Picking up the pieces... [tmi3rd]

1) It seems to me that the only retail politics that have flown over the last five years have been the Oprah "Here's your free shit" stuff.

2) We seem to lack true believers among much of our professional political class on our side. And I don't mean you, Rick. I mean the folks inside the Beltway in particular.

3) Drew brought up a good point in a phone conversation during last year's NHL playoffs... there's a big gap between that which works in terms of getting elected to the House and that which works in the Senate and presidential runs. I think it's less a question of message and more a question of polish. Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock are shining examples of that.

4) We've reached a point that all of us dreaded- I question whether we can sell austerity to a country that has gone whole-hog for free shit. Depending on the outcome of the popular vote, that may be underscored further.

5) To my horror, the nation has decided that it makes most sense to punish producers. As you'll recall, the Bush tax rates expire January 1st. We're not France (yet), but watching John Boehner's track record gives me very little cause for optimism. At this point, the question will be more of who can manage entitlements better.

6) We're going to spend the next four years praying that the conservative wing of the Supreme Court stays healthy and hangs in there, in the faint hope that the Senate can be flipped (for all the good that did us this time) and that a conservative president can be elected.

Realistically, who is out there that can take on and defeat Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo, Hillary Clinton, or someone not on our radar?
Will the House go after Obama on Benghazi?

Finally...

Where do we as a conservative movement need to do the most soul-searching? It seems to matter little that the movement has largely de-emphasized social issues, so long as the media still controls the narrative in the country. As long as we face that uphill battle (particularly with the execrable Fox as our standard-bearer), we're ice-skating uphill.

Krauthammer said last night in his postmortem that the message doesn't need to change, other than to chase the growing Latino vote. I'm not necessarily sure that's the case.

As a movement, having been rejected by the nation twice now in five years, it is incumbent upon us to do the introspection we accuse the other side of being unwilling to undertake. We have played strong retail politics, only to have our message undercut by a hostile media. That does not obscure the fact that WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG in communicating our message.

If we cannot communicate the rightness of our message, in a way that overwhelms the negativity of the left, then we will continue to self-marginalize. I do not see any positive message that came out of the opposing campaign; quite the contrary, it was purely a demonization of Romney. Despite the absolute lack of any positive agenda, the other side triumphed.

We may need a complete overhaul. We may not. But we need to have some serious introspective discussions- perhaps even fights- about what our priorities are going forward. Let it begin here. Let it begin now- not by pointing fingers at one another, but by starting with what we did not do in 2008... define conservatism in simple, sellable terms, and build from there.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:27 PM



Comments

1 We're fucked.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 01:50 PM (UK9cE)

2 >>>Where do we as a conservative movement need to do the most soul-searching?

Social Cons vs Fiscal Cons...can this marriage be saved?

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:51 PM (JycCV)

3 Being right is no comfort with the barbarians at the gate. They will starve along with us, but, they have the luxury of not worrying about it. They can party the whole way down the slope.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 01:51 PM (kXoT0)

4 The first thing that is going to happen is that more investors are going to pull out and sit on their hands.

What kind of idiot is going to invest and hire with this kind of uncertainty and risk for the next 4 years?

A lot more people are about to lose their jobs.

And not just those delayed til the election from sequestration and defense companies.

Posted by: Village Idiot at November 07, 2012 01:52 PM (utXSy)

5 HSBC has started speculation about an Obamacarbon tax to pay $154B off the deficit. Tax on the middle class and lower mostly.

Posted by: Vizzy at November 07, 2012 01:53 PM (H0lcY)

6 Maybe we can campaign on hating white people even more than the Dems do.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:53 PM (ZPrif)

7 And yet I still have the memories of the 2008 "Thanks Nancy!!!!" thread to help hold those naughty blues away.

Not strong enough to chase them away, but I'll take what I can get this morning....

Thanks for posting, tmi3rd

Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 01:53 PM (gh+mp)

8 I want my AceTV !

Posted by: Aunt Ralph at November 07, 2012 01:53 PM (6VG2o)

9 CNBC - Boeing announce defense layoffs

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:54 PM (ZPrif)

10 Our side is too big of a pussy to take on the issues.

Obama and Holder should NEVER have gotten a pass on Fast and Furious. They should have NEVER gotten a pass on the Black Panther shit. They should've NEVER gotten a pass on Benghazi.

Time after time we had the chance to bring things up and show the American public WITH or WITHOUT the media what was REALLY going on and we didn't.

Capitalism is dead. Conservatism is dead. America is dead.

Once the "free shit" crowd takes over, it gets bigger and bigger until we're Greece.

And WE will STILL get blamed for it. And we'll sit there and take it, just like we ALWAYS do.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 01:54 PM (UK9cE)

11 Our message doesn't matter, nor does the way we communicate it. This is inexorable: Toqueville was right. At the moment, we're just seeing whether changing the angle of our spray will help with pissing into the wind.

Soul searching? You mean "selling out"? I'm going to vote straight Dem for the rest of my life. Let them have what they want. I've lived through it once. It's about time the rest of the bozos in their comfy living rooms did it. Right here in the Union Made US of A. The United STATE (singular) of America.

Posted by: done4now at November 07, 2012 01:54 PM (gKzBE)

12 so long as the media still controls the narrative in the country.

There was your answer. Is there a message you can craft that can get past that gatekeeper? If we can't beat Barack Obama with this obvious wreck of an economy, I say no.

Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 01:54 PM (FcR7P)

13 Hey has anyone seen JackStraw, polynikes, JeffB and the rest of the Romney is teh Awesome crowd? Cause I'd really like to congratulate them on a job well done.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 01:54 PM (UfvyB)

14 I'm putting my faith in President Math. He's not well known or understood. But we elected him (behind the scenes) with profligate spending. One of these days he will resolve our situation. And it won't be pretty. But it will happen. You can't grow a deficit to the sky.

Posted by: Davidlind at November 07, 2012 01:55 PM (J9mCu)

15 MC Hammer

Can't Touch This!

Posted by: The Third Rail at November 07, 2012 01:55 PM (r2PLg)

16 I want my "FREE F*CKING STUFF NOW BITCHES".....................

Posted by: Wall_E at November 07, 2012 01:56 PM (48wze)

17 Conservative message needs not only to be delivered, but to be explained. Most people on the Left believe that being a conservative is someone who approves of the KKK and hates women.

Posted by: MrX at November 07, 2012 01:56 PM (PxmNZ)

18 I don't think you can say that "conservative movement" was defeated twice in the last two presidential elections. Neither McCain nor Romney were eloquent speakers for conservatism. In fact, they were as non-conservative as a Republican can be. The relatively poor turnout makes it clear that conservatives were not inspired by these people. And how many conservative libertarians, with their energy and participation, were driven away from the party by the RNC and the attitude of the party leaders in general?

Posted by: CanadianGuy at November 07, 2012 01:57 PM (95GHD)

19 As a strategy ... I am going with death by 1000 cuts, but then I live in a red state that just vetoed sales tax increases ...

cut 1 - no free cell phones, land lines only ...
cut 2 - no luxury foods allowed via EBT
cut 3 - no spending on 'Green energy'

et cetera ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 01:57 PM (gh+mp)

20 But I'm a libtard f*ckwit.

Posted by: Libtard tears not as good as crow at November 07, 2012 01:55 PM (PpnKd)


Yes you are.

And you destroyed the greatest thing this world has ever seen. Congratulations.

The world hated us because they were jealous. Their citizens were leaving to come here. They are happy now because we've sunk to their stature and they're happy.

You killed the American dream. Be proud of yourself. You'll pay for it for the rest of your life.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 01:57 PM (UK9cE)

21 I think the only solution is to leave the American Flag with fewer stars on it.

Posted by: Rich C at November 07, 2012 01:57 PM (isjJy)

22 As conservatives, we've been playing a fool's game. As long as the other side can get away with the claim "You have right to free stuff but those evil conservatives won't share" we don't stand a chance.

So let it all crash and burn, then rebuild out of the ashes. It will be hard on the third too lazy to get inopved, and the one third who are moochers and looters ad guaranteed to get violent, but for the rest of us, I don't see an alternative.

They're determined to burn it down, so let them do it.

Posted by: John W. at November 07, 2012 01:58 PM (U2zA5)

23 "If we cannot communicate the rightness of our message, in a way that
overwhelms the negativity of the left, then we will continue to
self-marginalize."
--
I don't want to believe it, but the error in that diagnosis is thinking that our problem is with "communication". That presupposes that this is about rational arguments and not identity politics, pure simple, Republikanhass drummed into young minds in the schools and reinforced through adolescence by the media culture.

How do you "communicate" with people who aren't interested in even considering that you might have a message they might be interested in?

If we don't make a dent in the schools, we will fail over and over. Why do you think all the lefties like Ayers and Obama stuck around in academia?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 07, 2012 01:58 PM (FiwwD)

24 Realistically, who is out there that can take on and defeat Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo, Hillary Clinton, or someone not on our radar?

That is not the question. To find out who will be the next GOP presidential nominee, all you need to know is who placed second in the last GOP presidential primary.

That is who the nominee will be.

That is always who the nominee will be.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at November 07, 2012 01:59 PM (2Oas0)

25 If we cannot communicate the rightness of our message, in a way that
overwhelms the negativity of the left, then we will continue to
self-marginalize.


The message is being communicated just fine.



People just like free shit. Nothing will ever break that.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 01:59 PM (GQ8sn)

26 I guess I will grow a liberal mentality and keep all my wealth and F8ck the poor and minorities. They can suck off off MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOcheles tit for a few drops of welfare and food stamps milk........

Posted by: Wall_E at November 07, 2012 01:59 PM (48wze)

27 It doesn't matter how awesome are message is if people won't listen.

Look, every time I see Obama on TV I mute the fucker. I haven't heard more than 2 seconds of any ad.

That's what they do to us. They mute the Romney ad, then listen to Obama and the Daily Show lie about Romney.

How do you argue with people who won't listen to you? Who hate the sound of your voice?

Messaging can't beat demographics.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:59 PM (ZPrif)

28

I've never been more ashamed of my country than last night.

Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 01:59 PM (LpQbZ)

29 How about we let people live their lives the way they want? That seemed to be pretty popular last night.

Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 01:59 PM (5UMyr)

30 >>>As a movement, having been rejected by the nation twice now in five
years, it is incumbent upon us to do the introspection we accuse the
other side of being unwilling to undertake.


Let

It

Go

It's time to shrug.

If the American people don't want conservatism.
Let them have liberalism. The only way it seems to get the electorate to accept reality is to run over them with it.

I live in Cali BTW, is there room in Texas for a large conservative ruminant?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 02:00 PM (0q2P7)

31 I think the only solution is to leave the American Flag with fewer stars on it.

I'm thinking about half.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 02:00 PM (GQ8sn)

32
Being right is no comfort with the barbarians at the gate. They will starve along with us, but, they have the luxury of not worrying about it. They can party the whole way down the slope.





But they won't be preparing for it. Even when it gets bad for them, they'll still be waiting for Obama Jesus to come to their rescue.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 07, 2012 02:00 PM (DoZD+)

33
Boeing Co announced a major restructuring of its defense division on Wednesday that will cut 30 percent of management jobs from 2010 levels, close facilities in California and consolidate several business units to cut costs



I'd say I question the timing, but I really don't....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 02:00 PM (kdS6q)

34 That does not obscure the fact that WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG in communicating our message.

This is untrue. They get our message. It's simply that a majority of voters do not want it. They do not want limited government and a shot at liberty. They want free shit. They want free shit. Period.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama committed treason at November 07, 2012 02:00 PM (AZGON)

35 Conservative message needs not only to be delivered,
but to be explained. Most people on the Left believe that being a
conservative is someone who approves of the KKK and hates women.



Posted by: MrX at November 07, 2012 01:56 PM (PxmNZ)


Our side is too pussy to take that shit on.

"They gonna put ya'll back in chains!!" *crickets*

Romney is going to make abortion illegal!!!! *crickets*

Our side sucks.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 02:00 PM (UK9cE)

36 Obama voters were actively looking for reasons to hate us.

You can't reason with people who hate you.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:01 PM (ZPrif)

37 Conservative message needs not only to be delivered, but to be explained.

"This sucks. Obama did it." What wasn't clear about that to everyone?

Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 02:01 PM (FcR7P)

38 I agree with Rich - we need to split into several Unions. either peaceably or . . . not

Here you go, DrewM, go ahead. Get me. I like Mitt. I think he ran a very strong campaign. I still believe he was an excellent candidate, and that ticket was great and would have been AMAZING for America.

Go ahead. Take your shot.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 07, 2012 02:01 PM (J6kXj)

39 Conservatives need to buy a network or two and a major paper or two.

Fox doesn't count.

Kickstarter?

Posted by: Fuck the MSM at November 07, 2012 02:01 PM (d3FpJ)

40

Honestly, it will take a disaster of some kind. And, even then, I'm not sure self-reliance, charity, independence, sovereignty, and freedom will win.

There's always the spin.

And, indoctrination.

Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 02:01 PM (LpQbZ)

41 Deval Patrick will be the DemocRats 2016 nominee.

Posted by: Once You Go Black You Can't Ever Go Back at November 07, 2012 02:02 PM (zk8YS)

42 The coming surveillance state will have its opportunities.

Posted by: breitgalt at November 07, 2012 02:02 PM (I88Jc)

43 >>>Hey has anyone seen JackStraw, polynikes, JeffB and the rest of the
Romney is teh Awesome crowd? Cause I'd really like to congratulate them
on a job well done.


Oh go fuck yourself, Drew. You think Newt Gingrich would have been a better standard-bearer? Really? Unless you posit a realistic alternative, you have no right to bitch about our support for the best possible choice among the ones we were offered. None.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2012 02:02 PM (GzATR)

44 Here's the problem I see: if the collapse is slow enough nobody will notice it. No, there is no constituency for austerity, not unless there's a collapse, and there are ways to manage and soften collapse. So the GOP will go back to being a party of governors and will watch from the outside while we move to a new normal of socialism and quiet desperation. And once that sets in there's no going back.

Posted by: joncelli, reduced to platitudes at November 07, 2012 02:02 PM (RD7QR)

45 Social Cons vs Fiscal Cons...can this marriage be saved?

Only if the social cons learn to respect the 10th Amendment. But as of now, the SoCon standard bearer Rick Santorum has expressly disavowed the 10th Amendment, and believes all social issues should be resolved at the federal level, state sovereignty be damned.

So, no. As long as SoCons continue to embrace nationalists like Huckabee and Santorum, rather than FEDERALISM, there will be no bridge between SoCons and Fiscal Cons.

Posted by: wooga at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (vjyZP)

46 -

Republican turnout was down.

We fucked up.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (RuUvx)

47 >>>How about we let people live their lives the way they want?

???? Because a society as a necessity has rules?

>>>>>That seemed to be pretty popular last night.

Where at exactly? And exactly what way?


Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (0q2P7)

48 What can men do in the face of such evil?


http://tinyurl.com/a2nwkh5




Posted by: BCochran1981

--------

The gate is down and they are already streaming through...


...and Gandalf is not coming.


Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 01:41 PM (GQ8sn)


Still I fight. I'd rather die sword in hand than live hiding in some cave.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (da5Wo)

49 How about we let people live their lives the way they want? That seemed to be pretty popular last night.

Yeah, well the only problem with that - is a whole bunch of my supposed countrymen just voted for me to live my life to meet their wants.

Posted by: Moose McKrank at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (Xa1VJ)

50 I guess what bums me out is that I have three kids who will have to deal with this crap. If it were just me I would be upset but I'd feel like I could either find a way to deal with it or find a way out. Instead, I now feel like I have to raise them differently in order to prepare them for the possibility that as adults they may need to emigrate.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (JxMoP)

51 This is untrue. They get our message. It's simply that a majority of
voters do not want it. They do not want limited government and a shot
at liberty. They want free shit. They want free shit. Period.


George, I still remember a great post you wrote during the 2008 season. When those two jagoffs at a TFG rally went up to the mic and basically asked him for a free car and a job. One black woman asked for a car and another kid who was doing oddjobs while a frycook asked for a DJ job.

You said something that I still remember:

These people who want free stuff are like raisins in a cake. They are baked into our society and there is no escape from them. They are everywhere.

So true.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (GQ8sn)

52 Ditto, Capitalism is dead. Conservatism is dead. The America I grew up in is long dead. You can stay here and get eaten by the debt zombies or follow me out, your choice.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (SDkq3)

53 First, can't believe it.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (qwK3S)

54 Boeing Co announced a major restructuring of its defense division on Wednesday that will cut 30 percent of management jobs from 2010 levels, close facilities in California and consolidate several business units to cut costs



I'd say I question the timing, but I really don't....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 02:00 PM (kdS6q)



This was the stuff talked about pre-election. By law defense contractors were supposed to announce these layoffs, but TFG's administration bribed them with lawyer backlash fees to ignore the law.

Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (LpQbZ)

55 Uhhhh.... echo echo echo

Posted by: Moose McKrank at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (Xa1VJ)

56 Wait, who cares what they do?

I want to know how we got fewer votes than McCain.

Oh yeah, was there a certain someone you respectable folks wanted shunted from the national picture?

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (oDtYC)

57 I posit that Rick Perry, if he hadn't shit himself during the debates, would have done a better job in the election. But, you know, soiling your pants on live TV is kind of a disqualifier for national office.

Posted by: wooga at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (vjyZP)

58 Look, you got all kinds of assholes floating in from 3rd world countries, and they vote like 3rd world assholes. Its cultural, and you're not gonna change it.


Posted by: Berserker at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (FMbng)

59 MSM Delenda Est

Posted by: dIb at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (aRwtY)

60
Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 01:59 PM (LpQbZ)

Here's a friendly suggestion.

You've been around here a while now. But you'll never become part of the AoS community/family until you choose a name and stick with it most of the time.

Pick a name so we know what to call you. Or just keep changing your name all the time and be lost in obscurity.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 02:05 PM (jUytm)

61
Let's not be too hard on Mitt Romney. He got a bad hop there at the end.

Posted by: Bill Buckner at November 07, 2012 02:05 PM (Ks4nX)

62 If the dems can win an election with this economy they should never lose another election...ever.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 07, 2012 02:05 PM (NzBQO)

63 You can't reason with people who hate you.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:01 PM (ZPrif)

---------------
There ya go. No need to go any further on this.
A line has been crossed. I'm afraid we're never going back.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 02:05 PM (P6QsQ)

64 >>#24 That is not the question. To find out who will be the next GOP
presidential nominee, all you need to know is who placed second in the
last GOP presidential primary.

The #2 Republican seed this cycle was Rick Santorum.
Ouch.

Posted by: looking closely at November 07, 2012 02:05 PM (6Q9g2)

65 wtf?

Posted by: looking closely at November 07, 2012 02:06 PM (6Q9g2)

66 Michelle Obama will be the dem prez candidate in 2016.

We are trending towards an Argentine-style collapse anyway, and look how well it's turned out having Mrs. First Lady there.

Just think about all the women who can finally vote for a liberal woman who loves children and free healthcare andfree lunches and will give them all the free birth control and abortions they want.

Posted by: Boots at November 07, 2012 02:06 PM (neKzn)

67 38 Black Orchid,

I'll take the lumps too it'll go great with the one in my back. Mitt was the best answer we could have ran in this race, and we lost. I think Ohio was stolen and that's not sour grapes. The Somalis provided half the margin of fraud but we shou;d have blown O up.

Fuck it I'm done you can have it.

Never another dime to the GOP fuck y'all.

Now I find out the TRU FI CON answer is to nuke my family through sequestration....

"okay"

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:06 PM (LRFds)

68 the more I think it about, the whole abortion issue is a red herring. Anyone who was basing their vote on "reproductive rights" was not on our side to begin with.
The real issue is that we are fighting a battle with demographics. You cannot win a national election getting 30% of the Hispanic vote, which will be growing piece of the electorate. It is time for our side to come with a sensible plan for comprehensive immigration reform.
Let's face it Lyndon Johnson was an advocate for the Great Society programs because he realized that blacks would be beholden to the Democrat party for the next 200 years (if I remember the quote right). Let's be the champions for immigration reform, and hope the Hispanics return the favor at the ballot box.

Posted by: tofer732 at November 07, 2012 02:06 PM (2zM0P)

69 "Conservatives need to buy a network or two and a major paper or two. "

Doesn't matter. Net 'neutrality' and 'equal time' will be rammed down our throats and manipulated to censor any conservative media outlet which dares offer views contrary to modern liberalism.

There are two sets of rules:

None for them, and another which serves to handicap us at every possible opportunity.

Just like how the the right is always pilloried over morals, yet the left somehow claims the moral high ground by having none!

