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David Petraeus: No One In the CIA Ordered Operatives To Stand Down
No one... in the CIA.
Hmm. Who would be in a position to order the stand-down, who's not in the CIA? Hmmmm... It would have to be someone very high ranking in the chain of command, obviously. Not military -- I don't think the military can order the CIA. So, someone high ranking who is not military and also not in the CIA, but who gives orders to the CIA. I give up. I can't solve this mystery. Can you? Thanks to JammieWF. Local Reporter Commits Act of Journalism: I'm just watching this now. Drew says it gets ugly. Actually... I don't know what's so great about it. Some tough questions are asked, but Obama filibusters for five minutes on each. JammieWF has a transcript of the key answer. Shorter Clip: Man, he just completely ignores the question.Comments
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Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: steevy at October 26, 2012 06:36 PM (Ts9tU)
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Let me eat my waffle!
Posted by: Barack Obama at October 26, 2012 06:36 PM (vjyZP)
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I am a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: Barack Obama at October 26, 2012 06:36 PM (a0nis)
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Need him and Hillary to really come out and point the finger at TFG.
Posted by: Zharkov at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (AWN+F)
Posted by: shibumi at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (z63Tr)
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Wasn't Obama either,he was in bed.Valerie Jarrett?
Posted by: steevy at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (Ts9tU)
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (eRV2W)
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Seems to be a lot CYA-ing going on.
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (p62mg)
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It was "Fog of Fuck-up"
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (zLp5I)
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Mr. President, your narrative is on fire.
Posted by: David Plouffe at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (P9OJs)
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Petraeus statement is extremely significant
Posted by: runner at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (WR5xI)
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Don't worry, guys, the next time people are in harm's way, I'll be sure to send their families a fruit basket or somethin'.
Posted by: Barack Obama at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (a0nis)
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OBAMA!!!!
Posted by: NWConservative at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (M1gmo)
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Jennifer Griffin is steadfastly standing behind her sources, calling them, "As good as they get," and on the ground eyewitnesses of the event.
Considering there are not too many reporters out there as good and as experienced as Griffin, I feel very comfortable with her version of events.
Considering there are not too many reporters out there as good and as experienced as Griffin, I feel very comfortable with her version of events.
Posted by: Tommy V at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (ZYlKz)
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Obama wanted an October surprise - so taking the mythology of the Left, he figured to re-do the Reagan/Bush Iranian "deal". Remember that? Bunch of fuckin' hippies in the media and Congress accused GHW Bush of taking an SR-71 around to "negotiate" with the Iranians in 1980. Yeah. An SR-71.
Anyways, this kind of goofy shit appeals to these doofuses. So it is VERY likely that Jug-Ears decided to trade the blind sheik for the by-now-captured Ambassador Stevens. Something this set of clueless fuckwads would see as "subtle" and "masterful" 'cause it would allow him to set an islamofascist enemy of the US free as a fuckin' bird plus buff his "savvy" foreign relations credentials.
So my guess is that this was a setup for the election. Didn't want any shootin' going on - that might have killed a muslim terrorist which might have screwed the deal. Remember - they couldn't find the Ambassador for hours - it was the terrorists who found him and took him ostensibly to the hospital.
If President SCOAMF was communicating to those goat-screwing barbarians - he would have had plenty of reason to order our forces to stand down. After all, votes are more important than the blood of the little people, dont'cha know? Might still be able to pull out the deal, but it woulda been all off if a Spectre had obliterated his friends. And that would have impacted the number of votes he was expecting.
Obama killed them in order to protect his "deal". You read it here first.
Anyways, this kind of goofy shit appeals to these doofuses. So it is VERY likely that Jug-Ears decided to trade the blind sheik for the by-now-captured Ambassador Stevens. Something this set of clueless fuckwads would see as "subtle" and "masterful" 'cause it would allow him to set an islamofascist enemy of the US free as a fuckin' bird plus buff his "savvy" foreign relations credentials.
So my guess is that this was a setup for the election. Didn't want any shootin' going on - that might have killed a muslim terrorist which might have screwed the deal. Remember - they couldn't find the Ambassador for hours - it was the terrorists who found him and took him ostensibly to the hospital.
If President SCOAMF was communicating to those goat-screwing barbarians - he would have had plenty of reason to order our forces to stand down. After all, votes are more important than the blood of the little people, dont'cha know? Might still be able to pull out the deal, but it woulda been all off if a Spectre had obliterated his friends. And that would have impacted the number of votes he was expecting.
Obama killed them in order to protect his "deal". You read it here first.
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (jZn+7)
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Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable *treasonous* failure
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (JWLqy)
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Um... er... was it Bush?
Posted by: The Peasants at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (dzCcw)
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If it really turns out that Obama ordered the "stand down" -- which seems too terrible to be true -- even California is going to be in play.
Posted by: wooga at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (vjyZP)
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QUICK, SOMEONE FALL ON THE SWORD FOR OBAMA!!
Posted by: NWConservative at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (M1gmo)
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Early voting baby!
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (p62mg)
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Regardless of how one feels about Petreaus being part of TFG's kinda-inner circle, I just have a very hard time imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die.
I just can't believe it.
I just can't believe it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (piMMO)
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It was Emperor Valerian Jarrettius in the library with a candlestick.
Posted by: kallisto at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (/1U3u)
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The balls on that guy! And on THAT guy! And look over there!
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 26, 2012 06:40 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: The Bus at October 26, 2012 06:40 PM (PlCer)
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The truth is it was PFC Gomer Pyle, who was recently assigned to the WH Situation Room. He got all the messages, but was waiting for Sgt Carter to explain what a POTUS was?
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 06:40 PM (zLp5I)
Posted by: The Greginator at October 26, 2012 06:40 PM (a0nis)
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Petraeus is a sack of pig shit. If he had any integrity (LOL) and had not been party to this treason then he would have resigned in protest, if not immediately then at least after listening to the lies emanating from the White House and its junta over and over and over.
Petraeus has always been awful. Now, he's complicit in this crime against America. He should burn in hell along with the rest of this America-hating junta.
Petraeus has always been awful. Now, he's complicit in this crime against America. He should burn in hell along with the rest of this America-hating junta.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 06:40 PM (X3lox)
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ORCA or die.
Posted by: Truman North at October 26, 2012 06:40 PM (I2LwF)
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Sloooooow. Moooootion. Traaaaaaaain. Wreeeeeeeck.
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at October 26, 2012 06:41 PM (p62mg)
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Jennifer Griffin is steadfastly standing behind her sources, calling
them, "As good as they get," and on the ground eyewitnesses of the
event.
Considering there are not too many reporters out there as good and
as experienced as Griffin, I feel very comfortable with her version of
events.
****
It seems the only two reporters out there willing to take on the administration are Griffin and Attkisson.
They have both done honorable work this year.
them, "As good as they get," and on the ground eyewitnesses of the
event.
Considering there are not too many reporters out there as good and
as experienced as Griffin, I feel very comfortable with her version of
events.
****
It seems the only two reporters out there willing to take on the administration are Griffin and Attkisson.
They have both done honorable work this year.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:41 PM (piMMO)
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If Valerie Jarrett was the one who made the call, that's even worse. It shows a total abdication of authority by Obama. Might as well admit that Michelle uses a strap-on on him.
Posted by: wooga at October 26, 2012 06:41 PM (vjyZP)
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I just can't believe it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (piMMO)
I can....if he had any measure of character he would resign and wave a huge BS flag for all to see
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (piMMO)
I can....if he had any measure of character he would resign and wave a huge BS flag for all to see
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 06:41 PM (JWLqy)
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Right on Truman!
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at October 26, 2012 06:41 PM (p62mg)
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okay it was me
okay it was me
Posted by: Big Bird at October 26, 2012 06:41 PM (AW9md)
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I just have a very hard time imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die.
Anything above a brigadier is pretty much a politician. If you ain't got the political chops you dead end at bird or brigadier.
Anything above a brigadier is pretty much a politician. If you ain't got the political chops you dead end at bird or brigadier.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 26, 2012 06:41 PM (eRV2W)
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Niedermeyer's Dead Horse, "Regardless of how one feels about Petreaus being part of TFG's kinda-inner circle, I just have a very hard time imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die."
Remember Somalia? 36 hours of fighting till it got down to hand to hand. Rangers naked bodies dragged thru the streets. You want to retract that statement?
Niedermeyer's Dead Horse, "Regardless of how one feels about Petreaus being part of TFG's kinda-inner circle, I just have a very hard time imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die."
Remember Somalia? 36 hours of fighting till it got down to hand to hand. Rangers naked bodies dragged thru the streets. You want to retract that statement?
Posted by: Ohio Dan at October 26, 2012 06:42 PM (JKNDp)
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I knew Petraeus would do the right thing. However, throwing the President underthe bus two weeks before the election just ended his CIA career, I think.I read where Petraeus said he one day wanted to be the President of Princeton. I thinkthat 'one day' has just arrived.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2012 06:42 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Michelle Obama at October 26, 2012 06:42 PM (a0nis)
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Bush?
Posted by: Up with people! at October 26, 2012 06:43 PM (kzFo5)
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Petraeus knows how this is played. This is about as bus throwing as he will get. He will never say who ordered it.
But he said quite plainly: Not Me.
It was probably some Axelrod doofus who short circuited this decision, it came from the White House, probably not from the President. But Clapper will burn for it.
But he said quite plainly: Not Me.
It was probably some Axelrod doofus who short circuited this decision, it came from the White House, probably not from the President. But Clapper will burn for it.
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 26, 2012 06:43 PM (/1U3u)
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It's above my paygrade!
Posted by: Barack H Obama II at October 26, 2012 06:43 PM (zLp5I)
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THE HORROR, THE HORROR
Posted by: Michelle's Strap-On at October 26, 2012 06:43 PM (a0nis)
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (p62mg)
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Local Reporter Commits Act of Journalism
I think you might be seeing the tip of the old "preference cascade" on the part of reporters.
Denver Channel 9 (I think that was) is not exactly conservative.
I think you might be seeing the tip of the old "preference cascade" on the part of reporters.
Denver Channel 9 (I think that was) is not exactly conservative.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (Qxe/p)
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Regardless of how one feels about Petreaus being part of TFG's kinda-inner circle, I just have a very hard time imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die.
I just can't believe it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (piMMO)
Petraeus hasn't resigned. If you were in his position and not part of this crime you probably would have resigned, immediately. And, if not, after hearing the Indonesian and his junta lie to America over and over about this you certainly would have resigned at some point in the next month.
Petraeus is knee deep in this shit with the rest of them. And he was happy to strangle troops with ROEs that respected the lives of barbaric terrorists more than American troops - "hearts and minds" and all that retarded shit that has never won a war in all of human history.
I just can't believe it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (piMMO)
Petraeus hasn't resigned. If you were in his position and not part of this crime you probably would have resigned, immediately. And, if not, after hearing the Indonesian and his junta lie to America over and over about this you certainly would have resigned at some point in the next month.
Petraeus is knee deep in this shit with the rest of them. And he was happy to strangle troops with ROEs that respected the lives of barbaric terrorists more than American troops - "hearts and minds" and all that retarded shit that has never won a war in all of human history.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (X3lox)
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Corporate jet owners?
Posted by: Up with people! at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (kzFo5)
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"I'm a better killer of Americans (and Mexicans) than my Muslim brothers (with whom I stand)."
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (SAA1o)
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This is so nuts. I mean listen, listen to what your saying!! It's paranoid delusion! It's really sad. It's pathetic.
Posted by: Carter Burke Obama at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (s+Cb9)
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Seriously, if the rumors are true and Hillary can blow this whole thing up, she needs to follow her husband's advice and destroy Obama.
This man needs to get a one way trip to the electric chair if he ordered our men to die.
This man needs to get a one way trip to the electric chair if he ordered our men to die.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (M1gmo)
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I thought I had 3 chances, just like the Bin Laden Strike!
Posted by: Barack H Obama II at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (zLp5I)
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It's amazing how many mistakes and stupid actions happen in this administration that Nobody did.
This Nobody person needs a major ass-kicking.
It's amazing how many mistakes and stupid actions happen in this administration that Nobody did.
This Nobody person needs a major ass-kicking.
Posted by: Meremortal w/tar+feathers ready for Greg at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (jTKU5)
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Niedermeyer's Dead Horse, "Regardless of how one feels about Petreaus
being part of TFG's kinda-inner circle, I just have a very hard time
imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die."
Remember
Somalia? 36 hours of fighting till it got down to hand to hand. Rangers
naked bodies dragged thru the streets. You want to retract that
statement?
****
I should clarify to say that I can imagine it, I just can't accept it.
Every time I try to think of it, my brain just simply rejects the concept as making no sense. As being completely implausible. As unimaginable.
Vicious circle.
being part of TFG's kinda-inner circle, I just have a very hard time
imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die."
Remember
Somalia? 36 hours of fighting till it got down to hand to hand. Rangers
naked bodies dragged thru the streets. You want to retract that
statement?
****
I should clarify to say that I can imagine it, I just can't accept it.
Every time I try to think of it, my brain just simply rejects the concept as making no sense. As being completely implausible. As unimaginable.
Vicious circle.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (piMMO)
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Tea Baggers?
Posted by: Up with people! at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (kzFo5)
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You read it here first.
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (jZn+7)
No, I've been reading about this convoluted'Blind Sheik' conspiracy bullshit all day. Give it a rest.
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 26, 2012 06:38 PM (jZn+7)
No, I've been reading about this convoluted'Blind Sheik' conspiracy bullshit all day. Give it a rest.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (vtiE6)
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Kirsten Powers has had it up.to.there.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (piMMO)
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No one... in the CIA.
On like Donkey Kong. Betcha Bill's talked Hillary into releasing the docs by now.
I was driving home from dinner with the 'rents, who have been watching Fox News all day and are horrified about Libya, and I was listening to Levin reading all of this and it's just utterly horrifying.
Treason. It's treason.
On like Donkey Kong. Betcha Bill's talked Hillary into releasing the docs by now.
I was driving home from dinner with the 'rents, who have been watching Fox News all day and are horrified about Libya, and I was listening to Levin reading all of this and it's just utterly horrifying.
Treason. It's treason.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (Gk3SS)
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orca?
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (N89yK)
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Petraeus himself called that dumbass pastor in Florida over the Koran burning crap. He's all mobbed up with the Obama crowd.
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 26, 2012 06:46 PM (/1U3u)
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Forwhat it's worth. I don't want to believe it either. 36 fucking hours fighting for your life in a Muslim shithole and no C-130 putting a ring of death around our Rangers daring anyone to come within a mile of the place. Yes a dam Democrat president will do such a thing and Generals are unwilling to give up their stars to order a go without permission.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at October 26, 2012 06:46 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: Velma Dinkley at October 26, 2012 06:46 PM (VPMjy)
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It's amazing how many mistakes and stupid actions happen in this administration that Nobody did.
****
Oh jeez.
I just pictured the Family Circus comic with "Not me"
That is a parody begging to be made.
****
Oh jeez.
I just pictured the Family Circus comic with "Not me"
That is a parody begging to be made.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:46 PM (piMMO)
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I am starting to see why they actually think going after Osama was such a "gutsy call." They actually believe that because all they understand is optics and political ramifications.
This was Obama's thinking:
1) If they die in Benchazi, it's bad, but it's not our fault.
2) If we try to rescue them and something goes horribly wrong and that is our fault.
Therefore, number one is preferable.
I have no doubt this was their assessment. They would rather let people die than risk a "Desert One" scenario. Our people dying was not the worst case scenario in their mind. Bad politics was.
This was Obama's thinking:
1) If they die in Benchazi, it's bad, but it's not our fault.
2) If we try to rescue them and something goes horribly wrong and that is our fault.
Therefore, number one is preferable.
I have no doubt this was their assessment. They would rather let people die than risk a "Desert One" scenario. Our people dying was not the worst case scenario in their mind. Bad politics was.
Posted by: Tommy V at October 26, 2012 06:46 PM (ZYlKz)
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Presidentin is hard yo!
Posted by: SCOAMF at October 26, 2012 06:47 PM (MHk3m)
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And apparently no one in the CIA ordered them to stand up either.
Posted by: FeralCat at October 26, 2012 06:47 PM (NmAt0)
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Valerie wasn't talking to me that day. She was busy with Michelle picking out carpet for the new place in Honolulu. I did not have permission to decide.
Posted by: Barack H Obama II at October 26, 2012 06:47 PM (zLp5I)
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Kirsten Powers has had it up.to.there.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (piMMO)
She's pissed!
Kirsten Powers has had it up.to.there.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (piMMO)
She's pissed!
Posted by: Tami at October 26, 2012 06:47 PM (X6akg)
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On the upside , when O loses his job next month , there seems to be a ambassador gig that needs filling .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at October 26, 2012 06:47 PM (lo/S5)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 06:48 PM (SAA1o)
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I was driving home from dinner with the 'rents, who have been watching
Fox News all day and are horrified about Libya, and I was listening to
Levin reading all of this and it's just utterly horrifying.
Treason. It's treason.
****
I was driving down the street today and just broke down sobbing.
The implications are so great that I can barely wrap my mind around it.
I wonder if benefits will be denied to our heroes due to their failing to follow orders.
Fox News all day and are horrified about Libya, and I was listening to
Levin reading all of this and it's just utterly horrifying.
Treason. It's treason.
****
I was driving down the street today and just broke down sobbing.
The implications are so great that I can barely wrap my mind around it.
I wonder if benefits will be denied to our heroes due to their failing to follow orders.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:49 PM (piMMO)
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I blame global warming
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at October 26, 2012 06:49 PM (N89yK)
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cocaine is a helluva drug
Posted by: Max Power at October 26, 2012 06:49 PM (q177U)
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"Petraeus hasn't resigned. If you were in his
position and not part of this crime you probably would have resigned,
immediately. And, if not, after hearing the Indonesian and his junta
lie to America over and over about this you certainly would have
resigned at some point in the next month.
Petraeus is knee deep in this shit with the rest of them. And he
was happy to strangle troops with ROEs that respected the lives of
barbaric terrorists more than American troops - "hearts and minds" and
all that retarded shit that has never won a war in all of human history.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (X3lox)"
Bullseye.
position and not part of this crime you probably would have resigned,
immediately. And, if not, after hearing the Indonesian and his junta
lie to America over and over about this you certainly would have
resigned at some point in the next month.
Petraeus is knee deep in this shit with the rest of them. And he
was happy to strangle troops with ROEs that respected the lives of
barbaric terrorists more than American troops - "hearts and minds" and
all that retarded shit that has never won a war in all of human history.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 06:44 PM (X3lox)"
Bullseye.
Posted by: FeralCat at October 26, 2012 06:49 PM (GZmsj)
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The guy who is deputy DCI is a 30 year lifer who Panetta promoted to DDCI. Petraeus could resign and have the joint still be in (presumably) capable hands.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 26, 2012 06:49 PM (eRV2W)
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There just basically going to call Fox news liars. End of story, as if the media noticed it anyway..
