Who Makes The Rules Wins The Game: Next Item for 2016 Election? Tapping A Vote-Rich Well For Democrats-- Felons

In this election and the past couple, we've seen Democrats argue cynically that we mustn't take even the most ordinary measures to make sure that voters are legal voters, because of contrived claims that the simple act of asking for ID is something akin to a lynching.

We are forever told that the "most vulnerable" people in our society -- a rather racist implication by the left; they tend to mean minorities -- simply cannot procure photo ID. Even though every state offers just such an ID for like $10. It's called either a county card or ABC card (Alcohol Bureau of Control). The point of it is so that people who don't have drivers license can prove who they are with a photo ID. Like, if they still want to buy alcohol.

It is true that such steps "burden" people by asking them to perform one bureaucratic step.

It is, however, true that without such steps, voting is on the honor system.

And political operatives, union stooges, and others do not have honor.

It's come to this: Those who are simply attempting to have non-eligible voters struck from the rolls -- so that they can't commit fraud -- are being attacked as racists.

The tea party group "insists that voter fraud is a pervasive problem and has taken it upon itself to employ questionable, and possibly illegal, methods to combat the 'problem'. These methods have turned up no fraud and have posed a serious threat of intimidation of entirely eligible voters," the senators said in a letter today to Husted.

"Working through an affiliated group, the Ohio Voter Integrity Project, True the Vote has challenged hundreds of voters in Hamilton (380 challenges) and Franklin (308 challenges) counties. The overwhelming majority of these challenges were rejected, but not before the voters involved were frightened by the prospect of being denied the opportunity to vote."

...

How were people "frightened"? They're frightened by standard bureaucratic processes? Why are these people "frightened" by such anodyne things?

And True the Vote seemed to have some good reasons for questioning these voters:

Last month, the Franklin County Board of Elections voted 3-0 to reject a Voter Integrity Project request to remove 308 people from the county’s list of registered voters for reasons as varied as providing incomplete address information, being registered at a vacant lot, or being dead.

Were the people who were dead frightened at the thought of losing their non-right to vote absentee from the Astral Plane?

So, you betcha, between asking someone to once go down to his local department of records and spend 40 minutes or less to procure a county card, or to leave elections to the whims of the Pat Morans of the world -- son of a Democratic Congressmen and filed director of his campaign, willing to take part in a massive vote fraud scheme -- I'm afraid I'll just have to go ahead and suggest people set aside $10 and forty minutes.

Thusfar the left has fought this battle into something of a tie, despite having no leg to stand on, and being perilously close to simply stating, flat out, that illegal aliens should be allowed to vote, or that zealous Democratic partisans should be allowed to vote in the names of the dead or comatose.

But they're not resting on that dubious laurel. They're eyeing up a big pool of natural Democratic voters who typically do not vote.

They're looking to return voting rights to all felons and prisoners.

It’s 4:00 pm, Friday, Oct. 12, one hour until the end of the last full week of voter registration in Virginia. If your voter registration application isn’t submitted to the board of elections by close of business on Monday, you won’t be able to vote this November.

For two years, Florida’s Tea Party Republicans have been working to undo the huge turnout of black voters on the Sunday before Election Day. It didn’t work.

Lukita James, 38, sits in the Henrico Public Library filling out an application much longer than a simple voter registration form. Her 5-year-old son sits quietly beside her, hands folded as Lillie Branch Kennedy and Cathy Woodson assist her with applying to restore her right to vote. James marks down “grand larceny” in the area that asks what felony she was convicted of, the crime that divorced her from her voting franchise.

Virginia is one of four states this year that permanently disenfranchises anyone with a felony conviction, a right only regained by appealing directly to the governor. James is one of 450,000 people disenfranchised under the felony statute, 350,000 of whom are not in jail but in society—242,000 of whom are African Americans.

Although they always couch their arguments in terms of "fairness" and "burdens on the most vulnerable," their actual agenda is to simply permit anyone to vote, whether a noncitizen, a felon, or dead.

For a party that's essentially run on an anti-rape platform this cycle -- as if Republicans disagree -- they sure are eager to return voting rights to rapists.


Posted by: Ace at 05:37 PM



Comments

1 Restore the poll tax. $10,000 per person if they want to vote.

Posted by: Truman North, 315-223 at November 05, 2012 05:38 PM (I2LwF)

2 First, remove Boehner from the leadership and replace him with Trey Gowdy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2012 05:39 PM (XkWWK)

3 Libs are predicting 300 EV for Romney. I have no idea how things will ultimately go but that number seems totally off kilter to me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 05, 2012 05:39 PM (jkDqy)

4 They are allowing those who were found not guilty due to insanity and confied to a psych hospital to vote.

They allowed some asshole who kidnapped a 4 year old boy, raped and killed him, and saved a piece of the boy's skull as a souvenir to vote.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 05, 2012 05:39 PM (C4dFv)

5 We've heard a lot about rapists.

Democrats want to give convicted rapists the vote.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 05, 2012 05:39 PM (T0NGe)

6 $10,000 per person if they want to vote.

Payable by credit card into a system with security checks turned on and you've got a deal ...

Posted by: Adriane at November 05, 2012 05:39 PM (/OhbZ)

7 I say, you can only vote if you file and pay a federal income tax.

Either that or an intelligence test. I always use this to throw in libs faces. "Well, if we had an intelligence test, Bush would never have been elected!"

They grow dead silent. Can't decide if I'm right or if it's racist!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2012 05:40 PM (XkWWK)

8
Criminals are a core Democrat constituency.

Posted by: pennypacker at November 05, 2012 05:40 PM (x9s9/)

9 That's not so. Democrats agree that soldiers should never be allowed to vote.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 05, 2012 05:41 PM (z1N6a)

10 What if you just under pay your Dominican hookers?

Posted by: USA at November 05, 2012 05:41 PM (RIg+t)

11 Well, they don't want to allow "anyone" to vote. They don't seem to be especially concerned if the military overseas gets their ballots or anything.

Posted by: Coldstream at November 05, 2012 05:41 PM (qrCKL)

12 5 We've heard a lot about rapists.

Democrats want to give convicted rapists the vote.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 05, 2012 05:39 PM (T0NGe)

Well, an accused rapist was president for 8 years...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2012 05:41 PM (XkWWK)

13 Let me get this straight: poor people/minorities can't be expected to scrape together ten bucks for an idea, but we'll mandate by law that they pay thousand of dollars per year for boutique health insurance?

Posted by: Kensington at November 05, 2012 05:41 PM (Z7toi)

14 Holy shit, tomorrow, get here already.

Posted by: Texas Ranger at November 05, 2012 05:42 PM (IvvrO)

15 [Hey, look at that. I just disenfranchised palooka's comment. How Republican of me.]

Posted by: palooka at November 05, 2012 05:42 PM (HqEa9)

16 There's one or two states where you can vote from prison. Vermont is one of them, I think. And NO ID voting, like they have in NC, where the guy just bragged on FB that he had voted 4 times basicly allows you to vote under as many names as you can think up.

Posted by: Up with people at November 05, 2012 05:43 PM (kzFo5)

17 Right, because the hobo under the bridge heckling me yesterday is a concerned voter. I'm headed the other way, show me your property deed if you want to vote.

Posted by: dogfish at November 05, 2012 05:43 PM (N2yhW)

18 If you're policy is so unfavorable that the only way you can get it through is by courting the rapist vote, then perhaps you should reexamine your position.

Posted by: taylork at November 05, 2012 05:43 PM (ppNDn)

19 Mumia deserves to have his voice heard.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (QKKT0)

20 Tightening election laws should be a priority of all GOP pols.

A Romney victory will not erase the GOP tendency to the stoopid nor the country clubbers noodle spines. The TEA party needs have a hand on the back of their coats and a boot at the ready.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (jo069)

21 "their actual agenda is to simply permit anyone to vote, whether a noncitizen, a felon, or dead."

So long as they vote Democrat. Seriously, does anyone know how to get italics to work on this damn thing?

Posted by: JollyRoger at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (t06LC)

22 7 I say, you can only vote if you file and paya federal income tax.

Or land owner/property tax payer. If you don't have skin in the game......

Posted by: rickb223 at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (d0Dmj)

23

Bring out your dead!!!

Posted by: Democrat GOTV at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (sWycd)

24 The dead NEED to vote to protect their heirs!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (Cnqmv)

25 The left would be a lot more confident if they could just secure that coveted convicted pedo vote.....

Posted by: tdpwells at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (9rh4r)

26 If I hear the word "fair" one more time, I believe I'll puke

Posted by: DaveinMinnesota at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (nOLbs)

27 Speaking of NC, what is up with that place lately? Is that now hippyville east?

Posted by: dogfish at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (N2yhW)

28 Is Bill Clinton a felon? A quick search shows maybe he is yet, never convicted.


Posted by: sTevo at November 05, 2012 05:45 PM (VMcEw)

29 Note to file: If you cherish your voting franchise, think twice before you lay that ball peen hammer down on the dude you're rolling for crack money.