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at November 07, 2012 02:06 PM (KCvsd)

70 Ace just retweeted me.


BRB, rubbin one out.

Posted by: fluffy at November 07, 2012 02:07 PM (z9HTb)

71 The problem here isn't regrouping and trying again in a few years. Obamacare will be implemented and once it is, it's permanent. Supreme Court justices will be replaced and once they are there will be thirty years of living breathing Constitution. It won't take another 4 years of Obama economic policies to finish us off. We're done. The next election doesn't matter and I'm done worrying about it. The American people have voted for what they want and they're going to get it. My only concern now is to try to figure out where to put my money that isn't going to crash along with the economy. Land maybe. They're not making any more of that. Don't know yet, but I'm not going to do anything that I think will help prop up the 53% who voted for Obama and my tax exposure is first on the list of things to rework.

Posted by: not neo just conservative at November 07, 2012 02:07 PM (MNXL5)

72 I got an e-mail that my Unicorn is on it's way!
And my grant for solar powered flying cars was approved!
Just drink the fucking kool-aid, and evrything will be ok. Big gulps now!

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 07, 2012 02:08 PM (e7S3p)

73 Economic collapse is assured, and Obama will own it. That's the only possible silver lining I see, sort of in a let-it-burn sort of not really silver way.
There's going to a debt crisis soon. The only thing holding it together is the pyschological belief that the US can't fail. Once the realization kicks in that it will fail, Bondzilla rages. If Helicopter Ben just flat out prints to keep the Federal govt going, then we go Weimar. If not, we deflate big time. The result either way is economic collapse. Only question is if it's death by fire or ice.
Some good advice given to me: Get yourself in shape. The days of expensive pills and treatment to keep lard asses going will soon be over. The medical system (federal health care spending growing at 9% per year) is the biggest bomb that will go off in this economic collapse.
It's going to be Zombieland soon, make sure you can outrun the Zombies. Read up on the Argentine collapse. That's about what path we'll take.
The electorate made the wrong choice in the most consequential election since 1860. America fucked up. And thus we are fucked.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at November 07, 2012 02:09 PM (VVB18)

74
Conservative message needs not only to be delivered, but to be explained. Most people on the Left believe that being a conservative is someone who approves of the KKK and hates women.





That's because they only listen to the MSM. Also public schools. Isn't that in the Marxist plan?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 07, 2012 02:09 PM (DoZD+)

75 That
does not obscure the fact that WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG in
communicating our message.


Conservatives have an image that may not be fixable. To the empty-headed product of a liberal education system shaped by decades of exposure to leftard media and entertainment, "conservative" equals superstitious uneducated hicks, humping our cousins and driving cars with rebel flags on the roof while ranting about the blacks and the spics and the homos. It's a ridiculous caricature to be sure, but what a great foil for an unaccomplished nobody who wants to feel superior to someone. Its even better when all your cool friends share the same set of values. Win win! You've got to have a real backbone today to be young and openly conservative.

I've seen a suggestion that conservatives ditch that term and leave it to the evangelicals. "Constitutionalist" has been floated as an alternative. Maybe "Classical Liberal" would be better. It probably wouldn't matter; the media and entertainment industry will bring all of its forces to bear against us no matter what we call ourselves.

It galls me endlessly that a dynamic political philosophy, based on the thinking of heavyweights like Smith, Locke, Hayek, von Mises and Buckley is so consistently denigrated by an establishment that considers "Let's Take Other Peoples' Stuff" to be a legitimate political agenda. But that's what we've got.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 07, 2012 02:10 PM (QKKT0)

76 Perhaps that is what we need to do, after all. Point fingers.

Obama ran a campaign of fear and ostracism. It worked. Perhaps nice guys do finish last. Maybe the path to victory is to point fingers, demonize, ridicule and hate.

Then again, maybe the path to victory is just more free stuff. Better free stuff. Not free stuff like tax breaks and keeping your own earnings. But free stuff like private school vouchers, work-to-citizenship programs, internships with guaranteed hire agreements/contracts and community college tuition.

God, I feel dirty for typing it. But it seems to be what the people want.

Posted by: Semper Why at November 07, 2012 02:10 PM (F45Zi)

77 What I wonder is how we shed the "rapey/gay-bashing social con" image. Obama effectively frightened liberals and moderates into voting for him through pure social policy. That played the dual role of focusing hatred AND side-stepping the economy.

I have a stereotypically liberal friend who in early October was begging me to give him Romney/Ryan's economic specifics, because he didn't want to vote for Obama, but he couldn't get over his fear and hatred of fundamentalist christian social issues. We need a sharp pivot to the (new) center on social issues and a comprehensive, adult, NOT simplistic definition of our economic woes.

Frankly though, it's too fucking late.

Posted by: kariz at November 07, 2012 02:10 PM (bEz+b)

78 Okay, what happened to the thread?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 07, 2012 02:11 PM (DoZD+)

79 Where do conservatives go now? Unless we want to out-whore the Democrats, the best conservatives can do is stick to our principles, knowing that the electorate doesn't accept them and that we will loose seats. Keep telling the people what will happen under socialism -- when it actually starts to happen people will start to listen.

Win back education and the culture. Hit liberals over the head with "diversity" of thought, not just the melanin-based one which is just re-named bigotry. Make them live up to their own standards. Infiltrate the schools and school boards and studios.

Investigate and document every Democrat corruption and follow through on the offenses that are real and don't let up. God knows there's enough of them.

Use the new media for all it's worth, bypass the MSM which have sold their professional reputation and are going to hell for it. (Business-wise, that is.)

We need an incubator for the next generation of conservative leaders. Liberals spent decades making theirs and yesterday was the payoff. Common sense is no longer common enough to rely on.

We're going to spend some years in the wilderness, pray there's something left for us to come back and save.

Posted by: Socratease at November 07, 2012 02:11 PM (iVBDH)

80 The first three adults (outside my spouse) I spoke to this morning said:

1) What upset one worse than Obama's re-election, she was dismayed to see gay marriage legalized in a couple of states
2) What upset the second was that she couldn't figure out what the heck these Americans were thinking
and
3) What upset the third was the noticeable sickness of people's minds and hearts to vote for corruption and poor leadership in the name of freebies and such

Bottom line is that we now in live a morally-decayed society where self-gratification via luxury material and rejection of hard work goes. Decency, respect for others, integrity, righteousness and purity of character are no longer traits that Americans are interested in generally.

It's definitely a heart condition - meaning there's a certain selfish blackness of heart, meanness, vengeance, and immature childish spirit that has swept our nation. When capable people sit and yell, "Where's mine?!?!" and choose candidates based on fear of loss of abortion rights and free birth control pills, something is majorly wrong.

BTW, an aside concerning Sandy. . . a relative of mine works with a southern power company that has been helping restore power and so forth up in Yankeeville. You wouldn't believe the ridiculous stories we're hearing about the behavior and attitudes of some of these Yankee citizens and their power company employees. . . of course, the big issue is that the unionization of power companies up there, etc. has definitely made for ridiculous inefficiency in restoring power and safety to the people. (Example: southern power worker working with Yankee power workers asks for a particular tool, and one of the Yankee workers says, "He can't hand you that." The tool has to be passed to the southern worker by another person due to union safety crud. Stuff like that. Ridiculous and JUVENILE.)

Wake up, blue states. Your love of unions and government is causing you distress. It's like screwing an abusive man. Just stop. Quit facilitating your demise.

Posted by: check your heart at November 07, 2012 02:13 PM (W5c4e)

81 We simply no longer have a critical mass of voters who understand how wealth is created and why limited government is desirable. We need people with money to get together with people who are good at creating effective media to figure out how to educate the American people on these ideas.

Posted by: Raul Johnson at November 07, 2012 02:14 PM (MiBr0)

82 There are some external factors that we can't directly control or influence, but we need to be more intellectualy and ideaologicaly consistent. We made a harsh turn towards fiscal conservatism in the tail end of the Bush years, yet we nominated McCain And Romney, two big government guys who have never seen a problem government can't fix.

Posted by: William_Shatner's_Pants at November 07, 2012 02:15 PM (CXk+W)

83 There are three ways people learn: revelation, observation, experience.
Revelation is when a knowledgeable source tells you something, you apply to what you know, and learn. Conservatives and Liberals have been fighting this battle for a long. We say "tax and spend won't work, pro-growth policies will" they say "socialism works and the rich are parasites on the working man!"
Observation is learning by watching others. So conservatives say, "socialism hasn't worked anywhere it has been tried. Ronald Reagan made the other work." Liberals say "other socialistsdidn't do it right, like we will, Reagan wasn't all that great, and you are not a knowledgeble source. Hence, you are wrong and my revelation is correct."
That is the impasse. Like I said in a different post. We have to stand aside and let them have at it. We are gonna have to touch the fucking stove to see hot things burn us. We have to. They can't learn any other way. They can only learn by experience.
So what to do? 60 pounds of rice and 120 pounds of pinto beans = survival rations for 140 days.
Let them fail. We will rebuild it when they are done with their lessons.

Posted by: sgmstv at November 07, 2012 02:15 PM (T0dFH)

84 Oh go fuck yourself, Drew. You think Newt Gingrich would have been a
better standard-bearer? Really? Unless you posit a realistic
alternative, you have no right to bitch about our support for the best
possible choice among the ones we were offered. None.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2012 02:02 PM (GzATR)

Bullshit. You're entire theory of what would work was wrong.

As the saying goes, "Own it"

Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 02:15 PM (UfvyB)

85 I'm 66 years old. Remember us? Sex,drugs,and rockroll, "end the war"and all that shit. Well.....these people have had control of our education system for forty plus years. Political correctness and socialist indoctrination in our schools and colleges have brought us to this point. I can see a full on dictatorship in our future, and i wonder if our country has any fight left in it. I'm sorry for the harm my generation has done to our country.

Posted by: c6dave at November 07, 2012 02:15 PM (I08eI)

86 There is a disconnect between social conservatives and fiscal conservatives.

I'm Lutheran and I could care less about gay marriage and I don't want to overturn Roe v. Wade, but I don't want to expand abortion in any way and I don't want my tax dollars spent on abortions.

I'm not even remotely close to being 1%. My husband is underemployed and has been for the last 1 1/2 years. The previous 2 1/2 years before that, he was unemployed.

I want to take social issues out of the equation. I don't want your religion dictating to me, but I also don't want the government dictating to my religion. Before people get h

I'm all for sequestration and letting the Bush Tax Cuts expiring. Let the mf'er burn. I'll pay more, but I want everyone to have some skin in the game. I pay my taxes and I always have. I wish I had money to take elsewhere because I would.

Posted by: Agent P at November 07, 2012 02:23 PM (fPmeR)

87 Beloved one Allan West got his guts stomped out. Story in there somewhere...

Posted by: M. Murcek at November 07, 2012 02:33 PM (GJUgF)

88
It takea 1 billion a year in taxes just to pay for Obama and his princess.

Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 02:33 PM (O7ksG)

89 Eh. . .this is how the Libs felt two years ago.

Its not over yet.

Mandate or not, Obama is in for a real rough slog over the next four years, because the economy is about to get a WHOLE lot worse.


Posted by: looking closely at November 07, 2012 02:33 PM (6Q9g2)

90 86 Oh go fuck yourself, Drew. You think Newt Gingrich would have been a
better standard-bearer? Really? Unless you posit a realistic
alternative, you have no right to bitch about our support for the best
possible choice among the ones we were offered. None.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2012 02:02 PM (GzATR)

Bullshit. You're entire theory of what would work was wrong.

As the saying goes, "Own it"
Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 02:15 PM (UfvyB)


______________________

Incumbency--its'a huge factor.

Pretty hard to overcome.

So--essentially you're both right.

Posted by: The Third Rail at November 07, 2012 02:33 PM (r2PLg)

91 First, the Socons need to shut the hell up.

Posted by: Henry at November 07, 2012 02:34 PM (F2Dm6)

92 So negative campaigning works, huh?

Posted by: dIb at November 07, 2012 02:34 PM (aRwtY)

93 Greg, Are you happy that future generations in America will not have the same opportunity we did? Or are you just Me Generation type of guy? Be careful what you wish for.................You are gross little ant that serves no purpose other then to pass on misery. You will meet your maker one day and you will have to answer for your BS. Remember life on earth is a temporary trip, the rest of your disgusting existince in Hell is forever!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Wall_E at November 07, 2012 02:34 PM (48wze)

94 The GOP is dead. Kick it aside like Lincoln, et al. did to the Whig party and start fresh.

Posted by: joncelli, reduced to platitudes at November 07, 2012 02:34 PM (RD7QR)

95 picking up the pieces? I don't even know where to start.

We are beating ourselves up after a close election in which we somehow failed to GOTV, losing senate seats in red states.

We somehow equate latino vote with amnesty.

Let the house give obama his tax hike. But stop everything else. demand a budget every day.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:34 PM (QxSug)

96 Social Cons vs Fiscal Cons...can this marriage be saved?

Said marriage would've been going fine if Akin and Mourdock had kept their mouths shut.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 02:35 PM (B/VB5)

97 Bill Clinton's one loss so far: Mark Critz

least that SHIT Lost

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 02:35 PM (ck76k)

98 Nice anklebiting technique, Drew. Just the right ratio of high pitched growl to head-shaking.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 07, 2012 02:35 PM (ZrUUM)

99 13
Hey has anyone seen JackStraw, polynikes, JeffB and the rest of the
Romney is teh Awesome crowd? Cause I'd really like to congratulate them
on a job well done.



Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 01:54 PM (UfvyB)


God, you are an insufferable ass!


Romney was the best of the bunch. Reagan would have lost last night.

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2012 02:35 PM (X6akg)

100 To repeat myself: That Romney. He sure is electable. Just not in America.

NOTA BENE: Does this say something about Romney, or America? Three guesses and the first two don't count.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama committed treason at November 07, 2012 02:35 PM (AZGON)

101
The Democrats have successfully made us fight amongst each other for years. Like at us. Social cons are to blame, Romney wasn't conservative enough...blah blah. Look at when Akin says what he does...we have the leftist jump at us and say 'HEY HEY YOU SEE! THEY WANNA LEGALIZE RAPE!!'
What we need to do is make the leftists fight among themselves. For christ sakes, blacks hate latinos and vice versa. We need to use this. Why are catholic latinos voting for a man who voted to suck the brain our of a baby even when it was alive after an abortion? Because he was a minority. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 02:36 PM (F6KtL)

102 no, Reagan had Lee Atwater.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:36 PM (QxSug)

103 You can't reason with people who hate you.

And I'm not totally understanding why people think we should "compromise" with people who want us dead.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 02:36 PM (/kI1Q)

104 W had Rove
Bush 41 had Reagan's popularity until he didn't

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:36 PM (QxSug)

105 63 You can't reason with people who hate you. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:01 PM (ZPrif) ---------------There ya go. No need to go any further on this.A line has been crossed. I'm afraid we're never going back.

This. This. THIS.

Posted by: Janetoo at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (PROOX)

106 Somebody explain to me again why Drew writes on this blog? What exactly does he bring to the table as a Cob?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (da5Wo)

107 6 Maybe we can campaign on hating white people even more than the Dems do.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:53 PM (ZPrif)

I seriously wanna subscribe to your newsletter. I really do. I think you might be almost as bitter as I am.

Posted by: Mr Pink at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (++kZl)

108 What conservative wing of the Supreme Court? Oh, you mean the John Roberts wing? Fuck him too.

Posted by: scofflawx at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (N1Rjx)

109 As far as retrenching, it's time to admit that there are, or should be, two America's. We need to define economic freedom, the right to fail, the right to not participate in a health plan, low taxes in exchange for fewer government services, control of one's property, etc., as personal rights that one can choose to invoke or waive. Make the South and the Mountain West into freeholds of various levels where residents have exemptions from the federal bureaucracy. People there can leave and go to the rest of America and vice versa, based on their own political preferences.

Posted by: Paul at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (QO/vU)

110 So it seems like Obama won largely on the back of overwhelming Hispanic support. I really do not get it, you come to America because your countries are left wing hell holes only to vote for policies that turn America into a left wing hell hole?

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (T57vh)

111

It's time for new co-bloggers. Or no co-bloggers.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (jUytm)

112 Greg, One day you will be laying the gutter pucking your guts out and begging for help. I hope a mangy dog comes and pisses in your mouth !!! That's the help you deserve you little POS.

Posted by: Wall_E at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (48wze)

113 Reagan would have lost last night.

JFK would have lost last night.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (/kI1Q)

114
I ended up on the Gingrich short bus bandwagon precisely because I thought he told our argument the best. He probably would have lost to the taker majority too, but seriously it couldn't have been much worse.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (PHb2k)

115 Reagan had Lee Atwater.

Yes, but that's kind of the point. Romney didn't have an Atwater, and Reagan wouldn't have if he'd been alive and running this year.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 02:37 PM (B/VB5)

116 Do they even teach about economics and such in those high school history courses?

Round about 1989, I had a pot-smoking African-American man in his late 50s teaching my class about pot-smoking and getting free cigarettes at the Philip Morris plant down the road when he'd take us on "field trips" there. He rambled about everything but our economic system. Of course, I remember him talking about Marxism more than anything. . . ah-ha, it all makes sense now.

(All that pot smoking some of you will be doing will limber your brain up for easy take over. It happened to the boomers, you know.)

Erosion of decency, responsibility.
Moral decay.
Death of a nation.
All goes together. There is no god for many of us, it seems. Only a belief in, "I don't care what you do, just don't ask me to pay for it."

Works fine and sounds good. But what happens when all people care about is the right to abortion, free stuff, and gratifying every sick immature lust? Will libertarianism make that possible before they make economic prosperity possible? I'm beginning to think so. We've succeeded in the whole, "If it feels good, do it," thing. Now we're going to pay.

(I personally believe there is a God. And so did most of the people who died along the way to buy our freedom. Without that belief, I think we're generally screwed.)

Posted by: check your heart at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (W5c4e)

117 Here's a definition: Conservatism is truth and proof and will never be accepted by rabid leftists, the stupid, and the indoctrinated. That means we will never win. The end.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (jZn+7)

118 I don't consider myself American anymore. What's the fucking point?

The United States is just a land mass now.

We were a nation of ideas. Those ideas are dead. Fuck it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (ZPrif)

119
So it seems like Obama won largely on the back of overwhelming Hispanic
support. I really do not get it, you come to America because your
countries are left wing hell holes only to vote for policies that turn
America into a left wing hell hole?


Free shit.

End of discussion.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (GQ8sn)

120 **110 So it seems like Obama won largely on the back of overwhelming Hispanic support. I really do not get it, you come to America because your countries are left wing hell holes only to vote for policies that turn America into a left wing hell hole? **

yeah, what do these mysterious latinos want?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (QxSug)

121 Righhhhht .... a Mormon is a country in which a substantial number of voters (most who lean Republican) believe that means you are a cultist .. there's your #1 choice

Posted by: Gerry at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (jQm+J)

122 "Said marriage would've been going fine if Akin and Mourdock had kept their mouths shut."

How about Fat Man Christie?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (PVNda)

123 Dennis Miller
I asked a Chicago broker whether he was optimistic or pessimistic about the stock market and he simply said "Da Bears."

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (ck76k)

124 I don't get this damned infighting here. Instead come up with a plan and hit them where it hurts. Money!

1. Stop all donations to Red Cross, United Way etc. etc. When disaster strikes, they got the government now to take care of them. (2 exceptions: wounded warriors fund and salvation army)

2. Take kids out of public school. If you can afford private or parochial school, do it. If able homeschool

3.Find tax shelters

I know there is more, but that is the first thing I thought about. Deny the government and all affiliated left wing agencies money. Maybe I am just too simple minded, but I think it would be a start and if enough people do it it starts to hurt.

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (uVuwp)

125 I am a 62 widow. I have no children. I am making plans as to what to do with my investments.

I am going to make some short term changes that will benefit me, but, will not benefit the economy. I always go out for lunch because it is a break from my nutty Liberal co-workers. Now, that will be once a week or once every two weeks on payday. I am a good tipper, so restaurants and wait staff--sucks to be you. I like to cook, so no more convenience food. I like to shop for shoes and clothes, and had a plan to buy certain things on this Saturday during the Veteran's day sales. No more movies, I am cutting back my TV channels on Uverse. Books have always been an indulgence, but, no more, so NY publishing industry--sucks to be you. I will still buy books, but, I will be very choosy and the first hint of Liberal thought in your writing--you are off the list. I love the Tulsa Library and during other lean times they were my only source of books, I have 11 new books on the hold shelf now. I just have to go get them.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (kXoT0)

126 BTW Allen West is not conceding and has demanded a full hand recount in St. Lucie. Lots of shenanigans went on in Florida, and elsewhere.


