Chicago Teachers Leave Hundreds of Thousands of Kids Without An Education, For the Children, Or Something
They could make so much more in another field, you know.
Just ask 'em.
Chicago teachers have the highest average salary of any city at $76,000 a year before benefits. The average family in the city only earns $47,000 a year. Yet the teachers rejected a 16 percent salary increase over four years at a time when most families are not getting any raises or are looking for work. The city is being bled dry by the exorbitant benefits packages negotiated by previous elected officials. Teachers pay only 3 percent of their health-care costs and out of every new dollar set aside for public education in Illinois in the last five years, a full 71 cents has gone to teacher retirement costs. But beyond the dollars, the fact is that Chicago schools need a fundamental shakeup — which of course the union is resisting. It is calling for changes in the teacher-evaluation system it just negotiated by making student performance less important.It's all for the children, all of it, all for the children. Why don't you understand? President Present: No comment, says Jay Carney.
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Posted by: i am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore at September 10, 2012 05:17 PM (cgxNI)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:17 PM (9TTOe)
Posted by: fluffy on the roof at September 10, 2012 05:18 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:18 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Penfold at September 10, 2012 05:19 PM (1PeEC)
Posted by: Will be taking applications & buying love slaves nice things using oil stock dividends after R/R win at September 10, 2012 05:19 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: dantesed at September 10, 2012 05:19 PM (3aU+6)
Posted by: Penfold at September 10, 2012 05:20 PM (1PeEC)
Posted by: Baghdad Jimmy-Joe at September 10, 2012 05:20 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: mediumheadboy at September 10, 2012 05:20 PM (aHR5E)
Fuck them all. And both my late parents were NYC teachers (while still alive, unlike most of today's NYC teachers).
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2012 05:20 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: dantesed at September 10, 2012 05:20 PM (3aU+6)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:21 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Sinclair Lewis at September 10, 2012 05:21 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: wooga at September 10, 2012 05:21 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: Adam at September 10, 2012 05:21 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Sigmund Freud at September 10, 2012 05:21 PM (e8kgV)
Don't let a crisis go to waste!
Posted by: i am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore at September 10, 2012 05:22 PM (cgxNI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2012 05:22 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at September 10, 2012 05:22 PM (zxrQh)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:22 PM (bx23n)
Posted by: Chris M at September 10, 2012 05:23 PM (b3vSq)
Tip for obnoxious union members: if you can be easily replaced, and if your job security depends on the willingness of the taxpayer to foot the bill for sheer incompetence, you should be a little more circumspect about your attitude.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 05:23 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Harry Reid (Pederast) at September 10, 2012 05:23 PM (0j3R9)
Posted by: cajun carrot at September 10, 2012 05:23 PM (UZQM8)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:23 PM (bx23n)
I'm sure Allen G will have a post about them on his blog shortly.
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at September 10, 2012 05:24 PM (zxrQh)
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:24 PM (0j3R9)
You aren't working families. You're fucking civil servants. Overpaid, incompetent, highly entitled and contemptuous civil servants.
Posted by: joeindc44 will boo your chosen deity on TV some day too at September 10, 2012 05:24 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: George Wallace at September 10, 2012 05:24 PM (e8kgV)
The problem is 1) Discipline in the class room.
And 2) Insistence upon standards.
We have taken most of the power of teachers and principles away.
What do you expect in a classroom with no discipline and no respect for actual learning? And very negative consequences for improper behavior.
Posted by: Jack at September 10, 2012 05:24 PM (wUFaM)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 10, 2012 05:24 PM (vbh31)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: PR at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (KHo8t)
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (0j3R9)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (bx23n)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (tf9Ne)
Interesting how they're still opening the schools so the chilluns can still get their free meals.
If there's one thing these people know how to do, it's avoid the damning news story about hungry kids who just want a hot breakfast, but can't get it because the teachers want a higher COLA.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (6TB1Z)
Education grads have the lowest mean GRE scores of anyone, including lower math scores than English grads and lower overall scores than the super-retarded sociology grads. They're just that bad. They don't merit minimum wage, to be perfectly honest.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Jack at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (wUFaM)
No. I leave those discussions here.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: Lauren at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (wsGWu)
Come to think of it, most of my teachers were on the skinny side.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (mZ8Y2)
Is she the one on the right in the photo?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: Teachers Union Sentient Robot Cheetah at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: i am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (cgxNI)
Prediction:
This is all orchestrated for Obama to step in and mediate a deal. It IS an election year, no??
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (C8hzL)
"What do we want? CUPCAKES! When do we want them? NOW!"
"No Jelly Donuts, No Peace!"
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (BJVEF)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (tf9Ne)
Shouldn't the First Lady be decrying unions?!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (GEICT)
Those two hotties up front won't be corrupting some poor unsuspecting school boys by having sex with them. For a while at least.
Posted by: Welshorne Skroat III at September 10, 2012 05:26 PM (AlQdV)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:27 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at September 10, 2012 05:27 PM (zxrQh)
Posted by: Vic at September 10, 2012 05:27 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Honey Badger the Dense Rethuglican Nazi Bastard at September 10, 2012 05:27 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: joeindc44 will boo your chosen deity on TV some day too at September 10, 2012 05:27 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 10, 2012 05:27 PM (vbh31)
Do you mean that the civil servants view their benefactors with contempt (contemptuous), or that we should view the teachers with contempt (contemptible). Ah, I see. No need to choose.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 05:28 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 10, 2012 05:28 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Penfold at September 10, 2012 05:28 PM (1PeEC)
Charter schools are in bed with corporations. They are taking resources from public systems and should be stopped.
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:28 PM (AK1Ip)
Hey girl, it's food not love.
Posted by: joeindc44 will boo your chosen deity on TV some day too at September 10, 2012 05:28 PM (QxSug)
@13,
Yeah, some broad in Twitter tried that one. Told her she should have her pay cut since she made no difference.
She told me that my "functionality based argument is asinine."
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 10, 2012 05:28 PM (Bdaaw)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2012 05:28 PM (d0Tfm)
instruction, parent contact, meetings etc require significant
dedication. Go chicago!
Why is literacy declining in America?
Posted by: fluffy at September 10, 2012 05:28 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Jack at September 10, 2012 05:24 PM (wUFaM)
Nothing. Get rid of them.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (bxiXv)
Dont wurry racsicst Obama will come to awr rescue and give us awl we want!
Posted by: Shoplivta Brown-Harris, Proud Member of CTU and English Teacher At Fenger High (No Fatalities This S at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (VMcoS)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (BJVEF)
I am on the Samsung Galaxy, but I think sheis the one on Fox's story on it. I mean they are all beautiful, it is like a pasture in central Texas.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (bx23n)
My grandmother was a NYC schoolteacher. Perfect grammar. It was odd. She used to look at me like I was some kind of retarded subhuman when I used anything other than correct English. She actually asked my grandfather (a pediatrician) if I was a little slow.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: joeindc44 will boo your chosen deity on TV some day too at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: PR at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (KHo8t)
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (0j3R9)
i is frum chikago and i thnk thas artilce is a bunsh of ballshet
the techars theer are the bestist!!
RASICTS!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: UrbanSubsidies at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (ggRof)
Not enough. Though really what I need is other people pimping by blog on teh Tweet.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (8y9MW)
Nag? Feel free. It is apt and short.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:25 PM (bx23n)
I'm a Teacher in a non union state. Unions are only part of the problem. Teachers now lack the ability to remove problem students from their classrooms because of Lawsuits. Can't remove problem teachers because of, Lawsuits. Can't teach the word of God because of, Lawsuits. Why are things so FKD up?
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (mZ8Y2)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (AK1Ip)
Incorrect. As true today as ever. Go check the ETS web site ... if you can deal with numbers over 20.
Are you telling me a science teacher is overpaid?
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:27 PM (AK1Ip)
Are you unable to read?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (K4AdI)
They sure picked the right time to do it though. No way this gets very long because it would hurt Obama to have his home state full of striking fat heifers demanding more money.