Posted by: kallisto at November 05, 2012 05:45 PM (jm/9g)

30 Posted by: Tommy TitTwister at November 05, 2012 05:41 PM (XoyFB)

DO YOUR JOB & BAN THE FUCKTARD !

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 05:46 PM (ck76k)

31 Hell, North Philly is chock full of felons - I know, I arrest them - and I know for a fact many of them vote. The entire purpose of having them not vote is because they've been convicted of a serious crime; and if they have no problem stabbing someone in the penis, then they'll have no problem committing voter fraud.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 05, 2012 05:46 PM (gA69l)

32 Voter ID was passed in MS in 2011 but is still not in effect thanks to Eric 'Sucker of Cock' Holder for this election.

As to felon voting laws, I grabbed this wiki.answer quote because my IL friend was complaining about this very topic today:

Yes, a convicted felon can vote in Illinois upon release from prison. In fact, convicted felons can vote in all but 13 states. Some states (not including Illinois) have restrictions regarding the ex-felon's status (e.g., parole, probation, etc.).

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 05, 2012 05:46 PM (ccXZP)

33 19
Mumia deserves to have his voice heard.

A loud scream as the needle delivering the dirt nap will suffice.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 05, 2012 05:46 PM (d0Dmj)

34 OT: Pretty pathetic to see how youtube catering to the Obama campaign by slamming the home page with "featured videos" by celebrities imploring folks to vote for the SCOAMF.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 05, 2012 05:46 PM (9eDbm)

35 Just looked it up, Vermont you can vote from prison, even if housed in a prison in another state.

Posted by: Up with people at November 05, 2012 05:46 PM (kzFo5)

36 Here is a link to a funny picture busting on MSNBC

http://tinypic.com/r/316lzt2/6

Please share

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 05, 2012 05:47 PM (sRIFP)

37 Ace, how dare you disenfranchise dead voters? They live here too, you know. And pay taxes.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 05, 2012 05:47 PM (a0nis)

38 Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson
Obama just referred to Sandy as one of the worst storms of our lifetime...which is why he's playing basketball tomorrow.

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 05:47 PM (ck76k)

39 19 Mumia deserves to have his voice heard.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (QKKT0)


I will gladly remove his vocal chords with Kalid Sheik Mohammed's rusty hacksaw and pluck them on Springsteen's Telecaster.

Should make a hell of a sound, eh?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2012 05:47 PM (XkWWK)

40 I apologize for the very poorly constructed sentence.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 05, 2012 05:47 PM (9eDbm)

41 What the fuck is personal responsibility again?

Posted by: Democrat Motto at November 05, 2012 05:47 PM (/YJYi)

42 26 If I hear the word "fair" one more time, I believe I'll puke
Posted by: DaveinMinnesota at November 05, 2012 05:44 PM (nOLbs)



"Hey Farva...."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (GEICT)

43 So will the Ft. Hood shooter be allowed to vote as a prisoner, or did Panetta lose his ballot?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (UU0OF)

44 Here is a link to a funny picture busting on the Obama campaign

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4r8htl&s=6

Please share

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (sRIFP)

45 The pain of not having a say in our country's future is unbearable. And that on top of the fact that we're orphans.

Posted by: The Menendez Brothers at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (QKKT0)

46 not all felons are democrats .
im a felon (not a rapist) and I live in oregon so I can vote and I have never voted democrat .
I am a property owner and I havent been in trouble for 30 years
dont hate me

Posted by: aleccalson at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (usWYv)

47 The Dems are all about Rights and Privileges, any responsibilities associated with them, not so much

Posted by: I'm the honey Badger, BITCH! at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (U3CzV)

48 What's next? The zombie vote? I can see zombie herds overrunning the polling stations.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (C4dFv)

49 The most vulnerable should also have to waste hald a day at the DMV and see how great bureaucracy is.

Seriously, if you're not willing to take half a day of your time to ensure that your BIRTHRIGHT as an American citizen is upheld, then you don't deserve to vote.

Posted by: taylork at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (ppNDn)

50
former Richmond City Councilman Sa’ad El-Amin, 72, is arguing that the felony disenfranchisement law is unconstitutional.

El-Amin, who was convicted of felony tax evasion in 2003 and served three years in prison, is hanging his own right to vote on his lawsuit, which he says shows that the disenfranchisement law is an offspring of early Black Codes laws rooted in white supremacist intentions.




What is that in the corner of my eye? Why, I do believe it is a tear....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (kdS6q)

51 Here is a link to a graphic with a twist on Obama's "Forward" logo redone for Benghazi. Please share, post, e-mail, Tweet, Facebook.

http://tinypic.com/r/10fwg2t/6

Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (sRIFP)

52 Is it the astral or ethereal plane ? Somebody open up the old school copy of Deities and Demigods .I think the DMG had a random encounter section for voting in corrupt cities and towns . Was it next to the random prostitute section ?

Posted by: DrDrill at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (sOFZs)

53 Tonight doing ritual refrigerator cleaning. Whereby the fridge represents 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and all the expired, old, moldy and decaying stuff inside gets pitched. That one lemon that has ossified can stand for V-Jar.

Posted by: kallisto at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (jm/9g)

54 I've always like the way "Full Citizenship" and "Resident Citizenship" was set up in Starship Troopers.

Posted by: Paladin at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (WujO7)

55 The only way to look good in a photo is to be wearing some gold, probably a wig, next to a hooker holding a wad of ones & a bag of cocaine. If I can't pose like that, then I don't need to vote that bad.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at November 05, 2012 05:49 PM (3wYCm)

56 What's next? The zombie vote?

---

It's my understanding that Necro-Americans already vote 100% Democrat.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at November 05, 2012 05:50 PM (WMsq+)

57 43 So will the Ft. Hood shooter be allowed to vote as a prisoner, or did Panetta lose his ballot?
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (UU0OF)


He was a Soldier of Islam so he gets like, what, 1,000 ballots?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 05, 2012 05:50 PM (XkWWK)

58 A gut-wrenching thought... what if that court order to delay PA's voter ID laws is the difference maker? ugh!

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 05, 2012 05:50 PM (UypUQ)

59 Why write the governor? Write the President. He's got a pardon list a mile long that he'll be robo-signing for the next three months.

Posted by: t-bird at November 05, 2012 05:50 PM (FcR7P)

60 I'm all for "I voted" tattoos. Everyone gets one for every time they vote. You could wear them as a mark of pride.

Or just use the dye like they do in Iraq FFS.

Posted by: supercore23 at November 05, 2012 05:50 PM (bwV72)

61 So, let me see if I have this right: Each and every effort to make sure that only legally eligible voters vote and the law is followed is now RACIST!!!11!!!!!Eleventy!!!11!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, with laptop dead at November 05, 2012 05:51 PM (lOmbq)

62 I can't wait for this election to be over. Until then, I'm staying away from facebook. If I see one more "vote your lady parts" post I'm going to hurl.

Posted by: not the mama at November 05, 2012 05:51 PM (kzCIn)

63 Posted by: Serious Cat at November 05, 2012 05:50 PM (UypUQ)
__
The Senate majority leader in PA introduced a plan to allocate EVs by congressional district. This would have been the clincher moreso than even Voter ID. But for some reason the plan died on the vine, from what I understand there was even opposition from Republicans.

Posted by: kallisto at November 05, 2012 05:51 PM (jm/9g)

64 and if they have no problem stabbing someone in the penis, then they'll have no problem committing voter fraud.

I may be the exception to that rule.

(Y'all are fine, don't worry.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 05, 2012 05:52 PM (ZKzrr)

65 Or just use the dye like they do in Iraq FFS.

Posted by: supercore23 at November 05, 2012 05:50 PM (bwV72)

Oftentimes, simple solutions are best!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 05, 2012 05:52 PM (Cnqmv)

66
Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell’s administration has approved 90 percent of the rights restoration forms it’s received from those with non-violent felony convictions, and 80 percent of those with violent felony convictions. He is on course to restore the voting rights of more felons than any governor before him,





Republicans: Just not very good at this whole "politics" thing.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 05, 2012 05:52 PM (kdS6q)

67 It's simple really. You register to vote by giving your name. Your name is then placed on the voter rolls. To vote under that name, you should verify that it is indeed yours. Not that complicated.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 05:52 PM (P6QsQ)

68 It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
Joseph Stalin

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 05, 2012 05:52 PM (aSf5o)

69 I need ID to buy fucking cold medicine at Walgreens. Where are these bleeding heart douchbags claiming that that policy disenfranchises cold sufferers from getting sudafed?

