It's very debatable that a Party that doesn't understand that in tough economic times people are going to be terrified of losing their health insurance by losing their job, and so don't come out w/ a plan of their own to help the uninsured and counter Obamacare, has ever been dealing w/ reality.

It's not the "Oprahzation" of America. Ds offes solutions to real problems, even if admittedly those solutions are usually semi-moronic. We however offer no solutions to people we don't even acknowledge there's a problem. In other words, why offer a vision of healthcare reform when we have "the best Healthcare system in the World".

I don't even think we have a fucking top ten HC system, let alone number one. We spend more and yet have a lower life expectancy than virtually every other first world nation.

I brought this up yesterday on a thread, and some guy blamed Blacks...black men w/ high pressure and black women w/ diabetes were dragging down our average, and somehow making us spend twice more money per person than any of our cousin nations.

He then advised me to "drop those facts like a ton of bricks on liberals heads". This guy thinks if a Democrat brings up the fact that our HC system sucks we can win the fucking debate by blaming blacks for having bad eating habits. And he was entirely serious about that.

Good luck getting a guy like that to "deal w/ reality".

Posted by: trickamsterdam at November 08, 2012 12:53 PM (uTBHY)

547 For all of you wanting to "hit" the MSM, "fight", etc.

Yeah, "angry white guy" is going to win the next election.

If this is the best we've got, it shouldn't surprise anyone Obama won re-election.

FWIW IMO demographics is why Romney lost, in particular, that the demographics don't support Socon policies on the R side, and it's toxic to the people who are against those policies. They'll ignore EVERY OTHER ISSUE to ensure the Socon agenda isn't realized -- they see it as equivalent to fighting against slavery, or for civil rights.

Demographically, Socon policies are a lost cause, and have been since at least 2008. Religious people will just have to be moral on their own going forward, and stop trying to get the Government to force everyone else to be. It is what it is.

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 12:53 PM (LmEvg)

548 >>>Nothing, and I mean nothing will change until we hit bread lines and riots. However, this modern industrial society is still so wealthy that it may be a very, very long time (if ever) until masses of people in Western countries hit that wall. A handful of Greek riots aren't enough.
It's a "good enough" culture. So long as you get three squares, a roof and a couple of toys like a TV and a scooter, nothing like a groundswell of people will ever give a shit.

I strongly question this vision, and I hope you are not right. Here is why.

What are the new toys today? eReaders, iPods, LCD widescreen televisions, video game consoles...

That stuff is pretty damn expensive. Do you really believe that the economy of Obama's second term is going to allow people with children to think about purchasing stuff like that with mouths to feed?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:53 PM (UodtB)

549 They aided and abetted, no doubt, but he's the one who had to pull it off.

That's like saying the cap on the battering ram orchestrated the siege. He's a useful puppet. It would have been someone--Hillary maybe, or JJ Jr, or Edwards--but ultimately it's just choosing a figurehead.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at November 08, 2012 12:54 PM (GBXon)

550 I suppose it is time to start some internet rumors about media people. I'm thinking a little photo shop and the "Chris Matthews caught in Gay Bathhouse" story can fly..............

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 12:54 PM (OWjjx)

551 /forgot to remove my dainty little sock

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2012 12:54 PM (lTVJy)

552 548: Fellow Morons, don't be...That Guy.

Never mistake understanding what needs to be done with mindless rage.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at November 08, 2012 12:55 PM (GBXon)

553 TheRight - if it still wants to stand for limited government - better start that sensitive conversation over who is truly needy, and who made bad life choices. Because limited government will soon be impossible, if it is not already. Not politically impossible, but literally impossible without people starving.
Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (9KqcB)


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Too late. The majority consider the "safety net" (free shit) is a right. They see it every time they read the constitution.

We lost the country this week.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2012 12:55 PM (MvRmr)

554 That's like saying the cap on the battering ram orchestrated the siege.
He's a useful puppet. It would have been someone--Hillary maybe, or JJ
Jr, or Edwards--but ultimately it's just choosing a figurehead.


Agree. He really was the one they had been waiting for.

Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 12:55 PM (KXm42)

555 You run a northeastern liberal/moderate one-term governor who banned guns and created the forerunner of Obama care and you wonder why the Republican base didn't turn out. Really ?

Did you really think that "severely conservative" line would fool anyone?


Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 08, 2012 12:55 PM (6BgmB)

556 >>>It's very debatable in a Party where people who believe in Climate Change are mocked,

Dude fuck you. You talked about dealing with reality. Start fucking doing it.

50 pushups, and some critical thinking, now.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:55 PM (UodtB)

557 A lot of conservatives turned on Perry for his "heart" and "last name" comments in the debates, but I'm afraid that's the kind of language we need to start using. It's just words--so what?

Posted by: stace at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (m+UHL)

558 That stuff is pretty damn expensive. Do you really believe that the
economy of Obama's second term is going to allow people with children to
think about purchasing stuff like that with mouths to feed?

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Many of these people (the gimme crowd) are grossly irresponsible. They'll just charge it, even if they can't afford it.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (lTVJy)

559
People are voting for "free stuff". See, "free stuff" = "you care about me". It is impossible to out-free the Dems on this.

I agree with the mind set of: if that's what you want, let's give it to them. Let the Bush tax rates roll back to the Clinton tax rates. If it was good enough for everyone under Clinton, it surely is good enough for everyone under Obama.

Get ready for the Long Suck. It's coming.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (1hM1d)

560 Yeah, that's one thing. But even complete idiots aren't fooled by bald
pandering (from a Republican, anyway). There needs to be some kind of
malformed bullshit on our platform, or something.


I'm afraid you're overestimating the savvy of idiots. And idiots decide elections.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (SY2Kh)

561 Following up on my Socon, this is what's making the rounds of Facebook on the Dem side:

http://on.fb.me/TxLSZY

See the problem?

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (LmEvg)

562 Wasn't Holder"s name bandied about a while ago about
a possible SCOTUS and now Fox says he might not be around at the DOJ?
Hmmmm.....


Posted by: Some pre-Revolutionary dude at November 08, 2012 12:52 PM (lTVJy)




There's a jail cell with that SOB's name on it. Unfortunately he'll probably never see it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (1Jaio)

563 >>>True. So how about one of the two major parties start making the long term argument?

What the hell have we been doing, if not that?Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:49 PM (UodtB)

We've always used hypothetical Future America arguments. The one where we say "We can't afford it" and the Dems say, "Can too, if you make the rich pay more."

