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1 I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 08:09 AM (Vk6ZI)

2 Chrstie Starting To Realize We All Noticed What He Did

Chris Christie is a stupid, traitorous fuck who should DIAFisker in the rain. He is the Colon Powell back-stabber of the Garden State. Let him suck up to his new leftist union buddies. I never want to hear from him again unless it's screams of pain.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 08:12 AM (X3lox)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 08:12 AM (/eBe8)

4 Too Soon? The 2016 Republican Presidential Field

Meh, meaningless speculation. Everybody mentions Rubio these days, but Im not so sure that the guy isnt actually serious about a long-termcareer in the Senate.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2012 08:13 AM (Rn7r2)

5 Bets on how long before the gay hobbit shows up here?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:13 AM (da5Wo)

6 Day 2. 1,458 to go. Deja vu is a bitch.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:14 AM (XkWWK)

7 That Powerline link reminds me of the Dartmouth mojo. That's no upside, fools! Nanner nanner we're going down in flames just to spite you! Do they really think that the majority of Obama voters really care or understand where their bling comes from? They're magpies, not to slander magpies, or anything.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 08, 2012 08:14 AM (1V6Pv)

8 Ben you should let the morning news thread run for at least 2 hours before posting the dump. That would equalize them out some.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:14 AM (YdQQY)

9 The House GOP fully supports the President's sequestration plan. We will fund government only according to that plan.

Posted by: John Boehner, If He Had a Dick at November 08, 2012 08:15 AM (IoNBC)

10 I posted this at end of last thread:

One last question before I head out - if large amounts of people turn off the television while Beyonce is singing during the NFL do the stations know this? I mean would they be able to tell if people protested her this way? I don't know how they monitor cable/sat boxes. That "mitches" comment was so classy and Michelle-like.

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Hope ya'll have a better day today.

Posted by: osu at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (xR46S)

11 All you folks who are buying into this "demographic shift" are once again listening to the MFM. Remember, the MFM is your ENEMY he is not your friend.


Romney lost because he could not get the base to the polls.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (YdQQY)

12 Marijuana Legalization Victories Could Be Short Lived

Pot doesn't need much time. Marijuana smoke is 100 times heavlier and deadlier than cigarette smoke. Of course, you would never know this from the idiot leftists and the way they love to ban cigarettes but light up some weed. In Amsterdam, you get arrested for smoking tobacco in a coffee (hashish) shop.

Leftists ... the Error of the trial and error of evolution.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (X3lox)

13 brought over from the end of the dead thread...
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If the GOP wants a real libertarian message they

need to drop the drug war(or at least marajuana) and also get rid of all
those corporate subsidies including energy, banks and agriculture.


But yeah, that would take guts, so no.



Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 08, 2012 08:04 AM (fCMdQ)

I
forget where I read it...it was way before the election though...that
Mitt had a chance for a great moment to break the MSM stereotype of what
the GOP is about if he'd come out for breaking up the Too Big To
Succeed banks...make them go back to being real banks, so they wouldn't
threaten the entire system if one went down and wouldn't have to be
bailed out again with taxpayer money. Sort of his Nixon goes to China or
Clinton's Sista Souljah moment. Hell, he might have even gotten some
OWS slugs out to vote for him if he'd done that. But this campaign was
never really about big and bold ideas or strategies...I had hopes that
was changing right after the Ryan pick for VP, but it surely didn't
last. He disappeared toward the end there almost as completely as Palin
did in 2008.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (qEkGZ)

14 Yea, Boeing announcing layoffs in violation of another Democratic great idea, the WARN act.

But, since the entire plan was to hide all the bad news till after the elections, I really don't care.

I also laugh at all the media outlets all of a sudden discovering the "fiscal cliff". Yea, like it just sprung up Wednesday, November 7, 2012.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 08, 2012 08:17 AM (OWjjx)

15 "Boeing Announces Major Sequestration Related Layoffs Day After Election"

You mean it's not because of the shaky future of the Euro?

Posted by: Lady in Black - SMOD, where are you? at November 08, 2012 08:17 AM (lTVJy)

16 Jeez, I really hate to be a downer, but I really do not see any hope at all.

The left have conquered us because they poisoned our children against us for the past 40+ years. It's too late to take back the schools and we will probably never have a shot at the universities.

Welcome to the new dark ages. Sorry. I am an eternal optimist (at least I was) and believe the good Lord watches over us, but I do not see a way out of this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:17 AM (XkWWK)

17 I love how, the day before the election, Boeing was saying "Oh, no, we believe we'll be fine!" (because Obama told them to say that), and then the day after the election, golly-gee, whoops, those Sequestration cuts just snuck up on 'em.

So, what, Lockheed announces theirs on Friday, do you think?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 08:17 AM (/eBe8)

18 Bo didn't do diddly.


Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 08:18 AM (i8u8P)

19 2 Chrstie Starting To Realize We All Noticed What He Did
Chris Christie:... I never want to hear from him again unless it's screams of pain.
Anonymous sources are saying they're already releasing teaser clips of the DVD on the porn tubes. Apparently, Christie does a passable 'scream of pain'. They don't show the "top's" face or anything, but he looked awful young, like too-young.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 08, 2012 08:19 AM (1V6Pv)

20 205 Are we going to be saddled with this Samwise twat permanently, now? Haven't we suffered enough?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 07:42 AM (JDIKC)

Scroll wheels. How do they fuckin' work?


Here's the thing, Poppins. Most of my reading I done on a phone. Also, the byline is at the BOTTOM of the post.

Therefore, I can't fit 20 paragraphs an this twat's byline in the same page view. Therefore, I don't know which comments to scroll PAST, smartass.

Move the byline to the TOP of the comment and your advice becomes helpful. Still unnecessary, but helpful.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 08:19 AM (JDIKC)

21 Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (qEkGZ)

Agreed. If he went BIG he could have made Obama mighty SMALL.

But of course it would have been dangerous as well. Big Ag, Big Energy, Big Corporate are huge donors for both campaigns.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 08, 2012 08:20 AM (fCMdQ)

22 The demographic shift is that pod people now make up the majority of the electorate.

You will be absorbed by Landru (not Mary).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:20 AM (XkWWK)

23 Welcome to the new dark ages. Sorry. I am an eternal optimist (at least I was) and believe the good Lord watches over us, but I do not see a way out of this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:17 AM (XkWWK)


Israel was always threatened with destruction if they strayed from the Torah ... and it happened. The same is true for America and our Constitution. The die is cast.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 08:20 AM (X3lox)

24 Marijuana Legalization Victories Could Be Short Lived

Again, if they want to decriminalize MJ, fine by me, but let's not pretend that it's going to be this magic bullet that's going to fix all of our economic woes.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 08, 2012 08:20 AM (JxMoP)

25 18 Bo didn't do diddly.
Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 08:18 AM (i8u8P)


Oh my. Thanks for the giggle this morning.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at November 08, 2012 08:21 AM (YYyqq)

26 Anyone else find themselves utterly despising everyone they encounter under the age of 30, since apparently they're the reason the miserable failure was re-elected? I'm not one who has the ability to hire anyone, but if I were I would automatically toss every application from someone under 30 in the trash so they can enjoy the fruits of their choices.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 08:21 AM (zmlwq)

27 Romney lost because he could not get the base to the polls.


Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (YdQQY)


This just stuns me. It does not compute. I get that we all live in our own little circle and that you can't begin to extrapolate that to the country, but the base being apathetic is just not at all what I experienced. And the rallies of tens of thousands? Where did they come from? I would think that the type of people who show for "rah-rah" rallies is the base constituency. Am I wrong there?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:22 AM (da5Wo)

28 Again, if they want to decriminalize MJ, fine by me, but let's not pretend that it's going to be this magic bullet that's going to fix all of our economic woes.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 08, 2012 08:20 AM (JxMoP)

It'll expand freedom, shrink the violent drug black market and empty a portion of our jails over time. I'd call that a win.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 08, 2012 08:22 AM (fCMdQ)

29 Well today I write that letter to my Israeli friends and family telling them if and when push comes to shove they always can live with me. All of them.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 08:22 AM (79ueO)

30 Yes, the election was stolen. We are making decisions about our party and the coalition based on incorrect information.

I have a post on my blog (link in nic).

I am not a birther kind of guy. But looking at the math, this was fraud. I think it can be proved too.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:23 AM (JxIkO)

31 Chris Christie is a stupid, traitorous fuck who
should DIAFisker in the rain. He is the Colon Powell back-stabber of
the Garden State. Let him suck up to his new leftist union buddies. I
never want to hear from him again unless it's screams of pain.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 08:12 AM (X3lox)

This. And aside from the entertainment value of his anti-union explosions, he's never been at the top of any list of mine aside from body fat %.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 08:23 AM (qEkGZ)

32 This just stuns me. It does not compute. I get that we all live in our own little circle and that you can't begin to extrapolate that to the country, but the base being apathetic is just not at all what I experienced. And the rallies of tens of thousands? Where did they come from? I would think that the type of people who show for "rah-rah" rallies is the base constituency. Am I wrong there?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:22 AM (da5Wo)


This whole election stunned me. I still feel like I have the worst hang over of my life and no relief in site. I wish I could do drugs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 08:24 AM (79ueO)

33 23 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 08:20 AM (X3lox)


Part of me wants to haul my fat 52 year old Yiddish ass over to Israel, learn to fire an M-16, and just dig in and wait.

My mother, bless her memory, survived the camps and always said that the best of Europe's Jews perished there. Survivor's guilt I guess, but judging from my co-religionists in this country, she may not have been far off the mark.

G-d help us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:24 AM (XkWWK)

34 Welcome to the new dark ages. Sorry. I am an eternal optimist (at
least I was) and believe the good Lord watches over us, but I do not see
a way out of this.


The good Lord watched over His children in the original dark ages, too. Doesn't mean he saved them from infant mortality rates that would make us go weak in our knees, or hunger and privation like no living American has ever known.

And, yes, welcome to the new dark ages. It doesn't look like it now, but when people look on the history of the collapse of the American experiment, they'll point to three major things- the Civil War, the New Deal, and the re-election of Barack Obama.

The only way out is through. If we're lucky, our children or grandchildren will see it.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 08:24 AM (/eBe8)

35 Chris Christie did not have to praise TFG, I never liked him. He is a RINO! He kissed TFG's ass in public and probably killed Mitt Romney's chances to win with it.

We have to come up with a nickname for him, something appropriate like SCOAMF,TFG and JEF.

Posted by: CarolT at November 08, 2012 08:24 AM (z4WKX)

36 @28 But then you get the potheads.
Potheads are OK if they never leave Mom's basement. So, are you OK with a minimum legal dose? In other words, let them smoke but make them smoke much, 'cuz, you know, the smoker you get, the player you feel.
Logic and proportion are s'posed to over-rated anyway.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 08, 2012 08:24 AM (1V6Pv)

37 "Romney lost because he could not get the base to the polls."

Vic - Romney did get is base to the polls. We can look at the vote totals in GOP districts. The base showed up in record numbers.

5.5 million GOP votes are missing, and no one can account for them. The only explanation left is fraud.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:25 AM (JxIkO)

38 Anyone else find themselves utterly despising everyone they encounter
under the age of 30, since apparently they're the reason the miserable
failure was re-elected?


No, I've broadened it, myself. It's every other person on the street who appears to be of voting age. I know that's a bit pernicious, but what the hell...I'm just that kind of guy. Heh.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 08:25 AM (vbh31)

39 What's the easiest way to get a new thread posted?
Easy, have VIA start writing a comment i n the old thread.
You F*ckers do this to me every time.

Cut and paste time

"As a party, we are still campaigning against Santa Clause and Sammy Davis Jr's "Candy Man"
And
just like when your four year old gets back from Santa's lap, and
breathlessly says "And Santa promised me a new bike, and a Playstation
for Christmas"
And being the adult of the group, you wanna punch Santa right in the dicklicker for making promises that you have to pay for.

But if you talk bad about Santa, your child will hate you."

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 08, 2012 08:25 AM (BPyqV)

40 Welcome to the new dark ages. Sorry. I am an eternal optimist (at
least I was) and believe the good Lord watches over us, but I do not see
a way out of this.

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I don't either. But there is a calm that comes knowing that the train has left the station and it's not coming back. After Tuesday, I now no longer hold out any hope that the American people will do the right thing for the right reasons. When given nearly the worst set of circumstances over the last 30 years, and a president who, at best seemed woefully incompetent and, at worst is on a warpath to destroy America as founded, was still reelected, I no longer have any confidence voters will preserve America. No confidence. None. Pshewww, out the window.

I will no longer hold out hope people will wake up and open their eyes. This was the litmus test. And the American people failed. My calm comes from knowing I no longer have to wait and wonder.

Posted by: Lady in Black - SMOD, where are you? at November 08, 2012 08:26 AM (lTVJy)

41 Scroll wheels. How do they fuckin' work?


Scroll wheels are the least of your problems on this post.

Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 08:26 AM (z9HTb)

42 @33 It's pretty much like your AR. Watch for muzzle rise on 3, tho'.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 08, 2012 08:26 AM (1V6Pv)

43 "Where did they come from? I would think that the type of people who show
for "rah-rah" rallies is the base constituency. Am I wrong there?"

You are not wrong. Connect the dots.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:26 AM (JxIkO)

44 Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:22 AM (da5Wo)


I don't understand it either. Obama actually dropped 10 million votes from 2008. All indications were that there would be a huge Republican wave. Instead we dropped nearly 3 million votes.


And that was all it took in a couple of key swing States. Keep in mind that Dems will ALWAYS have NY and CA. We partially offset one of those with TX but with them having both we can not afford to drop any of the high population swing States like VA, FL, and OH.



We have to get our people to the polls and that takes a candidate who energizes the base. Evidently that didn't happen.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:27 AM (YdQQY)

45 Vic - Romney did get is base to the polls. We can look at the vote
totals in GOP districts. The base showed up in record numbers.



They did not show up in VA and OH. I posted the totals on the last thread. That is what cost us the election.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:28 AM (YdQQY)

46 26 Anyone else find themselves utterly despising everyone they encounter under the age of 30, since apparently they're the reason the miserable failure was re-elected? I'm not one who has the ability to hire anyone, but if I were I would automatically toss every application from someone under 30 in the trash so they can enjoy the fruits of their choices.
Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 08:21 AM (zmlwq)


There is a young gal of 25 that works with me at an ad agency I freelance at. She was telling me yesterday, as she arrived late, that everyone was texting her all excited about Obama winning. She didn't seem to thrilled, and I at first attributed her meh attitude to being tired. But when I semi-sarcastically said "four more years" she just as sarcastically replied "yeah, right."

Totally and completely anecdotal. But not everyone under 30 is brain dead. The vast majority? That's another story. And, OT, she's a very cute redhead. Too bad I'm shacked up and twice her age!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:28 AM (XkWWK)

47 Agreed. If he went BIG he could have made Obama mighty SMALL.



But of course it would have been dangerous as well. Big Ag, Big Energy, Big Corporate are huge donors for both campaigns.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 08, 2012 08:20 AM (fCMdQ)

Dangerous, yes, but at least you wouldn't have to live with as much coulda/shoulda/woulda regrets afterwards.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 08:28 AM (qEkGZ)

48 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:24 AM (XkWWK)

I'm probably going to go back there, even though I don't think Israel has much time left in its current life. The US will now be totally against them, without restraint. Everything that happens in the Middle East will be blamed on Israel (just as Barky did when he first got in and blamed construction in the suburbs of Jerusalem for everything on Earth) and I see a US/EU/UN embargo/blackade in the near future, but ... I'll take my chances there.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 08:29 AM (X3lox)

49 >>>We are making decisions about our party and the coalition based on incorrect information.

