Romney Concedes

On TV, now.

It's just hitting me. It's really over. It's not a nightmare. This happened.

Posted by: Ace at 12:55 AM



Comments

1 Thanks, Krauthammer, for talking me off the ledge. It's not the end of the world. Almost, but not quite.

Posted by: Cornfed at November 07, 2012 12:56 AM (CyqAO)

2 Yeah, but it's not a "concession concession"

Posted by: Whoopie Goldberg at November 07, 2012 12:56 AM (RstsB)

3 Sigh...

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 12:56 AM (8Mgrk)

4 Crap

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 12:57 AM (jKE+Z)

5 Fuck me with a rabid squirrel.

Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 12:57 AM (wUFaM)

6 Damn, he should have challenged the close states and exposed the fraudulent scheme for what it was. Fuck being a gentleman, I want the Marxist-in-Chief GONE, not ushered into another 4 years!


Posted by: exdem13 at November 07, 2012 12:57 AM (1GunI)

7 So when does Israel attack Iran? Next week? Tomorrow?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 07, 2012 12:57 AM (vk1zz)

8 I'm wondering what people are going to do now. I wonder what is going to happen...

Posted by: NWConservative at November 07, 2012 12:58 AM (M1gmo)

9 Goodbye USA. It's been nice Knowin' ya. Sorry we couldn't keep it Mr. Franklin...

Posted by: Timon at November 07, 2012 12:58 AM (AmX58)

10 No...no, it is the end of the world. There's no other way to present it.

God, oh God, I BELIEVED you. And you let me down. I tried so hard, and you let me down.

Why did I believe you?

The Media MUST DIE.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 07, 2012 12:59 AM (i0App)

11 This nation could not approve of Romney. It's a reflection on the nation, not on the man.

Posted by: George Orwell what know the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 12:59 AM (AZGON)

12 Romney just reeled off all the qualities that Barky and the Dems DON'T have and never will... we are so screwed...

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 12:59 AM (JwW4z)

13 Hello Greece II. Enjoy you Americans who decided a hurricane photo op was worth more then 4 years of incompetence.

Posted by: Mitchy at November 07, 2012 12:59 AM (abRXd)

14 "1 Thanks, Krauthammer, for talking me off the ledge. It's not the end of the world. Almost, but not quite.
Posted by: Cornfed at November 07, 2012 12:56 AM (CyqAO)"

It's more like the return to the way the rest of the world does things. Which is not good for us, or the rest of the world.

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 07, 2012 12:59 AM (CCHli)

15 Gentleman to the freaking end.

Posted by: DarrenODaly at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (ILhUm)

16 Im utterly disgusted. Disgusted.

Posted by: Jahson at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (70WAZ)

17 I hope the other half of the country is watching this and thinking "oh shit what did we just do???"

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (JwW4z)

18 Chill, bro. We've got the House. That's quite a lot actually.

Posted by: wte9 at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (6Tcdo)

19 Interesting times ahoy. Hold on to your helmet and keep your socks dry.

Posted by: Cackfinger at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (CCHli)

20

And now it begins................

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (Kgufq)

21 So, what happens when all the tax cuts sunset and all the tax increases kick in? How about all the small businesses that will not grow because of obamacare?

Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (C4dFv)

22 It's not the end of the world. I might be the end of the world economy.

I'm planning on going on welfare, just do some research and figure out how to gouge the state for every dollar. I will not work anymore, except on my own projects. Let other people pay for me, I'm sick of paying taxes.

Posted by: Amos at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (Wf8bk)

23 I loved the United States of America. It was beautiful.

Now, it's just dirt and stupid, shit and entitlement as far as the eye can see.

It's fuckin' ugly, a land with commies in it.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (jZn+7)

24 As for the long term fiscal situation . . . let's be honest, it's not like Romney was going to fix that in four years, Paul Ryan or not.

Posted by: wte9 at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (6Tcdo)

25 Oh, it's a nightmare, all right.

Posted by: moviegique at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (Cepxj)

26 It is time to go on strike. Seriously don't buy shit for Christmas. Don't donate to Hurricane Sandy relief let those blue state fucks get their help from the government.

If you own a business make sure that if you have to let people go that the are a Democrat.

Only buy from businesses that you know are owned by Conservatives.

Basically we need to crash the economy and let these left wing fucks choke on it.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (ZIWkB)

27 there's a party next door.

it wouldn't be so fucking bad, but there's a party next door.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (79EF9)

28 Ladies and gents, we are all screwed. From the indonesian imbeciles EPA to the newfound flexibility in Eastern Europe and Israel. The next 4 years will not go well. The USA is fucked.

Posted by: Timon at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (AmX58)

29 You bought it, you own it fuckwads. Problem is the fuckwads, unfortunately. You ever seen a fuckwad break something just for the hell of it? They laugh and go find something else to break. That's what we've got to deal with for a while.

Posted by: Texas Ranger at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (IvvrO)

30 Obama is not a good man or a good president. This is a fucking tragedy.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (x0g8a)

31 Dead inside.

Brings up the free rider dilemma - why continue voting GOP if we aren't gonna win and if we're continue to be frozen out of the obvious goodies.

Honduras private libertarian paradise city - I'm on my way

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (w4fEE)

32
I'm off of blogs. I feel I was led down a garden path by this site. I'm done with politics. So much for the hopey-changey shit that was going on on this site. Preference cascade, my ass.

This country is fucked.

Posted by: the clubfooted unshaven pegleg at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (Q2wni)

33 Israel might be in some trouble though . . .

Posted by: wte9 at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (6Tcdo)

34 Obamacare.

Supreme Court.

Religious freedom.

It's a nightmare.

Posted by: Crispian at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (uBMtY)

35 Looks like Romney's margin of victory will be in Gary Johnson votes in Ohio, Virginia, and Florida.

I earnestly, and truly wish that Ace/Mark Levin/etc hadn't spent so much time actively shitting on libertarians.

Posted by: Just sayin at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (QISkh)

36 30
Obama is not a good man or a good president. This is a fucking tragedy.


Posted by: Ken Royall at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (x0g8a)

Double damn ditto...

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (JwW4z)

37 I live in Mass, am a Cowboys fan, and just saw the country slit it's own throat re-electing the SCOAMF.

SMOD take me away!

Posted by: praying for SMOD at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (cKfPM)

38 New normal: 0-2% GDP growth, largely on gubmint spending, 8% UE, people living on two part time jobs, rising medical costs, kids living at home until 30, not forming families, no return on savings in a ZIRP environment...

In other words, France.

Posted by: George Orwell what know the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM (AZGON)

39 Time to buy farm land and hunker down for the coming collapse.

It was going to be a Romney messy clean-up or an Obama crash. Now we now what is the future presents. The only way Obama can avoid crash is to frack the s--t out America's oil shales over the screams of the greenies.

Dump Boehner, other old GOP dead weight and be ready for the coming collapse AND pin it on the Dems and that failed, corrupt statistic bureaucracy.

Also, the Huckabee wing of the GOP needs to take a distant back seat.

Economics, abolishing govt. corruption, sustainable govt, natl defense. That should be the platform. Nothing more.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM (9bWs4)

40 Into every life, a little rain must fall.

My question is, did it have to be 40 days and 40 nights?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM (ccXZP)

41 What really shocks me is all the very, very enthusiastic happy talk about huge turnout in red areas of swing states, that and hearing election day interviews of the likes of Reince Preibus and Paul Ryan where they sounded,to my ears, like they knew it was won.

Did I hallucinate all that?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM (zrpqj)

42 Dear Republicans, stop nominating abortion nuts to senate seats. We have now lost the chance for the senate 2 elections in a row because of this. I have no issue if you're pro life but this nutty rape bs is killing the party. We could've had the entire congress and stopped Obama from turning this country into socialist crap. Now he's going to executive order us up the ying yang and dingy harry will make sure the congress does nothing about it.

Posted by: Mitchy at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM (abRXd)

43 Looks like Mark Steyn was right; the lights are going out.

Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM (HYD/Y)

44 My septugenarian parents voted for Obama to protect their medical benefits. I don't have the heart to scold them for it now. But I'd better see if their wills are updated, and which funeral homes are the most affordable. I may need to know these things after Obamacare decides those lovely, generous (if somewhat foolish) Christian people are too old to live.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM (1GunI)

45 You know, i just don't get it. Fine, many/most people don't care about Benghazi, F&F, big-picture questions about the role and scope of government, whether and how our leaders have misled us, etc.

Even if we concede all of that, don't people care at least about their own self-interest? Four years of +8% unemployment, healthcare costs rising, energy and food rising, anemic growth, and.... the American people say, "FOUR MORE YEARS!"?! Do they not understand? Do they not care?

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (8Mgrk)

46 Nice speech Romney. Now to the POS POTUS: You've got 4 more years to answer the questions about Benghazi.

We're all Ty Woods now....

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (BVkEs)

47 Libertarians are responsible for this loss.

The voter margins in FL,OH VA tell you all you need to know.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (fkaOH)

48 Damned fine candidate. It's the electorate that sucked.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (Q0B9b)

49 But at least John Roberts protected the legitimacy of the SCOTUS by leaving the obviously unconstitutional Obamacare mandate to the political process.

If I ever meet that man, and I will at some point, I am going to let him know exactly what a piece of shit most the nation thinks he is for abandoning sound legal principle for fear of appearing political.

I can forgive Romney for losing. I can't forgive Roberts for conceding out God given rights.

Posted by: bskb at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (HEatA)

50 Anyone in the armed forces should get out now if their period of enlistment is over.

Our soldiers lives will be spent with no purpose, other than political, by Obama.

Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (wUFaM)

51 I didn't want to be an eeyore and drag anyone's cheer down over the past month, but I never really had a good feeling about this election. Just too many damn obstacles to overcome to believe that we could win.

Let Operation Bankrupt the MSM commence

Including Fox News

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (wwsoB)

52 I'm going listen to Mark Levin and then I'm done. I got my hopes up this guy would lose big and it was all wrong. It's over. No more of these sites for me.

Posted by: sally at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (Y9GVR)

53 >>>Chill, bro. We've got the House. That's quite a lot actually.

Well, remember we are only one half of one third of the govt.

*sniffle*

*sob*

*blubber*

*sob*

Posted by: John "Waterworks" Boehner at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (cKfPM)

54 Anyone and everyone INCLUDING ALL charities will get my stock answer from this moment on out: "Ask Obama for the money".

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (0jXPp)

55 Take ur loved ones to the hills and hunker down.

Posted by: Legion at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (0uYFm)

56 Hey all,
Okay, the takers have it. I am paying off bills, buying ammo and preparing for the worst. Greece, here we come. Only silver lining is - no riots in LA or out here.
Regards

Posted by: Mike L. at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (Rh4Ng)

57 Holy shit I didn't even think about the Supreme Court...The USA is fucked.

Posted by: Timon at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (AmX58)

58 Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni.

Theodore Roosevelt once noted that the Roman Republic fell because its people had become idle seekers of cheap thrills and government handouts. We have reached this point, and as Mark Twain once said, history doesn't repeat but often rhymes. Once again, the Republic lives only in the hearts of those who remember when Liberty was actually a thing.

Nihil nove sub sole.

Posted by: Cato at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (ld5M3)

59 I will say this is EXACTLY how the left felt after Bush was re-elected. And we're still here.

Posted by: Mordart at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (hXX/4)

60 Romney's a good man.

Thanks to ace and all the cob-loggers for their work on this. And the morons who tried to make this happen.

God bless you all.

Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (b1iOR)

61 Long time lurker, first time poster.

Fuck. WTF is wrong with America? I'm done with the Republican party. Romney had me fooled. I was convinced that he really wanted to win, but he turned out to be just another McCain who was content to be the Republican nominee who let the (half)Black guy be the _resident.

I knew the Repubs shoulda nominated Herman Cain, I always liked him.

I'd move to New Zealand or Costa Rica if I could afford it.

Fuck. Goodbye America, it was nice knowing you.

Posted by: Rattle at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (YuUSl)

62 Call a Western Constitutional States convention? Basically have the legislatures... wait, never mind. They made sure to steal a lot of those too - including the Sec of State positions to ensure entrenched and permanent voter fraud.

Yeah, no more free elections. Can't see that happening in the next twenty to forty years.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2012 01:05 AM (jZn+7)

63 Get a grip people. It's taken the progressives nearly 100 years to get to this point. It's going to take some time to get it moving the ther way. Control the media and we win with our ideas and principles. Make sure our citizens are properly educated. These are areas where we have given up the advantage. We have the house for now so we have a check on Obamas power. I'm not giving up the fight for limited government and American exceptionalism.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (DXTKe)

64
Sad.......so sad.......it's a sad, sad situation............
And it's getting quite absurd............

Posted by: Cascadia at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (LYt9Q)

65 Chill, bro. We've got the House. That's quite a lot actually.
Posted by: wte9 at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (6Tcdo)

Yup, that's just enough to let the JEF and MBM avoid complete accountability when we find ourselves in exactly the same (or likely worse) boat 4 years from now... I'm torn, part of me is happy that we extended our advantage in the House, but the "let in f*&king burn" part of me wishes we had lost the advantage so that they would have to finally own it completely.

Posted by: let it burn at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (vcVv2)

66 "Looks like Romney's margin of victory will be in Gary Johnson votes in Ohio, Virginia, and Florida.

I earnestly, and truly wish that Ace/Mark Levin/etc hadn't spent so much time actively shitting on libertarians."

So-cons must be placated. They must be allowed their special theories on rape, etc.

Always, been that way.

And I don' know what to do, because without so-cons, then we have a very minority party.

I guess just wait for the money to run out.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (NV30n)

67 For what it's worth, I blame the Repubs for pandering to the biblical creationist types. They should have catered to the libertarian free-market types instead.

Posted by: the clubfooted unshaven pegleg at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (Q2wni)

68 I am at a loss for what to do next.
2 Obama victories destroys one of the pillars of my identity.

I was proud to be an American. I really was. I was proud of our history. I read the history of the Founding Fathers and, corny as it sounds, tried to live my life in a manner that honored that tradition.

I was proud of my father and grandfather for volunteering to fight overseas when America called -- my grandfather in Germany and my father in Vietnam.

I wanted America to succeed. I took pride in Olympic success of American athletes. I took pride in the accomplishments of my fellow countrymen.

That is all gone now. I realize I was clinging to an out-dated image of what America was. What is the point? Why should I sacrifice anything or honor anything about an America that would choose a man like Obama as President? Why should I take pride in the achievements of Americans who would cheer a man like Obama?

What do I actually have in common with the 50% of the country that votes and cheers for Obama? How many of them hate me? How many of them want me to suffer -- perhaps due to the color of my skin, or my religion, or political beliefs. What, if any, shared ideals do we have?

What is the point of America? It's just a place now. It's meaningless.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (ZPrif)

69 ROmney benig such a good guy makes it hurt that much more.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (piMMO)

70 "I have no issue if you're pro life but this nutty rape bs is killing the party."

hell, even i'm pro-life...and there's not a drop of religion in me.

this idea that emergency contraception, which is in most cases not abortifacient and cannot possibly be said to "take a life", be withheld from rape victims is toxic.

how could anyone believe that medicine preventing a pregnancy should be withheld from a rape victim?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (79EF9)

71
A devout Christian friend sent me this. I post it at midnight: this is the Book of Joshua:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=joshua%201version=KJV

Be strong and of good courage. Our forebears fought to carve our
nation out of the wilderness, and have fought in numerous wars; our
Christian forebears and the Israelites before them have endured horrors.
America is now an underground movement; don't expect our blogs to be allowed to exist much longer. We will need our own samizdat network. Watch the patriotic radio hosts get gelded (like they did to Don Imus).
We will live in "interesting times."
Who is John Galt?

Posted by: beverly at November 07, 2012 01:07 AM (55ikV)

72 well the welfare cheats and other leeches have officially won, in the next three years the military will be raped for funds for more welfare and Obamacare will take on a life of its own.

Another prediction - Obysmal will sign several UN treatries and the Senate will pass them, particularly the small arms treaty. After that he will replace two Supreme Clowns and you can then kiss the 2nd Amendment goodbye. Law of the Sea Treaty will be the second one and it will give up our rights to the wealth on our continental shelf to the UN. We will have to beg permission to get it and pay a stiff royalty to the UN for the priviledge of getting our own wealth.

Coal mining will be all but shut down. Coal fired electric generators will be going dark one after another and another trillion dollars will be flushed down the renewables rathole. Gasoline and utility rates will skyrocket and welfare payments will go up with them as it is only "fair".

this is not my parents America and now no longer mine
[for the smart assed libs I am actually going to leave permanently as soon as I can get a decent price for our house. I'm done.]

Posted by: chuck in st paul at November 07, 2012 01:07 AM (EhYdw)

73 Libertarians are responsible for this loss.

If the Libertarians had won, then, yes. But the Libertarians did not win. Obama won. The people who voted for Obama are responsible for this loss. Blame them.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 07, 2012 01:07 AM (QTHTd)

74 So, are there anyRepublicans with guts who will shout about stolen elections? Or is that soley a Dm thing now.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 07, 2012 01:07 AM (i0App)

75 Austerity is not so bad.

Posted by: Andrea Witchell at November 07, 2012 01:07 AM (z6KMg)

76 Posted by: Cato

Can I get a translation?

Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (HYD/Y)

77 It IS a nightmare Ace, even though it did happen.I guessI picked the wrong time to stop sniffing glue. Well at least I still have enough money to buy some of 3M's best because I'll be eating pudding for the next week instead of dipping my scroatin it.

Posted by: Speller at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (J74Py)

78 SHOCKING PREDICTION FROM INSIDE OBAMA HQ: @RebelPundit "WI, CO, IA, will all flip to Romney!" cc @GatewayPundit @Instapundit @MichelleMalkin

And OH

Posted by: diz at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (8S+r3)

79 38
New normal: 0-2% GDP growth, largely on gubmint spending, 8% UE, people
living on two part time jobs, rising medical costs, kids living at home
until 30, not forming families, no return on savings in a ZIRP
environment...



In other words, France.

Posted by: George Orwell what know the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM

But they have tits and ass on their tv screens so they think they're the most freedom loving people on earth

Give the people a big circus and it cuts down on the bread you have to give them

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (wwsoB)

80 How does the electorate give us the house but not the presidency?

Do they just want a deal that saves all their goodies and has hire taxes?

That can't even happen.

An by the way, raising taxes will cause a recession as will cuts, so folks are going to be unhappy.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (NV30n)

81
I actually renounced US citizenship and have a very nice paper that protects me from an out of control US government.

One of about 1800.

But I'm so sad tonight. America is the greatest country in the world. It has just forgotten that for awhile.

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (AC0lD)

82 Mia Love behind by some 250 votes. Oiy!

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (zrpqj)

83 Hope Issa, Gowdy, and the rest of the House members witha set will now double-down and take it to the SCOAMF over Benghazi. And not let up.

Honestly, what do they have to lose?

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (fkaOH)

84 Fuck me, my liberalish wife is in the family room watching the election results on TV and I can hear it through the wall of the room I'm in.

I think Mitt might be talking right now? Oh fuck I hope I don't have to hear TFGSCOAMFJEF's voice tonight. I know, I should go in there and rip the plug out of the wall but marital harmony is important when you have kids.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (YxaXw)

85 Mother FUCK

i just get done posting to the last thread about how Romney better fight this to the bitter end, then of course he does the sac-less thing and concede to this proven liar and all the fraud that must have taken place.

i just......give up.

Posted by: ninjaphish at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (VTXt1)

86 We may feel like Dems did in 2004, but the demographics are WAY different now for us than for them in 2004.

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (w4fEE)

87 I'm pessimistic about our short- and medium-term electoral prospects.

Electing Obama in 2008 was bad, but forgivable under the circumstances. Re-electing him wasn't merely stupid; it was aggressively stupid. >50% of this country wants free shit, and is happily distracted by bullshit vaginal issues that don't matter.

Meanwhile, every year there's more debt. We're one year closer to being Greece. The brokest nation in history gets broker.

I'm convinced that the GOP isn't going to win the White House for a while. Not with an electorate that's getting more dependent every cycle.

No, it's going to take a big crash. Something on the scale of the PIIGs. Maybe then we'll have a real discussion about the size and scope of government. Until then, though, it's MOAR FREE SHIT, MOAR OBAMAPHONES, and MOAR VAGINAL BULLSHIT as far as the eye can see.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (8AF9+)

88 59 I will say this is EXACTLY how the left felt after Bush was re-elected. And we're still here.

Wow. Such insight. You really should get one of your own blogs. Take that in people, we are still here after Bush, therefore, Obama is not a clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

David Brooks is that you? Or are you just an expert at simulating famous retards?

Posted by: bskb at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (HEatA)

89 BTW, I'm giving 5:8 odds that Obama acts like a fucking douchebag towards Romney in his victory speech

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (w4fEE)

90 For the second time in her adult lifetime, Michelle is really proud of her country.

Posted by: Crispian at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (uBMtY)

91 No, boulder hobo, I blame you. You said your vote didn't count so you voted whatever.

Hope you have no children who will see your vote and say, "Uncle? You let that guy win/"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (i0App)

92 Republican house, let the fiscal cliff occur ! Do not give in to this liberal socialist good !

Posted by: Mitchy at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (abRXd)

93 I wish I wasn't diabetic so I could drink myself into a stupor, instead of a coma. *sigh* One more disappointment for tonight.... Gonna go kill orcs on LOTR Online now and imagine every one of them an Obamabot or a Libertarian. Goodnight all.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (1GunI)

94 69
ROmney benig such a good guy makes it hurt that much more.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (piMMO)

And his speech was jst more evidence of what a fine man he is... HOW could so many so-called "Americans" fall for the JEF??? It's still unbelievable...

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (JwW4z)

95 So...

*Claps hands together*

Lets talk 2016!

Posted by: Robert at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (LUnTP)

96 F.
U.
C.
K.

Posted by: PabaBear38 at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (SmfrK)

97 47 Libertarians are responsible for this loss

You assume libertarians votes belong to the GOP.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (DXTKe)

98 So, I guess here's the Shibumi 2013 agenda: figure out how to remain a productive citizen, while convincing Uncle Sugar that I need to be supported like the rest of the gimme crowd.

Any ideas morons? Because I'm really, really tired of supporting the gimme crowd, and since it seems we can't beat them, we'll have to join them.

Posted by: shibumi at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (z63Tr)

99 We will reap a whirlwind

For surrending academia to progressives and choosing a culture of dependence

Now on to the fiscal cliff, cuts to the military, flexability with our enemies, the sacrifice of Israel, obamacare in full, the destruction of our energy sector,

Things will be done even more by fiat, all in the name of building his "legacy". Presidents have always tried to create a legacy by creating "peace" in the middle east. None has dared sacrifice Israel to get it. He will. Watch.

I am filled with dread.

Posted by: thunderb. at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (oTiJu)

100 Poor mitt Romney we really let him Down.

Posted by: LASue at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (gjIQF)

101 Yes we may have the house. But who do you think it going to be blamed when things go bad. The republicans in the house for not playing along. You know what the people will believe it. It will always be the republicans fault no matter what because none of the republicans will fight back.

Posted by: Wi Lurker at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (9pqWr)

102 93
I wish I wasn't diabetic so I could drink myself into a stupor, instead
of a coma. *sigh* One more disappointment for tonight.... Gonna go kill
orcs on LOTR Online now and imagine every one of them an Obamabot or a
Libertarian. Goodnight all.

I'm not, but I probably am now... Fuck the World I wanna get off...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (9+ccr)

103
That's some victory you got their Obama.

Posted by: King Pyrrhus at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (1PE/J)

104 Hating Breitbart ‏@HatingBreitbart
UPDATE FROM INSIDE OBAMA HQ: @RebelPundit "The campaign is still watching their screens closely" #CanItFlip?

Posted by: diz at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (8S+r3)

105 **We're all Ty Woods now....
Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (BVk**Oh yeah. Sums it all up.

Posted by: misty at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (2crn8)

106 I feel that my thirty years of service to this nation have been a complete waste. I can't believe I put my life on the line multiple times for such stupid people.

We got to this point because we allowed the progressives to take over the educational system. The hand that rocks the cradle.... They grew whole generations of socialists. Think about it.

Posted by: LCDR M(Ret) at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (RivEu)

107 well its been an interesting ride. Romney needed to beat him by 3-5% to be out of the fraud margin.

Sadley with so few states willing to have voter id laws...this is what happens.

Congratulations takers. When we run out of money, you are on your own. Use those free phones while you can bitches.

and with that I bid you goodbye.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (ovpNn)

108 BTW, I'm giving 5:8 odds that Obama acts like a fucking douchebag towards Romney in his victory speech

"We need to put aside our differences and work together to move America forward". And no that's not a quote but I'll give you odds that it will be.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (YxaXw)

109 95 So...

*Claps hands together*

Lets talk 2016!

.....
Yes lets.

If Chris Christie runs, I will move heaven and earth to beat him. Mind you, I do this because moving heaven and earth is easier than moving his fat selfish ass.

Posted by: bskb at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (HEatA)

110 @102 any chance you play on Crick?
That is tempting.

Posted by: Crispian at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (uBMtY)

111 @87 - Yeah, I'm coming around to that position.



Posted by: JEM at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (o+SC1)

112
Awesome,
I had confidence so I bought a house.
Now I'm pretty fucking worried about being able to keep it. Sure my wife has a good job now (and I'm finishing up my school work.) But this the SCOAMF in charge? I might as well stop my school shit because..eh..why bother. And I'm worried my wife will hang on to her job.
Joy!

Posted by: tsrblke at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (GaqMa)

113 "You assume libertarians votes belong to the GOP."

When Democrats were tossing $ to some of these libertarian candidates? You bet your sweet ass.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (fkaOH)

114 Fuck you America. You're dead to me. I'm going on welfare.

Posted by: Naes at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (r4dYV)

115 Mitt will be much richer because of this. Literally.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (BVkEs)

116 Oh, and one more thing. Think about this: all the Supreme Court justices who have been hanging on will ALL now retire. Stand by for DECADES of a left wing court. Oh, boy!

Posted by: LCDR M(Ret) at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (RivEu)

117 Unbefuckingleivable.

Posted by: Adam at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (/YJYi)

118 Look ace, the polls were accurate. To not have seen this coming, you really had to convince yourself that everything in front of your eyes wasn't true. You had to be conspiratorial. Silver is an asshole, but he's right. GOP is demographically done. Time to open the door for a 3rd party. Also, no more nonsense about 'electability'. Neither of our 'electable' candidates - McCain or Romney - were particularly electable. Conservatives didn't love them, and the left will always find a way to demonize a conservative. Next election, conservative strategy must be to vote red in red states and swing states (if the country still has any true swing states left), but to vote libertarian in hard blue states, where the red votes don't make a lick of difference anyway, and the national support for a libertarian can potentially change the conversation and siphon off democrat civil libertarians.

Posted by: Roald Dahl Paul at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (Kd6lF)

119 I think Our Emperor will not cut a budget deal. The sequester will happen. Because then he can tax everybody, not just the rich.

And then say "those darn Repubs wouldn't make a deal."

Posted by: PJ at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (DQHjw)

120
I wish I could say differently but.....We're not a right of center country anymore, even if the margin is slim. When an electorate can be convinced that the "rich" are to blame for all that's wrong, they've essentially said it's ok to raise taxes on one group or another in exchange for more free stuff.8% unemployment is OK so long as there's a "safety net" to fall into. Free healthcare, bailouts of student loans.

Mitt's "47%" was so politically damaging but just so devastatingly spot on. From now on, anyone who dares try to cut entitlements or govt programs is a loser in a National election -You're offically an extremist. Libs control the big cities through welfare and unions, making the outcome of National elections decided by only a few counties.

Face it - we're officially Europe.

Posted by: PelosiSchmelosi at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (oBrP/)

121 My wife and I cried tonight.

This is the end of the country as we know it. The takers have taken over. And we makers are fucked and forced to pay for it.

Our country now begins the long slide into failure.

I'm done. I have no fight left in me. I am done and I will try to live out the rest of my life insulated from this nightmare. I'm old enough where that will probably work. I just mourn for my daughters and all younger Americans fooled into thinking this idiot will be anything but a disaster for this country.

Good night, 'rons. Love y'all. Time to drain the liquor supply.. but I still doubt I will be able to sleep. What a fucking disaster.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (UTq/I)

122 My opinion on why we lost. Social issues and the gender gap. Romney was a strong candidate and the economy was in the tank, but the entire GOP became the Todd Akin/Richard Mourdock Party.

The Religious Right needs to be removed from the GOP, otherwise we're going to become Greece arguing over an issue that was settled several generations ago.

Posted by: Jeepers at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (XDRsa)

123 I live next door to a Wanda Sikes wannabe. Her cackling will be louder than usual tonight.

Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (C4dFv)

124 108
"We
need to put aside our differences and work together to move America
forward". And no that's not a quote but I'll give you odds that it will
be.


Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (YxaXw)
I turned on a local station not long ago and they had Dennis Kucinich on, and that little troll said essentially just that.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (s8XaI)

125 Ed Henry on Fox talking about Bill Clinton - forgot about him, and I bet that's what got Barky over the top in a lot of places... Wonder what Hillary thinks of that?

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (JwW4z)

126
So far the scoamf wasn't able to break 50% of the popular vote.

Posted by: King Pyrrhus at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (1PE/J)

127 Ed Henry saying TFG got the call from Romney, remarked on how gracious Romney was (ya think?), and then immediately genuflected before Bubba

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (w4fEE)

128
The country's demographic future is pretty much baked in the cake. If the GOP can't win a national election against the record of the SCOAMF, when can they? GWB may very well be the last Republican President of all fifty states we will have, and boy wasn't he one hell of a small government conservative to end on?

Anyhoo, this is about the states now. If they don't want to go down the Euro-socialist sewer, they are going to have to band together and push back against the Federal Government like hell. Defiance and perhaps eventual seperation.
I'm going to ask a fellow Texan I know where he bought his SECEDE sticker. It's not hyperbole, it's a serious consideration.



Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (8cOY0)

129 LIGuy: "The winning cause pleased the gods but the losing cause pleased Cato.". And "Nothing new under the sun."

Posted by: Cato at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (561wb)

130 Another gracious and honorable GOP candidate humbly and honorable loses to a tyrant.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (pY1ig)

131 When Huckabee persuaded Akin to stay in the race, I knew the dream of killing Obamacare prematurely had passed.


Time for the classic liberals, libertarians, and originalists to take over the GOP. Enough of the Huckabee's dragging us down.

Time to wage war within the GOP. No more social promotion (last primary loser becoming the next presidential loser), no more establishment squishes, no more nutjobs!


Who should replace Boehner as Speaker? If Boehner continues, I am all for a messy GOP Civil War. BRING IT!

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (9bWs4)

132 Take 24 hours to mope and then buck the fuck up. I spent the day shivering outside a poll in PA, and lost most races on the ballot. It happens.

The reality is, Obama is the Dems' Reagan. And they now need a candidate of color to rack up minority votes and win. It's their crutch. The next one won't be Obama. Look at their bench and find one.

The GOP needs more than 60% of the white vote to win, and we can do better with Hispanics, without selling out on immigration. (Yeah, Rubio as VP could have won it. Hindisight.) This is just one election. They talked of a Permanent GOP Majority in 2002. 'Member that?

Posted by: CJ at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (9G+G5)

133 And... Fox calls VA for Earflaps McClasswar

Posted by: George Orwell what know the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (AZGON)

134 It is justice that the people who believe in democracy should vote, and that the people who do not believe in democracy should not.

If democracy is a good system, then the people voting will give us the best government.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (QTHTd)

135 Oh it's a nightmare alright.

You just can't wake up from it.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (SP4jC)

136 I'm not religious, but this reminds me of the story of Samuel, at least as I remember it from hebrew school. The Jews demanded a king, Samuel was disgusted by this and asked God what to do. God said give them their king; they will get what they deserve.

Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (HYD/Y)

137 One can only wonder the outcomes without the busses and busses of fraudulent votes, corrupt poll workers and NBPP intimidators. But if it all really came down to the people having no problem reelecting the most colossal fuckup in modern history, then we were doomed to begin with. No two ways about it. Now we just wait for the collapse. I'm crushed to see my country disintegrate. I loved her so. Now, I don't ever want to hang the flag outside on my house again. America is America no more. Reaching for the stars will no longer be the phrase millions of parents tell their children. It will now be to get what you can off the government. You'll take what they give and you'll be happy about it.

I never dreamed we'd fall like this. With all the positive signs in our direction. What went wrong, America? My God, what went wrong?

Posted by: Lady in Black voting with her lady parts to send TFG packing! at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (lTVJy)

138 Israel and our freedom Are Dead and thrown under the bus ....... Get our souls right with God Now !!!!!

God help us ....this nation is Lost .....God have mercy on us !!!!!
I will Never surrender my Faith in God and I will Never call this scoamfy president ....Ever ....

Time to prepare for the collapse that is coming .....

Posted by: grumpy momma bear at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (1h0qv)

139 well, there you are.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (jo069)

140 The best thing you can do as a conservative for the future of this country at this point? Have children, lots of them, and raise them to understand the fallacies of liberalism. Demography is all that matters at the end of the day.

Posted by: tommy at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (Ufxn1)

141 The msm is constantly in cahoots with the donks. That is never going to change.

Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (C4dFv)

142 The Religious Right needs to be removed from the
GOP, otherwise we're going to become Greece arguing over an issue that
was settled several generations ago.


Posted by: Jeepers at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (XDRsa)
Look, I'm probably what you would call a "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" person (except on abortion), and I'm an atheist. But you boot the religious right from the GOP, they'll never win anything.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (s8XaI)

143

"ROmney benig such a good guy makes it hurt that much more."

It hurt him, too. I know he's a good, decent person. But in order to defeat leftists you need an ass-kicker and Romney was not an ass-kicker. I don't mean call Obama a bullshitter but Romney not just left Benghazi off the fucking table - he didn't even know there was a table to put Benghazi on. He didn't pound Obama on the debt, didn't fight back about the Richie Riches wanting to eat everyone's children, did not defend the free market properly, blah, blah, blah.

So sick of (R)s nominating shit hole candidates. I supported Mitt fully but I was reluctant and it turns out my initial fears about him were correct.

Posted by: Texas Ranger at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (IvvrO)

144 MY son called me i disbelief ant I tried to tell him nothing will change and not to worry... I was lying... I fear for my 4 Grand kids..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (9+ccr)

145 I was looking forward to posting a pic of myself voting in my "Breitbart Is Here" t-shirt. DAMMIT.

Posted by: sybilll at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (rWS7Y)

146 Romney actually did a good job - he got up to Obama vote levels - it's just that's not enough when you're up against the Chicago machine 47% with Candy Crowley and the media taking lead. Pray that it's God's will for reasons we may not yet understand or already do and only the day and hour yet to be ultimately revealed to us and, as forewarned in scripture, beware of false prophets.

Posted by: Steven W. at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (tC0ou)

147 The shitstorm is about a month away. This guy has no ideas he presented for the fiscal cliff. None. People ate up the taxing 2% another 4%. We know it's a gimmick. America doesn't. Stay the course on Medicare he says. It will be January at best before this shit blows up, and Obama will be content to blame it on the house blocking everyone from their rightful utopia for 2 years, as things get worse and worse

Don't blame Romney for this. He's not McCain. He put Medicare on the table and used some political savvy in how he did it. He talked about the dangers of government intrusion at great length. He ran a competent campaign, and 7.9% unemployment, 16 trillion in debt was just not enough to wake America up.



Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (UvR6d)

148 Soetoro II: IDIOCRACY NOW!

Posted by: Hank Hill at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (ypzqs)

149 Allen West lost as well.

Posted by: MrX at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (PxmNZ)

150 >>>I earnestly, and truly wish that Ace/Mark Levin/etc hadn't spent so much time actively shitting on libertarians.

I'm becoming more libertarian all the time. I say so and stuff.

I am against Libertarians, capital L, as a political party, because it's an idiotic indulgence. There is a single presidency, and each house race produces a single victor. We do not have a parliamentary system where if you win 15% of the vote you get about 15% of the seats. If you win 15% of the vote, you get nothing. And you simply draw that 15% of the vote away from whichever major party is closer to your views.

The better you do as a third party, the more you help the party whose views are most directly opposite your own.

This is an indulgence.


Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (LCRYB)

151 Maybe it's not a nightmare, but just really ironic humor. Think about it.

It'd be funny in a movie. Ha ha look at those idiots ha ha.

*sob*

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (6JMZR)

152 I will not live much longer. Canceling my art show because there is no point any more. Throwing canvases into the basement.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (i0App)

153 So.... this means we're not racist anymore, right?

Posted by: Anachronda, looking on the bright side of life at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (1c58W)

154 Gentleman to the freaking end.

That might be part of the problem.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (SP4jC)

155 "7
So when does Israel attack Iran? Next week? Tomorrow?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 07, 2012 12:57 AM (vk1zz)"
I just hope they go all "Samson Option" on Iran and that one of those fucking missiles is aimed at DC.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (P2Ufm)

156 Maybe we should register as Dems so that we can vote in their primaries and force their candidates to move to the right or throw TFG under their buses

Decades ago, Dems had a huge advantage in voter identifications. Most Southern states were one party monopolies, which was why George Wallace, Lester Maddox, and several other segregationists were Democrats.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (wwsoB)

157 18
Chill, bro. We've got the House. That's quite a lot actually.

Posted by: wte9 at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (6Tcdo)

That'll be just enough to ensure that The Left can manage to hang the entire destruction around the GOP's neck once the checks come due.

Posted by: Grimmy at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (uUsh9)

158 If the GOP can't beat this guy with this record . . . they may not even be a viable party any more.

Posted by: tsj017 at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (vOH26)

159 Thank God for this oasis. Hope you morons can keep me sane in the next four years. I know there will be all kinds of inside jokes about preference cascade, but truthfully it will come.

In about 3 1/2 years.

Posted by: Max Power at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (+wxCD)

160 134
It is justice that the people who believe in democracy should vote, and that the people who do not believe in democracy should not.

If democracy is a good system, then the people voting will give us the best government.


Posted by: boulder hobo at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (QTHTd)

What?

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (s8XaI)

161 I just heard a rumor that the Navy Seal who killed Bin Laden died today. Can anyone confirm if this is true or false?

Posted by: misty at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (2crn8)

162 I just can't believe this. And Mitt Romney will always be a hero to me. The nation failed him.

Posted by: Vertov at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (rRr9n)

163 I'm starting to think Anthony Weiner has a real shot in the mid-terms.

Posted by: George Orwell what know the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (AZGON)

164 Allen West lost?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (9+ccr)

165 I WANT to be positive and upbeat and #WAR! about this.

But we put everything into this. This country really has changed. And not for the better.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (JycCV)

166 'm off of blogs. I feel I was led down a garden path by this site. I'm done with politics. So much for the hopey-changey shit that was going on on this site. Preference cascade, my ass.

This country is fucked.
Posted by: the clubfooted unshaven pegleg at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (Q2wni)


Fuck you, dude. Seriously, fuck you with a rusty pineapple, sideways. You want to leave, then stop with the flouncing and just go.

Posted by: Bill H at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (3sZO1)

167 The Religious Right needs to be removed from the GOP, otherwise we're going to become Greece arguing over an issue that was settled several generations ago.
Posted by: Jeepers at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (XDRsa)

You are a fucking idiot. Please go away quickly and NOW!

Posted by: Timon at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (AmX58)

168 I do not believe any candidate - no matter how conservative - can overcome the damage that will be done in the next four years. Obamacare is now officially law of the land, and will not be repealed.

I have fought passionately for Conservative ideals and candidates my whole life, and now that life is half over. My beloved country has chosen a path to ruin.

I'm done with politics.

I have God and my family to live for from now on.

At least I will get to say I grew up under Reagan...

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (UU6uJ)

169 140
The best thing you can do as a conservative for the future of this
country at this point? Have children, lots of them, and raise them to
understand the fallacies of liberalism. Demography is all that matters
at the end of the day.


Posted by: tommy at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (Ufxn1)

And remember, with all the libs on free birth control, and abortions for when that fails, there won't be any little libs in a generation or two - if America survives.

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (JwW4z)

170 ... but Obama still sucks

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (vDjLD)

171 Thank God we kept the House. Subpoena power baby.

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (BVkEs)

172
"I'm probably what you would call a "socially liberal, fiscally conservative"

Yeah I was too until I realized what a horseshit combo that is and I was only doing it to sound above it all. Socially liberal on what? Gee, let them spend whatever the fuck they want on the social stuff, but when it comes to fiscal stuff that's where I draw the line. Makes no sense. You might be a wonderful person, but this, my friend, makes no sense.

Posted by: Texas Ranger at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (IvvrO)

173 "
In other words, France.

Posted by: George Orwell what know the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 01:03 AM (AZGON)"
At least most of the women in France are thin, unlike the bulk (pun intended) of Obama-supporting women.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (P2Ufm)

174 Well, that was a fucking morale booster.

Posted by: fluffy at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (5ggkP)

175
Prediction:
DJIA down 250+ tommorow. No point in massaging the UE numbers either, over 8 next month (never waste a crisis.)
Prepare ye for Stimulus II and executive Orders galore.

Posted by: tsrblke at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (GaqMa)

176 PS - Chris Christie - I think we're playing Jersey rules so, remember, WE NEVER FORGET! God Bless America

Posted by: Steven W. at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (tC0ou)

177 I will no longer believe any fucking GOP "experts" on polling- Ace, Michael Barone, Dick Morris, Unskewed Polling, Karl Rove- you were all so fucking wrong. You guys always talk about the left's self deception but you have it in spades.

Posted by: Naes at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (r4dYV)

178 Okay seriously West lost?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (9+ccr)

179 131 When Huckabee persuaded Akin to stay in the race, I knew the dream of killing Obamacare prematurely had passed.

My last post ... FUCK HUCKABEE

Posted by: osu at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (G4dDt)

180 That'll be just enough to ensure that The Left can manage to hang the
entire destruction around the GOP's neck once the checks come due.


This.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (hO8IJ)

181
.... Next four years???

You assholes aint makin it to Christmas......

Posted by: MAYAN CALENDER at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (ffV1/)

182 Hell, Elliot Spitzer should consider a comeback.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (AZGON)

183 "I'm becoming more libertarian all the time. I say so and stuff."

it's felt like you've been a *lot* more libertarian than the majority of your readership for years now...that's the main reason this has been my blog of choice since 08.

it's time for the gop to put on a fresher face, and libertarianism is probably the way to go.

social conservatism is a lost cause, and there's nothing wrong with a little extra freedom...even if it *is* essentially freedom to harm oneself.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (79EF9)

184 We need to ditch the religious extremists in the party and become more libertarian.

Posted by: the clubfooted unshaven pegleg at November 07, 2012 01:20 AM (Q2wni)

185 143

I'm right there with the poster you quoted. McCain losing = well, he's a douchebag.

I'd really grown to like and respect Romney, and always had that like and respect for Ryan, so yeah . . . this one's gonna hurt for a long time

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 01:20 AM (w4fEE)

186 That'll be just enough to ensure that The Left can manage to hang the entire destruction around the GOP's neck once the checks come due.
Posted by: Grimmy at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (uUsh9)

They would do that regardless. Might as well buy ourselves some time.

Posted by: wte9 at November 07, 2012 01:20 AM (6Tcdo)

187 My wife grew up in a country occupied by the USSR.

She is totally and completely crushed by this. They at least were conquered, she says. We? We chose it.

