Top Headline Comments 11-7-12

Walp... back to work.

We struggled through four years under that idiot, we'll just have to struggle through four more. And, happily, he won't have a Democratic Congress with which to ram his second-term agenda through, at least during the next two years. Now it's our job to make sure our congresscritters don't lose their spine. Major items on the agenda: (1) sequestration and budget; (2) the debt limit; (3) taxes. Other issues that would require control of the Senate, like nixing Supreme Court nominees and chipping away at Obamacare, are basically conceded.

Colorado and Washington, meanwhile, voted to approve state initiatives legalizing marijuana. So, if you live in those states, raise a bowl for us.

Alabama, Wyoming, and maybe Montana approved measures to amend their state constitutions to prohibit people from being compelled to participate in Obamacare. Lawsuits will ensue, but here's hoping.

Maryland, Maine, and Washington approved initiatives legalizing gay marriage. Minnesota became the first state to reject a ballot initiative to amend their constitution to ban gay marriage.

I will probably tune out the storm of accusations and recriminations that are coming. Gov. Romney ran a strong campaign. His error, one that all of us in the Republican Party shared, was in not realizing just how far the election in 2008 had shifted voter demographics in presidential elections. We were led astray by the unusual win in 2010. We believed that 2008 had been an aberration, rather than a new normal.

Do not believe any nonsense that this is the end of the GOP. Democrats say that every time. Tea Partiers also say that. The fact is that the popular vote was 48% to 50%. That's amazingly close. It means that almost one out of two people agreed with you and are hurting today because of it. The President lacks a mandate and, as we have seen, lacks the skills to effectively govern this country. Sit tight. As the man said: do it for love of country. And, as the other man said: if you must, do it for revenge.

Edited to Add: Major props to CAC and JohnE for their work on the AOSHQ Decision Desk. It was an amazing resource last night. Maybe one or both of them will write a post about all the work, the behind-the-scenes maneuvering, the volunteers that made it possible. I hope so.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:56 AM



Comments

1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 06:58 AM (nUH8H)

2 On the up side, I don't have to change that for the next four years. On the down side, I don't have to change that for the next four years.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (nUH8H)

3 I'm still alive. As far as I'm concerned, that counts for a lot. I'm disappointed but life has a way of doing that to you from time to time.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (6I+f5)

4 All the bush league batters
Are left to die on the diamond
In the stands the home crowd scatters
For the turnstiles

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (UA8DK)

5 Daryl Issa you magnificent bastard! Bring the thunder!

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (Pu81c)

6 Good Morning Morons. Today is Wednesday, November 07, 2012. On this day in 1874 the Republican Party was first symbolized as an Elephant by Thomas Nast. Today it is symbolized by a turd.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)

7 George Allen is a dud, has always been a dud, and dragged Virginia under.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (UA8DK)

8 Screwed, blued, and tattooed. It is as O’Reilley said last night in the beginning. 50% of America wants them some free stuff. America is now finished because not only will we have 4 more years of communist government, but also he will likely get to appoint 3 liberal SC justices.


Looking at the maps it is the same old die-hard blue States carrying the JEF over the line. His supporters do not give a damn that they are unemployed. They like it that way. And finally, did the stupid primary rules and even more stupid “debates” give us the right candidate? The Republican Party needs to do some serious soul searching. Looking at the map it doesn’t look like it would have made much difference but you can not tell until the final vote count is in. I would like to see what turnout in VA and OH looks like.

http://is.gd/M0gZxp

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)

9 And MA proves once again if you have a D after your name you can be elected even though you are a national joke.

http://is.gd/WSb34b

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)

10 Today is a good day to become an alcoholic.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (9kIzV)

11 And thanks to stupid comments which were blown out of proportion by the MFM we did not take the Senate either. In fact, I blame the MFM for this whole election fiasco.

http://is.gd/DaV0oo

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

12 Dollar falls as confidence in the dollar evaporates due to Obama win.

http://is.gd/RdBF5a

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

13 In a rare bit of good news from last night the Republican won the new SC 7th district seat.

http://is.gd/fv8rdZ

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

14 For SC voters the Lt Gov question on the ballot was approved.

http://is.gd/HyHu6l

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

15 NRO says the same thing O’Reilley said, Americans want them some free stuff. But I think mainly it was about the MFM who has gone all out for the Dems. As Caudell said, they ARE the enemy.

http://is.gd/3Nlz6k

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:02 AM (YdQQY)

16 Kindle Daily Deal:

Sly Fox


Emmy-winning Judge Jeanine Pirro has brilliantly leveraged her legal experience to create a gripping debut set in Westchester, New York, during 1976. It's a town suffering from rampant cocaine abuse, a fraternity-like courthouse, and a culture of domestic violence. Enter Dani Fox, an ambitious 25-year-old assistant district attorney seeking justice.


And that’s it for this blue Wednesday

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:02 AM (YdQQY)

17 10 Today is a good day to become an alcoholic.
Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (9kIzV)


I was hoping to sober up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 07, 2012 07:02 AM (3Y7RV)

18 I refused to watch the results when it became obvious that what I wanted to happen wasn't even be close to happening. I thought I'd just go to sleep and drown it all out but just lay there feeling empty. Maybe at some point I won't feel empty but right now that seems a long way away. I'd like to feel optimistic about something but currently I'm tapped out.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 07, 2012 07:03 AM (sw/4Y)

19 Who wants to bet in four years we have our debates moderated again by the MSNBC cable lineup?

Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 07:03 AM (9kIzV)

20 So the American people have spoken: we wants the guvment goodies, but we ain't gonna pay for them.

We are Greece.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 07, 2012 07:04 AM (BeSEI)

21 Is it true Allen West lost? How fucked up are people for that to happen? And fuck Macaca Allen; that stupid cocksucker should just hang himself for losing to that goof Tim Kaine.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 07, 2012 07:05 AM (sw/4Y)

22 It may not be the end of the Republican Party, but what kind of party will it have to become as it tries to attract the 47% (soon to become 57% and then 67%)? We surrender on what? We throw the wealthy and the small business owners under the bus to assuage the demands of the greedy non-producers? We surrender on language, borders, and culture because the horse is out and it's too late to close the barn door? We remove all semblance of being a Constitutional Republic - where the citizen is protected from an overbearing and rapacious imperial federal government - in favor of the tax-and-spend nanny state? It was a good run, but we didn't manage to keep our republic for all that long.

Posted by: Buddha at November 07, 2012 07:05 AM (8NlUk)

23 Let's show some backbone around here, folks. Some of our number around here are acting as though standing foreign armies are encamped on our land and laying waste to Americans everywhere. I loathe the politics of Obama as much as anyone, but let's sober up around here--literally--and act like men and not a bunch of statist pussies.

Posted by: Nils Barton at November 07, 2012 07:05 AM (6J8+j)

24 g*d dammit. 4 more years of mooch? i am feeling... stabby.

Posted by: whiskey tango at November 07, 2012 07:06 AM (JvP2I)

25 Vic,
Thanks for the links. If we are talking good news, close friend helped win us NC governor race. The small things is all I have to hold on to.

Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 07:06 AM (M/XKe)

26 I think the house should never block another bill for the next four years. Give JEF anything he asks for. And stand in front of the cameras and express your willingness to help him accomplish everything he wants. In four years when we are well and truly fucked as a nation, we burn it down and start over.

That and I'll be drinking a lot. 2008 was a disappointment. Today I feel like I woke up to half the country punching me in the nuts. The worst part is watching family members in PA gloating about it on Facebook. I may never go to another family reunion.

Posted by: DennisInKy at November 07, 2012 07:06 AM (LIe5C)

27 @15 those where my two thoughts all night as to why we lost. America wants free stuff and have no idea of the true state of the republic thanks to the msm. They have damaged America far more than Obama. Without the msm there is no Obama. Damn them to hell.

Posted by: Levi at November 07, 2012 07:06 AM (ouu3l)

28 Who wants to bet in four years we have our debates moderated again by the MSNBC cable lineup?

Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 07:03 AM (9kIzV)

That will likely be my last election. If the Repubs don't make some serious changes I will abandon them.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:06 AM (YdQQY)

29 Someone dug these numbers up on the below thread:
Voter turnout
1996 – 94,683,948

2000 – 101,455,899 (+7%)

2004 – 121,069,054 (+19%)

2008 – 129,389,711 (+7%)

2012 – 115,562,372 (-11%)

>??????????????

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (feFL6)

30 The House needs to refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Let's see how the Democrat coalition looks after everyone takes a 40% haircut on their free shit.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (OY/SZ)

31
It's fucking OVER Malor. Go read up on the national debt and the effect it has on economies. By the end of this Obama term the country will be entirely fucked, owing more money than can ever be paid back. Taxes and the welfare state will be permanant features as it will be impossible to remove them without instantly impoverishing half the country. The America you grew up in is dead, it's been deliberately destroyed in an effort to recreate it as a socialist republic. That effort succeeded last night. Fight if you wantto, but the ship is holed and we are all going down with it. You efforts, my efforts, everyones are now futile, except as an act of pride. Great nations have fallen throughout history, despite what the best men in them could do. So has this one.

Posted by: Mr Black at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (JtOFX)

32 Ouch. Well that's going to leave a mark!! Be of good cheer my friends.

Posted by: NativeNH at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (HAz0h)

33 The GOP establishment geniuses foisted McCain and Romney on us.

And today they'll be screaming, "Need to moderate! Need to moderate!"

Maybe Christie was on to something hugging Obama. He realized the key to the GOP nomination was being the least loyal party number. Looking forward to Fat Romney heading the ticket next time.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (MSrqi)

34 I say the GOP House come out against loudly everything Obama wants, but give it to him. Then at the end of four years, say I told you so you morons.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (Gr8DF)

35 I'm used to hating my president. It just feels natural now.

Posted by: Dang at November 07, 2012 07:08 AM (R18D0)

36 23
Let's show some backbone around here, folks. Some of our number around
here are acting as though standing foreign armies are encamped on our
land and laying waste to Americans everywhere.


Well, Obamacare is now the law of the land.

Permanently.

That's America as we know it (in the most intimate sense, our healthcare) transformed.

Yeah, I'd say this is a pretty traumatic defeat.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 07:08 AM (tUcg9)

37 I want to hear TFG answer the questions on Benghazi. Maybe the Press can take the gloves off.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 07:09 AM (VMcEw)

38 The women, young, single women and clueless housewives who were somehow afraid of Rowe v. Wade being overturned gave this to Obama.

Men were strong with Romney.

Posted by: nobarmnofoul at November 07, 2012 07:09 AM (dNhvi)

39 8 50% of America wants them some free stuff.

And they are gonna shit when they find out that there is no one left to pay for it.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 07:09 AM (d0Dmj)

40 Just did the math. 117.5 million votes in. Probably more still out there. How many more is the question...

Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 07:10 AM (M/XKe)

41 The campaign should have done this; it should have done that...

Whatever. It's the electorate. And if handouts are what it wants, then the GOP is doomed to be a minority party. So be it.

Who knew the American electorate would pretty much vote like the Venezuelan electorate.

And, by the way, we can dispense with "This is still a center-right country," because obviously it ain't.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:11 AM (MSrqi)

42 Oh yeah (I mean it, not sarcastically): I blame women.

I am a woman. But fucking women fell for the most pathetic con-man campaign of all time.

I'm ashamed of my gender.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 07:11 AM (tUcg9)

43 Thanks Ace and all the cob-bloggers for all the hard work you guys have done over the last many months on election coverage. You have been my go-to source for news, information, analysis and comraderie.


I have nothing much to offer this morning. Wish I did. Been up for a while now, I think I will try going back to bed.


For the next four years.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 07:11 AM (P6QsQ)

44 Staples ran out of pink paper at O-dark-thirty this morning.

Posted by: Stick at November 07, 2012 07:13 AM (mlrnK)

45
This election was like taking a million dollar loan for a vacation. Everyone has a great time for a short time but the debt is now there forever. You can't "fight" the debt or try harder against the debt or hope to do better with the next loan. Some decisions are taken in an instant and last a lifetime. This election was one of them.We'll never do anything but work and hand over our money to the debt. That is their plan, because we can't undo it, ever.
Happy talk about the next election or struggling over this bill or that is rediculous. We've lost.

Posted by: Mr Black at November 07, 2012 07:13 AM (JtOFX)

46 I promise to be as supportive of the President as the libs were after the 2004 election.

Bring on the Fast & Furious and Benghazi investigations.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:13 AM (MSrqi)

47 Bachmann squeaked out a win.

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 07:13 AM (appbn)

48 Demographics-shmemographics. It's time to kill that propaganda once and for all. You think having even more pot-heads and "married" fags is good for anyone? When you're ambushed (and the Commie-fag-junkies have to cheat to win. Period.), you don't mention in passing that you like the enemy's cigarets, too, and that you and Bruno are pretty tight back at the crib, you, in the immortal words of Roy Boehm (I believe this is the correct attribution), "fuck the fucking fuckers!" In other words, your Claymores now say 'front toward Left'.
Can I get an "AMEN"?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (1V6Pv)

49 19
Who wants to bet in four years we have our debates moderated again by the MSNBC cable lineup?

There won't BE debates in 4 years. America's financials won't allow it. America's money supply isn't infinite. 2 years at best. 3 at the outside. THEN Obamacare DEMANDS to be fed.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (d0Dmj)

50 If we truly are the minority now, fine. Im not going to change and "adapt". Im not going to change my principals and beliefs because others do. I refuse to give in to things like believing abortion is okay. I refuse to believe in free stuff and big government. I refuse to believe I need to start kissing up to people just because they are a different color than me or are gay. I dont hate any group of people, race or who they want to screw, but I will not bow to them and kiss their asses either just to get their support.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (Gr8DF)

51 Prescient

http://tinyurl.com/a6xgl8g

PJTV
Stealing the Election: Will Voter Fraud Be at an All-Time High?











Posted by: panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (BAnPT)

52 The women, young, single women and clueless housewives who were somehow
afraid of Rowe v. Wade being overturned gave this to Obama. Posted by: nobarmnofoul

Baby killers and welfare bums now run the country. I will look on every uptick in the unemployment rate during 2013 with a smile on my face.

Posted by: Dang at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (R18D0)

53 Hey, mama winger I got something to cheer you up...
Only once has the losing VP candidate gone on to win
the presidency. Then went on to serve three terms.

So there's one precedent.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (feFL6)

54 34 -

That's just it though, Obama doesn't want anything. He already got it.

The House can sit on its collective hands (and probably will) for the next 4 years, Obama wins by keeping his first term "accomplishments" in place, and letting government spending go up by inertia.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (BeSEI)

55 @36

I know that. But it's not standing foreign armies. Not yet it's not. The gloom and doom around here is thick as pea soup and it's obnoxious.

Posted by: Nils Barton at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (6J8+j)

56 @42 Yep...right there with you. My dumb prog sisters are rejoicing this morning. Their old uteri are safe from Akin! But, their wealth, not so much.

Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (JZBti)

57 "Well, Obamacare is now the law of the land. "

I didn't hear much about Obamacare diring the campaign. I heard people screaming "It's the economy, stupid!"

Mathematics will step in eventually. You will probably be paying eighty dollars for a loaf of bread when it does, of course. The system will crash, and many taxpayers will be killed by rioting vandals.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (uhAkr)

58 4 More Years without Congressional Budgets

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 07:15 AM (BAnPT)

59 I am a woman. But fucking women fell for the most pathetic con-man campaign of all time.

I'm ashamed of my gender.


Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 07:11 AM (tUcg9)

If you look at the exit polls from 2008 it wasn't women in general going for Obama. It was minority women by 96%. A majority of white women went for McCain. I suspect it will be the same this year.

So the minority block vote edges the split white vote. And as I said earlier, I want to see what the vote breakdowns in VA, OH, and NC are.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:15 AM (YdQQY)

60 What to say?????? I feel like doom and gloom but I wish you all a good morning. I do not understand last night at all. How do we fire MSM?

Posted by: macintx at November 07, 2012 07:15 AM (teREJ)

61 I think we have entered a phase known as 'punt watch'.

Stories such as:
-Fast and furious
-Benghazi
-EPA regs (ohioans take note)
-Keystone/drilling

Feel free to add those I have missed.

Posted by: moom at November 07, 2012 07:15 AM (XV9ZM)

62 George W. Bush never made the case, in word or deed, for limited government. He paved the demographic road we're on. In brilliant fucking alabaster.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 07, 2012 07:16 AM (UA8DK)

63 Well, here in NC we had two of the small bits of good news from last night. The Governor is now Pat McCrory, a Republican and former mayor of Charlotte, taking that away from the Rats (the incumbent, Bev "Sugar Dumplin'" Perdue, wisely refused to run). And here in the 8th Congressional District, R Richard Hudson beat D Larry Kissell.

But otherwise it feels like two tiny flickering candles in a massive inky sea of blackness.

Oops, guess that makes me a racist.

Posted by: Moose4 at November 07, 2012 07:16 AM (W15Fy)

64 The welfare office is down the street from my office so i gots that going for me.

Posted by: Talibill at November 07, 2012 07:16 AM (WEWGu)

65 saw where the country was heading and what was coming before obama ran the first time.
my family is just more determined to do what needs to be done for us and ours, got rid of all debt a few years ago and owe nothing to nobody so we can go about our lives in-spite of the idiots around us.
God Bless America.

Posted by: trailortrash at November 07, 2012 07:16 AM (xllDV)

66 I'm pretty new at commenting here, and I'm hurting bad from last night's results.

But I'm not going anywhere. Helps to be among like-minded people. Hope ya don't mind having me.

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 07:17 AM (appbn)

67 11 Vic,

Yeah about that. I'll know in the next three months whether I'll be nobly poor or not. It's time to destroy journalists.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 07:17 AM (LRFds)

68 The demographics have NOT shifted. It was out-and-out voter fraud. We did not*only* win the midterms so they were NOT an aberration. We *also* won the 2009 governors' races AND the '11 Walker recall. Those electionswere the normal. They are bookended by potus elections stolen by O.PERIOD. We have proof, but Mitt conceded too early.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 07:17 AM (KL49F)

69 Stuart Varney says tax increases are certain.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:17 AM (YdQQY)

70 Well, we do live in interesting times. I'mnot thrilledliving in a Chinese curse though.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (N2J9j)

71
I want to hear TFG answer the questions on Benghazi.


It will never ever happen now.


I will admit, I am full of despair. The American public spoke and said burn the Math Witch. The Math Witch will always, always win.

The only positive side I can see for me is that hey I'm going to get my student loans totally forgiven so there's that. C'mon, you know I'm right and you know that's coming.




Posted by: alexthechick at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (Gk3SS)

72 Damn! I feel so European all of a sudden. C'est la vie, n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: phil-inn at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (3dAId)

73 It's silly to blame voter fraud.

I had this same argument with a friend over the Venezuelan election. He was sure Chavez had stolen the election. I assured him, having lived there, that Venezuelans are lazy sods and would cheerfully support a guy promising handouts.

Now Americans have become Venezuelans. "Browner", as Kirsten Powers put it.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (MSrqi)

74 What sickens me most is seeing these complete morons cheering and partying. It's like cheering because you're favorite athlete won a popularity contest, even though he sucked and his team lost over and over. Pure stupidity.
Hate to say it, hate to admit it, but I hope this country falls further over the next few years. Maybe that is what it will take to wake up a bunch of morons.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (Gr8DF)

75 What Hate said, I feel empty. Why am I crying?

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (Vk6ZI)

76 Does anyone read this far down?

You know what this election has taught me? How fast I can adjust to the 'new normal'. I don't know what this election really means, but I do know that smart, resourceful people will eventually win out over lazy parasites. The tax department hoovers up everything I earn, and very day, in the way to work, I walk past welfare scum sitting in the park getting drunk, but you know what? I wouldn't trade places with them for anything.

In the end we win, one way or the other. We're strong, they're weak. We pay for ourselves, they wait for a handout. In the end, once they have created a desert they themselves are ill-equipped to survive in, we will come out on top.

We're the people. Not the tape worms, not the leeches, not the parasites- the people who do things. we'll win. One way or the other.

Posted by: Amos at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (m+ljp)

77 23
Some of our number around
here are acting as though standing foreign armies are encamped on our
land and laying waste to Americans everywhere.


============


I'd be less depressed if this were the case....

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2012 07:19 AM (X6akg)

78 Eskimo.

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 07:19 AM (a5ljo)

79 Dear Socialist America- I want a divorce.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 07:19 AM (/eBe8)

80
Pennsylvania and Michigan have now gone D in the last six presidential elections. Swing states my ass. Why can't we seem to break through there, especially in the Philly and Detroit suburbs? The almighty sacrament of abortion trumps 7.9% unemployment-- unthinkable 20 years ago.

Iowa and Wisconsin are two other Midwestern states that confound. But Ohio did go to zero by 2 points-- and by the identical 50-48 that was his national margin. IA and WI are always to the left of Ohio at the presidential level so I guess it kind of makes sense. There was something that no one was picking up on in the last 10 days, despite all of the huge rallies and "Minnesota and Pennsylvania are in play" and "Romney's up 1 in Michigan" euphoria on the righty sites.

Was it Sandy? The "empathy gap", likeability, all of the above? Jesus H. Christ we're fucked.

Posted by: GeorgieBoy at November 07, 2012 07:19 AM (jRsDv)

81 OUTRAGE OF THE MOMENT

Chris Mathews exclaiming last night "I am so glad we had that storm last week!"

So billions in damage, hundreds of deaths, thousands homeless, and millions without power, but at least at helped his guy get good optics and win an election.

NY/NJ people that are aware of his statement are furious.

And, and Chris Christie, you are dead to me. The MFM is gonna say we lost because we dragged Romney too far to the right and it will be all RINO, all the time

We will spend the next decade debating who will give you the most stuff in the best way.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (Dnbau)

82 You people need to wake the fuck up.

Romney was a good candidate? Fuck that. We threw a milquetoast Mormon paper Ken doll into the ring when we needed a fucking warrior.

Four years of utter incompetence and corruption and we STILL couldn't beat them.

Anybody with half a fucking brain knows the GOP is worthless and impotent now.

We should be fucking ashamed of ourselves.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (oxs+O)

83 Sorry. I meant to say eskimo.

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (a5ljo)

84 Okay, I know this isn't a Sunday Book Thread, but does anyone know any good books about the Bolshevik Revolution?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (/eBe8)

85 We have to take back the schools. And it may even be way too late for that.

We are now going down a road into completely uncharted territory.

Dear Lord, give us the strength.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (XkWWK)

86 Delusion:



Ace: Romney 348- Obama 190

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (HL0e9)

87 America is becoming Spain.

The economy is going to shit, and everybody speaks Spanish.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (MSrqi)

88 Conspiracy theory I am open to: Todd Akin was really a Dem. Sure, why not?


Posted by: Shoot Me at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (qiXMt)

89 I’m sure I speak for a lot of the Horde when I say I feel sicker than any hangover’s ever gotten me. I felt bad in 2008, but I knew we were going to lose; and hey, the SCOAMF was a red diaper doper baby, but perhaps Congress would keep him in check. Now? Forget it. He’s got his precious ‘flexibility.’

And to anyone hoping that Benghazi will be his Watergate – I want what you’re smoking. That worthless cocksucker Boehner is, I’m sure, already calling the caucus saying, “he’s got a mandate! We’ve got to be good Americans and get behind the president!”

I see on the other threads that a lot of you are figuring out how to go Galt and pulling off the web. I’m doing the same. I’m sick of playing a chump. It’s time to sign up for every free program I can and also figure out how Mrs P and I can skip out on the mortgage. And as far as personal relationships – I’ve already blocked the few Obama voters I know from my phone and e-mail lists. I have also told Mrs P that, while I can’t tell her what friends to have, none of her Obama friends are to set foot in the house ever again. I do not want to see them, talk to them or have them on my property. I will physically hurt them if they do.

I’m also pulling out of the web for a few months. No AoS, no Insty, no anybody. No newspapers, no radio except for the weather. If 53% want the country to die, then in the words of Admiral James T. Kirk, ”let them die.” I have reached the end of the line. If you vote Democrat, you are not my countryman. You are a traitor, a parasite and a devotee to the party of Moloch. I have no wish for you other than that you reap the whirlwind you deserve.

So here’s a Hollywood story. You’ll forgive me if I have little enthusiasm for a long story today:

With the coming of television, studios were desperate to get people back in the theaters, and this meant the creation of ever vaster photography – Cinerama, VistaVision, Technicolor, “stereophonic sound” and so on. In 1956 came out a Cinerama picture called Seven Wonders of the World, basically a travelogue designed to overwhelm the viewer with the power of movies. In one sequence, the camera follows a man (really an actor) who is determined to get his family to St. Peter’s Square to be blessed by Pope Pius XII on Easter Sunday.

