Why I Will Vote for Mitt Romney

I am not -- to put it mildly -- a fan of Mitt Romney. To me, he is, in blood and bone, simply another statist technocrat who will do little or nothing to stop the growth of Leviathan. I fully concur with the estimable and wise Richard Epstein in most of the particulars regarding Mr. Romney.

Romney has wooed conservatives assiduously, even to the extent of taking on Paul Ryan as his running-mate. I have remained immune to Romney's blandishments (I know his record), yet his choice of Paul Ryan kindled a spark of hope in the dead black cinder of my heart. This is why I shall cast my vote for Mitt Romney tomorrow. I find myself once again, as I did in 2008, voting for a Vice President rather than a President. Once again faith must trump bitter experience.

Paul Ryan understands the true dimensions of our fiscal peril. That's rare enough in the precincts of Washington, D.C. But it's not all dollars and cents to him: he understands the role of culture and religion in the American character, and how those things have contributed to the fiscal abyss we now face. The entitlement state says some good things about us as a people: we are caring, kind, generous, and optimistic. But it also says some bad things: we are spendthrift, needy, gullible, and more willing to accept the benefits of a democratic republic than we are the burdens of it. Paul Ryan will need to be the spokesman for a fundamental reform of America's entitlement state, and we could not have asked for a better one. (And let us not forget that should the Senate split 50/50, Ryan will cast the tie-breaking vote.)

As for Mitt Romney.... He gives every indication of being personally a decent and honorable man. But this is true of many men who turned out to be utter villains while in public office. I deplore his record as Governor in Massachusetts, and can only pray that he will live up to the faith small-government conservatives are placing in him. If he wins, his mandate will be to shrink government and not be a custodian of the bloated monster we have now. It will be to fundamentally reform the tax code. It will be to use all his power to repeal the abomination that is ObamaCare. It will be to once and for all explain to Americans why the entitlement state we have now is untenable, and why it must be completely reformed. (I was going to say "abolished" but a libertarian heart does not beat in Mitt's breast -- or Paul Ryan's, for that matter; the most we can hope for is slow and incremental reform.) If he fails in this, he is sounding the death knell of the GOP as far as I'm concerned. This is the last time I will be played for a fool.

I was, I admit, tempted to either sit out this election or to vote for the Libertarian candidate. Bill Whittle convinced me otherwise. Like him, I am tired of being played for a sucker by the milquetoast GOP all these years... but also like him, I am terrified of what four more years of Obama will bring.

Mitt Romney is an unpalatable choice, but only taken in isolation and on his own terms. Compared with Barack Obama, he is the only possible choice. This is not an occasion for the grand, doomed gesture. I know what I want: a nation that is sober, thoughtful, thrifty, proud, culturally strong, and confident both within and without. With a President Mitt Romney, I at least have the hope of seeing such a thing come to pass. Under a second Barack Obama term, that hope would be snuffed out. I cast a vote for Mitt Romney not on his record, which I hate; but rather on the hopes that he will behave differently as President.

We can choose to be free citizens who control our own government, or we can be dependent vassals to an increasingly-overbearing federal government. Citizen, or subject. We must choose.

And we must remember that our children will bear the consequences of the choice we make.

If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide. -- Abraham Lincoln

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UPDATE: For those who think I'm being too downbeat, you might want to read this piece by Paul Rahe over at Ricochet. Professor Rahe has been predicting a Romney avalanche since August, and is seeing nothing at this late stage to change his opinion. Michael Barone likewise predicts a substantial Romney victory. The preference cascade may be in full swing.

Posted by: Monty at 07:17 PM



Comments

1 Agree 100%, Monty!

Btw - I miss your doom threads.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 05, 2012 07:20 PM (0pEXw)

2
Screw Barack Obama.

I'm no fan of Mittens but I'll crawl accross broken flaming glass to vote for him.

Posted by: Gmac - who despises the SCoaMF and his minions at November 05, 2012 07:20 PM (IanLz)

3 Easiest decision to make, perhaps in your lifetime.

Posted by: Rich C at November 05, 2012 07:20 PM (eB0I6)

4 BuzzKill Doom !!! Just what the doctor ordered.

Posted by: grease monkey at November 05, 2012 07:20 PM (VSWPU)

5
Mitt could surprise us and be Reaganesque.
Even if Mitt lets us down, nothing is so far down than the corruption of the modern democrat party.

http://tinyurl.com/cwyhaw5

Posted by: Fresh at November 05, 2012 07:20 PM (O7ksG)

6 I voted for Romney, and if he wins, I start campaigning for Gary Johnson 2016 on November 7th.

If he loses, I'm moving to Costa Rica.

Posted by: Jason M at November 05, 2012 07:21 PM (Be0fb)

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserablefailure.

Posted by: Gmac - who despises the SCoaMF and his minions at November 05, 2012 07:21 PM (IanLz)

8 Good for you, Monty. I hope you're somewhere your vote counts.

Posted by: LASue at November 05, 2012 07:21 PM (gjIQF)

9 Yeah, that's about where I'm at too.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 05, 2012 07:21 PM (J4gw3)

10 Citizen or subject. What does it matter as long as the grain is distributed on time?

Posted by: Augustus Caesar at November 05, 2012 07:22 PM (QKKT0)

11 Well said, Monty.

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:22 PM (5H6zj)

12 OT/

What's the latest news? Have the Monday, final day, Ohio early votes come in?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 05, 2012 07:22 PM (zrpqj)

13 YAAAAAAAAAAAAWN!!!!!!!

Hey Look at me being Magnanimous!

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 07:22 PM (ck76k)

14 WHATS UP MORONS!

WE ARE GONNA WIN!

I GOT A D+ELEVENTY IN MAH PANTS!

Has that little bitch Samwise Clamcheese been eeyoring all day?

Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 07:23 PM (ovpNn)

15
I need a drink. Or seven.

Posted by: Jaws at November 05, 2012 07:23 PM (A3yiq)

16 Monty, time to take off the doom-colored glasses. Even though he will piss us off at times and make bad decisions, Mitt Romney will be light years better for this country than Obama.

Posted by: Travis at November 05, 2012 07:23 PM (9WkMB)

17 Since you brought up "libertarian," it appears Gary Johnson is trying to make himself into the new Ron Paul, with all the cocksucking that entails.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 05, 2012 07:23 PM (T0NGe)

18 Well, I guess Romney can rest easy now that he has Monty's vote.

Posted by: slug at November 05, 2012 07:25 PM (vVv3V)

19 Oh, the places I'll go tomorrow.

Posted by: Sideways Pineapple at November 05, 2012 07:25 PM (48wze)

20 "I find myself once again, as I did in 2008, voting for a Vice President rather than a President."

What was your purpose in writing that screed? You were trying to impress us with your stupidity?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 05, 2012 07:25 PM (GZitp)

21 ABO

Posted by: seamrog at November 05, 2012 07:25 PM (afXC9)

22 "
Monty, time to take off the doom-colored glasses. Even though he will
piss us off at times and make bad decisions, Mitt Romney will be light
years better for this country than Obama.

Posted by: Travis at November 05, 2012 07:23 PM (9WkMB)"
That's what Monty said.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 05, 2012 07:25 PM (0pEXw)

23 I should add, I was never tempted to vote Libertarian or for anyone other than Romney-Ryan even here in a safe state.

I *did* look into the alternatives to Hatch, but I can't go with the isolationist bent of the Constitutional or Libertarian candids, so I left it blank.

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:26 PM (5H6zj)

24 Okay, okay morons, let's not celebrate anything quite yet....mmmm it feels good though. No! Must focus...must focus. Keep it going...don't celebrate quite yet...ahhhhhhh, I can't hold it any longer...IT FEELS TOO GOOD...AHHHHHOHHHHHAHAH...

Posted by: Pre-Mature Mitt Victory Celebration at November 05, 2012 07:26 PM (F6KtL)

25 The libertarians i know in the Tea Party movement have been working feverishly for Mitt because of the very reason you cited. They truly think America as we know it is over if Obama gets 4 more years, and if Romney wins they intend to hold Mitt's feet to the fire. I though Bill Whittle's video was excellent. I hope you sent it to any people you know who plan to sit this out or vote for Johnson.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2012 07:26 PM (jkDqy)

26 Montgomery!

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 05, 2012 07:26 PM (Iyg03)

27 Now, that should help the digestion.

Posted by: Cricket at November 05, 2012 07:26 PM (2ArJQ)

28 Monty!! Good to see you again. Miss the Daily Doom.

Looking at the alternative, how could anyone who wants what you espoused not vote for Romney?

Posted by: Boomer Redneque voted for Romney/Ryan on Nov 1 at November 05, 2012 07:27 PM (eQnzo)

29 Damn ! "The Negative Waves " are not what we need from
Monty Moriarty....

Mitt Wasn't my first choice either but he's light years ahead of our 2008 choice...

Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 05, 2012 07:27 PM (XIsD/)

30 BTW, with the "I told you so" posts that some of the Mitt fans around here have been feeling compelled to shove into the comments this past week, I think y'all can suck it up and read a differing point of view. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:27 PM (5H6zj)

31 Monty!

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 05, 2012 07:27 PM (qwK3S)

32 >>I have remained immune to Romney's blandishments (I know his record)

Clearly, you don't.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2012 07:27 PM (TMB3S)

33
The evil of two lessers.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 05, 2012 07:27 PM (jSwNr)

34 Thanks Monty. Maybe I'll just kill myself.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (QKKT0)

35 If you wait for the perfect candidate to vote for you'll still be waiting when America comes crashing down around your ears.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (SzAZ7)

36 Monty. He says it all. I'm on board with him.

Now, let's see if we can dodge this Democrat bullet.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama committed treason at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (AZGON)

37 Isnt Gary Johnson an ex gay pron star? He has a lispie voice and a metrosexual air about him that screams MANGINA!

His one appearance i saw in the republican debates, he looked like an ill informed deer in the deadlights with about as much magnetism as a semi digested piece of carrot in dog vomit.

Then we have that Ron Paul...fuck me but he is just such a fail on every level.

No offence but seriously, are you libertarians such pussies that you cant find a real man in your party to support?

For fuck sake, find a candidate with some balls.


Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (ovpNn)

38 It is not over when Mitt is elected.... we still have a lot of work to do holding their feet to the fire.

Posted by: ET at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (s72/N)

39 Well, that should certainly help GOTV for Mitt....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (GEICT)

40 Perry was my choice, but I have warmed up to Mitt. The alternative is too frightening to think about...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (9+ccr)

41 >>What was your purpose in writing that screed?

Ranting? Where did Monty rant?

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (5H6zj)

42 I reserved the right to not vote for Romney, living in NY and all, but I've been impressed by his campaign and I also love me some Paul Ryan. Mitt will be getting my vote this time, he'll have to earn it again next time so I hope he doesn't let me down too much. My first vote was in 2000 and this will be the first presidential election for which I won't ultimately vote third party.

Posted by: mugiwara at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (JxXAE)

43 Barack 'Revenge' Obama or Mitt 'Love Country' Romney.

The choice is most obvious.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2012 07:29 PM (4nG/u)

44 Good that your voting for Romney but that was a bit lengthy, you could have just summed it up with: He's not Barack Hussein Obama. Its as plain as that. It should've never been a second thought, Nor should not voting, because not voting is a vote for Barack.

Posted by: Saar at November 05, 2012 07:29 PM (VGOSV)

45 Yay, it's Monty.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 05, 2012 07:29 PM (OjQYm)

46 Don't shoot the puppy. Link in my sig.

I cannot conceive of another Obama term.

Posted by: Truman North, 315-223 at November 05, 2012 07:30 PM (I2LwF)

47 What a great read, Monty.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 05, 2012 07:30 PM (Iyg03)

48 Exactly. I am hopeful that Romney's staring into the abyss has led him to develop some core values. We shall see. Compared to Obama, however, he is an Olympian of fiscal sanity and restraint.


Also, not to be accused of voting with my vagina, when you see this picture of Romney and his grandson, you can see that he is a good man who loves his family - http://bit.ly/SKYnUn . This is not an insignificant point. How a person treats his/her family speaks volumes about how they will treat others.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at November 05, 2012 07:30 PM (Gk3SS)

49 http://tinyurl.com/agezp7j

even the Uber Turdball Fred Barnes is predicting a R/R win

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 07:30 PM (ck76k)

50 Don't be patting Monty on the back, we could elect the purist Liberation out there for President and he couldn't accomplish what the Monty's of the world want, it just doesn't work that way. Right now we have to stop the liberal agenda from moving forward, a daunting task in itself.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 05, 2012 07:30 PM (GZitp)

51 Always good to see someone come up for air instead of staying under the RoPaul table.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 05, 2012 07:30 PM (fXInK)

52 #39. Good point. LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2012 07:31 PM (jkDqy)

53 I was anybody but Obama. Now I am pro-Romney. No hedging.

Of course I am also over the moon about Paul Ryan, but that secret's been out of the bag for a while.



Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 07:31 PM (P6QsQ)

54 Vote for me because I am NOT Barack Obama. If you really need another reason, you're a fucking idiot. That is all.

Posted by: My name is Mitt Romney and I aprrove this message at November 05, 2012 07:31 PM (F6KtL)

55 I agree 100% as well.

Electing Romney just means we don't get TFG.

It's square 1 of a million, and we know the track record of The Establishment.

The Tea Party has to work overtime to push Romney in the right direction. They have to continue to win seats in congress.

I expect people like Rand Paul to stand up to Mitt when Mitt shows his statism. If they don't, I don't see any hope for the GOP.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 05, 2012 07:31 PM (fCMdQ)

56 I read somewhere that Ryan slept in his office at the Capitol sometimes because of his work on the budget. If true, he will be a great VP. Go Mitt!!!

Posted by: Jmel at November 05, 2012 07:31 PM (c+D8V)

57 -44
Good that your voting for Romney but that was a bit lengthy, you could
have just summed it up with: He's not Barack Hussein Obama. Its as plain
as that. It should've never been a second thought, Nor should not
voting, because not voting is a vote for Barack.

Posted by: Saar
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All therapists will tell you to write your feelings,
to work out personal issues...

Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 05, 2012 07:32 PM (XIsD/)

58 You know Monty -- we get that you're an intellectual. We know you're quite a bit smarter than the average moron. But you know, on the eve of probably the most important election of our time, I personally, don't give a crap that you're casting a vote for the VP choice rather than Romney. In fact, this post of yours was an annoyance, a waste of space tonight. Romney may not live up to your dreams. But he is probably more honorable than most people -- I don't have any doubts about that. And he can fix this horrible economic mess we're in. So why don't you pontificate on the all the reasons why you'll be holding your nose in the booth as you cast your vote -- why don't you pontificate to yourself.

Posted by: Sassy at November 05, 2012 07:32 PM (VlKT6)

59 If you wait for the perfect candidate to vote for you'll still be waiting when America comes crashing down around your ears.



Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at November 05, 2012 07:28 PM (SzAZ7)

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AMEN

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 07:32 PM (P6QsQ)

60 Monty, I'll go back up and read it but I wanted to say great to see your nic. You're one of the ones who really "made" this place for me when I first started coming here. You hadn't been given the keys to the city yet and there were some great conversations in the threads.
BTW, I really think there are some folks around here who could stand to have an Emporer of the Universe rant dropped on their existence.
Take care bud.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 05, 2012 07:32 PM (/BwGa)

61 I am voting FOR Romney. Not for the VP like Palin in 2008.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 05, 2012 07:32 PM (DGIjM)

62 6

Johnson 2016, eh? When you see him, ask which Democrat front group is funding his anti-Romney direct mail campaign. I'm curious if the cash comes directly from Soros or does it get laundered first. Does he get a bonus for delivering a state to Obama?