Teachers' unions have absolutely no concern for children, not a bit. They exist only for the teachers and especially the union leadership. And, of course, the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (r4wIV)
Those "ladies" look supiciously alot like the fine gals in the "dont rape me bro" thread. hmmmmmmmm.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (C8hzL)
Posted by: joeindc44 will boo your chosen deity on TV some day too at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 10, 2012 05:30 PM (GEICT)
No, it's true today. Is a science teacher overpaid? Depends. Does the science teacher have an honest to god science degree, or a degree in pedagogy? And even if the former, it depends on whether you can hire someone with that real science degree for less.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (bx23n)
He was referring to the teachers, not the kids.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: dantesed at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (3aU+6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: runningrn at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (WGmy2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Lauren at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (wsGWu)
Those who can't teach.
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:29 PM (0j3R9)
Fuck you Garret. I'll take your ass on financially or academically anytime. Don't say shit like that cause it's not true. You know better.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Honey Badger the Dense Rethuglican Nazi Bastard at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (mZ8Y2)
The difference of course is that RG3 is worth it.
Also that I'm not forced to pay RG3's salary.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:31 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (W2Z3C)
Posted by: fluffy at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (z9HTb)
Send in the Let's Move squad.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (ZPuY0)
oh and yeah, went to private grade and public high/ private high midway
shoutout to our lady of mt carmel, lane tech and holy trinity!!
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (Shrag)
Miss Crabtree weeps.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (bx23n)
Posted by: joeindc44 will boo your chosen deity on TV some day too at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (VMcoS)
LAWYERS
*spit*
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (WyvSj)
Waco Kid: Stampeding cattle.
Hedley LaMarr: That's not much of a crime.
Sheriff Bart: Through the Vatican?
Hedley LaMarr: Kinky! I like it!
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (zxrQh)
I was referring to the one in the photo at the top of this post...and then I was going to make fun of you.
Thanks for screwing up the joke.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:33 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: 80sBaby at September 10, 2012 05:33 PM (YjDyJ)
The new republican governor in Michigan is encouraging schools to get their benefits costs under control. He had cut some of their funding, but is giving funding back to districts that get their benefits under control. These changes aren't short term help, such as the stimulus money that went to schools.
My sister in law has been bitching because she now, as a retiree, has to pay 20% of her premiums.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 10, 2012 05:33 PM (SVfeX)
Posted by: joeindc44 will boo your chosen deity on TV some day too at September 10, 2012 05:33 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:33 PM (AK1Ip)
I hope it spreads.
The kids are probably getting smarter by the minute not being locked up in pens several hours a day being led in a monosyllabic sing-along by a collectivist drone.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 10, 2012 05:33 PM (bxiXv)
What is the thinking on this, if they hate lunch, they'll hate school, and then they won't come back and become lardtastic union hacks?
Posted by: entropy at September 10, 2012 05:33 PM (YUttk)
If Rahm listens to the same people that advise Walker, he may be able to do something positive for Chicago. But it will be painful. a LOOOONNNGGG Strike would be needed. Aint gonna happen.
Too many people are willing to capitulate too quickly to this type of extortion.
Dead Children? The union will say a few words, but does not give a shit. They know it ups the pressure on the Chicago negotiators. Those uncaring bastards on the city side only care about money (and teachers don't!?!?)
Failed tests and kids that cannot graduate? Too bad! If only Chicago gave us everything we asked for.
Kids cannot read? Not our fault! We are only teachers, we are not to blame if YOUR kid cannot read. WE won't let you even test the teachers to see if they are competent.
Posted by: rd at September 10, 2012 05:34 PM (9sUlj)
Posted by: Picric at September 10, 2012 05:34 PM (ZiQ5I)
I mean, "educator."
Matt Damon.
Matt Damon!
MAATTTTTTTT DAAMMMOONNNNNNN!!
Posted by: General Zod at September 10, 2012 05:34 PM (2+bRt)
Posted by: UrbanStudies
Lol, if only that were true.
Posted by: Penfold at September 10, 2012 05:34 PM (1PeEC)
Posted by: UrbanSubsidies at September 10, 2012 05:34 PM (ggRof)
"No reason" including carnal knowledge of students, inability to do their fucking job, trying to indoctrinate rather than do their job, etc etc
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:34 PM (bx23n)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: Optimizer at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (As94z)
This a.m., Rush said that the graduation rate in Chicago public schools is barely 50% and in charter schools, 90%. But gee, which option do Democrats support and which one dothey demonize?
Democrats have done so much damage to the Black community. It's absolutely disgusting.
Posted by: runningrn at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (WGmy2)
in pens several hours a day being led in a monosyllabic sing-along by a
collectivist drone.
It's like raising veal.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (vbh31)
There are some great teachers out there, just like there are moderate Muslims and modern musicians.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (r4wIV)
Welcome! You are new here, so just a short primer on the informal rules.
If you say stunningly stupid stuff that is objectively incorrect, you will be mocked.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (AK1Ip)
I used to like this woman and it is getting to the point where it is very difficult for me to have a visit with her without getting into it.
I avoid bringing up topics that I know we disagree on. But she brings them up, because her union brainwashing has her convinced that what they promote is absolutely correct, and no sane person would disagree with their point of view.
These union teachers are totally oblivious to the economic sacrifices that others have had to make. They just plain don't think in terms of anyone but themselves.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (SVfeX)
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 05:36 PM (W2Z3C)
Posted by: General Zod at September 10, 2012 05:36 PM (2+bRt)
Union kabuki to aide in Obama's re-election.
Cause a bit of controllable chaos, so President 3 words can ride in the on the white (racist?) horse and save the day...for the CHIIIILDRENNNNNN!
There are no coincidences with this bunch.
Posted by: AtlasMugged at September 10, 2012 05:36 PM (u0GTE)
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:36 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: ejo at September 10, 2012 05:36 PM (7DzVb)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (r4wIV)
You can suck my dick. I'm a very good Math teacher.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (r4wIV)
You could accomplish the democrats goals more cheaply by having 1 teacher for every 50 students who show up at the library. Hell you could cater the damn thing. Let the kids finish each other off or go Pooki.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (bx23n)
I said, "so why don't they work for free?"
He's the same one that keeps posting a bunch of shit for some stupid "one million strong against Mitt Romney" that has some 250k members.
I'm thinking I need to respond to him the next time he posts one of those, "Not sure I can trust any site that represents that they are one million when they are actually a quarter of that."
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (imtbm)
?
@119
Pedagogy is just as important as science. Sciencemajors need to learn to communicate and work with children.
No, it isn't. If you don't understand the material, you can't teach it. You can teach it badly if you understand it, but still teach it. And in any case, pedagogy tends to be 2-bit concepts wrapped up in 64-dollar phrases. It ain't that hard. In fact, most people properly motivated can do it. Most can't learn science well enough to really teach it.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (6TB1Z)
It is well past time to start over from square one.
Posted by: fluffy at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: Brown Line at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (zVyMI)
Teachers can get sued for no reason and be removed. That is why they need union protection.
Yeah, right. That's why M.D.'s are all unionized too.
Posted by: runningrn at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (WGmy2)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:38 PM (AK1Ip)
And there are moderate Muslims. There are even a few good modern musicians. I wasn't saying they're a myth, I was saying they're rare and under represented.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:38 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:38 PM (bx23n)
My apologies...I didn't realize that you are a sock.
[Just a suggestion: tune up the logic, it makes it more amusing and believable]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:38 PM (2b4yb)
Teachers can get sued for no reason and be removed. That is why they need union protection.
Posted by: UrbanStudies
Ah, I get it. US is a troll. Say no more.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (6TB1Z)
By the way, most of the strikers' children go to private schools because the public schools are failures. Same with most Dem leaders, including Rahm.
Posted by: ejo at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (7DzVb)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (9TTOe)
Is it wrong to wish this cess-pool follows Detroit over the cliff?