I'm seeing LOTS of traffic on Twitter with people talking about showing up at the polls and being told they already voted absentee. This apparently happened to dozens of people in one Republican area of Hamilton County, Ohio. If we really want to know where the McCain voters in Ohio went, it's a good possibility that Team Obama got absentee ballots in their names and voted them for Obama. There is almost nothing that can stop this sort of organized fraud.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 02:39 PM (qe2/V)

127 There is only one reason Romney lost last night. It's so simple. People are stupid. Period.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 07, 2012 02:39 PM (1hNQS)

128 circular firing squad commence firing !!

This is again why D'win & R's Lose

D will do ANYTHING to Win

R's will do ANYTHING to lose

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 02:39 PM (ck76k)

129 It seems moderate party insiders that don't believe in any form of conservativism, don't practice any form of it, and don't articulate any form of it might not be what it takes to motivated the base. For starters.

Secondly, maybe it's time we have a hard look at the GOP brand. As in, time to drop that brand altogether. For better or worse, it's toxic.

We SoCons seem to be the whipping boys of the GOP. Followed by FiCons. The GOP has nothing to do with conservativism anymore.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 07, 2012 02:40 PM (5tiWJ)

130 I disagree with Krauthammer, we do need to change the policies we espouse. The fact that we still lost despite a lousy economy tells me these issues hurt even more than we realize. Imagine if unemployment wasn't 8%? Drop the abortion issue, we lost. Even people that unquestionably view it as immoral are for legal abortion.

I disagree with the Latino solution, had Romney gone full bore amnesty like McCain did, it wouldn't have mattered. Latinos make up a very small part of the swing states, and in places like Florida, it's not much of an issue. Romney honestly would have perfromed better in states like Ohio had he been a border hawk. latinos vote Democrat because they usually come here impoverished. They could care less about gay marriage or abortion, they just want free stuff.

Also, Reagan gave a blanket amnesty, and it was quickly forgotten. How many Latinos do you know are Republican because of Reagan's amnesty?


Posted by: McAdams at November 07, 2012 02:40 PM (ZI/Cb)

131 Nice the see the circular firing squads still have ample ammo.

The problem I see is this: We, the conservative movement, have won the popular vote exactly once since 1988. Once.
It ain't the communication.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 07, 2012 02:40 PM (t06LC)

132 My guess is it will be Clinton vs Rubio in 2016.

Posted by: Paul at November 07, 2012 02:40 PM (xwVUV)

133 Romney didn't have an Atwater,

and he didn't have McCain's vote total. For what that's worth.

Romney was leading until he wasn't. Romney got Independents.

If Romney got indepednents then what is this soul searching bullshit? Oh, we must disband or become DNC lite? No...we must get out the vote.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:40 PM (QxSug)

134 Other than "get your free shit from the capitalist pigs here!", our message will never get through to these drones.

The reason? THE SCHOOLS. Until and unless we can stop the commie brainwashing of our kids, we will never get a message across and never win an election.

Forget congress, forget the White House. We need to take every damned school board and get rid of the NEA and UFT. THAT is the battle.

The hand that rocks the cradle, and all that comes with that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 02:40 PM (vCK/R)

135 I'm all for sequestration and letting the Bush Tax Cuts expiring. Let the mf'er burn. I'll pay more, but I want everyone to have some skin in the game. I pay my taxes and I always have. I wish I had money to take elsewhere because I would.
Posted by: Agent P at November 07, 2012 02:23 PM (fPmeR)

THIS as well.

Posted by: Janetoo at November 07, 2012 02:41 PM (IgUON)

136 "but watching John Boehner's track record gives me very little cause for optimism."

It's easy to snicker and sneer at Boehner, but he did his job admirably last night. And his track record has everything to do with it. Thank you Speaker Boehner. You are the last hope for a sane America. The filibuster is gone. Good bye. Sianara. Adios. It's all in the Speaker's hands now. God speed Speaker Boehner!

Posted by: Schnack at November 07, 2012 02:41 PM (iHqLy)

137 Welcome back, old thread.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 02:41 PM (UK9cE)

138 It makes me sad to say this... but the GOP is losing because whites are not a racist voting bloc.

It may be that the only way the GOP can win is the way Dems do it now: racist/sexist identity politics. Dems are constantly saying "The GOP is against blacks/Latinos/gays/women!!" and promising them all kinds of special favors, and as a result they get huge wins from those groups. But you never hear the GOP say "The Democrats are anti-white/anti-male!" and promising those groups special treatment.

I'm not sure the GOP *should* be doing that, just that perhaps it cannot win *without* doing that -- that seems to be where we are now as a country.

Instead, the GOP has been running on principled equality of opportunity, which happens to favor whites and males because they happen to be more productive (except for some Asians). It's the right thing to do. And it's why we lost yesterday.

Posted by: TallDave at November 07, 2012 02:41 PM (/s1LA)

139 yeah, what do these mysterious latinos want?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:38 PM (QxSug)


Apparently they want a flood of illegal immigrants to come here and do their former jobs for half the price. Go figure.It's just tribalism over rationality, so far as I can see.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 07, 2012 02:41 PM (QKKT0)

140 Boycott Hollywood by not going to movies and don't but DVD's. Maybe they can feel some Obama pain too.........

Posted by: Wall_E at November 07, 2012 02:41 PM (48wze)

141 Don't you hate it when you have a hangover and you did not even really enjoy yourself the night before?

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (jKE+Z)

142 You know what' s great about Obama?


He doesn't even have to worry about his legacy--

the media will lie about that for him.

Posted by: The Third Rail at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (r2PLg)

143 "If Romney got indepednents then what is this soul searching bullshit? Oh, we must disband or become DNC lite? No...we must get out the vote."

You can't GOTV on independents. Everybody else showed up except them.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (PVNda)

144 define conservatism in simple, sellable terms, and build from there.

------------

So do it. I always see people just talk about the message and how we need to sell it better, w/o actually telling me how to sell it better. I WANT TO FUCKING SELL IT BETTER. But I can't think of a way because Liberty vs. Tyranny seems about as simple and straightforward as I can make it. Now someone give me a better way.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (arczc)

145 Repubs keep making high-minded arguments about taxes and incentives. Dems keep making low-minded gutter arguments that appeal to tribal instincts. Dems win.

Remember, Obama's closing message was simple. Romney: He's Not One of Us.

It's Us vs Them. And we are the Them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (ZPrif)

146
to recapitulate:
If you keep getting your asses kicked,either you're doing something wrong...or you're trying to sell the wrong 'message.'
iow, assume that no one has misundertood your message. Assume that the other guy is smart enough to understand it...and reject it on its own merits.
iow, it's not about sales and marketing, product placement or ad buys. It's about the product. You're in the wrong business, or you've got a bad product. Fix the bugs in the product, or replace the product entirely, and have another go at it.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (WwR1j)

147 If you have a lawn service that uses illegals, fire them. Same goes for cleaning services. My cleaning lady is a lovely Christian and even more conservative than I am. Same goes for the gals that do my hair and nails. So is my doctor. Unless you have to do it, no money for people with Liberal beliefs.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (kXoT0)

148 The country doesn't have four years for the GOP to come up with some magic new formula. In two years, this will all be irrelevant, as will the US

Posted by: Montjoie at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (sBpR/)

149 I told my sons (16 & 13) here you go fellas - start eating your shit sandwiches now......

I will probably be gone in 20 years.....
About the time that the decline will have occurred
and my 30 something sons are living the hunger games......2030.....

Posted by: izoneguy at November 07, 2012 02:42 PM (oKH8p)

150 Posted by: Wall_E at November 07, 2012 02:41 PM (48wze)

Fuck them !!
Download it for free

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (ck76k)

151 jewells45,

Yes, it is ignorance (or stupidity), and we must do something to stop it. I think the demise of our public school systems is necessary in order to achieve this and gain back America. It will take at least a few decades, I think.

I really think that may be key. But nobody wanted to touch education, it seems, this go election period go 'round.

Posted by: check your heart at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (W5c4e)

152 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2012 02:02 PM (GzATR)

You were totally, 100% wrong and I'm an asshole for pointing that out?

Newt wouldn't have done any worse than Romney (at least at the electoral vote level) nor would Santorum or Perry.

You're boy spent a billion dollars to win back to heretofore reliably red states and one red congressional district in Nebraska. Hell he might even match McCain's popular vote total by the time it's over.

Yes, you sir are a political mastermind!


Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (UfvyB)

153 Yeah, its not over.
But we have to recognize that the culture is hostile to us right now. Short of buying out Comcast or Disney and replacing the newsrooms of ABC or NBC etc. we're not going to win if we keep fighting the same way.

We don't have cultural capital. Our ideas have become foreign to the majority of citizens. That has to change. You can blame the So-Cons, or the Ronulans, but the reality is conservatism isn't cool. Yes its rational. Yes it actually works. But it isn't cool. And in our Pop culture obsessed society, being uncool is the kiss of death. No one relates it to the young. They're indoctrinated by school and pop culture against us to begin with.
Barry went to those who held the levers of our culture and sold himself to the people through them.
As distasteful as it might seem, our future leaders will have to master the levers of the culture in they hope for victory in the future.

Posted by: Iblis at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (9221z)

154 Doesn't get much more polished than Scott Brown and he lost to an evil, marxist retard.

America is lost. I had faith in us to make the right choice(s). But it wasn't even close. A slaughter. We are toast, and those that chose this can go fuck themselves in it from here to eternity. Have fun with your payment advisory board. Thanks for taking us with you, you rotten bastards.

I am heartbroken for the children that will not get the chance to grow up in the same America we did.

I am wrecked for all the vets, war dead and their families who all kept the freedom flame burning, and handed it to us on a f*cking platter while we slept. And slept. I am eternally grateful for your service. We blew it. Not you. Us.

On the bright side, nothing will outrage me now. Nothing left to be angry about.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (S/ps/)

155
Fuck this.

Some of you are fuckin dildos. Look at you -- gloating.

Fucking know it alls. You know shit.

It's bad enough the Left is gloating, but we have to hear it from our side too?

hahahha, yeah, Romney sucks!! Told you so!!

hahaha, shut up so-cons!!

hahahaha, fuck you Tea Party

You fucks are no better than the cocksuckers at Kos.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (jUytm)

156 This isint about "communications" morons, the left doesnt fucking care. Their voters dont fucking care. They voted back in Jessie Jackson jr, and the lying fucking scrunt in MA. They do not care about lying, messaging, results, or anything other than voting straight D ticket.

You are fooling yourselves if you think Obama failing for another 4 years will change their votes.

Posted by: Mr Pink at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (++kZl)

157 So, like, Mitt Romney still gets a trophy and a pizza party right?

Posted by: My High School is AWESOME at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (jucos)

158 Flatbush Joe, you're right. They just hate us. Time for us to return the favor.

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 02:44 PM (F6KtL)

159 Yeah! Fuck Akin. Winners like me are pro-choice; that way we get the kewl kids' votes!

Posted by: senator scott brown at November 07, 2012 02:44 PM (nkiQM)

160 We are being asked already to review spending and headcount. The economy is not getting better for the next two years.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 07, 2012 02:44 PM (ZDP2l)

161 How do we facilitate the destruction of the public school system?

I'm all for it. And actually, if I had to, I'd go back to teaching and maybe administration, play the game and work it from the inside if necessary. It's a thought.

Posted by: check your heart at November 07, 2012 02:44 PM (W5c4e)

162

hahahhaha, look at me, me so smart!

told you Akin would blow it all for us!

hahahaha, I'm a political expert, you stupid anti-abortion freaks!!


You. Jerkoffs.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 02:44 PM (jUytm)

163 I don't get this damned infighting here. Instead come up with a plan and hit them where it hurts. Money!

Your plan doesn't hurt them. The Red Cross will simply get grants and you will be taxed. You will still pay property taxes on top of your homeschool/private school tuition. Tax shelters? Inflation will take care of any cash that you save, property taxes will go to work on your real assets.

Mind you, I haven't come up with an idea, I just don't think we should hurt ourselves voluntarily.

Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 02:44 PM (FcR7P)

164 If we're going to re-examine things we need to consider that the conservative base wasn't really fired up. Obama got 10 million fewer votes than in 2008. Romney got 3 million fewer than McCain (who got fewer than Bush).

It's a tired old mantra but one I still think has merit - we need a GOP that actually walks the walk on smaller limited government. We need to go big or go home. Otherwise the GOP is just like any "conservative" party in England - trying to competently manage the country's massive entitlement state so that it limps on for another few years.

Posted by: gwelf at November 07, 2012 02:44 PM (nyxv/)

165 Heh, can you imagine the furor if the GOP had promoted a #WarOnWhites meme?

You know, like the Democrats routinely did before the 1960s.

Posted by: TallDave at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (/s1LA)

166 @91 Liberty, not license. "It is ordained in the eternal order of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free, for their passions forge their fetters." That's why SoCon, Moron. You want to reinvent the wheel? Fine, you and Bruno move to Massachusetts and be very happy there trying to make babies together in a cloud of choom. Write if it's a boy or a girl or an other.
Reagan made the point that we are a nation with a government, and not the other way round. What makes a nation? Apparently, we need to spell it out for your type: (read my lips, fool) it is the family. Mom, Dad, and the kids. Not you and Bruno and skidmarks on the sheets. Not you and your ice machine. Not you and your beer bong.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (1V6Pv)

167 Newt wouldn't have done any worse than Romney (at least at the electoral vote level) nor would Santorum or Perry.

_________________

This is illogical--you cannot argue this point.

There is no way to prove that.

Posted by: The Third Rail at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (r2PLg)

168 >>>And once that sets in there's no going back.

Not so I think. All the so called "soft" socialisms of the world exist because they have us for kickbacks. When we go, they all go too. And then you will see one of two things re-emerge, a free society, or hard totalitarianism.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (0q2P7)

169 Sometimes if you get your ass kicked it's just cause the other side has more people and better firepower.

Is there a way Belgium could have "messaged better" to stop the Nazi invasion?

We are outnumbered. They hate us. They want us to suffer. Truth is we've been fighting above our weight-class for years because we do better at turn-out. But you can't hold back the tide forever.

Their tribe is bigger than our tribe. They win

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (ZPrif)

170 You all know what we need, right?

Posted by: Jeb Bush at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (jucos)

171 Rasmussen just tweeted that 12% made up their mind in the last week so I'm sticking with my conclusion that Mitt would have won but for an Act of God and Governor

Posted by: TD at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (DQMcq)

172 **You can't GOTV on independents. Everybody else showed up except them.**

that's why romney couldn't run without a wedge issue. Something to fire up the I's to vote, like W had with the war and Obama had with his skin color.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (QxSug)

173 Biden 2016.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (UK9cE)

174 Stop it with the "oh noes circular firing squad" shit. We took a thrashing, fingers will point and accusations will be leveled, its just part of losing. I see more people wondering what we will do now compared to people looking for someone to blame.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (T57vh)

175 If you own a business or are in charge of hiring or firing. Let go of every douche who voted for Barry. Tell them now with Obamacare kicking in our costs are going to skyrocket and we have to make cuts. So sorry but there's no other way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (1Jaio)

176 About the time that the decline will have occurred

and my 30 something sons are living the hunger games......2030.....


They'll be safe. The Tributes are always young children, not adults.

Ofcourse, it couldn't hurt to have them learn archery.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (GQ8sn)

177 It is time to change the message.
1) Scrap the term "liberal". Liberals are not liberal and despise liberty.
2) The MSM is the enemy of freedom. Treat them as such.
3) Hammer the fact that, other than abortion, the current left is completely anti-freedom. Right to work? Yea, right.
4) Finally, the message has to be a "freedom" message, not a "conservative" message. Every day, in every speech, the right has to point out that every new government program is one more loss of freedom to the government. Pick something to get the ball rolling like legalizing MJ, embrace it, and make it an issue for the right. At this point, it will gain us a lot more votes that loses us, and would change the political image of the right.

Just to be clear, I don't smoke pot and never have. It is obvious that Brand R. is not selling. It is time to re___ Brand R., and adopting a freedom message would do that.

Feel free to use my message and attribute it to me =)

Posted by: Grim at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (hLWio)

178 Tribalism is lower on the social heiarchy than is ideals. We will continue losing because of this unless we can turn the tables. Rubio/Generic Asian Woman 2016!!!

And frankly its hard for me to hate on Boehner. He's the only winner of the lot.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (t06LC)

179 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (/eBe8)

180 I told you all before - This election meant nothing to DrewM. The outcome was optimal for him. Politics is just a means to personal validation.

What a totally unlikeable touch-hole.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (ZrUUM)

181 86 C6Dave,

don't be...

nature will grant them Karmic balance when the shit hits the fan.

I won't hurt a senior...I try to be decent. their little buddies though....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (LRFds)

182 Charter schools. Secretly, evil white business men are getting these things going on. Worth looking into. Why do you think the NAACP hates them?

Posted by: check your heart at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (W5c4e)

183
THREADWINNER.

Sad but TRUE.
58Look, you got all kinds of assholes floating in from 3rd world countries, and they vote like 3rd world assholes. Its cultural, and you're not gonna change it.


Posted by: Berserker at November 07, 2012 02:04 PM (FMbng)

Posted by: AHFF at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (8l/6W)

184 You can say conservatism is "Liberty vs Tyranny" but that's not how the other side sells it. They sell themselves as the party of freedom. "You can have all the sex you want. You don't have to listen to the Rulez! Screw the man! You're not responsible!" They sell us as the buzzkill old farts.

Posted by: Iblis at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (9221z)

185
I for one, am not going to take it anymore. I'M GETTING IN THE FACE OF LEFTIST NOW. I'm talking to a leftist women, I ask her 'Why do you hate your child? Don't you know voting for nanny state is a death sentence for your child?' WHY DO YOU HATE CHILDREN???'

Posted by: Zac at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (F6KtL)

186 173 Biden 2016.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 07, 2012 02:45 PM (UK9cE)

2nd that!

Posted by: Schnack at November 07, 2012 02:47 PM (iHqLy)

187
"As a movement, having been rejected by the nation twice now in five years"
2010 never happened?

Posted by: Jess1 at November 07, 2012 02:47 PM (LwGY+)

188 I wish conservative radio, TV and blogs didn't spend so much time analyzing how our side appears through the MSM's twisted lens. Or any time at all. When they do, they're unwittingly allowing the left to control the dialogue.

Posted by: CJL at November 07, 2012 02:47 PM (3wa9V)

189 @171
If we must have a scape goat lets get a fattened one. Fuck Christie.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 07, 2012 02:47 PM (t06LC)

190 "154 Doesn't get much more polished than Scott Brown and he lost to an evil, marxist retard. "

All we got from Scott Brown was Dodd-Frank. Was his term worth it? Was all the electability stuff he did worth it?

We debase our principles to get elected and we wind up with nothing. The left sacrificed the House for Obamacare. It is now the law of the land. Would we ever do anything like that?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 02:47 PM (iO3BG)

191 I think I'm talking to myself while all these morons in-fight and waste time.

Posted by: check your heart at November 07, 2012 02:47 PM (W5c4e)

192 132
My guess is it will be Clinton vs Rubio in 2016.


Posted by: Paul at November 07, 2012 02:40 PM (xwVUV)

----------------------------------
And Clinton will win - handily. Obama proved last night that you can continue to monetize the debt and people will vote for you in spite of it - especially when you make a work-free lifestyle possible (free shit).

Liberals will continue printing money and giving away free shit until Europe collapses which will finally force us to confront the disaster that results.

I'm not saying we should give up - far from it. But, I'm saying it's just not possible to beat someone willing to give away free shit. Can. Not. Be. Done.

Posted by: Not and Artist at November 07, 2012 02:48 PM (uRumV)

193 I was in a bar one time and this guy goes berserk. Starts punching people and everything. I try to get out the way but he latches on to me!

There we were, he much larger than me, trading punches at the top of the stairs, and I was losing. Then, same as now, I came to the conclusion: sometimes the only way to resolve the standoff isto ridehim down the stairs.

We need to just get out of the way. Let next year's Derby winner The Grand Bargain carry their liberal flag afield as far as the horse will take them.

What this election tells us is that the only thing that will stop them is the failure that their policies will bring. For my part, Obama needs to hurry up and finish futzing up North Africa so I can fight that war instead of my children and we need to hit fiscal rock bottom as fast as possible so we can set about fixing it before it ruins our children's generation.

Posted by: sgmstv at November 07, 2012 02:48 PM (crTpS)

194 47
>>>How about we let people live their lives the way they want?

???? Because a society as a necessity has rules?

>>>>>That seemed to be pretty popular last night.

Where at exactly? And exactly what way?




Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (0q2P7)

Did you look at any other races other than the main event? Weed legalized in multiple states. Gay marriage legalized in multiple states. Akin and Murdoch LOSING IN FREAKING RED STATES. Wake up.

Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 02:48 PM (5UMyr)

195 "Stop the circular firing squads" = "How dare you remember how wrong I was! You have no right to hold that against me in the future!".

Accountability matters.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 02:48 PM (UfvyB)

196 The other day in Baltimore a white guy got beat half to death by 8 black guys who jumped him at the bus stop at random. Any advice on how he could have "messaged" better to avoid getting his ass kicked.

It's not about messaging. There are more Dems than Repubs and they hate us and want to curbstomp us. There is nothing we can say to convince them to not hate us.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (ZPrif)

197 If you own a business or are in charge of hiring or firing. Let go of every douche who voted for Barry. Tell them now with Obamacare kicking in our costs are going to skyrocket and we have to make cuts. So sorry but there's no other way
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (1Jaio)
-------------------------------------------------------------
But be prepared to be bankrupted by some grievance class jackel trial lawyer.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (jucos)

198 http://tinyurl.com/chu4ho5

can we send some horrible diseases into the big Liberal Cities

Posted by: Evilpens at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (ck76k)

199 As a movement, having been rejected by the nation twice now in five years, it is incumbent upon us to do the introspection we accuse the other side of being unwilling to undertake.

No. Introspection is not called for. Examination of external factors is the key. You can't sell American conservativism to Brazil, no matter how you present it. Brazil is not what America was and will not accept the system America was built on, which is why Brazil is Brazil.

We have played strong retail politics, only to have our message undercut by a hostile media. That does not obscure the fact that WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG in communicating our message.

The problem is not in the communication, it's in the makeup of our nation, which is no longer America. We let the third world flood in and they have killed this nation the minute they had the power to do so, allied with domestic race groups that hate America and guilt-ridden whites who are hankering for national suicide as their ultimate act of atonement for illusory transgressions.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (X3lox)

200 And notice how the media is going straight after the Tea Party and So-Cons. Remember, they will tell you who they truly fear.

They don't fear Republicans. They fear the Tea Party and the So-Cons.

Posted by: Iblis at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (9221z)

201 Fucked, fucked we are.

buzzfeed.com/mhastings/democratic-victory-will-unleash-obama-top-backers

Slama attended the evening's festivities with a group of Chicago businesspeople who’d all known and supported the president since he was a state senator in Illinois.

“I’m hopeful,” said Slama. “He’ll try to play to the middle, but he’s got the Tea Party to deal with, and he can take out his baseball bat and wail away and he won't have to worry about the implications of reelection.”

With the election of progressive Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts and Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin, Obama’s longtime backers feel the liberal spirit inside the president could be unleashed: climate change, gun control, and immigration reform perhaps heading to the top of the agenda. (After, that is, the “fiscal cliff.”)

Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (84pE9)

202 Social Cons vs Fiscal Cons...can this marriage be saved?

It has to be. Both sides of that fight need to tell their ultra-partisans to sit-down and shut up.

I'm both Fiscally Conservative and Socially Conservative. Honestly, I don't see how you can be one and not be both. Or, rather, I can, but I believe it takes some pretty serious cognitive dissonance to be a SoCon who is not also Fiscally Conservative, and it takes a lot more effort (in my view) to be a FiCon who is not also Socially Conservative.

The two compliment each other. Unfortunately, the SoCons have people like Mike Huckabee for their "spokes people" and the Fiscal Conservatives seem all too willing to throw SoCons to the wolves.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (/eBe8)

203 Mitt would have won but for an Act of God and Governor___

Well then God must luvz him some commiedonks.

Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (jm/9g)

204 What a totally unlikeable touch-hole.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (ZrUUM)


That's either hysterically awesome or awesomely hysterical.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (da5Wo)

205 Cause I'd really like to congratulate them on a job well done.

Posted by: DrewM.


Your reputation as a douchetool is well earned, Drew.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (QupBk)

206 Hmm. Looks like Ace will have to clean up his joint shortly...

Posted by: Jess1 at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (LwGY+)

207 49
How about we let people live their lives the way they want? That seemed to be pretty popular last night.

Yeah,
well the only problem with that - is a whole bunch of my supposed
countrymen just voted for me to live my life to meet their wants.


Posted by: Moose McKrank at November 07, 2012 02:03 PM (Xa1VJ)

Oh I'm sorry. Are you forced to have a gay marriage now? Are you forced to partake in the burning of the marijuana?

Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (5UMyr)

208 If you want to look for societal factors, I think you have to look at the education system for fucking us royally. Our arguments are too difficult to understand for the average voter who maintains something like a 5th grade reading level. Jesus Christ, we're selling enlightenment values to barely functional fuctards who have a difficult time deciphering the ingredients in Cheerios.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (t06LC)

209 Sometimes you have to let your kids take a face-plant. I view this as the same thing. They're only going to learn the hard way.

SURVIVE.

Posted by: esch at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (9XVgh)

210 >>>First, the Socons need to shut the hell up.

So do ficons. Romney hurt himself with "47%" just as much as Akin shot himself in the foot with the extremely wrong "Legitimate Rape"

Both sides have equal opportunity to suffer from foot in mouth disease. Like Ace said in an earlier post. Don't take the extreme under any circumstance, push your most defensible achievable stance on an issue, not the most extreme. And when you get that THEN move the goal post. That's what the left has been doing to us for YEARS.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (0q2P7)

211 Posted by: senator scott brown

Forget it, he's rolling.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (/kI1Q)

212 -------------------------------------------------------------

But be prepared to be bankrupted by some grievance class jackel trial lawyer.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (jucos)


A political affiliation is not a protected status. Yet.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (QKKT0)

213 It has to be. Both sides of that fight need to tell their ultra-partisans to sit-down and shut up.

I'm
both Fiscally Conservative and Socially Conservative. Honestly, I don't
see how you can be one and not be both. Or, rather, I can, but I
believe it takes some pretty serious cognitive dissonance to be a SoCon
who is not also Fiscally Conservative, and it takes a lot more effort
(in my view) to be a FiCon who is not also Socially Conservative.

The
two compliment each other. Unfortunately, the SoCons have people like
Mike Huckabee for their "spokes people" and the Fiscal Conservatives
seem all too willing to throw SoCons to the wolves.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (/eBe

THIS times a fucking billion

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (da5Wo)

214 Won't matter the message, or how we wish to convey it.

We've reached a critical mass where the majority of people like their "Free Stuff" and have embraced the politics of envy.

There is no cure for this using rhetoric, models, clay figures or pictures drawn in crayon.

The only cure, that I see, is reality crashing down upon the country, the Gods of the Copybook Headings, if you will.

Only when people stand around, looking at the smoking ruins of their lives amidst the carnage of a broken society attempting to be corralled by power mongers, then the clue bird will arrive for some. Not all by any stretch, but some.

Do I sound pretty apocalyptic? Meh. Perhaps. I prefer perhaps a little hyperbolic. I don't think the world is ending tomorrow and we will all need to build an Ark to survive.

But the ending will not be pretty. The ship of state is going a direction, the people are happy with what appears to be their own self interests, and the inertia is built up. Hard to impossible to shift it...

Posted by: 5th Machine at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (UpGCS)

215 "I think it's less a question of message and more a question of polish.
Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock are shining examples of that."

Akin needed more "polish"? Delusional nonsense. Utterly.

You could have had the most brilliantly artful diamond cutter in the world spend a decade meticulously working over that turd with costly micrometric tools and trying to put a mirror finish on it and it would still have been a turd.

Akin's core message was that women have magic rape sperm detectors which prevent pregnancies from rape. And that if a woman becomes pregnant after being raped, the rape must have not been a "legitimate" rape.

Let me repeat that for emphasis. Akin's core message was that women have magic rape sperm detectors which prevent pregnancies from rape. And that if a woman becomes pregnant after being raped, the rape must have not been a "legitimate" rape.

Disaster. Total disaster.

The entire party should have risen up and unanimously ejected him within 24 hours of that statement. Romney should have flown directly to Akin's home state and had a tarmac press conference and demanded that Akin quit.

None of that happened. To the enormous delight of the Democratic Party.

Mourdock didn't say anything as openly boneheaded as what Akin did. He did not display a huge misunderstanding of elementary school reproductive biology, as Akin did.

But Mourdock put his foot in his mouth on that subject AFTER the Akin flap had already elevated rapebortion to a national level issue that was hurting the party across the board. That is unforgivable incompetence. Absolutely unforgivable.

Yay socons!

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (ymG7s)

216 weed legalization
gay marriage
welfare provision
birth control pills and abortions

Wow, what's important to Americans.
We are truly a land of losers now.

Posted by: check your heart at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (W5c4e)

217

We are now seeing the result of the liberal educational agenda taught in our public schools since the late 70's/eraly 80's. There is an entire generation that has been vertically educated in social values and fairness to all. Emphasis on civics, classic literature, government, and most of all accurate history has diminished to the point of merely a footnote. Reading and writing skills are out of favor, verbal expression and creative spelling are in. Critical thinking is punished.

Posted by: DoverPro at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (wN82N)

218 I'm out....Drew is too much on a good day. Today? Uh uh.

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (X6akg)

219 Everyone is pissed and angry, give it time. Instead of point out that everyone is pissed and angry think of reasons why we shouldn't be.

Posted by: Drew in MO at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (T57vh)

220 If you own a business or are in charge of hiring or
firing. Let go of every douche who voted for Barry. Tell them now with
Obamacare kicking in our costs are going to skyrocket and we have to
make cuts. So sorry but there's no other way Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 02:46 PM (1Jaio)

Not a good plan. They will sue and own your business. Identify your best employees and gradually get rid of the others for good, verifiable reasons and for Goodness' sakes, have a paper trail and video tape any conferences.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (kXoT0)

221 "...WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG in communicating our message."
We most definitely are not communicating well. That being said, I believe it is because we allow the media to direct all political discussions. By doing so, they can aim any line of questioning to the left.
For example, when discussing abortion the media always turn the discussion to rape and incest or mother's health as if most abortions have anything to do with either. Most are simple the result of selfishness and convenience. Also they imply that Repubs want all abortions illegal. Not true most everyone has exceptions for such dramatic cases as rape and incest. But why do Repubs not re-direct the questioning back and ask the reporters (or the democrat, but I repeat myself) if they believe that it should be used as a means of birth control. Instead our guy always seems to fumble around until something stupid comes out that the media can spin.
Stop trying to play nice with the media. There has been a unspoken policy that says "if we are friendly with reporters they'll be good to us".. That never works. Treat them as the enemy because believe me they are.

Posted by: Pablito at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (72zAk)

222 *we need a GOP that actually walks the walk on smaller limited government.*

well, the last 4 years, we had no power and we won't for the next 4.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (QxSug)

223 Biden 2016

"Those bastards are going to take your free shit away"


Posted by: eleven at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (KXm42)

224 I can't stand the fucking condescending fucktards on FB. I have friended alot of my kids friends (25-30 yr olds) and there are some who are conservative and some that are libs. Out of respect for my kids I rarely engaged in political discussions with the libs. One of them is a black chick and I have met her, she seems nice but of course she voted for Obama. Last night I posted Goodbye America, it was a nice run. She has the fucking nerve this morning to say this
I know you're upset but you should still be thankful for this, love you just never agreed with you. I'll pray for you and others who are so upset.

Go fuck yourself sideways bitch. I don't need your fucking prayers.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (1hNQS)

225 The only way a majority of people are going to take an interest in conservative thought is if a majority of people are paying a lot of taxes.

I think its time for that to happen. I wish I could believe Boehner would stand tough on sequestration and the expiration of the tax cuts.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (PHb2k)

226 Are Mom and Dad having a fight?

Posted by: Little Moron at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (Ks4nX)

227 200 And notice how the media is going straight after the Tea Party and So-Cons. Remember, they will tell you who they truly fear.

They don't fear Republicans. They fear the Tea Party and the So-Cons.
Posted by: Iblis at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (9221z)

______________________

The media screamed like stuffed pigs about Bill Ayers--and Benghazi...


They didn't want to let Republicans go there.

They didn't report how a sitting Vice President lied during a national debate for the highest offices in the land about how he--Biden voted to send Americans to their deaths.

Posted by: The Third Rail at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (r2PLg)

228 BTW Allen West is not conceding and has demanded a full hand recount in St. Lucie.

He has a good case too: he was leading all night until a partial recount in St. Lucie magically found more Dem ballots. (This sounds strangely familiar...)

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (B/VB5)

229 @203
Nah, God just hates - HATES- him some stupid people.
Fun fact- during the War of 1812, a freak late season hurricane stopped the British from buring Washington. Now we have a hurricane saving Obamas job in Washington to burn the country. It has a rather nice symmetry I think.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 07, 2012 02:53 PM (t06LC)

230 How about we let people live their lives the way they want? That seemed to be pretty popular last night.

You must have been watching a different election. "Government control of every aspect of your life (with a temporary exception for uteruses of child-aborting vintage...see my post from earlier this morning about why it's only temporary)" was popular last night. "Letting people live their lives they way they want" got laughed off the stage.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 02:53 PM (/kI1Q)

231 They can stop passing continuing budget resolutions. A government shutdown would wake everybody up.

Posted by: not the mama at November 07, 2012 02:53 PM (kzCIn)

232 It's not that the majority wants free stuff.
Sure, free stuff trumps rational economic theory. But tribalism trumps free stuff.
95% of blacks didn't vote for Obama over free stuff.
They voted 95% for Obama to see a black man kick a white man's ass. They voted 95% for that visceral thrill of crushing the other tribe.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:53 PM (ZPrif)

233 But be prepared to be bankrupted by some grievance class jackel trial lawyer.



Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (jucos)





It would be presented as we hate to do this but the costs are going to be crippling and we have to make cuts. A lot of furrowed brows and we're very sorry please use us as reference. Good luck with finding job (in this market). They want some to pay, let it be them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (1Jaio)

234 I am sad this morning because I don't see how we can win the WH again w/o significant changes. Several ex-red states like CO, VA, NC, FL, NV etc..are now slightly blue or tilting blue

Some smart people better come up with some good ideas quick. BTW, if we think that an immigration reform bill can save us, you are delusional. Latinos will be happy of course but will keep for D.

So fvking depressed.

Posted by: daniel at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (s3RKL)

235 Here's an interesting thing. I agree that Akin should've been shown the door. But, look at Warren. She was equally as bad a candidate; yet, Team Blue rallied behind her and supported her to a win in a tough race.

Maybe that's actually what voters want? They just want to have a good sport that entertains them, and not actual principled politicians?

Posted by: Matt S. at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (moRRg)

236 ""(All that pot smoking some of you will be doing will limber your brain
up for easy take over. It happened to the boomers, you know.)
""


I smoked enough weed in my life to make choomster barak envious. Its isn't the weed, these people come out of the womb fucked up.I know a billion choomster right wingers. Saying its the weed just masks their true identity. Anti american lazy marxist jerkoffs right out of the womb.

Posted by: Berserker at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (FMbng)

237 And then you will see one of two things re-emerge, a free society, or hard totalitarianism.

The only place that America has appeared is...America. Europe, Russia, and China have no such history to fall back on. We were it, the novel idea across the ocean that our inalienable rights did not flow down from government.

Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (FcR7P)

238 @58 They sure still drive like it! OMG! The people who jet in from a tropical capitol, buy a powerful SUV, and blithely swan about even tho' they've never even seen snow, much less driven in it. Some of them learned to drive behind a pair of water buffaloes. Or, their last driving experience before coming here was driving the goats to the next sand dune.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (1V6Pv)

239 Everyone is pissed and angry, give it time. Instead of point out that
everyone is pissed and angry think of reasons why we shouldn't be.


Ummmm.....I'm not going to be unemployed immediately, as in the next 3 days, because it'll take a while?

Posted by: eleven at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (KXm42)

240 define conservatism in simple, sellable terms, and build from there.


You can't sell what people don't want to buy. Conservatism, at its core, depends on an acceptance that self-reliance and self-sufficiency are good things. I no longer believe that the majority of this country believes this is the case.


It is hard to take care of yourself. It is difficult to take responsibility for your actions. It is scary to know that you can fail. The majority of this country no longer wants to do anything hard, difficult or scary. There is no amount of messaging that can change that fact.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (Gk3SS)

241 That does not obscure the fact that WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG in communicating our message.
------


.... sorry guys. It aint our message, it's our PRODUCT. The electorate has changed.

de Tocqueville was right. The Free Shit Army is at our gates.



....the hurdle that CANNOT be overcome.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (yzX2R)

242 Google "Boston Shamrocks".

That's what the GOP is.

Posted by: tsj017 at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (4YUWF)

243 Well then God must luvz him some commiedonks. Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 02:49 PM (jm/9g)

I do not think that is it. What God does not love is over 50,000,000 and rising babies murdered by their Mothers. He judged Sodom and Gomorrah and they had nothing on us.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (kXoT0)

244 All we got from Scott Brown was Dodd-Frank. Was his term worth it? Was all the electability stuff he did worth it?


Scott Brown blocked the DREAM Act during the lame duck session. He was absolutely worth something.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 02:55 PM (S/ps/)

245 Well at least there was no literal pieces and bodies to pick up. But stand up, dust off, hug a loved one, lick ones wounds. And

These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the
sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his
country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of
man and woman.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this
consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the
triumph....Tomas Payne. 1776..

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 07, 2012 02:55 PM (Ea64Y)

246 Never surrender:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTw3_PmKtc

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 02:55 PM (XvHmy)

247 Posted by: jewells45 at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (1hNQS)
___
hahaha

especially if she's praying to a God that sends a fricken superstorm that lands in the front yard of a supercilious fat governor who throws all political loyalties aside to get him some Uncle Sugar.

'cause you know that's what the commiedonk "believers" think...that God must be on their side since he sent them the storm that delivered them. Ask Chrissy Tingles.

Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 02:55 PM (jm/9g)

248 Anybody else wondering how that legalizing marijuana in Colorado and Washington is going to play out with the federal government?

It's gonna be fun to see them try and square that circle.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 02:55 PM (BuSM8)

249 If the Republicans in the house are not willing to shut the government down over the budget, I'm not willing to vote Republican.

Posted by: JBS at November 07, 2012 02:55 PM (naUf7)

250 BTW, just saw that link. W got 62M votes in 2004. Bring back Karl Rove, please!

GOTV FTW

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:56 PM (QxSug)

251 "231 They can stop passing continuing budget resolutions. A government shutdown would wake everybody up."

Boehner won't do it. He doesn't want to have the press compare hom to Newt. The prospect terrifies him.

Boehner will give Barry close to everything he wants.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 02:56 PM (iO3BG)

252 @88, I wonder if it is this thinking that helped BO into a second term. Your fear of of what a conservative might do in the social arena, notwithstanding the many checks protecting our social rights, compels you to accept and perpetuate the animal farm experiment. A little irony is you now get what you don't want; expansion of Roe, on your dime, and less people with any skin in the game. Enjoy the cake!

Posted by: R. Aurum Tar at November 07, 2012 02:56 PM (taHaS)

253 Here's a thought. Change the politi-speak.

Just as 'Liberal' became an albatross and was changed to 'Progressive'

'Conservative' really isn't a one-word explanation of what we are, is it?

How about Republicans, the 'Liberty Party' ? I know, there's already 'Libertarian' -- not quite congruent but close.

Well, how about 'Classical Liberal' -- that one would give them fits.

I've no problem with 'Conservative' but to the Facebook dummies of the world, the word is already equated to fuddy duddy or uncool, man, or vagina police, etc.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (j2McS)

254 I need a hobby to replace my obsession with politics. Knitting. Shooting. Keeping fat girls in a well in my basement. Something to take my mind off this mess.

Posted by: joncelli, reduced to platitudes at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

255 I can hardly wait for Dick Morris' next book. You can go to his website, right now, dickmorris dot com, and preorder it.

And Bill O'Reilly's. It explains how we lost because Mitt was not 'bold and fresh."

I defile myself.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (zpqa2)

256 @215
Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 02:51 PM (ymG7s)
Right on. Exactly right. The Senate is way to damn important to let idiots like Akin and Mourdock represent the Republican party. If we're losing senate seats in states that are voting against Obama by 10 points, you and your ideology and the 38% support you garner should go climb under a rock, and think about what you've done. Screw you people.

Posted by: Schnack at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (iHqLy)

257 BTW, rehash and discuss all you like, but I really don't think any changes the GOP makes are going to matter. We're not going to be given another chance to fix things...at least not in the voting booth. In case some here have not figured it out yet, what you are witnessing is a slow motion coup d'etat...one that's about to pick up speed...just ask Harry Reid...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/d7zuonq

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (qEkGZ)

258 Blaming our messaging is like a rape victim wondering what she did wrong to get raped.

The Dem coalition has wanted to rape and destroy us for decades. They finally got large and powerful enough to do it.