Posted by: scofflawx at November 05, 2012 05:52 PM (N1Rjx)

70 I'll be back in a bit.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 05, 2012 05:52 PM (aSf5o)

71 over at the NRO Corner


Is This What Christie Wanted?
By Katrina Trinko

Chris Christie’s behavior in the light of Hurricane Sandy — lavishly praising President Obama and touring Jersey with him (while not appearing with Mitt Romney) — has been perplexing. But according to the Associated Press, Christie has gotten one perk from his actions:

Speaking Monday at a briefing on storm recovery. Gov. Chris Christie revealed he unexpectedly spoke with Bruce Springsteen earlier in the day. Christie had been discussing storm-related matters with President Barack Obama when Obama handed the phone to Springsteen, who was traveling with him as part of a campaign trip.

. . .

Christie says he wept at home after meeting his idol, calling it a major highlight during a tough week.




is he having a breakdown?

Posted by: 1 day at November 05, 2012 05:53 PM (LpQbZ)

72 Gary Johnson predicting an Obama win

what a choad.

Posted by: JDP at November 05, 2012 05:53 PM (60GaT)

73
What they really want is way beyond that, remember some state in the northeast was allowing hispanics to vote 8 times per a judges order in local elections?

Of course, one step further is the final true goal, no elections, just permanent commie control for life.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 05, 2012 05:53 PM (PHb2k)

74 I'd like to be sure that college students aren't voting twice - absentee ballot mailed to their parents' home and then again using their dorm address.
Also, what about people who own multiple homes - what's in place to prevent them from voting in both states?
I'm assuming Dems have fought inter-state voter roll checks, too?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 05, 2012 05:53 PM (78+Nf)

75 Where are these bleeding heart douchbags claiming that that policy disenfranchises cold sufferers from getting sudafed?

"You don't have a Constitutional right not to suffer sinus pain."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 05, 2012 05:54 PM (ZKzrr)

76 Ace is correct in his assessment: They have no honor. They are slime. They are bacteria, they are pestilance, they are dog puke, they are scum, so of course they are Democrats.

Posted by: maddogg at November 05, 2012 05:55 PM (OlN4e)

77 Fuck Gary Johnson with a rusty chainsaw.

But first he will blow me.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at November 05, 2012 05:55 PM (WMsq+)

78 >>> 72 Gary Johnson predicting an Obama win.

FUCK Gary Johnson, that attention-seeking doucherag. Gawd, I'm sick of these ridiculous third party assholes and their vanity campaigns.

Posted by: Punahou Death Stare at November 05, 2012 05:55 PM (sTS/8)

79 For my entire lifetime of some 40 years, repubs have whined and complained about vote fraud.

Fuck, even before my time everyone knew Daly won the presidency for Kennedy.

Currently only 4 states require photo ID.

Texas is not even one of them.

Why?

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at November 05, 2012 05:56 PM (tkbF8)

80 This makes me smile.
http://is.gd/AI9K4X

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 05, 2012 05:56 PM (ZKzrr)

81 77
Fuck Gary Johnson with a rusty chainsaw.



Michael Douchebag Smerconish is a big fan, and derided the GOP for not giving him the nomination.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 05, 2012 05:56 PM (Agn5J)

82 I suppose it makes sense, Johnson is in sync with Obama rather than Romney on gheys and choom.

Posted by: JDP at November 05, 2012 05:57 PM (60GaT)

83 What's "frightening" was GOO-GLE scrubbing all news reports of buses filled from NY and NJ voting in Philly. Voter ID is the Dem's enemy and google is their friend.

Posted by: Deli LLama at November 05, 2012 05:57 PM (lGu1O)

84 FUCK Gary Johnson, that attention-seeking doucherag.
Gawd, I'm sick of these ridiculous third party assholes and their
vanity campaigns.


Posted by: Punahou Death Stare at November 05, 2012 05:55 PM (sTS/

------------
I saw something from him on Twitter yesterday about "cast you vote with honor! Be part of the 5%!"
I tweeted him back. I wasn't very kind.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 05:57 PM (P6QsQ)

85 69
I need ID to buy fucking cold medicine at Walgreens. Where are these
bleeding heart douchbags claiming that that policy disenfranchises cold
sufferers from getting sudafed?

That's because you will go buy cold meds. Most that don't have ID, would by a rock of crack.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 05, 2012 05:57 PM (d0Dmj)

86 Michael Douchebag Smerconish is a big fan, and derided the GOP for not giving him the nomination.

---

That name means nothing to me, but fuck him with that very same rusty chainsaw anyway.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at November 05, 2012 05:57 PM (WMsq+)

87 83
What's "frightening" was GOO-GLE scrubbing all news reports of buses
filled from NY and NJ voting in Philly. Voter ID is the Dem's enemy and
google is their friend.



Also, Black Panthers.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 05, 2012 05:57 PM (Agn5J)

88 Posted by: aleccalson at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (usWYv)

That's good to hear, on many levels. However, I still think that voting rights for felons should be left to each state to decide.

No, I don't hate on you.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 05, 2012 05:58 PM (ccXZP)

89 good to know thanks

Posted by: alec at November 05, 2012 05:58 PM (usWYv)

90 Currently only 4 states require photo ID.

Texas is not even one of them.

Why?

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Well I can tell you why here in Wisconsin. It's because when we passed it, a lefty judge in Madison put an injunction on it. It's what they do.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 05:59 PM (P6QsQ)

91 At the end of the day, they don't give a shit who votes, its who wins that they care about. The ends justify the means with these bastards.

Posted by: DanInMN at November 05, 2012 05:59 PM (XqeyF)

92 90
Currently only 4 states require photo ID.

Texas is not even one of them.

Why?
---------------

Well
I can tell you why here in Wisconsin. It's because when we passed it, a
lefty judge in Madison put an injunction on it. It's what they do.


Texas? Wetbacks.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 05, 2012 06:00 PM (d0Dmj)

93 Next up, charging for the gasoline to get to the polls is a poll tax.

Posted by: Up with people at November 05, 2012 06:00 PM (kzFo5)

94 Oklahoma requires a photo ID. You can cast a provisional ballot that will be counted if your signature matches the one you registered with in the first place. People were really enjoying showing their IDs.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 05, 2012 06:00 PM (kXoT0)

95 I've always thought felons and prisoners should have the right to vote -- it reduces the incentive of government to over-incarcerate its people.

And no nation this side of North Korea does that more than America.

And often for crimes that shouldn't be crimes at all -- personal choices like whether to smoke or trade in a certain plant or plant byproduct, or pay someone for sex, which is totally legal otherwise.

Whether these are good practises or not, they are not directly harming non-consenting victims. They are people making their own choices.

Further, you have a situation where there is a for-real political prisoner in this country, gone after by the Obama administration.

But, fundamentally, if you take away someone's right to even vote for their leaders and laws, I also think you take away any ethical obligation they have to follow those laws and obey society.

They should do the right thing, whatever that might be, for its own sake. But they are under no further ethical obligation to obey the law as such, as they've been disenfranchised.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 06:01 PM (SKX2R)

96 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2012 06:01 PM (9XBK2)

97 Play fair, wingnutz. But I ain't playin' now, we're talkin' graft and politickin' here.

Posted by: BHO-Z, Crooner-in-Cheef at November 05, 2012 06:01 PM (rzTDZ)

98 I've had this huge pimple on my forehead for about a week now. It's deep and it wont go away or come to the surface. Really embarrassing. Hoping tomorrow that the festering pus will be gone once and for all.

Posted by: California Red at November 05, 2012 06:01 PM (Ho3p+)

99 Holy crap. Dems on intrade/etc still confident for O. There are going to be a lot of shocked people tomorrow night. Better be them! ;-)

Here in MN we're voting on ID laws. Crosses fingers.

Go vote, morons!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 05, 2012 06:02 PM (X/+QT)

100 I live in Washington state, where we get our ballots by mail. In September I moved from King county to Snohomish county and updated my votor registration when I changed my address on my driver's license. Guess who ended up getting two ballots.. one from each county (the one sent to my old King county address was forwarded to my new address).

Yeah, voter fraud is only going to get worse.

Posted by: not the mama at November 05, 2012 06:02 PM (kzCIn)

101 Called my sister in PA. She's voting!, and she's voting for Romney.

She's not real clear on why, she just knows she doesn't like Obama. Had no idea what Benghazi was.

Posted by: t-bird at November 05, 2012 06:02 PM (FcR7P)

102 “If Pennsylvania is in play, then this is all over for the president,” [ Andrea ] Mitchell said.

Wa-wa.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 05, 2012 06:02 PM (jo069)

103 Well I can tell you why here in Wisconsin. It's
because when we passed it, a lefty judge in Madison put an injunction on
it. It's what they do.


Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012


My point is/was, that no one seems to want to take this before the SCOTUS.
If repubs were actually serious about this, why not run on it?
I think that most repubs pay lip service to it, but could care less because they are nice and safe in their entrenched district.