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (a4CUi)
And we wonder how the phenomena of hot 20 something girl teacher sleeping with 14 year old boys started.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (WyvSj)
The fine for failing to close your formatting tags is 1 internetz. That is increased to 1 internetz and a turn in the barrel if your carry-over mess up other people's posts, too.
Sorry. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (bx23n)
Or, any reason at all. You can molest kids in your class and keep your job! You can suck completely and have all your kids fail, and keep your job!
Guess what, everyone can be fired for bad reasons and no reasons. That's part of being hired and working for someone else, you work at their pleasure and for their money. Deal with it, everyone else has to. If the reason is illegal, you can take them to court.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:39 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 10, 2012 05:35 PM (vbh31)
Veal doesn't vote.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 10, 2012 05:40 PM (bxiXv)
GRE's at dawn, sir!
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:40 PM (0j3R9)
Posted by: African American Studies in Midwifery during the 1800s at September 10, 2012 05:40 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:40 PM (AK1Ip)
By the way, most of the strikers' children go to private schools
because the public schools are failures. Same with most Dem leaders,
including Rahm.
Yes Rahms little darlings go to a school that costs 25,000 a year. Of course that is probably half of the per student cost in Chicago paid for by the public...
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 05:40 PM (W2Z3C)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 10, 2012 05:40 PM (D9CxV)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:37 PM (9TTOe)
Picturing you writing that on the chalkboard on the first day of school. (with an exclamation point, of course)
Posted by: Welshorne Skroat III at September 10, 2012 05:40 PM (AlQdV)
Or they're forced by administration to "fail" kids up to the next grade. Ever wonder why so many incoming college freshmen have to take remedial classes?
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 10, 2012 05:40 PM (mZ8Y2)
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager at September 10, 2012 05:41 PM (sTS/8)
Posted by: avi at September 10, 2012 05:41 PM (51xVX)
But this only goes so far. Parents are desperate to send their kids to private schools for a reason. We are spending almost $20,000 per child to allegedly educate him/her.
Better just to give the money directly to the parents so they can send to kid to a private school. Public schools are a disaster in every way, not only for the kids but for the future of this country.
Chickens, roosts, etc.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2012 05:41 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 10, 2012 05:41 PM (vbh31)
The problem is the system is now set up to encourage the bad by protecting them and not encouraging the good. And what's worse, the educational philosophy and materials is corrosive to liberty, reason, and the future.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:41 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (Shrag)
At one lunch bull session it was mentioned that he was a Chicago school teacher, English his specialty. Yeah, right, though I, that's just cruel.
But I made the point to engage the guy in conversation, and not only did he teach in the Chicago school system, but he taught...........English. At the very same high school my parents moved out of Chicago to avoid me going to it.
Strange, but true.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (VMcoS)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (a4CUi)
But I should get extra credit for closing them a few posts later. Please mistress, not the lash!
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (6TB1Z)
I think Mitt should take a little risk here and stick his beak in.
Just say get back to work and be grateful you have jobs.
Posted by: soothsayer at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (OgiBc)
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model - (n): a cheap plastic down scaled replica of the real article.
Posted by: Merriam - Webster at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (C8hzL)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (bx23n)
Posted by: Penfold at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (1PeEC)
Posted by: Adam at September 10, 2012 05:43 PM (/YJYi)
Chicago=Obama
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:43 PM (AK1Ip)
I'm not going to bother looking up the data for Chicago's school district, but most big school districts spend between $300,000 and $500,00 PER CLASSROOM.
How they are unable to teach the vast majority of kids with that much cash is beyond me...
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2012 05:43 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Chicago Teacher's Moo-nion (pictured) at September 10, 2012 05:43 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Veal at September 10, 2012 05:43 PM (vbh31)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (bx23n)
Posted by: UrbanSubsidies at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (ggRof)
College students are presumed to be adults, so its nobody's business who they make the two backed beast with, etc. Its just a professional ethics problem if you bone that cute coed that's in your class.
Of course, the creepy "he's 40 and she's barely 18" thing should apply too but the guys who make those rules are hoping that happens to them.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (Shrag)
Well I for one vote for veal!
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 05:42 PM (a4CUi)
Savages! Animals have feelings too!
Posted by: PETA at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (/YJYi)
the last five years, a full 71 cents has gone to teacher retirement
costs.
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But we have to INVEST in EDUCATION!!
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (P6QsQ)
Garrett is slightly off.
The correct quotation is:
Those who can -- do.
Those who can't -- teach.
Those who can't teach -- teach math.
Just trying to help.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (2b4yb)
Far, far too much scholarship going on there.
Try African American Studies in Midwifery in Alice Walker Novels.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (NRwWP)
the worst are the families of teachers fired here when the union said "we want our raise, so fire those new teachers". Or the families of the people who took on debt to get a master's degree in special ed and regular ed cause they were told "it would be easier to get a job" and now they can't get one. The people in those jobs aren't moving. They have it too good. A lot of them not only had their master's paid for by the districts but also have "summer learning workshops"...at lovely vacation venues, paid for by the district. Plus the best health insurance, pensions and all the other little perks you find out about when you start to dig.
And the school district I attended was in the top ten in the country when I was there and it has fallen to below 100 yet they have been given raises and all manner of little nice things....
They all have tenure. They obviously, if the school district has fallen in the rankings, aren't doing their jobs....but they prevail and my parents property taxes keep going up.
My mom remembers when they said the lottery would go towards education. That hasn't happened as property taxes have continued to go up, so everyone always asks "where did the lottery money go?"
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (oZfic)
Then it's only a viable tissue mass, so it conforms to the Dem party platform!
Mangia!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Dang at September 10, 2012 05:44 PM (R18D0)
Please please use a hyphen. When you mean to call somone a 'spokes-hag' and you leave out they hyphen, it's way too easy to misread it as 'spoke-shag', and that's not good.
Posted by: Dr. Weevil at September 10, 2012 05:45 PM (IEmXK)
Great go private tutor make more money in all likelihood.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:38 PM (bx23n)
No, it was never about the money. I quit a six figure job to become a math Teacher. I failed 7th grade Algebra because my teacher was a FKING CNT.
I knew I could do better. After 20 years in factories and on the corporate hampster wheel, I made enough money to do what I want. I went back to College and got another degree. This one in education. Yes, I could write an entire book on what a FKN fraudulent experiance that was. I just wanted to be better than what I had. FYI, Mrs. Sailor makes big coin and OK'd this move.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:45 PM (9TTOe)
Good thing you're not a very good English teacher. Math isn't a proper noun. "Math" wouldn't be capitalized unless it began a sentence or was used as part of the title for a specific math class.
Posted by: General Zod at September 10, 2012 05:45 PM (2+bRt)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 10, 2012 05:45 PM (Bdaaw)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:45 PM (AK1Ip)
I always heard:
Those who can - do.
Those who can't - teach.
Those who can't teach - set policy.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:45 PM (8y9MW)
I'm no carnivore, but I'd kill a calf with a tack hammer myself if it meant getting some veal.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:46 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:46 PM (0j3R9)
You are in so much trouble.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 10, 2012 05:46 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Lauren at September 10, 2012 05:46 PM (wsGWu)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:46 PM (bx23n)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at September 10, 2012 05:46 PM (VMcoS)
198 And the school district I attended was in the top ten in the country
you can also go eat a dick
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:46 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: Urban Studiezzz at September 10, 2012 05:47 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: runningrn at September 10, 2012 05:47 PM (WGmy2)
Posted by: General Zod at September 10, 2012 05:45 PM (2+bRt)
I think it's proof he's a German spy.
Posted by: UrbanSubsidies at September 10, 2012 05:47 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: Thorisin at September 10, 2012 05:47 PM (xMq47)
Posted by: steevy at September 10, 2012 05:47 PM (6o4Fb)
One benefit of our opponents being brain dead liberals is that they believe their creation mythology, "workers unit, revolution, etc. etc." bullshit.
