Romney Wins The War, Again

In CNN's poll, 48% said Obama won, 40% Romney.

But as far as changing votes, 24% said they were more inclined to vote for Obama, 25% for Romney.

On the question of who was qualified to be Commander in Chief: 60% said Romney was.

63% said Obama was.

PPP did a poll. It had Obama winning.

But here's the unkindest cut, from @DKElections (Daily Kos Elections). I've changed the tweet a little to make it more readable.

Weird: Among indies in @PPPPolls, 47% say they're more likely to vote for Romney, 35% less; 32% say they're more likely to vote for Obama, 48% less. But indies thought O won debate 55-40, voting for him 46-36

Not weird. Romney's strategy was correct. He gained some ground. Even though the "independents" skewed strongly to Obama.

Obama's whole campaign -- and his debate strategy -- has been to "win the newscycle" and lob a bunch of small-bore attacks and micro-appeals. He keeps doing that and doing that.

I've been saying this for a while: You can win every newscycle and still lose. Because people don't vote on whatever dumb story you pushed into the newscycle. They're voting the the future, and the country, and their children.

A lot bigger stuff that binders full of Big Bird.

Krauthammer called it an "unequivocal" win for Romney.

Obama had successfully used ads and media allies to paint Romney has a heartless vampire, a soulless robot, a bloodthirsty warmonger.

The story of the debates has been Romney using completely free media to undo all that Narrative, and all that money spent.

I think that Obama was only up because he had gone negative on Romney so hard, as part of the "Kill Romney" strategy they announced 8, 9 months ago.

People do not like the way things are. They do not like the economy and are sick of Obama's excuses.

So Obama poured hundreds of millions of dollars into ads to paint Romney as unnacceptable.

Well, in four debates (including Ryan), the Romney-Ryan team as painted themselves as perfectly acceptable, even appealing.

That means that the election returns to... the economy people don't like, and the endless excuses people are sick to death of hearing.

ABC's Rick Klein... seems to think it's advantage Romney.

In a debate about who should be commander-in-chief, Mitt Romney was just as much in command as the man in the job now.

...

But Romney also had a strong debate, in pursuing different goals than the president. He sought to come across as reasonable rather than confrontational — a candidate comfortable with the campaign’s trajectory.

“Attacking me is not talking about an agenda,” Romney said at one point.

Perhaps oddly for a challenger, Romney singled out areas of agreement with the president — on Egypt, Syria, the use of drone strikes — and then used disagreements to stitch together an argument that looked forward.

...

But Romney had already shown voters that he belongs on the stage with the president. Coming into the debate, he’d fought himself into a virtual tie with the president on key issue areas, according to the new ABC News/Washington Post poll, with little daylight between the two men on trust in handling terrorism, international affairs, or serving as commander-in-chief.

...


There’s no going back, though, to a point where a single debate could change the trajectory of a campaign. Nothing happened tonight to change the race’s direction — and Romney walks away strong after playing on Obama’s turf, competing for his job.

Posted by: Ace at 12:05 AM



Comments

1 Frist!

Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet at October 23, 2012 12:06 AM (pcnpf)

2 The preference cascade proceeds apace.

Posted by: RarestRX at October 23, 2012 12:07 AM (9ct4e)

3 Prevent defense. Yeah. That's the ticket.

Posted by: IdowhatIwant ( at October 23, 2012 12:07 AM (a4CUi)

4 mne
Romney
lost/ ha,Ha,Ha, hah,.,,,,..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:07 AM (9+ccr)

5 Seriously though, Obama's job one was to stop the bleeding. I don't think this is going to do it. The momentum is with Mitt, the polls are with Mitt, the debates were, at the least, not against Mitt, and Mitt continues to look like a President, not a candidate.

Bottom line: Obama loses.

Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet at October 23, 2012 12:07 AM (pcnpf)

6 Romney won in my opinion. He looked presidential. End of story. The other lunatic looked like an idiot baiting him with what he considered was snark. Looked like a fool in the process.

Posted by: Sassy at October 23, 2012 12:08 AM (detCI)

7 First. I'll stick ya with my bayonet if not!

Posted by: RWC at October 23, 2012 12:08 AM (t+Sdx)

8 I think it means that a lot of people ARE really afraid to say they aren't voting for Obama, even to a pollster.

This is no longer tin foil hat territory, it is the distrubing reality of how divisive Obama has been.

Posted by: Nate at October 23, 2012 12:08 AM (b6qQk)

9 Um, First?

Posted by: Snotnosed Nuclear Sonic Punk at October 23, 2012 12:08 AM (Y+woW)

10 Okay 10th?

Posted by: Snotnosed Nuclear Sonic Punk at October 23, 2012 12:08 AM (Y+woW)

11 haha I look forward to all your tears come elections day #deludedconservatives #obamatriumph

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:08 AM (XfJWN)

12 Suck it Greg!

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:08 AM (IJOxR)

13 "Obama's whole campaign -- and his debate strategy -- has been to "win
the newscycle" and lob a bunch of small-bore attacks and micro-appeals.
He keeps doing that and doing that."

That's a strategy of a non-strategist. Obama is more comfortable with tactics than strategy. Strategy requires vision, patience, hard work making sure it's executed properly at each step.

Does that sound like something Obama is good at?

Posted by: JB at October 23, 2012 12:08 AM (xVcWj)

14 I posted this on the liveblog thread, but this one is newer...

Did anybody see Bob Schieffer opening his binder **ON CAMERA** during Romney's closing statement??? Starting at 1:23 in this video:

http://bit.ly/TurWLH

Posted by: pbrown at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (idRzK)

15 Drats.

But bayonet beats binders everytime.

Posted by: RWC at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (t+Sdx)

16 So Romneys going with a running game and Obamas going for the Hail Mary?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (DbhrR)

17 My favorite thing is the left just loves the carrier and submarine line.

Everyone else just says, "Jesus, what a condescending douchebag."

Posted by: RarestRX at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (9ct4e)

18 Then why all the posts about polls and MSM bias?

Posted by: runninrebel at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (N/1Dm)

19 Romney could have done better-Obama was better on the debate angle but I do agree that Romney offers more substance on the major issues of the day.

Posted by: McLovin' at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (IO6Fu)

20 Winning!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (M1gmo)

21 totes, people may think that someone was slick enough to win the debate, but that same person likes to think he's smart enough to see past the slick to the real issues.

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (Z3ckx)

22 The fact check on the auto-bailout is going to be brutal. I expect an ad to be playing in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania by breakfast.

Posted by: Andy at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (OZPoa)

23 Power line says Obama looked like he was flailing and that will become moe obvious as the days go by

Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (M/TDA)

24 I saw Binders Full of Big Bird open for Pretentious Douche at the Irvine Spectrum in 2003.

Posted by: sifty at October 23, 2012 12:10 AM (p39GY)

25 14
I posted this on the liveblog thread, but this one is newer...



Did anybody see Bob Schieffer opening his binder **ON CAMERA**
during Romney's closing statement??? Starting at 1:23 in this video:



http://bit.ly/TurWLH

Posted by: pbrown at October 23, 2012 12:09 AM (idRzK)]
Yes and you kept seeing Schieffer's hands come up to let Romney know it was time to stop.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:10 AM (M1gmo)

26 romney's strategy is truly a softsell to the persuadeable, not red meat to me. dammit.

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 23, 2012 12:10 AM (Z3ckx)

27 Obama doesn't understand bankruptcy or its protections. P.S. Where's the money, Karl Rove?

Posted by: Snotnosed Nuclear Sonic Punk at October 23, 2012 12:10 AM (Y+woW)

28
Obama continued his excellent campaign for Sixth Grade Class President.

Romney continued his excellent campaign for President of the United States and Leader of the Free World.

Posted by: rockmom at October 23, 2012 12:10 AM (qe2/V)

29 Technically speaking, Isn't a ship that goes under the water considered a wreck?

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at October 23, 2012 12:10 AM (BAnPT)

30 I'm sorry, but Romney needed another big win to take Ohio. He didn't get that. Election is over.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (XfJWN)

31 Okay, for what it's worth obama sucked,. I'm out .... good night.... ma

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (9+ccr)

32 and yes, obama sounds to me like he's floudering no matter what he says. I guess moderates can translate "drone"

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (Z3ckx)

33 Posted this in the ONT:

Obama = Philadelphia Eagles
Romney = New York Giants

One guy wins head to head, but the other guy wins the thing that matters the most

Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (B/yDO)

34 I don't think Obama cares if he loses the Presidency, I never thought President was at the top of his list. And he has been, if nothing else, always climbing up his list; it’s all he cares about. In his eyes, being UN Secretary General will be equivalent to President of the World. I think Obama will see him reemerge as Secretary General of the UN.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (IJOxR)

35 And there's the CBS snap poll of uncommitted voters which said Obama won the debate 53/23. But you'll work hard to spin that as a Romney win......how? Spin, spin, spin. Every good poll for Obama is great news for Romney! Spin, spin, spin. You're not interested in the truth. You're interested in convincing yourself that Romney is in the process of running away with this election. You're interested in working hard to try to prove your laughable preference cascade theory. And then when Obama is re-elected, you'll blame the media. As always.

Posted by: American at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (gnViO)

36 Just because someone is a slicker salesman does not mean they sell a better product.

Obama usually wins the "American Idol" type contests because he's simply less stiff and more fluid than Romney, but on substance, most of these debates have helped Romney.

My honest opinion was that Romney won this debate going away and Obama made some killer gaffes that will cost him key states (like comparing Navy ships to bayonets)

Had Romney come into this debate thumping his chest on foreign policy, I think Americans would have had deja vu of the NeoCon nightmare that was Dubya.

Posted by: Jeepers at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (XDRsa)

37

That means that the election returns to... the economy people don't
like, and the endless excuses people are sick to death of hearing.





Posted by: Ace at 12:05 AM

And Obama's "solutions" for the future: Roads, Bridges, Teachers, Tax the Rich.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (M1gmo)

38 Because the biggest thing a challenger to an unpopular, failed President is to overcome the "is he up to the job?" question. Especially when the incumbent has tried to scare people for the entire campaign.

Tonight, Obama was on offense. You don't have to do that if you're the incumbent and you're winning.

Romney was not great except for a couple of times here and there. He didn't have to be.

Carter tried to scare people about Reagan and having his finger on the button. When they saw them side by side and Reagan saying, "There you go again," tut, tut, that attack started to lose its effectiveness. Recall one big Carter flub was saying how he talked to Amy about nuclear weapons. He was trying to scare mothers about Reagan, but instead it backfired because it sounded so unpresidential.

That's a bit what Obama's "Battleship" comment was like tonight. He wanted to demean Mitt and make him sound uninformed, but instead it made Obama seem unserious. (And probably hurt him in Virginia.)

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (vouc9)

39 Actually, I think I saw Blinders on Big Turd, and O flew right into a brink wall.

Posted by: jb at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (sdU0o)

40 Obama's whole campaign -- and his debate strategy -- has been to "win the newscycle"

That's been his whole fucking presidency. non-stop.

Posted by: charlie gibson at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (PHb2k)

41 It's like the dog that didn't bark. Obama's failure through three debates to deliver a compelling defense of his first four years is in itself an indictment of them. What Big Bird and binders tell you is that the Obama people don't want to fight on the field that they constructed. They know the last four years are not an asset, and voters do too, whether they say so or not.

Posted by: CausticConservative at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (gT3jF)

42 Two weeks to go, morons and moronettes. Keep that in mind while you do whatever it is you freaks do for entertainment.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Now with more! at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (gmoEG)

43 Excellent post, Ace. Couldn't agree more.

Romney kept his debate performance to big themes, and didn't get dragged down into the weeds.

He didn't attack on Benghazi like I wish he would have, but on the other hand, he came across as emotionally calm and stable -- a must requirement for the White House and Commander in Chief.

Obama came across stronger than in any debate this election, but he really had no choice since his lackadaisical first debate.

Romney did not come across as weak. He came across as controlled.

This measured approach let Obama win a few more debating points, but passed the test of being emotionally stable and ready for the Presidency.

It wasn't a knockout by any means, and maybe even a slight Obama victory. But Romney had the momentum and made the decision just to keep that ship going in his direction, rather than changing course.

Tactical victory to Obama. But not nearly enough to change the strategic direction of the Romney campaign.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (u8eBQ)

44 Shocking.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 12:13 AM (TMB3S)

45 The body language tells everything. Michelle looked like she was going to cry when she was up there with the Romneys. Not just uncomfortable but really really sad.

Posted by: Sassy at October 23, 2012 12:13 AM (detCI)

46 Samwise, if you are in need of some potaters come election night to help console your grief, I'd be willing to bring some over.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:13 AM (XfJWN)

47 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2012 12:13 AM (6o4Fb)

48 Unfortunately, Romney needs independents to break hard for him and that isn't happening. It's one thing to lie to the group you're speaking to, it's another when everyone you've been lying to is watching at the same time.

Man, there is going to be a TON of conservative butthurt on Dec 7th.

On the other hand, Romney could lose. Haha.

But seriously folks, this game is over. Enjoy blowing smoke up each other's ***es -- this site provides more humor than the net output of Stewart and Colbert combined.

Posted by: Foobar at October 23, 2012 12:14 AM (c7Zr5)

49 "In his eyes, being UN Secretary General will be equivalent to President of the World."

Nah, he's finished. No-one likes a loser, even the tranzie progs.

He's running for country club golf champion.

Posted by: JB at October 23, 2012 12:14 AM (xVcWj)

50 30
I'm sorry, but Romney needed another big win to take Ohio. He didn't get that. Election is over.''' before I go to bed... fuck you,,,

It was Obama who needled to have at least one win....


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:14 AM (9+ccr)

51 "PPP post-debate INDYs only key stat: "More/less likely to vote after debate" - Obama 32 more/48 less. Romney 47 more/35 less"

^^^^All you need to know^^^^

Posted by: Grig at October 23, 2012 12:14 AM (BsG1N)

52 Tactical victory to Obama. But not nearly enough to change the strategic direction of the Romney campaign.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (u8eBQ)

Not even that. You see the internals of the polling? Even PPP is finding independents up huge with Romney now.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:14 AM (M1gmo)

53 Romney didn't sound like Bush in foreign policy and thus avoided a blitz of campaign ads. He may not have won in the actual debate, which I thought was closer to a draw, but he wins by not giving camp Obama any more Bush war fodder.

Posted by: taylork at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (+nCTZ)

54 Keep lying to yourself wingnuts! Just wait until I pole the glory hole tomorrow! It'll show a 15 point bounce for Obama!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (/YJYi)

55 @Donna "It was Obama who needled to have at least one win...."

Oh, but he did. He is 2 for 3.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (XfJWN)

56 okay all yo obama sniffing pukes...

sorry you lost...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (9+ccr)

57 The few remaining undecided voters don't give a good god damn about foreign affairs.

"Benghazi? I loved his second album."

Doesn't matter if Obama won 97%-3% -- it won't change a single vote. The remaining undecideds are the ones who think Michelle won the First Lady debate.

And if it's a tie? Then it's REALLY no effect whatsoever.

Plus it happened at the same time as a baseball playoff. All the undecideds were watching that.

Mo-Mitt-um continues.

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (+cx5n)

58 Our trolls don't even try. Its like they got their ladyparts caught in a binder.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (OWjjx)

59 @30- The polls in OH are tied. I doubt anyone outside of political junkies even watched this debate tonight. Especially considering that there was NLCS game 7 and MNF going on simultaneously.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (IJOxR)

60 Technically speaking, Isn't a ship that goes under the water considered a wreck?>>

The Obama Fitzgerald

http://tinyurl.com/8lyj67n

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (DbhrR)

61 #11: So, coming here and trolling is your idea of a life?

And I thought I was dull...

Night 'rons and 'ronettes.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Now with more! at October 23, 2012 12:16 AM (gmoEG)

62 CNN and R+10 doesn't exist in same sentence

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 23, 2012 12:16 AM (Z3ckx)

63 Why does Obama get madder at Romney than he does at the guys who killed our ambassador?

Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 23, 2012 12:16 AM (JVCVF)

64 58
Just a little info about that CNN poll...



The sample was R+10

Posted by: RomneylosesOhio at October 23, 2012 12:15 AM (Jk+oU)

Was it really? Oh no! LEFTIES COMPLAINING ABOUT POLL SAMPLING!!! POLLING DENIERS!!!!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:17 AM (M1gmo)

65 What's with the trolls tonight?

it's like they're not even trying

boring

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 12:17 AM (uLTng)

66 Gerg hacked the cock out of his throat long enought to drop a rat turd on the thread?

Posted by: maddogg at October 23, 2012 12:17 AM (w2iaX)

67 I think Obama pretty much sealed the deal with Ohio voters when he reminded them of how he was one of the only nations to stand with the Tunisian people.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 23, 2012 12:17 AM (vouc9)

68 "55 @Donna "It was Obama who needled to have at least one win...."

Oh, but he did. He is 2 for 3.
Posted by: greg"

The pitcher who allowed a grand slam on an 0-2 pitch was also 2 out of 3.

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2012 12:17 AM (+cx5n)

69 Ace, It's not that Obama wasted hundreds of millions of dollars on attack ads. Obama saved hundreds of millions of dollars since he only pissed away half the money that he did on the stimulus.

Posted by: MSM Fact Checker at October 23, 2012 12:17 AM (7BYQH)

70 48:

"Man, there is going to be a TON of conservative butthurt on Dec 7th."

Yes, please make sure to go to the polls on December 6th and turn the tide for the great Barack Obama.

Posted by: dsm at October 23, 2012 12:18 AM (1pQ2K)

71 Did Romney appear competent WRT world affairs? Yes, he did. Not a single stutter or pause that I can remember. Wide grasp of all the topics and knew both his own and Obama's policies and could argue them all.

Now, was he as aggressive as I'd have preferred? No, but that was a politically strategic move to take some edge off. He has my vote already. Since I'm not a Donk, I can't vote twice so any bonus energy spent on me is wasted. What Romney did do was appeal to the "independents" who would argue that a more passive approach forces desirable comity and a bit of isolationism to get out of foreign affairs. They'll not have to decide to go for a "warmonger". To that end Romney is an infinitely better politician than I could ever dream of being.

Romney won. He just laid down the last stepping stone to the presidency. Now it's just up to the GOTV efforts and I'm certain that it's vibrant and energized this year to an extent not seen since Reagan. The MFM and most of the punditry class won't know what hit them. As before, none of them know anyone who'll vote for Romney.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 23, 2012 12:18 AM (eHIJJ)

72 I'm just stoked that come Nov. 7th, a majority of the country will be racist again.
Good times......good times

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 12:18 AM (AREf/)

73 Wow. a Zombie appearance.

Posted by: maddogg at October 23, 2012 12:18 AM (w2iaX)

74 LEFTIES COMPLAINING ABOUT POLL SAMPLING!!! POLLING DENIERS!!!!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:18 AM (M1gmo)

75 >>>Not even that. You see the internals of the polling? Even PPP is finding independents up huge with Romney now.

Well that's Krauthammer's personal reaction too. I am not that optimistic about it (not pessimistic either). However, he's a smart guy and could be right.

Also, it's how it pans out over the next few days, so we'll see.

I certainly hope this debate pushes the needle toward Romney even more, although I am in the "won't change anything" camp.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:18 AM (u8eBQ)

76
@35 Why so angry? If you really thought O was winning, you'd be smug and gloating, not angry. Will you return here come Election night when R wins?

You no doubt thought O won the last debate as well, yet the polls in the days post debate didn't show it. Mitt continues to rise in the polls and RCP has him ahead in the electoral college.

The debates haven't helped O, they've hurt him.

Posted by: inquiring minds wish to know at October 23, 2012 12:19 AM (Q2wni)

77 Oh, but he did. He is 2 for 3.

Uh, dumbass, your boyfriend's last "victory" cost him another 2 points in the polls. You retards are going to "victory" yourselves into a 40-state loss if you just work hard enough at it.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:19 AM (q5NFp)

78 I do think you guys underestimate how many people watched the debate, or rather, overestimate how many people watched baseball.

MNF I can see, but baseball ratings have been trending down, and it was 5-0 Giants by the time the debate started

Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:19 AM (B/yDO)

79 Well that's Krauthammer's personal reaction too.
I am not that optimistic about it (not pessimistic either). However,
he's a smart guy and could be right.



Also, it's how it pans out over the next few days, so we'll see.



I certainly hope this debate pushes the needle toward Romney even more, although I am in the "won't change anything" camp.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:18 AM (u8eBQ)

Well. Lets look at the last debate. Oh yeah. No stopping Mittmentum.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (M1gmo)

80 On my 60 It was the gales of November that sunk the Obama Fitzgerald. Will make maybe more sense that way.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (DbhrR)

81 Gregster, your mommy says it's time for beddy bye. You don't want to miss your bus tomorrow morning do you?

We know what loss is. We've lived it these last 4 years. My unemployed friends know all about loss, loss of job, that is. The fact that you don't means you're either on the dole or living off mommy and daddy. So basically crowing that Romney is going to lose don't mean shit to us. If he does we'll continue to live our lives the best we can while you continue to suck on the public tit or sleep in your parents' basement.

Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (M/TDA)

82 On the question of who was qualified to be Commander in Chief: 60% said Romney was.

63% said Obama was.



_________________________

Who did this poll---? That doesn't even add up.

Posted by: tasker at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (r2PLg)

83 some troll thinks we will buy the story that cnn ran an R+10 poll?

are you effing kidding me?

where have all the good trolls gone?

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (uLTng)

84 "won't change anything" though is my (most likely and also) worst case scenario. It might help Romney, as some of you feel, just because he looked in control of himself -- the sine qua non for a Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (u8eBQ)

85 Keep you hopes alive with the idiotic notion of some preference cascade. I can't wait. We should skype conference election night so I can hear your moans.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (XfJWN)

86 Obama: Mr. Romney is soooo out of touch he actually thinks the Navy needs ships! We've got all these new things like aircraft carriers and submarines. Definitely not ships.