Part of the incorrect information is that all Repubs are on the same side. Establishment/Elites never wanted Reagan and so foisted Bush the Elder upon him as the ticket price. I do wonder if these same 'worthies' arranged to look the other way in the face of massive fraud to blunt TEA Party gains. Let's face it: They hateConservatives just as much as the Dems do.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 08, 2012 08:29 AM (3ZtZW)

50 We have to get our people to the polls and that takes a candidate who energizes the base. Evidently that didn't happen.
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:27 AM (YdQQY)


You would think just voting against obama would be enough to motivate people. G-D my head is throbbing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 08:29 AM (79ueO)

51 Too Soon? The 2016 Republican Presidential Field

Yeah, too soon. By about 40 years.

Posted by: Scobface at November 08, 2012 08:29 AM (IoNBC)

52 "We have to get our people to the polls and that takes a candidate who energizes the base. Evidently that didn't happen."

It did happen Vic. The base was energized and voted. I watched the Pasco County Florida vote counts all day. GOP turnout was at record levels, way above 2008 and that is a swing county.

Romney had the base behind them and they voted in record numbers.

5.5 million GOP votes are missing. They weren't counted.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:30 AM (JxIkO)

53 It'll expand freedom, shrink the violent drug black market and empty a portion of our jails over time. I'd call that a win.

My point was specifically in relation to economics. One of the myths that is continuously propagated is that somehow all of this new tax revenue is going to flood into system.

As for shrinking the violent drug market, those thugs that are put out of the MJ business aren't going to say, "Well gee, I guess since MJ is now legal I'll need to go out and get an honest job." They'll just move on to selling something else and continue staying violent because that is who they are.

Law enforcement and criminal justice funding will be diverted from MJ enforcement into tax enforcement and they will absilutely crack down on this. Government will give people a pass for lots of crimes but if you're trying to evade taxes they drop the hammer.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 08, 2012 08:30 AM (JxMoP)

54 I don't buy into the "fraud" theory. To do that over such a wide area in multiple States would require too many people involved and you could never keep in secret.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:30 AM (YdQQY)

55 2016 Republican Presidential Field is way off, Condi doesn't want politics, Ryan never won a statewide run, Rubio has only been a senator, Haley, Martinez haven't been governors except for one term.
I agree with Jindal and I would add Rick Perry, that man is an optimist. I know he flamed out last year but he had back surgery the month before.
Perry always has a smile on his face. After two terms with a black man as POTUS, I do not think the US would elect a woman next.

The media will push Deval Patrick, our frigging useless governor.

Posted by: CarolT at November 08, 2012 08:31 AM (z4WKX)

56 I'm probably going to go back there, even though I don't think Israel has much time left in its current life. The US will now be totally against them, without restraint. Everything that happens in the Middle East will be blamed on Israel (just as Barky did when he first got in and blamed construction in the suburbs of Jerusalem for everything on Earth) and I see a US/EU/UN embargo/blackade in the near future, but ... I'll take my chances there.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 08:29 AM (X3lox)

Watch this:

http://weaselzippers.us/

3 or 4 stories down

And it is only gonna get worse.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 08:31 AM (79ueO)

57
Romney had the base behind them and they voted in record numbers.

5.5 million GOP votes are missing. They weren't counted.
I agree with this, I saw first hand in freaking MD that turn out was high.
Problem is how do we prove it, and if we can prove it who will listen, and what can be done about it now?

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 08:32 AM (pwTow)

58 "They did not show up in VA and OH. I posted the totals on the last thread. That is what cost us the election."

Assuming those totals represent the people who actually voted.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:32 AM (JxIkO)

59 "5.5 million GOP votes are missing, and no one can account for them. The only explanation left is fraud."

and zero is missing 10 million (give or take a mil) from his totals, soooo...bigger fraud ?

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 08:32 AM (WR5xI)

60 After two terms with a black man as POTUS, I do not think the US would elect a woman next.

I think that's silly.

Posted by: Scobface at November 08, 2012 08:33 AM (IoNBC)

61 44 We have to get our people to the polls and that takes a candidate who energizes the base. Evidently that didn't happen.
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:27 AM (YdQQY)

I think Virginia is being invaded by, as Levin says, the locusts fleeing Maryland and DC. Once they settle in, they wreak the same destruction they did on the places they left behind.

We are so totally fucked.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:33 AM (XkWWK)

62 Also, the byline is at the BOTTOM of the post.

I read backwards some days, so I can see what to skip. But I'm at a desk or using a big laptop. And I'm a weirdo. So.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 08, 2012 08:33 AM (hO8IJ)

63 I am not a birther kind of guy. But looking at the math, this was fraud. I think it can be proved too.

As I co-lamented with you last night, I too feel there was something very wrong with the process. But I try to reason that it would constitute a crime of unprecedented scope, far surpassing the shit that takes place in 3rd-world shitholes. I just can't fathom the sophistication and coordination it would take to pull that off.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 08:33 AM (vbh31)

64 LOL. The stop "Can't Stop the Music" smoking info came from an ad here I guess people can't just mke up everything without a spur somewhere. Probably magazine about Mary Kennedy at the podiatrist, BTW.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 08:33 AM (opS9C)

65 "Elections have consequences and I won". Yes, yes they do and unfortunately we're all about to experience them together.

Posted by: Talibill at November 08, 2012 08:33 AM (WEWGu)

66 After two terms with a black man as POTUS, I do not think the US would elect a woman next.

Is the woman a Democrat promising all sorts of Free Shit to the sleazy? Then she's in.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 08, 2012 08:34 AM (hO8IJ)

67 I think Virginia is being invaded by, as Levin says,
the locusts fleeing Maryland and DC. Once they settle in, they wreak
the same destruction they did on the places they left behind.



We are so totally fucked.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:33 AM (XkWWK)

That is true, but, Dem votes went DOWN. So did Repub votes. If it was the so-called Demographic shift Dem votes would have went UP.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:34 AM (YdQQY)

68 I don't buy into the "fraud" theory. To do that over
such a wide area in multiple States would require too many people
involved and you could never keep in secret.


Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:30 AM (YdQQY)

Well, hi there!

Posted by: George Soros's Secretary of State Project at November 08, 2012 08:34 AM (rmdRH)

69
As I co-lamented with you last night, I too feel there was something very wrong with the process. But I try to reason that it would constitute a crime of unprecedented scope, far surpassing the shit that takes place in 3rd-world shitholes. I just can't fathom the sophistication and coordination it would take to pull that off.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 08:33 AM (vbh31)
How hard would it be to rig the machines at certain places to have a certain amount of Romney votes turn into Obama votes?

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 08:35 AM (pwTow)

70 There is a young gal of 25 that works with me at an ad agency I freelance at.

25 and working in a responsible position, paying taxes. Doesn't
fall for Obama noise.
Care to venture on the statistical probability of that?

That's something I was trying to touch on in the prior thread. You know how they say that 40 is the new 30, and that 50 is the new 40, etc.

Well then... 30 is the new 20. 18 is the new 8. Yet apparently this group decided the election.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 08:35 AM (feFL6)

71 bcochran1981

the numbers stun me...and stump me....where were they on election day?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 08, 2012 08:36 AM (Ho2rs)

72 5.5 million GOP votes are missing. They weren't counted.

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This has bothered me tremendously since Tues. night. We knew GOP enthusiasm was off the charts beforehand. From sea to shining sea, we heard, read and saw reports that lines were longer than anybody ever remembered at their respective polling locations. It was a tsunami of voters. And overall, they weren't there to protect their vaginas. They were there to throw the Indonesian Imbecile out. Yet....we're supposed to actually believe those votes weren't there when all was said and done. I think something is desperately wrong, but I know nothing will ever be done about it either, so what the hell.

Posted by: Lady in Black - SMOD, where are you? at November 08, 2012 08:36 AM (lTVJy)

73 All I know how to do is keep on keeping on.
I've buried wives & Worlds behind me.
So be it... keep on keeping on.

Posted by: backhoe at November 08, 2012 08:36 AM (ULH4o)

74 #37, Dave in Fla --

I agree. Once again, this goes against the Poppin' Fresh Rules of Fair Play and Giving the Other Guy a Break, but it strikes me that given the massive number of polling places across the country, it would take only a good effort in selected larger districts to make the necessary number of votes "walk."

We saw little bits of it showing up during the day Tuesday. Remember the precinct worker wearing an "Obama" cap? The brief story with the photo mentioned that the picture-taker alleged that said worker gave at least one voter two ballots. Does any rational person think this was one isolated instance?

I guess we are supposed to.

Four more years of "Obamatuerisms!"

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 08:36 AM (yKUrR)

75 Posted by: George Soros's Secretary of State Project at November 08, 2012 08:34 AM (rmdRH)


Yes, and you were not able to keep that secret either.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:36 AM (YdQQY)

76 "I don't buy into the "fraud" theory. To do that over such a wide area in
multiple States would require too many people involved and you could
never keep in secret."

I thought so too Vic.

But assume they did it. Go with me here.

What would be the first sign of such massive fraud? Wouldn't it be people like us looking at the vote totals and saying "Wait, how could 10% of the 2008 GOP voters decide to not vote? Where did 5.5 million GOP voters go?"

I was looking for coalitions like SoCons that sat out. But we know that isn't true. So now we say the base wasn't energized, but we know that isn't true too. So what is left?

Where are 5.5 million Republican votes?

Where are they?

This administration ran FF and turned of credit card verification. Why wouldn't they try this? Who would call them on it? They are the ones in charge of investigating things, and the media is in their pocket.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:37 AM (JxIkO)

77 For those of you with repub governors and legislatures, stay close and encourage them to resist the fed every day. The repub governors hold the fate of this nation in their offices and legislatures.

Make the 10th Amendment the rule of law. Fuck the fed.

For those of you with dem governors.....move.

Posted by: Soona - waiting to say President Romney at November 08, 2012 08:37 AM (z+O0e)

78
43
"Where did they come from? I would think that the type of people who show

for "rah-rah" rallies is the base constituency. Am I wrong there?"

---------

You are not wrong. Connect the dots.


Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:26 AM (JxIkO)


Dammit I don't want to go there. But I just can't make this shit make sense. My own personal experience. The rallies. The fundraising. The environment of the last four years. And he gets several million LESS votes than McCain???? That does not logically make a bit of sense.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:37 AM (da5Wo)

79 Dave I just don't buy it on that scale.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:38 AM (YdQQY)

80 far surpassing the shit that takes place in 3rd-world shitholes

American Exceptionalism: We're the biggest, baddest third-world shithole. We leave the other third-world shitholes back in the dust.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 08, 2012 08:38 AM (hO8IJ)

81 How hard would it be to rig the machines at certain places to have a certain amount of Romney votes turn into Obama votes?

But hypothetically 5.5 million of them?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 08:39 AM (vbh31)

82 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 08:31 AM (79ueO)

Yeah ... I saw that yesterday. It's going to get very, very ugly because Barky's supporters are so very, very ugly and intensely stupid and uncivilized. That's what we get.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 08:39 AM (X3lox)

83 I do know, I'm looking forward to the next four years, in terms of reforms that will take place inside the republican party. Postmortems of on the last campaign(and that will include the disator with the seanate candidates) will help identify weaknesses, ideas for better strategies, and there is definitely work to be done in the next three years. Zero is gonna sit tight and do whatever congress tells him, and that would be the bare minimum, and even less after 2014.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 08:39 AM (WR5xI)

84 @54 They know you better than you do. Rockmom gets it here. Also, the Free Republic. http://preview.tinyurl.com/apsv4fs and http://preview.tinyurl.com/c8qdt5g. It wouldn't take that much, really, when you know you're behind and what the minimum is to win, and how to make it look not impossible.
Especially when all the Neo-Puritans on our side are wringing their hands and fretting so anxiously that, well, maybe we really do need to hold our goods in common and work for other men's children.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 08, 2012 08:39 AM (1V6Pv)

85 Folks it gets earlier every year. Wal Mart stated Christmas decorations two weeks ago. Today DISH puts up the Christmas MUZAK.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:39 AM (YdQQY)

86 McCain was a terrible candidate. When we voted in '08, I waited 10 minutes total to do so. Tuesday, I waited an hour. Yet somehow, McCain got millions more votes than Romney. The smell test fails.

Posted by: Lady in Black - SMOD, where are you? at November 08, 2012 08:39 AM (lTVJy)

87 My father called me last night from Allentown, Pa.

To paraphrase;
Son, I watched those lines of people at the Polls,
I showed up at the same time I always do, and I was several hundred numbers higher than I normally am.
And then on the news tonight, they tell me the turnout was low?

My father has been voting at the same place for over 40 years.

I am not saying it is a fact that fraud occurred
I am saying that a rather large number of people who are very familiar with the ebb and flow of their polling places experienced activity that left them with the impression that turnout was substantially higher than normal.
And then were told that their impressions were wrong.

.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 08, 2012 08:40 AM (BPyqV)

88 Where are 5.5 million Republican votes?

Boxes in the bottom of Lake Erie. That's the tradition, right?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 08, 2012 08:40 AM (hO8IJ)

89 But hypothetically 5.5 million of them?

That's why I have a hard time with this. A few thousand here or there in selected states I could see, but 5.5 million is a lot.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 08, 2012 08:41 AM (JxMoP)

90 I'm going to be out all day. But if you want to post theories or ways we cna prove one way or another that this was or wasn't massive fraud, post something on my blog.

I have a post up on this.

I am now more frightened than before the election. I would rather this have been a nation of idiots voting for TFG.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:41 AM (JxIkO)

91 But hypothetically 5.5 million of them?

Wicked easy with software.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 08, 2012 08:41 AM (hO8IJ)

92 the best part of the legalize pot thing is those are 2 democrat client groups going at it. the young pot smokers/hippies vs the nanny state do gooders. I suggest they settle this with pistols at 20 paces.

Posted by: we are so screwed at November 08, 2012 08:42 AM (HEa5q)

93 As far as fraud,,,I'd wait till all the numbers come in. The totals may be close to McCain's.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 08:42 AM (WR5xI)

94 i think there was fraud in small doses through out the country that never would be big enough to "justify" eric holder to do anything about but big enough to swing the election for the scoamf.....

and to be clear, i think election fraud should be investigated no matter what the scale...but that's just me and i'm evil so whatever

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 08, 2012 08:42 AM (Ho2rs)

95

I think Virginia is being invaded by, as Levin says, the locusts fleeing Maryland and DC. Once they settle in, they wreak the same destruction they did on the places they left behind.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton




Workers have to live where there are jobs. However, the welfare class is free to move to any state and just forward their mail to their new Section 8 housing.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 08:42 AM (kdS6q)

96
BCochran1981 @ 27:

This just stuns me. It does not compute. I get that we all live in our
own little circle and that you can't begin to extrapolate that to the
country, but the base being apathetic is just not at all what I
experienced. And the rallies of tens of thousands? Where did they come
from? I would think that the type of people who show for "rah-rah"
rallies is the base constituency. Am I wrong there?


The people that went to the rallies...those people were already motivated to vote for Romney. The unfortunately large portion of the 'base' that sat at home watching Honey Boo-Boo reruns are almost certainly that ones that get most of their news from the MFM. Since they were exposed to little more than it's all sunshine, skittles, and cotton-candy farts, and President Beautiful Gorgeous was teh awesome, they stayed home.

And when the MFM bothered at all to cover our conservative candidates, we got Akin, and his 'legitimate rape', Romney's 47%, and whatever the hell it was Mourdoch said, or did. In key states that Romney needed to win...FL, PA, and OH, Obama hammered those states hard, and tied every alleged misdeed by Republicans to Romney, made shit up, (Romney/Bain/Cancer). News coverage reinforced democratic ads, which reinforced news stories, etc, etc.

The right has to find a way around the MFM, coop the MFM, or force the MFM to provide actual balanced coverage. Without a way to actually deliver their message to potential voters on the same scale the left does....we're screwed.


Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 08, 2012 08:43 AM (L7hol)

97 As a Virginian, I've longed for a day when we could simply cedenorthern Virginiato Maryland so they would no longer pollute our state politics. An invasion of northern leftists has turned us from a state that went GOP in every presidential election from 1968-2004 into a rubber stamp for the miserable failure. It ain't the Virginia I grew up in, that's for sure.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 08:43 AM (zmlwq)

98 Let's remember to look for the silver lining, folks. Many third-world shitholes are quite charming.

Posted by: Scobface at November 08, 2012 08:43 AM (IoNBC)

99 They hateConservatives just as much as the Dems do.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 08, 2012 08:29 AM (3ZtZW)

It surely does seem like it sometimes..."flyover" country and the folks who live there in general as well.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 08:43 AM (qEkGZ)

100 and to be clear, i think election fraud should be investigated no matter what the scale...but that's just me and i'm evil so whateverPosted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 08, 2012 08:42 AM (Ho2rsI agree, we always let it slide, no fraud should be tolerated in this country. Who should be fighting this? Is it up to the election judges, or the people running for the office? How do we make them fight?

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 08:44 AM (pwTow)

101 The unfortunately large portion of the 'base' that sat at home watching
Honey Boo-Boo reruns are almost certainly that ones that get most of
their news from the MFM. Since they were exposed to little more than
it's all sunshine, skittles, and cotton-candy farts, and President
Beautiful Gorgeous was teh awesome, they stayed home.



Those people aren't the base. That's pretty much the definition of the "fringe" or "outlier" Republican vote.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:44 AM (da5Wo)

102 I've always thought Allen West picked the wrong district to live in. Allen move to a solid Red State.

Posted by: Paladin at November 08, 2012 08:44 AM (ycm4Q)

103 "Dave I just don't buy it on that scale."

It would be massive. But it is doable. You would have to get about 20 cooperative precincts in each state and would have to do it in swing and heavy Dem precincts.

I don't think the scale is beyond the capabilities of the Obama machine. And we know they wouldn't balk at it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:45 AM (JxIkO)

104 I've not liked Christie since he ridiculed anyone who thought maybe some Muslim spokesmen were two-faced. Welcome to my world. Not sure which, if any, side that guy is on. His for sure.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 08:45 AM (sOtz/)

105 >>>>I am now more frightened than before the election. I would rather this have been a nation of idiots voting for TFG.

Junta. C'mon, say it with me.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 08, 2012 08:45 AM (3ZtZW)

106 McCain was a terrible candidate. When we voted in
'08, I waited 10 minutes total to do so. Tuesday, I waited an hour. Yet
somehow, McCain got millions more votes than Romney. The smell test
fails.


Posted by: Lady in Black - SMOD, where are you? at November 08, 2012 08:39 AM (lTVJy)

If you look at the vote totals for SC they were essentially the same as 2008 which was a heavy year. I didn't wait at all here in 2008 and only had to wait a few minutes this year.
I hear Columbia had a heavy turnout though.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:45 AM (YdQQY)

107 26. Woah there cowboy....not hiring anyone under 30? Uh guess what? My sons are 21 and 26. Both saw the destruction this president has wrath up upon us. Do not generalize like that. Just figure out a way to identify the prospective employees' politics during the interview and act accordingly. A blanket statement like yours serves no one.

Posted by: PedL2MedL at November 08, 2012 08:45 AM (ZvqUt)

108
Where are 5.5 million Republican votes?




5.5 million "lost" votes would be reflected in the results for the Senate, House and state and local results.

As bad as the Senate results sucked, thanks again RSCC, that level of hurt is not reflected in other results.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 08:45 AM (kdS6q)

109 That's why I have a hard time with this. A few thousand here or there in selected states I could see, but 5.5 million is a lot.

----

5.5 million is a lot. But just think about these people. They are supreme at overshooting, and don't care what it looks like. Smug, above reproach, catch me if you can and laughing about the fact that you can't. Subtlety is not their method. Millions unaccounted for? Who cares, what are you gonna do about it and how are you gonna prove it? Huh? Huh?? Impropriety? Holder will get right on it, just as soon as he once again goes after the NBPP thugs that patrolled Philly polling stations again.

Posted by: Lady in Black - SMOD, where are you? at November 08, 2012 08:46 AM (lTVJy)

110 One of the articles linked noted that the campaigns are less and less about winning 50 states. They cover a dozen or so states. Well over half the EVs were known in advance. Why vote R in Kansas?

Posted by: fluffy at November 08, 2012 08:46 AM (z9HTb)

111 11 All you folks who are buying into this "demographic shift" are once again listening to the MFM. Remember, the MFM is your ENEMY he is not your friend.


Romney lost because he could not get the base to the polls.
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (YdQQY)

Maybe the base is dying faster than we can replace them. Romney brought a lot of Jewish voters to the GOP this time but lost Catholics, while the youth and Hispanics turned out in large enough numbers to give Obama his victory. Though I know immigration reform will do little to sway Hispanics, I think Rubio is the brightest star in the 2016 field, because he is the product of hard work and self-reliance. Obama always pays lip service to "hardworking Americans" but his coalition is those who are dependent on the government. Romney'sgreatest fault was that he was unwilling to go after Obama as aggressively as his conservative primary opponents. Attacking Perry from the right killed his numbers with Hispanic voters. Romney was unwilling to talk about his core values. He is a smart businessman, a good family man, but if Republicans are looking for a way out of the wilderness, they need a movement leader, someone who exemplifies and can articulate conservative values. Rubio is your Obama, who Republicans underestimated at their peril.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 08:46 AM (i0vBR)

112 As far as fraud,,,I'd wait till all the numbers come in. The totals may be close to McCain's.

They would still be down 2.5 million. 5 million Inds shifted from Obama to Romney.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:46 AM (JxIkO)

113
As far as fraud,,,I'd wait till all the numbers come in. The totals may be close to McCain's.


Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 08:42 AM (WR5xI)

The votes are in now for all practical purposes.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:46 AM (YdQQY)

114 <<<Wicked easy with software.

Sure is. Keep the source code locked up, distribute an exe file. There's probably a way to reverse engineer the source out of that, though.

But it's a tough sell to convince me when 0bama drops 10,000,000 at the same time. I'm kinda sure that peeps in parts of Pa, most of NJ, a good part of NY, probably had more important things to worry about.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 08:46 AM (feFL6)

115 But hypothetically 5.5 million of them?


Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 08:39 AM


It strikes me that making large numbers of votes vanish is easier than "losing" the occasional ballot.

Not in a place where the voting is done the old-fashioned way, like my town. There, each ballot is marked by hand, inserted into a box (which records each ballot) and then counted by hand by at least two people.

This little intensely blue town (in a state that went full-D) had an 80%+ turnout, BTW.

I know from bitter experience that one keystroke on my computer can wipe out tens of thousands of bits of information. Why can't a motivated, trained individual wipe out tens of thousands of votes just as easily?

No, don't tell me "even Democrats wouldn't stoop so low." Save that sort of shit for Tepid Air.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (yKUrR)

116 How hard would it be to rig the machines at certain places to have a certain amount of Romney votes turn into Obama votes?



Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 08:35 AM (pwTow)

That's been my theory for awhile now. There are probably other ways, too, but hacking the voting software would be the easiest way, I think. (shrug)

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (qEkGZ)

117 Ahem. "Whom" in that last sentence.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (i0vBR)

118 @102: Allen's district was fine until the FL GOP agreed to make it unsafe in redistricting. Basically they sacrificed him to the Dems because he was embarrassing them on the cocktail circuit (and of course the Dems wanted him gone at any cost).

Posted by: Ian S. at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (OevbG)

119 Christie was fun to watch when he ridicules the clowns from the teacher's unions, but he's basically a Clinton-type Democrat in a GOP costume.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (zmlwq)

120 Lots of great ethnic food in third-world shitholes. They do wonders with rats and shit.

Posted by: Scobface at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (IoNBC)

121 There could have been fraud, I think it is likely. We just haven't figured it out yet. Think of how some rural areas learned to hold back their vote numbers until after the city numbers were released. That exposed and undermined that fraud.

They certainly have the incentive to figure out new ways to scam our voting process.

Off to work now, hold fast to that which is good.

Posted by: Mountainturtle at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (P3a1V)

122 I hear Columbia had a heavy turnout though.

----

This is true. A friend in Columbia waited 4 hours.

Posted by: Lady in Black - SMOD, where are you? at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (lTVJy)

123 79 Dave I just don't buy it on that scale.
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:38 AM (YdQQY)

Yea me too Vic up until about a year or so ago. I live in VA and the numbers of people at the polls were more than I've ever seen and to my estimation comparable to 2008 in my little pat of the world. People across different counties that I work with all had the same experience I did with the very long lines. Another thought as well is that with my travels over the last year the number of O signs/bumper stickersvs Romney signs/bumper stickers was about 1 O to every 10 Romney.

Posted by: Talibill at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (WEWGu)

124 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 08, 2012 08:30 AM (JxIkO)
__
How do you arrive at the 5.5 million figure?

Re: Chris Christie. What he did the last week of the campaign was inexcusable. At first I thought it was just to bolster his chance of re-election in a blue state, but the praise of Preznit Revenge and dismissal of Romney was way over the top. However, he is doing a good job of restoring fiscal sanity to his home state, and taking on the public unions. I do not see a place for him in the national GOP, but I also think it helps us to have a governor in a blue state.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (jm/9g)

125 As to the response of "If there was fraud, how come Obama's numbers went down as well"?

Everyone knew that he was going to get fewer votes this time.
We saw it in the depressed turnout at his rallies.
We saw it in our daily lives while interacting with other people.
The Obama spark was just not there.

For fraud to work, Obama's numbers could not climb up from the 08 election.
Romney's numbers would have had to drop.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 08, 2012 08:47 AM (BPyqV)

126 Dave, we lost Ohio because Barack Obama basically moved there, because the idiot Republicans in the state antagonized the black community with the bullshit over early voting, and because all the college kids registered there and voted for Obama.

I saw something on Twitter also saying that some of the "huge turnout numbers in GOP areas" were actually Democrats that the Obama campaign found in those counties. Obama carried Hamilton County again. This just means a lot of Democrats have moved in there.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 08:48 AM (qe2/V)

127 Sad iPhone monicker off.

Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2012 08:48 AM (z+O0e)

128 At the end of the day, what the numbers we see say is that people were motivated at the same or lower levels to vote for Romney as they were for McCain. I. Just. Can't. Buy. That.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:48 AM (da5Wo)

129 Romney lost because he could not get the base to the polls.


Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (YdQQY)

I want to believe that- if for no other reason than that it is an easier problem to solve than the alternative "demographic bomb", but do we really believe that the base (whoever that is) believed that 4 more years of TFG would be better than Romney?If so we have an even bigger problem than the "demographic bomb"- ie our base is a bunch of blithering idiots.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 08, 2012 08:49 AM (RSqz2)

130 Yeah, I think lower overall turnout + a little pinch of fraud would cover the numbers we're seeing.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 08, 2012 08:49 AM (OevbG)

131 As far as the discussion of electoral monkey business goes, I will say this and it is anecdotal; of no further purpose than that. Like others here, I saw an unprecedented turnout at the polling place in my precinct. I also saw (unlike any election previously) what amounted to absolute chaos at that location as I waited almost 90 minutes to vote. Some of the poll workers seemed to be absolutely clueless, they were grossly understaffed and the monitors at the scanning machines were just telling people to have at it on their own. There was zero supervision regarding the scanning process. I'm not going to try and entertain the notion of a stolen election. I'm having enough problems trying to reconcile another four years of this garbage. But my little anecdotal story kind of helps explain why I've had such an unsettled feeling ever since I voted on Tuesday morning. Anyway, there it is.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 08:49 AM (vbh31)

132 A lot of us also got duped by the "we got lots more signs up than they do" stuff. All this tells me is that the Obama campaign put every drop of money into TV ads and GOTV. They didn't waste money on yard signs and bumper stickers. They did that in 2008 to establish the Obama brand and create the bandwagon effect, but they ran a very different campaign this time.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 08:50 AM (qe2/V)

133

Welcome - 4 years of decay.
Welcome - 4 years of corruption.
Welcomes - 4 years of economic ineptitude.
Welcome the - "Acela Strategy": "making money by exploiting regulation rather than by creating more effective ways to finance the rest of the economy.”

18 year old idiots gave us this. You know - idiots who study pop culture and hollywood in college who expect the tax payer/government to pay for the student loans and abortions.

Welcome - 4 years of decay.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 08:50 AM (O7ksG)

134 Don 't get caught up in conspiracy theories. It's a given that Democrats cheat. You must crush them so it doesn't appear close. Romney ran some rope a dope strategy where he broke even by the first debate, when a stronger candidate would have slingshotted ahead. He ran a poor campaign.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 08:50 AM (i0vBR)

135 My first thought when I heard the results, was fraud, and I normally don't go for grand conspiracies, but this did not feel right. It seems to me, it would be easier now, with digital, than when we had analog votes. Heck, Obama looked odd for while before the election, and I assumed it meant he was going to lose, and he knew it.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 08:50 AM (opS9C)

136 People in third-world shitholes are the salt of the earth, man.

Posted by: Scobface at November 08, 2012 08:51 AM (IoNBC)

137 Consiracy. It's the only thing I have left to believe in.

Posted by: Talibill at November 08, 2012 08:51 AM (WEWGu)

138
Romney lost because he wasn't just battling Obama - hehad tobattle the entire leftwing pro-Obama media.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 08:52 AM (O7ksG)

139 Only downward from here. The GOP had one shot at saving the world. They threw a lightweight into the ring.

We deserve everything we get from here on out.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 08:52 AM (yU1Dt)

140 Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 08:48 AM (qe2/V)


We lost OH because of two things (1) Auto bailout that was played up by Obama and Romney said he would not do it and (2) Too many Republicans sat at home.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:52 AM (YdQQY)

141
Welcome to Paul Krugman's America.

Decay. Wasted tax dollars on corruption and cronies. Lies. Economic bullshit.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (O7ksG)

142 Btw, here in NE Florida, or in Nassau County at least, there's no confirmation on your selections. You get a paper ballot, bubble in your choices, walk over to the machine, feed it in and the message pops up something like "Ballot accepted. Thank you.". That's it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (da5Wo)

143
BCochran @ 101:

Those people aren't the base. That's pretty much the definition of the "fringe" or "outlier" Republican vote.

Marginalizing upwards of 30 million people who could conceivably be convinced to get up off their duffs, and spend two hours every two years to vote is not what I would characterize as a viable path to victory.

This brings another topic to mind....minority outreach. The right needs to step up it's game in this regard.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (L7hol)

144 computers, all that should be looked at, anything is possible, however, the fact that mitt lost a ton of latino voters may account for some of the difference; right now the dif between '08 and '12 stands abt 2 mill total; 50 million latinos, 5-6 % less, there u go

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (WR5xI)

145 Can somebody help a below average thinker on why we really lost? Talk radio has 5 million different explanations.

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (t4nf+)

146 Why do people keep talking about McCain? There was someone else on that ticket that got a hell of a lot of people to the polls in 2008.


I still think there is a "Sarah Palin bloc" of mystery voters out there that didn't vote for Romney/Ryan. The exit polls didn't capture this. They're not just evangelicals or would call themselves and evangelical to a pollster.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (qe2/V)

147 You guys want to know why I think Romney lost? This right here.. two items..


1: ACORN is alive and well and delivered exactly what the Democrats wanted. Look to Allen West's returns..

2: ( The most important) " I will close the Loopholes.." Fuck you Mitt, You. Don't. Get. It. Base stayed home or went to Gary Johnson. "Joe the Plumber" heard that, Mitt. Are you listening Rience?


