A Salve for the Evening

We've been punched in the gut before. I think this time it's a little more painful because we can't believe that half of America could possibly vote for a man whose policies have been so costly and so ineffective. It's like going to bed with your S.O. and waking up to a complete stranger...

...who happens to be punching you in the gut.

So I suppose there should be healing, yes? Some sort of Kubler-Ross five stage process to get through this?

Fortunately we at AoSHQ long ago perfected a 1-stage healing process which served us remarkably well through the 2006 and 2008 elections. In layman's terms, we skip right over the Denial/Anger/Bargaining/Depression/Acceptance malarkey and play to one of our major strengths:

Making fun of Dems.

So let me gift you this thread, and encourage you to express your appreciation for the insightful public, the supportive media, and the outstanding administration which have provided us with such a promising 4-year future.

Posted by: Geoff at 02:33 AM



Comments

1 At least we can now tell the Indians to go fuck themselves, we elected 0/32's of one to the Senate

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (AREf/)

2

Posted by: kakypat at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (HUXet)

3 Too soon, Geoff. Thanks for the effort.

Posted by: Helen at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (93bH6)

4 and at least 51% of America is a Stuttering Clusterfuck Of A Miserble Mooch

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (AREf/)

5 I like the dems..they make me cry with pride.

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (psSW6)

6 3
Too soon, Geoff. Thanks for the effort.

Posted by: Helen at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (93bH6)

The sooner the better for me... Thanks..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (9+ccr)

7 I want to punch a complete stranger in the balls.

Because they deserve it.

Posted by: kakypat at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (HUXet)

8 I grow despondent.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (Cl95C)

9 maybe that dude from Charles in Charge got it right. That Rapture shit is for reals and THIS was the test...
Goodbye Bichez!

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (AREf/)

10 Yea I just don't understand why people aren't getting this isn't time to joke? This isn't '06 or '08 or any other time. We are at the fiscal fucking cliff. In 4 years, it's over people. We are Greece by that time. There is no coming back.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (arczc)

11 They destroyed the country in 40 years of slow indoctrination...we can turn it back half that!

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (psSW6)

12 Somebody explain how the outcome fits the data. This all makes no sense. 2008 made sense; this is a mystery to me. All the underlying data said we'd win. All the numbers were on our side. WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK HAPPENED AND WHY????

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (lJJMb)

13 Hahaah cry more.

Posted by: Brown Skinned Lin at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (pOBFD)

14 8
I grow despondent.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (Cl95C)























Don't it still is the same shit we've seen for the last 4 years except now obama will own it completely.. We're innocent because we didn't vote for the fuck..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (9+ccr)

15 I'm going to adopt a kitten and name it Nancy then punch it in the face.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (AREf/)

16
Too soon, Geoff. Thanks for the effort.

Meh - the last thread was too morbid. Needed a change of venue.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (SnU+8)

17 "Goodbye Bichez!"

Well, Ace DID say we have this, bichez.

What to do?

Posted by: kakypat at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (HUXet)

18 OK, will Obama's next budget break the 98-0 rate?

Will anyone hear about that now, or will it all be about how the House blocked his budget?

Man, the media is going to be busy.

No dog stories this time, since he already has a dog.

Maybe they will remodel the white house.

And where will Michelle jet off to next?

Paris is my guess.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (NV30n)

19 14
wrong, we still have the house, so it's still all our fault.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (AREf/)

20 Silver lining: Pelosi is not in power.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:40 AM (NV30n)

21 If Bachmann loses I'm gonna lose it.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:40 AM (arczc)

22 I'm baaack bitches.

Posted by: Joe Stalin at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (psSW6)

23 18 Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (NV30n)

Busy?! Those motherfucking hacks just got themselves another 4 year vacation!

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (AREf/)

24 When I heard Van Jones brag that they had signed up 1M new AAs to vote, I call..........nefarious on their ass.

Posted by: kakypat at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (HUXet)

25 Unless the economy does magically turn around, there is a chance the Obama favorables will start dropping and fast. Which could be good for house republicans, and the country.

Posted by: DarrenODaly at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (ILhUm)

26 I hope upon hope that the Congress realizes that getting along with obama gets them no where.. Do nothing and call news conferences every week to explain why...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (9+ccr)

27 I too am despondent. I will not bounce back. I am older and fear what Obama will do to me in future if I need real healthcare--just tell me to die I suppose. I am sad for my country that is now a social democracy not a republic anymore. It is not a funny time.

Posted by: AnnaS at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (MwpNJ)

28 Two Democrats walk into a bar. One works for the mayor and the other for the EEOC, so the bar owner is afraid of them, and he gives them free drinks. This makes women at the bar think the two dudes are important people and that other people like them—maybe they're celebrities!—and so those dudes get so laid all the time.

LOL

Posted by: oblig. (who's been politely silent) at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (cePv8)

29 Fuck you. Sharia law. Christ dies.

Posted by: Islamic Socialist at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (pOBFD)

30 I can't tell who I am more pissed at, the "both parties are the same" fucktards or the "your racist and voted for a guy with magic underwear" cunts

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (AREf/)

31 Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Expect the worst.

Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.

Posted by: davidt at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (8/bPb)

32 If Bohner is still Speaker it won't make any difference. Also, Obama is unimpeachable - say hello to EO government. I wonder if this is how the Roman's felt when Caesar took over.

Posted by: rabidfox at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (mUY0r)

33 It's really hard to make fun of them tonight when they both won and were closer to right about the election than we were.

I also appreciate the effort though.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (SKX2R)

34 So we were too Right winged? Romney was a moderte and we can't win? The Us is fucked...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (9+ccr)

35
Someone has been drinking alot. Tomorrow will hurt.

Posted by: basokla at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (rYfQs)

36 12 Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (lJJMb)________ What data? UE? GDP? Polls?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (opS9C)

37 I never knew that the barrel of a .357 tasted this minty.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (V4mSR)

38 Dems will own the collapse of the Dollar , and with it the global economy. Can't pin that shit on us.

Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (5UMyr)

39 The Fraud Machine built for Reid 2010 was scalable to a National election. It was used for the sake of JEF and the Senators because that keeps the expanded budget constant for another 4 years. The machine was used on the Mia Love house race because they could not afford for a black republican woman to be elected....

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (MAhUT)

40 I told you so.

Posted by: Joe McCarthy at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (psSW6)

41 Q: How do you get a Socialist off a teeter-totter?



A: Hit him in the face with an axe.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (jZn+7)

42 I'm to old for this shit.

Posted by: Gmac - who went through this shit with Carter who was gone in 4 at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (IanLz)

43 I have avoided all TV today ... but I needed to know.

Thanks always to Ace, to Pixy, and thanks Geoff.

Thanks morons and moronettes ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (gh+mp)

44
Now the SCOAMF has to actually govern over and manage the idiotic policies he pushed through last term but that didn't take effect until this term.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (eEev7)

45 So the landslide was for obama...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (9+ccr)

46 Now I know how Chuck Heston felt at the end of Planet of the Apes.

Posted by: Bane at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (Xt3dD)

47 Lol #25 the economy has not magically turned around and yet he is re-elected! The joke is on us.

Posted by: AnnaS at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (MwpNJ)

48 Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (jZn+7)

Now that's funny... you made my miserable night

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (MAhUT)

49 >>> 18
OK, will Obama's next budget break the 98-0 rate?

I bet he can go another four years with out a budget. Continuing resolutions for life!

Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (5UMyr)

50 Damn!
Just fucking damn!
I suppose it might be *interesting* (?!) to watch the MSM spin all of the horrible shit that is going to come out of the EPA now.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (QG3g9)

51 "39
The Fraud Machine built for Reid 2010 was scalable to a National
election. It was used for the sake of JEF and the Senators because that
keeps the expanded budget constant for another 4 years. The machine was
used on the Mia Love house race because they could not afford for a
black republican woman to be elected...."

Think on THAT, black folks.

Who are the racists, now?

Posted by: kakypat at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (HUXet)

52 I'm going to bed but I have to say this is even worse that I imagined... Ryan was lucky to even have kept his seat...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (9+ccr)

53 Here's one:

Two Democrats walk into a bar. One has a massive stroke that cripples him for life and the other accidentally castrates himself with a spork.

--
hmmm. Needs more setup I think. Punchline is solid, though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (ZPrif)

54 Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (QG3g9)

EPA regulations getting mentioned by the MSM... now that DAMN FUNNY

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (MAhUT)

55 Hello? Is there anybody there? I'd really like to get out of here now, if anyone's listening.

Posted by: Nakoula Basseley Nakoula at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (zrpqj)

56 My BF Barry and me are celebrating @ Man's Country in Chi! I'm spreading cocoa butter on Michelle's hubby! We're on the down low America!













Posted by: Reggie Love Salivating at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (ypzqs)

57 BREAKING NEWS....
Clint Eastwood went all "Man with no name" on Jay z and Springsteen

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (AREf/)

58 13 Posted by: Brown Skinned Lin at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (pOBFD)

You see, Lin, you have bought into the hype. We all hate tanned people. That's the hype you've been sold.

Tell me Lin, who exactly is going to create a job for your well tanned ass? The gubmint? Mr. OFuckStick? They can't create a fart in a windstorm, with any reliability.

Enjoy your gloat. You and ilk (that is, people who think like you) shall reap what you have sown. That comes straight from an atheist, if Bible type quotes cause you any discomfort.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (ccXZP)

59 Kirsten Gillibrand has lost 40 lbs. on a strict diet of vegan, cocaine, and cock.

That in the spirit of the original post?

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (w4fEE)

60 Dems will own the collapse of the Dollar , and with it the global economy. Can't pin that shit on us.

Do nothing Congress.

You know, like FDR railed on and Obama floated at one point. And thanks to Pravda media enough Americans will believe it is either completely unavoidable or was someone else's - Bush, Congress, whatever scapegoats fault to possibly give the Dems the Congress in 2014.

Damn, now I suddenly am hoping that the Mayans were right...

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (8kIXE)

61 Let these fucks own the mess for the next two years.

When they realize that they've fucked up worse than Bush ever managed to, they'll come crawling back and beg us to save them.

And I'll look down and whisper

"No."

Posted by: TheRedBaron at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (0TRVx)

62 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (ZPrif)

They get re-elected anyway... bada-bing

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (MAhUT)

63 There's nothing to make fun of them for, other than their childlike belief in the idea that Utopia will be upon us by handing over more power and wealth to government. Like that hasn't been proven a deadly failure before.

But in terms of raw politics, Democrats vs. Republicans is like the Harlem Globetrotters vs. that team that's there just so the Globetrotters can win. The People's Cube has called it "the professional Left vs. the amateur Right", and that's the truth.

People, there is no reversing course on this one. Your fellow "citizens" have spoken, and they have said they want free stuff. This one ends up bloody.

Posted by: MissAnthropy at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (G3G28)

64 Son gave me an insight - They played a masterful campaign is this era of IDOL politics and arrested development;

O is that boyfriend you were soooooooooooo into, and he was wanted by everyone, and he picked YOU!

Well, 4 years later, he is rude, distant, and you think he is gonna leave you, so you just *have* to show him how much you love him, to get him back.

Do the D's know their base or what???


Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (uMfFZ)

65 At least we can have some laughs watching the House Dems again-minority take out their frustration by kicking Nancy Pelosi to the curb. Strategically Republicans should prefer her as Minority Leader rather than her smarter underling Steny Hoyer, but smirking at the humiliation of America's nagging Mother in Law is worth it.

Posted by: gensec at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (HcNOn)

66 Tragically...I don't even feel like fapping...but give me another 30 minutes.

Posted by: Jim AKA The Guy Who Always Posts About Fapping at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (g1t2K)

67 I am not sure what just happened.!. However, the USA as we know it is done. I don't care how you spin this. The fiscal conservative is no longer. It's all about spend baby spend. I will never donate another dollar to the republican party. As far asI amconcerned, I will use that dollar for all rising costs that are EXPECTED to come in the future. God Bless!

Posted by: confused at November 07, 2012 02:50 AM (iKxnK)

68 But we have 4 more years of obama and mooochelle... I never in my wildest dreams thought this could happen..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:50 AM (9+ccr)

69 61 Let these fucks own the mess for the next two years.

When they realize that they've fucked up worse than Bush ever managed to, they'll come crawling back and beg us to save them.

And I'll look down and whisper

"No."
Posted by: TheRedBaron at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (0TRVx)

Unless they're cute and female, which in case they are welcome aboard my vessel.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM (zrpqj)

70 make fun of Dems

Reality is going to do that fairly soon anyway...but my question is:

Before or after I get snot flinging, commode hugging, ridiculously retarded drunk for the next three days?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM (HKONC)

71 Neil Boorrtz was right.

No way possible to turn this shit around when you have +40% of households getting a gubmint check.

I wonder what they will do?

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM (QG3g9)

72 You must remember that the US has away of coming back on it's own... If that happens obama will claim credit...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (9+ccr)

73 Two Democrats walk into a bar. One says to the other one, "I fucking hate white people! Fuck those pasty-ass, racist motherfuckers! Let's take their fucking shit."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (ZPrif)

74 >>Before or after I get snot flinging, commode hugging, ridiculously retarded drunk for the next three days?

During. We're all funnier from the back seat of a cruiser. Watch "Cops" some time.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (V4mSR)

75 btw, thanks Geoff for the visit and the thread. On the brighter side, you now get to see what your now famous chart looks like after 8 years.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (ccXZP)

76
I'm just happy that the media can now feel free to fully investigate Benghazi without fear of inserting politics before an election.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (SnU+8)

77 12
Somebody explain how the outcome fits the data. This all makes no sense.
2008 made sense; this is a mystery to me. All the underlying data said
we'd win. All the numbers were on our side. WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK
HAPPENED AND WHY????


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (lJJMb)

Huh, I thought it was just me. Or that I was too close - in '08, I *knew* O would win, no doubt in my mind. This time, R/R were the ticket, but no, they weren't?

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (uMfFZ)

78 I vote my color. Because that's what an ignorant, tribalistic retard I am.

Posted by: Brown Skinned Lin at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (pOBFD)

79 Two Democrats walk into a polling place.

They vote 16 times.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (V4mSR)

80 It's late and I'm sick to my stomach... Maybe smod will be early and I won't have to worry anymore...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (9+ccr)

81 15 I'm going to adopt a kitten and name it Nancy then punch it in the face.
Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (AREf/)



*sigh*

Man, not even as a joke......c'mon.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (HKONC)

82 There ain't nothing funny about this shit. I might just point and laugh if I didn't have kids, but I do. And I know they're going to grow up in a socialistic shit hole.

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (0DlnM)

83 Hell opened wide its ghastly maw, and past its fangs, we gayly strolled once more, while bloodied angels sank to their knees, and found the tears to weep again. How far must the fool walk to find his grave? Not far. Follow the lie and there you are!

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (CCHli)

84 Mama Moochelle just said to Barry "Damn it you punk-ass bitch, you screwed up my Hawaiian retirement"

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (MAhUT)

85 The weirdest part - both parties were so insistent that between the national and state polls, "one set of numbers must be totally off" - and yet the sets were both, excepting Chris Christie's career suicide moment, completely spot on. I don't think anybody pegged Romney for 30, 35 point wins in the red states.

Is it Rubio time yet?

Posted by: ES at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (naBH5)

86 "71 ...I wonder what they will do?"
Judging from history, they will riot after the checks start bouncing, which they will. Then the order breaks down and a form of hard class or caste system is implemented - for "efficiency" of course. Wham, bam, and re-education camp you ma'am.

If, of course, history is any guide at all.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (jZn+7)

87 So where do you think they'll build the re-education camps

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (MAhUT)

88 Dems will own the collapse of the Dollar , and with it the global economy. Can't pin that shit on us.

----------
It does when it is allowed to grow with some of the shackles off. With the expiring lower rates on Capital Gains (AKA why George Lucas sold out to Disney now) and the upcoming costs associated with Obamacare we easily may be looking at something comparable to Japan's "lost decade" (entering its 2nd decade now) if not a major depression as investors take their money to other countries where the tax rates aren't as onerous.

Which of course means QE III...or is it IV...?

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (8kIXE)

89 Son gave me an insight - They played a masterful campaign is this era of IDOL politics and arrested development;Posted by: Amy Shulkusky

How are you sure?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (jo069)

90 >>>I might just point and laugh if I didn't have kids, but I do.

My kids speak German, Russian, and Spanish.

Options.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (V4mSR)

91 expanded budget


What fucking budget?!?!?!?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (HKONC)

92 It's all academic to me now.

I was willing to concede that you were fooled, the first time around.

Enjoy it now, OWN IT you stupid fools

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (QG3g9)

93 65

Actually, from a bipartisan view, I was hoping a President Romney could work with Hoyer and either Schumer or Durbin if we didn't take the Senate.

TFG is a major problem, as we all know, but I still blame so many of our country's problems on Pelosi and Reid

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (w4fEE)

94 Whitey is the new Kulak

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (MAhUT)

95 >>>So where do you think they'll build the re-education camps

Wherever they can get a Dem Senator to push through the earmark.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (V4mSR)

96
Strange...rather than just pity and urge to help, I suddenly have a craving for hot buttered popcorn and Sandy disaster coverage.
Lucky for them, I already gave a bundle.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (4ABat)

97 Two Democrats walk into a bar. The young one says "Let's run down to the end of the bar and fuck a Republican!"

The older Dem says "Let's walk down there and fuck them all."

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (ccXZP)

98 On the brighter side, you now get to see what your now famous chart looks like after 8 years.

Obama is fond of bragging about his "5 million jobs created" since January 2010 (the low point of employment). In a recent post at Innocent Bystanders I projected out that job creation rate to the end of his second term, to see where we'd be after 8 years of wondrous Obama leadership.

We weren't quite back to pre-recession levels.

And that's using his best performance numbers to date.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (SnU+8)

99
They can get away with this system for longer than you might think. Look at Europe.

I'm glad I'm old.

I'm sorry about you young people. Your future has been stolen to pay for our present.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (1Y+hH)

100 John Kerry walks into a bar. The bartender asks him, "Why the long face?"

Kerry responds, "I'm not going to be secretary of state." And then the whole bar starts laughing at him right in his face.

THE ARISTOCRATS!

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (w4fEE)

101 An Elephant walks off a cliff while the Donkey photographer says " a little further to the left. A little further... perfect!

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (CCHli)

102 I have always only read about the collapse of great civilizations. Now I have a front row seat! Thanks Obama!

Posted by: Jmel at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (c+D8V)

103 Oh damn, wrong quote. It's too late and too depressing for this crap.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (8kIXE)

104 A white Democrat and a black Democrat walk into a bar. The black Democrat says, "I'm so happy those racist white Republicans lost. I hate those motherfuckers." The white Democrat says, "You have diabetes and are morbidly obese. In 5 years you will go blind and have your feet amputated."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (ZPrif)

105 Romney Sucks!!!!

Posted by: Ms. Obamapho at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (jKE+Z)

106 The first GOP Congressman to reach across the aisle will have destroyed the GOP.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (jo069)

107 Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (8kIXE)

hammer meet nail...

a reduction in corporate taxes (down to the world's levels) would have spurred a great recovery by drastically changing "cost-of-capital" TFG and friends are now going to starve the investment engine, just like the Japanese did

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (MAhUT)

108 82 There ain't nothing funny about this shit. I might just point and laugh if I didn't have kids, but I do. And I know they're going to grow up in a socialistic shit hole.
Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (0DlnM)

The sheer brutal reality of the math will set in well before the socialism preference cements into American politics. I'm thinking the furure will look more like history's greatest bannanna republic.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (zrpqj)

109 I know there are a lot of good car-over-the-cliff scenes, but one of my favorites is in a Guns-n-Roses video, I think November Rain. Damn cargoes flying off a huge cliff and bursts into flames while still in midair, people in it looking appropriately shocked. But I don't think we will actually manage to look appropriately shocked when the US dollar is no longer the reserve currency of the world, and our economy really does go off the cliff. We knewthe cliffwas coming, and we hit the fucking gas today. I only wish I knew why.

Posted by: tidemonster at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (2QYw7)

110 Our problems are with the culture, and politics is downstream from that. Liberals figured this out a long time ago and took over the institutions which create public opinion and move the culture in their direction.

They are now reaping the political rewards of that. They have bought off the people with cash benefits, absolution for immoral behavior, and blaming others (like the rich) for personal failings. Conservatism is a better philosophy for a civil society but we are no longer a civil, moral people.

We tell people they must work hard and take responsibility for themselves, and great reward will follow. That is true but the liberals are offering them a shorter (false) path. Just vote for more goodies and avoid accountability for one's own life. It will all fail in the end but it works for quite some time.

Trying to find the perfect set of candidates won't matter going forward. The media will portray anyone we put forth as a greedy, uncaring bastard who is out of touch with the needs of the people. They already have the template ready, they just plug in the new names.

Huge areas of the country are lost to us, like California. No matter how ridiculous it gets, people keep electing Democrats. There is no accountability for failure because failure is always conveniently blamed on someone else. Capitalism, rich people, what have you. Obama has escaped responsibility for his failures as well.

Facts, figures, history, empirical evidence don't matter to these people. They don't even want to know any of that. They are culturally predisposed to prefer bigger and more intrusive government because they believe it will make their lives easier. More time for them to sit around. The cost in dollars and loss in freedom is of no concern.

The coming fiscal collapse may wake people up, who knows. Until then I think we are fucked.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (x0g8a)

111 Sorry Mr. Franklin, but we only managed to keep the Republic for two centuries. Thanks for trying.

Posted by: Tregonsee at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (QnBmw)

112 Can't sleep. I tried but I can't. Over and over again I can't imagine that so m-any people in this gift-from-God nation despise it so.

It's either that, or there was massive voter fraud.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (YDXSQ)

113 Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (jo069)

Too late.... I think the GOP destroyed the GOP....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (lZBBB)

114 >>>The first GOP Congressman to reach across the aisle will have destroyed the GOP.

Fortunately for him, he died in 1972.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (V4mSR)

115 You must remember that the US has away of coming back on it's own... If that happens obama will claim credit...

_______

It does when it is allowed to grow with some of the shackles off. With the expiring lower rates on Capital Gains (AKA why George Lucas sold out to Disney now) and the upcoming costs associated with Obamacare we easily may be looking at something comparable to Japan's "lost decade" (entering its 2nd decade now) if not a major depression as investors take their money to other countries where the tax rates aren't as onerous.

Which of course means QE III...or is it IV...?

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (8kIXE)

116 The sheer brutal reality of the math will set in well before the socialism preference cements into American politics.

Didn't happen.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (hO8IJ)

117 There ain't no coming back. None. It is over. The Republic is to far gone. And there wasn't a way to save it short of hanging the New Left as it emerged in the late 60s.

We are Rome. Bread, Games and Orgies is all it took to get the people of Rome complacent enough to accept the creation of Dictatorship.

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (MHk3m)

118 "90 >>>I might just point and laugh if I didn't have kids, but I do.

My kids speak German, Russian, and Spanish.

Options.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (V4mSR)"

It's all Greek to me. And you. All of really. Now.

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (CCHli)

119 72
You must remember that the US has away of coming back on it's own... If that happens obama will claim credit...


We have been so weakened that our real enemies will attack, and they will have help from within.
401's?...least of our problems.
The treachery is deeper than you think.

Posted by: Reality at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (psSW6)

120 Democrats are so cute when they talk like they actually have fun policy plans and stuff.


Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (qe2/V)

121
Too many wee-bees.

Wee-bee good, wee-bee fine, wee-bee down in the welfare line.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (1Y+hH)

122 Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (MAhUT)

123 Hickory dickory dock - this chick was sucking my cock.
She was really jizz thirsty
But since I'm from New Jersey
I gave her one-fifth of my stock

Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (w4fEE)

124 Ladies and Gentlemen, Morons and 'Ettes...

Start your proxy servers!

Posted by: MurpyzLaw at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (pUqNS)

125 Night all, Hope I wake up from this nightmare...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (9+ccr)

126 61 Let these fucks own the mess for the next two years.



When they realize that they've fucked up worse than Bush ever managed to, they'll come crawling back and beg us to save them.



And I'll look down and whisper



"No."

Posted by: TheRedBaron at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (0TRVx)

With
all due respect, TheRedBaron, that violently underestimates how strong the
stupid is with these people. it's fucking bulletproof. Hell, it's goddamn H-bomb proof. They managed to blame Republicans when the GOP was
basically out of power the first 2 years of Obama's term. Not to mention
that everything that went wrong was Bush's fault to begin with anyways.

They'll find a way to
shove the broken bottle ever deeper up their asses (which,
unfortunately, includes all our asses too) while screaming "this is all
*your* fault!!"

(Love the Rorschach reference, btw!).

Posted by: ninjaphish at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (VTXt1)

127 Yeah, Inspector

I suppose you are correct.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (QG3g9)

128
In the spirit of the historic victory Obama supporters have pushed through in their never ending quest for free shit,
I have to grudgingly admire their "FORWARD" (blegh) progress, and wonder, is this too long in coming? Where would we be today if their mothers had access to the free taxpayer funded abortions that coming down the pike?

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (4ABat)

129 The left won't own SHIT unless somehow, magically, the ignorant dumbasses who get their news from the MFM and ignore everything else somehow get their eyes opened.

The ONLY way that will happen is to force the MFM to infight. You know, compete and actually watchdog each other instead of colluding like complete traitorous cowards.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (bxiXv)

130 111 Sorry Mr. Franklin, but we only managed to keep the Republic for two centuries. Thanks for trying.
Posted by: Tregonsee at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (QnBmw)

I think the quote says teh average Democracy lasts 200 years.... we've gone 236? so hey.... we beat the Average....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (lZBBB)

131 89 Son gave me an insight - They played a masterful campaign is this era of IDOL politics and arrested development;Posted by: Amy Shulkusky


I've heard that. If so, we are even closer to Idiocracy than I thought. Fuck, we're essentially already there.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (HKONC)

132 Barack Obama, two-term president... now that's a joke

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (MAhUT)

133 Too late.... I think the GOP destroyed the GOP....
Posted by: Romeo13


Amigo, some worked to make sure that wasn't the case. Still hoping that isn't the case.

If so, the Gates of Hell just broke.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (jo069)

134 So I suppose there should be healing, yes?

This Math-Challenged Polysporin™ appears remarkably ineffective.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (2l+qZ)

135 >>>It's all Greek to me. And you. All of really. Now.

Word.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (V4mSR)

136 Israel strikes Iran when?

Posted by: Jmel at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (c+D8V)

137 117
Orgies? Thanks for finding the bright side.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (QBSp1)

138 We are Rome. Bread, Games and Orgies is all it took to get the people of Rome complacent enough to accept the creation of Dictatorship.
Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (MHk3m)Damn.... We went for free condoms and cell phones....Talk about a cheap date...

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (4ABat)

139 116 The sheer brutal reality of the math will set in well before the socialism preference cements into American politics.

Didn't happen.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (hO8IJ)

Huh? Maybe we are misunderstanding each other. I mean to say the massive debt will make much of the progressive plans for new, costly, social policy impossible.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (zrpqj)

140 America is now the girl at the beach with no arms and no legs

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (MAhUT)

141 Well. I am ... sad ... but I do know that America survived 3 + terms of FDR before snapping out of it ... so I have hope.

Plus, it's not like TFG has ordered us out into the fields to chase away the birds eating grain, thereby letting the insects run wild, thereby starving 20 million Chinese to death ... so ... it could be worse!

Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (gh+mp)

142 Damn just damn!

I will be so stony hearted when these fools start rioting over their bounced checks.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (QG3g9)

143 wow.just wow. needing some serious hand holding here. third party? leave the country? I.just. don't.know.

Posted by: badgerstate rn at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (O64as)

144 Jill and Bob went up the hill each with a buck and a quarter.

Jill came down with $1.30, cause I'm a cheap fuck, OH!

Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (w4fEE)

145 So where do you think they'll build the re-education camps

They are already built. They have been functioning, very well, for the last 30 years.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (HKONC)

146 We knew the cliff was coming, and we hit the fucking gas today. I only wish I knew why.

Who wrote "The Death of the Grownup?"

Most people want to stay teenagers until retirement (second childhood). Hard to sell "work" and "it doesn't matter if you want it, there's no money for it" to teens who spent the first 12 years of life having everything handed to them immediately.

Best I can figure after being awake for 22 hours, anyway.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (hO8IJ)

147 Maybe tomorrow, I can't do this today.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (SP4jC)

148 >>>America is now the girl at the beach with no arms and no legs

You leave Sandy alone!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (V4mSR)

149 Well said, Ken Royall.

Republicans are all, "Hey if you want to be fit, in shape and look good, you gotta work out. You know, break a sweat and make yourself a little uncomfortable.

And the Democrats are, "Hey, fuck those guys. Here's a pill. Just take this pill and you'll have a six pack."

Of course the goddamned pill doesn't work. Diet and exercise works. But people go for the pill.

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (0DlnM)

150 Things that we will almost certainly face in the next two years:

1) An Iranian nuclear test

2) A world-wide financial crisis caused by the collapse of the Euro

3) A US financial crisis caused by the inability of a major US state to pay its debts, leading to demands for a Federal bailout of blue states generally

4) A large Middle Eastern war

5) A successful Iranian/Hezbollah attack on the US with hundreds to thousands of casualties

And, if you are part of the half of the country who voted for Obama, you deserve every bit of it.

And Chris Christie gets his own circle of Hell - he's fat enough he needed his own circle.

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (Hu/Da)

151 Ken Royall - The coming fiscal collapse may wake people up, who knows. Until then I think we are fucked. __________ I believe there are certain things the fundamental structure of the USA as a unit cannot withstand. People might wake up, but with a different form of government, and Obama might seem like a happy memory.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (opS9C)

152 but I do know that America survived 3 + terms of FDR before snapping out of it ...

They never actually did "snap out of it." Check your pay stubs, Social Security is still there.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (hO8IJ)

153
A Democrat and a Republican were having an argument over the fate of the country. "If my candidate loses," the Democrat whined, "injustice will prevail."

"Well, if my candidate loses," the Republican replied, "the whole system implodes."

"Well at least you won't be rich!" exclaimed the Dem.


Sorry - I'm not very good at jokes. But I'm hell on synopses.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (SnU+8)

154 Posted by: ninjaphish at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (VTXt1)

Nope.... its a very simple equation.... Democrats appeal at a lower level of Lazlo's Hierarchy of Needs, than Repubs do...

Case in point.... business partner who supports Obama, because Romney says he will get rid of Obamacare.... and Partners wife has an illness which puts her over the Insurance companys 1 million lifetime cap.... but she does NOT want to go on Medicare.... thus... he is a ONE issue voter....

His vote is bought, by giving HIM my Tax Dollars.....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (lZBBB)

155 Strange...rather than just pity and urge to help, I suddenly have a craving for hot buttered popcorn and Sandy disaster coverage.Lucky for them, I already gave a bundle.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (4ABat)


------------------------------------------------------


From this day foward, if any state that went for the SCOAMT in this election suffers any kind of a disaster, they'll get nothing but scorn from me. Sorry for all you 'rons and 'ettes in the Sandy area. But fuck the northeast.

As far as I'm concerned, those states that went for Baraka tonight I will not consider part of America.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (YDXSQ)

156 Little Boy Blue - he needed the money, but since it was the Dominican Republic, I wasn't paying him US wages. OH!

Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (w4fEE)

157 "Well at least you won't be rich!" exclaimed the Dem.

Who has a net worth (inherited...) twice that of the Republican.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (hO8IJ)

158 The LOVE of government is the mark of the beast. We just saw 51 million Americans receive the mark of the beast...willingly, with joy. Read the book of Revelation to see that receiving this mark is NOT forgiven, it brings the wrath of God. Think Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia to see what happens to a people that do this. This was a signal event far greater than 911, maybe the Mayans had it about right.

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (cSD32)

159 38 Dems will own the collapse of the Dollar , and with it the global economy. Can't pin that shit on us.




?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: BuuuuSH! at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (HNn1q)

160 I think the quote says teh average Democracy lasts 200 years.... we've gone 236? so hey.... we beat the Average....Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (lZBBB)The country didn't move away from only landowners (at that time, that meant Taxpayers) voting until 1820 or so.So we are actually under the average- although the democracy isn't Officially dead, just laying on the floor waiting judge to slap the mat a couple more times....

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (4ABat)

161 >>>They never actually did "snap out of it." Check your pay stubs, Social Security is still there.

And this is why I keep a picture of Heather Radish on my dashboard.

My wife thinks it's weird.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (V4mSR)

162
That's it man, game over man, game over!
What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
http://tinyurl.com/yzunke7

Posted by: Hudson at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (ceOGc)

163 This hurts... it hurts too much. I;m old.. sick. tired.. and fought for this one all I could. I;m done... Good luck America,, nice knowing ya.

Posted by: Old_dweeb at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (GCzqx)

164 One of my kids sent me an email saying:

"at least I won't wake up to a festering race war..."

Things that make you go "hmmm"




.

Posted by: wally at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (GyrMI)

165 145 So where do you think they'll build the re-education camps

They are already built. They have been functioning, very well, for the last 30 years.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (HKONC)


We, it turns out, were the "civilized socialists" that everyone dreamed of but ended up with death camps.

Still fails, just takes longer when the frog doesn't realize the water is heating up.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (bxiXv)

166 150

No doubt, I'm fully on the Cory Booker train in 2013. The fat fuck is dead to me.

I'm also thinking Cuomo 2016 because, well, if this electorate won't ever elect a fiscal conservative again, why be left out of the patronage?

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (w4fEE)

167 "Israel strikes Iran when?"

Never, now - they missed their chance. Obama will order a naval blockade of Israel if Israel attacks, now that the pesky election is over.

Now that Obama is free from the requirement that he be elected again, his hatred of Israel can finally fully flower.

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (Hu/Da)

168 46
Now I know how Chuck Heston felt at the end of Planet of the Apes.


I told my wife this, and she replied, "Now I know how he felt at the end of Khartoum.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (IlZPo)

169 Well, thats game,set and match folks. There were two choices in flying this piece of crap.We are almost out of gas. We could have tried for the soft landing (Romney). Instead we figured we would instead go full throttle straight into the mountain.

All there is left now is for the cannibalism to commence.

Posted by: We Are all Socialists NOw at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (PrzXs)

170 Two Democrats walk into a bar. The owner, a fourth generation operator of the bar, sez sorry boys but I'm now out of business.

"Quick, confiscate his inventory. Drinks are on us!"

And so it goes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (ccXZP)

171 Any Johnson voters out there?

Yeah. This? This all yours.

Enjoy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (jo069)

172 "No doubt, I'm fully on the Cory Booker train in 2013. The fat fuck is dead to me."

I'll send Booker $500 - he's a decent guy, and people like Christie need to be reminded that there is a political price for stabbing your supporters in the back.

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 07, 2012 03:10 AM (Hu/Da)

173 They never actually did "snap out of it." Check your pay stubs, Social Security is still there.

Yeah verily ... but he didn't get to pack the SC and people get to buy and hold gold ... etc...

Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 03:10 AM (gh+mp)

174 Two Democrats walk into a bar.

Bartender says "Come back after a shower."

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 03:10 AM (V4mSR)

175 160
Gerry, as a long time lurker... Thank you.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 03:10 AM (QBSp1)

176 but I do know that America survived 3 + terms of FDR before snapping out of it ...They never actually did "snap out of it." Check your pay stubs, Social Security is still there.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (hO8IJ)


-------------------------------------------------


The FDR socialism never ended. It was just phase 2 of the creeping socialism introduced by Wilson. We are almost in the last phase of the "Atlas Shrugged" syndrome.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (YDXSQ)

177 Fuck it. I almost wish for Sharia law to take over. If the United States became a caliphate you know those fundamentalist fucks wouldn't tolerate any Goddamned liberals. We're conservative so we'd just have to grow our beard out a little and fly under the radar.

I just can't process this loss. The electorate went from D+7 in 2008 to D+6 in 2012? With 7.9% unemployment? How the fuck does that happen? How bad would unemployment have to be for it affect this bastard? 10%? 15%? I've read alot of you guys posting about how we should've done this or that differently or ran a more/less conservative candidate. Well I got news for you, if this bastard won with economic numbers like these, it wouldn't have mattered if Jesus of Nazareth had come down from on high and ran against him, we would've still lost.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (tDieS)

178 Old Mother Goose - I fucked her!

She was a Dominican hooker, right?

Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (w4fEE)

179 Not hard to figure out. Its America verses scumbag communists and insurgents from 3rd world shitholes. No more, no less.

Posted by: Berserker at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (FMbng)

180 Oh, are you fucking SHITTING ME, Fox News?!

Yeah, the Reason why Romney lost is because he wasn't SPECIFIC enough on his budget cuts.

Because, Lord knows, the electorate are proved a bunch of green eyeshade wearing fucks, who demand SPECIFICS!

We are all Julia now.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (QG3g9)

181 Fuckin-Shit...Eleventy(11!!11) more years of this shit-
May all that voted forany fucktard(d) burn inthebowels of gay-fuctard AlGore global warming hell...Stay Thirsty, you vulgar, ignorant, shallow, douche-eating,brain-dead,Racist, vile, contemptuous, lying, dumb-assed, American-hating,sacks-of-shit!

Posted by: 'lean forward' on this! at November 07, 2012 03:12 AM (EceF8)

182 Obama will order a naval blockade of Israel if Israel attacks, now that the pesky election is over.

At least there'll be a lot of work for mapmakers.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (SnU+8)

183 I love the taste of unwashed, uncut cock.

Posted by: upyerstbaggers at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (4Uj6e)

184 How many votes were paid for by adding nearly 8 million people to the disability rolls since Obama took office... My guess that was a good part of Van Jones 1 million people added to the GOTV effort... and they knew where to pick them up to go vote...

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 03:14 AM (MAhUT)

185 I'm tired of pretending. I'm tired of looking at this god awful country through the lens of what I wish it was, instead of what it actually is--a decaying piece of mud full of stupid fucking children.

There is no hope for this god awful nation.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 03:14 AM (Cl95C)

186 Loop, and any Wilson voters left, this shit started with them.

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:15 AM (hjRtO)

187 Hey look only a few more years until we are burning hundred dollar bills for warmth

Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 07, 2012 03:15 AM (PrzXs)

188 183

Keep your government job, you will need it.

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 03:15 AM (cSD32)

189 182, he doesn't have enough ships for that

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (hjRtO)

190 >>>upyerstbaggers

Such a cute name. Can't believe your Mom named you after grandpa like that.

And yes, if you were in my presence right now I WOULD kick your ass.

Now go toss off on the bricks in grandma's basement you simpering pussy.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (V4mSR)

191 Can't beat 'em? Join 'em:

How do I get me some free gas and mortgage and food stamps...?

.

Posted by: wally at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (GyrMI)

192 maybe the Mayans had it about right.
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (cSD32)


------------------------------------------


Yeah, and I had my suspicions that it was going to feel about like what I feel now.

The only way out of this (really) is secession. But do any of our governers or the populace have the nads for it? Probably not.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (YDXSQ)

193 My honest opinion is:

First of all, what happened is FRAUD.

It's not the only factor I'm concerned/ upset about. But I think the margin of FRAUD was enough to make THE difference in this election.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (tUcg9)

194 "At least there'll be a lot of work for mapmakers."

Yeah, they can indicate the portions of the Middle East that have been turned into glass.

A likely reaction to an Iranian nuclear test is a nice military parade in Jerusalem with mobile Jericho III ICBMs, with the helpful suggestion that political leaders around the globe read the story of Samson.

Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 07, 2012 03:17 AM (Hu/Da)

195 Well this was my last election. Not much point in voting after this on any level. It will be so bad there is no coming back. So time to enjoy the ride

Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 07, 2012 03:17 AM (PrzXs)

196 187, they will be worth less then good cordwood

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:19 AM (hjRtO)

197 Two Democrats walk into a bar........

And it tips over.

Posted by: Hank Johnson at November 07, 2012 03:19 AM (ccXZP)

198 #185

Right there with ya Joffen. Let a new generation of "conservatives" take over. the ones that think gays are cool, debts can be ignored, deficits can be supported by printing presses. I'm toast. And so is our nation.

Posted by: Old_dweeb at November 07, 2012 03:19 AM (GCzqx)

199 183 Fuck you too buddy. They'll eat you when the time comes. When the burden is too much to bear I hope you remember that you asked for the yoke.

Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 07, 2012 03:19 AM (BgIBZ)

200 And this is why I keep a picture of Heather Radish on my dashboard.

My wife thinks it's weird.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz





It's probably just the 'bobble head' effects she finds, disconcerting....

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (HNn1q)

201 Fraud, look at Miami, Norfolk City Virginia, and Cleveland.

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (hjRtO)

202 Two Democrats walk into a bar, named The Mayo Clinic

And get re-elected.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson III at November 07, 2012 03:21 AM (ccXZP)

203 What I've learned:

Twitter pics of rallies don't mean shit

Preference cascade is a made up phrase designed to dong punch conservatives

Conservative websites are inoculated against the demographics of this country

Pissing and moaning for four years has got us another four years.

Making fun of dems? Yea, that's fun b/c that's all we've got

Conservative analysts, projectors of elections SUCK.

Posted by: gw mclintock at November 07, 2012 03:21 AM (oh9Ma)

204 146
We knew the cliff was coming, and we hit the fucking gas today. I only wish I knew why.

Who wrote "The Death of the Grownup?"

Most
people want to stay teenagers until retirement (second childhood). Hard
to sell "work" and "it doesn't matter if you want it, there's no money
for it" to teens who spent the first 12 years of life having everything
handed to them immediately.

Best I can figure after being awake for 22 hours, anyway.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (hO8IJ)
Diana West: The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization.She's one of my faves. She gets it.

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 03:22 AM (uMfFZ)

205 this tweet from Michael Brendan Dougherty who writes for "The American Conservative" pretty much sums up my thoughts on the inevitable post-mortem talking points:

"remember in 2004 all the advice was "Pelosi should talk about God." Don't fall for the funhouse version of that."

I'm sure it was a factor. But in the coming days people're gonna be acting like we nominated Rick Santorum/Michele Bachmann, and i gotta call BS.

i'm not arguing about what the correct positions on same-sex marriage/abortion are BTW, just that scapegoating SoCons entirely will have me rolling my eyes

anyway. my thoughts.

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 03:22 AM (8HhF2)

206 Can't wait to hear everyone bag on Stinky et al. Ace, you don't care because I'm a lurker, but the traditional GOP is dead. Finished. Even in WI, it's over on a national level. If we can't break 52% in Brown County, it's done. I consider myself unaffiliated now.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 03:22 AM (QBSp1)

207 I just can't process this loss. The electorate went from D+7 in 2008 to D+6 in 2012?


He will give them death.

...and they will love him for it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:22 AM (HKONC)

208 Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (tDieS)


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I'm still not ruling out massive voter fraud. EV, no ID's, motor voter, etc., is an atmosphere ripe for just that. What's really sad is that I'll never really trust that my vote counts ever again.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:23 AM (YDXSQ)

209 Welcome to the United States of Detroit. Enjoy your stay.

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 03:23 AM (0DlnM)

210 Ohio and Florida, what's your names, Neil and Bob, or is that what you do for Obama?

OH!

Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 07, 2012 03:24 AM (w4fEE)

211 I've already transitioned into this. I remember what a hell Bush's second term was in terms of mockery etc. Don't tell me you guys don't want to shout "FORWARD!" whenever anything bad happens in one of your liberal friends' lives for the next four years.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:24 AM (fXInK)

212 Obama won.
Dems gained seats in Senate
Mia Love lost.
Elizabeth Warren won.
McCaskill won.
Republican men said stupid stuff about abortion and rape and BLEW IT.
Prop. 30 in CA is winning (taxes galore!)

This is one mighty suck ass evening.

Only light? Darrell Issa is my new Congressman due to redistricting.


Posted by: Athena at November 07, 2012 03:24 AM (QS2qe)

213 Soona at November 07, 2012 03:23 AM (YDXSQ)

Please have some hope ... More R governors elected than in many years past ...

More receptive to Voter IDs Laws.

Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 03:24 AM (gh+mp)

214 89
Son gave me an insight - They played a masterful campaign is this era
of IDOL politics and arrested development;Posted by: Amy Shulkusky

How are you sure?


Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (jo069)

I'm not sure, in fact, I think it was lots of little lies instead of one big lie {Fla. polls are closed} that did us in. My gut *knew* O in '08, and it *knew*R/R in '12.

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (uMfFZ)

215 "Unless the economy does magically turn around, there is a chance the Obama favorables will start dropping and fast."

It's not going to magically turn around.

The picture for 2013 is just about unreservedly bleak.

And yep, Obama owns it!

Many of you are likely to come into contact next year with people who are going to find their full-time jobs being cut back to part time because of Obamacare. Or find their part-time hours being made fewer because of Obamacare. There are going to be a few _million_ such unfortunate souls. Up and down the length of the country.

Do take a minute to remind them that you voted against that shit. And just whose shit it is.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (ymG7s)

216 My guts are all tore up, like I drank 8 cups of coffee. Can't process this night, cannot sleep. We turned into a Quentin Tarantino, demon-possessed nation of T.V. watching full-sleeve tattooed pimps and whores. If you scratch the surface of half of all Americans, you will just find more surface. Go ahead, bury your faces into the butt of Kim Kardashian, suck the dick of the next rapper, you'all so cool!

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (cSD32)

217 Starting tomorrow I'm gonna live like there's no tomorrow, and no I'm not turning into a liberal, I'm just gonna let it slide because it really is just sliding away. ha

Posted by: Speller at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (J74Py)

218 Impeachment !!!!!!! BENGHAZI TREASON !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: grumpy momma bear at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (1h0qv)

219 The frog has made it to temperature.

Posted by: garfish at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (RDnLr)

220 I'm not even as upset with TFG being the President for 8 years as I am with AMERICA'S MOST FAMOUS RETARD being Vice President for 8 years.

As much of a SCOAMF as he is, pray for him, because Biden is a fucking disaster in every way

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (w4fEE)

221 Back from trying to drown my sorrows.

I already saw that the American people saw fit to put Alan Greyson in Congress, but not Alan West, but now Mia Love lost? Ugh. I hate everyone.

Posted by: NotSoLoneWolfinNC at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (LN5eJ)

222 I think the "own it" take is the best.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (fXInK)

223 The Republicans have a bad image. Mitt Romney ran the best campaign he could. Social issues have cost the GOP potential voters.

Posted by: Mega at November 07, 2012 03:27 AM (idyso)

224 And I say that hoping the House will impeach this fucking stooge over Benghazi but knowing full well that the Senate will exonerate him

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:27 AM (w4fEE)

225 Going down to the long-term food storage store tomorrow......the gun shop will be too crowded.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 07, 2012 03:27 AM (sX1gH)

226 Please let me hear that the house will pursue impeachment of that Evil scoamf that I shall not name !!!!!!!

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 07, 2012 03:27 AM (1h0qv)

227 I love you guys.

Posted by: m at November 07, 2012 03:28 AM (RaNrW)

228 The only upside is: the coming collapse of the dollar and everything else can be blamed solely on Obama and corruptocrats. It wont matter much when we're living in a third world country, but it'll make you feel better when sending lead downrange

Posted by: The Teller of Hard Facts at November 07, 2012 03:28 AM (5CDB2)

229 Starting tommorow I loot my bank accounts before the Dems get around to getting their grubby hands on them.

I guess a safety deposit box is my new friend

Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 07, 2012 03:28 AM (PrzXs)

230 It's not going to magically turn around.

The picture for 2013 is just about unreservedly bleak.

And yep, Obama owns it!


I hear -1.5% GDP growth is the shizzle.

Rachel Maddow, astride her unbuildable-by-the-current-EPA Hoover Dam, assures me so.

Melissa Joan Hart, why have you forsaken me!?


Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:28 AM (2l+qZ)

231 Two Democrats walk into a bar and order a drink.

The barkeep says "That will be $100 per drink, paid in advance."

The Dems chime in unison "Don't you trust us?"

"Keep telling jokes like that and I might give you a free one."

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 03:29 AM (ccXZP)

232 222 I think the "own it" take is the best.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (fXInK)


You have to break the MFM first.

Not gonna even come close to happening otherwise.

And then we have to waste our lives shouting at ignorant twits on social media they use to shore up their fantasy bubble worlds.

There Is Not Enough Money To Pay For It All.

The lesson they hide from, at our expense.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 03:29 AM (bxiXv)

233 Outta booze and the buzz is wearing off. So cross-eyed I can hardly see to type this.


Went through a period tonight of wanting to punch holes in every fucking wall in my house until my hands were bloody and broken, but decided that would be painful and expensive to no advantage.


Right now I want to lash out at the idiots in this state. I'm in a solid red county and it seems that I'm surrounded by morons that are Hell-bent on electing D's to almost every office in this state.


I knew this state tended to lean blue when I moved here, but to watch it elect R+R by a good margin and then put fucking Democrats in nearly every statewide office (and re-elect that Goddamn fucking asswipe Tester AGAIN) is just too much to swallow.


Oh, well. They're still counting..... Maybe, perhaps, hopefully..... ah, fuckit.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 03:29 AM (pR0/y)

234 218 Impeachment !!!!!!! BENGHAZI TREASON !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: grumpy momma bear at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (1h0qv)


Yeah.

Good luck.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (bxiXv)

235 You know, I had a $1,000 on Romney to anyone who would take it. That's how confident I was. Thankfully, no one had the guts to take my bet.

In hindsight ... I guess I shoulda known how this would turn out by all the vapid bullshit that gets posted on Facebook by people I'm loosely acquainted with.

We're a nation of ignorant, spoiled, shallow, self absorbed idiots.

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (0DlnM)

236
We must get voter ID laws. This must be our mission over the next 4 years.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (O7ksG)

237 I need to learn how to live in the system instead of fighting it. For as long as it lasts, anyway.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (dX4hn)

238 I'm still not ruling out massive voter fraud. EV, no
ID's, motor voter, etc., is an atmosphere ripe for just that. What's
really sad is that I'll never really trust that my vote counts ever
again.

Posted by: Soona


Oddly enough, no Atty General cares.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (jo069)

239 Any son of a bitch call me "racist" later today cuz I voted Romney? I'll kill ya!

Posted by: Old_dweeb at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (GCzqx)

240 223

you think this is the only reason. Obama won the Midwest entirely due to the culture war.

mmhmm.

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (8HhF2)

241 211 I've already transitioned into this. I remember what a hell Bush's second term was in terms of mockery etc. Don't tell me you guys don't want to shout "FORWARD!" whenever anything bad happens in one of your liberal friends' lives for the next four years.

Yup foward off the cliff !!!!!

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (1h0qv)

242 Thank you, Warden, for what you've done done for the cause.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (QBSp1)

243 We have voter ID laws in Florida, strict ones. It didn't help.

At least we weren't alone. VA, OH, and CO get to share the blame.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (dX4hn)

244 HMMM

It seems like my back has suddenly started hurting.

I think it will be nearly impossible for me to work...soon


Lets go for 48%

Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (PrzXs)

245 What just happened is that America proved we're ready, willing and able to go Europe. Greece and Spain aren't flaws, they're features.

Salve? What salve? This is an unmitigated disaster. Worst of all, it's not Romney's fault. Unlike '96 we can't blame the candidate and unlike '08 we can't blame the candidate and unfavorable conditions. We had a very good candidate. The best in years. With a great message. It wasn't the candidate, for once.

Bottom line, the country has changed. Crossed the Rubicon. The Takers have exceeded the Creators. They want our stuff. Period. And they mean to take it. Just like Europe. The signs were and are all around us, just look and see.

Why would coal country go blue in this economic environment? Because Detroit went and they got theirs. Now it's a free-for-all and everyone wants theirs. The coal unions will be, or at least hope to be, rewarded just like the UAW. They chose and Obama has them in the palm of his hand now. They're his votes now and he'll give them just enough to preserve them. How does honest, free-market capitalism counter that?

It's not like this was unforeseen. Conservatives have been abandoning the field of the purple states and have now ceded them without a fight, perhaps permanently. You can't move to red states en masse and cede the swing states yet still expect to win national elections.

We saw this coming -- read all the blogs over the past four years -- and still we let it happen. By saying F-it, move away. And no one spoke against it. It was actually encouraged. Voting with your feet and all that. To send a message. Well, the only vote that counts came tonight and guess what, winning Idaho by 70% instead of 60% while losing Ohio 50.5% to 49.5% is not sending a message, it's a total disaster. And the fundamentals of Ohio indicate it's heading further in that direction. If we can't take Ohio this year of all years we ain't ever gonna take it. We're toast. If not, please tell me how.

There is no salve. We lost the Big One. Everything changes now. The Takers rule supreme. They call the shots. You think not? Then you ain't seeing the landscape. You don't understand what just happened.

They say Obama has no mandate. But he does. Winning decisively like this is a mandate. Saying it ain't is just wishful thinking. Obama has a mandate. Just you watch and see. The polls against Obamacare mean absolutely zilch now. The only poll that counts just ratified it by a landslide. Tell me how it doesn't.

Our choices as conservatives are few, perhaps nonexistent. Fight on Benghazi and hope to obstruct for four years. Be what we insist we're not. The party of "no". What other choice do we have? We've got nothing else. Be real, and plan accordingly.


Posted by: csmats at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (pOSGo)

246
Hang on. The economy is going to fall over a cliff.

+ energy prices are going to hurt millions. Luckily - all of Obama wealthy supporters in hollywood don't care at all.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (O7ksG)

247 Akin is going to take the blame for this loss, the powers that be in the media will find it irresistible and easy to package fr the mouth breathers.

The true demographic challange is going to be a harder pill to swallow. Henceforth, both parties are going to have to play the identity politics game. The Dims won't be able to match BarryOs numbers without a token, and the 'pubs will have to match. So, hitch your wagons to some fiscally conservative non-white male candidates.

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (tmzN0)

248 I'm not sure, in fact, I think it was lots of little
lies instead of one big lie {Fla. polls are closed} that did us in. My
gut *knew* O in '08, and it *knew*R/R in '12.Posted by: Amy Shulkusky


I called 08 in Feb 08. What goodie did I win?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (jo069)

249 Please have some hope ... More R governors elected than in many years past ... More receptive to Voter IDs Laws.
Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 03:24 AM (gh+mp)


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You're not thinking this through. Holder is going to be the head of the DoJ for another four years. Look at the damage he did to the governors' efforts this time. He'll be coming after them even harder now.

Plus, we're going to be getting, at least, two new SCOTUS judges, so there won't be any help from them. They'll just double down on what Holder and the dictator say.

I've been really thinking about this since I accepted our loss, and I don't see any way out except by separating ourselves from DC.

Also, everyone talks about 2016. I have a feeling that's going to be way too late with this regime in power.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:34 AM (YDXSQ)

250 Something doesn't smell right here.

Posted by: The Nose at November 07, 2012 03:34 AM (psSW6)

251 For those of you in a personal dark space, here is where I went tonight: Kylie Needs a New Heart: http://tinyurl.com/bf85gxm

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:34 AM (tmzN0)

252 In all seriousness and unfortunate sobriety, it's clear that we need to gut the GOP and get a new suite of campaign professionals in place in time for the next election. The Dems did a masterful job of finessing a huge number electoral votes despite a very close popular vote. And that despite the handicaps of DWS and Simple Joe.

I've also got to admire the press for really upping their game this time around. I don't think we were prepared for their new level of solidarity and commitment to reelecting this President. Next time we'll know.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 03:34 AM (SnU+8)

253 Oh, scary words, too. "The own it"

Who gives an F?

They've owned it for the last 30 years and they're doing just fine.

I'm so disillusioned with politics and this process.

I'm beyond pissed and I've swore more in my head the last few hours than I've ever done out loud.

But, it gets me nothing. All this 'rage' from our side got jack shit nothing.

But at least we've got these giant rallies to nowhere.

Posted by: gw mclintock at November 07, 2012 03:34 AM (oh9Ma)

254 next time don't nominate a stiff

Posted by: pcs at November 07, 2012 03:34 AM (EXcYl)

255 Oddly enough, no Atty General cares.



Here in NC, we didn't eve have a Republican Atty General candidate on the fkn ballot. WTF???

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 03:35 AM (/Rruc)

256 I just can't get my head around the idea that THIS is who we really are as a nation.

Fuck.

Obamacare is OVERWHELMINGLY unpopular. And yet a majority voted to go ahead and keep it.

WTF?

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 03:35 AM (0DlnM)

257 Atlas Shrugs ..... Coming to a liberal government near you ....when will the producers finally go on strike ? I await the day .....

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (1h0qv)

258 No we do not have strict enough voterID laws. Many states do not require ANY identification.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (O7ksG)

259 "...and play to one of our major strengths: Making fun of Dems."

Can't do it. It's just not a laughing matter to me anymore. I think a hiatus of sorts is in order first and for some time to asses how I'm going to navigate getting more off the grid. Some lifestyle changes and mental readjusting is now in order and of primary import. I don't have the mental makeup to so quickly blow off the historic American failure I just witnessed. I'm probably going to have to give all my socks pink slips, too.

This is not a time for laughter even from the gallows.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (eHIJJ)

260 Businesses were waiting for a sign of the future before engaging in expansion or hiring. The sign is now clear. It says, "Run for your life!"

Go Galt. Hasten the reset.

Posted by: GamerFromJump at November 07, 2012 03:37 AM (B4nBa)

261 131
89 Son gave me an insight - They played a masterful campaign is this
era of IDOL politics and arrested development;Posted by: Amy Shulkusky





I've heard that. If so, we are even closer to Idiocracy than I thought. Fuck, we're essentially already there.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (HKONC)

My sis asked me, a disabled vet, why I would even think of voting R when they would take away my benefits. I tried to explain - this was not about me, short term, but about the US, long term.
Speaking of which, When the crash happened, and they started talking stimulus, I thought uh-oh, Japan just did this shit, I sure hope they know to stop at just one, if they think they really have to do it.
Nope, Stim, son of stim, all to keep the State Fed. workers employed at their usual/higher pay, while the rest of us lost either hours/pay/jobs over the last few years, so it was supposed to keep the virtuous cycle going; "We are saving the States, ergo the state workers, to prevent a cascade effect while the private sector sheds jobs. It will be OK when the economy bounces back." Only problem? The economy did not bounce back.And since O "saved" GM, the State Fed. workers, and unions, not to mention blanket amnesty, the rubes think if they re-elect O, he'll just write another check.Idiocracy, indeed!

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 03:37 AM (uMfFZ)

262 Man, it was really great to get out there today and pull the lever!

It was so great I did that all day instead of voting!!

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (HNn1q)

263 This is who we are as a nation. That realization is the only reason I remain conscious. Hide. Your. Shit.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (QBSp1)

264 If you get 330+ EV, you have a mandate.

Not to mention (and this will be unpopular), I will not stoop to the level of those treasonous suckers of cock who torched Bush's reform of Social Security and went bananas on the feds over a failure by Ray Nagin and Katherine Blanco.

Obama won. Let him do whatever the hell he wants, and use that against him in 2016. OR MOVE, which is an increasingly attractive option

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (w4fEE)

265 Business interests got WHACKED in CA initiatives again tonite. I cannot believe it. CA is fast becoming a middle ages like society.. very rich people at the top, and the rest are people earning 30k at the most. I'd like to see real employment stats.. Everyone I know has started being paid as 'independent contractors', with no benefits, and no payroll taxes are being paid either. How this is legal I don't know

This is a fucking disaster. I'll never speak to anyone who voted for Obama again. Any friends on facebook who are celebrating will get a 'fuckyou' on facebook, and real life.

This wasn't fantasy football.. your team didn't win and you get points.. This is real. We lost idiots.

Get ready for socialism morons! Oh btw little idiots, you know those credit cards? Yeah.. there are no credit cards in a socialistic society. You cannot borrow future earnings, because there aren't any. haha

btw fuckyou all, and spoiled baby boomers who voted for Obama? You are going to lose medicare advantage because of Obamacare. Don't you DARE ask me 'when did that happen?' I TOLD YOU SEVERAL TIMES, AND YOU WROTE ME OFF AS A RIGHTWINGER. GO TO HELL AND JUMP OUT A WINDOW

Posted by: The Teller of Hard Facts at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (5CDB2)

266 I don 't know what I find more dispiriting.

The prospect of Voter fraud or the idea that enough of my fellow Americans are legitimately so fucking retarded.

I can't even hold out any hope for secession. As some aver to.

We had a fricking process IN PLACE, to correct some imbalances.

All you fucking retards had to do was sit home and not re-elect a goddamned FAILURE of a SCOAMF.

Secession, my ASS!

We are not capable of it.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (QG3g9)

267 237 Dave in Fla,

Thanks for all your hard work. Btw, your models showed that an '08 level of turnout compared to the Rs would result in a narrow O win.

It happened that way. Not your fault. Not our fault.

Fore more years.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (ccXZP)

268 Elections should really be on Fridays.

I am in no condition to be driving to work among even my fellow clearly-retarded Obama-voting brehtren tomorrow.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:39 AM (2l+qZ)

269 Here are a few numbers to chew on.

(a) 1%

(b) 2%

(c) 3%

(d) 4%

What are these numbers? They are, very roughly:

(a) 1%: The imagined current inflation rate. Food and fuel costs are about to go hugely higher thanks to supply/demand/policy, but magically, they aren't considered part of the inflation rate! Yet for some reason they both always have a dampening effect on the rest of the economy when they rise sharply. How silly of them.

(b) 2%: last quarter's annualized economic growth. Growth was weaker in the earlier quarters. Note that growth this year was weaker than that of the year before, and that year from the year before that. Draw the trend line. Obamanomics are not accelerating the economy. But rather decelerating it.

(c) 3%: Workforce growth. Note that when (c) is larger than (b), it means that per capita wealth and per capita incomes are going to be falling. They have done so for Obama's entire first term, pretty much. Don't expect this to change.

(d) 4%: the rate at which the debt to GDP ratio is rising per year. Our debt is at about 102% of GDP right now. That's explicit debt, not unfunded liabilities, of which there are many. 120% is the "point of no return" beyond which no nation has ever returned to independent solvency.

The only way that the next four years would be anything other than economically dire would be if there had been an abrupt change of policy course away from Obamanomics in all areas. That change option was considered and discarded by voters. They now will enjoy the full fruits of Obamanomic policy.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 03:39 AM (ymG7s)

270
I will no longer pay to see any movie with a leftwing Obama supporting star in it.

Not that I would go to a Will Farrell movie, i think he's a dork, but Will farrel et al - I'm looking at you.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:39 AM (O7ksG)

271 In all seriousness and unfortunate sobriety, it's
clear that we need to gut the GOP and get a new suite of campaign
professionals in place in time for the next election. The Dems did a
masterful job of finessing a huge number electoral votes despite a very
close popular vote. Posted by: Geoff


Way too early for that latter part.

We don't even know that to be true, but the former ... the former

Holy shit on GOD's Anvil.

The GOP has proven the least likely of holy turd fucks to be worthy of a worm's dinner bell in Hell.

Nothing but contempt here.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (jo069)

272 What do you call a dem pol on a bicycle?



A thief.

Posted by: Flounder at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (Kkt/i)

273 Let us not forget that the last successful second term was Eisenhower.

Watergate, Iran-Contra, Monica, Katrina . . .

TFG will go down in flames over the next four years, and I'm giving early 50:1 odds that the House brings up articles of impeachment over Benghazi

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (w4fEE)

274
I will not spend my money on anything that helps the corrupt democrat party.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (O7ksG)

275 236

We must get voter ID laws. This must be our mission over the next 4 years.



Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (O7ksG)

Voting machine don't care about ID.

Posted by: Honey Badger at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (psSW6)

276 Akin is going to take the blame for this loss, the powers that be in the
media will find it irresistible and easy to package fr the mouth
breathers.

Well, it's not ALL his fault, but he certainly shares a part. He and Mourdock played right into the "WAR ON WOMEN" that apparently was massively successful. Voting with Lady Parts was quite the thing this year.

I'm as pro-life as they come - like Ryan and Santorum pro-life, but on abortion on a national political level? DO NOT CARE. It's the law. It's going to stay the law. Get the hell over it already. Fighting a fight that's been won already and settled for decades seems like a really foolish endeavor.

Posted by: Athena at November 07, 2012 03:41 AM (QS2qe)

277 So long and thanks for all the fish. Love, the dolphins

Posted by: Old_dweeb at November 07, 2012 03:41 AM (GCzqx)

278 Dave in Fla, you have been an inspiration. Thank you.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 03:41 AM (QBSp1)

279 In all seriousness and unfortunate sobriety, it's clear that we need to gut the GOP and get a new suite of campaign professionals in place in time for the next election. The Dems did a masterful job of finessing a huge number electoral votes despite a very close popular vote. And that despite the handicaps of DWS and Simple Joe.


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You can talk party hierarchy and practice till your blue in the face because that's not what defeated us tonight.

It's the "takers" that need to be subdued. You know, the unions (an impossible nut to crack with this victory) and the people from our "education system" that were indoctrinated to hate the principle of freedom.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:41 AM (YDXSQ)

280 Deety,


The biggest shame of this all. Is that if I said 15 years ago Canada would be looking far more attractive now than the US. I would have been laughed at unmercifully.

Except now The Canadians are walking back on much of their absurd liberalism. While we are just moving

FORWARD

Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 07, 2012 03:41 AM (PrzXs)

281 Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 03:39 AM (ymG7s)

All this seems mostly racist.

Because Math.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:42 AM (2l+qZ)

282
Allen West lost. How messed up is that? Something smells.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:42 AM (O7ksG)

283 There are differences (less strength in determining the output of the media, more actual strength in the House), but I liken our position now to that of the other side in 2004. In four years they had it ALL. We wanted it all back in four, but no dice.

How do we get 13 (! urgh) Senate seats and the Presidency in the next four years? Since apparently we can do off-year turnouts better, assume we want 7-10 pickups in 2014. Who are we gunning for?

My best guess of plausible pickups:

AK - Begich beat by _____
AR - Pryor beat by _____
CO - Udall beat by _____
LA - Landrieu beat by (Jindal?)
MN - Franken beat by _____
NH - Shaheen beat by _____
NC - Hagan beat by _____
SD - Johnson beat by _____
VA - Warner beat by _____

Warner's arguable, I left peripheral shots like Harkin, Baucus, and Merkley off the list.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:42 AM (fXInK)

284 Can't do it. It's just not a laughing matter to me anymore.

You and others seem to be under the misapprehension that I think the situation is amusing. I do not. I do believe that at this time in particular we should remember that our values and principles are stronger, more self-consistent, and more just than those of the opposition. And I choose to express that remembrance through mockery of the opposition.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 03:42 AM (SnU+8)

285 248
I'm not sure, in fact, I think it was lots of little

lies instead of one big lie {Fla. polls are closed} that did us in. My

gut *knew* O in '08, and it *knew*R/R in '12.Posted by: Amy Shulkusky

I called 08 in Feb 08. What goodie did I win?



Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (jo069)
Are we playing one up and nobody told me? I posted that because I was trying to illustrate a point - in '08 I had never voted, and followed politics rather loosely. In 2010 I popped that cherry and really started paying attention - hence my "am I too close" comment.As a libertarian, I always considered R's and D's 2 sides of the same coin, but I thought at least the R's expansion of gov't was for the betterment of all.

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 03:43 AM (uMfFZ)

286 "Dave in Fla,

Thanks for all your hard work. Btw, your models
showed that an '08 level of turnout compared to the Rs would result in a
narrow O win.

It happened that way. Not your fault. Not our fault.

Fore more years."

I suspect my models were right, but I guessed wrong on the turnout. But then, so did everyone. I'll look at them again at some point, not for awhile though.

Time to move on and figure out how I can avoid listening to the SCOAMF for 4 more years.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 03:43 AM (dX4hn)

287 Bill Whittle is back to the post Reagan parallel culture development idea with a touch of Glenn Beck's retrain the youth and the stranded left behinds (perpetual children) in virtue. Maybe he's hoping to be the next William F. Buckley.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/26770607

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 07, 2012 03:43 AM (CCHli)

288 266 I don 't know what I find more dispiriting.

The prospect of Voter fraud or the idea that enough of my fellow Americans are legitimately so fucking retarded.

I can't even hold out any hope for secession. As some aver to.

We had a fricking process IN PLACE, to correct some imbalances.

All you fucking retards had to do was sit home and not re-elect a goddamned FAILURE of a SCOAMF.

Secession, my ASS!

We are not capable of it.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (QG3g9)


Sounds more like Hilda than Deety!

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 03:43 AM (jts1f)

289 #253 - Oh, scary words, too. "The own it"

Who gives an F?

They've owned it for the last 30 years and they're doing just fine.

-----

It's also naive. Of course they won't own it. It's going to be 2 years of these darn Republicans in the House are blocking you from your rightful utopia and preventing fairness from being restored to our society.

It doesn't matter how much Boehner caves either. Whatever they give, the Dems will ask for more. Wherever the R's draw the line, that's what will saturate news cycles for 2 years.

The fiscal cliff will not be solved for. It's can't be when the status quo is the result of these elections. They'll do some half measures, I'm sure, but the fallout is coming, and if you don't think that's disproportionately going to hit the House, then you're not paying attention.

Now the senate? They can't even pass a budget, and they go unchallenged and win races (though we shot ourselves in the foot on a couple of those).

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 03:44 AM (UvR6d)

290 Mandate??? Barack doesn't need one when he's willing to do everything with Czars and Executive Orders... You think after getting him elected twice the MSM is going to report anything this guy does...

Looks like I'll be hanging out in Galt's Gulch for another 4 years

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 03:45 AM (MAhUT)

291 We must get voter ID laws. This must be our mission over the next 4 years.

----------------------------------------------


Good luck with that. Again, we still have Holder as the head of the DoJ. He'll thwart every effort to implement voter ID.

And unfortunately, by the time it gets to the SCOTUS, the dictator's justices will rule against any changes.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:45 AM (YDXSQ)

292 Now that it's over, can I mention that Tommy Thompson sucked and Eric Hovde would have been much better vs. Baldwin? When you're doing push-up challenges, you pretty much suck.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (QBSp1)

293 Holder. Wow is that man currupt.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (O7ksG)

294 I'm not very funny to begin with, and tonight I have no funny in me at all. I don't think any of us have any making fun or mockery in us, just sadness at what has happened to our nation. We're grieving. That's a process that has to make its way before we can move on.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (r4wIV)

295 Teller, a good way to pay guys under the table, other then cash, is to buy gift cards from places that you normally do business: Lowes, Home Depot, Costco, etc. It should be years before the IRS has enough information to unravel the expenses fee card purchases.

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:47 AM (CofEF)

296 289 ... Now the senate? They can't even pass a budget, and they go unchallenged and win races (though we shot ourselves in the foot on a couple of those). Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 03:44 AM (UvR6d)

So-cons. nuff said.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 03:47 AM (jts1f)

297 I live in Texas, would it be possible to be our own country again? The left doesn't give two fucks about the Constitution, can't imagine any opposition from that angle.

Posted by: Texas Ranger at November 07, 2012 03:48 AM (IvvrO)

298 At least the Lightworker label will stay relevant for four more years.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 03:48 AM (1QsHl)

299 I had never voted, and followed politics rather
loosely. In 2010 I popped that cherry and really started paying
attention - hence my "am I too close" comment.As a libertarian, I always
considered R's and D's 2 sides of the same coin, but I thought at least
the R's expansion of gov't was for the betterment of all.Posted by: Amy Shulkusky


Well, you're about to find out how pedantic that thin coin is.

3 socialist judges on SCOTUS?

Don't even bother complaining.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:48 AM (jo069)

300 Mandate??? Barack doesn't need one when he's willing to do everything with Czars and Executive Orders... You think after getting him elected twice the MSM is going to report anything this guy does...

-----------------------------------------

This is what I've been trying to tell everyone here that's been coming up with solutions using the "old" American method.

The United States as we've known it has ceased to exist. There's going to be a whole new way of doing things now.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (YDXSQ)

301 8% unemployment. 16 trillion in debt. And they ran on Big Bird, birth control and binders. And it fucking WORKED.

I'm just going to give up trying to get into the minds of others. Clearly my brain doesn't work in the same manner as theirs.

Posted by: Warden at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (0DlnM)

302
When Sharia comes I won't be giving a shit about women's rights. Or gays. Or Jews.

You voted for the JEF, you get the rewards.

Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (wUFaM)

303 voter ID laws aren't going fix the fundamental problem: too many takers and not enough producers. We've crossed that threshold and I fear it's too late to turn back.