Posted by: Some Asshole at November 07, 2012 01:20 AM (S4DnY)

188 We need to focus on regaining our urban centers. That we can lose by 70-80 percentage points in the most populous areas is disgraceful, especially considering that they are exclusively in democrat control and rife with suffering and despair.

I've bitched about this for 8+ years; volunteered for upstart democrats because they were the only alternative to an older, more corrupt machine. I've only to disappointed by the those I helped bring in power and I watched as our party did nothing to talk to the voters who are the the biggest victims of the democrat machine.

The establishment is dead to me. If I have to bring this change about, in these areas of which I've worked so hard to help prosper, only to be stymied by the the very people who espouse their goals of prosperity for all, yet enact policy that only helps themselves, then I will do it, even if I have to do it alone.

I love my country. Freedom is my birthright. I will not be deterred by a loss. I will be galvanzined by the hope of a better tomorrow. I will not give up.

Posted by: taylork at November 07, 2012 01:20 AM (ppNDn)

189 If the recounts fail, where's the rally point folks: an Article 5 convention, Perry's 10th Amendment project, replacing Boner in the house, new Senate leader - Rand?

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 01:20 AM (ilc7b)

190 184
pegleg, giving into bigots like you won't ensure victory.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 07, 2012 01:20 AM (jZn+7)

191
FFS, everyone get a fucking grip.
We need tokeep fighting and win the fights we can. Our kids and grand children need us to fucking nut up.
Anyone remember four years ago? That sucked too. Put the big boy pants tomorrow or the next day when the tequila is out.

Posted by: The Badger State at November 07, 2012 01:20 AM (wd82C)

192 No businesses are going to hire full time employees because of Obamacare. Now we are stuck with it, I don't think there is any chance of repeal.
Thanks CJ John Roberts for trying to keep integrity of SCOUS in tact, but in fact, you made it a joke.

I wanted Rick Perry to run and he wasn't ready because of his back sugary a month before he announced. Rick now is the time for debate prep and foreign policy knowledge. Rick the farm team is great but too inexperienced as senators only, we need you!

Posted by: CarolT at November 07, 2012 01:21 AM (z4WKX)

193 For those of you imagining a massive fraud: If so, do you think anyone will investigate?
Do you think things will get better?

Those that think the USA will be the reserve currency and the superpower and a free nation in 4 years?

Good luck and smooth sailing.
Take care of your families.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 01:21 AM (+paCV)

194 Anyone... Did West actually lose?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:21 AM (9+ccr)

195 I feel bad for Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan. They are both honorable, intelligent, and hard-working men who gave this campaign their all only to come-up short because half this country decided to ignore reality in favor of utopian dreams.

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 07, 2012 01:21 AM (YjDyJ)

196
Allen West lost as well.

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Please tell me you're kidding.

Posted by: Lady in Black voting with her lady parts to send TFG packing! at November 07, 2012 01:21 AM (lTVJy)

197 86

The BILLS to be paid now are way different than in '84.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 01:21 AM (d0Dmj)

198
Just got back from Boston Romney HQ. First time I ever saw anything like this.
It was quite revealing how powerful and grotesque the modern media swarm is now. The whole complex was overrun with journalists. They absolutely dominate everything about modern politics. It was amazing to see thousands of these leftistjournolisters analysing, "reporting", concocting, covering up, spinning and lying en masse. It is ridiculous, absurd and sinister. And their lies register with millions.
Starve the beast. Cut out Comcast and stop all TV. All. If millions of Americans turned off TV and quit patronizing the outfits that employ these liars maybe some progress could be made. I plan to shut down Comcast tomorrow after seeing this media locust idiocy at the Romney HQ.
I personally witnessed some worthless, fat, pasty-facedBuzzfeed maggotrun away and cringe when confronted by a Romney staffer who called out his lies. No defense. The bum just ran away. The clown just concocts bullshit, is called out on it and runs away.
A much better man lost yet again. Obama's 2nd term will behorror storyin its tragic incompetence and corruption and lunatic leftism.
Quit TV. Quit buying productsfrom outfits that help employ the scum in the media. This screws Hollywood, media, corrupt corporation enablers and other suspects.




Posted by: Cambridge Ryan Fan at November 07, 2012 01:21 AM (WnjLc)

199 This is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: Cyn at November 07, 2012 01:22 AM (5e9ni)

200 180 HeatherRadish,

Pretty much. I'm deciding whether to work my ass off or go to ground. The "budget will be balanced' on my wife's back and she will likely lose her job soon. I gambled my play money for the year and lost and in losing may have lost our pension.

I'm a fucking retard. I bet on people trusting themselves more than Chris Matthews and Obama.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 01:22 AM (LRFds)

201 Here's hoping we can start colonizing space soon and have an American Revolution part II.

Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 01:22 AM (HYD/Y)

202
At the risk of sending people off a cliff, I can summaraize:

"We are all Buffalo now."

One the bright side, any Buffalo ex-pats who were disturbed about the steady flight of peoplefrom your hometown need not worry. There will be nowhere to go anymore.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:22 AM (Mxt9o)

203 ***********************************
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (i0App)

Beckoning fucking STOP. Please someone keep an eye on this. If you know Beckoning, talk to him. This is serious shit.

Beckoning, people love you. You have value. We're in the shit right now and it sucks and it's everythign we believe in, but it's not everything. Everything is not gone. Please.
***********************************

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 01:23 AM (6JMZR)

204
Democracy with rule of law respecting property is merely two foxes and a chicken voting on what is for dinner. A little deeper analogy:
Obama and the Progressive Left have forged a winning coalition of those who want free chicken, and those progressive elites who think it will be cool to use the power of the government to sieze the chickens and serve themup to them.
Our coalition- the farmer and the Chickens, who wanted to sell eggs and maybe expand into the Dairy farm or Pork industries, loses.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 01:23 AM (4ABat)

205 Say, O/T, but... did Mia Love win? It would be nice if SOMETHING good happened tonight.

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 01:23 AM (appbn)

206 I'm hearing bullshit about how the victory was "ordinary Americans overcoming powerful interests"

Reminds me of a line in the Dan Ackroyd "Dragnet" movie

Ackroyd: "You're forgetting one thing. The good law abiding and moral citizens of Los Angeles"

Christopher Plummer: "Forgetting? I'm absolutely COUNTING on them!"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:23 AM (wwsoB)

207
184
Yes. A hell of a lot of young people are libertarians who are scared away from the GOP by the Huckabee types.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (8cOY0)

208 Another long nightmare has just began and lets hope we survive

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (Ea64Y)

209 We're all a bunch of fucking idiots for getting fooled by this. Maybe it won't be so bad. That's all we can hope for!

Posted by: Alan at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (Pkd3R)

210 So now I can't watch any news till Feb.? Okay.. There is no way I will watch obama and mooche be inaugurated again... fuck them and I don't mean that in a good way...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (9+ccr)

211 Routed in the Senate. The Republican Party is finished.

Posted by: Naes at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (r4dYV)

212 ""And his speech was jst more evidence of what a fine man he is... HOW
could so many so-called "Americans" fall for the JEF??? It's still
unbelievable...""



They're not Americans, they're
scumbags. "American" is an idea, its more than geography. Half the
country hates the tea party, the group that follows the founders
principals. Why? because they're scumbags. The founders ideals are
completely foreign to them, and they also reject them, because they're scumbags.

Don't make the mistake of ever thinking they are Americans. They are communist scumbags that have zero connection to anything American.

Posted by: Berserker at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (FMbng)

213 For my whole family - I am the only conservative - their Christmas presents will be a piece of plastic novelty shit with Obama's face on it, and nothing else..for every Christmas until I'm dead.

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (nuLjn)

214 Four years from now, we'll still be better off than they are in Somalia, or Zimbabwe, or Afghanistan, or North Korea.

Posted by: notropis at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (a3cAT)

215 I woke up with a start with my pulse racing about an hour ago. I can't get back to sleep.

The enormity of what just happened is hitting me.

We're f ucked. We've reached the tipping point.

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (Yhu4q)

216 We are all Greece now, we're all Detroit. Pull back and survive as best you can, take care of your family and your friends.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (r4wIV)

217 This is not the end, it is only the beginning of the end. This rollercoaster is about to plunge like you've never seen before.

Posted by: Cato at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (561wb)

218 172


"I'm probably what you would call a "socially liberal, fiscally conservative"



You might be a wonderful person, but this, my friend, makes no
sense.

Posted by: Texas Ranger at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (IvvrO)
I am, in fact, a wonderful person. That being said, I don't disagree with you. I probably don't technically qualify as such a thing, I just more or less use it as shorthand to describe the fact that fiscal and economic issues move me much more than social issues. Certainly, no left-winger would consider me socially liberal.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (s8XaI)

219 Sadly, the worst is yet to come. As B0 has figured out, congressno longer is relevant and fot the next two years he will simply ignore the House as he has for the last two. The Repbulicans will then lose the House in 2014 and the Dems will be back to a filibuster proof Senate in 2014. What is even worse, is the Dems know this and will change the Senate rules to stop filibuster of judges, and will pack the courts. Basically, we are screwed.

Posted by: Drwho5 at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (UFzyV)

220 Allah saying that NBC saying that Allen West lost?

Oh boy

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (w4fEE)

221 heh. I still want want the t-shirt I ordered from the Romney store. It may provide additional comfort on those cold nights after the Obamageddon.

Posted by: dissent555 at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (yR6A1)

222 Someone in an earlier thread said,

"People aren't buying the product we're offering."

It's fairly hard to compete for customers when the sales pitches are:

Brand D -- Free shit!

Brand R -- Eat your vegetables.

Hell, Greece is absolutely up against the wall economically. They've lost control of their nation. And yet, Greek politics is still all about various flavors of "Free shit!"

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (ymG7s)

223 I blame the Paulbots and assh*le libertarians. Happy now Socialist enablers?

Posted by: meh at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (66rv5)

224 You can't start building a new house until the old one is torn down.

Raze that motherfucker to the ground, any way you can. Pour gasoline on the flames, burn out the roaches.

Once the foundation is exposed you can start over again, but not before.

Posted by: apotheosis at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (xWk3U)

225
Hey trolls!
I guess all we need to do now is to sit back and watch the tsunami full time jobs appear, our health cost go down, balanced budget and deficit reduced.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (1PE/J)

226 187 My wife grew up in a country occupied by the USSR. She is totally and completely crushed by this. They at least were conquered, she says. We? We chose it.
_______________________

Who's "We?"

The scumbags with their hands out are the ones choosing it. You, your wife, and many other people aren't. Don't include yourselves or us in that circle of jerks. You and we are all better than that,

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (fkaOH)

227 I really can't stand seeing all the obamatrons waving American flags and pretending to love America... although it plays right in to their hypocritical little lies...

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (JwW4z)

228 Looking at the Obama celebration on the tube:

The future of the United States has been determined by a bunch of people who could not construct a coherent English sentence if you held a gun to their heads.

Interesting times...

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (n1x7a)

229 No lie. I cried a little. But I cried the last time Obama won, and that was before I knew what kind of a failure he was going to be. I'm moving past the "get sad" and the "get mad" part of things.

I'm into the "get even" stage now. *cracks knuckles* He won the presidency, but that doesn't mean a hill of beans when fifty percent of your citizenry is in open revolt.

People, this is how things like the Tea Party began. Be sad, sure, but be ANGRY too. Obama's a Chicago politician, which means cheating big, and he's about as subtle as a birthday clown. Keep digging. Do NOT lose hope. No matter whether he gets into office again, we will make his life miserable. We will find that vote fraud and hang it around his neck. We will make him eat ashes for every brave man he's left to die. And four years of misgovernment by the Jug-eared King of Fools will make people more angry and determined than ever.

I'm not even twenty-five. Years ago, I promised myself that I'd live to see and celebrate the American tricentennial, and I aim to keep that promise to myself. I have a little brother, a nephew, and two nieces. I'm not going to let them grow up in fucking Greece.

Enough doomsaying. Cinch up your balls! We're the side with all the guns, all the self-reliance, and all the common sense. If Obama drives the country into the ground, we're the ones who'll rebuild. And we're the ones who'll survive to do it, while the gobblers at the public trough wail for help into their manufactured-in-China Obamaphones.

We'll own this yet. Don't lose hope. I aim to keep fighting the SCOAMF until I've got nothing left. I'm already insane, I might as well act like it. Anyone else with me?

Posted by: Rosa E. at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (IKVkI)

230 Well it would be an understatement to say I'm shocked at where we are now. Nothing in the last few weeks of Obama rallies shouted this. I won't scream stolen just acknowledge that we have a big problem in this country.

the shit hits the fan Jan 1 and it only gets worse from there. Can't say much else than take care of your families and yourselves and if you don't have guns yet you better get on it.

Posted by: H Badger at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (kcDs4)

231 I'm so smart, you're all so dumb. BWAHAHAHAHA. I get off by coming here, my baby dick almost gets up to average level when I say "I told you so!!!11!1!"(okay not really average level but kinda close!)

Posted by: Jimmy-Joe at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (/YJYi)

232 BECKONINGCHASM

I know you are there. I'm serious. This is not the time to even be thinking about that. You need to clear your head. It's not clear right now. It's foggy. Foggy is not where we make good decisions. GIVE YOURSELF TIME. Right now everything feels bad for almost all of us. It is even worse for some, probably including you. I have a chronic illness that unpredictably puts me in unbearable pain and painkillers make the illness worse. Do the math. THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE FUCKING CONTEMPLATING ANYTHING. SIT. THINK. TALK TO SOMEONE YOU TRUST. PEOPLE LOVE YOU. SOMEONE DOES. AND YOU PROBABLY LOVE SOMEONE.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (6JMZR)

233 Now that I know there will be 4 more years of bad BO it's time to get all the free shit using all your guys Money that I've been able to apply for for the last 4 years cause fuck it I don't care anymore I'm not gonna bother resisting anymore since a majority of America now believes in voting themselves free shit we're fucked and I see no reason to not enjoy what time's left before the collapse! Thanks and fuck it all! I wonder since you can buy cigaretts with food-stamps if I can buy ammo

Posted by: BillS at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (kD5zU)

234 You assume libertarians votes belong to the GOP.
Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (DXTKe)

Oh, no worries, I'd never make that assumption about a fringe group of backstabbing assholes.

Posted by: troyriser at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (ptcFO)

235 well, we can finally raise taxes on rich so they can pay their fairshare to pay for more teachers.

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:27 AM (Z3ckx)

236 Beckoning fucking STOP. Please someone keep an eye on this. If you know Beckoning, talk to him. This is serious shit.

Beckoning,
people love you. You have value. We're in the shit right now and it
sucks and it's everythign we believe in, but it's not everything.
Everything is not gone. Please.
***********************************


Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 01:23 AM

If Gabe is here, please send an email to BC. I know that Gabe helped out another fellow Moron on the edge

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:27 AM (wwsoB)

237 My fellow cons. Especially those with kids.

Buck up.

Most of us are descended from people who bugged out of and/or prepared for social upheavals in other countries. The survivors. Now it's our turn. You know what's coming. Prepare.

History is about to rhyme like a motherfucker.

Posted by: esch at November 07, 2012 01:27 AM (9XVgh)

238 You can't be serious.. West and Ham lost... I guess obama did better now than 2008... We are so fucked...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:27 AM (9+ccr)

239 Got into an argument with my husband tonight before bed. He asked me how things were going with the election and somehow I ended up finally telling him about the media blackout on Benghazi (he gets all his news from Google news and avoids politics in general). He said everything I told him sounded "fucking crazy" and it went downhill from there. We managed to make up (we always do), but now I can't sleep.

I live in a blue state, my husband leans libertarian but hates politics, and the only friends and family I have in this state are his friends and his family (all super liberal).

I feel so fucking alone right now.

Posted by: not the mama at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (kzCIn)

240
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the
end of the republic" Benjamin Franklin

So no, this ain't surprising.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (8cOY0)

241 **1
Thanks, Krauthammer, for talking me off the ledge. It's not the end of the world. Almost, but not quite.**

no, it is.

we couldn't GOTV, we lost with less voters than2008

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (Z3ckx)

242 @ 208 Yes, and I was called a bigot by another poster for saying it. But it's true. You can't run as a religious creationist extremist and expect to win.. the R Party needs to become more libertarian free-market.

Posted by: the clubfooted unshaven pegleg at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (Q2wni)

243 their Christmas presents will be a piece of plastic novelty shit with
Obama's face on it, and nothing else..for every Christmas until I'm
dead.


That's kinda cool, actually.

My shitbird pinko brother has been trying to get my attention all day for gloating etc. I might skip Christmas. Can't afford gas anyway.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (hO8IJ)

244 Yeah, I don't care about "politics" anymore.

I do care about exposing fraud, and seeing it punished, whether it's "rotten boroughs" in Illinois or Pennsylvania, or MFM outlets who shill, lie, and cover.

I think that's my single issue now.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (bxiXv)

245 There isnt anything left,is there.

The Kenya FUCKHEAD can declare whatever he wants now.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (i0App)

246 Four years from now, we'll still be better off than they are in Somalia, or Zimbabwe, or Afghanistan, or North Korea.

But they have hope of getting better, and started from far worse a position. Seeing Leonardo DaVinci's mind decay into imbecility is far worse than watching Matt Damon do so.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:29 AM (r4wIV)

247 You can't run as a religious creationist extremist

You know this didn't actually happen outside your meth-addled mind, right?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 01:29 AM (hO8IJ)

248 Another thing we need to do:

WIN THE LANGUAGE WAR!

Our opponents are NOT liberal. They are leftists, statists and socialists. There are plenty of other examples, but I am too self medicated to think too hard.

Nov. 7 = time to clean up the GOP, our message, and out leaders.

Economy, sustainable govt, stop govt. corruption, natl. defense. 4 to focus on.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 01:29 AM (9bWs4)

249 Romney was a great man and a good candidate. He didn't deserve this. Fuck you, parasites.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:29 AM (JycCV)

250 Perhaps people realized what Romney would have to do.

Government cuts. Where is it the easiest and the pain is spread out so that the response is diffuse?

Not corporate welfare, plus they've got the lobbyists and know where the body's are buried.

Not the military (for the most part because Reps don't cut military) that too affects concentrated industries, populations and have large lobbyists.

Not the give away's (actually rebates) to the states for doing what the Gov't has demanded they do.

None of the special projects and set asides promised for reciprocation on bills passed.

So where's it going to come from?

Example; here in PA. Republican Corbett won governorship. He made deals with the unions (they got to keep their goodies and he got the peace he needed to get going). so where did he cut? Cut welfare and cut medicaid. I'm not arguing for or against it. I'm just explaining the realities.

The first thing Romney would've had to do is make deals so his agenda (or some of it) would pass. Where could he find money to cut that would spread the pain? Welfare, medicaid, social Security and medicare. They're the largest programs the most easily surgically sliced and those who depend on those programs know it.

It was baked in the cake that that's what would've happened. It'll still happen now but it'll be distorted and obfuscated by the Govt' Press (GP) so Obama will not be blamed. they'll blame it on . . Republicans.

It'll take about 12 months for the reaction to this election to be completely revealed. There may be other shocks we don't know about no that he's more flexible.

Fasten your seat belts. We're in for a bumpy ride.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:29 AM (SP4jC)

251
I always thought Dave_in_Fla always had unrealistically high probabilities for the Senate races, but they were not completely out of line. He had some races as 100% win, who have lost.

I had more conservative probabilites. There were 15 competitive races, and I was just going by polls, although they were somewhat out-of-date. So far, we have lost at least 9 of those 15. I had the odds of doing this bad or worse in the Senate as less than 5%.

Something VERY, VERY strange is going on here.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (Mxt9o)

252
208
Yes, this chart clearly shows the young voters natural allegiance to libertarianism.
http://tinyurl.com/csno2jy

Posted by: reality at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (aED3v)

253 @225

You nailed it! These people were always Democrats just smart enough to know that they shouldn't be saying they vote Democrat, but when the chips are on the Table.....

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (uvNSk)

254 The MSM needs to die.

There will never be another Republican president until that happens. They have too much power over the stupid, low information voters that decide the election.

Posted by: Justin at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (yoAYX)

255 I feel so fucking alone right now.
Posted by: not the mama at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (kzCIn)


{{hugs}}

We get it. We all had that moment.

Hell, the whole damned country just had that moment, and the truth is fucking crazy.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (bxiXv)

256 with 81% in, Mia Love is losing by .3%.

Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (HYD/Y)

257 Go Galt. Be William Wallace.

Posted by: Marilyn Merlot at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (TOQ8M)

258 the R Party needs to become more libertarian free-market.

And lose to the socialist guy who says he'll give away the most and lies with the media about what you really believe and want to do.

It doesn't even matter any more. There's no rebranding, no building back from this. Its over.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (r4wIV)

259 Well maybe now the media will be forced to cover the enormity of the disaster in NJ and Staten Island and get them some help

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (Yhu4q)

260 218
We are all Greece now, we're all Detroit. Pull back and survive as best you can, take care of your family and your friends.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (r4wIV)
----
That's where I'm at, bro. I'm taking care of me and my own, and to hell with the rest of you people. I don't mean you guys here; I wish all of you the best. But I'm focusing on me and my own from here on out.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (s8XaI)

261 RIGGED!

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (uvNSk)

262 258
with 81% in, Mia Love is losing by .3%.


Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (HYD

I mean WTF? In Fucking Utah.. We are soooooo screwed..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (9+ccr)

263 @ 208 Yes, and I was called a bigot by another poster for saying it. But it's true. You can't run as a religious creationist extremist and expect to win.. the R Party needs to become more libertarian free-market.

-------

Yea, no.

The libertarians have fooled themselves into think that you just got rid of the social issues, people would flock to the small government types. Wrong. America just decided tonight that it LOVES big government. The Libertarians, if given a bright enough stage, would get laughed out of the fucking arena when they started talking about government's role in the economy and social welfare. They think that by just saying "legalize marijuana" that people will come running and ignore the rest. But it won't. Country is socialist now. It's sad but true.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (arczc)

264 no,the religious bigots stayed home. The evangels stayed home. Fuck em.

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (Z3ckx)

265 Stop with the "Libertarians cost us the election" nonsense. Each and every state that Obama won he has a margin larger than the Libertarian vote. Even giving every Libertarian vote to Romney, Obama still wins Ohio, Virginia, and Florida.

Posted by: Angusmc at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (I5ebA)

266 Tocqueville was fu*king prophet.
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."

Posted by: CMS at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (eNIk8)

267 So, it looks like the Mayans' calculations were off by, what? 45 days?

I just can't believe I have lived to see this day. Does anyone else feel this pervasive sense of unreality?

Posted by: Littlemary at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (U3+hj)

268 May be time to turnAoS into a "survival blog"....hunting tips, how to prepare rats and pidgeons, collecting fresh water, spotting starving liberals pretending to be conservatives, etc.

I joke...but not really.

Posted by: Icedog at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (PTS+l)

269 "Something VERY, VERY strange is going on here."

was black turnout really higher than in 2008?

if black turnout proportions being commensurate with other races' is part of The New Normal, it bodes very ill for the future of republican electoral results...

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (79EF9)

270 @261

Fuck Them

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (uvNSk)

271 I will go to work tomorrow.

I will go fishing on Saturday.

I will go to the range on Sunday.

I will pack for my yearly hunting trip.

I will love my family and friends.

I conceed nothing.

The beat goes on.

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (DU15A)

272 I got a bad, sinking feeling during the debates when CNN's dials kept going up for whoever promised the most free shit.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (JycCV)

273 "Starve the beast. Cut out Comcast and stop all TV. All. If millions of
Americans turned off TV and quit patronizing the outfits that employ
these liars maybe some progress could be made. I plan to shut down
Comcast tomorrow after seeing this media locust idiocy at the Romney HQ.
... Quit TV. Quit
buying productsfrom outfits that help employ the scum in the media. This
screws Hollywood, media, corrupt corporation enablers and other
suspects."

As I have in fact been modestly suggesting be done for a while now.

Go off the grid when it comes to Big Media. Start creating your own alternatives with the Internet, but do NOT consume Big Media's news, or sports, or movies, or music. Seriously. Do not give the ratfuckers a penny. It'll be the best quit-decision you'll have ever made. Good for your mind, your body and your finances.

Seriously, and this is meant for many of the regulars here, will your life as a grown-up adult come to an end if you (for instance) never see another _Star Wars_ movie again? If that's the case, are you in fact really a grown-up adult or just an arrested adolescent with subadult tastes? Hard words. Meant to be.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (ymG7s)

274 Not to get all religious on everyone now, but while on the cross, Jesus said; "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (wwsoB)

275 215
For my whole family - I am the only conservative - their Christmas
presents will be a piece of plastic novelty shit with Obama's face on
it, and nothing else..for every Christmas until I'm dead.




Yep. This. I'm with you. Also, since my family works for the federal government and travels to the ME quite a bit, I'll add some Libyan memorabilia to remind them what might happen to them in an American embassy over there. Pray it doesn't happen, but they are just asking for it.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (/Rruc)

276 Okay Mia L ove, and Tommy Thompson had leads... WTF happened? Something is wrong here...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (9+ccr)

277 Palin/Susanna Martinez 2016...Call that ticket anti woman and anti Hispanic!

Posted by: Dan at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (/7gN/)

278 Being more free market, sadly, would not have won us any more votes.

Not sure if you've noticed, but we've imported tens of millions of people from socialist countries.

Recent opinion polls show that young people in their 20s now have more positive views of socialism than capitalism.

The free market is simply no longer popular.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (ZPrif)

279 Democracy sucks a lot of the time.

Churchill beat the damn Nazis (by himself until 1941) and got voted out a month after VE Day.

The problem for me, not learning a second language, is that there is not English speaking country less socialist than an Obama-led USA

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (w4fEE)

280 The Dems have a permanent demographic majority of parasitic scum. Stop pretending we will ever compete for blacks or Hispanics. We should be opening abortion clinics in minority-majority areas to play the long game.

Posted by: Naes at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (r4dYV)

281
A handful of random comments -
To all those blaming Romney - you're way off base. It's not Romney's fault. It's the voting population. In a perfect world,a coma victim should have been able to beat Obama with the record he's got. The problem wasn't Romney. It's that too many Americans aren't willing to open their eyes to the dire straits that the country is in.
Anyone who voted for Johnson - Sorry, but you screwed up. There's a time to stand on principle. But there's also a time to recognize that there's too much at stake for that luxury. This was one of those times.
Now that Obama'sgot four more years...
Obamacare - We're never going to get rid of it. Four years will give it the same permanence as Social Security and Medicare, despite the fact that a majority of the population doesn't like it.
Supreme Court - Obama gets to pick a bunch of new justices. Conservatives often have trouble finding justices that stay conservative. The only question with justices that liberals appoint seems to be how far off the deep end those justices go. The court was barely in balance during Obama's first term. It's going to tilt heavily to the left now, and it's going to be at least anothertwenty years before we can fix it.
I'm wondering how the markets will respond tomorrow.

Posted by: junior at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (Qe0cl)

282 269
So, it looks like the Mayans' calculations were off by, what? 45 days?



I just can't believe I have lived to see this day. Does anyone else feel this pervasive sense of unreality?

Posted by: Littlemary at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (U3+hj)

Yep - seems like up is down, right is left, and the dems and MSM can lie all day long and twice on Sundays and at least half the country believes every word they say. I don't recognize this America, sadly

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (JwW4z)

283 It's not a nightmare. This happened.

Shit, man, I want outta this.

Posted by: Freddy Krueger at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (hO9ad)

284 These guys on Fox who keep saying, "Obama is going to have to reach out to the other side" must be HIGH. Where the hell have they BEEN the last 4 years? How can they not know who they are talking about?!?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (Mxt9o)

285 I don't know why I'm still up, I can barely move. But I feel that once I go to sleep I will wake up to a world I simply do not want to live in.


Think about how Barack Obama just won this election. He did not campaign on a single policy idea or plan. He gave no great speech on economic policy, foreign policy. His wave at a plan at the end was a joke. He gave interviews to ladies chat shows, local goofball radio hosts, but only once to 60 Minutes and he never had single press conference in the entire campaign. He campaigned almost exclusively on college campuses. We all rightly ridiculed all of this and believed that it was not the behavior of a winning candidate.


But he won.


This country is just fundamentally unserious. It has twice elected an unserious man, the second time after the most unserious campaign that is humanly possible.


Now tell me why I should waste any more of my time and treasure trying to save this junk food Honey Boo-Boo Jersey Shore nation.


I'm done. I'm going to sell my house, sell everything I can, reduce my income and my expenses, and save as much as I can for what will certainly be a meager and miserable retirement.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (qe2/V)

286 241 Got into an argument with my husband tonight before bed. He asked me how things were going with the election and somehow I ended up finally telling him about the media blackout on Benghazi (he gets all his news from Google news and avoids politics in general). He said everything I told him sounded "fucking crazy" and it went downhill from there. We managed to make up (we always do), but now I can't sleep.

I live in a blue state, my husband leans libertarian but hates politics, and the only friends and family I have in this state are his friends and his family (all super liberal).

I feel so fucking alone right now.
Posted by: not the mama at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (kzCIn)

___________________

*Ugh*

Be strong--on e of these days The Truth will win.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (r2PLg)

287 You know this didn't actually happen outside your meth-addled mind, right?

Like ace, they're just looking for someone to blame for their hurt. They're looking in the wrong places. The blame is the American people. Its not social conservatism or a lack of libertarianism, or Akin or the hurricane or Christie. Its the voters. They chose what they wanted, and what they wanted is death.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (r4wIV)

288 It doesn't matter anymore enough people have realized they can vote themselves free shit that outside of a major fuck up that the liberal media can't cover up America is doomed and now heading for the cliff at full speed ahead and the captain is asking for more speed and we have Scotty in engineering

Posted by: BillS at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (kD5zU)

289 There could not have been a greater contrast or a starker choice in candidates, or in men. Thank you, Mitt.

Posted by: t-bird at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (FcR7P)

290 Yea the perpetually single libertarians are really going to help us close that gender gap especially when it is marriage which blows away all other variables in correlating to female identification with the Repulican party. Look the Republican Party isn't a dating service, it you feel like the social cons are keeping you from landing that 3AM "4" you are welcome to leave the party. We evangelicals will just keep getting married and having kids.

Posted by: Sam Haysom at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (kQl8p)

291
"... It's not a nightmare. This happened."


Actually, it's both.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (Mxt9o)

292 Being more free market, sadly, would not have won us any more votes.

Not sure if you've noticed, but we've imported tens of millions of people from socialist countries.

Recent opinion polls show that young people in their 20s now have more positive views of socialism than capitalism.

The free market is simply no longer popular.

-------

This. Libertarians have themselves convinced that if you just removed those pesky social issues, Americans would come running into the arms of the pro free market, pro individual liberty guys.

They just told you tonight they wouldn't. They won't ever. There are too many out there who now rely on the government to give them shit. A libertarian telling them he's going to take all of that shit away is not going to appeal at all.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (arczc)

293 Yes, this chart clearly shows the young voters natural allegiance to libertarianism.
http://tinyurl.com/csno2jy

Posted by: reality at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM

They never get the part where "paying for it" comes in

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (wwsoB)

294 "we couldn't GOTV, we lost with less voters than2008"

Yes we did. I'm sure all those that felt strongly in stopping the leftist agenda facing us, all those that align themselves with conservative ideology voted. We are a minority and getting smaller. We no longer have the numbers in people that think like us. That's what this election should bring home.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (GZitp)

295 273
And in 2 years I will convince myself we're winning...

No, we aren't winning. It's survive as long as you can, but standards of living are going south. Nothing can be done about that.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (QBSp1)

296 >>> Thanks, Krauthammer, for talking me off the ledge. It's not the end of the world. Almost, but not quite.

Well he's a psychiatrist. It's his job to lie to people about shit like that.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (SKX2R)

297 The media? Lies? Sure. But who buys them? Who is addicted to lies, in every way, in every form?

Obama's people. Everyone knew Blacks would vote for him same as 2008. Hispanics too. But the ground fought over was women, Sandra Fluke.

She won it for Obama. And women are ADDICTED to lies. They have to be, and lets face it, GWB was the last White President this nation will ever see.

Obama is not smart. Not very gifted. Not very persuasive. His own people tune him out. Romney ran a tough, smart campaign on the economy, nothing else, and LOST. Why?

Because White women don't care about that, they care about the sexiness, the fun, the excitement of a Black President. Simple as that. They handed Obama the Presidency as I suspected they would.

Posted by: whiskey at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (L03mw)

298 "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do"



Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (wwsoB)]/i]
And that's why He was a much better "Man" than I will ever be.

Posted by: Adam at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (/YJYi)

299 Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (qe2/V)

Don't bank.... convert to Gold... the dollar is going to tank, and you will not be getting enough interest on ANY account to counteract inflation.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (lZBBB)

Posted by: Adam at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (/YJYi)

301 @ 208 Yes, and I was called a bigot by another poster for saying it. But it's true. You can't run as a religious creationist extremist and expect to win.. the R Party needs to become more libertarian free-market.
Posted by: the clubfooted unshaven pegleg at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (Q2wni)

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD...

THE ELECTORATE VOTED AGAINST A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE FOR A FISCAL LIBERAL.

Posted by: Nate at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (BBlzg)

302 The Democrats have been trying to relive The Great Depression for my entire life... now it looks like they have succeeded

Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (MAhUT)

303 Look in the mirror. Look hard. You are looking at the person responsible for this result. We are to blame because we enable them. We play by their rules in their system even though we know it is destroying the country and ourselves. We are like Hank Rearden thinking we can overcome all the stupidity if we just work a little harder. If we just fight a little more. But sooner or later, Atlas will Shrug. The weight will become too much.

That time is now. We must stop playing by their rules within their system. Time to let the system collapse. It’s the only way.

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (FVp26)

304 Now tell me why I should waste any more of my time and treasure trying to save this junk food Honey Boo-Boo Jersey Shore nation.

You shouldn't. Write it off. Work local, work for your family, your neighbors. Write off the rest of the nation. It chose its path, save who you can and weather the storm that comes.

If you thought the economy was bad before...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (r4wIV)

305 "If lust and hate is our candy,

if blood and love tastes so sweet,
well then, give us what we want.



So our eyes are growing hazy 'cos we wanna turn

it on,

so our minds are soft and lazy.



Well... who next can we blame?"

Posted by: 10,000 demoniacs at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (z6KMg)

306 Welcome to IDIOCRACY NOW! It's the end my friend.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (ypzqs)

307 obama won, nothing will change. We got slaughtered. If we had at least won back the senate, then ok. But no.

Give them everything. Welcome to Great Depression 2.0

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (Z3ckx)

308 286
These guys on Fox who keep saying, "Obama is going to have to reach out
to the other side" must be HIGH. Where the hell have they BEEN the last 4
years? How can they not know who they are talking about?!?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (Mxt9o)


He won, why would he have to do anything? Hello 6oo pages of EPA regulations... The only good thing for Romney is he can go home to his family and not have to worry about this shitty Country...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (9+ccr)

309 Agree on the starve the beast strategy. Look at how you spend your money. Are you giving money to 1) Big Media or 2) Academia.

Then stop. Give your money first to right-wing media if you can. Or just to neutral companies.

90% of your Comcast bill is going to fund leftist writers, directors, producers and actors.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (ZPrif)

310 "That's where I'm at, bro. I'm taking care of me and
my own, and to hell with the rest of you people. I don't mean you guys
here; I wish all of you the best. But I'm focusing on me and my own from
here on out.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (s8XaI)"There is no "me and my own".
You are all part of "Obama's stash" until you get him and people like him the fuck out of public office.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (P2Ufm)

311 Save the recriminations for another day. If we had eked out a win, the Democrats would be in disarray, soul-searching, etc. These idiots on ABC are pontificating about how we need to be more pro-choice, pander to blacks, endorse gay marriage, etc. They're such shallow dolts. Giddy shallow dolts. George Will put up his world-weary defense to the extent he could muster. That's not good enough.

It wasn't just that the demographics were against us - though the GOP obviously needs to break the ascendant liberal monopoly on minorities. Every Democratic vote we take = 2 vote advantage for us. So we have to try. Searching for an amorphous group of independents is not the way to go. We continue to hope that the blacks, hispanics, and youth are just gonna see how nice and right we are. Meanwhile our opponents call us evil.

We need to fight in the dirt, make the Democratic Party the party of failure (because it is) when it comes to blacks and hispanics, women, and the young. The Democratic Party is the failure. But we have not successfully tailored our message to those groups. That's not petty, it's smart. We NEED to co-opt immigration reform (it helped Bush and McCain), we need to take a forceful position AS A PARTY against abortion (and convey it with compassion), what we need is an enormous backbone and fearlessness. The problem is less our message and more our coherency when expressing that message.

Posted by: Crispian at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (uBMtY)

312 285
I don't know why I'm still up, I can barely move. But I feel that once I
go to sleep I will wake up to a world I simply do not want to live in.





Think about how Barack Obama just won this election. He did not
campaign on a single policy idea or plan. He gave no great speech on
economic policy, foreign policy. His wave at a plan at the end was a
joke. He gave interviews to ladies chat shows, local goofball radio
hosts, but only once to 60 Minutes and he never had single press
conference in the entire campaign. He campaigned almost exclusively on
college campuses. We all rightly ridiculed all of this and believed
that it was not the behavior of a winning candidate.





But he won.





This country is just fundamentally unserious. It has twice elected
an unserious man, the second time after the most unserious campaign that
is humanly possible.





Now tell me why I should waste any more of my time and treasure trying to save this junk food Honey Boo-Boo Jersey Shore nation.





I'm done. I'm going to sell my house, sell everything I can, reduce
my income and my expenses, and save as much as I can for what will
certainly be a meager and miserable retirement.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (qe2/V)

The triumph of our piss-poor government education system...

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (JwW4z)

313 I'm gonna be honest and flame a lot of you.

George W. Bush was a miserable failure on as much of a level as Obama.

The country's electorate has not made a serious and sober choice for president since 1988. Clinton, GWB, and Obama have been disgraceful to the office in their own ways.

First trio to win 2 terms since Jefferson-Madison-Monroe. Absurd

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (w4fEE)

314 Here's some good news: Denny's has introduced a Hobbit-themed menu. I think I'll drown my tears tomorrow in the one-onion ring burger.

Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (HYD/Y)

315 Because White women don't care about that, they care about the sexiness, the fun, the excitement of a Black President. Simple as that. They handed Obama the Presidency as I suspected they would.
Posted by: whiskey at November 07, 2012 01:35 AM (L03mw)

________________

53% of White women voted for McCain last time.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (r2PLg)

316 Not the mama, I'm so sorry to hear that. I have no words to say other than it sucks.

The only thing keeping me from heading down as cliff is knowing that my husband would be heartbroken if I did anything stupid. But I don't like how these thoughts keep whispering in my head. I can't sleep and dint want to face tomorrow. I'm so scared.

Posted by: Freemo at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (JLlNK)

317
"287... The blame is the American people. Its not social conservatism or a lack of libertarianism, or Akin or the hurricane or Christie. Its the voters. They chose what they wanted, and what they wanted is death."

Right, as usual, sir. Let's blame the murderer, not the guy who made the gun, or the other guy who talked him into it. In the end, he had a choice, and it was he who pulled the trigger.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (Mxt9o)

318 "Wrong. America just decided tonight that it LOVES big government."

Then why didn't Obama campaign for it? 2008 was a blank slate and here in 2012 he went hard for the middle, especially late. Remember him talking up oil?

The problem with the GOP is it is losing the language war, and therefore the message is not fully effective.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (9bWs4)

319 Morons, be prepared to commit a lot of passive resistance. Play dumb about bureaucratic tyranny. go bartering or cash-and-carry. Take your business off the grid. Keep a low profile, and stall anyone "working" for the government. This is how we ride it out.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (jKE+Z)

320 For the Record.... this conclusivly prooves that Mitt Romneys statement about 47% of people being leaches is incorrect...

Its apparently MORE than 47%....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (lZBBB)

321 Oh nice. 'F*ck White People' trending on twitter.

Well, blacks just voted themselves more unemployment so they should get their jollies now.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (PHb2k)

322 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse said "Romney being such a good guy makes it hurt that much more."


I fully agree. He's just an amazing man, reminiscent of a past time when people had strong character and values.

He really ran a great campaign, he fought his ass off unlike McCain. Romney's margins in the non-minority demographics were the same as Reagan 1980's landslide. The country has changed.

Shit, he put Medicare on the table and fought that issue which is usually toxic to the tune of 20% to a virtual draw -- that's like John Lehman's naval strategy under Regan to drive a Carrier Battle Group right up into the Barents Sea and fight the Russians in their own backyard. It's honestly impressive.

Obama can go fuck himself, he's half the man Mr. Romney has been in life.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (jhI6f)

323
Mitt gave it his best shot.
Just to many low information voters.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 07, 2012 01:38 AM (1PE/J)

324 288
It doesn't matter anymore enough people have realized they can vote
themselves free shit that outside of a major fuck up that the liberal
media can't cover up America is doomed and now heading for the cliff at
full speed ahead and the captain is asking for more speed and we have
Scotty in engineering

Posted by: BillS at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM

From ZH;

Today’s election is merely a choice of who is going to captain the sinking Titanic.

http://tinyurl.com/aqt5h8e

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:38 AM (wwsoB)

325 We have passed the tipping point where the parasites control the process. Our only choice is a Producers' Strike.

Stop buying anything you do not absolutely have to. Invest in as much self-sufficiency as you can afford. And ammunition.

The recession coming next year to the entire world will dwarf the 2008 dip in both depth and duration. Hunker down.

Unfortunately, this was our last chance for a low-pain structuring. Now it will all collapse and have to be rebuilt almost from scratch.

Posted by: Adjoran at November 07, 2012 01:38 AM (ZHQvg)

326
Tucker Carlson declared the death of modern major media recently.

It turns out that major media are instead our masters.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:38 AM (Mxt9o)

327 Fuck America. I mean that seriously. I will work to help my friends and family. And organizations that share my values.

But America is dead to me. It doesn't share my values. Fuck it. Put it on the trash heap of history.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:38 AM (ZPrif)

328 Am I on stormfront?

Posted by: Mega at November 07, 2012 01:38 AM (idyso)

329 Like I said before the election, we are so screwed that we are well past the point of no return no matter who wins. Better to let Obama preside over what is about to happen than tarnish a decent guy like Mitt with it.

But we need to start thinking about what comes after the United States. It is clear we are done as a nation.

Even if we get the Republican governors to start forcing teachers to teach our foundational principles and even if we make the long march through academia and the news media it is too late to resurrect the dream. The numbers are too big and this has gone on too long. The original version of America is dead. The revenge Obama was talking about was against the US and all it once stood for.

It is clear that we are going to have to start over now because there is no way "forward." The only question is when and how?

Posted by: Voluble at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (qYvEa)

330 Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (ymG7s)


I cut the cord the day after the JEF won in 2008. I knew that we'd be bombarded by his bullshit and the MFM (BIRM) incessantly.

As far as Hollywood and "traditional media" are concerned, I've been an un-person for four years.

Haven't missed a picosecond of it at all. I get all I need to know and want to see from the Internet, on MY terms, not the Media.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (pR0/y)

331 323

Mitt gave it his best shot.
Just to many low information voters.


Posted by: YIKES! at November 07, 2012 01:


Yep... Give me,give me, give me...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (9+ccr)

332
"The task of perfecting our Union moves forward"


Holy fucking shit...

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (Mxt9o)

333 with 81% in, Mia Love is losing by .3%.

If Mia don't win, Ima start a riot. What that? Oh, right. If dat traitor bitch wins, Ima start a riot.

