Positive Life Improvement Thread

Okay, one more. Treat today like New Year's Eve and make a vow to improve your life, or improve yourself as a person, or as a parent (or a child), in some definite way.

If you have any success stories, advice and encouragement as to general life improvements, offer.

Why am I on this kick? I've said this before but since Andrew Breitbart died I've understood, for the first time, really, we have only one life, and it's pretty damn short.

One thing I noticed was that someone mentioned smoking, and the e-cig.

If you're still a smoker: Dude, you must stop. Come on. It's not a sign of rebellion. It's kind of a sign that you don't like your life very much and don't think much about shortening it.

Now, because I understand nicotine addiction like anyone, I'll mention once again that the e-cig supposedly has no adverse health consequences -- nicotine itself is, allegedly, of the same chemical family as caffeine, and has a similar health effects profile (that is, it's not exactly good for you but it's not cancer-causing). Update: Well, actually, it increases blood pressure. Which is not good. But it's also not cancer.

The e-cig is also cheap. $160 will set you up for about three months or more of heavy smoking; after that, you'll have to pay, say, $50 every couple of months to replenish nicotine liquid and atomizers.

Although you can insert a tobacco flavor into the liquid (or cherry, or watermelon, or menthol, or chocolate, or whatever), I stopped that months ago myself, and so now my vapor smells like... nothing at all.

Although you may occasionally crave a real cigarette, I'll tell this, I keep a pack around for emergencies but it pretty much just sits in a drawer. When I do break down and have one, it's usually half, because halfway through the thing I realize "This has no appreciable benefit over the non-cancer-causing substitute I use, and it kind of tastes nasty, like charbroiled ass." So I stub it out and wonder why I did that.

Quitting is pretty easy. When I first went on it, I was off cigarettes, completely, for about three months. At that point I stared the "just one, once in a while" thing. Which I've now mostly stopped.

Number of cigarettes during and after the election: Zero point zero.

I had one Sunday, though.

Other benefits: You can vape (we say "vape," because it's vapor, not smoke) in your house with no smell. You can vape in restaurants and bars. You can vape on a train. You can vape in bed. You can vape one puff if you wake up in the middle of the night.

You can, actually, vape in airplanes, even though you're not supposed to, simply by doing it on the down low and making sure you mix a lot of air into your exhale so you're not ostentatiously pluming a cloud of gray smoke (vapor, but it looks like smoke).

I didn't tell you that was legal-- I just said you can get away with it it if you're reasonably furtive about it.

You will never say "Oh God, it's 1 am and I'm out of cigarettes and I have to drive to 7-11" again.

If you've tried the ones you can buy at 7-11 and the mall, and found it wanting, that's because those sellers sell cartridges (tanks with nicotine liquid) at such a low level of nicotine as to make you miss nicotine. When you buy online, you buy a jar of nicotine liquid and glycerine to cut it with so you can make it as strong as you like.

You can also start cutting the dosage of the nicotine to slowly wean yourself off the stuff. I, honestly, have not done that yet. I'll do so on my next batch.

Because people don't know what to get, I'll recommend the model I currently have, which is the best I've had so far.

It's called the Tornado Tank Ego-C Mega. Corrected: Apparently it's "eGo," not "eCo."

The "Mega" part is a variation of the regular one. The Mega has a bigger battery and bigger tank of liquid, so you have to swap those out less frequently. I don't think this part of it makes much difference, except the Mega version is a little bigger, and is more convenient for heavier vapers.

Here's a video review.

Because people don't know much about this, I'll explain the basics. The thing is made up of pieces. All pieces usually come in a starter kit, but call someone (like Totally Wicked e-liquid) and order verbally with a salesperson to make sure you're getting everything you need.

The pieces are:

1. Battery. This is a battery, shaped like a tube.

2. Atomizer shell. This holds the atomizer and the tank. It's just a piece to hold other pieces.

3. Atomizer. This is a little widget that permits a bit of liquid to drip on to the hot surface inside the atomizer and thus turn it into warm vapor. It's powered by direct contact with the battery. When the thing screws together, the battery touches the atomizer. One Tricky Thing: The atomizer does not snap in or otherwise fit securely in the atomizer body. It just sits on an interior surface. It gets locked in when you screw the whole thing together. Don't do what I did and sit there like a stumped monkey for three hours trying to figure out how to snap it into place. It doesn't snap. It'll all work itself out when you screw it all together. This'll make sense when you actually do it.

4. The tank. This is a plastic reservoir containing (in the mega version) 2 ml of fluid. It has to be refilled about once per day... if you're a heavy vaper. Less if you vape less. Fluid is pulled into the atomizer via a channel in the tank, and then comes out of the mouthpiece in the form of vapor.

That's the unit. You'll also need a charger (comes with the battery in most starter kits, or else buy it separately for $10 or whatever) and a bottle of nicotine fluid. This last thing is pricey -- like $60 for a bottle -- but it's concentrated nicotine so it lasts for three months or more.

Also buy yourself a 30 mi eyedropper bottle. This is like $3 from them, but I'm sure you can get it a lot of places for less. This is where you mix your liquid. You poor in the nicotine fluid and then cut it with glycerine (cheap, and should come with the liquid). I think the fluid comes in a 72 mgc level; most people will cut that down to 18 (one part liquid, three parts glycerine). You can go as high as 36 (which will have a powerful, Marlboro Red level nicotine kick).

You use that eyedropper to fill your tank when you're out. You also take that opportunity to switch batteries, putting a fresh one on the unit and putting the old one on the charger. (You always should buy two batteries.)

You have to mix liquid about once a week, less, of course, if you vape less. Takes five minutes. It's not chemistry. It involves pouring and then shaking.

So: Mix the stuff once a week (or less), fill the tank once a day, switch batteries once per day.

Replacement costs: The atomizer wears out about every month or two; they sell them in five-packs for about $20. Liquid, as I said, cost $60 or $70, and lasts three months (and I vape a lot; a more casual vaper would get a year out of it).

So, after the first $160 outlay, it'll cost about $70 or so every three months to order new liquid and new atomizers. Compared to cigarettes, that's not expensive.

Now, they keep putting old models out of commission and introducing new ones, so in like a year, year and a half, you might not be able to get the parts for your old one, and you might have to buy new parts for their new model, forced into that new model. That's how I moved to this new model, the Eco-C. Still, that's something that happens once every 18 months or so. That'll set you back an extra $80 or so, when it happens. (Some parts, like batteries and chargers, are compatible between models, though, so costs may be less.)

Like I said, every once in a while I want an actual cigarette. Old habits die hard. But weeks can go by between actual cigarettes.

And I never actually crave them. Convince myself I want one and am entitled to one? Sure. But crave? No. I'm getting nicotine.

Also, as I said, you can start reducing the concentration of nicotine in your liquid so you wean yourself off of it entirely, as you like.

It's a bad habit. Give this a shot and see if you can kick it. I know CDR M is now off of cigarettes thanks to this.

Posted by: Ace at 09:02 PM



Comments

1 you really are a wimp

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 09:04 PM (nbYoV)

2 Secondary Smoke

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 09:06 PM (SP4jC)

3 Have you tried the gum or Zyban?

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 09:07 PM (doBIb)

4 >>>Have you tried the gum or Zyban?

Yeah I quit once on the gum. It's pretty good.

I just find this easier, because it not only gives you nicotine, it simulates the whole mechanical process of smoking.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:08 PM (LCRYB)

5 >>>you really are a wimp

what's your problem, troll?

Mama didn't love you enough?

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:09 PM (LCRYB)

6 THC version coming to a state near you....

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 07, 2012 09:09 PM (23NGc)

7 Fuck it, Obamacare can buy me a new lung, tobacco is one of my few pleasures.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 07, 2012 09:10 PM (GZitp)

8 >>>6 THC version coming to a state near you....

they already have them. They sell THC liquid in states where you can get it for "medical" reasons. Just put that in the thing and puff.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:11 PM (LCRYB)

9 The gum is supposed to work in conjunction with something else, like the patch. You should work the gum with the E-cig.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 09:11 PM (doBIb)

10 Both my father and father-in-law died slow deaths from emphysema. My dad was a two pack-a-day unfiltered Camel smoker for decades. It is irreversable and only gets worse over time; it never gets better. You just slowly sufficate until you have a heart attack or die from some other complication.

Posted by: profligatewaste at November 07, 2012 09:11 PM (uyl03)

11 I quit chew. Cold turkey. First week was ok, kinda tough. 2nd week was brutal. After that, got easier every day, knew I had kicked it for sure one day about a 6 weeks later and realized I hadn't thought about it for a week.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 09:11 PM (PHb2k)

12 This may sound dumb but a habit I've restarted is making my bed in morning before I make my coffee.
I got out of the habit because it's just my husband and I and neither of us really gave a flip about it but I enjoy having a "little accomplishment" in the morning and really like having an orderly room (I work from home) and not looking slobby.
It's a little thing but it's a positive life improvement.

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 09:11 PM (RGgMp)

13 Ace, your positive threads have meant a lot to me today. Its been wonderful to see how much we really have that is beautiful and good. You have no idea how much these have helped me. So thank you.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 09:12 PM (JLlNK)

14 I've been thinking about this recently. Still smoking and once I hit 40 a couple of years ago it went from a relaxing activity to a pain in the ass. The coughing fits I have now really suck. Thanks for the info, Ace.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 09:12 PM (BuSM8)

15 >>>Fuck it, Obamacare can buy me a new lung, tobacco is one of my few pleasures.

I wish you'd reconsider. Tobacco isn't your pleasure; specifically your pleasure is the addictive stimulant nicotine.

I'm not saying quit nicotine. That's crazy.

I'm saying quite the smoking. Keep the nicotine.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:12 PM (LCRYB)

16 I am going to go for a walk, if only to the end of the street and back, at least three times a week.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 09:12 PM (Gk3SS)

17 I've quit smoking twice. Started three times. Plan on quitting a third time very soon.

Posted by: slatz at November 07, 2012 09:12 PM (fAVBA)

18 IF I continue with life, I vow to give up politics.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (SKX2R)

19 I'm going to try and cut down on drinking. Or if not, at least not drinking and posting.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (i0App)

20 Long Time smoker here. Yeah yeah I know. Really do appreciate the advice and support. It's time to quit and I know it! Unless I have a few more nites like last nite.

Posted by: PelosiSchmelosi at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (oBrP/)

21 Both my daughter and son in law use e-cigs, they worked really well UNTIL my son in law, while in Afghanistan this past time, was narrowly missed by an incoming rocket attack. Daughter decided, after the frantic phone calls and hours of worry, that she really, really needed the real thing. So, it's back to the drawing board for her. Son in law, oddly enough, never went back to the real stuff, still using the e-cig and HE was the one with a concussion...

Posted by: antisocialist at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (j/nZn)

22 Nora, that's a good one. I'm the same way about the kitchen. I make sure the dishes are put away and pots washed before I head to work. It's nice to come home to a kitchen ready for dinner.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (JLlNK)

23 oh I've got a little hint for you.

You put cinnamon in your coffee? Just a little? It's like doubling the caffeine in the coffee.

A while ago I recommended some bright light thing to wake me up in the mornings. I thought it was really working.

It wasn't.

It was the cinammon I was putting in my coffee.

I had no idea cinnamon had that kind of stimulant kick to it.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (LCRYB)

24 My workplace has banned "e-cigs" from the premises as they are "too close to/related to smoking" which means it must run afoul of our "anti-smoking policy" which is utterly moronic.

Naturally, this is a school.

Posted by: Coldstream at November 07, 2012 09:14 PM (qrCKL)

25 Well, I'm going to have to lose this extra weight now so that the Obamacare doctors don't deem me unfit for life and put me to sleep like a dog. Drag on society and all that. 30 extra pounds makes me a monster, apparently.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 07, 2012 09:14 PM (01otU)

26 Positive life improvement?

Get rid of libtards around you.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 09:14 PM (doBIb)

27 Yes the post election rioting has begun

Posted by: occam at November 07, 2012 09:14 PM (caNKs)

28 >>> am going to go for a walk, if only to the end of the street and back, at least three times a week.

I keep making that vow.

Okay, I'll star that for real.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:14 PM (LCRYB)

29 I already made my life improvement promise last year.

I was always scrawny in high school. It didn't matter how much I ate. I could never gain weight. I was 125 pounds when I graduated. That was 10 years ago.

I was trying on pants in the dressing room at JCPenny thirteen months ago. I don't have a full length mirror at my home, so this was my first time in front of a full length mirror in years. I didn't have a shirt on and was disgusted with myself. I was somewhat flabby. I probably weight 170-175 at the time.

So I took the pants off, folded them, put them back and drove immediately to the gym near my house. I bought a 13 month membership and promised myself I'd work out at least every other day.

That was 13 months ago. I'm now about 158-160 pounds and probably lost 20-30 pounds of fat and put on 10-15 pounds of muscle. I'm not ripped or anything, but I'm.. shaped. I guess that's the best description. I have some muscles in area that used to be flab or non-muscle.

I've never felt better in my life. I sleep better. I've made an effort to eat better. I still obviously eat bad things now and then, but a lot less than I used to. I also cut out things like soda and bread(for the most part).

I'll be quite honest though. I'm not a big fan of working out like so many people I see at the gym. I still see it as a chore, but I've kept my promise and glad I have.

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2012 09:15 PM (xTHBC)

30
I had no idea cinnamon had that kind of stimulant kick to it.





Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (LCRYB)
.....damn, really? Not that I do decaf anyway, but that does explain some things.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 07, 2012 09:15 PM (01otU)

31 Dad quit three-pack-a-day Winston's (tastes good, like a cigarrete should) after visiting a hypnotist. Cold. Turkey.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 07, 2012 09:15 PM (23NGc)

32 >>> I've quit smoking twice. Started three times. Plan on quitting a third time very soon.

Read this:

http://goo.gl/IzLCO

Also, read some of the 945 reviews. I didn't just pick it out of a hat. It's an extremely good book.

It help me quit smoking after I had struggled with it for years. And you know what?

This was by far one of the easiest things I ever did in my life after reading my book. Like trivially easy.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:15 PM (SKX2R)

33 >>>It's time to quit and I know it!

i promise you it won't be that hard.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:15 PM (LCRYB)

34
Just a few weeks ago, my husband and I joined the local gym. We really want to get back into shape. We let ourselves go these last two years. We couldn't muster up the will to go today. I would probably be on the treadmill giving the TV, that was showing CNN, the finger.
Oh and I am drinking more herbal teas to better my health. Damn, I sound like a hippie.

Posted by: FL-Chick at November 07, 2012 09:16 PM (0vN24)

35 I fully endorse e-cigs. Only problem is there's a billion different tank systems to try out

Posted by: kerncon at November 07, 2012 09:16 PM (M+4md)

36 But if I quit smoking, how will I get my 2 hours' worth of parking lot breaks?

Posted by: Secretaries at my Office at November 07, 2012 09:16 PM (9ghZ6)

37 If you quit, do not buy the gum. I started chewing it more than I needed because I only smoked at home, I quit because I couldn't stand the smell in the house and on other people when I was outside.
I was at a hospital for a procedure and my blood pressure was sky high. They wouldn't touch me and made me go to the ER. I had called my doctor and she said not to drive and have it addressed at the ER where I was. I did and was on meds for months. I never had high BP, it was the gum. Stopped it, except for in the morning and I am off meds for high BP.

Posted by: CarolT at November 07, 2012 09:16 PM (z4WKX)

38 "I'm the same way about the kitchen. I make sure the dishes are put away and pots washed before I head to work. It's nice to come home to a kitchen ready for dinner.
Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM"
I really like that idea and glad you suggested it. It would be such a better frame of mind to start dinner earlier if I'm not spending from 6:30 to 7:00 washing up! Thanks, I'm going to incorporate that into my morning routine too.

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 09:16 PM (RGgMp)

39 weighed*

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2012 09:16 PM (xTHBC)

40 Yeah, I decided that my birthday coming up soon would be a good time to lay off of the smokes and booze. I'm tired of being a fat bastard and binge drinking (even booze and diet soda) just keeps the weight packed on. I did drink myself into an oblivion last night but I also finished all of my smokes.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at November 07, 2012 09:17 PM (9SwFX)

41 Always wanted to speak a second language but didn't want it to be Spanish because that felt like caving in to illegals who come here and refuse to learn English. So I picked half of my heritage and chose Italian. Thought it would be simple because lots of the words are similar, but good grief, they use verb tenses and moods that have just about died out in English. Nonetheless, I continue. It's humbling and uplifting at the same time. However, I was once trying to say "I brush my teeth" and ended up saying "I brushed my teeth with the garbage." My teacher got a good laugh out of that.

Posted by: natasha at November 07, 2012 09:17 PM (pyYXJ)

42 Has anyone seen the documentary 'fat, sick, and nearly dead'? Or something like that. The Australian guy who did the juicing for a month and got rid of some rare chronic ailment.

Actually thinking about that shit, even just as a once a month detox sort of thing over a weekend.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 07, 2012 09:17 PM (01otU)

43 Ace, going for a walk is good and by all means, but if you want something that's transforming, try this:

http://www.shovelglove.com/

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:17 PM (SKX2R)

44 am going to go for a walk, if only to the end of the street and back, at least three times a week.



I keep making that vow.



Okay, I'll star that for real.



Well, I'm allowing myself to substitute a half hour of kinect sports for the walk. The good thing is that the street I'm on is kind of busy but there are a ton of people who walk in the evenings and it's well lit so safety issues aren't a huge concern.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 09:17 PM (Gk3SS)

45 Yuck I guess Ireally should quit the wine during the week and get on thetreadmill.. Did a boot camp with abunch of friends last year so suppose I should re-up on that.Iknowthat I should have done these a long time ago but switching out the summer clothes and finding notmuch fitis a bit of a motivator. Plus last night - for some reason I feel a compulsion to improve myself. Not sure what that is all about ....

Posted by: tank at November 07, 2012 09:17 PM (t36TP)

46 Dude, my birthday is on New Years. I can't live every day like that, my blood alcohol level would be measured in exponents.

Posted by: Aaron at November 07, 2012 09:17 PM (Tlix5)

47 >>>Stopped it, except for in the morning and I am off meds for high BP.

Uh, yeah, I should have mentioned that. That is the one major health problem with nicotine. As a stimulant it does that.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:17 PM (LCRYB)

48
Yeah, obamacare isn't buying lungs or knees or anything of the nature to the plebes.

Try 'cold turkey' if you can, it kicks faster if you make it, but damn did I eat alot that first month.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 09:18 PM (PHb2k)

49 I've decided to force the family to go to church on Sunday. We used to go every week, but stopped going a few years ago 'cause my middle son was so adhd it drove us nuts. Now he's 20 years old, and VERY depressed about the election. He volunteered for Romney over the last 4 months and was quite emotionally invested in the election. I feel so bad for him. Right now he's just skulking around the house wearing a coat with the hood up.

The other thing my wife & I decided to do was buy some land up north (in Michigan). We can get 10-20 acres for less than $20k. I'm thinking some semi-wooded land for a retreat, hunting & maybe a small hobby farm. It would be a good place to bail to, if we had to.

Gonna get serious about cutting some weight. I haven't been exercising like I should. Yesterday I "walked the beat" getting out the vote in East Grand Rapids. Walked about 4 miles with 60 house stops over a period of four hours. The exercise felt good. Today I took another four mile hike at a local park.

I have a decent 401(k) from a previous employer that I think I'll talk to the Mutual Fund Store about rolling over. I'm hoping they have some offshore or precious metals options I can take advantage of. Just a hedge.

Gotta admit, I'm really down about the election results. I haven't felt this bad in over 25 years. I pray my fears are unfounded and that times will just be challenging, but not catastrophic. May God grant our leaders (including the President) wisdom.

Lastly, I think I might take up smoking those e-cigs. I don't smoke now, but Ace made a real good sales job.

Posted by: Macaroon at November 07, 2012 09:18 PM (bw8pg)

50 what's your problem, troll?

Mama didn't love you enough?

Not a troll, limp dick. But am getting a bit fed up with the pink pugginess of this site.

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 09:19 PM (nbYoV)

51 Spousal unit and I, two years ago, decided that being 75 plus pounds overweight was shortening the time we'd have available to make each other's lives a living hell...SO, we both had lap band surgery, me in November two years ago and him the following month. I've lost 70 lbs, he's lost about 65. Best decision we've ever made. I can actually shop for clothes now, not just tents with sleeves in 'em.

Posted by: antisocialist at November 07, 2012 09:19 PM (j/nZn)

52 Success story.

I went on a discussion forum to tell stories of my failed career in an entertainment field, and it resulted in a book deal.

When this happened, I reconciled with several people who had haunted me for over twenty years, and I was able to finally release them and me.

My career and health had been ruined by chronic, uncontrollable rage over my situation in life. Once I actually lost everything I ever loved, I was finally able to see what was important and what wasn't and with that came the happiness that had eluded me all my life. Clarity brought happiness.

So even though I'm housebound with an incurable illness, I can honestly say I'm happy. Nothing upsets me anymore. The reason the election shook me up but didn't send me into a paroxysm of rage is because I can see exactly why it happened.

The lesson of my book--and my life--is that much of my angst came from not understanding why things happened and refusing to accept reality. Once I understood, everything fell into place and I saw that things will unfold the way they'll unfold. I can adapt and overcome, or I can let it destroy me.

My book will be published early next year. Since I can't do signings or a tour, it'll be interesting to see how I promote it. I won't do TV interviews as a matter of principle. Last night was the first time I've watched TV in two years. I despise TV.

I sent Ace a link so he can download my book. I hope he does. I think he'll like it.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 09:19 PM (SI/pw)

53 to continue;

To those who wish to stop smoking, here's some tips:

Use the rule of 3's and the AA idea of one day at a time

Rule of 3 for an addiction

After
3 hours you will begin to feel craving. Chew gum, mint have some water. Distraction is important. Don't just sit there. Do something just don't smoke.

3 days Craving will be intense. You will find yourself taking out a cigarette and lighting it UNCONSCIOUSLY! Don't keep cigarettes around. don't go where there are smokers. don't watch smokers smoke.

3 weeks craving will start to taper off and you may (depending on how long you smoked) feel a little freer breathing. Focus on the benefits of not having smoked for this long.

3 years and thereafter. Like alcoholics say, they arer still alcoholics they just don't drink. You will NEVER be an ex smoker. You will always be a smoker who doesn't smoke right now.

I went for 12 years and in a depressed mood said fuck it and gave in to my occasional craving for a cigarette. Got some. Lit up. Didn't hate it, didn't like it. I don't think about smoking as much as I used to as now I know I'm free of the physical addiction. The mental still holds dangers though.

You will ALWAYS want to smoke. Get used to it and ignore the impulses (until you've got a decade in like me then maybe, maybe not)

Also YOU WILL MOST LIKELY START TO EAT MORE AND GAIN WEIGHT!!! this is important.

You are tinkering with you metabolism when you stop smoking. smoking inhibits fat gain somehow. (I don't know how, I just know it does) Also displacement activity to not smoke may lead you to eat more not less or the same. Don't do it. Eating is an impossible habit to cure. Losing weight has been my biggest problem since I quite smoking. Eat a little less of snack foods and don't use food as a displacement activity. exercise, take a walk, play with your kids/pets, read a book, take up a hobby.

Don't tell people you're quitting until you gone past 3 weeks (unless they notice then don't be a dick and deny it) If they smoke they may try to tempt you (they'll say they're teasing but there's also a little jealousy there and they don't want you to succeed where they haven't. (sad to say)

Once your are past 3 weeks it will get easier but never go completely away. I thought about smoking at least once a day for a number of years. Even now I think of it but it doesn't interest me so I don't.

Good luck. Now take a deep breath (if you can) and put that cigarette down.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 09:19 PM (SP4jC)

54 Well, it's not a secret on the ONT, but I've lost about 50 lbs over the course of the year. It has felt pretty good. I still have about 20 lbs to go but I'm optimistic.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 09:19 PM (5p18q)

55 I think there's something right about the Paleo diet, and not just for weight control. Also, I take vitamin D and fish oil supplements, with seemingly good results.

Posted by: GolfBoy at November 07, 2012 09:20 PM (M0ftf)

56
26Positive life improvement?

Get rid of libtards around you.

This sounds like good advice! I have already cancelled for one event this weekend with a bunch of them and decided Thanksgiving at Plimoth Plantation is a better fit for me than family dinner with a bunch of moonbats. Makes me feel better already!!!

Posted by: tank at November 07, 2012 09:20 PM (t36TP)

57 My husband's family has a history of heart problems. His paternal grandfather dropped dead of a heart attack in his 60s and his own father had issues with his heart. So that is always in the back of my mind. Besides, I need someone around to nag.

Posted by: FL-Chick at November 07, 2012 09:20 PM (0vN24)

58 >>>Not a troll, limp dick. But am getting a bit fed up with the pink pugginess of this site.

You're such a man.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:20 PM (LCRYB)

59 Ace - I first heard of e-cigarettes from you. We discussed progress with them handing out leaflets in NY-23 in 2010. I was still tapering off real cigarettes, I think. I tapered for a year. My last one was June 15, 2011. Exclusively e-cigarettes since then, and a couple months ago, I cut the nicotine to zero as well. This happened because of you - I guess I'd have heard of them, but I wouldn't have heard testimony from someone I respect. Just wanted to let your real commenters know, this method works for lurkers.

Posted by: NYARTIST at November 07, 2012 09:20 PM (dcOjY)

60
This post is awesome because is exactly how I feel. I sent an e-mail to my equally conservative sister this morning saying that I was surprisingly very peaceful, more sad then angry and that all I was going to do was work my ass off, and teach my 6 and 8 year old boys to be good men.
I think alot of the peace is that I spent 4 years hoping that everyone would hate this guy as much as I do therefore he wouldn't get reelected. Now, that is not a concern. He has 4 years and he is done, regardless of what people feel about him.
It's family and friend time from here on out.

Posted by: Judd at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (8a51O)

61 I'm thinking: What if we leveraged are skills, individually and as a group, to start changing the narrative?

I can't "be Breitbart", really. Different skill set entirely.

But I could, say, program computer games that featured something other than evil corporations and greedy white guys.

I'm thinking of setting up a social network, too, that's not biased against non-liberals.

Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (Cepxj)

62 I'm going to try and cut down on drinking.

Yeah me too, but not until football season is over.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (5p18q)

63 Here's how you quit smoking:

Posted by: Levi Garrett at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (9ghZ6)

64 As someone who's in the middle of some expensive dental problems (root canals, crowns, etc). I really, really recommend that whole flossing and mouth rinse routine. And never skimp on routine dental visits. And never ignore tooth pain. Turns out that dentists actually know what they are talking about with that whole flossing thing. Who'd a thunk?

Also, don't sip soda and juices during the day. Acid+sugar=bacteria growth=cavities. That's what I did. Sipped 2-3 cokes per day while working. Did that for years. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Would often have an afternoon snack of a bag of Skittles (I'm skinny, but I ate like a fatty). Just thinking about my idiocy now hurts my teeth and wallet.

But I honestly didn't realize that sipping was especially bad. Cause you are constantly refueling the bacteria and keeping your mouth's acidity at an ideal PH level for bacteria growth.

Would've been better if I chugged them rather than slowly sip them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (ZPrif)

65 "I wish you'd reconsider. "

When I hit fifty in a few years, besides I like giving society the finger on it right now. I actually did quit twice, first time for about five years, second time around three. The hard part is the first ten days, after that, not a big deal.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (GZitp)

66 Government approved Ecigs, what could go wrong?


No free lunch, Nancy.

Posted by: nip at November 07, 2012 09:22 PM (11Tdq)

67 Gotta admit, I'm really down about the election
results. I haven't felt this bad in over 25 years. I pray my fears are
unfounded and that times will just be challenging, but not catastrophic.
May God grant our leaders (including the President) wisdom.



Lastly, I think I might take up smoking those e-cigs. I don't smoke now, but Ace made a real good sales job.

Posted by: Macaroon at November 07, 2012 09:18 PM (bw8pg)

Not ashamed to admit that I had a total breakdown in my car at lunch. Sobbed like an infant. I'm a girl so I didn't get any strange looks by passersby, but yeah. I feel the same as I did when I got laid off last month, actually. Only worse, because at least I got a new job (started today - oh joy having to paste on a happy face for that).

Posted by: tdpwells at November 07, 2012 09:22 PM (01otU)

68 I'm still using the Titan Tank model that I bought this time last year. I've replaced atomizers and bought a few more kits when they run a sale, and I rotate through about five of the larger size batteries. The tank system made the difference for me. The earlier model that has the stuffing in it didn't work well enough to get me off real cigarettes.

Here's a link if anyone wants look into it:

http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/

They usually offer sales but this month is 20% off everything on the site with a code you can find on their Twitter account.


Posted by: Retread at November 07, 2012 09:22 PM (zxitI)

69 Llarry, can you send it to me at benaoshq at gmail.com

I think you recommended The Far Arena to me and I enjoyed that thoroughly. I wouldn't mind reading your book as well.

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2012 09:22 PM (xTHBC)

70 I've been thinking about it all last night and today. We dodged a bullet with Romney.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (BAnPT)

71
Thanks for the tip Ace. I started smoking again last year (dumb) and need to quit. Working in a hospital I see the horrible effects of what smoking does to you. What is really weird is seeing respiratory therapists outside smoking. The addiction is strong.
I have a smoke shop near me that carries a whole line of e-cigs. I was flying last year from Denver to SLC and the guy next to me lit one up. Freaked everyone out but the flight attendants let him do it. He let me take a puff and it wasn't bad.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (EAgmr)

72 I also cut off my lefty friends and family. I want nothing more to do with them, except for the occasional holiday dinners. I can't surround myself with moochers. I just can't.

Posted by: FL-Chick at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (0vN24)

73 hey NYARTIST, good to hear from you.

Hey, since you weaned down, want to let me know how much to drop? Do I drop every week? Do I drop in big chunks, or small ones?

What sort of a wean-down schedule should I have in mind? Two months? Three?

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (LCRYB)

74 Best frigging thing Ive read all day. Thanks Ace.

Posted by: DeusExMachina at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (6RTwM)

75 Cigs can be nasty, but I will never give up cigars.....never. You might as well ask me to give up whisky and hookers. Not. Going. To. Happen.

When I die, I expect St. Peter to meet me with Svetlana, a Cohiba and a large Lagavulin, otherwise it ain't heaven.

Also, Fuck socialists.


Posted by: Stevie D at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (6CAiQ)

76 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (ZPrif)

So is the whole straw thing a myth? About stains and acid? I know a girl who drinks her coffee through a straw.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (01otU)

77 I found this at The Rat a week before the election: as she says, it's "surprisingly good" (at least by the standards of free web advice). 21 Quick Tricks to Feel Better Instantly. Try one or two of them and see.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (E3MFP)

78 It was the cinammon I was putting in my coffee.

man I am so trying that tomorrow

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 09:24 PM (5p18q)

79 >>> Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 09:19 PM

Which is great if it works for you.

Or you could read the best-selling book ever on quitting smoking, quit in an afternoon and never crave a cigarette again as I did, and millions of others did, without ever needing or wanting to buy a single aid or prop.

Whichever one prefers.

http://goo.gl/IzLCO

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:25 PM (SKX2R)

80 Recently tried an e-cig for the first time.

They're pretty cool, exactly like Ace described.

I might add that you can buy a cheapo version at Walmart called "Mystic". Its probably "disposable" compared to the $70 version, but it runs only $15 for the kit, and will give you some sense of whether or not this is for you.

Nicotine by itself probably isn't harmless, by the way. It increases blood pressure and probably causes some increase in cardiovascular disease. But vaping this way is far better for you than inhaling smoke, which has all of the above, PLUS a plethora of nasty carcinogens, PLUS irritants that inflame and eventually destroy your lung tissue.


Posted by: Looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:25 PM (+PDlV)

81 Just throw in my two cents-- take up a martial art. Personally I would advocate Judo-- It will toughen you up, physically and mentally, because there is nothing in the world like going toe to toe with someone who wants to throw you on your can. For me, it is also my reason for lifting weights and running-- I reached a point where I realized my level of physical fitness was a hindrance to my judo. If anyone feels the need to get into shape, dieting, exercising alone won't work if you're anything like me. There has to be a reason for getting in shape, and mine is to not be (or become) the one guy in the dojo everybody whoops on.
That said, there are plenty of people much smaller than me who mop the floor with me on a regular basis (women too).
It's a great sport, and it will always keep you humble. Knowing how to fall properly will save you a few broken hips when you get old, too.

The greatest benefit I have thus far reaped from judo is mental: the ability to think, and to act in a relatively clear headed and decisive manner when the adrenaline starts flowing.

As far as self defense goes, there is a saying in judo: Avoid a fight if it is at all possible, even if it means backing down and taking a shot to your ego. If there is absolutely no way to avoid it, then hit them with the biggest weapon known to man: THE GROUND.

Sorry for the wall of text, but I would seriously tell anyone of any age and fitness level to give it a shot.

Posted by: taft at November 07, 2012 09:25 PM (d2FFC)

82 Ben, what is your workout schedule like?

Right now I am at 192 lbs at 5'11", I think I am at an "okay" weight and height but I could do better, especially considering my muscle level is pretty low. What are your lifts like?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 09:25 PM (5p18q)

83 retread,

I used to have the Titan Tank but they didn't have some parts for it. They told me to go with the Eco-C.

One good thing about the Eco-C is that the atomizers themselves are swappable (not just the whole atomizer assembly; the little atomizer comes out from the shell).

So replacing them is cheaper.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:25 PM (LCRYB)

84 I still got like 3 boxes of seegars to get through. No inhaling, those. Plus gotta be polite about it. Its a different trip from cigs.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 07, 2012 09:25 PM (RLTt1)

85 You know what has helped me today?

well first off, cold meds, I still feel like utter garbage

second, listening to sports radio in philly. oh man. I just eat it up! the callers are all so completely depressed about the eagles (and no hockey and the phils being on the downswing)

misery loves company I guess!

I am philosophical today. My BIL (who is an expat) gave us a shout out and reiterated we should consider. Are planning a trip out to Oz to see him, but I don't know if that is a big improvement socialism-wise! he loves it there tho

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (J6kXj)

86 1

Oh yeah, he's not a real man like you, you fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (aSf5o)

87 To be honest, probably the best thing for me is to quit political blogs for a while. It keeps me stirred up and upset.

Not sure I could quit the ONT though. Too much funny.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (01otU)

88
tdpwells....congratulations on the new job. That is definately something to celebrate!

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (EAgmr)

89 I just ordered a kit of vapes. Still can't tall them that, though; sounds to druggy.
I will still smoke my pipe occasionally because I like the taste. Also, pipe-smokers live longer. It's a fact.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (2Oas0)

90 In the last five years I have quit chewing tobacco and smoking (I alternated and sometimes did both at the same time), alcohol, and watching pron.

The pron happened on accident when I spilled some sleepytime tea on my porn laptop. But the rest was all me.

And four years ago I cleaned up my diet. I've been eating paleo ever since and have seen multiple health improvements. I had chronic seasonal allergies that are now gone entirely. I had lifelong insomnia which is also gone. And I haven't had a cold or flu in three years. My body fat dropped from 12% or so to single digits and my performance has improved dramatically.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (J4gw3)

91 18

Try to keep your word.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (aSf5o)

92 "Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM "

A life improvement and money saver - awesome!

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (RGgMp)

93 I'm glad you're quit, ace, but...

Nicotine probably causes cancer. If it was the smoke, then chewing tobacco and snuff wouldn't cause mouth and lip cancers.

I realize giving up nicotine is incredibly hard and know only two smokers who ever successfully quit. And one of those two went back after being off for several years. The other had some kind of expensive treatment involving shots to get off it. (She remains an absolute caffeine fiend--worse one I know.)

Anyway, I don't want to discourage you because this has to be an improvement. I also don't *know* that nicotine causes cancer, but if I wanted to minimize my risk, I'd cut it completely out.

The thread idea is good. I feel like crap whenever I go to get in bed and it's not made from the morning.

Exercise. That's what I'm going to do. And finish this play I've been working on for more than a year.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (WbGW2)

94 yeah, today was a tough day for me.

I snapped off at a student, that was bad. she actually told me she was insulted by what I said. that is bad news right there. but she was trying to argue exam points with me, and man did she pick the wrong day to try that.

ugh.


Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (5p18q)

95 Ace, you're my guilty pleasure. I'm at you site throughout the day and once I get home, I pour myself a scotch and laugh at your posts and the other morons. Having said that; I'm drinking way too much. On top of that, I'm about 30 pounds more than I need to be, that's a product of fantastic Naples Italy food and wine though, lol.

My Vitamix will be kicking into gear starting tomorrow and P90 will be playing on my iPhone at the gym at work. My family deserves it.

Thanks Ace. I've lurked since 2004 or so and post once in awhile, but your site has kept me sane on more than one occasion.

Posted by: mastour at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (Xf0bG)

96
It was the cinammon I was putting in my coffee.

man I am so trying that tomorrow


Already went and got the cinnamon out and put it next to the coffee machine.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (9ghZ6)

97 I quit smoking 4 years ago cold turkey after my wife got pregnant with our first child. It was easier than I thought it would be, but several factors occurred simultaneously that made it easier. I was just tired of smelling like smoke all of the time, Ohio had just banned smoking indoors, it was an exceptionally cold winter, and I hated standing outside freezing just to down a cigarette for 30 seconds, taxes had just been raised on cigarettes, etc. I finished off a pack and just said "I'm done".

Went about 3 years without one, then had a couple one night when hanging out with college friends. That cured me of ever wanting to do it again. Although, I could probably go for an occasional cigar on a cool breezy Fall evening.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (s8XaI)

98 Llarry, can you send it to me at benaoshq at gmail.com

I think you recommended The Far Arena to me and I enjoyed that thoroughly. I wouldn't mind reading your book as well.


Done.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 09:28 PM (SI/pw)

99 Fuck you, software whose link button doesn't do what it pretends to do. Anyone who goes to the therat.blogspot.com and scrolls down to October 30th and clicks on the link for "21 Quick Tricks to Feel Better Instantly" will possibly find it useful. Or you could just Google the phrase.

(Quick trick 22 is to curse energetically someone or something that can't strike back, like stupid fucking software.)

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at November 07, 2012 09:28 PM (E3MFP)

100 You're such a man.

Maybe when you are done stroking your Id you can take a good look around and see how poorly you handled today.

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 09:28 PM (nbYoV)

101 Ace.. thank you!!! I have been using the e-cig more and more and now that I am on my last pack of real smokes I think I can do this. I like to use the flavoring, especially the chocolate!! But whatev.. like you said.. the nice thing is you can use it in a restaurant (I haven't had one person yet say a thing to me while I was using it).. at work etc. I love your description of how to "vape" discreetly. lol.. I learned that trick early on. It's a blessing to have this and since it is only nicotine and not the thousand other chemicals it really is safe or at least safer. My husband went from over 2 packs a day down to just half an pack a day and I hoping he will give it up completely at some point but whatever.. a half pack is way better than 2 packs a day.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 07, 2012 09:28 PM (1hNQS)

102 I am philosophical today. My BIL (who is an expat)
gave us a shout out and reiterated we should consider. Are planning a
trip out to Oz to see him, but I don't know if that is a big improvement
socialism-wise! he loves it there tho



Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (J6kXj)

I have heard that as far as socialism goes, NZ and Oz have the most freedom-friendly versions of it. Whatever that means.

At this point, I just want out of Ohio, but my whole family is here. Tennessee looking pretty good with it's deep rich blood red color.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (01otU)

103 tdpwells, congratulations on gainful employment
hard to come by in this obama economy

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (5p18q)

104 I third the paleo diet recommendation. My husband and I started it in January and together have lost over 100 lbs. and like runninrebel said many health benefits. Heartburn gone. Seasonal allergies gone. Rosacea gone. It works and just makes sense.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (JLlNK)

105 I smoked for 20 some years, tried to quit twice, failed. what I did that worked was get rid of one normal smoking time, then once I got used to that, got rid of another. took about a year, and at the end I was down to one a day at bedtime. buy nicotine gum in bulk on Ebay. I pay about 170 including shipping for 4 months worth. was on 4 mg, now down to 2 mg. havent had a cig since 2005, can be around smokers without wanting one AT ALL. secret is to replace the nicotine, and get rid of the habit of lighting up. It worked for me, lol

Posted by: azjaeger at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (niWgN)

106 Good evening.

I've got your positive life improvement right here, bitches!

130 fucking pounds LOST! GONE, BABY, GONE!!!!!!!!

One hundred thirty muthafuckin' pounds in 13 months. (And the kicker is over one hundred of those since April...BOOYAH!)

I'm still overweight. Not done yet. But gaw'DAMN it feels great. I should have done this years ago. I'm presently at 205.2 pounds. 200 is my big goal but it's not the end, certainly. 185 maybe? Dunno. Will be working at it.

Here's what's worked for me.

Low calorie, low carbs, being careful about fat and keeping up protein. With the right tools such as a kitchen scale and using the calorie tracker on www.livestrong.com I've managed to keep my weight loss consistent and pretty regular. Hell, on a few occasions I managed to exceed my goals. It's not been without challenges but I've powered through them and feel like I'm better for it.

Aerobic exercise. Brisk walks with some running every night. Push-ups, crunches, squats, lunges, whatever else I can do. Bought some light weights. Joined a gym for a little while (but bailed due to an persistent infection in an unfortunate place...and no, not there). I keep at it every day. EVERY DAY! Can't let up. I am resolved to being healthier. I was borderline diabetic before I started. I've managed to avoid that. Now I'm aiming for real physical fitness.

This shit is so doable it's fucking hilariously funny. I look at myself in a mirror and I can't help but laugh my ass off. I'm narrow! That's a change.

I can't encourage people enough. The changes I've gone through have been startling and I swear to GAWD I want to preach this to everyone I see. Put down that soda, toss those energy drinks, lay off the bread and wheat and starches and go out for a fucking walk! Repeat ad nauseum. Yeah, you suffer a little, but the results make it worth your while.

Posted by: Robert at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (LUnTP)

107 Hmm. Giving up politics, but love AOS. Guess I'll stick with the book threads and ONT.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Dad at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (e4gFq)

108 Well, good night friends in a box. Thank you all for your support today. I know we will all get through this and the country will somehow survive, but right now I just feel the same way Jimmy Carter's brother Billy felt when he lost the election for mayor of Plains, GA- when a reporter asked him what he would do next he said:

"I'm going to sit on my front porch and watch the whole place go to Hell".

Also, in the past I have asked for your prayers for my 16 yo niece who was diagnosed with a mass on her brain. She had surgery to have the mass removed and they succesfully got 90% of it out. Mercifully it was not malignant, but she will need radiation treatments to destroy the rest of it.

I hope Obamacare doesn't fuck that up.

Thank you for your prayers.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (n1x7a)

109 In the last five years I have quit chewing tobacco and smoking (I
alternated and sometimes did both at the same time), alcohol, and
watching pron.



Never chewed, I've lost every pack of cigarettes I've bought before I finished it, I don't actually drink that much and there's no way I'm giving up pron (watching not making you perverts).

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (Gk3SS)

110 50
what's your problem, troll?



Mama didn't love you enough?



Not a troll, limp dick. But am getting a bit fed up with the pink pugginess of this site.

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 09:19 PM (nbYoV)

How to influence people and win friends!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (BuSM8)

111 >>> My Vitamix will be kicking into gear starting tomorrow and P90 will be playing on my iPhone at the gym at work. My family deserves it.

good for you.

I wish I had advice about the alcohol bug. I don't know much about it as I really don't drink.

Sunday, before the election, I mused "I need to start drinking more."

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:30 PM (LCRYB)

112 what's your problem, troll?



Mama didn't love you enough?


Maybe she loved him a little TOO MUCH if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 09:30 PM (SP4jC)

113 100

Who are you talking to, you imbecile?

I'm going to assume it's me.


Now, go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:30 PM (aSf5o)

114 If grocery store cinnamon or cinnamon gum (usually not true cinnamon but cassia "cinnamon" from china) gives you mouth sores, peppermint in coffee or gum also tastes great, and has a stimulant effect that boosts alertness.

Posted by: SarahW at November 07, 2012 09:30 PM (LYwCh)

115 88

tdpwells....congratulations on the new job. That is definately something to celebrate!

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (EAgmr)

Thank you. I was lucky and only unemployed for three weeks. Recruiter sought me out so not much legwork on my part.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 07, 2012 09:30 PM (01otU)

116 Robert, I gotta do me some of that.

I keep planning to!

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:31 PM (LCRYB)

117 In the spirit of ace's e-cig recommendation, I am going to masturbate only to soft-core pornography from now on.

Posted by: pbrown at November 07, 2012 09:31 PM (idRzK)

118 61



I'm thinking of setting up a social network, too, that's not biased against non-liberals.


Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (Cepxj)

I'd love to see a techie site like Slashdot that isn't bursting at the seams with rat-bastard commies.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (9SwFX)

119 Quitting smoking is one of the easiest things in the world to do if you know how.

This book isn't just any book. It's the best-selling book ever on the subject.

You're all making this harder than it needs to be. You can quit smoking instantly without hypnosis, lasers, lotions or potions, and never crave smoking again as long as you understand why you smoke.

You don't. You think you do, but you don't. You will tell me I'm wrong, and tell yourself all of the reasons, or the reason, you smoke. It's all bullshit.

If you read this book, it will tell you why and what you gain from smoking, and for many people, yours truly included, the desire to smoke just vanishes.

http://goo.gl/IzLCO

But if you can't be bothered to try the easiest and cheapest possible path to quit smoking, by all means the try the harder, difficult, long ones that require you to spend money to big companies for the rest of your life.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (SKX2R)

120 Don't buy from Totally Wicked until you check their twitter account for the discount code.

http://tinyurl.com/am6wnb5

I'm using the Tornado now as well. Highly recommend it.

Posted by: CDR M at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (dKV5k)

121 If you're still a smoker: Dude, you must stop. Come on. It's not a sign of rebellion. It's kind of a sign that you don't like your life very much and don't think much about shortening it.
-----

Disclaimer: YOU SHOULD STOP SMOKING.

That said, it's funny you write this b/c last night Mr Y-not and I were having anxiety attacks about the election and didn't know what to do. There are not a lot of options in Orem/Provo Utah at night for blowing off steam and we didn't want to risk a bar that might have a TV with the returns on, so... we went to Walmart.

Bought the oddest assortment of shit and as we were checking out I was staring at the cigarette display case and so tempted to buy some.

Many moons ago when I was in college and for a while after that while I was in grad school and postdoc'ing I was social smoker. Really would only smoke when hanging with other smokers and mostly smoked clove cigarettes. Probably a lifetime accumulation of 5 or 6 packs, if I had to guess. I never got to it being a habit, let alone an addiction. And it was relaxing.

But, yeah, don't smoke.


My positive life improvement goal... immediate goal is to take care of my husband who was devastated in 2008 and is taking this very hard. Longer term, I'd like to do more active hobbies. Maybe something involving our dog (soon to be two doggehs).

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (5H6zj)

122 You can vape in bed

Is that legitimate vape? Sorry.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (6JMZR)

123 Quitting is pretty easy

Yeah, maybe so, but what about the fapping? I notice you haven't mentioned anything about fapping.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (+Ro8O)

124 >>Nicotine probably causes cancer. If it was the smoke, then chewing tobacco and snuff wouldn't cause mouth and lip cancers.

Nicotine isn't harmless, but in this case the culprit is probably other chemical agents in the tobacco leaves.

Also, alcohol and tobacco work synergistically to increase cancer risk. Most of the ones who get oral cancers with snuff/dip also drink.

>>I realize giving up nicotine is incredibly hard and know only two smokers who ever successfully quit.

I know many people who successfully quit. That is to say, people who used to smoke a pack a day or more and don't smoke any cigarettes any more. Which isn't to say that they never ever crave a cigarette or are 100% sure of never smoking one again, but they don't smoke them.

In fact, I think statistically there are more Americans who have quit smoking than active smokers.

Posted by: Looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (+PDlV)

125 Funny you should mention Breitbart. I'd been thinking about getting into a regular workout habit, but hadn't moved past the thinking stage. The day he died, I finally pinned a calendar to my wall and started doing a basic work out every day. Sometimes it was only 10 minutes of pushups and crunches, just a little something. Can't say that I kept it up every day, but I work out much more than I used to.

Posted by: snowboundghost at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (7ARKL)

126 I will continue my Saturday Obamaclypse drill of walking 10 miles, trotting 2, then putting 8 in the 150 yard target, dropping the rifle and running the 100 yards and emptying the revolver into the target from 50. Well trying to get it into the target from 50 anyway.

Posted by: that guy at November 07, 2012 09:33 PM (QupBk)

127 Ace - you have no idea how much good your writing does. Thanks for keeping going. Regarding tapering off, I figured it was like going up a certain height. The faster I did it, the tougher it would be - so I made it a loooooooong ramp: reduced by 1 or 2 cigarettes per day every 2-3 weeks. Basically whenever I felt ready. I noticed when I was smoking and targeted specific cigarettes: this morning walk, this work break, and so on. I started at 22/day, so it took me ages. But it worked.

Posted by: NYARTIST at November 07, 2012 09:33 PM (dcOjY)

128 Robert, how many push ups can you do in a typical session?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 09:33 PM (5p18q)

129 Not a smoker but I loves my vino!

Sooo, in order to countermand the calories I started swimming at the local high school pool (bad knee, can't run). Started off slow, but now do a mile four times a week. Try it!

Ace, read you a lot, seldom post, but have to echo another in this thread: Thank you for today's posts. It really helped.

Now, where is my corkscrew? (Yes, I'm a chick).

Posted by: exliberal at November 07, 2012 09:33 PM (leIQP)

130 in the spirit of ace's e-cig recommendation, I am going to masturbate only to soft-core pornography from now on.


Posted by: pbrown at November 07, 2012 09:31 PM


Break out the triplex for holidays So much better that way

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 07, 2012 09:33 PM (BAnPT)

131 >>>I third the paleo diet recommendation. My husband and I started it in January and together have lost over 100 lbs. and like runninrebel said many health benefits. Heartburn gone. Seasonal allergies gone. Rosacea gone. It works and just makes sense.

hey I've been recommending this for years and years!

well, the atkins version. I should look into what "paleo" is. I assume it's about the same deal.

I used to have heartburn and reflux every night. Then I went on atkins. Pretty much gone.*

* well, except if I break diet and eat something heavy like peanut butter before bed.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:33 PM (LCRYB)

132 I personally don't see anything wrong with smoking. I don't smoke, although I have a couple times formed a habit. In the end, lung-power overcame the buzz.
I am still looking for this among my books, but a kid writing a book as an adult describes his grandpa's method for making chew. I LOVE homemade, so this might be worth trying. He grew his leaf, and I'm not the tobacco guy enough (like AlGore) to tell you what leaf it was (but gardeners will tell you tobacco isn't as easy as, say, nasturtiums). When it was harvested and dried-down, his grandpa took a fresh maple bolt and drilled a big, deep hole in it. He carved a plunger, and filled the hole with tobacco leaf and-- get this-- maple syrup. (This was in, I think, Vermont.) He pounded it firmly, and when it was filled, plugged it with a carved plug. After a sufficient interval had passed (and I regret to say I don't recall how long an interval), his grandpa split the maple bolt, and withdrew the cured plug of chew.
Notice that he probably wouldn't even have to pay any tax at all except on the auger and the axe even today. Well, yeah, property taxes on the land, but he lives there, right?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 09:33 PM (1V6Pv)

133
Uh Oh....I hope my comment on the Thanksgiving thread didn't bring this on!! However I do understand how deadly cig's are. I have fought my battles and will continue to for years I am sure. I was on a roll until this morning, I',m blaming on it Obama.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 07, 2012 09:34 PM (OCkzq)

134
hmmm,
e-joints.....?
THC gum....?
Colorado..... Washington.... hello!