To get a good shot, the director built a platform facing the balcony where His Holiness would appear. Pius was very interested in the goings on, and asked a number of questions about the how and why of film technique, so courtly and charming that the crew were absolutely won over and what had begun as a difficult project turned into a labor of love.

Finally came Easter Sunday. The Square was full. The cameras were rolling. The pope stepped on to the balcony and blessed the faithful. “Cut and print,” the director ordered. “Thank you, Your Holiness.”

But the pope wasn’t so easily satisfied. “If you don’t mind, could we do it over again?” he asked. “I’m sure I can do it better.”

I’m sorry I can’t hope you all have a wonderful day; I’d feel like a hypocrite. If you’re a classical movie buff, I’d listen to Mozart’s Requiem today. Dies Irae, indeed.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (zF6Iw)

90 84 Okay, I know this isn't a Sunday Book Thread, but does anyone know any good books about the Bolshevik Revolution?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (/eBe

Arthur Koestler "Darkness At Noon"

John Reed "10 Days that Shook the World" (though he was a commie lover)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (XkWWK)

91 Ace: Romney 348- Obama 190


Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (HL0e9)

Get lost. What was your prediction numb nuts?

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (Gr8DF)

92 Demographics is Destiny.

Your party is fucked

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (HL0e9)

93 >>Do not believe any nonsense that this is the end of the GOP. Democrats say that every time. Tea Partiers also say that.<<

Spoken like someone with a terminal case of Inside-the-Beltway Brain. But no, the GOP won't end...unfortunately for all of us, since it might be replaced by a part that could actually win elections.

Gabe, if think this election indicates that all the GOP needs to do is find another bland, middle of the road candidate to nominate and just do a teensy bit of recalibrating to win then you are smoking what they just made legal in all those states.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:22 AM (qEkGZ)

94 And, and Chris Christie, you are dead to me. The MFM is gonna say we
lost because we dragged Romney too far to the right and it will be all
RINO, all the time


Well, he was never exactly my hero to begin with, but we know that it wasn't the storm that did it.

50+% of Americans just voted that those of us who actually work for a living have to give the produce of our labor to them for free.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 07:22 AM (/eBe8)

95 But I'm not going anywhere. Helps to be among like-minded people. Hope ya don't mind having me.
Posted by: TLGM

Yes it does and you are welcome here.

Posted by: macintx at November 07, 2012 07:22 AM (teREJ)

96 Posted by: Dang at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (R18D0)

Hey. I didn't sell my tools. Some of us scraped by hoping we'd get some adults back in power and we wouldn't be "shadow" labor any longer.

Not everyone can go get another desk-jockey job.

And not every unemployed is looking for a handout.

Posted by: blehzor at November 07, 2012 07:22 AM (s9K+V)

97 50
If we truly are the minority now, fine.

If? Then I want a TON of free shit. AND politicians ball washing me.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 07:22 AM (d0Dmj)

98 my family is just more determined to do what needs
to be done for us and ours, got rid of all debt a few years ago and owe
nothing to nobody so we can go about our lives in-spite of the idiots
around us.
God Bless America.



Posted by: trailortrash


Austerity begins at home. We're debt free. Have savings. We won't be participating much in the economy for a while. Watching blue states wither is my new entertainment.

Posted by: Dang at November 07, 2012 07:23 AM (R18D0)

99 "And, by the way, we can dispense with "This is still a center-right country," because obviously it ain't."
This.

Posted by: Ezra's Equal at November 07, 2012 07:23 AM (i+2/C)

100 92 Lachlan,

yeah well the last whites in this country will be my grandkids.

You fucking retards aborted yours by the bushel.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 07:23 AM (LRFds)

101 10 Today is a good day to become an alcoholic.
Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (9kIzV)



Gonna get started on that about 1030Hrs. Fuck it. I'm gonna get bombed.

At least I stashed a good supply of Labatts® Blue. Can't take that away, you Statist bastards.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 07:23 AM (HKONC)

102 Another tough part about this is seeing MSNBC types rejoice and the hollywood liberals partying with the President. Those people make me sick

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 07:23 AM (Gr8DF)

103 The future is bleak indeed. A quick rundown of the racial demographics for the presidential vote show that the latino vote was heavily in favor of the dems. Now latino are very conservative as far as society goes but they love governmental handouts. They showed their conservatism on the prop 8 vote and have shown their love of government money in the presidential vote. And the latino demographic will increase. How long before 'undocumented' americans get the vote? I say 3 years.

Posted by: moom at November 07, 2012 07:24 AM (XV9ZM)

104 Gabe,

Your prediction was off. You were a Pollyanna.

Do you want to explain how you got it so wrong?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:24 AM (SKX2R)

105 92 Demographics is Destiny.

Your party is fucked
Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (HL0e9)


What happens when all the money, food, energy and productivity you rob from us runs out - and we are all gone?

Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, pal.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:24 AM (XkWWK)

106 Who wants to bet in four years we have our debates moderated again by the MSNBC cable lineup?

Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 07:03 AM (9kIzV)

No thanks. That's a sucker's bet.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:24 AM (qEkGZ)

107 US Army Major Hasan has yet to be tried by ANY Court of Law for his jihad terrorist attack slaughtering Americans at Fort Hood in Texas.

The Beard prevents a court appearance, 4 more years.

Subsequently, US victims are suing in civil court that their "work place" wasn't secure.


Posted by: panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 07:24 AM (BAnPT)

108 Feeling so weird - sorta mad, but more sad. What the hell happened last night? The potheads, dreamers, and moochers spoke up, I guess.

Posted by: Ezra's Equal at November 07, 2012 07:24 AM (i+2/C)

109 Excellent advice Gabriel!

Posted by: USNA1985 at November 07, 2012 07:24 AM (E0PaU)

110 The press is saying that Romney lost by picking Paul Ryan. They're comparing that to McCain picking Sarah. Both presidential candidates were, they say, dragged down by their extremist running mates. All while a Marxist sits in the White House?

Posted by: Buddha at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (8NlUk)

111 82 So, who would have done better? Perry? Santorum? Bachmann? Gingrich? The Quitter?

Do tell!

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (qiXMt)

112 Well the auto bailout must have been a good thing after all. Expecting to see millions and millions of Obama voters going out and buying a new GM vehicle. No down payment and no payments for 5 years.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (Pu81c)

113 Speaking of Spanish, Fox is reporting this morning that the Hispanics in South Florida are increasingly becoming Puerto Ricans and they are delivering FL to the commies. The older Cubans were strong Republican supporters, the others not so much.


People who have lived under Communists know that that is the wrong way to go.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (YdQQY)

114 hollywood liberals partying with the President. Those people make me sick
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 07:23 AM


He left the voters behind and went straight to the elites... quelle surprise

Posted by: moom at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (XV9ZM)

115 how mentally ill, how deranged do you have to be to be thrilled at the suffering of millions if it helps elect your guy

Of course, the suffering of millions has never bothered progs.

And the sheep on the east coast, who would be so willingly sacrificed on the alter of progressivism, will vote mindlessly prog until they die.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (Dnbau)

116
Dies Irae ......OH yeah. That's a great idea. I have a CD with hubby's choir singing this very, very wrathfully. There are certain bits of The Messiah that are good for this, as well:








Thou shalt break them


Thou shalt break them

with a rod of iron;



thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.



thou shalt dash them

in pieces

in pieces

like a potter's vessel.



Thou shalt break

Thou shalt break them

with a rod of iron;



thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

like a potter's vessel.



thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (JZBti)

117 A lifetime of being a Red Sox fan has prepared me well for the feeling I have right now. It is exactly the same.

Only difference is that spring training wipes the slate clean every February, whereas we're going to deal with these insufferable, smug douches for 4 more years.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (96M6e)

118 69
Stuart Varney says tax increases are certain.

And I won't let ANY fucking dem forget it.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (d0Dmj)

119 The United States of America has sealed its fate as a Socialist country, hell bent for a dictatorship. We are a third-world tin-hat banana republic. I am disgusted to be an American

Posted by: Givenup at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (C6Leo)

120 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (XkWWK)


Thanks, looks like 10 Days is the one I'll need.

I'm looking for a history book.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (/eBe8)

121 Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM

Not just the MFM, Vic. Much of the credit goes also to "our" media, those gutless eunuchs who didn't think it was "fair" to challenge Obama on his every felony, the sketchy version of his past we were given, the traitorous actions of his regime.

Thanks, Ed Morrissey. At least you can keep spewing out "Obamateurisms" for the next four years. We can all giggle along while the shit hits the fan.

More than that, what we've just seen was the national version of the OJ Simpson trial. A jury of millions stuck it to the Man, all right. Mix in some Rodney King, except the looters won't have to go out and riot to get their supply of Free Shit; the government will deliver it to their doors. The Oppressed Peoples have spoken; it's their world now.

Was there massive election fraud? Maybe, but it will never come to light. In a normal world, election judges wearing Obama caps and portraits of Dear Leader on polling-place walls would ring alarm bells. But not now. In four years, those accessories will be mandatory.

Yes, Romney made some mistakes. But it wouldn't have mattered if he didn't. The so-called Preference Cascade went the other way, and it's time for the looters to empty what's left of the national treasury. Millionaires will only have to pay a little more; the Anointed One said so.

I don't expect to survive the next four years. I don't think America will, either. But it was a lovely experiment.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (yKUrR)

122 Your party is fucked

Wrong. We all are. You're just too stupid to realize that...yet.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (vbh31)

123 Well the auto bailout must have been a good thing
after all. Expecting to see millions and millions of Obama voters going
out and buying a new GM vehicle. No down payment and no payments for 5
years.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (Pu81c)

Actually the pundits are saying that is what delivered OH to OBama.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (YdQQY)

124 You can blame the storm, Christie, the media, or whatever, but ultimately it was the voters.

If the majority is now just looking for government handouts, then the Democrats will have a permanent majority.

And if that's the case, then so be it. No point in trying to compete with that.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:27 AM (MSrqi)

125 113 Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (YdQQY)

Hey Vic. Wasn't statehood for PR on their ballot?

One more rusty ice pick to jab up my pee-pee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:27 AM (XkWWK)

126 Speaking of the Bolshevik Revolution:
=========

@HistoricUK Today in history... the Mary Celeste was sighted, Nancy Astor became
Britain's first woman MP and the Russian Revolution took place.
=========

How fitting.

Posted by: Retread at November 07, 2012 07:27 AM (zxitI)

127 well i don't know how i'm going to get through the next 4 yrs...i will but i don't know how....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 07, 2012 07:27 AM (Ho2rs)

128 Demographics is Destiny.

Your party is fucked


Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (HL0e9)

You think this will only affect us? Really? You're in for a rough ride, pumpkin. You are as fucked as we are....you just don't know it.

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2012 07:27 AM (X6akg)

129 You people need to wake the fuck up.

Romney was a good candidate? Fuck that. We threw a milquetoast Mormon paper Ken doll into the ring when we needed a fucking warrior.

Four years of utter incompetence and corruption and we STILL couldn't beat them.

Anybody with half a fucking brain knows the GOP is worthless and impotent now.

We should be fucking ashamed of ourselves.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 07, 2012 07:28 AM (oxs+O)

130 This was discussed at length on the previous threads, with me, but not only me, making this point (and some commenters saying they'd heard similar from Romney internal polling, etc.)

Romney was the first non-Christian on a GOP ticket.

The core constituency in the GOP is committed Christians.

Romney got less votes than either McCain or Bush.

And yet -- Romney voters were more excited than for McCain.

Do you think it's possible, in a Bradley-like effect, that a sizeable *minority* of evangelical Christians wouldn't turn out for Romney, a Mormon?

Because I believe it's quite possible, and would explain the above facts on turnout.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:28 AM (SKX2R)

131 well, Texas wants divorce.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 07:28 AM (Dnbau)

132 well to the GOP establishment that pushed Romney on us because they felt he would hurt them less down ballot i say "how's that work out for you in the senate?"

Posted by: bannor, voting Mittens and the Math Witch at November 07, 2012 07:28 AM (HEa5q)

133 Thanks, Gabe. That helps.

Posted by: JohnTant at November 07, 2012 07:28 AM (eytER)

134 If you like $4 gas, you'll love $9 gas.

Of course it will be "Bush's fault".

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:28 AM (MSrqi)

135 117 Only difference is that spring training wipes the slate clean every February, whereas we're going to deal with these insufferable, smug douches for 4 more years.
Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (96M6e)


With O-care and 1-3 SCOTUS picks, we will be dealing with this for A LOT LONGER than 4 years.

The Leviathan just grew by geometrically.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:29 AM (XkWWK)

136 in with the burn it down, starve the monkey on your back crowd now. do it. i expect great things from all of you. iit is war, economic war.

Posted by: custardbutt at November 07, 2012 07:29 AM (SIhMZ)

137 I actually said this to my mother this morning:

"Do NOT talk to me for the next two weeks, and you might as well cancel Thanksgiving while you're at it. And, by the way, I am quitting my job, because I would rather waste away out on the streets with no income than see one DIME of my hard earned money go to these freeloaders who have done this to our country."

I mean every word.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 07:30 AM (LiCO6)

138 120 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 07:26 AM (/eBe

You got it, Allen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:30 AM (XkWWK)

139 @123:

You're right Vic. But the only people who could possibly afford to buy a new car in Ohio won't buy GM.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (Pu81c)

140 75
What Hate said, I feel empty. Why am I crying?

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (Vk6ZI)

Every time a piece of sanity dies.We now have to hope that some people get a chance to learn hard and long from their mistake.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (AWmfW)

141 Just wait until the EPA regulations and the defense contrators layoffs hit. People will be b!tching and moaning. Thanks MBM! They're the real traitors. Zippy and the proggies always lie. It's the dishonesty of the media that really pisses me off. Of course, we'll hear what a brilliant strategy it was by the dims not to release this information pre-election.

Posted by: Gregles at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (BHM5V)

142 An Open Letter to Our Side

We lost because we allow ourselves to be led by losers who are content with second place. As long as the moderate GOP Establishment remains able to make a buck while losing, nothing will change.

1) This was a replay of 2008 with their chosen loser nominee (s). If this is the best that the smart guys and a billion dollars can do, it is pathetic. Second place is last place. We are losers being lead by idiots or saboteurs.

2) The SoCo0n PR war was lost long ago. It is time the shut the fuck up about abortion while campaigning. Abortion is the middle class white woman's morning after pill. She will never give it up. Either find some smarter Evangelicals or kick them to the curb at election time. You don't have to give up your principles but you do have to learn when a sales campaign is dead.

3) The debates, and the buying into the MSM's rules must stop or all of this is pointless.

4) We stood here and listened to horseshit from our own people and let RINOS kill off every candidate other than "the one who can win this" who lost yesterday. Those of us who screamed loudest were right.

5) Until someone tough enough to change these things and all of us show the backbone to support that person. Yesterday will be repeated endlessly.

6) When you are willing to change all these things, call me. Until then, I'm done. Done with the horseshit you are selling me and done with playing this fucking game to lose.

7) In twenty minutes I came up with a better analysis and game plan than the best you've got. You will ignore it. Figure it out. Then ignore them. You might start winning.

SD


Posted by: SurferDoc at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (6H6FZ)

143 RE SCOTUS why is everyone so convinced that Scalia and Kennedy will retire in the next 4 years?

Posted by: teebone at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM (YtLSL)

144 130: Samwise, this is exactly why everyone thinks you're a troll. Lay off forcing everyone to accept your theories and wait u tip we have solid data for chrissake.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM (OevbG)

145 Bottom line... we need to get out there and explain more... break the vision... break the illusion. We need to take time during the low season and favorable advertising rates to just get to the fundamental understanding. Economic rates, what debt does to us, etc. If this is the America presented to us then we need to wage an education campaign to get at the heart of these voters which we otherwise cannot reach.

I think Breitbart was building to that. The only way to break the spell is a bucket of water. I think those he left behind in charge... suck... they don't know how to build to that. They know how to build another introspective right-network. I think Andrew's goal was to break through to the other side. I think those in charge rest on their laurels and ends up being a internal gripe fest. He wanted to have so blatant that people had to look and then react. Make it something that can't be unseen. What ever happened to that whole "candidate vetting" bullcrap they were supposed to be doing?

---

IMO, time to go soft on pot. Its a minor thing but its also a perspective thing.

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM (BeB0s)

146 Hey Vic. Wasn't statehood for PR on their ballot?



One more rusty ice pick to jab up my pee-pee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:27 AM (XkWWK)

I haven't heard anything on that. It does come up about every 5 years though. They would be stupid to pass it though. They already get free stuff and are not taxed much at all.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM (YdQQY)

147 Weimar.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM (I2LwF)

148 The idiot American Voter last night: "Obama promised me lots of free stuff, and I should probably question him as to HOW he intends to procure this supposedly "free" stuff for me, but that sounds...hard."

Posted by: Bostonpat at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (lejgy)

149 If Obama's supporters are anything like their god-king, then "learning" is something they're incapable of.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (MSrqi)

150 Obamaphoooooone!!!!! Keep Bobama in pwesodent! He gib us a phone, he gon do more!

You know, I'm going to be brutally honest here: you should have picked your own damn cotton.*







*Apologies to Thomas Sowell for that racist comment, you're a better man than me and I'd be the first to admit it.

Posted by: Amos at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (m+ljp)

151 A LOT LONGER than 4 years.

J.J., I originally wrote a sentence like that, and then edited myself, because I'm trying to ease gingerly into the depression this morning. I can only take so much so fast.

Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (96M6e)

152 And now look for nuclear war in the Middle East in the next few weeks.

And if we're lucky, it will spread to Turkey and the Gulf States if not India.

Oh joy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (XkWWK)

153 37 I want to hear TFG answer the questions on Benghazi. Maybe the Press can take the gloves off.
Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 07:09 AM (VMcEw)


* Oh, Barri.....Oh, Barri,.......Oooohhhhhhhh, Barrrrrrri!*

What? Somebody say something?

Posted by: Blamestream® Communists at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (HKONC)

154 Yep, just checked. They voted on it this election and it is too close to call.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (YdQQY)

155 Well, my decision is made. Four more years abroad. No sense coming home now. So off to Northern Iraq--Kurdistan--in February. Then we'll try again in 2016. That's all we can do now, but someone upthread said it best--stick to principles between now and then. Conservatism is a good unto itself, no matter what elections might bring.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at November 07, 2012 07:34 AM (JFcfR)

156 112
Well the auto bailout must have been a good thing after all. Expecting
to see millions and millions of Obama voters going out and buying a new
GM vehicle. No down payment and no payments for 5 years.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (Pu81c)

Sounds like "fiscal responsibility" to me..

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:34 AM (AWmfW)

157 Puerto Rico statehood is currently to close to call from the exit polls. I don't think they count as quickly as we do in the states.

Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 07:34 AM (M/XKe)

158 @130 Point of fact: Nixon came from a Quaker background. Quakers are in fact Gnostics, a heresy that was banned centuries ago.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 07:34 AM (1V6Pv)

159 It was not because he was a Morman, or a bad candidate, it was because the JEF is a race man whose only tune is identity politics

Evangelicals includes evangelical black. Who are no longer values voters. Who now vote on race, and the govt teat.

After the JEF, expect to see a hispanic Dem candidate for pres. After all, its their turn. Not about competence of ideas. All identity politics, all the time.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 07:35 AM (Dnbau)

160 If America's gonna go out, we should go out in a blaze of glory. Force the country off the fiscal cliff. The Dems want tax hikes, we should give them some and see where it leads us.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 07, 2012 07:35 AM (a0nis)

161
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
Well, that sucked. At least ive still got porn and beer.

Posted by: Mr. Happy at November 07, 2012 07:35 AM (ACO7P)

162 I opened my first beer and it's only 5 in the amn. Have the day off. What do we do now? I hate my job and there are no jobs here. Can't sell the house. I'm fucked.

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 07:36 AM (Vk6ZI)

163

Yippee! No budget for 8 straight years!

Posted by: THE day after at November 07, 2012 07:36 AM (LpQbZ)

164 @159: Yup. Hence we have to run Rubio in 2016.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 07:36 AM (OevbG)

165 151 Posted by: jakeman at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (96M6e)

Dude, I am probably the most optimistic person I know. My relatives survived the death camps and lived every day as a blessing.

But reality is reality. Better to get a good swift boot in the nuts and deal with it than to delude oneself. I honestly believe where there is life there is hope. And we have to live each day as joyously as we can because we only get one life.

But our world has turned upside down in such a profound way and I fear we are heading for the abyss.

That's the reality. Better to face it all at once and then figure shit out from there.

Sorry.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:36 AM (XkWWK)

166 I see the name Dagny appear in some peoples tag lines here. Who is Dagny?

Posted by: WahIggle at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (QXiRr)

167 RE SCOTUS why is everyone so convinced that Scalia and Kennedy will retire in the next 4 years?

Posted by: teebone at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (YtLSL)

168 To paraphrase a Tweet I saw, rather than spending billions buying TV ads, GOP billionaires should have spent billions buying TV stations.

Gee, how long have we been complaining about the liberal media? 50 years or so?

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (MSrqi)

169 @162

Welcome to the new normal. Cock gun, pull trigger.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (a0nis)

170 142
An Open Letter to Our Side

We lost because we allow ourselves to
be led by losers who are content with second place. As long as the
moderate GOP Establishment remains able to make a buck while losing,
nothing will change.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (6H6FZ)

That's right. The go alongers.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (AWmfW)

171 As the man said: do it for love of country...FUCK THIS COUNTRY and the man who said it, too!!!
Since the numbers CLEARLY indicate that the majorrity of this countries citizens don't give a fuck about her, neither do I, anymore!!!

Posted by: Kell at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (T1yEe)

172 The media, from now on: "Obama was reelected, and even though it was just by 2% instead of 7% like last time, he clearly has a mandate and the GOP have to pass all his proposals without question."

Posted by: Bostonpat at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (lejgy)

173 MO, time to go soft on pot. Its a minor thing but its also a perspective thing.
Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM (BeB0s)

That is stupid.

Thats is how they won Col. Progs put pot on the ballot, in order to drive youth and agin hippies to the polls, and it worked. Those same people will never vote R. Get real

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (Dnbau)

174 Embrace the suck.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (ty0pA)

175 >>> Weimar.
Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM

Well at least it was a Republic!

Ba da bing.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:38 AM (SKX2R)

176
You think this will only affect us? Really? You're in for a rough ride, pumpkin. You are as fucked as we are....you just don't know it
This is what blows me away. The Hispanics andillegals want another Mexico, well you're gonna get it. Then what fence are you gonna jump next-Canada? They really do live in an alternate universe[growing a goatee for my alternate personality ala Spock]

Posted by: Gregles at November 07, 2012 07:38 AM (BHM5V)

177 And now to look at doing what some Morons here have suggested: Do my damndest to be debt free. Thankfully, my wife and I don't live extravagantly, we don't have credit card debt except for emergencies and we can pay our cars off pretty soon. Once we figure out how to get rid of the mortgage in a short period of time, we simply watch things burn.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 07, 2012 07:38 AM (6I+f5)

178 You guys need to stop being such sissies. Obama is waging a war on math, Obamacare is no more permanent than any other thing on this earth. In this global economic context with our slow population growth these welfare freebies are cruising for the dust bin of history.

Unfortunately, as they so cruise we're in for a lot of economic pain for the next few years as last night the electorate pretty much decided not to take the medicine. But the reckoning is coming. Obama can beat Romney but he can't beat math.

Posted by: Blah at November 07, 2012 07:38 AM (nz7Cj)

179 SD,

I don't believe it was the GOP that brought up abortion or even pushed the issue. It was the left. They are the ones that pushed through contraception in Obamacare. They are the ones crying about a right to choose. They are the one crying war on women and vote with your lady parts.

The GOP only responded to the filth that the left was spewing, and they didn't even respond all that strongly, at that. Romney didn't vow to repeal Roe v Wade. When asked, Romney and Ryan gave their personal opinions on being pro-life, and left it at that.

The only other thing, somewhat related, is that the Obamacare contraception deal violates religious liberties. And, for a country with a lot of Catholic schools, hospitals, and non-profit organizations, that is a big deal. They did stand up for the religious liberties of these types of organizations.

But, I don't see how any of that was RR campaigning about abortion. They were nearly always responding to something Obama falsely claimed.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 07:38 AM (LiCO6)

180 Yippee! No budget for 8 straight years!

Posted by: THE day after at November 07, 2012 07:36 AM (LpQbZ)

We will get a budget, massive debt, tax increases, and the Republican House bending over and saying thank you may I have another.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (YdQQY)

181 154 Yep, just checked. They voted on it this election and it is too close to call.
Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (YdQQY)


Great. Puerto Rico becomes the 51st state with 2 permanently Democrat Senate seats and a couple of congress-critters.