Posted by: joeindc44 will boo your chosen deity on TV some day too at September 10, 2012 05:47 PM (QxSug)
And gently remind them that they are the highest paid teachers in the country, and that they are paid with tax dollars.
And also remind them of their graduation rate of around 50%.
(This is why I'm not a politician.)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2012 05:47 PM (d0Tfm)
Intended Major: Verbal, Quantitative, Anlytical Writing
EDUCATION: 151, 148, 3.9
Arts - Performance Arts: 153, 150, 3.8
English Language, Literature: 157, 148, 4.3
Education grads are the dumbest of anyone. This is appropriate as the Edecation Department is the biggest collection of retards at any University - and that's no mean feat given the unbelievable idiots who populate the various joke departments that sociology and psychology spawned.
The friggin actors core better than the education idiots. The fact that society lets this group of retards make any decisions. let alone determining what children should learn (most of which the educators don't know, themselves) is beyond ridiculous.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2012 05:47 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (bx23n)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (AK1Ip)
Or "buy one, get five free!" at Pizza Hut.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (vbh31)
I'm seeing a cost push effect in Chicago's future.
Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:46 PM (0j3R9)
I was just stirring the pot with Oldsailors Poet.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (SUKHu)
"Education grads are the dumbest of anyone." Then why are teachers earning more than most economics majors in the private sector??
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:49 PM (AK1Ip)
I mean really - a Chicago teacher's union doing this? Now?? It's almost too perfect a gift to us... a huge loud fat greedy angry union mob demanding more taxpayer money just 50-some days away from the election.
Posted by: weew at September 10, 2012 05:49 PM (ElfHn)
Posted by: runningrn at September 10, 2012 05:49 PM (WGmy2)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:49 PM (bx23n)
I was just stirring the pot with Oldsailors Poet.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:48 PM (2b4yb)
Yeah, I figured. Know your audiance, another teaching skill.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:50 PM (9TTOe)
http://yhoo.it/ROy4M1
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 10, 2012 05:50 PM (YjDyJ)
211 Oprah said so dude
oprah is from the robert taylor homes just outside the dreaded white sox park
she can eat a dick too
for the record, i went to college across the street from there but i'm not going to eat a dick
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:50 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: fluffy at September 10, 2012 05:32 PM (z9HTb)
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Look a little closer at that pic in the post. Need I explain?
Posted by: Soona at September 10, 2012 05:50 PM (tchi9)
Posted by: Got A Redhot Poker Up My Ass at September 10, 2012 05:50 PM (t2z5E)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (bx23n)
All in fun.
No offense intended.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (2b4yb)
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (0j3R9)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (AK1Ip)
earning more than most economics majors in the private sector??
Just 'cause they're dumb doesn't mean they're not canny. See also: SCOAMT.
That said: they're making that kind of money because they hold a virtual monopoly on education, and are in collusion with government (well, until the situation becomes untenable) to bilk the taxpayer out of money. Just like every other public employee union.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (8y9MW)
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Just a tangent here. This "said no person ever" trend must stop, and it must stop now. It has become a telltale sign of a person with a grossly overinflated view of their own wittiness, and more often than not they deserve a punch in their teeth for the point they are trying to make when using it.
Posted by: Dave S. at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (/tk/V)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (9TTOe)
Well aside from being grossly out of touch, they have the Illinois government over a barrel. Obama is going to lean on them hard to shut this down and they'll cave like a chair under Rosanne Barr, I expect.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (r4wIV)
Moral of the story, the education mafia is more effective than the real mafia.
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (0j3R9)
HEY, I aint sucked one FKN Mushyrooooom.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (9TTOe)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (mentioned in dispatches) at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (p4U6S)
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (zxrQh)
" So?
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (GEICT)
You're a CPO iirc so you coordinate the di*k eating...heh j/k....
So you ready to cut that deal?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (bx23n)
Rather than the classroom position going to the teacher most qualified, the seniority of the various teachers has to be taken into account. Different districts have different policies depending on the way their contracts are written. The consequence is that if there is, for instance, a kindergarten position open, and a teacher whose experience is teaching 5th grade, that 5th grade teacher, because of seniority, can get the position, even if he/she has no idea what kindergarten teachers do. And a kindergarten teacher who has less seniority won't get the job that he/she is better qualified for.
I knew a guy who was an elementary counselor who also had the certification to teach in an elementary classroom. Teaching in an elementary classroom can involve teaching math, reading, English, science, and social studies. This guy had spent a months doing this type of teaching during his student teaching in college. That was it. A few months.
So his district did away with their elementary counselors. He bumped into a third grade classroom, even though he openly said that he hated the idea of it because of the preparation, paper grading, and so on. He put in his time for that school year while looking for another job for the following year. His students were blessed with spending one year in the classroom of a man whose goal was to look for something that he actually wanted to do.
This also goes on in middle schools and high schools. I don't even want to think about how many teaching positions in Michigan are filled according to seniority rather than qualification, or the best interests of the students.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (SVfeX)
Wow, these ladies are really excited about the smooth, close shave they just got with their Gillette Mach 3 Turbo razors! Their faces never looked better! Five o'clock shadows won'tmake an appearancetil 5 a.m., that's just how good those razors are!
Posted by: runningrn at September 10, 2012 05:52 PM (WGmy2)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:53 PM (AK1Ip)
Put a pickle on it and tell him it's a Chicago Dog.
He'll eat it.
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:53 PM (0j3R9)
That would be my response. The state is full of teachers looking for work and subs hoping for full time. It would take you about 1 week to find enough applicants to replace them all. You want to take time off to strike? Take the rest of your life. And take your gold plated retirement with you.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:53 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:53 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:54 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: steevy at September 10, 2012 05:54 PM (6o4Fb)
But he's a dem and they need the teacher's help to win and the votes so they'll probably get a huge raise and more benefits and join like minded folks and vote for BO....
like minded folks are anyone whose jobs depends on the administration getting a second term and all those on public assistance of any kind.
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 05:54 PM (oZfic)
We all need to be members of Democrat Approved Unions so we can get 22% raises yearly.
Of course, not all unions are equal to others. The unions at my workplace were forced to take pay cuts, so they are obviously not Democrat Approved Unions.
Democrat Approved Union Membership for All!
Membership Dues for None!
Down with Business!
Slavery is Freedom!
Posted by: shibumi at September 10, 2012 05:54 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: Uncle Milty at September 10, 2012 05:54 PM (8J5Ck)
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 05:54 PM (W2Z3C)
You can have strong labor laws or you can have unions - if you have both, you get things like $100k/yr teachers in functionally State-mandated schools who turn your children illiterate clods and then scream at you in public because they're not getting a 25-percent raise in a depression.
Tax money, bitch. Shut it all down. Private sector.
Some red-faced bureaucrat was trying to impress on me that some parents would not bother to educate their children. I said, "would it be more than the 40 percent functionally illiterate people your system produces?"
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 10, 2012 05:54 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 05:55 PM (AK1Ip)
257 Put a pickle on it and tell him it's a Chicago Dog.
i lol'ed
and yeah...this line is officially stolen
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:55 PM (Shrag)
I wonder if there is some unknown mechanism out there, something that would provide corrective action in response to needs and desires of the consumers?
It would have to be massive, something on the order of a free market...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 10, 2012 05:55 PM (NRwWP)
Posted by: Adam at September 10, 2012 05:55 PM (/YJYi)
“President Obama has chosen his side in this fight, sending his vice
president last year to assure the nation’s largest teachers union that
‘you should have no doubt about my affection for you and the president’s
commitment to you.’ I choose to side with the parents and students
depending on public schools to give them the skills to succeed, and my
plan for education reform will do exactly that.”
http://bit.ly/PXoH9u
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 10, 2012 05:56 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: A Chicago Teacher at September 10, 2012 05:56 PM (QgAFR)
I'm guessing you didn't do so well in biology class either. But there's a part-time job at the River Oaks Sears Auto Center in lovely Calumet City that's yours for the asking!
