Is There a Hidden Conservative Vote Lurking Out There?

I've been resisting this notion, but Obama drew out new voters, didn't he?

So why shouldn't it be that this election we'll see some of our own new voters?

I keep thinking about the Night of the Living Dead in Ohio in 2004. Kerry thought he had won Ohio -- but then the returns came in from the Bush counties. And came in. And came in. And came in. A storm of unexpected Republican votes just kept coming in, first equaling his tally from the cities, then surpassing it.

Liberals called it The Night of the Living Dead, because the zombies -- eh, I'll take it; we determined and plain of purpose -- just kept marching in to the polls.

Daniel Henninger thinks evangelicals might make their might known on November 6.

Back in April, the policy director of the Southern Baptist Convention, Richard Land, predicted that evangelicals in time would coalesce behind Mitt Romney. Yesterday he endorsed Mr. Romney, the first time he has done so for any presidential candidate.

Ralph Reed, the president of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, has been spending a lot of time in states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in the belief that evangelical support for Mr. Romney could be decisive. He notes that when George W. Bush won Ohio in 2004, the Kerry camp thought their dominance of Democratic Cuyahoga County around Cleveland had the state locked up. But Mr. Bush's solid support in evangelical-dominated counties from Cincinnati to the West Virginia border carried Ohio by two percentage points. [The Night of the Living Dead -- ace.]

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Mr. Reed notes that in several opinion polls—NBC, Pew and ABC—the percentage of evangelicals claiming to support Mr. Romney has been in the mid-70s. "We estimate that in 2008 there were 350,000 evangelicals who didn't vote in Ohio," Mr. Reed says. "Obama carried the state by 260,000." If that support of 70% or more holds for Mr. Romney in Ohio, and if the share of the evangelical vote increases by a point or two, then the challenger could carry the Buckeye State.

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The president of Ohio Christian University, Mark A. Smith, says, "The intensity of voters in the faith community is as high as I've seen it in the last 12 years." The driver of that intensity is religious liberty....

Mr. Smith says that if evangelicals in Ohio's rural communities repeat their turnout levels from 2000 and 2004, they will offset the Obama advantage in Cuyahoga County. "Six different faith groups are out there" for Romney in Ohio, he says. "That didn't happen the last time."

Ben Domenech coins a term -- I think he coins it -- an "undertow election." Unlike a wave, you aren't aware of the the undertow until it grabs you by the ankle and pulls you down.

[A]s much as I question their strategic minds, it's been clear from day one that Romney's operational prowess is second to none, and getting out the vote isn't a question of strategy but operation. Even given that the state Republican parties are shouldering much of this effort, and even given all the advantages Team Obama was likely to have in that arena, if Team Romney could end up close to matching them in this respect, we could be looking at an undertow election like none we've seen before. This would reflect not so much a groundswell as a cave-in, one where independents did not shift to Romney but away from Obama, where the bottom truly drops out of the Obama effort, and the story the left focuses on for the next year is why in the world those people stayed home.

If this happens, it won't be a late night after all.

Michael Barone sees Romney playing well in affluent suburbs of the midwest better than any other Republican candidate within the past twenty years.

Cultural affinity is important; a lot of northerners or midwesterners didn't like Bush simply because of his southern/Texas identity. The same reason a lot of southern conservatives were suspicious of Romney -- he seemed of a different culture -- is the same reason suburbanites in Pennsylvania and Ohio (and Minnesota, and Michigan) might give him a whirl.

The only way Pennsylvania and Michigan can be close is if Obama's support in affluent Philadelphia and Detroit suburbs has melted away.

This also helps explain why Romney still narrowly trails in Ohio polls. Affluent suburban counties cast about one-quarter of the votes in Pennsylvania and Michigan but only one-eighth in Ohio.

A pro-Romney affluent swing is confirmed by the internals of some national polls. The 2008 exit poll showed Obama narrowly carrying voters with incomes over $75,000. Post-debate Pew Research and Battleground polls have shown affluent suburbanite Romney carrying them by statistically significant margins.

In particular, college-educated women seem to have swung toward Romney since Oct. 3.

Rasmussen Ohio: 49-49.

Posted by: Ace at 02:52 PM



Comments

1 yeah baby!

Posted by: the crazy guy that keeps posting gotv or stfu at November 02, 2012 02:52 PM (cgxNI)

2
I'm changing the pay structure back to being based on quality, rather than quantity, so expect better troll comments in future.

Posted by: David Axelrod, Convicted Felon at November 02, 2012 02:54 PM (ggRof)

3 3rd

Posted by: Scoop at November 02, 2012 02:54 PM (HINxj)

4 I'm typically terrified of the idea of zombies, however,i'll take it this time.

polease.

Posted by: willow at November 02, 2012 02:55 PM (hX8cq)

5 not just evangelicals..... .just a few percentages of Catholics change their vote.. and SCOAMF has serious issues.
Priests all over will be reading Bishop letters at mass this weekend.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 02, 2012 02:55 PM (DGIjM)

6 Those that aren't lured by Romney are being lured by Ryan

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 02, 2012 02:55 PM (qx7YW)

7 In before the trolls!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 02:55 PM (sbV1u)

8
People who refuse to be polled = Hidden Conservative Voters.

Some people are afraid to go on the record, Ace...and say they're voting against TFG.

Posted by: wheatie at November 02, 2012 02:56 PM (ICEh3)

9 Does anyone think we will ever see the money trail for people like Collin Powell receiving stimulus funds? Am I crazy?

Posted by: neveragain at November 02, 2012 02:56 PM (Wnk4X)

10

The answer is YES.


I know of one such person, never voted in her life, and said she will crawl over glass to vote obama out.

I know this is ONE instance, and anecdotal, but if I know someone, then others know someone. A new vote is a new vote. And, they are under the radar, because they were never out.

Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 02:56 PM (LpQbZ)

11
I've answered the phone only twice for pollsters this year.

The first call was a GOTV effort by the United Steelworks to inform me that my 17 year old was qualified to vote. I made the guy hang up on me!

The second call was a computerized call and when it gave me the choice to hit 1 or 2 I hit 3.

I think we are all lurking.

Posted by: got caller ID at November 02, 2012 02:56 PM (cgxNI)

12 For those evangelical and catholic voters that think both candidates suck, only one of them has attacked freedom of religion.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 02, 2012 02:57 PM (qx7YW)

13 Re evangelicals... I was at the Romney rally at Wisconsin State Fair Park this morning. The crowd was highly energized, happy, ready to work, and from talking to people there was a significant contingent of Evangelicals among them. There were also a good number of teenagers, who I assumed to be home-schoolers.

I think the MSM read the Romney-as-Mormon thing all wrong. The divide in America is not between sects, its between the religious and secularists. Evangelicals will turn out for Romney very heavily, because he appears to be what he is... a man of real faith. Ditto for conservative Catholics. I think there could be a wave of the silent Christian majority for Romney.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at November 02, 2012 02:57 PM (qHCyt)

14
Oh - I almost forgot:

GOTV
or
STFU

Posted by: Project ORCA at November 02, 2012 02:58 PM (cgxNI)

15 After four years of a president who pays lip service to Christianity, I do not understand why a Christian would find it difficult to vote for a Mormon. It gave me not one iota of a cracker of a qualm.

Posted by: huerfano at November 02, 2012 02:58 PM (bAGA/)

16 OMG the return of Jesusland

nooooooooooooooooo

Posted by: Lefty McLefterson at November 02, 2012 02:58 PM (60GaT)

17 Send me to swing states!

I need to lock them up for my 2016 run.

Posted by: Joe Biden- Coming To An Elementary School Bear You at November 02, 2012 02:59 PM (gC30A)

18 Ace, I think you're spot on with this. The polls are only reflecting what the polling outfits are being told. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've hung up my phone in the past month or so. People are ready to vote and they've know for a long time who they are going to vote for. If Obama wins this, God forbid, it won't be from the lack of Republican votes.

I've never volunteered for any candidate in the past; this time around I'm part of ORCA and will be doing my part in Stafford, VA. The stakes are too high and I have to believe there are many out there that feel the same way that are not being reflected in the polls.

Posted by: mastour at November 02, 2012 02:59 PM (Xf0bG)

19 I will win the crowd. I will give them something they've never seen before.

Posted by: Maximus Preferencus Cascadius at November 02, 2012 02:59 PM (BrQrN)

20 I normally don't get involved in ban issues, but I'll make an exception in the case of this "Catcher' person.

Could someone stop the pointlessness?

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at November 02, 2012 02:59 PM (WbGW2)

21

CNBC cant understand why the street isnt bullish from the jobs report.

Posted by: soothsayer vindictus at November 02, 2012 02:59 PM (0vCeR)

22 as I posted in the last thread...

early voting in the liberal bastion of Texas, Travis County (Austin) is
down by over 50,000 votes... from 37.6% of registered voters in '08
down to 27.9% this year... to say the bloom is off the rose is an
understatement...

if other liberal communities (Obama 65%-McCain 35%) are off similarly, Obama will have a tough time getting the votes that Kerry tallied in 2004

Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at November 02, 2012 02:59 PM (MAhUT)

23 There are Bishops and Priests saying on video....if you vote for people who hold intrinsically evil positions.. your soul is in jeopardy.
I have never seen that in my life.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 02, 2012 02:59 PM (DGIjM)

24 Well if Billy Graham's support doesn't reassure the evangelicals, nothing will.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (piMMO)

25 I know of at least one. She said she may have to vote against her "moral convictions" this time because she is a business owner and Obama is destroying the economy and her business, so she is going to vote for her economic self-interest. I talked to her for a while and I think I convinced her that enlightened self-interest is a positive moral value. I also assured her that she will find the Republicans to be a bigger tent in terms of welcoming divergent points of view on social issues, it's the Dems who won't tolerate dissent, and gave examples. So there is a vote switching from O to R, and in FL no less.

Posted by: real joe at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (WAX36)

26 The biggest myth of this election is that "evangelicals" won't vote for Romney because he's Mormon. That might be true, possibly, if we had a president who was strongly and clearly Christian, but we don't.

If we have a choice between lousy president who hates me and isn't Christian and new guy who doesn't hate me and isn't Christian... who do you think I'm gonna vote for?

More than a few people on the left are holding their breath hoping against hope this will work out for them, but its not going to. Church goin' folks want Obama out. Now.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (r4wIV)

27 16 OMG the return of Jesusland

nooooooooooooooooo

---

Anyone who has a problem with that can feel free to take a one-way trip somewhere.

I suggest Egypt, where there probably won't be any Christians left soon.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (e0xKF)

28 But Obama is leading by double digits in China!

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Teams Up With Mitt Romney's Hair to Defeat SCOAMF at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (+AV7H)

29 >>So why shouldn't it be that this election we'll see some of our own new voters?

Give them a conservative candidate to vote for and maybe we find out.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (SDkq3)

30

Remember when O's camp was touted as so savvy with the gadgets, the social networks, social marketing, etc...

Well, the rest of the country caught up to the twenty-somethings and are wielding it all mightily about.

Romney's campaign is real.

Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (LpQbZ)

31 5 not just evangelicals..... .just a few percentages of Catholics change their vote.

______________________________

Reagan Democrats--that could be the hidden Mitt Romney voter.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (r2PLg)

32 Last weekend I drove from Maysville KY to Washington Court House, OH, a stretch of about 60 miles through rural Ohio. EVERY, and I do mean EVERY, house had a Romney sign in the yard, except for 3 that had Obama signs. Dozens of Romney/Ryan, 3 Obama.