Posted by: Pete at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (v5ioQ)

87 I think the biggest thing to take from the PPP poll is that winning a debate does not necessarily translate into votes for the winner. It's quite possible many saw Obama winning the debate, but they liked the loser more as a potential president.

Posted by: Chris R at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (qP4e9)

88 "73 Wow. a Zombie appearance.
Posted by: maddogg"

Trying to wipe the stink of this off my fingers:

http://zombietime.com/rally_for_nudity_sf_10-20-12/

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (+cx5n)

89
DIZ.

Diz iz vat it iz about....Rommel Vinsde electsion!...und de sexzy Olgaz in de ONT! Achtung!!

Posted by: Some dead NAZI fapping in his grave at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (H7jIA)

90 Let the circular firing squad begin!

David Frum, former economic speechwriter for President George W. Bush: "Real bottom line: when debating in front of a big national audience, Romney will offer no substantial criticism of Obama foreign policy."

Glenn Beck, wingnut ringleader: "I am glad to know that mitt agrees with Obama so much. No, really. Why vote?"

Michelle Malkin, professional asshole: "Why hasn't Romney gone after Obama for Gitmo jihadist coddling, delaying justice for American victims' families?"

Oh god, this is better than Christmas, New Years and the 4th all rolled into one.

(popcorn)

Posted by: Foobar at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (c7Zr5)

91
That's a bit what Obama's "Battleship" comment
was like tonight. He wanted to demean Mitt and make him sound
uninformed, but instead it made Obama seem unserious. (And probably hurt
him in Virginia.)


Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 23, 2012 12:12 AM (vouc9)
and uninformed.
Our special forces use horses in vehicle inaccessible areas in the middle east.And our military still attaches bayonets to their weapons.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (ovpNn)

92 Really? The media disagrees.... Say what?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (9+ccr)

93 This debate wasn't as much fun as the first two, but the subject matter was well-placed in the third spot for Romney to present a non-warmongery side.

Not that I buy for a moment that he is a warmonger, but others do.

He didn't stand to lose much, and momentum is already on his side, so well done.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (piMMO)

94 Here is my 1 question for the trolls.
What were your boys on msnbc talking about at this time in 2008?

(hint) it sure as shit wasn't fighting the challengers kids.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (AREf/)

95 tasker: That's just a "yes-no," not a preference/comparison. Is the man qualified to do the job?

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (vouc9)

96 Greg Nice try troll but the sample was ACTUALLY D+2

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (IJOxR)

97 At this point, the only shocking thing will be when ace posts a FP apologizing for to those of us who were right all along, sort of the opposite he did when he got all butt hurt about Perry getting hammered for being the dunce he is and decided to take it out on us.

Not holding my breath.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (TMB3S)

98 With each debate Romney became a more credible alternative to President Obama. Because of this it's all tied up with momentum on Romney's side. The next two weeks the Media will do all it can to reverse that momentum. It's going to get ugly.

Posted by: MostlyRight at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (ZG8Ti)

99 Suck it gerg.

Posted by: meh at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (66rv5)

100 Unfortunately, Romney needs independents to break hard for him and that isn't happening.
**************************

Liberal logic: a 24 point advantage with independents over Obama is not considered breaking hard for Romney.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Teams Up With Mitt Romney's Hair to Defeat SCOAMF at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (+AV7H)

101 82

That poll was a "Was he presidential? Yes/No"

Two separate questions. Thus how O scored 63/37 and RMoney got 60/40

Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (B/yDO)

102 And a reminder once again that all trolls are Average Joe who, since 2007, has by his own free will, sucked cock.

Posted by: A PSA Reminding You That Average Joe Sucks Cock By Choice at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (OWjjx)

103 >>>Who did this poll---? That doesn't even add up.

Yeah, it does. It wasn't asking for a preference between the two, just if they meet the qualification requirements.

As a general matter, it's possible for two candidates to both be qualified for a position.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (u8eBQ)

104 SHARK ATTACK on Greta

Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:22 AM (B/yDO)

105 82
Who says it doesn't add up. 63+60= 100 right?

Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 12:23 AM (M/TDA)

106 And this momentum that Romney has built will begin to pick up speed.

There are an awful lot of people who cannot stomach voting for the losing side and will vote the presumed winner because of it.

Those people are idiots but their votes count just the same as the informed voter.

This time around, we'll take it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (piMMO)

107
85
Keep you hopes alive with the idiotic notion of some preference cascade.
I can't wait. We should skype conference election night so I can hear
your moans.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:20 AM (XfJWN)

#LOLGreg
Moaning with all the pudding we're dipping into.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (M1gmo)

108 I have come here to lie without getting caught and to suck coclk.

What.........you caught me in a lie already....o.k., its $5 for the other thing.

Posted by: Gerg at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (OWjjx)

109 Romney'splan was to make the debate NOT about foreign policy. It was to build on one theme, that American power is based on a healthy growing economy.
To make it bigger than FP choices. Bigger then Benghazi.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (kzejo)

110 Heh. looks like the Zombie is trying to wipe some serious eye carrion off on me. OK, I'll have a look, I have a strong stomach.

Posted by: maddogg at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (w2iaX)

111 105
82

Who says it doesn't add up. 63+60= 100 right?

Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 12:23 AM (M/TDA)

Kind of like 57 states huh?

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (M1gmo)

112 90 Let the circular firing squad begin!

David Frum, former economic speechwriter for President George W. Bush: "Real bottom line: when debating in front of a big national audience, Romney will offer no substantial criticism of Obama foreign policy."

Glenn Beck, wingnut ringleader: "I am glad to know that mitt agrees with Obama so much. No, really. Why vote?"

Michelle Malkin, professional asshole: "Why hasn't Romney gone after Obama for Gitmo jihadist coddling, delaying justice for American victims' families?"

Oh god, this is better than Christmas, New Years and the 4th all rolled into one.

(popcorn)

I'm calling bullshit. Leftists don't like the 4th, and they're often not fans of Christmas, either.

Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (JVCVF)

113 >>>Perry getting hammered for being the dunce he is

I'm very sympathetic to the Perry is a dunce line of thinking, to be honest, as I opposed him during the primary, and thought some of his ads were over the top.

That said, he's subsequently been proven right about certain things, including on foreign policy. He'd be a much better President than Obama on that and also on the economy.

Some other things, not so much.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (u8eBQ)

114 SHARK ATTACK on Greta


***

So.... she didn't retain the stylist from her convention appearance.

Bad move.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (piMMO)

115 The fact that Florida could elect someone like Debbie Wasserman Schultz tells us everything we need to know about the state...

Posted by: George W Beagle at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (JwW4z)

116 Keep you hopes alive with the idiotic notion of some preference cascade. I can't wait. We should skype conference election night so I can hear your moans.

I guess that double-digit implosion your side has experienced since the beginning of the month has to do with tidal forces or some such.

Giggle.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (q5NFp)

117 Greg, if only being a better debater meant jobs or a better economy you might have something. I don't think this last debate changed anyone's mind. Substance usually wins over style especially when money or livelihood is involved.

Posted by: McLovin' at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (IO6Fu)

118 "where have all the good trolls gone?
Posted by: kinlaw"

Where have all the good trolls gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the good trolls gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the good trolls gone?
Jacking off on snuff porn sites.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2012 12:24 AM (+cx5n)

119 Bambi is still fighting the first debate.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (6JMZR)

120 damn that bitch is ugly.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (ovpNn)

121
I like to stick Mr. Happy into electrical sockets.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (ZETiK)

122 *Takes one step closer to the ledge*

Posted by: ToldYaISuckCockByChoice at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (/YJYi)

123 Anyone else notice that Sasquatch that assaulted Zero when the debate ended?

Where was the Secret Service? There should be an investigation.

Posted by: meh at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (66rv5)

124 DWS is yet again l lying ... duh ...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (9+ccr)

125 > I think the biggest thing to take from the PPP poll is that winning a
debate does not necessarily translate into votes for the winner.

Right. See Gore, first debate, 2000. He won, but everyone thought he was a jerk.

Same with Biden, who would have clearly one his debate by not letting Ryan get a complete sentence out, if he had controlled his stupid smirking and giggling.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (vouc9)

126 Man, there is going to be a TON of conservative butthurt on Dec 7th.

Posted by: Foobar


Yeah, Dec. 7th.

Keep thinking that, Puddles.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (DKxu1)

127 I posted tis on the ONT but I think everyone is drunk over there...
Chicago area morons, we will party hard on November 6. We've got the place, we just need you guys to celebrate with us. We'll be partying in the city. If you want to join us -- and why wouldn't you -- check the Yahoo group member message board for details.

Posted by: Sassy at October 23, 2012 12:25 AM (detCI)

128 Three debate recap: Big Bird, binders, bayonets.

Enjoy Hawaii, Barry.

Posted by: parteagirl at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (J/MHD)

129 I'm still worried, Ace. The race is still in question. Thing is, you're still a bearded fatty. Wanna call me "lunatic" some more?

Failure in this regard isn't the end of the world, but fuck y0u anyway for what you did. Asshole.

Posted by: IdowhatIwant ( at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (a4CUi)

130 The Luntz focus group was interesting (although several people did not seem truly "undecided). They overwhelmingly said Obama won on foreign policy, but they said Romney clearly won when talking about the economy. When Luntz asked how many thought foreign policy was the most important issue this election, only two hands went up. 25 hands went up for the economy. Luntz asked them which candidate won on the economy throughout all of the debates; it was hands-down Romney. So, while people may think Obama won this little battle tonight, the voters feel that Romney is winning the war. When voters go to the polls, they'll be voting on the economy, and Obama loses on that battleground.

Posted by: Restless at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (W3QFu)

131 They don't make trolls like they used to..... Now all out trolls start off as "concerned Mobys" before the mask slips.....

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (IJOxR)

132 >>>Michelle Malkin, professional asshole

lol

Ha ha ha! Truer words were never spoken.

She's smart, she's brave, and I even agree with her for the most part about the anger thing, about Benghazi and so many other issues.

But Romney wasn't trying to appeal to me or to her or to Krauthammer -- he's already got our support in the bag.

He was clearly going after the folks turning the fucking dials.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (u8eBQ)

133 Mittmentum continues thank God

Posted by: zeera at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (Lv9bM)

134 The news right now has been Romney's surging. His strategy tonight was to make sure that continues to be the news.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (sCI7M)

135 If Romney sound like George W. bush 2 electric bugaloo the democrats would be howling about it.

Romney didn't do a whole lot today other than keep the debate about the economy, which he wins decidedly. You can't talk about the warmongering Romney when he agrees with the "peace loving" Obama.

Posted by: taylork at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (+nCTZ)

136 The fact that Florida could elect someone like Debbie Wasserman Schultz tells us everything we need to know about the state...


****

You know, most of the state is not in the Miami/Lauderdale area.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (piMMO)

137 Sothe piece of shit media is yet again lying that obama won...... big surprise...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (9+ccr)

138 @118

lol zombie, I thought of that song the first time I read my comment after it posted

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (uLTng)

139 Romney aimed his pitch tonight squarely at vagina-based lifeforms. Nice, strong, peaceful -- no wars, promise -- but not weak, responsible, thoughtful.

And all those sons and grandkids. Never underestimate the power of the Romney super-sperm!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (ZPrif)

140 @123
oh my fucking gawd! you made me laugh so loud, I woke up the kids.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (AREf/)

141 Zombie, I like the fat woman with the "nudity is not a crime" sign on her ass. I would say she rather neatly proves otherwise.

Posted by: maddogg at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (w2iaX)

142 I admit I was alarmed after the Libya question, but husband said this was the plan, to be presidential and discredit all the baloney from the Obama campaign. The moderator, once or twice, tried entrapment, and Mitt smoothly went over his head. I think Obama was really sad he could not be Mighty Barry, King of Puttz and use his words "politicizing Libya" tonight.

I keep forgetting that Mitt Romney is so brilliant. He is disarming and humble, and he just lets things spin and then zaps quietly. He gets more like Reagan daily.

Good night, y'all. Tomorrow is two weeks until D-Day (Defeat Obama Day).

Sharpen you bayonets!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned, ready to get this done at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (baL2B)

143 I think Obama is out of gas and he’s out of ideas. I also think there is no way he wins the popular vote. Now, the electoral college, I’m not quite sure yet.....as OH continues to be a dick.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (IJOxR)

144 I can't keep up...I did do some politicking over the weekend, and tonight too...solidified resolve in my fellow Illinoisans. yes, the birthplace of Reagan, adopted home of Lincoln and retirement place of US Grant will not "go gently into that good night" some will stand against the democrat nazgul.

Posted by: TheThinMan at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (75Nf2)

145 135
If Romney sound like George W. bush 2 electric bugaloo the democrats would be howling about it.



Romney didn't do a whole lot today other than keep the debate about
the economy, which he wins decidedly. You can't talk about the
warmongering Romney when he agrees with the "peace loving" Obama.

Posted by: taylork at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (+nCTZ)

I think Obama saw that and started getting pissed. Kept trying to get Romney to talk about Libya.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (M1gmo)

146 >>>Posted by Restless at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (W3QFu)


Yup.

In short, Romney needed to win on the economy. And he has.

However, he only needs to appear credible on FP (an absolute requirement, by the way). He doesn't actually need to win here, just come close.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (u8eBQ)

147 Obama knows that if this is about the economy on election day. He loses big.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:29 AM (M1gmo)

148 Romney needs independents to break hard for him and that isn't happening. Wait, what? Most polls show him up by around 20 points with independents? Well that certainly is not enough.



I don't know about you guys but I'm not waiting until December 7th to get butt hurt. I'm heading to the glory hole to celebrate Chicago Jesus' victory tonight.

Posted by: Foobar at October 23, 2012 12:29 AM (/YJYi)

149 Photo of the day at The Chives military blog! Could you have planned that any better?

Posted by: Dick Hertz at October 23, 2012 12:29 AM (gkfSV)

150
In his eyes, being UN Secretary General will be equivalent to President of the World. I think Obama will see him reemerge as Secretary General of the UN.
Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (IJOxR)





JugEars is stupid enough to believe that UN SecGen is possible for him.....except for the understanding within the UN that the SecGen will not come from one of the Security Council permanent members. I can see him getting all butthurt when his candidacy is nixed.

Besides, the position won't become available until 2016, assuming that SecGen Ban Ki-Moon serves out his complete 2nd term.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 23, 2012 12:29 AM (Rhie+)

151 Wow, the trolls are getting more and more shrill.

Wing nuts, you WILL LOSE. Cons!!!! Eleventy!!!!

Smells like panic...

Posted by: Log Cabin at October 23, 2012 12:30 AM (JV/H0)

152 115 "The fact that Florida could elect someone like Debbie Wasserman Schultz tells us everything we need to know about the state..."

I have a rule of thumb that's served me well in life: If it's coming out of Florida, ignore it:

The U football, Elian Gonzalez, Bush/Gore, Gianni Versace, Casey Anthony, the bath salts zombie, Trayvon Martin, Ricky Martin, the whole Backstreet/Britney/NSYNC wave, Creed . . .

Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:30 AM (B/yDO)

153 128
Three debate recap: B is for Barack, Big Bird, binders, bayonets and Byebye .



Enjoy Hawaii, Barry.

Posted by: parteagirl at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (J/MHD)

FIFY

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 12:30 AM (ovpNn)

154 as OH continues to be a dick.


****

big LOL

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:30 AM (piMMO)

155 seen on twitter... Unicorns are just horses with bayonets

http://twitter.com/MikeKMorrison/status/260595987855327233

Posted by: Dr. Slotkin at October 23, 2012 12:30 AM (1crPI)

156 136
The fact that Florida could elect someone like Debbie Wasserman Schultz tells us everything we need to know about the state...


****

You know, most of the state is not in the Miami/Lauderdale area.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:27 AM (piMMO)

Sorry - I just can't stop poking at Florida.... even us Texans have some sections we're not too proud of...

Posted by: George W Beagle at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (JwW4z)

157 143
I think Obama is out of gas and he’s out of ideas. I also think there is
no way he wins the popular vote. Now, the electoral college, I’m not
quite sure yet.....as OH continues to be a dick.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:28 AM (IJOxR)

If he wins the popular vote, he wins the electoral college. There is a reason that has only happened FOUR times in our history.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (M1gmo)

158 150 JugEars is stupid enough to believe that UN SecGen is possible for him.....except for the understanding within the UN that the SecGen will not come from one of the Security Council permanent members.

Kenya is on the Security Council?

I kid, I kid.

Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (JVCVF)

159 Just remembered: Romney went after Obamacare and Obama never defended it.

No successes to point to beyond "I kilt OBL."

Whut a loser.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (imtbm)

160 Three debate recap: B is for Barack, Big Bird, binders, bayonets and Byebye .

Bears. Beats. Battlestar Galactica.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (q5NFp)

161 The levels of denial prevalent on this blog are quite amazing!

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (XfJWN)

162 >>>He gets more like Reagan daily.

You know, listening to him, I kind of had that feeling, even his voice tone and cadence.

A few random observations about Romney in no particular order.

1. He chose a smart, ideological running mate and chose to make the election one of IDEAS not just politics. So win, lose, or draw, he presented a very real choice to the American people. This is Reagenesque.

2. He has explicitly embraced a Reaganesque foreign policy.

3. Good cheer and optimism.

'Nuff said.

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (u8eBQ)

163 They didn't show the back half of that mule or as muleteers call it 'the Biden end'.

Posted by: Dick Hertz at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (gkfSV)

164 I don't know about you guys but I'm not waiting
until December 7th to get butt hurt. I'm heading to the glory hole to
celebrate Chicago Jesus' victory tonight.


Posted by: Foobar at October 23, 2012 12:29 AM (/YJYi)
Why wait?Become an ambassador in the Obama Administration....be butt hurt in benghazi.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 12:32 AM (ovpNn)

165
Zero explaining how the military had changed to Romney reminded me of the brilliant military minds who decided cannons were obsolete on fighter planes.

Posted by: maddogg at October 23, 2012 12:32 AM (w2iaX)

166 I really don't get what you "conservatives" are complaining about.

Posted by: Foobar at October 23, 2012 12:32 AM (b6qQk)

167 "141 Zombie, I like the fat woman with the "nudity is not a crime" sign on her ass. I would say she rather neatly proves otherwise.
Posted by: maddogg "

Then we have to get into the subtle distinctions between a legal crime and a moral crime.

If we are are made in God's image, then flab like that is a crime against God.

Posted by: zombie at October 23, 2012 12:32 AM (+cx5n)

168 Sarah Palin says Obama lied his ass off ...

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html

Warning, boobehs could cause erection lasting more than four hours.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:32 AM (wwsoB)

169 Three Four debate recap: Big Bird, Biden, binders, bayonets.



****

FIFY

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:33 AM (piMMO)

170 Hate to say it but Romney was intimidated into keeping quiet on Libya. I'm not happy about it. That's what they did with Roberts to turn him... they know it works. I was hoping he'd come out stronger. He can't be afraid of them this next four years. He can't.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:33 AM (6JMZR)

171 You know ... it just hit me. Obama has never worked a minimum-wage job ever. Not in high school, not to make money for Christmas presents when his company closed. He's probably never used a dust mop nor bleached out a butcher's cutting board. This pampered prissy brat really has no idea what most people have been through. Liberal privilege I suppose.

Posted by: calbadger at October 23, 2012 12:33 AM (sa0TR)

172 >>He gets more like Reagan daily.

Actually he gets more like Romney every day.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 12:34 AM (TMB3S)

173 170
Hate to say it but Romney was intimidated into keeping quiet on Libya.
I'm not happy about it. That's what they did with Roberts to turn him...
they know it works. I was hoping he'd come out stronger. He can't be
afraid of them this next four years. He can't.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:33 AM (6JMZR)


I don't think so....























Name: *

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:34 AM (9+ccr)

174 95 tasker: That's just a "yes-no," not a preference/comparison. Is the man qualified to do the job?

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 23, 2012 12:21 AM (vouch)

_______________

Thanks. I haven't seen anything asked and or reported like that in awhile.

Posted by: tasker at October 23, 2012 12:34 AM (r2PLg)

175 I will carry the ring, fuck these cork-smokers. One of my favorite things to do is the "Eastwood" I'll pretend I'm on the phone with the brother in-law and I will make sure that everyone knows a reason or 3 why my BIL can't vote democrat this time....it's fun, kinda like acting...

Posted by: TheThinMan at October 23, 2012 12:35 AM (aqSLg)

176 Well, it wasn't McCain. Thank you, Jesus! And Mitt held up his end of the deal, against bad odds, very well. Now, if we can just tug the voters off of the couch, out of the bars, away from hanging onto their phony baloney-under utilized jobs on that voting day, everything will be as it should. Landslide!
Firemen, get ready.

Posted by: and irresolute at October 23, 2012 12:35 AM (DBH1h)

177
I really don't get what you "conservatives" are complaining about.Posted by: Foobar


Puddles, again, Dec. 7th?


Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 23, 2012 12:35 AM (DKxu1)

178 Sorry - I just can't stop poking at Florida.... even us Texans have some sections we're not too proud of...


*****

Well, admittedly, there's an AWFUL lot to poke fun about.

I occasionally do a "which of these odd things occurred in Florida?" thing and, usually, it's all three.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:35 AM (piMMO)

179 Donna Donna Donna. I think you will be drinking a lot of liquor come election night when the vote totals are coming in. Look forward to it.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:35 AM (XfJWN)

180 I really don't get what you "conservatives" are complaining about.

We're not complaining. We're winning. Try and keep up.

