Oh This'll Just Be Splendid: Obama May Levy Carbon Tax To Reduce Debt, Says Bank Holding Company HSBC

Happy Days are here again!

Barack Obama may consider introducing a tax on carbon emissions to help cut the U.S. budget deficit after winning a second term as president, according to HSBC Holdings Plc.

A tax starting at $20 a metric ton of carbon dioxide equivalent and rising at about 6 percent a year could raise $154 billion by 2021, Nick Robins, an analyst at the bank in London, said today in an e-mailed research note, citing Congressional Research Service estimates. “Applied to the Congressional Budget Office’s 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022,” Robins said.

Electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket.

Posted by: Ace at 04:37 PM



Comments

1 firstr

Posted by: mallfly at November 07, 2012 04:37 PM (bJm7W)

2 Let the foolishness commence!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 04:38 PM (jucos)

3 It begins.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 07, 2012 04:39 PM (UOM48)

4 Don't worry the "green economy" will save us. See Solyndra. And imagine how many more of those will get our tax dollars now

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 04:39 PM (1Jaio)

5 Well, that didn't take long.

Posted by: Evil Otto at November 07, 2012 04:39 PM (VPMjy)

6
Does my Free Shit include Utility Bill Relief?

Posted by: UpWithSheeple! at November 07, 2012 04:39 PM (uEm7J)

7 Let It Burn!

Posted by: Jimmy at November 07, 2012 04:39 PM (vidCg)

8 and I already saw this somewhere. Just what we need while we're having a blizzard here in NY -- higher fuel prices.

It's like waking up from a nightmare, only to realize you're still in a nightmare.


Posted by: mallfly at November 07, 2012 04:39 PM (bJm7W)

9 Ahem. Did anyone *not* know he would do this?

Posted by: JustARegularAmerican at November 07, 2012 04:40 PM (zAD45)

10 I'm in the market for a lil' windmill to mount on the roof of my car. That'll power it, won't it?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 07, 2012 04:40 PM (UOM48)

11 and here I thought all tax bills had to start in the House.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 07, 2012 04:40 PM (2zM0P)

12 I don't know about any of you, but I'm up for reforming and hitting them
again. Debt ceiling and fiscal cliff coming up shortly. Won't and
can't be about personalities this time. It'll be about math, human
nature, and the perils of government intrusion in our lives.



And I am ready to wipe to floor up with my fellow 18-29 cohort that is wildly unprepared for this.

Posted by: Aaron at November 07, 2012 04:40 PM (Tlix5)

13 ANY CHANCE AT ALL of replacing Boehner? Maybe with Paul Ryan or Allen West?

Posted by: parteagirl at November 07, 2012 04:40 PM (Aadvb)

14 That should kill whatever's left of our economy.

Oh, and by the way, Boehner's willing to discuss it. http://tinyurl.com/b7op6v5

Posted by: Socratease at November 07, 2012 04:40 PM (iVBDH)

15 But, HE'S TEH AWESOME!!!!!!

STILL not ONE word about cutting SPENDING!!!!!


We need more money in order to continue to spend every penny the WORLD has.


This sucks.....and isn't going to get any better any time soon.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:41 PM (UK9cE)

16 The first cocksucker that says "this isn't the hill" for the GOP congress to die on gets punched right in the dick licker. Repeatedly.

Posted by: DanInMN at November 07, 2012 04:41 PM (khf9A)

17 The media will cream their pants if he proposes this. He will truly be a god in their eyes. Congress would never let this through, but it would make Obama look godd, and the Dems can blame Republicans, so its a win-win. Cynical and stupid.

Posted by: Tom at November 07, 2012 04:41 PM (mbfn/)

18 In nine years this might raise $154B per year? And that's supposed to help the deficit? What?

Posted by: Fred at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (ItCyz)

19 Has to be introduced in the house, yes? At least pass through it.

The Senate will have to attach it to another bill.

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (84pE9)

20 I moved 5 minutes from my workplace, in large part because of this man. So I am prepared....as long as I keep my job. that is.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (UvR6d)

21 Yup...way to encourage stuff to be built here. Sheesh.

Not only will labor be cheaper in China but so will air.

Posted by: MMW at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (kt/h1)

22 I assume he will do this be executive fiat. Let him. This is kind of like total war in reverse. The country really needs to feel the pain ofliberal policies. So let's have them.

Posted by: SH at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (gmeXX)

23

"Electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket."


... as will interest in the Tea Party.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (rlWf0)

24 Hey, they gotta get the money from somewhere! This is a good start. /sarc

Posted by: Navybrat at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (2x+V2)

25 “Cap-and-trade has been demonized” and Obama probably
won’t seek to install such a program in his second term, Richard Sandor, founder of the world’s biggest carbon trading exchange
in Europe, said today at the presentation in London of his book
titled Good Derivatives.

New carbon trading programs in California, China and Brazil
may encourage U.S. lawmakers to introduce greenhouse gas trading
by about 2020, Sandor said.
“We’ve lost our moral authority in the U.S.,” he said.
“You haven’t here in Europe.”







Moral authority. Those damn social cons forcing people how to live.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (1Jaio)

26 6

Does my Free Shit include Utility Bill Relief?

Posted by: UpWithSheeple! at November 07, 2012 04:39 PM (uEm7J)

Let me introduce myself!

Posted by: LIHEAP at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (kzCIn)

27 You don't have to be a member of the house to be speaker. If Allen West looses his recount, let's push for him to be speaker.

Posted by: parteagirl at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (Aadvb)

28 So in CA, companies will have to deal with the Cap-and-Trade regulation and fees and a federal level carbont tax?

Posted by: IC at November 07, 2012 04:43 PM (a0IVu)

29 The House will hold the line against this. Seriously.

Stop laughing, they will.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 04:43 PM (QupBk)

30 As I read it, this is just some boffin at a UK carbon-clearing house getting his name in the paper. Not that SCoaMF wouldn't like the tax money, but this is just vaporware.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at November 07, 2012 04:43 PM (DLu2s)

31 and here I thought all tax bills had to start in the House.

That's so old school.

Posted by: The Dinosaurs at November 07, 2012 04:43 PM (wAQA5)

32 So, plugging in your Volt just necessarily skyrocketed?

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:43 PM (84pE9)

33 good. i intend to write all my representatives and demand that this idea be passed forthwith.

i want these fucks and all the squishes who couldn't be bothered to vote to get it good and hard. i'll live through the tough times, but i want them to suffer and die by the bushel .

fuck them all.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 07, 2012 04:43 PM (8MasJ)

34 So. Per the EPA, an annual average of 5.1 MT per passenger vehicle @ $20/MT...

http://tinyurl.com/c5w5gbs

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 07, 2012 04:43 PM (0Db2g)

35 That's a good start, but we need to raise taxes a lot more to cover all the spending the American people desire.

Hello, national sales tax!

Posted by: Sugar Fatty at November 07, 2012 04:43 PM (EX+sq)

36 #13 - I just don't have the heart to tell you...

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (UvR6d)

37 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (/eBe8)

38 What an innovative sack of shit! Look at Europe. Do what they do.


Posted by: Dang at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (R18D0)

39 I've been wondering for the last few years why everyone has all of a sudden been obsessed with zombie movies, books, and TV shows. I think I just realized why.

The zombies are here guys. They are your neighbors. They want your brains and your wallets and there are more of them than there are of us.

Posted by: supercore23 at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (bwV72)

40 This is just the start. Combine that with tax increases, Obamacare kicking in more environmental regulations, the bank regulations kicking in we can look forward to another crash soon.

Posted by: robtr at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (rTgOf)

41 ANY CHANCE AT ALL of replacing Boehner? Maybe with Paul Ryan or Allen West?

Posted by: parteagirl at November 07, 2012 04:40 PM (Aadvb)


Well not Allen West, unfortunately. He lost his re-election bid.

Posted by: CharlieSays at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (2aJHq)

42
How many jobs would it destroy?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (jUytm)

43 The faster the better. Bring it down!

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (J4gw3)

44
Wait until the laws requiring you to fart in the direction of the windmills pass...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (AC0lD)

45 The American people have voted for poison and it looks like we'll all have to drink. I feel like I'm trapped in Jonestown.

Posted by: Motorhead at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (qAMin)

46 Parlez vous francais?

Vous des bonez.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (PHb2k)

47
Obama spends it forst, then squeeze it out in the most pc fashion. We will pay - one way or the other.

Why can't hollywood pay for it?

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (O7ksG)

48 #13 - I just don't have the heart to tell you...

Posted by: Dave S.


Was thinking the same thing.

Posted by: Dang at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (R18D0)

49 >>We need more money in order to continue to spend every penny the WORLD has.