And the hits just keep on coming!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (XkWWK)

182 The only person who had a better night than Obama is Nate Silver.

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (HL0e9)

183
I'm not sure 2008 was a "new normal." I think it's more likely that 2006 and 2008 allowed the Left to **create** a "new normal" that 2010 dented but failed to destroy.
In part, the responsibility for this failure lies with the GOP caucus in the House, which demonstrated no great amount of political courage. It utterly failed to use the House's power to restrain appropriations, which was the principal reason for that chamber in the first place. I'd wager that a goodly number of conservative-minded Americans were seriously turned off by that: note that Romney got 4 million votes less than McCain did in 2008.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (GCzY/)

184 @178

I dunno dude, he is "The Magic Negro".

Posted by: Math at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (a0nis)

185
The press is saying that Romney lost by picking Paul Ryan. They're
comparing that to McCain picking Sarah. Both presidential candidates
were, they say, dragged down by their extremist running mates. All while
a Marxist sits in the White House?


Posted by: Buddha at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (8NlUk)

Which likely means the opposite was true. The VP pick kept the defeat from being worse than it was.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (qEkGZ)

186

It's all on the House and John Boehner.

we're done

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 07:40 AM (UZJrF)

187 Fit me for a tinfoil hat if you want to, but I can't stop thinking of those machines that registered a Romney vote for Obama.
Because all the fundamentals that favored Romney were for real, yet the vote came out this way. Electronic voting - and who counts the votes - is leading to massive vote fraud.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 07:40 AM (PD2ad)

188 We lost because we allow ourselves to

be led by losers who are content with second place. As long as the

moderate GOP Establishment remains able to make a buck while losing,

nothing will change.


Oh please.

So who was the renegade candidate that the Establishment suppressed?

As far as I know, Palin *voluntarily* chose not to run. No one forced her (or anyone else) off the stage.

Please name a *specific* candidate who you think would've done better against Obama/ MSM in this election.

I'll wait.


Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 07:40 AM (tUcg9)

189 Great. Puerto Rico becomes the 51st state with 2 permanently Democrat Senate seats and a couple of congress-critters.



And the hits just keep on coming!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (XkWWK)

You sure? Don't they have Republican governor at the moment?

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:40 AM (qEkGZ)

190 145 Bottom line... we need to get out there and explain more... break the vision... break the illusion.

There is only one way to do that.

Insert Barbed Cock of Reality. Stroke vigorously.

Repeat.
Repeat.
Repeat.

These are the zombies we have been waiting for. No amount of information will break the spell.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 07, 2012 07:40 AM (HKONC)

191 I think I understand "rape-rape" now...

Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 07, 2012 07:41 AM (6J+oK)

192 Finding it hard to find a reason to pick myself up from this. All seem lost and pointless. It's exhausting to fight and work hard to create a good life just to have it taken from you in the blink of an eye. I just went through four years of looking to yesterday. I don't think there's anything left to look to.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 07:41 AM (JLlNK)

193 Well,sometime in early '14 I'll hold my breath for all the tears of joy middle class libs are going to becrying because they're paying a LOT more in taxes, just like they said they wanted.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 07:41 AM (uD2fR)

194


Even if somehow, SCOAMF get's impeached over Benghazi, roll this around in your mouth:


PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:42 AM (XkWWK)

195 ...and Vice President Pelosi.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:42 AM (XkWWK)

196 Barry to Christie: The disaster relief check's in the mail. And I didn't come in your mouth.

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 07:42 AM (a5ljo)

197 real joe, that's just poor calibration on a touch screen.

I've run into this all the time, be it at ATMs or the grocery store checkout machines.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:42 AM (MSrqi)

198 >>> The only person who had a better night than Obama is Nate Silver

This is true.

His model may be crap, but we're not in a strong position to say so.

He seems to have judged this right, again.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:43 AM (SKX2R)

199 Fit me for a tinfoil hat if you want to, but I can't stop thinking of those machines that registered a Romney vote for Obama.

Because all the fundamentals that favored Romney were for real, yet
the vote came out this way. Electronic voting - and who counts the votes
- is leading to massive vote fraud.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 07:40 AM (PD2ad)

Me either, but I guess I was already wearing my tinfoil hat. (shrug) I don't know that there was any more Dem fraud than usual, but the "system" we use for voting in this country, especially now that most if not all is electronic and hackable, sure as hell invites massive fraud. Even the UN observer wienies were shocked we don't require ID in a lot of places to vote.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:43 AM (qEkGZ)

200 Great. Puerto Rico becomes the 51st state with 2 permanently Democrat Senate seats and a couple of congress-critters.



And the hits just keep on coming!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (XkWWK)

Keep in mind that Congress has to approve it also. In the past if a left leaning territory wants to become a State congress will also admit a right leaning one to offset and vice-versa.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:43 AM (YdQQY)

201 The press is saying that Romney lost by picking Paul Ryan. They're

comparing that to McCain picking Sarah. Both presidential candidates

were, they say, dragged down by their extremist running mates. All while

a Marxist sits in the White House?




Posted by: Buddha at November 07, 2012 07:25 AM (8NlUk)


Could the average voter even identify who Romney's running mate was? In 08 after her disastrous interview we couldn't hear enough about Palin.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 07, 2012 07:43 AM (qiXMt)

202 I really value Ace's opinions but he really gets into the kool-aid at election time. He did it in 2010 and he did it yesterday. To be fair, the result caught most conservatives (and me) off guard, but 348-190? I'll still read this blog but not for the predictions.

Posted by: rothsbury at November 07, 2012 07:43 AM (/6s5y)

203 And by the way, for everyone talking about going off the grid. If it's more than just venting, I have vacant, pretty remote properties in Missouri, Texas, and South Dakota you are free to squat on, rent free.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at November 07, 2012 07:43 AM (JFcfR)

204 Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:40 AM (qEkGZ)

Not sure about their governor. But statehood has been pushed by the Dems for decades because of the prospect of picking up 2 seats. Same with DC.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (XkWWK)

205 @197:

On my e ballot r and o were on top of page and bottom.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (Pu81c)

206 As far as I know, Palin *voluntarily* chose not to run. No one forced her (or anyone else) off the stage.

She was my first choice, but she made the right decision. The Left did their job well. She was too damaged. Let her keep being proven correct by events. Information won't change minds. Events will change minds.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (HKONC)

207 86 Delusion:
Ace: Romney 348- Obama 190

The problem isn't Ace, it's the Republican party. How the phuk does Obama drop from 3.2 mill to 2.8 million in Penn, yet Romney gets the same 2.6 McCain got 4 years ago?

Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (xk0Xg)

208 Did Mia Love lose?

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (Vk6ZI)

209 Hi. I'm here for the cocooning? Am I in the right place?

Posted by: FUBAR at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (wKfzT)

210 192
Finding it hard to find a reason to pick myself up from this. All seem
lost and pointless. It's exhausting to fight and work hard to create a
good life just to have it taken from you in the blink of an eye. I just
went through four years of looking to yesterday. I don't think there's
anything left to look to.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 07:41 AM (JLlNK)
Schadenfreude

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (HL0e9)

211 I've tried my best to live a semi-unselfish existence. I give of my time and money to charities and do quite a bit of volunteer work in my community. I think that may have ended last night. If half of the American people find comfort in the bloated, nameless and faceless entity that is big government socialism, they can have it. Time for this one to finally turn inward and see if I can try and salvage some enjoyment from what's left...before it's gone.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 07:45 AM (vbh31)

212
Can anyone give me a good reason why not to shut down the government when it comes time for another continuing resolution?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 07:45 AM (xnrlV)

213 157 Puerto Rico statehood is currently to close to call from the exit polls. I don't think they count as quickly as we do in the states.
Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 07:34 AM (M/XKe)

Where do we put the 51st star, Maybe in Obama's eye when he unveils the new American flag.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 07, 2012 07:45 AM (3Y7RV)

214 Posted by: Blah at November 07, 2012 07:38 AM (nz7Cj)

You think so? Guess what? We'll open the borders to Muslims. Europe found out decades ago that they were not reproducig little Europeans to fund the freebies. So they opened the borders to let Muslims in. Muslims produce those much needed babies. The drawback? Every once in awhile there's a BOOM! in the subways or train-stations. But it's worth it so long as they have their freebies. IOW, depopulation will NEVER undo OCare, there are creative ways around it.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 07:45 AM (KL49F)

215 You know what we need? Another oil spill in the Gulf. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Corona at November 07, 2012 07:45 AM (fh2Y7)

216 Can anyone give me a good reason why not to shut down the government when it comes time for another continuing resolution?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 07:45 AM (xnrlV)


Not one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (3Y7RV)

217 She was my first choice, but she made the right
decision. The Left did their job well. She was too damaged. Let her
keep being proven correct by events. Information won't change minds.
Events will change minds.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (HKONC)

It wasn't just the left who was out there damaging Palin.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (AWmfW)

218 As far as voter fraud goes, surely that's baked into the cake. Yeah it substantially affects the vote, but it didn't just appear this election. Mitt still got basically no swing from last time, and that's what's really bad.

Posted by: rothsbury at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (/6s5y)

219 How do we combat ( yes, I meant to write that) the rampant hatred that the left has for the right? A hatred so strong they refuse to listen to fact - A hatred so strong that they default to Bush whenever the conversation doesn't go their way? I have been trying to defend republicans calmly for the past 6 years and I am up to my eyeballs in lefties. Reason and logic doesn't work with them.

Any ideas? I need conversational ammo that leaves a wound.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (53riN)

220 Grandpa...tell me the story about America again....
Shhh...the guards will hear you....

Posted by: Beto at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (+I8Mq)

221 Smells like a sell off in the futures

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (Pu81c)

222 208 Did Mia Love lose?
Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (Vk6ZI)

Yes, and so did Allen West.

And Alan "fuckface" Grayson won.

At least Michelle Bachmann stayed alive. Say what you want about Tardisil, she went after the Muzzie Bro'hood infiltrators in the government and got her ass reamed by both sides of the aisle for her troubles.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:47 AM (XkWWK)

223 I get that you guys are feeling down right now, I didn't sleep for a single minute last night I was so unhappy, and now I have a long full day of classes at one of the most liberal colleges in one of the most liberal cities in the nation to look forward to. I'm going to be surrounded by smug Democrats doing victory dances all day, and I'm not really looking forward to it.

But history didn't end with last night's election, stuff still happens and nothing is permanent. After the 2004 election the Dems despaired pretty mightily and it was delicious for us but as addled and deluded as many of them are they still managed to bounce back, and there is no law written in the heavens by the hand of God that says statism is permanent or that all hope is lost. Buck up.

Posted by: Blah at November 07, 2012 07:47 AM (nz7Cj)

224 Not sure about their governor. But statehood has
been pushed by the Dems for decades because of the prospect of picking
up 2 seats. Same with DC.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (XkWWK)

IIRC, he actually spoke at the GOP convention - in Spanish maybe? (yeah, that helped a lot) - not sure, but I seem to recall him being on the schedule...his wife too maybe? But yes, if Dems are pushing it, then it's almost certainly a bad idea.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:47 AM (qEkGZ)

225 "Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 07:40 AM (tUcg9)"

I'm totally with you on this fucking idiots-bashing-Romney-as-a-horrible-candidate thing.

And while he wasn't a great choice, he was the best we had and I supported him wholeheartedly.

But...

Now that I did my duty and supported The Best We Had, now I'm going to start clamoring for the GOP to come up with something better. If they can't do it next time, and wecan't get something different, thenI'm done with the GOP.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 07:47 AM (uD2fR)

226 I'm proud to say that my state (NC), after having gone blue last time for president - went red and voted for Romney. There's some hope to hold on to. It'd be easier if these damn yankees wouldn't quit flooding our state and turning it bluer and bluer. And our homegrown people wouldn't think the democrat party of today is the same one their daddies voted for.

And we elected our first Republican governor in 20 years. So that's good news.

Posted by: Ohioisnotparadise at November 07, 2012 07:47 AM (W5c4e)

227 Jesse Jackson Jr., who in addition to being under investigation for various criminal charges has been diagnosed as being mentally ill, easily won reelection to Congress. He apparently received news of his victory in his room at the Mayo Clinic. One wonders if Mr. Jackson, who reportedly thinks he is the reincarnation of an ancient chariot driver, is considering a 2016 run for the White House.

Posted by: General Jack D. Ripper at November 07, 2012 07:47 AM (TQtmI)

228 We can filibuster Supreme Court nominees so they need 60 votes correct?

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (8HhF2)

229 The Asian markets are already in the shitter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (XkWWK)

230 >>> I really value Ace's opinions but he really gets into the kool-aid at election time. He did it in 2010 and he did it yesterday.

More so in 2008. He wrote a post about it after.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (SKX2R)

231 QE3 + No Keystone XL = $8 gas

I'm still not that optimistic for 2014 though. There's definitely some way to pin it on Boosh.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (a0nis)

232 Bibi, no point waiting.
Unleash the kraken now.

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (a5ljo)

233 Any ideas? I need conversational ammo that leaves a wound.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (53riN)

Keep it simple. Try "Would you work harder if all your money was going to your family, or if all your money were going to a stranger?"

It all flows from there.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (wKfzT)

234 Five lessons to take away.

1. I've been wrong. Moderation and compromise are not electoral virtues. Noted and I'll keep my RINO-ish tendencies in check to prevent party infighting. Why do I say this? It appears (last I checked) that Obama -lost- a huge number of his 2008 votes, but Romney -also- lost a huge set of McCain voters. That's why we thought numbers were wonky. We knew Obama was losing a bunch of votes, but we were not counting on so many defections to Gary Johnson and lack of turn out for Romney. Conservative candidates can win, provided they don't say stupid things about rape. On the other hand, we also learned that abandoning your electoral loads does not help you. Akin and Mourdock soured their races, and may have cost us additional seats/enthusiasm. Look at Warren as a counter-example. The lesson from this election is that McCain was wrong; party before country is the winning electoral strategy, and it was foolish of us to even consider holding our own people accountable.

2. Negative campaigning works. Romney never really recovered with voters after the initial character assassination. No amount of earned, won or bought media makes up for the power of incumbency. We need better systems to check the media; Breitbart, Limbaugh, FOX News and blogs are not enough. Just like after McCain's loss, elections will become nastier and meaner in the future. Obama got away with calling Romney a murderous tax-evading felon who hated dogs; just imagine what'll happen to the first minority at the top of a Republican ticket with that precedent set.

3. Ideas are dangerous. If you have to run on an idea, run on as fluffy, value-less ideas as possible. Putting out ideas means you can lose votes; you will never gain votes for having a good idea. Expect more fluffy unicorn campaigns from both sides in the future. Ryan had big ideas; Romney had some ideas. Obama ran strictly as far away from ideas as possible, even clinging to Geinther's "We don't have any ideas, but we know we don't like yours" line of argument. Campaigns will become even more tribal and even less about ideas.

4. Debates still don't matter. An outgrowth of #3. Winning the debates didn't help Romney nearly as much as we thought it would. In fact, utterly demolishing his opponent didn't matter. Even though millions tune in, they either don't pay attention, or it is like a football game. You tune in to see how badly your team wins or loses.

5. Base turn out matters more than persuading moderates. I think there aren't nearly as many undecided voters as everyone else seems to think there are. Either way, they don't matter. If you can get your turn out high enough (or depress the other side's turn out, or trust them to depress their own by having their candidates say stupid things about rape), you can lose all the moderates that come out.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (moRRg)

235 Obama is waging a war on math, Obamacare is no more permanent than any other thing on this earth.

The problem is that the casualties in his war on math will be us, and Obamacare is at least as permanent as Social Security and Medicare.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (/eBe8)

236 >>>>Do not believe any nonsense that this is the end of the GOP. Democrats say that every time. Tea Partiers also say that.

Nice try, Gabe. RINOS and Libtards are the ones that say it.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (C4dFv)

237

It's fine to say we can get through this, and I, personally, certainly can financially, but many others cannot. It was my love of the country and its people that drove me.

But, the unemployment rate will NOT go down. It will continue to rise. The real number will never be revealed going further.

Small businesses are flipping the lights off today -- the chance that obamacare is reversed is gone.

And, how many supreme court justices will be replaced in 4 years?

Worst? National security.

I was planning on investing in America again after last night. But, no more.

Shut down and blackout/boycott those that support this marxist prick and his media whore wife. Entertainment and the news orgs -- that have now merged into one.

Romney wasn't perfect, as many can attest, but he was inherently a good man, with good morals and values. He was one that had the fortune to actually fight the union, hollywood and liberal left money. He had the fortitude to go head to head with the statist.

And, please do not tell me that fraud did not win out the day, that it was all the "give me free stuff" people. It was media cover, fraud, and the money laundering of taxpayer money that re-elected this pos.





Posted by: THE day after at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (LpQbZ)

238 Hey Palinbots, did Sarah pick her favorite newspaper yet?

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (qiXMt)

239 Anybody else think this was a racist election?

Posted by: Ohioisnotparadise at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (W5c4e)

240 Romney sign is gone. The flag is upside-down.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (i7B17)

241 228 We can filibuster Supreme Court nominees so they need 60 votes correct?
Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (8HhF2)

Hell, SCOAMF and his minions are now totally free to shred what's left of the Constitution and just "recess appoint" whoever the fuck they please.

Will that lead to armed revolt?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (XkWWK)

242 God only knows why anyone in Puerto Rico would want to be a state.

As it is they get all the advantages of U.S. citizenship and protection, but no income tax. What would they gain? The right to vote for president? Great.

I just wish that worthless island would vote for independence.

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (MSrqi)

243 Lachlan, answer me this.....what is good for you about Obama winning? Do you not understand the fiscal cliff we are headed for? Do you not understand that you'll go over it, just like everyone else?


Do you not understand that you can't keep taking from the makers to give to the takers? It's unsustainable.


You're like a toddler happily licking his lollipop as you walk into a mack truck.


So exactly what is giving you schadenfreude?

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (X6akg)

244 We can filibuster Supreme Court nominees so they need 60 votes correct?

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (8HhF2)

The key to blocking SC nominees is to not let them out of committee. But that takes a solid Republican front and Lindsay Graham is on the committee. All it takes is one Republican vote.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (YdQQY)

245 227
Jesse Jackson Jr., who in addition to being under investigation for
various criminal charges has been diagnosed as being mentally ill,
easily won reelection to Congress. He apparently received news of his
victory in his room at the Mayo Clinic. One wonders if Mr. Jackson, who
reportedly thinks he is the reincarnation of an ancient chariot driver,
is considering a 2016 run for the White House.

Posted by: General Jack D. Ripper at November 07, 2012 07:47 AM (TQtmI)

Well , I think it's a telling story about voters mental state.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:50 AM (AWmfW)

246 PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:42 AM (XkWWK)

He might be found complicit in Benghazi-gate, remember the lies he told at the VP debate? Next in line in Hillary and hooboy is she complicit! Up to her eyeballs in this. John Boener would then be POTUS... *sigh*

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 07:50 AM (KL49F)

247 >>> As far as I know, Palin *voluntarily* chose not to run. No one forced her (or anyone else) off the stage.

True, and she *voluntarily* chose to quit her governorship in her first term and *voluntarily* chose to be a reality TV star instead.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:50 AM (SKX2R)

248 @178 And where, pray tell, do you think QE-eleventy leads? For the price of a COLA you can shrink your obligation in real terms and pay little political price. The BRIC Block might kick, but their economic policy makers get blandishments, too.
(Btw, I think there may really be something to that rumor about what Christie got. Look at him slouching along on the beach... did Bruno get lucky? After all, the Gov. does enjoy Spreengspeem.)

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 07:50 AM (1V6Pv)

249
I was very upset, praying for our nation and for my children's future, last night, unable to sleep, deeply sickened, when I suddenly felt strongly impressed to remember the Psalm 146 that states "Do not put your trust in princes, in men who cannot save. When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing."
Instead we are told to remember "Blessed are those whose help is the God of Jacob and whose hope is in the Lord our God.. . He watches over the oppressed . . .The Lord lifts up the oppressed . . .He loves the righteous."
It concludes that God "frustrates the ways of the wicked" and He will "reign forever."
I was so deeply stirred by this that I wanted to go and tell my husband.
At that moment he walked in and described that the exact same thing had happened to him - with the sudden memory of the same Psalm.
We've not read this Psalm in a long time, so it really was not on our minds.
Forgive me if you think that this is foolish nonsense, but I really felt that God was tell both of us to have courage and to keep faith with Him.
This election was deeply disturbing to me. This is not the America I grew up in and I am sad not to pass that America on to my children.
But I am grateful to know the moron herd is here. You are very like-hearted - not to say necessarily spiritual or Christian, but I feel so many of you really get what is going on and see what would be better too.
Most of all I am deeply thankful that God is reminding me that he can take care of us not matter what comes.
Sorry for the rambling post. I've never posted anything like this before but I felt I really had to.
god bless moron herd! Stay warm and stay safe!

Posted by: Jade Sea at November 07, 2012 07:51 AM (N9x3u)

250 I am so shocked that the American people want four more years of this crap. I'm of a mind right now to embrace teh stupid and go after all the entitlements I can. The sooner this house of cards crashes, the sooner we can rebuild.

I'm done with politics for a while. I just don't understand this country anymore.

Posted by: Marmo at November 07, 2012 07:51 AM (pcgW1)

251 Well I'm off to work, eyes wide open for the first time in a long time. Today I work solely for me and mine, the new normal.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 07, 2012 07:51 AM (GZitp)

252 But history didn't end with last night's election, stuff still happens and nothing is permanent. After the 2004 election the Dems despaired pretty mightily and it was delicious for us but as addled and deluded as many of them are they still managed to bounce back, and there is no law written in the heavens by the hand of God that says statism is permanent or that all hope is lost. Buck up.


****

This is a far different situation.

Bush did not seek to "fundamentally transform" our country. He did not seek to buy votes. He did not seek to imprison Americans in his vision of a socialist utopia.

This IS different. And it IS severely consequential to the future of this nation.

So, while I appreciate your effort to cheer up the moron horde, sometimes people are sad, or furious, because they are supposed to be.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 07:51 AM (piMMO)

253 It must have been that new black panther in PA oh and the Jews in MsM

Posted by: occam at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (6e75n)

254 we are all Philly now

Posted by: Thunderb at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (Dnbau)

255 41 The campaign should have done this; it should have done that...

Whatever. It's the electorate. And if handouts are what it wants, then the GOP is doomed to be a minority party. So be it.
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It is.

There are now two main parties, both ethnic parties.

The Democratic Party is the anti-White party, which includes a lot of anti-White who are themselves White but feel superior to crude politically incorrect Whites, but which increases its hard core vote by a percent or so every election cycle by mass non-White immigration. The anti-White party knows what it is, and uses it ruthlessly. President Obama knew what he was doing when he urged Hispanics to punish their enemies.

The Republican Party is the White Party. It is also an ethnic party; it gets 90% of its support from Whites, and the more the electorate turns brown, the lower its ceiling of support gets. The Republican Party institutionally thinks it is not for any particular group but for everybody. This means in practice it isn't all that much for anybody, and it is steadily losing the ethnic politics game.

It doesn't matter whether you like ethnic conflict or not. America has imported a clash of ethnic interests on a massive scale, and it continues to do so. This is real.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (Thv6H)

256 238
Hey Palinbots, did Sarah pick her favorite newspaper yet?


Posted by: Shoot Me at November 07, 2012 07:49 AM (qiXMt)

Did Gov Christie hug his favorite marxist yet?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (AWmfW)

257 Did Mia Love lose?

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (Vk6ZI)



Yes, and so did Allen West.



And Alan "fuckface" Grayson won.



At least Michelle Bachmann stayed alive. Say what you want about
Tardisil, she went after the Muzzie Bro'hood infiltrators in the
government and got her ass reamed by both sides of the aisle for her
troubles.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:47 AM (XkWWK)

West, sad to say, I'm not surprised to hear about after he got screwed on redistricting and having a Dem target on him for 2+ years. Love, I am shocked about though. In Utah? Even if it is the most Dem district in Utah, but it's still Utah. You'd think if Mitt had goddamn coat tails anywhere, it'd be there.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (qEkGZ)

258
i honestly think that "Mitt was too moderate" is missing the point, as much as "Obama totes won cuz of the culture war" is
the latter is true for certain groups but I doubt it was decisive in, say, Ohio

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (8HhF2)

259 Time to bring all the troops home. Now.

No more American blood spilled trying to clean up messes overseas.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (BeSEI)

260 Well, what can be said that hasn't already been expressed. I'm pretty numb. We supposedly had all the enthusiasm, we had the mass crowds, we had momentum, we had a depressed other side, we had Obama corruption as far as the eye can see, we had dead Americans, we had fiscal insanity, we had record unemployment. And we had a media 100% complicit in covering every inch of this man's record from a very easily deceived public. After all that's gone on in the last four years, if we couldn't beat this bastard and his Soviet-style media complex, we never will. Last night's returns told me a lot. We're a very sick country. We will not turn this ship around. Not when we have an electorate that lived through these 4 Obama years and want more of it. My only solace, and there's very little, is that what can't continue...won't. We're out of options for shitcanning Obamacare. I only hope its collapse from insolvency (like that ever stopped them before) comes before I or any of my family grows old and needs surgery or treatment to keep us alive. Good goin' America. Good goin'.