By February, we can start putting the nightmare of this anti-American third-world halfwit thug behind us. You might need to acquire some actual employable skills, though. We plan on gassing the parasites.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:36 AM (q5NFp)

181 I had to work tonight, so I watched (as best I could) on YouTube in the office. The scrolling comments were amazing. Easily 5 to 1 in favor of Bambi, but so unbelievably stupid. Unbelievably stupid.

Posted by: Scobface at October 23, 2012 12:36 AM (IoNBC)

182 I was 23 in 1980 and at this time Reagan was considered to be better for the economy, but a lot of independents were worried about him getting us into WW III due to MSM scare stories. Carter was considered better for foreign policy

The economy sucked so badly that people figured getting nuked was better than 4 more years of Jimmah's economy

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:36 AM (wwsoB)

183 170 Hate to say it but Romney was intimidated into keeping quiet on Libya. I'm not happy about it. That's what they did with Roberts to turn him... they know it works. I was hoping he'd come out stronger. He can't be afraid of them this next four years. He can't.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:33 AM (6JMZR)

he's not afraid of them. He knows that trying to land some lame Perry Mason moment on Obama wouldn't work at all. He needs to basically ignore Obama, talk directly to the people. He did that. And he'll win the election.

Posted by: Dr. Slotkin at October 23, 2012 12:36 AM (1crPI)

184 Hate to say it but Romney was intimidated into keeping quiet on Libya.
I'm not happy about it. That's what they did with Roberts to turn him...
they know it works. I was hoping he'd come out stronger. He can't be
afraid of them this next four years. He can't.


****

No.

It was strategy, plain and simple.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:37 AM (piMMO)

185
First debate: Big Bird
Second debate: Binders
Third debate: Bayonettes.
Apparently, Obama was aiming for a solid B+

Posted by: Boone at October 23, 2012 12:37 AM (tIyK2)

186 Assuming we can bring back a real American government. I got the next generation here (my grandson) playing with a 1970 Buick GS toy car. This little guy at 2 has more balls than obama and he's gonna keep em.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 12:37 AM (DbhrR)

187 Romney up in Gallup by 6 points? Bad news for Romney! Romney leading or in a virtual tie in almost all of the swing states? Bad news for Romney! Independents breaking for Romney in the relatively high double digits? Bad news for Romney! Obviously! lolololol

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:37 AM (/YJYi)

188 Four years ago, I downed a bottle of vodka out of sheer depression of the thought of an Obama presidency. This year, I will drink champagne! And Val-U-Right shots of course!!!! How sweet it will be to celebrate a Romney win in O's home town.

Posted by: Sassy at October 23, 2012 12:37 AM (detCI)

189 179
Donna Donna Donna. I think you will be drinking a lot of liquor come
election night when the vote totals are coming in. Look forward to it.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:35 AM (Xf



Really... I think that will be you... if you can steal it from your parents liqueur cabinet...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (9+ccr)

190 What's the deal with the saturation of trolls here all of a sudden....????

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (IJOxR)

191
He was clearly going after the folks turning the fucking dials.
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee at October 23, 2012 12:26 AM (u8eBQ)

I'll talk all about Libya if I can have a night with Michelle Malkin

Posted by: Avi at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (51xVX)

192 Dennis Miller warned Ohio today that no one will by G M cars if the state goes to Obama.

Posted by: elliot m at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (zPich)

193 Breaking: Obama campaign released new campaign poster:

http://bit.ly/TP157s

Posted by: Chris R at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (qP4e9)

194 Actually he gets more like Romney every day.


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I like this take.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (piMMO)

195 >>We're not complaining. We're winning. Try and keep up.

Sure you are. None of you "True Conservatives" wanted Romney.

You're not winning. We RINOs are.

You're just coming along for the ride.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (TMB3S)

196 @187 Right back at ya.

Obama wins debate?! Romney wins the war! lolll

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:39 AM (XfJWN)

197 Romney isn't a strong conservative on several issues, folks. We knew that when we nominated him, regardless of how the libs want to portray him. He's a decent man, he's not Obama, and he's competent.

I'll take that.

Plus, a GOP House and possibly a GOP senate (with conservative leadership) can pull him to the right.

Time to hit the sack.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 23, 2012 12:39 AM (vouc9)

198 @189

Donna, of course we 'rons and 'ettes will be drinking
we'll be celebrating!

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 12:39 AM (uLTng)

199 193
Breaking: Obama campaign released new campaign poster:



http://bit.ly/TP157s

Posted by: Chris R at October 23, 2012 12:38 AM (qP4e9)


Posted by: George W Beagle at October 23, 2012 12:39 AM (JwW4z)

200 Man, am I glad that Hannity replaced that guy that looked like us, the scary looking-sharp eyed guy with the 1K yard stare, with the relatively pretty girl. Whew! I was afraid that children would be having nightmares if they left that dude standing behind him. lol!

Posted by: and irresolute at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (DBH1h)

201 So, you neocons are still going with losing polls as a good thing.

Obama locked up his 2nd term tonight.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (rpZo5)

202 I hope you guys are right. But their intimidation does work, I do believe that's what happened to that bitch eight dimensional 3D chess Roberts. These assholes laid the groundwork for a week about "politicization". The fuckers who politicize EVERYTHING.

I didn't say I thought Romney lost the debate. Just that I wanted a message that he won't be cowed by them and I didn't get that.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (6JMZR)

203 168 Sarah Palin says Obama lied his ass off ...

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html

Warning, boobehs could cause erection lasting more than four hours.

You got that right.

Posted by: Whoever this is, it's definitely not Michael at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (JVCVF)

204 @ Nick

Sorry to say. While there is a possibility Romney wins. The likelihood of a Repub senate is pretty low.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (XfJWN)

205 ______________________________

Tonight, Romney masterfully generated a fresh and indelible image of an optimistic president leading America into a brighter, safer, more prosperous future.

It's an image that will continue to impress the minds of voters as election day draws near.

The wishy-washy undecideds will begin secretly warming to the idea of voting for Mitt Romney.
The cautiously lukewarm supporters of Romney will become outright vocal supporters.
Solid Romney supporters will give even more money than they thought they would originally allow themselves. (I know I already have.)

Soft-supporters of Obama will continue to lose interest in this election. It just won't seem all that important to them. They'll tell themselves it's a rigged game or that all politicians are crooks or that it doesn't really matter who's in charge - they're all about the same anyway. Whatever it takes to excuse themselves from participating in a pointless activity.

Most of these soft Obama supporters will not likely be convinced to flip and vote for Romney. But subconsciously they'll feel vaguely intimidated by the notion of voting against the obviously stronger performer, Romney.
When you're only nominally supportive in the first place, it becomes difficult to invest effort (a vote) against the obvious winner. What's the point?

Moreover, some soft Obama supporters will even develop an ill at ease feeling that they literally shouldn't vote against Romney. That it would be wrong. Again, on a subconscious level, many soft Obama supporters will suspect that Romney is just plainly more competent than Obama. With the vital issues of economy and national security being of ultimate importance: many soft Obama supporters will not be able to bring themselves to vote against what looks like a clearly better course. More than just feeling a bit stupid, they would feel like they might somehow be damaging something.

Why else do you think Team Obama has virtually given up on winning undecideds and moderates and reverted to solely ginning up the base. - Because that's the only strategy that has a prayer of keeping their soft support from bleeding out and staying home on election day. If that happens, Romney won't just win handily or even just win big.

He'll crush Obama in a Reaganesque Landslide.




Posted by: _Dave_ at October 23, 2012 12:41 AM (J+Q+d)

206 152
115 "The fact that Florida could elect someone like Debbie Wasserman
Schultz tells us everything we need to know about the state..."

I have a rule of thumb that's served me well in life: If it's coming out of Florida, ignore it:

The
U football, Elian Gonzalez, Bush/Gore, Gianni Versace, Casey Anthony,
the bath salts zombie, Trayvon Martin, Ricky Martin, the whole
Backstreet/Britney/NSYNC wave, Creed . . .


Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:30 AM

I live in FL and lived in CA for 15 years. CA is still the Land of Fruits and Nuts, and Floridians don't keep voting in the same dickheads who turned a paradise into another shithole


Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:41 AM (wwsoB)

207 When Obama is with other heads of state does he act as he did tonight? Like a petulant 16-year-old? Or does he just bare his neck?

Posted by: elliot m at October 23, 2012 12:42 AM (zPich)

208 I'm starting to ask myself, did the trolls even watch the debate? Or where they too busy sitting on huffpo and dailykos getting their troll pointers sorted out?

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 12:42 AM (AREf/)

209 The debate made more people likely to vote for Romney than for Obama? Bad news for Romney!

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:42 AM (/YJYi)

210 You're not winning. We RINOs are.>>

Well in my dreams Romney is running as the RINO Manchurian Candidate. that once he has power will turn right. Run RINO to win lead right to live.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 12:43 AM (DbhrR)

211 Okay now I get that this is a preference question but to me it seems to be saying something weird about the American electorate--

On the question of who was qualified to be Commander in Chief: 60% said Romney was.

63% said Obama was.


It's the overlap I guess.

We're no longer a 50-50 nation in this area?

Posted by: tasker at October 23, 2012 12:43 AM (r2PLg)

212 who needs viagra when you have the Korea Airlines commercial

Posted by: Avi at October 23, 2012 12:43 AM (51xVX)

213 I like games of battleship, BO! But we need new subs! Several of them, like maybe 12-15 big ones. Come on Mitt, clarify your Navy statements!

Posted by: and irresolute at October 23, 2012 12:43 AM (DBH1h)

214 Ride me, Greg....all the cool kids are doing it.

Posted by: Preference Cascade at October 23, 2012 12:43 AM (9ND2c)

215 202
I hope you guys are right. But their intimidation does work, I do
believe that's what happened to that bitch eight dimensional 3D chess
Roberts. These assholes laid the groundwork for a week about
"politicization". The fuckers who politicize EVERYTHING.



I didn't say I thought Romney lost the debate. Just that I wanted a
message that he won't be cowed by them and I didn't get that.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (6JMZR)

Romney wins by not lowering himself to Obama's level. You see Mitt's favorable's going up? Obama uses his favorability to attack Romney. People don't like that shit. Romney played it safe and STILL tied Obama on FP and kicked his ass on the economy.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (M1gmo)

216 Let’s destroy Iran by giving them ObamaCare.

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) October 23, 2012

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (IJOxR)

217 The debate made more people likely to vote for Romney than for Obama? Bad news for Romney!


****

WTH?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (piMMO)

218 Was at a buddy's 50th bday this weekend and his 92 year old father in law was there. Hadn't seen him in a few months so I walked over to him and announced in a loud voice that I'd be happy to take him to vote and throw TFG outta office. musta had 6 or 7 people come up and clap me on the shoulder. I told em about the preference cascade....

Posted by: TheThinMan at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (DlSi2)

219 Battleships win.

Posted by: Alfred Thayer Mahan at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (9ND2c)

220
Personally,
This topic will always stack for the incumbent president, even if that incumbent is a SCOAMF.....

That said, Obama squandered the opportunity- while he looked presidential (he damn well better, he HAS been for almost 4 years),
He did nothing but take cheap shots. Most inaccurately, and many fraudulent.
He played to his base. He catered to the MSNBC loons. He did nothing to curry favor, inspire, give hope, show promise, NOTHING.
I will readily concede he won tonight on points, but it is worse than last time-then, he actually shored up his base, brought some of the lefties back into the fold-he may well have lost the election tonight.

I hope I'm right, thank god and good riddance if so...

Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (4ABat)

221 Decisive win for Barack Obama tonight: 53-23 on nationally respected CBS poll.

Do try to continue spinning this as a win for yourselves, wingnuts.

Meanwhile, I will invest more in President Obama on Intrade. He is still great value at 61%.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (rpZo5)

222 I live in FL and lived in CA for 15 years. CA is
still the Land of Fruits and Nuts, and Floridians don't keep voting in
the same dickheads who turned a paradise into another shithole




Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:41 AM (wwsoB)

You're so right about CA - unfortunately, because it's a beautiful state. (My dad's family was from there - definitely some nuts...)

Posted by: George W Beagle at October 23, 2012 12:45 AM (JwW4z)

223 @217

he's mocking greg the troll

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 12:45 AM (uLTng)

224 heh. greg is still floating in the bowl. thought someone would have flushed it by now.

Posted by: sifty at October 23, 2012 12:45 AM (p39GY)

225 Anyone think that all these trolls are actually the husky ponytailed guy and his minions?

Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 12:45 AM (M/TDA)

226 Sorry to say. While there is a possibility Romney wins. The likelihood of a Repub senate is pretty low.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (XfJWN)

Yeah Republicans only need three seats to get to 50. If Romney wins at 51-52%, he takes the Senate.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:45 AM (M1gmo)

227 Sorry to say. While there is a possibility Romney wins. The likelihood of a Repub senate is pretty low.

Sorry, what was that? I can't hear you while you're running away with those goalposts, chickenshit bitch.

Not only does Romney win, but he'll win by enough to carry an albatross like Akin over the line. Say goodbye to Senate Majority Leader Pederast Cryptkeeper, gerg.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:45 AM (q5NFp)

228
CA is still the Land of Fruits and Nuts, and Floridians don't keep voting in the same dickheads who turned a paradise into another shithole

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:41 AM (wwsoB)


Right on the money! That's one of the reasons I left CA to move back to WA State, although it seems as though the same shit happens here. At least I live on the somewhat more conservative side of the Mts.

Posted by: Theresa 4 Romney/Ryan at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (FDErx)

229 @171. He's got white guilt and black angst.

Posted by: California red at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (DXTKe)

230 I didn't say I thought Romney lost the debate. Just that I wanted a message that he won't be cowed by them and I didn't get that.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:40 AM (6JMZR)

He wasn't cowed. He just didn't go small going after Obama. He simply rose above Obama, spoke to the American people as their next president.

As far as you being super worried that Romney is the same as John Roberts... there's really no way to tell what will happen in the future. Most likely Romney will be the most conservative president we've had in decades. Is it possible that he'll totally puss out? I suppose, anything is possible. But let's not write him off as John Roberts II quite yet. At least let him be President for a month first.

Posted by: Dr. Slotkin at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (1crPI)

231 Obama has to win! Axelrod promised me that if Obama wins he would get me out of my current contract at the glory hole and make me his personal fluffer! He would even give me a pay raise to $2.00 an hour!

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (/YJYi)

232 >>Well in my dreams Romney is running as the RINO Manchurian Candidate. that once he has power will turn right. Run RINO to win lead right to live.

In reality, Romney is more conservative by today's standards than Reagan was in his dreams.

Watch and see.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (TMB3S)

233 Buzzsaw, Romney is indeed the dude playing a dude disguised as another dude. And that's alright, 'cause that's okay.

Does anyone know the real Greg's hash?

... *Is* there a "real Greg?"

Posted by: Knemon at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (E/PdK)

234 Decisive win for Barack Obama tonight: 53-23 on nationally respected CBS poll.

Do try to continue spinning this as a win for yourselves, wingnuts.

Meanwhile, I will invest more in President Obama on Intrade. He is still great value at 61%.

****

Fine, Gerg.

Obama won this debate.

So fucking what?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (piMMO)

235 Water-boarding got Bin Ladin,
Bush Vindicated.

Posted by: Waterboarding at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (g6lWQ)

236 No mommy, not the toy again!!!!!!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:46 AM (6JMZR)

237 Barack H Obama: the only guy who can be President for four years and still not be qualified to be President. Can someone find him an easier internship, please?

Posted by: t-bird at October 23, 2012 12:47 AM (FcR7P)

238 So greg, a 53-23 poll, eh?

mind providing a link to that fairy tale?

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 12:47 AM (uLTng)

239

Man, there is going to be a TON of conservative butthurt on Dec 7th.
.
Posted by: Foobar at October 23, 2012 12:14 AM (c7Zr5)


Likely. We still remember Pearl Harbor and mourn for those murdered in a cowardly attack.

Posted by: Weirddave at October 23, 2012 12:47 AM (74T7W)

240 Romney disagreed when he needed to, there's no point in disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Plus, I don't think he wanted to come off as petty, just stay above the fray and portray leadership qualities. No one's hiring Malkin or Beck to run their campaign, they're just always looking to "score points."

Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 23, 2012 12:47 AM (sCI7M)

241 Meanwhile, I will invest more in President Obama on Intrade. He is still great value at 61%.
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:44 AM (rpZo5)
***
Brushing off that foreign based credit card, huh?

Posted by: Dr. Slotkin at October 23, 2012 12:48 AM (1crPI)

242 Obama was leading nationally before this debate. He carries a strong 5 point lead in Ohio, larger than his landslide victory in '08. His win tonight only confirms the obvious.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:48 AM (rpZo5)

243 240
Romney disagreed when he needed to, there's no point in disagreeing for
the sake of disagreeing. Plus, I don't think he wanted to come off as
petty, just stay above the fray and portray leadership qualities. No
one's hiring Malkin or Beck to run their campaign, they're just always
looking to "score points."


Posted by: Uncle Milty at October 23, 2012 12:47 AM (sCI7M)

Beck needs to shut the hell up with his weepy holier than thou bullshit.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:48 AM (M1gmo)

244 "On the question of who was qualified to be Commander in Chief: 60% said Romney was.
"

Qualified, not "more qualified" - hence above 100.

Posted by: JB at October 23, 2012 12:48 AM (xVcWj)

245 About an hour 25 in, "this Nation, me!!!!"
unbelievable, his ego knows nooooo bounds.

@8 I remember the last election, I joked with others that I thought they were going to make us wear armbands because we were the unholy (read not Obamaphiles)

Posted by: blb at October 23, 2012 12:49 AM (4gjb7)

246 I thought Obama was masterful tonight.

*squawk* America would be foolish to no re-elect him.

Posted by: Hugo Chavez and Shoulder Parrot at October 23, 2012 12:49 AM (LbMUg)

247 Link, greg

you know what a link is, don't you?

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (uLTng)

248 Not writing Romney off, just looking for signs. I think his strategy is fine, and actually liked - at the time when many others were bitching - that he ran as Generic Republican up until the last possible minute (first debate). Very smart. People like GR.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (6JMZR)

249 227
Sorry to say. While there is a possibility Romney wins. The likelihood of a Repub senate is pretty low.



Sorry, what was that? I can't hear you while you're running away with those goalposts, chickenshit bitch.



Not only does Romney win, but he'll win by enough to carry an
albatross like Akin over the line. Say goodbye to Senate Majority
Leader Pederast Cryptkeeper, gerg.


crazy crazy funny!

Posted by: elliot m at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (zPich)

250 "Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you
went to the Middle East and you flew to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to
Turkey and Iraq. And by the way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend
in the region, but you went to the other nations.

And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel. And then in
those nations, and on Arabic TV, you said that America had been
dismissive and derisive. You said that on occasion America had dictated
to other nations.

Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations. We have freed other nations from dictators."
Mitt Romney to Barack Hussein Obama - October 22, 2012
The rest shall be history


Posted by: Steven W. at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (tC0ou)

251 Even PPP is finding independents up huge with Romney now.

It's not surprising. Romney won this with debate #1. But undecideds like to wait through all debates to see if the guy they want will step on his dick.

Well, Romney didn't. So that's it. No more unplanned political theater. It's just ads and stump speeches. Maybe Allred will reveal that Mitt eats babies or Trump will show us that Obama was an official member of the CPUSA, but the undecideds who were leaning Romney will go hard for him now. They've also been reassured by media who has been doing the one thing that Obama didn't want -- they took Mitt seriously as a candidate.

There is only one more planned event before the election: UE numbers are released on Nov. 5. If they go down without mitigating factors like people dropping out of the labor force, it will be worse for Obama because there will be calls of fraud. If it goes up, it will be the nail in his coffin.

There is really nothing good that can happen for Obama except for an October surprise. The Dems are going to get very weird from here on out.


Posted by: AmishDude at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (xSegX)

252 RCP has Obama up 1.9% in Ohio. I'll just round that up to a "commanding" 5 point lead.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (/YJYi)

253 mmmph mmmph mmmph

Posted by: gerg gerg gerg sucking cock cock cock at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (d/5qf)

254 Why is it so hard to understand that Ohio is lost to Romney? lol.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:51 AM (XfJWN)

255 248
Not writing Romney off, just looking for signs. I think his strategy is
fine, and actually liked - at the time when many others were bitching -
that he ran as Generic Republican up until the last possible minute
(first debate). Very smart. People like GR.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:50 AM (6JMZR)

Remember when everyone was asking Generic Republican to run or to have one of our guys change their name to Generic Republican? LOL, good times.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:51 AM (M1gmo)

256 ......................

(translation: Comrades, you need to keep our brother Barry as President)

Posted by: Braindead Fidel Castro at October 23, 2012 12:51 AM (LbMUg)

257 Obama was leading nationally before this debate. He carries a strong 5 point lead in Ohio, larger than his landslide victory in '08. His win tonight only confirms the obvious.

What's obvious is that there is not a single state, not a single county, not a single township, not a single four-way intersection where Obama's share of the vote is going to equal much less exceed his totals from 2008.

Four years of unrelenting, grinding misery, failure, incompetence, and corruption on every front has a strange negative correlation with your public popularity.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:51 AM (q5NFp)

258 206 I agree re: California, but I've been ignoring stuff coming out of there since the 1960s.

We did get Reagan, though.

Maybe President Rubio in 2020 or 2024 will provide the counterbalance

Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:52 AM (B/yDO)

259 Rasmussen has Obama up 1 in Ohio, but I'll round that up to 5.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (/YJYi)

260 Gerg reminds me of the brick wall tards i work with.

Gave them a simple question today..was there a protest in Benghazi on Sept. 11?

I gave up after a couple of minutes. Stupidity is a great shield.