Posted by: drowningpuppies at November 07, 2012 09:34 PM (012vu)

135 Chantix - blocks the nic fix.

Posted by: Rmoney Voter at November 07, 2012 09:34 PM (JtyGg)

136 Chantix - blocks the nic fix.

And the dreams are vivid.

Posted by: that guy at November 07, 2012 09:34 PM (QupBk)

137 I quit smoking about 30 years ago. Went from a pack a day to nothing a day instantly. The first week was difficult. Morning coffee and after dinner were the worst times. Then it was OK.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 07, 2012 09:35 PM (+Ro8O)

138 I think I must be the only guy in the world for which the Atkins diet didn't work. ugh.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 09:35 PM (5p18q)

139 Nicotine is actually a deadly poison. A serial killer named Michael Swango used it to poison people when he worked as a doctor. A lethal dose will cause cardiac arrest.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 09:36 PM (BuSM8)

140 All I saw is that ace eats charbroiled ass.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 09:36 PM (eo/+2)

141 Ace, that light thing DOESN'T work? I was thinking about getting one.

Posted by: Lilikoi at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (q81CK)

142 Hell, I burned through a brand new atomiser last night.

Posted by: CDR M at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (dKV5k)

143 just reading some of the comments.. I walk every day warm or cold (just not in the rain). I walk about a mile and a half. It's stimulating especially these cold fall mornings. Plus I like peeking in people windows as I walk by. What? Is that wrong?

Posted by: jewells45 at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (1hNQS)

144 And the dreams are vivid.

Speaking of which, heard in college that LSD is a useful aid to quitting.

Posted by: Rmoney Voter at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (JtyGg)

145 >>>Maybe when you are done stroking your Id you can take a good look around and see how poorly you handled today.

How would a real man like yourself have handled today?

Lotta rah-rah? Lotta "Let's go get 'em, tigers!!!"?

I may be crazy but my thoughts are thus:

We have been living in an increasingly pressurized world for months now. Our anxiety was through the roof. Then we suffered an enormous setback which is, for many (including me), actually heartbreaking.

So my idea is that we get our mental attitudes together and take a bit of a breather.

So tell me how a real man, a real fire-breathing warrior such as yourself, would have handled a crushing defeat?


Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (LCRYB)

146 Thanks Ace. Scotch, Scotch, Scotch. There isn't enough in the world, lol. I come from a long line of alcoholics so I have to watch the drinking. It's not an issue, just something that I'm conscious of and probably need to check. Maybe pick up the masturbation a bit and lay off the drink; well see.

As far as P90 goes; it works. Did it while I was in Bahrain for four months; dropped about 30 pounds and went from a 38 to 33 waist. So I have no excuse other than lack of motivation to get my fat ass in the gym. That changes tomorrow.

Again, can't thank you enough for the work you for us morons.

Posted by: mastour at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (Xf0bG)

147 A word of warning to you Vapers.....Nicotine is incredibly toxic, and the e-cig liquids are often highly concentrated. Be careful when mixing, and recharging your e-cig filters. Wear gloves....cut the liquid with plain Glycerin, (if while puffing away you taste something sweet, it means not all the liquid is being vaporized, and you're probably taking in too much nicotine). Don't try to get a last puff or two from a nearly dead battery.

Most disposable e-cigs claim you can 'smoke' them as many as ten times...don't believe it. Two or three times is more the norm. It's much cheaper to invest in a rechargeable system. If while puffing away you feel dizzy, tightness in your chest, numb fingers and/or toes, stop puffing.


The scariest thing...it's still better for you than smoking real cigarettes.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (L7hol)

148 If you're still a smoker: Dude, you must stop. Come on. It's not a sign of rebellion. It's kind of a sign that you don't like your life very much and don't think much about shortening it.

Nanny blog. Great ...

You can make this same argument about a whole host of things people enjoy doing. Don't worry, Barky and the HHS Sec will be doing that soon and announcing who will and who won't receive medical care because of it - in addition to being severely penalized taxed to pay for the extra procedures that they will be denied.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (X3lox)

149 Ace@23.....cinnamon is also really good for your heart!
On the positive front...life is very short indeed. Way too short to suffer fools and emotional bloodsuckers. I cut the biggest two out of my life a couple of months ago and, voila!, huge sense of relief.

Posted by: Christmasghost at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (CkK+I)

150 Here's what's worked for me.



Low calorie, low carbs, being careful about fat and keeping up protein.


Because of Meniere's disease I had to give up all food with a label, all restaurant food, all fast food, chocolate, artificial sweeteners, caffeine, alcohol, MSG, and I'm restricted to less than 2000 mg of sodium a day. I also have to do thirty minutes of aerobics a day and lift weights.

In a year I lost 80 pounds. Today, at fifty, I weigh 170 (I'm six feet tall) and my doctor says that except for my incurable illness, I'm his healthiest patient.

The disease usually goes into spontaneous remission, but even if it does I'll never go back to the way I ate before. I actually have a six-pack for the first time in my life.

From catastrophic loss sprang a new beginning and dramatic improvement.

I am--in microcosm--a potential representation of what can happen to our country.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (SI/pw)

151 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking cigarettes.

Posted by: Steve McCroskey at November 07, 2012 09:38 PM (bm6ls)

152 Support groups are good. Click link (goes to "Freedom 25" blog). h/t Foseti.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 07, 2012 09:38 PM (QTHTd)

153 Still got nothing.

Posted by: grease monkey at November 07, 2012 09:38 PM (VSWPU)

154 >>> Yeah, maybe so, but what about the fapping? I notice you haven't mentioned anything about fapping

http://goo.gl/JBbVs

>>> I used to have heartburn and reflux every night. Then I went on atkins. Pretty much gone.

Exactly.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:38 PM (SKX2R)

155 But if I quit smoking, how will I get my 2 hours' worth of parking lot breaks?Posted by: Secretaries at my Office Same thing at my work. There is a group in the morning that stand around for the first hour talking about how hard they work and they are not appreciated, blah, blah. Then they go out and smoke and bullshit for another 20 minutes. Throughout the rest of the day every time I go outside to travel to another building they are all out there smoking and talking about how hard they work.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 09:38 PM (EAgmr)

156 #131

Yeah, Atkins, Paleo, (South Beach, etc), these are more or less the same.
All these things basically restrict carbohydrates.
The main differences are how extreme the restriction is (ie can you have ANY?), and what the emphasis is on what you replace them with.


Posted by: Looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:39 PM (+PDlV)

157 Hey Ace,
I'm sitting here watching The Walking Dead on the DVR and just want to say that I lurk 99.9% of the time and post the other remaining .1%, over the last several years. Just wanted to thank you for your blog. I love reading it, refer friends to it, and it's comforting to be able to turn to it today. Just want to say Thanks.

Posted by: rightwingva at November 07, 2012 09:39 PM (OJ/tZ)

158 My mother and uncle were smokers. My mom quit in her 40s after 20 years of smoking. But she gained weight afterwards for the first time in her life (she was always so tiny) and that really got her down. I think she still smoked occasionally in the car. She died of cancer in her early 50s.

Her younger brother was an even bigger smoker. He got a huge cancerous growth on his face which he survived with chemo and radiation. But then a few years later heart disease got him. He was in his 50s.

Smoking is really, really bad for you. Of my older relatives pretty much all the smokers are dead now.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 09:39 PM (ZPrif)

159 I still see it as a chore, but I've kept my promise and glad I have.
Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2012 09:15 PM (

Ben - Bought a recumbent exercise bike on the anniversary of my dad's death. Was using it every day until a month ago, when I decided staying up late and getting on websites to be informed and to inform about the election was the most important thing.
So getting up a 515 to exercise before the rest of the house stopped happening.

I am going to bed now and getting up in the morning.
I don't know what kind of country we will have, but I want to dance at my daughter's wedding in about 15 years.

Ace - thanks for the past 6 weeks. And thanks for the perspective today.

God bless you all and may god bless the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!

Posted by: RkinRoanoke at November 07, 2012 09:39 PM (pxur/)

160 I started with Atkins. When I describe what I do I now call it paleo because people don't have misconceptions about it like they do Atkins. So I can share what works without them prejudging. But it's basically the same thing, but paleo focuses more on unprocessed foods where Atkins allows them.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 09:39 PM (JLlNK)

161 >>>ce, that light thing DOESN'T work? I was thinking about getting one.

Ehhh... it kind of works but it's one of those things where I think it's Placebo Factor. I don't really know.

I know other people think it works. Improves moods (especially during sun-poor winters).

I wouldn't say it doesn't work, but it turns out the crazy energy I was feeling was from... cinammon. Which seriously packs a punch.

I would try it... but. I don't know what it actually delivers.

Taking a walk in the morning while looking off-center towards the sun would probably have a better effect.

That and Vitamin D.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:39 PM (LCRYB)

162 I went and did almost 4 hours of aerobic exercise. It helped. Suggest others find an exercise they like and give it a try. Endorphins. Mmmm.

Posted by: dogfish at November 07, 2012 09:40 PM (N2yhW)

163 Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop drinking.

Posted by: Steve McCroskey at November 07, 2012 09:40 PM (bm6ls)

164 Take five DEEP breaths an hour. Not to much to ask.

Do this while your stretching and triple the effects.


BREITBART LIVES!!!

Posted by: mare at November 07, 2012 09:40 PM (A98Xu)

165 I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a drunk...I can quit the beer and wine when the chips are down, but I don't want to...I love Guinness and Thick, Chewy Cabernets...I used to love Single Malt...actually, I still do, but after a four year Single Malt binge financed by Chase Visa, I can't afford it anymore. Anyway...I retired after 21 years in the Air Force...in the last four years, I spent a good year and a half in Iraq. When I was there, obviously I couldn't partake in the sweetness of Alcohol. I substituted it with push-ups, and thousands of miles on a recumbent bike. I lost a combined 100 lbs on those three deployments, looked and felt years younger, and had a rod forged of tungsten steel...unfortunately, as I tell others, I didn't quit drinking alcohol, the Air Force quit serving. I've gained 30lbs since I retired three years ago. Now that the Big O has won another four years, I am resolved to chisel my body into a living, breathing hard steel Gerber...I'm using this defeat as justification to quit the booze, and thus quit contributing to his economy...and I'm going tee-total on 1 January...I'd start sooner, but wifey's big half century is coming up, as are Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years...regardless, nobody gives a shit. I want to encourage everyone to get fit, get off the booze grid, and get yourself in shape for the fight that lies ahead...from a drunk, overweight middle age guy who may find himself picking cotton before 2016...

Posted by: CODefender at November 07, 2012 09:40 PM (9Hs9T)

166 My first good job was at UPS when I was 21 years old. I was a clerk, but had more responsibility than any 2 other clerks combined. One of the others asked me one night, how did you get them to give you so many projects, and I told her:

Find something that someone else doesn't want to do, and offer to do it for them. It may be boring, but you'll learn from doing it, you'll gain an ally, and you'll show them you're eager to grow/learn/advance. Do it a few times, and with a genuine interest in doing the work, and it will put you on the radar.

Before long they will know they can trust you with the big projects and big projects will get you face time with the big guy.

There.

That's my little piece of advice for the yungins.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 09:41 PM (piMMO)

167 148

No. It's completely different.



(And vices are probably not a good idea.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:41 PM (aSf5o)

168 Paleo is simple to start:

Don'ts: grains, legumes, sugar, vegetable oil, dairy, processed foods.

Do's: pastured animals, wild caught fish, vegetables, fruits, tubers.

It's partly an elimination diet and partly about food quality.

Try it and see how you feel. You can add back some dairy if you handle casein and lactose okay. Adjust carbs to your needs and activity level. But overall it's agnostic as to macronutrient ratios.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 09:41 PM (J4gw3)

169 Oh I also gave up coffee entirely. I had to though. I was getting awful headaches around 1-2 pm every work day.

I tried cutting out a lot of things. The headaches only went away when I gave up coffee.

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2012 09:41 PM (xTHBC)

170 In the past 10 years I've given up Smoking and Drinking. I have been eating better and I avoid sweets. I guess I could improve on exercise, cardio will be important in the coming conflagration, and work on my groupings out past 100 yards. Perhaps invest more in precious metals gold, silver, brass and lead.

Posted by: RikDergis at November 07, 2012 09:42 PM (hfABO)

171 Sorry Ace, I've been lurking here for almost a decade. It feels like a sort of home. But no more. I will no longer invest myself so heavily into politics. I'm going to live as ignorantly as the rest of the country from now on.

Posted by: Alan at November 07, 2012 09:42 PM (Pkd3R)

172 Ace, unfortunately, your post was so thoughtful, you hijacked your own thread. We might need a separate one tomorrow for us to share our personal improvement goals. I have some borne of the past 24 hours.

Now, though, damn you, I want an e-cig. And I don't even smoke.

Posted by: Travis at November 07, 2012 09:42 PM (9WkMB)

173 Here's a hint, Ace. Few people give up vices. Instead, they trade vices. If your lucky, you trade a certifiable vice for a compulsive behavior that's actually healthy. Example: trade nicotine for endorphins.

Posted by: USA at November 07, 2012 09:42 PM (RIg+t)

174 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.

Posted by: Steve McCroskey at November 07, 2012 09:42 PM (bm6ls)

175 One good thing about the Eco-C is that the atomizers themselves are
swappable (not just the whole atomizer assembly; the little atomizer
comes out from the shell).


Thanks, Ace, I'll go have a look at them. I'm so pleased that I could give up the real ciggies that I've been reluctant to switch from what I know works but I do wish the Titan Tank batteries lasted longer before needing to be re-charged. Sounds like the Eco-C does that.

Anyway I'm a bit surprised to realize it's been a year already.

Posted by: Retread at November 07, 2012 09:43 PM (zxitI)

176 I normally ignore trolls (or at least for 9 years or so did), but the last day or so forgot that. One in particular reminds me of a person who is very snide and nasty oh so superior and hates me because I stopped him from molesting a relative when I was also a child. Maybe that is why he irks me so much. I will try to pray for all of said people. It really does help with resentments, and has given me much joy, even through tremendous suffering. I just forget to do it often, either because I m feeling good, or feeling bad.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 09:43 PM (opS9C)

177 I'm wondering if those e-cig flavors have a chemical taste. I'd hate to try something like cherry and have it be a really overpowering chemical aftertaste.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 09:43 PM (BuSM8)

178
The new Tobacco smoke tax will be best way one can quit. It will be under the carbon tax regulations by the EPA. You have to pay 10% the cost of a pack to offset the carbon smoke it puts out.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 07, 2012 09:44 PM (Ea64Y)

179 Dammit Ace, the ONT??? We were closing in on Ette pudding pictures.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 09:44 PM (GEICT)

180 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Posted by: Steve McCroskey at November 07, 2012 09:44 PM (bm6ls)

181 >>>Nanny blog. Great ...

Advice is now an impingement on your sovereignty?

All right, I'll give you alternate advice: Keep on smoking and keep pretending it's not really bad for you, and it's NOT causing that hacking you do so frequently that you barely even notice you're doing it.

Whatever.

Is it now "liberal" to point out that smoking's bad for people?


Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:44 PM (LCRYB)

182 118 - I'll see if I can manage that. I'm playing with format ideas at the moment. Something encapsulates twitter/chat/blog/formats.

Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2012 09:44 PM (Cepxj)

183 I quit cold turkey on Jan 7 2012. It was brutal for about the first month and gradually got better the longer I went without. I now don't miss it at all and the smell of it makes me sick. I do need to lost about 50 pounds. I'll start trying to do that after Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 09:44 PM (jucos)

184 OH!

And I forgot to add.

I told them not to ask for more money for doing it. Any raise you might get means far less than A. the experience and B. The face time

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 09:44 PM (piMMO)

185 I am recommitted to quitting the smokes.

I have the ecig ace recommends, and it's a good one.

I'm an idiot. I focused on losing weight again first. The truth is you have to focus on all these things.

*kicks my crack pipe under the bench*

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 07, 2012 09:45 PM (pUqSw)

186 171

I had the same thought after 2008. You'll probably regret it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:45 PM (aSf5o)

187 Re: cinammon

It's about the only scientifically validated supplement that's quite effective for blood sugar control.

In a sufficient dose, it's about as effective as metformin, the classic oral diabetes drug.

Since you had insulin-metabolism issues before, as shown by your health improving when on a low-carb diet, your extra energy was probably the result of cinnamon's improving your blood-sugar control.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:45 PM (SKX2R)

188 >>>I do wish the Titan Tank batteries lasted longer before needing to be re-charged. Sounds like the Eco-C does that.

nah they're the same batteries. They're interchangeable.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:45 PM (LCRYB)

189 I made this "new years resolution" last night, Ace.

Well.. it was more early morning as the alcohol started wearing off.. but anyway..

I'm done worrying about politics. It makes you frickin' mental. I didn't even watch the news tonight when I came home.

Tomorrow I start a new weight loss regime.. nothing fancy.. eat less and try to exercise more. Already started the eating less today.. burning calories with knees that burn with each step ain't easy.. but I'm gonna push it.

My daughter is 37.. a smoker as is her hubby (both libs, so we don't talk politics much). I am going to make it my mission to get her to quit smoking.. maybe I will send her your post about the e-cigs.

good luck, Ace, and to all y'all morons.. we'll make ourselves stronger for the next fight in 4 years.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 07, 2012 09:45 PM (UTq/I)

190 Mare. You're right that deep breaths really work. Simple but effective. And I just got off the couch to stretch. My necks sore from hunching over my laptop.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 09:46 PM (JLlNK)

191 Isn't there some pill that's work well at helping you stop smoking?

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2012 09:46 PM (4cRnj)

192 But no more. I will no longer invest myself so heavily into politics.

Alan, I am doing the same thing (altho here I am! stages!) - just listening to stupid sports talk instead of a political channel was really a nice change.

I will read my Barrons and whatnot and try to weather the financial aspect . . and always have my eye out for what's down the road . . . but really, I'm beyond sick of politicians and politics and parties and whatnot

but not you guys! you guys rock!

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 07, 2012 09:46 PM (J6kXj)

193 141 Ace, that light thing DOESN'T work? I was thinking about getting one.
---
I think they *do* work, but you need to use them in a very specific way. Talk with a shrink or physician.

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2012 09:46 PM (5H6zj)

194 I needed to lose my baby weight because the "baby" was five years old. So, I vowed to run a marathon with a girlfriend of mine after a couple of beers. I ran the Marine Corps Marathon in 2010 and a few half marathons after that. Over the course of my husband's deployment, I have managed to pack back on almost all of the weight I lost. I'm going to run another marathon in the spring and drop the weight again.

Posted by: no good deed at November 07, 2012 09:46 PM (mjR67)

195 If it ain't the cancer that motivates you, think about all that tax money you will deny Obama stash.

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 07, 2012 09:47 PM (3jgI1)

196
Meth Mints.....
Crack lozenges.....

Posted by: ghetto entrepenuer at November 07, 2012 09:47 PM (012vu)

197 I gotta do me some of that.

I keep planning to!
Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:31 PM (LCRYB)

One step at a time.

how about getting in the habit of tracking your calories, for instance? Maybe join livestrong.com, download their app to your smart phone. Buy a cheap kitchen scale and weigh everything you cook. Use the one with the other. It's what I do. Record *everything*. Then from their you can figure out what to do.

Oh, if you eat out a lot? Stop. My brother moved to San Antonio and would up gaining a ton of weight cause now he eats out all the time (though his job keeps him super busy). For the first time in our lives he weighs more than me.

Oh, and drinking? It doesn't help. Water, unsweetened iced tea and coffee are my personal best friends. Love those little Mio water flavoring thingies (or at least the cheaper generic ones). Had a glass of wine last night and...well, lets say it didn't help. Was nice! But it didn't help. No wine tonight or for a whie.

Anyway...

Gotta get gone.

Thanks for this post, Ace. Really. Concentrating on the positive things in life helps. Especially now, cause right now I'm in a bad way (and I don't mean just the election). I'm in dire need of uplift and this has really helped me. Thank you.

Posted by: Robert at November 07, 2012 09:47 PM (LUnTP)

198 What? Is that wrong?
Posted by: jewells45 at November 07, 2012 09:37 PM (1hNQS)

Depends on what's going on inside and how long you look.


Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 09:47 PM (SP4jC)

199 Oh FWIW, I started Atkins/low carb about 18 months ago.

My lipids were too high, and my doctor said I needed to lose weight since my BMI was borderline high. I tried Atkins sort of as a last resort to avoid having to go on cholesterol lowering drugs.

So I cut out all carbs, and ate mostly meat and vegetables. Ridiculous amounts of meat, frankly. Had bacon and sausage for breakfast every morning with fruit and coffee. Chicken for lunch. Steak for dinner, etc.

After 6 months, I lost nearly 15 lbs, and it was totally effortless. Never felt hungry, didn't exercise (at all). Went from 184 (high) to 169 lbs (low) and I've maintained 172 +/- 1 pound for the last 12 months.

Went back to see my doctor. My cholesterol had dropped by 20 points, my hemoglobin A1c went from borderline diabetic to normal, my triglycerides from sky-high to normal.

My doctor was so alarmed by my weight loss, she was worried I had cancer, and asked me if I had intentionally lost weight. I told her, "Don't you remember, you TOLD ME to lose weight". Apparently she tells all her patients that, but I was the first one to actually do it!

Anyway, it seems to have worked fairly well for me.

Posted by: Looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:47 PM (+PDlV)

200 174
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.

Posted by: Steve McCroskey at November 07, 2012 09:42 PM (bm6ls)

It's good to see the humor coming back...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 09:48 PM (BuSM8)

201
runninrebel @ 168:

Do's: pastured animals, wild caught fish, vegetables, fruits, tubers.

I tried that, but the cats didn't like the pasture, and kept jumping over the fence.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 07, 2012 09:48 PM (L7hol)

202 Well now Obama can smoke in the open and put out his cigarettes out the carpet of the Oval Office when he fights neo-colonialism.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 07, 2012 09:48 PM (Ea64Y)

203 >>>I'm an idiot. I focused on losing weight again first. The truth is you have to focus on all these things.

that's the thing... if you do it all at once it's all self-reinforcing.

the 4 Hour Body suggests it's as simple as keeping a diary. His theory is that the simple act of getting into the habit of thinking about it, recording successes and failures, naturally directs the mind to success.

Like, walk a mile, record it in the diary. That sort of thing. Record each cigarette.

BTW, I haven't done this. It seems to be a reasonable theory, though. All bad habits persist because we successfully block ourselves from thinking about them.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:48 PM (LCRYB)

204 189

TV is one of the worse vices. Better (and easier) to go without.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:49 PM (aSf5o)

205 Whether paleo is "low carb" or not is debated. One school of thought has it that cavemen would not have had access to carbs for much of the year.

It's definitely low-density calorie food, though. I've been doing it for a couple of months, and have eaten more squash and sweet potatoes than in my whole life.

I've lost about 5-6% body fat which isn't bad, though I'm impatient.

Before paleo, I did a lower-carb diet. Not low carb, just lower-carb. That worked.

Before that, I counted calories. That also worked.

One thing about paleo is that it actually has altered my tastes. You always hear that, but I've never experienced it till now. Most SAD (standard American diet) foods don't appeal to me at this point.

Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2012 09:49 PM (Cepxj)

206 My goals for the next year. I've been slacking off this year, especially physically. I want to change that, and develop my interests. Additionally, a lot of the activities are things that I've dabbled in and enjoyed the company that they bring. Now more than ever I need to improve my social life.

Fitness:
My goal is to get back into shape after spending almost a year slacking off. Goal is to get down to a seven minute mile, a 6 second 40 yard dash, and 20 pull ups from a dead hang.

Physical:
Regularly attend the weekly longsword study group here in town.
1 hour a week of dance lessons, with a focus on waltz and tango.
Riding lessons next spring. At least six.
Learn to play tennis.

Mental:
Take a Calc 3 course.
Take a Japanese course to refresh my language skills.
Work through the electronics textbook that I have sitting on my toilet.

Craft/Hobby:
This is kind of political, but I have ideas for a couple of commercials relating to social issues that I want to write and film.
Learn to paint/draw
Write the first draft of the fantasy novel that I have already outlined.

Financial (in this order):
Pay off the last of my loan
Pay off my credit card
Pay off as much of my car loan as I can.


Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 09:49 PM (HwgHt)

207 Ace...You are definitely a BRIGHT spot and this site has been a refuge (and a source of much needed humor) for thousands of us. We don't thank you (or your co-bloggers) enough SO THANK YOU.

Posted by: Winston at November 07, 2012 09:49 PM (iKxnK)

208 Lifesmanship has made the difference for me.

Posted by: slatz - Lifesmanship Institute week 3 at November 07, 2012 09:49 PM (fAVBA)

209
I lost 50 lbs earlier this year by doing one simple thing......not eating after 5pm. If I got really hungry I would drink water and/or eat an apple. It was hard the first week but then it became easier. Occassionaly I will if out to dinner with friends but that isn't often.
Walking helps mentally and physically.
I round up the hound and he benefits as well as he's pretty chunky. Members of my family won't stop feeding him people food. He was farting so bad one night I told my son about it the next morning. My genius son says "Oh, it must have been that bean burrito I gave him". Brilliant.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 09:49 PM (EAgmr)

210 Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop fucking my cat.

Posted by: Harry Plinkett at November 07, 2012 09:49 PM (LCRYB)

211 I tried e-cigs last year and it didn't take. And the vapor was harsh.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 07, 2012 09:50 PM (rqlRk)

212 I'll stop procrastinating.... tomorrow...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 09:50 PM (lZBBB)

213 When feeling blue, remember this:

http://tinyurl.com/bd6vbdo

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 09:51 PM (piMMO)

214 Love this thread! Talked to my Mom last night re: the results and she was really down, me too, but the one thing I told her I wouldn't let them win the psych war and be depressed, I will NOT give the libs that type of power over me. Called her again tonight and she's in a much better frame of mind and says she's going to be happy just to spite them

I'm going to order the e-cig tomorrow, maybe convince my smoking buddy at work to do the same - thanks for the tip Ace!

Posted by: SJR2 at November 07, 2012 09:51 PM (oCbCP)

215 I'll stop procrastinating.... tomorrow...


****

I've been thinking about starting some sort of optimists club online but I don't think anyone would join.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 09:51 PM (piMMO)

216 @41 Natasha -
I studied Spanish a few years ago for shits and giggles, and I always thought it was cool that Donald Rumsfeld is fluent in something like 5 languages. I also assumed that Italian and Spanish were similar enough that I could pick up Italian fairly easily.
My girlfried andI were in Italy a few years ago and my camera broke. I didn't want to drop $ on a new camera, so I was looking for a camera repair shop. I ended up asking for help froman older Italian man who didn't speak a word of English. Thinking that I could morph my Spanish into Italian, I said in a really panicked tone while pointat the camera that Iwas holdingclose tomy waist, "Il roto! Necessito camera!!!" I was not having any luck.
Afterwards another gentlemansaid to me, "you know he thinks you just told him'its broken! I need a bedroom!' while pointing at your crotch."

Posted by: Trojan at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (MNVwR)

217 #181

Its not "liberal" to point out that smoking is bad for you, its merely paternalistic.

Dude. ..everyone knows smoking is bad for you. Its written on the box in gigantic bold face. That's why its banned everywhere. Ask any 5 year old child, and they'll tell you smoking is bad for you. Kids who don't even know what "cancer" is, know that smoking causes it.

Public surveys from the 1960s indicated that at that time (ie pre Surgeon General's warning) everyone already knew that smoking was bad for you.

So, not, you really don't have to point this out, I don't think.

Advice about E-cigarettes is good though. They definitely are a reasonable "harm reduction" technology, that's cost effective, and even now, I think a lot of smokers don't know about them.




Posted by: Looking closely at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (+PDlV)

218 The tornado batteries last almost all day. Unless you cape heavily but I always carry a spare.

Posted by: CDR M at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (dKV5k)

219 Giving up law full time to concentrate on practicing guitar keys, and writing music and lyrics. Have written lyrics to 3 english country dances or waltzes, and am working on 2 more.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (dZ756)

220 I dip Copenhagen but I think it`ll be ok because it`s really difficult to keep it lit.

Posted by: firecaptain at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (L8Qa7)

221 the 4 Hour Body suggests it's as simple as keeping a diary. His theory
is that the simple act of getting into the habit of thinking about it,
recording successes and failures, naturally directs the mind to success.
Posted by: Ace


This is so true. I use an online calorie and exercise counter to help keep the weight down. It is the sole fact of keeping up with it that really helps and motivates.

Posted by: dogfish at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (N2yhW)

222 So tell me how a real man, a real fire-breathing warrior such as yourself, would have handled a crushing defeat?

To butt in, I'm an expert at handling crushing defeats. I've failed at everything I've ever done.

The key to overcoming heartbreak is acceptance. At least, that's what's worked for me.

In 2007 I was told by my eye doctor that my optic nerves were swollen. When I asked what that meant, he hesitated and then said, "Well, it could be a brain tumor or the first signs of multiple sclerosis."

I won't reveal what it was. But both of those were my greatest fears. After we made an appointment with a specialist, I went and sat in my car and thought about it, and after about twenty minutes I thought, "Why not me? What makes me so special? People get terminal diagnoses every day."

I realized I had a lot of company, and that comforted me. I recalled a poem called "A Litany in Time of Plague," written in 1592 by Thomas Nashe.

Adieu, farewell earths blisse,
This world uncertaine is:
Fond are lifes lustful joyes,
Death proves them all but toyes.
None from his darts can flye:
I am sick, I must dye.
Lord, have mercy on us!


I didn't ask for mercy but for strength to endure, and I was able to.

There was never any fear. Knowing that I had a billion or more kin who had already or would soon share my plight gave me comfort.

Nobody is alone.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (SI/pw)

223 "Always wanted to speak a second language"

I took some JC classes in the evening and learned some Japanese. It's like a language from another planet, totally different for European languages. Certainly does stimulate the brain, and it's got geek appeal.

Besides, it's fun to kick the teenage kids' asses on an exam when you're in your 50s.

Posted by: Socratease at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (7E/6G)

224 Ace, I've been smoking since I was about 18. Quit once about 10 years ago and was off the damn things for about 1 year. Then went on vacation and got bored as Hell and started again. I'm 59 now and I know I need to quit. But, I tried one of those e-cigs about a year ago. Bought all the stuff, which was expensive, and tried using the damn thing and it would only last about 2 puffs and then quit working. Maybe I just got a cheap one.

Anyway, I'm going to try your brand. Hopefully, it works better than the one I bought.

BTW, thanks for the upbeat posts today. It's been a damn hard day.

Posted by: Not an Artist at November 07, 2012 09:53 PM (uRumV)

225 >>>ce...You are definitely a BRIGHT spot and this site has been a refuge (and a source of much needed humor) for thousands of us. We don't thank you (or your co-bloggers) enough SO THANK YOU.

no problem.

And I'm not a naturally "Hey Guys Let's Get Happy" person so I'm glad I can do this.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:53 PM (LCRYB)

226 Ace sez:
>> tastes like a charbroiled ass

*cracks a small moist stiffy*

Posted by: Gerbil Malodor, Esq. at November 07, 2012 09:53 PM (T5dvf)

227 >>> It's definitely low-density calorie food, though.

No, not necessarily. It's often high-fat.

You can't maintain low-carb and low-fat long term. You can neither live in a permanent calorie deficit nor process enough protein to maintain your weight without either carbohydrates or fats. If you tried, you'd get sick.
http://goo.gl/bav2Z

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:53 PM (SKX2R)

228 nice post ace. Now I am going to have a smoke.

Posted by: garrett at November 07, 2012 09:53 PM (hcLAE)

229 Breitbart really was transformative, wasn't he?

Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2012 09:54 PM (Cepxj)

230 >>Ben, what is your workout schedule like?

>>>Right now I am at 192
lbs at 5'11", I think I am at an "okay" weight and height but I could do
better, especially considering my muscle level is pretty low. What are
your lifts like?

Chemjeff, I try to work out at the gym after work 5 days a week.

I started doing all the machine weights, but am trying to move over to some free weights.

Normally I go in and do all the machine weights for legs(there are five I think). I then do the machine weight for arms, back and midsection. I finish with some free weights. Simply stuff like curls, shoulders and the like. I do three reps of 12 for each. I can do this in 45-60 minutes.

I'm able to list twice as much weight as when I started. I don't jog or have any aerobic exercises yet. I need to start doing that. Although I do walk my dog about 1.5 miles a day, so I guess that counts for something.


Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2012 09:54 PM (xTHBC)

231 >>>>One thing about paleo is that it actually has altered my tastes.


That's totally true. A few months in I lost what you could call cravings. One year in and junk food started to look, smell, and taste gross. And sometime in year three I started having a taste for organ meats and fermented foods. I was always healthy but I would have vomited at the the site of lamb's brains, pheasant livers, and Korean fermented sand crabs.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 09:54 PM (J4gw3)

232 @138 You're an organic chemist, right? Close? Barry Sears is a lipid chemist with double-digit patents. He's also the main popularizer of the current best understanding of human nutrition. Look him up, try to avoid the frankly commercial aspects (he has a couple of brands to push now), maybe balance his insights against "The Okinawa Program", and see what you come up with. Since this sort of thing began to revolutionize nutrition (the nutrition NaZis will still enforce the "a calorie is a calorie is a calorie" B.S., but we now know differently) there are improved versions to adopt. "The Four Hour Body" is definitely cutting edge, and you may enjoy the zany, edgy, Gonzo style of the irrepressible author. Key points: (1) Food is a drug that regulates production of major hormones. (2) Major hormones are themselves somewhat under the control of uber-hormones called eicosanoids. (3) These important uber-hormones can be influenced by diet. And (4) your grandma was probably right when she said to eat your vegetables and that fish is brain food.
Exercise has a similar revolution underway. Yup, it comes down to hormones, too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/mps52

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 09:54 PM (1V6Pv)

233 I'm taking up magic.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2012 09:54 PM (4cRnj)

234 I smoke a cigar about once a week. That stays.

I have an open invitation to any and all hot Japanese babes needing comfort. That stays, too.

I'll cut back on sweets. Maybe.

Posted by: eman at November 07, 2012 09:54 PM (3zTWA)

235 I took some JC classes in the evening and learned some Japanese. It's
like a language from another planet, totally different for European
languages.



You know why Japanese is the language of heaven? It takes forever to learn.


Okay, as part of my life improvement goals of trying to sleep better, I'm for bed. Thanks for helping remind me that there really is more to life than I usually think.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 09:55 PM (Gk3SS)

236 I quit today! ( for the third time). The patch makes it *much* easier.

Figured I can't run and hide for the law if I'm hacking. Seriously, it will be imperative for each person to be in the best physical shape possible for many reasons, Obamacare being primary among them.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 07, 2012 09:55 PM (Su0W2)

237 Ace, I have had two cigarettes in my life.

One was in high school. I hated it.

One was after a magical night in Rio with a girl I was considering having an adulterous affair with. (I ultimately did not, but it was fun to consider it and the smoke was divine.)

After reading that screed though, I think I might go out and buy a pack.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at November 07, 2012 09:55 PM (7x9pP)

238 Besides, it's fun to kick the teenage kids' asses on an exam when you're in your 50s.
Posted by: Socratease at November 07, 2012 09:52 PM (7E/6G)

I'm fairly fluent in Japanese and took Chinese for fun as well.

Wish I had time/means to use it though...

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 07, 2012 09:56 PM (fCMdQ)

239 I bought "Get Organized the Easy Way" one time, but I lost it.

Posted by: Scobface at November 07, 2012 09:56 PM (IoNBC)

240 Jcw46.. shit I am a decorating junkie. I am just looking to see how peoples homes are decorated. I walk by this one house that really stands out because it's a bit away from the rest of the homes here, it's much older and was probably here long before they ever thought about this sub-division. I think it's just an old woman who lives there but every morning when I walk by her door is open and sometimes I will see her with her walker outside trying to retrieve the paper that the lazy paper person threw on her sidewalk instead of her steps. So now I stop every morning and take it up into the yard so she doesn't have to walk as far. Haven't got the nerve up yet to take it right up to the porch. I'm afraid she may have a gun!

Posted by: jewells45 at November 07, 2012 09:56 PM (1hNQS)

241 Re: CINNAMON

"You put cinnamon in your coffee? Just a little? It's like doubling the caffeine in the coffee."

What is "just a little"?

A teaspoon?

Half a teaspoon?

A sprinkle?

Not pulling your leg. This is a serious question.

I've always been a black coffee guy... don't like adding flavor bells and whistles.

Posted by: napoleon in rags at November 07, 2012 09:56 PM (9196u)

242 I grow weary of being the adult in this nation.

Posted by: Filly at November 07, 2012 09:56 PM (lgXUp)

243 I've been doing a ketogenic diet for a few months now; I've lost 30 pounds so far.

It's not quite the same restrictions as paleo, but the carb count is low (which is good for my Type 2 diabetes). Lots of eggs, bacon, chicken, beef, etc. Not a lot of dairy, but I don't sweat it. I can't remember when I last ate potatoes. The low-carb recipe plan from eMeals helps keep things from getting dull.

On the flip side, I've started drinking coffee in the morning after 46 years on this earth. I'm going to try adding the cinnamon (which is also supposed to help regulate glucose levels!).

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 07, 2012 09:56 PM (5J54Q)

244 217

No. It's not paternalistic.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:56 PM (aSf5o)

245 The best thing I've found to stop smoking is a raging case of oh-dear-God please-just-take-me-now because-my-lungs-can't possibly-scratch-out-one more-cough-after-4-days of-this bronchitis. Haven't smoked in over 17 years because of it.

(And who knew the HQ wouldn't let me hyphenate the whole thing?)

Posted by: slug at November 07, 2012 09:57 PM (vVv3V)

246 @213,
Niedermayer's Dead Horse:

Every time I see or hear this swollen sickly hominid, I realize what a charmed life I have led.

Posted by: Gerbil Malodor, Esq. at November 07, 2012 09:57 PM (T5dvf)

247 I quit smoking, cold turkey, 3 years ago today. Did not want to pay Obama's tax on cigs and wanted to beat him...I think he still smokes!! Found web site

Whyquit.com

Founder is amazing, non smoker, who has compiled info on smokers' habits for years...and site offers great support. I am 66 years old, a great smoker...Non smoker for 3 years!

Posted by: Skeet Fischer at November 07, 2012 09:57 PM (ARmV+)

248 >>>A sprinkle?

Like a double sprinkle works for me.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:57 PM (LCRYB)

249 I got one of these tank type vapes back in August. I'm down to 3 or fewer hits on the vape a day.

In July, I was averaging 2.5-3 packs of non-filtered a day. Near two full cartons a week. Even at the rez smoke shop, that was $100 a week. (got Totally Wicked 36mg liquid to start, but 24 works fine)

I probably spent $20-$30 in the last month on this, tops (Dutch Apple Pie flavor is so good). Shit works. You do it right, and you'll never feel like crap. You'll just end up doing less nicotine.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2012 09:58 PM (jZn+7)

250 I tried e-cigs last year and it didn't take. And the vapor was harsh.

When I smoked real cigarettes I never smoked menthols, except for the occasional OP, but the e-cig kit I bought included menthol and its all I vape now. The flavored liquids don't do a thing for me, much to my disappointment as I wanted to like them. I'm down to the 8 mg nicotine now and plan to go to zero soon.

Posted by: Retread at November 07, 2012 09:58 PM (zxitI)

251 Never smoked in my life, but I've chewed Red Man on and off since high school. I kicked it during the year we were in Canada, because it was usually stale and 10 bucks a pouch. Since getting back, the tabaccy siren call lured me back, but then I switched to snus (General, the real Swedish stuff, not the American crap), which allegedly isn't as unhealthy. One interesting thing, since switching to snus, is no acid reflux. I think that was helped by getting back to my post-college weight of 180 in the past 6 months.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 09:59 PM (96M6e)

252 A song for firecaptain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XAsSHfrW3I&feature=related

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2012 09:59 PM (5H6zj)

253 "243 I'm going to try adding the cinnamon (which is also supposed to help regulate glucose levels!)."

-------------------------

Captain Whitebread indeed.

Posted by: slug at November 07, 2012 10:00 PM (vVv3V)

254 I'm also thinking of taking up puppetry, I hear it's the wave of the future.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2012 10:00 PM (4cRnj)

255 Retread... I didn't know you could even get menthol.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 07, 2012 10:00 PM (1hNQS)

256 Did someone say Ace is laying off porn? Did I read that?

Posted by: Benson at November 07, 2012 10:01 PM (qzcNU)

257 >>>Like a double sprinkle works for me.

Thanks.

Posted by: napoleon in rags at November 07, 2012 10:01 PM (9196u)

258 >>>So, not, you really don't have to point this out, I don't think.

eh... I don't think there's harm in it. And if you noticed, some smokers are animated to try quitting.

Is that not a benefit?

If they quit smoking and their lungs begin healing, who will say I did wrong?

Adam Carrola was talking about this. There are some people who take advice or suggestions (even generally offered) as a kind of You Think You're Better Than Me? challenge, and those who like it.

I kind of like it. I'm looking at people's suggestions.

I like hearing "I tried this, it didn't work" or better yet "I tried this, it worked."

If PrimordialOrderedPair wants to keep smoking, he may do so.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 10:01 PM (LCRYB)

259
When you are in for your gall bladder surgery have the surgeon inform you that there is a shadow on your lung. Guaranteed to make you swear off cigarettes.

4 years ago now, almost.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 07, 2012 10:01 PM (l3vZN)

260 231 -- Runninrebel,

Organ meats? Wow, I'm not sure whether to look forward to that or not! I guess they're good for you, though the liver in particular is a trashcan.

I feel lucky reading some of this stuff. My cravings stopped after the first 3-4 days. I think it was day 4, I dreamt of pizza.

Cool thing is, the other day, I had a slice. It was fine. I didn't get the urge to gorge on it. Just had a slice.

Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (Cepxj)

261 The benefits of cinnamon is overstated, folks, per the Mayo Clinic and The ADA:

http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/ask-the-expert/
ask-the-dietitian/archives/can-cinnamon-help-lower-blood.html

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (5H6zj)

262 Do they have something like Mary Jane in e-smoke/

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (R8hU8)

263 @238 "You speak Japanese very well (for a hairy gaijin)."

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (1V6Pv)

264 254

I'm thinking of learning how to read a teleprompter and get the Media to suck my cock.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (aSf5o)

265 I would rather read about a 220v human/wind/solar generator to power my well in the event that Obama crashes the electrical grid into the ditch along with the financial markets.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (PiTBB)

266 We quit in January. No nic replacement.

I chewed some gum occasionally when I had 'thoughts.' And I smoked a piece of a cigar late one night when I was drinking and kind of crave-y.

But nothing since like February or March. That was it. We decided, and we did it.

I have also gone about 85% paleo diet since then. Hubby, no. But he is eating less wheat than he used to, just because I don't cook meals containing it.

Next: Alcohol. Exercise.

I like the idea of journaling it to make it real. That's a good tip.

Posted by: lauraw at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (yGblt)

267 If you're still a smoker: Dude, you must stop. Come on. It's not a sign of rebellion. It's kind of a sign that you don't like your life very much and don't think much about shortening it.


What's your point?


we say "vape"


This alone makes me not want to join your smug shitty little club. You must be as insufferable as cyclists.

Anyway, good advice.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (I2LwF)

268 Kalo Apogeyma!

Well folks, in the spirit of vowing to improve myself as a person, today I will begin to teach myself the Greek Language.

Might as well, since apparently I live there now.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (f/0ub)

269 Ace, you are soo right. My dad was going to the 1936 Olympics till his dad died.

He had the mile record in the Southern Conference for 20 years. No one could get him to stop smoking, he died at 61.

Smoking not be good, but if you want to do it, have at it. Saves us on medicare.



Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:03 PM (wR+pz)

270 222 So tell me how a real man, a real fire-breathing warrior such as yourself, would have handled a crushing defeat?

I know a little about crushing defeats. I buried my son before he was old enough to throw a baseball. Life is the journey. Embrace it. For however long it lasts. It is an amazing gift. Even when it sucks.

Posted by: USA at November 07, 2012 10:03 PM (RIg+t)

271 Oh, so my advice to improve your life?

In order to make your car look like a taxi from a distance, tape an empty Cheerios box to the roof.

That's all I got.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2012 10:04 PM (I2LwF)

272 jewells45, it's pre-mixed so I don't do the conentrate that has to be cut with glycerin. I buy 20 ml bottles of Titan/Tornado fluid when they don't have the Patriot Range pre-mixed so I get to skip Ace's mix and shake step.

Posted by: Retread at November 07, 2012 10:04 PM (zxitI)

273 Perhaps we might learn Nate Silver's skill with polls...

...since he was the only one right.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2012 10:04 PM (CKz6N)

274 222 Llarry. Good points. When I've gone through difficult times I've sometimes thought of the untold and unknown others who have walked the same path and made it through. It's comforting to know its possible and that i wasn't alone.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 10:05 PM (JLlNK)

275 28
>>> am going to go for a walk, if only to the end of the street and back, at least three times a week.



I keep making that vow.



Okay, I'll star that for real.





Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:14 PM (LCRYB)

Get thee a wee doggy....

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:05 PM (nuLjn)

276 My mom quit smoking taking some pill and using the patch, I think I'll try that.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2012 10:06 PM (4cRnj)

277 273
Perhaps we might learn Nate Silver's skill with polls...

...since he was the only one right.



Man that burned.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:06 PM (wR+pz)

278 Damn. I think I will do it. Politics has me up to 2-1/2 packs a day recently, and now, well.... The afterglow of a lost election. Freakin stinks.... And so does cigarette smoke. The inside of my car DOES smell like dead, smoked monkey ass, now hat you mention it. Not to mention the extra tax dollars to the man. My one concern, I smoke menthol. And while I smoke LOTS of them, they are pretty light smokes. But damn it all, I am going to do it if I can find something that tastes close to what I smoke now. I mean hell, why I am I letting these piece of shit politicians cause me to shorten my time with the grand kids? Answer me that Obi-wan.

Posted by: Tsquare at November 07, 2012 10:06 PM (B4Yvn)

279 If you load that puppy up with moonshine, you can blow fire rings, little brother. Chicks dig that shit.

Posted by: Thor, God of Awesome at November 07, 2012 10:06 PM (Xa1VJ)

280 Whyquit.com

I quit 3 years ago. Cold turkey. Did not wbefore(ant to pay his tax!
I believe be still smokes. I am 66, and was a good smoker!

Posted by: Skeet Fischer at November 07, 2012 10:06 PM (ARmV+)

281 >>Get thee a wee doggy....

Having a dog is a really good way to make you focus on real life.

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2012 10:06 PM (5H6zj)

282 So tell me how a real man, a real fire-breathing warrior such as yourself, would have handled a crushing defeat?

Crushing defeat is the best way to learn. You acknowledge your mistakes, pick yourself up and try again - and hopefully avoid some of the same mistakes you made last time.

That's how real life works.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at November 07, 2012 10:06 PM (f/0ub)

283 273

Meh.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:06 PM (aSf5o)

284 Ace, I also wanted to chime in to thank you so much for what you do-I lurk compulsively, post very rarely and this place has been a bastion of sanity up here in Fauxcohontasland.

Was up most of the night, brutal day at work and a meltdown in my car after clearing off the snow (!) in the parking lot. So, we soldier on.

And all day I felt deflated, and knew the time had come to redirect all this energy into taking care of myself and quitting smoking, getting my ass back to the gym, getting out of this cocoon, etc. Life is short.

So thanks for all of the tips, everyone-I resolve to put them to use and will advise.

And thanks for the blog, Ace. I'd be lost without it.

Posted by: goldilocks at November 07, 2012 10:07 PM (OETVg)

285 282

That's good.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:07 PM (aSf5o)

286 Thanks, Y-not. That guy was great, RIP. I figure if I smoke and lose lung function it would be too debilitating. If I get mouth cancer and they have to cut my lips off I should still be able to breath through the hole.

Posted by: firecaptain at November 07, 2012 10:08 PM (L8Qa7)

287 I was reading the blog. This guy Allen G does he have a blog too?


Nah, not a chance.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:08 PM (wR+pz)

288 My dad stopped smoking cigarettes around 1970 by starting in on a pipe stuffed with Carter Hall. He turned 70 last week and the doctor said he's perfectly healthy so my official advice is to smoke something else.

Posted by: slug at November 07, 2012 10:08 PM (vVv3V)

289 They used to have these little candy cigs when I was a kid. Puff, puff, eat.....

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 10:08 PM (BVkEs)

290 >>>Organ meats?

Yeah. It's one of those things that comes along with really incorporating paleo or evolutionary health (or however you wish to think about it) as a lifestyle framework.

There are modern examples of pre-agricultural people who fight over the organs of a kill and give the muscle tissue to the dogs. Organs are the source of vitamins and minerals that you can't get anywhere else.

But it really takes some effort. I started by hiding it in ground meat, making pates, and making wurstz.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 10:09 PM (J4gw3)

291 RE: CINAMMON

>>> Not pulling your leg. This is a serious question.

The dose most often used in studied which show a therapeutic effect is equal to about 3 g of raw cinammon a day.

The studies most often use "Cinnulin PF", a standardized extract.

http://www.cinnulin.com/

Unless you like putting it in your coffee, which is fine, just taking these supplements is economical, and provides all the benefits.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 10:09 PM (SKX2R)

292 "You know why Japanese is the language of heaven? It takes forever to learn. "

Hmmm, never heard it called that. Three semesters of night classes, a little over a year, and I was at intermediate level. Aside from the written part (kanji is a PITA) it's really no harder than English, just totally different so you can't use any similarities to build on. The hardest part is finding a good teacher.

Posted by: Socratease at November 07, 2012 10:10 PM (7E/6G)

293 I've got a good job lead, so hopefully I will soon accomplish being employed. If I do get the job I've decided I'm putting every spare penny I can into a gun fund.

Posted by: Adam at November 07, 2012 10:10 PM (jOByT)

294 Oh and I should mention that I had a stark bit of motivation to not smoke cross my path today: a lady in line at the grocery store was obviously a mouth cancer survivor. Poor woman.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 07, 2012 10:10 PM (Su0W2)

295 I quite smoking the last time few years go. Have felt lousy in the lungs ever since. My stupid foreign doc says nothing wrong, but I am winded easily (though have muscle wasting which prob makes me tired too). I honestly don't know if I feel better. I smell better, I guess, and have few hundred dollars more month. I suppose having AIDS for more than half my life probably means that even quitting smoking I wouldn't feel robust One good thing though, after I quit, my mom did year later. She did it just cold turkey, as I did. She doesn't feel better either, but that's probably cause they still give her BP meds when she doesn't need them anymore. (Why do so many docs seem subpar?)

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:10 PM (opS9C)

296 Y-not, a wee doggy is also a way to ensure you take a good 30 minute walk every day. I work at home, and jakehound will drive me NUTS if she hasn't gotten her tour of the neighborhood. I also use it as my Good Samaritan duty to bring a plastic grocery bag and pick up trash.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (96M6e)

297 God bless you, Ace. I truly, honestly don't know what I would do without you. Soon as I pay off the AmEx Romney hits (which I do not for a second regret), I'm hittin' that tip jar HARD. xoxo, buddy . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (kpCLl)

298 I gained a whole lot of weight when i quit smoking that I can't seem to get rid of. I thought about going the e-cig route (could take or leave the nicotine - it's the mechanics of smoking that kept my hands/mouth busy), but I'm not sure what part of a cigarette increases risk of blood clots (of which I've had 2 already). Does anyone know if it's the nicotine in them or something else that causes them?

