Yup, Evangelicals Turned Out, And 42% of the Public Said Hurricane Sandy Was "Important" To Their Decision

The most important stuff digested by Allah. It's all important.

So, I never knew where this "Evangelicals didn't show up" meme came from. I seem to remember the same claim in 2008, when it was debunked.

Social cons often get pretty snippy about being scapegoated. I can see why. (But then, I do insist that no abortion even in cases of violent rape, even if it's Plan B at the hospital immediately following a reported rape, is a radioactively unpopular position which will not only never be implemented, it will also destroy anyone suggesting it as their policy preference, in anything other than a safely gerrymandered Republican seat in the heartland.)

Our "missing" 3 million voters might not be missing; they just might not have been tallied yet. (Elections are called with 3 million or more votes outstanding?)

It's possible Mitt won the national popular vote-- we'll have to see, when all the votes are counted. Not saying he did. Just saying we don't know yet.

As I mentioned in a comment in another thread, not only did we lose Hispanics 77-27, we lost Asians by pretty much the same margins. I don't know why this is, but I took my approximation of a first guess earlier.


Posted by: Ace at 08:08 PM



Comments

1
I boated for Pregnant Obama.

Posted by: Charlie Chan at November 07, 2012 08:09 PM (lDWQr)

2 Since I woke up today, I've been advocating for the idea that my hypothesis during the primary that Romney would lost the turnout of some Christians who won't vote for a Mormon.

I latched on to this idea in part for several reasons, but one of them I think was optimism -- because if that's why the GOP lost, well then, a different candidate would have won this year.

And yet, as Ace points out, Allahpundit whom I greatly respect, performed an analysis of the exit polls. It doesn't support my hypothesis, even if several commenters here and at Hot Air thought the same thing.

It looks like my dejected, last-night analysis was the real culprit: changing demographics.

And that's a bitch of a problem to solve.

By the way, this also leads me to the inescapable conclusion that the Republic is completely fucked, and that the only paths to victory are

(a) really super duper charismatic candidate [as if]

(b) changing the demographics favorably [as if]

(c) bitching and whining about the slide of people towards dependency, itself happening in light of technological progress that makes such dependency possible, losing a few elections, and then moving the party to the left, like conservative parties in Canada, Britain, and Europe, to win elections again.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:10 PM (SKX2R)

3 "Our "missing" 3 million voters might not be missing; they just might not have been tallied yet."

They're still missing. Mitt flipped millions (~2.5, was it?) from Zero. If he still only hit McCain's total he failed big time.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 08:11 PM (oDtYC)

4 Mi.nor.it.ies. Apparently they're THE political accessory to have.

Posted by: Scratch One Republic at November 07, 2012 08:11 PM (9ghZ6)

5 Can someone explain to me why social issues have ANY business at the federal level? I don't recall anything in the US Constitution that gives the federal government any jurisdiction over that type of thing. Am I wrong?

Posted by: I'm a girl at November 07, 2012 08:12 PM (zAD45)

6 Much of the vote was motivated by racial and class animus.

Think Ace is brave enough to touch that one?

Hate whitey, hate christian, hate successful people who provide the jobs.

Thanks to the media, huge % of people believe the Tea Party are extremists and racists, which has no connection to reality whatsoever.

Posted by: Village Idiot at November 07, 2012 08:12 PM (utXSy)

7 Ace answer your email

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2012 08:13 PM (I2LwF)

8 77-27 Hispanics, 104%?

Posted by: levi at November 07, 2012 08:13 PM (ouu3l)

9 "I don't recall anything in the US Constitution that gives the federal government any jurisdiction over that type of thing."

The worst, most indefensible decision in Supreme Court history says otherwise.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 08:13 PM (oDtYC)

10 "we lost Asians by pretty much the same margins. I don't know why this is, but I took my approximation of a first guess earlier."

Norm Matloff at UC Davis, a computer scientist who dabbles in economic and labor issues, wrote some frankly very disconcerting articles back in the 1990s about how certain Asian immigrants just loooooove them some American welfare state.

Specifically, Chinese immigrants who invoke "family reunification" to bring in their parents are required as a condition of that reunification to sign papers pledging that those parents won't become a public charge (not having paid into Social Security or Medicare, they're not supposed to draw on it).

Matloff points out that there is absolutely no enforcement mechanism for this, and that as soon as those elderly Chinese get here, they go directly on SSI.

Free Shit Army, Pacific Rim division.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 08:13 PM (ymG7s)

11 5
Can someone explain to me why social issues have ANY business at the
federal level? I don't recall anything in the US Constitution that gives
the federal government any jurisdiction over that type of thing. Am I
wrong?


Yes, you are evil, and must be purged from the GOP. Along with that AllenG fellow. I hate him.

Posted by: Rick Santorum at November 07, 2012 08:14 PM (vjyZP)

12 HA! There's a post at TWoP mocking Chris M for saying good things came from Sandy, and the libs are jumping all over it, talking about how many times he apologized today. ("He was in TEARS!")
Fucking morons. He apologized? yeah, for saying what he was really thinking.

Posted by: wankette at November 07, 2012 08:14 PM (qNhTJ)

13 Good point Village Idiot. TEA party has been demonized by those who are threatened by grassroots America. The best thing is to not apply a label. Then there's nothing to demonize.

Posted by: I'm a girl at November 07, 2012 08:15 PM (zAD45)

14 Does this mean Gamgee is going to STFU now?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:15 PM (uD2fR)

15 Evangelicals consider Israel to be sacrosanct and that would trump any misgivings about the Mormon issue.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 07, 2012 08:15 PM (lGu1O)

16 Male vote of all races: Romney +7.

Female vote of all races: Romney -9.

If Romney got Bush's Latino/Hispanic vote share, he'd still have lost.

This is not about the fucking Mexicans.

Posted by: oblig. at November 07, 2012 08:15 PM (cePv8)

17 8 77-27 Hispanics, 104%?
Posted by: levi at November 07, 2012 08:13 PM (ouu3l)

White Hispanics are counted twice.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2012 08:15 PM (I2LwF)

18 I don't recall anything in the US Constitution that gives the federal government any jurisdiction over that type of thing. Am I wrong?

Tell it to the Supreme Court. When states and localities dealt with things, the Feds could stay out, when the Supreme Court made things National, the right had to go national to fight back.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 08:16 PM (QupBk)

19 In 2008 I thought McCain lost. 2012 made me realize Obama actually *won*.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 07, 2012 08:16 PM (zpqa2)

20 14 Does this mean Gamgee is going to STFU now?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:15 PM (uD2fR)

Magic Eight-Ball says, "Not fuckin' likely."

Posted by: Scobface at November 07, 2012 08:16 PM (IoNBC)

21 >>> Can someone explain to me why social issues have ANY business at the federal level?

Many people value their religious faith over the Constitution. Also, I don't think the Constitution prohibits the federal government from defining laws against murder, as it defines it, in federal jurisdictions. Further, some people who aren't necessarily religious, just find the idea of killing an unborn child so abhorrent to them this trumps other considerations, and they'll seek power to stop what they see as evil without regard to states rights arguments.

It's a matter of priorities.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:16 PM (SKX2R)

22 That said, I have *no f'in clue* why anyone needs to go into specifics of that. (Roe: yes/no. Federal funding: yes/no. That's it) Well, I do -- social empathy and shit. But no-information voters keep having this crazy idea that Senators and Representatives determine the specifics of abortion policy when the Supreme Court mandates that you get to kill them until literally just before they're officially born.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 08:16 PM (oDtYC)

23 People scapegoat evangelicals because it's socially acceptable to do so.

It was independents who stayed home. What independents came out voted for Romney, but I think in this election many of them just gave up - they don't trust Democrats or Republicans, so they didn't bother voting.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 08:16 PM (uhAkr)

24 OK, seems like ~6mil stayed home overall, and lower vote count than 2004?

Posted by: Nerpz at November 07, 2012 08:17 PM (YTGKQ)

25 Why do women hate us?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 07, 2012 08:17 PM (zpqa2)

26 I seriously want to wager that Deval Patrick will run in 2016 and will probably win. Why, demographics. I think I might just stay drunk, less pain that way.

Posted by: mastour at November 07, 2012 08:17 PM (Xf0bG)

27 11 - Rick Santorum
Ah, ok. Thanks for the explanation. Evil is good (or bad or something). LOL!

Posted by: I'm a girl at November 07, 2012 08:18 PM (zAD45)

28 Dude, if you think the 42% who said Sandy was important in their decision were going to vote anyone but Obama, you're still scapegoating. It sure as fuck didn't energize anyone to vote.

Your other analysis of why Romney lost was spot on, but this Sandy crap is...well...crap.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:18 PM (uD2fR)

29 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:10 PM (SKX2R)Next time you might want to make accusations AFTER having proof. Did you track how many threads you posted in about your baseless speculation? Are you going to go back and correct the record now? If you're going to spread misinformation, you're a troll, no matter how innocent your intentions.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 07, 2012 08:18 PM (v3pYe)

30 It's not good that people who considered unemployment a huge problem went for Obama.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 08:18 PM (NzBQO)

31
Hispanics, 104%?
--------
Been to a Walmart lately?

Posted by: Scratch One Republic at November 07, 2012 08:18 PM (9ghZ6)

32 1st: I hate that I missed the earlier, positive thread. Reading it was a wonderful way to get lost in the goodness of God and in all his Blessings.

2nd: We are competing against the type of people who would grant lifetime membership to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Corinne Brown, Charlie Rangel, and Barney Frank. The type of folks who elect known liars and cheats such as Elizabeth Warren and known lunatics such as Alan Grayson. These same folks booted a warrior in Allen West and rebuffed the efforts of a beautiful, intelligent, and talented young woman in Mia Love.

How do you fight that?

If wallowing in their particular brand of mud is what is required, then I might fall short in the battle. I don't mind getting dirty, but I am not willing to accept that folks such as those above are part of God's plan.

There are darker forces at work here.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:18 PM (piMMO)

33 ACE - There are 8 million missing votes.

5 million from flipped Independents, then 3 million off the 2008 votes for McCain.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:18 PM (dX4hn)

34 Oh, relayed from a friend:

He had a bright-eyed bushy-tailed twentysomething show up at the door today trying to sell him stuff.

Friend's response?

"The election results last night say my taxes are about to go way up. But my income isn't going up to match. So since I have less money to spend, I have to cut back, and I'm not going to be buying what you're selling. Sorry. That's how it works."

This apparently came as a considerable surprise to said twentysomething.

Perhaps that generation need to hear those sorts of things said more often.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 08:19 PM (ymG7s)

35 "As I mentioned in a comment in another thread, not only did we lose Hispanics 77-27, we lost Asians by pretty much the same margins."

In part. it's because the GOP has been tagged as the white party. One of Romney's biggest mistakes was picking another white guy as his running mate, when he had options like Rubio and Jindal available.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 07, 2012 08:19 PM (2ihLK)

36 You know who this benefits?

Fuck all if I know.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 07, 2012 08:19 PM (RLTt1)

37 The military vote hasn't even been totally counted yet, right? Our son's ballot is due back this week.

Fuckity fuck fuck.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 07, 2012 08:19 PM (UOM48)

38 Anomie, ladies and gentlemen (And gentleladies). This is what I am feeling right now.

The government no longer engages with us on any meaningful level. It now serves the other half of the nation exclusively - in financial, legal, and policy concerns. And if the demographic shift is accurate (or, heaven forbid, Obama institutes 30 million happy new voters with a life-debt to the Democratic party) it will not serve us again, even with lip service, for a very long time indeed.

This is why states rights were so important, and why their ongoing loss is so devastating. Because now, with a ship instead of a convoy, whoever helms the ship sets our course and our destination, and there's not a damn thing we can do about it save jumping overboard. Even mutiny is out of the question.

I think it'll take at least one more election cycle to realize this globally, but at that point cold hard reality will set in. The wolves have shepherd's clothing, easy routes to reinforcement, and unless we pack up and leave, they can prey upon us at their leisure.

Posted by: Zoe M. at November 07, 2012 08:19 PM (BNa5i)

39 14 Does this mean Gamgee is going to STFU now?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:15 PM (uD2fR)




hahahahahahaha

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 08:20 PM (GEICT)

40 Social cons often get pretty snippy about being scapegoated

Geez, I wonder why? To some contributors on this blog we're perceived as a bigger threat than Teh Won and his policies of utter destruction.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 08:20 PM (vbh31)

41 Hurricane Sandy.

A fucking storm that effected TWO states really.

Here's my theory:

Dumbed-down American doesn't really pay attention to the election until it's a couple of days away. Kinda like getting excited for the "Dancing With The Stars" finale.

So when MOST of dumbed-down America tuned in and decided to really concentrate on their choices...........there was Obama...........hugging a vitriolic Republican governor in spite of the gridlock in Washington D.C. ........ and looking damn PRESIDENTIAL in his bomber jacket!!!!!

Posted by: Mitch & Murray at November 07, 2012 08:20 PM (AzwZn)

42
Chris Christie is dead to me.

New Jersey - you can have Jon Corzine back. Thanks folks.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:20 PM (O7ksG)

43 Nearly one out of four TOTAL votes cast yesterday were cast by evangelicals. 24% of all votes cast. Of that number, 79% were cast for Romney.


I don't do math, but I think that translates to one heckuva voting block.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 08:20 PM (P6QsQ)

44 Further, some people who aren't necessarily religious, just find the idea of killing an unborn child so abhorrent to them this trumps other considerations, and they'll seek power to stop what they see as evil without regard to states rights arguments.


The people who desire to kill an unborn child are the ones who have trumped states rights. Those who support states rights should support the Socon position to overturn RvW, but that'd probably be preaching to the choir. Leftists love their murder.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 07, 2012 08:20 PM (oY6Yp)

45 I think the country is no longer truly right of center. The center is now what used to be called left. Good grief, JFK would be a right wing Republican now. Our cause is great, but with who we have representing us we will have to be content with obstruction at best. Witness Bohener's capitulation today. God the votes weren't even all done being counted and he threw us under the bus by caving on tax increases. Obama, the media and the Reid crowd are going to screw us yet again. Hopefully our congress can obstruct enough to keep us from taking a course we cannot correct. I have long said and still believe that a person can be smart but people are idiots. Forty-seven percent have their hands and mouths wrapped around a certain part of Uncle Sam and the remaining 6% are low information MSM pablum fed idiots.

Thanks, I almost feel better now. Three more Grey Gooses and I'll forget about yesterday - until tomorrow.

Posted by: Last conservative in IL at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (iptVL)

46 I seriously want to wager that Deval Patrick will run in 2016 and will
probably win. Why, demographics. I think I might just stay drunk, less
pain that way.


****

I disagreed with a commenter a few days ago when they said that Corey Booker would run. I said that he would need some state or federal experience first, but I am no longer convinced of that.

Further, I follow him on twitter and his level of engagement with the citizens of his town is impressive.

And. Well.

He's..... you know.