Posted by: Fritz (but not Fritz) at November 05, 2012 07:32 PM (U0t2o)

63 I'm voting for Romney because I've lived under socialism and next to communism and have seen what it does to a people. I could care less about Romney's record. Even if he were also a committed anti-American Marxist I would vote for him for no other reason than to gum up the works a bit.

Posted by: t-bird at November 05, 2012 07:32 PM (FcR7P)

64 I admit I was not thrilled with Romney during the Primaries, I wasn't thrilled with him getting the nomination. At one point, I even considered voting third party or abstaining from voting for Pres at all.

Then I thought about it, and I realized that forgoing voting for my party's nominee wasn't worth losing my country over. So, I reluctantly decided to vote Romney.

Then Romney chose Ryan for VP. That, to me, was a nod towards conservatism. I felt better about voting Romney, but was still mostly voting for Ryan as VP.

Then I watched the convention. I watched as all the people told personal stories about the kind of man Mitt Romney is. About how caring and smart and real he is. I watched Romney give his speech. I was in tears, I was uplifted and I was excited to vote for this guy.

That excitement hasn't left. Last week I cast my vote for Romney/Ryan and Ted Cruz here in TX. I felt great about it. Yeah, Romney may piss us off...maybe...we don't know until we put him in there. But regardless of what the man does in office, I know for a fact he loves this country and her people. He loves being an American and he understands what it means to be proud to be an American.

This is something Barack Obama doesn't and will never have and for that reason alone, it is paramount that we all vote for Romney/Ryan 2012.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (GrtrJ)

65 Before y'all jump down the man's gullet, please note the headline: "Why I Will Vote for Mitt Romney"

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama committed treason at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (AZGON)

66 hoping Ryan will encourage and nurture Mitt's more economically conservative instincts

Posted by: Jose/ningrim at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (srIqv)

67 I'm voting for Mitt Romney so I can watch Chris Matthews head implode on live television.

Posted by: Iblis at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (9221z)

68 Isn't anyone voting for Rosanne Barr and Cindy Sheehan? I think they are a better alternative if there are any "undecideds" right now.

I'd like to herd up the "undecideds" and waterboard them. They are to stupid to vote.

#ChristyBlinkyReadyToRiotAtSlightestProvacation

Pray.Vote.Pray.Repeat (hey, if the Dems can vote more than once we should try it).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, raving lunatic about Benghazi at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (baL2B)

69 @22, that's not what he said. If he had said that, he would have needed one paragraph, not 1,000 words.

Monty, time to take off the doom-colored glasses. Even though he will piss us off at times and make bad decisions, Mitt Romney will be light years better for this country than Obama.

Posted by: Travis at November 05, 2012 07:23 PM

That's what Monty said.

Posted by: Travis at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (9WkMB)

70 Chris Mathews talked about ORCA. Anyone here doing it tomorrow? I signed up, but apparently California is not a high-need state.

Posted by: LASue at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (gjIQF)

71 Exactly Alexthechick. Character is in treating others well even if there is no gain for you. Or being simply a good person.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (4nG/u)

72
wow

I thought we were past this a longtime ago.

Posted by: soothsayer vindictus at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (40pJN)

73 I believe the chances are better than even that a President Romney would do more to advance conservatism than President Bush ever did. Given where we are at this time, that's a heck of a lot better than the POS in the White House now.

Posted by: mpthompson at November 05, 2012 07:34 PM (2PxWY)

74 I read somewhere that Ryan slept in his office at
the Capitol sometimes because of his work on the budget. If true, he
will be a great VP. Go Mitt!!!

Posted by: Jmel at November 05, 2012 07:31 PM (c+D8V)

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I believe he's always slept in his office, not just when he was working on his budget. He's frugal. He buys used vans.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 07:34 PM (P6QsQ)

75 I get a real kick out of people who insist that they are only voting for Romney because of Ryan's stellar record. Take a good look at that stellar record. He's far from perfect.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2012 07:34 PM (TMB3S)

76 CBS News: "Obama is doing his final speech in Iowa, ...because it is the battleground state that he is most confident of winning."

Does this statement actually make sense to liberals?

Posted by: Icedog at November 05, 2012 07:34 PM (PTS+l)

77 This screed would have been better received on Wednesday. Make sure Mitt wins .....or in your case, Obama loses. There will be plenty of time for recrimination and/or gloating afterwards.

Posted by: Arboc Rednammoc at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (53Nsb)

78 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (9XBK2)

79 What about Rosanne Barr and Cindy Sheehan?

They'd be an improvement over Obama and do exactly what they'd say they'd do - which is to go at each other with a double dildo on pay-per-view.

Other than that - I think Mitt will perform better than expected, or at least do the very best he can. We're fucked 8 ways to Sunday, and have the rest of the globe to drag us down. There's an awful lot that's out of our control - and things are going to get a lot shittier regardless of who's in office. But they'll be a lot less shitty with Mitt.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (Qxdfp)

80 I'm kinda with Sassy on this. Really Monty? This post on the eve of what will be the most important election in our lifetime?


Loved all your other stuff......this, not so much.

Posted by: Tami at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (X6akg)

81 75 I get a real kick out of people who insist that they are only voting for Romney because of Ryan's stellar record. Take a good look at that stellar record. He's far from perfect.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2012 07:34 PM (TMB3S)

He didn't say stellar. He said because Ryan understands our gigantic fiscal issues.

I agree 100%. When Mitt picked Ryan my heart grew warm that at least we would TALK about entitlement reform.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (fCMdQ)

82 I can offer one hopeful sign: Minnesota may actually be competitive for the GOP this year. I expect Obama to carry the state when all the votes are tallied, but it won't be the walkover that elections usually are for Democrats in this state. We may even, Deo Gratias, break for the Republican for the first time in four decades.

If such a thing comes to pass, you have my word: I will spend an entire day doing nothing but thinking happy and positive thoughts. For if Minnesota can swing to the GOP, anything is possible.

Posted by: Monty at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (G8OwX)

83 Well said, and I think half the morons agree.

I am nervous about him as well, but next to Obama?


There is no choice.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (wR+pz)

84 @22, @65

It was about as backhanded an endorsement of the only man who can beat Barack Obama as you can get.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (fXInK)

85 The real work that needs to be done after Obama is dethroned is ensuring it can never happen again: Fix the culture, education, press, etc. That, along with a successful Mitt Admin will pave the way for real conservs to be elected in the future.

We absolutely need to dismantle what amounts to a huge handicap against our side. It's been with us forever, and it almost killed us this time.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 05, 2012 07:36 PM (zpqa2)

86 Crawl over broken glass, singing hymns to vote for Mitt - but be prepared to fight his every accommodation come February.

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2012 07:36 PM (elbGQ)

87 Romney's job will be to steer the boat away from the far left abyss and back towards center. It will take at least one term and maybe two to accomplish that.

Then a President Ryan can build on that foundation and begin to do great things.

Posted by: Buddy at November 05, 2012 07:36 PM (lpAEc)

88 Oh, I don't know. I think Mitt Romney is smart enough to understand--now, that is--that the stakes are a little higher for the nation as a whole, and that the usual suspects are never going to love him.

And that the usual suspects are in fact not the ones who can do the most damage. Or at least cause the most unsolvable problems for him.

So I like Mitt Romney, because I think the man has chaged a little bit since he began this odyssey. After all, a nation broken apart due to actions on his watch is not going to reflect positively upon him, his Dad, or the other causes he wishes to honor. Or have honored.

Posted by: C. at November 05, 2012 07:36 PM (nJBN4)

89 Really, you considered wasting your vote on a third party, even sitting out ... I understand some people demanding, praying for and depressed we don't have a more fiscally conservative Republican party, but when the primary season is over it's over and we always vote Republican, the lesser of two evils. I'm glad you're voting for Romney, Monty, but your flirtation even if a short one voting for a third party doesn't impress me at all. Protest votes are Democrat votes and always will be. I'm in my thirties and probably less socially conservative than many on this website and the Republican party will always get my vote.

Posted by: Brad at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (4wewJ)

90 I've always enjoyed and appreciated your stuff, Monty...but I don't quite get the intent (or the timing) of this post. In any event, nice to hear from you...I think.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (vbh31)

91
Sassy @ 58:

I was going to say the same thing...though with more cuss words. I've had enough of the concern trolls, and eeyores, and doubters to last me a life time. Let's put that bs behind us, please, and get that jug eared c*ck smoker out of office.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (L7hol)

92 Some of you need to look up what the word "screed" means.

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (5H6zj)

93 Whoa, look at the big brain on Monty!

Seriously, it's nice to hear from you. What have you been up to?

P.S. nevermind the whining 'rons, we're a little crampy and bloated up in here.

Posted by: doc at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (+Vcxr)

94 I get a real kick out of people who insist that they
are only voting for Romney because of Ryan's stellar record. Take a
good look at that stellar record. He's far from perfect.





Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2012 07:34 PM (TMB3S)

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Thin ice, JackStraw. Yer onnit.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (P6QsQ)

95 Hey, everybody. Be nice to Monty or he'll take vote back and go home.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (lOlyY)

96 I'm hoping to see Paul Ryan unbuckle his pants and tell Chris Matthews 'Just the tip baby, I promise. Just the tip.'

Posted by: Zac at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (F6KtL)

97 Cloward-Pivens of the right:

http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/05/the-cloward-pivens-of-the-right/

Anyone who is sitting this election out to make a point deserves for Obama to get back in.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (jkDqy)

98 If the Romney super fans would STFU it'd be far more palatable to vote for him. I'm just saying.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 05, 2012 07:38 PM (OevbG)

99
OT but not really: Palmetto State Armory is selling slightly blemished AR-15 lowers for $59.

Posted by: Jaws at November 05, 2012 07:38 PM (A3yiq)

100 I'm not gonna go all "concern" on you guys, so don't worry about that. But as I walked out for a late lunch, into a glorious SoCal day -- warm air smelling of new fallen leaves, cloudless blue sky -- I had an odd feeling. I felt in that moment that a terrible disaster was coming, but its aftermath would bring something spectacularly good. A "eucatastrophe", if you will.


It probably means nothing. I'm not into psychic mumbo-jumbo, and even if I were, I'd probably suck at any skill requiring perceptive ability, being fairly clueless by nature. :-)


But I wonder...? If Romney wins (*when* he wins, Lord willing!), will the thwarted forces of Soros Co. bring down economic collapse on all our heads? If (Lord forbid) Obagman steals another one, will we get that economic collapse anyway? Or a "violet rebel loo shun"? Or will Zero be impeached? Or will something leak that is so scandalous that we get that Constitutional crisis we probably should have had by now?


I dunno. But I do know that I'm taking off work tomorrow to GOTV.



Music to read by: Creedence Clearwater Revival, "Who'll Stop the Rain?"

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 07:38 PM (48wze)

101
Mitt constrained by a conservative house is a perfectly fine outcome for me given the alternatives.

Posted by: California Red at November 05, 2012 07:38 PM (Ho3p+)

102 It was about as backhanded an endorsement of the only man who can beat Barack Obama as you can get.
-----
Are there people reading AoSHQ on election eve who are looking for an endorsement?

Isn't it useful to consider where we are, how we got here, and keep an eye on where we're headed?

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:38 PM (5H6zj)

103

I think Romney is a smart, thoughtful, sincere,
probably introspective man. I think he's
grown not just as a candidate but maybe also in his appreciation and
understanding of what differentiates him from Obama and what Obama did wrong,
not just what he did but also the way he did it. I don't think he's interested in being a
better Obama. I'm very hopeful for him,
and I genuinely think he'll earn a place with Reagan in the pantheon of
conservatism and not because of the inevitable comparison with Obama. Definitely the most-conservative, electable
candidate this go round.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (Rrc6j)

104 I voted for Romney and pray God he's a better president than I fear.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (r4wIV)

105 CBS News: "Obama is doing his final speech in Iowa, ...

No, no- stop there! That is just music to my ears...

Posted by: t-bird at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (FcR7P)

106 In traffic to see Romney at Verizon Center in Manchester NH. Backed up a mile + onto Everette Turnpike. Have GS-daughter (13) and GS-son (14) with me. Gonna be a late night.

Posted by: Boston12GS at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (AxE3L)

107 If he loses, I'm moving to Costa Rica.


Posted by: Jason M at November 05, 2012 07:21 PM (Be0fb)

Good choice, go to west coast. Land is cheap and the hookers are too.
I read about that last point, yeah, that's my story and I am sticking to it.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (wR+pz)

108 Oh goodie! I was really really really worried that we might go a whole day without having a circular firing squad!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (Gk3SS)

109 posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 07:38 PM (48wze)

I mean Huh?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (9+ccr)

110 @ 89

Exactly. 24, assuredly less socially conservative than most here, but willing to pull the trigger for a McLame or an Akin.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (fXInK)

111 72


wow



I thought we were past this a longtime ago.





Posted by: soothsayer vindictus at November 05, 2012 07:33 PM (40pJN)

Yeah do did i. Apparently self destructive naval gazing on the eve of the election to depress the vote from your own party is what libertarians think makes a winning campaign.
Fuck it i am going to go vote again 5 times for obama to negate my one vote for romney. This country is too full of winey fucking bitches who arent happy unless its 100% there way.
Maybe four more years of Obama totally fucking them and this country in the ass is exactly what we need to get rid of this fucking mental disorder that seems to plague rhinos and libertarians and beltway republicans.WHen there is NO FUCKING AMERICA LEFT THAT THEY RECOGNIZE, then they can elect their mother fucking ron pauls to run their little piece of a great country that no longer exists.
fucking insane unicorn fart socialists global warmopologists on one side and fucking winey bitch perfectionist right wing nutjobs on the other...
This post should have gone up on Daily Kos to boost the spirit of the Dems.

Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (ovpNn)

112 >>He didn't say stellar. He said because Ryan understands our gigantic fiscal issues.

And you think Romney doesn't? He's been an executive at the highest levels including a state that was way out of balance when he took over. He actually cut spending, not the growth of spending but actually cut the rate of spending. Ryan has never done that, just talked about it.

So many of you still cling to the bullshit you were told by the msm instead of doing some basic research.

Anyway, Monty's not going to ruin this for me. If he wants to pretend he's being noble as he did when he finally came out after much soul searching and proclaiming his support for TARP and voting for Romney with his nose pinched, whatever.

Stupid night to post this crap.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2012 07:40 PM (TMB3S)

113 @84, regarding @22, you're right. I could share a pudding with a man of your intellect.

And, Monty, really, the timing of this post sucks.

Posted by: Travis at November 05, 2012 07:40 PM (9WkMB)

114 LASue.........

I am participating in Project ORCA here in CO. Just got back from the Colorado Victory Center picking up my poll watching credentials.

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 05, 2012 07:40 PM (W3UHW)

115 Conservative sitting out this election are bigger an idiots than those actually voting for Obama -- and I didn't think that was possible.

Mitt ain't perfect in any way, but he'll probably be much better than Bush and he will at least give this country some time to come to its senses.