Posted by: Gabriel Syme at November 02, 2012 03:00 PM (g84Si)

33 yes....i believe beck call it the chick fil a effect

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 02, 2012 03:01 PM (Ho2rs)

34
Chick-Fil-A Day. Remember the turnout for that? Was that planned, organized, andadvertised, or basically spontaneous?

There's a tide out there that's invisible to-- or perhaps cloaked from-- the MFM.

See also Party, Tea.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 02, 2012 03:01 PM (zgHLA)

35 Mitt tsunami overwhelms Ohio.

Hector, ashen hardest hit.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 02, 2012 03:01 PM (wtvvX)

36 White Catholics going for Romney by double digits, according to Pew. McCain won them by only 5 points.

Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at November 02, 2012 03:01 PM (DQMcq)

37 O/T - a great comment from CNN's website:

"If you voted for Obama before to show you're not racist, please don't vote for him this time to show you're not stupid as well."

Posted by: Roy at November 02, 2012 03:01 PM (VndSC)

38 IA, WI, OH, VA, CO, NH, ME2 for Romney.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:01 PM (i0vBR)

39 REAL JOE!!!!! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN??????

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 02, 2012 03:01 PM (Ho2rs)

40 I'm a evangelical, my parents are evangelicals, my friends are evangelicals, my pet dog is an evangelical. Even though we have issues with Mormonism and its cultish aspects we will all jump hurdles of nuclear fire and journey the valley of mordor to vote FOR Romney and run that SCOAMF out of office.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Teams Up With Mitt Romney's Hair to Defeat SCOAMF at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (+AV7H)

41 <<I've been resisting this notion, but Obama drew out new voters, didn't he?>>

It would certainly stand to reason in the same way Carter did.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (kLOjD)

42 O, I hope so! I am aching to see Nate Silver made a laughingstock.

Not to mention the fact that we really, REALLY, need to toss TFG out of office.

I have a fantasy. In my fantasy, Obama's thrown out of office, and then due to circumstances unclear he loses all of his money and security and is forced to take up residence with an army of mouth-breathing leftover Obama cultists, all of whom still demand that he make skillets fly out of their assholes even as he's powerless to do anything for anyone.

Forever.

Posted by: Kensington at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (Z7toi)

43 Evangelicals swing it for Romney? Unpossible!

Posted by: toby928© Scheming SoCon of the NoFap League at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (QupBk)

44 You have been suggesting that "likability" is extremely important for elections.

How about the feeling that you are being disrespected by one political party. Doesn't that also drive voter behavior at a primal level?

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (kP4aY)

45 Also: more than a few black ministers are suggesting their congregations avoid voting for Obama because of his stance on various social issues. That "evolution" on homosexual "marriage" hurt him big time in the long run, despite the cash infusion it won him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (r4wIV)

46 I think too there is another hidden bloc. More Democrats voting for Romney than Barky this time. Pocketbook voters.

Posted by: eureka! at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (UL+ny)

47
Oh, also that 2016 movie did well, didn't it?

Signs and portents.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (zgHLA)

48 Driving in to work this afternoon I saw

I'm Catholic and I Vote

Never saw that one before. It had been applied by someone not accustomed to using their bumper as a billboard.

Posted by: fluffeneidas at November 02, 2012 03:03 PM (O6q63)

49 The biggest myth of this election is that "evangelicals" won't vote for Romney because he's Mormon. That might be true, possibly, if we had a president who was strongly and clearly Christian, but we don't.

If we have a choice between lousy president who hates me and isn't Christian and new guy who doesn't hate me and isn't Christian... who do you think I'm gonna vote for?

More than a few people on the left are holding their breath hoping against hope this will work out for them, but its not going to. Church goin' folks want Obama out. Now.

------

Sadly I do know some "evangelicals" who aren't voting for Romney, partially due to his Mormonism. Of course, they then turn logic on its head by turning around and voting for Obama. But I didn't say they were very bright.

Posted by: Rich at November 02, 2012 03:03 PM (arczc)

50 Hi Phoenix, I have been lurking around... All's well here. How are you?

Posted by: real joe at November 02, 2012 03:03 PM (WAX36)

51 Drudge has a link to Dingy Harry's comment that the Senate Dems won't work with Romney. The WaTimes article notes that this is especially important because it appears that the chances of a GOP takeover of the Senate are slipping. I hope that's not true, but I won't dismiss it out of hand, given the source. We need the Senate for many things, including SC justices.

Posted by: pep at November 02, 2012 03:03 PM (YXmuI)

52 I don't care if Mitt is Mormon and I am Catholic, Obama's record on abortion turns off Catholics. Priests will read The Bishop's letter this weekend at Mass. There is nothing to worry about except voter fraud, and I do not think they can steal enough votes to win.
I think Romney/Ryan is going to be a huge win for us.

Posted by: CarolT at November 02, 2012 03:03 PM (z4WKX)

53 And we will all have delicious Chick-Fil-A meals afterwards to celebrate too. (Sans the dog, who gets bacon)

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Teams Up With Mitt Romney's Hair to Defeat SCOAMF at November 02, 2012 03:04 PM (+AV7H)

54
I remember seeing some stat study years ago that if you are an incumbent that is tied in a valid poll, 9 times out of 10 they lost by outside the margin of error.

OH is going Romney.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 02, 2012 03:04 PM (PHb2k)

55 just a few percentages of Catholics change their vote..

My mom and dad -- both Catholic, and die hard Democrats. Both voted for Obama. Not this time. Hell no.

Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 03:04 PM (LpQbZ)

56 Zombie hoard!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 02, 2012 03:04 PM (Lom3Z)

57 I'll repeat what I said in another post; turn of the TV and spend some quality time with your family. Life is too short and the love of your family is the only constant.

I've lurked on this site for a very long time, hell I've even bought a shirt; yeah Ace sold shirts at one time. Ace, you do yeoman's work and I know all the other morons appreciate the effort.

Be safe and prep the pudding!!!

Posted by: mastour at November 02, 2012 03:05 PM (Xf0bG)

58
My pastor, as much as he believes he is able to, has been talking up Romney for quite sometime, and encouraging people to vote. I think the Democrats were counting on Romney's being a Mormon (the whole "cult" thing) to keep evangelicals from voting for Romney, but I do not think the Democrats understand the magnitude of distrust that these folks have for Obama. I hear it a lot from other folks at church and elsewhere.

It is just a shame that social conservatives (of which there are many, and most are evangelicals) are regarded as second class citizens (or worse) by the rest of the Republican Party.

Posted by: DaveinNC at November 02, 2012 03:05 PM (boNGU)

59 And essentially the last poll on Oct 31 done by the University of Cincinnati is-

essentially tied.

Forty-eight percent of likely voters plan to vote for Obama, 46 percent plan to vote for Romney, two percent plan to vote for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson, and two percent say they will select another candidate on the ballot. An additional two percent are undecided as to how they will vote for president.
The race for president is within the survey's margin of error.


That's a tie.

I could go look at the internals and probably find some problems with their modeling but that seems to bore the hell out of everyone.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:05 PM (r2PLg)

60 Different thesis.... The Right has been conditioned NOT to talk about politics...

Take a look at Facebook for instance. The Left is verbose, and profane enough, that many people I know will not talk Politics even on their private pages with friends...

In Public? when I make an anti obama joke, people look around quickly... then nod in agreement... then look around for the Expected Liberal Outrage and Racist comment...

Now carry this over to Polling.... and I think there are a lot of angry Americans who are not answering Polling calls...

I really believe there is a 5-8% pissed off voters.... who are silent and not being represented in the polls... but WILL be voting.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 02, 2012 03:05 PM (lZBBB)

61 Sadly I do know some "evangelicals" who aren't voting for Romney, partially due to his Mormonism. Of course, they then turn logic on its head by turning around and voting for Obama. But I didn't say they were very bright.

Thats a false flag. Those are Obama voters who are giving an excuse. They were going to vote Obama anyway.

There's a fair portion of the mainstream "evangelical" church in America that's basically just leftists who hear sermons on racism and global warming with a vague mention of a higher power once a Sunday. Those guys were never even considering voting for Romney.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:05 PM (r4wIV)

62 Since the trolls are coming out.
Partial list of known trolls:
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Posted by: RoyalOil at November 02, 2012 03:06 PM (imtbm)

63 There is a brand new Chick Fil A opening around the corner from my house.

I am desperately hoping it opens by next Tuesday so I can celebrate the ejction of Jugears McFuckstick from public office...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 02, 2012 03:06 PM (wtvvX)

64 51 Drudge has a link to Dingy Harry's comment that the Senate Dems won't work with Romney. The WaTimes article notes that this is especially important because it appears that the chances of a GOP takeover of the Senate are slipping. I hope that's not true, but I won't dismiss it out of hand, given the source. We need the Senate for many things, including SC justices.

---

I think that those projections are bullshit.

I've got a good feeling that this will be a Reagan-Carter election where a demoralized Dem turnout will lead to unexpected losses down-ticket.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 02, 2012 03:06 PM (e0xKF)

65 "I don't care if Mitt is Mormon and I am Catholic, Obama's record on abortion turns off Catholics."

Likewise, I am Jewish and I don't care if Mitt is Mormon (I do care that I'm Jewish), Obama's record on taxes (and everything else) turns me off.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 02, 2012 03:06 PM (dZ756)

66

A Christian or faith vote win.

LOL

Lefties will explode. Explode I tell ya.

Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 03:06 PM (LpQbZ)

67 The buzz is that Romney is attracting a whole bunch of young voters (ie under 30).

These types usually vote Dem, but with no jobs and 4 years of Obama BS, there will definitely be new young voters breaking for Romney and young previous-Obama voters doing so as well.

Posted by: Looking closely at November 02, 2012 03:07 PM (6Q9g2)

68
Ace,

Like I've said. There are a lot of us out there. We are quiet, we do not talk to people we do not know about politics.We do not talk to pollsters. We are not evangelicals either. But we can see what is happening. We started something in 2010. We intend to continue it in 2012.

We are pissed off! And we are going to vote.

Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at November 02, 2012 03:07 PM (zLp5I)

69
For what its worth, the affluent suburbs around Tampa/St Pete have swung to Romney.

My wife was blown away by the yard sings in South Tampa, and I was equally surprised by them around St Pete.

Posted by: MJ at November 02, 2012 03:07 PM (TR60b)

70 As Franklin Graham's last letter put it: This could be America's last call...

http://bitly.com/TWrlNd

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:07 PM (piMMO)

71 Undertow or tsunami. Both start out almost unnoticeable but then wipe you out.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:07 PM (94rak)

72 What is interesting about the University of Cincinnati poll is they have a sample size of over 1,000.

They come up with a tie--and I remember previously trying to step people through some strange modeling they were doing--really abysmal--and they are only coming up with a statistical tie.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:07 PM (r2PLg)

73 #15

If you can vote for a Muslim and/or someone who considers Jeremiah Wright to be their spiritual mentor, you should certainly be able to vote for a Mormon.

Posted by: Looking closely at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (PwGfd)

74 real joe

good thanks...haven't seen you in chat.....glad everythings good.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (Ho2rs)

75 This will not happen because peeple won't vote for somebody with a funny religion like Romney. As a devaut Christian people will migrate to President obama. Mark my worfs.....

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (48wze)

76 Posted by: pep at November 02, 2012 03:03 PM (YXmuI)

If true, then the Repub Senate CANDIDATES need to talk about this... and the Repub Party...