Posted by: Lady in Black voting with her lady parts to send TFG packing! at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (lTVJy)

261 We will get a budget, massive debt, tax increases,
and the Republican House bending over and saying thank you may I have
another.


Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:39 AM (YdQQY)
This is exactly what's coming. And tomorrow is when they start telling us how it's good for us. It's what's for dinner. I've thought since Boehner took over the House that the Tea Party was his and the GOP's number one concern and it looks to be playing out that way.Funny all those reports of massive, serpentine lines stretching around the block with people waiting for hours to cast a vote at polling stations all across the country, yet 18,500,000 fewer people voted last night than 2008.Very strange.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (Z6XSF)

262 and i know we lost by more than Ohio. just saying though

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 07:53 AM (8HhF2)

263 #237 THE day after
"Shut down and blackout/boycott those that support this marxist prick and his media whore wife. Entertainment and the news orgs -- that have now merged into one."

Great idea. Who do we start with?

Posted by: Ohioisnotparadise at November 07, 2012 07:53 AM (W5c4e)

264 Romney got 3.5 million fewer votes than McCain? Vote totals down about 10% from 2008? This is too odd.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 07, 2012 07:53 AM (hlUJY)

265 Did the Illinois Nazi in the White House ask, "What are you going to about it, Whitey?"

Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:53 AM (MSrqi)

266 The subtle racism in the white-liberal fetishization of blacks shall continue unnoticed, apparently.

Posted by: blehzor at November 07, 2012 07:54 AM (s9K+V)

267 232 Bibi, no point waiting.
Unleash the kraken now.
Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (a5ljo)


yep. I was thinking, Israel is now on its own.

SCoaMF will not give him the time of day. And, he won't be there to back them up, either.

Posted by: THE day after at November 07, 2012 07:54 AM (LpQbZ)

268 "Anybody with half a fucking brain knows the GOP is worthless and impotent now."

Agreed, but for different reasons. It's hardly Mitt's fault that half the country wants a handout, this is the bottom line. You think getting up there like a warrior would convince them they won't want a handout? LOL, how did that work out for Allen West?

What is interesting to me though is the huge shift in voter turnout. 15 million fewer people voted this time than in 2008? WTF? why? I would argue by and large that's because there isn't a huge difference between the GOP and DNC. In 2010 GOP sweeps into power in the House, and what do they do? Cave in at every turn. A lot of disgusted people that are done with even participating in this farse.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 07:54 AM (Egza/)

269 Let her keep being proven correct by events. Information won't change minds. Events will change minds.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (HKONC)

She was dead wrong about Libya. She pushed for us to get involved in Feb/March of 2011 when O didn't want to. She wanted a NFZ enforced by our guys and she advocated helping the "rebels". Those "rebels" were AQ linked and we knew it way back then. But it didn't stop Palin posting on FB how we needed to help them. It was only because she wanted to do the opposite of what O was doing.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 07:54 AM (KL49F)

270 @249 Amen!

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 07:54 AM (1V6Pv)

271 There are 23 million missing votes from where we should have been based upon normal growth patterns.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 07, 2012 07:54 AM (hlUJY)

272 I will start with Hollywood. I will never buy a movie ticket again. Why should I support them?

Posted by: USA at November 07, 2012 07:55 AM (RIg+t)

273
The problem is Boehner can't really do much about taxes spine or no spine yeah? If the House tries to keep them, they'll be rejected by the Senate. If we compromise Obama gets what he wants. If we don't compromise all the tax cuts expire and Obama gets to run around blaming the GOP for raising taxes on Joe American
doesn't seem like there's a lot of options

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 07:55 AM (8HhF2)

274 Well, I do have one thing to look forward to in the next four years. I might finally find out how many $100 dollar bills fit in a wheelbarrow, since it will take that many to buy a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread once QE^125 takes place.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at November 07, 2012 07:55 AM (+/C3g)

275 The bottom line is that the media is guilty of treason.

Posted by: Chellep at November 07, 2012 07:55 AM (V2k7N)

276 Considering all the swing states Obama won (I believe it will turn out to be all 9 of them), Nate Silver's model showing Obama having a 91% chance of winning right before the election is looking pretty good right now.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:55 AM (SKX2R)

277 197 real joe, that's just poor calibration on a touch screen.

I've run into this all the time, be it at ATMs or the grocery store checkout machines.
Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:42 AM (MSrqi)


Right, poor calibration, which only favors Obama every single time.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 07:55 AM (PD2ad)

278 It wasn't just the left who was out there damaging Palin.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (AWmfW)

You're right, she did a good job of that herself.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 07:56 AM (KL49F)

279 MikeinAmman - So this property in Texas, enough game to live on?

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 07, 2012 07:56 AM (RYVE/)

280 Good morning everyone.

I came to say farewell for now. I'm still pretty much in shock from yesterday. How a D+11 poll could actually be right. How we lost just about everything in the most important election of my life. I don't blame Romney/Ryan, I'm blaming the American people. Maybe this country just isn't what I thought it was anymore. Or maybe I'm overreacting and will feel better in a few days. I just have a hard time seeing how anything good can come of four more years of Obama and a Dem Senate...SC nominations...

Anyway, I need to embargo myself from politics and the internet in general for a while. It's in my best interest. Y'all are a great group.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 07, 2012 07:56 AM (GrtrJ)

281 259 Time to bring all the troops home. Now.

No more American blood spilled trying to clean up messes overseas.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 07, 2012 07:52 AM (BeSEI)



there is no way parents are going to allow their kids to enlist, now

this faux cic is so dangerous to their lives

expect a drop in military enlistment as well

Posted by: THE day after at November 07, 2012 07:56 AM (LpQbZ)

282 >>>227 Jesse Jackson Jr., who in addition to being under investigation for various criminal charges has been diagnosed as being mentally ill, easily won reelection to Congress. He apparently received news of his victory in his room at the Mayo Clinic. One wonders if Mr. Jackson, who reportedly thinks he is the reincarnation of an ancient chariot driver, is considering a 2016 run for the White House. Posted by: General Jack D. Ripper

Yeah, I don't get that at all. I thought they hospitalized bi-polars, put them on meds that work, and send them on their merry way. He was hospitalize for about 3-4 months, was released in Sept, and was seen partying in a bar with a couple of female lobbyists. There's more talk of an investigation and he's back at Mayo. I read that while an outpatient, no matter how briefly, he had to see a psych at least twice a week.

Now, they are claiming that Patrick Kennedy is also bi-polar. I think people with money who get caught with drugs are now claiming to be bi-polar. What a racket!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 07:56 AM (C4dFv)

283 76 Amos - "In the end we win, one way or the other. We're strong, they're weak. We
pay for ourselves, they wait for a handout. In the end, once they have
created a desert they themselves are ill-equipped to survive in, we will
come out on top.

We're the people. Not the tape worms, not the
leeches, not the parasites- the people who do things. we'll win. One way
or the other."

HELLS YEAH. Well said, friend, brightened up my morning considerably.

Posted by: k-spell at November 07, 2012 07:56 AM (hsTi+)

284 Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (moRRg)

Pretty solid stuff there.

I'd like to add a 6th - putting so much faith in your ground game is WAAAAAY overrated.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 07:56 AM (uD2fR)

285 It wasn't just the left who was out there damaging Palin.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (AWmfW)


Very true. Socially-Left Republicans were more than happy to jump on.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 07, 2012 07:57 AM (HKONC)

286 As a note: The reason the D+Weirdly High Numbers are right isn't because Obama gained votes; it is because people didn't show up for Romney. At least, if the numbers I saw last night are still right. Lord knows I have no desire to look at polls again for a few more months.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 07:57 AM (moRRg)

287 I just wish I could have back some of the hundreds of hours I spent following the so-called "analysis" here.

Posted by: rickl at November 07, 2012 07:57 AM (sdi6R)

288 Anyway, I need to embargo myself from politics and the internet in
general for a while. It's in my best interest. Y'all are a great group.


At least let me know how you liked the cheesecake.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 07:57 AM (/eBe8)

289 We can filibuster Supreme Court nominees so they need 60 votes correct?

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (8HhF2)

That requires GOP senators with spines. We're short on that model.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 07:57 AM (qEkGZ)

290 @252 I too was thinking of 2004. The Dems were thinking that they would win. How could they lose to that guy. In their mind, he was stupid and evil and the war was going against him.

What did they do? They did not organize and fight, they went bug fuck nuts. And it worked for them.

We don't have it in us to go that way. If we were Dems Boehner and company would go to Belize and hang out and refuse to legislate until Obama caved.

That is not our way. We will instead think that people care about competence. We don't. We elected Obama in 2008 to preside over a country in decline. 2012 just said we haven't changed our minds, that we chose decline and we are sticking with it.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 07, 2012 07:58 AM (/1U3u)

291 The only positive side I can see for me is that hey I'm going to get my student loans totally forgiven so there's that. C'mon, you know I'm right and you know that's coming.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (Gk3SS)

Yep, that's over $30k for me, and a little more for my wife. I thought about telling her last nightthat we no longer needed to pay any of our debts or mortgage because, hey, Uncle Sugar now pays for everything if you're irresponsible, but she was not in the mood for any jokes.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at November 07, 2012 07:58 AM (+/C3g)

292 The elephant in the room is that Romney got less votes than McCain. One of the members (or more) of our coalition was butt hurt and sat out the election. Libertarians, Evangelicals, or Tea Party (or combo of) decided to not show up.

The Dems were off their vote totals, and we had the Independents on our side for once. But we didn't get our vote totals. If they won't turn out for this election, when can we ever depend on them for votes? Not everyone gets the candidate they want.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 07:58 AM (JxIkO)

293 279, Absolutely. It's near Big Bend National Park, on Terlingua Ranch. Deer and javelina, with the occasional--from what I understand from other landowners--cougar. The Ranch Lodge even has a cooling room to hang the dressed game until you're ready to take it away. I have 20 acres there.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at November 07, 2012 07:58 AM (JFcfR)

294
Obama is a Marxist. Our media are democrat operatives with by-lines.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 07:58 AM (O7ksG)

295 As BOR said, 50% want "free stuff". And I will add, 50% pay no income tax. That is the 50% that voted fro Obama.


Our only hope now is an Article V convention. But even if the require States voted for it it still depends on the SOS agreeing to it even though that is not in the Constitution.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 07:58 AM (YdQQY)

296 1. Abortionpalooza worked.2. Dem GOTV was the real deal (D+6!!!)3. Sandy swayed independents.
I won't join in on the Romney hate. Campaign could of been better, but he did a good job overall. Best of luck to him.

Posted by: SAZMD at November 07, 2012 07:58 AM (RuF8n)

297 Look, the country will never be the same. When will you all get a clue? With Obamacare, we have now changed forever into a center-left country - at best. We will never ever ever be the same country. We will not be able to survive the debt that is going to run up under this awful man. It's not "back to work," it's time to figure out how to survive without losing all that we have. As the Fed continues to print money, every day our dollar loses its value. There is no easy way out of the mess that is coming our way. It's just a matter of how long we actually have before the collapse occurs.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (2/oBD)

298 I don't want the House to fight--we are not winning by fighting.

First order of business when the House returns should be introduction of any and all tax bills ever proposed by the Dems---and pass them.

It's done.

There is nothing left to fight FOR.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (imtbm)

299 Anybody up for buying a Chevy Cruze this morning? Made right here in Lordstown, Ohio!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (l3vZN)

300
You're right, she did a good job of that herself.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 07:56 AM (KL49F)

You mean when she was accused of the gifford shooting and RINOs were blaming her?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (AWmfW)

301 286 -

I think that's right. People stayed home.

No doubt the demographic will show itself at some point, but right now I don't much care.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (BeSEI)

302 This one will sting for a while, but life goes on. Despite the doom and gloom here, remember the pendulum always swings and the Republicans will not be in the minority forever. In time, the Democrats may wish they had lost in 2012 once the fecal matter hits the airfoil as they won't be able to pass the blame on to anyone else.
I'm going to try to tune out politics for the rest of day, listen to some quiet music,go burn some candles at church and pray for the future of oursad republic.

Posted by: MM at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (ZMhO7)

303 Agreed, but for different reasons. It's hardly Mitt's fault that half
the country wants a handout, this is the bottom line. You think getting
up there like a warrior would convince them they won't want a handout?
LOL, how did that work out for Allen West?


****

Right.

I said last night that when Corrine Brown and DWS hold their seats, Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren, and Tammy Baldwin win seats, and Allen West and Mia Love lose their elections, one cannot blame Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (piMMO)

304 I can not believe we did not take VA. Fucking N VA federal employees.

The only good news I have is Pat McCrory won in NC Governorship as did the Dan Forest, Lt. Gov.

So I will be going to Raleigh to do some fucking thing besides comment here.

ha ha.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (wR+pz)

305 >>> As a note: The reason the D+Weirdly High Numbers are right isn't because Obama gained votes; it is because people didn't show up for Romney. At least, if the numbers I saw last night are still right.

Yes. This.

Why didn't show up for Romney?

My guess is that will prove to be mostly a segment of Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon but didn't want to admit it, aka the 2012 GOP Bradley Effect.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:00 AM (SKX2R)

306 Woodrow Wilson had over 100,000 political prisoners. How many do you think Obama will have?

Posted by: burt at November 07, 2012 08:00 AM (8kEad)

307 IT'S A TAX!!

Posted by: Justass Roberts at November 07, 2012 08:00 AM (AWmfW)

308 The biggest war should be schools.
My nephew posted on fb this a.m. a picture of his 6-mo old twins in their "Babies for Obama" onesies, with the comment "now the rich can pay a little more so we can watch Big Bird!"
He and his wife moved from DC to Kansas City three years ago because there was no work for them here, and their house was (still is) underwater.
I posted "and both babies are already 200K each in debt".
They don't get it, and it is staggering.
His wife is a science teacher.
She believes in global warming.

Posted by: barbarausa at November 07, 2012 08:00 AM (WWeoI)

309 2008
Obama 52.93%
McCain 45.66%

(not complete) 2012
Obama 50.3%
Romney 48.1%

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (opS9C)

310 I'm with DangerGirl. I'm going to have to go on a blackout of the internet, Fox, talk radio. I told Mr. Black last night that there's nothing we can do about it anymore. We're just going to live our lives. I can't take another 4 years obsessing over my witnessing the utter destruction of the Constitution and my country. I even went so far as to say I no longer want to fly our American flag outside. The America of 11/7/12 is not the America I know and love. It's a soul crushing day. I held my kid this morning and had to fight back a tear at his future.

Posted by: Lady in Black, SMOD is now a welcomed relief at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (lTVJy)

311 On the bright side, one of my models predicted the election pretty well, problem is it is the once tracking the last election, so it showed Obama winning.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (JxIkO)

312 Obots act like it was all about Romney, it wasn't it was about America. And America lost.
and then when chit hits the fan and oh it will, 20 trillion in debt, even if you get rid of the Bush tax cuts, it will get you about 45 billion extra, that its, not even 1/2 a drop of savings. And when it hits the fan, it will affect everyone, the middle class and working poor will be hurt the most. There is no escape.
My business has been struggling, I'm tired, honestly very very tired of working 100+ hrs and then being called evil for trying to get a profit.
Will be talking to wife and others, and will seriously start plans to close my business.
Before I blamed Barry, now I blame the idiots who voted for him, the misery you will see is what you voted for.

There will be an avalanche of layoffs coming in the next months. There is no point in trying anymore.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (3Kxux)

313 For those of you who want to blame Romney--look at the numbers: Reagan would not have won last night.

Let that fucking sink in: Reagan would not have won last night.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (imtbm)

314
First, how many provisional ballots were cast in the close statees? Were the military votes counted?

In OH they aren't counted for 10 days!
Next, block all MSM news channel, on TV and on net. Sign up for Blaze TV. Send a message that we aren't playing the game anymore. Cancel all newspaper deliveries that are Dem slanted.
Figure out a way to work with college Republicans, etc to get the true news out. Maybe a weekly paper, etc?
Look at the numbers of total voted. They don't make sense. I spent yesterday in Southern blue districts in OH and the amount of R/R stuff was amazing. Your talking entire streets in inner city Cincy with R/R signs. The victory centers were full of AA volunteers. Young college kids.
Between 12-2 all of the pricints I went to were over the number of voters they saw in 08. How is that possible if no one came out to vote?
Look at the number of new voters the Ds signed up. Insist that they are gone through.
When I voted in my red district yesterday I personally saw 2 people thet had to vote by provisional ballot because their names weren't on the rolls, even though they have lived in the same house and vote every election all their lives.
We must push for a new standard of electing our nominee (even though I fully supported Romney) and we need to push for an end to early voting and a purge of voter rolls so the dead and illegal can't vote. How many dead/illegal voted in this election?
We must stop any attempts to get felons to vote (like they are allowed to in several states).
We must take the Republican party back.
One major problem we had in that the GOP DID NOT stress that many states were recovering because of the Republican Gov they elected in 10.
Josh Mandell lost because he went negative and didn't run commercial touting his Conservative ideals.
We need to fight for BlazeTV or something similar in airports, etc.
We accept that things are they waay they are but that doesn't have to be the case.
Anyway, I have been all over the map on this post, but aaaahhhh!
Voter fraud was rampant in OH yesterday, none of the provisionals have been counted and I doubt the military votes were counted either.
Stop early voting or limit it to the week before.
End new voter registration 6 months before the elction so we have time to go through them all.
Change the assinine way we elect our nominee.
Get the truth out to college campuses.
Hurt the MSM were it matters most - their pocketbook.
Stop supporting companies that advertize on their networks. Not a boycott, just a personal choice.
Start paying attention to state politics. If your good at journalism get a hold of Freedom works etc and try to come up with a way to mass mail a true newsletter once a month in your state.
We can not give up. We must fight to end the fraud. We must fight for our states. We must fight for the truth. We must take an active roll in our schools. Start going to school board meetings. Join the PTO. Start going to city council meetings.
DO. NOT. GIVE. UP.
Figure out what you do best and then adapt it so you can help get the truth out. If the unions can send out a mounthly newsletter, why can't we?
BTW - the union workers here in OH we NOT Obama voters. Many supported R/R. So much so that the union had to come in to 4 plants that I know of and threaten their members to remove all R/R stuff from lockers, cars, etc or else.
******Also, why was Romney/Ryan the last name on the OH ballot for Pres. nominees? Obama was first then about 3 other ccandidates, and then R/R. They were so far down I was thinking that they weren't even on my ballot. Seriously, if you didn't keep scrolling down to end of page, you wouldn't have seen their names. Was it like this every where or just in OH? Plus, i knew Johnson would be on the ballot, but did the Ds pay to have all the other names on it? R/R should have been the second choice, it always has been, but NOT this time. How many people just assume they were number 2 and hit it without reading the names?********

Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (fKyrY)

315
"The elephant in the room is that Romney got less votes than McCain. "

Really. wow. That's unsettling. I wonder if Gary Johnson had an effect?

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (O7ksG)

316 A man and woman are married. The husband is a hopeless drug addict who spends his days laying about the house getting high. The wife works two jobs to make ends meet but the husband takes most of her money for smack. Because of his addiction they have a second mortgage and large credit card debt and are close to the point at which this debt cannot be paid. The husband demands more and more of the wife's paycheck and uses guilt and shame to get it from her. She has tried to get him to clean up and go straight but he has no interest.

Should the woman continue in this state or should she divorce him and get on with her own life?

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (JxMoP)

317 "I think the house should never block another bill for the next four years. Give JEF anything he asks for. And stand in front of the cameras and express your willingness to help him accomplish everything he wants. In four years when we are well and truly fucked as a nation, we burn it down and start over."

The American electorate seems to be saying that they want all the goodies, don't trust a GOP president to keep the economy strong, but, oh, yeah, we want you to be the beancounter/whipping boy.

Basically they want our party to be the whipping boy while they can feel good about their votes.

"Well, I voted for Obama so of course we should be doing great but those Damn GOP types keep feeding us our medicine."

Does this make any sense?

How come we do well in States but not nationally?

Because of fear of SS and Medicare reform?

That makes some sense...well good luck folks, we're going over Niagra Falls in a barell soon.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (NV30n)

318 Well I'm off to work, eyes wide open for the first time in a long time. Today I work solely for me and mine, the new normal.

Except for the taxes. Wait til Jan 2. Looking forward to the Veterans Day Parade on Sun.

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (Vk6ZI)

319 >>> This one will sting for a while, but life goes on.

Maybe yes, maybe no.

What do you think? Flip a coin?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:02 AM (SKX2R)

320 85 We have to take back the schools. And it may even be way too late for that. We are now going down a road into completely uncharted territory. Dear Lord, give us the strength.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (XkWWK)

THIS. 40 years of indoctrinations, of letting the leftists teach that it's okay for Uncle Sugar to give you everything, has led to last night. Of course, the influence of the schools and government has also grown as "socialpoverty" programs undercut the nuclear family. Destroy the family, and the state grows in influence and power.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at November 07, 2012 08:02 AM (+/C3g)

321 Lets not put too much in "vote totals" yet. It will take a few days and then we need to look at individual States that went Obama like VA.


If you did that in 2008 for red States that went blue you saw a large decrease in Republican turnout. That was one of the things that worried me about Romney. There were a small percentage of conservatives who said they would "sit it out" rather than vote for him.


And in a swing State like VA that is all it would take.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 08:02 AM (YdQQY)

322 Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 07:55 AM

It's not that Boehner can't do anything, it's that he WON'T do anything. Same with Bitch McConnell. They, like the majority of "Republicans" in Congress, have been corrupted by the culture of the place. Why should they care about outsiders when doing so would make their Buddies Across the Aisle unhappy?

It doesn't matter. Obama has it all firmly under control now, and will have for as long as he wishes. Who will dare stand up to him? Nobody in D.C., that's for damn sure.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 07, 2012 08:02 AM (yKUrR)

323 The only positive side I can see for me is that hey I'm going to get my
student loans totally forgiven so there's that. C'mon, you know I'm
right and you know that's coming.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (Gk3SS)


Except that you actually work and make money. So your student loan won't be forgiven. No, the only student loans getting forgiven will be to the ones who couldn't find jobs- largely people who majored in "The Influence of Rap Music on Pre-Historic African Tribes."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 08:02 AM (/eBe8)

324 Here is what 50% of your idiotic, moronic, greedy, clueless fellow Americans just bought us:
Four more years of crippling debt and deficits, a decimated ability to defend ourselves, millions more on the government dole, skyrocketing energy and food prices, higher taxes on everyone, fewer and fewer jobs, an open border and, worst of all, a majority of people who think that's just hunky dory.

America died last night. RoyalOil is right. There is nothing left to fight for.

Posted by: natasha at November 07, 2012 08:02 AM (pyYXJ)

325 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 07:58 AM

Magic Fucking Underpants.





Posted by: blehzor at November 07, 2012 08:03 AM (s9K+V)

326 Boehner needs to go and say, okay, let the Bush tax cuts expire and roll back the sequestration. Because if he doesn't, they are going to expire anyway, and sequestration is going to happen, and republicans will get the blame anyway.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 07, 2012 08:03 AM (/1U3u)

327 89 <" I felt bad in 2008, but I knew we were going to lose; and hey, the
SCOAMF was a red diaper doper baby, but perhaps Congress would keep him
in check. Now? Forget it. He’s got his precious ‘flexibility.’">

There is no way except through fraudulent count that fewer Republicans turned out to vote 2012 than in 2008.

**
<But the pope wasn’t so easily satisfied. “If you don’t mind, could we do it over again?” he asked. “I’m sure I can do it better.”
>

Thanks for the grin.

**


<I’m sorry I can’t hope you all have a wonderful day; I’d feel like a
hypocrite. If you’re a classical movie buff, I’d listen to Mozart’s Requiem today. Dies Irae, indeed.>

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect

Time to pull out my Liszt series of Symphonic Poems. The American Beacon for Liberty has been dismantled. And the facile loser conceded FAR TOO QUICKLY to this absolute fraud -- morosely illustrating his leadership on principle, NOT the hero, just another victim who got where he is through treachery. At least with Liszt, truth prevails.


