The Morning After The Morning After- ORCA, Amnesty And What Kind Of Nation Are We?

As we start to dig out of the rubble of Tuesday night, the post-debacle conversation is coming into focus. There are a couple of debates emerging…

1. Did Romney’s vaunted ORCA get out the vote program crap the bed?

2. Have the demographics of the country changed so much that, at least in Presidential elections, the Republican coalition simply doomed as presently constructed?

3. Related to number 2…is America still a center-Right nation?

Taking them in order, my initial thoughts:

1. Early anecdotal evidence is that yes, Romney’s get out the vote plan/program failed miserably. I don’t have a link yet but I’ve heard from several people involved that it didn’t work as planned. It’s something that a lot of people will be talking about in the weeks to come.

It’s pretty clear though that whatever technical merits of ORCA may or may not have been, barely getting back to McCain’s vote total (if Romney does) is not what one would call a rousing success.

It’s also clear that the GOP had nothing like what Team Obama did.

The biggest point of the demographic discussion is Hispanics. They reached 10% of the electorate for the first time and they went to Obama about 70-20. (There are other groups we need to address (young voters, Asians((!) and blacks but we can save them for another day.)

Of course there will be calls for the GOP to embrace “comprehensive immigration reform” immediately as if that will solve the GOP’s problem with Hispanics (put aside for the moment that "Hispanic" and "Latino" are gross oversimplifications of that group. Mexicans aren't Cubans and Cuban aren't Dominicans but it's the term of art for this kind of discussion).

If people want to make the case for amnesty based on morality or compassion, fine. Let’s have that debate. If you’re a Republican and you’re saying it’s a political based move to get these “natural conservative” voters, you’re going to have to prove your claim.

Right now all the evidence seems to be Hispanic voters are voting for Democrats because as a group…they tend to be liberal.

And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.

I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”

And assimilation over time doesn’t seem to change that.

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As for social issues…

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So as a group, they favor big government, same-sex marriage and are having children out of wedlock at an alarming rate (the reality is that’s a problem across all racial line, whites included. My point in including that is simply to question the notion that as a group Hispanics are somehow socially conservative).

Which part of any of this makes them as a group, "natural conservatives/Republicans"? It's an honest question.

If GOP opposition to amnesty is such a death blow to Republican chances with Hispanic voters, why did Obama do so well with the group while boasting about his record high level of deportations, which they disapprove of?

Is it a matter of tone? Maybe. It couldn’t hurt and it might help if Republican politicians spoke positively about immigration (and assimilation). It clearly would help if those of us who favor stronger border security and oppose amnesty didn’t us drunken and murderous illegal immigrants as the poster children for our arguments. I can’t imagine that helps Hispanics think we value them. Yes, Democrats want you to believe every DREAM Act kid is a military hero and or valedictorian of their class but the reality is that on average most Hispanics are, well, average.

Can a compromise be found? I don’t know. One thought I had was instead of amnesty we offer Green Cards to illegals here but with the restriction they may not seek citizenship here (unless they serve in the military). That would prevent an influx of Democratic voters, provide more a real penalty for their illegal behavior and show Hispanic-Americans we aren’t hostile to them. The problem with that is as soon as we cut that deal, Democrats would begin agitating for full citizenship by claiming we were creating a permanent underclass and were cutting them off from citizenship because of RACISM.

This is one of the problems, you can’t cut a deal with a party that is always willing to play Santa Claus and one up you.

Which brings me to point 3: Is America still a “center-right” nation.
I think the obvious answer is, no. And it hasn’t been for a long time. There is a lot of talk about “cutting spending” and “reducing the size of government” people will tell pollsters they are in favor of those things but they don’t actually mean it.

Even in the halcyon days of 2010, the tea party always came with the caveat of “don’t touch Medicare and Social Security”. Well, that’s the game right there. And two years on, ObamaCare is now enshrined as an entitlement (and it’s only going to grow and move to left as the cost becomes untenable…hello single payer and full on rationing!). You can’t say this is a center-right country with a straight face.

The left has been fighting an ideological war for over 80 years and we've been fighting individual battles against big government program by program. Unless and until that changes, we are going to keep getting rolled even when we "win" (George W. Bush and Medicare Part D for example).

Some will no doubt try to comfort themselves by saying the Obama coalition is Obama specific and once he’s gone so are these voters, at least in these numbers. That’s probably true over the short term but over the long term, the numbers don’t lie.

Liberals love to tout “diversity” and “the changing face of America”. You can’t have that and pretend that a massive demographic shift doesn’t impact the foundational assumptions of the country. It’s not because whites are genetically pre-disposed to “conservatism” or Blacks and Hispanics to “liberalism”, it’s culture. Culture can (and has) changed.

I think conservatives need to stop focusing on elections for awhile, leave that to the Republicans. We need to find a way to make the eternal values we believe in relevant and palatable to a wider segment of the population. We should realize that this is a long term, multi-front war. Conservatives too often to seem to take for granted that our ideas are right and our messengers are good people. We think people will see that and simply agree with us. The truth is we need to argue for and explain our ideas, we need to accept that sometimes style matters more than substance and be willing to reach people on their terms with our ideas. That means getting to them in ways beyond politics and not talking down to them like the dim children they often are. It’s hard but it’s what it will take.

Franklin Roosevelt was the real winner on Tuesday night, just as he has been for the last 17 presidential elections before that. His assumptions about the role of government in the country have been the template that has been expanded on for generations. We can’t win on those terms, we need to change the rules and that will take time.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:27 AM



Comments

1 I'm surprised that lainos support ssm to that extent.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 08, 2012 10:29 AM (C4dFv)

2 I don't know if we can answer questions number 2 & 3 until we figure out why Romney got 5M less votes than W did in 2004 and 2.5M less votes than McLame did in 2008.

Posted by: Saxinis at November 08, 2012 10:30 AM (URjrq)

3 No way Obama can claim a mandate if he only ends up winning 50 to 49. Grow a pair Boehner

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 10:32 AM (t4nf+)

4 We can't change anything, we are in for eithe the slow decline of Europe or a quick crash. And even after we will be outnumbered. I don't really get how people think it wil get better after some huge dollar crash.

To quote Kevin Neiland "no. It's bad. It's all bad"

Posted by: Mr pink at November 08, 2012 10:32 AM (EQT2D)

5 ORCA failed. I was there. I saw it fail in real time.

But the election was also stolen.

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2012 10:32 AM (I2LwF)

6 Blame "hispanics". Yeah, that'll work...

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 10:33 AM (LwGY+)

7 It's not just that lateeenos are socially conservative and natural R voters. The open border Republicans like Linda Chavez define them as some sort of super moral species. Point out the out of wedlock birthrates and the left wing attitudes of the Catholic Church and you are, of course, racist.

Posted by: ejo at November 08, 2012 10:33 AM (GXvSO)

8 What can't continue, ($$$), won't. Simple math.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 10:33 AM (GFM2b)

9 Actually, if you look at any chart that shows educational achievement, they are below average.

Posted by: ejo at November 08, 2012 10:34 AM (GXvSO)

10 We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up.

Posted by: Miss Lindsay Graham at November 08, 2012 10:34 AM (bAGA/)

11 I don't know why people see latinos as conservative. Yes, a number of them have businesses but a greater number are either on the gov teat via state and local gov jobs or are on welfare. They are popping out kids right and left and their kids do horrible in school.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 08, 2012 10:35 AM (C4dFv)

12 is America still a center-Right nation?

We're a Fascist nation. Economy in private hands on paper, but in practice 100% controlled by the government. Totalitarian central government tells you what to eat, how to furnish your house, what your church can believe, and punishes those who don't comply.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 10:35 AM (/kI1Q)

13 Unmarried Women Voters under 30 broke to the Won in bigger #s than last time, and folks want to moan @ "immigrants". Keep flucki'n that chicken.

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 10:35 AM (LwGY+)

14 add "and" between UW "Voters"...

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 10:36 AM (LwGY+)

15 As I wrote in the previous post:

How can we possibly take back the culture if the Marxists in the school systems poison our children against us, as they have been doing now for well over 40 years?!

You will never win the culture battle if the other side is raised from kindergarten to post-doctorate to believe that you are not different or wrong or misguided, but inherently EVIL and must be destroyed?!

IT"S THE SCHOOLS, STUPID.
ALWAYS WAS. ALWAYS WILL BE.
AND WE WILL NEVER GET THEM BACK.

THE END.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 10:37 AM (vCK/R)

16 This is the final nail in the coffin of America, placed by "Feminism".

Why do so many young people favor big government? Because they are thinking like women, and seeking someone, ANYONE to protect them from reality.

There's no way to fix that until the government no longer looks like the ultimate alpha male and everything falls back to individualism by necessity.

I was hoping that we could turn the ship around, but all we can do is wait for the iceberg. Obama's going to call for engines ahead flank.

Conservatives will survive the fall. We know how to grow and hunt our own food. We know how to build and fix things.

Liberals, largely, do not.

Posted by: brian at November 08, 2012 10:37 AM (y05cf)

17 major reason why hispanics do not vote R is the race card. MSM has demonized the GOP as racist at every opportunity. That is why the GOP brand will have to go away .... there is no saving it.. amnesty , nope... minority candidates, nope .... the damage has already been done.

Posted by: ET at November 08, 2012 10:38 AM (s72/N)

18 I don't care, won't be here, but the Republicans calling for amnesty are idiots. Look at how many more south Texas counties went blue this year. Amnesty will only turn Texas purple and then blue faster.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 08, 2012 10:38 AM (SDkq3)

19 Shit. You mean my "Operation Charo" won't work?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 08, 2012 10:38 AM (mg08E)

20 Gonna have to burn this ville to save it. Bring on the collapse.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 10:38 AM (/i+eU)

21 What's funny is ok yes we all can't continue to spend this money. We all agree. But do you think these people will stop fighting over your slice of an ever and ever smaller pie? No. So the dollar tanks and we have a stock market crash like in the 1930s. The people will just start whining more and more, and blaming the guy with more shit for not giving it to them. These people do not have the same morals as conservatives. I'm sick personally of trying to rationalize the irrational. They don't think like I do. Obviously that they don't vote the way I do goes without saying

Posted by: Mr pink at November 08, 2012 10:38 AM (EQT2D)

22 FDR may have won the last seventeen elections and may win the next four. But after that I will will. Forever.

Posted by: Math at November 08, 2012 10:39 AM (46Ckm)

23 In other words...it's over. We're done.

Posted by: Deadline at November 08, 2012 10:39 AM (odbeH)

24 The simple fact of the matter is that the country has changed for the worse, it's not going to recover and we are in for a sudden and shocking crash.

We are 16Trillion dollars in debt, we have stimulus baked into the continuing resolutions, we will have no budget for the next 4 years and Harry Reid has promised to do away with the filibuster.

Oh and crying Boehner has signaled he will do tax increases, er, revenue enhancements!

Oh and Obama will be naming Supreme Court justices in his next term to enshrine Marxism.

There is no pulling this country back.

IT IS LOST!

IT IS ALL LOST!


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 08, 2012 10:39 AM (06lNq)

25 No way Obama can claim a mandate if he only ends up winning 50 to 49. Grow a pair Boehner


Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 10:32 AM


Obama doesn't need to "claim a mandate." He has so-called people like Hairy Reid and the MFM to do it for him.

Since it is already apparent that Our Side is going to treat allegations of massive election fraud as they did demands to see the Traitor-in-Chief's birth certificate, we can spend the next four years anal-yzing Why We Lost and looking for the Ideal Candidate.

Why not a vibrant, dynamic leader like T-Paw? He was Poppin' Fresh's BFF and presidential choice, after all....

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 10:39 AM (yKUrR)

26 Good news, everybody! Because the House is in GOP hands but the Senate is in Dem hands, your carbon taxes and gun laws will be modified based on treaty ratification.


So there's that to look forward to.

Posted by: SARDiver at November 08, 2012 10:39 AM (xiXJp)

27 Of course, I write a post,m nood thread. I am going to double post. It's the Q.

But maybe not - in full, you are saying what I have been saying for a while. The electorate is unserious. So they voted for unserious leadership. And its been that way for a while - since 2006. Think about it - John Kerry was a dope but at least he was a serious dope. Democrats in Congress are a clown college. And Barky is Jon Stewart with a tan.

That is what we (not you and me, but the electorate at large) want. We want to hear the President on Pimp with a Limp and on the View and making bracket picks. Romney and Ryan are serious people. And we just aren't interested in that.

And now, think on this. It isn't just on the Left where this is the case. There is a reason why Sarah Palin was so popular, and why McCain (that ticket) got more votes. I am not saying that Palin is unserious, but she isn't *all* serious. She is a fun person, she's attractive and wears Sexy Monkey pumps or whatever. There is a reason why people camped out overnight to see her. We made fun of Obama's celebrity status, but that is what people like.

So, I go back to what I've said before - next time, we run Biz Markie.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 08, 2012 10:40 AM (NuQ2+)

28
That's why I've been such a gloomy Gus. I think leftism is entrenched now, I suspect full blown amnesty is on the horizon and I await the influx of unskilled, poor left wing immigrants which will forever change the nation for teh worse.

Assuming that at some point there is a monumental crash freedom and liberty will be the scapegoats and teh only reasonable response from the Gov't will be more Gov't. I'm focusing on me, my family and local community from here on out. Yep, I surrender.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 08, 2012 10:41 AM (+4mBJ)

29 Gee, aren't you late to the realization that Hispanics are a threat to the nation. And Marco Rubio wants more of them.

Posted by: Federale at November 08, 2012 10:41 AM (nAKXq)

30 3 names: Akin, Morudock, and Koster. The US Senate would've been looking very different now if not for those blithering idiots. I'm looking at various exit poll analysis and coming back from the cliff a bit. Just a little bit, but back nonetheless.
It was a disaster at the national level, but not so much at the state level (except California -- that is gone, a disaster, a wasteland). Why is that? We're at a post-2000 high of governors, and won supermajorites in a few state legislatures.
O's re-election may be just more the raw power of incumbency, and the president is the biggest one of them all, and one playing Santa Claus big time. It looks bad demographically at the national level, but a large component may just the incumbent turning out his FSA.
We need to just calm down, let the shock wear off, and then see what the real lay of the land is.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at November 08, 2012 10:41 AM (VVB18)

31 20 Gonna have to burn this ville to save it. Bring on the collapse.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 08, 2012 10:38 AM (/i+eU)


THIS.

Ultimately when people are in the dark and shivering because of the EPA, when $10 million dollars buys a loaf of bread (if wheat is still used for food and not fuel), when you are hauled off to jail for politically incorrect speech, when you have to wait 6 months to see a specialist for a knee replacement and are denied because you are too old... and on and on...

Then and only then will we be able to take back the country and try to reassemble what has been broken.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 10:41 AM (vCK/R)

32 1. Did Romney’s vaunted ORCA get out the vote program crap the bed?


That should be self-evident

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 10:41 AM (YdQQY)

33 Let it all burn, watch the left suffer. This isn't America, this is an enemy nation of anti-American forces whose diet is hate, ugliness, and stupidity.

Why should we even try? The coasts are permanently lost, they have been non-American for decades. Cut them off. A union that includes enemies is no union - it's a prison.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 08, 2012 10:42 AM (jZn+7)

34 J.J. Sefton: In CA, they keep raising taxes for schools while the school population has dropped drastically. This is because a good number of illegals have skedalled back across the border due to our crappy economy. Still, the teachers unions demand money "for the children."

Posted by: Walkers! at November 08, 2012 10:42 AM (C4dFv)

35 Part of it might also have been that Romney kept insisting that he was PROUD of "Romneycare" in Massachusetts.

A lot of people who wanted to see Obamacare overturned simply didn't believe him when he said that he would get rid of it.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 08, 2012 10:42 AM (P6H+d)

36 2. Have the demographics of the country changed so much that, at least
in Presidential elections, the Republican coalition simply doomed as
presently constructed?



NO, we lost because a large part of the base stayed at home in swing States.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 10:42 AM (YdQQY)

37 The ORCA app was down for 2-3 hours and we (there were 3 volunteers) started calling in the strike lists. It was hard to hear all the names. And the paper lists were more comprehensive than the app ones.

Posted by: xuyee at November 08, 2012 10:43 AM (/QiO2)

38 >>And assimilation over time doesn’t seem to change that.<<

How the hell would we know? We don't do assimilation anymore. No one, especially our public schools, teaches anyone to be an American citizen anymore. Well, maybe the military to a degree does but nodamnbody else does.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 10:43 AM (qEkGZ)

39
It's really time to start talking divorce. The velvet kind, if possible, before we get to the point where we're killing each other. Over the last century, we've slowly compromised away so much of what made the US a great nation. There's nothing much left to give without completely obscuring any memory of our Constitutional Republic.

I mean, think how happy it would make Chris Matthews if conservatives were out of his hair forever. It would be like the bestest birthday present ever.

Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 10:43 AM (4I3Uo)

40 Health Care Rationing: The American Way?

My heart is breaking

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 10:44 AM (79ueO)

41 Which part of any of this makes them as a group, "natural conservatives/Republicans"? It's an honest question.

It doesn't, and the studies you've shown express exactly what I have been saying over these past few days.

Think about it, if you a legal immigrant from Latin America, they come from a region of poor countries where out of self preservation people rely on the Governments somewhat

They make the economic calculation that they can make more money and have a better lifestyle be being here and so they come.

Because they take in all of the crappy parts of American pop culture like we do, they come to see the traditional parts of their upbringing as vestiges of their colonizers (this is why Hispanics are leaving the Catholic Church in droves once reaching America looking at studies).

We could go full blown pro-amnesty and immigration reform from now on and in the end we won't make a dent out of their vote because they are no binded to the Democrats and because making a dent would require us to promise them more Free stuff.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 10:44 AM (i3OIF)

42 I participated in ORCA (worked a strike list at my polling place) and didn't notice any issues.

Posted by: Chris at November 08, 2012 10:44 AM (gI9Bk)

43 I can't wait for Obama voters and especially women, to honestly ask themselves after 4 more years, what has Obama really done for me?

Posted by: teebone at November 08, 2012 10:44 AM (YtLSL)

44 1. Early anecdotal evidence is that yes, Romney’s get out the vote
plan/program failed miserably. I don’t have a link yet but I’ve heard
from several people involved that it didn’t work as planned. It’s
something that a lot of people will be talking about in the weeks to
come.



Look at the vote totals for OH and VA that I put up in the headline thread. Those are the States that put Obama over the top. With the Dems keeping NY and CA in their back pocket we have to have 2 of 3 on FL, VA, and OH. We lost all 3. And although I( didn't check FL because it was all over before they were counted, Republican turnout in VA and OH was down.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 10:44 AM (YdQQY)

45 That is what we (not you and me, but the electorate at large) want. We
want to hear the President on Pimp with a Limp and on the View and
making bracket picks. Romney and Ryan are serious people. And we just
aren't interested in that.


Big Bird. People over the age of 18 who care about Big Bird more than they care about finding a job.

Nominating a Spanish-speaking candidate isn't going to change that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 10:45 AM (/kI1Q)

46 Mr. Math remember the comforting reminder I gaveeveryone in the long run.

Posted by: John Maynard Keynes at November 08, 2012 10:45 AM (46Ckm)

47 Are twenty somethings that happy to be sitting in the parent's homes with no jobs?

Posted by: ejo at November 08, 2012 10:45 AM (GXvSO)

48 20

Amen. Burn it to the ground.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 10:45 AM (GFM2b)

49 I personally don't care any longer. If a nation is full of stupid people, I'm not going to blame us for not realizing how dumb they are. I mean, this is seriously dumb stuff. Just my opinion.

I am curious about the turnout however. Weird. And I have words for Gary Johnson and Chris Christy but I will restrain myself.

My fear is with a second Obama term this is all academic.

Obama catered to really stupid people which this country is teeming with apparently. Stupid people elect what they deserve. Unfortunately that also impacts the rest of us.

This country has undergone deep cultural rot. That is what we have to fight against.

All that being said, without a bootlicking media, Obama would have been toast. They are the biggest culprits and the most dangerous groups. They touted Obama's stupidity agenda and blocked all efforts at republican rebuttal.

I refuse to blame Mitt Romney after the fact. I'm not sure anyone else could have one. Actually, I'm pretty certain he was our best bet.

I will always admire Romney and Ryan for what they displayed this election cycle. America didn't want decency, goodness, and competence. They have down the wind. They will reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: Chique d'afrique in her phone at November 08, 2012 10:45 AM (6zgse)

50 A quick thought on all the talk about outreach: stop talking about targeting this group or that group, work on everybody. There were people that honestly believed Republicans are pro-rape, out to ban vaginas, whatever. Yeah, those people are stupid, but in deep blue areas the only thing they know about conservatives or Republicans are the negative stereotypes. It couldn't be that expensive to run a low-key ad campaign (radio ads, billboards, posters on mass transit) to push some positive facts, show that minorities can be Republican, etc. Skip the red areas, but put it in every purple-to-blue part of the country. Will it change many votes? Maybe not, but if they can learn to see someone other than a Democrat as something other than a punchline or bogey man it can only hope. In red areas, media/hollywood/public education gets the Democrat message out. We need to do something to balance that, and we can't wait for some possible future where the cultural establishment stops being the liberal Gestapo.

Posted by: Brad at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (zTZGo)

51 NO, we lost because a large part of the base stayed at home in swing States.
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 10:42 AM (YdQQY)

If "the base stayed home" with Obama on the ballot after the last four years, they ain't never coming out. That's not a base, that's quicksand.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (x8U/s)

52 Kinda depressing to see the future of America...there is not one.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (46Ckm)

53 As for pandering to "Hispanics" I think it is a losing proposition. We can not out liberal Democrats. We should put out sound small government conservative principles and tell all ethnic groups they are welcome to the Party if they support those principles.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (YdQQY)

54 I volunteered for ORCA, took the training, then never heard another word. Went to the Victory FAIL Center on election day with Junior and made calls (and met Paul Ryan which was cool).

I think there's a lot to be said for starting to lay the foundation for a post crash philosophy. Until then, "Let it Burn".

Posted by: VA Gator at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (ZZiTD)

55 The left really does not want to fix the immigration problem. Having a continued source of illegals every year guarantees that the group as a whole will be easier to radicalize as a poor grievance class. You settle the immigration issue for Hispanics and in 2-3 generations you will have more settling into the middle class with a larger stake in how well the country is governed.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (RteAT)

56 1. ORCA misread the electorate and perceived this as a referendum election, while the media (headed by Orca herself) would make goddamn sure that never happened.

2. Plenty of conservatives sat home. Until you nominate a candidate who can passionately argue for the party's ideals, you will lose them, swing voters and emerging demographics like the indoctrinated youth and the dependent classes, primarily single mothers and Hispanics.

3. Obama drew a big distinction between himself and his opponent, who attacked the Governor of Texas as a bleeding heart liberal for arguing that children who are brought to this country and excel in school should get the same instate tuition rates as their classmates, making them productive citizens v. welfare burdens on the state. Self deportation sounds pretty assholish and blatantly offensive.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (i0vBR)

57 I don't know why people are so confused.Historically Hispanics are the most ardent supporters of socialism or even communism.just look at the history of any Latin country for the last hundred years

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (qEts0)

58 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (/eBe8)

59 47 Are twenty somethings that happy to be sitting in the parent's homes with no jobs?
Posted by: ejo at November 08, 2012 10:45 AM (GXvSO)

I would think that the worthless educations they received since the age of 6 would tell them, yes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (vCK/R)

60 Let me propound on the seriousness angle again. There is of course Jon Stewart v "The News." Or more like it, Jon Stewart *is* the news. MSNBC is all clown shows. Those people aren't serious. Alan Grayson in Congress, Allen West, out. Michelle Bachmann, a lot of people compare her to Sarah Palin, but she's too serious.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (NuQ2+)

61 I realized a few weeks ago why I'm pissed.

Beyond all of the reasons you have, dear reader, I'm pissed that I have to spend so much of my time - of my life - defending my liberty from this organization we call government.

I don't have to actively defend - daily! - against assaults on my freedom from McDonalds, from my bowling league, from my church, from my friends....from any organization except the gov't. And this waste of time/life should not have to happen but I/we are fighting it every damn day.

I'm pissed off and fed up.

Don't come looking to me for a solution; you wouldn't like it in the mood I'm in.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (X/+QT)

62 Some say the passage of prop 187 in ca in 1990's was when Hispanics came to believe that the GOP is racist. Not sure I buy it, but some say it.

Posted by: California red at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (DXTKe)

63 If "the base stayed home" with Obama on the ballot after the last four years, they ain't never coming out. That's not a base, that's quicksand.
Posted by: DrewM. at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (x8U/s)


If that's the base, the base sucks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (79ueO)

64
I work construction and because of that with a lot of mexicans. You aren't going to change their desire for big government. It isn't going to happen, they come here because of rumors of big government helping them. They don't have that at home, they leave squalid conditions for a chance to come here and work but also a chance for unemployment insurance, medical insurance, social security, welfare and education for their kids. They don't have that stuff where they come from and they beleive that in America it just happens. They have no idea of the cost or unsustainabity.

They have no problem requiring the rich to fork over the money to pay for these benefits and by rich I mean 100k. The American dream for them isn't just getting a job, it's all the big government stuff that we already offer. What we already offer is like paradise to someone who came from a country that doesn't even have a decent school available to them.

You aren't going to talk them out of wanting and voting for it.

Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (rTgOf)

65 I can't wait for Obama voters and especially women, to honestly ask
themselves after 4 more years, what has Obama really done for me?


I'm not sure they're capable of even formulating the question.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (/kI1Q)

66 12 is America still a center-Right nation?

We're a Fascist nation. Economy in private hands on paper, but in practice 100% controlled by the government. Totalitarian central government tells you what to eat, how to furnish your house, what your church can believe, and punishes those who don't comply.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants


That is what it's looking like to me.

Posted by: backhoe at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (ULH4o)

67
52 Kinda depressing to see the future of America...theris not one.

That was my vision.

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (46Ckm)

68 There's no point in concerning ourselves with elections any more. Many people in third-world shitholes know better than to concern themselves with elections.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (IoNBC)

69 It is a turn out game, like it always was, and we failed it.
Our policies don't have to change, but yes, our explanation of them needs too.


hehe....remember how we mock the left for thier "messaging" memes? Perhaps there is more to it than we think.

Posted by: MrShad at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (Xqfwb)

70 41-nope, Linda Chavez has told me they are super traditional and have morals beyond the comprehension of you half witted anglo pigs.

Posted by: ejo at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (GXvSO)

71 "1. Did Romney’s vaunted ORCA get out the vote program crap the bed?"

I can't remember where I read it yesterday, but someone commented that the Romney campaign were extraordinarily tightfisted with getting information out to precinct captains in the traditional way. They seem to have wanted everything centralized and run via headquarters.

One precinct captain actually did get the voter list and conducted a traditional low-tech doorwalking operation that apparently worked a lot better than the high tech ORCA did.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (ymG7s)

72 Reid is doing away with the filibuster for one reason: court and judge appointments

They are going for permanent ownership of all three branches. They have played and won the long game. The only thing they can't control is us, but... it's coming.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (ufyMw)

73 Tick tock...

Posted by: Fiscal Cliff at November 08, 2012 10:49 AM (5iuEW)

74
57
Precisely

Posted by: BuckIV at November 08, 2012 10:50 AM (+4mBJ)

75 41-nope, Linda Chavez has told me they are super traditional and have morals beyond the comprehension of you half witted anglo pigs.
Posted by: ejo at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (GXvSO)

That's the problem.

Many of them used to have morals, just as many White Protestants or Catholics used to have morals.

The culture has been poisoned and Hispanic Immigrants coming to this country are not going to be immune to that.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 10:50 AM (i3OIF)

76 We don't own the culture because we ceded the schools and the media to the Left. So by and large, they wind up owning the young skulls full of mush, no matter what color they are or how smart they are. It is not cool to be a Conservative and so they avoid it like the plague.