He might well be the V.P. choice in 2016.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (piMMO)

47 Decades of propaganda worked.
Repubs are white racists.
Repubs hate all non-whites.

Dems have been repeating that since 1965. 50 years later and we are at the point where we lose 70% of every group that isn't white.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (ZPrif)

48
We are a racially divided nation. The left has done a superb job at telling blacks/latinos/asians that the big bad conservatives want them poor, in chains and helpless.
The media is complicent and has been an able bodied messenger in this meme.
Stoking racial hatred is owned by the left in this country. When the shit gets really real and the poor can't eat and government can't tax anymore than they already do - what will be the left's response.....evil conservatives, naturally.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (EAgmr)

49 According to O'Reilly the youth vote was up over 2008 but the senior vote was down. Which reminds of two geezers I know, who said they wouldn't vote for Romney because Paul Ryan was going to take away their Social Security and Medicare. They could not be convinced otherwise

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (EmQa+)

50 I still find it hard to believe turnout was lower than 2008. It just doesn't stand up to reason.

Posted by: small town girl at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (HBRB0)

51 Has anyone explained to the Obummer-voters that the entitlement free stuff must necessarily run out since there's no economic engine left to generate any prosperity? No? They're going to be SO disappointed.

Posted by: I'm a girl at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (zAD45)

52 >>> Next time you might want to make accusations AFTER having proof.

Look dude, it was a hypothesis as I noted many times.

I made the hypothesis during the primaries, as did others, and, like others after the election, I thought it could have been the case.

You don't have to be intellectually slight-of-hand just because my hypothesis didn't pan out. Finding detailed information within a few hours of waking up that didn't support my hypothesis, duly analyzed by someone who is a sharp mind, I proactively pointed out that it undermined my hypothesis on this thread, and the others where I made the argument.

That was the right thing to do. You're saying it's irresponsible to offer a hypothesis in advance of data is absurd. It would be the death of thought and planning.

I called for data and analysis throughout.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (SKX2R)

53 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:18 PM (piMMO)



*sadly waves hi to my blue state (wtf?!?) neighbor*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 08:22 PM (GEICT)

54
My hubby talked to 25 year old girl at his work today./ She voted for "lesser of two evils" - and to her it was all about Roe v Wade. She voted for Obama.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:22 PM (O7ksG)

55 "To some contributors on this blog we're perceived as a bigger threat than Teh Won and his policies of utter destruction."

I'm not even close to a SoCon and it's pissing me the fuck off.

We need sober analysis and not hare-brained, scapegoating bullshit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:23 PM (uD2fR)

56 Booker's going to be Governor of NJ next year anyway.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 08:23 PM (oDtYC)

57 I'm guessing what happened is that the kill Romney strategy worked exceptionally well with moderates and even independents. We look at the margin with independents, but he quickly understood that masses he got in 08' were lost to him. He got more of them to sit it out vs. totally reverse their vote from 4 years ago.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 08:23 PM (cWpCn)

58 If Sandy isn't Barry's Katrina we'll know the MFM is totally in the tank for Teh Won.

Like we don't already.

Isn't Obama due for his annual Christmas vacay to Hawaii? And catching up on golf and basketball. I'm sure Mooch is anxious to start back the Wednesday night WH cocktail parties.

Woot!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 07, 2012 08:23 PM (UOM48)

59 Bill O'Reilly said Romney was not bold and fresh, and therefore did not appeal to The Folks.

Profound.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 07, 2012 08:24 PM (zpqa2)

60 Also, the People of Color bullshit worked.
We really should fight that one, it's racist as fuck.
Person of Color just means non-white. It's everybody but white people, right?
Do we have a word for everybody but X (anything other than white)? No.
Do we have a Person of Lightness for eveybody but blacks? No.

Hell, east asians are paler than southern Europeans. Ever seen japanese porn? Japanese girls make Italians look Nubian.

How are east asians lumped in with People of Color but Sicilians aren't?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:24 PM (ZPrif)

61 "asians" like Jindal are actually caucasian.

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:24 PM (40anC)

62 >>> You don't have to be intellectually slight-of-hand just because my hypothesis didn't pan out.

And when I say my hypothesis didn't pan out, that was my woke up the next afternoon after feeling sickened with the state of affairs, so managed to give extra weight to an overly optimistic hypothesis -- that changing candidates would have changed the race, that the country didn't tilt left.

But no, my first reaction to the election last night, upset and dejected, was the right one.

It's a demographic decline of GOP voters, and the demographic success of the Democrats.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:24 PM (SKX2R)

63 So my theory a few months ago that my generation was now politically disenfranchised from politics, and that Obama was their first political disappointment must have been wrong since they increased their margin 18% to 19%, even though Obama lost five points from the previous election, that still a pretty big gap. I guess trying to act cool and hip and being absolutely vacant works.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 08:24 PM (NzBQO)

64 I don't know how exit polls really tell you-

who did not show up.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 08:24 PM (r2PLg)

65 I'm tempted the next time I'm at a restaurant where it appears that my waiter may be an Obama supporter to write Obama on the tip line.

Posted by: polynikes at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (AiZkN)

66 56 Booker's going to be Governor of NJ next year anyway.
Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 08:23 PM (oDtYC)

unless Christie made a deal with Obama

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (40anC)

67 I hate the feeling so much.

Posted by: Apologetic California at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (t4w+C)

68 "Look dude, it was a hypothesis as I noted many times."

This is what academics refer to as "bullshit".

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (uD2fR)

69 Scratch that, not 8 million, I double counted.

Look, demographics aren't the point. You can't look into subsamples and say "oh some latinos here, some asians there"

McCain got 3 million votes more than Romney did (less those still being counted). We can do the math and see that 2.5 million Independents moved from Obama's column to Romney's column.

That puts Romney up 2.5 million. But he is down 3 million.

Where are the 5.5 million votes? Who didn't vote that voted in 2008? We know it wasn't Evangelicals. So who is left?

Also, if you look at the demos of the exits at WaPo, Romney increased McCain's totals in all subgroups (except Latino and maybe Asians?).

So if he is increasing in all groups, and Obama is dropping 10 million votes, where did the 5.5 million go?

I'm trying not to go truther here, but this is REALLY weird.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (dX4hn)

70 who did not show up

I think that will forever remain one of life's great mysteries.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (vbh31)

71
54
My hubby talked to 25 year old girl at his work today./ She voted for "lesser of two evils" - and to her it was all about Roe v Wade. She voted for Obama.

Ok....lesser of two evils: do I want abortion or employment? hmmm...so hard. I choose abortion!




Posted by: Lily at November 07, 2012 08:26 PM (fOvLk)

72 I'm tempted the next time I'm at a restaurant where it appears that my waiter may be an Obama supporter to write Obama on the tip line.
Posted by: polynikes at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (AiZkN)

or hand out a card saying Obama taxed your tip

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:26 PM (40anC)

73 When Obama is the answer to "which is the lesser of two evils?" - well, there's your problem.

No GOP finessing is going to fix that in the future.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 07, 2012 08:26 PM (zpqa2)

74 You gonna eat that?

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 07, 2012 08:26 PM (jKE+Z)

75 "One of Romney's biggest mistakes was picking another white guy as his
running mate, when he had options like Rubio and Jindal available."

I'm thinking less and less of Rubio as I see more and more of him.

Jindal would have been preferred over Ryan.


Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 08:26 PM (ymG7s)

76 *sadly waves hi to my blue state (wtf?!?) neighbor*


****

Hi neighbor.

I got up this morning and promptly plopped down on the sofa and couldn't even bear to turn on the t.v. and the comments here, the poo flinging, was just too much. I felt sick.

The positive thread below was desperately needed.

How's your day going? How did your employer take the news?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:26 PM (piMMO)

77 Well I read that whole AllahP exit poll summary and there is certainly food for thought there. We got our asses kicked by the under 40 crowd, by the unmarrieds, by the blame Bushies, by minorities of every stripe.

The only one I see sure to get better is Bush blamers by 2016. One out of four ain't bad (slaps self).

I'm now hoping for a Bladerunner blimp to come flying overhead, advertising a new life in the off world colonies.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 08:26 PM (ccXZP)

78 Romney got 90,000 fewer votes in Ohio than McCain.


Posted by: watching at November 07, 2012 08:27 PM (1MePm)

79
Can someone explain to me why social issues have ANY business at the federal level?
Posted by: I'm a girl





Probably something having to do with us being members of the same national society.

At least, that's how it was before everyone started to think of themselves as an unique and special snowflake.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 08:27 PM (kdS6q)

80 Oh, and as far as the data Ace and Allahpundit posted on, showing Sandy was a BIG issue for voters?

I had been saying this for a week or two before the election, to the point of even predicting an Obama win (before at the last minute, I got swept up in teh optimism, and predited a narrow Romney win), which I was universally attacked for as an Eeyore, a Democrat, etc.

But, no. As I pointed out a million times, I overestimated GOP performance in every election since 2006, including this one.

I was a Pollyanna. Most of the rest of you were far, far more deluded Pollyannas.

That's just a fact. You don't need to get upset about it. Just acknowledge it as a fact and move on.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:27 PM (SKX2R)

81 Data Points To A Powerful Romney Campaign – And Yet…He Lost.
by Ulsterman on November 7, 2012 with 7 Comments in News
Received this link from Insider this afternoon and told to look it over carefully. They remain completely confounded as to how the reported #s and final results appear to directly conflict with data such as appears in this link. THIS DATA IS IMPORTANT SO PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO REVIEW IT AS WELL.
Here is a brief summary of just how well Mitt Romney did in shifting voters toward him in 2012 versus what took place in 2008:

Barack Obama netted FEWER Democrat votes in 2012 than were cast in 2008 by 3% points.
Mitt Romney earned MORE Republican votes in 2012 than were cast in 2008 by 3% points.
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« Rush Limbaugh On 2012 Election – “Nation Of Children, Santa Claus Wins”
Barack Obama earned FEWER Black votes in 2012 than he did in 2008.
Mitt Romney by the way, earned MORE Black votes in 2012 than were cast for the Republican in 2008.
Mitt Romney earned MORE votes from both married men and married woman than were cast for Republicans in 2008, while also improving support among non-married men and woman by 2% from 2008 as well.
Mitt Romney earned MORE votes among liberals, moderates, and conservatives than were cast for the Republican candidate in 2008 – in fact, this improvement was by a full 7% over 2008 – a very significant improvement.
Mitt Romney earned more votes from Protestants, Catholics, and Jews than the Republican nominee received in 2008, including a 9-point improvement among Jewish voters alone.
The two top issues according to voters were the economy and the budget. Mitt Romney earned A 38 POINT ADVANTAGE OVER BARACK OBAMA on the top two issues of the election – and yet Romney was somehow defeated.
Lastly, regarding the following three personal trait issues – strong leader, shares my values, and has a vision for the future, Mitt Romney DOMINATED Barack Obama among 2012 voters by 45 points. And lost the election.
___________________________
Here is the link to the data via the Washington Post. It is stunning, some might even say inconceivable, that a candidate improves in such categories as overall votes among Whites AND minorities, is ranked far ahead of their opponent in both the top two concerns among voters, as well as the three most important personal trait issues – and still loses the election.
That is exactly what happened last night. Somehow, someway…that is what happened to Mitt Romney – and to all who supported him.
See link below – and the dramatic shift in Republicans’ favor in 2012 vs 2008. A shift the resulted in a confounding loss that remains dubious at best…
Exit polls 2012: How votes are shifting

Posted by: mrks at November 07, 2012 08:28 PM (15/2r)

82
I was doing an inspection of our Intensive Care Unit today and was glad that none of the very sick veterans were aware of what just happened.
It's painful. They didn't fight for this socialist hell. They freed millions around the world no matter what their skin color/ethnicity was. They protected and defended those that couldn't defend themselves from tyranny.
Sad.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 08:28 PM (EAgmr)

83 Ok how can we bring in Asians and Latinos?

Mitch McConnel and Phil Gramm showed a way.

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:28 PM (40anC)

84 I made the hypothesis during the primaries, as did others, and, like others after the election, I thought it could have been the case.

You might have noticed that no one wanted to do your legwork for your own baseless hypothesis. But no, every other political thread I skim through, there you go again with your friggin Important Hypothesis that you have no evidence for (outside your own prejudice against the religious). Self-importantly linking your very own post about The Reason Obama Won. Here, let me stop hinting at things: You spammed threads. You spread misinformation. You've still got a touch of arrogance after eating humble pie. I hypothesize you're a troll, and should be treated as such.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 07, 2012 08:28 PM (v3pYe)

85 35: Allan West

Posted by: JustMe at November 07, 2012 08:28 PM (x5yDi)

86 Many Republicans of any stripe also didn't show up because they felt that the choice was between similar outcomes.

One choice would be a bit slower in coming to fruition but both will eventually arrive at the same point.

Some here complained about that characterization but the fact is that a lot of people believe it and can see it in how so many Republicans actually govern. Not what they campaign on but what they do once they're in.

I thought 20 years ago; "The Republicans have a chance now to act instead of talk" and they caved under the threat of a government shut down. They caved. Newt Gingrich caved to Bill Clinton and the Democrats. They showed their true convictions and the Democrats have pwned them ever since. yesterday was just the final icing on a cake that's been in the oven for 20 years.

And let's not mimic the Democrats and talk about how our message wasn't clear or wasn't understood.

It was understood perfectly and was voted down. Mostly because they didn't believe the Republicans would do any such thing as balance the budget, cut spending and the deficits. They never have. Why would they start now. Plus, if they actually did do any cuts, it would be those less fortunate who would have their programs cut first and not the earmarks and set asides for all the insiders.

They saw Romney exactly in the role he took on at Bain. The guy who comes in to a company that's been mismanaged or had some bad luck who cuts management deadwood by buyouts, sells the property that has any worth and cuts employees until the company either starts making money as a different company or can't be saved. That's when Bain would bail and the company be dissolved.

They rightly saw that that was what he would do for the US and they weren't buying it. They don't see the fiscal cliff from where they are. They only hear that from Republicans. Why should they believe them?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 08:29 PM (SP4jC)

87 Can someone explain to me why social issues have ANY business at the federal level?
Posted by: I'm a girl

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Ummm, because they are asking us to pay for it all? Think abortion.

Or because they are asking us to be coerced into behavior that violates the First Amendment? Think freedom of religion.

First Amendment. Kind of a federal thing.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 08:29 PM (P6QsQ)

88 Anyone know the Male / Female voter split? IE, how many Females voted as compared to men?

Because I think it was the MEN who stayed home.... Women voted... so Bambi, who is Metrosexual at best... won....

Note... BOTH parties catered to the Female vote... they FOUGHT for it... while the MAN Vote?...

Heck.... Romney even threw the Foreign Policy debate.... he WIMPED on us... when he should have taken Obama to the woodshed for a whupin...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 08:30 PM (lZBBB)

89 I'm with #5. We need to take it as an opportunity to teach about republicanism and states rights.

As a Californian, I've seen the destruction of a once mighty state because all elections really only revolve around abortion and the new comer to the party, gay rights.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 08:30 PM (DXTKe)

90 Oh, and as far as the data Ace and Allahpundit posted on, showing Sandy was a BIG issue for voters?





People who are dumb enough to be swayed by a photo op shouldn't be allowed to vote

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 08:30 PM (EmQa+)

91
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (dX4hn)
I agree with you, something is weird. It doesn't add up. I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to saythat it's possible that something isnot quiteright.

