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CIA: Hey We Knew Benghazi Was A Terrorist Attack On Day 1
Alternate title: CIA to Obama: Hey Barry, you know what's "not optimal"? Your sorry ass.
The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours of last month's deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate that there was evidence it was carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset about an American-made video ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press. It is unclear who, if anyone, saw the cable outside the CIA at that point and how high up in the agency the information went. The Obama administration maintained publicly for a week that the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was a result of the mobs that staged less-deadly protests across the Muslim world around the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks on the U.S.I love them hemming and hawing about "how far up the chain did this go?". That's just the AP covering for their boyfriend. Remember how people (rightly) complained about the CIA pretty much openly engaging in war against George W. Bush (think the ridiculous 2007 NIE on Iran's nuclear program)? Everyone talked about how the CIA was actually a hotbed of liberals. That may or may not be true but it's clear their political allegiance is first and foremost to their agency. I'm not getting into kooky, "the spies are staging a take over" stuff but there is a much broader problem here with the CIA that needs to be straightened out. But that's a long term thing. In the near term, it's another line Mitt gets to use at the foreign policy "debate" on Monday (if the "moderator" shuts up long enough to let him).
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Well Duh.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 19, 2012 10:16 AM (kc2b9)
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Where does Schieffer live? Maybe I can sneak into his house and steal his talkin' teeth.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:17 AM (+tqYo)
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17th!
Posted by: RWC at October 19, 2012 10:19 AM (fWAjv)
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Was it Sean Smith who was a gamer?
Posted by: RWC at October 19, 2012 10:20 AM (fWAjv)
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amazing that the scoamf wouldn't tell the grieving mother who begged him to tell her truth anything about the death of her son Sean Smith....yet he gave a private answer to voter Kerry Ladka after the debate......that to me is amazing.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 at October 19, 2012 10:20 AM (Ho2rs)
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But.. but.. the intelligence agencies were ALL telling us it was over the YouTube tape!!!!! For weeks!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 19, 2012 10:21 AM (f9c2L)
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The Obama administration maintained publicly for a week that the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi.........
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Ummmm......That meme from the White House lasted a lot longer than a week.
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Ummmm......That meme from the White House lasted a lot longer than a week.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 19, 2012 10:22 AM (C8hzL)
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Yes.. Sean Smith was the gamer who messaged he saw their local "guards" taking photos of the compound.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 19, 2012 10:22 AM (f9c2L)
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The CIA just put the bus up on blocks.
Posted by: eman at October 19, 2012 10:22 AM (+XD7n)
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JEF probably saw an email from the CIA and thought it was his weekly C%cks in My A$$ update, and wanted to save it for Sunday morning "me" time.
Posted by: Bruce at October 19, 2012 10:22 AM (vs/Oq)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 at October 19, 2012 10:23 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: rickb223 at October 19, 2012 10:24 AM (cG4sp)
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It is unclear who, if anyone, saw the cable outside the CIA at that point and how high up in the agency the information went.
Yeah, because the CIA station chief at the site of a major terrorist attack that killed a U.S. ambassador routinely dispatches his analysis with with the preface: "Not to be seen outside of direct middle management".
What a joke. If it weren't so deadly, it would be hilarious to watch these retards flail around with this "we're not corrupt and evil -- just ignorant and incompetent!" shtick.
Yeah, because the CIA station chief at the site of a major terrorist attack that killed a U.S. ambassador routinely dispatches his analysis with with the preface: "Not to be seen outside of direct middle management".
What a joke. If it weren't so deadly, it would be hilarious to watch these retards flail around with this "we're not corrupt and evil -- just ignorant and incompetent!" shtick.
Posted by: VJay at October 19, 2012 10:25 AM (q5NFp)
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Whoever was pushing "normalization" of the Benghazi mission is responsible for the lack of security. I can't imagine that decision being made by anyone lower than Hillary. And I can't imagine Hillary not clearing that with Obama. Pretending things areA-OK with Islam, a nice summary being "normalization," seems to be administration policy on everything Islam. That, and "deception."
Whoever was pushing "normalization" of the Benghazi mission is responsible for the lack of security. I can't imagine that decision being made by anyone lower than Hillary. And I can't imagine Hillary not clearing that with Obama. Pretending things areA-OK with Islam, a nice summary being "normalization," seems to be administration policy on everything Islam. That, and "deception."
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 10:26 AM (sOtz/)
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This is a big f*cking deal!
Posted by: Grimacing Joe Biden at October 19, 2012 10:26 AM (OiC7K)
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there is a much broader problem here with the CIA that needs to be straightened out. But that's a long term thing
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True.
Problem being that the culture there is so entrenched that any attempt to reign them in, such as making Porter Goss the agency head, failed in part because the senior career officers there intentionally undercut his efforts.
If Romney appoints a new head of the CIA to replace Petraeus, it needs to be someone who has a strong backbone and stand up to that kind of bullshit.
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True.
Problem being that the culture there is so entrenched that any attempt to reign them in, such as making Porter Goss the agency head, failed in part because the senior career officers there intentionally undercut his efforts.
If Romney appoints a new head of the CIA to replace Petraeus, it needs to be someone who has a strong backbone and stand up to that kind of bullshit.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:26 AM (e0xKF)
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You know, it wasn't that long ago when the CIA and other agencies were leaking information to make Bush look bad for partisan purposes. I wonder if the people who did that are happy with Obama making shit up to make them look bad.
Posted by: Voluble at October 19, 2012 10:27 AM (qYvEa)
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Was this intentional?: In today's NYT there's a pic of Bruce Springsteen with the 0bama "Forward" banner behind him. But it's cropped so that it appears "FORWAR".
Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 19, 2012 10:27 AM (bg/Pg)
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One of the prime suspects his chilling out drinking strawberry frappes.
http://is.gd/VkAspW
If you read down to the last three paragraphs, make sure you have a pillow on your desk to avoid injury to your head.
http://is.gd/VkAspW
If you read down to the last three paragraphs, make sure you have a pillow on your desk to avoid injury to your head.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at October 19, 2012 10:27 AM (/kI1Q)
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The plan to blame the attack on a video was a twofer for al-obama using the "never let a crisis go to waste" mentality. First was to distract from the administration's failure to protect our people. Second was to use the incident to add leverage to restrict freedom of speech. I suppose it also evolved into an angle to bow to muzzies given what he also said in his UN speech - "The future does not belong to those who insult islam". That really is a telling, and chilling, statement. God help us if we don't get him and his ilk out of office.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:27 AM (ToMJU)
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I love them hemming and hawing about "how far up the chain did this go?". That's just the AP covering for their boyfriend.
The MSM just can't quit Choomy yet, can they. But, of all people, it looks like CBS (yeah, like who'd a thunk?) appears to be ready to file for divorce.
The MSM just can't quit Choomy yet, can they. But, of all people, it looks like CBS (yeah, like who'd a thunk?) appears to be ready to file for divorce.
Posted by: docj at October 19, 2012 10:27 AM (A5uiv)
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Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 19, 2012 10:28 AM (8y9MW)
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I think CIA gave weapons to Libyan "rebels". It has been already reported Amb Stevens was in Benghazi to get the weapons back. It has been already reported that weapon from Libya are pouring into Gaza and used against Israeli helicopters.
The administration is running from the collapse of its ME policy. But I think the CIA was very pro-Obama in that they are also Islamicists.
CIA will not turn on the JEF but they will defend themselves. The most that will happen is that a midlevel functionary will take the hit for not forwarding the intel up the chain fast enough.
But it is all a lie. They knew it was terrorism all along. I think the cover up is to hide the level of cooperation they have with regimes that are enemies of the United States, like the Muslim Brotherhood
The administration is running from the collapse of its ME policy. But I think the CIA was very pro-Obama in that they are also Islamicists.
CIA will not turn on the JEF but they will defend themselves. The most that will happen is that a midlevel functionary will take the hit for not forwarding the intel up the chain fast enough.
But it is all a lie. They knew it was terrorism all along. I think the cover up is to hide the level of cooperation they have with regimes that are enemies of the United States, like the Muslim Brotherhood
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:28 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: General Woundwort at October 19, 2012 10:29 AM (06lNq)
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Yes, they knew that "the tape done it" was a lie.
But, remember what he told the guy after the debate? Something like, they had to go with the lie as part of a disinformation campaign while they were hot on the tail of the real perps?
And that is the cover the media will give him.
Which then points to a drone strike that "kills" some "responsible" terrorists either tomorrow or Sunday night.
Damn, do these tinfoil hats always get tighter the longer you wear them?
But, remember what he told the guy after the debate? Something like, they had to go with the lie as part of a disinformation campaign while they were hot on the tail of the real perps?
And that is the cover the media will give him.
Which then points to a drone strike that "kills" some "responsible" terrorists either tomorrow or Sunday night.
Damn, do these tinfoil hats always get tighter the longer you wear them?
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 19, 2012 10:29 AM (imtbm)
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did anyone bring this up? from yahoo news:
Vice President Joe Biden used controversial language to describe the GOP agenda in an exchange with an audience member in Las Vegas Thursday.
Biden referenced "Young Guns," the book the Republican vice presidential nominee, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., co-wrote with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., in his speech to union workers at the Culinary Academy of Las Vegas Events Center.
"They have guns but no bullets," a member of the crowd shouted.
"Unfortunately, the bullets are aimed at you," Biden replied, pointing at the man who had spoken and prompting laughter from the audience.
The vice president added that Republicans were dividing the country by talking about "a culture of dependency."
http://tinyurl.com/9mq9ypp
Biden: the gift that keeps on giving to the wrong party
Vice President Joe Biden used controversial language to describe the GOP agenda in an exchange with an audience member in Las Vegas Thursday.
Biden referenced "Young Guns," the book the Republican vice presidential nominee, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., co-wrote with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., in his speech to union workers at the Culinary Academy of Las Vegas Events Center.
"They have guns but no bullets," a member of the crowd shouted.
"Unfortunately, the bullets are aimed at you," Biden replied, pointing at the man who had spoken and prompting laughter from the audience.
The vice president added that Republicans were dividing the country by talking about "a culture of dependency."
http://tinyurl.com/9mq9ypp
Biden: the gift that keeps on giving to the wrong party
Posted by: mallfly at October 19, 2012 10:29 AM (bJm7W)
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So Fast and Furious becomes, False and Spurious?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:30 AM (+tqYo)
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But, of all people, it looks like CBS (yeah, like who'd a thunk?) appears to be ready to file for divorce.
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If you believe in the Bill W method, you have to hit rock bottom in order to have a moment of clarity.
CBS News has been heading down that direction for about 8 years now thanks to Rathergate.
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If you believe in the Bill W method, you have to hit rock bottom in order to have a moment of clarity.
CBS News has been heading down that direction for about 8 years now thanks to Rathergate.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:30 AM (e0xKF)
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Don't underestimate the ongoing desire to limit our free speech rights. I've been posting about that here periodically for at least four years. Probably nobody noticed, but I have been. It's an OIC, Muslim Brotherhood, UN, EU effort going back about a decade or more perhaps. The writing was on the wall by 1990 with the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam: all sharia all the time, screw your decadent western 'universal' free speech rights.
Islamic cashspeaks volumes. FromHarvard and Georgetown to Foggy Bottom and theWhite House.
Don't underestimate the ongoing desire to limit our free speech rights. I've been posting about that here periodically for at least four years. Probably nobody noticed, but I have been. It's an OIC, Muslim Brotherhood, UN, EU effort going back about a decade or more perhaps. The writing was on the wall by 1990 with the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam: all sharia all the time, screw your decadent western 'universal' free speech rights.
Islamic cashspeaks volumes. FromHarvard and Georgetown to Foggy Bottom and theWhite House.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 10:31 AM (sOtz/)
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DNI Clapper is now officially dead-bureaucrat-walking.
Posted by: docj at October 19, 2012 10:31 AM (A5uiv)
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Whoever was pushing "normalization" of the Benghazi mission is responsible for the lack of security. I can't imagine that decision being made by anyone lower than Hillary. And I can't imagine Hillary not clearing that with Obama. Pretending things areA-OK with Islam, a nice summary being "normalization," seems to be administration policy on everything Islam. That, and "deception."
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 10:26 AM (sOtz/)
This is indeed the heart of the matter and the true reason for the cover-up.
No State Department person lower than Hillary is going to refuse the requests from an Ambassador unless it is policy to do so.
Obama's policies made this attack possible. He is directly responsible for the "not optimal" outcome.
Everybody in D.C. knows this and that is why the clamps are on so damn tight.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 10:26 AM (sOtz/)
This is indeed the heart of the matter and the true reason for the cover-up.