Posted by: simple nobody at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (M/qnF)

299 I read my husband part of one of the Psalms before I give back his iPhone and he reads his book and goes to sleep.

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (RGgMp)

300 Self-improvement? Making a habit out of music practice, and learning a skilled trade. I was thinking framing carpentry or electrical, but apparently blacksmithing is something of a hit with the laydeez...

Posted by: The Mad Analyst at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (SnibU)

301 P.S. It ain't the nicotine, it's the tar.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (kpCLl)

302 Here's my tip: If you're a middle age guy looking to get in shape, toss the weights and the elliptical. Buy a medicine ball and do an intense, 20 minute non-stop circuit of solo exercises four times a week.

It will build cardio, stamina AND functional strength like you wouldn't believe with low risk of injury.

Supplement with some aerobic type activity (biking) and mix in some yoga and light weight training to keep things fresh.
There are good solo medicine ball

workouts on YouTube. Start with an 8-10lb ball. When you get in good shape, buy a 15lb one.

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (HzhBE)

303 @227

Sam you are full of shit. Your body, if you are a high protein diet, will adjust and actually turn some of the proteins into carbs

You are not a dr, you are not a dietitian, you are a fucking troll, go away.





Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (wR+pz)

304 300

There's got to be a reason why there are (or were) so many people called Smith walking around.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:14 PM (aSf5o)

305 My dad's third stroke, and the fact that he walked away from it, motivated him to quit smoking. He had to stop doing all the things that made him crave a smoke. So, he quit sitting on the back porch, drinking caffeine, and drinking alcohol along with quitting the cigarettes. He hasn't had any of it for three years now.

Posted by: no good deed at November 07, 2012 10:14 PM (mjR67)

306
Yeah, I was gunna quit smoking. But I listened to Ace decided to vote for Romney, anyway.
Really feelin' good about that.

Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 10:14 PM (bDsH2)

307 After reading these posts i can't decide whether to buy shares in companies making Zoloft and other anti-depressants or in funeral parlors, cause you lot are either going to be taking A-Ds by the handfull or topping yourselves.

Posted by: john at November 07, 2012 10:15 PM (XbuAg)

308 If someone has a suggestion for a gassy dog, I'm all ears.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:15 PM (opS9C)

309 If I can quit a 15 year can-a-day smokeless tobacco habit (one pinch= the nicotine of 16 cigarettes), then you smokers can quit for sure.

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 10:15 PM (HzhBE)

310 >>>I quite smoking the last time few years go. Have felt lousy in the lungs ever since. My stupid foreign doc says nothing wrong, but I am winded easily (though have muscle wasting which prob makes me tired too). I honestly don't know if I feel better. I smell better, I guess, and have few hundred dollars more month.

this happens. I think it's partly a function of expecting to suddenly have much better lung capacity and then not getting it.

it's also partly because you've conditioned your lungs to expect a specific experience every 15 minutes and now they're not getting that so they feel "off."

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 10:15 PM (LCRYB)

311 296
Y-not, a wee doggy is also a way to ensure you take a good 30 minute
walk every day. I work at home, and jakehound will drive me NUTS if she
hasn't gotten her tour of the neighborhood. I also use it as my Good
Samaritan duty to bring a plastic grocery bag and pick up trash.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:11 PM (96M6e)

That's not being a good Samaritan...that's being responsible. Occasionally I'll be picking up the poo from my bully-dog and I'll get a 'thank you' from someone I didn't know was watching. Stepping in dog poo is vile.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:16 PM (nuLjn)

312 I was gonna quit smoking, but then I got high.....

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 10:16 PM (BVkEs)

313 Self-improvement? Making a habit out of music practice, and learning a
skilled trade. I was thinking framing carpentry or electrical, but
apparently blacksmithing is something of a hit with the laydeez...


Uh-oh, Tammy incoming...

I do need to start practicing the violin again.

Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 10:16 PM (HwgHt)

314 thanks, peaches!

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 10:16 PM (LCRYB)

315 #302, Biking is also good for your core muscles. Be wary though that it does use different muscles than walking and running. If you bike a lot without other use of your legs (walking, running, stairs, squats, etc.) it might get to the point of feeling a bit odd walking long distances from muscle imbalance.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at November 07, 2012 10:16 PM (KCvsd)

316 Lastly, I think I might take up smoking those e-cigs. I don't smoke now, but Ace made a real good sales job.
Posted by: Macaroon at November 07, 2012 09:18 PM (bw8pg)

Actually, I've been considering it as well even though I've never smoked. The flavors sound cool and the low level of nicotine in the cheap ones sounds just about perfect.

Posted by: Polliwogette, teahada hobbbit who wants some R & R at November 07, 2012 10:16 PM (NYki8)

317 How would a real man like yourself have handled today?

Lotta rah-rah? Lotta "Let's go get 'em, tigers!!!"?

I may be crazy but my thoughts are thus:

We have been living in an increasingly pressurized world for months now. Our anxiety was through the roof. Then we suffered an enormous setback which is, for many (including me), actually heartbreaking.

So my idea is that we get our mental attitudes together and take a bit of a breather.

So tell me how a real man, a real fire-breathing warrior such as yourself, would have handled a crushing defeat?

Would have? I guess no one could possibly understand your shoes. It must be a unique situation. Quit reinforcing the idea that you are a self indulgent punk.

Oh, I guess you cant.

Good for you. You quit smoking. Now go find solace and protection in your herd.

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 10:16 PM (nbYoV)

318 I read here EVERY SINGLE DAY but rarely post but this thread hit a spot for me. I was a 2 pack a dayer for 25 years, I stopped smoking in Aug of this year by switching to an e-cig. I have not felt this good in years and actually prefer an e-cig over a real one. Unfortunately tho, with living thru Sandy (I`m out on LI)and with all the election crap looming, I had slipped and bought a pack of Reds...which led to another, and another until I was saying to myself this morning on my incredibly depressed ride to work that I needed to stop the BS and ditch this last 1/2 pack of smokes and get back to vaping full time, this thread put it all into perspective,Thanks Ace. Loves me some Alien Visions Blend4 FTW!

Posted by: heh at November 07, 2012 10:17 PM (SsGhW)

319
If someone has a suggestion for a gassy dog, I'm all ears.
Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:15 PM (opS9C)


Flambe?

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 07, 2012 10:17 PM (l3vZN)

320 Quit smoking. Started when I was 15. Turn 50 on the 20th. Have not had a cigarette since April 1st. Had a buddy bet/buy/give me a $650.00 custom pump paintball gun under the condition that I not smoke and if I do, I have to give it back. Honor system. I have been using an eCig since April 1st. (Allowed) Will never go back. Finally got that monkey off of my back.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 10:18 PM (d0Dmj)

321 I'm a young one (21) who has been smoking for a little over two years now. I've thought about quitting before, but I foolishly keep putting it off since I'm young and figure I won't have to worry about the health consequences for a while. I tried to quit once and went about a week before hanging out with a friend who smokes. I asked to borrow "just one." Yeah, right.

Another self-improvement thing I've been thinking about is my college education. I'm still nowhere near graduation due to my own laziness, but I've been seriously thinking about whether it's worth it to keep going. I've been a music and a journalism major, but I know both degrees are worthless and quit. I'm not mathematically inclined, so I have no idea what kind of degree I can get (especially in this economy considering the reelection of Barry) and am thinking about dropping out of school altogether.

Any morons with some career advice?

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 10:18 PM (8LCi0)

322 I took up running (well, jogging, i guess) in March or April of this year, and it sucked royally for quite some time. I ran in the mornings. Some days, i would stay in bed for an extra hour or more because i didn't want to go. Now, though, i actually enjoy running when i can set my own pace (i applied to the FBI in August, and have been working to increase my times for the fitness test. I have not particularly enjoyed those runs).

When i first started, i would run for two minutes, then walk for two minutes, to get a total workout (walk + run) of at least fifteen minutes, at least three times a week. After two weeks, it was run two minutes, walk one minute. Two more weeks, run three minutes, walk one. After about the five/one mark, i bumped it up to ten/two/ten, and then just running the whole way. I regularly do three miles now, and feel good doing it. I was never an athletic kid, and i hated running, but you can honestly learn to enjoy it.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 10:18 PM (8Mgrk)

323 It is so horrible. It just started a several months ago. Nothing funny with her diet. Perhaps it is her age. I hope she doesn't hurt.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:18 PM (opS9C)

324 306

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:18 PM (aSf5o)

325 307

Or neither.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:19 PM (aSf5o)

326 The straw – albeit a particularly dense one – that truly broke the camel’s back for me however, was Bloomberg editor Josh Tyrangiel tweeting that same day, presumably to ramp up sales of this particular issue that, “Our cover story this week may generate controversy, but only among the stupid.” This is not language becoming of the editor of a major mainstream news publication and solidifies my opinion that BBW is an outlet for propaganda, rhetoric and schoolboy level insults, not a publication to be taken seriously – especially for anyone who works in the business world needing facts on the ground on which to make decisions. And the facts on the ground are that not only are the claims of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming highly uncertain and also often wildly exaggerated, but that even many of the experts who stand behind alarming claims made regarding the latter disputed any feasible links to Hurricane Sandy.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 07, 2012 10:19 PM (e8kgV)

327 @295 Dude, that's tough! One of my best customers before my last business failed had AIDS. The early drugs attacked his kidneys, and he had the peritoneal dialysis at home. He was faithful in the demanding regimen, and one 4th of July weekend he told me they had a donor, he was leaving that evening for a new kidney. Wow, what a difference! After his recovery from the transplant surgery, and a somewhat extended ramp-up in health, he looked like a new man. He will be on anti-rejection drugs for the duration, but small price to pay. That guy apparently had good docs, don't know about foreign. Also, he told me that he had "the gratitude attitude" which you gotta believe helps everything.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 10:19 PM (1V6Pv)

328 28 >>> am going to go for a walk, if only to the end of the street and back, at least three times a week. I used to walk around the block but I'd get half way and decide it's too far and go back.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 07, 2012 10:19 PM (wSTfB)

329 319

If someone has a suggestion for a gassy dog, I'm all ears.
Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:15 PM (opS9C)


Flambe?

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 07, 2012 10:17 PM (l3vZN)

Is the dog eating stuff its not supposed to? Or is the regular food making it senor fartypants?

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:20 PM (nuLjn)

330 thanks, peaches!

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 10:16 PM (LCRYB)

c'mere, and let me motorboat your sweet ewok ass . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:20 PM (kpCLl)

331 <<Man that burned.>>

Certainly not happy about it... I am, in fact, furious, because Barone and Rove and all these guys who virtually ridiculed Silver and his methods...it was a meme on this site to make fun of him; in posts and comments...all got it wrong, and Silver nailed it on the money.

I know, I know..."Happy Thread"...I got curious about Silver's results and went reading a few minutes ago to discover he'd been completely right (at least, he was right about 49 of the 50 states...Florida hasn't been called yet).

We allowed ourselves to love in our own bubble...even those who are traditionally "fair and objective".

But we lied to ourselves.

Worst part about all this is the gloating. I had to delete my link to Fark because of he viciousness directed at "Republitards" over there. It's not enough that they won, they need to rub our noses in it. When my old high school buddy celebrated Elizabeth Warren's victory I commented "At last, a Native American is in the Senate."

He simply called me a sore loser.

And the truth is, I am. I voted for a candidate I hated in order to put the brakes on a fascist Marxist who will do all he can to find a way to run for a third term...and ruin the country in the process. The damage Obama will do in the next four years will never be undone. Obamacare is now as much a part of this society as social security and welfare.

But worse is coming.

Much worse.

I know, I know...happy thread...

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2012 10:20 PM (CKz6N)

332 I got to spend 9 days in a coma 3 years ago - major blockages and plaque broke loose while they were placing the first stent on the Cath table. They put me in a medically induced coma on Haldol with a heart pump and respirator until I woke up. 11 more days before they cut me loose due to being Heparin antibody positive.
I never thought I would quit - I had tried for 20 years, every thing available. After 3 weeks on Chantix the WIFE told me to start smoking! Not recommended but it worked. I'm a 25 year recovering AA and NA so I know about quitting too!

Bottom line - I had two more blockages to stent - 3 months later we did another stress test to see how they were doing and they were GONE. My cardiologist said the blockages were caused mainly by the inflammation in my arteries due to smoking.
After 40 years of smoking I don't miss it at all - absolutely amazes me.

Posted by: DHead at November 07, 2012 10:21 PM (ZdAo1)

333 317

a) What?
b) Oh yeah, I'm sure you're a rugged individualist.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:21 PM (aSf5o)

334 Paultards not Ronulans. Get it right fuck nugget.

Posted by: Adam at November 07, 2012 10:21 PM (jOByT)

335 Started lifting some old dumbbells in that I had sitting on a shelf in the garage. Noticed some improvement with those and thought to myself that I should maybe buy some weights on craigslist. Started tracking what I eat on Livestrong and two months later I am down 20 pounds without really trying and just feel better.

Ace, a couple of people have mentioned how much your writing means to them and I want to echo those sentiments. I am a lurker but have been here for about 4 years and if I need a pick me up or advice I come to the moron hordes and everything is better.

Thanks!

Posted by: Doug at November 07, 2012 10:21 PM (kZMGo)

336
Another self-improvement thing I've been thinking about is my
college education. I'm still nowhere near graduation due to my own
laziness, but I've been seriously thinking about whether it's worth it
to keep going. I've been a music and a journalism major, but I know both
degrees are worthless and quit. I'm not mathematically inclined, so I
have no idea what kind of degree I can get (especially in this economy
considering the reelection of Barry) and am thinking about dropping out
of school altogether.

Any morons with some career advice?


Finding a good trade school might be your best bet. Unfortunately, if your laziness is the problem, then that will haunt you no matter what you do.

If you're linguistically inclined, focus on learning a second language well that you can use to pick up interpreter or translator work.


Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 10:21 PM (HwgHt)

337 320

Yeah. Ok.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:22 PM (aSf5o)

338 311 model_1066, you're right, good sam isn't the right analogy. My point was that picking up trash gives me a chance to do something good for the 'hood without being asked or being thanked, but purely because it's the right thing to do. Frankly, it's sad that so many people walk by garbage without picking it up.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:22 PM (96M6e)

339 A few more post-election I want my life back resolutions--
walk the dog more, get back into reading and
listening to music, and impose complete FB and media blackout, no exceptions except for watching certain recorded turbo-male guns and tats non-PC shows, like Sons of Anarchy. And Justified.


Feels like New Years Day. Ok, well not really.

Posted by: goldilocks at November 07, 2012 10:22 PM (OETVg)

340 Little Lebowski, ever consider being a firefighter/paramedic? Saved my life, man. Really fun, decent pay, get to help people out.

Posted by: firecaptain at November 07, 2012 10:22 PM (L8Qa7)

341 I have lost 30 pounds and about 5% body fat eating low-carb and tracking my intake with the MyFitnessPal app on my iPhone. Also quit dipping, fully quit since June 25. The wife and I also started getting up at 5:30am and walking 3 miles Monday to Friday. I weigh less than I have since finishing med school. Unfortunately I now have to buy new pants (down 4" in the waist) but that is a price I am willing to pay.

Next step is P90X. Lose another 10 pounds and put 20 back on as muscle, or as close as I can get.

Posted by: Darren at November 07, 2012 10:22 PM (5GjF7)

342 Hi Morons,

I bet you guys are tickled pink that Gary Johnson cost Mitt so many electoral votes.

Maybe pissing off the Ronulans, ficons, and constitutionalists wasn't a Good Idea?

PS. Neocon Ace got his stupid ass smashed in by smart libertarian Nate Silver.

Ha-ha!


Ha-ha! You're in the same boat as the rest of us! Ha-ha! We all get our asses smashed in now! Ha-ha! What a great victory for libertarianism! Ha-ha! Making sure Obama gets at least two more whacks at SCOTUS appointments, thus making the world you want even less likely than it would've been if Romney had won! Ha-ha!

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 10:23 PM (SI/pw)

343 "Any morons with some career advice?
Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 10:18 PM"

Go to a trade school - that takes no more than 12 months to complete - look through catalog, find what you enjoy (do you like working with computers? web design or repair? etc) and a career will find you because you will enjoy what you are doing and it won't seem like work.

That and the IRS needs 16,000 new IRS agents and the HQ Horde could really use someone on the "inside"

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 10:23 PM (RGgMp)

344 Nothing about whether or not it changes your voice or not? I really find that 3 pack-a-day, raspy voice a real turn on in my women. In fact, I've been trying to get my wife to to achieve that sound and for a year now 3 packs a day just hasn't done it so far.

She claims the addition of a shot of Old Crow between packs might act as an accelerant, but I'm not willing to go there because of the obvious health risks.

Posted by: PC14 at November 07, 2012 10:23 PM (PFIGD)

345 I quit smoking using an ecig just under a month before I had two grand-mal seizures and was subsequently diagnosed with grade II brain cancer. Nearly three years later and I'm still smoke-free, down 40lbs, and kicking cancer's ass. Thanks for posting this Ace. Good stuff and relatively easy to quit with. Took me three days to finally quit and haven't wanted one since.

Posted by: Provectus at November 07, 2012 10:23 PM (toeEC)

346 So the thread is about weight loss.


First, STOP drinking, these are empty carolies and your liver processes alcohol before it processing fat.

Second, it is all about calories in and calories out. It takes 3200 calories to lose a pound.

Third, figure out your resting calorie burn, about 2000 to 3000 a day. look it up.

Fourth,
do weight training AND cardio. You burn more calories with cardio
right away, but weight training burns calories longer.

Fourth, it takes SIX weeks for your body to get on the program





Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:24 PM (wR+pz)

347 310 ace - I suppose. It isn't just "off," I can barely walk, and I used to all the time. Of course, it could just be coincidental with other physical problems which happened round the same time, but I forget to consider that as the cause. Just need to get that taken care of if possible before 2014

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:24 PM (opS9C)

348 Well, yeah, Mr. Running interference for pussy.

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 10:24 PM (nbYoV)

349 346
I quit smoking using an ecig just under a month before I had two
grand-mal seizures and was subsequently diagnosed with grade II brain
cancer. Nearly three years later and I'm still smoke-free, down 40lbs,
and kicking cancer's ass. Thanks for posting this Ace. Good stuff and
relatively easy to quit with. Took me three days to finally quit and
haven't wanted one since.

Rock on! See my 321. I used an eCig also. Waaaaay better than the patch.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 10:25 PM (d0Dmj)

350 Afterwards another gentlemansaid to me, "you know he thinks you just
told him'its broken! I need a bedroom!' while pointing at your crotch."
--

Biggest laugh of the day...thank you!

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 10:25 PM (F3s39)

351 Any morons with some career advice?

Sweetie, apply for ever single municipal employee job you can find, no matter how lowly or demeaning. By the time you are 50, you will be able to retire on more money than I make at 60 working my ass off 40 hours a week. I think constantly that if I had gone that route, I would already be in the land of milk and honey for 10 years now. My only other advice is to save every last nickel you can, even if it's only nickels at a time. Put it in an IRA or a 401k and, well, I'll be long gone by then, but you will be thinkin', hey, zombie peaches, that was some good fuckin' advice.

May the force be with you.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:25 PM (kpCLl)

352 model_1066, I just re-read your original comment, and I think you misunderstood my original. Of course I pick up my dog's refuse. I am talking about picking up waterbottles, coke cans, McDonalds wrappers. You know...trash.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:25 PM (96M6e)

353 Just in case some people are planning on stopping any business with liberals or swing states, Kroger grocery store is in Ohio, Publix is Florida, and WalMart of course is Arkansas.

Posted by: ConservativeTeacher at November 07, 2012 10:26 PM (PDwWG)

354 Resting calorie burn.


http://tinyurl.com/canbn92

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:26 PM (wR+pz)

355 349

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:26 PM (aSf5o)

356 Dad smoked three packs a day of unfiltered Camels as far back as I can remember. Up and quit one day after 50yrs or so.
Wife quit too after 45yrs of it. I had to be careful around her for a while but she's over it now.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 07, 2012 10:27 PM (wSTfB)

357 339
311 model_1066, you're right, good sam isn't the right analogy. My point
was that picking up trash gives me a chance to do something good for
the 'hood without being asked or being thanked, but purely because it's
the right thing to do. Frankly, it's sad that so many people walk by
garbage without picking it up.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:22 PM (96M6e)

What goes around comes around! Good neighbors sometimes cause others to fall into good behavior by setting an example. I walk my bully-dog at least twice a day, and she's a frickin' poop machine...sometimes twice on a half hour walk. I figure that I've picked up her poop (2x/day,350days/year=700x3years) 2100 times. That's a mountain of feces.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:27 PM (nuLjn)

358 Hey, have you seen pictures of Nate Silver? Suffice it to say there's very little evidence of any gene that even remotely resembles something from the Gracie line. Ass kicking? I think not.

Posted by: PC14 at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (PFIGD)

359 rickb223, that's the damn truth... did the patch, gum, inhaler, and chantix. The first three sucked and didn't help at all. The last one hurt. Badly. Let's just leave it at that! =D

Posted by: Provectus at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (toeEC)

360 noun, verb, object....

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (nbYoV)

361 So do republicans vote on Thursday? That's what the lady told me Monday.
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Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (wR+pz)

362 First, STOP drinking

Yeah, right!

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (kpCLl)

363 Holy cow! Parker and Stone are friggin fast!

Tonight's episode
has been about Cartman hiding ballots so Obama could win, therefore
ingratiating himself to Mickey Mouse and demanding a role as Luke
Skywalker's son in the next Star Wars movie.

I still can't figure out what the Chinese have to do with it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (piMMO)

364
Ditto to what someone else said. Thanks for this post. It's helpful. And thanks for this site in general. I believe I've been reading since 2004, and it'sfelt like my voice at times, made me laugh out loud (in the best possible way) at other times, and given me more to think about all the time. Bravo for that!
My success story: Nothing big. When I was laid off from a job several years ago, I was beyond angry. I decided to channel all my anger and frustration into getting into shape (I always loved exercise, but slacked off completely because my job sucked away all my time and energy). I promised myself then that I would never again let exercise and fitness take a back seat to everything else. Because I love doing those things and, frankly, if I don't feel healthy, then how is that going to impact the rest of my life? I have off days and off weeks, but I haven't fallen off the fitness bandwagon in three years. I do all kinds of classes at the gym (kickboxing and step aerobics and yoga), I've run a few races (not fast, but I do them). It's an engrained part of life -- one of the best parts, actually.
My "New Year's" Resolution: To finally, once and for all, escape my current soul-sucking job in journalism. I've hated the bias with a passion for years. Hate it with every fiber of my being. Feel like I have nothing in common with co-workers, and I don't even want to find common ground with them anymore. If they know my conservative views, we are no longer even fake "friends" anyway, so why bother? That, in itself, would be more than enough to make me want to leave. It's hard to do what your heart isn't in, right? But it's also just a bad environment where I work -- for more reasons than I care to list. I've been on the verge of quitting so many times this year. And I've never quit a "real" job in my life. But, with the economy being what it is, I don't have the guts to just walk in and quit. Not even sure it would be economically doable. But it would force me to find something else, once and for all. Something that I care about. Maybe even a workplace where I feel some pride about my profession and one where I feel like I can be a bit more authentic. So, yeah, escaping that job and that career. I have to make it happen.

Posted by: BethinPA at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (LWdPB)

365 361

What about them?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (aSf5o)

366 When I say barely wlk, I mean cn't walk far. 10-20 feet nd get tired. Seems kind of bd, though lucky I keep everyhting ner my chir Execpt my "A" key...

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:29 PM (opS9C)

367 I smoked a few packs of cigs every day this falluntil Hurricane Sandy hit. Then I quit the smoking, put on a fresh Air Force One jacket, had a picture taken with Chrissyand won an election.

Posted by: Barry S. at November 07, 2012 10:29 PM (gtFvs)

368 My wife and I started getting active and paying down any debt in Jan. Ten years on the couch and now I am running ten k runs. I am training for a 21k and am learning to swim-@50 years old.

I met an old patient awhile back that was just so full of life, twinkle in the eye stuff, that I just had to ask him his secret. He said he tried to forgive people who hurt him because life is too short. Also, each year he committed to conquering something that he was afraid of. Thus I am in the pool because my wife says the colonoscopy doesn't count.

Posted by: BrianInWisconsin at November 07, 2012 10:29 PM (MsOp2)

369 Smoked for 25+ years. Gave it up cold turkey, no assist, and you can too. E-cigs are for those without mental fortitude. Just make up your mind that you want to live. If you can make it over the 4 day critical point, you're probably going to suceed. Don't ever pick one up again. Once you're good and weaned being around smokers won't give you
cravings, nor will drinking a beer or any of the normal triggers. You'll be amazed at how much better you feel, and how much better you feel about yourself. Your family will be proud too, and you'll get to see your grandbabies grow up. Plus, money. Good luck.

If you really think you need the e-cig, alright. But quit, now. Days count.

Posted by: Xavier at November 07, 2012 10:29 PM (tqAdU)

370 On the smoking issue, I'm like ace, still do it on occasion. But seriously, do whatever you can to stop. My aunt has emphysema and its not pretty at all. Her home is wrapped in oxygen tubes.

Posted by: Adam at November 07, 2012 10:29 PM (jOByT)

371 363
First, STOP drinking

Yeah, right!


It's a goal. A hard goal now, but it must be done to lose weight.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:30 PM (wR+pz)

372 The damage Obama will do in the next four years will never be undone.

The only thing worse than the gloating from liberals is conservatives who make statements like this.

There were people who said the damage and the division caused by the Civil War would never be undone.

Can you just put a sock in it now? Last night I had sympathy. Today, it's just tedious because it's not even true. If Chile can go free market, the U.S. can repeal Obamacare. If former Soviet satellite nations can embrace the free market, we can undo Obamacare.

So just knock it off. I'm tired of it.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 10:31 PM (SI/pw)

373 My weight had been creeping up the past dozen years since I stopped biking 60 miles a week, it'd gone from 177 to 233. Have been doing Atkins since July and am down to 200 so far. My main meal is a big salad with steak or pork chops mixed in. By far the best weight loss plan I've tried.

Posted by: waelse1 at November 07, 2012 10:31 PM (bfWxK)

374 @345 Old lots of Cabin Still have been proven safe. Good luck finding them without as prescription from an understanding doc, tho'.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 10:31 PM (1V6Pv)

375 368

Ok, this scapegoating Christie thing has got to stop. If nothing else, it's not productive.


(And he was only following the campaign strategy of being nice to Obama.)
(Quite possibly after being instructed to do so by the campaign.)
(Anything else would have resulted in a media shitstorm.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:32 PM (aSf5o)

376 349
Well, yeah, Mr. Running interference for pussy.



Whatever than means I am all in for the pussy,

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:32 PM (wR+pz)

377
*Feeling rather embarrassed*
And, now, I'm realizing I wrote a book. About a mile longer than what everyone else wrote. What can I say? It's been a long day/four years.

Posted by: BethinPA at November 07, 2012 10:32 PM (LWdPB)

378 #375 reminds me, I need to practice my marksmanship.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 07, 2012 10:32 PM (xKC/c)

379 I was thinking about taking up smoking again after almost 20 years away from it but I'm worried about the bad stuff like getting light-headed and sick like when I was 14. Has anyone had any luck using the e-cigs as a gateway drug to real cigarettes?

Posted by: slug at November 07, 2012 10:32 PM (vVv3V)

380 370
Smoked for 25+ years. Gave it up cold turkey, no assist, and you can too. E-cigs are for those without mental fortitude.

Also for those of us that don't want to go to prison for murder.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 10:33 PM (d0Dmj)

381 So just knock it off. I'm tired of it.


Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 10:31 PM (SI/pw)

fuck off . . . some of us are truly concerned for the future of our country and if you think that somehow the brain-dead shitbird takers are gonna have a change of heart in 4 years, then you have my sympathy. And contempt.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:33 PM (kpCLl)

382 @375 Weird. A Ron Paul supporter who took allof two posts to blame the joos? Wtf? Cheese dick.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 10:33 PM (1V6Pv)

383 Any morons with some career advice?>>

Welding. start as a welder and move up to CWI or welding engineer. Here's a good link for info. http://www.aws.org/w/a/

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 07, 2012 10:33 PM (plCGI)

384 Probably a 5yr lurker here. Believe it or not, my gateways were Hot Air and the El Gee Eff site. Been hooked ever since. Been so down all day. Cried at work and on the drive home. I stayed away from people who I know voted O just to avoid snapping off. I'm under 30, have too many Obots as friends/fam, and I live in MD. So it hasn't been a good day. Been reading and refreshing the HQ literally all day long (haven't been to HA at all) and reading here has really helped.

All that sappy stuff said, I see a lot of running/walking/biking in my immediate future. Maybe a 5k once every couple of months. Gotta get out the frustration. Less to no fast food/restaurant eating. No need to physically feel like crap for the next 4yrs in addition to everything else. The paleo eating sounds doable w/o being restrictive (thus resembling punishment). The thought of giving up coffee and Mt. Dew kinda gives me the shakes, but I'm going to try. The recipes thread gave me lots of ideas.

Increasing my historical reading (got the Rise and Decline of the Roman Empire queued up first), time at the range, and spending lots more time with my niece and nephew. They are 5 and 8. I love them so much and they bring me so much joy. I think my tears today were for them.

Posted by: LimacharlieSquared at November 07, 2012 10:34 PM (R/rtr)

385 Posted by: BrianInWisconsin at November 07, 2012 10:29 PM (MsOp2)

No offense, but when I hear someone say that they don't know how to swim, I'm stunned. For some reason I think that it's natural for humans to at least dog paddle to keep their heads above water. Disclaimer: I was a lifeguard/swimming instructor many years ago.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:34 PM (nuLjn)

386 I know many here think us people of faith are idiots, but you know what?

We
are not freaking out nearly like the rest of you are. It actually
confirms many of my thoughts about where the world is right now,
including this country.

Now, let me also tell you I am not a
quitter and unless God tells me or makes me quit, I carry on. (He is
never spoken to me audibly either okay).

Until many of you
realize that this time on earth is temporary, maybe God will continue to
try and get your attention. Why don't you seek Him now so all of us
don't have to suffer with you?

Posted by: jlfintx at November 07, 2012 10:34 PM (Wnk4X)

387 Da Jooooooooossssssss!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!1!!!

Posted by: Ron Paul at November 07, 2012 10:34 PM (jOByT)

388 osted by: BethinPA at November 07, 2012 10:28 PM (LWdPB)

Too long. AoSHQ is like twitter, 100 words baby.


That is all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:34 PM (wR+pz)

389 375

Zionist communists? Zionism is a nationalist movement, you fucking retard. One that probably won't be aided by Iran nuking Israel.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:34 PM (aSf5o)

390 Concentrated nicotine?
E. Gordon Liddy said in an interview I saw years ago that he could remove enough nicotine from a cigar to kill a person.
How concentrated is this stuff?

Posted by: SOYLENT GREEN at November 07, 2012 10:35 PM (+P0aQ)

391 "Ron Paul,"

It's posts like that that convince me you and your brood do not care about the country at all -- you just want to be Top Dogs.

You can jerk yourself off to this fantasy that you're a "constitutionalist patriot" or whatever. What you are is an attention-craving buffoon who is powerless in his own life so who insists he have power over a political party.

From what I know of you guys, you are united less by any coherent politics than by a consistent psychiatric diagnosis.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 10:35 PM (LCRYB)

392 Good tips.

I wrote an open letter to Gov. Chris Christie. Link in my signature.


Posted by: TD at November 07, 2012 10:36 PM (DQMcq)

393 No offense, but when I hear someone say that they don't know how to
swim, I'm stunned. For some reason I think that it's natural for humans
to at least dog paddle to keep their heads above water. Disclaimer: I
was a lifeguard/swimming instructor many years ago.


I'm the same way. I'm shocked that people don't know the basics of handling themselves in water over their heads.

Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 10:36 PM (HwgHt)

394
Another self-improvement thing I've been thinking about is my
college education. I'm still nowhere near graduation due to my own
laziness, but I've been seriously thinking about whether it's worth it
to keep going. I've been a music and a journalism major, but I know both
degrees are worthless and quit. I'm not mathematically inclined, so I
have no idea what kind of degree I can get (especially in this economy
considering the reelection of Barry) and am thinking about dropping out
of school altogether.

Any morons with some career advice?


****

Finish with a business or management degree because the job market is so competitive that a degree is the minimum you need just to get an interview at many companies. When you get a job, work your ass off during your scheduled hours and then take your ass home

This is coming from someone who worked 60-80 hour weeks for 18 years only to have a new know-nothing director come in and tell me it was clear I couldn't handle my job in 40.

The people with balance in their lives have it figured out.

With that being said, remember that you don't have to like a job to do it well. Hell, if you loved what you were doing it would be called a hobby and they wouldn't have to pay you to show up.

And, since you'll be new to the workforce, check out my comment at 166

Good luck!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 10:36 PM (piMMO)

395 I'm on the finishing stages of a revolutionary colostomy bag design that I'm going to call the Turbo Suck 5000.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 10:36 PM (BuSM8)

396 322 Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 10:18 PM (8LCi0)___________ I thought similar things and woke up one day in my 40s, still smoking, and much worse off, IMO, because of it... Off to bed or something. Take care.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:36 PM (opS9C)

397 @387

Before the ADA every college in NC required students to learn to swim to get a degree.

My roommate had to take swimming FOUR times to graduate.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:36 PM (wR+pz)

398 @373 Right on Llarry!
"You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing after they've tried everything else." - Winston Churchill

Posted by: Trojan at November 07, 2012 10:36 PM (MNVwR)

399 I quit smoking about 20 years ago. At the beginning of the year, I told everyone, including people I didn't know but encountered on the sidewalk, that I was going to quit smoking Labor Day Weekend. Then a bunch of us went out after work on my last smoking day, I got unbelievably drunk, so drunk that even though it was before midnight and my friend gave me a few more cigs to get me to the final hour, I couldn't manage them and flushed them. I then took two weeks off from work to get over the extreme crabbiness that I knew would result, and I have never looked back. This also led to a huge cutback in my alcohol consumption 'cause it is just no fun to sit in a bar and not smoke, which you could actually do 20 years ago.

The single best improvement I have made in my life since then was to hear something on the radio that advised "Don't take anything personally." I said, "Holy shit, that's why I'm so miserable and angry" and so I stopped taking things personally although I really had to nag myself about it for quite a while, consciously remind myself to knock it off, and I still have lots of issues when I'm driving. But I cannot tell you how much better this has made my life. I am so much calmer now. I can look for solutions instead of blame. I can just ignore stuff that has nothing to do with me.

What else I need to do:
1. Be a better housekeeper
2. Write. Start a blog or try to write stories or write reviews of books I read or anything. Just freaking write.

Posted by: Tonestaple at November 07, 2012 10:36 PM (gvVlx)

400 OK, funny/stupid flashback. When I was about 12 or 13, I saw one of those old Skoal "pinch between your cheek and gum" ads on TV, back when such things were allowed. So, I grabbed one of my old man's Pall Mall unfiltered cigarettes, tore it open, and stuffed a wad of it in my cheek. Burned like an SOB, and took about 15 minutes before I got all of the little flakes out.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:37 PM (96M6e)

401 Well said, jlfintx. You aren't the only one.

Posted by: slug at November 07, 2012 10:37 PM (vVv3V)

402 My health and weight-control tip is to put a treadmill in front of the TV, and only watch TV when on the treadmill. You kind of forget you are even exercising, and get to watch TV guilt-free.

I also practice yoga 2-3 times a week which is really good to de-stress and set your head right. I take classes at my church so it's not quite as hippy-dippy as its reputation.


Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 10:37 PM (F3s39)

403 I know many here think us people of faith are idiots, but you know what?

I don't think anybody here has every expressed that opinion. But I do have to ask, are you telling people to seek God, or are you telling people to seek "church?" Because there is a bit of a difference. I personally bug the living crap out of the Big Guy on a daily basis. I do not use a middleman, but I have nothing but respect for those who do.

So, eh, what's your fuckin' point?

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:37 PM (kpCLl)

404 Soylent, Liddy could probably kill a man with a cigar without removing the nicotine.

Posted by: firecaptain at November 07, 2012 10:37 PM (L8Qa7)

405 First, STOP drinking, these are empty carolies and your liver processes alcohol before it processing fat.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 10:24 PM (wR+pz) ====You mean stop drinking eveywhere or just in SC?

Posted by: Scratch One Republic at November 07, 2012 10:38 PM (9ghZ6)

406 And thank you, Larry @ 373. That needed to be said and I needed to hear it.

Posted by: Tonestaple at November 07, 2012 10:38 PM (gvVlx)

407 PS Keep antagonizing the individualists. It's been working great so far (for Obama and the Zionist communists).

An individualist who has the identical mode of expression as millions of others, to the point that all their posts read as though they were written by one person?

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 10:38 PM (SI/pw)

408 Ace thanks for the info, but when I Google

Tornado Tank Eco-C Mega

Which gave as the brand, Google returns

Tornado Tank Ego-C Mega

which seems to be what you are referring to.

Posted by: jbarntt at November 07, 2012 10:39 PM (UNFot)

409 No offense, but when I hear someone say that they don't know how to swim, I'm stunned.>>

Me too I don't remember ever not being able to and also made a point to take my kids to lessons when they were little. But I've lived near the water all my life so maybe that's why.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 07, 2012 10:39 PM (plCGI)

410 Another life improvement: learning Hebrew.

It would actually be my fourth language. The other two, German and Russian, I learned while in the USAF.

My 51 year old brain is having an easier time of it than I thought it would and, being left-handed, I'm liking this right to left thing.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 07, 2012 10:39 PM (Su0W2)

411 Any morons with some career advice?

What are you passionate about doing?

What would you do, for free, on a Friday night, just for fun? (besides drinking and fucking, of course)

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 10:39 PM (d/5qf)

412 Model. 1066

No offense taken. A phobia from my youth. A friend, triathlete,is helping me. He said my natural stoke is wrong in every way. Time will tell.

Posted by: BrianInWisconsin at November 07, 2012 10:40 PM (MsOp2)

413 I'm going to learn some useful survival skills. This is something I've needed to do for a while; I know the basics of shooting, but I'd like to know more, and every good nerd should have a viable skill in case the zombie apocalypse comes calling.

Posted by: Rosa E. at November 07, 2012 10:40 PM (Ei5yY)

414 Hey Ace,

Thanks for the site. Lots of good info here and fellow 'rons make me lol.

Posted by: willy at November 07, 2012 10:40 PM (kUCQ4)

415 Sweetie, apply for ever single municipal employee job you can find, no
matter how lowly or demeaning. By the time you are 50, you will be able
to retire on more money than I make at 60 working my ass off 40 hours a
week. I think constantly that if I had gone that route, I would already
be in the land of milk and honey for 10 years now. My only other advice
is to save every last nickel you can, even if it's only nickels at a
time. Put it in an IRA or a 401k and, well, I'll be long gone by then,
but you will be thinkin', hey, zombie peaches, that was some good
fuckin' advice.

Unfortuantely, I don't trust that any 401k I put money in will be safe from the Free Shit Party. It's only a matter of time before we pull an Argentina.

I'm strongly considering trade school. I haven't definitely decided to drop out yet, but I just don't see many degrees out there that are going to be worth anything going forward. Maybe I'll learn how to plumb. My uncle's a plumber and does very well for himself.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 10:40 PM (8LCi0)

416 I will stop drinking and smoking when they put my ass in the ground and not a second before. However, I am first and foremost a control freak. 1/2 pack a day and low tolerance for the lite beer I drink and get all my systems checked on a regular basis. Plus, fuck, the way things are going, is an early death all that distasteful?

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:40 PM (kpCLl)

417 Icould move to Colorado.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 07, 2012 10:40 PM (LCZ3l)

418 412
Another life improvement: learning Hebrew.



It would actually be my fourth language. The other two, German and Russian, I learned while in the USAF.



My 51 year old brain is having an easier time of it than I thought
it would and, being left-handed, I'm liking this right to left thing.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 07, 2012 10:39 PM (Su0W2)

I hear that mastering another language makes it much easier to pick up others. Or maybe that's within language groups such as French, Italian, Spanish?

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:41 PM (nuLjn)

419 If you try and fail, it's not failing, it's just called practice. One day you'll succeed. If you had a friend that needs to quit the same habit make a bet and make the payoff pretty worth while. My friend and I bet on the 2012 Prez race. I lost. I owe unlimited drinks and I'm the DD for the night. Trying to get hubby to lose weight like I did. Don't know what I can use as incentive-life longer, healthier life for me? For him? For the dogs?

Posted by: S.Lynn at November 07, 2012 10:41 PM (SKjLj)

420 You know I just take it up the ass and then I chill out.


I am not that fat am I?

Posted by: Barney at November 07, 2012 10:42 PM (wR+pz)

421 381
Has anyone had any luck using the e-cigs as
a gateway drug to real cigarettes?


No. But used it as a bridge to STOP using cigarettes.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 10:42 PM (d0Dmj)

422 420
Icould move to Colorado.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 07, 2012 10:40 PM (LCZ3l)

I live here...I love it here. Good weather, good people. Seeing a concert at Red Rocks will sell anybody on Colorado. Can I get an amen?

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:43 PM (nuLjn)

423 jbarntt,

thanks, I've corrected.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 10:43 PM (LCRYB)

424 420
Icould move to Colorado.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012

CO just told the USA to go FO over what plants you can smoke.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 07, 2012 10:43 PM (dZ756)

425 ace, if you're around...thanks for injecting these several non-political threads today. Your site is appreciated more than you know.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:43 PM (96M6e)

426 Looking closely and others, I redid a low carb diet starting in Feb. I'm down from 250 to 204 *I did this about 6 years ago to drop from 287 to 207. Then I ate whatever the fuck I wanted to for 3 years and gained half of it back*

I feel good and my cholesterol numbers and all the rest are in the optimal range. My goal now is to weigh something that starts with the number "1". I'm 4 pounds away.

Gotta take on the smokes now.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 07, 2012 10:44 PM (pUqSw)

427 415

A what?

The party of baby sacrifice? That would be the Democrat party? The party you supported...

(And no one was bashing anyone until you showed up.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:44 PM (aSf5o)

428 "My uncle's a plumber and does very well for himself.
Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 10:40 PM "
Can't hurt, Mr. Nora is forever in his "office" which then requires a plumber

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 10:44 PM (RGgMp)

429 It took me years to quit, and years to cut down from over a pack a day to maybe 3 a day before I finally quit for good. One technique I found helpful in the cutting down period was to put off lighting up for 10 minutes. Sometimes you would forget.
When you finally do quit, the hardest part will be breaking the routines where you smoke - after dinner, having a drink, stuff like that.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 10:44 PM (PD2ad)

430 To anyone who has a 401(k) or the like, it might be a good idea to cash out or exercise some other option like rolling it over to a different investment type, if you can. Democrats in Congress have floated the idea of seizing all 401(k)s and other retirement funds to help fund union pensions and/or Social Security. I think they'll get more serious about it now, and at this point, I don't trust Boehner to stop them.

I apologize if that was too political a thing to say on this particular thread. I just feel that cashing out your retirement fund before such a seizure occurs would probably constitute a positive life improvement.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 07, 2012 10:44 PM (RLZvP)

431


I'd like to learn Latin. Local bar is having "Latin Night" on Wednesdays, so I think if I go there I'll be able to pick it up.

Posted by: Scratch One Republic at November 07, 2012 10:44 PM (9ghZ6)

432 I hear that mastering another language makes it much
easier to pick up others. Or maybe that's within language groups such
as French, Italian, Spanish?


Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:41 PM (nuLjn)

All I can say is wow.
I am not chopped liver,but I can not get another language down. Math OK.Pisses me off

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 10:45 PM (wR+pz)

433 ok i told Alex i would post this:

For the past couple days i have been musing on what i would do if the election failed. What were the three things i wanted to do that were really important to me, that i was not doing now.


1.)
I have not produced a single painting since my divorce. That has got to stop. I went to art school, am a talented studio artist and i suspect this my way of expressing a deep grief. Ok. I grieved. Go back to making your slightly surreal versions of 14th and 15th century persian folio miniatures.



2.) Go back to Fucking sewing. Sure the Mean Girls are gonna say shit about my lack of mad skills in this department. but i am ok at it and my embroidery and handwork is stunning. So what if i have to ask a friend to make my patterns for me? just sew. i like to do it. dont be lazy.



3.) Go with Grim to the Gym, and just DO SOMETHING. i feel better when i do this and i dont know why i keep making excuses not to go. But there you go. i do. i can see myself getting balky and just not wanting to. its not rational.



part of this i know is grieving. i have stuff on my mind that makes me want to just lay down and die. Financial troubles are always breathing down my neck and yet...i know the friend i care about would laugh at me and accuse me of being lazy and making excuses. but there are days its all i can do just to ride the colt, take care of the horses with medical needs and work the older horses. Then im just too worn out for anything else. Even the ONT.



i figure that just realizing what i am blowing off is a first step. then i can start holding myself accountable for getting it done. But it sure looks like i gave up for a while on "fun stuff." And thats silly.

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at November 07, 2012 10:45 PM (r7Ddb)

434 OK...life-improvement contribution...

While alcohol does have calories (beer the most, then wine, then the hard crap), it is much more easily burned off than calories in things like meat or dairy.

Which is kind of obvious if you think about it because otherwise all college girls would be morbidly obese.

...even if they did involuntarily purge.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2012 10:45 PM (CKz6N)

435 I live here...I love it here. Good weather, good people. Seeing a
concert at Red Rocks will sell anybody on Colorado. Can I get an amen?


I was so excited when I got offered this job in Colorado Springs. CU Boulder grad and went to HS on the Western Slope, so I missed it while I was away for five years.

That said, after this election I'm looking to see what is available in Texas. CO is a beautiful state, but the Californians that have moved here are ruining it. And now no more politics in this thread from me.

Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 10:45 PM (HwgHt)

436 So, my Mom was a smoker who got lung cancer. She quit the day she was diagnosed, and they removed one lung. They removed all her cancer. We found out later that her surgeon would not have treated her if she had not stopped quitting.

Five years later, it returned, and she went through chemo/ radiation. A year and a half later, she passed. It was horrible. For those of you who smoke and just don't care if you die of cancer, how about the ones you love? Do you want them to suffer? Because they do suffer. They don't want to see you on oxygen, they don't want you in wheelchair, they don't want to see you unable to breathe. They don't want to watch you die; it will haunt them for the rest of your life.

If you won't quit smoking for yourself (and my Mom did quit after she was diagnosed the first time, and never smoked again; cancer is funny that way, it comes back) do it for those you love.

Posted by: shibumi at November 07, 2012 10:46 PM (z63Tr)

437 434



I'd like to learn Latin. Local bar is having "Latin Night" on Wednesdays, so I think if I go there I'll be able to pick it up.


My son took SIX years of Latin. I don't understand where he got that shit from.

I can buy a beer and get laid in Spanish. That is all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 10:47 PM (wR+pz)

438 Now you and your Abraham Kook-kike buddies know how it wrong it was to accuse we patriotic Paul Fetishists of hating Jews.

Posted by: "Ron Paul" at November 07, 2012 10:47 PM (LCRYB)

439 No offense, but when I hear someone say that they don't know how to swim, I'm stunned.>>


****

My dear grandmother, all 4'10" of her, never learned how to ride a bike, drive a car, or swim.

However, she cooked three meals a day every day, including biscuits, and had a huge hand in raising several of her grandchildren.

Bless her heart.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 10:47 PM (piMMO)

440 fuck off . . . some of us are truly concerned for the future of our
country and if you think that somehow the brain-dead shitbird takers are
gonna have a change of heart in 4 years, then you have my sympathy. And
contempt.


You're very confused. First of all, the person I asked to knock it off was saying that the damage Obama does can't be undone. If you agree, then why be "concerned"? We're dooooooooooooooooooomed! It's too late to be "concerned." If were doomed, it's time to emigrate or commit mass suicide.

Second, I said nothing about the "brain-dead shitbird takers" having a change of heart. I'm asking the gore crows and drama queens to lay off now. It's a self-indulgent, stupid waste of time to tell us that everything over, because if it is, what can we do about it? Nothing. So stop bending my ears. Complaining about something you can't change is wasted energy and boring to listen to.

Third, why would you have sympathy for someone you also hold in contempt?

Fourth, in your world, is there a middle position between thinking it's the end of everything and not caring? Could it be that maybe I'm concerned myself but don't think everything is done?

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 10:48 PM (SI/pw)

441 Maybe one day you will see through the Abrahamic Jew-spiracy and see that antisemitism is just an illusion created by Zionist rag peddlers.

Posted by: "Ron Paul" at November 07, 2012 10:48 PM (LCRYB)

442 <<There were people who said the damage and the division caused by the Civil War would never be undone.>>

You might want to take a trip through the deep South sometime...

...lotsa folks down there still butthurt over the "War Between the States".

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2012 10:49 PM (CKz6N)

443 Trying to get hubby to lose weight like I did. Don't know what I can use as incentive>>

Is this a question or a straight line?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 07, 2012 10:49 PM (plCGI)

444 Ace, I can't find the precise model you were talking about. Could you post links to the various components?

Posted by: darii at November 07, 2012 10:49 PM (EL6nA)

445 That said, after this election I'm looking to see
what is available in Texas. CO is a beautiful state, but the
Californians that have moved here are ruining it. And now no more
politics in this thread from me.


Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 10:45 PM (HwgHt)

Have they infested New Mexico yet? That state has amazing beauty too. Sunsets I have enjoyed in Carlsbad during the summer when the bats were about were pure joy.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:49 PM (nuLjn)

446 Just ordered an e-cigarette Ace. I've been wanting to quit and loved e-cigarettes before but I sort of forgot to pursue it. Thanks for reminding me.

Posted by: Dr. Manhattan at November 07, 2012 10:49 PM (1dU9f)

447 You guys should listen to us. You should always listen when someone starts talking about Masonic Zionist conspiracies.

That's when you know you're getting the straight dope.

Posted by: "Ron Paul" at November 07, 2012 10:50 PM (LCRYB)

448 @437

You must remember 20 somethings have a huge metabolism advantage.

Also all alcohol drinks have the same calories, 12 oz beer 100-150, one glass of wine same, one shot of liquor same.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 10:50 PM (wR+pz)

449 How would a real man like yourself have handled today?

Lotta rah-rah? Lotta "Let's go get 'em, tigers!!!"?

I may be crazy but my thoughts are thus:

We have been living in an increasingly pressurized world for months now. Our anxiety was through the roof. Then we suffered an enormous setback which is, for many (including me), actually heartbreaking.

So my idea is that we get our mental attitudes together and take a bit of a breather.

So tell me how a real man, a real fire-breathing warrior such as yourself, would have handled a crushing defeat?

Would have? I guess no one could possibly understand your shoes. It must be a unique situation. Quit reinforcing the idea that you are a self indulgent punk.

Oh, I guess you cant.

Good for you. You quit smoking. Now go find solace and protection in your herd.

a) What?
b) Oh yeah, I'm sure you're a rugged individualist

Well, yeah, Mr. Running interference for pussy.

What?

noun, verb, object....

What about them?

Last time I try this....

Dumb Fuck

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 10:50 PM (nbYoV)

450 Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 10:44 PM (PD2ad)

{{{{{realjoe}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:50 PM (kpCLl)

451 416
I'm going to learn some useful survival skills. This is something I've
needed to do for a while; I know the basics of shooting, but I'd like to
know more, and every good nerd should have a viable skill in case the
zombie apocalypse comes calling.


Survivalist Boards
http://tinyurl.com/bl3dqq

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 10:50 PM (d0Dmj)

452 I quit smoking 4 years ago. And then - two months, ago, I was pissed off at someone, had a few drinks in me, and made my way over to the gas station down the street. I just wanted "a few puffs." I smoked one, threw the rest of the pack in the garbage and vowed not to do it again. But I did - a few nights later, for some stupid reason. And then it was off to the races.