Posted by: mpthompson at November 05, 2012 07:40 PM (2PxWY)

116
Meanwhile over at Reason Magazine, Free Minds and Free Markets*, the staff writers of Team Libertarian put up their picks:

2012: 25 total Responses

Mitt Romney: 0
Gary Johnson: 15
Nobody/not voting: 8


Who's Getting Our Votes: Reason Writers' 2012 Presidential Picks
http://tinyurl.com/8sp8uvj

Breaking Down the Reason Staff's Vote Disclosures From 2012, 2008, and 2004
http://tinyurl.com/b37bx76



*Actually it seems more like Acid, Atheism and Aberrant Sex


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 05, 2012 07:40 PM (kdS6q)

117 >>Thin ice, JackStraw. Yer onnit.

I'm surprised he's on this thread. I thought he was mopping up the East Coast with a sponge and bucket.

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:41 PM (5H6zj)

118 Initial thoughts:

- Up to 2:30 in Bill Whittle's appeal, that is linked here, I like this appeal a sight more than I liked the earlier appeal (which he recanted) that said I'd be voting for Obama if I sat this one out. That earlier comment put my back up.

- Also I value your opinion, Monty. I was saying you should have a top-posting gig here even when you were just a random moron commenting here.

So now I gotta think things over.

Posted by: boulder hobo at November 05, 2012 07:41 PM (QTHTd)

119
Just saw this internet ad on hotmail:
----------------------------
"ELECTION DAY
IS TOMORROW

(picture of Barack staring you down)

CONFIRM WHERE YOU VOTE"

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Posted by: bitchka at November 05, 2012 07:41 PM (xXhWA)

120 Hey guys, I'm trying to do the call from home thing but nothing happens when we hit the "call now" button. What gives?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 05, 2012 07:41 PM (zrpqj)

121 #58 Amen. As B. Franklin said (paraphrased) "We must all hang together or most assuredly we will hang seperately. Another 4 years with "Revenge" Man will not be pleasant to say the least.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2012 07:41 PM (jkDqy)

122 Orcs here in Va

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2012 07:41 PM (elbGQ)

123 The Monty Song ,
" Heroes don't come easy "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqSZzO-Dhwc

Posted by: AmericanDawg at November 05, 2012 07:41 PM (XIsD/)

124 I was not a Romney supporter during the primaries. He got my support and my respect and my vote the old-fashioned way: he earned it.


Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (P6QsQ)

125 I'm glad you're voting for Romney, Monty, whatever the reason. And I don't doubt your stance is principled.

But surely those principles should include throwing Marxist former-terrorist-associate Benghazi left-his-men-and-women-to-die then lied about it classified-info leaking SEAL-Team-6-and-family-jeopardizing Obama out on his ass?

Even without Ryan.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (ZIkmx)

126 AtC: "How a person treats his/her family speaks volume about how they will treat others."

Mr. President, you have a call on Line 3 from Kenya. It's your brother.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (qwK3S)

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (FG/pH)

128

Let's see....

The Nightmare continues, and gets worse.
Vs.
Some hope that things will get better.

Ooo...that's a tough one.
/s

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (ICEh3)

129

I love this.

Our republic is hanging by a string and the day before the election we still have people clinging to their high minded principles.

Posted by: soothsayer vindictus at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (40pJN)

130 It was about as backhanded an endorsement of the only man who can beat Barack Obama as you can get.

-----

Are there people reading AoSHQ on election eve who are looking for an endorsement?



Isn't it useful to consider where we are, how we got here, and keep an eye on where we're headed?
-----
Why did it have to be so long? Is it useful? Perhaps to some, but "where we are, how we got here" and "where we're headed" would seem more relevant Wednesday morning.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (fXInK)

131 I am less nervous about Romney now than I was during the primaries. I think he's going to do fine.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (BHwC8)

132 I felt in that moment that a terrible disaster was coming, but its aftermath would bring something spectacularly good.

Mary -- that feeling is telling you to make sure your Earthquake kit is fully stocked.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (4+LTj)

133 Music to read by: Creedence Clearwater Revival, "Who'll Stop the Rain?"

Geez...this is an election...not a wake.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (vbh31)

134 Hitler is one bad dude but I don't think he's worth getting friendly with the Russians over.

Posted by: Stuff Winston Churchill Didn't Say, vol. 3, chap. 6 at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (QKKT0)

135 >>>I was not a Romney supporter during the primaries. He got my support and my respect and my vote the old-fashioned way: he earned it.

Yep.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (ZIkmx)

136 Oh, for fuck's sake.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (hO8IJ)

137 I voted for Biden in 08, too.

Posted by: Stankleberry at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (Kur2n)

138
Stupid night to post this crap.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2012 07:40 PM (TMB3S)
THIS!^

Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (ovpNn)

139 Oh, the places I'll go tomorrow.

Posted by: Sideways Pineapple at November 05, 2012 07:25 PM (48wze)


First prize for this thread.. Please step up to the window and collect your winnings.

Posted by: Pete Best at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (9GaPd)

140 Mr. President, you have a call on Line 3 from Kenya. It's your brother.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (qwK3S)


Bingo.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (Gk3SS)

141 Well, duh.

Posted by: EROWMER at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (kxlCQ)

142 In the past it seemed that regardless of who won, Leviathan got bigger. Sometimes the President who won slowed down this process; sometimes they accelerated it.

Obama is different.

He wants to completely smash everything and replace it wholesale with a very anti-American vision.

Romney may not, or even probably not, reverse our course towards an ever engorging Leviathan, but if we are ever to reverse course, we have to make sure that the bridges to the mores, customs, and virtue of the past are not burned down with abandon.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (XvHmy)

143 Draaama!

Posted by: runninrebel at November 05, 2012 07:44 PM (J4gw3)

144 let's see whom Romney picks for his admin and then decide what we can reasonably expect. His choice of Ryan strikes me as a good sign. I would be very glad if, when he makes his victory speech, he mentions that he'll be making some calls to Thomas Sowell. If he starts talking up Colin Powell, I'm going to volunteer for the first rocket to Mars (line stolen from Lou Costello.).

Posted by: mallfly at November 05, 2012 07:44 PM (bJm7W)

145 I read somewhere that Ryan slept in his office at the Capitol sometimes
because of his work on the budget. If true, he will be a great VP. Go
Mitt!!!

Big deal. I sleep in my office all the fucking time.

Oh. And hi, there, sugar tits!

Posted by: joe 'super genius' biden at November 05, 2012 07:44 PM (nkiQM)

146 Draaama!

Precisely.

I'm goin' back to the other thread.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 05, 2012 07:44 PM (4+LTj)

147 "95
Hey, everybody. Be nice to Monty or he'll take vote back and go home."
"98
If the Romney super fans would STFU it'd be far more palatable to vote for him. I'm just saying."

Don't vote for him if so upsetting to your Libertarian or purist conservative ideology. WTF, the day before we have a chance to stop this destructive liberal agenda and were supposed to be worried about upsetting a few fringe people on a blog.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 05, 2012 07:44 PM (GZitp)

148 92 Some of you need to look up what the word "screed" means.
Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:37 PM (5H6zj)


Screed, that was the guy that fought Rocky

Posted by: Cricket at November 05, 2012 07:44 PM (2ArJQ)

149 Oh, for fuck's sake.


Would you like some of my special tea? I made it extra vodkay.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming for this thread. at November 05, 2012 07:44 PM (Gk3SS)

150 I think this piece should have be retitled: "Why I will not DOOM myself."

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (qwK3S)

151 Romney is an American. Obama is not. That's all I need.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (QKKT0)

152 Thanks Monty, for damning Romney with your faint praise. Have you considered posting this over at KOS, where the inmates will sponge your fevered, and worried brow with cool water, and soothing words?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (L7hol)

153 And on a brighter note, Mitt was not my first, second or third choice but now I have really warmed up to him. This registered Democrat will enthusiastically vote for him tomorrow.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (jkDqy)

154 @142

It didn't just seem that way, it was that way. Even Reagan could not stop it. Read the book "Never Enough" - but have a puke bucket nearby.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (zpqa2)

155 Monty, thanks. And while you're at it why don't you pour lemon, juice on that cut...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (9+ccr)

156 @129, who said, "Our republic is hanging by a string and the day before the election we still have people clinging to their high minded principles."

Amen, my brother in pudding arms, amen.

Posted by: Travis at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (9WkMB)

157 Since you brought up "libertarian," it appears Gary Johnson is trying to
make himself into the new Ron Paul, with all the cocksucking that
entails.


The ads Johnson has been running in California are aimed at utter cretins who think only in terms of slogans and love to brag about how much smarter they are than everyone else.

Johnson bravely offers up retarded straw men and then poisons the well, and his supporters cheer at how honest and principled he is.

Amazing.

Posted by: Llarry at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (Qj/8S)

158
WE NEED A NEW POST TO BUMP THIS ILL TIMED ILL CONCEIVED I AM SO SPECIAL EEYORE SHIT DOWN

Fucking Ron Paul can fuck himself in the fucking ass with barack obamas dick for all I care.

Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (ovpNn)

159 Got my sample ballot all prepped for tomorrow:

Straight Party Republican.

Easy.

Done.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 05, 2012 07:45 PM (BAS5M)

160 What he said Yeah do did i. Apparently self destructive naval gazing on the eve of
the election to depress the vote from your own party is what
libertarians think makes a winning campaign.
Fuck it i am going to go
vote again 5 times for obama to negate my one vote for romney. This
country is too full of winey fucking bitches who arent happy unless its
100% there way.
Maybe four more years of Obama totally fucking them
and this country in the ass is exactly what we need to get rid of this
fucking mental disorder that seems to plague rhinos and libertarians and
beltway republicans.WHen there is NO FUCKING AMERICA LEFT THAT THEY
RECOGNIZE, then they can elect their mother fucking ron pauls to run
their little piece of a great country that no longer exists.
fucking
insane unicorn fart socialists global warmopologists on one side and
fucking winey bitch perfectionist right wing nutjobs on the other...
This post should have gone up on Daily Kos to boost the spirit of the Dems. Right on brother

Posted by: Doug at November 05, 2012 07:46 PM (GSfWX)

161
New Guy here.
I was for Romney last month (and would have been for any of the Red presumptive nominees), simplybecause he is not TFG the JEF.
But since then, he'shoned thecraft, and I love the way he andhis Anne look at each other, and from what I hear, the way he treats "lesser beings'.
He may not be the hard-assed Tea-party Conservative that I wanted. But, God-willing he is the new Potus-elect tommorow about 11:00 EST. And he appears to be a "real" good dude (even when nobody's looking), that will do the right things -- to begin a turnaround...

Posted by: Semi-New Moron. at November 05, 2012 07:46 PM (mkb9H)

162 Mitt Romney, being a human being, will disappoint. I have no illusions about that. But he seems to understand that the nation is at a crossroads, and I am thrilled to support him.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 05, 2012 07:46 PM (6zgse)

163 Isn't it useful to consider where we are, how we got here, and keep an eye on where we're headed?

Posted by: Y-not at November 05, 2012 07:38 PM (5H6zj)

-----------
Probably. At a later date when we can afford the time and luxury of scholarly reflections. Not in the heat of battle. Soldiers didn't sit and talk about the geo-political forces that brought them to Fallujah when they were in the line of fire.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 07:46 PM (P6QsQ)

164 91 - yeah I would have used swear words too here but I refrained. I'm with you. No time to pontificate. This was wasted space here tonight. Any other night and I still would think Monty pompous (to me he's always come across that way to me), but tonight of all nights, this wasn't the time nor the place.

Posted by: Sassy at November 05, 2012 07:46 PM (DNOOe)

165 Always nice to read Monty's missives, but I don't kid myself about the future under a Pres. Romney (and I'm not talking about what kind ofleadership he will provide): if you all thought the Left was batshit crazy under GW Bush, they will be unhinged over Romney.

Posted by: the Butcher at November 05, 2012 07:46 PM (8g9qq)

166 108 Oh goodie! I was really really really worried that we might go a whole day without having a circular firing squad!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (Gk3SS)




Oh come on, you're a regular here. You knew, deep down, that it was coming. I mean, why on earth would we want to spend a night getting ready for a huge day? Encouraging each other? Talking about what we're each doing to help? Nay, that's crazy talk.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 05, 2012 07:46 PM (GEICT)

167 What the fuck?

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2012 07:47 PM (lF2rr)

168
Would it be a fun time to discuss what other Republican primary nominees we would rather have on the ticket at this point?
Cuz as much as Romney wasn't my guy, I'm sure thankful he is now.

Posted by: California Red at November 05, 2012 07:47 PM (Ho3p+)

169 Hi Monty,

I haven't read all the comments, but I too have missed your doom posts.

This is a good post. I, too, will be voting for Romney, as the lesser of two evils. Even Paul Ryan has made some fiscal decisions I didn't agree with. But I love his pro life stance.

I think real reform has to start locally and then state wide.

Posted by: Mountainturtle at November 05, 2012 07:47 PM (g9xzH)

170 Alex. Where's your stompy boots? Stomp Monty for me will you...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 05, 2012 07:47 PM (9+ccr)

171 ah...there it is. My last two posts didn't make the cut.
Nice work, Monty.

Posted by: garrett at November 05, 2012 07:47 PM (lF2rr)

172
138
Stupid night to post this crap.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2012 07:40 PM (TMB3S)
THIS!^
THIS THIS ^^

Posted by: spypeach at November 05, 2012 07:47 PM (pwTow)

173 I'm actually betting on Romney to be the next Reagan. But if he ain't, he still ain't the skidmark who currently occupies the Oval Office.

Posted by: Warden at November 05, 2012 07:48 PM (HzhBE)

174 Well, it's either Romney or the Islamophilic Communist with a Social Justice Agenda.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 05, 2012 07:48 PM (aSf5o)

175 @84, regarding @22, you're right. I could share a pudding with a man of your intellect.

We can share a pudding flavored of Engorged Leviathan tomorrow night if all goes well.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 05, 2012 07:48 PM (fXInK)

176 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 07:43 PM (ZIkmx)


It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCKKK

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 07:48 PM (ck76k)

177 Let's all trade in our pudding for vinegar and a hair shirt.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 05, 2012 07:48 PM (QKKT0)

178 I see the lynch mob is going after Monty even though he says he will vote for Romney/Ryan.

Will you morons knock it off. You disgrace Reagan's legacy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2012 07:48 PM (4nG/u)

179 As I told a Libertarian: "I don't know for sure what Romney will do, but I do know what Obama will do and none of it's good for me, my family, or the nation. Easy decision."

Posted by: Warden at November 05, 2012 07:49 PM (HzhBE)

180 Hell, even we are voting Romney! Gonna be able to hang @ the ex - preezy's Hawaii mansion! Total absorption and an endless summer!

Posted by: Choom Gang at November 05, 2012 07:49 PM (ypzqs)

181 >>>And on a brighter note, Mitt was not my first, second or third choice but now I have really warmed up to him. This registered Democrat will enthusiastically vote for him tomorrow.

For me it was Newt > Mitt > Santorum > Perry > Huntsman > Cain.

Anyone else I forgot about.

On purpose.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 07:49 PM (ZIkmx)

182 124

I was not a Romney supporter during the primaries. He got my support and my respect and my vote the old-fashioned way: he earned it.

------------

I agree.

and his curb stomping Barack's ass in the first debate didn't hurt either, that man took no prisoners.

Posted by: Saar at November 05, 2012 07:49 PM (VGOSV)

183 Paul Ryan voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill, the war in Iraq, the TARP bill, the Patriot Spy on America Act, NCLB, and others.