No State Department person lower than Hillary is going to refuse the requests from an Ambassador unless it is policy to do so.
Obama's policies made this attack possible. He is directly responsible for the "not optimal" outcome.
Everybody in D.C. knows this and that is why the clamps are on so damn tight.
Posted by: eman at October 19, 2012 10:31 AM (+XD7n)
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Look, I am doing the best job that I possibly can. I have fundraisers to attend, campaign speeches to make and another debate to prepare for. I can focus effectively on my job once I win this election thingy. Frankly, if I wasn't black I highly doubt that I would be catching so much crap for this.
I bet none of you haters even knew where Benghazi was before this less than optimal event happened.
I bet none of you haters even knew where Benghazi was before this less than optimal event happened.
Posted by: P*I*N*O / President in Name Only at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (4eNxd)
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24 @16
Simple solution:
Fire everyone.
Everyone?
EVERYONEEEEEEEE
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Can't argue with that. Dump everyone from the execs down to the secretaries and the guy making coffee down in the cafeteria.
Simple solution:
Fire everyone.
Everyone?
EVERYONEEEEEEEE
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Can't argue with that. Dump everyone from the execs down to the secretaries and the guy making coffee down in the cafeteria.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (e0xKF)
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I'm still trying to understand why teh Administration would maintain the fiction "A Movie Caused It" for as long as they did. It's just stupid.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (Soe3/)
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True.
Problem being that the culture there is so entrenched that any
attempt to reign them in, such as making Porter Goss the agency head,
failed in part because the senior career officers there intentionally
undercut his efforts.
If Romney appoints a new head of the CIA to replace Petraeus, it
needs to be someone who has a strong backbone and stand up to that kind
of bullshit.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:26 AM (e0xKF)
Also needed, a president who will back a new CIA director to the hilt while he does the nasty business of cleaning the place up. I'm not sure Goss had the stomach for it, but I don't think he got a lot of help from the White House either.
Problem being that the culture there is so entrenched that any
attempt to reign them in, such as making Porter Goss the agency head,
failed in part because the senior career officers there intentionally
undercut his efforts.
If Romney appoints a new head of the CIA to replace Petraeus, it
needs to be someone who has a strong backbone and stand up to that kind
of bullshit.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:26 AM (e0xKF)
Also needed, a president who will back a new CIA director to the hilt while he does the nasty business of cleaning the place up. I'm not sure Goss had the stomach for it, but I don't think he got a lot of help from the White House either.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (qEkGZ)
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@28 - I happen to be a Friend of Bill W, if you know what I mean. That's an excellent point.
Posted by: docj at October 19, 2012 10:33 AM (A5uiv)
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Rasmussen Florida: Romney 51-46.
Posted by: VBJonny at October 19, 2012 10:33 AM (YUUp8)
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There is a HuuUGGGEEE amount of suadi money that funds Georgetown. Georgetown has the School for Foreign Service program, which Madeliene Albright taught at, and Bill Clinton is close to. They also graduate a large number of people who end up in the CIA or State department. All big Islamicists. All with very romantic ideas about the ME and its ability to govern themseleves
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:34 AM (Dnbau)
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during the last debate ... when the crowd clapped at the Libya dust up I thought it would have been great for Romney to look up at the crowd and say "Nice applause, so this is a crowd of undecided voters ? maybe not ..."
Posted by: JeffC at October 19, 2012 10:35 AM (A3tpD)
Posted by: The Talented Mrs. Riply at October 19, 2012 10:35 AM (NF2Bf)
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I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that we have an administration that, rather than admit they were wrong about their claims of destroying al Qaeda and protecting our citizens, they fabricate a story and in so doing take the side of the attackers and use the 4 dead embassy staffers as pawns so they can hold on to power. And a disgusting media all too eager to help with the cover up.
Thank G-d that this fucking nightmare is almost over.
Thank G-d that this fucking nightmare is almost over.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:35 AM (+tqYo)
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I'd wagernot, but did the House Oversight Committee ever get a straight answer on who ordered "normalization"? I've got the report and transcript in front of me, but man it's long.
I'd wagernot, but did the House Oversight Committee ever get a straight answer on who ordered "normalization"? I've got the report and transcript in front of me, but man it's long.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (sOtz/)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:35 AM (+tqYo)
Don't forget about throwing an innocent man in jail for 1st Amendment "violations"... whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. I know they used parole violations but they wanted him in jail for supposedly abusing his 1st amendment right.
ಠ_ಠ
Don't forget about throwing an innocent man in jail for 1st Amendment "violations"... whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. I know they used parole violations but they wanted him in jail for supposedly abusing his 1st amendment right.
ಠ_ಠ
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (UZQM8)
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OT:
Remember Joseph Lowery's incoherent and racialist homily at SCOAMF's inauguration?
I hope Mitt uses the black pastor who made the video critical of blacks for continuing their enslavement to the Dems.
Just a thought.
Remember Joseph Lowery's incoherent and racialist homily at SCOAMF's inauguration?
I hope Mitt uses the black pastor who made the video critical of blacks for continuing their enslavement to the Dems.
Just a thought.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (+tqYo)
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34 I'm still trying to understand why teh Administration would maintain the fiction "A Movie Caused It" for as long as they did. It's just stupid.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (Soe3/)
There's many aspects to this, as others have noted, but the bottom line is the video crap was going to be a tool to accomplish many things. Amoung them, I believe it evolved into a mid-east version of Fast and Furious. If the administration could get past the cover-up, then this "hateful, vile" video would have been used in an attempt to restrict our freedom of speech, sharia style.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (Soe3/)
There's many aspects to this, as others have noted, but the bottom line is the video crap was going to be a tool to accomplish many things. Amoung them, I believe it evolved into a mid-east version of Fast and Furious. If the administration could get past the cover-up, then this "hateful, vile" video would have been used in an attempt to restrict our freedom of speech, sharia style.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (ToMJU)
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I'm not sure Goss had the stomach for it, but I don't think he got a lot of help from the White House either.
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If Wiki is to be believed, Goss got fucked over by Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, who later became Deputy SecState under Condi Rice.
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If Wiki is to be believed, Goss got fucked over by Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, who later became Deputy SecState under Condi Rice.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Redd at October 19, 2012 10:38 AM (RoEtU)
Posted by: ObamaLosesFlorida at October 19, 2012 10:38 AM (dX4hn)
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"Unfortunately, the bullets are aimed at you," Biden replied
Imagine the pants-shitting hysteria that would be erupting in the MSM if a Republican had said that.
"Unfortunately, the bullets are aimed at you," Biden replied
Imagine the pants-shitting hysteria that would be erupting in the MSM if a Republican had said that.
Posted by: Jaws at October 19, 2012 10:38 AM (4I3Uo)
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43 Posted by: cajun carrot at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (UZQM
Meant to get that in, but I'm still under the weather. And speaking of that, is Nakoula still in the LA Jail???
Lubyanka on the Pacific. G-d help us.
Meant to get that in, but I'm still under the weather. And speaking of that, is Nakoula still in the LA Jail???
Lubyanka on the Pacific. G-d help us.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:38 AM (+tqYo)
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All big Islamicists. All with very romantic ideas about the ME and its ability to govern themseleves
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I wonder if they have an Edward Said Chair at Georgetown...
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I wonder if they have an Edward Said Chair at Georgetown...
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:39 AM (e0xKF)
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The agency is for itself as a defensive mode but make no mistake, they are full of liberal headed bureaucrats. There is a vast difference in how they are 'defending' themselves now and how they tried to undermine Bush.
Posted by: polynikes at October 19, 2012 10:39 AM (m2CN7)
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>>>Remember Joseph Lowery's incoherent and racialist homily at SCOAMF's inauguration?
I don't know how they got away with that bullshit.
I don't know how they got away with that bullshit.
Posted by: Redd at October 19, 2012 10:39 AM (RoEtU)
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There is a huge difference between saying, "We are still getting information in" and "It was a video!!!!!!"
The first is truthful but it shows the emperor in a bad light by admitting ignorance. While the second shows the sheep that the emperor is 'doing something' though its completely useless. And in the meantime a poor guy is in jail for his protection since the President threw him under the bus.
This administration is criminal. But I repeat myself.
The first is truthful but it shows the emperor in a bad light by admitting ignorance. While the second shows the sheep that the emperor is 'doing something' though its completely useless. And in the meantime a poor guy is in jail for his protection since the President threw him under the bus.
This administration is criminal. But I repeat myself.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 19, 2012 10:39 AM (6W127)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 19, 2012 10:39 AM (JWLqy)
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If Wiki is to be believed, Goss got fucked over by
Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, who later became
Deputy SecState under Condi Rice.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (e0xKF)
That wouldn't surprise me either. Someone or several someones surely left him hanging out to dry, and W didn't cover himself with glory backing him up either. I had high hopes for Goss...liked him a lot before he took that job, but he surely didn't much of anything done, for whatever reason or reasons.
Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, who later became
Deputy SecState under Condi Rice.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (e0xKF)
That wouldn't surprise me either. Someone or several someones surely left him hanging out to dry, and W didn't cover himself with glory backing him up either. I had high hopes for Goss...liked him a lot before he took that job, but he surely didn't much of anything done, for whatever reason or reasons.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 19, 2012 10:40 AM (qEkGZ)
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Doesn't matter how far up the chain it went. obama is in charge and if the arrogant lying piece of shit has the nerve to personally take credit for killing bin laden, then guess what? barry you own this!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 19, 2012 10:40 AM (oSFWF)
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I think it bears pointing out, in that "not optimal" soundbite, that Jon Stewart was *not* referring to the attack itself. He specifically mentioned the response.
It was Obama who volunteered that 4 murdered Americans was "not optimal."
Just to be clear.
It was Obama who volunteered that 4 murdered Americans was "not optimal."
Just to be clear.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 19, 2012 10:40 AM (8y9MW)
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I think Petraeus' hands are tied.
If he speaks up and throws the blame where it belongs, it will be seen as vengeance for Hillary's "stretching credibility" remarks at the Surge hearings.
If he speaks up and throws the blame where it belongs, it will be seen as vengeance for Hillary's "stretching credibility" remarks at the Surge hearings.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (+tqYo)
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... it's clear their political allegiance is first and foremost to their agency.
I'm not getting into kooky, "the spies are staging a take over" stuff but there is a much broader problem here with the CIA that needs to be straightened out.
Since when is CIA greater than the US?
I'm not getting into kooky, "the spies are staging a take over" stuff but there is a much broader problem here with the CIA that needs to be straightened out.
Since when is CIA greater than the US?
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (OisvX)
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Too bad the CIA can't do it job competently (if it were as good at gathering intelligence as leaking to a compliant press, it would really bea boon for the country). It should be abolished.
Posted by: ejo at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (GXvSO)
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Betcha anything that Schieffer tries to steer clear of Benghazi altogether. He'll come up with some construct that this debate is about the next four years and what each candidate will do in foreign policy if he is elected, not a rehash of the last four years. There is no way he will allow Romney to beat up Obama on this. He is as much in the tank as Raddatz and Crowley were.
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (aBlZ1)
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No wonder the D.C. bigshots hate frakking and drilling so much.
All that sweet ME oil money will dry up.
All that sweet ME oil money will dry up.
Posted by: eman at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (+XD7n)
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but there is a much broader problem here with the CIA that needs to be straightened out.
It's called a purge. We need it to be run like a spy agency and not some fucking drama club.
It's called a purge. We need it to be run like a spy agency and not some fucking drama club.
Posted by: EC at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (GQ8sn)
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53 I don't know how they got away with that bullshit.
Posted by: Redd at October 19, 2012 10:39 AM (RoEtU)
Three words: "I Won"
Posted by: Redd at October 19, 2012 10:39 AM (RoEtU)
Three words: "I Won"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (+tqYo)
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Sgt. Candy Crowley Schultz: President Wonderful knew nothing! Nothing! It says so right here in my talking points
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 19, 2012 10:42 AM (1Jaio)
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"I'm not getting into kooky, "the spies are staging a take over" stuff
but there is a much broader problem here with the CIA that needs to be
straightened out. But that's a long term thing."
It is my opinion that our collective image of the CIA as a bumbling, inept, organization has been carefully crafted by the agency. Every stumble and misstep makes it into the NY Times and Washington Post, but any successes are buried and sealed for 25 years.
That is not to say that there aren't people at Langley who are operating as political animals. I am sure that there are. Just like any other organization (public or private sector), there are yes men and sycophants who get ahead by kissing ass and sabotaging their competition.