Posted by: Twitterers at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (YxaXw)

334 You have to End the Republican Party...there is no other option.

Why?

Because your never gonna to be able to show a Democrat voter what he is voting for until he lives it.

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (uvNSk)

335 The problem with the GOP is it is losing the language war, and therefore the message is not fully effective.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (9bWs4)

________________

Perhaps but it might be more correct to say--we are losing The Language Battle--in the Media War.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (r2PLg)

336 We have an opportunity here to restore Congress (and especially the House) to its rightful preeminent place. I suggest we take it.

The Supreme Court will of course be lost beyond repair, for the Senate GOP will cave on Obama picks instead of realizing that in the Englush language, as opposed to the Senate language, "consent" does not equal "defer". Well, who wanted to repair it, anyway? Not me. It will be a problem issue in getting acceptance of reform, for the left would not normally give it up.

Normally.

The states also need to get more obstreperous.

We have taken a loss, no doubt. But we are not done yet. Resolute determination and defiance are the calls of the day. The popular vote is extremely close, and we have a history of revolution as legitimate history in this country. Mr. Obama does as he will at his peril.

Fight.

Posted by: A. at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (kjTzB)

337 OMG - this is f*%$ing unbelievable....

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (JwW4z)

338 "We must stop playing by their rules within their system. Time to let the system collapse. It’s the only way.

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (FVp26)"I keep saying that secession is the only answer. Let them figure out themselves how they are going to pay for their socialism.As it is now, the Left steals your money from you, gives it to the underclass and says that they only reason the underclass can't have more is because you are too greedy.All the while, the Tim Geithner's and Charles Rangels of the world pay no tax.If that doesn't piss you off and put you in a killing rage, nothing will.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (P2Ufm)

339 "There is no "me and my own".
You are all part of "Obama's stash" until you get him and people like him the fuck out of public office.


Its too late for that. We've passed that point. You don't seem to get it. There's no getting guys like him out of office now. Its just going to be a string of guys just like him, over and over, as the nation crumbles.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (r4wIV)

340 Here we go. The guy that claimed he was born in Kenya says he will finish the transformation of America.






Isaiah was right.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (+paCV)

341 second look at succession?

Posted by: razor419 at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (68i8t)

342 "I am Barackus of Borg. Resistance if Futile."

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (JycCV)

343 I was not a Romney fan. He was pretty much my last choice. Ryan's selection soothed the blow.

Having said that, it was not Romney's fault for losing. It is America's fault for failing the test of rationality and selecting a failure. Romney is a fine and decent man. He was a very successful man in multiple endeavors. He also was as moderate as can be in order to appeal to them so that he could win an election. Hell, the guy is a moderate from a NE bastion of Democrats/Progressives. He, politically, was the ideal to bridge the traditional gap of base to undecideds. And still he lost. To THE SCoaMF.

Romney/Ryan didn't fuck up. America did. Again. No one to blame but the American voter.

Idiocracy writ large. There's just no way to find a silver lining here for it isn't the people who are up for election that matter anymore; it's the foolishness of Americans to not demand more and better. We've turned into infants and imbeciles.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (eHIJJ)

344 Just been lurking and reading comments on the voting/electorate threads and I just wanted to say - Ace, hang in there. You've got a great blog, wonderful co-bloggers and an incredible Horde. And you're not so bad yourself. ~_^

mac :]

Posted by: macbrooks at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (Kcjfs)

345 The country has changed. I'm a libertarian but I don't think it came down to the social issues. Sure there was vagina talk, but mitt didnt press the abortion issue. He was saddled with it because he was GOP. GOP lost because they aren't the party of redistribution.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (DXTKe)

346 BeckoningChasm: if your serious, don't. It's not worth it. You eliminate all possibility of better times at a future date.

Take it from me, if you're looking at a chasm, me at 66 is standing at the edge. Yet I will soldier through and try to find some small amount of satisfaction and amusement on the way.

I may not live to see another Presidential election. What will be may be my last days on earth. Yet I look forward somehow to the challenge. Like challenges I've faced and met all my life. Some I've won, most I've lost but it's been interesting and I don't think I would change any of it. (well some of it)

I wouldn't be the person I am today without the life I've led. And I'm proud of some of what I've done and accomplished.

If you're an artist then you should realize that most artists do their best work during adversity and difficulties.

Embrace what comes. What's the worst that could happen? You can decide to leave any time. Why give the bastards the opportunity to gloat over your absence?

Stay and make your success or at least your existence in spite of what happens your best revenge.

Walking away won't make things better for you or others. You do have others who depend on you or would miss you don't you?

If so, you're lucky. all my family is gone and circumstances didn't allow me the opportunity to build one.

So build one for yourself and the future. Make that your goal and target to take away from this horribly disappointing day.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (SP4jC)

347 YIKES! said: Mitt gave it his best shot.
Just to many low information voters.


They have some information, enough to vote in their own self-interest. Welcome to the welfare state.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (jhI6f)

348 So how does one sleep with this ugly feeling in ones gut. Do like one did 4 years ago and dream of the McCain Presidency but this time dream of the Romney Presidency. And who wonderful it could have been.Well one can only dream and then when one wakes up that is when the nightmare and ugly feeling returns.



Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (Ea64Y)

349 **with 81% in, Mia Love is losing by .3%.
Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (HYD/Y)**Something is VERY wrong. She was leading by at least 15% IIRC.Something is really, really wrong tonight.

Posted by: misty at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (2crn8)

350 341
second look at succession?

Could be... Fuck that piece of shit... Where is the rest of America?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (9+ccr)

351 without endorsing Akin or Mourdock, who obviously deserved their criticism (though Mourdock less,) this idea that the GOP's loss was due entirely to SoCons is something that has to be resisted over the next days

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (8HhF2)

352 Now I am listening to Teh JEF and his stupid victory speech. We are well and truly fucked. He is turning on his shuck and jive happy negro act. I hate this motherfucker. I really do.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (jucos)

353 341 second look at succession?

Normally, I dismiss this a crazy talk. But how the hell can this country go on when half of it disagrees with our current path, and the other half (in power) doesn't give a fuck?

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (JycCV)

354 Erick at Redstate was right when he Insisted months ago that Romney could not beat Obama. Romney's wealth was more of a factor than we realized. There is a lot of irrational envy out there towards people who have money. Obama played this card well.

Posted by: Helen at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (93bH6)

355 This is my country, and I have not yet begun to fight. If it survived four terms of FDR, it can survive this.

But New York and New Jersey? Fuck you. I hope the nor'easter destroys you. You want aid? Ask Obama. I gave at the office.

You.chose.poorly.

Go Israel! Shwack Iran! The free people of the US are behind you!

Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (g7D8V)

356 Well look at the bright side there will be not riots in the streets.And no one will die from the Romney Riot or so the history books would have said. The Obama second term many will die that will not be recorded in the history books though.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (Ea64Y)

357 Well said 343.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (DXTKe)

358 Morons, be prepared to commit a lot of passive resistance. Play dumb
about bureaucratic tyranny. go bartering or cash-and-carry. Take your
business off the grid. Keep a low profile, and stall anyone "working"
for the government. This is how we ride it out.




The IRS can't track ALL cash transactions. Starve the fkn beast. Go Galt.

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (/Rruc)

359 Erick at Redstate was right when he Insisted months ago that Romney could not beat Obama. Romney's wealth was more of a factor than we realized. There is a lot of irrational envy out there towards people who have money. Obama played this card well.

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So we should nominate people that aren't wealthy now? I mean, if that's the case the country was lost anyway.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (arczc)

360 They aren't *low-information voters*, they're *negative-information voters*.

It's not what they don't know, it's what they think they know that isn't so.

Like where all the fucking money is supposed to come from.

Basically the single earner in the family just got home to discover everyone else in the house just bought a car.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (bxiXv)

361 Its too late for that. We've passed that point. You don't seem to get it. There's no getting guys like him out of office now. Its just going to be a string of guys just like him, over and over, as the nation crumbles.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor



This!

Listen to Barry's speech and learn.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (+paCV)

362 Yeah big WHAT THE FUCK to anyone indulging the fantasy that Santorum or Newt would have done better than Romney.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (tUcg9)

363 I think I may puke....

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (JwW4z)

364 Ever have a nightmare that you wake up from and realize its just a nightmare...then you fall asleep and the same nightmare comes back. And again. And again? That's what this is feeling like to me.

I see a long four more years ahead, then an electorate that demographically grows more and more apart from the free country we were. A more dependent electorate. Maybe four or eight years of Hillary after that. Obama outperformed many of the D+ polls we refused to believe. Imagine how big his margin of victory would have been without his disastrous first debate. It's depressing...the reality is most of the people in this country are just fine giving up on what was the greatest political experiment in history in exchange for imagined government provided comforts.

Posted by: MostlyRight at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (ZG8Ti)

365 I am done.

Posted by: Tasmaniac at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (X2M6S)

366 241 Got into an argument with my husband tonight before bed. He asked me how things were going with the election and somehow I ended up finally telling him about the media blackout on Benghazi (he gets all his news from Google news and avoids politics in general). He said everything I told him sounded "fucking crazy" and it went downhill from there. We managed to make up (we always do), but now I can't sleep. I live in a blue state, my husband leans libertarian but hates politics, and the only friends and family I have in this state are his friends and his family (all super liberal). I feel so fucking alone right now.

______________________________

I hear you, mama.

My husband had made a nice dinner opened a bottle of wine, and we got into an argument over this election too. He wanted to watch CNN Fox's returns tonight, and I was sucha nervous wreck I told him no.He went off to bed and it all went downhill from there.

My father died last year; he was my political buddy, and hated the "Marxist in the White House" with the heat of a thousand suns.


The fallout fromDad's death included the destruction of the relationships with my six siblings.


My daughter has gone full libtard in Massachusetts with her lefty husband, and my son was so eeyorish on theelectionthis afternoon I couldn't talk too muchwith him about it, because my nerves couldn't take it.


My best friend is Canadian, but not political.


And my country is circling the drain.


So I'm feeling very alone tonight too. Thank God for my faithful little Yorkie and this smart military blog.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (fkaOH)

367 BeckoningChasm,

I have an email out to you. Please check.

I need to slap you. A battle is lost; the war goes on.


Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (LCRYB)

368 Barackus of Borg: "We will add our ideological and financial distinctiveness to our own. You will adapt to service the 47%. Resistance is futile."

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (JycCV)

369 Going Galt and off the grid! Enjoy paying Fauxbama's taxes suckers!

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (ypzqs)

370 The American Dream died like John Lennon. Shot in the Back by some Psycho who wants to feel important at the expense on an entire civilization.

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:44 AM (uvNSk)

371 This is one of the only instances when an incumbent won reelection with a diminished margin. I don't know if that means anything.

Posted by: Naes at November 07, 2012 01:44 AM (r4dYV)

372 And Ohio and Pennsylvania? Fuck you, too. When the SCOAMT destroys your coal industry, don't bitch. He's YOUR messiah.

Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2012 01:44 AM (g7D8V)

373 Well, interest rates will continue to be held artificially down....good for me being that Im already paying nothing to live n my hkme. I will ditch my HSA and look for a subsidized or free government alternative. Paying the fine for health coverage will be a hell of alot cheaper for me.

I plan on lookng for ways to suck Uncle Sams tit. join me.

Posted by: PaulRyansHair at November 07, 2012 01:44 AM (jooDN)

374 Legalize weed tomorrow Barry. You know you want too

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (DXTKe)

375 Not mocking you (at all), BeckoningChasm, but this is the highlights (lowlights) of your night, and we need someone to attend to this. Some cob. Ace. I want someone to help you, BC. Please reconsider where your thoughts are taking you right now. It will pass. It WILL pass but you have to let it. Nothing is ever as bad as depression, etc. makes it seem. That's how shitty depression is. It magnifies everything.

But it PASSES. It's chemical. It makes you think stupid crazy horrible awful shit. But it's chemical and can be treated. And only from the outside can you see how wrong those thoughts were.

BeckoningChasm:
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*I'm considering suicide. Not tonight, but I'm looking
at plans. My life is over anyway.*

*The Media must be destroyed. All of them. They brought this. They
injected this into the US. Destroy the Media. By any and all means. Kill
them all.*

*It was a nice country while it lasted. Goodbye, everyone,.*

*I will not live much longer. Canceling my art show because there is no point any more. Throwing canvases into the basement.*
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Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (6JMZR)

376 Dear Pennsylvania,

your cities are crumbled, your once prosperous neighborhoods are now filled with crime and drugs. youre own people leave in droves to various 'red' states all over the nation.

and you continue to elect what decimates you, blinded to the fact that you HAVE to move onto a new era and leave the past behind. but you just cant do it can you?

i half way cheer for that past when i swing my terrible towel on game day, as do most of you ironically. but i generally laugh in your direction about everything else. only your PAST was successful, and guess where THAT demographic went? yeah...we're down here in red states with jobs, money etc...

LOSERS- thy name is 'pennsylvania'.

Posted by: laughing at neck braces at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (nVqtU)

377 This may be pure fantasy on my part, but now Obama no longer has to appease his loony fucking base...maybe, just maybe, he will make some "conservative-leaning" decisions on energy, economy, et al.

No, I don't really believe he will...but I have to hang on to something....

Posted by: Icedog at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (PTS+l)

378 Here's a cheery thought.

I was talking to someone in-the-know the other day who told me that the expropriation of our retirement accounts was on the table to pay for this massive spending...and that it is actually legal for them to do it.

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (Yhu4q)

379 "Perhaps but it might be more correct to say--we are losing The Language Battle--in the Media War."

Our wounds are also self afflicted. For example the Hannities and Goldbergs still call leftists liberals, when they are not liberal. Classic Liberas are a HUGE block we can pluck away from the left. Most people DO NOT follow politics and govt. as closely as we do. We must win the language and cultural wars.

Call a spade a spade! No more stupidly losing the language war!

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (9bWs4)

380 I guess we should have known after the Obamacare case in the Supreme Court. This nation is done. That was the clearest indicator, but we kept hoping.

Just some advice: if you have a lot of money in savings, I'd get it out while you can still pull money out of the banks.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (r4wIV)

381 Is it really that hard to speak eloquently like a President and not like a punctuated cheap prick, Barack?

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (jhI6f)

382 So far, nothing at all about s ideology or policies.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (zrpqj)

383 Oh well. The end of the unsustainable path will be arrived at that much quicker and we can figure out the way ahead that much sooner.

Posted by: lando034 at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (pZPAZ)

384 The rich and the poor won tonight. The creators and middle class took another rod up the ass.

Posted by: PaulRyansHair at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (jooDN)

385 Has America ever re-elected a socialist who promised hope and change, ran roughshod over the Constitution, and still couldn't get the economy going?

Yes, his name was Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (wwsoB)

386 I guess we were punished tonight. Obama won.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (jucos)

387 Look. of all the candidates we had Mitt was the best .. He did wonderful campaign.. What beat us was the media... They hid every flaw obama had and called almost everything Romney said a gaffeee. Not to mention they hid everything obama did wrong like Fand F and Libya... They are to blame..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (9+ccr)

388 They aren't low-information voters. They are low-IQ voters.

You can't argue optimal tax policy with somebody with an 85 IQ. They are literally incapable of understanding the issue. They can only vote tribally. Our tribe good, paleface tribe bad.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (ZPrif)

389 #313 A lot of us have seen that. The Greatest Generation spoiled its kids rotten and birthed a new nation that is incapable of governing itself. George H.W. Bush was our last President from the Greatest Generation. It's been all downhill ever since.

And whoever made the comment about white women, you are exactly right. My stupid sister in law just put up on her Facebook page a poster saying "My President Is Awesome." This woman was a actually chairman of her local school committee. She is smart and a decent mother. But she wants a President that is Awesome.


I can't even cry about this. My country is gone, it's not coming back. Nothing to do but take care of myself and teach my kids some survival skills.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (qe2/V)

390 I hate to agree with that master blow-hard Bill O'Reilly, but he nailed it on this one.

The national demographics have shifted from a majority of people who accomplish stuff to a majority of people who want "free stuff".

The grasshoppers now outnumber the ants.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (n1x7a)

391 expropriation of our retirement accounts was on the table to pay for this massive spending...and that it is actually legal for them to do it.

Oh, that's one of the things Obama will do. It doesn't matter if anyone says its illegal or not, he'll do it anyway. Who's going to stop him? We had our shot, that was the last chance.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (r4wIV)

392 Think about this: America believes that Mitt Romney is too extreme right-wing to be POTUS. So what is our future? Think about that.

Posted by: holygoat at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (IGIFh)

393 377

Obama will not triangulate.

the GOP House has to block what he can't do with EOs and win the PR battle

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (8HhF2)

394 The Mayans weren't wrong. This is just the ground shaking before the big explosion.

Sequestration happens on jan 1.

Before then will be a congress session that will see immediate effects by the race.

regulations that were held back until after the results will now be pushed forward.

things he tried to do before but was forestalled will be brought back up and implemented.

OH there's a LOT that can happen in the next 46 days.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (SP4jC)

395 I am going to talk to every gonnareah-lectcim voter that I know in that stupid halting obama tone...with or without my obama phone.

Posted by: Jason Newton at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (z6KMg)

396 >>>As far as Hollywood and "traditional media" are concerned, I've been an un-person for four years.
Haven't missed a picosecond of it at all. I get all I need to know and want to see from the Internet, on MY terms, not the Media. Posted by: Long time lurker

Yeah, and they don't make a dime off of you.

Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (C4dFv)

397 Shit..

Are we reading that as suicidal?

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (r2PLg)

398 I spoke too soon.. He just hinted that housing is a "right". Oiy!

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (zrpqj)

399 To hell with that stinking garden, I think The Maldives would be nice this year.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (l3vZN)

400 Never forget this--while I do not wish armed conflict, the fact is that John Adams estimated that in our founding Revolution, 1/3 were neutral, 1/3 Tory, and only 1/3 Patriot.

Mitt Romney garnered what percentage of the electorate today?

It will take time to generate the determination not to yield, for the case has not been made and the proper amount of patience yet shown ("prudence, indeed") but if we as a large near-majority in fact choose not to yield, Barack Obama might find "transforming" America a tad harder than he bargained for. It takes 3/4, by the Constitution, to fundamentally alter the American social compact. Not 270+ electoral votes.

Fight.

Posted by: A. at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (kjTzB)

401 Was it Tocqueville who said that a democracy will only last until the electorate realizes they can vote funds for themselves out of the treasury? We are there.

Posted by: Jmel at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (c+D8V)

402 Thanks, Krauthammer, for talking me off the ledge. It's not the end of the world. Almost, but not quite.
Posted by: Cornfed at November 07, 2012 12:56 AM (CyqAO)

I might just take him up on his offer of a prescription for anybody who thinks he needs it...

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (n1x7a)

403
"Romney's margins in the non-minority demographics were the same as Reagan 1980's landslide. The country has changed."

That's really all that need be said about why this election turned out the way it did,Fat Ass Weeping Gov. Christie notwithstanding.
We may simplyhave reached a point where demographics just about dictate that a Presidential race is unwinnable for the GOP, and won't be unless those trends change. Certain people simply aren't being fruitful and multiplying enough.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 07, 2012 01:47 AM (8cOY0)

404 Move beyond the hate. It makes you make mistakes. Don't hate a hurricane, survive it.

Play the game you're in, not the game you want.

Posted by: esch at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (9XVgh)

405 "Normally, I dismiss this a crazy talk. But how the hell can this
country go on when half of it disagrees with our current path, and the
other half (in power) doesn't give a fuck?"

Also important to note where those people are. Blue is only in the urban population centers. Geographically, it's almost all red. The inner city ghettos are dictating terms to everybody else.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (UidV/)

406 >>>without endorsing Akin or Mourdock, who obviously deserved their
criticism (though Mourdock less,) this idea that the GOP's loss was due
entirely to SoCons is something that has to be resisted over the next
day

I'm not saying that. But there is this idea that "Tea Party" principle requires almost daring voters to vote for you, running on your least palatable positions rather than saying "As a personal matter I believe X, but I understand that the country isn't there yet."

You know-- Bush ran on abortion that way. He knew the country wasn't ready for a full legislative ban on abortion -- let alone abortion rape! -- and reassured people that he understood he had to change the country to a 'culture of life" first.

Look, when we are in an evenly divided country -- right now the national vote is 49%-49% -- you really cannot afford to lose a string of 1-2% things here and there.

And yes, I think the Rape Abortion thing was a 2-3% thing. It really does hurt. It played directly into the meme they'd already created -- war on women.

I think some people continue to be perplexed that there may or may not be some *tactical fudging* that goes on in politics.


Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (LCRYB)

407 Tomorrow morning, I'm going to take every memento, picture, uniform, medal, scrap of paper and anything else I kept for sentimental reasons when I left the Marine Corps and throw every bit of it in the trash, because it means nothing to me anymore. The Constitution I swore to defend is dead. The nation I served no longer exists in anything but name. I will erase every trace that I ever wore the uniform of this banana republic so perhaps someday my descendants won't view me as young Germans today view their ancestors who were in the SS.

Posted by: radar at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (UbITQ)

408 McCaskill engaging in some legitimate rape of Akin 54-40%. Good thing we stood on principle!

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (JycCV)

409 I've actually said for a couple of years that if Obama won I'd seriously consider the Mayan Prophecy. I'm now seriously considering it.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (arczc)

410 All the time I was growing up, the ultimate nightmare was Communism.

My childhood was haunted by stories of the Berlin Wall, where people who tried to escape East Germany were shot.

My classmates and I learned of Castro executing priests and nuns, outlawing religion, imprisoning people for displaying a crucifix.

We read accounts of the hordes of refugees from the North Vietnamese Communists, streaming into South Vietnam -- including priests who'd had their tongues cut out for preaching the Gospel, and lay Catholics who'd had chopsticks driven through their eardrums for having listened to the preaching.

Siberia. Disappearances in the night. Children being forced to inform on their own parents. Teachers preaching atheism. Churches demolished or turned into museums or government buildings. Censorship and complete Party control of newspapers, television, radio, movies.

Every day in our classrooms, we pledged allegiance to the flag, and we felt so, so grateful that we lived in America, the land of freedom.

It never would have occurred to me back then that someday my own country would experience a Communist coup -- and that I would be wracked with dread for my own children's future under a Communist regime.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (F0o5k)

411 Time for Traditionalist Conservatives to get off the Republican plantation. It's time to make the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party into just the Tea Party. I don't care if we wouldn't win elections for a long time- at least I'd have a party that I could trust to represent my views and not be constantly scolding me and calling me a knuckledragger.

Yeah, that Outlaw thing- with the italics and bolded letters and exclamation points.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (Z6XSF)

412 The thing to do now is continue on.

This result was not completely unexpected or unforeseen, but the signs did not point this way.

It looks like the long game is needed now. I expect BO's policies to cause even more pain to what's left of the middle class, and 2014 is not too far away.

One of BO's comments earlier this campaign was that he had rammed through ObamaCare and neglected the economy. Will he (or Jarret) neglect the economy some more, or fund a few more Solyndras? Either way, I see all sorts of pain and misery, and only BO and the Democrats to blame.

We need a couple of conservative SCOTUS Justices to stay on for a few more years, and we need to get the Tea Party a bit more energized.

Not particularly upbeat, but apparently this case of the National Mumps is much worse than anticipated.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (feDJw)

413 If there is anything we can do to help BeckoningChasm let us know. Does anyone know his email?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (Cl95C)

414 The Greatest Generation spoiled its kids rotten and birthed a new nation that is incapable of governing itself. George H.W. Bush was our last President from the Greatest Generation. It's been all downhill ever since.

Yeah. In a way I can't blame them, they went through such incredible hardship and pain and fear, they wanted to spare their children all that. They experienced the great depression and the pain of a horrific war and wanted their kids to have a better life. They just went about it all wrong.

And we're paying the price now.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (r4wIV)

415 Do you figure if I'm a no show at work tomorrow (personal day), that they will figure out I'm a republican?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (zrpqj)

416 The libertarian thing is dumb. They are a few %. And embracing them would drive a larger % away. Obama's base is too stupid to understand libertarian arguments anyway. Most young democrats don't like capitalism. They prefer socialism. They want free shit.

TANSTAAFL is too complicated of an argument for the low-IQ crowd.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (ZPrif)

417 How do we keep Scalia alive for another 4 years?

Posted by: Tommylotto at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (wHqTo)

418 The real stunner to me is the Senate. You figure that there would be a good amount of returning to the mean since 2006 was such a wave election in red states and we were in a better position in Massachusetts. But we actually managed to lose seats. Of course they rode Obama's coattails too, but people want to talk about bad candidates, look at the candidates that we ran out for these races -- just miserable for the most part. Tough luck for Mandel who was actually a good candidate, hope he makes another go at it.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (sCI7M)

419 Next year I am voting for any candidate that will bring back as much pork to my area as possible.

I am struggling my ass off trying to make something of myself but it seems everything is out to stop me from having a good life. So, fuck it sideways. I'm voting for my slice of the Looter's Pie.

Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (MHk3m)

420 So the PA coal miners and DC area defense contractors who voted for the piece of whit are OK with losing their jobs?

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (Yhu4q)

421 Like ace, they're just looking for someone to blame for their hurt. They're looking in the wrong places. The blame is the American people. Its not social conservatism or a lack of libertarianism, or Akin or the hurricane or Christie. Its the voters. They chose what they wanted, and what they wanted is death.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (r4wIV)

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You're right, but I'd quibble with the last sentence, because the House results are incoherent. You hear about how they can't stand how dysfunctional politics are, and then bring in the same cast of characters. So while they chose collapse, they don't care enough to know it.

We are just a fundamentally unserious electorate filled with low info uneducated voters. They think we're inherently special, not that we worked hard to make ourselves special. We had a guy put Medicare on the table and talk endlessly about the pathway to Greece, but I guess people just thought that was a campaign gimmick. They voted for the guy on Entertainment Tonight talking about a handful of people paying a little more as the big fix.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (UvR6d)

422 How about laying off the potshops in
SoCal now, Holder?

Posted by: Keena at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (FUo3j)

423 Cloward-Piven Baby....Here it comes!

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (uvNSk)

424 And yes, I think the Rape Abortion thing was a 2-3% thing. It really does hurt. It played directly into the meme they'd already created -- war on women.

I think some people continue to be perplexed that there may or may not be some *tactical fudging* that goes on in politics.

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But again, if you're a voter and buy into the notion that republicans hate women and want to ban all abortions and contraceptives, we are fucked anyway . It just shows how stupid the electorate is.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (arczc)

425 Barack called me to thank me....I wept when I hung up..he's a good man.

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (psSW6)

426 Beckoning Chasm

Let's do this.

Let's talk this out.

You there?

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (r2PLg)

427 50M voted for Romney. 59M voted for Mackerel. If Romney had the game that I thought he had, then ...

We lost on organization.

I don't know what Romney was doing but his GOTV sucked. BTW, Obama is currently at 50.5M. So...if Mackerel had run, he'd have won.

Big pic? I thought Romney was a winner but his game sucked.

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:50 AM (Z3ckx)

428 >>> I'm considering suicide. Not tonight, but I'm looking at plans. My life is over anyway.

I can understand the despair. I was very seriously considering it too after the election. I can probably relate to you more closely than anyone on this thread.

But I'm not going to, not for the moment. A few things that happened outside of here, and even a kind exchange with a commenter here whom I'd previously quarrelled with (lou the girl) have temporarily stayed my hand for now at least.

This night is terrible politically. I fully grant you that.

But all love is not lost, and that trumps economics and politics. It's a hard world, but there's some really good people in it.

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.... there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for."

I'll respect whatever decision you make, but I'd urge you to pause a moment. All of the love and light is not yet lost.

Best wishes to you.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:50 AM (SKX2R)

429 >>>
I was talking to someone in-the-know the other day who told me that
the expropriation of our retirement accounts was on the table to pay for
this massive spending...and that it is actually legal for them to do
it.

I've seen that floated seriously as a policy. The idea is to seize your funded retirement account to help pay for all the unfunded (union worker) ones.

You'll get some IOUs in exchange for contributing real money.

It's incredible.

And it's not just some crazy thing crazy people say. It's being looked at.


Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 01:50 AM (LCRYB)

430 Jmel said: Was it Tocqueville who said that a democracy will
only last until the electorate realizes they can vote funds for
themselves out of the treasury? We are there.


de Tocqueville or Heinlein?

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 01:50 AM (jhI6f)

431 You don't have to pay the fine for Obamacare. There is no penalty if you don't. They left out the penalty. Not kidding.

Posted by: navybrat at November 07, 2012 01:50 AM (cAlrv)

432 It looks like the long game is needed now. I expect BO's policies to cause even more pain to what's left of the middle class, and 2014 is not too far away.

The long game is survival through the crash and rebuilding.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (r4wIV)

433 The IRS can't track ALL cash transactions. Starve the fkn beast. Go Galt.

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (/Rruc)

--Hell, even here in the Great White North I have a locksmith who offered me a cash discount for changing my locks and keys --the "discount"-- being that he pocketed the cash and we did not pay taxes.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (jKE+Z)

434 BeckoningChasm:

We love you man! Don't give up the fight, we just have to regroup. The American people are a strong, independent people, and we are not the ones that voted this damn SCOAMF in for another four damn years. Let's get together and figure out how to educate and employ the masses and fix this mess, it can be done.

As much as I hate going to work tomorrow, I still look forward to a better future for our country...it will just take a little longer than we planned.

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (/Rruc)

435 413 If there is anything we can do to help BeckoningChasm let us know. Does anyone know his email?
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (Cl95C)

_______________

Don't know...

Looks like Ace emailed him?

That's not a temporary handle.

That's what he goes by.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (r2PLg)

436 Ace, I used to feel the way you expressed in your 1:48, but if the American voting public is so fucking stupid as to buy that "war on women" horseshit as a reason to re-elect a man who has presided over the worst economy since the Depression, the who cares? We're completely and utterly fucked anyway.

Posted by: radar at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (UbITQ)

437 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:46 AM (ZPrif)

Its worse....we have Intelligent people who are ignorant as well...

Spent this evening with my business partners.... two intelligent IT guys....

They did not even know that Obama had a Dem Congress for his first two years in office! They had to look it up on the net once I pointed it out...

They could not tell me who currently controlled the House and Senate...

And Benghazi was all about a failed report of Gen. Hamm being forced out, instead of any verifiable facts....

And one said 'wow, too bad Comedy Central isn't covering the election.... Colbert really knows whats going on..."

I left.... early....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (lZBBB)

438 i say give obama his tax hikes for the wealthy, then stand back and say, "now what?"

Posted by: razor419 at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (68i8t)

439 Posted by: Albie Damned


See Argentina, which collapsed virtually overnight.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (+paCV)

440 Not to get all religious on everyone now, but while
on the cross, Jesus said; "forgive them Father, for they know not what
they do"



Posted by: kbdabear at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (wwsoB)
And I need to repeat: Second look at Obama as Antichrist?

Posted by: Methos at November 07, 2012 01:52 AM (hO9ad)

441 Did you see Biden and I sing a 'Villages' duet on youtube? He's a good man.

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 07, 2012 01:52 AM (psSW6)

442 Oh great
Four more years of big fat ugly Wookie's ass on magazine covers

Kill me now

Posted by: TexasJew at November 07, 2012 01:52 AM (lD8ju)

443 My dad died. He was a great man. Everything fell part after that, and my family did too. I m sick, and he wanted my brothers to keep paying me what they did, and to pay for my health ins. One bought out the other, and cut my pay in half, and dropped my insurance. He also is the sole trustee of my mom's money, and took it all and moved out of state... I seriously thought of killing myself, and planned it out, but something happened which stopped me (not a person but either luck or God). I know my life could be much worse. I found out I HIV when I was 23, 25 yrs ago. It was a death sentence then.

I take care of my mom, and I eat better since someone is watching me. Can people please think but what struggles they have overcome, and try to put things in perspective? I KNOW what this election means, believe me. I do think about the end of this country, a lot. It's just I am not ready to put my head in the oven It is a stunning blow, but trite as it sounds, life goes on. I will not let some tyrant or bureaucrat determine my happiness, just as I won't let anyone do that. Did people smile in the USSR? Did they get married and rise kids?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 01:52 AM (opS9C)

444 He shouldn't have conceded until the recounts are done and the investigations into fraud are concluded. He has an army, but when the leader lays the weapons down and quits... he shouldn't have. Not when these states are so close yet and there was evidence of fraud (the electronic voting machines caught on video switching Romney votes to O but never the other way around).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 07, 2012 01:52 AM (KL49F)

445 435: You guys helped me when I was in that bad place....I think maybe I could help him somehow....

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 01:52 AM (Cl95C)

446 I think the toughest part of this crap sandwich is not becoming a racist. I have never been one, but frankly, I am warming to the entire concept. I am hoping the feeling will pass.

Posted by: navybrat at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (cAlrv)

447 The children and grandchildren of "The Greatest Generation" did fine. They voted Republican. It's just they are now less than 70% of the population thanks to mass 3rd world immigration.

The Democrats elected a new people. It took a few decades, but it worked.

Give Arizona and Texas another decade and they'll be joining Colorado and Nevada as former swing states.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (ZPrif)

448 So did some of his earlier comments--get deleted?

Just seeing copies in the comments of others.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (r2PLg)

449
We thought we were going to beat them beyond th margin of fraud. We just learned that with the Chicago Machine the margin is very large. And with the ends justify the means crowd, nothing is unthinkable.
I was disappointed with the apparent results, but had some hope when it appeared Romney would fight, that maybe America had a champion who would fight to the last ballot. It was so close too, perhaps the military ballots coming in late could have made the difference? It's awful, but we have to live with it. What other choice is there?

Posted by: Really Cynical Now at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (aWXQh)

450 334 You have to End the Republican Party...there is no other option.

Why?

Because your never gonna to be able to show a Democrat voter what he is voting for until he lives it.


Yes.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (HKONC)

451 And...69.5 million voted for SCOAMF in 2008, and he's at 50.5M now.

so.

what is different. Did 30M voters die? No, Romney's GOTV sucks.

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (Z3ckx)

452 What was once will be again. When the Left is done destroying and nothing they implement works, it will be time for the Republic to rise again, whether under this or another name. Stay true to yourself and pass on what you know to be true. We can't weed them out or breed them out, but they are their own self-destruction and cannot endure. If there are a thousand years of darkness, then a thousand and one year's from now, there must still be Republicans.

Posted by: Cato at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (561wb)

453 Gorram it!

Can this night get any worse?

Just over 50% partial reporting precincts in my state (MT) and EVERY fucking statewide office, with the exception of AG, has Democrats leading by a healthy margin.

What in the Holy Fuck is WRONG with people?

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (pR0/y)

454 445 435: You guys helped me when I was in that bad place....I think maybe I could help him somehow....
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 01:52 AM (Cl95C)

___________

Yep. That's absolutely 100% correct.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (r2PLg)

455 @378 there have been congressional hearings on taking over 401ks. Certaiinly they could take away the tax advantage, but there are people arguing that the government should be able to get my money in the name of fairness and paying off public obligations.

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (DXTKe)

456 BeckoningChasm,

Are you here, friend? Please write back.

Posted by: ace at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (LCRYB)

457 Posted by: radar at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (UbITQ)

Please wait 72 hours before you do something like that. I have 26 years of active duty (and counting), and believe me, I know exactly how you feel right now. But please -give it 72 hours - and if you still feel the same do it then.

Posted by: Icedog at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (PTS+l)

458 I just saw the results on a Hong Kong cable Channel they beam into Dongguan. I guess it's 4 more years of big ears!

I was looking forward to returning to the US soon. In light of this I will continue to work in China for the next 4 years.

The Chinese are changing leadership later this month. Who wants to bet China will most likely end up being less commie than the US after 4 more years under "teh One"?

Get some sleep fellow morons. Talk to ya'all tomorrow.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (Sedwk)

459 @438

Yep!...everybody needs to just tell there representative to roll over for these guys and let them cut their own throats. At this put Republican obstruction is just going to prolong the death. Let get it over with quick.

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (uvNSk)

460 I'm beginning to think that the only solution is secession. Some area of the country -- the South -- cuts itself loose from the cancer, and those of us who don't wish to host the parasites all move there.

Posted by: holygoat at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (IGIFh)

461 Now that it's over and many are looking to cast blame, Romney ran a bad campaign, better than McCain's, but then the world economy didn't almost collapse. Instead there was a hurricane that validated AGW in the minds if many and made Obama look "presidential" after a photo op with Christie. Double standards by the media? That's a given. But Romney let the election slip away from him long before then. The debate should have given him enough of a lead to break out, not break even. He did well there. Romney is a decent man, but he didn't have the prerequisite instincts to overcome a political animal like Obama, who only knows how to campaign.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (EUv1K)

462 407
Posted by: radar at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (UbITQ)

Please do not do that Radar, comes the Revolution folks like you will be our last hope. In spite of the entitlement culture's growth, a lot of what makes America great still exists. Do we give up completely now or at least die trying to fight? By fight I mean politically and beyond...the war needs to be won on the cultural front and academic front as well. It's a long haul, but it is do or die.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (53riN)

463 I weep for our country.

This election was stolen. I know it in my soul.

Posted by: Peacerose at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (uIJDT)

464 Obama's American Exceptionalism, I think he's doing it wrong.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (zrpqj)

465 I just realized... I have to spend another 4 years looking at Moooch and her boob belts... Oh God... What did I do to deserve this? You fucking stupid pieces of shit Americans... All I can say is "I didn't vote for that puke.

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (9+ccr)

466 I believe Argentina already did this?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (SP4jC)

467 My wife (liberal) was watching TV in the next room (I pray it wasn't MSNBC) and came in to ask if I wanted to hear Romney and Obama's speeches. I'd been avoiding political contact and said no. Why not, she asked, it's history (in the making)? I said, as calmly as I could, I don't care what they say I care what they do. But Romney's speech is actually really nice she said. I know he's a good man I said, I don't need to hear his speech. No thanks, I really don't give a shit what they say, it's what they're going to do that I care about.

Within minutes we were arguing. So I know how you all feel who have family that don't agree. I really wish my wife and I were more on the same page about everything (we agree politically on some things), we've learned to mostly not talk about certain things. I don't give too much of a shit for myself, it's my young son that I feel sad about.

Posted by: Twitterers at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (YxaXw)

468 "Its too late for that. We've passed that point.
You don't seem to get it. There's no getting guys like him out of
office now. Its just going to be a string of guys just like him, over
and over, as the nation crumbles.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (r4wIV"Yes and no. Federalism. States rights. Article V convention. Secession.There are remedies. This is a huge country. Do you think that if all those red counties that voted for Romney revolt, a bunch of Upper West Side lefties are going to go out there and rule, e.g. Wyoming, like it was a Roman empire colony? The fact is that public opinion in this country is being set by a few dozen people who, when push comes to shove, rely on YOUR passivity to set that opinion.
No, they'll huff and puff and eventually say "Fuck it, I'm not going out to cow country" and leave you alone.The Left is a paper tiger, but you (meaning the red states) have to assert your geographical interests. The Left of today isn't like the North of the Civil War era. They've got no fight in them if it involves anything more than getting miked up in an MSNBC studio.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (P2Ufm)

469 Kathy from Kansas: the churches are all commie, now or as they like to call it -- social justice.

Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (C4dFv)

470 Why must Obama speak like he's a performer or bad caricature of a B-movie actor playing "powerful inner-city politician" ?

This punctuated speech is seriously annoying.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (jhI6f)

471 Damn racist sock.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (YxaXw)

472 You all need to quit being a bunch of little girls. So the election is lost, this isn't the first crisis American has had and it won't be the last. Buck up. Obama won't completely have his way. Republicans have the house and enough for a filibuster in the Senate. Obama is fighting a war on math and needs to somehow get unemployment down with his crappy policies we know don't work. Libya would probably have been swept under the rug if Obama had lost, now it will probably fester and grow. Obama and Dems in 2016 will probably be in a similiar situation that republicans and Bush were in in 2008.

This isn't the end of the world. I plan on staying in the fight. Remember how Dems despaired in 2004? They thought it was the end for them but obviously it wasn't. This isn't the end of the world either. The good news is Obama gets to inherit Obama's mess.

I'm going to bed I have a lot of work to do tomorrow. Enjoy your weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth now, tomorrow you're gonna have to keep up the fight again

Posted by: Blah at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (nz7Cj)

473 > It's fairly hard to compete for customers when the sales pitches are:

> Brand D -- Free shit!

> Brand R -- Eat your vegetables.

If thats what you think happened, well, enjoy losing. Because it's no even CLOSE to what happened this election, which is:

Brand D -- Smart, sophisticated, urban people like Nate Silver and Obama who don't hate teh gays, want to end wars, and think pot is reasonable.

Brand R -- Creationist, anti-science bigots that want to force rape victims to raise the rapist's baby, hate teh gays, and want wars as far as the eye can see.

It's not about "free shit", and it never has been. But yeah, keep telling yourself it's not the social issues, the endless war, that people are rejecting on the GOP side. Mitt got tagged with the GOP whatever his personal opinions may be, and the GOP ticket on social issues is a LOSER nationally, and will remain that way for our lifetime.

Posted by: That Guy at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (LmEvg)

474 Anyone who fell for that war on women bullshit deserves the leadership they voted for. If liberals want their abortions paid for I say we go along, thin the herd.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (4cRnj)

475
People. It is the media. Stop feeding that beast! No Comcast. No Direct TV. No network crap including football. No ESPN. No Disney. No HBO. Just say no. Save yourself the$140 per month. You will need it soon anyway.
Breitbart was absolutely right that the real enemy of the US was the media and the equally corrupt universities and colleges that brainwash, create networks for and train the leftist criminals.

Posted by: Cambridge Ryan Fan at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (WnjLc)

476
Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (P2Ufm)

------------------------

You are right, but there's nowhere left to go. Demographics is destiny and we are losing ours. It's time to create an enclave of like-minded people and leave. Form our own union of citizens and producers.

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (FVp26)

477 I say again--it takes 3/4 to change the social compact, not a bare majority whose margin was around 355 votes (in the wrong direction) last I heard.

Barack Obama pushes "forward" at his peril.

Posted by: A. at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (kjTzB)

478 >>> Heinlein?

It was Heinlein who said that, I think.

I think he said about half the bright, witty things that have ever been said in the English language, actually.

I would love to give the political system from Starship Troopers a try for the reasons made in the book, but I have no idea how to get there from here.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (SKX2R)

479 Congrats USA. You voted for decline. Cry Havoc and let Slip the Dogs of Unintended Conscequences!!

Posted by: puddleglum at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (15w2J)

480 "Time for Traditionalist Conservatives to get off the Republican plantation"

if you think Romney lost exclusively because teh social issues i dunno what to tell you.

think what you want about 'em but this is an incredibly narrow view.

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (8HhF2)

481 So the polls turned out to be pretty accurate. Does that mean we were up 5 last week before the storm?

Posted by: California red at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (DXTKe)

482 By this I meant the retirement fund seizure?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (SP4jC)

483 BeckoningChasm don't go there, and here's why: you have family and friends who need you. Yes, the nation is a write off. Yes, America is lost, as the grand experiment of liberty. But that's the larger territory. You need to be here on the ground for your friends and family and neighbors. You need to be here locally to make a difference where you are.

Forget the rest of the country - I don't mean this as an insult to the other commenters here, but look to your own. We're going to need to, very badly, soon.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (r4wIV)

484
"429... I've seen that floated seriously as a policy. The idea is to seize your funded retirement account to help pay for all the unfunded (union worker) ones."