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (9+ccr)
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Anyone seeing Jake Tapper's latest tweets--
He has virtually guaranteed that no one will leak to him and/or ABC.
They would be crazy to do so.
He has virtually guaranteed that no one will leak to him and/or ABC.
They would be crazy to do so.
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (r2PLg)
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Some tough questions are asked, but Obama filibusters for five minutes on each. It's very boring.
TFG can also mean Tedious Fucking Guy
TFG can also mean Tedious Fucking Guy
Posted by: fluffonutta at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (z9HTb)
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Please G-D give me back my Country
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (j1gX1)
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None of these people countermanded my orders. Aren't they all great Americans!
Posted by: Barack H Obama II at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (zLp5I)
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orca is Romney's high tech effort at running a virtual real time strike list operation on Election Day.
You will automatically lose your moron card if you don't sign up!
I'll be glad to esplain what strike list means if you don't know
You will automatically lose your moron card if you don't sign up!
I'll be glad to esplain what strike list means if you don't know
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (p62mg)
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Kristin Powers is totally pissed off about this "didn't have enough intelligence" bull.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (dX4hn)
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Well, I couldn't get through the "folks" drinking game to finish watching that video but I must say Obama looks like absolute crap. Like someone who is drained by the awareness of impending loss.
Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (DQMcq)
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From a military-ish contact I have:
Me: David Petraeus: No One In the CIA Ordered Operatives To Stand Down...
Contact: That is not true. And he would not be a person who would know such things.
Me: He head of CIA tho
Contact: Yes. They are not organized to have the Washington people in charge of remote sites like that. There are section chiefs.
Contact: And someone told the standby special ops forces to not go to assist
Contact: They are military. Not CIA.
Me: David Petraeus: No One In the CIA Ordered Operatives To Stand Down...
Contact: That is not true. And he would not be a person who would know such things.
Me: He head of CIA tho
Contact: Yes. They are not organized to have the Washington people in charge of remote sites like that. There are section chiefs.
Contact: And someone told the standby special ops forces to not go to assist
Contact: They are military. Not CIA.
Posted by: kerncon at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (M+4md)
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Actually... I don't know what's so great about it. Some tough
questions are asked, but Obama filibusters for five minutes on each.
It's very boring.
Yeah the interviewer clearly doesn't like Obama, but he lets him yammer on for like 4 minutes without really saying anything.
questions are asked, but Obama filibusters for five minutes on each.
It's very boring.
Yeah the interviewer clearly doesn't like Obama, but he lets him yammer on for like 4 minutes without really saying anything.
Posted by: lorien1973 at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (mcWHD)
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I'm telling ya, pitchforks and tar on a march to DC. This should have americans up in arms! Son's on his 9th deploy and this shit gets old real quick!
I'm telling ya, pitchforks and tar on a march to DC. This should have americans up in arms! Son's on his 9th deploy and this shit gets old real quick!
Posted by: armymom at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (ahrb1)
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No one in the CIA.
Alright. Is State coming out with a similar statement.
Alright. Is State coming out with a similar statement.
Posted by: WisRich at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (j1dpo)
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There appears to be no such thing as an honorable person in this government.
Petraeus sacrificed his reputation when he defended the nonsensical youtube story and he's done nothing to reclaim it since.
Petraeus sacrificed his reputation when he defended the nonsensical youtube story and he's done nothing to reclaim it since.
Posted by: JEM at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (6vk+s)
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I am so sick over this. Obama or whoever made that fucking call needs to pay.
Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at October 26, 2012 06:51 PM (GrtrJ)
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The implications are so great that I can barely wrap my mind around it.
That's where I am. If the Fox News story is true, the lasting damage to the gov't and military will be tremendous.
That's where I am. If the Fox News story is true, the lasting damage to the gov't and military will be tremendous.
Posted by: wooga at October 26, 2012 06:51 PM (vjyZP)
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Did that local reporter always have balls like bowling balls?
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 26, 2012 06:51 PM (+QKfp)
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Attention!!! General Petraeus here. I condemn the action of the
individual in the United States who made a film disrespecting the Great
Prophet Mohammad. That action was hateful. It was intolerant, and it was
extremely disrespectful. I condemn the actions of a small number of
individuals who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Qur’an.
Together with our Muslim Partners in Peace, we must secure and serve the
people of the Muslim world.
individual in the United States who made a film disrespecting the Great
Prophet Mohammad. That action was hateful. It was intolerant, and it was
extremely disrespectful. I condemn the actions of a small number of
individuals who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Qur’an.
Together with our Muslim Partners in Peace, we must secure and serve the
people of the Muslim world.
Posted by: David Petraeus at October 26, 2012 06:51 PM (cY9nU)
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I don't know if this has been said, but how could trading the Blind Sheikh for a US ambassador come off as a good deal?
Does Obama think America would look favorably on that? I don't get it.
I'm more inclined to believe the weapons angle ... just sounds more plausible. Just my .02.
Does Obama think America would look favorably on that? I don't get it.
I'm more inclined to believe the weapons angle ... just sounds more plausible. Just my .02.
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at October 26, 2012 06:51 PM (GRvW4)
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (r2PLg)
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This is about to blow up.
Posted by: Sugar Fatty at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (EX+sq)
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And apparently no one in the CIA ordered them to stand up either.
Posted by: FeralCat at October 26, 2012 06:47 PM (NmAt0)
Yep. If Allen West were CIA Director he would have ignored orders and sent assets in to support them, just as he did in Iraq. West would have worried more about America and Americans than his career. And if someone stopped him from doing this I have no doubt West would have resigned on the spot.
Posted by: FeralCat at October 26, 2012 06:47 PM (NmAt0)
Yep. If Allen West were CIA Director he would have ignored orders and sent assets in to support them, just as he did in Iraq. West would have worried more about America and Americans than his career. And if someone stopped him from doing this I have no doubt West would have resigned on the spot.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (X3lox)
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Ever noticed how this guy never does anything?
"I gave three very clear directives: 1) Make sure we are doing everything we need to. 2) Investigate so it doesn't happen again. 3) Find out who did it."
Captain Obvious.
If that's all it takes--giving directives--than why did you not give directive #1 beforehand? And if you did, why wasn't it effective?
"I gave three very clear directives: 1) Make sure we are doing everything we need to. 2) Investigate so it doesn't happen again. 3) Find out who did it."
Captain Obvious.
If that's all it takes--giving directives--than why did you not give directive #1 beforehand? And if you did, why wasn't it effective?
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (vouc9)
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This is an October Surprise to me!
Posted by: Barack H Obama II at October 26, 2012 06:53 PM (zLp5I)
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This just in from OFA
We just found out that Mitt Romney and the Republicans outraised us in the first half of this month, putting us $45 million behind during these crucial final days.
The math here is pretty simple: With that cash advantage, they can outspend us by $4 million per day, every day, for the final 11 days.
We know what that means -- more and more misleading, negative ads trashing the President, you, me, and everything we've accomplished together over the past four years.
We just found out that Mitt Romney and the Republicans outraised us in the first half of this month, putting us $45 million behind during these crucial final days.
The math here is pretty simple: With that cash advantage, they can outspend us by $4 million per day, every day, for the final 11 days.
We know what that means -- more and more misleading, negative ads trashing the President, you, me, and everything we've accomplished together over the past four years.
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at October 26, 2012 06:53 PM (p62mg)
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If that's all it takes--giving directives--than why
did you not give directive #1 beforehand? And if you did, why wasn't it
effective?
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (vouc9)
Sure, on his way to Vegas Baby!
did you not give directive #1 beforehand? And if you did, why wasn't it
effective?
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (vouc9)
Sure, on his way to Vegas Baby!
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 26, 2012 06:53 PM (9+ccr)
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It's quite clear, the military was required, under orders to protect Stevens and the only reason they did not come in, guns ablaze, was becauseObama told them to stand down. Obama knew within minutes as did the rapid response at AfComm. They were moving to the attacks and would have been there if it were not for the direct order to stand down. They had targets lased and a platform in the area. This is huge and Obama should be made to answer for his call.
It's quite clear, the military was required, under orders to protect Stevens and the only reason they did not come in, guns ablaze, was becauseObama told them to stand down. Obama knew within minutes as did the rapid response at AfComm. They were moving to the attacks and would have been there if it were not for the direct order to stand down. They had targets lased and a platform in the area. This is huge and Obama should be made to answer for his call.
Posted by: Walknot at October 26, 2012 06:53 PM (cey9b)
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78 We have to take it back.
Posted by: steevy at October 26, 2012 06:53 PM (Ts9tU)
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80 yeah what is this strike list stuff
I signed up to be a volunteer on election day is that what you mean
I signed up to be a volunteer on election day is that what you mean
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at October 26, 2012 06:54 PM (N89yK)
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Fucking Panetta pisses me off every time I see that clip of him saying they didn't have enough info. No embassy in the world can now depend upon any help ever arriving if attacked by terrorists based on what he said.
This is complete bull. I Want To See The Drone Video.
Fucking Panetta pisses me off every time I see that clip of him saying they didn't have enough info. No embassy in the world can now depend upon any help ever arriving if attacked by terrorists based on what he said.
This is complete bull. I Want To See The Drone Video.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 26, 2012 06:54 PM (PHb2k)
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The longer this goes on the worse it looks for Obama and his crew. Anyone else notice that these drips are occurring at such a pace that Obama will be fingered about a week before the election?
Once Patreaus officially stated "not me" then logically the only question remaining then is who did order a stand down? No matter how this proceeds it makes Obama look really bad - either he's so disconnected that he couldnt have made the call or he's truly dialed in and screwed the pooch by making it. Anyone else notice how hoarse Obama sounds lately? His goose is cooked and he knows it.
Once Patreaus officially stated "not me" then logically the only question remaining then is who did order a stand down? No matter how this proceeds it makes Obama look really bad - either he's so disconnected that he couldnt have made the call or he's truly dialed in and screwed the pooch by making it. Anyone else notice how hoarse Obama sounds lately? His goose is cooked and he knows it.
Posted by: Volfan at October 26, 2012 06:54 PM (RTb48)
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All I know is that the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Oh, and wake me up when it's time to go to Vegas. Now watch this drive.
Posted by: JEF at October 26, 2012 06:54 PM (sOtz/)
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Niedermeyer's Dead Horse, "Regardless of how one feels about Petreaus being part of TFG's kinda-inner circle, I just have a very hard time imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die."
Remember Somalia? 36 hours of fighting till it got down to hand to hand. Rangers naked bodies dragged thru the streets. You want to retract that statement?
Hey loudmouthed idiot: nobody left anybody to die in Mog. 10th Mountain fought their way in outnumbered 100+ to 1 and they fought their way back out again. Nobody and I mean nobody even thought "stand down" for a nano second. We took damn near 40 casualties. So screw you.
Remember Somalia? 36 hours of fighting till it got down to hand to hand. Rangers naked bodies dragged thru the streets. You want to retract that statement?
Hey loudmouthed idiot: nobody left anybody to die in Mog. 10th Mountain fought their way in outnumbered 100+ to 1 and they fought their way back out again. Nobody and I mean nobody even thought "stand down" for a nano second. We took damn near 40 casualties. So screw you.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at October 26, 2012 06:54 PM (p4U6S)
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No mater
how tragic the untimely death of a few Americans might be to some, abroad or at home, we
must not let this affect the diversity of those who watch our embassies and consulates,
as if we did, that would be a much greater tragedy.
how tragic the untimely death of a few Americans might be to some, abroad or at home, we
must not let this affect the diversity of those who watch our embassies and consulates,
as if we did, that would be a much greater tragedy.
Posted by: General Casey at October 26, 2012 06:55 PM (parIF)
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Once Patreaus officially stated "not me" then
logically the only question remaining then is who did order a stand
down? No matter how this proceeds it makes Obama look really bad -
either he's so disconnected that he couldnt have made the call or he's
truly dialed in and screwed the pooch by making it. Anyone else notice
how hoarse Obama sounds lately? His goose is cooked and he knows it.
Posted by: Volfan at October 26, 2012 06:54 PM (RTb4
They're trying to say there was no order to "stand" down...fox lies ...
logically the only question remaining then is who did order a stand
down? No matter how this proceeds it makes Obama look really bad -
either he's so disconnected that he couldnt have made the call or he's
truly dialed in and screwed the pooch by making it. Anyone else notice
how hoarse Obama sounds lately? His goose is cooked and he knows it.
Posted by: Volfan at October 26, 2012 06:54 PM (RTb4
They're trying to say there was no order to "stand" down...fox lies ...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 26, 2012 06:55 PM (9+ccr)
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Only two choices left...
Ogabe, or Gen Carter Ham the AfriCom commander.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (eRV2W)
And if this administration could prove the General made this call on his own, we'd have already heard about it. It's been a month and a half.
Ogabe, or Gen Carter Ham the AfriCom commander.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 26, 2012 06:37 PM (eRV2W)
And if this administration could prove the General made this call on his own, we'd have already heard about it. It's been a month and a half.
Posted by: Methos at October 26, 2012 06:55 PM (hO9ad)
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This is about to blow up.
Posted by: Sugar Fatty at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (EX+sq)
yes, turning point
Posted by: Sugar Fatty at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (EX+sq)
yes, turning point
Posted by: Max Power at October 26, 2012 06:55 PM (q177U)
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These fine well meaning upstanding Muslims were just stressed out from not being
able to eat during the day during Ramadan.
able to eat during the day during Ramadan.
Posted by: General Allen at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (NmAt0)
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None of these people countermanded my orders. Aren't they all great Americans!
Posted by: Barack H Obama II at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (zLp5I)
No CIA Director or military commander would countermand the orders of the President in a military situation, not even a C-in-C as inept and feckless as President Obama. Military obedience to the civilian authority is ingrained in our national DNA. Disobeying him under such circumstances would set the very worst sort of precedent.
And those of you condemning Petraeus? Clueless, the lot of you. He's a good man and a patriot, and there's a bigger picture here than we can see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, thanks.
Posted by: Barack H Obama II at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (zLp5I)
No CIA Director or military commander would countermand the orders of the President in a military situation, not even a C-in-C as inept and feckless as President Obama. Military obedience to the civilian authority is ingrained in our national DNA. Disobeying him under such circumstances would set the very worst sort of precedent.
And those of you condemning Petraeus? Clueless, the lot of you. He's a good man and a patriot, and there's a bigger picture here than we can see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, thanks.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (vtiE6)
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Goofball conspiracy theories aside, what possible rationale might there be for refusing to respond to an 8-hour long attack on one of our consulates? Did brass think it was a mix of civilians protesting + terrorists and didn't want to risk stories about collateral damage?
Posted by: Sugar Fatty at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (EX+sq)
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NBC national news is completely ignoring this story.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (k4FbW)
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That was almost a Clinton level of word smithing there.
Hmm, it's like they may be advising him.
Any body know a previous connection between the Clintons and Petraeus?
Hmm, it's like they may be advising him.
Any body know a previous connection between the Clintons and Petraeus?
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (imtbm)
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O is really running out of gas. His spiel has hardly changed in 4 years. I think anyone who watches this interview will end up voting RR.
Posted by: Chris M at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (b3vSq)
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (eRV2W)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (SAA1o)
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I I I I I I I
Fucker never stops saying the word I.
Tell me something Barry you economic wizard, you've whining for 8 years now that Bush and the Republicans put 2 wars on the credit card, they borrowed it. How then are you going to take the money we aren't spending on the wars, borrowed money, and spend it at home without increasing the DEBT!
Jesus, this guy is an ignorant, lying, narcissistic coward.
Fucker never stops saying the word I.
Tell me something Barry you economic wizard, you've whining for 8 years now that Bush and the Republicans put 2 wars on the credit card, they borrowed it. How then are you going to take the money we aren't spending on the wars, borrowed money, and spend it at home without increasing the DEBT!
Jesus, this guy is an ignorant, lying, narcissistic coward.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (TMB3S)
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If the CIA didnt say 'Stand Down" .. it could have only come from the White House.
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (DGIjM)
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The ultimate responsibility lays with the Jug Eared Fuckwit Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure in Chief.
Africa Commander could have nixed the idea of support/rescue.
Panetta could have nixed that idea.
It does not fucking matter, ultimately it lays with Obama.
Africa Commander could have nixed the idea of support/rescue.
Panetta could have nixed that idea.
It does not fucking matter, ultimately it lays with Obama.
Posted by: SCOAMF at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (MHk3m)
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Come on, General....be a hero--tell the truth about Hussein.
PS--your career is already shot; he can't help you.
Come on, General....be a hero--tell the truth about Hussein.
PS--your career is already shot; he can't help you.
Posted by: USS Diversity at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (0CiTm)
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I told you Barack, I needed 30 more minutes to contact my handlers, but nooo, you have to say "Stop IT!", and then storm off to see Reggie.
Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at October 26, 2012 06:57 PM (zLp5I)
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Obama was obviously try to run down the clock. But anyone paying attention must see that Obama wasn't answering the tough questions. It was an Obama speech artfully punctuated with harsh critiques. And Obama could lash out like he could with Romney. I agree it wasn't as fulfilling as it could have been. Granted it was like poking holes into an already deflated balloon, the question is whether people want to vote for a deflated balloon.
Posted by: Crispian at October 26, 2012 06:57 PM (unPeQ)
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This is all fine and dandy and you all know where I stand but I was out to eat tonight with my liberal asshole family ( sister and aunt/uncle) and all they talk about are vaginas and abortions?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 26, 2012 06:57 PM (j1gX1)
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Fucking sock
Posted by: Holger at October 26, 2012 06:58 PM (MHk3m)
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"Posted by: kerncon at October 26, 2012 06:50 PM (M+4md)"
interesting, that
sounds like the pentagon made that decision; Libya section chief reported to Washington that it was a terror ttack - that came out earlier
interesting, that
sounds like the pentagon made that decision; Libya section chief reported to Washington that it was a terror ttack - that came out earlier
Posted by: runner at October 26, 2012 06:58 PM (WR5xI)
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Yep. If Allen West were CIA Director he would have
ignored orders and sent assets in to support them, just as he did in
Iraq. West would have worried more about America and Americans than his
career. And if someone stopped him from doing this I have no doubt
West would have resigned on the spot.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (X3lox)
There was an incident with captured British soldiers in Basra when people on the ground were told to stand down by the high command. They went in.
ignored orders and sent assets in to support them, just as he did in
Iraq. West would have worried more about America and Americans than his
career. And if someone stopped him from doing this I have no doubt
West would have resigned on the spot.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (X3lox)
There was an incident with captured British soldiers in Basra when people on the ground were told to stand down by the high command. They went in.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 26, 2012 06:58 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 26, 2012 06:58 PM (nTgAI)
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I give up. I can't solve this mystery."
Actually, we shouldn't even try considering the political atmosphere is just too partisan. We should just stick with what and who we've got and do nothing more about it. It's really the most fair and patriotic thing to do.