Everything is nice and vague, the way the Left wants it. My preference is to cut the the chase. There are few elements of the French socialist system that the Left would disagree with. Slap a price tag on it and make them own it. The while package.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:57 PM (9KqcB)

564 "You give him too much credit. It is the Media that keeps doing this to us. We need to destroy them."
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (R9579)This, 100 percent. When a Republican is president, the media "do their job" at about 200 percent. They work overtime to make any issue -- whether it's a hurricane or a5 percent unemployment figure -- into an epic disaster that the government isn't working hard enough to fix. It's a steady drumbeat, day after day, over and over. This is bad, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad. It reaches a saturation point where the in-the-middle, don't-wanna-think-about-politics types just want the noise to stop. How to make it stop? Vote for Democrats!Voila. Democrat in charge. Media suddenly starts doing its job at about 10 percent efficiency. Economy, gas prices, unemployment, dead ambassadors, terrorism? Meh. We don't cover those things anymore. Let's talk about what really matters: Will a hurricane help Obama?

Posted by: BethinPA at November 08, 2012 12:57 PM (LWdPB)

565 *The WHOLE package...

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 12:57 PM (9KqcB)

566 Seriously, tricksterdam. Leaving aside all the bullshit science and fraudulent Nobel Prize winners, do you really think any contestable voter gives a damn about "climate change"?

NEITHER CANDIDATE EVEN BROUGHT IT UP.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:58 PM (UodtB)

567 osted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 12:53 PM (LmEvg)


So wrong, in so many ways. Yeah, Romney got 2 -3 million less votes than Juan because of 'demographics'. Right..................

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 08, 2012 12:58 PM (Dll6b)

568 Many of these people (the gimme crowd) are grossly irresponsible. They'll just charge it, even if they can't afford it.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (lTVJy)
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And after we forgive student loan debt, there will be federal credit card payment assistance.

Posted by: Dante at November 08, 2012 12:58 PM (NWLVJ)

569 We need a shady enough person who is absolutely ideologically driven and
willing to dirty their hands to run a cell based gray ops intel
campaign and war against the media.


Its a long term thing.

I'm working on infiltrating the local dem apparatus. You can't do it if there's any obvious flags in your background. I can because I never registered as a Republican. This year I switched from Indie to Dem as phase 1. Phase 2 will be getting a little bit "active" after I've been on the roles for a year or so. A bit of dreary volunteer work and stuff like that. A few years down the road I hope to be slipping into some higher profile campaigns of known scumbags. But I gotta establish some real cred first.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:58 PM (/i+eU)

570
For a somewhat different picture--Obama demobilized the electorate.

Might want to look at Sean Trende's column about the missing voters in 2012. Using Ohio as an example, it turns out that they were probably white.

http://tinyurl.com/d76wqwp

Posted by: wg at November 08, 2012 12:59 PM (2Ha9j)

571 I strongly question this vision, and I hope you are not right. Here is why.

What are the new toys today? eReaders, iPods, LCD widescreen televisions, video game consoles...

That stuff is pretty damn expensive. Do you really believe that the economy of Obama's second term is going to allow people with children to think about purchasing stuff like that with mouths to feed?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:53 PM (UodtB)

Most of our Gadgets are manufactured in China, even Apple.

You can buy a good smartphone for cheap.

A good tablet for cheap.

Game consoles for the next generation will likely be on a subscription basis with a low buy in point.

Welfare, even for more middle class folks gives them margin to buy Gadgets on credit.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 12:59 PM (i3OIF)

572 There's a jail cell with that SOB's name on it. Unfortunately he'll probably never see it

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Bingo. And if you're a Dem and belong in an orange jumpsuit, it's a feather in your advancement cap.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 08, 2012 12:59 PM (lTVJy)

573 >>>Everything is nice and vague, the way the Left wants it. My preference is to cut the the chase. There are few elements of the French socialist system that the Left would disagree with. Slap a price tag on it and make them own it. The while package.

Well, if I'm understanding you right, this goes beyond simply "making the argument." We actually let our economy take on the 80% income tax and some other nice bells and whistles, like collapse.

I'm actually okay with doing this, if that's what it takes.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:59 PM (UodtB)

574 We spend far more on healthcare than other nations because we don't have rationing. If you are young and sick, you will get treated. If you are old and feeble and sick, you will get treated.

But that all changes under ObamaCare.

We will spend even more than we do now, and deathpanels will decide on treatment. Are you a dem precinct captain? You and your family will get coverage. Are you a registered republican? Nothing for you.

There won't be any registered republicans left in the country once ObamaCare is fully implemented. The rest of the country is about to find out what "The Chicago Way" is really like. Reward your friends, punish your enemies.

Posted by: Boots at November 08, 2012 01:00 PM (neKzn)

575 The movie metaphor versions of this are the post-confession scenes at the end of the movie Amadeus.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 08, 2012 01:01 PM (qwK3S)

576 >>>Welfare, even for more middle class folks gives them margin to buy Gadgets on credit.

Okay, I hear you, but wasn't massive credit purchase one of the contributors to the Great Depression?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 01:01 PM (UodtB)

577
Following up on my Socon, this is what's making the rounds of Facebook on the Dem side:



http://on.fb.me/TxLSZY



See the problem?

Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (LmEvg)



That's the solution. The incurably stupid

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 01:01 PM (1Jaio)

578 565 Beth in PA,

My boss is a very calm devout man back at Ft Polk.

He has never cursed to my knowledge once in all my time with him.

he called me yesterday to check on me, he said "the goddamned New Yorkers faced a category one barely hurricane and were screwed over by inept mayors, governors, and the President pretended to care for 3 goddamn days and nobody cares when we were in Katrina and Rita it was non stop Bush bashing."

and the reality is "yup."

The media does not care that NYC is worse off than NOLA was at this point in the timeline.

Fuck the media.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 01:01 PM (LRFds)

579 I'm working on infiltrating the local dem apparatus. You can't do it if there's any obvious flags in your background. I can because I never registered as a Republican. This year I switched from Indie to Dem as phase 1. Phase 2 will be getting a little bit "active" after I've been on the roles for a year or so. A bit of dreary volunteer work and stuff like that. A few years down the road I hope to be slipping into some higher profile campaigns of known scumbags. But I gotta establish some real cred first.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 12:58 PM (/i+eU)
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Awesome.