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at November 05, 2012 06:02 PM (tkbF8)

104 A lot of states tried to get Voter ID in the past few years, Holder went after all of them that were still required to play nice under that 1960s bill.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 05, 2012 06:03 PM (kXoT0)

105 Private citizens here in Wisconsin put up billboards which simply stated "Voter Fraud is a Felony."

The lefties went nuts and threatened lawsuits. OPPRESSION! DISENFRANCHISEMENT! RACISSSTTT!



They were taken down.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 06:03 PM (P6QsQ)

106 >>> 84 I saw something from him on Twitter yesterday about "cast you vote with honor! Be part of the 5%!"

One of the reasons I can't read Reason (mag or website) during campaign years -- their ridiculously fatuous and self-serving articles about voting third party (i.e., Libertarian) as a matter of "integrity" blah, blah, blah. Whereas I often agree with much of what they espouse, when it comes to elections they eschew practicality and pragmatism for a sheer dogmatism I just can't get behind.

Posted by: Punahou Death Stare at November 05, 2012 06:03 PM (sTS/8)

107 My Camaro got stolen and I had to show i.d.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 05, 2012 06:03 PM (y2Ojs)

108 Ha! did not know this: Nate Silver gave Sharon Angle a 75% chance of winning in '10.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 05, 2012 06:03 PM (PHb2k)

109
..."For a party that's essentially run on an anti-rape platform this cycle -- as if Republicans disagree -- they sure are eager to return voting rights to rapists."

Excellent point, Ace.

I guess...."Voting is the best Revenge"....for rapists and other criminals.

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2012 06:03 PM (ICEh3)

110 Assisting in or committing vote fraud should carry capital punishment.

Shoot them. And their goddamned dogs too.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 05, 2012 06:03 PM (jZn+7)

111 "Voter Fraud is a Felony."

...and people think you should still be able to vote once you're convicted of it. Hrm.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 05, 2012 06:04 PM (ZKzrr)

112 http://tinyurl.com/ccqbcem



Prediction! Dick Morris TV: Special Election Alert!

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 06:04 PM (ck76k)

113 that policy disenfranchises cold sufferers from getting sudafed?

That's another absurdity. Who has the time and energy to run all over town scribbling phony signatures? Tweakers. Who has time to do a phoney .gov job checking signature cards in. Democrat Tweakers.

Posted by: DaveA at November 05, 2012 06:04 PM (MOWP1)

114 FUCK Gary Johnson, that attention-seeking doucherag. Gawd, I'm sick of these ridiculous third party assholes and their vanity campaigns.

Posted by: Punahou Death Stare at November 05, 2012 05:55 PM (sTS/


Here in Colorado, Roseanne Barr is a choice. She's running with Cindy Sheehan.

I haven't seen Rasmussen or anybody factoring how much that will sway the vote, though.

Posted by: Alexis Doucherod at November 05, 2012 06:04 PM (Qxe/p)

115 Were the people who were dead frightened at the thought of losing their non-right to vote absentee from the Astral Plane?
==========
I thought frightening the dead was Helen Thomas' job?

Posted by: edj at November 05, 2012 06:05 PM (+QKfp)

116 I'd cast my ballot faster then bubba did me when I dropped that bar of soap last night.

Posted by: Jerry Sandusky Inmate at November 05, 2012 06:05 PM (feFL6)

117 Last month, the Franklin County Board of Elections voted 3-0 to reject a
Voter Integrity Project request to remove 308 people from the county’s
list of registered voters for reasons as varied as providing incomplete
address information, being registered at a vacant lot, or being dead.



How the actual fuck can a Board of Elections legally refuse to remove the dead from the voter roles? Shouldn't that be immediate grounds for disqualification from the Board since it is point blank refusing to do the most basic of all jobs, namely ensuring that the electoral roles are accurate?


It's things such as this that will lead to the anarchy of the middle class.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at November 05, 2012 06:05 PM (Gk3SS)

118 Posted by: mediumheadboy at November 05, 2012 05:57 PM (WMsq+)
__
smerconish used to be conservative, he served in the first Bush admin. He had a successful radio show in Philly, he wrote an anti-Mumia book and crossed swords with all the leftys who supported the cop-killer. Then fame and fortune called. He started appearing on CNN and caught the "kewl kidz" bug. He now is a self-identified independent moderate and painfully selfconsciously straddles the fence. And his brother-in-law is a crack addict, I really do hope for the family's sake that he is in recovery.

Posted by: kallisto at November 05, 2012 06:05 PM (jm/9g)

119 fundamentally, if you take away someone's right to even vote for their
leaders and laws, I also think you take away any ethical obligation they
have to follow those laws and obey society.




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oh for the love of pete.



Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 06:05 PM (P6QsQ)

120 So the same people that figure out how to get free phones, free health care, free food, free college education, free ad-f-ing nauseum you-name-it, are burdened by showing a photo id to vote. Go jump in a f-ing lake of bubbling lava.

Posted by: rockhead at November 05, 2012 06:05 PM (jtTKf)

121 >>>Here in Colorado, Roseanne Barr is a choice. She's running with Cindy Sheehan.

Which I can't quite figure out in that I don't think they are on speaking terms. Sheehan, on her blog, accused Barr of ripping off a friend of hers.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 05, 2012 06:06 PM (C4dFv)

122
In fairness, I don't believe a felon who has done their time and gotten out should lose their right to vote. Nor the right to bear arms. (Current inmates, yes. Those who have been released, no.) A right is a right, or it isn't. (We wouldn't debate taking away their First Amendment rights, would we?)
That said, the twisting of protecting the integrity of the vote and mandating such basic civic procedures as procuring an ID into a racist plot is nothing more than craven political thuggery, i.e. The Democrat party on any given day.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 05, 2012 06:06 PM (B/X72)

123 Here in Colorado, Roseanne Barr is a choice. She's running with Cindy Sheehan.

They're on the ballot down here, too. Running under the Bint Party, IIRC.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, with laptop dead at November 05, 2012 06:06 PM (lOmbq)

124 Did someone say tap that?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 05, 2012 06:07 PM (N2yhW)

125 Online costume retailer BuyCostumes.com said Monday that based on sales
of its 99-cent masks of Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, Romney will win
Tuesday's presidential election.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/business/177347751.html

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 05, 2012 06:07 PM (ZKzrr)

126 they sure are eager to return voting rights to rapists.

Who better to vote for your local judges and prosecutors than people with real experience?

Posted by: t-bird at November 05, 2012 06:07 PM (FcR7P)

127 Whereas I often agree with much of what they espouse, when it comes to elections they eschew practicality and pragmatism for a sheer dogmatism I just can't get behind.
Posted by: Punahou Death Stare


Same here.

They might as well turn to their children and say,"Your future is worth less than my unblemished principles."

I have a feeling the vast majority of the fresh tits that vote for Johnson don't like to talk about the emotionally-stunted, ego-maniac that is our Pres because they are whistling past the graveyard.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 05, 2012 06:08 PM (jo069)

128
Currently only 4 states require photo ID.
Texas is not even one of them.
Why?

>>>

In my slice of Texas heaven, we must show either a signed Voter Registration card OR a valid photo ID to vote. A crushing burden, to be sure.

The new photo ID voter requirement has been held up by Holder.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 05, 2012 06:09 PM (BAS5M)

129 >>>A right is a right, or it isn't.

Certainly I agree with voter ID requirements, anti-voting fraud measures, harsh penalties for those who violate them.

But not with stripping voting rights from citizens for the reasons I mentioned previously.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 06:09 PM (SKX2R)

130 How the actual fuck can a Board of Elections legally
refuse to remove the dead from the voter roles? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at November 05, 2012 06:05 PM (Gk3SS)

Here in OK, we have a form for family members to fill out to get a loved one removed from the rolls. We also remove you from the rolls if you fail to vote in two consecutive major elections--we presume you are dead or have moved. I made sure to check that my husband was removed from the rolls after his death. He was a Veteran and hated vote fraud.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 05, 2012 06:10 PM (kXoT0)

131 RESOLVED:

(1) Anyone convicted of a violent felony has clearly demonstrated that he does not have the best interests of others or society at large at heart, and ought to have his right to vote permanently rescinded as part of the due process of law, along with his right to own a firearm. See Amendment V, "... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

(2) The same technology that powers electronic voting machines also powers ATMs. It's remarkable that we keep seeing all these stories about voting machine "accidental errors" and "bugs," and yet ATMs seem to plug right along, nearly error-free, with our hard-earned money. If we're going to use electronic voting machines that do not produce paper receipts, we need to have machines that are at least as reliable as ATMs. What's more valuable? Your vote, or the $40 you withdraw for Starbucks and a lottery ticket?

(3) Voting and driving are not confluent, and have two completely different sets of requirements. Motor Voter needs to go away.