Posted by: spypeach at November 07, 2012 08:30 PM (pwTow)

92 "Romney got 90,000 fewer votes in Ohio than McCain.

Posted by: watching at November 07, 2012 08:27 PM (1MePm)
"


CEO versus War Hero.

People tended to demonize McCain, but he actually did have a bit to offer - and the old warrior is the kind of conservative that does the best:

A defense conservative.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 08:30 PM (uhAkr)

93 My South Asian college buddies are big Dems. They are both doctors now and rich as shit. They have brown-ish Indian skin and in college talked a lot about being oppressed minorities (even though their parents were Brahmin ruling caste back in India).

Their Dad was an immigrant doctor in Virginia. I heard them repeat this one story over and over where they talked about getting called sand ni**** by their redneck bus driver.

That story got them so much pussy. I saw him use it 5 times freshman year.

But, yeah, he saw all whites as racists secretly calling him sand ni***** behind his back. Even though he grew up as a rich doctor's kid son.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:30 PM (ZPrif)

94 I had a noticeable drop in business at the restaurant today. And by noticeable I mean it was like WTF?????

Strangely enough my largest customer base was from the ICE Building down the street.

How completely and totally odd.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:31 PM (uD2fR)

95 You spammed threads. You spread misinformation.
You've still got a touch of arrogance after eating humble pie. I
hypothesize you're a troll, and should be treated as such.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 07, 2012 08:28 PM (v3pYe)

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It's the poster formerly known as "random". He said so himself either late last night or earlier this morning.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 08:31 PM (P6QsQ)

96 Pro-lifers: saving the lives that vote them into irrelevance.

Yeah, Maggie Sanger was right.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 07, 2012 08:31 PM (QTHTd)

97 I'm trying not to go truther here, but this is REALLY weird.

I'm with ya, Dave. As quite a few others here have indicted, it sure doesn't feel right. Having said that, "feelings" are for liberals and I'm not gonna go there, either.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 08:31 PM (vbh31)

98 I'm thinking less and less of Rubio as I see more and more of him.


****

He ran his course with me about 6 months ago. It just got to the point that when he spoke, all I heard was blahblahblah. And, he's made some real bad decisions in his rookie season, one being on immigration and the other which would have provoked Russia.

I fear that for all his perceived charm, he may be another case of someone who "interviews well".

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:31 PM (piMMO)

99 Your life will be much better if you do not try to engage the hobbit.

Posted by: Adam at November 07, 2012 08:32 PM (jOByT)

100 10
Specifically, -Chinese-, Vietnamese, Indian (dot - not feather, naturally), Eastern European, Nigerian, Pakistani, Middle Eastern immigrants who invoke "family reunification" to bring in their parents are required as a condition of that reunification to sign papers pledging that those parents won't become a public charge (not having paid into Social Security or Medicare, they're not supposed to draw on it).

Matloff points out that there is absolutely no enforcement mechanism for this, and that as soon as those elderly Chinese get here, they go directly on SSI.
Torquewrench
FIFY
THIS x 100

(I live it every day thanks to my super-sweet, awesome "just show up to work (sometimes not even that) and you'll get paid - Gold-plated Cadillac Plan medical benefits having" gub'mint job)
Don't get me started on the shit-eating grins and "high-fives" from the "DACA kids" that I see every day as well.
On the plus side, at least their English skills are excellent bc they've basically grown up here..+ they usually seem pretty industrious, are somewhat (or better) educated and at least seem to WANT to work...assuming they could find a job in this economy...

Posted by: King Ding Dong at November 07, 2012 08:32 PM (EFl3q)

101 I got up this morning and promptly plopped down on the sofa and couldn't even bear to turn on the t.v. and the comments here, the poo flinging, was just too much. I felt sick.


Right there with you. I'm crushed, the wife is PISSED.


The positive thread below was desperately needed.


Def enjoyed them.

How's your day going? How did your employer take the news?


Well, employer is my dad and grandpa, so we spent the day bitching. Highlight of the day, however, was when one of our suppliers delivered an order. Mid 20s guy, stoner-like, tattoos, didn't think he was exceptionally bright. Walked through the door, "Obama? Wtf? I mean, he didn't tell us anything about how he's going to fix the problems. Where's his plan? What's he going to do? Romney gave us his plan. The 5 points. I mean, we don't know shit about Obama. And WHAT THE FUCK is with the scars on his head?!?"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 08:32 PM (GEICT)

102 A Napa man was arrested Wednesday morning on suspicion of burglarizing six residences, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's St. Helena house twice, a Napa County sheriff's captain said.
The five burglaries in Napa County and one in Solano County occurred in the past week, Capt. Tracy Stuart said.
The suspect, Kevin Michael Hagan, 21, admitted the six burglaries since Halloween, including those at Pelosi's residence on Zinfandel Lane outside St. Helena on Nov. 5 and 6, Stuart said.
Deputies found a glass door to the main Pelosi residence and a glass door to the pool house had been smashed when they responded to an alarm there around 2:50 p.m. on Nov. 5.
No one was home at the time and it's unknown what was taken, Stuart said.
On Nov. 6 at 9:50 a.m., a caretaker at the Pelosi home discovered plywood that was placed over the broken glass doors the day before had been removed, and someone entered the main house and pool house, Stuart said.
It appeared someone looked through drawers and cabinets, Stuart said.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 07, 2012 08:32 PM (e8kgV)

103 Dear Lord. Just got an e-mail from my cousin in FL. She's as sweet as she can be, works in the healthcare field in a major FL hospital, and is a hopeless Obamabot. She gets her "news" from The View and other mindless wimmins' chat shows.

Just asked me how our son is. The wine I've been sipping kicked into gear and I gave her an earful about Dear Leader.

Such a sweet person. So fucking clueless. Gah.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 07, 2012 08:33 PM (UOM48)

104 Romney lost big on the under 30's...even with unemployment high.

This is the result of the schools. The SCHOOLS!!!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 07, 2012 08:33 PM (Y5I9o)

105 I'm going to keep saying it: switch 150k votes, total, from D to R among OH, VA, FL, NH and Pres Romney wins. That could be even less once the remaining few million votes come in -- especially the MILITARY ones in Fla and VA.

All this panicking and the election could turn on tens of thousands of votes only in the right swing states.

The luckiest JEF got the luckiest breaks continuing to break his way at the perfect time: Hull, Ryan, winning the nomination even though he lost more votes to HJC than he won, McCains lead evaporating overnight with Lehman, and Sandy.

And the media had very little to do with that [other than printing the divorce transcripts, which were always going to make their way to the Internet anyway].

Don't let the Eeyores and MSM fool you - this was a *tight* race.

Posted by: Najdorf at November 07, 2012 08:33 PM (tAHf5)

106 Yeah, Maggie Sanger was right.

Say, have you ever considered applying for a spot on the Death Panels? A perfect fit!

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 08:33 PM (vbh31)

107 and Obumblef**k is not a Black American! His father is Kenyan and his mother is a rich white American! How can people be so easily fooled????????

Posted by: JustMe at November 07, 2012 08:33 PM (x5yDi)

108 42

Chris Christie is dead to me.

New Jersey - you can have Jon Corzine back. Thanks folks.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:20 PM

If he doesn't get primaried, I'll tell old NJ friends to back Corey Booker should he be the Dem.

How is Christie one of us other than taking on the public unions? Every other issue he's with the socialists. Booker acts more like a small government conservative than the Fat Man

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:33 PM (wwsoB)

109 It's the poster formerly known as "random". He said so himself either late last night or earlier this morning.

Sorry, haven't been here enough to know all the trolls.

May I subscribe to the newsletter?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (sGtp+)

110 Ace, 35% of Asian-American pregnancies end in abortion. The kid gets in the way they are gone.

Posted by: madamex at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (+kvQd)

111 "I hypothesize you're a troll, and should be treated as such.


Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 07, 2012 08:28 PM (v3pYe)"



Oh I'd say there's more evidence to support your hypothesis than his. Way more.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (uD2fR)

112 Well the "don't slit your wrists" news is that 500K votes over 5 states would have changed the presidency.

The bad news is I still see no good accounting over where or why those votes stayed home.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (PHb2k)

113

pubic America checking in

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (Y4TdB)

114 Okay, maybe someone can explain this to me: what exactly was so impressive of how Preezy Putrid "handled" Sandy?? Are these people so useless they don't know what a photo op is??? He did absolutely nothing special. Nothing. Special.

We are doomed.

Posted by: dj at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (3uuF3)

115 or hand out a card saying Obama taxed your tip
___
He certainly did. I still can't walk straight.

Posted by: Kal Penn at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (AUeaU)

116 Dave in Fla I want to thank you for your excellent analysis it saved my eyore butt many times over the course of this campaign. Your numbers and your rational were correct. So like you I'm wondering just WTH happened.

Posted by: small town girl at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (9yly6)

117 >>> People scapegoat evangelicals because it's socially acceptable to do so.

No it's NOT socially acceptable to be in a group of Christians and say, hey, maybe their fellow Christians didn't turn out enough.

That isn't socially acceptable at all. It's the exact opposite of socially acceptable.

Nor is what I said initially, and repeated today:

Demographics. The GOP is losing certain demographics, especially as white people become less populous.

There's nothing socially acceptable about the claim, but the data bears it out.

So whatever you do, don't claim I am a politically-correct social conformist.

The idea Christians might not want to vote for Mormons was a reasonable guess anyway, even if it turned out not to be so.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:35 PM (SKX2R)

118

er,

American pubic, here

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:35 PM (FC8Yl)

119 Oh please, the Weather Channel is trying to hype the storm in NJ like it's Stormageddon II

Looks like what most of those in northern and mountain climes call a "dusting"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:35 PM (wwsoB)

120 42% of the Public Said Hurricane Sandy Was "Important" To Their Decision


ignorant fucks

Posted by: Rmoney Voter at November 07, 2012 08:35 PM (JtyGg)

121 I like Paul Ryan , but in the end he brought nothing.
Marco Rubio as Doug Shoen would say would have been a better choice.
Romney may still have lost but would have won Florida and broke into the Hispanic vote and coat tails may have helped Allen West.

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:35 PM (40anC)

122 "Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 08:29 PM (SP4jC)"

5.5 million of them? How would such a resistance rate NOT be noticed during the GOTV effort? Wouldn't that also be noticed on the precinct strike lists?

The campaign had hit their numbers from the strike lists. It wasn't until results rolled in that the numbers weren't there.

This is starting to stink like the credit card verification thing.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:35 PM (dX4hn)

123 Motherfucker was saved by a kamikaze.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 07, 2012 08:36 PM (celt+)

124 it's not just the Hispanic thing the youth vote (the dumbasses that are gonna get fucked the most from obama) showed up and out did their 2008 numbers. I'd hate to bank on it but could another Dem maybe this one an old white guy pull these kind of numbers from Obama's coalition?

Posted by: bannor at November 07, 2012 08:36 PM (BjJOB)

125 Booker acts more like a small government conservative than the Fat Man



Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:33 PM (wwsoB)

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He is amazing on Twitter. Really seems to be intent on doing a good job.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 08:36 PM (P6QsQ)

126 What is wrong with my fellow millennials. My god we are all idiots, we need someone my age to write a book like what's a matter with Kansas.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 08:36 PM (NzBQO)

127 Just asked me how our son is. The wine I've been sipping kicked into gear and I gave her an earful about Dear Leader.

Heh. In vino, veritas. That's what I love about it. The veritas.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 07, 2012 08:36 PM (QKKT0)

128

it's the pubic unions, they're our problem



Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:36 PM (Fely/)

129 42% of the Public Said Hurricane Sandy Was "Important" To Their Decision

like tey werent going to vote Obama anyway.

the truth is the dem GOTV was great , even with uninspired voters

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:37 PM (40anC)

130 The campaign had hit their numbers from the strike lists. It wasn't until results rolled in that the numbers weren't there.

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I know. It's inexplicable.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 08:37 PM (P6QsQ)

131 Why isn't the Fat Man on tv now bellowing for the cameras ..

"Stay awff da roads, I ain't kiddin' "

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:37 PM (wwsoB)

132 Regarding asians, it depends which country they originally came from. I know because....

If we're talking Chinese, then its pretty obvious why they broke for the Dems. I had a Chinese coworker tell me once the reason why she's voting Dem is because she likes to get more benefits from the gov and doesn't mind paying more taxes. Not sure she understood what was wrong with that equation. Oh, and did I mention she not even legally allowed to vote? Communism is all they know.

Other asians from countries not historically rolled over by communists tend to be less fodder for Dems. South Koreans, as an example, tend to be more conservative than liberal. The old school Koreans would make the most hardcore Baptists from the deep south look like swingers in Vegas. Not kidding. They like their jesus and discipline.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 08:37 PM (doBIb)

133 Well, employer is my dad and grandpa, so we spent the day bitching.
Highlight of the day, however, was when one of our suppliers delivered
an order. Mid 20s guy, stoner-like, tattoos, didn't think he was
exceptionally bright. Walked through the door, "Obama? Wtf? I mean, he
didn't tell us anything about how he's going to fix the problems.
Where's his plan? What's he going to do? Romney gave us his plan. The 5
points. I mean, we don't know shit about Obama. And WHAT THE FUCK is
with the scars on his head?!?"


****

Ha! Never judge a book by its cover!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:37 PM (piMMO)

134

an uneducated American pubic will be our undoing

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:37 PM (vyPsz)

135 110 Ace, 35% of Asian-American pregnancies end in abortion. The kid gets in the way they are gone.

Posted by: madamex at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (+kvQd)

--Asians also bring their sex-selective abortion mentality with them to the States.

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 07, 2012 08:38 PM (jKE+Z)

136 We should attack affirmative action and race preferences in college admissions. That will help with asians and whites and hurt with hispanics.

It's also the right thing to do because it's fucking immoral to racially discriminate against white people just because they are fucking white!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:38 PM (ZPrif)

137 I was talking to a young Republican--

they blame Facebook.

Say they will not be able to look at Facebook--or Tumblr.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 08:38 PM (r2PLg)

138 For those who missed it earlier, Samwise is Random.

He said so in a thread today.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 08:38 PM (ccXZP)

139 In the "I'm shocked this happened the day after" category:
'Innocence of Muslims' filmmaker gets a year in prison
http://is.gd/21F7XH

Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 08:38 PM (jQm+J)

140 /Fat Man sock

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 08:38 PM (jKE+Z)

141 A serious question:

Why isn't Sheppy Smith on Staten Island or somewhere screeching about the rapes, dead babies, and cannibalism like he did after Katrina?