But, stop blaming FDR. LBJ owns this. He escalated the Viet Nam war and yet the war somehow became the fault of Conservatives because they ran the military and corporate America. He also co-opted the Civil Rights Movement from the Republicans. Then subsequent Democrat power brokers used it to destroy Black America through every escalating benefits that destroyed their families. They eliminated generational family groups by enticing them into new separate apartments in the projects instead of older and crowded family homes and replacing the Man of the Family with government benefits.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 08, 2012 10:50 AM (kXoT0)

77 67
52 Kinda depressing to see the future of America...theris not one.

That was my vision.Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at November 08, 2012 10:48 AM (46Ckm)And I am the one to bring that vision to fruition.

Posted by: Preezy Obamanation at November 08, 2012 10:50 AM (46Ckm)

78 If only we had a candidate that attracted Hispanics, women, youth, independents, and the conservative base....

Posted by: California red at November 08, 2012 10:50 AM (DXTKe)

79 Tick tock...
Posted by: Fiscal Cliff at November 08, 2012 10:49 AM (5iuEW)

So? obama won. Let him own it. Stand your ground!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 10:50 AM (79ueO)

80 As to ORCA, I have to agree it was a failure. I was signed up to be a poll watcher, was contacted by Romney people to see if I would participate. I said yes, heard nothing, emailed again, never got a response. I went to the local GOP HQ as I wasn't able to get an answer as to where to poll watch. Complete confusion, ORCA didnt communicate with them for poll assignments. There was not an official separate Romney operation in this county, unlike the precision operation for Bob McDonnell when he ran for VA governor. All calls we're being made from the middle of a noisy room, it looked like ten phones in all. We were inundated with pre-recorded calls from volunteers interspersed towards the end with a couple of "celebrity" calls, one of which was PAT BOONE.

Clueless.

Posted by: Museisluse at November 08, 2012 10:51 AM (SsWgR)

81 They are compassionate all right. Just ask all the dead bodies in Drug Lord controlled Mexico about all that fukkin compassion. Horse shit.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 10:51 AM (OlN4e)

82 Texas needs to cordon off about a 40 mile wide swath
along the Rio Grande and cede it back to Mexico...

Then mine a 5 mile stretch to stop them from coming in.....

Now - Texas needs to get out of the union and tell the libs to fuck off - they don't have the balls to take it back......and it will be a hell of a party if they try....

Posted by: izoneguy at November 08, 2012 10:51 AM (oKH8p)

83 It's really time to start talking divorce. The
velvet kind, if possible, before we get to the point where we're killing
each other. Over the last century, we've slowly compromised away so
much of what made the US a great nation. There's nothing much left to
give without completely obscuring any memory of our Constitutional
Republic.

I mean, think how happy it would make Chris Matthews if
conservatives were out of his hair forever. It would be like the
bestest birthday present ever.

Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 10:43 AM (4I3Uo)

If we could figure out how to make them think it was their idea, it might work, but who the hell do we have who is that politically skilled? No name comes to mind for me, that's for sure.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 10:51 AM (qEkGZ)

84 About the only thing I can say good about the coming catastrophes is that the same liberals who voted for this are going to be hit right in the face with it.

Oh, sure, the wealthy assholes and Hollywood imbeciles might not feel much, but the youth and other fools are going to be in the same world of hurt that we are. But we are going to laugh in their faces and say, 'fuck you asshole!' with glee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 10:52 AM (vCK/R)

85 "If 'the base stayed home' with Obama on the ballot after the last four years, they ain't never coming out. That's not a base, that's quicksand."

Think about it. Romney never repudiated Romneycare, said there were parts of Obamacare he wanted to keep, was nonspecific about what government he would cut and spoke derisively of the 47%, food stamp and welfare recipients and those having a tough time in the economy that tanked while spend-happy Bush was in office. You are losing the Reagan coalition, because this is now the Bush party.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 10:52 AM (i0vBR)

86 "I think conservatives need to stop focusing on elections for awhile, leave that to the Republicans."

I think conservatives need to recognize that political parties are the onlyvehicle by which conservative ideas can be implemented in the real world, where the rest of us live. Focusing upon and winning elections is the way this is accomplished. Everything else is a rambling bullshit session over beer and pizza.

I despise that 'I'm not a Republican, I'm acapital-C Conservative', or 'I'm a capital-L Libertarian.'News: I believe there is actually a 'Conservative Party', and a Libertarian Party, as well. You feel that way, pick one, join it, and make it competitive.Otherwise, do what you can to strengthen the Republican Party.

The Conservative Purity Brigade comes out in force every couple of years, proclaiming allegiance to high-minded ideals and denigrating all others as sell-outs, squishes,and RINOs. Opportunistic politicians like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson like wearing the Republican label when it suits them: GOP affiliation gives their often flaky ideas a mainstream legitimacy that those ideas otherwise wouldn't merit. The one commonality between the two is that 'True Conservatives' threaten to stay home when it counts, and self-identified Libertarians threaten to break off at any moment andsplit the ticket if they're not taken seriously.

I'm a Party of Lincoln Republican and consider myself a conservative on most matters, although more middle-of-the-road, live and let live on social issues, but I'm more than willing to sit under the big tent with those who might oppose some of my views but who happen to agree with me on first principles: limited government with national defense as first priority, fidelity to the intent of the Founders, individual self-determination, and free-market capitalism. If you're not willing to sit under the big tent, fine. Meanwhile, lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. Your choice.

Posted by: troyriser at November 08, 2012 10:52 AM (vtiE6)

87 Lets talk about all the compassion the hundreds of thousands of hispanics in bloody gangs across the country have. Seriously, horse shit.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 10:53 AM (OlN4e)

88 78 If only we had a candidate that attracted Hispanics, women, youth, independents, and the conservative base....
@@@@@@@

I'm worried that there's a major vetting issue with Rubio. He was the obvious veep pick.

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 08, 2012 10:53 AM (hyP1j)

89 "78 If only we had a candidate that attracted Hispanics, women, youth, independents, and the conservative base...."

Marco Rubio, your life is calling.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 10:54 AM (i0vBR)

90 The reasons Hispanics have Liberal views is because the GOP has not reached out to them. The Republicans have instead demonized Hispanics by calling them illegals and blaming them for everything wrong in the country. This creates an effect where they view us as the enemy.

Instead of whining and complaining about Hispanic voters, we need to build organizations to start winning them over. At one time White Catholics where heavily Democratic, the Republicans have chipped away at that.

We need to win hearts and minds, not demonize.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 10:54 AM (6Lik1)

91
Hispanic compassion ===========> we want free shit.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 10:54 AM (OlN4e)

92 I bet this has something to do with the Spanish language television programming. My wife, a conservative, is a native Spanish speaker and she, as well as a few of her friends, who watch channels like Univision, Telemundo, Azteca, etc. say that the news and talk shows are always portraying Republicans as the enemy. Even my wife's parents, who live in Los Angeles are conservative in just about every way, drink the kool-aid and always vote Democrat just because that's what you do if you aren't white.

Given the rise of the hispanic population and the rise of Spanish language programming that is partisan, I don't know how we'd ever "get" the hispanic vote. Perhaps a double latin ticket like Rubio/Martinez might do it but even then I think it would be hard to even get a majority of the hispanic vote.

Posted by: LoneConservativeInCA at November 08, 2012 10:54 AM (yVuTC)

93 If "the base stayed home" with Obama on the ballot
after the last four years, they ain't never coming out. That's not a
base, that's quicksand.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (x8U/s)


There have been a number of us wondering about this big time. It is a serious WTF moment. The only thing I can come up with is a LOT of the base decided they could not vote for Romney.


In fact during the primaries a number of posters here actually said that. I worried about it for States in the South like NC. But it looks like it was States in the mid-Atlantic and Midwest that were impacted because they were the most borderline. (Although NC came damn close to going down too)

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 10:54 AM (YdQQY)

94 I posted this below. It's a brief and excellent read by Cal Thomas on the Entitlement Class:

http://tinyurl.com/b938374

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 10:54 AM (UOM48)

95 Yeah, I think the best explanation for what happened is that the portion of the population that believes politics has failed grew substantially in the last four years.

I'm there now. Screw it. Let them have the state. It's going to go broke and it's going to fail. That doesn't mean all is lost and that our country is over. Nothing is over. You're going to wake up the next and with nothing to do if you think that.

Start preparing for what comes next.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 10:54 AM (J4gw3)

96 So basically, Hispanics largely mostly prefer the Third World dictatorships they left only with a slightly better opportunity to receive hand-outs, better security and a splash of gay-marriage thrown in- ole'!

And comparing election results to the aforementioned I would say their assimilation is going just fine. They apparently now look like the a majority of America.

Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (GGCsk)

97 @ 87 maddogg

There were vicious White gangs in the early 20th century. Does the Mafia ring a bell? It's your bigoted attitude why Hispanics vote for the Democrats. People like you need to be driven out of the GOP.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (6Lik1)

98 Shorter version: We're fucked.

I always knew pandering on immigration was never going to get us Hispanics. Hispanics are socialists by nature, look at the countries they come from. They bring their ideology with them. They work hard but they want a large social safety net also.

There is nothing that can stop their demographic growth and nothing we can do to change their ideology. California is the future. We are on the way to becoming a one party country, that is it. The more people vote for Democrats, the more the wobbly ones will join their ranks. It is going to happen very fast.

I would be shocked if we didn't lose the House in the 2014 mid-terms. I don't think it will even matter how bad things are, Lefties are great at blaming others and their followers are more than happy to go along with that. We aren't dealing in a fact-based world anymore so Conservatives are going to be at a disadvantage there.

Whatever case we make by citing evidence will be dismissed as propaganda put out by greedy, selfish people. Tyranny is the ultimate destination of mankind, it always has been. We lived through a brief era of freedom so I guess we were lucky in that regard. It's over. Live out your lives the best you can knowing your kids will live in a shitty, Socialist world.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (x0g8a)

99 Center right? I think we passed that a long time ago. Let It Burn, so we can expedite the crash and get to work picking up the pieces worth saving and get us back on track!

I am switching from the Repubicans (sic) and from now on will be registered as a card carrying member of the Survivalist party.

The sooner we hit rock bottom the sooner we can truly recover and save our beloved country.

Posted by: Jimmy at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (vidCg)

100 They don't have to change our minds to win. They just have to impoverish us all, so that we are forced to accept big government to survive. It reminds me of the story of Stalin plucking a bird bald of feathers and then saying, see how it clings to my hand for warmth even after I have taken everything away from it? (big paraphrase)

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (RteAT)

101 88 Rubio wanted to run for the top job, not drag Romney's ass toward the finish line. Look where that got Palin.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (i0vBR)

102 3. Obama drew a big distinction between himself and his opponent, who
attacked the Governor of Texas as a bleeding heart liberal for arguing
that children who are brought to this country and excel in school should
get the same instate tuition rates as their classmates, making them
productive citizens v. welfare burdens on the state. Self deportation
sounds pretty assholish and blatantly offensive.


This may be the one place where we can make some headway.

A lot of people come here illegally. Many of them really do it "to find a better life" and no, not *all* of them are doing it because we have better government hand-outs.

A lot of legal aliens know people, or think they know people, who are in that boat. So when we talk about deportation, they immediately think of Uncle Joe who came over illegally, but is really just trying to make a better life than he had in Mexico, or Columbia, or wherever.

Conservatives may not like it, but the Texas DREAM Act was a good political move, and not really a terrible policy move. It took the argument of "kids who were brought here by their parents" off the table. Rubio's DREAM act was significantly worse, but still better than what Obama did.

Conservatives win on immigration when we talk about "secure the border" and treat it as a National Defense issue. "Hey, we have to secure the border because Al Qaida." "Hey, we have to secure the border because someone is taking jobs away from American Citizens and legal immigrants" is a loser.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (/eBe8)

103 This is what Americans want. A nation of greedy takers bent on revenge. I no longer see Hispanics as God loving people who want a better life for their families. The left and their rag tag band will have a long run. They voted for free stuff and revenge and could care less about the country or the price that will be exacted for this porgy of indulgence.

Posted by: gracepmc at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (4yR39)

104 When speaking of Latino immigrants, I think you're dealing with two types:

1) The ones who truly just want opportunities to prosper,

and

2) Those who come for freebies.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (W5c4e)

105 If only we had a candidate that attracted Hispanics, women, youth, independents, and the conservative base....

Impossible. Those groups all want incompatible things.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (/kI1Q)

106 A government official in Burma says President Barack Obama will visit the Southeast Asian country later this month.
It would be the first-ever visit to Burma by an American president.
The official speaking from the capital Naypyitaw said Thursday that security for a visit on Nov. 18 or 19 have been prepared but the schedule is not final. He asked not to be named because he is not authorized to give information to the press.
U.S. officials have not yet announced any plans for a visit.
Obama's administration has sought to encourage the recent democratic progress in Burma by easing sanctions applied against its previous military regime.


Visit Israel: Not so much

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (79ueO)

107 Start preparing for what comes next.


Underground economy, baby!!

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (IoNBC)

108 @ 96 Marcus

Let's see when brought in Europeans, do you think they would vote Republican? Nope, they come from Socialist nations.

We need to win converts, not demonize groups.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (CX71c)

109 Now Democratic power brokers are convincing Hispanics using the same tactics. They are also encouraging them to not assimilate and thus remain the next group on the Dim plantation. None of the is is rocket science. It is easy to take ignorant desparate people and bend them to your will. They will then give you their children through family pressure. The Jews do it. The Blacks do it. They train their youngsters that Republicans are evil and the media just reinforces it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (kXoT0)

110 I think conservatives need to stop focusing on elections for awhile, leave that to the Republicans. We need to find a way to make the eternal values we believe in relevant and palatable to a wider segment of the population. We should realize that this is a long term, multi-front war.

THANK YOU.

Stop fiddling with politics. We don't have the facts on the ground for that to draw on. Go back to your churches, your schools, the Scouts, your community groups. Crack open the media, create parallel outlets of all kinds. Take control of TV and radio stations and newspapers (declining, yes, but NOT DEAD YET). Get back into people's eyes and ears, then the hearts and minds.

This will be a long fight. It took a century for us to get here; it will take at least that long to get back. It may be a new nation--or several nations--that we eventually win, but if any of these values mean a damn thing, that's what we have to do.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (GBXon)

111
Brad and GG have hit home runs here that the "conservatives" don't wish to hear.
The fact is that the Republican party has stupidly abandoned popular culture, media, etc. (and the "but they don't like us" line is the whine of a sniveling coward).
Engage the populace. Late night TV. Various web channels. Make appearances. Yuk it up w/the hosts. Be of good cheer. Get out shake hands. (which Mitt finally did @ 3 weeks out). Trust me when I say that if you're sitting across the desk from someone, they won't insult you for long, but if you run away, whining that "it's not fair", well, you're a target. And won't get many votes...

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (LwGY+)

112 short version:
Pat Buchanan was right.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (i8u8P)

113 The irony is that the Republicans aren't the party of the rich, but the party of the "rich that you know."

We're the party of doctors (but not lawyers), the guy who owns 3 McDonald's franchises, the woman who owns the bodega, etc.

For all of these class-warfare types, they always worship the celebrity rich or the monstrously rich.

So I guess if you resent the rich, you don't resent Jay-Z or Steve Jobs, but you resent the optometrist in the big house in that new development.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (T0NGe)

114 Again and again, I'll say that the battle is being lost in our schools and educational institutions.

And yes, our cultural media.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (W5c4e)

115 For those of you saying that supporting amnesty for illegals will win the Hispanic vote, you are wrong. McCain was Mr. Amnesty and his support among Hispanics was no better. They don't like Republican economic policies and they are moving left on social issues too. Don't kid yourselves.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (x0g8a)

116 This election was the best example about why we need strict immigration controls. Unfortunately that chance has long since expired.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (79ueO)

117 @ 104 I think I'll s

Correct and that applies to any group coming here. The GOP needs to target group #1.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (CX71c)

118 96 They're raised in a patron system and want their free money. There is no alternative. Can't say I blame them.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (i0vBR)

119 Unfortunately, I can't laugh with glee in the face of my 9 and 6 year old kids when the shit hits the fan. I get to provide them with less support to pay for Jose and Peggy's free phones and other free government goodies, instead. Guess who gets priority in the New America (You know, the carcass of the country built by those filthy white males that the parasites are consuming).

Posted by: ejo at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (GXvSO)

120
As others have said, we are not a Conservative country. We haven't been since FDR and later LBJ. The cities rule their states. Look at PA. The majority of the state area-wise went for Romney by good margins. But two cities dominated...Phillie and Pittsburgh, geez Phillie went 84% for Obama. They basically told the rest of the state to piss off. And why did they vote for Obama? Not because of Gay marriage or women's rights or abortion or race, They voted to keep their freebies as they see them. They don't care who pays for them as long as they don't. They see it as a right.It's been 70 years and it's entrenched. The time for anyone to stop it may be past.
These people will never vote Conservative or Republican. We are the evil, racist, rich people who hate minorities, the poor, women, and the middle class. I have heard that my entire life, and I'm ancient. Romney's 47% comment doomed him, no one wants to hear that. We have allowed this to happen and now it is a juggernaut that may be unstoppable. It will die of course, when the well runs dry. But like a cold virus it will have to run it's course.
It's not the economy, stupid. It's the voters.

Posted by: Deanna at November 08, 2012 10:57 AM (+npP4)

121
If "the base stayed home" with Obama on the
ballot after the last four years, they ain't never coming out. That's
not a base, that's quicksand.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 08, 2012 10:46 AM (x8U/s)


This, a thousand, thousand times. If they stay home even through Benghazi, Obamacare, BAIPA (from Illinois), AARA, "flexibility", a run-amok EPA, and Lord-knows-what-else that I have forgotten, they are not showing up for anything less than the second coming of George Washington. Or Reagan, one of the two.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (Qb0jI)

122 103 Posted by: gracepmc at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (4yR39)

The run that the left will have will last until our money and all the groceries run out.

Then, they can eat themselves. I hope the left die, en masse in fiery agony. Fuck them for destroying my beautiful country. G-d damn them to Hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (vCK/R)

123 There were vicious White gangs in the early 20th century. Does the Mafia ring a bell?

Italians weren't considered "white" in the early 20th century.

Sucks to be them, and the Slavs...they didn't get to be white until "white = bad."

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (/kI1Q)

124 Oh and gird your loins.

Boehner is going to cave on spending. There are already signs he is negotiating us away.

So don't expect any help on making folks see the cash register is empty and Obama was just kidding.

Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (GGCsk)

125
Talking heads/bloggers spend the campaign denigrating SoCons and wake up the next morning scratching their heads, wondering why 5 million votes disappeared.

Some folks are so smart that they become idiots.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (tOkJB)

126
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 10:55 AM (6Lik1)




Fuck you Hector. I grew up with Hispanics, went to school with hispanics, dated hispanic girls, my sister married a hispanic man. What you need to do is shoot yourself in that vacuum you have for a head.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (OlN4e)

127 I look at my kids and cry inside: They will never know the America I grew up in.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (79ueO)

128 @ 115 Ken Royall

They don't like the GOP's perceived hostility towards them. That;'s what Republicans need to grasp.. It's not about amnesty or who we run, it's the hostility too many Republicans have for Hispanics.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (TVbdM)

129 "..you can’t cut a deal with a party that is always willing to play Santa Claus and one up you."

Exactly. People want their free shit and they'll vote for the people that will give it to them. NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS. That's the lesson of this election. We are a entitlement nation - everything should be yours and you should have it right now. It is your right and government will make sure you get what is "yours".

We cannot compete with that mentality any more than we can reason with a 3 year old. It simply cannot be done. I'm riding my job until the layoff (gotta happen within the next year or so if I read the tea leaves correctly) and then I'm going on unemployment and then welfare/foodstamps and whatever else they'll give. After that, social security and medicare baby! I'm not working any more, going to go exercise my constitutional right to be a international man of leisure.

Posted by: Gary at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (NcPNm)

130
Kinda depressing to see the future of America...there is not one.
Posted by: Minuteman




Thing of it is, if the evolutionary niche that has opened is for a parasite that lives off government, I know I -- and most conservatives, can understand and exploit any system far better than some ganja spiffing Film Studies major. Approach getting your trotters in the trough as your new job/hobby.

BRB - applying for disability and grad school.



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (kdS6q)

131 Welcome to Thunder Dome.

Posted by: America Fuck Yeah! at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (3p/jD)

132
We really aren't a center right nation if you grew up after the mid 1960s. Most of my teachers were leftys in high school. And all but maybe two were in college. If there was a Republican teaching law school it must have been in the basement.

The media has been 85% Democrat for most of my life. I can name the Hollywood Republicans on my hands and feet. Thanks to Stacey Dash I'm on my second foot.

You can't lose the popular culture, media, and educaton and win the politics.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (sOtz/)

133 The ORCA fail may have had something to do with it, but it's not the sole reason for the lower turnout. It might not even be the biggest reason.

An election against an incumbent might be a referendum on his policies, but you still need an opponent people want to vote for. People might prefer Ham Sandwich to Obama when asked, but that doesn't mean they'll wait in line to vote the pork and cheese ticket.

Romney was very qualified and presidential, but lost for many of the same reasons Kerry did against a vulnerable incumbent- people just couldn't relate to him.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (SY2Kh)

134 >>>>Underground economy, baby!!

Seriously, this system of government has a few years left - at best.

Math, remember? We all got caught up in winning so that we could right the ship, but that was never possible. We're witnessing a two hundred years cycle come to an end. You don't change that with an election or two.

Start thinking about the next system.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (J4gw3)

135 As an ORCA project member, it certainly did fail - big time. I am many others never were able to log into the app. Some folks were assigned precincts hours away from home (incorrectly) and new precincts were never assigned. Many who signed up and went through training never received an assignment and on and on.

As far as Hispanics go, I never understood why we felt we could get them. Other than the Cubans, these folks come from socialist countries and didn't mind the socialism - they just wanted more money. They won't be sold on personal responsibility, that isn't who they are. Asians on the other hand really surprise me. Not to play stereotypes, but Asians tend to be hard working folks. They come here to better themselves and aren't looking for a handout. I would really like to see someone do some work and find out the whys of that one.

Changing our beliefs to bring in Hispanics will do nothing but alienate the solid voting block of the base. The base is fiscal conservatism, small government, etc. These folks don't want that and won't be convinced that they do. If the GOP changes in the way many claim to want now, they should just merge with the Dems.

Posted by: Paula at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (IJNpz)

136 Some ragpickers do quite well for themselves in third-world shitholes.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 11:00 AM (IoNBC)

137 I think everyone's ignoring the obvious, this was a social issues election, the left came out to vote for gay marriage, climate change, weed, etc, has nothing to do with demographics, if those are your issues it doesn't matter what race you are. In other words, the people who voted for Obama are those who aren't feeling the bad economy, youth vote, welfare crowd and so on, they vote for their little politically correct pet issues and to keep their government checks flowing. What we should be alarmed about is that there's now enough of them that they can use government to enslave those of us who do work and do get hit by the bad economy.

Posted by: booger at November 08, 2012 11:00 AM (HI6wa)

138
Socialism always fails. Therefore, we are anti-socialists.


I don't see a lot of soul searching to be done here. Either this is a dumbfuck socialist country or there was massive fraud.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 08, 2012 11:00 AM (xXhWA)

139 ORCA failed. I was there. I saw it fail in real time.



But the election was also stolen.



I concur on both. Not sure we completely lost on shenanigans, but when even the UN is surprised at your corruption...


Sorry I didn't meet up with you. I had a drink with TEA partier I hadn't seen in a while.

Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 11:00 AM (z9HTb)

140 But, at the center of it all, is that we took our eye off the ball back in the 30's (if not before) and we lost it then.

Direct taxation via the income tax, and popular election of Senators were mortal blows to Federalism. And with true Federalism, there would never have been US Senator Barack Obama, let alone President Barack Obama.

Heck, with true Federalism, there would never have been President Bill Clinton.

Every problem Conservatives face comes from two places. One- people have forgotten the actual, deep-truth meaning of "All men are created equal" and "endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights." They've forgotten that "it is to secure these rights that Governments are instituted among men."

Two- the Federal Government has become the National Government. As feared by the anti-Federalists, the Federal Authority has usurped the powers of the State governments. States are no longer sovereign in their own territories.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 11:00 AM (/eBe8)

141 I agree that this result is the product of generations raised in the public schools as they currently are. It is a generation that has been indoctrinated. We need to start by getting involved in local school boards..... Or else the home schoolers need to start having tons of babies!

Posted by: OCD Con at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (uUlWl)

142 Republicans need to focus on small businesses. Romney could not paint a clear enough picture of it to sell this vision. As a venture capitalist, he made it all about money, or at least the Dems successfully framed the argument this way. Romney even admitted he couldn't compete with "free money." So he was left rallying the people who are doing ok.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (i0vBR)

143 Abortion/Birth Control has become a giant shit hole for us

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (79ueO)

144 @ 126 maddogg

The my best friend argument. For someone who supposedly grew up with Hispanics, you have a very hostile attitude towards them. I'm of East European roots and my wife is Hispanic, so I know that community very well.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (TVbdM)

145 I don't know, maybe I'm naive but I'm still not buying into this whole "demographic shift" explanation. A few weeks ago Pew said Obama was only up 4 among hispanics in Florida because Cuban Americans were going for Romney. So what happened in Florida? I thought Romney had strong numbers in the I-4 corridor?

The election experts all say that a president gets a vote total equal to his final approval number. (Sabato pointed this out last night.) Before Sandy, O's approval was 46-48. After Sandy, it bumped up to 50 or higher. There you go. As crass as Chris Matthews is in "thanking" the hurricane, I believe he's right.

I think the rest of it is hand-wringing and finger-pointing, which always occurs after a loss. I'm sure the Dems love to see us tearing apart each other.

My open letter to Gov. Christie is at the url in my name.

Posted by: TD at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (DQMcq)

146 First off, Obama's people working the ground game are paid. Even "Organizing For America" who went to town hall meetings to promote O'care in 2009 were paid. (fact, as I spoke to the young adults and said pay was between $15,000 to $23,000)

ACORN is not dead only reborn and ground game funded with tax payers money.

Public sector and teacher unions, funded with tax payers money and labor unions campaign perpetually on behalf of Dems.

Most volunteers for GOP are senior citizens.

ORCA project needed volunteers to have smart phones and since most GOP volunteer are senior citizens and even all younger volunteers don't have smart phones (self included), the old ground game with poll checker/striker on paper and election day calls was used if there were enough volunteers.

States like Pennsylvania (as Gov. Corbett broached subject but didn't have time to follow through) need to split electoral votes. Philly amazingly had their result in very, very, early, enabling the O team to claim victory.

Large states need some protection from their money-pit hell holes deciding for the rest of the state, even though rest of state votes for GOP candidate.

Hard to beat democrat machine paid ground game, free campaigning and protection of dems by media and money-pit cities manipulation results for entire state.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (lGu1O)

147 @ 143 Nevergiveup

Spot on. The Republican Party needs to stop with the abortion crap. It costs us votes.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (6Lik1)

148 Did Romney’s vaunted ORCA get out the vote program crap the bed?

From my perspective it did.

I first contacted the Romney site shown on Ace's sidebar around Oct. 3rd-4th. I was in Mexico on work. The one thing that surprised me was the lack of an auto-response email.

Around Oct. 16th I re-applied to the website, noting it was my second time. On the 18th I got an email response from Dan Centinello; when you Google that name he comes up as a Deputy Political Director for Romney. He asked when I would be available for a call. I responded that I was in Asia on work but I would be back starting Oct. 26th.

The 26th showed up and with no phone call, I sent an email to Centinello letting him know I was back. Another email went out on the 29th, giving out all of my phone numbers. Centinello's response the next day was that I could expect a call from a team member "soon".

On the 31st I noted that I was still waiting. Centinello's response:

Sorry for the delay. Your patience is grately appreciated. Unfortunately, there are over 30,000 volunteers on the orca project, and our office is very small. It is no exaggeration to say that we are working around the clock, running on minimal sleep to get the election day task force off the ground by November 6th. We will be giving you a call soon. Please bear with us.

Nothing.After.That.

Sorry if this sounds like a girl who got jilted after being asked to go to the prom.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (kqqGm)

149 Oh, and if I may, I've been flogging this horse for a long time, but I think we need to take class warfare to the Democrats. They are the wealthy but the ones who don't earn it. The party of Kennedys, the party of Kerry, even the party of a lawyer who made $150/hr and a wife who made $300,000/year who made a boatload from a book he "wrote".