Posted by: RWC at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (t+Sdx)

261 If he wins the popular vote, he wins the electoral college. There is a reason that has only happened FOUR times in our history.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:31 AM (M1gmo)
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Again it happened in 2000. I am NOT saying it's likely, I am saying it's a possibility. Especially considering how much of a dick OH is proving to be.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (IJOxR)

262 Am I in a different dimension from Luntz's Dunces and everyone else who thought the "bayonettes and horses" lines was so totally kickass with win sauce? I thought he looked like a snipey, obnoxious douche.

But they, apparently, were watching from the Bird of Prey that dropped off Worf.

Posted by: Filly at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (247Qj)

263 "254
Why is it so hard to understand that Ohio is lost to Romney? lol.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:51 AM (XfJWN) "

because obama is only up 1 or 2 in ohio, and trending down

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (uLTng)

264 http://tinyurl.com/romneylosesbig

The question is how much President Obama's remarkable 30 point win tonight will boost him up the polls. I notice that polls have been ignoring Missouri. That may be in play now.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:54 AM (rpZo5)

265 Why is it so hard to understand that Ohio is lost to Romney? lol.

Why don't you scrounge some change from the underpass, buy a bus ticket, and take a little tour through the overwhelmingly Democrat suburbs of Cuyahoga County? For some reason, tons of voters there have started spelling Obama's name as "R-O-M-N-E-Y" on their yard signs.

Stupid Democrats.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:54 AM (q5NFp)

266
I have tried to be very fair in judging who won each debate. I actually thought Obama won the 2nd. Romney won this one, though. I have no doubt.

It looked like an intelligent conversation between our future president and Bob Schieffer, with some dumbo eared guy jumping in with interruptions once in a while.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at October 23, 2012 12:54 AM (MNWe/)

267 im not sure what debate some of you were watching. as far as debating goes, both of them were making stump speeches weve all heard a dozen times before.

the debate steered away from foreign policy and on to the economy where we all know romney is far ahead in that column.

obama's silliness with the battleship joke may have restored some hope with his voter base, but if this is the kind of thing that sways you towards him, well i think youre a fool. not much else about that.

both men stammered and stuttered so all of that tripe is pretty much moot.

schiffer's unbelievably stupid hypothesis was undone by romney with ease, and romney dismantled obama again quite handily on the economy.

advantage romney in my eyes. i wont go so far to say he's going to win, but he came off good in this round and thats all he needed.

the polls being taken are just funny to read, CBS? lmao cnn polls? gee wonder who theyre gonna trump ....big shock there! but we still have idiots on here like greg crowning obama. guess we'll just have to wait and see in nov.

all in all, these polls are what we have to follow until then. and im sorry but if one poll is talking about how obama "won" the debate and then goes on to say "well, but for the most part the people in the poll think romney is better suited for the job" how in fucks name could anyone take that seriously?

a battleship joke....our president just sat there on TV and used a battleship insult....yeah, some leadership...

Posted by: laughing at neck braces at October 23, 2012 12:54 AM (nVqtU)

268
Gave them a simple question today..was there a protest in Benghazi on Sept. 11?



I gave up after a couple of minutes. Stupidity is a great shield.


Like these guys?

http://tinyurl.com/8nowuma

Posted by: chemjeff at October 23, 2012 12:54 AM (d/5qf)

269 Again it happened in 2000. I am NOT saying it's
likely, I am saying it's a possibility. Especially considering how much
of a dick OH is proving to be.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (IJOxR)

NOT the normal. Most elections throughout our history happen like the 2008 election. Seriously, the polarization we saw like in 2000 and 2004 simply does not happen. Most elections are big swings back and forth.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:54 AM (M1gmo)

270 *tears off shirt*

*shows tattoo of the Obama "Hope" poster on his chest*

Oops, what??? It doesn't say "hope" it says "dope"???... guess Hill-dawg isn't the only one with bad translators.

Posted by: Vlad Pooty Poot at October 23, 2012 12:55 AM (LbMUg)

271 JugEars is stupid enough to believe that UN SecGen is possible for him.....except for the understanding within the UN that the SecGen will not come from one of the Security Council permanent members. I can see him getting all butthurt when his candidacy is nixed.

Besides, the position won't become available until 2016, assuming that SecGen Ban Ki-Moon serves out his complete 2nd term.
IllTemperedCur at October 23, 2012 12:29 AM (Rhie+)

--------------------------------------------------

I'm sure the UN will find "a way" to accommodate the "One"

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:55 AM (IJOxR)

272 >>Not writing Romney off, just looking for signs. I think his strategy is fine, and actually liked - at the time when many others were bitching - that he ran as Generic Republican up until the last possible minute (first debate). Very smart. People like GR.

Dude, you're the Mega Independent. Do you not know how elections work?

Romney is winning and all he had to do tonight was to be Presidential. He passed.

My little brain is boggled at how many of you super politicos don't get how this game is played.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 12:55 AM (TMB3S)

273 I thought Tagg looked pretty steady tonight on the stage after the debate. Wonder if Larry is re-thinking his bullshit challenge and getting a tingly leg, or what? Tagg looks like the kind of guy that might come in under your first punch and breakyer neck. Let's go Necro! http://tinyurl.com/8prhc4o... the pukes took down the version with the lyrics! kid you know you can't f* with this!

Posted by: and irresolute at October 23, 2012 12:55 AM (DBH1h)

274 170
Hate to say it but Romney was intimidated into keeping quiet on Libya.
I'm not happy about it. That's what they did with Roberts to turn him...
they know it works. I was hoping he'd come out stronger. He can't be
afraid of them this next four years. He can't.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:33 AM (6JMZR)

Romney avoided a trap on that.The administration strongarmed the CIA into stating that they told the president it was protest for 10 days or so.Romney avoided the bullshit.Let the press figure out what this new switcheroo is all about if they have the balls to go after it.At this point the Liar in chief is spinning so many different stories on it that the best thing to do is avoid it and let the stink stick with him.It was a very smart move on Romney's part.
Benghazi is played out at this point unless the press finally finds its inner investigative balls....assuming they will ever drop from their Obama loving vaginas.


Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 12:55 AM (ovpNn)

275
Remember when everyone was asking Generic Republican to run or to have one of our guys change their name to Generic Republican? LOL, good times.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:51 AM (M1gmo)


Mitt ain't dumb, that's for sure.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 12:55 AM (6JMZR)

276 Greg is becoming a parody of himself.

Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 12:55 AM (M/TDA)

277 262 Am I in a different dimension from Luntz's Dunces and everyone else who thought the "bayonettes and horses" lines was so totally kickass with win sauce? I thought he looked like a snipey, obnoxious douche.

________________

It's really bad --because Obama was making fun of--or refuting Romney's line about the Navy being reduced to the size it was in 1917.

Funny thing--that is almost a direct quote from the Panetta Letter--Obama's own Secretary of Defense.

Posted by: tasker at October 23, 2012 12:56 AM (r2PLg)

278 @Vjay LOL great anecdote there. I'm sure its very scientific!

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 12:56 AM (XfJWN)

279 Direct link to Sarah Palin's heaving bosom video on Hannity tonight

tinyurl.com/8wq6d4s

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:56 AM (wwsoB)

280 Obama ruined my dress!

Posted by: Monica Gerginsky at October 23, 2012 12:56 AM (XBxRP)

281 I guess Greg slept all day. Two Ohio polls today show a tie. 46-46 and 47-47. Incumbent stuck at those numbers loses. The Suffolk showed the 5% undecideds leaning towards Romney by a wide margin. Based on that post debate flash PPP poll, I'd say Suffolk would show 50-48 tomorrow in Ohio.

FORTY SEVEN doesn't cut it.

Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 23, 2012 12:56 AM (+uFux)

282 I was kind of hoping for Romney to take Obama to the woodshed for the retardation level of the lies we were fed about a YouTube video. I'm equally offended by the sheer retardation of the storyline as the untruth. I can elaborate more on that point but think about what the WH did logically for a moment.

In the aftermath, I don't think it hurts Romney that he didn't do so. I don't think doing so would have hurt him, but given the momentum and the timeframe until election day, why bother with giving Obama a chance to throw a preplanned response of zingers which the media can wet themselves over until election day? Why bring up an issue that you know your campaign will ultimately have to devote time and resources into fighting the media? Why bother?

Shorter analysis: I think Romney may have baited Obama into expecting fireworks, and then simply showed up showing he could be a serious Commander in Chief. Which is all he needed to do to maintain his current momentum.

Posted by: LP at October 23, 2012 12:56 AM (pR8WM)

283 Obama was leading nationally before this debate. He carries a strong 5
point lead in Ohio, larger than his landslide victory in '08. His win
tonight only confirms the obvious.



How far north of 300 EV is Romney looking at?

Posted by: fluffy at October 23, 2012 12:56 AM (z9HTb)

284 I just looked at the Politico Romney calendar.

Scheduled for Nevada, Colorado and Iowa over the next few days.

Unless you think this is because he's giving up on Ohio, if you're Democrat, it's hemlock time.

Posted by: JB at October 23, 2012 12:57 AM (xVcWj)

285 Alright I didn't watch it, what was the hypothesis that zombie Scheiffer proposed?

Posted by: Adam at October 23, 2012 12:57 AM (/YJYi)

286 Fear not, wingnuts. I'm sure Donald Trump's huge news will turn around the election!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:58 AM (rpZo5)

287 Via Breitbart

Mark Halperin: Romney Did Himself More Good Than Obama

http://tinyurl.com/9lusgsh

Damn, I wish AB were alive to see this, he'd be having a blast

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 12:58 AM (wwsoB)

288 LOL great anecdote there. I'm sure its very scientific!

It's infinitely more scientific than the CBS "flash poll" of 27 drooling Obamabots who got permission to stay up late tonight. You know, the one you keep stroking even as the Gallup poll that shows Romney crushing Obama is sticking out of your ass.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (q5NFp)

289 So greg, a 53-23 poll, eh?

mind providing a link to that fairy tale?


*****

It was a CBS poll, so....

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (piMMO)

290 I was kind of hoping for Romney to take Obama to the woodshed for the retardation level of the lies we were fed about a YouTube video.

Maybe he's just handing him more rope to be used in advertisements closer to the election.

Posted by: t-bird at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (FcR7P)

291 “Reductions would delay receipt of capability and drive up unit costs,” he tells lawmakers.

In an attachment to his letter, Panetta provides more details on what would happen to the military under this worst-case scenario.

If the sequestration cuts are applied over the next 10 years, a highly unlikely scenario given the upcoming election, they would result in the smallest ground force since 1940, the smallest fleet of ships since 1915, and the smallest tactical fighter force in the history of the Air Force, Panetta says.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/11/defense-panetta-letter-to-mccain-sequestration-111411w/

Posted by: tasker at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (r2PLg)

292 Fear not wingnuts, I'm sure on November 7th I'll still be getting reamed at the glory hole with tears in my eyes.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (/YJYi)

293 Romney is giving up on Ohio because he's behind. The only polls you neocons can find favorable for him are ties, at best. Always finding consolation in polls where you're behind... it's sad.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (rpZo5)

294 Photo of a modern American Soldier with a bayonet. Weird, I thought Obama said we didn't use these? pic.twitter.com/QlUJMVar

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (IJOxR)

295 You lose, wing nuts, because I say so! Cons! Idiots!
I will bathe in your blood in December... Er ... November!

You lose!
fap fap fap fap * sob * fap fap fappity fap

Posted by: Gerg at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (JV/H0)

296 293
Romney is giving up on Ohio because he's behind. The only polls you
neocons can find favorable for him are ties, at best. Always finding
consolation in polls where you're behind... it's sad.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM (rpZo5)

HA HA HA HA HA #LOLWinning

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:00 AM (M1gmo)

297 Romney avoided all the traps and ambushes Obama intended and attempted to set for him-- all the traps and ambushes Obama doubtless practiced in debate prep. You don't think Obama's team had concocted something different but akin to the Crowley/transcript set-up in the previous debate? Obama had probably prepared foreign policy land mines for Romney all over the place. And Schieffer would've aided and abetted him.

Romney foiled him. Obama was pissed because Romney didn't take the bait.

You might call it "playing it safe," I call it making Obama eat shit.

Posted by: lael at October 23, 2012 01:00 AM (solTu)

298 NC is gone for Obama. That's 15 EV's.

"Obama Super PAC Adviser: Obama Has Given Up On North Carolina"

This was Paul Begala talking to Wolf Blitzer.

"Yes," Begala says when asked by Wolf Blitzer whether Obama's "given up on North Carolina."

Begala continues: "I'm not supposed to say that, Wolf, but I work for, as you mentioned, the pro-Obama super PAC, so I'm being paid to help reelect the president, but if you look at where he's going and where he's spending money--yes, it looks like Governor Romney is likely to carry North Carolina."

Posted by: virginia lake at October 23, 2012 01:00 AM (DiW+f)

299 Romney is winning and all he had to do tonight was to be Presidential. He passed.

I know. Bambi also lied and took every single popular position, so Romney had no choice but to "agree". He also hit him with the thunder a few times, especially on Israel, so no problem. I've been a Romney fan since around 2005, by the way.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at October 23, 2012 01:00 AM (6JMZR)

300 this is going to be a beautiful victory. The Great Lakes will run red, and we will frolic in the splattered brains and skull fragments of suicided MSNBC hosts.

As Frank Drebin said, 'I love it. I... love it.'

Posted by: NewBrunswicker at October 23, 2012 01:00 AM (XBxRP)

301 242
Obama was leading nationally before this debate. He carries a strong 5
point lead in Ohio, larger than his landslide victory in '08. His win
tonight only confirms the obvious.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:48 AM

Confirms the obvious that you should put the cap back on the glue after using it

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 01:00 AM (wwsoB)

302 Fear not, wingnuts. I'm sure Donald Trump's huge news will turn around the election!

Let's hope not. Remember, clownass, Romney is ahead. Everything else at this point is just to measure how quickly Soledad O'Brien overdoses on thorazine.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:01 AM (q5NFp)

303 300
this is going to be a beautiful victory. The Great Lakes will run red,
and we will frolic in the splattered brains and skull fragments of
suicided MSNBC hosts.



As Frank Drebin said, 'I love it. I... love it.'

Posted by: NewBrunswicker at October 23, 2012 01:00 AM (XBxRP)

DEMOCRACY DIED TONIGHT!! WHHHHAAAAAAA!!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:01 AM (M1gmo)

304 Don't pay attention to Obama sending surrogates to fucking Minnesota wingnuts! Or pulling out of Florida and North Carolina to focus on Ohio. Those are not the droids you're looking for.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:01 AM (/YJYi)

305 Replay beginning on Fox News right now.

Posted by: buzzion at October 23, 2012 01:02 AM (GULKT)

306 The only polls you neocons can find favorable for him are ties, at best

Yeah, what good are "ties" when you've only gained about 15 points in the past 30 days.

Game over, man. Game over.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:03 AM (q5NFp)

307 NC isn't a lock for Romney yet. Mr. Obama has been focusing on the black vote once again, and Mitt's racist comments tonight should rally the base.

Of course, Obama doesn't need NC. But it's wise to cover the margin of GOP theft.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:03 AM (rpZo5)

308 304
Don't pay attention to Obama sending surrogates to fucking Minnesota
wingnuts! Or pulling out of Florida and North Carolina to focus on Ohio.
Those are not the droids you're looking for.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:01 AM (/YJYi)

Or dropping Colorado. Seriously, Obama is just playing to keep it from a humiliating defeat now.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:03 AM (M1gmo)

309 Listen! Here that? That is the final death throes, the last screams of agony from a dying demographic: Republicans days as a viable political force are numbered.

All I can do is laugh.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:03 AM (XfJWN)

310 VJay: Everything else at this point is just to measure how quickly Soledad O'Brien overdoses on thorazine.

Hehe, well played.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 23, 2012 01:04 AM (jhI6f)

311 I think it's time again to list the Obama 2008 states currently lining up in Mitt's column....

Florida
North Carolina
Virginia
Indiana
Colorado

.....to be continued

Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 23, 2012 01:04 AM (+uFux)

312 307
NC isn't a lock for Romney yet. Mr. Obama has been focusing on the black
vote once again, and Mitt's racist comments tonight should rally the
base.

Of course, Obama doesn't need NC. But it's wise to cover the margin of GOP theft.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:03 AM (rpZo5)

Yep. Not a lock. Gallup is racist, brought the slaves over on the ships for Rasmussen to work the fields with. Romney owns the plantations.
We will steal the elections. Thank God for Diebold.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:05 AM (M1gmo)

313 What am I? What do I mean? Iraq's in Asia. Afghanistan's in Asia. China's in Asia. Syria's in Asia. Libya's not in Asia, though. I'm confused. I don't know what I am. Greg...help.

Posted by: Pivot To Asia at October 23, 2012 01:05 AM (9ND2c)

314
Are we up to four greg socks?

Posted by: YIKES! at October 23, 2012 01:05 AM (PlCer)

315 Listen! Hear that? That's the sound of me getting throat fucked! Oh I love it so.

Posted by: Greggums at October 23, 2012 01:05 AM (/YJYi)

316 lol now it will be a stolen victory

at least gargle is finally admitting romney will win

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:05 AM (uLTng)

317 NOT the normal. Most elections throughout our history happen like the 2008 election. Seriously, the polarization we saw like in 2000 and 2004 simply does not happen. Most elections are big swings back and forth.
Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 12:54 AM (M1gmo)
---------------------

True, I agree. HOWEVER, I truly believe if the election were held TODAY, that scenario I laid would come to fruition. I still think Romney ends up winning, if the current Mittmentum holds, but we can't get complacent. Truth is OH is what we need now to secure a Romney win, with the recent trend in CO, FL, VA, NC and NH. All Romney needs now is OH.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 01:05 AM (IJOxR)

318 I just Superglued my asshole shut.

I predict something's going to happen.

Posted by: Gergle at October 23, 2012 01:06 AM (IoNBC)

319 Just heard the clip "...we have these things called aircraft carriers, Governor. Planes land on them..."

Sounds like it's fresh in his mind. John Kerry must be a great teacher. The ABC network in Australia, by the way, is spinning this as a clear win for Obama.

Posted by: t-bird at October 23, 2012 01:06 AM (FcR7P)

320 David Axelrod promptly addressed the racial issues in the Gallup poll, and they have not fixed their issues yet. Hopefully, they resolve themselves and admit their failed attempt to suppress vote turnout.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:06 AM (rpZo5)

321 You're doomed! Dying out! Kaput!

Obama in a landslide and it will be my birthday... Um... I mean like Christmas and I will laugh and stroke myself!

Lol!

Posted by: Gerg at October 23, 2012 01:06 AM (JV/H0)

322 Gergy and his gaggle of monkeys remind me of the Japanese in WW2 who were constantly told that by empire-run radio that every battle was a glorious victory.

Glorious victories that keep getting closer and closer to Tokyo.

Obama surrendering key states where he's blown tens of millions in his warchest? Winning! Desperately rolling his goons and hacks into "sure lock" states as his firewall collapses around him? Winning! Former DNC Convention 2012 keynote speaker and current Professional Infertile Hooker Sandy Fluke holding a rally that doesn't fill in a parking space? Winning!

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:06 AM (q5NFp)

323 Have you seen that movie "The Human Centipede"? I would have loved to be the one in the middle!

Posted by: Greggums Gerggles at October 23, 2012 01:07 AM (/YJYi)

324 "Romney is giving up on Ohio because he's behind."

I'm sure the Romney campaign is totally scared of that one CBS/Quin. O+5 poll which has a D+9 sample.

If you model it reasonably it's a virtual tie.

And as the other states swing, so will Ohio.


Posted by: JB at October 23, 2012 01:07 AM (xVcWj)

325 Nothing changed after tonight. Go out and vote, bring your friends and family and get them to vote.

If we do our job as well as Romney has, we win in a walk.

Our turn. Stop yapping, start working.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 23, 2012 01:07 AM (TMB3S)

326 I do wonder sometimes, late-late at night, how we will pay for increased military spending .... SLAP! Oh, yeah, thanks man. I didn't mean to bring that up, but ahhh, would you hit me again, please, so that I can quit worrying about where that money is coming from. The communist must go, but I don't want to be living under a bridge in a cardboard box to pay for all of those new subs that I do indeed wish to have. Hey, it's not my job to worry about how to pay for offloading 70% of our retaliatory capability onto invisible boats! SLAP! ... ahh, thanks.

Posted by: and irresolute at October 23, 2012 01:07 AM (DBH1h)

327 And yes I believe PA is a tease, and fools gold. WI on the other hand is more doable. But I would still prefer if we just took OH.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 01:08 AM (IJOxR)

328 True, I agree. HOWEVER, I truly believe if the
election were held TODAY, that scenario I laid would come to fruition. I
still think Romney ends up winning, if the current Mittmentum holds,
but we can't get complacent. Truth is OH is what we need now to secure a
Romney win, with the recent trend in CO, FL, VA, NC and NH. All Romney
needs now is OH.

Posted by: Raquel at October 23, 2012 01:05 AM (IJOxR)

Again, no won has lost in the last century with likely voter Gallup polling showing them over 50% in October polling..
Ohio polling is wrong and artificially bumps democrats up to 2008 or greater margins to find either ties or Obama 1-5%.
Ohio will not be D+6 or above. Not happening.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:08 AM (M1gmo)

329 Omygawd- it's full of Gregs!!

Posted by: Dave Bowman's Sock Drawer at October 23, 2012 01:08 AM (jfWE9)

330 293
Romney is giving up on Ohio because he's behind. The only polls you
neocons can find favorable for him are ties, at best. Always finding
consolation in polls where you're behind... it's sad.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 12:59 AM

What's sad is that you still think it's 2008

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 01:08 AM (wwsoB)

331 NC isn't a lock for Romney yet. Mr. Obama has been focusing on the black
vote once again, and Mitt's racist comments tonight should rally the
base.

Of course, Obama doesn't need NC. But it's wise to cover the margin of GOP theft.



OK, you had us going, but that was over the top.