CIA, which is a clandestine organization, is more likely to publish NIE's that give misinformation than the truth. The 2007 Iranian nuke info is case in point. They may have said that Iran's program was a no-go in their NIE, but the "stuxnet" operation leads me to believe that they thought otherwise. Those kinds of operations don't happen overnight, and "stuxnet" was probably at some planning stage when the NIE was issued.
but there is a much broader problem here with the CIA that needs to be
straightened out. But that's a long term thing."
It is my opinion that our collective image of the CIA as a bumbling, inept, organization has been carefully crafted by the agency. Every stumble and misstep makes it into the NY Times and Washington Post, but any successes are buried and sealed for 25 years.
That is not to say that there aren't people at Langley who are operating as political animals. I am sure that there are. Just like any other organization (public or private sector), there are yes men and sycophants who get ahead by kissing ass and sabotaging their competition.
CIA, which is a clandestine organization, is more likely to publish NIE's that give misinformation than the truth. The 2007 Iranian nuke info is case in point. They may have said that Iran's program was a no-go in their NIE, but the "stuxnet" operation leads me to believe that they thought otherwise. Those kinds of operations don't happen overnight, and "stuxnet" was probably at some planning stage when the NIE was issued.
Posted by: elliot at October 19, 2012 10:42 AM (blkVM)
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Spooks, can't live with them, can't have them all executed.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at October 19, 2012 10:42 AM (QupBk)
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Don't forget about throwing an innocent man in jail for 1st Amendment "violations"... whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. I know they used parole violations but they wanted him in jail for supposedly abusing his 1st amendment right. ಠ_ಠ
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (UZQM
I still maintain that that video clip was sponsored by the Islamic radicals themselves to use as their Reichstag fire.
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (UZQM
I still maintain that that video clip was sponsored by the Islamic radicals themselves to use as their Reichstag fire.
Posted by: polynikes at October 19, 2012 10:42 AM (m2CN7)
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He is as much in the tank as Raddatz and Crowley were.
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (aBlZ1)
Please...no...more....roooom!
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (aBlZ1)
Please...no...more....roooom!
Posted by: Raddatz at October 19, 2012 10:43 AM (FIDMq)
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41 I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that we have an administration that, rather than admit they were wrong about their claims of destroying al Qaeda and protecting our citizens, they fabricate a story and in so doing take the side of the attackers and use the 4 dead embassy staffers as pawns so they can hold on to power. And a disgusting media all too eager to help with the cover up. Thank G-d that this fucking nightmare is almost over.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:35 AM (+tqYo)
Simple. From Obama's mouth to allah's ears..."I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:35 AM (+tqYo)
Simple. From Obama's mouth to allah's ears..."I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:43 AM (ToMJU)
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It's apparently unpossible to clean out any gummint agency of its entrenched bureaucrats due to existing laws. Hell, it's been proven easier just to start up a competing intel agency to get around the problem. How many do we have now?
Posted by: Jaws at October 19, 2012 10:43 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 10:43 AM (OisvX)
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62 He is as much in the tank as Raddatz and Crowley were.
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (aBlZ1)
Much more. Schieffer is Vladimir Pozner with the Mayberry drawl. I think Mitt will do well. What's the format?
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (aBlZ1)
Much more. Schieffer is Vladimir Pozner with the Mayberry drawl. I think Mitt will do well. What's the format?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:43 AM (+tqYo)
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It was Obama who volunteered that 4 murdered Americans was "not optimal."
Just to be clear.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 19, 2012 10:40 AM (8y9MW)
The sad part was, he was probably referencing the election, not the victims
Just to be clear.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 19, 2012 10:40 AM (8y9MW)
The sad part was, he was probably referencing the election, not the victims
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 19, 2012 10:43 AM (kc2b9)
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63 No wonder the D.C. bigshots hate frakking and drilling so much.
All that sweet ME oil money will dry up.
Posted by: eman at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (+XD7n)
We have a winnarrrr...
This isn't about what's best for the US, it's about whats best for the DC.
All that sweet ME oil money will dry up.
Posted by: eman at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (+XD7n)
We have a winnarrrr...
This isn't about what's best for the US, it's about whats best for the DC.
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 19, 2012 10:43 AM (UZQM8)
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Georgetown School of Foreign Service write up in Wiki
ts faculty include many distinguished figures in international affairs, such as former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former U.S. Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, former President of Poland Aleksander Kwaśniewski, and former Prime Minister of Spain José María Aznar.[2]
The School of Foreign Service is widely recognized as one of the world's leading international affairs schools and is sometimes referred to as the "West Point of the U.S. diplomatic corps."
ts faculty include many distinguished figures in international affairs, such as former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former U.S. Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, former President of Poland Aleksander Kwaśniewski, and former Prime Minister of Spain José María Aznar.[2]
The School of Foreign Service is widely recognized as one of the world's leading international affairs schools and is sometimes referred to as the "West Point of the U.S. diplomatic corps."
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:44 AM (Dnbau)
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The CIA has been in the business of fucking Presidents for the last 50 years. That is another rat's nest that needs to be cleaned out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 19, 2012 10:44 AM (oSFWF)
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19 One of the prime suspects his chilling out drinking strawberry frappes.
http://is.gd/VkAspW
If you read down to the last three paragraphs, make sure you have a pillow on your desk to avoid injury to your head.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at October 19, 2012 10:27 AM (/kI1Q)
WTF?!?
http://is.gd/VkAspW
If you read down to the last three paragraphs, make sure you have a pillow on your desk to avoid injury to your head.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at October 19, 2012 10:27 AM (/kI1Q)
WTF?!?
Posted by: RWC at October 19, 2012 10:44 AM (fWAjv)
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I love them hemming and hawing about "how far up the chain did this go?". That's just the AP covering for their boyfriend.
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We know it's a terrorist attack, but....nah, let's not let that info get to the president. WTF? Is this, in any way, believable??
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We know it's a terrorist attack, but....nah, let's not let that info get to the president. WTF? Is this, in any way, believable??
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 19, 2012 10:45 AM (lTVJy)
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66 Sgt. Candy Crowley Schultz: President Wonderful knew nothing! Nothing! It says so right here in my talking points
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 19, 2012 10:42 AM (1Jaio)
Yeah, and how was it that al-obama KNEW Crowley had a transcript of his speech in front of her? At one point, he told her to read the transcript.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 19, 2012 10:42 AM (1Jaio)
Yeah, and how was it that al-obama KNEW Crowley had a transcript of his speech in front of her? At one point, he told her to read the transcript.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:45 AM (ToMJU)
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71, 41 Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:43 AM (ToMJU)
Oh I agree. I am just utterly and totally dumbfounded that this is what has become of our government and media.
Oh I agree. I am just utterly and totally dumbfounded that this is what has become of our government and media.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:45 AM (+tqYo)
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>>>I love them hemming and hawing about "how far up the chain did this go?".
Obviously not far enough up the chain. Wasn't Petraeus pimping the party line on this f*ckfest?
Obviously not far enough up the chain. Wasn't Petraeus pimping the party line on this f*ckfest?
Posted by: Fritz at October 19, 2012 10:45 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 19, 2012 10:45 AM (8y9MW)
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I think the house buy in Hawii is a head fake. Obi's gonna wind up it Dubai
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 19, 2012 10:46 AM (136wp)
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62 Rockmom
He'll have to cover it because it is ongoing and will conceivably be on the presidents plate in the future.
Plus he knows there will be a huge outcry if he omits it completely....maybe not the Ohio University students *sigh* but most normal adults
He'll have to cover it because it is ongoing and will conceivably be on the presidents plate in the future.
Plus he knows there will be a huge outcry if he omits it completely....maybe not the Ohio University students *sigh* but most normal adults
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 19, 2012 10:46 AM (JWLqy)
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The fact that he said "not optimal" means that he was really thinking "not good optics."
He was a red cunt hair away from letting that slip.
He was a red cunt hair away from letting that slip.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:47 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 19, 2012 10:47 AM (B+qrE)
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Betcha anything that Schieffer tries to steer clear of Benghazi altogether.
Rockmom,you are right, there is no other option forShieffer. There is no way he is incurring the Left's censure like the two women.
Rockmom,you are right, there is no other option forShieffer. There is no way he is incurring the Left's censure like the two women.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 10:47 AM (OisvX)
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There is no way he will allow Romney to beat up Obama on this. He is as much in the tank as Raddatz and Crowley were.
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No truer words....
I know Romney knows what he'll be facing with Scheiffer. I sincerely hope he politely tells him to STFU and hammer home his points anyway.
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No truer words....
I know Romney knows what he'll be facing with Scheiffer. I sincerely hope he politely tells him to STFU and hammer home his points anyway.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 19, 2012 10:48 AM (lTVJy)
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Also at Georgetown
Finally, as our undergraduate and graduate students quickly learn, the strengths of the Department of Arabic and Islamic Studies are greatly amplified by the fact that Georgetown is the home to the Center for Contemporary Arab Studies (CCAS) and the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding (CMCU), research centers that offer degree programs, lectures, and coursework on a wide range of topics concerning the Arab world.
School big wigs entertained saudis, Qutaris, and their money all the time. They greedily took the money Guiliani refused after Sept 11
Finally, as our undergraduate and graduate students quickly learn, the strengths of the Department of Arabic and Islamic Studies are greatly amplified by the fact that Georgetown is the home to the Center for Contemporary Arab Studies (CCAS) and the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding (CMCU), research centers that offer degree programs, lectures, and coursework on a wide range of topics concerning the Arab world.
School big wigs entertained saudis, Qutaris, and their money all the time. They greedily took the money Guiliani refused after Sept 11
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:48 AM (Dnbau)
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The nation should be scared to death of this administration.
When the military is actively opposing, including Navy Seals making bold statements...
And, the Intelligence agencies are fighting against this administration...
And, the police forces are being held back from enforcing the laws (e.g. NY)...
And, the border agents aren't protected, and ICE agents have their hands tied behind their backs...
We are in the red zone -- because of O'shit.
The nation should be scared to death of this administration.
When the military is actively opposing, including Navy Seals making bold statements...
And, the Intelligence agencies are fighting against this administration...
And, the police forces are being held back from enforcing the laws (e.g. NY)...
And, the border agents aren't protected, and ICE agents have their hands tied behind their backs...
We are in the red zone -- because of O'shit.
Posted by: 18 days at October 19, 2012 10:48 AM (LpQbZ)
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Romney to Scheiffer, "Bless your heart Bob, but please let me explain my thoughts without you interrupting."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 19, 2012 10:49 AM (6W127)
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85 I think the house buy in Hawii is a head fake. Obi's gonna wind up it Dubai
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 19, 2012 10:46 AM (136wp)
The Saudis and Emiratis are unbelievably racist. They HATE black people. And don't kid yourself; the sub-Saharan slave trade still exists.
I don't know what's more insane; Jews continuing to support the Dems or blacks converting to Islam. And the late great Eldridge Cleaver before he did wrote a scathing critique of Islam.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 19, 2012 10:46 AM (136wp)
The Saudis and Emiratis are unbelievably racist. They HATE black people. And don't kid yourself; the sub-Saharan slave trade still exists.
I don't know what's more insane; Jews continuing to support the Dems or blacks converting to Islam. And the late great Eldridge Cleaver before he did wrote a scathing critique of Islam.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:49 AM (+tqYo)
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It's called a purge. We need it to be run like a spy agency and not some fucking drama club.
It's not just the CIA. The entire executive branch is rotten with mandarins who fancy themselves above the law.
You cannot just fire them. The lefty kind have a support network in place with readily available sinecures in the MFM, any of hundreds of lefty non-profits and NGOs, academia, congressional staffs, state and local governments, government contractors, or ideologically sympathetic private sector companies. They can hold their breath for the four, eight, or twelve years before the man at the top is changed out so they can come back into the game.
The key is high profile prosecution with hard consequences as examples for the others.
It's not just the CIA. The entire executive branch is rotten with mandarins who fancy themselves above the law.
You cannot just fire them. The lefty kind have a support network in place with readily available sinecures in the MFM, any of hundreds of lefty non-profits and NGOs, academia, congressional staffs, state and local governments, government contractors, or ideologically sympathetic private sector companies. They can hold their breath for the four, eight, or twelve years before the man at the top is changed out so they can come back into the game.
The key is high profile prosecution with hard consequences as examples for the others.
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 19, 2012 10:49 AM (ogdab)
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# 62:
Betcha anything that Schieffer tries to steer clear of Benghazi
altogether. He'll come up with some construct that this debate is about
the next four years and what each candidate will do in foreign policy if
he is elected, not a rehash of the last four years. There is no way he
will allow Romney to beat up Obama on this. He is as much in the tank as
Raddatz and Crowley were.