The magical thing about debt is that you can spend every penny in the world more than once.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (SDkq3)

50
... as will interest in the Tea Party.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (rlWf0)


Won't happen. GOP is waging proxy wars with the Tea Party and won't let it thrive. They'll be OUT on their asses if that happens.

Nancy's right. The Tea Party is dead.......or at least on life support.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (UK9cE)

51
"154 billion by 2021."

Obama will spend thatmuch before December.

Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (Ho3p+)

52 have I mentioned my hope that Texas Secedes from the Union?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (/eBe8)

53 10
I'm in the market for a lil' windmill to mount on the roof of my car. That'll power it, won't it?


As long as the car is moving, your gold!

Posted by: Bruce at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (z4eur)

54 Who needs electricity? Let's all gather 'round a campfire! Forward into the past!

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (HzhBE)

55
You know what else reduces the deficit?

Stop giving billions to stupid "green" companies.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (jUytm)

56
I love this Nick Robins 'expert.' Yes, yes you're using the same numbers to say that it will halve the deficit. The problem is that the use of carbon emissions will go down because of the tax. But, hey, I'm not an 'expert.'

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (F6KtL)

57 I'm guessing guns are outlawed under UN mandate (sovereign over US laws at every level) in about a week. Or less.

Posted by: JustARegularAmerican at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (zAD45)

58 Has to be introduced in the house, yes? At least pass through it.

The Senate will have to attach it to another bill.


Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:42 PM (84pE9)


I'm guessing that you forgot about the EPA, which is unsupervised and full of commies too, right?

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (UK9cE)

59 How much does HSBC stand to make off of this? Even make off the rumor?

Posted by: Roy at November 07, 2012 04:45 PM (VndSC)

60 I propose a "Flatus Tax". It will generate Billions a year and reduce the deficit by 10% in about 1,000 years. Plus there will be less "Noxious Greenhouse Gases" released into the atmosphere.

Posted by: Wall_E at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (48wze)

61
Where is the Boehner caves thread? Looks like the GOP is eager to avoid the fiscal cliff.

Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (Ho3p+)

62 And that is how you tax the middle (and lower) class without calling it a tax.

Posted by: SpasticToad at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (Zewfw)

63 Top tax rate to 65%. You want the spending? You get the taxes.

Posted by: Sugar Fatty at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (EX+sq)

64 >>>Electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket.

Yep which means the prices of everything we make or do will go up. American goods will become less competitive world wide. Manufacturing will suffer. Trade deficits will go up. All goods will become more expensive. And the dollar will weaken abroad as a result.

You wanted it America.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (0q2P7)

65 Fucking unintended consequences. How do they work?

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (96M6e)

66 I'm in the market for a lil' windmill to mount on the roof of my car. That'll power it, won't it?

Who says perpetual motion machines won't work?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (/eBe8)

67 I say let O have what he wants then he will own it. If it causes more suckstation then the idiots deserve it. Either way I will survive.

Posted by: Unclezeb at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (0jETh)

68 So I guess now I understand theshock! shock, I say!in some quartersover theunbelieveable absense of ANY discussion of climate disruptionduring the debates?
Good, good.

Posted by: barbarausa at November 07, 2012 04:46 PM (WWeoI)

69 Go read Candide!

You are not your job--or a slave!

If you are in the military--oops!

Sincerely,

Ann "Fine Arts" Althouse

Posted by: Instapundit Sponsors Suckage! at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (r2PLg)

70 >>>I'm guessing guns are outlawed under UN mandate (sovereign over US laws at every level) in about a week. Or less.

Can they come and try to gather them up? Please. Pretty please.

Posted by: Roy at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (VndSC)

71 Forward!! lemmings! Right off the cliff.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (UOM48)

72 Eh. Not surprising. "Let it Burn". Glad I'll be closing my business soon before 2013, who needs to be worrying about this crap every single day!

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (3Kxux)

73 Thank goodness, I put geothermal heat and air into this house.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (kXoT0)

74 I'm guessing that you forgot about the EPA
EPA can levy a tax?

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (84pE9)

75 Time for John Boehner to step up with a pair, and call Obama's bluff.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (BVkEs)

76 I rate this idea STRONG BUY!

Posted by: Al Gore's Green Stock Newsletter at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (96M6e)

77 Hey, HSBC, you must have a bunch of Ivy League damn economists on staff to come up with some brilliance like that. Guess what. We borrow 41 cents for every dollar we spend. You're damn right he's gonna think up a carbon tax. He's gonna have to tax everything in sight to make that up. Hell, to even make up half of it.

But then again, maybe a scary story like he's going to raise everyone's taxes will cause him to demur on responsibility, and he'll just keep on borrowing money. I wonder if there are any big institutional banks that could profit from that. Hmmmmm....

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (/1U3u)

78 I'm not sure the country knows it but they voted for tax increases. So let's have them. I don't want them, but if I am going to have them, then let everyone have them. Just let the Bush tax rates expire. Tax carbon too. Let's do it and get on with it. No more free lunches.

Posted by: SH at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (gmeXX)

79 Dems long-term strategy for coal country is to depopulate those areas.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (UypUQ)

80 Need a light?

Posted by: America Fuck Yeah! at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (aZrqG)

81 He'll have to get it past the Republicans in the House. We'll have to see how they are going to do.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (YdQQY)

82 The job market is shit, the housing market is shit, taxes and the cost of living is going to sky rocket but that's okay. Big Bird and womyn not in binders are safe. Thanks again to everyone who voted for Barry or didn't vote against him. Please jump in a vat of acid

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (1Jaio)

83 so, just get the rich to pay a little more, their fair share.

Just done analyzing Michigan for a bit. Obama basically maxed out the DNC voting card across the line for that state.

To be clear:

Obama faced zero backlash from white, unhip, probably old white older unhip voters for his failed first term.

So, yeah, I don't know. I hope the new americans coming in from Somalia are more open to change.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (QxSug)

84
The money needed to pay for Obama's corruption will come out of our pockets.

Say goodbye to prosperity . Obama and the dems will now look for ways to pay for Obama's giving away all our money to fake green energy "start up" donors. Tax hikes. Carbon tax hikes. It's all just tax hikes.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (O7ksG)

85
Let it happen. Fuck it. And when the urban centers riot, I'll happily join in.

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (F6KtL)

86 And Romney ran such an awesome campaign, he didn't mention Obama's plan to "necessarily skyrocket" the cost of energy.

SKY - ROCKET.

You dumbfuckin Ohio bastards.......

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (UK9cE)

87 I'm still stunned less people voted for Romney than Mccain. And Mccain was basically campaigning for Soetero.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (3Kxux)

88 "EPA can levy a tax?"

well, a penalty, but same thing.
/SCOTUS

Posted by: DCPensFan at November 07, 2012 04:48 PM (ma/2m)

89 Surround yourself with BEAUTY!!

And LOVE!!!!

And read Candide!!

In your pup tent over there in Ubeka FUCKistan!!

Ann--It's All Beautiful --Althouse

Posted by: Instapundit Sponsors Suckage! at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (r2PLg)

90 I have my unicorn traps set up in the backyard and my Skittles trees are planted. As soon as I get a unicorn and Skittles crop, Happy Days baby, Happy Days!

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (kXoT0)

91 #13 - I just don't have the heart to tell you...

Mein fuehrer ... Steiner ...

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (4+LTj)

92 >have I mentioned my hope that Texas Secedes from the Union?

I'm down. Seriously. My mom was a Texan so that makes me as much of a Texan as Barry Soetoro is an American right?

Posted by: DanInMN at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (khf9A)

93 EVeryone should file EXEMPT on your taxes!!!!!

Posted by: conielu at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (i0aCV)

94 Hey Ace - your blog has been the only one I could stomach all day. It really helped. I just sent you some $$$ in your tip jar - you have done yeoman's work here. XXXOOO Janetoo

Posted by: Janetoo at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (R+fMx)

95 He has run $1.1T budget deficits since he was elected. We don't have a tax problem, we have a spending problem.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (YdQQY)

96 EPA can levy a tax?


Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (84pE9)


Call it a fine, and WHAMMO!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (UK9cE)

97 Well, DUH.


Am I the only person here who actually read Obama's first budget message in 2009? The carbon tax was a centerpiece of it. It was going to pay for the lion's share of universal health care. The reason Obama promised at the outset that he would cut the deficit in half was because he thought he would get the carbon tax passed right after health care.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (qe2/V)

98 And when the urban centers riot, I'll happily join in.

Anybody got any recommendations for water storage? That's my biggest problem, here.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (4+LTj)

99 So, now we are being charged for exhaling?

Fucker!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (C4dFv)

100 The Gop's looking out for you. Expect them to cave to the dems.

Posted by: Wi Lurker at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (9pqWr)

101 Headline should be: Obama Announces Highly Regressive New Tax. Working Class/Poor To Be Hardest Hit at Pump.

Posted by: USA at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (RIg+t)

102 @82: I've got to hand it to the Dems, they successfully weaponized the vagina.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (B/VB5)

103 Ah c'mon. It's only a hunnert bux a year. Its no big deal to me.

College students will have to forsake some beer. And the poor just have to shop at WalMart a few more times. And the Volt drivers will pay.