(4) There needs to be an end to third-party voter registration. The last five elections has proven the mischief that can be done with letting partisans add people to the voter rolls (yeah, I'm looking at YOU, Acorn and your offspring). Anyone too lazy to drag their sorry ass down to the County Registrar or the City Hall, prove who they are with official documents, and sign the papers, doesn't need to have a say in who's going to get to run the free world.

(5) Positive ID to vote? Oh, HELL yeah.

(6) Swift and secure ballots for our military stationed overseas, guaranteed? Gorram right. Our men and women in uniform ought to be at the front of the line of election day. They've earned the right to have their vote count.

(7) "But is disenfranchises the poor to force them to pay money they don't have for official identification!" If you libtards care so much about their rights, dig deep and WRITE A GORRAM CHECK. There's not a law on Earth that says you can't provide them with the ten bucks it takes to get the card - especially if you people are willing to spend thousands on airfare to bring them to DC and parade them before Congress. And how did they get on the plane without official ID, hmmmm, Chumley?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 05, 2012 06:10 PM (Jdtsu)

132 Can't felons get re-enfranchised?

Posted by: DaveA at November 05, 2012 06:11 PM (MOWP1)

133 thank you for my new name

Posted by: Lillie Branch Kennedy at November 05, 2012 06:11 PM (Kaabf)

134 1
Restore the poll tax. $10,000 per person if they want to vote.



10
What if you just under pay your Dominican hookers?



What if I let my Dominican hooker fill out my absentee ballot, in exchange for $10,000 worth of "services"?

Posted by: wooga at November 05, 2012 06:11 PM (vjyZP)

135 Just wondering, if showing ID is an unreasonable burden, what about having to register in the first place? If you're illiterate, you won't be able to read the form. What if you lack a vehicle or access to public transportation, and can't make it to the Elections Dept? Minorities, weary of being hounded by The Man, may be afraid to go down to the County office, with all those Sheriff deputies lurking around. What if you just arrived in the country and didn't have time to register before Election Day?

Posted by: Tom at November 05, 2012 06:11 PM (SnvOn)

136
117...It's things such as this that will lead to the anarchy of the middle class.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at November 05, 2012 06:05 PM (Gk3SS)

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I think they even miscounted in the 2010 census, Atc.

Why would they want to take more Electoral Votes from those deep blue states...and give them to the red states, where people have been fleeing to in droves?

I hate it that we have to wait for another census, to knowwhat the 'real' electoral vote count should befor each state.
And if the Dems are in control in 2020...we will get screwed again.

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2012 06:11 PM (ICEh3)

137 Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 06:09 PM (SKX2R)

Hey Kids Mr NostraDUMBass is back

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 06:12 PM (ck76k)

138 All this dead voter talk reminds me of SCoaMF's dead white grandma that voted for him early, then croaked. By Hawaii law her ballot should have been tossed in the trash, but it was counted instead.

Posted by: Up with people at November 05, 2012 06:12 PM (kzFo5)

139 I had to sign my life away to buy a gun the other day. Vote? They card here but that's about it.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 05, 2012 06:12 PM (9ghZ6)

140 When people say there is no evidence that voter fraud happens I always think:

Is there Medicare fraud?
Is there Social Security fraud?
Is there Disability fraud?

So why the FUCK wouldn't there be voter fraud? People act like there's no incentive for it. These same people are usually closely aligned with the EXACT people that have the incentive: Politicians whose livelihood, income, power and exposure are completely dependent on winning elections.

No voter fraud? Gimme a frickin' break!


Posted by: hisfrogness at November 05, 2012 06:13 PM (6orKY)

141 >>>Anyone convicted of a violent felony has clearly demonstrated that he does not have the best interests of others or society at large at heart,

No, it proves they've violated a law. The law itself may be wrong.

The US incarcerates millions of people, many of whom are involved in the consensual plant byproduct trade, and it's a travesty.

Try NOT to be a felon, at least federally. No one knows how many laws there are even. It's a joke.

If the feds want you, they can prosecute you. There's all sorts of crap laws. How many, though, is unknown.

Literally.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 06:13 PM (SKX2R)

142 131 There's not a law
on Earth that says you can't provide them with the ten bucks it takes
to get the card - especially if you people are willing to spend
thousands on airfare to bring them to DC and parade them before
Congress. And how did they get on the plane without official ID, hmmmm,
Chumley?

Like they twat from San Antonio that they did JUST that. I'd still like to know how they got her from San Antonio, Tx to DC to testify.


Posted by: rickb223 at November 05, 2012 06:13 PM (d0Dmj)

143 I wonder whatever happened to the idea of voters adhering to the law? And why aren't all teh Pubbies framing this as a legal issue, with the goal of insuring only those who are legal and eligible to vote do so?

And lastly, why aren't said Pubbies raising a bit more of a stink, and openly asking the leftards why they don't want transparancy in the voting process?

Why no spine?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, with laptop dead at November 05, 2012 06:13 PM (lOmbq)

144 The left has two tricks in its bags besides stopping voter ID: felons is one, but vote by mail is the other. They really, really like it for obvious reasons.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 05, 2012 06:14 PM (r4wIV)

145 46
not all felons are democrats .
im a felon (not a rapist) and I live in oregon so I can vote and I have never voted democrat .
I am a property owner and I havent been in trouble for 30 years
dont hate me
Posted by: aleccalson at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (usWYv)


Alec, thank you for speaking out.
I'm a felon, too, served my time, and am a DAMN productive member of society. I have my own part time business, work full time in another and part time in a third.
I'm in Florida, and I can't vote. It drives me crazy.
I know a lot of conservative felons, they would not vote democrat, and neither would I.
How about a system where there is a set time that one must remain on the correct side of the law, then have voting rights restored?

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:14 PM (rvLeh)

146 122
In fairness, I don't believe a felon who has done their time and gotten out should lose their right to vote. Nor the right to bear arms. (Current inmates, yes. Those who have been released, no.) A right is a right, or it isn't. (We wouldn't debate taking away their First Amendment rights, would we?)
That said, the twisting of protecting the integrity of the vote and mandating such basic civic procedures as procuring an ID into a racist plot is nothing more than craven political thuggery, i.e. The Democrat party on any given day.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 05, 2012 06:06 PM (B/X72)


Voting is a privilege. If it were a "right", citizenship wouldn't be required, nor would there be an age limit.
The reason the issue is so twisted up is that people don't realize the difference. I blame the school system.

Posted by: Alexis Doucherod at November 05, 2012 06:14 PM (Qxe/p)

147 Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 06:12 PM (ck76k)

Cool story, bro!

Posted by: Tommy TitTwister at November 05, 2012 06:15 PM (XoyFB)

148 The US incarcerates millions of people, many of whom are involved in the consensual plant byproduct trade, and it's a travesty. Posted by: Samwise Gamgee

I'd really hate to see that non-consensual plant byproduct trade.

Literally

Oh, and you're Joe Biden now?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 05, 2012 06:15 PM (jo069)

149 Here's a handy guide to felon/prison voting rights by state:

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 05, 2012 06:15 PM (ccXZP)

150 Voting is a privilege and a right. Nobody died for you to have an EBT card with which to purchase "tea and skittles", but, they died by the tens of thousands for your right to vote in free and fair elections. When a group of self-interested people begin to rig elections so they can wallow in the associated graft, they spit on the graves of our honorable dead. So, vote fraud should have a penalty in line with murder and rape, they are raping away the rights of the rest of the electorate and murdering fairness.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 05, 2012 06:15 PM (kXoT0)

151 I'll refrain from voting if I don't have to pay taxes. How about that deal?

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:16 PM (rvLeh)

152 "Michael Douchebag Smerconish is a big fan, and derided the GOP for not giving him the nomination.

---

That name means nothing to me, but fuck him with that very same rusty chainsaw anyway."

====================

He's no one -- an allegedly conservative talk radio wannabe who endorsed Obama four years ago and was able to parlay that into upping his profile, although he's still largely a non-entity.

Posted by: Kensington at November 05, 2012 06:17 PM (Z7toi)

153
Totally OT, (are we beyond 100 comments yet?) but talked to someone in Northern New Jersey, near the shore,this afternoon -

Power is out at her house, she is at her sister's house, who only has power because she had ordered a generator and it was delivered in the middle of Sandy.
Apparently, the Jersey power company that serves her area is OUT of replacement power poles and transformers, and it may be 10-15 days until she gets power at her house.
Part of her house was crushed by a fallen 80 ft oak tree.
She had to drive an hour to Pennsylvania to get gas yesterday, and only had to wait in line 1/2 hour.
The National Guard is now going to run the gas stations (the few that will be open with local generators)and enforce odd-even gas days until the crisis eases. The Police are too busy to run the gas stations, doing "other things".
She mentioned Christie and "our President" in a somewhat derisive tone. I don't think there is any "bounce" for Obama, or any other incumbent in Jersey or New York right now. The longer I talked to this lady, the more she sounded like she was going to cry. She seemed to think there had been precious little preparedness, considering the warning that everyone had gotten DAYS before the storm struck.
If Bloomberg survives a lynching before the end of 2012, it will be because he will stay out of the public eye or only go out with strong security. There is real hatred in the air.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at November 05, 2012 06:17 PM (RFeQD)

154 151
I'll refrain from voting if I don't have to pay taxes. How about that deal?