AJ or NCJ?

Posted by: fluffy at October 23, 2012 01:08 AM (z9HTb)

332 Romney is winning and all he had to do tonight was to be Presidential. He passed.

...be Presidential and be American, i.e., not say "Pok-e-ston".

Posted by: t-bird at October 23, 2012 01:08 AM (FcR7P)

333 From Panetta's letter to McCain re sequestration November 2011
"Rough estimates suggest after ten years of these cuts, we would have the smallest ground force since 1940, the smallest number of ships since 1915, and the smallest Air Force in its history."
http://tinyurl.com/8oe5dvm

Posted by: blb at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (4gjb7)

334 Guys, seriously, do you think EVERY poll purposely skews their vote sample? That's the only way you can think Romney wins Ohio, and effectively, the election.

http://tinyurl.com/8d3hr3e

Romney is pulling out of Ohio because it's a sunk cost. Fact.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (rpZo5)

335 1. Obama won the debate: 53/42

2. Who are you planning to vote for in the presidential election?

Barack Obama................................................ 51%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 45%

3. Who ya voting for Obama Romney
men: 47% 50%
women: 55% 41%

Wow, swing-state back, women back?

Yes we can.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (XfJWN)

336 Seriously, someone should find out where this Greg person is. We need to contact the local suicide prevention hotline in his area and let them know to be on alert somewhere around 4pm eastern time on Nov. 6.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (AREf/)

337 262
Am I in a different dimension from Luntz's Dunces and everyone else who
thought the "bayonettes and horses" lines was so totally kickass with
win sauce? I thought he looked like a snipey, obnoxious douche.

But they, apparently, were watching from the Bird of Prey that dropped off Worf.


Posted by: Filly at October 23, 2012 12:53 AM (247Qj)

Well, I'm in your universe - I thought it was condescending, snarky, and totally un-presidential, too. But then again, I never got the whole thing about Barky being so likeable and friendly, either - seems to be a complete jerk to me.

Posted by: George W Beagle at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (JwW4z)

338 Gerg! Get back here, your shift in the barrel isn't over yet

Posted by: David Axelpoofter at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (d/5qf)

339 Fools gold perhaps, but it was Obama who mentioned Pennsylvania first tonight. Just sayin.

Posted by: TD, one of the proud 53% at October 23, 2012 01:10 AM (+uFux)

340 I always knew Gerg had too much stoopid to be contained in one person.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 01:10 AM (aHR5E)

341 We ain't come to Ohio to play election

Posted by: BHO at October 23, 2012 01:11 AM (9ND2c)

342 320
David Axelrod promptly addressed the racial issues in the Gallup poll,
and they have not fixed their issues yet. Hopefully, they resolve
themselves and admit their failed attempt to suppress vote turnout.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:06 AM (rpZo5)

Well Gallup sure seems to be suppressing you guys pretty damn well. So Gallup should keep doing it. We are going to win anyways. We have the fraud edge and the voting machines. Why even bother voting? You guys fucked up in 2010 because now WE CONTROL THE MACHINES in the swing states. Remember OHIO? Yeah, we count the votes.
You lose. If it is close, WE WIN.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:11 AM (M1gmo)

343 White House Already Backpedaling On Obama Sequestration Comments.

Insty: http://goo.gl/zoYkm

Heh. Negotiation--how the fuck does it work?

Posted by: Scobface at October 23, 2012 01:11 AM (IoNBC)

344 Listen! Here that? That is the final death throes, the last screams of agony from a dying demographic: Republicans days as a viable political force are numbered.

Listen! Hear that? It's one of the biggest electoral massacres in American history, and it happened just two years ago.

If we "die" any faster, gerg, we'll have you in a gulag by Christmas.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:11 AM (q5NFp)

345 NWConservative, are you admitting to criminal activities and shenanigans by your party? Real classy, sir.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:12 AM (rpZo5)

346 re Obama as Sec. Gen. of the UN...

Does the UN elect the Sec. Gen. from UN Ambassadors? And if so, how does Obama become the US Ambassador to the UN during the Romney Administration and eventual Ryan Administration?

Posted by: greg's ashamed mother at October 23, 2012 01:13 AM (8/bPb)

347 334
Guys, seriously, do you think EVERY poll purposely skews their vote
sample? That's the only way you can think Romney wins Ohio, and
effectively, the election.

http://tinyurl.com/8d3hr3e

Romney is pulling out of Ohio because it's a sunk cost. Fact.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (rpZo5)

Polls are wrong stating that 2008 turnout will be repeated, when it was a historical high for Democrats and historical lows for Republicans. Will not happen this year. Especially with Mittmentum on our side and your guy sucking so bad at speaking.
Plus, we have racist Gallup on our side.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:13 AM (M1gmo)

348 Yes we can.Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:09 AM (XfJWN)Yes, indeed you can pathetically pretend it is 2008 and that people are still mesmorized by greek columns and well-creased slacks.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 23, 2012 01:13 AM (8cOY0)

349 I tried to get my dog to lick me wee but he snapped at it. Very close call.

Posted by: Greggum at October 23, 2012 01:14 AM (/YJYi)

350 345
NWConservative, are you admitting to criminal activities and shenanigans by your party? Real classy, sir.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:12 AM (rpZo5)

Yep. We have to leverage it out from the fraud from yours.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:14 AM (M1gmo)

351 Romney is pulling out of Ohio because it's a sunk cost. Fact.>>

Gergy. not that you would know but you pull out once the woman is satisfied and you want to give her a pearl necklace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3XojNonEU

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 01:14 AM (DbhrR)

352 Steiner's assault will bring it all under control

Posted by: Der Gerg at October 23, 2012 01:14 AM (wwsoB)

353
Greg, does Obama believe in equal protection under the law? If so, why did he hire Eric Holder?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 23, 2012 01:15 AM (8cOY0)

354 We're all Greg now.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:15 AM (M/TDA)

355 Hey! Did I say landslide? Lamb Chop says landslide too! http://tinyurl.com/297t4g

Posted by: and irresolute at October 23, 2012 01:15 AM (DBH1h)

356 Oh man. I CAN'T WAIT until November this year! Just to see Greg's tears running down his face after Mitt KILLS Obama in the election!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:15 AM (M1gmo)

357 Partisan breakdown? Never heard of such a thing.

Oversampling? Likewise.

Margin of... error? What?

I don't know what any of these things mean. All I know is Obama is really dreamy and I want to fellate him. Mr. Axelrod says someday. I hope it's soon.

Posted by: Gerg at October 23, 2012 01:15 AM (aHR5E)

358 Well, I'm in your universe - I thought it was condescending, snarky, and totally un-presidential, too. But then again, I never got the whole thing about Barky being so likeable and friendly, either - seems to be a complete jerk to me.

****

Rachel Maddow remarked in bemusement about how condescending he had been

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (piMMO)

359 Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest election ever 4 years ago?

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (rpZo5)

360 Greg, are you a twankversatile?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqO7vJGe0E

Posted by: ace at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (LCRYB)

361 Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:03 AM (rpZo5
.....

Is this the real Greg? Don't know whats parody and whats real.

Bottom line, sucks to be


Posted by: RWC at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (t+Sdx)

362 Ma, mama, we're all Gergy now...

Posted by: Gerg at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (aHR5E)

363 Gerg

Posted by: RWC at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (t+Sdx)

364 how does Obama become the US Ambassador to the UN during the Romney Administration

US Ambassador?! We'd have to outbid the Muslim Brotherhood to get him as our ambassador. I don't think he's worth it.

Posted by: t-bird at October 23, 2012 01:17 AM (FcR7P)

365 Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest election ever 4 years ago?
---

Ha. This one's a sock.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 01:17 AM (aHR5E)

366
359
Have you moonbats ever considered that voting for someone doesn't meanyou join their party like it's the Foreign fucking Legion?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 23, 2012 01:17 AM (8cOY0)

367 Greg doesn't like us

Posted by: links & cites at October 23, 2012 01:17 AM (9ND2c)

368 Gah, some of you really suck. He's a RINO when he doesn't agree with me 100% of the time.....Romney's giving up on Ohio.....Conservatives are going to be butthurt on Dec. 7....which makes no sense.

Greg, that guy from the ShamWow commercial called. He wants his annoying presense back. Isn't Fluke missing you right about now, also?

Posted by: Mo the Girl at October 23, 2012 01:18 AM (o/9Eb)

369 FACT: Greg is a twankversatile.

This gentleman has been realigned. He's gone from a twink to a twunk to a twank.

Posted by: ace at October 23, 2012 01:18 AM (LCRYB)

370 @359

now you're just not trying anymore

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:18 AM (uLTng)

371 "Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D
turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest
election ever 4 years ago?"

This isn't even good trolling. Try again.

Hint: where we all those "joiners" two years ago?

Posted by: JB at October 23, 2012 01:18 AM (xVcWj)

372 Is anyone saving Greg's remarks so we can all reread and savor them on election night? I truly enjoyed contemplating his "Walker is going to LOSE BIG!" predictions on the night of the recall.

Posted by: Donna V. at October 23, 2012 01:18 AM (7OHl8)

373 Rachel Maddow remarked in bemusement about how condescending he had been

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (piMMO)

Seriously?? I can't bring myself to watch anything on MSNBC...

Posted by: George W Beagle at October 23, 2012 01:18 AM (JwW4z)

374 77
Oh, but he did. He is 2 for 3.



Uh, dumbass, your boyfriend's last "victory" cost him another 2
points in the polls. You retards are going to "victory" yourselves into
a 40-state loss if you just work hard enough at it.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 12:19 AM (q5NFp)


I'd bet that if Obama decided to be sporting and offer Romney another extra debate next week to catch up, Romney would jump at the chance to try to redeem himself.

Posted by: cthulhu at October 23, 2012 01:18 AM (kaalw)

375 My pussy told me that Obama will win and even more important: the voices in my head were alsotold by their pussies that Obama will win. Suck on that wing-nutz!!111!!!!

Posted by: Gregina at October 23, 2012 01:19 AM (JtCos)

376 I don't think this is the real Greg. It's still fun to mock though.

Posted by: Adam at October 23, 2012 01:19 AM (/YJYi)

377 359 Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest election ever 4 years ago?
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (rpZo5)


They joined it to be part of history.

Now they see what the rest of us knew.

Good luck with voter turnout ya shit sipper.

Posted by: RWC at October 23, 2012 01:19 AM (t+Sdx)

378 359 is a sock.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 01:19 AM (aHR5E)

379 Wingnuts, see, you are poll deniers.

See what Nate Silver does. A brilliant intellect like his has weighting for polls. WEIGHTS. To filter out the bad for Obama and put in the good.

Binders. War on Women. Binders. Biden. Foreign Policy, erm Libya, um, Ira..., nevermind.

7.8% ATOMIC BOMB!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:19 AM (M1gmo)

380 It's clear that Mitt is going after WI and PA, too. Notice the reference in his anecdotal stories tonight to people from Appleton, WI and someone somewhere in PA.

Posted by: schmoopy at October 23, 2012 01:20 AM (vclSa)

381 Obama's in jeopardy, baby.

Posted by: Greg Kihn at October 23, 2012 01:20 AM (Ks4nX)

382 359
Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D
turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest
election ever 4 years ago?


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (rpZo5)
And then Promptly fled the party 2 years later...

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 01:20 AM (AREf/)

383 Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest election ever 4 years ago?

And they, what, went into hibernation in 2010? You know, that election where your party of gangsters got hilariously ass-raped?

Oh, and helluva theory, but Rasmussen's party affiliation poll has never before been more favorable to Republicans than it is now.

And did you ever consider, clownass, that the Tea Party -- you know, the most powerful and active political movement in the U.S. in decades if not centuries -- might have something to do with that?

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:20 AM (q5NFp)

384 And those wing nuts, I shall have my sweet, sweet revenge on them. I shall taste their jiz... Er... tears of sorrow. And I shall laugh at them. Not with an LOL, but with a hearty laugh.

Fap fap fap *Ohio* fap fap fap

Posted by: Gerg at October 23, 2012 01:21 AM (JV/H0)

385 Gerg, you're doing it all wrong. Remember, the squirrel of the week is "MITT ROMNEY'S TAX RETURNS".

Wait, we did that one already? Well okay then it's "WAR ON WOMEN!".

Wait...

Posted by: David Axelpoofter at October 23, 2012 01:21 AM (d/5qf)

386 Nate Silver isn't helping our case. He should let the polls speak for themselves, which shows Obama winning.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:21 AM (rpZo5)

387 In thinking of collecting lib tears. I'm thinking they will be plentiful enough to distill into salt for my Margaritas on election night now.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 01:21 AM (DbhrR)

388
359Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest election ever 4 years ago?
Have you ever thought working at Chili's WASN'T the career you thought your college tuition dollars would buy?

Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 23, 2012 01:22 AM (4ABat)

389 I think Romney will win votes after tonight. He has an agenda, and it's a good one. He even said the Islam word, and said what I wanted to hear--we need to support the good ones to get away from the radical ones.

Those Luntz people are annoying: if they are truly undecided at this point, it's a psychological tic, not a problem with not enough information.

And yes, Obama sounded like a teenage douche with the snarky jokes, like about the Navy, and the 80s called and wants your policy back, or whatever.

Best line: attacking me is not an agenda. That's what people will take with them into the voting booth.

Except for Luntz's Dunces, of course, who will forget when voting day is exactly.

Posted by: PJ at October 23, 2012 01:22 AM (DQHjw)

390 How sad. When I tell you the truth, i.e., that this election won't be a cakewalk for your savior, Romney, but more likely will result in his defeat, you all can only resort to personal insults.

Yup, sounds like neo-cons to me. Bring on the hate, I shall revel in it.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:23 AM (pX6k6)

391 I'm saving a few gems from this thread.
Warning Greg: You words can and will be used against you.

Posted by: Donna V. at October 23, 2012 01:24 AM (7OHl8)

392 So, is the real Greg posting at all anymore?

Posted by: RWC at October 23, 2012 01:24 AM (t+Sdx)

393 Neo-cons? There are no joooooooooooooooos here.

And you probably shouldn't talk about saviors. That's some serious projection.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 01:24 AM (aHR5E)

394 Obama's doing a belly-flop.

Posted by: Greg Louganis at October 23, 2012 01:24 AM (Ks4nX)

395 Yeah Gerg, only insults. And the actual poll numbers.

Posted by: Adam at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (/YJYi)

396 Greg, they don't hate you, they think you're a joke.

Posted by: greg's ashamed mother at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (8/bPb)

397 359
Have you wingnuts ever thought that these polls are assuming high D
turnout because many Americans joined the Democrat party in the largest
election ever 4 years ago?


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:16 AM (rpZo5)
Better get lots of milk cartons. They went missing 2 years ago

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (wwsoB)

398 Luntz's Dunces is such a sham by Fox News. Look at that uncivilized woman in the front row, the most obvious, ardent Romney supporter. Screaming and interrupting everyone.

Thankfully, the majority of women are the opposite of her, as you all know from the polls.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (rpZo5)

399 Yep. RCP shows Obama at +0.4%!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (M1gmo)

400 346
re Obama as Sec. Gen. of the UN...

Does the UN elect the Sec.
Gen. from UN Ambassadors? And if so, how does Obama become the US
Ambassador to the UN during the Romney Administration and eventual Ryan
Administration?


Posted by: greg's ashamed mother at October 23, 2012 01:13 AM (8/bPb)


Oh, no, I could totally see how this works -- the Nobel committee puts Obama up for SecGen, it's passed by acclimation, Romney puts Bolton in as UN Ambassador, and Boehner defunds the whole corrupt s***pile.

Posted by: cthulhu at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (kaalw)

401 you all can only resort to personal insults.
Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:23 AM (pX6k6)

That's absolutely untrue, smegmabreath.

Posted by: Scobface at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (IoNBC)

402 One last time, because its the last debate: Romney "wins" every debate regardless of how the pundits rule it or how he does objectively in terms of debating by simply not being what the Obama reelection team portrays him to be.

He wins simply by being likable, presidential, capable, and not a radical freak. He wins by being a guy people can say "yeah he's okay, I could vote for him."

That's the win for him. The usual rules for debate and all the analysis is irrelevant. He won all three debates the first night by doing that, and didn't blow it by getting snarky or angry later on.

It appears that President Obama has only two modes: campaign speeches and professor. When he's not in those two modes, he's floundering and confused and hesitant and uncertain. They pushed him away from professor mode, knowing that would annoy people to be lectured at (and he wouldn't have time anyway to do his patented 30 minute answer). All he had left was speech maker, so he just tried to recycle his speech lines over and over all three debates.

President Obama isn't being prepared wrong, he's just that limited. He's that incompetent, he's just up against what he can personally achieve. That's all he has, at the end of the day, he's just an empty chair.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (r4wIV)

403 BRING ON THE HATE!!11!!
I shall revel in it, like I revel in my menstruation!!111!!

Posted by: Gregina at October 23, 2012 01:26 AM (JtCos)

404 Why do leftards think... excuse me, feel that "neocon" is an insult? Yes, I realize they're stupid, but still.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 01:26 AM (aHR5E)

405 you all can only resort to personal insults.

You wound me, asshole.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:26 AM (q5NFp)

406 Pretty sure Greg is a Twink. You have to be more manly and have thought about switching back to the other team to become a Twank.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 01:26 AM (AREf/)

407 See I WEIGHTED the polls at RCP. It needs to say Obama +0.4% not Romney +0.4%!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:26 AM (M1gmo)

408 Greg,
What's a neo-con? You like to use that word. But I'm not sure itmeans what you think it means.

Posted by: Henry Jackson at October 23, 2012 01:26 AM (9ND2c)

409 Greggie, something tells me you won't be "revelling" on the night of Nov. 6.
You'll be curled up in a fetal position, thumb in your mouth, staring at all the faded Obama posters on your bedroom wall.
And then, you'll have to get a job. Terrifying, I know.

Posted by: Donna V. at October 23, 2012 01:27 AM (7OHl8)

410 Mitt's goal was to not step on his dick in any way, shape, or form.

He did so.

Inertia will do the rest.

President Romney, get used to it.

Posted by: eman at October 23, 2012 01:27 AM (+XD7n)

411 398
Luntz's Dunces is such a sham by Fox News. Look at that uncivilized
woman in the front row, the most obvious, ardent Romney supporter.
Screaming and interrupting everyone.

Thankfully, the majority of women are the opposite of her, as you all know from the polls.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:25 AM (rpZo5)

Yeah, especially THAT UNCLE TOM IN THE FRONT ROW! HOW DARE SHE SUPPORT ROMNEY!!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:27 AM (M1gmo)

412 I'm beginning to think Greg isn't in the clique.

Posted by: Scobface at October 23, 2012 01:28 AM (IoNBC)

413 Incidentally, party affiliation for both parties has been dropping for about 10 years now, it spiked briefly for the Democrats in 2008 then plunged radically after that. The last three years, Democrats have lost far more registered members than Republicans - and right now Republicans have more overall registered members.

How many of each will vote? We'll see, but I suspect the Democrats are not going to have a particularly great turnout... and not a few of them are going to cross over to Republican.

I doubt there's going to be more than a handful that will cross over from Republican to Democrat, if any.

The only reason the polls look this close is because they're statistically trash. Only 10% of the people contacted actually respond to polls; they're junk, they are utterly worthless.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 01:28 AM (r4wIV)

414 I revel in the hate. Bring it, Neo-cons.
Just like the big boys at school that used to dress me like a girly and do sex to my no-no area. They were all Cons, too.

And I shall be avenged on December 7th!

Posted by: Gerg at October 23, 2012 01:28 AM (JV/H0)

415 Whoa. Sock Greg is arguing with Other Sock Greg. That's what I call meta.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 01:28 AM (aHR5E)

416 this is the real Greg - (rpZo5)

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 01:28 AM (AREf/)

417 BTW, does it occur to Admiral Jugears that those Aegis cruise missiles so beloved by Clinton and other Dems are launched from destroyers and cruisers?

Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 01:28 AM (wwsoB)

418 @402...right.

Posted by: neocon at October 23, 2012 01:29 AM (9ND2c)

419 PPP National poll: Romney 49-47. Independents +9 Romney. D+6 sample.

Posted by: DOOM, Ed.D at October 23, 2012 01:29 AM (rqCsd)

420 That's absolutely untrue, smegmabreath.>>

So does this mean we win Wisconsin?

It's the cheese state!

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 01:29 AM (DbhrR)

421 oh man I'm still so hungry, anybody got some more cock I can suck?

Posted by: gerg gerg gerg sucking cock cock cock at October 23, 2012 01:30 AM (d/5qf)

422 I was gonna sock puppet greg, but there are so many gregs here tonight, i just cant risk it...i could end up being lost in greg.

btw Greg. when obama loses, you can come over to my house and i will pity skull fuck you so you can begin to ween off the obamacock.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 01:30 AM (ovpNn)

423 this is the real Greg - (rpZo5)
That's not the real Gerg. It's a sock. Gerg's hash iswkKyw and it never changes.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 01:30 AM (aHR5E)

424 The Navy fucked up when it took bayonets off our submarines.

Posted by: eman at October 23, 2012 01:30 AM (+XD7n)

425 PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Mitt Romney now leads Barack Obama 49-47 based on the last 3 nights of our national tracking, all pre-debate though: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/102010211022TrackingPoll.pdf …
Retweeted by SquatchPride69


Posted by: kbdabear at October 23, 2012 01:30 AM (wwsoB)

426 Foreign Policy President>Economy President.

Because everyone cares what world opinion is of us.

Nate Silver told me so, through WEIGHTED polls!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:30 AM (M1gmo)

427 Christopher Taylor, you make a good point about few people answering polls. Look at who likely answers these things. People with landlines. People with lots of time to waste, i.e. old people.