For the past month, I've told myself that after the stress of the election was over, I'd quit. Well,today I was puffing away. I was so depressed that I thought, "F it, life in these United States is going to be crap anyway, so why quit?" Well, that's stupid talk. Before Ace posted this, I went out and bought a box of nicotine gum so I'll be doing that (didn't even think of the e-cigs).

I'm disgusted with myself. I lost 25 pounds this past year, was exercising and feeling healthy - and then I had to go pick up the damn cigs again. My smoker's cough is back and I get winded quickly. Not to mention my clothes and apartment stink of smoke. So wish me luck. It's an old pattern with me - I start doing stuff that makes me healthier and fitter, and then I shoot myself in the foot and fall back into self-destructive habits.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 07, 2012 10:50 PM (7OHl8)

453 @444

And we would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

Posted by: The Commie Zionist Mormons!!!!! at November 07, 2012 10:51 PM (9F2c1)

454 Good luck, Ace. Dont eat Tylenol before bed...

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 10:51 PM (nbYoV)

455 I voted Gary Johnson cuz like, choom bro. Who gives a fuck about the Supreme Court or any of the important shit. Moar weed!!!!!'

Posted by: Ron Paulz at November 07, 2012 10:51 PM (jOByT)

456 That's great. We get to go through the rest of life knowing bill mahr won, so stop smoking.

Posted by: Sponge at November 07, 2012 10:51 PM (nDcVA)

457 I've heard that with e-cigs it can be hard to gauge how much you're inhaling and you can easily make yourself sick. Any truth to this?

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 10:52 PM (8LCi0)

458 Swimming: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3gqhh Your library can probably get you the DVDs.
Marksmanship: http://preview.tinyurl.com/y8oxo5m Haven't done this one, personally, but it looks good. If there isn't one near you, if you're not a shooter try the NRA website for trained instructors near you. This may be more efficient skills-building than a random person at the range (which will probably work in most areas of the country in putting you in contact with a more experienced shooter; the others may be more likely to have instruction + shooting skills). You could also ask where you buy your gun. then, there's the internet, this for example: http://preview.tinyurl.com/bwwfya8

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 10:52 PM (1V6Pv)

459 Vape can't make you pregnant unless you consent. True fact.

Posted by: Todd Akin, Non-Senator from Missouri at November 07, 2012 10:53 PM (pwyhn)

460
...lotsa folks down there still butthurt over the "War Between the States".


****

Excuse me, but that is The War of Northern Aggression, thank you.

And those damned Dunkin Donuts spreading like wildfire, moving in across the street from good, hard working Krispy Kreme folks is stoking the fires again.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 10:53 PM (piMMO)

461 446
<<There were people who said the damage and the division caused by the Civil War would never be undone.>>

You might want to take a trip through the deep South sometime...

...lotsa folks down there still butthurt over the "War Between the States".


War of Northern Aggression. FIFY

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 10:53 PM (d0Dmj)

462
"If you're still a smoker: Dude, you must stop. Come on. It's not a sign of
rebellion. It's kind of a sign that you don't like your life very much and don't
think much about shortening it."

Dude, making ignorant statements like that isn't very persuasive. Don't tell me "what it's a sign of." What does sucking on vapor mean, eh? That you not only don't like your life but you're a phony besides?

NO LECTURE IS GOING TO GET OTHER PEOPLE TO MODIFY THEIR ADDICTIVE BEHAVIORS.

Man, I sure didn't expect to see this at AoSHQ.

Today just sucks all around. Good night!

Posted by: disa at November 07, 2012 10:53 PM (Zfbfs)

463 You're very confused. First of all, the person I asked to knock it off was saying that the damage Obama does can't be undone.

I am not even remotely confused. If you want to be a collaborationist, fine. Have you ever educated yourself on what happened in France in the 40s? Eh, don't bother, you've got this all figured out. I have the right to be annoyed and tell you to go fuck yaself. I haven't even had 24 hours to process this despicable turn of events. Glad you've got it all handled, sparky.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:53 PM (kpCLl)

464 I have a shitload of unused pudding...donating to the Marian House, here in Colorado Springs...Catholic Charities soup kitchen for the homeless...who knows, in a few years, I may get to enjoy it myself...

Posted by: CODefender at November 07, 2012 10:53 PM (9Hs9T)

465 You might want to take a trip through the deep South sometime...

...lotsa folks down there still butthurt over the "War Between the States".


I really hate the term "butthurt." Can't people be original?

I lived in Texas. I know all about the American South. They provide a large percentage of our troops.

Apparently their enduring "butthurt" doesn't keep them from laying down their lives for the UNITED States.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 10:54 PM (SI/pw)

466 <<Now resume your regularly scheduled bashing of the vital libertarian peg of the GOP stool.>>

Um...you douchebags ran your own candidate..so you're not a peg...

...you're just stool.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2012 10:54 PM (CKz6N)

467 Ace, I nodded in agreement through your entire post. My wife and I will be 2 years on e-cigs this Christmas. She still uses the KR-808D1s we started with. I use the Ego-C and I'm really pleased with them. Another good online vendor is Lite Cig. I like to vape the Red Bull flavor. Thanks again for posting this, I hope lotsa people take your advice and give e-cigs a shot!

Posted by: djrichiep at November 07, 2012 10:54 PM (jMHGW)

468 Ok, seriously, what is an "Abraham Kook?"


Is that a way of slandering Christians, or what?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:54 PM (aSf5o)

469 OK, here's one from a couple of years ago Mrs. Redneque sent me earlier today. Jr. Redneque would have been about 5 at the time.

Daddy's Car Rules (T-Bird convertible):
- nothing messy, sticky, or greasy
- no hard toys
- no shoes on the dash

Mommy's Car Rules (Volvo SUV - the family car):
- messy, sticky, or greasy is okay as long as you're careful and clean your hands afterward
- hard toys are okay, but you can't bang anything
- shoes on the seat backs are okay but you can't push on the seats

On the way to leave for school in the morning, Jr. Redneque asked, "Mommy Car or Daddy Car?" When told, "Mommy Car", he asked, "Can I take a hard toy?" When informed he could, Jr. lit up and ran off muttering, "I have to get a hard thing. A really, REALLY hard thing!"

Posted by: Boomer Redneque is pretty much disgusted beyond words at November 07, 2012 10:55 PM (eQnzo)

470 Getting back to the subject of life improvement, we recommend giving up alcohol, tobacco, pork, and private property.

Oh, and don't work on Saturdays. Or Sundays. Or non-collectively.

Posted by: The Commie Zionist Mormons!!!!! at November 07, 2012 10:55 PM (9F2c1)

471 <<You might want to take a trip through the deep South sometime...

...lotsa folks down there still butthurt over the "War Between the States".

I really hate the term "butthurt." Can't people be original?>>



u butthurt bro?

Nice work deliberately missing my point.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2012 10:55 PM (CKz6N)

472 Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:50 PM (kpCLl)

Hiya, shweetie!

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 10:55 PM (PD2ad)

473 I had no idea that Ace was a vaper!

I smoked more than a pack a day for over 35 years. Even a heart attack five years ago couldn't get me to quit.

Then last April I stumbled into electronic cigarettes. I wasn't planning on quitting. In fact, I was resigned to being a smoker forever.

Within a few days of discovering electronic cigarettes, I had smoked my last tobacco cigarette (vapers call them "analogs"). It was completely painless. No willpower required.

That was 7 months ago and I haven't had a single analog since. I still have two packs of my old brand lying around unopened. I'm never even tempted.

For those who might be interested, I use and recommend eGo Twist batteries and Kanger T2 clearomizers. If anyone is interested, I could also post some juice flavor recommendations.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 10:55 PM (hx/td)

474 330 Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:20 PM (nuLjn)_______ I'm bck. Kind of nt tired yet. Nothing was changed with the dog's diet - oh except my mom gives her stuff, but the farts are daily nd the people food diff every day nd mostly meat (some pretzels nd popcorn). She is going on 9.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 10:56 PM (opS9C)

475 NDH, I had a college buddy from Atlanta who would go ballistic at the mention of Sherman. We insular New Englanders had no idea what the big deal was.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 10:56 PM (96M6e)

476 453

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:56 PM (aSf5o)

477 I lived in Texas. I know all about the American South. They provide a large percentage of our troops.

Apparently their enduring "butthurt" doesn't keep them from laying down their lives for the UNITED States.


Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 10:54 PM (SI/pw)

I have always considered Texas to be more 'west' than 'south'....as in more gunsmoke than hee-haw.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:56 PM (nuLjn)

478 458

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:56 PM (aSf5o)

479 darii,

Well, I looked, and it turns out to get what I have, you have to call them and order the pieces separately, because they do not have a Mega starter kit.

But if you call them, and say "Tornado Tank Mega eGo C" (note it's eGo c, not eCo C as I originally wrote), they'll walk you through it.

They sell several starter kits for the eGo C, but one
is some kind of "twist" version (similar to mine but with variable voltage) and the second is standard size, not mega.

It's not hard if you just call them. They'll walk you through. You need:

1 charger
2 batteries
1 atomizer body (or shell)
1 5-pack of atomizers
a pack of mouthpieces/tanks (I think like 5 to a pack)
some kind of liquid (they will walk you through; premixed is easier for a beginner, but it's more expensive; concentrated requires mixing, but is cheaper)

and if you mix your own liquid, you need a 30 ml bottle for mixing, with the eyedropper top to fill the tanks.

I just did this with them, and they walked me through all necessary parts.



Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 10:56 PM (LCRYB)

480 I have a World Almanac Kindle edition, and I'll have read every single page by the end of January. Toilet, buses, waiting on lines, on an exercise bike. I jump around, but highlight every article I finish, so I can't ignore the stuff I've jumped over. I'm gobsmacked by how much basic geography and history they didn't teach me at the best public school in NYC. I have an ulterior motive for sucking all this down, but I definitely ask a lot fewer dumb questions day to day because I have more background 411.

As a corollary, I never watch a rerun of a TV episode I've already seen. I'm down to five shows I follow faithfully (Doctor Who, Big Bang, Mad Men, Fringe, Community) and most of those air sporadically, so I'm down to a couple hours a week. I was briefly hooked on Parking Wars and Hardcore Pawn, shows where unrelenting justice and cold reality smack stupid people upside their stupid heads, but festering sewers of racism that taint one's soul.

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 10:57 PM (a5ljo)

481 463

Oh, give it a rest.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:57 PM (aSf5o)

482 @468 Antisemite, masquerading as a Paultard, unmasked, decides to go for broke. http://preview.tinyurl.com/2vwud3v

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 10:58 PM (1V6Pv)

483 I really hate the term "butthurt." Can't people be original?

Oh, look, something else that our llarry hates. What a fuckin' surprise.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 10:58 PM (kpCLl)

484 So I was just reading the details of the guy who made "Innocence of Muslims".

Apparently his parole condition was that he couldn't use an alias. I didn't realize such a condition was possible.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 07, 2012 10:58 PM (AUeaU)

485 I am not even remotely confused. If you want to be a collaborationist,
fine.


Ah. Saying that it's not the end of everything means I'm a collaborator.

That makes perfect sense. If I don't agree with you that everything is finished, I'm the enemy.

Tell you what: To show you I'm on your side, I will now state that we're completely fucked; we'll never recover; the U.S. is done; and we've just experienced a disaster from which we will never recover.

Happy now?

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 10:58 PM (SI/pw)

486 466

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:58 PM (aSf5o)

487 461
I've heard that with e-cigs it can be hard to gauge how much you're
inhaling and you can easily make yourself sick. Any truth to this?

Depends. The liquids come in 8mg, 16mg, 24 mg, 30 mg, 36 mg nicotine.

You can vary the strength depending on what YOU like. I run 32 mg. I also smoked 2 packs of Winston a day.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 10:58 PM (d0Dmj)

488 I really hate the term "butthurt." Can't people be original?
___
I like to call it temporarily rectally challenged.

Posted by: Kal Penn at November 07, 2012 10:59 PM (AUeaU)

489 The election got me down because my family is not in a good place, and we're living off about 20K a year. For three of us.

That said, I can't let this kill me. I have a few plans in the immediate. First, I need to get the money together and finally take the courses for broadcasting and sound production I've always intended to. I have a natural talent for speaking and I record music as an amateur...so there's two potential careers. But I need technical expertise, which I lack completely.

Secondly...get a better social life with better friends. All my friends I've known for years are leftists. My best friend, who has been loyal to me and I appreciate that, used to even be a fan of Che. I can keep these people in my life...but having friends who only hate my opinions leaves me stressed and I feel I have to hide my true self around them.

Third, as I mentioned earlier...I want to start recording music again. It's been a few years, but it's incumbent upon me to use whatever skills I have to promote positive values and good intellectual thought. Not the sophistic crap you see everywhere. Unfortunately, I perform in a genre where there are literally NO conservatives.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 07, 2012 10:59 PM (626t3)

490 468

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 10:59 PM (aSf5o)

491 There ya go, circle around the weak calf...

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 10:59 PM (nbYoV)

492 This may sound as dumb as making the bed, but we only use cloth napkins now at meals. Wash them and reuse, sounds like a dirty hippie but it's nice.

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 10:59 PM (RGgMp)

493 >>>I've heard that with e-cigs it can be hard to gauge how much you're inhaling and you can easily make yourself sick. Any truth to this?

not really. I mean, people smoke too quickly sometimes and feel dizzy; you can, of course, puff way too much on the ecig and accomplish the same thing.

But no, it's not like there is a highly variable amount of vapor coming out with wildly different nicotine levels. A long drag is like a long drag on a cigarette.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:00 PM (LCRYB)

494 Drew J. from the FB group here.

I personally recommend a site called Mt. Baker Vapor for all my supplies. I have an order coming in that should be here Friday. I now get all my stuff from them. You're looking at $10 for 50ml of the juice, which should last you 1-2 months and their flavors are good. The batteries and other equipment they sell is also reasonably priced. They have a few kits, but I really like building my own stuff. I use the eGo battery with USB passthrough so I can charge while I use at home. I use both the 3.5ml and 6ml tanks for some of my juices, and the Smok dual coil mega for my Mt. Dew flavor. The reason for this is that any citrus and cinnamon flavors (including the Dew) will crack the plastic and the Smok mega has an aluminum wall.

If you are in the group and have any questions please hit me up and I will be glad to answer. I will put up a separate post there so if you don't know who I am already we can talk there.

All the best,
Drew

Posted by: Colonel32 at November 07, 2012 11:00 PM (GEYtr)

495 Quitting smoking is good. I need to do that too.

But my actual personal resolution in response to the current state of affairs it to go all out libertarian, and advocate it to the masses. And fuck any of you bipards* who whine about libertarians stealing votes.

If the GOP candidates didn't suck and get all hung up on social issues, libertarians wouldn't take their votes elsewhere.

Both parties suck, and the division is entrenched in the general population. People are blind to it and blinded by it.

I believe lots of Ds Rs Is are generally socially tolerant and fiscally responsible. The Ds Rs are too far gone.

Once amnesty kicks in, the Ds rule. Rs are done.

Free people can be drawn from Rs and Ds and Is, to the libertarian cause; enough to defeat the D machine. It's the only way out..other than SMOD.

That, and I just want to smoke weed and not get paranoid about the gov ruining everything.

* bipard - a derogatory reference to a bipartisan douche bugle.
also a bipartisan retard

Posted by: bad guy at November 07, 2012 11:00 PM (9Yg1a)

496 461

D/FW Vapor

http://tinyurl.com/auxnf6p

They are who I use since they are by the house.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 11:00 PM (d0Dmj)

497 Wash them and reuse, sounds like a dirty hippie but it's nice.

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 10:59 PM (RGgMp)

You said "wash", a word not in the hippie vocabulary.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 11:00 PM (nuLjn)

498 I appreciate this topic. Thanks, Ace.

Posted by: SamIam at November 07, 2012 11:00 PM (pAyr3)

499
I've heard that with e-cigs it can be hard to gauge how much you're
inhaling and you can easily make yourself sick. Any truth to this?


I'm not sure about making yourself sick. I did notice that there was no natural end the way there is with a cigarette. OTOH, I can pick up the e-cig, take only a few drags and put it down.

Posted by: Retread at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (zxitI)

500 I hear that mastering another language makes it much easier to pick up others. Or maybe that's within language groups such as French, Italian, Spanish?
Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:41 PM (nuLjn)

It has been true for me. German was the first one and I about went crazy at first. Russian is harder, obviously, but it wasn't so bad. The grammar concepts were already there. As for Hebrew, I'm just getting started but have already found some commonalities that it passed on to Russian grammar.

Yes I am a nerd. Why do you ask?

Posted by: baldilocks at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (Su0W2)

501 Oh, look, something else that our llarry hates. What a fuckin' surprise.

Cool! You actually [type "fuckin'" to make it extra earthy and authentic!

I'm impressed.

Can you type out of the side of your mouth, too?

Write "Hot-cha-cha-cha-chaaaaaa" for me, please.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (SI/pw)

502 NDH, I had a college buddy from Atlanta who would go ballistic at the
mention of Sherman. We insular New Englanders had no idea what the big
deal was.>>

I'm a Northerner but I would equate Sherman to being like the rape of Nanking. So yes I can sort of understand why their still pissed.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (plCGI)

503
Best cure for smelly dog farts:

New, more expensive, brand of food.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (tOkJB)

504 I have always considered Texas to be more 'west' than 'south
--

I've always considered Texas to be just Texas...like it's its own part of the country.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (F3s39)

505 Oops! Thought this was another "why life is still good" thread. Next time I guess I oughta read some of the comments to get the gist...

D'oh!

Posted by: Boomer Redneque is pretty much disgusted beyond words at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (eQnzo)

506 Sitting her pondering why my teen daughter wants a "bug-out bag" for her Christmas present this year. BTW the "Wheat belly" diet works really well- if you can stick with it. Check Amazon- author William Davis.

Posted by: Timwi at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (pdhxN)

507 Seriously, dude, copy and past the comment when responding/retorting.

Scrolling back to see who the heck you're conversing with is not cool.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:02 PM (piMMO)

508 On smoking--- just quit. I smoked 35 years, then one day, I had had enough. Laid em down 15 years ago. Just quit.

Posted by: Farmer at November 07, 2012 11:02 PM (iF0W+)

509 Apparently his parole condition was that he couldn't use an alias. I didn't realize such a condition was possible.


Posted by: 18-1 at November 07, 2012 10:58 PM (AUeaU)
He used it to obtain a driver's license. I'm not sayin' I think the guy should go to jail (I think he's getting fucked, but I also think he's an asshole). But, that is fraud and, even in Califuckistan, fraud is a no-no.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:02 PM (kpCLl)

510 377 368

"Ok, this scapegoating Christie thing has got to stop. "

No it doesn't.

Posted by: Scobface at November 07, 2012 11:02 PM (IoNBC)

511
my vow for 2013: watch Da Bears win the superbowl....and file the paperwork to run for HI-1
my vow for 2014: win that fucking election
my vow for 2015: watch Da Cubbies win the world series!!!

don't h8 you h8rs

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 07, 2012 11:03 PM (azBZB)

512 So is vaping like ham radio or RVing, a hobby where people reach across the ether or travel thousands of miles of back roads to compare notes on their equipment with strangers running essentially identical equipment?

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 11:03 PM (a5ljo)

513 So speaking of civil war generals, I never realized how bat shit crazy Stonewall Jackson was. The thing about him thinking his circulation was screwy on half his body and that one arm was significantly longer then the other...wow.




Posted by: 18-1 at November 07, 2012 11:03 PM (AUeaU)

514 @496

Help! I'm claustrophobic!! AAAAAAH!!!

Posted by: The Weak Calf at November 07, 2012 11:03 PM (9F2c1)

515 494

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:03 PM (aSf5o)

516 u butthurt bro?

Nice work deliberately missing my point.


Actually, I demolished your point. The "butthurt" you speak of hasn't prevented Southerners from being loyal Americans.

That was my point. Refute it.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:04 PM (SI/pw)

517 NDH, I had a college buddy from Atlanta who would go ballistic at the

mention of Sherman. We insular New Englanders had no idea what the big

deal was.>>

I'm a Northerner but I would equate Sherman
to being like the rape of Nanking. So yes I can sort of understand why
their still pissed.


***

Yeah. Some folks in Atlanta still take it VERY seriously. The other half wouldn't recognize the name unless he had been in a rap band or a reality t.v. show.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:04 PM (piMMO)

518 500 You're looking at $10 for 50ml of the juice, which should last you 1-2 months


Whoops. 30ml last me a week. At 32mg of nicotine.

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:04 PM (d0Dmj)

519 496

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:04 PM (aSf5o)

520 Been all philosophical the last 2 weeks. Probably because I don't have power. I read something totally unrelated to anything and it just hit me. Life is really short. So, spend it with the people that make you happy. Now, I'm younger than most of you so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I think it's good advice for everybody.

Posted by: Big T Party at November 07, 2012 11:04 PM (5TH5k)

521 Take no notice of the fact that it has taken me exactly one post to start talking nonstop about Jews.

This, I assure you, is just a figment of your Jew-addled minds.

Posted by: "Ron Paul' at November 07, 2012 11:04 PM (LCRYB)

522 Thanks, Ace. Great thoughts today. I have cancer, not caused by smoking, but I have tried everything to quit. Chantix is the drug morons are talking about: side effect is you can go suicidal. I almost did. So, going to go with the tornado, ordering it tonight. I read on another site that a cancer patient on chemo was just going to stop chemo. I actually contemplated that. Until I came here tonight.
Still devastated over yesterday, and wondering where people are putting assets. Dad died, mom has memory issues and I am on chemo. Not a great mix for thinking clearly. Maybe tomorrow you can do a post on Positive Places to preserve assets and stuff.
Thanks for the great work you and the cobloggers do. And, I miss Breitbart, (who only read the greatest commenters on the intertubes); however, he armed us with what he did. Keep your phone/cam at the ready, confront blatant lies with truth, and speak to the people, directly. Congressguys, too.
My other positive change is that I refuse to go along with the devolving culture, and will continue to speak truth to anyone with logic and pity, while allowing them to feel the full impact of what they voted for to crash on their heads, not just mine.
And, one more change, I am going to do: teach The Constitution at a nearby dual enrollment High School. I can't practice anymore, because of health, but I can pass on the knowledge I have. Who knows? Maybe one of them will make the kind of difference that I have longed to do. Sowing seeds, not having to reap the rewards.
Again, thanks, hoarde, you make life brighter just knowing my family in a box is out there. Godspeed in all our endeavors for positive change.







































































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Posted by: ShameTheShameless at November 07, 2012 11:05 PM (TFeHR)

523 I had no idea cinnamon had that kind of stimulant kick to it.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (LCRYB)


Cinnamon will also help control blood sugar levels in some Type 2 diabetics. It isn't permanent, blood sugar shoots up the minute you quit taking it, but it absolutely works for some people and they don't know why.

I think it's as little as a 1/4 teaspoon a day, too.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 07, 2012 11:05 PM (2rMmy)

524
I live here...I love it here. Good weather, good people. Seeing a concert at Red Rocks will sell anybody on Colorado. Can I get an amen?
Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 10:43 PM (nuLjn)

I concur. Saw Al Jarreau there back in the 80s when I was stationed at Lowry.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 07, 2012 11:05 PM (Su0W2)

525 On smoking--- just quit. I smoked 35 years, then one day, I had had enough. Laid em down 15 years ago. Just quit.


Posted by: Farmer at November 07, 2012 11:02 PM (iF0W+)

I've known people who did that . . . I am always gobsmacked . . . and jealous . . . Good for you, Farmer!

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:05 PM (kpCLl)

526 Blue

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 11:05 PM (nbYoV)

527 Ok, this scapegoating Christie thing has got to stop.
___
Christie screwed Romney hard....but he's a "Northeastern Moderate" what do you expect? Its what they do.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 07, 2012 11:06 PM (AUeaU)

528 510
I have always considered Texas to be more 'west' than 'south
--

I've always considered Texas to be just Texas...like it's its own part of the country.

Well, they do have that drawl that can't be confused with, say, the Carolina twang...but I'm only familiar with west Texas and Houston (a city which most Texans love to hate)

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 11:06 PM (nuLjn)

529 So is vaping like ham radio or RVing, a hobby where
people reach across the ether or travel thousands of miles of back roads
to compare notes on their equipment with strangers running essentially
identical equipment?


Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 11:03 PM (a5ljo)
Somewhat. yes. There are local meet ups and a very friendly and active forum at http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 11:06 PM (hx/td)

530 498

What the Soviet Union are "Neshamos?" Look, if you're trying to "explain" something, it helps if you use words other people know.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:06 PM (aSf5o)

531 532
On smoking--- just quit. I smoked 35 years, then one day, I had had enough. Laid em down 15 years ago. Just quit.




Posted by: Farmer at November 07, 2012 11:02 PM (iF0W+)

I've known people who did that . . . I am always gobsmacked . . . and jealous . . . Good for you, Farmer!


My dad did that after 40+ years and smoking Pall Mall Reds.

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:07 PM (d0Dmj)

532 The marxist Jewish cabal running the world wants America to fail. Gordon Duff told me so.

Posted by: Ron Paul at November 07, 2012 11:07 PM (jOByT)

533 >>>Ok, this scapegoating Christie thing has got to stop.

ehhh... I'm comfortable with it.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:08 PM (LCRYB)

534 "You said "wash", a word not in the hippie vocabulary.
Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 11:00 PM "
I didn't even think of that. I feel much better!

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 11:08 PM (RGgMp)

535 Still devastated over yesterday, and wondering where people are putting assets.

Here's a helpful link.

I'm sorry you have cancer, and I hope you can quit smoking. Suicidal feelings are simply feelings. They can't hurt you if you don't give in to them.

Be strong and read this article carefully.

http://tinyurl.com/aczpas6

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:08 PM (SI/pw)

536 519

Great men are often quite, um, eccentric.

Posted by: Big T Party at November 07, 2012 11:08 PM (N6l/o)

537 Ron Paul, are you by any chance quoting from the historical text called "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:08 PM (LCRYB)

538 Posted by: ShameTheShameless at November 07, 2012 11:05 PM (TFeHR)

Damn, that sucks. Have you ever tried the NicotrolNS? That shit is nothing short of amazing. If it wasn't so expensive, I would still be poppin' it up my nose now. If your docs haven't offered it to you as an option, please ask them about it.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:09 PM (kpCLl)

539 Life is really short. So, spend it with the people that make you happy.
***
I'm at about the mid point myself (well maybe not with O-care) but I have to agree.

Also - give new things a try, you never know what you'll end up liking...but don't something just because everyone else is doing it.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 07, 2012 11:09 PM (AUeaU)

540 Lol Jeff on survivor got voted out and left with a bash on Obama!!!!! He made 60mil playing baseball but really wanted the 1mil winnings from survivor only he said it would only be 600k by the time Obama took his share

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 07, 2012 11:09 PM (Ho2rs)

541 513

Control-F.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:09 PM (aSf5o)

542 First, STOP drinkingSorry. It's against the AoS lifestylemembership rules.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 07, 2012 11:09 PM (wSTfB)

543 #456: Donna, I realized years ago that it's much better to go outside to smoke. When your home smells like smoke, it makes you smoke more. That smell reminds you that you could be smoking right now (heen!). At one point as a yoot, living in a big house with three other smokers, I was up to three packs a day.

After I moved to a new place, I only smoked outside (required by the lease) and had zero issue cutting back to one pack a day. Ever since then, even though I haven't really had to in two out of my three homes, I refrain from smoking indoors.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 07, 2012 11:09 PM (RLZvP)

544 516

I think it does.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:09 PM (aSf5o)

545 >>> Ok, this scapegoating Christie thing has got to stop.

No way. Hating Christie is one of my resolutions for a positive life.

Also, I predicted he'd switch parties pre-election, after seeing his love-in. Laura Ingraham said much the same thing.

Chris Christie made a bigger difference than I thought. Sandy made a bigger difference than I thought.

And I was the dude harping on those points. But it was worse than I imagined.

So, with all due respect, I will protect the ember of that hatred and never let it go out.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:09 PM (SKX2R)

546 Wow, you are that big a pussy you actually do that? Sock puppet your own blog?

Holy shit.

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 11:10 PM (nbYoV)

547 Well, they do have that drawl that can't be confused with, say, the Carolina twang.
--

I love to guess the part of the country people are from when I meet them. Usually get pretty close. And like you mentioned, there are often distinct differences within a given state. I love the stereotypical Texas accent (west TX) even though I don't have much of an accent myself, grew up in and around Dallas.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 11:11 PM (F3s39)

548 My 51 year old brain is having an easier time of it than I thought it would and, being left-handed, I'm liking this right to left thing.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 07, 2012 10:39 PM (Su0W2)


Hebrew is written right-to-left because it started so long ago that it was an etched language and it is natural for righties to etch from right-to-left, as righties hold a hammer in their right hand.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 11:11 PM (X3lox)

549 uh, I sockpuppeted Ron Paul as "Ron Paul."

I think the two of you are going to have to go now.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:11 PM (LCRYB)

550 Suicidal feelings are simply feelings. They can't hurt you if you don't give in to them.

Who the fuck even says something like that? FOAD, llarry. I mean that. You are hateful.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:11 PM (kpCLl)

551 524

Rudely, you say?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:11 PM (aSf5o)

552 Great men are often quite, um, eccentric.
___
I have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by: Isaac Newton at November 07, 2012 11:11 PM (AUeaU)

553 Oh and since when can't we link to wiki in the url field?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (AUeaU)

554 Bro.. Get a motorcycle, pick any road leading a direction you want to go... ride, fuel, repeat. Life isn't very long. Do what you need to do to be happy.

Posted by: no spam at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (eTTgw)

555 VDH makes a good case in The Soul of Battle that Sherman's march through the south shortened the war and ultimately saved lives, by targeting the plantation owners who were the driving force behind secession.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (PD2ad)

556 I like the butter that comes out of your nut. It's okay if you only have one, I don't discriminate.

Posted by: Butternut at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (jOByT)

557
555 I love to guess the part of the country people are from when I meet them

I hate when people try that with me
i'm from Chicago and it drives me insane when people say we have accents

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (azBZB)

558 552

"You guys defensively changed the subject to Jews because I dared to mention the Communist Zionists."

Comedy gold right there. If not for the hash tags, i would've sworn that was Ace mocking.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (8Mgrk)

559 >>>Something to do with Jesus I guess....

you seem like such a normal guy. I can't understand why an entire mass of people hasn't flocked to your banner yet!!!

Okay, Ron Paul and this idiot fellow traveler butternut going bye-bye now.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (LCRYB)

560 533

Good.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (aSf5o)

561 535
510

I have always considered Texas to be more 'west' than 'south
--

I've always considered Texas to be just Texas...like it's its own part of the country.

Well,
they do have that drawl that can't be confused with, say, the Carolina
twang...but I'm only familiar with west Texas and Houston (a city which
most Texans love to hate)


Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 11:06 PM (nuLjn)

After growing up in North Texas, I moved to East Tennessee, and the accents are somewhat similar... West Texas is definitely different from East TX, and, well,.. Houston

Posted by: George W Beagle's mom at November 07, 2012 11:13 PM (JwW4z)

562 >>>Bro.. Get a motorcycle, pick any road leading a direction you want to go... ride, fuel, repeat.

personally I'm too old for that, but I wish I'd done that 15 years ago.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:13 PM (LCRYB)

563 542
Still devastated over yesterday, and wondering where people are putting assets.

Fireproof gun safe. Safer. Same return. Instant access.


Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:13 PM (d0Dmj)

564 534

Refute my arguments. (In the same post you "quoted.")

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:13 PM (aSf5o)

565 So speaking of civil war generals, I never realized how bat shit crazy
Stonewall Jackson was. The thing about him thinking his circulation was
screwy on half his body and that one arm was significantly longer then
the other...wow.


"What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when
they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't
hit an elephant at this distance. I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They
couldn't hit an elephant at this distance."

--General John Sedgwick, addressing his men seconds before being hit by a Confederate bullet that entered his skull below his left eye.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:13 PM (SI/pw)

566
Quitting smoking is all in the head, you just decide its important and do it.
I quit on trash pickup day, tossed the cigs and ashtrays away then soI would not be tempted to be going thru the trash to retrieve them at 2 in the morning.
It was a clean break, like burning your bridges behind you and driving on.
Just do it.

Posted by: GT 5.0 at November 07, 2012 11:14 PM (wb/qi)

567 Late to the thread, but 2 days after my Volt e-cig came in the mail, I quit my pack a day habit. Don't really miss smoking at all.

I did buy a pack last New Year's Eve, didnt particularly enjoy them. Haven't had one since. Nice conversation starter in bars, too.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 07, 2012 11:14 PM (X9Mnx)

568
Timwi,
Are those the bags that look like sports mascots (or similar) and you can turn them inside out? If so, I sorta kinda want one, too.
Billy Bob (if I remember correctly),
In my defense, I apologized for my long-winded post a few posts later. Can you cut an emotional female some slack on this one day

Posted by: BethinPA at November 07, 2012 11:14 PM (LWdPB)

569 Still devastated over yesterday, and wondering where people are putting assets.
***
Spam, shotgun shells, and toilet paper.

It will be the currency of the Obamapocalypse.

Honest answer? If you've got money, Obama's going to take it. There isn't a damn thing you can do.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 07, 2012 11:15 PM (AUeaU)

570 552
"You guys defensively changed the subject to Jews because I dared to mention the Communist Zionists."

Seriously, you made a caricature of yourself, and you did it in earnest. How is that even possible? I'm almost impressed. Are you pulling an Andy Kaufman? If so, kudos, sir. Kudos.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 11:15 PM (8Mgrk)

571 565

555 I love to guess the part of the country people are from when I meet them

I hate when people try that with me
i'm from Chicago and it drives me insane when people say we have accents


Y'all DO talk funny. Da Bears.

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:15 PM (d0Dmj)

572 Mirror Universe Mitt Romney,

We have to talk about your chat-etiquette.

Please, if you want to respond to someone, quote the part you're responding to, then respond.

No one reads you because you're referring back to posts hundreds of posts ago.

I'm not saying this is rule. I'm saying this will make your responses understandable. No one knows what you're saying when you say--

344-

good point

No one's going to page back to find out who said 344. Including the guy who wrote 344.




Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:15 PM (LCRYB)