My wife's uncle is a Delphi retiree. It's already happened once.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (Mxt9o)

485 @453

You can't be serious...it's obviously rigged. You lost your Freedom in 2008, this is how they are telling you!

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (uvNSk)

486 There are 30 GOP governors. Time to insist on a return to state's rights and to do everything possible to starve the federal beast?

Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (F3s39)

487 Yeah appropriating people's 401K is one of the few things that I think would provoke actual battles and bloodshed in the streets.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (uyPho)

488 Thank you for all your hard work, Ace, and for the spirit of acceptance on this blog.

I have a different perspective than some of you.

I think Romney was a good candidate. Not perfect but he executed a strategy that likely would have worked but for 1) media malpractice, 2) a lying/cheating opponent, and 3) Hurricane Sandy. Mitt could have probably overcome the first two obstacles and won the election had it been held 2 weeks ago, before Sandy. Obama's cheap exploitation of the hurricane with Christie's help tipped the election. And just the fact that a natural disaster took the focus off Mitt.

The data in the polls showed that the majority of people dislike Obama's fundamental concepts. They dislike ObamaCare and his job on the economy. He didn't win a majority today. Don't care what his speechwriters write,, he doesn't have a mandate.

Obama will eventually regret winning because now the scrutiny which has been withheld will commence. And half the country is pissed off. Despite his win, mainstream media ratings are cratering and I predict that they will turn on him. The enraged conservative media will lead the charge.

I feel sad that half of my fellow Americans failed to see the fraud that Obama is and that so many "Yahoo News" consumers fell for the hurricane act, but I've now resigned myself to being in the intelligent half and accepting that the other half is ignorant. I resent that I will continue to pay taxes -- even more and more -- while half the country gets a free ride. But I'll just have to find some more loopholes and credits.

On the upside, take comfort that half the country gets it. After a few more years of Obama, I suspect we'll have a lot more numbers on our side. The 49% who voted for Mitt today will once again be the 52% he had 2 weeks ago and approval ratings will drop.

As for Chris Christie, who knows how much damage he did but he definitely did not help. To excessively gush over Obama and give him the photo ops he desperately needed was absolutely treasonous. Then in explaining those actions, he made it worse this week. Those two deserve each other. Christie may as well change parties because I think his national career as a Republican is over.

Get some rest, people. There are battles to fight.

Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (+uFux)

489 Ace @428.

I guess so, all the crazy extreme leftwing plans are on the table. I suppose I should hope that the new (please) house majority will resist. Now crazy is on the table.

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (Z3ckx)

490 Yeah, he's watching our backs

Posted by: Lee__ at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (j1RvS)

491 429 Ace
That, to me, is the final hill to die on. When they decide to take our private retirement funds ( and they will) it's over.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (QBSp1)

492 GOP needs to move away from the tea party, now. From bad to worse candidates. I don't care if we can't win another election but the tea party got to go, now. We should have had the Senate. Fvk

Posted by: daniel at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (s3RKL)

493 "Anyone remember four years ago? That sucked too. Put the big boy pants tomorrow or the next day when the tequila is out."

At least we can see why it happened...a very weak candidate, an virtually unknown Democrat, and a weakening economy.

But we are four years on, and Obama has a record...a bad record.

AND THIS COUNTRY JUST GAVE HIM A PASS ON IT!

It only took Tony Blair a decade to totally fuck up the UK, Obama did it in four years.

It's gonna take soup kitchen lines and Obamaville-type shanty towns to see a turnaround at this point.

Posted by: cheshirecat at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (6bNif)

494
I am still having trouble wrapping my head around this election, not a Mitt loss necessarily, but we got our ass kicked in a 50.1 to 49.9 election.

Almost every senate election, any minority in the repub caucus. Its some kinda strange mathematical divergence.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (PHb2k)

495 Man I can't wait to hear about how there's no inflation, while subway advertises their $10 footlong deals.

Posted by: buzzion at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (GULKT)

496 408 McCaskill engaging in some legitimate rape of Akin 54-40%. Good thing we stood on principle!

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (JycCV)

--What do you mean, "we"? "We," on the whole, wanted the asshole to bow out and let a more capable candidate run in his stead.

Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (jKE+Z)

497 Every word coming out of Barky's mouth is unmitigated crap.... Lies and more lies, and he'll be praised all over for the wondrous-ness of it all...

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (JwW4z)

498 420

The PA coal miners & DC mil contractors can kiss my lily white ass when they whine about losing their jobs.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (d0Dmj)

499 Damn it Beckoning Chasm

Don't give them the satisfaction!

They are not worth it.

You are better than them.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (r2PLg)

500 The House could cut the pursestrings. Just shutdown Executive agencies in part or the Federal Government en toto... but it won't. Because racist or something.

Look. We have at least one hammer to hit the tyrannical nail. Cut the monies. But, well, Boehner and the Eunuchs who guide and support our "leadership" won't do it.

So we're still boned even though we have an apparatus to shut things down. Patriots would step in and do this even if it mean getting kicked out in two years. We simply don't have them.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (eHIJJ)

501 Beckoning Chasm,

Never, EVER leave a movie half-way through.
NEVER!

Time and God hold surprises we can only imagine.

Stay with us.
We NEED you.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (+paCV)

502 Barack Obama pushes "forward" at his peril.

What peril? Where's the danger for him? What's the cost? He cannot be stopped or contained now. And he proved that you can be a horrible president, humiliate the nation, have a godawful economy, and run a campaign on essentially nothing but bitterness and revenge... and win anyway.

Where's this price you think he's going to pay, or any of the Democrats? Look around you. They gained in congress. They got more power.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (r4wIV)

503 Joffen you would be the best guy to talk to BC now. Ask Ace to hook you guys up.

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (/Rruc)

504 It is the GOP that allows Akin's humane position on abortion- opposing it in every instance as murder- to be cast by the Left as radical and out of the mainstream, while allowing Obama a pass on the same issue with his sadistic and evil position mandating the murder of babies who have survived abortion.

It's reality turned on it's head.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (Z6XSF)

505 Obama acceptance speech is frightening and disjointed. This is bad.

Posted by: ELKomandante at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (9Fjmj)

506 "Ace, I used to feel the way you expressed in your 1:48, but if the American voting public is so fucking stupid as to buy that "war on women" horseshit as a reason to re-elect a man who has presided over the worst economy since the Depression, the who cares? We're completely and utterly fucked anyway."

Or we could just win the language and culture wars and get some of those stupid people to vote Republican.

Many people assumed Romney was going to do well because they assumed other people follow govt., economics, foreign policy as much as they do. They don't. For many people politics is no different than rooting for a sports team. I work with a black guy who is way more conservative than me yet he has NEVER voted for a Republican. See the problem?

My mission starting tomorrow is to aid guys on the right with loud voices (media types, etc.) to correct their language.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (9bWs4)

507 "Also important to note where those people are. Blue
is only in the urban population centers. Geographically, it's almost all
red. The inner city ghettos are dictating terms to everybody else.


Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (UidV/)"Yes, the non-urban parts of this continent are RIPE for the plucking away from DC.The people who arrogate to themselves the right to tell you how to live have NO desire to actually live among you. They depend upon your willingness to follow the orders of those living hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (P2Ufm)

508 Is there an overarching lesson?

We underperformed 2008 by 10M, SCOAMF by 20M.

What the hell? Who voted? Who didn't vote?

How can I take a lesson from this?

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (Z3ckx)

509 Yeah, it was Argentina in '08: here == http://tinyurl.com/yfu9cpa

They took private retirement funds for cash. Guess who is still in office after doing that?

Yep the chiquita who's still presidenta; Cristina Kirchner.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (SP4jC)

510 GOP needs to move away from the tea party, now. From bad to worse candidates. I don't care if we can't win another election but the tea party got to go, now. We should have had the Senate. Fvk

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Yea that's it. Right back into that George Bush "compassionate" conservatism that brought us Barack Obama.

Let's be very clear: Mitt Romney was NOT a Tea Party candidate. Not even close. We backed him. I voted for him. But he in no way, shape, or form was our guy.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (arczc)

511 That, to me, is the final hill to die on. When they decide to take our private retirement funds ( and they will) it's over.

Dude, its already over. Take the hit and pull your money out.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (r4wIV)

512 Or where you love? Like the back of a limo?

Posted by: Craig Poe at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (BVkEs)

513 guess who's country is still messed up because of her and her policies?

TFG just wants to be part of the in crowd.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (SP4jC)

514 This speech is just awful. I don't know if I can stand 4 more years of this.... I really don't.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (jucos)

515 Our wounds are also self afflicted. For example the Hannities and
Goldbergs still call leftists liberals, when they are not liberal.
Classic Liberas are a HUGE block we can pluck away from the left. Most
people DO NOT follow politics and govt. as closely as we do. We must
win the language and cultural wars.


You know, if my memory serves, wasn't it Rush who sometime in the 90s decided to define "liberal" Democrats as "liberals" in an attempt to isolate them. That has always bothered me, because I thought that I was a liberal, not them. "Progressives" makes more sense anyway.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (YxaXw)

516 buy a rifle.

Posted by: garfish at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (RDnLr)

517 So Penn. and Ohio I hope obama shuts down all your coal, you mother fuckers... At this point I'm hoping for it...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (9+ccr)

518 Please respond if you see my comment...I'm having trouble!

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (uvNSk)

519 So. let them seize 401 plans if that is what it takes.

Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (C4dFv)

520
Now I count havinglost at least 12 of the 15 competitive Senate races.

We're behind in two of the three others, and just barely ahead in the last.

This is statistically almost impossible. Something is really, really, reallyfishy here.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (Mxt9o)

521
473
If a majority of young voters have a more positive view of socialism than capitalism, per Pew surveys- how do you see the GOP ever winning their votes?

Posted by: reality at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (aED3v)

522 A man like Heinlein can be influential in the America that was.

In today's America when half the high school graduates read at the 8th grade level -- then no, he can't.

What % of 8th-grade reading level adults do you think Obama won tonight?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (ZPrif)

523 When someone gets into the suicidal mindset, it doesn't matter how many family and friends they have. It doesn't matter what hobbies they enjoy. It is a black hole of the mind. They need therapy, meds or both.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (Cl95C)

524 "McCaskill engaging in some legitimate rape of Akin 54-40%. Good thing we stood on principle!"

Don't know what this "we" business is. A number of commenters here said instantly after Akin opened his yap that it was a major disaster and he needed to be forced off the ballot by a unified front of the rest of the party. And, frankly, Romney did what he could to get Akin out.

Mike Huckabee and Tony Perkins and a half-dozen other high profile Christian socons instead sat down with Akin and told him that it was a "test of faith" moment, that God would make sure he eventually prevailed if he stayed in and did not waver.

Turns out to have been a great argument for atheism.

Note that before Akin ran his mouth using his empty head, he was the overwhelming odds-on favorite in his race. All he had to do was stand pat. Instead he lost that race due to his small brain and big mouth and swollen ego and Jeebus addiction, and he did collateral damage to the GOP in races all across the country.

As I said at the time, "Yay socons!" A stance that has hardened.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (ymG7s)

525 378 Here's a cheery thought.

I was talking to someone in-the-know the other day who told me that the expropriation of our retirement accounts was on the table to pay for this massive spending...and that it is actually legal for them to do it.
Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM

--------------------------

It is legal and it's only a matter of time. The looters will not be satisfied till there is nothing left. Locusts, the lot of em.

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (FVp26)

526 Or we could just win the language and culture wars and get some of those stupid people to vote Republican.

Too late. We had that chance and couldn't get it done.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (r4wIV)

527 IDIOCRACY NOW! just started muthafuckahs! Lt. Willard is creeping me out!

Posted by: Clean at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (ypzqs)

528 I can't sleep.
I really did what i thought i could. I donated to the cause, talked to everyone i knew.
i thought we had this.


i really feel bad for my kids. I have a pretty secure job, i am rather well set up.
my oldest will be entering the workforce before this fuckup has to leave office. It won't go well for him.
The others might be young enough to enjoy a recovery, if there is one to be had after the next few years.

ahh damnit.

Posted by: mrshad at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (0yAqu)

529 Beckoning Chasm,

Isaiah was told to tell everyone it was all over---God was bringing the hammer.
He went ahead because God said he would be speaking to the ones that survived.

You are one.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 02:01 AM (+paCV)

530 525 378 Here's a cheery thought.

I was talking to someone in-the-know the other day who told me that the expropriation of our retirement accounts was on the table to pay for this massive spending...and that it is actually legal for them to do it.
Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM

--------------------------

It is legal and it's only a matter of time. The looters will not be satisfied till there is nothing left. Locusts, the lot of em.
Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (FVp26)

---------------------

Clarification, it will be legal. The bill has been pending for ages. It will pass.

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 02:01 AM (FVp26)

531 523 When someone gets into the suicidal mindset, it doesn't matter how many family and friends they have. It doesn't matter what hobbies they enjoy. It is a black hole of the mind. They need therapy, meds or both.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (Cl95C)

_______________

But we have to slow him down now.


Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:01 AM (r2PLg)

532 If liberals want their abortions paid for I say we go along, thin the herd.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (4cRnj)


I've said that from Day 1.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:01 AM (HKONC)

533 Is it too early to start talking impeachment over the Benghazi affair?

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 02:01 AM (VMcEw)

534 I must be banned here...am I?

Posted by: Jimi at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (uvNSk)

535 It is a stunning blow, but trite as it sounds, life
goes on. I will not let some tyrant or bureaucrat determine my
happiness, just as I won't let anyone do that. Did people smile in the
USSR? Did they get married and rise kids?


Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 01:52 AM (opS9C)
Oh, I'll live my life as best I can from here on out. I'll laugh, I'll love, I'll do all the things I've always done. But I will also mourn the death of a once great nation. That may sound hyperbolic, but I seriously believe that we've crossed the threshold from a generous, dynamic, entrepreneurial, risk-taking, adventurous nation to a boring, self-interested, trivial, shallow, superficial nation. From a nation where each of use try to do what's best for ourselves, but help out others along to the way, to one where we take from others and hold them back in order to keep us from feeling bad about our own failures. Where being "rich" is not something to strive for, but something to despise, etc. I could go on. But the point is, I can handle 4 more years of Obama. Heck, with a Republican house, he can't do much damage anyway, unless they roll over for him. What worries me is that the majority of this country looked at his record and thought, "Sign me up for 4 more years of that". What have we become?

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (s8XaI)

536 I earned a law degree from a good law school in 2011 that has been worth less than toilet paper. I'm 27 and I live with my parents. I'm unmarried of course. I rarely get interviews even in the same galaxy of my field. When I do, I am always passed over. This country has no future.There's no future that I want to be a part of. If I wasn't a coward, I would have put a bullet in my brain already. I can't imagine being alive in 4 years. Goodbye, this is my last posting.

Posted by: Naes at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (r4dYV)

537 Sorry to say the polls were accurate... Fuck us I guess..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (9+ccr)

538 By the way, it was both DeTocqueville and several of the founding fathers who gave that warning about voting themselves goodies. Heinlein probably picked it up too, but after them.

Its the big danger with liberty, you cannot sustain a republic without a virtuous public. Once the people abandon virtue, the greed, selfishness, and short term gain begin to be the goals, and the nation pulls its self to pieces.

I had hoped, against hope, that we had one more shot to pull it out, but we didn't. It was too late.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (r4wIV)

539 Watching Bill Whittle on Ustream and he is talking about social change in societies happens before political change.

I think that is right, and realize that happened prior to 2008.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (PHb2k)

540 It was nice to be down south this week and pay my respects to the bitter clingers. Heading back up north to the madness with ammo and gas. Just don't start the purges again. Those who needed to go lost their seats, but the old Reagan coalition, especially the so cons who worked so hard in this election, remember that they had their priorities right. I really wish for the sake of the unborn that Romney had won. If anyone sat this one out, it was libertarians, and I hope they get their own party together instead of just crashing the GOP.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (EUv1K)

541 God, I miss Rove as an actual GOP leader, he could get out the vote (GOTV)

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 02:03 AM (Z3ckx)

542 We can't impeach... We actually lost seats in the Senate so obama is home free..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:03 AM (9+ccr)

543 All that wasted pudding. Damn.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 02:03 AM (VMcEw)

544 Is it too early to start talking impeachment over the Benghazi affair?



Does the thought of President Biden slow you down? I don't know which would be worse....

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 02:03 AM (/Rruc)

545 Can anyone see my comments?

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (uvNSk)

546 Have I mentioned that this universe sucks?

On some alternate plane, I hope Actual Waterhouse is boning Faithful Wife Mila Kunis to produce Ultimate Superstar Heir #25.

Because this fucking grab-bag of mewling Sycophants and Dick-lickers is worth Sandra Fluke Patent Progeny-snuffing Cream™ and not much else.

Oh well.

I salute future archaeologists, frantically scratching their heads at how this generation of Ultratards produced Intel i7s, and one Barack Oshitforbrains, to rule them, at the same time.

Good luck!

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (2l+qZ)

547 God, I miss Rove as an actual GOP leader, he could get out the vote (GOTV)--

----

He got out the vote by getting a shit ton of states to put Homosexual marriage on the ballot. That issue has moved in the other direction since then. Not sure what he would do now.

That said, again, if this country needed a phone call to go vote, we were fucked anyway.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (arczc)

548 Is it too early to start talking impeachment over the Benghazi affair?

No president will ever be impeached again. It doesn't matter what he does, they will not go there in congress. Ever. Especially with a man who is perceived to be black. President Obama has no limits, nothing to hold him back. You all have to let this sink in: the only way to stop him was the election.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (r4wIV)

549 545 Can anyone see my comments?
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (uvNSk)

___________

Yes.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (r2PLg)

550 Beckoning Chasm,
G.K. Chesterton said that when someone is crazy, what they need
is not logic, but air. Go outside and see how much there is outside of
politics.

Posted by: LIGuy at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (HYD/Y)

551 Maetenloch at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (uyPho)

Doubt it but even so, why do you think the military has been doing a lot of training on urban warfare, riot suppression and interacting with local law enforcement?

Not only that they've tried to hide what it's really about by the lastest one by calling it a Zombie Horde exercise.

Guess who the Zombies are? yeah You and me and anyone they decide is a danger to the Empire.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (SP4jC)

552 and, as far as recriminations go, fuck Gary Johnston and Chris Christie.

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (Z3ckx)

553 @549

Thank You!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (uvNSk)

554 >>>496 --What do you mean, "we"? "We," on the whole, wanted the asshole to bow out and let a more capable candidate run in his stead.

I do remember contingents of the TrueCon Avenger and RunSarahRun brigades boosting this fucking rapeclown and calling us all traitors for demanding he step down.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (JycCV)

555 The preference cascade was really the preference of the inner-city poor, the illegal alien, and the race-huckstering community organizers to vote to take our shit at the point of the government's guns.

Fuck them.

Posted by: SGT Dan at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (dqSmk)

556
rockmom, you stole many of my words. That such a disastrous, unfit, untalented, politically inept, small figure could wage such an absurd non-campaign as Obama did, and win - against an incredibly impressive opponent, with high and persistent unemployment, fiscal chaos, and foreign policy disaster ....... simply unbelievable.

And I have been using the "unserious" catch-all label for many years to describe the unworthy sorts who have been prospering in the Beltway since the Clinton years (Dubya's years being mostly a stark exception).

And there's just something here - as a few others tonite have noted - that's just very very weird. There wasn't a single shred of direct or indirect info or intel for months indicating the way the voting would go today. As recently as two days ago Obama's events were strikingly small, his volunteer centers half-empty - and he's been borrowing money for weeks. WTF?? The candidate himself even looked haggard and lost during some of his limp rallies. Not a matter of "echo chamber" - I'm talking about all the indirect indicators one can ever use to assess the state of things. Completely mystifying.



Posted by: non-purist at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (UViC2)

557 I doubt BC is answering emails. When I was in the same place, I didn't answer emails, tweets or facebook messages. Someone needs to get his phone number.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (Cl95C)

558 I'm not gonna defend Akin or Mourdock. They deserved the criticism they got, although Mourdock could have held the position he does and not damaged his campaign if he hadn't phrased it in the way he did. (Maybe it still would've had an impact, but not on that scale -- Paul Ryan holds the same position as him and he didn't damage the Romney campaign with his "method of conception" remarks)

I just reject this whole argument that the entire reason the GOP lost is because of the culture war. and it's not really about my opinions on it (for the record I do not "hate the gays.") unless I am missing something about the issues Midwesterners etc. care about it just doesn't seem like the deciding factor liberals/libertarians want to make it.

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (8HhF2)

559 A preenign shitbrick who's confused about elementary 7th Grade math will lead them.

Or something.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (2l+qZ)

560 I _will_ be talking to a financial advisor to try to kill my 401(k) and TSP with the least loss possible. I'll buy land with the money.

Screw these guys. They're about to get exactly what they asked for, good and hard. The rest of us Americans will be just fine.

Beckoning Chasm, it's not worth it. _He's_ not worth it. He's not worth your toejam. Rest, and reconsider. Talk to someone.

Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (g7D8V)

561 431 You don't have to pay the fine for Obamacare. There is no penalty if you don't. They left out the penalty. Not kidding.
Posted by: navybrat at November 07, 2012 01:50 AM (cAlrv)

Yup. I expect total chaos, the good kind, when that goes into effect. Once word gets out that its very, very easy to skirt, I think you will see widespread refusal to comply.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (zrpqj)

562 Okay I'm not gonna gild the lily... but we're fucked...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (9+ccr)

563 514
This speech is just awful. I don't know if I can stand 4 more years of this.... I really don't.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (jucos)

After tonight I'm probably going to have to go on a bit of a political hiatus. I can't stand the thought of listening to 4 more years of his crap. Straw men will take one hell of a beating over the next 4 years.

Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (s8XaI)

564 "if you think Romney lost exclusively because teh social issues i dunno what to tell you."

The GOP lost one, maybe two gimmie Senate Seats because of them. I am done with Fox News (except Red Eye) until they dump Huckabee. Huckee persuaded Toxic Todd to stay in race against an unpopular, corrupt incumbent. Many social cons are big govt. types. Let's punt them (the big govt. ones) and go for the classic liberals and libertarians. The small govt. social cons will still have a home.

I have been waiting over a decade for the great statist - (classic) liberal realignment. Obama's war on math could make it happen sooner than later.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (9bWs4)

565 We survived 4 years of the JEF, we can survive 4 more. Don't ask me how, cuz I'm not at all sure.

It is what it is.

For those talking about going on the dole, I fully understand. I won't criticize. Do what you have to do. Going Galt? I concur. Do some doling if you can.

The Cloward Piven strategy was always to crash the system. Help them out. It doesn't matter now -- see you on the other side of what that brings.

Beckoning Chasm -- hang around and suck resources from the system. Declare yourself crazy or something. It's now the American Way, and it will piss them off if you do it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (ccXZP)

566
You know what really sucks....This time Obama inherited the Obama economy.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (SkyIE)

567 Two words:

Civil.
War.

It may be the only way.

Posted by: Tunkhannock at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (TLjqs)

568 525 378 Here's a cheery thought.

I was talking to someone in-the-know the other day who told me that the expropriation of our retirement accounts was on the table to pay for this massive spending...and that it is actually legal for them to do it.
Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM

--------------------------

It is legal and it's only a matter of time. The looters will not be satisfied till there is nothing left. Locusts, the lot of em.
Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (FVp26)


If that happens, there will probably be........

ummm....

serious ramifications for some political figure(s). Someone will go off the deep edge.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (HKONC)

569 508 Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (Z3ckx)__________ That's what gets me. WTH?

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (opS9C)

570 536 I earned a law degree from a good law school in 2011 that has been worth less than toilet paper. I'm 27 and I live with my parents. I'm unmarried of course. I rarely get interviews even in the same galaxy of my field. When I do, I am always passed over. This country has no future.There's no future that I want to be a part of. If I wasn't a coward, I would have put a bullet in my brain already. I can't imagine being alive in 4 years. Goodbye, this is my last posting.
Posted by: Naes at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (r4dYV)

______________________

I know exactly what you are talking about--

I read Paul Campos blog and the commenters over there.

Of course other idiot law profs had to correct Campo's grammar.

Althouse is a class A douche bag.

I owe Campos--went to Boulder.

Not the law school--but...ugh.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (r2PLg)

571 I can't believe that most are giving this vote legitimacy.

There is no way Obama wins this big.....if he won at all.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (uvNSk)

572 That guy!

The guy who's bewildered by algebra!

Vote for him, you FUCKING RUBES!

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (2l+qZ)

573
Let me put it this way. If the chance of winning EVERY single Senate was each 10%, the odds of losing absolutely every single one would be 20.5%

What we're seeing with the Senate is damn near impossible.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (Mxt9o)

574 Allen West lost. The whole fucking world has gone upside down

Posted by: Helen at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (93bH6)

575 "The GOP lost one, maybe two gimmie Senate Seats because of them"

sure, I agree with that. talking about the presidential race though

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (8HhF2)

576 "And yes, I think the Rape Abortion thing was a 2-3% thing. It really
does hurt. It played directly into the meme they'd already created --
war on women."

I agree completely, had Akin not opened his mouth I truly believe Romney could have won.

Posted by: Jeepers at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (XDRsa)

577 BeckoningChasm--

Never, ever give up hope! We don't throw in the towel or give up. We are Americans! No matter how bleak it is, we pick ourselves up by the bootstraps and live to fight another day.

I truly believe God looks out for His own, and no matter how awful things seem now, He is still here and He has a plan for all of us. We just have to have faith. His eye is on the sparrow.

Please talk to someone about how you're feeling. And please do not forget how much people here too care about you.

Posted by: VAgirl at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (U9x6W)

578 >>> When someone gets into the suicidal mindset, it doesn't matter how many family and friends they have. It doesn't matter what hobbies they enjoy. It is a black hole of the mind. They need therapy, meds or both.

I think they need some kindness.

People have been helping others in that state with kindness and appreciation for a long time.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (SKX2R)

579 @567 yeah, well, we'd proably lose that too.

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (Z3ckx)

580 Christopher Taylor said: Dude, its already over. Take the hit and pull your money out.

The downfall is inevitable given Obama's proposed fiscal and state-expansion trajectory.

A change via Romney was our only chance at altering it in any meaningful manner before the effects compound. Systems of this size are very sensitive to initial inputs, a small change now could have had meaningful results in the long-term as well as markets sentiments and projections of the future economic state.

If we are clever, we can identify and profit from this inevitable fiscal situation and provide for ourselves and families. I love this country, but it's time to be realistic.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (jhI6f)

581 It is the end. Tell yourself whatever you want, but it is the end. I am going Galt. I will watch them starve. I will watch them eat their young. I am done supporting their dysfunctional lives. The gov't cannot exist without our money. The gov't creates nothing but dependancy. They create no wealth. They collapse wothout the rest of us creators.
Just because 51% of the voters have decided top stick it to the rest of us doesn't mean the rest of us have to play along.
That may be "Democracy", but it is not a moral imperative.

Posted by: Je at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (60WUU)

582 I didn't want to retire this soon but no way I work for the same financial outcome as sitting on my ass

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (BAnPT)

583 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (r4wIV)

I'm thinking of cashing out my retirement fund. Seriously.

The most irksome thing about this is the fact that few if any of the folks that voted for the most loathsome douchebag in history will ever even admit to themselves that they did a very stupid thing. Blame will be on Republicans for every single fucking thing, always. That's the most depressing thing about it to me. I can already guess how a typical conversation will go:

Lib: I can't believe I just had to spend $250 to fill my tank! Those greedy oil companies!
Me: You're a stupid fucking asshole, aren't you?

Posted by: model_1066 at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (nuLjn)

584 Oh, you already did.

Well, reap the whirlwind then.

Fucktards.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (2l+qZ)

585 557 I doubt BC is answering emails. When I was in the same place, I didn't answer emails, tweets or facebook messages. Someone needs to get his phone number.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (Cl95C)

_____________

Don't know as much about him.

I'm going to do a google search.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (r2PLg)

586 West and Mia Love had a pretty good lead... Something is off here...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (9+ccr)

587 492
GOP needs to move away from the tea party, now. From bad to worse
candidates. I don't care if we can't win another election but the tea
party got to go, now. We should have had the Senate. Fvk


Posted by: daniel at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (s3RKL)
_____________________
You do realize that the House, which was affected more by the tea party than anything at a national level, was one of our only bright spot tonight, right?

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (sCI7M)

588 Wow--

Here is his art work I think--

http://beckoningchasm.com/oils1.html

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (r2PLg)

589 You can't put too much blame on Garry Johnson... No matter what name is on tha Lib line, at least 1% of contrarian voters will pick it.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (zrpqj)

590
564
When is the last time this country has elected a fiscal conservative? I amto the right of Attila the Hun when it come to the economy but I have accepted thatmaybe, just maybe, this country is no longer fiscally conservative.

Posted by: reality at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (aED3v)

591 Oh, God, I am so depressed.

Because I'm so drunk, on the one hand I'm more emotional, on the other hand I'm considerably numbed.

I'm crying.

And here's the thing. For me, it was never about "my team" winning. I'm not much of a "Republican." Not a so-con; I'm a small-libertarian (who despised those "libertarians" who endorsed Gary Johnson in probably the most important election in our liftetimes).

For me, it was about the future of America.

I despise the endorsers of Gary Johnson as much as the Akin defenders and Maggie Gallagher's idiotic anti-Romney socon post yesterday. (Which is to say: I respect many libertarians, and I respect many socons. But anyone who's contributed to losing this election? FUCK YOU.)

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (tUcg9)

592 468. Listen to this man. Now, they will in fact fight, because they have both the hate and the contempt that will cause them to try.

That will get them through round one. After that....

I think in terms of war, it is true...the examples of our forefathers stand before me...but civil disobedience may be the better answer. Gum up the works. No more going along.

But it will require real action, with real costs. But I'll be damned if that "gentlemen" from Chicago is going to change what "demigods" created.

And yes--social conservatives are going to have to figure out what they wish to hand over in the "Treaty of Westphalia". I see no way to avoid some things. Other arguments I have standing by. But some things the liberals are probably going go keep.

Oh--the state of California says I owe them $300 or so fom 2008. It was paid, out of a tax return, but their records don't reflect that, and they waited the full three years to maximize the penalty.

I'm not paying. They'll win, eventually, of course, perhaps destroying my credit rating. Who knows. But I'm not paying that state a dime. They can put in a lien if they feel like it. I no longer cooperate with that kind of government. I won't be sending in my insurance to the IRS, either, though I have it.

Don't cooperate with those kinds of government. Fight. Realizing they are vicious to those who they think should submit or who try to ve dutiful, and lenient to those who they think should not ir eho will not.

But fight anyway.

Posted by: A. at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (kjTzB)

593
"565 ...Do what you have to do. Going Galt? I concur. Do some doling if you can.

The Cloward Piven strategy was always to crash the system. Help them out. It doesn't matter now -- see you on the other side of what that brings. ..."


I guess it's time for me to finally finish Atlas Shrugged, so I can see what comes next.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (Mxt9o)

594 Did Mia Love lose as well?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (Cl95C)

595 >>>Within minutes we were arguing. So I know how you all feel who have family that don't agree. I really wish my wife and I were more on the same page about everything (we agree politically on some things), we've learned to mostly not talk about certain things. I don't give too much of a shit for myself, it's my young son that I feel sad about. Posted by: Twitterers

Are you exceptionally comfortable financially? Is the cost of everything rising due to energy prices and taxes going up not going to affect you? I sure would make her see and acknowledge it.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (C4dFv)

596 You guys have no idea what is coming now in terms of policy. I can't even begin. We are going get fucked up the ass so hard by these leftists that there is going to be nothing left of business in this country except for some giant Buy-N-Large corporations that play ball with Big Brother. And if you can;t get a job with one of those companies, you are going to be on the dole for the rest of your life. Which will be a short one, because the IPAB is coming.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (qe2/V)

597 Well, now we'll get to see how 8 years of Obama won't improve things over 8 years of Bush.

I'm afraid I don't share all of ya'll's rage/despair because I'm Californian. Already been cynicized by an electorate that loves its failed policies.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (xHaTb)

598 Civil war connotes that the two sides fielded armies. This will be an insurrection. with 50% of the populace as spectators.

More like 1775-1785

And the US military has that history imbedded in its core.
Along with every other insurgency.

The best that could be hoped for would be reforming at some location where almost complete control could be exercised and they just embargoed it and didn't assault.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (SP4jC)

599 West and Mia Love had a pretty good lead... Something is off here...

Plenty is off but it doesn't matter. The guys who won control the justice department, the elections commission and the federal law enforcement.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (r4wIV)

600 Did Bachman survive?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (9+ccr)

601 >>>576
I agree completely, had Akin not opened his mouth I truly believe Romney could have won.

I wouldn't go that far. It certainly didn't help.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (JycCV)

602 Let's see..Bader-Ginsburg and Kennedy will need to be replaced

..ts a good thing we at least have a solid consrvativelike Roberts to steer that ship

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (TbXM5)

603 Hioly shit he is talented.

And I am a real snob about art.

Here is his youtube

http://www.youtube.com/user/BeckoningChasm

Also looks like he has a twitter account.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (r2PLg)

604 I am ashamed of my state (CO) and of my country.

We are well and truly doomed.

The last best hope of the world. Gone. Poof.

Posted by: trapeze at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (CPLlm)

605 I am at the point where I think this was won with fraud. 49-49 is INSANE. I refuse to believe that people vote for Mitt Romney by over 53-54% and then in the same breath vote for Clair McCaskill 54-40%.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (M1gmo)

606 This dimwit blonde on Fox just said something about "no surprises in thew Senate." Huh? What are we - in the Matrix???

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (Mxt9o)

607 18 "Chill, bro. We've got the House. That's quite a lot actually."

The R caucus is going to fracture along at least two lines, Boehner's completely hopeless at leadership, Cantor leads one of the three factions but has zero pull in one other, and the third is chock full o' nuts. And the business community is going to cut the party's nuts off for wasting over a billion dollars.

No country for the old white men party.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (21TJo)

608 most expensive election ever and 30M less voters than 2008?

Posted by: joeindc44 has a D+10 sample for you at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (Z3ckx)

609 Wait till the Supreme Court is totally stocked with communists and gun grabbers

This shit is over

You think John Roberts turned into a simpering twat?
Wait till you take a gander at the SC by 2016.
And these will be new justices, serving for thirty years

If you don't think it's over, you're a fucking idiot.

Posted by: TexasJew at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (lD8ju)

610 Here is his twitter

BeckoningChasm
@BeckoningChasm
Artist, creator, nobody, genius, creativity and imagination personified, impoverished, depressive egotist. Suicidal, ha! Follow me if you're way jaded.
Tennessee · http://beckoningchasm.com

____________fuck.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (r2PLg)

611 "Two words:

Civil.
War.

It may be the only way."

Already happening. On one side is Obama, on the other is math.

Unless Obama fracks the s--t out of shale (and nat. gas powers a mini industrial boom in process), we are headed for a crash. Someone needs to be ready to clean up the mess. Time to start messaging now while we clean up the GOP.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (9bWs4)

612 I'll say I have given up hope.

As far as I'm concerned, I might as well be living in say California. It won't be some absurd MadMax scenario, just an eventual slide that can never be fixed. the Republican party won't be able to address it because we're too concerned with abstract issues like abortion that politicians can't solve anyway.

We live in a Democrat country, better get used to it. The country just showed it so despises our views on social issues that they're are willing to live with a depression and budget defecits that could destroy our currency.

Posted by: Jeepers at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (XDRsa)

613 Those guys in Libya? Fuck them! Bumps in the road! Try to make me responsible! Not with the media on my side! Suck it!

Posted by: Benghazi Barry at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (ypzqs)

614 Renewal of my hatred for Roberts...

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (C4dFv)

615 Just looking at the raw numbers, there wasn't a huge outpouring of
support for Obama. We were right that there wasn't the same enthusiasm
for him as in 2008. Looking state by state, comparing to 2008, his vote
totals are down significantly, even in states that he won. The problem
was, for whatever reason, we way overestimated the enthusiasm for
Romney. Romney performed worse than McCain in these same states except
NC and IN. In one case, merely matching McCain would have flipped Iowa,
and drawn him within striking distance in several other states. I guess
we can surmise that Romney never did make the sale, despite all
indications to the contrary.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (yJYwC)

616 I can see all the comments by people asking if anyone can see their comments. But we may inhabit a parallel universe of invisible jerks.

JERK TEST GO: "Romney lost because he's an unfuckable dweeb and the GOP whiffed the Senate because the ONLY differences between it and the Democrats are rape-baby quotes, Meat Loaf, and the permanent Party/consultant apparatus's corrupt affair with 'self-financing' campaigns by accidentally-rich idiots."

Did the rest of you hear that?

Posted by: oblig. (who's been politely silent) at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (cePv8)

617 @ 433 Same here with my contractor...lower fee if I pay in cash. Same with my hairdresser--he won't take checks or credit cards.

Posted by: the clubfooted unshaven pegleg at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (Q2wni)

618 Jessie Jackson Jr., in rehab, won reelection, and Allen West lost. Chew on that.

Posted by: Tommylotto at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (wHqTo)

619 "I just reject this whole argument that the entire reason the GOP lost is because of the culture war."

I would reject that argument too.

But one among several key reasons appears to have been young low-information female voters being frightened by the idea that Republicans were going to make massive changes to reproductive rights.

Akin and Mourdock played into that as perfectly as could be imagined.

Did that account for all of the margin of victory that Democrats enjoyed here? No. But it was big enough to be a significant part.

Right up to today, voters consistently said that THE ECONOMY was their biggest concern. Akin and Mourdock allowed the narrative to be re-routed away from that with certain key demographics.

Idiocy.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (ymG7s)

620 Oh god, we really are outnumbered by the stupid.


Posted by: Laura at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (UdWas)

621 Good job, tasker. Now what.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (6JMZR)

622 Basic fucking math!

Worked out centuries ago.

Yet it still puzzles your Dear Leader.

Thank God you voted for him.

What would the world do without you?

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (2l+qZ)

623 And the US military has that history imbedded in its core.
Along with every other insurgency.


Sure, we can trust the non coms, we can probably trust most of the troops, and we can trust some of the officers, but all of them? Especially the career climbers, the Kerrys in the ranks, the guys who have an eye on that DoD job and the Pentagon? The guys who treat the military as a career and not service?

I trust them to follow orders from the top like grinning idiots.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (r4wIV)

624 The exit polls are unbelievable. 52% still blame George Bush for the bad economy. How many more years can he use that excuse?

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (KDAAY)

625 619
HAHAHAHA! suck it wing nuts! i hope Breitbart is watching this coverage from hell!!!!!

Posted by: DBear at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (iSRAA)























Fuck you you piece of shit...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (9+ccr)

626 536 "I earned a law degree from a good law school in 2011 that has been worth less than toilet paper. I'm 27 and I live with my parents. I'm unmarried of course. I rarely get interviews even in the same galaxy of my field. When I do, I am always passed over. This country has no future.There's no future that I want to be a part of. If I wasn't a coward, I would have put a bullet in my brain already. I can't imagine being alive in 4 years. Goodbye, this is my last posting. "

Try to calm down a little guy. I'm 26 and live at home as well. Going to grad school for teaching of all things. Yeah, it sucks and yeah this election REALLY sucked. But people have always lived through tough times. The people in Eastern Europe under the Soviets, the 1920s and the Great Depression, and on and on and on. Sometimes you just have to make the best of what you got... Enjoy your family and friends and soldier on.

Posted by: CMS at November 07, 2012 02:14 AM (eNIk8)

627 $7 gas, brace yourself.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 02:14 AM (VMcEw)

628 Oh Yeah...I forgot about that! The Supreme Court!

Open Borders, High Taxes, Forced Abortions, and Gun Bans...should be fun.

I suspect the American people to roll over like a puppy waiting for a treat. Fucking Pathetic!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:14 AM (uvNSk)

629 I encourage - I am serious about this - every hard-working conservative to Go Galt. Tomorrow.

Just up and quit. Drive this whole fucking thing into the ground.

What's the alternative? Busting your ass so you can be denounced by your own government as a privileged winner of life's lottery, a greedy racist who isn't paying his fair share?

Fuck that. Get on food stamps NOW.

Posted by: RJ at November 07, 2012 02:14 AM (QTVh2)

630 536

Stop it. You are 27 years old and you are giving that fuckwit your life. Stop it, please, this toad does not deserve your life.

Posted by: madamex at November 07, 2012 02:14 AM (+kvQd)

631 Holy shit he is talented

Wow, some of that is fanatic!

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 02:14 AM (jhI6f)

632 BTW to all those who believe that this or that comment or occurrence would've meant a Romney win? Here's an old saying;

If they dog had been fast enough, he would've caught the rabbit.

Accept what has happened and don't try to parse to finely the reasons for it. Since there's no do overs, we'll never know what or why made this happen, only guess. It's not really effective for future decision making as the conditions in a future race will be different than now.

Decide what to do to make your life a little easier and more stress free.

Decide how you will meet the coming government intrusion(s).

You don't have much time to make plans.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 02:14 AM (SP4jC)

633 I don't feel well but Allen West lost? This is worse that2008.. The polls were right...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (9+ccr)

634 "The exit polls are unbelievable. 52% still blame George Bush for the bad economy. How many more years can he use that excuse?"

50 years has worked for FDR.

As if Gore had been elected the housing bubble would not have been exactly the same.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (NV30n)

635
I have lost many friends over this guy and family too. The country has lost even more.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (l3vZN)

636 535
Posted by: Mullaney at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (s8XaI) _______ I don't disagree. I guess I just meant don't commit suicide or hit your kids or you wife or your dog cause your upset. I have thought we are going to collapse at some point, no matter who is POTUS. Obama though, is an exceptionally ugly man inside. A petty, criminal, thuggish man, who wants to be a tyrant, and half the country voted for him. I get it.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (opS9C)

637 Depression is insidious. I've fought it hard over and over. But it can come back in a moment. Watch out for each other. Love one another. Kindness may be the way when all else seems black.

I can hear those negative thoughts coming in my mind. You or a loved one might feel the same. Be careful. Watch for it.

I'm glad to see you watch for beckoning chasm. It does my heart that was sinking good.

Posted by: Freemo at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (JLlNK)

638 As Pat F'ing Caddell said, this is all the fault of the media and unless the establishment GOP makes it an issue, we are doomed to failure.

Boycott CBS, NBC, ABC, et all. I'm sorry, you'll have to miss the next installment of 'Captain Firefly Detective' aka 'Castle'.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (JycCV)

639 Algebra!

Scary!

Thank God you voted for the chooming fuckknob who shares your fears about elementary mathematics!

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (2l+qZ)

640 I don't feel well but Allen West lost? This is worse that2008.. The polls were right...

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Please keep saying it over and over and over. It will make him un-lose.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (arczc)

641 Here is his art work I think--



http://beckoningchasm.com/oils1.html


Holy sh*t that's some serious Pickman's Model shit there. BC that's some talent and vision, don't throw it or yourself away. If I had any money and frankly if it didn't scare me I'd love to hang that sh*t up.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (YxaXw)

642 622 There are quite a few people other than dear leader who have math problems. 95% of blacks, per the NAACP, think the government should provide jobs. And as Mark Steyn pointed out, white New Hampshire voted for bigger government.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (KDAAY)

643
Tea Party VALUES is what we need- we need better tea party candidates.
Akin and Mourdock both fell into the same stupid trap- Abortion.
Dipshits. They both took the Santorum path, and tried to out pro life everyone within a 30 mile radius.
Roe v Wade is the law of the land. Period. Done. Senate can't overturn it. Supreme Court can, and if they did- GUESS WHAT? Abortion would still be legal everywhere.
Then it goes to the states.
So why waste time on it? Why go in depth on your heart and feeling? IT DOESN'T MATTER. You may as well give an opinion on how the Yankees will do next year, it would be just as pertinent to your job as a Senator.