Posted by: panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 08:04 AM (BAnPT)

328 Samwise look at my last post. You are wrong.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:04 AM (opS9C)

329 "... Some of our number around here are acting as though standing foreign armies are encamped on our land and laying waste to Americans everywhere. I loathe the politics of Obama as much as anyone, but let's sober up around here--literally--and act like men and not a bunch of statist pussies."

There was a time when I believed that America could defeat any enemy from without. We just found out last night, though, that we cannot defeat the enemy within.

Posted by: natasha at November 07, 2012 08:04 AM (pyYXJ)

330 In other words, what I gather is:

There was less Dem turnout.

The independents were on our side.

We *could* have won the election, but...

Some part of the GOP/ conservative base did not turn out for Romney.

Is that right?

It would be interesting to know what part of the base that was.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 08:04 AM (tUcg9)

331 Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (AWmfW)

No. Even *I* defended her against Newt over that (Newt, whom Palin endorsed for POTUS was a real jerk to Palin over that).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:04 AM (KL49F)

332 Some of our number around here are acting as though standing foreign
armies are encamped on our land and laying waste to Americans
everywhere.
===========

there are, they are called "Bureaucrats"

And they are "encamped on our land and laying waste to Americans
everywhere."

Maybe you are the one being unrealistic? Two elections in a row, laying out a stark contrast and America chose the other side.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 07, 2012 08:04 AM (imtbm)

333 249 Posted by: Jade Sea at November 07, 2012 07:51 AM (N9x3u)


Thanks for that Psalm and good thoughts. If my mother can survive 15 months of hell on earth in the death camps, somehow we shall be delivered from all that's to come.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 08:04 AM (XkWWK)

334 Hi guys! Did I miss anything?

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 07, 2012 08:05 AM (3ZtZW)

335 >>> "The elephant in the room is that Romney got less votes than McCain. "

>>> Really. wow. That's unsettling. I wonder if Gary Johnson had an effect?

Sure. 1%. Much like libertarians usually get.

You want a freakin' big elephant?

While I grew to love Romney, he's the first Mormon to head the GOP ticket, with committed Christians being the core GOP constituency.

How much do you want to be more than a few of those stayed home, despite others being excited by tossing Obama out of office?

(yes, I'm being repetitive; but I'm addressing a new person with the idea)

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:05 AM (SKX2R)

336 Well with John Boehner as the Speaker of the House, giving the cocksucker what he wants won't be too hard. I feel for Ryan though, he's the smartest one in the room, I hope he just holds on tight and waits.


On another note if Chris "fat fuck" Christie even thinks about running for President I will move heaven and earth to make sure that doesn't happen. I hope Jersey falls into the sea after the nor'easter today.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 07, 2012 08:05 AM (9U1OG)

337 Well, off to outscam the scammers. Fuck them to hell.

Posted by: More SCOAMF at November 07, 2012 08:05 AM (qxcKC)

338 Romney was right ! Obama or any D starts with 47% of the vote locked in & only has to get 5% of the last 53 % to win. the country that are Grandparents & Parents knew is fading fast! also the RINOS that run the R Party have gotten their way with Bush Sr. Bob Dole, George W. Bush, John McLame & Mitt Romney! it is time for the tea Party to take it over & throw them out

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:06 AM (ck76k)

339 They don't hate Gov. Palin, they hate her fecundity.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 08:06 AM (1V6Pv)

340 "Some part of the GOP/ conservative base did not turn out for Romney. ... Is that right?"

-- Lael, right now, yes. That's what it looks like. I haven't looked at the totals for Johnson, but what it looks like is that we completely missed in the turn out models that the enthusiasm for Romney was no where near as high as was thought.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:06 AM (moRRg)

341 I turned out the media very early last night and am just now confirming that Romney lost... and I assume we did not regain the Senate.

So no truce, huh?

Social issues are more important to the Left than their childrens' futures.

Good luck with that, Asshats.

Posted by: Y-not at November 07, 2012 08:07 AM (5H6zj)

342 I was going to listen to some Aaron Copleand and Gershwin today. Reminds me of my dad, now of blessed memory.

Too sad. Too American. Oh, Lord.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 08:07 AM (XkWWK)

343 "In time, the Democrats may wish they had lost in 2012 once the fecal matter hits the airfoil as they won't be able to pass the blame on to anyone else."

You can bet your ass they're going to continue to blame someone else. They're congenitally incapable of anything else.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:07 AM (uD2fR)

344 After the 2004 election the Dems despaired pretty mightily and it was
delicious for us but as addled and deluded as many of them are they
still managed to bounce back, and there is no law written in the heavens
by the hand of God that says statism is permanent or that all hope is
lost. Buck up.


BUCK UP. Good Advice.

Posted by: dd mau at November 07, 2012 08:07 AM (+Hu8f)

345 Obama lost more votes from 2008 than the GOP did. People refuse to see this, but keep saying Romney got less. Look t frikking Obama. He got lot more less.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:07 AM (opS9C)

346 I AM DONE WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY & WILL NOT GIVE THEM A DIME OR A VOTE UNTIL THE RINOS ARE LIQUIDATED FROM RUNNING, RUINING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:08 AM (ck76k)

347 Ryan is a smart guy but his big idea was to solve 40% of the problem. And that was deemed way too extreme, beyond the pale, etc. We are an unserious people who are choosing unserious politicians. We'd be better off with Jesse Jackson Jr in the Presidency

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 07, 2012 08:08 AM (/1U3u)

348 Romney's camp as good as a campaign as they could. The MSM is part of the Soetero regime. They are the Pravda.
I still like romney and always will, I don't blame him, I blame the MSM and the mindless drones. "Tax the rich, Tax the rich", ya know what sport, eventually, the middle class will be considered "rich" and they will be subjects of "tax the rich".
I'm sure when the recession hits next year, there will all these Barry regime MSM asking, "why is the job growth so slow?", "why can't people find jobs?"
I'm just one biz owner, hopefully by the beginning of 2013, I will have closed down my business, since "I didn't build it", I'm sure those jobs won't be missed. And frankly, I don't give a crap about the having sympathy for drones who will whine and moan about no jobs, you voted for this misery sport, now live with it.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 08:08 AM (3Kxux)

349
Today is day one of disengagement for my business and me.
Firston the listis to return all those requests for donations that my business have supported for 24 years. I will simply write on the donation form, "Please foward all future requests to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave."
Then I will start calculating the ramifications of dropping Health Care for my 9 employees. We pay half ($3,800/single, $11,000/family per year)
From what I understand, the fine is $2,500 per employee. Saves me about $60,000/yr. Too bad for my employees as the exchanges don't start until 2014 and they make too much to qualify for Healthy NY.
I know. Sounds like sour grapes revenge. But remember. According to SCOAMF, revenge is the new hotness.

Posted by: BearMtnBob at November 07, 2012 08:08 AM (fl8vK)

350 As a note: The reason the D+Weirdly High Numbers are
right isn't because Obama gained votes; it is because people didn't
show up for Romney. At least, if the numbers I saw last night are still
right. Lord knows I have no desire to look at polls again for a few more
months.


Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 07:57 AM (moRRg)

I was noticing that too. Looks like it was more a "folks didn't show up to vote for Romney" than it was Obama getting back to his 2008 numbers.This is just a hunch but I bet we'll end up finding out that 1) the Evangelical/conservative Catholic wave that some were expecting to show up and vote for Romney didn't, at least not in nearly high enough numbers (and more than expected voted Dem anyway if they did show up; 2) the self-identified Tea Party folks didn't vote at nearly the levels of 2010 (likely part of what did Brown in in Mass.) and 3) the Dem GOTV turned out to be as good or better (especially in heavily Dem areas like inner cities) than the GOP GOTV had claimed it would be but wasn't.
No, I have no data of any sort about any of that, but I bet both turn out to be true. (shrug) Looks like RR convinced a pretty good chunk of Obama voters to not vote for him this time (or his record did), but they didn't succeed in talking enough people into actually voting for RR. I do actually think Romney ran about as good a campaign as a candidate like Romney could run, but I think this will end up being another case of not giving voters enough of a choice to get them to 1) turn out and 2) switch presidents. If that's true, then a different sort of nominee might still be able to win. If, instead, it's true that the takers now outnumber the producers *and* they also can be motivated to go vote, then the GOP and the nation is screwed no matter who they nominate. (shrug) Take your pick, depending on how gloomy you care to be.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 08:08 AM (qEkGZ)

351 Well, libs are about to discover something more terrifying than the prospect of a Romney presidency.

Math.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 08:08 AM (sbV1u)

352 Baldy: He certainly did. That just shows how badly we judged our own enthusiasm though. Obama lost a huge load of voters, but still managed to win. Romney's ground game was, apparently, not as good as we thought.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:08 AM (moRRg)

353 No. Even *I* defended her against Newt over that (Newt, whom Palin endorsed for POTUS was a real jerk to Palin over that).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:04 AM (KL49F)

Good for you , but GOP showed they would never defend Palin whatever bad thing media came up with.
Governor "Hug a Marxist aka fat bastard" were attacking her.

Posted by: Justass Roberts at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (AWmfW)

354 Baldy, those are percentages. We're talking about absolute numbers.

We ALL expected Obama and the Dems to have decreased turnout. We expected Romney to have ENERGIZED turnout. Crawl over broken glass turnout.

Looks like we were right about only one of those two things.

People keep saying this. They're overlooking something:

>>> There is no way except through fraudulent count that fewer Republicans turned out to vote 2012 than in 2008.

Ah. Unless ... Christians stayed home with a Mormon at the top of the ticket.

That could explain it.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (SKX2R)

355 "I said last night that when Corrine Brown and DWS hold their seats, Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren, and Tammy Baldwin win seats, and Allen West and Mia Love lose their elections, one cannot blame Mitt Romney.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (piMMO) "



I'd like to add that Sandy did nothing to contribute to the loss of FL.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (uD2fR)

356 So I guess I'll throw my current $0.02 into the mix; I say "current", because I'll chew on this over and over the next few days, so I might change my mind on a few things.

First, despite the seemingly easy math on our current economic situation that apparently wasn't so seemingly easy for many voters, I'm not sure I'm ready to just buy into the meme that this is the takers over the makers. I think there's more going on and a lot of disconnects in the brains of a lot of voters (albeit some of it surely is due to stupidity).

I think some of this is, to be blunt, an ability from our side to communicate a big, coherent message/idea of conservatism/capitalism/republicanism/whatever-you-want-to-call-it-ism. TFG had no plan or vision, but was successful enough in dividing certain groups of voters on very small issues and break off enough to join his kool-aid drinkers for the win. The only way you can really beat that, IMO, is to have a Reaganesque message AND be able to communicate it like Reagan.

That is not a knock against Mitt. i could nit pick and say he could have fought back better against certain arguments/lies that TFG was throwing out there, but honestly, I think that only gets you a narrow win versus a narrow loss, and you're at risk again in 2016 against the next snake oil salesman.

I live in Virginia, Loudoun County. two years ago we elected a good R Governor by a decent margin. Last year, we elected a completely 100% R Board of Supervisors, but last night we go for TFG by 52-47. There's a disconnect in there, that is not driven by the taker versus maker dynamic.

same thing elsewhere, we pick up governorships, state houses, gain in the HR, lose in the senate, but can't beat TFG. People are splitting their votes for reasons that this morning, escape me or any logic I can concoct.

Like I said; may do a double take on some of this, but that's what I'm thinking right now. Thanks to Ace and all the others who make this site what it is.

Posted by: Pete at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (+GIS3)

357 Well, at least Prop 34 failed. Californians love to raise taxes and they love the death penalty [even though federal judges throw constant roadblocks in front of it.]

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (C4dFv)

358 269 Let her keep being proven correct by events. Information won't change minds. Events will change minds.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (HKONC)

She was dead wrong about Libya. She pushed for us to get involved in Feb/March of 2011 when O didn't want to. She wanted a NFZ enforced by our guys and she advocated helping the "rebels". Those "rebels" were AQ linked and we knew it way back then. But it didn't stop Palin posting on FB how we needed to help them. It was only because she wanted to do the opposite of what O was doing.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 07:54 AM (KL49F)


She was correct in wanting to get Qua-daffy replaced. If we knew through intelligence sources that the "rebels" were AG at the time, I think that would have changed her stance on the matter. Conjecture, to be sure.

She was not privvy to intel briefings. Bath house Barri was. If he bothered to show up.

This was touted as a popular uprising, unconnected to AQ.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (HKONC)

359 The America of 11/7/12 is not the America I know and love. It's a soul crushing day. I held my kid this morning and had to fight back a tear at his future.
Posted by: Lady in Black, SMOD is now a welcomed relief at November 07, 2012 08:01 AM (lTVJy)

Exactly what I felt!

Posted by: Jade Sea at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (N9x3u)

360 @303, the Mia Love issue blows my mind. That is shocking to me. As a Mormon I'm saddened to see libs taking over Salt Lake. They're like a damn cancer.

Scott Brown losing to Warren, good grief. But hey, Ted Cruz won in TX!

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (Egza/)

361 You all might as well stop sending advice to Boehner. He will do nothing -- not one damn thing -- to stop this train wreck. He's just looking to protect his job.

Folks, it wasn't just our candidate who lost: it was our message of individual responsibility, lower taxes, less government, respect for life and the law of the Constitution. The majority of our fellow citizens just said 'fuck you' to all that and signed themselves up for a bigger piece of the humongous gooberment pie. The only problem is that these economic retards have no clue that there is no money left to buy more ingredients for that pie.

And don't forget, too, that Obama is out for revenge against any and all who opposed him. That means you and me, brothers and sisters.

Posted by: natasha at November 07, 2012 08:10 AM (pyYXJ)

362 Fuck women. And I am one.

Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 08:10 AM (Vk6ZI)

363 On another note if Chris "fat fuck" Christie even thinks about running for President I will move heaven and earth to make sure that doesn't happen. I hope Jersey falls into the sea after the nor'easter today.
Posted by: Jaimo at November 07, 2012 08:05 AM (9U1OG)

If redhead Georgiana or whatever her name is, decrees that Christie is the next nominee, Christie will be the next nominee. Remember she said so of Mitt and despite all our wanting someone else, lo and behold, we got Mitt.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:10 AM (KL49F)

364 "Ah. Unless ... Christians stayed home with a Mormon at the top of the ticket.



That could explain it."

Or more libertarian voters stayed home because they didn't see a whole lot of difference between GOP and DNC.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 08:10 AM (Egza/)

365

momma, the sec state of OH approves the ballot

the sec state in OH is a Republican, yes?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:11 AM (VvJwq)

366 I was explaining to my friends that liberalism is like alcoholism, you can't change until you hit rock bottom. We will never take the Senatein 2 years without letting them drag us there.And this isn't wishing for America to fail, this is giving liberals what they voted for.
Speaker Boehner, give them the bare minumum votes they need to pass whatever crap they have in store. We have, four? Justices hitting the 80 in four years? We need to concentrate on taking the Senate in 2 years so we don't get anymore Kagan or Sotomayor rubber stamps.
And if that doesn't work, maybe we are wrong. Maybe turning earned money into given money is the way the economy grows. Human nature seems to suggest that people will stop putting effort into earning money and opt instead to wait for someone to give them money but....maybe I am wrong.
The only way to find out is to give them a free hand. We just need to use a little political judo. We don't know what the democrats' skill level for budget writing is...they haven't written one in a term...but I bet it will be as awesomely written as Obamacare and the stimulus. Let them run on class on warfare this cycle and then use thier preferred vehicles for crony capitalism to take from the middle class and give to the rich cronys.
I believe the only way to stop the slide is to let them crash as quickly as possible.

Posted by: sgmstv at November 07, 2012 08:11 AM (crTpS)

367 Next time I listen to no one. Everyone was wrong.


The GOP voters are the problem not Mitt. Where were all these GOP voters everyone was talking about? At home crying Rino I guess.


Ryan won his house seat. Zerban must feel stupid.

Posted by: Big troll at November 07, 2012 08:11 AM (BqGFc)

368 There was a time when I believed that America could defeat any enemy
from without. We just found out last night, though, that we cannot
defeat the enemy within.


Apathy and dependency. The most formidable of foes.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 08:11 AM (vbh31)

369 "Expect the rich to dig in to survive big taxes rather than invest in the economy. Hope I am wrong. Good luck on new jobs."-Dave Remsey.This. Obama/Democrat tax hikes will kill jobs.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:11 AM (O7ksG)

370 Honestly, a little soul searching here. I've now been fighting this fight for 12 years now. I think I'm ready to get out of the game.

I think the country has now slipped beyond the point of no return. The demographics are now against us. Our current coalition isn't enough to win national elections, only state level races. This is especially true if we can't depend on major portions of it when they lose in a primary and sit out. Lugar's people in IN should be shot for what they did to all of us.

Say what you want about the Democrats, but on election day their voters go and pull the lever like they are told to. If they are black, but an Alan West or Mia Love is on the other side, too damn bad. They still vote Dem.

I despise the concept of catering to the illegals, but the simple fact is that if we don't grow our demographics especially with Hispanics, we will not win. Either that or go back to backroom deals where all the players in the coalition get together and decide who the candidate will be.

Anyway, I'm going to try and start paying less attention to politics. I also plan to inform the kids soon that they need to start planning to live their lives and fend for themselves. I have a few more years before I die, and I might be able to enjoy it before the Country completely collapses. But there isn't going to be anything left for them, and they are royally screwed.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:12 AM (JxIkO)

371 "Unless ... Christians stayed home with a Mormon at the top of the ticket."

-- I want to think better of people than that is the only reason I'm not considering it. It's the same reason I get fleeced by every grifter who asks for a few dollars so they can afford their Metro ticket home.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:12 AM (moRRg)

372 Missing voters? Are you fucking shitting me? We sat here and screamed at you that a big chunk of the base wouldn't come out for a fucking flip-flopping, rich, Mormon RINO but you were smarter. Less fucking votes than McCain! They stayed home and cleaned the fucking garage and watched you die.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 07, 2012 08:12 AM (6H6FZ)

373 >>> Obama lost more votes from 2008 than the GOP did. People refuse to see this, but keep saying Romney got less. Look t frikking Obama. He got lot more less.

YES. THIS.

This is ***EXACTLY*** my point.

We ALL expected Obama and the Dems to have decreased turnout. We expected Romney to have ENERGIZED turnout. Crawl over broken glass turnout.

Looks like we were right about only one of those two things.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:12 AM (SKX2R)

374 I'm going to say something really depressing, and I'd love someone to prove me wrong.

We can't fix it, we're done.

The 16th 17th Amendments have finally done their insidious work, and the Republic as Constituted is dead, or at least has taken a mortal wound from which it will never recover.

Because the States themselves have no voices in Congress, they have no wherewithal to oppose the more egregious usurpations of their power. Because of the Income Tax, direct taxes can now be levied on the People by the Federal Government, something the Founders desperately sought to avoid.

The Constitution is dead.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 08:12 AM (/eBe8)

375 Hey, That guy at #1 Allen? I heard he has a blog. Anyone else hear that?

Nah, not a chance.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:13 AM (wR+pz)

376 Fuck women. And I am one. Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 08:10 AM (Vk6ZI)

Is that a request?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 08:13 AM (sbV1u)

377 How do we fire MSM?

Posted by: macintx at November 07, 2012 07:15 AM (teREJ)


By canceling cable, but no one will do that.

Posted by: schizoid at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (mnpQF)

378 @Aslan's Girl:
You're right, she did a good job of that herself.

Hey, Aslan's Girl, I would think you might have the common fucking decency to SHUT THE FUCK UP about Sarah Palin.

We nominated your guy. We did what you people demanded of us.

MITT ROMNEY FELL SIX MILLION VOTES SHORT OF WHAT MCCAIN AND PALIN GOT IN 2008.

Please cut your fucking establishment snark. You people lost last night, and in an environment where Obama had run the economy into the ground, your guy couldn't beat a sitting President with a worse economic record than Hitler.

The only good thing about last night is that there will now be a Chinaman's Chance of a blood purge of the Establishment. I have it on reasonably good authority that there are a boatload of Republican "whales" that are pissed beyond measure.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (CUoon)

379 Next up? New Supreme Court Justices. Buy those guns NOW!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (wR+pz)

380 Samwise I posted both, in various places. Obama got 10 million less than 2008, GOP got 3 million less. You are a troll who doesn't like Mormons.
You are obsessed with the Mormon angle, which doesn't make sense, as we retained the House and have Muslim POTUS. You think they wanted Muslim more than a Mormon? Really?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (opS9C)

381 Well, the DNC put all of their money, time, and energy into saving Obama and a Senate majority. And they succeeded in doing so. Barely, in the case of Obama.

They abandoned the House, the governors, and the state legislatures.

Ohio voted solidly Republican for the state House and state Senate. All of our statewide constitutional officers are Republicans, including Josh Mandel, who remains State Treasurer. Our state Supreme Court remains Republican. Both Democrat-sponsored state initiatives failed spectacularly. Our House delegation is 13-3, Republican and we got rid of Dennis Kucinich and Betty Sutton through redistricting.

In Ohio, as in the rest of the country, all the Dems' effort went toward saving Barack Obama and a Dem senator, Sherrod Brown.

In my own county, no Democrat for any office got above 35% of the vote. We have no county-wide Democrat officials. We voted down a tax increase in my city.

I live in a city, a county, and a state, that functionally is Texas with real seasons.

Except for the top two races on the ticket. The Dems blitzed this state for 9 months in order to get Obama a 2% win and Brown a little more than that.

I honestly don't know what more could have been done.


Posted by: trumpetdaddy at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (dcoFe)

382 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 07, 2012 08:09 AM (HKONC

I was not privy to intel either, but I learned in Feb/early March that the "rebels" WERE AQ! Further more, Palin was WRONG in wanting Gadaffi out -- he was NEUTERED! He prostrated himself to us thanks to Bush's ME policies. He was NO THREAT to America. None at all to US. WE are all that matter. He and Mubarak both should've stayed in power, they were no threat to us or our ally Israel. Palin fucked up on Libya and I won't trust her again.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (KL49F)

383 My patriotism is over. The country I've been worrying about left me behind two decades ago and I've just been too stupid to realize it.

Voting straight Dem ticket from now on. Let them eat cake.

Posted by: done4now at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (gKzBE)

384 For those of you who want to blame Romney--look at the numbers: Reagan would not have won last night.

Let that fucking sink in: Reagan would not have won last night.


===================


My husband said the same thing last night. Thirty more years of socialist indoctrination in schools and here we are......
I don't blame Romney for anything. I thought he ran a great campaign and poured his heart and soul into it. I don't think we'll have a more honorable man running for a very long time. It's not him, it's the idiotic electorate....they don't think more than a millimeter deep.

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (X6akg)

385 2016...Obama will be Bush 2...very unpopular.

So, now what does the GOP House do?

What are their options:

1) Full denial - no justice, no peace. Hey, use those exact words. I would suggest they start off with a statement like this: "In this session of Congress, we understand the Preisdent has won a big election, and has a the leadership role. Thus, we will take no action until the President has a budget that is proposed and passed by the Senate. Without that, we do nothing. We wait upon the leadership of the president."

--i..e pass the hot potato to Mr. 98-0.

2) Neogoitate for the best deals... we will be killed here - the MSM will eat us alive if we do not cave, so why negotiate?

3) Cave at all times. Fuck it. The problem is the populace will not like that - they elected a GOP house for some reason.

I think strategy 1 is the best. Not obstruction...waiting for leadership, i.e. show your cards first, Mr. Obama.

And you can demand certain things, like show us your budget in public first before we "accept or veto" it.

NO MORE PRIVATE NEGOTIATIONS. The media always spins that as "obstructionism"

Quiet, sweet, waiting for leadership.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (NV30n)

386
A lot of people who run small/med/largebusinesses are going to pack it in. Why work so hard? It all goes up in wasted smoke.

Obama promises bettter roads, schools,health care - but instead we get a huge bill and the money is wasted and there is nothing to show for it.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (O7ksG)

387
Dave in Fla
I have been wondering the same thing about the Ron Paul supporters,Tea Partiers, Christians, ect. Did they stay home? What is your opinion?

Posted by: KC at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (i7KmQ)

388 Samwise, would you stop blaming The Jews! for last night's fiasco? Especially since you've offered no proof to bolster your vicious anti-Semitic slurs. People find this incessant Jew-baiting offensive. You've spread these comments on every thread last night and it's not polite to be singling out one already embattled minority as the cause for all our woes.

We don't have pogroms in this country.

And by Jews I mean Evangelicals. You're wrong and worse- boring.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (Z6XSF)

389 Allen West and Mia Love are gone

Posted by: Buddha at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (8NlUk)

390 Sooo..running as the 'Im not the Rich White guy' and I need 4 more years to fix the Bush disaster with absolutely no stated plan is a winning message today? I want to be HULK smash angry, but really Im just disgusted at the electorate and how uninformed and stupid most are. WEEEEEEEEE!