Posted by: Dante at November 08, 2012 01:02 PM (NWLVJ)

580 Following up on my Socon, this is what's making the rounds of Facebook on the Dem side: http://on.fb.me/TxLSZY See the problem?
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 12:56 PM (LmEvg)


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They want to stay immoral and unethical without any consequences. We are Rome. And we know how that turned out.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2012 01:02 PM (MvRmr)

581

radar at November 08, 2012 12:41 PM (zmlwq)

I'm one of those thirtysomethings too (saw my savings/retirement wiped out in last 4 years, forced to short sale my house, and lost the rest in divorce proceedings), but at this point in history the takers are outnumbering the producers and bankrupting us in the process.

Sadly, we can't convince someone who gets free cheese to start buying it for themselves anymore - the negative stigma is long gone about being dependent on the government (rap songs praising EBT cards for heaven's sakes!).

The takers love the cheese and now demanding Brie from the producers. Add the fact that O-care will be another nail in the coffin of free enterprise and small business, there is not much left we can do.

The public doesn't want to hear the truth (b/c Math is Hard!!!1!!) and when confronted with the truth, they voted for 4 more years of Santa Claus. I'm not a parent but I was raised by very good ones (albiet, 60's hippie types) and they taught me to make it on my own (no handouts, self-reliance).

Sadly, that ethic is now gone the way of the Do-Do based on Tuesday's results. Sequestration is not going to be fun or painless - it will be difficult and hurt many of us producers in the process, but like giving a baby castor oil, it needs to be done. Letting the Bush tax cuts expire is part of the lesson this country needs to learn (again). Those exempt will find themselves back on the dole and a quick lesson will be learned.

As I said the earlier - the village that is America needs to be burned down so the Phoenix (aka: Eagle) can soar from the ashes.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 08, 2012 01:02 PM (YLZSZ)

582 We need to recruit a tranny Mexican drug lord afflicted with half a dozen designer alphabet diseases and three adopted Chinese babies. Also they need to be on Dancing With the Stars.

Posted by: owlpellets at November 08, 2012 01:02 PM (dmEoV)

583 Watched Serenity last night to cheer myself up. Mal Reynolds had it right: these people are always going to swing back to the idea that they can make people better. Doesn't matter how many lives they ruin. It's a religion with them. One with no vengeful being to crack down on them for the horrible things they do.

Posted by: Aaron at November 08, 2012 01:02 PM (Tlix5)

584 they kill you quick or slow but make no mistake this decade has been all about the democrats getting the power to kill you and they definitely are killing your freedom.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:48 PM (LRFds)YES.....I agree. My job is to figure out how to live free as long as possible. The Bahamas looks better all the time. But I'll go to Texas first, when things become untenable in rural Colorado. I've got some time yet for the good life.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 01:02 PM (1Y+hH)

585 570 PA,

You do recall last year when this race was looming I expressed a similar idea as "Plan B"?

Plan B is leaving the GOP and reigniting the blue dogs and schisming the democrats.

Nice to see you're on it. You had good ideas then. We need people like you and Evan Bayh to bleed in and feed destructive data to the handler.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 01:04 PM (LRFds)

586 The real perversity of the way these guys do business is this: their policies make the most rational choice for an individual or a corporation to be the most disasterous for the country. And then after making the choice, demagogue them for being selfish or, if a favored group or entity, celebrate their victory.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 08, 2012 01:04 PM (qwK3S)

587 I was talking to a well educated Asian lady in her 60's earlier.She was explaining to me about the need to have a "Living Wage".I asked her to identify what constituted a Living Wage.Totally unable to.But, she felt good about herself.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (BPyqV)

Was it Mary Croggenstein? I denounce myself.

Posted by: yinzer at November 08, 2012 01:04 PM (/Mla1)

588 We lost the country this week.

No, we lost an election. All of the elements that made the race close would have been there regardless of who won. The real work occurs not during elections but between them. Elections are the RESULT of cultural shifts and expectations, not the driver of them.

More voters are supporting big government because, culturally, we are producing more citizens in need of government aid. The Right is afraid to sully its hands with culture, unless it's stard gays abortion crap. The Left has no such misgivings, which is why they usually have the wind at their backs.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 01:05 PM (9KqcB)

589 The other cultural argument we are totally missing is the individual liberty argument. Everyone under the age of 45 now has a smartphone, most have some kind of computer, large majorities have an iPod or some other personal music device. Everything is moving toward personal, personal, personal. Bank with your smartphone and never stand in line for a teller again. Here's an app to check your heart rate when you run.


We need to get it across to younger people that dinosaur liberal big government pushes them in exactly the opposite direction. One size fits all health insurance. Waits to see a doctor. Long lines at the DMV. Snail mail from the Postal Service. Intrusive regulations on the size of your soda. Punishing free speech if you make fun of Mohammed.


Young people should be HATING this shit! Paul Ryan was the PERFECT messenger for this. Instead we had him talking about Medicare all fucking day long.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 01:05 PM (qe2/V)

590 I have lived lean within my means and i have an assfull of credit. Maybe I'll max out a couple hundred thousand and by gold, declare bankruptcy and move to the woods.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 01:05 PM (3Y7RV)

591 It's very debatable in a Party where people who believe in Climate
Change are mocked, and yet people who do not believe it, and use as
evidence that God said in Genesis that he'd never destroy the Earth
again, are taken seriously...well, it's very debatable if that Party has
ever been dealing w/ reality.Posted by: trickamsterdam


So all skepticism of AGW is because of religious beliefs?

Wall-to-wall strawmen.

But, no, we're the anti-science crowd.

Another thing, skeptics are called 'deniers.' Is that debatable or just holy goodness from the Philosopher King's views?

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 01:06 PM (SX6wc)

592 And this is why I feel media people should be
punched in the mouth at every opportunity. They should be frightened of
us. It works for the Muslims anyway.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 12:23 PM (R9579)



How about start with exposing all of the tax shelters and off shore accounts the MFM, Hollywood crowd and Buffet types have to protect their money from all of the socialism they profess to love

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 01:06 PM (1Jaio)

593 and the container ship is reason 2 why I say "get a little land out in the country."

Dad asked me why i was so grim but calm about the election results.

I said "I live within 32 miles of a major metro area."

he got it at once.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 12:37 PM (LRFds)
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Exactly. TFG will allow us to get nuked, but "he cares" about us, right. Now how much you wnat for that bridge again?

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 08, 2012 01:06 PM (RSqz2)

594 Just got in the office after a morning of meetings and spent my lunch reading the blog. Lots of good subject matter to digest, along with everyone's $0.02.

I think we need a bit more time to burn all the hate/anger/disappointment, etc. out of us, before we're really going to be able to honestly assess what we need to do. I'd like to throw out a couple things for discussion, as i continue to rue over this.