Losers. I actually donated to Mourdock, I want my money back.....

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (4ABat)

644
Please keep saying it over and over and over. It will make him un-lose.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (arczc)


Fuck you...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (9+ccr)

645 BOO!

Posted by: 3x + 2y =15 ... but wait, there's more! at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (2l+qZ)

646 "You are right, but there's nowhere left to go.
Demographics is destiny and we are losing ours. It's time to create an
enclave of like-minded people and leave. Form our own union of citizens
and producers.

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (FVp26)"What I'm implying is that you don't have to "go" anywhere.The ideological and voting divide is already geographical. The red counties just need to somehow break free from DC. There is too much area to be policed to make it possible, especially if it all makes a break for freedom at once.

Posted by: BS Inc. at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (P2Ufm)

647
"599West and Mia Love had a pretty good lead... Something is off here...

Plenty is off but it doesn't matter. The guys who won control the justice department, the elections commission and the federal law enforcement."


I'm telling you - the chance of this happening in the Senate is extraordiarily small. How can this be explained? Is every poll being taken heavily skewed against Republicans? Do only Republicans answer the phone? Is there some sort of widespread corruption in counting ballots going on? How would that even be possible? Did some mysteryious "we hate Republican" mania hit the voters all of a sudden, without anybody realizing it? Something doesn't add up.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (Mxt9o)

648 Oh, FULL BRONY! It's time to go FULL BRONY! I've got to get one of those shirts at Hot Topic.

Man!

Posted by: radioactive at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (79KO9)

649 Looks like he has had problems with depression since at least Jan. 5th.

Hence the handle.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (r2PLg)

650 But one among several key reasons appears to have been young low-information female voters being frightened by the idea that Republicans were going to make massive changes to reproductive rights.

And it wouldn't have mattered except that these voters were ignorant fools. And that's where the key problem lies. Not Akin, not Mourdock, but stupid, stupid voters. The stupidity, gullibility, and credulity of voters is what did it.

And, I'm convinced, very careful massaging of numbers by the people reporting districts.

I mean, how many examples did we see in just the last month of Democrats lying outrageously about numbers to help Obama? But this time we can trust them.

Seriously, does anybody really believe Romney did worse than McCain in the popular vote? Really?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (r4wIV)

651 Allen West was always a little too much. I'm sure his replacement will be far worse, but come off as reasonable.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (NV30n)

652 Oh yeah, FYI for both libertarians and social conservatives (particularly those who didn't vote for Romey):

The lesson of the 2012 election is: OBAMA won. OBAMA POLICY won. OBAMA CAMPAIGN won.

Those who wanted to "give a lesson to the GOP"? The lesson is anyone (given the MSM) will receive is: if you want to win the USA for generations to come--

BE MORE LIKE OBAMA.

*FUCK* anyone who did not vote for Romney against Obama.


Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (tUcg9)

653 Whether or not it happened, it's still a nightmare.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (kaalw)

654 All I know is no one should cross Empire of Jeff tomorrow. That would be like taking a nap inside a woodchipper.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (AZGON)

655 @633

No way this country is that stupid! I'd believe fraud over that BS

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (uvNSk)

656
I don't know nothing about nothing except this....

I Have Lived To See A Damn Statistical Oddity of Gargantuan Portions.

Something akin to 5 million people all picking the same lottery numbers and winning.

Again, not claiming anything, just something highly against the odds.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (PHb2k)

657 Fuck you...

------

No fuck you. You've been repeating yourself for an hour, simply getting on everyone else's nerves who also are upset Allen West lost.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (arczc)

658 who cares? we alls gots free healthcare and frees fones and frees monies!!11!!!1!!
Right?

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (AREf/)

659 >>>640 Please keep saying it over and over and over. It will make him un-lose.

The cocks are coming from INSIDE YOUR ASS!!!

Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (JycCV)

660 The reason it's "the end", sandwich-board fashion, is not losing an election. It's rampant fraud, governing by EOs and regulations, lawbreaking agencies and politicians, and THE LAWBREAKERS ARE IN CHARGE and there's no one else left to oppose them.

Your vote *may* have mattered this time, with better turn out.

But if there are no consequences, next time it *won't* matter.

Shit, as far as I can tell, we're going to take even the military ballot shenanigans laying down.

I can scream, call, write letters - the sad fact is somebody with more pull has to DO SOMETHING. I can try to back them but only a handful of them follow up.

I don't even have the resources to buy a fucking bus ticket across the country to hold up a sign the MFM will keep their cameras away from.

We don't have more than a handful of advocates, and the other side could really give a shit about rules.

I don't believe for a second there wasn't massive vote fraud, some of them were caught, others made asses of themselves trying to avoid getting caught, and others bragged about doing it.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (bxiXv)

661 "But one among several key reasons appears to have been young low-information female voters being frightened by the idea that Republicans were going to make massive changes to reproductive rights."

My little sister.

She doesn't know anything about economics. She's a grad student for like forever.

And she only posted rape stuff on Facebook.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (NV30n)

662 If I had any money and frankly if it didn't scare me I'd love to hang that sh*t up.
Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 02:16

___________

Ya--he's got some other stuff...more mainstream it looks like.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (r2PLg)

663 You know what? There are now 30 states with Republican governors. There's a net gain of two states that voted for the R over the D this time. Look at the map, look where economic freedom is hanging on. Newly minted fiscal conservatives will vote with their feet and their stomachs over the next few years, and some of them will be accepted in states where their skills will be rewarded. But one thing we're not going to need in any of those states is coal miners. You folks in PA and OH can just suck on that.

Posted by: letitbeme at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (4uDUj)

664 FUCK

Posted by: snoop dogg's index finger at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (Mj4Zt)

665 @654

I'm a Structural Engineer you piece of Shit! WTF do you do that so impressive scumbag?

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (uvNSk)

666 I expect the economy will continue to be ignored by Barky. The fundamental change "forward" he's seeking requires that the America we love be destroyed.

Barky learned well from his commie mentors, including and especially his mother.

He studied Stanley Ann, and what motivated her, and he really figured out how to pitch his "awesomeness" to ignorant white women who like to sleep around with men who are exotic.

Stanley Ann was the model for the way Barky ran this campaign, and how to appeal to today's Stanley Ann's. Hence all the campaigning on Teh View and other assorted trash shows.


Posted by: Boots at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (neKzn)

667 FUCK YOU AKIN.

I honestly believe this was the single most damaging event for Romney in the entire campaign.

AKIN.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (tUcg9)

668 I can't imagine being alive in 4 years. Goodbye, this is my last posting.
Posted by: Naes


Are you nuts? You want them laughing about this on Kos?

Buy a gun.
Stay.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (+paCV)

669 656

I don't know nothing about nothing except this....

I Have Lived To See A Damn Statistical Oddity of Gargantuan Portions.

Something akin to 5 million people all picking the same lottery numbers and winning.

Again, not claiming anything, just something highly against the odds.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (PHb2k)


No shit! Why not even 1 story about a machine changing vote from D to R? That shit would have been in front of the SCOTUS inside 10 hours.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (AREf/)

670 Thanks Tasker, Ben and Freemo.

this just sucks.

Posted by: not the mama at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (kzCIn)

671 637 Depression is insidious. I've fought it hard over and over. But it can come back in a moment. Watch out for each other. Love one another. Kindness may be the way when all else seems black.

I can hear those negative thoughts coming in my mind. You or a loved one might feel the same. Be careful. Watch for it.

I'm glad to see you watch for beckoning chasm. It does my heart that was sinking good.
Posted by: Freemo at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (JLlNK)

___________

Stress right?

Also probably the blindsiding tonight.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (r2PLg)

672 You know, I spent the weeks before this election in Switzerland. Its a nice country and the French seem to think of it as a acceptable economic asylum on their flight from socialism.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (bonPh)

673 I'm 26 years old. I haven't been able to get a job in 3 years, even though I've tried as hard as I can... I dunno how much longer I can keep going here, honestly.

Can't get a foothold.

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (appbn)

674
643...white New Hampshire voted for bigger government.
They need to change their state motto away from "Live Free or Die" to something along the lines of "give me free stuff before I cry"
New Englanders in general are on my "hit with a brick" list....

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (4ABat)

675
National Barn of Hanover, Pennsylvania? Yeah, well it looks like we won't be putting up that building after all this year.


Not a joke either. I'm going to scab on a lean-to on an existing building and say to hell with looks or utility. Welcome to the '70s.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (l3vZN)

676 Basic mathematics has no place in Obama's Society.

You fucking racist.

Posted by: Elementary Math is for Homos! at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (2l+qZ)

677 Oh my fuck I went over to youtube to watch 80s cartoons and I come back and Allen West?!? Noooooooo!

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (20NzC)

678 If Obama dropped dead tomorrow, would we really have to suffer through 4 years of Biden?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (C4dFv)

679 Sorry if I'm repeating my self, but those hallowed polls that were so right that West and Love at pretty comfortable leads.. Sorry if I'm concerned but WTF happened?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (9+ccr)

680 Okay I'm not gonna gild the lily... but we're fucked...


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (9+ccr)
The part I enjoy is fucking dimbulbs like DBear at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (iSRAA) are along for the ride as well just to stupid to realize it.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (1PE/J)

681 How do we get Obama and dems to take the blame for the coming economic shit storm when Republicans still have the house? Or will that be Bush's fault?

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (KDAAY)

682 BeckoningChasm:

I just checked out your website. Really cool stuff! I'm a substitute Art Teacher for the next couple months and would like to hear your thoughts about a really interesting project I could give my class instead of the stupid 3rd world "magazine circle" baskets the regular (lib I'm sure lol) teacher has the class making. I lurk most everyday so I look forward to chatting with you about it tomorrow.

Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (/Rruc)

683 People here kept on calling me an Eeyore.

Turns out I was a Pollyanna.

This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (sZTYJ)

684 574 Allen West lost. The whole fucking world has gone upside down
Posted by: Helen at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM
-----------------
this really is a disaster. people can't handle being told the truth.

Posted by: razor419 at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (68i8t)

685 I Have Lived To See A Damn Statistical Oddity of Gargantuan Portions.

Something akin to 5 million people all picking the same lottery numbers and winning.


yeah... something like that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (r4wIV)

686 This is a head in the sand, keep the money coming, we're doing okay on SSDI/Food Stamps/school loans movement.

Remember all those tweets "Romney is going to take away my food stamps?"

People prefer shitty security to having a job.

Ass those people to some moderates and dems, and you have an unassailable majority/

8% unemployment is a feature not a bug.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (NV30n)

687 Feeling numb myself. I'll decide what to do after I've had some sleep. You did everything you possibly could, but some things, like Mother Nature, were out of anyone's control. Get some rest, and work on strategy tomorrow. TC.

Posted by: I'd Rather Be Surfin at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (UP6tB)

688 This the way the nation ends
Not with a man but a simpleton

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (AZGON)

689 Optimizer - The math doesn't add up. In a lot of cases.

I guess the math was never supposed to add up. Not enough people understand it.

I'm going to check out myself. I've been jealous for awhile of the low information voter, who just wanders through life not carrying about what comes next. I think I will try it out.

We've said for awhile that at least we would know the country was lost. Now we know. Such an opportunity squandered.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (dX4hn)

690 So, are we all stuck with obamacare?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (C4dFv)

691 If you're a white, working class American male, you're now politically irrelevant in National politics.

Posted by: PelosiSchmelosi at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (oBrP/)

692 654 All I know is no one should cross Empire of Jeff tomorrow. That would be like taking a nap inside a woodchipper.
Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (AZGON)

_______________

Damn--that just makes me want to do it.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (r2PLg)

693 FUCK IT!!
Bring on the Myan, BICHEZ!!!!

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (AREf/)

694 Depression is a fucking bastard. It gets its claws into you and warps things. Makes you think about death, death, death, death, death, death, death. And comparatively, those are the fun thoughts. But it's treatable and you can come out of it and barely remember what it felt like.

That's what you can't see from inside the bubble. You just feel nothing. Empty. Disconnected. Isolated. Like there's 360 degrees of glass between you and the rest of the world. And it's NOT REAL. It's chemical and can be fixed. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. You just need to hit a switch, and boom you can feel normal again.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (6JMZR)

695 We are all despondent.

We are all tired.

We are all cranky.

Let's sleep on it after finishing off our valu-rite and start plotting a real comeback in the upcoming days.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (sZTYJ)

696 Just to get this out of my system:
Our Prez is a manipulating corrupt piece of smug shit.

*thinks a moment*

Nah. I'm still pissed.

Posted by: wankette at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (qNhTJ)

697 Hello, America!

Have we met?

Nice to see you. Now bend over.

Posted by: Throbbing Warcock Of Simple Fucking Math at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (2l+qZ)

698 I wish Chris Taylor was wrong... He's not. It's every man/woman/it for himself. And this will be the last election that I strive to vote within the R "mainstream", whatever that is. Fuck it.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (QBSp1)

699 I look forward to Ross Douthat, Catholic reactionary extraordinaire at the NYT, debunking what I'm sure the meme will be that if only Romney had been Gary Johnson on social issues he would've won easily

economic populism, is what i'm thinking for the future. note: this does not have to mean Obamanomics/leftwingery, and indeed shouldn't.

i'm not saying #WarOnWomen wasn't a factor BTW. _the_ factor though? doubt it

Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (8HhF2)

700 It's almost as if God is sending us a message.

We (and our parents the so called great generation) allowed this country to depart from it's righteous ways. To murder the unborn, to praise and applaud the decadent and perverted to worship money to the exclusion of almost everything else.

We allowed our representatives to accede to sinful ways and refuse to stand against them.

It's been going on since the '50's.

Our comeuppance is at hand. Perhaps God is being merciful by removing the righteous from the levers of power in government so as to keep them from harm and the cries of the mob.

This has all been foretold by our spiritual leaders and by prophets in the past yet we and others ignored the warnings.

Now the time is at hand for judgment to be meted out on this country.

may God have mercy on us.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (SP4jC)

701 can someone explain Ohio ? I am not from there but wtf is going on there? autobailouts and what ? I knew VA and FL were in danger when Mitt kept going back there

Posted by: daniel at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (s3RKL)

702 mia love lost

Posted by: razor419 at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (68i8t)

703 The problem with the GOP is it is losing the language war, and therefore the message is not fully effective.





Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (9bWs4)
So true. People worry about the economy, hate Obamacare, then they re-elect the guy it was named after?
Let's face it; we're not over race. People wanted to give the nice black man with the nice family another shot. I have so many friends who oohed and aahed over how nice it was to have a handsome black man as President (or some permutation of that).So we let people call us racist, we didn't push on things like Benghazi because we didn't want to be called racists, and we didn't do a good job of making people understand the fiscal cliff we are about to fall off of. We have idiots like Hannity who are good at regurgitating talking points but don't really challenge Dems sufficiently with logic and intelligence. We also don't have a backbone and are too tentative in what we believe in. Paul Ryan isn't that kind of guy, which was one of the reasons I was proud to support the ticket.
So now we're stuck with another 4 years of EO's and at least another 2 of no Senate budgets. Frabjoyous day.

Posted by: Linlithgow at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (Gim9y)

704 I wonder if Romney was a WASP instead of a Mormon, could he have pulled it off? I think so.

But if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, everyday would be Halloween.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (VMcEw)

705 God told us to go fuck our selves? I don't think so...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (9+ccr)

706 I emailed Akin way back when to tell him to get out of the race.

I instead ended up on his mailing list - what a douche.

I wonder if now that God has revealed that he's just not all the into Akin whether he will kill himself.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (NV30n)

707 >>> People here kept on calling me an Eeyore.

>>> Turns out I was a Pollyanna.

I know how you feel.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (SKX2R)

708 I don't think this is going to have a good ending, once this reality sinks in

Posted by: TexasJew at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (lD8ju)

709 may God have mercy on us.

I think we've used up all the mercy He had to offer.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (r4wIV)

710 671 Tasker. Yeah. Stress. My husbands was laid off as an engineer 18 months ago. Now he works at a gas station. We thought Romney being elected would allow us to get our feet under us. It was totally blindsiding. If I didn't have him it would be so much worse.

So I know what people are going through and it's scary. I just hope people are finding some support or comfort here.

Posted by: Freemo at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (JLlNK)

711 668 Buy a gun.
Stay.
-
Put a stripe on that soldier's shoulder; he has the right attitude.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (1QsHl)

712 How the fuck can we let the functionally, illiterate, retards out cheat us??
I mean, seriously! Have you fucking seen or talked to a JEF voter? Pull out your keys and shake them, or ask a 3rd grade math question and they go blank. How the fuck did they cheat on a NATIONAL scale?

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (AREf/)

713 I'm wondering if we should just stop paying on my mortgage and just foreclose. I am at the point where I want to just quit my job and just go on welfare. Why should I care about any of this anymore?? Fuck all of them. They wanted this, THEY CAN HAVE IT.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (M1gmo)

714 From now on claim your 1/32nd black or indian. Reap those affirmative action awards. It worked for fakeahautos and obama. Let them prove that you're not.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (C4dFv)

715 695 We are all despondent.

We are all tired.

We are all cranky.

Let's sleep on it after finishing off our valu-rite and start plotting a real comeback in the upcoming days.
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (sZTYJ)

__________________

Yep--good idea.\

I'm off to bed.

First though--the longbow and cross bow thing.


...which might just undo us all till 2016.

Good night guys and gals.

Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (r2PLg)

716 Mia Love lost in Utah? I guess the US really loves them some obama...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (9+ccr)

717 650, the raw numbers are showing just that. What's not to believe?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (yJYwC)

718 >>> can someone explain Ohio ?

Has 1% lower unemployment than the rest of the country due to the auto bailout.

PLUS when Obama gets all the west coast and Hawaii votes counted, he'll win the popular vote as well as the electoral college. Ohio is the quintessential bellwether state.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (SKX2R)

719 Green jobs!

All Hail Obama!

Your hilariously-failed policies will assuredly find success in the future, by repeating them on a grander scale! A Nation Of Fuckknobs Gives Me Hope!

Posted by: Waterhouse, getting into the spirit of fhings at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (2l+qZ)

720 How the fuck did they cheat on a NATIONAL scale?

They didn't have to. All that had to be done was to get the numbers of alleged counted votes handed out by the SoS for key states to say what they wanted them to say and Romney concedes. Now its just academic what the real numbers were. Who's going to even look?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (r4wIV)

721 Grandpa, tell me the story about America again.
Shhh..the guards will hear you.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (BAnPT)

722 Don't know if you saw it on the previous thread, but I owe you an apology Samwise.

I lashed out at you the other night, I was wrong, and I apologize.

Posted by: Nightowl at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (qpstS)

723 So there was a landslide..... to Obama...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (9+ccr)

724 There was a 15 point gap between what Akin got and what Romney got in Missouri. I knew Akin was going to lose, but I suspected it might be a little closer than polls said because people didn't want to admit it. Nope. He got his dumb ass kicked by a lady the state hates, and this was about the most certain pickup we had.



Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (UvR6d)

725 I didn't leave the US - the US left me.

Posted by: Soon 2B Saying Goodbye at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (ypzqs)

726 can someone explain Ohio ?

------

Full of fucking idiots that are still pissed at John Kasich for trying to do something about the unions, thus poisoning the well for the GOP in this state.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (arczc)

727 Some people must have figured that it would be easier if crashed quickly...I guess!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (uvNSk)

728 616 "we may inhabit a parallel universe of invisible jerks"

Yup.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (21TJo)

729 " I've been jealous for awhile of the low information voter, who just wanders through life not carrying about what comes next. I think I will try it out."

Me too. Maybe I will become one of those libertarians that just doesn't care and votes his own little party.

Why not? Even when we team up the social cons, its not enough to stop the statists + idiots.

Or maybe I will go socialist - but argue for smart, effective socialism - EAst German vs. Albanian.,..

Mostly, back to work. Work, work, work.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (NV30n)

730 673I'm 26 years old. I haven't been able to get a job in 3 years, even though I've tried as hard as I can... I dunno how much longer I can keep going here, honestly.

Can't get a foothold.
Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (appbn)LOL Brother, I got laid off 1 month to the day after Obama got elected- been doing okay working odd jobs and contract work. Hadn't had a period of unemployment on my job history in 15 years. Welcome to the world your peers are creating for you- your age group loves this disaster of a President. Is it because he hangs with Jay-Z? Or his stellar appearances on the Comedy Channel?Glad you are awake, and good luck.You are a rarity in your failed generation.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (4ABat)

731
Full of fucking idiots that are still pissed at
John Kasich for trying to do something about the unions, thus poisoning
the well for the GOP in this state.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (arczc)

And Florida?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (9+ccr)

732 Oh, Gabe, who predicted a loss, was in truth a Pollyanna.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (SKX2R)

733 The real message of this election is doing the right thing, working hard, telling the truth, paying your taxes and bills, and contributing is for suckers. Lie, steal, blow off taxes, take more credit than you can afford, do a crappy job, and you too can keep your house and get gubmint cheese to go with it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (r4wIV)

734 Posted by: Naes at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (r4dYV)

Cheer up bro, hang a shingle and try solo practice.

Life goes On

Posted by: AHFF at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (Co70e)

735 On the bright side, I guess now I can claim disability since I am murderously angry and have a wife and 2 small children in the house.
That's got to be worth like 3-4,000 a month, right? I could take up smoking if that adds a couple hundred bucks to the kitty.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (AREf/)

736 451 And...69.5 million voted for SCOAMF in 2008, and he's at 50.5M
now.so.what is different. Did 30M voters die? No, Romney's GOTV sucks.


Actually, it was incredibly close in a handful of the swing states that Romney lost.

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (YjDyJ)

737 Note to self:

Do not accept Ambassador posting to "fragile" nation "dreaming of democracy".

Posted by: Waterhouse, adapting to ObamaLand at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (2l+qZ)

738 People prefer shitty security to having a job.

This is precisely the nebulous beast we can't fight, because it's diffused among a vast electorate. I think of it as the "good enough" syndrome. A few EBT cards and free foot exams at the public free clinic are "good enough," so long as they're guaranteed and free. The bulk of mankind will settle for astonishingly little so long as it is free and made a solemn promise.

Liberty in one sense is the cheapest of commodities, because so many sell it so cheaply.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (AZGON)

739 @723

Apparently...which tells me that the winner was known well before the election season started.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (uvNSk)

740 NB:

Some of those most eager to deliver to an "I told you so"
have to accept some of their OWN responsibility.

Anyone who didn't vote for Romney against Obama-- that by itself (IMO) invalidates your criticism.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (tUcg9)

741 101
Yes we may have the house. But who do you think it going to be blamed
when things go bad. The republicans in the house for not playing along.
You know what the people will believe it. It will always be the
republicans fault no matter what because none of the republicans will
fight back.


Posted by: Wi Lurker at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (9pqWr)

Apologies. Late to the wake. Let them. Let them vote out the R's because of it, and the D's can own it all. There is not a clear path to recovery now. Why waste any cred the GOP has left in stalling the inevitable. Let those sorry bastards own the history of the downfall of these once-great united states and the descendency of the world into the next great war. I am tired of being the only thing that stands between them and the consequences for their folly. I love my countrymen, but you cannot save a suicidal people from themselves. My family will be fine. Take care of your own.

Posted by: Flounder at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (Kkt/i)

742
This made me feel better:
http://tinyurl.com/cwh43b

Nite morons.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (8cOY0)

743 >>>I know how you feel.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

No, people keep calling you a troll because you are an obnoxious asshole.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (C4dFv)

744 Does this election now make Netanyahu the Leader of the Free World?

Posted by: Jmel at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (c+D8V)

745 And, p.s., your wife is unbearable.

Posted by: wankette at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (qNhTJ)

746 >>> I'm 26 years old. I haven't been able to get a job in 3 years, even though I've tried as hard as I can... I dunno how much longer I can keep going here, honestly.

Do this instead of what you're currently doing:

http://goo.gl/MiT3x

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (SKX2R)

747 See ya Bachmann

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (sCI7M)

748 I am very disturbed reading the despairing comments from the 26 and 27 year olds. Please stop. Look - this too shall pass. Lots of people like my Dad (I am 60) who had a very good college degree did shit jobs during the depression - he worked as a rough neck in the oil fields. Just get any job you can - build your human capital, read, learn, develop all your skills. Get a mentor. But please don't give up.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (KDAAY)

749 I'm sorry, but something is seriously wrong with the election results. Obama is off by almost 15 million votes of his 2008 total and Romney is off by almost 5 million votes with a greater level of excitement than 2008? Mia Love, who was leading big at the end, looks like she might lose. Allen West, a leader and hero, goes down to a nobody.

These results don't make sense. Someone explain to me what's going on.

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (FVp26)

750 Damn we just lost the national championship game and it sure has a bunch of consequences.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (nwHKt)

751 gonna have to become a gun smith because the fucking things are too expensive and soon they will be outlawed.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (AREf/)

752 618
Jessie Jackson Jr., in rehab, won reelection, and Allen West lost. Chew on that.

Posted by: Tommylotto at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (wHqTo)

That confirms what I've suspected... we've turned the corner.A lying, scheming racist shitbag who is TOTAL product of the Chicago Machine and Race Hustlers wins where a straight talking, America loving Patriot is booted from office.Sorry folks, I don't think there's anyway out of this insanity other than through collapse and ultimately violence.I wish it didn't have to be this way, but I'll be damned if I can see any path forward that doesn't include both.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (pR0/y)

753 And WTF do we keep the House?

I do not understand that.

Have the house, Dems.

Go wild.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (NV30n)

754 So, we actually need a world war, don't we? Something to pull us out of this with this dumb fuck in the office ala FDR getting saved by WWII? Sad, but that's about the only hope now.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (arczc)

755

Or maybe I will go socialist - but argue for smart, effective socialism - EAst German vs. Albanian.,..
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (NV30n)

Why not North Korean? Sure, the food rations are smaller, but it would get end all the whining about obesity in America.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (4ABat)

756 700 It's almost as if God is sending us a message.



Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (SP4jC)


God's not on our side, 'cuz God hates idiots.

Posted by: Blondie at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (jKE+Z)

757 710 671 Tasker. Yeah. Stress. My husbands was laid off as an engineer 18 months ago. Now he works at a gas station. We thought Romney being elected would allow us to get our feet under us. It was totally blindsiding. If I didn't have him it would be so much worse.

So I know what people are going through and it's scary. I just hope people are finding some support or comfort here.
Posted by: Freemo at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (JLlNK)

_________________

Okay--saw your response before I signed off.

I think we now know why Ann Romney was...

Well.

She heard the stories...

We are going to have to take this one day at a time.

Maybe one hour at a time.

If I didn't have him it would be so much worse.

Yes--you are lucky.

The economy is going to stress a lot of marriages.

Hang in there--and thanks for trying to help us.



Posted by: tasker at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (r2PLg)

758 >>> No, people keep calling you a troll because you are an obnoxious asshole.

I guess kindness is in short supply.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (SKX2R)

759
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (ZPrif)
68 What is the point of America? It's just a place now. It's meaningless.

Son, you need to go back and read the Constitution. America is not just a place. It's the birthplace of individual liberty. Snap the hell out of it. There's a big fight ahead and you'd damned well better be ready for it.

Posted by: YFS at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (zTBag)

760 #615, As I feared. The Rick Santorum voters stayed home, in Iowa for sure and probably in Ohio as well.


We have to think about building a winning coalition without them. They don't care about anything but abortion, and nobody is perfect enough for them on that. Karl Rove got them to show up once, in 2004.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (qe2/V)

761 I guess the model going forward will be France and Norway. High tax burden and the soft tyranny of government. The permanent under class with the hope for upward mobility gone for ever.

The Socons might as well get used to it now. The culture is lost, and they will not be allowed retain their religious beliefs. Hedonism and a culture of death is coming and it is not stoppable.

As for the productive? Crony capitalism is the model in Europe and will be here. If you are one of the preferred businesses, you will do well. Otherwise, you will live hand to mouth until you finally move onto the dole.

Time to embrace the new reality. We hoped the country still had its pioneering spark, but that is now gone.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 02:31 AM (dX4hn)

762 The funny thing is, Canada is moving in the opposite direction, away from the crap Obama wants and toward freedom.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:31 AM (r4wIV)

763 After the swatting attempts happened to others, I'm reminded how good an idea it is to get to know local law enforcement for the myriad number of future scenarios.

Posted by: derit at November 07, 2012 02:31 AM (I88Jc)

764 620 "Oh god, we really are outnumbered by the stupid."

... course, it COULD be more accurate to say 'we really are numbered among the stupid'.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 07, 2012 02:31 AM (21TJo)

765 749
I'm sorry, but something is seriously wrong with the election results.
Obama is off by almost 15 million votes of his 2008 total and Romney is
off by almost 5 million votes with a greater level of excitement than
2008? Mia Love, who was leading big at the end, looks like she might
lose. Allen West, a leader and hero, goes down to a nobody.



These results don't make sense. Someone explain to me what's going on.

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (FVp26)

_________Idiots come out and vote in Presidential election years.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 02:31 AM (sCI7M)

766 691 If you're a white, working class American male, you're now politically irrelevant in National politics.
-
Exactly.

It is the historic task of the Republican Party to make white, working class American males more numerous, wealthier and more powerful.

The Republican Party has never tried to do that, because its attitude as been that it's for "everybody" but really nobody, and besides John McCain's Mexican hordes are coming to the rescue any day now.

It has to try now, otherwise it has no future.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (1QsHl)

767 733 The real message of this election is doing the right thing, working hard, telling the truth, paying your taxes and bills, and contributing is for suckers.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (r4wIV)


You're just now getting this?

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (bxiXv)

768 Does this election now make Netanyahu the Leader of the Free World?

Nah, there is no Free World any more. Just varying degrees of Failing Math.

Posted by: Waterhouse, adapting to ObamaLand at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (2l+qZ)

769 BeckoningChasm, post again so we know you're okay.

Life is bigger than politics.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (QTHTd)

770 726 Rich,

Good luck. I have made up my mind my Ohio driver's license is getting retired tomorrow I will send a registered letter to the secretary of State declaring myself an Indianan and am encouraging the spouse to do the same.

Ohio wants to be New Detroit so be it not on my dime.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (LRFds)

771 @730 Been this way since I was 20... going straight to college and actually having to work to pay for my own things helped foster a sense of independence.

But, for a while now, I've been having to rely on the help of my friends... and I'm tired of being a burden.

I just don't know what to do. Getting rid of Obama was my last hope, I'm afraid.

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (appbn)

772 These results don't make sense. Someone explain to me what's going on.

Fraud. Fraud on an unprecedented scale.

And yet... we're (politically) powerless before that tsunami of fraud.

Very, very, very depressing.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (tUcg9)

773 Yes, Canada has become free-er than America.

Its sad for us, but go Canada.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (NV30n)

774 If you have money leave the country. Get out. Obama will run this like Kwame Fitzpatrick ran Detroit. Only with less skill. Reparations for Slavery, Carbon Taxes, Gas at $10 a gallon, free abortion, pretty much the whole thing is coming.

America is dead. Its over. Its not coming back. You can't come back from having Half or more of Mexico move in through fiat amnesty. The Republican Party is DEAD DEAD DEAD.

It wasn't the hurricane, or the media, or Chris Christie, or Bloomberg, or any of that. Romney was a good candidate. He fought the only way he could on the economy. But most White women ARE Stanley Ann Dunham. That's about 60% of White women ages 18-45. Easily. Add 1/4 of Mexico here already and you've got instant Obama victory.

There is no answer. Just flight. Unless you want to just get mowed down like the Cole/Younger gang at Deerfield. Leave. If you can. If you can't ... well your life as a White man (a White woman its easier) is basically that of a Jew in Weimar Germany, save those with connections and power.

Posted by: whiskey at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (L03mw)

775 >>>I guess kindness is in short supply.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd a

Since when is your trolling kindness, asshole? FOAD

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (C4dFv)

776 Well we can all be happy that when the shit hits the fan we can say we didn't vote for obama.. Yeah that will make me feel better...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (9+ccr)

777 I'm not saying that. But there is this idea that "Tea Party" principle requires almost daring voters to vote for you, running on your least palatable positions rather than saying "As a personal matter I believe X, but I understand that the country isn't there yet."

Except that Akin was not a TP candidate; he beat candidates endorsed by Palin and TPE in his primary.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (OevbG)

778 Ayn Rand was so fucking right

Posted by: TexasJew at November 07, 2012 02:33 AM (lD8ju)

779 America is not just a place. It's the birthplace of individual liberty.

And now, its tomb.

Time to embrace the new reality. We hoped the country still had its pioneering spark, but that is now gone.

Yeah, a generation or two ago we still had some momentum but now? There was a slim glimmer of a hope as the guys came back from the war on terror and home schooled kids grew up but... too little, too late. The culture is rotted entirely from the inside.

Again: a republic cannot survive without virtue. Once we abandoned virtue, the collapse was inevitable, unless somehow, some way we could regain it. We didn't.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:33 AM (r4wIV)

780 766
I very rarely post here,

_____________


Keep it that way

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 02:33 AM (sCI7M)

781 766 CallMeBC,

Fuck you. You're an asshole and a mooch.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (LRFds)

782 726 Rich,

Good luck. I have made up my mind my Ohio driver's license is getting retired tomorrow I will send a registered letter to the secretary of State declaring myself an Indianan and am encouraging the spouse to do the same.

Ohio wants to be New Detroit so be it not on my dime.

---------

When I'm done law school, I'm out. Let the state rot. In 8 years it won't matter so much when it's only worth 12 electoral votes.

Posted by: Rich at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (arczc)

783
So gop cranks out guv seats, loses senate seats. 50 million people split their vote.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (PHb2k)

784 Only chicagoans would elect a certifiable nut case to congress. I loved how after he was caught out partying with lobbyists, he hurried his black ass back to the nut house.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (C4dFv)

785 No way this country is that stupid! I'd believe fraud over that BS

****

On occasion I spend some time talking to the some of the lowest paid people at my work and guess what...This country IS THAT FUCKING STOOPID!!!

One guy was telling me (just the other day) about a video that would change my perception of everything. After a few minutes I realized he was talking about "Loose Change".

I overheard a conversation a while back where 5 people concluded that the government should print more money so there would be more money to go around.

A liberal chick at work who actually has a college degree (a worthless one) said if Romney gets elected he is going to force everyone to go to church.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (SkyIE)

786 762

Ironic, isn't it. Canada's never really been all that bad, not compared to Europe and especially not compared to any place in SA, ME, or Africa, and most of Asia as well.

Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (BgIBZ)

787 748
I, respectfully, disagree. The time for despair is at hand. My company in Green Bay will be issuing layoff notices shortly. It's not like it was or ever has been. On the bright side, free shit for everyone! Well, not everyone...

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (QBSp1)

788 712 How the fuck can we let the functionally, illiterate, retards out cheat us??
I mean, seriously! Have you fucking seen or talked to a JEF voter? Pull out your keys and shake them, or ask a 3rd grade math question and they go blank. How the fuck did they cheat on a NATIONAL scale?
Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (AREf/)]


Elementary.

We don't cheat.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (HKONC)

789 The much, much, much and then some better man won tonight.

Oh yes, because the future does not belong to those who denigrate Islam.

Enjoy your future, you fucking fascist cock.

Hail Obama!

Posted by: Waterhouse, adapting to ObamaLand at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (2l+qZ)

790 Miss me yet?

Posted by: John McCain at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (Ks4nX)

791 A few months ago I put a ring tone on my phone one day when I was pissed off. It's some French commie bitch, Rosalie or something, singing the "Internationale", the socialist/marxist anthem. I started to change it but now I'm keeping it. Somehow it fits.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (KDAAY)

792 Yes, Akin was not a tea party candidate. His big ad in the primary was a Huckabee endorsement. The tea party doesn't deserve that one hung on its neck.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (UvR6d)

793 NJ Rob - 749
I'm sorry, but something is seriously wrong with the election results.
Obama is off by almost 15 million votes of his 2008 total and Romney is
off by almost 5 million votes with a greater level of excitement than
2008? _________Yeah, it does not make sense to me, but I am tired and can only think of cheating or mass despondency as an answer.

Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (opS9C)

794 Will the last person with money in California please turn out the lights on your way out?


Jerry Brown has finally won. After 34 years he has effectively overturned Proposition 13. It's all he ever dreamed of.


We are soooooo done, folks.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (qe2/V)

795 and it looks like Mia Love is losing in Utah

Posted by: chemjeff at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (d/5qf)

796 791 No, you worthless poseur. Keep your useless grandstanding mug off Fox News.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (KDAAY)

797 There is no answer. Just flight.

Sure there is. Stay where you are and focus locally. Ignore the rest of the nation, and batten down the hatches, there's a storm coming and you have to be ready. Be there for your family, for your friends, for your neighbors. Be there for your church. Stay and work for them, and let the rest of the nation go to hell, where its going anyway.

You're right, reparations and the rest are all coming, its a guarantee. Obama's going to forgive college loans and mortgages and keep borrowing nonexistent money from the fed to pay the treasury to pay for it all.

But that's all above our heads now. Just stay low and take care of your own. There's nowhere else to run. This is it: America was the end of the line.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (r4wIV)

798 So the fundamental demographic shift that will keep Democrats in the WH forever that they bragged about in '08 is reality. Which means secession is the only answer.

Posted by: holygoat at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (IGIFh)

799 539 "Watching Bill Whittle on Ustream and he is talking about social change in societies happens before political change. I think that is right, and realize that happened prior to 2008."

I would argue that the social change happened sometime between 1996-2004, but that Bush winning 43% of the Latino vote shuttered us to the true effects of that social and demographic change

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (w4fEE)

800 SoCallMeButtCrack?

Posted by: TexasJew at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (lD8ju)

801 >>> Since when is your trolling kindness, asshole? FOAD

Read all of my comments on this thread and get back to me.

I'll restate my original position: kindness is in short supply.

Further, I'll add that I rarely began attacks, but was attacked, often viciously, by dozens of people, who usually had no reason for it other than I was saying something they emotionally couldn't deal with and accept, that things aren't as rosy as they hoped. Plus providing reasons for my views.

Once attacked, I sometimes pushed back, sometimes hard, sometimes softly. More often I ignored it completely because I simply couldn't (and had no reason to) get back to the volume of ridiculous and often severe attacks directed your way.

Such as yours, where you called upon me to "FOAD".

On THIS thread. At THIS time.

As I said. Read my comments on this thread, then get back to me, Walker.

At the moment, you don't seem like a very decent or kind person. Hopefully I'm mistaken, but I'm not as hopeful on that score as I wish.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (SKX2R)

802
the D's can own it all.
Posted by: Flounder




Nope, sorry. Boehner already called the election tonight "a mandate for both parties to find common ground and take steps together to help our economy grow and create jobs". The Republicans are going to traipse up the ramp and go down the sluice once again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (kdS6q)

803 Well we can all be happy that when the shit hits the
fan we can say we didn't vote for obama.. Yeah that will make me feel
better...


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (9+ccr)


Adding to the bonus to the financial illiterates who voted for this 7th grade math wiz wondering what's happening?

Posted by: YIKES! at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (1PE/J)

804 Some of you suck at math. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The natural condition of man is poverty.

If the GOP can stop being stupid, it will win and win big. Winning the language war is a start. I am going to smack Jonah Goldberg if he continues to call leftists liberals when they are not liberal!

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (9bWs4)

805 As for the productive? Crony capitalism is the model in Europe and will be here. If you are one of the preferred businesses, you will do well. Otherwise, you will live hand to mouth until you finally move onto the dole.

The French have a word for this crypto-fascism they practice with "state-directed capitalism," dirigisme.

Tous, nous sommes français maintenant.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (AZGON)

806 "Libertarians are responsible for this loss.
The voter margins in FL,OH VA tell you all you need to know.
"

Yes, it's the fault of the conservatives with principles, not the entitled hordes who voted for Obama. I will say though, if that's true, hillarious, what does it say about the GOP for taking a huge dump on Ron Paul and his supporters during the primaries? All over beating the war drum against Iran and playing the world's police. Nice.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (UidV/)

807 *directed my way

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (SKX2R)

808 Yeah, it's time to drop the Xianists to win like me.

See you tomorrow; it's late here in Mass.

Posted by: senator scott brown at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (nkiQM)

809 791 No, you worthless poseur. Keep your useless grandstanding mug off Fox News. S/B 790.


Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (KDAAY)

810 654 George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (AZGON)

"All I know is no one should cross Empire of Jeff tomorrow. That would be like taking a nap inside a woodchipper."


Start by mentioning the density of water.



I read a lot of wailing on this thread. Ok, get it out of your system. Then get some sleep.

The voting public made a big mistake. It's not terminal, but it does hurt. So, endure.

Endure the $5.00, or maybe $6.00/gal gas ... and remind your 'D' hecklers who caused this pain, that they share.

Are 401k's to be seized? Theirs will be taken too, and guess who's fault it will be? Wait and see if there really are congressional hearings.

Will unemployment cross 8% again? Maybe 10%? Fault? Maybe more EO's will do it.

How about another US credit downgrade?

The list of minor things goes on.

Stick around and watch. The Democrats were panicked by the results of 2010 ... figuring that this election was a bit of a swing back (there are many possible reasons), and we've seen 4 years of BO ...

2014 is coming, and BO's spending record is like Biden's mouth. His economic policies are ... unknown? Many people will hurt, and many of these people voted for BO.

Endure. Stick around and wait.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (feDJw)

811 The much, much, much and then some better man won tonight.

Are you expecting legislatively-determined bankruptcy rules to apply?

Suck on this nothingburger bond, you fascist fucking cock!

Posted by: Waterhouse, adapting to ObamaLand at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (2l+qZ)

812 797
Please elaborate. Seriously.

Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (QBSp1)

813
reparations

Posted by: Christopher Taylor





Oof. I'd forgotten about that.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 02:40 AM (kdS6q)

814 So our new Overlords will be Arab and Chinese?

Awesome!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (uvNSk)

815
Canada only barely affords their clusterfuck of a healthcare system because they reduced their military- the air force is tiny, the army is patheticly small, and their navy is pretty much two mounties in a canoe.

I think the al qaeda motorboat won't need to explode when they ram the mounties in a canoe....

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (4ABat)

816 "I earnestly, and truly wish that Ace/Mark Levin/etc hadn't spent so much time actively shitting on libertarians."

Good luck convincing them of that.

Ultimately this is what makes the GOP the hypocrisy that it is. Let's cut spending here, but spend more here. Seriously? No, cut it all. This lesser of two evils crap is not a convincing argument, and I'd say most people see through this.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (UidV/)

817 The Republicans are going to traipse up the ramp and go down the sluice once again.

Good for them, give the D's all they want, every time they want it, as soon as they want it, and wash your hands of it. Don't raise a stink, don't complain, don't offer alternatives, just let them have it, with both barrels. It won't matter if they fight anyway.

The GOP is dead as disco anyway.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (r4wIV)

818 The much, much, much and then some better man won tonight.

As long as you don't accept any Middle-Eastern Ambassador postings.

You fascist fucking cock.

Posted by: Waterhouse, adapting to ObamaLand at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (2l+qZ)

819 The wonderful thing about reparations is the bill is never marked "paid"

I've seen this movie before Ogabe came from somewhere.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (LRFds)

820 @794 > Will the last person with money in California please turn out the lights on your way out?