I like the term "rich lawyer buddies". It's time to throw a little class warfare back at them. Nobody loses by bashing the legal profession and its most egregious practitioners.

Hollywood needs a bit of a slap as well.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:02 AM (T0NGe)

150 I have to say that the call from home app was kinda shitty from a user-interface criteria. The page was too long, forcing you to scroll up and down between calls... sometimes froze when trying to start it up... and WORST OF ALL, the buttons were just static images... nothing happens at all when you press them to signify your action was triggers. No depression-state of image, no animation or anything on the screen indicating you've moved to the next step in the process. Also, overlooking someone in my family doing the calls, I noticed that he failed to notice the two first questions, "do/who do you plan to vote for?" and jumped right into the script instead.

A billion dollars and that's your Call From Home Ap? C'mon GOP, get your stuff together.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 08, 2012 11:02 AM (UypUQ)

151 Hector what you know could be written on a match book with a three inch paint brush. Allow me to repeat myself, Fuck you with a chainsaw.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 11:02 AM (OlN4e)

152 @ 145 TD

Christie will pay for what he did.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:02 AM (6Lik1)

153
Start thinking about the next system. Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (J4gw3)


Thats inspiring, in a way. I'm almost glad the time for half-measures is over.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (xXhWA)

154 140 I might actually start reading your blog. Very well stated case for the long absent classical liberalism.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (i0vBR)

155 BOEHNER MUST GO.

Is there some decent conservative in the House who has the balls to risk his political career to challenge this fucking Quisling for the speakership?

Paul Ryan? Michelle Bachmann?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (vCK/R)

156 Let's see when brought in Europeans, do you think they would vote Republican? Nope, they come from Socialist nations.

We need to win converts, not demonize groups.
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (CX71c)

Uh, they exclusively didn't come from Socialist countries.

They came at a time where the welfare state and the size of the Government was a mere fraction of what it is now.

They came when religious belief and attendance was at a much higher point than it is now.

They came at a time when the culture they were integrating into was a lot less depraved than it is now.

You think winning Hispanics can just be fixed by some new talking points and some compromises, and your way too optimistic about that.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (i3OIF)

157 A big problem the GOP has in getting votes is that many voters are stupid. For instance: I have talked to people at work who think overturning Roe v Wade would outlaw abortion. They do not understand the concept of reversing a court decision, or how deciding the issue in the state legislatures is far preferable- and waay more democratic- than having unelected federal judges impose rule by fiat. Many Americans are just too dumb to understand what, to me, is just basic civics and understanding how our system works. But they know what Honey Boo Boo did on TV last night.

I've always thought that the US could not be brought down by enemy attack: it will be brought down from within by Stupid People.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (8sCoq)

158 We are a racist country. The last election the hispanics and black made a pact and decided to vote against the white guys. Someone on here yesterday said don't do that when I said something about the "brown wave" because hispanics are so vastly different within the group. They may be from different areas of the world but they will vote brown along with the blacks. If this sounds like I am being racist I do not care.

As white people we have been told from childhood not to be racist and I have voted for black local candidates and supported their campaigns. This pact the hispanics and blacks made is real and imo evident by the turnouts in the last elections .

Revenge voting indeed.

Take that "Mitches". They make me sick.

Posted by: osu at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (xR46S)

159 Christie will pay for what he did.
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:02 AM (6Lik1)

Yeah he will, but Christie is a sideshow. That is not why we lost.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (79ueO)

160 So once again, race is everything.

Is the country even worth saving if that's the road we have to travel on? We can't vote for "the content of our character" or because someone has ideas that might work. We have to vote based on ethnicity.

What that will do in the long run is destroy America even faster.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (P7hip)

161 I'm almost glad the time for half-measures is over.

I am, too.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (IoNBC)

162 Ahahahaha! We love Rethuglikkkan infighting after lost elections. Blaming your message or GOTV is like losing a ballgame 4-3 and blaming your guy who struck out in the 9th, when the fucking umpire was playing for the other team. You lost because no matter what you say, we still own NYT/WaPo/LAT/CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/MSDNC and damn near every other media outlet. And people believe us. They still believe us (because the M in MSM stands for mainstream, you know!).

Your candidate says he'll cut taxes? We'll hit him like a fucking ton of bricks. Interviews with poor people whose UE ran out, digging up tax returns of rich people and finding out they pay a lower % federal income tax than their secretaries, lead the news every night with a story about your candidate's garbage collector.

Obama says he'll cut taxes? We'll turn on a fucking dime. We'll feature "experts" who will challenge the "conventional wisdom" that tax increases mean more revenue. You'll see specials every damn night about how JFK cut taxes and prompted growth. People will suddenly learn about how if you taxed the rich 100%, it still wouldn't cover the federal budget. And Obama will be a genius for finally solving our national spending crisis by cutting taxes.

And we can do this with any issue. And people fucking believe us.

Until you find a way to break the polyopoly, you'll always be our b!tch.

Posted by: The MSM at November 08, 2012 11:04 AM (NWLVJ)

163
If only we had a candidate that attracted Hispanics, women, youth, independents, and the conservative base....

Impossible. Those groups all want incompatible things.
-------
Drop the conservative base and it's good to go!

Posted by: RioBravo at November 08, 2012 11:04 AM (eEfYn)

164 Drew:
Drew:
I am drawing exactly the opposite conclusion from you (at least in reading the first chart). The data you provided shows that Hispanics are adopting "conservative" values as they move more towards assimilation. Based on the chart, 3rd generation Hispanics are 3x more likely than 1st generation Hispanics to believe in smaller government and less services. That is a huge change from generation to generation. Hell, if we had won 36% to 40% of the Hispanic vote (instead of 27%) we would likely have won the election (well --maybe).
I agree we don't solve the problem by just becoming Democrat/Santa Claus lite or by putting a few Hispanic/African American faces at our rallies. We need to emphasize that we are not a party of tribes (like the Democrats), we are a universal party that believes in the right of the individual to succeed as an individual (though there is a corollary there that Ace alluded to in a post yesterday that we have to address).
I think that message is timeless. I wonder sometimes if we (or at least Republican leadership) starts believing the caricature about Republicans (and or Conservatives) -- i.e., we are either the party of the Rich country club male golfers or rural, small town red neck white males -- so we just need to have some color mixed in and we will be right as rain.
Instead I think the message of individual freedom and opportunity is a hard message to fight. Its basic and I think its what most of us want (most of the time). Hell, I think the Democrats have co-opted it (at least as a marketing principal) on social issues.

On same-sex marriage --- honestly I don't care about that issue (and I don't think the world will end, if homosexuals get married). But until this cycle, that issue was not a winning issue for the left.

Posted by: nc at November 08, 2012 11:04 AM (Cxl7g)

165
The Republican Party needs to stop with the abortion crap. It costs us votes.Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (6Lik1)


Then Catholics go 100% Democrat.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 08, 2012 11:04 AM (xXhWA)

166
Why should fragmenting the US into a couple different, smaller nations be "that which shall not be spoken"? Why are we somehow immune to something we've welcomed as a positive step in other places? The Soviets had to do it and it was a net plus. The Yugos have managed to make it work after killing each other for a while. Hell, it was ChooChoo's prescription for Iraq, wasn't it?

Sure, a more muscular exercise of Federalism than our present model would eliminate the need for the above, but that's just not going to suit our new Fascist overlords.

Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 11:04 AM (4I3Uo)

167 I don't think offering freebies is the answer. . . it's a slap in the face to those who immigrated (from all over the world), arrived in a place where they worked their arses off (just to learn the language without any special help), absorbed some of the American culture, and legally became proud American citizens.

My own Mexican immigrant sort-of stepgrandpa is a diehard conservative. He was looking for a fresh start and new opportunities. AND SELF-DIGNITY. He wasn't looking for handouts. He loved him some George W. Bush.

The looking for and feeling entitled to freebies is a MORALITY issue. Not just with Latinos, but with all races and genders. I'm not sure they realize it's immoral to feel entitled like they do. Someone in the right position needs to send this message. In our schools? Our churches? In our media? Where does this message need to come from to counter the damaging, "Hohoho! It's Christmas for free in America! Come and get it!"

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 08, 2012 11:04 AM (W5c4e)

168 101 88 Rubio wanted to run for the top job, not drag Romney's ass toward the finish line. Look where that got Palin.



I hope you're right. I'm not necessarily saying a Rubio veep would have done this, but if Hispanics went GOP by just another 20-30 percent, say, 50/50, Obama would be gone.

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (hyP1j)

169 Somebody posted this in the last thread (i'm too lazy to give you credit, sorry..):

"I'm surprised that this quote from Valerie Jarrett hasn't gotten more play:

"After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.""

If you wonder why Dingy Harry Reid is going 'nuclear' and removing the filibuster rule (notwithstanding that sooner or later the Rs or ther heirs will be in control of the Senate), the last sentence has your answer. This is the long game and the Rs have been deploying MickeyMouse against the evil love child of Rasputin and Machiavelli.

These radicals are playing for keeps and aim to take over SCOTUS with two more far left appointees.

Nice job, Roberts with the O-care cop-out. Even nicer job all the Paulite libertarian stooges and free-loading so-called so-cons dopes in the Rust-belt and Fla. You're not going to like Harry Reid and Barack Obama's new world order at all. At least you got to watch dancing with the stars (but you should have been out voting...). Enjoy the deluge - you earned it!

Posted by: Wild Ride Ahead... at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (bT79U)

170 @ 151 maddogg

The truth hurts you, doesn't it!

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (CX71c)

171 >108
@ 96 Marcus

Let's see when brought in Europeans, do you think they would vote Republican? Nope, they come from Socialist nations.

We need to win converts, not demonize groups.<

Bzzzzzt.

Wrong.

My relatives who immigrated to America hated the socialist-fascist people who ran the countries they left.

They came here for opportunity and never took a dime from the government. Never. It was unthinkable because they did not want to take from others, especially people who may need it more. No matter what their personal circumstances were. And trust me they were often not good.

They went with a party who espoused American values the best. Ya know, before it became racist to believe there was a unique American culture.

That distinction may have been blurred or obscured years ago. But it ain't no more.

The choices are pretty clear.

I frankly don't care what race, color or religion you are. But if one is voting with the Democrats, they are complicit in the destruction of our nation and values. Period.

Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (GGCsk)

172 This country has undergone deep cultural rot. That is what we have to fight against.



All that being said, without a bootlicking media, Obama would have
been toast. They are the biggest culprits and the most dangerous groups.
They touted Obama's stupidity agenda and blocked all efforts at
republican rebuttal.



I refuse to blame Mitt Romney after the fact. I'm not sure anyone
else could have one. Actually, I'm pretty certain he was our best bet.



I will always admire Romney and Ryan for what they displayed this
election cycle. America didn't want decency, goodness, and competence.
They have down the wind. They will reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: Chique d'afrique in her phone at November 08, 2012 10:45 AM (6zgse)

amen.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (hX8cq)

173 The progs won the long game. The long term future for this nation is a mash up of Idiocracy and 1984. "Ow, my balls" meets "He loved Big Brother". The boot on your face will likely be a big red clown shoe, but it'll be there regardless.

Posted by: pmacb at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (+JC0X)

174 The my best friend argument. For someone who supposedly grew up with Hispanics, you have a very hostile attitude towards them.


Pffft! I'm never hostile to the Hispanic cleaning lady who empties my waste basket. She gives my a nice friendly 'Hi!'


I suspect it may be the only English she has learned in the 5+ years she has been here.

Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (z9HTb)

175 I would like to point out something that has become obvious to me. If you go to the Huffington Post or similar high traffic places you will see that the amount of misinformation in the comments is absolutely stunning. We make a mistake when we let that go uncorrected. Normally the articles need correcting as well.

I think a lot of us avoid those places because it physically hurts to read such stupidity --- but ultimately it does us no good to talk amongst ourselves almost exclusively. Ace's place serves a much needed function in getting other information out and giving like minded people a place to meet. We need to make sure his traffic stays up and he is rewarded for his efforts. But we also need to go to the seedier places on the net and engage there.

We simply can't win if there are people who believe "Bush's wars" and civilian contractors are the cause of our deficit or that Romney is going to outlaw tampons. The only way to educate them is to go where they are and at least make sure their influence on others is limited to the greatest extent possible.

A lot of these places will simply not allow your comments to be posted because that is how the left is... fascist to the core. But if you are patient you can learn how to get through. No, they do not deserve the traffic and have not earned it but we are only punishing ourselves by not engaging them on their own turf.

I also think we need to ignore demographics. We will not and should not change what we believe in based on how popular those views are. If that means we are in the perpetual minority then so be it. But we should never concede that demographics is destiny and that people cannot be persuaded based on the color of their skin. That would make us as racist as the left is.

We are going to suffer. Make no mistake about it. There may not even be a way "foward" from this point. But eventually, somewhere on this planet the flame of liberty will reignite. It might be generations in coming but our job in this darkest of nights is to keep the ember burning and at the ready. The last thing we need to do is make concessions and muddy the difference between the two sides.

Posted by: Voluble at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (qYvEa)

176 Visit Israel: Not so much

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 10:56 AM (79ueO



Listening to Fox Radio this morning. Obamabots celebrating Dear Leader's victory by chanting for the "end" of Israel.

It begins.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (UOM48)

177 Romney was very qualified and presidential, but lost
for many of the same reasons Kerry did against a vulnerable incumbent-
people just couldn't relate to him.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 10:59 AM (SY2Kh)


I think the point is that this says more about the electorate than Romney.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (X/+QT)

178 @ 167 I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense

Well said!

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (CX71c)

179 Drew - Thanks.. I really agree with all of that..

There is really only one solution. Hispanics, left leaning centrists and even ultr-liberals need to be slapped in the face with reality.

By that, I mean we have allowed them to think that Sugar Daddy can provide everything their little hearts desire.

Of course Hispanics would rather have a bigger government with more services! We are in debt to the tune of $1 Trillion per year just to provide them with all those goodies.

So.. we either need to crash the system.. complete and utter depression-level crash or worse. Or we need to shut down the system until Dems start dealing on the debt.

But.. here's the tricky part.. we have to do it in such a way that it is apparent it is the Dem's fault.

As long as Dems are allowed to demand nothing of these citizens and are able to shower them with goodies, this will only get worse.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (f9c2L)

180 And we also need to start pointing out that there's a difference between wealth and income, income tax doesn't tax wealth, it taxes income. Every time a democrat points to some rich guy who wants his income tax raised we need to say yeah, that's because he's already wealthy and doesn't have much income to be taxed, it's working chumps like you who get hit by the income tax, not the wealthy.

Posted by: booger at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (HI6wa)

181 One of the biggest failures of the last 50 years is that, for whatever reason, we have failed to intergrate Blacks and Hispanics ( not all of course, but a sizeable majority ) into the American Culture and we are paying for it now. Now I blame the Democrats who want to keep them a festering underclass for political reasons. But anyway, history has shown if they had Intergrated into America, they would not be voting as a block like they do and everything would still be ok even with only a 73% white population

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (79ueO)

182 The truth hurts you, doesn't it!
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (CX71c) da Zero for the next four years hurts. Nothing a pissant like you says could bother me.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (OlN4e)

183 "Early anecdotal evidence is that yes, Romney’s get out the vote plan/program failed miserably."

Early anecdotal evidence is quite the opposite, at least in Ohio, which is one of a handful of states where this would even be a factor. i'd be really interested in the "link" to your "source"

Posted by: separate at November 08, 2012 11:07 AM (JWT7J)

184
After reading last night's recrimination thread this one, why would anyone want to associate w/"Republicans"? Hostile, hateful, angry, blame someone else...
Swell. Really. You want to sit on your rock yell at the world? Be my guest. You want to influence others? Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 11:07 AM (LwGY+)

185 All that being said, without a bootlicking media, Obama would have
been toast. They are the biggest culprits and the most dangerous groups.
They touted Obama's stupidity agenda and blocked all efforts at
republican rebuttal.
_____
^THIS, times whatever our debt will be in four years.

Break the media polyopoly.

Posted by: Dante at November 08, 2012 11:07 AM (NWLVJ)

186 "But if you are patient you can learn how to get through."

Bullshit.

Posted by: separate at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (JWT7J)

187 I like the term "rich lawyer buddies". It's time to throw a little class
warfare back at them. Nobody loses by bashing the legal profession and
its most egregious practitioners.



The Party of "Big Bank"


Who bailed out the Dem National Convention in Charlotte?

Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (z9HTb)

188 The GOP have no one to blame but themselves for the illegal immigration problem. Reagan granted amnesty. Bush 41 did nothing. I thought after 9/11 Bush 43 would at least seal the borders, but no.

Big business loves cheap labor and the GOP is the party of big business. As long as big business bribes the GOP in the form of campaign donations, nothing will change.

And now we are at the tipping point. Try and attract hispanics with anything that remotely sounds like amnesty and more whites will be alienated. And if the GOP really believes that hispanics will become conservative, then they are dumber than I thought. They want handouts, that is why they are here.

Go visit any city that has been transformed into something that looks more like Mexico than America and look at the results: lowered tax revenues, urban blight, poor school performance, gang warfare, a tremendous difficulty in attracting new [as in white-owned] businesses, no assimilation into American culture, etc.

Congrats Romney and GOP for losing what should have been a slam-dunk this election. Watch Obama issue amnesty by executive decree. Have fun being a permanent minority GOP.

The only way to fix this is for the American economy to completely collapse. Already some hispanics went home to Mexico since things are better down there I guess.

Posted by: skilaki at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (CFOVo)

189 We will never see another honest election in America. Fraud and illegal voting works - and it is rewarded.

Posted by: George Patton at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (qBLA2)

190 <177
Romney was very qualified and presidential, but lost

for many of the same reasons Kerry did against a vulnerable incumbent-

people just couldn't relate to him.>

Maybe a few commercials showing Mitt buying condoms, pounding Julia, then taking her for an abortion after picking up some government assistance checks would have changed that?


Posted by: Marcus at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (GGCsk)

191 @ 135 Paula,

As far as Hispanics go, I never understood why we felt we could get
them. Other than the Cubans, these folks come from socialist countries
and didn't mind the socialism

Europeans come in from Socialist Countries. If we brought in your beloved White Europeans, they would be voting Dem as well. So your theory is garbage.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (CX71c)

192 I'd like to see these demo groups broken out by income levels.

Two groups, those making north of 80k, those below... how big is the Dem/Rep gap within each of those groups?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (UypUQ)

193 I'm tired of hearing from democrats that hispanics "gave Obama the win" and "now he owes them", they expect everything to go their way in this next term. And democrats think that's "only fair, really".

Rumor has it that Stephanie the cutter will be the next press secretary.

Posted by: What do you do all day if you don't watch tv, anne? at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (/b8+5)

194 Serious people cannot get elected in this country because the electorate is not serious.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (X6akg)

195 Uh, they exclusively didn't come from Socialist countries.



They came at a time where the welfare state and the size of the Government was a mere fraction of what it is now.


And they still voted Democrat.

That's what Tammany Hall was all about, exploiting the new immigrants. Identify with them, claim to fight for them and leach off of them in the process, but make them think their success was due to you.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:09 AM (T0NGe)

196 This was my first chance to weigh in after a few days of road tripping:

I think the reason we lost is really simple: not enough people believed the economy was in dire straits. The meme was that the economy was stabilizing and things were starting to get better, which is why you saw them furiously twisting the numbers and the media reporting things like a 2% GDP growth as awesome, and why we have QE3 artificially inflating the stock market. Things are getting better!

I thought maybe I was imagining it until I saw fuckface Colin Powell saying exactly what I feared people believed.

That's why Rodney's emphasis on the economy only had a mild effect. Swing voters were smoky too complacent and just accepted the economy as it is now a the new normal, so any improvement is a boon to Obama.

Yes the minorities and union thugs turned out but they always turn out.

Our economy needs to collapse, and by that I mean epic 30% unemployment and negative GDP numbers for people to finally wake up and realize what's clusterfuck they voted for. As it stands now we're grading Obama on a curve, so things have to be that much worse for the GOP to experience another wave.

Same with Obamacare, we're not seeing the true impact so people think its not so bad.

Complacency, that's what killed us.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Are Now Upside Down in Protest at November 08, 2012 11:09 AM (oVSIa)

197 >I think the point is that this says more about the electorate than Romney.


Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 08, 2012 11:06 AM (X/+QT)

agreed. Romney was the right man for the job. But America voted for the cool guy promising free shit. I blame America.It'll be fun hearing them squeal when it all falls apart.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 08, 2012 11:09 AM (8sCoq)

198 Hector you said the GOP would lose the House. No mandate for Obama when he barely wins any House seats

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 11:09 AM (t4nf+)

199 Mental deficients broke for Barry. And I'm a donut scented man - whore. Springsteen rocks so much I cry!

Posted by: Krispy Kreme Chris Christie at November 08, 2012 11:10 AM (ypzqs)

200 194Serious people cannot get elected in this country because the electorate is not serious.
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 11:08 AM (X6akg) Bingo.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 11:10 AM (OlN4e)

201 i.e., we are either the party of the Rich country club male golfers or
rural, small town red neck white males -- so we just need to have some
color mixed in and we will be right as rain.



Did you see the RNC convention?

It's OK, no one else did, either. MFM embargoed most of it, purposely cut away to their studios when non-white-males were on stage.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:10 AM (/kI1Q)

202 I cannot understand North Dakota. They elect a liberal to the US Seante that will vote lockstep with Obama

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 11:10 AM (t4nf+)

203 Between HeatherRadish's "We are a fascist not center-right nation" and Chicque d'afrique's "I personally don't care any longer. If a nation is full of stupid people, I'm not going to blame us for not realizing how dumb they are" -- well, those pretty well summarize my feelings.

I'm still going to enjoy my time and banter here at the HQ, but I may have forever been disabused (or, just plain abused) of contributing money or time to a campaign or getting emotionally involved. I accept that there are forces far bigger and more influential than I at work in our nation, with more clout than Math, for the time being anyway. A good start would be for the Republican party to never again mention the words gay, marriage, abortion, vagina, uterus, contraception, etc., in any context positive or negative. Our response should be FYNQ. I hold out little hope that will happen.

Basically, I've gone through the 5 stages of grief in less than 48 hours. Not eeyoring, just coming to terms with how I see things have played out.

Posted by: jakeman at November 08, 2012 11:10 AM (96M6e)

204 I don't think Orca was the reason. If this were truly a center-right nation Obama never would have been elected in the first place. He certainly would have lost this last time if we were even close to a center-right nation. The sad truth is we aren't "right" in any sense. At least not enough of us to make the difference.

FDR (SS) LBJ (Welfare) Ted Kennedy (1965 immigration bill) killed the country but did cement a future majority for their party. I hope they are all burning in Hell but you have to give the devil their due. Along the way there were some weak Republicans who went along with all of the redistribution. As great as Reagan was, even he didn't do much to stop it. He went along with amnesty and spending increases.The Reagan of "A Time for Choosing" in 64 was a different animal than the one who was president. Goldwater was the last guy we even tried to run who was a true Con. He got clobbered and so would anyone like him today.


Posted by: Ken Royall at November 08, 2012 11:10 AM (x0g8a)

205 @ 184 Jessi

I agree, I warned people here last week Obama was going win. Rather then listen to me, they derided me. Instead of analyzing how to win, people here are bashing Hispanics. I guess a 71-25 drubbing with the group is not enough for some Republicans to put their bigotry aside and try to win new voters.

I am viewed as the bad guy here for speaking reality.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:10 AM (6Lik1)

206


2016? Here comes Jeb Bush to save the day!

Yay!


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 11:11 AM (vCK/R)

207 189 We will never see another honest election in America.

True, but we won't have the expense of donating to the GOP any more, either.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 11:11 AM (IoNBC)

208 We need to get off the "Hispanic" kick. Contrary to what the MFM is saying, Republicans did not lose because of Hispanics. If we had we would have lost TX and AZ.


This is another ploy by the MFM to push us further left. As I say, get OUR principles out there and invite ALL to join us.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 11:11 AM (YdQQY)

209 And they still voted Democrat.

That's what Tammany Hall was all about, exploiting the new immigrants. Identify with them, claim to fight for them and leach off of them in the process, but make them think their success was due to you.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:09 AM (T0NGe)

Your right, but because of our system then, they had the ability to change their voting behavior once they obtained real social mobility instead of handouts.

The problem is a continuing declining economy keeps any future immigrants as a block.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:11 AM (i3OIF)

210 Double legal immigration quotas while cracking down on illegal immigration.

Posted by: ChrisValentine at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (j6QBF)

211 You know what the worst part about all this is? The fucking trolls are still here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (da5Wo)

212 Swell. Really. You want to sit on your rock yell at the world? Be my guest. You want to influence others? Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 11:07 AM (LwGY+)
jess, influence what?vagina crowds? that actually was so insulting to women in general,
too bad women want to go back to being a vagina for the greater good of mankind ? not me, no thanks.
Give ME free stuff! ,
Kill the Rich! that shit won, no thanks.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (hX8cq)

213 181 One of the biggest failures of the last 50 years is that, for whatever reason, we have failed to intergrate Blacks and Hispanics ( not all of course, but a sizeable majority ) into the American Culture and we are paying for it now.
_____
Agreed. Growing up, I learned how great it was that anyone could come to the US and assimilate into the culture.

My first year in college, I learned that assimilate was a dirty word. Thank the MSM and self-proclaimed civil rights leaders for inflaming racial tension where it exists, and manufacturing it where it doesn't. Because, disenfranchisement.

Posted by: Dante at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (NWLVJ)

214 Team Obama's big turnout? Hell, Obama lost 10,000,000 votes compared to 2008. Party vote losses compared to 2008 favor the GOP 4-1 . Barry won 53% of the vote in 2008. He only had 50% (so far) this year. So where is this "big" demographic shift people keep blathering about?

Mitt Romney is a good man and a patriot. He was also the worst possible choice for the GOP this election cycle. An election that was easily winnable for conservatives. There will always be a sizable percentage of the electorate that will respond to personality and they saw Romney as a millionaire stiff. Obama's a stiff, too, but the MSM never failed to show him as a warm, personable man with a humble background. Mitt Romney's smile looks like it was built with an erector set.

Posted by: mrp at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (HjPtV)

215 Go after public education - we need more kids going to private schools.
$1 billion would set up 200 $5 million schools.
$2.5 million in facilities.
$2.5 million to offset administrative expenses as the school establishes itself.
That $1 billion would have a much bigger impact on the electorate than stupid ads.

Posted by: Nat at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (Ii3Nc)

216 The country has always been bitterly divided.

"More unites use that divides us" is a lie.

We fought a damned war over it once, remember? And even though the Union was preserved, federalism died.

After world wars, we come together for a bit, then after a couple of decades, we start fighting over the same things that have divided us since the damned beginning of the enterprise:

Strong Central Government vs Strong State Government. These are not new arguments.

Posted by: MrShad at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (Xqfwb)

217 Vic, I must be missing your post on vote totals. The Fox News exit poll article you posted was closest, but I didn't see actual voter numbers in it.

Which post in the headline thread had this information?

Posted by: Jay in Ames at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (i2Lsf)

218 After reading last night's recrimination thread this one, why would
anyone want to associate w/"Republicans"? Hostile, hateful, angry, blame
someone else...


Barack Obama is not a Republican.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (/kI1Q)

219 schools.


media.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (hX8cq)

220 @148, That wasn't my experience at all. Signed up to do Project Orca, and Dan kept me informed every step of the way. There were two of us at my precinct.

Posted by: Chris at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (gI9Bk)

221 It doesn't matter any more. We could have done everything right and we still would have lost.

Face it, the majority of Americans who are voting want free shit. They want you and me and "the rich" to give up our shit so the government can redistribute it.

This was the most important election of my life. We have had four years of a tyrant in office, and anyone who half paid attention knew it. We got beat. It's over. People aren't hurting enough. We have no one on our side with any power. If you think Boehner and McConnell are going to try and do anything to help save us, you're kidding yourselves.