573
576 Can you cut an emotional female some slack on this one day
~~~~sigh~~~~
you know there is a price for compassion here

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 07, 2012 11:16 PM (azBZB)

574 I don't know anyone who enjoys a smoke so much as they enjoy not craving one. Dunno, never smoked a tobacco cig in my life. (I've had 1 of the other kind in 2 years; was stuck overnight in Amsterdam during heavy snow.) Given the horror stories I'm reading, maybe the USA should just make cigarettes Schedule 1.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 07, 2012 11:16 PM (dZ756)

575 @575

Yeah. Mine started a nice little talk when I went to vote. Guy seemed kind of impressed.

Posted by: Colonel32 at November 07, 2012 11:16 PM (GEYtr)

576 555
Well, they do have that drawl that can't be confused with, say, the Carolina twang.
--

I
love to guess the part of the country people are from when I meet them.
Usually get pretty close. And like you mentioned, there are often
distinct differences within a given state. I love the stereotypical
Texas accent (west TX) even though I don't have much of an accent
myself, grew up in and around Dallas.


Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 11:11 PM (F3s39)

There are certain words that can be a dead giveaway to where you're from. If you're perceptive enough, even Nebraskans have an accent. Sometimes my Wisconsin upbringing shows when I pronounce words like 'about' and 'trinitrotoluene'

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 11:16 PM (nuLjn)

577 540

Not sure what to say.


Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:17 PM (aSf5o)

578 'Positive Life Improvement Thread'.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." - H.L. Mencken
yeah, prolly, a few prolly would improve things for me in the short term. But that damn eternal consequence, aka 'eternal damnation' has thus far prevented me.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 11:17 PM (1V6Pv)

579 I hate when people try that with me
i'm from Chicago and it drives me insane when people say we have accents
--

If we ever meet, I promise not to ask!

Did spend one of the coldest nights of my life there once, during a trip from hell with my sisters which has become quite a fond memory.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 11:17 PM (F3s39)

580 >>> Suicidal feelings are simply feelings. They can't hurt you if you don't give in to them.

Peaches, I understand your reaction to Llarry's words. Believe me I do.

Suicidal feelings hurt, full stop.

But I don't think Llarry meant anything bad by it or is hateful.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:17 PM (SKX2R)

581 Who the fuck even says something like that? FOAD, llarry. I mean that. You are hateful.

Psychiatrists say that. Psychologists say that. People who've had suicidal feelings themselves say that.

Such hateful people! They should all die!

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:18 PM (SI/pw)

582
579 no that was Saturday night live
not chicagoians
for the record: PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO DON'T FUCKING HAVE A FUCKING ACCENT!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 07, 2012 11:18 PM (azBZB)

583 573
"What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when

they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't

hit an elephant at this distance. I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way.

They
couldn't hit an elephant at this distance."

--General John
Sedgwick, addressing his men seconds before being hit by a Confederate
bullet that entered his skull below his left eye.

FIFY

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:18 PM (d0Dmj)

584 Oh, fuck you and who gives a shit. Die the fuck already. I'm through here.

Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 11:18 PM (wUFaM)

585 I keep getting coupons for something called verve. Not sure what it even is.I think I got on their mailing whilst trying to get free shit down at the race track. Texas holdem mailing lists free shit. I like getting free shit as well. I was considering getting one of these and I don't even smoke. Might need one for my glaucoma medicine once SCoaMF Care kicks in. Do you have to actually have glaucoma to be put on glaucoma medicine?

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:18 PM (NIZHJ)

586 Such hateful people! They should all die!
___
Yes...yes they will.

Posted by: The Long Term at November 07, 2012 11:19 PM (AUeaU)

587 552

Look, there's no such thing as "Communist Zionists." That's just stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:19 PM (aSf5o)

588 553

Sam, you really are quite annoying.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:20 PM (aSf5o)

589 >>> Psychiatrists say that. Psychologists say that. People who've had suicidal feelings themselves say that.

>>> Such hateful people! They should all die!

Alright, but I will say he's insensitive and not particularly logical.

Feeling like you want to die is "hurt"-ful. If he means you can't die except by, er, dying, of course I agree.

But as anyone who has been suicidal (or has stubbed a toe) knows, dying is not the only type of hurt.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:20 PM (SKX2R)

590 I quit once using the gum. It was more like my wife had us quit and after a week of her quitting I could see that it would be a lifetime of something else to for her bitch about, or just quit. The gum was nasty, and hurt your mouth, and $50 a box which on my budget at the time, I had exactly one box to quit on. Managed to ration it out and by the end of the box that was it for nicotine for the next 5 years. 5 years and 100 pounds in weight gain later it was time for a new plan. Started excersizing, and smoking, sometimes at the same time. We lost half the weight and got divorced. But thats another story.

Posted by: Difnick at November 07, 2012 11:20 PM (2t6Gz)

591 554

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:20 PM (aSf5o)

592 588
Suicidal feelings hurt, full stop.

Homicidal feelings are the bomb though.

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:21 PM (d0Dmj)

593 Did I miss the jump from "positive" to flame-war somewhere along the way?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:21 PM (piMMO)

594 But I don't think Llarry meant anything bad by it or is hateful.

Nothing could be more hateful than expressing sympathy, hoping someone improves, offering him the information he asked for, and reassuring him that feelings in and of themselves can't hurt him.

I'm a collaborationist who should die for all that.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:21 PM (SI/pw)

595 Night everyone. Try to be nice to each other... most of us are on the same side just trying to get through a difficult day. Peace out.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 11:21 PM (F3s39)

596 So...this thread is no longer very life affirming.

Hey Ace, could you do a moron a favor and share any pictures of Rubio's garbage you might have squirreled away?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 07, 2012 11:21 PM (AUeaU)

597 I avoid Verve/Whice Cloud/White Dragon/Blu. They are severely overpriced. If you don't mind an extra 2-3 minutes a day it's about 1/4 to 1/2 the price for the DIY stuff.

Posted by: Colonel32 at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (GEYtr)

598 I thought this was an E-Cig thread.

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (NIZHJ)

599 My favorite juice flavors, in case Ace or anyone else is interested:

Backwoods Brew's Casablanca
Backwoods Brew's Orchard Frost
NiteLiteVapor's Gold
NiteLiteVapor's Bounty Hunter
Alien Visions' Boba's Bounty
UpStomp's White Spur

Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (hx/td)

600 >>> Sam, you really are quite annoying.

As are you, Sam, Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney. That's why I ignore most of your posts and your intentional digs.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (SKX2R)

601 Well Peaches, what he said is kind off true though. Look at Poland as an example. Only 25-30 years ago they were under the yolk of communist dictatorial rule. Now look at them and what they have accomplished. Or what Estonia has done.

Repealing Obamacare is what will HAVE to be done eventually along with a winding down of the entitlement society. It will happen by choice or by force. It is easier to do at the beginning, but it will be done.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (7ri+z)

602 *As are you, Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (SKX2R)

603 I have not failed. I have discovered 999 ways that won't make a light bulb.

Posted by: edison at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (wSTfB)

604 They
couldn't hit an elephant at this distance."

--General John

Sedgwick, addressing his men seconds before being hit by a Confederate

bullet that entered his skull below his left eye.

FIFY


Wow. So they got him in mid-word.

I did not know that.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (SI/pw)

605 Yeah, we need some time outs here. Or some milk and cookies on our little rug squares.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (96M6e)

606
603 gnight mayday
i'm gone too, going to try to play mr. scary with the girl....we'll fail miserably but wth, she's still happy to be with dad

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (azBZB)

607 606
"I thought this was an E-Cig thread."

Do E-Cigs have real flames? If so, i think we're technically still on topic...

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (8Mgrk)

608 @607

Have you tried Mt. Baker's stuff? Of everything I've tried I found them to be the best.

Posted by: Colonel32 at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (GEYtr)

609 >>> I thought this was an E-Cig thread.

Well apparently that, and a few people above mentioned giving up masturbation.

But I thought it was about *improving* your life.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (SKX2R)

610 607
My favorite juice flavors, in case Ace or anyone else is interested:

Backwoods Brew's Casablanca
Backwoods Brew's Orchard Frost
NiteLiteVapor's Gold
NiteLiteVapor's Bounty Hunter
Alien Visions' Boba's Bounty
UpStomp's White Spur


Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (hx/td

A quit smoking thing would be to imagine flavors of what you used to smoke...such as 'crusty gym sock' or 'gum peeled off bus floor'.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (nuLjn)

611 "580 Mirror Universe Mitt Romney,

We have to talk about your chat-etiquette.

Please, if you want to respond to someone, quote the part you're responding to, then respond.

No one reads you because you're referring back to posts hundreds of posts ago.

I'm not saying this is rule. I'm saying this will make your responses understandable. No one knows what you're saying when you say--

344-

good point

No one's going to page back to find out who said 344. Including the guy who wrote 344."

Ok.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:24 PM (aSf5o)

612 I think you might be misunderstanding Llary, who's been through the wringer himself.

I do not believe he was saying "suicidal feelings aren't anything to whine about."

I believe he was saying that suicidal feelings only result in the harm if you give in to them. I think he was trying to say this is something that happens, but you can beat it just by not giving in to those feelings.

Given that he laid out his own troubles above, I strongly doubt he is some kind of asshole trying to say something offensive about anyone with suicidal feelings. I think he's trying to help, in a "this too shall pass" sort of way.

He also provided a link which I assume is helpful on the subject.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:24 PM (LCRYB)

613 590

579 no that was Saturday night live
not chicagoians
for the record: PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO DON'T FUCKING HAVE A FUCKING ACCENT!!!


Ok. Ok. Chicagoans don't. Folks from Joliet DO. :-)

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (d0Dmj)

614 At this point dying doesn't seem so bad of an idea. My last memory of my past life was getting the electric chair. So there is that.

Posted by: Catseye at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (c7wu3)

615 But I don't think Llarry meant anything bad by it or is hateful.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:17 PM (SKX2R)

The only thing that keep llarry from being the biggest asshole on this thread is you, spamwise gangrene. And this is coming from someone who has never had a suicidal impulse ever, but has known people who have. I can't believe I'm even addressing your pusfilled ass. This is the last time it will ever happen.

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (kpCLl)

616 590
for the record: PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO DON'T FUCKING HAVE A FUCKING ACCENT!!!

Oh really? On what planet?

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (53riN)

617 @615

No, no flames. Mine lights up on the push button. The ones that look like real cigs usually have an LED on the end to preserve the illusion. Those ones will get you funny looks in some places, but the eGo and mod kits generally get curiosity more than anything.

Posted by: Colonel32 at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (GEYtr)

618 619

okey dokey

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (LCRYB)

619 My positive experience today is I went to In-n-Out burger... Yeah! I've been on a low carb diet for a month and thought today would be a good day for a break!Oh, and obama sucks..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (9+ccr)

620 Yeah, we need some time outs here. Or some milk and cookies on our little rug squares.


****

I miss nap time.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (piMMO)

621 613
"Yeah, we need some time outs here. Or some milk and cookies on our little rug squares."

Hahahaha. Thanks for that one, Jakeman.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (8Mgrk)

622 >>> what he said is kind off true though. Look at Poland as an example. Only 25-30 years ago

Here is a truth.

Things go up, and they go down.

Maybe America and the world will go to hell and a handbasket in our lives. But there's no reason to think it will stay that way even if America falls, even if the world does.

I mean, the universe is a pretty big place ....

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:26 PM (SKX2R)

623 There are two types of people...

Those who fap then vap

And those who vap then fap

Others don't count.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 11:26 PM (VMcEw)

624 I make homemade candy coated pretzels with seasonally themed "sprinkles" on them and surprise my friends.
Makes friends happy and is very positive way to brighten someone's day.
But I'm married to a Jew so a ronulan would call them a Zionist conspiracy to enrich the Zionist Sprinkle Conspiracy that was hatched at the last Buildeberger conference.
Making fun of ronulans is also a positive life improvement.

Posted by: Nora at November 07, 2012 11:26 PM (RGgMp)

625

Umm, Ace, have you "*read* your masthead lately?

Posted by: Lily at November 07, 2012 11:26 PM (fOvLk)

626 >>> what he said is kind off true though. Look at Poland as an example. Only 25-30 years ago

Wonderful. Keep it up.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:26 PM (SKX2R)

627 "608 >>> Sam, you really are quite annoying.

As are you, Sam, Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney. That's why I ignore most of your posts and your intentional digs.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (SKX2R) "

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:26 PM (aSf5o)

628 I resemble that remark rickb223

Posted by: Catseye at November 07, 2012 11:27 PM (c7wu3)

629 613 Sometimes I miss Kindergarten. These "Juices" are for vaping? Vape-vape?

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:27 PM (NIZHJ)

630 612 Wow. So they got him in mid-word.
I did not know that.


That's the way that I have seen it reported in every history book that I have ever seen.

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:27 PM (d0Dmj)

631 "610 *As are you, Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:22 PM (SKX2R) "

Thank you. That means a lot coming from you.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:28 PM (aSf5o)

632 for the record: PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO DON'T FUCKING HAVE A FUCKING ACCENT!!!

Why do people from Chicago shout so much? It's a dead giveaway.

Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 11:28 PM (FcR7P)

633
@626

lol

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 11:28 PM (PHb2k)

634 >>>My positive experience today is I went to In-n-Out burger...

They have a low-carb version and it's great. Protein style. They just wrap it in lettuce. It works.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:28 PM (LCRYB)

635 Yes Butter, vape-vape. Not Akin-vape or Whoopi-vape.

Posted by: Colonel32 at November 07, 2012 11:28 PM (GEYtr)

636 >>> Nothing could be more hateful than expressing sympathy, hoping someone improves, offering him the information he asked for, and reassuring him that feelings in and of themselves can't hurt him.

I realize your intention is good, but it's based on a major underpinning difference:

whether one values life per se more or subjective experience more

And when you're hurting like hell (or even just philosophically), it's easy to value subjective experience more, as I do.

The fact is, the feelings themselves are the harm, the hurt. To say that feelings can't hurt you when hurt is a feeling is ...

Well it's something, but it's not coherent.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:28 PM (SKX2R)

637
They have a low-carb version and it's great. Protein style. They just wrap it in lettuce. It works.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:28 PM (LCRYB)

Yeah, I normally get that, but today I needed the real deal...Animal style!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (9+ccr)

638 No BethinPA a bug out bag is a back pack loaded with all sorts of emergency gear, so you can just grab and go as needed. My teen has a list drawn up, back pack picked out- not sure if this is related to 4 more years of Obama, but suspect it is.

Posted by: Timwi at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (pdhxN)

639 Chicagoites definitely have an accent. Those aren't usually fatal though.

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (NIZHJ)

640
613
"Yeah, we need some time outs here. Or some milk and cookies on our little rug squares."


And baby lambs.

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (d0Dmj)

641 642
>>>My positive experience today is I went to In-n-Out burger...



They have a low-carb version and it's great. Protein style. They just wrap it in lettuce. It works.

We have no In-N-Out here in the great boondocks of Tampa. I hate the west coast.

Posted by: Colonel32 at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (GEYtr)

642
for the record: PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO DON'T FUCKING HAVE A FUCKING ACCENT!!!


oh, y'all so totally do . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (kpCLl)

643 Alright, but I will say he's insensitive and not particularly logical.



Feeling like you want to die is "hurt"-ful. If he means you can't die except by, er, dying, of course I agree.



But as anyone who has been suicidal (or has stubbed a toe) knows, dying is not the only type of hurt.


I should've said "Suicidal feelings can't physically harm you if you don't act on them because after all they're only feelings."

I didn't mean to imply that suicidal feelings don't hurt. I thought that within the context of the rest of that post my intention was clear, but apparently not.

Still, it's sort of, well, stupid, to say that I wrote a "hateful" post. It's on a par with saying that everything is finished now that Obama has been reelected.

Histrionics are the order of the day, I guess.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (SI/pw)

644 A quit smoking thing would be to imagine flavors of
what you used to smoke...such as 'crusty gym sock' or 'gum peeled off
bus floor'.


Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 11:23 PM (nuLjn)

I don't need any quit smoking things besides electronic cigarettes. Its totally painless and non-stressful. I haven't even been tempted once in over 7 months.I tried everything to quit over my lifetime, cold turkey, gum, patch, support groups, drugs, you name it. Electronic cigarettes were the only thing that worked, and it was sooooooooo easy!

Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (hx/td)

645 625--

Yeah, Colonel32, i was just going for the joke there, sigh. Thanks for stepping in to put some knowledge, though. (i seriously mean that; it's nice when people try and help out)

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 11:30 PM (8Mgrk)

646 Time for something happy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6YQdhL6DV4

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:30 PM (piMMO)

647 >>>Umm, Ace, have you "*read* your masthead lately?

I think ire is important for animating oneself to political action but it's also bad for the heart. And probably the soul too, if that exists.

So sure, let's get ginned up and angry as the situation requires, but let's keep in mind that life is ultimately about...

Well, vaigzsh, but also happiness.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:30 PM (LCRYB)

648 This was a copy and paste error:

>>> what he said is kind off true though. Look at Poland as an example. Only 25-30 years ago

Wonderful. Keep it up.

...

I meant to say "keep it up" to the person who started a low-carb diet a month ago and went to In-and-Out Burger.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:31 PM (SKX2R)

649 I work with a girl who's father-in-law has never smoked in his life. He uses an eCig with ZERO nicotine. Chocolate flavor. He's diabetic. He gets his chocolate taste without messing with his blood sugar by eating real chocolate.

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:31 PM (d0Dmj)

650 >>>Yeah, I normally get that, but today I needed the real deal...Animal style!

eh. If I'm breaking diet it's not going to be for a fucking hamburger bun. It's going to be Cinnabuns.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:32 PM (LCRYB)

651 vaigzsh

what means that, master?

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:32 PM (kpCLl)

652 Hah ace!

So we lose twice consecutively with 'electable' candidates and radioactive positions on abortion, gay marriage and foreign wars... we face a demographic disaster as Allah apty pointed out... but going to a third party would be the disastrous move???

I defy you to show me a demographic route to political 'rubber meeting the road' once immigration reform comes through, Puerto Rico gets statehood, and the aging vestiges of Republican support die out. Yes dems don't reproduce so well, but they do bring in socialist allies from other countries, they do run the law schools (and produce they supreme court justices) and they have no trouble protecting the hallowed tradition of voter fraud which international visitors got to witness recently...

This is a straw man, this notion that 3rd party advocates are into omphaloskepsis and technical argot. We want conservative ideas to win. The important ones. The constitutional originalism, the financial sanity, the end of welfare statism. I know enough yankee democrats who would go for these ideas if divorced from biblical politics that I have to be believe there is another way to victory for conservative ideas. For if there is not, then we are well and truly doomed to a socialist technocratic nightmare that will last until China decides it is no longer geopolitically prudent to lend us money.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 07, 2012 11:32 PM (Kd6lF)

653 "641
@626

lol

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 11:28 PM (PHb2k) "

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:32 PM (aSf5o)

654 anybody heard from steevy?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 11:32 PM (Dnbau)

655 Heard Laura Ingraham say she wouldn't be surprised if Christie eventually became a Democrat. Harsh, maybe deserved.

I agree with dropping alcohol when losing weight, just replace your adult beverage with diet soda.

Posted by: waelse1 at November 07, 2012 11:33 PM (bfWxK)

656 I've been doing the One Day Off thing on and off.

I have to stop that because it's turning into "two, two and a half days off."

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:33 PM (LCRYB)

657 I can't believe I'm even addressing your pusfilled ass. This is the last time it will ever happen.

Could you please not address my pusfilled ass, too? I'd appreciate it.

Sort of tired of hysteria and mindless belligerence these days.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:33 PM (SI/pw)

658 anybody heard from steevy?


****

he's probably resting up. He now has four more years of posting SCOAMF in each thread!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:33 PM (piMMO)

659 i'm such a douchebag . . . do forgive, the only human flesh that has touched my peen since the Carter years has been mine own.

Posted by: llarry at November 07, 2012 11:33 PM (kpCLl)

660
I meant to say "keep it up" to the person who started a low-carb diet a month ago and went to In-and-Out Burger.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:31 PM (SKX2R)

Thanks. In 2000 I went on low carb diet and lost 110 pounds. Over the years those ponds edback a bit so I try to keep carbs down. Summer took it's toll so I went a bit more strict. Feel a lot better.. Just needed some "comfort" today!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 11:34 PM (9+ccr)

661 What's with the AoSHQ total capitulation? Know what I did today? In a very small way, mind you, I got a little economic revenge at the demographics that elected Obama. The young, single women who served me lunch and dinner? No tips for you, sweethearts. Ditto the cabbie. And guess what? No more tipping for 4 years. That's it. They can vote themselves their tips. I felt a little guilty at first... but that was soon replaced with a nice, warm feeling. Give it a try.

Posted by: Vote Revenge at November 07, 2012 11:35 PM (+5R2D)

662 I am going to tie a brick to the end of my dick to double it in size and in turn double the laies pleasure

Posted by: Hoo Dong at November 07, 2012 11:35 PM (rGC7s)

663 ponds e

"pounds" and creeped...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 11:35 PM (9+ccr)

664 "659 vaigzsh

what means that, master?

Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:32 PM (kpCLl) "

Ha! Have fun, ace.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:36 PM (aSf5o)

665 >>> I should've said "Suicidal feelings can't physically harm you if you don't act on them because after all they're only feelings."

Yes, that would have been a lot closer to the truth.

>>> I didn't mean to imply that suicidal feelings don't hurt. I thought that within the context of the rest of that post my intention was clear, but apparently not.

People interpret things differently, as we all must know by here now, depending on where they're coming from. And suicidal people are poo-pood a lot, and their feelings minimized, by society and individuals.

Trust me in that Peaches (who I'm not saying is or was suicidal, she could just as easily be more empathetic around the issue) is not alone in taking offense at that at worst, exasperation at best.

I'll say that I don't consider life the highest value for me and that in some circumstances I would consider suicide. I wouldn't agree that I can't be hurt except by suicide. I'd say that in multiple ways, not only emotionally, one could be hurt more by living, depending on one's values and the circumstances.

Anyhoo, you smokers really ought to read Allen Carr's book -- it's dynamite.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:36 PM (SKX2R)

666 Ace

You have really done a bang up job today.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 11:36 PM (r2PLg)

667 yuck, yuck

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (nbYoV)

668 watching James Bond on BBC America


It soothes me


I have no betterment plans, other than to out live, out love, and out last the bastages

Love you guys

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (Dnbau)

669 A personal favorite of mine.

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murders, and for a time they may seem invincible, but in the end they always fall, always."

-Ghandi

Posted by: Big T Party at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (qetj4)

670 Maybe America and the world will go to hell and a handbasket in our
lives. But there's no reason to think it will stay that way even if
America falls, even if the world does.>>

Watched a show about immigrants from the Ukraine that went to North Dakota in the late 1800s. It makes it really hard for me to feel sorry for myself due to our current problems. People that had nothing and moved to have a better life in sod houses in ND with their winters makes them taking everything from me pale in comparison. But speaking of the Ukraine it also shows what a totalitarian govt can do if it wants. Speaking the name Stalin should be just as bad as Hitler or Pol Pot.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (plCGI)

671 "pooh-poohed" a lot, I guess the expression goes

The other would be pretty abusive.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (SKX2R)

672 Best thing I have done in a long time was going on a paleo diet about 1 1/2 years ago. I'm down 30 lbs, feel better than I have since I was around 30 (I'm 45 now) and am lighter than I was then. A bit later, my wife and I started our own company (thankfully somewhat immune from the tax/medical stuff that is going to be hitting everyone next year and beyond) and have been trying and working toward independence. The more independent we are the happier we become.

It is one life, but without taking some risks and without really pushing ourselves we don't take the full measure of it.

Posted by: Buanadha at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (Z+3GJ)

673 "660 Hah ace!

So we lose twice consecutively with 'electable' candidates and radioactive positions on abortion, gay marriage and foreign wars... we face a demographic disaster as Allah apty pointed out... but going to a third party would be the disastrous move???

I defy you to show me a demographic route to political 'rubber meeting the road' once immigration reform comes through, Puerto Rico gets statehood, and the aging vestiges of Republican support die out. Yes dems don't reproduce so well, but they do bring in socialist allies from other countries, they do run the law schools (and produce they supreme court justices) and they have no trouble protecting the hallowed tradition of voter fraud which international visitors got to witness recently...

This is a straw man, this notion that 3rd party advocates are into omphaloskepsis and technical argot. We want conservative ideas to win. The important ones. The constitutional originalism, the financial sanity, the end of welfare statism. I know enough yankee democrats who would go for these ideas if divorced from biblical politics that I have to be believe there is another way to victory for conservative ideas. For if there is not, then we are well and truly doomed to a socialist technocratic nightmare that will last until China decides it is no longer geopolitically prudent to lend us money.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 07, 2012 11:32 PM (Kd6lF) "

Christianity.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (aSf5o)

674 One thing I think suicidal people don't hear enough is that when you commit suicide, you're not a victim... you're the perp. Everyone who cares about you is a victim. And regardless of how bleak things may look, there is someone who cares about you.

I struggled with suicidal urges when I was younger. I was cured of that when a friend attempted suicide and I had to help save him; it made me aware of how suicide hurts those who care about you.

Mind you, I wasn't cured of the depression and mood swings I'd always suffered; the thing that saved me from that (ironically, considering the topic of this thread) was when I took up smoking.

Years later, a different friend succeeded in killing himself. If he were somehow here right now, I'd punch him for it.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (RLZvP)

675 629
613

"Yeah, we need some time outs here. Or some milk and cookies on our little rug squares."



Hahahaha. Thanks for that one, Jakeman.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 11:25 PM (8Mgrk)

------------------
That's some funny shit right there, I don't care who you are.

Posted by: Not an Artist at November 07, 2012 11:38 PM (uRumV)

676 Here's a couple more for you that I got from book readin' that are fun AND self-improving.

The first is from a book called Flow, which is not about menstruation. It's about the psychological state that occurs when one is mastering and practicing a challenging task - challenging here has a broad definition. It's often referred to "being in the zone." Anyway, the book is an exercise in finding the situations when you get into flow and then purposefully recreating them. Being in a state of low, btw, has enormous mental and physical health implications.

I find flow listening to music, lifting weights, being in nature, driving, and fighting/sports.

The second one is from a small e-book called Flinch. It's a discussion of the brains risk aversion system and how it is unable to discern real risk in the modern world. The goal of the book is to get the reader to recognize when the brain is accessing risk to riskless endeavors and then acting in opposition to that impulse.

Practicing this has led me to do things like dance in front of people at the Post Office, master the power of cold water therapy, and and go for midnight swims in the ocean.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 11:38 PM (J4gw3)

677 "665 I can't believe I'm even addressing your pusfilled ass. This is the last time it will ever happen.

Could you please not address my pusfilled ass, too? I'd appreciate it.

Sort of tired of hysteria and mindless belligerence these days.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:33 PM (SI/pw) "

Ok, let's just drop it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:38 PM (aSf5o)

678 i'm such a douchebag . . . do forgive, the only human flesh that has touched my peen since the Carter years has been mine own.

"Peen"? Not familiar with that term.

Would it be slang, spoken by hepcats on goofballs?

And I like your coinage "douchebag." I've never heard it used as an insult before.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:38 PM (SI/pw)

679 Posted by: Vote Revenge at November 07, 2012 11:35 PM (+5R2D)

Well for God's sweet sake, please tell me you know that waitress was a Lib? I have two very sweet nieces who are raging Conservatives; they work at Cracker Barrel and make $2.50 an hour. Tips help them out a lot.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 07, 2012 11:38 PM (2rMmy)

680 Shamelessly stolen from insty, letter from Yale:



Dear Colleagues:

We would like to make you aware of a significant federally mandated
change which will impact Yale’s healthcare flexible spending account
benefit. Effective January 1, 2013, as a provision of the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act, the annual contribution limit will
be capped at $2,500. Currently, the maximum amount of pre-tax dollars
you can set aside in a healthcare flexible spending account is $12,000.


As a participant who contributed $2,500 or more in 2012, we encourage
you to keep this in mind as you begin to plan for your 2013
out-of-pocket medical, dental and vision expenses.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 11:39 PM (PHb2k)

681 I'll say that I don't consider life the highest value for me and that in some circumstances I would consider suicide. I wouldn't agree that I can't be hurt except by suicide. I'd say that in multiple ways, not only emotionally, one could be hurt more by living, depending on one's values and the circumstances.


Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:36 PM (SKX2R)

yes but you must consider its impact on those you leave behind.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 11:39 PM (Dnbau)

682 669
What's with the AoSHQ total capitulation? Know what I did today? In a
very small way, mind you, I got a little economic revenge at the
demographics that elected Obama. The young, single women who served me
lunch and dinner? No tips for you, sweethearts. Ditto the cabbie. And
guess what? No more tipping for 4 years. That's it. They can vote
themselves their tips. I felt a little guilty at first... but that was
soon replaced with a nice, warm feeling. Give it a try.


Write in the tip area, "Call Obama".

Posted by: rickb223 (eCig Vaper) at November 07, 2012 11:39 PM (d0Dmj)

683 >>> In 2000 I went on low carb diet and lost 110 pounds. Over the years those ponds edback a bit so I try to keep carbs down. Summer took it's toll so I went a bit more strict. Feel a lot better.. Just needed some "comfort" today!

>>> Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg

For $13, buy this and listen to it at least once a week. I bet you it helps a lot.

http://bit.ly/UxyWlW

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:39 PM (SKX2R)

684
I've livedin the middle east for several years, was in Cairo, just before the riots, during the unrest in the streets, so I've been around.
And after all of this this last 2 years:
We live in times that with strength and fortitude we will overcome - whether it be bad habits, poor health, or adverse conditions.
We are still a people who maintain the ability to do anything i

Posted by: Bannable at November 07, 2012 11:39 PM (OG/Pd)

685 What's with the AoSHQ total capitulation? Know what I did today? In a
very small way, mind you, I got a little economic revenge at the
demographics that elected Obama. The young, single women who served me
lunch and dinner? No tips for you, sweethearts. Ditto the cabbie. And
guess what? No more tipping for 4 years. That's it. They can vote
themselves their tips. I felt a little guilty at first... but that was
soon replaced with a nice, warm feeling. Give it a try.


****

SO! You've decided to put into action your own Obama-like asshattery?

You order a meal and someone serves you, a tip is part of the price of admission. If the service was bad, that's another thing, but the only point you made was that you will judge a person by their profession, not their politics, to be worthy or not of your good graces.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:39 PM (piMMO)

686 I get what Peaches is saying, because I felt that way last night. I saw people I respect trying to play positive and talk about how we can get through this...and I couldn't stand it. Maybe it's envy on my part, and I admit it's a fault, but these are guys with good jobs who work in politics or political related ventures. Life remains fine for them...hell, they may even PROSPER from another Obama term. It's easy for them to play positive...I can't. I'm not even sure I can afford to keep the home I live in. Another term for TFG has a real negative impact on my life short term.

Today, I got up and told myself I can't let that happen. I'm an American. Maybe most people my age have forgotten what that means, but I haven't. I'll make this work somehow. And the first step is actually ignoring the political ramifications and just fixing my life first.

After that...I can work on the country.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 07, 2012 11:40 PM (626t3)

687 Often I think of starting nicotine.

But then I look at the price.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 11:40 PM (r2PLg)

688 "675 yuck, yuck

Posted by: butternut at November 07, 2012 11:37 PM (nbYoV) "

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:40 PM (aSf5o)

689 666
anybody heard from steevy?


He mentioned on one of the threads last night that he was taking a break from the Q. I don't recall how long he said.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 07, 2012 11:40 PM (IlZPo)

690 No BethinPA a bug out bag is a back pack loaded with all sorts of emergency gear, so you can just grab and go as needed. My teen has a list drawn up, back pack picked out- not sure if this is related to 4 more years of Obama, but suspect it is.
Posted by: Timwi at November 07, 2012 11:29 PM (pdhxN)OK, that makes sense! I don't know why, but I was confusing the phrase with some sort of product I've seen on a late-night commercial.I think I'm sort of only half-processing. Sleep just didn't happen last night for obvious reasons.

Posted by: BethinPA at November 07, 2012 11:40 PM (LWdPB)

691 runninrebel,

Thanks, I think your wife mentio---

Just kidding. But I might read those. More the Flow one.

I've forgotten more about fear than most men will ever know. /batman voice

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:41 PM (LCRYB)

692 I quit smoking for six years. Started up again when my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer last October and was spending a lot of time at the hospital (ended up bumming cigs from the folks standing around smoking on the sidewalk off hospital grounds). I smoked for about two months and thought why am I doing this? There was no way I was going to be able to quit at that time and got really depressed, even more so. I was walking around the mall one day last January and came across a White Cloud ecig kiosk and made an impulse buy. I haven't had a cigarette since. Didn't even finish the pack I had when I bought the kit. I asked my cardiologist about them during my last visit and he said don't worry about it, nicotine is no better or worse than caffeine and there actually some studies suggesting it may help prevent dementia, Alzheimer's, and other diseases of that type. He did mention the increased blood pressure if you over do it. However with the exercise and modified paleo diet I'm doing, my blood pressure is in the 117/70 range so that doesn't seem to be an issue with me. By the way, my wife got a clean PET scan a few weeks ago and the cancer is all gone (yeah!) although I will definitely be bringing the ecigs to the hospital for the reconstruction surgery. Anyway, I highly recommend ecigs if you want to quit smoking. Cardiologist approved!

Posted by: Scott at November 07, 2012 11:41 PM (hn+oH)

693 The recipe thread snapped me out of it.

Then the Whittle Youtube video provided much needed new perspective.

http://youtu.be/s02SypCcYIc

It is long but take the time, even if you run it in the background.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 11:41 PM (VMcEw)

694
Ace said:"I think ire is important for animating oneself to political action but it's also bad for the heart. And probably the soul too, if that exists."

I have my ways of coping. Last night: depressed. This morning: Pissy. After a noon-time walk and a nice indulgent lunch: feeling better. After a good PM workout: Back to my oleself. I guess I work out my problems quicker than most.

Do you guys excercise? Highly recommended. And prayer. Awesome.

Posted by: Lily at November 07, 2012 11:42 PM (fOvLk)

695 I think I am done with politics. I think I will devote my time to something more productive like Skyrim.

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:42 PM (NIZHJ)

696 tasker,

thank you. I assume you are not being sarcastic.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:42 PM (LCRYB)

697 687
Posted by: Vote Revenge at November 07, 2012 11:35 PM (+5R2D)



Well for God's sweet sake, please tell me you know that waitress was
a Lib? I have two very sweet nieces who are raging Conservatives; they
work at Cracker Barrel and make $2.50 an hour. Tips help them out a lot.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 07, 2012 11:38 PM (2rMmy)

True dat...I always tip well, because it's nice to do and not everybody politicizes every fucking thing. If you can't afford to tip well, then don't eat out.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 11:42 PM (nuLjn)

698 All Bill Whittle's plans seem to involve me sending him money. I think he should get a job.

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:43 PM (NIZHJ)

699 >>> yes but you must consider its impact on those you leave behind.

Yes. But this must be balanced against the suffering of the person ... and also by the consensual nature of the relationship between the persons.

For example, I believe a parent assumes a duty to a child when creating a life. However, a child does not by mere fact of being born -- it had no choice in the decision.

The child may love its parent greatly, and that is wonderful. But if the child despises its life tremendously, I don't believe they should have to live because of pain that may be caused to the one who created the child, and gave the child a life that is horrible for it, however unintentionally.

There are strong feelings on that topic, but not all the arguments run one way, even though our society is strongly biased against suicide.

A bias which is slowly breaking, by the way, at least in select situations.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (SKX2R)

700 If you believe that a third party can be our salvation, I can only assume that you were stoned during high school civics classes.

We have a two party system. It was designed that way. No amount of impotent, whiny fantasy will change that.

Also, Ron Paul mouth raped my dog on the vagina.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (X9Mnx)

701 Post communist Poland is no doubt very different from pre communist Poland. Even if we recover from Obama's rape of constitutional America, it will be a different place than it was before tfg worked it over.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (PD2ad)

702 In 1992,sometime around mid-April (Springtime!) I had to close down my Auto Body Shop. (Tax issues were just too much). I had to let go 3 employees, and deal with a boatload of paperwork. I got home from the office and my wife informed me that we had a Carpet Crawler on the way!

I needed income and solicited a job from a friend that ran two local AAMCO Transmission Shops, as a Tranny rebuilder.

My Body Shop's specialty was 22-coat hand-rubbed Lacquer custom paint jobs.
By the time my son was born I was in the process of putting together a team of 1 engine builder, two interior upholstery techs and all three employees that I had to let go from my previous place, and opened up "Custom Cars Unlimited".

Even with this lousy economy, we're all doing just fine. (People are keeping their rides and finding (What we advertise) that it's cheaper to fix and "Make Awesome" what you got than buy some cheap Korean import.


Posted by: NathanB at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (so6lH)

703 No positive life experiences to report today, unless watching the Sunny in Philly episode where Danny Devito replays his mental ward scene from Cukoos Nest counts as a positive experience..

Posted by: Difnick at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (2t6Gz)

704 Posted by: Vote Revenge at November 07, 2012 11:35 PM (+5R2D)


You should probably avoid eating at the same place twice. Pissing off the people tasked with bringing your food isn't very wise.

Posted by: RWBuckeye at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (o5VCR)

705 #669 - I agree!!!!! no tips from here on out.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (Kd6lF)

706 Often I think of starting nicotine.

But then I look at the price.
Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 11:40 PM (r2PLg)

please don't. If its sarc, I seem to be a little tone deaf today. But don't smoke

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 11:45 PM (Dnbau)

707 I'm going to tell you right now, "Fake Trolls" are no longer permitted.

I will be banning fake trolls along with the real ones.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:45 PM (LCRYB)

708 I've been "vaping" an e-cig for three years as of October. I bought my first just out of curiosity, no intention to quit smoking. Within 3-4 days, I had quit smoking. Honest to God, they work. I now own two so I always have one charged. I buy tobacco flavored e-juice with nicotine. Yes, I still have the nicotine, but I've lost the tobacco and "other icky stuff". If you want more info on them, go to Electronic Cigarette Forum. Highly recommend!

Posted by: Barbara at November 07, 2012 11:45 PM (DyOl7)

709 People interpret things differently, as we all must know by here now, depending on where they're coming from.

Right. I have no control over how people interpret my words. Nor am I responsible for their interpretations.

Besides, I was addressing someone else who hasn't complained.

If he tells me I was insensitive, I'll apologize to him and assure him that I didn't intend to minimize his feelings.


Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 11:45 PM (SI/pw)

710 I keep trying to figure out why not even in the South are the college campuses safe from liberalism. I keep meeting feminist hipsters. Where are all the hot conservative girls? There's one area of my life I'd like to improve.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 11:46 PM (8LCi0)

711 I'll throw out a (sort of) success story.

A little over 18 months ago, went to the doctor. BP was borderline high. Blood sugar, too. Total cholesterol was fine, but triglycerides were through the roof (around 900). Diet and exercise, my doctor ordered.

Got a gym membership. Then worked with a trainer, three times a week, for about four months. Nothing quite like someone else putting you through hell and you both getting to enjoy it. Changed my diet. Heavy protein. Low carbs.

Pretty soon, weight and fat started to fall off of me. Dropped 50 pounds, took body fat from 28% to 18%. BP in low-normal. Triglycerides at normal. (the key, shockingly, was actually eating breakfast - a protein shake and an Atkins bar an hour later)

Hasn't been without issues, though. Getting older is a bitch. Fighting range of motion issues on my left shoulder - probably a torn deltoid, from plyometrics. Also an inguinal hernia. But even in a "can't work out heavy until I'm repaired" state, I'm still down a net 40 pounds.

Trainer wanted before and after pictures. I had no good before pic; used a photo of the 60 pairs of pants that didn't fit anymore that I donated so as to burn that boat, Hernando Cortes style.

It's been well worth it. Stressful days are less so.

Posted by: Kevin In ABQ at November 07, 2012 11:46 PM (q1qCt)

712 I quit tipping long ago. My idea of eating out is pizza at Sam's Club though.

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:46 PM (NIZHJ)

713 I highly recommend reading a short dialogue by Mark Twain, called "What is Man?" It has completely changed my understanding of myself and the world.

Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 11:46 PM (HYD/Y)

714 "703 I think I am done with politics. I think I will devote my time to something more productive like Skyrim.

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:42 PM (NIZHJ) "

Probably a mistake.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:46 PM (aSf5o)

715 >>> I get what Peaches is saying, because I felt that way last night.

I'm sorry you felt that way. I know it's not a pleasant feeling.

I am not a blow sunshine up someone's ass kind of person (at all) so I won't tell you the bad things you said might happen won't happen ... but happiness is not all about the polity.

It's mostly about ourselves and our closest mates.

And all of these things go down and up, which is to say that frequently a darkest night is followed by an unexpectedly bright dawn.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:47 PM (SKX2R)

716 Tipped the pizza guy $5 the other night, then the gf went out to the car and caught him trying to break into it. I'd bet $50 bucks he's a dem.

Posted by: Difnick at November 07, 2012 11:47 PM (2t6Gz)

717 704 tasker,

thank you. I assume you are not being sarcastic.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:42 PM (LCRYB)

_____________________

Ace

No not at all.

Thank you very much.

You really have amazing coping skills--and thank you for sharing some of them.


Plus--I was feeling guilty as hell about my--

Ace as Oprah jokes.

(I have a really bad sense of humor--but I amuse myself...if you get that.)

oy.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 11:47 PM (r2PLg)

718 Treat today like New Year's Eve and make a vow to improve your life,

I'm going to finish Skyrim this time, dammit.

Posted by: Methos at November 07, 2012 11:47 PM (hO9ad)

719 Hollowpoint, you are absolutely correct. The push for a multi-party system is part and parcel of the effort to undermine our Republic.

The only hope we Good Guys have to save things is to unite, not fragment.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 07, 2012 11:47 PM (IlZPo)

720 Posted by: Greg aka Romney Lost Big! at November 07, 2012 11:43 PM (DiKwo)


You are not on the correct side, you fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:47 PM (aSf5o)

721 >>> Changed my diet. Heavy protein. Low carbs.

You know, I'm noticing a theme here?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:48 PM (SKX2R)

722 Yes. But this must be balanced against the suffering of the person ... and also by the consensual nature of the relationship between the persons.


A bias which is slowly breaking, by the way, at least in select situations.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (SKX2R)


lordy, what a load of narcissistic bloviating. You really do not know what you are talking about

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 11:48 PM (Dnbau)

723 I struggled with suicidal urges when I was younger. I was cured of that
when a friend attempted suicide and I had to help save him; it made me
aware of how suicide hurts those who care about you.>>

I had an older brother who committed suicide. So yes it changes ones feelings on how they think about that option forevermore. Kind of like the option of abortion before you have a child. It's not an option it's a mistake.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 07, 2012 11:48 PM (plCGI)

724 715 Often I think of starting nicotine.

But then I look at the price.
Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 11:40 PM (r2PLg)

please don't. If its sarc, I seem to be a little tone deaf today. But don't smoke
Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 11:45 PM (Dnbau)

_______________

No--I actually think about just jumping to the gum or the patches.

I'm weird--I over think things.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 11:49 PM (r2PLg)

725 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (SKX2R)

Our society is strongly biased against life, you dimwit.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:49 PM (aSf5o)

726 >>>We have a two party system. It was designed that way. No amount of impotent, whiny fantasy will change that.

Just a quibble. I don't think it was designed that way *intentionally.* I think they intended a system with parties or faction.

However, based on the way they set it up, it only permits a 2 party system!

There is this great book whose name I cannot remember about the structure of American politics. Some people do not understand that this 2-party structure -- by intent or by oversight -- is hard-coded into the model. It will permit no other structure.

There is an In Party and there is a coalition which accretes to oust the in Party. This is the Out Party.

In every contest in America, there are only two parties, and it doesn't matter what names they have. There is the In Party, supporting the current officeholder, and the Out Party, seeking to replace him with someone else.

The way the system is designed is that the Out Party must agree on a single replacement or else their efforts are doomed (unless one faction is so dominant it commands almost all the power, in which case it's really just an Out Party plus some irrelevant minor parties).

This is the structure of the thing. It has been this way since they first figured out the 2 party system, and it will always be that way.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:50 PM (LCRYB)

727 Ace, I have a friend who smoked a pipe for decades. Eventually, his habit got out of control, and so he went to vaping a pipe. At first, he had to rig it up himself, but now there are commercially-available e-pipes that look just like a pipe.

He loves it.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 07, 2012 11:50 PM (IlZPo)

728 Okay, now it's a trollfest, time to go burn a parlie and watch tee vee. God bless MoronNation and the devil take the rest.



Posted by: Peaches at November 07, 2012 11:50 PM (kpCLl)

729 I never got my Obamaphone.

Posted by: Butters at November 07, 2012 11:51 PM (NIZHJ)

730 Tammy, are you the same poster that went by Miss Tammy?

I remember talking to a Miss Tammy during one of my non-lurking periods.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 07, 2012 11:51 PM (626t3)

731 693 et al.

Oh, goodie. A Resevoir Dogs community theater production. Great.

Yes, I'm adopting the tactics of the other side. Playing dirty is all that's left. Nice guys finish last, in case you haven't noticed.

But just to be clear... if I find myself in a diner in rural Texas... I'll likely be tipping, and tipping well. If, as is more likely, I'm in a slightly hip eatery in a coastal city... then I'm playing group identity politics. See my comment above about using the other team's rulebook.

By my rough calculations, I'm already removing at least $5K from my local economy and the hands of those who cast votes to steal from my pockets.

Now I call that "Positive Life Improvement."

Posted by: Vote Revenge at November 07, 2012 11:51 PM (+5R2D)

732 When I was a teenager my boyfriend's brother tried to commit suicide.

He shot his face off--and lived...

We had another guy our same age group commit suicide--about a year later.

In a really small town--10,000.

So-- ya.

I take people seriously...when...they ask for help.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 11:51 PM (r2PLg)

733 >>>VOTE FOR REVENGE! You betcha'.

Oh and ye shall reap that crop you have so gleefully sown; and soon.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 11:52 PM (GE1+K)

734 >>> At first, he had to rig it up himself, but now there are commercially-available e-pipes that look just like a pipe.

I've seen them. It's interesting. I thought about trying one as an affectation but I don't really pull off affectations.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 11:52 PM (LCRYB)

735 >>> Right. I have no control over how people interpret my words. Nor am I responsible for their interpretations.

Your words were badly phrased, as you admitted. To interpret them the way you wished, one had to translate them.

So this isn't a case where someone didn't give credit to the plain meaning of your words -- they did and responded accordingly. It's a case where they didn't jump to the subtext you had in your own mind. You're saying she ought to have read your mind. I did, she didn't, and that's how it goes.

Besides, can you have a bit more compassion for her feelings?

Or mine, for that matter?

Or others who've felt similarly?

You're right. I get it. You weren't saying emotional pain is real. You were saying though that physical death is much worse and emotional pain is relatively minor compared to it (presumably because it can heal). But not everyone sees it that way, and it isn't always true either.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:52 PM (SKX2R)

736 Days without an inebriation accident: 0


Posted by: derit at November 07, 2012 11:53 PM (I88Jc)

737 I'm going to tell you right now, "Fake Trolls" are no longer permitted.



I will be banning fake trolls along with the real ones.


***

Yay!

http://tinyurl.com/4yamq3s

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:53 PM (piMMO)

738 Tammy, are you the same poster that went by Miss Tammy?

I remember talking to a Miss Tammy during one of my non-lurking periods.
Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 07, 2012 11:51 PM (626t3)


You betcha! How have you been?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 07, 2012 11:53 PM (2rMmy)

739 >>> lordy, what a load of narcissistic bloviating. You really do not know what you are talking about

I'm saying that society strongly disapproves of suicide, but doctor-assisted suicide is now allowed in some states.

Which I think is a positive development.

I think people own their lives and should have the right to dispose of them if they wish. Further, not every life is on balance positive, whether measured in terms of impact on others or the experience of oneself.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:54 PM (SKX2R)

740 But not everyone sees it that way, and it isn't always true either.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:52 PM (SKX2R)

sam if you feel that way go talk to someone. You have a rather romantic idea about suicide, and you really do not know what you are talking about

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 11:55 PM (Dnbau)

741 I'm dumping social media like Facebook. Its a waste of time. If my family wants to contact me they can email or call. Also tomorrow I'm talking to the retirement specialist at work. The sooner I can get out of this shithole called California the better.

I'm getting rid of the people I don't want in my life and paying more attention to those I do want in my life. If you voted for SCOAMF I want nothing to do with you. Go sell your shit somewhere else. Charity? Nope, not anymore. I'll give to Homefront Hugs and the Wounded Warrior Foundation.

Posted by: mpfs at November 07, 2012 11:55 PM (Mkhiu)

742 So, does anyone have any ideas re: Obama supporting businesses we can start informally boycotting?

That would be... cathartic I think.

Posted by: shibumi at November 07, 2012 11:55 PM (z63Tr)

743 "719 I keep trying to figure out why not even in the South are the college campuses safe from liberalism. I keep meeting feminist hipsters. Where are all the hot conservative girls? There's one area of my life I'd like to improve.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 11:46 PM (8LCi0) "

Because in a technocentric society, geography and "geographical community" aren't all that important.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 11:55 PM (aSf5o)

744 Samwise - Suicide for children as a valid choice? What the heck is wrong with you?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 11:56 PM (opS9C)

745 Which I think is a positive development.

I think people own their lives and should have the right to dispose of them if they wish. Further, not every life is on balance positive, whether measured in terms of impact on others or the experience of oneself.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:54 PM (SKX2R)

Sam, you really do not know what you are talking about.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 11:56 PM (Dnbau)

746 I was gonna try to lose weight, but I've got to eat about 6 gallons of pudding I erroneously stocked up on.

Should be done with it by the time new years rolls around...

Posted by: Double Wide at November 07, 2012 11:56 PM (8qoXL)

747
<i>731I struggled with suicidal urges when I was younger. I was cured of that
when a friend attempted suicide and I had to help save him; it made me
aware of how suicide hurts those who care about you.>>is </i>

I read an article on Golden Gate Bridge suicides. Everyone who survived it (not many did) said that at somepoint, on the way down, they regretted their choice. They thought that the problems that drove them to jump weren't bad enough to die over - that they would have been ok. I know that really impacted me.


Posted by: Lily at November 07, 2012 11:56 PM (fOvLk)

748 I am improving my life this weekend.


I am going to buy a gun and sign up for shooting lessons.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 11:57 PM (qe2/V)

749 >>>and try to use sanctions, rather than combat

Wow iodine futures just necessarily skyrocketed.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 11:57 PM (GE1+K)

750 >>> He shot his face off--and lived...

That's terrible.

I hope he is happier now, although obviously that makes a bad situation worse.

It's one of the reasons I believe people should have the right to access a reliable, comfortable method of ending their lives.

Which we allow for our pets, but not for suffering people.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:57 PM (SKX2R)

751 Posted by: Double Wide at November 07, 2012 11:56 PM (8qoXL)

Still in the hospital, or home?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 07, 2012 11:57 PM (2rMmy)

752 >>> Sam, you really do not know what you are talking about.

Actually ... I do.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:58 PM (SKX2R)

753 So, does anyone have any ideas re: Obama supporting businesses we can start informally boycotting?


***

Pepsi comes to mind

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:58 PM (piMMO)

754 But keep in mind, boycotting Pepsi means no Taco Bell or KFC

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 11:58 PM (piMMO)

755 >>>>Then the Whittle Youtube video provided much needed new perspective.
_

I'm taking that very seriously right now. Not Bill's particular interest in space, but the idea that our original government was formed to suit the agrarian order of dispersed people living a "virtuous" life while the progressive behemoth we have now was constructed to manage the top-down, centralized order of the industrial age. And now that we are in the information age, which once again relies on dispersed people (virtually) making individual decisions and partnerships, we once again require a form of government which is horizontal or decentralized.

The main idea being to form parallel systems and services that will be better than government and will eventually replace the collapsing progressive state. And what ties this system together is information technology.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 11:59 PM (J4gw3)

756 663
Heard Laura Ingraham say she wouldn't be surprised if Christie eventually became a Democrat. Harsh, maybe deserved.



I agree with dropping alcohol when losing weight, just replace your adult beverage with diet soda.

Posted by: waelse1 at November 07, 2012 11:33 PM

Christie can't go Dem without union support, and the unions hate his guts

For a state that's bordered by water on all but 70 miles, you'd think the Fat Fuck would have an idea about burning bridges

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 11:59 PM (wwsoB)

757 I know what you mean about affectations, Ace. I don't see a real difference in the nicotine delivery system. My friend only does the pipe because the holding of it is part of his addiction. Also, real pipe smoke has a lot of vapor in it too, giving it much more volume than a cigarette per puff, and the e-pipe emulates that better than an e-cig. See, he was really addicted, in every aspect of the habit.

I smoke a pipe, too, but happily it's never been out of control for me. If I were to quit, however, I think I would just quit entirely.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 07, 2012 11:59 PM (IlZPo)

758 >>> I am going to buy a gun and sign up for shooting lessons.

On a serious note. That part where they teach you to every time, assume the gun is loaded?

Always remember that part.

And good for you. I hope you enjoy it and never need it.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:59 PM (SKX2R)

759 Also... I do have to add that I like actually like this thread and the recipe thread.

Seems like the last few years have all been about fighting, and we lost much of that fight. So maybe, just maybe, we can do other things here. This is a great community- I cut out many of my other conservative blogs, but will stay active here, because it's a fun blog. From the hobo hunting to the caturday photos and the ONT, it's fun.

Let's continue that.

Please?

Posted by: shibumi at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (z63Tr)

760 Our system is a two party system. A plurality system like those in Europe STILL ends up a two party system due to the needs for majority vote. So the people vote for a bunch of minor parties and then the parties all compromise when they get into office. Yeah, like ours better.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (7ri+z)

761 It's one of the reasons I believe people should have the right to access a reliable, comfortable method of ending their lives.

Which we allow for our pets, but not for suffering people.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:57 PM (SKX2R

I love my dog but people are not pets Sam.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (Dnbau)

762 #753 GM, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JPMorganChase, Citigroup, Ally Bank, Chrysler, and GE for starters.

Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (qe2/V)

763 Suicide is dumb, period. I've experienced some pretty harrowing and fucked-up mental issues in combination with clinical depression (dissociative disorders like depersonalization and solipsism syndrome), and while I wanted sometimes to just end it all I knew that it wasn't worth it, especially in terms of how it would impact those around me.

All things shall pass, including suicidal thoughts.

Posted by: Little Lebowski Urban Achiever at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (8LCi0)

764
I was gonna try to lose weight, but I've got to eat about 6 gallons of pudding I erroneously stocked up on.>>


What's the expiration date? Having a stockpile of food for emergencies is never a bad idea.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (plCGI)

765 757
Rockmom
I did that two weeks ago and it felt good.
Back to the range this weekend.

As for suicide, its not romantic its not easy. Its selfish. Someone has to clean up the mess, tell the family and dispose of the remains. Its scars everyone it touches.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (Mkhiu)

766 I'm going to tell you right now, "Fake Trolls" are no longer permitted.

I will be banning fake trolls along with the real ones.


And the Obama job-killing machine continues apace.

You know, ace, when you outlaw fake trolling, only the fake trolls will have guns.

Posted by: VJay at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (q5NFp)

767 >>>>Then the Whittle Youtube video provided much needed new perspective.

Some of it I've wondered if it isn't self-serving like he's setting up a business op for himself or his friends.

But.

Well, the current system's not working that great, huh?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:01 AM (SKX2R)

768 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:52 PM (SKX2R)

Oh, fuck off.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:01 AM (aSf5o)