The CA economy is larger than Australia's. There's no shortage of "money" or opportunity, for that matter. A few percentage points extra in taxes over say, Oregon, isn't hurting the state, and hasn't since, well, as long as it's been a state.

I get that Repubs don't like CA, and it does have budget issues to work through (and is, slowly), but the actual *economy* in CA is running just fine.

Posted by: That Guy at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (LmEvg)

821 I am very disturbed reading the despairing comments from the 26 and 27 year olds. Please stop. Look - this too shall pass. Lots of people like my Dad (I am 60) who had a very good college degree did shit jobs during the depression - he worked as a rough neck in the oil fields. Just get any job you can - build your human capital, read, learn, develop all your skills. Get a mentor. But please don't give up.
Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (KDAAY)

Let me tell you something. Carter cost me my chance when I had the world by the balls, been up and down since and had it back untill 2006 when shit started going downhill once again. At 55 I am now fucked, but I had a chance and oppurtunity, these guys don`t for the forseeable future. You can grab the world by the balls, but the balls have to be there to grab.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (nwHKt)

822 #785 The Philadelphia Inquirer today had a blog where it was interviewing voter around the Philly region. Voter after voter said the couldn't vote for Romney because he wasn't good for women, or he was only for the rich, one said he would ban unions, a college student who actually had to drop out because his parents couldn't afford the tuition said he voted for Obama because he was going to make college cheaper.

This is in a state that saw no TV ads against Romney until last week.


This was not about the "ground game." It was about a mythmaking smear machine that made people afraid of Mitt Romney. And it worked.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (qe2/V)

823 Very afraid. I fear Israel will hit Iran any day now. Scary...

Posted by: Jmel at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (c+D8V)

824 673
I'm the same way. Since January 2009 I've had five jobs, two companies and one non profit. Everyone has failed as a direct result of Obama natural resource policy. I can't take a lifetime of this shit. I get where the suicudal thoughts from everyone are coming from. Without hope there is no faith and I feel like I lost both tonight. I'm 37 and just had to move my family back in with the parents because my nonprofit funding collapsed with this election. The forgotten man is right. If I meet a McCain voter who stayed home this time I might strangle them.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (gkfSV)

825 794
Will the last person with money in California please turn out the lights on your way out?





Jerry Brown has finally won. After 34 years he has effectively overturned Proposition 13. It's all he ever dreamed of.





We are soooooo done, folks.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (qe2/V)


___________
At least Waxman might lose.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (sCI7M)

826 815 GO,

36 million conservative Americans solves that problem right quick.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (LRFds)

827
Crony Capitalism!
I gotta great idea for something totally useless- how do I get funding?

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (4ABat)

828 Rome's been burning for a while. We tried to put it out with Tea, but it's just too big, too broken, too corrupt.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (20NzC)

829 Miss me yet?

Posted by: John McCain at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (Ks4nX)

No, no we don't.

Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (YxaXw)

830 Everyone talking on Fox about how Romney should do this or do that. They just don't get it. Wasn't a perfect campaign, but he presented a clear economic contrast. He did a fine job.

The electorate is that disengaged. I saw the anecdotal stories a few posts up. I have some similar ones. People just don't want to think. They need it distilled to a soundbyte or theme and that's all the baby food they can stomach. Many view it as a good vs. evil story and stop there.

Viewing policy as often being choices between lesser of evils, or the picking between competing goods in conflict with each other is an absurd notion to them.

No, it has to be something like Romney is in it for the rich and Obama hasn't been great but at least he cares.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (UvR6d)

831 786 762

Ironic, isn't it. Canada's never really been all that bad, not compared to Europe and especially not compared to any place in SA, ME, or Africa, and most of Asia as well.

Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (BgIBZ)

--I'm hustling my ass to get Canadian citizenship for me, my wife, and my son. More than ever.

Posted by: Blondie at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (jKE+Z)

832 The much, much, much and then some better man won tonight.

As long as you're not a Mexican, or even American, drug enforcement agent.

Then suck on the emanations of this illegally-sold-and-untracked weapon, courtesy Barack Obama, you fascist fucking cock!

Posted by: Waterhouse, adapting to ObamaLand at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (2l+qZ)

833 Please elaborate. Seriously.

There's no need to elaborate. Just take care of the people near you, and forget the national scene. Its out of our hands like watching a volcano go off. Wash your hands of the nation and focus locally. Work to get your potholes fixed, and the hell with the rest of the city.

God help me I pray I'm wrong but I see this whole nation going the way of Detroit. And the only way to survive there is to stay in your neighborhood and keep your head down.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (r4wIV)

834 Jerry Brown has finally won. After 34 years he has effectively overturned Proposition 13. It's all he ever dreamed of.




We are soooooo done, folks.



Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (qe2/V)

What ballot measure was that?

Posted by: YIKES! at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (1PE/J)

835 "Who should replace Boehner as Speaker? If Boehner continues, I am all for a messy GOP Civil War. BRING IT!"

this!

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (UidV/)

836 Arbalest: Obama, the Dems and the media (BIRM) have successfully managed to pass the stench of their policies onto the GOP. What makes you think that that will change by 2016, much less 2014?

Posted by: holygoat at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (IGIFh)

837 "As I said. Read my comments on this thread, then get back to me, Walker."

as i said, you must be new here.

don't waste your breath...you're sure to develop a pretty consistent fan-club following if you dare to inform your politics with tempered, practical opinions, and it's honestly best to let them rage at their computer screens unengaged.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (79EF9)

838 >>So, we actually need a world war, don't we?
Something to pull us out of this with this dumb fuck in the office ala
FDR getting saved by WWII? Sad, but that's about the only hope now.

Posted by: Rich
---
Don't expect any air support though.

Posted by: Chris Stevens and Three Americans. at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (VMcEw)

839 The much, much, much and then some better man won tonight.

Or even, if you're an American provider of semi-legal maybe-yes, maybe-no, drugs.

Suck on this throbbing fascist cock! I'll tell you when it's OK! And if it changes tomorrow, off to the fucking pen with you! I'm clearly the Better Man!

Posted by: Waterhouse, adapting to ObamaLand at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (2l+qZ)

840 This only confirms what most in the Business World already knew. Americans lost control of the Government in 2008, and the only future was to get in bed with them instead of fight them....Just the Book....What's it called?

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (uvNSk)

841 I'm hustling my ass to get Canadian citizenship for me, my wife, and my son. More than ever.

Its really hard to get a citizenship in Canada, or to even emigrate. You have to basically prove you're going to make the nation a better place by being there.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (r4wIV)

842 Oh fuck you libertarians, tonight.

I consider *myself* a libertarian. In all the many ways one would qualify as "libertarian" (as opposed to "Republican" or "conservative").

If you didn't vote for Romney, if you encouraged others not to vote for Romney, then:

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU.

Blame others all you like. *YOU* are directly responsible for the electoral results, and the fucking political future of the USA.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (tUcg9)

843 One guy was telling me (just the other day) about a video that would change my perception of everything. After a few minutes I realized he was talking about "Loose Change".

I overheard a conversation a while back where 5 people concluded that the government should print more money so there would be more money to go around.

A liberal chick at work who actually has a college degree (a worthless one) said if Romney gets elected he is going to force everyone to go to church.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (SkyIE)


*look of eyes bugged out, absolute disbelief*

head>---------->desk

Words fail.

I'll admit, it has been awhile (15 years) since I have dealt with the little jackasses, but. . . . .

People really are that stupid.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (HKONC)

844 One of several big things we will be seeing is the drive to integrate the suburbs into the tax base of the cities. This will be done to address education funding, but the ultimate aim is the expand the reach of the urban model and their political sphere.

Once the academy started churning out reliable little socialist, we were doomed. We just needed this election to have it proven to us.

One more generation should finish the job.

Nothing to leave to our kids now, so we might as well hasten the demise.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (dX4hn)

845 " Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world"

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (sZTYJ)

846 Notice how they put the movie out right before election season....to help normal americans understand what happened.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (uvNSk)

847 Nope, sorry. Boehner already called the election tonight "a mandate for both parties to find common ground and take steps together to help our economy grow and create jobs". The Republicans are going to traipse up the ramp and go down the sluice once again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (kdS6q)


Nothing different for the Weeper. He's been sucking dem cock and fighting hard against the Tea Party since we had to put him in power in 2010. He should have been shitcanned in early 2011 when it was clear he wouldn't fight but the GOP was too stupid for that. The Weeping Boner has already given Barky and the dems everything they wanted ... because he was so scared of letting the dems shut down the feral government. And then he "understood" the shitbird Occupoopers.

I blame Boner and his cowards in leadership as much as anyone for this. They showed that even after we went and gave him the power to defend America, he refused to and set about shitting all over the base and America. He can take a long ride in a Brazen Fisker, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (X3lox)

848 "I am very disturbed reading the despairing comments from the 26 and 27 year olds."

the people with the hysterical suicidal nonsense are all well over 40.

the younger among us see the obvious path forward -- ditching the obsolete hard-xtian agenda -- but the older voters are unwilling to step back from the gay marriage line, so their ideal version of the gop is effectively dead forever.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (79EF9)

849 817 The GOP is dead as disco anyway.
-
What would you recommend, a third party?

It's a serious question, even though I think that would fail. Politics as usual is over.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (1QsHl)

850 The line at the gun shop is going to be HUGE tomorrow.

Can anybody recommend a .30-06 (or a rifle that fires a similar heavy round) that is relatively cheap (Less than $400,) and has the option of a relatively high-capacity magazine?

Posted by: Joe Sixpack at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (elWOP)

851 By the end of the year, I expect business closings and bankruptcies to hit astounding highs. Unemployment - the actual number, not what's reported - will be over 10%. Maybe I'm wrong. I am not very good at this predicting thing, apparently. I hope I'm wrong. But I know a lot of businesses have been desperately hanging on just a little longer hoping against hope.

Well hope no more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (r4wIV)

852 #834 The Jerry Brown Memorial Tax The Hell Out of The Rich Except for the Hollywood Celebs Who Hide Their Money Act.


This was literally the takers voting themselves the money from the makers. Straight up socialism.

Posted by: rockmom at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (qe2/V)

853 I know I'm wasting my breath, jimi ray.

However, there was a very specific reason I asked Walker to read my comments on this thread, and it wasn't because of my political views.

It's something quite different.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (SKX2R)

854 and it's honestly best to let them rage at their computer screens unengaged.

Like you do, when you get all eight-paragraph-butthurt over someone making a time-traveling neutrino joke.

You eternally-wrong condescending fuckwit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (2l+qZ)

855 This was a divide and conquer campaign. I'm in my late 20's and you could see it in the people I know (morons, I'm aware) that we're pumped up about voting because of birth control, or having funding cut for teachers, or whatever. They targeted the votes they needed by appealing to the emotions of their base, and it worked. And I also think there was a defensive reflex in having voted for Obama in '08 and sticking up for their own choice. I don't know why, but I feel like there was a weird determination among young people this time around, it was different than last time where it was inspiration or whatever.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (sCI7M)

856 What would you recommend, a third party?

You know that point when the firemen all stand around and stop fighting the fire because they know its a lost cause? I recommend watching it all burn because there's no saving it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:50 AM (r4wIV)

857 A lot of us in PA are very upset by this. Yet again, the shithole cities fuck up the rest of the state.

Posted by: Tunkhannock at November 07, 2012 02:50 AM (TLjqs)

858 844 One of several big things we will be seeing is the drive to integrate the suburbs into the tax base of the cities. This will be done to address education funding, but the ultimate aim is the expand the reach of the urban model and their political sphere.

THIS is a huge unspoken push. More and more you will be prevented from escaping the city, materially, by ever-higher taxation on exurban areas, funneled back to the EBT card crew in the hood.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM (AZGON)

859 >>>As I said. Read my comments on this thread, then get back to me, Walker. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

Again, FOAD.

Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM (C4dFv)

860 The fact is, jimi, people are treating me much nicer tonight than in any night I've posted here.

Prior to this, I was attacked viciously, mostly for not being as optimistic as they are, and for vigorously defending my views.

Then when I did so, sometimes sharply, I'd be tacked as an asshole for whatever I said -- despite the 20 similar (and usually preceding) attacks directed my way.

I'm tempted to elaborate on this, using my previous comment as a reference to underline my point, but at the end of the day, you can't make the unkind be kind. They'll either double down on unkindness, or just walk away.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM (SKX2R)

861 Obama won reelection. And this time, there's no Sarah Palin around to scapegoat this time...

Posted by: Random Internet Guys at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM (ECWtu)

862 778Ayn Rand was so fucking rightPosted by: TexasJew at November 07, 2012 02:33 AM (lD8ju) >>>> Ain't that the truth. BTW, she despised the conservatives because of the religious faction. And she was absolutely prescient when it came to the crony capitalism. Her biggest villains in her novels were the capitalists who sucked the cock of government. She envisioned Obama before he was even born.

Posted by: the clubfooted unshaven pegleg at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (Q2wni)

863 I really should be asleep right now but I know I would just lie there and think and think and think and my stomach would hurt more and more so why not be here with at least some friends?

Honesty I don't know if I'll ever be back though. Politics is just not kind. I'm shutting down my blog. Its purpose was to try to in some small way reach people and help them learn to think, to maybe make a tiny difference. Its like spitting into a hurricane, what's the point?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (r4wIV)

864 >>> Again, FOAD.
>>> Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM

Yeah, very nice.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (SKX2R)

865 Abortion would still be legal everywhere.
Then it goes to the states.
So why waste time on it?


Because I don't terribly want to live in a nation that's morally inferior to Nazi Germany, mainly,

Posted by: Methos at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (hO9ad)

866
"703... So we let people call us racist, ... So now we're stuck with another 4 years of EO's and at least another 2 of no Senate budgets. Frabjoyous day."

As to the "racist" issue, I'm guessing that the white folks picked Romney by a margin, while the minorities only ever considered a minority.

As to the EO's. well isn't that a happy thought. These talking heads keep talking about how Obama is going to have to work with the House, which is not in touch with reality. We will have more gridlock than ever (the will of the people!), and I guarantee that Obama will not hesitate to "pick up the slack" with EOs.

In other words, we're a dictatorship now.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (Mxt9o)

867 Good luck with whatever you choose to do, Christopher Taylor, whether it's politics or focussing on serving God and loving your family.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (SKX2R)

868 Actually, the best hope for the nation is for what remains of the GOP to let the Dems have what they want. Some of our coalition will lose everything. Public funding for abortion on the demand shall become a right. And the Socons have now lost everything. Gay marriage? Get on the train, it will be common place within 3 years and we will be discussing the legalization of polygamy. Plan for our military to become much smaller and less effective.

But they can't stop the economic collapse. Best to hasten it along.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (dX4hn)

869 One of several big things we will be seeing is the drive to integrate the suburbs into the tax base of the cities.

Yeah, they hate suburbs for being too conservative, too independent, and too separate from the controlling government. They want suburbs destroyed and everyone back into the city.

Instead I think they'll find people bailing to live away from cities.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (r4wIV)

870 Can anybody recommend a .30-06 (or a rifle that fires a similar heavy round) that is relatively cheap (Less than $400,) and has the option of a relatively high-capacity magazine?
Posted by: Joe Sixpack at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (elWOP)


Be warned that I am a heretic for saying this, but the 30-06 is redundant. It was just so popular that its adherents are legion.

The .308 is more efficient, marginally more accurate (if only because it dominated competition), short action meaning a greater variety of rifles and they weight less, more options for types of rifles, far far FAR more options for high-capacity, it's cheaper and it's a government and international round so it is made in vast numbers and will be available even if there's an economic collapse.

Of the two, I rate all that as more than outweighing the almost irrelevant 100fps (maybe) velocity difference, delivered energy is going to be so close it's academic.

I would not recommend a .30-06 unless you already had a Garand collection.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (bxiXv)

871 >>>However, there was a very specific reason I asked Walker to read my comments on this thread, and it wasn't because of my political views. It's something quite different. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

It's because you're a obnoxious troll. Again, FOAD.

Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (C4dFv)

872 _________Idiots come out and vote in Presidential election years.
Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 02:31 AM (sCI7M)

-------------------------

Yes they do, but they didn't that's my point. Where did 15 million people disappear to? Did they suddenly die? I thought we had natural population growth, at least among the voting population. Where'd they go?

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (FVp26)

873 You note that Canada, yes, Canada, is now moving the opposite direction. Yet we are forever domed? I understand the disappointment, but come on. Lighten up a bit. Four years ain't eternity, though it will feel like it.

Posted by: sandy burger at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (KDek4)

874 844

A-fuckin'-men. Stanley Kurtz has written about this and how TFG was specifically inspired by the South Side's schools sucking and TFG becoming envious of the rich tax dollars available in the Chi suburbs.

Still, that's probably 5th or 6th on the list of the destructive things desired over the next four years, with either a carbon tax or amnesty being your #1

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (w4fEE)

875 "Like you do, when you get all eight-paragraph-butthurt over someone making a time-traveling neutrino joke."

rage, lol? rage? a single sentence pointing out the ignorance of a joke that needs to be retired is raging in eight paragraphs? xP

"You eternally-wrong condescending fuckwit."

hmm hmm maybe you ought to go look up the definition of "rage" :3 i'll try to soften the blow next time; didn't think you'd get so bent out of shape at your stolen joke being challenged xD

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (79EF9)

876 and it's honestly best to let them rage at their computer screens unengaged.

Like you do, when someone makes a minor joke about "efficiency"

You fucking hypocrite.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (2l+qZ)

877 The thing to really be afraid of is that Israel won't or can't without the US.

That means the rise of Islam and Iran. That's when shit really will get real.

Israel nuked or attacked and the US does nothing. That will be the end.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (SP4jC)

878 and it's honestly best to let them rage at their computer screens unengaged.

Like you do, when someone comments about cheerleaders.

You fucking hypocrite.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (2l+qZ)

879 >>>Prior to this, I was attacked viciously, mostly for not being as optimistic as they are, and for vigorously defending my views.

no, you were attacked b/c you're a obnoxious troll. now, you've hooked up with your troll buddy.

Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (C4dFv)

880 "A lot of us in PA are very upset by this. Yet again, the shithole cities fuck up the rest of the state."

And that's where we need to also fight this war. The stupid party GOP is scared of the cities. Heck, I made over a thousand calls for Rob McKenna is WA. I called almost every county, but never once called in King, Pierce, or Snohomish where over half of the population lives!

Breitbart is right. Time to roll up sleeves and fight the urban fight.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (9bWs4)

881 Unemployment - the actual number, not what's reported - will be over 10%.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (r4wIV)


We haven't been under 10% REAL unemployment in over four years.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (bxiXv)

882 your stolen joke

Not mine, fuckhole.

But then, you're always wrong.

Deal.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (2l+qZ)

883 Four years ain't eternity, though it will feel like it.

It is (or may be) when you're on the wrong side of 60.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (SP4jC)

884 I understand the disappointment, but come on. Lighten up a bit. Four years ain't eternity, though it will feel like it.

Dude. Four years? Do you really have the delusion that it even matters who runs in 4 years? The Democrats just won with the worst possible candidate at the worst time in human history running the most empty, nasty campaign ever against a decent, noble guy who epitomizes the American dream and won.

Its over, don't you get it? This wasn't just another election, this was the last chance.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (r4wIV)

885
848
Do you really think if the GOP drops the social con issues that the party would not lose its hold on the South? Where would they gain those votes back from? What part of this country is still pro-free market?

Posted by: reality at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (aED3v)

886
Meanwhile, in California:

Yes Prop 30 Temporary Taxes to Fund Education
Yes Prop 36 Reform Three Strikes Law
Yes Prop 39 Multistate Business Tax for Energy Funding





Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (kdS6q)

887 http://youtu.be/zUecUKa_yqo


This Boy Needs Therapy. Fa Kme.

Posted by: Chris Stevens and Three Americans. at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (VMcEw)

888 While your projections didn't pan out, you are quite prescient about this:

Public funding for abortion on the demand shall become a right. And the Socons have now lost everything. Gay marriage? Get on the train, it will be common place within 3 years and we will be discussing the legalization of polygamy. Plan for our military to become much smaller and less effective.

Decline is irreversible now. Politics cannot address it. Culture in decline only changes through a shift in culture, not politics.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (AZGON)

889 "I am very disturbed reading the despairing comments from the 26 and 27
year olds. Please stop. Look - this too shall pass. Lots of people like
my Dad (I am 60) who had a very good college degree did shit jobs during
the depression - he worked as a rough neck in the oil fields."

Of course, that was when there were oil fields to work in, that were hiring.

The massive new EPA mandates kicking in next year are going to make the oil and gas patch (one of contemporary America's few economic bright spots) a far less vibrant place.

Elections have consequences. As someone once said.

Hell, I'm a lot older than the 26 and 27 year olds, and what I see coming is a tidal wave of economic bone-itude for working Americans of all ages.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (ymG7s)

890 We haven't been under 10% REAL unemployment in over four years.

Sure, but what I mean is this: unemployment is probably over 8% right now but is being reported as mid 7%. Real unemployment is around 14% but I'm talking the usual government reporting.

Its going up. Way up. All those companies that cannot survive any longer cannot keep paying people and will let those folks go. A lot of them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (r4wIV)

891 Jcw46: You are absolutely correct. It'll be one giant 'GAME OVER.'

Posted by: USS CONSTITUTION at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (KqwSL)

892 >>> It's because you're a obnoxious troll. Again, FOAD.

No, it's actually because there was a commenter talking about suicide after the election on this thread, and I (joining many others) tried to post a nice and respectful post encouraging him to stay around a little longer for other good parts of life, aside from politics.

In that comment, I disclosed that I was also considering suicide after the election.

One of, but by no means the only, reasons for that, is just how much and how incredibly I've been attacked on this site, despite agreeing with most people here about most things. But by being less rosy, yet analytical and passionate and defending my views, I've had a very large number of people viciously attacking me.

I wouldn't pretend it was the main reason for feeling discouraged by people, but it didn't help much.

I also added the the kindness of people here, and one in particular, the other day made a good impression on me, and reminded me of the wisdom of the "Samwise Gamgee" quote I posted here today, that someone else elsewhere reminded me of the other day.

I expect to mix it up. I'm used to it. I accept that my personality is not popular and is actively unpopular.

But the degree of unreasonable vitriol directed by masses of people who think they are good people and on the right side of the issues is just shocking.

That's why I asked you to read my comments on this thread in particular.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (SKX2R)

893 "You can grab the world by the balls, but the balls have to be there to grab."

Amen.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (UidV/)

894 That being said, we're seriously considering moving out of PA. Fuck this state and their socialist dreams.

We're thinking Northern Florida or Texas. Any fellow morons know any nice neighborhoods?

Posted by: Tunkhannock at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (TLjqs)

895
Radar, from one Marine to another: chill
Nothing this country did today can diminish what you have done

Put your stuff away keep it for yourself and those you trust, but never let them take that away from you.


Posted by: RayJ at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (LYiL5)

896
Oh, shit. Somebody HAD to remind us about Israel right now. The Israelis are going to have to act on their own, and will get the "Benghazi treatment." We're going to see a nuclear genocide in our lifetime.


Without the Senate, we don't even stand a chance of impeaching the SOB, and I don't know if we can ever even get to the bottom of Fast and Furious. We just get to look forward to the next one, which will be 10 times worse.

Yeah, this is really, really bad.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (Mxt9o)

897 Yes Prop 30 Temporary Taxes to Fund Education
Yes Prop 36 Reform Three Strikes Law
Yes Prop 39 Multistate Business Tax for Energy Funding


All while the state suffers 10% unemployment. Far worse in LA.

*cue Tears For Fears "Mad World"*

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (AZGON)

898 Samwise: you don't understand how you come off.

Your style and what you say rubs folks the wrong way.

It's just the way it is. It may not be fair. It may not be accurate.

It's just how you say what you say.

I'd give it a rest if I were you and reexamine what you've said.

Why do you care anyway? you've only shown up recently for what reason many of us are suspicious of and wondering about.

We've seen too many concern trolls to be patient and forgiving. Maybe you'd be more at home elsewhere. Try Hot Air.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (SP4jC)

899 I agree with others up-thread who see tonight's events in Apocalyptic terms. This is much worse than I feel most people as of yet suspect. Tonight was just placing the seal on what's come before. The tableau of devastation made by Hurricane Sandy is a glimpse of what lies ahead.

Cormac McCarthy has seen all of this coming. He left notes here and there for anyone who was looking.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (Z6XSF)

900 153 So.... this means we're not racist anymore, right?
-
Your White skin privilege condemns you.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (1QsHl)

901 I'm one of those 3% in Germany that wanted Romney to win.

But don't be too sad.
Germany and Europe on the whole had Obama policies for decades - yeah, it makes bitter people, makes people envious of success, everyone who fails thinks that he is "entitled" to other peoples money (my mother begged my brother ones to park his Porsche on another street, so her social worker friends won't be mad ...)- but as long as you still have a spot to get away to, it's endurable ... And inflation is fought by globalisation - Germany sustains itself by selling machines and cars to a growing chinese middle-class - and consumers profit from cheap technology ...
So it never hits as hard, as you might think on a day likes this ..

Posted by: Guido at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (yGXSZ)

902 Move to Florida, they need the votes.

Posted by: The Pitt at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (9bWs4)

903
Down to their last out... Slow roller down the first base line...

IT GETS THROUGH ROMNEY! AND OBAMA WINS!

Posted by: Vin Scully at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (Ks4nX)

904 836 holygoat

There are enough people who know where the stink comes from. Those who blame the GOP do so partly out of ignorance, and partly because the GOP tried to work with the D's when they should not have. This can be fixed, perhaps not easily, but it can be fixed.

To some degree, we are suffering from the National Mumps, or maybe National Typhoid, and we've had a relapse. But this time, we can hang unemployment, and $5.00 gas, skyrocketing utility rates, and ... and ... and ... on its rightful creator.

To some degree, today was a strategy failure on the R's part, and luck for BO ... and to some degree, it was a pullback from 2010.

But look at the numbers: BO has no mandate, no titanic victory, and there will likely be reports of "voting irregularities" in the morning, and for days to come.

And, importantly, the numbers suggest that this really might have been a pullback from 2010, nothing more. Congress is relatively unchanged, by percentage. Massachusettes electing Warren is like Minnesota electing Smalley: they're stupid, and we can do nothing other than point and laugh ... and remind them every time their fool votes to wreck the country.

More people are realizing that BO really is a failure, just perhaps not enough of a failure, or perhaps they are low-information voters and are easily swayed. Expecting this to sink in and result in a Carter-esque defeat was ... at least a bit of self-delusion.

More pain may be the only cure.

Endurance and Courage.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (feDJw)

905 I blame Boner and his cowards in leadership as much as anyone for this. They showed that even after we went and gave him the power to defend America, he refused to and set about shitting all over the base and America.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (X3lox)

THIS TIMES ELEVENTY!!!!!

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (SP4jC)

906 I wouldn't be surprised to see Bibi hit them this month.

Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (LnQr8)

907 We wuz robbed!

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (SP4jC)

908 "884
I understand the disappointment, but come on. Lighten up a bit. Four years ain't eternity, though it will feel like it.
"

Dude. Four years? Do you really have the delusion that it even
matters who runs in 4 years? The Democrats just won with the worst
possible candidate at the worst time in human history running the most
empty, nasty campaign ever against a decent, noble guy who epitomizes
the American dream and won.


Its over, don't you get it? This wasn't just another election, this was the last chance.


Seriously. I think a lot of Obama voters and third-party voters and non-voters have absolutely NO IDEA what's at stake.

They voted for the guy that has the same "social opinion" (as if they were just voting for their roommate) as them (e.g. on gay marriage). Though of course Obama has deferred any gay marriage policy to the states (i.e., not much a difference for gays whether Obama or Romney is elected).

They have no conception of the fact that when they or their loved ones are facing fucking DEATH they'll have to deal with a government bureaucracy equivalent to the DMV.

And, oh, a nuclear Iran. Among other things.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (tUcg9)

909 Get back in the sock drawer.

Posted by: sTevo at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (VMcEw)

910 870
Can anybody recommend a .30-06 (or a rifle that fires a similar heavy
round) that is relatively cheap (Less than $400,) and has the option of
a relatively high-capacity magazine?

Posted by: Joe Sixpack at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (elWOP)



Be warned that I am a heretic for saying this, but the 30-06 is redundant. It was just so popular that its adherents are legion.



The .308 is more efficient, marginally more accurate (if only
because it dominated competition), short action meaning a greater
variety of rifles and they weight less, more options for types of
rifles, far far FAR more options for high-capacity, it's cheaper and
it's a government and international round so it is made in vast numbers
and will be available even if there's an economic collapse.



Of the two, I rate all that as more than outweighing the almost
irrelevant 100fps (maybe) velocity difference, delivered energy is going
to be so close it's academic.



I would not recommend a .30-06 unless you already had a Garand collection.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (bxiXv)

I picked up a Tikka in .30-06 on clearance many moons ago for < 300 bucks. Shoots just under 1MOA with milsurp M2 ball and a bolt and trigger like polished glass. Put a nice piece of Nikon glass on it and a bipod. My "tactical shooter" in "deer rifle" disguise. :-)Having said that I also have a SA M1A Squad Scout with an Aimpoint (as well as a scope and mount if needed).I'd be hard pressed to decide which one to give up first.

Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (pR0/y)

911 841 CT,

Yup pretty much of course we could just mexico Canada eh?

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (LRFds)

912 Agreed. We didn't realize the culture had robbed us of self determination, but here we are. I'll give the progs credit, they figured out how to win.

The trick for each of us it to find ways to make enough money to be comfortable, but keep the takers hands off of it.

I'm thinking I might need to go back into the machine, I still have Federal Service preference. Hard work for reward is a losers game now. Better to find ways to work as little as possible and enjoy a comfortable life.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (dX4hn)

913 >>> Your style and what you say rubs folks the wrong way.

I'm aware.

But that is no excuse for the vicious behavior of so many others, all of whom would assure themselves of how good people they are.

I haven't mentioned it 'til now, but it's amazing how you can watch dozens of people call for someone to die/go away/ and or insult them in tremendous ways, and I'm probably soft-pedalling it a bit, and still consider themselves virtuous.

Well, frankly, with behavior like that in the world, no wonder there is suicide.

Will you drive me to it? Probably not. If I do so, it will be for other reasons. But does the sort of thing a lot of people do here drive people to suicide or great unhappiness short of suicide?

Frequently.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (SKX2R)

914 But don't be too sad.
Germany and Europe on the whole had Obama policies for decades


Let me try to put this as simply as I can: you're only able to survive that way because a United States is around taking up the burden of the cost of defense and keeping the world economy going.

If the US goes ... everyone goes. And there's no coming back because there's no USA to bail anyone out.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (r4wIV)

915 Hard work for reward is a losers game now. Better to find ways to work as little as possible and enjoy a comfortable life.

As noted earlier, welcome to Europe.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (AZGON)

916 Well, that was an interesting experience!

As the Japanese commander in Bridge over the River Kwai said - "Tomorrow we begin again". but this time its time to really clear the decks and make sure that all the players on the team ARE on the team!

The wonderful example of the 'respected' Republican leader Colin Powell tells me that there are more in the party that need to be 'gone', or perhaps just start the 'conservative' party (heck call it the "Progressive Party" since the programs would be for progress and liberty instead of the thin gruel of 'reaching across the isle.... ' As Reid so clearly pointed out, they have NO intention of working with anyone except to accept their surrender.

Col Chamberlain said it, we cannot retreat (not enough could afford to leave), we cannot stay, so we can only attack.

Tom J

Posted by: TommJ at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (lJFcO)

917 "Not mine, fuckhole."

...making your unquenchable obsession all the more alarming, i suppose @.@

i don't remember who made the joke.

you remember who corrected it...even tho you didn't make the joke?

o.o

this sort of thing can't be good for the cardiovascular health of a man in your condition, you know!

you could start by trying to get over me. i don't know how many times i've told you that i'm nothing to write home about...even if my boy friend can beat your boy friend up xP

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (79EF9)

918 We'll get to find out how living in the USSR really was.


Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (SP4jC)

919 FDR getting saved by WWII? Sad, but that's about the only hope now.

The Red States should not give up their young for this President. Let the Blue States.

Posted by: madamex at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (+kvQd)

920 For all this talk about how the people reject social conservatism, I maintain that fiscal conservatism is just as hard a sell. For every woman who thought that Romney was going to ban abortion, there's a person who really thought that he was gonna end Social Security or Medicare. The deficit is just a number to many people. Apparently Ohio and Michigan fell for the "GM is still alive!" bullshit, never considering or caring about the real story. The liberal projection Jedi Mind trick worked again....they always accuse us of being greedy, unwilling to share, saying "I got mine!", when that's exactly what they voted for.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (yJYwC)

921 "That Guy" at 473:

I think you have it exactly wrong. A country that slaughters its own children is a country without a future.

The problem is not social conservatives; the problem is that there are millions of people in this country who care more about the freedom to legally kill their own children than they do about having a free country. That is the very definition of perverse!

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (F0o5k)

922
I don't know where 15 million people disappeared to. Its like they all moved moved or changed or died or they were all repubs who decided to magically switch their votes via computer.

Or maybe those bastards discovered where Galt's Gulch is.

I really wish there would be a producer strike for about 2 weeks in this country, but big business is apparently captured by the govt.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (PHb2k)

923 "That being said, we're seriously considering moving out of PA. Fuck this state and their socialist dreams.
We're thinking Northern Florida or Texas."

Both of those being states where the demographic transformation that helped bring us this election result is already well entrenched. With each passing year each of those states will become steadily more about implementing the "socialist dreams" to which you refer.

That's the pisser here. ALL of the United States is on the same trajectory to unwelcome change (at least for people who think as we do), just at slightly different velocities. There are no safe havens left.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (ymG7s)

924 Pretty sure we are looking at Israel on its own. And Iran will become a nuclear power.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (dX4hn)

925 I'm going Galt. Pulling the retirement account and buying a bit of farm, working just the minimum, doing barter, no bank account. No Christmas shopping. Home-made beverages and breads. Off grid.

All these years of hard work . Pfffft.

To Naes at 536 and other despairing folk--- you are welcome to live on the farm if you participate in some of the work. Might be a good break or even a longer -term solution.

Posted by: Lily Langtry at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (XHBae)

926 Remember the contrast between the two conventions, pigs and monsters vs good honorable people. The pigs and monsters won.

Posted by: madamex at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (+kvQd)

927 And two days ago another of my liberal friends said she wanted another car but the one she has gets great mileage. We then had a conversation where she expressed the view that "fracking" was destroying the Country and should be outlawed.


As I said before: How can you win against that?
America is over.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (+paCV)

928 Jesus Christ controls history and He raises up those He would have in power over us. The United States of America is undergoing some severe divine discipline. Just as the Roman empire fell, through decadence and the socialism of bread and circuses, so America has started to fall. It's a question as to whether we can come to our senses before we are overthrown.
Whatever; we have four more years to get through. So: let's do it.

Posted by: Phil-Inn at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (3dAId)

929
You want to know why we lost--go to Steve Sailer's blog and realize that the demographics we often concern ourselves with, women, is a meager problem compared with singles.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/
From one of his posts:It appears that some massaging of the exit poll data is being
done as the hours go by, perhaps to make it line up more with fairly close
actual vote totals. In any case, here's the latest from NBC
website, which has far more exit polls questions than CNN or some of the
other sites. As usual, NBC has the Gender Gap as the 1st question
displayed:



Gender




Category
Obama
Romney
%
Total

Male
45
52
47

Female
55
44
53


while the Marriage Gap is the 62nd question:







Are you currently married?



Category
Obama
Romney
%
Total

Yes
42
56
60

No
62
35
40


Gender by marital status



Category
Obama
Romney
%
Total

Married men
38
60
29

Married women
46
53
31

Not married men
56
40
18

Not married women
67
31
23


Do you have any children under 18 living in your home?



Category
Obama
Romney
%
Total

Yes
51
47
36

No
50
47
64


Married with children



Category
Obama
Romney
%
Total

Married with children
45
54
27

All others
53
45
73
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to top


Parents



Category
Obama
Romney
%
Total

Men with children
45
53
16

Women with children
56
43
20

Men without children
47
50
30

Women without children
54
45
34

Posted by: gayle in ca at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (wgmUB)

930 Go back to the GOP debate late last year (or earlier this year)...remember when George Stephanopolis brought up birth control and every republican on this side of the screen was like, 'Dafuq?' and it was actually Romney that shut it down with a, 'why are we talking about this? no one wants to ban birth control' line? The Dems created a non-issue, and then ran against Republicans on it. We were treating it like a non-issue. They didn't. All frickin year they ran on it. I think a lot of young voters got fearmongered into the voting booth this year.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 03:10 AM (20NzC)

931 "One of several big things we will be seeing is the drive to integrate the suburbs into the tax base of the cities."


I've heard this before, from other sources, but considered them unreliable.

Does anyone have links to reliable sources? How about not so reliable sources?

Posted by: Arbalest at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (feDJw)

932 Advice for how to survive in tyranny from Russia:

1. Survive, marry, have as many children as possible. Parasitize resources from the Revolution in order to survive.

2. Preserve the culture. Cling tenaciously to relgion, custom, language. Assume "assimilated" disguise to avoid becoming a target of the Revolution.

3. Build non-institutional links. Form a separate, sub rosa civilization. Associate, do business with, give and receive favors to/from "our people" only, never "them".

4. Endure oppression, persecutions, pogroms in dignified silence. Plan in terms of centuries. "Next year in Jerusalem".

Its how Jews have survived hostile cultures for centuries.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (r4wIV)

933 For every woman who thought that Romney was going to ban abortion, there's a person who really thought that he was gonna end Social Security or Medicare

Heck, I overheard people today talking about how Romney was going to force Sesame Street to stop filming. Never mind that it's more than self sufficient.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 03:12 AM (OevbG)

934 Samwise, what's most insufferable about you is your personality.

You're always making the conversation about YOU.

Whether or not you're a political concern troll (I still think it's likely you are).

You've just been-- and are, especially in the last few days-- the asshole in the room. Obnoxious. (Not always. But the most skilled trolls know how to ingratiate themselves, so who knows.)

Any political insight you might have had? We got it. The first ten times you repeated it, in comment after comment after comment.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 03:12 AM (tUcg9)

935 749 I'm sorry, but something is seriously wrong with the election results.
Obama is off by almost 15 million votes of his 2008 total and Romney is
off by almost 5 million votes with a greater level of excitement than
2008?


I do not understand it either. Even the most biased polls consistently said the GOP had the enthusiasm edge and the early voting data reinforced that. They were also nearly unanimous in stating that R/R were winning Independents. That plus the data showing an even to D+3 electorate makes Team Romney's confidence perfectly understandable. So what changed yesterday?

Posted by: 80sBaby at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (YjDyJ)

936 "Jesus Christ controls history and He raises up those He would have in
power over us. The United States of America is undergoing some severe
divine discipline."

So he sends a good an honorable man to lead us toward sanity, but then chooses to not inspire the voters to vote and follow him.

Pretty sick sense of humor there, JC.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (dX4hn)

937 People have got to stop thinking in terms of presidential years. Its not four years any longer, its not til the next election. That ship has sailed. Its until we can rebuild.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (r4wIV)

938 i don't remember who made the joke.

Well, of course not. The important thing is that you found an opportunity to be pointlessly condescending about it.

You fucking hypocrite.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (2l+qZ)

939
It all starts in kindergarten and on up through their public school eduction, where they are taught they cannot fail, that they are as "good" as anyone else, that they are as this and that as everyone else, even when they aren't.

I should have seen this coming two decades ago when I saw all the kids getting the highest marks possible for shitty work.

Posted by: gayle in ca at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (wgmUB)

940 That's right! Final tally of the 2008 election was just short of 130 million combined for Obama/McCain.

As of tonight, it's Obama/Romney combined at over 111 million.

WTF happened to all those peoples?

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (Z6XSF)

941 "But the degree of unreasonable vitriol directed by masses of people who think they are good people and on the right side of the issues is just shocking."

yeah, like i said, you're clearly new.

i've wasted about 10 000 words going through the same peaceable overtures you're trying, and i can guarantee you that they won't work.

for all the reasonability of ace and a couple of the coblogs, an unfortunately vocal minority of the commentariat here really is nothing more than a mob-minded, petulant group of haters who would rather think up graphic gay-baiting insults than exchange substantive discourse on minor differences in ideology.

just wait until some soi-disant "xtian" calls you a "cum-guzzling douche-nozzle" in the middle of a diatribe upholding the social benefit of his "charitable" and "compassionate" religion. o.O

there are a LOT of well-meaning folks here who will come around. and there are the folks who will always count themselves an eternal part of your fan club.

luckily, there are enough of the former here to make ignoring the latter (and i know i'm being hypocritical tonite, but the fiancé and his comfort sex is in chicago >.

just trying to save you some of the time i wasted attempting to play nice myself!

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 03:14 AM (79EF9)

942 "Let me try to put this as simply as I can: [Europeans are] only able to survive
that way because a United States is around taking up the burden of the
cost of defense and keeping the world economy going."

Let's note one other respect in which the USA subsidizes Europe:

Pharmaceutical development. Drug costs in the USA are sky-high. But those high prices also provide the profit margins which permit the risky business of exploratory new drug development.

Europe adopts the drugs which Americans have already paid handsomely to have developed, and then Europeans receive those drugs at low state-controlled prices.

Except now, as the US health care system becomes more like Europe's systems, chances for drugmakers to earn high returns on new drug development are becoming fewer. Development labs are being cut back sharply. Hence, there will be fewer new medications for a population in Europe that is becoming steadily grayer, older and sicker.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (ymG7s)

943 I've wasted about 10 000 words going through the same peaceable overtures

Like casting nasty condescending aspersions upon every engineer ever born, because someone of whom you disapproved made a funny "time-traveling neutrino" comment.

You fucking hypocrite.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (2l+qZ)

944
I don't know what to do now other than stock up on noperishable foodstuffs and ammo, and getting rid of US dollars.
Maybe it's better this way. The crash will be harder, faster. FIDO.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (i7B17)

945 All of you that believe America goes on as usual are wrong.

Common Sense and Basic Math are enough to destroy your argument.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (uvNSk)

946 So he sends a good an honorable man to lead us toward sanity, but then chooses to not inspire the voters to vote and follow him.

What lesson is learned by this, by having a good man (well, as good as politicians get) rejected by the people? Its that we're in really bad shape and desperately need something lacking in our culture.

You're thinking in terms of how much you got hurt instead of in terms of how a parent teaches children. Its infuriating and incomprehensible to have that cookie taken away when you're a little kid, but mom knows its not time for a cookie and too many are bad for you anyway.

From the kid's perspective its unjust, mean, and tyrannical, sadistic even to have cookies then deny them. From the parent's, its about teaching and helping the child grow.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (r4wIV)

947 Does anyone have links to reliable sources? How about not so reliable sources?
------------------------------------------------------------------


Simple. Just read thinkprogress.com

They also plan to unionize all doctors and nurses as govt employees to cut labor costs.

Welcome to Hell.

Posted by: Daybrother at November 07, 2012 03:17 AM (+paCV)

948 This New York Times has the Popular vote count listed here:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/big-board

It's about 111.5 million combined with nearly all counted. That's around 18.5 sitting out this year.

Okay.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:17 AM (Z6XSF)

949 If you ever want to win the Presidency, you can start by not publicly insulting 47% of Americans. And you might want to think about who’s a parasite: someone getting $2000 a month in welfare checks or someone getting $6000 a month *working for a defense contractor.