It is over.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (GrtrJ)

222 @ 298 Vic

We lost Nevada, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and Virginia because of Hispanics. If the GOP keeps up ths hostile attitude, we will lose Arizona and Texas in the future.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (p+4lN)

223 167
..... Someone
in the right position needs to send this message. In our schools? Our
churches? In our media? Where does this message need to come from to
counter the damaging, "Hohoho! It's Christmas for free in America!
Come and get it!"

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 08, 2012 11:04 AM (W5c4e)

If I could have waved a magic wand, last Jan and Feb, during Martin Luther King Day and Black History month, via at least two persons per school district, blanketed students with pamphlets and info on Frederick Douglas and the Frederick Douglas Society. It is BULL CRAP that 60's radicals are getting away with rewriting history. When you get both black and whites pissed that they have been fed lies, then they will think what other lies they have eaten up as truth.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (lGu1O)

224 Changing an emphasis from 'controlling illegal immigration' to 'controlling the border' is not going to attract hispanics. Border control implies immigration control which they do not support.

I know several (yes, a very significant sample!) of professionally successful Texas chicanos who will never, ever, ever vote Republican because when they attended one or another major Texas university in the 80's or 90's there were public displays by College Republicans (?) opposing race-based admissions and affirmative action programs.

I think if Republicans become a reduced-size copy of the Democrats they will be able to start chipping into the Democrats lead among 'minorities'. Perhaps change the party name too.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (eEfYn)

225 I just ordered a new bumpersticker:

EMBRACE IDIOCRACY

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (IoNBC)

226 I used the Romney campaign make-calls-from-home web site and the pulldown menu for contact's choice for presidential ticket listed Obam/Biden and Romney/Biden. Doesn't exactly speak well of the attention to detail. Yes it was a 3rd-party phone contact service but still…

Posted by: In the bunker at November 08, 2012 11:14 AM (R7H3g)

227

Here Look

Democrat Senate Not Once Compromised With Republicans...and they gained 2 seats.

GOP House compromised with Obama and Reid on spending, debt, etc. And They Lost 7 Seats.


Do I need to draw you a picture?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2012 11:14 AM (ATP6u)

228 I think the point is that this says more about the electorate than Romney.

Maybe, but if as a candidate you don't understand that poorly informed swing voters choose their candidate for the shallowest of reasons, you're making a big mistake. We have the electorate we have.

We can't force the squishy, disinterested middle to delve deeply into the issues and candidate policies. They won't. They only read the headlines and see soundbites.

Just getting them to like you- even if they know nothing of your policy stances- is half the battle.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 11:14 AM (SY2Kh)

229 All this naval gazing..... about small minorities of votes... and NO ONE is talking about the 800 Lbs MALE Gorrila in the room...

NO ONE this election excited the MAN vote. Metro Obama told women that he'd get Taxpayers (over half of which are MEN), to give them Free Shit... That he'd continue to give women ALL the power in reproductive matters (Men get NO say in Abortion choices)... and Obama has Girly Foreign Policy (Iran, can we just talk....).

Romney, early on... seemed Manly.... the Bully story as a youth gave us some hope... but then he WIMPED out so he would not scare away the Women vote... and then during the third debate wimped out on foreign Policy.

Hell.... even Get out the Vote Efforts.... bet if you check, its primarily Women who take advantage of those rides and are affected by them....

I submit that the ONLY minority that no one talked about, or campaigned to, was the WHITE Man vote...

Now, exit polls say that 47% of the respondants were male... but I bet that was because they made sure that demographic was correct by asking the correct people, NOT because it was a truly random sample....

I'd really like to see someone take a look at the actualy vote.... because I bet it shows that it was MEN who stayed home....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 11:14 AM (lZBBB)

230 After reading last night's recrimination thread this one, why would anyone want to associate w/"Republicans"?Hostile, hateful, angry, blame someone else... Swell. Really. You want to sit on your rock yell at the world? Be my guest. You want to influence others? Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 11:07 AM (LwGY+)

Projection much? Hostile, hateful, angry, blame someone else is the mantra of Obama FFS!!! It's what he ran on....idiot.



Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 11:14 AM (X6akg)

231 I think it boils down on "cool."obama is "cool" and Romney was not. Unfortunately a lot of the Public thinks like that. Beyonce.... cool. Jay-Z cool. Katy Perry cool. Marshall tucker band. Who? Clint Eastwoood . Senile old man.Hollywood and the media drove this election. Dumb fuck youth..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 11:14 AM (9+ccr)

232 I agree, I warned people here last week Obama was going win. Rather then
listen to me, they derided me. Instead of analyzing how to win, people
here are bashing Hispanics. I guess a 71-25 drubbing with the group is
not enough for some Republicans to put their bigotry aside and try to
win new voters.


Um, yeah, hispanics chose to lay down with big government, people here don't like big government, calling them bigots shows that you're the one without a clue and you are the problem.

Posted by: booger at November 08, 2012 11:15 AM (HI6wa)

233 -

this pudding ...
.. all this pudding ...
..
..
so much ... pudding.

~ sigh ~

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 08, 2012 11:15 AM (RuUvx)

234
After a day and half of crying in my milk I have decidedly made a transition to the entitlement society. I am now embracing the change. EMBRACE IT I SAY! Lets all start lining up for our free shit; healthcare, phones, housing, food, etc... (hiding our money, weapons and ammo first of course). Lets join the fray and then sit back and watch the liberal fools go into full on freak out with mass riots when they realize the "Obama stash" has gone empty. Oh, that will be a glorious moment will it not? Just the thought of these angry, rabid liberals eating their own - that will be one hell of a Kodak moment. So come on join me and EMBRACE it. Lets push the throttles to the stops and ride this burning turd all the way to the scene of the accident so we can again re-build. EXPEND ALL REMAINING ORDNANCE ON MY POS! That’s my new motto and I'm stickin to it.

Posted by: Talibill at November 08, 2012 11:15 AM (WEWGu)

235
I work in the construction trades and trust me when I tell you almost all Mexicans consider the American Southwest part of the historic Mexican homeland stolen from them.They don't want to be Americans

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 11:15 AM (qEts0)

236
I hope I don't get banned from this blog for my comments below because I find it one of the most intelligent and passionate and...funny. After that caveat, I hear so much hatred on the part of "conservatives" here -- hatred of the " other". It oozes out everywhere. Until conservatives can find other ways of talking and thinking about those they disagree with, there is no hope for a wider coalition. I'm not sure conservatives want one.
First and foremost in this election, was there really a lower turnout? Or is this a voter fraud issue due to voting machines being fixed? Allen West should get massive help from everyone for his law suit.
Second, voter fraud including voter ID and air-tight GetOutTheVote must be solved first in the 32 states in Republican hands if there is to be any hope.
No voting efficiency, no positive outcome. The Dems are experts on this.
Third, who are conservatives going after as part of their coalition (in politics it is only about coalition building and compromises -- using principles). Once decided, then positive language, positive speech, and education, education, education. There is way too much "my way or the highway" stuff here.
I don't like the hatred and sneering comments here from people whose principles are essential. No wonder this approach has failed too many times.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at November 08, 2012 11:15 AM (i0aYq)

237 The lesson is truly personality. It really does count. Remember FDR was reelected in the midst of a terrible depression. He never did a damn thing that started the economy back up, save go to war.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 11:15 AM (OlN4e)

238

We Lost Seven Seats.

After redistricting we lost seats. Democrats gained, we lost.

Do Not Compromise.

End of discussion.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2012 11:16 AM (DNMgS)

239 #172 willow posted someone else's quote: "This country has undergone deep cultural rot. That is what we have to fight against. "

I second your amen.

Some of our atheist, agnostic and libertarian friends will not want to admit that loss of certain common moral beliefs (whether practiced by the individual or not) are needed to keep the fabric together. Even our Founding Fathers acknowledged this - whether they were true Christians or not.

Everything may be permissible, but it may also be destructive. We love our right to self-gratification more than we care to sacrifice ourselves for something greater and more honorable, it seems.

We're screwed, and weird enough, some of you with your tighty whities in a wad are not looking at how you personally contributed to the cultural and moral rot of America.

Make fun of the social conservatives all you want, but there's something to this need for a decent social and cultural fabric. . . it's needed to produce people of character who are willing to work and be respectful of others.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 08, 2012 11:16 AM (W5c4e)

240 Btw, i really like the how the super smart set believes that the way to win elections is to let more people flood into the country illegally, because, you know, it's worked out just great so far.

Posted by: booger at November 08, 2012 11:16 AM (HI6wa)

241 Agreed. Growing up, I learned how great it was that anyone could come to the US and assimilate into the culture.

My first year in college, I learned that assimilate was a dirty word. Thank the MSM and self-proclaimed civil rights leaders for inflaming racial tension where it exists, and manufacturing it where it doesn't. Because, disenfranchisement.
Posted by: Dante at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (NWLVJ)

When you have a black population voting at 95% for one candidate and then throw in the hard left and you have a solid 48% of the electorate before you even start, it is no longer really an election. It becomes a carnival show to garner just 3% more. It's becoming a fucking joke and I am not laughing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:16 AM (79ueO)

242 The coming battle is between Red States and the Federal Govt. States rights! This is not the Civil War. This is an intellectual battle. So I suggest we simply begin defining America on a new map.

Posted by: Davidlind at November 08, 2012 11:16 AM (J9mCu)

243 You can keep saying if "the base didn't come out against Obama they never will" until you are blue in the face but it is bullshit.

The base wouldn't come out for a NE RINO...that was the Fuck You Vote to the Romneybots for killing every other candidate and being sore winners on top of it. "You'll go pull that lever because you have nowhere else to go."

If you think I'm full of shit , ask Bush I how many votes making a big show of quitting the NRA cost him.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 08, 2012 11:16 AM (6H6FZ)

244 amazing that asking immigrants to come through the front door, have fidelity to the country they benefit now from is ... a loser.

how do we hold together as a nation? by becoming a part of it.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 11:16 AM (hX8cq)

245 For Boehner to cave her needs 218 votes in a lame duck session, There are 193 Dems and 242 GOP in the House.

Boehner needs 25 House republicans to sell their soul to the Devil, knowing that if they do, the GOP loses the House in 2014

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 11:16 AM (t4nf+)

246 Tami @ 194. Very well and succinctly said.

We can indulge in recriminations galore but the fact is the problem is the electorate. And I would add, the media.

What has Obama done for any if those who voted for him (aside from his cronies) that has actually improved their lives. And then here comes Romney with a track record of success and extreme competence displayed during the first debate.

Yet they still voted for Romney.

Again, I have no words for Chris Christie. Ugh.

Posted by: Chique d'afrique in her phone at November 08, 2012 11:17 AM (6zgse)

247 Thank the MSM and self-proclaimed civil rights leaders for inflaming racial tension where it exists, and manufacturing it where it doesn't.

Dante, I've told the story here before, but at the risk of belaboring the point...one of my best high school friends also went to college with me. One day we passed each other on a path and he walked straight past me with a 1000-yard stare. The next week we saw each other again and I asked WTF? He apologized--he had pledged a black frat, and they weren't allow to talk to Whitey. This was in 1986.

Posted by: jakeman at November 08, 2012 11:17 AM (96M6e)

248
2016? Here comes Jeb Bush to save the day!
Yay!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton





It that "little brown" Bush grandkid old enough to be nominated yet? Reaching out to Hispanics!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 11:17 AM (kdS6q)

249 Kinda late to this thread, but I'll go ahead with a:

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 11:17 AM (a0nis)

250 pyromancer76,

good thoughts.

I'm totally on that voter fraud thing. Needs to be dealt with ASAP.

Posted by: I think I'll say what I'm thinking and maybe it'll make some sense at November 08, 2012 11:17 AM (W5c4e)

251 almost all Mexicans consider the American Southwest part of the historic Mexican homeland stolen from them

I'm willing to let Mexico buy California back, for what they paid for it (adjusted to 2012 dollars, plus some interest), but it's gotta be cash up front.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:17 AM (/kI1Q)

252 If the GOP keeps up ths hostile attitude...
---------
Embrace REVENGE !

Posted by: RioBravo at November 08, 2012 11:17 AM (eEfYn)

253 The reason people have long thought Hispanics are viewed as possibly being sympathetic to conservative ideals is that they are, in the main, very hard working people.

We all seem to think that someone who is willing to work hard for thir families will eventually come around to conservative ideals.

Apparently not.

So, let the goodies dry up along with the jobs and then we can tell them all, go ask your Dem friends for a handout, buddy.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 08, 2012 11:17 AM (f9c2L)

254 >Do I need to draw you a picture?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2012 11:14 AM (ATP6u)

yes. it should include nice boobies and a cool car

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (8sCoq)

255 Like Paula and John above, I was an ORCA volunteer that saw "issues". I signed up in early October, went through the online training within 24 hours, and participated in the conference calls. Then....nothing. I emailed and called. Daily. Heard zero back - not even the "small office" note that John got. On election day, I talked to friends from 6 voting precincts within 30 minutes of my house. There were zero ORCA volunteers in any of them. This is Wisconsin. For most precincts, it would have taken 2-4 ORCA volunteers to staff them completely because they split the voter registries into 2-4 alphabetized chunks.

I went and volunteered at the local repub office and made calls. But I was really looking forward to ORCA.

Posted by: Muad'dib at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (KjlbF)

256 Which post in the headline thread had this information?


Posted by: Jay in Ames at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (i2Lsf)

http://minx.cc/?blog=86post=334766#c19642883


I would repost but it is a long post. The national election Obama lost 10M and Romney lost ~ 3M.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (YdQQY)

257 Hispanics have had a struggle against Socialism/Communism in Central and South America for decades.Over the last two decadeshas prevailed due to the reduction in religious values. In the past, the US has bolstered those fighting against it with its strong religious values combined with its capitalistic policies which was attractive to hispanics in the past and kept those soicalistic values at bay. The further down the socialist path the US goes, the less supportC/S America countrieshave and they will alleventually fall and be full blown Commies. It's already headed that way and it's not showing any signs of slowing down. As those folks migrate North, they will want the same thing where ever they land. i.e. The U.S.
I am affraid the only thing that will save us is a full blown World War and that is only if Capitalism can win, or perhaps a World wide economic meltdown where they chew eachother up but right now they vastly out number us. Socialism is winning and we need to get folks here to wake up or we will slip quietly into the abyss.

Posted by: Walknot at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (vo2je)

258 242. Well Said. Some Mandate Obama.There are 30 GOP Governors , Dems 20 and in many small nothing states like delaware, MT, RI etc.....

States Rights

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (t4nf+)

259 EMBRACE IDIOCRACY

Scobface, link, NOW! Me want!

Posted by: jakeman at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (96M6e)

260 "We need to find a way to make the eternal values we believe in relevant and palatable to a wider segment of the population."

Yeah. Here's the thing -- Liberals are very willing to buy votes with government funded programs and giveaways. They divide the populace into special interest groups, figure out how to use taxpayer money to buy the votes and party loyalty of those groups, then pander, pander, pander. Conservatives can't be bought (I'm talking voters here, not politicians) because they know that THEY are the ones paying for it. So they become a shrinking part of the populace as more and more people buy into the liberal ponzi scheme.

Also, conservatives don't get over excited about social issues, and liberals do. Here in Washington State, we're going to end up with another lousy, crooked liberal Governor, because of gay marriage. Liberals turned out en-mass to vote for that, and Inslee grabbed on to the coat tails of that turn out. Most moderate conservatives here are either so-so on the issue or are for it anyway. Liberals used that as an issue to get out the vote of borderline people who otherwise could care less about voting.

Republicans played into the liberal's hands by making an issue of gay marriage, and putting it on the ballot. It fired up liberals, but left socially moderate conservatives cold. Way to fail.

Posted by: starboardhelm at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (hHgxI)

261 Embrace REVENGE !


Being "nice" never got us anywhere.. Don't get mad... get even. Okay I'm still furious so that's where I am right now...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (9+ccr)

262 Devolution of powers/separation, like in the UK or Spain or Czechoslovakia can work very well, but shouldn't be necessary. The 10th Amendment should allow us to live and be governed as we choose. But a Constitution is only as good as its judges.

Posted by: xuyee at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (/QiO2)

263 We need to offer more Brawndo (with electrolytes)

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (8sCoq)

264 Conservatives need to realize that same-sex marriage and early-term abortion restrictions are lost causes. The young people I know, even those who have grown up in conservative evangelical churches, will simply not vote for a party that champions those issues. They are very open to libertarianism though.

Posted by: Raul Johnson at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (MiBr0)

265
This is the bottom line: if you want to get rid of Alan Grayson in 2014, and that should be on everyone's refrigerator by now, you are going to have to appeal to the Hispanic vote. In this case Puerto Rican mostly. Puerto Rican politics is confusing and split between US statehood, independence, and status quo. They do mostly speak English and Spanish and are US citizens at birth though how that's true is legallycomplex in history as well.That's step one to avoiding sounding idiotic.

Todd Long was the Republican nominee by virtue of millions in negative ads run by Grayson against his primary opponent John Quinones. Somehow the Republicans have to stop the Democrats from selecting our nominees.
Linky in URL

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (sOtz/)

266 "Franklin Roosevelt was the real winner on Tuesday night, just as he has been for the last 17 presidential elections before that. His assumptions about the role of government in the country have been the template that has been expanded on for generations. We can’t win on those terms, we need to change the rules and that will take time."

Exactly. Moreover, he got elected--and reelected TWICE before Pearl Harbor--when we were supposedly more self-sufficient (grew our own food, made our own stuff, were too proud to ask for a handout, etc.).

The second time he got reelected was after he tried to pack the courts with judges who would help him force through some of the New Deal laws--at a time, that is, when we supposedly had better schools and were taught by teachers who weren't on a Gramscian mission to brainwash us.

So, is our problem bad P.R.? Have we lost touch with the real aspirations of real Americans? Have we been deluding ourselves into believing we are more self-sufficient than we really are? Do we utterly misunderstand how most of us respond to national crises and what most of us expect government to do about them? I, for one, have no idea, and am wondering myself whether I have been very mistaken about a lot of my assumptions.

All that said, I think we'll make it through all this eventually. I just don't want to wait another 44 years for another Reagan. I'd like to see something like that again in my lifetime.

Posted by: Ed Snyder at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (GDS6f)

267 This election wasn't a vindication of FDR as much as it was of Karl Rove.


Rove saw the demographic shift coming. Because he started out in Texas. He made the Republicans the majority party in Texas, which it still is today, with a lot of Hispanic support. He made sure George W. Bush got 40% of the Latino vote in 2004. If Romney had gotten that on Tuesday, he would have won 332 electoral votes.


But conservatives went batshit crazy when Bush tried an immigration reform bill in 2006. So it crashed and burned, and with it went our chances to at least keep Bush's 40% for the next several elections. It is going to take us YEARS to rebuild that trust with the Latino population.


Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (qe2/V)

268 I'm willing to let Mexico buy California back, for what they paid for it
(adjusted to 2012 dollars, plus some interest), but it's gotta be cash
up front.
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Call me.

Posted by: El Chapo Guzmán at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (eEfYn)

269 Almost all of Latin America is center left to left. That is what has Democrats drooling over them. The GOP embrace will not make this group a bunch of free market loving people. Better to market the GOP as problem solvers and idea men. You want the left? Here here it is higher taxes, more spending, no jobs and oops, when the Democrats have to choose to pay Big Labor or support the poor they choose Big Labor. Now do you want to chat about the free market?

The nation must be forced from these views by the misery that they bring. There is no way to re-educate what the left has done for the last twenty years except economic pain. 48% of the country needs to go gault and educate enough of the 52%.

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (JpqtI)

270 I have a feeling the (D)'s are gonna co-opt any chance the (R)'s have long before the next election. If this election proved anything, it is that VP Biden is quickly slipping into dementia. One letter of resignation for health reasons, a couple of tear-filled speeches, and Obama has a new Veep. Probably Hispanic, maybe a woman, maybe both. Their candidate for 2016.

Then the 2016 campaign for the (D)'s is all about 'continuity' and 'keeping the dream alive' while the republican candidate, shell-shocked from another brutal primary season talks about doing away with Roe vs Wade on camera.

I have little hope left when the youth vote carries so much punch.


Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 11:19 AM (feFL6)

271 Europeans come in from Socialist Countries. If we brought in your
beloved White Europeans, they would be voting Dem as well. So your
theory is garbage.


Very very true. In fact, the rest of the world really doesn't want to come here for freedom. That's a lie we tell ourselves. It's the same reason Californians move to red states. They want to leave the shitholes behind, but bring their values with them.

But...they don't realize how their shitholes happened in the first
place. Socialism is just...duh. Of COURSE you want smart people in
charge, why wouldn't you? Of COURSE you need to redistribute wealth,
it's unfair otherwise.

The problem is the second and third generation. The grandkids of these immigrants are Republican, but if the culture is too different, it takes longer to assimilate. Religion helps, but if they're being born out of wedlock, they'll lose that.

But the reason the Republicans lost is bigotry...by Democrat constituency groups. They have created so may caricatured strawmen over the years that they just believe any fear-mongering attack.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (T0NGe)

272 @ 257 V

You think White Europeans from Socialist countries would vote Republican? Funny how the anti-Hispanic Republicans don't address what I keep bringing up.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (TVbdM)

273 253. Agreed Jerry. In the Chicago North Shore, all you see are Hispanic Landscapers working on million dollar homes. Evil white Rich people need to say no mas

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (t4nf+)

274
How about this...
We lost because the media hid anything that might make Oblabo look worse than G.W. Bush. Most of the people who voted knew nothing about FF, Benghazi, how truly awful the economy is, the thousands of jobs lost due to this admins war on oil and coal, thereal ugliness buried in Oblabocare,and dozens of other things.
The media pounded Bush daily for small things they could turn into big things to wreck the Repub brand and tee up a huge win for The Won. This time they actively hid stuff that should have ended Barky's reign of error and got him re-elected.
Most of the voters are not like us. They are not political junkies who scope out a variety of news sources. They watch one of the network news programs, or CNN because they are utterly convince (by the media) that Fox is a right wing hate mongering democrat bash fest that wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face.
If we had a truly neutral and un-biased media, this election would have ended much differently. Until we destroy the media bias and interference we will continue to lose. The info war must be won.

Posted by: madamemayhem at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (iRgZG)

275 I've done a lot of GOTV calling and I really don't get the model, though I know it's gospel to political parties. You call up supposed Republicans and they 1) don't answer 2) get angry if they do answer because they're getting so many calls, or 3) are really nice and have already voted, 4) get pissed because you're basically telling them how to vote, and it's their fucking business...plus my state doesn't have registration by party so it's always a lot of guesswork anyway.

In survey calls we used the old Rove method of asking how they feel about some phone 10 Commandments issue, 2d Amendment and abortion. And that shit really pisses people off! And if they don't get pissed off, it's because they were already on the conservative side anyway.

I just never found any Republican who said "OH SHIT I FORGOT ALL ABOUT VOTING!"

The ones that do that are the stupids that the Democrats are so good at rounding up.

Posted by: jeanne, in full escapist mode at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (GdalM)

276 Let's quit the tap-dancing. The nation as it's configured now will never be constitutional. We're eventually going to have to split from DC if we want freedom from gov oppression.

That and become cold and hard against illegals. If not then welcome to the new world. I prefer freedom.

I'm sick and tired of trying to be nice to people trying to enslave me. Fuck 'em. They deserve violence.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (z+O0e)

277 It’s not because whites are genetically pre-disposed to “conservatism” or Blacks and Hispanics to “liberalism”, it’s culture. Culture can (and has) changed.


Not so, Comrade. Your so-called culture has not "changed," not all by itself. It "was changed" by your enemies many years ago. Anti-Americanism was foisted upon your children by those who control your movies and your music and your television. There was a brief effort to root out these enemies, but it was already too late. They mocked, they deceived and derided and made the rooters to be fools.

Doubt me, Comrade? Look at the goals of Communism to destroy America through its schools and culture, from within, back in 1963 and tell me that they didn't succeed.

Posted by: Comrade BackwardsBoy at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (lOmbq)

278 #254... What happened in CO. I thought of all the States that was ours...?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (9+ccr)

279

That's why turnout was low: the House kept funding Obamanomics.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (0yntW)

280 Some of you seem to be under the impression that socialism will somehow thrive and survive nowhere in the world except here in the USA. But it's here that it will fail most spectacularly. It's going to fail epically. The USA is where the idea dies.

So, 'it' isn't over, the Progressive State is failing. Its' going bankrupt. You want to keep fighting to gain control over a rapidly melting ice cream cone for one or two final licks before it's on the ground?

Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (J4gw3)

281 The real demographic is that people who live in high population density places want a socialist government. These are the places where extremes between privilege, wealth, and racist attitudes are most likely to be perceived. (be patient with me, I'm just building this theory) These are also the places with the least religious moral structure, the most local regulation and enforcement, and where people are most likely to NOT know their neighbors and others in their immediate community. These people don't want the responsibility to their families, neighbors, communities because they focus on the differences, not the similarities. They refuse to engage in true compassion because they can see the flaws of humanity but refuse to recognize that we all wear that flaw.

Our founding fathers were wise enough to reject the socialist ways the French Revolution brought about and trusted a smaller, localized government. They also knew that it would take wise, moral men to maintain our nation. Prophecy sometimes is to let us know we can change somethings, other times it is to let us know that a change will be inevitable. The majority in this country want to throw the best gift in the world away and, obviously, they refuse to consider any evidence to the contrary. Now, where do we go from here?

Posted by: mynks at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (MNB5Z)

282 I hope I die, before I get rolled.

Posted by: Roy at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (VndSC)

283 ...also any halfway smart GOP voter is likely to be hacked off about any number the issues cited above, too!

Posted by: jeanne, in full escapist mode at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (GdalM)

284 It’s pretty clear though that whatever technical merits of ORCA may or may not have been,


You know what would have been nice? If the ORCA or die people ever bothered to explain what, specifically, ORCA meant. Hell, I still don't know what exactly it's supposed to mean and this is from someone who did the call from home thing. When those who are supposed to be pimping it don't even bother to say ORCA (the Romney GOTV program), there's a problem.


I was just reading an article about the societal destruction going on in Greece and maybe that's a place to start. Explain that when the government is in charge, then the government gets to decide who gets paid and who doesn't. That means that if you are an insulin dependent diabetic and the government pays for your insulin and then stops paying for it, you don't get your insulin and you die.


The legalizing pot thing may also be a starting point. Point out that the state says its okay but the Federal government is still going to come in arrest people since its a violation of federal law.


I still think the Rubicon has been crossed. Give me mine and I don't care about the future is apparently now the majority position.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (VtjlW)

285 3. Related to number 2…is America still a center-Right Western nation?

There you go.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (X3lox)

286 We lost Nevada, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and
Virginia because of Hispanics. If the GOP keeps up ths hostile attitude,
we will lose Arizona and Texas in the future.


Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (p+4lN)


Not true, The only one that comes close is FL and the race was so close just a few more Republicans showing up would have titled it.
But mainly we are losing those States due to an influx of liberal Yankees and Californios.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (YdQQY)

287 271 AmishDude

Republicans do not help themselves by Demonizing Hispanics. Just read the comments on this blog and many of them are just a stones throw from Stormfront. If people here were making comments about Jews that make about Hispanics, there would be outcry.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (TVbdM)

288 If we have to become the Democrats to win, I don't see the point of winning.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (evdj2)

289 267. Why does all forgrt that the 2007 Immigration vote in the Senate was blocked by Dems like Jim Webb and Tester. Even McKaskill voted no. Dems controlled seante on that vote

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 11:22 AM (t4nf+)

290
Hey, if you don't want to engage the media, then don't be surprised when it says what it will @ you.
Fact is the GOP is perceived as the house on the block w/the closed door drawn curtains, no tresspassing signs, a short chain link fence,by it's own choices.
Want to complain @ "vagina" messaging but don't want to appear on "womens" media? They'll run w/the only thing you're giving them: "I'll cut PP" rapeabortion.
That'sthen thestrategy to show women that they're more important than the sum of physiology? Really? Remind me never to hireanyone from the RNCto run any of my advertising...

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 11:22 AM (LwGY+)

291 Wow. This is BAD.


@redistrict Before election, white men were 53% of House Dems & 86% of House GOP. After, 46% of Dems & 92%(!) of GOP.