1. I think one of the things we will realize we have to change is messaging and how we communicate our believes to the average voter. I live in Loudoun Co, VA. We have the highest per capita income of any county in the US. last November we voted in a 100% Republican Board of Supervisors. We just went 52-47 for TFG. That, my friends, has nothing to do with free shit. This is upper income, upper middle class, educated people. It seems to me, last years local election naturally, was driven by a couple of specific issues that the voters were focused on. When the focus is really on specific issues like spending, etc. we win, because our philosophy is right and we communicate it well. This election, ended up being about a whole bunch of stuff, most of it worthless, but none the less distracting from what we thought the main point was, the economy. TFG is good at this. get enough women to think about their vagina first. get some auto workers in Ohio to think about the bailout first, etc., etc. Sure, there are other people who are voting for their free shit, but mix this all up and we don't have an effective counter message, or retort to get it re-focused.

2. Related to this, we have to start playing this game on their turf. If this nation now prefers some version of socialism, that didn't happen Tuesday. It's been done by the death by 1,000 slices of various liberal legislation over the last few decades. We seem to always prefer the guns-a-blazing frontal assault repeal it all approach. Bad messaging and easy for the left and their media allies to turn on us. We need to play the same death by 1,000 slices game against them. One piece at a time, voter focused on simple, reasonable argument. Yeah, it will take a while, but if we haven't figured it out yet, we ain't changing things overnight.

Posted by: Pete at November 08, 2012 01:07 PM (+GIS3)

595 The only way any of this changes ispeople pulling their kids out of government run schools -- this is where they are taught all this "self-esteem" "ooooh bullies" "participation trophy" crap.

Take charge of your kids lives people. Free them from the compulsory public education trap.

Check out Lee Stranahan's twitter feed from last night @Stranahan - he had a list of 10 education myths.

Posted by: rockhead at November 08, 2012 01:08 PM (jtTKf)

596 I say we all move to Alaska, get real friendly with the Canadians and then vote on secession.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 08, 2012 01:08 PM (xXhWA)

597 591 OSP,

You need a diverse portfolio og gold, silver, copper, lead, and some steel commodities.

MRE futures are up.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 01:09 PM (LRFds)

598 the ship is sinking. you can't save it by bailingwith some dixie cups. headfor the life rafts.

Posted by: exceller at November 08, 2012 01:09 PM (ROGMG)

599 We have 30 repub governors. Write them, support them, tell them to resist everything the fed regime mandates. It's the only thing, other than open civil war, that could possibly turn this nation around.

Although, considering areas like the northeast, most of the midwest, and CA which hold the winning votes, I see no other way of pulling out of this perpetual merry-go-round is to secede or, at least, threaten secession.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2012 01:10 PM (MvRmr)

600 You need a diverse portfolio og gold, silver, copper, lead, and some steel commodities.

MRE futures are up.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 01:09 PM (LRFds)

Loud and clear.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 01:10 PM (3Y7RV)

601 597 TLL,

Thoughts crossed my mind. The problem is Alaska is hard on foodstuffs.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 08, 2012 01:10 PM (LRFds)

602 Interesting chart.

So, to deal with the Oprahfication of America and the balkanization of America into different groups without changing the conservative message you have to do two things.

1. Create a grass roots outreach programs that goes out to different communities and CONNECTS THE DOTS between conservative principles and the people in that community's particular situations. Before you do that, you LISTEN to their problems and say "I understand your problem." Then you say "here is how conservative principles implemented in this community will help YOUR problem (not everyone's problem -- YOUR problem).

2. You explain "white rich male" anger to combat the left's characterization of all white men as racist, sexist, and classist. The left has poisoned the well here and it has to be dealt with. We need to go out and say, "these white men are angry because they have worked hard all their lives and now the government wants to take it away, just when I have enough money to actually help other people (through charity or your family or by starting and growing your business or whatever." Invite people to stand in your shoes.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by: elizabethe voted for Romney/Ryan at November 08, 2012 01:10 PM (ou/rY)

603 Reminder. Get rid of cable. Quit watching crap from Hollywood. Shun Disney. Shun Starbucks and corporations that support these crooks and liars. Got rid of Comcast today. Saving $80 per month.

Posted by: Fed Up. at November 08, 2012 01:11 PM (WnjLc)

604 Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:59 PM (UodtB)

Not quite. We don't need to let the country collapse. Just calculate the price tag per taxpayer of importing the French system to the US. Or some other approach that gets in front of the issue, rather than just reacting.

Put it this way, Democrats have been allowed to advertise themselves cable companies do: ONLY $9.99 a Month! Gee, only 9 bucks for all that? Sounds good. What's the yearly cost? After the introductory rate ends? Oh. Ohhhh.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 01:12 PM (9KqcB)

605 I say we all move to Alaska, get real friendly with the Canadians and then vote on secession.

How're you doin'?

Posted by: Vladimir "The Dudeski" Putin at November 08, 2012 01:12 PM (GBXon)

606 590
The other cultural argument we are totally missing is the individual
liberty argument. [ ] Everything is moving toward personal,
personal, personal. Bank with your smartphone and never stand in line
for a teller again. Here's an app to check your heart rate when you
run.




We need to get it across to younger people that dinosaur liberal big
government pushes them in exactly the opposite direction. One size
fits all health insurance. Waits to see a doctor. Long lines at the
DMV. Snail mail from the Postal Service. Intrusive regulations on the
size of your soda. Punishing free speech if you make fun of Mohammed.





Posted by: rockmom

SOMEBODY gets it.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 01:12 PM (dZ756)

607 >>>We need to get it across to younger people that dinosaur liberal big government pushes them in exactly the opposite direction. One size fits all health insurance. Waits to see a doctor. Long lines at the DMV. Snail mail from the Postal Service. Intrusive regulations on the size of your soda. Punishing free speech if you make fun of Mohammed.

Yeah, as a young person, I agree with all of this.

But the fact of the matter is, young people write this off as everyday bullshit. (which some of it is, despite being harbingers of greater evils). On the other hand, if you seduce them into fighting Stone Age Republicans who want to declare war on women, or opposing homophobic Neanderthals who want to restrict gay marriage rights, why, you'll get a bunch of young people right there.

The fact of the matter is that all the really bad consequences Republicans are talking about are over the horizon, so people don't believe they exist. Like idiots.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 01:12 PM (UodtB)

608 595 Great post, Pete. Everyone please read. This is on the money.