I went wobbley on the loophole comment, and I bet a huge swath of base voters said "let it burn faster then" and stayed home.

I will go back mourning the American Dream now..

Posted by: catman at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (NYdB8)

148 Wicked easy with software.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 08, 2012 08:41 AM (hO8IJ)

Voting machine software is very hackable. It's been done numerous times by groups worried about just this sort of thing happening. Instapundit has posts on it fairly regularly.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (qEkGZ)

149
Stop. None of the candidates could have won.

The 18-25 year old vote carried Obama across the finish line. It's time for the SoCons to wake up about abortion. Masses of idiots want it.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 08:54 AM (O7ksG)

150 Either massive vote fraud that we don't know how to combat, or a complete change in demographics. Maybe a bit of both.

Ohio and Pennsylvania were carried because of a few blue counties, where fraud almost always occurs.

Anecdotal evidence of demographic change: In my suburban Indiana area, the new businesses opening aren't restaurants or boutiques. They are tattoo parlors. Last night I saw 3 young people (couldn't tell sex because of baggy clothing) going into a tattoo parlor near the garage where I have my car fixed. Probably going to get that Obama sign tattooed on their rears or something.

The country is changing. So be it. I am going to try and save as much money as I can for my grandkids, because they will need it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 08, 2012 08:54 AM (GoIUi)

151 141
Welcome to Paul Krugman's America.

Decay. Wasted tax dollars on corruption and cronies. Lies. Economic bullshit.

I love it....an open field.

Posted by: Wesley Mouch at November 08, 2012 08:55 AM (IoNBC)

152 The average Obama voter I interact with doesn't give a shit what he does, doesn't care about the national debt, and will in one sentence call for national unity when 4 seconds before they called all Romney voters racists. These are not rational people

Posted by: Mr pink at November 08, 2012 08:55 AM (EQT2D)

153 145 Can somebody help a below average thinker on why we really lost? Talk radio has 5 million different explanations.
Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 08:53 AM (t4nf+)

Sure can: O had more votes than Romney.

Posted by: Talibill at November 08, 2012 08:55 AM (WEWGu)

154 Romney lost the nomination to McCain. This base you speak of consciously nominated both candidates, and they resisted Romney till the bitter end. At least you can put to rest this wild theory that McCain and Huckabee conspired to steal the nomination from Romney in 2008. Stop calling Palin a dumb bitch and blaming her for everything, too, while you're at it. At the end of the day, the nominee is the de facto head of the party and the base nominates them for better or worse.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 08:55 AM (i0vBR)

155 They are tattoo parlors. Last night I saw 3 young people (couldn't tell
sex because of baggy clothing) going into a tattoo parlor near the
garage where I have my car fixed. Probably going to get that Obama sign
tattooed on their rears or something.




I have tats. Lots of my friends have tats. Some of them have lots of tats. Overwhelmingly conservative. Little to no correlation between the two in my experience.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (da5Wo)

156 All this tells me is that the Obama campaign put every drop of money into TV ads and GOTV.
__
A couple weeks before the election, a TX woman called in to Rush, she had relocated to VA to help Team Mitt. She expressed great concern about the Preznit Revenge GOTV effort. At that time, Mitt was leading by five points in the Gallup poll, and Rush was trying to reassure her and telling her not to worry so much. In retrospect, it looked like the lady had a point.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (jm/9g)

157 Watched some crack addict on FOX this morning who supposedly has tried pot try and convince me that its WAY worse than alcohol. Highly addictive!!!11 - Shut the fuck up, you don't know what your talking about ya frickin crack addict.

Posted by: NORML at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (2t6Gz)

158 We spent a BILLION dollars to win TWO states?

Why didn't they just send everyone in NC and ID a check for $500?


Disgusting. So much for this kinder gentle crap.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (wR+pz)

159 More important, though, is that it looks like the UN Weapon's ban treaty has been signed and (if Reid has his way and "does away with the filibuster") will be ratified by the Senate.

Goody.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (/eBe8)

160 (2) Too many Republicans sat at home.

Not in Ohio. I don't buy that one for a second.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (vbh31)

161 Vic, look at the numbers. Black turnout in Cleveland was UP from 2008. We were lulled by the EV numbers there. They got to the polls, mostly on Tuesday. Ohio has a shitload of colleges and Obama seemingly visited every fucking one of them, some of them twice.


The auto bailout and Bain Capital ads did what they were supposed to do. Got older white males who might have voted GOP to stay home. That may be the "missing" vote everyone is looking for.


Face it, Team Obama ran a perfect campaign in Ohio, and in most other places.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 08:57 AM (qe2/V)

162
In hindsight, turnout in Florida was normal. We had huge crowds due almost entirely to a large confusing ballot which many morons, not the good kind of morons, were readingfor the first time on election day. One of our constitutional amendments was tough to understand if you got an A in statutory interpretation in law school. That's literally true not hyperbole.

Lots ofyoung people were votingwhen I went. Thought it was a fluke being near Valencia and UCF. Apparently not.

I'm sure whenwe reform the media, education, and entertainment,and undo the decades long blacklist of conservatives, everything will get better. Ultimately though economics and math matter in the real world or they don't. And we're about to get a lot of both jammed in our collective orifices. So politically viable or not, reality is back. And it's pissed this time.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 08:57 AM (sOtz/)

163 My Hygienist and my Dental Assistant just told me I have to stop being to honest with patients and just sell all the unnecessary absurd work they ask for- bleaching that will not work on them and other things. Ya know they are right. If I am gonna have to support the low life 51% on the Gov. Dole I need the money.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 08:57 AM (79ueO)

164 I think I'm gonna pull a steevy and start posting a go-to tagline comment in every thread. Let this be the first official one:

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 08:58 AM (a0nis)

165 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 08:57 AM (79ueO)

Free government grillz!!

Posted by: Wesley Mouch at November 08, 2012 08:59 AM (IoNBC)

166
I think we are being naive to think that someone like Obama and his minions could not rig this election, Look at what he has gotten away with for the last 4 years.
Why would we so easily dismiss even the possibility that this could happen. Is it because we don't want to look silly, or conspiratorial. It is not beyond the scope of things for this group we have in the administration to pull something like this off.

Leading to the election I thought it looked like Obama didn't give a shit about what he said, what he did etc.. Why, because he knew he was going to win.

This is not sour grapes or grasping for straws this is because like everyone else, what we saw leading up to the vote and what the results ended up beingdo not make logical sense.

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 08:59 AM (pwTow)

167
159
More important, though, is that it looks like the UN Weapon's ban treaty
has been signed and (if Reid has his way and "does away with the
filibuster") will be ratified by the Senate.

Goody.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (/eBe


Mrs. 1981 and I talked about it last night. A second handgun and a shotgun purchase, as well as a fair amount of ammo, has been approved. I got about 6 weeks before I'll have the cash to make that a reality.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:59 AM (da5Wo)

168

We live in a nation filled with
young idiots. Idiots will not vote for a good guy like Romney. Or Santorum. Or
Gingrich.

The democrats have institutionalized
ignorance and stupidity in our culture, in our schools, in the media. That's
how they win.



http://tinyurl.com/aoetur7



Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 08:59 AM (O7ksG)

169 Boxes in the bottom of Lake Erie. That's the tradition, right?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 08, 2012 08:40 AM (hO8IJ)



Or Chicago River. A lot ends up there

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 09:00 AM (1Jaio)

170 158. Wes spent a billion dollars to save the House, not two states. I am starting to think that was the objective of the RNC the whole time

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 09:00 AM (t4nf+)

171 Kids aren't voting for abortion, they're voting for some fairy tale version of the 60's passed on by pop singers and their burned out unionized teachers. They're indoctrinated to vote Dem before they can think for themselves. Walker is right. The real issue is public sector unions, which spills over into academia, entertainment and the media.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:00 AM (i0vBR)

172 Mrs. 1981 and I talked about it last night.

I didn't realize quite how fast they'd be moving. I'll have to have that talk with Mrs. Tenther tonight.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 09:00 AM (/eBe8)

173 Is this the conspiracy thread? Yay.

The same administration that is incompetent and bumbling in every respect is somehow Lex Luthor-grade criminal genius at disappearing millions of votes across dozens of states.

Or maybe turnout was down and we got our asses kicked.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 09:00 AM (6Hf3R)

174 "Can somebody help a below average thinker on why we really lost? Talk radio has 5 million different explanations."

Rove has a column in WSJ on that very subject.

and
Romney's campaign not nimble enough in the begging where it mattered, poor strategy - missed opportunities, some would say too narrowly focused on economy, and an incumbent president, even a really crappy one is really hard to get rid off.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 09:00 AM (WR5xI)

175 Hi DiF, gonna note it here instead of at your place.
You've got an "is is" instead of it is in a sentence in your story. Another tiny deal further down. Don't feel bad. Ace does that kinda stuff all the time.
Hell, they called Salina Ks. Salinas (a Ca town) once in a Clancy book.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 08, 2012 09:00 AM (K4AdI)

176 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 08:50 AM

Sorry, but this is bullshit. If the votes were made to vanish, as I and, apparently, several others think), it wouldn't matter if Romney's "base was motivated." If your vote is not counted, it doesn't matter.

We did this in '08, too. We slammed McCain for what was an admittedly awful campaign after he lost, and now we're dissing Romney because he lost.

Or are you pushing the "hey, Democrats are nice, ethical people too" meme? Start with 1960 and work through the elections to this year. JFK got a little "help" from his pals in Chicago and, presto! he won. Nixon won by a slim margin in '68 because he indicated he was ready to blow the whistle on Hubert Humphrey's tactics. And now we have Osama Obama, a man whose entire political history is littered with fraud and lies.

I'm not going to blame our candidate for not being exactly who I wanted. I'll blame the hell out of him for wimping out on pushing back against the illegal tactics used against him, though.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 09:01 AM (yKUrR)

177 More important, though, is that it looks like the UN Weapon's ban treaty has been signed and (if Reid has his way and "does away with the filibuster") will be ratified by the Senate.

Goody.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (/eBe


No filibuster for Senate ratification of treaties. They need 2/3rds of Senators "present" to vote for it. Of course, I wouldn't put it past Hairy Reed to hold a secret Senate session with just Dems "present" and have the treaty fly through (or even hold the vote as the GOPers are off the floor for a second).

But, this is all moot. There is no law anymore. The left can pretty much do whatever they want. And if they run into any trouble, Benedickhead Roberts will just call it a tax, and we all know that the Constitution allows the feral government to tax anything, everything, and nothing just for shits and giggles - at least that's what I hear.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 09:01 AM (X3lox)

178
The Allen West seat seems fishy to me. I do think there was vote fraud on that one.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:01 AM (O7ksG)

179 Honestly? Much as I'd like to believe it was stolen, I think many of you are underestimating how many people have given up on elections and the political class as a whole (IOW, both parties) entirely. Hell, I used to volunteer on campaigns all the time. Used to be a real preacher of the GOP gospel. Not anymore. I voted for Romney, but that was the extent of my involvement, and my vote was not a positive vote for Romney but a vote against the miserable failure. I'm not quite all the way to "Politicians are all the same and we're fucked either way", but I'm a helluva lot closer to it than I was 5 or 6 years ago.

This is the price to be paid for 2001-2006. I remember talking to my dad shortly after the 2000 election. Neither of us had been particular fans of GWB AT ALL because he had never been particularly conservative in any way, but of course we were still giddy after the win. Still, I remember us agreeing on a point to the effect of "Well, they don't have any excuses anymore". For the first time, we had the president and both houses of Congress, and it was time to finally promote the limited government we'd always believed in. And, of course, nothing of the sort happened. You want a meta-villian? I give you Tom fuckin' DeLay and the K Street Project. I have not truly believed in the GOP since, and I know a shitload of people like me who have gone all the way to "They're the same fucking party".

I still vote for 'em because the alternative is even worse, but I cannot bring myself to work for them anymore, or try to convince people on their merits. I'm entirely defined by hating Democrats now, and that's honestly not an attractive position that pulls in anyone.

Just my $.02

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:01 AM (zmlwq)

180 Stop blaming this on the electorate. The default position of the American public is ignorance and stupidity, always has been.

This was a failure of the GOP and cons in general. 100% our fault, a massive tactical blunder.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:02 AM (yU1Dt)

181 Boeing announced a major restructuring of its defense division on Wednesday that will cut 30 percent of management jobs from 2010 levels, close facilities in California and consolidate several business units to cut costs.

The company told employees about the changes on Wednesday, in a memo obtained by Reuters and confirmed by Boeing.

Boeing, the Pentagon’s second-largest supplier, said the changes were the latest step in an affordability drive that has already reduced the company’s costs by $2.2 billion since 2010, according to the memo.

The measures come as U.S. weapons makers are under pressure to cut costs and preserve profit margins amid dwindling defense spending in the U.S.

In a message to employees, Dennis Muilenburg, chief executive of Boeing Defense, Space & Security, said the company aimed to cut costs by an additional $1.6 billion from 2013 through 2015.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 09:02 AM (79ueO)

182

Re: the Powerline piece.


If you think about it, even the demwits realize how bad the economy is, etc. But, they blamed anyone other than the culprit, the scoamf. They know it's bad. And, now it will get worse, much worse.

Yes, they can continue to try to deflect the blame, but many more will come to the realization that they really should have voted for Romney/Ryan.

Perhaps the country needs to not only, now, be sent to their knees, but to their knees, kneeling on a bed of nails and glass.

Imagine if the country not only needs to line up for gas, but for food supplies.

After listening to Bill Whittle's A New Beginning... piece, he is right, virtue is what is missing in libs and the newest generations. Many of us were humbled by hard work, or grew up understanding and comprehending virtue. Understanding that there IS an enemy, and we need to protect our rights and freedoms.

I'm holding onto my assets, not investing, and sitting back to watch this train wreck continue, while upholding conservative values and ideals wherever possible. No more hollywood movies, no more TV -- although I only have been watching NFL anyway...

I'm at peace with rejecting 50% of the country. I absolutely do not care at this point what happens to them.

Posted by: sunshine & the beach at November 08, 2012 09:02 AM (LpQbZ)

183 Or maybe turnout was down and we got our asses kicked.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 09:00 AM (6Hf3R)


Not saying it didn't happen. But I need a realistic explanation of how/why our turnout was down. And no one's offered it yet. Someone explain to me how Romney got fewer votes than John fucking McCain.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:02 AM (da5Wo)

184 Senate loss bugs me the most. That one was given away, TWICE.

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 09:03 AM (WR5xI)

185 170 I hope so, otherwise Priebus is an idiot who could not deliver the state that epically defeated the governors recall five months earlier. While Ryan had never win statewide election, but he was supposedly chosen to deliver WI.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:03 AM (i0vBR)

186
The demographic shift is that pod people now make up the majority of the electorate.



You will be absorbed by Landru (not Mary).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 08:20 AM (XkWWK)



We are turning into a banana republic and far too many people don't know or care that it's happening. Their world ends at the tip of their nose and they are utterly ignorant to everything going on around them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 09:03 AM (1Jaio)

187 Runner, that's why Rubio doesn't want to bother with the NRSC. The senate races are when the loons reveal themselves.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:04 AM (i0vBR)

188 The Dems may not stoop so low. But they are no longer Dems. Haven't been for 40 years. They are hardcore indoctrinated leftists.

Reagan may have brought down the Iron Curtain, but he left all the Telefon operatives here in the schools and universities.

They never got the message that Communism was put on the ash heap of history. And now we are reaping the terrible harvest of morons and malcontents that they have sown.

But, as far as the election is concerned, the result just does not jibe with everything we saw on our side leading up to it.

It fucking stinks on every level and I think that if they can run guns to Mexican drug lords, allow our embassy staff and agents to be killed as a political expediency - and most importantly if they know the press will NEVER investigate....