Of course. That and he'll be conveniently armed with various 'transcripts' that support Obama's lies....but nothing at all to support Romney. Heck, even his name, 'Bob Schieffer', is coincidentally the very same sound he makes with Obama's dick in his mouth.
At least the Romney camp is aware that they will not get a fair chance at these debates.....though why they agreed to allow all three moderators to be die hard liberal scum, is beyond me.
# 62:
Betcha anything that Schieffer tries to steer clear of Benghazi
altogether. He'll come up with some construct that this debate is about
the next four years and what each candidate will do in foreign policy if
he is elected, not a rehash of the last four years. There is no way he
will allow Romney to beat up Obama on this. He is as much in the tank as
Raddatz and Crowley were.
Of course. That and he'll be conveniently armed with various 'transcripts' that support Obama's lies....but nothing at all to support Romney. Heck, even his name, 'Bob Schieffer', is coincidentally the very same sound he makes with Obama's dick in his mouth.
At least the Romney camp is aware that they will not get a fair chance at these debates.....though why they agreed to allow all three moderators to be die hard liberal scum, is beyond me.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 19, 2012 10:49 AM (L7hol)
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I think Petraeus' hands are tied.
If he speaks up and throws the blame where it belongs, it will be seen as vengeance for Hillary's "stretching credibility" remarks at the Surge hearings.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (+tqYo)
then he should quit
If he speaks up and throws the blame where it belongs, it will be seen as vengeance for Hillary's "stretching credibility" remarks at the Surge hearings.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:41 AM (+tqYo)
then he should quit
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (Dnbau)
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I'm still trying to understand why teh Administration would maintain the fiction "A Movie Caused It" for as long as they did. It's just stupid.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (Soe3/)
1. Absolves almost everyone if we buy it.
2. They have a habit of this. The Arkansas recruiter shootings and the Nidal Hasan shootings were not called terror despite connections to overseas jihadis and even Anwar Al-Awlaki.
3. The US Government is deeply penetrated by Muslim Brotherhood advisors who would love to see us adopt Islamic blasphemy laws.
4. Usually they get away with lying thanks to a compliant media. It's still not clear they won't on this.
I'm still trying to understand why teh Administration would maintain the fiction "A Movie Caused It" for as long as they did. It's just stupid.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (Soe3/)
1. Absolves almost everyone if we buy it.
2. They have a habit of this. The Arkansas recruiter shootings and the Nidal Hasan shootings were not called terror despite connections to overseas jihadis and even Anwar Al-Awlaki.
3. The US Government is deeply penetrated by Muslim Brotherhood advisors who would love to see us adopt Islamic blasphemy laws.
4. Usually they get away with lying thanks to a compliant media. It's still not clear they won't on this.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (sOtz/)
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That we've come to this point of corruption and reason makes me conclude that Darryl Issa is all Hat and No Cattle. Just a bunch of anecdotal bullshit with no meat behind it. He's as weak and limp dicked as The Pederast with his cowboy poetry. He wants to be bad ass, but he's too short on stature and heroism. He's flat. I'd rather he tuck his tail instead of doing his edge of action bullshit one liners. Put up or shut Issa. Poop or get off the pot.
Posted by: Stacy at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (bKOZG)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (+tqYo)
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Over at daily kos, its all honey booboo all the time.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at October 19, 2012 10:51 AM (ovpNn)
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97 then he should quit
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (Dnbau)
Now why the hell didn't I think of that? It would send a message.
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (Dnbau)
Now why the hell didn't I think of that? It would send a message.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:51 AM (+tqYo)
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So, off-limit topics on Monday:
Benghazi/Libya
Iran
North Korea
Egypt
Afghanistan
Iraq
Syria
Israel
Greece
Spain
Portugal
Italy
Canada
Mexico
Cuba
Venezuela
Bolivia
Saudi Arabia
China
Taiwan
So, we get 90 minutes on Slovenia and Bhutan.
Benghazi/Libya
Iran
North Korea
Egypt
Afghanistan
Iraq
Syria
Israel
Greece
Spain
Portugal
Italy
Canada
Mexico
Cuba
Venezuela
Bolivia
Saudi Arabia
China
Taiwan
So, we get 90 minutes on Slovenia and Bhutan.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 19, 2012 10:51 AM (B+qrE)
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Will Troll for Food!
Posted by: Greg at October 19, 2012 10:52 AM (ovpNn)
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The CIA has been in the business of fucking Presidents for the last 50 years. That is another rat's nest that needs to be cleaned out.
Nevergiveup, not all presidents, just the Republican ones. I don't remember any leaking during Clinton's terms. And yes, they do need cleaning out, it's not as if they are that wedded to the truth. In the 90s they couldn't even keep their website up to date with the changes in Eastern Europe.
Nevergiveup, not all presidents, just the Republican ones. I don't remember any leaking during Clinton's terms. And yes, they do need cleaning out, it's not as if they are that wedded to the truth. In the 90s they couldn't even keep their website up to date with the changes in Eastern Europe.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 10:52 AM (OisvX)
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Issa, you're no daisy. You're no daisy at all.
Posted by: Doc Holliday at October 19, 2012 10:52 AM (bKOZG)
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Posted by: Stacy at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (bKOZG)
Yep, it seems Fast and furious and turned into Fuck it and forget about it.
Yep, it seems Fast and furious and turned into Fuck it and forget about it.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 19, 2012 10:52 AM (kc2b9)
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96 Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 19, 2012 10:49 AM (L7hol)
Romney should frisk Schieffer and search his desk, or wherever he sits.
Romney should frisk Schieffer and search his desk, or wherever he sits.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (+tqYo)
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Oh I agree. I am just utterly and totally dumbfounded that this is what has become of our government and media.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:45 AM (+tqYo)
Getting Mitt elected will only be the first battle in the start of the war to take back this country.
Right now I fear that someone will make an attempt on Mitt before the election in order to try to save their demi-god. I'm truly scared of this!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:45 AM (+tqYo)
Getting Mitt elected will only be the first battle in the start of the war to take back this country.
Right now I fear that someone will make an attempt on Mitt before the election in order to try to save their demi-god. I'm truly scared of this!
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (ToMJU)
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PE Romney please make one of the first things you do ( after you shit can obamacare) make the Fort Hood shooting an act of terror and also that shooting down in Little Rock.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (oSFWF)
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This is really putting a crimp in my vacation plans...
Posted by: Michelle Antoinette Obama at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (ovpNn)
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I have to fall in with the side saying abolish the CIA. The military has had to do more and more of their basic mission in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. To hell with them, abolish the agency and shift their duties to the appropriate green suiters.
Posted by: Alex at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (3x3F6)
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then he should quit
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (Dnbau)
Absolutely! If you have no honor and integrity....you have nothing.
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (Dnbau)
Absolutely! If you have no honor and integrity....you have nothing.
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (JWLqy)
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Circa, you forgot Argentina and Brazil.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 19, 2012 10:54 AM (6W127)
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And here. we. go. As everyone said, there was no way the intelligence community was going to take this lying down.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. A righteous dude. at October 19, 2012 10:54 AM (VtjlW)
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Absolutely! If you have no honor and integrity....you have nothing.
Honor and integrity? Never heard of them.
Honor and integrity? Never heard of them.
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at October 19, 2012 10:54 AM (8y9MW)
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Dump everyone from the execs down to the secretaries and the guy making coffee down in the cafeteria.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (e0xKF)
Hell, promote the coffee guy to DNI. It's not as if he could have done worse.
Better yet, go to Ft Benning, find the gnarliest drill sergeant on the post (bonus points if he's in hack for punching a mouthy recruit in the puss). THAT'S the guy I want handling intel for the country.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (e0xKF)
Hell, promote the coffee guy to DNI. It's not as if he could have done worse.
Better yet, go to Ft Benning, find the gnarliest drill sergeant on the post (bonus points if he's in hack for punching a mouthy recruit in the puss). THAT'S the guy I want handling intel for the country.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (TIIx5)
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99 That we've come to this point of corruption and reason makes me conclude that Darryl Issa is all Hat and No Cattle. Just a bunch of anecdotal bullshit with no meat behind it. He's as weak and limp dicked as The Pederast with his cowboy poetry. He wants to be bad ass, but he's too short on stature and heroism. He's flat. I'd rather he tuck his tail instead of doing his edge of action bullshit one liners. Put up or shut Issa. Poop or get off the pot.
Posted by: Stacy at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (bKOZG)
Agreed. Issa has been a total disappointment.
Posted by: Stacy at October 19, 2012 10:50 AM (bKOZG)
Agreed. Issa has been a total disappointment.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (ToMJU)
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34
I'm still trying to understand why teh Administration would maintain the
fiction "A Movie Caused It" for as long as they did. It's just stupid.
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What I'm fuzzy about is how they got onto "a movie caused it" in the first place. How did the White House find out about a movie no one had seen? How did they attach it to this attack in the first place?
I'm still trying to understand why teh Administration would maintain the
fiction "A Movie Caused It" for as long as they did. It's just stupid.
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What I'm fuzzy about is how they got onto "a movie caused it" in the first place. How did the White House find out about a movie no one had seen? How did they attach it to this attack in the first place?
Posted by: Anachronda at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (1c58W)
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Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (ToMJU)
Don't think I haven't thought that. I just keep it to myself.
And yes, we have to win every election cycle for at least 20 years so we can start to dismantle the Leviathan. Also, judicial appointees. AND. We have got to take back the schools and de-program future generations.
Don't think I haven't thought that. I just keep it to myself.
And yes, we have to win every election cycle for at least 20 years so we can start to dismantle the Leviathan. Also, judicial appointees. AND. We have got to take back the schools and de-program future generations.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (+tqYo)
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So, we get 90 minutes on Slovenia and Bhutan.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 19, 2012 10:51 AM (B+qrE)
What about Austria? Barry doesn't know any Austrian
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 19, 2012 10:51 AM (B+qrE)
What about Austria? Barry doesn't know any Austrian
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (1Jaio)
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I think Petraeus' hands are tied. If he speaks up and throws the blame where it belongs, it will be seen as vengeance for Hillary's "stretching credibility" remarks at the Surge hearings.
When he took on the job he should have known that after the "Betrayus" ad he would be handed the poison chalice at some stage.
When he took on the job he should have known that after the "Betrayus" ad he would be handed the poison chalice at some stage.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (OisvX)
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I think what the CIA is saying here is....
The President is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
The President is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 19, 2012 10:56 AM (sbV1u)
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Quit? Petraeus should have never agreed to work for this Administration in the first place.
After what Clinton said about him, how could he work for this Administration. Leads me to believe that Petraeus is not the man I believed him to be.
After what Clinton said about him, how could he work for this Administration. Leads me to believe that Petraeus is not the man I believed him to be.
Posted by: polynikes at October 19, 2012 10:57 AM (m2CN7)
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Hell, promote the coffee guy to DNI. It's not as if he could have done worse.
Better yet, go to Ft Benning, find the gnarliest drill sergeant on the post (bonus points if he's in hack for punching a mouthy recruit in the puss). THAT'S the guy I want handling intel for the country.
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R. Lee Ermey, come on down!
Better yet, go to Ft Benning, find the gnarliest drill sergeant on the post (bonus points if he's in hack for punching a mouthy recruit in the puss). THAT'S the guy I want handling intel for the country.
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R. Lee Ermey, come on down!
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 10:57 AM (e0xKF)
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Interesting bit of trivia. The Romney store is slammed with orders. They can't keep up. I got my yard signs, but the other stuff didn't arrive. I tried to call to ask. They are swamped and the voice mail box is full.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 19, 2012 10:57 AM (dX4hn)
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Hell, promote the coffee guy to DNI. It's not as if he could have done worse.Better yet, go to Ft Benning, find the gnarliest drill sergeant on the post (bonus points if he's in hack for punching a mouthy recruit in the puss). THAT'S the guy I want handling intel for the country.
No you don't. Those guys don't like or get the intelligence community and they certainly aren't good either the geeky side or the dark and dirty side.
No you don't. Those guys don't like or get the intelligence community and they certainly aren't good either the geeky side or the dark and dirty side.
Posted by: Alex at October 19, 2012 10:57 AM (3x3F6)
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Obama lied, People died!
Posted by: Imagine if Bush did that at October 19, 2012 10:57 AM (VndSC)
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There is no way he will allow Romney to beat up Obama on this. He is as much in the tank as Raddatz and Crowley were.
No doubt, although I'm guessing Mitt 2000 won't ease off as much this time around.Ballbobber won't have the extra coverthat the fucktard 'independent' questioners provided that twinkie snarfing retard.
I'm guessing we're going to see a little more Romneysmashytime on Monday.