Just don't drive your nice car. Because it'll get stolen.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at September 10, 2012 05:56 PM (VMcoS)
Posted by: George W. Bush at September 10, 2012 05:56 PM (MZ6SI)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 05:56 PM (r4wIV)
Said nobody, ever.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 10, 2012 05:57 PM (SY2Kh)
In a city with a far worse homicide rate than Kabul. What could go wrong?
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 05:57 PM (a4CUi)
But during the summer months they should be sent out to graze in overgrown city lots.
Posted by: Nukie at September 10, 2012 05:57 PM (mWijP)
I'm willing to bet that anything they might shave with has a primer bulb and says Husqvarna on its side.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 10, 2012 05:57 PM (vbh31)
1 - Read the sentence, thenshow the picture.
2 - Not ALL pastes are edible.
3 - Nap Time comes after lunch.
What else do you need to know?
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:57 PM (0j3R9)
Posted by: Chicago Voter Not Necessarily Paying Taxes at September 10, 2012 05:58 PM (eHIJJ)
The deal we talked about a couple of weeks back where you back Mitt Romney to let my wife get her retirement and I won't send Guliani to make a rico case against the while city.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 05:58 PM (bx23n)
There is a distinct lack of African-American teachers in that photo of striking
Chicago teacher union member hacks. If I was a lawyer I'd be all over that there shiite. ( For the children... not to have a John Edwards style bank account... for the children. )
Posted by: The Guy That Falls For Almost Anything at September 10, 2012 05:58 PM (qLeRe)
On arrival, my mother looked at it, laughed and shook her head.
This same teacher shooed me out of the non-kindergaten section of the school library, and it struck me even then: What kind of adult, let alone a teacher, would discourage a kid from reading?
So this whole "dumbing down" thing has been in my mind most of my life. And I've found the blame points left in most cases.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 10, 2012 05:58 PM (mZ8Y2)
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 05:58 PM (oZfic)
They see "now" as an opportune time to do it. The dems don't want this so they'll be more inclined to settle. It's all about utterly pure, selfish greed and no thought as to the welfare of even their strongest allies. Bite the hand that feeds. Always.
Posted by: Dang at September 10, 2012 05:58 PM (R18D0)
This is just a replacement of placing 'Not' right after your statement.
Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2012 05:59 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 05:59 PM (Shrag)
Bringing the knowledge and the cuteness.
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:59 PM (0j3R9)
Posted by: Honey Badger the Dense Rethuglican Nazi Bastard at September 10, 2012 05:59 PM (GvYeG)
Which merely proves you're an idiot.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (mentioned in dispatches) at September 10, 2012 05:59 PM (p4U6S)
Posted by: President for Life Obama at September 10, 2012 05:59 PM (CofEF)
>>he/she has no idea what kindergarten teachers do
1 - Read the sentence, thenshow the picture.
2 - Not ALL pastes are edible.
3 - Nap Time comes after lunch.
What else do you need to know?
Not true ,my sister was a Kindergarten teacher. When she first started that is what it was like. Now Kindergarten is like first grade. The poor kids are expected to read and write.It's all about the tests, and more and more Kindergarteners are getting held back..
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 05:59 PM (W2Z3C)
If you can't squeak out a 500, you're either very dull or you were taught by teachers just like these fine specimens. I mean really, gifted 7th graders do better.
Posted by: Lauren at September 10, 2012 06:00 PM (wsGWu)
Well, don't think for a second that the teacher's union won't simply let this lack of solidarity from the lunchlady's union go without some sort of retribution!
Posted by: reason at September 10, 2012 06:00 PM (V40IZ)
No one has offered to “hit“ them?
Do I have to fly all the way home to take care of business?
Posted by: EpatPatriot at September 10, 2012 06:00 PM (WVqlY)
You can have 'em. I think we'll all chip in to buy you a barf-bag.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 10, 2012 06:01 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:01 PM (AK1Ip)
Hell, I don't even care if Chicago gives in to their demands. I moved from that corruptocracy of a state 17 years ago and I will enjoy watching it swirl down the toilet bowl.
My sympathies, however, to all the IL morons still entrapped there.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 10, 2012 06:01 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 06:01 PM (Shrag)
As a kid I figured out pretty quickly I could pay attention to about half of what was going on and put the minimal effort out and get a solid B in every class, so that's what I did. I drew and wrote and thought about stories and imagined things in class and aced papers and tests. It ruined me for college, I was totally unprepared. Its too hard work to challenge brighter students, so the brighter students just gear down and match the low level of education.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 06:01 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: George W. Bush at September 10, 2012 05:56 PM (MZ6SI)
Who, by the way, reads more books in a week than Obama can name.
So suck a dick, then eat it, then puke it up and eat it again.*
*in keeping with the theme
Posted by: Welshorne Skroat III at September 10, 2012 06:02 PM (MRWjR)
Gee, it's almost as if a government-run, Federally influenced monopoly
doesn't respond to poor results and cannot be changed from within ...
I
wonder if there is some unknown mechanism out there, something that
would provide corrective action in response to needs and desires of the
consumers?
It would have to be massive, something on the order of a free market...
Dude, I'm right here.
Posted by: FedEx at September 10, 2012 06:02 PM (6TB1Z)
No one has offered to “hit“ them?
Do I have to fly all the way home to take care of business?"
In my defense, I did toss out the obligatory "Blazing Saddles" quote.
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at September 10, 2012 06:02 PM (zxrQh)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 06:02 PM (2b4yb)
1 - Read the sentence, thenshow the picture.
2 - Not ALL pastes are edible.
3 - Nap Time comes after lunch.
What else do you need to know?
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 05:57 PM (0j3R9)
Please actually know something about a subject before you speak about it isn't sound advice for just teachers.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 10, 2012 06:02 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:03 PM (AK1Ip)
Chicago teachers seem to like red shirts. They should wear blue for democrats
Red for communist
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 06:03 PM (W2Z3C)
Said nobody, ever.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 10, 2012 05:57 PM (SY2Kh)
You son of a bitch!
Posted by: Dave S. at September 10, 2012 06:03 PM (d4o2E)
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at September 10, 2012 06:02 PM
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"Teacher only pawn in game of life."
Posted by: TTF at September 10, 2012 06:04 PM (ay6+/)
When I was young, most teachers were women. Plus ça change and all that.
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 10, 2012 06:04 PM (T+lH2)
Posted by: Lauren at September 10, 2012 06:04 PM (wsGWu)
Republicans should probably flee Chicago these days. Although, this is spreading all over USA.
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:04 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: All Good Communists Everywhere at September 10, 2012 06:04 PM (/YJYi)
Then the unions took over the Catholic Schools too and the tuition if very high and the parents have to fight the districts for bus service and the chance for their kids to be on district sports teams and if you have a special ed kid, those services which they don't' want to give to private school kids but their parents are paying huge property tax and tuition.
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 06:04 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2012 06:04 PM (oX7vY)
They are not communist..
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:05 PM (AK1Ip)
This whole strike is a farce, designed to distract voters from my general ineptitude. Go Rham!
Posted by: President for Life Obama at September 10, 2012 06:05 PM (74T7W)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 10, 2012 06:05 PM (L7hol)
Which merely proves you're an idiot.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (mentioned in dispatches) at September 10, 2012 05:59 PM (p4U6S)
It is the tip of my Maslow's Hierarchy of needs. If more people like us jumped in the system and started swinging we could change it. Otherwise, we are left with ignorant children. Could be your children.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 06:05 PM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Capt. Kirk at September 10, 2012 06:05 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at September 10, 2012 06:05 PM (CrJzY)
Red for communist
They are not communist..
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:05 PM (AK1Ip)
Be gone sock..