Put Harry up in an Ad.... showing his comment....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (lZBBB)

77 Well, I'm a democrat in Ohio and I'm not voting for Obama. Didn't the last time either. I'm one of those democrats that says lets do what's best for the country, not the party. There are nine in my immediate family, one a state worker, hubby's a union workerand one a Columbus city worker and they're not voting for Obama either. Also at my hubby's work, he'd say that at least half of those workers are voting.All Romney voters. And we have evangelicals, catholics, Witnesses and Mormons all in that family. And we're all sure on one thing, we can't afford 4 more years and even more importantly, we're MILITARY! What this assclown doesn't realize about the Libya fiasco is that both parties serve in the military and we don't like our supposed CIC leaving our men.

Posted by: armymom at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (ahrb1)

78 I really believe there is a 5-8% pissed off voters.... who are silent and not being represented in the polls... but WILL be voting.

That's one more factor yeah, people who are going Romney but are scared to mention it for fear of losing friends, getting attacked, even losing their job.

But in that voting booth, they're not going for Obama.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (r4wIV)

79 RoyalOil, you missed Samwise

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (94rak)

80 69
For what its worth, the affluent suburbs around Tampa/St Pete have swung to Romney.

My wife was blown away by the yard sings in South Tampa, and I was equally surprised by them around St Pete.

Posted by: MJ at November 02, 2012 03:07 PM (TR60b)

___________________

Well that and CENTCOM.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (r2PLg)

81 A Baptist golf buddy was absofuckinglutely thrilled when Bill Graham told Mitt that he would do anything he could to help. To place those full page ads a few weeks ago, just a few phone calls were needed to raise the money for them. $3.5 million raised in 15 minutes.

Evangelicals excited to vote for the Mormon? You bet.


Posted by: Bart at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (he2LC)

82 I have a fantasy. In my fantasy, Obama's thrown out of office, and then due to circumstances unclear he loses all of his money and security and is forced to take up residence with an army of mouth-breathing leftover Obama cultists move into his brother's hut in Nairobi.

FIFY!

Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (TULs6)

83 Unlike a wave, you aren't aware of the the undertow until it grabs you by the ankle and pulls you down.>>

I like the imagery better of a Great White Shark.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 02, 2012 03:08 PM (tf9Ne)

84 To echo what others have written I'm Catholic, I don't care if Mitt is Mormon. He can put Donny Osmond in his cabinet for all I care. Barry is a dedicated America hating commie. He must go

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:09 PM (1Jaio)

85 I really believe there is a 5-8% pissed off
voters.... who are silent and not being represented in the polls... but
WILL be voting. Posted by: Romeo13 at November 02, 2012 03:05 PM (lZBBB)

Oh, I think it is much closer to 10-15%. I saw people of all ages, color, and economic stations get in the Chick-fil-A lines that day. People are quietly saying to themselves, "Enough all ready! I want the JEF and his ugly wife gone."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 02, 2012 03:09 PM (kXoT0)

86 I still think Drudge should have kept the 'shitting in hallways' title.

It's punchier.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2012 03:09 PM (jo069)

87
Posted by: Kensington at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (Z7toi)



=============Skillets...now that's a good one

Posted by: concrete girl at November 02, 2012 03:09 PM (y2Ojs)

88 "Drudge has a link to Dingy Harry's comment that the Senate Dems won't
work with Romney. We need the Senate for many things, including
SC justices."

Meh, Romney will declare the Senate in recess. That's how it works, right?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 02, 2012 03:09 PM (dZ756)

89 There are Bishops and Priests saying on video....if you vote for people who hold intrinsically evil positions.. your soul is in jeopardy.
I have never seen that in my life.
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 02, 2012 02:59 PM (DGIjM)



Yep. And, on the flip side, the black parishes are pushing the O vote. But, then, they always have.

Bishops' letters from the moment obamacare passed (or even before) have been read in churches all across the nation. It's unprecedented.

Only very liberal "priests" and so forth have resisted.

Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (LpQbZ)

90 In the suburbs of Cook County, on my way to work this morning I noticed theRomney yard signs have exploded all over the neighborhood.

Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (TULs6)

91 #R60O40

I still believe.

I think one thing that hurt GOP in 2004/2008 is the competency thing that DNC was pushing since they lost 2000, that geee, Clinton (albeit through Gingrich's work and effort) did great things, right, while bush is doing nowhere as good as the DNC claimed they coulda done.

but now? dnc has no claim to competency.

Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (QxSug)

92 >>>>Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Teams Up With Mitt Romney's Hair to Defeat SCOAMF at November 02, 2012 03:02 PM (+AV7H)

So...you're undecided then.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (PHb2k)

93 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (8y9MW)

94 The buzz is that Romney is attracting a whole bunch of young voters (ie under 30).

I've said it before, but just look at the political landscape for the two parties right now. Which side has all the young up-and-comers? And which side is made up of a bunch of old fossils who wish they still lived in the sixties? Which side has the young, attractive, whipsmart VP candidate, and which side has a senile old man who has a tendency to dribble when he thinks too hard?

The rightwing is the wing of the future for young people today, not the left.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (4df7R)

95 I like the idea of zombie voters. And if they eat the brains of democrats, that would be a welcome bonus.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (jLiVY)

96 It's been known for a long, long time--

the swing vote is the white Catholic vote.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (r2PLg)

97 I thought maybe the signs were made by Fisker but it hasn't rained recently so that doesn't really explain it.

Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (TULs6)

98 I think picking a fight with Catholics via Obamacare will ultimately be Obama's undoing, and I've been saying so pretty much since it happened.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (B/VB5)

99 84 I'm Catholic, I don't care if Mitt is Mormon. He can put Donny Osmond in his cabinet for all I care.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:09 PM (1Jaio)

Ok... I laughed out loud at that. Donny Osmond in the cabinet. haha

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (DGIjM)

100 Meh, Romney will declare the Senate in recess. That's how it works, right?

---

I see executive orders to undo a lot of Obama's crap in our future.

Yucca Mountain, anyone?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (e0xKF)

101 RoyalOil-

Thanks for that list. Sounds like it's been a coupla years or so in the making???

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (wtvvX)

102 It makes sense that more people would come out. My dad forced my two brothers to finally register to vote and they have. I can't imagine they're the only people in the country who are now voting because Obama sucks so much.

Posted by: Snow Soul at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (qJlNG)

103 Can't believe I'm saying this, but I need a Jeff B. report to cheer me up.

Posted by: Rich at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (arczc)

104 As a matter of fact, I may give the brain eating zombie voters my sister in law's address.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (jLiVY)

105 #65

If you're Jewish, who do you want, Saudi King grovellor Obama, or old-palls with Netanyahu Romney?

The thread is about "new demographics"? This cycle, there are going to be a LOT of Jews who pull the "R" lever for the first time in their lives.

We'll see if Obama can beat Carter's standing record of worst ever percentage of Jewish votes for a Democrat.

Posted by: Looking closely at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (PwGfd)

106 And came in. And came in. And came in.

For me, that's Wednesday.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (5iuEW)

107 If the Republicans come up one short in their bid for the Senate, I think Manchin (assuming he's re-elected as expected) could be convinced to switch parties to get Harry "ILove to be Hated"Reid out of there.

Posted by: Pennypacker at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (x9s9/)

108 I can't imagine they're the only people in the country who are now voting because Obama sucks so much.


Yeah, I don't think it's a hidden conservative vote so much as Obama sucks ever more than me playing Halo and thus people are determined to get rid of him.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (VtjlW)

109 without competency, the non-affiliated conservative-ish voters may be thorougly displeased with obama to do what Ace suggests here.

I dunno, I think the D+9 polling is insane, it should be more like R+5, giving DRI of 35/40/25* with I's breaking SOLIDLY for Romney.

* sources needed.

Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (QxSug)

110 There's over 60,000 Amish in OH, and another 60,000 in PA. Usually they don't have an interest in elections, but this time its different...

...and they ain't gonna be voting Obama

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (URXKC)

111 "I could go look at the internals and probably find some problems
with their modeling but that seems to bore the hell out of everyone."

Besides, I already did that.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (dX4hn)

112 I don't care if Mitt is Mormon. He can put Donny Osmond in his cabinet for all I care.

He's probably more qualified than Obama's team of bumbling hapless fools. Talk about a clown car of radical leftist twits and ivory tower academic theorists.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (r4wIV)

113 Donnie Osmond for Secretary of Commerce.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (94rak)

114 #42: A skillet flying out of an asshole would be pretty painful, I think.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - counting the days at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (hLRSq)

115 Bishops' letters from the moment obamacare passed
(or even before) have been read in churches all across the nation. It's
unprecedented.



Only very liberal "priests" and so forth have resisted.

Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (LpQbZ)


That's been the problem with the Catholic vote and Catholics for years. Lefty priests and nuns pushing that social justice shit as religion. And no one calling them out on it for it. Too many Catholics have bought into the lies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (1Jaio)

116 To echo what others have written I'm Catholic, I don't care if Mitt is Mormon. He can put Donny Osmond in his cabinet for all I care. Barry is a dedicated America hating commie. He must go Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:09 PM (1Jaio)

Ditto, and THIS

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (sbV1u)

117 One other thing, I have never met an obnoxious Mormon--NEVER and I have met a lot of them. They are a very happy group of people.

I have met some super obnoxious Buddhists and Hindus--very holier than thou types.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (kXoT0)

118 With the Amish eschewing phones, they're not getting polled either.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (URXKC)

119 #320+ - You heard it here first.

Posted by: gogman at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (MqMvQ)

120 Phoenix, anyone, has Yankee fifth been spotted? I know he lives in lower Manhattan.

Posted by: real joe at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (WAX36)

121 another thing: the DNC's other other organized crime wing, ACORN has been somewhat deballed. This taxpayer funded voter fraud front for the DNC should therefore provide less fake votes this time around.

Right?

Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (QxSug)

122 The buzz is that Romney is attracting a whole bunch of young voters (ie under 30).


__________________

Who said that?

Have to look up thread but that's interesting was just about to post how according to the +1,000 polling --

Romney is getting 32% of the "Youth Vote"(18 to 29) in Ohio.

I'm almost positive that would be a higher percentage for Romney of the youth vote in Ohio than what McCain received.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (r2PLg)

123 I like the idea of zombie voters. And if they eat the brains of democrats, that would be a welcome bonus.
Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (jLiVY)


That would mean that democrats actually HAVE brains. Miracle!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (4df7R)

124 There's over 60,000 Amish in OH, and another 60,000 in PA. Usually they don't have an interest in elections, but this time its different...

Really?!? I don't think Amish vote nor concern themselves with 'English' politics.

Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (TULs6)

125
>> Night of the living dead

Rombies?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (Jm7mj)

126 Drudge's video link doesn't show ANY pooping- just people talking about pooping


I can get that at work

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (8sCoq)

127 We can't let Reid keep the Senate. People of Missouri, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Montana, wake the hell up!

Posted by: Rich at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (arczc)

128 Too many Catholics have bought into the lies Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (1Jaio)

Mostly because they're absolutely clueless about what their faith actually teaches.

I know, I was one of them.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (sbV1u)

129 I have met some super obnoxious Buddhists and Hindus--very holier than thou types.

---

Probably the kind of assholes like Richard Gere who expected to be able to preach non-violence after 9/11 and get a respectful response.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (e0xKF)

130 Hate to to use that worn out "anecdotal evidence" but if on Tuesday morning in Republican swing state areas we get shots of big lines for voting then I really think that's a tell- especially since the GOP vote ramps up later in the day after work.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (LuBkF)

131 MITT live again on FNC

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (8sCoq)

132

O, I hope so! I am aching to see Nate Silver made a laughingstock.

And, lose $2K.

NYTimes Pollster Nate Silver Offers to Bet $2,000 on Obama Win, Chided by Public Editor

Although, I don't know if ole Mornin' Joe was playing.

http://newsbusters.org/

Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (LpQbZ)

133 Nobody wins the presidency while losing independents this heavily. There's just no indicator that Obama can possibly win except for weird polling that the pollsters themselves say is so messed up its practically useless.