769 I'm getting rid of the people I don't want in my life and paying more attention to those I do want in my life. If you voted for SCOAMF I want nothing to do with you. Go sell your shit somewhere else. Charity? Nope, not anymore. I'll give to Homefront Hugs and the Wounded Warrior Foundation. Posted by: mpfs at November 07, 2012 11:55 PM (Mkhiu)I find this idea appealing. I know so many Obama drones -- people I have to go along with to get along with -- and I'm wondering, really, why bother? They're not tolerant of my beliefs. There's no give and take in a relationship with people like that.

Posted by: BethinPA at November 08, 2012 12:01 AM (LWdPB)

770 Hey I'm all for beating women if they get out of line too!

Posted by: Samwise da 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:01 AM (jOByT)

771 Besides, can you have a bit more compassion for her feelings?

Hers? No. But that's okay. She holds me in contempt and thinks I'm a collaborationist, so I'm sure she doesn't want my compassion.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 12:02 AM (SI/pw)

772 I read an article on Golden Gate Bridge suicides. Everyone who survived
it (not many did) said that at somepoint, on the way down, they
regretted their choice. They thought that the problems that drove them
to jump weren't bad enough to die over - that they would have been ok. I
know that really impacted me.


****

I read that too!

There was a young man who made a deal with himself that if even one person tried to intervene, he wouldn't go through with it yet, after lingering on the bridge for some time, the only person who approached him was a woman wanting him to take picture of her.

He said the moment he jumped he realized that everything he had thought couldn't be resolved, could be,...all with the exception of jumping from the bridge.

Really powerful.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 12:02 AM (piMMO)

773 Frikkin' amazing Ace-- you read my mind!-- i had quit smoking for 10 years and took it up again on a lark just over a year ago... i've been wanting to quit but hadn't so i just did today (well before reading your post)-- i would suggest, however, instead of all that bullshit you have to go through with eye-droppers and vapor tanks and such to use a product called "Green Smoke"-- battery, cartridges and nothing else other than a charger-- but them online with various strengths, flavors etc.-- i'm workin' one now as i write this-- i'm using my disappointment in America voting for Santa Claus into a positive thing... quit smoking and i deactivated my Facebook acct.-- both will help my health and my mood-- glad you quit, keep it up!

Posted by: tomc at November 08, 2012 12:02 AM (avEuh)

774 As for suicide, its not romantic its not easy. Its selfish. Someone has to clean up the mess, tell the family and dispose of the remains. Its scars everyone it touches.
Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (Mkhiu)


This. This is the reality.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (Dnbau)

775 @Tammy:

Alright, I guess. As I said earlier in the thread, I've been helping my mom and brother survive off my grand 20k a year salary. My mom lost her job because of O'care (she's had lots of health problems like Lupus and a stroke as well), and my brother...long story. So, it's 20k and my mom's savings and severance pay.

We're probably alright for about a year, so in the meantime I'm looking at the best option on the cheap to get some broadcasting and/or sound production courses. From what I understand they do good work at job placement so it's really a no brainer.

Aside from that...not much. Whenever my family is stable, I need to get out of IL. Everyone my age is a liberal. And yeah, I just remember you being nice when I was new here and wanted to let you know I think you're awesome. Peaches was real nice to me, as well.


Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (626t3)

776 It's my birthday. 23 more years till I can get on the dole.

Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (NIZHJ)

777 >>> I love my dog but people are not pets Sam.

We ought to treat people better.

They shouldn't have to painfully hang them-self, dying alone, like my friend did in June.

The shouldn't have to be scarred and maimed in umpteen failed attempts.

And at the end of the day, it's THEIR life. They should be able to decide based on their values and experience of life what they wish to do.

Not you.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (SKX2R)

778 Oh man.

Brian Williams on David Letterman. The world may implode from the sheer weight of douchebaggery.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (piMMO)

779 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:54 PM (SKX2R)

"Great." Now take your own advice.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (aSf5o)

780 Let's continue that.

Please?


Okay. For you, I'll stop.

Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 12:04 AM (SI/pw)

781
I've been mostly on paleo for about 4 years. After my wife started popping out babies, I fell off the wagon a bit and started getting too many carbs from fruit and cheating with milk. I gained back most of my lost weight. About a week ago, I cut out the milk and went to strictly berries and melon for my fruits.I'm already down a surprising amount of weight. Paleo is awesome.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 08, 2012 12:04 AM (QyMDY)

782 >>> i would suggest, however, instead of all that bullshit you have to go through with eye-droppers and vapor tanks and such to use a product called "Green Smoke"-- battery, cartridges and nothing else other than a charger-

it's a lot cheaper to buy the liquid and fill the tanks yourself. I can't argue with teh convenience of what you suggest but there is a big, big cost difference.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2012 12:04 AM (LCRYB)

783 "744 Samwise - Suicide for children as a valid choice? What the heck is wrong with you?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 11:56 PM (opS9C) "

The Culture of Death.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:05 AM (aSf5o)

784 >>> Samwise - Suicide for children as a valid choice?

I was talking about "relationships between the persons" not about being a minor as such.

However, yeah, I suppose I would agree that a child that hated their life should have the right. I would never expected that to be passed into law.

But to just create a thinking, feeling being out of nothing, and now it's in the world, and it doesn't like it -- do I think there's an ethical case why it has to stay?

No, I don't.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (SKX2R)

785 Is this thing on. Comment jamned up.

Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (NIZHJ)

786 753
So, does anyone have any ideas re: Obama supporting businesses we can start informally boycotting?
***

Pepsi comes to mind

754
But keep in mind, boycotting Pepsi means no Taco Bell or KFC



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November


762
#753 GM, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JPMorganChase, Citigroup, Ally Bank, Chrysler, and GE for starters.


Posted by: rockmom at November 08, 2012

Thank you both for the suggestions! Right now, I only really do regular business with one on the list, and I can actually get rid of them.

Any other ideas out there? I'm thinking of putting together a "Conservatives Don't Get Mad, Get Even" list of people we can choose not to do business with.


Posted by: shibumi at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (z63Tr)

787 Oh, Crazee...wow. I am so sorry to hear about what you've been going through....that sounds so freaking cliched, but I do mean it.


We need to have you and Capt Whitebread talk. I think he's a radio guy and might know some little something.


Also, Steve in Lkwd has some local TV production experience, I think.

Guys...y'all out there with words of wisdom for us here? for

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (2rMmy)

788 When I was a kid I tried to kill myself, and was locked up for months. Am quite glad I did not do it. Had another bad episode few years ago where I was planning it in secret. Some how snapped out of it.Known fe people who did it several yrs go. It devastated all those round them, and ruined the memories of said people. Kind of a lousy thing to do to their friends and family.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (opS9C)

789 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:58 PM (SKX2R)

Stop trolling. You have nothing to be unhappy about. Your side won, and has been winning for a long time.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:07 AM (aSf5o)

790 They shouldn't have to painfully hang them-self, dying alone, like my friend did in June.

The shouldn't have to be scarred and maimed in umpteen failed attempts.

And at the end of the day, it's THEIR life. They should be able to decide based on their values and experience of life what they wish to do.

Not you.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (SKX2R)

sounds like it affected you pretty badly. Its hard wondering if someone you care about is gonna kill themself, sort of puts you on suicide watch doesn't it? Makes you feel responsible.

You should go talk to someone

Posted by: Thunderb at November 08, 2012 12:07 AM (Dnbau)

791 Taco Hell?

Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:07 AM (NIZHJ)

792 >>> "Great." Now take your own advice.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM

Once again, highlighting the point I made the other day that a lot of people here aren't very kind.

I was planning on it, actually. I still may. But at the moment I don't want to, and I'll decide for myself, despite your malicious and ghoulish exhortation.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:07 AM (SKX2R)

793 I'd never stiff a server; often, they have to give a portion of their gross sales to other workers at the restaurant, usually somewhere in the 3-5% range. So, if you stiff a waitress, you're actually making her shell out money for the privilege of serving you.

I've always been rather generous with my tips; I usually tip 30% or so. Now, though, I'm strongly considering cutting back on tipping in the future, because I'm sure the vast majority of waiters and waitresses voted for Obama.

It's a tough decision. I don't want to reward them for voting to take money from producers for a short-sighted "benefit", but I do like walking into restaurants I frequent and having them want to take care of me.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 12:08 AM (RLZvP)

794 Ace,

Thanks for the positive threads today. You helped a frequent lurker deal with a crushing day and learn a few things, such as adding cinnamon to my coffee tomorrow morning. Thanks again.

Posted by: Badger D. at November 08, 2012 12:08 AM (1UD6H)

795 However, yeah, I suppose I would agree that a child that hated their life should have the right. I would never expected that to be passed into law.

But to just create a thinking, feeling being out of nothing, and now it's in the world, and it doesn't like it -- do I think there's an ethical case why it has to stay?

No, I don't.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (SKX2R)


Sam that is just sick. Get help. Not here.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 08, 2012 12:09 AM (Dnbau)

796 >>>. You helped a frequent lurker deal with a crushing day and learn a few things, such as adding cinnamon to my coffee tomorrow morning. Thanks again.

good glad to hear it. You'll be surprised by the cinnamon.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2012 12:10 AM (LCRYB)

797 forgive me, i'm canadian, but why do you say the two party thing is irrevocably baked into the cake? i ask because i honestly don't know.

and again, if 48% is destined to become 46%-->44% and so on down, is the current conservative alliance the best we have left?

my advanced degree holding colleagues who are inured of the academy understand the force of the financial conservative argument, but they can't bring themselves to vote against abortion, gay rights and so forth. I don't see a Republican party being able to take on those positions to get those votes at the cost of the SoCons.

we tried ignoring the poll data, now will we ignore the census data? Yes a 3rd party is necessarily a long-game approach. But ace i respect the hell out of you, so please meet me where i'm at and explain what our superior short-game option is. thank you.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:10 AM (Kd6lF)

798 >>> You should go talk to someone
Posted by: Thunderb at November 08, 2012 12:07 AM

Thank you for being one of the many kind and decent people here, despite our difference of opinion over this topic.

I have. At the end of the day, it's still my call.

And I do appreciate your caring.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:10 AM (SKX2R)

799 784 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (SKX2R) - _________ Let's just say I disagree. I am truly sorry about your friend.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 12:10 AM (opS9C)

800 I never heard of the cinnamon trick before this thread either. Gonna try it in the morning!

Posted by: Double Wide at November 08, 2012 12:10 AM (8qoXL)

801 >>>a lot of people here aren't very kind.
No!

Say it isn't so!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 08, 2012 12:10 AM (GE1+K)

802 Improve your life while you still give a shit. You won't always.

Posted by: Moana at November 08, 2012 12:11 AM (Rilbs)

803 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:01 AM (SKX2R)

Yes. I sure hope he isn't practicing Capitalism. That would be "evil."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:11 AM (aSf5o)

804 Cinnamon in coffee. Some people are taking Cinnamon pills now. Seems like a waste.

Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:11 AM (NIZHJ)

805 Speaking of cinnamon, I will be brewing a holiday spice IPA with cinnamon, clove and nutmeg. I will keep notes and report back.

Posted by: sTevo at November 08, 2012 12:11 AM (VMcEw)

806 night everybody

Posted by: Thunderb at November 08, 2012 12:12 AM (Dnbau)

807 Several weeks ago I woke up with bad back pain and I was feeling drained, sleeping 12 hours a day. It did not last but it really made me think about just eating better so I won't end up a diabetic or dead of a heart attack at 45. So since then I have tried to drastically lower my consumption of sugar and carbs. I mostly drink water and iced tea with artificial sweetener, occasionally a diet soda. If I lose weight from it that will be a plus but I don't consider myself to be on a diet and that helps a lot in re-enforcing my will power. I am not on a diet I am just being more healthy about what I eat and drink from now on because living long seems worth it.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 08, 2012 12:12 AM (yE5/V)

808 I think people own their lives and should have the
right to dispose of them if they wish.

Further, not every life is on
balance positive, whether measured in terms of impact on others or the
experience of oneself.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 11:54 PM (SKX2R)

To take the concept further, don't we all know someone who simply does not produce or contribute whatsoever to society? We should rid ourselves of such.............Yer a gem, dickwipe. Part of the Culture of Death, you is. I'd run or mace you if I encountered you in a dark alley. Phew.

Posted by: Derak at November 08, 2012 12:12 AM (lkjWK)

809
*sets computer to order cinnamon futures at market open*
*sell tobacco*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 12:12 AM (PHb2k)

810 Well, maybe I take it back then.

My position is pretty simple: pain is very real and is often extreme. A person should not have to endure that if they don't wish, and we shouldn't impose it on others against their will.

It is a long-established and classic argument in favor of the right to die. It's been debated by philosophers since ancient times.

Suicide is generally permitted in certain circumstances in Stoic thought, a school of thought I hold close to, which is probably why I link to a comment about it in my username.

I think it's sick to insist that someone who is in so much pain that they don't want to live be forced to endure yet more pain ... but that is your position.

I find it abhorrent and ghastly, but I realize it's popular in this culture. Other cultures looked at it differently.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:13 AM (SKX2R)

811
My advice to improve your life is to find a church to belong to. Seriously. As a precher's wife and a Christian I know all the hangups people may have with church people. But that's because they are human and people are the way they are because of that. I fell in love with the church back in high school. They were my family away from family. They are a support system. They are good for you. Most of them are good, honest, kind, generous and decent people. Having a church is good for you.


And now I'm off to bed. I must worktomorrow so some lazy bum can have their health woes paid for.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 08, 2012 12:13 AM (DoZD+)

812 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (SKX2R)

Yes. Leftism should be defeated. I'm sure you agree.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (aSf5o)

813 Cinnamon regulates blood sugar as well.

Posted by: Moana at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (Rilbs)

814 Just because nobody has mentioned guns in a few posts- if you like to shoot more than a few times a year, consider a handloading kit. Lee makes a pretty inexpensive starter kit, or you can regularly find used gear.

It's a fun hobby, you'll learn a lot about ammo and accuracy, and your handloads will be half the cost of new ammo at twice the quality.

You wont save money in the long run, only because you'll shoot twice as much!

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (X9Mnx)

815 I put a tablespoon of grass-fed butter and a tablespoon of coconut oil in my coffee and whip it with a milk foamer thing. I try to get three cups in for breakfast. I feel great for hours.

It's called bulletproof coffee.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (J4gw3)

816 Stoic thought? Who lives there? I wonder what the taxes are like?

Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (NIZHJ)

817 You can add Microsoft, Google, Time Warner, Comcast and AARP to the boycott list.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (hx/td)

818 Positive self-improvement. I have so much potential for improvement...but I think I'll start on getting my finances in order. I like the sounds of that 5 deep breaths an hour. I think I can do that.

I really should let all the dogs sniff me once a day. Normally that's Mr sinmi's pleasure cause I get home late, but it would make both me and the dogs happier.

Thanks for letting us play in your blog ace.

Posted by: sinmi on the phone at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (jlff+)

819 I am going to buy a gun and sign up for shooting lessons.>>

Have you picked the gun you want yet?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM (plCGI)

820 Samwise - Please don't let words on screen wreck you. I wish you the best and hope you turn away from believing suicide is valid choice.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM (opS9C)

821 Tammy, thanks. That's why I was down about the election...I was banking on a boom to get my family jobs. lol I mean, even my job sucks. But...that's life. I'll try to keep an eye out for those guys. I just know that radio and TV has been my passion for years. I used to always have people tell me I should have a radio show. So...why not? I've spent too many years wasting my life.

I kind of feel thankful for one thing, which is that I was engaged to a very liberal girl in 2003/2004 before my conversion. That is one person who will suffer from the Obamaocalypse that makes me happy as hell. And since this is AoS...no, she wasn't hot enough to make it worthwhile. Heh.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM (626t3)

822 I absolutely respect everyone's decisions to do what they can to make Obama voters suffer the consequences of their actions, but I'd still feel kinda squeamish about not tipping someone based solely on the fact that they're waiting tables.

Now, in areas like San Francisco, it may be a given that they're Libs, but most likely so is the owner and you'd make a bigger statement by not eating there, period. Plus, no sales tax for the shithole city.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM (2rMmy)

823 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (SKX2R)

Maybe the world is the problem, you fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM (aSf5o)

824 I stopped watching television 10-15 years ago.

I don't use any social media other than Linkedin and that is for when I am looking for a job or trying to find someone who can do a job.

I quit drinking 5 years ago.

I stoped smoking 6 mos ago by using an ecig and I found that it was relatively easy and my doctor says it is 100s times better for my health than cigs. I'm an engineer and I find the technology fascinating.

I stay low/very low on carbs.

I need to loose about 20 lbs to get to my ideal weight (I'm 6'2") and I have been working on that.

I'm 57 and in decent mental, physical and spiritual shape. It takes work on all three fronts.

I'm also a very happy guy.

My only worry is for the future of my teenage son.

I would recommend any of there lifestyle attributes to anyone.


Posted by: pawn at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM (iMsF6)

825 Sam, I don't know you, but personally, I think it's a godawful idea to commit suicide.

Unless you are already looking at a painful incurable disease with a sure end, it's crazy.

Whether you believe in god or not, the universe around you is awesome and you commit a horrible mistake by not seeing as much of it and experiencing as much of it as you can.

If you don't believe in god, which I assume you don't (otherwise you wouldn't be talking about suicide as merely an ethical question), then at death you will simply cease to exist. You will experience nothing more.

In the entire eternity of the universe, you have already missed out almost all of it. You didn't exist for 14 billion years. You will not exist for the trillion years to come after.

This is it. These precious few years which clever proteins have managed to gift you. This is all, then comes the Nothingness. Forever.

This is it.

I am not a doctor but your emotional level is almost certainly pitched too low. Your brain chemistry runs to the deeply depressed.

It is sad that depression not only saps a life of color and joy but also precludes the person suffering it from seeking the simple cure for it.

Depression can be cured. Before you go committing suicide, why don't you at least see if a simple biochemical adjustment will help you?

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM (LCRYB)

826 756: I know that really impacted me.

Impacted you.

Posted by: California red at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (DXTKe)

827 >>> To take the concept further, don't we all know someone who simply does not produce or contribute whatsoever to society?

Well, that's a collective, socialist idea, isn't it? (as are forcible anti-suicide positions, ironically)

That was basically Hitler's argument: killing whomever lagged behind or got in the way.

That's not my position.

My position is it is a provable fact that humans do things like shoot themselves and they shouldn't have to just blow half their faces off in a horror show. We should allow them to die as humanely as we do our pets, at least.

I think it's a kind, caring position.

In any case, it's not like one can avoid death. It's going to happen. I say, if a person wants a softer death, one where they don't suffer and gasp out their last breath in fully conscious pain and fear, that's their right.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (SKX2R)

828 >>>>It's called bulletproof coffee.



Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (J4gw3)

Yeah thats great, your wife made that for me when you were out of town.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (PHb2k)

829 So far, I use none of the products listed. Easy boycott. Now I'll tell them.

Posted by: Moana at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (Rilbs)

830 Samwise,
Maybe you should ask a medical examiner's office if you could do ride alongside. I'm not being snarky either. Once you get to experience the tragedy of suicide up close and personal it isn't pretty at all. Its awful. Growing up the way I did around death everyday makes you appreciate everyday you have on this earth. Nothing is worse than telling a family that there loved one killed themselves. Then they want to know why? Why did they do it? How did they do it? Can we see the body? Its beyond description and it takes a small piece of your soul every time you have to do it.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (Mkhiu)

831 you want to die? We will all be dead in moments.

Death is coming for us all. And you will be dead a very long time.

We are alive only moments. Only moments.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (LCRYB)

832 You can add Microsoft, Google, Time Warner, Comcast and AARP to the boycott list.
Posted by: cool breeze at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (hx/td)


And Amazon. God help me, I can't quite quit that one yet.


It'd be a double whammy, cuz they use UPS and UPS are Teamsters (at least in CA) but damn, I love my UPS guys.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (2rMmy)

833 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:07 AM (SKX2R)

Yes. I'm nothing like you. Good point.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:18 AM (aSf5o)

834 I'm trying to get into this whole positivity thing, but a year ago last September, my wife told me she didn't love me anymore (right after I dumped $8,000 in Hawaii with her, not before, of course). I've been living in the guest bedroom since then trying for some kind of reconciliation, but I think she's too far gone. It's like putting the paddles on a corpse at this point. The EKG shows a blip of life for a second but it's just noise before going back to flatline.

I probably should be over it by now and have moved on, but I still love her very much. I've been with her for 12 of my 38 years and we have two little girls. She's trying to move out (mortgage complications are dragging that process), but this is just like a slow death for me. I sleep maybe 3-4 hours a night, wondering if tomorrow is the day I have to tell my daughters how mommy and daddy aren't going to live together anymore and daddy is going to miss half of their lives.

And there was no proximate event or cause. No fighting, no cheating, no violence, no drug or alcohol abuse, no deadbeating. Just everything and then, suddenly, nothing.

So last night was especially hard for me. I don't have anywhere to fall back. I'm in a house full of people and yet completely alone. Everything is being slowly ripped away from me. I'm terrified by the kind of world my girls will grow up in, and at the same time my ability to protect them is being diminished, my family fractured. I would like to take comfort in something simple like a nice Thanksgiving, but I'm not going to have one. And we're underwater on this house so, even though I can't comfortably afford it, after she leaves I'm going to be stuck here in a museum to a life that is no longer my own.

Any recipes I should try?

Posted by: VJay at November 08, 2012 12:18 AM (q5NFp)

835 >>> You'll be surprised by the cinnamon.

Cinnamon's great. As I said above, been shown to help blood sugar control a lot -- about as much as metformin, the classic oral diabetes drug.

It's a cheap, great way to increase your energy, and may even help lose weight a little through more stable blood sugar.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:18 AM (SKX2R)

836 I like Samwise personally. Why shouldn't we have a committee you must come before, once every two or four years or so. The committee would ask them "please sir or Madame, could you justify your existence? And if not, then we should find a humane way to put them out of their misery".

Posted by: George Bernard Shaw at November 08, 2012 12:18 AM (jOByT)

837 intermittent fasting:

It's the easiest way in the world to lose weight. No more tiny diet meals...just don't eat. That's right, allow yourself to be hungry. Here's a BBC documentary on it, changed my life:

http://tinyurl.com/8tc4pdm

Almost every night I eat a giant meal, and almost every week I've lost a pound or two for MONTHS. Didn't count a single calorie.

Posted by: Max Power at November 08, 2012 12:20 AM (+wxCD)

838 >>> you want to die? We will all be dead in moments.

>>> Death is coming for us all. And you will be dead a very long time.

>>> We are alive only moments. Only moments.
>>> Posted by: ace at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM

Very true. Something I think about sometimes. It's sometimes a comfort too, in dark times, to know they can't last, even if I never have the resolve to voluntarily leave the world.

Which, not incidentally, I enjoy a lot of the time too.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:20 AM (SKX2R)

839 Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:10 AM (Kd6lF)

This post is bordering on trolling too.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:20 AM (aSf5o)

840 Any other ideas out there? I'm thinking of putting together a "Conservatives Don't Get Mad, Get Even" list of people we can choose not to do business with.
Posted by: shibumi at November 08, 2012 12:06 AM (z63Tr)....It's probably silly and small potatoes, but I buy all of my movies and most of my books on Amazon or Ebay using only deep red state vendors. I know Amazon still gets money, but I haven't found a way around that yet. I rob Hollywood and blue state bookstores of my hard earned capitalist dollars while giving a pittance to Amazon.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 08, 2012 12:20 AM (QyMDY)

841

OK, ok. I see the good in meditating on your blessings (and cute kittens). This reminds us that there is more to life than liberty(sob).

But you also need to recover your sense of humor.Laugh people. It feels good.

Posted by: Lily at November 08, 2012 12:21 AM (fOvLk)

842 I should have mentioned in 840 above that I buy those books and movies from the used vendors. You can get like new without giving money to Hollywood.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 08, 2012 12:21 AM (QyMDY)

843 Ten Years After: "I'd Love to Change the World"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7-8sCLWwLk

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 08, 2012 12:22 AM (Iyg03)

844 That's why I was down about the election...I was banking on a boom to get my family jobs.


I'll think good thoughts. Honestly, I am very good at that. We seriously need to find Capt Whitebread. He comes around often.


Any chance your mom can go on disability? I know it sucks to have to do that, but she may as well try. They'll turn her down twice before they okay it, most likely and it'll take a couple years, so she should start the process sooner than later.

What does your bro like to do?




Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:22 AM (2rMmy)

845 VJay - So sorry about your dilemma. It hurts, cosign.

Posted by: Moana at November 08, 2012 12:22 AM (Rilbs)

846 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:13 AM (SKX2R)

You are extremely stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:23 AM (aSf5o)

847 >>> Maybe you should ask a medical examiner's office if you could do ride alongside. I'm not being snarky either. Once you get to experience the tragedy of suicide up close and personal

I made a point once of seeing a lot of videos on it (I found the site following a high-profile crime story; wasn't actually looking for that), including an autopsy video of the method I would actually use were I to do so.

A lot of that is gruesome, horrible stuff. I am under no illusions it's pleasant.

And that's kind of my point. That we shouldn't let people die like that by denying them a more humane option.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:23 AM (SKX2R)

848 I think it's sick to insist that someone who is in
so much pain that they don't want to live be forced to endure yet more
pain ... but that is your position.



I find it abhorrent and ghastly, but I realize it's popular in this culture. Other cultures looked at it differently.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:13 AM (SKX2R)

Pain killing medicines. Make it easier to obtain. This is why illegal drugs are so prevalent and destructive: they are not legal and easily obtainable, but the masses physically hurt. You, however, are advocating death over pain medication in a highly advanced med/tech society. A merchant of death.

And who, pray. tell would make this decision for victim of this pain?

There are options but you like the final solution. Run from this guy!

Posted by: Derak at November 08, 2012 12:23 AM (lkjWK)

849 The only wisdom i have to offer

1. We survived Roosevelt - his court, his union building, his crony capitalism, his arrogance, his distortion on our culture etc. etc. We can survive tfg.

2. In the end, every democracy that slipped toward socialism (or whatever we are supposed to call state control of the economy) will eventually lurch back. As Thatcher said, eventually even tfg will run out of other people's money.

3. Character is what you do when you get hit so hard you see stars, and still you get up like cool hand luke and plant your feet without giving up any ground. Our way - free markets, free people - is the only way that has even really worked in this world, so we need to hold our ground and let the no-nothing left wallow in it's own destruction. It will be a bumpy ride, but we will persevere.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 08, 2012 12:24 AM (zZJJp)

850 VJay 834

Damn. My heart goes out to you man. That sounds just awful. There are few things as painful as unrequited love. I spent a good deal of time wrecked by it, so I can appreciate if you just need to feel negative for a while.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:24 AM (Kd6lF)

851 "820 Samwise - Please don't let words on screen wreck you. I wish you the best and hope you turn away from believing suicide is valid choice.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM (opS9C) "

He's trolling.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:24 AM (aSf5o)

852 The one positive to the coalition government system is that people can vote their "conscience" without putting the other side in power. If 23 social cons get elected and 30 fiscal cons...they can form a coalition and work out their differences. Maybe on certain issues they'll break ranks. Libertarians might break from the conservatives on gay marriage. Southern libs might differ on guns and abortion...or whatever.

That said, that system has never existed in America. So, for better or worse, we need to form coalitions now and then hash out our differences once we get in power.

I think Glenn Beck has a good point when he says he's a Progressive Libertarian. Libertarian ideas are big and scary to the electorate, so we need to do what Progs did (in reverse). We need to push our agenda slowly, through non-threatening "common sense" measures instead of going whole hog. Hell, Canada's trending this way.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 12:25 AM (626t3)

853 Any recipes I should try?
Posted by: VJay at November 08, 2012 12:18 AM (q5NFp)

Oh, mercy, I wish I could just hug you right now. You and Crazee.


Do you like peanut butter?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:25 AM (2rMmy)

854 forgive me, i'm canadian, but why do you say the two party thing is
irrevocably baked into the cake? i ask because i honestly don't know.




The requirements to win the Presidency and gain power in Congress mean that you have to have a national level effort and organization. The two parties are actually ideologically very broad because each side is trying to appeal to enough voters to win 50%+1 representatives in the House and Senate. While in theory you could have multiple parties that form coalitions, the fact that elections are on a regular timetable and not dependent on maintaining that coalition would mean that smaller parties don't have the power that they do in a parliamentary system.

Posted by: Alex at November 08, 2012 12:25 AM (HwgHt)

855 Positive life improvement eh?

I decided I would fight for all the exotic trees with their exotic woods that get cut down every day.


I mean the shit is just killer for guitar building, so fucking eh I'm gonna fight for all I can get.


What, did you think I was going tree hugger? lol

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 12:26 AM (FMbng)

856 Wow. For a "Positive Life Improvement Thread", this is becoming terribly depressing.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 08, 2012 12:26 AM (IlZPo)

857
Posted by: VJay at November 08, 2012 12:18 AM (q5NFp)

VJay, is this true? Dude, sorry - that sounds so unfair. Good luck to you as you navigate through this time.

Posted by: Lily at November 08, 2012 12:26 AM (fOvLk)

858 Suicide is a permanent solution to a TEMPORARY PROBLEM.

Posted by: NathanB at November 08, 2012 12:27 AM (so6lH)

859 Ace,

Sam's trolling.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:27 AM (aSf5o)

860 What, did you think I was going tree hugger? lol
Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 12:26 AM (FMbng)


I knew where you were going with it!


Is it snowing there?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:27 AM (2rMmy)

861 Sorry I was a little late to these life improvement threads.
I'm going to try to improve on my habit of swearing the second something goes wrong. Bad habit I picked up working in the nasty world of public relations and my even earlier career of TV journalism. It's not like I have Tourettes syndrome so I can stop with enough willpower.
And Ace, thanks for your blog. I've been horribly depressed like everyone else after what happened last night, but I really appreciate your posts today. I also want to say that the people who showed up last night to our Chicago get-together were really nice and I hope to get to meet them again soon.

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 12:27 AM (detCI)

862 832
You can add Microsoft, Google, Time Warner, Comcast and AARP to the boycott list.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 08, 2012 12:14 AM (hx/td)

Dumped Comcast TV today. Will not contribute one. more. dime to these vultures. Woo Hoo free at last.

Posted by: Derak at November 08, 2012 12:28 AM (lkjWK)

863
For those trying to quit: Just remember that the worst cravings only last about 5 minutes.
Becuase there's always a 7-11 within 5 minutes.

Posted by: RokShox at November 08, 2012 12:28 AM (8MMMw)

864 Stop worrying about politics and improve my health by getting out and being active. Work on my music, travel more. Life is short. I will not spend any more time arguing with libs, that is for sure. It is a colossal waste of time.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 08, 2012 12:28 AM (x0g8a)

865 I am always intrigued and slightly amazed that many other countries can call for an election. And usually they come when a leader is very popular or unpopular.

I don't think we should do it, but it sure mixes things up in a hurry.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 12:29 AM (PHb2k)

866 I remember my high school super liberal english teacher/debate coach calling Dr. assist suicide "death with dignity". I think there is something dignified about living your life to its natural end. My Great Grand Parents lived to be 100 and 98, they were married for 81 years and died one week apart, they had long and beautiful lives.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 08, 2012 12:29 AM (yE5/V)

867 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (SKX2R)

Yeah, that's extremely caring...


"Here, let me help you murder yourself..."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:29 AM (aSf5o)

868 Oh, Sassy, maybe you could "talk" to Crazee about the TV thing...he's interested in radio/TV

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:29 AM (2rMmy)

869 851 Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:24 AM (aSf5o) - _________ Yeah, I considered that. he started WAY at the top (his 1st post here), but I ignored the post, not sure if he was legit. Oh gawd it's like one of these stupid movies where at the end you don't know what the heck you just watched. If there is something akin to bipolar disorder, but which has extremes of cynicism and gullibility, I have it, hence my dilemma

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 12:30 AM (opS9C)

870 >>>Character is what you do when you get hit so hard you see stars, and still you get up like cool hand luke and plant your feet without giving up any ground.


Fucking post of the year!

Posted by: Max Power at November 08, 2012 12:30 AM (+wxCD)

871 I would rather see 1000 people suffer in interminable agony with a fatal disease than to give justification for society to go down that path and kill one innocent that can recover.

If someone is dying, and in pain, at least let them know that their suffering is so that they do not leave behind a society where inconvenient pensioners are disposed of with a quiet shot (the Liverpool protocol) or people deemed less worthy or who have a lower "quality" of life are disposed of.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 08, 2012 12:30 AM (zZJJp)

872 I need to dump the cable. I can't listen to commercials for 5 seconds without muting. Joe Theismann's prostate here for the Topsy Turvy.

Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:30 AM (NIZHJ)

873 Is it snowing there?


Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:27 AM


Yeah it is, only about 3 inches so far and its been at it since early afternoon. Its a light but steady snow.It wasn't even sticking in the first few hours. I'll take it, better than rain and flooding.

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 12:31 AM (FMbng)

874 Do you like peanut butter?

Wait, are you implying there are people who don't like peanut butter?

Well, I guess the ones who are deathly allergic to peanuts -- they should probably not like peanut butter as a basic matter of survival. But I'm luckily not one of those people.

Posted by: VJay at November 08, 2012 12:31 AM (q5NFp)

875 "831 you want to die? We will all be dead in moments.

Death is coming for us all. And you will be dead a very long time.

We are alive only moments. Only moments.

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (LCRYB) "

I, for one, intend to live. Sounds like a much better idea.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:31 AM (aSf5o)

876 For those trying to quit: Just remember that the worst cravings only last about 5 minutes.

Becuase there's always a 7-11 within 5 minutes.


Posted by: RokShox at November 08, 2012 12:28 AM (8MMMw)
If you use e-cigarettes, you probably won't experience any cravings, or at least none that can't be immediately satisfied with a puff on you electronic cigarette.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 08, 2012 12:31 AM (hx/td)

877 868 - I'm sorry, I didn't read the entire thread. Backstory or comment number?

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 12:31 AM (detCI)

878 So how do you quit E-Cigs?

Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:32 AM (NIZHJ)

879 Mirror Universe Mitt Romney:

come on man, i'm a long term lurker and big fan of the site. This thought about 3rd party is something I've had since last night, I'm testing it, not a true believer (and NOT a paulbot). I'm appealing to debate to test the limits of the thought because to be honest I'm hoping someone has a good argument for why I'm wrong. It's like what Cornwall Capital did when they wondered if credit default swaps of subprime mortgage bonds had any real drawbacks.

cheers.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:33 AM (Kd6lF)

880 Samwise,

I feel sorry for you. Truly sorry. Life is a gift and only God can take it away. You seem to have this picture in your mind that it will be all neat and tidy if just do it humanely. Tie up a perfect dose of painkillers in a pretty box with a pretty bow. That's absurd.

And watching video on you tube about suicide is not like seeing the real thing. Picking up the body, telling the family, prepping the body, the viewing, the funeral, the burial.

While I was home a few weeks ago my sister has four, four! Teenage suicides she had to pick up. You go home wash the smell of death from your body then hug your children.

Get help.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:33 AM (Mkhiu)

881 So how do you quit E-Cigs?

With the E-Patch.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2012 12:34 AM (PHb2k)

882 I, for one, intend to live. Sounds like a much better idea.>>

The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 12:34 AM (plCGI)

883 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:23 AM (SKX2R)

Yes. Anything to Progress the Culture of Death...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:34 AM (aSf5o)

884
Any recipes I should try?

Posted by: VJay at November 08, 2012 12:18 AM (q5NFp)

time - the only cure.
Know that in X months you will be happy again, and each day brings you one day closer.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at November 08, 2012 12:34 AM (zZJJp)

885 So how do you quit E-Cigs?


Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:32 AM


Hmm, maybe switch to D-cigs?

Posted by: Berserker at November 08, 2012 12:34 AM (FMbng)

886 Crazee, I don't know a whole lot about broadcasting, but The Ohio Center For Broadcasting advertises on AM talk radio around here, and I know they have locations in IL...

http://www.beonair.com/

Also, they're an official "military-friendly" school, according to their website. So, you could certainly do worse.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 12:34 AM (RLZvP)

887 Sassy, 821, more or less.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:35 AM (2rMmy)

888 VJay at November 08, 2012 12:18 AM (q5NFp)

I am sorry.

Prayers for your strength and well being ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 08, 2012 12:35 AM (gh+mp)

889 >>>878 So how do you quit E-Cigs?

The general idea is to gradually lower the nicotine dosage in the liquid you're using over time.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 12:36 AM (JycCV)

890
for the record: PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO DON'T FUCKING HAVE A FUCKING ACCENT!!!'
Try recording yourself. YES YOU DO. I don't think I've got one but I do.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 12:36 AM (+9AX9)

891 Oh, i see you are already on top of it. No wonder you got the Chicago Meet-Up going so well!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 12:36 AM (2rMmy)

892 VJay,

Yes, try counselling. Don't hire some flake, but ask your doctor for a genuine recommendation. Convince your wife to attend for the sake of your children. It may cost a few bucks, but in the end it will likely cost your children a lot less. Good luck.

Posted by: Vote Revenge at November 08, 2012 12:37 AM (+5R2D)

893 re: "Hmm, maybe switch to D-cigs?"

The progression is: E-cig, D-bag, C-face, B-face, A-hole.

At the end, you're Ricky Gervais.

Posted by: oblig. at November 08, 2012 12:38 AM (cePv8)

894 ---Sam, I don't know you, but personally, I think it's a godawful idea to commit suicide.

Unless you are already looking at a painful incurable disease with a sure end, it's crazy.

Whether you believe in god or not, the universe around you is awesome and you commit a horrible mistake by not seeing as much of it and experiencing as much of it as you can.

If you don't believe in god, which I assume you don't (otherwise you wouldn't be talking about suicide as merely an ethical question), then at death you will simply cease to exist. You will experience nothing more.

In the entire eternity of the universe, you have already missed out almost all of it. You didn't exist for 14 billion years. You will not exist for the trillion years to come after.

This is it. These precious few years which clever proteins have managed to gift you. This is all, then comes the Nothingness. Forever.

This is it.

I am not a doctor but your emotional level is almost certainly pitched too low. Your brain chemistry runs to the deeply depressed.

It is sad that depression not only saps a life of color and joy but also precludes the person suffering it from seeking the simple cure for it.

Depression can be cured. Before you go committing suicide, why don't you at least see if a simple biochemical adjustment will help you?

Posted by: ace at November 08, 2012 12:15 AM

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Ace, it's a fair question, but I think it's based on a false premise or two.

To wit, do psychiatric drugs even lower suicide rates or depression long term?

I would be interested in, but assume I'm one of the few here who would be, a long debate about that. My answer though, is no, there's not good scientific evidence for this, and they have often bad side effects which I don't wish.

Further, life.

Life.

It varies. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's tragic. It varies hugely among people for a lot of reasons such as luck, genetics, personality, a person's beliefs, and on and on.

Sometimes things happen in a person's life that are intolerable to a given person given who that person is. No drug can fix that.

Third, I don't actually think I'm oriented on an unrealistically low level.

I'll use the last election, and the last three before it as examples.

I overestimated GOP performance in each one. Yet in the last three, where I wasn't massively overoptimistic, was derided as a Democrat because I was so "pessimistic".

But I wasn't pessimistic. I was optimistic.

Just much, much less so.

What you said about the age and wonders of the universe is true, but it's not without its horrors and disappointments and heartbreaks, which be grievous, and are not in any way fairly distributed.

So -- through evolution, and natural selection -- nature had to have SOMETHING to keep us going, or with our intelligent brains we'd recognize the futility of existence, and large numbers of us would have stopped trying.

So we evolved certain cognitive biases to keep us going.

One of these is religious/spiritual tendencies. The literal delusion that we, and those we love, will keep on living after we die. What's more, our kids can enjoy an eternity of bliss.

Well OF COURSE under that scenario, living and having kids makes sense.

Further, humans developed an even more widespread bias, and that is toward optimism. This is one of the most studied things in psychology.

Most people most of the time predict things will work out better than they do. It's a delusion. It's unrealistic. (And it explains a lot about how we got the election so wrong; we had to discount a lot of inconvenient facts such as the polls)

But it's very much true.

We even have a strong reason to believe we know the mechanism for this. Optimistic people have a region of the brain that doesn't code negative events into memory as well as pessimistic people's do.

In short, the reason most people are optimistic is because their brains are less efficient at coding bad memories. They still encode some, but not as many and not as intensely.

Oh -- and mildly depressed people? They make more accurate predictions than other people do.

Anyway, upshot:

I'm actually an optimistic person.

But a mildly optimistic person.

Among a species of people most of whom are hugely, massively optimistic. And most of whom are spiritual and religious too.

So yes, I often see the world as a bad place. But ... not worse than it is.

Probably a little better.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:38 AM (SKX2R)

895 Calling it a night.


SO grateful to have a place like this to come to! Thank you Ace, thank you cobs, thank you Morons....

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor, bent but not broken at November 08, 2012 12:38 AM (2rMmy)

896 >>>PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO DON'T FUCKING HAVE A FUCKING ACCENT!!!'

Folks from tchikaago ain't got no accent? Do you like Da Bears?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Trying to have Faith and not worry, no matter the outcome. at November 08, 2012 12:39 AM (GE1+K)

897 What kind of sickness makes someone act like that? It is so creepy, especially the pattern of your words. So very creepy. Be it Mitt, cinnamon, suicide or Sandy, there is a distance from humanity that is chilling. Maybe I only noticed it in the suicide topic, but maybe it was there for the others too. I know some TWISTED people. a few relatives, a few acquaintances. There is nothing in them but words that pour out. Yet they pull me in and I should know better.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 12:39 AM (opS9C)

898 "869 851 Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:24 AM (aSf5o) - _________ Yeah, I considered that. he started WAY at the top (his 1st post here), but I ignored the post, not sure if he was legit. Oh gawd it's like one of these stupid movies where at the end you don't know what the heck you just watched. If there is something akin to bipolar disorder, but which has extremes of cynicism and gullibility, I have it, hence my dilemma

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 12:30 AM (opS9C) "

Sam's good at what he does. Don't worry about it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:39 AM (aSf5o)

899 890 - I sooooooo beg to differ. Chicagoans sound like chalk on a blackboard. Trust me. That's one thing I'm glad I never picked up here. I acknowledge my East Coast accent comes creaping into conversation but I would rather have the worst NYC accent any day than a Chicago accent and I live in Chicago.

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 12:39 AM (detCI)

900 With the E-Patch.

And you break that addiction with the E-Syrette. And you break that one with street-grade heroin. And you break that one with methodone, the withdrawal from which is mitigated by a long, slow drag from an unfiltered Marlboro.

It's the Ciiircle of Liiiiiife...

Posted by: VJay at November 08, 2012 12:39 AM (q5NFp)

901 My only problem with E-cigs is that the two that I've tried (Blu and forget the other one) were so cheaply made and kept breaking down that I just gave up after sending them back multiple times.

I'm a horrible, vicious smoker and have been for the last 10 years. I may give this model Ace's recommending a try.

Turned 30 this year and it's time to start looking ahead to my fiancee' and raising a family.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 12:39 AM (JycCV)

902 VJay...shit. I'm sorry, man. You ever read C.S Lewis's Four Loves? I found it insightful when he talked about how people fall 'out of' love. People expect that they stay 'in love' forever, when in actuality the passions die down and feelings change. I'm not expressing it well, but it's changed the way I look at things. I'm so sorry for you, it sucks to have someone do that to you.

Tammy, my mom is trying to get disability. Well, she was. I need to talk to her about what they told her again. We've had distractions, and I just haven't got back to her about it. My brother...well, I sometimes feel he's a lost cause. I love the guy, but he's 11 years older than me. 38, and all he's worked is basically retail. And , as you can imagine, that's not an industry looking to expand right now. He worked at Best Buy for about 12 years, and he was very good at it. A co-worker (and her boyfriend) basically made up a story about him threatening her so he got fired. It was total BS, but they believed her despite his hard work. But, y'know, her bf coworker made it two against one.

I'm trying to get him to take a course in something too, but admittedly it's harder when you're almost 40.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 12:39 AM (626t3)

903 Crazee - how much experience do you have in broadcast journalism? Any? Where do you live? How have you tried to pursue this broadcast dream of yours?

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 12:40 AM (detCI)

904 Ace, one more thing about the medical negatives re: nicotine....

It is a vascular constrictor (thus the blood pressure issue...). If you plan on any kind of plastic surgery or reconstruction, or really surgery of any kind, nicotine inhibits the blood flow to the area under repair. So there are some concerns.

I'll bet you'd want to really knock off the nicotine if you had to skin graft.

That said, what a great drug. Also a pesticide. Great for bug deterrence on plants.


Posted by: Derak at November 08, 2012 12:41 AM (lkjWK)

905 alex, thanks for the explanation. so if a third party was started that could siphon of dems and republicans in sufficient numbers, couldn't one or of the other of the original two be forced to jump in with them?

In canada we had the reform party which ditched the progressive conservatives, and that ultimately forced a recalibration of conservative politics in Canada with the new conservative party. That's basically what got us Steven Harper after years in the liberal wilderness (and a stint with nominally conservative Mulroney).

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:41 AM (Kd6lF)

906 895


SO grateful to have a place like this to come to! Thank you Ace, thank you cobs, thank you Morons....

Agree agree!!!!! God Bless You Ace and all in the Horde !!!!!
Thank you for helping me keep my sanity during all of this !!!!

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 08, 2012 12:42 AM (SIgM0)

907 "879 Mirror Universe Mitt Romney:

come on man, i'm a long term lurker and big fan of the site. This thought about 3rd party is something I've had since last night, I'm testing it, not a true believer (and NOT a paulbot). I'm appealing to debate to test the limits of the thought because to be honest I'm hoping someone has a good argument for why I'm wrong. It's like what Cornwall Capital did when they wondered if credit default swaps of subprime mortgage bonds had any real drawbacks.

cheers.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:33 AM (Kd6lF) "

A "successful" "right-wing" third party would ruin us.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:42 AM (aSf5o)

908 @Crazee:

Drop me an email (link in the sig) and tell me more about your situation, where you live, etc. I can, if nothing else, give you some advice.

I know how you feel about radio; I've been in it 27 years myself. It's a crazy job, but I love it.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 08, 2012 12:43 AM (5J54Q)

909 It's funny, I was going to go to the Chicago meetup but I really couldn't afford to travel there from my suburb near Wisconsin. It probably would have been easier to cope with than bitching with my mom. lol

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 12:43 AM (626t3)

910 So how do you quit E-Cigs?


Posted by: Butters at November 08, 2012 12:32 AM (NIZHJ)

You can gradually lower the nicotine level to taper off. The juice typically comes in 24 mg, 18 mg, 12 mg, 6 mg and 0 mg strengths.Personally, after 7 month of e-cigs I'm not worried about whether or not I ever quit e-cigs. It was enough that they got me off analogs.I like nicotine a lot, and still do. I find it wonderful for mild stress relief. It's addictive, but not carcinogenic. The problem was always the other 200+ chemical in analogs, many of which are harmful.Added bonus for e-cigarettes: they are not subject to the huge federal and state tobacco taxes, so you are depriving the big government statists of a boatload of money by switching from analogs.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 08, 2012 12:43 AM (hx/td)

911 Dumping cable by Friday. It feels good. Roku only and rabbit ears. High speed internet. Finished with MSM including Fox.

I feel better already.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:43 AM (Mkhiu)

912 Yes, try counselling. Don't hire some flake, but ask your doctor for a genuine recommendation. Convince your wife to attend for the sake of your children. It may cost a few bucks, but in the end it will likely cost your children a lot less. Good luck.

Thanks for the advice. We actually did try counseling with someone we both liked and who I thought was helping quite a bit. But she got to the "I don't like what I'm hearing phase", and we stopped going (then went back, then stopped going again).

She's promised to go back after we've separated. Not sure I see the value at that point, but I'll play every card in my hand until there's no more cards to play.

Posted by: VJay at November 08, 2012 12:45 AM (q5NFp)

913
I think it was Comrade Arthur who said it on twitter earlier, but it went something like; "It would be much easier and quicker for the Tea Party to take over the GOP then to put together a third party."

If the local tea parties would volunteer, work for and volunteer at the local and state level for their GOP offices, they'd be running the entire thing within a decade.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 08, 2012 12:45 AM (JycCV)

914 "882 I, for one, intend to live. Sounds like a much better idea.>>

The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 12:34 AM (plCGI) "

That's why I put my trust in God.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:45 AM (aSf5o)

915 "I, for one, intend to live. Sounds like a much better idea."

The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 12:34 AM

lol

Yes. This.

Translation: don't worry about it; even if I did now, like so what? In a universe of 14 billion years, if I do or don't live an extra few decades is like "meh".

If I made a mistake in suicide because my life would have had more good in it than bad in it, well it's STILL a limited mistake, because I would have also cut out all the bad things, which is a benefit to me.

So, yes, that would be a mistake, but also a mistake with an upside.

Alternatively, not suiciding -- and it's entirely possible that I won't -- might also be an error. Since perhaps I'll have more bad than good in my life.

I agree it's impossible to say with certainty. And yet, the decision remains mine.

So win, lose, or draw, the kinder people among you have engaged me in reasons for choosing life and they're good reasons and are undoubtedly the sorts of reasons I'm still here.

But you'll never convince me to stop hating on Chris Christie (rhetorically).

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:46 AM (SKX2R)

916 One more improvement task: meditation

For the god-botherers this may be prayer. For the godless it may be focused thought. Whatever your persuasion it is extremely healthy to take a few minutes each day to clear your mind, focus on your breathing, and collect your thoughts. It's great for stress-management, mental clarity, and perspective.

I learned that from a coach who noticed I was vomiting from anxiety before games and eventually at every practice. It has helped me immensely.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2012 12:46 AM (J4gw3)

917

Quitting Ecigs.

First there is an increadable forum called ECF that you can get tons of info about any conceivable thing regarding Ecigs.

The nicotine juice comes in different strengths. Most people who are interested in weaning themselves off nicotine start dropping the concentration down gradually over time. The do sell 0mg "ejuice' for this purpose or for people who just like the taste of the flavors available.

The health benefits of stopping smoking is enormous. Probably close to a million people (SWAG) have been able to quit by using ecigs. Many of these people tried other methods and went back to smoking.

Read up on it if you are really interested.

Also read the Wikipedia on nicotine. It is very interesting. Seems like not that bad of a thing to e hooked in. C affine comes to mind.


Posted by: pawn at November 08, 2012 12:47 AM (iMsF6)

918 Sassy, she's referring to 775 and 821.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 12:47 AM (626t3)

919 >>>so if a third party was started that could siphon of dems and republicans in sufficient numbers, couldn't one or of the other of the original two be forced to jump in with them?

The party in power almost always remains in coalition to remain in power so you can't really sap their votes. The party out of power is vulnerable but it usually means at least 8 years of consistent losses during the realignment. It really is a nuclear option for a dysfunctional party. The last time it happened was in the 1850s when the Republican Party formed opposing slavery as a third party destroying the Whigs who couldn't agree on a stance on slavery.

No one wants to eat 8 years of suck in every elected position from state assembly to President. So we tend to try and shift the party instead.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Trying to have Faith and not worry, no matter the outcome. at November 08, 2012 12:47 AM (GE1+K)

920 Also, I brought up this because it's relevant to me, sure, but also because I understood where another commenter here was coming from. So I was expanding on what had gone on before, rather than saying, "Hey, I'm imminently suicidal." Because I'm not. I'm a little thirsty.

Even if I live fighting to my last breath, and I just may, I'm still going to be sympathetic to people who are in such great pain, and I will respect their right to make up their own mind.

And if they choose to live, great. Then I hope we work together and create a better world for them to live in. Hence, politics.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:49 AM (SKX2R)

921 916
I went the bio-feedback way to help with MS pain. I didn't think it would work but it did.

I wasn't a believer in it before, I am now.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:49 AM (Mkhiu)

922 I started smoking at age 20. I smoked a pack a day. Sometimes more than that. My first MI occurred Nov. 23, 2005 at the ripe old age of 45. Cardiac arrest, jumper cables, the whole shebang. Seven stents were placed in my coronary arteries. 2 on the 23rd and 5 more the following Monday. I figured it was a good time to quit smoking and I did...... for a while. I don't recall the amount of time but I eventually 'lit up' and presto, just like that I was smoking again. I smoked my way through a number of subsequent Cardiac Caths / angioplasties -- 4 more stents.

Jump to January 11, 2009, three days shy of my 49th birthday I had my second massive heart attack. Again cardiac arrest and double the whacks from jumper cables (4). When all was said and done I had 2 more stents placed bringing my total to 13. I quit smoking that day and haven't lit one since.

I've had 2 more stents placed for a current total of 15 and an N-STEMI since then. My life's no picnic these days. A daily fist full of pills and supplements are now part of my daily diet. I'm smoke free and alive. I'm eternally grateful. No questions please. Thank you.

Posted by: MrC_5150 at November 08, 2012 12:49 AM (UeuU/)

923 mirror image mitt

but i think that answer begs the question, because if the third party is truly successful - it IS us, the republican party folds and BECOMES the new Conservative Party. Just like the break off of reform from the milquetoast progressive conservatives (PCs) in Canada gave birth to the Conservative Party (which gave us Stephen Harper), that's what this would be about - recalibrating the way conservatives approach political power while cleaning house in the process. It would not work in 1 election cycle, but then why should we believe that another Romney-type candidate is going to do the trick?

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:49 AM (Kd6lF)

924 Little known fact about nicotine - in normal, microgram doses it's relatively harmless. Yet as a poison it's almost as deadly as cyanide by weight.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 12:49 AM (X9Mnx)

925 911
Dumping cable by Friday. It feels good. Roku only and rabbit ears. High speed internet. Finished with MSM including Fox.



I feel better already.

Posted by: mpfs at November 08, 2012 12:43 AM (Mkhiu)

We take note of all the links we encounter throughout the day on all the various websites, and at dinnertime, we cue the longer ones up for evening entertainment.Better than spoon fed pablum courtesy MSM. Tonight was Karl Denninger interviewed by Doug Casey's mining guy. At least you can pause and have a discussion when it gets confusing.
I'd never seen Idiocracy until Maet posted it here one night. Entertaining and yet nightmarish. But really, who needs cable? Starve those beasts.

Posted by: Derak at November 08, 2012 12:50 AM (lkjWK)

926 For most of you under 45-50, this is a set back.

For me this may be the finish.

I became disappointed with Republicans when they caved after being swept in on a wave of disgust at how the Democrats were running things into the red.

Then they caved at the mere threat of Government being shut down. (at it was only a threat.)

I gave them the benefit of the doubt thinking of Reagan and what it took to turn things around. Also there were so many RINO's.

Turns out, RINOS are the Republican Party. All that about fiscal responsibility blah, blah, blah is just campaigning and posturing.

Obama's win has proven that conservative is not the way people want the government to be run. The don't want it so badly, they will accept this lying, crypto muslim communist to be reelected rather than elect even a squishy Republican but financial conservative and a better man than the current President.

We are wrong. The people have spoken. Our efforts should no longer be dedicated to the education and persuasion of the electorate but to the strengthening of our own personal positions to a point where if the current government collapse, we will be better off than our fellow countrymen who voted for that government.

This doesn't mean isolation or extreme off the grid moves. Just make decisions about the future as if it will have financial ups and downs never seen before with concomitant disruptions in the supply chain and possible assaults by those less prepared.

Time to be a chameleon I think. Blend in, talk bland and act humble.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 12:51 AM (SP4jC)

927 Found out earlier this year I had irregular heartbeat as well asweak blood flow in heart. Had some tests,worked with the docs, lost some pretty serious weight, and boosted my exercise program.

This summer I went on a 20 mile bike ride with my family at pretty high speed with some pretty serious grades in the AM, then walked 9 holes on a hilly golf course that afternoon. Heat index for the day was 105+. Feeling better than I have for years.Life is good. Obama and the Democrats do not define our lives.

In all sincerity, thanks for the upbeat threads, Ace. Too bad a couple of trolls can't relax and enjoy some positive thoughts on a tough day. And, while we're all mushy, thanks for AoS. The commentary and knowing there are always morons out there who share some common ground with me is like a little beacon of sanity in an increasingly dark and crazy world.

Posted by: RM at November 08, 2012 12:51 AM (ixDYs)

928 Ok, Crazee -- I still need to know if you've taken any courses at all. Or what your connection is to radio broadcasting other than just wanting a career in it.

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 12:52 AM (detCI)