Actually, we shouldn't even try considering the political atmosphere is just too partisan. We should just stick with what and who we've got and do nothing more about it. It's really the most fair and patriotic thing to do.
Posted by: Jerry Rivers at October 26, 2012 06:58 PM (eHIJJ)
131
Ahh, that Betrayus is such a bullshitter.
Posted by: BHO Jackwagon Knows BO at October 26, 2012 06:58 PM (0It32)
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And Obama just keeps rolling along..campaigning as if nothing at all has happened.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:58 PM (piMMO)
133
And those of you condemning Petraeus? Clueless, the lot of you. He's a good man and a patriot, and there's a bigger picture here than we can see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, thanks.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (vtiE6)
Petraeus is a piece of shit.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (vtiE6)
Petraeus is a piece of shit.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 06:59 PM (X3lox)
134
132
And Obama just keeps rolling along..campaigning as if nothing at all has happened.
I honestly don't think he's the least bit concerned about it. His media buddies are covering for him...
And Obama just keeps rolling along..campaigning as if nothing at all has happened.
I honestly don't think he's the least bit concerned about it. His media buddies are covering for him...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 26, 2012 06:59 PM (9+ccr)
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110 This is about to blow up.
Posted by: Sugar Fatty at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (EX+sq)
yes, turning point
Posted by: Max Power at October 26, 2012 06:55 PM (q177U)
Makes me wonder how much Romney DID know about actual details during the last debate.
If he knew, and knew how to let it drip out (frustratingly) slowly, it was a stroke of genius.
Posted by: Sugar Fatty at October 26, 2012 06:52 PM (EX+sq)
yes, turning point
Posted by: Max Power at October 26, 2012 06:55 PM (q177U)
Makes me wonder how much Romney DID know about actual details during the last debate.
If he knew, and knew how to let it drip out (frustratingly) slowly, it was a stroke of genius.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 26, 2012 07:00 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 26, 2012 07:00 PM (PHb2k)
137
"That was almost a Clinton level of word smithing there.
Hmm, it's like they may be advising him.
Any body know a previous connection between the Clintons and Petraeus?
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (imtbm)"Petraeus’s Israel Problem
His policy is to turn our back on a staunch ally.
ByAndrew C. McCarthy
"Boot’s attack on West is an effort to defend a surpassingly foolish
statement in which Gen. David Petraeus cast Israel as the source of all
America’s woes in the Middle East. To his great discredit, the general —
in a Clintonesque fashion which, as we shall see, is probably not a
coincidence — simultaneously denied making the statement, grudgingly
admitted making it while minimizing its significance, and accused West
and others of misrepresenting his views. In fact, the general’s critics
quoted his words at length, placed them in unmistakable context, and
drew from them the same commonsense conclusion drawn by Israel’s gleeful
critics — for whom Petraeus is the hero of the moment.</b>
As head of Central Command, General Petraeus’s area of responsibility includes Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East. That is, CENTCOM is the U.S. military’s bridge to the Muslim umma,
much of which despises America. The vast majority of Americans couldn’t
care less about that. It is Islam’s problem, not ours — we’re not dying
to be loved by a dysfunctional civilization that produces most of the
planet’s terrorists. <b>But for the Wilsonians who deem it worth our time,
money, and lives to try to remake the Islamic world, Muslim animus is
something that must be addressed — otherwise, they’d have to concede
that there is nothing we can do about it, that Muslims resent more than
appreciate our help, and that their grand project is thus a fool’s
errand."
Hmm, it's like they may be advising him.
Any body know a previous connection between the Clintons and Petraeus?
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 26, 2012 06:56 PM (imtbm)"Petraeus’s Israel Problem
His policy is to turn our back on a staunch ally.
ByAndrew C. McCarthy
"Boot’s attack on West is an effort to defend a surpassingly foolish
statement in which Gen. David Petraeus cast Israel as the source of all
America’s woes in the Middle East. To his great discredit, the general —
in a Clintonesque fashion which, as we shall see, is probably not a
coincidence — simultaneously denied making the statement, grudgingly
admitted making it while minimizing its significance, and accused West
and others of misrepresenting his views. In fact, the general’s critics
quoted his words at length, placed them in unmistakable context, and
drew from them the same commonsense conclusion drawn by Israel’s gleeful
critics — for whom Petraeus is the hero of the moment.</b>
As head of Central Command, General Petraeus’s area of responsibility includes Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East. That is, CENTCOM is the U.S. military’s bridge to the Muslim umma,
much of which despises America. The vast majority of Americans couldn’t
care less about that. It is Islam’s problem, not ours — we’re not dying
to be loved by a dysfunctional civilization that produces most of the
planet’s terrorists. <b>But for the Wilsonians who deem it worth our time,
money, and lives to try to remake the Islamic world, Muslim animus is
something that must be addressed — otherwise, they’d have to concede
that there is nothing we can do about it, that Muslims resent more than
appreciate our help, and that their grand project is thus a fool’s
errand."
Posted by: FeralCat at October 26, 2012 07:00 PM (GZmsj)
138
Yeah, well 47% of us are more concerned with Labia not Libya. Pap smears? ObamaCare says we're safe for three years, not the yearly check-up we used to get. So some of us women are gonna get cervical cancer from HPV. A small price to pay for a free cell phone, if you ask me.
Posted by: Typical Leftie at October 26, 2012 07:00 PM (feFL6)
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Thank God Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan made such a fuss out of this or we might never have known anything.... right Stef Cunter?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:00 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 07:00 PM (SAA1o)
141
[He's a good man and a patriot, and there's a bigger picture here than we
can see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, thanks.
A good man and a patriot would resign.
can see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, thanks.
A good man and a patriot would resign.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
142
Chemjeff. We need all morons orca ing.
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (p62mg)
143
That's a tough question. We should ask the smartest guy in the history of smarts. I bet he knows the answer.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Rrc6j)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: JDP at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (60GaT)
146
You will automatically lose your moron card if you don't sign up!
Do we get indulgence if we can't sign up. Say, because we're going to be election judges?
Do we get indulgence if we can't sign up. Say, because we're going to be election judges?
Posted by: Methos at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (hO9ad)
147
Obama won the debates.
Posted by: RomneyLosesBig at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (xXhWA)
148
Just imagine relying on that evil bastard Obama to have your back. I can't stand thinking of those poor souls waiting for help that would never come.
Posted by: Uncle Miltie F. at October 26, 2012 07:02 PM (/W9ou)
149
Is that why Bite-me made the balls comment, he already knew they were ordered to stand down?
Posted by: Brian at October 26, 2012 07:02 PM (+RCdH)
150
Kirsten Powers took the WaPo (Chuck) guy to the cleaners for trying to defend the administration on Benghazi. She demolished him. He tried to defend the indefensible and she smoked him.
Yes, I know, and yes, Kirsten Powers
Yes, I know, and yes, Kirsten Powers
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:02 PM (jx2j9)
151
I made myself watch the video and he looks so wasted. He's going to stroke out from all that coke and weed he's using. Probably heroin too.
Posted by: wrylite at October 26, 2012 07:02 PM (wLIfj)
152
Instead of a Tier One rescue we've decided to implement our hugs-not-jihad program in Libya. The rapey dragging is not optimal. Could lead to bumps in the road.
Posted by: General Allen at October 26, 2012 07:02 PM (sOtz/)
153
is it just me or has the mole on his nose grown with each lie?
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 07:02 PM (JWLqy)
154
And that crapweasel shep smith leads with the fucking hurricane. Fuck you polesmoker.
Posted by: Timon at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (VbC46)
155
147 Obama won the debates.
Posted by: RomneyLosesBig at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (xXhWA)
Possibly. http://tinyurl.com/ylt56a
Posted by: RomneyLosesBig at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (xXhWA)
Possibly. http://tinyurl.com/ylt56a
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (SAA1o)
157
According to a HA Green Room post, the order to stand down could only come from Clapper or TFG.
Boy, that original story sure was a good one, huh? Glory to spare for everyone involved. Except those who fought and were left to die.
Boy, that original story sure was a good one, huh? Glory to spare for everyone involved. Except those who fought and were left to die.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (ccXZP)
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I think it's worse than Obama. It's Valerie Jarrett.
Now why is someone like Valerie Jarrett making these types of decisions?
Now why is someone like Valerie Jarrett making these types of decisions?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (BuSM8)
159
A good man and a patriot would resign.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
Consider throwing the President under the bus in the crucial two weeks before the election a de facto resignation. President Obama (and his people) are notoriously vindictive.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
Consider throwing the President under the bus in the crucial two weeks before the election a de facto resignation. President Obama (and his people) are notoriously vindictive.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (vtiE6)
160
Either Fox is wrong or this story destroys this administration.
Posted by: Sugar Fatty at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (EX+sq)
161
Dan Riehl is still in serious condition in ICU. A bunch of lefty shitheads are trashing the comments on his blog.
Dan Riehl is still in serious condition in ICU. A bunch of lefty shitheads are trashing the comments on his blog.
Posted by: Redd at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (RoEtU)
162
154
And that crapweasel shep smith leads with the fucking hurricane. Fuck you polesmoker.
Posted by: Timon at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (VbC46)
Well it would be a good distraction for the media from this...If they were covering it...
And that crapweasel shep smith leads with the fucking hurricane. Fuck you polesmoker.
Posted by: Timon at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (VbC46)
Well it would be a good distraction for the media from this...If they were covering it...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (9+ccr)
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NGU you can always ask your lib relatives how they think the government will be able to hand out free abortions when it's broke
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at October 26, 2012 07:04 PM (N89yK)
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Who's job is it to watch the friday news dump from the WH?
Let's give it to Jerry . He's concerned .
Let's give it to Jerry . He's concerned .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at October 26, 2012 07:04 PM (lo/S5)
165
OT, but Ft. Lauderdale Beach is flooded and Sandy is a good distance from the coast.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:04 PM (piMMO)
166
More solar panel manufacturing in China is really the best way to get jobs here in China, er, Colorado.
Posted by: SCoaMF at October 26, 2012 07:04 PM (eHIJJ)
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LIZ CHENEY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, that is a question that the president of the United States needs to answer for the American people.
You know, I thought that Jennifer's reporting was interesting, and if you combined that with the State Department briefing that they provided on October 8, what looks to have happened is the only reinforcements that actually arrived in Benghazi, it sounds like were called in from Benghazi. The rest of the movements that occurred resulted in no additional reinforcements at Benghazi. And whatever other movements occurred, we now know they clearly were insufficient because we lost four Americans.
We also know that at 5 p.m. on September 11, 2012, President Obama, Vice President Biden and the secretary of defense were meeting in the Oval Office as you had these e-mails coming into the White House situation room, explaining that our consulate was under attack, that we didn't know where the ambassador was, that people were wounded.
So, these e-mails were coming in while they were in the Oval Office. And so far, everything we can tell points in the distribution of the president making no decision to do anything to rescue these people. He's got to explain to the American people, whether or not that's the case.
________________________
Gretawire:
The first email was sent at 4:05 pm et with the subject line “U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack (SBU).”
It goes on to say “The Regional Security Officer reports the diplomatic mission is under attack. Embassy Tripoli reports approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well. Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four COM personnel are in the compound safe haven. The 17th of February militia is providing security support.
The operations Center will provide updates as available.”
The second email came at 4:54 pm.
You know, I thought that Jennifer's reporting was interesting, and if you combined that with the State Department briefing that they provided on October 8, what looks to have happened is the only reinforcements that actually arrived in Benghazi, it sounds like were called in from Benghazi. The rest of the movements that occurred resulted in no additional reinforcements at Benghazi. And whatever other movements occurred, we now know they clearly were insufficient because we lost four Americans.
We also know that at 5 p.m. on September 11, 2012, President Obama, Vice President Biden and the secretary of defense were meeting in the Oval Office as you had these e-mails coming into the White House situation room, explaining that our consulate was under attack, that we didn't know where the ambassador was, that people were wounded.
So, these e-mails were coming in while they were in the Oval Office. And so far, everything we can tell points in the distribution of the president making no decision to do anything to rescue these people. He's got to explain to the American people, whether or not that's the case.
________________________
Gretawire:
The first email was sent at 4:05 pm et with the subject line “U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack (SBU).”
It goes on to say “The Regional Security Officer reports the diplomatic mission is under attack. Embassy Tripoli reports approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well. Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four COM personnel are in the compound safe haven. The 17th of February militia is providing security support.
The operations Center will provide updates as available.”
The second email came at 4:54 pm.
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:04 PM (r2PLg)
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This was Obama's thinking: 1) If they die in Benchazi, it's bad, but it's not our fault. 2) If we try to rescue them and something goes horribly wrong and that is our fault. Therefore, number one is preferable. I have no doubt this was their assessment. They would rather let people die than risk a "Desert One" scenario. Our people dying was not the worst case scenario in their mind. Bad politics was.
Posted by: Tommy V at October 26, 2012 06:46 PM (ZYlKz)
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Absolutely agree. Obama's default position has always been to vote "Present," not take leadership.
Also, if Hillary Clinton and Gen. Petraeus were honorable individuals, they would have resigned rather that go along with the cover story linking this attack to a damned video.
Posted by: Tommy V at October 26, 2012 06:46 PM (ZYlKz)
-------------->>>
Absolutely agree. Obama's default position has always been to vote "Present," not take leadership.
Also, if Hillary Clinton and Gen. Petraeus were honorable individuals, they would have resigned rather that go along with the cover story linking this attack to a damned video.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 26, 2012 07:04 PM (nYHk7)
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Petraeus was out front blaming the video and ignored the eternal Islamic hatred of the kuffar when pushingCOIN in Afghanistan. Strike two.
Posted by: Beagle at October 26, 2012 07:04 PM (sOtz/)
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Romney should be making a list and checking it twice.
He needs to hand it to an aide and have everyone of these people fired at 12:01 on January 20.
Romney should be making a list and checking it twice.
He needs to hand it to an aide and have everyone of these people fired at 12:01 on January 20.
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 07:04 PM (zLp5I)
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And that crapweasel shep smith leads with the fucking hurricane. Fuck you polesmoker.
Posted by: Timon at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (VbC46)
He tried to shit all over Jennifer Griffin earlier today but she would have none of it.
Posted by: Timon at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (VbC46)
He tried to shit all over Jennifer Griffin earlier today but she would have none of it.
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (JWLqy)
172
Romney has been getting intell briefings so he probably assessed the situation as about to explode so he decided not to be seen by 60 million people pulling the pin in the debate.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (Rrc6j)
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At first I thought the fact that TFG went to bed/Vegas was due simply to his aloof tone deafness...but that alone never rang true to me. (These people may be commies but they aren't stupid)
Whats more likely is that as things went south, there was a concerted effort to distance TFG from the disaster he created. So now he can go on TV and say he doesn't have all the facts, and not (technically) be lying.
Plausible deniability.
Whats more likely is that as things went south, there was a concerted effort to distance TFG from the disaster he created. So now he can go on TV and say he doesn't have all the facts, and not (technically) be lying.
Plausible deniability.
Posted by: Atlas Mugged at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (u0GTE)
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A good man and a patriot would resign.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
I just wanted to reiterate that.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
I just wanted to reiterate that.
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (jx2j9)
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I honestly don't think he's the least bit concerned about it. His media buddies are covering for him...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 26, 2012 06:59 PM
http://tinyurl.com/98zfk2d
Pretty much says it all.
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 26, 2012 06:59 PM
http://tinyurl.com/98zfk2d
Pretty much says it all.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (0It32)
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I want Allen West as Secretary of Defense. Then I want him to fire ALL politically correct generals (which are most of them) and promote people he knows will actually fight.
I am totally fed up. On a brighter note, I filled in the sample lady at the grocery store today, and we got into a long LOUD conversation about SCOAMF and everything from his denying drilling in the Gulf while promoting off-shore drilling in Brazil to Fast and Furious.
I was really surprised and a little cautious at first, because she is a transplant from Seattle, but she hates Obama just as much as me!
Everyone within 20 feet got plenty of info on Libya, crooked dealings with green companies, Fast and Furious, etc.
I recommend all morons chat people up at the grocery. Those meat prices get their attention and are a GREAT conversation starter!
I am totally fed up. On a brighter note, I filled in the sample lady at the grocery store today, and we got into a long LOUD conversation about SCOAMF and everything from his denying drilling in the Gulf while promoting off-shore drilling in Brazil to Fast and Furious.
I was really surprised and a little cautious at first, because she is a transplant from Seattle, but she hates Obama just as much as me!
Everyone within 20 feet got plenty of info on Libya, crooked dealings with green companies, Fast and Furious, etc.
I recommend all morons chat people up at the grocery. Those meat prices get their attention and are a GREAT conversation starter!
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Mama AJ at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (SUKHu)
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I always thought it odd that we had the detail that Obama was "asleep" later in the evening of the attack. It just seemed an odd detail and a very callous one. At first I thought it was leaked by someone with a grudge against Obama. But is it possible he will use this detail to say he was "asleep" when the calls were made and no one wanted to wake him?
Posted by: jeannebodine at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (48+2q)
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Andrew Sullivan Sperm Burp Tweet of the Day Today: If football teams change their names to obliterate even a hint of racism, why is a major university still named after a vicious racist? #BYU
I kept looking for his criticisms of the Prophet raping eight year old girls and calling it marriage, we call it pedophilia today, but didn't find anything. My point of this comment is when they've begun Mormon bashing and many are now, they're losing as Dick Cheney would say big time.
I kept looking for his criticisms of the Prophet raping eight year old girls and calling it marriage, we call it pedophilia today, but didn't find anything. My point of this comment is when they've begun Mormon bashing and many are now, they're losing as Dick Cheney would say big time.
Posted by: Brad at October 26, 2012 07:06 PM (4wewJ)
180
Kirsten Powers took the WaPo (Chuck) guy to the cleaners for trying to
defend the administration on Benghazi. She demolished him. He tried to
defend the indefensible and she smoked him.
Yes, I know, and yes, Kirsten Powers
****
That makes twice in the last couple of days that she was seated opposite a Lib during a panel
defend the administration on Benghazi. She demolished him. He tried to
defend the indefensible and she smoked him.
Yes, I know, and yes, Kirsten Powers
****
That makes twice in the last couple of days that she was seated opposite a Lib during a panel
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:06 PM (piMMO)
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I made myself watch the video and he looks so wasted. He's going to
stroke out from all that coke and weed he's using.
Axlerod told him to 'fire up the base' and Joe Biden said, 'literally'.
stroke out from all that coke and weed he's using.
Axlerod told him to 'fire up the base' and Joe Biden said, 'literally'.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 26, 2012 07:07 PM (feFL6)
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Look, it was me, OK?
Barack told me, "Tell the CIA that to stop the rescue is not an option."
So I go over to the room with the CIA guys and I say, "Barack says to stop the rescue...," and then I notice that they had donuts. Jeez, did I ever tell you about the donut shop in my old neighborhood?
So I take a donut and I'm biting into it, and I notice all the CIA guys are looking at me, and one of them says, "Stop?"