Bingo. 5.5 million Republican votes gone. As for the 10 million less Democrat, well, all they have to do is jigger the totals but make sure SCOAMF comes out ahead.

I do not believe in conspiracies, but this really fucking does not add up. And I am getting angrier by the second.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2012 09:04 AM (XkWWK)

189 #149 They don't "want abortion," but our pro-life talk is a massive dog-whistle to young people that we are uptight squares who don't like sex and don't want people to have fun. All they see is men talking about what a woman should or should not do with her body. It's a massive turnoff. I've had this conversation with young men and women since I was young myself.


I still am amazed at how the Democrats conspired with the MSM to actually make CONTRACEPTION an issue in this campaign. I mean, come on! Who on our side, in January, would have believed this would happen? But they did it, and we played right into it. We had a window to make this about religious liberty and we had the Administration on the run on this mandate, but then Rush Limbaugh opened his big fat mouth and ruined everything.


These guys are GOOD. They aren't lucky. They are GOOD. We have to get better.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:04 AM (qe2/V)

190 And yeah, worrying about tattoos as a sign of the decline of Western civilization is silly. Every Marine I knew had tats - I have three - and most of them hate Dems. My wife has five and she is the proverbial "crawl over broken glass to vote against Obama" person.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:05 AM (zmlwq)

191 I am going to Spain next week to check on some opportunities, mostly to get drunk. This REALLY SUCKS.

So a song.... http://tinyurl.com/bgqmyyx

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:05 AM (wR+pz)

192 More important, though, is that it looks like the UN
Weapon's ban treaty has been signed and (if Reid has his way and "does
away with the filibuster") will be ratified by the Senate.

Goody.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (/eBe

Approving treaties is more than 60 votes. It is 2/3 and they don't have that regardless of Harry Asshole Reid.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:05 AM (YdQQY)

193 In any event, it's over and (aside from West) I guarantee you there will be no further discussion of the possibility of fraud in any significant high-level public forum. The only way that would happen is if Mitt's people truly felt something was horribly wrong, and so far absolutely nothing has surfaced in that regard. Personally, I don't think he'd ever dare pursue it even if there was some doubt. It's a done deal, folks.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 09:05 AM (vbh31)

194 Mrs. 1981 and I talked about it last night. A second
handgun and a shotgun purchase, as well as a fair amount of ammo, has
been approved. I got about 6 weeks before I'll have the cash to make
that a reality.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 08:59 AM (da5Wo)

I have that in the works too...more handgun and shotgun ammo for what I have now, and a hunting rifle of some sort and ammo for it. I don't hunt, but you never know when you might take up a new hobby.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 08, 2012 09:05 AM (qEkGZ)

195
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:02 AM (da5Wo)

Read the 2nd to last link, I think he hit it as to why turnout was down. Elections are nothing but ass kissing to 5-6 states while the rest of us have are supposedly in the bag.

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 08, 2012 09:06 AM (UZQM8)

196 More important, though, is that it looks like the UN Weapon's ban treaty
has been signed and (if Reid has his way and "does away with the
filibuster") will be ratified by the Senate.

Goody.


It was NOT signed- at least not yet. Before the election both Russia ( flexibility is great ) and the USA asked that "negotiations" over the treaty be tabled. Now AFTER the election, they are being untabled. But it will be signed yes I am sure and there is worse to come. We are fucked but good. Both us and Israel. Look for obama and the USA to STOP using it's UN Security Council Veto to protect Israel anymore. Israel is fucked also, and when I say fucked, I mean no KY jelly or nothing. Dry and hard

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 09:06 AM (79ueO)

197 "Not saying it didn't happen. But I need a realistic explanation of
how/why our turnout was down. And no one's offered it yet. Someone
explain to me how Romney got fewer votes than John fucking McCain."

1. the numbers are still coming in, at the moment the dif is 2 million maybe less when all said and done,, and....Sarah Palin
2. 5% of 50million latino voters who Romney lost

Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 09:06 AM (WR5xI)

198 (2) Too many Republicans sat at home.

Not in Ohio. I don't buy that one for a second.


Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 08:56 AM (vbh31)

I posted the numbers in the last thread. look at them.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:06 AM (YdQQY)

199 Approving treaties is more than 60 votes. It is 2/3 and they don't have that regardless of Harry Asshole Reid.

Well, that makes me feel better, I suppose.

Until PR sends two more Dem Senators to DC...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 09:06 AM (/eBe8)

200 #155 I am sure you think tats are normal. It's a sign of a demographic change reflected in popular culture.

In my era, tattoos were of two types: one on the forearm (an anchor or something) worn by sailors, or tattoos on carny workers. Women NEVER had tattoos unless they were in a sideshow or something.

The fact that extensive tattooing has become socially acceptable (along with piercings other than ear lobes) is a sign of how much the culture has changed. It's a superficial one, to be sure, and not a marker of political beliefs, but a sign of change nonetheless.

The culture is changing in many ways, and I am a relic of the post-war, born in 1948. I make this observation as one who grew up not even knowing that there were gay people, and now they are on my TV.; as one who remembers when the words "bitch" and "whore (hoe)" were never uttered in polite copany, and now they are reoutinely used in popular music.

The culture is changing, and probably the Romneys', happily married, wholesome, and with a large family, were as alien to many of the younger generation as space aliens.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 08, 2012 09:06 AM (GoIUi)

201 I am going Galt, F it all. No more Left wing Costco, Wal Mart, or Starbucks. No more Network Football either

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 09:07 AM (t4nf+)

202 Approving treaties is more than 60 votes. It is 2/3 and they don't have that regardless of Harry Asshole Reid.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:05 AM (YdQQY)


Careful. It's "two thirds of the senators PRESENT"!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 09:07 AM (X3lox)

203
Galt.

All I know is that I am not going to participate in Obama's corruption. My hubby and I are going to stop spending money and put it all in the bank. No Christmas for the next 4 years. Instead of a robust economy - it will all go to pay for Obamacare and tax hikes anyway. I will go out of my way tomake sure any purchasing dollars spent do not end up in the hands of anyone who votes democrat/ votes corrutpion/ votes dumbass/ votes Krugman. I will not do one fucking thing to help the democrats. They can go to hell .

Obama and Reid need revenue to pay for Obama's corruption and waste. They can fuck themselves.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:07 AM (O7ksG)

204 @173 Dem.-Commies would never cheat! They take power legitimately, 'cuz, otherwise, you know, there'd be too much outcry in World Opinion (mostly retired Presbyterian clergy) when they start exercising their "mandate" on the killing fields.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 08, 2012 09:08 AM (1V6Pv)

205 We do not understand minorities, for that, read illegal Hispanics or
Hispanics with illegal loved ones and Blacks, for the simple reason that
we do not think like criminals. That is not harsh or racist, it is
fact. The very first thing about an illegal is the fact that their life
in America is based on at least one felony and then they just keep right
on stacking them up by illegally accessing goods and services. By and
large,Blacks rightly or wrongly view themselves as being outside of
White culture's laws--even when one of them is murdered or raped or
robbed, they usually do not cooperate with law enforcement because
that's is somehow selling out to the MAN and causes them to lose their
place in their part of society. So here we are the party of truth,
justice, the American Way, law and order, and the minorities say we want
no part of that because that does not resonate with us!

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 08, 2012 09:08 AM (kXoT0)

206 I know one thing, where I voted and everywhere people I know voted turnout was 10x heavier than 2008. I waited an hour and a half to vote this election. In 2008 it was 5 minutes.

Posted by: teebone at November 08, 2012 09:08 AM (YtLSL)

207 Why we lost?
1. Hispanic vote.
2. Fat man absolutely screwed Romney.
3. Women trading the Republic for some attention to their lady parts.
4. Ridiculous level of media bias.

Posted by: USA at November 08, 2012 09:08 AM (RIg+t)

208 I'm now starting the "Draft Biden" movement for the Republican nomination in 2016. Policy-wise, Biden would be no better or worse than other R nominees. Seriously--Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush? Look me in the eye and tell me they are better than Biden. Biden is dumb enough to think and say what he's told to think and say...with the odd utterance escaping without appropriate editorial censorship. And Biden is enough of a megalomaniac to switch parties (and even become a fiscal conservative) for a shot at the Big Chair. You know it's true.

And yeah, I did my bit and voted for all the pro-amnesty, big government, big spending, compassionate conservatives. You know, the "electable" Republicans. Just don't push your luck by nominating Jeb Effing Bush. I have my limits.

Posted by: Otis B. Driftwood at November 08, 2012 09:09 AM (ymovd)

209 Saw an interesting factoid. Since 1928, no Republican presidential ticket has won without a Bush or a Nixon on it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:09 AM (i0vBR)

210 184. I agree. Especially North Dakota

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (t4nf+)

211 Is this the conspiracy thread? Yay.



The same administration that is incompetent and bumbling in every
respect is somehow Lex Luthor-grade criminal genius at disappearing
millions of votes across dozens of states.



Or maybe turnout was down and we got our asses kicked.


Jeff,

It isn't anyone up at the highest levels doing the hands-on type work. That's left to the low-level observers and precinct captains who have full and unchecked power over their polling stations to do what they please. Did you read that Weekly Standard article that was linked Tuesday morning about some guy taking a pic of the poll worker who had a TFG cap on? He also said the woman in front of him got 2 ballots. How are we to know that this didn't happen with every Dem voter who walked in? That's 2 to 1 fraud right there.

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (GQ8sn)

212 Radar- Do have a Newsletter?

Posted by: catman at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (YKUmW)

213 #203 Fresh wrote: "My hubby and I are going to stop spending money and put it all in the
bank. No Christmas for the next 4 years. Instead of a robust economy"

Same here, I had items ready to purchase this weekend on Veteran's day sales. Not gonna do it. I usually go out to lunch to have an hour away from my nattering Liberal co-workers. Not gonna do it, I will bring my lunch and eat it in the lunch room. I say we crash this economy as fast as we can.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (kXoT0)

214 no Republican presidential ticket has won without a Bush or a Nixon on it.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:09 AM (i0vBR)


You mean a "Bush" or a "Dick"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (79ueO)

215 209. Wow

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (t4nf+)

216 what would be interesting to see is if all the gary johnson votes in the states romney lost would have changed the outcome.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (EBPRt)

217 "5.5 million GOP votes are missing. They weren't counted."

-- When Team Blue said these sorts of things in 2004 and 2000 we rightly mocked them. You're going to need more than just pointing out that things aren't there where you want them to be there. People from all corners of the big tent were threatening to sit the race out the moment their guy or gal got bumped out of the primary (or didn't toss his or her hat into the primary.)

Guess what? They did.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 09:11 AM (moRRg)

218 No Christmas for the next 4 years. Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:07 AM (O7ksG) It's gonna be this Christmas or next that the big crash will come, I'm banking on it being next year as they will do something this year to try and hide how shitty everything really is.

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 08, 2012 09:11 AM (UZQM8)

219 I don't buy into the "fraud" theory. To do that over such a wide area in multiple States would require too many people involved and you could never keep in secret.

I'd tend to agree Vic, however Benghazi changed that for me. Over 300ppl were on those emails, yet we still don't know everything that happened. I look at some of those poll workers and just wonder. Instead of sneaking ballot boxes in from my trunk, maybe we sneak some OUT to my trunk.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 08, 2012 09:11 AM (UU0OF)

220 Until PR sends two more Dem Senators to DC...


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 09:06 AM (/eBe

The House will have to approve the PR Statehood. In the past when admitting a blue State they push in a Red State at the same time so the impact is neutral.
But as they say in stock, past history is not guarantee of future performance.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:11 AM (YdQQY)

221 I posted the numbers in the last thread. look at them.
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:06 AM (YdQQY)Those are the numbers being reported, How do youshow votes not counted?
I know it doesn't matter now, it's a done deal. But why is it so hard to even contimplate the possibility.

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 09:11 AM (pwTow)

222 Never trust a Glutton like Chrstie.

Posted by: demoncrat at November 08, 2012 09:11 AM (GkYyh)

223 In time the people in Egypt will realize that the Muslim Brotherhood that gave them money was not freedom. Now people will soon realize that here but not until the TV shows and new istuff are interrupted.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 08, 2012 09:11 AM (Ea64Y)

224 Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:02 AM (da5Wo)
___
Heard a factoid on radio, this was lowest white voter turnout since 1992. If this is true, then a lot of GOP stayed home for various and sundry reasons.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 09:12 AM (jm/9g)

225 "How are we to know that this didn't happen with every Dem voter who walked in? That's 2 to 1 fraud right there."

-- What if it did? That doesn't explain why our people didn't turn out in record numbers. Postulating fraud that inflates Obama's numbers doesn't help deal with the fact our people didn't show up.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 09:12 AM (moRRg)

226 Turnout ONLY mattered in the swing states. Huge turnouts in solid states didn't matter.

Posted by: UpWithSheeple! at November 08, 2012 09:13 AM (uEm7J)

227 Christie knows he fucked up. He is now trying to backtrack. College friends who live in NJ, say he is a traitor.

Obama made a deal with him. give me a phot op, and Booker will not run against you

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 09:13 AM (t4nf+)

228 189 What is fun or cool about abortion? At best, it is treated like an STD, something you go to a "doctor" to fix, because the alternative is poverty, obesity and drudgery.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:13 AM (i0vBR)

229 Ammo is the key. I have at least a hundred guns. I suspect the Fed's will, by executive order, declare anyone with more that 5,000 rounds a terrorist suspect.

Going to load up, now. My problem, I have multiple cals. 9mm uzi, 5.56 28 FN bullpup, 5.56 39 AR 15, Ruger 10/22 223, rem 308, etc. None of that shit is going to be cheap. Also did anyone else notice that just as the wars are winding down, so ammo would get cheap, the feds starting buying ammo in outrageous numbers? I think they did that to keep the price up and reduce supply for the public.

No 16 ga but every other ga. I have about 50 cases of 12 ga, but low on 20 and 28.

Obama the best gun salesman in the world.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:13 AM (wR+pz)

230


Obama
was carried briskly over the finish line by masses and masses of young voters.
Does anyone really think these young idiots know anything about anything other
than Obama's cute bomber jacket and his hollywood smile? These people don't know
anything about economics. And if they do know anything about economics - it's
through the prism ofthe leftwing philosophy taught at all our institutions. Institutionalized
stupidity and ignorance are what give democrats power. The GOP , it they want
to win, must learn how to crack that code. How to convince millions of idiots
that what they were taught is all bullshit and lies. Good luck





Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:13 AM (O7ksG)

231
Wildly off-topic question, but yesterday's pudding sell-off has us all off-topic.

Bronco's 'conomy has had me hunkered down so it's been a while since I bought bulk ammo. I feel like buying into the hype - or not at all hype, thanks to Eric "My People" Holder, now with -200% moar accountability.

Where can you score a cheap case of 5.56 right now? Most of what I've got shelved is 55gr M193 but I'm open to shelve a case ofM855 if the price is right.

I found surplus SAW drums in person, linked M855, at 35 cents a round. Sporting goods stores are closer to 40 cents. There's a handful of online sellersin the 37 cent range, but shipping screws the pooch. Anyone got cheaper online?

Posted by: 0302 at November 08, 2012 09:14 AM (mtyCh)

232 Someone explain to me how Romney got fewer votes than John fucking McCain.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:02 AM (da5Wo)----- ----- ----- ----- ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- --- -- -- ------ No kidding. Last presidential election felt like the Battan Death March. This time it seemed possible. Everyone agreed R enthusiasm was up. And.... Nothing.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 09:14 AM (sOtz/)

233
Approving treaties is more than 60 votes. It is 2/3 and they don't have that regardless of Harry Asshole Reid.
Posted by: Vic




President signs the treaty, heck -- just says he supports it, and just acts on it. See the SALT treaties that were never actually passed by the Senate, but were implemented anyway.

