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These newly renamed organizations are like career criminal who adopt aliases without changing their criminal lifestyles.” At the end of Righteous Indignation, Andrew Breitbart wrote, “It’s not over yet.”
No, it's not over yet. Time to start digging and shine the light on these organizations.
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The average Web user maintains 25 separate accounts but uses just 6.5 passwords to protect them, according to a landmark study (PDF) from 2007. As the Gawker breach demonstrated, such password reuse, combined with the frequent use of e-mail addresses as user names, means that once hackers have plucked login credentials from one site, they often have the means to compromise dozens of other accounts, too.
Most importantly, a series of leaks over the past few years containing more than 100 million real-world passwords have provided crackers with important new insights about how people in different walks of life choose passwords on different sites or in different settings. The ever-growing list of leaked passwords allows programmers to write rules that make cracking algorithms faster and more accurate; password attacks have become cut-and-paste exercises that even script kiddies can perform with ease.Shelby Mustang
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Damned red dots and their Dunkin Donut franchises.
Damned red dots and their Dunkin Donut franchises.
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 25, 2012 09:54 PM (X87hd)
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Holy moly!
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at August 25, 2012 09:54 PM (3+RoZ)
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Who's payin for me this weekend?
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 25, 2012 09:55 PM (zyaZ1)
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I'm in Chicago for a wedding. Should I be nervous?
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at August 25, 2012 09:55 PM (3+RoZ)
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My cat (God rest his soul, wherever it is) could care less about the red dot. My German shepherd will stare at the floor and drool for hours if you say the word, "dot." Bless her heart.
Posted by: moki at August 25, 2012 09:56 PM (dZmFh)
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I'm in Chicago for a wedding. Should I be nervous?
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at August 25, 2012 09:55 PM (3+RoZ)
Pack heat and wear kevlar.
I'm in Chicago for a wedding. Should I be nervous?
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at August 25, 2012 09:55 PM (3+RoZ)
Pack heat and wear kevlar.
Posted by: CDR M at August 25, 2012 09:56 PM (dKV5k)
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I would pay the price to fly in a B-17 if I were allowed to shoot down another plane from the ball turret.
Posted by: USS Diversity at August 25, 2012 09:57 PM (0CiTm)
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Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 09:57 PM (6o4Fb)
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CDR M, did ya get my e-mail?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 09:57 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 09:57 PM (Shrag)
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When's lil' Obama gonna start licking that nut?
Posted by: 141Driver at August 25, 2012 09:57 PM (bRK91)
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2012 09:58 PM (X87hd)
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Wow. I stayed up late enough to see the ONT while it's still fresh.
Posted by: lizardbrain at August 25, 2012 09:59 PM (fWdId)
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I feel pretty good about the RNC's new management thus far. Reince slices like an ffn hammer but no ripples above the water, Mitt focused like a laser, and Ryan hitting them with some ffn knowledge. Some bumps in the road, but this is a pretty sharp crew. I'm feeling pretty good tonight
Posted by: thunderb at August 25, 2012 10:00 PM (Dnbau)
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4. avoid using a smart phone in public
and look around, if you see no white people in your neighberhood, wear kevlar (no to sound racist)
if you're in englewood....just kiss your ass goodbye now
4. avoid using a smart phone in public
and look around, if you see no white people in your neighberhood, wear kevlar (no to sound racist)
if you're in englewood....just kiss your ass goodbye now
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:00 PM (Shrag)
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Didn't Chimera Cat do an episode on Star Trek?
Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 25, 2012 10:01 PM (HiKk0)
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We are nearing 3 inches of rain here for the last two days. About fucking time.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 25, 2012 10:01 PM (ZOf1l)
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"Why Passwords Have Never Been Weaker - And Crackers Have Never Been Smarter."
If "War Games" has taught us nothing else...it's that Brits hold the key to our salvation.
http://tinyurl.com/9b4dbn2
If "War Games" has taught us nothing else...it's that Brits hold the key to our salvation.
http://tinyurl.com/9b4dbn2
Posted by: derit at August 25, 2012 10:02 PM (ruiF1)
Posted by: CDR M at August 25, 2012 10:02 PM (dKV5k)
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That kitteh is better spoken than Barry and Slow Joe combined. If you listen carefully, you can hear it say, "Obama is a SCOAMF, and Biden is a 'tard."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 10:02 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: USS Diversity at August 25, 2012 10:02 PM (0CiTm)
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Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 09:57 PM (UOM4
I haven't checked my email all day. I'll go check.
I haven't checked my email all day. I'll go check.