What a toolbox he is.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 07, 2012 08:39 PM (UOM48)

142 Ha! Never judge a book by its cover!


I know, right? Dad and I were cracking up. "We def need to reevaluate our opinion of Brian."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 08:39 PM (GEICT)

143 42% of the Public Said Hurricane Sandy Was "Important" To Their Decision



To hell with competing political philosophies. The time is ripe for the formation of a weather-based third party.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 07, 2012 08:39 PM (QKKT0)

144 Love the sidebar article. We need an educated and informed electorate. This means fair representation and influence in education and the media.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 08:39 PM (DXTKe)

145 "No it's NOT socially acceptable to be in a group of Christians and say, hey, maybe their fellow Christians didn't turn out enough.
That isn't socially acceptable at all. It's the exact opposite of socially acceptable."


Then would you care to explain why you spent about 5000 words to that precise effect?

Wait, you know what, don't bother answering, just kindly shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:39 PM (uD2fR)

146 Posted by: dj at November 07, 2012 08:34 PM (3uuF3)

But.. but... he's so GOOD at giving away our money! He signs checks with such a Florish!

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 08:39 PM (lZBBB)

147 My plan for the next election? Turn everyone into an evangelical.



We vote, and we vote conservative.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 08:39 PM (P6QsQ)

148
This from NRO: Link at instapundit.

"Second, lay off the social issues. Let me be blunt: Conservatives have lost that war, and last night’s defeats are just the beginning. As with Griswold and Roe, the times they are a’changing when it comes to sex. Furthermore: It doesn’t matter. True, the eternal verities remain, well, eternal verities, but quoting random passages from the Old Testament to justify contemporary American mores is just nuts; better for the dwindling Christian majority to embrace the message of the New Testament and let God’s love wash over all His children. Salvation is neither a board game nor a checklist. So do what the Democrats do: accept changing circumstances and then co-opt them. "

http://tinyurl.com/aoetur7

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:39 PM (O7ksG)

149 134 an uneducated American pubic will be our undoing
--
On the contrary, a too "well" educated country will be our undoing. The kids these days are carefully taught. I've been in a high ed program for the past couple of years, and I saw it every single fucking day.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 07, 2012 08:40 PM (Y5I9o)

150 134

an uneducated American pubic will be our undoing just undid us.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:37 PM (vyPsz)


FIFY

I've shown the wife some of the goofy candidates elected, and a few of the laws and bills that got passed.

She just shakes her head in disbelief.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 08:40 PM (Qxe/p)

151 to bring in their parents are required as a condition of that reunification to sign papers pledging that those parents won't become a public charge

Some asshole Asian plopped his parents from some hell hole in MASS public housing and two months later his dad ate his mom. They don't even look after them

Posted by: madamex at November 07, 2012 08:40 PM (+kvQd)

152 Gotta split asians into east asians and south asians.

East asians love abortion and have minimal ethical problems with it.
East asians also inter-marry with whites a lot.

South asians tend to be hindu or muslim. Very different.

It's useless to lump them together as "asian" very different voting blocks.

Cubans and Mexicans are much closer in the hispanic category despite being quite different.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:40 PM (ZPrif)

153 I volunteered in 2004 Las Vegas.

A bunch of people gossiping and me and an older Vietnamese lady calling voters like maniacs.

She told me her kids and grandkids were ungrateful little bastards.

They do not appreciate America--spoiled rotten.

Then she would go right back to failing like crazy.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 08:40 PM (r2PLg)

154 If we're talking Chinese, then its pretty obvious why they broke for the
Dems. I had a Chinese coworker tell me once the reason why she's
voting Dem is because she likes to get more benefits from the gov and
doesn't mind paying more taxes. Not sure she understood what was wrong
with that equation. Oh, and did I mention she not even legally allowed
to vote? Communism is all they know.


****

My ex-coworker, a wonderful man, is married to a very lovely lady who was born in Shanghai.

She is learning at a rapid pace about America and the freedoms she offers. Ken came in one day and was a bit dumbfounded to have learned that there isn't a Chinese equivalent to the word "vote".

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (piMMO)

155 "I'm with ya, Dave. As quite a few others here have indicted, it sure doesn't feel right. Having said that, "feelings" are for liberals and I'm not gonna go there, either."

Yeah, well I'm digging around for the results out of St. Lucie County. If I can fine the voter registration information, I might have more than feelings for you.

This is the county that suddenly "recounted" early votes and West wen from 2K up to 2.5K down.

West is demanding a hand recount, btw.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (dX4hn)

156
Article over at RS analyzing the "Hispanic vote" BS. For every 5 percent increase in the Hispanic vote for Romney he would have moved up just 1 percent total in states like CO and NV. So if Romney had won 40% of the Hispanic vote (Bush's 2004 national tally) in CO and NV instead of the high 20s (CO) and low 30s (NV) he would have still lost both states, but by a point or two better. In the exceedingly close FL, however, the Hispanic vote (60-39 O) was what allowed Obama to eke out a win. Rick Scott won Hispanics two years ago.

Would pandering in espanol have moved votes in lily-white electorates like MN, WI and IA or slightly less but still pretty damn white rust belt states like MI, OH and PA? Me thinks not. In the latter three the dynamic is still very much white/black.

Posted by: GeorgieBoy at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (jRsDv)

157 @29 I 2nd that emotion. First, it's the Christians. Then it's the Brown People for whom we need to transform Americanism.
Bitch. Americanism is its own reward, fool!

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (1V6Pv)

158 AllenG? Great guy. Does he have a blog? Nope.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (BuSM8)

159 My good friend got fired from her job at the Texas Medical Center (ground zero for all things Cancer-related) in Houston.TMC has been slowly, quietly downsizing for a while in anticipation for Obamacare.

This is going to be so ugly.

Posted by: Ktgreat at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (avGs3)

160

our pubic schools are churning out Democrat voters by the hundreds

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (Fely/)

161 *dialing* like crazy.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (r2PLg)

162 @148 Yeah, who needs Christian voters?
[The sad thing is some dolts here don't actually know.]

Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (jQm+J)

163
I read something very interesting today that helped. Psalms 37. It was recomended to me and I looked. I'm not one to be preachy but it did help a bit. Especially the 35th verse. It's right there when u google it.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (OCkzq)

164 After seeing the exit polls I realized why we lost. We belong to a nation of fucking retards.
Long term we have a major demographics problem. In this race, we lost because we didn't get our base out

Posted by: Jolly Roger at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (0SHei)

165
more...

"First, the Republicans should never again agree to any debate moderated by any member of the MSM, most especially including former Democratic apparatchiks like Stephanopoulos. What used to be the American journalistic establishment — and I spent 25 years in it — is now out and proud and fully committed to the Obama Way. For them, this was the moment they’d been waiting for since the 1960s, their chance to (as they see it) change the course of American history, to be participants instead of just observers and stenographers, and if they had to first compromise, and then abandon, their stated principles of objectivity and neutrality, so what? The game was worth the candle. They will go to their graves feeling good about themselves.
So whoever emerges as the party’s new leaders in the wake of this disaster must be adamant about this. Four years from now the attenuation of the MSM will be even farther advanced than it is today, which means that the Republicans should immediately begin constructing their own media operation, one that exists independently of the series of the teetering black monoliths that line Manhattan’s Sixth Avenue near Rockefeller Center. And that means that the big GOP money should henceforth divert at least a tiny fraction of the dough it poured into Karl Rove’s useless American Crossroads super PAC and its ilk and establish its own, alternative media (not Fox News) that functions both as a sword and shield against the decaying, corrupt journalistic establishment. After all, the Republicans lost with the super PACS, and they can just as easily lose without them, and at a fraction of the cost. But they can’t win without a media operation that can neutralize the 15 to 20 points that MSM advocacy regularly contributes to the Democrats. The only way to beat the media is to replace the media — and if you don’t think the media won this election for Obama, you’re delusional."

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:41 PM (O7ksG)

166 >>> You spread misinformation.

I was far closer than most here about the outcome of the election.

A couple days before the election, I predicted Obama would win narrowly because of Sandy. In fact, Obama won not so narrowly -- because of Sandy, apparently, according to Ace's post.

I postulated that my (and Legal Insurrection's, and Jonathan Last of the Weekly Standard's, and many commenters here's) speculation that Christians may not have all turned out to Mitt was the reason for the loss.

As soon as I saw detailed data that didn't bear this out, I posted it, widely. Then I came to discuss that data honestly here. That's what an intellectually honest person -- who was much closer to predicting the outcome of the election, incidentally -- does.

You're not an intellectually honest person, you're a hack, and don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:42 PM (SKX2R)

167 This nation was irrevocably changed by the immigration acts of '65 and 86'

We were tap dancing on the edge of a razor blade, we have now slipped and the country has been eviscerated.

The GOP will never be favored by Latinos as they have nothing to offer them.

The GOP will never be favored by Asians as they have nothing to offer them.

The leftward slide is nearly complete.


And Any country that willingly allows unborn children to be massacred, is unworthy of Gods love and protection.

Any country that sanctions sodomy and the alteration of the definition of marriage is lost and can never be redeemed.

There was once a dream that was America, it has vanished.





Posted by: General Woundwort at November 07, 2012 08:42 PM (0fxcV)

168 I just cancelled Comcast. They always want to know why.

" I will not spend one more dime on the media in this country after what happened in yesterday's election". "Yes, m'am, I understand" DO YOU REALLY?

Popular culture (Hollywood, Television, Music, Books (50 shades of grey, really?)
Liberal control of education.
Media malfeasance.

This is why we lost the country. We may not get it back.


Posted by: Derak at November 07, 2012 08:42 PM (lkjWK)

169 Non-married women (23% of voters), Obama 67%, Romney 31%

Think rape/abortion didn't matter? That's a better than 2 to 1 tsunami covering 23% of the electorate.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 08:42 PM (hx/td)

170 You guys don't think JEF stooges spent 4 years rigging this election, do you?

Posted by: Scratch One Republic at November 07, 2012 08:42 PM (9ghZ6)

171 It's useless to lump them together as "asian" very different voting blocks.

Cubans and Mexicans are much closer in the hispanic category despite being quite different.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:40 PM (ZPrif)

--Sex-selective abortions are prevalent in both India and China. As regards that issue, it's fine to call them just "Asians."

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 08:42 PM (jKE+Z)

172 As with Griswold and Roe, the times they are a’changing when it comes to sex.

They sure are! Any port in a storm, I always say!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 07, 2012 08:43 PM (vbh31)

173 But.. but... he's so GOOD at giving away our money! He signs checks with such a Florish!


***

But he looks so PRESIDENTIAL doing it!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:43 PM (piMMO)

174 I don't understand what Hurricane Sandy had to do with this. I lost power for three fucking days in Pennsylvania and I still managed to vote for Romney.

Seriously, I don't get it. I never connected the storm to politics, and in fact, once I got over my internet withdrawal, I actually was relieved to open up a good book and not be reminded of the election every 30 goddamn seconds.

Posted by: rickl at November 07, 2012 08:43 PM (sdi6R)

175 As a fiscal con, I wasn't a romney supporter until he picked Ryan. Yeah, I probably could have never voted jef, but Ryan did put wind into the sails.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 08:44 PM (DXTKe)

176 169 Non-married women (23% of voters), Obama 67%, Romney 31%

Think rape/abortion didn't matter? That's a better than 2 to 1 tsunami covering 23% of the electorate.



Cause of course that's the only thing in their empty little heads.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 08:44 PM (GEICT)

177 As with Griswold and Roe, the times they are a’changing when it comes to sex.



****

I feel like Beavis.

Someone mentions "Griswold" and I immediately think 'Clark'.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:44 PM (piMMO)

178 125 Booker acts more like a small government conservative than the Fat Man

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:33 PM (wwsoB)

----------
He is amazing on Twitter. Really seems to be intent on doing a good job.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 08:36 PM

Booker first ran against Sharpe James, a corrupt hack who made even Chicago machine hacks look saintly. James actually bused in welfare and union people from Philly to vote for him. Booker lost the first time, won the second time

He offered his home to Sandy evacuees. Nanny Bloomberg probably didn't even allow his servants to stay at his Upper East Side home

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:44 PM (wwsoB)

179 South asians tend to be hindu or muslim. Very different.

they are also technically caucasian

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:45 PM (40anC)

180 Does anyone know if Christie plays the sax?

Maybe he wants to be Springsteen's new BIG MAN.

Just asking.

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 07, 2012 08:45 PM (sRIFP)

181

"In the end, though, Mitt lost because he and his team were incapable of grasping one simple, terrible fact: Far too many Americans today don’t want a job, they want — again, to use Obama’s term — revenge.
They just got it. "

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:45 PM (O7ksG)

182 Nah, it's not useful to lump south and east asians together. They are so different you can't learn anything. The appeals to one group are not the same as the appeals to the other.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:45 PM (ZPrif)

183 This just in: UN is resurrecting their plot to take over the internet (on WND). Anyone surprised? Ace's blog is toast soon.

Posted by: Just Thinking at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (zAD45)

184 It appears as if my question about Gamgee shutting the fuck up was a stupid one.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (uD2fR)

185 You guys don't think JEF stooges spent 4 years rigging this election, do you?


****

Of curse they did but since we'll never prove it and nothing would happen if we did, we have to find another way to beat them

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (piMMO)

186 Is it possible a good chunk of the missing vote is military? Didn't notice how many Panetta said got lost, for example...

Posted by: Phil at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (+Qvm5)

187 176
169 Non-married women (23% of voters), Obama 67%, Romney 31%



Think rape/abortion didn't matter? That's a better than 2 to 1 tsunami covering 23% of the electorate.



Cause of course that's the only thing in their empty little heads.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 08:44 PM

When a young SWF whines about not having a job and being heavily in debt, I want to say to her "go get yourself an abortion honey, that'll cheer you up"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (wwsoB)

188 >>> Chris Christie is dead to me.

One of the many things I was right about. That his big love-in for Obama hurt.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (SKX2R)

189
Well, the beer wore off. And it wasn't a bad dream.

Time to watch Hannity. Good night all.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (AC0lD)

190
"our pubic schools are churning out Democrat voters by the hundreds"

My hope is that these kids will spurn what they've been taught(indoctrinated) just as the darlings of the 60's did. Go in the opposite direction of whatever the parents/authorities dictate as correct behavior. Become SEVERELY conservative, just to spite the folks. That'd be kinda funny.

Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (JZBti)

191 Doesn't matter who is technically caucasian or not. In the US caucasian=white and dark-skinned Indians aren't white. That won't change, but you can wage a one-man internet war to convince 300 million people to change their mind. Good luck.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:47 PM (ZPrif)

192 BTW, did you hear what the UN observers had to say?

They were, apparently, quite taken back at how lax our standards for I.D. at the polls.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:47 PM (piMMO)

193 183
This just in: UN is resurrecting their plot to take over the internet (on WND). Anyone surprised? Ace's blog is toast soon.


Posted by: Just Thinking at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM

Tune in tomorrow for Part VII, when I'll reveal who's behind all this !!11!!!