When logic, history, and common sense go up against polling - and the polling is self admitted trash - ignore the polls.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:15 PM (r4wIV)

134 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (94rak)



And they called it....Puppy Looovvvveeeee!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:15 PM (sbV1u)

135 Really?!? I don't think Amish vote nor concern themselves with 'English' politics.

They don't when they're left alone. Obama fucked up -- he didn't leave them alone.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 02, 2012 03:15 PM (URXKC)

136
I like the idea of zombie voters. And if they eat the brains of democrats, that would be a welcome bonus.
Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:10 PM (jLiVY)


That's just plain cruel, wanting us to starve like that!

Posted by: Zombie Defense League at November 02, 2012 03:15 PM (ggRof)

137 He can put Donny Osmond in his cabinet for all I care.

Geithner, Chu, Holder, Solis...Donny may not have a law degree, but at least he's not malevolent.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 02, 2012 03:15 PM (ZKzrr)

138 Oh_______ the one time I get cocky.

oops made a bad assumption.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:16 PM (r2PLg)

139 You do know of the joke about a zombie and a Democrat locked in a room don't you?

The zombie died of starvation.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:16 PM (94rak)

140 Mitt-burbia!

Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at November 02, 2012 03:16 PM (DQMcq)

141 One other thing, I have never met an obnoxious Mormon--NEVER and I have met a lot of them. They are a very happy group of people.

I have but on the whole they're a pretty good group of folks who are a positive effect on society, these days.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:16 PM (r4wIV)

142 Romney is getting 32% of the "Youth Vote"(18 to 29) in Ohio.



I bet Paul Ryan is helping with that.

Biden v Ryan

Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 03:16 PM (LpQbZ)

143 this late in the cycle, 49 - 49 means 51 -49 to the challenger.


Ras is using a D +5 sample

Posted by: Ben in Benghazi at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (Dll6b)

144 Geithner, Chu, Holder, Solis...Donny may not have a law degree, but at least he's not malevolent.

I bet Donny pays his taxes, too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (r4wIV)

145 then I really think that's a tell- especially since the GOP vote ramps up later in the day after work. Posted by: jjshaka at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (LuBkF)

Yup. Because Republicans actually have jobs.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (sbV1u)

146 125
>> Night of the living dead

Rombies?
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 02, 2012 03:14 PM (Jm7mj)
_________

Rombilies.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (r2PLg)

147 I'm one of those democrats that says lets do what's best for the country, not the party.

Considering the course of the last 12 years or so... if that's true, why are you still a Democrat?

This is a serious question, BTW.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (8y9MW)

148 LOL Sean

We need another BP clean-up, it came to the new thread.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (94rak)

149 Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:13 PM (1Jaio)

Amen to that. At my parish, we have a "social justice" troupe that meets with like-minded groups from other mostly-liberal local denominations. Pisses the hell outta me what drivel they concoct...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (wtvvX)

150 i don't think the amish vote....ever...don't think they'd register even if they got screwed with

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (Ho2rs)

151 BREAKING NEWS:

Retired education administrator Kay Edelman last seen falling from Golden Gate Bridge...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (BuSM8)

152 uh oh the genius is back

Posted by: JDP at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (60GaT)

153 Donny Osmund's best work, btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWc6QQ9JlMc

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (ZKzrr)

154
This storm is still gonna bite fly-in-fly-out Obumbler in the butt. He thinks a photo-op is gonna impress people.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (PHb2k)

155 They don't when they're left alone. Obama fucked up -- he didn't leave them alone.
I think I read something about the FDA (or whatever) raiding Amish farms over the whole 'raw milk' thing but really? What did he do to piss them off so bad they're taking sides?

Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (TULs6)

156 We need another BP clean-up, it came to the new thread. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (94rak)

Wow.

Ask and ye shall receive.

Bazinga!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (sbV1u)

157 My brother and SIL are evangelicals and live in the notthern Atlanta suburbs where there is a heavy evangelical vote. He says early voting there has been MASSIVE, with hour-long waits pretty much every day. He left three times and finally voted last night after waiting 45 minutes.

This is in GEORGIA.

Posted by: rockmom at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (aBlZ1)

158 >
I'm one of those democrats that says lets do what's best for the country, not the party.


So YOU'RE the one.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (8sCoq)

159 101
RoyalOil-

Thanks for that list. Sounds like it's been a coupla years or so in the making???


Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 02, 2012 03:11 PM (wtvvX)
=================Two, three weeks a month or so ago. We complain, but we do get a steady flow of trolls here.There's more, I just gave up.Hector ran away for a while, got pissed, "What, your life so pathetic you track hashes?"
Now, he's back. Using the same hashes. Less "Romney is the worst candidate ever!" and more "we're going to lose and I as a true conservative hate it" trolling now.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (imtbm)

160 Dream on losers. We need fore more years of Presadent Obama weather you clowns no it or not. Like Presadent obama has said several times..."You are juyst two stewpid to understand his plan" !!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (48wze)

161 God I hope so.
I hate that I'm resorting to hoping the polls are wrong. Did that last time.
But this time it's so much closer, polls only have to be wrong by 1% or 2% there. That can happen. That does happen.

Stay positive. Fight the evil Obama fuckers till the end. And then keep fighting.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (ZPrif)

162 Geithner, Chu, Holder, Solis...Donny may not have a law degree, but at least he's not malevolent.

I think he's not malevolent *because* he lacks a law degree.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 02, 2012 03:18 PM (B/VB5)

163 We need another BP clean-up, it came to the new thread.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:17 PM (94rak)


What is it even babbling about anyway? It's just a bunch of random words.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (4df7R)

164 The problem with a lot of Indian Hindus in America is that the upper caste guys are the ones who most often come to the US and they tend to have some serious 'tude. These are the guys that were the top of the top class in India and came to America to realize they were just ordinary people here - even a bit disadvantaged because they don't speak the language as well. That seems to make a lot of them very surly.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (r4wIV)

165 Just read in a NYT article about Romney gaining in PA that Planned Parenthood is leaving leaflets that look like an actual MEAT WALLET at the doorsteps of homes across the state. In it, women read that “Electing Mitt Romney could cost you $407,000.”

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (i0vBR)

166 38
IA, WI, OH, VA, CO, NH, ME2 for Romney.

This. That's my map, except I have Ohio as a tossup. (And not needed for 270.)

Posted by: P.M. at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (DEK54)

167 Look at me winning! Sure all my idiotic drivel gets deleted instantly but that just means I'm winning!

Posted by: Retard Poopchute Esq. at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (WMsq+)

168 41 >

Yeah. Hobos in piss-soaked pants that they scraped off a park bench and tossed in a van to go register and vote simultaneously.

"What's your name, sir?"

"Captain Frank. They said I could get a sandwich."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (BatdI)

169 My own anecdote to add to this - a friend of mine is a big social liberal, but she's supporting Romney for economic and foreign policy reasons - looks like the "war on women" line is failing.

Posted by: LP at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (pR8WM)

170 the Thing with 'independents' / 'undecideds' has been serious screwed up for the past two weeks. Indeps are one-third of the voters nationwide; if they are breaking strong for Romney ( as they are ), the polls are a joke

Posted by: Ben in Benghazi at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (Dll6b)

171 Hate to to use that worn out "anecdotal evidence" but if on Tuesday morning in Republican swing state areas we get shots of big lines for voting then I really think that's a tell- especially since the GOP vote ramps up later in the day after work.

***

I heard on the radio at lunch today that the County is closing the downtown DMV on Tues. and a few other downtown offices because they are expecting tons of traffice and "don't want traffic to be congested." I don't think that has ever happened.

Posted by: Infidel at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (O/fK8)

172 What's really gross is kbdabear was posting that the celebrities were holding this extravagant Halloween parties in Manhattan while the rest of the place was left in a shambles.

It's like some really bad movie.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (r2PLg)

173
The auto-banhammer, she canna take much more, Captain!

Posted by: Chief Engineer Scott at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (ggRof)

174 I don't know if you consider Southern Baptists as evangelicals, but the preacher at what I think is Jacksonville's second largest Baptist church was tearing it up this past Sunday. While he never directly said who to vote for! He did a good job of pushing voting and he laid out the issues in a way that clearly showed which choice he thought was preferable. If I remember correctly, he really hammered that they couldn't sit this one out.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque already voted for Romney/Ryan on Nov 1 at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (eQnzo)

175 MWR, at least a babbling brook is soothing. This is just annoying.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (94rak)

176 celebrities were holding *their* extravagant Halloween parties in Manhattan while the rest of the place was left in a shambles.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (r2PLg)

177 In it, women read that “Electing Mitt Romney could cost you $407,000.”

What's that, the cost of raising a baby to age 26?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (ZKzrr)

178 What is it even babbling about anyway? It's just a bunch of random words.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (4df7R)

Doesn't (IOWVc) belong to cat piss?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (i0vBR)

179
Is There a Hidden Conservative Vote Lurking Out There?
I pray and hope so. Because the MFM and their polls have got me worried about four more years under Obama.
Part of my brain says that there is no way the polls are accurate. O has lost support, and Republicans are going to support Romney much more enthusiastically than McCain. It defies logic that Romney wouldn't be ahead of Obama.

Posted by: California Red at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (Ho3p+)

180 Donnie Osmond for Secretary of Smooth

Posted by: H Badger at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (n/0Nw)

181 "23 There are Bishops and Priests saying on video....if you vote for people who hold intrinsically evil positions.. your soul is in jeopardy."

Ever since TFG mandated that the Catholic Church's insurance must provide free birth control and abortion pills, the Bishops and priests, including the social justice ones, have been hitting back hard. The recent videos aren't new, for months now there have been sermons, articles in Sunday bulletins, and articles in diocesan periodicals.

I believe that the archbishops were told during the Obamacare debate, that they wouldn't be forced to go against Catholic teaching. Then Sandra the Slut Fluke came forward, and TFG stabbed them in the back. Even the liberal ones are pissed. I haven't seen them hit an issue this hard. They were pushing on this back in August.

They're also getting disgusted with the GOP War on Women meme, which is actually full blown pro abortionism. They asked for that one, because anyone with half a brain knew that TFG is extremely pro abortion.

I wish they would put an interdict on Pelosi's congressional district, but you can't have everything.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (jLiVY)

182 looks like the "war on women" line is failing.
Posted by: LP at November 02, 2012 03:19 PM (pR8WM)


After a while, even idiot women who vote Democrat get sick of being identified solely by their genitalia.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (4df7R)

183 To Sean Bannion and Tex Lovera,




I know what you're talking about. My Catholic high school religion classes were all about racism and sexism. Not a peep about the religion itself. Thankfully I found a church with the Latin Mass.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (1Jaio)

184 Yeah, the "flamboyant" pastor of my father's church has been really snarky about the Bishop's letters and admonitions all election season, consistently claiming that he can't include their letters in the church's bulletins because they keep missing the print deadline.

It's laughable. He could be printing the letters a week late in that case; instead he just includes a bitchy comment about going to the bishop's website if you're interested in hearing what they have to say.

I'll be curious to see if he reads the letter this weekend.

Posted by: Kensington at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (Z7toi)

185 Here's the deal: it's the liberals and lefties who make Romney's Mormonism an issue. They think ANY faith is freaky, so add in the "magic underwear" and multiple wives, and Mormonism is extra freaky. Hence, nobody they know would vote for him.