*working: surfing the web all day.

Posted by: Craig at November 07, 2012 03:17 AM (qRuw3)

950 I do not understand it either. Even the most biased
polls consistently said the GOP had the enthusiasm edge and the early
voting data reinforced that. They were also nearly unanimous in stating
that R/R were winning Independents. That plus the data showing an even
to D+3 electorate makes Team Romney's confidence perfectly
understandable. So what changed yesterday?


Posted by: 80sBaby at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (YjDyJ)

_______________

I think the enthusiasm edge has some impact, but it gets diminished in a presidential year, especially when you have such a strong GOTV effort like the Obama team has.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 03:18 AM (sCI7M)

951 I really don't see how this helps Romney.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 07, 2012 03:19 AM (Ks4nX)

952 So what changed yesterday?

Yeah, there's definitely something fishy going on, something is wrong with the numbers and "stupid people!!1!!!1!" doesn't explain it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:19 AM (r4wIV)

953 Christopher Taylor -- Form a separate sub Rosa civilization

This. Conservatives will need to withdraw from the culture at large and only deal with each other. Too heartsick to think it through, but patterning ourselves after the Jews is a good analogy.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 07, 2012 03:19 AM (mCZaW)

954 We didn't even get free phones

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 07, 2012 03:19 AM (SkyIE)

955 >>>So what changed yesterday?<<<

I'm telling you we have witnessed the most breathtakingly historical statistical oddity since a coconut dropped on a mayan noggin and made him consider the wonders of the universe.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (PHb2k)

956 Does it hurt, jimi-ray?

Having it pointed out, in BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS fashion, how you yourself are what you perceive as the absolute worst of what you call others, a complete and utter hypocrite?

Oh well.

Try to deal with it.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (2l+qZ)

957 Yes, Craig, because we all know those "parasitic" defense contractors do nothing but surf the web all day. We know that because the defense industry has provided very little for the prosperity of this nation, unlike the Welfare Industry which is responsible for so many Tray Von lovelies.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (Z6XSF)

958 @936: I think this might have been the pins being set up for the end of the world. The feature of Revelations that always read as off to me was that the US is a complete non-entity in the events described. But now after Benghazi the concept that a group of Arab nations allied with Russia will attack Israel and get nuked back to the Stone Age without the US figuring into it sounds extremely plausible.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (OevbG)

959 It's been noted, that in order to rehabilitate, an addict must first hit rock bottom. I thought we were there, but apparently not.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 07, 2012 03:21 AM (i7B17)

960 935 M80s,

All polls showed that RR was winning LV but TFG was winning RV.

All you can say is that there was a tremendous GOTV effort by TFG turning RVs into actual voters.

Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 07, 2012 03:22 AM (w4fEE)

961 especially when you have such a strong GOTV effort like the Obama team has.

He got less votes than 2008.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 03:22 AM (PHb2k)

962 @952

I went into this election knowing that the Left would Rig this Election.....I was optimistic that we could overcome it....I was wrong. Your officially not free...get used to it....It is your future.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:22 AM (uvNSk)

963 with everything that happened tonight, you could not help but bitch about christians.

get off the cross

Posted by: derit at November 07, 2012 03:22 AM (I88Jc)

964 Any way you paint it, the polls were screwy, compared to the results. No poll anywhere had this kind of result predicted, none of them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:23 AM (r4wIV)

965
Naes @536

Please don't despair. You are here for a reason, and things will not always look so grim as they do right now. Keep hanging in there through this dark part, and there WILL come light.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 07, 2012 03:23 AM (F0o5k)

966 *We know that because the defense industry has provided very little for the prosperity of this nation.*

You're right, it hasn't. You see, the government doesn't create jobs, it merely takes money from one economic actor and gives it to another. And the money currently being given to the defense sector will shortly be reallocated and given to another.

Posted by: Craig at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (qRuw3)

967 I know some conservatives who are taking this very hard.

I was prepared for the disappointment. I guess some others were less so... :-/

Posted by: RJ at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (QTVh2)

968 Perhaps God's will is for America to be no more? To see her done once and for all so that a better world can be made in her place.

After Rome fell, what withstood the turmoil and grew even stronger? And does that institution still exist today? And still exist after America is gone? Find your local Catholic Church and sign up to be among the Church Militant. We are made for spiritual battle.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (20NzC)

969 You know what I'd like more than anything? To be totally wrong. I'd love for President Obama to turn the economy around with tax increases and spending on green energy and reparations and all that crap. I'd love for the health care system to be totally fixed by the government taking it over, I'd love for GM to turn around and rejuvenate Detroit into the wonderful city it once was in the process. I'd love to see unemployment drop and growth erupt, I'd love world peace to arise and Muslim violence to go away because we just treat them better.

I'd love to be wrong about all the things I fear. But I know I'm not.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (r4wIV)

970 Given the impact of the media and the schools, it's become fairly obvious that Republicans/Conservatives are now the target of the new Judenhass. This all started with the "I hate Bush" phenomenon. Now, look at the all democrat bumper stickers that say "Not a Republican". This is no longer about policy choices. It's about personal identity, which is inculcated and reinforced through institutions that are firmly in Liberal hands. I hate to say it, but the only way this gets remedied is through a system crash. This was our last chance to reverse the tide, but it was too late. No Republican candidate could have overcome it, and the sooner we see that and stop blaming one another for bits and pieces here and there, the better.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (Y5I9o)

971 The defense industry's 10 year blank check is ending.

Posted by: Craig at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (qRuw3)

972
Damn, even I wouldn't have punted on Libya at the last debate.

Posted by: John McCain at November 07, 2012 03:26 AM (Ks4nX)

973 "Having it pointed out, in BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS fashion, how you yourself are what you perceive as the absolute worst of what you call others, a complete and utter hypocrite?"

...yeah ok dewd.

i'm pretty close to the furthest thing from a hypocrite that posts on this board.

you're making a series of profanity-laden, hyper-obsessive, and yes, "butt-hurt" posts about an off-hand joke about engineers overestimating their theoretical knowledge -- which is a REAL-WORLD PHENOMENON -- and offering that as evidence that i'm a nasty, condescending, belligerent hypocrite, or something.

if an off-hand, mildly snarky joke about the capacity of engineers to appropriate analyse physics theories in which they have had no training is the worst you can find, i guess i'm doing pretty good by comparison to others' antics!

like what you've been doing here for about an hour now :3

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 03:27 AM (79EF9)

974 18,500,000 missing voters? Bumps in the road.

Ours is not to reason why. Ours is but to do or die. Or something like that. Why should we begin to bother ourselves over possible fraudulent voting tallies.

Numbers are like certificates. They're to be considered valid if enough of the right people say it's so.

I'm still focused like a laser on the economy. Can't see nuffin else.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:27 AM (Z6XSF)

975 @969: Amen, Chris Taylor.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 07, 2012 03:27 AM (Y5I9o)

976 Please don't despair. You are here for a reason, and things will not
always look so grim as they do right now. Keep hanging in there through
this dark part, and there WILL come light.


Yeah, sure.

You know what I'm contemplating right now?

Obamacare IS PERMANENTLY the law of the land.

Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 03:27 AM (tUcg9)

977 Fuck it. I almost wish for Sharia law to take over. If the United States
became a caliphate you know those fundamentalist fucks wouldn't
tolerate any Goddamned liberals. We're conservative so we'd just have to
grow our beard out a little and fly under the radar.

I just
can't process this loss. The electorate went from D+7 in 2008 to D+6 in
2012? With 7.9% unemployment? How the fuck does that happen? How bad
would unemployment have to be for it affect this bastard? 10%? 15%? I've
read alot of you guys posting about how we should've done this or that
differently or ran a more/less conservative candidate. Well I got news
for you, if this bastard won with economic numbers like these, it
wouldn't have mattered if Jesus of Nazareth had come down from on high
and ran against him, we would've still lost.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 03:28 AM (tDieS)

978 @970

Agreed....voting period is pointless from here on out


Only a "Reset" button can take us back

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:29 AM (uvNSk)

979 Why should we begin to bother ourselves over possible fraudulent voting tallies.

I know you're joking but at this point, there's no reason to bother with them. The only people who could do anything about them are the ones who benefited from them.

Its a non-starter, there's nothing to be gained now, they cheated, broke the rules, and won - again - and are in charge of enforcing the rules.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:29 AM (r4wIV)

980 Mitt Romney: The Moment

lol

Posted by: The Dude at November 07, 2012 03:29 AM (tw6Ar)

981
I think the enthusiasm edge has some impact, but it gets diminished in a presidential year, especially when you have such a strong GOTV effort like the Obama team has.
Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 03:18 AM (sCI7M)

---------------

But that's our point. There wasn't a strong GOTV effort. Obama's off by 10 million votes and Romney's off McCain's by 5 million. Where did these people go?

Posted by: NJRob at November 07, 2012 03:29 AM (FVp26)

982 Far be it from me to to defend Philly....but again, looking at the vote totals, Obama fell about 50,000 votes short of matching his 2008 number. This despite all the shenanigans that were going on. Romney fell short of McCain's total by about 27,000, which can't all be explained away by fraud. No, the blame for PA has to be spread around. I didn't go county by county, but in the state totals, Obama lost 382,000 votes, but Romney underperformed McCain by 45,500. I suspect that it's those damn Philly suburbs. Maybe when Obama's plan to ,merge the suburbs and the city materialize, they will realize their folly. But probably not, they'll just move further out.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (yJYwC)

983
Looking at the numbers, we got NC, butneeded FL, VA, OH, and CO, and lost them by 3 points.

I want to see the "internals", if possible. All the pre-election polls made no sense. Were the Independents just not there? Did the Dems show up, and not the Republicans? What the hell happened? Why were all those other states such disasters? I may check, but I don't think the actuals match the polls very well, and even those things made no sense.

Can there have been shenanigans? Can that be possible? Some of these states are run by Republicans, aren't they? Could there have been massive voter fraud?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (Mxt9o)

984 Dean Heller wins NV

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (w4fEE)

985 i'm pretty close to the furthest thing from a hypocrite that posts on this board.


Of course you are. It would fucking destroy your feeble little brain to admit the truth.

You're perfection, jimi-ray.

/pats pure unadulterated hypocrite on pointy little head

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (2l+qZ)

986 Its okay to vote, just ignore the national elections and vote locally. City councilmen, guys like that. stuff you have direct impact over and can influence. If there's going to be any rebuilding, it will be done at the local level with neighbors, not from the top.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (r4wIV)

987 977 It's worse than that - in exit polls 52% said Bush, not Obama is at fault for bad economy.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (KDAAY)

988 Heller defeated that Auton Shelley Berkeley by a bit over 1%.

First time in my life I've voted for a Senate candidate who won.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (sZTYJ)

989 970 - agree. the right focused on politics, but the left focused on culture and education for the last 40 years. No political campaign can fight that because it's a cultural identity, it's impervious to argument.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (mCZaW)

990 Maybe I'm crazy, and I do remember how much I wanted Sarah Palin four years ago, but somebody help me out here:

How the hell did people vote FOR McCain but sit out for Romney?

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (w4fEE)

991
@968 Yeah, okay. Nothing left but for us to convert to Catholicism.

Ya know how you surf youtube for too long and end up in the weird part? If you hang out at Ace of Spades too late you end up in the weird part of the thread.

Posted by: Mama Cassanova at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (Q2wni)

992 We have commenters here who are Democrats, self-professed liberals, as well as gay who are accepted and have no problems getting along with the other morons. So if you're continually getting into scrapes with the other commenters, it's really due to your personality and style.

And having been online for almost three decades I can assure you that the one thing guaranteed to bring out the claws in even the most mild-mannered commenters is condescension.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (uyPho)

993 Posted by: Craig at November 07, 2012 03:25 AM (qRuw3)

Yeah, dummy. Because the defense industry never created any products that allowed opportunity for this country to thrive.

So take money that's not yours from that sector and give it to welfare queens. Of course that doesn't work, but it's your country now, do with it what you like.

First chance I have to get completely free from the clutches of creeps like you, I'm gone.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (Z6XSF)

994 Meh, the exit polls are notoriously crap. The only people who answer are people who really want to be polled, its totally non representative. Remember the Kerry landslide based on exit polls? They're trash.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to find that most people do blame Bush for the economy and give Obama a pass. He tried his best, he really did, but nobody could have fixed it, remember Clinton? Give him a little more time and he can turn it around! Nobody could have done better.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (r4wIV)

995 36 million conservative Americans solves that problem right quick.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (LRFds)

Roger That

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (nwHKt)

996 I'm Jimi!

I have been reading jimi-ray's posts for a long time. People please do not confuse me with him.

He is everything Waterhouse says he is and much worse.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (uvNSk)

997
@979

The thing is, we need to at least know whether it happened, so that it might at leastbe stopped in the future. If something massive went on and it is simply allowed to continue, we don't even have a democracy any more.

The widespread underperformance makes me suspicious, but the main thing to me is losing damn near EVERY contested Senate race. That's practically impossible. Also, we know that we are dealing with entirely lawless people.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 03:34 AM (Mxt9o)

998 Anyone see what Chris Matthews said tonight?



"I'm so glad we had that storm last week."

Links in the sig

Posted by: Uncle Milty at November 07, 2012 03:34 AM (sCI7M)

999 How the hell did people vote FOR McCain but sit out for Romney?


Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (w4fEE)

Palin gave a bigger boost to McCain than Ryan gave to Romney. Plus, McCain didn't have Romneycare on his resume

Posted by: The Dude at November 07, 2012 03:35 AM (tw6Ar)

1000 If something massive went on and it is simply allowed to continue, we don't even have a democracy any more.

Do you really think we have one now? I mean effectively, do you think we actually have a democracy? I just don't think it can be saved, no matter how much we document and complain. Not any longer.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:35 AM (r4wIV)

1001 870
Can anybody recommend a .30-06 (or a rifle that fires a similar heavy
round) that is relatively cheap (Less than $400,) and has the option of
a relatively high-capacity magazine?

Posted by: Joe Sixpack at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (elWOP)



"Be warned that I am a heretic for saying this, but the 30-06 is redundant. It was just so popular that its adherents are legion.



The .308 is more efficient..."

The greater magazine capacity and variety of options/sources of ammunition is important. And you're right, even a brief search shows there are a lot of very cheap rifles and ammunition in .308. On the other hand, I'll be blunt: I'm worried about the opposition having Class IIIA Body Armor and plates. Apparently, the tough stuff can take up to four hits by .30-06 before it cracks. On the other hand, if the .308 is that much more accurate, I might be able to avoid the armor/plate question entirely. Thank you for your advice, Ben Ghazi.

910 Taking a look at both the Tikka and the SA M1A Squad Scout. Both very interesting suggestions. Thank you, Long time lurker. How were they before you modified them?

Posted by: Joe Sixpack at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (elWOP)

1002 What happened in the Montana senate race?

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (KDAAY)

1003 @994

but thats not True...I scared business, increased regulation, and initiated Single-Payer.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (uvNSk)

1004 Could there have been massive voter fraud?<<<<

I don't know opti, the only way that can happen to that degree would be internal to a computer program at the time of final count cause otherwise it would get caught.

Kinda boggles my mind like a monkey watching the space shuttle fly by.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (PHb2k)

1005 FYI Gold just shot up $27 and will probably rise even more through today.

Posted by: BuckNaked at November 07, 2012 03:37 AM (dlfef)

1006 One thing that may calm everyone:

Obama has a cult of personality. Between Nov. '08 and now, the GOP was doing absolutely great.

When Obama was on the ballot, he got his witless minions to go to the polls. Sadly, this meant that the "skewed" pollsters were right.

But Obama will NEVER be on the ballot again.

Keep calm and start preparing for the next election.

As Virgil said: "Do not yield to evil. Attack, attack more boldly even than fortune seems to permit"

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 03:37 AM (sZTYJ)

1007 Henry Waxman is currently losing his seat by 2700 votes with 28 percent in...

Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (appbn)

1008 1006 They'll just find another Obama - a worse one.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (KDAAY)

1009 I've been posting this same thing at every single site I've been to tonight, because I am this upset and want to just shout it from the rooftops.

I just made the mistake of checking the results in the middle of the night just because I couldn't get back to sleep right away.

I NEVER do this, but I'm sitting here crying over them..

I've been out of work since 2008 (laid off), since right before Obama was elected. I was pregnant at the time, so I couldn't find work right away. Plus I was starting in college, so getting "back to work" wasn't necessarily an immediate priority.

I've taken a few small jobs here and there, but nothing that would really be able to help my husband and I out. The only thing we have been able to do is live off my loan refunds that I was getting from school to help keep us afloat, especially since we had just bought a house right before I was laid off.

It's now four years later. I now have a Masters degree, and I can't get a full time job. I'm working, but it's not enough for my husband and I to be able to stay in the house we're living in another year -- we'll have to move to somewhere cheaper if I can't find a full time position by next school year.

I'm sitting here crying, because I know it's going to be another four year struggle for my husband and I. I don't want to do this anymore. It's getting so that I don't know what I'm going to do anymore. I can't even get work in retail-related fields in the meantime because they won't hire me. I've got resumes and applications out there, but I'm not getting called. And it's really, REALLY making me frustrated and mad.

Normally, if it were any other candidate, I would have just shrugged it off and said, "Wait until 2016." But I can't this time. This election was too important. And our country blew it.

Posted by: scoop11 at November 07, 2012 03:39 AM (fIBmG)

1010 @1006

Dude...it doesn't matter anymore after this

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:39 AM (uvNSk)

1011 Gold has priced its self out of the range of a feasible investment. Even if most people wanted to buy gold now its so expensive they can't really get much.

But Obama will NEVER be on the ballot again.

This election proved it didn't matter who was on the ballot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (r4wIV)

1012 Yes of course we need to find out about this 18.5 million. It's just that every time this White House has pulled off this crap and we call foul, we're told to shut up. We're scaring moderates. Wait till the big hill to die on. We'll now be labeled Numbrists.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the final Popular Vote tally for 2012 is indeed short by more than ten million from 2008 and the GOP walks on without raising a peep.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (Z6XSF)

1013 Is Waxman running against another Democrat?

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (KDAAY)

1014 1000 CT probably the only answer is for the Red to collapse south to the red and then fight if need be to split.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (LRFds)

1015
"994 ... However, I wouldn't be surprised to find that most people do blame Bush for the economy and give Obama a pass. He tried his best, he really did, but nobody could have fixed it, remember Clinton? Give him a little more time and he can turn it around! Nobody could have done better."


Fox had a poll up only minutes ago that said exactly that.

A huge part of this is about race and the media. Part of McCain's problem was he couldn't criticize Obama because he was "black". I thought we were past that, but I think a lot of that was still in play after all. Beyond that, theMFM reaches far more people than Fox, or the stuff in cyberspace. They were an overwhelming propaganda machine.

Hell, they managed to portray a complete empty suit as a President, and to demonizea virtual saint.

This was a "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" election. America chose the "shame on me" option. It's a national disgrace.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (Mxt9o)

1016 The Political Hat: Good points.

Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 03:40 AM (C4dFv)

1017 >>>1008 1006 They'll just find another Obama - a worse one.

I'd like to see a campaign run out of the Mayo Clinic. lol!

Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 03:41 AM (C4dFv)

1018 scoop I have been there, but without kids to worry about. Hang in there, you can find a way to make it. Our grandparents did it in the 30s, and pulled through.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:42 AM (r4wIV)

1019 1002
What happened in the Montana senate race?>
<
Tester's ahead by 17,000 with 65 percent counted.

Lot of ticket splitting tonight. It's disconcerting. Maybe people do really want divided government.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 03:42 AM (yJYwC)

1020 >>>Part of McCain's problem was he couldn't criticize Obama because he was "black".

Yeah, I'm really sick of that shit.

Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 03:43 AM (C4dFv)

1021 What happened in the Montana senate race?>

Tester's ahead by 17,000 with 65 percent counted.

Lot of ticket splitting tonight. It's disconcerting. Maybe people do really want divided government.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 03:42 AM (yJYwC)


The other Montana Senate seat is up in 2014, at least...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 07, 2012 03:44 AM (sZTYJ)

1022 1006 re: cult of personality

The scary thing is that they managed to create such a strong cult of personality around such a SHITTY candidate.

In 2016, they'll have less of a cult but a far more credible candidate in Cuomo Jr.

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:44 AM (w4fEE)

1023 1009 I'm sorry, I hope you find something. But I have a question for you. There are millions out of work. Didn't the Obama voters notice that? Do you have liberal friends? Or are they just all employed and said to themselves "Oh, I've got my job so I'm fine".

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:44 AM (KDAAY)

1024 Posted by: scoop11 at November 07, 2012 03:39 AM (fIBmG)


I know exactly what you mean. This should have been the time I set up my retirement -- instead, I've got a whompin' big O-shaped hole in my finances, and I'm only getting older. How does my older self make up for lost time in my prime earning years? By the time TFG leaves office, almost a decade will have passed.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 07, 2012 03:44 AM (kaalw)

1025 THe problem with regional splits is that the divide isn't state-to-state or even region-to-region. The South has big cities that are every bit as corrupted and leftist and stupid as the north.

The divide is urban/rural in worldview and ideas, and you can't really secede from the cities. Territorially it just doesn't work or make sense.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:44 AM (r4wIV)

1026 The ticket splitting was targeted. Very interesting.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (fkaOH)

1027 BTW, to all you voters in CO and WA:

Enjoy your Obama votes when his Fed raids your legal pot stations next year

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (w4fEE)

1028
The two campaigns presented a clearly defined choice.

If Obama somehow stole this election through fraud, then America is over.

If Obama did not steal this election through fraud and the people chose what he was offering over what R/R offered, then America is over.

What am I missing, here?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (ogdab)

1029 F - Montana. They're on the way to turning into Colorado or Washington state.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:47 AM (KDAAY)

1030 Hang in there scoop. The sad fact is you are who the dems want to get on food stamps and welfare and everything else. Take it. At this point for the next 4 years its crazy not to. Everybody should go galt and try to collapse it as soon as possible, the faster we do that, the better we come out on the other side.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 07, 2012 03:48 AM (PHb2k)

1031 off-hand joke about engineers

Off-hand jokes don't go on on paragraph after condescending paragraph.

Over multiple comments. On multiple fucking posts. Over multiple fucking days.

But of course, you'd never remember that.

Because you're no condescending hypocrite.

You're jimi-ray! Pure as the driven snow.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (2l+qZ)

1032 @1028

Nothing! It just hasn't sunk in for everybody else.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (uvNSk)

1033 I'm speechless, really. How?


2008, Ohio:

Obama: 2,940,044

McCain: 2,677,820

2012, Ohio (99%) :

Obama: 2,672,302
Romney: 2,571,539



Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (jhI6f)

1034 "If the US goes ... everyone goes. And there's no coming back because there's no USA to bail anyone out."

Not that I disagree with this, but would be interested to see you back it up with some specifics. I can see this argument in some cases, not so much in others.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (UidV/)

1035 Yeah, I lost my job, can't find another, so I took a early retirement at 60. I lose all my retirement savings but have a small monthly pension which amounts to a pittance.

Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (C4dFv)

1036 Political Hat...normally, I would be of your mindset. I probably will drift back to the "resistance" after this loss has been absorbed. But after watching this guy get away with offense after offense, each more blatant than the last, I can't be sure that this is Obama's last election. What was once tinfoil hat territory is now conceivable.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 03:50 AM (yJYwC)

1037 I'm also having a really hard time with 30 million less people voting. That all by itself is weird

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 03:50 AM (fkaOH)

1038 Fuck it. I quit working and go get me some Obama stash. After I buy some more guns. This once great nation is fucked.

Posted by: Barry S at November 07, 2012 03:50 AM (00mU5)

1039 All I know is, for this entire election I feared I was in a cocoon, despite reading leftist stuff, having left-leaning friends, and reading as broadly as I could.

Apparently I was, I could see no feasible scenario by which Obama could win. It just didn't make rational sense, and all the indicators were of him losing.

Now, I'm convinced that there are some hard core shenanigans going on, but even without them, the election apparently would be incredibly close. And close= Democrat win, every time except one rare moment in time when Bush managed to stop it.

So any way you paint it, my understanding of politics and the nation's leanings was wrong. Completely wrong. So apparently I am in a cocoon. Funny how it doesn't feel very comfortable or safe.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:51 AM (r4wIV)

1040 Oh, I've already seen the #ClintonWarren2016 meme going around.

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 03:51 AM (20NzC)

1041 1025 CT,

You can shut down a city pretty easily. The countryside always beats the towns. Study any insurgency.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 03:52 AM (LRFds)

1042
@1009

This will only upset you more, but it makes me so angry I can't help myself.

When my friend and I were seeing this on a TV in a bar/restaurant, some schmuck near the TV starts asking "how's it going?" It took bout 5 back-and-forths to even get at what he was asking, the guy was so "challenged", and I eventually told him "It was called for Obama." This result had been flashed on the screen, off-and-on, righ in front of his face, practically, for 15 minutes.

His goofy girlfriend, lets out some enthusiatic yell, something like, "Yea! Obama!" Waving arms in air.

My buddy says, "Yeah, great. 4 more years of unemployment."

So this jerk starts in, "Oh yeah? Do you even know anybody who's unemployed?" He says. "Yeah, me." Then this guy and his girlfriend start in with some attitude like he's some sort of bum who's not trying to find work (when in truth the guy just got a job offer, and will start next week).

I said, "You know what? We should just thank this guy, because he really explains a lot."

Then this guy starts giving ME an attitude, like he's looking to start a fight, or something. We had finished our beer and wings, and were about to leave anyway, so I just said that I was basically done talking to him, and we left without incident.

So the guy's got enough brain cells to see that he's being insulted, but not enough to see how outrageous it is to be complicit in the unemployment of others, and then harrass them about it.

Like I said. Those two explain everything. Brainwashed nitwits.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (Mxt9o)

1043 #1040 No, the minorities won't vote for aging, unattractive white women.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (KDAAY)

1044 Remember folks, democracy is that form of government which says, "Give Us Barrabas!"

Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (20NzC)

1045 Has asshole called Vlad yet since he now has more flexibility?

Posted by: Barry S at November 07, 2012 03:54 AM (00mU5)

1046 Apparently, the tough stuff can take up to four hits by .30-06 before it cracks. On the other hand, if the .308 is that much more accurate, I might be able to avoid the armor/plate question entirely. Thank you for your advice, Ben Ghazi.

Posted by: Joe Sixpack at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (elWOP)


The .308 and .30-06 are ballistically identical in every meaningful way. There is no real difference. They are not different. They are the same.

Same weight bullet, same velocity within a small margin of error. You might get a few percent more speed in heavy bullets with modern powders, it just won't make any difference.

The .308 is just a better package.

20 years ago there was still legal surplus armor-piercing .30-06 and that made it special, it's all gone or 70 years old now, or more likely plain ammo with painted black tips.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 03:55 AM (bxiXv)

1047 What were Gary Johnson's vote totals in OH, VA, FL, CO, and NM?

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 03:55 AM (w4fEE)

1048 >>>1043 #1040 No, the minorities won't vote for aging, unattractive white women. Posted by: chris

Unless they are 1/32nd black.

Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 03:56 AM (C4dFv)

1049 "In 2016, they'll have less of a cult but a far more credible candidate in Cuomo Jr."

that's who i'm seeing, too. i guess most people probably are.

i'm worried. who do we have? bobby jindal? rubio's nice, but will he raise his star enough in four years? i don't doubt rand paul will run and cause the same fucking paulbot stink we've had to deal with for the past two seasons...

who do we have? our presidential aspirations basically rest on obama's continued failure...and that's not a win for ANYONE!

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 03:56 AM (79EF9)

1050 Holy shit! Allen West lost too? Fuck it. Buy some more guns.

Posted by: Barry S at November 07, 2012 03:56 AM (00mU5)

1051 We'll see how the market goes tomorrow. I entered a couple of limit sell orders to see if they'll get in before the drop.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 07, 2012 03:56 AM (kaalw)

1052
@1033

Wow. This just gets weirder and weirder.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 03:57 AM (Mxt9o)

1053 I guess I'm done. Have fun friends, its been a weird and often entertaining six years or so. I hope you have a good life, take care of your loved ones and weather the storm.

Christopher

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 03:58 AM (r4wIV)

1054
@1033

Could ballots for Red countieshave been stolen somehow? That's nuts. There were people standing in long lines for this. How could there be fewer votes than McCain got!?!

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 03:59 AM (Mxt9o)

1055 Seems to me they just stopped counting while O was ahead and 'deemed him elected'.

Posted by: BuckNaked at November 07, 2012 04:02 AM (dlfef)

1056

FYI Gold just shot up $27 and will probably rise even more through today.

Actually, it went up $36

Posted by: RayJ at November 07, 2012 04:02 AM (LYiL5)

1057 "970 - agree. the right focused on politics, but the left focused on culture and education for the last 40 years. No political campaign can fight that because it's a cultural identity, it's impervious to argument."

Problem is, their focus on culture and identity is what makes them stupid. Generating and enforcing cultural groupthink is fundamentally incompatible with giving proper attention to, you know, math, and the laws of economic consequences.

Emulating them would make us that stupid. I guess that's what y'all think of most socons.

Posted by: someone (OG) at November 07, 2012 04:02 AM (oDtYC)

1058 So, restarted as I wanted to check 2004 numbers. Where are all the OH voters going?


2004, Ohio:

- Kerry: 2,739,952
- Bush: 2,858,727


2008, Ohio:

- Obama: 2,940,044
- McCain: 2,677,820

2012, Ohio (99%) :

- Obama: 2,672,302
- Romney: 2,571,539

WTF happened tonight. Romney's internals likely did have him up a point if they were pegging their benchmarks to retaining or increasing McCain's output.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 04:04 AM (jhI6f)

1059 It'shorrible that Allen West lost.

But now maybe he can step things up against the JEF on a national level. He's got the charisma balls to do it.

We've seen that nice doesnt work against the corrupt Chicago machine.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:04 AM (fkaOH)

1060 @1050, West lost because he's an idiot. For a military guy he has no SA and runs his mouth way too much. He's good to go on a lot of his stuff, but where he's weak he's a freaking train wreck.

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 04:05 AM (UidV/)

1061 "Emulating them would make us that stupid. I guess that's what y'all think of most socons."

i'm not sure there's a single argument against social conservatism that would preferentially have the gop running on state education and popular culture.

i think the argument against social conservatism is that it's a dead horse that nobody's really riding anymore.

america has changed. it doesn't look like the fifties.

it doesn't even look like the eighties!

the old race- and gay-baiting arguments that scared enough social conservatives across the lines in 2000 and 2004 are played out. they've got no more juice.

it's time for a serious rebranding...and the hard-line social conservatism is gonna have to step aside if conservatives want to be able to put together a large enough coalition to stem the rising tide of the leviathan.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 04:06 AM (79EF9)

1062 1060 Andrew,

That's right he's not fit to hold the jockstrap of barack Obama a real man.

You know something, if I ever run into Chuck Todd I am curb stomping him.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 04:07 AM (LRFds)

1063 I'll say this much.

I've been very disappointed in McCain.

But not Romney. I'm proud of his campaign and his message, which the people rejected.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:07 AM (SKX2R)

1064 1049

I see 2016 being wide open, having a clown car show similar to this year, including a woman (not Bachmann, thankfully, but sadly not Mia Love).

Jeb, Rubio, Santorum, Christie, Rand Paul, Kelly Ayotte and a few others will run.

Some will run on issues only like Paul (obvious) and Ayotte (for the McCain/Graham neocon vote).

Some will be firmly rejected like Bush (the name), Santorum (the socon record), and Christie (the Springsteen/Obama worship).

Rubio v. Cuomo - a great election for America, so long as we drive a stake in the heart of the Clintons beforehand. The Os will be in Hawaii enjoying their time out of the WH - I'm mostly convinced that TFG didn't want to be president again but loved campaigning and the adoration of the crowds.

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 04:08 AM (w4fEE)

1065 1061 Jimi Ray,

Good luck.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 04:08 AM (LRFds)

1066 "West lost because he's an idiot."

i always thought he was a really weak candidate, too.

besides his gaffes and his uncompromising positions, he's got some questionable behaviour in his military history betraying a propensity to break the rules to benefit the in-group and the expense of "the other".

is that really the type of guy we wanna send to washington, crossing our fingers that he won't be sucked into the culture? O.O

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 04:08 AM (79EF9)

1067 If anybody blames Romney for this they are delusional. Any republican running against these headwinds couldn't have done any better. Don't tell me Santorum would've won Ohio or Perry would've won Virginia. Santorum would've lost everywhere else and Perry would cheap skated his way to defeat in Ohio. In the end 10m McCain voters stayed home. Ralph Reed and his evangelical army were puffs of smoke. Romney lost the four states he needed by a total if ~310,000 votes. 310,000! We lost our republic because 80,000 people in four states stayed home. The high propensity voters on the right stayed home and Christie gave Obama the perfect photo op at the perfect time. Neither Romney nor Obama foresaw this outcome and Christie went honeymoon cuz Romney thought he had it in the bag. GET THIS IN YOUR WHINY HEADS JUST LIKE I GIT IT INTO MINE. WE LIST THUS CUZ WE STAYED HOME. NOT MITT BEING MITT OR NOT HAVING THE RIGHT CANDIDATE. WE LOST. FOR WANT OF 310,000 VOTES. Even with an adversarial media and the liberal messiah we only lost by 310k votes. That's what depresses me and makes me ready to fucking fight at the same time. If conservatism died tonight it's because we killed it with apathy. We did too well in 2010 and we list just enough of our fire that tonight happened. 310k votes I am so ashamed.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (gkfSV)

1068 I put the sports talk radio station on to try to avoid hearing about the election, and the asshole that on now, who admittedly hates politics, is talking about the rich boy and why he ever thought he could win. I guess talking about the latest Michael Vick atrocity isn't enough.

I want to go to bed but I still have 3 more beers to kill. I took tomorrow off to sleep off the hangover, but I thought it would be a happy one.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (yJYwC)

1069 1064 The Q,

Yeah well you nominate Rand Paul, or Chris "Barack's my boyfriend" Christie I'll either pull D or pull out. Christie just inherited the "Fuck Rawn Paul" chair and I will punish Rand for Ron's sins.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (LRFds)

1070 West is not an idiot. He's knowledgeable chaismatic. Plus he has no problem calling Obama for who what he is.

It's called being a man

If we had more of that, we might not be in this position.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:09 AM (fkaOH)

1071 @1063

They didn't reject it......their to manipulated to even know what they voted for or against.

Obama voters are a mile wide and a millimeter deep.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 04:10 AM (uvNSk)

1072 What the hell happened with the Tea Party? They rose up and threw out a huge chunk of the House just two years ago. I'm completely baffled in more ways than I can count.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (Mxt9o)

1073 I don't think it's fraud, but something odd is up.

At first, was obviously annoyed at the 2008 redux percentages, but I assumed the raw vote would be equal and it was just a demographic shift that was the new normal. Hell, Romney equaled Reagan's margins in the non-minority demographic, yet still lost due to minority growth.

But when you look at the raw numbers -- even allowing for the fact that they will be revised up with provisional, etc -- it's not that both sides turned out like 2008 and we just didn't have the ceiling numbers; Romney and Obama each underperformed McCain?!?


Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (jhI6f)

1074 The Republican brand is so badly damaged they will never win another presidential election. Too many like me have had it. I'm finished with them . They're useless.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (KDAAY)

1075 1049, remember during the RNC, everyone was marveling at the great "bench" the GOP had for the future?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 04:13 AM (yJYwC)

1076
@1067

How the hell could they stay home? How could they learn NOTHING from last time?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 04:13 AM (Mxt9o)

1077 Posted by: torquewrench at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (ymG7s)

Yes, excellent advice. Myself, here in Alberta, last time I had TV on was 9/11/01. Sawed off the antenna pole a couple of years later. I don't buy newspapers. News and entertainment off the Internet. Been even longer that I went to a movie theater.

You won't miss them, they just mess with your mind.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 07, 2012 04:13 AM (pFqpP)

1078 It's the end of being nice, and gracious, and generous. They hate you and see you as weak and easily beaten.

The long game is to survive until the rats start eating each other, and ensure you are the meanest, toughest rat out there. And don't apologise for ANYTHING.

Posted by: spotted reptile at November 07, 2012 04:14 AM (OFIz8)

1079
@257: "Be William Wallace."

He died horribly, and for nothing - Scotland didn't stay free.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 07, 2012 04:14 AM (i5OEK)

1080 Not that I disagree with this, but would be interested to see you back it up with some specifics. I can see this argument in some cases, not so much in others.
Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 03:49 AM (UidV/)


How many carrier battle groups does the rest of the world have?

How about charity? Not even counting foreign aid, how much of the UN do we pay for?

The figures for charity are stupid hard to find, I think they hide them deliberately. They tell you what percentage of people gave but not comparing totals from one country to another, because we embarrass the Hell out of everyone.

So say we stop. No carrier bringing aid after Tsunamis, no aid packages after Earthquakes, no bailing out Mexico or England to the tune of billions or more.

No more sea patrols, no more offset to regional expansion.

I guess we'll see what will happen.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 04:15 AM (bxiXv)

1081 1069 "Yeah well you nominate Rand Paul, or Chris "Barack's my boyfriend"
Christie I'll either pull D or pull out. Christie just inherited the
"Fuck Rawn Paul" chair and I will punish Rand for Ron's sins."

If you read the post, you'd see that it'll come out Rubio.

BUT, I agree on one of the two, but I'm pretty libertarian and believe in the Bible passage of not punishing the son for the sins of the father.

Christie is dead to me, and I may actively campaign for Cory Booker in 2013 because of this, though

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 04:16 AM (w4fEE)

1082 1078 It's the end of being nice, and gracious, and generous. They hate you and see you as weak and easily beaten. The long game is to survive until the rats start eating each other, and ensure you are the meanest, toughest rat out there. And don't apologise for ANYTHING.
_________________________________

^^^^^
This x 1,000,000

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:16 AM (fkaOH)

1083 We're thinking Northern Florida or Texas. Any fellow morons know any nice neighborhoods?
Posted by: Tunkhannock at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (TLjqs)

North of Gainesville, Southwest of Jacksonville. In FL.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 04:18 AM (nwHKt)

1084 "imi Ray,

Good luck."

if you mean, "good luck rebranding sufficiently in four years to capture a large enough share of the electorate", i know...i was just asking myself and others here who we really have for 2016 to go against cuomo. i thought paul ryan, after a successful romney presidency, could help put a more youthful face on the expanding gop tent in 8 years, but that's flown out of the window.

if you mean, "good luck doing it without social conservatives, because we fully intend to withhold our votes if republicans don't kowtow to our religious agendas", that's not very productive behaviour...

i understand the frustrations with your party not fully implementing your ideology. i have a similar frustration with the GOP, the party of personal responsibility, not wanting to afford responsible gay couples the social benefit of taking the ULTIMATE vow of responsibility, but i'm not going to withhold my vote because of it!

sometimes it's not a choice between everything you want and everything you don't want. in politics, in fact, it's all too often a choice between a lot of what you want and none of what you want.

i hope social conservatives would be able to see that the country, for better or worse, is going a different way than the socon agenda, and still vote republican if the party has to update its platform to capture a better share of the new american citizenry!

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 04:18 AM (79EF9)

1085 1082/1078 That's one of the reasons the Republican party is of no use now. We need to stop acting as if everything's just going back to normal.

Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 04:19 AM (KDAAY)

1086 1073 I don't think it's fraud, but something odd is up.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at November 07, 2012 04:11 AM (jhI6f)


75 Republican poll watchers were thrown out of polling places, some by force.

Dems were bragging online about cheating.

Holder repeatedly sent tacit signals that cheating by Dems would not be punished (NBPP, Voter ID campaigns, etc).

Naw, couldn't be.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 04:19 AM (bxiXv)

1087 Allen West's greatest problem is that he's a fine man, which makes for not the best politician but miles better than the detritus slop sloshing about that dosshole DC and actually exactly the type of man the Founders hoped would lead this country.

We live in a degenerate, degraded society. Obviously men like West are not cut out for governing it. It's the loss of this nation, which I will henceforth refer to as-

Dysfunction Junction

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 04:20 AM (Z6XSF)

1088 1083 We're thinking Northern Florida or Texas. Any fellow morons know any nice neighborhoods? Posted by: Tunkhannock at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (TLjqs) SW Florida- Ft Myers/Cape/Naples - is beautiful. And conservative.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:21 AM (fkaOH)

1089 I think what troubles me most is that when the commies come back this time, there's nobody on Tv to expose their schemes on a chalkboard.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 07, 2012 04:21 AM (nO18H)

1090 @1085

Depending on what happens over the month or so, it may be safe to assume elections may have been rigged for a long time.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 04:21 AM (uvNSk)

1091 I just noticed my hash tag (fkaOH). Fuck you all Ohio. Apropos!

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:23 AM (fkaOH)

1092 "If anybody blames Romney for this they are delusional."

Agree and disagree. I don't blame Romney per se but his positions. Romney is a lesser of two evils candidate. Yes there was a clear difference between him and SCOAMF, but in practice are they really that different? Romney's rhetoric didn't add up. He's going to spend more money, cut taxes, and somehow balance the budget? The whole ordeal struck me as business as usual and I think a lot of people felt that way. How many people didn't vote?

Posted by: Andrew at November 07, 2012 04:23 AM (UidV/)

1093 >>> besides his [West's] gaffes and his uncompromising positions, he's got some questionable behaviour in his military history betraying a propensity to break the rules to benefit the in-group and the expense of "the other".

This.

A thousand times this.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:23 AM (SKX2R)

1094 1093 >>> besides his [West's] gaffes and his uncompromising positions, he's got some questionable behaviour in his military history betraying a propensity to break the rules to benefit the in-group and the expense of "the other".
You all wouldn't know a fine brave man if you tripped over him.

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:26 AM (fkaOH)

1095 1076
I'm guessing Romney counted the McCain lists as high propensity voters as he was using McCain 08 as a baseline like everything else. They needed to be pushed and prodded to but somehow in his mythical gotv they slipped through the cracks. We should be talking about a Romney bloodbath right now instead of did Obama flip Montana. I honestly believe both sides were surprised by this outcome. The rest of us are just left to be infuriated. Obama himself couldn't reach McCain totals. It wasn't candidate or messaging or makers/takers that lost this. It was laziness by a population less than my hometown. We all called, we all pushed and prodded but the broken glass voters never materialized. The future belongs to those who show up and we instead went out for BLTs. Ten million stayed home! How could that have happened?

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 07, 2012 04:26 AM (gkfSV)

1096 "Some will be firmly rejected like Bush (the name), Santorum (the socon record), and Christie (the Springsteen/Obama worship)."

i don't know that the first two would even run!

santorum, i should hope, will have gotten the message after a handy trouncing by a candidate that nobody even really liked.

i've read that jeb is still nursing wounds over the "good son's" having been trounced by a prodigal older brother -- a brother who ruined any chance he had to someday be prez.

and christie, besides his friendliness with his state's dems and his aggressive style (plays well in NJ, but...), is just too fat to be prez. regardless of what today's "sophisticated" electorate says, fat politicians have a harder time winning...as well the really should, as they're supposed to be something like example citizens.

i guess i just dunno if rubio will have enough to go against cuomo in 2012...i would hate to waste another great challenger on a move to soon! i'm afraid paul ryan's higher political aspirations have been decisively curtailed with the loss tonite

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 04:27 AM (79EF9)

1097 1092
19 million voters from 08 failed to vote in 2012. 10 million McCain voters.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (gkfSV)

1098 19 million voters from 08 failed to vote in 2012. 10 million McCain voters.