No doubt, although I'm guessing Mitt 2000 won't ease off as much this time around.Ballbobber won't have the extra coverthat the fucktard 'independent' questioners provided that twinkie snarfing retard.
I'm guessing we're going to see a little more Romneysmashytime on Monday.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 19, 2012 10:58 AM (NF2Bf)
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This is really putting a crimp in my vacation plans...
Posted by: Michelle Antoinette Obama at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (ovpNn) [/ik]
Permanent vacation coming up.
Posted by: Michelle Antoinette Obama at October 19, 2012 10:53 AM (ovpNn) [/ik]
Permanent vacation coming up.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 10:58 AM (OisvX)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 19, 2012 10:58 AM (sbV1u)
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Now get in the barrel
Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 19, 2012 10:58 AM (sbV1u)
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After the Crowley debacle I'm not quite so sure Romney's going to go so easy on a male moderator.
Posted by: JEM at October 19, 2012 10:58 AM (o+SC1)
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The intel community lurrves Obama I will wager. Everyone will blame a midlevel functionary, who will then bounce to a teaching position at Georgetown. Bank on it. The CIA and State Depts undermining of ME policies will continue until spook and state factories like Georgetown stop accepting Arab money
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 10:59 AM (Dnbau)
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I'm still trying to understand why teh Administration would maintain the
fiction "A Movie Caused It" for as long as they did. It's just stupid.
This is really easy:
1. The Obama admin got caught with it's pants down around it's ankles.
2. Happened on 9/11, after there were warning of attacks being planned.
3. Happened after Obungle claimed to have AQ on the run.
4. Happened after security was removed, and downgraded by the Obismal admin.
5. And of course, the primary reason for lying so desperately, and for so long....it happened when Obama was fighting an uphill battle for reelection.
I'm still trying to understand why teh Administration would maintain the
fiction "A Movie Caused It" for as long as they did. It's just stupid.
This is really easy:
1. The Obama admin got caught with it's pants down around it's ankles.
2. Happened on 9/11, after there were warning of attacks being planned.
3. Happened after Obungle claimed to have AQ on the run.
4. Happened after security was removed, and downgraded by the Obismal admin.
5. And of course, the primary reason for lying so desperately, and for so long....it happened when Obama was fighting an uphill battle for reelection.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 19, 2012 10:59 AM (L7hol)
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After what Clinton said about him, how could he work for this Administration. Leads me to believe that Petraeus is not the man I believed him to be.
US Generals are not rock ribbed conservatives like a lot of people think. Remember that they are politicians at that level, and they're used to having near dictatorial powers.There's a reason that leftists like to turn every policy into the moral equivalent of war: because it gives them absolute control like you see in a military environment.
US Generals are not rock ribbed conservatives like a lot of people think. Remember that they are politicians at that level, and they're used to having near dictatorial powers.There's a reason that leftists like to turn every policy into the moral equivalent of war: because it gives them absolute control like you see in a military environment.
Posted by: Alex at October 19, 2012 10:59 AM (3x3F6)
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This makes me see red, this bit of lawfare. KSM will be allowed to wear military style camouflage clothing at trial.
http://tinyurl.com/9k9v9lz
KSM is not a member of any recognized military service. He is a partisan/guerilla who is not protected in any way under the Geneva Conventions. In fact, if it wasn't for what information he carried inside his head, the smart commander in the field should have just popped him. For him to wear military style clothing is to give him another prop for his PR campaign, that of a soldier when he clearly is not.
http://tinyurl.com/9k9v9lz
KSM is not a member of any recognized military service. He is a partisan/guerilla who is not protected in any way under the Geneva Conventions. In fact, if it wasn't for what information he carried inside his head, the smart commander in the field should have just popped him. For him to wear military style clothing is to give him another prop for his PR campaign, that of a soldier when he clearly is not.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 19, 2012 10:59 AM (6W127)
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Purple haze , in my states
Lately things just don't seem the same
Actin' funny, but I don't know why
'Scuse me while I kiss this guy
Purple haze all around
Don't know if the polls are up or down
Am I happy , Michelle Yells at me
What was that tingle , Chris Matthews feels
Help me, Candy help me
Oh Help Me !
Yeah
Purple haze , don't cover my Lies
Don't know if it's day or night
You've got me bowin, to appease my god
Is it election day or just the end of time?
Help me ! Help me ! Help me ! Help me !
Lately things just don't seem the same
Actin' funny, but I don't know why
'Scuse me while I kiss this guy
Purple haze all around
Don't know if the polls are up or down
Am I happy , Michelle Yells at me
What was that tingle , Chris Matthews feels
Help me, Candy help me
Oh Help Me !
Yeah
Purple haze , don't cover my Lies
Don't know if it's day or night
You've got me bowin, to appease my god
Is it election day or just the end of time?
Help me ! Help me ! Help me ! Help me !
Posted by: The - Barry Hendrix at October 19, 2012 11:00 AM (XIsD/)
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 11:00 AM (OisvX)
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So I lied. Again. Several times. Who's going to call me out on it?
Posted by: Barry Hussein Soetoro at October 19, 2012 11:00 AM (/YJYi)
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So I lied. Again. Several times. Who's going to call me out on it?
Posted by: Barry Hussein Soetoro at October 19, 2012 11:00 AM (/YJYi)
MFM: BINDERS!!!!!
Posted by: Barry Hussein Soetoro at October 19, 2012 11:00 AM (/YJYi)
MFM: BINDERS!!!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 19, 2012 11:01 AM (1Jaio)
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@107 - I think what we're seeing from Congress right now is a recognition that the only real fix comes in November.
Posted by: JEM at October 19, 2012 11:01 AM (o+SC1)
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Leads me to believe that Petraeus is not the man I believed him to be.
Posted by: polynikes at October 19, 2012 10:57 AM (m2CN7)
He is the same as Colin Powell. I thought Powell was a stand up guy and found him to be just as creepy as the rest of the bobble-headed brass.
Posted by: polynikes at October 19, 2012 10:57 AM (m2CN7)
He is the same as Colin Powell. I thought Powell was a stand up guy and found him to be just as creepy as the rest of the bobble-headed brass.
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 19, 2012 11:01 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at October 19, 2012 11:01 AM (8y9MW)
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What's Darrell Issa supposed to do about this? Why dump on him? He held a hearing and got some very damaging stuff on the table. Mike Rogers needs to be getting into the act on this, he is chair of the House Intelligence Committee and a former FBI agent.
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 11:03 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at October 19, 2012 11:03 AM (/kI1Q)
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I tell you what, this guy Godwin must have Soros' bankroll behind him; otherwise why the hell haven't we had a "Downfall" script on this yet? It's a perfect fit. Maybe, even, a little too perfect, IYKWIM.
"This never would have happened, had the Fuehrer only known..."
"This never would have happened, had the Fuehrer only known..."
Posted by: comatus at October 19, 2012 11:04 AM (qaVK+)
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CIA gonna cover themselves, AND the JEF. It will still be a lie.
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 11:04 AM (Dnbau)
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It's a perfect fit. Maybe, even, a little too perfect, IYKWIM.
Wow. I hadn't even thought of that.
Maybe it hasn't been made because it *is* too close a fit.
Wow. I hadn't even thought of that.
Maybe it hasn't been made because it *is* too close a fit.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 19, 2012 11:05 AM (8y9MW)
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What I'm fuzzy about is how they got onto "a movie caused it" in the first place. How did the White House find out about a movie no one had seen? How did they attach it to this attack in the first place?
Posted by: Anachronda at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (1c58W)The trailer to the movie was televised in Egypt on Al-Nas Network. The Cairo demostrators were sent out by imams who used the video as a pretext. That happened before Benghazi. The jihadis who attacked the Benghazi mission were using the protests in Cairo as a cover, hoping we wouldn't react appropriately. And it worked. No rescue was sent from outside Libya. The early intel reports were confusing enough, or could be intentionally misinterpreted easily enough to justify the conclusion the administration wanted: a You Tube video did it!Other thansome Egyptians on TV, or those with You Tube, nobody has actually seen the trailer.
Posted by: Anachronda at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (1c58W)The trailer to the movie was televised in Egypt on Al-Nas Network. The Cairo demostrators were sent out by imams who used the video as a pretext. That happened before Benghazi. The jihadis who attacked the Benghazi mission were using the protests in Cairo as a cover, hoping we wouldn't react appropriately. And it worked. No rescue was sent from outside Libya. The early intel reports were confusing enough, or could be intentionally misinterpreted easily enough to justify the conclusion the administration wanted: a You Tube video did it!Other thansome Egyptians on TV, or those with You Tube, nobody has actually seen the trailer.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 11:05 AM (sOtz/)
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Don't think I haven't thought that. I just keep it to myself. And yes, we have to win every election cycle for at least 20 years so we can start to dismantle the Leviathan. Also, judicial appointees. AND. We have got to take back the schools and de-program future generations.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (+tqYo)
I probably should keep it to myself also.
I believe Mitt's going to have to be Reagan on roids. It's taken the left 50 years to see the culmination of their twisted dreams. It's going to take a totally dedicated, full-on, sustained fight for years to come. I hope we all understand this. There can be absolutely no room for RINOs now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (+tqYo)
I probably should keep it to myself also.
I believe Mitt's going to have to be Reagan on roids. It's taken the left 50 years to see the culmination of their twisted dreams. It's going to take a totally dedicated, full-on, sustained fight for years to come. I hope we all understand this. There can be absolutely no room for RINOs now.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 11:06 AM (ToMJU)
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I think Romney should make everyone reapply for their jobs. Every. Fucking. One. Let them have what everyone else NOTPD (not on the public dime) has been having since The Won.
Posted by: vivi at October 19, 2012 11:06 AM (OTPxW)
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This is the kind of thing I'd put in a daily intelligence briefing, but that's just me.
Posted by: rockhead at October 19, 2012 11:07 AM (jtTKf)
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Would this be from, as WSJ's Henninger puts it, that cloud-based offshore entity termed the "intelligence community?"
Obviously a community that was not organized by the community-organizer-in-chief.
Obviously a community that was not organized by the community-organizer-in-chief.
Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 19, 2012 11:07 AM (k32cF)
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Yep, it seems Fast and furious and turned into Fuck it and forget about it.
The way the fizzling coincided with the Univision expose makes me suspect that Issa has a smoking gun. If Romney needs it before the election, Issa will use it. If not, they will wait until the changing of the guard in January to keep pardon(s) off the table.
The way the fizzling coincided with the Univision expose makes me suspect that Issa has a smoking gun. If Romney needs it before the election, Issa will use it. If not, they will wait until the changing of the guard in January to keep pardon(s) off the table.
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 19, 2012 11:07 AM (ogdab)
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Do you think Lawrence O'Donnell has ever been struck in the face by a larger than average adult male?
It aint like the movies.
Do you think Lawrence O'Donnell has ever been struck in the face by a larger than average adult male?
It aint like the movies.
Posted by: soothsayer at October 19, 2012 11:08 AM (fpzdb)
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152
I think Romney should make everyone reapply for their jobs. Every.
F_____g. One. Let them have what everyone else NOTPD (not on the public
dime) has been having since The Won.
Posted by: vivi at October 19
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.....Then stick 'em in Binders...
I think Romney should make everyone reapply for their jobs. Every.
F_____g. One. Let them have what everyone else NOTPD (not on the public
dime) has been having since The Won.
Posted by: vivi at October 19
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.....Then stick 'em in Binders...
Posted by: AmericanDawg at October 19, 2012 11:09 AM (XIsD/)
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"That may or may not be true but it's clear their political allegiance is first and foremost to their agency."
And this goes for each and every federal agency. Yet another reason that big government does not work efficiently.
And this goes for each and every federal agency. Yet another reason that big government does not work efficiently.
Posted by: rockhead at October 19, 2012 11:09 AM (jtTKf)
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Don't underestimate the ongoing desire to limit our free speech rights.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 10:31
AM (sOtz/)
I'm more and more convinced this was an attack on our 1st Amendment by the JEF. This entire situation reeks of 'never let a crisis go to waste.'
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 10:31
AM (sOtz/)
I'm more and more convinced this was an attack on our 1st Amendment by the JEF. This entire situation reeks of 'never let a crisis go to waste.'
Posted by: blindside at October 19, 2012 11:10 AM (x7g7t)
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Hey I hit a punching bag one time at the Harvard Gym one time. It broke my hand but that's beside the point.
Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at October 19, 2012 11:10 AM (/YJYi)
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What I'm fuzzy about is how they got onto "a movie caused it" in the first place. How did the White House find out about a movie no one had seen? How did they attach it to this attack in the first place?