Posted by: Glen Beck, cranking the hysteria up to 11 at November 07, 2012 08:47 PM (wwsoB)

194 All signs point to demographics wherein the Democrats have very successfully stitched together an amalgam of malcontents, young ignoramuses and nearly every racial group except whites, to form a voting coalition that does not have any idea the real ramifications of what they think they want. When 2/3rds of Asians, Hispanics, Jews and even larger percentages of blacks and the young have assembled into a large and reliable voting bloc, we really might as well kiss it all goodbye. They've brainwashed the masses and the masses show no signs of changing. The media, Hollywood, academia...all of them...have their hooks in and they're running unopposed. We're just the radical, greedy, racist freaks.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." ~Sir Winston Churchill

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (lTVJy)

195 a repeat, because IT IS ACTUAL NEWS


In the "I'm shocked this happened the day after" category:
'Innocence of Muslims' filmmaker gets a year in prison
http://is.gd/21F7XH

Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (jQm+J)

196 Good , Asians are well off... Compared to the general population.... And many are self employed... So they vote for taxes increases

Republicans should not stand in the way of taxes increases for the rich by 5 % .... That's actually the one thing Obama campaigned on .and they kept saying back to the Clinton days, they don't mention that Clinton ecomnic growth was fuled by once a century new industry ,.... Like the Internet, tech... Which lead to a dot.com bubble that burst the day the slime left office.

Or that states income rates were not as high as they are now, or that most states didn't even have a income tax.


Unless taxes go up. You can't lower them and you can't show the stupid populace what raising taxes will do to ecominic growth even if you raise them on only 10% of population , and most of the rich are in blue states and very blue cities, so here's are gift to them, for putting Obama back in office.

Rich 5% for defined, in writing , with dates actual cuts,.... And once the rich move their money around, the revenue wouldn't come in ... And we're back to stage one.... Then what will the democrats do, go after were the money is, the middle class... And that's were republicans hold the line.

What democrats ultimately want is a VAT or a sales tax., which is a money machine... Republicans have to not be put in a corner with some debt bullshit , crisis that the democrats and the media would manufacture and demand action...if republicans are any part of a tax increase for the middle class they will be finished as a party .



All I remember from Obama, republican answers taxes cuts taxes cuts...for every problem.... Well let's see what taxes increases, tax increases for every problem will do.... Hello Cali.



Posted by: Sam at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (FWINB)

197 Well, the beer wore off. And it wasn't a bad dream.

Time to watch Hannity. Good night all.

***

Watch The Voice, You'll feel better.

G'night

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (piMMO)

198 192 BTW, did you hear what the UN observers had to say?

They were, apparently, quite taken back at how lax our standards for I.D. at the polls.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:47 PM (piMMO)


They're right, too.
That's why we should let them control our firearms and internet.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (Qxe/p)

199 My hope is that these kids will spurn what they've been taught(indoctrinated) just as the darlings of the 60's did.

I do too. The problem is that they are not being given the tools to do any sort of critical or analytical thinking.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (IlZPo)

200 There is no way a Hurricane that hits the week of an election could rationally be at all important to anyone's decision. 42% have no brain whatsoever? WTF?

Posted by: Alec Rawls at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (kTTUz)

201 I sell commercial insurance to mid-size companies. Met with three today, and spoke with four or five more. All of them are either seriously considering selling out or at the very least not growing their businesses (read NOT HIRING ANYONE)for the foreseeable future. Capital spending is done, no employment growth.Obamanomics at work.

Posted by: Last conservative in IL at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (JhqoD)

202
Abortion is here to stay.
lets capitalize on the extreme leftwing margins.
NO MORE TAX PAYER FUNDED abortion. Tax payers do noywant yo pay for this. win.
NO more late term abortions. If a child is viable outside the womb - you are killing a child. Why are democrats OK with killing a child?
Force them to answer.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:48 PM (O7ksG)

203 182 Nah, it's not useful to lump south and east asians together. They are so different you can't learn anything. The appeals to one group are not the same as the appeals to the other.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:45 PM (ZPrif)

--I agree with *that*, but I'm just saying that the abortion appeal to both is pretty much equal.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 08:49 PM (jKE+Z)

204 Kind of like waking up from a nightmare just to discover you're still in the intensive care unit

Posted by: Glen Beck, cranking the hysteria up to 11 at November 07, 2012 08:49 PM (wwsoB)

205 I will say this - I will never again be merciful or have pity on those of lesser means than myself. Never. I know times are hard, but I've been through hard times before. I've been laid off from different jobs several times due to cutbacks and etc. However, never once in any of those circumstances did I ever have to ask for help from anyone - including the government or my former employer (unemployment payments).

I had a plan for tough times - I made sure I had some money put away for just such emergencies. Why should I have to pay more taxes to support others that fail to plan or make no effort the support themselves in the first place.

After last night, fuck them. Fuck them all.

Posted by: Not an Artist at November 07, 2012 08:49 PM (uRumV)

206 Watch The Voice, You'll feel better.

Zombie Frank Sinatra has a show? Cool!

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 07, 2012 08:49 PM (IlZPo)

207 >>> I don't understand what Hurricane Sandy had to do with this. I lost power for three fucking days in Pennsylvania and I still managed to vote for Romney.

It's really simple.

People in non-affected areas saw the President doing his job and trying to help fellow-citizens facing hardship and danger. People feel empathy for others, and they transferred this positive emotion to Obama, who was leading.

People IN the effected areas may have seen it be a big clusterfuck or whatever, the they're Dem areas so that doesn't matter. In swing states, it mattered.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:49 PM (SKX2R)

208 Doesn't matter who is technically caucasian or not. In the US caucasian=white and dark-skinned Indians aren't white. That won't change, but you can wage a one-man internet war to convince 300 million people to change their mind. Good luck.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 08:47 PM (ZPrif)

actually some Indians I work with now have their kids put down white on college applications beause of the anti asian discrimination.

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:49 PM (40anC)

209

has anyone else noticed the explosion of this tattoo phenomenon?

in the last 5 years EVERYONE got at least one tattoo if not 3 tattoos, it seems

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:50 PM (KwX0v)

210
So us poor ol SoCons that bucked up and followed Mitt got shit on last night and most of the day here by the MittBots as the cause of his defeat. Turns out we turned out but the so called moderates didn't by three fucking million voters.

Have fun in 2016 with Mr Dream Act Rubio, who couldn't get a lousy 50,000 to vote for Romney in his own f'n state. Or Jebby Bush.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 07, 2012 08:50 PM (VrVBw)

211 our pubic schools are churning out Democrat voters by the hundreds

ISWYDT

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 08:50 PM (QupBk)

212 Random thought: Now that SCOAMF doesn't have to run again, will we see transcripts?

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at November 07, 2012 08:50 PM (hyP1j)

213 Become SEVERELY conservative, just to spite the folks. That'd be kinda funny.


Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 08:46 PM (JZBti)

I remember a MAD magazine cartoon depicting exactly this. Aging boomer hippies aghast at a little 10 year old insisting on wearing a suit and tie. This had to be published about 1970. They were always so prescient.

Posted by: Derak at November 07, 2012 08:51 PM (lkjWK)

214 ONT Moronette Rum told us many times that other Asians she knew were Obamabot lefties

I lived in L.A. for 15 years, I knew she was right

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:51 PM (wwsoB)

215
People IN the effected areas may have seen it be a big clusterfuck or whatever, the they're Dem areas so that doesn't matter. In swing states, it mattered.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:49 PM (SKX2R)

no it was the DEms GOTV effort. they outdid themselves with young, blacks and latinos and also asians

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 08:51 PM (40anC)

216 "Dear Lord. Just got an e-mail from my cousin in FL. She's as sweet as
she can be, works in the healthcare field in a major FL hospital, and is
a hopeless Obamabot."

Buncha "hopeless Obamabots" in health care.

Guess what's going to happen to them?

Obamacare means huge new demand for health care without any matching increase in health care supply. That means rising prices. Inexorably. Econ 101.

Except Obama is visibly irked that prices have been going UP instead of down, as he promised they would go down.

You know where that's going. Wage and price controls on doctors, nurses, med techs and hospitals. Also on drugs, devices, everything down to the Band-Aids and Tylenol.


Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 08:51 PM (ymG7s)

217 Aging boomer hippies aghast at a little 10 year old insisting on wearing a suit and tie.

Great idea for a TV sitcom.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 07, 2012 08:52 PM (IlZPo)

218 I will never, ever, trust pundits again. This entire election simply makes no sense at all. I will also never believe this was won honestly, but it makes no difference. I should never underestimate, from now on, that half of the American people are simply stupid.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, raving lunatic about Benghazi at November 07, 2012 08:52 PM (baL2B)

219 new thread

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 08:52 PM (piMMO)

220 It's not good that people who considered unemployment a huge problem went for Obama.

The answer is that they thought Romney--as a "vulture capitalist"--would do less for the unemployed than Obama would.

The attacks on Romney were much more effective than people believe. The exit polling shows that people voted on the economy, and that they didn't trust Romney to do a better job than Obama.

Idiotic, but most voters are idiots who are easily led. This is why you can NEVER let your opponent define you.

Also, the First Black President has a cult of personality built around him that the GOP failed to recognize, and liberals will forgive their candidates anything and everything. For them, politics is all.

Lizzie Warren practiced law illegally and lied about her ethnic heritage. Richard Blumenthal, John Kerry, and Tom Harkin lied about their military service. Bill Richardson lied about being a Major League baseball player.

Their constituents don't care, because ideology trumps all.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 08:53 PM (SI/pw)

221 Great idea for a TV sitcom.


***

I know, right?!

Posted by: Family Ties at November 07, 2012 08:53 PM (piMMO)

222 Has anyone explained to the Obummer-voters that the entitlement free
stuff must necessarily run out since there's no economic engine left to
generate any prosperity? No? They're going to be SO disappointed.
--

I have a friend with cancer. She told me she was concerned the only way she'd be able to get or keep her insurance was if Obamacare stayed in place. I explained to her how it was going to collapse because the costs were just going to be too high to sustain the level of care we are accustomed to now. Told her about how it raided Medicare, and also that eventually the gov't would be deciding what treatments and meds she could and could not have. She was doing her best not to tell me she was going to vote for Obama, but I'm sure she did anyway. Her voting decision depended on this and only this issue.

I told her, do you really think if Obamacare is repealed, we're just going to let people with cancer go without healthcare? I explained it would be replaced, some elements kept, free market competition, reeling in of class action ambulance chasing lawsuits, the idea was to continue our excellent standards of healthcare, etc. But in the end I don't think I persuaded her.

One (of many) questions I ponder is how some people do not perceive Obama's true nature and character, and others do. Because my friend obviously trusted that Obamacare will deliver what she thinks it will, and for that she has to trust Obama. I cannot fathom how anyone can.

So to answer the question, in this case yes I did try to explain that free healthcare isn't going to be rainbows and unicorns. Unsuccessfully.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 08:53 PM (F3s39)

223 We've had a Thanksgiving threat, a menu thread; how about a music thread.

I can't fucking think or talk about this shit anymore. I was doing my part, ORCA, from 545 to 730 last night and to come home and see everything fucking fall apart; heart wrenching.

I get up this morning, my 13 year old son asks me who won, I tell him and he just looks at me and says that sucks because he was really starting look forward to college. This is a kid who had a horrible 7th grade and is now rocking 8th. Just fucking kicked me in the balls.

Posted by: mastour at November 07, 2012 08:53 PM (Xf0bG)

224 10
Absolutely right torquewrench. I had a chinese employee who was making north of $150k, single, no debt, who thought she was "entitled" to arrange section 8 housing for her parents when they made their anual 6 month visit.

pissed my off then and even more now

Posted by: Buckeye at November 07, 2012 08:54 PM (HdPoT)

225 218
I will never, ever, trust pundits again. This entire election simply
makes no sense at all. I will also never believe this was won honestly,
but it makes no difference. I should never underestimate, from now on,
that half of the American people are simply stupid.


Posted by: ChristyBlinky, raving lunatic about Benghazi at November 07, 2012 08:52 PM (baL2B)

-----------------------------
Well said.

Posted by: Not an Artist at November 07, 2012 08:54 PM (uRumV)

226 What put Obama over the top:

"47%."

Akin/ Mourdock.

Sandy and Chris fucking Christie.

Vote fraud.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 08:54 PM (tUcg9)

227
I have nothing against tattoos in general.
I never wanted one but I don't care if people want them.

Here's the thing: It's like people today either don't understand or don't care or cannot fathom the permanent nature of a tattoo.

You know what I mean?

Some of this "body art" is plain ugly.
They're stuck with it forever. But people live for today, the heck with tomorrow. The whole atttitude of the young people today is...just plain ignorant.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:55 PM (FC8Yl)

228
Why isn't Sheppy Smith on Staten Island or somewhere screeching about the rapes, dead babies, and cannibalism like he did after Katrina?

What a toolbox he is. Posted by: Jane D'oh

I was thinking the same thing Jane. He and is gal pal Anderson Cooper could swap make-up tips, and giggle while talking about boys.
It is all about conquering through racial division. Black in Katrina were used as a battering ram against the Bush administration. Do you think Obozo will be making any more trips to NY or NJ now that the election is over? Only if there is a celebrity party he wants to attend.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 08:55 PM (EAgmr)

229 The problem with fighting the Devil with his methods; you become the Devil. Which was his goal all along. The Devil doesn't really care if he wins just so mankind doesn't and God doesn't. (Lucifer really, really was pissed at God about creating Mankind and bypassing him)

To fight the Progressives like the Progressives fight us will turn us into them. They've already partially succeeded in politics.

Once you give up your morals and that there is Right and Wrong you've lost the true fight. Which is why socons get so much flak because they won't give in.

fiscon and forcons can fudge a little here and there and it's no big deal with socons there's only one way. Abortion is murder. Period. No circumstance mitigates that. Same with the other stances but that's the main one.

Even the law agrees in a way. Murder is punished for every reason except self defense. They may use different labels for it and lesser sentences but it's still killing another human being and it's a crime. Even when it's self defense, it's still labeled murder. The reason doesn't change that a crime has taken place. In this case it's a commandment and children were explicitly pointed out by Christ as being too precious to allow abusers to go free.

I'll take my rigid values and morals and accept defeat in politics forever if that's what happens.

Still, Romney's "flexibility" on the issue didn't stop me from voting for him because Obama isn't even flexible from that side. He is willing to destroy the Catholic Church to enable women to have free abortions. That's evil and I'll always vote against evil.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 08:55 PM (SP4jC)

230 Samwise, even while admitting he was wrong, shows us he is better than us! What a great "American."

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:55 PM (opS9C)

231 You're not an intellectually honest person, you're a hack, and don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd


The irony, it burns!


Hey though, I thought Random got banned before. Not so?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 08:56 PM (QupBk)

232 As I mentioned in a comment in another thread, not only did we lose Hispanics 77-27, we lost Asians by pretty much the same margins. I don't know why this is, but I took my approximation of a first guess earlier.