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (84pE9)

104 Boehners comments were actually Okay considering the results....he's playing a crap hand after last night.
I'll rip him if and when he gives up too much.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (zyMGp)

105 Obama: Hey Pennsylvania and Ohio...You're Welcome!

Posted by: VA Gator at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (ZZiTD)

106 Every Republican in the House should just vote present on all this Obama crap, unless of course they agree with it and want to be on record as doing so.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (/1U3u)

107 The Gop's looking out for you. Expect them to cave to the dems.

So ... Third Party?

I hear the name "Federalists" is free.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (4+LTj)

108 also this

EPA planning new anti-coal regulations for after election

http://tinyurl.com/9wbohfy

Posted by: mallfly at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (bJm7W)

109 A special thank you to the coal counties who voted for Barry. Have fun being unemployed for the rest of your brainless lives

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (1Jaio)

110 Suck it, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (pWeX5)

111 Electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket.

Shit. We're going to look like that photo of North Korea -- completely black.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (C4dFv)

112 No way a Carbon tax makes it through the House. Plenty of house Dems will vote against it.

Posted by: Robert_Paulson at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (9gYVE)

113 Not to mention the whole slew of new EPA regulations being pushed through before the New Year...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (9+ccr)

114 96
EPA can levy a tax?




Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:47 PM (84pE9)



Call it a fine, and WHAMMO!!!


Posted by: � Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:49 PM (UK9cE)

----
Anything goes, man.

Posted by: John Roberts at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (BVkEs)

115 39 I've been wondering for the last few years why everyone has all of a sudden been obsessed with zombie movies, books, and TV shows.I think I just realized why.

The zombies are here guys. They are your neighbors. They want your brains and your wallets and there are more of them than there are of u.


When can we start shooting them then?

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (GFM2b)

116
Anybody got any recommendations for water storage? That's my biggest problem, here

I'm all good. My gf's family has a farm and a well. And she has big titties.

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (F6KtL)

117 Beauty and LOVE and

Candide!!1

People I HAVE all the answers.

Ann "I know's the grammar" Althouse

Posted by: Instapundit Sponsors Suckage! at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (r2PLg)

118 My daily mantra has always been "No one owes me a damn thing. I have to earn it". After last night, I think I'm doing it wrong.

Posted by: Not and Artist at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (uRumV)

119 105 Exactly. Ban cars and coal. And let OH and PA eat shit.

Posted by: Sugar Fatty at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (EX+sq)

120 Someone who knows better than me tell me is this possible through executive fiat(via the EPA for example)? Otherwise it's a non-starter given the GOP controlling the House and even the Senate likely having trouble coming up with the necessary votes.

Posted by: Adam_ME at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (sWKI3)

121 So just to be clearer,

Obama's gay marriage loving, racially divisive, abortion on demand after birth, 8% unemployment, $16Trillion debt, Benghazi ambassador abandoning, bowing to foreign leaders, with a promise to shelve missile defense in second term to Putin resulted in nothing.

This goes beyond GOTV. This is Mitt arguing only for competence.

Note to 2016 candidate. Don't do that. Be bold.

If we are going to have the blessed SoCons on our back as an anchor, then argue SoCon stuff, call Libya a disaster, name the failure that is Obama's fiscal first term.

or cede gays and rapebortions and move on.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (QxSug)

122 Is the 19th amendment the one on Prez Term Limit? Can Obama get around that like Chavez?

Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (ZhjCA)

123 I'm down. Seriously. My mom was a Texan so that makes me as much of a Texan as Barry Soetoro is an American right?

At least. And you don't want to "fundamentally transform" Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (/eBe8)

124 Does President Douchbag not realize that poor black people use electricity? Or, will we be liable for their bill, too?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (C4dFv)

125 I don't like it and I didn't vote for it. But maybe this country needs to enact these liberal policies and test them out. Spending can be cut, taxes lowered. The entitlement state will be around until it goes broke. So let's just deal with the damage. I don't think it is going to be a great four years, but such is life. I'll still make do. Give me my tax increase, just give it my blue neighbors too.

Posted by: SH at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (gmeXX)

126 I'm just going to go back to that other thread. The one where I don't want to start throwing up.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (Gk3SS)

127 My county had an increase in voting, over both 2004 and 2008. I hope everyone takes a look at their election results and compares them to 2004 and 2008.

Then we'll see where the missing voters are from. Lots of places had high turnout.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at November 07, 2012 04:53 PM (i2Lsf)

128 I'm all good. My gf's family has a farm and a well.

I've got a half acre, but I'm zoned residential so can't (legally) drill one.

If, say, I needed to do one subtle-like, does anyone have any advice?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 04:53 PM (4+LTj)

129 Working Class/Poor To Be Hardest Hit at Pump.

This +1000

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:53 PM (84pE9)

130 This won't make it through the House? Heh.

This will be a post-constitutional term. Why do you think they didn't even bother with House elections.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 04:53 PM (J4gw3)

131 How can he enact that over the House?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 04:53 PM (ZPrif)

132 Anybody got any recommendations for water storage? That's my biggest problem, here

I'm all good. My gf's family has a farm and a well. And she has big titties.

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 04:51 PM (F6KtL)


You can do whatever, as long as you're not in Oregon. They'll arrest you for collecting water.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:53 PM (UK9cE)

133 121. You have to mute the MSM first in 2016. The Dem Nominee will get all the same cover as Zero does now

Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 04:53 PM (ZhjCA)

134 And this will reenergize the tea party to a fare-thee-well.
How many more seats can we get in the house in two years?
How many Dem senate seats will be up? 20.
They include
Alaska, Arkansas, CO, DE, IL, IA (Harkin) LA (Landrieu), MA (Kerrey), MI, MN (FRANKEN), MT (Baucus), NH, NM, NC, SD, VA, WVa
Those are all doable if we let Jim DeMint, Rubio and Rand Paul help pick candidates.

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at November 07, 2012 04:54 PM (DOEXI)

135 “Applied to the Congressional Budget Office’s 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022,” Robins said.

LOL, for 10 different reasons.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 04:54 PM (X3lox)

136 Does President Douchbag not realize that poor black people use electricity? Or, will we be liable for their bill, too?

I assume you're using this purely as a rhetorical device.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 04:54 PM (96M6e)

137 124. In the city of Chicago, a pack of Cigs now costs $11. Blacks still buy them in droves

Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 04:54 PM (ZhjCA)

138 sorry, fuck it. Give obama something in exchange for a budget. He wants taxes then fine, but he has to write the tax code, not the House. Pull a Pelosi and let GOP'rs in contested seats vote against it.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (QxSug)

139 So much for no tax on the middle class. Who does Obama think will pay this?

Posted by: USA at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (RIg+t)

140 He won.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (BuRsu)

141 I'm all good. My gf's family has a farm and a well. And she has big titties.


Big titties? The well, or the family?

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (84pE9)

142 Does President Douchbag not realize that poor black people use electricity? Or, will we be liable for their bill, too?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 04:52 PM (C4dFv)



Peggy Joseph: What do you think?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (1Jaio)

143 Is the 19th amendment the one on Prez Term Limit? Can Obama get around that like Chavez?

Two-thirds of both houses of Congress.

Probably could have his first term, had he be thinking about it.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (4+LTj)

144 At least we died quick.

Posted by: The Dinosaurs at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (wAQA5)

145
How can he enact that over the House?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 04:53 PM (ZPrif)


I give you the E. P. A.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (UK9cE)

146 Working Class/Poor To Be Hardest Hit at Pump.

That's the intent: Aristocracy gets to drive. Serfs ride the bus.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (/kI1Q)

147 And Boeing announced they will lay off 30% of executives and close plants in California. Happy Days!

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (+/C3g)

148 New Carbon taxes

Boehner open to new "revenue"

And California requiring condoms in all adult movies.

And that's just the first 24 hours.....

Posted by: khelek at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (j1CLz)

149 Here we go with the CBO again. Gave dems cover on Obamacare also

Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (ZhjCA)

150 here's another good idea: you know the guys you see mowing the grass along the highway? Double the number of guys and give them push mowers. Less CO2, less demand for whatever fuel lawnmowers run on, less unemployment! A triple winner!