Posted by: CDR M at August 25, 2012 10:03 PM (dKV5k)
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Back in the hotel safe and sound. Glad to see the highway signs on I90 announcing the number of traffic fatalities. 600 plus so far. How many murderers again?
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at August 25, 2012 10:04 PM (3+RoZ)
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The average Web user maintains 25 separate accounts but uses just 6.5 passwords to protect them
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IMO a core problem is that everything uses the password model. How many passwords can a person remember...really? Especially with the differing standards. Oh I need a letter, a number, and punctuation mark, and that damn euro symbol that American keyboards don't have?
Seriously, passwords aren't the answer. One idea for low, but not no, security application - store a hidden encrypted key on *one* PC and only allow that PC to use the account. Force a match on key+IP and you are fairly secure.
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IMO a core problem is that everything uses the password model. How many passwords can a person remember...really? Especially with the differing standards. Oh I need a letter, a number, and punctuation mark, and that damn euro symbol that American keyboards don't have?
Seriously, passwords aren't the answer. One idea for low, but not no, security application - store a hidden encrypted key on *one* PC and only allow that PC to use the account. Force a match on key+IP and you are fairly secure.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2012 10:04 PM (AUeaU)
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Oh yeah. Lots of fun in the 1981 household. Weeeeeee.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:05 PM (GEICT)
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The barking cat is a warning of the coming Zombie Apocalypse.
Posted by: eman at August 25, 2012 10:05 PM (Wp4rQ)
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That squirrel is infected with hantavirus. Best call the CDC.
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at August 25, 2012 10:05 PM (6uY89)
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The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner is a five-line poem by Randall Jarrell published in 1945.
From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
Posted by: Mr Wonderful at August 25, 2012 10:05 PM (oiJah)
Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2012 10:06 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 25, 2012 10:06 PM (ZOf1l)
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Passwords? We don't need no stinkin' passwords!
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam at August 25, 2012 10:06 PM (3+RoZ)
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the ultimate password: THECUBSJUSTWONTHEWORLDSERIES
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:08 PM (Shrag)
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"If you’re rich you get a bailout. If you’re poor you get a handout. And if you’re middle class you get left out."
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 25, 2012 10:08 PM (e8kgV)
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I was stuck in traffic earlier this week behind a Shelby. Lordy, it was a thing of beauty.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:08 PM (Gk3SS)
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My dad was a B-25 pilot in WWII, ETO. His plane was named "Unfinished Business".
Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at August 25, 2012 10:09 PM (0QXZO)
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Trying out Google Chrome since I wanted PeerBlock and Vuze. Good idea, yea or nay?
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 25, 2012 10:09 PM (ZOf1l)
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I seriously got teary-eyed thinking about Breitbart and how he won't see SCOAMF go down on 11/6. Well, I guess he will, but it won't be the same without him here.
Posted by: Deb at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (eaUNb)
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I just got back from seeing 2016.
I think George Obama would make a better president than Barack.
I think George Obama would make a better president than Barack.
Posted by: rickl at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (sdi6R)
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Pssst. Remember ACORN? Well, it's not really dead. It's Back With 174 Rebranded Affiliates. I'm sure the media will join Breitbart in looking at this. Yeah right.
ACORN got busted big in Nevada after the '08 elections. full out prosecutions, despite the A.G. being a power-hungery Dem.
What is frightening is that all of the sudden the Dems are increasing their registration lead in Nevada by 30% since the primaries. (Of course the GOP civil war going on down here doesn't help...)
The RNC really needs to start spending money looking into what the h*ll is going on.
ACORN got busted big in Nevada after the '08 elections. full out prosecutions, despite the A.G. being a power-hungery Dem.
What is frightening is that all of the sudden the Dems are increasing their registration lead in Nevada by 30% since the primaries. (Of course the GOP civil war going on down here doesn't help...)
The RNC really needs to start spending money looking into what the h*ll is going on.
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (sZTYJ)
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I am glad I don't have an urge to try and own that 850HP special edition.
The sound of radial engines and the snarl of Allison and Merlin is something to never forget.
The sound of radial engines and the snarl of Allison and Merlin is something to never forget.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (zMgpj)
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We should have pictures of Paul Ryan in every thread.
http://t.co/vP3ldAl3
I've noticed he's been doing the checked-shirt thing during the day a lot.
http://t.co/vP3ldAl3
I've noticed he's been doing the checked-shirt thing during the day a lot.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (Ho2rs)
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AtC, my husband has a client who has TWO freaking Shelbys. He owns one and his wife the other. Saw them both at a car show earlier this summer.
The car I fell in love with was a classic old Caddy convertible. I hearted that land yacht so badly.
