NYT, 1992: Bush's 2.7% GDP Growth Is a "Gross National Letdown"
NYT 2012: Obama's 2.0% Growth Is "Steady Improvement"

The way they... surround a story, as an old ad said.

Same situation in 1992 as in 2012: An incumbent president is bedeviled by a recession. Late in the cycle, there is a slight improvement. Although in Bush's case, it was a lot more than slight improvement -- we passed from recession to recovery before the election; the economy was already growing when Clinton took office.

If that's not the way you remember it, that's because the media didn't want you to know that.

Flash forward to today. Now, the economy grows by a pittance -- much less than Bush's weak 2.7% growth -- and the NYT hails it a "slow but steady growth" which proves the efficacy of his plan.

Posted by: Ace at 01:50 PM



Comments

1 first

Posted by: Red Shirt at October 31, 2012 01:51 PM (FIDMq)

2 1st

Posted by: eureka! at October 31, 2012 01:51 PM (cTjRR)

3 it'll never change ace...

Posted by: D. Hopper at October 31, 2012 01:51 PM (AVfT8)

4
And on Friday you'll learn that 7.4% Unemployment is...


fanfuckingtastic!

Posted by: soothsayerski at October 31, 2012 01:52 PM (jUytm)

5 And that 2% is before the inevitable "correction" which will issue shortly.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 31, 2012 01:52 PM (gedHR)

6 it's chinatown...

Posted by: D. Hopper at October 31, 2012 01:52 PM (AVfT8)

7 Unprecedented!

Posted by: Bosk at October 31, 2012 01:52 PM (n2K+4)

8 I would not miss the NYT if it closed its doors.

Posted by: EC at October 31, 2012 01:52 PM (GQ8sn)

9
and gas is now really cheap at $3.49/gal

Posted by: soothsayerski at October 31, 2012 01:53 PM (jUytm)

10 That Helen Thomas picture is scary, every time.
Maybe tuck one beneath a fold, extra-large.

Posted by: m at October 31, 2012 01:53 PM (RaNrW)

11 Drudge has a story that ADP has lowered the numbers from Sept. to 88,000 from 162,000 jobs..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 31, 2012 01:53 PM (9+ccr)

12 That's nothing. All during the 80s actual growth was 'unsustainable' and 'inflationary'.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 31, 2012 01:54 PM (z1N6a)

13 Update with this from the last post:
29

Senility. Its what's for dinner.


Speaking of screw ups:

Revisions
to the way payroll data firm ADP counts private sector job creation
have resulted in a sharp drop in the September employment count.

ADP's
new calculations put the monthly job creation at just 88,2000, down
from the 162,000 the firm originally reported earlier this month.

So HALF of what was previously reported. We are being had. Good and hard.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2012 01:17 PM (PHb2k)

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 31, 2012 01:54 PM (imtbm)

14 Ace is rockin the Casbah today! Must have had his Wheaties today...

Posted by: Tony253 at October 31, 2012 01:54 PM (3yMFT)

15 Just wait til they get going on FEMA and Sandy. The left is trying hard as they ever can to turn this into Hurricane Katrina. Up until that point, President Bush was very popular still. Katrina's lies turned the nation against him.

That's what they're going to try to do against Romney. Will it work this time? It shouldn't have against President Bush but it did.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 31, 2012 01:54 PM (r4wIV)

16 Treason is as treason does


Posted by: Ben in Benghazi at October 31, 2012 01:55 PM (Dll6b)

17 That's what they're going to try to do against Romney. Will it work
this time? It shouldn't have against President Bush but it did.

Romneys not President...... yet..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 31, 2012 01:55 PM (9+ccr)

18 Why is the NY Times still in business? I thought they had to borrow $ a few years ago from someone by the same of Carlos Slim. I know I have the last name right, I might have wrong first name.
Ace is back!

Posted by: CarolT at October 31, 2012 01:55 PM (z4WKX)

19 Ear Leader has increased the chocolate ration from 30 grams to 20 grams! All praise Ear Leader!

Posted by: The New York Times at October 31, 2012 01:55 PM (v+QvA)

20 Like I said when Slick Willie was out on the campaign trail telling people they needed to be patient with the Obama "recovery" -

So, Bill, you're telling everyone they should have voted for GHWB back in '92, and that you should never have been President? Cause Bush Sr. was doing a whole lot better on that (it's the) economy (stupid) than the JEF is.