Posted by: mallfly at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (bJm7W)

151
I've got a half acre, but I'm zoned residential so can't (legally) drill one.

If, say, I needed to do one subtle-like, does anyone have any advice?


I'd just start stocking up on some bottles and fill those up and store it around your place. I never thought I'd say this, but with prices skyrocketing in the next few years, it's time to stop shopping and start stocking up.

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (F6KtL)

152 Let it burn. I can afford it more than the takers.

Posted by: Aghast at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (x8Wor)

153 Was this nugget in the little pamphlet he waved around, "his plan?" I guess I missed it.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (qwK3S)

154 143 Is the 19th amendment the one on Prez Term Limit? Can Obama get around that like Chavez?

Two-thirds of both houses of Congress.

Probably could have his first term, had he be thinking about it.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 04:55 PM (4+LTj)

__________________

Third term?

Biden via remote control.

Posted by: Instapundit Sponsors Suckage! at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (r2PLg)

155 >>unintended consequences. How do they work?

Foreseeable consequences are not unintended.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (XMDuf)

156
133 is right, which is why I say we have to go after some people in the media, make an example of them, destroy their careers.

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (wgmUB)

157 who won Iowa? Soetero? wait until this hits them in that state.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (3Kxux)

158 How can he enact that over the House?

Others have already said it, but EPA. They label it as a "fine" or a "fee" and it never needs Congressional Approval.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (/eBe8)

159 doesn't he need the house for that? or is he just going to do it cause shit needs to get done?

Posted by: bannor at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (BjJOB)

160 In the city of Chicago, a pack of Cigs now costs $11. Blacks still buy them in droves


Posted by: Jack J at November 07, 2012 04:54 PM (ZhjCA)


Check and see if they're smoking Menthols. I thought the tax laws didn't include those because O'fuckstick smokes those.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:57 PM (UK9cE)

161 Does President Douchbag not realize that poor black people use electricity?

If you're on food stamps (and I am not implying that food stamps = black or black = food stamps, I am just saying "if you are on food stamps"), you get "energy assistance."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 04:57 PM (/kI1Q)

162 by the by, re
17 The media will cream their pants
has anyone heard from gerg lately? I know I wouldn't want to walk barefoot in his cellar/bedroom right about now.

Posted by: mallfly at November 07, 2012 04:57 PM (bJm7W)

163 I'd just start stocking up on some bottles and fill those up and store it around your place.

That's for the 96-hour plan. I'm on to the 30-day plan (with maybe an overlap to the 1-year plan).

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 04:57 PM (4+LTj)

164 Boehner said all options on the table, including new revenue (that's taxes for you in Cleveland).

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 04:57 PM (opS9C)

165 Maybe it's time to fire up the Galt Generator. Unless of course, Obama plans to levy a new tax on Ozone.

Posted by: Fritz at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (vm7ot)

166 >>unintended consequences. How do they work?

I'll go you one better, LibertarianJim. ForeseeableDesired consequences are not unintended.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (96M6e)

167
Ohio, I still cannot believe that state voted for him twice!

Posted by: Pam at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (bj062)

168 who won Iowa? Soetero? wait until this hits them in that state.

If you own land in Iowa you can make a shit-ton of money with no work by leasing it out to windmills.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (/kI1Q)

169
Big titties? The well, or the family?

Her mom doesn't, but god was good to her. She's like 5'7 with big 'ole knockers

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (F6KtL)

170
I wondered if the RR campaign ran ads that had Obama on audio (maybe it was also video) when he was a senator, saying he would do this and that yes, energy costs would, of necessity, skyrocket.
Guess not. Why not?

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (wgmUB)

171 Hold on now.

Obama's world view is no longer alien to 50% of Americans.

Just got to go on a carbon diet I guess.

Posted by: America Fuck Yeah! at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (N2svL)

172 nnnnooooo...the deficite will not be cut by 154 billion......congress will have 154 billion in new revenues to fund new social engeneering programs(read: by re-election votes)

Posted by: xtron at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (x5GOG)

173 re 161: that's what the 'earned income credit' is for, they just need to add in the cost of electric, gas and hot water... which is what we seem to be in right about now.

Posted by: mallfly at November 07, 2012 04:58 PM (bJm7W)

174 As if fuel was not expensive enough already.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (jKE+Z)

175 For those who think the House will be our saving grace, we now have a dictator with nothing to lose. Why let a little thing like checks and balances and a Constitution get in the way with the complete and utter destruction of the US?

Posted by: khelek at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (j1CLz)

176 The Cars "Let the Good Times Roll" just came across the play list.

I can't stop crying.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (UK9cE)

177 Allen West was redistricted out of his seat--he was voted out.

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (wgmUB)

178 I just hit the tip jar, Ace. THANK YOU for everything you do and all you did during the election. This is really the only political site I trust. Plus I love the ONT, book threads, etc. You are worth six - hell, six hundred - Obamas.

Posted by: Dr Alice at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (OJKg3)

179 It's every man for themselves at this point boys and girls

Posted by: suzyq at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (Ra9bQ)

180 Ok, my first cultural boycott is the NBA. The NBA players are about 99% hardcore Democrats. And most are racists.

But I like basketball. So it's actually hard for me to give it up. Watching Jordan win in the 90s is one of my fondest sports memories. I loved Michael Jordan.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (ZPrif)

181
"we have a spending problem"
no such thing silly.

Posted by: Dem Voter at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (Ho3p+)

182 I suppose there will be waivers for "the poor"
Shitpots of freebies
There always is
They contribute practically dick to our nations economic progress and get free shit forever from the producers - ie. everybody else

So it's a political win for the parasites and their hero
The sooner we start giving less of a shit about them, with all that poverty pimping and more about the rest of us will be the first step towards increased prosperity and freedom

Posted by: TexasJew at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (lD8ju)

183 163 I'd just start stocking up on some bottles and fill those up and store it aroundyour place.

That's forthe 96-hourplan.I'montothe 30-day plan (with maybe an overlap to the 1-year plan).

Plastic 55 gal drums. Can be had for as low as $12.00 each. Mine previously held Tabasco peppers.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (GFM2b)

184 And California requiring condoms in all adult movies.

What's the over/under on the entire industry moving to Nevada? Friday?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (/kI1Q)

185 If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,

If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.

If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,

If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman




Barry: I'm using this song as my agenda

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (1Jaio)

186 152
Let it burn. I can afford it more than the takers.

Posted by: Aghast at November 07, 2012 04:56 PM (x8Wor)

-----------------------------------
Uh, no. His next move will be to nationalize the power companies. Once he has control of those, he can set electricity rates based on merit and ability to pay. Simple.

Posted by: Not and Artist at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (uRumV)

187 "ANY CHANCE AT ALL of replacing Boehner? Maybe with Paul Ryan or Allen West?"

I think the House could declare the speaker's position vacant, forcing a vote on a new speaker.

Apparently it's never been done. Speakers should be made to live in mortal fear of this option.

Posted by: GalosGann at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (T3KlW)

188 Lovely.

Combine this with Reid's threats to gut the filibuster and we've got a long 2 years, if not longer.

I figure that the changing of filibuster rules is to make it easier for him to cram unpopular choices through as his new cabinet heads.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (e0xKF)

189 Nanny Zero's hatred of Hipster smart phones has no limit!

Posted by: derit at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (I88Jc)

190 I loved Jordan too, but I don't watch basketball anymore. Apples-oranges.

Posted by: Dem Voter at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (Ho3p+)

191 Luntz was on Hannity. With low-info voters, the thing that made them vote Obama, the margin of victory, was "empathy". Don't cha know he understand people like them?

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (wgmUB)

192 I feel bad for West Virginia- Philly and Cleveland can freeze to death for all I care now.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (zyMGp)

193 Her mom doesn't, but god was good to her. She's like 5'7 with big 'ole knockers

Good to hear. My wife had to get them the old fashioned way. She bought them from her doctor. Free installation, too

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (84pE9)

194
$154B/yr??

Obama wants to take another $154B/yr out of our economy?


Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (jUytm)

195 Plastic 55 gal drums. Can be had for as low as $12.00 each. Mine previously held Tabasco peppers.

Hawley carp. They make 55 gallon drums of Tabasco peppers?

Where did you find such a thing?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (4+LTj)

196 164
Boehner said all options on the table, including new revenue (that's taxes for you in Cleveland).


Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 04:57 PM (opS9C)
---Boehner will agree to taxes on the "wealthy" (yet defined) in exchange for tax cuts for the "non-wealthy". Call it the Buffet Tax Increase.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (BVkEs)

197 so... by the end of 2013, Romney's 47% will be up to about 54%? Yeah, it's over.