Paul Ryan is no friend of small government.

Posted by: Tommy TitTwister at November 05, 2012 07:49 PM (XoyFB)

184 Monty's explaining exactly why a lot of us are voting for Romney. I have no reason to believe he'll actually fix anything, but I know for a fact that Obama is a SCOAMF. It's not an endorsement, it's a soul search.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 05, 2012 07:49 PM (OevbG)

185 Third party and protest votes: the reason we today have the Clintons and everyone they spawned. Whatever helps you sleep at night but it'll never win your guy the Presidency.

Posted by: slug at November 05, 2012 07:49 PM (vVv3V)

186 I would like to see a change to the way we vote.... soooo....

Each name will have TWO check boxes after it... Vote FOR... and Vote AGAINST.

If you vote AGAINST a candidate, it cancels out One vote of someone who voted FOR said candidate.

And if NO ONE gets any votes because of this? You start over with a new slate of candidates...

For I am truley, not voting FOR the Republican candidate.... as much as I'd crawl through hell, carrying old style non stable dynamite.... to vote AGAINST the Tyrant Obama.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 05, 2012 07:50 PM (lZBBB)

187 I'm sure Montys motives were good, but we are all on pins and needles right now and need a pep talk not a lecture...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 05, 2012 07:50 PM (9+ccr)

188
Oh for fucks sake.

Posted by: MJ at November 05, 2012 07:50 PM (TR60b)

189 Dear Third Party Drama Queens,

I hear the Bull Moose party is lonely. Go join please.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2012 07:50 PM (4nG/u)

190 I see the lynch mob is going after Monty even though he says he will vote for Romney/Ryan.

Apparently your love for Romney must meet some kind of purity test to vote for him.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (OevbG)

191 The President is not King (though bamster has come pretty close). The big L Libertarians will never be able to get what they want even if they could get their candidate elected. I'm in agreement with some of their ideas and that's as far as I will go.

Posted by: Ronster at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (BvzwK)

192 "The entitlement state says some good things about us as a people: we are caring, kind, generous, and optimistic."

No, charity says (or would say) those things. The welfare state says we are weak, stupid, and ignorant, and like the taste of sperm as long as it's dispensed from a politically-correct cock.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (aSf5o)

193 Mark Knoller @markknoller Pres. Obama phoned his thanks to some campaign volunteers, telling one of them, "tomorrow hopefully all the hard work will pay off."

"Hopefully"? He knows. He's seen the internal polls.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (T0NGe)

194 Bunch of delicate flowers around here.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (J4gw3)

195 Above, I forgot another thing we have to fix: The Primary System.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (zpqa2)

196 Good one Monty.

A vote here and a vote there and soon you're talking 10's of millions of votes and Mitt win.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (PHb2k)

197
Vote for me because I believe in limited government...oh, for Christ sake's I'M Gary Johnson...the two-term governor of New Mexico...whadda mean you never heard of...

Posted by: I'm Gary Johnson and I approve this message at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (F6KtL)

198 Alex. Where's your stompy boots? Stomp Monty for me will you...


It's not Monty whom I want to stomp. Not even remotely.


I mean, why on earth would we want to spend a night getting ready for a
huge day? Encouraging each other? Talking about what we're each doing
to help? Nay, that's crazy talk.



I'm just going to go back to watching tennis for the plot.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming for this thread. at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (Gk3SS)

199 181

Fuck off.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (aSf5o)

200 I give this post a 68 and a half. It doesn't have a good beat and it's not easy to dance to.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (P6QsQ)

201 Hey, I knowlet's have a flame war to get our minds off the polls

Posted by: spypeach at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (pwTow)

202
AtC, Chique, and BCochrane-
Glad to "see" you.
Thank you for your kind welcome and instruction Sat. PM.
I love this blog.

Posted by: Semi-New Moron. at November 05, 2012 07:51 PM (mkb9H)

203 Can We UNBAN GREG for this thread? Also someone notify libtardo and Samwise Clamcheese to get their asses in here and have a mother fucking eeyore party.

Fucking idiot stepping on their dicks on the dance floor and they wonder why nobody wants to dance with them.

Fuck Gary Johnson. He is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (ovpNn)

204 Posted by: Boston12GS at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (AxE3L)

Wow. Send pics if possible!

Posted by: LASue at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (gjIQF)

205
What candidate was goin to singlehandedly destroy the leviathian? Nobody. Its taken the progressives nearly 100 years to get to this point. Its going to take some time and measured steps to scale it back.

Posted by: California Red at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (Ho3p+)

206 Ian. S who was that aimed at?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (4nG/u)

207
Mark Knoller
=====
Dire Straits sucks.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (9ghZ6)

208 Tonight of all nights it's really inappropriate to trash the Rep Ticket. It makes you sound like concern trolls

Botton line; "Do you want America hating narcissist Obama who will try to bring American down even more back in?"

or

"Do you want the perfect candidate to come along whenever in the hope the US survives that long?"

Is there a nicer way to say STFU?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (jkDqy)

209
Mark Knoller @markknoller Pres. Obama phoned his thanks to some
campaign volunteers, telling one of them, "tomorrow hopefully all the
hard work will pay off."


Churchillian. Heh.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (QKKT0)

210 Well, this was inspiring ... NOT

Posted by: Zharkov at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (P5i/s)

211 Posted by: slug at November 05, 2012 07:49 PM (vVv3V)


But they DID force BOTH parties to finally balance the budget... which I don't believe they would have done without a viable threat to the two party stranglehold on power.

Note, as soon as the threat was gone? No more balanced budgets.... what a... coincidence....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (lZBBB)

212
Timing:

a : placement or occurrence in time

b : the ability to select the precise moment for doing something for optimum effect

Posted by: MJ at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (TR60b)

213 >>> But he seems to understand that the nation is at a crossroads

This.

He may not have all of the government-cutting instincts many would like.

But he knows Obama's breakneck-speed government-growing wasn't working either.

And I don't think he'll leak classified info, leaving America's special forces teams to be hunted down later by the enemy and slaughtered in their transport helos. I don't think he'll ignore ambassadors' and staffs cries for help, then cynically lie about it for months.

So, Ryan or no Ryan, choosing Romney over Obama was a ... good idea.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (ZIkmx)

214 yawn

Posted by: jewells45 says Romney wins in a landslide at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM (1hNQS)

215 I do hope Ryan is being a very good influence on Mittens on fiscal issues and the need to clean the slate on the ACA. But everyone is right: this is going to be a slow, hard fight and the left will die to stop every inch. I say we give them their wish.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 05, 2012 07:53 PM (r4wIV)

216 I'm sorry baby...I'm trying, really I'm trying to get up and excited...but I just can't. I'm sorry baby. I'm just not feeling it, no matter how much you try and stroke me

Posted by: Limp Obama Supporter at November 05, 2012 07:53 PM (F6KtL)

217 I will vote a straight Republican ticket at 7AM tomorrow morning. When I wake up from my coma on Wednesday morning, Mitt Romney will be the President Elect.

Posted by: toby928© at November 05, 2012 07:53 PM (QupBk)

218 200

Well, the lyrics were sort of ok.


At least there was no rapping.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 05, 2012 07:53 PM (aSf5o)

219 Probably. At a later date when we can afford the time and luxury of
scholarly reflections. Not in the heat of battle. Soldiers didn't sit
and talk about the geo-political forces that brought them to Fallujah
when they were in the line of fire.


True, but libertarians can't resist announcing at every opportunity that theirs is the only way.

Like leftists, libertarians actually believe that libertarianism is the default setting, and those who don't agree with them are defective in some way. Or perverse.

Ironic, isn't it, that the libertarian credo of "live and let live" never applies to their politics. They simply can't help heaping invective all over those who disagree with them.

Posted by: Llarry at November 05, 2012 07:53 PM (Qj/8S)

220 109
posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 07:38 PM (48wze)



[quote]I mean Huh?




Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 05, 2012 07:39 PM (9+ccr)[/quote]

I just fell prey to a weird feeling, that's all. Came here for a little Moron comfort, or abuse, which around here is sometimes the same thing. :-) I don't normally post about stuff like that, and I'm sorry if I didn't make sense.[quote]Mary -- that feeling is telling you to make sure your Earthquake kit is fully stocked.




Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 05, 2012 07:42 PM (4+LTj)[/quote]

Yeah, that could be it. Warm days are often earthquake days. (the Northridge quake of '94 was in the middle of January, tho...) Not to worry -- I've got plenty of bottled water, canned and dried food, blankets, flashlights with batteries, tools, a camp stove, etc.

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 07:53 PM (48wze)

221 If it took Bill Whittle to convince you, I suggest you get tested for lead poisoning. There are no pure libertarians who are politically viable at this point because American culture has been moving away from that. It will take years of hard work to get us to get us back to a limited government majority. We take what we can and move the ball back towards freedom in the meantime. That is reality.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 05, 2012 07:53 PM (x0g8a)

222 There's still time to for a post from DrewM. on how Newt would have been such a better candidate, but how he will reluctantly vote for Romney anyways.
That would round out the night, good fuck'n grief.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 05, 2012 07:53 PM (GZitp)

223 All I'm asking of Mitt's administration (for starters) is a sincere attempt at damage control. I'm banking on the notion that he will be appalled at what he finds in the nooks and crannies of the Kenyan Marxist Spider's lair.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 05, 2012 07:54 PM (vbh31)

224 Great to hear your 'voice', Monty.

re the Paul Ryan sleeping in his office thingy -- So did my 9 term ex-congresscritter Gene Taylor, a BlueDog MS Dem. Yet that prick voted for OTaxCare, and lost his job in 2010.

I'm paraphrasing here, but a wise man once said that it is impossible to always elect the right men; what is possible is to create the conditions that make the wrong men do the right thing.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 05, 2012 07:54 PM (ccXZP)

225 Anna: the same people you were targeting, not you.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 05, 2012 07:54 PM (OevbG)

226 "We stab it with our steely knives, but we just can't kill the beast."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2012 07:54 PM (4nG/u)

227
Well, on the upside, I've been looking at some of the other less-political forums, it it sure appears this time the Libertarian inclined are voting 3rd party or sitting out the election.

Four years ago a good portion of them pulled the lever for The O because of lifestyle issues like drugs and their general love of technocratic solutions. So that's at least some votes off his tote.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 05, 2012 07:54 PM (kdS6q)

228 Yeah, wait till Wednesday to post why Repubs/GOP/Romney is not a super perfect awesome god that will make gov't perfect.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 05, 2012 07:54 PM (X/+QT)

229

Alternate post title:

I Would Prefer Romney Over Obama But If Romney Loses It's No Big Deal, Really, Cuz He Sucks Too


Posted by: soothsayer vindictus at November 05, 2012 07:54 PM (40pJN)

230 Initially,Romney was not my first choice in the primary process. And the Primary was a long drawn out bloody process.
But, as I hoped, I think it made him a better candidate for the general.
Is he perfect? No.
Is he better than the JEF? Yup.
And in my shallow way of thinking at this point,,,,,that's all I need to know.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 05, 2012 07:55 PM (BPyqV)

231 Odd, at least to me, that a libertarian would end his testimony with a quote from Lincoln.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 05, 2012 07:55 PM (9eDbm)

232 Then stop pissing all over yourself and go vote for Gary Johnson..
A little late in the game for this, n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: TexasJew at November 05, 2012 07:55 PM (6/bOE)

233 Stop Monday-morning quarterbacking the Romney administration already.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 05, 2012 07:55 PM (X/+QT)

234 Ace, please post something - it could be a freakin' picture of Helen Thomas at this rate - to bump this story off the top spot. It's damn depressing to reopen these old wounds. This is the time to be united.

Posted by: Travis at November 05, 2012 07:55 PM (9WkMB)

235 That is why I was asking Ian. S

We really do not need Admiral Scott going out over the TBS screaming "Check fire!" as the enemy fleet is being engaged.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2012 07:55 PM (4nG/u)

236 Not even Ronny could fix the fiscal shit storm that is a brewing. I've liked Romney for a very long time, so the vote for me is easy.

ORCA in Stafford VA tomorrow bright and early. My heart is light and I feel optimistic; so much so that I'm helping my wife put Christmas up. Yeah, you heard that right.

Posted by: mastour at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (Xf0bG)

237

where's nickless?

Posted by: soothsayer vindictus at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (40pJN)

238 >>> if you all thought the Left was batshit crazy under GW Bush, they will be unhinged over Romney

You know, I didn't think that could be topped, but with Mitt being Mormon, I can see it.

Not knocking Mormons at the moment either. Thinking about the left's reaction to 8 years under a Mormon's presidency (with Ryan waiting in the wings; ha).

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (ZIkmx)

239 Obama must be stopped. Now.

Posted by: seamrog at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (afXC9)

240 Alternate post title:

The First Romney Administration Concern Trolls or the Last Romney Campaign Concern Trolls

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (fXInK)

241
Sarah Palin is unelectable, period.

Posted by: MJ at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (TR60b)

242 If you understood principles, you would understand that this post is the most unprincipled post you could have possibly written on the eve of the election when we need to stand with our candidate.

You have far too high an opinion of yourself.

Heres a clue. Your fucking candidate gary johnson couldn't win a dick suckin contest in a fucking gay bar if you hooked up a hoover canister to his ass and played donna summer remixes all night long.

Deal With Mitt or put a cork in your bleeding principlegina until after the mother fucking election. Its 24 fucking hours!

Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (ovpNn)

243 AtC, Chique, and BCochrane-
Glad to "see" you.
Thank you for your kind welcome and instruction Sat. PM.
I love this blog.



*waves*

I'm just glad you came back. Did we scar Dave #19802398327 for life?


In the spirit of comity, I give you Milla Jovovich singing. http://youtu.be/fQ_I_aWsaRM


Of course, every time I watch this now, I hear Beavis and Butthead in my head.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming for this thread. at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (Gk3SS)

244 When Romney wins tomorrow and I'm dipping my balls in chocolate pudding, I'll take my cup of pudding and go home. Just kidding, I'll worry about the purity of what I did to that pudding Thursday morning.

Posted by: Brad at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (4wewJ)

245 Semi-New Moron, glad you're enjoying yourself here. This place is great, isn't it?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (6zgse)

246 Welcome to he party Monty (pal), Glad to have you, espcially for this vote.

I'm voting Romneyt because I be;lieve He has knowledge of how economics work, He will have resources (folks like him that also Know how economics work).

I'm voting Romney because He don't believe He will spend His time As the Leader of The Free world heckling half the country, He won't think splitting us into groups of enemies lists, He won't encourage bigotry and division He will take his job and spend energy on a Recovery.

economic recovery, Jobs , walking back Obamacre and the intrusion of govt into our most intimate being. but especially he wouldn't use tactics to divide as race, religion, gender.

annd he wouldn't reduce women to a vagina as a tool to be fought over in public life.


Posted by: willow at November 05, 2012 07:57 PM (hX8cq)

247 I Would Prefer Romney Over Obama But If Romney Loses It's No Big Deal, Really, Cuz He Sucks Too

I'm sorry Monty's vote for Romney doesn't meet your purity criteria. Would you rather he decided to go another way?