The car I fell in love with was a classic old Caddy convertible. I hearted that land yacht so badly.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (UOM48)
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IMO a core problem is that everything uses the password model. How many passwords can a person remember...really? Especially with the differing standards. Oh I need a letter, a number, and punctuation mark, and that damn euro symbol that American keyboards don't have?
There is also the problem that if password requirements are made too specific and people are forced to change them too often, people have to start writing them down. I often get the impression that IT people focus on the technical aspects of security and forget that they are dealing with humans...
IMO a core problem is that everything uses the password model. How many passwords can a person remember...really? Especially with the differing standards. Oh I need a letter, a number, and punctuation mark, and that damn euro symbol that American keyboards don't have?
There is also the problem that if password requirements are made too specific and people are forced to change them too often, people have to start writing them down. I often get the impression that IT people focus on the technical aspects of security and forget that they are dealing with humans...
Posted by: Grey Fox at August 25, 2012 10:11 PM (W79Mp)
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I'm in Chicago for a wedding. Should I be nervous?
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam
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If they say they are doing the Hokey Pokey, whatever you do, DO NOT bend over!
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam
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If they say they are doing the Hokey Pokey, whatever you do, DO NOT bend over!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 25, 2012 10:11 PM (UTq/I)
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I smell chaos.
/sigh
We're replacing cheap linoleum in kitchen and laundry room with tile. I wanted to hire someone. The Mrs., and her father, insisted that he (the father) could do it. Now, he certainly has the ability. However, years ago when he was a cop, he was involved in a car accident that left him physically fucked up. He refuses to give in. He's been laying tile and doing physical crap for several days and he's giving out, but refuses to admit it. So he's currently laying tile, getting up and down, while exhausted and in terrible pain. Which makes him....cranky.
/sigh
We're replacing cheap linoleum in kitchen and laundry room with tile. I wanted to hire someone. The Mrs., and her father, insisted that he (the father) could do it. Now, he certainly has the ability. However, years ago when he was a cop, he was involved in a car accident that left him physically fucked up. He refuses to give in. He's been laying tile and doing physical crap for several days and he's giving out, but refuses to admit it. So he's currently laying tile, getting up and down, while exhausted and in terrible pain. Which makes him....cranky.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:12 PM (GEICT)
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Alexthechick, did the faux gas cap on the back have the cobra logo with GT500 and Shelby writing on it? If not, someone dressed up their clunker.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:12 PM (zMgpj)
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If the Muslims could guarantee that Carl's ad is a true depiction of their heaven, then I might convert.
Might.
Might.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (yxz7s)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (Gk3SS)
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Reading "First into Nagasaki"...it has a lot of what Japs did to prisoners....we didn't drop enough nukes.
Posted by: USS Diversity at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (0CiTm)
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Trying out Google Chrome since I wanted PeerBlock and Vuze. Good idea, yea or nay?
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Excellent idea! Google is sleek, fast and has awesome features!!
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And we store everything you do forever and then sell it to anyone who wants to see!
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Excellent idea! Google is sleek, fast and has awesome features!!
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And we store everything you do forever and then sell it to anyone who wants to see!
Posted by: The Google Database at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (AUeaU)
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Other thread is dying, so I'll move my question here.
What is Huckabee's calculation regarding full tilt support of
Akin? Does he not realize there will be a backlash against him (Huck)
too, or does he know but supports Akin on principle? It's hard
to believe Huck isn't aware of the damage Akin is doing to Romney and
risking the senate majority, not to mention the huge club it gives the
Dems. And coming so soon after Huck came up with the Chick-Fil-A day of
support, where he gained a lot of goodwill and publicity.
I'm
trying to understand why he's willing to throw away that goodwill, and
take on the blowback from supporting Akin. Akin is very self serving
and/or doesn't grasp the damage he's doing. It's hard to think Huckabee
doesn't understand the damage to the GOP and to himself.
Does Huck not realize
there's going to be a big backlash against HIM (not just Akin)? People
are going to hold him responsible for encouraging Akin to stay in.
Romney's already taken a huge hit in the MO polls and if Claire keeps
her seat Huck will be held accountable, not just Akin. In my view he's
even more to blame. Akin has a self serving reason to stay in the race,
but Huck doesn't. He may not be ultra conservative but I don't think he
wants to intentionally sabotage the GOP. Or to be viewed as doing that.