Posted by: mallfly at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (bJm7W)

198 Reform the accounting of film profits and tax them at 60%.

Posted by: Sugar Fatty at November 07, 2012 05:01 PM (EX+sq)

199 The only good thing The House is good for now is an excuse as to why nothing gets done and it's why all the bad things happen.

Posted by: Wi Lurker at November 07, 2012 05:01 PM (9pqWr)

200 The GOP has lots of options I will support. I'll even support raising taxes so long as everyone's taxes are raised. Heck they can do that by doing nothing. Let's start taxing carbon. If the GOP wants to do that, I'll be fine with it. I won't blame them. They will simply being doing what the country voted for.

Likewise, I would be happy if the GOP simply held strong and voted against Obama on everything. I really don't care.

I know the GOP Congress will get the blame no matter what. I'm ready to deal with that for the sake of the country. I'm willing to take the pain of tax increases.

The only thing I ask is do not simply raise taxes on the top unless you get something real and fundamental in return. I'll take the higher taxes now if it means real cuts in spending. Likewise I'll take the higher taxes if everyone pays more.

No I don't think it will work, but the country has spoken. This is what the people want.

Posted by: SH at November 07, 2012 05:01 PM (gmeXX)

201 Wow! by 2021 , $154B that's a huge reduction of a >$1T dollqar budget. What utter bullshit

Posted by: jb at November 07, 2012 05:01 PM (/UpB0)

202 The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

I love me some Winston Churchill

Posted by: polynikes at November 07, 2012 05:01 PM (m2CN7)

203
187"ANY CHANCE AT ALL of replacing Boehner? Maybe with Paul Ryan or Allen West?"
Dude, as it stands West lost.

Posted by: Dem Voter at November 07, 2012 05:01 PM (Ho3p+)

204 Once he has control of those, he can set electricity rates based on merit and ability to pay.

Think bigger. Rolling blackouts...he can control which neighborhoods get juice and which don't.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 05:02 PM (/kI1Q)

205 I don't think this is all that bad of an idea because of a few things - 1) I'm going to assume that it's a straight tax and not cap trade 2) it costs more to heat than cool, meaning all those NE states will get hit harder (it cost more to heat/cool our previous 1900 sqft house in OR than it does 3400 sqft here in FL) 3) it hits the 47%; highly regressive not only in the direct tax but in the indirect tax on raising prices on just about everything. 4) if we have to raise taxes (and the public just voted for that) then okay, here you go.

Posted by: Memories at November 07, 2012 05:02 PM (NQl6U)

206 “Applied to the Congressional Budget Office’s 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022,” Robins said.

JUST the Fiscal? Baseline? What world are these people living in.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 05:02 PM (NzBQO)

207 While we are at it, please remove the cap on the national debt. I'm so tired of us running up against that thing all the time.It's embarrassing, and they always raise it every single time.

End the cap! Free skittles for everyone!

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 05:02 PM (ccXZP)

208 Why stop there? Air, food, water, rent, mortgage payments, interstate usage, pet ownership, children, urine and stool fees - lots of untapped revenue sources yet.

Obamaphones ain't free.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at November 07, 2012 05:02 PM (F9l4e)

209 I'm at the point where I believe the American should get what we voted for. So, bring it on.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 05:02 PM (s8XaI)

210
This would be a case of doing the surgery that kills the patient.
Reduce the deficit a teeny bit; kill the citizen.

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 05:02 PM (wgmUB)

211 Actually there is a program to help the underclass pay their heating bills (which will also rise due to these taxes) it's called LIHEAP.

Anyone below the poverty line is eligible for an amount (depending on size of family and amount of income) to be paid to the heating supplier of the applicants choice.

Gas prices may lag electricity bills because it's in greater supply but I'm sure they'll figure some way to include gas producers in this tax and so those prices will rise.

Question is; what will the Democrats do when the assistance doesn't help pay for the heat and the underclass starts clamoring for larger payments to offset the drastic increase of electricity?

BTW many of the underclass voted against Romney as they were certain his first moves of austerity would be to cut their benefits. Republican Governors across the nation have signaled this as his first response due to that's what they did as soon as assuming their office.

Now if they made those cuts across the board, then they might not have appeared quite so blood thirsty but strangely enough most other big recipients of a state's largesse didn't suffer the same kind or degree of cuts. Union contracts most notably were smiled upon by most Republican governors and also large salaries of government officials were approved or even raised.

It was simple logic to deduce that welfare, medicaid and other programs for those below the poverty line would be the first to get cut in any "austerity" budget by a Republican. They voted accordingly.

Of course they may not realize that Obama will have the same choices and may choose to cut them also.

It will be interesting hearing them scream about this.

Obama has only two choices; raise taxes to levels unsustainable or cut benefits to levels the underclass won't accept.

In the coming weeks, we may be glad there's not a Republican in the Presidency. The occupied seat in the oval office is about to get much, much hotter.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 05:02 PM (SP4jC)

212 I know, I know, off topic but to wrap it into this, speaking of Michigan and voter backlash for gayrapeabortions, we basically failed to get reagan democrats.

do they no longer exist?
or
did mitt not figure out a way to target them...

possibly by not fighting SoCon issues, just letting them fart out in embarrassing ways?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (QxSug)

213 Who was it that said that every 70 years, history repeats itself?

Posted by: USS CONSTITUTION at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (KqwSL)

214 For what it's worth...clerk at convenience store splained the vote for me: "obama lesser of 2 evils...if you're poor...he's probably better." I said not so, Romney would grow economy...better for everybody. "Not so sure, that 47% thing...he SAID it!"
My take...we got out messaged...they defined Romney...oh well.

Posted by: rukiddingme? at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (MbeEN)

215
Luntz was on Hannity. With low-info voters, the thing that made them
vote Obama, the margin of victory, was "empathy". Don't cha know he
understand people like them?

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (wgmUB)



He understands how stupid they are

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (1Jaio)

216 The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.


Also the argument against "universal suffrage."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (/eBe8)

217 I got my Obama swag bag already! I got a phone, xbox, and 2 gift certificates for Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Sugar Fatty at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (EX+sq)

218 Thank God we have the House, and this lunacy won't pass.

...right?

They don't want a middle class anymore. They want people who get a quasi-middle class standard of living from the government.

The goal of Barack Obama is to terrorize, punish, and then kill the Hated Bourgeoisie.

I wish someone would have said that these past four years. But we were gentlemanly with a Bolshevik.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (uhAkr)

219 203
187"ANY CHANCE AT ALL of replacing Boehner? Maybe with Paul Ryan or Allen West?"
Dude, as it stands West lost.

---

It's been pointed out quite a few times that there's no requirement that the Speaker actually be a member of the House.

Doesn't mean that doing it would be a good idea, though.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (e0xKF)

220 IIRC, the Speaker doesn't have to be a member of Congress, so even if West loses, he could still be speaker.

Posted by: Memories at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (NQl6U)

221 187"ANY CHANCE AT ALL of replacing Boehner? Maybe with Paul Ryan or Allen West?"Dude, as it stands West lost.
Posted by: Dem Voter at November 07, 2012 05:01 PM (Ho3p+)

We didn't have the heart to tell him.

Posted by: troyriser at November 07, 2012 05:04 PM (vtiE6)

222 Luntz was on Hannity. With low-info voters, the thing that made them vote Obama, the margin of victory, was "empathy". Don't cha know he understand people like them?

-----

As dumb as this sounds, it is a real concern. People want to relate to the President and want to think the President "feels their pane." We need to keep this in mind. One can argue that Reagan and Bush 43 were able to convey this better than Bush 41, McCain and certainly Romney.

Its dumb, and its stupid. But it is true that conveying empathy isa quality needed to be president in the modern era (itseems). It sucks, but let's at least acknowledge this for next time.

Posted by: SH at November 07, 2012 05:04 PM (gmeXX)

223 “Applied to the Congressional Budget Office’s 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022,” Robins said.

If it were to raise $154 billion by 2027, how in the world would we reduce our deficit by half?

Posted by: Nate at November 07, 2012 05:04 PM (i3OIF)

224 >At least. And you don't want to "fundamentally transform" Texas.

About the only thing I'd change about Texas is that the concealed carry law should allow open carry (which shockingly enough Minnesota has, at least for now.)

Posted by: DanInMN at November 07, 2012 05:05 PM (khf9A)

225 Who was it that said that every 70 years, history repeats itself?

If you haven't already read The Fourth Turning, I highly recommend it. But keep sharp objects out of reach.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 05:05 PM (96M6e)

226 do they no longer exist?