I think you're wrong about the reason Asians went for Obama. I think it's actually a sort of reverse of what you said. Call it the "Tiger Mom" effect:

We've hit a point where we have a lot of third generation Asians here in the US. Their grandparents immigrated to the US and worked hard to establish themselves and provide a new life. Their parents worked as children, and were the first generation to go to college and had the work ethic to sacrifice to ensure a middle class life. The current generation is the product of that middle class upbringing, one that is predominantly based around blue coastal states. They've grown up steeped in liberalism as well as a culture where conformity is encouraged and status is important. Their childhood was less about working the family business and more about being pushed to check all the right blocks and have the right credentials to get into the right kind of school. These were the A students, the ones who were not only smart enough, but were focused enough and knew how to game the system to their advantage. Individualism and risk taking are not a large part of their identity.

Posted by: Alex at November 07, 2012 08:56 PM (HwgHt)

233 Is that the Random guy who was gay and hated Evangelicals because they oppose SSM?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 07, 2012 08:57 PM (VrVBw)

234
Some of this "body art" is plain ugly.
They're stuck with it forever. But people live for today, the heck with tomorrow. The whole atttitude of the young people today is...just plain ignorant. Posted by: Soothsayer

What they don't think about is someday that tattoo that said "Foxy Lady" is going to say "FXDY". Gravity. Google it kids!

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 08:57 PM (EAgmr)

235 Cheri-are you a nurse?
When do we have all the votes counted?
I blame parents of the young kids that voted for not teaching them true values, or they would have voted for Romney instead of TFG. I wonder how many of those younger voters are unemployed?
I am Catholic, single and voted for Romney and I always vote republican.

Posted by: CarolT at November 07, 2012 08:57 PM (z4WKX)

236 >>> I will never, ever, trust pundits again.

True, but apparently we can rely on the RCP average (49 states called right) and Nate Silver (50).

Also, David Axelrod and Stephanie Cutter when it comes to election predictions.

And if you recoil at that, well we certainly can't rely on ourselves, now can we?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:58 PM (SKX2R)

237 Their constituents don't care, because ideology trumps all.
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I don't think they don't care, or they are necessarily stupid even though they surely appear that way to us. I think they have blinders, almost an invisible shield, and they really do not perceive Obama and many Dem candidates the same way we do. Call it ideological blinders or a lack of perception, I dunno. But we (I) have to stop thinking they thing like us, and the arguments that appeal to us will work on them.

We have to outsmart them. We need better intel about how lefties thought and decision processes work. It makes some on our side feel good to say they're stupid, or just want freebies, or just vote on race, etc. And I'm sure there are some of those, but if we keep doing things the same way and don't try new approaches, we'll keep getting the same results.

Unless of course, there was massive fraud that explains the results.!

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 08:59 PM (F3s39)

238 83 percent of Americans are still working in one way or another, and for those funemployed, the MBM keeps telling us that we're still recovering, their boyfriend just needs more time.

When more time passes, their boyfriend is re-elected, and they're STILL no closer to a job, or those still employed get called in to that sudden "all hands meeting", then many of them will lose their HOPE.

Many conservatives are leftists who've been mugged by reality.

Reality is on its way. Hard

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 08:59 PM (wwsoB)

239 236

Oh, fuck off.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 08:59 PM (aSf5o)

240 Cause of course that's the only thing in their empty little heads.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 08:44 PM



That may be pretty sad, but they vote in large numbers (up from 20% of the electorate in 2008 to 23% in 2012). If Romney could have gotten anything like a 50/50 split with them, that probably his margin of victory by itself. Not to mention two Senate seats that should have been easy pickups.

Probably not a good idea for GOP candidates to to be spouting off about forcing them to bear their rapist's children and the evils of contraception.


Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 09:00 PM (hx/td)

241 >>> Is that the Random guy who was gay and hated Evangelicals because they oppose SSM?

I don't hate evangelicals, certainly not for that reason. I found Rick Perry's ad against gays in the military offensive though, since these particular gays just so happen to be putting their asses, no pun intended, on the line for me.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:00 PM (SKX2R)

242 ONT up now too

Posted by: Family Ties at November 07, 2012 09:00 PM (piMMO)

243 Call me heartless, but what does Sandy have to do with a presidential vote? Can someone explain that one to me?

Posted by: USA at November 07, 2012 09:00 PM (RIg+t)

244 2 trolls for the price of one. Great.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:01 PM (aSf5o)

245 I thought we were done with this election shit.


The only question is does this Allen guy have a blog?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at November 07, 2012 09:01 PM (wR+pz)

246 Is the Weather Channel going to name every low pressure system that goes over the Northeast from November to April now?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 09:01 PM (wwsoB)

247 "The time is ripe for the formation of a weather-based third party."

I'm voting Rasslin' Party in 2016.

Posted by: Scobface at November 07, 2012 09:01 PM (IoNBC)

248 two problems, i've always found with tattoos; they're permanent and get very ugly as you grow older. (blurred blotches by about 20-30 yo)

Second is that they are so expensive.

Where are people getting the money to do this. Sleeves and fronts and backs.

Might as well put a bone in your nose with a feather in your hooha.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 09:03 PM (SP4jC)

249 Random, you mean the gays in the military that knowing the policy about homosexuality still signed up just to prove a point about their lifestyle? And yes, we know about your flair for the "exotic"

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 07, 2012 09:03 PM (VrVBw)

250 243

They saw it on TeeVee, and everything on TeeVee is important. That's also where they saw Obama, the sexiest Marxist ever. So, 1+1=fuck you, America.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:03 PM (aSf5o)

251 One (of many) questions I ponder is how some people do not perceive Obama's true nature and character, and others do.

Don't question. Simply accept.

I could tell you stories about my family that you would swear I'd made up.

My father is a diabetic who eats cookies, ice cream, and pie every day, lies to his doctors about it, and then complains about his neuropathy and how he feels like shit all the time. If you tell him that as a diabetic he shouldn't be cramming his gob with sugar, he just stares at you blankly and then changes the subject.

My sister married a janitor who knocked her up two weeks after they met. They have three kids now, and he makes $19,000 a year. In SoCal. My parents have had to bail them out financially three times now, because bro-in-law likes to buy power tools and go to strip clubs.

My father says to me, "I don't understand why they keep doing this. Don't they have any sense?"

I now reply, "Have some ice cream and don't worry about it."

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 09:03 PM (SI/pw)

252 If you want to get into the thought processes of the leftist hordes, keep them as friends on Facebook

My lefty brother put up one of those stupid EE cartoons showing a woman punching herself in the face

"Women Who Vote Republican"

He got a lot of likes for that. That's when I doubted that things were going to go all that well for our side

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 09:04 PM (wwsoB)

253 >>> Call me heartless, but what does Sandy have to do with a presidential vote? Can someone explain that one to me?

People vary in how much thought vs emotion they put into decisions. Others come down further in the emotion range.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:05 PM (SKX2R)

254 52 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:21 PM (SKX2R)_________ Horse hockey. You are a dishonest troll.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 09:06 PM (opS9C)

255 Don't forget, Ace, that military ballots were not sent to out troops abroad on time. That would account for a huge percentage of non-votes.

Now, the fact that the Pentagon did nothing to assure our troops of their votes on time is a national disgrace. They put their lives on the line for us - and this is how we pay them back?

Posted by: theduchessofkitty at November 07, 2012 09:07 PM (NtsQB)

256 252

Propaganda is very efficacious. Especially on the stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:07 PM (aSf5o)

257 255

Reelecting Obama is more important. Priorities.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:08 PM (aSf5o)

258 OMG- You're gay? So am I. That's rich.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 09:08 PM (opS9C)

259 >>> Random, you mean the gays in the military that knowing the policy about homosexuality still signed up just to prove a point about their lifestyle?

I'm not saying they should have disobeyed their orders and not followed the policy. I'm saying that Perry ad was dumb, dumb, dumb and is one of the reasons he lost to Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:08 PM (SKX2R)

260 Don't question. Simply accept.

--

Oh, I do accept it even if I'm curious about it. It's just my nature to question things. Drove my ex husband a little crazy. <smiley face here if it would work>

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 09:08 PM (F3s39)

261 259

Oh, fuck off.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 07, 2012 09:09 PM (aSf5o)

262 The only way we could have possibly won is to go back to 1968 in Chicago and hang the new left from street lights with no drop.

And I see no way of coming back for a Generation barring some catastrophe like a Stock Market crash and that is iffy because slightly more than half the country thinks the Republican Party are a bunch of racists.

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2012 09:12 PM (MHk3m)

263 226 What put Obama over the top:

a D7%+GOTV

thats why .
our side was more energized, theirs was more organized and bigger

game my be permanently over.

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (40anC)

264 #167, one thing to consider is that when the country no longer has enough producers to support the moochers, the moochers will stop coming or leave for a riper host.

I don't think that the remaining hard working Americans which care about their property rights are going to stand around and let themselves be plundered. We might be now outnumbered at the ballot box, but I imagine there are other avenues of resistance namely going Galt.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at November 07, 2012 09:13 PM (KCvsd)

265 "Call me heartless, but what does Sandy have to do with a presidential vote?"

O got a chance to look "presidential" and received (for all intents and purposes) Chris Fucking Christie's effusive ("outstanding") endorsement.

I think at that precise moment when Sandy hit-- after the debates were done, on the brink of the election-- many Americans (and not just right-wingers like us) had actually come to gravely doubt Obama's adequacy as POTUS. In terms of competence, temperament, leadership, bipartisanship, ability to get anything done, for example. They were ready (at long last, after much resistance) to kick him out. And the Romney they saw from the first debate and on... looked like a promising new hire for the job.

But when Sandy hit and Christie endorsed Obama's "outstanding" POTUSing, all those people had an instant excuse to take the path of least resistance back. They didn't really want to fire Obama, first black POTUS-- and now, thank god, they didn't have to. See, they said to themselves: Obama's a perfectly fine, even "outstanding" POTUS: Chris Fucking Christie said so. Nothing to worry about. We can trust him to do an at least adequate job for another 4 years.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 09:14 PM (tUcg9)

266
Now, the fact that the Pentagon did nothing to assure our troops of their votes on time is a national disgrace. They put their lives on the line for us - and this is how we pay them back? Posted by: theduchessofkitt

Oh don't be so hard on them Duchess....they only have every 4 years to work this out and to ensure those ballots get sent. Corrupt bastards.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 09:14 PM (EAgmr)

267 Now, the fact that the Pentagon did nothing to assure our troops of their votes on time is a national disgrace.
--

You know, the military has a reputation for getting shit done, so I have to wonder if this was purposeful. Seems this is a repetitive problem.

I really wish I could wind back time to pre-2008, when I was relatively naive. I more or less trusted the government and the military and the integrity of our political systems. I want amnesia.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 09:18 PM (F3s39)

268
Posted by: I'm a girl at November 07, 2012 08:12 PM (zAD45)
"Can someone explain to me why social issues have ANY business at the
federal level? I don't recall anything in the US Constitution that gives
the federal government any jurisdiction over that type of thing. Am I
wrong?"

Because appearing to support factions wins elections. The enemies of my enemies are my friends. Vote for revenge and punishour enemies.
Does that ring a bell and sound about right?

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 07, 2012 09:18 PM (LCZ3l)

269 >>> I think at that precise moment when Sandy hit-- after the debates were done, on the brink of the election-- many Americans (and not just right-wingers like us) had actually come to gravely doubt Obama's adequacy as POTUS. In terms of competence, temperament, leadership, bipartisanship, ability to get anything done, for example. They were ready (at long last, after much resistance) to kick him out. And the Romney they saw from the first debate and on... looked like a promising new hire for the job.

>>> But when Sandy hit and Christie endorsed Obama's "outstanding" POTUSing, all those people had an instant excuse to take the path of least resistance back.

This.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:21 PM (SKX2R)

270 Now, the fact that the Pentagon did nothing to assure our troops of their votes on time is a national disgrace.




This entire goddamn administration is a national disgrace.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 09:22 PM (EmQa+)

271 Also, of course, many people fell for the "Sandy is proof of AGW" shit.

See Exhibit # 1: Bloomberg's Obama endorsement. So anyone who buys the AGW stuff (and unfortunately that probably includes the majority of Americans) had a compelling reason to vote for Obama.

Because, AGW causes hurricanes, and Obama's against that, or something.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (tUcg9)

272
"I'm saying that Perry ad was dumb, dumb, dumb and is one of the reasons he lost to Mitt Romney."

Actually it had nothing to do with Perry's losing the primary race. You and Greggy must hang out a lot or something.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 07, 2012 09:23 PM (VrVBw)

273 I wouldn't say I was a Pollyanna. To me, a Pollyanna is someone who is optimistic in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary. Most of the evidence this time, IMO, pointed to a relatively easy Romney win. From the demeanor or the candidates, the vast difference in crowd sizes at the rallies, the Ras and Gallup national numbers (especially party ID), the first debate wipeout, and of course, the SCOAMF'S miserable record. The list goes on. I'm curious to hear the behind-the-scenes stories from the Romney campaign.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 09:24 PM (yJYwC)

274 Look here's my thoughts. Obama bought this election with handouts. The social issues may have been a factor for a small number of dimwitted millennials but in the end it was the govt. check that gave it to O. I've been monitoring twitter for months and nearly every Obot cited govt. freebees as their reason for voting for him. Also, Obama pushed a massive number of student loans through in September. My neighbor was just approved for disability in Sept. Not a damn thing wrong with her accept a touch of arthritis in the knee. They just pushed her application through. Of course she is an Obama supporter. I'm sure this happened over and over with others as well.

Posted by: kim at November 07, 2012 09:25 PM (JSebC)

275 OK, I'm way late to the thread but here's why Mitt lost, accounting for those 3 million 'missing' votes:

The campaign made a strategic decision earlier on (like back in the summer) that they were going to go after the independents in certain counties in the key swing states, specifically Ohio and Virginia. Like, they spent ALL the money in the 4 Northern Virginia counties up until only 6 weeks ago, when they realized that after looking at the data, they had to get the base to turn out, and then decided to spend money in the red Virginia counties. Nor did campaign state hq actually have registered republican voter canvassing lists, or phone lists ready to go AND they did not want to issue them to the precinct captains who wanted to turn out their areas. They eventually relented, after heated words and emergency meetings.

One PC decided to disobey campaign orders and worked his district and guess what? Second highest turnout of all state precincts and his precinct managed to go from 53% turnout to nearly 69% GOP (87% all registered voters). This precinct captain has now been offered a job at the state level GOP.

Not to malign Romney personally, because he is a plainly decent guy whom I believe truly loves this country, but sometimes it boils down to decisions at these levels, which was replayed in Ohio, too.

Oh, and PA was a ruse. It was a head fake to get the dems to spend money there. PA was never in play. A good idea, and it had the left panicked about it.




Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 09:26 PM (20NzC)

276 Who didn't vote GOP this time vs. 2008?

By the numbers, it appears to be three groups

1. Those who feel the economy is good or excellent (23%) or that their personal financial situation is better (25%) or about the same (41%) than 4 years ago. I suppose this is some combination of those who blame Bush for the 2008 economic crisis, plus government and union workers and maybe some of the EBT/Obamaphone/free stuff crowd.