Posted by: Red Shirt at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (FIDMq)

391 "They stayed home and cleaned the fucking garage and watched you die."

-- Maybe I'm more pragmatic; I will admit to not being completely enthralled with Romney as a politician (the more I learned of Romney the person, the more I liked him.) I would've voted for him either way, but even someone I wasn't enthused about at all was the opposition, I'd've tossed them my lever pull because it was better than status quo. Never let the perfect be the enemy of the slightly better than the current situation.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (moRRg)

392 Maybe President Obortion will move to the center now.

Posted by: edj at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (+QKfp)

393 Pete, I'm in Loudoun too.
Look for the local crazies to be energized now that they have a "mandate".
My precinct went Romney, but I think the posters here who note that there were more Big Bird/Binder/Uterus voters than anyone counted on is correct.
Vote those meaningless buzzwords, and it will all just work out somehow, you old unearned privileged haters!
Feelgood!
And the schools will get worse and worse, and cost more and more, and churn out more really stupid people.

Posted by: barbarausa at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (WWeoI)

394 Schadenfreude
Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (HL0e9)


FOAD, troll. I'd love to see you come back and admit, "hey, I don't like this mandatory insurance and 10 dollar gas and low wages on the job I would have had if unemployment hadn't "unexpectedly" risen to 20%."

But keep laughing, because you got what you wanted. Revenge. Fuck America, you got those evil Rethuglikkkans!

It's a pity there's no way of ensuring you're the first to swing from a lamppost when the money finally runs out.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (zF6Iw)

395 zero lost 10 million or so votes from last rime, overall...turnout pretty unimpressive for both

Posted by: runner at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (WR5xI)

396
As I've always said:

we will never win the Senate as long as McConnell is leader.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:16 AM (kvcfI)

397 >>> Romney's ground game was, apparently, not as good as we thought.

I don't buy this.

I think they couldn't get a percentage of Christians to turn out for a Mormon.

I just DON'T buy that John freakin' McCain out-organized Mitt Romney.

The simple explanation is that lots of Christians didn't turn out for a Mormon.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:16 AM (SKX2R)

398 If 53% want the country to die, then in the words of Admiral James T. Kirk, ”let them die.” I have reached the end of the line. If you vote Democrat, you are not my countryman. You are a traitor, a parasite and a devotee to the party of Moloch. I have no wish for you other than that you reap the whirlwind you deserve.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (zF6Iw)



Amen to this. This says it all. I have no friends, and no family, who voted for Obastard - as of last night. Fuck them for the traitors and thieves they are.

Re the need to cope with the new normal, this is going to be a difficult challenge. My hopes for a US recovery are now gone. It's over. Thus, not only must I change my investment approach in order to grow my wealth, but I must also find a way to get my capital out of the US, preferably inway that makes it easier to hide later when the confiscators come. I've already got land in another country - one where the brown people already rule (and thus can't blame the white man for their failure)and have figured out that killing whitey to take his shit is not a winning proposition. The question is - how do I get enough money out of the USto get down there?

I had hopes that shit would hold together for another 10 years. Now I don't see how that can happen. I was so close to making it out - and now I'm fucked. May every damn libtard piece of shit die screamingin a fire, after a lengthy battle with rectal cancer.

Posted by: Reactionary at November 07, 2012 08:16 AM (jfeoD)

399 "I AM DONE WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL NOT GIVE THEM A DIME OR A
VOTE UNTIL THE RINOS ARE LIQUIDATED FROM RUNNING, RUINING THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY"

Problem with this EP, is they are the ones who voted. You should be targeting your frustration on those who didn't see this election as important enough.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:16 AM (JxIkO)

400 Today's Word of the Day: Acedia

Acedia (also accidie or accedie, from Latin acedĭa, and this from Greek κηδία, negligence) describes a state of listlessness or torpor, of not caring or not being concerned with one's position or condition in the world. It can lead to a state of being unable to perform one's duties in life. Its spiritual overtones make it related to but distinct from depression.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 08:17 AM (sbV1u)

401 There is no way except through fraudulent count that fewer Republicans turned out to vote 2012 than in 2008.


This.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 08:17 AM (PD2ad)

402 Gotta love those optimists. "we endured 4 years of this, we can endure 4 more", "he won't have a Democrat Congress to ram through his agenda". HELLO, are you awake or are you just BRAIN DEAD? This is not a matter of the glass being half empty/half full. The Friggin glass is empty. WE are FUCKED. Now that effect is wearing off, I am just laughing, because whatever happens the next 4 years, whoever loses their job because of this Commie, I will have no sympathy for them. Whoever voted for him, and his minions, you get what you deserve. Only in this America can we elect liars, thieves, and criminals such as Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, Jesse Jackson [from his rubber room], and other's, and we turn out good people like Allen West, Mia Love, and Mitt Romney.
Yessiree boys and girls as the actress said............................

BUCKLE UP, IT'S GOING TO BE A BUMPY RIDE.

Posted by: Smoke Fire at November 07, 2012 08:17 AM (Bxl+g)

403 So long as R holds the House, all is not lost, Weeping Boner aside.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 08:17 AM (VMcEw)

404 Good news? I'm almost 60 - I probably won't live to see the worst of what Obama will do.

Bad news? I'm almost 60 - I am guaranteed to get crap for health care from here on out.

Posted by: natasha at November 07, 2012 08:17 AM (pyYXJ)

405 Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (CUoon)

You think Mitt was "my guy"? I wanted PERRY. I lived and died by PERRY. While I said it wasn't Mitt's fault last night since I believe he ran a great campaign, I have complained about his conceding too early and being too chicken to point out voter fraud.

I grew to love Mitt only AFTER, waaaay after, Perry was no longer an option. But I'm so disappointed in Mitt not fighting voter fraud that I took the bumper sticker off my car last night and took the yard sign down.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:17 AM (KL49F)

406 "I just DON'T buy that John freakin' McCain out-organized Mitt Romney."

-- Why not? McCain beat Romney in the primaries when they ran against each other, with a significantly smaller war chest, if I recall.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (moRRg)

407 Some part of the GOP/ conservative base did not turn out get counted for Romney.


Fixed that for you.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (PD2ad)

408 now need to look at GOP leadership , make appropriate changes, and yes, no more clowns like Aiken, Murdock

Posted by: runner at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (WR5xI)

409 In 2008, McCain got more votes than Obama got THIS election! Which means we didn't show the fuck up! Well done, dummies!

Posted by: JDW at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (y2RCW)

410 Well, last night was a kick in the nuts.
I guess we each have to decide individually where we go from here, as far as core values are concerned. I know personally, I do not desire to surrender my beliefs in personal responsibility, and the fact that a free lunch....isn't.

Dave in Fla, CAC, etc, my hat is off to you, and so many other people here for the time and dedication you have put into this election.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (BPyqV)

411 Surfer Doc, the Romney people gave Palin, Huckabee and the Conservative Evangelicals the Middle Finger.

There was NO OUTREACH.

Sarah Palin and Huckabee were reduced to making robocalls. They kept Palin away from the GOP Convention for a reason.

I say again. Palin and McCain got 59 1/2 MILLION VOTES. Last night, Romney / Ryan got 53 1/2. We left six million votes ON THE TABLE.

Assclown GOP. A leadership in Clown Shoes.


Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (CUoon)

412

And if Republicans cooperate with Obama on anything, especially taxes, we will lose the House in 2014.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (xnrlV)

413 >>> You are a troll who doesn't like Mormons.

I like Mormons fine. Used to be one. Have friends who are Mormons.

I like Romney fun. Came to love him as a candidate. Earlier in the primaries though, I thought and said that Christians wouldn't turn out for a Mormon and so Newt was a better choice.

Hey, I could be wrong.

But I doubt it.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (SKX2R)

414 If a part of the Republican/conservative base did not turn out for this election, and that's the reason we lost...

I don't know that I would necessarily blame *Romney* for that. I might blame *those (non)voters instead*-- those people who didn't fucking vote in this election, whatever their rationalization for not voting (or voting 3rd party) was.

I'd have to know more.

Right now, I'm feeling, if you didn't vote for Romney against fucking Obama 2012,

I blame *you*.

Not Romney for not making the case. Because fuck, he made the case, the case was fucking obvious.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (tUcg9)

415 Goin' Galt...
Comin' soon...

Posted by: backhoe at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (ULH4o)

416
half of the US just voted to give money that could go to jobs - to Obama's cronies and donors.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (O7ksG)

417 Posted by: dd mau at November 07, 2012 08:07 AM (+Hu8f)

The Problem is this has been going on since Reagan left Office all RINOS that the "SMART PEOPLE" in Wash.D.C. forced on us

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (ck76k)

418 The simple explanation is that lots of Christians didn't turn out for a Mormon.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:16 AM (SKX2R)



Absurd. I've not spoken to a single Christian who prefers a muslim to a Mormon.

America is simply too fucked over culturally. Hollywood and the public schools have done their jobs.

Posted by: Reactionary at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (jfeoD)

419 392 Maybe President Obortion will move to the center now.
Posted by: edj at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (+QKfp)

Um, why? He was brazen in his 1st term...

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (KL49F)

420 And the schools will get worse and worse, and cost more and more, and churn out more really stupid people. Posted by: barbarausa at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (WWeoI)

But Brawdo has electrolytes!

Posted by: Typical Northern Virginia Voter at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (sbV1u)

421 Spoke to the wife, will be be starting the closing of our small business in the coming weeks. I'm done, not working my butt off and getting nowhere. Going John Gault. Let Barry be the employer in chief. Will make sure have a lifestyle, food, water, that is as much self sustaining as possible. A collapse is coming, we are Greece in the next 1.5 to 2 years.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (3Kxux)

422 >>> I like Romney FINE.

(not fun)

I don't like him that way.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (SKX2R)

423 So, I am hung over, we lost and now I read Allen West lost.

Anyone know about that?


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (wR+pz)

424 The Democrats are monolithic, in terms of goals and direction. The Republicans are a squabbling, loosely affiliated rabble, tearing at themselves as much as their enemy.
So we get results like last night.

Posted by: tubal at November 07, 2012 08:20 AM (BoE3Z)

425 And in a swing State like VA that is all it would take.


Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 08:02 AM (YdQQY)
Plus Virgil Goode and Gary Johnson drawing ~1.2% between them.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 08:20 AM (qEkGZ)

426 "Mormon RINO"

So a Catholic RINO like Santorum would have been better? Or maybe a Baptist RINO like Huckabee?

Honestly, I think the RINO acronym is wrong. All of these people are true Republicans. The problem is we have this idea that the Republican party has historically stood for Constitutional principles and that's not what history says. You're trying to go after symptoms instead of the root problem.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 08:20 AM (Egza/)

427 Yall in DC, keep your dogs in the yard.

Coincidence or not, Dogs go missing on White House celebrations and State dinners.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 08:20 AM (VMcEw)

428 The "watch it burn" mentality is becoming more appealing to me. If we're going to crash, let it happen fast so we can rebuild fast. In the meantime, I'll be searching for practical tips on going Galt.

Posted by: Dante at November 07, 2012 08:20 AM (NWLVJ)

429 >>>I read Allen West lost.

He did, as did Mia Love. I'm no big fan of West. Love is a great loss though.

I hope she moves to a safer district and runs again.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:21 AM (SKX2R)

430 Damn, we're like the Jews dispersed from home by the vengeful Roman
dictatorship's marauding army, the greatest in the world, our Temple
destroyed to rubble, our divinely endowed Natural Rights disemboweled.


And until we accomplish
that, I don't want to hear any more apologists telling us to accept this
absolute corruption: assimilate, resistance is futile.

No, nothing's perfect in this world. But I didn't
sell MY birthright for a bowl of soup. I haven't given up, though I
know full well that until Americans face our own faults and cure our own
failings, our own corruption is what destroys us. That is why it is so important for the Republican apologists of corruption to reconsider their amicability with fraud rather than endorse its results. Our nation's founders
had to pledge, dedicate, sacrifice and battle EVERYTHING in order to
create our more perfect Union. So to hear bloggers here propose
their own piracy as legitimate because everyone else is doing it,
"because I could" is the real failure, lacking integrity.

The Republican National
Party officially refused to campaign for Liberty, Romney refused the
platform of Constitutional Governance, and the GOP leadership
deliberately practiced fraud at their own Convention. Damn.

I hope that Alan West contests his State's electoral results. I also pray that he is able to expose the fraud. Sempre fidelis.

And with the grassroots American conservatives who hold true to our nation's Constitution, May God Bless. May our Constitutional Republic yet be through the
determination of American citizens and the good will of people everywhere. Idea determines form.

We have life to live.

Posted by: pugilist panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 08:21 AM (BAnPT)

431 samwise- So you don't like Christians, and are a troll, who spouts the "some of my best friends are Mormons" OK. Sorry for the confusion. You really are pain. Why are you even here?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (opS9C)

432 How down will the market open?

Posted by: NCKate at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (MsQkt)

433 Shit, the world is coming to an end, I actually think Sam has a point about Christians not wild about the Magic Underwear.

So, Ryan 2016

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (wR+pz)

434 374 Allen G,

The good news is if we mass migrate to a corner or three of the remote parts of the country we may be able to eke out survival. The bad news is it will come to that.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (LRFds)

435 376
Fuck women. And I am one. Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 08:10 AM (Vk6ZI)

Is that a request?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 08:13 AM (sbV1u)



Fuck men. And I am one. If you want to get laid, pick up the Yellow Pages and look under "Escorts."

Posted by: schizoid at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (mnpQF)

436 Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (tUcg9)

NO!!! it is the "leaders" of the R party who continue to force RINOS down Conservatives Throats

& some Have Rightfully gotten sick of Swallow shit

& as of today !! I am In that group until & unless the RINOS are dethroned

because in 2 years the "Leaders" will have found their Next "Perfect Candidate" to Not Scare the people

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:23 AM (ck76k)

437 Acedia. That is a really good word. I was thinking I was depressed but it's more empty than that. Because I feel like nothing I do or do not do matters.

Posted by: freemo at November 07, 2012 08:23 AM (JLlNK)

438 432
How down will the market open?

Posted by: NCKate at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (MsQkt)

And how far will it fall?

Posted by: Red Shirt at November 07, 2012 08:23 AM (FIDMq)

439 Well WHOEVER didn't show up for the GOP, SOMEONE didn't.

And it's a valid question who that might be. Who thought this election was worth sitting out.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:23 AM (SKX2R)

440 376
Fuck women. And I am one. Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 08:10 AM (Vk6ZI)



No Thanks.

Posted by: Barney at November 07, 2012 08:23 AM (wR+pz)

441 @Aslan's Girl:

Fine.

I have a hard time believing that Rick Perry would have done a better job, though. GOP is a party in Clown Shoes that needs a complete purge.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at November 07, 2012 08:23 AM (CUoon)

442 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (wR+pz)

Ryan will never get the anointing of the Wash. Beltway R 's

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (ck76k)

443 So you are saying Praise Allah, Magic Underware lost...Fuck You and your Goat.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (VMcEw)

444 255 - America has imported a clash of ethnic interests on a massive scale, and it continues to do so.

This. Ted Kennedy set up the visa lottery way back in either the late 60s or early 70s and fought to increase immigration and decrease assimilation as a political maneuver. Whenever you tried to talk sense to GOP honchos about it, they screamed "racism" and ran away.

My other takeaway? The MSM has far, far, far more power than we want to admit to ourselves. Low information voters just don't access it if it isn't in the media. Occasionally we can force them to cover a story, but most often we can't. It killed us this cycle.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (8kq7+)

445 Purges don't grow coalitions. Just saying.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (moRRg)

446 we went through a 4 billion dollar election...and nothing changed; almost same layout as in 2010

Posted by: runner at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (WR5xI)

447 439
Well WHOEVER didn't show up for the GOP, SOMEONE didn't.



And it's a valid question who that might be. Who thought this election was worth sitting out.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:23 AM (SKX2R)

That would be me.

Posted by: The Great, Enlightened Message Sender at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (FIDMq)

448 America is dead to me. East coasters, freeze and die, you deserve it. California, enjoy being a third world country. I am done with this country. I will never vote again. My husband and i are going to leave the city for some land in Texas and watch america burn. And it will. People are too stupid to realize what they have done, these kind of people are never going to survive the carnage that is coming. The economic crash will cause riots when they no longer can get their free stuff, and when Israel nukes Iran and the mideast starts burning, it will find it's way over here. I just hope it's a small nuke. But I will smile because we brought ut all on ourselves.

Posted by: megthered at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (iR4Dg)

449 The Constitution is dead.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 08:12 AM (/eBe

For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.
By a relatively narrow margin, the people on either side of you have set this country on a 40 year course that can only end poorly. The choice was to be allowed to do "well" if you were willing to work hard, or to do "well enough" if you didn't mind getting free stuff from other's hard labor.

What these people don't realize is that "well enough" is now defined by a government that has no real interest in the individual, but a vested interest in the accumulation of absolute power to itself and its apparatchiks to be used in controlling the masses.
I weep for my children and grandchildren for they have been effectively sold into slavery for less than a mess of pottage.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (Cnqmv)

450 The Dems did have a decreased turnout last night.

It's the Republicans who had the increased turnout over 2008. Those votes went poof!

People are trying to assert that our country chose Socialism, race and class grievance last night. The same pundits who have asserted an infinite number of times over the last decade that the US is a Center-Right country have switched on a dime and are now trying to convince us that we're a full-blown Leftist Dystopia.

It's not true. We're the same sensible, Center-Right God-fearing country today as we were yesterday.

THEY'RE LYING.

Our country hasn't changed. It's they who have failed to change us- now they're trying to drum it into us that we're not who we are.

Resist it.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (Z6XSF)

451 Neither candidate got less votes.
They each got FEWER votes.
"Less votes" makes my eyeballs ache.

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (a5ljo)

452 370
I
think the country has now slipped beyond the point of no return. The
demographics are now against us.


Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:12 AM (JxIkO)
I agree. They'll be a bunch of talking heads suggesting the GOP do some soul-searching and figure out what they need to do to get back in power but there is nothing to be done. There's simply not a large enough small government, classically liberal, pro-freedom/anti-dependency constituency left. The only direction the GOP can go is in a direction where I would no longer want to vote for them (I'm on edge now as it is). I'm not voting for policies that are only slightly less idiotic than those offered by Democrats. The only hope, I think, is to do nothing and see how this plays out. Liberal policies don't work, so I have no doubt that we'll be stuck with anemic growth and high unemployment for years to come (unless the Republican House successful blocks most of Obama's initiatives, but even then, we're stuck with Obamacare). How long will people be willing to put up with that?

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (s8XaI)

453 Posted by: schizoid at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (mnpQF)


Lighten up, Francis

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 08:25 AM (sbV1u)

454 >>> samwise- So you don't like Christians, and are a troll, who spouts the "some of my best friends are Mormons" OK. Sorry for the confusion. You really are pain. Why are you even here?

Because my analysis and opinions are right more often than yours and I'm expressing them.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:25 AM (SKX2R)

455
Pete and Barbara: Loudoun here, too. Western Loudoun went for Romney, but not by all that much. Got clobbered in the eastern districts, particularly the high density ones.

Put more water in the soup, there's better times a coming. Say a prayer for Romney, he was the right choice and must be feeling really bad about it all.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 07, 2012 08:25 AM (l3vZN)

456 Yep, Brawndo has electrolytes.
Which will be rationed to our kids by the barcode on their arm.

Posted by: barbarausa at November 07, 2012 08:25 AM (WWeoI)

457 I mean, why else would the electorate keep a GOP house unless they wanted a brake on Obama…thus act like a brake. Don’t try to drive. Just act as a Veto. Everything in public. Hard party discipline. Nothing done or attempted until Senate passes their version. No changes to Senate version without prior on-record agreement by Reid/Obama.
We are going to have a recession. We are going to have tough choices. We are going to have hard budgets. We cannot let the media blame that on the GOP/Tea Party. They must use this to make sure no narrative can be created, except “Obama’s the leader, we waiting on him.”
But, the GOP will be scared, they will ignore the Tea Party, they will cave and be blamed for the problems. Or they will play hardball, but do private negotiations. When those fail, they will be blamed. The key is to make everything documented, and to demand Obama do hard things first – like get his own budget past the Senate before talking to the House.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 08:25 AM (NV30n)

458 I have a hard time believing that Rick Perry would have done a better job, though. GOP is a party in Clown Shoes that needs a complete purge.

I think Rick Perry would've been clobbered.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2012 08:25 AM (JxMoP)

459 Surfer Doc, the Romney people gave Palin, Huckabee and the Conservative Evangelicals the Middle Finger.

There was NO OUTREACH.

Sarah Palin and Huckabee were reduced to making robocalls. They kept Palin away from the GOP Convention for a reason.

I say again. Palin and McCain got 59 1/2 MILLION VOTES. Last night, Romney / Ryan got 53 1/2. We left six million votes ON THE TABLE.

Assclown GOP. A leadership in Clown Shoes.


Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at November 07, 2012 08:18 AM (CUoon)

STANDING OVATION!!!

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:26 AM (ck76k)

460 America is simply too fucked over culturally.

And no mere politician is going to fix that.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 08:26 AM (vbh31)

461 "Less votes" makes my eyeballs ache. Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (a5ljo)

THIS is why I come here. Most Morons know grammar.

If I wanted illiterate screeds, there's always Facebook.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 08:26 AM (sbV1u)

462 I mentioned something like this last night but I want to
repeat it now. I'm done with charitable giving outside
of family or friends. If this country want to take my freedom
and money for free stuff don't ask me to give up even more voluntarily. This goes for giving at the office, on the street corner, in any instance where I don't know who will get my money. Enough has been taken already, I won't give up more, I'm going to need it.

Posted by: To Hell with it at November 07, 2012 08:26 AM (MNDeQ)

463

Paul Ryan is boring. He might excite the base, but he's boring and ordinary.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:26 AM (VvJwq)

464 442
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:22 AM (wR+pz)



Ryan will never get the anointing of the Wash. Beltway R 's

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (ck76k)

I don't think he will need it. I feel a disturbance in the force. I see the Tea Party wing quietly taking over everything.
Mistakes have been made, others must be blamed.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:26 AM (wR+pz)

465 In time, the Democrats may wish they had lost in 2012 once the fecal matter hits the airfoil as they won't be able to pass the blame on to anyone else.

Yeah, right.

Posted by: Herbert Hoover at November 07, 2012 08:27 AM (zF6Iw)

466 My other takeaway? The MSM has far, far, far more
power than we want to admit to ourselves. Low information voters just
don't access it if it isn't in the media. Occasionally we can force them
to cover a story, but most often we can't. It killed us this cycle.


Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (8kq7+)

I am amazed that no "pundit" that I heard last night mentioned the Evan Thomas line (IIRC) that having the media at your beck and call was worth 10 to 15 % points. I think that was amply demonstrated this time around.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 07, 2012 08:27 AM (Cnqmv)

467 >>> Purges don't grow coalitions. Just saying.

I don't want purges. I was expressly arguing against purges last night.

I mean, you could hardly purge Christians, right? It wouldn't make a lot of sense politically.

But if they didn't turn out in the required numbers for the GOP this cycle, it would be a good idea to figure out why.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:27 AM (SKX2R)

468 Going to Spain next week to see what we have to look forward too.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:27 AM (wR+pz)

469 Moderates stayed home even w their candidate running. Nice.

Posted by: Dick at November 07, 2012 08:27 AM (VrVBw)

470 I for one support President Dwayne Elizando Mountain Dew Hector Camacho and his plan for Brawndo based economic development.


Posted by: blehzor at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (s9K+V)

471 @Samwise. I was called a troll before as well. I don't get how a website that talks about valurite and killin' hobos attract so-cons who can't deal with the less religious cons, but they come out sometimes.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (NV30n)

472 @397 et passim, you can't blame Mormonism. Turnout depends on two things: turnout and actually counting the votes. The Dem.-Commies cheat, and, like Lance Armstrong, no one has it figured out.
Blaming Mormonism is how the Loyalist Element (descendents of the 40% Loyalist population at the time of our Revolution)wants to try to blame us Sons of the Pioneers, who are buying ammo while you're buying lattes.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (1V6Pv)

473 Your good Brother Cavil is still here. But my focus from now on is culture, which always was the real front - and is why last night happened.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (x8wJs)

474 Palin fucked up on Libya and I won't trust her again.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (KL49F



I had no idea Palin was running our Libya policy.
Either that, or your statement is completely asinine.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (PD2ad)

475 391

"--
Maybe I'm more pragmatic; I will admit to not being completely
enthralled with Romney as a politician (the more I learned of Romney the
person, the more I liked him.) I would've voted for him either way, but
even someone I wasn't enthused about at all was the opposition, I'd've
tossed them my lever pull because it was better than status quo. Never
let the perfect be the enemy of the slightly better than the current
situation."