Posted by: not the mama at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (kzCIn)

304 295 ... It should be years before the IRS has enough information to unravel the expenses fee card purchases. Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:47 AM (CofEF)

For a while maybe. The art of data mining is developing rapidly. Soon we will have the choice of being an open book to our government and any corporation in bed with them, or dropping off the grid and living like a guerrilla or a refugee.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 03:50 AM (jts1f)

305 Just throwing it out there, but given the surprisingly low vote totals for our guys and some weird exit polling numbers, especially in places like Virginia, I'm curious: did Mitt being a Mormon keep "values voters" home?

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:50 AM (fXInK)

306 Hey, at least we dodged Roseanne Barr.






Wait, she might have been better than four more years.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 03:51 AM (AZGON)

307 2000 rds. to celebrate- freedom munitions

Posted by: DAve at November 07, 2012 03:51 AM (XDC0v)

308 We're grieving. That's a process that has to make its way before we can move on.

I'm satisfied that the darkness of the previous thread has lightened by several shades in this one. It wasn't healthy.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 03:51 AM (SnU+8)

309 The funny thing is that TPM and Firedoglake are going to be roasting TFG as a hardcore right-winger when he agrees to a deal that raises taxes om everybody and cuts non-essential spending by a percentage of 1 point.

Honduras' new private libertarian city is looking better and better . . .

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:52 AM (w4fEE)

310 PEOPLE! LISTEN TO ME!

They want us to give up. They want us to let it slip away.

There is always a solution. I just suggest we prepare ourselves for the worst.

I see civil war on the Horizon. It's unavoidable now. The producer states cannot continue producing under such onerous legislation and regulation that the Obama administration will surely produce.

At some point someone's going to shoot someone. the crap will hit the ventilation device and we will have war.

I reccomend we all get guns and brush up on our shooting skills cause this is gonna get so ugly it'll make the 1860's look like a picnic.

It will come for us at some point... I can guarantee it. Even now the takers are running out of makers to rob. Even now the specter of bankruptcy is looming over us (as it has been for a long time, we have just been loathe to admit).

But at least the next civil conflict will give us one objective: protect ourselves. The last liberty we will have is that of life. I say we all band together to do just that.

If you are in a blue state... get thee out of Babylon. That is where the worst of it will occur and it will occur there first. That and you are seriously outnumbered. Your chances of survival there will be zero. You will be the first ones they come after. Your only chance is to flee to where you can more easily find reinforcements.

Posted by: chaz at November 07, 2012 03:52 AM (C45Td)

311 Eventually you guys will figure out that where I was years ago is the answer--standing athwart the road at Lexington Green, saying "you might have more force, but we stand anyway."

It will take a few years to generate the momentum, but that is your answer. Lexington and Concord. I welcome off ramps, but that is the answer. Get used to it.

Posted by: A. at November 07, 2012 03:52 AM (kjTzB)

312 I just woke up to this crappy news. So, the majority of the voting American public prefer the petty, malignant narcissist/liar and wannabe dictator who has done everything possible to drive the US economy into oblivion and turn this country into an Eastern European commie shithole. These people deserve everything that's coming to them courtesy of the SCOAMF regime.

I am sorry for the rest of us. I really did not see this coming, not this election. Not after four years of incompetence and just plain disaster. I thought better of my fellow Americans.

Posted by: Chalky at November 07, 2012 03:52 AM (nm4/M)

313 OK, really? Sharia? End of the country? Was AoS this full of crap four years ago?

Buck up, and figure out how to win next time. Or are the principles our side believes in really just pretty words we like to hear?

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (fXInK)

314 Oh well, I had these fantasies of visiting Greece next year. Now "Greece: The Collapse" with bouzouki backup will be touring the US.

Indefinitely.

Posted by: mb at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (GBHFQ)

315
The Corner is apparently still following the Assisted Suicide Act in MA....

Judging by how they have voted the last 20 years, I think I am a late switcher to "for".

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (4ABat)

316 I haven't been on here for awhile, but let me make one final comment and then go away forever:

I conclude one thing about this election. The blacks want welfare, the Hispanics want to have more illegal immigration, women want to have their abortions paid for (and God help anyone who will deny them that), and whites don't want jobs and are too fucking stupid to know when a black man named Obama is raping them up the ass.

That's my comment. Call me a racist if you wish, but that is what the voting in this election told me today.

I now go away. This country died tonight. I am no longer an American. I am a former American in a land occupied by assholes, asshats, and clingers-on. Sorry.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (5NUzI)

317 I want to express-- here, now, drunk as I am, because I'm likely to withdraw from all political online engagement for a long time--

That I'm grieving many things. The future of America.

But one thing I don't know that anyone else has expressed.

I'm sad, I'm really sad, that America has tragically passed up on the opportunity of a ROMNEY/RYAN ticket.

IMO, the best Republican ticket in my lifetime. And maybe beyond that.

IMO, this is beyond a Republican or conservative ticket. This is about a very specific HISTORICAL OPPORTUNITY.

The USA passed on a Romney/ Ryan ticket-- when I'm hard pressed to think of ANYONE in the entire USA (who's politically viable) better suited for the present challenges and crises facing the USA/ White House than these two men, with their specific skills, sets of expertise and knowledge etc.

Seriously-- It's a fucking tragedy. I mean that. in the full sense of the word "tragedy".

God, god save us. Fuck. But IMO the USA's best chance for salvation-- a Romney/ Ryan ticket--

is gone.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (tUcg9)

318 Should I start posting Appleseed dates again?

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:54 AM (wLibB)

319 I'm satisfied that the darkness of the previous thread has lightened by several shades in this one. It wasn't healthy.
Posted by: geoff


Get ready for a shit load of worse.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:54 AM (jo069)

320 It's going to be hard to watch Obama slip in all the subtle digs and gloats that you know he will do...because he's just an arrogant teenager with power.
If he knows he looks like an ass the way he struts...he'll strut more often etc.

Posted by: Bendover at November 07, 2012 03:54 AM (psSW6)

321 And if you're not so keen on fleeing to a red state... may I ask you to do something for the rest of us here?

Take as many of them with you as you can.

Posted by: chaz at November 07, 2012 03:54 AM (C45Td)

322 The United States as we've known it has ceased to exist. There's going to be a whole new way of doing things now.

If Obama stole the election, then America is over.

Given the clearly defined competing choices the two campaigns presented to the electorate, if Obama won this without stealing the election, then America is over.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 07, 2012 03:54 AM (ogdab)

323 Keep calm and start plotting for 2013 & 2014. 2010 has demonstrated we can kick their ass. Proper planning now means victory in 2014!

Don't get angry... get even.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 03:55 AM (sZTYJ)

324 Got to it late. Eff-yoouuuuu-Twitter.

And thanks, Geoff. This is perfect.

Posted by: Andy at November 07, 2012 03:56 AM (OZPoa)

325 Get ready for a shit load of worse.

More able hands than mine will have to deal with that. I'm just the salve for the evening.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 03:56 AM (SnU+8)

326 Keep calm and start plotting for 2013 2014. 2010 has demonstrated
we can kick their ass. Proper planning now means victory in 2014!



Don't get angry... get even.

* * * * *

This.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:56 AM (fXInK)

327 302 When Sharia comes I won't be giving a shit about women's rights. Or gays. Or Jews. You voted for the JEF, you get the rewards. Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (wUFaM)

I wish that sentiment upon the hippies, the commies, and the foolish children who actually responsible. The others are not to blame. I have several women including grandmothers, mothers/inlaws, sisters, daughters, and nieces. Only two of seventeen voted for the lightbringer.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 03:56 AM (jts1f)

328 305 Just throwing it out there, but given the surprisingly low vote totals for our guys and some weird exit polling numbers, especially in places like Virginia, I'm curious: did Mitt being a Mormon keep "values voters" home?
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:50 AM (fXInK)

-----

I think you have to look at it like this. Romney outperformed the senate races in the same states in most every case, and many times by huge margins. You can go down the line and look at the gaps.

We can do the circular firing squad game, and talk about how Romney should have done this or that, but I think the answer is staring us in the face. There's a lot of people that love Uncle Sugar too much.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 03:57 AM (UvR6d)

329
THIS IS THE 2nd CYCLE IN A ROW WHERE GOP COMPLETELY IGNORED HISPANICS.
I am Hispanic. Conservative. GOP is a a bunch of fucktards. Hispanics will respond positively if you just try. Bush did it in 00/04 and almost got 45-50% of the Hispanic vote.
McCain and Romney completely ignored Hispanics... and well... low 20s%.
GET A FREAKING CLUE. Its NOT about immigration. Hispanics are traditional family (try calling a straight Hispanic gay without getting decked... hello.... "machismo"). Traditional family. Fiscal conservatives (spend no more than you make -- heck, many dont even have bank accounts which means... no credit cards, no debt... spend only the cash on them).
Until the GOP learns how to speak to Hispanics, this pain is only going to get worse!
For those offended. Good. WHAT THE FUCK UP.

Posted by: Learn to Love Socialism at November 07, 2012 03:57 AM (gKz+d)

330 "Don't get angry, get even." But please temper with "Don't get crazy or stupid."

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 03:57 AM (fXInK)

331 Geoff -

t'anks again, man.

Signing off and getting some sleep...

Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 03:57 AM (gh+mp)

332 Told ya, bitches!!

Posted by: Mayans at November 07, 2012 03:57 AM (20NzC)

333 Five hundred Dems walk into a bar and there is no seating. They cry out in unison "can we get a spot to eat?"

The barkeep shakes his head sadly and says "Michael Moore was in earlier and ate all the booths. But if you hurry, there's a place for 490 of you in Debbie Wassermann Schultz's cooter hair."

A mad scramble occurs.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 03:58 AM (ccXZP)

334 Fred Thompson/Rick Lazio 2016!!

Because we don't want to get your hopes up.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 03:58 AM (AZGON)

335 323 Keep calm and start plotting for 2013 & 2014. 2010 has demonstrated we can kick their ass. Proper planning now means victory in 2014!

Don't get angry... get even.

I would like to think you're right... but I don't think you are. Too many people in this country have sold their birthright for a free meal... or a free phone... or free birth control... etc.

The Curse of Esau now is fully vested upon our country.

Posted by: chaz at November 07, 2012 03:58 AM (C45Td)

336 Let me tell you how this could have been worse....









Yea i got nothing

Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 07, 2012 03:59 AM (PrzXs)

337 I'm going to finish off the last of my beer, and then try to get some sleep.

Put off a lot of work and family time fighting this election, and at least I can be comforted by saving Heller from defeat.

Back to work and more time with the family.

Then off to fight for freedom again..

Night everyone.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 03:59 AM (sZTYJ)

338 "...and play to one of our major strengths: Making fun of Dems."

Can't do it. It's just not a laughing matter to me anymore.


Oh, for Christ's sake.

When facing the existential threat of Nazism and imperial Japan, Americans laughed their asses off.

This ought to make you ashamed of yourself.

In The Longest Day, by Cornelius Ryan, a war correspondent hit Omaha Beach with the Rangers. They were under murderous machine-gun fire, most of it from MG42s that spat out 1500 rounds per minute.

The correspondent waded through seawater reddened with the blood of dead Americans and made his way to a steel hedgehog, the obstacle that looks like a giant jack made of girders. There were two American soldiers huddled behind it, their only protection from the streams of bullets that kicked up sand in their faces.

As the correspondent flung himself down beside these soldiers, he heard one say to the other, "I'm telling you for the last time: In this man's army the canteen is worn on the right hip!"

We survived the Great Depression; we survived FDR and his totally illegal big-government schemes and Supreme Court packing; and we survived World War II.

We'll survive one more term of Obama, and we should laugh all the way through it.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 03:59 AM (SI/pw)

339 From this day foward, if any state that went for the
SCOAMT in this election suffers any kind of a disaster, they'll get
nothing but scorn from me. Sorry for all you 'rons and 'ettes in the
Sandy area. But fuck the northeast.



As far as I'm concerned, those states that went for Baraka tonight I will not consider part of America.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (YDXSQ)

Good point. Time to update my shit list.

Posted by: Flounder at November 07, 2012 03:59 AM (Kkt/i)

340 God, god save us. Fuck. But IMO the USA's best chance for salvation-- a Romney/ Ryan ticket--

is gone.


Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (tUcg9)

Agreed.If people of clean moral character and love of country like RR can lose, what is there? They were a fresh start to changing the image of the corrupt politician...the first ones..and America said.."Nah..we'll pass.Where do you go from there....mix a little sleeze into it again??

Posted by: Bendover at November 07, 2012 04:00 AM (psSW6)

341 >>>>We can do the circular firing squad game, and talk about how Romney should have done this or that, but I think the answer is staring us in the face. There's a lot of people that love Uncle Sugar too much.

This. As I've been saying, got a sinking feeling during the debates when CNN's dials would go up for whoever promised the most free-shit.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 04:00 AM (JycCV)

342 "I have several women including grandmothers, mothers/inlaws, sisters,
daughters, and nieces. Only two of seventeen voted for the lightbringer."

I hope you give those 2 a well deserved punch in the face.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler at November 07, 2012 04:00 AM (xk0Xg)

343 Nope.
The "Julias" of this world have the bit in their teeth and there is no slowing them down.

Give 'em their head, I say (as if I had a choice)!

I wonder what they will do?

Sitting on their mountains of free birth control, when their babies go hungry.

I wonder what they will do?

When the churches shut down their pantries in addition to their chapels to keep with conscience.

I wonder what they will do?

Riot in the street?

Like a Greek?

Like an OWser?

Who will they beg from?

You damn well made sure that I should be impoverished, in perpetuity.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 04:01 AM (QG3g9)

344 This is about 100x worse than 2008. 2008 was unfortunate, but understandable. People were tired of Bush, and the economic fall was easy enough to pin on him. None of the indicators justify the spanking we received tonight. This election can only be explained by the Obamaphone majority.

Posted by: Boone at November 07, 2012 04:01 AM (tIyK2)

345 More drunk ramblings....


I struck my Colors the day that Obamacare passed. It was the day it became undeniable to me that the Untied States of America had ceased to exist in any form close to what is spelled out in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. We became a banana republic the night that Abomination was shoved up our collective asses.


Only my Gadston has flown since then.


I was REALLY looking forward to raising Old Glory to where it rightfully belongs tonight. I viewed the inevitable victory of Romny and Ryan as the sign that this nation was going to start back on a path to sanity.


It seems that I was wrong. We are now firmly in the hands of the lunatics running the asylum.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 04:01 AM (pR0/y)

346 If LSU had held off the Crimson Tide, 0bama would have lost. Fuckers.

Posted by: logprof engaging in sports superstition at November 07, 2012 04:01 AM (jKE+Z)

347 Until the GOP learns how to speak to Hispanics, this pain is only going to get worse!
For those offended. Good. WHAT THE FUCK UP.

Posted by: Learn to Love Socialism


Not so sure you helped your message with the moniker, Learn to Love Socialism.

But yes, the GOP in CA particularly has failed. If not for the fact that they closed their permanent offices this year, well DUH, pendejo.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 04:02 AM (jo069)

348 Keep calm and start plotting for 2013 2014. 2010 has demonstrated we can kick their ass. Proper planning now means victory in 2014! Don't get angry... get even.


------------------------------------------------


I believe we'll have another election. Just not the traditional American kind. Remember. These people have four years of lame-duck destruction to wreak. They'll be really flexible.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 04:02 AM (YDXSQ)

349 Can someone please direct me to the nearest gun store?

Posted by: Y. Sam at November 07, 2012 04:02 AM (TtLsS)

350 Oh yeah, before I go to sleep.

If you didn't vote for Romney?

I don't think I will ever forgive you. Not that you should care what I think.

But what do you think of yourself-- in the harsh light of day.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 04:02 AM (tUcg9)

351 I still can't sleep
The tequila don't work.

We didn't win here, I don't think we can win anywhere. We are just going to have to ride it out until the fed crumbles. That will take a while. It is going to suck. Europe has been at it for a long long time. We have at least that long to go.

My poor kids.

Posted by: mrshad at November 07, 2012 04:02 AM (0yAqu)

352 I think you have to look at it like this. Romney outperformed the
senate races in the same states in most every case, and many times by
huge margins. You can go down the line and look at the gaps.



We can do the circular firing squad game, and talk about how Romney
should have done this or that, but I think the answer is staring us in
the face. There's a lot of people that love Uncle Sugar too much.

* * * * *

Oh, absolutely. And I would never talk down Mitt. Romney-Ryan was a fantastic choice for America, and the presidential ticket I've been proudest to vote for. Yes, it wasn't enough, but 24 hours ago we weren't buying into the idea that Americans will only vote for a dole, or that our party is on the edge of extinction because we could lose the popular vote by fractions of a percentage point* to an incumbent.

*What if this was 2000 again, and we'd won OH/FL/CO by the narrowest of margins despite losing what looks like 49.9-49.0 popular vote? We'd be overjoyed, right? This wailing is just fun for trolls and irritating for anyone who is even-keeled.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:03 AM (fXInK)

353 329, press2 for the blog in Spanish

Seriously, we don't do, or haven't done, identity politics on the right. How did Bush talk to "you" as a social, fiscal conservative that was any different then Romney? I seem to remember McCain pissing off a huge chunk of his base with an amnesty pitch that wasn't rewarded.

Are you saying Sue Martinez or bust in 2016?

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 04:03 AM (UjSt7)

354 "From this day foward, if any state that went for the
SCOAMT in this election suffers any kind of a disaster, they'll get nothing but scorn from me. Sorry for all you 'rons and 'ettes in the Sandy area."

I will NEVER feel bad for people in those blue states again.

For all I care, they can wash out New Jersey AND they can take Chris Christie's fat fucking ass along with Bruce Springsteen in the first wave. They will get no feelings for me. Ever again.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:03 AM (5NUzI)

355 logprof engaging in sports superstition at November 07, 2012 04:01 AM (jKE+Z)

I saw 7 geese flying over 7 clouds 7 days ago ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 04:04 AM (gh+mp)

356 I hope, hope, hope that Ace is getting it on with the prettiest girl in the world right now. I am forlorned that Mitt did not take place as my President...He deserved it.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 04:04 AM (y2Ojs)

357 No pol can win if we cover for his opponent and mislead about his statements.

Posted by: MSM at November 07, 2012 04:04 AM (wUFaM)

358
I just want to take a second to give a giant "FUCK YOU!" to that selfish bastardTodd Akinfor singlehandedly allowing Claire McCaskill to continue to fuck up my country for another six years.
If Akin and Mourdock haven't made it clear, if you're pro-life and seeking high office you had better have an intelligent and compassionate-sounding answer ready when someone in the media asks you about rape babies, because they are going to ask.

Dumbasses....

Okay, I feel better.

Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 04:04 AM (/2nEx)

359 I had a pretty bad feeling that this was all over, this experiment in relatively free enterprise, in 2008.

No matter what this Marxist cockgobbler did, I figured the economy, propelled by self-interest, would of itself rebound massively, as it always had, and ensure the grinning gargoyle's second term, if only he secured the first unicorn-rainbow-fraud "victory".

Then, well, then we endured anemic GDP growth after year of anemic GDP growth. We saw sclerotic, ridiculous unemployment "gains", unworthy of the name. Maybe, I thought, there'd be a chance. Maybe the nation could see, first-hand, what this grasping greedy Marxist fuckknob was doing to the country, what his parasitic policies were doing to THEMSELVES.

Oh no.

That might require forethought.

Underemphasize not the cupidity of thy fellow parasite, I guess.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 04:05 AM (2l+qZ)

360 I don't have kids, so at least that is something.

Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 04:06 AM (wUFaM)

361 Until the GOP learns how to speak to Hispanics, this pain is only going to get worse!
For those offended. Good. WHAT THE FUCK UP.

Posted by: Learn to Love Socialism at November 07, 2012 03:57 AM (gKz+d)

--Well hombre, give us some fucking language lessons. My wife is Mexican and she saw through 0bama's bullshit (she's super religious) and knew he was anti-life --but she couldn't vote. On the other hand, several of her Hispanic colleagues joyfully voted for Zero. Would you care to hand us a fucking dictionary?

Posted by: logprof engaging in sports superstition at November 07, 2012 04:06 AM (jKE+Z)

362 342 "I have several women including grandmothers, mothers/inlaws, sisters,
daughters, and nieces. Only two of seventeen voted for the lightbringer." ... I hope you give those 2 a well deserved punch in the face. Posted by: Vlad the Impaler at November 07, 2012 04:00 AM (xk0Xg)


Made me spit achohol all over the screen ... I am an old fashioned son of a bitch so, no ... but they both know better than to look to me for sympathy regarding, well, pretty much anything.

Posted by: Lucifer at November 07, 2012 04:06 AM (jts1f)

363 The United States as we've known it has ceased to exist. There's going to be a whole new way of doing things now.
--
Military coup?

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 04:06 AM (F3s39)

364 And another word:

Sandra Fluke, wherever you are...I hope your PUSSY EXPLODES LIKE A GRENADE, you sick mother fucking bitch.

I have been waiting for a long time to s say that.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:07 AM (5NUzI)

365 It's over. The country we love is no more. Next will come Amnesty, and the flood of new Hispanic voters will make this country as leftwing as California. And as bankrupt.
That doesn't even take into account the series of 9-11 attacks that are coming; and the second Holocaust that is now a certainty when Iran gets the bomb and nukes Israel.
Sorry Ace, there is nothing funny here. There will likely be nothing funny ever again.
It is only doom and death.
We are finished.

Posted by: Eric R. at November 07, 2012 04:07 AM (26SQP)

366 []iLet me tell you how this could have been worse....



Yea i got nothing

Ye bastard!


At least tell me how Helen Thomas might have show up for Government-Mandated Reproduction-Time.


Wait, is that worse ...

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 04:07 AM (2l+qZ)

367 For those talking about how unpopular ObamaStateMedicalMandate is, I CANNOT even begin to count how many people, even otherwise non-dumb people, I have had to correct who believed that it was going to get them free health insurance.

They honestly believed it was single-payer or subsidized their future plans, and NONE of them could specifically state where they got that information.

Pretty much the world runs on lies. Most of them probably got it from hollywood or MSNBC or Yahoo news or whatever useless crap they consume like baby birds.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 04:07 AM (bxiXv)

368
The simple fact is, there are WAAAAY too many people who think the gov't is made of money and exists only to give them stuff.
The sadly comical thing is, it isn't.
Off the fiscal cliff, hell with it. Congress need not compromise.
Fuck it. The only way we wean the nation off the tit is to starve it.
Guns and ammo, and canned goods. FTW, nite.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 04:08 AM (4ABat)

369
The left worships diversity and socialism, and so Obama really is their Messiah. The media went intoshameless propaganda mode, even to the point of outright lying. That's a hell of a thing to try to overcome. Mitt still had to use kid gloves, lest he appear to be picking on a "black man", even if it didn't seem as bad as for McCain. I don't blame Mitt. I blame them, and the chimps they have brainwashed.

The Leftist establishment has finished siezing control.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 04:08 AM (Mxt9o)

370 Alchemist, and it is so easy to spin that question back at them in a way that ensures the tape of the question will never see a minute of MSM airtime: "Rape, oh you want to talk about Planned Parenthood not reporting statutory rape to the proper authorities .... Oh you want to change the subject now"

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 04:08 AM (ytax8)

371 For the doom and gloom crowd: if Obama dropped his vote total by ~8-10 million, why do you think this was a bizarre final stand in the war against freeloading? Why would this indicate to you that the freeloading had reached the point of no return, as opposed to indicating that there was a backlash against it, but not strong enough to prevail...this instance?

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (fXInK)

372 off damn sock!

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (jts1f)

373 #354 I will NEVER feel bad for people in those blue states again.

I'm not asking for anyone to feel bad for me, but are there any folk here from Texas or Tennesse who can suggest some cities/towns in either of these to states to start my life over in? Seriously, I want to get the hell out of NY and never look back.

Posted by: Chalky at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (nm4/M)

374 We are finished.

Speak for yourself, please.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (SI/pw)

375 "Until the GOP learns how to speak to Hispanics, this pain is only going to get worse!"

Fucking illegals. We should have made Joe Arpaio our nominee. We should give him guns and money to drive the fucking illegals out. Now Obama will legalize 20 million of them, and they all vote for more welfare and more food stamps, i.e., Democrat.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (5NUzI)

376 299
I had never voted, and followed politics rather

loosely. In 2010 I popped that cherry and really started paying

attention - hence my "am I too close" comment.As a libertarian, I always

considered R's and D's 2 sides of the same coin, but I thought at least

the R's expansion of gov't was for the betterment of all.Posted by: Amy Shulkusky

Well, you're about to find out how pedantic that thin coin is.

3 socialist judges on SCOTUS?

Don't even bother complaining.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:48 AM (jo069)

And you wonder why you can't turn tyros to your side?

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 04:10 AM (uMfFZ)

377 Waterhouse, please pass the brain bleach. Once something is imagined, it cannot be unimagined ... bastard!

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 04:10 AM (jts1f)

378 Now you've caused me to fuck up my italics!

No italics no peace!

(I can be securely bought off my impotent rage with 24 hours of canoodling with "Italic" Monica Bellucci)

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 04:10 AM (2l+qZ)

379 I now have no future worth looking too... hence my revolutionary rhetoric: the only way I'll have a half decent future now is to tear it out of the cold dead hands of a liberal.

If that makes me an extremist so be it.

Posted by: chaz at November 07, 2012 04:10 AM (C45Td)

380 If you want to be uplifted, this from Bill Whittle is good:

http://goo.gl/rlg1v

but I'm beyond being uplifted.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (SKX2R)

381 Drudge has a headline "Fear of looting grips NYC."

NY just voted for TFG, who will loot the entire country.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (F3s39)

382 "Seriously, I want to get the hell out of NY and never look back."

I did.

Scottsdale, Arizona. Sun, sun, and we are run by Republicans as far as the eye can see. Joe Arpaio is the Sheriff, and we sent Jeff Flake to the US Senate tonight.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (5NUzI)

383 This is turning into a circus of sunny-day conservatives. Any '08 veterans: was it this bad four years ago?

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (fXInK)

384 What if this was 2000 again, and we'd won OH/FL/CO by the narrowest of margins despite losing what looks like 49.9-49.0 popular vote? We'd be overjoyed, right? This wailing is just fun for trolls and irritating for anyone who is even-keeled.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:03 AM (fXInK)


---------------------------------------------


It still hasn't sunk into your mindwhat just happened tonight. Your treating this like many of the elitist repubs and pundits did. Just another election. Ho hum.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 04:12 AM (YDXSQ)

385 And you wonder why you can't turn tyros to your side?


Posted by: Amy Shulkusk

No, I wonder what the fuck a 'tyros' means.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 04:12 AM (jo069)

386 On the other hand, several of her Hispanic colleagues joyfully voted
for Zero. Would you care to hand us a fucking dictionary?




Seriously. I know a bunch of Hispanics, mostly from Mexico, many illegal (as told to me by the guy that runs the local Latino soccer league). But they work 12+ hours a day 5-6 days a week, are Catholics totally opposed to abortion, and believe in the family structure. I have no idea how to convince them that they live a conservative lifestyle and should vote that way. Tell me.

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 04:12 AM (/Rruc)

387 I voted for Bush/Cheney in 2004 and McCain/Palin in 2008, and hated voting for both on an objective level. I was hoping for a decisive loss for Kerry/Edwards and then a death of a sitting president (McCain).

Romney/Ryan is the first ticket I actually enjoyed voting for and truly believed in. I still believe in Ryan in the House, but this is a crushing blow given the strong character of both men

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 04:13 AM (w4fEE)

388 I now have no future worth looking too... hence my revolutionary
rhetoric: the only way I'll have a half decent future now is to tear it
out of the cold dead hands of a liberal.



If that makes me an extremist so be it.

* * * * *

Only if defeatism is extremism. Maybe a Vichy extremist.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:13 AM (fXInK)

389 "Drudge has a headline "Fear of looting grips NYC.""

I hope NY and NJ get hit by a huge fucking storm this week, so bad it makes Bloomberg;s toupee fly off. And when I see a Red Cross commercial asking me to help, I will yell to screen, "Fuck you, Blue State Assholes! Let Obama rescue you, you dimwitted simpleton fucks!"

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:13 AM (5NUzI)

390 383 This is turning into a circus of sunny-day conservatives. Any '08 veterans: was it this bad four years ago?

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (fXInK)


--Go to bed, troll.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 04:13 AM (jKE+Z)

391 No, I wonder what the fuck a 'tyros' means.

Tyro: a neophyte, a noob, a beginner...

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 04:14 AM (SnU+8)

392 Drudge has a headline "Fear of looting grips NYC."

--------------------------------------------


For the first time in my life, I'm rooting for the looters.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 04:14 AM (YDXSQ)

393 Hey Samwise... I thought you were a megadouche, and I still do pretty much. But you were right. And we're all screwed. But, hey, Scott Walker! Muthafuckas!

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 04:14 AM (QBSp1)

394 Everyone is fooling themselves.

We just walked off in to the socialist abyss

The choice is no longer liberal or conservative

The choice is those who want death panels for grandma

And those who want grandma run through for thought crimes against the state.

Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 07, 2012 04:15 AM (yqmcK)

395 http://goo.gl/rlg1v

No recriminations? No pessimism?

All this Crown Royal finds that unpalatable.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 04:15 AM (2l+qZ)

396 It still hasn't sunk into your mindwhat just happened tonight. Your
treating this like many of the elitist repubs and pundits did. Just
another election. Ho hum.

* * * * *

Hahahaha, no, I'm just not willing to play France 1940 like a significant minority here seems to.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:16 AM (fXInK)

397 This is WAY WORSE WAGOPinTx....I wanted Romney then, but got McCain....I deserved Romney now but the SCOAMF overcame.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 04:16 AM (y2Ojs)

398 For the doom and gloom crowd: if Obama dropped his vote total by ~8-10
million, why do you think this was a bizarre final stand in the war
against freeloading? Why would this indicate to you that the freeloading
had reached the point of no return, as opposed to indicating that there
was a backlash against it, but not strong enough to prevail...this
instance?


Romney ran against an incumbent who had the national press openly rooting for him, covering up his crimes and blunders, and creating a caricature of Romney that didn't exist, yet Romney got within one percentage point of Obama.

To say that we're now a nation of worthless freeloaders is absurd.

The answer to why we lost is simple, as expressed in the exit polls: The majority of the country still blames Bush for our economic problems and thinks Obama deserves more time to "fix" them, and the majority of the country felt that Romney's policies would benefit "the rich" at the expense of everyone else.

These same people accused of being moochers also added to the Republican majority in the House and elected more Republican governors than at any time in history.

The Republicans couldn't overcome the narrative about their presidential candidate. That's all. Maybe no Republican could've.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:17 AM (SI/pw)

399 "For the first time in my life, I'm rooting for the looters."

Me, too. I want to see more guns in NY, more mayhem in Illinois, more destruction in Pennsylvania (especially Philly), and Atlantic City washed into the sea.

Fuck 'em all. I wash my hands of people who voted for four more years of disaster. So let them have it, IN SPADES.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:17 AM (5NUzI)

400 --Go to bed, troll.

* * * * *

I do need to go to work tomorrow, but I don't take orders from randos on a site who call "troll".

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:17 AM (fXInK)

401 Oh, hey now!

No call to start hating on the So-cons!

You got your wish, Media!

No, "divisive" religious red meat in the campaign, from RR.

How fucking DARE anyone call out the So-Cons for not showing up in sufficient numbers.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 04:17 AM (QG3g9)

402 338 Llarry,

Wow, about the last person expressing hope and optimism I had on my list of commenters.

So, you're saying it's 'fix bayonets' before the charge, not after?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 04:18 AM (ccXZP)

403 Speak for yourself, please.
I am sure I speak for tens of millions.
I am not the type to commit suicide, but could understand now what might drive people to it - knowing that everything you believed in has failed you.

Posted by: Eric R. at November 07, 2012 04:18 AM (26SQP)

404 ", no, I'm just not willing to play France 1940 like a significant minority here seems to."

The only reason that I'm not in the basement reloading for stress relief instead of blogging, is that it is really late and I've been drinking and I don't want to spend all next weekend with the bullet puller.

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 04:18 AM (ytax8)

405 388

Only if defeatism is extremism. Maybe a Vichy extremist.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:13 AM (fXInK)

I sure hope it doesn't come to that.

But you're one person I don't want in my foxhole should the shooting start.

Posted by: chaz at November 07, 2012 04:19 AM (C45Td)

406 Well, the looters just got re-elected, so they want to celebrate publicly.

Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 04:20 AM (wUFaM)

407 Chalky, in TN Nashville is great. One of my favorite cities in the US. In Texas, Houston is apparently one of the few places more red than it was in 2008, and we just kicked out the Ds who took over in 2008. Austin is nice if you are ok living with lefties.

Posted by: Boone at November 07, 2012 04:20 AM (tIyK2)

408 Maybe listening to Bill Whittle for 90 mins will give me some perspective.

Dunno.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 04:20 AM (2l+qZ)

409
so bad it makes Bloomberg;s toupee fly off.



Thank you darlin!...made me lol....seriously

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 04:21 AM (y2Ojs)

410 At least we kept the House. Not much, but not a disaster of all proportions.

Boehner should do his utmost to stymie Obama. No "jobs bill," no more stimulus, and let the country go over the fiscal cliff.

I for one want to see unemployment jump to 10%. Let the media explain that.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:21 AM (5NUzI)

411 I'm just not willing to play France 1940 like a significant minority here seems to.

You see the big picture, which is much more complicated. More Republican governors and strengthening the Republican majority in the House means that we're not embracing socialism.

Romney lost because he wasn't able to convince people that he was a better alternative. Most people don't know about Benghazi, or Fast and Furious, or how horrible Obamacare is.

That's why they stuck with Obama.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:21 AM (SI/pw)

412 Norah?

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 07, 2012 04:22 AM (ekF3x)

413 This is WAY WORSE WAGOPinTx....I wanted Romney then, but got McCain....I deserved Romney now but the SCOAMF overcame.

* * * * *

I'm not arguing about the suckitude; I'm arguing that we've been tripped and need to pick ourselves up, and it's silly to see the others of our merry band who have tripped and fallen, and who are now writhing on the ground saying that they're still falling into a bottomless abyss.

(I voted Huckabee as McCain protest, as the primaries were all but decided by the time my state got around to them in '08. Again: Mitt is the Republican I'm proudest to have voted for [not an old-timer, so no Reagan vote here].)

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:22 AM (fXInK)

414 One of the more attractive options I read was no more giving to charity. I will tithe to my church but that's it. Nothing else. I would be willing to send some money to a red state suffering through a natural disaster but if you're a blue state? Fuck off. Go ask black Jesus for some money.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 04:22 AM (tDieS)

415 Damn!

I was ready to pack my bags and emigrate from Australia, escaping an incompetent left-wing government that is trashing the country WORSE (yes WORSE) than Mr Obama. A Romney led America is/was my idea of paradise.

I think it's time to get drunk.

Then I'll meet you on that Fiscal Cliff.

Posted by: Michael from West Oz at November 07, 2012 04:23 AM (tVNRZ)

416 Norah?

Oh the puddingity ...

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 04:23 AM (2l+qZ)

417 367
For those talking about how unpopular ObamaStateMedicalMandate is, I
CANNOT even begin to count how many people, even otherwise non-dumb
people, I have had to correct who believed that it was going to get them
free health insurance.



They honestly believed it was single-payer or subsidized their
future plans, and NONE of them could specifically state where they got
that information.



Pretty much the world runs on lies. Most of them probably got it
from hollywood or MSNBC or Yahoo news or whatever useless crap they
consume like baby birds.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 04:07 AM (bxiXv)


There was a damn good reason that only property owners got the vote under the vision of the Founding Fathers. People who have skin in the game vote VERY DIFFERENTLY that those sucking on the Government tit.
Take decades of schools deliberately dumbing down students and feeding them Socialist BULL SHIT and you end up with people voting that haven't the first fucking clue about how ANYTHING works. They are fed lies every Goddamn day from school and Media. Shit that wouldn't seem possible in a fucking Fairy Tale is bought without question by these sheeple and now the rest of us get to go down screaming with them.
Why do you think that so many people push the lie that we're a "democracy"? Democracy is 50%+1 deciding what the other 49.999999999% will do. This nation WAS a Constitutional Republic until the Left began chipping away at it long before I was born.
We now exist within the wreckage of that and I frankly see no hope of correcting it on the fly. It's going to have to be torn down to its foundation, the rotting timbers and rat infested walls that have been cobbled on removed and destroyed before anything resembling what this Nation started out as will every have a chance to be again.
I cringe at what the world will become as other powers rush in to fill the vacuum we leave.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 04:24 AM (pR0/y)

418 Chalky, rural VA has some great deals as well

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 04:24 AM (iy7de)

419 Time to drink with a little more dedication and attentiveness. Those brain cells aren't going to numb themselves. You all have a good night and a much better tomorrow.

Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 04:25 AM (SnU+8)

420 Tyro: a neophyte, a noob, a beginner...Posted by: geoff

Winning from comment #1. Love you too.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 04:25 AM (jo069)

421 I hope Israel is getting itself ready, because this Muslim fanatic in the WH is not going to lift a finger to help them now, no matter how many stupid Jews voted for him.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:25 AM (5NUzI)

422 The only funny thing I've seen today is that retailers, trying to help weak sales for the holidays, are trying to spread the traditional post-Thanksgiving "Black Friday" sale through the whole month, and christening it "Black November."

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 04:25 AM (bxiXv)

423 We also need to remember this and I want the troll to take special notice. By 2014, Obamacare will be in full press. This law rips apart any practiced remnent of our Constitution. We lost a hell of a lot more than just an election tonight.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 04:26 AM (YDXSQ)

424 Can't sleep.

This shit was very stressful because, yeah, I thought Romney would win decisively.

So now I'm having a Schlitz and a couple of benzos. I won't remember a thing about this night tomorrow.---- Hopefully I don't buy too much stupid shit on Amazon or something.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 04:26 AM (b1iOR)

425 Let me repeat, again, what I've said before.

It's a fucking TRAGEDY that the 2 men probably best suited to the herculean challenges-- and the very particular problems-- facing the United States of America at this particular moment in history--

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan--

have been rejected, in favor of...

Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

I've actually thrown up tonight (and intellectually, I can't stop throwing up).

I fear this is one of those moments in history people will look back and think--

WTF where you THINKING?

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 04:26 AM (tUcg9)

426 >>>410 At least we kept the House. Not much, but not a disaster of all proportions.
Boehner should do his utmost to stymie Obama. No "jobs bill," no more stimulus, and let the country go over the fiscal cliff.
I for one want to see unemployment jump to 10%. Let the media explain that.

Gee, I wonder who they'll blame that on?

The MFM needs to be skullfucked into submission. We cannot do this kind of shit when ABC, NBC and CBS are all openly fluffing this motherfucker.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (JycCV)

427 418 Chalky, rural VA has some great deals as well

Except Virginia is now a Socialist state too.

Posted by: Eric R. at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (JbRmM)

428 Posted by: Michael from West Oz at November 07, 2012 04:23 AM (tVNRZ)

Once upon a time I considered Australia my relief valve if things went badly here. Then I heard about YOUR gubmint and immigration policies, and there went that idea right out the window.

I blame Crocodile Dundee.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (ccXZP)

429 Llarry: "Oh, for Christ's sake.

When facing the existential threat of Nazism and imperial Japan, Americans laughed their asses off.

This ought to make you ashamed of yourself."


First, this isn't an enemy from outside wherein people of common beliefs unified to defeat "the other." The Other is us. We have an existential threat from within and it is those who would embrace socialism/Marxism and destroy that which made America. That threat isn't some imaginary, small faction to be sloughed off. It's approaching 50% of the nation in a nation wherein demographics have been swinging pretty strongly to amplify those already present and desirous of raiding someone else's coffers while diminishing their ability to self-support.

Second, piss off on your attempt to shame. You cope however you want but blow it up your ass on dictating to others how they should handle events.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (eHIJJ)

430 "Romney lost because he wasn't able to convince people that he was a better alternative."

Bullshit. He lost because Obama made him out to be a boogeyman, and the media was more than happy to help him along.

Every media outfit in the US, save Fox News, should be boycotted by conservatives. Launch boycotts against companies that advertise, especially on NBC and ABC.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (5NUzI)

431 I fear this is one of those moments in history people will look back and think--

WTF where you THINKING?


Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 04:26 AM (tUcg9)
President Freebies rides again.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (b1iOR)

432 "How fucking DARE anyone call out the So-Cons for not showing up in sufficient numbers."

Don't know if directed at me, but it was an honest, "Wow, look at those weird numbers" question, not a recrimination. The SoCons shouldn't be slammed for anything, we just need a vetting process/rhetorical boot camp for...certain candidates.

* * * * *

"The only reason that I'm not in the basement reloading for stress relief
instead of blogging, is that it is really late and I've been drinking
and I don't want to spend all next weekend with the bullet puller."

Do whatever you gotta do. I had to chain-smoke my way through a few hours.

* * * * *

"But you're one person I don't want in my foxhole should the shooting start."

But it won't, so I guess we can still be friends.

* * * * *

"You see the big picture, which is much more complicated. More Republican
governors and strengthening the Republican majority in the House means
that we're not embracing socialism."

Yeah. Is tonight disappointing? Good god yes. My most disappointing experience electorally (again, not an old-timer) ever. But is it game over? Only if you're not playing anymore...


Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (fXInK)

433 329

THIS IS THE 2nd CYCLE IN A ROW WHERE GOP COMPLETELY IGNORED HISPANICS.
I am Hispanic. Conservative. GOP is a a bunch of fucktards. Hispanics will respond positively if you just try. Bush did it in 00/04 and almost got 45-50% of the Hispanic vote...


Yeah I get it, you are a conservative but you also need your Hispanic ass kissed to do what is right. Fuck You ya racist prick!

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 04:29 AM (cSD32)

434 ... I voted Huckabee as McCain protest, as the primaries were all but decided by the time my state got around to them in '08. Again: Mitt is the Republican I'm proudest to have voted for [not an old-timer, so no Reagan vote here]. Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:22 AM (fXInK)

Hey now. I voted for Reagan and I am only halfway to 100. Oh shit. I got old. How'd that happen?

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 04:30 AM (jts1f)

435 421 I hope Israel is getting itself ready, because this Muslim fanatic in the WH is not going to lift a finger to help them now, no matter how many stupid Jews voted for him.

Well, when Israel's retaliation involves nuking the oil fields of the Middle East and collapsing the entire world economy for 100 years, President Hussein will just blame it on us "Zionists".

Both the Jewish and Christian kind.

Posted by: Eric R. at November 07, 2012 04:30 AM (JbRmM)

436
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:22 AM (fXInK)


Just can't get into it...And I'm made of tough stuff.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 04:31 AM (y2Ojs)

437 338 Llarry,

Wow, about the last person expressing hope and optimism I had on my list of commenters.

So, you're saying it's 'fix bayonets' before the charge, not after?


I'm optimistic because this was a mixed bag. Yes, Romney lost, but that was only because he couldn't overcome the summer-long campaign to kill him. It worked. The media helped by portraying him as a heartless, cold, bumbling, cartoon Republican.

I'm convinced that if every American knew what we all know about Obama and understood what we all know about the economy and foreign policy, Romney would've won by 70 percent.

The country rejected Romney, not conservativism. They didn't trust him, and they still blame Bush. They believed Obama when he said that he just needed more time.

We just elected more Republican governors than any time in our history. That doesn't gibe with the notion that we're all socialists now.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:31 AM (SI/pw)

438 "Gee, I wonder who they'll blame that on?"

For two years, they called the House majority every name in the book: radical, out of touch, obstructionist, etc. And for all of Dickhead's re-election, he LOST seats in the House. So the media crusade against Boehner and Company failed dismally. In 2014, after two more years of Socialist Barry and the Incredible Shrinking Workforce, I bet that the GOP picks up more seats in the House.

We've seen the last of "Speaker Nancy Pelosi."

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:32 AM (5NUzI)

439
WAGOPinTX:
Right. I made that point over at HA while everyone was looking for razors and pens to write a note. This election demonstrates the value of slick packaging; we already knew the American people love them someanything that comes in a nice shiny box even if it's a polished turd and this is pretty much a literal affirmation of that. We just need someone who's telegenic, can articulate conservatism and sound intelligent as they do it, and we have one or two people like that in positions of power already. Second terms are always a letdown, the House gets to keep Jug Ears in check, and the Rubio for President campaign starts tomorrow. Thoseshould beencouraging thoughts.

Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 04:32 AM (/2nEx)

440 My step-mom loves Obama, she also owns her own business.
I can't wait to see how much she loves doing business once Obamacare kicks in.
I'm totally gonna be in "I told ya so" mode.
(unfortunately I don't know if she employs enough people for it to affect her too much)

Posted by: billdo at November 07, 2012 04:33 AM (JjC9W)

441 "Phone call for Mister Obama! Sweden calling! Your second Nobel is in the mail!"

Posted by: D at November 07, 2012 04:33 AM (TtLsS)

442 "Just can't get into it...And I'm made of tough stuff."

Tonight is rough, without a doubt. But this is the salve thread, not the "let's see if we can whine as bad as the other guys do when they lose" thread. Concern for and consideration of the present; optimism for the future. Like, say, our candidate.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:33 AM (fXInK)

443 429

First,
this isn't an enemy from outside wherein people of common beliefs
unified to defeat "the other." The Other is us. We have an existential
threat from within and it is those who would embrace socialism/Marxism
and destroy that which made America. That threat isn't some imaginary,
small faction to be sloughed off. It's approaching 50% of the nation in a
nation wherein demographics have been swinging pretty strongly to
amplify those already present and desirous of raiding someone else's
coffers while diminishing their ability to self-support.


Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (eHIJJ)
You can go back all the way to the French revolution, particularly the English's reaction to it, and find lots of evidence of that self-loathing impulse lurking in the heart of the Left.Just read Hazlitt excoriating Wordsworth and Coleridge for no longer supporting the Revolution. (Yeah, sorry Hazlitt, the Terror had that effect on normal human beings.) Read some of the deranged shit Thomas Jefferson wrote, one time hoping the killings continued until only one new Adam and Eve were left to repopulate a 'free' country.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 04:33 AM (b1iOR)

444 THIS IS THE 2nd CYCLE IN A ROW WHERE GOP COMPLETELY IGNORED HISPANICS. I am Hispanic. Conservative. GOP is a a bunch of fucktards. Hispanics will respond positively if you just try. Bush did it in 00/04 and almost got 45-50% of the Hispanic vote...

------------------------------------------------


Why not give up the "hispanic" bullshit and start calling yourselves Americans. Fuck you.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 04:34 AM (YDXSQ)

445 "I'm convinced that if every American knew what we all know about Obama and understood what we all know about the economy and foreign policy, Romney would've won by 70 percent."

That's all well and good, except it didn't happen. If the Russians had had better rockets, Neil Armstrong wouldn't have been the first man on the moon. But he was. Alternative history is just that - a thesis, and nothing more.

We know what Obama is, but the rest of the unwashed idiots in the US didn't. He parlayed their utter stupidity and gullibility to four more years of fucking up America.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:34 AM (5NUzI)

446 "Romney lost because he wasn't able to convince people that he was a better alternative."



Bullshit. He lost because Obama made him out to be a boogeyman, and the media was more than happy to help him along.



Every media outfit in the US, save Fox News, should be boycotted by
conservatives. Launch boycotts against companies that advertise,
especially on NBC and ABC.


You just agreed with me. Romney wasn't able to convince people he was a better alternative BECAUSE the Dems and the media made him out to be a boogeyman.

Even so, he got within one percentage point. So all this talk of how everything we ever believed in is out the window is an overreaction.

The electorate narrowly rejected Romney the man, not conservative ideology.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:35 AM (SI/pw)

447 438 "Gee, I wonder who they'll blame that on?"
For two years, they called the House majority every name in the book: radical, out of touch, obstructionist, etc. And for all of Dickhead's re-election, he LOST seats in the House. So the media crusade against Boehner and Company failed dismally. In 2014, after two more years of Socialist Barry and the Incredible Shrinking Workforce, I bet that the GOP picks up more seats in the House.
We've seen the last of "Speaker Nancy Pelosi."

You've heard of this 'Presidential Election' thing right? And the Senate, right? The house means somewhere between jack and shit in the long run.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 04:36 AM (JycCV)

448 Tonight is rough, without a doubt. But this is the salve thread, not the "let's see if we can whine as bad as the other guys do when they lose" thread. Concern for and consideration of the present; optimism for the future. Like, say, our candidate.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:33 AM (fXInK)


------------------------------------------------


Fuck off!

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 04:36 AM (YDXSQ)

449 >>> Maybe listening to Bill Whittle for 90 mins will give me some perspective.

He's advocating forgetting elections, and setting up parallel private structures to do things government does while still paying taxes and following the law, but otherwise ignoring the state.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:37 AM (SKX2R)

450 Seriously, boycott ABC, CBS and NBC. They were the only things propping this son of a bitch up.

I'm sorry, you're going to have to miss a few episodes of 'Whiny Hipster Dipshit and his Misogynist Pal' aka 'How I Met Your Mother'.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 04:38 AM (JycCV)

451 "I'm convinced that if every American knew what we all know about Obama
and understood what we all know about the economy and foreign policy,
Romney would've won by 70 percent."



That's all well and good, except it didn't happen.


Yes, I'm aware it didn't happen. My point is that the only reason Romney lost is because he was falsely defined.

People take this election to mean that the U.S. embracing statism. If so, why did the same voters strengthen the "obstructionist" Republican majority in the House?

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:38 AM (SI/pw)

452 437

I agree with this, though I would add that I don't think Romney's loss had to do with either "moderation" or "extremism" (you didn't say this but lots of people will depending on their interest)

we hear a bunch about how few of this country self-IDs as liberal vs. how many ID as conservative. I don't consider us a "center-right country" as people like Charles Krauthammer put it but Obama obviously got some people who are not hardcore lefties. the challenge is to find what exact issues were where Romney alienated them and fix that next time.

Not to mirror the shallow Dem post-2004 but part of it really is the image like you say, of not nominating someone who's easily portrayed as a country-club Republican. That doesn't mean nominate someone like Santorum obviously but we do need someone with a more populist appeal

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 04:38 AM (8HhF2)

453 WAGOPinTX: "This is turning into a circus of sunny-day conservatives. Any '08 veterans: was it this bad four years ago?"

In a word... no. We knew a decent bit of Obama's history but his tangible record was pretty thin. It was Mr. "Present" afterall. We could understand a naive electorate at the time due to the MFM embargoes. This time there's simply no excuse. Obama and the Progressives have an abominable record and, yet, here we are.

The situation is much worse, our problems deeper.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 04:38 AM (eHIJJ)

454 "The house means somewhere between jack and shit in the long run."

Let's see Dickhead get another Stimulus or his vaunted "jobs bill" through that "jack shit" House.

His shit is dead on arrival there. Period. And without both bodies, he doesn't get "jack shit" done.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:38 AM (5NUzI)

455 Eh, alchemist...

I would say just don't, fucking DON'T even entertain rape baby questions.

Even if you style yourself some sort of St. Fucking Aquinas!

How HARD is this?

I am running for Senate. I am a dude running as a Republican. A reporter is asking me about rape babies which is by definition a "gotcha" question.

Now is the WORST possible time to share my "insights".

Gawd!

How terrible must you be to let McCaskill get re-elected?

Universally unpopular in your home state and widely believed to be corrupt even by your own partisan...

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 04:39 AM (QG3g9)

456 I like Llarry's optimism.

I've always been disappointed in our candidates' understanding of conservative philosophy. But we're not going to get a Thomas Sowell elected.

I think our best bet is to jettison some aspects of So-Con and go libertarian on a few things (NOT abortion).

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 04:39 AM (b1iOR)

457 430
"Romney lost because he wasn't able to convince people that he was a better alternative."



Bullshit. He lost because Obama made him out to be a boogeyman, and the media was more than happy to help him along.



Every media outfit in the US, save Fox News, should be boycotted by
conservatives. Launch boycotts against companies that advertise,
especially on NBC and ABC.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (5NUzI)

This plus elventy billion!

Stop and think for one minute how the last 5 years or so would look if we had a Press and Media that was even SOMEWHAT objective.
The non-stop promotion, protection and cheer leading of the so-called "Fourth Estate" is worth millions of votes to the JEF and all those that follow in his wake.
If every gaffe, stumble, "uh" and outright bullshit lie was followed up as it was done with Bush, the Alleged Hawaiian wouldn't have gotten past the 2008 primary. Anyone that took a solid hour and researched Obama outside of MSM sources and stories, would have had alarms ringing in their heads.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 04:39 AM (pR0/y)

458 "Fuck off!"

And good morning to you too? I guess verbal ejaculations can be a detox method too.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:39 AM (fXInK)

459 The electorate narrowly rejected Romney the man, not conservative ideology.

The problem is, Romney is one of the best exemplars as a "man" of that conservative ideology.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 04:40 AM (tUcg9)

460 "Yes, I'm aware it didn't happen. My point is that the only reason Romney lost is because he was falsely defined."

Which is why we need to bring down the media in this country. Let's get Adelson or the Koch brothers to BUY NBC or ABC and turn it into a family-friendly (i.e., conservative) network, with reporters who report and aren't cheerleaders for Obama.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:40 AM (5NUzI)

461 455

they need to emphasize the realize the severity of the situation, and then point out that hard cases are not a good argument for the type of abortion regime we have in this country, which is looser than even several European countries

I mean Ryan officially has the same position on abortion as Akin as far as no exceptions, he's just not a dumbass about it.

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 04:41 AM (8HhF2)

462 "Stop and think for one minute how the last 5 years or so would look if we had a Press and Media that was even SOMEWHAT objective."

But we don't. They don't care about flyover country; they care about NY and Los Angeles and liberal "feel-good" stories, while making anyone to the right of Mao as some twisted nut.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:42 AM (5NUzI)

463 Let's see Dickhead get another Stimulus or his vaunted "jobs bill" through that "jack shit" House.


His shit is dead on arrival there. Period. And without both bodies, he doesn't get "jack shit" done.

Yep. Chauncey Gardner ain't getting shit done in the next two years, and unless the GOP fucks up royally (which they may!) an incumbent president almost always gets killed in his sixth year midterm. It sucks we don't get to undo any of the damage he did in his first term but at least he's not going to be able to make things a whole lot worse.

Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 04:43 AM (/2nEx)

464 >>>454 "The house means somewhere between jack and shit in the long run." Let's see Dickhead get another Stimulus or his vaunted "jobs bill" through that "jack shit" House. His shit is dead on arrival there. Period. And without both bodies, he doesn't get "jack shit" done.

If you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare.

Look, I get the whole 'WE KEPT THE HOUSE!!!' rah-rah boosterism, but this was a defeat. We lost. And we lost when everything should've gone our way given common sense and understood American values.

The House doesn't amount to fuck-all with Supreme Court appointments and a President that thinks 'checks and balances' and the constitution are overrated.

Wow, Sheriff John 'STEEL SPINE' Boehner's gonna stop MORE socialism from coming down the pike. We won!!!

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 04:44 AM (JycCV)

465 The American people are evidently too fucking stupid to live. We deserve the shitstorm coming our way.

Posted by: fnord at November 07, 2012 04:44 AM (Hsgnv)

466 Seriously, I want to get the hell out of NY and never look back.

It took a while to accomplish it, and I took a beating, but I divested myself from the last vestiges of any real estate holding in NY recently. The time to get out is now while you can still maybe salvage $.30 on a dollar.

NY will continue to shed population/business as the perma-recession grinds on, and collapsing tax bases drive tax rates ever high. They've been in that death spiral for a few years now. There is no politically attainable way out.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 04:45 AM (HDTVy)

467 "His shit is dead on arrival there. Period. And without both bodies, he doesn't get "jack shit" done."

I'd be tempted to let him get some of his shit done, simply because it will be a net negative on him. For instance, forget saving the Bush tax cuts... let 'em all slide.

The media will blame the Republicans anyway, so why not let Obama do some of what he wants?

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 04:45 AM (b1iOR)

468 So the argument I'm hearing is that the media carried Obama across the line...barely. Like they try to do with every Democratic candidate ever.

But this time is different? Color me skeptical. They happen to have brought forward an easily-carried candidate for two elections. Look at that bench (remember how we all laughed at the nobodies at their convention) and tell me they can pull Mayor Castro or Elizabeth Warren across the line in a national race with a straight face.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:46 AM (fXInK)

469 Not to mirror the shallow Dem post-2004 but part of it really is the image like you say, of not nominating someone who's easily portrayed as a country-club Republican. That doesn't mean nominate someone like Santorum obviously but we do need someone with a more populist appeal
Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 04:38 AM (8HhF2)


Allen West. 2016. Pass the word.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 04:46 AM (jts1f)

470 I like Llarry's optimism.

It's based on reality.

If everything we've ever believed in is now dead, why did the same voters strengthen the Republican House majority and elect thirty Republican governors? Can someone please answer that?

People voted to retain Obama out of ignorance. In less than two years they're going to be squealing like stuck pigs when everything they don't know about yet bites them in the ass.

Romney--as thoroughly as he was trashed by the Dems and the media--got within one percentage point of Obama.

If everything we believe in is now dead, how did that happen?

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:46 AM (SI/pw)

471 I am headed off to the woods politically. I am deleting all of my bookmarks of political sites, and going quiet. No more news or reading the newspaper.

If shit happens, I won't care about it.

America died tonight, folks. And I think I died along with it. This is not the country I was taught to love and respect. It has become a rat-infested shithole run by a Marxist Muslim sympathizer. And people voted for him TWICE.

I need some time to recover. All of you - stay well and safe. This is not a good country any more. There is nothing to be proud about being an American.

Good night.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:46 AM (5NUzI)

472 "Wow, Sheriff John 'STEEL SPINE' Boehner's gonna stop MORE socialism from coming down the pike. We won!!!"

But no one is arguing we won, just arguing that the suicide pacts are premature and silly.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:47 AM (fXInK)

473 461

Exactly. Ryan's not a dumbass so he would know how to handle the question if someone asked him about it.

So since this question seems to be one that traps dumbasses we should make a point to ask it of our candidates ourselves during primary season. Akin gets that question a couple months earlier before the primary and says what he says then as of right now Claire McCaskill would no longer be a senator. That is an appealing thought.

Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 04:47 AM (/2nEx)

474 Two Democrats walk into a BAR. They sue the owner because there wasn't a ramp. The end.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 04:47 AM (YxaXw)

475 btw the panel of bimbos they have on FOX are awful

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 04:48 AM (8HhF2)

476 >>> I like Llarry's optimism.

"It's based on reality."

No. Not really.

But if it makes you feel better for the next 4 years until you have a shitty night for 3 hours, and then swing back to the sweet narcotic of optimism, I suppose it's worth it.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:48 AM (SKX2R)

477 If there was a thumbs-up function on Llarry's posts I'd use it. I wouldn't even call it optimism. Just non-defeatism. Adult behavior.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:48 AM (fXInK)

478 454
"The house means somewhere between jack and shit in the long run."



Let's see Dickhead get another Stimulus or his vaunted "jobs bill" through that "jack shit" House.



His shit is dead on arrival there. Period. And without both bodies, he doesn't get "jack shit" done.

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:38 AM (5NUzI)


I have two words for you... "Executive Order".
Or how about another two... "The Bureaucracy".
Obama doesn't give one flying rat-fuck about "checks and balances" or "Constitutional limits". He doesn't give 2 shits about "the law" either. He's a Chicago Thug raised as a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist and now he has 4 years to wreak whatever vengeance he chooses on a beaten country teetering on the brink of the Abyss.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 04:48 AM (pR0/y)

479 @425

Well said, lael.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 04:49 AM (QG3g9)

480
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:33 AM (fXInK)


If you think you're some wise-sage-type, I gotta say, I'm not listening.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 04:49 AM (y2Ojs)

481 "If you think you're some wise-sage-type, I gotta say, I'm not listening."

???

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:50 AM (fXInK)

482 >>>>472 But no one is arguing we won, just arguing that the suicide pacts are premature and silly.

You're right. I'm out of booze. We're all on the same team here, so this is how I see it;

We need to address to the two biggest factors in Obama's reelection the Senate losses.

1) The Mainstream Fluffer Media
2) A culture that now thinks free shit is awesome.

I get the cheerleading for the House. I just don't think it should detract from the fact that this is a loss and we need to attack those two issues immediately.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 04:51 AM (JycCV)

483 In retrospect, it would've been a helluva lot better for the country if Bush 43 had been a one-termer. Then the financial collapse would've happened on Kerry's watch which would've guaranteed a Republican President in 2008. This Republican (presumably) would've pursued Republican economic policy which would've brought the economy roaring back guaranteeing reelection in 2012 with a sterling bench ready to run in 2016. I could've definitely put up with 4 years of John Kerry to save me from 8 years of Obama.

Also, I always hear this from the smartest guys in the room:
"The Republicans simply must reach out to Hispanics!" Yeah no shit. Unfortunately
they're always at a loss when it comes to HOW exactly we do that without
sacrificing core principles. The American people have proven they love them some style over substance, so I say we reach out to Hispanics and women by putting nothing but on the national ticket. Rubio-Haley 2016!!!

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 04:51 AM (tDieS)

484 I am about to polish off my third bottle of wine this evening but I am not as down in my cups as friend Anson. I wish you a swift recovery from your PTSD and a quick return to the fight for truth, justice, and the American way!

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 04:51 AM (jts1f)

485 We lost. And we lost when everything should've gone our way given common sense and understood American values.



The House doesn't amount to fuck-all with Supreme Court appointments
and a President that thinks 'checks and balances' and the constitution
are overrated.


You're talking past the people who are trying to get you to see that what happened tonight was not an informed choice to embrace statism.

Everything you're saying is true, but the average schlub voter doesn't think about Supreme Court nominees. The average voter doesn't know that Obama is violating the Constitution at every turn.

Part of the blame has to lie with Republicans for not screaming it from the rooftops. The average voter is stupid and blind, not a newly minted socialist.

The job at hand is to get more information out and elect people who can defend themselves effectively against false charges. Romney let Obama define him. That was a fatal mistake.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:52 AM (SI/pw)

486 Llary's right in that humor is useful, laughing is good.

But will America become a freer, capitalist nation?

Don't know about that.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:52 AM (SKX2R)

487 off!Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 04:36 AM (YDXSQ)lololol...Soona's the best!

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 04:52 AM (y2Ojs)

488 437

Did you ever think that maybe the American people prefer Republican governors with the option to suck at the teat of the feds?

There's a major difference between pure federalism advocates like Perry and guys like Christie, who claim to cut budgets but, in reality, use federal funds to disguise their fuzzy math?

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 04:52 AM (w4fEE)

489 429

First, this isn't an enemy from outside wherein people of common beliefs unified to defeat "the other." The Other is us. We have an existential threat from within and it is those who would embrace socialism/Marxism and destroy that which made America. That threat isn't some imaginary, small faction to be sloughed off.

THIS !

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 04:53 AM (cSD32)

490 Demographics. It's about that.

And that ain't improving.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:54 AM (SKX2R)

491 I think someone on one of the other threads had it right:

"It's got electrolytes!"

Truly, that is the point we've reached in the history of our great nation.

Hard to stir the humour part when the gut still hurts, but thanks for the attempts

Posted by: Linlithgow at November 07, 2012 04:54 AM (Gim9y)

492 AP calls it for Michale Bachmann.

A crazy mother came up to the AP reporter and told her that the challenger got a vaccine that made him/her a retarded slut

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 04:55 AM (w4fEE)

493 I'm at a crucial crossroads: Do I attack the remainder of my booze at this late hour, or leave it --despite that it would not be enough for another night's drinking?

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 04:55 AM (jKE+Z)

494 478

I get you're depressed but don't lose sight of reality. Yeah Jug Ears can issue Executive Orders but he can't do an end run around Congress and just write law with them. SCOTUS kicked that in the crotch back when Truman tried to do it and besides, if Congress really doesn't want to do something it has a way of not happening no matter what the president says. You want proof? Bam issued an Executive Order closing Gitmo on his third day in office. It's still open.

Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 04:55 AM (/2nEx)

495 But if it makes you feel better for the next 4 years until you have a shitty night for 3 hours, and then swing back to the sweet narcotic of optimism, I suppose it's worth it. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:48 AM (SKX2R)

On another thread, I acknowledged you were right about the numbers and that I was wrong and that perhaps you were not really a concern troll after all, but the comment above demonstrates that you really are. Optimism is not a crime, unchecked it will lead one astray, but the same can be said of pessimism.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 04:55 AM (jts1f)

496 "It's based on reality."



No. Not really.



But if it makes you feel better for the next 4 years until you have a
shitty night for 3 hours, and then swing back to the sweet narcotic of
optimism, I suppose it's worth it.


I notice you and the rest of the self-indulgent "We're DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!" drama queens are unable to answer my two questions:

1. If we've embraced socialism and rejected core American values, why did we strengthen the GOP House majority?

2. If we've embraced socialism and rejected core American values, why did we elect the most GOP governors in history?

Simple questions that I've only asked about five times. A two-fisted realist like you ought to be able to deal with them.


Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:56 AM (SI/pw)

497 So it's time to harden up. Assets need to be protected, supplies put in. Investments diversified to other countries.
Things will muddle along, perhaps for quite a while, until an external shock happens. Then trouble will really start.
Humans have an unlimited capacity to screw themselves over. Our job now is to protect our families, both physically and financially. You also might want to make friends with some people in the heathcare industry. Doctors are going to get the short end of the stick in the next few years and the good ones will not be taking new patients.

Posted by: Peter at November 07, 2012 04:56 AM (KJjzd)

498 "1) The Mainstream Fluffer Media

2) A culture that now thinks free shit is awesome.



I get the cheerleading for the House. I just don't think it should
detract from the fact that this is a loss and we need to attack those
two issues immediately."

1. We've dealt with them for decades and decades, but yeah, concur. I feel as if we're making sloooow progress on this front with the expansion of alternate media, we should make it a point to vet our primaries of the gaaaaaffe-prone, and there's some things that could make it impossible them to sell an "improvement" bill of goods...

2. ...such as, if we were feeling vindictive, punting and letting taxes go up? The more I think about the short-term hurt that would do vs the long-term gain, the more I "like" it, but it seems like gaming with real people's lives. Free shit *is* awesome. Of course this free stuff isn't actually free; how do you convey that in meaningful actions vs just saying "this isn't free, ya know". The deficit hasn't won anybody any election on its own.

Concur on the need to immediately begin plotting the 2012-2014 roadmap.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:58 AM (fXInK)

499 If everything we believe in is now dead, how did that happen?

The voters were conservative in the bad way; they retained Obama because of familiarity, better the devil you know, that sort of reasoning.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 04:58 AM (b1iOR)

500 493 I'm at a crucial crossroads: Do I attack the remainder of my booze at this late hour, or leave it --despite that it would not be enough for another night's drinking? Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 04:55 AM (jKE+Z)

I faced that quandary about half an hour ago. I have but half a glass to go. I can then go to bed knowing that I did the thing right and that I will not even be tempted on the morrow. Bottoms up!

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 04:58 AM (jts1f)

501 Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:46 AM (5NUzI)

Take care. I'm probably going to pull the plug on virtually all the political sites and say "fuck it".


I became politically "aware" after 9/11 and since 2008 have become pretty much a political/information junky. Tonight just has pounded the shit out me. It's all going to go straight to Hell at warp speed from now until at least 2014 and even if we manage to get some more "R's" elected I doubt it will amount to anything more than trying to stop a loaded freight train by putting your hand out the window and hoping the extra drag will help.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 04:58 AM (pR0/y)

502 The House doesn't amount to fuck-all with Supreme Court appointments and
a President that thinks 'checks and balances' and the constitution are
overrated.


Obama has ruled by EO decree for the last two years and none of the constitutional mechanisms have stopped him. He's issued more EO's than any other past president.

Many of them are straight up dictatorship stuff like the Ralls wind farms EO

http://tinyurl.com/8wdz92j

There's no defensible explanation for how some Chinese owners of a wind farm could possibly be a national security issue, even if the freaking PLA were the book owners. The offered "credible evidence" was tissue thin and steeped in the "bad crazy" kind of paranoia.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 04:59 AM (HDTVy)

503 "In retrospect, it would've been a helluva lot better for the country if Bush 43 had been a one-termer."

I think this once a week, frankly.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 05:00 AM (fXInK)

504
Isn't there a MUCH simpler explaination?

If this was President Barry O'Bama the white Irishman, he'd be out on his ear.

He gets a free pass because he's the historic politically correct President, is all.

Posted by: AussieMarcus at November 07, 2012 05:00 AM (RstsB)

505 Did you ever think that maybe the American people prefer Republican governors with the option to suck at the teat of the feds?

There's
a major difference between pure federalism advocates like Perry and
guys like Christie, who claim to cut budgets but, in reality, use
federal funds to disguise their fuzzy math?


I have no idea what you just said. If people want governors who suck at the teats of the feds, nobody does it better than Democrats.

Why would they choose a Republican to do it when a Dem would get them even more goodies and would tax the shit out of the evil rich to boot?

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:01 AM (SI/pw)

506 I faced that quandary about half an hour ago. I have but half a glass to go. I can then go to bed knowing that I did the thing right and that I will not even be tempted on the morrow. Bottoms up!

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 04:58 AM (jts1f)

--Yup, that's my logic as well!

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 05:01 AM (jKE+Z)

507 >>> On another thread, I acknowledged you were right about the numbers and that I was wrong and that perhaps you were not really a concern troll after all, but the comment above demonstrates that you really are. Optimism is not a crime, unchecked it will lead one astray, but the same can be said of pessimism.

Click my username. Those are my thoughts on the subject.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:02 AM (SKX2R)

508 here is the real Barack Obama
see my blog

Posted by: Edward Cropper at November 07, 2012 05:02 AM (Lt3vg)

509 If Obama was melanin deficient, he would never have been a Presidential candidate.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:02 AM (b1iOR)

510 Which isn't to say I'm actually living up to all of them, but we just lost and I'm mourning.

Give me a break.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:02 AM (SKX2R)

511 Seriously, boycott all the major networks. Minus Fox, of course. It's not like leftists watch them anyway.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 05:04 AM (JycCV)

512 Hear, hear, El Kabong.

Buy used dvd sets for shows you haven't seen. Forget what's new. Just avoid giving these bastards a dime.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:06 AM (b1iOR)

513 I've decided that I'm going to refer to my liberal Facebook friends by Nazi party titles.

Such as:
Yes, Herr Ortsgruppenleiter, I'm sure in your Fancy Unicorn Land that makes sense.

That is not true, Herr Blockwart . The seas did not magically rise when Der Fuhrer was re-elected.


Posted by: Linlithgow at November 07, 2012 05:06 AM (Gim9y)

514 511 Seriously, boycott all the major networks. Minus Fox, of course. It's not like leftists watch them anyway.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 05:04 AM (JycCV)

--Hell yeah, I need to cancel my cable anyways.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 05:07 AM (jKE+Z)

515
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:56 AM (SI/pw)


Llarry...Llarry?...When a truly wonderful man such as Mitt Romney can be defeated by a truly utterable, SCOAMF then that should answer your question.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 05:08 AM (y2Ojs)

516 Well logprof,
If, as you say, there will not be enough booze to fuel another nights drinking if you save...

I say, make your liver hate you right now!

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 05:08 AM (QG3g9)

517 516 Well logprof,
If, as you say, there will not be enough booze to fuel another nights drinking if you save...

I say, make your liver hate you right now!

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 05:08 AM (QG3g9)

--So it is written; so it shall be done!

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 05:09 AM (jKE+Z)

518 If everything we believe in is now dead, how did that happen?

The
voters were conservative in the bad way; they retained Obama because of
familiarity, better the devil you know, that sort of reasoning.


That doesn't address the issue of why they elected more Republicans in the House and governorships.

They clearly stayed with Obama because they didn't trust Romney. They didn't trust him because they thought he'd betray them to "the rich," and they bought the lie that Obama hasn't been given a long enough time to "fix" the economy.

This election does not tell us that most Americans are now socialist moochers. All it tells us is that Romney didn't make the sale because Obama successfully defined him as the boogeyman.

The two GOP rape-senators lost because Aiken imploded and Mourdock was the target of a smear campaign by an embittered Lugar AND the Democrats, and then he made his own dumb comment to finish himself off.