Posted by: JEM at October 31, 2012 01:55 PM (o+SC1)

21 Not 1st. Sandra Fluck the bathhousers at the NY Times with a flaming pineapple. Sideways. Repeatedly.

Abu Graib gets 34 front page stories in a row and they let this administration watch four Americans get terrorized and slaughtered on our American sovereign property. May there be big-time karma for these 5th Column traitors to the 4th Estate. Damn them to hell to boot.

Posted by: eureka! at October 31, 2012 01:55 PM (cTjRR)

22
plenty of time for revisions after the election, comrades

Posted by: soothsayerski at October 31, 2012 01:56 PM (jUytm)

23
Media:

Cindy Sheehan: Absolute Moral Authority
Wood's Dad: who the F is that?

Posted by: meh at October 31, 2012 01:56 PM (W2qJe)

24 ... which proves the effin' crazyof his plan. FIFY

Posted by: Factcheck my pants at October 31, 2012 01:56 PM (i7B17)

25 When slow growth is the desired outcome then 2.0% growth is a steady improvement.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 31, 2012 01:56 PM (yU1Dt)

26 God that last thread was fun. Must shower, buy Halloween candy and go fetch my youngins from the uppity private school. Love you guys, later.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 31, 2012 01:56 PM (kc2b9)

27 The New York Times is not to be trusted?

The deuce, you say!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 31, 2012 01:56 PM (QKKT0)

28 NYT also talks about losing half of their ad revenue and subscriber base over the past decade as a modest growth rate.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 31, 2012 01:57 PM (F0K0r)

29 @18 - yeah, Slim loaned NYT a whole lot of money at loan-shark rates. NYT dutifully spiked a few anti-Slim stories while they were on the hook to the guy, but they paid off the loan a few years back.

Posted by: JEM at October 31, 2012 01:57 PM (o+SC1)

30 Romneys not President...... yet..

They're trying to turn the comments he made on spending and FEMA into a "he wants you to die without federal aid!!!!!" scream. That's the spin, that's where they're going with this.

It took a while for the Katrina narrative to really take off.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 31, 2012 01:57 PM (r4wIV)

31 He had to destroy the economy in order to save it.

Posted by: The New York Times at October 31, 2012 01:57 PM (v+QvA)

32 I suspect that 2% is also a lie. Unemployment is somewhere between 15 and 20 percent and there is no growth.


Obama is lying and the MFM is helping him.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2012 01:57 PM (YdQQY)

33 When Mitt takes over in January, I think one of the orders of business should be to come out with the true unemployment rate and inflation rate, based on the real numbers. Give them to us for the last 20 years. Say that this is the way it will be calculated from now on. Anything I do that will be compared to previous administrations will be based on the proper calculations.

No more lying shit numbers that don't mean a thing.

Posted by: Bruce at October 31, 2012 01:57 PM (z4eur)

34 IIts almost as if they have a double standard or something.

Posted by: blaster at October 31, 2012 01:58 PM (NpnTE)

35 If the New York Times ever turns a profit again (*cough*) Pinch Sulzberger will go full tranny by purchasing his first set of balls.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 31, 2012 01:58 PM (QKKT0)

36 We're embarrassed to be associated with those clowns.

Posted by: Pravda at October 31, 2012 01:58 PM (pmsMR)

37 I take great comfort in the knowledge that by the 2016 election - and absolutely by the 2020 election -- the NYT will be nothing but a bad memory and a paywalled website with shitty subscription numbers.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at October 31, 2012 01:58 PM (4df7R)

38 Pointing out the hypocrisies of the NYT is like mentioning that rain is wet. I never link them, and very rarely read anything printed by them.

It's my own private boycott.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 31, 2012 01:59 PM (ccXZP)

39 Of course the 2% growth is a lie. I doubt its even a positive number, but they have to make it seem like good things are happening. Remember the growth report from 2000 that turned out to have been doctored by the Clinton administration to try to help Gore?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 31, 2012 01:59 PM (r4wIV)

40 I wouldn't read the NY Times if it had a Page 3 topless girl and I love boobies like few others.

Posted by: Countrysquire at October 31, 2012 01:59 PM (QB3JR)

41 Pravda: The NY Times makes us look objective

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 31, 2012 01:59 PM (1Jaio)

42 Why is the rest o the media giving the NYT a free ride on their cheif's pedophile story?

Posted by: Jean at October 31, 2012 01:59 PM (u5ozF)

43 It's pretty easy to understand when you accept that the media is a bunch of lying fuckstick cocksuckers. And that's me being nice about it...

Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at October 31, 2012 01:59 PM (Xfofp)

44 Pointing out the hypocrisies of the NYT is like mentioning that rain is
wet. I never link them, and very rarely read anything printed by them.


You're missing out on some valuable coupons, sucker.

Posted by: Pinch Sulzberger at October 31, 2012 02:00 PM (QKKT0)

45 Look, until we just start picking media orgs and using every legal method available to wipe them out, they'll keep it up. After a few of their brethren fall, the remainder may get the message...or they may not, in which case they weren't worth saving.

We can't go on like this. The media need reform even more than government.

Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at October 31, 2012 02:00 PM (GBXon)

46 I posted a link a few days ago concerning the new meme for the economy. It is now "a period of slow growth" so the numbers have changed.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2012 02:00 PM (YdQQY)

47 Not 1st. Sandra Fluck the bathhousers at the NY Times with a flaming pineapple. Sideways. Repeatedly.

Abu Graib gets 34 front page stories in a row and they let this administration watch four Americans get terrorized and slaughtered on our American sovereign property.

_______________________

The irony being--

Tyrone Woods might have really saved Obama's bacon.


Varying reports--but Woods saved 20 to 30 people from the Consulate--with five other agents from the annex and 17 Libyan guards that they brought with them--against orders.

Thanks to Woods the media can trivialize and ignore four deaths instead of 20 or more dead--or held hostage.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2012 02:00 PM (r2PLg)

48 ORCA. Do it.

Posted by: LASue at October 31, 2012 02:00 PM (gjIQF)

49 Dear Mr Axelrod - my guess is that you need not fear for your 'stache, if your client loses those states Ms Jarrett is going to shave something else off your body, with a butter knife.


Posted by: JEM at October 31, 2012 02:00 PM (o+SC1)

50
The "Bush" recession happened between the end of the Iraq War and the election. Less than 18 months.
Obama's recession has been going on for FOUR FUCKING YEARS!

Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 31, 2012 02:00 PM (zLp5I)

51 All the NYT does is spin for their boy. Their endorsement was so unnecessarily insulting to Romny, it was actually a tantrum.

Posted by: Redd at October 31, 2012 02:01 PM (Lom3Z)

52 When Mitt takes over in January, I think one of the orders of business should be to come out with the true unemployment rate and inflation rate, based on the real numbers. Give them to us for the last 20 years.

I agree, that's one of the list of things I suggested he do in his first 100 days.

http://tinyurl.com/cmh735b

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 31, 2012 02:01 PM (r4wIV)

53 Insty had an item that the ChiCom's official newspaper slammed the NYT for being a government mouthpiece. Thomas Friedman's probably locked himself in a closet weeping.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 31, 2012 02:01 PM (B/VB5)

54 How the fuck does a self-governing country survive when the information it needs to make its decisions is so poisoned?

The answer is that it doesn't. And everybody that poo-poos media bias is part of the problem. We either fix this or become serfs. Fucking period.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 31, 2012 02:02 PM (4x8W0)

55 "Wow, guys. You're being a little deceitful."

Posted by: Walter Duranty, NYT Alum at October 31, 2012 02:02 PM (4df7R)

56 "The stench of failure hangs over the Reagan White House" is my favorite NYT editorial. Really shows you where they are in regards to their political views (and instincts).

Posted by: iggy slanter at October 31, 2012 02:02 PM (MYNnD)

57 Hurricane 'Fiscal Cliff' hits January 1, 2013 regardless of the election's results.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at October 31, 2012 02:03 PM (BAnPT)

58 On Nov 7 the NYT and the rest of the MSM will reveal that they have had their fingers crossed behind their backs for the past four years, so technically they have not been lying.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at October 31, 2012 02:03 PM (zpqa2)

59 Varying reports--but Woods saved 20 to 30 people from the
Consulate--with five other agents from the annex and 17 Libyan guards
that they brought with them--against orders.