Posted by: Ian S. at November 05, 2012 07:57 PM (OevbG)

248 234

His post isn't really that divisive or demoralizing. The timing is slightly bad. That's about it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 05, 2012 07:57 PM (aSf5o)

249
I think Ace is out working the phones. Or 'workin it' on the street.

one of those.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 05, 2012 07:57 PM (PHb2k)

250 >>>I Would Prefer Romney Over Obama But If Romney Loses It's No Big Deal, Really, Cuz He Sucks Too

Ha.

Inspiring.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 07:57 PM (ZIkmx)

251 The French are a bunch of poofters, but is it really worth fighting over this?

Posted by: St. Crispian's Day Speech, First Draft at November 05, 2012 07:57 PM (QKKT0)

252 Romney will handle the collapse better than Obama, obviously, while Ryan will handle the rebuilding.

Posted by: toby928© at November 05, 2012 07:57 PM (QupBk)

253 Ace has posted anew, we can kill the conversation here and move on.

Posted by: Travis at November 05, 2012 07:57 PM (9WkMB)

254 238

Ok, what part of fuck off didn't you understand?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 05, 2012 07:58 PM (aSf5o)

255 Sure, I starved to death but I'll be damned if I'm going to eat seagull.

Posted by: Amelia Earhart at November 05, 2012 07:58 PM (SzAZ7)

256 First Step: Stop Obama


Second Step: Everything Else

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 07:58 PM (P6QsQ)

257 Somewhere in the US is an Ewok on a phone going "Nyam! Nyam!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 05, 2012 07:58 PM (4nG/u)

258 The one thing I know to be true, Romney/Ryan is at least a 1000x better choice than Obamao. As a citizen, I will hate many things that occur under Romney, but I know I will be less than a serf under Obamao.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 05, 2012 07:58 PM (Cnqmv)

259 248 Agreed. Doesn't mean critiquing it is the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 05, 2012 07:58 PM (fXInK)

260 Who cares why, just get the votes to win now and worry about how it goes later.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 05, 2012 07:58 PM (9ghZ6)

261
Apparently your love for Romney must meet some kind of purity test to vote for him.
Posted by: Ian S.





1. How far have you gone with Mitt Romney?

a. Above the waist, over the sweater
b. Above the waist, under the sweater
c...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 05, 2012 07:58 PM (kdS6q)

262 Wow, what happened? Deus ex machina? The return of afternoon delight? Alex the Chick in stompyboots?

Posted by: Cricket at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (2ArJQ)

263 Mulitbigfooting for all of you wishing that.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming for this thread. at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (Gk3SS)

264 p.s. missed you Monty.

Posted by: willow at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (hX8cq)

265 Well said, Monty. Romney was about my last choice in the primaries. He's grown on me since the nomination, though. He seems to be a decent person, and that counts for a lot.

I don't think he has what it takes to roll back the federal government. He seems more inclined to be a caretaker. Obama has successfully Cloward-Pivened the economy, so that anyone who actually tries to cut social programs will probably spark violent unrest.

Still, I recognize that Romney may surprise us, and rise to the occasion. Simply having a President who doesn't hate America will be a plus. I've almost forgotten what that's like.

I also voted for the VP in 2008, and I did so happily and enthusiastically.

Posted by: rickl at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (sdi6R)

266 Now it's back on top! I'm getting dizzy!

Posted by: Cricket at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (2ArJQ)

267 "Sarah Palin is unelectable, period."

Even while not on it.

Posted by: Tommy TitTwister at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (XoyFB)

268 Hey Semi, you might wanna take a powder. This shit is likely to get ugly. I've been through a couple of these and ugh. Not conducive to you staying around long. Good to see you again though.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (GEICT)

269 Wow, talk about damning with faint praise. Love ya, Monty, but respectfully I must say that now is not the time for such navel-gazing.

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, without whining, bet-hedging or lamentations.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (IlZPo)

270 Just think of the confidence business and industry will have with Romney / Ryan. Leftist have been crying in their porridge about evil, stingy, greedy business people hanging on to their stashes of cash.

Vote for prosperity and freedom!

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (lGu1O)

271 If the only thing Romney does is organize a successful repeal of Obamacare, it will be enough. I will then look forward to the Paul Ryan Administration in 2020 to roll more stuff back.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 05, 2012 07:59 PM (9GaPd)

272 where's nickless?





Posted by: soothsayer vindictus at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (40pJN)

I don't know. He's been MIA for about a month at least....and I miss him. Funny guy!

Posted by: Tami at November 05, 2012 08:00 PM (X6akg)

273 >>>If you understood principles, you would understand that this post is the most unprincipled post you could have possibly written on the eve of the election when we need to stand with our candidate.

That's going a little too far.

No post anyone makes here is going to change the election. The die is cast.

He's voting for Romney. He's reluctant to.

Well, guess what? In a large, complex electorate, some people were always going to be reluctant to. Hell, 60 million or so will vote for the Marxist.

So if Monty hates Romney's guts, but is still going to turn out for him, that's a good, not a bad sign -- as others who might have otherwise cast protest votes likewise won't.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:00 PM (ZIkmx)

274 Mother may I have a new post please?

Posted by: jewells45 says Romney wins in a landslide at November 05, 2012 08:00 PM (1hNQS)

275 Posted by: USS Diversity at November 05, 2012 07:52 PM

No, we're trying to put O in the wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuYf1o41yK0feature=related

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 05, 2012 08:00 PM (rzTDZ)

276 MJ, srsly want to fight the Palin war now?>

Posted by: willow at November 05, 2012 08:01 PM (hX8cq)

277 Fucking shitty ass shitty timed poorly thought out and truly stupid decision post. thank god new threads are up and i can get away from this shitpalooza.

Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 08:01 PM (ovpNn)

278

In the spirit of comity, I give you Milla Jovovich singing. http://youtu.be/fQ_I_aWsaRM

Of course, every time I watch this now, I hear Beavis and Butthead in my head.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming for this thread. at November 05, 2012 07:56 PM (Gk3SS)
I can't really see the feet. Is she wearing "stompies"!

Posted by: Semi-New Moron. at November 05, 2012 08:01 PM (mkb9H)

279 One thing I guarantee: Mitt Romney will piss each and every moron off at least once during is administration. It's almost guaranted to be multiple times.

So. What?

Ronnie pissed me off, too. We piss each other off. That's just the way it goes.

Given recent history (say, the last 24 years), I'll be happy if we can get someone who goes in the right direction 80% of the time. Mitt may, or he may not.

However.

ocockhole will be against me 99.5% of the time. That's also guaranteed. I don't really see that there's much of a choice.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque voted for Romney/Ryan on Nov 1 at November 05, 2012 08:01 PM (eQnzo)

280 alex, tea, splash of brandy

ok a laaaarge splash of brandy.

Posted by: willow at November 05, 2012 08:01 PM (hX8cq)

281 ocockhole will be against me 99.5% of the time.

99.5%? RINO!

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2012 08:02 PM (IlZPo)

282 At the end of the day, we have a bottle of 18 year old single malt scotch that we will either savor in celebration, or chug to steel ourselves for 4 more years of fucking DOOM and misery.

Posted by: Fritz at November 05, 2012 08:02 PM (vm7ot)

283 Romney has really, really grown on me (not literally - that would be funny-weird-gross). The way he's conducted himself has been nothing less than impressive. He's been faced with the worst of the worst from the Zero campaign and has maintained his dignity and class. (Paul Ryan, too.)

One thing that really increased my opinion of him was the speech he gave to the NAACP. He talked straight to them and didn't pander. That took courage and principles. It's sad that such a thing has to take courage, but it does in the world we live in.

And as much as he wasn't my first, second, or even third choice during the primaries, I think a lot of you would agree that he was the perfect candidate for this time - squeaky clean, highly intelligent, decent, and caring. I don't think any other candidate would have been able to withstand the barrage of crap that has been flung at him by this SCOAMFy administration.

I will be very proud when Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan become the next POTUS and VPOTUS.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 05, 2012 08:03 PM (6zgse)

284 principlegina

Holy crap. That's beyond inspired. It has the inevitability of the best compositions by Gil Mellé.

Like this one, which Mellé wrote in twenty minutes.

http://tinyurl.com/ndqvuy

Posted by: Llarry at November 05, 2012 08:03 PM (Qj/8S)

285 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:00 PM (ZIkmx)

shut the fuck up dick shit. I am not interested in eeyorebaiting with a dickless wonder like you.

Posted by: jeremiah GOD Bless America with a Mitt Romney Presidency wright at November 05, 2012 08:04 PM (ovpNn)

286
I'm not sure who this Whittle guy is, but I don't find him persuasive. He says nothing that hasn't been said before.Romney has played the ultimate "strategy of ambiguity." See Anthony Downs'sEconomic Theory of Democracyto understand this. Basically, though, he has fuzzed up his position or "me too'd" nearly everything that Hussein stands for.Nearlyis the crucial word. He simply finds an issue or two--or a emotionally laden trope--and floats it over to us. This is not tough to do, with the hindsight of polling on what is popular and what isn't.Ah, but the problem with the "strategy of ambiguity" is that it requires that it not be identified as such by most of the electorate. That has always been Romney's problem. So what to do? Why, bring on Ryan. That is why Ryan is on the ticket: to make it look like Romney is not playing the strategy he surely is. It was a startlingly brilliant move. I only wish I know who thought of it.Every four years we conservatives are placed in a nasty chicken game where, if we do not abide by some elite choice, we will get even a nastier result than the elite choice. Over time, our behavior has facilitated a shift to ever-worse "Republican" candidates.But I suggest that, while this is a chicken game, it is an "iterated" one. I do not think the country will really be destroyed by Barky. He will want to do so, but he will not be able to. However, it will be destroyed (and is well on the way to being destroyed) by alternations between Bushes, Clintons, and SCOAMFs, and Romneys.That's why I will not vote tomorrow. I know that my failure to vote in the election will be tabulated, and since I voted in the primary, the logical inference will be made: I reject the choices given. ONLY by refusing to turn out can one make one's opinion about this sorry state of affairs clear. Otherwise, if you vote for the Libertarian, no one will be able to track your decision and understand it. I prefer to be individually tracked.Finally, the idea that we are obligated to vote if doing so reinforces processes that are destroying this country is absurd. The Founding Fathers didnotcreate the system that we have now. We are far from original intent. We may not be able to go back there--it may not even be sensible to go back completely--but we surely can and should go halfway back. Refusing to vote is the first step.If we are lucky, the various "conservative" clowns who sold us out will NOT get their little luncheons with the new prez. They won't get their internships or parties. They do NOT care about our values. They just want the perks that come with power. I, personally, do not care about perks I will not receive.

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:04 PM (FG/pH)

287 (I wrote in paragraphs. I do not know how the formatting was lost. Sorry.)

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:06 PM (FG/pH)

288 Aside from first thinking Romney wanted to be Pres. for the sake of being Pres., it became evident to me Romney wants it bad, real, real, bad as IMO, he thinks he can really fix the damage the big zer0 created.

Another concern was Mitts foreign policy, if he would take the moose-limb bro'hood world wide growth seriously. Felt better on that aspect after Rick Santorum had a sit down with Romney, then endorsed.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 05, 2012 08:06 PM (lGu1O)

289 I am going to proudly vote FOR Mitt Romney, because he is:

A) a Capitalist

B) Competent

Capitalism is the economic engine of freedom; freedom is the political engine of capitalism.

Posted by: Tim at November 05, 2012 08:06 PM (GkMRb)

290 To those like Monty who object to a Romney candidacy, you must admit this:

However wrong his political philosophy, he cleaned up the nomination because of his work ethic, discipline, perseverance, and so on, as well as past party loyalty after losing in 2008.

IF you have a problem with someone like Romney getting the nod, then you have to put up a BETTER candidate.

Not just a candidate who is closer to your political philosophy -- but one who is equally capable as a man, as a campaigner, as a leader.

If you don't present a true conservative who can WIN, don't be surprised when the party nominates a center-rightist who can.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:07 PM (ZIkmx)

291 The magnanimous tone of this article is why libertarianism and libertarians can't be taken seriously. They, like liberals, believe that utopia is possible (for liberals it's the benevolent government, for libertarians it's the heroic individual). That's why their both of their answers are always the same regardless of the question (for libertarians the answer is smaller government, for liberals it's bigger government).

Libertarians always act like we've there was some point in time where their views were mainstream when in fact that's not true. Washington worried about entangling alliances, not alliances. Even Jefferson stretched the Constitution in order to fight the Barbary War and add Louisiana and Madison established the second national bank.

Did these men betray their core principles? No. They understood the politics of governing, that is negotiating from those principles in order to actually get things done, like the Founders did at the Constitutional Convention.

The politics of governing is not a mandate for big, intrusive government, but what it means is that elected officials are expected to lead, which is exactly what Romney did in Massachusetts with a supermajority of liberals shaping every policy.

One of the reasons government was able to grow at such an unfettered pace came from the fact that, for a long time, people like Monty simply chose to walk away rather than engaging in politics. For them it was an all or nothing, and they chose nothing.

Monty quotes Lincoln. Libertarians need to take a hint from the antislavery movement. For a long time they separated themselves from politics, refusing to pick "the lesser evil." During that time slavery continued to spread. Finally they decided to act and actually try to govern. They nominated Lincoln--who didn't run on ending slavery in the South and focused on stopping its spread west. Eventually slavery ended.

American politics has always been about negotiation. With Romney and Ryan we'll have two of the best in the world fighting for a government that empowers people with economic choice. Libertarianism is an abstract idea that often contradicts itself, to see that all you have to do is look at the things Gary Johnson says.

Posted by: Carl at November 05, 2012 08:07 PM (OeUnr)

292 And maybe Ryan's the guy.

In which case (and obviously this was Monty's the point), Romney deserves credit for setting Ryan up to have a shot at the next nomination and/or the actual Presidency through an unexpected situation.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:08 PM (ZIkmx)

293 /end

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 05, 2012 08:09 PM (9eDbm)

294 >>>Posted by: Carl at November 05, 2012 08:07 PM

Ouch.

All I can say is I fully agree. That was a tour de force of sound reasoning and historical understanding.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:10 PM (ZIkmx)

295 Oh no, not again.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 05, 2012 08:11 PM (8/bPb)

296 Hey, I knowlet's have a flame war to get our minds off the polls.

Ok start on me. I hate Mitt's record. It is the record of a big government, statist, very left of center, progressive.

I am not voting for Mitt, I am voting against barky. You don't like it. Fuck off.

Posted by: GMB sub assult group leader. Vegatable Liberation Front. at November 05, 2012 08:11 PM (kPe9l)

297 Just when has Mitt ever said "there comes a point where you've made enough money" that is all one needs to know.


Without the shackle of needing to be reelected Obama will go full Commie complete with the gulags. He does not need face the people again and with all the flexibility that comes. And after an election the Media will have no problem saying the punishment and revenge was justified.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at November 05, 2012 08:11 PM (Ea64Y)

298 (Reformatted)

I'm not sure who this Whittle guy is, but I don't find him persuasive.
He says nothing that hasn't been said before.

Romney has played the
ultimate "strategy of ambiguity." See Anthony Downs's Economic Theory of
Democracy to understand this. Basically, though, he has fuzzed up his
position or "me too'd" nearly everything that Hussein stands
for. Nearly is the crucial word. He simply finds an issue or two--or a
emotionally laden trope--and floats it over to us. This is not tough to
do, with the hindsight of polling on what has been popular and what hasn't been.