I'd bet a lot of non felons would sign up.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 05, 2012 06:17 PM (d0Dmj)

155 So I'm in Provo, UT from out of country for the month of November and went to try and volunteer with the Romney campaign and they said they are tapped out in this zip code. Whodathunkthat? Calling from home is really all they have available around here. Has anyone done that? How difficult is it to set it up etc.? They weren't buying my arguments about paying for my gas to Crested Butte so I could poll watch for them.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 05, 2012 06:17 PM (gkfSV)

156 Only the ones who have turned their asses around and are being productive

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:18 PM (rvLeh)

157 Heard Smerconish a few times when he subbed on Rush or Hannity. He did not bring much to the table.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 05, 2012 06:19 PM (kXoT0)

158
145...I know a lot of conservative felons, they would not vote democrat, and neither would I.
How about a system where there is a set time that one must remain on the correct side of the law, then have voting rights restored?

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I hadn't thought of this.
This is actually not a bad idea, imho.

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2012 06:19 PM (ICEh3)

159 I hadn't thought of this. This is actually not a bad idea, imho.

It sounds fair and makes sense. Which explains why it will never be done.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, with laptop dead at November 05, 2012 06:21 PM (lOmbq)

160 Jim Trueblood @jimtrueblood
@JimPethokoukis Pat Caddel on Fox just confirmed there was a small bounce for O last week but numbers have started to move to R.

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 06:21 PM (ck76k)

161 Only the ones who have turned their asses around and are being productive


Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:18 PM

...and have provided full restitution to their victims.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 05, 2012 06:21 PM (rzTDZ)

162 Sorry people, if you do some things you lose certain privileges. I mean, didn't you learn that as a kid? You cross a certain line and that's it for you.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 05, 2012 06:21 PM (r4wIV)

163 158

145...I know a lot of conservative felons, they would not vote democrat, and neither would I.
How
about a system where there is a set time that one must remain on the
correct side of the law, then have voting rights restored?
----------
I hadn't thought of this. This is actually not a bad idea, imho.

It SHOULD be once you have served your time, and are OFF probation/parole, then all rights are restored. If you can't restore their rights, WHY are they on the streets?


Posted by: rickb223 at November 05, 2012 06:21 PM (d0Dmj)

164 Only the ones who have turned their asses around and are being productive


Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:18 PM (rvLeh)

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I'm a big fan of redemption. If your debt to society has been paid and a satisfactory amount of time has passed in which you've proven yourself, I think you should be able to petition to get your voting rights reinstated.

Posted by: mama winger votes for love at November 05, 2012 06:21 PM (P6QsQ)

165
A time when the felon remains on the correct side of the law?

It's called "probation". After someone leaves prison for a felony, they have to stay in contact with their probation officer for months, maybe years.

Quaint idea, but it's been around for a few years.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at November 05, 2012 06:22 PM (RFeQD)

166 I know democrats are mathmatically challenged, but this is absurd. Hamilton County Ohio: 564,429 registered voters. Franklin County 849,829 registered voters. So these challenges to registrationinvolve...0.07% and0.04% of the vote respectively? Even if every single challenged registration was tossed, and every single challenged registration represented a real person that actually planned to vote, and every single vote was for only the Democrats, we are talking about miniscule numbers here. Why get so excited about it?

Posted by: Mr. Sheep at November 05, 2012 06:22 PM (PPcR4)

167 Totally OT, (are we beyond 100 comments yet?) but talked to someone in Northern New Jersey, near the shore,this afternoon -

Not that I'm sexist, well maybe I am, but you mention a lot of women and generators, but I hope someone with some electrical knowledge is guiding them in the proper usage, specifically making sure that they have thrown the 'main' on the house and are not energizing lines that repair crews will be working on in the future.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 05, 2012 06:22 PM (feFL6)

168 This just came up on Drudge:

Obama Campaign to Supporters: Don’t Panic Over Early Exit Polls

http://tinyurl.com/bc67342

Sweet.


Posted by: Alexis Doucherod at November 05, 2012 06:23 PM (Qxe/p)

169
G. Gordon Liddy lost his "rights" to own a firearm after doing prison time in the '70's for the Watergate break-in, and such. He eventually ( I think) got his voting rights back, but has never to this day gotten firearm ownership rights back.

Although he did mention that his wife owns a lot of guns.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at November 05, 2012 06:24 PM (RFeQD)

170 *sniff sniff*..... gulp.
I was disenfranchised when I last attempted to buy beer. I may never be able to buy beer again.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 05, 2012 06:24 PM (jucos)

171 ok we moved to Houston from NJ over a year ago. Just got a robo call from Corey Booker telling me to vote for the JEF

Smart use of that money

Keep f***ng that chicken

Posted by: Thunderb at November 05, 2012 06:24 PM (Dnbau)

172 Funny, every State that Holders DOIJ has sued had some provision for FREE State ID.

Proving once again that it is all about vote fraud!

Posted by: OldDog at November 05, 2012 06:24 PM (tQYJH)

173 Currently only 4 states require photo ID.

Texas is not even one of them.

Why?


Posted by: Courtesy Flush at November 05, 2012 05:56 PM (tkbF


Here in Texas, our Voter ID law was stopped by AG Motherfucker Holder.

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at November 05, 2012 06:24 PM (GrtrJ)

174 Freedom or Tyranny, the choice is that simple and that serious.

Posted by: Rich at November 05, 2012 06:25 PM (arczc)

175
Even if every single challenged registration was
tossed, and every single challenged registration represented a real
person that actually planned to vote, and every single vote was for only
the Democrats, we are talking about miniscule numbers here. Why get so
excited about it?

Posted by: Mr. Sheep at November 05, 2012 06:22 PM

I guess you'd have to ask Patrick Moran that question.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 05, 2012 06:25 PM (rzTDZ)

176 161
Only the ones who have turned their asses around and are being productive




Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:18 PM

...and have provided full restitution to their victims.

165

A time when the felon remains on the correct side of the law?

It's
called "probation". After someone leaves prison for a felony, they have
to stay in contact with their probation officer for months, maybe
years.

Quaint idea, but it's been around for a few years.

161 - I agree
165 - Not in all cases. Some people walk out of the prison door with no probation and no parole.
I'm talking about a fixed period of time AFTER probation and AFTER parole and AFTER incarceration.
Let us SHOW ourselves as law-abiding and productive.

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:25 PM (rvLeh)

177 @ Spamwise Gangree, #141:

Read mine one more time: "Anyone convicted of a violent felony..."

I'm not quibbling about your marijuana habit, amigo, not unless you count "toking" as a violent felony. Some here in California tell me that medical marijuana treats glaucoma and other vision problems. If your habit blurred the words "violent felony," then you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 05, 2012 06:26 PM (Jdtsu)

178 Alexis Doucherod sock OFF.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 05, 2012 06:26 PM (Qxe/p)

179 I see no problem why anyone who has done their time, been released and spent the period of their parole if any in entirely good behaviour should not be permitted to cast their ballot. Those in prison are another matter. They have abused society, and they deserve to be kept at a remove from some of its privileges.

I DO see reasons why law-abiding citizens should look askance at voters being asked to prove who they are.

I DO see reasons why a government should oblige its legitimate voters to prove who they are, so long as that government takes active steps to provide them with identification. I see no reason why a homeless person who can prove their identity should not be issued with an identification card that permits them to cast their ballot, because it may be the only power over their fate that person has left.

I DO see reasons to be **extremely disturbed** at the behaviour of a government that cannot ensure its military gets to exercise the right of suffrage FOR WHICH THEY ARE (at least indirectly) FIGHTING AND DYING and to the freedom of which they are pledged (occasionally by compulsion) to defend. If it could be done in the eighteen-sixties, there is today NO EXCUSE, NO FUCKING EXCUSE AT ALL, for EVERY LIVING U.S. SOLDIER not to have a shot at a postal vote at the earliest possible opportunity, especially on deployment - after all, they may be dead the next day, and this is the one situation under which the vote of a corpse should count, in whatever direction: when that soldier dies in action before the completion of counting.

Let foreign scrutiny of long-standing Parliamentary (in the broadest sense) democracies be carried out by the military of other long-term Parliamentary democracies - those who understand what it is to put their lives on the line for the act they are overseeing, and not bureaucratic apparatchiks with ideological axes to grind.