It defies logic, doesn't it?

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:29 AM (fkaOH)

1099 @1097

No WaY......Something is wrong with the data!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 04:29 AM (uvNSk)

1100 This was stolen

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 07, 2012 04:30 AM (uvNSk)

1101 901 I'm one of those 3% in Germany that wanted Romney to win.But don't be too sad.Germany and Europe on the whole had Obama policies for decades - yeah, it makes bitter people, makes people envious of success, everyone who fails thinks that he is "entitled" to other peoples money (my mother begged my brother ones to park his Porsche on another street, so her social worker friends won't be mad ...)- but as long as you still have a spot to get away to, it's endurable ... And inflation is fought by globalisation - Germany sustains itself by selling machines and cars to a growing chinese middle-class - and consumers profit from cheap technology ...So it never hits as hard, as you might think on a day likes this ..

That aint us!!~eleventy!!!!!!!

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 04:30 AM (nwHKt)

1102 Its almost like GOP early votes were never counted

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:31 AM (fkaOH)

1103 1096 "i guess i just dunno if rubio will have enough to go against cuomo in
2012...i would hate to waste another great challenger on a move to soon!
i'm afraid paul ryan's higher political aspirations have been
decisively curtailed with the loss tonite "

I'm with you on Bush and Santorum, but I figure that a) people will flock to the most recognizable name and b) GOP voters, with exception of GWB in 2000, have gone to the runner-up in the previous primary, convincing Santorum ro tun (since Perry is too shaken and Gingrich is too old).

Of course, they will be soundly rejected by the voters.

You're right, though, about Ryan. The losing VP candidate has never had presidential success except for FDR, and it took him 12 years to get that done.

We can't wait 16 years for a Paul Ryan presidency - the country will be Zimbabwe by then

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 04:34 AM (w4fEE)

1104 The losing VP candidate has never had presidential success except for FDR

Richard Nixon?

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:35 AM (fkaOH)

1105 jimi Ray go full retard or whatever I am quickly getting beyond caring I held my nose and voted MAVERICK! in '08 despite my legendary hatred of the guy b/c I knew Obama by the stink in my nose...

I backed Mitt w/more than mid 4 figures in donations b/c I was certain too cool for school Fi Con would get it.

Fuck it if the candidate is not precisely to my liking I'll be cool like the libertards and cost the GOP the win perfection or communism no in between.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 04:36 AM (LRFds)

1106 1104 re: Nixon

Never a losing VP candidate - won the VP in 1952 and 1956.

Nixon was a losing de facto incumbent, the way Gore was in 2000. Different scenario (and, like Gore, Nixon probably won the popular vote!).

Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 04:37 AM (w4fEE)

1107
My calculus is this:

They say "Obama will have to reach across the aisle." That's beyond nuts. He didn't before, and now he has even less accountablilty. He did not have it in him before; it will not emerge now. Not that the suckers in the Republican Party won't give him a chance, and let him screw them.

So there will still be gridlock, and budgets will become a distant memory.

Obama has already declared that he will act where Congress fails to. In other words, he has already told us that he will usurp the power of Congress, writing his own laws through executive order and unaccountable agencies.

So, for the next four years, we will have a de facto dictatorship. Let's hope we're still able to have elections and try to undo this at the end of it.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 04:40 AM (Mxt9o)

1108 "GOP voters, with exception of GWB in 2000, have gone to the runner-up in the previous primary, convincing Santorum ro tun (since Perry is too shaken and Gingrich is too old)."

i figured huckabee was the runner-up last time...i guess it's just down to his obstinacy, but isn't that true of gingrich and santorum, who likewise stayed in the race long after the outcome was obvious? o.O

"You're right, though, about Ryan. The losing VP candidate has never had presidential success except for FDR"

>.

plus, he was hawt xP but i'm sad to see his chances dashed on the jagged remains of a romney candidacy. rich white banker just 4 years after 08...

surely banks cannot be held singularly accountable for the so-called great recession, but even conservatives hate the banks for having their bad investment decisions bailed out by tarp.

rich white banker while the country is still reeling from the 08 collapse? :/

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 04:41 AM (79EF9)

1109 I'd love to talk to Romney's #s guys. How would they have missed 10,000,000 voters?

Posted by: Marybeth at November 07, 2012 04:41 AM (fkaOH)

1110 Millions and millions of votes left in bags in some empty room, then burned or tossed in a lake?

Posted by: BuckNaked at November 07, 2012 04:43 AM (dlfef)

1111 >>> I'd love to talk to Romney's #s guys. How would they have missed 10,000,000 voters?

What I'd like to know is how many of those were Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:44 AM (SKX2R)

1112 Ben Franklin and De Tocqueville were right, imagine that. And craig kiss my ass, defense is actualy part of the Feds job according to that old piece of paper.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 04:46 AM (nwHKt)

1113 Re the numbers in Ohio - they did lose two electoral votes since 2008 - population shifts, etc. Doesn't explain the lower vote totals nationally, but it might explain at least a little of the Ohio difference. Could be that it was McCain voters who moved out of state.

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 04:52 AM (JwW4z)

1114 939
It all starts in kindergarten and on up through their public school eduction, where they are taught they cannot fail, that they are as "good" as anyone else, that they are as this and that as everyone else, even when they aren't.

I should have seen this coming two decades ago when I saw all the kids getting the highest marks possible for shitty work.

Posted by: gayle in ca at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (wgmUB)

It's the triumph of mediocrity.

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 04:53 AM (JwW4z)

1115 "What I'd like to know is how many of those were Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon."

i keep seeing people saying that "the evangelical vote was way down".

i wonder.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 04:54 AM (79EF9)

1116 In retrospect, it would've been a helluva lot better for the country if
Bush 43 had been a one-termer. Then the financial collapse would've
happened on Kerry's watch which would've guaranteed a Republican
President in 2008. This Republican (presumably) would've pursued
Republican economic policy which would've brought the economy roaring
back guaranteeing reelection in 2012 with a sterling bench ready to run
in 2016. I could've definitely put up with 4 years of John Kerry to save
me from 8 years of Obama.

Also, I always hear this from the smartest guys in the room:

"The Republicans simply must reach out to Hispanics!" Yeah no shit. Unfortunately
they're always at a loss when it comes to HOW exactly we do that without
sacrificing core principles. The American people have proven they
love them some style over substance, so I say we reach out to Hispanics
and women by putting nothing but on the national ticket. Rubio-Haley
2016!!!

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 04:56 AM (tDieS)

1117 "plus, he was hawt xP but i'm sad to see his chances dashed on the jagged remains of a romney candidacy. rich white banker just 4 years after 08... "

there was a pgph before this that got swallowed by the smiley:

"paul ryan has been my celebrity crush since 2010~xP i really thought he would be the one to put a youthful face on the gop, and the intellectual shine on his politics is something that the stodgy gop leadership sorely lacks. people feel more comfortable in the 21st century when numbers and science back up what they are told...even if they can't understand!"

something like that.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 04:57 AM (79EF9)

1118 That's a good question...where did millions of voters go? I can report, though I didn't want to say earlier for it would have been discouraging, that the GOP ground game in a LOT of states was just not up to it; my brother is a precinct captain in SW Virginia and 2 months ago, he told me a couple of horror stories about Romney HQ in VA...like no compiled lists of registered GOP voters, no signs or stickers ready to hand out, no phone lists ready to go, no contact information for other precinct captains. TWO MONTHS before the gorram election! He called a friend in NC to see how their campaign was going there...same thing. He made a stink and a couple of 'emergency meetings' were thrown together, but there was systematic inefficiencies very late in the game. There's more, but he crashed in bed and said would call me tomorrow.

Posted by: Mayans at November 07, 2012 04:58 AM (20NzC)

1119 939, 1114:

I don't think that theory is really borne out. You know which country is famous for haughty, judgemental primary teachers and a rating system that openly ranks all the pupils in the same primary classroom against each other? France.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 07, 2012 05:00 AM (DJgfL)

1120 The state that pisses me off the most is Wisconsin. After all of the Walker drama, including electing him in the first place, all of the Dem idiocy in that state, how do they turn around and vote for the SCOAMF?


Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 07, 2012 05:01 AM (yJYwC)

1121
The Dems have shown their willingness to manipulate numbers with the economy and jobs data of the last two months.
That's all I'm saying. Tonight's numbers and losses don't make sense. The numerous polls and pundits couldn't have all been wrong. I think we are going to see them inferring so in the next couple of weeks.
Even Barry and Shelly O looked glum before the vote and pleasantly surprised tonight. No, something is up and I've never been a conspiracy theorist to that extent before tonight.

Posted by: misty at November 07, 2012 05:02 AM (2crn8)

1122 "Yeah no shit. Unfortunately
they're always at a loss when it comes to HOW exactly we do that without
sacrificing core principles."

we can start by admitting there is really no way that we're going to get rid of the illegal immigrants here in the country already and looking for a better alternative than the socon lip-service litmus-test of "send em all back home".

self-deportation? what the fuck is that? that scares hispanics, creates an unpalatable sense of divisiveness and otherness, and doesn't even fully satisfy the socons who bitterly oppose the demographic shift in the usa.

since we're obviously not going to round them all up and deport them, and since self-deportation is a fucking joke of a cop-out, why don't we actually sit down and think about how we can address the issue and show rather conservative-leaning hispanics that we care about protecting their families...especially if they consider themselves hard-working members of the current foundational american infrastructure?

i guess i'm really just mad and need to go to sleep. i don't think i'm going to school tomorrow, tho. my fiancé and his comfort sex are in chicago -.-

life is bad tonite.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 05:03 AM (79EF9)

1123 Hell, Barry's supporters were buying him a house in Hawaii to live in after the election. Guess he doesn't need it now.

Posted by: misty at November 07, 2012 05:04 AM (2crn8)

1124 1122 Jimi Ray,

What first tier Anglic fucking economy do i just get to insert myself into and not pay fucking taxes?


Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 05:04 AM (LRFds)

1125 >>> "What I'd like to know is how many of those were Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon."

>>> i keep seeing people saying that "the evangelical vote was way down".

>>> i wonder
Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 04:54 AM

I hope ace has both the guts, and the awareness of that possibility, to post on it tomorrow.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:05 AM (SKX2R)

1126 Fuck come to think of it I can't even reverse fucking flow and "just hang out until they gift me citizenship" down in mexopolis

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 05:06 AM (LRFds)

1127 Of course they fucking cheated.

They cheated two years ago and four years ago.

There's a reason you don't see buildings with A.C.O.R.N. signs on it.

They even frequently get busted for it, or did until fuckface Holder got in.

I'd bet we don't catch 10% of the bastards who do it.

Ballots in the damned trunk, busing voters from one polling place to another in no-ID states with name lists, "losing" or delaying military ballots.

Remember Gore trying to stop counting military votes in 2000? They always do it, and they almost never get punished.

THERE IS NO LAW. Adjust to THAT reality.

Republicans are political pacifists, they sit out the fight hoping that someone will make the other guy obey the rules. Except no one else will.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 05:07 AM (bxiXv)

1128 Re: Romney's missing 10 million votes vs. McCain

I have a strong, strong suspicion that at the end of the day, a lot of Christians sat home and wouldn't vote for a Mormon.

It was actually my primary argument against Romney's nomination during the primary. Which is not a knock against Romney.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:07 AM (SKX2R)

1129 If Obama somehow stole this election through fraud, then America is over. If Obama did not steal this election through fraud and the people chose what he was offering over what R/R offered, then America is over. What am I missing, here?
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (ogdab)

That right there is one of the main reasons I`m saying fuck it. Vaya con Dios `cause I aint.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 05:08 AM (nwHKt)

1130 "What first tier Anglic fucking economy do i just get to insert myself into and not pay fucking taxes?"

so what are you gonna do?

are you gonna go be part of the militias rounding them up and sending them "back home"?

yes, it's wrong for them to come here without respecting laws.

yes, we need to secure our border and reform our system so it stops happening.

no, they aren't going anywhere. so instead of making enemies of them, why shouldn't we try to reach out to this group of conservative-leaning voters?

i'm not saying it's a good thing that they've broken the laws to get into this country. but a lot of them work for sub-minimum wage, and many of them, at least for many years, were too scared to try to take advantage of federal and state services, being undocumented. so they may not pay taxes, but many of them are net economically beneficial by not consuming as many of the benefits of citizenry and allowing businesses to pay fair market value for unskilled labour and bring cheaper goods and services to the american consumer.

that besides: they're not going anywhere. that's really the bottom line.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 05:09 AM (79EF9)

1131 @MorphysGhost

Don't worry, there's still plenty of time for the Republicans to be in opposition during an economic collapse. The bitter reality is that *neither* the mainline R nor D platforms have any real solution to this economic crisis. The Democrats are about to drink another spoonful of that medicine - "you *will* feel it"? Not half. Then it will likely be the Repubicans' turn.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 07, 2012 05:10 AM (DJgfL)

1132 Jimi Ray, "rounding them all up" is a straw man. The only righty who talks like that is Pat Buchanan, but he's an anti-Semite so who gives a shit what he thinks. Most of us know there has to be some sort of path to citizenship and are ok with it, but Republicans won't agree to that unless the border is beefed up first. Then when you talk about beefing up the border that scares off Hispanics so we're in a surreal, demographically suicidal merry-go-round.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 05:11 AM (tDieS)

1133 130 Jiminez Rayveaux,

They'll go the fuck home happily when bambi choom's done wrecking this motherfucking economy

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 05:11 AM (LRFds)

1134 1118
That's a good question...where did millions of voters go? I can report,
though I didn't want to say earlier for it would have been discouraging,
that the GOP ground game in a LOT of states was just not up to it; my
brother is a precinct captain in SW Virginia and 2 months ago, he told
me a couple of horror stories about Romney HQ in VA...like no compiled
lists of registered GOP voters, no signs or stickers ready to hand out,
no phone lists ready to go, no contact information for other precinct
captains. TWO MONTHS before the gorram election! He called a friend in
NC to see how their campaign was going there...same thing. He made a
stink and a couple of 'emergency meetings' were thrown together, but
there was systematic inefficiencies very late in the game. There's more,
but he crashed in bed and said would call me tomorrow.


Posted by: Mayans at November 07, 2012 04:58 AM (20NzC)

I think the RNC had its problems, too - I kept getting robocalls from the RNC about voting in Virginia - finally got one yesterday talking about Roanoke County. I live in Texas - never have lived in Roanoke, although I did live in northern VA in 1980!! But they were calling my TEXAS phone number. They certainly wasted enough money on direct mail to my TX address, so it's not like they didn't have half a clue where I was. Tried to send them a msg via the Virginia GOP web site, but it was messed up, too.

Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 05:11 AM (JwW4z)

1135 I have a strong, strong suspicion that at the end of the day, a lot of Christians sat home and wouldn't vote for a Mormon. Based on what? More likely a lot of libertarian-leaning Republicanssat home and wouldn't vote for a moderate.

Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 05:13 AM (Ou5cA)

1136 "Jimi Ray, "rounding them all up" is a straw man."

is it?

it's purposeful hyperbole, but i don't know that it's a straw man.

i think beefing up the border can be done in such a way that it doesn't scare hispanics, so long as its coupled with rhetoric that displays a clear service to the interest of hispanic families. maybe a path to citizenship.

the problem is, the prospect of a "path to citizenship" itself is pretty much anathema to the types of socon voters to whom immigration is a huge issue. since they have a visceral reaction to the prospect of "forgiving" the illegal immigrants of their crimes, what else can one believe than that they somehow expect that illegal immigrants will one day be deported? o.O

what's the alternative: self-deportation, really? that's a serious thing?

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 05:19 AM (79EF9)

1137 1115 "i keep seeing people saying that "the evangelical vote was way down"."

That's what I heard a few months ago from a friend of mine who had his ear to the GOP pollsters' inside view: Romney still had a very serious Mormon Problem with evangelical voters, even though the "Mormon thing" had faded from mainstream attention. I don't know for sure if that was borne out last night though.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 07, 2012 05:19 AM (DJgfL)

1138
This result is the final nail in the coffin for the credibility of Ace of Spades blog. I started reading some 10 odd years ago because it was funny and accurate and told the truth to the readers even when that truth was our side was going to take a beating.
No longer. It's not funny anymore and it's no longer a teller of hard truths. It's a GOP site now. Wishcasting to it's audience as part of the GOTV effort. That's why we are so stunned at this result, because we were fed bullshit that blinded us to what was actually happening. Anyone remember this site's crap about our chancesin '08 because I sure do.
And thanks to Ace's revelation a short while ago that he talked up McCains chances on this blog despite knowing the old fool was doomed, I can be pretty sure he just suckered us again. Well fuck that. Fuck your ad revenue, fuck your moderation and fuck yourbullshit partisan cheering.
When this blog changed from being one of the outsiders to wanting a seat at the popular kids table it all started failing. Now this is what it's reduced to. Filling the heads of it's reading with GOP bullshit, like we're stupid sheep.
I will never believe another word from this blog that has anything to do with elections.

Posted by: Mr Black at November 07, 2012 05:21 AM (JtOFX)

1139 >>> And thanks to Ace's revelation a short while ago that he talked up McCains chances on this blog despite knowing the old fool was doomed, I can be pretty sure he just suckered us again.

I don't think so. I think he played it straight this time.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:23 AM (SKX2R)

1140 All the Evangelicals I know (and there's a lot where I live) got out and voted for Romney because they hate the SCOAMF even more than the Mormon thing.

Posted by: Mayans at November 07, 2012 05:28 AM (20NzC)

1141 jimi ray and dumbsam, the new Republican Party, metrosexuals doing there best to show there smarts down here with us redneck clingers.

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 05:28 AM (nwHKt)

1142 Posted by: Mr Black at November 07, 2012 05:21 AM (JtOFX)
Bye

Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 05:32 AM (nwHKt)

1143 "And thanks to Ace's revelation a short while ago that he talked up McCains chances on this blog despite knowing the old fool was doomed, I can be pretty sure he just suckered us again.

I don't think so. I think he played it straight this time."

yeah. you can't be so harsh on ace.

he has been drifting from his once-unimpeachable scepticism and pains-taking. he has been selling out to his audience a little more.

but this is his job, and the readership is kind of like a customer base for him. ace gives the blog what the blog begs to see.

CAC gave one of the most conservative predictions -- still far too enthusiastic a prediction, as it turned out -- of the cobloggers here, only to be met with calls of derision, insults to his patriotism and intelligence, and advice that he emulate the methodologies of folks like barone and aoshq commenter (and personal microblogger) dave in fla.

that very commenter...Some Guy With An Internet Connection And A Little Free Time...apparently got his ridiculously optimistic results all the way up to ace's ear, and since his model was very popular in the comments section, ace had no choice but to try to keep the blog's readership -- his financial lifeblood -- happy by analysing his utterly incredible predictions.

ace tries really hard to be careful...and he's a lot more credible than 99% of the blogosphere because of it!...but even ace has got to give his "customers" what they ask for generally!

hopefully, he learns a little from the unavoidable blow to his credibility...but hopefully, too, the readers here learn to not be so dismissive of predictions that follow the polling results of centenarian polling organisations instead of Some Guy On The Internet.

don't blame ace for his response to your demands that he and his cobloggers showcase only the most positive, enthusiasm-building information here at the blog...you know, the non-eeyore stuff...

we should ask ace to tell us the truth instead of demanding that he highlight only the most sanguine polling results. that's what the blogs are for...to cut through the bullshit.

let's not blame him for our own blinders.

Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 05:38 AM (79EF9)

1144 Ouch, jimi ray.

Well put.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:40 AM (SKX2R)

1145 I don't blame Ace. I don't blame Kevin at HB. I don't blame anyone on this side. All the signs pointed to Romney. Obama was beaten yesterday and looked it. He had a concession speech ready.

He won by gaming the system today. You can't really fight against that without doing the same yourself. And then where are we.

No, Sauron defeated us today. We have to regroup and be there when he collapses under his own weight. It may take a while.

Posted by: spotted reptile at November 07, 2012 05:54 AM (OFIz8)

1146
jimi, you hit the nail on the head. Ace is in business now, and if the best business is selling bullshit to willing customers then that's where he'll go. And has gone. And that's why he can't be believed anymore. He's too willing to listen to bullshit when his GOP sources feed it to him and too willing to pass it on, even when it's suspect. He went from being a truth teller to a story teller, because the pay was better and he attracted an audience that liked to hear his stories.
It didn't used to be like this but the lure of Being Someone was too strong to resist and you can't be Someone when you're calling bullshit on the popular kids. And so now this blog sugar coats it for the willingly stupid. WE are the ones in danger of becoming the Reality Based Community. Ace is making a nice living from this, good for him. But he's done so by selling off what made him great in the begining. Now he's no different from any other GOP partisan. He'll tell us any stories we want to hear, so long as he gets paid.

Posted by: Mr Black at November 07, 2012 05:55 AM (JtOFX)

1147 i'm thinking more along the lines of "wait until he uses an EO to bypass Congress and riot until the whole thing collapses." mode myself.

Fuck him.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 05:56 AM (LRFds)

1148 1137 Which brings me to a sour observation about abortion. The supporters of abortion are, as we've just seen again, intensely motivated to do what it takes to win on the issue - fundamentally, because they think of it as a matter of vital self-interest. The opponents of abortion are not. Even including those who supposedly have strong anti-abortion positions; and most certainly including those rock-ribbed social conservatives. What motivates these guys to action? Gay marriage; Mormons; any number of issues instead of, and even at the expense of, the issue that supposedly ought to be their burning #1 priority. It's not really much of a contest.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 07, 2012 05:56 AM (DJgfL)

1149 >>> All the signs pointed to Romney.

Well, except for the polls. I think you'd have to include those under the category of "signs".

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:57 AM (SKX2R)

1150 I'm the opposite of your assertion, anonymous irishman.

I'm pro-abortion, but support right-wing economic and security positions strongly enough that I routinely support pro-life candidates.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:59 AM (SKX2R)

1151 It'll be interesting to see what the Market thinks of this...

Posted by: Lynne at November 07, 2012 05:59 AM (coNWF)

1152 The political careers of three men came to an end tonight: Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, and Chris Christie.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 06:06 AM (tDieS)

1153 @1147

The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just
received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently.
The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever.

Posted by: Gov Tarkin at November 07, 2012 06:06 AM (E7Iyp)

1154 Just another reminder: due to continuous non-White mass immigration, the electorate shifts another point or two against the Republican Party every election cycle.

For years, conservative blogs have ruled discussion of that out of court, saying only that the odds are not too bad yet, in this election, and what real men do is focus on the scandal of the week, the poll of the week, and electioneering.

That approach has failed totally. The Republican Party has to aim at the revival of its supporters, who are 90% White. If it continues to do nothing for its base, things will just get worse, and worse, and worse.

Conservative blogs should not rule out the revival of the White male working class base as "irrelevant" and "not practical" any more.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 06:07 AM (1QsHl)

1155 I don't disagree that talking about race should be allowed, The Lightworker. And that includes the white peoples.

However, how do you think one cobbles together a victory with a declining demographic? That's the part that mystifies me.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:13 AM (SKX2R)

1156 Anybody else get the impression that Spamwise is just jimi ray with a shift key? The way they are fellating each other, they need to get a room.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 07, 2012 06:15 AM (pFqpP)

1157 White people seem to be the only race stupid enough to spread their vote
around and give a little to each party. They need to wise up and start
being a 90% monolith like some folks who shall remain nameless.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (tDieS)

1158 How could we have been so wrong and how could the rest of America be fooled twice? I am in shock.

Posted by: DefendUSA at November 07, 2012 06:22 AM (nAHMK)

1159 Secession. Seriously. Secession or accept that you're helping the new Nazis.

Posted by: Why at November 07, 2012 06:25 AM (knmap)

1160 I don't know how this happened.

The polls, even the liberal ones, indicated independents breaking sharply for Romney. Who in their right mind would believe a D+8 electorate again?

I am heartbroken. I cried last night. For Gov Romney. For the country. For my children.

No, Mitt Romney was not a bad candidate. If a good, decent man who visibly loves his country with a stellar business acumen cannot be elected in dire times like this....who could have been? Did he make some mistakes? Sure. Did he have some great moments? Yes. But, I cannot see how anyone else could have done any better.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 06:30 AM (d9XKS)

1161 Tickled Pink, we're discussing what I consider to be a quite plausible theory on the other thread.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334730#c19630514

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (SKX2R)

1162 What the hell did you expect, you idiot?

1) For as long as I've been watching politics, anybody saying "The polls are wrong!" has simply been deluding themselves.

2) Romney was the worst possible candidate. "Not Obama" is Not Enough. "Go Team Red" is Not Enough. Forcing an unacceptable candidate down the throats of party dissidents and then shouting them down when they object is idiotic. On every policy of ACTUAL SUBSTANCE, Romney's position was functionally indistinguishable from Obama's, except for where Romney's was worse.

3) Republicans have spent the past fifty years determinedly importing a massive nonwhite population all while hallucinating that nonwhites aren't racist and it's racist to think otherwise. Get this through your fucking skulls: ONLY WHITES ARE ANTIRACIST. And it is a stupid and suicidal thing for whites to do. These immigrants vote Democratic by massive amounts because the Democrats are the anti-white party, and the Republicans deliberately work for that result and encourage it and then are confused when losing elections. Republicans have the choice of 1) becoming a carbon copy of the Democrats (which they are pretty close to already, 2) NOT BEING ANTIRACIST, 3) losing. Forever.

Texas already has a majority of its children as nonwhite.

http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2011/02/texas-demographer-its-basically-over-for-anglos/

In twenty years, that means a Texas that NEVER VOTES REPUBLICAN ON ANYTHING. No. They WILL NOT magically become good conservative voters. They're fucking Aztecs, for crying out loud.

PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT, WILL VOTE AND BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THOSE DIFFERENCES, AND DUMPING THEM INTO AN AMERICAN SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT CHANGES THAT ENVIRONMENT, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MOVED.

And they know who their enemies are. You don't. Yet.

Wake up.

Posted by: Rollory at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (iTTjg)

1163 "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
- Winston Churchill

I think establishment GOP guys will tell Ace and other conservative bloggers to get back on the job selling the same old same old, effectively working for them, personally, while they continue to pursue the policies that allow the hard-line locked-in Democrat vote to creep up to 48%, then 49%, then 50%, then 51%...

Because they don't care. They're just cashing in, and beyond the time frame of their next election they're indifferent. Plus, the party elite is way to the left of the base, because "leftism" is still in favor with with academia, which highly educated but intellectually insecure conservative elites still respect.

What's going on is a colossal sell-out. The interests of an anti-White elite point one way; the interests of the base lie another way. Fundamentally, continuous mass immigration plus forced integration and assimilation is genocidal. It means that the old White ethnic base of conservatism will cease to exist, inevitably. Some people, the future generations of present elites, will be able to get on a plane to Rome or Paris or Jerusalem or London, and leave and have a future as wealthy cosmopolitans. But most won't be able to do that. For most this means that the future for them is a dead end, where neither their genes nor their values will survive.

You have to decide whose side you are really on and what you really want.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 06:39 AM (Thv6H)

1164 1150 Duly noted. But still - generally, in the clutch, supporting abortion gets out many more votes than opposing it. It also seems that US abortion supporters who do vote Republican don't just do it because they decide to put other issues ahead of abortion - they do it because they judge that the odds of a serious setback to the pro-abortion position are fairly low even if the Republicans do do well. History seems to suggest that they're likely right about that. God only knows what will happen to the Grand Old Party if its Schroedinger's-cat position on abortion - "roll it back, but (nudge, wink) all in good time" - hits a real moment of decision.

Of course that's not the GOP's only quantum superposition: there's also immigration (as above), or Wall Street bailouts.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 07, 2012 06:39 AM (DJgfL)

1165 "Secession. Seriously. Secession or accept that you're helping the new Nazis."

Why not? Nationhood is truly fucked.

I seriously think we are heading back 20,000 years.

Posted by: spotted reptile at November 07, 2012 06:40 AM (OFIz8)

1166 Rollory, I wish it were otherwise, but I believe your thinking is sound on all points.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:42 AM (SKX2R)

1167 Some quality trolling by SAMWISE GAMGEE going on here.

Who's paying you? The White House, or the Bushies more like it. Blame the Evangelicals all you want. It's either them or the Jews, right?

A little birdie tells me that we're going to see a lot people on Right blogs bagging on the Evangelicals, and anti-Amnesty people and So Cons. Talking about The Latino Vote and how we need to compromise. Funny that's just the topic of Jeb Bush's new blockbuster political tome. Funny that just before Obamacare was upheld by Grand Master Roberts, it was the same Jeb Bush who penned an Op-Ed in one of the major East Coast papers trumpeting bipartisanship and compromise as the path to stability in the future. Just as the entire world saw that law was about to go down, just when we saw Obamacare lawyers utterly destroyed in their arguments before the Supreme Court and everyone could see the country rejected completely that law and the entire Statist Globalist agenda, it was only Jeb Bush who had the foresight to see reality- that we need to compromise and accommodate ourselves to it.

This country was all geared up to toss that ghoulish imposter out of the White House yesterday. We all know it. Everyone even the Dem spokesliars showed it in their faces when even they couldn't lie enough to hide it. Now they're going to try to make us forget what we saw right in front of our eyes.

As if the Scott Walker blowout didn't happen just five months ago.

Watch the blogs for these trolls and what they say. Listen to the Medveds and the "compromise" line that they've been paid to dish out. How we need to move away from these entrenched Conservative positions in the name of "gettin stuff done".

This election was a fraud and those numbers are false.

"Barack Obama" is a completely fraudulent identity. He was created to perform a certain job and he's been kept in office to see it through.

Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 06:42 AM (Z6XSF)

1168 Yeah I agree I think Mitt Romney ran about as good a campaign as can be expected, I won't soon forget how he stomped Obama in that first debate. I guess we'll hear for sure as the numbers get analyzed but I suspect GOP turnout probably wasn't actually that high and part of that may have been the Mormon factor and the Romneycare factor It also seems Democratic turnout was really high, probably because of minority turnout and Obama's successful scaremongering with the war on women stuff. Probably Romney should have been more aggressive in batting that charge down. The recall in Wisconsin and 2010 elections may have been kind of a tease because Obama wasn't at stake so Democrats and minority voters didn't really turn out in those, not like they turned out yesterday anyway.

We could have really used a man like Romney at the helm for the coming crises but looks like we'll have to make do with Obama, personally I'm not optimistc that Obama has learned any lessons from his first term and so he will most likely fail. There will be plenty of 'I told you so' moments for republicans in the next 4 years and I suspect the Obama and Dem brand will be damaged goods by 2016, like republicans and Bush were in 2008.

Posted by: Blah at November 07, 2012 06:45 AM (nz7Cj)

1169 Rollory, I reposted your comment here because there's an active discussion going on and I think it bears thinking about:
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=334730#c19630572

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:45 AM (SKX2R)

1170 1155 I don't disagree that talking about race should be allowed, The Lightworker. And that includes the white peoples.

However, how do you think one cobbles together a victory with a declining demographic? That's the part that mystifies me.
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I'm glad to start with at least partial agreement.

The demographic decline of the White working class male is not a natural thing, it's a political thing. It was produced by policies that drive up the cost of raising a family, make it harder for Whites to get jobs that could support a family, and tougher to compete with ongoing mass immigration, which just swamps the Whites.

The GOP needs to fight to overturn those policies. It needs to make it 100% clear to its supporters that in getting a job, in raising a family, in getting promoted and in every way, your party the GOP is on your side.

Also, the GOP needs a more practical attitude. When Reagan took power, he refused to stack all federal agencies with his supporters, because he said he was there to drain the swamp, not control it. Well the swamp didn't get drained and the left controls it. The GOP needs to struggle to control institutions, and it needs to play the jobs for the boys game for real, and better than the left does.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 06:51 AM (Thv6H)

1171 This post from Hot Air:

TELL ME IF THIS MAKES SENSE:

POTUS VOTE TOTALS:

1996 – 94,683,948
2000 – 101,455,899 (+7%)
2004 – 121,069,054 (+19%)
2008 – 129,389,711 (+7%)
2012 – 115,562,372 (-11%)

So after at least 7% voter growth every election since 1996, in 2012 we drop 11%!!!! Has anything like this ever happened before? If you look at voters as a % of population the drop is even more staggering.

And yet, polling stations had to remain open extra hours because of their sheer volume of voters?

mitchellvii on November 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM

Comments?

Posted by: spotted reptile at November 07, 2012 06:51 AM (OFIz8)

1172 Thanks for answering, The Lightworker.

I'm not optimistic there is a realistic solution to the problem, but I appreciate you mapping out your thoughts on it, which could make somewhat of a difference.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 06:54 AM (SKX2R)

1173 Well we've finally come to the stage where the republic ends. half of the population has decided to vote themselves more of our treasure.
The nightmare has just started.

Posted by: Mueller at November 07, 2012 06:56 AM (DAkK/)

1174 Glen Reynolds (Instapundit) has a really good idea: repeal the Hollywood tax cuts!

The GOP does nothing with ideas like this. They don't fight for institutions, they don't try to reduce the freebies that their proven enemies get, and they cooperate in driving down the demographic support base of conservatism, the White working class male, with genocidal levels of mass immigration.

I advocate that the GOP abandon the Jonah Goldberg theory that liberals are for particular groups of people, while conservatives are for "everybody" (which really means, for nobody).

Struggle to grow that support base! Help the working class White male so he can help you. (Above all, help him get and stay married, it makes huge difference.) Try to take over institutions, the way the left has - start stacking academia at every opportunity - you might not win, but try as hard as you can every time. And repeal the Hollywood tax cuts, and all other tax-funded freebies for leftists.

This would be completely different from and much more practical than what the GOP has done. What the GOP has been doing has hit a dead end.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 07:05 AM (Thv6H)

1175 Dude. Four years? Do you really have the delusion that it even matters who runs in 4 years? The Democrats just won with the worst possible candidate at the worst time in human history running the most empty, nasty campaign ever against a decent, noble guy who epitomizes the American dream and won.

Its over, don't you get it? This wasn't just another election, this was the last chance.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (r4wIV)

Amen!

Posted by: Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 07:15 AM (IJHzz)

1176 No, spotted reptile, it's so much bullshit. My jaw dropped when I looked at the final tally for last night and compared it to the Popular Vote numbers of 2008.

If it's true that these are the actual numbers, then I haven't seen a scam run like that was this damn obvious.

The counting for most of the states is reported at 99% complete. Most of the rest are counted 90-98% complete. Oregon and Colorado are around 70% counted. It impossible that votes remaining to be counted could add up to 18.5 million. Not to mention there should be a sizable increase in the total votes cast as opposed to 2008.

I'm also interested in any comments on this.


Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 07:15 AM (Z6XSF)

1177 1172 Thanks for talking seriously, Samwise Gamgee the 3rd.

I want people to see that the GOP routine of the last few decades is like a wrecked car with its nose against a big wall, and in the wall is painted: END OF THE ROAD.

It's time for fundamental thinking, for rejecting conventional lies, and for deciding who you stand for and what you care about.

Personally, I'm ardently, absolutely pro-life. But I see the end of the road.

There are so many other things that I would like to be better that I can now see are not going to be better.

The house is burning, much will be lost, and some things are too heavy to move, even if I would not have willingly abandoned them.

Everybody has to decide what their bottom line is.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 07:18 AM (Thv6H)

1178 Normally, if it were any other candidate, I would have just shrugged it off and said, "Wait until 2016." But I can't this time. This election was too important. And our country blew it.
Posted by: scoop11 at November 07, 2012 03:39 AM (fIBmG)

And thats just it! This wasn't just another election with some other candidate. If only everybody would get that. My girlfriend, bless her heart, is one of those people. She just doesn't understand why I was so passionate about voting for Romney and that she too, should vote. I suppose that maybe it is some sort of a blessing to be so disconnected like that. Not a worry in the world, except maybe the occasional "gee, I wonder what Rachael Ray is cooking today", that kind of shit. I feel like we are all Lambs heading to the slaughter. Some going willingly and others (us), who know what we're walking into.

Posted by: Urban Achiever at November 07, 2012 07:30 AM (IJHzz)

1179 1053 I guess I'm done. Have fun friends, its been a weird and often entertaining six years or so. I hope you have a good life, take care of your loved ones and weather the storm.
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Live long and prosper, Christopher Taylor.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 07:32 AM (Thv6H)

1180 Sucks to be you, wingnuts. Have a nice day.

Posted by: John at November 07, 2012 08:15 AM (siwsF)

1181 was in line this morning waiting to buy my bus ticket at the BUS STATION.....and the woman in front was asking for a train ticket--everyone inline told her this was the bus station and the line is only for bus tickets- and she couldn't fathom why she couldnt get her train ticket here as well---i swear to god--while all this was going on--i bet the house she was one of the obummer voter.

Posted by: nygal at November 07, 2012 08:33 AM (SCEP2)

1182 >>hell, even i'm pro-life...and there's not a drop of religion in me.

this idea that emergency contraception, which is in most cases not abortifacient and cannot possibly be said to "take a life", be withheld from rape victims is toxic.

how could anyone believe that medicine preventing a pregnancy should be withheld from a rape victim?
Posted by: jimi ray at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (79EF9)"

If it is "in most cases" not an abortifacient, its just happenstance. If that's so. You're guessing about that, because nobody can tell. They function by flushing the uterus, not by preventing conception. If no conception had occurred, the zygote is flushed, and it's not an abortifacient because there's no pregnancy without conception. If conception had occurred, it interrupted the pregnancy and was an abortifacient. That has nothing to do with the operation of the drug. It doesn't prevent conception.

As for "clearly not taking a life", clearly chemical OTC day-after pills do take lives. Adult women. When I say "flushing the uterus" I mean of course hours or days of cramps and menstruation. If life-threatening complications to this unusual activity occur, the symptons are sharp abdominal pain and hemorrhage. If you are confused by the difference between cramps and heavy menstruation, and abdominal pains and hemorrhage, so are too many women who didn't go to a doctor in time, and died. The whole point of chemical abortion is to avoid a physician's supervision, and PP is expert at avoiding any link between reported complications and their "basic preventative care".

As for how I can oppose it, since it is and would be administered without any requirement to report a rape to police, it exploits victims of rape, beyond the obvious evil of abortion.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 07, 2012 08:34 AM (hyU6R)

1183 Will not watch either concession speech or Barky victory lap x 2.

Romney and Ryan were the best men to lead us to economic prosperity. Such is our great loss today.

I will not give up. I need to recharge, but I will not, ever, give up.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, raving lunatic about Benghazi at November 07, 2012 08:35 AM (baL2B)

1184 As in the Anothony Boucher SF story about a crucial election much like this one in the US, I say, "I'm going to be in mourning for the finest working democracy ever constructed by man."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 07, 2012 09:13 AM (BDU/a)

1185 And they know who their enemies are. You don't. Yet. Wake up.
Posted by: Rollory at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (iTTjg)

I'm a Party of Lincoln Republican who believes founding principles transcend superficial attributes such as skin color and ethnicity. We go down the dark road you advocate and we become just another tribal demographic, doomed to extinction.As a people, a nation, we're either about freedom or we're about nothing at all, and will soon dissolve into warring factions fighting for an ever-dwindling number of scraps.

Take it over to Stormfront and get the fuck out of here.

Posted by: troyriser at November 07, 2012 10:09 AM (vtiE6)

1186 I was talking to someone in-the-know the other day who told me that the
expropriation of our retirement accounts was on the table to pay for
this massive spending...and that it is actually legal for them to do it.

Posted by: Albie Damned at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM


THIS is why I never switched to a Roth IRA. Because I knew they'd find a way to double tax the income they already taxed. It's coming, believe me.


Posted by: pro-life taxpayer who plans on withholding the abortion tax; at least in jail they'll have to pay fo at November 07, 2012 10:49 AM (whMsz)

1187 TLGM and others:

True fact: WHERE THERE IS LIFE, THERE IS HOPE.

Death is irreversible.

People in the Soviet Union hung through much, much worse. We can hang in there.

This story's not over yet.

This country, this election, these idiots -- NONE of 'em are worth ending the one and only life you have.

Your life is a unique story. If you close the book early, you -- and we -- will never know what the ending would have been. Don't deprive yourself -- or us -- of that!

Miracles do happen. Shit does get redeemed. But you've gotta just keep showing up. Just keep showing up! And find someone to talk to.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 07, 2012 11:00 AM (F0o5k)

1188 Was sent to this thread by a friend, was promised great entertainment. You lunatics do not disappoint. I had no idea so many mentally ill people had internet access. You really have no idea how ridiculous you are, or how out-of-step with real patriotic Americans you are, do you? Keep being hilarious, wingnuts.

Posted by: Four More Years at November 07, 2012 05:00 PM (7SK8U)

1189 Allahpundit is one of the smartest people out there, and this is his take on it, looking at exit polls:

One question I’m seeing in the comments is, “Did evangelicals turn out for Romney”? Yep, looks that way. Turnout among Protestants generally dropped slightly from 2008 (54% to 53%) but Romney’s share of the vote increased from 54% to 57%. Among white evangelicals specifically, turnout was steady at 26% of the electorate from four years ago and Romney took 78% of the vote compared to just 74% for McCain. If you’d rather slice the data by how often people go to church, the number who attend at least weekly rose from 39% in 2008 to 42% this time. McCain won 55% of that group. Romney won 59%. He improved on McCain’s numbers among Jewish voters too, from 21% of the vote in 2008 to 30% this time (or maybe more), the highest take for a Republican since 1988. If there’s any religious group that underperformed for him, it’s Catholics. He did improve on McCain’s numbers — from 45% to 48% — but O still won a majority despite the abortion-rights jamboree at the convention and the contraception mandate. Catholic turnout was down two points this time, however.

The interest in the comments in evangelicals, I think, is due to people looking at Romney’s popular vote total and wondering where all the votes went. McCain won just shy of 60 million votes in 2008. As I’m writing this, Politico’s popular vote tracker has Romney at 57.6 million. Where’d all the votes go? Possible answer: Nowhere. They’re out there, they just haven’t been counted yet, says John Podhoretz
http://goo.gl/Gaabn

Podhoretz is also someone whose opinion I value.

I think it was and is a valid hypothesis to look at, but the tale must be told by the numbers.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:37 PM (SKX2R)

1190 I know many here think us people of faith are idiots, but you know what?

We are not freaking out nearly like the rest of you are. It actually confirms many of my thoughts about where the world is right now, including this country.

Now, let me also tell you I am not a quitter and unless God tells me or makes me quit, I carry on. (He is never spoken to me audibly either okay).

Until many of you realize that this time on earth is temporary, maybe God will continue to try and get your attention. Why don't you seek Him now so all of us don't have to suffer with you?

Posted by: jlfintx at November 07, 2012 10:32 PM (Wnk4X)

1191
"1190I know many here think us people of faith are idiots, but you know what?

We are not freaking out nearly like the rest of you are. It actually confirms many of my thoughts about where the world is right now, including this country."

My husband really believes were are in the last days. He keeps quoting the part where the Bible says people will turn from sound teaching. Hard to argue the point.

Posted by: Lily at November 07, 2012 11:51 PM (fOvLk)

1192 Ahhhhhhhhh...the sweet sweet sound of all you inbred, ignorant assholes crying in your beer is such sweet music. Douchebags....

Posted by: Inbred TeaBagger at November 08, 2012 12:03 AM (+y2k6)






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