Conservatives don't see the Mormonism as the issue. Sure, I still think it's a nutty cult founded by a 19th century con artists, but because his job as president isn't to proselytize, I don't care. His job is to preserve, protect and defend the Union. And after the shellacking we've been getting from Obama and the left for 4 years, especially the attacks on religious liberty through Obamacare, neither do most people of faith.

It's gonna happen, and it will be because the idiot Christians who stayed home "in protest" in 2008 realize just how screwed they'll be if Obama gets another 4 years.

Posted by: dsm at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (1pQ2K)

186
Yep. And, on the flip side, the black parishes are pushing the O vote. But, then, they always have.


****

Not all of them: http://bit.ly/TiIy4X

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (piMMO)

187 I have been working GOTV in a semi-rural area of VA for the last few elections. A lot of Amish-type sects here. I always HATE having to knock on their doors because they show little, if any, interest in elections.

All I can say is that this year THEY are approaching ME. They are fired up and will be out in full force. They have no love for my Church (popery!!!) and they themselves are exempt from Obamacare, but by God they know a threat to religious liberty when they see one.

Their numbers are small, of course, but ----- who knows what kind of undercurrent they might represent?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (C8mVl)

188 Doesn't (IOWVc) belong to cat piss?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane


No, that one's Erg.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (jo069)

189 What's that, the cost of raising a baby to age 26?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (ZKzrr)

Julia can sell her virginity to pay off her student loans.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (i0vBR)

190 Whoever mentioned the Amish vote - it is real and huge in PA and Ohio. They are furious at the Obama administration for FDA rules that forced them to stop selling unpasteurized milk and also cracked down on their sales of homemade pies. This is the first time the Amish have ever confronted an intrusive government that has hurt them financially.

Paul Ryan is stopping today in Harrisburg, which is not far from Amish country. Mitt Romney is coming to Bucks County on Sunday and they are expecting a gigantic crowd for that. The headlines Monday are going to be about Romney/Ryan in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: rockmom at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (aBlZ1)

191 Back from the Early Voter Experience.
Two out of the three people in front of me were illiterate and voting for the first time. They had no problems registering and getting the help they needed to vote 'this bastard out'.
Word from the attendants was that early voting numbers were way up in our county. 10k plus already in.

Posted by: garrett at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (nl7TV)

192 In it, women read that “Electing Mitt Romney could cost you $407,000.”

I just don't see how that's going to reach anyone. People are going to read that and think "well I don't have that much money so they are SOL."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (r4wIV)

193 "After a while, even idiot women who vote Democrat get sick of being identified solely by their genitalia."
==========

HELLO!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke, Suddenly Barging Through the Door at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (Z7toi)

194 In it, women read that “Electing Mitt Romney could cost you $407,000.”

What's that, the cost of raising a baby to age 26?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (ZKzrr)


Rubbers.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (QKKT0)

195 OT, but if you need a good laugh and are not in New York, here's Shirley Q. Liquor's take on Hurricane Sandy's aftermath this morning.

http://tinyurl.com/a8ogvso

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (dMOnq)

196
as someone said yesterday: "Two words: Chick-fil-a"

Posted by: California Red at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (Ho3p+)

197 Perhaps this might help show how bad an idea having the marathon is in New York City.

What Bloomberg is doing, if put in New Orleans terms, would be for Nagin to have Mardi Gras while people were still trapped in the Superdome after Katrina.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (94rak)

198 No, that one's Erg.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (jo069)

It's been so long. How did he get unbanned?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (i0vBR)

199 MWR, at least a babbling brook is soothing. This is just annoying.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:20 PM (94rak)


True. So very very true.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:23 PM (4df7R)

200 Doesn't (IOWVc) belong to cat piss?

Nope. S/h/it is oZfic.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 02, 2012 03:23 PM (8y9MW)

201
I hope there is some sort of R/R wave out there. It has been no picnic the last four year and it is decidedly worse this year. We have our own business and have hired a fraction of thecontractors that we have had in the past and I've watched our free cash start to alarmingly dip.

This year, I'm remembering those who were there to do the right thing at election time. I don't think I'll forget soon.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 02, 2012 03:23 PM (l3vZN)

202 198 Perhaps this might help show how bad an idea having the marathon is in New York City.

What Bloomberg is doing, if put in New Orleans terms, would be for Nagin to have Mardi Gras while people were still trapped in the Superdome after Katrina.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (94rak)

____________

Jezzuz that hits it.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:23 PM (r2PLg)

203 I'll be curious to see if he reads the letter this weekend

---

Go to the Bishop's website, grab a copy of it, and bring it with you.

If he pulls that shit again, I recommend standing up, saying you have a copy on it, and asking him to read it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 02, 2012 03:23 PM (e0xKF)

204 I don't know if you consider Southern Baptists as evangelicals, but the
preacher at what I think is Jacksonville's second largest Baptist church
was tearing it up this past Sunday. While he never directly said who to
vote for! He did a good job of pushing voting and he laid out the
issues in a way that clearly showed which choice he thought was
preferable. If I remember correctly, he really hammered that they
couldn't sit this one out.


***

trinity?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:23 PM (piMMO)

205 As Franklin Graham's last letter put it: This could be America's last call...

http://bitly.com/TWrlNd

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:07 PM (piMMO)



CK does a good job with his latest post, too.

http://tinyurl.com/ay6twvx

excerpt

The choice

Should they summon the skill and dexterity, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan could guide the country to the restoration of a more austere and modest government with more restrained entitlements and a more equitable and efficient tax code. Those achievements alone would mark a new trajectory — a return to what Reagan started three decades ago.

Every four years we are told that the coming election is the most important of one’s life. This time it might actually be true. At stake is the relation between citizen and state, the very nature of the American social contract.


Posted by: 4 days at November 02, 2012 03:24 PM (LpQbZ)

206 Mitt is a steel fist in a velvet glove- loving this speech

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:24 PM (8sCoq)

207 "Evangelicals will turn out for Romney very heavily, because he appears to be what he is... a man of real faith. "

His families' involvement in missions, and tithing speaks to evangelical protestants.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:24 PM (jLiVY)

208 191 Back from the Early Voter Experience.
Two out of the three people in front of me were illiterate and voting for the first time. They had no problems registering and getting the help they needed to vote 'this bastard out'.
Word from the attendants was that early voting numbers were way up in our county. 10k plus already in.
Posted by: garrett at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (nl7TV)

________________

Sweet.

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (r2PLg)

209 My pastor had never directly encouraged voting until this election cycle.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (YjDyJ)

210 Oh Erggie's mad.

Poor Erggie.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (jo069)

211 Perhaps this might help show how bad an idea having the marathon is in New York City.



What Bloomberg is doing, if put in New Orleans terms, would be for
Nagin to have Mardi Gras while people were still trapped in the
Superdome after Katrina.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (94rak)


***

I was disappointed to hear that Rudy was on CNBC supporting Bloomie's decision.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (piMMO)

212 As a devout conservative Catholic I feel it is my duty to play the Morman Card 24/7 until my Lord and Savior Barack Obama is immaculated a second time.

And the race card.

*sniff*

Is it getting hot in here?

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (Z7toi)

213 This should make BCochran laugh like a sick braying donkey. My hash tag has changed again - 94rak

Yeah I am now tagged as a 'rak'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (94rak)

214 Paul Ryan is stopping today in Harrisburg, which is not far from Amish country. Mitt Romney is coming to Bucks County on Sunday and they are expecting a gigantic crowd for that. The headlines Monday are going to be about Romney/Ryan in Pennsylvania.

My sister is so bummed that she can't go see Ryan tomorrow in Middletown.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (4df7R)

215 @202, indeed! I hope that we can sweep most of the Senate races at this point. I guess Allen is a lock but poor Bongino not so much...unless all the libs who would never vote for a republican in my state will vote for the dark horse 3rd candidate, Sobiphjani or whatever his name is...leading to Bongo's win by a plurality of Md voters.

That'd be my ultimate dipping goodness for 2012.

Posted by: joeindc44 will start talking like biden. like. biden. at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (QxSug)

216 I dunno guys. this demented babbling from the lefty troll has got me nervous

Posted by: JDP at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (60GaT)

217 Two out of the three people in front of me were illiterate and voting
for the first time. They had no problems registering and getting the
help they needed to vote 'this bastard out'.


They may be illiterate, but they're not stupid.

Posted by: real joe at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (WAX36)

218 The other stealth vote in PA is the Catholic vote. Very big in Philly and the suburbs. The new Archbishop in Philly is very political and is telling his priests to GOTV. A brand new mega-Catholic church down the street from me has a big display of crosses with a sign saying "One Cross For Every One Million Abortions Since 1973 - Vote Life."

Posted by: rockmom at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (aBlZ1)

219 it's not supposed to be in the bulletin...it's supposed to be read from the pulpit

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (Ho2rs)

220 After a while, even idiot women who vote Democrat get sick of being identified solely by their genitalia.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:21 PM (4df7R)
_____________________________________

That's what I've been hoping. Seriously, even if you are a pro-choice woman, how are you not offended by Dems' claims that the GOP is waging a "war on women" by... being pro-life? I"m pretty sure the pro-life/pro-choice policy battle lines have been drawn for a while, and there are plenty of women on both sides.

It's this urgent need by Dems to demonize their opponents' policy views as somehow immoral, corrupt, or anti--[insert group here] that is the most annoying.

On the flipside, I'm glad that Romney has attacked Obama for his policies being wrong and yielding terrible results, not simply casting them as evil or anti-[insert group here].

Posted by: LP at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (pR8WM)

221 My Catholic pastor is an old Democrat from Brooklyn. Four years ago, he was talking about Hope and Change.

He got up a few weeks ago and declared that he is now a Conservative.

There was lots of handshaking after Mass. For years I have resisted saying "So Father, how's that hope and change working for you?"

LOL

Posted by: Bart at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (he2LC)

222 There are Bishops and Priests saying on video....if you vote for people who hold intrinsically evil positions.. your soul is in jeopardy.

That's consistent with Roman Catholic Theology. There certainly is something to be worried about in your faith if you vote for someone who holds evil, anti-Christian positions on purpose.

Sure, I still think it's a nutty cult founded by a 19th century con artists, but because his job as president isn't to proselytize, I don't care.

"I'd sooner be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian."
-Martin Luther

Oh, and Turk back then meant Muslim. And he was right; if you can do the job properly I don't really care what your faith is. Most of them lie about their Christianity to begin with. Bush the younger was a Christian but I have serious doubts about Clinton and am certain Obama is not.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (r4wIV)

223 People are going to read that...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (r4wIV)

Yeah, I'm not sure I'd read anything that was written on a vagina. I'd think it was spam.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (i0vBR)

224 NYC Marathon -- The Hunger Game

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (kXoT0)

225 In it, women read that “Electing Mitt Romney could cost you $407,000.”What's that, the cost of raising a baby to age 26?

Sandra Fluke's birth control tab. She sure as hell ain't paying herself and all her boyfriends are broke so, we gonna need that Obama stash.

Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (TULs6)

226 >What Bloomberg is doing, if put in New Orleans terms, would be for Nagin
to have Mardi Gras while people were still trapped in the Superdome
after Katrina.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:22 PM (94rak)




He admired the cut of her jib, wondering if she had a newsletter.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (8sCoq)

227 @Royal Oil - "We complain, but we do get a steady flow of trolls here."

Success breeds parasites....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 02, 2012 03:27 PM (wtvvX)

228 Yeah I am now tagged as a 'rak'


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (94rak)

Go on.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 02, 2012 03:27 PM (QKKT0)

229 Jeez! 7 robo calls today alone! The last one was from Clint Eastwood, though, so that was a pleasure.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 02, 2012 03:27 PM (l3vZN)

230 224 NYC Marathon -- The Hunger Game
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (kXoT0)

_______________

omg.