So I mumble around a mouthful of donut, "Look, it's just one effing donut!" Jeez, you'd think I wasn't the Vice President or something.
"No sir," the CIA guy says. "What I mean is, the President says to stop?"
"Okay!" I shout, and throw the donut -- it's a "C" shape now -- back into the box. I get tired of being micromanaged by Barack, you know, God love him? So I storm out of the room, and behind me I hear the CIA guy say, "So I guess we call it off," by which I thought he meant they would stop ordering donuts or something.
So, it was me, but listen, I always say what I mean. Too bad about those guys in Benghazi but, jeez, that donut was pretty good.
Barack told me, "Tell the CIA that to stop the rescue is not an option."
So I go over to the room with the CIA guys and I say, "Barack says to stop the rescue...," and then I notice that they had donuts. Jeez, did I ever tell you about the donut shop in my old neighborhood?
So I take a donut and I'm biting into it, and I notice all the CIA guys are looking at me, and one of them says, "Stop?"
So I mumble around a mouthful of donut, "Look, it's just one effing donut!" Jeez, you'd think I wasn't the Vice President or something.
"No sir," the CIA guy says. "What I mean is, the President says to stop?"
"Okay!" I shout, and throw the donut -- it's a "C" shape now -- back into the box. I get tired of being micromanaged by Barack, you know, God love him? So I storm out of the room, and behind me I hear the CIA guy say, "So I guess we call it off," by which I thought he meant they would stop ordering donuts or something.
So, it was me, but listen, I always say what I mean. Too bad about those guys in Benghazi but, jeez, that donut was pretty good.
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 26, 2012 07:07 PM (+QKfp)
183
It's time to water board Obama......
Posted by: izoneguy at October 26, 2012 07:07 PM (oKH8p)
184
172 Romney has been getting intell briefings so he probably assessed the situation as about to explode so he decided not to be seen by 60 million people pulling the pin in the debate.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (Rrc6j)
I did not know that.
Answers pretty much all questions I had.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (Rrc6j)
I did not know that.
Answers pretty much all questions I had.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 26, 2012 07:07 PM (Qxe/p)
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There are no goofball conspiracy theories with the Obamaadministration. They're so steeped in radicalism and so committed to the destruction of American exceptionalism and power that anything is plausible.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at October 26, 2012 07:07 PM (ZETiK)
Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 26, 2012 07:08 PM (JVCVF)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 07:08 PM (SAA1o)
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Consider throwing the President under the bus in the crucial two weeks before the election a de facto resignation.
I do not care about de facto. I want de jure. If Petraeus believes and/or knows that the order to condemn to death a US Ambassador, a State department staff member and two former SEALS came from the White House, then actual resignation is the only honorable option. How can Petraeus bear to be a part of an administration that would do this? Where is the honor in that?
You may continue to believe that he has honor. I am convinced by his actions that he does not.
I do not care about de facto. I want de jure. If Petraeus believes and/or knows that the order to condemn to death a US Ambassador, a State department staff member and two former SEALS came from the White House, then actual resignation is the only honorable option. How can Petraeus bear to be a part of an administration that would do this? Where is the honor in that?
You may continue to believe that he has honor. I am convinced by his actions that he does not.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:08 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Al at October 26, 2012 07:08 PM (MzQOZ)
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Consider throwing the President under the bus in the crucial two weeks before the election a de facto resignation.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (vtiE6)
--------->>>
No, a resignation is a resignation. Petraeus dishonored himself by going along with the cover story about the video.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (vtiE6)
--------->>>
No, a resignation is a resignation. Petraeus dishonored himself by going along with the cover story about the video.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 26, 2012 07:09 PM (nYHk7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:09 PM (piMMO)
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Terrorism gets tempted by transitions.
Terrorism loves turmoil.
Republicans do not have the Senate, do not have the Executive.
On top of all of that there is Syria, and Iran.
Screaming for one man's scalp--the only guy left from the previous transition is extremely short sighted and emotional.
Terrorism loves turmoil.
Republicans do not have the Senate, do not have the Executive.
On top of all of that there is Syria, and Iran.
Screaming for one man's scalp--the only guy left from the previous transition is extremely short sighted and emotional.
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:09 PM (r2PLg)
193
That makes twice in the last couple of days that she was seated opposite a Lib during a panel
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:06 PM (piMMO)
She's been taking very reasoned positions of late on the Obama administration as a whole. Not just the Benghazi thing. If she keeps this up (and I hope she does) she might actually become a journalist with integrity.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:06 PM (piMMO)
She's been taking very reasoned positions of late on the Obama administration as a whole. Not just the Benghazi thing. If she keeps this up (and I hope she does) she might actually become a journalist with integrity.
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:10 PM (jx2j9)
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Prwned by a local news guy.
Barry goes to his stump speech. Does not answer the questions and looks like he is bored.
What is with the head tilt?
Barry goes to his stump speech. Does not answer the questions and looks like he is bored.
What is with the head tilt?
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 26, 2012 07:10 PM (wR+pz)
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You may continue to believe that he has honor. I am convinced by his actions that he does not.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:08 PM (Gk3SS)
This^^^^ a bazillion times
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:08 PM (Gk3SS)
This^^^^ a bazillion times
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 07:10 PM (JWLqy)
196
soon Andrew Sullivan is going to ask why we honor a bunch of Dead White Men (tm,) some of whom owned slaves
For Conservatism of course.
For Conservatism of course.
Posted by: JDP at October 26, 2012 07:11 PM (60GaT)
197
Longest 10 days.
Posted by: ExpatPatriot at October 26, 2012 07:11 PM (ITfLq)
198
195 Yep,and what of Panetta,Hillaryand the JCS?
Posted by: steevy at October 26, 2012 07:11 PM (Ts9tU)
199
Give this reporter some love. There has been not one other reporter brave enough to ask Obama any difficult questions.
Posted by: Timwi at October 26, 2012 07:11 PM (pdhxN)
200
You want to leave Obama, Biden, Donilon, Panetta and Hillary alone?
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:11 PM (r2PLg)
201
She's been taking very reasoned positions of late on the Obama
administration as a whole. Not just the Benghazi thing. If she keeps
this up (and I hope she does) she might actually become a journalist
with integrity.
****
It's been building for about a year now in a sort of two steps forward, one step back rhythm. She's moving in the right direction.
administration as a whole. Not just the Benghazi thing. If she keeps
this up (and I hope she does) she might actually become a journalist
with integrity.
****
It's been building for about a year now in a sort of two steps forward, one step back rhythm. She's moving in the right direction.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:12 PM (piMMO)
202
The BS Obama administration has taken so many contradictory positions on what happened in Benghazi that there is no way to reconcile them all.
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:12 PM (jx2j9)
203
A good man and a patriot would resign.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
I just wanted to reiterate that.
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (jx2j9)
It really can't be repeated enough.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
I just wanted to reiterate that.
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (jx2j9)
It really can't be repeated enough.
Posted by: Methos at October 26, 2012 07:12 PM (hO9ad)
204
Fucking Stoned LIAR. The JEF looks stoned.
Posted by: Mandingo at October 26, 2012 07:12 PM (pUOpM)
205
#125 This is all fine and dandy and you all know where I stand but I was out
to eat tonight with my liberal asshole family ( sister and aunt/uncle)
and all they talk about are vaginas and abortions?
You should simply tell them that if the country collapses, they will have a lot more to worry about than sex. Like survival. Gas may be temporarily down, but food is through the roof. A damn CHUCK ROAST at Kroger was $17.00 today! I didn't buy it, obviously.
I refuse to talk about this stuff. Mitt Romney could want abortion outlawed and it wouldn't make any difference. To get it outlawed you would have to get Roe vs. Wade reversed, and that would take another court case winding its way through the legal system. Or a Constitutional amendment, which would have to pass 2/3 of the Senate AND 2/3 of state legislatures.
They need to quit worrying about imaginary threats and instead worry about the damn country.
to eat tonight with my liberal asshole family ( sister and aunt/uncle)
and all they talk about are vaginas and abortions?
You should simply tell them that if the country collapses, they will have a lot more to worry about than sex. Like survival. Gas may be temporarily down, but food is through the roof. A damn CHUCK ROAST at Kroger was $17.00 today! I didn't buy it, obviously.
I refuse to talk about this stuff. Mitt Romney could want abortion outlawed and it wouldn't make any difference. To get it outlawed you would have to get Roe vs. Wade reversed, and that would take another court case winding its way through the legal system. Or a Constitutional amendment, which would have to pass 2/3 of the Senate AND 2/3 of state legislatures.
They need to quit worrying about imaginary threats and instead worry about the damn country.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 26, 2012 07:12 PM (GoIUi)
206
My hope is that Petraeus is staying in to retain access to vital sources and documentation - IOW material which he either is or will funnel to outside the administration and into Congressional investigative committees and/or media.
Were Petraeus to resign, he'd lose access immediately. I'm not sure that'd be ideal. There's still a chance that the country could go stupid again and reelect TFG. We'll need some insiders who might actually understand and respect the Constitution enough to keep the facts flowing.
Now if Petraeus is actually actively participating in the coverup, then he'll go down as a disgrace. I'm not ready to pile on to him yet.
Were Petraeus to resign, he'd lose access immediately. I'm not sure that'd be ideal. There's still a chance that the country could go stupid again and reelect TFG. We'll need some insiders who might actually understand and respect the Constitution enough to keep the facts flowing.
Now if Petraeus is actually actively participating in the coverup, then he'll go down as a disgrace. I'm not ready to pile on to him yet.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 26, 2012 07:13 PM (eHIJJ)
207
disgusting.
i feel so dirty watching this.
time to clean the house and take a shower
hopefully in 12 days we will have expunged the stink of this shit stain obama from our lives
i feel so dirty watching this.
time to clean the house and take a shower
hopefully in 12 days we will have expunged the stink of this shit stain obama from our lives
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 26, 2012 07:13 PM (ovpNn)
208
What is with the head tilt?
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 26, 2012 07:10 PM (wR+pz)
Don't ask, you'll piss off Andy!
What is with the head tilt?
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 26, 2012 07:10 PM (wR+pz)
Don't ask, you'll piss off Andy!
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 07:13 PM (zLp5I)
209
The BS Obama administration has taken so many contradictory positions on
what happened in Benghazi that there is no way to reconcile them all.
Sure there is. They're 99.994% truth-free. And that sliver is weasel-truth.
what happened in Benghazi that there is no way to reconcile them all.
Sure there is. They're 99.994% truth-free. And that sliver is weasel-truth.
Posted by: Al at October 26, 2012 07:13 PM (MzQOZ)
210
That makes twice in the last couple of days that she was seated opposite a Lib during a panel
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:06 PM (piMMO)
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I think the Benghazi business has her questioning her loyalties to the Democrat party. Notice that she no longer has herself introduced as a "Democrat strategist" but as a "political analyst."
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:06 PM (piMMO)
---------------->>>>
I think the Benghazi business has her questioning her loyalties to the Democrat party. Notice that she no longer has herself introduced as a "Democrat strategist" but as a "political analyst."
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 26, 2012 07:14 PM (nYHk7)
211
174 A good man and a patriot would resign.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
I just wanted to reiterate that.
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (jx2j9)
Agreed!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:01 PM (Gk3SS)
I just wanted to reiterate that.
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:05 PM (jx2j9)
Agreed!
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at October 26, 2012 07:14 PM (DGIjM)
212
Its time for Romney to come clean on his taxes.
Posted by: RomneyLosesBig at October 26, 2012 07:14 PM (xXhWA)
213
I was gonna save Chris Stevens
until I got high.
I was gonna save the Seals but I got high
and my mideast policy is messed up and I know why-
'cause I got high, 'cause I got high, 'cause I got high.
until I got high.
I was gonna save the Seals but I got high
and my mideast policy is messed up and I know why-
'cause I got high, 'cause I got high, 'cause I got high.
Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at October 26, 2012 07:14 PM (jucos)
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so the story now moves from , they didn't know it was a terrorist attack, to they knew, but did not send in help to save embassy personnel. actually, no, they knew and refused to save 30-40 people in the embassy including the ambassador
Posted by: runner at October 26, 2012 07:14 PM (WR5xI)
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....
Now if Petraeus is actually actively participating in the coverup, then he'll go down as a disgrace. I'm not ready to pile on to him yet.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 26, 2012 07:13 PM (eHIJJ)
Either way, I'll pony up for the tell-all book when it comes out.
I think that will be when, and not if.
Now if Petraeus is actually actively participating in the coverup, then he'll go down as a disgrace. I'm not ready to pile on to him yet.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 26, 2012 07:13 PM (eHIJJ)
Either way, I'll pony up for the tell-all book when it comes out.
I think that will be when, and not if.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 26, 2012 07:14 PM (Qxe/p)
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Now if Petraeus is actually actively participating in the coverup, then he'll go down as a disgrace. I'm not ready to pile on to him yet.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 26, 2012 07:13 PM (eHIJJ)
he already has!! he briefed congress that it was the video knowing full well that the real-time intel proved otherwise.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 26, 2012 07:13 PM (eHIJJ)
he already has!! he briefed congress that it was the video knowing full well that the real-time intel proved otherwise.
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 07:15 PM (JWLqy)
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I'll fall on the sword anytime for Barack.
Only I don't really fall on it and it's not really a sword.
Only I don't really fall on it and it's not really a sword.
Posted by: Reggie at October 26, 2012 07:15 PM (Qxdfp)
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So--who replaces Petraeus?
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:15 PM (r2PLg)
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Its time for Romney to come clean on his taxes.
Posted by: RomneyLosesBig at October 26, 2012 07:14 PM (xXhWA)
That all you got bitch?that all you got you cuntfaced shitlicking troll?Go fuck yourself.
Its time for Romney to come clean on his taxes.
Posted by: RomneyLosesBig at October 26, 2012 07:14 PM (xXhWA)
That all you got bitch?that all you got you cuntfaced shitlicking troll?Go fuck yourself.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (SAA1o)
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Every snide, smirking, juvenile swipe that they take at Romney will only make this situation worse.
It just shows that no adults are in charge, have been in charge and nobody is leading - and that's not presidential.
It just shows that no adults are in charge, have been in charge and nobody is leading - and that's not presidential.
Posted by: HtP at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (jx2j9)
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Now if Petraeus is actually actively participating in the coverup, then
he'll go down as a disgrace. I'm not ready to pile on to him yet.
So you are perfectly okay with his lying to Congress that this was due to the video?
he'll go down as a disgrace. I'm not ready to pile on to him yet.
So you are perfectly okay with his lying to Congress that this was due to the video?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (Gk3SS)
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he already has!! he briefed congress that it was the video knowing full well that the real-time intel proved otherwise.
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 07:15 PM (JWLqy)
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It was a closed door session.
Those "reports" of what he said came from -
Democrat Senators--not exactly neutral observers.
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 07:15 PM (JWLqy)
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It was a closed door session.
Those "reports" of what he said came from -
Democrat Senators--not exactly neutral observers.
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: runninrebel at October 26, 2012 07:17 PM (LDwc9)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 26, 2012 07:17 PM (Qxdfp)
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55 "Give it a rest"
No. If it isn't the sheik, it is some other "deal". Remember how flat their "October Surprise" ended up being - it was a third-string idea.
Leftists think like screenwriters and fabulists. They believe their own bullshit, and their bullshit tells them that soldiers and other people on the pointy end of the stick are tools for "statecraft". And for Leftists, that extends to the domestic arena.
Are you yet seeing any issues with my reasoning about these bastards? You know that what I'm describing is accurate as fuck. Leftists dismiss the military entirely - only treating them as props and toys and boys to pity instead of as men who risk all for little reward.
Leftists always think that they're smarter than anyone who disagrees - it is part of their worldview. They are by definition the smartest people in the room. Any objections are ignored. The "cunning plan" is always bulletproof, their reasoning is always perfect - so they never react well to things fucking up. They continue on, ignoring data that queers their plans. After all, reality has to be as they propose - otherwise they would have to admit they're fallible and stupid.
Can't have that.
The evidence is that this was a meaningless act - but this Administration always has reasons for their actions. Sometimes it is due to ignorance, but sometimes it is due to blindly going down a path after the forest has been set on fire so to speak.
if it wasn't the sheik, it was some other overly-cinematic bullshit.
The reason the stand-down was issued was due to the inability of our forces on the ground to find the Ambassador's body. The only reason that makes sense is that for the Administration, the sacrifice of soldiers while being watched in the White House was an acceptable outcome. That means something else was being considered and the only thing important to a Leftist is power - political power. Fighting men don't grant the power - tricks do.
You may disagree about the likelihood of the handover of the sheik, but that's just one possibility. What I am saying is that all the info strongly reinforces the amoral character of all the President and his lickspittles. He had something political planned that went thud. That's why Allred's bull was so lame.
No. If it isn't the sheik, it is some other "deal". Remember how flat their "October Surprise" ended up being - it was a third-string idea.
Leftists think like screenwriters and fabulists. They believe their own bullshit, and their bullshit tells them that soldiers and other people on the pointy end of the stick are tools for "statecraft". And for Leftists, that extends to the domestic arena.
Are you yet seeing any issues with my reasoning about these bastards? You know that what I'm describing is accurate as fuck. Leftists dismiss the military entirely - only treating them as props and toys and boys to pity instead of as men who risk all for little reward.
Leftists always think that they're smarter than anyone who disagrees - it is part of their worldview. They are by definition the smartest people in the room. Any objections are ignored. The "cunning plan" is always bulletproof, their reasoning is always perfect - so they never react well to things fucking up. They continue on, ignoring data that queers their plans. After all, reality has to be as they propose - otherwise they would have to admit they're fallible and stupid.
Can't have that.
The evidence is that this was a meaningless act - but this Administration always has reasons for their actions. Sometimes it is due to ignorance, but sometimes it is due to blindly going down a path after the forest has been set on fire so to speak.
if it wasn't the sheik, it was some other overly-cinematic bullshit.
The reason the stand-down was issued was due to the inability of our forces on the ground to find the Ambassador's body. The only reason that makes sense is that for the Administration, the sacrifice of soldiers while being watched in the White House was an acceptable outcome. That means something else was being considered and the only thing important to a Leftist is power - political power. Fighting men don't grant the power - tricks do.
You may disagree about the likelihood of the handover of the sheik, but that's just one possibility. What I am saying is that all the info strongly reinforces the amoral character of all the President and his lickspittles. He had something political planned that went thud. That's why Allred's bull was so lame.
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 26, 2012 07:17 PM (jZn+7)
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>>I think it's worse than Obama. It's Valerie Jarrett.
Now why is someone like Valerie Jarrett making these types of decisions?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (BuSM
Because Valerie Jarrett makes ALL of these types of decisions.
>>I think it's worse than Obama. It's Valerie Jarrett.
Now why is someone like Valerie Jarrett making these types of decisions?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 26, 2012 07:03 PM (BuSM
Because Valerie Jarrett makes ALL of these types of decisions.