If anything, this election tells us that the American public is scared shitless and doesn't want to take any more chances, which is why they voted for the status quo.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:10 AM (SI/pw)

519 Look at this particular EO -- this one is straight up "legislation via executive fiat". He takes an existing law and just makes it mean whatever he wants it to. The changes don't seem particularly undesirable either and probably would have passed both houses handily with little objection...but Obama just bypassed the legislative branch entirely and did it via diktat.

http://tinyurl.com/8vjawt4

America didn't go socialist, it went totalitarian. Someone like Obama becoming president was all the Soviets needed to win the cold war playing the long game they did.

There's gonna be a lot more of this executive "reinterpretation" of existing law these next 4 years.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 05:10 AM (HDTVy)

520 You can find any show you what on the internet 5 minutes or less after it aired. Download them onto a usb drive and watch them on your television.

Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 05:10 AM (C4dFv)

521
Take care. I'm probably going to pull the plug on virtually all the political sites and say "fuck it".

***

I
became politically "aware" after 9/11 and since 2008 have become pretty
much a political/information junky. Tonight just has pounded the shit
out me. It's all going to go straight to Hell at warp speed from now
until at least 2014 and even if we manage to get some more "R's" elected
I doubt it will amount to anything more than trying to stop a loaded
freight train by putting your hand out the window and hoping the extra
drag will help.

****

Ditto that. Game over. The USA had a great run but it's all down hill now and there is nothing to be done. The parasites have won. We'll be Greece before my fifth grader graduates high school.

Morons, it's been great fun but there is no point and so no upside. Time to do a little weeping for the future then, turn off the internet, start working out , buy gold, devise and implement a strategy to ride out what is coming.

Posted by: Now that you mention it at November 07, 2012 05:11 AM (u3N3z)

522 JDP: "That doesn't mean nominate someone like Santorum obviously but we do need someone with a more populist appeal."

Then I submit Sarah Palin. Most popular governor in the nation at the time. Female. Fought the system on both the Left and the Right (which was what made her popular). Self-supporting and self-made business woman. Mother. Charismatic. Military-loving patriot. Etc.

And she was more viciously attacked than any politician in my lifetime and, given the media complex, possibly the most attacked in American political history.

It doesn't matter who the "Right" selects. By definition, they are to be demonized as Emmanuel Goldstein reincarnate.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 05:11 AM (eHIJJ)

523 What's left to take comfort in? I guess its nice to know that there are still over 50 million who wanted to move past from this clown.

For those blaming Mitt, sorry but when you have media/hollywood in the corner of one party 24/7, it is tough to win on our side no matter who you are. I thought Mitt had a good campaign especially down the stretch.

I cant blame the media enough really. Anything our side says or does, if it is negative or can be twisted to be that way, the media runs with it. Hollywood runs with it. The fear tactics worked, because the media carried that message for the liberals.


Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 05:11 AM (Gr8DF)

524 Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:06 AM (b1iOR)

Cut the cord entirely.

Was on DirecTV for years, cable before that. Went Internet only in 2008. Saved me a bundle and have never missed it for a second. I watch what I want, when I want. No talking heads to feed me bullshit talking points disguised as "news". I am FAR better informed and knowledgeable than I ever was watching "appointment TV".

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 05:11 AM (pR0/y)

525 So the people want a everyone for themselves and take what you can get? Fine. Don't expect to get it from me

Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 05:12 AM (xk0Xg)

526
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 04:59 AM (HDTVy)


Thank you @PurpAv...do you know Del Dolemonte?

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 05:12 AM (y2Ojs)

527 507 >>> On another thread, I acknowledged you were right about the numbers and that I was wrong and that perhaps you were not really a concern troll after all, but the comment above demonstrates that you really are. Optimism is not a crime, unchecked it will lead one astray, but the same can be said of pessimism. Click my username. Those are my thoughts on the subject. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:02 AM (SKX2R)

I read that post in a previous thread. Moreover, I am familiar with Admiral Stockdale, I remember that debate, and I admire the man and agree with the sentiment of realism portrayed in his anecdote.

Realism is the balance point between between optimism and pessimism. I admit to unfounded optimism (no easy thing for me) based on the belief that more than half of Americans believed as I did. I admit to being wrong, but unfounded pessimism is surely as dangerous a path as unfounded optimism.

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 05:12 AM (jts1f)

528 Another thing. There are a ton of people who vote, that have no business of voting because they truly have no clue as to what is what. Ive heard several people say, they dont know much but "Romney is sooo wealthy and will just help the wealthy". Who do you think helped push that message? The media. These are people who hardly pay attention but they sure heard just enough here or there from the media about how evil RICH Mitt Romney.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 05:13 AM (Gr8DF)

529 Did I mention that I suspect one of the big reasons Romney lost is a lot of Christians probably stayed home rather than vote for a Mormon?

I'd love to see the numbers on that.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:13 AM (SKX2R)

530 Yeah, I'm not giving my money to lefty millionaires to insult me.

Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 05:13 AM (C4dFv)

531 @373 I'm not asking for anyone to feel bad for me, but are there any folk here from Texas or Tennesse who can suggest some cities/towns in either of these to states to start my life over in? Seriously, I want to get the hell out of NY and never look back.
Posted by: Chalky

Houston or San Antonio are fine - big sprawls, though. Austin is a dark blue hippie cesspool, but outlying areas are nicer. College Station is a good smaller town - home of Texas A&M, low cost of living. The Dallas area has lots of nice communities.

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at November 07, 2012 05:14 AM (BZjb6)

532 "It doesn't matter who the "Right" selects. By definition, they are to be demonized as Emmanuel Goldstein reincarnate."

OK, but Bush was smeared in (arguably, though maybe splitting hairs) worse terms than Romney. He obviously cut through the demonization enough.

i know demographics have shifted blah blah (lost track of how many times this was repeated on radio tonight) but I'd guess there are people we can nominate who will not be easily smeared as Mr. Burns in the way Romney was.

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 05:15 AM (8HhF2)

533 Sooo.
We are obviously a bunch of ignorant grasping fools but are we officially NOT RACIST now?

Asking you, MSM!

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 05:15 AM (QG3g9)

534 The only shows we watch are old shit on DVD, which we buy used.

The internet has been my news source since 2003 or so.--- Probably led me to have some unrealistic expectations for this election. Ace's optimism was unbounded and contagious.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:15 AM (b1iOR)

535 Llarry...Llarry?...When a truly wonderful man such as Mitt Romney can be
defeated by a truly utterable, SCOAMF then that should answer your
question.


No. By the end of the campaign Romney had erased the likeability advantage Obama had, despite the media painting Romney as a ruthless, cold-hearted predator.

The country NARROWLY rejected Romney because they didn't quite trust him. The voters liked Romney, but Obama's seeds of doubt about what he'd do made people stick with Obama.

Since most of us still blame Bush for the bad economy, most of us thought we need to give Obama more time.

Most of us are uninformed dolts but not socialists. This election wasn't a repudiation of American values. It was a repudiation of only a handful of individual politicians.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:15 AM (SI/pw)

536 >>> Realism is the balance point between between optimism and pessimism. I admit to unfounded optimism (no easy thing for me) based on the belief that more than half of Americans believed as I did. I admit to being wrong, but unfounded pessimism is surely as dangerous a path as unfounded optimism.

The funny thing, Grumpy the Younger, is you say you admit I was right in the numbers.

But I was not!

I was overoptimistic. Again.

Just like the last 3 elections.

In '06 I was so much so that I was part of the braying heard calling everyone Eeyores. In '08 and 10, I was the one being called the worst of the Eeyores and a Democrat.

lol

But I was actually a Pollyanna in both elections. Just less so.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:16 AM (SKX2R)

537 Houston or San Antonio are fine - big sprawls, though. Austin is a dark blue hippie cesspool, but outlying areas are nicer. College Station is a good smaller town - home of Texas A&M, low cost of living. The Dallas area has lots of nice communities.

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at November 07, 2012 05:14 AM (BZjb6)

--Mesquite or Balch Springs TX are not bad.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 05:17 AM (jKE+Z)

538 If anything, this election tells us that the American public is scared
shitless and doesn't want to take any more chances, which is why they
voted for the status quo.

Not that strong of a disagreement there, more a matter of emphasis, Llarry.

You should be a cob-logger here. The site could really use your pith and cheerfulness these coming weeks.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:17 AM (b1iOR)

539
If everything we've ever believed in is now dead, why did the same voters strengthen the Republican House majority...
Posted by: Llarry




Because:

The "strengthen" is minor. Net +1 last I checked with a handful of races still out. Damned near at the level of random noise.

And

We just had a reapportionment, and with Republicans in control of more states, they were able to protect their seats and expose Democrats.

It's not the level of rejection of Romney and the RSCC suffered, but it's hardly a resounding vote of confidence.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 05:18 AM (kdS6q)

540 533 Sooo. We are obviously a bunch of ignorant grasping fools but are we officially NOT RACIST now? Asking you, MSM! Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 05:15 AM (QG3g9)

Yeah! What she said!

Posted by: Zebbie, Jake, and Lazarus at November 07, 2012 05:19 AM (jts1f)

541 Oh and I bet you it will turn out that Romney would have won had a lot of evangelical Christians not sat home rather than vote for a Mormon.

Something which I predicted early in the nomination process, probably in the '08 election as well, but had largely put out of my mind, trusting that Christians had gotten over than and that he was so obviously a good candidate it wouldn't matter.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:19 AM (SKX2R)

542
Consumption without production is very appealing to a lot of folk. Trying tofight that is like trying to win a100 yard dash when you're the only racer racing uphill and wearing ankle weights.

Problem is when the producers are constantlyberated that they are not paying their fair share when they are the only ones paying any share, they'll stoptrying so hard and stop investing when they take all of the downside risk andless and lessof the upside reward.
Let's refer to SCOAMF as President Fluke as it was Sandy that helped get him in, and a fluke that it happened a week before the election.

Posted by: hoss at November 07, 2012 05:21 AM (Gk/35)

543 What proof is available that so many evangelicals stayed home?

It would've taken quite a few and spread over many states for this to be true.

This is a smear by the atheist media to drive wedges between republicans. without some manner of determining who stayed home and why, you could make up any reason for any group that you want and no one would be likely to prove otherwise.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 05:22 AM (SP4jC)

544 It doesn't matter who the "Right" selects. By definition, they are to be demonized as Emmanuel Goldstein reincarnate.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 05:11 AM (eHIJJ)


If I see the day when every damned MFM reporter is in the gutter begging for change, I will be one happy motherfucker.

I won't throw them any change, either.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 05:23 AM (bxiXv)

545 Tom Waits "Down In The Hole":

http://youtu.be/1wZZu93VsNA

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 05:23 AM (jKE+Z)

546
Since most of us still blame Bush for the bad economy, most of us thought we need to give Obama more time.



Then you are an idiot. Bush cannot be blamed for today's economy....The Dem Congress and Obama blew it. And actually Obama's Senatorial Congress along with Dodd/Frank, Pelosi, etal thoroughly own it.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 05:23 AM (y2Ojs)

547 Ben Smith article byline on "Welcome to Liberal America:"

"Barack Obama, gay marriage, weed, and a new focus on climate change"

and how the GOP of course needs to adapt

i swear to God I am gonna go nuts with this type of crap over the next weeks. It's not that there's no truth to it, but this idea that Romney would've won if only he'd been OK with gay weddings and choom is so very stupid

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 05:24 AM (8HhF2)

548 From this moment forward, stop communicating with all liberals, if you were inclined to do so before. They probably didn't hear you before but they will definitely won't bother with the pretense of listening to you now. There's no point anymore.

Last night we reached the fork in the road and as a nation we just took the left fork down a very steep slope and we're never coming back.

So tell hope to f*ck off. Not Obama's false, parasitic "Hope" but the real thing that died last night. It's gone.

Posted by: Inspiring thought for the morning at November 07, 2012 05:24 AM (mV5Rx)

549 You should be a cob-logger here. The site could really use your pith and cheerfulness these coming weeks.

Thanks very much. I just feel bad for the people who think this is the end of everything.

It's not. It's a big defeat, but in the legal world they make a distinction between premeditated first-degree murder and manslaughter.

The electorate didn't commit premeditated first-degree murder on America. What they did was the equivalent of what that mother did with her toddler at that zoo. She stood him on the handrail overlooking the pen of wild African dogs, and he fell in and was killed.

She made a stupid decision out of ignorance and carelessness. The end result was the death of the child, but everyone here sees the difference between her and Ottis Toole, the "man" who murdered Adam Walsh.

Right?

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:25 AM (SI/pw)

550 Thank you @PurpAv...do you know Del Dolemonte?

Nope.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 05:26 AM (HDTVy)

551 During all the hoofrah, we all missed something very important with an impact in 4 years that is likely to be fatal to any chance of recovery from the Dems.

Puerto Rico has voted to pursue the path of statehood. Obama has already signed off on this and I would expect that the Republicans will also. Even though it will mean a further 2 democrat senators in the Senate the likelihood that part of it's admission will be the introduction of some sort of direct representation for DC.

This means that Democrats will have 4 extra votes in the Senate and the Republicans will never regain power in my lifetime and perhaps yours.

The final straw I think.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 05:26 AM (SP4jC)

552 Mitt made me a little nervous based on his political history and, er, "changes" throughout the years. However, like GWB, I had no doubts that he is a good man and truly does love this country.

Ryan was a kick-ass choice from the get go, never a moment's doubt about his history, intentions or abilities.

Unlike 2008 when I voted for Sarah and there was that other guy on the ticket with her along for the ride, I had no qualms about either of the "R's".

As pointed out by many others on this thread, The Media, it its present form needs to be utterly destroyed. Annihilated, wiped from the face of the Earth. Its function is to be pain-in-the-ass to the Government, to probe, ask questions, get answers. Now it's nothing more than the wholly owned propaganda ministry of the Democrat/Socialist/Communist Party.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 05:26 AM (pR0/y)

553 llary 518

They clearly stayed with Obama because they didn't trust Romney. They didn't trust him because they thought he'd betray them to "the rich," and they bought the lie that Obama hasn't been given a long enough time to "fix" the economy.

This election does not tell us that most Americans are now socialist moochers. All it tells us is that Romney didn't make the sale because Obama successfully defined him as the boogeyman.


( Which could not be done if they were actually conservatives who research candidates on their own and would not have bought such gross lies. Also any actual conservative knows what Obama is, they know he wants to remake America, in his own image. So that means at least 51 percent of the electorate are NOT conservatives, at least not ones that can discern and judge character. As to why did they then elect more Governors and or Congress Critters? Won't know until you drill down into the numbers, but being so many are low information voters, then probably whoever had the most name recognition won. Obama care cannot be repealed now, we are now officially a socialist nation with some trappings of a Republic. Ask Arizona or other states that have been sued by the Fed if they think Fedralism is alive and well. )

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 05:26 AM (cSD32)

554 I also don't get the "new focus on climate change" in that article considering it was never talked about

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 05:26 AM (8HhF2)

555 how is this different than 2008?

1. $1+ trillion annual deficit, which can't be pared back even though the GOP theoretically holds the purse strings in the house
2. Obamacare
3. 8 million additional people collecting disability for life creating a permanent, young Democratic voting base
4. Presinit who has demonstrated the willingness to work beyond the law, issue EO's to work around Constitutional checks and balances... and willing to penalize his enemies without fear of retribution from the Senate or:
5. A 4th estate that has become a 100% fifth column for the state
6. An all out attack on the producers of the country, which has driven new-business formations to the lowest absolute level in generations
7. An Iran with 4 additional years under its nuclear development program
8. An Islamist world ready to fully extinguish modern and free society

In 2008 I was afraid that I might have to relive the Carter years of my youth... After 4 years of reliving it, I KNOW that not only will it not stop, we've re-elected someone who wants to make it worse

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 05:26 AM (MAhUT)

556 538 If anything, this election tells us that the American public is scared
shitless and doesn't want to take any more chances, which is why they
voted for the status quo.


I want to agree with that, but I can't.

At least, not fully.

I think too much of the populace is simply too stupid to know better.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 05:26 AM (HKONC)

557 They said "wait til after the election"

It's after the election.

Now lets take the legs out from under this bull shit with some heavy duty investigations and get this mother fucker thrown out of office.

Posted by: Hostilian at November 07, 2012 05:27 AM (/2SoI)

558 I don't actually have proof that evangelicals stayed home.

The reason I'm saying that is it's what I predicted would happen if Romney got the nomination, and one of the big reasons I argued against him in favor of Newt. Which isn't to say I don't think he ran a great campaign, because I do, and I came to love him.

I'm asking the question because since I thought about it in advance, I can hardly fail to be curious about if it actually came through.

Plus, the results.

Plus, comments like this:

>>> That's what I heard a few months ago from a friend of mine who had his ear to the GOP pollsters' inside view: Romney still had a very serious Mormon Problem with evangelical voters, even though the "Mormon thing" had faded from mainstream attention. I don't know for sure if that was borne out last night though.

http://goo.gl/KetgD

Now I don't know anything about the commenter who wrote that. But it sounds plausible and just so happens to be what I oft predicted and got slammed for saying.

So I got to seriously wonder, right?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:27 AM (SKX2R)

559 Yeah,
I don't get blaming the Evangelicals.
Based on what evidence?
Strikes me as entirely unfair.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 05:28 AM (QG3g9)

560 At least we still have December 21st to look forward to.

Posted by: Msjake at November 07, 2012 05:29 AM (11Alp)

561 Since most of us still blame Bush for the bad economy, most of us thought we need to give Obama more time.

Then you are an idiot. Bush cannot be blamed for today's economy....The
Dem Congress and Obama blew it. And actually Obama's Senatorial Congress
along with Dodd/Frank, Pelosi, etal thoroughly own it.


I don't blame Bush myself. I'm explaining the decision of the stupid, uniformed, easily manipulated electorate.

For some reason a lot of you seem to want to believe that everything you ever loved is now dead.

Fine. Go ahead. I'm not one of you. I'm just explaining why I think you're wrong. I could call you an idiot for misinterpreting the real reason why this happened, but I assume you're just so upset you're not thinking clearly.

This is a time when everyone should think clearly. You can give up and go eat worms. I'm not going to.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:30 AM (SI/pw)

562 "It was a repudiation of only a handful of individual politicians.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:15 AM (SI/pw) "



With the net effect of repudiating America's values.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:30 AM (uD2fR)

563 At least we still have December 21st to look forward to.

Posted by: Msjake at November 07, 2012 05:29 AM (11Alp)
Mayan Calendar meets SMOD

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 05:30 AM (MAhUT)

564 All the Evangelicals I know hated the SCOAMF more than they hate the Mormon thing. I just don't see them sitting this one out.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 05:30 AM (20NzC)

565 Look, in the end Mitt was an outstanding candidate and just an all around great guy. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter who we nominate, by the time NBC, ABC, CBS, SNL, et al get through with them they look like a drug crazed pedophile. That's why I think the debates have become so crucial for the Republican candidate. One on one. No filter. Oh sure you have to deal with biased moderators but you still get your time to speak directly to the people. Romney almost negated $100 million of ads doing just that. As long as the Republicans nominate solid debaters and put at least one Hispanic in the Pres or Veep spot we'll be fine.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 05:31 AM (tDieS)

566 Like some others here-- I think I'm going into political hibernation for a while.

It's just too depressing.

But at some point, somewhere-- maybe at Ace of Spades, because this is probably one of the few political sites I might make an exception for in the days to come--

we have to come to terms with what Obamacare, entrenched as permanent law, means.

I don't know-- I don't think *anyone* in this country knows-- exactly what Obamacare entails.

This is one of the things my election night drunkenness is meant to numb out. But it's one of the things I care most about. At some point-- ideally on Ace of Spades-- I'd like as straightforward as possible (I know that's difficult with such a fucked-up monster of legislation) summary/ representation of what American healthcare, henceforth, will be tranformed into-- what American healthcare, my and my loved ones' healthcare, will be like.

A fundamental change. A change that will affect our experience in dealing with our own mortality.

Obamacare is a permanent fact of life, now. Is it not? Please let me (and Americans in generals) know what that will mean in the years and decades to come. My guess is many Obama voters will be educated very belatedly.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 05:32 AM (tUcg9)

567 weft cut-loop - I'm just trying to process this loss. I usually post to dead threads, so I'm not used to anyone responding to me and I'm not sure what I said to get on your bad side?

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 05:33 AM (uMfFZ)

568 >>> I don't get blaming the Evangelicals.
>>> Based on what evidence?
>>> Strikes me as entirely unfair.

It would be unfair to "blame" the evangelicals.

It's not unfair to try to get a good analysis of the polling internals, including internal polls, and find out. I could see why the Romney campaign wouldn't release them.

It's something I predicted would happen, but thought Romney had overcome. Now, with Romney's alleged missing votes and the comment I linked to above, I'm not at all sure.

I'm a fairly bright person. I see patterns. That's the pattern I see.

My phrasing it that way will get me mocked, but it doesn't mean it isn't so. It's a reasonable hypothesis.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:34 AM (SKX2R)

569
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:30 AM (SI/pw)Oh Llarry you're so above us all.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 05:35 AM (y2Ojs)

570 This election does not tell us that most Americans are now socialist
moochers. All it tells us is that Romney didn't make the sale because
Obama successfully defined him as the boogeyman.




( Which could not be done if they were actually conservatives who
research candidates on their own and would not have bought such gross
lies. Also any actual conservative knows what Obama is, they know he
wants to remake America, in his own image. So that means at least 51
percent of the electorate are NOT conservatives, at least not ones that
can discern and judge character


There are plenty of ignorant conservatives. Listen to the callers on any radio talk show.

Again, you're agreeing with me that many of the voters chose Obama out of ignorance. That's my only point.

I'm trying to stave of the notion that we're now a far-left country, but you seem to want to believe that. Fine. I reject that conclusion.


Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:36 AM (SI/pw)

571 This train was heading for a cliff anyway, Better the Kenyan at the wheel when it goes over, than one of ours.

Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 05:36 AM (dQ/Oc)

572 This is a time when everyone should think clearly. You can give up and go eat worms. I'm not going to.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:30 AM (SI/pw)


I applaud your pluck. I am still soaking in the view. I just need to get hammered tomorrow (oops, today) and let it all go for a few days.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 05:37 AM (HKONC)

573 >>> All the Evangelicals I know hated the SCOAMF more than they hate the Mormon thing. I just don't see them sitting this one out.

I know many Christians would have crawled over broken glass to vote against Obama and for Romney, and I suspect Romney won the majority of the evangelical vote.

My question, though, is did he lose a sizeable enough minority of it to have cost him the election.

And then some.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:37 AM (SKX2R)

574 Oh Llarry you're so above us all.

Yes, trying to mitigate the horror you feel makes me all superior 'n junk.

What an awful thing for me to do! I apologize.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:38 AM (SI/pw)

575 Don't get angry... get even.

NO...get AHEAD

Posted by: Dix Handley at November 07, 2012 05:39 AM (gKuGC)

576
I also don't get the "new focus on climate change" in that article considering it was never talked about


Obama has been methodically regulating the coal industry out of business. In another 4 years, it'll be pretty much dead...and along with that will come power rationing since no nuke plants are being built to take up the slack as old coal ones are forced to shutdown.

Towards the end of Obama's next 4 years, I'd expect power rationing in some areas.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 05:39 AM (HDTVy)

577 Llarry how old are you?

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 07, 2012 05:39 AM (+VMZ0)

578 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:34 AM (SKX2R)

I think it's probably safer to say it was conservatives just disenfranchised with Romney andconservative leaning libertarians. I've seen and heard too many staunch conservatives disgusted by the fact that we ended up nominating Romney and too many independents/libertarians disgusted with the two-party system to relegate them to a small minority.

I just can't buy the Evangelical argument.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:40 AM (uD2fR)

579 I don't know-- I don't think *anyone* in this country knows-- exactly what Obamacare entails.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 05:32 AM (tUcg9)


There is no upper limit. I remember when the second chart came out from CBO numbers, the analysis said there wasn't an outside limit on the growth of government (departments, personnel, regulatory authority) entailed in the language of the bill.

We're just beginning to see what that means.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 05:40 AM (bxiXv)

580 I was not able to talk sense to one left leaning person the whole campaign. Its like they were on smack. Fuck it I'm done, time to hunker down.

Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 05:41 AM (dQ/Oc)

581 Oh!

It *is*possible to reach the end of drinking!

I feel terrible.

Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 05:41 AM (QG3g9)

582 With the net effect of repudiating America's values.

Yes, I know. But not deliberately on the part of the people who did it.

Most Obama voters are going to be screaming bloody murder in about two years. They just don't know it yet.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:41 AM (SI/pw)

583 571 This train was heading for a cliff anyway, Better the Kenyan at the wheel when it goes over, than one of ours.
Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 05:36 AM (dQ/Oc)


Heh.....I have thought the same thing. Just too bewildered to express it coherently.

It's coming and all a Mitt Romney could have done is, possibly, soften the blow and start a responsible fiscal path to make it last as short as possible. Now that that hope is gone, I'll just watch the chips fall and keep reducing my consumption as much as possible.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 05:42 AM (HKONC)

584 >>> It *is*possible to reach the end of drinking!

Yeah, it's fucking terrible. I feel for you.

I'm wondering if I should switch to certain other central nervous system suppressants.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:42 AM (SKX2R)

585
Samwise Gamgee the 3rd: "I don't actually have proof that evangelicals stayed home."

I don't believe they did. You have to ask, "Between Obama and Romney, who is actually, on record, a more direct threat to religious freedom?" Do you actually think Evangelicals would say, "Romney"?

I was raised Southern Baptist. (I'm now Agnostic.) Most of my extended family remains SB/Protestant. I think they'd be considered "Evangelicals." I can guarantee you that none of them voted for Obama (unless they lied and pulled the lever contrary to their public statements).

No, that's yet another media narrative to split the conservative base. Evangelicals are the conservative base (among other factions). I simply don't believe they are to blame for low voter turnout from the Right.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 05:42 AM (eHIJJ)

586 Llarry how old are you?[/]

Fifty. But I look ten years younger.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:42 AM (SI/pw)

587 They have the demographics. We will never win again. Not until we figure out how to get some minorities and all the stupid contraception taking women on our side. I'm a women. Why they hell all you men like these stupid air heads is beyond me.

Posted by: Janetoo at November 07, 2012 05:43 AM (R+fMx)

588 571 This train was heading for a cliff anyway, Better the Kenyan at the wheel when it goes over, than one of ours. Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 05:36 AM (dQ/Oc)My stroke bound father predicted this long before Obama was elected. Sad but true.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 05:43 AM (y2Ojs)

589 A couple of things about Obama Care that will happen right away. First older doctors will retire earlier than anticipated, because their income will decrease and why bother working another 5 years? So first is a shortage of Doctors.

Second, fewer will become doctors because Obama Care will cut what is paid for procedures etc. Next in about 6 or 7 years end of life decisions will start to be made. First it will be denial of a Kidney or Liver transplant if you are say over 60 or so etc. Look to England to see the future of American Medicine. It gets worse from there. Palin was correct and was viciously mocked....death panels are coming folks, just they will call them something like "Quality Care Assessment Board."

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 05:44 AM (cSD32)

590 Greece is the word.

Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 05:44 AM (jQm+J)

591 jimi ray and dumbsam, the new Republican Party, metrosexuals down here with us redneck clingers to make weuns see the light.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 05:44 AM (nwHKt)

592 Well, 4 more years to make fun of Sherrif Joe, that's worth something right?

Posted by: Quiz1 at November 07, 2012 05:45 AM (HhX5h)

593 While I strongly disagree with the socons and think today's victories for marriage equality and marijuana legalization are evidence that the GOP's social conservative side needs to calm down if the party is to remain viable, I seriously doubt many of them stayed home because Mitt is LDS. That seems more of an unfair stereotype than anything else.

Oh, and even marriage equality isn't enough to make this gay guy happy with today's results. I doubt I will be able to sleep for days. This was a disaster. America voted for an incompetent, evil leftist at a key point in our history. I am filled with both sadness for this great nation and anger and hatred at the leftists. I don't think I will be talking to many of my friends ever again. Filled with rage at their stupidity.

Posted by: McDuck at November 07, 2012 05:45 AM (jr5Bn)

594 >>> I'm a women. Why they hell all you men like these stupid air heads is beyond me.

Wet va jay jays.

But honestly, I've been so utterly dismayed by most women these days that I've been appalled leading to disheartened.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:45 AM (SKX2R)

595 Fear tactics work, no matter that they are false, when the media/hollywood push them as fact (contraception, war on women, evil rich Romney, ect).

Had the media done their job, they would have been telling Americans how Obama has been the most divisive and arrogant in history. He has NOT been a leader in any way shape or form. Instead, they ran with every single Obama talking point and attack.


Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 05:48 AM (Gr8DF)

596 Yes, I know. But not deliberately on the part of the people who did it.
Most Obama voters are going to be screaming bloody murder in about two years. They just don't know it yet.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:41 AM (SI/pw)


I'm not going out on a limb when I say they going to be screaming at the wrong people - us. They choose to remain ignorant by continuing to validate the media's simple regurgitation of the admin's talking points. The admin will continue to blame Bush, the admin will continue to blame "Obstructionist Republicans" in the House, and the media will back them up, and most importantly - the electorate will buy it.

Their tactics have worked. They have achieved their results politically and electorally. You seem to be arguing against results, but maybe I'm reading you wrong because it's 5:30 am

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:48 AM (uD2fR)

597 Your answer surprises me Llarry, I thought sure you were a youngster. I asked because of the perspective of age. I don't think people under 30 would have a clue what we may have just lost. We have been boiling the frog for at least my adult life.

You do look young on the internet.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 07, 2012 05:48 AM (+VMZ0)

598 Did Chris Mattews really say last night that he was glad that the storm happened last week? Can you friggin imagine if someone on Fox or Rush said that? Itd be all over the news, and the person would lose their job.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 05:48 AM (Gr8DF)

599 The
electorate didn't commit premeditated first-degree murder on America.
What they did was the equivalent of what that mother did with her
toddler at that zoo. She stood him on the handrail overlooking the pen
of wild African dogs, and he fell in and was killed.

She made a
stupid decision out of ignorance and carelessness. The end result was
the death of the child, but everyone here sees the difference between
her and Ottis Toole, the "man" who murdered Adam Walsh.

Right?


Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:25 AM (SI/pw)



Agreed, but the kids are equally dead.

Llarry, I'm glad you're here. I've been up for 24 hours (worked as a judge of election yesterday, came home with a headache, couldn't sleep, was devastated by the final news)
and probably not thinking straight.

(And BTW, if anyone thinks Llarry is being "above it all," then don't ever read Mark Shea. He is of too pure and burnished a soul to vote for any but the perfect candidate, and then sits back and sneers at the results, whatever they are.)

Posted by: Anne B. at November 07, 2012 05:49 AM (f3owF)

600


Well, now that Benghazi will lead to SCOAMF's impeachment, let these words roll around in your mouth:



PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN


I am of course being sarcastic since Boehner is a thin Chris Christie

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 05:49 AM (XkWWK)

601 Honestly, leftists have charged headlong into self-destruction since at least Rousseau, at the cost of at least a hundred million dead (probably much more) and billions of lives damaged.

A significant percentage of people are mentally ill (call it a learning disability if you want to be nice) and we frankly have no cultural mechanism for coping with that.

France, Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, and dozens or scores of smaller examples. And yet, they still rush headlong into it. Because they're nuts.

You know what it's like being surrounded by crazy people? Makes you nuts.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 05:50 AM (bxiXv)

602 I'm not going out on a limb when I say they going to be screaming at the
wrong people - us. They choose to remain ignorant by continuing to
validate the media's simple regurgitation of the admin's talking points.
The admin will continue to blame Bush, the admin will continue to blame
"Obstructionist Republicans" in the House, and the media will back them
up, and most importantly - the electorate will buy it.

When people start losing health insurance plans, etc, they will blame Obama.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:51 AM (b1iOR)

603 we have to come to terms with what Obamacare, entrenched as permanent law, means.

Fewer jobs, higher prices, rationed medical care. The usual Obama policy implications.

A lot of doctors will simply pack it in. The law even prohibits them from banding together into small groups like LLC's to reduce facilities expenses and spread malpractice liability.

Obamacare was designed to employ lawyers and insurance companies offering malpractice insurance. It was designed to bankrupt small independent medical provider groups, doctors in private practice.

The electronic record keeping provisions have already proven burdensome, and more expensive than old school paper ways.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 05:51 AM (HDTVy)

604 At least my mom and mom in law passed away before Jug Ears got a chance to sic his death panels on them.
Now, I gotta go to work. Got a lot of ObamaPhones! To pay for...

Posted by: antisocialist at November 07, 2012 05:51 AM (j/nZn)

605 Pull the money to pay for Obamacare from the funding for the President's Secret Service detail.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 07, 2012 05:53 AM (OY/SZ)

606 If Fox News and people like Rush come out and start going after Romney, im done with all of them. While Mitt was not the absolute best candidate, he lost more due to corrupt media than anything else.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 05:53 AM (Gr8DF)

607 They have the demographics. We will never win again. Not until we figure
out how to get some minorities and all the stupid contraception taking
women on our side


Again, the same people who re-elected Obama strengthened the GOP majority in the House and elected the most GOP governors in history.

Romney lost by only one percentage point. He lost because his side wasn't prepared for the viciousness of the Democrats' assault.

All we need are people who can fight back effectively. We need people who can be as ruthless as the Democrats. John Bolton was able to reduce John F. Kerry to a sputtering wreck during Bolton's confirmation hearing for ambassador to the U.N. And Bolton did it quietly and without drama.

We'll win again. We did some winning tonight, in fact. We lost the big one, but our candidate nearly beat insurmountable odds. So it's a bit early to sound the death knell for America.

As for Obamacare, it's an entitlement that actually reduces your options. If Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security actually reduced all your options, they'd be repealed.

When Obamacare is in full bloom, let's see how long it lasts, especially when old people start getting denied treatment. That'll start happening in 2014. Let's just see how the elderly and their families like Obama then.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:53 AM (SI/pw)

608 We're going to be like the UK in the 70's: bad economy, poor governance, etc.

Then once people figure it out you have a chance again.

By then we will be like the UK in another way: weaker, poorer, and only able to elect barely to right of center.

Its okay. Life goes on. Beer is still sold. Football is still on. Relax. Work harder. Be a good parent.

AS someone who is ambivalent about social cons, it will be a time of decisions: while I like them personally, it looks like young people and non-whites abhor them, so maybe its time not to deal with them and become a libertarian, and thus cede everthing to the Dems anyways...gulp.

If the so-cons had policed their own on Akin, maybe we would have had a better shot. Instead the Huckabees come out to support them.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 05:53 AM (NV30n)

609 "Fewer jobs, higher prices, rationed medical care. The usual Obama policy implications.

A lot of doctors will simply pack it in"

With Pussy Boehner and No Senate, Obamacare wasn't going to go away. Probably better that Obama is President when US medical care is 3rd world in next few years. At least now there is conservative media to report it unlike the past.

CHRIS MATTHEWS, PAY FOR MY MARIJUANA YOU RICH PRICK!

Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 05:54 AM (xk0Xg)

610 There are plenty of ignorant conservatives. Listen to the callers on any radio talk show.Again, you're agreeing with me that many of the voters chose Obama out of ignorance. That's my only point.I'm trying to stave of the notion that we're now a far-left country, but you seem to want to believe that. Fine. I reject that conclusion.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:36 AM

A rose by any other name... It doesn't really matter why it has come to pass. It has. Would these people vote for an openly socialist platform? Maybe not. But they vote for a covert one anyway. The left has been at this for a long time. They don't give a shit how it comes to pass, just that it does.

Posted by: otho at November 07, 2012 05:54 AM (yBF/9)

611 When people start losing health insurance plans, etc, they will blame Obama.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:51 AM (b1iOR)


Bzzzzt. Wrong. They'll simply call for single payer.

Why? Because the admin will call for it, the MBM will carry their message, and the electorate will buy it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:55 AM (uD2fR)

612 the admin will continue to blame "Obstructionist Republicans" in the House

I'd rubber stamp everything Obama wants at this point. There's no point in a protracted slow motion collapse. We'll be much better off with something (relatively) hard and fast like the Soviet Union went through.