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 06:05 PM (W2Z3C)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (AK1Ip)
Just so you know, the teaching strategies for K-6 are the same. Yes the curriculum changes but the methods a not. As to high school, in California you need to either have a degree in the field you wish to teach or be certified for that field. You just can't bump someone just because. You have to be qualified to teach that field. Oh, I don't know about where you are but I spent 6 months doing my student teaching (non paid of course) while carrying a full class load.
I would also like to clear up a few more misconceptions. I don't do drugs and I DO lean right. I am not in the mainstream but I am far from alone in this regard.
Second, there is no tenure, at least in California. Tenure is a University privilege. The only thing I have is the union protection.
As a FYI, I am not a big fan of unions.
Posted by: Thorisin at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (xMq47)
I say let them flush themselves down the toilet! Anybody ever see Surviving the Game? I think it would be cool if someday we could have like an "Escape from Chicago" hunting safari. By this time Chicago will look pretty much like The Walking Dead. Sothey helicopter you in and drop you off with personal food rations and asortment of weaponry.
Posted by: Andrew at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (HS3dy)
Whew. Perish the thought.
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (4x8W0)
Posted by: Striking Teacher, and I don't mean pretty at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (BVkEs)
>>Now Kindergarten is like first grade. The poor kids are expected to read and write.It's all about the tests, and more and more Kindergarteners are getting held back..
Raise the standards and then have to hold more kids back...because they important thing is that the kids feel bad about themselves.
Ick.
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (SUKHu)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (AK1Ip)
For a classroom of 20 students per teacher (Actual ratio is 18.96:1), this comes out to $252,860 per class of 20. If you give a teacher $100,00 a year (and just $100,000 a year), you still have over $150,000 to spend on a class.
The only other major expenditure is for the classroom itself. Even spending $5000 in rent or rent equivalent a month for twelve months leaves you with $60,000 per class or $3000 per student.
A bus pass for a month in Chicago costs $86. If we ramp it up to $100 to cover special service, and use a 10 month system, that is only $1000 per student per year.
This leaves $2000. You can get food from those diet plan places for
Bottom line: The schools are run badly, and the students are being taught a destructive and uninformative curriculum.
That is what we are dealing with now and will likely deal with in the future.
This will not end well...
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (XvHmy)
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I agree. They are clearly too stupid to understand any totalitarian socio-economic system theory.
They are actually just parasites.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: UrbanStudiesSquared at September 10, 2012 06:06 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Joseph Vissarionovich at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (NRwWP)
Posted by: Sheriff Bart at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (ay6+/)
I haven't had a hint of a thought of a possibility of a raise in over two years and I am just grateful I still have a job. Listening to people who are the public's employees bitch about not getting a 22% raise makes alex something something.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Whiteboard 2012 at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (Gk3SS)
Kindergarten teachers should not be paid the same as math and science teachers.
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: Cicero at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (CA2NO)
Fool? My other nickname is harlekwin. Fact of the matter is I don't understand why several of the chicago retirees vote for choom king.
You stay safe.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (bx23n)
Was this not already the case?
Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (FcR7P)
The trouble is, the union system sees all these teachers as equals, and demands that their pay be equal, their benefits be identical, and that they move up through the system with no accountability or any consequences for failure. Being good at your job has absolutely nothing to do with it.
All you have to do to move up the payscale in public education is keep breathing.
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:07 PM (P6QsQ)
315 i call bullshit
my daughter, wife and i all went/go to catholic schools and the teachers are not unionized
they are all private
now go eat a dick
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 06:08 PM (Shrag)
It is far more than simply letting kids learn social interaction these days.
First Grade is now considered the most challenging grade a child will face as a student, in terms of the sheer "drinking from a firehose" level of information they have to take in over the course of that year. Phonics, reading, writing are expected to gel, as well as basic arithmetic, including deconstructing word problems.
We discovered my daughter's dyslexia in the first grade. It took that realization as a parent to open my eyes to just how reading-intensive first grade really has become.
Posted by: reason at September 10, 2012 06:08 PM (RQDhf)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:08 PM (AK1Ip)
High school teacher tutors make in excess of a hundred bucks an hour, in cash, tax free.
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 06:08 PM (oZfic)
I couldn't see that signal, it must have been on my blind side.
Posted by: Captain Nelson at September 10, 2012 06:09 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:09 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:09 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:08 PM (AK1Ip)
Bout the same as trolls.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 06:09 PM (9TTOe)
The unions should take all the 1% money and redstribute it to the teachers who work so hard in this country that our world ranking regarding education has been dropping for decades.
79% of Chicago 8th graders are not proficient in reading! Do you know what this means!? Progress! Forward!
Posted by: Urban Studies In African American Ebonics On Coolio Albums at September 10, 2012 06:09 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 10, 2012 06:09 PM (SUKHu)
315 i call bullshit
my daughter, wife and i all went/go to catholic schools and the teachers are not unionized
they are all private
now go eat a dick
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 06:08 PM (Shrag)
On Long Island, they are unionized.
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 06:09 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Barry S at September 10, 2012 06:10 PM (n/nCi)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:08 PM (AK1Ip)
Tenured teachers should all be lined up against a wall and shot.
How do you feel about them?
Posted by: A. Hitler at September 10, 2012 06:10 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:10 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 06:10 PM (bx23n)
Did you miss the faint aroma of cat piss?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 06:10 PM (2b4yb)
I retired from the public school system because of crap like this. For
every stellar teacher there are 3 or for mediocre ones, 2 horrible ones,
and 1 that should never be within 100 yards of a child.
As I said my sister was a teacher for 30 years, and even though she's a screaming ass liberal she was excellent.I had the pleasure to work at a Private Catholic Girls HS.Day and night. And no they weren't all rich. Over half received tuition assistance.
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 06:10 PM (W2Z3C)
Go crazy?
Posted by: Marge Simpson at September 10, 2012 06:10 PM (0j3R9)
could change it. Otherwise, we are left with ignorant children. Could be
your children.
Here's the problem. I could teach science in my sleep. I have a PhD and 35+ years experience in the lab. But I wouldn't be hired, because I'm unwilling to waste even a year of my life on BS "education" courses. Change that, and I could do wonders. But of course, that's not the goal of the teacher's union. It's precisely to keep people like ME out of the "profession" so that barely educated, and pliable, mediocrities can be hired to maintain the status quo.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 06:10 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:11 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: the pink not panicking about one poll formerly known as the hobbit Donna at September 10, 2012 06:11 PM (W2Z3C)
2) Burn them to the ground.
3) Bulldoze the rubble flat.
4) Sow the ground with salt.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 10, 2012 06:11 PM (bxiXv)
We put them in Christian school where the teachers work for half the pay, none of the benefits, and gave them three times the education. Easily.
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:12 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:11 PM (AK1Ip)
Please, don't leave.
Posted by: Cicero at September 10, 2012 06:12 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Reese's Totalitarian Cups at September 10, 2012 06:12 PM (a4CUi)
*big swig then passes the Val U Rite*
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 10, 2012 06:12 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 10, 2012 05:51 PM (/tk/V)
While you're at it, give that fucking Seth Meyers a junk-punch. He probably invented #SaidNoPersonEver, anyway.
Posted by: jwpaine at September 10, 2012 06:12 PM (FUozQ)
359 Did you miss the faint aroma of cat piss?
not really
plus i have a 21lb furball with claws literally right next to the laptop staring at me
he's either hungry or looking for weaknesses to kill me later
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 06:12 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:13 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:14 PM (P6QsQ)
Tenure exists are the college level, not below.
What is get is UNION PROTECTION after two years which people equate with tenure, which it is not. I had the same protections when I was in AFL/CIO
Protection, but not tenure.When I became a teacher the union was VERY keen on pointing that fact out.
Posted by: Thorisin at September 10, 2012 06:14 PM (xMq47)
Like an idiot I took a western history class at night. I never actually fell asleep in the class but I spent a lot of time in that twilight state where you're one blink from nodding off. Eventually I just stopped going to the class, I wasn't learning anything anyway.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 06:14 PM (r4wIV)
2) Burn them to the ground.