Posted by: Anachronda at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (1c58W)The trailer to the movie was televised in Egypt on Al-Nas Network. The Cairo demostrators were sent out by imams who used the video as a pretext. That happened before Benghazi. The jihadis who attacked the Benghazi mission were using the protests in Cairo as a cover, hoping we wouldn't react appropriately. And it worked. No rescue was sent from outside Libya. The early intel reports were confusing enough, or could be intentionally misinterpreted easily enough to justify the conclusion the administration wanted: a You Tube video did it!Other thansome Egyptians on TV, or those with You Tube, nobody has actually seen the trailer.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 11:05 AM (sOtz/)
yes but the trailer to the movie was not decried by the Imams owned by Muslim Brotherhood, or shown on Egyptian TV, until there was a video released by the spiritual head of Al Qaeda saying that revenge must be taken for the death of Al Libbi.
In other words, the order for revenge came out first, and then based on that signal the Imams complained and the Egyptian govt (muslim brotherhood) broadcast the film in order to provide the crowds. All planned
Posted by: Anachronda at October 19, 2012 10:55 AM (1c58W)The trailer to the movie was televised in Egypt on Al-Nas Network. The Cairo demostrators were sent out by imams who used the video as a pretext. That happened before Benghazi. The jihadis who attacked the Benghazi mission were using the protests in Cairo as a cover, hoping we wouldn't react appropriately. And it worked. No rescue was sent from outside Libya. The early intel reports were confusing enough, or could be intentionally misinterpreted easily enough to justify the conclusion the administration wanted: a You Tube video did it!Other thansome Egyptians on TV, or those with You Tube, nobody has actually seen the trailer.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 11:05 AM (sOtz/)
yes but the trailer to the movie was not decried by the Imams owned by Muslim Brotherhood, or shown on Egyptian TV, until there was a video released by the spiritual head of Al Qaeda saying that revenge must be taken for the death of Al Libbi.
In other words, the order for revenge came out first, and then based on that signal the Imams complained and the Egyptian govt (muslim brotherhood) broadcast the film in order to provide the crowds. All planned
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (Dnbau)
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The trailer to the movie was televised in Egypt on Al-Nas Network. The Cairo demostrators were sent out by imams who used the video as a pretext.
Even had this video not been aired in Egypt, do you have any doubt that this administration has at least a dozen such "blasphemous outrages" nobody has ever seen held in reserve to support a chickens-came-home-to-roost position in the event of a terrorist attack?
Even had this video not been aired in Egypt, do you have any doubt that this administration has at least a dozen such "blasphemous outrages" nobody has ever seen held in reserve to support a chickens-came-home-to-roost position in the event of a terrorist attack?
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (ogdab)
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The jihadis who attacked the Benghazi mission were using the protests in Cairo as a cover, hoping we wouldn't react appropriately. And it worked. No rescue was sent from outside Libya.
So the Obama administration really can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
So the Obama administration really can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (OisvX)
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145 What's Darrell Issa supposed to do about this? Why dump on him? He held a hearing and got some very damaging stuff on the table. Mike Rogers needs to be getting into the act on this, he is chair of the House Intelligence Committee and a former FBI agent.
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 11:03 AM (aBlZ1)
I'm primarily ticked at Issa for how he's mishandled FF. People should be in jail by now.
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 11:03 AM (aBlZ1)
I'm primarily ticked at Issa for how he's mishandled FF. People should be in jail by now.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (ToMJU)
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My parents taught me that you don't fight girls. Especially whiny little ones.
Posted by: Tagg Romney at October 19, 2012 11:12 AM (VndSC)
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156
He lambasted Tagg about his lush life and portrayed himself as if he lived in the slums of Boston.....well not so much....O'Donnell had an attorney father, went to private school and on to Harvard.
He is as fake as that accent....and I can't wait until he has his own "what's the frequency" moment.
He lambasted Tagg about his lush life and portrayed himself as if he lived in the slums of Boston.....well not so much....O'Donnell had an attorney father, went to private school and on to Harvard.
He is as fake as that accent....and I can't wait until he has his own "what's the frequency" moment.
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 19, 2012 11:12 AM (JWLqy)
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The intelligence stops 6 blocks before the White House. Then we enter Oz via the regime. I wonder what the intell community will reveal after the election. Neber screw with your intelligence branch Clinton found that out and when Hillary retires the SHTF for all.
Posted by: Clemenza at October 19, 2012 11:13 AM (afx6B)
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OT so where did all that money go ... to a bad ass MF'n ground game, and now that's in place ...the ads are doing some carpet bombing. Nice.
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 19, 2012 11:13 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 19, 2012 11:14 AM (DrC22)
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Splain to me why ODonnell thinks the JEF shouldn't fight his own battles. Not very manly to hide behind ODonnell. Nevermind.
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 11:14 AM (Dnbau)
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I'm primarily ticked at Issa for how he's mishandled FF. People should be in jail by now.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (ToMJU)
Who's job is it to cuff em and stuff em? Not the DOJ I would hope
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (ToMJU)
Who's job is it to cuff em and stuff em? Not the DOJ I would hope
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 19, 2012 11:14 AM (FIDMq)
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Romney's son arrested for trespassing in NBC lobby. Talk show host hospitalized for "exhaustion".
Posted by: Tomorrow's Headlines today at October 19, 2012 11:14 AM (VndSC)
173
That CIA station chief is clearly racist.
Posted by: Witchfinder at October 19, 2012 11:14 AM (pLTLS)
174
I believe Mitt's going to have to be Reagan on roids. It's taken the left 50 years to see the culmination of their twisted dreams. It's going to take a totally dedicated, full-on, sustained fight for years to come. I hope we all understand this. There can be absolutely no room for RINOs now.
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I'm not sure he understands that fully, but he should have an idea.
He should think of it as the largest project Bain Capitol has ever taken on... an immense corporation with huge assets but a horrible cash flow problem and a questionable ability so service its debt.
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I'm not sure he understands that fully, but he should have an idea.
He should think of it as the largest project Bain Capitol has ever taken on... an immense corporation with huge assets but a horrible cash flow problem and a questionable ability so service its debt.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 11:15 AM (e0xKF)
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BTW, the humor chip upgrade to Mitt was excellent last night at the AESmith dinner.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at October 19, 2012 11:15 AM (QupBk)
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yes but the trailer to the movie was not decried by the Imams owned by Muslim Brotherhood, or shown on Egyptian TV, until there was a video released by the spiritual head of Al Qaeda saying that revenge must be taken for the death of Al Libbi. In other words, the order for revenge came out first, and then based on that signal the Imams complained and the Egyptian govt (muslim brotherhood) broadcast the film in order to provide the crowds. All planned
I wonder what else is lurking on youtube for the next round?
I wonder what else is lurking on youtube for the next round?
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 11:16 AM (OisvX)
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145 What's Darrell Issa supposed to do about this? Why dump on him? He held a hearing and got some very damaging stuff on the table. Mike Rogers needs to be getting into the act on this, he is chair of the House Intelligence Committee and a former FBI agent.
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 11:03 AM (aBlZ1)
I'm primarily ticked at Issa for how he's mishandled FF. People should be in jail by now.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (ToMJU)
Bigshots in D.C. don't go to jail unless other bigshots say so. And they won't say so unless the American people demand it. And the American people won't demand it if the story is not in their face on the "news" every day.
The MFM kept people out of trouble regarding F&F. Democrats protecting Democrats.
Posted by: rockmom at October 19, 2012 11:03 AM (aBlZ1)
I'm primarily ticked at Issa for how he's mishandled FF. People should be in jail by now.
Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (ToMJU)
Bigshots in D.C. don't go to jail unless other bigshots say so. And they won't say so unless the American people demand it. And the American people won't demand it if the story is not in their face on the "news" every day.
The MFM kept people out of trouble regarding F&F. Democrats protecting Democrats.
Posted by: eman at October 19, 2012 11:16 AM (+XD7n)
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I can throw down, man.
You shoulda seen me on the set of West Wing. Damn, I clocked that one thug right in front of Martin Sheen.
Umm it was the coffee girl, but ya know you get the point.
I can throw down, man.
You shoulda seen me on the set of West Wing. Damn, I clocked that one thug right in front of Martin Sheen.
Umm it was the coffee girl, but ya know you get the point.
Posted by: Nancy Boy O'Donnell at October 19, 2012 11:16 AM (W2qJe)
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Posted by: Havedash at October 19, 2012 10:37 AM (ToMJU)
Spoken with clarity.
Our problem is we don't look at our enemies as they see themselves. We look at them through the lens of our own views.
We would never want to destroy the country, so we can't imagine the Preisdent would either; therefore, we wonder 'why would they do X'.
When you think about why your enemy does something, you need to think LIKE your enemy.
Spoken with clarity.
Our problem is we don't look at our enemies as they see themselves. We look at them through the lens of our own views.
We would never want to destroy the country, so we can't imagine the Preisdent would either; therefore, we wonder 'why would they do X'.
When you think about why your enemy does something, you need to think LIKE your enemy.
Posted by: blindside at October 19, 2012 11:16 AM (x7g7t)
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October Surprise:
Barky has the all-important Honey Boo-boo endorsement.
It's over, man!
http://goo.gl/Pp7jK
Barky has the all-important Honey Boo-boo endorsement.
It's over, man!
http://goo.gl/Pp7jK
Posted by: Scobface at October 19, 2012 11:17 AM (IoNBC)
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Wow. Just saw on FB another 'winning!' picture of the "smile with a body behind it."
Joe Biden is looking serious while his hand is touching the thigh of a police officer. Though the most creepy part is the gray-haired guy who kinda looks like Rahm who is leaning forward and looking down at the action. Major creep-out.
Here is the picture. Put it on my blog to be accessible.
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2012/10/creepy-biden.html
Joe Biden is looking serious while his hand is touching the thigh of a police officer. Though the most creepy part is the gray-haired guy who kinda looks like Rahm who is leaning forward and looking down at the action. Major creep-out.
Here is the picture. Put it on my blog to be accessible.
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2012/10/creepy-biden.html
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 19, 2012 11:17 AM (6W127)
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OT: Northern Mali Update -- Jihadistan since March, run by al Qaeda-linked groups. Mali was once a shining example of "moderate Islam" and was once one of Africa's "strongest democracies." And by "once" I mean last year.
Even when Islam wins, it loses. Merely very Muslim people end up hating Islamic government (quote):"On Tuesday, he said, "they arrested more than 20 people accused of
theft or smoking who are going to be whipped in public. But in reality, the
Islamists are doing that to make people afraid. It's staged."
Thierno said the Islamists were taking advantage of their newfound
power to make business deals and get rich. But he added that he did not think it
would be hard to evict them.
"They're armed, and it's true they're making people afraid. But
you'll see, as soon as the first shots are fired, they're going to flee the
city," he said."
Time to start firing some shots.
OT: Northern Mali Update -- Jihadistan since March, run by al Qaeda-linked groups. Mali was once a shining example of "moderate Islam" and was once one of Africa's "strongest democracies." And by "once" I mean last year.
Even when Islam wins, it loses. Merely very Muslim people end up hating Islamic government (quote):"On Tuesday, he said, "they arrested more than 20 people accused of
theft or smoking who are going to be whipped in public. But in reality, the
Islamists are doing that to make people afraid. It's staged."
Thierno said the Islamists were taking advantage of their newfound
power to make business deals and get rich. But he added that he did not think it
would be hard to evict them.
"They're armed, and it's true they're making people afraid. But
you'll see, as soon as the first shots are fired, they're going to flee the
city," he said."
Time to start firing some shots.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 11:18 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 19, 2012 11:18 AM (xIRXC)
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My parents taught me that you don't fight girls. Especially whiny little ones.
Mrs. Lurking would have that simpering puss in a chokehold in less than two seconds. Then again, she's had formal training, since she used to work with brain damaged retards.
Mrs. Lurking would have that simpering puss in a chokehold in less than two seconds. Then again, she's had formal training, since she used to work with brain damaged retards.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 19, 2012 11:18 AM (NF2Bf)
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Bigshots in D.C. don't go to jail unless other bigshots say so. And they won't say so unless the American people demand it. And the American people won't demand it if the story is not in their face on the "news" every day.
The MFM kept people out of trouble regarding F&F. Democrats protecting Democrats.
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I think the early days of a Romney administration will allow Issa et all to start rolling out all the outlandish shit that Obama, Holder, and others did for that four-year span.
Frankly, I'd love to see Holder, Geithner, Rice, Napolitano, Sebelius, Salazar, and the rest of that crew of Klingons do hard time for some of the illegal shit they've done.
The MFM kept people out of trouble regarding F&F. Democrats protecting Democrats.