Running Man?

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:27 PM (r2PLg)

231 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (94rak)

Well, hello!

Gonna show us the 94 rack?

Wow, you'd need a wheelbarrow for those.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:28 PM (sbV1u)

232 >>They may be illiterate, but they're not stupid.

They weren't dressed like they were 'impotent', though.

Posted by: punchlines r us at November 02, 2012 03:28 PM (nl7TV)

233 So women are more worried about economic prosperity than free contraception. Who would have guessed.

Posted by: real joe at November 02, 2012 03:28 PM (WAX36)

234 Chaput in Philly? Enjoy him while you can. When Benedict "goes home to the Lord", Chaput may get the big job in Rome.

Posted by: Bart at November 02, 2012 03:28 PM (he2LC)

235 This should make BCochran laugh like a sick braying donkey. My hash tag has changed again - 94rakYeah I am now tagged as a 'rak'
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:25 PM (94rak)


You must have bribed the Hash Tag Fairy or something. First +SmuD, now 94rak? LUCKY.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:28 PM (4df7R)

236 133

That's a sucker bet, and Silver knows it.

Intrade offers 2:1 right now on Romney.

Why should anyone take 1:1 odds from Silver (which he could immediately arbitrage)? Silver says Obama has a 75% chance of winning, he should offer 3:1 odds.

If he does, I'll put $666 against his $2000 right now.



Posted by: Looking closely at November 02, 2012 03:28 PM (PwGfd)

237 it's the liberals and lefties who make Romney's Mormonism an issue. They think ANY faith is freaky

OTOH, they have great faith that totalitarian collectivism/eco-fascism and its meaningless rituals will change the weather.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 02, 2012 03:28 PM (ZKzrr)

238 "Photos: Romney Draws Thousands in Wisconsin"- http://bit.ly/RATM2W

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 02, 2012 03:29 PM (YjDyJ)

239 Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (TULs6)

I envy your hashtag--since I live in Tulsa! I will trade you mind and throw in a leftover bag of Halloween cancy.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 02, 2012 03:29 PM (kXoT0)

240 Mitt's religion is Mormon, Barry's religion is Marxism. It's an easy choice

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:29 PM (1Jaio)

241 We have our own business and have hired a fraction of thecontractors that we have had in the past and I've watched our free cash start to alarmingly dip

If President Obama gets 4 more years, I foresee a huge number of small businesses just boarding up the shop and quitting. And more than small businesses.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:29 PM (r4wIV)

242 I'm protestant Christian, albeit not a very good one, and I am confounded by the support Democratic policies and programsreceive from various Christian communities and organizations. I see Catholics supporting Obama, the single most pro-abortion national politician in American history. I see Rick Warren, a nationally known evangelical pastor, supporting Obama's candidacy and even recently making pointed remarks at the differences between Mormons and evangelicals (usually revolving around belief in the Trinity). I see nuns going on television to decry Romney's supposed lack of empathy and compassion.

I don't get it. What are they thinking? Did they really believe Obama's promises regarding religious exemptions in Obamacare? Did they really believe Obama, a believer in third trimester, point-of-birth abortions, would somehow soften his stance? And have black ministers noted that the abortion rate for minority women in NYC, for example,is running at 42%? Didn't they hear the boos for God at the Democratic convention? I mean, Jesus Christ, and I'm not invoking His name as an expletive.

So if evangelicals and Catholics are coming out for Romney, good. Better late than never, I suppose.

Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2012 03:29 PM (vtiE6)

243 NYC Marathon -- The Hunger Game


****

NYC Marathon > The Hunger Game

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:29 PM (piMMO)

244
NYC Marathon - Death Race 2000

Posted by: Chief Engineer Scott at November 02, 2012 03:29 PM (ggRof)

245
Ace -- no matter how this election turns out, you have been doing really amazing work. You have been a clear-eyed, honest cheerleader for us conservatives -- and, even better, you have been a master mocker of the Democrats and the media.
Now, having gotten my shameless sucking up out of the way, I guess I am slightly less optimistic than you (but still optimistic!). I think Romney has a good chance of winning -- and, if I had to bet, I would bet Romney wins a very, very close election. But, I am not sure that the polls are missing any supersecret stealth Romney support. I suppose on the margins some support may not be counted, but that is what margins of error are for.
Which leads to my point. At best, Romney is slightly ahead, and at worst he is within the margin of error. So, even if he is not technically ahead at the moment -- we can win this thing if we push hard for the next few days. I have been working early voting sites in NC, and I am working them again tomorrow and on election day. In North Carolina, Obama only won by 14,000 votes in '08. We should win here this time, but we have to keep pressing. If Morons in Ohio, Wisconsin, Nevada, Iowa, New Hampshire, Maine, Mich. and Penn. volunteer to make phone calls and work the polls, I think we will pull this off.
I don't mean to sound like a cheap coach, but I can't do anything more about the polls. I can do something to help the campaign. Will it make a difference -- maybe not, but it can't hurt.

Posted by: nc at November 02, 2012 03:29 PM (Cxl7g)

246 Obama's campaign is pinin' for the fjords.

Posted by: sherlock at November 02, 2012 03:30 PM (81ia8)

247 Like I said before, I work in healthcare and we have some Amish patients. Yea, they're voting. My brother is a Jevohah Witness and he hasn't voted in years, he's voting for Romney.

Posted by: armymom at November 02, 2012 03:30 PM (ahrb1)

248 When Benedict "goes home to the Lord", Chaput may get the big job in Rome. Posted by: Bart at November 02, 2012 03:28 PM (he2LC)

Dolan is still an option. I'd say he has more of an inside track than Chaput - who I think the world of.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:30 PM (sbV1u)

249
it's the liberals and lefties who make Romney's Mormonism an issue. They think ANY faith is freaky

They have no probelm with Islamo-fascists or America Hating Preachers from the south side.

Posted by: California Red at November 02, 2012 03:30 PM (Ho3p+)

250 >Chaput in Philly? Enjoy him while you can. When Benedict "goes home to the Lord", Chaput may get the big job in Rome.


Wow. That's like on of those clandestine messages from BBC London during the war.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:30 PM (8sCoq)

251 Evangelicals have no problem with Romney and in fact are enthusiastic about him. Not sure where the "E's won't go for the Mormon" meme came from, but definitely not from the real world.

Posted by: Cricket at November 02, 2012 03:30 PM (DrC22)

252 "67 The buzz is that Romney is attracting a whole bunch of young voters (ie under 30). "

Back a couple years ago when I went to tea party rallies, there were young guys who looked to be early twenties attending and really enthusiastic.
There were also a lot of young couples with young kids.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:31 PM (jLiVY)

253 Romney's stump speeches keep getting better and better. He is fantastic!

Meanwhile GumpyDIckshits Ofucktard is still saying "WE CUM WAI TOO FER TU TERN BECK NAOH!"

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at November 02, 2012 03:31 PM (ovpNn)

254 I was nervous this morning.
Then I saw this

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/156589/

I'm no longer nervous.

Posted by: bigpale at November 02, 2012 03:31 PM (O0qrH)

255 Yeah, I'm not sure I'd read anything that was written on a vagina. I'd think it was spam.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (i0vBR)


If I got anything that looked like a letter written on a facsimile of my ladyparts on my front stoop, I'd call the cops.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:31 PM (4df7R)

256 I still like--

NYC Marathon_-The Running Man

Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:31 PM (r2PLg)

257 " I don't know if you consider Southern Baptists as evangelicals."

If they're not, I don't know who is.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:31 PM (i0vBR)

258 QuietMan: you're lucky to have found a church that still offers the Latin MAss. No such luck here.

My Mom was overjoyed to have a fairly new parish church open up back home that was traditionally conservative with the Latin Mass. And they had a hell of a lot of folks join the parish, so much that they had to expand the school after only a few years!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 02, 2012 03:31 PM (wtvvX)

259 We have our own business and have hired a fraction of thecontractors
that we have had in the past and I've watched our free cash start to
alarmingly dip


If President Obama gets 4 more years, I foresee a huge number of
small businesses just boarding up the shop and quitting. And more than
small businesses.


****

I posted this in the comments last week, but don't this it ever made it into an actual post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEhvF8b8Mrgfeature=youtu.be

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:32 PM (piMMO)

260 An American Pope? Color me extremely skeptical.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:32 PM (r4wIV)

261 I'm not much of a social conservative, but I do feel that there is a strong sentiment under the surface against Obama in 2012 that wasn't there in 2008 for those in the faith-based community. I think Obama's support of gay marriage has a lot to do with it.

My pastor, for instance, is usually very tepid about ever getting political, but it's clear he's REALLY pushing for change in the White House, and I think a lot of Churches are realizing this is one of those "speak now or forever hold your peace" type moments.

Posted by: McAdams at November 02, 2012 03:32 PM (plgt6)

262 Yeah. Coeds.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 02, 2012 03:32 PM (UhXzR)

263 Bazinga on the gazongas right Sean?

Methinks the Hash Tag Fairy is being impish with these. Not that I am complaining, much. -mutter grumble- But hey its all good fun. *looks around* Right?

And Cicero, I do not think you would like it if it went on and on...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:32 PM (94rak)

264 An American Pope? Color me extremely skeptical. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:32 PM (r4wIV)

It's a long shot like it always is.

But I think it might be time. We'll see.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:33 PM (sbV1u)

265 "I see executive orders to undo a lot of Obama's crap in our future. "

I would think that executive orders from Obama can be undone with executive orders from a new president.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:33 PM (jLiVY)

266 Bazinga on the gazongas right Sean? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:32 PM (94rak)

Yes, dear. I am a Moron after all.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 02, 2012 03:34 PM (sbV1u)

267 The buzz is that Romney is attracting a whole bunch of young voters (ie under 30). "


****

BOR's guy was doing man on the street interviews on Halloween and interviewed a bunch of young people. I was surprised how many were eager to vote for Romney.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 02, 2012 03:34 PM (piMMO)

268 Okay, now IOWVc is socking TheQuietMan? Banhammer.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:34 PM (4df7R)

269 Soylent Green - Its made of marathoners.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:34 PM (94rak)

270 I was talking to a friend last weekend. Her 84 mother and her sister in law have never voted. They heard on the local news about Benghazi (they are near Jacksonville.) They asked her about how to register to vote. My friend took them to register and vote early.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at November 02, 2012 03:34 PM (7DjJ0)

271
Ate lunch at a Jewish deli in North Palm Beach today and the conversation around my table was voting for Romney because Obama failed the economic test of lower unemployment, reduced taxes, and cutting spending. Very surprising comments from this crowd?

Oh yeah....corned beef on rye with Russian dressing and root beer.
And a black and white for dessert.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 02, 2012 03:34 PM (lDWQr)

272 Is it safe?

Posted by: Szell at November 02, 2012 03:35 PM (MpT3b)

273 There were also a lot of young couples with young kids.

Which makes sense. They're the ones gonna get stuck paying for Obama's proligate waste.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 02, 2012 03:35 PM (ZKzrr)

274 Profligate.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 02, 2012 03:36 PM (ZKzrr)

275 Especially civil rights.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:34 PM (IOWVc)



Banhammer time

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2012 03:36 PM (1Jaio)

276 If I got anything that looked like a letter written on a facsimile of my ladyparts on my front stoop, I'd call the cops.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at November 02, 2012 03:31 PM (4df7R)

I kinda wanna dress like Code Pink taco and go knock on doors in the Philly burbs just to mess with them.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:36 PM (i0vBR)

277 245

Do your work, of course, but Romney has NC entirely sewed up by now.