Posted by: teebone at November 08, 2012 01:12 PM (YtLSL)

609 This data is not very meaningful. I've been in the market research industry for well over 20 years. It's a leading, biased question. The question does NOT ask people why they voted for their candidate. It forces them to choose from a list of 4 selected attributes. An unbiased question would not provide any answer choices. [And/or if you were trying to measure the impact of these 4 particular characteristics, you'd ask different questions and use a scale.]

Someone selected these 4 particular attributes. There are glaring omissions, namely "the economy" which was Romney's central message, and "fairness" or individual issues like "women's rights" which were Obama themes. There are no negative reasons on the list, ie voting against Obamacare or against corporate greed or other issues distasteful to Obama base. So the list is biased and respondents are forced to choose one from it.

Further, the data displayed shows the breakdown by attribute, not by candidate. Looking at it by candidate is a clearer way to see the differences among the two voter bases. And it changes the picture a little:

Values: O11%, R15%
Leader: O 7%, R11%
Cares: O17%, R 4%
Vision: O13%, R16%

Of these 4 characteristics, most Romney voters chose Vision or Values, whereas Obama voters choose Cares. The item most cited by Obama voters was least cited by Romney voters.

It would be interesting to see how Independents chose. But again, overall I think this data is meaningless because it forces people to say something that may not at all be a true reflection of why they voted for their chosen candidate.

Posted by: Mayday at November 08, 2012 01:13 PM (F3s39)

610 I say we all move to Alaska, get real friendly with the Canadians and then vote on secession.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 08, 2012 01:08 PM (xXhWA

Hell, let's just grab some rifles and a six-pack and take over the damn place.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 01:14 PM (9KqcB)

611 551 I suppose it is time to start some internet rumors about media people. I'm thinking a little photo shop and the "Chris Matthews caught in Gay Bathhouse" story can fly..............
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 12:54 PM (OWjjx)

^^ This.

Posted by: osu at November 08, 2012 01:15 PM (xR46S)

612 The fact of the matter is that all the really bad consequences Republicans are talking about are over the horizon, so people don't believe they exist. Like idiots.

You mean like Sandy?

Talk about a perfect metaphor.

Posted by: Vladimir at November 08, 2012 01:15 PM (GBXon)

613 So, time for the Full Disclosure and Honesty in Media Act of 2012.
Require every media personality, nationally and locally, to file a
disclosure showing their net worth, their investment holdings, the value
of their contract, etc.

Funny you should mention this ...

I know for a fact George Stephanopoulos was involved in gray area tax write offs.

George is a client/customer of an art gallery in the NYC. The gallery owner had some ok photographs he wanted to unload. He "gifts" the photographs to George. Then the gallery owners donates the photographs on George's behalf to a small local museum. Then George receives a tax right off for his donation. The photographs were never physically in George's possession. To be fair to George he is not alone with this little move. I am not tax expert by any measure but to me it seemed under handed.

Posted by: Long Island at November 08, 2012 01:15 PM (EsJl1)

614 Rooski sockski, da svedanya!

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at November 08, 2012 01:15 PM (GBXon)

615 >>>Put it this way, Democrats have been allowed to advertise themselves cable companies do: ONLY $9.99 a Month! Gee, only 9 bucks for all that? Sounds good. What's the yearly cost? After the introductory rate ends? Oh. Ohhhh.

I thought we were trying to do just this with all the harping about the national debt.

Sure, Democrats say we can just tax the rich, and then Republicans point out that if we confiscate the entire wealth of the 1% that it wouldn't actually do jack.

But then the discussion ends, for some reason. Those making under $250,000 just go on believing they won't pay any additional taxes.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 01:16 PM (UodtB)

616 I live in Loudoun Co, VA. We have the highest per
capita income of any county in the US. last November we voted in a 100%
Republican Board of Supervisors. We just went 52-47 for TFG. That, my
friends, has nothing to do with free shit. Posted by: Pete


Loundoun sounds awfully close to Washington D.C. If so, would not the major of that wealth be the product of a spendthrift Federal Government?

If in fact that is true, 'free shit' is just another way of saying Trickle Down Socialism.

Your points maybe true, but that doesn't seem to be a good reference point.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 01:17 PM (SX6wc)

617 Related to this, we have to start playing this game on their turf. If this nation now prefers some version of socialism, that didn't happen Tuesday. It's been done by the death by 1,000 slices of various liberal legislation over the last few decades. We seem to always prefer the guns-a-blazing frontal assault repeal it all approach. Bad messaging and easy for the left and their media allies to turn on us. We need to play the same death by 1,000 slices game against them. One piece at a time, voter focused on simple, reasonable argument. Yeah, it will take a while, but if we haven't figured it out yet, we ain't changing things overnight.

I've said it before, we're trying to turn an ocean liner. Takes time. And most of the work takes place BETWEEN elections. During elections it's too late.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 01:17 PM (9KqcB)

618 Posted by: Mayday at November 08, 2012 01:13 PM (F3s39)

Interesting.

Pete, I read your post and I think there is a lot of truth to it.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 01:19 PM (UodtB)

619 But, but...Whoopie saidMitt is a poopy-head.

Posted by: sherlock at November 08, 2012 01:19 PM (TQbuA)

620
I agree with the general issues pushed by socons. But I find the idea of enforcing those issues through govt to be inherently liberal.

SoI havea problem with that.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 01:20 PM (1Y+hH)

621 Scary chart. Sickening. But in the age of Idols and Stars not
surprising. There is lots of mud slinging going on about Romney and
campaign team and messaging and all that which is a bit silly though not
unexpected. But we need to give credit to the other team. They knew
that they would lose voters (and did as evidenced by 10M fewer votes
than 0. But they figured out how to cobble up (and scare) segments
that worked for them. Their targeting will also explain lots of the
skewed data we are seeing. They will have high numbers on “cares about
people like me” or even higher share than past elections of Latino votes
because most of their voters were selected. Not organically won but
cherry picked and messaged.

So they drew in their specific voters - for example:
* African - American - this was an easy connect and they’ve got various celebs to help them drive this segment
*
Latinos - scare them with GOP primaries messaging and then specific
cases that generate real anger for them (ex: AZ), use channels like
Pimp-with-the-Limp
* Single women - scare them with abortion (play up
cases like Akin, Mourdock), birth-control issue via Obamacare, use
surrogates like Fluke, Longoria (which surprises us but there is method
to their madness), use channels like View, People, etc.
* Youth -
specifically targeting first time voters - high school graduates over
last 4 years who have likely been living a sheltered life in college and
less impacted by the real economy, use Dunham FirstTime (again
surprises us, but scary clever).