3) Bulldoze the rubble flat.
4) Sow the ground with salt.
Amen! Preach it brother.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (mentioned in dispatches) at September 10, 2012 06:15 PM (p4U6S)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:15 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: The Associated Press at September 10, 2012 06:15 PM (VMcoS)
BINGO.
Posted by: reason at September 10, 2012 06:15 PM (RQDhf)
373 Can't recall the name.
all trolls are average joe who sucks cocks by choice....did you forget?
btw, how about them packers?
*****slinks away giggling*****
Posted by: navycopjoe (Da Bears Win!!! get used to it h8rs) at September 10, 2012 06:15 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:15 PM (AK1Ip)
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:14 PM (P6QsQ)
Drooling Idiot Shit-Stirrer #41?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 10, 2012 06:16 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: President for Life Obama at September 10, 2012 06:16 PM (B5y+v)
I have a family member teaching in California. There most certainly is tenure. Take a look at the Los Angeles School District, and what it takes to get rid of a terrible teacher there.
Posted by: LOL at September 10, 2012 06:17 PM (QgAFR)
Posted by: UrbanStudies at September 10, 2012 06:15 PM (AK1Ip)
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Sure you are.
Of course you're not.
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:17 PM (P6QsQ)
The federal ones have gotten three pay raises and they changed the criteria for forgiving student loan debt. The state level ones are getting raises also...
They were the dumb ones, the ones who went to work in the jobs no one wanted cause they couldn't' get a private sector job. Now they think they are entitled and aren't even nice to the people who have lost their jobs or half their income in cuts.
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 06:18 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:18 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:19 PM (P6QsQ)
I am a teacher in California. I know its hard to get rid of some of the dead weight and I dont like that but those are union protections.
Like I said, I dont like unions.
Posted by: Thorisin at September 10, 2012 06:19 PM (xMq47)
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:21 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: 29Victor at September 10, 2012 06:21 PM (CIndg)
Teaching and doing is very different. Don't assume because you have knowledge you can share it. You would be disappointed. I taught Aircraft fundamentals in the Navy, Fiber Optic termination and repair for a defense contractor, Welding to Millwright and Pipe fitter apprentices, and Skydiving. You can know a subject but not be able to teach, you can teach but FK it up by not knowing the subject. You need both. Teaching done correctly is hard. We can make jokes and poke fun but I've done a lot of stuff in my life. Teaching is one of the most difficult. No shit. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 06:22 PM (9TTOe)
The only public school I ever got near was a small trade school in Maryland. My children and grandchildren are all private schools - from pre K to university.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (mentioned in dispatches) at September 10, 2012 06:22 PM (p4U6S)
Still. Hit the Tip Jar on the way out.
Ace needs the money for
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2012 06:22 PM (0j3R9)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (mentioned in dispatches) at September 10, 2012 06:22 PM (p4U6S)
So are mine.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 10, 2012 06:23 PM (9TTOe)
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:18 PM (P6QsQ)
#43 has a tic, sort of a Tourettes thing.
I think it's #41, unless #43 is on some pretty strong anti-psychotics now.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 10, 2012 06:23 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Mekan at September 10, 2012 06:24 PM (T/L2Z)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (mentioned in dispatches) at September 10, 2012 06:24 PM (p4U6S)
I know the California Teachers Association doesn't like the word "tenure" - but put it this way, California state law mandates that after a two-year probationary period, teachers are effectively unfireable.
You can call that unfireable status "banana", I suppose, but people who aren't part of the teacher's union would call that "tenure".
Posted by: LOL at September 10, 2012 06:24 PM (QgAFR)
be sure to tell Ax "fuck you" for us....
this ain't gonna play like your fucking idiots think with 89,000,000 distressed or unemployed workers fuckstick
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 06:25 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2012 06:26 PM (LRFds)
I don't think we disagree all that much.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2012 06:26 PM (6TB1Z)
the most self-centered, self-important, people that refuse their poop
stinks than any other group of professionals that I know of
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Daughter has noticed the same thing. She is in her second year of teaching nursing. She's used to being an ICU charge nurse, where they actually do stuff rather than have 8 meetings about it.
Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at September 10, 2012 06:29 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: LOL at September 10, 2012 06:17 PM (QgAFR)
A proud victim of LAUSD fun stuff.
So, screw these teachers. What makes them so special? I took physics from one of the gym teachers and geometry from a French teacher. I failed one class because I never showed up and I made up the credits at a night school where I taught myself out of the text book (a science class).
And I always laugh when people ask me what makes me qualified to teach various subjects. At least I'll never strike on my students.
I cannot wait until the rest of America wakes up and stops letting these "only the state can teach your kids and everyone has to have the exact same education" people hold their children hostage for 13 - 15 years of their lives.
Posted by: elizabethe at September 10, 2012 06:29 PM (9MyQd)
Posted by: Craig Poe at September 10, 2012 06:30 PM (BVkEs)
Yes, you are right to a point. You really have to screw up to get fired. I wish there were ways to get rid of the incompetent.
But then again when I was in UFCWyou really had to screw the pooch to get fired as well.
I view it more of a union thing but I could be wrong.
Posted by: Thorisin at September 10, 2012 06:31 PM (xMq47)
Unless they are smokin' hot...then just make them principals.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 10, 2012 06:31 PM (2b4yb)
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Attorneys, cops, judges, contract agents and everyone else in the country who depends on clear and proper english disagree. Tenure is very different from union protection, chief. Lay off the man. He's right.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 06:33 PM (a4CUi)
Tell him he should hook in with the Million Man March. I think they got about 150,000 dudes who can help him reach for the cause.
Posted by: entropy at September 10, 2012 06:33 PM (YUttk)
When they cut spending in schools, its never those guys that get the axe, either. Its the new teachers, the books, the art supplies. Its the stuff that is the nuts and bolts of education, not the machine.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 06:34 PM (r4wIV)
Sorry, OSP, but that's essentially a load of shit. On top of that, most of the coursework for elementary and secondary school hasn't changed in over a hundred years - some much longer. The constant idiocy of new methods to teach concepts that people learned perfectly well before is just busywork and deception to keep teaching closed off.
I taught for years. Mostly at the university level, the bulk at the undergrad level, some grad. Some secondary level tutoring (mostly for friends' kids). For math and science, the most important way to learn is to do problems and see solutions - over and over and over. There's no way around this hard work. Secondarily, there is a need for the student to not feel intimidated. That basically covers it. And the amount of preparation needed for any of these classes (which are the same subject matter year after year after year - at least they should be) is minimal.
If someone doesn't understand math then that person CANNOT teach math to anyone other than those can learn on their own, anyway. If someone does know math then he'd have to be a total asshole to be a poor teacher. It's just not that difficult of a job to do properly. A little patience is necessary. Big whoop. Teaching is not some hugely difficult task for someone who knows the material. It just isn't.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2012 06:35 PM (X3lox)
LOL. I guess the notoriously right-wing Los Angeles Times editorial board is wrong as well.
May 16, 2012, the LAT ran an editorial:
"Wrong way to reform tenure"
which started:
"California's tenure protections for teachers go too far, and the Legislature has been unwilling to do anything about it.
So it's easy to understand why Students Matter, an organization backed by a reform-minded entrepreneur in the Bay Area, is hoping the courts will do what lawmakers haven't. On Monday, it filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles County Superior Court seeking to overturn the statutes that undergird the tenure system. Those laws require schools to decide after 18 months whether a teacher deserves tenure, to lay off teachers based almost solely on seniority and go through an arcane, ridiculously lengthy and slanted appeals process before a bad teacher can be fired."
Wherever did the Los Angeles Times get the wrong-headed idea that California teachers had tenure?
Posted by: LOL at September 10, 2012 06:37 PM (QgAFR)
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When they started hiring journalists who can't use a dictionary.