Ah,
but the problem with the "strategy of ambiguity" is that it requires
that it not be identified as such by most of the electorate. That has
always been Romney's problem. So what to do? Why, bring on Ryan. That is
why Ryan is on the ticket: to make it look like Romney is not playing
the strategy he surely is. It was a startlingly brilliant move. I only
wish I know who thought of it.

Every four years we conservatives are
placed in a nasty chicken game where, if we do not abide by some elite
choice, we will get even a nastier result than the elite choice. Over
time, our behavior has facilitated a shift to ever-worse "Republican"
candidates.But I suggest that, while this is a chicken game, it is an
"iterated" one. I do not think the country will really be destroyed by
Barky. He will want to do so, but he will not be able to. However, it
will be destroyed (and is well on the way to being destroyed) by
alternations between Bushes, Clintons, and SCOAMFs, and Romneys.

That's
why I will not vote tomorrow. I know that my failure to vote in the
election will be tabulated, and since I voted in the primary, the
logical inference will be made: I reject the choices given. ONLY by
refusing to turn out can one make one's opinion about this sorry state
of affairs clear. Otherwise, if you vote for the Libertarian, no one
will be able to track your decision and understand it. I prefer to be
individually tracked.Finally, the idea that we are obligated to vote if
doing so reinforces processes that are destroying this country is
absurd. The Founding Fathers did not create the system that we have now.
We are far from original intent. We may not be able to go back there--it
may not even be sensible to go back completely--but we surely can and
should go halfway back. Refusing to vote is the first step.

If we are
lucky, the various "conservative" clowns who sold us out will NOT get
their little luncheons with the new prez. They won't get their
internships or parties. They do NOT care about our values. They just
want the perks that come with power. I, personally, do not care about
perks I will not receive.

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:12 PM (FG/pH)

299 I am so ready to cast my vote for R/R tomorrow. Not only will we get rid of Obama but Jarret, Sebelius, Clinton, Pannetta, Solis, Jackson, Duncan, Salazar, Clapper, Carney, Donilon, Brennan and 40other czars. bye bye!

Posted by: Lilly Lurksalot at November 05, 2012 08:12 PM (9JxIc)

300 Oh, right: the last word from Libertarians, who deign every four years to vote Republican because, for some reason they can't quite fathom, no one seems to take them seriously.Well, here's a clue:idolizing Ron Paul, a man who once starred in an Alex Jones documentary warning of asecret Bildersburger Group conspiracy funded by a cabal of Jewish Bankers, whose evil plot is to turn us all into slaves ruled by our near-immortal, genetically enhanced Illuminati Overlords, and whose evil scientistsare even now working in secret laboratories, conductinggenetic experiments involving spider-goat hybrids, is an indication that your underlying Libertarian beliefs might be a bit fucked in the head, which is why nobody takes you seriously.

Posted by: troyriser at November 05, 2012 08:12 PM (vtiE6)

301 Did you really have to post that twice?!!

I'll crawl over broken glass to vote for Romney.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2012 08:13 PM (jkDqy)

302
Nice to read you again Monty. I hope you're doing well.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 05, 2012 08:13 PM (AC0lD)

303 That's why I will not vote tomorrow. I know that my failure to vote in the

election will be tabulated, and since I voted in the primary, the

logical inference will be made: I reject the choices given. ONLY by

refusing to turn out can one make one's opinion about this sorry state

of affairs clear.


And your "principled stance" will have all of the impact of a mouse fart.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 05, 2012 08:14 PM (vbh31)

304 >>>Aside from first thinking Romney wanted to be Pres. for the sake of being Pres., it became evident to me Romney wants it bad, real, real, bad as IMO, he thinks he can really fix the damage the big zer0 created.

That's my take too.

Since he nominated Ryan.

I can't remember whose opinion piece, but the author made the point that Romney had quite intentionally turned the campaign into one over ideas and ideology. That even if he lost, he had presented Americans with a real choice.

Monty is, with all due respect, so far to the libertarian end of the political spectrum that he doesn't see a dime's worth of difference between them.

But Romney did his best to present a real difference for people to choose. I think this is part of why Romney's so confident and relaxed.

He thinks he'll probably win, but he's a smart guy and knows the internal polling is tight. However, he's at peace with himself because he presented a principled alternative for the people to pick up and run with if they wish.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:14 PM (ZIkmx)

305 I'm kinda with Sassy on this. Really Monty? This post on the eve of what will be the most important election in our lifetime?

Loved all your other stuff......this, not so much.
Posted by: Tami at November 05, 2012 07:35 PM (X6akg)


This is what I feel, too.

Posted by: lael at November 05, 2012 08:15 PM (tUcg9)

306 A vote for Romney is a vote. I don't care if it's for Ryan (a wise choice, it seems) or because the voter likes Ann, or because Mitt has good suits, or any one of a hundred reasons people vote.

A campaign collects votes from the flotsam and jetsam of America. That's why we see candidates with celebrities, posing with children, talking about sports teams, and all the rest. It's the America that we live in, where some voters make decisions based on strange reasoning, or none at all.

I was a Perry supporter. While I still think he would be a good president, he cannot get elected if he cannot speak well in debates. This is a reflection of the emphasis modern media has placed on words rather than deeds.

Romney LEARNED this as the campaign went along. I have grown to really admire him and have a fondness for him which quite surprises me. He has campaigned his heart out. And Ann has been out there as well, even though she has MS and this has to be exhausting her.

Besides fiscal policies, the value of having a pro-American, dignified president who will stand up for our nation cannot be discounted. We NEED this man as president.

So welcome aboard, Monty, for whatever reason you have decided to join us.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 05, 2012 08:15 PM (GoIUi)

307 Hey Monty...how about sneaking in a DOOOOM post one of these am's...just for old times sake?

Posted by: Red Shirt at November 05, 2012 08:16 PM (3p2TP)

308 Jeebus. Tuesday night can't come fast enough. Everyone and their mother seem to have gone batshit crazy up in here due to the election.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 05, 2012 08:16 PM (+Md9P)

309 (FenelonSpoke, if you are writing to me, all I can say is that it is easier to read this time. Sorry again.)

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:17 PM (FG/pH)

310 I, personally, do not care about perks I will not receive.
Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:12 PM (FG/pH)

Nice to know. Oh, and yeah: you know that dancer at the club you like so much? The little blonde number? Candi? Brandi? Something like that? Yeah. Her. She's not really into you, man. Sorry, but somebody had to say it. She's nice to everybody like that. It's her job.

Posted by: troyriser at November 05, 2012 08:17 PM (vtiE6)

311 For everyone jumping on monty and talking always voting Republican no matter what, I think you should step back and think about all of the folks in the GOP that were committed statists by their actions no matter what their rhetoric porclaimed.
Was Regan the best president of my lifetime? Of course.
But there might have been one who was better if he'd been elected. Goldwater knew the groups that were fronts for world socialism and might possibly have been able to rip them out by their roots.
I hate the dhimmicommies, but the GOP statists who smile in your face and say what you want to hear but keep the rot proceeding "forward" beneath the surface have done their share of harm.
By the time Mitt fills his cabinet and all of the "assistants to" and "deputy director of" posts have been filled I'll be able to tell you exactly what Mitt is.
And yeah, I'm voting for him. But I would have rather been voting for Sarah.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 05, 2012 08:17 PM (HEWhR)

312 Good to read another thoughtful post from you Monty. Thanks for initiating the Sunday book thread by the way , OregonMuse has done an excellent job keeping it going.

Posted by: waelse1 at November 05, 2012 08:18 PM (jWM0L)

313 #311 But Sarah didn't run, did she? Take your complaints to her.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 05, 2012 08:18 PM (GoIUi)

314 Polls open at 7:00am. The three adults in my household (hubby, housemate, me) are all voting Romney/Ryan. There was never any doubt in our house, even though we all three liked different candidates in the primary -- we must get Obagman and his cronies out if this country is to survive in any recognizable form.

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 08:19 PM (48wze)

315 Monty, if we win, how about hosing poetry jam on Friday night?!

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 05, 2012 08:19 PM (Iyg03)

316 315
Monty, if we win, how about hosing poetry jam on Friday night?!




Posted by: rdbrewer at November 05, 2012 08:19 PM (Iyg03)

Hey, why not? This thread's hosed already. ;-)

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 08:20 PM (48wze)

317 Soap MacTavish, you stay classy. My stance is no more a mouse fart than your willingness to--again!--play the dupe.

Hey, I'm happy for anyone out there to point out where my analysis fails. But I'm not happy to get involved in a flame war. I skimmed the responses (and I am an occasional silent visitor here). I thought it worthwhile to share my very different approach.

Thanks.

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:20 PM (FG/pH)

318 I'll vote for him...BUT...shove up ur ass bud...you're a whiner

Posted by: rukiddingme? at November 05, 2012 08:22 PM (MbeEN)

319 308
Jeebus. Tuesday night can't come fast enough. Everyone and their mother
seem to have gone batshit crazy up in here due to the election.



Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 05, 2012 08:16 PM (+Md9P)

You are so right. The stress is wearing everyone down, I think. I'm amazed at how energetic Mitt is, coming down to the wire!

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 08:22 PM (48wze)

320 Voting for theVP choice again this cycle, eh Monty? Well, if you are going to vote for the guy who voted yes on the auto bailout, yes on TARP, yes on a massive government intrusion into health care, yes on pork-laden infrastructure bills, and yes on raising thedebt ceiling, why bother with that punk, Ryan?Vote for me, I'm already the President!

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 05, 2012 08:23 PM (IZWJt)

321 I deplore his record as Governor in Massachusetts, and can only pray
that he will live up to the faith small-government conservatives are
placing in him.


You mean a Republican in blue-as-blue-can-be Massachusetts couldn't govern like the hard-core right-winger you'd prefer? Unbelievable!

Posted by: Punahou Death Stare at November 05, 2012 08:23 PM (sTS/8)

322 Monty's Daily DOOM!, the feature I miss the most @ AOSHQ.

Posted by: Firing the SCOAMF tomorrow at November 05, 2012 08:24 PM (3QbfC)

323 I'm voting for Mitt Romney because I think he will be an excellent President. How 'bout that?

Posted by: Mike at November 05, 2012 08:24 PM (IZWJt)

324 >>>I was a Perry supporter. While I still think he would be a good president, he cannot get elected if he cannot speak well in debates. This is a reflection of the emphasis modern media has placed on words rather than deeds.

>>>Romney LEARNED this as the campaign went along. I have grown to really admire him and have a fondness for him which quite surprises me. He has campaigned his heart out.

I was by no means a Perry supporter. I was a Newt guy, big time.

But you're right about Romney. He, as ace pointed out umpteen times, does his homework, and his over-achiever tendencies (yet coupled with also achieving in his personal life, family and church and community) really helped him improve himself in the several years he ran for the Presidency.

And at everything else he ever did.

I expect great things from him.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:24 PM (ZIkmx)

325 A lot of sand in vaginas around here.

Posted by: nip at November 05, 2012 08:27 PM (11Tdq)

326 Santorum would have had this in the bag already. Such a shame.

Posted by: Reverend Morrison at November 05, 2012 08:27 PM (MVGKx)

327 >>>Santorum would have had this in the bag already. Such a shame.

LOL

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:28 PM (ZIkmx)

328 @286 skzion- I do believe that is the first time I've seen you post. And it was a dandy.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 05, 2012 08:29 PM (M7Cfv)

329 Posted by: Carl at November 05, 2012 08:07 PM (OeUnr)

Well said, Carl.

And I agree that picking Ryan was a governing choice. Something that I found encouraging.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 05, 2012 08:30 PM (QupBk)

330 Samwise, I was a reluctant Newt guy as well. However, the issue is not whether Romney is smart and hardworking. Absolutely! The issue is that there is no reason to believe he will be any different in foreign policy, Islam, or immigration than Hussein, and all we can expect from Romney in domestic policy is that he will probably manage to improve somewhat the efficiency of the bloated federal government. In other words, he will help consolidate Big Government until the next Marxist comes in.

If, however, we refuse to vote, perhaps next time the Republican Powers that Be will calculate our willingness to refuse to vote for their candidate this time. Given all the conservatives in this country, we CAN get a modestly economically conservative Republican candidate.

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:32 PM (FG/pH)

331 Britt Hume on Bill O' "...reporters do not like scenarios that haven't happened yet..."

Posted by: Semi-New Moron. at November 05, 2012 08:35 PM (mkb9H)

332 Milton Friedman famously said that the task was not to elect the right people, it was to convince the wrong people to do the right things. I think this may be the time to see if he was right.

Posted by: JonathanG at November 05, 2012 08:36 PM (aYOnh)

333 If, however, we refuse to vote, perhaps next time the Republican Powers that Be will calculate our willingness to refuse to vote for their candidate this time. Given all the conservatives in this country, we CAN get a modestly economically conservative Republican candidate.

Their candidate? Were there no primaries? If your guy can't win a primary, he's not likely to win a general.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 05, 2012 08:36 PM (QupBk)

334 If, however, we refuse to vote, perhaps next time the Republican Powers
that Be will calculate our willingness to refuse to vote for their
candidate this time.

-----------------


No.

The time for this is past. The primaries were your chance to push your candidate. There is no one to stop Obama now but Mitt. It is on you to decide if that is a worthwhile goal or not. Sitting home to make a point makes no point at all.

How do they know you just didn't die?

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 08:37 PM (P6QsQ)

335
I can't believe we're even still talking about this.

On the one hand, we have a lying socialist thug, whose uniqueness revolves around how many accolades he has been showered with in life, while having fewACTUAL accomplishments to speak of (and that's being kind).

On the other hand, we have a guy of extraordinary personal character, who is both presidential in demeanor and unashamedly pro-American,who has been legendary for turning around financially-troubled organizations, of multiple types. The only criticisms people can throw at him revolve around how ACCOMPLISHED he is!

This is about as much of a "no-brainer" as you could imagine.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 05, 2012 08:39 PM (Mxt9o)

336 Well unlike the folks at the top of the thread, I will be voting enthusiastically for Romney, not against Obama.

I have met the man and I believe in his character.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 05, 2012 08:40 PM (dX4hn)

337 >>>"I was a reluctant Newt guy as well"

I was hardly reluctant for Newt personally -- I was in the tank (but not in a bad way; Newt has great campaigning qualities).

I loved Newt while in office, and I have a soft spot for verbal fluency and rhetoric, since these are qualities I possess to a degree.

But I believe Romney is the right man at the right time. Primary campaigns are about separating the wheat from the chaff. The process worked.

I agree, though, with some of your concerns about foreign policy. Mitt, for example, seems to want to join McCain and jump on the "arm the Syrian 'rebels'" bandwagon, and support the "Arab Spring" generally. I'm more into Pat Buchanonesque realpolitick.

Even though I supported the Arab Spring at first, cautiously and optimistically (largely because of having some Arab and even Persian friends, and realizing they're not all radical, plus FB, cell phones, etc., have helped modernize many), it soon became apparent that nice people like my friends were not going to keep power against Jihadis without a police state in place.

Regrettably, but factually. I hope Romney picks up on this fact.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:40 PM (ZIkmx)

338 There is no one to stop Obama now but Mitt.

And if you disliked his policies in his first term, what do you imagine his second term will be like without the brake of re-election to curb him?

Posted by: Retread at November 05, 2012 08:42 PM (zxitI)

339 Thank you for reminding me of Mr. Lincoln's most memorable quote:
paraphrased "none of the Army's of Europe, Asia or Africa combined, could take a drink from the Ohio or set a foot in the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years...but if destruction be our lot, we ourselves must be the author and finisher..."