Posted by: perturbed at November 05, 2012 06:27 PM (pkVI+)

180
Schrodinger's Cat @ 167
I have no frickin' clue. I live 500 miles away. This was a business call that turned into a sob story because the poor lady was just about to have a break down. She was glad to unburden herself to someone who wasn't suffering as much or more than she was.

From the sounds of it, it is going to be LONG TIME until some of these people get anywhere close to be back to normal.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at November 05, 2012 06:27 PM (RFeQD)

181 When conservatives talk about giving the dead a vote, we're talking about the importance of tradition.

When liberals talk about giving the dead a vote, they're talking about the importance of making sure the ballot is filled out completely.

Posted by: Alex at November 05, 2012 06:27 PM (3x3F6)

182 he mentioned Christie and "our President" in a somewhat derisive tone. I don't think there is any "bounce" for Obama, or any other incumbent in Jersey or New York right now. The longer I talked to this lady, the more she sounded like she was going to cry. She seemed to think there had been precious little preparedness, considering the warning that everyone had gotten DAYS before the storm struck.
If Bloomberg survives a lynching before the end of 2012, it will be because he will stay out of the public eye or only go out with strong security. There is real hatred in the air.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at November 05, 2012 06:17 PM (RFeQD)

agreed. People are pissed. However, while they won't vote for these guys again, they will just be substituted with another dem. I predict they are gonna roast Christie over a spit for this, rightly or wrongly. And his stubborn defense of the JEF is gonna leave people with nobody to blame but him.

Bloomie will be a pyriah

Posted by: Thunderb at November 05, 2012 06:27 PM (Dnbau)

183 Smerconish is a conservative from the Andi Sullivan wing of the conservative movement.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 05, 2012 06:27 PM (TMB3S)

184 Obama Campaign to Supporters: Don’t Panic Over Early ExitPolls http://tinyurl.com/bc67342

Posted by: Baldy at November 05, 2012 06:27 PM (opS9C)

185
There was a day when 'felony' meant something more than crossing the street illegally. In our overly legalistic society that has criminalized every aspect of our lives, I think we should re-evaluate the rights of a person that has served their time and paid their debt to society.
But I think the Dems are actually talking about voting while in prison. And screw that.

Posted by: California Red at November 05, 2012 06:27 PM (Ho3p+)

186 Correction to #179 - should read, At voters NOT being asked to prove who they are.

Posted by: perturbed at November 05, 2012 06:28 PM (pkVI+)

187 Oh my.. brother just called, he's a nervous wreck. He said please tell me this fucking douche isn't gonna win tomorrow. I said no, he's not... well what are you seeing or hearing? I try to explain to him how the polls are skewed.. all the anecdotles I have been hearing and seeing.. blah blah. Get his calmed down and my mom calls all in a panic. Hubby is walking around not sure that Obama won't steal this away somehow. Ok.. so the family therapist is now officially back to worrying. Someone please tell me Romney has this.

Posted by: jewells45 says Romney wins in a landslide at November 05, 2012 06:28 PM (1hNQS)

188 I also see no reason why revocation of voting priviledges (or anything else for that matter)need be permanent.

Posted by: steevy at November 05, 2012 06:28 PM (9XBK2)

189 Jewells if he wins, he wins, if Romney wins, then he does. Worry or being cheerful won't change that. I advise a long hot bath, and doing something you love to do and ignoring the election results until Wednesday.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 05, 2012 06:30 PM (r4wIV)

190 Someone please tell me Romney has this.
Posted by: jewells45 says Romney wins in a landslide at November 05, 2012 06:28 PM (1hNQS)
------------------------------------------------------
Romney has this.

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at November 05, 2012 06:31 PM (jucos)

191 From the Kingston Trio song "Zombie Jamboree."

Back to back
Belly to belly
And I don't give a damn
'Cause I done that already

Back to back
Belly to belly
At the zombie jamboree



The Dems will vote the dead often, but there's a limit. Zombies can vote forever.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at November 05, 2012 06:31 PM (PH+2B)

192
Just wondering, if showing ID is an unreasonable burden, what about having to register in the first place? If you're illiterate, you won't be able to read the form. What if you lack a vehicle or access to public transportation, and can't make it to the Elections Dept? Minorities, weary of being hounded by The Man, may be afraid to go down to the County office, with all those Sheriff deputies lurking around. What if you just arrived in the country and didn't have time to register before Election Day?Posted by: Tom at November 05, 2012 06:11 PM (SnvOn)Wow, it's been a long time since I've read so much stupid in one paragraph.

Posted by: joanne counting down the minutes at November 05, 2012 06:34 PM (VNFBf)

193 Lets see how long will it take the Trolls & SamDUMBASS Ganja to be here after that news from drudge

Posted by: Evilpens at November 05, 2012 06:34 PM (ck76k)

194 To not pay taxes ever again (incl any back taxes that may be owed) one has to save the planet from an asteroid the size of Texas.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 05, 2012 06:34 PM (BAS5M)

195 Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:25 PM (rvLeh)

You have 3 choices -

1. Get up and organize for either a legislative or constitutional amendment vote in FL to restore felon voting rights.

2. Move to a state where you are allowed to vote after a felony conviction.

3. Bitch here. This one is easiest.

In an earlier post on this thread, I posted a link to a state by state guide to voting rights for felons.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 05, 2012 06:35 PM (ccXZP)

196 My God, that horse is dead

Posted by: Cricket at November 05, 2012 06:35 PM (2ArJQ)

197 Posted by: jewells45 says Romney wins in a landslide at November 05, 2012 06:28 PM (1hNQS)
__
It's weird, today I went through a rollercoaster, first so happy and couldn't wait for tomorrow, then midway thru day started to get concerned, then clicked on a web page with pic of Romney walking up steps into plane. He looked so confident and at ease, I thought, no worries here. So now I'm back to being peaceful.

Just remember key voting blocs are way in favor of him: Independents, Catholics, and Evangelicals. Also the huge attendance at his battleground state rallies.

Posted by: kallisto at November 05, 2012 06:39 PM (jm/9g)

198
176...Some people walk out of the prison door with no probation and no parole.
I'm talking about a fixed period of time AFTER probation and AFTER parole and AFTER incarceration.
Let us SHOW ourselves as law-abiding and productive.

----------

Yeah....probation and parole vary from state to state, too.
Some are lenient.
Some are less so.

What do you think would be a good 'fixed period of time'...to restore voting rights?
10 years....15 years? ....Less?
I guess it would have to be tied to the type of crime.

Non-violent crimes like tax fraud, drug possession, identity theft....seems like those would warrant a smaller waiting period.

Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2012 06:40 PM (ICEh3)

199 Had to show ID at Home Depot today to buy spray paint. Had to show ID at Walgreens to buy Sudafed Saturday. Just sayin'.

Posted by: kqb29 at November 05, 2012 06:40 PM (b1NQB)

200 When you consider that 99% of all politicians who are affiliated with the Democrat party, -- by the very nature of their ideology - are felons, at least they're being consistent.

Posted by: Fritz at November 05, 2012 06:41 PM (vm7ot)

201 98Posted by: California Red at November 05, 2012 06:01 PM (Ho3p+):I've had this huge pimple on my forehead for about a week now. It's deep and it wont go away or come to the surface. Really embarrassing. Hoping tomorrow that the festering pus will be gone once and for all.here, please let me make a suggestion.step one is to slowly begin to pull your head out of your ass.step two will now happen naturally as your hemorrhoids will pop the offending pimplestep three will be the reverse of step one

Posted by: ugly kid joe at November 05, 2012 06:49 PM (Ez9/h)

202 46
not all felons are democrats .

im a felon (not a rapist) and I live in oregon so I can vote and I have never voted democrat .

I am a property owner and I havent been in trouble for 30 years

dont hate me




Posted by: aleccalson at November 05, 2012 05:48 PM (usWYv)


Wow, you must have a story to tell! (But you don't have to -- it's your business, not ours.) Not to worry -- nobody here will hate you because of a crime committed 30 years in the past, for which you've already paid your dues to society.Not all U.S. criminal laws are reasonable. For example, if a guy gets drunk on his 18th birthday (which isn't legal in most states, but isn't a felony) and takes a whiz on a tree while stumbling home through a neighborhood park, and a kid sees him, and the kid's parent calls the cops -- guess what? That young man's adult life is ruined before it even starts, because since exposing oneself is a sex crime, he gets to be put on the sex offender list right along with the creep child molesters, violent rapists, etc. Our hypothetical 18-year-old can forget about joining the military, becoming a teacher, volunteering as a Scout leader, or running for any sort of political office. His odds of finding a nice girl to marry will plummet, unless he happens to find one both sympathetic and brave enough to trust his explanation.I think most Morons would agree that this situation sucks.
I'm glad you're voting for R/R, and I hope you have good candidates all down the ticket in your district.