It was a good 230 years, but its over now, so we need to move on to whatever comes next ASAP.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 05:55 AM (HDTVy)

613 I'm feeling very uncharitable this morning and very much subscribing to the H.L. Mencken theory of democracy: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

As
the latest storm barrels down on the east coast I say, fuck 'em. Hope
they suffer. Starting with Chris Christie. Corey Booker for Governor in 2013. Return Chris Christie to private life and the coronary he has so justly earned post haste.

Posted by: Kendall at November 07, 2012 05:56 AM (u3N3z)

614 "Again, the same people who re-elected Obama strengthened the GOP majority in the House and elected the most GOP governors in history."

I truly do not understand this.

Were people voting split-ticket?

That implies they think they know what they are doing.

So, what are they doing?

Only thing I can see would be a whole bunch of low-information rights , moderates, and indies, are really scared they lose their bennies so they want Obama in to make sure the welathy pay it for them.

OK, well, the recession to get taxes up will be fun, and then we still run out of money.

But they must think there is still a pot of gold to redistribute.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 05:56 AM (NV30n)

615 Glad that election is out of the way. Now I can get moving on building those Jeeps in China.

Posted by: Sergio at November 07, 2012 05:56 AM (u3N3z)

616 606 Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 05:53 AM (Gr8DF)

My first reaction, considering everything we've been through the past 4 years and this campaign, would be to shout fraud.

But it's just to stark a reality to ignore that we now have more people on the dole than working.

That's reality. Oh there was no doubt fraud, but what I just said is it. Feh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 05:57 AM (XkWWK)

617 "the admin will continue to blame "Obstructionist Republicans" in the House

I'd rubber stamp everything Obama wants at this point. There's no point in a protracted slow motion collapse. We'll be much better off with something (relatively) hard and fast like the Soviet Union went through.

It was a good 230 years, but its over now, so we need to move on to whatever comes next ASAP. "

I am agreeing with now as well. Dear electorate, since you send completely confusing signals, we give up.

Seriously, what do they want? I can only say that maybe they bought the Left's lies that we can raise taxes and pay for all the good shit. They want the GOP to be the accountant over that procedure for some reason. Everyone hates the accountant, so
WTF.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 05:58 AM (NV30n)

618 "If Fox News and people like Rush come out and start going after Romney, im done with all of them."

Let me save you some suspense then - be done with them now. Already had those recriminations pop up on the threads tonight.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:58 AM (uD2fR)

619 Bzzzzt. Wrong. They'll simply call for single payer.

Why? Because the admin will call for it, the MBM will carry their message, and the electorate will buy it.

That's a design goal of Obamacare, but I don't think it's going to happen. There will be too much rage at the Dems in 2014 for them to make hay with that argument.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:58 AM (b1iOR)

620 If the so-cons had policed their own on Akin, maybe we would have had a better shot.

Single issue voters can't do that. They don't know how, and wouldn't even if they did. When you're willing to let one issue trump the survival of the Republic, you're not capable of seeing any ramifications beyond your one issue.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 05:58 AM (HDTVy)

621 "Glad that election is out of the way. Now I can get moving on building those Jeeps in China."

you thought that too?

priceless.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 05:59 AM (NV30n)

622 I'd rubber stamp everything Obama wants at this point. There's no point in a protracted slow motion collapse. We'll be much better off with something (relatively) hard and fast like the Soviet Union went through.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 05:55 AM (HDTVy)


Oh Hell no.

The USA does everything bigger than everyone else. Soviet and Chinese pogroms have NOTHING on what we'd do if everything went to shit.

Cloward and Piven can't *NOT* result in slaughter here.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 06:00 AM (bxiXv)

623 " it looks like young people and non-whites abhor them, so maybe its time not to deal with them and become a libertarian, and thus cede everthing to the Dems anyways...gulp. "

If Boehner is reelected Speaker I'm gonna start declaring in primaries as a Libertarian. The Republicans is fluked, look at how the Tea Party was muzzled by the Establishment & yet get all of the blame. BTW with Social Cons it's abortion. If you want pro-life candidates to win, you better start getting really graphic with what an abortion looks like. Liberals will call it a war on women and win.

Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 06:00 AM (xk0Xg)

624 At least now I can go back to not giving a crap what Rasmussen has to say...

Like, ever again.

Most accurate pollster, my ass.

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 06:00 AM (appbn)

625 "596
Yes, I know. But not deliberately on the part of the people who did it.

Most Obama voters are going to be screaming bloody murder in about two years. They just don't know it yet.



Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:41 AM (SI/pw)
"


I'm not going out on a limb when I say they going to be screaming at
the wrong people - us. They choose to remain ignorant by continuing to
validate the media's simple regurgitation of the admin's talking points.
The admin will continue to blame Bush, the admin will continue to blame
"Obstructionist Republicans" in the House, and the media will back them
up, and most importantly - the electorate will buy it.

Their tactics have worked. They have achieved
their results politically and electorally. You seem to be arguing
against results, but maybe I'm reading you wrong because it's 5:30 am

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:48 AM (uD2fR)


Exactly. "Burn the Witch" is alas an all too appropriate appellation for what we'll be facing in the years to come.

Obama has already promised us more narratives, stories, time spent away from the White House to "energize" the American people-- and in particular against Congress (who, according to Obama, are to be "held accountable").

Obama has promised us that the next four years will be MORE propagandastic, that his administration will pay MORE attention to the stories/ narratives purveyed by the MSM.

If you can imagine that, you can start to imagine the hell we're in for the next 4 years.





Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 06:00 AM (tUcg9)

626 "That's a design goal of Obamacare, but I don't think it's going to happen. There will be too much rage at the Dems in 2014 for them to make hay with that argument."

The only way that to occur would be a huge second recession where the populace decided it really was Obama's fault.

But since he can say "Bush" GOP Congress, that will not occcur. 4years after Bush, he can still claim Bush!

I think everyone has been bought off and is too scared for economic freedom - they want checks in the mail. Its over until the treasury runs dry. No point in even opposing this process.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:01 AM (NV30n)

627 I'm not going out on a limb when I say they going to be screaming at the
wrong people - us. They choose to remain ignorant by continuing to
validate the media's simple regurgitation of the admin's talking points.
The admin will continue to blame Bush, the admin will continue to blame
"Obstructionist Republicans" in the House, and the media will back them
up, and most importantly - the electorate will buy it.



Their tactics have worked. They have achieved their results
politically and electorally. You seem to be arguing against results, but
maybe I'm reading you wrong because it's 5:30 am


The tactics FAILED on the "obstructionist Republicans"! The electorate STRENGTHENED the GOP House majority!

All this election did was not give the reins of power to Mitt Romney. The reason for that was because the electorate didn't trust him. That's all.

There are serious ramifications to this choice, of course. But people weren't thinking about that. All they "knew" was that Romney may have brought back the bad old days of Bush, who most Americans still blame for everything.

Obama is now going to be unrestrained. We'll see how all these voters like him when he starts implementing the remainder of his agenda.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:01 AM (SI/pw)

628 Let me save you some suspense then - be done with them now. Already had those recriminations pop up on the threads tonight.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:58 AM (uD2fR)

Do you agree with them? I dont. I think we could have had Reagan, and he would have had a tough time in today's America, fighting media/hollywood and the new social media where clearly liberals have the advantage in spreading falsehoods and scare tactics.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:01 AM (Gr8DF)

629 We cannot talk our way out of what has happened today. We cannot think this can be corrected "within," this system, or by anything less than war or supernatural means. Read Lincoln's second inaugural address, where he reckoned that the scourge of war was God's retributive judgement for the sin of slavery. But that the nation would be saved but only that the blood shed by the lash should be matched by that shed in the Civil War.

If you think this is just another part of the election cycles, well I think you are wrong. We cannot adopt false cheer and buck up. This is a certain national judgement, to which I do not know the ends, nobody does. One thing is certain, we are facing pain this nation has not known for over a hundred years...far greater, I think, than the great depression. God help us now.

Think upon this and consider. It has been America's drug habit that has first corrupted Columbia and caused tens of thousands of deaths and Guerilla war. And still we were not sated nor cared.

Now 50,000 Mexicans have died indirectly to feed the same lusts. Not to mention babies murdered in the womb, the good in this country has been great, but the wickedness even greater, at some point the wickedness is, and will be, addressed by God. I grieve for those here that did none of these things and pray the innocent will in some way be spared, but unfortunately the innocent sometimes suffer with the wicked.

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 06:02 AM (cSD32)

630 "As for Obamacare, it's an entitlement that actually reduces your options. If Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security actually reduced all your options, they'd be repealed."


They do reduce options, with net effect and with the reality that you only have the option to support them with your tax dollars.

"When Obamacare is in full bloom, let's see how long it lasts, especially when old people start getting denied treatment. That'll start happening in 2014. Let's just see how the elderly and their families like Obama then."


They'll just call for single payer. You're not grasping the magnitude of the defeat tonight and on what levels it has occurred.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:03 AM (uD2fR)

631 @PurpAV, so what's next?

I see no way forward with social cons, but no way forward without them.

Libertarian party will do nothing.

Join the Dems and work from within what will be the majority party for decades now that everyone is on the dole?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (NV30n)

632 "...people like Rush come out and start going after Romney, im done with all of them."

Rush's Fluke slut and "I hope he fails" does NOT help. It's just a lightning rod to the left and appeals to the "put you back in chains" message.

Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (xk0Xg)

633 Just heard a clip of people in New York, many blacks, celebrating and cheering and carrying on screaming "four more years". These people are so damn ignorant. They dont give one damn about this country. And no offense, but the reason many blacks came out in droves is due to Obama's skin color. As if they really pay attention to what is going on.
What the hell is there to celebrate? Look at the past four years! To celebrate a continuation of that, given the current state of our nation, its just unbelievable.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (Gr8DF)

634 612 the admin will continue to blame "Obstructionist Republicans" in the House

I'd rubber stamp everything Obama wants at this point. There's no point in a protracted slow motion collapse. We'll be much better off with something (relatively) hard and fast like the Soviet Union went through.

It was a good 230 years, but its over now, so we need to move on to whatever comes next ASAP.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 05:55 AM (HDTVy)


Go for it. Let it go. Life's been pretty fair and I can stretch it out (no kids, thank God) for another 30 years, or so, as our family genetics are blessed (or cursed) with longevity and no terminal illnesses.

Let 'em get smacked in the face with it because, it's the only way that reality will soak in, if at all.

Let them own the collapse.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (HKONC)

635 The only way that to occur would be a huge second recession where the populace decided it really was Obama's fault.

Yes, I am certain we are heading for a huge second recession.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 06:05 AM (b1iOR)

636 The political careers of three men came to an end tonight: Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, and Chris Christie.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 06:05 AM (tDieS)

637 I don't know what happened.

I do know that I think the Romney /Ryan team was a good one. I think they ran a good campaign. I think they had a good message. I think they offered a clear choice.

America chose poorly. I don't know why.

I do know that I have a new nic.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 06:05 AM (P6QsQ)

638 How many people bragging about double-voting online will be arrested?

How many people making death threats against Republicans will be arrested?

We finally found the missing middle of the famous meme:

1. Register Democrat.
2. Break the law.
3. Profit!

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 06:05 AM (bxiXv)

639 "Again, the same people who re-elected Obama strengthened the GOP
majority in the House and elected the most GOP governors in history."



I truly do not understand this.



Were people voting split-ticket?



That implies they think they know what they are doing.



So, what are they doing?


They think they need to give Obama more time, because the mantra of the Democrats is that no president was ever given a worse hand than Obama, the poor dear.

They also worried that Romney would "raise taxes on the middle class and give tax breaks to millionaires," so they stayed with Obama.

They voted for the status quo, hoping that things will get better. They didn't want to take a chance on Mitt. That's all.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:06 AM (SI/pw)

640 "There are serious ramifications to this choice, of course. But people weren't thinking about that. All they "knew" was that Romney may have brought back the bad old days of Bush, who most Americans still blame for everything.

Obama is now going to be unrestrained. We'll see how all these voters like him when he starts implementing the remainder of his agenda."

Hopefully. I anticipate blaming Bush until 2020.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:06 AM (NV30n)

641 Rush's Fluke slut and "I hope he fails" does NOT
help. It's just a lightning rod to the left and appeals to the "put you
back in chains" message.

Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (xk0Xg)

Hate to say it, but you're right. I like Rush, but that sort of stuff will always hurt us. I dont mind being controversial and stirring up the left, but calling a young woman a slut on national radio with you being a lightening rod as is, was completely idiotic and hurt us more than people were willing to admit.
We have to realize, there side can say anything. But we have to be careful. Its just the sad state of affairs.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:06 AM (Gr8DF)

642 >>> We cannot talk our way out of what has happened today. We cannot think this can be corrected "within," this system, or by anything less than war or supernatural means. ...

>>> We cannot adopt false cheer and buck up.

Au contraire.

I'm sure that's exactly what will happen.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:06 AM (SKX2R)

643 #541 You are so wrong. Evangelicals came out in force, even in the safe red states. We knew the stakes.
Take your BS anti-Mormon meme and toss it on the camp fire to keep you warm because the lights are going out.

Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 07, 2012 06:07 AM (9zugO)

644 I see no way forward with social cons, but no way forward without them.

The collapse of the Soviet Union wasn't facilitated with voting.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:07 AM (HDTVy)

645 "There will be too much rage at the Dems in 2014 for them to make hay with that argument."

They made hay with "Bush!!!" and The War on Women™ and won. What makes you think they can't do it again. The electorate is broken and the Dems realize this.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:07 AM (uD2fR)

646 Time for a new political party or a new country to live in...seriously. The wife and I have already started looking. You have no idea how much worse - and fascistic - the next 4 (or however long Barky decides to stay on dictator) will be than the last 4 years were.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 06:08 AM (qEkGZ)

647 Well at least it isn't Madam President (Michelle Obama)... yet.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 06:08 AM (opS9C)

648 633 Just heard a clip of people in New York, many blacks, celebrating and cheering and carrying on screaming "four more years". These people are so damn ignorant. They dont give one damn about this country. And no offense, but the reason many blacks came out in droves is due to Obama's skin color. As if they really pay attention to what is going on.
What the hell is there to celebrate? Look at the past four years! To celebrate a continuation of that, given the current state of our nation, its just unbelievable.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (Gr8DF)

Watch a couple episodes of "Hardcore Pawn" (the one set in Detroit).

You'll see the answer.

jeeeez.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 06:08 AM (HKONC)

649 Because the economy is going in the shitter and Obama will be held responsible.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 06:09 AM (b1iOR)

650 They made hay with "Bush!!!" and The War on Women™ and won. What makes you think they can't do it again. The electorate is broken and the Dems realize this.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:07 AM (uD2fR)

And they will do exactly that. They can win with scare tactics and attacks. We cant. When the media helps you, you can do just as you said.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:09 AM (Gr8DF)

651 I'm probably going to avoid the blogosphere for the next few days (because I foresee some ugliness).

But I do want to state for the record my POV now:

I don't blame Romney or Ryan for anything. Like I said: for me, they were the best Republican ticket I've ever experienced and had the privilege to vote for.

And IMO they put in as much of an effort into winning an election as is humanly possible.

The R/R campaign is one of the BEST campaigns I've ever witnessed.

I don't blame the Tea Party either: Tea Partiers were among the most stalwart voters in this election.

What went wrong or who's to "blame" (my own first suspect is FRAUD)... I think I'll avoid much of that conversation. Because I don't want to see us tearing ourselves apart.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 06:09 AM (tUcg9)

652 Llarry, you are talking sense. Thanks. A brake on the GOP owning everything and reforming stuff.

They must sense the economy to be decent enough to deal with.

I always have said the unemployed moving onto SSDI probably are Obama voters. They have already made peace with sucking government teat for the rest of their life. 7.9% unemployment is a feature for Obama - more people in need.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:09 AM (NV30n)

653 The electorate is broken and the Dems realize this.

The ones with any smarts know this. They already got their exit plans in place when the collapse happens. They won't stick around for the riots and death part.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:10 AM (HDTVy)

654
589A couple of things about Obama Care that will happen right away. First older doctors will retire earlier than anticipated, because their income will decrease and why bother working another 5 years? So first is a shortage of Doctors.

Second, fewer will become doctors because Obama Care will cut what is paid for procedures etc.
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what about the sections that call for recruitment of minorities / underrepresented segments to have all expense paid med school to become docs and med staff??? yeah, great quality of care ahead

Posted by: eurw at November 07, 2012 06:10 AM (mF+Zz)

655 >>> #541 You are so wrong. Evangelicals came out in force, even in the safe red states. We knew the stakes.
Take your BS anti-Mormon meme

What you're saying is logically incoherent.

1. We don't know. We simply don't know yet.

But that's not why it's incoherent. It was clearly, and obviously, if anything blaming Christians for the election defeat, not Mormons.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:11 AM (SKX2R)

656 A totally and irrevocably divided and fractured nation.The bottom line is that Obama's parasites will be supported by all the productive citizens in this nation. How long can this go on?

Posted by: rplat at November 07, 2012 06:11 AM (ew94K)

657 If you like Llarry's posts, shoot a brief email to Ace and recommend him as a cob-logger.

I did earlier.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 06:11 AM (b1iOR)

658 I'm afraid. For my family. For my 10-year-old daughter.

Posted by: Miles at November 07, 2012 06:12 AM (1SNj4)

659 When Obamacare is in full bloom, let's see how long it lasts,
especially when old people start getting denied treatment. That'll
start happening in 2014. Let's just see how the elderly and their
families like Obama then."




They'll just call for single payer. You're not grasping the magnitude of the defeat tonight and on what levels it has occurred.


I fully grasp what has happened tonight. It's the people who re-elected Obama who haven't.

When they get their single-payer system and have to wait six weeks to have their broken arm set, they way it was for my brother in Norway, they'll be singing a different tune.

I've lived in six countries with nationalized health care. I know exactly what's coming. Most Americans have no clue. But they'll begin learning in 2014, and then we'll see how they like it. Having lived in those six countries I can tell you that Americans aren't Europeans, Asians, or Latin Americans. We're not passive fatalists.

When people start screaming loud enough, changes will be made. The Obama voters just haven't hit bottom yet. But they will.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:12 AM (SI/pw)

660 "Will anyone hear about that now, or will it all be about how the House blocked his budget? "

Republicans DESERVE this.

They had an opportunity to stop Obama by not passing a debt-limit increase.

They'll have another opportunity to stop Obama by not passing a debt-limit increase in January.

If Republicans allow Barack Obama to write checks to every one of his supporters, and buy their votes, with OUR fucking money ... then what use do I have for a Republican?

You people need to wise. the. fuck. up.

When Republicans cross the aisle to allow Democrats to create a trillion-dollar slush fund which ONLY goes to their guys, then Republicans DESERVE to be defeated.

You people are fucking morons and your leadership are morons.

You don't stop Obama by giving him a blank fucking check.

January. Do the right fucking thing. Take this motherfucker's credit card away from him and see how quick his side abandons him.

Any Republican who votes for ANYTHING that Barack Obama asks for will never get my vote again.

Posted by: someguy at November 07, 2012 06:12 AM (sEXZ/)

661
#641 - Nonsense. We don't have to accept that their side can say anything and that "we have to be careful." What has being careful gotten us so far? It's time to call things as their are and put the pressure on those who have brought this about. First, the so called fourth estate - the press - which from the beginning was hell-bent on advancing this president's (and Progressives' before him) agenda of demonizing the individual, throwing guilt on the United States for being the wealth creating engine of the world, and trashing our Constitution to stablish a government by 1 individual's fiat.
No, we do not have to accept it. We have the RIGHT TO REMAIN VOCAL, and we need to exercise that right whenever possible, no matter what the cost to us personally.

Posted by: TimInVirginia at November 07, 2012 06:13 AM (Eaemu)

662 Stand back and watch, a run on guns is inevitable. The damage to come can not be undone.

Posted by: wierd flunky at November 07, 2012 06:13 AM (X+nFp)

663 'Riots' on Ole Miss campus after election results announced http://tinyurl.com/c42f6v7

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 06:13 AM (opS9C)

664 635 The only way that to occur would be a huge second recession where the populace decided it really was Obama's fault.

Yes, I am certain we are heading for a huge second recession.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 06:05 AM (b1iOR)


So am I and much worse.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 06:13 AM (HKONC)

665
646Time for a new political party or a new country to live in...seriously.
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if you can tolerate cold, wet, snow, and lots of weekly walks to the fresh markets, Poland is pretty nice.

Posted by: eurw at November 07, 2012 06:13 AM (mF+Zz)

666 According to Drudge the margin in the popular vote was about a million fifty thousand votes for L'il Barry. Don't stick a fork in us, yet. We keep the House, whence must originate Bills of Impeachment. Even the Commie-fag-junkies Fox had on were saying TFG has a plateful.
On the other hand, Minnesota, for example, went just about full-tilt crazy, and there really are an awful lot of people out there who may be most charitably described as Obamatons, not quite Zombies, yet, but enervated somehow, and whose eyes have the glow of a TV instead of the Natural Light.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 06:13 AM (1V6Pv)

667 How are you blaming this on the socons? The left created a social issue out of nothing- contraceptives, remember? That was one of the burning issues of 2012. Was there a movement in any part of the conservative base to restrict access to contraceptives? But George Stephanpolous asked about it during a debate as if it were a real issue.
It doesn't matter if we run moderates like Romney or McCain, the left will try to scare women with demagoguery.

Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 06:13 AM (Ou5cA)

668 January. Do the right fucking thing. Take this motherfucker's credit card away from him and see how quick his side abandons him.

Any Republican who votes for ANYTHING that Barack Obama asks for will never get my vote again.

Posted by: someguy at November 07, 2012 06:12 AM (sEXZ/)

--Don't get me started. :/

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 06:14 AM (jKE+Z)

669 Anyone wanting to blame the election results on the evangelicals, here I am. Take your best shot.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 06:15 AM (P6QsQ)

670 Obamas parasites include banksters and other financial fraudsters eating the trough of the taxpayer.

The poor parasites and rich ones win again. The producing middle continue to be raped.

Posted by: PaulRyansHair at November 07, 2012 06:15 AM (jooDN)

671 "The tactics FAILED on the "obstructionist Republicans"! The electorate STRENGTHENED the GOP House majority!"

Because people generally like their congresscritter, but not congress. Comparing Representatives to the President, in this context is apples to oranges.
"All this election did was not give the reins of power to Mitt Romney. The reason for that was because the electorate didn't trust him. That's all."

That's a pretty big "all".
"All they "knew" was that Romney may have brought back the bad old days of Bush, who most Americans still blame for everything."

And this is the root of the problem and it goes very deep.


"We'll see how all these voters like him when he starts implementing the remainder of his agenda."


They won't care because they can still blame Bush and the obstructionist Republicans. Bank on it.

You're still viewing the electorate rationally.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:15 AM (uD2fR)

672 If it's any consolation, you still have public school teachers, cops, firefighters, and all other forms of lazy, degenerate union scum to bash.
Between that and calling anybody who slightly deviates from the conservative orthodoxyy a communist, it should be a good four years for all of you.
Remember this: it's not that the country loves Democrats; they just hate Republicans.

Posted by: stickety at November 07, 2012 06:16 AM (+Vm+w)

673 In America Alone, Mark Steyn points out that an English child born in 1892 who lived to age 80 lived to see both the apogee of the British Empire in the form of Queen Victoria's Silver Jubilee in 1897 and the shriveled husk of a nation it had become by 1972.

It can happen fast.

I was born in 1961, arguably the apogee of American power. My childhood memories are of the space program and moon shots. Cast my first presidential vote for Reagan as a college sophomore. Came from a blue collar background, neither parent went to college. Got two degrees and graduated with a an education debt to first year starting salary ratio of about 1:5. Had a good economic run through the 80's, 90's, and oughts.

The America I live in as a 51 year old is unrecognizable to me from the one I grew to adulthood in. America has to thumb rides to space from the communists.

The America I die in as an 80+ year old? That place won't even be America.

Posted by: History reader at November 07, 2012 06:16 AM (u3N3z)

674 652- That is how Obama broke the code-

Cause unemployment to skyrocket with damaging policy- give the unemployed cash money.

The cash and the hand that gave it to them is much easier to see than the policies that caused the unemployment in the first place.

He will continue this. While he is attempting to bankrupt coal electrical plants and thus causing the electric rates to necessarily skyrocket he will hand out checks to make the prices somewhat bearable.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 07, 2012 06:16 AM (+VMZ0)

675 An average of 5 voting r instead of d in all precincts in FL would have Romney winning. Think about it.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 06:16 AM (nwHKt)

676 Maybe blame some of it on Chris Christie - Fox and Friends just showed some exit poll stuff that said 15% said response to Sandy was THE most important thing influencing their vote and 42% said it was important... Geez.

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 06:17 AM (JwW4z)

677 How long can this go on?

Couple years at best. All the cheap accounting tricks with trust funds and shell games that always worked in the past were used up long ago.

With bomber Ben's job safe now, I think we get some stout devaluation to fuck all our creditors.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:17 AM (HDTVy)

678 "When people start losing health insurance plans, etc, they will blame Obama."

No. They will blame the greedy business owners who refuse to pay for them.

They never get it. They never will.

We impose policies that hurt these people and then they want government to impose more policies to fix the problem.

The system will keep doing this until it can no longer.

Buy gold and guns.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:17 AM (NV30n)

679 Llarry: "I've lived in six countries with nationalized health
care..."


And how many of them have dumped their nationalized health care? Not thought about dumping it or complained about it but actually terminated it?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (eHIJJ)

680 My last internet comment for a long time.

Facebook, deleted
Cable TV ( FOX ) cancelled
Employees who is piss me of this week, Fired

Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (dQ/Oc)

681 I get that the top line results gave Obama the edge going into the election...

But, really, Romney pulling SO MANY independents in those SAME polls didn't make a lick of difference?

They went into the election virtually tied, and the 'undecideds' didn't break for the challenger, as per usual?

We lost Florida? A state that was, basically, conceded to Romney a month ago? And North Carolina was CLOSE?

Early voting for the dems was way down... for reps it was way up.

The last few days of the campaign, Obama has looked desperate and scared, like he KNEW he was gonna lose... and Romney looked just the opposite.

Romney was drawing massive crowds in all of the swing states, and Obama was struggling to get a decent number of people to come to his rallies.

Mia Love had a MASSIVE lead right before the election and lost.

This whole thing just... doesn't smell right at all.

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (appbn)

682 Romney was all too right. 47% are takers, 3-4% are total morons who vote for the cool black guy, and the democrats will just make up whatever % they still need to win it.

Posted by: BuckNaked at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (dlfef)

683 White people seem to be the only race stupid enough to spread their vote around and give a little to each party. They need to wise up and start being a 90% monolith like some folks who shall remain nameless.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (tDieS)

684 The is very very simple . . . when you feed a stray animal it will stay around your house. That relationship applies to Obama and his parasitic constituents . . . as long as he gives them free stuff from the government, they will vote for him. This election proved a basic theorem that about half of this country consists of listless parasitic slugs.

Posted by: rplat at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (ew94K)

685 But, yeah, the weak and flabby Karl Rove was a big loser this season.
Let's replace him with Col. West (who lost!?! can you believe that!?!)!
While we're at it, wouldn't it be fun if someone were to kidnap and waterboard some of these Commie-fag-junkie election engineers to find out how they cheat?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 06:19 AM (1V6Pv)

686 Remember this: it's not that the country loves Democrats; they just hate Republicans math.
Your public sector unions are bankrupting towns, cities, counties and states across the country.

Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 06:19 AM (Ou5cA)

687 Still cant believe there were a lot less people who voted this time than last. As of right now, Romney got even fewer votes than McCain. How the hell?! The crowds Romney got, and he cant match McCain?!?! I dont understand.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:19 AM (Gr8DF)

688 Fuck Todd Akin.

And Sandy.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 06:19 AM (tUcg9)

689 What kind of moronic dipshit blames this on social conservatives? Without them it would have been a 50 state blowout.

Posted by: wierd flunky at November 07, 2012 06:19 AM (X+nFp)

690 People just bunker down. Stop spending money. Stop doing business with people who you know are democrats. If you have a business fire anyone you know is a democrat.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at November 07, 2012 06:20 AM (ZIWkB)

691 And how many of them have dumped their nationalized
health care? Not thought about dumping it or complained about it but
actually terminated it?


Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (eHIJJ)
If our 80000 soldiers disappear from Europe, the EU's socialized medicine programs will soon follow suit.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 06:20 AM (b1iOR)

692 633 Just heard a clip of people in New York, many blacks, celebrating and cheering and carrying on screaming "four more years". These people are so damn ignorant. They dont give one damn about this country. And no offense, but the reason many blacks came out in droves is due to Obama's skin color.


No offense taken. In my opinion blacks in this country are the most racist people of any group. They are not celebrating Obama winning as much as celebrating sticking it to the MAN. To whites, or rather white men, who actually will probably never get elected again to the Presidency. It is 50 years of being trained in the art of grievance and broken families done for them by their liberal masters, who will still reign as the white slave-masters, but in the background.

Next up from the Dems will be Hillary, time for a woman to be Pres don't you know? Unless a ethnic woman shows up on the scene, or a Gay, or Lesbian, everyone must have a turn eating what is left of America

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 06:20 AM (cSD32)

693 As much as I'd like to poke fun, I just awoke near tears for both our country and our candidate.

I know that, ultimately, God's will WILL be done but, for now, I am convinced of much darker forces at work, and find no humor at all in it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 06:20 AM (piMMO)

694 Well, nothing like white people rioting in "Ole Miss" to help the image of our party.

Racist southerners...man the media will be double jacking to that.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:21 AM (NV30n)

695 Mia Love lost ??

Oh no. How did that happen? I truly do not understand what happened last night. Nothing makes sense to me. All the things you cited were real. It's like reality and facts on the ground are all mis-matched against the actual vote count.



Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 06:21 AM (P6QsQ)

696 >>> I get that the top line results gave Obama the edge going into the election...

>>> But, really, Romney pulling SO MANY independents in those SAME polls didn't make a lick of difference?

Which would make sense if a certain usually core GOP demographic sat out this cycle in larger than normal numbers.

Like this dude says:

>>> i keep seeing people saying that "the evangelical vote was way down".
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334727#c19630105

And this dude.

"That's what I heard a few months ago from a friend of mine who had his ear to the GOP pollsters' inside view: Romney still had a very serious Mormon Problem with evangelical voters, even though the "Mormon thing" had faded from mainstream attention. I don't know for sure if that was borne out last night though."
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334727#c19630255

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:22 AM (SKX2R)

697 They think they need to give Obama more time, because the mantra of the Democrats is that no president was ever given a worse hand than Obama, the poor dear.


Yeah. Very prevalent.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 06:22 AM (HKONC)

698 I'm afraid. For my family. For my 10-year-old daughter.

Redouble your efforts, then. I have no children, and I'm estranged from most of my family.

But I'm going to keep fighting. Why? Because this election doesn't signify what so many people think it does. It's not the end of everything.

We're in for a very rough time, but think of the time we had from 1861 to 1865. Do you think that in 1863 the average American thought we'd ever get our act together again? Can ypou imagine the fear the average American felt then?

And that was just yesterday. The last Civil War veteran died in 1959, three years before I was born. Civil War veterans voted for Strom Thurmond.

Here's a tape of a civil war veteran doing a rebel yell. Listen to it and think about what our ancestors went through. We'll survive this.

http://tinyurl.com/3asp3mj

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:22 AM (SI/pw)

699 People just bunker down. Stop spending money. Stop doing business with people who you know are democrats. If you have a business fire anyone you know is a democrat.

*****

How long before ' democrat' is a protected species?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 06:23 AM (piMMO)

700 I'm calling bullshit on the "evangelicals" sat out. Romney lost in the upper midwest states and PA.

Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 06:23 AM (Ou5cA)

701 Colonel West lost too?

Oh geez

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 06:23 AM (P6QsQ)

702 "What kind of moronic dipshit blames this on social conservatives? Without them it would have been a 50 state blowout."

Akin says something stupid...suddenly all of these dispirited Dems who will stay home go on facebook with that shit.

But you guys never understand that. You just say how God will do his will.

Whatever.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:23 AM (NV30n)

703 Bush and McCain both had more votes than Romney. I dont think we can ever understand or know how that happened. It just does not make any sense. There was true fire out there and a lot of people amped up, yet our turn out sucked!?

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:24 AM (Gr8DF)

704 I heard whispers there was a "Mormon whisper"campaign afoot to depress evangelical turnout.

But I'm not willing to believe that had any effect without better evidence.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 06:24 AM (tUcg9)

705 Remember this: it's not that the country loves Democrats; they just hate Republicans.

Posted by: stickety

***

Remember, it's that a majority just want Big Rock Candy Mountain.

Posted by: History reader at November 07, 2012 06:24 AM (u3N3z)

706 >>> What kind of moronic dipshit blames this on social conservatives? Without them it would have been a 50 state blowout.

You definitely need social conservatives (which include Mormons) as part of the coalition.

However, with a Republican at the top of the ticket, I wonder if -- as I predicted long ago during the primaries -- a sizeable enough percentage of Christians wouldn't vote for a Mormon and sat it out.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:24 AM (SKX2R)

707 If our 80000 soldiers disappear from Europe, the EU's socialized medicine programs will soon follow suit.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 06:20 AM (b1iOR)

--Amen

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 06:25 AM (jKE+Z)

708 Anyone wanting to blame the election results on the evangelicals, here I am. Take your best shot.


I doubt it, but I wanna see the vote totals compared to 08. Drudge must have left out a state or two in his totals. No way Romney got less votes then McCain.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 06:25 AM (feFL6)

709 With a Mormon at the top of the ticket, I mean.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:26 AM (SKX2R)

710 My Dem friend from FL kept telling me that evangelicals would never vote for a Mormon.

I thought he was wrong.

He might still be wrong.

We will have to wait to see more.

Maybe they all turned out, but two rape talkers managed to get every Dem woman motivated to vote like hell, and poof, Dem turnout is like 2008.

That counts too, social cons.

Be pro-life is fine. Talking about rape the way those idiots did is something else.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:26 AM (NV30n)

711 That thing you're all feeling right now.

It's called Relevance Deprivation Syndrome.

Your party is no longer relevant and will, in the not to distant future, be just something children learn about in history books.


Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 06:26 AM (HL0e9)

712 Is it wrong for me to wish the worst will happen now that Obama was re-elected just to prove us right? Just to prove to those that did not show up to vote that they screwed over this country.... To prove to the MSNBC types and liberals everywhere that they are wrong..... Is it wrong of me to say that may be the only thing that could save this country in the end?

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:27 AM (Gr8DF)

713 "Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:12 AM (SI/pw) "

I disagree. Last night, Obama overcame some serious hurdles of his own. He beat out all traditional hurdles that have destroyed failed incumbents of the past. Last night was the first real indication that our electorate has changed dramatically.

Despite all the fundamental failures of the past four years, a majority of the electorate voted for more of it. They'll just ask for single payer and as long as they think they're not paying for it, they'll be fine with it. They're not going to blame Obama or the Dems for it because the media won't let it happen.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:27 AM (uD2fR)

714 633
Just heard a clip of people in New York, many blacks, celebrating and
cheering and carrying on screaming "four more years". These people are
so damn ignorant. They dont give one damn about this country. And no
offense, but the reason many blacks came out in droves is due to Obama's
skin color. As if they really pay attention to what is going on.
What
the hell is there to celebrate? Look at the past four years! To
celebrate a continuation of that, given the current state of our nation,
its just unbelievable.


Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (Gr8DF)


They don't know or give a damn about the current state of our nation. They're on the Democrat Plantation, bound not by iron chains but EBT cards, Welfare, Section 8 Housing and all the other giveaways that Democrats use to keep them voting "D". Add in the fact that 100% of their "news" comes from ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, local papers and what they hear from their friends and neighbors (i.e. echo chamber) and the ensnarement is complete.
These people don't know and don't care that there's a whole other world beyond their dysfunctional communities. Doesn't exist for them, only their immediate needs and wants are what matter and they've been catered to for multiple generations. Only when the Plantation system unravels to the point where the handouts stop will there be any sort of rebellion against their masters.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 06:27 AM (pR0/y)

715 "Anyone wanting to blame the election results on the evangelicals"

>>> I doubt it, but I wanna see the vote totals compared to 08. Drudge must have left out a state or two in his totals. No way Romney got less votes then McCain.