Democrats have done a tremendous job targeting our few minority and female House members and electing their own. We have part of the government, but our part does not look like America. That is going to be a problem for the next 4 years.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 11:22 AM (qe2/V)

292
@257

they haven't struggled against it they struggled for it.thats where we go wrong when a person from a latin country hears right wing they think military junta snatching people off the streets, the left wing to them is the natural home of the people

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 11:22 AM (qEts0)

293 Romney was not my guy. The Romney who ran for President was not the same guy who mowed down his Republican opponents. I think he got bad advice about handling obama with kid gloves to avoid accusations of racial bullying--the same damn bad advice that McCain got and followed. The reality is obama is weak and frail man with huge personality defects and the stories of his personal addictions and predilections are pervasive. Romney just needed him to lose it and melt down in front of the cameras one time and it would've been over, but, he always stopped short of that. Where did the killer instinct go after the primaries?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 08, 2012 11:22 AM (kXoT0)

294 Unless the republican party renames itself "Democratic Party" they will never get a majority of minority votes.

Minorities are brainwashed into believing lie after lie about the GOP. You cannot fight thralls of ignorant voters, you just cannot.

Posted by: DavidM at November 08, 2012 11:23 AM (R/e5b)

295 Basically, Obama won because although we know what is going to be the result of his policies, the people haven’t felt them yet.

We know EPA regulations are going to jack up prices, but low information voters won’t know it until it happens.

We know Obamacare is going to start rising prices and depressing employment, but it hasn’t affected the masses yet (by design).

We know that higher taxes are coming, higher inflation is coming, higher unemployment is coming, but it isn’t “felt” yet as something new, just something continued from 2008.

I honestly don’t think we’re moving to the left, I just think that the country is primarily reactionary and doesn’t care what happens until it smacks them in the face. We don’t need to move left, we don’t need to move right, target this group and that group, we just need to be able to articulate the who, what, and why when the policies start coming into play and messing with people’s lives.

The largest mistake for 2012 occurred in 2008-2009, where somehow we let the financial crisis be defined as caused by low taxes and GW’s regulations, rather than large government enterprises subsidizing poor behavior. We’ve got to ensure that when it all starts impacting those low information reactive voters, that they’re informed on EXACTLY why they’re starting to get slammed.

Don’t abandon your low information Obama voter friends, but be sure to educate them in a cause and effect manner when they start struggling.

Posted by: Rizzyg at November 08, 2012 11:23 AM (CTZLp)

296 @288

Word.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 11:23 AM (a0nis)

297 >>>But the election was also stolen.

One could just as easily say that it was given away.

Posted by: Fritz at November 08, 2012 11:23 AM (/ZZCn)

298 I mean, these are thrilling times. We will see the end of this monster. Imagine having to be around when it grew to become a monster?

Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 11:23 AM (J4gw3)

299
147 @ 143 Nevergiveup

Spot on. The Republican Party needs to stop with the abortion crap. It costs us votes.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (6Lik1)


The country is evenly split or perhaps a bit more pro-life over abortion.

The Dems still were able to use it to rally their followers.

The GOP shunned the topic and lost 5 million votes.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 08, 2012 11:24 AM (tOkJB)

300 @ 286 Vic

Excuses. If Romney had gotten the same margin in the Hispanic vote that Bush got in 04 the states I listed would have gone Republican. Deny reality all you want, but the GOP has a Hispanic problem. We also have a problem with Asians and young people.

Many young Whites are turned off by the Hispanic hate from segment of the GOP. Unlike older whites, they don't view Hispanics as the other or evil. Many younger whites (Like me) are married to them. So Hispanic bashing is a turn off to more groups than just Hispanics.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:24 AM (6Lik1)

301 I think Hispanics do NOT care about amnesty. Their racialist political leaders do, because it's a made-up goodie they can promise (like gay marriage in the gay community) but all they want, as I see in CA, is a comfortable life with a job, house, medical, without fearing they will get deported if they step into the wrong government office and fill out the paperwork.

So that's a starting point.

Conservatives (and classical liberals like me) need to get out in the culture more and dispel the myths. How about a Cinco de Mayo party in your city put on by the GOP? How about sponsoring soccer teams? Stop sitting around and puffing on your pipe like Buckely and mingle! Get a Hispanic Ace and start a smart military blog like this one, where they can swear and stuff!

As a former Dem, I can say that the folks are kinda afraid of you. The media has made you out to be humorless nuts.

Posted by: PJ at November 08, 2012 11:24 AM (DQHjw)

302 I need to learn how to write a FireFox add-on to block troll hashtags.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:24 AM (/kI1Q)

303 Obama is proof that we lost the Cold War.

Posted by: eman at November 08, 2012 11:24 AM (sRus3)

304 -

It's your turn, America.

Posted by: The Chicken - who, until recently, was fucked . at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (RuUvx)

305 What gets me is all the hard working people that have yard signs and vote for the welfare party. I see them all over where I live. I do not understand how they cannot see they are slitting their own throats. There are just lots of really stupid people. My gut tells me it's all going to have to come apart before it can be put back together. As to the Hispanics, out of wedlock births are the norm and not the exception. It's pretty easy to get paid baby assistance, get food stamps, and subsidized housing. It used to be that families took care of mom and child when this happened. Now they just point them down the street to the local welfare signup office. I don't think there is any going back from this unless everything comes apart and gets rebuilt anew. Fortunately or unfortunately, it's probably going to come apart sooner rather than later unless there is some miraculous economic recovery. Obamacare will only further add to the deficits or increased tax burden. Either way, economic activity will be depressed. Businesses will adopt part-time hiring practices to avoid the Obamacare headache which will create even more demand for welfare. Manufacturing will probably relocate elsewhere to avoid the drag. The future isn't looking very pretty. I hope I'm wrong, but fear I am not.

Posted by: laddy at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (QmNJC)

306 My post at 246 should have read:

Yet they still voted for Obama.

Posted by: Chique d'afrique in her phone at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (6zgse)

307 there is ONE SINGLE BIG MISTAKE

everytime I come here and I read sentences like
1) my liberal friends on facebook...
2) my liberal relatives...
3) my liberal sons/nieces...
4) my liberal colleagues...
5) my liberal wife (WHY THE FUCK DID YOU MARRY HER?)

here is the fucking problem, they don't give a shit about you but you crave to them for friendship. Unless you are in a desperate position to need help, money or assistance fuck them all, cut all ties, if you have a company FIRE the fuckers or never hire them in the first place. Right now it is very easy to do researches on facebook and understand where they lean, I did it with ALL my acquaintances and only a few passed the test and became 'friends'. The others ... a huge FUCK YOU ALL.

And if your son or daughter is a liberal, you must have done something really wrong in educating them. Do not blame the school, it starts in the family.

Do not give loosely to charity, all the money might end up in the hands of people that call you racist anyway and vote obama. Give the money directly to STRONG REPUBLICANS family units and conservatives.

Do some soul searching, if we are so strong and so good as we claim we should be able to do without liberals (who needs a liberal anyway? I need a liberal like a broomstick up my ass). The rule is 'dont know what you've got till it's gone'. Let them stay without half of the country.

Forget about the rest of the bullshits, latinos, women, do you really want to compromise true values for retards who stock up tampons and la raza card carrier?

This is the way, these are the weapons. First time someone makes fun of a conservative or calls republican idiots you slam the door FOREVER. Ask to any psychologist, hanging around people who despise you is BAD for your health.

Posted by: meh at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (rnV3B)

308
"We lost Nevada, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and Virginia because of Hispanics. If the GOP keeps up ths hostile attitude, we will lose Arizona and Texas in the future."

What hostile attitude? Not wanting to hand out free shit based on the color of your skin or whether there's a "z" on the end of your name? Not conducting the RNC exclusively in Espanol? What exactly?

The GOP and everyday Republicans DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN! They care about the content of your character and whether or not your ideas and beliefs maximize Liberty.

I'm so motherfucking tired of being called a goddamn racist because I expect people to NOT live on their knees.

Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (4I3Uo)

309 Why we lost: Mallamutt's explanation

Conservatives suck at politics. We tend to do what we think is "right". The Left, however, and particularly Obama, play the game way differently. It is called Chicago rules: reward your friends, punish your enemies (and yes, I realize I have said this before. It bears repeating).

Until we get to the point that we can be (and are) just as ruthless and uncaring as the Donks, we are going to continue to lose. We have to learn how to shove the knife in the back. Yes, we can put a happy Reagan like face on it, but still, we have to do that.

So, I agree with Drew, in one regards, we have been fighting issue to issue. And we have been on defense. We have to stop. Our old political calculus was: is this the right thing to do. Our new political calculus needs to be: how much pain am I inflicting.....and how much reward to our supporters am I spreading.

In otherwords, no more Mr. Nice Guy/Gal.

Which means we need new leadership. I tried to give Boehner and McConnell the benefit of the doubt -- but they are ill equipped to play this game.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (OWjjx)

310 @ 299 Ed Anger

Do Akins and Murdoch ring a bell? Santorum was running on banning contraceptives. This was the image that got stuck we the GOP. Abortion is not a winning issue.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (TVbdM)

311 Unfortunately, it looks like a huge catastrophe needs to happen to realign American politics. This is on a par with the Civil War, Great Depression, a deadly epidemic, or having a mushroom cloud over a big city. Even another recession isn't enough to change things. That's a sad fact.

Posted by: Roy at November 08, 2012 11:26 AM (VndSC)

312 Funny how the anti-Hispanic Republicans don't address what I keep bringing up.


That's mighty tough talk, Hector. You don't seem to want a real conversation. People tell you 'fuck off' and you take the time to reply 'neener neener.'


I responded to one of you points without cursing or denigrating you, yet you ignore.


I'll observe again, tough talk.

Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 11:26 AM (z9HTb)

313 >#254... What happened in CO. I thought of all the States that was ours...?


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (9+ccr)

me too- I thought Romney would flip CO- but 1) we have a sizeable Hispanic population, second, we have an influx of foreigners- and by that I mean Californians- and C, legalized dope was on the state ballot. Dopers came out like zombies to vote for legal pot, and they voted for Obama while they were at it.

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:26 AM (8sCoq)

314 You think White Europeans from Socialist countries would vote Republican? Funny how the anti-Hispanic Republicans don't address what I keep bringing up.
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (TVbdM)

You haven't answered how are conservatives supposed to get voters who are placed into a sucky culture.

You want to pat yourself on the back for feeling morally superior, but the greater moral problem is not the tone of Republicans towards Hispanics, it is that there is a significant decline of virtue and morality in our culture across the globe.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:26 AM (i3OIF)

315 If we had a truly neutral and un-biased media, this election would have ended much differently. Until we destroy the media bias and interference we will continue to lose. The info war must be won.
Posted by: madamemayhem at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (iRgZG)
____
Absolutely. We've been playing on an unlevele field and with biased referees for years, and we act shocked when we lose elections. And even when we win, nearly half the country votes for the other guy.

Posted by: Dante at November 08, 2012 11:26 AM (NWLVJ)

316 We need to stop opposing abortion.

We need to adopt Margaret Sanger's position on abortion. Maybe she was on to something.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 08, 2012 11:26 AM (OY/SZ)

317 i think we should spend the next few years trying to burn the MSM down to the ground.

Posted by: we are so screwed at November 08, 2012 11:26 AM (HEa5q)

318 @ 308

What hostile attitude?
Read the comments and get back to me.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:27 AM (TVbdM)

319 Hey, if you don't want to engage the media, then don't be surprised when it says what it will @ you.
Fact
is the GOP is perceived as the house on the block w/the closed door
drawn curtains, no tresspassing signs, a short chain link fence,by it's
own choices.
Want to complain @ "vagina" messaging but don't want to
appear on "womens" media? They'll run w/the only thing you're giving
them: "I'll cut PP" rapeabortion.
That's then the strategy to show
women that they're more important than the sum of physiology? Really?
Remind me never to hire anyone from the RNCto run any of my
advertising...

Posted by: Jess1 at November 08, 2012 11:22 AM (LwGY+)


Exhibit 1 that the electorate is not serious.....'The View' is what stands in our way of winning elections. Got it.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 11:27 AM (X6akg)

320 The first thing the GOP has to do to win in 2016 is to change its primary and RNC rules.

No more "open" primaries. Republicans only.

Remove the Romney 2012 rules change that gives the RNC too much power over the GOP state organizations.

Posted by: mrp at November 08, 2012 11:27 AM (HjPtV)

321 We lost Nevada, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and
Virginia because of Hispanics. If the GOP keeps up ths hostile attitude,
we will lose Arizona and Texas in the future.


Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (p+4lN)



Can we just lose you. Right now

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 11:27 AM (1Jaio)

322 Our problem is one of leadership.

The inside the beltway moderate/squish/RINO crowd has lead us down a path to electoral ruin.

All of them must be purged. Failure to do so shatters the coalition.

SoCons have been the whipping boy of this party for decades now, and the reality is this: we are the only ones delivering the victories. We are the only ones with ideas that attract voters.

SoCon leadership now, or it's time for a new party. The GOP is obviously not a tent that we are welcome in, at all.

I can hear the crying, "butt!!! Wahhh! Wahhhh! How will we RINO squishes get lots of money and go to fancy parties if you stop supporting us despite the electoral ruin we have wrought?!?!"

Suck it up Nancy. We don't care.

SoCon head of RNC, RNSC, RCSC, or we walk.

And squishes, we already knowyou'll drop out and turn Dem. It's what Crist, Spectre, and your kind always do. You are Judas, and you have lead us into the wilderness to die.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 08, 2012 11:27 AM (RFl8c)

323 The only can win in 2016 if they clear the Field. We cannot survive another hostile primary like 2012. Sadly will not happen, too many egomaniacs like Ron Paul love the attention.


Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 11:27 AM (t4nf+)

324 5) my liberal wife (WHY THE FUCK DID YOU MARRY HER?)

Same reason any man marries any woman in any culture where marriages are not arranged by parents for financial or tribal concerns: Magic glitter pussy.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:27 AM (/kI1Q)

325 I also think it didn't help that in certain states initiatives were on that ballot that encouraged Dem votes. The CO marijuana initiative, I think, was killer. Many more on the left are adamantly pro-pot than righties who are adamantly anti-pot. This drew the kind of electorate that Obama needed. Was it just good timing or was it purposefully brought to a vote just in time for the presidential election? I'm not saying that was the difference nationwide, but I think it certainly was the difference in a place like CO.

Posted by: Paula at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (IJNpz)

326 Dante, I've told the story here before, but at the risk of belaboring
the point...one of my best high school friends also went to college with
me. One day we passed each other on a path and he walked straight past
me with a 1000-yard stare. The next week we saw each other again and I
asked WTF? He apologized--he had pledged a black frat, and they weren't
allow to talk to Whitey. This was in 1986.


I had two reasonably good acquaintances, a white guy and a black girl, in college. They were engineers and started dating almost as soon as they met. He was significantly nerdy, she was less so. They were inseparable for the time that I knew them well, freshman year.

I found out later that she was involved with the Black Engineers and was told by them to stop dating him, otherwise she would be "whiteballed". I never knew what came of it and freshman relationships rarely work out, but still...

The rank bigotry that is excused and encouraged among minorities is appalling and does no one any good.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (T0NGe)

327 It's your turn, America.

Leave it to The Chicken to summarize it so nicely. Bravo.

Posted by: jakeman at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (96M6e)

328
I am very concerned about being associated with all you filthy RethugliKKKan racists. Yet rather than leave, I keep whining like a bitch about it.

Posted by: Hectora at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (ggRof)

329 >
I need to learn how to write a FireFox add-on to block troll hashtags.


Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:24 AM (/kI1Q)

when you do, I want it, please

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (8sCoq)

330 That means that if you are an insulin dependent
diabetic and the government pays for your insulin and then stops paying
for it, you don't get your insulin and you die.





Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (VtjlW)


Hi. Insulin dependent diabetic here. Diagnosed right as I turned 5. 31 yrs old now. This is why I depend on the govt for nothing. Problem is...RATIONING. They're going to eventually decided who gets what. Period. Not just those on the govt dole.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (da5Wo)

331 Italians weren't considered "white" in the early 20th century.

Sucks to be them, and the Slavs...they didn't get to be white until "white = bad."


Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 10:58 AM (


My grandmother came from italy in 1938. She was actually born here, but went back to italy before she was 1 years old. She came back in 1938, my father 1 born 1 month later, so he and his younger sister were born here, his older and sister were born in italy. My father barely knew english when he started school, but he learned fast because the teacher wouldn't let him have water or go to the bathroom until he could ask in english. They are/were all republicans. My father and his siblings have zero trace of an italian accent, zip. nadda. Most are surprised they even know the italian language. My grand mother's twin sister stayed in italy, and she ended up in a camp, tatooed like the jews. She eventually came over in the 1950s

When my grandmother went to meet her at immigration, there were democrat reps there even back then trying to register them as democrats with all the usual promises of free stuff, and the "we care" bullshit. When my grandmother translated all the bullshit for her, her sister said "We survived Mussolini, we don't need "help".

Do I have any sympathy for the new breed of non assimilating refusing to learn the language freeloaders of the modern day?

Not one fucking bit.

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (FMbng)

332 @ 314 Nate

Screw the morality crap. Sell Capital;ism as a way to live a hedonistic lifestyle to young people. As for Hispanics, just respect their culture and bring up the fact the Dems view them as slaves. That's a start.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (CX71c)

333 Do Akins and Murdoch ring a bell? Santorum was running on banning contraceptives. This was the image that got stuck we the GOP. Abortion is not a winning issue.
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (TVbdM)

Santorum directly said in the debates he was against banning contraception, so what you are saying is false.

The fact that Abortion has become more popular in our culture, is a signal that our moral culture is dying.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (i3OIF)

334 Just did some crunching. Romney got 1.8 million more votes than Obama
among voters 30+. He lost under-30s by 5.1 million. Game over.

Read this somewhere. Fuck you under 30's You'll get what you voted for...

Posted by: Timon at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (AmX58)

335 We have part of the government, but our part does not look like America.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 11:22 AM (qe2/V)


And what do the big business founders and scientists and the like in America look like, other than a few Asians tossed in? Do those sections "look like America"?

Bean counting is stupid and counterproductive. Frankly, it's offensive. Anyone who wants to can run in the GOP and get elected as easily as anyone else.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:29 AM (X3lox)

336
all that glitters is not gold

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 11:29 AM (qEts0)

337 Dem turnout was down three times worse than GOP turnout and independents broke for Romney. We did better than in '08. I'm doubting this so called demographic shift into a permanent Democrat majority everyone is touting. We'll probably pick up seats in '14.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 11:29 AM (a0nis)

338 "Democrats have done a tremendous job targeting our few minority and female House members"--- --- ---- --- ---- ----- ---- Taking out Love and West really was like salt in the wound. I was prepared for Obama to win though not quite that decisively. I thought West was up nine points. I heard something about a huge infusion of Soros money to knock him off because of his tough anti-jihad positions.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 11:29 AM (sOtz/)

339 Sorry but I'm in Ca. and Hispanics do care about amnesty. They want more and more of their Family members here. They don't seem to care that it is competition here for the few jobs that exist. My Husband was a Contractor for 30 years and dealt with many of them. They do think Ca. is their Country as in Mexicos.That is not all but most that we have encountered over the years we have been doing business. By the way my Husband and I lost our business in 2010.

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 11:29 AM (9+ccr)

340 We have part of the government, but our part does not look like America.

Hate to break it to you, but white people are still Americans and, in fact, are a majority of Americans. Guess what that means? It means who they vote for actually is the party that looks most like America. It'd be great if more non-whites voted Republican but your statement is just 1) Not true and 2) A reflection of the accepted racism towards whites people.

Posted by: booger at November 08, 2012 11:29 AM (HI6wa)

341 And as for young voters, I heard Obama actually did worse with them than in '08.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 11:29 AM (a0nis)

342 It is over.
Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (GrtrJ)

It isn't over. The difference between history and fiction is that history never ends. The lights go out for a time, sure, but they come back on again. Let me put it this way: a thousand years from now, don't let it be said that tyranny won over freedom because we gave up. If we go down, let's go down swinging. Let them know they've been in a fight.

Posted by: troyriser at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM (vtiE6)

343 @331 Berserker

If we brought in Italians today, would the result be different? Your screw them attitude is why the GOP is,losing Asians and Hispanics.

Keep it up, you are proving my point!

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM (CX71c)

344 320-- no more "GOP", name them. It gave RINOs and DC insiders power over the tea party and SoCons.

SoCon leadership now or we walk. The coalition is being ruined by supporters of gay sex and social atheism. They are welcome to shut up, never talk, and vote R. They are no longer welcome in leadership or elected positions.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM (RFl8c)

345 >I'm not saying that was the difference nationwide, but I think it certainly was the difference in a place like CO.

Posted by: Paula at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (IJNpz)

hell yeah it was. And now I get to ride around on my motorcycle knowing more of the drivers around me may be stoned on weed.
Thanks libertarians!

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM (8sCoq)

346
Unless I missed it, the only minority bashing still missing in this thread is calling American Indians a bunch of lazy drunks....as has been done in other threads here at the HQ.

Minorities are here now...and they're not going anywhere. Calling them lazy, shiftless, violent, ugly, dirty, illegal, etc, etc, is not exactly how a political party is going to win points for minority outreach.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM (L7hol)

347 I'm willing to let Mexico buy California back, for what they paid for it (adjusted to 2012 dollars, plus some interest), but it's gotta be cash up front.

No kidding. We'd get some good revenue out of the deal too, so there's no reason Dems would oppose it.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 08, 2012 11:31 AM (B/VB5)

348 Screw the morality crap. Sell Capital;ism as a way to live a hedonistic lifestyle to young people. As for Hispanics, just respect their culture and bring up the fact the Dems view them as slaves. That's a start.
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (CX71c)

I don't want to merely win elections, I want what is people's best interest, and pandering to them is not in their best interest.

Hedonism only leads to exactly the type of attitude that encourages the increasing Government dependancy we have now.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:31 AM (i3OIF)

349 People should take a course on Latin Amreican Political and Social history. As most of the Hispanic population in the US is now illegal Mexican aliens, and 2nd are citizens with Mexcican heritage, such a course would inform you that through the late 1800s and right up to now, that the political and social hisory of Mexico is SOCIALISM as were the ruling parties.

Posted by: jb at November 08, 2012 11:31 AM (DEdsS)

350 We tried to offer two moderate
candidates (McCain and Romney), but they were villified as being
conservatives who wanted to take blacks back to the 1950s when Democrats
oppressed them (I don't get it either, but go with this), etc., etc. And
McCain and Romney couldn't defend themselves; they were center-right;
they didn't even understand -why- they were being treated as more
conservative than they were. So, they got all the negatives of being far
right without exciting the base.

We've tried being a moderate,
compromising party. But, the last two presidential cycles showed us that
it has nothing to do with compromising; the Democrats ran someone who
is far left (for America) and excited his base enough to trounce our
base efforts. That was Rove's big insight into winning in 2000 and 2004; the base wins elections. Obama proved that in 2008 and 2012.

I'm
a moderate Republican, especially on social issues like abortion and
gay marriage. But on the national and state level? Yeah. I'm accepting
that moderate Republicans have had their chance.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 11:31 AM (moRRg)

351
Minorities are here now...and they're not going
anywhere. Calling them lazy, shiftless, violent, ugly, dirty, illegal,
etc, etc, is not exactly how a political party is going to win points
for minority outreach.


Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM (L7hol)

The illegal part is right..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 08, 2012 11:31 AM (9+ccr)

352 @ 333 Nate

So stop the culture war crap. Use Hedonism to sell Free markets!

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:31 AM (6Lik1)

353
Doubt me, Comrade? Look at the goals of
Communism to destroy America through its schools and culture, from
within, back in 1963 and tell me that they didn't succeed.

Posted by: Comrade BackwardsBoy at November 08, 2012 11:20 AM (lOmbq)
I made copies of the 45 Goals of Communism and and kept some with me at all time. When debating the election with fluff brains who were focusing on stupid issues and of course supplying fluff heads with true facts to pop their fiction still doesn't work, would say here's some "here's some homework" then hand them the Goals of Communism.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 08, 2012 11:32 AM (lGu1O)

354 Italians weren't considered "white" in the early 20th century.
___
We're caucasian, but a lot of us aren't "white-white." The tip of the Italian peninsula, and Sicily - suffered Arab incursions starting from the 700s.Left a lotof Semitic DNA in Southern Italians.
Another legacy of the muslim invaders: the mafia.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 11:32 AM (jm/9g)

355 I think Hector is a troll. Will ignore from here on out.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 11:32 AM (YdQQY)

356
@346

according to crime statistics they are pretty violent and illegal

Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 11:32 AM (qEts0)

357
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 10:41 AM (vCK/R)


Absolutely agree.Californiansgave Democrats a supermajority in our legislature. I say fantastic! When Prop. 13 is abolished and property taxes go through the roof, I will be laughing. Hard. When Jerry's taxes hit small businesses (retroactive for 2012, BTW), I will be laughing. Hard.When all their efforts are exhaustedin stealing more money from the declining producers of the state ends with less revenue as expected,theinsane corruptocrats in Sacramentowill turn their ever ravenous taxing appetitetowards their millions ofingnorant constituents, andthe true bleeding will begin. I. Cannot. Wait.

Posted by: joanne at November 08, 2012 11:32 AM (VNFBf)

358
I have a good friend- an ex-pat who went there to fight thebush wars and ended up staying- in Zimbabwe. As a joke, he sent me some Zimbabwe money. A 10, 20 and 50 Billion dollar bill. When he sent it to me, he told me that the $50 Billion would buy a loaf of bread, and maybe some whatever it is they use in place of peanut butter. That is where we are headed; and the sad fact is nobody in this country (exceptthe few adults who understand and care about the math behind it all) cares. As long as the Preezy of the United Steezy"keeps it real", and Honey Boo Boo does whatever it is she does, and the Kardashians keep doing their thing, all will be well (to their minds). When the lights go out, and the food becomes scarce, and the riots begin, the first people to be blamed will be those of us who recognized the warning signs, and tried to warn people.

I hate being a pessimist; but I also am a realist who understands that as long as the orchestra keeps playing, no one will care that this ship is sinking. So I say let it sink.

Posted by: DaveinNC at November 08, 2012 11:32 AM (boNGU)

359 Guys, we should listen to Hector. He has a Hispanic wife you know. Therefore, he has Ultimate Moral Authority to repeatedly call us racists.

Hector may appear to be a one trick pony who offers nothing other than "you're racist". But it only looks that way because you're racist. Because he said so, and how could a man with a Hispanic wife be wrong?

Did I mention he has a Hispanic wife? And he knows you're racist? Unless you have a Hispanic wife like Hector has a Hispanic wife, you can not refute Hector calling you a racist. Racist.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 11:33 AM (SY2Kh)

360 If we brought in Italians today, would the result be different? Your screw them attitude is why the GOP is,losing Asians and Hispanics.

Keep it up, you are proving my point!
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM (CX71c)

And why wouldn't the result be any different?

C-U-L-T-U-R-E

Combined with a crappy economy that encourages a me and mine attitude.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:33 AM (i3OIF)

361 Greek unemployment 25.4% (58% for those under 25); Spain 25.5% unemployed (54.2% youth).

Youths will be getting the same treatment here. I hate being part of this generation, fucking pop voters who care more about Bruce Springsteen than the 5th Amendment.

Posted by: Aaron at November 08, 2012 11:33 AM (Tlix5)

362 Whatever you think about legalization,you are already surrounded by people driving after smoking week in Colorado. They're not suddenly discovering it now that it's legal.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 11:33 AM (sOtz/)

363 @ 351 Hello, it's me Donna not greg

The majority of Hispanics are not illegal. We need to stop with this attitude.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:33 AM (6Lik1)

364 The GOP shunned the topic and lost 5 million votes.

You're in Pennsylvania too, iirc. How many time did you see the DNC ad
on television with Romney saying he'd do away with Roe vs Wade?
I don't watch much television but when I did it was every other commercial.

Now I know what Romney said, and I know the context, but the DNC
played the abortion card to the hilt in the final days. Pa was close up until
that point.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 11:33 AM (feFL6)

365 A big part of the problem is that R&R's efforts to sell a truncated / condensed version of Reaganomics (i.e., the effects emphasized more than why it works / is the only solution for what ails us...) just bounced off the low information idiot voters that were up for grabs.