Did you see the clip of the Dem Delegates booing God? No, they no longer exist.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 05:05 PM (/eBe8)

227 Do you think that Obama voters give two shits about whether he said electricity rates will necvessarily skyrocket?

They think it will only hit someone else or that Obama will pay for it or something.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 07, 2012 05:05 PM (/1U3u)

228 muslim filmmaker sentenced to a year in prison

Posted by: fe at November 07, 2012 05:05 PM (/FxuJ)

229 it costs more to heat than cool, meaning all those NE states will get hit harder
---
Also remember that the north (Minn, Wi at least) get all their electricity from coal plants in North Dakota. It stays cold there for most of the year.

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 05:05 PM (84pE9)

230 Electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket.

But only for the 1%, because the 99% don't use electricity.

Posted by: rockhead at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (jtTKf)

231 176 The Cars "Let the Good Times Roll" just came across the play list.

I can't stop crying.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (UK9cE)
_______

Shit hang in there Sponge.

Love--The Cars

Posted by: Instapundit Sponsors Suckage! at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (r2PLg)

232 Obama has only two choices; raise taxes to levels unsustainable or cut benefits to levels the underclass won't accept.

In the coming weeks, we may be glad there's not a Republican in the Presidency. The occupied seat in the oval office is about to get much, much hotter.

---

There's also the tertiam quid...

Go full-on Weimar / Zimbabwe and pretend your money is worth the paper it's printed on.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (e0xKF)

233 we basically failed to get reagan democrats.


Dude, Romney polled worse than McCain. I'm not sure he got Reagan Republicans.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (4+LTj)

234 You think that Secretary of Business was a campaign ploy?

It wasn't. They are going to nationalize the Health Care and Energy industries next and fold those, along with the car companies, under a new cabinet level department.

They're going to regulate them into a crisis then "save" them.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (J4gw3)

235 "Question is; what will the Democrats do when the assistance doesn't help pay for the heat and the underclass starts clamoring for larger payments to offset the drastic increase of electricity?"

Raid your bank account. Ration your power. Take your stuff.

The courts won't protect you. They are on the other side.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (uhAkr)

236 we basically failed to get reagan democrats.



do they no longer exist?



It's been 32 years. Most of them vote Democrat again because they're dead.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (/kI1Q)

237 Speaker of the House John Boehner delivered a direct message to
President Barack Obama after Obama’s victory in the election: “This is
your moment” and “we want you to succeed.”





Okay, great so uhhh... carbon tax, coal tax, breathing tax

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (1Jaio)

238 One of the nimrods that works in the EPA for Obama will probably perish while on an inspection at a coal mine and Dems will push for a ban of coal and call it the Coal is Bad Act. And of course the idiot Obama and Dems will further be putting us at a disadvantage to the Chinese who have zero regulations and are the biggest producers of coal. If Obama goes through with this 'carbon tax' (which is an old liberal idea; this clown has no new ideas.); he would win another Nobel peace Prize, Grammy, Soul Train award.It will be an 'unprecedented' move by a US President to combat Climate Change.

Posted by: Tom at November 07, 2012 05:06 PM (mbfn/)

239 “Applied to the Congressional Budget Office’s 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022,” Robins said.



If it were to raise $154 billion by 2027, how in the world would we reduce our deficit by half?

Posted by: Nate at November 07, 2012 05:04 PM (i3OIF)


It always cracks me up that they budget things at CURRENT LEVELS. Not ever taking into account that consumption will drop and the money will just NOT BE THERE as anticipated.

Look at ANY STATE that raises their "sin taxes" and their neighboring state doesn't.


Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Dumbshits.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 05:07 PM (UK9cE)

240
"In the coming weeks, we may be glad there's not a Republican in the Presidency. The occupied seat in the oval office is about to get much, much hotter."

I was thinking about this last night, but I know that the MSM will, at every turn, tell the people that the nation has hard choices to make, that those problems were not of his making, and that he's doing his very best, better than what anyone else would EVER do, to minimize the pain for them. They will remind us that the pain from Romney or anyone else would have been so much more severe. The turnaround in Obama's campaign came when Bill Clinton gave even the jaded and disgusted with Obama democrat the excuse they had been waiting for: he's far better than anyone else could ever hope to be.

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 05:07 PM (wgmUB)

241
Is the 19th amendment the one on Prez Term Limit? Can Obama get around that like Chavez?
=============================
22nd amendment. and there's some rep from NY who has proposed more than once repealing it (can't remember his name)

Posted by: eurw at November 07, 2012 05:07 PM (mF+Zz)

242 Raid your bank account. Ration your power. Take your stuff.

The courts won't protect you. They are on the other side.

---

Which is why I haven't put money into an IRA in four years.

The rate of return is shit and I have a distinct feeling that this JEF will "borrow" that money somehow.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 07, 2012 05:07 PM (e0xKF)

243 We are all serfs now. The US was founded by the blood of our forefathers who fought to defeat the tyranny of an all powerful central government. A government that confiscated the wealth of her subjects than redistributed the bulk of wealth to the favored few elite who gave them their allegiance. What was left was filtered back down through the many layers of government to enslaved serfs who were forced to bow to their betters to get a pittance of the take. With the re-election of President Obama we have come full circle back to the days of King George. We are all serfs now.

Posted by: Mary at November 07, 2012 05:07 PM (a9OuN)

244 My friend six months ago, yeah free birth control! My friend last week, hey my health insurance is going up $25 per pay period next year no fair!!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 05:07 PM (NzBQO)

245 ok, so today I learned that the speaker of the house doesnt have to be a member of the house. Interesting. I vote Kid Rock. Fuck it. We need to be cool.

Posted by: Dem Voter at November 07, 2012 05:08 PM (Ho3p+)

246 I think Obama should next push to let transgendered men shower with elementary school kids. This not happening today is worse than Selma!

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 05:08 PM (opS9C)

247 So the key to winning low-info voters is running a high school dropout who works part time running a can press and watches wrestling every night?

Posted by: Sugar Fatty at November 07, 2012 05:08 PM (EX+sq)

248 Coulter on Hannity now. She seems depressed............and still loves her some Krispy Christie.

Posted by: Not and Artist at November 07, 2012 05:08 PM (uRumV)

249 My friend last week, hey my health insurance is going up $25 per pay period next year no fair!!

Better get busy fucking.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 05:08 PM (/kI1Q)

250 Thank God we have the House, and this lunacy won't pass. ...right?

Don't forget if Congress won't "act", it will come down from on high by one means or another.

Posted by: rockhead at November 07, 2012 05:09 PM (jtTKf)

251 Our founding fathers revolted against England because there was a tax on tea.

Quaint, isn't it?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 05:09 PM (uhAkr)

252 AND Harry Reid has come out today (see Drudge) to propose that his new Democrat Senate vote to give Republicans no chance to oppose him. He wants a new law to outlaw filibuster. He believes there will never be another Republican in office (and he is likely right) so the filibuster will be used only against us.

Posted by: AnnaS at November 07, 2012 05:09 PM (LvXz6)

253
I want the USA to succeed.

I don't give a rat's ass about Obama.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 05:09 PM (jUytm)

254 My friend six months ago, yeah free birth control!
My friend last week, hey my health insurance is going up $25 per pay
period next year no fair!!


Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 05:07 PM (NzBQO)


Your friend should be awarded a Darwin Award in the near future.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 05:09 PM (UK9cE)

255 233 we basically failed to get reagan democrats.


Dude, Romney polled worse than McCain. I'm not sure he got Reagan Republicans.


***

win.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 05:09 PM (QxSug)

256
#212: re: Reagan Democrats
I don't believe too many such animals exist anymore. Most are dead.

Posted by: gayle at November 07, 2012 05:09 PM (wgmUB)

257 My friend last week, hey my health insurance is going up $25 per pay period next year no fair!!

Better get busy fucking.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 05:08 PM (/kI1Q)



We're fucked already

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 05:09 PM (1Jaio)

258 **My friend six months ago, yeah free birth control!
My friend last week, hey my health insurance is going up $25 per pay
period next year no fair!!**

oh, btw, honey, you're losing your job. At least you won't feel taxes going up too.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 05:10 PM (QxSug)

259 My friend last week, hey my health insurance is going up $25 per pay period next year no fair!!

Better get busy fucking.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 05:08 PM (/kI1Q)

If I'm gonna be honest, I did....and I still regret it.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 05:11 PM (NzBQO)

260 **most are dead**

Therefore, Romney failed to create Romney Democrats.

What would a Romney Democrat want that Obama can't deliver?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 05:11 PM (QxSug)

261 195

Yellow pages. Internet. Feed stores.
www dot usplastics dot com for full retail.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 05:12 PM (cR5ot)

262 Our only hope is that DOOM hits soon, as crazy as that sounds. The only thing that can stop them now is economic catastrophe.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 05:12 PM (J4gw3)

263 Feed stores.

Oh, that's a good one. I didn't think about that.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 07, 2012 05:12 PM (4+LTj)

264 "i want them to suffer and die by the bushel "

I personally believe that that is at the heart of many of Obama's actions; to decimate the ranks of the lower classes who have self selected themselves as being obsolete.