Posted by: antisocialist at October 26, 2012 07:17 PM (j/nZn)
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So you are perfectly okay with his lying to Congress that this was due to the video?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (Gk3SS)
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My understanding is--it was a closed door session.
The reports of what Petraeus supposedly said--the sources for that --were Democrat senators.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (Gk3SS)
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My understanding is--it was a closed door session.
The reports of what Petraeus supposedly said--the sources for that --were Democrat senators.
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:18 PM (r2PLg)
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Did Patreaus give testimony during the House hearings?
Posted by: mare at October 26, 2012 07:18 PM (A98Xu)
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Prwned by a local news guy.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 26, 2012 07:10 PM
9News Denver has a satellite link and is watched across the U.S. and Central/South America. So their local is pretty big.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 26, 2012 07:10 PM
9News Denver has a satellite link and is watched across the U.S. and Central/South America. So their local is pretty big.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at October 26, 2012 07:18 PM (0It32)
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All the cover stories about Bambi being asleep sound awfully like the scenes in The Longest Day where the Germans had their hands tied because Der Furher had just taken a sleeping pill and did not want to be disturbed.
Maybe the brain trust in DC was waiting for Patton's force to land at Calais.
Maybe the brain trust in DC was waiting for Patton's force to land at Calais.
Posted by: Mitt Romney, CONTROL Agent at October 26, 2012 07:19 PM (Os+6p)
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Romney has been getting intell briefings
Any intel briefing he gets from this administration is worthless, superficial, or outright lies to set him up. But he already knows that and will have developed his own more reliable sources.
Any intel briefing he gets from this administration is worthless, superficial, or outright lies to set him up. But he already knows that and will have developed his own more reliable sources.
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 26, 2012 07:19 PM (eRV2W)
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kawfytawk: "he already has!! he briefed congress that it was the video knowing full well that the real-time intel proved otherwise."
I missed that testimony. Yeah, that's a problem.
alexthechick: "So you are perfectly okay with his lying to Congress that this was due to the video?"
No, I'm not. See above.
I missed that testimony. Yeah, that's a problem.
alexthechick: "So you are perfectly okay with his lying to Congress that this was due to the video?"
No, I'm not. See above.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 26, 2012 07:19 PM (eHIJJ)
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Off, off, damned sock.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (Os+6p)
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Its time for Romney to come clean on his taxes.
It's time for you to get out of Moms basement, get a job, and pay some taxes. There's nothing like the joy of working hard, and getting a paycheck as a reward for your effort. Then discovering that FICA, FWD, state, local taxes took about 25% of it away from you to give to those who sat on their butts all day.
It's time for you to get out of Moms basement, get a job, and pay some taxes. There's nothing like the joy of working hard, and getting a paycheck as a reward for your effort. Then discovering that FICA, FWD, state, local taxes took about 25% of it away from you to give to those who sat on their butts all day.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (feFL6)
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Has Mitt stopped forcibly cutting gay men's hair while his dog is whimpering on top of a speeding car? And, oh yeah, Mormon.
Posted by: RomneyLosesHisCarKeys at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (+QKfp)
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Holy shit. I'm halfway through and damn if that interview isn't nasty, the guy interviewing Obama deserves and award for journalistic integrity and doing his job.
Posted by: Elilla at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (ZmOCa)
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Mr. President, you just spoke for five minutes and did not answer the question.
Posted by: A Real Journalist at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (wUFaM)
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After the first 24 hours, no the first 12 hours anyone who claimed this was in response to a spontaneous demonstration is part of the cover-up...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (9+ccr)
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So, bottom line.
How does Romney play this? I think he is too chicken shit to bring it up.
Why? He is, at his heart, a fucking pussy. BUT he is our pussy.
Who would think that a Republican candidate would not stand up for dead heroes?
SAD.
How does Romney play this? I think he is too chicken shit to bring it up.
Why? He is, at his heart, a fucking pussy. BUT he is our pussy.
Who would think that a Republican candidate would not stand up for dead heroes?
SAD.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (SAA1o)
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The answer could be "No one gave the answer to stand down".
I know that is very unlikely at this point, but we have too little details to indict anyone. We need someone at the top to say "POTUS told us to stand down". Doesn't look like that is going to happen between now and Nov 6th, unfortunately.
Petraeus needs to evaluate his loyalties.
I know that is very unlikely at this point, but we have too little details to indict anyone. We need someone at the top to say "POTUS told us to stand down". Doesn't look like that is going to happen between now and Nov 6th, unfortunately.
Petraeus needs to evaluate his loyalties.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (UTq/I)
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A thorough investigation has revealed a member of the White House Janitorial Staff exceeded her authority by answering an unattended telephone whilst vacuuming the Situation Room. The President believes her next performance appraisal should reflect this incident and considers the matter closed.
Posted by: White House Press Office at October 26, 2012 07:21 PM (QtftW)
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I think the Benghazi business has her questioning her loyalties to the
Democrat party. Notice that she no longer has herself introduced as a
"Democrat strategist" but as a "political analyst."
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No, I hadn't noticed that. Good on her. She really started bucking up as the FF scandal heated up.
I said about 6-8 months ago that I half expected her to throw up her arms and declare "FUCK IT!".
I think she has now done that.
Democrat party. Notice that she no longer has herself introduced as a
"Democrat strategist" but as a "political analyst."
***
No, I hadn't noticed that. Good on her. She really started bucking up as the FF scandal heated up.
I said about 6-8 months ago that I half expected her to throw up her arms and declare "FUCK IT!".
I think she has now done that.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:21 PM (piMMO)
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Be sweet if we had a media and stuff.
Posted by: longerthoughts at October 26, 2012 07:21 PM (CVVLU)
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I can't express how much I loathe this man.
Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2012 07:22 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: LASue at October 26, 2012 07:22 PM (gjIQF)
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To be clear these were not E-mail. They were FLASH traffic. There are comm centers with watch officers working 24/7 that see these things real time and are tasked to escalate them through the chain of command if need be. There was no "sitting on the server not read" going on here. These messages were passed on and replied to, the response was stand by and stand down.
E-mail implies it sat someplace on a server.
E-mail implies it sat someplace on a server.
Posted by: TheGarbone at October 26, 2012 07:22 PM (cEDzL)
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Is Petraeus cagey?
Or is Petraeus just an Obama admin flack giving the American people the run around?
Is Petraeus cagey?
Or is Petraeus just an Obama admin flack giving the American people the run around?
Posted by: soothie at October 26, 2012 07:22 PM (vanqS)
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Reporter jailed in 5,4,3,2,1
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at October 26, 2012 07:23 PM (H2Jdp)
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Substitute
George W. Bush for Barack Obama
Dick Cheney for Joe Biden
Condi Rice for Hillary Clinton
John Bolton for Susan Rice
and
Sec. Hayden for Sec Petraeus
Now.... Would the press be interested in this?
George W. Bush for Barack Obama
Dick Cheney for Joe Biden
Condi Rice for Hillary Clinton
John Bolton for Susan Rice
and
Sec. Hayden for Sec Petraeus
Now.... Would the press be interested in this?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 26, 2012 07:23 PM (jucos)
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This administration likes to see American Soldiers killed on live drone-cam. Obama had a nice meal and a lot of sex after the slaughter.
Posted by: Jack at October 26, 2012 07:23 PM (wUFaM)
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To be clear these were not E-mail. They were FLASH traffic.
Thank you for clarifying that, I keep reading email and my response is why the hell were these being sent by email and not FLASH or other type of high priority communications.
Thank you for clarifying that, I keep reading email and my response is why the hell were these being sent by email and not FLASH or other type of high priority communications.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming soon. at October 26, 2012 07:23 PM (Gk3SS)
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In three months we'll find it was worse than any of us imagined. And it may not matter at all by then.
Posted by: loijal at October 26, 2012 07:23 PM (u3N3z)
Posted by: LASue at October 26, 2012 07:24 PM (gjIQF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:24 PM (piMMO)
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I hate how I've felt about patraeus the past two weeks.... I hope I was wrong about him and that he's still one of the good guys
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at October 26, 2012 07:24 PM (H2Jdp)
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I am beginning to think the reason they did nothing is BECAUSE it was Al Qaeda.
TFG's whole campaign comes down to "I Got Bin Laden!!!"
And now it turns out, that unlike the movies, the Threat Does NOT End When You Kill The Head Bad Guy!
If he needs to invade Libya to perform a rescue at Benghazi, his whole narrative gets flushed. And his narrative is more important than a few American lives.
I am beginning to think the reason they did nothing is BECAUSE it was Al Qaeda.
TFG's whole campaign comes down to "I Got Bin Laden!!!"
And now it turns out, that unlike the movies, the Threat Does NOT End When You Kill The Head Bad Guy!
If he needs to invade Libya to perform a rescue at Benghazi, his whole narrative gets flushed. And his narrative is more important than a few American lives.
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (zLp5I)
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21 Regardless of how one feels about Petreaus being part of TFG's kinda-inner circle, I just have a very hard time imagining any soldier leaving men on the field to die.
I just can't believe it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (piMMO)
Where he sits now, he is a politician. He has been a politician since he was an O-6.
Just sayin'
I just can't believe it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:39 PM (piMMO)
Where he sits now, he is a politician. He has been a politician since he was an O-6.
Just sayin'
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (OJI9t)
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I hate how I've felt about patraeus the past two weeks.... I hope I was wrong about him and that he's still one of the good guys
****
I'm still hoping that he's staying in because he can't get to the bottom of it from the outside.
****
I'm still hoping that he's staying in because he can't get to the bottom of it from the outside.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (SAA1o)
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Er, um...let me be clear. It was all Bill Clinton's fault. And, ah, um...that YouTube video, too.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a tee time and a bathhouse appointment...
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a tee time and a bathhouse appointment...
Posted by: That ******* Guy at October 26, 2012 07:26 PM (k4bdL)
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When we win, there are going to be a lot of people moving out of town.
Buy stock in moving companies. I have no doubt Mitt will fucking fire every fucking dickhead involved in this.
So, how would you like to be these guys in DC? Think they want Barry to win so they can keep their job.
Think they will lie to keep that job.
BINGO.
Buy stock in moving companies. I have no doubt Mitt will fucking fire every fucking dickhead involved in this.
So, how would you like to be these guys in DC? Think they want Barry to win so they can keep their job.
Think they will lie to keep that job.
BINGO.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:26 PM (wR+pz)
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Unbelievably, I just checked my Facebook newsfeed and found it cluttered with instant memes about heartless Mitt and a quote from Madeline Albright about how she can't understand how any woman could vote for Mitt. I responded "I can't understand how our President could leave the Ambassador to Libya to be killed and raped." Immediate unfriend. I'm doing a lot of that these days. You want to be a dumbass, fine. Don't expect me to watch, though.
Posted by: Ruby at October 26, 2012 07:27 PM (vt4Ip)
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And now it turns out, that unlike the movies, the Threat Does NOT End When You Kill The Head Bad Guy!
******
Hell, Taken 2 is built on just that premise.
******
Hell, Taken 2 is built on just that premise.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:27 PM (piMMO)
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Romney has to pander to independents/centrists to win. He doesn't really have much choice.
*****
There is nothing NOTHING I want Romney more focused on right now than winning.
*****
There is nothing NOTHING I want Romney more focused on right now than winning.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:27 PM (piMMO)
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Inspector Asshole: What I am saying is that all the info strongly reinforces the amoral character of all the President and his lickspittles.
All fine. But the speculations are a problem when trying to discuss this with your typical non-news junkie.
It's one thing to line up all of the know facts (which are damning as hell). "Who said -that-!?!" and "Oh!" and whatever. Because people can reach the correct conclusions (WTFBBQ!!!!) entirely on their own from there.
But when you start -stating- a -plausible- scenario on the end of that, it gets attacked from the weakest link. That is: the link that was derived or guessed at, not confirmed. And that destroys the credibility of the entire reasoning chain. The actual true and damning facts get chucked out with the "But that's just one possibility" aspect.
Yes: The facts lead to the point where there basically had to be some political poo he didn't want washing up onto his shoes - and this trumped the lives of the Americans involved. Not just the four that -did- die, but the lives of the 30+ that ended up being rescued against orders.
But wandering around in "What if?" land doesn't make the story more convincing. It makes it -less- convincing to the people who need convincing.
All fine. But the speculations are a problem when trying to discuss this with your typical non-news junkie.
It's one thing to line up all of the know facts (which are damning as hell). "Who said -that-!?!" and "Oh!" and whatever. Because people can reach the correct conclusions (WTFBBQ!!!!) entirely on their own from there.
But when you start -stating- a -plausible- scenario on the end of that, it gets attacked from the weakest link. That is: the link that was derived or guessed at, not confirmed. And that destroys the credibility of the entire reasoning chain. The actual true and damning facts get chucked out with the "But that's just one possibility" aspect.
Yes: The facts lead to the point where there basically had to be some political poo he didn't want washing up onto his shoes - and this trumped the lives of the Americans involved. Not just the four that -did- die, but the lives of the 30+ that ended up being rescued against orders.
But wandering around in "What if?" land doesn't make the story more convincing. It makes it -less- convincing to the people who need convincing.
Posted by: Al at October 26, 2012 07:28 PM (MzQOZ)
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I am genuinely concerned. If these are the last days of the tyrant, fine.
If the JEF, however, is given another four years by the Ohioans,...
I will not be planning insurrection. Civil disobedience certainly. Either way, I won't be conspiring over the Intertubes.
I was concerned that Romney peaked too soon. No chance of that now.
If the JEF, however, is given another four years by the Ohioans,...
I will not be planning insurrection. Civil disobedience certainly. Either way, I won't be conspiring over the Intertubes.
I was concerned that Romney peaked too soon. No chance of that now.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at October 26, 2012 07:28 PM (he2LC)
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It was a closed door session.
Those "reports" of what he said came from -
Democrat Senators--not exactly neutral observers.
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (r2PLg)
That may be true...but I'm sure Rep. King would not have let that lie go untouched....and he was interviewed repeatedly and never contradicted those statements other than to say he felt it had to be more than a video because of the weaponry used (paraphrasing).
Those "reports" of what he said came from -
Democrat Senators--not exactly neutral observers.
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:16 PM (r2PLg)
That may be true...but I'm sure Rep. King would not have let that lie go untouched....and he was interviewed repeatedly and never contradicted those statements other than to say he felt it had to be more than a video because of the weaponry used (paraphrasing).
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 07:29 PM (JWLqy)
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Maybe TFG had Jay-Z and Beyonce manning the situation room that night?
Posted by: Stu-22 at October 26, 2012 07:29 PM (k4bdL)
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Every JEF rally needs a plane flying overhead with a banner "Stand down?"
Posted by: JT in KC at October 26, 2012 07:29 PM (7cxOe)
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So--who replaces Petraeus?
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:15 PM (r2PLg)"
Who the fuck cares? If nobody acts on the intelligence gathered by his outfit what the fuck good is it? You could appoint a gerbil to run the CIA if their work is a day late then ignored.
So--who replaces Petraeus?
Posted by: tasker at October 26, 2012 07:15 PM (r2PLg)"
Who the fuck cares? If nobody acts on the intelligence gathered by his outfit what the fuck good is it? You could appoint a gerbil to run the CIA if their work is a day late then ignored.
Posted by: lowandslow at October 26, 2012 07:29 PM (GZitp)
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Orders were given... part of the theory behind Fast Furious version 2 was to redistribute Libya's dictator Moamar Gadhafi weapons stash via Turkey to Syria to support the brotherhood so precious to you know who and His aspirations.
Posted by: SomewhereSouthWest at October 26, 2012 07:29 PM (CyPWX)
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What Dems would be most likely to bale on TFG now?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:30 PM (piMMO)
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Where he sits now, he is a politician. He has been a politician since he was an O-6.
Just sayin'
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (OJI9t)
Reminds me of "Hattie" on the last NCIS Los Angeles: "EVERYTHING is political. You either play, or you get played. And you can't not play"
Just sayin'
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (OJI9t)
Reminds me of "Hattie" on the last NCIS Los Angeles: "EVERYTHING is political. You either play, or you get played. And you can't not play"
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 26, 2012 07:30 PM (Qxe/p)
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Romney has to pander to independents/centrists to win. He doesn't really have much choice.
Yes he does. He has a choice and he is not taking it. If he calls out Obama it changes the entire election. He is a pussy.
Balls? People dead and he is ignoring this? Really? This is a guy we are going to count on?
Disgusting.
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Romney has to pander to independents/centrists to win. He doesn't really have much choice.
Yes he does. He has a choice and he is not taking it. If he calls out Obama it changes the entire election. He is a pussy.
Balls? People dead and he is ignoring this? Really? This is a guy we are going to count on?
Disgusting.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:30 PM (wR+pz)
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So, bottom line.
How does Romney play this? I think he is too chicken shit to bring it up.
Why? He is, at his heart, a fucking pussy. BUT he is our pussy.
Who would think that a Republican candidate would not stand up for dead heroes?
SAD.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (wR+pz)
Romney does not, Ryan does not. (YET)
Boehner or McConnell should be on every channel offering interviews 24/7. That is their job as the SENIOR ELECTED REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS.
But they would need Ball and Brain Transplants first.
So, bottom line.
How does Romney play this? I think he is too chicken shit to bring it up.
Why? He is, at his heart, a fucking pussy. BUT he is our pussy.
Who would think that a Republican candidate would not stand up for dead heroes?
SAD.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:20 PM (wR+pz)
Romney does not, Ryan does not. (YET)
Boehner or McConnell should be on every channel offering interviews 24/7. That is their job as the SENIOR ELECTED REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS.
But they would need Ball and Brain Transplants first.
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 07:30 PM (zLp5I)
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Romney has to pander to independents/centrists to win. He doesn't really have much choice.
Yes he does. He has a choice and he is not taking it. If he calls out Obama it changes the entire election. He is a pussy.
Balls? People dead and he is ignoring this? Really? This is a guy we are going to count on?
Disgusting.
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No. He is focused on the big picture and he can't change a damned thing if he doesn't win.
Yes he does. He has a choice and he is not taking it. If he calls out Obama it changes the entire election. He is a pussy.
Balls? People dead and he is ignoring this? Really? This is a guy we are going to count on?
Disgusting.
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No. He is focused on the big picture and he can't change a damned thing if he doesn't win.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:31 PM (piMMO)
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Every time I try to think of it, my brain just simply rejects the concept as making no sense. As being completely implausible. As unimaginable.
Vicious circle.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (piMMO)
The self-preservation of the General Officer ranks. Everything is political.
Vicious circle.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 06:45 PM (piMMO)
The self-preservation of the General Officer ranks. Everything is political.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 26, 2012 07:32 PM (OJI9t)
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Every JEF rally needs a plane flying overhead with a banner "Stand down?"Posted by: JT in KC at October 26, 2012 07:29 PM (7cxOe)
Can't. Security for the POTUS includes a no fly zone.
Every JEF rally needs a plane flying overhead with a banner "Stand down?"Posted by: JT in KC at October 26, 2012 07:29 PM (7cxOe)
Can't. Security for the POTUS includes a no fly zone.