Posted by: The Moomintroll at November 05, 2012 08:42 PM (Q/5uf)

340
"330... If, however, we refuse to vote, perhaps next time the Republican Powers that Be will calculate our willingness to refuse to vote for their candidate this time. Given all the conservatives in this country, we CAN get a modestly economically conservative Republican candidate."


You have got to be some sort of Obama plant. No Republican with a pulse could possibly have failed to learn their lesson about this, after the last 4 years.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 05, 2012 08:42 PM (Mxt9o)

341 >>>If, however, we refuse to vote, perhaps next time the Republican Powers that Be will calculate our willingness to refuse to vote for their candidate this time.

Oh, and if you actually must go through with this, don't do it when someone of the ilk of Barack Obama is in office.

Barack Obama is a unique individual and not in a good way.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:42 PM (ZIkmx)

342 If Gary Johnson needs a hug, why doesn't he deliver New Mexico, you know, like for the good of the nation?

Posted by: Old Glazier at November 05, 2012 08:42 PM (YGHl3)

343 >>> On the one hand, we have a lying socialist thug, whose uniqueness revolves around how many accolades he has been showered with in life, while having fewACTUAL accomplishments to speak of (and that's being kind).

>>> On the other hand, we have a guy of extraordinary personal character, who is both presidential in demeanor and unashamedly pro-American,who has been legendary for turning around financially-troubled organizations, of multiple types. The only criticisms people can throw at him revolve around how ACCOMPLISHED he is!

>>> This is about as much of a "no-brainer" as you could imagine.

This.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:44 PM (ZIkmx)

344 326 - that had to be a joke, I hope. Always hated that whiney s.o.b.

Posted by: Sassy at November 05, 2012 08:45 PM (detCI)

345
[quote]If, however, we refuse to vote, perhaps next
time the Republican Powers that Be will calculate our willingness to
refuse to vote for their candidate this time. ... [/quote]


No, they won't. You'll become part of the 47% that Mitt calculated he couldn't get (correctly, IMO). Or you'll fall off the voter rolls.

[quote]Given all the conservatives in this country, we CAN get a modestly economically conservative Republican candidate.[/quote]




Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:32 PM (FG/pH)

Yes, we can -- if, and only if, we do it in the primaries. The general election is not the time to withhold your vote. Do you think that it's possible that Mitt might give you even 10% of what you want? Well, Obagman is sure to give you 0% of what you want. My mother used to say, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 08:45 PM (48wze)

346 toby928, didn't you notice that candidate after candidate became the non-Romney, suddenly soaring in popularity? Given how different these candidates were, what would this suggest except that not-Mitt was the dominant theme? Primary activity like this is unprecedented. Unfortunately, with a series of not-Mitt candidates, not one will accumulate enough support.

There is a whole literature on the importance of controlling agendas and timing, of restricting participation via procedural shenanigans, and so forth. Check out Arrow's Theorem for some examples. The Republican Party elites implemented many of these principles. For example, their Selected Son was substantially more liberal than any other candidate. Thus, early on, the other candidates kept splitting the "conservative" vote, leading to a candidate no majority of Republicans would prefer if given the option of Romney vs. The Other.

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:46 PM (FG/pH)

347 281 ocockhole will be against me 99.5% of the time.

99.5%? RINO!
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 05, 2012 08:02 PM (IlZPo)


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I figure he's too fucking lazy to go the extra mile for 100% customer service...

Posted by: Boomer Redneque voted for Romney/Ryan on Nov 1 at November 05, 2012 08:47 PM (eQnzo)

348 >>>My mother used to say, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."

For me it's a lifestyle.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:47 PM (ZIkmx)

349 Voting for Romney because of Ryan?

How can that be even close to anything remotely libertarian?

I'm voting for Romney because in the last six months, the full-bore Stalinism out of the Obama/Media complex totally took all other political considerations OFF the board. Every. Freaking. One.

Posted by: K~Bob at November 05, 2012 08:48 PM (9pKaM)

350
Sorry- I went cross thread awhile.
Ace is giving away a Christine Hendricks look-alike pudding girl, as a reward for best GotV'er.
And, yes, Chique d', I'm enjoyingmyself immensly.
Tim- Yes for Conservatism, Capitalism, and love of the 'American Way'.
And BCochrane - I can take an elbow or two.. Aint skeered.
I just wish I'd found the AoS earlier. Oh well. Glad tobe hear now.
I am actually kinda' giddy for tommorow. Mrs.Semi-new is positive ofa landslide. She says 285-290, but she is fuzzy on the math.

Posted by: Semi-New Moron. at November 05, 2012 08:49 PM (mkb9H)

351 >>>There is a whole literature on the importance of controlling agendas and timing, of restricting participation via procedural shenanigans, and so forth. Check out Arrow's Theorem for some examples. The Republican Party elites implemented many of these principles. For example, their Selected Son was substantially more liberal than any other candidate. Thus, early on, the other candidates kept splitting the "conservative" vote, leading to a candidate no majority of Republicans would prefer if given the option of Romney vs. The Other.

I don't really buy your conspiracy theory since my stated conclusion is "the [primary] process worked", but even conceding you're right, at least the elites picked a good candidate.

That ain't nothing.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 08:51 PM (ZIkmx)

352 Mama Winger, you say, "How do they know you just didn't die?" Death records are public information. Anyway, they know my age. It is highly unlikely that I would just kick the bucket. Further, I plan to vote in the next midterm election.

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:53 PM (FG/pH)

353
I voted for Romney because I got a tingle up my magic drawers.
That and bho is a scoamf.

Posted by: Ringo at November 05, 2012 08:53 PM (dQ/Oc)

354 I *refuse* to have an anxiety attack. I am voting tomorrow in Washtenaw county, home of the People's Republic of Ann Arbor. RR may not take Michigan, but he'll win Ohio and we'll have 4 years, at least, to start the reclaiming of our heritage.

Also Maker's Mark and pudding -- vanilla.

Posted by: sinmi at November 05, 2012 08:54 PM (WLoOJ)

355 Good writin' and good cogitatin', Sir. A pleasure as always.

Posted by: gary gulrud at November 05, 2012 08:56 PM (uv0Aw)

356 Samwise, you say, "Oh, and if you actually must go through with this, don't do it when someone of the ilk of Barack Obama is in office."

Well, the last time we voted for McCain; before that, for W twice. That's why we have Romney to "choose" in this iteration. How many iterations of Ws, Barkys, Clintons, and Romneys will it take for our system to become so deranged that it can no longer be righted?

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 08:59 PM (FG/pH)

357 Thus, early on, the other candidates kept splitting the "conservative" vote, leading to a candidate no majority of Republicans would prefer if given the option of Romney vs. The Other.

So your problem is with the voters, or too many conservatives running against each other. I fail to see how this is a conspiracy.

The problem with Libertarianism, is Libertarians.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 05, 2012 09:00 PM (QupBk)

358 Unless ... the Freemasons are somehow involved.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 05, 2012 09:01 PM (QupBk)

359 Good luck trying to be a conservative Governor of Massachusetts

Posted by: Bathhouse Barry at November 05, 2012 09:04 PM (ygAKx)

360 "I don't really buy your conspiracy theory since my stated conclusion is
"the [primary] process worked", but even conceding you're right, at
least the elites picked a good candidate. That ain't nothing."

Well, Samwise, if the elites picked such a good candidate, why, during the course of the primary season, did candidate after candidate, after becoming the un-Mitt of the moment, suddenly look so appealing to Republican voters? Each of those candidates was mainly a stand-in, a protest, of Mitt, who had extremely strong elite support early on. And the candidates, with the exception of Newt, were not exactly a brilliant bunch.

I'm not arguing for a conspiracy theory. I'm saying that politicos play political games!


Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 09:07 PM (FG/pH)

361 Some slack, be cut-tething.

Monty really didn't want Rombley. Me neither.

Last minute pitch to those who were of his persuasion, that voting for R was painful but necessary.

Remember how we all acknowledged it takes some time to arrive at a position?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 05, 2012 09:09 PM (pUqSw)

362 I'm not conflicted about Romney at all anymore.

Even at the height of my Romney-derangement syndrome (during the primaries) I always said I'd support him if he picked Ryan or Rubio as his VP (that was the ticket I wanted at a brokered convention, w/ Ryan at the top).

The reason is I thought Romney was unelectable, and thought "well, after he loses, if we have one of those two as 'heir apparent' we have a future".

The reason I thought that, is that I thought they could unite the Tea Party and Establishment Republicans...and avoid the inevitable infighting someone like a Palin or a Huntsman would produce (though I think they're both underrated by those that despise them).

Also avoiding the boredom and coma of someone like T-Paw.

I got bounced from a popular conservative site (deservedly) on the night Romney won Ohio (I knew the nomination was his then).

I sort of used a lot of profanity to explain I'd be voting for Johnson, the Libertarian. And I surely intended to do this.

But...Romney started growing on me when he didn't throw D. Trump over-board. I think that birther stuff is semi-moronic (maybe more than semi) but I don't believe it's intrinsically racist...it's just yet another conspiracy theory. Why can Sharpton be a D in good standing, but Trump can't be an R?

That he stood by Trump told me he would stand by his friends...which is very, very important. It matters on issues like SCOTUS Justices etc.

I liked the little stuff too. Heckling Axelrod in Boston. They said "this is our turf". I was observing.

Remember when McCain's campaign head said he wouldn't keep the job if O was the D nominee? That he wouldn't go against the first legitimate Black Pres nominee w/ a chance to win? And McCain didn't fire him on the spot?

McCain had effectively given up so early. Romney was showing me things.

By the time he picked Ryan I was on board. It's weird...if we lose this election and OH by a fraction...I'll wonder about Portman.

But Ryan was the guy I wanted on the top of the ticket...like Romney, I'll go down w/ my people if I go down.

Maybe I'm a fool, but I don't see the usual back-stabbing if we lose. I see us getting ready to cut O's congress to pieces in the mid-terms. Surely he can't blame Bush six-years in? If he tries, it won't work.

Also, he'll serve no purpose to the Ds after the mid-terms, and will become a burden on whatever candidate they want in 2016. They'll throw O overboard...the last ironic twist to all this.

And no Party has kept the WhiteHouse since the 40s, except Reagan/Bush. If Nixon and Gore couldn't can Biden or whoever? I don't think so.

We've got a good bench, and Ryan as the heir apparent (as he will be after this close election...and any loss would be close).

But don't think I think we're going to lose.

I did think so, before the first debate. Which is why I didn't post anywhere. Who needs a downer and all that? But I wouldn't say we were going to win unless I thought we would.

I do.

Why? Well, it's all about the popular vote. See the people on intrade and betters in Vegas w/ those pro-O lines all think it's about the EC. It is, of course.

But what they don't know, and I do, is that the winner of the PV has about a 70% chance of winning the EC if he or she wins by under a point.

90%+ if he or she wins by over a point.

Virtually 100% if he or she wins by over two points.

Not bad odds to me, if you think Romney will win the PV by any margin. LOL. Especially when you factor in how fucked up these D+1,000,000 samples these polls have had are.

Get it while it's hot on InTrade. Seriously.

See you all tomorrow. ;

Posted by: trickamsterdam at November 05, 2012 09:12 PM (uTBHY)

363 "And we must remember that our children will bear the consequences of the choice we make."

I hear that an awful lot from Republicans. It can only mean they will submit if Obama wins.

If you're willing to live as a slave, and hand slavery down for your children to inherit, there is no saving you.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 05, 2012 09:15 PM (3GtyG)

364 Monty-Hell of a start to your essay, way to rally the base.

sheesh.

Posted by: Uniball at November 05, 2012 09:17 PM (zo6dd)

365 I would say, Monty, a little cheering down is in order. He was governor of Massachusetts, for goodness sake. You do what you have to do to move the chess pieces to the next level. And now the game is over, checkmate. His choice of VP is very telling. And it takes a Congress willing to make the hard choices too, not just the executive branch. I think I for one will be more often surprised by what he may be able to do. He knows business, and he is a decent man, clearly. I am optimistic, I wish you could be too. Patience. Patience.

Posted by: Vince the optimist at November 05, 2012 09:17 PM (OKgOW)

366 "So your problem is with the voters, or too many conservatives
running against each other. I fail to see how this is a conspiracy.
The problem with Libertarianism, is Libertarians."

Toby, I'm not sure how Libertarianism got into the conversation. Political elites bargain and make assessments about what advantages them. Not all Republican elites make the same assessments. But Romney came into the primaries with support that could not be justified by his past accomplishments. Furthermore, reasonably economically conservative candidates who might be more appealing did not enter the race. I cannot be sure why such things happened. What I can say, however, is that if party elites know that they risk a nontrivial refusal to turn out if a candidate is bad enough, they will not risk such a bad candidate. They are rational creatures, after all.

So long as we vote for the lesser of two evils without regard for the degree of evil in "our" candidate, we permit Republican candidates to become progressively more evil over time. We also end up with someone who, by not being reasonably conservative, does not faithfully reflect the values, and will not implement the policies, that will really improve things.

Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 09:20 PM (FG/pH)

367 For those still inclined to make the perfect the enemy of the good (or to give backhanded endorsements the day before an election), let me say this: in my lifetime, I have never witnessed a presidential campaign with a message so straightforwardly and unashamedly pro-capitalist (or pro-free-market), pro limited government (against big government), and with the guts and the balls (unprecedented for a Republican campaign) to touch certain taboo third rails, engaging the enemy on a political field filled with killer landmines (though that involved some genius jujitsu, e.g. on Medicare). NB I was too young at the time to follow Reagan's campaign, so it may well be second only to Reagan.

Picking Paul Ryan as VP was HUGE. Let us recall for a moment the political reality not too long ago: Paul Ryan was PUBLIC ENEMY #1 for Dems/MSM. Politically toxic. The guy Newt himself accused of engaging in "right-wing social engineering." Dems were giddy at the thought they would run against him.

Romney had the guts and insight to pick Ryan, despite the risks. That told me a lot about his priorities, and how he envisions the role of his presidency. The tasks at hand. Tasks for which you would want a Paul Ryan at your side.

I honestly am hard pressed to think of any conceivable (politically viable) candidate better suited for the present circumstances, challenges, problems facing this country than Romney. Whose greatest expertise and success is in the private sector, not in government-- and precisely in dealing with corporations/ entities that are bankrupt, debt-ridden, in-urgent-almost-fatal-financial-condition. Has shown he has what it takes in both the public and private sector to be an effective and competent chief executive. Loves America. And goddamn, the guy has worked hard to win, to deserve, our (all our) votes. He didn't take the GOP base, or conservatives, or the election, for granted. In retrospect, I'm grateful that Santorum and Newt (and their supporters) gave Romney such a tough time, put up such a tough fight-- they didn't let him off easy, set a high bar he would have to meet.

OMG, that first debate. Whoever wins the election, whatever you think of Romney, that first debate was a historical political high point for Republicans and conservatives. It was epic. I will always be grateful to Romney for that (and he made that achievement look much easier than it actually was).

I think many would agree (even those initially against him) that he's done a great job-- as much as is possible in a campaign-- to meet the expectations, skepticism, demands of conservatives who supported other primary candidates. And may I say, I'm impressed, grateful, humbled by the support many anti-Romney conservatives eventually gave to his campaign. Oddly enough, some of the most stalwart Romney supporters now are the very same people who were the most stalwart Palin supporters in 2008. Tea Partiers and others, who recognize what's really at stake, beyond ego bullshit and pundit jackassery. And appreciate what's good and great about the R/R campaign.