It's not our messaging that is the problem. It's their evil rapeyness.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (ZPrif)

259 so the electorate is changing...gee thanks W for not changing immigration.

BTW, amnesty is/was a big poll loser, so why do it?

Now, we get 100K new Americans a month.

So, I guess they come for free cheese or something.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (QxSug)

260 OMG - What if the reason why Obama looked so lost recently was that some of his people told him what was coming? What if he actually believed we could keep spending like we are, with no consequences, if we just taxed "The Rich?" What if some of his people had to explain that what Mitt etc have said is true: it is not enough money, even if you take 100% of their money? Wht if he actually believed his own claptrap?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (opS9C)

261
184: "You can have all the sex you want. You don't have to listen to the Rulez! "
Actually in LA the law now requires you to wear a condom if you are filming your sex. So don't believe them when they say they want government out of the bedroom. And don't beleive them when they say they want choice. They just want to set the rules by which other must live.

Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (Ho3p+)

262
Boehner will give Barry close to everything he wants.

But only in return for something really good.

Like, say, three magic beans.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (jUytm)

263 Anti american lazy marxist jerkoffs right out of the womb.




Posted by: Berserker at November 07, 2012 02:54 PM (FMbng)



Barry: You rang?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (1Jaio)

264

"Clinton vs Rubio in 2016. "


Sequestration is looming: BO and Reid caused it, MAKE them own it ... and the cuts it requires.

Another US Credit Downgrade? BO.

Unemployment oozes back over 8%? This was never Bush's fault.

23 30 million unemployed?


If the next 4 years are anything like the last 4 years, and it looks like they will be worse, AND IF the 'R's make BO and the 'D's own their policies, actions and results, no competitive Democrat will want to run in 2016. Alternatively, whoever does is finished.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (rlWf0)

265
The left is in control of education, top to bottom, and the media, both information and entertainment. We are fucked nationallyuntil we have another Carter scale crises, double digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment.

Posted by: Javems at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (c8xU9)

266 248 Anybody else wondering how that legalizing marijuana in Colorado and Washington is going to play out with the federal government?

It's gonna be fun to see them try and square that circle.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 02:55 PM (BuSM


Harrumph.
Taxes are going to the school system.
We're funding schools with drug money.

IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (Qxe/p)

267 Hey, how about we run a populist libertarian woman who's a socon hero?

Naah, unthinkable.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (oDtYC)

268 Oh I'm sorry. Are you forced to have a gay marriage now? Are you forced to partake in the burning of the marijuana?

-------

Maybe you missed it, but Barack Obama, the guy who wants to tax those who actually do shit to give hand-outs to those who do not got elected.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (arczc)

269 For my entire voting life...Nixon to Romney, I have watched conservatives strive to save an ever smaller piece of America.

Barring secession, there is nothing left. The demographics have us beat. This is a center-left country now and I no longer fit in.

Going Galt is not really possible, but on the other paw, going Honey Badger is doable.

Posted by: trainer can see the Atlantic from his house at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (QbdUW)

270 254 I need a hobby to replace my obsession with politics. Knitting. Shooting. Keeping fat girls in a well in my basement. Something to take my mind off this mess.
Posted by: joncelli, reduced to platitudes at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

------------------------

Same here.

I was going to get a puppy...

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (r2PLg)

271 DrewM, --

It would seem that your time here on Ace of Spades HQ is coming to an end.

You're the worst sort of fake-conservative, BTW: you're in it not out of any principle, but only out of a desire for self-validation.

Oh, and by the way, you don't even get that because your thesis is actually wrong. You ask, "how much worse could Santorum or Gingrich have done?" and the answer is A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT WORSE. Imagine massive losses in the House, perhaps flipping it back to the Dems. Imagine losing states like MT, MO, and AZ on the Presidential level. Imagine Jeff Flake and Dean Heller losing their re-elects. That's what a massive top-of-ticket drag would have created.

You're not even considering the question rationally, because frankly you seem to care more about rubbing people's faces in shit so you can crow about how 'right' you were. But you're not even succeeding at that. We were ALL wrong about this election, in a very real way. But you? You were much, much more wrong than the rest of us.

I don't think I'll miss you when you're gone from here, DrewM. Which I anticipate will be very, very soon.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (GzATR)

272 I heard Israel was nice. Nice beaches, and stuff. Too bad about he new Sharia law there.

israelmatzav.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/valerie-jarretts-payback-time.html


Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2012 02:59 PM (84pE9)

273 I need a hobby to replace my obsession with politics. Knitting.
Shooting. Keeping fat girls in a well in my basement. Something to take
my mind off this mess.


What about blogging? I think AllenG might have one of those. Not certain though.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 02:59 PM (GQ8sn)

274 If you ask me (and nobody is), we need to go down a darker path of spending a lot more resources devoted to sullying the Democrat brand.

After all, they're the party of racism, they're the party of division. They're the party of fraud and corruption. They're the party of 1984, thought control and the police state.

A relentless, unceasing, constant war of demagoguery is what is in order. Turn Obama's negative ad campaign in Ohio into a national movement.

We need to fully embrace the Breitbart tact. We need to mobilize and promote counter-culture icons. We need a media that can reach the low-information voters with a message they can relate to.




Posted by: hisfrogness at November 07, 2012 02:59 PM (6orKY)

275 Maybe the commiedonks will add Superstorm Sandy to their pantheon of gods and idols...

right before Goddess Valeria Jarrettius
but after Omnificent Deity Preznit Revenge

Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 02:59 PM (jm/9g)

276
"I think it's less a question of message and more a question of polish.
Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock are shining examples of that."
Hmmm. I took it as "they" were the part that would be knocked off by said polishing...
The balance of your post = X1000!

Posted by: Jess1 at November 07, 2012 02:59 PM (LwGY+)

277 Drew M should go.

Everybody needs to ensure this

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (uvNSk)

278 We, as a movement and a party, need to grow a set of balls and play dirty. We need to start playing the Chicago way. If we keep sticking to a higher moral and ethical standard than the other guy, we will lose: This is politics people, time to start punching back and hitting below the belt when necessary. We can't win if we play by a different set of rules.

Posted by: Suzy at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (7by30)

279 Are Mom and Dad having a fight?
Posted by: Little Moron at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (Ks4nX)
--------------------------------------------------------
Daddy left because you cry too much.

Posted by: Mommy at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (jucos)

280 nybody else wondering how that legalizing marijuana in Colorado and Washington is going to play out with the federal government?

It's gonna be fun to see them try and square that circle. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 07, 2012 02:55 PM (BuSM

I don't worry about it--because the cartels will never allow it. They will murder anyone who gets anywhere close to it. You will get your drugs through them and their violent distributors. PERIOD.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (kXoT0)

281 @240 and Michael's piece, it will be a long haul.
Logic.
Arithmetic and enough algebra to do financial calculations.
At least the most rudimentary facts of economics, Gresham's law, for example.
The U.S. Constitution.
Marksmanship training.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (1V6Pv)

282 Making them "own it" won't mean shit.
First, we can't make anybody own anything. We don't control the media. Obama hasn't "owned" the last 4 years. He won't "own" the next. Unless it's good news, then he will. If it's bad than Boehner or Bush or evil, racist white businessmen.

FDR "owned" the Great Depression to 4 terms in office.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (ZPrif)

283
>>>Oh I'm sorry. Are you forced to have a gay marriage now? Are you forced to partake in the burning of the marijuana?

1. I have to pay people to sit around and smoke MJ. When we are willing to let someone STARVE TO DEATH on their own choices regarding drug use, then I will whole heartedly support their "right" to recreationally use.

2. Marriage is a state sanctioned and administered compact. The only reason the state has ANY justification in defining, regulating and otherwise controlling human relationships is because of children. If the State cedes that children in fact are not the critical interest in marriage then the State has no business at all recognizing, regulating, incentivising or in any other way involving itself in marriage or any other human relationship between consenting adults.

This is why gay marriage is non-sequitur. To insist that gay people have the "right" to marry is also to assert logically that the state should have nothing at all to do with marriage.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (0q2P7)

284 Boehner will give Barry close to everything he wants.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 02:56 PM (iO3BG)


Then it'll all burn.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (X3lox)

285 I need a hobby to replace my obsession with
politics. Knitting. Shooting. Keeping fat girls in a well in my
basement. Something to take my mind off this mess. Posted by: joncelli, reduced to platitudes at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

Gardening, canning, and freezing, those fat girls like to eat.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (kXoT0)

286 It is the MSM and entertainment industry which has sold the idea to a small majority (repeat small) of American people that you can get something for nothing and that Obama is a moderate and conservatives are racist, bigoted, and greedy.

You can't win the war unless you control the message. We must wage war on the MSM and entertainment industry first. Boycott the major networks, boycott major movies containing progressive actors, etc.

You have to give the socialist credit, by re-branding themselves progressives and liberal it makes them sound compassionate and forward thinking, while we are stuck with the term conservatives which makes us sound backward, against the future.

We have to change that dynamic somehow. This needs to be a battle over liberty vs. tyranny, and not conservatism vs. liberalism. We need to change our tactics. or lose the game. The Tea Party, although somewhat disorganized and confused at times, was on the right path by trying to change the dynamic to a liberty vs. tyranny argument. That is one reason why I do favor a "classical liberal" re-branding of ourselves replacing the term conservative. It sound better to un-informed people, and considering classical liberals created modern democratic style government in the first place it makes us the inheritor of that legacy, while we must brand the progressives as fascist & statist, and corrupt ones at that.

Posted by: William Eaton at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (rwioF)

287 254
I need a hobby to replace my obsession with politics. Knitting.
Shooting. Keeping fat girls in a well in my basement. Something to take
my mind off this mess.


Posted by: joncelli, reduced to platitudes at November 07, 2012 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

well, the women in basement isn't of big interest to me, but I do need to find something. my friends laughed when I told them I might start cleaning.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (HNwOT)

288 How about we let people live their lives the way they want? That seemed to be pretty popular last night.


Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 01:59 PM (5UMyr)



Like Bloomberg and the other lefties let people eat, drink and live their lives like they want? The left wants to run your life more than one else out there.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (1Jaio)

289 Where's Drew's latest gem? Is it a post number in here?

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (UvR6d)

290 A lot more people are about to lose their jobs. And not just those delayed til the election from sequestration and defense companies.
Posted by: Village Idiot at November 07, 2012 01:52 PM (utXSy)


------------------------------------------


Earlier this morning I got gas at a 7/ll in a strip mall. Two "Help Wanted" signs that I saw yesterday are gone now.

Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (EUJBD)

291 Blaming the messaging is what Dems would do.

Honestly, the only thing that'll help right now is letting the country crash and burn. It'll take another Carter, but fortunately, we just got one.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (a0nis)

292 Posted by: Sherry McEvil

Who is the new hawt chick?

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (SDkq3)

293 well, the last 4 years, we had no power and we won't for the next 4.

Not strictly true. Remember that Republicans got the the "Bush Tax Cuts" extended without either the Senate or the Presidency.

This is what's so frustrating. Look at the facts- when Democrats actually try to pursue their goals, they require super-majorities in Congress AND the Presidency to get them. 60 Votes needed to "get anything done" in the senate? Only if your "anything" is more Marxism. GW never had a supermajority in the Senate, and was still able to get a lot done (of course, not all of that was good but the point stands).

We still have the house, which still has the purse strings. Let taxes go up. That'll suck for everybody- but it will suck for EVERYBODY. The free-stuff crowd will look around and realize they've been hit on two sides- they're getting less in Government Subsidies, and those evil corporations will be hiring even less than they are now.

But, ultimately, I think we're doomed. Reality won't be denied, but >50% of the Republic wants to try it.

Maybe when the smoke clears we can try again. Or maybe Texas will actually secede. I'd take either, at this point.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (/eBe8)

294 re: "The only way a majority of people are going to take an interest in conservative thought is if a majority of people are paying a lot of taxes."

The belief that Americans are "undertaxed" correlates positively with the believer's *taxes paid.*

Understand?

Taxing people doesn't make them want to be less taxed; it doesn't inspire resistance. It makes them want OTHER PEOPLE taxed more. People with "skin in the game" want to see other people GET SKINNED.

This is how we got here.

Posted by: oblig. at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (cePv8)

295 The problem with the whole bring on the collapse sooner than later is that the elites and the free shit army don't want collapse, they want the gradual decline that they can ride for many years.

What they want, they will, unfortunately, get since we do not have any power to force the issue.

Posted by: KG at November 07, 2012 03:02 PM (p7BzH)

296 "Of course it's hard....if it was easy...."




http://tinyurl.com/a5vgb4w

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 07, 2012 03:02 PM (da5Wo)

297 The Democratic "Nominee" for the 2016 "Election" will have a last name of Obama (Barak or Michelle) or maybe the name of the God-Emporer's 2nd wife, Jarret. If you think Obama cares about the 22nd amenendment you're deluding yourself. All he needs is one more Supreme and the expected roll-over by Roberts and it's Dictator-for-Life.
Look up Argentina and Peron.

Posted by: Jaylord at November 07, 2012 03:02 PM (RuF8n)

298 i already garden but have some physical disabilities (mental, too, probably). love to cook but that is fattening

Posted by: kelley in virginia at November 07, 2012 03:02 PM (HNwOT)

299 For the first time in my short life, I'm confident that the future will not be as good as the past. I can't get motivated to do anything today, even with a hot lead on a job. Oh, I'll be sending over my resume, but part of me says, "what's the use?" Over half of my earnings are going to pay for some dumbshit's bama pho while I'm still using a fking tracfone and 2002 Dell desktop and driving a 14-year old car so I can give money to my church and put 6% of my salary in a 401(k) that's going to be appropriated by the Almighty State before I can retire anyway.

Now where did I put that hiring managers business card?

Posted by: Dante at November 07, 2012 03:02 PM (NWLVJ)

300 I continue to be amazed that a people who punish success and reward failure believe that prosperity will result

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (wwsoB)

301 @74

It all sounds good....but your dreaming. Vote Democrat from here on out and shove Socialism down the throats of this country. It is the only way to regain the special sauce that made this country great.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (uvNSk)

302
Gardening, canning, and freezing, those fat girls like to eat.



They also like lotion.

At least, that's what I hear....

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (GQ8sn)

303 The majority of this country no longer wants to do anything hard,
difficult or scary. There is no amount of messaging that can change that
fact.


Yup.

Oh I'm sorry. Are you forced to have a gay marriage now? Are you forced to partake in the burning of the marijuana?


What happens to churches who refuse to perform gay "marriage" ceremonies? First Amendment is dead, you will all follow the state religion (Fascism).

Keeping fat girls in a well in my basement.

Can I bring my cats?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (/kI1Q)

304 279 Are Mom and Dad having a fight?
Posted by: Little Moron at November 07, 2012 02:52 PM (Ks4nX)
--------------------------------------------------------
Daddy left because you cry too much.
Posted by: Mommy at November 07, 2012 03:00 PM (jucos)

___________


But, Mommy had a three way with Peggy Noonan, and David Brooks...

They did weird things with silver spoons..

Posted by: The Toddler whose Seen Too Much at The Q at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (r2PLg)

305 we're selling enlightenment values to barely
functional fuctards who have a difficult time deciphering the
ingredients in Cheerios.

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 07, 2012 02:50 PM (t06LC)------------------------------


My first laugh of the day. Thanks. For a while there I thought I might never laugh again.

Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (P6QsQ)

306 We said leading up to this election this was our 'last chance'. Let's be true to our word and not start hanging our hats on the next R's turn in 2016. Time to get to work doing something different, even if that now means only waiting for the reset which awaits at the bottom of the cliff.

Personally, I'm done with the Rah-rah GOP strategy. Turning in my GOP Base ID card.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (zpqa2)

307 274
If you ask me . . . We need to fully embrace the Breitbart tact. We need to mobilize and
promote counter-culture icons. We need a media that can reach the
low-information voters with a message they can relate to. Posted by: hisfrogness



THIS!!

Influencing/Controlling popular culture is the key. THE. KEY.




Posted by: Sphynx at November 07, 2012 03:04 PM (j2McS)

308
Isn't blaming the messaging and not the substance the same thing that liberals do?

Posted by: maloderous at November 07, 2012 03:04 PM (p2s4o)

309
"Then, same as now, I came to the conclusion: sometimes the only way to resolve the standoff isto ride him down the stairs."

If I was in the same room as you right now, I'd have to Bro Hug you. Don't fight it, man, because you're getting one. No homo though.

Big respect.

Posted by: Jaws at November 07, 2012 03:04 PM (4I3Uo)

310 Conservatism faces too much cultural headwind -- media, Hollywood, academia, etc. it just isn't cool. The marriage between fiscal and social conservatives is never going to work out. Of the two, fiscal conservatism is essential, as it means the difference as to whether our country can survive. Social conservatism is an uncool way to impose social views on an unwilling populace. Those values are important for society, don't get me wrong, but legislating them is the wrong way to go about it. Change people's ways, through social evangelism, not through imposing legislation and state coercion. With a libertarian social view and strict fiscal conservatism, we just might have a chance to appeal to the yoots and other hip folks on the coasts. Hell, even Bill Maher claims to be a libertarian.

Posted by: Tommylotto at November 07, 2012 03:04 PM (LBxr1)

311 Mitt fucking Romney is seen by over half of the voting American electorate as "too extreme right wing." Which means, we're fucked. The game is over. There is no soul-searching, no figuring out how to better package a conservative message to the masses, because the masses were sold Conservatism Lite, and found it to be too dangerous for consumption. It's not about so-cons vs fi-cons vs foreign policy cons, because if Mitt Fucking Romney running a fairly strong and taught campaign is perceived as "taking us back 100 years," then how is an actual conservative gonna win?

Spoiler: it ain't, and we're fucked. Get ready for a perpetually Progressive SCOTUS, Muslim "outreach" on ALL fronts including the complete abandonment of Israel as an ally, ever increasing public "investment" into crony fascism (it is in no way capitalism) and the entitlement class, and growing international belligerence aimed at the USA. And there's nowhere for us to go. I have a pit in my stomach when I think about just how ugly it could get, and how soon it might get there.

Posted by: holygoat at November 07, 2012 03:04 PM (IGIFh)

312
Last night was it for me. I am too old and too tired to fight any more. Just nothing left inside me.
I'm putting my guns and money and Bibleon the front yard to make it easier for the government to come by and take them. They are going to take them in the next couple of years regardless -- through higher taxes and UN treaties.
Conservatism in this country died last night -- not with a fight but with a wimper. I finally understand Moo-chelle, in that I am now incredibly ashamed to be an American today.
I just hope that Obamacare includes free Vaseline, for the reaming we are all going to be leaning over and taking the next four years. I may spend my spare time brushing up on how the new owners of this country, either the Chinese or Arabs, will tell me to "bend over and take it like a peasant". Maybe they will give me a ripped up piece of the Constitution to wipe myself with when they get finished, since our country won't be needing that wasted piece of paper once Obama gets to flip one of the conservatives on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Dirk The Imapailer at November 07, 2012 03:05 PM (VXT9J)

313 America was good while it lasted. It's dead and the Left killed it. Such is life.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 03:05 PM (ZPrif)

314 297 The Democratic "Nominee" for the 2016 "Election" will have a last name of Obama (Barak or Michelle) or maybe the name of the God-Emporer's 2nd wife, Jarret. If you think Obama cares about the 22nd amenendment you're deluding yourself. All he needs is one more Supreme and the expected roll-over by Roberts and it's Dictator-for-Life.
Look up Argentina and Peron.
Posted by: Jaylord at November 07, 2012 03:02 PM (RuF8n)
_______
It's the road to serfdom. Dear Leader's flawless plan didn't work because he didn't have enough power. The central planners need more authority, then all will be well.

Posted by: Dante at November 07, 2012 03:05 PM (NWLVJ)

315 And who sucks at grammar.

I might go learn English...

Posted by: The Toddler whose Seen Too Much at The Q at November 07, 2012 03:05 PM (r2PLg)

316 "Then it'll all burn."

Bear in mind "all" = "our houses."

Barbarians don't starve when they run out loot. They pillage. That's what we have to look forward to when it collapses.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 03:05 PM (iO3BG)

317 306
Dont care what the GOP does, even less now, for me: IT'S GO TIME

http://s7.postimage.org/f14tm6ayj/803.jpg


Posted by: Shiggz RoketSturgeon at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (RfvTE)


HAHAHA!!! That kid is ready to fuck some shit up!!!