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 07:32 PM (zLp5I)
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furthermore....if Petraeus has an ounce of patriotism he will not let this SCOAMF have a chance at another 4 years. For the love of all that's holy, if he is the leaker....leak it all!
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 07:33 PM (JWLqy)
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new WI thread up
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"I'm still hoping that he's staying in because he can't get to the bottom of it from the outside.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (piMMO)"
He knows what happened, he's just in cover your own ass mode now, he's no different then any other entrenched politico.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (piMMO)"
He knows what happened, he's just in cover your own ass mode now, he's no different then any other entrenched politico.
Posted by: lowandslow at October 26, 2012 07:34 PM (GZitp)
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Winning requires honesty. This is a game changer that he is leaving on the table.
It reeks. You have got to show who you are. This is a serious deal, to ignore it is to say you are a FUCKING PUSSY.
You want that kind of shit in the oval office? Not much better than Barry.
I will say again, disgusting.
Winning requires honesty. This is a game changer that he is leaving on the table.
It reeks. You have got to show who you are. This is a serious deal, to ignore it is to say you are a FUCKING PUSSY.
You want that kind of shit in the oval office? Not much better than Barry.
I will say again, disgusting.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:35 PM (wR+pz)
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He's not ignoring it.
The people who care, care and know.
Much of the electorate, however, does not care (and would interpret it as "mean").
(Keep in mind, too, that the Media is against him, and can't wait for him to make another "gaffe.")
He's not ignoring it.
The people who care, care and know.
Much of the electorate, however, does not care (and would interpret it as "mean").
(Keep in mind, too, that the Media is against him, and can't wait for him to make another "gaffe.")
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 26, 2012 07:36 PM (SAA1o)
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267 " And that destroys the credibility of the entire reasoning chain."
Good point. All I can say is that the fact that the Ambassador was missing during these few hours is significant. To me, it suggests a lot. Knowing Leftists, it damns them in my eyes.
The facts are damning. I expect the underlying story to be utterly reprehensible and I'm not willing to assume the White House isn't politically aware - which is the conclusion you'd be forced to take if there wasn't a backroom political whoretrade going on. There certainly was absolutely zero military reason to let our people get murdered. It had to be political or - the person in charge was incapable of rational thought. Either or.
Good point. All I can say is that the fact that the Ambassador was missing during these few hours is significant. To me, it suggests a lot. Knowing Leftists, it damns them in my eyes.
The facts are damning. I expect the underlying story to be utterly reprehensible and I'm not willing to assume the White House isn't politically aware - which is the conclusion you'd be forced to take if there wasn't a backroom political whoretrade going on. There certainly was absolutely zero military reason to let our people get murdered. It had to be political or - the person in charge was incapable of rational thought. Either or.
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 26, 2012 07:38 PM (jZn+7)
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This is going to be the exclamation mark on Romney's victory.
My fear is, Romney seeing that he's ahead in his internal polls decides to play it safe and not engage ( a la 3rd debate)
I'm beginning to think though that not even the MSM is going to be able to ignore this story.
My fear is, Romney seeing that he's ahead in his internal polls decides to play it safe and not engage ( a la 3rd debate)
I'm beginning to think though that not even the MSM is going to be able to ignore this story.
Posted by: McAdams at October 26, 2012 07:39 PM (2FqGG)
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Remember when Clinton was having sex with a teenage intern in the white house while diplomats waited? I'm thinking this is a tad worse.
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There's no dishonesty in keeping your mouth shut (don't make me go all Jesuit on your ass).
And there's certainly no dishonor in it if it serves some greater purpose.
There's no dishonesty in keeping your mouth shut (don't make me go all Jesuit on your ass).
And there's certainly no dishonor in it if it serves some greater purpose.
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My fear is, Romney seeing that he's ahead in his internal polls decides to play it safe and not engage ( a la 3rd debate)
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Romney did engage. What many people don't like is that he didn't win on their terms, he won on his.
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Romney did engage. What many people don't like is that he didn't win on their terms, he won on his.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 26, 2012 07:41 PM (piMMO)
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I just won't start. The stupid is strong. Off to new thread.
" There's no dishonesty in keeping your mouth shut (don't make me go all Jesuit on your ass).
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I just won't start. The stupid is strong. Off to new thread.
" There's no dishonesty in keeping your mouth shut (don't make me go all Jesuit on your ass).
"
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:43 PM (wR+pz)
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I wondered why Petreus took that job with this administration . These are the same people that tried to smear him after he testified to Congress. Perhaps someone with more insight can explain this to me. Regardless of whether he denied those guys aid or not his name will forever be associated with this shameful affair.
Posted by: Tuna at October 26, 2012 07:43 PM (M/TDA)
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@240 - the game is still being played.
We are, I think, in a prisoners-dilemma phase. A Romney administration could make life very uncomfortable for certain people - I'm thinking of Hillary. IF he wanted to.
So...do you quietly give Cankles, or Petraeus, or whomever, a hint that they've got until Nov 2 to roll over?
Because...remember: as much as we may think this is uber-Watergate, there will be no Woodward and Bernstein if Obama's reelected. This is not 1972, and this administration would rather be emulatingPutin than Nixon. If Obama gets reelected there will be more Nakoulas.
Hey, Vexatious reporter, remember that drunk driving plea? That nasty divorce? We've got the records...that's what wr DO.
We are, I think, in a prisoners-dilemma phase. A Romney administration could make life very uncomfortable for certain people - I'm thinking of Hillary. IF he wanted to.
So...do you quietly give Cankles, or Petraeus, or whomever, a hint that they've got until Nov 2 to roll over?
Because...remember: as much as we may think this is uber-Watergate, there will be no Woodward and Bernstein if Obama's reelected. This is not 1972, and this administration would rather be emulatingPutin than Nixon. If Obama gets reelected there will be more Nakoulas.
Hey, Vexatious reporter, remember that drunk driving plea? That nasty divorce? We've got the records...that's what wr DO.
Posted by: JEM at October 26, 2012 07:43 PM (6vk+s)
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Yes he [Romney] does. He has a choice and he is not taking it. If he calls out Obama it changes the entire election. He is a pussy.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:30 PM (wR+pz)
Yep. He should be all over the Indonesian Traitor for this and for all the lies. But ... Mitt said the correct thing the night this all started (when he was only referencing that pathetic apology by the Cairo embassy to the primitives) and the MFM jumped all over him, malevolently and wrongly, and Mitt was really scared by it. Now, he's scared shitless to say anything. It sucks. It's pathetic. But ... at this point it is what it is. No one with a brain has any choice but to vote for Romney, so that's that. What can you do?
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 26, 2012 07:30 PM (wR+pz)
Yep. He should be all over the Indonesian Traitor for this and for all the lies. But ... Mitt said the correct thing the night this all started (when he was only referencing that pathetic apology by the Cairo embassy to the primitives) and the MFM jumped all over him, malevolently and wrongly, and Mitt was really scared by it. Now, he's scared shitless to say anything. It sucks. It's pathetic. But ... at this point it is what it is. No one with a brain has any choice but to vote for Romney, so that's that. What can you do?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 07:43 PM (X3lox)
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Don't know if it was camera shake or if O had the jitters. Also, he sure was blinking a lot.
Posted by: OceanusRex at October 26, 2012 07:46 PM (yAI5q)
Posted by: @PurpAv at October 26, 2012 07:48 PM (eRV2W)
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I really hope there is an explanation for all this that doesn't involve callously allowing our people to be savagely murdered. Because right now it's really hard not to hold this thought:
At least President Carter tried to rescue his people...
At least President Carter tried to rescue his people...
Posted by: EricTheRed21 at October 26, 2012 07:50 PM (RphCm)
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When the most powerful person in the whole world doesn't get answers the moment he asks, then there is something fishy going on.
It doesn't add up. TFG is hiding behind the subterfuge and fog of chooming.
It doesn't add up. TFG is hiding behind the subterfuge and fog of chooming.
Posted by: sTevo at October 26, 2012 07:50 PM (VMcEw)
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I don't think he's scared. I think he's gained a better understanding of what the Media and cultural landscapes truly are like.
I don't think he's scared. I think he's gained a better understanding of what the Media and cultural landscapes truly are like.
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I expect the underlying story to be utterly reprehensible and I'm not willing to assume the White House isn't politically aware
I'm with you. And I'm on fire over this.
I'm with you. And I'm on fire over this.
Posted by: Al at October 26, 2012 07:51 PM (MzQOZ)
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290 Remember when Clinton was having sex with a teenage intern in the white house while diplomats waited? I'm thinking this is a tad worse.
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Yes, and now I see a diplomat is dead while Obama airs a campaign ad with a double entendre telling teenage girls to make him their first.
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Yes, and now I see a diplomat is dead while Obama airs a campaign ad with a double entendre telling teenage girls to make him their first.
Posted by: OceanusRex at October 26, 2012 07:51 PM (yAI5q)
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At least President Carter tried to rescue his people...
Hell, he commissioned a separate high-tech approach involving a rocket-takeoff and rocket-landing C-130 which they pushed through development to see if they could takeoff and land from inside a nearby soccer stadium.
There's youtube of it now - it worked a couple times then had a bad crash-landing and eliminated itself from the choices. But The Other Freaking Guy (TOFG) at least cared.
Hell, he commissioned a separate high-tech approach involving a rocket-takeoff and rocket-landing C-130 which they pushed through development to see if they could takeoff and land from inside a nearby soccer stadium.
There's youtube of it now - it worked a couple times then had a bad crash-landing and eliminated itself from the choices. But The Other Freaking Guy (TOFG) at least cared.
Posted by: Al at October 26, 2012 07:55 PM (MzQOZ)
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If I hear that traitor say "I sssaayyy whhattt I meeaann" one more time...
Posted by: baldilocks, AfriCon American at October 26, 2012 08:00 PM (Su0W2)
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Let me speak clearly.
Posted by: Al at October 26, 2012 08:02 PM (MzQOZ)
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And those of you condemning Petraeus? Clueless, the lot of you. He's a good man and a patriot, and there's a bigger picture here than we can see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, thanks.
I agree. I'm not criticizing him--yet--since there could be more to this than meets the eye.
However, a few years ago a lot of conservatives were suggesting that he should run for President. I could never understand that, since I know nothing whatsoever about his political philosophy. As I said at the time, he could be an FDR Democrat for all I know.
And those of you condemning Petraeus? Clueless, the lot of you. He's a good man and a patriot, and there's a bigger picture here than we can see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, thanks.
I agree. I'm not criticizing him--yet--since there could be more to this than meets the eye.
However, a few years ago a lot of conservatives were suggesting that he should run for President. I could never understand that, since I know nothing whatsoever about his political philosophy. As I said at the time, he could be an FDR Democrat for all I know.
Posted by: rickl at October 26, 2012 08:03 PM (sdi6R)
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f I hear that traitor say "I sssaayyy whhattt I meeaann" one more time...
Posted by: baldilocks, AfriCon American at October 26, 2012 08:00 PM (Su0W2)
He does....problem is ....the 47% like it plus they get Obama-stash
But yeah, I hear ya
Posted by: baldilocks, AfriCon American at October 26, 2012 08:00 PM (Su0W2)
He does....problem is ....the 47% like it plus they get Obama-stash
But yeah, I hear ya
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 26, 2012 08:03 PM (JWLqy)
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At least President Carter tried to rescue his people...
Man. that says it all. The worst fuckup since that malevolent schoolmarm Wilson still had the humanity to try a rescue. This piece of left-over soviet-flavored turd stew couldn't even do that.
Man. that says it all. The worst fuckup since that malevolent schoolmarm Wilson still had the humanity to try a rescue. This piece of left-over soviet-flavored turd stew couldn't even do that.
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 26, 2012 08:04 PM (jZn+7)
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Some hippie upstairs advised that using guards would aggravate the thugs. Little do they understand Arab cultural views on force and majesty.
Posted by: mick at October 26, 2012 08:04 PM (01IIz)
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The MFM has to be patting themselves on the back for stalling this story for three critical weeks.
Posted by: toby928© at October 26, 2012 08:12 PM (QupBk)
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I will say this much : at least Palin decided to put on the brass knuckles and pop Chicago Jesus squarely in the jaw.
Posted by: section9 at October 26, 2012 08:13 PM (CUoon)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2944654/posts
This Albino Theory Slut thinks the plot laid out is plausible.
This Albino Theory Slut thinks the plot laid out is plausible.
Posted by: sTevo at October 26, 2012 08:13 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 26, 2012 08:13 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 26, 2012 08:16 PM (U+DUu)
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The plane I was talking about was YMC-130 H Credible Sport.
youtube.com/watch?v=
fSFjhWw4DNo
And discovery's longer segment
youtube.com/watch?v=
9o8xvAupMF4
There's a spot in the second clip where they show the -takeoff-, and it's pretty freaking amazing. (I've seen the Fat Albert takeoffs with regular JATO, but this is a C-130 acting like a Harrier. Almost.)
youtube.com/watch?v=
fSFjhWw4DNo
And discovery's longer segment
youtube.com/watch?v=
9o8xvAupMF4
There's a spot in the second clip where they show the -takeoff-, and it's pretty freaking amazing. (I've seen the Fat Albert takeoffs with regular JATO, but this is a C-130 acting like a Harrier. Almost.)
Posted by: Al at October 26, 2012 08:16 PM (MzQOZ)
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314At least President Carter tried to rescue his people...
Man. that says it all. The worst fuckup since that malevolent schoolmarm Wilson still had the humanity to try a rescue. This piece of left-over soviet-flavored turd stew couldn't even do that. Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 26, 2012 08:04 PM (jZn+7)Well said. Very well said.
Man. that says it all. The worst fuckup since that malevolent schoolmarm Wilson still had the humanity to try a rescue. This piece of left-over soviet-flavored turd stew couldn't even do that. Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 26, 2012 08:04 PM (jZn+7)Well said. Very well said.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 26, 2012 08:18 PM (U+DUu)
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Geraldo is on lying for Obama.
Ailes needs to fire him.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 26, 2012 08:13 PM (GoIUi)
Ailes should ship Geraldo off to Benghazi, broadcast his whereabouts to the world (as Geraldo did in the Gulf War to our soldiers) and let someone with an RPG fire him.
Ailes needs to fire him.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 26, 2012 08:13 PM (GoIUi)
Ailes should ship Geraldo off to Benghazi, broadcast his whereabouts to the world (as Geraldo did in the Gulf War to our soldiers) and let someone with an RPG fire him.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 08:19 PM (X3lox)
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Twice Mr. Obama was asked directly whether a request for help was denied, and twice he replied, in effect, that a month and a half later he is still trying to get to the bottom of the mystery. I have a feeling "Well, we are finding out exactly what happened" is going to join "I am not a crook" in the Presidential Sound Bite Hall of Shame.
Posted by: The Chap with the App at October 26, 2012 08:21 PM (fscec)
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We are proud of President Obama, so proud and welcome to the club. We have reserved a seat for you down here................
Posted by: Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, Chair Man Mao, Stalin and the Cast of Others at October 26, 2012 08:24 PM (lJ3rV)
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Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the
report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser
designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not "paint" a target
until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the
AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the
WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander
based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively "painting" a target; something was on
station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
POTUS!"-----------Blackfive nuff said
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the
report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser
designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not "paint" a target
until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the
AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the
WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander
based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively "painting" a target; something was on
station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
POTUS!"-----------Blackfive nuff said
Posted by: akak at October 26, 2012 08:27 PM (eFroM)
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From the pathetic "interview" (pathetic on the Indonesian's part - the interviewer did a great job):
"make sure that this will never happen again"
Anyone who ever mouths something so stupid and ridiculous as this is to fucking dumb and disingenuous to be in charge of anything more complex than a mop. Barky says it over and over and over for just about everything ... and no one ever points out to him what a fucking retard he is.
"fuel-efficient batteries"
What the fuck are they? Connected to "profit AND earnings ratios", no doubt.
"make sure that this will never happen again"
Anyone who ever mouths something so stupid and ridiculous as this is to fucking dumb and disingenuous to be in charge of anything more complex than a mop. Barky says it over and over and over for just about everything ... and no one ever points out to him what a fucking retard he is.
"fuel-efficient batteries"
What the fuck are they? Connected to "profit AND earnings ratios", no doubt.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2012 08:30 PM (X3lox)
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What worries me about that storm coming is that the JEF will use the ensuing damage, loss of electricity etc. to assert a presidential power to delay the election.
Martial law is, historically at least, a non-starter, since the Supremes declared long ago, in the Lincoln era, that invoking ML can only be done in individual states, and even then only when the civilian courts therein are incapable of functioning.
So Teh Won has no such right under the Constitution, but when has that ever stopped him?
Martial law is, historically at least, a non-starter, since the Supremes declared long ago, in the Lincoln era, that invoking ML can only be done in individual states, and even then only when the civilian courts therein are incapable of functioning.
So Teh Won has no such right under the Constitution, but when has that ever stopped him?
Posted by: publius at October 26, 2012 08:41 PM (2c1Cq)
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"I am beginning to think the reason they did nothing is BECAUSE it was Al Qaeda.
TFG's whole campaign comes down to "I Got Bin Laden!!!"
And now it turns out, that unlike the movies, the Threat Does NOT End When You Kill The Head Bad Guy!
If he needs to invade Libya to perform a rescue at Benghazi, his whole narrative gets flushed. And his narrative is more important than a few American lives."
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (zLp5I)
This!!! Exactly what hubbymayhem and I were saying.
Let those people die and call it a riot because if you tell the truth, then people will know that "Al Qaeda is finished" was another fairy tale.
"I am beginning to think the reason they did nothing is BECAUSE it was Al Qaeda.
TFG's whole campaign comes down to "I Got Bin Laden!!!"
And now it turns out, that unlike the movies, the Threat Does NOT End When You Kill The Head Bad Guy!
If he needs to invade Libya to perform a rescue at Benghazi, his whole narrative gets flushed. And his narrative is more important than a few American lives."
Posted by: rd does not trust the MSM at October 26, 2012 07:25 PM (zLp5I)
This!!! Exactly what hubbymayhem and I were saying.
Let those people die and call it a riot because if you tell the truth, then people will know that "Al Qaeda is finished" was another fairy tale.
Posted by: madamemayhem at October 26, 2012 08:45 PM (iRgZG)
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329 What worries me about that storm coming is that the JEF will use the ensuing damage, loss of electricity etc. to assert a presidential power to delay the election.
Posted by: publius at October 26, 2012 08:41 PM (2c1Cq)
Things are getting worse for him every day, and that wouldn't help a single bit.
The only rationale for that is the "anti-colonial avenger seeks to weaken the US" theory. It won't help re-elect him.
It will create a lot of screaming.
Posted by: publius at October 26, 2012 08:41 PM (2c1Cq)
Things are getting worse for him every day, and that wouldn't help a single bit.
The only rationale for that is the "anti-colonial avenger seeks to weaken the US" theory. It won't help re-elect him.