I don't think anybody except maybe the most delusional partisans on Kos seriously thinks Obama has the proverbial snowballs's chance in hell of winning there this cycle, including his own campaign.

Put it this way, if after four years in this economy, Obama hasn't lost 1% support in NC since 2008, its over before its begun.

That even supposes that NC, as a whole, doesn't prefer Romney to McCain, bringing out more voters, and I'm pretty sure it does.

Romney will take NC by at least 5 points, and you can take that to the bank.


Posted by: Looking closely at November 02, 2012 03:36 PM (6Q9g2)

278 NHL cancels Winter Classic

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:36 PM (8sCoq)

279 I'm totally scary smart.

So, what's this "hash" everyone keeps talking about?

Posted by: Retard Poopchute Esq. at November 02, 2012 03:36 PM (WMsq+)

280 #271 Was it Two Jays?


Posted by: Looking closely at November 02, 2012 03:37 PM (6Q9g2)

281 "I've said it before, but just look at the political landscape for the two parties right now. Which side has all the young up-and-comers?"

And which side has smart, attractive women holding office? It seems like every time you turn around another one is being interviewed on Fox News.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:37 PM (jLiVY)

282 I've converted our entire graphics staff of 20-somethings to vote Romney...not that it will matter in California...or will it?

Posted by: watchtheface at November 02, 2012 03:37 PM (ROdby)

283 The letter from my bishop could have been written 5 years ago, 10 years ago, or twenty. It was the same wishy-washy splitting the difference of "Yes, abortion is truly unjust. And here are a whole bunch of other injustices in the world...(followed by the usual liberal laundry list of complaints)." There are many good ones out there, but in the main the Catholic heirarchy is still joined at the hip with the Democrat party. Dolan being Exhibit A.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 02, 2012 03:37 PM (nZvGM)

284 IOWVc is socking everyone. That's how he rolls.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 02, 2012 03:37 PM (i0vBR)

285 He got up a few weeks ago and declared that he is now a Conservative.

Four years ago the priest in our parish (I'm a CINO) was an alcoholic, diabetic liberal who took the parish and the new church into enormous debt. Needless to say, that's not a healthy combination, so he's now departed. As in six feet under, not transferred.

Replaced by a conservative who is bringing everything back into reality.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 02, 2012 03:37 PM (feFL6)

286 Self-inflicted stupidity

Posted by: IOWVc at November 02, 2012 03:38 PM (wtvvX)

287 I am voting against Obama. Romney just happens to be the one getting my vote.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 02, 2012 03:38 PM (SkyIE)

288 I would think that executive orders from Obama can be undone with executive orders from a new president.

If they choose to, yes but its pretty rare to have much reversed from previous presidents.

The Tea Party rallies around our place had lots of little kids and young people, especially high school age - now voters. A fairly large group of younger guys had a Gadsden flag each time. There were a lot of older folks too but plenty of younger.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:38 PM (r4wIV)

289 @254

Wow...

Thanks for posting that. I too was starting to feel a little less confident, but that analysis put things into perspective.

Posted by: Gran at November 02, 2012 03:38 PM (bP+57)

290 I don't know about this Amish business. I don't quite buy that they're mostly even aware there is an election.

But if somehow Obama's agencies made a few too many raids and manage to piss them off, it could be big. I could see a group like them having 99.5% turnout if they do decide as a community to vote.

Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:38 PM (TULs6)

291 147. Well perhaps I should say that up until the primary, I was a democrat for over 35 years. But in Ohio, you are "labeled" whatever you last voted as and since I voted in the primaries as a republican, then I'm considered a republican. But what I'm trying to say is that we usually voted for democrats at the local level. This time, for the first time, we're voting all R's.

Posted by: armymom at November 02, 2012 03:39 PM (ahrb1)

292 NHL cancels Winter Classic

Dammit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 02, 2012 03:39 PM (w+lzM)

293
Was it Two Jays?

Posted by: Looking closely at November 02, 2012 03:37 PM (6Q9g2)


Yes it was and the food was great!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 02, 2012 03:39 PM (lDWQr)

294 I'm sure Anna's rak is at least a 9.4.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:40 PM (r4wIV)

295 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 02, 2012 03:32 PM (94rak)

Hmmm..... 94 Rak...

Is that a well endowed 20 year old? or maybe some 20 yeal old Bolt ons?

/just kid'n

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 02, 2012 03:40 PM (lZBBB)

296 Remember the Hate Chicken lines? Yeah, its gonna be like that.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 02, 2012 03:41 PM (UU0OF)

297 294 I'm sure Anna's rak is at least a 9.4.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:40 PM (r4wIV)

Awwww.... much better than I was reaching for.... /smile

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 02, 2012 03:41 PM (lZBBB)

298 Ho ho ha ha hee hee ho ho

the horses are coming in my mouth

ho ho ha ha hee hee ho ho

Posted by: Retard Poopchute Esq. at November 02, 2012 03:41 PM (WMsq+)

299 http://amishamerica.com/do-the-amish-ca



http://tinyurl.com/bju7ohy

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 02, 2012 03:41 PM (URXKC)

300 It's rather interesting to read. Ace is a professing atheist but he and others of that bent are quietly relying on believers to save their bacon. There is so much that unbelievers don't comprehend about the faith. Maybe this is a time for him to take a few mins and actually research, reason, analyze and gather wisdom to live by instead of trusting what he reads (which is biased) and how he processes what that biased reading affects his opinions. He may find out that there is a whole other world out there other than a NY based, media presupposed bias, personally affected to the other side of the coin. But he would have to be ready to open to that and think independently. I fear he would not. So I enjoy what he posts and chalk it up to he worldview.

Posted by: buffy at November 02, 2012 03:42 PM (INAPN)

301 Of course..... my hash? as someone pointed out....

Bezlbubb? (I know, slightly mispelled...)

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 02, 2012 03:42 PM (lZBBB)

302 Mr. IOWVc posting from 157.178.2.1 apparently wants attention.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 02, 2012 03:42 PM (XkotV)

303 Ruprecht is a better name for this troll. The guy they had to put an eyepatch on and a cork on his fork to keep him from hurting himself.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:42 PM (r4wIV)

304 who has the thankless task of ridding the website of assholes like IOWVc?
or is it automated?

Posted by: LRBnSC at November 02, 2012 03:42 PM (Qp3K5)

305 CNBC cant understand why the street isnt bullish from the jobs report.

CNBC's bubble is only slightly less translucent than MSNBC's. These people would wind up drowning in their own feces if fixing the problem meant buying drain cleaner from Home Depot.

Posted by: VJay at November 02, 2012 03:42 PM (q5NFp)

306 http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-vote/

"Amish do take some interest in national elections. George Bush attempted to tap into Amish interest in 2004,
when he visited both Lancaster County and Holmes County, Ohio during
his re-election campaign to ask for Amish and Mennonite support.

Hurst and McConnell report that in 2004, 43% of Holmes County Amish
were registered to vote, though only 13% did so, with most selecting
Bush (An Amish Paradox, Hurst and McConnell, p 267).

Amish have been termed “armchair Republicans”, and are seen to be
more sympathetic to the Republican party due to a perception of it as
one more concerned with religion and traditional values. Though voting
is not common, some Amish follow political news and many have and share
opinions on politics and politicians."

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 02, 2012 03:43 PM (URXKC)

307 buffy: Ace used to consider himself a Christian, and understands the faith and the worldview pretty well.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:43 PM (r4wIV)

308 "hots of big lines for voting then I really think that's a tell- especially since the GOP vote ramps up later in the day after work.
Posted by: jjshaka"

The democrat party welfare vote isn't going to be lined up at 9 A. M.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 02, 2012 03:43 PM (jLiVY)

309 Man- how much easier would my life be if I were Amish...

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:45 PM (8sCoq)

310 So Poopchute's in Illinois. I'm shocked.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at November 02, 2012 03:46 PM (WMsq+)

311 If the Republicans come up one short in their bid
for the Senate, I think Manchin (assuming he's re-elected as expected)
could be convinced to switch parties to get Harry "ILove to be
Hated"Reid out of there.

Posted by: Pennypacker at November 02, 2012 03:12 PM (x9s9/)

The "independent" who is likely to win in Maine might be persuadable, too, if the price is right. I doubt he'd be any less reliable than Snow was.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 02, 2012 03:47 PM (qEkGZ)

312 Don't want to start a religious flame war, but I do have a question....Aren't Mormons technically Christians? Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and all? Honestly, I don't know much about Mormonism except the no-alcohol rule (which rules me out). FWIW, I'm Roman Catholic.
I always tell my anti-religious leftard "friends" that I'd rather vote for the Mormon over the Muslim. Freaks 'em out every time.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 02, 2012 03:48 PM (YmPwQ)

313 Staten Island hotel owner says NY marathon runners not welcome

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:49 PM (8sCoq)

314 As for conservative votes lurking, I'm looking at the wave of 2010, the 3 Walker elections, and Chik Fila A day as harbringers of a good Tuesday.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 02, 2012 03:49 PM (YmPwQ)

315 I think Manchin (assuming he's re-elected as expected)

could be convinced to switch parties

---

He pretends he's not a Democrat every election anyway. Might as well make it official.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at November 02, 2012 03:49 PM (WMsq+)

316 302 Mr. IOWVc posting from 157.178.2.1 apparently wants attention.

Posted by: Mætenloch at November 02, 2012 03:42 PM (XkotV)


http://tinyurl.com/aobqf3k

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 02, 2012 03:49 PM (Qxe/p)

317 Aren't Mormons technically Christians? Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and all?

Not according to orthodox Christianity. Doesn't mean they're bad people, Christians are only saved because of the doing and dying of Jesus Christ, not due to anything innately superior within us. Most of the time we're inferior folks. Seems like God likes to use the weak.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 03:49 PM (r4wIV)

318 Eeyores may also want to check out Instapundit, who posts a graphic from the Washington Postsaying that based on their polling, 13% of Obama's 2008 coalition will vote for Romney instead. If that really occurs, then Romney would win based on '08 numbers, and it isn't close. To believe Democrats can overcome that, you have to believe they have identified millions of new voters since that time and that their entire remaining '08 coalition is enthused enough to get out to vote.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/156589/
More evidence that this will be over early.

Posted by: KIngCranium at November 02, 2012 03:51 PM (lHn6+)

319 schwalbe

so i will be HATE VOTING? nice

Posted by: phoenixgirl, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at November 02, 2012 03:51 PM (Ho2rs)

320 "...Ace is a professing atheist but he and others of that bent are quietly relying on believers to save their bacon. There is so much that unbelievers don't comprehend about the faith..."
Posted by: buffy at November 02, 2012 03:42 PM (INAPN)

I was an atheist for most of my adult life. It took (what I considered to be) direct personal intervention from God to change my heart. However, when I was an atheist, I understood a great deal about faith since most of my family members were (and are) a fairly devout bunch of Baptists and Presbyterians. So no, it doesn't follow that all non-believers are clueless about faith. Some are clueless and in-your-face obnoxious about it (I never was), but that isn't the majority.

Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2012 03:51 PM (vtiE6)

321 I wonder what the college admins would think about Poopchute misusing their resources.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at November 02, 2012 03:51 PM (WMsq+)

322 >Don't want to start a religious flame war, but I do have a question....Aren't Mormons technically Christians?


I don't know exactly what differentiates Mormonism from other strains of Christianity- all I know is, the LDSers I've met in CO and UT are wonderful people- profoundly decent human beings- unlike that misbegotten red diaper socialist in the WH

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:52 PM (8sCoq)

323 I should be in class right now but everyone hates me there. I'll just keep trolling from the school library so I can forget about my pathetic misbegotten excuse for a life.