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 03:05 PM (GQ8sn)

318 Enjoy the incoming storm, Governor Krispy Kreme.

Put in a call for help to your BFF at the WH. Don't hold your breath waiting for another visit/photo op, though. That candle has been burned.

How does it feel to be a used condom, BTW?

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 07, 2012 03:06 PM (JJ+PT)

319 >>>That does not obscure the fact that WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG in communicating our message.

Isn't this the same thing we accuse the Left of doing? "Reframing" everything but not learning from their rebukes?

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 07, 2012 03:06 PM (3ZtZW)

320 Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 03:03 PM (wwsoB)
__
They think that all we have to do is tax millionaires and billionaires at 99 per cent and the gravy train will continue uninterrupted. They have no concept that the wealthy ALWAYS find a way to hold on to their money.

They conveniently forget that Saint John Lennon of Imagine There's No Heaven expatriated England and settled in NYC to avoid a 90% tax hit.

Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 03:06 PM (jm/9g)

321 drudge just updated the popular vote
tfg got a bump

Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (LpQbZ)

322 Communication of conservative ideas. People are stupid, ideas have to be simple.
Obama = free stuff - that is a very easy argument
Republicans have to go with choice vs government control as their theme.

Posted by: Nat at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (Ii3Nc)

323 I'm honestly wondering if the right path is just joining the Democrat Party and making them something like Clinton/DLC.

You get all the minorities and media in your back pocket, then just have some basic common sense budget and tax policies that isn't overly hostile to free enterprise. that's all I really care about, I could give two shits about uteruses or gay people.

Posted by: McAdams at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (ZI/Cb)

324 Hannity I never wanna hear "Stop Obama Express" again. We can't nice try though.

Posted by: Scratch One Republic at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (9ghZ6)

325 "Free Shit Army" = disease vectors.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (1V6Pv)

326 I told you all before - This election meant nothing to DrewM. The
outcome was optimal for him. Politics is just a means to personal
validation.



What a totally unlikeable touch-hole.


Are we going to go after Drew with torches and pitchforks now?

OK, who's handing out the pitchforks?

Posted by: eleven at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (KXm42)

327 Keeping fat girls in a well in my basement.


I'm not going in a well without a fight.


Now, if you'll excuse me, those lemon bar won't eat themselves.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (Gk3SS)

328 Conservatism in this country died last night -- not with a fight but
with a wimper. I finally understand Moo-chelle, in that I am now
incredibly ashamed to be an American today.
Posted by: Dirk The Imapailer


Oh, good Lord. Lighten up, Nancy.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (j2McS)

329 >>>What kind of idiot is going to invest and hire with this kind of uncertainty and risk for the next 4 years?

Oh, I don't think there's going to be any uncertainty in the markets for awhile.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (3ZtZW)

330 Bear in mind "all" = "our houses."



Barbarians don't starve when they run out loot. They pillage. That's what we have to look forward to when it collapses.


Either that, or go along for the ride that will crash in about another decade.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (GQ8sn)

331 What exactly is it that we should do to tinker with messaging? Stop with the nonsense talk about liberty, hard work, and the American dream?

I think we tinker around the edges and toss out condoms and birth control to people at each campaign stop. That might get us 10 points with the single women demographic that is crushing us. So there's an idea for everybody to chew on. What are some more messaging ideas?

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 03:07 PM (UvR6d)

332 >>>Maybe you missed it, but Barack Obama, the guy who
wants to tax those who actually do shit to give hand-outs to those who
do not got elected.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (arczc)

Work for cash and starve the beast.

Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (5UMyr)

333 Mary Matalin is worth reading here: http://preview.tinyurl.com/cgosm34

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (1V6Pv)

334 Over half of my earnings are going to pay for some dumbshit's bama pho
while I'm still using a fking tracfone and 2002 Dell desktop and driving
a 14-year old car so I can give money to my church and put 6% of my
salary in a 401(k) that's going to be appropriated by the Almighty State
before I can retire anyway.


And the Free Shit Army hates our fucking guts. We're "privileged" to be working so hard and scraping by, so pay up, and with every handout they hate us more and more.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (/kI1Q)

335 I have an idea for a GOP handout...

Free Guns and Ammunition! We should all have to power to arm ourselves for protection against the "man". Don't we all deserve not to be protected like Hollywood actors and wealthy Ivy League intellectuals?

Equality in Self Defense!!!!




Posted by: William Eaton at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (rwioF)

336 Here comes fore more wasted years.

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (UZQM8)

337 So--biggest shock of the evening?

I'm going to say--Florida.

I'm still refreshing the votes.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (r2PLg)

338 How about we let people live their lives the way they want? That seemed to be pretty popular last night.


We can do that, Little Man, just as long as they don't make the wrong decisions.

Posted by: Mike Bloomberg at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (z9HTb)

339 We're reaching another fiscal cliff, they'll no doubt raise the debt ceiling even if it turns our debt issue into junk status, and they believe that all we have to do is print more money and we'll stay rich

What happens when the money gets tight for real and some of the piggies are told they'll have to wait in line at the trough?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 03:09 PM (wwsoB)

340 I'm not going in a well without a fight.


Now, if you'll excuse me, those lemon bar won't eat themselves.


It puts the lemon bar in the pie-hole or it gets the hose again.

Posted by: EC at November 07, 2012 03:09 PM (GQ8sn)

341 I heard Israel was nice. Nice beaches, and stuff.

Glass reflects too much sunlight. I don't think I'll go there.

Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 03:09 PM (FcR7P)

342
We can't reach low information voters with a message of substance they just don't think that way trust me.they think on a level that is at best rudimentary.

Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 03:09 PM (AW9md)

343 Obama = free stuff - that is a very easy argument

Republicans have to go with choice vs government control as their theme.


The rat cage comes with a lever that drops a food pellet when you press it.

Why would a rat want to leave the cage?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:09 PM (/kI1Q)

344 So is Mitt going to meet with Barry?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (iO3BG)

345 btw, I hope you guys have a reject list of bollywood actors/actresses handy.
I will not buy DVDs or go see them at the movies anymore. It is a small part we can do , that's all

Posted by: daniel at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (s3RKL)

346 It puts the lemon bar in the pie-hole or it gets the hose again.


Yeah. That's not currently a problem.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (Gk3SS)

347
I continue to be amazed that a people who punish success and reward failure believe that prosperity will result


If you're in the political class apparently working swimmingly.

Posted by: eleven at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (KXm42)

348 remember Zelaya.

Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (Ho3p+)

349 Imagine if we used that 1 billion dollars to ship a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman book to 50 million households?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (UypUQ)

350

>>>Like Bloomberg and the other lefties let
people eat, drink and live their lives like they want? The left wants to
run your life more than one else out there.


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 03:01 PM (1Jaio)

What's up with all this false equivalency? I'm talking about moving in a libertarian direction, which is actually what our founders had in mind.

Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (5UMyr)

351 The Electorate = Duk Koo Kim
Obama = Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (jucos)

352 Bear in mind "all" = "our houses."

Barbarians don't starve when they run out loot. They pillage. That's what we have to look forward to when it collapses.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 03:05 PM (iO3BG)


I'm well aware. Nothing you or I can do about that. This nation voted for suicide. Twice - just to make certain.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 03:11 PM (X3lox)

353 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (GzATR)

My days here are coming to an end? Maybe you know something I don't but until then....here I am.

And even if I do go, at least you'll still be here to browbeat into accepting your lousy advice, so there's that.

Oh and down ticket races? The GOP got clobbered last night. I guess you missed that.

Yes, they did ok in the House by that was entirely because of redistricting, something that would not have been impacted by a change at the top of the ticket.

What Race did Romney at the top save in the Senate?

And maybe you're right and Romney was the best choice out there. The fact is we'll never know. All we know is the Great Hope of Moderate Electability maybe managed to equal John McCain's vote total.

But yes, let's focus on how awful the people who warned about all of this were and coddle the people who were terrifically wrong. You meant well, right? In the brave new Obama world, that's all that counts I guess.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 03:11 PM (UfvyB)

354
This post won't make any difference, but here it goes:


Our message is too damn complicated for "X-Factor" viewers. We sell it as federalism, plain and simple. Power to the states. They have their worker's paradise and we have our freedom. Everybody wins. We can sell that.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 07, 2012 03:11 PM (xXhWA)

355 I think the right strategy for entitlements for now is to grab all you can. I'll bet there are a slew of programs with benefits that we should be looking into...

Posted by: BruinEric at November 07, 2012 03:11 PM (XQOtG)

356 @350

It wouldn't have done any good...they are too lazy to read it.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:11 PM (uvNSk)

357 Imagine if we used that 1 billion dollars to ship a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman book to 50 million households?

About as useful as pissing into the wind.

The people who are willing to understand it already do.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 03:12 PM (/eBe8)

358 The Dem voter is the voter Earl Butts(sic) talked about but on a vastly larger scale. Loose shoes, tight p****, and a warm place to s***. If they have this, who cares? If it's government supplied, all the better.

Posted by: ejo at November 07, 2012 03:12 PM (GXvSO)

359 350 Imagine if we used that 1 billion dollars to ship a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman book to 50 million households?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (UypUQ)

Or $20 bucks to ship one to Chris Christie's place?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:12 PM (UypUQ)

360 We need to refuse to extend the Bush tax cuts, even if they're willing to cave on the top bracket. People need to feel the hurt. No pain, no gain.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 07, 2012 03:12 PM (a0nis)

361 I just want to see a sequel to that old commiedonks at the Rosebud Nursing Home video. It would show what happens to gramma in wheelchair, lady cockpunching Romney and voyeur grandpa when Obamacare goes into full effect.

Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 03:12 PM (jm/9g)

362 350 Imagine if we used that 1 billion dollars to ship a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman book to 50 million households?
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (UypUQ)
__________
There may only be 50 million households with literate individuals, and they weren't the ones who voted for free shit.

"Oh cool, a free book! No pictures? WTF?"

Posted by: Dante at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (NWLVJ)

363 Imagine if we used that 1 billion dollars to ship a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman book to 50 million households?

What? There's no pictures of Bella...

Posted by: 50 Million Illiiterates at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (FcR7P)

364 Work for cash and starve the beast.

Posted by: txconservative


Are a ditch digger? We of the high skills set find that corporations like to use checks.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (QupBk)

365 Enjoy the incoming storm, Governor Krispy Kreme.

Put
in a call for help to your BFF at the WH. Don't hold your breath
waiting for another visit/photo op, though. That candle has been burned.

How does it feel to be a used condom, BTW?



Posted by: Joe Mama at November 07, 2012 03:06 PM (JJ+PT)



Does that mean that Bruce Shitstain won't show either? Krispy is going to have something to really cry about

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (1Jaio)

366 "I'm well aware. Nothing you or I can do about that. This nation voted for suicide. Twice - just to make certain."

We need to keep fighting. This loss was about incumbency and turnout, and the fact that most of America doesn't see Barry the way we do.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (iO3BG)

367 Too many Americans have grown cynical and resentful of their own nation. Rush was saying today that we need to communicate what "Productivity" means and why it's a good thing. Too many people are negative and hate "productivity". American productivity is something that your old racist parents aspired to, and led to an "American Empire", environmental degradation, climate change, and general H8. Half the nation wants to suicide themselves (and us) into a 3rd world state for the sake of "fairness".

The desire for coasting through life on meager allowances of free shit distributed by intellectual betters (as judged by hip media personalities) according to race, gender, and sexual preference is what rules American life today. And that will not change.

Unless the GOP can one-up the Democrats on playing Santa while appealing to a young hip demographic that hates being told "no", they'll never win another Presidential election.

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (cv5Iw)

368 it is

Posted by: eleven at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (KXm42)

369
HeatherRaddish

the wife and i started making plans to bug out after the last electionwe are truly afraid if we wait much longer our retirement will be stolen from us

Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (AW9md)

370 We sell it as federalism, plain and simple. Power to the states. They
have their worker's paradise and we have our freedom. Everybody wins. We
can sell that.



Slavery. Jim Crow. The Klan. That will be the response to that.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (Gk3SS)

371 Posted by: William Eaton at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (rwioF)

Fortunately I did well this year, my extra earning are going to an M4A1 and plenty of ammo. Pistol and shotgun are later as they are least likely to be banned within the next year.

The rest is for my newborn who is due in a week. I also got "promoted," which translates into I get to do the job of two people now.

What does all of this mean? Less time for me to contribute to the moron horde. But I'll still lurk when I can.

We lost because America has changed, the world I was raised into does not exist. As for my fellow 30 yo's, good luck. The world we were raised into never was, and never will be. The takers outnumber the makers and it's time to get ours and stash it before they crash it.

See ya'll tonight. Finally should have a quiet night at my house.

Posted by: cajun carrot at November 07, 2012 03:14 PM (UZQM8)

372 Imagine if we used that 1 billion dollars to ship a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman book to 50 million households?

And they would do what with this...book, you called it? Use it to prop up the DVR box?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:14 PM (/kI1Q)

373
Idiocracy.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 07, 2012 03:14 PM (j2McS)

374 Imagine if we used that 1 billion dollars to ship a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman book to 50 million households?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (UypUQ)





If you could make their books into a video game or reality show it would work better

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 03:14 PM (1Jaio)

375 Akin's core message was that women have magic rape sperm detectors which
prevent pregnancies from rape. And that if a woman becomes pregnant
after being raped, the rape must have not been a "legitimate" rape.

Let
me repeat that for emphasis. Akin's core message was ...

Yay socons!


Ummm. No. That wasn't Akin's platform or "core message" that was a horribly misinformed opinion combined with a terrible approach to pro-life.

Pro life doesn't sell when you talk about forcing rape victims to carry to term.
the same way pro-choice doesn't sell on babies that are ready to be born or *shudder* have already been born.

Ultimately if we take the road of "freedom and privacy" above all. A whole bunch of interesting arguments arise. Murder doesn't become legal when you do it in the privacy of your home. The same way many abortions should not be legal just because it involves a doctor.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 03:15 PM (0q2P7)

376 The stock market is reacting nicely to the Obama re-election.

/snark

Posted by: muckdog at November 07, 2012 03:15 PM (cP5le)

377 About as useful as pissing into the wind.The people who are willing to understand it already do.Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 07, 2012 03:12 PM (/eBe
....

I dunno about that, I'm about ready to try the brute force approach...

http://tinyurl.com/2zglf

Strap them into a chair and force-view them conservative thinking until they finally "get it."

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:16 PM (UypUQ)

378
Imagine if we used that 1 billion dollars to ship a Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman book to 50 million households?


Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:10 PM (UypUQ)

------
Hey!!!! My coffee table doesnt wobble back and forth now.
THANKS!!!!

Posted by: Low Info Voter at November 07, 2012 03:16 PM (yzX2R)

379 >>>If you could make their books into a video game or reality show it would work better

It's called Eve Online and it's both.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 07, 2012 03:16 PM (0q2P7)

380 Conservatism has been backed into a corner. It's been nothing but an uninspiring movement aimed at holding back further encroachments of liberalism and hasn't seriously aimed at taking ground in a long time. It's become vague and vapid. It's adopted the language, social hypersensitivity, identity politics and political correctness of the left. The Republicans of today are arguably less conservative than the Democrats of the early 1980s. The Republican Party is tepid. It plays for things like the Hispanic vote--which it has no realistic hope of obtaining--while turning off a large chunk of the white middle class who continue to fail to show up for Republicans at elections.

Posted by: tommy at November 07, 2012 03:17 PM (Ufxn1)

381 *** Most people on the Left believe that being a conservative is someone who approves of the KKK and hates women. ***

That's because THEY'VE defined that for themselves as what "conservative" means. I've argued with people like this. I've tried to explain that creatures like that KKK stereotype are really reactionaries. And they're not willing to have their minds changed. At all.

Posted by: perturbed at November 07, 2012 03:17 PM (u6Ueb)

382 334 Mary Matalin is worth reading here: http://preview.tinyurl.com/cgosm34
Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 03:08 PM (1V6Pv)


yes, short and to the point
and, her link was beautiful.

her post was good v evil

Posted by: the day after at November 07, 2012 03:17 PM (LpQbZ)

383 You know what would be a good starting point?

Facing up to the fact that the ACA isn't "Obamacare", it's ROMNEYCARE, seeded by the Heritage think tank and nurtured by a Republican governor, and now grown into something that covers the entire state of Massachusetts ... and they LOVE it!

That was a conservative idea. That was a PRO-BUSINESS idea. And we didn't lift the Brit model of nationalized medicine, or the French model of regulated medicine, or the Canadian model of coupon medical care for all ... WE built that.

Next: the DREAM Act is -- believe it or not -- a CENTER RIGHT idea. We've got to OWN that sucker, or else we never ever win the White House or the Senate.

Next: DOMA is dead and marriage equality is alive. You know who the most effective voice for marriage equality rights is in the entire country? TED FREAKING OLSEN, folks. Yes, THAT Ted Olsen, former SolGen under a Republican president and one of, if not the, most effective lawyer voice in the country before the Supreme Court.

Next: The old litany was that the Republican party was the party of ideas. What happened to that mantra? Well, what happened was that a suppos-ed Kenyan Marxist Socialist SCOAMF took on each of those Republican ideas -- Romneycare, the DREAM Act, marriage equality, and re-branded them all with Hopey Changey sprinkles. So, we have to face up to the fact that the SCOAMF is only a SCOAMF sometimes, not always, and give up on this goofy idea of obstructing for the sake of defeating him ... cuz, you know, last night.

Over the next 4 years, Obama's gonna be replacing between 2 and 5 Supreme Court justices.

As of the first day of the 113th Congress, when Harry Reid leads the Dem caucus into blowing out the current rules and installing a new cloture threshold (55 if we fight, 57 if we negotiate) and abolishing indefinite, rolling and anonymous holds on presidential appointments (I think the anonymous part is going to be shortened dramatically, and the indefinite and rolling parts are gonna be gonna be drastically shortened OR ELSE all holds will be abolished if we choose to fight).

So, we can fight to the last man standing, which'll make it worse, or we can go negotiate for a better result. I say it's time to go PriceLine.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 07, 2012 03:18 PM (21TJo)

384 "153 Yeah, its not over.
But we have to recognize that the culture is hostile to us right now. Short of buying out Comcast or Disney and replacing the newsrooms of ABC or NBC etc. we're not going to win if we keep fighting the same way.

We don't have cultural capital. Our ideas have become foreign to the majority of citizens. That has to change. You can blame the So-Cons, or the Ronulans, but the reality is conservatism isn't cool. Yes its rational. Yes it actually works. But it isn't cool. And in our Pop culture obsessed society, being uncool is the kiss of death. No one relates it to the young. They're indoctrinated by school and pop culture against us to begin with.
Barry went to those who held the levers of our culture and sold himself to the people through them.
As distasteful as it might seem, our future leaders will have to master the levers of the culture in they hope for victory in the future. "

Just had to repost this. This man gets it. This RIGHT HERE is the reason we lose and will lose for many years to come. Everything else is irrelevant in light of this.

Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 07, 2012 03:19 PM (a/3Pu)

385 @355 I'm with you. We need to forestall some wannabe-JFK from sending Federal Troops somewhere to protect Barry and Gary's "right" to try to change skidmarks on the sheets into offspring against the Laws of Nature, and of Nature's God.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 03:19 PM (1V6Pv)

386 We tried to tell the looters on the govt dole that We Are Broke ....and they did not listen ....now they will experience the Devatating results of their stupidity ....and We Must Prepare Horde ....Get Ready ..... I am speeding up our preparations and praying I will be ready in time ....

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 07, 2012 03:19 PM (SIgM0)

387 361
We need to refuse to extend the Bush tax cuts, even if they're willing
to cave on the top bracket. People need to feel the hurt. No pain, no
gain.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 07, 2012 03:12 PM (a0nis

Agreed. It was instant pain and penny pinching in '09 and do not expect things to improve, but why should welfare class be exempt from worries? Only way they could lose the roof over their head and get kicked out of public housing is to commit a felony.

If more lower income and middle income workers have taxes increased from the expiration of Bush tax cuts, more will justifiably resent the welfare class.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 07, 2012 03:20 PM (lGu1O)

388
no matter what, I refuse to believe America is mortally wounded. Yes it is dire, but I believe in liberty, limited government, andrepublicansimas established in the Consitution. Those principles have inertia that cannot be stopped by a stupid JEF and an electorate that wants to be provided for.
In the end, either here or in another manifestation, the world will have a place where individuals are free to succeed without limit and where government is constrained by the consent of the governed.

Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 03:20 PM (Ho3p+)

389 Our message is too damn complicated for "X-Factor" viewers. We sell it as federalism, plain and simple. Power to the states. They have their worker's paradise and we have our freedom. Everybody wins. We can sell that.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 07, 2012 03:11 PM (xXhWA)



But, which state will hold my hand?