Why aren't we hearing from these people? They were eye-witnesses! They had first hand knowledge of everything that happened, so they'd be able to say one way or another if calls for help went out and no one came.

These people need to be interviewed right now.

Posted by: EC at October 31, 2012 02:03 PM (GQ8sn)

60 Insty had an item that the ChiCom's official newspaper slammed the NYT for being a government mouthpiece.

*SNORT!*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Binder Hobbit and ABO Supporter at October 31, 2012 02:05 PM (4df7R)

61 Honestly I'm not sure these guys actually reach very many people with news any longer. Yeah they're worthless and biased but they're also dying. We don't have to take legal action or crush them, the market is doing it for us.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 31, 2012 02:05 PM (r4wIV)

62 I might have to make a special trip to New York when the time comes for them to finally bury the New York Whines. Just to take a leak on it's grave.

Posted by: maddogg at October 31, 2012 02:05 PM (OlN4e)

63 Memory.
How. Does. It. Work?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 31, 2012 02:06 PM (GFM2b)

64
The first thing Romney needs to do is to re-arrange the press briefing room. Move the in the tank idiots to the back of the room. Put the regional media in the first rows.

It is petty and childish, but the MSM is petty and childish.

Posted by: rd does not believe the MSM at October 31, 2012 02:06 PM (zLp5I)

65 3
it'll never change ace...


As Insty is fond of saying, things that can't go on forever, won't. These dinosaurs are watching the meteor fall and the approaching tidal wave. Yes, they still have influence, but it lessens with every passing day. As does their stock price.

Posted by: pep at October 31, 2012 02:06 PM (YXmuI)

66 the fixed machine gun at the Annex that Doherty and Woods too turns fighting from was caked in blood."

I read that it was also out of ammunition.

---

Question:
I have been told that machine gun barrels heat up quickly and therefore
you have only a limited amount of time/number of rounds before the MG
is inoperable.

In a fire fight, how long are we talking about that a MG is good to go?

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 31, 2012 02:07 PM (Hx5uv)

67 Even the NYT crosswords have dumbed down over the years.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 31, 2012 02:07 PM (uW4J6)

68 Brief OT: Ace, that Helen Thomas photo on the sidebar is the scariest thing I expect to see this Halloween. I've got a full-on case of the heebie-jeebies now. Thanks ever so much.


:-)

Posted by: Mary in LA at October 31, 2012 02:08 PM (48wze)

69 Neu 'hread up guvs

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 31, 2012 02:08 PM (HiC8z)

70 Honestly I'm not sure these guys actually reach very many people with news any longer. Yeah they're worthless and biased but they're also dying. We don't have to take legal action or crush them, the market is doing it for us.

That may be true but if I'm not mistaken the major television news organizations use the NYT headlines for their stories. Which means that whether their print circulation is down or not, they pretty much influence...er...poison....the information that we all get.

Motherfuckers. Every one of them.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 31, 2012 02:08 PM (4x8W0)

71 Why aren't we hearing from these people? They were
eye-witnesses! They had first hand knowledge of everything that
happened, so they'd be able to say one way or another if calls for help
went out and no one came.

These people need to be interviewed right now.


Posted by: EC at October 31, 2012 02:03 PM



Yes, my dad and I were talking about this last night. Where are these people and why haven't they spoken to the press Sharyl Attkisson or Catherine Herridge or Jennifer Griffin?

Posted by: Yes, We Can! at October 31, 2012 02:08 PM (bAGA/)

72
2013 is going to be a rough year no matter who wins. 2014 will be near-catastrophic if Obama wins.

If Obama does win another term, his popularity will be in the teens by the end of 2013. What will happen because of that, I do not know.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2012 02:09 PM (jUytm)

73 It's as if they already picked a side or something?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 31, 2012 02:09 PM (71LDo)

74 In a fire fight, how long are we talking about that a MG is good to go?Posted by: WalrusRex at October 31, 2012 02:07 PM (Hx5uv) That applies to non water cooled MG's. The old Maxim could sew on and on as long as there was water/whiskey/ beer/ piss in the water jacket.

Posted by: maddogg at October 31, 2012 02:09 PM (OlN4e)

75 61 >> Honestly I'm not sure these guys actually reach very many people with news any longer.