Polling formats need to change with the times. Fortunately, with a lopsided race as this one, it won't have an effect.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:31 AM (rpZo5)

428 i smell funny between my legs!!!111!!1111!!

Posted by: Gregina at October 23, 2012 01:31 AM (JtCos)

429 419
PPP National poll: Romney 49-47. Independents +9 Romney. D+6 sample.

Posted by: DOOM, Ed.D at October 23, 2012 01:29 AM (rqCsd)

Too Republican. Needs MOAR Democrat!

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:31 AM (M1gmo)

430 Obama struck out.

Posted by: Greg Luzinski at October 23, 2012 01:32 AM (Ks4nX)

431 this is the real Greg - (rpZo5)>>

Tonight it's the hash that repeats but real? are you sure cause it seemed kinda stinky like a sock.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 01:32 AM (DbhrR)

432 392
I think his mom has tucked her baby in bed by now.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:32 AM (M/TDA)

433 Hi gang.

Earlier tonight I received a telephone call from Romney HQ here in Massachusetts, informing me that I have been selected to work in the main war room on Election Day.

I will be monitoring poll watchers in swing counties around the country (along with 700 other folks) in order to direct the GOTV phone and door efforts in the places that matter the most.

I'm honored and really, really excited to have this opportunity. Not to mention getting a chance to see President Romney at the moment he first hears the great news!

The moral of the story is, go sign up at the link at the top of the sidebar, and come join the well-organized, highly-sophisticated Election Day operation, and lets get this thing done.

Posted by: Truman North at October 23, 2012 01:32 AM (I2LwF)

434 Tonight it's the hash that repeats but real? are you sure cause it seemed kinda stinky like a sock.
---

It's a sock. It used the term "Democrat party." Leftards don't do that.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at October 23, 2012 01:33 AM (aHR5E)

435 Obama got shaken down.

Posted by: Gregory Abbott at October 23, 2012 01:34 AM (Ks4nX)

436 @434 I thought it seemed like someone socking a troll to fire us up, make sure we don't get complacent

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:35 AM (uLTng)

437 If you wanna talk about that, I'm off to the ONT since I promised the update there.

Posted by: Truman North at October 23, 2012 01:35 AM (I2LwF)

438 406 Pretty sure Greg is a Twink. You have to be more manly and have thought about switching back to the other team to become a Twank.
Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 01:26 AM (AREf/)


Bzzzzt...sorry. Switching to the other side (possibly) is a twunk. Twank is a homosexual skank.

Why yes, yes i learn about the gay culture through Always Sunny.

Posted by: RWC at October 23, 2012 01:35 AM (t+Sdx)

439 well, goddamn!
that motherfucker hasn't even been on tonight.
got my dander all up and everything.
I feel gypped.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 01:35 AM (AREf/)

440 Nite all this dumb bastard has a job to get to in the morning.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 23, 2012 01:35 AM (DbhrR)

441 433 -- I signed up to help the Romney campaign -- but so far they only sent me an email a few days ago saying they would input my data into the system. They haven't contacted me since, but then again, I live in Chicago.

Posted by: Sassy at October 23, 2012 01:35 AM (detCI)

442 @Truman

That is a prime spot from which to watch your hopes being dashed. Bring the tissues. I'll bring the popcorn.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:36 AM (pX6k6)

443 Best part of the debate....Schieffer asked a "what if?" about Israeli PM notifying that bombers were headed to Iran. Romney refused to grant the premise. He would not let America's administration's relationship withIsrael to degenerate to the point that Israel would take secret, unilateral action. Then Romney explained, in statesmanlike fashion,that the only reason Schieffer himself did not find the premise absurd was because of BHO's policies vis-a-vis Israel over the last 4 years. Obama's response? Meandering non-sequitur that didn't even mention Israel. Game over.

Posted by: Nicolo M. at October 23, 2012 01:36 AM (9ND2c)

444 #139...bingo.

A lot of people believe that Romney will start a war with Iran...so he has to convince them he is not a warmonger.

Romney is very smart and plans his campaign. I suspect he will make an excellent president, but do many things that upset us at first but later are revealed to be smart.

Posted by: Sexypig at October 23, 2012 01:36 AM (jwHX3)

445 So many socks...all claiming to be greg.

there is only one way to tell.

The first greg that can confirm which side the wart on Obama's dick is will be deemed the real greg.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 01:36 AM (ovpNn)

446 @436 I suppose I made you complacent with the awful turnout in '08 for your beloved Sarah.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:36 AM (rpZo5)

447 Left. Always is the good answer.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:37 AM (M1gmo)

448
R - "Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations. We have freed other nations from dictators."
O - "We've got ships that go under the water."

Posted by: Vertov at October 23, 2012 01:37 AM (rRr9n)

449 People, please, don't use the words Greg and Sock in the same sentence. He does things with his socks. Sick things.

Posted by: greg's ashamed mother at October 23, 2012 01:37 AM (8/bPb)

450 Let’s Check The Record: Obama Was Wrong, Romney Did Say Government Should Provide Guarantees For Carmakers Post-Bankruptcy Financing…

Weasel Zippers: http://goo.gl/LFmB5

It's right there in black and white.

Posted by: Scobface at October 23, 2012 01:38 AM (IoNBC)

451 @446

you comment makes no sense


Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:39 AM (uLTng)

452 As I said in the beginning,

haha I look forward to all your tears come elections day #deludedconservatives #obamatriumph

Ohio cannot be won within the next two weeks. Sorry! Our ground game is significant there. A tie means an Obama win.

Have fun trying makeup for it with the other tossups.

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:39 AM (pX6k6)

453 @452 Obama has the clear ground game and financial advantage in Ohio. There is no realistic view that Obama loses the state since he leads in EVERY poll.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:40 AM (rpZo5)

454 damn, too many gregs, lol

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:40 AM (uLTng)

455 @441- they will call you up and do a conference call type deal where they layout the gist of what they want you to do. But they say that they wont give you any specifics until about a week out from election so as to keep it all on the down low.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 01:41 AM (AREf/)

456 Everybody knows bankruptcy is the same as liquidation.

Posted by: Dem Voter, Low-Information and Damn Proud of It at October 23, 2012 01:41 AM (IoNBC)

457 On November 6th all our underwear will start to glow.

When Mitt wins they will be as bright as the Sun.

Posted by: eman at October 23, 2012 01:41 AM (+XD7n)

458 Attack of the Gregs

Directed by Greg
Starring Greg
Screenplay by Greg
Cinematography by Greg
Gowns by Greg
Score by Greg

Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 01:41 AM (M/TDA)

459 Pew Research Center had a great article about how polls are screwed up, and between the lines, they basically admitted "our polls are utter trash and we don't know what to do about it." In it, they wrote about several options people are considering, including believe it or not, internet polling.

One of the things that came up is that they know they're oversampling Democrats but because the data is so limited they have no choice. The Pew data in particular was revealing.

Richer and more educated people refused to answer polls more often. Poorer and less educated people, especially those on public assistance, were more likely to.

Hence: more Democrats, and they're getting so little information they can't weight it properly.

Its all trash, all of it; Rassmussen, PPP, all of them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 01:41 AM (r4wIV)

460 No, I'm Gergacus!

Posted by: Gergacus at October 23, 2012 01:42 AM (eHIJJ)

461 Financial advantage. That's a good one.

Posted by: Adam at October 23, 2012 01:42 AM (/YJYi)

462 Greg, whats your phone number? I have a secret to tell you that could blow the Romney campaign sky high!


Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 23, 2012 01:42 AM (ovpNn)

463 Tonight: greg vs. greg

Posted by: eman at October 23, 2012 01:43 AM (+XD7n)

464 Clear Ohio ground game GOTV.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:43 AM (M1gmo)

465 PBS comments by moderating alumni Raddatz and Ifill were scornful of Romney because he was "...so full of facts it was like a book report."


Americans hate facts and smart Presidents.

Posted by: Daybrother at October 23, 2012 01:44 AM (+paCV)

466 Greg, when was the last time you spoke to an Independant? Until this year, I voted independant since I was 18. This is the first year I actually registered as a Republican. Why, you may ask? Because Obama has gambled away our future with socialist ideas. I am going to be 40 next year, and the thought that all the money i paid into Social Security and my TSP might be worthless after investing 16% of my paycheck every two weeks really scares me. In 2008, many Americans wanted change from the far right because they were sick of the same crap for the last eight years, so they overwhelming voted for Obama. Obama sold everyone on a load of bullshit that most independents bought. He was in the eyes of many Jesus Christ incarnate.

But over the past four years he delivered on nothing he promised and forced upon Americans policies that most rejected or downright hated. Instead of bringing the nation together and healing the nation's wounds he poured salt into them. He vilified Romney and to be honest most Americans didn't know what to believ because they didn't know the man. The first debates crushed and contradicted everything that was said about the man.

The reason there has been so much shift in momentum is that Romney laid out a plan even of the details are still unknown. Obama has not laid out anything for the next four years or what direction he will take the United States. What is your plan, Mr President? What direction is "Foward?" where will the U.S. be in four more years. Offer Americans solutions, they will vote for you. Keep offering them bullshit and telling them "It's not my fault" is the same response a child gives his parents. For Christ sakes, man, grow a pair and take responsibility! It's like a man begging a woman for sex: pathetic!

As a life long Independant, I am content in my decision to vote for Romney. I don't agree with him socially, but at the end of the day, it is about the economy and my family's future. Not guns, abortion, woman's rights, gay marriage, etc, but economic issues.

Thanks for letting me rant!

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 01:44 AM (6LG6d)

467
Ok. WTF? I'm surrounded by gregs. This has to stop.

Posted by: Some paranoid guy in Wisconsin at October 23, 2012 01:44 AM (H7jIA)

468 @462 The same huge news that Trump has? I can't wait! It will shake the foundation of this election to its core.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:44 AM (rpZo5)

469 Obama will win. Clean articulate BLACK man. You don't see those in all those turbin wearing 7 Eleven stores.

CHAINS!

Posted by: Joe Biden. at October 23, 2012 01:45 AM (M1gmo)

470 Obama has the clear ground game and financial advantage in Ohio.

Uh, the DNC is flat broke, and Obama is having to do fresh ad buys about Big Bird and binders in states where dopes like you swear up and down he can't possibly lose.

You guys sure do a lot of running backwards for all that victory swag you're carrying.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:46 AM (q5NFp)

471 Who here has had someone serve in Iran? Raise your hand!

Posted by: Joe Biden. at October 23, 2012 01:46 AM (M1gmo)

472 @466 Most of my friends and business associates label themselves as "moderate". The majority of which are ardent Obama supporters, because they are great taxpaying American adults.

Now, I'm not saying I'm an Obama supporter. I actually lean to the right. I'm just saying that Mr. Obama has won this election.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:47 AM (rpZo5)

473 Romney acted like a guy that thinks he is ahead.

Posted by: Dave S. at October 23, 2012 01:47 AM (UvR6d)

474 Uh, the DNC is flat broke

Uh, what does the DNC have to do with the Obama campaign? Those are two separate entities.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/finance-election-Obama-Romney/2012/10/22/id/460950

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:47 AM (pX6k6)

475 Financial advantage: because i bought every single Obama merchandise dildo!!11!1

And Im using them at this very moment! hmmmm....

Posted by: Gregina at October 23, 2012 01:48 AM (JtCos)

476 455 - thanks for letting me know. I'm looking forward to the call/email.

Posted by: Sassy at October 23, 2012 01:48 AM (detCI)

477 I lean to the right too! I am conservative compared to my CONSTITUENTS!

Posted by: Nanci Pelosi at October 23, 2012 01:48 AM (M1gmo)

478 Most of my friends and business associates label themselves as "moderate". The majority of which are ardent Obama supporters, because they are great taxpaying American adults.

Now, I'm not saying I'm an Obama supporter. I actually lean to the right. I'm just saying that Mr. Obama has won this election.


Eventually all socked trolls want to be caught. Good run, though.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:48 AM (q5NFp)

479 @472 one hundred thousand lols for that howler

you're just concerned, right?

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:49 AM (uLTng)

480 hahahaha, I forgot about the otters (sub-section of bears).

Posted by: Ball of Hate at October 23, 2012 01:49 AM (AREf/)

481 Gergy and his gaggle of monkeys remind me of the Japanese in WW2 who
were constantly told that by empire-run radio that every battle was a
glorious victory.


Or Baghdad Bob in 2003. The entire Arab world actually believed that the Iraqi conscripts, the fedayeen in their technicals, and the Republican Guard in their T-72s were defeating the Coalition.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 01:49 AM (JgHoa)

482 Ok. WTF? I'm surrounded by gregs. This has to stop.

Posted by: Some paranoid guy in Wisconsin at October 23, 2012 01:44 AM (H7jIA)


The troll greg has been quite until the last debate.Now it's nothing but desperation.He known it's das Götterdämmerung for the scoamf administration.

Posted by: YIKES! at October 23, 2012 01:50 AM (PlCer)

483 Vic posting overnight? I thought he was pure daywalker. Truly these are strange times...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 23, 2012 01:50 AM (1zwZo)

484 Real Greg troll hash = wkkyw

These are pale imitations if real at all.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:51 AM (M1gmo)

485 Greg has been gregged into troll oblivion

Posted by: Tuna at October 23, 2012 01:52 AM (M/TDA)

486 Or Baghdad Bob in 2003. The entire Arab world actually believed that the Iraqi conscripts, the fedayeen in their technicals, and the Republican Guard in their T-72s were defeating the Coalition.

That was a fascinating situation, and its worth a study in terms of human psychology. Raised to obey and submit, these guys basically have no category for doubting or disbelieving authorities. They are taught from infancy that authority is absolute and unquestioned and that if they are told something they don't even have the opportunity to consider questioning it's validity.

That's the negative side of Islam, like the negative side of Hinduism is to create a non-ambitious, fatalistic attitude in life. Its literally a sin to want to better yourself.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 01:52 AM (r4wIV)

487 Now, I'm not saying I'm an Obama supporter. I actually lean to the right. I'm just saying that Mr. Obama has won this election.
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:47 AM (rpZo5)I'll try to be succinct.You are a liar.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 23, 2012 01:52 AM (8cOY0)

488 Uh, what does the DNC have to do with the Obama campaign? Those are two separate entities.

Try quoting me in full next time, gerg. Your boyfriend went from running ads doing serious damage to Romney -- framing him before the first debate as some kind of Dickensian plutocrat -- and is now reduced to running laughably bad joke ads that are the equivalent to simply pouring gasoline in his warchest and tossing in a match.

Big Bird is a Big Deal! LOL

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:52 AM (q5NFp)

489 23% thought Romney won tonight. TWENTY. THREE. PERCENT.

And I'm the concerned one? Stop being silly.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:52 AM (rpZo5)

490 @489

We are on ace...probably the most delusional when it comes to hopes of a Romney victory

Posted by: greg at October 23, 2012 01:53 AM (pX6k6)

491
Greg reminds me of this guy I argued with in 2004. He was a member of "Republicans for Howard Dean".
I asked him why he was a Republican. Then I asked again. Then again. He finally left.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 23, 2012 01:53 AM (8cOY0)

492 "Big Bird is a Big Deal! LOL"


and binders!! eleventy-one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:54 AM (uLTng)

493 @489 :23% thought Romney won tonight

stop with this fairy tale unless you have a link

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:56 AM (uLTng)

494 23% thought Romney won tonight. TWENTY. THREE. PERCENT.

IN.A.CBS.FLASH.POLL.

Keep fucking that chicken, gerg. Pretty soon, this little blip on the radar, which won't even be mentioned outside of CBS, is the only poll you're going to be able to cite without making shallow cuts in your arm.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:56 AM (q5NFp)

495 493
@489 :23% thought Romney won tonight

stop with this fairy tale unless you have a link


Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 01:56 AM (uLTng)

CBS. Doesn't count.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:56 AM (M1gmo)

496 kinlaw, I posted the link. It's the CBS poll. Not hard to find yourself, if need be.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:56 AM (rpZo5)

497 Didn't last weeks CBS poll show Obama won the debate pretty big as well? That didn't translate into anything for him.

Posted by: Adam at October 23, 2012 01:57 AM (/YJYi)

498 I hope this debate bounce for Romney goes as high as the last bounce for him did after the last debate.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:57 AM (M1gmo)

499 Greg, does Obama believe in equal protection under the law? If so, then why did he select Eric Holder as his Attorney General?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 23, 2012 01:57 AM (8cOY0)

500 Romney lost the last poll too.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 01:58 AM (M1gmo)

501 Krauthammer, as always, nails it. I was feeling pretty pessimistic right after the debate, but now I can at least see a coherent alternative take. Here's hoping it's right.

Posted by: Benjamin Morris at October 23, 2012 01:58 AM (eIfrn)

502 So, the CBS poll is now worthless while you promote the CNN poll? CNN, who is responsible for botching the last debate with Candy Crowley's lies, while Bob Schieffer was the consummate professional tonight in a fair, lively debate.

Again, stop being silly.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:58 AM (rpZo5)

503 How many people thought Romney won tonight's debate is irrelevant, check my comment at 402. These debates were not and never could have been about the usual examination of policy and seeing how people do under pressure or in contrast with each other.

They were just a way for people to get to see Romney in action, in person, and understand that he's a viable choice and not the robotic monster the Obama team is trying to paint him as. He did great at that, and so people are going "cool, OK he's a viable alternative, and I don't want Obama in there 4 more years to have "more flexibility."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 01:58 AM (r4wIV)

504 After Romney is elected president next month these three debates are going to be re-assessed as a Romney sweep. Democrats crow Romney loses the battles and are stunned and panicked that he's winning the war.

Romney is setting and meeting smart objectives and Obama is "getting Romney". Obama has target fixation and he's about to fly into the ground.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 23, 2012 01:59 AM (SzAZ7)

505 We are on ace...probably the most delusional when it comes to hopes of a Romney victory

Well, then head on over to Kos where you're more welcome.

Oh, wait, the Kostards are pretty sure Romney's going to win, too, because their house-organ pollster keeps telling them so.

Guess you've got nowhere to go. Awwww.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 01:59 AM (q5NFp)

506 That was a fascinating situation, and its worth a study in terms of
human psychology. Raised to obey and submit, these guys basically have
no category for doubting or disbelieving authorities. They are taught
from infancy that authority is absolute and unquestioned and that if
they are told something they don't even have the opportunity to consider questioning it's validity.


Exactly. They're nearly perfectly analogous to leftists, which is why so many Democrats actually believe that Obama has this in the bag. They can no more comprehend a weirdo Mormon Rethuglikkkan winning than the Arab world could envision their mighty warriors losing.

I loved the aftermath to Operation Iraqi Freedom Phase I, in which there were endless articles written by shocked Arab intellectuals who couldn't believe they'd been lied to by Saddam.

They genuinely believed that a Third World army was going to defeat the western powers.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 01:59 AM (JgHoa)

507 I'll still be vice president if Barack loses right?

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 23, 2012 01:59 AM (+paCV)

508
Didn't last weeks CBS poll show Obama won the debate pretty big as well? That didn't translate into anything for him.


Posted by: Adam at October 23, 2012 01:57 AM (/YJYi)

CBS pretty much has Obama winning in just about everything.

Posted by: YIKES! at October 23, 2012 01:59 AM (PlCer)

509 502
So, the CBS poll is now worthless while you promote the CNN poll? CNN,
who is responsible for botching the last debate with Candy Crowley's
lies, while Bob Schieffer was the consummate professional tonight in a
fair, lively debate.

Again, stop being silly.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 01:58 AM (rpZo5)

CNN has great internals for Romney. No. One. Cares. Who. Won. The. Debate. Except. You.
Didn't matter last time. Won't matter this time.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:00 AM (M1gmo)

510 So, the CBS poll is now worthless while you promote the CNN poll?

Gallup. Your rectum. Some assembly required.

Good lord, at this point I really hope you're a sock. Not even the most sweaty-toothed liberal loon goes around waving a post-debate flash poll like he'd just found a Dead Sea scroll.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:01 AM (q5NFp)

511 @505 Let's see what Mr. Moulitsas says tonight:

"It's official: Obama smoked Romney. It wasn't even close."

"Dear conservatives, that sinking feeling you feel in your gut right now? It's legit."

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:02 AM (rpZo5)

512
Didn't matter last time. Won't matter this time.


Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:00 AM (M1gmo)

What sealed the deal for Romney was the first debate and being an adult.

Posted by: YIKES! at October 23, 2012 02:02 AM (PlCer)

513 LOL! Now its down to quoting Kos himself. Does he look at his OWN POLLING?

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:02 AM (M1gmo)

514 @510 Good lord, at this point I really hope you're a
sock. Not even the most sweaty-toothed liberal loon goes around waving a
post-debate flash poll like he'd just found a Dead Sea scroll.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:01 AM (q5NFp)"
lol, the unkindest cut of all for a troll: pity

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 02:03 AM (uLTng)

515 Well, Romney definitely won over the National Review types that abandoned him in September. What are there, 12 of them? They're ecstatic. We'll see what the rest of the public thinks.

Posted by: Sid the Lid at October 23, 2012 02:04 AM (gsmk9)

516 What sealed the deal for Romney was the first debate and being an adult.


Posted by: YIKES! at October 23, 2012 02:02 AM (PlCer)

Yep. They have been playing catch up every day since then with BINDERS! BIG BIRD! WAR ON WOMEN!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:04 AM (M1gmo)

517 Except... we don't have a sinking feeling in our gut. We're sleeping like babies at night. Its over.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:04 AM (r4wIV)

518 Let's see what Mr. Moulitsas says tonight:

I give you PPP -- a sham pollster that at least has to maintain some semblance of eventual accuracy if it wants to keep getting paid -- and you give me this mongoloid poofter who gets paid to rub red meat on the wings of the idiot locusts that infest his corner of the interwebs?