Why?

The Ds and the DMM have spent the last 5 years messaging / blaming the economic collapse on R policies, without any push-back from the Rs.

That's why Oblamer can offload the blame for his failed policies on the Rs (i.e., I inherited this mess, its not because of my policies, its the hangover...), and at the same time discredit the proven free market solution the Rs are advancing.

If the republican leadership would actually bother to educate the electorate about the Pelosi-Reid Congress' role in the collapse, and the corrupt D insiders who profited from Fannie and Freddie and their interventionist policies going back to Carter, Obama's excuse for a shitty economy would not have had much traction.

Instead, the dopes just concede by their silence that the collapse is a product of R policies, when 99% of it is purely the result of D policies. I guess actually telling the truth and holding the Ds to account for their corruption and idiocy is too much for the R's politicians; eithe rbecause some idiot consultant says you have to be bipartisan and solution-focused to win the independents or it requires a little effort...but its all bullshit and explains why R&Rs economic argument was far less availing than it should have been.



Posted by: Wild Ride Ahead... at November 08, 2012 11:33 AM (bT79U)

366 342 Posted by: troyriser at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM (vtiE6

Like I said earlier: EXPEND ALL REMAINING ORDNANCE ON MY POS!

Posted by: Talibill at November 08, 2012 11:34 AM (WEWGu)

367 Ignore Hector.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 11:34 AM (W+Itt)

368
Smoking week?
Eh, weed.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 11:34 AM (sOtz/)

369 Screw the morality crap. Sell Capital;ism as a way
to live a hedonistic lifestyle to young people. As for Hispanics, just
respect their culture and bring up the fact the Dems view them as
slaves. That's a start.


Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:28 AM (CX71c)



Accepting illegal immigration is respecting their culture. Get your shinebox

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 11:34 AM (1Jaio)

370 Hector, YOUR thinking is the problem.

You come to the discussion criticizing the GOP for analyzing the election results.

The truth is the GOP has NEVER been hostile to hispanic interests( which should be American interests ).

That sliver of the electorate will never vote GOP. If you don't believe me then give me specific policies which would do it. Otherwise give it a rest.

Posted by: DavidM at November 08, 2012 11:34 AM (R/e5b)

371 @ 359 Hollowpoint

I bet you mocked me when I said Romney was in trouble last week. I was right, wasn't I? Maybe you guys should listen to me.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:34 AM (CX71c)

372 I don't know why people are so confused.Historically Hispanics are the most ardent supporters of socialism or even communism.just look at the history of any Latin country for the last hundred years
Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 10:47 AM (qEts0)



11-ty!!!!!!!!! times a million

Posted by: jake in ID at November 08, 2012 11:35 AM (W6iIX)

373 In the future, I want pot legalized.

And I want pot smokers under the age of 30 to be given lots of it, free, every day that voting is allowed to keep them from the polls.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:35 AM (OWjjx)

374 Good to know. We can add Hispanics, as a group, to our list of groups of people who are stupid.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 11:35 AM (zpqa2)

375 So stop the culture war crap. Use Hedonism to sell Free markets!
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:31 AM (6Lik1)

Your now reaching trolling level.

Hedonism is Anti-Free Market because Hedonism denies personal responsibility for ones actions.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:35 AM (i3OIF)

376
While we are selling California back to Mexico, ( I would charge them one bottle of cheap Tiquila and a used condom), Why not give then the entire west coast, plus Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico. And stipulate they fuck Hector up his ass to seal the bargain. Sell Canada the North East.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 11:35 AM (OlN4e)

377 Don’t abandon your low information Obama voter friends, but be sure to educate them in a cause and effect manner when they start struggling.
Posted by: Rizzyg at November 08, 2012 11:23 AM (CTZLp)


I would prefer to observe them cease the respiratory process.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 08, 2012 11:35 AM (FRJxT)

378 Conservatism is for grown-ups out there in the world being self-sufficient. See any problem with that these days?

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 11:35 AM (FcR7P)

379 @ 369 TheQuietMan

Your comment of equating Hispanic with illegal is why we lost. keep it up. Then again I take heart that Republican bigots like you will die out or be driven from the party. You guys are marked.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:36 AM (CX71c)

380 62 Some say the passage of prop 187 in ca in 1990's was when Hispanics came to believe that the GOP is racist.


What race are they?

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 11:36 AM (GFM2b)

381 Who cares? We're all fucked.

Bill Mahr has more power over the citizens in this stupid country than the Republican Party. The Republican party is DEAD and has NO IDENTITY.

They're spending way to much fucking time trying to appease EVERYONE when they should be standing by they laurels and LEADING THIS NATION TO PROSPERITY.

They fucking suck. I'm thinking of going independent.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 08, 2012 11:36 AM (UK9cE)

382 And btw, we lived in Monterrey Mexico for a few years when i was a kid,
we went there legally, it's not asking too much for Mexicans who want to
come here to show the same courtesy and respect. And no, expecting that
same courtesy and respect doesn't make someone a racist, regardless of
what some want you to think.

Posted by: booger at November 08, 2012 11:36 AM (HI6wa)

383 @ 375 Nate

You need to make money to live a hedonistic lifestyle. Hence Capitalism is the only way to get there.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:36 AM (CX71c)

384 Maybe you guys should listen to me.

Why? You don't say anything.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 11:37 AM (evdj2)

385 Of course, that would mean the Drug Lords would be running the west coast. They run large parts of Mexico now and the Mexican Government can't do shit about it.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 11:37 AM (OlN4e)

386 355 I think Hector is a troll. Will ignore from here on out.
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 11:32 AM (YdQQY)


Hector. His name says it all...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 11:37 AM (vCK/R)

387 Your comment of equating Hispanic with illegal is why we lost. keep it up. Then again I take heart that Republican bigots like you will die out or be driven from the party. You guys are marked.
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:36 AM (CX71c)

By the time that happens then the country will be bankrupt. There is nothing you can do to stop that now.

Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 11:37 AM (i3OIF)

388
The majority of Hispanics are not illegal. We need to stop with this attitude.
Not now that they are in the third generation. Anchor babies and all that stuff.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (+9AX9)

389
The truth of Hectors opinions have been revealed.

"you guys are marked."

He is here to heckle, nothing else.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (W+Itt)

390 "5
ORCA failed. I was there. I saw it fail in real time.



But the election was also stolen."

what happened ?

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (WR5xI)

391
All of this is so depressing, even my daughter(1 who voted for Mitt, also voted for gay marriage here in MD, I talked to her till I was blue in the face, but she said I didn't understand. She also voted against the dream act. So even though she's fiscally conservative, she was liberal in her social views, and she was raised in a very conservative household. She also told me that she didn't think the republicans appear (not to her) to understand women and that maybe there messaging stinks. All of her friends are libs and bought into the whole he's going to take my tampons , abortion etc.. argument.

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (pwTow)

392
@365
Well put. Republicans have to attack the major Democrat talking points. Too often they allow the Dems to define history and the facts. It was great when Romney pointed out the president likes to have his own facts. Those were the days.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (sOtz/)

393
Hector at November 08,

Grow up. My family came here from the Soviet bloc. They didn't ask this country to speak their language, they struggled and learned English.. There was no welfare so they managed somehow. They were discriminated against, but somehow still survived. They didn't want the government to give them anything because they knew what the government would ask for in return. You talk about Hispanics as though they are oppressed. You don't know oppression. My father told me that he would never return to his country while it was under Soviet rule and he didn't. It was sad he didn't see it gain some independence. But I am seriously tired of hearing about minorities as though they somehow deserve special treatment. They don't.

Posted by: Deanna at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (+npP4)

394 And I must note that were I a TB, this infestation would be only a memory.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (evdj2)

395 Don't know if this has been mentioned, but many votes haven't been counted yet, enough that it may turn out that Romney turned out as many people as McCain, so we need to hold off a bit before making final pronouncements on turnout.

Posted by: stace at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (m+UHL)

396 Conservatism is for grown-ups out there in the world being self-sufficient. See any problem with that these days?

Dennis Miller has pretty well nailed this the past few days. If you're earning $45,000 or less, you may as well say screw it, and take the dole. My guess is that number will be $60k by the time TFG finishes his term.

Posted by: jakeman at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (96M6e)

397 Drew: if you are right - and I believe you are - then what follows is that we have passed the point of no return. The moochers and looters now outnumber the producers and there is no further restraint in the rule of law (or what used to be the rule of law) to keep them from voting themselves more freebies, paid for by producers.

I'm 55, and was raised knowing what the rightful place of government was, how juries are supposed to work - you know, all the things they once taught in families and in eighth-grade Civics. Unless there is a way to re-take schools and families (and it appears obvious that there is not), then this will not only continue but worsen, and America as we once knew it is over.

If you are right - and I believe you are - then the only option left for restoring America that was is for it all to crash and rebuild afterwards; in the meantime, what is incumbent on us is to do our best to insulate ourselves and our families from the ill effects as it happens. Our choices are to step aside and let it happen, or to accelerate it.

If you are right - and I believe you are - then we are deep in fourth-box territory, and there are topics that need to be rationally discussed that just a few years ago would have been unthinkable. Those discussions will include topics like "going Galt," civil disobedience, and even secession.

Gentlemen and ladies, we find we are living in interesting times.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (Jdtsu)

398 hey we're all going down the shitter. Just make sure you have a good wet suit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (79ueO)

399 Here is a weird exit poll result;
Americans favor less govt. 52-43 yes
Do you want Obamacare partially or fully repealed 49-45 yes
Do you want to raise taxes to balance the budget 33-63 no

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (NzBQO)

400
"You guys are marked."

You fools killed the goose that was laying golden eggs.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 11:39 AM (W+Itt)

401 If the republican leadership would actually bother to educate the electorate about the Pelosi-Reid Congress' role in the collapse, and the corrupt D insiders who profited from Fannie and Freddie and their interventionist policies going back to Carter, Obama's excuse for a shitty economy would not have had much traction.

Here is the problem, and the one we still do not accept. We assume that the American voting public will 1) listen to such a conversation and 2) understand it.

THEY WON'T. Because the average American voter either 1) does not care or 2) could not understand it.

We spend the day here with people generally more engaged in politics and probably more conversant of the subject being discussed....or at least willing to learn about the subject.

The average voter has moved on and is no worried about their fantasy football team, the latest adventure of whatever idiotic reality star they are watching or what is for dinner.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with an average voter is like trying to have an intelligent conversation with your dog about not getting in the garbage. They and it will feign comprehension so as not to look stupid, and immediately hit the trash can the minute your back is turned.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:39 AM (OWjjx)

402 R leadership must he purged. SoCons are now 25% of the voting electorate, and the pro-gay-sex leadership continues to abuse our patience.

Let's fight the culture wars. Our ideas are better, and God is on our side. Every time abortion comes up, we must attack. All supporters of abortion are baby killers. Call them that. To their faces.

The RINO squish leadership isn't u retested in elections. They're interested in fat cat do nothing jobs and a fresh supply if young boys to rape.

SoCon leadership now or we walk.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (5tiWJ)

403 >>>>>A 10, 20 and 50 Billion dollar bill. When he sent it to me, he told me
that the $50 Billion would buy a loaf of bread, and maybe some whatever
it is they use in place of peanut butter. That is where we are headed;
and the sad fact is nobody in this country (exceptthe few adults who
understand and care about the math behind it all) cares.
_

And are you going to wheel your money around like the people in Zimbabwe or are you going to assume that system is no longer functional and look to another? I'm not sayin the transition is going to be easy-breezy, but we know it's coming, we can start to prepare alternate systems. We don't even have to come up with alternatives because they already exist. We simply have to start employing them.

We need a change in perspective and focus. The dominant perspective here is to try and find a way to regain control of the Progressive State. But, for what purpose? We know it's going to fail. Why the hell should we waste our time trying to gain control over a failing system? It makes no sense.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (J4gw3)

404 Under cock sucker in the Dictionary there is a picture of Harry Reid

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (79ueO)

405
I think Hispanics do NOT care about amnesty.
-----
Well, they (most) DO. They really do.

They also see opposition to it as an assault on their culture,and their being. If you oppose amnesty you oppose them. Just as Hector sees the comments on this thread as heavy hispanic bashing, hispanics see it as a direct attack.

That will not change by speaking at their schools or handing out free copies of Atlas Shrugged.


Posted by: RioBravo at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (eEfYn)

406 Looking forward to the next republican candidate for pres, here's what I see: 1) Compelling personal story - i.e., blue collar or ethnically exotic. Or both, like Barky and Biden. 2) Abortion and rape are off the table. Abortion is the law of the land. It's a personal choice, and shut the hell up about legitimate rape. It used to be that the majority of people were squishy pro-life. I don't think that's true anymore. 3) Lifestyle. This is going to tick off base republican voters, but the ship has sailed on gay relationships. Younger people know lots and lots of gay people. Start right now and figure out an acceptable position on gay relationships. The Log Cabin Republicans and guys like HillBuzz should take the lead on this. 4) Get aggressive in the public square and make it cool to be a republican, owning your own business is cool, making decisions for yourself is cool, and sitting around waiting for Santa to deliver your free stuff is uncool. 5) Save the heavy thinking for position papers. Educational research is showing that younger people have grown up in a digital world and have shorter attention spans and think differently. The KISS principle needs to be invoked. Math was a loser. 6) Nixon's Silent Majority is dead. Reagan's Democrats are also dead or in a nursing home. The majority of older voters next time out will be baby boomers. They are not going to be conservative republicans automatically. They are white-guilt old fogies who still crave to be cool. Being old, they will turn out to vote in large numbers, and it's a big bulge demographically. We need them.

Posted by: Boots at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (neKzn)

407 155 BOEHNER MUST GO.

Is there some decent conservative in the House who has the balls to risk his political career to challenge this fucking Quisling for the speakership?

Paul Ryan? Michelle Bachmann?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 11:03 AM (vCK/R)

--Amen. How about a simple "We absolutely, positively, WILL NOT raise the debt ceiling, period".
Boehner is such an embarrassment, that I'm actually looking forward to the crying and the awe-shucks response to Pelosi and Reid. Paul Ryan would be AWESOME, but nobody is going to upset the apple cart in the House. How can Reid constantly get on TV and bash the hell out of Republicans, and all we ever get from House leadership is the saddest, wimpiest responses that a man can possibly deliver?

Posted by: rightwingva at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (pDXql)

408 317 i think we should spend the next few years trying to burn the MSM down to the ground.

Posted by: we are so screwed at November 08, 2012 11:26 AM (HEa5q)
____________
Definitely. At the very least, no more 2-on-1 debates.

Posted by: Dante at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (NWLVJ)

409 @ 388 harleycowboy

Good to see a sensible comment! We need to start to take back our party from the Nativist trash who have hijacked it. The survival of our nation depends on it.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (6Lik1)

410 This is no surprise. You come to a country illegally and that country's government, which should throw you out on your ass, not only doesn't do so but gives you all sorts of "free" stuff thanks to the American taxpayer: food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, education. So what do they learn: You can break the law and get rewarded and you don't have to do anything other than get yourself over the extremely porous and soon to be wide open border.
Big surprise that these folks are just fodder for the Democrats' mill. And the Democrats (who are not reproducing at a sufficient replacement rate due to contraception -- now "free" -- and their absolute love of abortion) need a new supply of useful idiots. How convenient for them that there is one right next door.
The Republican leadership is full of fools if they think for one minute that their support of amnesty will get them any votes from this new Democrat interest group.

Posted by: Natasha at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (jU5uf)

411 If we brought in Italians today, would the result be
different? Your screw them attitude is why the GOP is,losing Asians and
Hispanics.

Keep it up, you are proving my point!


Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:30 AM


No I doubt they would be any different, that is my point. The immigrants from all walks of life and nationalities from the old breed did their best to become American, they fought in our wars, worked in our factories, and embraced their new home. The new breed, not so much, no matter where they are from.

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (FMbng)

412 (The quote is from Eric Erickson attempt at a conclusion about why the debacle happened.)

"No immigrant comes to the United States wanting to be on welfare"

They do when it's a better life than what they had in their own country.

They don't seem to have any problems signing up for anything and everything. And it's easier than getting a job. The welfare worker speaks spanish or will provide a translator. Forms are available in spanish.

Every single mother hispanic that I've ever known is on section 8. They get here and their first stop after greeting any family already here is the local welfare office.

Section 8 can be received by certain individuals (single mothers with children, older people) even if they work.

Food stamps are available even if they have a job.

Plus given that many hispanics do part time or by the job labor that is paid in cash, they can get full benefits and their pay. The Hispanic "community" is close knit and discriminates against whites and sometimes blacks when it comes to hiring and knowing what's going on.

P.S. if you've ever been around some hispanics at work or elsewhere and got a feeling that you were being talked about? You're probably correct. I would hide that I understood spanish when I had to work day labor and such and later when I was the line boss for a bunch of hispanic women doing assembly. They WILL talk about you (and very nastily sometimes and not just me) behind your back but to your face in spanish. (they kept quiet once they knew I knew spanish)

They are very insular and selfish people. They think only of their immediate family (which is normal) and disregard any harm they may do to the host country.( they don't care and if they think about it, they think that whites stole the country from them or are discriminating against them)

I know there may be some who'll berate me and say that what I'm talking about doesn't apply to ALL hispanics. Maybe so but it applies to all the ones I knew for 40 years working in manufacturing at different levels and places all across the country. How does that gibe with what you think? Plus, I'm not the only one who's experienced this.

Look at the attitude in Puerto Rico. They finally voted that they should become a state. Why? the consensus on the street and interviewees was they would get MORE BENEFITS than they do now. Puerto Ricans have to move here to get all the benefits that are handed out. That's because the Federal Govt mandates that States pay for it. Puerto Rico isn't a state and doesn't have the money.

On their going for Obama, I say they broke it, they bought it. Let's see if they can do better than they did in their own country. My guess; lots of reverse immigration as the jobs keeping getting cut. Amnesty or not. They're here only for the money and not dreams of freedom or liberty. That takes too much responsibility. Something they've shown themselves to be lacking in their home country.

(I'm mainly talking about those who are illegals or have come here due to family being here. not those born here but there's some of those even so.)

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 11:40 AM (SP4jC)

413
Well, at least some of you are starting to re-examine your premises.
That's a good thing.
The other thing is to...change your messaging just a wee bit. Thisd morning, I heard a popular right side radio host calling Christie a 'fat bastard' for meeting with Obama in the aftermath of Sandy.What?You're shitting me, right? The governorwas supposed to ignore Obama and the Feds during a time of crisis in his own state? Then what? Get raked over the coals by both sides for not doing his job? When people are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, according to your own ideology - and many commentors on this website -conservatives havedefinitely screwed up their 'message.'

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 08, 2012 11:41 AM (WwR1j)

414 406 Boots

I agree with everything you wrote.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:41 AM (6Lik1)

415 Ooops, meant to say yeah it would be totally different.

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 11:41 AM (FMbng)

416

383

Actually a lot the poor in America live a pretty hedonistic life style. It doesn't require capitalism if the government is taking care of your basic needs and raising your children for you. They live hedonistic lives spending all of their energy to distract themselves from being poor with diversions instead of actually working to not be poor.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 08, 2012 11:41 AM (RteAT)

417
Now it's "Nativist trash." from the troll.
He's here to sling shit.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (W+Itt)

418 Priorities! Obama too 'exhausted' by campaign to hold traditional post-election press conference http://bit.ly/UyfXrj

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (8sCoq)

419 Is it too early to start drinking? My had hurts.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (Vk6ZI)

420
@318 What hostile attitude?
Read the comments and get back to me.

Those comments are directed at you and your ideas, douchenozzle.

Nobody but NOBODY in the GOP is standing on a rooftop and shouting about how we don't like brown people. You keep going on about "appealing to Hispanics" and not saying what that really means.

If you interpret our unwillingness to abandon the principles of limited government as racism. That's utter bullshit and you know it.



Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (4I3Uo)

421 The GOP and everyday Republicans DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN!

That's the problem.

Let's face it, minorities don't want better policies or a better life, they want to know somebody's out "fighting for them".

Obama decimated the black community. Obama has been the worst thing to happen to black people in 60 years.

It doesn't matter, they felt like he was on their side.

Hispanics really don't want to hear about immigration, we think too much in terms of policy. Hispanics want to think they have a guy on the inside fighting for them. Most people think economics is a con game run by elite people. They either think this consciously or subconsciously.

The way to combat this is to confront it. Use racial language. Yep. Nobody wants a colorblind society. They don't want abstract ideas. They don't even want concrete policies. They want a voice.

Hispanics don't want immigration reform, a wave of cheap labor doesn't help them any. What they don't want is to feel that anti-immigrant is directed at them.

It's time to do to the Dems what they did to, say, the Arizona law. It's time to irresponsibly demonize their legislation as anti-whatever.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (T0NGe)

422 ORCA failed. I was there. I saw it fail in real time.



But the election was also stolen.

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2012 10:32 AM (I2LwF)

Ditto that.ORCA was a technology solution that failed because of poor distribution and integration, IMO. My county GOP office didn't know what they were doing. They couldn't get the credentials in volunteers hands before election day, could not properly communicate or identify volunteers and were disorganized in general.
On the upside, it was such a clusterfark, I bailed out and managed to get in 18 before sundown on election day.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (JJ+PT)

423 So forty years after the women's movement launched, with Steinem, Abzug et al shrilling that women are NOT SEX OBJECTS...their daughters and granddaughters vote with their cooter.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (jm/9g)

424
When you allow your country to be successfully invaded by more motivated foreigners than you're willing/able to repel, pretty sure the consequence is that you lose your country.

That 's a rule or something. Ask the Romans how it worked out with the Vandals, Visigoths and Huns; or the Incas and Aztecs how they fared with the Spanish or, heck, ask the Wampanoag how it went when the Pilgrims showed up.

.

Posted by: Alaric I at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (Xv7f/)

425 Here is a weird exit poll result;Americans favor less govt. 52-43 yesDo you want Obamacare partially or fully repealed 49-45 yesDo you want to raise taxes to balance the budget 33-63 no
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 08, 2012 11:38 AM (NzBQO)

This just proves the point that America voted for personality over substance or beliefs.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (2zM0P)

426 there are more parasites in the wagon than workers pulling it. sad, we are outnumbered.

Posted by: coldwarrior at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (fpL1+)

427 My conclusions:

1) The GOP is 100%, absolutely, positively worthless.

2) The majority of voters don't give a damn about anything except free swag.

3) However bad Obama's policies may be regarding damaging the country, they are nothing compared to the fact that the majority of voters don't give a damn about anything except free swag.

4) It wasn't about abortion extremism or anti-immigration policies or any social issue. It was about the majority of voters don't give a damn about anything except free swag.

5) Newsweek was right, we are all socialists now. The majority of voters don't give a damn about anything except free swag.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (Hx5uv)

428 @ 412 Jcw46

Way to win people over, NOT!

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (6Lik1)

429 I'm going to explain why Romney lost with an accurate description of a conversation I had with my sis, a happy Obama voter:

Her: I don't trust Romney.
Me: Why?
Her: Because he changes his mind a lot.
Me: And the President didn't?!
Her: No, not really.
Me: *facepalm* (proceeds to list a number of flip flops, emphasizing gay marriage)
Her: I still don't trust Romney

Most people my age or younger are pop voters. They treat this like American Idol. Not one in ten could accurately describe the 5th Amendment off the top of their heads, much less tell you who is the head of the Fed, even less so what the Fed does or describe QE.

You can blame the schools all you want, but the curriculum hasn't changed all that much. Things like rights don't matter to these kids because they've never seen anyone lose them. So instead they try to get "new" rights and think they are doing wonderful things, even if they are incompatible with current rights or the laws of math itself. You try to explain it to them and they lose interest very quickly.

They don't argue with you; they just don't care.

We are well on our way to the Road to Serfdom. While I don't recommend giving up the ship, I can't sit here and say there's a good chance on us turning things around with this sort of electorate.

Posted by: Aaron at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (Tlix5)

430 It's not the "illegal", stupid, it's the "immigration"!

Since 1965, America has let in millions of foreigners with foreign values - not based on American needs, but on "compassion".

Foreign values mean foreign votes.

Any questions?

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (i8u8P)

431 Most people just do not care about politics as much as we do.

We need to really come to terms with that. They just don't care.

I have two groups of people on my twitter feed. Politics and video games.

On Tuesday, everyone in the politics column was going crazy over every whiff of polling news.

The game feed was even more active with the release of Halo 4 and talk of how stores were going to get Wii U consoles.

Then Ace pointed out yesterday how we are the ones that want government out of our live, and it hit me... WE have made government CENTRAL to our lives. We are the ones who obsess and worry and freak right the hell out. Most people do not care as long as the government leaves them alone.

The only way this will change is if the government stops leaving them alone.
The bigger government gets, the more lives it will touch, and that will not be a pleasant thing.

So...just live. Have happy lives. Give politics a damned rest for a few months. No one else cares, and they are happy-ish. Why should we?

I am still in actual physical pain over this election. Politics is central to my life now. How the hell did I let it come to this? I don't really care that my county mayor is a democrat. I don't really care that my state governor support amnesty. I lost sleep over the presidential election. My chest still hurts because of it.

The federal government is huge in my life because I let it be.
And that needs to change.

Posted by: MrShad at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (Xqfwb)

432 How many of you think that after 2016 Obama will be gone and it'll be our turn? Show of hands? If there are more than two of you with your hands up, you're nuts. We have just permanently bought into socialism.A Republican has about as much chance as becoming the next president as a flying pig. Let me introduce you to the person who will be or next president:Michelle Obama. 8 years after that, we have the lovely daughters. If not them, then there's always Chelsea Clinton.

Game over, folks. Game. Over.

Posted by: Natasha at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (jU5uf)

433 I have a Russian who works for me. He came to this country with his wife and daughter and$10 in his pocket and not a word of english. He owns a nice house now, his wife and daughter are MD's. He is a right wing Republican. Possibly farther right than I am.

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (OlN4e)

434 "Good to see a sensible comment! We need to start to take back our party
from the Nativist trash who have hijacked it. The survival of our nation
depends on it."

Does that mean you disapprove of La Raza, Hector?

They're nativists. (don't give me that crap about the spanish being here first. They stole the land from the indians first is what you mean. How does that give them any legitimacy?) Plus they're racists. It's even in their name.

You're throwing around the "our" a lot. Got a mouse in your pocket? Or was there a delegate election that put you in charge that I somehow missed?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (SP4jC)

435 @ 424 Alaric I

The Romans treated the Visigoths like crap, that's why they rebelled. Guess what though, the Goths preserved the Roman system in Spain. They also defended the Romans Empire at Chalons in 451. The lesson is don't treat immigrants like crap.

Your Hispanics are evil attitude is why we lost.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (TVbdM)

436 The Republican party is going to have to decide whether it is primarily a social issues party or or one focused on enabling individuals to prosper and live free. The two do not go hand-in-hand. You cannot use a police state to enforce someone's parochial morality (you know, outlawing a plant less addictive than tobacco, contraceptives, and sodomy) and at the same time proclaim freedom and liberty. Keep on about how Biblical/Christian morality is the foundation of this nation, yadda yadda, (I think I'm a pretty moral person but according to most people here, I'm going to Hell), and GOP ---> GOTP (T = third) as the Libertarian party passes it.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (dZ756)

437 Galt, his eyes uncovered.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (ajn7v)

438 This just proves the point that America voted for personality over substance or beliefs.
Posted by: tofer732 at November 08, 2012 11:42 AM (2zM0P)

No it proves 48% of the idiots who live here are locked in Dems: Blacks, and the hard left. That means only 3% of the others have to be so stupid to fall for obama and the dems crap. Not a hard sell.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (79ueO)

439 "33
Let it all burn, watch the left suffer. This isn't America, this is an
enemy nation of anti-American forces whose diet is hate, ugliness, and
stupidity."

Rrrright. I guess thats your way of expressing your feelings of love, beauty and intelligence? Not to mention patriotism? And you guys wonder why normal people get turned off by the republican partisans.