CT, according to a recent Drudge post they are #3 in circulation behind the WSJ and USA Today. The same article said that their circulation had increased 40%!!! over last year due to online subscriptions.

I wonder how many of those online #s are actually PAID subscribers.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 31, 2012 02:11 PM (ccXZP)

76 I've come to the conclusion that, as of late, I have been very on edge, a simmering rage if you will. You know how sometimes you can peel back the layers in your mind and find the root cause of what's distressing you? Not only have I felt total frustration at the TFG Administration, but I'm really seething at the media. They are liars of the tallest order. They are deceivers. They are leftists through and through. They are completely unfair. They are not news reporters. They are not givers of truth in any stretch of the imagination. I can ignore them all I want....and I do. But their shameless corruption and bias is making me sick. How are we ever going to get this country back on the right track with these total MF'ers refusing to do their jobs? Yes, I know it's been going on for decades. But these past 4 years, with Benghazi being the icing on the cake, really, really anger me. It's astonishing and breathtaking all in one.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 31, 2012 02:13 PM (lTVJy)

77 Do you know why I don't wipe my ass with the New York Times after a take a steaming runny mexican fiesta induced shit that blows up the head?








Cause I cancelled my subscription four years ago.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 31, 2012 02:13 PM (ovpNn)

78 CT, according to a recent Drudge post they are #3 in circulation behind the WSJ and USA Today.

I bet some company somewhere is the number 3 buggy whip producer in America, too. What's the whole industry like? Collapsing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 31, 2012 02:13 PM (r4wIV)

79
47Tyrone Woods might have
really saved Obama's bacon. Varying reports--but
Woods saved 20 to 30 people from the Consulate--with five other agents from the
annex and 17 Libyan guards that they brought with them--against orders.Thanks to Woods the
media can trivialize and ignore four deaths instead of 20 or more dead--or held
hostage.THIS!Just think if Doherty and Woods saved all those people (and killing 50-60 terrorists)...and Obama left him to die, only a sociopathic narcissist could meet their caskets and not shed a tear (while being a political opportunist afterwards).


Posted by: Tony253 at October 31, 2012 02:16 PM (3yMFT)

80
"Varying reports--but Woods saved 20 to 30 people from the Consulate--with five other agents from the annex and 17 Libyan guards that they brought with them--against orders."

And just where in the hell are those people to provide any creedence to the stories of what happened in Benghazi? The fact that they've not uttered a peep is troubling.

Posted by: Jaws at October 31, 2012 02:20 PM (4I3Uo)

81 And if history is any predictor, that 2.0% will be revised down to 1.3%

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at October 31, 2012 02:22 PM (UU0OF)

82 Also, try to pay attention to the amount of "positive" words in a story vs. the amount of "negative" ones. It's not just what they say, but how they say it.

In an R article, for example, you'll see words like "worried", "struggling" and "unimpressive" and in D ones you'll see lots of "upswing", "momentum" and "growth".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 31, 2012 02:24 PM (lnaWp)

83 There's not much pravda in the NYT and no izvestia in the WaPo.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 31, 2012 02:25 PM (nkiQM)

84 The Media must be destroyed. They are no longer purveyors of news, and have outlived any usefulness they might (once) have had. Destroy them.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 31, 2012 02:25 PM (Y0jT/)

85 @84 This.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at October 31, 2012 02:29 PM (zpqa2)

86 53
Insty had an item that the ChiCom's official newspaper slammed the NYT
for being a government mouthpiece. Thomas Friedman's probably locked
himself in a closet weeping.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 31, 2012 02:01 PM (B/VB5)

Friedman would fap himself to death being the mouthpiece of Obama.

Posted by: MrCaniac at October 31, 2012 02:37 PM (Zd/NW)

87 Funny, I was trading futures then. Recall telling everyone one I knew to buy stocks because the economy was wired to fly. Didn't matter who was elected then, we were going to grow.

We'd have grown even faster under Bush 1 than Clinton. High growth in the Clinton years didn't kick in until 1994.

Anyone voting for Gary Johnson has my empathy, but vote Romney. I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and fucked it up for Bush.

Posted by: Tony Rezco at October 31, 2012 03:43 PM (8Wlv4)

88 Expectation Recalibration™

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 31, 2012 03:53 PM (L9WNK)






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