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I think the early days of a Romney administration will allow Issa et all to start rolling out all the outlandish shit that Obama, Holder, and others did for that four-year span.
Frankly, I'd love to see Holder, Geithner, Rice, Napolitano, Sebelius, Salazar, and the rest of that crew of Klingons do hard time for some of the illegal shit they've done.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 19, 2012 11:18 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 19, 2012 11:19 AM (gDIwW)
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>>The trailer to the movie was televised in Egypt on Al-Nas Network. The Cairo demostrators were sent out by imams who used the video as a pretext. That happened before Benghazi.
Only partially correct. The Egyptian embassy protest was actually originally announced on August 30th. It was organized by Jamaa Islamiya which is a State Department named terrorist group. The protest was organized to demand the release of the blind sheik.
Once the movie trailer was announced, the Noor party which holds about 25% of the seats in the Egyptian parliament, instructed their people to pile on.
There were also protests at the embassies in Tunisia and Yemen on the following days and there is a bunch of information publicly available linking them to terrorists, all in coordination.
Obama has been lying about this since day 1 because he is trying to perpetuate the myth that he killed al Qaeda. He didn't. They are stronger than ever.
Only partially correct. The Egyptian embassy protest was actually originally announced on August 30th. It was organized by Jamaa Islamiya which is a State Department named terrorist group. The protest was organized to demand the release of the blind sheik.
Once the movie trailer was announced, the Noor party which holds about 25% of the seats in the Egyptian parliament, instructed their people to pile on.
There were also protests at the embassies in Tunisia and Yemen on the following days and there is a bunch of information publicly available linking them to terrorists, all in coordination.
Obama has been lying about this since day 1 because he is trying to perpetuate the myth that he killed al Qaeda. He didn't. They are stronger than ever.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 19, 2012 11:19 AM (TMB3S)
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He should think of it as the largest project Bain Capitol has ever taken on... an immense corporation with huge assets but a horrible cash flow problem and a questionable ability so service its debt
Andwitha huge available workforce willing to work alongside him.
Andwitha huge available workforce willing to work alongside him.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 11:19 AM (OisvX)
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CIA has a nasty habit of confusing what is best for the CIA with what is best for the country. With Iraq the CIA often seemed fixated on old scores from what had been a huge CIA failure, their urging on of Iraqi insurgents in 1991. It got a lot of Iraqis killed in horrible ways to no effect after the political decision was made not to attempt the push on and topple Saddam Hussein.
It's ironic. FDR started the OSS because he worried that the intelligence operations that operated inside other agencies served those agencies instead of the President. Its successor has ended up serving itself.
It's ironic. FDR started the OSS because he worried that the intelligence operations that operated inside other agencies served those agencies instead of the President. Its successor has ended up serving itself.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 19, 2012 11:19 AM (aktqD)
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Andwitha huge available workforce willing to work alongside him.
Posted by: Decaf
And two trillion in cash waiting to be deployed.
Posted by: Decaf
And two trillion in cash waiting to be deployed.
Posted by: Roy at October 19, 2012 11:20 AM (VndSC)
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CIA has a nasty habit of confusing what is best for the CIA with what is best for the country.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 19, 2012 11:19 AM (aktqD)
That is spot on.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 19, 2012 11:19 AM (aktqD)
That is spot on.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 19, 2012 11:21 AM (oSFWF)
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CIA has a nasty habit of confusing what is best for the CIA with what is best for the country.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 19, 2012 11:19 AM (aktqD)
That is spot on.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 19, 2012 11:21 AM (oSFWF)
As a matter of fact I am going to steal that one if it is ok with NC Mountain Girl
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 19, 2012 11:19 AM (aktqD)
That is spot on.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 19, 2012 11:21 AM (oSFWF)
As a matter of fact I am going to steal that one if it is ok with NC Mountain Girl
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 19, 2012 11:21 AM (oSFWF)
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I still maintain that that video clip was sponsored by the Islamic radicals themselves to use as their Reichstag fire.
Posted by: polynikes at October 19, 2012 10:42 AM (m2CN7)
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That makes sense to me since it would explain the massive "outrage" over something that was, by all accounts, not really that outrageous. I mean, after all, if they were just looking for something to be outraged at there is tons of stuff out there far more "offensive" than this video for them to use.
But, to them, that material would be *genuinely* blasphemous so they needed some "faux-blasphemy" to get enraged at.
Enter the "Evil Video".
As for the CIA their biggest problem seems to be that they continue to be more of a fraternity than an intelligence agency.
Somewhere in my pile of stuff I have a timeline of security related incidents involving Aldrich Ames which transpired during his agency career. If he hadn't been a "legacy" he wouldn't have lasted two years on the job, but because he was "family" things were overlooked and swept under the rug- right up until he was arrested.
Posted by: polynikes at October 19, 2012 10:42 AM (m2CN7)
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That makes sense to me since it would explain the massive "outrage" over something that was, by all accounts, not really that outrageous. I mean, after all, if they were just looking for something to be outraged at there is tons of stuff out there far more "offensive" than this video for them to use.
But, to them, that material would be *genuinely* blasphemous so they needed some "faux-blasphemy" to get enraged at.
Enter the "Evil Video".
As for the CIA their biggest problem seems to be that they continue to be more of a fraternity than an intelligence agency.
Somewhere in my pile of stuff I have a timeline of security related incidents involving Aldrich Ames which transpired during his agency career. If he hadn't been a "legacy" he wouldn't have lasted two years on the job, but because he was "family" things were overlooked and swept under the rug- right up until he was arrested.
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 19, 2012 11:22 AM (RSqz2)
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Sure. If this didn't make it to the Presidents DIB then I am the Easter Bunny.
Nobody ever throws the CIA under the bus tank.
Nobody ever throws the CIA under the bus tank.
Posted by: marcus at October 19, 2012 11:22 AM (CN2Py)
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Didn't Daniel Moynihan point out that the CIA was worthless...about 30 years ago?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 19, 2012 11:22 AM (2b4yb)
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If TFG now wants to claim that he knew and said all along it was a terrorist attack, why don't they release that filmmaker from jail?
Where are all the "free speech" lefties from Hollywood and the MBM who wanted the filmmaker and Terry Jones tried as accessories to murder?
Why the apologies to his brother muzzies at the UN for the video?
Where are all the "free speech" lefties from Hollywood and the MBM who wanted the filmmaker and Terry Jones tried as accessories to murder?
Why the apologies to his brother muzzies at the UN for the video?
Posted by: kbdabear at October 19, 2012 11:23 AM (wwsoB)
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I'm sure Rob Portman's read The KRAUT 's opinion piece in yesterday's WaPo. "The Great Gaffe" or something.
Let's hope that he and his boss capitalize on it during Monday night's debate.
Let's hope that he and his boss capitalize on it during Monday night's debate.
Posted by: The littl shyning man at October 19, 2012 11:24 AM (k32cF)
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Didn't Daniel Moynihan point out that the CIA was worthless...about 30 years ago?
I'm pretty sure I've got a solution.
I'm pretty sure I've got a solution.
Posted by: Ellen Ripley at October 19, 2012 11:25 AM (NF2Bf)
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Only partially correct. The Egyptian embassy protest was actually originally announced on August 30th. It was organized by Jamaa Islamiya which is a State Department named terrorist group. The protest was organized to demand the release of the blind sheik.
Once the movie trailer was announced, the Noor party which holds about 25% of the seats in the Egyptian parliament, instructed their people to pile on.
yes
I think the JEF and CIA thought that if they armed Libyan "rebels" and released the blind sheik, they would get a favorable toehold in the "new" arab spring ME. Naive and romantic, right?
Once the movie trailer was announced, the Noor party which holds about 25% of the seats in the Egyptian parliament, instructed their people to pile on.
yes
I think the JEF and CIA thought that if they armed Libyan "rebels" and released the blind sheik, they would get a favorable toehold in the "new" arab spring ME. Naive and romantic, right?
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 11:25 AM (Dnbau)
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So, it's really kind of predictable. The real CIA guys recognize it for what it is, but the political hack overlords spin it to something else to fit Obama's narrative.
I don't think I've heard one effin' word from Petraeus, who I don't think is a hack. Isn't that strange? Has he been bound, gagged and locked in a room? Everybody in the administration is running to a mic to shovel the manure, except the head of the CIA, who can't be trusted to lie.
I don't think I've heard one effin' word from Petraeus, who I don't think is a hack. Isn't that strange? Has he been bound, gagged and locked in a room? Everybody in the administration is running to a mic to shovel the manure, except the head of the CIA, who can't be trusted to lie.
Posted by: kraki at October 19, 2012 11:26 AM (ylLDT)
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CIA has a nasty habit of confusing what is best for the CIA with what is best for the country.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. That goes double for the State Department.
The whole continuity of intelligence community issue is difficult. I'm all for everyone gets fired from every agency when an administration changes. However, you do want people with longterm understanding and longterm relationships in the intelligence field. I'm not sure how to balance that out.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. That goes double for the State Department.
The whole continuity of intelligence community issue is difficult. I'm all for everyone gets fired from every agency when an administration changes. However, you do want people with longterm understanding and longterm relationships in the intelligence field. I'm not sure how to balance that out.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. A righteous dude. at October 19, 2012 11:26 AM (VtjlW)
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@161 Thunderb
In other words, the order for revenge came out first, and then based on that signal the Imams complained and the Egyptian govt (muslim brotherhood) broadcast the film in order to provide the crowds. All plannedPosted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (Dnbau)That's certainly possible. The Danish Cartoon Jihad was carefully orchestrated for months, including using fake cartoons MUCH more offensive than the real things. Some Danish imams went to the Middle East and coordinated with the Muslim Brotherhood globally.As usual, link below.
@161 Thunderb
In other words, the order for revenge came out first, and then based on that signal the Imams complained and the Egyptian govt (muslim brotherhood) broadcast the film in order to provide the crowds. All plannedPosted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 11:11 AM (Dnbau)That's certainly possible. The Danish Cartoon Jihad was carefully orchestrated for months, including using fake cartoons MUCH more offensive than the real things. Some Danish imams went to the Middle East and coordinated with the Muslim Brotherhood globally.As usual, link below.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 11:26 AM (sOtz/)
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The CIA has been passing the White House bad information on our efforts in the Iran War - so how can we trust them now?
I swear, it's like the CIA is pointing its bullets right at this administration.
I swear, it's like the CIA is pointing its bullets right at this administration.
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 19, 2012 11:28 AM (xvtYZ)
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And two trillion in cash waiting to be deployed.
If you mean government money then no. Once businesses havethe confidence that the government is on their side they will invest their own money.
If you mean government money then no. Once businesses havethe confidence that the government is on their side they will invest their own money.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 11:28 AM (OisvX)
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Has anybody seen a dead horse around here ?
Posted by: grease monkey at October 19, 2012 11:28 AM (VSWPU)
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@187 JackStraw
That's true. The video protest dovetailed nicely with the existing plan to protest for the Blind Sheik. I was just talking about how the video came into the discussion at all.
@187 JackStraw
That's true. The video protest dovetailed nicely with the existing plan to protest for the Blind Sheik. I was just talking about how the video came into the discussion at all.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 11:29 AM (sOtz/)
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>>I think the JEF and CIA thought that if they armed Libyan "rebels" and released the blind sheik, they would get a favorable toehold in the "new" arab spring ME. Naive and romantic, right?
Remember the rumors that Obama was considering transferring the blind sheik to Egyptian *cough* prison?
Don't forget, Zawahiri is an Egyptian and unlike bin Laden he has always been more about attacking infidels in Islamic countries than around the world. He is also al big supporter of the blind sheik who was the first guy who tried to take the World Trade Towers.
Obama is a liar and a loser.
Remember the rumors that Obama was considering transferring the blind sheik to Egyptian *cough* prison?
Don't forget, Zawahiri is an Egyptian and unlike bin Laden he has always been more about attacking infidels in Islamic countries than around the world. He is also al big supporter of the blind sheik who was the first guy who tried to take the World Trade Towers.
Obama is a liar and a loser.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 19, 2012 11:29 AM (TMB3S)
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I am telling you the CIA and State pull heavily from Georgetown, which is deeply Islamacist from taking all those petro dollars. It has always been that way.
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 11:30 AM (Dnbau)
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Has anybody seen a dead horse around here ?
Posted by: grease monkey at October 19, 2012 11:28 AM (VSWPU)
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I think the head was found in Petraeus's bed. The rear was found in Hillary's bed.
Posted by: grease monkey at October 19, 2012 11:28 AM (VSWPU)
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I think the head was found in Petraeus's bed. The rear was found in Hillary's bed.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 19, 2012 11:30 AM (6W127)
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I am right next to my sorry ass!