It will create a lot of screaming.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 26, 2012 08:46 PM (bxiXv)
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Frankly, of all the possible explanations, the Choom Theory seems most plausible to me. Obama was stoned out of his mind when the attack went down.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2012 08:47 PM (deAVu)
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Nothing to see here. This story is as empty as Al Capones vault. Bill this story is as empty as my, er your head, Bill.
Sure question the absence of security but everything else is off limits, is empty as my pants er Obamas pants, er well you git my drift, how you like the cut of my jib big guy. hey, did ya hear about the time the wife and i had a threesome with my Israeli body guard on our yacht, Bill, wish ya could a seen that big guy
Sure question the absence of security but everything else is off limits, is empty as my pants er Obamas pants, er well you git my drift, how you like the cut of my jib big guy. hey, did ya hear about the time the wife and i had a threesome with my Israeli body guard on our yacht, Bill, wish ya could a seen that big guy
Posted by: Whorealdo at October 26, 2012 08:53 PM (GBABC)
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For those who are wondering about Fox reporter, Jennifer Griffin, I would like to remind everyone that Jennifer Griffin was stationed in Israel for years, and was a very trusted reporter by the Israelis. Very. She also made friends with the other guys across the borders, and that came in real handy when she risked her life to go in, and save fellow Fox reporter Steve Centanni, and cameraman, Olaf Wiig. And by risk her life, I mean she risked her life to the point that the bad guys holding Steve, and Olaf told her to leave the area, as in the nation of Israel, and not to come back or they would see to her certain death.
Jennifer then found out she had stage 4 breast cancer, and she fought like hell to beat it back. At one time Jennifer had long hair, and this could be one reason why some do not connect her look now with the way she appeared all those years when reporting from Israel.
She has made some amazingly courageous trips to Afghanistan since beating back her cancer, and she is is highly trusted by those in the military, and the alphabet soups. Probably why they TOLD HER the truth of what went down. If Jennifer Griffin says it, I would bet my life on it being the truth, and I do not know the woman. But I know enough about her to know through her past actions, she would never lie about the deaths of Woods, or Dohtery. This woman has stared down Hamas and Hezbollah, rescued fellow reporters, gone to Afghanistan when going was not cool, and valiantly fought off the worst type of breast cancer. Ask yourself, does this woman come across as someone who is scared of anything, afraid of the truth, or would not have reliable sources?
+1 to FeralCat's analysis of our CIA head. Dittos to you. Mega dittos.
Another Fox reporter who rocks the house is Catherine Herridge. You can take what she says to the bank, and the good guys trust her as well. She has written a book about the dangers we face that no one wants to talk about.
Jennifer then found out she had stage 4 breast cancer, and she fought like hell to beat it back. At one time Jennifer had long hair, and this could be one reason why some do not connect her look now with the way she appeared all those years when reporting from Israel.
She has made some amazingly courageous trips to Afghanistan since beating back her cancer, and she is is highly trusted by those in the military, and the alphabet soups. Probably why they TOLD HER the truth of what went down. If Jennifer Griffin says it, I would bet my life on it being the truth, and I do not know the woman. But I know enough about her to know through her past actions, she would never lie about the deaths of Woods, or Dohtery. This woman has stared down Hamas and Hezbollah, rescued fellow reporters, gone to Afghanistan when going was not cool, and valiantly fought off the worst type of breast cancer. Ask yourself, does this woman come across as someone who is scared of anything, afraid of the truth, or would not have reliable sources?
+1 to FeralCat's analysis of our CIA head. Dittos to you. Mega dittos.
Another Fox reporter who rocks the house is Catherine Herridge. You can take what she says to the bank, and the good guys trust her as well. She has written a book about the dangers we face that no one wants to talk about.
Posted by: freeus at October 26, 2012 08:54 PM (caDgg)
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Interestingly, Obama refused to deny the allegations that requests for help were received and denied.
It would have been the easiest thing in the world for Obama to say, “Those allegations are not true. We’re still investigating the details, but I can say for certain that those allegations are not true.”
But he didn’t say that. Obama just said the investigation was ongoing. Translation: the accusations that requests for help were made and then denied are true.
It would have been the easiest thing in the world for Obama to say, “Those allegations are not true. We’re still investigating the details, but I can say for certain that those allegations are not true.”
But he didn’t say that. Obama just said the investigation was ongoing. Translation: the accusations that requests for help were made and then denied are true.
Posted by: OCBill at October 26, 2012 08:55 PM (YJvVE)
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That Romney guy didn't even mention Bengazi in his foreign policy debate Bill, therefore there is no reason for anyone else to cause that is Romneys numero uno dos and tres job to find out who caused this and ask my fine friend Obama
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Posted by: Whorealdo at October 26, 2012 09:02 PM (GBABC)
That dog don't hunt vault boy. Listen up here bad nose job ifn Mitt had brought this up Oblah Blah and you and the rest of his Presstitutes would have fallen all over themselves feigning faux outrage at the temerity of questioning your POSPOTUS and his very fine handling of this not to mention the horrible nature of politicizing this tragedy. Mitt would be down in the polls answering question you tools wont ask the POSPOTUS and he won;'t have had the chance to pivot to jobs and the economy and bury your boy in his own sh.t stain, got it Dumbass?
That dog don't hunt vault boy. Listen up here bad nose job ifn Mitt had brought this up Oblah Blah and you and the rest of his Presstitutes would have fallen all over themselves feigning faux outrage at the temerity of questioning your POSPOTUS and his very fine handling of this not to mention the horrible nature of politicizing this tragedy. Mitt would be down in the polls answering question you tools wont ask the POSPOTUS and he won;'t have had the chance to pivot to jobs and the economy and bury your boy in his own sh.t stain, got it Dumbass?
Posted by: ConcealedKerry Or SubMitt at October 26, 2012 09:07 PM (GBABC)
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HOLY F people BLINK RATE SKYROCKETS he's lying his ass off. He ordered it.
Posted by: simpleton at October 26, 2012 09:08 PM (za3QZ)
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Levin had an epic rant about this on his show today. He was PISSED and outright called the JEF a liar over and over.
Levin emphasized the JEFs own words: "As soon as I found out that this was happening - notice the present tense, I
"I gave three very clear directives: 1) Make sure we are doing everything we need to secure our people2) Investigate so it doesn't happen again. 3) Find out who did it."
A real CIC takes immediate action to get our military resources in there to protect, defend, and rescue our people. Kill as many bad guys that you have to in order to get our people out of there.
Maybe by "secure our people" he is talking about his lying, craven, cowardly administration. My bad.
Levin had an epic rant about this on his show today. He was PISSED and outright called the JEF a liar over and over.
Levin emphasized the JEFs own words: "As soon as I found out that this was happening - notice the present tense, I
"I gave three very clear directives: 1) Make sure we are doing everything we need to secure our people2) Investigate so it doesn't happen again. 3) Find out who did it."
A real CIC takes immediate action to get our military resources in there to protect, defend, and rescue our people. Kill as many bad guys that you have to in order to get our people out of there.
Maybe by "secure our people" he is talking about his lying, craven, cowardly administration. My bad.
Posted by: Cheri at October 26, 2012 09:09 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: mpfs at October 26, 2012 09:12 PM (BHz/r)
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Ugh. I want answers (and Obama better lose this election) or I'll flip.
Posted by: Baldy at October 26, 2012 09:13 PM (Ak69M)
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I am telling you Troyriser, Petraeus is a jerk. Your friend in the military may have been one of the very few that admired him. The rest of us knew that he was a snake. He is a self absorbed political hack. He was one of those guys who left bodies in his wake. No one wanted to work for him.
Posted by: whoseyourmomma at October 26, 2012 09:27 PM (SaAjb)
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FYI-Chaffetz from Utah on with Issa on Hannity just said General Hamm at AFRICOM told him "I was not asked to" when Jason Chaffetz asked him why he did not respond to protect the CIA guys.
Soooo, this means no go in blaming General Ham.
Soooo, this means no go in blaming General Ham.
Posted by: freeus at October 26, 2012 09:38 PM (caDgg)
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The President has a completely disinterested and exhausted look on his face throughout this interview. He is mailing it in at crunch time.
Posted by: MikeD at October 26, 2012 09:41 PM (p8QOg)
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Any one else see the parallels here to the Anthony Weiner affair? Video = Hacked? Changing stories? Trouble keeping lies straight? It's all because so-and-so is out to get me? Poor me? Look! a squirrel?
Seems to me Obama is either going to end up being bounced out of office by voters for his bungling of the economy ala Jimmy Carter, or he'll be run out of office for his lies, coverups and crooked deals, ala Richard Nixon. I hope it's the first, because, Biden.
Seems to me Obama is either going to end up being bounced out of office by voters for his bungling of the economy ala Jimmy Carter, or he'll be run out of office for his lies, coverups and crooked deals, ala Richard Nixon. I hope it's the first, because, Biden.
Posted by: Starboardhelm at October 26, 2012 09:47 PM (hHgxI)
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I have no doubt Romney and his team are paying very close attention to everything related to Benghazi. Just because he has not come out with a statement as things are still unfolding today does not mean he will not. I think he is being deliberate and strategic, not that he's ignoring it.
Part of the problem is that this story is complex, and with the MSM ignoring it as much as possible there is a wide variance in how much people know. If they don't know very much, coming out and accusing the president of intentionally leaving 4 people to die will seem like a disgusting political attack. Most people probably know a tenth of what readers of this site know, and they don't understand how despicable Obama is. So I'm sure it takes some deliberation for Romney to figure out how to address this issue with the public.
Can you imagine how much team O must be sweating over this? They don't know when and where the next shoe will drop or when or how Romney will respond.
One last thought. Not to cheerlead Romney too much, but the man has proven time and again he's adaptable to the circumstances, and that he wants to win very badly. So let's not write him off just yet.
Part of the problem is that this story is complex, and with the MSM ignoring it as much as possible there is a wide variance in how much people know. If they don't know very much, coming out and accusing the president of intentionally leaving 4 people to die will seem like a disgusting political attack. Most people probably know a tenth of what readers of this site know, and they don't understand how despicable Obama is. So I'm sure it takes some deliberation for Romney to figure out how to address this issue with the public.
Can you imagine how much team O must be sweating over this? They don't know when and where the next shoe will drop or when or how Romney will respond.
One last thought. Not to cheerlead Romney too much, but the man has proven time and again he's adaptable to the circumstances, and that he wants to win very badly. So let's not write him off just yet.
Posted by: Mayday at October 26, 2012 10:02 PM (F3s39)
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Pass the pudding!
Posted by: Peaches at October 26, 2012 10:05 PM (kpCLl)
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343 FYI-Chaffetz from Utah on with Issa on Hannity just said General Hamm at AFRICOM told him "I was not asked to" when Jason Chaffetz asked him why he did not respond to protect the CIA guys.
Posted by: freeus at October 26, 2012 09:38 PM (caDgg)
Just to be in a position to ask and answer that question is kind of sickening.
When you think about it that was a "non-bus throw" in a similar way to a non-apology. Kind of inverse, but you get the idea.
Posted by: freeus at October 26, 2012 09:38 PM (caDgg)
Just to be in a position to ask and answer that question is kind of sickening.
When you think about it that was a "non-bus throw" in a similar way to a non-apology. Kind of inverse, but you get the idea.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 26, 2012 10:07 PM (bxiXv)
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Listen to the metaphociral "hiccups" Obama does when attempting to not answer THE question. It is so obvious.
Posted by: Baldy at October 26, 2012 10:09 PM (Ak69M)
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General Hamm at AFRICOM told him "I was not asked to" when Jason
Chaffetz asked him why he did not respond to protect the CIA guys.
Who has to ask this tool? Fire his ass. You don't leave Patriots alone unprotected in enemy territory and ignore an attack on sovereign US soil against them. If he did not have orders he should have asked why or acted. this ass coverer needs to go and Petraeus should come forward or resign in disgrace
Chaffetz asked him why he did not respond to protect the CIA guys.
Who has to ask this tool? Fire his ass. You don't leave Patriots alone unprotected in enemy territory and ignore an attack on sovereign US soil against them. If he did not have orders he should have asked why or acted. this ass coverer needs to go and Petraeus should come forward or resign in disgrace
Posted by: ConcealedKerry Or SubMitt at October 26, 2012 10:11 PM (GBABC)
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Hamm's answer is about the dumbest possible answer you can imagine to the question asked, at least without a lot of context.
It's like the kid with chocolate smeared all over his face standing over the broken cookie jar saying "I don't know what happened."
It's like the kid with chocolate smeared all over his face standing over the broken cookie jar saying "I don't know what happened."
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 26, 2012 10:22 PM (bxiXv)
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"It seems the only two reporters out there willing to take on the administration are Griffin and Attkisson."
Also Jake Tapper (who hasn't been buying TFG's line of crap for quite a while, actually).
Also Jake Tapper (who hasn't been buying TFG's line of crap for quite a while, actually).
Posted by: HenryVlosesAgincourt at October 26, 2012 10:25 PM (jn5Ou)
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Also Jake Tapper (who hasn't been buying TFG's line of crap for quite a while, actually).
Posted by: HenryVlosesAgincourt at October 26, 2012 10:25 PM (jn5Ou)
No, he's bi. He's on O's team half the time.
One of those "objectivity means being a partisan on both sides" whackos.
Posted by: HenryVlosesAgincourt at October 26, 2012 10:25 PM (jn5Ou)
No, he's bi. He's on O's team half the time.
One of those "objectivity means being a partisan on both sides" whackos.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 26, 2012 10:35 PM (bxiXv)
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Well I finally got to listen to "Doug" on Rush, and I am glad I did after hearing Chaffetz give his talk about talking to Ham.
Here is the thing, "Doug's" talk with Rush is what our real probable is, and it does not sit well with what General Ham was telling Chaffetz. If you can listen to Rush, do it. It stops about the 1:41 mark, so go back a bit. It comes right after the commercial, and goes to 1:41.
In addition, I am now hearing that Ham, along with POTUS and Sec Def and Sec St were all discussing what to do, and according to what was last reported on Greta, Ham's stories are not matching. This stinks.
Question-was Ham the AFRICOM guy under investigation I read about going back say around 3 weeks ago? Just wondering because I know someone from AFRICOM had some heat coming their way recently.
As to Ham, and what I repeated Chaffetz was saying to Hannity, I in no way meant to suggest or imply leaving anyone behind was okay. I was not giving Ham a pass, I was simply sharing what I had heard on the tv in reference to an early on question about POTUS, and Ham being left as the only two guilty parties standing. To be clear, I think there are several parties guilty. FYI my Dad was a Marine, and I sure as hell never believe in leaving anyone behind.
But back to "Doug", and what we cannot forget in all this, we have commanders, not soldiers on the ground, not Special People, but the upper dudes in all areas of our military, and "special" military groups who must be removed ASAP after President Romney is sworn in. Whether it was Tillman, or now these 4, and I will remind everyone that the deaths during this is not limited to just 4 people in Libya, we had more killed just after this in Afghanistan, and it was all blamed on the movie, but we cannot ask of our military regulars, or our "special" people to obey shitheads who are political assholes which WILL leave behind someone, or who WILL ignore the data. No more Clappers, no more Donilons, no more Petraeus', no more Pannetta's, no more Hillary, no more going all the way back to those we knew were no good during Bush. No more! Our men and women deserve better higher ups.
I will say this, I hate businesses being crushed, and people losing their homes, their jobs, and their families, but what I hate worse is giving our military a total loser who in turn gives them total loser commanders. We are civilians, but they volunteered to protect us, and by God as we go to vote, we had better be thinking about Libya, Afghanistan, and the people in power who murdered them, and the families with Xerox copied letters from TFG, and all that has been their hell these past 4 years. I do not want Americans to suffer, and I am not trivializing the loss of American jobs, but something about all this Libya, and Afghanistan shit just seems to really surpass where we are economically. We may not can fight the wars, but by God we can surely help them by giving them better people in Washington. Surely to goodness we can do this one little thing? Surely.
For the life of me, I cannot understand one farking person voting for a TFG, or a Dem after this. It should now just be Republicans against the Libertarians, or Tea Party people. Knowing what we know, knowing what you could know if you gave a shit about your country, or your protectors, our military members, how in the name of all things holy could you in good conscience vote for TFG, and the people who have supported him? Maybe INS should have a new group of people who could be deported? The political stupid soon to be deported with all the Code Pink, etc., and CAIR peoples. What a wonderful thought!
Here is the thing, "Doug's" talk with Rush is what our real probable is, and it does not sit well with what General Ham was telling Chaffetz. If you can listen to Rush, do it. It stops about the 1:41 mark, so go back a bit. It comes right after the commercial, and goes to 1:41.
In addition, I am now hearing that Ham, along with POTUS and Sec Def and Sec St were all discussing what to do, and according to what was last reported on Greta, Ham's stories are not matching. This stinks.
Question-was Ham the AFRICOM guy under investigation I read about going back say around 3 weeks ago? Just wondering because I know someone from AFRICOM had some heat coming their way recently.
As to Ham, and what I repeated Chaffetz was saying to Hannity, I in no way meant to suggest or imply leaving anyone behind was okay. I was not giving Ham a pass, I was simply sharing what I had heard on the tv in reference to an early on question about POTUS, and Ham being left as the only two guilty parties standing. To be clear, I think there are several parties guilty. FYI my Dad was a Marine, and I sure as hell never believe in leaving anyone behind.
But back to "Doug", and what we cannot forget in all this, we have commanders, not soldiers on the ground, not Special People, but the upper dudes in all areas of our military, and "special" military groups who must be removed ASAP after President Romney is sworn in. Whether it was Tillman, or now these 4, and I will remind everyone that the deaths during this is not limited to just 4 people in Libya, we had more killed just after this in Afghanistan, and it was all blamed on the movie, but we cannot ask of our military regulars, or our "special" people to obey shitheads who are political assholes which WILL leave behind someone, or who WILL ignore the data. No more Clappers, no more Donilons, no more Petraeus', no more Pannetta's, no more Hillary, no more going all the way back to those we knew were no good during Bush. No more! Our men and women deserve better higher ups.
I will say this, I hate businesses being crushed, and people losing their homes, their jobs, and their families, but what I hate worse is giving our military a total loser who in turn gives them total loser commanders. We are civilians, but they volunteered to protect us, and by God as we go to vote, we had better be thinking about Libya, Afghanistan, and the people in power who murdered them, and the families with Xerox copied letters from TFG, and all that has been their hell these past 4 years. I do not want Americans to suffer, and I am not trivializing the loss of American jobs, but something about all this Libya, and Afghanistan shit just seems to really surpass where we are economically. We may not can fight the wars, but by God we can surely help them by giving them better people in Washington. Surely to goodness we can do this one little thing? Surely.