Holy shit, what a sad little monkey you are.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:04 AM (q5NFp)

519 I was merely stating the general opinion on Daily Kos, the opposite side of the spectrum.

They think Obama won soundly. Similar to the undecided poll by CBS.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:06 AM (rpZo5)

520 I give you PPP -- a sham pollster that at least has
to maintain some semblance of eventual accuracy if it wants to keep
getting paid -- and you give me this mongoloid poofter who gets paid to
rub red meat on the wings of the idiot locusts that infest his corner of
the interwebs?



Holy shit, what a sad little monkey you are.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:04 AM (q5NFp)

Even PPP found Obama losing by double digits, DOUBLE DIGITS, to Romney after the debate.
2008, Obama won independents. 2012, he loses independents to Romney.
Can't win the election. Sorry Greg.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:06 AM (M1gmo)

521 What sealed the deal for Romney was the first debate and being an adult.

Sure, if Romney had tore into Obama or gotten angry or sarcastic, it would have destroyed him. I'm not sure its really in his nature to do any of that, but if he had - which many commenters here and elsewhere raged that he should - it would have made the Obama scare ads seem real and pushed voters away.

He was a sort of likeable Clark Kent type and that worked perfectly. I get the impression that's what he's really like, actually.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:07 AM (r4wIV)

522 Hey, gerg, do you have any post-debate analysis and gloating by William Rivers Pitt? Preferably something with the words "Bank it" at the climax?

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (q5NFp)

523
Greg, if you tilt right as you said you do, then why are you carrying water for Obama?

Don't just be a dickless troll. For once in your life speak from the heart.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (8cOY0)

524 At least one of the gregs reminds me of a troll on Hot Air.

In any case, pathetic. Seriously, I think most trolls must have some kind of personality disorder.

How much must real offline life suck for someone to resort to gregging online.

Posted by: lael at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (solTu)

525 519
I was merely stating the general opinion on Daily Kos, the opposite side of the spectrum.

They think Obama won soundly. Similar to the undecided poll by CBS.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:06 AM (rpZo5)

Yep. Thought that Joe Biden won soundly. And Obama won in the second debate, according to liberal nutjobs.
Yet polling does not show it unless a turnout greater than 2008 is used for Democrats.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (M1gmo)

526 "Independents", i.e. Teabaggers that are ashamed to join your side.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (rpZo5)

527 Greg socks here, religion fight over there. It makes Die Hard With a Vengeance seem the entertaining choice for the rest of the evening.

Posted by: Bete stays up at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (8kIXE)

528 Krauthammer, as always, nails it. I was feeling pretty pessimistic
right after the debate, but now I can at least see a coherent
alternative take. Here's hoping it's right.


You have to stop letting the TV tell you what to think. Romney's been masterful all along. He's sidestepped every single trap set for him by the Dems and the mainstream media.

I once read something that stuck with me forever. To make the best basketball player in the world miss a free throw, you don't have to knock him down. All you have to do is gently bump his elbow.

Romney has beaten nearly inconceivable odds. He's up against the entire media establishment, which has thrown off all pretense of objectivity, and he's trying to defeat The First Black President, who's a completely unprincipled bastard and liar who would've been laughed off the political stage four years ago if it weren't for his race.

Romney is corny and a member of a religion that turns off many, and yet he's clearly prevailing. He did it by playing this brilliantly.

The man is a genius. You need to relax. I knew he'd win even before the first debate, because I did my own research on his game plan and I knew that he's a big thinker, a Type A personality, a predator, and a winner.

He's got the Midas Touch, while Obama has it in reverse. Everything Obama touches turns to shit.

So cheer up.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (JgHoa)

529 (Not counting parodic socks under the term "gregging.")

Posted by: lael at October 23, 2012 02:10 AM (solTu)

530 @523 I'm a poll realist. I just call 'em as I see 'em. This blog really needs someone fair and balanced like me, not like CAC.

There's no carrying Obama here. I'm only mentioning polls. I'm in no way helping his campaign. Not that he needs it.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:11 AM (rpZo5)

531 Been reading around. Why are people asking if Obama had an earpiece? Is he using a hearing aid?

Posted by: What do you do all day if you don't watch tv, anne? at October 23, 2012 02:11 AM (oZfic)

532 Yep. Thought that Joe Biden won soundly. And Obama won in the second debate, according to liberal nutjobs.
Yet polling does not show it unless a turnout greater than 2008 is used for Democrats.


Why, it's almost as if normal people -- you know, people who aren't consumed with psychotic levels of rage, envy, and hatred for pretty much anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with or subsidize them -- don't get all giddy when the most powerful man in the world struts and taunts like a schoolyard punk in need of an ass-kicking.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:12 AM (q5NFp)

533 526
"Independents", i.e. Teabaggers that are ashamed to join your side.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:08 AM (rpZo5)

Yep. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. You found it out!
Not dissatisfaction with Obama. No one could feel that way.

That is why polls need to show it is going to be a D+8 or greater. Otherwise Romney WINS BIG.
Do worry that Romney is behind by 1-2 pts or TIED in polls like that? Do you worry that it takes a D+8 poll to actually GET OBAMA AHEAD???

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:13 AM (M1gmo)

534 If there was any justice in the world, guys like Nate Silver would be fired on November 7th. But the left loves guys who get it wrong all the time in order to make them feel good. Paul Krugman's entire job relies on it. I loved the PJ media article recently about how the economic community basically whistles and looks the other way when Krugman writes or talks now, like they have to put up with an embarrassing or idiotic relative at a dinner party. Just don't get eye contact and pretend they aren't there

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:13 AM (r4wIV)

535 A sinking feeling in our stomachs? Not even close. Kos is a fine projectionist.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 23, 2012 02:13 AM (SzAZ7)

536 well, tonight's greg is saying such ridiculous things, that at least he/they are entertaining

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 02:14 AM (uLTng)

537 I don't know if the real Greg is up there or not, but expect the mother of all troll infestations from now until Nov 7th. This is their last hurrah.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 23, 2012 02:14 AM (yJYwC)

538 I was worried in 2008. I knew we were going to lose. Hoping against hope that the polls were wrong.

Not. Worried. Now.

We will win.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:15 AM (M1gmo)

539 What's wierd is that even in the heavily weighted Dem+ polls, President Obama can't break 50%. That in its self ought to raise red flags for the left. The polls are trash, but they want so dearly to believe in them, and that should make them nervous.

One thing I do know is that the Obama team isn't playing like they think they are or even can win.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:15 AM (r4wIV)

540 Besides, the position won't become available until 2016,

Which means that President Romney would have to nominate him. Which I can just totally see happening.

Unless, God forbid he wins, he resigns in 2016 and President Sloe Joe nominates him. Biden would also have to pardon him for all of his offenses.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 23, 2012 02:16 AM (1Qpmy)

541 @533 I don't think Obama has a chance of losing Ohio. Like I've said many times, he's leading every single poll. And D+8 is absolutely fair. That was the sample in '08, and Obama has put tons of resources into the state this year. Along with the fact that polling itself today slants Republican because it requires landlines.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:16 AM (rpZo5)

542 Greg, if you tilt right as you said you do, then why are you carrying water for Obama?

He's a "true conservative"...like Sully.

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 23, 2012 02:18 AM (sAUVA)

543 541
@533 I don't think Obama has a chance of losing Ohio. Like I've said
many times, he's leading every single poll. And D+8 is absolutely fair.
That was the sample in '08, and Obama has put tons of resources into the
state this year. Along with the fact that polling itself today slants
Republican because it requires landlines.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:16 AM (rpZo5)

Sad, pathetic, little thing. No, just no.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:18 AM (M1gmo)

544 Obama came across as the sophomore class bully trying to pick on the captain of the varsity football team. Not effective, and not likeable.

Obama needed to do three things tonight: energize the liberal base, stop bleeding independents, and force Romney into a major gaffe.

He might've succeeded at energizing the base a little, but the reactions of Chris Matthews et. al suggest that maybe he didn't. He failed at preserving independent support, as the PPP poll cited above shows. And Romney wouldn't let himself be goaded into a gaffe; in fact, Obama suffered a few gaffes himself trying.

In terms of campaign objectives, Romney was the clear winner tonight.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 23, 2012 02:19 AM (RLZvP)

545 One thing I do know is that the Obama team isn't playing like they think they are or even can win.

That's simply not true, Christopher. Obama is only moving his Risk pieces from North Carolina and Virginia to Minnesota so he can win there by a record margin.

To the fjords!

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:19 AM (q5NFp)

546 @ppppolls

Mitt Romney now leads Barack Obama 49-47 based on the last 3 nights of our national tracking, all pre-debate though

LOL

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:19 AM (M1gmo)

547 @541 D+8 is absolutely fair..."

see, funny as hell

let me give you a hint, scooter pie, D+2 will be a great success for the dems

and that is growing unlikelier by the day


Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 02:19 AM (uLTng)

548 . And D+8 is absolutely fair. That was the sample in '08

{checking calender}

Yep, its not 2008 anymore. Hope and Change turned into old and busted.

Posted by: @PurpAv at October 23, 2012 02:20 AM (sAUVA)

549 I'm a pole realist! Obama is only up a point in Ohio so it's game over man, game over.

Posted by: Gerggle at October 23, 2012 02:20 AM (/YJYi)

550 The left is going hog wild over the "horses and bayonets" line from Obama tonight.

They are beclowning themselves with that little reference...

Heh.

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 23, 2012 02:20 AM (sZTYJ)

551 @546 PPP is still in the process of fine tuning their polls for optimal accuracy during the final week. And, as it says, this 53-23 Obama victory tonight is not accounted for.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:20 AM (rpZo5)

552 @550

remember Hat, they loved the binder thing too, and the war on women before that''

clueless

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 02:21 AM (uLTng)

553 #AdmitItMitt You'll never hit the #choom with a bong like #Obama, nor hypocritically jail stoners for doing the same thing you did!

#AdmitItMitt you'll never loved by tyrants like they love #Obama, because you are not "flexible" enough to bend over & take it like a b***h

Somewhere in the bowels of hell, Hosrt Wessel is feeling a little less tortured because he is so #ProudofObama

Casto, Chaves, Putin, and Ahmadinejad are #ProudofObama | #SCoaMF

Posted by: The Political Hat (@ThePoliticalHat) at October 23, 2012 02:21 AM (sZTYJ)

554 Re: my feelings on the election.

08 = sinking feeling in my belly
12 = schadenboner in my britches

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 23, 2012 02:21 AM (SzAZ7)

555 Along with the fact that polling itself today slants
Republican because it requires landlines.


It also requires being home and with plenty of time to talk to a stranger. And since a hugely disproportionate number of Democrats are unemployable welfare-sucking parasites, they only need to find the "pause" button on the Xbox controller and they can have their voice counted.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:22 AM (q5NFp)

556 I don't think Obama has a chance of losing Ohio.

Well, except for the fact that Romney has steadily chipped away at what was once Obama's double-digit lead.

Now, the Poll of Polls shows Obama with only a three-point lead. Since the poll doesn't have a margin of error, Romney could actually be leading.

http://tinyurl.com/8rnxfnl

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 02:22 AM (JgHoa)

557 I'd rate the outcome as draw.

Romney got a few zingers, and made some good hits.

Obama was a smarmy git and lied like there was no tomorrow... unfortunatly Mitt did not the opportunity to smack them all down, so for unifmormed voters, that'll probably be a net plus for Obama.

What Mitt lacked was a unifying visions. His answers came across as almost scattershot. Mitt needed to articulate a unifying vision, but didn't.

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 23, 2012 02:23 AM (sZTYJ)

558 It is really scary to think that the CIC doesn't even know that the allies have staged bayonet charges as recently as the Iraq war or that there are more types of ships than aircraft carriers that are necessary to successfully fulfill our responsibilities.

He has to have the same level of understanding of the military that the average sixth grader does to think making snarky comments like that are a way for him to show his superiority. I was truly embarrassed for him. Normally I just hate him but that made me cringe like he had just soiled himself on stage.

And it was illogical and non-responsive snark to boot. It is like someone saying that we are short on bowls and Obama berating them by telling them that we have these new things called plates so we don't need bowls anymore. Plates are wonderful things but they aren't much damn help when your mission calls for soup. Aircraft carriers are fine until you need to move a division and all of its gear etc...

And aircraft carriers and submarines are hardly the new innovations he made them out to be.

Obama really is a stupid fucker... there is just no getting around that fact. Ignorance can be treated but stupidity is incurable.

Posted by: Voluble at October 23, 2012 02:23 AM (qYvEa)

559 And since a hugely disproportionate number of Democrats are unemployable welfare-sucking parasites, they only need to find the "pause" button on the Xbox controller and they can have their voice counted.

And I think there's some psychological need in the left to be part of the cool kids and in the crowd, so being polled makes them feel important and special. On the right, its an obnoxious interference with our lives and work.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:24 AM (r4wIV)

560 And, as it says, this 53-23 Obama victory tonight is not accounted for.

And, like last time Obama "won" an election, expect Romney's margin of victory to grow. Repeating -- normal voters aren't fucked-up, deranged, worthless losers like the hardcore Democrat base.

Maybe if someone didn't hand you drooling cretins a trophy every time you made boom-boom during your teen years, you'd actually have a better grasp of this whole "winning" concept.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:25 AM (q5NFp)

561 Mitt needed to articulate a unifying vision, but didn't.

To me, that's the biggest weakness of Romney's campaign. I understand why he's doing it, but it makes him seem directionless and it doesn't show very much leadership. He's too vague, too without specifics, and too general rather than having a bold, strong direction and agenda. It means he'll have no real mandate as such when he wins; he'll just be the guy we wanted instead of Obama.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:25 AM (r4wIV)

562
551
@546 PPP is still in the process of fine tuning their polls for optimal
accuracy during the final week. And, as it says, this 53-23 Obama
victory tonight is not accounted for.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:20 AM (rpZo5)

Yeah, it seems as if they are getting more Republican all the time!

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:26 AM (M1gmo)

563 Sorry, meant "won a debate"

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:26 AM (q5NFp)

564 What Mitt lacked was a unifying visions. His answers came across as
almost scattershot. Mitt needed to articulate a unifying vision, but
didn't.


Completely disagree. His unifying vision is that the U.S. economy needs to be repaired first, and from there everything else will stem.

He articulated that thought clearly and often, and I'm sure it resonated with the average voter.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 02:26 AM (JgHoa)

565 The racially motivated attacks against left pollers are sickening, but again, you know the truth.

Over the past year, Democrats having been polling better on weekends. The only available time that most hardworking Americans have.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:27 AM (rpZo5)

566 I'd like, uh, to take this chance to, uh, congratulate Brent Bocher and Busty Poser and Mark Cain and the, uh, entire San Francisco Jets organization on their championship in the North American Professional Battedball Association. And I look foward to an entertaining World Competition between the 49ers and the,uh, Detroit Bears. Michelle and I will, uh, be there at the Ann Arbor Silverdome to, uh, throw out the first bat.

Posted by: President Obama at October 23, 2012 02:27 AM (9ND2c)

567 I honestly expect the polling not to tighten up and get more realistic like it usually does because they don't have anything to tighten up with this time around. Their input is garbage. They can't help but output garbage.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:28 AM (r4wIV)

568 #561: I think his choice of Paul Ryan for VP will give him a mandate for entitlement reform. And one area where he's been consistent is repealing Obamacare. He wins, he has a mandate for that, especially if we take the Senate, too.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 23, 2012 02:29 AM (RLZvP)

569 Completely disagree. His unifying vision is that the U.S. economy needs to be repaired first, and from there everything else will stem.

Yeah but how? That's like coming out against wife beating, everyone wants the US economy to be repaired, everyone wants jobs back. That's not leadership, its just articulation of everyone's basic concern. The only reason President Obama is avoiding that is because it focuses attention on how rotten things are now after 4 years in office.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:30 AM (r4wIV)

570
561
Mitt needed to articulate a unifying vision, but didn't.


To me, that's the biggest weakness of Romney's campaign. I
understand why he's doing it, but it makes him seem directionless and
it doesn't show very much leadership. He's too vague, too without
specifics, and too general rather than having a bold, strong direction
and agenda. It means he'll have no real mandate as such when he wins;
he'll just be the guy we wanted instead of Obama.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:25 AM (r4wIV)

Have you guys been listening to Romney during the debates?
He clearly has stated that they are going to reform Medicare and SS. Those two are the biggest ones of our problems right now. He also stated getting rid of redundant programs should be a priority. Reform the tax code. Sounds pretty specific to me (For a president).
They can't write the laws, so why give so much detail which could be used against you later as a broken promise.
The only thing he can do specifically is what concerns foreign policy and executive order stuff.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:30 AM (M1gmo)

571 Democrats have absolutely locked up the Senate. Please don't think you'll actually win that, wingnuts.

Silly CAC.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:30 AM (rpZo5)

572 571
Democrats have absolutely locked up the Senate. Please don't think you'll actually win that, wingnuts.

Silly CAC.


Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:30 AM (rpZo5)


Right. Uh huh.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:32 AM (M1gmo)

573 Folks here are disgusted by Soetoro. Prepare for doom Choom.

Posted by: Ohio Native at October 23, 2012 02:32 AM (ypzqs)

574 Over the past year, Democrats having been polling better on weekends. The only available time that most hardworking Americans have.

Which is when Republicans go out and do family things with their families.

Draw your own conclusions as to why Democrats have nowhere to go.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:33 AM (q5NFp)

575 Winning the Senate=Remove filibuster

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:34 AM (M1gmo)

576 455 @441- they will call you up and do a conference call type deal where they layout the gist of what they want you to do. But they say that they wont give you any specifics until about a week out from election so as to keep it all on the down low.


Cool! I got a lot of specifics.

Posted by: Truman North at October 23, 2012 02:34 AM (I2LwF)

577 I'd be honestly surprised to see the Republicans take the Senate, but the days of Democrats controlling the house by any major margin are utterly gone.

That should mean Harry Reid is thrown out on his ear, but then Nancy Pelosi was elected minority leader after losing the house in a massive, historic landslide.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:34 AM (r4wIV)

578
@571 Democrats have absolutely locked up the Senate. Please don't think you'll actually win that, wingnuts. "


So so you're the "right leaning" kind of guy, who calls other right leaners "wingnuts?

see how silly you are

this is too much fun

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 02:35 AM (uLTng)

579 The big loser of tonight's debate: Candy Crowley.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 23, 2012 02:35 AM (SzAZ7)

580 The big loser of tonight's debate: Candy Crowley.

Win or lose, she's still going to face-rape the buffet.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:36 AM (q5NFp)

581
579 The big loser of tonight's debate: Candy Crowley.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 23, 2012 02:35 AM (SzAZ7)


Nah. I bet she put on 5 pounds.

Posted by: buzzion at October 23, 2012 02:38 AM (GULKT)

582 From everything I've read, Schieffer did a good job staying out of the debate like Lehrer did and was a proper moderator. That's good to see at least. It seems like the old generation of news guys remember at least a little what they're supposed to be doing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:38 AM (r4wIV)

583 I lean right. Most of you are batshit insane right wingnuts. I can at least understand most Americans' pulses.

To conclude for tonight: But Obama is up 20 on Intrade!!!!

Wrong. He's winning by more than that.

You know the result on 6 November. Deal with it.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:38 AM (rpZo5)

584 I think we will keep Brown in MA. We pick up MT, NE, and ND. We lose Maine.

That leaves us with 51/49. We keep Heller in NV and Mourdock in IN. We pick up Allen in VA. That's 50/50 w/ Ryan as tie breaker.

I think we get OH and FL. We probably get WI. Probably drag Akin over the finish line.

Not to mention McMahon in CT...

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:39 AM (M1gmo)

585 Linda McMahon! LINDA MCMAHON!

You really think she's going to win!! OMGWTFBBQ

Now I'm really leaving.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:42 AM (rpZo5)

586 Yeah, I gave Lehrer the business a little on that first debate, but in hindsight he did do a pretty good job overall. So did Schieffer tonight. Gotta give credit where credit's due, especially in comparison to Raddatz and Crowley, who'd clearly picked a side and tried to do all they could to swing the contest.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at October 23, 2012 02:42 AM (RLZvP)

587 And Akin in Missouri. He's going to win, despite the hysteria a few weeks ago here and around America. But I still don't think it will add up enough for the Republicans to actually get a majority in the Senate.

It doesn't matter anyway, the Democrats will just filibuster every single action. Any attempt to cut anything or reform anything will be met with total solidarity and lockstep opposition.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:42 AM (r4wIV)

588
583
I lean batshit insane
Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:38 AM (rpZo5)


fixed it for you

Posted by: kinlaw at October 23, 2012 02:44 AM (uLTng)

589 Wrong. He's winning by more than that.

You think he's winning by more than 20??? If I give you 20-to-1 odds will you put $10,000 in an escrow account on that wager?

You know what, just shut the fuck up already. This troll sock thing is funny until it isn't. And now it's just played.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:44 AM (q5NFp)

590 No fucking way scumbama wins, no way. I have met way too many people over the last year that voted for him last time and hate his fucking guts now. The only way they will win is through massive voter fraud, but to think he has the support he had last time is wishful thinking.

Posted by: Berserker at October 23, 2012 02:44 AM (FMbng)

591 Wasn't Greg the retard who was here saying that republicans would absolutely not take the house in 2010?

Posted by: Scarra at October 23, 2012 02:46 AM (cYZlQ)

592 That's what gets me, I just cannot see any scenario by which Obama wins. I've been wrong before, but I just don't see it. He's lost support that he had last time. He won't get that crossover vote. He doesn't have the "I hate Republicans of all kinds" wave. He doesn't have the hope and change hysteria. How on earth does that add up to a win? I don't care what your electoral maps look like or how you add up electoral college votes based on polling data. It just doesn't matter. I cannot see the scenario.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:47 AM (r4wIV)

593 With this passive performance, Romney is banking on some external event or some government statistic to expose Obama's hollowness for him. That could happen, but why place yourself at the mercy of external events? If the unemplyment report comes in at 8% on Nov. 2, do you really have enough time to exploit that? If some foreign disaster befalls us in th elast 14 days, do you really have time to counteract the rally-round-theCinC reflex? Ramesh Ponnuru may be happy, but honestly, how many elections above dog catcher can he win?