Posted by: very low info voter at November 07, 2012 03:20 PM (LpQbZ)

390 DrewM you're not worth responding to and most feel that way about you. Embrace it bitch.

Posted by: polynikes at November 07, 2012 03:20 PM (m2CN7)

391 365
Work for cash and starve the beast.



Posted by: txconservative



Are a ditch digger? We of the high skills set find that corporations like to use checks.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 07, 2012 03:13 PM (QupBk)

No, I'm not a ditch digger. But since we're putting people down, why is it that you work for someone else? Too lazy to start your own business? Too afraid of the risk? Or are you just comfortable being dependent on other people for your survival?

Posted by: txconservative at November 07, 2012 03:20 PM (5UMyr)

392 @ 343 kj at November 07, 2012 03:09 PM (AW9md)

You can reach low information voters with substance if you couple that message with anger directed at the opponent, in this case the progressives.

Most low information voters have nothing really in common with Obama or the White Ivy League folks who run the democratic party. We have just failed to take advantage of those divisions. Some of that is due to the fact that the GOP is partly run by White Ivy League folks and also because we keep trying to prevent class warfare. Instead we should be using it to our own advantage! Class warfare is how this country was born in the first place and our leaders need to stop living in a tower above it all.

Re-brand ourselves "classical liberals", call the progressives fascist and control freaks, and label their leaders as rich academics who only want poor folks votes, but not their happiness. We are going to teach the poor folks how to fish, the progressives are just handing the poor some leftovers in a paper bag like a dog....See positive liberty message mixed with class warfare. We need to learn how to do that.

Posted by: William Eaton at November 07, 2012 03:21 PM (rwioF)

393 Newt wouldn't have done any worse than Romney (at least at the electoral vote level) nor would Santorum or Perry. You're boy spent a billion dollars to win back to heretofore reliably red states and one red congressional district in Nebraska. Hell he might even match McCain's popular vote total by the time it's over.Yes, you sir are a political mastermind!
Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 02:43 PM (UfvyB)

The Democratic strategy was to 'kill Romney', a man with a pristine personal life and a professional life filled with accomplishment. Fill in the blank with the primary candidate of your choice. Newt would've been laughed off the national stage, so would Santorum. Perry would've been competitive, I think, took himself out of the game with his embarrassingly bad debate performances (which are now understandable given the amount of medication Perry was using to combat pain from a recent surgery).

So no, it wasn't our choice of candidate. It was a combination of media bias (worth billions in its own right if translated to political ads), smart messaging aimed at targeted support groups and low intelligence voters (WAR ON WOMEN! GET YOUR FREE SHIT HERE!), and a singular focus on achieving the desired swing state results using whatever means necessary; that is, they cheated like crazy in selected urban areas already within their control, places where even the most blatant fraud would not be discovered or--if it was--investigated.

So if you want to blame Romney for anything, it was his McCain-like unwillingness to get down and dirty with the Chicago Machine. Romney considers himself a gentleman, a decent, God-fearingman who plays by the rules, and if you wanted to pinpoint the moment Mitt lost the election, it was the surprised look on his face during the foreign policy debate when Obama outright lied on national television and the moderator immediately sprang into action to cover for him. I saw it happen and recognized it for what it was. I think Romney was shocked to the core and never really fully recovered from it.

Posted by: troyriser at November 07, 2012 03:21 PM (vtiE6)

394 the wife and i started making plans to bug out after the last electionwe
are truly afraid if we wait much longer our retirement will be stolen
from us


My parents are on what will probably be their last vacation. My dad's a physician and he's quitting, don't know what they're doing after that.

Three of their four kids voted to fuck them (and me) over. Air of unreality.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:22 PM (/kI1Q)

395 If you could make their books into a video game or reality show it would work better


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 07, 2012 03:14 PM (1Jaio)

Well, actually I had an idea for a Reality Show that would do just that. Take two people. One wildly successful and capable person, another down in the dumps. Take everything away from the succesful guy (even the shirt off back), see how long it takes them to make it back to a middle class status (caveat is that they can't use education or experience on resumes). Meanwhile you give one-million-dollars to the guy in the dumps and see what he makes of the opportunity.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 03:22 PM (UypUQ)

396 389
no matter what, I refuse to believe America is mortally wounded.



I would tend to agree. We've been protecting our sovereignty with oceans to the east and west.

But, we are sandwiched between two very socialist countries -- one pouring 3rd world illegals into ours. THAT is a spicket that needs to be turned off, or we really are looking at a very different country, forever. Zero education and very used to centralized government.

Posted by: very low info voter at November 07, 2012 03:23 PM (LpQbZ)

397 eh, what the hell - here's my $.02 (it's either have some venting fun with you guys or face the day. Not ready to do the latter just yet)

I live in blue territory. I have heard several times, as I'm sure a buncha you have too, that the media is actually - i shit you not - biased against OBAMA, and waaaah! never calls Romney out on his lies!!!! This is in addition to the frantic belief that he and Ryan would outlaw abortion and contraception and rape Big Bird and never order a terrorist leader killed and punch homeless kittens just for the lulz

I mean.....Ho -Lee - Fuck balls.

This is what we're up against. Not just a different interpretation of facts and reality, but a different reality altogether. Insulation and stupidity so massive it could blot out the sun. As the saying goes: you can't reason someone out of what they were never reasoned into in the first place. I have to agree with those on here who feel it's not our message or candidate, it's the now-majority of the fucking American people!

If we want the electorate to move from "Free Shit I Deserve from Evil Rich People!" to anything resembling common sense, we have pull a Breitbart: infiltrate the culture/education. Retreating only makes it worse! When nearly every major media, academic, and pop culture outlet 1) sucks your dick instead of challenging you and presenting you with uncomfortable, inconvenient facts (now known as "lies!!!!") and 2) anyone with a different view from yours is presented as just another Strawman McCaricature that's easily swatted down, is it any wonder you'll vote a certain way? or hiss like a frightened cat at any dissent?

I really feel that Romney was the best we had, whatever his flaws. The real, and biggest problem is that way too many people see conservatives as either stuffy old rich white guys in suits who hate uppity gays, women and minorities, or backwoods rednecks that hate them uppity gays, women and minorities. Way too many people are slavishly loyal to the democratic party and prog mindset (you could call it "cultlike"). Way too many people are *never challenged* in their beliefs, and then at some point those beliefs become nearly unbreakable. We could have the bestest message and candidate evah, we could get an endorsement from God himself, but if a majority is predisposed to covering their ears instead of listening because "REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL AND THEY LIE AND THEY'RE SUPER UNCOOL" has been drilled into them since birth, how much good will it do?

Then there's the whole issue of voters sympathetic to us staying home for whatever reasons, but that's a much more complicated topic, in my view, and now I'm exhausted and ready for a nap.

I must also concede that I've never felt as sympathetic to the "fuck it, let it burn and swallow them all" mindset until now.



Posted by: ninjaphish at November 07, 2012 03:23 PM (VTXt1)

398
I posit that Rick Perry, if he hadn't shit himself during the debates,
would have done a better job in the election. But, you know, soiling
your pants on live TV is kind of a disqualifier for national office.
--
I love Perry but no way another Texan gets elected so soon after Booooooosh. And that's coming from a born and bred Texan who'd love nothing more than for every president to be from this great state.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 03:24 PM (F3s39)

399 Ah, the inevitable eviscerating of the supporters of the other candidates.

Hey, why not, we had SoCons and FiCons rip into each other earlier. Might as well get the blood letting out.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 03:24 PM (JxIkO)

400 I'm still scratching my head as to how Obama took a popularity revolt to the chin, the Republicans fielded the most business, economics and math savvy candidates ever, yet 14 million few voters turned out and he stillsurvived to win. I'm left only to think thatAmericans are so entitlement oriented and self-centered that they make the French look like Jesus and it willtake acatastrophe greater thanPearl Harbor, 9/11,the DotCom/Housing/Wall Streetimplosion,and HurricaneKatrina combined to awakenits citizenry from their slumber. I fear now that the economic doomsday prophets are right and things are going to start going bad, bad, bad real quick.

Posted by: Manolo at November 07, 2012 03:24 PM (JS6HU)

401 Posted by: polynikes at November 07, 2012 03:20 PM (m2CN7)

Let me put this as politely as I can....fuck you asshole.

You've spent the last 2 years being WRONG about Romney. Own that shit.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 07, 2012 03:24 PM (UfvyB)

402 Maybe we should think about improving our voter fraud operation.

It's as good an idea as anything I've seen here.

Posted by: Macaroon at November 07, 2012 03:24 PM (bw8pg)

403 Well here isthe way I see it:

RNC Message: (Lots of math, figures and big thinking)

DNC Message: Everyone get cash.

Not sure how you beat that.

Posted by: Jamest at November 07, 2012 03:25 PM (u2PES)

404 280 I have to disagree. I live in Denver and I remember what it was like before the "medical marijuana" legislation a few years ago. The black market dried up in relatively short order.

Posted by: Derpina at November 07, 2012 03:25 PM (yFJUJ)

405 I wouldn't want to be the left today. A lot of pressure will soon be on them to figure out a way to suspend the laws of mathematics.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 07, 2012 03:25 PM (zpqa2)

406 I want to point out a necessary distinction concerning the lumping of Social Cons into one group. Social Cons draw from Christian beliefs which are wide and varied. I would surmise most Social Cons are about like me in how we approach politics. I think you cannot have a democracy unless you have a moral populace.

As with the Christian message we should advocate for a moral society without intimating that we will legislate that morality. People like Akin IMO come from some cultist sect of Christianity that 95% of Christians would repudiate. The stupid claim that there is some protection from pregnancy in a rape is about as stupid-headed as you can get.

But to then pretend this is the preferred candidate of Social Cons, or Tea Par-tiers is an untruth at the least. About the same if I claimed that if some Fiscal Con backed pedophilia, then all Fiscal Cons are pedophiles.

If we missed something in this election cycle is that we are not playing to our strengths in pointing out that limited government has worked where ever it is tried. No pointing out by our candidates of what is happening in Canada or one of the Baltic states (forget which one) that are experiencing wild success by returning to limited government.

We seem to have historically ignorant candidates. And our candidates almost always submit to the premises of the MSM...why? The only one that got that was Newt, the media IS the enemy of freedom, of all Americans.

Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 03:25 PM (cSD32)

407 "As distasteful as it might seem, our future leaders will have to master
the levers of the culture in they hope for victory in the future."


YES. YES. YES.

Influencing/controlling the popular culture is the key. THE. KEY.


Instead of death by 1,000 cuts. It's influence your politics by 1,000 punchlines on comedy central/ popular sitcom / hip hop rap crap.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 07, 2012 03:25 PM (j2McS)

408 The GOP primary process as it currently stands is designed to produce too moderate a candidate. Moderation on big issues is hardly inspiring.

Romney fell millions short of McCain's inept vote haul. Terrible. People are staying home because they don't see a difference.

Either change the primary process or start a new party.

Posted by: Palmcroft at November 07, 2012 03:26 PM (P9kUH)

409 the country just re-elected a guy who ran guns to a violent drug cartel and lied his ass off about Americans being killed and didn't care about it.i just don't see how retooling a message is going to change that fact

Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 03:26 PM (AW9md)

410 So we go after someone who accurately points out the the moderate and electable candidate got his ass handed to him the last two elections? That will save the party. Karl Rove-WRONG; The bald headed douche who managed McCain-WRONG. All establishment talking heads-WRONG. Romney Campaign-WRONG and LIARS. Chris Christie-The great R hope? Is that what is going to be sold to us now?

Posted by: ejo at November 07, 2012 03:27 PM (GXvSO)

411 404

I don't think it can be done. As someone said last night (maybe even on the main page), look at Greece. Country is slipping into the abyss and there elections are still about who will give you the most free shit.

Fuck the left. The ironic thing is at least 95% of the people who voted for Obama are going to get the shaft. They'll never accept that he caused the problems, of course, but I'll feel a little better about it none the less.

Posted by: Derpina at November 07, 2012 03:27 PM (yFJUJ)

412 The plan was wrong and the candidate was wrong. The Romneybots fucked up. We fucked up and let them beat us down. Too fucking bad

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 07, 2012 03:27 PM (6H6FZ)

413 406

Can you say, "Price controls?"

Posted by: Derpina at November 07, 2012 03:28 PM (yFJUJ)

414 The vast majority of those who voted for scoamf are no better than the ignorant mobs of Ancient Rome who only cared about getting their bread and circuses ....
My friends remember where you were on the 6th of November when you saw the republic die to thunderous applause of the mob .

Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 07, 2012 03:29 PM (SIgM0)

415 There's no easy fix for this. They HATE us. They really believe that conservatives hate women, hate minorities, don't care if old people have to eat dog food, hate poor people, want dirty air and dirty water, are war mongers, etc... How do we combat that? In their minds, the Jihadists aren't an enemy, but WE are.

Posted by: Scarlet at November 07, 2012 03:29 PM (9AU2U)

416 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2012 02:58 PM (GzATR)

Uh, some people are saying that Drew can't prove that the others would've done better than Romney.

Well, you can't prove the converse either.

Posted by: KG at November 07, 2012 03:30 PM (p7BzH)

417 By the way, 401k's are the largest untapped sources of wealth that we have going right now. Think they aren't going after them to pay off their voters? Who will stop them?

Posted by: ejo at November 07, 2012 03:31 PM (GXvSO)

418 From now on I'm only looking out for friends and family. I've stopped all charitable contributions. The Obama scavengers who likely received them can go to Barry's big government teat- they are not getting another freely given dime from me. Instead of a United States of America they wanted the What's in It For Me States of America that Obama dangles before their eyes. So let them have it. I'll not lend a hand to any of them no matter the circumstances.

Posted by: Timwi at November 07, 2012 03:32 PM (pdhxN)

419 Appealing to independents has been proven to be BS. Obama lost Independent voters according to exit polls, but still won by turning out his base and going hardcore left.

Posted by: Dan at November 07, 2012 03:32 PM (/7gN/)

420 So we are now supposed to embrace illegals and give them perks, like in state tuition that our own kids don't get? Open the borders and further degrade our society, so we can get people into office? This is a circular firing squad - slow motion suicide. I go back to the old saying, "you've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything". I am conservative for a reason. If I had liberal beliefs, then I'd be a liberal.

Posted by: Havedash at November 07, 2012 03:32 PM (F0WNa)

421 "the country just re-elected a guy who ran guns to a violent drug cartel and lied his ass off about Americans being killed and didn't care about it.i just don't see how retooling a message is going to change that fact" Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 03:26 PM (AW9md)

That is because a lot Americans have been kept mostly in the dark about those things if they don't watch FOX News or read conservative blogs or listen to conservative radio. Also we have a political party that does not attack Democrats the same way they attack us. For example how many Romney or Republican ads do you remember linking Obama to Libya or Obama to the gun running to Mexican drug lords? None. Heck Romney never brought up either very well in the debates.

The MSM and entertainment industry are not covering it, because they are part of the progressive movement. We have to change that and we can.

Posted by: William Eaton at November 07, 2012 03:33 PM (rwioF)

422 " (Chinese leaders) know that, actually, when the chips are down we can push Obama
around. He will back down in front of us…They don’t think he’s a
powerful, strong president.” http://tinyurl.com/bes8qmw

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 03:33 PM (opS9C)

423 Chris Christie-The great R hope? Is that what is going to be sold to us now?
Posted by: ejo at November 07, 2012 03:27 PM (GXvSO)

Christie should be anathema to all Republicans everywhere. That fat bastard is going nowhere on a national level. I intend to donate to any opponent of his from now until the day his traitorous, overworked heart finallyexplodes.

Posted by: troyriser at November 07, 2012 03:33 PM (vtiE6)

424 @398

"I must also concede that I've never felt as sympathetic to the "fuck it, let it burn and swallow them all" mindset until now."

Welcome to the Party! I'm done with Republicans, I can't even have an intelligent conversation with anyone anymore....I have absolutely no faith in this country. The dream is dead. I'm gonna ride her till she Bucks me...and laugh in her face when she gets knocked down. If any of you don't like it....Kiss My Ass!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:34 PM (uvNSk)

425 Maybe we need to get in front of the movement to legalize marijuana.That's a little edgy for conservative people but we need a game changer. Our adult children smoke it; hell so do many of our seniors.

Posted by: ernie at November 07, 2012 03:34 PM (t3xVA)

426 "We seem to lack true believers among much of our professional political class on our side."

...like the owner of this blog.

Ace just loves conservatism, except when it's all conservative and shit.

Posted by: Shoey at November 07, 2012 03:35 PM (jdOk/)

427
@422
Thats a load of BS in this day and age if you are in the dark its because you want to be or you just don't care enough to inform youself about whats going on in the world

Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 03:36 PM (AW9md)

428 Rove will be selling Christie. Expect others to do so as well.

Posted by: ejo at November 07, 2012 03:37 PM (GXvSO)

429
as long as people on the public dole are allowed to vote we will never change a thing

Posted by: kj at November 07, 2012 03:38 PM (AW9md)

430 @422

No you can't change it. Your outnumbered and the economic power to sway corporations does not exist anymore.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:39 PM (uvNSk)

431 Didn't I hear about the death of MSM?

Posted by: wtf at November 07, 2012 03:40 PM (/A1Rb)

432 I gotta say DrewM, you are a nice guy, very polite, and I'm glad I had the chance to meet you in person several years ago.
That said, it is most unbecoming of you to single out commenters here such as JackStraw, Polynikes and JeffB and taunt them merely because it is a way for you to place blame on someone. Very unbecoming, and while I always disagreed with you about Romney (you can count me in with the Polynikes et all) I kept my mouth shut. As a co-blogger here you should set yourself to a higher standard.

Posted by: Sassy at November 07, 2012 03:41 PM (detCI)

433 Republicans need an outreach to educate women about how this country runs, minus the "we hate the MSM" vitriol. (Too many women watch that GMA crapola.) My personal experience talking with women plus Pew's survey results have shown women are the least informed voters. Personally, I believe women are fouling up this country due simply to their ignorance and blind acceptance of what the media reports. I know, I know, there are exceptions, but there are enough dingbats out there, trust me.

Posted by: CJL at November 07, 2012 03:41 PM (3wa9V)

434 DrewM our own little "Juan Williams" at least he's giddy today.

Posted by: grease monkey at November 07, 2012 03:42 PM (VSWPU)

435 Its like Obama voters disconnect their voting for Obama with the results they get.

Every loss, Ace tries to get rid of the So-Con squares like all his cool libtard friends tell him too. He misses the point that most So-Cons are Fi-Cons too.

Posted by: Iblis at November 07, 2012 03:42 PM (9221z)

436 @434

Single Women are looking for "Daddy," the first to say "Come to Daddy" got their vote.

Some of the dumbest people on the planet are American women. The election just proved it.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:44 PM (uvNSk)

437 I am all for letting people live as they want to- IF they will all pay their own bills. But it never seems to work that way. Chronic pot users have all kinds of problems that eat up government services. Kids raised in dysfunctional one parent families also eat up government services and usually aren't as productive as adults as those raised in traditional families, compounding the problem in future generations. Will those gays and the childless heterosexuals that have become the new base of the urban Democrats save enough money to pay their own way in old age or will they demand disproportionate amounts of government service compared to people with intact extended families? And as for abortion, Social Security would be a lot more solvent if there were 54 million more young people to be paying into the system.

The new civil rights issue needs to be why those who live by the time honored bourgeoisie virtues of hard work, thrift, sobriety, punctuality, neighborliness, continence and cleanliness are going to be permanently saddled with the bills for lazy, rude, irresponsible, spendthrift, nihilistic yahoos who never look much beyond next week.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at November 07, 2012 03:47 PM (D9oHL)

438 437: "Single women ..."

I know a 40 year old woman who changes her hair color - blonde, brunette, redhead, back to blonde - every few months. She keeps pink feather pens on her desk and girly things. I think I know why she's single. Yes, she voted for Obama, twice.

Another acquaintance who was styling herself after Niki Minaj (sp?), platforms, fake lashes and extensions, minus the bod or the money, and wore drop-back shirts displaying her shoulder to shoulder tattoo "Forgiven Angel." Worked in government as a Public Affairs Officer. Yup, voted Obama.

Posted by: CJL at November 07, 2012 03:49 PM (3wa9V)

439 the country just re-elected a guy who ran guns to a violent drug cartel
and lied his ass off about Americans being killed and didn't care about
it.i just don't see how retooling a message is going to change that fact


NEWSLETTER

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 03:51 PM (S/ps/)

440 Rioting and a strike in Greece today against austerity measures. Coming soon to an American city near you.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 07, 2012 03:52 PM (sX1gH)

441 Rioting and a strike in Greece today against austerity measures. Coming soon to an American city near you.
Posted by: Zoltan at November 07, 2012 03:52 PM (sX1gH)

Who would American rioters riot against, exactly? The same guy they voted for? How can they blame The Man when they are The Man?