For the life of me, I cannot understand one farking person voting for a TFG, or a Dem after this. It should now just be Republicans against the Libertarians, or Tea Party people. Knowing what we know, knowing what you could know if you gave a shit about your country, or your protectors, our military members, how in the name of all things holy could you in good conscience vote for TFG, and the people who have supported him? Maybe INS should have a new group of people who could be deported? The political stupid soon to be deported with all the Code Pink, etc., and CAIR peoples. What a wonderful thought!
Posted by: freeus at October 26, 2012 11:29 PM (caDgg)
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troyriser,
I never said anything about the blind sheik issue. I said that this was a setup on the inside for a kidnapping. The motive was to create a situation n which O was going to look good. I don't know what that was.
You assumed that I was promoting a conspiricy theory that I was not even aware of when I posted earlier. I simply came up with a possible scenario that fit the "facts" as I now them. The was no tinfoil involved. I didn't even know this was a theory that was being put out there by other people.
Your opinion of Petraeus is based on what a "buddy" of yours said. That is the leg you are standing on. You need more legs before you start admonishing others to stop posting how they see things.
Do you have an explanation for the facts as we know them now? I would love to hear your theory. Maybe you could summarize all of your posts into something that could be evaluated based on the facts as we know them at this time.
I believe knowing what I know that the drone issue can be mined for a lot more information and I don't mean the actual video, if there is one.
I don't speak for anyone but myself on this board.
I never said anything about the blind sheik issue. I said that this was a setup on the inside for a kidnapping. The motive was to create a situation n which O was going to look good. I don't know what that was.
You assumed that I was promoting a conspiricy theory that I was not even aware of when I posted earlier. I simply came up with a possible scenario that fit the "facts" as I now them. The was no tinfoil involved. I didn't even know this was a theory that was being put out there by other people.
Your opinion of Petraeus is based on what a "buddy" of yours said. That is the leg you are standing on. You need more legs before you start admonishing others to stop posting how they see things.
Do you have an explanation for the facts as we know them now? I would love to hear your theory. Maybe you could summarize all of your posts into something that could be evaluated based on the facts as we know them at this time.
I believe knowing what I know that the drone issue can be mined for a lot more information and I don't mean the actual video, if there is one.
I don't speak for anyone but myself on this board.
Posted by: pawn at October 26, 2012 11:48 PM (iMsF6)
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My hope is that Petraeus is staying in to retain access to vital sources
and documentation - IOW material which he either is or will funnel to
outside the administration and into Congressional investigative
committees and/or media.
Were Petraeus to resign, he'd lose
access immediately. I'm not sure that'd be ideal. There's still a chance
that the country could go stupid again and reelect TFG. We'll need some
insiders who might actually understand and respect the Constitution
enough to keep the facts flowing.
Now if Petraeus is actually
actively participating in the coverup, then he'll go down as a disgrace.
I'm not ready to pile on to him yet."
I am. I have sadly come to the conclusion that Petraeus really is "Betrayus" like the lefties portrayed him in that full page NYT ad. First, he would NOT have stated this if he didn't know the cold facts. If he doesn't know the cold facts, then he, and the CIA, are not worth the money we're spending on them. No, the unalterable fact, is that Petraeus has NO HONOR, because he has not resigned and then come out and stated what he knows. His code as a Military member demands it! I really did respect this guy at one time, now I'm just sad and sickened by his lack of character and honor.
God help this country if this is an example of what our Military and political leadership have devolved to.
My hope is that Petraeus is staying in to retain access to vital sources
and documentation - IOW material which he either is or will funnel to
outside the administration and into Congressional investigative
committees and/or media.
Were Petraeus to resign, he'd lose
access immediately. I'm not sure that'd be ideal. There's still a chance
that the country could go stupid again and reelect TFG. We'll need some
insiders who might actually understand and respect the Constitution
enough to keep the facts flowing.
Now if Petraeus is actually
actively participating in the coverup, then he'll go down as a disgrace.
I'm not ready to pile on to him yet."
I am. I have sadly come to the conclusion that Petraeus really is "Betrayus" like the lefties portrayed him in that full page NYT ad. First, he would NOT have stated this if he didn't know the cold facts. If he doesn't know the cold facts, then he, and the CIA, are not worth the money we're spending on them. No, the unalterable fact, is that Petraeus has NO HONOR, because he has not resigned and then come out and stated what he knows. His code as a Military member demands it! I really did respect this guy at one time, now I'm just sad and sickened by his lack of character and honor.
God help this country if this is an example of what our Military and political leadership have devolved to.
Posted by: Webrider at October 27, 2012 12:01 AM (1V2Bz)
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WEbrider:
Horseshit.
Petraeus has done everything possible to let the American public know exactly who gave the stand-down order, and still do his job.
The order to stand down could have only come from two places: the CIA, and the POTUS.
He publicly denied that the CIA ordered a stand down.
What does he have to do to make you happy? Walk up to the President and start slapping him silly on camera?
( admittedly, that would make me happy ... )
Horseshit.
Petraeus has done everything possible to let the American public know exactly who gave the stand-down order, and still do his job.
The order to stand down could have only come from two places: the CIA, and the POTUS.
He publicly denied that the CIA ordered a stand down.
What does he have to do to make you happy? Walk up to the President and start slapping him silly on camera?
( admittedly, that would make me happy ... )
Posted by: Kristophr at October 27, 2012 12:21 AM (wYVte)
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Your opinion of Petraeus is based on what a "buddy" of yours said. That is the leg you are standing on. You need more legs before you start admonishing others to stop posting how they see things.
Posted by: pawn at October 26, 2012 11:48 PM (iMsF6)
No need to put "buddy" in quotes. I've known my friend, the retired Sergeant Major who served under Petraeus, for over 30 years. My friend and I started out as privates together, been in combat together. I'd die for him and he for me. I trust his judgement. If he tells me David Petraeus is a good man and a great leader and patriot, I believe him.
So is Petraeus political? All generals are political. Does that mean he would sacrifice the good of the country for the sake of personal gain (and what he would gain from complicity in this, no one can explain)? No, of course not.
Truth is, neither Petraeus nor any other high-ranking military man would disobey an order of the President no matter how venal, stupid, feckless or incompetent that President might be. The future of the Republic depends--at least in part--on the absolute submission of the military to civilian authority. Breach that submission by directly disobeying the POTUS and the country goes down a road from which there is no turning back.
Like I said: there is a bigger picture here. We don't have all the facts and we can't know what other issues are involved. Saying 'If Patraeus is an honorable man, then he should resign.' Right. Because what the country needs right now are good and honorable men and women walking off the stage during a major crisis and making themselves completely unable to affect events and sway decisions is what any honorable patriot would do; that is, if that honorable patriot was a complete idiot.
Posted by: pawn at October 26, 2012 11:48 PM (iMsF6)
No need to put "buddy" in quotes. I've known my friend, the retired Sergeant Major who served under Petraeus, for over 30 years. My friend and I started out as privates together, been in combat together. I'd die for him and he for me. I trust his judgement. If he tells me David Petraeus is a good man and a great leader and patriot, I believe him.
So is Petraeus political? All generals are political. Does that mean he would sacrifice the good of the country for the sake of personal gain (and what he would gain from complicity in this, no one can explain)? No, of course not.
Truth is, neither Petraeus nor any other high-ranking military man would disobey an order of the President no matter how venal, stupid, feckless or incompetent that President might be. The future of the Republic depends--at least in part--on the absolute submission of the military to civilian authority. Breach that submission by directly disobeying the POTUS and the country goes down a road from which there is no turning back.
Like I said: there is a bigger picture here. We don't have all the facts and we can't know what other issues are involved. Saying 'If Patraeus is an honorable man, then he should resign.' Right. Because what the country needs right now are good and honorable men and women walking off the stage during a major crisis and making themselves completely unable to affect events and sway decisions is what any honorable patriot would do; that is, if that honorable patriot was a complete idiot.
Posted by: troyriser at October 27, 2012 12:32 AM (ptcFO)
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I hate how I've felt about patraeus the past two weeks.... I hope I was wrong about him and that he's still one of the good guys
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at October 26, 2012 07:24 PM (H2Jdp)
Me too. Maybe the only way to bring it down is from the inside. Maybe thats what he is trying to do
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN2012 at October 26, 2012 07:24 PM (H2Jdp)
Me too. Maybe the only way to bring it down is from the inside. Maybe thats what he is trying to do
Posted by: Thunderb at October 27, 2012 12:38 AM (Dnbau)
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troyriser,
OK, so assuming Petraeus is an honorable man, how do you see how the facts as we understand them fit together? If you don't have a workable theory then either the facts or your assumption or wrong.
Other than using a bunch of invectives, would you care to comment on how my theory is lacking? Please just comment on what I said, not what you thought I said. Please also include in your explanation the presence of the drone since it does seem to be a fact at this point.
It's called speculation. Sometimes your right, sometimes your wrong. Most of the time the truth is stranger than you could even imagine.
OK, so assuming Petraeus is an honorable man, how do you see how the facts as we understand them fit together? If you don't have a workable theory then either the facts or your assumption or wrong.
Other than using a bunch of invectives, would you care to comment on how my theory is lacking? Please just comment on what I said, not what you thought I said. Please also include in your explanation the presence of the drone since it does seem to be a fact at this point.
It's called speculation. Sometimes your right, sometimes your wrong. Most of the time the truth is stranger than you could even imagine.
Posted by: pawn at October 27, 2012 01:13 AM (iMsF6)
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Do you have an explanation for the facts as we know them now? I would love to hear your theory. Maybe you could summarize all of your posts into something that could be evaluated based on the facts as we know them at this time.
Posted by: pawn at October 26, 2012 11:48 PM (iMsF6)
One last thing and I'll let this go. Paraphrasing, you're asking me what I think happened.
Valerie Jarrett happened. Remember reading about the intense talks the President had with his staff over whether or not to go for Bin Laden? Hillary was for the strike, of course. Panetta was hot for it, too. There was a general consensus among the more savvy foreign policy folks that going after that murderous bastard on the basis of all available intelligence was well worth the risks. Not so Valerie Jarrett, the President's closest, most trusted adviser, an adviser who knows absolutely nothing about foreign policy or much of anything else outside the labyrinth of Chicago machine politics. From what I've read, Jarrett argued vehemently against the Bin Laden raid, believing failure would result in a Carter-like backlash.
This time, I'm guessing the President took Jarrett's advice: do nothing, allow those men to die, blame it on a YouTube video, trust the press not to press too much, and focus on winning the election. This will all blow over in a few days. Too bad about the ambassador. Eggs and omelets and all that.
So that's what I think happened. This whole rotten deal has that little ferret's chubby paw prints all over it.
Posted by: pawn at October 26, 2012 11:48 PM (iMsF6)
One last thing and I'll let this go. Paraphrasing, you're asking me what I think happened.
Valerie Jarrett happened. Remember reading about the intense talks the President had with his staff over whether or not to go for Bin Laden? Hillary was for the strike, of course. Panetta was hot for it, too. There was a general consensus among the more savvy foreign policy folks that going after that murderous bastard on the basis of all available intelligence was well worth the risks. Not so Valerie Jarrett, the President's closest, most trusted adviser, an adviser who knows absolutely nothing about foreign policy or much of anything else outside the labyrinth of Chicago machine politics. From what I've read, Jarrett argued vehemently against the Bin Laden raid, believing failure would result in a Carter-like backlash.
This time, I'm guessing the President took Jarrett's advice: do nothing, allow those men to die, blame it on a YouTube video, trust the press not to press too much, and focus on winning the election. This will all blow over in a few days. Too bad about the ambassador. Eggs and omelets and all that.
So that's what I think happened. This whole rotten deal has that little ferret's chubby paw prints all over it.
Posted by: troyriser at October 27, 2012 01:28 AM (ptcFO)
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MYSTERY SOLVED. The big question about the whole video diversion is WHY not just say we don't know, still under investigation instead of pushing a story they KNEW was false?
Now we know. Whether or not to intervene in an attack on our consulate in a sovereign nation is a CinC all, and HE MADE IT: "stand down." Then HE WENT TO BED - hey, big fundraiser tomorrow, gotsta get some rest.
THAT is what is being covered up. Obama made the call NOT to rescue, and went to bed.
Now we know. Whether or not to intervene in an attack on our consulate in a sovereign nation is a CinC all, and HE MADE IT: "stand down." Then HE WENT TO BED - hey, big fundraiser tomorrow, gotsta get some rest.
THAT is what is being covered up. Obama made the call NOT to rescue, and went to bed.
Posted by: Adjoran at October 27, 2012 01:53 AM (ZHQvg)
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troyriser,
Thanks for sharing your theory.
So, do you think VJ gave the stand-down orders if in fact they were given? That seems consistent with your explanation.
VJ has to go under the bus soon if so. O cannot bear the thought of not being re-elected.
Thanks for sharing your theory.
So, do you think VJ gave the stand-down orders if in fact they were given? That seems consistent with your explanation.
VJ has to go under the bus soon if so. O cannot bear the thought of not being re-elected.
Posted by: pawn at October 27, 2012 02:02 AM (iMsF6)
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So, do you think VJ gave the stand-down orders if in fact they were given? That seems consistent with your explanation.
VJ has to go under the bus soon if so. O cannot bear the thought of not being re-elected.
Posted by: pawn at October 27, 2012 02:02 AM (iMsF6)
Valerie Jarrett is a presidential adviser. She would not be authorized to give a stand-down order to anyone. However, I think Valerie Jarrett persuaded the President to do what he was inclined to do anyway. Barack Obama has voted present all his life, always seeking the easiest way out of any given situation. Remember: based on written accounts from journalists with WH access, the way the President typically makes policy decisions is by having his advisers present to him various options, from which he chooses one: leadership by multiple choice. He's inclined to pick the option that suits his temperament and political needs.
I doubt very much President Obama thought anyone would seriously question the cover story about the video. More specifically, I doubt he figured Mohammed Yussef Magariaf, the new president of Libya, would be so impolitic as to publicly question the cover story. That's when things started unraveling.
And here we are, ten days out from the election.
VJ has to go under the bus soon if so. O cannot bear the thought of not being re-elected.
Posted by: pawn at October 27, 2012 02:02 AM (iMsF6)
Valerie Jarrett is a presidential adviser. She would not be authorized to give a stand-down order to anyone. However, I think Valerie Jarrett persuaded the President to do what he was inclined to do anyway. Barack Obama has voted present all his life, always seeking the easiest way out of any given situation. Remember: based on written accounts from journalists with WH access, the way the President typically makes policy decisions is by having his advisers present to him various options, from which he chooses one: leadership by multiple choice. He's inclined to pick the option that suits his temperament and political needs.
I doubt very much President Obama thought anyone would seriously question the cover story about the video. More specifically, I doubt he figured Mohammed Yussef Magariaf, the new president of Libya, would be so impolitic as to publicly question the cover story. That's when things started unraveling.
And here we are, ten days out from the election.
Posted by: troyriser at October 27, 2012 02:35 AM (ptcFO)
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Reporter: Were they denied requests for help?
Obama: <USELESS POLITICAL SPEAK THAT CONVEYS NOTHING>
Obama: <USELESS POLITICAL SPEAK THAT CONVEYS NOTHING>
Posted by: R. Waher at October 27, 2012 05:32 AM (4FP+P)
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Bill Kristol tagging Petraeus for throwing Obama under the bus -- no.
Obama threw himself under the bus.
This wasn't just Obama's Doctrine, Policy or bad Judgement Call, nor all those combined.
Obama's penchant for lies is his own undoing. He's walked himself over the cliff of no return.
After all, how long can Pinocchio's nose grow without perpetually tripping Pinocchio?
Deviating from the plot curve; teaching turning points.
http://tinyurl.com/8t7n6fl
Syd Field, author of Screenplay and The Screen Writer's Workbook, breaks up the acts into a different paradigm. He calls Act I Set Up, Act II Confrontation and Act III Resolution. Each of these plot points thrusts the action in a new direction. Men with more wisdom than me (sic) have analyzed and put their own spin on the three-act structure, and the one that I like best is from Michael Hauge, author of Writing Screenplays that Sell. Hauge's "Screenplay Structure: The Five Key Turning Points to All Successful Scripts" breaks the three acts up into six stages...
Act II and Stage IV end in the next Turning Point 4, at the 75 percent mark, which is Major Setback. Here the hero is failing to meet his goals and things start to look hopeless. This may also be what is called the "black moment" when everything appears to be lost.
Now the hero enters Stage V, which is Final Push. Here the hero picks himself up, finds that reserve strength and keeps pushing until the end, which he finds at Turning Point 5. This where the climax of the story occurs and it can appear anywhere around the 90 percent mark to almost the end. The climax is the biggest moment the hero faces, the big moment of triumph or failure. The outer motivation is resolved.
After Turning Point 5 comes the very brief Stage VI, which is called The Aftermath. Here the story winds up and finishes.
Obama threw himself under the bus.
This wasn't just Obama's Doctrine, Policy or bad Judgement Call, nor all those combined.
Obama's penchant for lies is his own undoing. He's walked himself over the cliff of no return.
After all, how long can Pinocchio's nose grow without perpetually tripping Pinocchio?
Deviating from the plot curve; teaching turning points.
http://tinyurl.com/8t7n6fl
Syd Field, author of Screenplay and The Screen Writer's Workbook, breaks up the acts into a different paradigm. He calls Act I Set Up, Act II Confrontation and Act III Resolution. Each of these plot points thrusts the action in a new direction. Men with more wisdom than me (sic) have analyzed and put their own spin on the three-act structure, and the one that I like best is from Michael Hauge, author of Writing Screenplays that Sell. Hauge's "Screenplay Structure: The Five Key Turning Points to All Successful Scripts" breaks the three acts up into six stages...
Act II and Stage IV end in the next Turning Point 4, at the 75 percent mark, which is Major Setback. Here the hero is failing to meet his goals and things start to look hopeless. This may also be what is called the "black moment" when everything appears to be lost.
Now the hero enters Stage V, which is Final Push. Here the hero picks himself up, finds that reserve strength and keeps pushing until the end, which he finds at Turning Point 5. This where the climax of the story occurs and it can appear anywhere around the 90 percent mark to almost the end. The climax is the biggest moment the hero faces, the big moment of triumph or failure. The outer motivation is resolved.
After Turning Point 5 comes the very brief Stage VI, which is called The Aftermath. Here the story winds up and finishes.
Posted by: panzernashorn at October 27, 2012 07:02 AM (BAnPT)
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Mr. President, were they denied requests for help?
This is the essential question that should be asked at every news conference, every appearance, every opportunity that avails itself.
This should NOT come from the Romney camp, that would only give the MSM an opportunity to change the focus from the essential question to who is asking the question.
Everywhere, Every time. Billboards. Ads. You name it.
Mr. President, were they denied requests for help?
365
Mr. President, were they denied requests for help?
This is the essential question that should be asked at every news conference, every appearance, every opportunity that avails itself.
This should NOT come from the Romney camp, that would only give the MSM an opportunity to change the focus from the essential question to who is asking the question.
Everywhere, Every time. Billboards. Ads. You name it.
Mr. President, were they denied requests for help?
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