Yes, exactly. I could be wrong, but I want to see the vote totals, and breakdowns of said vote. Because I think it's more than just a mere possibility.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:27 AM (SKX2R)

716 Now, it could have been Gary Johnson and the libertarian party, too. So, I am willing to take blame for that.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:27 AM (NV30n)

717 702 Romney won the south, Sexypig. The heart of Socons, he lost the rustbelt with the oh so enlightened social moderates.

Posted by: wierd flunky at November 07, 2012 06:28 AM (X+nFp)

718 DoomedNoLonger, that would be some wonderful schadenfreude were it ever to actually take place, but being on the left means never having to say you're sorry. There will always be a scapegoat.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 06:29 AM (tDieS)

719 stickety

Can you take the cock out of your mouth when you are speaking? Some people.

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 06:29 AM (cSD32)

720 Mark Steyn is pretty mad at his fellow New Hampshirites, who he says "are very comfortable with Big Government, entitlements,
micro-regulation, Obamacare and all the rest — and not much concerned
with how or if it’s paid for."

I think there's one or two verses of a certain Kipling poem that applies to them:

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins

When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,

As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,

The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 06:30 AM (KDAAY)

721 I guess all those Indepedents polled were embarassed to say that they WERE voting for the superstOrm saviOr.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 06:30 AM (nwHKt)

722 Will we ever have an explanation on how there were so many fewer voters this time around? In an election this big? It seems we had many on our side just sat it out and it makes no sense. Look at the number from this election to the last two. It really makes no sense, unless of course, evangelicals did sit it out but I know some of them and just find it hard to believe.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:30 AM (Gr8DF)

723 >>> Bush and McCain both had more votes than Romney. I dont think we can ever understand or know how that happened. It just does not make any sense. There was true fire out there and a lot of people amped up, yet our turn out sucked!?

Actually, I do think we can, and I'm providing a perfectly plausible theory for why.

Whether you have the intellectual courage to investigate possibility honestly, however, I do not know.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:30 AM (SKX2R)

724 "Despite all the fundamental failures of the past four years, a majority of the electorate voted for more of it. They'll just ask for single payer and as long as they think they're not paying for it, they'll be fine with it. They're not going to blame Obama or the Dems for it because the media won't let it happen."

Yep.

And even when the MSM dies, it has put out internet roots too.

Oh well, they still will sell beer. I will just work hard, drink beer, and play with my kids until 2014 and then look out from my bunker.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:30 AM (NV30n)

725 Google Elections:

Obama
50.2%
58,961,679
303

Romney
48.2%
56,601,053
206

Johnson
1.0%
1,130,627
0

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 06:30 AM (opS9C)

726 Now what?

Posted by: dananjcon at November 07, 2012 06:31 AM (jvd3N)

727 Concern Troll: "If our 80000 soldiers disappear from Europe, the EU's socialized medicine programs will soon follow suit."

So, as far as you know, no country that has gone nationalized medicine has managed to escape it? And we're now different even though the Overton Window has shifted as far Left as it has been in American history?

What programs have European nations dumped in their hour of economic distress? As far as I can tell, they riot a bit and the politicians throw them some more cheese. What difference would our leaving make? They'll just not have a military and still keep raiding those with wealth while doling out the cheese to the "middle class."

Their medical apparatus will continue. Ours will follow the same path. It is by design.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 06:31 AM (eHIJJ)

728 Wisconsin, who 5 months ago re-affirmed Scott Walker, has sent the most liberal Senator ever to Washington. Tammy Baldwin has consistently voted to the left of the parameters of her own Democratic party. She has voted for things even Nancy Pelosi wouldn't touch. She is virulently anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian, she is a supporter of OWS, she boasts that she wants a complete government take-over of health care and voted 9 times to not supply body armor to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She is in the Maxine Waters camp of the Democratic Party and now she is my Senator.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 06:31 AM (P6QsQ)

729 PHASE II -- PLUNDER

This is where the REAL fucking begins.

Posted by: Rmoney Voter at November 07, 2012 06:32 AM (JtyGg)

730 I like Romney, but I hated his concession speech. I dont mind being "gracious" and classy in defeat but when we know what Obama has done and that he will NOT change, you have to throw that into your speech and warn America that theyve made their bed and will have lie in it.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:32 AM (Gr8DF)

731 "I guess all those Indepedents polled were embarassed to say that they WERE voting for the superstOrm saviOr."

Evangelicals who don't want to show anti-Mormon bias Bradley effect...

I want to see more data. Seriously, losing the SCOTUS will not help their cause.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:32 AM (NV30n)

732 2008
Obama McCain
69,456,897 59,934,814

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 06:32 AM (feFL6)

733 Llarry: "I've lived in six countries with nationalized health

care..."

And how many of them have dumped their
nationalized health care? Not thought about dumping it or complained
about it but actually terminated it?


None, because they have a long history of living under authoritarianism; they're passive; they have cultural traditions of collectivism; and they're culturally unable to admit to mistakes or change course.

None of those cultural traits apply to the U.S.

It took us sixty years to get here. It'll take us a while to get out of it. There will be another Reagan. It wasn't Romney, but he or she may come after the second term of Obama.

The good news is our natural resources aren't going anywhere, and we can change our legislation. We haven't hit bottom yet, so we're still in denial.

We're almost there. Another four years of Obama will probably do the job.

Everybody's forgetting that despite the odds, Romney came within one percentage point of matching Obama. He almost made it. After four more years of Obama and two years of Obamacare, let's see what sort of mood the country is in.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:33 AM (SI/pw)

734 The more I think about (1) just how excited our side was (2) just how much fewer votes Romney got than McCain and Bush, I wonder (3) was the difference a sizeable minority of Christians sitting on their asses rather than turning out for a Mormon?

There might be another explanation, but go ahead and tell me that wouldn't solve the riddle.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:33 AM (SKX2R)

735 #655 Let me lay it out for you:

Evangelicals, of which I am one, were on fire to vote. I live in that world. They were also praying daily over this election and knew what we were up against.

We are people of faith and know that the Lord will see us through this truly sad and awful time in the the history of this nation. And that we all will suffer, and greatly.

Post-mortems on the election are fine fodder for the internet but there is real work to be done, and now.




Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 07, 2012 06:33 AM (9zugO)

736 This is hard news with which to wake up. But, one thing consoles me:

Barry didn't want to be re-elected. He wanted to retire and start that lucrative speaking tour, play golf, live in Hawaii. He and M are both unhappy campers this morning, as they cannot slink of, crying racism to their post-presidential life. That's my sweet thought, this morning.

We're brought closer to a place we hoped to avoid with Rmoney: chaos and destruction. We would have gotten there anyway, because of math, but we hoped for, as someone put it above, 'a softer landing'.

Buckle up kiddies. Maybe it is better this way. Full dose of toxin is needed, so we welcome the anti-toxin. We were just not ready, this time around.

People have gone thru worse than this. Chin-up. Sit back and watch the left destroy itself.


Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 06:33 AM (JZBti)

737 Appealing to Gov. Rick Perry to secede.

That is all.

Posted by: Joyce at November 07, 2012 06:34 AM (AyynO)

738 Damn. I figured I was a sure thing for President Romney's Sec State

Posted by: Jon Huntsman at November 07, 2012 06:34 AM (sIlEi)

739 "Wisconsin, who 5 months ago re-affirmed Scott Walker, has sent the most liberal Senator ever to Washington. Tammy Baldwin has consistently voted to the left of the parameters of her own Democratic party. She has voted for things even Nancy Pelosi wouldn't touch. She is virulently anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian, she is a supporter of OWS, she boasts that she wants a complete government take-over of health care and voted 9 times to not supply body armor to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She is in the Maxine Waters camp of the Democratic Party and now she is my Senator."

Very strange Tommy Thompson isn't some crazy.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:34 AM (NV30n)

740 Your party is no longer relevant and will, in the not to distant future, be just something children learn about in history books.

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 06:26 AM (HL0e9)



Just like America. Congratulations, fuckwit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:34 AM (uD2fR)

741 I was going to be his head of Homeland Security.

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (sIlEi)

742 Lachlan

Your party is no longer relevant and will, in the not to distant future, be just something children learn about in history books.

Yep, and when will the crocodile eat you?

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (cSD32)

743 >>> Evangelicals who don't want to show anti-Mormon bias Bradley effect...

Good analogy.

>>> I want to see more data.

Me too.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (SKX2R)

744 Most of my fellow Christians voted for R, but there was a certain strain that would not vote for him. I tried reasoning with them, but they would have none of it. Well, that's fine, most of them had not been 'touched' by Obama's magic, as of yet. That will change soon.

Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (JZBti)

745 If (off the top of my head, gut instinct rather than empirical evidence)) I had to blame anyone, I'd look at:

Akin (and the infinite amount of idiotic abortion/ RAPE material, later kindled by fucking clumsy-idiot Murdock).

NB I DON'T equate "Akin" with social conservatives in general. Social conservatives in general were likely an asset rather than deficit to the R/R campaign. (Though ugh the likes of Maggie Gallagher.)

But I think a lot of (stupidly susceptible) women felt bound to vote against a party that had Akins in it.

And that (plus gay marriage) ignited enough youth/ social "liberals" to seduce them into another content-free yet inspiring campaign.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (tUcg9)

746
I was part of OH's ground game for the last two months I went to all three major cities. I met quite a few AA that were voting R/R.
Our ground game was amzing.
Something is worng with the numbers. I saw the enthusiasm.

I saw the R/R signs in the inner city. I saw the AA walking into Victory centers to help out. Hell, I volunteered to walk with them (just in case they were plants).

Again, no way the #s are right.
Plus, where does the military vote stand? Did OH service men get to vote? I know they were late getting the ballots out.
We must now organize even harder, get together with the college Rep. groups and put out truth papers informing the college idiots about exactly what are govt is doing.
We have to bypass the press and get the truth out ourselves.

Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (fKyrY)

747 The next Supreme Court opening is mine.

Posted by: Hilary Clinton at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (sIlEi)

748 Not so fast, babe.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 07, 2012 06:36 AM (sIlEi)

749 How are you blaming this on the socons?

The left offers bait and they hit it every time at the most inopportune moments like a catfish hit a shiny bit of tin foil.

You could get away with that prior to the Internet, cell phone video, YouTube, etc. Even as recently as the 1980's local goofs by a downticket player didn't have the national impact they do today.

The leftist media understands this far better than the socon politicians do. They gotta start realizing they're in Indian country the moment they walk out their front door in the morning. There is no such thing as a "safe" audience anymore, and ALL media is to be distrusted.

FYNQ needs to be the watchword. The only way to not lose the game is don't play the game.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:36 AM (HDTVy)

750 Yeah, looking at the electoral map, it doesn't appear that Romney lost the states in the Bible Belt. He lost them in the sophisticated states. The ones that don't go to church much. And Obama won 68% of the vote of people that don't go to church at all.

So Obama takes the non-church states, Romney takes the go-to-church states, but somehow it's the church people that are to blame for Romney's loss.

That's some fancy thinking there.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 06:36 AM (P6QsQ)

751 I can't sleep. I really needed the economy to get a boost, and this election will not do it. What a sucky way to wake up.

Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (M/XKe)

752 I'm sorry, I just cannot make jokes.

Funny is when all the trolls are all over twitter claiming they will riot, if Romney wins.

Funny is when they are hopping around proud to show off their free phones.

Funny is when President Obama releases the most desperate political ad of all time, featuring Big Bird.

Not funny is when people actually go out and vote for him. I've heard calls that the right needs to "adapt" to the ever changing electorate in our country.

What are we supposed to do? Open the borders for all who want to come, despite the fact that we don't even have enough employment for our own citizens? We should ignore our deep-seeded religious beliefs on some of the core social issues in our country? We should hold the GOP primary on MTV, and have the youth decide which candidate is the "coolest"?

I don't see how a conservative, or at the very least, moderate decent Christian man (because I guess that makes you a square) will ever win again.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (d9XKS)

753 This is why I don't have dem "friends". How can you be friends with someone who fucks you financially, believe in killing babiea, but not Bambie or murderers, AGW, and green energy skittle shitting unicorns?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (d0Dmj)

754 Plus, where does the military vote stand? Did OH service men get to vote? I know they were late getting the ballots out.
We
must now organize even harder, get together with the college Rep.
groups and put out truth papers informing the college idiots about
exactly what are govt is doing.
We have to bypass the press and get the truth out ourselves.

Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (fKyrY)

I saw so many more signs for Romney. Not many for Obama. Military Times poll showed Military favored Romney by huge margin. Over 30 newspapers endorsed Romney. So many seemed fired up, huge crowds. Yet we still have a poor turnout?! Makes. No. Sense.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (Gr8DF)

755 I don't believe that 10 million fewer people voted this election.

Not for one minute.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 06:38 AM (feFL6)

756 QE5! QE7! QE10!

Posted by: Ben Bernanke at November 07, 2012 06:38 AM (sIlEi)

757 728 Wisconsin, who 5 months ago re-affirmed Scott Walker, has sent the most liberal Senator ever to Washington.

I have a feeling that she and Liz Warren may be competing for that honor.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 06:38 AM (KDAAY)

758 Next Theory:

Lots of voting for GOP for the states and governors, but not for Senate or President =

1) Fear of federal programs like medicare and social security being reduced at all.

2) Possible fear of war with Iran? I mean I am ready to leave Afghanistan...Romney was not, but maybe now we can leave?

3) Must give black guy maximum chances. Fair enough. GOP Congress with hold him to account...people with no clue of EO, etc.

4) We are just too old and too white, and have a smidgeon of racists which really hurts image wise. Immigration then becomes a fracture point within the GOP. this one probably costs less votes than giving up social cons.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:38 AM (NV30n)

759 I keep thinkig of the line from "Unforgiven"......"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."

Posted by: BignJames at November 07, 2012 06:38 AM (rlFQ+)

760 >>> Most of my fellow Christians voted for R, but there was a certain strain that would not vote for him. I tried reasoning with them, but they would have none of it. Well, that's fine, most of them had not been 'touched' by Obama's magic, as of yet. That will change soon.
Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM

This.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:38 AM (SKX2R)

761 Now I'll never get built.

Posted by: Keystone pipeline at November 07, 2012 06:39 AM (sIlEi)

762 I've sort of graduated from the desire to mock and entered the "brutal slapstick" sense of humor phase.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 06:39 AM (LRFds)

763 Our principles are more important than our country

Yes Obama will continue ruining America and force Israel into attacking Iran but he is a true Leftist whereas Romney is a RINO, gosh darn it.

Besides, electing Romney and putting conservatives into Congress to keep his feet to the fire was just too much hard work. Also, principles.

Posted by: SoCons at November 07, 2012 06:39 AM (CISf2)

764 #750 Mama Winger, I have admired you since the old days of lurking at LGF. You are right.

Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 07, 2012 06:39 AM (9zugO)

765 There is, of course, another explanation.

Wide, mass voter fraud. I'd want to see some solid proof before I'd lend too much credence to the idea, but... dems oppose voter ID laws for a reason.

And there were the vote changing machines, those guys caught destroying republican voter registration forms, republican poll watchers being kicked out of polling places, the destruction of those military absentee ballots...

So, y'know...

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 06:40 AM (appbn)

766 "Actually, I do think we can, and I'm providing a perfectly plausible theory for why.
Whether you have the intellectual courage to investigate possibility honestly, however, I do not know."


No, you're providing a hypothesis. Perhaps if you started backing it up, your newfound smug could be justified.

Until then, settle down Sherlock.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:40 AM (uD2fR)

767 We're on our own. Bombs away.

Posted by: Israel at November 07, 2012 06:40 AM (sIlEi)

768 What are we supposed to do?

Embrace the collapse and work to make sure we get the better deal in whatever emerges out of the ashes.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:40 AM (HDTVy)

769 I voted for the Mormon. Would I hire one?. . . . I might. There are a lot of similarities when you come right down to it between Mormonism and Islam: they both know so much that isn't so, to borrow Reagan's phrase, and adhere to some absolutely ridiculous beliefs. I'd have to weigh whether someone who believed utter B.S. in one part of his life might not be susceptible to B.S. in another.
I'm sure Mitt is a good and honorable man, a real man unlike the man-god-child L'il Barry, but he is no killer. That head-tilted benign beam of his was almost exactly wrong compared with what we did need.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 06:41 AM (1V6Pv)

770 Last night, Obama overcame some serious hurdles of his own. He beat out
all traditional hurdles that have destroyed failed incumbents of the
past. Last night was the first real indication that our electorate has
changed dramatically.



Despite all the fundamental failures of the past four years, a majority of the electorate voted for more
of it. They'll just ask for single payer and as long as they think
they're not paying for it, they'll be fine with it. They're not going to
blame Obama or the Dems for it because the media won't let it happen.


I'm afraid you're wrong.

What you're not taking into account is that never before has the mainstream media hidden so much of a president's failings and crimes.

If the electorate had been as informed as the average Ace of Spades HQ reader, Romney would've won by forty percentage points. This election does not signify a major shift in Americans' values.

As for single payer, having lived in six countries with it, I can tell you that people WON'T be fine with waiting six weeks to have their broken arms set, even if they think they're not paying for it. They WON'T be fine with having treatment withheld from their parents. They WON'T be fine with not having emergency rooms or family doctors, even if it's "free."

Just wait. You'll see that I'm right.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:41 AM (SI/pw)

771 I quickly un-friended a couple pro Obama people on my Facebook. Never really friends, just acquaintances from the past. A few of them ex military mates, or high school. 2 of them black and from their posts, they clearly were ignorant and loud about their Obama support due to color.

Ive been knee deep in following politics and not getting enough of it. Hours a day every day. I need a break. Yet afraid to take one because I do not want to take my eye off of what Obama is doing, but at the same time, does it even matter? We may all stay informed, yet the media/hollywood will continue to cover for him. It almost feels hopeless. No matter what a man like him does, we can not reach the right people because we are up against a huge media force.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:41 AM (Gr8DF)

772 "Not funny is when people actually go out and vote for him. I've heard calls that the right needs to "adapt" to the ever changing electorate in our country.

What are we supposed to do? Open the borders for all who want to come, despite the fact that we don't even have enough employment for our own citizens? We should ignore our deep-seeded religious beliefs on some of the core social issues in our country? We should hold the GOP primary on MTV, and have the youth decide which candidate is the "coolest"?"

1) School vouchers.

2) Move tax day to one week before the election.

3) Encourage immigration, but world wide. We will have to more generous then the Dems to get this to work, but immigration is happening regardless. Sure some are lefties, but most of them hate the GOP not because they are lefties but because they see them as white assholes who hate immigrants. Do you vote for people who hate you? Yes, this image is stupid, but it still exists.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:41 AM (NV30n)

773 None, because they have a long history of living under authoritarianism; they're passive; they have cultural traditions of collectivism; and they're culturally unable to admit to mistakes or change course.

None of those cultural traits apply to the U.S.

It took us sixty years to get here. It'll take us a while to get out of it. There will be another Reagan. It wasn't Romney, but he or she may come after the second term of Obama.

The good news is our natural resources aren't going anywhere, and we can change our legislation. We haven't hit bottom yet, so we're still in denial.

We're almost there. Another four years of Obama will probably do the job.

Everybody's forgetting that despite the odds, Romney came within one percentage point of matching Obama. He almost made it. After four more years of Obama and two years of Obamacare, let's see what sort of mood the country is in.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:33 AM (SI/pw)


All good points. I think we need some time to step back and reassess things. Where most everyone is at right now, I think, is the likely irreparable damage that will be done in four years time and the demographic difficulties that will be even harder to surmount.

I guess I have to ask the question: Who do we run to surmount those difficulties? Do we concede POTUS and simply try to retake the Senate again?

I don't know...

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 06:42 AM (HKONC)

774 Hey capitalists? You're my bitches now.

Posted by: Lizzie Pocahontas Warren at November 07, 2012 06:42 AM (sIlEi)

775 I thought I would have something to say this morning...I'm speechless.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 07, 2012 06:42 AM (jvd3N)

776 "That's some fancy thinking there."
Exactly. I live in Virginia. The evangelicals I know phonebanked and passed out lit and worked the polls. They were on fire for Mitt. Mitt spoke at Liberty University (Falwell's school) and got a rousing reception. Billy Graham met with Mitt and said he was pulling for him. Anyone who blames this loss on evangelical voters (as opposed to candidates) is wrong.

Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 06:43 AM (Ou5cA)

777 happily deleting my tweetlines and pondering yanking my internet connection in the next 24 hours.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 06:44 AM (LRFds)

778 mama winger, I had such pride in this state after the election (and reelection) of Walker and the election of Ron Johnson. My pride increased immensely when Ryan - certainly one of the most intelligent, gutsy pols out there - was chosen as Mitt's VP pick. I thought that Wisconsin, which helped create the Progressive Movement (damn you, UW-Madison) would now, 100 years later, be at the forefront of the new era of fiscal responsibility. But, like the idiots elsewhere in this country, the idiots here apparently got frightened at the idea of the federal tit drying up and regressed back to their former stupidity - the stupidity that gave us Doyle and Kohl and Feingold.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 07, 2012 06:44 AM (7OHl8)

779 Rollory in the other active thread posted a comment that I think bears thinking about.

It's highly controversial (not something I shy away from) and I'm going to repost it here in its entirety:

What the hell did you expect, you idiot?

1) For as long as I've been watching politics, anybody saying "The polls are wrong!" has simply been deluding themselves.

2) Romney was the worst possible candidate. "Not Obama" is Not Enough. "Go Team Red" is Not Enough. Forcing an unacceptable candidate down the throats of party dissidents and then shouting them down when they object is idiotic. On every policy of ACTUAL SUBSTANCE, Romney's position was functionally indistinguishable from Obama's, except for where Romney's was worse.

3) Republicans have spent the past fifty years determinedly importing a massive nonwhite population all while hallucinating that nonwhites aren't racist and it's racist to think otherwise. Get this through your fucking skulls: ONLY WHITES ARE ANTIRACIST. And it is a stupid and suicidal thing for whites to do. These immigrants vote Democratic by massive amounts because the Democrats are the anti-white party, and the Republicans deliberately work for that result and encourage it and then are confused when losing elections. Republicans have the choice of 1) becoming a carbon copy of the Democrats (which they are pretty close to already, 2) NOT BEING ANTIRACIST, 3) losing. Forever.

Texas already has a majority of its children as nonwhite.

http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2011/02/texas-demographer-its-basically-over-for-anglos/

In twenty years, that means a Texas that NEVER VOTES REPUBLICAN ON ANYTHING. No. They WILL NOT magically become good conservative voters. They're fucking Aztecs, for crying out loud.

PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT, WILL VOTE AND BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THOSE DIFFERENCES, AND DUMPING THEM INTO AN AMERICAN SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT CHANGES THAT ENVIRONMENT, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MOVED.

And they know who their enemies are. You don't. Yet.

Wake up.
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334727#c19630536

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:45 AM (SKX2R)

780 Another theory could be that Dems just had a higher turnout and enthusiasm than we thought.

We could have been...*gasp*...wrong.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:45 AM (uD2fR)

781 Sexypig, now you're saying we should embrace more immigration?
Axelrod, is that you? You really had me going there.

Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 06:45 AM (Ou5cA)

782 "It's the economy, stupid!"

I'm going to say we lost because all we did was say unemployment was high and gas prices were high.

We ran away from social issues and let Dems define us as anti-woman.

Where were the ads about the Ground Zero Mosque?

Where were the ads about Fast and Furious?

Where were the ads about Halperin or Rezko?

When the GOP made a decision to play it "clean", it decided to sound like a broken record based on a comment made bu a bald idiot twenty years ago.

Meanwhile, Barry defined Romney as a corporate raider who hates Big Bird.

Another thing fiscons - it should be painfully obvious after Fiorina, Whitman, and now Romney, that Americans DON'T LIKE CEOs.

I know somehow this obvious example of 'electability' Republican strategy failed because of SoCons, but another parting bit of wisdom - you won't make inroads with hispanics and blacks with fiscal conservatism. You make inroads with social issues.

We lost because America still doesn't know all the shit about Barry. Because our side tells the he's a nice guy.

Mitt Romney lost, because Northeastern Republican strategies are losing strategies.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 06:45 AM (uhAkr)

783
TELL ME IF THIS MAKES SENSE:


POTUS VOTE TOTALS:


1996 – 94,683,948
2000 – 101,455,899 (+7%)
2004 – 121,069,054 (+19%)
2008 – 129,389,711 (+7%)
2012 – 115,562,372 (-11%) <<< WTF?


So after at least 7% voter growth every election since 1996, in 2012
we drop 11%!!!! Has anything like this ever happened before? If you
look at voters as a % of population the drop is even more staggering.


And yet, polling stations had to remain open extra hours because of their sheer volume of voters?


*******************


If you look at normal voter growth (+7%), we should have had 138,446,990 voters in 2012.


So we underperformed just normal growth by 22,884,618!


What the hell happened to 22 million voters?

I vote for alien abduction.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 07, 2012 06:45 AM (hlUJY)

784 "Yeah, looking at the electoral map, it doesn't appear that Romney lost the states in the Bible Belt. He lost them in the sophisticated states. The ones that don't go to church much"

Yes, this is a counter-data to that theory...but we were always going to hold those states.

So who do you think stayed home?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:46 AM (NV30n)

785 750 Mama Winger,

I'm making up my mind on Texas or Louisiana.

Ohio died last night at 2300.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 06:46 AM (LRFds)

786 DoomedNoLonger,
I pretty much feel the same way with news coverage. It is hard to read news of what is going wrong if 51% of the country doesn't want to fix it.

Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 06:46 AM (M/XKe)

787 "Another thing fiscons - it should be painfully obvious after Fiorina, Whitman, and now Romney, that Americans DON'T LIKE CEOs. "

This is interesting. Very plausible. But dems have run CEOs like Warner.

Maybe they don't like GOP CEO's.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:47 AM (NV30n)

788 "Barry didn't want to be re-elected. He wanted to retire and start that
lucrative speaking tour, play golf, live in Hawaii. He and M are both
unhappy campers this morning, as they cannot slink of, crying racism to
their post-presidential life. That's my sweet thought, this morning."

You're right. Barry and Mooch may well be the unhappiest people in the country this morning ;-)

Posted by: Anne B. at November 07, 2012 06:47 AM (f3owF)

789 Fuck you, 53.

You wanted your precious Chocolate Crackhead back again? You've got him.

Now choke on him and die.

Seriously, just die. You are not my countrymen.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 06:47 AM (zF6Iw)

790 Oh, and most importantly, this election should have been about Obamacare. It wasn't, because our standard bearer couldn't make it about Obamacare.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 06:48 AM (uhAkr)

791 >>> never before has the mainstream media hidden so much of a president's failings and crimes.

This is true.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:48 AM (SKX2R)

792 Just some random observations: Prelim numbers show Obama will 10-11 million less votes than 2008, and GOP with 3 million less, but numbers will change. My gut tells me some serious hanky panky went on, but isn't that always the case?

Poll(s) have shown that Dems are more prejudiced against Mormons than Repubs are.

Also, gay marriage in MD and ME show that GOP should avoid the issue? I don't think so. Two looney states for gay marriage, and suddenly people re saying the country is for gay marrige? Not a chance.

I think if Mitt didn't have Mittcare around his neck, and went ll out against it, perhaps that would have helped some... I don't know.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 06:48 AM (opS9C)

793 I guess I have to ask the question: Who do we run to surmount those
difficulties? Do we concede POTUS and simply try to retake the Senate
again?


Survive the collapse and ensuing unpleasantness. Those who make it through will be the ones to form whatever comes next.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:48 AM (HDTVy)

794 Bill,
I wish you hadn't shown me those numbers. I just feel like he pulled a Nixon on us and I don't understand it. How can this many people truly like the path that we are on?

Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 06:48 AM (M/XKe)

795 Llarry: "None of those cultural traits apply to the U.S."

Then we're at the Y in the path and have chosen different philosophical routes. I believe America has finally tipped to an irreversible position. You don't. We simply don't and won't agree because we are interpreting our witnessed history differently.

We are more accepting of authoritarianism. Our liberties have been corroding for decades. Boiling frog syndrome. Our culture has changed. That is the war we lost and it takes generations to erode. An opportunistic tyranny (and Mark Levin would rightly say it all begins with soft tyranny) will exploit levers of power to ensure a culture doesn't change back... until very ugly civil strife and societal collapse.

Americans aren't all that different from other people though we keep believing we are. We had structures that were supposed to set us apart from other cultures (defined in the Constitution, of course) but we have seen the corruption and atrophy of those freedoms/rights and done not a thing about them. Ultimately, when they erode, we are as savage as everyone else; add in secular humanism and we get there even faster.

So nationalized medicine will be here until the collapse as it is everywhere it's been implemented.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 06:49 AM (eHIJJ)

796
773:
I guess I have to ask the question: Who do we run to surmount those difficulties? Do we concede POTUS and simply try to retake the Senate again?
We focus on the Senate in 2014. We look for strong candidates who can run good campaigns andhavea decent shot at winning, and we support them. We don't fight the socon/ RINO battle. The problem with Akin, Mourdock, Angle, andO'Donnell is not that theyare socons, it's that they are idiots.
Right now, I'm not in despair but I'm sure pretty depressed. I don't know where we go.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 07, 2012 06:49 AM (sIlEi)

797 "Oh, and most importantly, this election should have been about Obamacare. It wasn't, because our standard bearer couldn't make it about Obamacare."

Also true. But there are popular aspects of Obamacare, so you would have to have a plan to deal with them...did anyone? No one in the primaries.

Maybe they thought SCOTUS would help out. I felt worse after that decision than I do now.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:50 AM (NV30n)

798 Oh, and next election?

Here's to saying, "Fuck political analysis using fourth-dimensional chess, and slavishly following the average of the polls instead."

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:50 AM (SKX2R)

799 I know somehow this obvious example of 'electability' Republican
strategy failed because of SoCons, but another parting bit of wisdom -
you won't make inroads with hispanics and blacks with fiscal
conservatism. You make inroads with social issues.

Soooo.......you think the right should abandon everyone who cares about abortion, gay marriage, contraception, and the like?

Basically, those of us who care deeply about that kind of stuff are screwed?

Anyway, who better in the GOP primary would have been more socially moderate?

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 06:50 AM (d9XKS)

800 >>> Poll(s) have shown that Dems are more prejudiced against Mormons than Repubs are.

But they didn't have a Mormon at the top of their ticket.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:51 AM (SKX2R)

801 Where most everyone is at right now, I think, is the likely irreparable
damage that will be done in four years time and the demographic
difficulties that will be even harder to surmount.{/i]

Why do people keep saying that the demographics will be so hard to surmount?

In this very election, after a full summer of lying assaults by the Democrats, running against the First Black President, whose bungling and crimes have been kept out of the public eye by the state-run media, resulting in Barry maintaining his façade of intelligence and pragmatism, a corny, old-fashioned, odd, time-traveling MORMON from a bygone era got within one percentage point of succeeding!

This isn't the sea change you think it is.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:52 AM (SI/pw)

802 @783

Do those numbers include Florida bill? Not trying to be a smart ass, I'm asking because I don't know anything anymore.

Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 06:52 AM (Pu81c)

803 What the hell happened to 22 million voters?

They've given up. They believe the system is so corrupted that their votes simply don't matter anymore.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:52 AM (HDTVy)

804 800 Samwise - Are you kidding? I didn't say they did. Gawd.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 06:52 AM (opS9C)

805 752
...

I don't see how a conservative, or at
the very least, moderate decent Christian man (because I guess that
makes you a square) will ever win again.


Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (d9XKS)-----------------------------You can't. Give up. Its our country now. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I don't want my door damaged by your loser butt.

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 06:52 AM (HL0e9)

806 I am inconsolable. When people vote completely against their self-interest on the economy, there is nothing to be done. We ants can talk big about securing our own futures and letting all the grasshoppers starve, but, the reality is the grasshoppers swarm and devour everything in their path. Sure there is nothing left for them to use for survival, but, they had fun, fun, and more fun while the ants had little to none.

I have not had a Democrat or a Liberal for a friend in a long, long, long time because we could never truly relax and be ourselves. Now I probably never will. We are two different species now.

I have one thought for all the women that allowed the Dims to once again define them as only sex objects, good luck with that chickies, your fertile years pass quickly and you will be old for a long time since your parents and society have made you so healthy. All those dollars you allowed to be squandered for birth control and abortions will not be available to help you with your cancers, your diabetes, osteoporosis, and Alzheimer's.

To the doper/"Libertarians" who threw their votes away on marijuana issues, good luck with that, the cartels have no interest in legal and cheap pot. They don't bother with elections, they just kill people who try to stop them by the hundreds--whole families. It is just business to them.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 06:52 AM (kXoT0)

807 Lordy, I wasn`t paying much attention to tthe vote totals until you good people said something. From what I`m seeing obama got 10,000,000 less than `08. I refreshed my election page to get `12 total, don`t know how correct that is, but if true with supposedly high turnouts, somethings smellin`.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 06:53 AM (nwHKt)

808 Make fun of democrats while you can; it will soon be illegal. Might as well start contributing to Ace's legal fund now.

Posted by: dustydog at November 07, 2012 06:53 AM (K550W)

809 "We focus on the Senate in 2014. We look for strong candidates who can run good campaigns andhavea decent shot at winning, and we support them. We don't fight the socon/ RINO battle. The problem with Akin, Mourdock, Angle, andO'Donnell is not that theyare socons, it's that they are idiots."

Then I would suggest we have decide on immigration. Do you want to keep out the Mexicans or do you want to open it up to even more kinds of people and look more like America, or do we keep with the stodgy image?

p.s. You can be anti-illegal immigrant and pro-immigration. I would say go big - go for double immigration quotas everywhere, help certain illegals head home first to get their proper docs and come back - like people with kids born here who could do that anyways. I know this won't be popular with a lot of people here though.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:53 AM (NV30n)

810 Dear lord! Grayson was elected again! The most vile individual in Congress, in recent decades, Alan Grayson! Obama wasn't bad enough? Oy!

Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 06:54 AM (8vYXA)

811 That thing you're all feeling right now.It's called Relevance Deprivation Syndrome.Your party is no longer relevant and will, in the not to distant future, be just something children learn about in history books.

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 06:26 AM (HL0e9)


Here's a napkin. You've still got a little of Obama's jizz dripping off your chin.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 06:54 AM (zF6Iw)

812 So who do you think stayed home?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:46 AM (NV30n)

--------------
I don't know. I really really do not understand what happened last night. I can't match up what seemed to be happening on the ground with the actual vote totals. None of it makes sense to me. It's like I woke up in Bizarro World. It feels surreal.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 06:55 AM (P6QsQ)

813 Americans aren't all that different from other people though we keep believing we are

I was born in Venezuela and have lived in six countries. I've visited most of the others.

I can tell you from personal experience that Americans are indeed different from everybody else on the planet.

How many countries have you lived in, by the way?

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:55 AM (SI/pw)

814 Embrace the collapse and work to make sure we get the better deal in whatever emerges out of the ashes.


Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:40 AM (HDTVy)

That's where I am. Maybe you're being sarcastic, but I mean it. I guess we'll have to compete with the Cloward-Piven people.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 06:55 AM (KDAAY)

815 "Soooo.......you think the right should abandon everyone who cares about abortion, gay marriage, contraception, and the like?"

NO!!!!

I am saying the exact opposite!

Blacks and hispanics are socially conservative. They vote Dem for the free goodies.

You can't run on a platform of taking away their goodies and expect to get their votes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 06:55 AM (uhAkr)

816
Block all the major news networks and sign up for BlazeTV.
Fight back with the power of the purse.

They want to be arms of the gov't, fine.
But I won't be a part of it.

Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 06:56 AM (fKyrY)

817 You're right. Barry and Mooch may well be the unhappiest people in the country this morning ;-) Posted by: Anne B. at November 07, 2012 06:47 AM (f3owF)

They are puppets, extremely pampered and well paid puppets. The socialists behind them are elated. They have four more years to finalize their agenda.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 06:57 AM (kXoT0)

818 Independents stayed at home. Unpleasant ads, etc, not a competitive race in most states, demoralizing gridlock in Wash. that was not corrected by 2010 elections. If it helps you feel better, by rough estimates Obama lost about 10 million voters from 2008 and Romney lost about 3 million voters from McCain's 2008 totals. Thus, a close percentage race --both bases turned out and independents including leaners stayed home. Repubs must do a better job microtargeting leaners and getting them to the polls.