Posted by: Sid the Lid at October 23, 2012 02:48 AM (gsmk9)

594 Good night, everyone!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at October 23, 2012 02:48 AM (RLZvP)

595 When it comes to oil/gas field exploitation and large military weapon systems why are liberals congenitally unable to understand the concept of lead time.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 23, 2012 02:48 AM (SzAZ7)

596 Wasn't Greg the retard who was here saying that republicans would absolutely not take the house in 2010?

It was no "wave"*, that's for sure.

wave = one more seat than the Republicans won

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:48 AM (q5NFp)

597
587
And Akin in Missouri. He's going to win, despite the hysteria a few
weeks ago here and around America. But I still don't think it will add
up enough for the Republicans to actually get a majority in the Senate.


It doesn't matter anyway, the Democrats will just filibuster
every single action. Any attempt to cut anything or reform anything
will be met with total solidarity and lockstep opposition.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:42 AM (r4wIV)

Okay, if Akin wins, we just need Allen in VA to get to 50 even if we LOSE in MA and ME.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:49 AM (M1gmo)

598 Ramesh Ponnuru may be happy, but honestly, how many elections above dog catcher can he win?

you sound very concerned.

I am not confident Brown will win in Massachusetts. He really ought to, his opponent is terrible and her campaign is in tatters, but its Mass, and they reelected Murtha, Kennedy, and Frank like 87 times each.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:51 AM (r4wIV)

599 I really disagree that Obama won the debate. I turned over to MSNBC, and their first response told the tale.

Chris Matthews looked like somebody knocked the wind out of him. The guy with the goatee said that Romney got his points out and was calm, cool, and direct.

Only the loose screws Sharpton and Maddow were hyping an Obama win. Then when the CNN poll came out showing Obama with 48-40 win, Matthews suddenly relaxed.

But the bottom line is their first reaction. And with Romney landing the solid body blows of the first four years being bad for the economy and for the situation in the Middle East (plus ignoring Israel), I think Romney is just more credible.

In addition, Obama's only response seemed to be calling Mitt Romney a liar. And all his plans ring hollow because he's already been in 4 years and the situation has gotten worse.

Romney has the momentum. And there's a reason. Obama has four years of failure. Keep pounding on that.

Posted by: muckdog at October 23, 2012 02:51 AM (aZxcE)

600 When it comes to oil/gas field exploitation and large military weapon systems why are liberals congenitally unable to understand the concept of lead time.

Because the overwhelming majority of them don't work or work in non-jobs: government paper-pushers, "academics", professional students, "social justice advocates".

Most liberals, including the Choomster, would drop stone-cold dead if they had to change a tire. The zombie apocalypse is almost worth rooting for just to see their numbers go down to zero in the first 24 hours.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:51 AM (q5NFp)

601 I have stated before, we need to get rid of the filibuster. We cannot have the Democrats paralyze the process anymore. We cannot ever expect to get to 60 seats it takes to ever get rid of a filibuster.

If the control of the Senate meant the bills got passed, perhaps people would be LESS willing to support Democrat Senators. Too many people can be like John Kerry and have it both ways. No more filibuster means straight up or down votes.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:52 AM (M1gmo)

602 The zombie apocalypse is almost worth rooting for just to see their numbers go down to zero in the first 24 hours.

Posted by: VJay at October 23, 2012 02:51 AM



Huge truth in that.

Posted by: Berserker at October 23, 2012 02:54 AM (FMbng)

603 I'm actually fine with the filibuster, but the Senate has to change its rules. No more phantom filibusters, if they want to do one, they have to show up and stand and talk, without stopping. They can't just threaten one and show votes, they have to carry it out.

That alone would seriously cut back on the use of it, plus it would look really, really bad on camera.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:54 AM (r4wIV)

604 Yeah but how? That's like coming out against wife beating, everyone
wants the US economy to be repaired, everyone wants jobs back. That's
not leadership, its just articulation of everyone's basic concern. The
only reason President Obama is avoiding that is because it focuses
attention on how rotten things are now after 4 years in office.


Reforming entitlements, freeing up energy exploitation, easing government regulation on businesses, getting rid of most of Dodd-Frank, repealing Obamacare...

He's been very specific. I just don't get this "He's been vague" thing. It's like we've been watching two different Romneys.

Posted by: Llarry at October 23, 2012 02:54 AM (JgHoa)

605 M16 Bayonet Stud: How the fuck do it work?!!!?

Posted by: Private No Class Obama at October 23, 2012 02:55 AM (SzAZ7)

606
603
I'm actually fine with the filibuster, but the Senate has to change its
rules. No more phantom filibusters, if they want to do one, they have
to show up and stand and talk, without stopping. They can't just
threaten one and show votes, they have to carry it out.


That alone would seriously cut back on the use of it, plus it would look really, really bad on camera.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:54 AM (r4wIV)

True.
Well, night all. Can't wait to see what the polling shows over the next few days. If Romney keeps the lead, expect the Senate to move with us.

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:55 AM (M1gmo)

607 He's been very specific.

That's not exactly true, though, because you'd have immediately listed that instead of "fix the economy" first.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:56 AM (r4wIV)

608 I came here to kick ass and to suck cock. And wow, I had so much cock to suck I couldn't get around to the ass-kickin'.

Posted by: gerg at October 23, 2012 02:58 AM (SUlmX)

609 you know who the real winner of the night was?

DA BEARS!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 23, 2012 02:58 AM (xsTuT)

610 He's too vague, too without specifics, and too general rather than having a bold, strong direction and agenda. It means he'll have no real mandate as such when he wins; he'll just be the guy we wanted instead of Obama.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2012 02:25 AM (r4wIV)


He doesn't have to be specific. It is detailing too many specifics that keep him away from what ought to be his main point.

He needs to let America know which direction he'll take them, and show them where Obama is taking them and will continue to take them if he is reelected.

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 23, 2012 02:58 AM (sZTYJ)

611 Democrats have absolutely locked up the Senate. Please don't think you'll actually win that, wingnuts.

Silly CAC.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 02:30 AM (rpZo5)


Isn't imprisoning innocent people against their will a violation of the 13th Amendment?

Didn't expect better from the party of the KKK and Grand Kelegal Bobby Byrd.

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 23, 2012 03:00 AM (sZTYJ)

612 Election 2010 and four years of Obama never happened. Romney's going down. Kos and CBS say so.

Posted by: Gergacus at October 23, 2012 03:00 AM (eHIJJ)

613 Forget bayonets......our guys used horses in Afghanistan!

Tonight...Obama fail.

Posted by: kakypat at October 23, 2012 03:00 AM (HUXet)

614 609 you know who the real winner of the night was?

DA BEARS!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 23, 2012 02:58 AM (xsTuT)


Yeah, but what's the rap on Cutler. Is he out long term?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 23, 2012 03:04 AM (TT0X5)

615
@533 I don't think Obama has a chance of losing Ohio. Like I've said many times, he's leading every single poll. And D+8 is absolutely fair. That was the sample in '08, and Obama has put tons of resources into the state this year. Along with the fact that polling itself today slants Republican because it requires landlines.

----------

Ahahah. Bro, I'm gonna miss you after Nov. 7th because I'm sure as shit you will not be here after your guy loses. But seriously, I'm gonna miss gems like "polling itself slants Republican."

Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2012 03:09 AM (pnHKr)

616 That leaves us with 51/49. We keep Heller in NV and Mourdock in IN. We pick up Allen in VA. That's 50/50 w/ Ryan as tie breaker.

I think we get OH and FL. We probably get WI. Probably drag Akin over the finish line.

Not to mention McMahon in CT...

Posted by: NWConservative at October 23, 2012 02:39 AM (M1gmo)


Heller is in trouble.

http://tinyurl.com/9z36uul

Good news in Nevada, though. On the third day of early voting, GOP in Washoe (20% of state's population & home of Reno) had more early voters than the Dems.

No Dem has won statewide without winning Washoe (since at least '98 when Reid won statewide with

For the GOP to do well in Nevada, they need to win Washoe and at least keep Dem lead in Clark County (70% of states population & home of Las Vegas) to
single digits.

Current early vote + absentee:

Percent as of Sunday including absentee ballots:
R 35.8%, D 48.3%, I 15.9%

In 2008: R 24.3%, D 60.2%, I 15.5%.

Total in '08: R 30.6%, D 51.8%, I 17.5%.
Total in '10: R 40.2%, D 44.2%, I 15.7%.

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 23, 2012 03:09 AM (sZTYJ)

617 So how many of these things called aircraft carriers has the US started building in the last 4 years?



Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 23, 2012 03:11 AM (SzAZ7)

618
Okay, if Akin wins, we just need Allen in VA to get to 50 even if we LOSE in MA and ME

---------

North Dakota, Nebraska, Montana, Wisconsin, Virginia. These are our best bets for pick-ups. If we lose MA, it gets us to 50, which is good enough.

Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2012 03:12 AM (pnHKr)

619 And I'm assuming we lose Maine in that.

Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2012 03:13 AM (pnHKr)

620 Hey Greg, I was wondering, what in the holy hell happened to that 7.8% bounce? I mean, the only noticeable bounce was Romney getting to +6-7 in Gallup.

Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2012 03:14 AM (pnHKr)

621 614 nah, they were worried about his ribs
he's good

Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 23, 2012 03:16 AM (xsTuT)

622
OK, I just watched it again (without distractions this time).

Romney was very steady, professional, and presidential the entire time. Obama sputtered at times, and had only three things to say:

1) Everything is much better in the world, thanks to me (when everybody knows that everything isn't great.
2) Romney keeps lying (when evrybody is probably starting to figure out who the real liar is).
3) I was left with a big mess, and if you re-elect a Republican again, that's going back to the same policies that"got us into this mess in the first place" (which is just his "blaming Bush" redux).

Obama even got insulting at one point, trying to accuse Romney of living in the past (i.e., the Cold War).

But another thing I remember is when he spoke of a girl he spoke to at ground zero. Did you guys notice how completely devoid of empathy and compassion he had for her? He was happy to use his few moments with her to try to score a few political points, but was not moved by her story in the slightest - it'sjust another reason to pat himself on the back. (It's the NPD - people with it lack empathy).

Yeah, get used to saying "President Romney".

Posted by: Optimizer at October 23, 2012 03:20 AM (R4cjW)

623 621 614 nah, they were worried about his ribs
he's good
Posted by: navycopjoe has an iphone5 and you don't at October 23, 2012 03:16 AM (xsTuT)


Cool.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at October 23, 2012 03:24 AM (TT0X5)

624 ______________________________

Good work, Optimizer.

So many new and vibrant aspect of a debate are drawn out when seen a second time.

Some will argue that such observations are all but useless because most debate-watchers only watch once and won't notice the critical nuances you've detected.

But this is wrongheaded for a very important reason: There is no such thing as the "average" single debate-watcher. Rather, there are millions upon millions of average debate watchers. So the critical nuances you detect by observing the debate a second time are always detected by some significant percentage of those layers of millions of watchers.

In other words: Romney's generally superior performance generally registers as preferable over Obama's generally inferior performance.
And we don't need polls to confirm this. (Though they tend to.)

By watching the debate a second time, often we can determine who was clearly the better. Like you, I make a point to watch all debates a second time.

Clear and obvious Leader and all around Winner: Romney.









Posted by: _Dave_ at October 23, 2012 03:31 AM (J+Q+d)

625 Aircraft Carriers are big fucking boats.

Posted by: Joey Biden at October 23, 2012 03:36 AM (8/bPb)

626
"587 And Akin in Missouri. He's going to win, despite the hysteria a few weeks ago here and around America. But I still don't think it will add up enough for the Republicans to actually get a majority in the Senate...."


That's encouraging about MO, but I think you're miscalculating the odds of a Republican majority. Suppose we lose MA and ME, for the moment, but we will also pick up NE and ND. That's 47.

But, there's also roughly a 50/50 chance of wins in 6 other races: OH, VA, WI, MT, MA, and FL. Odds are, we get about 1/2 of those, which brings us to 50. There's also a less-than-even chance for CT, MI, and (I'd say) MO.

The odds of <50 are about 25%, the odds of 50 are about 25%, and the odds of >50% are about 50%. But if we're getting MO, as you say, the odds of getting at least50 are great!

Posted by: Optimizer at October 23, 2012 03:38 AM (R4cjW)

627
Take home message out of the debate:


Obama giving desperate shout outs to Michigan, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania.

Enough said.

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 23, 2012 03:41 AM (RstsB)

628 Lingle has a longshot chance in Hawaii.

Posted by: kawika at October 23, 2012 03:41 AM (8/bPb)

629 Let's say, for example, you have a child that argues with you that he wants a cookie. He'll scream and cry and demand that you give it to him, and you might decide to do so because it's easier.

But even though he 'won' the argument, you wouldn't trust him with grown-up tasks after such a display.

Posted by: TLGM at October 23, 2012 03:42 AM (appbn)

630 Did all you morons here this last night...

"We know that Pakistan has arrested the doctor who helped us catch Obama bin Laden," Schieffer said. "It still provides safe haven for terrorists, yet we continue to give Pakistan billions of dollars. Is it time for us to divorce Pakistan?"

Posted by: Verdad at October 23, 2012 03:46 AM (65nBk)

631 I'd say our odds of winnin the CT seat are better than Fla. Mack has been waaay behind for a while.

Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2012 03:51 AM (pnHKr)

632 Ad for Conn: obama's joke + subtitle, Mr President, Submarines are Boats

Ad for Norfolk: Obama's joke, with laughter, over pictures of idle wrenches and cold welders

Posted by: Jean at October 23, 2012 03:58 AM (ytax8)

633 And if you want to get mean, include an unemployment line of black folks

Posted by: Jean at October 23, 2012 03:59 AM (ytax8)

634 Did anyone besides me notice how depressed BO looked at the end of the debate when he greeted Michelle vs. how excited Romney looked when he was greeting Ann?

Posted by: Ohiovoter at October 23, 2012 04:04 AM (AkFx3)

635 But another thing I remember is when he spoke of a girl he spoke to at ground zero. Did you guys notice how completely devoid of empathy and compassion he had for her?

Posted by: Optimizer at October 23, 2012 03:20 AM (R4cjW)


It was like fingernails on a chalkboard.

"I want to tell you about this really emotionally touching time someone thanked me for something I take credit for every five minutes."

It was like he copied the image of Romney's anecdotes without understanding the substance.

Romney says he talked to people who taught him things, like about a need or a problem.

Obama said he talked to someone who confirmed his own anecdotal story of his success.

How creepy is that?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at October 23, 2012 04:44 AM (bxiXv)

636 Obama said he talked to someone who confirmed his own anecdotal story of his success.

How creepy is that?


Ted Bundy's estate should sue him for royalties.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 23, 2012 04:53 AM (ogdab)

637 Romney won with an informed audience.
Obama won with an uninformed audience.

When arguing truth with a liar the liar depends on ignorance and propaganda to give him the win.

Posted by: Mekan at October 23, 2012 05:25 AM (T/L2Z)

638 This ones over. Stick a fork in O. Probably 51-49 or 52-48 R. Just about sweeps the swings. Maybe 300 EV.

O tried to disqualify R. Not a winning strategy when R isn't a bad guy.

The election thus reverts to O s performance. He said it himself: he'd be a one term proposition if the economy wasn't substantially improved. It may be better, but its not enough.

You can't suddenly shift to a positive message with two weeks left. Makes you seem desperate.

He is, because he's going to lose.

The only thing left is whether the Senate goes R. Then O Care gets tossed via reconciliation.

Posted by: Interested Party at October 23, 2012 05:25 AM (m0wZz)

639
Is it possible that the Senate remaining in Dem hands actually helps Romney, allowing "soft Dem" voters to vote for him knowing that he'll be on a tighter leash?

Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 23, 2012 06:08 AM (RstsB)

640 639
Is it possible that the Senate remaining in Dem hands actually helps Romney, allowing "soft Dem" voters to vote for him knowing that he'll be on a tighter leash?
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 23, 2012 06:08 AM (RstsB)


We need the Senate to repeal O-care as well as pass legislation and judicial nominees unhindered.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 06:23 AM (+tqYo)

641 639
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 23, 2012 06:08 AM (RstsB)

Dems NEVER cross the aisle to side with a Republican. It would be political suicide. Unlike our side where it's considered virtuous. Feh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 06:26 AM (+tqYo)

642 Morning all, but "centrist" Lieberman crossed the aisle 17% of the time!

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 06:30 AM (YdQQY)

643 There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.

Posted by: George Orwell at October 23, 2012 06:37 AM (feFL6)

644 Just checked on Lieberman as 17% rating was old. 20 last year, 4 in 2010 and 15 lifetime.


But he is a centrist.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 06:41 AM (YdQQY)

645 Obama won this election when the voter ID laws were tossed out.

Case in point, I live in NV. No ID is required. California which is a lock is allegedly busing in voters to flip the lever for Obama. In addition, I investigate fraud (not voter fraud). I've uncovered a pattern of illegal alliens with false SSNs, many of whom are registered to vote. Of those registered, they are all registered as Democrats.

Don't fool yourself folks, the fix is in

Posted by: TheGAGLine at October 23, 2012 06:41 AM (EXZZI)

646 48 this site provides more humor than the net output of Stewart and Colbert combined

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What doesn't?

Posted by: edj at October 23, 2012 06:44 AM (3ryAQ)

647 642 Morning all, but "centrist" Lieberman crossed the aisle 17% of the time!
Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 06:30 AM (YdQQY)

Morning Vic. And look what crossing the aisle got for Joe.

Excommunication.

He's also a very hard liberal. The only exception being foreign policy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 06:51 AM (+tqYo)

648 Truthfully, it comes down to this: who in their right mind wants four more years of listening to BHO's voice ,his arrogance, and narcisssism!

Posted by: shelby at October 23, 2012 06:54 AM (TKaeM)

649 I went to be early and missed this haymaker from Romney, in response to SCOAMF talking about the US dictating to other nations:

"We do not dictate to other nations. We liberate them."

Boom!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 06:55 AM (+tqYo)

650 The only exception being foreign policy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 06:51 AM (+tqYo)

Only when it deals with Israel

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 06:55 AM (YdQQY)

651 But Obama would have a rating of 10E-99

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 06:56 AM (YdQQY)

652 Or would that be -99

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 06:58 AM (YdQQY)

653 We need a headline thread.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 23, 2012 07:00 AM (+tqYo)

654 News up

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

655
648 Truthfully, it comes down to this: who in their right mind wants four more years of listening to BHO's voice ,his arrogance, and narcisssism!

Posted by: shelby at October 23, 2012 06:54 AM

I do. I think that sexy, handsome Barry Obama guy is the greatest ever.

Posted by: B. Harry O'bama at October 23, 2012 07:04 AM (yBF/9)

656 Obama = Philadelphia Eagles
Romney = New York Giants

One guy wins head to head, but the other guy wins the thing that matters the most


Posted by: The Q at October 23, 2012 12:11 AM (B/yDO)
according to that analogy, that means one guy is very prone to fumbling the nuclear football.

Posted by: Bratticus Wurst at October 23, 2012 07:19 AM (0mFdy)

657 I watched it on ABC, and in the split screen, Romney's camera was shaking while Obama was talking, usually around the time Obama was wrapping up his statement. It was like they were trying to make Romney look nervous or agitated. Very subtle. And Romney appeared to be smaller in the split screen too,like the camera was not focused quite as close to him as Obama.

Obama kept making annoying interjections,and saynig, "Bob...Bob.......Bob". When he wasn't doing that, hewould stareat Schieffer as if that was Schieffer's cue to let him interrupt Romney.Petulant.

Romneybrilliantly deflected the hypothetical "Israel calls to say they're bombing Iran", althoughit was such an obvious "Gotcha" setupthat any good politician could sidestep that freight train.

Posted by: 66chevelle at October 23, 2012 07:20 AM (QjSgY)

658 "He's running for country club golf champion."
Posted by: JB at October 23, 2012 12:14 AM (xVcWj)

He's gonna put on fifty pounds, grow a mini 'fro like he had in high school, and choom around Hawaii on a golf cart with Bobby Titcomb.

Posted by: 66chevelle at October 23, 2012 07:28 AM (QjSgY)

659 I was telling wifey the exact same thing.

Rombley had a larger strategy while TFG was small.

I also think that if Rombley made the present-ident look to small, it could embolden more attacks where we have disarmed marines and seals.

Rombley did it for the troops.

Posted by: sTevo at October 23, 2012 07:57 AM (VMcEw)

660 I wake up to quotes of weird CNN and PPP polls?

Have we learned nothing about polls this year?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 23, 2012 08:40 AM (uD2fR)

661 Why do I get an erection when someone says the word "poll" ... or "pole," actually? I REALLY like poles.

Posted by: Greg at October 23, 2012 09:21 AM (LTbLf)

662
On the question of who was qualified to be Commander in Chief: 60% said Romney was.


63% said Obama was.


Math moves #foward.


{and why do comments keep going to the wrong posts?)

Posted by: Gerry at October 23, 2012 09:24 AM (OY1go)

663 Hey, have fun, Truman! I signed up but I'm in a deep blue state, so who knows if they will need me.

Posted by: PJ at October 23, 2012 11:48 AM (DQHjw)

664 It looked like a Romney win to me!

Posted by: Frank S at October 23, 2012 12:15 PM (B9edC)

665 Bank it:

Obama's going down like a crack ho when the fleet's in town.

Posted by: An Observation at October 23, 2012 01:17 PM (ylhEn)






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