Posted by: Barkys left nut at October 19, 2012 11:31 AM (Oi60j)
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The President is still muddying the waters and tooting his horn to the American people. Last night on Jon Stewart, while going down the list of his accomplishments, he actually said something along the lines of Al Quaeda is on the ropes/on the run like they've been defeated. He used the word optimal first, then Stewart did, then Obama said it again with the sentence that got picked up.The audience and Stewart couldn't get enough of him.
As far as the AP story today with the CIA knowing within 24 hours, etc., b.s!...they obviously knew it within minutes. Afterall, the 30+ members showed up at the plane(s) when everybody had to evacuate. Chaffetz freaked when Lamb showed the satellite poster board of the secret CIA facility at the hearing. She just sat there and blinked like it was neither here nor there.
The President is still muddying the waters and tooting his horn to the American people. Last night on Jon Stewart, while going down the list of his accomplishments, he actually said something along the lines of Al Quaeda is on the ropes/on the run like they've been defeated. He used the word optimal first, then Stewart did, then Obama said it again with the sentence that got picked up.The audience and Stewart couldn't get enough of him.
As far as the AP story today with the CIA knowing within 24 hours, etc., b.s!...they obviously knew it within minutes. Afterall, the 30+ members showed up at the plane(s) when everybody had to evacuate. Chaffetz freaked when Lamb showed the satellite poster board of the secret CIA facility at the hearing. She just sat there and blinked like it was neither here nor there.
Posted by: concrete girl at October 19, 2012 11:31 AM (y2Ojs)
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>>That's true. The video protest dovetailed nicely with the existing plan to protest for the Blind Sheik. I was just talking about how the video came into the discussion at all.
Roger that. Just pointing out the real reason for the attack was the blind sheik and al Qaeda has been behind this all along.
If a moron like me knew this within days of the attack then there is no way in hell, regardless of what the CIA did or didn't do, that Obama didn't know this.
Roger that. Just pointing out the real reason for the attack was the blind sheik and al Qaeda has been behind this all along.
If a moron like me knew this within days of the attack then there is no way in hell, regardless of what the CIA did or didn't do, that Obama didn't know this.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 19, 2012 11:31 AM (TMB3S)
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The rear was found in Hillary's bed.
Pretty sure that horse's ass hasn't ben in Hillary's bed since 1979.
Pretty sure that horse's ass hasn't ben in Hillary's bed since 1979.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at October 19, 2012 11:32 AM (/kI1Q)
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If a moron like me knew this within days of the attack then there is no
way in hell, regardless of what the CIA did or didn't do, that Obama
didn't know this.
Sure there is. You think of people other than yourself.
way in hell, regardless of what the CIA did or didn't do, that Obama
didn't know this.
Sure there is. You think of people other than yourself.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 19, 2012 11:32 AM (8y9MW)
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181 Anna Puma
That was kinda funny in a creepy way....the recipient of the leg grab looked none too happy about it...heh
That was kinda funny in a creepy way....the recipient of the leg grab looked none too happy about it...heh
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 19, 2012 11:33 AM (JWLqy)
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I am telling you the CIA and State pull heavily from Georgetown, which is deeply Islamacist from taking all those petro dollars. It has always been that way.
So CIA is recruiting from Sandra Fluke's stomping ground. That explains everything.
So CIA is recruiting from Sandra Fluke's stomping ground. That explains everything.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 11:35 AM (OisvX)
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Petraeus is silent cause the CIA was in on it. They are not gonna turn on the JEF. A flunkey will do.
Posted by: Thunderb at October 19, 2012 11:35 AM (Dnbau)
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This isn't just a CIA problem. This is the natural result of any entrenched beureaucracy. An institutional mindset takes over whereby everyone is simply protecting their turf. And this isn't just something you see in government. Big corporations face similar problems. Of course it is much more difficult to deal with in government because of politics and potential life and death consequences within certain departments (CIA, State, Defense).
The only real solution is a trimmed down government.
The only real solution is a trimmed down government.
Posted by: SH at October 19, 2012 11:35 AM (gmeXX)
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kawfytawk, get the feeling the officer was thinking 'I can't b*tchslap him or the Secret Service will tase me." And look at the other cop in the brown hat, I think he is glaring at Biden.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 19, 2012 11:36 AM (6W127)
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HeatherRadish, okay not talking Bill Clinton. But LOL
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 19, 2012 11:37 AM (6W127)
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The only real solution is a trimmed down government.
Posted by: SH at October 19, 2012 11:35 AM (gmeXX)
I'm convinced the main reason Government is so bloated is because they need a barrel of monkeys to pin blame on if something goes wrong.
Posted by: SH at October 19, 2012 11:35 AM (gmeXX)
I'm convinced the main reason Government is so bloated is because they need a barrel of monkeys to pin blame on if something goes wrong.
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 19, 2012 11:37 AM (JWLqy)
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If a moron like me knew this within days of the attack then there is no way in hell, regardless of what the CIA did or didn't do, that Obama didn't know this.
JackStraw, how would he know it if he never meets with his security advisers. He knows what Valerie Jarratt lets him know.
JackStraw, how would he know it if he never meets with his security advisers. He knows what Valerie Jarratt lets him know.
Posted by: Decaf at October 19, 2012 11:38 AM (OisvX)
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BTW, the humor chip upgrade to Mitt was excellent last night at the AESmith dinner.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at October 19, 2012 11:15 AM (QupBk)
I always tried to tell you guys that the 'robot' meme was patently false. Actually someone, can't remember, threatened to punch Romney in the 2008 race and he responded off the cuff , that its okay just don't mess with the hair. His pretty quick with the wit.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at October 19, 2012 11:15 AM (QupBk)
I always tried to tell you guys that the 'robot' meme was patently false. Actually someone, can't remember, threatened to punch Romney in the 2008 race and he responded off the cuff , that its okay just don't mess with the hair. His pretty quick with the wit.
Posted by: polynikes at October 19, 2012 11:39 AM (m2CN7)
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Secret Service parallel, “intel hits” what was known when...(Jake Tapper yesterday)
The Inspector General report contradicts Secret Service claim that corruption soliciting prostitutes and cover ups are not part of the SS culture. Aside from incidents occurring in Colombia, El Salvador and Panama, allegations of misconduct by agents includes
trips to Romania and China. Details from the report, labeled “law
enforcement sensitive,” were shared with ABC News by sources who had
reviewed it.
The Inspector General report contradicts Secret Service claim that corruption soliciting prostitutes and cover ups are not part of the SS culture. Aside from incidents occurring in Colombia, El Salvador and Panama, allegations of misconduct by agents includes
trips to Romania and China. Details from the report, labeled “law
enforcement sensitive,” were shared with ABC News by sources who had
reviewed it.
Posted by: panzernashorn at October 19, 2012 11:42 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Whoopie Goldberg at October 19, 2012 11:43 AM (IoNBC)
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224 "The DHS inspector general has faced challenges in his investigation,
with 10 senior and current Secret Service officials refusing to grant
him or his investigators an interview." ABC News
Then what the hell good is DHS, supposedly the uberbrain that our Constitutional Republic lacked and "required" in order to assimilate intelligence?
with 10 senior and current Secret Service officials refusing to grant
him or his investigators an interview." ABC News
Then what the hell good is DHS, supposedly the uberbrain that our Constitutional Republic lacked and "required" in order to assimilate intelligence?
Posted by: panzernashorn at October 19, 2012 11:44 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: panzernashorn at October 19, 2012 11:47 AM (BAnPT)
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Both Georgetown and Harvard have taken tens of millions of Saudi petrodollars for Islamic centers and other things.
If you wanted to buy influence, hard to imagine two better places. Other than the White House and Congress, which have also been enriched.
Both Georgetown and Harvard have taken tens of millions of Saudi petrodollars for Islamic centers and other things.
If you wanted to buy influence, hard to imagine two better places. Other than the White House and Congress, which have also been enriched.
Posted by: Beagle at October 19, 2012 11:47 AM (sOtz/)
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Remember all those quaint comparisons to Carter, and who was the all time worst?
Carter was a drifting, lefty suck pill sourpuss, but he couldn't hold a candle to this gaping chasm of commie corruption and ineptitude.
After all the unbelievable shite of the last 3 years, no one with half a brain and at least one oar in the water could make this moviepalooza loser up and then run with it for 2 fucking weeks.
Carter was a drifting, lefty suck pill sourpuss, but he couldn't hold a candle to this gaping chasm of commie corruption and ineptitude.
After all the unbelievable shite of the last 3 years, no one with half a brain and at least one oar in the water could make this moviepalooza loser up and then run with it for 2 fucking weeks.
Posted by: ontherocks at October 19, 2012 11:51 AM (aZ6ew)
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Pick off peripheral agencies first.
The BATFE should go.
1) The FBI can absorb the actual duties now that they're more of an actual police force.
2) FF is a never-ending pile and will clearly have plenty of shameful crap if you purposely declassify and expose it. Which should be able to do.
Next up: TSA.
The BATFE should go.
1) The FBI can absorb the actual duties now that they're more of an actual police force.
2) FF is a never-ending pile and will clearly have plenty of shameful crap if you purposely declassify and expose it. Which should be able to do.
Next up: TSA.
Posted by: Al at October 19, 2012 11:55 AM (MzQOZ)
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@181: The look on the policeman's face that Biden has his hand on is priceless. Should do a caption contest with that one.
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at October 19, 2012 11:55 AM (izA2D)
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Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: steevy at October 19, 2012 12:35 PM (6o4Fb)
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In future, maybe the US Ambassador to anywhere even the slightest bit risky has to be given shooting lessons and an automatic rifle with bullets dipped in pork grease. That way, if the security detail fails and the Islamists nail him, at least he dies fighting on his feet, not on his hands and knees with a blunt object jammed up his arse. And as an added bonus, anyone he takes with him goes straight to hell.
Posted by: perturbed at October 19, 2012 01:39 PM (u6Ueb)
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215 181 Anna Puma That was kinda funny in a creepy way....the recipient of the leg grab looked none too happy about it...heh<<
Caption entry:
"Yes, Mr. Vice President, I did see the movie Deliverance...uh, why do you ask?"
Caption entry:
"Yes, Mr. Vice President, I did see the movie Deliverance...uh, why do you ask?"
Posted by: Honda at October 19, 2012 01:40 PM (3WSn4)
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WRT to the 2007 NIE the two main perpetrators of the Iraq is out of the bomb business were not CIA but more closely allied with State . They wrote the all important executive summary.
Posted by: davod at October 19, 2012 01:47 PM (C5U9L)
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Everyone will blame a midlevel functionary
We have a dead ambassador. That goes to the top. This isn't a standard 'The embassy Coke Machine is out of Sprite' type of event that the mid-level will deal with.
We have a dead ambassador. That goes to the top. This isn't a standard 'The embassy Coke Machine is out of Sprite' type of event that the mid-level will deal with.
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at October 19, 2012 02:08 PM (UU0OF)
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"It is unclear who, if anyone, saw the cable outside the CIA at that point and how high up in the agency the information went."
In other words, Obie's organization isn't very organized. The blame for that goes to the top, as it should.
In other words, Obie's organization isn't very organized. The blame for that goes to the top, as it should.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 19, 2012 02:15 PM (vd7A8)
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And... the average class size is 11? That's not a class, that's an arena football squad. Including the punter/kicker.
Judging from LAWRENCE, That's not a class, that's a lingerie football team.
Judging from LAWRENCE, That's not a class, that's a lingerie football team.
Posted by: Vladtheimp at October 19, 2012 05:26 PM (Wnsqp)
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32
Look, I am doing the best job that I possibly can. I have fundraisers to
attend, campaign speeches to make and another debate to prepare for. I
can focus effectively on my job once I win this election thingy.
Frankly, if I wasn't black I highly doubt that I would be catching so
much crap for this.
I bet none of you haters even knew where Benghazi was before this less than optimal event happened.
Posted by: P*I*N*O / President in Name Only at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (4eNxd)
Get some rest. If you haven't got your health, then you haven't got anything.
Look, I am doing the best job that I possibly can. I have fundraisers to
attend, campaign speeches to make and another debate to prepare for. I
can focus effectively on my job once I win this election thingy.
Frankly, if I wasn't black I highly doubt that I would be catching so
much crap for this.
I bet none of you haters even knew where Benghazi was before this less than optimal event happened.
Posted by: P*I*N*O / President in Name Only at October 19, 2012 10:32 AM (4eNxd)
Get some rest. If you haven't got your health, then you haven't got anything.
Posted by: redclay at October 19, 2012 10:52 PM (xatoT)
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