2. Hispanics (10%) and

3. Asians (3%)

Looks like the GOP does have a demographic problem, maybe insurmountable.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (hx/td)

277 I saw that article from ALlahpundit but he keeps quoting percentages. Percentages don't explain the dip in absolute numbers. Romney could have garnered the same percentage of Evangelical voters but the total was lower.

Posted by: mcg at November 07, 2012 09:27 PM (YCfVb)

278
OH I LOVE ME SOME MITT HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO'S ELECTABLES THE DEMOCRAPS TOLDME SO IT MUSS BE SO HERP DERP!
Keep slicing up those demographics and sucking off AllahPundit, Rove, Coulter, and other half-ass Republicans, then scratch your little pinheads in bewilderment while you continue to lose elections. Keep blaming THOSE RELOLIGIOUS NUTZ and their snake handling Jesus jabbering ways while your "fiscal" conservatism gets the fiscal portion taxed away.

Posted by: DUNNO WHY WE LOST DERP at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (ZZg4j)

279 As I mentioned in a comment in another thread, not only did we lose Hispanics 77-27, we lost Asians by pretty much the same margins. I don't know why this is, but I took my approximation of a first guess earlier.

It's called the Third World ganging up in their racist quest to destroy Western Civilization. How tough is that to figure out?

Revenge is their call. Revenge for them losing. Revenge for the West giving them all sorts of stuff out of our benevolence and making most of them feel bad that they still couldn't put together any really decent, free nations.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (X3lox)

280 If you want to get into the thought processes of the leftist hordes, keep them as friends on Facebook
Yeah, my blood pressure couldn't take it anymore with two friends from high school on Facebook.
I wonder if some of the missing3,000,000 were white blue collar types that the Obamasuppressive attacks on Bain and the Soptic sob story kept away from the polls.
I'm an Evangelical, and I knew reports that Christians were staying away from the polls was inaccurate.
As to The One's surprise victory, I know a building contractor whose employees were picked up by vans to go early vote. The Dems here mailed out palm cards to Dem voters with who to vote for right down to soil and water conservation reps. I can imagine this happening all over the country. I am pretty sure I read that Obama's machine had 5,100 field reps working this (with laptops in their homes). Republicans need a better ground game. They won by dragging everyone they could to the polls.

Posted by: niclun74 at November 07, 2012 09:30 PM (xq11A)

281 With the rising gas prices, fuel prices, people were hurting. I bet many succumbed to food stamps and now they are on the government crack, can't give it up.

Posted by: madamex at November 07, 2012 09:32 PM (+kvQd)

282 Derp is an apt nic.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 09:36 PM (QupBk)

283 The Government has Crack? I want some!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 09:36 PM (uvNSk)

284 "It's also the right thing to do because it's fucking immoral to racially discriminate against white people just because they are fucking white!"

In most school situations, whites get about the same treatment they'd get in a 100% fair regime.

It's Asians getting screwed.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 09:40 PM (oDtYC)

285
The lesson from last night? Transformational politics works.

Progressives and liberals have been underminingnational institutions for decades. Last night their efforts bore fruit. Conservatives better get off their asses and craft a long term strategy for retaking those institutions while simultaneously undermining liberal bastions of support. Occasionally winning elections and cutting taxes is not transformative and no longer enough.

A goodliberalbastion to begin our asssaultis the media and entertainment industry. It must be totally obliterated. In the name of deficit reduction, the House of Representatives should slapexcise taxes on movie ticket sales, CDs, DVDs, and online content. Any federal tax breaks for movie productions also need to be repealed. From a regulatory standpoint, online piracy enforcementshould also be defunded.

Just a few thoughts, some probably more plausible than others. Stilleach goesbeyond the usual crying and hand wringing about "unfair" the media and Hollywood is to conservatives.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at November 07, 2012 09:41 PM (ZETiK)

286 275, wow. I always thought that the real problem with Mitt's 47% comment was how he was fixated on that 4-6 percent in the middle. Seems like he focused there and to a degree ignored the base. The problem is that 4-6% tends to uninformed and floats to whoever they "like" or who they think will win because they tend to vote for that person. They think they're smart because they voted for the winner even that didn't vote at all.

Posted by: JBS at November 07, 2012 09:43 PM (lZE/o)

287 275, wow. I always thought that the real problem with Mitt's 47% comment was how he was fixated on that 4-6 percent in the middle. Seems like he focused there and to a degree ignored the base. The problem is that 4-6% tends to uninformed and floats to whoever they "like" or who they think will win because they tend to vote for that person. They think they're smart because they voted for the winner even they didn't think at all.

Posted by: JBS at November 07, 2012 09:44 PM (lZE/o)

288 285 The lesson from last night? Transformational politics works.

Progressives and liberals have been underminingnational institutions for decades. Last night their efforts bore fruit. Conservatives better get off their asses and craft a long term strategy for retaking those institutions while simultaneously undermining liberal bastions of support. Occasionally winning elections and cutting taxes is not transformative and no longer enough.

A goodliberalbastion to begin our asssaultis the media and entertainment industry. It must be totally obliterated.
-
Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts!

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 09:53 PM (VdBjo)

289 287 That may have played a part of it, but could have been overcome, too. When it comes to nuts and bolts of how to run a campaign, it seems as though critical errors could not have been overcome.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 09:54 PM (20NzC)

290
Posted by: DUNNO WHY WE LOST DERP at November 07, 2012 09:29 PM (ZZg4j)
Derp,believe it or not,Democrats go to church too.
Some of those churches actually let people be human beings be human and think God forgives them and stuff.
The first Christian even said something about governance religion, and that guy could have been King of the World right then and there... something like give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and give unto God that which is God's.
Segues easily into abortion, doesn't it?Fetuses mayhave souls, but aborted babies go straight to heaven, don't you think?The question, which no one can definitively answer, is whether or not they are people until they are physically born.I suggest we quit fussing about Roe v Wade, Democrats will use it every election. And when it is so skinny that people think Evangelicals could have won it for the GOP, that means every vote counts. Millions of women vote based on abortion. Like it or not, they do. And they'll show up vote Democrat until they are a hundred and forty if they have to. It is as if it is their life'spurpose or something. Twisted, I know.

Segues into a lot of things. The point of all is that Obama and his machine have mastered the art of faction building. The enemies (insert special interest group here) of their enemy (the GOP) is their friend. "When vote for revenge and punish our enemies"is not only an acceptable undertone to a campaign for the Presidency of the United States, but a vote winning slogan, look out.
Mark 13:37 -
"And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 07, 2012 09:55 PM (LCZ3l)

291 If the Republicans drop their opposition to abortion and gay marriage, is there any data to suggest they would make up the lost evangelical votes by gaining libertarians and the squishies in the middle?

My experience is that the squishies are really just Democrats who are too lazy to inform themselves. I have no idea how many libertarians are out there who would vote Republican who don't already.

Posted by: mozam at November 07, 2012 09:55 PM (A5oSi)

292 How do we win when any state that has some 15 to 25 black and Hispanic vote uniformly for democrats, but states that would blance that out, white states democrats are using social issues, the media to convice then they can only vote democrat........

If republican were as ruthless as democrats to race bate, whites,,,, for the last 20 years to vote white , this minority vote wouldn't a existenial problem, Ohio,80% , Pennslavia , 80% Minnesota Wisconsin, Maine, New Hampshire 90% Massachusetts 75%, .and others... All over 75% .... But dems get them,,,,, and any state with minority populations going dem, Because they use tribal politics..
Texas is next.


Whites are letting themselves be used until, the 25 year young generation comes of age, which is even more Hispanic majority minorty, then total a domination... Probabely never see a white a president agin

Posted by: Sam at November 07, 2012 10:00 PM (FWINB)

293 FRAUD

One day you will count the votes and find out that they stuffed ballot boxes


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 07, 2012 10:01 PM (ovpNn)

294 BREAKING!

Chris Cristie Chokes to death...






wait for it





On an Obama Cock Sandwich!

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 07, 2012 10:02 PM (ovpNn)

295
Posted by: mozam at November 07, 2012 09:55 PM (A5oSi)

My acquanintences vote Republican andare for legalization of marijuana, okay with gay "marriage" or whatever the fuck people decide to call it and abortion.
This year a couple voted Libertarian and another wrote in Ron Paul. We lost 3 out of ~ 30 to third parties. They stick to straight GOP tickets even though they completely disagree with the stances against abortion, pot and gay marriage.
So there's that. Not sure what it adds up to, but my gut says it is a massive amount of people.
Fiscal conservative social liberialism. What I gather to be the Tea Party. No wonder the GOP hijacked it and the Left demonized it...

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 07, 2012 10:12 PM (LCZ3l)

296 Fiscal conservative social liberialism. What I gather to be the Tea Party.

That's not what the Tea party is. The Tea Party is about Constitutionalism, first and foremost, which means that you would think Roe is an awful decision that must be overturned, whatever your view of abortion is.

No wonder the GOP hijacked it and the Left demonized it...

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 07, 2012 10:12 PM (LCZ3l)


The GOP didn't hijack the Tea Party. They beat it into the ground (which is probably a good part of the loss yesterday). The Left certainly demonized the Tea Party and the GOP basically agreed with them - worried about all the violent Tea Partiers while not saying a word about the truly violent, repulsive, and disgusting Occupoopers that the Weeping Boner had to come and say he "understood". The Occupoopers didn't even understand themselves, but the Weeping Boner did.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 10:17 PM (X3lox)

297 would Rubio as vp nominee have changed anything

Posted by: Avi at November 07, 2012 10:19 PM (40anC)

298 Hidajunshinette's (#275) explanation is perhaps the most reasonable explanation for why R/R shit the bed on Tuesday night. Romney figuring the base was in the bag, and focusing on independents may have been the fatal error for the campaign. In one sense this is good news for 2014 and 2016, because it is a fixable problem, and not demographic destiny (yet).

Hidajunshinette, I saw some anecdotal accounts that the Project ORCA app crashed on Tuesday, and that (some? Many?) poll watchers had to resort to using paper strike lists. Were problems with Orca a a factor in the loss?

Posted by: Stirner at November 07, 2012 10:20 PM (Ytuz8)

299
Maybe I misunderstood what little I could find as far as any official platform for the TeaParty, but individual freedom and individual responsibility comes to mind. Sort of do what you want, just don't make other people pay for it. And don't kill or abuse others in the process. Pretty simple and easy to follow rules.

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 07, 2012 10:20 PM (LCZ3l)

300 "Here's the thing: It's like people today either don't understand or don't care or cannot fathom the permanent nature of a tattoo."

Just like they don't understand or can't fathom the permanent effects voting for the JEF will have on their lives.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 07, 2012 10:24 PM (7OHl8)

301 No, you're right--the christians cost you the election because there's nothing you can fight back against the "abortion is fun" line with.

Posted by: dr kermit gosnell at November 07, 2012 10:27 PM (nkiQM)

302 who gives a fuck about Asians?

I'm fuckin' Indian, FWIW. I pretty much hate the fuck out of all my Indian friends. All that humanist man of the world garbage. Such fuckin' reeetards.

Word of advice (white people) -- teach free market capitalism to your kids in grade school! Go to your kid's schools, find out who their teachers are, and what they're teaching. And you lean on their ass if they start talking anything that sounds remotely like socialist heal the planet bull crap. Go to your PTA meetings, raise hell, and get people fired. Maybe the little ones can redeem this socialist shithole 20 years from now.

BHO -- You're messin' with my money now...

Posted by: sunnyblack at November 07, 2012 10:29 PM (0LX7P)

303
As far as Roe goes, the crux of it is determining when a conceived fetus officially an American Citizen.
My Bible give me faith and my faith is that they have souls. But when are they people?
My faith is also that aborted babies die in Grace (however painful and awful it is and however cold the abortion may be) and are shoe-ins for eternal life with the Father. Whether their "hosts" give a shit about any of that or not.
Abortion is a non issue to me. I don't offer to adopt any of them. I haven't started a foundation that provides EXCELLENT homes for children that would otherwise have been aborted (and, in my belief, gone to heaven without going through all the shit they would + death in order to maybe get there).

If you are an official Tea Party representative - is there such a thing? - are they really all about overturning Roe, and if so, what solutions do they offer?
Funny how the loudest voices for overturning Roe don't have 30+ adopted children that were adopted in lieu of abortion.
There are Catholics that fervently proselytize Catholicism that are pro choice politically, counsel pro life personally. Look at Biden and Pelosi. No one is calling them hellbound scumbags. Making an issue like abortion an official platform that all must adhere to, in politics no less, pushes people away. And it scares women that are pro choice into simply voting against the GOP time after time. Why would the Tea Party carry THAT torch over all the other things that cross party lines?

Posted by: i like anchors 2012 at November 07, 2012 10:39 PM (LCZ3l)

304 Asians? I think we have to look at this in the British term "Asians". I think if you had the breakdown, you'd find much of the D votewas in Michigan. Dearborn and surrounds, and a few other areas. The media ran a picture of Vietnamese in LA suburbs (Orange County). I dated a Vietnamese woman for several years and got to know their community a bit. They all vote Republican, if they vote. They associate the Dems with Communists. Asians means Muslims here, at least on the D side.

Posted by: Landru at November 07, 2012 10:53 PM (gaP+R)

305 298 I haven't heard anything about the ORCA crash affecting the lists. If there was, it was negligible.

Yes, it is a fixable problem, and encouraging, but it doesn't change the fact that America's demographics have changed--and it's the fault of the GOP for over a decade for that shift. Now we have to deal with it.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 11:01 PM (20NzC)

306 or the votes that were stolen

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 11:11 PM (Z3ckx)

307
Romneycare.......that is what is to blame, it's a simple as that.
The GOP establishment and their blogger cronies pushed Romneycare on us and he was exactly what he was, a suburban metrosexual quasi-liberal, big government republican.
I bet you anything that the suburban quasi-liberal, big government republicans turned out in force to vote for him or Obama.
I bet you anything that the rural and the suburban conservative, small government republicans who hate what Massachusetts stands for, did not turn out to vote.
In our area, it was Romneycare. No one wanted to vote for Obama but they didn't want to vote for Romney either, they just didn't vote.
If you bloggers and GOP establishment types keep throwing these left wing nominees on us that actually aren't much different than the Dem nominee, there won't be much enthusiasm to turn out to vote....
That means two things: Christie better not run next time, and Rand Paul and Sarah Palin, better run.

Posted by: doug at November 07, 2012 11:12 PM (uJ8q7)

308 I asked this earlier today, and I ask it again: What the hell do people think Obama actually DID regarding the hurricane, besides getting a photo-op (boy, is he ever good at those!) and getting fellated by FatFuck (I refuse to call him by his name now)?