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 06:49 PM (48wze)

203 98Posted by: California Red at November 05, 2012 06:01 PM (Ho3p+):I've
had this huge pimple on my forehead for about a week now. It's deep and
it wont go away or come to the surface. Really embarrassing. Hoping
tomorrow that the festering pus will be gone once and for all.



Hey, my fellow Kalifornian! Apply hot compresses to your forehead, the Inka-Vote thing to your ballot, and generous amounts of ethanol to your mouth, throat, and stomach. You'll feel better in just a day or two. :-)

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 06:53 PM (48wze)

204 Gnubreed - I'm working on your first choice, I spoke out here because the Moron Horde is a thinking, rational bunch, not kneejerk mouthbreathers. I posted because I wanted them to think, and I believe it worked.
Wheatie - make it a round 10 years. Bot not just time, proof of being a productive member of society (also known as a tax return).

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at November 05, 2012 06:56 PM (rvLeh)

205
Yeah. If the Dems think granting felons is somehow gonna buy votes...I think this might just end up backfiring. A number of states already restore voting rights once a felon has completed his sentence/parole/probation.

I actually have a problem with completely stripping an individual of a Constitutionally guaranteed right for the rest of their life. If they've done their time and served their debt, (and they are not a danger to society ei: sexual predators) they should be allowed to re-enter society. Virginia is on the wrong end of this one.

Another thing, I don't think Democrats would get as many votes as their expecting. Felons that would actually take the time to register and vote are generally reformed. And for the most part, they aren't "liberal". From what I've been able to gather from talking to truly reformed convicts, prison changes your perspective on the world. Once you start taking responsibility for your criminal behavior, you start taking responsibility for other aspects in your life. It's not really compatible with the progressive movement. Call it the "Robert Downey Jr. Effect".

Ask a truly reformed felon who they would rather see in office. 9 times out of 10...it isn't Obama. So let them restore voting rights to felons. More votes for Republicans and Libertarians.

Posted by: Bets at November 05, 2012 06:57 PM (rjLjF)

206 What do you think would be a good 'fixed period of time'...to restore voting rights?
10 years....15 years? ....Less?

I guess it would have to be tied to the type of crime.



Non-violent crimes like tax fraud, drug possession, identity theft....seems like those would warrant a smaller waiting period.



Posted by: wheatie at November 05, 2012 06:40 PM (ICEh3)

As a rule of thumb, perhaps felons' voting rights could be restored when the statute of limitations runs out on the crime they were convicted of? Just a thought off the top of my head.

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 06:57 PM (48wze)

207 Am I the only one having trouble seeing the ONT that's up now?

Is it a joke post?

Or is it because he's posting from the Fatherland?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 05, 2012 07:00 PM (SP4jC)

208 Republicans really have to stop allowing themselves to be shouted down on this issue. Simply state the facts: Every fraudulent vote that's counted disenfranchises a legitimate voter. These people are fighting to make it easier for someone else to steal your vote. Are you OK with that?

To be honest, though, I actually don't mind allowing felons to vote, after they're free and have served their time. There are too many felonies, and the distinction between a felony and a misdemeanor has lost any real meaning it may once have had. It's the libertarian in me.

Posted by: GalosGann at November 05, 2012 07:02 PM (BKyGT)

209 and now the blog is broke.

was it my breath? or my astoundingly disgusting bo?

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 05, 2012 07:03 PM (SP4jC)

210 The main problem for conservatives is the mass media.

Until that enormous fraud machine is hampered, hamstrung or destroyed, the liberal view will always have a voice no matter the subject and no matter how illogical it is.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 05, 2012 07:04 PM (SP4jC)

211
All prisoners are political prisoners!
Free Mumia (or at least let the man vote)!

Posted by: Bill Ayers at November 05, 2012 07:05 PM (BhSWW)

212 I think everyone went over to the ONT and were sucked into a hyperspace vortex and are gone from THIS universe.

damn. I always miss the good stuff.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 05, 2012 07:06 PM (SP4jC)

213 Free Mummys. Get your Free Mummys.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 05, 2012 07:07 PM (SP4jC)

214 I hereby declare this blog to be JCW46 BLOG OF DESTINY.

All bow to my magnificence and splendor.

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 05, 2012 07:07 PM (SP4jC)

215 Dastardly Dan,

Well put. Hell, I wouldn't object to gun rights being restored in many cases (though not for violent felons, gotta draw the line somewhere).

At the same time, I'm a big fan of the 10th Amendment and think that each state should decide these sorts of things. One size fits all usually sucks as a solution to any problem.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 05, 2012 07:08 PM (ccXZP)

216 This sort of shit usually only happens in the overnight. But since that's been sucked into a black hole of pixy's making.

I WIN!!!!!

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 05, 2012 07:08 PM (SP4jC)

217 Violent felons, don't pay too much attention to the law.

Though by the time they get out, they aren't able to compete int he world they knew anymore so they're forced to the edges of society.

a sizable portion of the homeless are people of this sort. No longer able to commit crimes and unable to hold a job (if they could get one.)

Posted by: Jcw46 at November 05, 2012 07:11 PM (SP4jC)

218 111
"Voter Fraud is a Felony."


...and people think you should still be able to vote once you're convicted of it. Hrm.



Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 05, 2012 06:04 PM (ZKzrr)
Well, after the vote fraudster has served his or her time, and gone through a probationary period, his or her petition for restoration of voting rights should be handled like any other felon's. However, that person could be legally enjoined from participating in any vote-counting or other election activities, perhaps by means of a voter fraud registry, the equivalent of a sex offender's registry. (Both kinds of registries should be reviewed frequently for people who don't need to be on them, like my example above of the hypothetical 18-year-old convicted of indecent exposure for drunkenly peeing on a tree in a park.)

Posted by: Mary in LA at November 05, 2012 07:11 PM (48wze)

219 The buses are lining up to take dems to repub congressional districts. Nice.

Posted by: teh Jersey Wind at November 05, 2012 07:17 PM (GkYyh)

220 And governments that disenfranchise Schnauzer fuckers like me lose the right to govern. It's a victimless crime FFS especially if you've got Snausages with you.

Posted by: Shitwise McGee at November 05, 2012 07:20 PM (nkiQM)

221 Like no one saw this coming after 6500 felons voted in Florida in 2000 and the Dems just barely lost to Bush.

Its not the actual restoration of rights that bothers me. I mean, people change, debt paid to society, etc etc...

The part that will bug is the pandering to the felon vote. "I pledge that if you get drunk, crash your car, and drown your girlfriend, you will be sentenced to life in Congress as the senior Senator from Massachusetts."

"For every 1 year of your sentence, the arresting officer will spend 1 day in jail so there is cost for his racial profiling!"

"Every person's vote should count unless you are a Republican with a speeding ticket. I mean, if you flaunt the little laws..who knows what you are capable of?"

"I promise a 2 year reduction is sentence if you use the pullout method."

Posted by: sgmstv at November 05, 2012 07:25 PM (Owwmo)

222 Maybe I'm a pussy but if you've served your time and done parole/probation then I don't see an issue with an ex-con voting.
Please note my caveats before saying I AM a pussy.

een

Posted by: een at November 05, 2012 07:31 PM (Xj1tr)

223 >>>I don't think there is any "bounce" for Obama, or any other incumbent in Jersey or New York right now.

Yes, I totally agree with this.

Someone made that point the other day, also following a personal example, and I agreed then.

And if NJ and NY were swing states, that'd be helpful to Romney's campaign.

But most people just saw others' pain, in bite-sized amount, and then the President doing his job for once to *alleviate* said pain.

That's where the swing to Obama, which appears to have stopped, came from.

I have a close friend in NJ too. She's none to impressed with what's going on there.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 05, 2012 07:34 PM (ZIkmx)

224 I heard a sheriff's deputy say on the radio this morning that the San Francisco sheriff is handing out ballots at the county jail.
Surprised?

Posted by: Whitehall at November 05, 2012 07:40 PM (FmPSC)

225
These methods have turned up no fraud


No fraud? No fraud?

How about Christine "Landslide" Gregoire, who after a shitload of "lost" ballots were found in some warehouse won the governorship of WA in an election in which most votes were cast than there were registered voters? Could that just be a teensy-weensy hint that some fraud had taken place?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 05, 2012 08:21 PM (4u2LN)

226 So the Demoncratic Party is the party of child molesters. Surprise surprise sgt. Carter!And they presume to be for restoring murderers voting rights...which is a strange position since the life the murderer takes can never vote again. And all those aborted babies never get to vote either.

That's a pretty big tent. Be a damned shame if an illwind should pick it up and shred it.

Posted by: torabora at November 05, 2012 08:57 PM (QX1B1)

227 Before they ate the rich, they stormed the Bastille.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 05, 2012 09:39 PM (EUv1K)






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