929 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:46 AM (SKX2R)

Seriously. Stop trolling.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:53 AM (aSf5o)

930 Translation: don't worry about it; even if I did now, like so what? In a
universe of 14 billion years, if I do or don't live an extra few
decades is like "meh">>

The only thing you can be sure of is that if you don't make it to the next turn you'll never know what you missed. Yes the drive through Illinois sucks but the east coast of lake Michigan has lots to offer. Oh and a hundred years is a millisecond to the universe buts it's all you can hope for and 50 years is a half that can hold great surprises.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 12:54 AM (plCGI)

931 More Ecig info

The ones available from the convenience stores suck.

After a bunch of research and personal experience I have settled on a Vivi Nova coupled with an Ego Twist combo. Great performance. Google those two products to find vendors.

The ecig story is also very interesting.

Posted by: pawn at November 08, 2012 12:54 AM (iMsF6)

932 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:49 AM (SKX2R)

Right. You're trolling.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:54 AM (aSf5o)

933 >>>What kind of sickness makes someone act like that? It is so creepy, especially the pattern of your words. So very creepy. Be it Mitt, cinnamon, suicide or Sandy, there is a distance from humanity that is chilling. Maybe I only noticed it in the suicide topic, but maybe it was there for the others too. I know some TWISTED people. a few relatives, a few acquaintances. There is nothing in them but words that pour out. Yet they pull me in and I should know better.
Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 12:39 AM

So you're saying I'm a worthless human being, unable to connect with others, and I should kill myself?

I just want to get this clear.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:54 AM (SKX2R)

934 Gotta go to bed. The staggering amounts of Valu-Rite consumed over the last 24 hours are catching up to me.

Night, 'rons and 'ronettes!

Posted by: cool breeze at November 08, 2012 12:54 AM (hx/td)

935 Hollowpoint at November 07, 2012 11:44 PM (X9Mnx)

NO, it wasn't designed as a two party system. That's just the way it worked out given the normal actions and reactions of the human mentality.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 12:54 AM (SP4jC)

936 An e-Cig is just an e-Cig. But a good cigar is a smoke.

Posted by: TH at November 08, 2012 12:55 AM (7oUgp)

937 MiketheMoose

Thanks for your input. I liked your phrase 'nuclear option', as I think it adequately expresses what it would mean. I guess my question is: don't the demographic facts that face us demand such a nuclear option for the republican party?

And if not now, what about after immigration reform and Puerto Rican statehood?

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:56 AM (Kd6lF)

938 The reason the Republican party was so easily able to take over the place previously occupied by the Whigs is that there was a huge wedge issue that the Whigs were trying to have both ways.

Slavery.

The Whigs refused to take a stand on slavery because they figured, hey, the Democrats are officially pro-slavery; are the abolitionists going there? No, they have no choice but to vote for us. By refusing to take a position, they figured they'd keep the abolitionists and attract some pro-slavery voters away from the Democrats, as well.

They forgot about the other choices of staying home or starting their own party. The Whigs lost a huge chunk of their base voters to the GOP almost immediately, and a few years later the party was gone.

We don't really have a solidly unifying wedge issue that today's GOP is totally punting on. They recently stepped up and intensified their opposition to abortion, so that won't be it. Amnesty for illegal aliens might still prove to be such an issue, though.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 12:56 AM (RLZvP)

939 "To wit, do psychiatric drugs even lower suicide rates or depression long term?"

there is no doubt that psychotropic treatments of mood disorders, viz bipolar affectivity, are effective in preventing comorbid suicide to a high degree. the third-most-common substance in the universe, lithium, is an age-old and still-industry-standard remedy that has shown marked effectiveness over its many years of use in ameliorating the symptoms of mood disorders, in particular preventing the commission of suicide at the "danger juncture" from a depressive episode into a manic episode.

thought disorders are more difficult to treat; at any rate, most of the antipsychotic medications on the market have awful side effects that sort of make them like a class of "zombie drugs", imo. whether it's a worthy trade-off to stop thinking about, well, everything with any passion just to eliminate the fixation on suicidal thoughts is certainly an open question.

i never understood why a simple cyanide capsule -- time to death, 45 seconds -- couldn't be prescribed to a patient who was intent on dying (instead of, as it was said, forcing him or her to resort to more violent, less clean, and certainly more painful methods). as a true believer in freedom, i suppose the freedom of life must supersede all other freedoms, or of course those other freedoms are worthless, as they may never be enjoyed.

however, the "freedom of life" should implicitly subsume a "freedom of death", or at least a freedom of self-determination. shouldn't all men have a right to self-determination? why should god of the fates choose the hour and the doing of every man's death?

for a group of folks who supposedly hold firm to libertarian free will, the xtians sure are happy to overturn certain powers to the government to enforce prohibitions on behaviours that make them feel yucky...

shouldn't the matter ultimately lie between a man and his god? why should the government interfere?

i should say that, if anything, the government has a vested social interest in allowing those utterly intent on dying to simply go.

i have a fiancé ♥.♥ and i'm scared to die because i want to spend as many seconds with him as possible! so i'm not suicidal, in any event. but i do respect a man's right to self-determination, and if someone's pain is so bad that he would rather choose death than to continue enduring that pain in a perhaps-vain hope that life has some further enjoyment in store for him, who am i to deny him the right to self-deliverance if he's willing to pay the final cost?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 12:56 AM (79EF9)

940 What is the definition of a TROLL?

Fake or real.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 12:57 AM (SP4jC)

941 "923 mirror image mitt

but i think that answer begs the question, because if the third party is truly successful - it IS us, the republican party folds and BECOMES the new Conservative Party. Just like the break off of reform from the milquetoast progressive conservatives (PCs) in Canada gave birth to the Conservative Party (which gave us Stephen Harper), that's what this would be about - recalibrating the way conservatives approach political power while cleaning house in the process. It would not work in 1 election cycle, but then why should we believe that another Romney-type candidate is going to do the trick?

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:49 AM (Kd6lF) "


No. It would not work.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:57 AM (aSf5o)

942 Crazee - how much experience do you have in
broadcast journalism? Any? Where do you live? How have you tried to
pursue this broadcast dream of yours?

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 12:40 AM (detCI)
I have no experience, which is why I'm seeking out some training. I live in northern IL, I used to live in Chicago and that's where I went to school. As far as pursuing the job...not much. I got diverted from long term career prospects after High School and took a bunch of dead end jobs to keep my life afloat.I actually DO have experience in a different field...music. I recorded demo tapes and actual CD's, but the music career went nowhere fast. I enjoyed it a lot and I think right now I'm going to see what kind of training I can take. I know I can do it, I just need to get started.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 12:59 AM (626t3)

943 "926 For most of you under 45-50, this is a set back.

For me this may be the finish.

I became disappointed with Republicans when they caved after being swept in on a wave of disgust at how the Democrats were running things into the red.

Then they caved at the mere threat of Government being shut down. (at it was only a threat.)

I gave them the benefit of the doubt thinking of Reagan and what it took to turn things around. Also there were so many RINO's.

Turns out, RINOS are the Republican Party. All that about fiscal responsibility blah, blah, blah is just campaigning and posturing.

Obama's win has proven that conservative is not the way people want the government to be run. The don't want it so badly, they will accept this lying, crypto muslim communist to be reelected rather than elect even a squishy Republican but financial conservative and a better man than the current President.

We are wrong. The people have spoken. Our efforts should no longer be dedicated to the education and persuasion of the electorate but to the strengthening of our own personal positions to a point where if the current government collapse, we will be better off than our fellow countrymen who voted for that government.

This doesn't mean isolation or extreme off the grid moves. Just make decisions about the future as if it will have financial ups and downs never seen before with concomitant disruptions in the supply chain and possible assaults by those less prepared.

Time to be a chameleon I think. Blend in, talk bland and act humble.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 12:51 AM (SP4jC) "

I will continue. I suggest you do the same.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:59 AM (aSf5o)

944 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 12:54 AM (SKX2R)

No. You're trolling.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:01 AM (aSf5o)

945 Captain Whitebread, there's no link in your sig. :/

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 01:02 AM (626t3)

946 Better put my middle-aged butt in bed.

Ace: Thanks for the "no politics" threads tonight. They were sorely needed. Many thanks again to you and the cob loggers for all you do.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 08, 2012 01:02 AM (5J54Q)

947 Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 12:56 AM (Kd6lF)

Seriously. You need to stop trolling too.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:02 AM (aSf5o)

948 Jimi Ray, how would you feel if you came home to find your fiance had hanged himself in the shower?

Would you shrug and say, "Well, he just exercised his rights!"?

Or would you want to bring him back to life so you could punch him for being so insensitive to you?

I'm guessing it'd be the latter. And that's a totally proper response.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 01:02 AM (RLZvP)

949 For all of those who are taking the future into their own hands I would suggest they investigate diesel autos and possibly diesel trucks.

There is quite possibly going to be a war in the middle east that will disrupt the life-blood of the world economy.

Think it through.


Posted by: pawn at November 08, 2012 01:03 AM (iMsF6)

950 938 PW
Thanks for your input.

When McCain Kennedy was put forth (with GWB's support for same), it seemed like just such as wedge issue. And if the republican congresscritters go along with what will surely be a democrat attempt at immigration reform this time around, I see that as the most likely splinter point. blue collar workers who vote dem may not like immigration reform so much either in the times ahead either...

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:03 AM (Kd6lF)

951 My definition, examples-

Troll - Needlessly provokes, just for kicks. Sort of like a trespasser, but on website. A fraud. Someone who derails every thread. Someone who is a jerk for no reason but to disrupt.

(There's more, can't think of it)

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 01:04 AM (opS9C)

952 >>> i never understood why a simple cyanide capsule -- time to death, 45 seconds

True, but sometimes, at least if the amount isn't high enough, it can take longer or be very painful.

The simplest answer, I think, is what they do at Dignitas: fast-acting barbiturates.

It's the same drugs used to humanely put down pets, although it's used orally and has to be preceded by antiemetics (metoclopromide).

I think there's even less potential for pain with that route than with cyanide.

>>> however, the "freedom of life" should implicitly subsume a "freedom of death", or at least a freedom of self-determination. shouldn't all men have a right to self-determination? why should god of the fates choose the hour and the doing of every man's death?

>>> for a group of folks who supposedly hold firm to libertarian free will, the xtians sure are happy to overturn certain powers to the government to enforce prohibitions on behaviours that make them feel yucky...

>>> shouldn't the matter ultimately lie between a man and his god? why should the government interfere?

Yes, exactly.

And I'll add this.

I have encouraged NO ONE here to kill themselves. And yet people have encouraged me to do so.

And yet, they're the good ones.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:05 AM (SKX2R)

953 Mirror Image

I'm sorry you think I'm trolling. I'm actually learning from the crew here. Why do you think it won't work?

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:05 AM (Kd6lF)

954 935 Jcw46- Whether it as designed that way intentionally or not is irrelevant. By intent or happenstance, our system of government doesn't allow for anything other than two parties to be successful.

Parlimental governments can function OK with numerous parties, but our winner take all system isn't friendly to it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 01:05 AM (X9Mnx)

955 OK, Crazee -- have you tried taking a course at Marquette? You say you live in Northern Illinois. Is that commutable for you? Otherwise I would highly recommend UW - Madison, where I graduated. I didn't get a degree in journalism though since at the time, I thought that was ridiculous (I hadn't planned on working on newspapers or magazines -- just wanted to concentrate on television). The Comm. Arts department at UW-Madison is stellar. I also worked my ass off to get internships at the local TV stations every summer or semester. And before the internet, in my senior year, I went to the library every night to make photocopies of every single page in the big Broadcast Stations reference book. I took that huge pile of copies home after graduation, began sending resume tapes to every place in a reasonable market size, and one month later landed my first job as a news reporter for an ABC affiliate in Pennsylvania. But it was the internships that made that happen. And from the internships, I created my resume tapes which I sent to all the news directors in semi-decent market sizes.

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 01:07 AM (detCI)

956
For all of those who are taking the future into their own hands I would
suggest they investigate diesel autos and possibly diesel trucks.

There is quite possibly going to be a war in the middle east that will disrupt the life-blood of the world economy.

Think it through.>>

You do know diesel and gasoline come from the same barrel right? there is no hedge for driving energy. You could try propane but if oil drops out that will spike too.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 01:07 AM (plCGI)

957 Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 12:56 AM (79EF9)

I, for one, do not believe in "free will," or any other forms of magic.



(And if you could figure out the philosophical implications of your materialism, you wouldn't either.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:07 AM (aSf5o)

958 Don't support the Mass Media anymore. Don't make it a revenge thing, make it a financial and spiritual thing.

Watching them will literally make you crazy and sick.

Don't take resentment out on those you can't be sure are the Blue Bots. Refuse, politely and quietly, to patronize those who are against all you feel as important. Don't make a point of it to them just don't associate or spend your money with them.

Research who you do business with, make note of who they admire, praise and who they resent and condemn. This can tell you a lot.

If they don't give any clues, give them the benefit of the doubt as they're at least smart enough to keep their attitudes out of their business.

Reduce your spending on extras and stock up on storeable necessities. Buy easily liquidated personal property. Things that would be useful under many conditions for yourself or in trade. Even some luxury items fall into this category.

Don't brag about your stash or what you're doing.

The actions and reactions to the current financial breakdown will most likely be rather sudden (this is the preparing time now) and there's no telling when things will drop.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:08 AM (SP4jC)

959 933 Samwise - I said nothing of the sort, and you prove my point with your post.

Posted by: Baldy at November 08, 2012 01:08 AM (opS9C)

960 don't the demographic facts that face us demand such a nuclear option for the republican party?

It's easy to think the day after a big disappointment. I want to give it a few weeks and see how I feel. It also gives the orange one time to show me how the party is going to handle this. To be fair though your not the first to float the question today.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Trying to have Faith and not worry, no matter the outcome. at November 08, 2012 01:08 AM (GE1+K)

961 For all of those who are taking the future into their own hands I would suggest they investigate diesel autos and possibly diesel trucks.

You mean for the vegetable-oil conversions?

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 01:08 AM (FcR7P)

962 "940 What is the definition of a TROLL?

Fake or real.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 12:57 AM (SP4jC) "

Someone who is posting disingenuously, so as to manipulate the emotional state of others. Sort of like a journalist. Pretty much exactly like a journalist.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:09 AM (aSf5o)

963 >>> Jimi Ray, how would you feel if you came home to find your fiance had hanged himself in the shower?

I can't speak for him, but I would feel very, very, very bad.

You know one of the things I would feel bad about? That she had to die alone and I wasn't there with her.

You know another thing I'd feel bad about? That she felt she couldn't talk to me or someone else she loved about it first, for fear that they would use force to stop her from ending the pain she was feeling. I wouldn't have that chance to save her life, ethically, in a way that respected her feelings and autonomy.

You know another thing that would bother me? Knowing that the woman I loved gasped out her last breaths in strangled pain and horror.

As much as I wouldn't want her to die, if she absolutely had to do so, I would want to be holding her hand, looking into her eyes, and then telling her I love her.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:09 AM (SKX2R)

964 Hollowpoint

Is it that you can't have multiple minority parties cobble together majority support for legislation in house and senate? I think the difficulties of actually achieving office is a valid concern for a 3rd party, but once actually legislating what are the procedural impediments? (canadian asking, remember). thanks!

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:09 AM (Kd6lF)

965 Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 12:59 AM (aSf5o)

Your talk so far hasn't been too humble. so I'm not sure how you meant that.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:10 AM (SP4jC)

966 "Jimi Ray, how would you feel if you came home to find your fiance had hanged himself in the shower?"

well, i should be clear i don't support suicide as a capricious, emotionally reactive decision. when i said "totally intent on dying", i meant the sort of person who has presumably discussed the issue with whatever loved ones he might have and certainly the psychiatrist that would be prescribing him the cyanide capsule.

there's really no chance of my fiancé killing himself...he's got an amazing family, an amazing job, and an amazing supercute and megadevoted fiancé that he turned gay and now has to take care of for the rest of his life...you break it, you buy it! xD

still, just to entertain the thought experiment, if he ever were so depressed as to be entertaining suicidal thoughts, i'd assume we'd talk through his pain over many months...and if some appreciable time from the onset of whatever suffering caused him to be suicidal, he still just wanted to go, then no, at that point, i wouldn't keep him here.

i love him enough that i'm not so selfish to want to keep him here if even my company isn't good enough to prevent him from feeling unbearable psychological pain. i'd rather he be freed from his pain if that's what he wanted...i know it's not a decision he'd take lightly, because he takes his responsibility to me very seriously.

as utterly horrid a thought that is >.

it would hurt, of course. but i don't think i could bear that he were keeping himself here in unbearable psychological pain just to satisfy my selfish need for his company and affection.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 01:10 AM (79EF9)

967 "953 Mirror Image

I'm sorry you think I'm trolling. I'm actually learning from the crew here. Why do you think it won't work?

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:05 AM (Kd6lF) "

I just don't see how it could.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:12 AM (aSf5o)

968 Also, does anyone here have a policy to stop people who are incredibly unhappy from incompetently poisoning themselves, or shooting their faces off, or jumping off cliff to die 19 hours later in some hospital, or dying like a criminal by a noose, without the benefit of a skilled executioner to make it go quicker?

Because I don't think you do.

I'm talking about allowing people who want to die to die as well as a dog.

Most likely after feeling more free to talk it over with others than they can under our present situation. And more likely to be with their loved ones at the end if they do ultimately decide to leave this world.

Which is an inevitability in any case.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:13 AM (SKX2R)

969 You have no concept of virtue, scientist.

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 01:14 AM (I88Jc)

970 "Well, actually, it increases blood pressure. Which is not good. But it's also not cancer."

The big danger with cigs isn't cancer. It's heart disease. Not only from hypertension, but also from the CO noodling around your blood stream. Yeah, e-cigs aren't perfect, but they're much, much better than the leaded variety.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 08, 2012 01:15 AM (1+XRG)

971 Samwise, I know I just popped in here a short while ago, but what's up with the morbid talk?

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 01:15 AM (detCI)

972 You mean for the vegetable-oil conversions?>>

Well we as Americans do eat a lot of french fries but not enough to fuel anything but an 1% fleet of cars. And using corn for fueling our cars has worked like a dream so far.

I assume you were being sarcastic but had to respond to such stupidity anyways.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 01:16 AM (plCGI)

973 You sound like a very decent person, jimi ray. If only on here, it's an honor to know you.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:16 AM (SKX2R)

974
Just because nobody has mentioned guns in a few posts- if you like to shoot more than a few times a year, consider a handloading kit. Lee makes a pretty inexpensive starter kit, or you can regularly find used gear.

If you're going to reload fora pistol use a charge that will almost fill the case. If you accidently double charge one you'll see it. Otherwise very bad things will happen. (voice of experience)

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 01:16 AM (+9AX9)

975 From the sidebar: "even when conservatives won elections, the people who lost those elections taught our children the next day."

Very true and also even when conservatives won elections or had rational points to make or valid criticisms of policy or pending laws, they were countered by a Mass Media who's purpose was to push it's own agenda on the American people.

And that turned into actually pushing a particular candidate.

Let them have their day and let them have their way. The best that can be hoped for is to avoid the fallout from their unwise and risky schemes.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:17 AM (SP4jC)

976 Wasn't being sarcastic, just wondering why you were recommending diesel for a scarce-oil scenario.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 01:18 AM (FcR7P)

977 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:09 AM (SKX2R)

You are a real piece of shit.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:18 AM (aSf5o)

978 Where's the equation proving honor, internet all-star?

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (I88Jc)

979 Samwise, Jimi, it's not selfish at all to demand your loved ones stick around. It's not just for you. It's for their parents, their friends, their siblings, their coworkers, the people they say hi to as they're walking down the street... lots of other people care for you more than you think they do. And they'd spend the rest of their days wondering, could I have prevented it somehow? No matter how tangentially related, it eats away at them.

I, for one, would never put even a casual acquaintance through that.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (RLZvP)

980 "(And if you could figure out the philosophical implications of your materialism, you wouldn't either.)"

please.

i don't believe in "libertarian free will" by any means.

i've made plenty of comments here about the deadly implications of modern neuroscience's ability to predict one's choices before he even thinks the choices have been made to the idea of "libertarian free will".

trust me, i understand what an illusion the idea of "choice" really is.

that being said, if the decision circuitry in one's brain has concluded that it would be less unpleasurable for the individual to cease all neural function, then who am i to overrule?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (79EF9)

981 MiketheMoose

you're definitely right that the emotional letdown of 11/6/12 (Republican Naqba) is a factor here. the hoping all election long that the numbers would pick up, that the first debate boost would last, the late polls were wrong and so forth...the hoping and losing hurt. it leaves me hardly willing to question the demographic numbers we're also faced with. though perhaps we might not get immigration reform or PR statehood or more dead old white GOP voters and more live young Dems by the next round.

my sense though is that if we do need to go nuclear, we need to able to talk about it openly and think it about for the day boner cries tears of joy in welcoming new illegal immigrants 'out of the shadows' and into the transitional assistance offices of the nation....

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (Kd6lF)

982 Sassy, thanks.

I'll have to check on the distances. I'm pretty close to Kenosha, so Madison is not far at all. I'll have to check on Marquette. What courses are the best to pursue? Just broadcasting, or should I take journalism as well? I'm sure I can look at brochures to figure out this out. I definitely need to inquire about financial aid, though. I have very little income at the moment.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (626t3)

983 >>> Samwise, I know I just popped in here a short while ago, but what's up with the morbid talk?

Peaches, in mind completely understandably, was offended by something Llarry said about suicidal feelings, although Llarry meant no wrong by it.

With another commenter talking about suicide last night after the election, it was on my mind today.

It's something I've given a lot of personal thought to, as well as philosophical thought to.

I've also had someone I loved to so recently (by hanging) and so it was fresh in my mind and heart. I've also considered doing it personally, including recently.

Further, it's an important human rights issue. Who owns our life?

It's also an issue of compassion and kindness. I've made my points about that above.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:20 AM (SKX2R)

984 Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:18 AM (aSf5o)

he's a subtle bugger and almost believable. so far no one's fallen for his faux concern and has in fact been the recipient of some very pointed attacks.

Still he must have some reason to continue. I've never understood folks like that. when I feel my presence is unwanted or unhelpful an not appreciated, I go somewhere else.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:21 AM (SP4jC)

985 965

Stoically.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:21 AM (aSf5o)

986 Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 01:10 AM (79EF9)

Jenny, I don't like it when you troll.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:22 AM (aSf5o)

987 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:13 AM (SKX2R)

Yes.

Christianity.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:23 AM (aSf5o)

988 Mirror Image,

You make a good case. Sold.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:23 AM (Kd6lF)

989 And, Sandy, as much as I don't think he'll be the straw that broke the camel's back, I'm also always shocked by people like Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney.

He already called on me to kill myself previously on this thread. Why would you do that? I don't know. I don't do that sort of thing. But I've encountered a lot of such people, and they're definitely not all Democrats.

He adds this gem:

>>> You are a real piece of shit.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:18 AM

Now it couldn't possibly be that I've experienced a lot of pain (of course, I know other people have too) and this, plus principled philosophical differences, have let me to a different conclusion than him, and I wish the best for you.

No, he has got to say I should kill myself, then an hour later add that I'm a piece of shit.

Why are there such people in the world? And these people consider themselves the good one?

I honestly don't know.

But frankly it goes in the pile of "reasons for" suicide as opposed to "ideas against".

Which apparently is just fine with him.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:24 AM (SKX2R)

990 I, for one, would never put even a casual acquaintance through that.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (RLZvP)

Just the thought of what I would leave behind for someone else to deal with has kept me from delving too deeply into gloomy thoughts.

Besides, it all will end sometime for everyone.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:24 AM (SP4jC)

991 "969 You have no concept of virtue, scientist.

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 01:14 AM (I88Jc) "

They're not scientists. Just atheists being atheists.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:25 AM (aSf5o)

992 "971 Samwise, I know I just popped in here a short while ago, but what's up with the morbid talk?

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 01:15 AM (detCI) "

He's trolling.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:26 AM (aSf5o)

993 Crazee, I'm probably a little older than you (by 20 years or so), but at the time when I was in college, I saw the J school (or any journalism school at colleges) a unnecessary -- if you're goal is radio or tv. Other people will refute that of course, but this was simply my opinion. Learn how production works first. As a Comm. Arts major, I was required to take at least 9 credits of production (video, film, and then I took screenwriting, which became my thesis course). The production courses are the most valuable. Since you're not taking this for a BA, skip the film theory courses that all of us were required to take. Stick to the production classes and then get yourself an internship at the local radio stations in Madison. Email them and call them. Once you're in your internship, make a resume CD for yourself. Then send it around to the areas you want to target. It's pretty simple. And at least in this day and age, you have the internet and email to help you and to follow up with people. I only had the phone back in my day. Can't tell you how many 3/4 inch tapes I FedExed to news directors around the country, then had to follow up by phone with these news directors who had way more important things to deal with other than answering every 22 year olds' calls asking "Did you see my tape?"

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 01:26 AM (detCI)

994 Baldy makes a point about me not relating with people or something. I think it's overblown, but I DO think he has a point.

For example, I cannot relate with Mirror-Universe. I haven't a clue.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:27 AM (SKX2R)

995 "973 You sound like a very decent person, jimi ray. If only on here, it's an honor to know you.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:16 AM (SKX2R) "

Ha. Have fun, Jenny.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:27 AM (aSf5o)

996 Seriously? We're still debating the merits of suicide for those suffering from emotional (and thus temporary) problems?

News Alert- You have that right already. No law can punish you after death. Utilizing that right makes one a stupid, self indulgent, impulsive, thoughtless loser, but it doesn't require a permit.

If you are considering it, there's something wrong with you. Something fixable. Just take it to someone more qualified than Internet strangers on a political blog.

Take it to someone who would have to plan disposal of your stinking rotting corpse.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 01:27 AM (X9Mnx)

997 >>> i don't believe in "libertarian free will" by any means.

>>> i've made plenty of comments here about the deadly implications of modern neuroscience's ability to predict one's choices before he even thinks the choices have been made to the idea of "libertarian free will".

>>> trust me, i understand what an illusion the idea of "choice" really is.

And why does it not surprise me at all that a person I said was a decent person, a kind and humane person, is that in touch with reality?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:28 AM (SKX2R)

998 >>> Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 01:27 AM

I'm not here for therapy, Hollowpoint. I'm discussing the ideas themselves, and I didn't raise it incidentally.

But yes, life and death and policies and laws surrounding it, and the nature of reality itself, all form the matrix of politics and policies.

Not to mention, life itself.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:30 AM (SKX2R)

999 [Sigh] Ignore those crazy christians as they die out because the followers of Allah will be so much more tolerant.

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 01:30 AM (I88Jc)

1000 then who am i to overrule?
Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (79EF9)

Because the mind can play tricks on itself, make bad judgments, perceive that which doesn't exist or feel that which is false.

I apply a 72 hour rule with certain rules.

It's worked so far. We are bio-chemical beings and as such are susceptible to external manipulations of our chemical state which can induce incorrect thoughts and feelings. (both being the outcome of biochemical states being measured and quantified by our biochemical brain)

Lots of room for error there. GIGO

I have a list that must be answered in the affirmative before any "final" decisions may be acted upon.

think of it as a programmer's decision tree.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:31 AM (SP4jC)

1001 Maybe next time we can have Lindsey Graham be our nominee. Then you can really feel suicidal.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:31 AM (Kd6lF)

1002 I am the man of constant sorrow
I've seen trouble all my days
I bid farewell to ol' Kentucky
The place where I was born and raised.

The place where he was born and raised

Four long years I've been in trouble,
no pleasure here on earth I've found
For in this world, I'm bound to ramble,
I have no friends to help me now.

He has no friends to help him now

Posted by: Hu's on 1st at November 08, 2012 01:31 AM (e8kgV)

1003 "979 Samwise, Jimi, it's not selfish at all to demand your loved ones stick around. It's not just for you. It's for their parents, their friends, their siblings, their coworkers, the people they say hi to as they're walking down the street... lots of other people care for you more than you think they do. And they'd spend the rest of their days wondering, could I have prevented it somehow? No matter how tangentially related, it eats away at them.

I, for one, would never put even a casual acquaintance through that.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (RLZvP) "

A person should live for himself, his passions, and God. Anything else is socialism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:31 AM (aSf5o)

1004 Samwise - please don't tell me you wanted to kill yourself over the election results?
Also, I am very sorry to hear about your friend. I can't imagine what that would be like. I'm guessing this has to do with why you broke up with your GF recently. Granted, I'm nowhere near as self-reflective as you appear to be, and without sounding trite (even though it will come across that way) instead of being by yourself, try to let off some steam by going out with your friends and meeting new people. The other night you were patting yourself on the back with how great you are at getting women's phone numbers and asking them out. Now might be a good time to get back into your game instead of dwelling on this abomination that happened last night.

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 01:32 AM (detCI)

1005 Sassy, good stuff. Thanks. And heck, the production courses will be useful if I ever decide to dabble with my music career again.

I see you on here pretty often, I'll stay in touch. My email's in my nick. I need to now, unfortunately, get some sleep for work tomorrow. Much love.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 01:32 AM (626t3)

1006 "980 "(And if you could figure out the philosophical implications of your materialism, you wouldn't either.)"

please.

i don't believe in "libertarian free will" by any means.

i've made plenty of comments here about the deadly implications of modern neuroscience's ability to predict one's choices before he even thinks the choices have been made to the idea of "libertarian free will".

trust me, i understand what an illusion the idea of "choice" really is.

that being said, if the decision circuitry in one's brain has concluded that it would be less unpleasurable for the individual to cease all neural function, then who am i to overrule?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 01:19 AM (79EF9) "

Who are you to assist?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:33 AM (aSf5o)

1007 Seriously? We're still debating the merits of suicide for those suffering from emotional (and thus temporary) problems?

If you are considering it, there's something wrong with you. Something
fixable. Just take it to someone more qualified than Internet strangers
on a political blog.>>


Or take it to a family member. Yes it may be embarrassing to you but they'll be happier dealing with helping you through it as a living person than a dead one.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 01:34 AM (plCGI)

1008 Actually Lindsey's been pretty aggressive about BenGhazi.

I'm pleasantly surprised. Maybe the boy is growing up.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:34 AM (SP4jC)

1009 >>> Christianity.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:23 AM

You are not a good spokesperson for Christianity.

I guess if Christianity was a schoolyard bullying ring, taunting others to suicide, and accusing others of lying without the slightest bit of evidence ring then you'd be a great spokesperson for that.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:34 AM (SKX2R)

1010 Ok, now it's in my nick. I swear...Whitebread did it to me, now I do it. D'Oh!

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at November 08, 2012 01:34 AM (626t3)

1011
: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd
A guy at work has a wife that tried to commit suicide. After talking to a shrink they did some testing and she was deficient in a chemical, don't recall what it was, so she started taking the meds. Guy said she was fine now but can tell if she misses a dose. So the problem isn't always mental.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 01:35 AM (+9AX9)

1012 "You are not a good spokesperson for Christianity."

Science has been covering itself in glory with its most strident boosters.

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 01:35 AM (I88Jc)

1013 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:20 AM (SKX2R)

Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:36 AM (aSf5o)

1014 No problem, Crazee. Best of luck to you :-)

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 01:36 AM (detCI)

1015 I'm going to become a better fisherman. I haven't been on the water nearly enough this year.

Posted by: Jordan at November 08, 2012 01:36 AM (jRfn3)

1016 Mirror
You did make your case by accusing me of trolling and then not addressing my points, just contradicting them outright. I wasn't paying attention to the other part of the conversation, but if you applied those debating principles, I can't imagine it went well.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:37 AM (Kd6lF)

1017 "984 Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:18 AM (aSf5o)

he's a subtle bugger and almost believable. so far no one's fallen for his faux concern and has in fact been the recipient of some very pointed attacks.

Still he must have some reason to continue. I've never understood folks like that. when I feel my presence is unwanted or unhelpful an not appreciated, I go somewhere else.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:21 AM (SP4jC) "

He derives pleasure from it. He's an epicurean swine.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:38 AM (aSf5o)

1018 "You have no concept of virtue, scientist."

i don't really believe in virtue...at least not absolute virtue.

if i did, i certainly wouldn't think it virtuous to deny someone in so much pain that he was able to suppress the self-preservational instinct, one of the most foundational and fundamental characteristics of life, the right to his own self-determination.

someone hurting to badly that the can suppress the universal will to live to such as extent as to be able to take their own life...it's not humane or virtuous to force someone in such unimaginable pain to keep hurting for our sakes. o.o

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 01:38 AM (79EF9)

1019 Jew46,

You can't be serious about Lindsey...

What about this?
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Lindsey_Graham_Immigration.htm

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:39 AM (Kd6lF)

1020 >>> Samwise - please don't tell me you wanted to kill yourself over the election results?

No, someone else did last night.

>>> Also, I am very sorry to hear about your friend.

Me too.

ALTHOUGH I was also sorry to here from her sister that she had been raped, as the last straw. Unlike her sister, I knew this wasn't the first time it had happened, and it was something she found intolerable.

>>> I'm guessing this has to do with why you broke up with your GF recently.

Cart before the horse, but there might be a relationship there somewhere.

>>> I'm nowhere near as self-reflective as you appear to be, and without sounding trite (even though it will come across that way) instead of being by yourself, try to let off some steam by going out with your friends and meeting new people.

I'm not very happy with people right now. Not the majority of them.

>>> The other night you were patting yourself on the back with how great you are at getting women's phone numbers and asking them out. Now might be a good time to get back into your game instead of dwelling on this abomination that happened last night.

>>> Maybe. I can't say I really have the heart for it right now.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:40 AM (SKX2R)

1021 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:24 AM (SKX2R)

Troll harder, you piece of shit.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:40 AM (aSf5o)

1022 Mirror

You did make your case by accusing me of trolling and then not
addressing my points, just contradicting them outright. I wasn't paying
attention to the other part of the conversation, but if you applied
those debating principles, I can't imagine it went well.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul>>

Your fucking nick tells me you're a troll just fucking go away, we'll take care of the others.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 01:40 AM (plCGI)

1023 If this thread is still about improving yourself, I've ordered a harmonica. I used to dabble in blues harmonica, but never got good. I'd certainly rather learn to play a musical instrument than commit suicide.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 08, 2012 01:40 AM (QyMDY)

1024 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:27 AM (SKX2R)

Doesn't bother me.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:41 AM (aSf5o)

1025 someone hurting to badly that the can suppress the universal will to live to such as extent as to be able to take their own life...it's not humane or virtuous to force someone in such unimaginable pain to keep hurting for our sakes.

The pain is easily imaginable by those of us who have painful things happen to us ... i.e. everybody ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 08, 2012 01:42 AM (gh+mp)

1026 This is actually good and helpful advice, Ace. Thanks. I may try this. I don't smoke much, but really, smoking *at all* is too much.

Posted by: RJ at November 08, 2012 01:42 AM (QTVh2)

1027
Here's my sincere advice for a more positive life: eat primal, as much as possible. Real foods. Yummy animals.

And on top of that? Get laid. Often. It calms your mind and keeps you functioning.

Posted by: Unruly at November 08, 2012 01:42 AM (2h1eI)

1028 Having someone you care about die a natural death, or die in an accident, or get murdered, sucks, but suicide is nothing like that. It's a whole different kind of anguish, because everyone who knew the deceased will feel like he could've, should've, done more to keep that person interested in living.

Sure, there are exceptions to this, like honor cultures, where they consider suicide a valid way to make up for a mistake. But Christian cultures like the USA aren't based on honor; they're based on compassion, and suicide is not a compassionate act. It's a very selfish one. It's pushing away whatever pain you're feeling and forcing it onto everyone who knows you.

And it's an exception to the old saw about misery shared being divided; it's actually multiplied on sharing, the same way joy is.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 01:42 AM (RLZvP)

1029 >>> i certainly wouldn't think it virtuous to deny someone in *so much pain* that he was able to suppress the *self-preservational instinct,* one of the most foundational and fundamental characteristics of life, the right to his own self-determination.

>>> someone hurting to badly that the can suppress the universal will to live to such as extent as to be able to take their own life...it's not humane or virtuous to force someone in such unimaginable pain to *keep hurting* for our sakes. o.o

To me this is just so obviously and clearly true, and moral, and I can sense the decency and compassion you have. I just wish it was more widespread.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:43 AM (SKX2R)

1030 @964 Roald Dahl- It's a little complicated. In part because we have two houses of Congress, each controlled by the majority party of that chamber whic controls what reaches a vote.

The House and Senate serve different length terms, which means they're elected in seperate years. That would open the potential for parties in different chambers to have to form different alliances with different parties depending on whether they were in the House oe Senate.

And that doesn't even cover Presidential elections.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 01:43 AM (X9Mnx)

1031 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:30 AM (SKX2R)

Right. You're just full of "profound ideas."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:44 AM (aSf5o)

1032 When the trolls outnumber the morons it's time to go to bed so Goodnight all (or fuck you troll) as the case may be.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 01:44 AM (plCGI)

1033 Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:39 AM (Kd6lF)

Well as events have shown us, maybe his way is correct?

But I was mostly praising him for pressing on the Benghazi debacle.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:44 AM (SP4jC)

1034 That's really horrific about your friend, Samwise. I can be a bit flip on here because, well, I don't know any of you, you're all internet people. Where do you live now? I'm wondering if you could and would want to meet some of the people on here in your area. At least that way you're placing faces with names. A lot of us are decent people. Anyway, hugs.

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 01:44 AM (detCI)

1035 jimi ray,

If the world was mainly composed of people who were as reasonable and compassionate and respectful of others as you are, there is no doubt in my mind I would want to live in it.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:45 AM (SKX2R)

1036 To me this is just so obviously and clearly true, and moral, and I can sense the decency and compassion you have. I just wish it was more widespread.

Most of us manage to leave behind 'It has to be the truth because I believe it' at about age 15 or 16. Do try to keep up.

Posted by: Adriane at November 08, 2012 01:45 AM (gh+mp)

1037 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:34 AM (SKX2R)

Try harder, atheist.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:46 AM (aSf5o)

1038 >>> Here's my sincere advice for a more positive life: eat primal, as much as possible. Real foods. Yummy animals.

>>> And on top of that? Get laid. Often. It calms your mind and keeps you functioning.

LOL

Totally.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:46 AM (SKX2R)

1039 epicurean sado-masochist?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:47 AM (SP4jC)

1040 Well Mirror,

You've got me. I like Roald Dahl. I guess I'm a troll. Good pickup.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:47 AM (Kd6lF)

1041 Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:37 AM (Kd6lF)

Thanks for your input.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:47 AM (aSf5o)

1042 Here's my sincere advice for a more positive life: eat primal, as much as possible.

Yep. If nothing else, it keeps you far away from the healthcare industry. And, as you said, you get to eat lots of yummy animals.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 01:48 AM (FcR7P)

1043 For all of the people on this thread pointing out the benefits they've received from Paleo / Primal / Low-Carb lifestyles.

You're totally right.

Why does this work rather than a carb (bread) based diet?

Uh ... 'cause we're evolved animals.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:48 AM (SKX2R)

1044 Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 01:38 AM (79EF9)

Instincts are for animals.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:48 AM (aSf5o)

1045 so. i guess this is the ont?

I'm out.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:48 AM (SP4jC)

1046 Pain? Where's its measure?


Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 01:49 AM (I88Jc)

1047 >>> You've got me. I like Roald Dahl. I guess I'm a troll. Good pickup.
Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:47 AM

Ha ha ha.

Oh man. Belly laugh over that one.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:49 AM (SKX2R)

1048 Good night, Buzzsaw. Good night, Jcw46, Sassy, Hollowpoint, MUR, JustLikeDavidHasselhoff, Prothonotary Warbler, Unruly, RJ, morons, -ettes, lurkers, trolls, Elder Billy Goat Gruff, Younger Billy Goat Gruff, bridge designers, toll takers ...

Better tomorrows.

Posted by: Adriane at November 08, 2012 01:49 AM (gh+mp)

1049 @998 Samwise- In that case you're simply a shallow emo bore.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 01:50 AM (X9Mnx)

1050 If Christianity is not true I will die being know as a good man. If it is true you sir are going to hell. Billy Graham

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 08, 2012 01:50 AM (+9AX9)

1051 Uh ... 'cause we're evolved animals.>>

We are omnivores and mixed from tribes from all over the world. If you think there is one diet plan that works for everybody you are kidding yourself abot how evolution works.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 08, 2012 01:51 AM (plCGI)

1052 Hollowpoint 1030 - so complicated but perhaps not impossible (and perhaps forcing multipartisanship rather than relying on supermajorities vs gridlock)?

Jew46 1033 - he has done well with Benghazi for sure, but it would depress the hell out of me if the future of conservatism in America is defined by the Lindsey Graham way. I'd vote for him, but let's just say I wouldn't have a thrill up my leg.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:52 AM (Kd6lF)

1053 "1028 Having someone you care about die a natural death, or die in an accident, or get murdered, sucks, but suicide is nothing like that. It's a whole different kind of anguish, because everyone who knew the deceased will feel like he could've, should've, done more to keep that person interested in living.

Sure, there are exceptions to this, like honor cultures, where they consider suicide a valid way to make up for a mistake. But Christian cultures like the USA aren't based on honor; they're based on compassion, and suicide is not a compassionate act. It's a very selfish one. It's pushing away whatever pain you're feeling and forcing it onto everyone who knows you.

And it's an exception to the old saw about misery shared being divided; it's actually multiplied on sharing, the same way joy is.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 01:42 AM (RLZvP) "

People who employ the term "selfish" are almost never altruists. Try to figure out why that might be.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:53 AM (aSf5o)

1054 Well this thread depressed me after a while and I was already way depressed over last night. Off to dreamland now. Hope everyone has a better tomorrow. Only 2 more days until the weekend. Ya gotta look forward to something.

Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 01:53 AM (detCI)

1055 nite nite

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:54 AM (Kd6lF)

1056 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:43 AM (SKX2R)

You are truly detestable.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:54 AM (aSf5o)

1057 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:45 AM (SKX2R)

LOL.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:56 AM (aSf5o)

1058 Good night, Adriane!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 01:56 AM (RLZvP)

1059 "The secret to long life? Heh, that's easy. Two packs of Camels and a pint of Jack each day, and a new woman every time I can get my hands on one."

Posted by: 102-year-old interviewed by Al Roker at November 08, 2012 01:56 AM (2c1Cq)

1060 >>> We are omnivores and mixed from tribes from all over the world. If you think there is one diet plan that works for everybody you are kidding yourself abot how evolution works.

If I was doing that.

Priimal / Paleo / Low-Carb cover a lot of different options and interpretations.

Our pre-agricultural ancestors ranged from tropical jungle and sub-tropical savanah dwellers to the Eskimos.

Their macronutrient ratios varied a lot.

But their consumption of grains was generally low to non-existent, and their consumption of fruits anywhere from medium to low, but usually seasonal. Vegetables somewhat more.

As a kid, I lived off the land for 3 months with survival training and a native food guide for company. I know a thing or two.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:56 AM (SKX2R)

1061 My ex did the suicide thing, and it was unbelieveable hell for the kids. Selfish, yes. Rational, no.

Posted by: Moana at November 08, 2012 01:57 AM (Rilbs)

1062 "1039 epicurean sado-masochist?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 08, 2012 01:47 AM (SP4jC) "

Probably just the first two.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:57 AM (aSf5o)

1063 alright so i'll change my handle. since apparently one can't have a handle that would be read as ronulan. what should i choose?

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:57 AM (Kd6lF)

1064 "1040 Well Mirror,

You've got me. I like Roald Dahl. I guess I'm a troll. Good pickup.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:47 AM (Kd6lF) "

You're extremely stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 01:58 AM (aSf5o)

1065 "Pain? Where's its measure? "

same place as art...in the mind of the beholder.

it follows that only any individual can really know the measure of his own pain...and so it's up to each and every individual to determine if his pain is unbearable or not.

most people, even when in the worst circumstances imaginable to them, still don't hurt enough to suppress the self-preservational instinct.

the ones that do are hurting beyond belief...it's no "coward's way out" to confront the emptiness of death head-on when life is essentially hard-wired to fear death above all things.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 02:00 AM (79EF9)

1066 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 01:48 AM (SKX2R)

Some of us are evolved. Some of us are animals.


And Leftists are wrong about everything.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:00 AM (aSf5o)

1067 "1048 Good night, Buzzsaw. Good night, Jcw46, Sassy, Hollowpoint, MUR, JustLikeDavidHasselhoff, Prothonotary Warbler, Unruly, RJ, morons, -ettes, lurkers, trolls, Elder Billy Goat Gruff, Younger Billy Goat Gruff, bridge designers, toll takers ...

Better tomorrows.

Posted by: Adriane at November 08, 2012 01:49 AM (gh+mp) "

Night.


(MUR. I like that.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:02 AM (aSf5o)

1068 "My ex did the suicide thing, and it was unbelieveable hell for the kids."

yeah, it's really not right for someone with children to kill himself. it's not right for someone with responsibilities to the welfare of another, period...even if he has pets that he knows won't be placed in homes for his act of self-deliverance.

there are certainly cases in which suicide can be selfish. there are also many cases in which the would-be patient has no earthly responsibilities that would ethically prevent an early exit.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 02:02 AM (79EF9)

1069 I picked this week to quit sniffing glue.

Turns out it was the wrong week.

I'll try to quit again next week. Then I'll work on quitting nicotine- and ethanol-spiked amphetamines.

Posted by: Steve McCroskey at November 08, 2012 02:03 AM (eHIJJ)

1070 @1052 Roald- Not impossible. Just incredibly difficult given the stakes, money and organization required for a candidate to win national office.

It's not like we never considered it- there were about 8 Presidential candidates on my ballot. They got maybe 2% of the vote combined.

I won't and can't go into all the ways our political system is a two party system, but it's not because we haven't noticed how other countries have do things.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2012 02:03 AM (X9Mnx)

1071 Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 01:52 AM (Kd6lF)

You're an imbecile. Any future is better than no future.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:04 AM (aSf5o)

1072 Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 02:00 AM (79EF9)

No pain is truly unbearable.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:06 AM (aSf5o)

1073 #1063: How do you feel about Henry Cabot Henhouse III?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 02:07 AM (RLZvP)

1074 Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 02:02 AM (79EF9)

It's really not right for atheists to judge others.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:07 AM (aSf5o)

1075 "most people, even when in the worst circumstances imaginable to them,
still don't hurt enough to suppress the self-preservational instinct."

So that's why you can never be wrong?

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 02:09 AM (I88Jc)

1076 Well, good night everyone.


And God bless.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:10 AM (aSf5o)

1077 Can we now, at least, drop any pretense about Chief Justice John Roberts doing us a HUGE favor by keeping Obamacare constitutional to help him be defeated?

(Looking at you, Erick Erickson)

Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 02:12 AM (appbn)

1078 "It's really not right for atheists to judge others."

i'm not an atheist; i have no opinion whatsoever on the nonscientific question of whether there is a god, and i feel like the philosophical position of atheism requires as much faith, and is as scientifically irresponsible, as the philosophical position of theism.

either way, pretty sure your bible says "judgment is mine, says the lord"; and "judge not, lest ye be judged". @.@

sounds like it's not such a great thing for xtians to judge others, either. pity you guys never seem to get the message, innit? xP

"So that's why you can never be wrong?"

i have an opinion, just like you.

sorry it bothers you that, unlike you, i can actually provide an explanation for why i hold my opinions that goes beyond that precivilisational cop-out, "because the bible told me so".

neither you nor anybody else here is going to change his mind on the internet, so i'm not sure why you feel it's appropriate to single me out for not changing my opinions just because i've thought about them enough to discuss them at length.

i'm wrong on here plenty, and i freely offer up a "touché" to anyone who corrects me...but i'm not going to concede an argument to someone who has nothing more to offer than some insult about my lack of virtue.

oh, and grow the fuck up.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 02:15 AM (79EF9)

1079 Can we now, at least, drop any pretense about Chief Justice John Roberts doing us a HUGE favor by keeping Obamacare constitutional to help him be defeated?


-------

After today's rants, I'm dropping any pretense about Erick Erickson being a serious person.

Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 02:15 AM (arczc)

1080 Mirror

I'd argue with you, but you're a pushover. You make statements, not arguments. Do you by any chance have a government job?

Anyway, consider this the retirement of my current handle. To be replaced by 'Pyrrho of Elis Part 2: The Secret of the Ooze'

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 08, 2012 02:16 AM (Kd6lF)

1081 ".but i'm not going to concede an argument to someone who has nothing more to offer than some insult about my lack of virtue."

Jimi, you do show me that pride truly is the original sin.

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 02:17 AM (I88Jc)

1082 Strong Point. Roberts is a turncoat. He's better than another Sotomayor, but then again he's no wise Latina.

Posted by: Pyrrho of Elis Part 2: The Secret of the Ooze at November 08, 2012 02:18 AM (Kd6lF)

1083
'Pyrrho of Elis Part 2: The Secret of the Ooze' is quite the mouthful. I get kind of tongue tied over Pyyrho, like where do you place the accent and how is that extra y used? And is Elis pronounced El Liss or El Lees and when I think about these things, I start to cry.

Roald Dahl Paul on the other hand makes me laugh like a Pavlov dog.

Posted by: Unruly at November 08, 2012 02:19 AM (2h1eI)

1084 just try to focus on the Ninja Turtles movie from whence the name has come and soothe yourself with the sweet rhymes of Vanilla ice...

Posted by: Pyrrho of Elis Part 2: The Secret of the Ooze at November 08, 2012 02:21 AM (Kd6lF)

1085 #1078: "Judge not, lest ye be judged" doesn't mean "never judge another person". It means, "If you're going to pass judgment on someone, you'd better be prepared to be judged by the same standard". It was an admonition against hypocrisy, not against the very concept of judgment.

In other words, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 02:30 AM (RLZvP)

1086 "It was an admonition against hypocrisy, not against the very concept of judgment."

i'm quite certain i've heard the alternate exegesis far more commonly; perhaps it's a matter of considering the source, tho x.X

that being said, the interpretation you provide is all the more apposite; judging someone for judging, after all, is the ultimate sort of ironic hypocrisy.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 02:33 AM (79EF9)

1087 The world is yours, Jimi.

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 02:35 AM (I88Jc)

1088 I've come to the conclusion my generation was raised to be prisoners and princesses. The current are pussies and porn stars.

Thanks again, Boomers!

Posted by: blehzor at November 08, 2012 02:37 AM (s9K+V)

1089 Oh, the Innocence of Muslims guy got sentenced to ONE YEAR in prison.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 02:38 AM (SKX2R)

1090 #1086: Jesus had some other similar quotes, like the one about the mote in someone else's eye versus the plank in your own.

And then there's the big one of "He among you who is without sin, let him cast the first stone." People who quote that one tend to leave off the end of that parable, when the crowd has dispersed and the adulteress says, "So, what happens to me now?"

Jesus responds, "You? You can go on home. Oh, and stop sinning." That sure looks like a judgment to me.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 02:39 AM (RLZvP)

1091 I quit cold turkey on 9-11. I literally stood two feet in front of the TV the entire day and smoked my last cigs the night before, so I was out. I planned on getting some in the morning but the attack changed those plans. I also thought to myself that if I had to run for my life like the folks in the towers, I would have died from running or I wouldn't have gotten far. Smoking 2 packs of Newports a day has ruined my health and vitality. It's taken many years to regain some of that health and vitality back. Smoking also wrecks your vision and turns your blood into peanut butter while your doing it. We all have our free will, but before you know it, smoking will catch up to you and then if you're lucky you might be able to reverse some of the damage. I suspect that they have something to do with panic attacks and anxiety too as I've seen people who have quit suffer from them, as I have. It's your choice.

Posted by: OxyCon at November 08, 2012 02:41 AM (U7XyJ)

1092 Just want to tell any and all liberals who are thinking about talking to us in a "reasonable" manner about what we should do. Stfu. We know what you're going to say. It's always the same. Move towards your positions. After all, your positions are, by definition, reasonable and moderate. And ours are, by definition, extremist and fringe. So, save your breath, we know the schtick.

/rant

Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 02:41 AM (arczc)

1093 >>> I quit cold turkey on 9-11.

That's a great story.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 02:43 AM (SKX2R)

1094 "Jesus responds, "You? You can go on home. Oh, and stop sinning." That sure looks like a judgment to me."

heh.

given that jesus is generally accepted by most xtian theologians to have been without sin -- or at least represented as such in the bible -- i don't think there's any philosophical problems with jesus throwing as many stones as he wants.

i'm not so sure how prudent such behaviour would be for those who have sinned fallen short of god's/jesus' glory.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 08, 2012 02:49 AM (79EF9)

1095 You never hear of horror stories like these from people trying to ditch (NPI) weed.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2012 02:50 AM (jybqM)

1096 When Whittaker Chambers accused Alger Hiss of being a Soviet spy, he admitted that he knew because he'd been a Soviet spy himself. In the act of judging Hiss, he presented himself for judgment by the same standard.

That was totally in keeping with the teachings of Jesus.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 02:50 AM (RLZvP)

1097 #1089

Now you know duration the Ombamites assign the US public for an attention span. They're betting when the guy gets out it won't even rate a mention on the late night news.

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 02:55 AM (kcfmt)

1098 Society needs judgment in order to function. We can't let a serial rapist walk the streets just because sending him to prison would be judging him.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 02:56 AM (RLZvP)

1099 It's reason which keeps those fools' hands from striking down teh gheys.

[sigh]

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 02:59 AM (I88Jc)

1100 Guy Benson, political editor at Townhall.com who also posts at their Hot Air property, makes good points:

"The polls were broadly right, both at the state and national levels"

"Gallup and Rasmussen upon which my assumptions were based were wildly off."
http://goo.gl/b3zWp

The conclusion I draw is that the pollsters we like best, Rasmussen and Gallup, are not the best, or at least weren't this year.

It looks like our political analysts suck, and Pew, Nate Silver, etc., is where it's at.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:02 AM (SKX2R)

1101 >>> Society needs judgment in order to function. We can't let a serial rapist walk the streets just because sending him to prison would be judging him.

Yes. Obviously.

Our brains are judging organs. That what they do.

The idea that we shouldn't judge, whether that's from literal-minded Christians or hippies, is asinine.

We couldn't not judge if we tried.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:03 AM (SKX2R)

1102 In the quote about Gallup and Rasmussen, I truncated it. He was talking about their party affiliation numbers.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:06 AM (SKX2R)

1103 "Gallup and Rasmussen upon which my assumptions were based were wildly off."