I'm voting against Obama, of course. That's like saying, I'm against cancer.

But I'm voting, very enthusiastically, FOR Romney/ Ryan too. Fuck yeah!

Posted by: lael at November 05, 2012 09:27 PM (tUcg9)

368 "...I hear that an awful lot from Republicans. It can only mean they will submit if Obama wins. If you're willing to live as a slave, and hand slavery down for your children to inherit, there is no saving you.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 05, 2012 09:15 PM (3GtyG)"

What do you mean by that statement? What's your idea of 'non-submission'? Just curious.

Here's the thing: in this country, we abide by the results of a free and fair election. If we win, we gloat and savor the tears of our opponents and the lamentations of their women. If we lose, weendure and somehow muddle through. In four years, we vote again. That's how it works. Not perfect, but the best around--and it's certainly better than shooting each other.

Posted by: troyriser at November 05, 2012 09:29 PM (vtiE6)

369 So long as we vote for the lesser of two evils without regard for the degree of evil in "our" candidate, we permit Republican candidates to become progressively more evil over time. We also end up with someone who, by not being reasonably conservative, does not faithfully reflect the values, and will not implement the policies, that will really improve things.
Posted by: skzion at November 05, 2012 09:20 PM (FG/pH)

The logic doesn't follow anywhere in that argument. Define evil. Define 'reasonably conservative'. Define 'our values'. Define policies 'that will really improve things'.

If your idea of 'reasonable conservativism' is one where you refrain from participating in the electoral process out of pique, then it isn't 'reasonable conservativism'.

Posted by: troyriser at November 05, 2012 09:33 PM (vtiE6)

370 >>>the inevitable infighting someone like a Palin or a Huntsman would produce (though I think they're both underrated by those that despise them).

Huntsman yes, Palin no.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 09:34 PM (OwV/b)

371 ((((Monty!))) Doom-meister.......

Thanks for sharing that. I know several people who had difficulty, but ultimately decided to turn out for R/R because they hate what TFG is doing, more than they hate the Two Party System. Lesser of evils.

(And then there's the quote I've been using on 'em:

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.")

Glad you worked it out.

Posted by: JeanQueenie at November 05, 2012 09:40 PM (Gmp2Z)

372 OF COURSE Romney is not perfect, and OF COURSE he will disappoint all of us in some ways. (Just as any politician, Reagan included, did/ would.) I expect he's going to get almost as much criticism from the right as the left, as he should.

But denigrating him as "unpalatable" or with a record worthy of "hate"-- the night before the 2012 election against Obama!-- seems... cuckoo to me. For lack of a better word (and because I like Monty and am in total sympathy with his larger concerns about our country's future, I'm holding back).

Some third-party-voting purists remind me of guys who reject any relationship with a real-world actual woman because their expectations/requirements correspond to Playboy/ porn star fantasies. (Or the equivalent analogy for women dreaming of the perfect Prince Charming.)

Such unrealistic fantasy standards (which bear little to no relation to actual real world reality) seem as unwise when it comes to your love life as they do in politics.

Posted by: lael at November 05, 2012 09:45 PM (tUcg9)

373 ______________________________

Extremely well written, Monty.

I, of course, don't share your assessment that Mitt Romney is a statist technocrat. But I can see how one would fairly scrutinize his record as Governor of Massachusetts and reach that conclusion.

I would only proffer the familiar counterargument that Romney's governance was significantly (but not entirely) a product of his constituency. (I think that he actually showed some rightward tendencies as Governor.)

However I would also add that Romney himself grew up in a well-to-do North Eastern culture. He attended elite, North Eastern universities. His national perspective was in all likelihood influenced by these intellectually toxic environs. I suggest that he even through his late 40's through early 50's that he literally saw the world (and our very nation) with a different set of eyes than he has now.

But in the last five years or so, I believe that Mitt Romney has been won over by America's Heartland. Running for the presidency since before 2008 required Mitt to tour the Red States and conservative venues of our country. - Because he had to win us over. He reached out and got to know us. He interacted with and engaged us. And learned from us.
He got to know us, and I think he genuinely likes us. It would at least appear that he generally and sincerely agrees with us.

I'm not saying he's a died in the wool Reagan Conservative.
But I do believe that he is a recent convert to conservatism.

If we're lucky enough to have him as president, and yet he fails to cut the deficit by an average of at least a third by the end of his first term, I seriously doubt I'd turn out for him in 2016. Because then I'd seriously doubt that he was the conservative (at least in the fiscal sense) that I now believe him to be.




Posted by: _Dave_ at November 05, 2012 09:50 PM (J+Q+d)

374 _______________________________

Hey JeanQueenie @371, I really like your Permanent Waves lyric reference.

Let's remember that throughout this experience:
"Changes aren't permanent. But change is."



Posted by: _Dave_ at November 05, 2012 09:54 PM (J+Q+d)

375 Sorry Monty- this sounds like something that should have been written in January during the primaries, not on election eve.

Posted by: Moonbeam at November 05, 2012 10:09 PM (1k4dd)

376 @372: "Some third-party-voting purists remind me of guys who reject any relationship with a real-world actual woman because their expectations/requirements correspond to Playboy/ porn star fantasies. (Or the equivalent analogy for women dreaming of the perfect Prince Charming.)
Such unrealistic fantasy standards (which bear little to no relation to actual real world reality) seem as unwise when it comes to your love life as they do in politics." - lael

Pretty much, you've got it down.

Since you said "I was too young to follow Reagan's campaigns", I guess you could be 25, or 35, or, even, I guess, 45.

But I'm guessing...closer to 25. Not because you're unwise, but because your writing (both the one I quoted, and the longer post above) is a bit emotional, but not in a bad sense (and it's very good, and also there's nothing wrong w/ being emotional).

And I'm glad you've been moved by the fact that conservatives that didn't like him came to respect him. I was moved that he obviously came to respect us too.

But mostly you're lucky that you've realized the part of your post that I quoted as young as you did. As you say...it applies to all areas of life, also...not just politics.

BTW, just to not leave a false impression, I'm too young to remember Reagan's campaigns, also...though I was alive during the Presidential ones. LOL

Note to everyone: If Romney wins the PV by any margin, he has at least a 70% chance of winning the EC. By more than a point, and it starts to approach virtually 100%. So this deal is very, very doable.

Therefore, let's do it.

Posted by: trickamsterdam at November 05, 2012 10:55 PM (uTBHY)

377 SKZION

look, you're right. a good argument can be made that for those of us who are younger conservatives, the republican ship is sinking and we're going to need a third party to have a hope for the future. Younger conservatives are more likely to believe in fiscal sanity -not enslaving ourselves and our children to the debts of our parents (or building our own debts), to think we are not responsible for democratizing the middle east, but rather for the protection of America, and furthermore to think it is not the purview of the US government to regulate marriage (gay or straight). If Romney loses this election, then the Republican party as we know it is dead. With this big of a statist, Keynesian demagogue in office, if the current coalition of religious right, libertarian, paleoconservative, and other subgroups cannot even eke out a Republican victory, then it seems likely to become a demographic impossibility. Obama will enact immigration reform and instantly have many more votes; he will install supreme court justices to ensure voter ID laws never stick; and doubtless he will find yet more methods to kill the coalition as it now exists. The only hope is to open the door to a third party, and to try to draw off democratic support with libertarian type social concessions. So far the 'financial concessions' have damaged the republican soul. What conservative among us looks at GWB's medicare part D, TARP and other boondoggles and thinks - standard-beared of conservatism?? What conservative looks at Romneycare and thinks the same? McCain - hah! You know in heart that I am right. But of course, if Romney wins, then perhaps there is yet hope for the current fractious republican coalition. bottom line, vote romney tomorrow, but if we lose, start looking at getting gary johnson that 15% popular support he needs to appear in the next debate....

Posted by: roald Dahl Paul at November 05, 2012 11:11 PM (Kd6lF)

378 "Here's the thing: in this country, we abide by the results of a free and fair election. If we win, we gloat and savor the tears of our opponents and the lamentations of their women. If we lose, weendure and somehow muddle through. In four years, we vote again. That's how it works. Not perfect, but the best around--and it's certainly better than shooting each other."

You disagree, then, with Republicans who believe this is the epochal election of a lifetime that cannot be reversed?

We've been willing to cooperate peaceably when the WRITTEN contract has been respected. If not, not.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 05, 2012 11:25 PM (D9ZkV)

379 "Some third-party-voting purists remind me of guys who reject any relationship with a real-world actual woman because their expectations/requirements correspond to Playboy/ porn star fantasies. (Or the equivalent analogy for women dreaming of the perfect Prince Charming.)"

And some Mittbots remind me of a fat shrew. "YOU CHOSE ME, remember? You PROMISED. YOU'RE the liar! YOU'RE the one who's sick!"

Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 05, 2012 11:28 PM (D9ZkV)

380 Chris

America faces the tipping point, and this election will decide whether America has truly abandoned fiscal sanity and conservation of the constitution. If we lose under the present conditions, Obama (as McCain, GWB and others would have) will enact immigration reform, voting laws and install SCOTUS members that will be the death knell of the Republican party. For the party, but NOT for conservatism.

The loss would not indicate a lack of conservative constituency, but a fundamental disorganization of same. Bill Whittle adduces the fact that there is a preponderance of self-described conservatives in the US. What he does not specify is the varying subtypes of conservatives. Many of these self-described conservatives believe in gay marriage, abortion, getting out of Afghanistan, removing army outposts from all but the most strategically important foreign lands etcetera. These voters are lost when Obama plays the abortion card, the DADT card, the Iraq war card and other like scare tactics. They are also lost when the republican pick is a wall street man, and they feel TARP was a payout to wall street. So is the coalition of religious-based statism with financial libertarianism a viable long-term option? Or are we more likely to craft a majority by weaving together the socially liberal, fiscally conservative parts of the democratic party with the like elements of the republican party? I don't claim to know the answer. But I do know that by playing this game every time of saying 'this is the most important election of our lifetime' and we 'must vote for the lesser of two evils', we have led ourselves to a quandary in which we have no way out should we lose this year. The only way to learn the answer is by pulling the level for a 3rd party so that they can be involved in the debates, be on the ballots in all 50 states, be eligible for funding and actually get a different message out to voters that could potentially have a snowflakes chance of hell of becoming reality down the line. Let Democrats be the party of the welfare state, Republicans be the party of the Religious state, and let the 3rd party be that of the Hayekian state. My hunch is that the 3rd party wins by giving voice to a voiceless middle, siphoning off democrats who are held under duress every 4 years by their party saying - let us do whatever the hell we want or the republicans will repeal Roe V Wade!! Or Republicans who are sick of being told - come on, vote for GWB or McCain or Romney and take their fiscal sanity on faith, or else you're left with Bronco Bama!

You call it obsession with purity, but I'm less interested in purity than what is the practical long term voice of conservatism. Is it really the Republican party? If someone has demographic or psephologic data that might easily and conclusively answer this question I haven't seen it and I would appreciate a link if you've got it. My guess is 2008 would have been the better year to throw in for a 3rd party, but it'll have to happen eventually, or else the next republican president will be the one inheriting a nation in default and mutilated beyond recognition.

This year, let's pull the lever for Romney and find out if Republicans really can show up in force to replace a haughty, pseudo-intellectual, serial dissembler and distorter of facts, dogmatic socialist and classist with no real credentials besides alma mater names before he leaves the country FUBAR.

Godspeed morons.


Posted by: roald Dahl Paul at November 06, 2012 12:39 AM (Kd6lF)

381 Oh, thanks Monty. I'm so glad to have the "much purer than thou" reasons to vote for Obama--because that Romney is No Friend to Conservatives. So, vote for Obama to Teach them A Lesson.

Thanks.

Please don't post at AoSHQ any more. Thank you for your contributions, but if your last act is "It's okay to not vote for Romney because you are way too pure to vote for anything less than [fantasy candidate], then don't!" Well...good luck to you.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 06, 2012 12:44 AM (i0App)

382 I was not going to vote for Romney until the Benghazi debacle happened, for the reasons stated in this piece. After that, I knew we could simply not let Obama remain in office.

Romney is a statist. Romney thinks government is the solution to problems and not the cause of them. However, I believe Romney loves this country and would do his best to keep us safe and strong. Obama neither loves this country nor is willing to keep us safe and strong.

I'm voting for Romney for the sake of this country, not because I think he's a good candidate, because he isn't.

Posted by: cranky-d at November 06, 2012 01:10 AM (GR8Ie)

383 You disagree, then, with Republicans who believe this is the epochal election of a lifetime that cannot be reversed? We've been willing to cooperate peaceably when the WRITTEN contract has been respected. If not, not.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 05, 2012 11:25 PM (D9ZkV)

I agree this is an important election. However, that doesn't mean I grab my SKS and join the local militia if the election doesn't go our way. And what's this 'we' shit, anyway, as in, 'We've been willing to cooperate peacefully...'? Mouse in your pocket or have you and a few of your ITG buddies been sitting around, thinking all those thousands of hours devoted to first-person shooter video games have prepared you for Le Resistance? Grow the hell up.

Posted by: troyriser at November 06, 2012 10:01 AM (vtiE6)

384 "If Romney loses this election, then the Republican party as we know it is dead."

roald Dahl Paul, I expect that if Romney can't win a "sure thing" election like this, the elite stratum we have in the Republican party may well be dead. If not dead in this election, then dead shortly.

My hope is that these elites decide that they have to select someone who is reasonably economically conservative (I won't bother to define this--we both know that we will not get an ideal conservative, given the median voter).

I don't know how many times I've read some version of "I'll vote for X this time, but if he stabs me in the back, I won't vote next time." But next time never seems to come.

Anyway, thanks for your polite and thoughtful comment.

Posted by: skzion at November 06, 2012 12:22 PM (FG/pH)

385 roald Dahl Paul, I expect that if Romney can't win a "sure thing" election like this, the elite stratum we have in the Republican party may well be dead.
Posted by: skzion at November 06, 2012 12:22 PM (FG/pH)

A 'sure thing'? We're taking on an incumbent with a billion-dollar war chest and the full support of the MSM, with a ground game fueled by unions, monied special interests, and scores of urban political machines. And your response to all this? Advocating non-participation.

Yeah, sitting in front of your computer screen and congratulating yourself on the purity of your convictions, that'll do it.

Posted by: troyriser at November 06, 2012 12:34 PM (vtiE6)

386 "And what's this 'we' shit, anyway, as in, 'We've been willing to cooperate peacefully...'? "

You used it first replying to me.

"Here's the thing: in this country, we abide by the results of a free and fair election. If we win, we gloat and savor the tears of our opponents and the lamentations of their women. If we lose, weendure and somehow muddle through. In four years, we vote again. That's how it works."

If you mean "you lot" instead of "us" then don't say "we".

"Grow the hell up."

Maybe you hadn't noticed but about 20 million people have made federal enforcement of immigration law, political taboo, by simple noncompliance. That's the standard for a successful revolt against the federal government in 2012. No SKS required. I take it you wanted me to be more realistic. You try it.

"Yeah, sitting in front of your computer screen and congratulating yourself on the purity of your convictions, that'll do it."

When you gather roses on dunghills, you've got to keep your sense of smell.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at November 06, 2012 01:49 PM (3GtyG)






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