Posted by: Bostonpat at November 07, 2012 11:20 PM (lejgy)

309 Asians vote in a bloc for the same reason all minority groups do. Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, you name it. It's a survival strategy for minority populations, often unconscious, but quite naturally arrived at. There is very little you can do about it. Look at the Jews, for whom the GOP would be a natural home considering how anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian the Democrats have become and how pro-Israel/anti-Palestinian much of the GOP is. Their support for the Dems defies reason. The same goes for blacks, who are taken for granted by their Democrat masters (even Obama). Meanwhile it really WAS the GOP behind the Civil Rights Act. Hell the GOP is the one that's origniallyformed for one purpose: Abolition, and faught the most destructive war in US history over it. GOP strategists scratch their heads wondering why they fare so poorly with Latinos, who seem like such a natural constituency based on shared values. Nope. Not going to get Hispanics, nor Jews, nor Asians, nor any other significant group of bloc voters easily. Pardigm shifts have to occur. This happened with blacks, who used to be solidly GOP until about the 1950's. Then, boom, they all left very quickly for the Democrats, moving as a bloc. When the shifts like this come, no telling when or even why, the GOP will peel them off quickly, as they move in bloc fashion across the aisle. Hope to see such a move sometime in my lifetime.

Posted by: Cowboy at November 07, 2012 11:34 PM (lBDVE)

310 The GOP have no one but themselves to blame for when it comes to illegal immigration. Reagan granted amnesty. Bush 41 did nothing. I really thought after 9/11 Bush 43 would at least secure the borders, nope.

Big business loves cheap labor and the GOP is the party of big business. As long as the GOP is bribed in the form of campaign donations, nothing will happen. They never dared to talk of deporting illegals for fear of losing the Hispanic vote.

This has been going on for over 30 years and now we are reaching the point of no return. Way to go GOP, enjoy minority status.

Posted by: skilaki at November 07, 2012 11:54 PM (CFOVo)

311
Check out Drudge's headline about the Old Miss demonstration and click the link to the article. Notice the bias of the writer.
I love the burning of the poster. This is the type of demonstrations that our side should foster, for 4 years, and damage the dem brand for a decade.
We should bus people to the MA statehouse and yell and scream "How did you elect a liar, an academic who knows nothing of the real world in place of Brown, a common sense guy. HOW?????? Block their streets.
Silly? It's what they would do....and they would be successful as they were in destroying the GOP brand with Bush.
Maybe we should hire kids to demonstrate. That's what the left does.

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 11:55 PM (wgmUB)

312
Okay, we should carry posters of JFK labeled, "John F. Kennedy, far right winger, Tea Partier."

That might get it in the heads of some. Then be ready to blast any Kennedy that argued otherwise.

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 11:57 PM (wgmUB)

313
"And. Well.

"He's..... you know."

Is he gay? Not joking here, just wondering if that's what you meant.

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 11:59 PM (wgmUB)

314 Cowboy - it's possible that when you complain about how minorites vote - and suggest that Black voters "just do what their masters tell them to do" --you MIGHT be missing the point. Maybe, just maybe, that is offensive to said voter and that is why they wouldn't vote for a white rightie, like, ever. Just sayin.

Posted by: upyerstbaggers at November 08, 2012 12:00 AM (4Uj6e)

315
I have never liked Bill O'Reilly but on Wednesdays, I like to watch Dennis Miller and I like Bernie Goldberg too.
However, Bill's an ass, and he wasn't all that much a Romney guy because he thought Romney should come on his show. Yeah, right, Bill, as if he could win new votes from appearing on Fox.
I go crazy when Bill tells people that if coulda interviewed someone, he'd ask the really tough questions.....yeah, like he did in 08 when he was just any other interviewer when he "got" Barry once. That was the highlight of his life and....I have sworn off O'Reilly. Haven't watched him in weeks. Hope to not watch him at all. I'll miss Dennis, who stumped for Mitt, and said he was one of the most decent men he'd ever met, something I hear from a lot of people who know him.

Posted by: gayle at November 08, 2012 12:04 AM (wgmUB)

316
#72====" I'm tempted the next time I'm at a restaurant where it appears that my waiter may be an Obama supporter to write Obama on the tip line.
Posted by: polynikes at November 07, 2012 08:25 PM (AiZkN)

or hand out a card saying Obama taxed your tip
_______________________________________________________
Great ideas!

Posted by: gayle at November 08, 2012 12:07 AM (wgmUB)

317 Where did the voters go, in spite of all eyewitnesses in OHIo and Fla saying the GOP precincts were packed? I hate conspiracies, but until the pollsters find these people, I recall that these battleground states used electronic machines.

Posted by: gayle at November 08, 2012 12:10 AM (wgmUB)

318
Being from an ignored state, I understand why many people from solidly blue and solidly red states might not have gone to the polls. Could this be from where Mitt lost the 2 million votes that McCain had?
It's true that when you live in a Far West state that doesn't border a toss-up state, you might not even know an election is taking place unless you are a news junkie.

Posted by: gayle at November 08, 2012 12:17 AM (wgmUB)

319 look, minorities are told day in day out over and over again that white people hate them. they are also told over and over again that republicans are racist bigot homophobes that just "hate." the democrats have done a great job of branding. when i talked to democrat friends of mine, they were filled with visceral hatred for romney. that actually thought he was this evil person that was cold, heartless, mean, and a big liar. this is so bizarre to me, but then again, this what they have been told. i fully believe that the first time many of these people saw the debates was the first time that they saw mitt romney. the republican party has been branded as a hate group, and this branding has been completely UNCHALLENGED by the republican party. romney was defined as a corporate raider that lied about his taxes, and this stuck. mitt did NOTHING to challenge that depiction, and hence, a huge loss. the democrats can only win by lying and using nasty smear tactics to malign their opponent. that is the only way they can win. they can't win on ideas. republicans need to wake up to the fact that the dems will do ANYTHING to get and maintain power. the ends justifies the means, and they lied and smeared a very decent man in the worst way - twice - mcain and now romney. we need a fighter to run against them...not a country club nice guy with manners.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 08, 2012 12:25 AM (2/oBD)

320 You would have thought the GOP would have learned after 2008 that they needed to play tough and dirty when it comes to politics. I guess it should not be a surprise that they did not learn. Again they wanted to be seen as nice and taking the high road and then they wonder why they lost.

This election should have been a slam dunk and Romney and the GOP blew it. When will they ever learn?

Posted by: skilaki at November 08, 2012 12:29 AM (CFOVo)

321
god almighty. reading the comments has made heartily sick of all the handwringing and second guessing and post-election whining.
some of you are now suggesting that Paul Ryan was a bad choice for VP because he is caucasian. bullshit. Ryan is young, brilliant, and willing to take on the hard issues-such as entitlement reform- which has to be done. Ryan is terrific and is one of the reasons I am proud to be a Republican and have hope for the future. The idiot Dems have no one even remotely close to his quality.
and quit this unfavorable comparison of Romney to McCain because there was a greater turnout in 2008. I remember 2008, do you? McCain was terrrible:"My friends, I have a plan." Geesh. Romney was by far the more impressive candidate, whether compared to McCain in 2008 or Obama in 2012. This country will soon come to regret that he didn't win the White House.
and, really, why waste a breath on bemoaning the blacks, hispanics, asians, twenty-somethings, and other demographic groupswho went for Obama. do you really think the Republicans should pander to those nitwits? And I mean nitwits. Dems are panderers. We should welcome anyone into the light, but do you really want the GOP to stoop to the level of the Jackasses? They are just execrable from top to bottom.(and the one really decent Dem of recent vintage,Bob Kerrey, lost his race)We are hardly on life support as a political party. I know most of you are down, not to mention shocked that the good guys didn't do better on Tuesday, but get over it.What goes around comes around. I hate to say it, but this country is heading towards disaster with four more years ofObama and the idiot Leftflexing their flabby muscles from the White House. When the economic shit really hits the fan, voters won't be looking to the whinging idiots of the Leftfor answers. They have none. Young GOP stalwarts like Ryan,/Rubio, Jindal,Sean Duffy, Kelly Ayotte etc. do.
In the aftermath of Tuesday, the helpful tools of the Left-as well as some misguided conservatives were suggesting that the GOP neede to go back to the drawing board. Fuck that. I've heard that story before. We need to get serious about some of our senate candidates and maybe get some younger blood into congressional leadership positions. But its the Dems that need to get fixed. Look what they've done to Detroit, California et. al. Look at the idiot goons they keep electing to office, e,g.,Alan Grayson, Alcee Hastings, Jesse Jackson.Jr., Harry Reid, Pelosi, any Kennedy, etc. And look at their truly awful values and the shitty issues that are tied around their necks like rotten meat,e.g.,late term abortions, free stuff. Look at the oafish, nonproductive nitwits that constitute their base and to whose worthless mercies the Dems are well and truly dependent. Compared to those creeps, the GOP is gold..


Posted by: jackson_murrell at November 08, 2012 01:11 AM (tL2Qr)

322 So, samdumb is random and gay and jimi ray is a guy and gay and both are manic trolls.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 08, 2012 01:38 AM (C4dFv)

323 "It's possible Mitt won the national popular vote..."

Doesn't mean a thing.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 08, 2012 01:49 AM (F3HO3)

324 "has anyone else noticed the explosion of this tattoo phenomenon? in the last 5 years EVERYONE got at least one tattoo if not 3 tattoos"

Tribalism. Where we are headed. Back 20,000 years. Seriously, nationhood is dying. Borders are useless. We can't protect them. The enemy is inside already, and building enclaves where they fight for cultural supremacy and change the laws to suit themselves.

Secession. De-federalisation won't happen because the Left wants one big happy slum.

"I really wish I could wind back time to pre-2008, when I was relatively naive. I more or less trusted the government and the military and the integrity of our political systems. I want amnesia."

"So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we can do is decide what to do with the time given to us."

Tolkien knew a thing or two.

Posted by: spotted reptile at November 08, 2012 01:55 AM (OFIz8)

325 No, the reason Asians went against us is two-fold.

Most EAST Asians (Chinese, Korean, Japanese) live either in Hawaii or the Left Coast. They live in leftist areas so they naturally vote like leftists.

The "other" Asians are largely Muslim (Pakistanis, Arabs, etc.). It's only natural that these folks would vote for some guy named Barack Hussein Obama over some white dude named Mitt Romney.

And also, Asians tend to go to college (even more than whites, I believe), and our colleges have become Marxist indoctrination centers. That isn't exactly helpful, either.

Posted by: RJ at November 08, 2012 02:27 AM (QTVh2)

326 220. Their constituents don't care, because ideology trumps all.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 08:53 PM (SI/pw)


What ideology?
Their constituents don't care, because free gravy trumps all.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 08, 2012 04:23 AM (cyrh6)

327 For possible way out of this mess, read F. Paul Wilson's An Enemy of the State. http://tinyurl.com/39n6y5

The U.S. govt. debt per individual amounts to about 53000 or so and TFG's trillion dollar deficits will continue through his term, then debt per capita will be about 66000 or so in 2016.

What the Repubs in Congress need to do then is protect their constituencies by borrowing and spending through tax cuts instead of increasing taxes. Productive individuals can more easily deal with inflation than the incipient depression caused by massive tax hikes and govt. spending hikes.

Right now, we can see what so-called austerity looks like in Spain with tax hikes and no spending cuts--Voila 25% unemployment and by an allegedly conservative govt no less. No regime appears able to simply cut govt. spending in Europe instead of hiking taxes.

I am now convinced after this election that default will occur. To avoid destroying liberty and productivity like Peronism did to Argentina, Repubs need to focus on protecting their constituents--businesses that produce real products, intact families with children, the military, etc. Give the Dem's what concessions on food stamps etc. necessary to keep taxes low during the interim. Only tax increases that Repubs should favor must hit the wealthy Dem constituencies. E.g. tax municipal and state bond interest, tax the entertainment industry, etc.

In Wilson's book, he discloses the key flaw in the welfare state is that using fiat money that has no intrinsic value ultimately ends in that money being worthless. That money is what buys the loyalty of clienteles for the welfare state. His revolutionary character (sci fi future world) destroys a welfare state by causing its currency to crash but on the terms favorable to a restoration of liberty. In essence, Wilson postulates that by bringing the fiat money rapidly to its real value which is zero will cause everyone bought with government money to view government as inimical to their interests. Real value doesn't disappear--for example food. fuel, etc. is still needed and has value while money won't. Thus, govt workers, those depending on handouts, etc. will find their income becoming worthless.

A surprise crash is much more favorable to the prepared than a long slow debasement which strangles the productive economic players ala Rand. See Reinhart and Rogoff for historical analysis of economic defaults. BTW, the Weekly Standard link below does not include state and local debt nor contingent liabilities such as pensions.

source http://tinyurl.com/ab6kj74

Posted by: wg at November 08, 2012 10:20 AM (2Ha9j)

328 You can't dismiss the anti-Mormon bias issue so easily. In the weeks leading up to the election, I spoke to at least ten friends or aquaintances who said flat-out that they would not vote for a Mormon for president. Every one of them used the word "cult" in the conversation. NONE of these people were Evangelicals - they were all non-religious people. So the idea that only Evangelicals wouldn't vote for Romney because he was a Mormon is overly simplistic. In June 2012, Gallop found that 18 percent of registered voters (24% D, 18% I, and 10% R)reported they would not vote for a Mormon - anti-Mormon bias was higherwith independents and Democrats - which are presumablyLESS Evangelical - than with Republicans, who are presumably moreso. Using Evangelical turnoutin this election as a proxy to determine whether anti-Mormon bias effected the results is a useless proposition if anti-Mormon bias is spead across the population, and skewed toward the center-left and not toward the right, as the data indicates it is. If Romney lost just 10 percent of his potential vote due to bias - a small estimate given the Gallop data - his vote without that bias would have been 64.2 million given the current vote totals. Not only does anti-Mormon bias fit the numbers we currently have, it fits them better than any other explanation I've seen.

Posted by: DanM at November 08, 2012 02:09 PM (Njg86)

329 What if the whole election was swung by a random Black Swan event which had nothing to do with anything that was being debated throughout the past two years?

Yep. I do think the Black Swan effect here was enough to push this election-- a narrow one-- one way rather than the other. The two black swans this election (though the first might not quite fit the "black swan" designation) were

Akin
Sandy

But in both cases, the black swan event had a follow-up or accompaniment which is what gave it political resonance when it counted, made the political effect stick on election day. The killer combos were

Akin + Mourdock
Sandy + Christie

It's what Christie did that made Sandy politically consequential. If Christie had not acted the way he did-- without the over-the-top praise for Obama-- Sandy would have have nowhere near the political consequences that it did.

Posted by: lael at November 08, 2012 03:43 PM (tUcg9)

330 It just sucks

Posted by: Jason at November 08, 2012 11:53 PM (CP7rP)

331 'The "other" Asians are largely Muslim (Pakistanis, Arabs, etc.). It's only natural that these folks would vote for some guy named Barack Hussein Obama over some white dude named Mitt Romney. '

Arabs voted largely for the GOP prior to 2004. I wonder why is that?

"What is wrong with my fellow millennials. My god we are all idiots, we need someone my age to write a book like what's a matter with Kansas."

Generation Y is mad as fuck at the Boomers for causing this entire mess in the first place. Future elections will be generational battles. The GOP needs to learn how to appeal to the young or they had better get the fuck out of the way.

Posted by: Silenus at November 09, 2012 12:26 AM (fEpBa)

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