http://goo.gl/b3zWp

The conclusion I draw is that the pollsters we like best, Rasmussen and Gallup, are not the best, or at least weren't this year.

It looks like our political analysts suck, and Pew, Nate Silver, etc., is where it's at.

-------

I guess if you were born just this election that would work. But considering Rasmussen was the most accurate in 2008 these broad strokes you're painting don't fly.

And let's be clear about Nate Silver, the man did nothing other than take state polls at face value. Had one just went by the RCP averages he would have gotten 49 out of 50 states right.

Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 03:09 AM (arczc)

1104 >>> And let's be clear about Nate Silver, the man did nothing other than take state polls at face value.

He had the judgement to do so.

We didn't.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:10 AM (SKX2R)

1105 WTF kind of blog is this?

Posted by: gonzotx at November 08, 2012 03:12 AM (4CQjf)

1106 #1105: It's a smart military blog. Didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at November 08, 2012 03:13 AM (RLZvP)

1107 "WTF kind of blog is this?"

It's the gonzo tits blog. You better have some ready to share!

Posted by: derit at November 08, 2012 03:16 AM (I88Jc)

1108 >>> Had one just went by the RCP averages he would have gotten 49 out of 50 states right.

Oh, and I was using the RCP averages as my main data point for the longest time, and everyone here was telling me how dumb I was for doing so, and Rasmussen and Gallup was where it's at.

Because we were ahead in Rasmussen and Gallup.

So I switched to that.

Then those started sliding, and I pointed that out and made predictions accordingly, and was told by everyone here that that's wrong to.

That my theory, stated in advance, that Sandy and Chris Christie, but especially Sandy, were swinging the election toward Romney wouldn't happen. And when Gallup and Rasmussen showed it was happening, I was told by people here it WASN'T happening. That's what I based my near last minute prediction that Romney would lose based on.

And so when Rasmussen and Gallup showed a last-minute pause in Obama's momentum, with a one-point lead each, I went with them and predicted a narrow Obama win.

So my biggest mistakes this election cycle were listening to the commenters here.

As well as to Rasmussen and Gallup.

My previous choice to use the RCP averages was a better one.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:16 AM (SKX2R)

1109 Correction:

And so when Rasmussen and Gallup showed a last-minute pause in Obama's momentum, with a one-point lead each, I went with them and predicted a narrow Romney win.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:17 AM (SKX2R)

1110 Point being, I mostly trusted my own judgement, and was called a Democrat and a troll for doing so, and an Eeyore, and on and on. Just like in '08 and in '10.

Then, near the end, I allowed myself to be a little swayed by you folks and bought into a little of the optimism near the end -- just like I did in '08 and '10.

The commentariat's unbridled optimism was wrong in ALL those cases (especially the one, 2008, where everyone here was bashing Allahpundit and Ace as Eeyores, when in fact both were overly optimistic).

I'm too optimistic when it comes to elections.

But you guys are right out to lunch.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:19 AM (SKX2R)

1111 People were making those predictions based upon historical trends that matched up with what Gallup and Rasmussen were saying. I'm sorry you were mocked, because that's not right or fair. But the predictions people were making weren't completely unfounded.

This blindsided A LOT of people, some of whom are very good at this kind of analysis and have been doing it for decades. :/

Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 03:24 AM (appbn)

1112 this needs to be said twice, at least.|
i put up with this for the last few hours last night at my polling place. nothing they said was too outrageous, and nothing i said was valid. in fact, i was told that my tone and volume, both normal for me in regular conversation, negated any point i tried to make.

fuck them all.

"1092
Just want to tell any and all liberals who are thinking about talking to
us in a "reasonable" manner about what we should do. Stfu. We know what
you're going to say. It's always the same. Move towards your positions.
After all, your positions are, by definition, reasonable and moderate.
And ours are, by definition, extremist and fringe. So, save your breath,
we know the schtick.



/rant"

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 08, 2012 03:27 AM (8MasJ)

1113 as for a life improvement, from now on, if i don't know you, or if i do, and you're a liberal, you're dead to me.

fuck you, go call the Kenyan Kocksucker for a hand if you need help with something, because i only help my own.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 08, 2012 03:28 AM (8MasJ)

1114 >>> I'm sorry you were mocked, because that's not right or fair.

Thanks.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:30 AM (SKX2R)

1115 Oh, and for the sake of completeness, I was an outrageous Pollyanna in 2006, having bought into AJ Strata's disastrously-wrong cocksure "mathematical" analysis.

So I pulled it back in the following 3 elections, but not far enough.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 03:32 AM (SKX2R)

1116 Its so easy to get sucked in!

I was sure Obama would win until the 1st debate.

Then I just drank the kool-aid like no tomorrow, with occasional pangs.

But take it like rooting for a sports team. You feel better then.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 03:44 AM (17xO3)

1117 But, really with 8% unemployement, F&F, Benghazi, etc. and a huge list of lies, by Obama, its not insane to look at those polls and wonder.

I mean, Dewey did lose to Truman.

Its not like you belief in speaking in tongues or something.

The polls were very weird in the internals. D+11...8% unemployment and no growth. Solyndra, Corzine, etc.

I truly think that the media really assisted Obama.

And that some people don't like rich guys.

Keep in mind, The Myth of the Rational Voter, says that people vote to feel good. Does that not totally explain Obama voters?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 03:48 AM (17xO3)

1118 Keep in mind, The Myth of the Rational Voter, says that people vote to feel good. Does that not totally explain Obama voters?

yeah I don't think a whole lot of them voted on purely rational grounds.

They pretended to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, throwing out excuse after excuse for him for why he didn't accomplish more, why he broke his promises, why he didn't do what he himself claimed to do, never mind what he failed to do via his lack of leadership.

At the same time they pounded Mitt Romney for being an untrustworthy liar. WTF? Obama is just as big of a cad as Romney was or would ahve been on that score. But they didn't recognize it. They didn't see their own biases.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 03:51 AM (d/5qf)

1119 Then why did Mia Love lose? The polls had her up double digits.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 03:59 AM (Vk6ZI)

1120 >>> Then why did Mia Love lose? The polls had her up double digits.

Bradley effect.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:00 AM (SKX2R)

1121 Also, just look at how both campaigns were acting in the end... Obama looked TERRIBLY nervous and Romney was cool as a cucumber, as if he knew he had it in the bag. Which means, they both had internal polls telling them Romney would win, or they were also following the idea that a 2008 turnout was not gonna happen, and the polls were BS.

Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 04:04 AM (appbn)

1122 By the way, on the subject of America's political prisoner, what an outrage.

One of the many reasons yesterday was so depressing. For him too, I'm sure.

I'd really like a state to secede, send a special operations team to bust him out of prison, and then say, "F--- you," to the federal and California governments, in a big thumbing of its nose.

Of course, that wouldn't end well and is so not a good idea. But up to that point, I don't mind the thought at all.

By the way, this comment is hyperbole.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:04 AM (SKX2R)

1123 At least, that's how I see it...

Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 04:04 AM (appbn)

1124 >>> Also, just look at how both campaigns were acting in the end... Obama looked TERRIBLY nervous and Romney was cool as a cucumber, as if he knew he had it in the bag. Which means, they both had internal polls telling them Romney would win, or they were also following the idea that a 2008 turnout was not gonna happen, and the polls were BS.

People were actually commenting how Obama looked better the last few days of the campaign. It's late and I can't be bothered trying multiple google searches for it, but I did see video to that effect.

But there are a couple theories, which aren't mutually exclusive.

One, Mitt Romney is a cooler guy used to pressure. Obama's a thin skin.

Two, the public polls were good, internal GOP polling was crap.

I'm sure about one. Not at all sure about two. I think one is sufficient.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:07 AM (SKX2R)

1125 I just have this feeling of doom. I don't want to go to work I just want to hide. I don't know my Country anymore.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 04:08 AM (Vk6ZI)

1126 You've seen Humphrey Bogart playing Captain Queeg in Caine's Mutiny, right TLGM?

He was (although previously a war hero, he'd since lost it) paranoid, vain, thin-skinned, nervous, in even slightly stressful social situations.

I'll bet you there's been plenty of other naval captains in the most dire situations who appeared calm and cool as a cucumber.

It depends on the attributes of the leader.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:15 AM (SKX2R)

1127 @1119 Great point.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 04:20 AM (17xO3)

1128 Obama is just as big of a cad as Romney was or would ahve been on that score.

"just as big"?? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume that you yanked out the wrong phrase. Romney, for all his problems (and there were many in that pathetic campaign) is not a cad in any way. He's a decent, honest guy. There is no comparison between him and the biggest lying douche bag retard this nation has ever seen in office. Barky stands alone in the transparent lies he tells and the underhanded nature of his twisted personality. Barky's lies are so obvious as to be offenses to the intellect.

But they didn't recognize it. They didn't see their own biases.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 03:51 AM (d/5qf)


They see their biases. They just don't care one whit. They are despicable, lying scumbags.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 08, 2012 04:20 AM (X3lox)

1129 I'd like to see some new polls. I want to know what portion of the American electorate can attach any significance to words and phrases that reference issues that should have sank Obama.

What percentage shows any recognition of the name Solyndra? Benghazi? Poodle ala King?

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 04:22 AM (kcfmt)

1130 "Romney was cool as a cucumber"

You do million dollar deals for a living, you get used to being cool. Also, he's lost so many times.

And maybe the polls were weird for them too.

Maybe Sandy saved Obama's bacon.

Idiots.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 04:22 AM (17xO3)

1131 >>> @1119 Great point.
Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 04:20 AM

Take a stab at answering the question.

My theory: http://bit.ly/PFQ4ZE

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:25 AM (SKX2R)

1132 @epobirs, I have a Dem friend who is a very, very rational Democrat. Blue-dog sort.

I mentioned that Obama had all budgets go down 98-0 in the Senate and it looked like he had never heard of that before.

So, yes, and uninformed electorate will of course make poor decisions.

Obama promised to have all laws to have a 5 day comment period before signing them.

He broke that promise within one month.

If a GOPer had done that, it would have been a talking point for months afterword.

Let's not even get started on F&F. That should have been Abu Ghraib style coverage - front page for 6 months.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 04:29 AM (17xO3)

1133 In 2008, I feared America would slide into tyranny if Obama got elected.

And not narrow slice tyranny either, like his frequent rule by executive order and the political prisoner Obama arranged near the end to help him cover-up his part of an ambassador. Even more so.

Well, it wasn't as bad as I thought, so that's some comfort, huh?

But the situation is now this.

The media is no longer any protection from an actual tyranny, even a dictatorship. The only real check is the military and I'm not sure how much of a check that is.

That's assuming Obama doesn't want to fade off into the sunset in 4 years.

How likely is this? Maybe not that likely.

But with the media this corrupt, it's by no means impossible.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:36 AM (SKX2R)

1134 *ambassador's death

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:37 AM (SKX2R)

1135 Well, these are just my personal feelings on the matter, based upon what I saw.

Personally, my gut says this thing was stolen. I could most certainly be wrong. But things like Florida going to Obama, undecideds breaking for the incumbent, North Carolina being such a nail-biter, millions of less voter totals... just feels very suspicious.

Call me a conspiracy nut if you want. Just wanted to get this off of my chest.

Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 04:38 AM (appbn)

1136 "The only real check is the military and I'm not sure how much of a check that is."

You mean you wonder if the military, where generals now call American citizens at home and tell them not to burn Korans might not be what it used to be?

Well, I think I have one more silver lining to Obama - when he pulls out of Afghanistan and it goes into civil war, he gets the blame.

What am I saying? He never gets the blame.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 04:40 AM (17xO3)

1137 OK, TLGM, but I doubt there's a great conspiracy against Mia Love specifically. I think the Bradley effect is a much more likely local factor.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:41 AM (SKX2R)

1138 Infidel is the one who asked why Mia Love lost by so much compared to her double-digit polling lead.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:44 AM (SKX2R)

1139 1135 The problem is we will never know. As long as the schools and media are run by the government we have a problem.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 04:45 AM (Vk6ZI)

1140 UTAH probably doesn't have a lot of Dem election fraud capacity.

Other states? Who knows. Probably not stolen.

Occam's razor - an electorate not made aware of an incumbents fault, who is offering free stuff, and who looks like more and more of the electorate, and who has a base of black voters....

Also, lots of those people who have left the labor force went onto SSDI. They won't be voting for jobs...they already decided to retire.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 04:47 AM (17xO3)

1141 I think people just want the trough. Allen West lost and Alan Grayson won? I boggles the mind.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 04:47 AM (Vk6ZI)

1142 #1133

The left has learned that big violent overthrows won't work anymore. Especially when the bulk of the weapons are in the hands of their opponents.

Instead it is Gramsci's slow march through the institutions. Or you could call it the new normal. You slowly shift things just a little bit at a time. It's like the old adage on how to boil a frog. Through it in boiling water and it will jump out. But put it in a pot of cool water and raise the temperature slowly, and it will succumb before realizing the danger.

A sitting Governor supposedly on our side was bribed by a phone conversation with an aging pop star. In past decades would such a person have been so easily swayed by a phone call from Elvis or Sinatra? But Christie acted like a teenage girl circa 1978. Because we've been taught for decades that someone as sleazy as a traveling stage performer is unto a god. Is it any wonder Clinton affected a rock star persona to wow the kids watching MTV during his first presidential run?

Our priorities have been corrupted by schemers playing a very long game. When we speak of normal now, all too often we are just referring to an earlier stage in our corruption.

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 04:49 AM (kcfmt)

1143 Where do I get my free stuff? I may not have a job soon. It just makes me sick.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 04:50 AM (Vk6ZI)

1144 I suggest the GOP, which for some reason keeps winning state races like crazy - MI, MN, etc. start cracking on school vouchers.

I'd also move tax day to a week before the election. Do that when you pass tax reform.

Hell, the GOP House should agree to all of Obama's budget plans but only ask for that in return.

People vote 6 months before they see the price sticker. How dumb is that?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 04:50 AM (17xO3)

1145 I'm not a big fan of West and I expected him to lose, although I didn't say a lot because I know he's popular in the party.

Grayson, yeah, it bottles the mind.

Except a lot of people like slimy liars and truth-tellers are frequently despised (tell me about it). So there's that.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:51 AM (SKX2R)

1146 *boggles

(although pitching back some bottles of beer sounds good)

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:51 AM (SKX2R)

1147 >>> I'd also move tax day to a week before the election. Do that when you pass tax reform.

That's an awesome idea. Won't ever happen, but it should.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 04:52 AM (SKX2R)

1148 1142. The Overton window.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 04:53 AM (Vk6ZI)

1149 We also had machines in several different states switching votes. A couple of people were found destroying Republican voter registration forms (who knows how many might NOT have gotten caught). A truck delivering absentee ballots to an important GOP voting bloc was destroyed. There's at least evidence of my theory.

Ask yourself this... when so many in this country have shown that they are willing to do (or ignore) anything to get Obama reelected (such as the media giving him a pass on everything, no matter how corrupt), can't you at least be a *little* suspicious that there might be some wide-spread fraud going on here?

Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 04:53 AM (appbn)

1150 "a sitting Governor supposedly on our side was bribed by a phone conversation with an aging pop star."

Oh, that explains it.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 04:55 AM (17xO3)

1151 I also blame the 26th Amendment. This was a terrible idea justified by the draft. But rather than giving the vote to those below 21 who had joined the military, it was applied to everyone. It has worked in the left's favor ever since. Pretty much any time there is a big turnout among the youngest voters it is for a leftist candidate.

We now have detailed evidence that an 18 year old is not a fully functioning adult. The portions of the brain critical to judgment are the last to mature, at around 25.

The climate change alarmist denounce anyone who doesn't buy into their claims as being against Science. Well, the science, and far more testable science, says that a 22 year old is inclined to make choices that, only a few years later and for the rest of his life, are not well considered.

So doesn't the science say we must raise the voting age to 25 if we are to make good choices come election day?

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 04:58 AM (kcfmt)

1152 #1150

You didn't hear about the Springsteen call and how Christie was gushing over it?

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:00 AM (kcfmt)

1153 >>> We also had machines in several different states switching votes. A couple of people were found destroying Republican voter registration forms

They always do this sort of thing. I was once punched in the chest, softly but with tremendous anger, by a leftist building manger in an elevator while canvassing the vote. I had a plucky but frail old lady volunteer with me at the time so I restrained myself from escalating it.

Cops got called. Got a T-shirt from the campaign.

Anyhow, I don't think they cheated that much more than usual this time. And I also saw reports about calibrated touch screens switching votes to Romney.

This is a consequence of America's state-run elections where every state does things their own half-assed way. Or good way. But it varies.

There's a lot to be said for how the other western countries do it. Their ballots are standardized, in some countries always paper, and these sorts of disputes just don't happen there.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:02 AM (SKX2R)

1154 >>> I also blame the 26th Amendment. This was a terrible idea justified by the draft. But rather than giving the vote to those below 21 who had joined the military, it was applied to everyone. It has worked in the left's favor ever since. Pretty much any time there is a big turnout among the youngest voters it is for a leftist candidate.

Women's suffrage was a worse, culture-destroying, blow.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:03 AM (SKX2R)

1155 Like I said. I could be wrong. I just don't have much faith in my country right now.

Anything feels possible.

Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 05:04 AM (appbn)

1156 #1149

As Instapundit has often said, they can't cheat if it isn't close. Or rather, they can't cheat enough to matter.

It shouldn't have been close. Far too many people are utterly detached from current events that don't involve celebrity genitals and have little concept of the founding concepts of this nation. Or worse, have been taught in school to regard those founders with contempt for not being perfect 21st century people.

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:05 AM (kcfmt)

1157 Yeah, see this is why I think Americans are foolish to look at Europe and try to copy their institutions.

For whatever reason, Germans can competently run state-run healthcare or trains or elections or whatever.

I think America just cannot manage government well. We seem to really like being inefficient.

East Germany was the best run socialist country, so you can see that effect right there.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:06 AM (17xO3)

1158 Jim Geraghty's postmortem is worth a read although it isn't pleasant. This is about the most unpleasant part:

>>> Ari Fleischer points out the silver lining is that so far, Romney is winning independents. That’s not a silver lining, that’s worse news: Democrats don’t really need independents anymore.
http://goo.gl/4rYlD

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:07 AM (SKX2R)

1159 Women voting....I have wanted to not believe that its a problem, but I think it is. They want a back-up husband.

I guess if I had to care for the squalling babies while my good for nothing husband drank beer and watched sports, and then ran off with a younger chick, I would want a safety net too.

Not all of them of course.

And if I were a chick, I would be very upset that too candidates talked about rape like they did.

"legitimate rape" Akin actually put those words next to each other. I hope his family is out looking for work.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:09 AM (17xO3)

1160 >>> For whatever reason, Germans can competently run state-run healthcare or trains or elections or whatever.

There is a reason for this, but it is very very unpalatable and taboo to say.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:10 AM (SKX2R)

1161 >>> Women voting....I have wanted to not believe that its a problem, but I think it is. They want a back-up husband.

The socialism they vote for has replaced the husband in a lot of cases and is one of (maybe the main), but by no means the only reason, for high modern divorce rates.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:12 AM (SKX2R)

1162 http://www.qando.net/?p=14260

I think this is the only way forward, as we cannot drop the so-cons.

My comments are as Harun.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:13 AM (17xO3)

1163 >>> "legitimate rape" Akin actually put those words next to each other. I hope his family is out looking for work.

I know for a fact there are lots of actual false rape allegations. It's a big problem police departments face.

Alan Dershowitz calls rape the most undereported - and overreported - crime.

He's right.

But that wouldn't be an election-winning topic, to say the least, and postulating inter-vaginal selective-anti-rape-sperm defenses wasn't so great either.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:16 AM (SKX2R)

1164 Perhaps it doesn't need to be 'that close'... if we are willing to concede that we vastly underestimate the Democrat's turnout, perhaps we're also vastly underestimating their ability to cheat. *shrug*

Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 05:16 AM (appbn)

1165 Lots of political crap on this thread that should've been put on the ONT.

Posted by: logprof at November 08, 2012 05:18 AM (jKE+Z)

1166 Here we go with the woman bashing. We are not all that stupid. I don't need a back up husband that's just bullshit. People just don't care, History is not taught anymore.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 05:18 AM (Vk6ZI)

1167 #1154

That one is a bit harder to argue with people of any age. There is little doubt that women are different from men and make choices differently but age makes a big difference for them as well as men. When they did that Lena Dunham ad they knew exactly the sort of person they were targeting. Young and female. Too young to think straight, just like the boys their same age.

Sure, women can be annoying in their thinking at times but it isn't as though they're ineducable as a group. There are times when I have to explain to my mother or sister that the annoying thing doesn't work the way they want because it would require a change in physical law and make life as we know it impossible in this universe. But they generally understand why Obama is so awful, even if their depth on the subject is far lesser than mine. They each have their subjects they can describe in excruciating detail that would put me in a coma if I tried to feign interest.


Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:18 AM (kcfmt)

1168 Some of the states Obama took are GOP run. States run elections. If it was a huge issue, it will come out.

Don't get me wrong - they do cheat. Often they do it in primaries against each other and for local elections.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:19 AM (17xO3)

1169 >>> Lots of political crap on this thread that shoulLd've been put on the ONT.

There wasn't one for the longest time. Had no idea there was.

Let's move over.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:20 AM (SKX2R)

1170 1169 >>> Lots of political crap on this thread that shoulLd've been put on the ONT.

There wasn't one for the longest time. Had no idea there was.

Let's move over.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:20 AM (SKX2R)

--It's below this one.

Posted by: logprof at November 08, 2012 05:21 AM (jKE+Z)

1171 >>> Here we go with the woman bashing. We are not all that stupid. I don't need a back up husband

This is a massive oversimplification.

And I don't think that women are stupid, or even that socialists are stupid.

I do think that women evolved to seek resources for themselves and offspring. And socialism has largely displaced the traditional family.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:22 AM (SKX2R)

1172 #1157

P.J. O'Rourke made a pretty good examination of this in his 'Eat the Rich.' He noted that Sweden long enjoyed a very smoothly operating socialist society but it started to fall apart quickly when waves of unassimilated immigrants took full advantage without recognizing the unwritten social contract that governed the behavior of native Swedes. The system required a highly homogenous society who largely all on the same page. As O'Rourke put it, "Sweden works but only if you are a Swede."

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:23 AM (kcfmt)

1173 "Here we go with the woman bashing. We are not all that stupid. I don't need a back up husband that's just bullshit. People just don't care, History is not taught anymore."

Maybe you are right, since more women go to college now and make more money etc.

Maybe there was window for that sort of thought, sort of like how the working class voted straight socialist, but maybe not so much anymore.

And men have muscled in on that "back up" plan. SSDI is surging. That's all 50 year old roofers who just give up and claim depression.

I believe we even pay their lawyer's costs when they apply for SSDI.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:24 AM (17xO3)

1174 >>> P.J. O'Rourke made a pretty good examination of this in his 'Eat the Rich.' He noted that Sweden long enjoyed a very smoothly operating socialist society

There is also an explanation for this, and it is just as very very unpalatable and taboo to say as it was about Germany above.

>>> but it started to fall apart quickly when waves of unassimilated immigrants

Yep.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:26 AM (SKX2R)

1175 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203518404577096632862007046.html

WE pay the lawyers fees if the client wins.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:28 AM (17xO3)

1176 Here in l'Europe, famously hard-nosed budget airline Ryanair sells disposable "smokeless cigarettes" for in-flight use: http://www.ryanair.com/ie/news/ryanair-to-allow-passengers-to-smoke-onboard

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 08, 2012 05:30 AM (DJgfL)

1177 #1159

Among lawyers this is not a controversial term. It has a specific meaning in discussion of law. There are often terms used by professionals that are subject to misinterpretation by the general public. For example, the meaning of the word 'theory' among scientists as opposed to how it is used in other contexts.

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:30 AM (kcfmt)

1178 I'm not a big fan of West and I expected him to lose, although I didn't say a lot because I know he's popular in the party.

I'm not a big fan of West either, but I didn't want him to lose - he's our version of Alan Grayson, not afraid to call out the other side as he sees it. I don't often agree with his assessments but I think every party needs to have its firebrand.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 05:31 AM (d/5qf)

1179 #1174

You'll not that I didn't specific the sort of people those immigrants are but by no small coincidence the city of Malmo has become a no-go zone for Jews.

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:32 AM (kcfmt)

1180 1125 I just have this feeling of doom. I don't want to go to work I just want to hide. I don't know my Country anymore.
Posted by: Infidel


My country lost me when it re-elected Clinton- and yeah, Bob Dole! Was a terrible candidate. Almost as bad as the old guy who ran with The Hated Sarah.

All I can do is look out for me & mine anymore. The Black Angels across the street. My Lesbian neighbors. The widow MaryAnn. Maybe a few others, but? Not the rest. I just can't care anymore about a place that does not care for me...

-30-

Posted by: backhoe at November 08, 2012 05:34 AM (ULH4o)

1181 He didn't mean it in a lawyerly way.

He said in a legitimate rape the body will reject the rapist's sperm.

His next sentence was that "even if this didn't work"

So, I don't think he was lawyering.

He was scientitisting. And implying if you did get preggers from rape, maybe it wasn't rape.

Actually, his idea sounds like something the body would do - reject foreign objects or something, but Nature doesn't mind how the babies get made. See Vikings, Mongols, etc.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:35 AM (17xO3)

1182 I'm saying quit the smoking. Keep the nicotine.

Had a professor in an advanced psychology class who gave brutal tests. He'd announce there was to be a test but every one of the answers could be found in the book. So you'd read the book and take the test and not have a clue as to a question or two. He'd pull it from a box off to the side or a caption under a photo. The prick, yeah it was actually in the book.

But one I got wrong once, and I never got many wrong because I actually read the book, was a question about nicotine. I suspect it was true or false.
Nicotine increases the ability to concentrate (T,F)
Seems intuitive that nicotine is bad, right class? Which is why I got it wrong.

Well, apparently nicotine does improve the ability to concentrate. But it also wears off pretty quickly. I suspect part of the 'kick' of smoking is the subliminal perception of a sense of 'clarity of mind' and the ability to 'focus' on a task. From nicotine, not the nasty foul smelling smoke.



Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 05:35 AM (feFL6)

1183 >>> I'm not a big fan of West either, but I didn't want him to lose - he's our version of Alan Grayson

I don't think West was a good candidate and I think he was properly bumped out of the military, but he's a million light-years better than Alan Grayson.

FFS.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:36 AM (SKX2R)

1184 @ Sexypig 1181

Yeah, you're totally right.

I'm just making a semantic point that "legitimate rape" could be used, despite being awkward, to describe a real (and abhorrent) rape, as opposed to a false rape allegation.

"legitimate" would be a bad choice of words because it literally means legal, but in common usage an mean "actual".

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:38 AM (SKX2R)

1185 Obama might not get much done in his term.

He might get blamed for the recession that would happen no matter what if you cut spending massively or raise taxes.

Executive orders can be overturned.

If this is a demographics problem, my suggestion is embrace immigration reform in wise way, i.e. not blanket amnesty, and lookie here, we have Rubio, Jindal, Haley, etc.

Rubio will actually be seasoned by 2016.

Will Biden run?

Hillary...won't she be too old?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:39 AM (17xO3)

1186 I pretty much feel the same way backhoe, just worried about losing my job. Not a lot of opporitunity here and would be impossible to sell the house.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 05:40 AM (Vk6ZI)

1187 >>> Nature doesn't mind how the babies get made. See Vikings, Mongols, etc.

Rape is a natural, evolved behavior.

Not everyone rapes, but the reason it persists is because it sometimes "works" in the sense of passing on genes.

That is unpalatable (and facts like these go into the pile of reasons I don't like this world I find myself in as opposed to the pile of good things), but it is true. Natural selection, nature, is a bitch.

This will be even more unpalatable to everyone including me, but if one wished to remove genetic tendencies toward rape from our gene pool, allowing abortion in the case of rape would be the way to do so, and preventing it would not.

Is that horrible that that is factual?

Yeah, it's completely awful. Such is much of life.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:42 AM (SKX2R)

1188 #1181

Yeah, no kidding. There is a reason Jews trace religious lineage through the mother's side.



Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:42 AM (kcfmt)

1189 No offense Ace, but this song sums up how I feel about the GOP at this point. Something has to change, and it has to be huge. Frankly, I don't see it happening. Not because we aren't capable. Only because the sheeple and the willing serfs outnumber us. It's not an accident. It's design. Doesn't mean we can't have fantastic lives, fantastic families, and feel honored to have been born into the greatest nation there ever was. We're just like the endgame Romans. Life goes on and with the Internet, I hope, it will not take humanity 2000 years to improve on the previous design of just representative government.

Like I said, not a sad song, just somber:
http://youtu.be/pe8U1CJqXJk

Posted by: STFU Donny at November 08, 2012 05:42 AM (BgIBZ)

1190 I don't trust Rubio.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 05:46 AM (Vk6ZI)

1191 #1185

You're assuming he gives a damn about the economy. The Great Depression (a depression made great through government meddling) was a great time for those looking to expand government. Widespread poverty just means great dependency to leftists. They like and want to make more of it.

If Obama and his allies succeed in creating an economic catastrophic to make the 1930s seem like a pleasant period in history, he'll be beloved forever among his true base.

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:46 AM (kcfmt)

1192 In 2004 Bush was re-elected to the dismay of the Libs.

How popular was Bush in 2006?

Obama fatigue was already pretty high.

Obamacare is just starting to hit - very smart of him to delay everything bad until after the election.

People are already getting their notices of lay off or 25 hours per week.

Of course they just resent the filthy rich small businessmen who haven't seen a profit since 2008, and have been spenidng down their capital to keep people employed, but who knows.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:47 AM (17xO3)

1193 Will Biden run?

He's slipping into dementia. After a suitable time he will handed a letter of resignation to sign and be replaced with either a woman or an Hispanic. Which will pave the way for that VP to run in 2016 on a platform of 'stay the course'.

Yeah, I know, I hate the idea, too. But he's got to go.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 05:49 AM (feFL6)

1194 chemjeff, I apologize for jumping so hard on you for your opinion on West, especially when you essentially agree with me.

I can see a principled argument why West is as bad or worse than (what we know for a fat about) Grayson based on one of his decisions while a Lt. Colonel.

They also have, I guess, a little in common stylistically both being outspoken.

But Grayson is a damnable liar and West is not.

Plus while I think the decision that saw West get drummed out of the army was a poor one and reflected badly on him, I don't believe his motives were poor (his compassion may have been lacking, but understandably considering his experiences and responsibilities; nonetheless, I don't believe he did his duty responsibly and I believe he abused his power). Grayson on the hand is a lying snake.

I could definitely see myself having made the mistake West made. I can't see myself being anything like Grayson.

So I have to personally give it advantage West, despite my reservations.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:49 AM (SKX2R)

1195 >>> Hillary...won't she be too old?
Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 05:39 AM

Nah, just too fat.

Quick, someone delete this thread on low-carb diet so she doesn't find it and win!

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 05:53 AM (SKX2R)

1196 1174 There's no question that all else being equal, a more homogenous society makes it easier to keep a generous welfare state going - though exactly why that is is another question. But it's not the whole story here. For one thing, whatever about Sweden, Germany has had large numbers of /de facto/ immigrants since the '60s and '70s, long before its welfare state ran into trouble. Secondly, it's not the case that there was one, fixed German welfare-state dispensation from the post-war until recently: through the '80s and '90s, the generosity of the welfare benefits kept ratcheting up and up, until the point where they were finally cut back under Schroeder's (SPD!) government.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 08, 2012 05:57 AM (DJgfL)

1197 #1187

We know that promiscuity is a natural condition. It was discovered a while back that only about a third of sperm are intent on fertilizing an egg. The rest are two forms of attackers that seek to prevent the sperm of other males from reaching their goal. It was pretty amazing the first time I saw the videos of this in action. (Micro-porn!)

Civilization and all its benefits are a conscious choice. If you teach a watered down version to your children you'll soon find yourself in a mediocre civilization. Paternity testing becoming a cheap walk-in service at clinics is not a good indicator.

Decades ago, my mother shocked some of her friends by joking, "My life is so boring. All of my children have the same father." Nowadays the other ladies would just nod and agree.


Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 05:57 AM (kcfmt)

1198 >>> There's no question that all else being equal, a more homogenous society makes it easier to keep a generous welfare state going

It's not just homogenity.

The answer is not only within the realms of culture and ideas.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:01 AM (SKX2R)

1199 #1196

Germany was never anywhere close to being as homogenous as Sweden. Keep in mind modern Germany hasn't really existed all that long. A lot of bits and pieces that were formerly separate and also considered ethnically distinct were brought under the German aegis since the founding of our own nation.

This is one of the reasons it annoys me when some euro-snob pontificates about "America is such a young country." Really? Most of Europe has redrawn its borders a fair bit and completely changed its method of government repeatedly since the late 18th Century. France has done how many CTRL-ALT-DEL since then? Italy didn't exist as a nation but rather a collection of city states. In terms of consistent structure we're one of the oldest nations on the planet. The difference is that our forming wasn't just a side effect of continuous habitation of a region.

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 06:06 AM (kcfmt)

1200 This is one of the reasons it annoys me when some euro-snob pontificates about "America is such a young country." Really? Most of Europe has redrawn its borders a fair bit and completely changed its method of government repeatedly since the late 18th Century. France has done how many CTRL-ALT-DEL since then? Italy didn't exist as a nation but rather a collection of city states. In terms of consistent structure we're one of the oldest nations on the planet. The difference is that our forming wasn't just a side effect of continuous habitation of a region.

Posted by: epobirs at November 08, 2012 06:06 AM (kcfmt)

--Yes, in terms of Constitution/government, the USA is actually ancient. When the U.S. Constitution was ratified, there was a Czar in Russia, an Ottoman Empire, a French monarchy, an Austrian Preemie, and neither Germany nor Italy.

Posted by: logprof at November 08, 2012 06:12 AM (jKE+Z)

1201 >>> Germany was never anywhere close to being as homogenous as Sweden.

Germany has or at least had a larger Ashkenazi Jewish population.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:12 AM (SKX2R)

1202 Hell, there was still a Holy Roman Empire when the U.S. Constitution was ratified.

Posted by: logprof at November 08, 2012 06:12 AM (jKE+Z)

1203 You know something? I had my friends and co-workers convinced Romey would win, because of you people.

We nominated a RINO to compete against an elitist prick, like Obama, and we were told the RINO would win.

Screw it all. I'm so disenfranchised that I'm thinking of abandoning the Republican party and joining the Democrats, again.

Screw GWB and John McCain and Romney.

Their brand is at the losing end of the gun. apparently.

Maybe I'll join Independent.

GOP is dying, to my distraught.

Posted by: Miles at November 08, 2012 06:12 AM (1SNj4)

1204 Fuck, how did "Empire" get changed to "Preemie"???

Posted by: logprof at November 08, 2012 06:13 AM (jKE+Z)

1205 Infidel, sorry about your impending layoff, that sucks

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 06:14 AM (d/5qf)

1206 >>> Fuck, how did "Empire" get changed to "Preemie"???

lol

That was a bit hard to follow.

I had to check your username to make sure it wasn't 'Akin'.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:15 AM (SKX2R)

1207 Thanks chemjeff. Just another punch to the junk. After yesterday, not sure how many more I can take.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 06:17 AM (Vk6ZI)

1208 Well buy an athletic cup, Infidel, and soldier on.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:19 AM (SKX2R)

1209 I didn't say that West and Grayson are equivalent. I said that in their respective parties, West and Grayson serve similar roles - i.e., a firebrand for their party and a lightning rod of hate for the opposing party. And that it's healthy for each party to have one of those guys hanging around. (I would prefer not to have a healthy Democrat Party, I'd prefer for it to get sick and die, but that's another argument.) Of course if it was West vs. Grayson on the ballot in my area I would vote for West 10 times out of 10.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 06:19 AM (d/5qf)

1210 France almost had a coup d'etat in the 60's.

How stable is that?

That's like Africa.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 06:21 AM (17xO3)

1211 >>> I didn't say that West and Grayson are equivalent. I said that in their respective parties, West and Grayson serve similar roles - i.e., a firebrand for their party and a lightning rod of hate for the opposing party.

Ah. Makes sense.

>>> And that it's healthy for each party to have one of those guys hanging around.

There's studies of group persuasive dynamics, and they show that having some extreme members of your group, in the right balance, makes you more persuasive than if everyone is acting reasonable.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:22 AM (SKX2R)

1212 Good Morning, just read Aces thing on smoking. I'm about a half a pack a day guy myself. Maybe i'll give that thing a try. Thanks Ace, your personal story was indeed very relatable.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 06:24 AM (3Y7RV)

1213 Samewise. A boobhe cup would work better but I usually land on my feet. I just don't want to live in Greece. Not worth it.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2012 06:24 AM (Vk6ZI)

1214 I'm not saying America should model foreign institutions, I'm saying that one ballot format across the country that everyone agrees is easy to understand makes counting votes less bullshit every election year.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:26 AM (SKX2R)

1215 Oldsailors Poet,

I totally think you should if necessary, but before doing that, I'd suggest you read Allen Carr's book, "Stop Smoking the Easy Way".

I read it, quit in an afternoon, and never craved a cigarette again.

Millions of people have. It's the best selling book on quitting smoking ever.

If it doesn't work, you can always try the eCigs, which are lots better than smoking, I concede.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:28 AM (SKX2R)

1216 For whatever reason, Germans can competently run state-run healthcare or trains or elections or whatever. There is a reason for this, but it is very very unpalatable and taboo to say.

Actually Germany has a system of state managed competition, its not as socialist as the Canadian or British healthcare systems.

Germanys political tradition is that of enlightened absolutism. Its monarchs and aristocrats were never as crazy as the french with their sun kings. They never provoke a consequential revolution. So there is no other big country in europe that is still as feudalistic in its notions of power and statehood as Germany.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2012 06:31 AM (Rn7r2)

1217 It isn't just political tradition, Elize Nayden, or rather political tradition doesn't merely derive from ideas from the ether.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:33 AM (SKX2R)

1218 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:28 AM (SKX2R)


Thanks Dude. Are you a troll or not?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 06:34 AM (3Y7RV)

1219 1196, 1201 Germany was actually pretty homogenous by the time the WWII dust had settled though, due to things like the expulsion of Eastern Europe's ethnic-German population into Germany - to say nothing of pre-1945 events like the Holocaust! What put the diversity back into post-war Germany - the Germany that's relevant to the post-war German welfare state - was the /Gastarbeiter/ programmes.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 08, 2012 06:37 AM (DJgfL)

1220 I mean what I'm saying, Oldsailor's Poet, except for the odd joke, including sarcastic.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:37 AM (SKX2R)

1221 actually, quitting smoking is pretty easy. I've done it ten or twelve times.

Posted by: Buddha at November 08, 2012 06:37 AM (8NlUk)

1222 The stooge 2 cubes from me was doing e-cigs last year IN the cube, IN a totally no smoking/no e-cigging building.

Guess what, that crap was destroying the air around ME.

How could I know? Here's how. All of a sudden the air around me was heavy with perfume. Not the smell, THE CHEMICAL CONTENT of manufactured scents.

No, I am not that sensitive, but I DO KNOW WHEN I'm coughing that I have just breathed air that disagreed with my lungs.

Keep that crap out of my office and away from me.

Fair warning.

Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at November 08, 2012 06:40 AM (Yzu6e)

1223 1221 actually, quitting smoking is pretty easy. I've done it ten or twelve times.
Posted by: Buddha at November 08, 2012 06:37 AM (8NlUk)

LOL, me too.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 08, 2012 06:44 AM (3Y7RV)

1224 isn't it THC time?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 08, 2012 06:46 AM (d/5qf)

1225 Here's 6 hours of wonderful chill out music to listen to while you do ... anything. Including sleep.

http://youtu.be/o0jJiB2Ygpg

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 06:46 AM (SKX2R)

1226

Ace wrote "One thing I noticed was that someone mentioned smoking, and the e-cig.

If you're still a smoker: Dude, you must stop. Come on. It's not a
sign of rebellion. It's kind of a sign that you don't like your life
very much and don't think much about shortening it."


I agree. I have a cousin with lung cancer (in remission) who has smoked since she was 12 years old. For what's it's worth, she does the e-cig because she is so addicted to nicotine that she can't give it up. Her cancer doctors know this and while they would like her to quit the e-cig, they tell her it is a sort of acceptable crutch to keep from relapsing into using real cigarettes.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 08, 2012 06:47 AM (kXoT0)

1227 I guess this America thing is over with now and we can get on to our indentured servitude.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 08, 2012 06:49 AM (BAnPT)

1228 "For whatever reason, Germans can competently run state-run healthcare or trains or elections or whatever. There is a reason for this, but it is very very unpalatable and taboo to say.

Actually Germany has a system of state managed competition, its not as socialist as the Canadian or British healthcare systems. "

Yeah I know this, but even their regulation will be better. I doubt the German SEC sits around watching porn. (If they do, it will be schiesse pron though.)

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 06:51 AM (17xO3)

1229 Dems on Facebook all excited they elected a Asian female senator and a Hindu.

First Hindu!

They then say that the GOP must be hating it.

Um, dear Democrats, the GOP just ran a Mormon for president. Mormons are a religious minority, too.

Also, Nikki Haley still goes to the Sikh temple.

Personally, after researching Sikhs, I'd like to bring a whole bunch more of them over.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 08, 2012 06:54 AM (17xO3)

1230 > it is very very unpalatable and taboo to say.

More to the point is that it's probably bullcrap to say. Racial explanations economic development and social conditions usually fall into two categories: wooly, weasely one which are impossible to falsify, or blunt, emphatic ones which are pretty often falsified. But their advocates just quietly forget about the ones which have been too-obiously falsified - just as they overlook racial theories which contradict each other, or the ones which don't fit their own prejudices.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 08, 2012 07:21 AM (DJgfL)

1231 Thanks Ace! Going to try it. Ordering...now.

Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at November 08, 2012 07:28 AM (NBj0d)

1232 Good for you Ace. I just logged over 12 years without a cigarette because I decided I didn't want to be a smoker with all the danger and baggage that brings. I used zyban and the nic patch, but only for a couple of weeks to get me over the worst of the cravings. The other thing that helped was me deciding not to smoke instead of 'quitting' or 'giving up' cigarettes. It was a small but crucial difference in taking charge of that aspect of my life.

Posted by: CitizenEgg at November 08, 2012 07:57 AM (G0Q4Y)

1233 On the suicide thing I have to say that it is a terribly selfish thing to do . I say that as someone who had to start cleaning the mess that his father in law left in the basement in order to keep his mother in law from doing it.

I have told only my father and one other friend the details and how that effected me and resolved to never talk about it to my wife. Even that is a burden since in discussions about who did what for the family when her father killed himself she seems to forget that I even did it.

So yeah, if you hate everybody around you and want to torture them, go ahead.

Posted by: TYPO DYNMOFO at November 08, 2012 08:37 AM (+VMZ0)

1234 Regarding the considerations of the use of diesel fuel in a crisis;

First thing that will happen is that gasoline will become rationed. A diesel car does not need to go to a "gas" station. Start to look around and see who you will be competing for fuel with and where it comes from. Not the barrel, the pump (if necessary). Where do diesel consumers get their fuel? Often you will find the diesel pumps at a different place than where the coveted gas pumps are located

There is much more to the proposition. Like I said, think it through.

Posted by: pawn at November 08, 2012 08:50 AM (YBJ6v)

1235 January makes 4 years without a cigarette and I still have the graving some times. Often, in traffic, the guy in front of me is smoking and it smells awesome! But, too much time in to regress now.

Posted by: Adam at November 08, 2012 09:10 AM (BT/P3)

1236 >>> On the suicide thing I have to say that it is a terribly selfish thing to do . I say that as someone who had to start cleaning the mess that his father in law left in the basement in order to keep his mother in law from doing it

That is awful and I am very sorry. I understand your point. I really do.

All I can say is you want me to remain in a world with people like this, and among people who think of themselves as virtuous, on the right side of issue, who can't even be bothered to denounce that at all, in the mildest possible way, and instead double down on attacking me.

For telling a story about my sweet beautiful friend who hanged herself after being raped for the second time (not really; first time was a gang rape).

And no one's got shit all to say for mocking me for bringing up that story, and instead decide attacking me is the way to go.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334766#c19643000

What's more, this isn't abnormal behavior or anything. This is what typically happens, in my experience, at least on conservative blogs (and I'm not saying it doesn't elsewhere, but you hold yourself out as something better).

OK. People don't like me. I get it. I'll take it into consideration.

Believe me, I will.

But I still wouldn't treat someone I don't like like that.

Peaches above has derided me, but what of it? I understand, to a degree, her reaction. So I supported her. And I'd like to think she would have if the situation was reversed and she had seen me react that way. And I have no reason to think she wouldn't.

But observing what I've seen here, I am led to the escapable conclusion that with the exception of some decent and actually virtuous or at least kind, empathetic people like ace and jimi ray and probably yourself, the vast majority of people -- here -- are callous at best, but some at least actually evil. And no one will call them on it.

Here.

I feel like I imagine Jesus would have felt, or at least Aslan.

I'm not virtuous like him; it isn't that. I'm not all-knowing or anything.

But the sadness of seeing such .... such behavior ... brings me to despair. What was done to my friend brings me to despair too, but this ... .

Pharisees doesn't begin to describe it.

Once again, I am truly sorry for what you had to endure, and I believe it was a kind and good act on your part to help her through it in that way.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 09:11 AM (SKX2R)

1237 And I'm not saying I'm going to kill myself.

Yes, this would go in that column of reasons. I could hardly put it in the other one.

But I am severely disappointed, and shocked, although not surprised.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 09:12 AM (SKX2R)

1238 Great post. I've been sitting here at my deskthinking this will be the day that I go to the gym at lunch. I quit running about six months ago and I haven't been to the gym for over a year. I don't get on the scale that much but I bet I've gained 20lbs. Taking control of my health seems like such a ridiculously easy thing to do, compared to what we are faced with.
One note about the e-cig. I chew Copehagen (which, being a lawyer, is an absolute drag on my credibility and esteem amongst my peers)and have tried the e-cig several times. Unfortunately, the vapor seems to give me asthma problems. I use an inhalor for running and find that I need to use it after an e-cig too. I've given up on them.

Posted by: Navy at November 08, 2012 09:13 AM (BuYeH)

1239 On a serious note, TYPO, I just have to add, that if suicide was not effectively prohibited, a person could make arrangements so what you described wouldn't happen, not like that.

It's something that did happen under the current situation, but would happen less under the laws as I think they should be.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 08, 2012 09:16 AM (SKX2R)

1240 Nike has the best advice: JUST DO IT!

Quit trying to turn quitting into a hobby.

Posted by: econowillie at November 08, 2012 09:18 AM (fSkKy)

1241 1234 Remember, though, that while a diesel car isn't competing for gasoline with other cars, it is competing for diesel with most medium-size commercial vehicles and all tractors and large trucks. That could be a tough corner to fight, especially (but not only) if the government starts rationing fuel and prioritising users.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 08, 2012 09:54 AM (DJgfL)

1242 If you really want to position yourself against an oil crisis, then an electric or maybe LNG car might be the way to go. I don't think it's worth the downsides at present though.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 08, 2012 09:58 AM (DJgfL)

1243 Adam @1235 - Fifteen years without tobacco or nicotine (after 30 years of Camel straights) - they STILL smell good secondhand. The only time I enjoy a smoke is in my dreams - yes, I still light up in an alternate reality. Quitting is easy? Really? Hardest thing I've ever had to do. Like booze, you never really quit, you just don't indulge. As my doc said, there's nothing wrong with nicotine except the delivery system. That was before e-cigs.

Posted by: Jimmy don\'t play that at November 08, 2012 10:00 AM (xcwcN)

1244 AI,

Just look at the relative numbers of vehicles. And gas is delivered by diesel trucks. The diesel community is pretty well established. They will be rolling.

Posted by: pawn at November 08, 2012 10:09 AM (YBJ6v)

1245 Trying to stay positive, November 10th is the USMC's 237th birthday. Special shoutout to all the Motivators on here!

Posted by: Danny at November 08, 2012 10:34 AM (V/oSB)

1246 Once upon a time, in a land previously untainted by Owebamacare, I needed a tow. The wrecker driver pulls up. He’s about 50 lbs overweight and reeks of cig smoke. There are lighters and open cig packs strewn on his dash. A grease stained McDonald’s bag on the seat. We engage in small talk and he asks me: “So…what kinda work you do?” I tell him “I sell health insurance”. His response? "Oh...you are THAT kind of thief, huh?” Now…he is half-kidding, and I don’t mind a good natured ribbing. I often partake in ritual sarcasm regarding lawyers. Nevertheless, it is impossible to ignore the hypocrisy of his rude statement. Firstly, the irony of a Wrecker Driver calling me a "thief"…really? Secondly, he is one of the biggest reasons that insurance is so damn high. On average, smoking adds about 40% to your health insurance premiums. Add to that the extra poundage, likely high blood pressure, high cholesterol, possible diabetes and other health problems, and he is un-insurable on an individual health insurance plan…and likely to be the first one bitching about it. Now…he will qualify for a group plan with an employer, but guess who pays for the premium increases to cover this guy’s poor decisions? The employer and all the other healthy employees will pay for it! This is just another form of entitlement. It manifests in those that think they should be able to do anything they want with their bodies, and have others pay. This is the main reason that Owebamacare will ultimately ruin us…the perception that we will be able to do anything we want to our bodies, and someone else will pick-up the tab. So…we are stuck with Owebamacare for now. What can we do? Get healthy. Eat right. Stop smoking. Stop drinking. Take care of yourself and your families. Exercise control and be responsible for the things you have some control over…your health. Cheers.

Posted by: krono at November 08, 2012 10:40 AM (xVdYN)

1247 I will not vape it on a train
I will not vape it on a plane

Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 11:09 AM (KXm42)

1248 My problem is I only smoke when I drink.

I have absolutely no urge to smoke otherwhen.

Does an e-cig work with drinking? If so I will definitely try it.

Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 11:12 AM (KXm42)

1249 1244 But that's just the problem, pawn. Sure, if gasoline supply drops but diesel supply doesn't you'd be sitting pretty. But it seems more likely that any kind of oil shock that hits gasoline will hit diesel too - and then you'd find yourself fighting for diesel with big commercial (and government/military) users, many of whom have a strong case for why they should be priority users.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (DJgfL)

1250 I'm going to turn "otherwhen" into a word.

Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 11:13 AM (KXm42)

1251 I'm only a Richmonder because my Dad became a chemist and product marketer/developer for Philip Morris (in the early-mid 60s. FWIW, He patented a method for making your cigarettes "taste better" = give you a happy level of nicotine.) He smoked, until shortly after he began working there. All the free cigarettes he could possibly want, and he quit the tobaccy rather abruptly. He did that on purpose. Don't smoke, kids.

Posted by: sarahw at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (LYwCh)

1252 It's my understanding that nicotine, unlike caffeine, pits the interior of arteries, which makes them prone placquing. That would increase risks of heart attack, stroke, etc. If true.

Posted by: Esau's Message at November 08, 2012 11:18 AM (6c62F)

1253 I started about three months ago on a ketogenic diet. It has been slow going after the initial loss of water weight but I have dropped from over 180 to 162. I was never obese (5'10", slight frame), but I was overweight. I'm getting to where I need to be. Next step, working out.

Posted by: Esau's Message at November 08, 2012 11:21 AM (6c62F)

1254 My dear departed Step Mother used to say...just throw the damn things down and quit. If she did after 40 years, anyone could. Well, the difference is she smoked Carltons and I smoked Camel Filters for 35 years. I always thought I'd either have to take a drug like Chantix or go to a hypnotist to quit. I had already tried the gum and the patch.

That was until I had an eighteen thousand dollar trip to the emergency room one night when my heart went Afib and I passed out. I found out it was caused by side effects from some of my medications, but I was also still smoking at the time, just not as much. (I was a two plus packs a day smoker.) The meds made the cigs taste like warmed over ass taint, so I had cut down to less than half a pack a day. After getting out of the hospital, I quit cold turkey. Haven't had a cigarette in three months. Not that I haven't craved one every now and again, but so far I've managed to fight them off. I also quit drinking because of my Liver disease...and yes, I used to partake of the left handed cigs every now and again, but quit them completely about six months ago.

Posted by: Got A Redhot Poker Up My Ass at November 08, 2012 11:50 AM (t2z5E)

1255 yeah,I came to work to find out that a coworker, a heavy smoker had a heart attack and died this morning. I have always been worried about lung cancer but as my own blood pressure has been rising I have come to realize thats the real killer from smoking. I had been using an e-cig to replace some4 or 5 cigs perday but kind of got out of the habit. Seeing someone you know die like this? I pulled the ecig back out of my bag and its in my pocket. Screw cigirettes.

Posted by: ray robison at November 08, 2012 12:25 PM (c7Pp2)

1256 Seeing someone you know die like this? I pulled the ecig back out of my bag and its in my pocket. Screw cigirettes.

Yeah I need to do that. I don't want reality smacking me in the face any more than it already has of late.

Posted by: eleven at November 08, 2012 01:04 PM (KXm42)

1257
I started smoking at 11 and quit at 36, God blessgerman vendingmachines in publicplaces. I was absolutely ready when I put them down for good."How to Quit Smoking the Easy Way" by Allen Carractually worked for me and it was done without patches, gums, or meds. Now I could do without the 20 pounds I gained but, overall, it was worth it.I've been 2.5 years without a relapse andjust recentlystarted doing Hot Yoga and calorie counting to get rid of extra weight I gained over the last 3 years. 4 pounds down!

Posted by: xyz at November 08, 2012 01:32 PM (2TsUK)

1258 Lets see *Ace puts a post on self improvement. His suggestion e-cigs. Which fascinated me. Seriously I read thing and I have never smoked. Then a commenter seems to be advocating suicide. In post that started out asking for self improvement inspiration. This is why you got love this place. Cigarettes and Suicide!



*I kid. I know what you were getting at. It was a good review that had non-smoker read to the end. I have no clue how the internet ad thing works but if there is some way for e-cig company to compensate you they should.

Posted by: Long Island at November 08, 2012 02:49 PM (EsJl1)

1259 After reading this and watching a few YouTube links, I went out and bought one from a local shop here in Vancouver, BC, about a ten minute walk from my door.

The guy had all the major brands and knew his stuff (eCigs is his entire business), and he also recommended the eGo line if you were committed to vaping (committed because of the non-trivial price).

So, I dropped $120 CAD out the door for a Joytech eGo C kit (two batteries and vapor chambers, USB charger, 5 atomizers, 5 tanks along with a two-week tank supply, in 2 flavors, Camel and "Virginia, and 2 strengths, 12mg and 18mg.

12mg "Camel" just doesn't have enough "hit" or flavor for me, but the 18mg Virginia does. Next round of refills, I'll get another 18mg and maybe a 24mg.

Keep in mind that I've technically been a non-smoker for over two years, but I've been popping 2mg nicotine mints like candy for most of that time, which keep the cravings down, but really suck at coffee time, post coitus, etc.

When I was full-time smoking (30 years) my brand of choice was US Camel Lights (I'm an American working in Canada).

The draw is a bit harder than I'd like, takes a serious "power hit" to get a good lungful, but other than that, this is scratching the itch and goes great with coffee. Post-coitus report will have to wait.

Posted by: Croak at November 08, 2012 05:21 PM (zxBsw)

1260 Tried the CINNAMON this morning.

Liked it. It seemed to give me a boost, just like you said.

...Am wondering if it might be placebo effect?

Anywho, I'm going to keep giving it a trial run.

Thanks again for the tip.

Posted by: napoleon in rags at November 08, 2012 06:17 PM (9196u)

1261 AI,

You need to have contacts. Do you could deal with truckers and military folk better than some dreadlocked punk with a car full of welfare recipients?

There are many other reasons. One being range. Right now without any modifications my car can easily go over 700 miles on a tankfull.. I can haul enough fuel easily to where I could go cross country without stopping for fuel, not that I would ever want to do that, but I can.

Another is storage/safety.

There are many others when considered together can make an interesting proposition about diesel vs. gas in a acute and/or chronic fuel shortage.

Posted by: pawn at November 08, 2012 09:05 PM (iMsF6)

1262 @napoleon in rags:

Just so you know, if you're in North America, you're probably not using "real" cinnamon, you're using cassia.

Powdered cassia is far far less expensive than real cinnamon. And real cinnamon doesn't taste "cinnamony" enough for people these days, it's a more delicate flavor than what we're used to. And when I say "used to" I mean for the last century. It's not a recent substitution.

Good news is, cassia is from the same family of trees, so it's not a total hoax.

And all that said, it rocks in coffee, especially in the mornings.

Posted by: Croak at November 08, 2012 09:39 PM (zxBsw)

1263 Every decade, I have taken up a new activity. When I was 20, I started running, when I was 30, I started skiing, and when I was 40, I took up golf. I'm three years late in finding what I want to do for my 50s, but it might end up being cross-country skiing. I don't like to be bad at anything, so I invested a lot of time and practice in each of these activities. The important thing is that it gets you off the couch and out of the house; and you stay healthy. The best lesson is that you're never too old to learn anything if you approach it with humility and determination. Now if I could just quit smoking.

Posted by: Moonbeam at November 08, 2012 10:00 PM (1k4dd)






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