Posted by: troyriser at November 07, 2012 03:55 PM (vtiE6)

442
"Maybe we need to get in front of the movement to legalize marijuana.That's a little edgy for conservative people but we need a game changer. Our adult children smoke it; hell so do many of our seniors."
I agree 1000% personally (to eleventy), and it can be framed as a 10th amendment let the states do what they want issue, butI'm not convinced politically it is a winner.
I argue that theGOP could be the party of gay marriage, abortion,mj, and westill would be out of power because we arent about giving away free shit.
Yes the social issues are used as a wedge to drive some voters away, but if you cave on thoseissues you will lose part of yourbase. What would be the net result?
I fear the bottom line takeawayis that the electorate wants a bigger government to providethem stuff. Not sure how tosquare that with conservative principles.

Posted by: California Red at November 07, 2012 03:57 PM (Ho3p+)

443 The plan was wrong and the candidate was wrong. The
Romneybots fucked up. We fucked up and let them beat us down. Too
fucking bad


Posted by: SurferDoc at November 07, 2012 03:27 PM (6H6FZ)
--What plan and what candidate would have won? No snark, sincere question.

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 03:58 PM (F3s39)

444 @444

No Republican could of won. No Republican will win in 2016.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 04:02 PM (uvNSk)

445 "Rove will be selling Christie."

Haha, no. Rove is the Bush family consigliere. He will be selling Jeb.

Mark my words, it will be Jeb vs Palin in three years for the nomination. You'll hate it but it will happen.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 04:07 PM (oDtYC)

446 "Who would American rioters riot against, exactly? The same guy they voted for? How can they blame The Man when they are The Man?"

Dude... rioters elsewhere don't have an answer for this either. They just do it.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 04:10 PM (oDtYC)

447 So we are now supposed to embrace illegals and give them perks, like in state tuition that our own kids don't get? Open the borders and further degrade our society, so we can get people into office? This is a circular firing squad - slow motion suicide. I go back to the old saying, "you've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything". I am conservative for a reason. If I had liberal beliefs, then I'd be a liberal. Posted by: Havedash at November 07, 2012 03:32 PM (F0WNa)

No of course not, but we are going to have to start thinking out side the box unless you want to go down to defeat. One our society is already being invaded by illegals because we don't protect the borders and we are being invaded by LEGAL immigrants who actually hate this country (Muslims). Those immigrants in Dearborn, Michigan got there by legal means via people like GWB.

SO we must change the game. Immigration does need to be reformed. The illegals are not going to be shipped back home, you know that as well as I. It is not politically possible at this point. However what is politically possible is a strong protected border, new laws (and methods that detect) that punish employers who hire illegals, English the national language in America and its government, and a moratorium on Muslim immigration to America. All those would sell well in America right now politically.

Also we set up a pathway to citizenship for Latin/Mexican illegals who want to stay in America. The Pathway would include becoming reasonably proficient in English (for their own good of course), and no government benefits or full citizenship until they have been working (at a job in the private sector) for at least 10 years in America. In the interim they would be given a workers permit, allowing them to work in America.

This is all contingent on using our state national guards in the border states to guard the border until such time a more effective barrier can be constructed. A processing center on the border could at some point be developed to give Mexicans/Latin Americans who want to come to America a similar pathway to America, but this of course would involve processing, giving their names, etc., etc.

We have to find some way to make easier to control immigration in this country, both legal and illegal. But we need a plan and a reasonable one. The idea we are going to take buses and round up the illegals is idiotic, and not possible. People who take this view are basically saying they have no plan and are allowing the progressives to monopolize the issue and only insures they will set immigration policy up their way in America: unrestricted immigration, no language requirements, and total progressive indoctrination of the "new" Americans.

Actually this is one place social conservatives could play a really helpful role. Evangelicals and Catholics (the conservative types) for example could set up schools to help these folks learn English in order to gain full citizenship, and of course come away as good conservatives (and perhaps as new converts) as well. They will need to work for ten years to gain citizenship and any benefits, so they are going to want a good job situation and economy which only we can provide...



Posted by: William Eaton at November 07, 2012 04:11 PM (rwioF)

448 Chase the growing Latino vote? Rubio won in Florida. Cruz won in Texas.Romney won Arizona and Texas.As I've mentioned before, chasing the growing Latino vote gets us New Mexico at best.Likely not a game changer. The best bet lies in convincing union members in the rust belt, that it's better for them when people can afford to buy the cars and other stuff they make. It's also better when they don't kill the host, like they effectively did with Chrysler and GM although Obama pumpedenough blood back into those corpses to get him through the election. Anyone remember the Reagan Revolution and Reagan Democrats? Reagan won almost all those states. How did he do it?

Posted by: OCBill at November 07, 2012 04:11 PM (YJvVE)

449 "Reagan won 48 states his first election and 49 states his second election. That includes california-NY etc.."

Then he signed the amnesty that gave us this shit.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 04:13 PM (oDtYC)

450 Rather than engage in fruitless endeavors like chasing the Hispanic vote while diluting conservatism to nothing merely so that its a milquetoast R instead of a D at the helm, conservatives in this country could start thinking long-term and beyond immediate political stratagems:

1. Have more children.

2. Educate your children as conservatives. That is, don't enroll them in public schools and acquaint them with conservative thinkers rather than leaving them to the mercy of a crass mass culture. Throw out the television while you're at it.

Steve Sailer is right: demography is destiny. That's a lesson that conservatives should be taking to heart in the wake of this disappointing election result. At the end of the day, if you want to have the Republic back, then you need to have a population that actually demands a Republic.

Posted by: tommy at November 07, 2012 04:23 PM (Ufxn1)

451 Stop beating up Romney
I'm very proud to have voted for him and Paul Ryan. Decent freedom-loving Americans.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 07, 2012 04:24 PM (6/bOE)

452 They conveniently forget that Saint John Lennon of
Imagine There's No Heaven expatriated England and settled in NYC to
avoid a 90% tax hit.Posted by: kallisto at November 07, 2012 03:06 PM (jm/9g)
They also forget that Paul McCartney bought a private island to do the same thing. That lets him pal around with the obamas without any of his real money in the game. Same for JayZ, Beyonce, Bob Dylan, Oprah, Buffett, and Morgan Freeman and all the rest--their money is safe.
We need to go full tribal on them. They pussyfoot around Islam because Islam kills people. The Muslims are patriarchal, deny their women everything from birth control to driver's licenses, kill their daughters on a whim, and yet the Liberals love them.Mean Conservatives on the other hand must pay--every day and every way.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 04:33 PM (kXoT0)

453 Medical marijuana is not something the cartels fear and they are probably already deep in that supply chain. They fear open decriminalization of recreational mj and will stop it...because that is where the money is. That and moving people onto other drugs.

BTW, one of the smartest guys I work with lost his two college age kids to medical mj there in Colorado. He is a total ass, but, I do feel sorry for him having to watch his two bright, good looking kids become stoner losers, who only want to ski, hike, and smoke. Both have flunked out of school and are living off the charity of their mother and grandmother for food and rent.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 04:44 PM (kXoT0)

454 What we need is another 1776 followed by another expulsion of the Tories. It's coming.

Posted by: SDN at November 07, 2012 04:50 PM (uGiHE)

455 Here's what I posted elsewhere. The truth hurts:



The GOP is the party of Losers. This is accurate and true.
There is a term for people who consistently, and by their own doing,
lose. That term is “Loser.”

Mitt Romney – a man with, perhaps, 1/4 the charisma of Ronald Reagan –
tried to use the Reagan “shining city on the hill” approach. Not the
sharpest tool in the shed, Romney forgot that Reagan also was a master
at having his minions bury Carter in mud – as Carter deserved.

We have never seen an opponent more vulnerable to negative
campaigning. They used a “war on woman” approach, to incredible effect.
“You’ll be back in the fields!” they lied – but it worked.

Romney?

War on religion? No, we can’t say that – that’s mean. True, but mean.

War on our soldiers?

Apology tour? Said it once, but let’s not get too dirty. That’s oooky.

Upcoming fiscal cliff? Obamacare? Revenge? Let’s take a “I’d rather
vote for Love of Country” approach, instead of calling Barack a jerk –
which is what he is.

Goody Two Shoes got his ass kicked, just like Goody Two Shoes always do.

Karl Rove… what a loser. Hey, Karl, did it ever occur to you that
the women and minorities in the GOP are largely viewed as tokens? It
doesn’t matter that they’re not – the truth has nothing to do with this.
What did the GOP do, 3 years ago, to build a base in the female,
latino, and black communities? How much longer do you think “Angry
White Men” can carry the water?

Many – perhaps most – Latinos are conservative. Where was the
concerted effort, going back 3 years, showing where this was being
cultivated?

“I had folders brought to my office.” Well… if THAT doesn’t make
women feel as if they are foundational to the party, I don’t know what
does. I know: let’s toss Condi Rice out there, again, to show that we
love women. Yeah, all seven women actually WATCHING the convention were
deeply, deeply moved.

Karl Rove, our genius chessmaster yoda, had a problem with the Tea
Party. Our opponents took a vile counter to it – the occupy movement –
and turned it into gold. Heaven forbid the GOP actually LEVERAGED the
Tea Party – used it to cultivate Latino, Women, and Black votes.

Blacks are well known as having issues with gay marriage. So are
Christians. And black Christians? Bonus. I like how the GOP worked
that angle. We will *mention* black unemployment, but let’s not spin up
some serious ads that highlight it. Let’s not get people screaming
“racist,” because that makes us uncomfortable… even if it is, in fact
true – about them, not us.

Well done, Karl. Nice Job, Mitt.

And Benghazi? Ignoring that after the first debate was Genius.
Sheer Wile-E-Coyote Genius. Sort of like how Reagan gave Carter a pass
on the hostages. We wouldn’t want to be offensive now, would we? When
Mr. President said “I take offense at that,” heaven forbid you go for
the throat and say something like “how do you think the families of the
men you let die feel, Sir?”

That would be *negative,* and NEGATIVE IS BAD.

It works, but… please, let’s not even discuss it. It’s too filthy to discuss.

Pinkies up when you hold that tea cup. Keep that shirt unwrinkled and your hair combed.

Let’s pretend that the internet doesn’t exist, that the attention
deficit generation is a fantasy. Let’s not hunt for votes there – it’s
not civil. We’ll just post nice, “city on the hill” web pages and
YouTube videos.

Barack Obama is a lying snake. His campaign was 100% lies and mud and personal attacks.

He’s also a Winner.

Mitt Romney and Karl Rove, OTOH, are Losers. Capital L Losers.

“This isn’t a defeat of Conservatism,” Mark Levin will be saying in about 90 minutes. Bullsh*t. Of course it is.

We got the message out. What we didn’t do is remind the world that
the man who is now getting 4 more years is a lying snake. A SCOAMF if
ever there was one.

Good thing we didn’t remind them of that. Now we get 4 more years of it.

Posted by: RobM1981 at November 07, 2012 05:03 PM (2ZGS7)

456 Bill O'reilly, of all people, was the most prescient yesterday. His comment, well before the polls started rolling in, was that America is a changed nation. He turned out to be correct. We _are_ a changed nation. We are now bent toward dependance. As Romney said, correctly, he was 47% down from the first.

Posted by: JRS at November 07, 2012 05:11 PM (xLs90)

457 Always be closing. The problem is both the message and the manner in which it is communicated. The message and all of its policies must constantly be connected back to FIRST PRINCIPLES. Failing to do that leaves you open.

For the free shit crowd, the vast majority of people who get free shit don't even know what free shit they get. Many of the people who don't pay income tax work hard for their money and many don't get free stuff. They may not pay for others free stuff, and they probably do not want to. They also don't draw the distinction between paying no income tax and paying social security and medicare. Thus, they believe they are paying for stuff, and would generally oppose the free shit crowd. These are the generally white working class households that did vote for Romney in pretty good numbers. Romney's 47% comment hurt badly here, but hurt more with working class Latinos.

I love Paul Ryan. the problem is he is too wonkish. He needs to connect it back on a fundamental way to WHY liberty is important and WHY it is important for you to rely on yourself. He can get lost in the budget numbers. The numbers are too big and too abstract for 99% of the country (and I do mean that percentage literally). Romney could have closed, but always seemed one step away from that. I think he did not want to appear condescending, but on some elemental level you need to constantly come back to FIRST PRINCIPLES. Brought out articulately and frequently, they will start to sink in. These were minor problems, but they are the same for McCain as well. Palin believes in the first principles, as do Ryan, Romney and McCain. She was a a better messenger for them because she only spoke in first principles. Thus, the media killed her credibility.

The other issue is somehow we decided that we needed ideological purity on every issue despite reality. As one of the earlier threads on the Senate races and abortion noted. Even if we get a clear majority in the future to repeal Roe v. Wade, there will NEVER be a majority that would outlaw abortion in the cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. PERIOD. I understand the logic that in cases of rape or incest, there is a philosophical reason to distinguish between those and life of the mother. However, that distinction is too fine for a pluralistic democracy. Mourdock proved that.

What killed us was the ideological purity on immigration as well, probably much more so. Obama's economy may successfully stop most illegal immigration, but it will NEVER stop ALL of it, and a rebounding economy, even a weak one, will drive it back up again. First, we need to vastly increase the amount of legal immigration. That is simple fairness. People see the illegal gardener or neighbor or relative, they don't see the poor schmuck sitting in Guatemala or Mexico or Ireland who played by the rules and still sitting in their country rather than waiting tables or working here. If explained, they will intrinsically understand that. Second, people will not stand for watching 15MM or 20MM people, or whatever the right number is, deported involuntarily to satisfy some crusade. It will not seem fair to them, even if they understand that it is wrong that they are here. Amnesty WILL happen, it just needs to be on terms that balances the unfairness to the person who stayed behind and that does not overly reward the law breaker. This is especially true for the children who were either born here or were brought here at a young age and only know this country. Personally, I would double the new number of visas, force every illegal to register. If they do so, they will be in a lottery and we work through the backlog over time. If you don't commit another crime while you wait, you get a green card.

Part of the problem is also the campaign itself. As someone pointed out, Santorum would in theory be next in line. That won't happen. I have met Santorum, he is very personable. He will NEVER be President. If he won the nomination, he would lose to someone as bad as Biden in a McGovern or Mondale fashion. He might not even carry a state. However, that is not the point of this. The more moderate candidates have to pass muster ideologically by our media. Talk radio. Bloggers. Many of whom have the luxury of being able to throw stones and not worrying about winning elections. They want purity; they DEMAND purity. PURITY LOSES ELECTIONS FOR CONSERVATIVES. Neither McCain nor Romney were pure conservatives or to use Romney's phrase 'severe conservatives' (an truly egregious and self-defeating choice of adjective). Thus, they found themselves without an ideological rudder. They needed to court the base, but in doing so were not true to themselves. As has been pointed out, including by Santorum, Reagan could not pass through the purity gauntlet set out by talk radio and the blogosphere. He compromised and took what he could get always. However, he was always guided by FIRST PRINCIPLES.

We need to get back to those. Articulate them well. Articulate them constantly. Tie them back to the people constantly. Make them understand why those principles matter to them. Give the same speech 500 times. Big deal. The idea that conservatives want to make you freer and richer are things that WILL SELL. People have to be made to understand that wealth creation through redistribution does not make the SOCIETY or the WORLD richer and doing that makes everyone less FREE. If you work for what you have, it is yours. If it is given to you, it can be taken away. Remember that the number of people who are dependent and know it is quite small, Simple stuff really.

For 2016, I want someone who understands these principles and who can communicate them effectively and happily to everyone. I don't care if they have compromised somewhere in their life in the execution of these principles. The most effective advocate for them should win the nomination and the election.

Choosing Rubio, Martinez, Rice, Ayotte or Haley (not meaning to leave someone out) simply to superficially appeal to a relatively small, but growing, demographic would be an obvious ploy and would be shot full of holes. One or more of them may meet the substantive test, and if they do, great; if not, the MESSAGE pounded over and over again, not the MESSENGER will matter more.

Posted by: Vairish84 at November 07, 2012 05:21 PM (lG2dn)

458 We communicate our message just fine. They know what we stand for, more or less.

The problem is that the other side's message, based in greed and free stuff, is simply more appealing to a depraved electorate.

Conservatism cannot win against that.

Posted by: Inspiring thought for the morning at November 07, 2012 05:25 PM (mV5Rx)

459 458 - I disagree. There was never a candidate more vulnerable to negative campaigning than Barack Obama. Fort Hood, Benghazi, Attack On Religion, Solyndra, Attack on Marriage, "Sit in the back of the bus," etc.

This man is and was loathsome.

Mitt Romney and Karl Rove just don't get it. Obama should have been savaged.

Negative campaigning works. Bush 1 had his Willy Horton. Bush 2 had his Swiftboats.

Obama is scum. Mitt Romney didn't want to remind the American people of that, so now we get four more years of it.

Goody Two Shoes got his ass kicked - just like he always does.

Fight to win, or stay home. Duchess of Queensbury rules is for imbeciles

Posted by: RobM1981 at November 07, 2012 05:41 PM (2ZGS7)

460 Or is it Marquis of Queensbury??? LOL

Posted by: RobM1981 at November 07, 2012 05:41 PM (2ZGS7)

461 It's time to reposition the media by labeling them. NYT Democrat, CBS Democrat, Candy Crowley Democrat.... Take away the Democrats support network and they will be much weakened.

Posted by: Kid Blue at November 07, 2012 06:14 PM (afDwo)

462 The Dakotas vote for Republican presidents and governors, then send the liberals to bring home the federal money.

Posted by: Yokel at November 07, 2012 06:29 PM (HuKbP)

463 America just stepped off of the world stage--and fell face first into the orchestra pit.
No, we're not France--yet--but weARE Great Britain.Where once we had an empire of sorts--we were exceptional--now we're just has-beens, a bunch of rusty customers. Think I'm exaggerating? Ask me again when the debt tops twenty trillion (in three years--assuming we haven't first crashed into a full depression.
We know how to build nuclear power plants, we're sitting on top of caverns of hard black coal, we let moose drool trump our oil drilling intersts in Alaska, and we elect as president a lispingthin-skinned fop whose idea of power is the windblowing acrosspond scum.
When we're all working thirty hours a week at Red Lobster and getting ourmedical care administeredat the DMV (no, you can't have a new hip--but you can have a gender-preference abortion), half the country will remain so stupid as to be satisfied. Benghazi? What's that? Seven-point-nine percent unemployment? The new norm! Five trillion in new debt? So what?
Your problem is not you; it's some rich guy--that's it, some fat cat is fucking you over! Free shit! Get your free shit!
This nation once held a free electionin the middle of a civil war.
Today, morons cite Hurricane Sandy as the TOP reason they voted for the president's re-election. In other words, the last thing they saw on TVdrove their whole decision-making process. Elections now are just like American Idol.
We will not recover from this. The republic isfinished.

Posted by: -Shawn- at November 07, 2012 09:03 PM (AMW/f)

464 You're right about the Senate and it's time to undersatnd that doctrinaire conservatives can only win statewide races in a few States, unless they are really exceptional candidates a la Rubio. But even ina smallish State, a statewide race is much tougher and draws a different kind of scrutiny than a Congressional race, or a race for State/Local office.
Akin and Mourdock--what can you sat about someone too stupid to just STFU and stick to a well-thought-out script when asked such obvious questions? Akin was just an idiot, Mourdock less so, but he phrased it poorly and why the hell was he extemporizing over a question he had to know would come? Not ready for prime time.
Look at the Tea Party darlings who knocked out sure winners in 2010 and 2012 and the GOP should have at least 50 senators. We've had a lot oftalk about getting the most conservative person who has a chance, and well, all that gets is Majority Leader Reid. How about the person with the best chance of winning and then voting for Majority Leader McConnell, and then we can be irritated with the Collinses and Snowes but the GOP will control the agenda, at least.

Posted by: Marty at November 08, 2012 03:48 AM (QS0lR)

465 Someone said, “Stop organized crime. Re-elect no one!”

Mark Twain said, “Politicians and diapers should be changed often, and for the same reason.”

Perhaps if we followed these sentiments, we wouldn’t be in our current circumstances. Unfortunately however, most voters are just like old dingleberries on a stray dog's butt. They just keep on following the asshole no matter what direction it takes.

Posted by: YOOPER at November 09, 2012 10:13 AM (yEBP4)






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