Controlling the bureaucracy is a powerful tool.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:14 AM (kdS6q)

234 Re: Obama's conduct in the campaign. I do not think Obama was phoning it in because he knew he had this in the bag. It looked to me going into the last week that the Obama team was genuinely worried. Nate Silver nothwithstanding, the polls were showing razor-thin margins and their strategy was unusual and a big bet.


But what Obama was saying and how he looked in all those rallies really didn't matter very much. What mattered was that he was there.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:14 AM (qe2/V)

235 Stop blaming this on the electorate. The default position of the American public is ignorance and stupidity, always has been.

This was a failure of the GOP and cons in general. 100% our fault, a massive tactical blunder.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:15 AM (yU1Dt)

236 Er, Bataan. Probably not cool to compare McCain's campaign to a war crime against POWs. Sorry.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 09:15 AM (sOtz/)

237 You guys need to be willing to talk about shit loudly, not bank on some lesser if two evils argument to carry the day. That is how Reagan won, and the Bushes merely road his coattails. The Dems have Clinton and now Inama. You have to up your game, not devise more ways you can sound like your opponent, because they will always beat you on cool.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:15 AM (i0vBR)

238
The democrat party can have Jon Corzine(D).
BTW - why isn't Jon Corzine in jail with Bernie Madoff?
Oh riiiight - Jon Corzine is aDemocrat.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:15 AM (O7ksG)

239 Too Soon? The 2016 Republican Presidential Field



Yeah, too soon. By about 40 years.


Eh. Let's wait to see how badly SCOAMF fucks up in the next two years, make sure it sticks to him like stink on a turd, and see what happens.

Posted by: Armando at November 08, 2012 09:16 AM (5iuEW)

240 "Someone explain to me how Romney got fewer votes than John fucking McCain."

Said it once, twice, thrice -- I'll say it again. Remember all those people who said: "If it isn't Cain, I won't vote." "If we don't pick Perry, we've lost." "Newt or not voting?"

They were telling you the truth; they stuck to their guns.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 09:16 AM (moRRg)

241 @235

Didn't you already post that? You aren't a troll, are you?

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 09:16 AM (a0nis)

242 Sorry, typing on my phone.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:16 AM (i0vBR)

243 What if it did? That doesn't explain why our people didn't turn out in
record numbers. Postulating fraud that inflates Obama's numbers doesn't
help deal with the fact our people didn't show up.


What if our people DID show up but their ballots were "disappeared"? Remember, some of these polling stations in the deepest parts of blue city shitholes are completely run by democrat machine operatives. Remember that story of how the Republican poll watchers were kicked out until a judge ordered they be reinstated? Who knows what happened in the mean time?

I'm laying the theory that we DID have our people turn out, but their ballots were "forgotten".

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:17 AM (GQ8sn)

244 240 if that is the case the party is fugged if this does not change immediately. A fractured party is no party at all.

Posted by: teebone at November 08, 2012 09:17 AM (YtLSL)

245 Romney lost because he could not get the base to the polls.
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (YdQQY)


I was talking to my long-time 80+ neighbor last night, commiserating about the election. I didn't vote for Romney, he said. I said, what?! Yeah, I didn't vote for Romney because he stiffed our town out of some money while he was governor, the neighbor said. How much money, I asked, millions, hundreds of thousands? I don't remember, he said. I walked away in disgust.

Posted by: Lynne at November 08, 2012 09:17 AM (+Uv5V)

246 Read the 2nd to last link, I think he hit it as to why turnout was
down. Elections are nothing but ass kissing to 5-6 states while the rest
of us have are supposedly in the bag.


I actually referred to that in a piece for an online paper for which I write. All this money goes into Ohio, Colorado, Virginia, etc. Yes, I understand they're important, but it would be nice to have someone acknowledge that the rest of us exist.

I think there are lots of reasons the loss on Tuesday, and I think some amount of fraud was part of it. I also think there was some depressed turnout across all three "legs" of the Conservative stool.

Partially because we're so plugged in, we forget that we have partisans- people who really care about the issues- who still don't start paying attention until after labor day. We assume anyone who waits that long is an LIV, and that's not actually a safe assumption.

So you have these people who didn't pay attention to the nominating process, who weren't paying attention when so many of the themes of the campaign were set, who feel very deeply about any number of issues- and they looked up just before election day and say a middle-of-the-road, won't-take-a-stand Republican.

Which is not a "fair" (oh, how I hate that word) assessment of Mitt, necessarily, but it is a real one. I think a large part of our turnout being down was because that block- and, yes, I can see it being 10% fairly easily- felt very "meh" about the election.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) All Dead Inside at November 08, 2012 09:17 AM (/eBe8)

247 hah, no, no newsletter. I don't have much more than that to say, and even if I did, who the hell would want to hear it?

One of the unfortunate truths I'm realizing is that most Americans aren't remotely like me. They don't really want limited government. They want a free lunch. They want the warm fuzzies of the welfare state but they don't want to pay the taxes that such a system requires, and that's why we have a $16 trillion debt: because of the wishes of the American voting public.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:17 AM (zmlwq)

248 #228 I say it again, they are NOT having abortions. They don't want to have abortions. They don't even think about actually having an abortion. But they do NOT LIKE old white married men telling them they can't have one!

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:17 AM (qe2/V)

249 Time for a time-out. We have gone truther/voter

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:18 AM (YdQQY)

250
Obama made a deal with him. give me a phot op, and Booker will not run against you

Posted by: Jack J




More like, if you should lose reelection, there will be a place -- a wiiiide place, at my table for you.

An administration slot is Tubby's safety school.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:18 AM (kdS6q)

251 @243

Isn't there an easy way to check that? I recall hearing that public records of who voted are kept. When do those get released?

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 09:18 AM (a0nis)

252 189 #149 They don't "want abortion," but our pro-life talk is a massive dog-whistle to young people that we are uptight squares who don't like sex and don't want people to have fun. All they see is men talking about what a woman should or should not do with her body. It's a massive turnoff. I've had this conversation with young men and women since I was young myself.


I still am amazed at how the Democrats conspired with the MSM to actually make CONTRACEPTION an issue in this campaign. I mean, come on! Who on our side, in January, would have believed this would happen? But they did it, and we played right into it. We had a window to make this about religious liberty and we had the Administration on the run on this mandate, but then Rush Limbaugh opened his big fat mouth and ruined everything.


These guys are GOOD. They aren't lucky. They are GOOD. We have to get better.
Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:04 AM (qe2/V)

Yeah and if you remember Stephanopolous brought it up in a debate the week before Obama enacted forcing churches to pay for it

Posted by: Mr pink at November 08, 2012 09:18 AM (EQT2D)

253 "Remember that story of how the Republican poll watchers were kicked out until a judge ordered they be reinstated?"

-- That was in PA. We weren't winning PA. Not only that, but the places that are the bluest? Our turn out isn't going to matter much there.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 09:18 AM (moRRg)

254 Well, back to trying to resume life as best I can under the stewardship of a sophisticated tin-pot dictator. Later, folks.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2012 09:19 AM (vbh31)

255 Stop with the conspiracy nonsense. The best they have to offer is "ZOMG fewer people vote". Um, ok?

The election wasn't close enough to be stolen safely.

It's our fault for not getting far enough ahead.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 09:19 AM (xAtAj)

256 So this guy in China drives around with license plates that say 007 and they think that means he's a spy? In one way, that's ludicrous, in another, brilliant.

Go around playing like James Fucking Bond to cover that you are a spy.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 08, 2012 09:19 AM (NuQ2+)

257 Romney lost because he could not get the base to the polls. Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 08:16 AM (YdQQY)

I'm torn between believing this and being, uh, somewhat more pessimistic. What I can't get out of my head is the Dem National Convention. Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-gov't handout, pro-big spending, pro-regulation, and pro-higher taxes. Completely unabashed. And it was on this platform that Obama received 60 million votes and won.

Posted by: Cricket at November 08, 2012 09:20 AM (DrC22)

258 So, let's see what we have here.

(a) Don't trust anyone under 30.
(b) F'n GOTV, how does it work?
(c) Never let the enemy teach your children.
(d) Or count the votes.
(e) Or broadcast the nightly news.
(f) OMG LEGALIZE NAO!!!1!~!eleventy!!!

...oh yeah, I am so out. I'll just try to work on (a) and (c) and leave the political silliness to y'all from now on. Even I can only tilt at so many windmills.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at November 08, 2012 09:20 AM (GBXon)

259 A few points I want to make from skimming all the posts above --

1. Turnout was not higher in my MS polling place than it was in 2008 and I posted that info here on election day. But my info didn't fit the narrative of massive turnout, so it was ignored. This phenomenon of ignoring info contrary to your perceptions, called selective perception, is well known. I'm just sayin'.

2. Ed at HA has said he will end the Obamateurism thingy after this election. He said it a long time ago. You'll have to find something else to nail him on; don't worry, there's still plenty of targets

3. I'm still majorly bummed.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 08, 2012 09:20 AM (ccXZP)

260
Listen to a college age Obama supporter. They cannot articulate why they vote for Obama. They just like him. I've heard it over and over.


Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:20 AM (O7ksG)

261 Yesterday ace posted the "be thankful" thread. In that spirit, I'm taking a day off work to attend a Veteran's Day event hosted by Dom Giordano, WPHT conservative talker. He's collecting stocking stuffers for our deployed troops. The 47%, the wealthy latte liberals who for some reason have decided to wage class warfare on themselves, the Catholics who are spitting in the face of their own Church's concerns, the young dildoheads who have no idea how they have self sabotaged - are not gonna keep this sista down.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 09:21 AM (jm/9g)

262 Here's a wild idea. The big issue was Ibamacare, and Romney refused to talk about it or anything. Voters saw no difference between the two candidates, didn't take Romney at his word and supported Obama after he hugged the fat gov during a hurricane, because maybe he was a uniter after all. Obama turned out his base, won undecideds, and Romney believed his worthless fucking advisers.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:21 AM (i0vBR)

263 Unless someone has some actual evidence other than your own denial I will poop all over these conspiracy theories.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 09:21 AM (xAtAj)

264 >>>Where are 5.5 million Republican votes?

Anybody check with the UN?

Posted by: Fritz at November 08, 2012 09:21 AM (/ZZCn)

265 2

Christie JUST realized we all saw his blow job of teh JEF? AWKWARD!

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 09:21 AM (GFM2b)

266 You ever notice Obama has many failures and minor defeats, but whenever he needs a huge win, he gets it. Obamacare, Franken, SCOTUS, 2012 election, etc. This is one reason I never thought he would lose on Tuesday night. He always wins when he HAS to. Now how he does it is a whole other topic.

Posted by: teebone at November 08, 2012 09:21 AM (YtLSL)

267 I do not think Obama was phoning it in because he knew he had this in the bag. It looked to me going into the last week that the Obama team was genuinely worried. Nate Silver nothwithstanding, the polls were showing razor-thin margins and their strategy was unusual and a big bet.


But what Obama was saying and how he looked in all those rallies really didn't matter very much. What mattered was that he was there.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:14 AM (qe2/V)


I think the Storm killed us. Not Christie so much,although that hurt also, just that it killed momentum and made obama look Presidential. Now if the Storm had been 3 weeks ago and people saw the mess the North East still is and how fucked up Fema is, it might all be different. It changed the meme from the economy to the storm. And those trumped up fucked up job numbers hurt us also I think.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 09:22 AM (79ueO)

268

"Barack Obama is the first two-term president in at least 100 years to get fewer votes in his reelection than he did the first time out. (FDR did less well in both his third and fourth terms.)"
hollow succor. but there's that.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:22 AM (O7ksG)

269 249Time for a time-out. We have gone truther/voter
Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:18 AM (YdQQY)You know what Vic, I'm not a truther, and in the end you are probably right, people didn't turn out. My point is why is it so wrong to discuss it? I was afraid when I posted about it because I knew someone would start calling me names. I don't think it's fair to label people, when you know those people are not truthers.I'm done talking about it, because we can't change it anyway.

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 09:22 AM (pwTow)

270 Before the storm hit - Romney was up 4-5 on Gallup. That's all I know.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:23 AM (O7ksG)

271 I agree with everything that rockmom said at 189, and the fact that I agree is what disheartens me most of all. I have had to accept that, actually, yes, irrelevant crap like birth control and gay marriage are more important for many voters, mainly the idiot children, than having a fucking job and being able to pay your bills. It's like quantum physics. My mind can't understand it, but it just IS. This is the world we live in now. Christ.

Which makes me think of something else - hammer me if you want, but Mitch Daniels' "truce" idea was very smart, and rejecting it was dumb.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:23 AM (zmlwq)

272 I think the Storm killed us. Not Christie so much,although that hurt
also, just that it killed momentum and made obama look Presidential.


That affected NJ and NY mostly, but we had no chance there anyhow. What about states like Ohio, Virginia, Iowa, and Wisconsin? We had a better than nothing chance in each of those, until the bottom fell out.

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:23 AM (GQ8sn)

273 It'll expand freedom, shrink the violent drug black market and empty a portion of our jails over time. I'd call that a win.
Posted by: HoboJerky, re MJ legalization

Horseshit.

Posted by: Klawnet at November 08, 2012 09:24 AM (AYfPj)

274 I'm gonna stay neutral on conspiracy theories until the records of who voted are released. It's worth looking at those, but I doubt we'll find much.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 09:24 AM (a0nis)

275 Really had my eyes opened about younger single women and abortion a few years ago.


I worked for a law firm and some of us went to the annual convention of the association that was our biggest client. A young female attorney who was a pretty good friend of mine was at the airport when I arrived for my departing flight. She looked haggard and worried, so I asked what was wrong. She told me she had gone out partying the night before, got drunk, went home with some guy she met at the bar, and had sex with him. She had forgotten to bring her Plan B pills with her and was freaking out that she was knocked up. She had called her doctor and the Dr. told her if she got home in time she could still take the Plan B and it would prevent a pregnancy. I asked her why she didn't make the guy use a rubber and she said "oh, we were really drunk, I don't like asking guys if they have condoms, sometimes they break, yadda yadda. I take the Plan B so I am in control." I said, what happens if it doesn't work, and she said, "oh, I would just have an abortion." Very matter of fact.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:24 AM (qe2/V)

276
L.A. council approves ID cards for city residents

The cards could be used by illegal immigrants to open bank accounts, borrow library books and pay utility bills. There would also be a separate debit card feature that users could pre-load with cash.





That "cash" being goverment welfare bling.

De Nada, Senor Suckers.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:25 AM (kdS6q)

277 Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:24 AM (qe2/V)
___
No concern whatsoever for the myriad of STDs circulating out there. People are just morally bankrupt and decrepit.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 09:26 AM (jm/9g)

278 Let's stop BSing. As long as the dems have a Black on the ticket they will get out the vote. Blacks are racist. They only vote for Blacks.

Just facts. All the work of the dems was to get the Black vote out. We know about that in the South. If you have 22% of the population(The % of Black voters in NC) voting one way, that means you have to get 44% to simply break even.

In CLT when Obama runs every Black in the county votes straight ticket. We have NO republicans getting elected at large.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:26 AM (wR+pz)

279 "Someone explain to me how Romney got fewer votes than John fucking McCain."

Said
it once, twice, thrice -- I'll say it again. Remember all those people
who said: "If it isn't Cain, I won't vote." "If we don't pick Perry,
we've lost." "Newt or not voting?"

They were telling you the truth; they stuck to their guns.


Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 09:16 AM (moRRg)


And what does sticking to their guns get them? 4 more years of Barry. That's a brilliant way to look at an election.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 09:26 AM (1Jaio)

280 "LA mandates condom use for porn actors"

Government ruins everything, even erotic movies.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 08, 2012 09:26 AM (qiXMt)

281 That affected NJ and NY mostly, but we had no chance there anyhow. What about states like Ohio, Virginia, Iowa, and Wisconsin? We had a better than nothing chance in each of those, until the bottom fell out.
Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:23 AM (GQ8sn)

No it dominated the News Cycle for a few days and all the News Networks, even Fox to some extent, showed obama in a positive light. Before the Storm Gallup had Romney up by 4-5 points, that dropped to 1 or even by the electoin.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 09:27 AM (79ueO)

282
We need a conservative who can both persuade and teach economics and political history at the same time. Listen to Reagan's old speeches. He wasn't all about repeating the same talking points over and over.
I have to say that I've felt terrible about this campaign since the first Obama negative ad barrage came here to Florida earlier this year and Romneyonly had one very ineffective positive ad on jobs in response. I knew Obama's ads were mostly untrue and even I didn't like Romney after watching them. The power ofgood negative ads, true or not, made the difference in Florida for sure. They even rolled out Colin Powell on the last day as a closing argument ad.
Romney's ads in Florida got really good about a month ago, or six months+ too late.

Living in Floridaand Ohiomust be unlike anywere else.Obama told me to vote for him on my cell phone in the morning, then computer, then voicemail on land line, then every commercial break (usually twice per break) for almost a year.
I feel like my human rights were violated.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 09:27 AM (sOtz/)

283 Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 09:01 AM (yKUrR)

If the nominee cannot take responsibility for their own shitty campaign, they were never cut out for the hardest job in the world. And if you lose, it's because you ran a losing campaign. Afterward, the base has to do some soul searching to figure out what went wrong, why they nominated a loser and how they misread the electorate. It's really that simple. The winner gets the most votes where it matters.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:28 AM (i0vBR)

284 "And what does sticking to their guns get them? 4 more years of Barry. That's a brilliant way to look at an election."

-- I agree. Primaries are for principles; general elections are for pragmatism.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 09:28 AM (moRRg)

285
The future of America:
http://tinyurl.com/afe3n66

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:29 AM (O7ksG)

286 "LA mandates condom use for porn actors"

Government ruins everything, even erotic movies.
Posted by: Shoot Me at November 08, 2012 09:26 AM (qiXMt)

They will just move porno films over seas like everything else. Debbie Does Dallas will become Debbie does Bangkok!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 09:29 AM (79ueO)

287 Colin Powell is such a fucking joke. He's managed to parlay Norman Schwartzkopf's coattails into a twenty year career.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:29 AM (zmlwq)

288 Some applicants for FEMA relief are getting a rude awakening: they'll only release funds for primary residence, not shore homes.

I am certain preazy messiah will get right on that.

Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 09:29 AM (jm/9g)

289 260
Listen to a college age Obama supporter. They cannot articulate why they vote for Obama. They just like him. I've heard it over and over.

@@@@@@@@

This. The cult of personality remains powerful. Ask a liberal straight-out whether if the economy is still in shambles at the end of Obama's eighth year, it will still be Bush's fault. They will, to a one, say "yes."

I have a still-nascent theory that as we've secularized, the human longing for God has been transferred to deified individuals.

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 08, 2012 09:29 AM (hyP1j)

290 Dave in Florida,
5.5 million would be massive fraud,
But srsly i thought people were thrilled to climb over broken glass ,but i thought maybe that i mainly read this site with like minded people that Know what's happened during the last 4 years. (maybe a bubble)
then i think of the economy, something no-one should be able to miss. People wanted another four years of this and worsening future?
Then i think ....media, the lack of bad information allowed if it reflects badly on Obama.
10 million less for obama, so definately a reaction against hope and change.
5.5 million, inexplicabe.
Gabriel was the only one that had bad numbrs, (why)

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:30 AM (hX8cq)

291 276

L.A. council approves ID cards for city residents


WTF? Why and how? Next they will try currency? Not going to happen, see US Constitution.

I think a good case could be made that issuing a local ID is discrimination. I travel to LA and get stopped. Cop says let me see you ID. I give him a LA ID, he says OK I see you live just down the road, have a nice day.

I give him my Driver's License and not LA ID. Where are you from, what are you doing here, step out of the car, blah blah blah.

I would think Blacks would go ballistic over this.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:30 AM (wR+pz)

292 #271 My daughter is 15 and I have raised her to be pretty conservative, but this year she started high school and her views are changing because of what she hears at school. At least she talks to me so I can try to set her straight. But one of her friends is gay and so the gay marriage thing has become a big deal to her. Like abortion, it is a "Proxy" or dog-whistle. If you oppose gay marriage, you don't like gay people and you are just like the assholes who bully my gay friends at school. She insisted that I tell her my views about it, and what I did was give her both sides and really try to show her what a stupid thing it is to get worked up about.


We all thought Obama dropped his pretend opposition to gay marriage just to appease the big-money Hollywood gays, but it was really about ginning up the youth vote, and continuing to brand the GOP with young voters as backward and bigoted.


Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:30 AM (qe2/V)

293 271 radar. I agree.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:30 AM (O7ksG)

294 Check out the story of the guy laying off 22 employees yesterday as a result of Obama getting re-elected.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 08, 2012 09:30 AM (bXdYS)

295 One upside to this is that the GOP will never be taken seriously by real conservatives again.

So 200 years from now, when the movement rebuilds itself, we may have a true Republican party.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 09:31 AM (ojOys)

296 Obama is using the alinsky playbook (meant for 3rd world countries), and it is working in the World's wealthiest nation.

1. Detroy the Rich and capitalism thru the balot box. Check
2. Control the Masses. Obamacare. Check
3. Divide the opposition. GOP Primary season
4. Define the enemy. Swing state ads early in 2012 painting Romney in Ohio as the devil. Check.

Right before are eyes, people that would have arrested for treason 50 years ago, have taken control of America.

John boehner has a chance to save the Country by fighting for the 48% left of the Country who still believes in freedom. Too bad his tee times forbid it

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 09:32 AM (t4nf+)

297 @295

Okay, that's two troll posts. What's your deal?

Posted by: JDTAY at November 08, 2012 09:32 AM (a0nis)

298 12 Marijuana Legalization Victories Could Be Short Lived

Pot doesn't need much time. Marijuana smoke is 100 times heavlier and deadlier than cigarette smoke.


I'm seeing a billion dollar business here. Liquify THC and put in eCig juice. Vape a high. No pot smell. No "bad" tars and crap. Hell, for that matter, dissolve some prime Peruvian flake in the eCig juice.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 09:32 AM (GFM2b)

299 Repeat from last thread. The exit polls for the people that did show up said that the two biggest things that Obama voters based their vote on was The Sandy Storm and the economy for which they blamed Bush.



That was totally a product of the MFM. Its hard to overcome the Dems and the MFM when the electorate is stupid. Its even harder when some of your own base is stupid and sits it out.


Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:33 AM (YdQQY)

300
They will just move porno films over seas like everything else.
Posted by: Nevergiveup




The porn capital of America has moved over the years. Was a time when San Francisco and New York were the centers. The "Porn Valley" rise of the San Fernando Valley is from the 70s on.

The locus will probably just move to other devo blue state.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:33 AM (kdS6q)

301 Quit letting paid consultants pick your nominee. Miney isn't everything. Romney had all this money, it got him the nomination and a set of steak knives. Rubio was a nobody, and he defeated the popular FL governor. Scott Brown had a big war chest after selling his votes, and Liarwatha rode with Obama. His constituents regretted their vote, in other words. What did the American people get with all this money? A loud, nasty election that made most people sick to their stomachs.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:33 AM (i0vBR)

302 "279 "Someone explain to me how Romney got fewer votes than John fucking McCain."

Said
it once, twice, thrice -- I'll say it again. Remember all those people
who said: "If it isn't Cain, I won't vote." "If we don't pick Perry,
we've lost." "Newt or not voting?"

They were telling you the truth; they stuck to their guns.


Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 09:16 AM (moRRg)"

This little myth has already been debunked.

Independents didn't vote. Republicans did. Minorities had very high turnout.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 09:33 AM (sRsX7)

303 MJ legalization referenda, or reduced penalties that amount to parking tickets, have been instituted all over the place. Zero change in the incarceration/crime rates that I can see. I've been over this in person with cop friends a million times. Virtually nobody goes to jail just for weed. Obviously if you're smuggling major poundage, you're getting busted, but if you're smoking a doobie and have an ounce in your pocket you're still sleeping in your own bed that night. The major criminal/social impacts come from coke/heroin/meth/whatever-the-hell-else-is-out-there-nowadays. I thinkpot should be legal, but let's not pretend it's a major issue facing the country. It's peanuts.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 08, 2012 09:34 AM (GeD0A)

304 as i never watched campaign (nd th crowds)stops prior to 2008. the enthusiasm thing

has anyone anecdotal evidence with other crowds from previous Rebublican candidate campaign stops and crowds?

Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 09:34 AM (hX8cq)

305 What if our people DID show up but their ballots were "disappeared"? Remember, some of these polling stations in the deepest parts of blue city shitholes are completely run by democrat machine operatives. Remember that story of how the Republican poll watchers were kicked out until a judge ordered they be reinstated? Who knows what happened in the mean time?------

So there were 5.5M GOP votes in deep blue inner city shitholes that got disappeared?

Look. You're disappointed. I get that. But this is the same grasping at straws that happened with the birth certificate nonsense.

Sometimes reality sucks. Constructing an alternate reality where you really DID win, only somebody STOLE it from you, and if we can just uncover what MUST have happened, then everything will be okay is not an effective strategy for dealing with it. And it just gives you a kernel of manufactured resentment to curl up around and defend against all the facts that you just don't like.

Refusing to accept defeat is not the way to plan for future victories.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 09:35 AM (6Hf3R)

306 222 Gluttony is a deadly sin with reason. Krispy Kreme and Fat Fuckabee sicking Akin on the party could have cost Romney crucial points where it mattered.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:35 AM (i0vBR)

307 I disagree that young people like being unemployed though. It is much easier for them, but the hot chicks still want guys with nice cars and good jobs. That will never change.

1500 or 2k a month allows you to live, but does not make you a player

Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 09:36 AM (t4nf+)

308 I'm seeing a billion dollar business here. Liquify
THC and put in eCig juice. Vape a high. No pot smell. No "bad" tars and
crap. Hell, for that matter, dissolve some prime Peruvian flake in the
eCig juice.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 09:32 AM (GFM2b)

Call me! What a great idea. Sort of like the old Coca Wine that McKinley loved.
http://tinyurl.com/a35hj7g

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 08, 2012 09:36 AM (wR+pz)

309 Gabe has the "why we lost" thread up now.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2012 09:37 AM (YdQQY)

310 The future of America:
http://tinyurl.com/afe3n66



Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:29 AM (O7ksG)

We all thought Obama dropped his pretend opposition
to gay marriage just to appease the big-money Hollywood gays, but it was
really about ginning up the youth vote, and continuing to brand the GOP
with young voters as backward and bigoted.







Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:30 AM (qe2/V)


The 30 and under crowd has been indoctrinated by the school systems since kindergarten. They want them to be good little mindless drones. The schools start the brainwashing and the MFM/"entertainment" industry reinforces it every day

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 09:37 AM (1Jaio)

311 I will be deeply amused if it is pot that leads the Left to embrace federalism.


Re: the condoms in porn thing, I'm fairly certain all the studios are already moving to Nevada for filming. Here's the fun bit, this is going to have an impact on the real estate market as well. A lot of the high end home that are sitting unsold do a lovely side business in short term rentals for movie production use. Many of those movies are for the adult industry. I recall reading rumblings that the real estate industry in LA is very very displeased about this law.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 08, 2012 09:37 AM (VtjlW)

312 Refusing to accept defeat is not the way to plan for future victories. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 09:35 AM (6Hf3R)

You're telling me!

Posted by: Al Gore at November 08, 2012 09:37 AM (sbV1u)

313 Basically, I've become a single-issue voter on the economy, because I've been through financial and unemployment hell over the past 4 years and I'm scared shitless of having to go through it again. At least the unemployment part ended. If an issue doesn't directly impact my ability to put food on the table and provide for my family, I don't give a shit.

Wait, and the Second Amendment. I'm a two issue voter.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:37 AM (zmlwq)

314
WTF? Why and how? Not going to happen, see US Constitution.
Posted by: Billy Bob




Constitution? Hahahahah!

Happened: http://tinyurl.com/a9xey83

Now off to the Alcalde's desk to be signed.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 08, 2012 09:38 AM (kdS6q)

315 "John boehner has a chance to save the Country by fighting for the 48% left of the Country who still believes in freedom. Too bad his tee times forbid it"

John Boehner had a chance to fight in 2011. But he decided to abandon the pledge for America.

And we all were told, over and over, that being 'clean' and running on the economy would net us a blowout victory. Listen to our betters - the self-styled Otto von Bismarcks with their introcate schemes and prophecies.

That advice was 100% wrong.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 09:38 AM (MVGKx)

316 I worked the command center for the Romney campaign on Tuesday. I was in charge of one county in southern Ohio: Warren county.

Warren turned out above 2004 and 2008, and went about 70% for Romney.

Cuyahoga county and East Columbus were rife with outright fraud. Ohio was definitely stolen. I can almost guarantee you that Romney votes were awarded to Obama. Based on the R turnout in rural counties versus their historical trend, this is the only thing that makes sense.

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2012 09:38 AM (I2LwF)

317 I don't know about the other states but my suspicions of fraud are definitely there for Florida. This is a state that relatively recently elected a Republican governor and a Tea Party supported Senator. That they would now convincingly vote for Obama does not make sense. Of course its Florida and they do have the title of weirdess state in the Union. If you hear about a brother and sister getting caught having sex while driving their car at the same time fleeing from the cops you can bet it occurred in Florida.

Posted by: polynikes at November 08, 2012 09:39 AM (m2CN7)

318


Young people (most- not all) are
also selfish and devoid of morals. They are not religious and they are taught
at a young age to believe all the various strands of leftwing dogma. Even the good kids are tempted by
the poison. (My 16 year old nephew who is smart and caring, thinks he’s a
fucking communist.) Really –our schools are teaching our kids that communism is
good. Add to that total andcomplete economic
illiteracy, and it’s a recipe for disaster for the Grand Old Par-tey


Institutionalized stupidity gets
democrat elected.





Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:39 AM (O7ksG)

319 Some applicants for FEMA relief are getting a rude awakening: they'll only release funds for primary residence, not shore homes.

I think the way the process works is if it's a second home -- which I would venture something like 75% of NJ barrier island real estate is -- you have to file a claim with your insurance provider first -- before you contact FEMA. The difference between what your insurers pays and the actual loss is all that FEMA will look at. Cuts out the 'double dippers'.

Though I will say this, most insurers of coastal properties don't/won't insure contents of the first floor, for a DAMN GOOD REASON. So that's what Uncle Sugar (well YOU actually) is gonna cover -- all the big screen tvs, the stereos, the hardwood floors -- the stuff you could have either moved to the second floor beforehand or never should have installed in a coastal flood plain because it WAS NOT INSURABLE.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 09:39 AM (feFL6)

320 213 #203 Fresh wrote: "My hubby and I are going to stop spending money and put it all in the bank. No Christmas for the next 4 years. Instead of a robust economy"

Same here, I had items ready to purchase this weekend on Veteran's day sales. Not gonna do it. I usually go out to lunch to have an hour away from my nattering Liberal co-workers. Not gonna do it, I will bring my lunch and eat it in the lunch room. I say we crash this economy as fast as we can.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (kXoT0)

I'm trying to avoid making any major changes until I get over being pissed off. But, yeah--at this point I'm thinking the only way forward is to adopt a defensive position. That means hoarding cash and survival goods. No other expenditures.

We're going to be living in a third-world shithole, and I don't know how to do that.