Changes in Medicaid and Medicare along with death panels deciding what procedures and for who will begin to kill off those dependent on those programs sooner than they would've otherwise.

Why would anyone doubt this? They're already doing this in the UK.

Raise prices but not raise welfare/benefits payments. The poor mostly have a fixed income much of it regulated by the Government. Rising prices will put many in the streets or in government barracks where they can more easily be "removed".

It's what many other socialist totalitarian governments have done within the last 100 years. Why should they balk at doing something similar here.

The media will cover for them. The Republicans are ineffectual and the populace won't believe what few stories leak out.

It's been done and done by experts. Some still alive to advise.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 05:13 PM (SP4jC)

265 oh, btw, honey, you're losing your job. At least you won't feel taxes going up too.

Ah, but there's a tax on losing the health insurance that came with the job. Heh.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 05:14 PM (/kI1Q)

266
we cannot assume that this tax will be applied fairly across the board. There will be exemptions and subsidies that make sure the politically favored don't get hit.

Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 05:14 PM (Ho3p+)

267 "What would a Romney Democrat want that Obama can't deliver?"

To not be pillaged by looting barbarians in a few years.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 05:14 PM (uhAkr)

268 Yo Texans!

Any room for a thoroughly disaffected Minnesotan down there, that maybe isn't melt your face off hot?

Posted by: esch at November 07, 2012 05:14 PM (9XVgh)

269 I want the USA to succeed.


That ship sailed on Tuesday.

It's all down hill from here. Enjoy the ride.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 05:15 PM (SP4jC)

270 I want the USA to succeed.


I don't give a rat's ass about Obama.


I think for the USA to succeed again perhaps in my sons lifetime, it must first fail......badly.....in mine.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 05:15 PM (0q2P7)

271 Meiczyslaw, if the first water sand is not too far down you can dig a well or drive pipe down with a pointed tip that has a screen built in to filter out the sand. They still sell those. We drove a well for my greatuncle's fish camp. Otherwise it's a rather conspicuous drilling rig.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 07, 2012 05:15 PM (5AXly)

272 263

Barrel riders use them as course markers.

I need to go thru all of my Y2k Prepper Links and see which ones are still good.

Posted by: rickb223 (I am John Galt) at November 07, 2012 05:15 PM (rc8be)

273 "What do we do!?"

"We die."

-The Last Starfighter

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 07, 2012 05:16 PM (EX+sq)

274 Any room for a thoroughly disaffected Minnesotan down there, that maybe isn't melt your face off hot?
Posted by: esch at November 07, 2012 05:14 PM (9XVgh)

Its 82 degrees on November 7th so I guess the answer is not Houston.

Posted by: polynikes at November 07, 2012 05:16 PM (m2CN7)

275 the key to winning low info voters is controlling public education from age 3-30. It's a winning strategy.

Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 05:16 PM (Ho3p+)

276
I'm just pissed that themost importantelection of my life went down the shitter because Republicans couldn't show up to vote. Sarah Palin took so much shit and she gotmore R votes than yesterday. WTF?
Yesterday was the last chance for a long time. It should have been our biggest turnout ever. My God the opposition was a SCOAMF posing as Santa. Church buses should have been shuddlingeverywhere instead of school buses of Somalis and their interpreters. We are way smarter and we couldn't get our shit together. Flaming Skulls

Posted by: Mother Teresa at November 07, 2012 05:16 PM (i7KmQ)

277 "What would a Romney Democrat want that Obama can't deliver?"

A magic uterus?

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 07, 2012 05:17 PM (EX+sq)

278 basically, the DNC has amazingly managed to create a population that is fed and bred to do what it wants the most. Everyone gets the same prize, those that are too lazy to work can either live on welfare and get free electricity or, if they're too proud to be on welfare, they can get "jobs" at GM and get paid $200K to sit on their asses. Tight asses can get $180K jobs in the government pretending to work. Cornbred warrior types can join the army. Entrepreneurs can drop dead of exhaustion.

Win win for every demographic. Just chose your life's work, be it welfare queen or corporate welfare recipient or sucker that actually works at a real job, and wait to be fed.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 05:17 PM (QxSug)

279 180 Ok, my first cultural boycott is the NBA. The NBA players are about 99% hardcore Democrats. And most are racists.

But I like basketball. So it's actually hard for me to give it up. Watching Jordan win in the 90s is one of my fondest sports memories. I loved Michael Jordan.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (ZPrif)

--Just watch more of the college game. Sure, due to one-and-done the quality is not what it was even ten years ago, but I love the passion and the March Cinderellas.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 05:17 PM (jKE+Z)

280 Someone talk me off the ledge here.

I have always given to charity--really more than I can afford. My rationale was always that if I didn't want the .gov doling out charity, then I should.

And I'm now starting to see things the way Ayn Rand did. It seems pointless to give money to the takers. It won't ease their hatred of you. It will only make them want more.

As a Christian, I don't want to feel that way. But I'm starting to--in addition to crippling taxes, I deprive myself to provide for the poor, and they hate me for it.

I'm not doing anything rash while I'm pissed off, but I'm tempted to turn off the spigot and put it into my own savings. charity begins at home.

Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2012 05:17 PM (g7D8V)

281 i.e., there's no penalty for being lazy or stupid anymore.

Well, until Iran nukes San Francisco (you figure they'd to a sea port bomb at a city on a bay) or NYC.

But wait, Obama's shown that he ... as a chicago thug ... doesn't actually care about peace. So, he may stop Iran.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 05:18 PM (QxSug)

282 280 "Go ask Obama for the money."

My new mantra.

Posted by: Hussein in the Membrane at November 07, 2012 05:19 PM (EX+sq)

283 Oh, just a thought. Change your party affiliation. It may not come but if it does, it'll happen with little warning and you may not be able to stop it affecting you; benefits, taxes and special consideration by government depending on your party affiliation.

Think it can't happen? It happened for 80 years in the USSR.

It still happens elsewhere. A subtle form of discrimination. Difficult to detect at first but eventually they get bolder about it.

That's why you should change your official party affiliation now.

Of course if they manage somehow to detect who you vote for, it might be a waste of time.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 05:19 PM (SP4jC)

284 remember when 154 billion would actually put a dent in the deficit?

Posted by: vikingsfan at November 07, 2012 05:19 PM (crMa0)

285 Just when I was being thankful for my wine in the last thread.
Ok so do we laugh And drink for the next four years, or do we fight like hell to take the senate and keep the house in two years? I haven't decided I'm still in mourning.

Posted by: Spypeach at November 07, 2012 05:19 PM (pwTow)

286 I see a reckless, careless, future society. One half will expect to be taken care of and the other half refusing to do anything beyond the minimum required of them beyond taking care of themselves - they will just not give a shit. They will be called the nogiveashits. Say it fast and it sounds russian.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 05:21 PM (C4dFv)

287 ANY CHANCE AT ALL of replacing Boehner? Maybe with Paul Ryan or Allen West?

If someone decides to challenge him, yes, but they have to win a certain number of members. Ryan might eventually do it but right now he is (reportedly) seeking a waiver so that he can continue in his current post. As for West, I am glad he is seeking a recount but not very confident that it will goes his way.

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 07, 2012 05:21 PM (YjDyJ)

288 180 Ok, my first cultural boycott is the NBA. The NBA players are about 99% hardcore Democrats. And most are racists.



But I like basketball. So it's actually hard for me to give it up.
Watching Jordan win in the 90s is one of my fondest sports memories. I
loved Michael Jordan.



Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 04:59 PM (ZPrif)





That reminds me of a 2 polls someone took in a NFL locker room in 2008. One poll just asked every player, it was about 85% Obama, one did it as an anonymous ballot 60% Obama.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 05:21 PM (NzBQO)

289 I wonder who the carbon tax Czar will be and how many new federal jobs will be created to implement and enforce the arm twisting. Taking a page right out of the Greek failure manual it seems, by making every third person a government employee, with all of the associated pensions, benefits, perks, etc. ... I guess getting reelected does not increase ones mental capacity at all.

Posted by: and irresolute at November 07, 2012 05:21 PM (DBH1h)

290 Am I imagining things or did I read somewhere we have a super majority? Maybe it was somebody's wish.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 07, 2012 05:22 PM (wSTfB)

291 Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2012 05:17 PM (g7D8V)

As a Christian I faced the same quandry but I decided that I will no longer give to charity though I will give when directly confronted with need. I figure the more we prop up the consequences of liberal policies by giving to charity, the more we are harming the needy in the long run.