This is why their messaging
seemed so “small” to us. No platform. No plan. They did not need one.
They were busy connecting with voters showing them they cared about
them. They got into trouble when the first debate blew up because
suddenly it created doubt about the candidate as a whole but they pieced
that back together with grandstanding at the second and third debates. A
jobs plan was a glossy book. Made no sense but it fits in with the
segments they targeted and their method of messaging (basically a glossy
is an excuse/crutch for the voter when they are challenged by rational
people). Then they got Obama to strut around in a Bomber jacket and
destroy the lack of bi-partisanship charge with Christie photo-ops.
Every time they seemed to have a little hole to fill they quickly
plugged it with something superfluous and it worked.

Now on our
side we tried to present a vision. A platform. Solve serious problems.
More traditional messaging. Broader. Attempt to create a movement which
it kind of did as we saw with the crowds. It seems like we could have
still won if we had truly turned out with max force. Basically Bush had
about 62M voters in 04, McCain had about 59M and sounds like the final
tally with Romney will be close to McCain. So we could have driven out a
stronger vote even though the margin for error on our side is very
limited. We do have a need to broaden the base and hit some demographic
segments better and this is being discussed by many. But lets also note
that this suppressed turnout is not a coincidence. Here too their side
played a hand (“Kill Romney”):

* Mormon - there was no large
scale campaign but there was plenty of subtle messaging, the week before
the election another secret video was released which did not make the
main news but had gathered 1.2M views in the 5 days before election (see
WaPo for article on this)
* Bain, Tax-cheat - used to influence blue collar voting block
*
Detroit bankrupt - economic, blue collar scare tactics and ideally
linked to their geographic needs for electoral votes, aggressive Jeep Ad
tear-down to re-confirm their “can not trust” messaging

The
bottom line is that the other team played a good game though seemingly a
bit dirty. It seems at odds with how Presidents should be chosen -
leadership, vision, policy platform. But this is the world we live in
and they figured out how to exploit it. With the help of their allies -
unions, MSM and ofcourse luck (Sandy). And technology. With broad based
communication of the old days there was a much greater need for mass
communication - big vision, plans and such. But we are living in a
micro-targeted world - every segment can be discovered and reached via
unique channels. A game we will need to learn better.

But lets
not beat our side up too much. We need to address the demographics. We
need to use new world tactics and technology better. We can get cynical
and attempt the same as them. Scare their segments. Cherry pick a
candidate who fits our “base” profile and layer small targeted messaging
on them. But then we would we be them. We instead looked at the times,
identified the major problems, picked the best likely problem solvers
for those problems (both Romney and Ryan are). I am much happier being a
problem-solution type Republican even though a member of the losing
side. For now we have demographic advantages in sufficient number of
House seats to make that our firewall. And we don’t need to stand down
there.

Posted by: amit (@CArepub) at November 08, 2012 01:21 PM (lw4p5)

622 I recently convinced my son, age 19, to vote Republican mostly on these personal liberty vs. bureaucracy arguments. I think a large number, perhaps even a majority, of young people are basically libertarian and they all want to think of themselves as hip and cutting-edge. Big government is the antithesis of hip and cutting edge, it is not libertarian at all, and it is always at least three generations behind on everything. We can work to make Big Goverment stupid and un-hip.


I also scared the shit out of him when I told him how Obama blamed the Benghazi attack on a guy who made a video and had him thrown in jail. He is a musician and an aspiring composer and I told him that if we let Obama get away with this violation of free speech, everyone's free speech rights are at risk. he got this immediately.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 01:21 PM (qe2/V)

623 Personally, I have contemplated my role in a Conservative equivalent of the Long March. I think it is the strategy to follow except to do so in an organic/free market way. It doesnt't need an organization to start but ultimately the acts of thousands will result in organization. What I intend to do is to battle the local school district on curriculum issues and lesson plans. Nail down what is taught and not taught. Ask for records. Visit classrooms. Then start informing the school board at their meetings. Fruitless. Probably. But maybe the Truth will start to break through the mindlessness. I was also thinking about picking specfic classes [current events] and create a website with links to POVs different from the school room narrative. Advertise in the school "paper" or blog or whatever. Offer a cash debate prize.If you can get just one to understand or start talking, could make a difference. Optimistic? Not in the least. But it's doing something. It's stirring the pot.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 08, 2012 01:23 PM (qwK3S)

624
How's this for caring, it's something that I've said a lot this year because people have become absolute idiots.
"If you don't want to be called or seen as an idiot, quite being an idiot."
As much as they may not think we "care", it's a lot more caring to change and educate a person so they are no longer idiots than to let them continue being idiots.

Posted by: CSharpAJ at November 08, 2012 01:25 PM (L2y5o)

625 Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 01:21 PM

I hate myself for even bring up his name but that is what explains the Ron Paul phenomenon among 18-30 group.

Posted by: Long Island at November 08, 2012 01:27 PM (EsJl1)

626 George is a client/customer of an art gallery in the
NYC. The gallery owner had some ok photographs he wanted to unload. He
"gifts" the photographs to George. Then the gallery owners donates the
photographs on George's behalf to a small local museum. Then George
receives a tax right off for his donation. The photographs were never
physically in George's possession. To be fair to George he is not alone
with this little move. I am not tax expert by any measure but to me it
seemed under handed.Posted by: Long Island


Gifts are taxable as income, and if the value is over $13k per year, the gift-giver coughs up money as well.

Steph would still have to report the gifts even if he donates them to a museum that same year.

It may be hinky and I'm not a tax professional, but I don't see the gray part.

Posted by: burned cut-loop at November 08, 2012 01:28 PM (SX6wc)

627 Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 08, 2012 01:23 PM (qwK3S)

As a school board member, I'd ask they you check to make sure that you need to be adversarial. There are plenty of ways to affect curriculum. They may welcome input. If not, for the effort you will put in you may as well run for school board yourself.