Posted by: Retard Poopchute Esq. at November 02, 2012 03:53 PM (WMsq+)

324 Posted by: jwb7605 at November 02, 2012 03:49 PM (Qxe/p)


Harper College.

Posted by: The Right Honorable The Lord Mayor Of New York Mike Bloomberg at November 02, 2012 03:54 PM (1PE/J)

325 AoSHQ Word of the Day

misbegotten

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:54 PM (8sCoq)

326 Are the trolls still at it?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 02, 2012 03:56 PM (xAtAj)

327 North Fla. So maybe I don't know shit about church sizes. Regardless, it's a big church and the pastor was ALL fired up

Posted by: Boomer Redneque already voted for Romney/Ryan on Nov 1 at November 02, 2012 03:57 PM (eQnzo)

328 I used to be an atheist but they're justtoo religious for me.

Posted by: entropy at November 02, 2012 03:57 PM (TULs6)

329 ISP:William Rainey Harper College

Student or faculty?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 02, 2012 03:59 PM (feFL6)

330 Are the trolls still at it?


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 02, 2012 03:56 PM (xAtAj)

For a bunch of self proclaim winners they extra pissy today.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 02, 2012 03:59 PM (1PE/J)

331 110 There's over 60,000 Amish in OH, and another 60,000 in PA. Usuallytheydon'thave an interest in elections, but this time its different...

...and they ain't gonnabe voting Obama

And you can't poll 'em via phone! LOL

Posted by: rickb223 at November 02, 2012 04:01 PM (GFM2b)

332 I don't know exactly what differentiates Mormonism from other strains of Christianity- all I know is, the LDSers I've met in CO and UT are wonderful people- profoundly decent human beings- unlike that misbegotten red diaper socialist in the WH
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 02, 2012 03:52 PM (8sCoq)

Mormons believe Joseph Smith was a Prophet, which differentiates them from mainstream Christian denominations right away. Mainstream Christianity--encompassing both Protestant and Catholic branches--believe in the Trinity, the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It's my understanding the LDS does not. That's a big dividing line.

Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2012 04:01 PM (vtiE6)

333 this is why the trolls in the previous thread started blabbing about Mormonism

its in the script

Posted by: Thunderb at November 02, 2012 04:02 PM (Dnbau)

334 they are trolling for religious bigotry, projection again of course

Posted by: Thunderb at November 02, 2012 04:05 PM (Dnbau)

335 Aren't Mormons technically Christians? Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and all?

In my opinion, they are, but I have a very "loose" John 3:16 view of who is and isn't a saved Christian, but I know some people think differently.

Just like I knew Evengelical Christians growing up that questioned whether Catholics were really Christians because they did things like "pray to the Virgin Mary", that's a view I find repugnant.

These types of battles don't need to spill out into politics, and while I do think that Romney did have problems with his Mormonism in the deep South during the GOP primary, I see ZERO evidence of any issues with it now.

Posted by: McAdams at November 02, 2012 04:08 PM (plgt6)

336 Student or faculty?

---

Well, it does think it's smarter than everyone else in the room.

Could be either one, really.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at November 02, 2012 04:08 PM (WMsq+)

337 These types of battles don't need to spill out into politics, and while I do think that Romney did have problems with his Mormonism in the deep South during the GOP primary, I see ZERO evidence of any issues with it now.
Posted by: McAdams at November 02, 2012 04:08 PM (plgt6)

While I have strong personal convictions, I'm in no position to throw stones from any moral or theological high ground at anyone. As it happens, I grew up in an area boasting a large Mormon community, and count several as close friends to this day. Good people. Let them believe how they like.

Posted by: troyriser at November 02, 2012 04:11 PM (vtiE6)

338 I was nervous this morning.
Then I saw this
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/156589/
I'm no longer nervous.
Posted by: bigpale

That is AWESOME!

Posted by: macintx at November 02, 2012 04:13 PM (teREJ)

339 Just like I knew Evengelical Christians growing up
that questioned whether Catholics were really Christians because they
did things like "pray to the Virgin Mary", that's a view I find
repugnant.

These types of battles don't need to spill out into
politics, and while I do think that Romney did have problems with his
Mormonism in the deep South during the GOP primary, I see ZERO evidence
of any issues with it now.




Posted by: McAdams at November 02, 2012 04:08 PM (plgt6)

It's one thing to believe that praying to the saints is something to be done.
It's another to believe that God is actually one of many gods, and we can become gods ourselves if we know the right handshakes and passwords to get into heaven.
Complete unchristian heresy.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 02, 2012 04:14 PM (xAtAj)

340 It's another to believe that God is actually one of
many gods, and we can become gods ourselves if we know the right
handshakes and passwords to get into heaven.
Complete unchristian heresy.


Posted by: HoboJerky

Sounds like Hinduism.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 02, 2012 04:15 PM (dZ756)

341 Did my part to vote out the SCOAMF this afternoon. I feel worlds better.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at November 02, 2012 04:16 PM (HgwiM)

342 Mormons believe that in the beginning all people existed as spirits or "intelligences," independent of God.[29] In this state, God came among the intelligences and offered a plan whereby they could progress and "have a privilege to advance like himself."[30] The spirits were free to accept or reject this plan, and a third of them, led by Satan rejected it.[31]
The rest accepted the plan, coming to earth and receiving bodies with
an understanding that they would experience sin and suffering.

From Wikipedia

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 02, 2012 04:23 PM (xAtAj)

343 Don't want to start a religious flame war, but I do have a question....Aren't Mormons technically Christians?

I'm a casual student of religion and I've read a lot about the LDS church. My answer would be that Catholicism,
Protestantism, Coptic Christianity and Orthodox Christianity can all be
traced back historically and doctrinally to the principles of Paul's
evangelism. IMO, Mormonism cannot. It is really a set of doctrines
completely independent of traditional Christianity in which the only the cast of
characters has been borrowed from Christianity.

I say this
without any intent to malign Mormonism. I have many Mormon family
members and Mormon friends. I consider some of my Mormon friends to be
some of the finest people I know.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 02, 2012 04:24 PM (QKKT0)

344 It's one thing to believe that praying to the saints is something to be done.
It's
another to believe that God is actually one of many gods, and we can
become gods ourselves if we know the right handshakes and passwords to
get into heaven.
Complete unchristian heresy.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM!

And I knew Evangelicals that made similar arguments about Catholics and I know there are Catholics that believe Protestants are "heretics".

I'm not a Mormon, but I admire the people, and we should be careful about throwing out the "you're not a real Christian" type epithets. I'd rather celebrate what we have in common and work together than dividing up people of faith.

But I'm done with this subject, I don't know what's real and what's troll food.

Posted by: McAdams at November 02, 2012 04:31 PM (plgt6)

345 230 224 NYC Marathon -- The Hunger Game Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 02, 2012 03:26 PM (kXoT0) _______________ omg. Running Man?
Posted by: tasker at November 02, 2012 03:27 PM (r2PLg)
Escape from NY

Posted by: Sanke Pliskin at November 02, 2012 04:32 PM (2g+7R)

346 I also think that many adults had a facts of real life discussion with their college children about their votethis election.

Posted by: OkobojiKathleen at November 02, 2012 04:53 PM (i7KmQ)

347 Recently my father-in-law went to South Carolina to see his family. He said that his family, very much religious, evangelical Christians, who previously never got involved in the political process, are voting this time around (for Romney) because they believe this is the most important election in the modern history of this country. These are the new voters for the GOP.

Posted by: Pete at November 02, 2012 05:01 PM (i1F9T)

348 I'm an evangelical Christian. Husband was an evangelical pastor who did mission work in Romania. Son is a chaplain's assistant in the Army and is in seminary to be ordained as a minister. My father was a missionary to Russia. I have probably spent as much time on the inside of evangelical churches as I have on the inside of a school building, and I have a Masters Degree, so a lot of time logged there too.

The theological differences I have with Mr. Romney's religion are just that - theological - and irrelevant to this election. Mormons and evangelicals share a love of country, a dedication to strong families, to the sanctity of life, to the sanctity of marriage, to religious freedom, to individual responsibility, to hard work, to personal charity, and to living as good citizens under the law. There is no point of contention on any of the things that matter in this election.

The fact that Billy Graham has personally taken out ads in newspapers across the country speaks volumes as to where evangelicals are in this cycle. We see the dangers on the horizon, and these dangers do not come from Mormons. We don't as a whole talk politics at church, but we live out our values, and everyone knows whose values line up with ours this election, and whose do not.

I remarked to my son the other evening that Mitt Romney's character, the way he lives his life, the way he has raised his family, the way he has devoted himself to service of others, and the way he has generously given of his time and resources to charitable efforts is an example of faith at work, and I admire him greatly for that.


Will I be switching to the Mormon church? No. Will I be proud to call him my President? You bet.


Evangelicals are used to voting. We take it as a civic obligation and even though many Christians are silent in the marketplace, they are not silent in the voting booth. I bet you'll see 80% turnout for Romney.





Posted by: mama winger voted double for Paul Ryan at November 02, 2012 05:05 PM (P6QsQ)

349 But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!

Posted by: In before the troll at November 02, 2012 05:33 PM (TIIx5)

350 I have never been interested in politics until 2009 when this tool and his flying monkeys got on a spending binge and taking over parts of this country by government fiat. I was sucked right in. Straight into the TeaParty patriot status I WENT! I have slammed the phone down 3 times someone wanted to "poll me"...POLL THIS! I already know by conversations, most Tea PArty people don't give a hoot about poll phone calls. THEY ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF nowhere and drop a political tidal wave on this thing. I can't wait until the dust clears.

Posted by: MerkAmerica at November 02, 2012 06:18 PM (GwzgG)

351 So if evangelicals bail the Republicans out yet again can we get a six month moratorium on Malor gay marriage posts?

Posted by: Sam Haysom at November 02, 2012 06:56 PM (Z/sJK)

352 I have a wet dream of a wholesale, nation-wide purge of the Progressive / Liberal / Democrat / Lefty message; a rebuke, a repudiation of that whole stinking gang clear on down to the ward Alderman level. By huge margins. 60+ stuff.

And then I have this nightmare that having finally killed the fraud and lies of the Progressives, and firmly seizing the reins of Power - they / we / I will fuck it up, just like was done the last time. All that power will go to their / our / my head, and I don't mean that clod sitting atop my shoulders.

Shit. Why are we so imperfect?

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at November 02, 2012 07:37 PM (Qb7IZ)

353 So if evangelicals bail the Republicans out yet again can we get a six month moratorium on Malor gay marriage posts?

And the continual sniping at social conservatives... yeah, that would be nice. Maybe even a year.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2012 08:30 PM (r4wIV)

354 You know, I REALLY hope you're right... but a disturbing number of evangelicals I know feel they will be making some kind of principled moral stand by choosing not to vote for either major candidate (also seems to go along with a RonPaul! affliction). I've attempted to explain the fallacy of allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the acceptable (especially if the other option is catastrophically awful), but it doesn't seem to get through.

Posted by: Lilly at November 03, 2012 06:29 PM (aegx0)

355 Evangelicals are 24 million voters and they do not talk to the polls. The people who run the pollls already have their minds (small as they are) made up. Why confront them? So these people are not vocal. On election day they will simply go to the polls and vote. If Romney gets 3/4 of them it will still be a landslide. Mormons are Chiristians even though they are a little strange. For two years of their lives they do mission work. They do not threaten my faith so I talk with them. We have had so interesting conversations.

Posted by: burt at November 05, 2012 03:16 PM (8kEad)






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Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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