Posted by: Fnord at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (hoJnS)

440 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (OWjjx)

Simpler.... Democrats appeal to voters on a lower level of Maslow's Herarchy of need than Repubs do.

Repubs talk about the good of the country, Dems talk about 'here' have some stuff for free'....

Repubs talk about a Strong Foreign policy... when most Americans have never really FELT a personal foreign policy impact (post WWII, hell, we even LOST Viet Nam, and no real impact to Americans themselves).... Dems say we will bring your Son's and Daughters home...

Repubs talk about lowering taxes for business, Dems give you a DIRECT Tax Rebate...

See how this works? Dems do Politics at the micro individual level.... Repubs at the Macro Level.

So, when you put this against Maslo's Heirarchy of needs... the UNAWARE voter, votes Dem...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (lZBBB)

441 i want to have sex with obama phone lady

Posted by: coldwarrior at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (fpL1+)

442 "The truth is we need to argue for and explain our ideas, we need to
accept that sometimes style matters more than substance and be willing
to reach people on their terms with our ideas. That means getting to
them in ways beyond politics and not talking down to them like the dim
children they often are. It’s hard but it’s what it will take."

Disagree. The "children" will only learn after they experience the pain brought about by their policies (and they will).

You're casting us in the role of parents. At some point the parents realize there's no way to get through that bubble with talk. Experience and suffering consequences is the only way low-info, slow-witted people accustomed to getting what they want from Santa (D) will ever come around.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (zpqa2)

443
I have to agree that the subgroups for the other side are not an issue until we find out why such a low percentage of actual living breathing republicans didn't show up to vote out the most socialist and the biggest failure of a president in modern times.

How do you lose a senate seat in ND?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (PHb2k)

444 2016 GOP nominee slogan:
"I remember when America was great."

Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (i8u8P)

445 I bet you mocked me when I said Romney was in trouble last week. I was right, wasn't I? Maybe you guys should listen to me.

Hector, that was before you mentioned you have a Hispanic wife. Why would I knowingly mock a man with a Hispanic wife? I'm not a fool who would dare question the opinion of a man with a Hispanic wife.

In fact, I'm going to enroll in the nearest multicultural studies course to help cure the racism that you so helpfully pointed out. I wouldn't have believed it myself, but when a man with a Hispanic wife says I'm racist, I believe him.

Then I'm going down to the local mercado to eat tacos. Maybe if I'm lucky I can meet a future Hispanic wife there who would impart her Hispanic wife wisdom into me like your Hispanic wife did to you.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)

446 @ 434 Jcw46

The La Raza boogeyman. OMG I am so scared. There is nothing Hispanic about them. They view themselves as indigenous Indians from Central America.

La Raza scare me, OMG brown people!
///

Get a grip.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (TVbdM)

447 who let the trolls out??

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (pwTow)

448 We're a Fascist nation. Economy in private hands on
paper, but in practice 100% controlled by the government. Totalitarian
central government tells you what to eat, how to furnish your house,
what your church can believe, and punishes those who don't comply.


Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 10:35 AM (/kI1Q)

I know I'm way late to the thread, but this is absolutely on target.

Posted by: blue star at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (rmdRH)

449
Turn off the power, or even just the EBT cards and a city will descend into chaos. I don't think the threshold is even three days.

Jersey City, NJ was actually on "lockdown" between the hours of 7 p.m. and 6 a.m., in the several days following the storm. Was it widely enforced? No. The hipster areas that weren't literally in the dark carried on, completely oblivious. Two dozen looters, however, were arrested within a day of Hurricane Sandy, not something the media is going to harp on.

If I was able to leave the northeast tomorrow, I would, taking nothing but the clothes I can carry. But I am currently bound to my looney toon area, a frightening prospect to be stuck here.

Entire states are held hostage by crack addled cities. The United States was not built on handouts. I agree with themoronswho believethe country can be rebuilt only once it has collapsed. Cities will become dystopian and eventually destroy themselves. The rest of the state will have to protect its boundaries. And start again.

Posted by: Unruly at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (2h1eI)

450 I see a day in America where winning American Idol will be seen as a step on the road to the White House

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (8sCoq)

451 People gave up freedom in return for protection. Obama promised to "protect" them. From us. His message worked. They "feel" threatened by us. He is the mocha Jesus, to them.

Posted by: tubal at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (BoE3Z)

452 Years ago, (decades maybe) there was a time when the average age of a Mexican was about 15 years. It was a demographic bulge the likes of no other. It was then I knew there would be trouble for the USA, as Mexico would have no way of coping with that.

Posted by: navybrat at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (mpZsM)

453 Do we no longer flush turds like Hector?

Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (OlN4e)

454 I see a day in America where winning American Idol will be seen as a step on the road to the White House
Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (8sCoq)


For all intent and purposes it is already here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (79ueO)

455
Disagree. The "children" will only learn after they experience the pain brought about by their policies (and they will).

This.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:48 AM (OWjjx)

456 I read that Jesse Jackson Jr. went on medical leave in June and to this day remains hospitalized for bipolar disorder at the Mayo Clinic. I read that he didn't campaign, or really even appear in public. I've read that he's in the middle of a House Ethics Committee investigation for his ties with imprisoned Rod Blagojevich.

And he was reelected. I wish him a full recovery and a speedy, fair trial. But reelected?

I don't recognize my own country.

Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (RIg+t)

457 Posted by: coldwarrior at November 08, 2012 11:45 AM (fpL1+)
__
she IS hot

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (jm/9g)

458 Lyndon Johnson was right

he said "We pass this (the Great Society legislation) and the (racial epithet) will be voting for us the next hundred years."


Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (8sCoq)

459 I, for one, embrace our new Pussyfascist overlords.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (IoNBC)

460 So, I go back to what I've said before - next time, we run Biz Markie.

No, we run Stacey Dash.

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (GQ8sn)

461 So what do they learn: You can break the law and get rewarded

And we teach the kids born here that they will be rewarded for making Bad Life Decisions.

High school girls used to be terrified of getting pregnant because that was generally the ticket to a shitty future. Now it's a ticket of 18 years of living expenses. And the schools hold baby showers, issue maternity cheerleading uniforms, and hold proms with free babysitting.

I would give a whole lot to be 18 again. I would live my life the exact opposite of the way I have.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:49 AM (/kI1Q)

462
And he was reelected. I wish him a full recovery and a speedy, fair trial. But reelected?

Not just re-elected, but with 70% of the vote.

Folks, this is the idiocy we are dealing with.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 11:50 AM (OWjjx)

463 Here is my 2 cents on abortion. I think that the women freaked out about abortion talk are not because they think you are taking away the future *potential* of them having an abortion... it is much simpler than that... most of them have had an abortion. A person who expresses that they are pro-life is already (in their head) sitting in judgement of them, and that is the source of their rage. I have no stats to back it up, just a few decades of reading about this issue, and talking to people. For some women, it is simply a form of birth control, like condoms or the pill. I think it is the same reason some ethnic groups won't vote Republican, because for many of them, sex-selection abortion is a cultural norm. Can this change, sure. But I think it will have to come from churches and faith, and probably won't happen at the ballot box.

Posted by: rightwingva at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (pDXql)

464 I will echo what others have said. Why bother at this point? I fear we are past the point of no return fiscally. I can't see any way out other than massive growth and that's not going to happen. I doubted Romney's abilities to stop the slide but hoped that he would at least tap the brakes before going over the cliff into the abyss. That's not happening now.

I asked my liberal friends yesterday what the plan was and how do we pay for it. They didn't know. I am not sure there's a way out. I told my English wife that I had no desire to be England - a faded superpower with a massive entitlement state - but that sadly, America was now firmly on that path.

Our choice now is either Greece of Zimbabwe. Fuck it.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (pLTLS)

465 437
Galt, his eyes uncovered.

Posted by: Dr. Varno

Galt and Darmok and Jilad, on the ocean.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (dZ756)

466 @ 430 Gerry

Your argument falls apart with the facts. If we had brought in teh same number of Europeans we did Hispanics/Asians, you think they would be voting Republican? Nope, Europeans would be voting for the Dems. I bet you didn't know Hispanic culture is actually European?

Hey when's the next KKK meeting? I am sure you would know!

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (6Lik1)

467 One point -

With all of the anecdotal evidence about Romney doing so badly with young females less the 30 yo., did the Boston Boys ever ask Sarah Palin to step out and rebut the Obama campaign's specious charges of the GOP being anti-woman?

Posted by: mrp at November 08, 2012 11:51 AM (HjPtV)

468 Since 1965, America has let in millions of foreigners with foreign values - not based on American needs, but on "compassion".

Foreign values mean foreign votes.

Any questions?


Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 11:44 AM (i8u8P)



Combine Teddy's little gift with LBJ's Great Society and 1965 has come back to bite us hard. Thanks to all who voted in the 1964 election

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (1Jaio)

469 Yes, the GOP has an internal problem with the immigration debate. You can't occupy both extremes and not the middle. But this race wasn't won or lost on immigration.

A lot of things went wrong.

While we'd like to believe that issues matter, punchlines
matter more to the swing (e.g. idiot) vote. If you want to take out a
sitting President you have to make him an object of ridicule.
Cloward-Piven: fix and focus. This is where the PAC money should have
gone, long, long before the election.

The press rioted (there's no other word for it) in 2008 to get Obama elected and in 2012 they literally formed a human shield around him. The press is the enemy, even more than the Democratic Party. Here, again: if there's money and effort to be expended between now and 2016, you could make a strong case that it needs to be spent cutting some visible members of the mainstream press out of the herd and destroying them personally and professionally. Pour encourager les autres. Boycotting the NYT isn't enough, something catastrophic needs to happen to their operation. Spend a few million digging dirt on that guy they just hired from the BBC, as a start.

The commission on presidential debates needs to be dismantled. No, they need to be taken out and shot, and their heads displayed on pikes. Flank them on either side with the heads of whoever in the GOP agreed, yet again, for the second (or is it the third?) decade running, to the same damned thing. The Stupid Party earns its moniker yet again. This cannot continue.

Paul Ryan's a great guy and I hope he gets a good shot at the Presidency someday in his own right but in this election he was a little too much like Mitt, too much the serious numbers cruncher. And...yeah, let's say it: This is likely the last time in my lifetime at least we'll see two white guys on the GOP ticket. Had everything else gone right and been done right the racial/cultural element wouldn't have cost the election, but if you need to pull every lever to make it happen it's a game you're going to have to play.

The GOP, and perhaps Romney, showed a lack of killer instinct yet again. Not so much as McCain, but if you are out to win an election and you are presented with issues like the administration's multiple failures on Benghazi and the (yet again) FEMA failure post-Sandy and you do not use them, you do not push them just as hard as the Dems did post-Katrina, then maybe you don't deserve to win.

And on that point Chris Christie proved that maybe he's not the guy we want taking that 3AM call.

I'm tired of all this now and have crap to do so this ends here. GOTV, the late start to the real campaign caused by the contested primary, etc. I'm sure there'll be lots of discussion...

Posted by: JEM at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (o+SC1)

470 There probably are not as many Republicans as we had thought. Once you have enough people lined up at the gooberment trough, even those who had once found the idea repugnant say, what the hell, I might as well get mine while I can. Once that starts, it's almost impossible to stop. And those "Republicans" join the group that votes for keeping the bennies coming.

Posted by: Natasha at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (jU5uf)

471 Our choice now is either Greece of Zimbabwe.

Yes, but won't it be exciting to find out which we'll be?

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (IoNBC)

472 There is absolutely no way to reconcile the differing viewpoints. You could not have had a more moderate approach than the one that Romney took. It failed. Unless you want to abandon all that you believe in, there is no more room for compromise.

As some point, there must be a true division of this country, period.

Posted by: MamaBinTx at November 08, 2012 11:52 AM (Abmgg)

473 140But, at the center of it all, is that we took our eye off the ball back in the 30's (if not before) and we lost it then.

Direct taxation via the income tax, and popular election of Senators were mortal blows to Federalism. And with true Federalism, there would never have been US Senator Barack Obama, let alone President Barack Obama.

Heck, with true Federalism, there would never have been President Bill Clinton.

Every problem Conservatives face comes from two places. One- people have forgotten the actual, deep-truth meaning of "All men are created equal" and "endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights." They've forgotten that "it is to secure these rights that Governments are instituted among men."

Two- the Federal Government has become the National Government. As feared by the anti-Federalists, the Federal Authority has usurped the powers of the State governments. States are no longer sovereign in their own territories.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 11:00 AM (/eBeAfter this election we may have passed the event horizon. The Constitution now cannot self correct the systemestablished to secure our inalienable rights. If the Government is not instituted to secure these rights this government lacksany legitimacy according to its own Constitution. Sophists such as the Supreme Court's John Roberts may find within Taxation unlimited government control over our lives, but that idea cancels out the very notion of Liberty or the inalienability of our natural rights.It may be time to review our founding documents to see where we are in establishing anew our liberty, and then to figure the way forward if that way forward is lackingwithin the current mechanism.The Free Shit Army are in the same place as the Brits at this point. They may be friends in the future, but currently they are enemies of our Liberty.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (46Ckm)

474
The symbiotic relationship has been broken. The parasites will now consume the host.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (+9AX9)

475 I see a day in America where winning American Idol will be seen as a step on the road to the White House

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:47 AM (8sCoq)


I wish. Barky has no talent, whatsoever. That inept retard couldn't win American Idol in a million years.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 11:53 AM (X3lox)

476 How many of you think that after 2016 Obama will be gone and it'll be our turn?

The "repeal the 22nd Amendment" movement started in 2009.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 11:54 AM (/kI1Q)

477 464
I told my English wife that I had no desire to be England - a faded
superpower with a massive entitlement state - but that sadly, America
was now firmly on that path.

That is what will happen. No longer the Great Satan, but rather a teeny-tiny Little Satan. Hardly worth the effort to terrorize. The next target will be China, for the muzzies. Bank on it.

Posted by: tubal at November 08, 2012 11:54 AM (BoE3Z)

478 A couple of months ago, I was speaking with a woman from Venezuela (not sure if she's a citizen, but she has been in the US legally for quite a while, and has her own business). She told me how much she wanted Hugo Chavez to be defeated and how bad he has been for her country. I asked her if it would take a long time for the country to recover from him. She said that it likely would AND that is why Obama needs to be reelected so that he can undo all of the damage that has been done to this country. While I was picking my jaw up off the ground, she went on to say how good things were for her business during the Clinton years (ignoring the Bush years completely) and how bad things are now.

The conversation came to a polite, but abrupt end when I pointed out that Chavez and Obama had a very cordial relationship and that Obama was in the process of doing to us what Chavez did to Venezuela. I can only think that her opinion was shaped by the MSM. I'm still shaking my head over that conversation.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (qtKqj)

479 "The symbiotic relationship has been broken. The parasites will now consume the host."

Well, no, they won't.

Posted by: mrp at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (HjPtV)

480 Way to win people over, NOT!
Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:43 AM (6Lik1)

Where did I say I was trying to win anyone over. I just related facts as I know them.

I'm hoping there'll be a reverse immigration once the country goes broke.

No country exists today that has the degree of separation amongst it's people. By language, by color, by religion. It's pulling us apart and the connections that once held us together have been purposely and with malice aforethought been dismantled and gleefully embraced by the invading hordes.

A common Language, a love of freedom, work and working together. Democrat progressive programs and their agenda have divided the country and made it easier for each group to subsist without contact with the other. Add in the transfer of money from the most industrious plus the active dismantling of the border and we know have become like oil and water.

The lack of mixing goes both ways. Blacks and Latinos self segregate as often as they are by the powerful and moneyed class.

Even so, you still won't find the same level of income workers associating with those of other race, religion, language.

This is what destroyed Rome. It gave too many conquered or client tribes the right of Roman citizenship but without causing a necessary bond to Rome itself.

We are in the beginning years of that sort of division.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (SP4jC)

481 Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (TVbdM)

I live in Central Valley California... small town...

Its NOT the color of their skin.... Its the MEXICAN FLAG they have on their car, right next to an Obama sticker. Its the STATED WRITEN intent of the organizations they create, and belong to....

When your groups WRITEN intent is to take the place I was born, and give it to another COUNTRY.... well.... yes... as a Vet who swore to defend this country, I DO have a problem with THAT.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 11:55 AM (lZBBB)

482 Tammy Bruce ‏@HeyTammyBruce

Not. Kidding. On Obama's shortlist for Supreme Court? ==> Janet Napolitano and Jennifer Granholm. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83519.html …

Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (8sCoq)

483 No I doubt they would be any different, that is my point. The immigrants from all walks of life and nationalities from the old breed did their best to become American, they fought in our wars, worked in our factories, and embraced their new home. The new breed, not so much, no matter where they are from.

I just love seeing a non-English speaking Mexican in a brand new shiny vehicle, while my 22-year-old clunker sits awaiting a part I can't afford because I've been funemployed for four years.

My government hates me and has taken away virtually everything I ever had. Starting with NAFTA, promoted by the America-hating BJ Cliton, my income has fallen steadily as the manufacturing sector has been gutted by leftists who gave away our prosperity to the rest of the world because fairness.

My income is now $0.00. I haven't gotten what I voted for in many years: responsible government that respects our laws and conducts its business as I do (or did) my monthly budget. As soon as I can, I'm signing up for every benefit I can, from a free phone to foodstamps and anything else I qualify for.

Fuck it. I give up.

Posted by: Comrade BackwardsBoy at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (lOmbq)

484
I am making hard personal changes.
Have a liberal, Obama voting sibling who always came for a handout when money was tight. Cut off. I'll be polite but nothing more and will only laugh at future requests for money.

I'm drawing my personal circle hard and close. Charities are all being reexamined and culled. I will make sure it only goes to the right places.

My family has already prepped but I'm bumping it up a notch.

My goal, which kind of doesn't make sense now,is to be totally debt free. Will have assets in the most liquid forms possible.

Battening down the hatches. This goose won't give another golden egg, whether it's family or otherwise.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (W+Itt)

485
Running Rebel@ 403-

Oh, I agree with you; the alternative systems exist, and I am going to use them as much as possible from now on. In fact, the wife is looking for a new car. I told her last night that under no circumstances are we going to buy a vehicle that has been manufactured here in the US.

The system is broken beyond repair, and it is an exercise in futility to try and figure out where we went wrong, and what we need to do when the next Republican (whoever's turn it will be) runs in 2016. My anger has turned to contempt andI truly could not care less about the future of the Republican party and its candidates.

Posted by: DaveinNC at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (boNGU)

486 We kept saying leading up to 2012 that it was the last chance. Let's keep to our word, and stop wasting time on the GOP and business as usual. It scatters our force.

It truly would be better to hasten the collapse. Every day they kick the can makes the reset more painful. Now that we've tipped, the reset is inevitable, so let's put the pedal to the metal.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (zpqa2)

487 As Witchfinder says (#464), we're past the point of no return fiscally: our debt is so great that the interest accrues faster than we can pay it down. Our national debt mathematically can never be paid off.

We're also past the point of no return politically. Entitlement voters are NEVER going to magically wake up and suddenly start voting conservatively. If we admit that we are never going to be able to regain control of this politically until after it crashes and burns, then it follows that THERE IS NO VIABLE POLITICAL SOLUTION to this, and we're wasting our time trying to find a way to solve this through politics and elections (following up on my own at #397).

Then what? What other options do we have?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (Jdtsu)

488
310 @ 299 Ed Anger

Do Akins and Murdoch ring a bell? Santorum was running on banning contraceptives. This was the image that got stuck we the GOP. Abortion is not a winning issue.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:25 AM (TVbdM)


Bullshit on your Santorum claim. He didn't want government to pay for it.

As for Akin (not Akins) and Mourdock (not Murdoch) it's simple -- avoid talking about rape.

You're too stupid to spell the GOP candidates' names correctly, make false claims about Santorum and you expect people to listen to you?

I live in a very blue area that demands their candidates are both pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment. Reagan Democrats. We lost them and the SoCons by keeping our mum on social issues. % million more votes would've really helped on Tuesday.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 08, 2012 11:57 AM (tOkJB)

489 The welfare state is going to end. It's just not going to end electorally. It's going to end when we go broke and after that those that want government services will not be able to get them no matter who they vote for.

Oh, and fuck them too.

Posted by: thirteen28 at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (AbmsP)

490
% million more votes would've really helped on Tuesday.

=

5 million more votes would've really helped on Tuesday.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (tOkJB)

491
@413 Warren Bonesteel
Christie absolutely reveled in the photo ops and sucking up with Obama. There's working on the disaster problem and polishing your own career at the expense of the nominee you supposedly support, and Christie chose the latter.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 11:58 AM (sOtz/)

492 I like how this Hector fellow keeps bellowing about how much conservatives hate hispanics and how they're losing votes, then tosses in snide insinuations about "SoCons, forget about the baby corpses already, FUCK."



Way to build a coalition, chief. By the way, I've got a nice cattleprod here with 40-grit sandpaper taped to its shaft, dipped in vinegar. I'll give you three guesses as to what you can do with it. Hint: it involves your ass, which may, or may not, be indistinguishable from your face, but that's none of my doing.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (Qb0jI)

493 who is saying minorities are shiftless?

I have found an portion of youth and most Dem party members as shiftless regardless of minority, gender other status.

gender and minority is shoved in the faces of the public a t large as in capable or irresponsible by the DEM party.

THEY are the ons saying people are helpless, WE say the opposite, we explain to them you absolutely can make it wihtout GOVT.
this is where using people to get power comes in, they USE people as helpless, dumb, victims, we see them as grownup.

are we wrong?

not us.

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 11:59 AM (hX8cq)

494 So true. The moochers are now the majority. The good news is that they are as stupid and drug-addled as always so there will be plenty of good money to be made swindling them "for the children".

Posted by: iconoclast at November 08, 2012 12:00 PM (EDF2i)

495
The racial slurs keep coming from Hector. I think he's trying to provoke the same. Nice try asshole.
Ace usually doesn't put up with this shit.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 12:00 PM (W+Itt)

496 One more thing, right now 40% of all births in the USA are to single mothers. Forty percent!!!


That's a lot of babies growing up in unstable homes. And I grew up in just such a home, it's enormously stressful for the children and the community.

And that's why so many people have their hands out, looking for the govt to take money from you at gunpoint (which is what the IRS does) and give it to them through a Santa government.

I don't see that a campaign focused solely on becoming a more socon party is going to help in that regard. And I'm not bashing the socon position, so don't take this as a slam. I just don't see how we get to 51% if so many voters are unable to fend for themselves.

The LBJ Great Society has brought us to this point, and it took 40 years to get here. Paying women to go on welfare, and then increase the welfare check every time she had another kid, well, if you pay for something you'll get more of it.

Daniel Moynihan (D) pointed this out back in the early 70's and was promptly called a racist, and his report on it shelved in the circular file.

Posted by: Boots at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (neKzn)

497 Men like Hector are precisely the proof of what ails the country. No morality. No moral courage among too many of our populace, and so the collapse cannot be avoided. Just... prepare yourself and your families as you are able. >_> That is what I am doing, everyone should. Also, don't put too much stock in the gold thing, I know it's fashionable and ZeroHedge is all about the gold, but when the collapse comes, the Fed's coming after the gold again just like they did in the thirties.



Do not ever put all your eggs in one basket.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (Qb0jI)

498 The "children" will only learn after they experience the pain brought about by their policies (and they will).


My cousins in Greece are going through pain right now, but to be honest I don't think they have learned the right lesson about the problems that were caused by bad policies there.

Posted by: skilaki at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (CFOVo)

499 The left has infiltrated:
1) the schools
2) the msm
3) the centers of higher learning
4) the arts

If conservatives do not make themselves vividly present in these four areas, we are destined to roam the wilderness in perpetuity.

At least, we still have business and can circle the wagons by putting our money where our beliefs are.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 08, 2012 12:02 PM (53riN)

500 Not. Kidding. On Obama's shortlist for Supreme
Court? ==> Janet Napolitano and Jennifer Granholm.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83519.html …


Posted by: Jones in CO: at November 08, 2012 11:56 AM (8sCoq)



I'm guessing he'll go for the lesbo.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 12:03 PM (1Jaio)

501 Oh, I agree with you; the alternative systems exist, and I am going to
use them as much as possible from now on. In fact, the wife is looking
for a new car. I told her last night that under no circumstances are we
going to buy a vehicle that has been manufactured here in the US.


I disagree with that sentiment.

You should do what I did- I bought a Nissan Frontier truck. American made in a non-union, red state (Tennessee) factory. That it's a great vehicle is icing on the cake.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 12:03 PM (SY2Kh)

502 The solution for the Republicans is very simple -- beat the Democrats at their own game. The Republicans need a bought constituency. Why don't they tax the money from non-profits and give it to the poor. By doing this, the Republicans don't lose much since most non-profits support the Democrats and they win big by causing a split between two of the main factions of the Democrats. Then no matter what happens the Republicans win. If the money for non-profits dries up, that is fine or if the non-profit Democrats fight, they can say that the Democrats hate the poor.

Posted by: KPopKARATheBest at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (a/X9o)

503
The racial slurs keep coming from Hector. I think he's trying to provoke the same. Nice try asshole.
Ace usually doesn't put up with this shit.

Posted by: Who Knows at November 08, 2012 12:00 PM (W+Itt)


Ace is struggling to keep himself positive. I don't think he's paying as close attention to this stuff as he was pre-election, will probably continue for a good while.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 08, 2012 12:04 PM (X1PJ8)

504 You should do what I did- I bought a Nissan Frontier truck. American
made in a non-union, red state (Tennessee) factory. That it's a great
vehicle is icing on the cake.


Same here. Bought an Acura RDX made in Marysville, OH with non-union labour.

And fuck the rest of Ohio.

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (GQ8sn)

505 That is why the GOP brand will have to go away .... there is no saving
it.. amnesty , nope... minority candidates, nope .... the damage has
already been done.


Can't escape it by changing the brand. Dems re-branded themselves as the "non-racist" party because Southern states went red. I guess every racist voter got a memo from the Racism HQ and switched parties, but I digress.

If the GOP dies and a new party takes its place, the Dems will immediately brand the new party as the new "racist" party. All the GOP voters went there, and we "know" the GOP is racist!

Oh historical illiteracy ...

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 08, 2012 12:05 PM (NmR1a)

506
The 1965 revision has been turbocharged by the refugee resettlement program. That's where we take angry villages of Muslim jihadis from wartorn areas and place them smack dab in some small town in the heartland of America. Watch the hilarity ensue!
Immigration by individual or family worked for a couple centuries and people came here with the intent to adapt to the consitutional order. At one time it was a selling point instead of something in need of fundamental transformation.I learned about the constitution from my father more than school. He was a big fan.
Now the future belongs to those who don't slander theProphet of Islam. Didn't see that comingwhen I was a kid. Should have by 1979 I guess.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 12:06 PM (sOtz/)

507 A loser party that is the bitch of the other, winning party cannot last. And don't cite 2010, because that was an attempt to take over the GOP from within. That's all the GOP is, an empty shell.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (zpqa2)

508 1: Who knows.
2: Yes (doomed).
3: No (see 2).

Hence, why I'm going with the Libertarian Party. If I'm going to lose--and make no mistake, with current demographics winning *is* literally impossible--I want to do it in style.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at November 08, 2012 12:07 PM (XnZLF)

509 1. Don't know.

2. Yes.

3. Of the last six elections, Democrats have won four, and essentially tied on the fifth. America is a center-left nation, and has been for a couple decades. We can fuss and split hairs all we want, but after the weeping has stopped and we put on our big-boy pants, we're going to have to work from the premise that the comforting nostrum that "we ought to win, because this is a mostly-conservative nation" is BS.

Posted by: General Zod at November 08, 2012 12:08 PM (2+bRt)

510 Factions under the same umbrella = mob rule.
Punish our enemies and get revenge? Crickets chirp in the MFM.
What was the dated Newton noted? Not before 2060 was one he scribbled, not intending to ever share. Date setting and all that being the reason.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (gMONh)

511 If the mountain won't come to conservatism, then conservatism must go to the mountain.

Word.

Posted by: General Zod at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (2+bRt)

512 There is no positive.

Unless you count: faster demise.

Posted by: nip at November 08, 2012 12:09 PM (11Tdq)

513 "In fact, the wife is looking
for a new car. I told her last night that under no circumstances are we
going to buy a vehicle that has been manufactured here in the US."