Posted by: CJ at November 08, 2012 01:37 PM (9KqcB)

628 I have been reading Ace of Spades everyday for the past 5 years. I don't comment much, but love the humor and feel the pain when there's a prevailing funk. I don't personally know any of the bloggers or Ace for that matter, but kinda feel like I know them because I've been popping by for so many years. It's a 'Cheers' kind of bar for me. I have my coffee here every morning. Like everyone here, I felt dazed and confused after the election. I sat on my couch and just stared at the TV, not really even registering the chatter, but thinking, what the hell just happened? I was so positively sure Romney was going to win, I could taste it. I FELT it. I KNEW it.
But yesterday morning, I woke up, resisted the temptation to put on black funeral clothes and came to work, just like any other day.I can't get mired down in the loss because then I can't function. I still have to focus on my job, home, family, etc. I still can't get it out of my head, though,what really happened.
You see, the problem isn't that Romney is this or that, or shoulda woulda coulda, or Obama, or whatever. The problem is ME. I believed that the majority of the nation thinks like me, more or less.2010 Midterms / Chik-Fillet / Benghazi.connected with me.I believed that all the abortion, birth control and other b.ssmall issues werejust that-b.s. A distraction the left was using so they wouldn't actually have to talk about the REAL issues, you know like O's record, or the deficit or high unemployment blah blah blah.
The thing is, those so-called b.s. small issues, they'reBIG issues toalot of people out there. A majority, it seems. I never saw it. Never even got a whiff of it. So, IMHO, the GOP needs to take a step back, regroup, rebrand, and modernize. If we don't, we can look forward to decades of Democrat rule, opining that we just need to tweak the message, then we can win. It's going to take more than just tweaking the message. We make fun of Dems when they say that. It's the messaging that's off. No, it's not the message. It's me (us).
Maybe we should start here: : Operation Deep Blue. Takeover the democratic party from the inside. As he says, "sell a set of policies to Democratic voters that actually amount to a redhorse covered in blue paint..."
Just a thought.

Posted by: wendy at November 08, 2012 01:47 PM (uBVp6)

629 I hate myself for even bring up his name

Right. Cuz you won so handidly, you don't need icky icky types like him who disagrees with you on foreign policy and agrees with you too much (he actually means it!) on domestic stuff.

Posted by: entropy at November 08, 2012 01:49 PM (TULs6)

630 Burned cut-loop: yes, Loudoun is in the carpet-bagger occupied portion of VA north of the Rappahannock River. But if you want to over-simplify the issue and still boil it down to free-shit, you're missing what I think is an important point. These are people, the majority of whom are actually open to our message if properly communicated. Somehow we did not achieve that.

It's not as simple as saying Mitt just did a bad job or too many people love them some government teet, but we've got to break it down and learn from it.

Posted by: Pete at November 08, 2012 01:50 PM (+GIS3)

631 Right. Cuz you won so handidly, you don't need icky icky types like him who disagrees with you on foreign policy and agrees with you too much (he actually means it!) on domestic stuff.Posted by: entropy at November 08, 2012 01:49 PM (TULs6)___ ____ ____ Paulites think they are going to snark andinsult their way to power.Good luck with that.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 08, 2012 01:51 PM (1Y+hH)

632
329This is stoopid. The man faked he cared and they bought it. So we should do the same?

It is even worse than that. BHO never even faked he cared. He didn't even try to fake he cared in the first debate, which is why the media really blew up at him. The "Obama cares about me" thing is 100% media fabrication. Obama actually comes across as even more stiff and uncaring as Romney, if that is possible. But the media flaks for him so much that becomes the impression, even though it has no basis in reality.

Posted by: BigDaddyD at November 08, 2012 01:52 PM (S4N/h)

633 Maybe we can put to rest the SCOAMF meme. It's apparent to us, but it was much more fun reading about it when I thought he was going down. Now, that miserable failure won another four years in the greatest country in the world.

He's a SCOAMF, but he's shoved it up our butts again.

Posted by: g.w. mclintock at November 08, 2012 01:53 PM (qwUGR)

634 I'm thinking, in retrospect, it was a good thing we didn't let them cast their little symbolic protest vote at the convention and put Paul in nomination even though he wouldn't win.

Cuz... then we might not have alienated a few of them and who knows, Romney might have accidentally won andwound up on the hook for this fiscal cliff shit.

We need to alienate them more, STAT. Let's start talking up the death penalty for pot possession. We dunkin tono subversive vegetables round these parts. Vegetables is dangerous. Some vegetables, you may not know this, are actually satanic. It says that in the bible I think, the debil works through vegetables.

Posted by: entropy at November 08, 2012 01:55 PM (TULs6)

635
Sorry I'm late, but I got dragged away.


I just wanted to add the observation that I saw Herman Cain on some show, and he explained it simply: That Obama managed to turn this into a popularity contest. Basically, it's the same thing I've said for many years - "It's the charisma, stupid!"

With all the trouble we're in, with much more on the way, it seems inconceivable that people would be so frivolous as to ignore everything and enjoy seeing the President fart around on vapidtalk shows talking about his favorite color, but that's where we are.

Still, we have ourselves to blame as well. It sounds like we simply did not get out the vote. There were more R's and I's, and it still sounds like the I's broke for Romney (although maybe only by a little -not as much as I thought). We weren't "wrong", and it's not "demographics". Assuming somebody didn't pull some crooked "fast one", somehow we managed to do a shitty job.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 08, 2012 01:58 PM (Mxt9o)

636 Wendy, I like and agree with your post. The only thing I'd add is that I believe the media is our #1 enemy, and they actively suppressed so much about Obama that we really don't know if "people not like me" care about the issues we do, or not. They have to *know* about Benghazi to care about it. I'm not quite willing to think they all just don't care.

If the media did their job, or at least did not deliberately and unfairly slant their coverage, a lot more people would be as disgusted by Obama/left/Dems as we are. Not all of them, but enough to make a difference.

Posted by: Mayday at November 08, 2012 02:02 PM (F3s39)

637 Thank you, Mayday. I too agree that the media is an enemy, but the post was already longish, I didn't go into it. I personally think we need a 3 pronged attack at Media, Education and the Judiciary. We will get nowhere if we don't infiltrate those areas and level the field. For what it's worth.

Posted by: wendy at November 08, 2012 02:09 PM (uBVp6)

638 Seriously, tricksterdam. Leaving aside all the bullshit science and fraudulent Nobel Prize winners, do you really think any contestable voter gives a damn about "climate change"?
NEITHER CANDIDATE EVEN BROUGHT IT UP.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at November 08, 2012 12:58 PM (UodtB)

It's one of the reasons Sandy hurt Romney (IMO). I don't think if some asteroid had hit NJ you would have had that kind of bounce for O.

I don't think signing a check and wearing a bomber jacket covers it.

You had the NYC mayor and NY governor both blame climate change. I think it hurt w/ women and independents.

You can point out that Romney won indies by five...who's to say he wouldn't have won them by ten w/out Sandy?

BTW, the world has constantly been changing its climate from the start (e.g., long after the Dinosaurs were wiped out Europe was a tropical rain forest).