This is about survival.

Posted by: Scobface at November 08, 2012 09:39 AM (IoNBC)

321 Bets on how long before the gay hobbit shows up here?


Your words are hurtful.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 08, 2012 09:39 AM (VtjlW)

322 Whoever up there said Mitch Daniels had it right on the social issues, is right.


The GOP Establishment did NOT want Mitt Romney as the nominee this year. They wanted Daniels, and even late in the game they made a pitch to Christie to jump in. I actually think Romney turned in a better campaign and personal performance than many of them expected.


This would have been a very different campaign if Daniels had run. Might have been some more overt Bush-bashing since Daniels briefly worked for Bush. But Daniels also had a brilliant 8-year record as Governor of Indiana to run on and a moderate image and persona.

Unfortunately, Daniels knew he would be up against the Axelrod slime machine and his marriage would have been gutted and displayed on national TV for 6 months, and he said No thanks.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:39 AM (qe2/V)

323 @307

They don't like being unemployed, but it's less important to them than showing how sophisticated they are in loving gays and minorites and snickering about white people, which they, um, are.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:41 AM (zmlwq)

324 Refusing to accept defeat is not the way to plan for future victories. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 09:35 AM (6Hf3R)

I agree with that Jeff, but it's also not productive to dismiss fraud, even if it doesn't swing the election. We have to plan for that too don't you think?

Posted by: spypeach at November 08, 2012 09:41 AM (pwTow)

325 On Election Day, my husband and I ate a nice dinner, went hiking and driving, and I bought him a tie. We did the selfish Republican thankful thing in the red state I grew up on. Sheets named everything after himself, too, so I have hope for the electorate that one day they will see reason.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:41 AM (i0vBR)

326 I have a still-nascent theory that as we've secularized, the human longing for God has been transferred to deified individuals. Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 08, 2012 09:29 AM (hyP1j)

THIS. And that's been going on for a while now.

Posted by: Al Gore at November 08, 2012 09:42 AM (sbV1u)

327
321
Bets on how long before the gay hobbit shows up here?



----------


Your words are hurtful.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 08, 2012 09:39 AM (VtjlW)

Oh no, no no no no no. Gay hobbit? Never. I'm thinking more..."compact and highly sexual"....but I need a good, sexy way to phrase that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:43 AM (da5Wo)

328 308

I mentioned it in the ONT in regards to vaping. A coworkers father who is diabetic and has never smoked has started vaping. He uses ZERO milligrams of nicotine, chocolate flavor.
He gets hia chocolate "fix/taste" and doesn't mess up his blood sugar levels.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 09:43 AM (GFM2b)

329 324 You can't do anything about fraud when you're out of power. It's Obama's DOJ, and we're just living with it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:43 AM (i0vBR)

330 Refusing to accept defeat is not the way to plan for future victories.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 08, 2012 09:35 AM (6Hf3R)

Its not paranoia if someone is really after you.

Posted by: polynikes at November 08, 2012 09:43 AM (m2CN7)

331 In third-world shitholes, families are drawn closer together as they huddle around their barrel-fires.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 09:45 AM (IoNBC)

332 And here's something about the argument over the schools that doesn't quite make sense to me. The lefty slant of schools and colleges has been around for quite a while. The schools and colleges I attended in the '80s and '90s all had dipshit hippie teachers who tried to indoctrinate us, and I'm pretty sure it's been like that since the '70s. Why is there only now such massive success in brainwashing kids??

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:45 AM (zmlwq)

333 (My 16 year old nephew who is smart and caring, thinks he’s a fucking communist.) Really –our schools are teaching our kids that communism is good. Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:39 AM (O7ksG)

So the fact that communism never works unless you kill people by the hundreds of thousands makes no impression on him, huh?

Cool. Send him my way.

Posted by: Satan at November 08, 2012 09:46 AM (sbV1u)

334 A) young voters, idiots that young people usually are, went for obama
B) White voters are down to 73% which is catastrophic for us
C) minorities are voting as a block, which is undemocratic and unintellectual and again catastrophic for us
D) welfare/fed handout scum are at 51%. Again catastrophic for us. Now if you need a Gov handout for a specific reason that does NOT make you scum at all, but when you EXPECT and figure it is your RIGHT, yes that makes you scum!

Short of a real War and/or Nuke dentonation in this Country I see no way to reverse this.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2012 09:46 AM (79ueO)

335 I expect Nevada porn to meed the same high quality benchmarks we've known from Van Nuys porn. The skillsand equipment should not be too hard to transplant.

Posted by: Beagle at November 08, 2012 09:46 AM (sOtz/)

336 I so want to move out of New York to a red state. Sick of this union-infested incompetently-governed socialist craphole, and my MSNBC-addicted Obama-loving family.

If the situation presents itself, I'm gone. They all have better football teams to root for than the Bills, anyway.

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 08, 2012 09:47 AM (cv5Iw)

337 All this election proved is that children will chose candy over vegetables.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 09:47 AM (tf9Ne)

338 Oh no, no no no no no. Gay hobbit? Never. I'm thinking more..."compact
and highly sexual"....but I need a good, sexy way to phrase that.


How about "slim form factor sex kitten"?

Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:48 AM (GQ8sn)

339 What can you do about fraud? You can go to jail after beating a graduated senseless with a baseball bat.


A few of these and we'll be fine.

We just have to find some beaters down for the cause.

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2012 09:48 AM (I2LwF)

340 #313, I am with you there. Obama and his pals in the Democratic Party killed the mortgage industry where I worked for 15 years. Lost my job in 2008 and didn't get another fulltime job until last fall. Lucky now to have a dull and boring job in a good bank that is foreign-owned. But I took a 30% pay cut and have a 100 mile a day commute, so gas prices are killing me.


Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:48 AM (qe2/V)

341 Fighting fraud is about the next election, not the one we just had. Nothing will change that one, but we do need to know who is commitiing fraud and whereit is worst if we're ever going to get a handle on it. Yesterday (great timing) my issue of the John Locke Foundation monthly Carolina Journal came in the mail. Front page story detailing how shitbag State employee NC Dems have been illegally trolling mental hospitals for votes. That's something that can be stopped, but only if people realize how important it is.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 08, 2012 09:49 AM (GeD0A)

342 One thing that makes me feel oddly calm is Drudge's headline from yesterday: Own It.

Posted by: LASue at November 08, 2012 09:49 AM (gjIQF)

343 I'm thinking more..."compact and highly sexual"....but I need a good, sexy way to phrase that.


That's some quality sucking up right there.


Its not paranoia if someone is really after you.


Was it Kissinger who said it's impossible to be paranoid in Washington DC because paranoia is the incorrect belief that someone is out to get you?





Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 08, 2012 09:49 AM (VtjlW)

344 We need immigration restrictions.....on the borders in red states. "Oh, moving from California, are you? Get the fuck outta here!"

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:49 AM (zmlwq)

345 322 Rockmom, you're usually right, but you're trying too hard to relate to your 15 year old here. The platform is carefully considered, and we don't need a truce on social issues. Look what that's done for the Catholic Church. You could at least explain the issues to your daughter. The GOP needs to follow your example and treat the electorate like s bunch of 15 year old girls, because that's where we are thanks to our public education system. The emphasis is on feelings over survival.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:49 AM (i0vBR)

346 Message to the GOP: Be the parent, not the friend.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 08, 2012 09:51 AM (i0vBR)

347 "Why is there only now such massive success in brainwashing kids??"

Because now it's not just the schools, it's the entire culture. Kids will sometimesblow off a teacher, but they'll always worship at the altar of the almighty TeeVee.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 08, 2012 09:51 AM (GeD0A)

348 100 mile commute? Day-um. I had about a 25 mile commute for the first shitty $10/hour job I had to take when I was first laid off in 2008.25miles, but only a short stretch of it was interstate so it took an hour each way.Sucked ass.

Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:52 AM (zmlwq)

349
Obama and his pals are not finished killing private industry. The private health care industry is next.

Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:52 AM (O7ksG)

350 341

Make voter fraud carry the death penalty. With a summary execution. Like with Moran's son caught on tape. DP should have been carried out within the hour.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 09:53 AM (GFM2b)

351 "Independents didn't vote. Republicans did."

-- Wasn't Romney winning independents? Remember: Most "independents" are simply soft partisans, exactly the sort who can be depressed out of voting.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 09:53 AM (moRRg)

352 Let us please be reminded that there are differences between Slimewise Gangrene (aka "gay hobbit") and Her Divine Grace, Empress of Alextopia (aka "Our Lady of the Stompy Boots"). Update your targeting profiles appropriately.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at November 08, 2012 09:53 AM (GBXon)

353 349
Obama and his pals are not finished killing private industry. The private health care industry is next.
Posted by: Fresh at November 08, 2012 09:52 AM (O7ksG)

It's OK. People in third-world shitholes live without depending on jobs.

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 09:54 AM (IoNBC)

354 sorry fresh, your 16 yr old nephew is not smart and he's not caring....he needs some one on one time with a history book....i'm not trying to offend you...

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 08, 2012 09:55 AM (Ho2rs)

355 How about "slim form factor sex kitten"?


Posted by: EC at November 08, 2012 09:48 AM (GQ8sn)


Too wordy




339
What can you do about fraud? You can go to jail after beating a graduated senseless with a baseball bat.





A few of these and we'll be fine.



We just have to find some beaters down for the cause.

Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2012 09:48 AM (I2LwF)


Hi. Have I mentioned that I played baseball for close to 20 years? Went to college on a partial athletic scholarship?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:56 AM (da5Wo)

356 352

All hail the Stompy Boots and AtC that wields them.

With pics. Please God, pics.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 08, 2012 09:56 AM (GFM2b)

357 332 And here's something about the argument over the schools that doesn't quite make sense to me. The lefty slant of schools and colleges has been around for quite a while. The schools and colleges I attended in the '80s and '90s all had dipshit hippie teachers who tried to indoctrinate us, and I'm pretty sure it's been like that since the '70s. Why is there only now such massive success in brainwashing kids??


Posted by: radar at November 08, 2012 09:45 AM (zmlwq)


That's a fair question. I think it is because this generation of young people are the children of the Baby Boomers, who inherited from our parents a country that seemed an endless bounty of opportunity, entertainment, and fun. We are thus a self-absorbed generation and we have become so busy pursuing our careers and our own outside interests that we assume the schools are teaching our children not just knowledge, but ethics and morals.


We have not been good models of ethical behavior to our children, as our parents were to us. We are getting divorced in record numbers, having affairs, abandoning our parents to nursing homes instead of bringing them in to our homes as our parents did with our grandparents. We are moving around for jobs and career advancement, so our kids are growing up without extended family around and their school friends and teachers become the biggest influences on their thinking and behavior.


We are abandoning religion, because it seems old-fashioned and we want to be hip, and besides, we are so tired after a 60-hour work/commuting week that we need those extra hours of sleep on Sunday - and so do our kids, because we have overscheduled them with soccer games, art classes, piano lessons.


When I moved to my current town and joined a church, there were about 35 kids in the youth group. Now we are down to 15. Most Sundays my daughter is the only one who shows up for Sunday school.


Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 09:58 AM (qe2/V)

358 NEW YORK (AP) -- U.S. stock futures rebounded Thursday from the worst
plunge in the Dow Jones index this year, with the government reporting
that record exports of U.S. goods narrowed the country's trade deficit.






Down over 300 points yesterday up about 30 today. That's a hell of a rebound

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 08, 2012 09:59 AM (1Jaio)

359 Let's remember the words of Eulle Gibbons"

"Pine trees? Some parts are edible."

Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 10:00 AM (IoNBC)

360 Here's the thing, Poppins. Most of my reading I done on a phone. Also, the byline is at the BOTTOM of the post. Therefore, I can't fit 20 paragraphs an this twat's byline in the same page view. Therefore, I don't know which comments to scroll PAST, smartass. Move the byline to the TOP of the comment and your advice becomes helpful. Still unnecessary, but helpful.

EoJ, I was just busting your balls with an AoS meme. Didn't mean it personally.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 08, 2012 10:12 AM (zF6Iw)

361 35 Chris Christie did not have to praise TFG, I never liked him. He is a RINO! He kissed TFG's ass in public and probably killed Mitt Romney's chances to win with it. We have to come up with a nickname for him, something appropriate like SCOAMF,TFG and JEF.

Posted by: CarolT at November 08, 2012 08:24 AM (z4WKX)


How about TFF - That Fat Fuck. In a pinch, the "FF" could refer to the size of his man-boobehs.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 08, 2012 10:14 AM (zF6Iw)

362 Has the city of LAposted job listing for their new "condom placement inspector" jobyet?

Posted by: rockhead at November 08, 2012 10:16 AM (jtTKf)

363 It comes down to this: There were 3-5 million Republicans who voted in 2008, who are not here in 2012.

Either they voted and weren't counted, or they didn't vote.

If they didn't vote it will come out. You'll hear from great numbers of them about how they didn't vote because of this principle or that. It'll come out.

If it doesn't...

Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 10:18 AM (b00RV)

364 "Garry Johnson Runs Most Successful Libertarian Campaign In Party History"

That's sorta like saying he's the tallest Welsh Corgi in the pack, isn't it?

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at November 08, 2012 10:18 AM (GJnGN)

365 HOW DO WE ENSURE OUR ELECTIONS ARE LEGIT:Keep
your early voting (though I would limit it to a week before election
day), keep your electronic machines, but once the vote is tallied on the
machine, you print the ballot out, look it over and put your
fingerprint on it (the same fingerprint you put next to your name on the
voter roll). Drop the paper ballot in a padlocked box.That
box is guarded by reps of both parties who stay with it at every step
of the way, from the polling booth, to the sorting, to the announcement
of how many votes went for each candidate.But
of course the Democrats will say it's disenfranchisement, but that's
laughable in the face of it. EVERYONE HAS A FINGERPRINT. So we can fight
over photo ID, but fingerprints? That's GOD'S photo ID.DO IT

Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 10:19 AM (b00RV)

366 The secret ballot is too important a principle to compromise; we'll need to ensure elections are legitimate -before- votes are cast, not after.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 08, 2012 10:23 AM (moRRg)

367 Then a fingerprint next to your name on the rolls.

No fingerprint, no vote. If you vote by mail you must go to your precinct at some point before the election and put your fingerprint next to your signature on the roll.

If you get there on election day and your fingerprint is on the roll and you didn't put it there, lawyer up.

Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 10:34 AM (b00RV)

368 http://tinyurl.com/d76wqwp

Here's an article talking about the low turnout among white voters. Libs spent all the post-election talking about how the GOP is dead because the white voters aren't there. Well they are there, but they just didn't turn out (unless they did, and shenanigans prevailed) because Obama attacked Mitt as wealthy and out of touch going all the way back to February.

To win in 2016 we need a short primary, a blue collar candidate that can excite the big doners, sharp negative ads that define the opposition, and GOTV efforts that target low-propensity white voters (the kind the Romney camp swore they were getting in early voting, but shenanigans).

Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 10:50 AM (b00RV)

369 Oh no, no no no no no. Gay hobbit? Never. I'm thinking more..."compact and highly sexual"....but I need a good, sexy way to phrase that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 08, 2012 09:43 AM (da5Wo)


How about "ewok?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 08, 2012 11:05 AM (zF6Iw)

370 All your votes belong to us..

Posted by: Evil SOS Squad at November 08, 2012 12:13 PM (7VN/H)

371 Testing on an old dead thread, because I f'd up an I'm in the barrel on the other side.

Posted by: Semi-New Moron. at November 10, 2012 04:31 PM (mkb9H)

372 Test in the barrel

Posted by: Semi-New Moron. at November 10, 2012 04:39 PM (mkb9H)

373 ampersand ¢

Posted by: Semi-New Moron. at November 10, 2012 04:43 PM (mkb9H)






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