How many times have you seen that rag print stories about "automatic weapons" when they are talking about perfectly legal firearms?
If you're looking to a left-wing paper for your english, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 06:40 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: jwpaine at September 10, 2012 06:41 PM (FUozQ)
I for one do not see this as an improvement.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at September 10, 2012 06:44 PM (VMcoS)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 06:45 PM (r4wIV)
My grandparents and my mother were teachers. I have a sister, a nephew and a niece who teach. I subbed for a couple of years when my children were in school, although my degree is in geology, not education.
What I know about teaching is that you need to be able to speak with emphasis and have interesting facts to illustrate the lesson, whether it is multiplication tables or English grammar. You should appear professional, not show up in sweat suits. You should address your students with respect, and demand respect from them.
Some schools have more of a burden (such as South Side Chicago). My recommendation for those schools is to hire retired Marines. Unless discipline is maintained, no child will learn.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 10, 2012 06:50 PM (GoIUi)
i.e. standard union rules.
I will also tell you the only time the union steps up is when it seems that they shouldn't. They make the union I was in before, theUFCW look like they have big brass ***, which they don't.
Funny story, when I was in the credential program they had a union rep come out to talk to us. She was praising the union and when I started to question her about fairness etc. she kind of got mad at me and told me I didnt know anything about unions. After I told her I had spent 10 years in UFCW and they made the teachers union look feeble she ended the spiel. THe professor wasnt happy with me but I considered it a job well done
Just because the LAT misunderstands tenure doesn't change the fact it doesn't exist for us lowly K-12 teachers.
Posted by: Thorisin at September 10, 2012 06:50 PM (xMq47)
Teachers outside of college in California do not get this protection. What they do get is full union protection, once they get past the probationary period. The protections they get are union pricks making sure it's too much of a hassle to fire incompetents, and granting seniority preferences during a RIF.
They are completely different legal mechanisms. On the surface, they may produce similar results, but they are not the same thing in any way.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at September 10, 2012 06:53 PM (a4CUi)
BINGO!!
Posted by: Thorisin at September 10, 2012 06:54 PM (xMq47)
No Wonder so many Liberal Men are GAY!
Look at those Liberal Women in that picture!
If i had to look at that manchick face and run the risk of being bearhugged in those meat-laden arms and smell the rancid liberal sweat from her ample armpits every night as she snores like a moose, I would probably think hmm...maybe its time to try some dick too.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at September 10, 2012 07:18 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at September 10, 2012 07:52 PM (oe1aw)
Youare spot on they could do it cheaply, like a mom homeschooling her kids, but they aren't taking that sort of approach. This aint Little House on the Prarie no more.
Posted by: Andrew at September 10, 2012 08:06 PM (HS3dy)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, unbanned , ready to get this done at September 10, 2012 08:15 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Buffalobob at September 10, 2012 08:18 PM (MkzY8)
Posted by: Dan Kauffman at September 10, 2012 08:29 PM (5ZsaL)
Posted by: Jade Sea at September 10, 2012 08:32 PM (lZrVJ)
But I know there are more clever possibilities
Posted by: Jade Sea at September 10, 2012 08:35 PM (lZrVJ)
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 08:37 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2012 06:01 PM (r4wIV)"This would be an unfortunate consequence of NCLB, where the emphasis is placed on the underperforming students, or lowest common denominator. If you measure the teachers' performance by their failure rate, guess where their efforts will be directed. Education today is bound and determined to send everybody to a four yr college, at the expense of many viable and needed alternative career training programs.
Posted by: venus velvet at September 10, 2012 08:38 PM (g94P/)
Like, a pasture.
Or perhaps they could go on tour, you know, hot dog eating world championships, or something.
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at September 10, 2012 08:49 PM (25KoS)
No wonder we are a mess. People both have to work, particularly now since one or both could loose their job. If you are lucky you have maternity or paternity leave but people often go right back fearing that if they take that time off the person who stepped into their spot will keep their job. Companies are only required to give you a similar job at a similar salary, they aren't required to save your job for you. If you are very wealthy you have an at home nanny. If not you have day care. Which leads to pre school which leads to elementary school which leads to high school and all those activities you need to do to get into college.
And then college and then graduate school. I'm exhausted writing it...can you imagine what it's like living it.
The other night we were talking about "kids today"....we did all this stuff and more and apparently, it's worse now. Kids and families never relax, are always on a schedule and have the added pressure of the economy and wondering how much money uncle sam is going to take that they don't have to give.
Posted by: cynder ella at September 10, 2012 08:49 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood at September 10, 2012 09:00 PM (2FcDw)
That's pretty good, but I like my plotline better: Mike and Molly are snuggled up in organically-raised-cotton flannel jammies, checking their Thrift Savings Plan pension online while sipping Robert Sinskey biodynamic pinot, when Zombie Gacy bursts into their boudoir, in full-clown, and shows them a new, funner game.
Posted by: General Zod at September 10, 2012 09:17 PM (2+bRt)
They are getting smarter the longer they stay away from these "teachers".
Posted by: izoneguy at September 10, 2012 09:24 PM (oKH8p)
Who, who, who, who, who?
Posted by: OCBill at September 10, 2012 09:26 PM (YJvVE)
"Pig farmers quit as feed prices soar"
Posted by: OCBill at September 10, 2012 09:30 PM (YJvVE)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 10, 2012 09:31 PM (mWVGT)
Posted by: Thorvald at September 10, 2012 09:38 PM (1V6Pv)
Like that's ever worked? Uh, no...
To make a successful team from a failed team, you pretty much need a new team, new management, new discipline, new vision. Money and benefits is secondary to that goal. Go figure, the likely solution is going to end up being more of the same old same old, with more of the same old failing result...
Just saying, this ain't rocket science... But then this is Chicago. Isn't that where the Cubs play?
Posted by: drfredc at September 10, 2012 10:39 PM (24ojZ)
Ask them who was America's second president, what's 9 X 12, what year did World War I start, how do you spell Connecticut? I promise you, 99% of them have no fucking idea.
All they know is they're government union workers and, as such, are the landed gentry, living a life of privilege.
Posted by: Matt at September 10, 2012 10:48 PM (1ha9G)
Posted by: vivi at September 10, 2012 11:30 PM (OTPxW)
Watch the "adults", little ones, and learn.
Posted by: dissent555 at September 10, 2012 11:52 PM (yR6A1)
If there were more stay-at-home moms, teachers couldn't pull this shit. Everyone would just shrug and wait it out. It's only because teachers have become glorified babysitters for parents who can't afford to get fired from their jobs that anyone gives a shit.
But one thing that must have "teachers" crapping in their pants is technology. One of my kids is now taking a computerized math course. The teacher isn't really needed, since the kids are each working independently on the computer. My son, who was failing, is now averaging a B+ on his tests and quizzes.
Posted by: Gem at September 11, 2012 12:30 AM (zw+pb)
So, they're doing what they were doing before the strike, then.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 11, 2012 12:45 AM (i0App)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 11, 2012 04:23 AM (X3lox)
here in victimization central (san fran bay area) over this 'poor unappreciated
teacher' thing. they pull in 80k, get a three-month vacation, have benefits up
the ying-yang, and get a LIFETIME PENSION fer
chrissake!! nonetheless, every time we turn around we're told how they suffer
for the sake of the children. they tell sad stories of how they buy their own
chalk despite that fact that OVER 50 PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE STATE BUDGET (not to
mention property taxes, lottery funds, and on and on) goes to 'education' ...and yet the sheep
are guilted into passing more and more tax increases every year to 'save the
schools' from their imminent collapse (currently, governor brown wants to 'temporarily' increase the
already exorbitant sales tax)...and then the teacher's unions give the money
back to the democrats. auuuggghhh!!! what a racket!
oh...and is our kids learnin'?? well..they get to know
plenty about ditching school for political protests and how dems are wonderful
but republicans are evil. then they drop out and becoming the newest crop of
victims. a bargain at twice the price!
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