It doesn't have to be man-made, but but the fact that man doesn't at least contribute defies common sense to most people.

If we acknowledge it's happening you can then explain why cap and trade don't work (e.g., would not reduce emissions enough anyway, would leave us unable to compete w/ foreign nations who don't have it).

But by pretending it doesn't exist, most people just roll their eyes, then the Ds win the argument by default.

This happened w/ health care too. We needed our own comprehensive reform package. There was none, and Obamacare filled the void.

You can say it polls badly, but its two main authors, O and Reid, have now been reelected rather easily. I watch what people do not what they say. People want the uninsured to have insurance.

There are conservative solutions to get it to them, but I doubt you even think the fact that the uninsured have nothing even matters. Wrong.

We have now lost the popular vote in five out of six Pres elections. We are awol on many of the most important issues of the day, and Republicans of your sort (i.e., dumb as a post) are surely part of the problem.

But I've wasted enough time on you already. I'd have better luck talking to a moose head hung on somebody's wall.

Posted by: trickamsterdam at November 08, 2012 02:11 PM (uTBHY)

639 Here's the problem, Yoshi:

It's not Latinos and Black people that kept Obama in power: it's entitled white folks and middle class educated folks who wanted Obama to protect what They Believed In. Obama is the protector of the Bourbon Clerisy.

When these people start losing money in a serious way, or start seeing their money evaporate, or start seeing Black People Rioting In Their Neighborhoods because the checks have stopped coming in. When the small businesses that they used to do business with start shutting down and go away, little by little, it will dawn on them that they have made a mistake.

But not today. Today we have to endure their triumphalism.

It won't last. There will be a terrible price to be paid for this man and what he believes because the Andrew Sullivans of the world bought into his bullshit, and voted for it again and again.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at November 08, 2012 02:22 PM (CUoon)

640 Hey,

So where was Palin and the Tea Party? Guess Mitt kept them off the party invitation list, he probably bought into the liberal propaganda that they were crude, racist sorts best kept at a distance and out of sight. That's what happens when you run a blue state Republican. Christy would have been the same.

Posted by: chuck at November 08, 2012 02:33 PM (Esg+E)

641 Has anyone here at AoS ever and I mean EVER thought to yourself, gee I wish my President 'cared' about me.
I mean EVER?

Posted by: bobbymike at November 08, 2012 02:43 PM (9trNv)

642 414 sven10077:

I'm a firm believer in the invisible hand of the marketplace, and anyone who gets laid off due to the fiscal cliff will quickly find another job, if they're competent. After all, only parasites collect unemployment for more than a few months, right?

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2012 02:52 PM (qRuw3)

643 In other words...

I FEEL YOUR PAIN....I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!!!!!





Posted by: William Eaton at November 08, 2012 03:43 PM (rwioF)

644 How do you expect to win women voters with the disgusting language about females in these comments? Go ahead. Keep shooting yourself in the foot. Works for me.

Posted by: Mary Ann at November 08, 2012 05:08 PM (9jLv7)

645
i hope these 81% of americans that thinks o'bama cares for them,are ready for a lifestyle change.
99% of americans are going to have a lifestyle change,and it's not going to be for the better,socialism is thee least caring ideoligy there is,the last 4 yrs. has put the foundation down,now it's going to be implemented.
go luck getting o'bama on the phone when your in desperate need.

Posted by: david lager at November 08, 2012 06:05 PM (ohZ9s)

646 I learned something today, both about the majority of Republicans (some huge exceptions like Ace and jimi ray and a few others, but most).

I'm too literal minded, so I thought being Christians would translate, in some way, to actual real-world caring and compassion.

Well no. Not to someone outside the social tribe. The in group.

The voters, by a massive margin, believed the Dem more than the Rep cares about them. The Rep one on everything else. But the Dem one this on this hugely.

Well, Reps, for whatever reason, are not that compassionate and don't care that much. I learned this personally very very definitively last night.

All my life I've given credit to military and economic matters and law and justice matters, to such an extent, that I thought the right of the political spectrum was the obvious place where I had to support. Strongly, passionately support, despite reservations over specific, lesser things.

Alienate real friends over with my passion and perplexity that they could support Democrats and leftists.

But I realized last night, every personally, here -- that with a few exceptions, Republicans DON'T care.

81% of the people -- an incredibly large margin that -- believes the Dem cares about them more than the Rep.

I'm not sure that's actually true in Obama's case, or any leader's case, because they are such unique personalities. But I believe this number has to be heavily informed by dealing with Republicans and noticing their general lack of caring.

Not across the board. But pretty damningly and decisively.

That number is not nothing! 81 friggin' %.

It was gained by PERCEPTIVENESS. A perceptiveness I lacked, but finally, glaringly gained last night.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:10 PM (SKX2R)

647 *very personally

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:11 PM (SKX2R)

648 Mocked by one of you because I told a story about my friend who killed herself in June after being raped, again.

And not one person would call him out on that. Not even after I asked.

Two lessons:

1. I am almost completely despised. I get it. It is what it is. But she was a wonderful, sweet girl like you wouldn't believe.

2. Republicans don't care. 81% of the people -- a virtually unheard of number -- got it right.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:15 PM (SKX2R)

649 The GOP LOSERship is continually making the 'small government' mantra mistake.

Joe and Mary Bubba couldn't give a rat about small government -- Joe and Mary do care about having access to functional affordable individually driven social marketplaces. Never mind that a reality with affordable individually driven social marketplaces would also have a smaller government... Let's (as the GOP) just skip that important confusing part and keep pushing the small government solution.... That'll show folks the GOP cares...

The Obamacrats know that as long as the GOP and conservatives are aimlessly wandering around on side rail of small government, their future of pushing big government social marketplace solutions is all good. Never mind that these solutions are bankrupting the nation, and frequently are dismal failures. Big Gubermint failures are always easily attributed to the GOP wish for a small government... Because the GOP LOSERship just don't get it.

Posted by: drfredc at November 08, 2012 08:44 PM (ao2uX)

650 Quick: you hear a news story about a leader publically saying it's impossible to impregnate a woman by raping her. What's the first thing you think about:

A) Another ignorant, crazy Muslim from some hellhole like Pakistan or Afghanistan or
B) An American Republican running for office in the 21st Century?

Posted by: Jeff at November 09, 2012 02:08 AM (qRuw3)

651 But by all means, keep making vagina jokes and using the word "socialism" in every sentence.

Posted by: Jeff at November 09, 2012 02:09 AM (qRuw3)






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