Posted by: polynikes at November 07, 2012 05:22 PM (m2CN7)

292 Will this affect the new Secretary of Business?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 05:22 PM (1Jaio)

293 The Federalist Papers
‎"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the 'new, wonderful good society' which shall now be Rome, interpreted to mean 'more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.'"

– Marcus Tullius Cicero

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 05:23 PM (ck76k)

294 280 Someone talk me off the ledge here.

I have always given to charity--really more than I can afford. My rationale was always that if I didn't want the .gov doling out charity, then I should.

And I'm now starting to see things the way Ayn Rand did. It seems pointless to give money to the takers. It won't ease their hatred of you. It will only make them want more.

As a Christian, I don't want to feel that way. But I'm starting to--in addition to crippling taxes, I deprive myself to provide for the poor, and they hate me for it.

I'm not doing anything rash while I'm pissed off, but I'm tempted to turn off the spigot and put it into my own savings. charity begins at home.

Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2012 05:17 PM (g7D8V)

--Instead of donating money, give time. That will not only not take food from your family, but also allows you to connect personally with those you help. If you want a spotless place and are keen on the Christian angle, try to find out is there is a Missionaries of Charity (the order Mother Teresa founded) house in your neck of the woods --they don't just work in poor countries, after all.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 05:23 PM (jKE+Z)

295 remember when 154 billion would actually put a dent in the deficit?


Posted by: vikingsfan at November 07, 2012 05:19 PM (crMa0)

Fiscal Year 2007 to be precise.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 05:24 PM (NzBQO)

296 "they will just not give a shit"
We're called honey badgers.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 07, 2012 05:24 PM (wSTfB)

297
Charity starts at home Paladine.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 05:25 PM (PHb2k)

298 If I am Boehner, I get everyone together and do 3 things. Pass the "Binder full of women act", prohibiting government employees from utilizing a binder when making hiring decisions. Pass the "Protect Big Bird Act", ensuring PBS stays fully funded through 2016. Finally, suck it up a little bit and pass the the "Ask the wealthiest to pay a little more because it's the right thing to do act", taxing the richest 2% another 4% more.

Pass them all tomorrow, then on Friday tell America we just passed Obama's campaign agenda.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 05:26 PM (UvR6d)

299 "To not be pillaged by looting barbarians in a few years.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 05:14 PM (uhAkr)"Yeah, I was already shouldering more than my "fair share", according to the Tax Foundation, before last night. I can only dream about the new, more encompassing definition of "fair share" I will be shouldering in the coming days.I honestly think there is a flip side to the whole "when 50%+1 of voters get more benefits than they pay in taxes, they'll just keep voting for more taxes" and it's "when 50%+1 pay more in taxes than they get in benefits, they'll vote against more taxes".When you consider just how concentrated the benefits of Obama's policies are, I wouldn't be surprised if we get there. He's buying votes, but he's buying them in small quantities with large payoffs. Solyndra, for example, benefited a few dozen people, right? I guess the workers got a year or so of salary as well, but even that was only about 1,000 people, as I recall.
As much as we can debate about the term "benefits", the Tax Foundation claims that it isn't until you get over $100K in AGI that you start to pay in more than you get out in government bennies. That means that really only about 20% of households pay in more than they get out, which, to me, has always been the explanation for why cutting spending hasn't been popular. People are, on average, getting subsidized. As Obama reaches into the middle class to pay for his welfare state, that 20% of households will grow. When it reaches 50%+1, there will be an opportunity for a reaction against further growth in the welfare state, as people realize they are paying in more than they are getting out.There is definitely a principled opposition to spending as well, so getting to 50%+1 in actually households paying in more than they get out isn't going to be necessary, but clearly the percentage of households paying in more than they get out has to be higher than 20% for actual spending cuts to occur.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 05:29 PM (P2Ufm)

300 charity begins at home.
Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2012 05:17 PM (g7D8V)

Join a church and only give to them. You'll then know where and to who the money is going. You might even have some say in it.

Don't give to national or even state charities anymore.

They got upset with Romney collecting stuff for donation. Said they wanted money.

They wanted money cause then they can spend it where they want and to who they want. Stuff has to go to those in need because storage is impossible or too costly. See how that works? But the media disparaged Romney because he wouldn't go along with their plan.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 05:29 PM (SP4jC)

301 As for charity I signed our work's CFC form to give to our local doggie kitteh shelters. They shouldn't have to suffer because of the drones.

Posted by: Cheri at November 07, 2012 05:29 PM (G+Wff)

302
If I am Boehner, I get everyone together and do 3 things. Pass the
"Binder full of women act", prohibiting government employees from
utilizing a binder when making hiring decisions. Pass the "Protect Big
Bird Act", ensuring PBS stays fully funded through 2016. Finally, suck
it up a little bit and pass the the "Ask the wealthiest to pay a little
more because it's the right thing to do act", taxing the richest 2%
another 4% more.



Pass them all tomorrow, then on Friday tell America we just passed Obama's campaign agenda.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 05:26 PM (UvR6d)


And giving Sandy Fuck a year's worth of birth control and then everyone can fuck the shit out of her

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 05:32 PM (1Jaio)

303 I find if you donate too much money people start to expect it, they won't appreciate you as a person either, logprof is right about giving time. This is true of every alma mater ever, they start treating you like a piggy bank and whine when you don't donate.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 05:34 PM (NzBQO)

304 "And giving Sandy Fuck a year's worth of birth control and then everyone can fuck the shit out of her"
I second that proposal and SLOPPY SECONDS!!!!!

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 07, 2012 05:34 PM (wSTfB)

305 And giving Sandy Fuck a year's worth of birth control and then everyone can fuck the shit out of her
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 05:32 PM (1Jaio)

-----

Oh yeah, the "Free Contraception Stimulus Act". Forgot about that one. Everyone gets a government sanctioned condom in the mail. The project will be given to a startup led by big contributors, and the condom will have a 40% fail rate. Hey, Boehner's intentions are pure and that's what really counts.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 05:36 PM (UvR6d)

306 Electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket.

Only for the people who pay for it.

Posted by: d_fitz at November 07, 2012 05:37 PM (vu3g7)

307 Dropping down out of the food thread and the feel good thread to mention that Cringley (Robert X. Cringley) on InfoWorld dot com has a very interesting 2 page article about Big Data's impact upon the election. Lessons learned, etc.

Posted by: and irresolute at November 07, 2012 05:37 PM (DBH1h)

308
Section. 7.All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives...
Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises
Republican House to Mr Resident: pound sand...

Posted by: affenhauer at November 07, 2012 05:37 PM (7QZ6R)

309 And giving Sandy Fuck a year's worth of birth control and then everyone can fuck the shit out of her


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 05:32 PM (1Jaio)


yeah....Go to bed tonight knowing SHE WON.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 05:39 PM (UK9cE)

310 Thank goodness I burned that big ass brushpile this morning.

Posted by: harleycowboy at November 07, 2012 05:53 PM (JKGfQ)

311
esch
Where in Minnesota?

Posted by: KC at November 07, 2012 05:54 PM (i7KmQ)

312 In other words the carbon tax will cost about 10% ad much as the Afghan war ? Could we have the carbon tax and day 90% Afghan war?

Posted by: occam at November 07, 2012 06:02 PM (EIgDF)

313 People livin in the 50's or what? It's not a carbon TAX, its a carbon revenue.

Posted by: Difnick at November 07, 2012 06:51 PM (2t6Gz)

314 This won't affect prices. I'm sure the energy companies will just dip into their massive pots of surplus money and gladly pay up. You Republicans are so reactionary.

Posted by: red speck at November 07, 2012 06:56 PM (9Xu0X)

315 I suppose there will be waivers for "the poor"

And Obama's friends, just like the Obamacare waivers.

They should just come right out and say Republicans only must pay the carbon tax as they believe there are no poor Republicans.

Posted by: Decaf at November 07, 2012 07:25 PM (+Bpfx)

316 Add that to the CA energy taxes and that leaves us cold in the winter and hot in summer.

But I deserve it.

Posted by: PJ at November 07, 2012 07:38 PM (DQHjw)

317 Another lunatic idea certain to crash before it has a chance to burn out the rest of the economy. One bright hope in this post-election fugue is that the idiot left will be so emboldened by their "mandate" that they will double-down on their ass-hattery.

Posted by: jackson_murrell at November 07, 2012 08:05 PM (tL2Qr)

318 Yeah right, like everybody's going to sit still while Obama's government reaches into their pockets and squeezes their balls year after year. These people actually think that the objects of their legislation will just sit there producing as usual and not evading their greasy sweaty fingers. What a f*ing fairytale world they live in.

Posted by: ladyhawk at November 08, 2012 07:35 PM (rjvhv)






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