Posted by: wg at November 07, 2012 06:57 AM (/o7V4)

819 America is dead to me...

Posted by: Former Patriot at November 07, 2012 06:57 AM (vYB+W)

820 Wondering how much, if anything, third party votes affected the outcome.

Offhand I thought it would be a wash (taking as many votes from Obama as from Romney). Has there been any analysis on this?

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 06:58 AM (tUcg9)

821 770

Fuck every last one of them. They OWN it now. I am going to be an ugly person to be around from now until the collapse. Schadenboners for all. Obamacare fucks you, your kids, or your parents? I'll laugh in your face and remind you that you OWN it. Obamaployment? Same. Obamafinancials? Same same.
And when the collapse comes? I'm going Quantrill's Raiders on people.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 06:58 AM (d0Dmj)

822 As I mentioned earlier, a run on guns is inevitable. The collapse ain't gonna be pretty.

Posted by: wierd flunky at November 07, 2012 06:58 AM (X+nFp)

823 Thanks for your efforts to warn and inform. Now for the great leap forward comrades. Hooray for the 50% and hopefully doubling down on failure works out for ya. Bush is available for fall guy duties when the golden utopia doesn't work out.

Posted by: American Pie at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (Kflw4)

824 I'm reposting this because it got italicized.

Why do people keep saying that the demographics will be so hard to surmount?

In this very election, after a full summer of lying assaults by the Democrats, running against the First Black President, whose bungling and crimes have been kept out of the public eye by the state-run media, resulting in Barry maintaining his façade of intelligence and pragmatism, a corny, old-fashioned, odd, time-traveling MORMON from a bygone era got within one percentage point of succeeding!

This election isn't the sea change you think it is.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (SI/pw)

825 I guess the summer of negative ads probably hurt us more than we will admit. At least it will be somewhat fair for the next election.

Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (M/XKe)

826 "What you're not taking into account is that never before has the mainstream media hidden so much of a president's failings and crimes.

If the electorate had been as informed as the average Ace of Spades HQ reader, Romney would've won by forty percentage points. This election does not signify a major shift in Americans' values"
.

Again, you're arguing against results. In the past, American values - as evidenced by precedent - would have yielded an easy Romney win. Clearly the values (strong economy, functional foreign policy) have changed.


Your argument also hinges on that really big and demonstrably delusional "IF" leading off that second paragraph. Rumors of the media's death have apparently been greatly exaggerated and the public buys off on what they say. This will continue.

The calls for single payer will be deafening. The MBM will lead the charge. The electorate will buy off on it. Obamacare is not going anywhere now.

You'll see that I'm right because I'm basing it on current evidence, not some idealized vision of what I think America should be. The electorate has changed.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (uD2fR)

827 Shit. I laid down and got up because I thought it was morning and it is only 4 am where I am. And the two assholes are still yammering, still megaposting, and still condescending.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (C4dFv)

828 One thing is also self-evident, the only women who are allowed elected power are loony toon Liberals with zero or phony accomplishments like Hillary. McMahon and Whitman both chose poor battlegrounds, but, they were successful, wealthy women, who poured their heart, soul, and money into getting a Senate seat and were turned down.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (kXoT0)

829
OH made a lot of r vote provisional ballots ( I saw 2 when I was voting).

They aren't counted for 10 days.

Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 07:00 AM (fKyrY)

830 Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (fKyrY)

momma, you're right and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. An Obama 2012 sign just got put up yesterday a couple doors down from my parents house in their nice upper-middle class suburb of Los Angeles, CA. Prime Obama Territory. Why do I mention? Because it was the first I've seen in this neighborhood this entire election season, when in 2008 the Obama yard signs were ubiquitous- several on their street alone.

I just saw my what I believe was the first Obama2012 bumper sticker on Ventura Blvd. in Encino a few days ago. Four years ago you'd see dozens everyday. In the past few months I've seen Romney/Ryan bumper stickers in this neighborhood which is just unthinkable in this area which has been represented by Left-Wing Henry Waxman types since forever.

The paid trolls can blame the Evangelicals, or the So Cons, or the racist anti-Dreamer Teabaggers all they want- or even the Jews- but no one will get me to doubt my own eyes.

I have too much first-hand experience with the overwhelming disillusionment that previous Obama voters feel towards him now. A dozen people just among immediate friends and family that voted enthusiastically for Obama in 2008 and either were not voting this time or were not sure about voting Obama and two who actually switched to vote Romney.

I saw clearly what was coming yesterday and what finally showed up wasn't it.

We've been had.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (Z6XSF)

831 @797: there are popular aspects, but the program as a whole continues to poll in the vicinity of syphilis. I think it's quite possible to run against it.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (OevbG)

832 RondinellaBambina said to me this morning,
"Look at the bright side, Mom, he'll NEVER be elected again."

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (53riN)

833 my prediction is a nuclear exchange within the next 4 years with the dems apologizing for us getting vaporized

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (qWu3+)

834 Im glad I canceled cable. Really, I only use my TV for Netflix now. The more we have people who spend more time watching MSM and every other bit of garbage on tv, spending more time in hollywood gossip and sports 24/7, the more this countries problems will continue.

Still beyond shocked at the low turn out, given the support we saw at Romney events. I dont claim to being very smart, but such a drop for our side I just cant understand. Obama dropped by nearly 9 million votes and we still lost, because people stayed home. I just dont understand saying home in such large numbers. I heard over and over about huge record lines yesterday, and then we see a huge drop in numbers.

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (Gr8DF)

835 811 ...


Here's a napkin. You've still got a little of Obama's jizz dripping off your chin.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 06:54 AM (zF6Iw)

You better keep that napkin to wipe Obama's jizz out of your anus where he just fucked you.

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:02 AM (HL0e9)

836 1996 – 94,683,948
2000 – 101,455,899 (+7%)
2004 – 121,069,054 (+19%)
2008 – 129,389,711 (+7%)
2012 – 115,562,372 (-11%)

(O O). That's fucked up.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 07:02 AM (HKONC)

837 825
I guess the summer of negative ads probably hurt us more than we will
admit. At least it will be somewhat fair for the next election.


Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (M/XKe)

Explain how it will be fair the next election? What changes? Media will still cover and campaign for liberals. Hollywood will as well. And half the country will still pay more attention to celeb gossip and sports than anything else. What changes?

Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 07:04 AM (Gr8DF)

838 I don't know. I really really do not understand what
happened last night. I can't match up what seemed to be happening on
the ground with the actual vote totals. None of it makes sense to me.
It's like I woke up in Bizarro World. It feels surreal.


===================

This is exactly how I'm feeling. This makes no sense. I do not understand it. I don't think I ever will.....
My daughter called us crying last night. It was difficult to come up with any comforting words......

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2012 07:05 AM (X6akg)

839 new thread

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 07, 2012 07:05 AM (feFL6)

840 Llarry: How many countries have you lived in, by the way?

Two. Traveled through most of Central and a bit of South America. Not nearly enough to turn native but did get some flavor many years ago.

And a good number of Central and South Americans are now living, legally and not, in the United States. And they are Homo sapiens just as we are while importing their own heritage with the active promotion that they balkanize and not melt in our pot.

So blow that appeal to authority up your ass, too.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 07:05 AM (eHIJJ)

841 That's where I am. Maybe you're being sarcastic, but I mean it.

I mean it too. The path Obama is on is simply unsustainable. That which can't go on, won't.

Obama is our Gorbachev. I just hope our collapse/resurrection is as quick and clean as it was for the Soviet Union. They got the whole deal done and pretty much completed in under 20 years...which historically is very very fast.

Not being a command/control economy like the Soviets were, we got more economic entanglements that need to be unwound/repudiated though, and that may take longer before it all settles out.

The Soviets were more used to hardship than Americans are too. I expect more civil unrest here than the Soviets had

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 07:05 AM (HDTVy)

842 779 Rollory in the other active thread posted a comment that I think bears thinking about.
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I think Rollory is right.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 07:06 AM (Thv6H)

843 "Why do people keep saying that the demographics will be so hard to surmount?"
Because demographic data clearly suggests that Democrat constituent groups will increase in numbers significantly, while Republicans will decline.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (uD2fR)

844 Already with the "Obama will own it" and "They will take the blame for the collapsed dollar".

Me thinks some do not realize the gravity of the situation.
I'm done fooling myself on what I wanted to believe that the American people were.
I just read an article on how Tim Geitner is talking about needing extraordinary measures to keep the house of cards propped up, wait until you see what our majority of the House Republicans do, they we're so astute last time that they forked over a trillion in military spending, this time, I don't want to think about it.
So what it all boils down to is simply that you cannot blame Obama or Romney, blame the invisible guy and gal next to you, they be the ones that changed it all.

Posted by: Drider at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (PsHkt)

845 rightlysouthern: I'm looking at the CNN results which have The One at 59,007,819 for 50%, and Romney at 56,649,246 for 48%. 303 Obama EVs to to 206 Romney EVs.

Not close to a mandate for The One. But that never stopped the Leftists from claiming one.

This is a massive disappointment. We cannot surrender! If the Republican Party won't be reformed and strengthened, then we must do what we can elsewhere. Perhaps this is the time to look upon the Republican Party as the modern Whigs, and let it die. A new party? Push for the Republican Senate candidates, while invigorating a new Liberty-based party?

We gotta do sumpin'! 'Sides, any American political Party that could elect Alan Grayson to the US House, and re-elect Wasserman-Schultz, needs to be destroyed, root and branch!

Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 07:07 AM (8vYXA)

846 Again, you're arguing against results

No. I'm disputing the notion that this election is evidence of a sea change in the electorate.

You bolster my position by admitting that the electorate isn't informed.

That's my point. For some reason lots of people on this thread have concluded that because people are uniformed, it means that they've embraced statism and reject traditional American values. That conclusion isn't supported by the evidence.

The exit polling shows only that people still blame bush for the economy and think Obama needs more time to fix it. They also felt that Romney's policies would favor the rich, which they felt would be unfair in this time of economic turmoil.

They were wrong, but being wrong doesn't mean that they've embraced statism. It just means they're dolts.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:08 AM (SI/pw)

847 That's the strange thing---the feeling I just can't shake about something being off, not adding up, not fitting together in last night's results to make sense. The takers and progressives that are so giddy today will be frantic when they discover the law of unintended consequences is still very much in effect in the universe.

Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 07, 2012 07:08 AM (9zugO)

848 As I have posted before, take care of yourselves, there will be abortions and contraception handed out like candy because sex keeps people hypnotized and sex without any responsibility is the best legal drug going. As the song goes, up against the wall, Redneck Motherf...., because the healthcare rationing will be real and it will be decided by clerks too dumb to work at the DMV. So if you smoke, quit. If you are overweight, go on a diet. If you don't exercise, start. If you or a loved one has a serious and therefore, expensive medical condition, you had best be some skin tone OTW (Other Than White).

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 07:08 AM (kXoT0)

849 I know you didn't, Baldy, just pointing Dems relative degree of anti-Mormon prejudice is a moot point.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:08 AM (SKX2R)

850 I saw clearly what was coming yesterday and what finally showed up wasn't it.

We've been had.
Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 07:01 AM (Z6XSF)


I'm not going all conspiracy, but something is just not right. Will be interested in an explanation of about 22 million votes simply not happening, when the trend was consistently upward for over 14 years.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 07:09 AM (HKONC)

851 They were wrong, but being wrong doesn't mean that they've embraced statism. It just means they're dolts.

As a practical matter, there seems to be no difference.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 07:10 AM (HDTVy)

852 Because demographic data clearly suggests that Democrat constituent
groups will increase in numbers significantly, while Republicans will
decline.


The demographics weren't the problem in this election, because the GOP increased its seats in the House and won the largest number of governorships in history.

And Romney came within one percentage point of matching Obama.

How the hell did a corny Mormon manage that, especially since the entire media was carrying Obama's water?

You're greatly overstating the power of demographics.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:11 AM (SI/pw)

853 "You better keep that napkin to wipe Obama's jizz out of your anus where he just fucked you.

Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:02 AM (HL0e9)"



Heh. No Sparky, that's your anus he's coming for and in.

I can't wait for all the middle class libs to screech and holler when their taxes go up. Be sure to waddle in here in early '14 and tell us how much you loved getting ass raped by your own messiah.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 07:12 AM (uD2fR)

854 The ONLY way that will happen is to force the MFM to infight. You know, compete and actually watchdog each other instead of colluding like complete traitorous cowards.Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM That's almost what I've been thinking since last night. We need to take the lame stream bastards out.

Posted by: Elise at November 07, 2012 07:13 AM (4w7BT)

855 >>> Still beyond shocked at the low turn out, given the support we saw at Romney events. I dont claim to being very smart, but such a drop for our side I just cant understand.

A majority of GOP supporters including evangelicals and other Christians really jazzed about what a great candidate Mitt Romney was and how much they hated Obama.

A significant minority of Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon, so stayed home.

Is that at least a possibility?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (SKX2R)

856 841 Yes, I don't think that paradigm change, or whatever kind of hackneyed phrase can describe it, is going to be accomplished through the REpublican party. That brand is just too tarnished. Look, at least of a couple of the remaining republicans in house from Cal got defeated, as few as there are from California, they want to get rid of the ones they've got.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (KDAAY)

857 As a practical matter, there seems to be no difference.

Of course there's a difference! Stupid people can be taught. Ideologues can't.

Remember when Romney brought out the whiteboard? He only did that ONCE. There's something cultural about Republican politicians that prevents them from doing things differently. Everyone still remembers Perot's charts.

We lost this by ONE FUCKING PERCENTAGE POINT. Romney was within striking distance.

The country is not a lost cause. Not yet. It will be if everyone adopts your attitude and gives up.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:16 AM (SI/pw)

858 >>> I'm not going all conspiracy, but something is just not right. Will be interested in an explanation of about 22 million votes simply not happening, when the trend was consistently upward for over 14 years.

This is the first non-Christian the GOP has ever had at the head of the ticket.

Committed Christians is the core GOP constituency.

Do you think there might not be a connection?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:17 AM (SKX2R)

859 I made bold predictions and stuck to them. I was obviously wrong.

I lay in bed this morning after a mostly sleepless night and watched my twin 4 year olds playing with their stuffed animals while they snuggled with me. I worry about what the future holds for them, and for us as a nation. I don't know that I worry more now than I did last night, or 6 months ago. The worries are the same worries.

Our next door neighbors are two lovely people and good friends. They are female, same-sex partners. We have been as close as two neighboring households could be over the four years we've lived next to each other. Cutting each others' grass, gardening together, shared holidays and dinners. My wife commutes to the same employer every morning with one of the women.

They both voted Obama because despite every other single issue, they were convinced that they would be possibly jailed for being gay, should Romney win. Both even said that in virtually every other way Obama deserved to lose their votes from 2008. But they voted the single issue of the gay thing.

The two men who represented our party both have nearly twenty years in public life in business and public office. Neither of them has any history whatsoever of even the mildest hostility to gays, let alone having ever pursued any kind of punitive public policies against gays. This is a matter of very public factual record.

We have lived day-to-day as conservatives next to these women. Romney and Ryan have clear records accessible to anyone who cares to look. Yet, despite their public records and our personal example, these two intelligent women still believed these crazy ideas about "secret plans" to hurt gays and voted accordingly.

I am personally very hurt that these two ladies, to whom we have shown nothing but love and friendship, would think so ill of those we would support despite our personal example every day of who we "really" are. Why would they think we would ever support someone who would want to hurt them?

What more can be done when people who are otherwise intelligent simply
will not be persuaded? Who willfully refuse to be persuaded? Who will ignore objective data that even they, themselves, concede is true? Who ignore even multiple years of personal experience with the supporters of a candidate as to that candidate's character and intentions?

The Lord gives us only so much cross as we can bear. We have been blessed as a people for a long time in this country. We endured a terrible Civil War that cost over 600,000 lives. There are many very fine places to live in the world that are far more socialist than we are.

The world hasn't ended. America will go on and so must we. Teaching our kids what we believe to be the right way to live and trusting in the Lord to provide his grace.

I thank Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, and everyone on their team, for leaving it all on the field. Everything that could be done was.

My late father always said that the American people get what they deserve, for good or ill. We are still a sharply divided nation. Half of us want one thing and the other half want another thing. I have no idea how these mutually exclusive desires ever resolve.



Posted by: trumpetdaddy at November 07, 2012 07:17 AM (dcoFe)

860 A significant minority of Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon, so stayed home.

I'm Roman Catholic and that never entered into my head since I first heard the name Romney. Never. Then again, I don't get the fire and brimstone folks, either.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (HKONC)

861 "They were wrong, but being wrong doesn't mean that they've embraced statism. It just means they're dolts."

And my point is that they aren't going to change. Meaning that they will remain dolts and that they will continue to fuck us all with their ignorance. Voting Republican locals is great and all, but when we're having a serious "debate" in the media about single payer in 2015, you come back here and tell me how the electorate hasn't changed.

Fiscal responsibility used to be a traditional American value. After last night, not anymore. And that's the only value that matters right now.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (uD2fR)

862 855 "A significant minority of Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon, so stayed home.

Is that at least a possibility?"

It absolutely *was* a looming problem for Romney around the middle of the year. It *may* have gone away in the meantime, as people resigned themselves to voting against Obama - or it may have remained a problem. Either way, there's no need to speculate too much about it now - there will be solid information available in the next few days, if there isn't already.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (DJgfL)

863 Perhaps this is the time to look upon the Republican Party as the modern Whigs, and let it die.

Yes. They are just too comfortable in their role as a cog in the leviathan, or administrative welfare state. As Obama said, change will not come from within Washington, not with the modern republican party with its percs and lobbyists and consultants and other hangers on. I'm interested in joining any kind of viable third party movement.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (KDAAY)

864 Wish I could laugh. The takers killed the Golden Goose. Did these 47%er assholes really believe that RR was gonna make them homeless and starving?
.
Well, the "lab" will be going 24/7 now. If the country is to be destroyed, I'd like my "Worlds Greatest Hutch-Meth" to play a part in it.
No more just selling to the teachers, Head start kids now get a discount!

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 07, 2012 07:20 AM (e7S3p)

865 Samwise, however much they're paying you, it's too much. You've gotten too obvious. You had all your nice anti-Evangelical talking points all lined up, didn't you?

But now, you're butt-crack's showing.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 07:21 AM (Z6XSF)

866 Llarry is making excellent points. Add in a little anti-mormonism here, a little fatigue from the long primary season, and you get this result.

I think Dems did get jazzed up during Akin with Murdock follow up , and the 1st debate shocked them into caring.

Also, most folks are low information, now used to the bad economy and vote on optics.

I bet blame Bush works until 2020. And that is not a joke. People like that. A solid reason for their woes. Look how FDR is lionized.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 07:23 AM (NV30n)

867 A significant minority of Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon, so stayed home.
Is that at least a possibility?

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (SKX2R)


Yes, it's a possibility.Anything is possible.

It's gathering some evidence that supports that possibility instead of pure conjecture that counts as real analysis.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 07:24 AM (uD2fR)

868 Stop bashing Samwise.

It may not be the Evangelicsals.

It may be a lot of employee type people see Mitt, heard the attack ads and figured they would be safer in the current world then in one where ...who knows what they are thinking.

I think Romney Ryan did great as candidates.

2014/2016 will be interesting.

You can roll back a lot of stuff when there is no more money.

See Canada in the 90's and now.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 07:29 AM (NV30n)

869 He'll be considered a great president as long as there is a hurricane every month.

Posted by: edj at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (+QKfp)

870 My late father always said that the American people get what they
deserve, for good or ill. We are still a sharply divided nation. Half of
us want one thing and the other half want another thing. I have no idea
how these mutually exclusive desires ever resolve.


Here's another saying: "Beware what you wish for. You just might get it."

I have a feeling your vacuous neighbors and everybody else so thrilled by last night will be singing a different tune in a couple of years.

Oppression has a way of uniting people. When Obama starts killing the coal industry in earnest, the howls of protest from the swing states will be music to my ears.

Not out of Schadenfreude, but because it'll mean people are finally waking up and living with the consequences of their bad decisions.

Some things are inevitable. I created a permanent family rift by trying to prevent my nephew from enlisting in the army because he and his parents lied about his asthma and OCD. Both are automatic disqualifying conditions for service.

The recruiters promised me that they'd keep my information confidential, but they lied and told my sister what I'd said. She and her family no longer speak to me, and my nephew hates me now. On top of it all, the army accepted him into the Chemical Corps. Asthmatics have been known to die in the training, so he may not make it.

But this rift was inevitable, given my sister and brother-in-law's values. It had to happen sooner or later.

What we're seeing now in the country was inevitable, too, which is why I'm not as upset as some. But we can come back from it if we work really hard at it. And as I said, oppression and lack of opportunity tend to unite people.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (SI/pw)

871 I think Romney and Ryan WERE great candidates.

But I'm suspecting that wasn't enough with a certain segment of usual GOP voters.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM (SKX2R)

872 BTW, about low information voters. I know many very political lefties who are very low information...like they say "Geithner is doing fine."

Seriously? Neil Barofsky (sp?) A democrat watchdog over TARP and the Stimulus says Geithner sucks.

I think a lot on the left don't mind the stinky corruption of their own kind...but over time, this is what gets them.

Though without media coverage...

Did our alt media do bad this election though?

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (NV30n)

873 Speaking as an evangelical the Mormon affiliation of Romney never bothered me. I vote for the good of the country, as I understand it. A candidate's religion is usually unimportant, to me. It would be another thing entirely should the candidate claim to be a devout Muslim.

Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (8vYXA)

874 I'm beginning to think the really unscrupulous high IQ people like Axelrod and Rahm are much more concentrated at the top of the Democratic Party than REpublican. They are so much smarter than the average voter they can use their intelligence to bamboozle and manipulate them. That's why the democrats are so successful. There are tons of these people - high-powered lawyers, advertising, media people arrayed against the Republicans. God we're screwed. And they make mince meat out of poor schlubs like Akin.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 07:33 AM (KDAAY)

875 >>> I'm beginning to think the really unscrupulous high IQ people like Axelrod and Rahm are much more concentrated at the top of the Democratic Party than REpublican.

I don't know how smart those two specifically are.

But I think there's something to what you say.

Democrats have the scientists, after all. The also have demographics with the lowest IQs.

I believe Republicans have the middle.

I am massively, grossly over-simplifying.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:36 AM (SKX2R)

876 @Samwise, I think some state comparisons can be done to see if this is true. Where does Huckabee come from? Yeah, compare that state turnout with Ohio on a per Evangelical basis. The effect should be stronger in Arkansas than Ohio too.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 07:36 AM (NV30n)

877 Doomed,
It will be better next election because Obama won't have primary money to spend. Both sides will fight it out. That's what I meant by somewhat fair. The media will still be in the tank for liberals, but the negative ads that framed the debate won't be there as early.

Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (M/XKe)

878 Save us, Donald Trump!


Heh. Ok, I'm half serious on that one.

Posted by: Book at November 07, 2012 07:37 AM (GYXSA)

879 Fiscal responsibility used to be a traditional American value. After last night, not anymore.

You're wrong. Last night the electorate did vote--in it's ignorant, uninformed way--for fiscal responsibility.

They supported Obama because he promised them economic recovery, and he demonized Romney as a champion of the wealthy, who would give his buddies tax breaks while making up the resulting loss of revenue by raising taxes on the middle class.

That was the entire spiel of the Democrats. Obama was cast as the real fiscal conservative, remember? And Romney would bring back those awful, irresponsible Bush policies that got us into this mess in the first place.

We need better spokespeople, that's all. The electorate is open to fiscal responsibility. Last night's vote actually proved it, in an upside-down, perverse, Bizarro World way.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:38 AM (SI/pw)

880 No, sorry, you do not have to be smart to promise people stuff. Its pretty easy. In business we refer to this when you say getting sales is easy, making money is hard.

Also, I think the problem with Akin is as follows:

1) He was assisted with money by opponent...I believe in an open primary. Stop open primaries.

2) He thought he was just running in Missouri and was not a national candidate.

3) He was never taught how to simply answer an abortion answer when trying to win votes from pro-choice voters - which so-cons should really consider thinking about.

4) He is an idiot.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 07:42 AM (NV30n)

881 Samwise- your butt-crack. It's hairy and cavernous and studded with dingleberries. Please straighten up and cover it.

And take your "Evangelicals stabbed us in the back" prepared talking points back for revision.

You're much too obvious.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 07:43 AM (Z6XSF)

882 24 hours after I got home from the polls and the votes are STILL being "processed" for Florida? Sheesh!

You can check the running totals nationally at http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main

Still a 50% to 48% split.

Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 07:43 AM (8vYXA)

883 I feel sorry for my Grandson. I'm going to learn how to get Obama's stash and sit on my ass and wait for the government. Going to raise the prices in our business....if we don't close it. Why keep it open if all I'm doing is making money to send to Obama. People actually elected this asshole and Biden again? They did not elect Allen West? They elected a fucking fake indian? You gotta be shitting me! Turning off Rush, Beck, and Fox because I simply don't give a shit anymore.

Posted by: Barry S at November 07, 2012 07:44 AM (00mU5)

884 >>> And take your "Evangelicals stabbed us in the back" prepared talking points back for revision.

Prepared by who? Who could care at this point? Unless you think I'm paid by Richard Dawkins.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:45 AM (SKX2R)

885 Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (
I'm the black sheep in my family for being a Repub. My family, on paper at least, are conservative. Successful enterpreneurs, conservation minded land owners, pro-life ralliers etc..Except Pedophile dem neighbors are OK, 'cuz he just clicked on the wrong website .........1100 times!
But the mutherfuckers pull the straight "DROOGY LEEEVER" for donks. My mom has a pic w/Biden! Suckers of cock to feel special. I couldn't care less if Mitt knows where Pa is on a map. I wanted a little sanity, not emotion.
Fuck them. They only call when they need shit. I got a new version of "Grab (my)Bag" this X-mas!

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (e7S3p)

886 "We need better spokespeople, that's all. The electorate is open to fiscal responsibility. Last night's vote actually proved it, in an upside-down, perverse, Bizarro World way."

No. The problem is the media never holds the Dems to be accountable for their promises and actions.

When Romney did well in the 1st debate is when he asked questions like "didn't you promise to cut the deficit?"

Heck, the list of stuff Barry has gotten away with is so long...within a month of being elected he'd already broken his pledge to have a 5 day comment period on new laws!

We cannot fix the media. Thus, so many people are very upset.

Wait until we do sequestration because Barry "won" and will refuse any deals.

The blame will still hit us.

Only after Woodwards book came out was there any inkling that Obama reneged.

Do you Boehner kept quiet? I don't. I think the media just provides so much cover that they get away with it.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 07:46 AM (NV30n)

887 Another reason Obamacare won't stand is the acute shortage of doctors it'll cause. The few doctors left will be overworked and indifferent.

This won't last for long. And once we institute the German and French method of stabilizing the patient at the scene instead of immediately transporting them to the hospital, thus ensuring that more people die that get expensive treatments for accidents or heart disease, the lawyers will line up.

Litigation will increase a thousand fold, and the new government exchanges will be put out of business, because the litigation will offset the saving incurred by letting the patient die.

We won't stand for that for very long. And since Obama has obligingly embraced he name "Obamacare," he gets the blame.

He's not God. At some point there will be a real preference cascade and he'll be exposed.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (SI/pw)

888 Well, it looks like another home-made Christmas in Kentucky. Or wherever the hell it is I'm from.

Posted by: Book at November 07, 2012 07:48 AM (GYXSA)

889 So-cons...you didn't stab us in the back, but the people you like kept saying stuff like:

"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something."

legitimate...next to the word rape...awesome...

And then, the next logical thought is that if a woman was raped and got pregnancy, why Akin thinks she was secretly turned on and asking for it...

War on Women then becomes viable for some Romney leaning women...who vote Obama.

Now, Akin is one guy, and if every evangelical in the world had told him to quit, he would have.

But some of you, like Huckabee, and others must have told him "You are awesome...God is telling you to keep going."

I hate to open up this old wound, but this probably did hurt.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 07:51 AM (NV30n)

890 @ 887, maybe. We do have more lawyers than in Europe. What that says to me is they pass a law banning these kinds of lawsuits.

Our economy can still be milked for a while.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 07:53 AM (NV30n)

891 No. The problem is the media never holds the Dems to be accountable for their promises and actions.

But the GOP has yet to accept that. Once they do, they can devise a workaround.

While a defeat, this election brought Romney to within one percentage point of victory. In 2008 Obama beat McCain by seven points.

With a nominee who can explain our troubles, the solutions, and stay away from the rape-trap and the vagina-talk, we can still win.

But we also need nominees who will punch back twice as hard. Romney did it for a while, but I think he got worried that he would seem less presidential if he demolished Obama, so he held back. It cost him.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:59 AM (SI/pw)

892 We do have more lawyers than in Europe. What that says to me is they pass a law banning these kinds of lawsuits.

Not when the lawyers are the biggest donors and lobbyists.

Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 08:00 AM (SI/pw)

893 "Towards the end of Obama's next 4 years, I'd expect power rationing in some areas."

And you know which areas will be targeted so that poor people and minorities won't have to shiver and suffer without heating, don't you?

Move to a warmer place.

I really almost wish the Dems had retaken the House. At best, Boehner should just give them everything they want. They'll take it anyway.

Posted by: spotted reptile at November 07, 2012 08:05 AM (OFIz8)

894 posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:45 AM (SKX2R)

Show me your data. These detailed reports you've gathered to support the very specific allegation you've made that 18,500,000 Evangelicals stayed home last night.

Funny how no one mentioned this scenario as a serious liability for a prospective Romney candidacy during the nomination- which is when it would have been raised if it was thought to be a legitimate issue which could seriously damage him in the general election. Funny how Catholics turned out for the Mormon. Funny that it was never brought up at any time this summer and fall and how no one mentioned this during the non-stop on-air numbers crunching sessions over the last few days and weeks.

It only pops up for discussion now that you've raised it persistently this evening.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 08:06 AM (Z6XSF)

895 Sexypig,

I'm a social conservative, and I didn't support Huckabee in the primaries. I supported the candidates with the most ideas to fix our economic woes (which is more important to me) and make our government smaller.

Some years ago, I saw that my peers were morally confused, and we simply continue to plunge beyond the line of despair and depravity. Government shouldn't be in charge of repairing morality, in my mind. But it should at least have a framework of economic prosperity that encourages people to do their best, have opportunity to use their talents and skills to make a living, and to live in some relative safety and security.

I would've supported Romney over Huckabee. (And I personally think mormonism is a cult.) And you can blame so-cons all you want, but I think you'd be wrong. The people most offended by those sort of statements were dim-witted women who get all emotional over voting with their lady-parts and emotions. Those idiots were already in Obama's pockets cuddling up to him.

I think if you look closely, most of the people voting for Obama were simply racist and/or have no understanding of our economy and how an economy can make an individual free or enslaved. I truly believe public school education has made a huge difference these last four decades for liberal indoctrination. . . it's not the teachers who necessarily suck. It's what the kids are being taught and what's being emphasized. It's ever so subtle, but what is left out of our educations is as bad as what is taught.

Posted by: Ohioisnotparadise at November 07, 2012 08:14 AM (W5c4e)

896 Is this what things have become, like fucking Groundhog Day? Will we repeat this every four years and wake up the next day to the tune of "Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow?" Shit, I feel like that fat turd Michael Moore felt after Bush's election.

Posted by: Glen at November 07, 2012 08:16 AM (K1CbB)

897 But the thing about Michael Moore. . . uh, he is still living in the same comfort and prosperity. You and me will most likely NOT be as comfortable in 4 more years.

His feeling was faux. Your's is real.

Posted by: Ohioisnotparadise at November 07, 2012 08:19 AM (W5c4e)

898 Those of you condemning social conservatives, I heard you. You don't want me in the party.

So I stayed home. And so did all the other evangelicals.

Go hand out free condoms and free abortions. Go encourage broken families, and discourage personal (and sexual) responsibility. You go see how you can get away with doing that and not end up with a citizenry dependent on government handouts.

Posted by: social conservative at November 07, 2012 08:35 AM (qfJpa)

899 >>> Funny how no one mentioned this scenario as a serious liability for a prospective Romney candidacy during the nomination-

I did. At the time I did over and over again.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=324619#c16710867

Using username Random before I chose this much cooler one.

Although later Mitt sold me. Look, I'm not blaming Mitt. I'm just wondering if I was right after all when I said:

Legal Insurrection and Jonathan Last have some sobering observations
about Mitt's vaunted electability. Others have linked this today.


http://legalinsurrection.com/?p=12789


Mitt isn't electable nor is Huntsman. No way 2 Mormons get the right wing Christian base's support en masse.

That's how I see it. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 08:52 AM (SKX2R)

900 I hope those who voted for Obama are the first ones who family members die under the rules of Obamacare.

I will laugh.

Posted by: I forgot at November 07, 2012 09:01 AM (HNE+c)

901 "No. The problem is the media never holds the Dems to be accountable for their promises and actions.

But the GOP has yet to accept that. Once they do, they can devise a workaround."

Exactly...make it so there is no way to get the blame - i..e. only accept open negotiations. Only accept negotiations once the Dems have agreed and passed their plan through the Senate.


"But we also need nominees who will punch back twice as hard. Romney did it for a while, but I think he got worried that he would seem less presidential if he demolished Obama, so he held back. It cost him."

I think he did fine. Double-edged swords and all. Obama has not passed a budget in 3 years. 99% of Dems don't even know that. When I told dems that they looked sort of astounded, and then told me they didn't care and that abortion was their issue.

I normally would say abandon pro-life and anti-gay stuff, but the evangelicals can't be asked to vote against their beliefs...this is a quandary. I am not religious but respect those who are...not sure what to do on that issue.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 09:18 AM (NV30n)

902 Look (to quote Obama. LOL) I am A SoCon, and an Evangelical. I do NOT vote based on Abortion stances. I do NOT vote based on Gay stances, either. If those issues are on the ballot, then I vote on them. Otherwise I vote for the most conservative candidate available.

No, I will NOT vote for a Muslim. I think we all know enough about them that voting for one is tantamount to suicide. But voting for a Mormon, a Catholic, a Jew, or an Atheist, is not a problem. The campaigns are not about religious issues. We are not voting for a Church Council. We are voting for Government in the secular realm. That's all.

And that's how I vote.

*sigh* I had such HIGH HOPES for Romney/Ryan.

Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 09:55 AM (8vYXA)

903 @32 This is more like Sulla in Rome than Caesar. What scares me more is who the Caesar will be in say 16 years and what that means for him abdicating power...

Posted by: DocBallerPHD at November 07, 2012 11:52 AM (kfUeK)

904 Allahpundit is one of the smartest people out there, and this is his take on it, looking at exit polls:

One question I’m seeing in the comments is, “Did evangelicals turn out for Romney”? Yep, looks that way. Turnout among Protestants generally dropped slightly from 2008 (54% to 53%) but Romney’s share of the vote increased from 54% to 57%. Among white evangelicals specifically, turnout was steady at 26% of the electorate from four years ago and Romney took 78% of the vote compared to just 74% for McCain. If you’d rather slice the data by how often people go to church, the number who attend at least weekly rose from 39% in 2008 to 42% this time. McCain won 55% of that group. Romney won 59%. He improved on McCain’s numbers among Jewish voters too, from 21% of the vote in 2008 to 30% this time (or maybe more), the highest take for a Republican since 1988. If there’s any religious group that underperformed for him, it’s Catholics. He did improve on McCain’s numbers — from 45% to 48% — but O still won a majority despite the abortion-rights jamboree at the convention and the contraception mandate. Catholic turnout was down two points this time, however.

The interest in the comments in evangelicals, I think, is due to people looking at Romney’s popular vote total and wondering where all the votes went. McCain won just shy of 60 million votes in 2008. As I’m writing this, Politico’s popular vote tracker has Romney at 57.6 million. Where’d all the votes go? Possible answer: Nowhere. They’re out there, they just haven’t been counted yet, says John Podhoretz
http://goo.gl/Gaabn

Podhoretz is also someone whose opinion I value.

I think it was and is a valid hypothesis to look at, but the tale must be told by the numbers.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:37 PM (SKX2R)






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