The difference is you are smart and they are no smarter than an Obama voter. You were pragmatic, they were pissed off.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (6H6FZ)

476 Seriously considering a move to Texas. Ohio is dead to me. Fucking grifters.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 07, 2012 08:29 AM (s/PhC)

477 Folks: If you don't have proof, hard, iron-clad at that, of actual fraud, don't claim it. It was silly when Democrats implied it in 2000 and 2004, and gosh darn it, we shouldn't be as sore losers as that.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:29 AM (moRRg)

478 Oh and for real shits and giggles read Chris Christie's self blowjob over at thw daily mail...

Chris fuck you you're done. You took the Luap Nor I'll vote D from spite seat asshole.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 08:29 AM (LRFds)

479 Brit Hume is still looking like the most sensible analyst on TV.

I kinda tuned this blog out when a lot of you started calling him a turncoat.

I'd begun to buy into the irrational exuberance myself.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 08:29 AM (Qxe/p)

480 476 witchfinder, Texas is good so is Louisiana depnding on your skillset.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 08:30 AM (LRFds)

481 I'm not giving up yet. But I am going back to the opinion that we need to orientate ourselves to the period after DOOM. I let myself get caught up in momentary and unreasonable optimism and let myself pretend we could turn this around.

But it's still coming. It always was. How we come out of it is still up in the air.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 07, 2012 08:30 AM (HonRE)

482 The simple explanation is that lots of Christians didn't turn out for a Mormon.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:16 AM (SKX2R)

No evidence of that. Romney won SC with



57% vs 53% for McCain. However, turnout for both sides was down.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 08:30 AM (YdQQY)

483 The country is hopelessly divided and needs a divorce.

Let the blue states build their eurosocialist utopia. Let the red states return to something that once again resembles traditional American capitalism.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 07, 2012 08:30 AM (hx/td)

484 fyi, Nate Silver went 50 for 50.

Intrade is now 100 for Obama.

live and learn!

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (W24rw)

485 Either teh Dems cheated on a massive scale and did so on election night, or the country is effed. I think it is the latter

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (Cnqmv)

486 NO!!! it is the "leaders" of the R party who continue to force RINOS down Conservatives Throat

Sorry but I've never bought this.

Who "forces" anything? There are elections. Primaries. Conservatives are a formidable force. If a great "non-RINO" (whatever that means) candidate was capable of winning the primaries (and thence likely capable of winning a general election)... they would. They will.

If your favorite candidate can't cut it in the primaries-- they can't cut it. Blaming "the establishment" for that seems like a kind of affirmative action.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (tUcg9)

487 Serious question: Any financial experts? Something up in Greece?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (opS9C)

488

oh, and Dick Morris

dead wrong, as usual

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (vczth)

489 I love Palin, but she got tainted. Not her fault, but you cannot bring her back. Like your friend got bit by zombies, you have to take your gun, and shoot her before she eats your brains.

She'd be a hot awesome zombie...

OK, anyhow. The media sucks. Akin even knows this now.

So instead of fighting the last war - I suggest we work on the next. What does the House do?

My suggestion above is one...could it even happen with squabbling members?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (NV30n)

490 Paul Ryan is boring. He might excite the base, but he's boring and ordinary.

Is that what it all boils down to? Being fucking entertained? Lord help us all...

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (vbh31)

491 The Constitution is not dead.

It's still there. We still seek to uphold it. We outnumber them, despite those fraudulent numbers from last night, but they have the bullhorns and the levers of power. There's nothing to be ashamed of about us. We still adhere to the principles this nation was founded on.

We're still the most church-going nation on Earth. They hate it. They've been trying to snuff that spirit out of the American people for decades and when they got finally got in a position to get that agenda passed, it was rejected violently by the masses.

The 2010 anti-Statist landslide happened.

Scott Walker happened. Christie drove the snakes out. Chick-Fil-A happened.

The numbers don't add up. Like the man said- "we own this country".

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (Z6XSF)

492 So now that Bush and Romney are history, what's Obama's plan? Does he have one?

Posted by: Fritz at November 07, 2012 08:31 AM (/ZZCn)

493 459

......."I say again. Palin and McCain got 59 1/2 MILLION VOTES. Last night,
Romney / Ryan got 53 1/2. We left six million votes ON THE TABLE.".....


This! is a stubborn little fact that should be looked at by whatever is left of the Republican Party. I said upthread that the Republicans are a loosely affiliated rabble, while the Democrats are monolithic when it comes to elections. I believe this is the fundamental issue.

Posted by: tubal at November 07, 2012 08:32 AM (BoE3Z)

494 >>> @Samwise. I was called a troll before as well. I don't get how a website that talks about valurite and killin' hobos attract so-cons who can't deal with the less religious cons, but they come out sometimes.

lol, funny. True about the valurite.

Wait a minute. killin' hobos is just supposed to be "talk"?

[regrets decision to not use a proxy; dammit!]

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:32 AM (SKX2R)

495 468
Going to Spain next week to see what we have to look forward too.




Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:27 AM (wR+pz)
The brain in Spain is mainly insane.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 08:32 AM (AWmfW)

496 Seriously considering closing my business. I have only a small amount of money left I can use to finish off payroll, pay some of my back taxes which won't be discharged in my impending bankruptcy, and then pay the bankruptcy lawyer and file.

I can't imagine I'm the only small business owner feeling this way this morning. These motherfuckers are about to understand consequences in a very painful way.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 08:32 AM (uD2fR)

497 @472 Oh, and having children and raising them in the One True Church.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 08:32 AM (1V6Pv)

498 The end of the GOP as we know it. Dem Lite is the future.

Posted by: chop480 at November 07, 2012 08:32 AM (Bynhd)

499 Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (PD2ad)

Palinbots claim she's ALWAYS right and events "prove" it; I was pointing out one very big time she was wrong.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:33 AM (KL49F)

500 All the evidence points to the fact that the freeloaders voted themselves some more bread and circuses. It had nothing to do with Christians.



When 50% of the voters have no skin in the game it makes it hard to win. Especially with the lying MFM campaigning actively for the commies.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 08:34 AM (YdQQY)

501 Boston
New York
Baltimore
Norfolk
Charleston
Jacksonville
Miami
Tampa
Mobile
Houston
San Diego
Long Beach
San Francisco
Seattle

At least one of the above cities will not exist in 2016.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 07, 2012 08:34 AM (n1x7a)

502 444
My other
takeaway? The MSM has far, far, far more power than we want to admit to
ourselves. Low information voters just don't access it if it isn't in
the media.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (8kq7+)


This. I used to, kind of, buy into the James Taranto view that media bias actually hurt the left because it caused them to live in a bubble and be unable to defend their policies. That's obviously not the case. Or, at least, the bubble is now so large that it doesn't matter.

Media bias has to be good for at least 2-3% or more of the Democratic vote. And I think that's low-balling it.

In any case, not that I care much, but I wonder what will now happen to the media. They pride themselves in being "watchdogs" of those in power. That's obviously not true, unless those in power are Republican. But now that we are essentially a one-party state, will they continue to be parrots of administration talking points, making themselves irrelevant? At least with Republicans around, they could pretend like they were doing their jobs.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 08:34 AM (s8XaI)

503 I had no idea Palin was running our Libya policy.

Either that, or your statement is completely asinine.

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (PD2ad)

Maybe Aslan's Girl can give us Perrys Libyan policy.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 08:34 AM (AWmfW)

504 "So now that Bush and Romney are history, what's Obama's plan? Does he have one?"

He insists that he has one, which is apparently enough for the country.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 07, 2012 08:34 AM (qiXMt)

505 >>> Chris [Christie] fuck you you're done. You took the Luap Nor I'll vote D from spite seat asshole.

While I concur with your attitude, the problem with your plan is Christie will probably BE a D next time he runs for an elected office ... after serving in the Obama administration for a while.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:34 AM (SKX2R)

506 Hey, how about we turn this blog into a site where people can go that have never needed the government to give them free shit, get the knowledge on how to get free shit. I mean I wouldn't even know where to go, but there are at least 50% of the people in the U.S.A. who have that knowledge. I could be a whole new employment stream for the welfare queens. Giving information to us worker bees on how to get our free Obamapho's.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 07, 2012 08:35 AM (9U1OG)

507 #426 The "watch it burn" mentality is becoming more appealing to me. If we're going to crash, let it happen fast so we can rebuild fast.

The same thought occurred to me. I'm old enough to remember the destructive commie policies in my former country (Romania) and can tell you that this is what's coming here full force. This shit has taken strong root and is flourishing with this administration. The problem with watching it burn is that it took the better part of a century for Romanians to stop watching and do something about it -- and it's still a socialist shithole.

As for Congress, not too jazzed about that. SCOAMF has shown he does not need Congress or any other checks & balances like any true dictator well on his way.

Sorry for the fatalism. I'll feel better tomorrow, but today I just want to wallow in it a bit. This is the first election that was crucial to the direction this country would go in from now on. I don't like where it's headed. I thought I left that behind over 20 years ago.

Posted by: Chalky at November 07, 2012 08:35 AM (nm4/M)

508 448 My husband and i are going to leave the city for some land in Texas and watch america burn. And it will.
Posted by: megthered at November 07, 2012 08:24 AM (iR4Dg)


**

Someone's ignoring the reality of Texas wildfires.

Not to mention that it's not the norm in Texas to be so damned obtuse.

Self sufficiency, yes. Spite for your fellows, no.

You want to live in a fortress, locate outside of Eldorado with the fundamentalists. Just remember that Texans were NOT protected from authoritarian destruction at Mt. Carmel, either.

Posted by: pugilist panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 08:35 AM (BAnPT)

509 "Because the States themselves have no voices in Congress, they have no
wherewithal to oppose the more egregious usurpations of their power.
Because of the Income Tax, direct taxes can now be levied on the People
by the Federal Government, something the Founders desperately sought to
avoid.

The Constitution is dead."

I wouldn't say totally dead, but I would say the only way around the problem requires more than just talking about it. Not just 16th amendment though. You want to point to the IRS, but it goes back further than this. What set the stage for the 16th amendment? *Cough* Lincoln.


Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 08:35 AM (Egza/)

510 @ 487.

OK, here's some good news. We have printed a lot of money, but that's all "government money" There is another kind of money called bank money, which is from fractional reserve banking, i.e. lending more than you have in deposits.

So. our money supply used to be 5% government money, and now is at 15% after all of that printing.

85% is still bank money, which has been stagnant due to regulations like Basel 3 and Dodd Frank.

That means we are from hyper inflation. We may in fact need more money supply from the banks. That could be part of the problem - low rates but no one can get a loan = useless.

Europe is far worse off.

Greece's money supply is like 45% below what it needs to be, thus its in big trouble.

Europe's banks are worse than ours.

Even with Obama we may do better. But we have a tax/spending transition coming up which will not be fun.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 08:35 AM (NV30n)

511 I say again. Palin and McCain got 59 1/2 MILLION VOTES. Last night,
Romney / Ryan got 53 1/2. We left six million votes ON THE TABLE.


If you go back and look at the McCain numbers vs Bush 04 I think you'll see that McCain dropped by a couple million. So both Bush 04 and McCain 08 would have won last night.

There's something radically wrong but I can't put my finger on it yet.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (feFL6)

512 When you lose, you evaluate, correct the mistakes and move on. You do not do the same stupid thing better next time. We just did that "don't alarm the independents and moderates" thing again. It still does not work. It gives a big part of your base no reason to fight for you.

When you make a plan that can be defeated by other people doing nothing...God had better like you a lot.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (6H6FZ)

513 "I said upthread that the Republicans are a loosely affiliated rabble,
while the Democrats are monolithic when it comes to elections."

-- Part of it is that Democrats know how to talk to their coalition members as individuals. This may be a bit of apostasy to speak well of Team Blue here and now, but hear me out. Look at Romney ads; they are big picture ads designed to speak to Republicans. Look at Obama ads. They are discrete, small picture ads designed to speak to specific voting blocs. Romney puts an ad about the economy; Obama puts an ad out about auto workers. Romney puts an ad about Ryan being awesome; Obama puts an ad out voting for him the first time in a kind of creepy "hey girl" kind of way.

That's a lesson Republicans need to learn. Our coalition needs some tender love and care; we need to cut targeted ads for pro-life Republicans that focus on their single, hot-button issue. We need to send information to Log Cabin Republicans about why their vote matters. Lumping people together into the group "Republicans" and being a big tent is great, in theory. But, when it comes to driving out votes, the only way to do it is by being a salesman, one vote at a time. That's something Team Blue does better because they are willing to talk to individuals about their identity and self-interest as opposed to Team Red's insistence that something that is good for all Americans is good for each individual. Yes, a strong economy is good for everyone; but individual voters want to know "What have you done for me lately?"

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (moRRg)

514 Well Thorvald, if the definition of fecundity is not being a part of their global socialist new world order, then yup.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (3R0Zs)

515 I am still having a hard time squaring the sights we saw at Polling Places yesterday with lower turnout than 08.

Not normally a conspiracy supporting individual, but we all saw huge turnouts.
And than they all seemed to go *POOF*

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (BPyqV)

516 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 07, 2012 08:26 AM (wR+pz)

I love Ryan ! I just don't think the Geniuses of Wash. can be ousted! look at the Commission on Debates & see What RINOS are on there. They approved Raddatz & Mrs,. Creosote

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (ck76k)

517 @477 A few hundred felons in Minnesota voting illegally for Sen. Franken in '08 gave the country Obamacare.
Like Lance Armstrong, they dope. We just haven't figured out exactly how.
They probably have Michael effin' Barone advising them on how many dozen votes to cook here, how many score there.
Replace Rove with West, and waterboard some of these bitches until they squeal.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (1V6Pv)

518 "Major props to CAC and JohnE for their work on the AOSHQ Decision Desk."

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING

Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 08:37 AM (jQm+J)

519 The problem with watching it burn is that it took the better part of a
century for Romanians to stop watching and do something about it -- and
it's still a socialist shithole.

**

Exactly. Gloating over our own destruction is staying stuck on stupid.

Posted by: pugilist panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 08:37 AM (BAnPT)

520 Who "forces" anything? There are elections. Primaries. Conservatives are
a formidable force. If a great "non-RINO" (whatever that means)
candidate was capable of winning the primaries (and thence likely
capable of winning a general election)... they would. They will.




The inescapable fact is that the Republican Primary rules favor the establishment candidate who is most often a "moderate". That is what must change.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 08:37 AM (YdQQY)

521 Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 08:28 AM (PD2ad)

As far as I remember, he stayed out of it. But if he advocated helping AQ linked "rebels", I'd light into him on that, too. It was utter madness for Palin to want us to get involved. O's getting involved proves it.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:37 AM (KL49F)

522
I think the idiots have won. We are the era of feeling, and logic is the victim.
Mitt Romney is wrong. Our principles do not endure. Our parents and grandparents, the Founders and de Tocqueville are old and outdated...they were old closed minded racists who lived in a different simpler time. We're in the era of the liberal arts "we know better" generation versus "we know how to do things" generation
Two or three generations of kids indoctrinated with "Republicans are greedy evil sexist racist homophobes who make you pay for things thatshould beyours"
The culture war is lost. We've become infantilized. Gender roles mean nothing. "Men" are seen as relics. Religion and faith, openly mocked. Hollywood which was never a conservative hotbed now reject quiet strength and doing the right thing in favor of 40 year old teenagers, weed,
Liberalism is the new American religion. Go against it, you will be destroyed. Believe it, and all sins are forgiven.
Supply side economics is now a myth per theKeynesians. Business is not admirable, but rather a means to an end.
Journalism is all about "making a difference" and "changing the world"so it appeals to young liberals. Given the religion, all whooppose must be mocked derided and exposed.
The military is noble insofar as a talking point, but it's an imperialistic tool, prone to recruit the stupid and take advantage ofminorities, turning them into brainwashed drones and forcing them to kill innocent people.
Embrace new generation of Conservatives? Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal will be Mia Love and Allen West who were the new JC Watts and Rick Santorum. They will find the young ones we embrace and destroy them, leaving us with old establishment candidates who sound like our parents.
Welcome to our new ruling class. Technocrats who believe the right things who have been told all their life how smart they are, and have never had to really prove it. Our expert class, and our media will tell the morons that they are spewing "facts."

Posted by: Hawkins at November 07, 2012 08:37 AM (DuTGc)

523 It is not changing demographics so much as the way Obama wedged each of those groups. He separated them from each other for targeted messaging and separated them from the GOP by stereotyping the GOP as bigoted toward those groups. (blacks, hispanics, gays, women, the poor, and old people)

He then brought all of those groups together by telling them that their individual group was not the only one the GOP is bigoted agaisnt, they are bigoted against these other groups too. So, don't just vote for your own group vote to protect these other groups from old white racist men.

Posted by: Wodun at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (PEpU8)

524 "We can't fix it, we're done."

No disagreement from me. I think you are right.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (JxIkO)

525 >>> fyi, Nate Silver went 50 for 50.

Yep. Impressive.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (SKX2R)

526 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (feFL6)

Put your Finger on the RINOS is D.C.

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (ck76k)

527 Replace Rove with West
**

This isn't the first national election Rove managed to screw.

Posted by: pugilist panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (BAnPT)

528 Palinbots claim she's ALWAYS right and events "prove" it; I was pointing out one very big time she was wrong.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:33 AM (KL49F)
Palinhaters claim she's ALWAYS wrong.There would be good and bad outcomes from the war in libya, mostly depending on how the AFTERMATH was handled.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (AWmfW)

529 Off to class. Wearing my INGSOC logo T-shirt.
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
I love Big Brother.
See youse guys in the camps.

Posted by: little miss spellcheck at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (a5ljo)

530 "Chick-Fil-A happened."


Probably part of the reason Romney lost.

That wasn't a good-thing, and appeared as nothing more than a fairty-tale lover's hate-circle-jerk to those of us who don't dwell on gay cock.

Voting with your beliefs is one thing, but lining up like that made conservatives look hateful and petty.

And it was immediately associated with Romney.



Posted by: blehzor at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (s9K+V)

531 484
fyi, Nate Silver went 50 for 50.

Intrade is now 100 for Obama.

live and learn!

------

I guess we don't need elections anymore. In fairness, though, Silver went where the polls told him to go. That's all fine and good. He trusted them more than I did, and he was right. I was wrong. But I'm not really that impressed. He didn't really go out on any limbs. He just always picked the team expected to win and they did.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (s8XaI)

532 @514 fecundity = new life. That's what they, down deep and dirty, really hate. "It's only a film, Muffy." "But, Mommy, Soylent Green IS people!"

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 08:39 AM (1V6Pv)

533 "How long will people be willing to put up with that?"

“Herbert Stein’s Law: “If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.”

Just all you good patriots, make sure you are well prepared when it does stop, because it will. We are past the fiscal tipping point. Garden, learn how to fix thing at home, do without less, learn any all skills for maintaining everyday life, become self sustaining as much as you can.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 08:39 AM (3Kxux)

534 Posted by: tubal at November 07, 2012 08:32 AM (BoE3Z) -__________ That is NOT a fact. After FL is added in, Romney got MORE than McCain. Obama got less than 2008, even with FL added in. http://tinyurl.com/7qqxlkk Repeating untruths over and over does not make them true.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:40 AM (opS9C)

535 498The end of the GOP as we know it. Dem Lite is the future.Posted by: chop480 at November 07, 2012 08:32 AM (Bynhd)We had our chance for transformative conservative reform during the Bush years and the opportunity was pissed away.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 07, 2012 08:40 AM (8cOY0)

536 Wodun said my point with more cynicism and better delivery.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:40 AM (moRRg)

537 And today, the United States turns over the job of saving the nation from an enormous debt to a man who has spent over 553 million dollars to win a job that pays $400,000/year.

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:40 AM (ck76k)

538 "I wanted PERRY."

ROFL. Clearly an informed person you are. Perry is as corrupt is the day is long. Can't believe people are still talking about that turd. TX should be ashamed.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 08:40 AM (Egza/)

539
535
Good God. Why do my comments always run together like that?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 07, 2012 08:40 AM (8cOY0)

540 178
You guys need to stop being such sissies. Obama is waging a war on math,
Obamacare is no more permanent than any other thing on this earth.


-----------

It took 75 years for the Soviet Union to collapse. Seventy. Five. Years.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 07, 2012 08:40 AM (1c58W)

541 530
Posted by: blehzor at November 07, 2012 08:38 AM (s9K+V)

_________ Are you serious? It got no media coverage. What was disgusting to this gay man is threats from political officials to Chick Fil A due to their religious belief.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 08:42 AM (opS9C)

542 540 It took 75 years for the Soviet Union to collapse. Seventy. Five. Years.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 07, 2012 08:40 AM (1c58W)


and 36-50 million political murders.

Good luck comrades.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 08:42 AM (LRFds)

543 YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 08:37 AM (jQm+J)

Were you thinking that CAC was somehow supposed to win the election by some statistical legerdemain?

AOSHQDD was basically a news service - not magic.

Talk about shooting the messenger.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 08:43 AM (sbV1u)

544 " say again. Palin and McCain got 59 1/2 MILLION VOTES. Last night,

Romney / Ryan got 53 1/2. We left six million votes ON THE TABLE.

If
you go back and look at the McCain numbers vs Bush 04 I think you'll
see that McCain dropped by a couple million. So both Bush 04 and McCain
08 would have won last night.

There's something radically wrong but I can't put my finger on it yet."

Absolutely correct. And we were seeing huge turnout in our red precincts. Numbers from target precincts up over 2008 by thousands. But millions of votes weren't there on the final tally.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:43 AM (JxIkO)

545 Voting machines too easily corrupt results.

http://tinyurl.com/a5vucnu


Posted by: pugilist panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 08:43 AM (BAnPT)

546 Jade Sea
You have been rewarded for your prayers.

Last night I quoted that very psalm (poorly) to my sister. It has been running on a loop in my brain for at least 6 years. It brings some measure of peace to my unquite mind.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 07, 2012 08:43 AM (+VMZ0)

547 Some of our number around here are acting as though standing foreign armies are encamped on our land and laying waste to Americans everywhere.
Red Dawn?

Posted by: Lynne at November 07, 2012 08:43 AM (+Uv5V)

548 The inescapable fact is that the Republican Primary
rules favor the establishment candidate who is most often a "moderate".
That is what must change.


Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 08:37 AM (YdQQY)

I agree with this and also ramming home voter id in as many states as possible

Posted by: Red Shirt at November 07, 2012 08:44 AM (FIDMq)

549 Andy sneaked in a post half an hour ago.

Posted by: Vic at November 07, 2012 08:44 AM (YdQQY)

550 "496 Seriously considering closing my business. I have only a small amount of money left I can use to finish off payroll, pay some of my back taxes which won't be discharged in my impending bankruptcy, and then pay the bankruptcy lawyer and file.

I can't imagine I'm the only small business owner feeling this way this morning. These motherfuckers are about to understand consequences in a very painful way. "

I am from California. Started a business overseas, now one in Cali. Made money import and export to the USA. 2008 on has been a nightmare. Slowing clawing my way back, but making so little money.

I seriously regret not going to work for the state like my family did. They have super salaries, pensions, and no stress. They never have to make payroll or live with their decisions. I fucked up.

So I know where you are coming from.

Government employees should never make enough that business people regret not becoming a bureaucrat.

Oh well, too old to get another job.

Also, not eligible for unemployment probably not SSDI for "depression"

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 08:44 AM (NV30n)

551 Unless, the declining GOP numbers is simple demographics, the old folks that could be depended upon are dying, being replaced by younger 'independents'.

That hemorrhaging has to be stopped.

One other myth that got busted last night is that women vote for the more attractive man, or the one with better hair.


Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 08:45 AM (feFL6)

552 "I can't have a beer for breakfast, I have to teach today."

Sad first post from a long time lurker who is too busy to comment . . .

Cobloggers-- how 'bout a thread on what to do financially to survive the next 4 years -- esp. with investment stocks, dividends , taxes and so on.