Buying a US built vehicle is fine. In fact, buying a vehicle built in a nonunion auto plant in a red state is a really good idea.

Don't buy _UAW_ built vehicles. That's key.

I would love it if Ace would start a boycott thread. Anyone with me on that?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (ymG7s)

514
That Palistinians kept agitating for a homeland to all sorts of sympathetic cooing from the elites of the world.

Why can't Conservatives have our own homeland as well? Not brown enough generally?

Posted by: Jaws at November 08, 2012 12:12 PM (4I3Uo)

515 I mean this in ALL seriousness - it is really too bad that Donald Trump went down into the sewer with the birth certificate stuff. How great would have an "Obama! You're Fired!" ad have been. He would have been a rocking RNC convention speaker, way better and cooler than Clint Eastwood. But the dumbass made himself radioactive with the BC crap.


So many missed opportunities.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (qe2/V)

516 I have to agree that the subgroups for the other side are not an issue until we find out why such a low percentage of actual living breathing republicans didn't show up to vote out the most socialist and the biggest failure of a president in modern times.How do you lose a senate seat in ND?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 11:46 AM (PHb2k)


You run a northeastern liberal/moderate one-term governor who banned guns and created the forerunner of Obama care as your party's presidential candidate.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (6BgmB)

517 If demographics have conservatism screwed, and the prevailing ideology is a self-sustaining suicidal march, then logic demands that we encourage the other side to quickly fulfill their desires.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (zpqa2)

518 One thing's for sure -- I'll be paying a whole lot less income taxes in 2013 since I am quitting full-time employment. I neither need, nor want, to work my ass of and half the year get back 50 cents on the dollar (the other half getting back 70).

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 12:14 PM (dZ756)

519 Sure there is diversity - among Democrats. They also share a common bond, the GOP is their enemy for one reason or another.
The GOP must take a look at how to protect the Queen. Which pawns need to be sacrificed? I submit abortion, pot, gay marriage and amnesty. Conservative voters in favor of dropping any one or all of those issues are ostracised to the point of not even showing up to vote. Democrats draw numbers from all of these issues.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 08, 2012 12:15 PM (gMONh)

520 WANTED: Brown people.

Immediate openings in the Republican Party for brown people. Experience not necessary, clean/articulate a plus. Duties will involve political bait/switch operations, counter-grievance cultivation, recruiting, ability to vote as directed. Salary based on party-equity "stock-option" model.

Please send a photo to 310 First Street NE, Washington DC.

Posted by: General Zod at November 08, 2012 12:19 PM (2+bRt)

521 Posted this on election day:
http://minx.cc/?post=334705

"The smartphone link never worked for users in PA and who know where else. Now I have to manually enter all votes by touch tone phone? What is this... 1984?

The Dem poll watcher was laughing at me...what an embarrasment...."

Posted by: joest73 at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (h6Xwq)

522 second the boycott thread

Posted by: separate at November 08, 2012 12:20 PM (JWT7J)

523 The Democrats have ramped up GOTV efforts since 2000. The GOP was unprepared yet again to match Obama’s GOTV numbers.

This election was lost due to the lack of GOP intensity on the ground in swing states.

The Romney/Ryan Project ORCA GOTV mobile based web page to enter the voter information from each polling location was overloaded and unusable all day. The backup method was calling in the voter information and entering each Voter ID by touch tone phone. The call in hotline was also overloaded and unusable until later in the evening when the information obtained was useless.

The Project ORCA disaster didn’t lose the election for Romney/Ryan but it highlighted just how far behind the GOP is compared to the Democrats.

Posted by: joest73 at November 08, 2012 12:21 PM (h6Xwq)

524 513
I would love it if Ace would start a boycott thread. Anyone with me on that?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 12:10 PM (ymG7s)

I'm IN!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (53riN)

525 Just thinking out loud here regarding an explanation of why Obama got 10 million fewer votes than before and Romney 3 million less than McCain. Those 13 million see the writing on the wall and have just given up because nobody can fix it. So maybe rather than being under informed, those voters knew the facts and concluded it just didn't matter. Thoughts?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 08, 2012 12:22 PM (qwK3S)

526 The GOP must take a look at how to protect the
Queen. Which pawns need to be sacrificed? I submit abortion, pot, gay
marriage and amnesty. Conservative voters in favor of dropping any one
or all of those issues are ostracised to the point of not even showing
up to vote. Democrats draw numbers from all of these issues.



Posted by: i like anchors

Look, I'm pro-choice but I understand the pro-life position and I'm sensitive to it. Abortion is what it is -- generally legal and a lightning rod. However, pot and gay marriage are hardly on the same level. If the GOP ran on a position of allowing states to deal with pot and gay marriage, that would go a long way. The Dem position is very appealing to a lot of people: this stuff should be legal but you don't have to do/have one. The Republican position is a bit off-putting -- you just can't do/have one. Now, I don't know anyone I take seriously for whom pot is their single issue, but it does reflect a larger issue -- government getting involved in banalities such as which plant you can pick, dry, and smoke (or eat). A lot of people don't want that kind of government, esp. by what they see as Jesus freaks -- of course, by voting Dem they get it back in spades -- but that's reality.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 12:24 PM (dZ756)

527 If it takes 2/3 to override a veto, I submit that 60-40 isn't even a mandate. 66-34 would be.
This "mandate" stuff is complete BS unless they somehow begin to approach 2/3.

Observing the way the liberal machine has created consolidated soooo many factions and the GOP's utter failure to respond, I won't be shocked to find myself in the opposite side of such an "American" mandate some day.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 08, 2012 12:26 PM (gMONh)

528 Ok, others have different points of view on amnesty.

But that's how the dems frame the question. There must be some other way of doing that.

Posted by: PJ at November 08, 2012 12:28 PM (DQHjw)

529 Burning it all down isn't going to help.

Because all the leftards will still be here. The elites, who got us into this mess, will still be here. The political leaders we have now will still be there at the Article 5 convention (if they even allow that) "representing" us.

The only way "burning it all down" solves anything is if there is a massive die off on the other side, but do you really think the elites are gonna let that happen?

Posted by: KG at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (p7BzH)

530 ORCA didnt even work. I spend an hour on the phone on election day trying to log in and couldnt. They finally bailed on it at like 3pm.

The Republican Party has become incompetent and embarrassing.

Almost as embarrassing as party hacks like Ann Coulter. She has truly jumped the shark and should disappear forever.

Posted by: AlecJ at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (5esZK)

531 "I asked my liberal friends yesterday what the plan was and how do we pay for it."

THIS IS THE PROBLEM, THAT YOU HAVE LIBERAL FRIENDS. I don't, and I have no shame about my values. I can find a million reasons to oppose gay marriage without touching the bible or the religious subject. For your information, none of the conservative movement opposing gay marriage in europe uses RELIGION to do it. And there are still a lot of EU countries that in spite of being big government (or BECAUSE they are big government) oppose further 'couples' sucking the government tit. The people who oppose gay marriage in europe are NOT religious zealots (nothing against them BTW, it is just culturally we do not have religious zealots) do so because more 'couples' (and not deserving families with children) would get benefits. Social housing is already stolen by immigrants. Now also the gheys wants a piece of the pie.

To the guy that talked about immigration from Europe now, you are DEAD wrong. There might be some cultural leftists in Europe that eventually end up in USA voting democrat but the majority is highly skilled and educated professional from England, Germany, Italy that do not come for handouts. Unlike mexicans. The problem is, for any German immigrant, you get 20 between latinos, somali, and other trash from third world countries.

Posted by: meh at November 08, 2012 12:34 PM (rnV3B)

532 The problem with gay marriage is that religious people view it as a sacrament or holy ritewith Godand the courts see it as a bundle of rights. Both of them are correct. Courts can't change sacraments or redefine terms which have existed for thousands of years.It's gone out of control and I don't know if anyone is going to make it out alive. Gays and Christians, gay Christians, Republicans and Democrats, Muslims and Jews, dogs and meerkats everyone is pissed off now.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 12:35 PM (sOtz/)

533 I was demoralized as anyone by results yesterday. Looking at the exit polls, I feel a bit better.

As a conservative, like Sean Connery put it in the Untouchables, what are you prepared to do? It is clear who the enemies of the Republic are--the MSM and Democrat office holders. They lie, coverup, and consistently push forward their talking points. Everyone on the right knows how they act. Like Capone, everyone knows that most all MSM members are de facto Democratic operatives.

If you want to get them then you must follow Breitbart's path. If a Repub on a MSM Sunday talk show gets the question what must Repubs do to get minority voters--then they need to say why do you think minorities hate Republicans in an innocent voice. If a minority usually a Dem operative concern trolls on the panel and insincerely explains that Repubs must reach out to people not like them, then ask why do minorities hate white people. Make them explain themselves--answer questions with questions about the premises of their questions. Bring out past associations of these people and their past statements in public on these shows. There is no good reason for any Republican to treat Al Sharpton with bonhomie. Call out NBC reporters on it such as why do you employ someone who spawned a race riot in NYC attacking Jewish Americans. Make them own their spittle flinging MSNBC'ers. Similarly, make ABC reporters own up about employing Steffie baby and Whoopie on the View. Make the conscientious such as Jake Tapper try to distinguish themselves from the overt clowns. Make fun of Andrea Mitchell through her husband Alan Greenspan who actively debased our housing industry.

Newt Gingrich was a flawed candidate but struck a chord among casual Righties when he attacked the MSM moderators of debates and their ridiculous Dem talking point questions. It is hard not to cheer when someone finally takes on the enemy. And they are the enemy period. They hate you, despise you, and believe that you are less than human because you don't agree with them that Govt. is a religion.

Alternate media such as Twitchy that tracks the horrible and vapid things that the celebrocrats say and do is one such thing. Imagine a prime time slot for RedEye. Mockery, disdain, and hatred are the tools that the lefties use. Call them out on it and embarrass them in the public square.

I recently found that Robert the Bruce was one of my ancestors through Ancestry.com. I knew of the story of the spider and him but went to check the historical record. While he had a checkered past, he was always a fighter even when the odds were against him. The moral of the story, even if you lose on principles, you go to the gallows with a clear conscience.

For myself, I teach political science and law classes at one of those huge institutions and now have tenure. Every day, going to work, I try to do what Paul Harvey did by telling about our constitutional history and its development and then tell the rest of the story. I uses my intro class to bring in budgeting issues and make them resolve the budget and then critique their work (I was an econ undergraduate). An example, one person said in class that everyone in govt serves under the President. I corrrected them by telling the story of Sam Rayburn, Dem. speaker of the House, answering a reporter who intimated the same thing by saying, "I served with 6 Presidents and not under them." In a separated system of power, the President is not king and other federal branches do not serve under him.

Likewise, I emphasize the necessity of federalism and the 10th Amendment and the limited powers of the federal government by reminding them that the primary goal of the Framers was to prevent tyranny and so far, they have succeeded. This is what we must do for our principles to endure.

To quote DWM Burns

Scots, wha hae wi Wallace bled,

Scots, wham Bruce has aften led,

Welcome to your gory bed

Or to victorie!



Now's the day , and now's the hour:

See the front o battle lour, [look menacingly],

See approach proud Edward's power --

Chains and slaverie!



Wha will be a traitor knave?

Wha can fill a coward's grave?

Wha sae base as be a slave? --

Let him turn, and flee!



Wha for Scotland's King and Law

Freedom's sword will strongly draw,

Freeman stand, or Freeman fa',

Let him follow me!



By Oppression's woes and pains,

By your sons in servile chains,

We will drain our dearest veins,

But they shall be free!



Lay the proud usurpers low!

Tyrants fall in every foe!

Liberty's in every blow! --

Let us do or die!




Posted by: wg at November 08, 2012 12:38 PM (2Ha9j)

534 Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:01 AM (TVbdM)

Man, just shut up, jeez.

Posted by: KG at November 08, 2012 12:39 PM (p7BzH)

535 i just had to do some quickie chores outside and the point I was trying to make about immigration was brought home to me in a simpler less fraught with emotion way.

I've got some sparrows nesting in the wall of an attached shed. They've distorted the siding by their nest and so they can get in to it.
It's particularly nice for them as the shed gets heat at night and the sun by day so during the winter, it's pretty cozy. they've started to really reproduce a lot of babies too because of it.

Now I wouldn't normally care but they've torn up the siding so much, I'm concerned that the weather/water will get in and ruin the inside of the wall. Very expensive and time consuming to fix. They don't know it's a problem. They're just taking advantage of an advantage to breed and live but I've got to stop the damage. I don't consider them evil for doing so but they've created a problem for me.

Even if we spoke the same language they probably wouldn't understand. We don't have a common framework of ideas. They'll be mad and I'm sure they would say I was being hateful when I remove their nest and board up the area they've entered by.

But that's the way it goes.

entiende Hector?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 12:40 PM (SP4jC)

536 535.

Brilliant metaphor.

You rayyyyyyyyyycist.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 12:43 PM (ymG7s)

537 Sure there is diversity - among Democrats.

"We got both kinds--Stalinists AND Trotskyites!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Crankypants at November 08, 2012 12:44 PM (/kI1Q)

538 The Trojan Horses have been delivered, whether we like it or not. Only four or five have been opened so far. Betterstart trying to get those that poured out from them to join our side. This is a dynamic situationthat calls for adaptation.
Wait till the hardcore anti- Faith in God troops come out of their horses, we haven't seen shit yet.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 08, 2012 12:44 PM (gMONh)

539 My ORCA experience was a little different than others because my "contact" with Centinello was through our County Precinct Chairman. I had volunteered with her a couple of months back and took the training. She (the precinct chair) acted as a clearinghouse between the poll watchers/ORCA volunteers, and emailed the voter list to me.

But I did hear that via the online signup with the campaign, they only got about twelve direct-contact volunteers in the Reno/Sparks area of Washoe County, NV). Two of those were at my polling place, but my County Precinct Chair had been told that I would be the only one.

All three of us had paper voter lists that included all voters in the precincts assigned to that polling place, with the idea being that we would check-off voters from the lists the poll workers printed every two hours, then go outside to transmit the data to ORCA (Washoe County does not allow the use of electronic devices like phones, tablets and computers in the polling place.)

I only had a regular cell phone and used the dial-in to transmit a unique numeric code for each voter, while the two other observers had smart phones and used the app. Since there were three of us for most of the day, we split the task into thirds.

What I discovered was that because the app required one to look up the voter by name before changing their status, it took a lot longer than simply entering a one to four digit code assigned to each voter via a phone's keypad.

I found that I could leaf through the 80 pages of voters and enter the numbers for 50 - 60 voters in roughly 20 minutes, while it took those with the app at least twice as long.

I realized that (while comparing the list of actual voters to those on my list) also copying the code number to a second sheet of paper would mean not having to search the list page by page in the car, but only require working my way down column of numbers.

That reduced the data entry time into ORCA for 50 voters to five or six minutes, which was a twelve-fold improvement over the app.

The other poll watchers using the app also switched to my method and saw an immediate and dramatic improvement in their data entry times.

IMO, unless the polling location allowed the use of electronic devices AND the app permitted one to see many voter names per screen (the paper printout showed at least 60 voters per page) and used simple check boxes instead of slide bars,) the app was overkill, and actually slowed the process.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 08, 2012 12:47 PM (OL4L4)

540 How long beforeDUUUUH WON (I refuse to use hisname)delcares a national emergencey and suspends elections, and declares himself king?

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 12:48 PM (+9AX9)

541 I am so fucking sick of identity politics.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (vg8iE)

542 Those weren't Trojan horses. We left the back door open and then the Democrats put a welcome sign on it. Plus installed greeter at the door handing out forms to fill out for free food, shelter, cash.

I'm surprised there aren't more here than there is.

Like i said. it's human to take advantage. as my example shows, it's species indifferent.

Take the easiest path, reproduce, eat the convenient food. those are animal traits we all share.

It's just that humans sometimes don't look out for their own self interest and now we're going to pay.

Ask yourself: with the conditions in play in major portions of the country, how many illegal non citizens voted in the election?

Who knows? == is the answer.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 12:51 PM (SP4jC)

543 The only way "burning it all down" solves anything is if there is a massive die off on the other side, but do you really think the elites are gonna let that happen?Posted by: KG at November 08, 2012 12:29 PM (p7BzH) Well, yes. Butsimply due to incompetence and social upheaval in densely populated areas. It is scary and unfortunate, but I believe that cities will literally burn themselves down to the ground.And if areas are not physically destroyed then they will financially ruin themselves. The Trenton Marriot is a city-owned hotel which is asking for $255K this year from the city councilto continue operating. Isn't that ridiculous? But what is more ridiculous is that the hotel already received $500K last year. Even privately ownedhobag hotels in shitty areas know how to stay in business.

Posted by: Unruly at November 08, 2012 12:52 PM (2h1eI)

544 The obvious problem is that it's impossible to "reach out" when everything you say is filtered through a hostile messenger before it gets to the target. This means not just the MSM/educational complex, but also down to the local level - church leaders, ethnic activists, etc.

For instance, how many of these Hispanic voters don't even speak English? They're basically living in a parallel society run by professional ethnic activists and media personalities who have everything to gain by keeping them separatist.

Futhermore, how many of these voters basically show up on election day without a clue, get on a bus, and get handed a ballot and told who to vote for? How can you beat that?

Posted by: infovore at November 08, 2012 12:55 PM (0llFJ)

545 What hostile attitude?
Read the comments and get back to me.

Posted by: Hector at November 08, 2012 11:27 AM (TVbdM)

I see your hostile attitude and commenters responding to it.

Posted by: KG at November 08, 2012 12:59 PM (p7BzH)

546 Not surprised Asians came out in force for Obama. They love the free stuff. I speak from experience.

Posted by: free at November 08, 2012 01:00 PM (Z5kvH)

547
The Trenton Marriot is a city-owned hotel which is asking for $255K this year from the city councilto continue operating. Isn't that ridiculous? But what is more ridiculous is that the hotel already received $500K last year. Even privately ownedhobag hotels in shitty areas know how to stay in business.
Why does the city own a hotel? It is not a part of the city's responsiblity to own one. As long as the hotel isn't responsible for it's own income they will burn through the free money and continue to ask for more money. The constituents should make the city sell it to be more fisically responsible.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 01:04 PM (+9AX9)

548 OK, I'm way late to the thread, and I posted this last night in a previous thread, but here's why Mitt lost, accounting for those 3 million 'missing' votes:

The
campaign made a strategic decision earlier on (like back in the summer)
that they were going to go after the independents in certain counties
in the key swing states, specifically Ohio and Virginia. Like, they
spent ALL the money in the 4 Northern Virginia counties up until only 6
weeks ago, when they realized that after looking at the data, they had
to get the base to turn out, and then decided to spend money in the red
Virginia counties. Nor did campaign state hq actually have registered
republican voter canvassing lists, or phone lists ready to go AND they
did not want to issue them to the precinct captains who wanted to turn
out their areas. They eventually relented, after heated words and
emergency meetings.

One PC decided to disobey campaign orders
and worked his district and guess what? Second highest turnout of all
state precincts and his precinct managed to go from 53% turnout to
nearly 69% GOP (87% all registered voters). This precinct captain has
now been offered a job at the state level GOP.

Not to malign
Romney personally, because he is a plainly decent guy whom I believe
truly loves this country, but sometimes it boils down to decisions at
these levels, which was replayed in Ohio, too.

Oh, and PA was a
ruse. It was a head fake to get the dems to spend money there. PA was
never in play. A good idea, and it had the left panicked about it.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 08, 2012 01:04 PM (20NzC)

549
Nor did campaign state hq actually have registered
republican voter canvassing lists, or phone lists ready to go AND they
did not want to issue them to the precinct captains who wanted to turn
out their areas.
They have been infiltrated. This should never have happened. Was nobody supervising these people?

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 01:10 PM (+9AX9)

550 Speaking of ORCA....

The Dems have been targeting low information voters since the last election. The GOP has been doing it since...when, after the primaries?

We mocked TFG for giving interviews to hip hop radio stations and to the MTV guy in knit cap but you know what? They knew that's where the low information voters were, the ones who didn't vote in 2008. And Bams jumped in and got to know them. He joined their culture instead of telling them why they should join his. And he got enough new voters to win.

Posted by: PJ at November 08, 2012 01:17 PM (DQHjw)

551 Hidajunshinette,

We saw something similar in Washoe County, NV to what you saw in VA.

I think that part of the problem was that for the Romney campaign, everything had to happen on an accelerated basis because of the length of the primary season, and in NV, disruption of the State and Clark County Republican party organizations due to the "takeover" efforts by some (not all) fanatical Ron Paul supporters.

Because of the compressed timeline caused by the nominee selection process, mistakes happen and their isn't sufficient time to make the corrections.

OTOH, the incumbent President has years to refine and tweak his election machine.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 08, 2012 01:17 PM (OL4L4)

552 The GOP can never win a national election by attempting to out-pander the Democrats vis a vis racial, ethnic, or gender groupings, nor can we beat the 'FREE SHIT HERE!' argument. What we can do is redefine the terms and broaden the debate.
Make it about freedom versus tyranny, the individual versus the totalitarian collective. And yes, it's time we started calling the Democrats 'socialists' loudly and often. Not once during the campaign did Mitt Romney even call Obama a liberal. The freedom argument has broad appeal that transcends racial and ethnic boundaries. So does the idea of American exceptionalism.

Theyquote Mao and wear Che Guevera teeshirts. Shove it right back at them: gulags, mass murder, the Five-Year Plans. Take the initiative with a new line of attack. Put them on the defense, for once. Stop pretending these people--Democratic Party leadership, the MSM--are political opponents. That isn't how they think of us. To them, we're the enemy.Let them know we agree. Let them know we're in it for the long haul, and we're in it to win.

Posted by: troyriser at November 08, 2012 01:18 PM (vtiE6)

553 Regarding immigrants from socialist countries (I am one): I recently went to the St. Josephat's cathedral in Milwaukee. It was built by Polish immigrants. What I mean by that is that they paid for the cathedral, and when more money was needed for construction, they took out second mortgages on their homes to help finish building it. The cathedral stands, and will most likely stand for decades, if not centuries, more.

I'm not sure this exists any more. Those people back then had independence and dignity. They viewed a handout as if someone were spitting in their face. Today, if you don't give out a handout, the entitled ones will spit at you.

Posted by: marek at November 08, 2012 01:40 PM (vlkVw)

554 They have been infiltrated. This should never have happened. Was nobody supervising these people?

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 01:10 PM (+9AX9)

Infiltrated? No. They were following orders from the campaign.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 08, 2012 01:41 PM (20NzC)

555 551 Yeah, I think the Ronulans were a problem to an extent, but Romney has been running for 6 years (essentially). I think last minute maneuvering and scrambling is a poor excuse. Hopefully the successful precinct captain who happens to be my brother will flip VA.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 08, 2012 01:48 PM (20NzC)

556
This post looks about right to me. What the demographics presented in this post tell me is that the constant slide to the left is pretty much unstoppable. As for me, I'm done. I'm going to give up and get out of the way of the liberals. I doubt I'll ever vote again. Furthermore, everytime a friend starts to talk about starting up a business, I'm going to try to talkhim out of it. Instead of trying to talk people off of food stamps and other government assistance, I'm going to be helping sign them up. Everytime tax increases and new spending programs come up on the ballot here in California, I'm going to pray they pass. More and faster, please. That's my new motto. I am to this country what Michael Ledeen is to Iran. Carbon taxes, amnesty, expiration of Bush tax cuts--yes, yes andyes! Single payer, card check--slap it on me, baby! Cut the military altogether and give the money to the poor and/or the unions. Give the 51% whatever they want.The faster the rich fall and/or check out, the better. Then we can all be happy.
But don't listen to me, I might be a little bitter... I'll probably feel better in four years.

Posted by: SpasticToad at November 08, 2012 01:52 PM (Zewfw)

557 556
... More and faster, please. That's my new motto. I am to this country what Michael Ledeen is to Iran. Carbon taxes, amnesty, expiration of Bush tax cuts--yes, yes andyes! Single payer, card check--slap it on me, baby! Cut the military altogether and give the money to the poor and/or the unions. Give the 51% whatever they want.The faster the rich fall and/or check out, the better. Then we can all be happy.
But don't listen to me, I might be a little bitter... I'll probably feel better in four years.
Posted by: SpasticToad at November 08, 2012 01:52 PM (Zewfw)In one of his letters to the Corinthians Paul of Tarsus spoke of kicking out a member of the Corinthian Church as binding him over to Satan. Mayor Koch, after losing his re election as Mayor of New York famously said the people have decided and now they must be punished. Which they were by the disastrous Mayorality of David Dinkins.Some will only learn by experience.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 08, 2012 02:57 PM (46Ckm)

558
theres a difference between the American nation and the subset of Americans making up a Presidential electorate.
I believe politically and philo-sophically, America people as a wholeare as center-right today as ever. What has quite obviously changed is that the electorate is now left-of-center and likely to become more so in 2016 and beyond.
2012 showed us that there is now a coalition of people in this country large enough to elect a President, (if it can be brought to the polls) that is not only supportive of ever-expanding government and higher taxes, but is anxiously waiting for it to happen and couldnt care less about much of anything as long as the government titis always growing and dispending wholesome delicious milk.
These people are not going away and its unlikely that they will ever vote for a Republican absent some total economic catastrophe (now looming quite visibly on the near horizon).
Thats thenew Presidential paradigm, andthose who want smaller government and responsible honorable conductout of the White House need to understand this and work within it.

Posted by: MikeD at November 08, 2012 03:35 PM (p8QOg)

559
i know it will never happen,but our fiscal problem would solve it self by enforcing two laws on the books.
1.it's illegal to hire illegals.
2.if your illegal you should'nt be here.
your talking 100's billions of entitlement dollars saved yearly.
if theres 15-20 million illegals working in american,and they disappear,hiring would have to take place,dropping unemployement.
if i were king.

Posted by: david lager at November 08, 2012 06:16 PM (ohZ9s)

560 "1. Did Romney’s vaunted ORCA get out the vote program crap the bed?"

Yes.

"2. Have the demographics of the country changed so much that, at least in Presidential elections, the Republican coalition simply doomed as presently constructed?"

Not in the immediate sense that Republican will never win another election . Even in California a Republican can still become Governor when the stars are right. It's just that unless the Republican Party fights for the demographic future of Whites, its future is grim. The electoral playing field moves left by a percent or two every election cycle.

"3. Related to number 2…is America still a center-Right nation?"

America is no longer a center-Right nation.

Actually, America is no longer a nation with a center. There are two sectional parties. The Republican Party is the White Party, like it or not. It gets 90% of its votes from Whites, and will stand or fall with the future of the Whites. The Democratic Party is the anti-White Party, and it increases non-Whites as a share of the population and in power (through Affirmative Action) on the correct assumption that those who are hostile to Whites will support it. That includes most non-Whites and 39% of Whites, due to left hegemony in education, the left wing mass media and other institutions.

In this situation, supporting your side and building it up demographically as the left has done is the way to win. Refusing to support your supporters and instead favoring "prosperity" and "everyone" but nobody in particular is the way to lose.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 08, 2012 06:40 PM (mnulr)

561 517 If demographics have conservatism screwed, and the prevailing ideology is a self-sustaining suicidal march, then logic demands that we encourage the other side to quickly fulfill their desires.
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Mass non-White immigration, remember?

The anti-White left can afford to promote suicidal lifestyles as long as the import an endless river of supporters.

It's tens of millions. It's a big deal.

If America had closed borders, the tendency of liberals to abort their babies would have been enough to create a demographic correction in favor of conservatives long before now.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 08, 2012 07:08 PM (mnulr)

562 DrewM - great post.

Totally appropriate questions to ask and totally sober look at the answers.

I think we could expand our demographic base of support but not opposing gay marriage or abortion, by legalizing drugs and by making propositions that aren't watered down versions of the democratic ones.

The only other way I can see is by having the country live through the collapse of the current technocratic welfare state. That hard-earned disillusionment might bring 'em back, but it might also make them whine harder - like the Greeks.

Posted by: Pyrrho of Elis II: The Secret of the Ooze at November 08, 2012 08:08 PM (Kd6lF)






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