Posted by: Far Post at November 07, 2012 08:45 AM (7trj5)

553 I think the one thing we forgot about Silver is he was probably getting Obama internals this time too. We should have realized that and paid more attention.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:45 AM (JxIkO)

554
As far as I remember, he stayed out of it. But
if he advocated helping AQ linked "rebels", I'd light into him on that,
too. It was utter madness for Palin to want us to get involved. O's
getting involved proves it.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:37 AM (KL49F)
"Stayed out" = present?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 08:45 AM (AWmfW)

555 (Sorry if someone beat me to this, but I'm not scrolling through 500+ comments to find out first1)

Michael Barone has a pretty good post-mortem examiningwhere his analyses went wrong: http://tinyurl.com/b6uknor

I agree with him that we have a lot to learn from this election. But the libtards are going to have a lot more to learn over the next 4 years....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 07, 2012 08:46 AM (wtvvX)

556 Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:33 AM (KL49F)


The country's fucked and you're still whining about Palin?

Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 08:46 AM (PD2ad)

557 Voting machines are banned in Germany and in Ireland.

Posted by: pugilist panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 08:46 AM (BAnPT)

558 Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 08:45 AM (JxIkO)

Yep !! & should have seen Preibus's false bravado as that !! BUt I was drinking the Fucking Kool-Aid

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 08:47 AM (ck76k)

559 " I can't imagine I'm the only small business owner feeling this way this morning. "

You aren't, my biz is less than 50 people, since I have no plans now to grow it, wife and I basically had an understanding, if Soetero gets in again, we're not going thru this chit for another 4 years. We will be closing our business by the end of the year, as soon as possible, before the higher taxes set in in jan 2013. Since the Barry Govt thinks its I didn't build my business, fine, have at it sport.

I am done. Going John Gault.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 08:47 AM (3Kxux)

560 Samwise is a troll.

He began last night by just passively suggesting that maybe perhaps Evangelicals didn't turn out for the Mormon. Then he began pushing the topic on multiple threads till finally now he's here today asserting his original suggestion as irrefutable fact.

He's offered no proof because there is none.

The Right blogosphere will be crawling with trolls like him for the next few days who pop into comments-threads and begin floating ideas to account for last night's "loss" by first questioning whether the GOP's anti-Amnesty stance cost them Latinos. Then they'll begin flatly asserting that. Then they'll go after Akin and the So Cons. Then "Tea Party Intransigence". And all their talking points will just happen to mirror the Jeb Bush RINO talking points against the groups making up the GOP base who stick to the principles the elites find "uncomfortable" or "off-putting to Moderates".

They're setting up the scapegoats and attempting to condition us to accept their crappy accommodationist agenda. Let's not fall for it.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 08:48 AM (Z6XSF)

561 Posted by: real joe at November 07, 2012 08:46 AM (PD2ad)

I wasn't the one who brought her up; Palinbots are busy blaming Romney's campaign today and saying she was never wrong about anything.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:49 AM (KL49F)

562 Done.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 07, 2012 08:49 AM (6H6FZ)

563 Posted by: pugilist panzernashorn at November 07, 2012 08:46 AM (BAnPT)

Interesting. Wonder why /sarc

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:50 AM (KL49F)

564
We can't overcome the narratives. The world hates us because of Bush. Reagan createdmore poor and let gays die from AIDS. Greedy unregulated banks caused the economy to collapse and the housing bubble to burst.High taxes pay deficits and deficit spending grows economy. Obamahas spent less than any President sinceEisenhower,turned this economy around and lowered unemployment better than anyone could have because "math" and "facts."

Posted by: Hawkins at November 07, 2012 08:50 AM (DuTGc)

565 "It took 75 years for the Soviet Union to collapse. Seventy. Five. Years."

An interesting point. Need to do some research on USSR debt history. I'm guessing their levels of debt were nowhere even remotely in the ballpark of ours.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 08:51 AM (Egza/)

566
I wasn't the one who brought her up; Palinbots
are busy blaming Romney's campaign today and saying she was never wrong
about anything.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:49 AM (KL49F)

So how do you cope with Romney saying the A-Q rebels in Syria should be armed?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 08:52 AM (AWmfW)

567 Unless one is prepared to believe that dozens of Republican Secretaries of State are in on some grand conspiracy, spouting off that there is "something wrong" because all of our anecdotal accounts of large lines don't square with actual counted votes sounds a lot like Democrats in 2004 complaining about conspiracies because the exit polls were off from actual counted votes.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Romney ran with the electorate that is, not the one he wished would be. There isn't a whole lot he could have done but didn't do. Accept it.

The Dems put everything into saving Obama and a Senate majority. They did everything possible to scare the shit out of people like my lesbian neighbors. And it worked.

I was wrong. We all were.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at November 07, 2012 08:53 AM (dcoFe)

568 I'm seeing some notes that in some places, Romney was decidedly winning independents. If that's true, that'll hurt.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:54 AM (moRRg)

569 "It took 75 years for the Soviet Union to collapse. Seventy. Five. Years.""

It will not take that long here in America. Our standard of living is one of the highest in the world, and we have the world's reserve currency. That standard of living will start falling quite massively, no new growth and more debt, the decline will be much more noticeable much more quickly. And the self feeding collapse will be much more accelerated. They will keep chanting "tax the rich", until the middle class will be considered rich, and that's when the real collapse will come. It will not take 75 years, 2 years tops. 2013, there will be a deep recession in this country.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 08:55 AM (3Kxux)

570 Welcome to the People's Democratic Republic of America.

Remember how all those years, the primary in the South was the election? Now that is the nation. Only there's no such thing as conservative Democrats any more.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 07, 2012 08:55 AM (imtbm)

571
560
Well as far as going after "Akin and SoCons", I'd have to agree with them there. Akin was and is a selfish moron, and there is a segment of Huckabee style SoCons to whom smaller government is a secondary concern.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 07, 2012 08:55 AM (8cOY0)

572 Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 08:52 AM (AWmfW)

I vehemently disagreed with him on that. I know Christians in Syria actually hope Assad stays in because they are terrified of the alternative (another Muslim Brohood like Egypt).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 08:56 AM (KL49F)

573 november1981, you said this:

>>> Funny how no one mentioned this scenario as a serious liability for a prospective Romney candidacy during the nomination-

Only that is NOT a fact.

I did. At the time I said it over and over again.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=324619#c16710867

Using username Random before I chose this much cooler one.

Although later Mitt sold me. Look, I'm not blaming Mitt. I'm just wondering if I was right after all when I said this

---

Legal Insurrection and Jonathan Last have some sobering observations
about Mitt's vaunted electability. Others have linked this today.


http://legalinsurrection.com/?p=12789


Mitt isn't electable nor is Huntsman. No way 2 Mormons get the right wing Christian base's support en masse.

That's how I see it. I hope I'm wrong.

--

Not only did I say it, but top-flight bloggers and columnists said it. Don't pretend this issue wasn't raised in the primary.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:57 AM (SKX2R)

574 Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:36 AM (moRRg)

Interesting point, but refuted because of this: it's MUCH more difficult for Republicans (unlike Democrats) to get away with such a fragmented or particularized campaign, appealing separately to different groups...

Because of MSM bias. The MSM will always play up any "wedge issues" or contradictions or tensions in the GOP coalition (or with respect to independents) that might crop up in the GOP campaign. The GOP is forced to maintain a more "harmonious" (and thus more "bland") overall message because the MSM will seize on anything they can use to divide the GOP (or alienate independents/ Dems from the GOP).

Cf. The Akin saga. The entirety of the GOP distanced itself from Akin's remarks, but the MSM conflated them anyway.

Whereas the Dems can get away with appealing to all sorts of different groups (which are in many ways in tension with each other), and there's little risk that the MSM will use that diverse messaging against them, aim to exacerbate tension or create intra-party conflict. Whereas they LOVE to seize on any intra-GOP tension/ conflict and magnify it.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 08:57 AM (tUcg9)

575 " Only there's no such thing as conservative Democrats any more. "

There are no such things as "moderate/centrist" demonrats anymore either.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at November 07, 2012 08:57 AM (3Kxux)

576 I think we lose the House in 2014. We get the blame for being "obstructionist"

Posted by: Hawkins at November 07, 2012 08:58 AM (DuTGc)

577 Lael: You are correct. That is a problem. But, like my math teacher would always ask after presenting us with one: Any thoughts or suggestions? We'll have to thread the needle.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 08:59 AM (moRRg)

578 If you like $4 gas, you'll love $9 gas.
Posted by: Martin at November 07, 2012 07:28 AM (MSrqi)

I can't wait to see how much the next 100 gallons of heating oil costs...

Posted by: Lynne at November 07, 2012 08:59 AM (+Uv5V)

579 Posted by: Hawkins at November 07, 2012 08:58 AM (DuTGc)

With the tweet Boehner put out last night, I don't think he's going to be an "obstructionist"

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 09:00 AM (KL49F)

580 Longtime reader & appreciate the quality & humour of all the blogs and comments.

Very disappointing result last night. I think it's a combination of the 47%+ clinging to their entitlements, blatant media bias, voter fraud and the extreme religious factions on the right that simply could not vote for a Mormon or felt the need to spew about their thoughts on rape.

Sigh.

Posted by: free at November 07, 2012 09:02 AM (Z5kvH)

581 Unless one is prepared to believe that dozens of Republican Secretaries
of State are in on some grand conspiracy, spouting off that there is
"something wrong" because all of our anecdotal accounts of large lines
don't square with actual counted votes sounds a lot like Democrats in
2004 complaining about conspiracies because the exit polls were off from
actual counted votes.


You are seeing something that has not been said. I see no one coming to a conclusion of massive voter fraud that took 10 million votes away from Democrats compared to 08. So stuff it.

There is something fundamentally different about this election and openly conjecturing about the reasons for it is not the same as putting a tin-foil hat on.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 09:02 AM (feFL6)

582 The Constitution is dead.

And the country I once knew along with it.

I give up.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, with laptop dead at November 07, 2012 09:02 AM (lOmbq)

583 Oh I don't think we'll be "obstructionist" I think we'll go in and be moderate wishy washy "work with them" types. And when these economic measures don't work, it will be because we didn't reach across the aisle enough, we blocked even more spending, whatever. The narrative will matter more than the actual reality of what happened. "We failed because Republicans were mean and didn't let us do what we wanted"

Posted by: Hawkins at November 07, 2012 09:03 AM (DuTGc)

584 I do know that a lot of people I know who decided to vote Johnson or not vote since "Romney and Obama are the same!" seem... kind of upset about the result of the election on Facebook/Twitter. Awkward.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 09:04 AM (moRRg)

585 Cf. The Akin saga. The entirety of the GOP distanced itself from Akin's remarks, but the MSM conflated them anyway.

Whereas
the Dems can get away with appealing to all sorts of different groups
(which are in many ways in tension with each other), and there's little
risk that the MSM will use that diverse messaging against them, aim to
exacerbate tension or create intra-party conflict. Whereas they LOVE to
seize on any intra-GOP tension/ conflict and magnify it.


Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 08:57 AM (tUcg9)

MSM keeps every democrat blatant contradiction in suspense and conflates all republicans.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 09:05 AM (AWmfW)

586 Fecundity = new life = not a part of a boot on the face of humanity forever.
Works for me.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 07, 2012 09:05 AM (JCIjD)

587 Matt S., I don't know.

But I have to say, in this particular campaign-- Romney vs. Obama-- I thought Romney's "big picture" campaign was an asset, a positive, something I was proud of (as opposed to Obama's big bird/ binders/ birth control/ etc. campaign, a campaign of little pieces).

In other words, I don't know that I would ascribe Obama's victory to his fragmented, petty messaging (as opposed to Romney's more overarching vision). IMO This is one reason Romney *deserved* to win (and Obama deserved to lose). But I don't know whether this aspect made a difference in who won and who lost, in terms of political efficacy.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 09:07 AM (tUcg9)

588 With the tweet Boehner put out last night, I don't think he's going to be an "obstructionist"

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 09:00 AM (KL49F)

He declared he's fully lubed?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 07, 2012 09:07 AM (AWmfW)

589 Eh, I think the results speak for themselves on which strategy was more effective. Romney didn't get out the vote.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 09:08 AM (moRRg)

590 If redhead Georgiana or whatever her name is, decrees that Christie is the next nominee, Christie will be the next nominee. Remember she said so of Mitt and despite all our wanting someone else, lo and behold, we got Mitt.

She can make that flatulent fuck the nominee. She can't make us vote for him.

Posted by: Herbert Hoover at November 07, 2012 09:08 AM (zF6Iw)

591 397 Smwise - Mybe it was moderates who didn't show up for Mormon.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 09:10 AM (opS9C)

592 Is CAC responsible for the fact that Romney conceded when he ahead 191 to 130?

Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 09:11 AM (jQm+J)

593
2010 was a massive electoral landslide- an epic rejection of the Statist agenda.

How many pundits opined that Obama "misread the nation", that he went far Left with a Center-Right electorate.

Yet these same pundits pronounced just last night that the electorate had changed- had embraced with open arms that same Statist agenda.

So at which point during the last two years did this nation switch on a dime?


Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 09:12 AM (Z6XSF)

594 Wrong as usual, Gabby. D'ohbama Supreme Court nominees can be stopped. Stop playing by Marquis de Queensbury rules when the thugs are using brass knuckles. The Koch brothers (for example) could hire armies of private detectives to dig up dirt on every loon Barry wants to put on the bench. Dig it up and publicize it. Make the process a living Hell for every nominee and their families.

Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 09:15 AM (jQm+J)

595 Fuck women. And I am one. Posted by: Infidel at November 07, 2012 08:10 AM (Vk6ZI)
Is that a request?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 07, 2012 08:13 AM (sbV1u)


Actually, that reminds me of a funny opera story. Tenors are known for being a little crazy; one of their quirks, on the professional level, is abstaining from sex before big performances, in order to save their manly essence for the high C's.

Years ago, a bass-baritone at La Scala found himself riding on a train with the wives of two very famous tenors. "How long has it been for you, madame?" he asked the first. "One month," she replied.

"And you, madame?" he asked the other.

"Seven weeks."

At which point the singer bowed to them and said, "If I can be of service to either of you ladies. . ."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 09:15 AM (zF6Iw)

596 lachan:

Math is Destiny.

You're fucked.


Posted by: Armando at November 07, 2012 09:15 AM (5iuEW)

597 Matt S., but it's still an open question *what* the relevant (victory-producing) difference was. It could be one or more of any number of factors-- not necessarily Obama's entire "strategy" (vs. Romney's entire "strategy"). It could be due to factors external to both campaign strategies.

The fact that one campaign won and the other lost (overall) does not by itself determine that any (particular) tactics employed by one campaign or the other are to be judged successful or a failure.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 09:17 AM (tUcg9)

598

The simple explanation is that lots of Christians didn't turn out for a Mormon.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:16 AM (SKX2R)

Yes. Simple minds crave simple explanations. You must be feeling satiated, I'd imagine.

Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at November 07, 2012 09:19 AM (NBj0d)

599 That's true enough. I'm just inferring that since both campaigns suffered from lower turn outs than 2008, that turn out was important, and that Romney somehow botched turning the enthusiasm to votes. I don't know how yet, but I think that for all Romney's ability to counter punch with ads, something dropped through the cracks.

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 09:19 AM (moRRg)

600 262
"Answering the abortion-rape question at all is fucking stupid."



If Catholic, say "I am Catholic, ask the church."



If evenagelical, I heard some awesome answers from felllow morons.
Its not hard. But these guys have a hard on to show how Christian they
are and educate us all.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 09:10 AM (NV30n)


Nope. The correct answer is "That's a difficult question that should be decided by state legislatures after giving everyone a chance to have their say."

Posted by: schizoid at November 07, 2012 09:19 AM (mnpQF)

601
Other issues that would require control of the Senate, like nixing Supreme Court nominees and chipping away at Obamacare, are basically conceded.

Which means socialism will become the law of the land, once Teh One appoints a couple more wise latinas to the Supremes.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 07, 2012 09:20 AM (1hM1d)

602
I took out my frustration with two doe this morning....waiting on the buck I've seen wandering around for this afternoon. I think I'm going to need all of the harvested food I can gather, process and store. I've been looking for a better job for 6 months. I thought that once the election was over, a Romney presidency would break things loose. Now, I'm looking at a future that doesn't have much promise in it. Time to check out of society and go primal.

Oh, and to that fuck Lachlan....when everyone runs out of money to pay for your sorry ass, what can you bring to the table?

Posted by: Hill Country Texan at November 07, 2012 09:22 AM (jXy/Q)

603 November1981, you said this:

>>> Funny how no one mentioned this scenario as a serious liability for a prospective Romney candidacy during the nomination-

I showed in comment 573 how during the primary I made this point, as did William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection and Jonathon Last at the Weekly Standard.
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334731#c19631552

I and others made this point repeatedly during the primary. Are you just going to let your inaccurate claim stand unretracted?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 09:25 AM (SKX2R)

604
<i>So at which point during the last two years did this nation switch on a dime?</i>
It didn't, Obama didn't turn his machine on for the midterm, much like the first debate that he thought he "won" he was complacent. That was the moment the Tea Party became evil, and he nonstopped campaigned for two years. We misread an anamoly as a "mandate"

Posted by: Hawkins at November 07, 2012 09:27 AM (DuTGc)

605 The one thing that made me smile this morning was that John Murtha's redistricted seat went to a Republican last night. Mark Critz won a cage match with Jason Altmire to run for the 12th District aganst Republican Keith Rothfus. Altmire was the congressman for PA 4th and Critz was finishing out his first full elected term. Critz was even endorsed ny the NRA and the area was always a Democratic stronghold. One problem, lots of coal mines and at least 4 or 5 large coal fired power plants in the district or close by. I do believe this was a shot across the bow for Obama's war on coal.

Posted by: Haze Gray at November 07, 2012 09:27 AM (oDybj)

606 I have been a faithful lurker here at Ace's place for many a year. This is my first post.

I feel absolutely devastated by the election results. Like I took a solid punch to the gut. I had to take the day off work. I couldn't face the inevitable glee from the many O-bots that are most of my Capitol Hill coworkers. All they want is to continue their cushy jobs. To hell with the country! They couldn't care less.

I don't think Romney was a bad candidate. He ran a great campaign. However, our side doesn't set the narrative. The Dems control the real organs of power: the mass media. As long as the openly liberal MSM control the gateways to information then our message will never be effectively displayed.

A few slices of unvarnished information that manage to slip past the gatekeepers is not enough to overcome the daily barrage of innuendos, lies, and slander from the MSM. The media is still able to paint a negative picture of all things conservative. And face it, many people still take at face value the narrative the press feeds them. How do you overcome the propaganda wars waged by the fourth estate?

Fed up on the Hill

Posted by: Fed up on the Hill at November 07, 2012 09:33 AM (86iXq)

607
I saw the strike list in several counties in OH and the numbers of R votes DO NOT match up with the number of Rs we had voting on the strike list.
Not by a long shot.
So, (making up numbers here) if the vote count says 20,000 Rs voted, our strike list had 30,000 Rs voting.
They should be the exact same. Plus, I saw these earlier in the night and I know that I voted at 8AM and was called twice because my name was not marked of the voting roll for yesterday even though I signed the book and showed my ID.
How is that possible?
Yes, our Sec in charge of voting is an R. That is why it made no sense to see R/R's name as the last name on the Pres. ballot under 3 or 4 other names. I bet the guy in the 2nd slot garnered voted by people who waited in line for hours and just assumed they were voting R/R when actually they were voting for a no name in the 2nd slot.

And yes, our Sec of /
How

Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 09:54 AM (fKyrY)

608 *** Gov. Romney ran a strong campaign. His error, one that all of us in the Republican Party shared, was in not realizing just how far the election in 2008 had shifted voter demographics in presidential elections. We were led astray by the unusual win in 2010. We believed that 2008 had been an aberration, rather than a new normal. ***

Interesting analysis. I agree completely.

Stop calling the other side liberals. They are not. They are very, very, very thinly veiled demagogues. In the same fashion, numbnuts foot-in-mouth fuckstains like Akin cannot be allowed to be identified as conservatives. They are reactionaries, and should be treated as such.

The Republican Party needs an intellectual upswelling much as the Tea Party was a sort of economic upswelling, but so long as America's "educated class" is uneasy about, afraid to mix with, or taught to shun the "deer-hunting Jesus freaks" who are in fact the nation's engine, and so long as the "deer-hunting Jesus freaks" are so busy merely making a living that they can't broaden their minds and get rid of the worst of the stupidly ignorant among them, the chances of that happening are low. Pump them out, Mark Steyn - pump them out and raise them well.

Posted by: perturbed at November 07, 2012 09:55 AM (u6Ueb)

609
I took out my frustration with two doe this morning....waiting on the buck I've seen wandering around for this afternoon


Ha. I killed two Friday. buck and doe. They were getting ready to get in one so I shot the buck and the doe just stopped and stared at me for 5 minutes so I shot her too, just for being stupid

Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 09:56 AM (fKyrY)

610 The simple explanation is that Romney was right about the 47 per cent. The welfare rats won it. If you doubt that, consider this: this morning "Fuck Whitey" was trending on Twitter.

Posted by: kim at November 07, 2012 10:09 AM (JSebC)

611 Posted by: Jade Sea at November 07, 2012 07:51 AM (N9x3u)

---------------

Thank you for posting this. It was an encouragement to me.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 10:15 AM (P6QsQ)

612 After the fiasco in Iowa and all of the hate scattered 'round by the GOP toward anything RP...I say tough shit.

I really don't expect much from the squish party at this point...like you guys got some kind of magic reaching across the aisle. Meh.

Posted by: Justice Is A Dish Best Served Cold at November 07, 2012 10:21 AM (Aon8R)

613 What makes you think Congress will stop him?

He will do exactly what he wants -- we can't wait -- and then blame Repubs for saying no. It worked the past four years, why wouldn't it continue to work now?

Posted by: PJ at November 07, 2012 10:59 AM (DQHjw)

614 The House will do precisely jack-shit.

The Progs took power in 2008. We failed to dislodge them yesterday. Now they will consolidate power. They will not be removed.

Posted by: Scobface at November 07, 2012 11:22 AM (IoNBC)

615 A friend of mine in AA used to talk about "high-bottom" and "low-bottom" alcoholics. The high-bottom drunks were people who got sober after one or two very bad incidents - they were fired, or got a DUI or their spouses threatened to leave them. The low-bottoms were people who had to lose everything and completely wreck their health before they quit drinking. I had hoped America was a high bottom drunk, but no, people are so addicted to federal spending and freebies and sweet little lies told to them by pols and MSM, that we, as a country, will have to end up sleeping on that park bench before we wake up.

And for some people, that park bench will be literal.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 07, 2012 11:25 AM (7OHl8)

616 Oh, and thank you to Ace and all the co-bloggers and everyone here who volunteered for R/R. We did our best. It wasn't enough.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 07, 2012 11:29 AM (7OHl8)

617 Stock market down 307 pts this morning so far. Just a small sample, sadly, of all that is to come.....

Posted by: crowsting at November 07, 2012 11:39 AM (61BD9)

618 The next four years are gonna hurt like hell for all of us. It isn't the end of the Republic, though it may feel that way at times.

Posted by: GalosGann at November 07, 2012 01:01 PM (T3KlW)

619 576 I think we lose the House in 2014. We get the blame for being "obstructionist"
Yes we will. Obama's already set the state for that and last night pvoed that a large number of American's are stupid enough to buy it.

Posted by: Natasha at November 07, 2012 01:27 PM (jU5uf)

620 Do not believe any nonsense that this is the end of the GOP. Democrats say that every time. Tea Partiers also say that. The fact is that the popular vote was 48% to 50%. That's amazingly close.

"Hyuck! No wonder we beat them in football almost half the time!"

Posted by: Bitter Scribe at November 07, 2012 03:50 PM (tz6Mq)

621 One thing, I am done with the republicans. I am a conservative. The republicans in Florida had the redistricting power, and they redistricted Allen West out of office instead of a democrat. The republicans piled on Akin and denied him funds. I'm always hearing we gotta support the candidate because we dont want the democrat to win,.... I never see them supporting a conservative over a democrat. If they dont give a fuck why should I? Go to hell. I will never ever vote for a cock sucking liberal republican again. You ran McCain and now Romney, how did that work out? The republicans are finished.

Posted by: Dumpsterjuice at November 07, 2012 05:04 PM (vLsjz)

622 "Minnesota became the first state to reject a ballot initiative to amend their constitution to ban gay marriage."


Actually, Arizona was the first state to reject a constitutional ban--Prop. 107 in 2006. That loss was decisively reversed in 2008 with the victory of Prop. 102.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at November 07, 2012 07:28 PM (+Qbug)

623 Stockdale, wasn't that the guy who became Ross Perot's VP? Who aided and abetted us getting Bill Clinton?

Despite his military career, that doesn't show me a man of good judgment so I'm not giving his words any value.

We just endured 4 years of bearing up under the strain and to no avail. We even lost ground.

The progressives have won. To continue to fight is a waste of effort and resources better spent on securing a place to hold as a shelter against the coming storm.

A pox on all their houses.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 07:55 PM (SP4jC)






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