What is Huckabee's calculation regarding full tilt support of
Akin? Does he not realize there will be a backlash against him (Huck)
too, or does he know but supports Akin on principle? It's hard
to believe Huck isn't aware of the damage Akin is doing to Romney and
risking the senate majority, not to mention the huge club it gives the
Dems. And coming so soon after Huck came up with the Chick-Fil-A day of
support, where he gained a lot of goodwill and publicity.
I'm
trying to understand why he's willing to throw away that goodwill, and
take on the blowback from supporting Akin. Akin is very self serving
and/or doesn't grasp the damage he's doing. It's hard to think Huckabee
doesn't understand the damage to the GOP and to himself.
Does Huck not realize
there's going to be a big backlash against HIM (not just Akin)? People
are going to hold him responsible for encouraging Akin to stay in.
Romney's already taken a huge hit in the MO polls and if Claire keeps
her seat Huck will be held accountable, not just Akin. In my view he's
even more to blame. Akin has a self serving reason to stay in the race,
but Huck doesn't. He may not be ultra conservative but I don't think he
wants to intentionally sabotage the GOP. Or to be viewed as doing that.
Posted by: Mayday at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (F3s39)
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I just got back from seeing 2016.
I think George Obama would make a better president than Barack.
Posted by: rickl at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (sdi6R
Hells yeah. We came away thinking the same thing. He seems smart, decent, and good. No wonder his bro Barry allows him to live in a filthy hut.
You are aware that a few weeks ago, George Obama called Dinesh from a hospital in Kenya and asked him to help his two year old son? Dinesh sent him $1,000. George told him, "You are like a brother to me."
Needs to be a Romney ad STAT.
I just got back from seeing 2016.
I think George Obama would make a better president than Barack.
Posted by: rickl at August 25, 2012 10:10 PM (sdi6R
Hells yeah. We came away thinking the same thing. He seems smart, decent, and good. No wonder his bro Barry allows him to live in a filthy hut.
You are aware that a few weeks ago, George Obama called Dinesh from a hospital in Kenya and asked him to help his two year old son? Dinesh sent him $1,000. George told him, "You are like a brother to me."
Needs to be a Romney ad STAT.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (UOM48)
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Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:12 PM (GEICT)
I see an ER visit in his future. Ceramic tile is easy to put down when you are young and health, otherwise not so much.
I see an ER visit in his future. Ceramic tile is easy to put down when you are young and health, otherwise not so much.
Posted by: eman at August 25, 2012 10:14 PM (Wp4rQ)
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So AtC saw one of the 650HP beasties. MSRP is $52 w/out scarcity fee.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:14 PM (zMgpj)
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On second thought, I'm just gonna move to Memphis.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 10:14 PM (yxz7s)
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Hey. Love you guys. Have a great night!
Posted by: sifty at August 25, 2012 10:14 PM (p39GY)
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Yeehaw.....hurricane huck is a category5 blowhard
Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2012 10:15 PM (LRFds)
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Hey. Love you guys. Have a great night!
Posted by: sifty at August 25, 2012 10:14 PM (p39GY
You're leaving? Just when I was about to flash my boobies.
Hey. Love you guys. Have a great night!
Posted by: sifty at August 25, 2012 10:14 PM (p39GY
You're leaving? Just when I was about to flash my boobies.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 10:15 PM (UOM48)
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alex gt500?
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 10:15 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:16 PM (GEICT)
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Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:12 PM (GEICT)
Shit, sorry man, (passes b a beer.) You get that way when you are older. I'll be 49 next month and I have arthritis in my lower back. Damn if I'll ever admit I can't do a job.
Shit, sorry man, (passes b a beer.) You get that way when you are older. I'll be 49 next month and I have arthritis in my lower back. Damn if I'll ever admit I can't do a job.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 25, 2012 10:16 PM (ZOf1l)
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It's not a Shelby if wasn't raced.
At least, to me.
I like the 67' and 68' models enough to feel guilty about it, but I just don't get excited over anything that wasn't a thoroughbred.
It's not a Shelby if wasn't raced.
At least, to me.
I like the 67' and 68' models enough to feel guilty about it, but I just don't get excited over anything that wasn't a thoroughbred.
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2012 10:17 PM (X87hd)
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Fraternal twin, you say? That explains the lady parts...
Posted by: Barry Obama, The Chimera President at August 25, 2012 10:17 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:17 PM (Shrag)
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Brand spanking new. I wanted to lick it.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (Gk3SS)
Suddenly, across the Nation, bunks began to squeak like crazy.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (Gk3SS)
Suddenly, across the Nation, bunks began to squeak like crazy.
Posted by: eman at August 25, 2012 10:17 PM (Wp4rQ)
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Posted by: BCochran1981
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You are not helping him? Laying tile is fucking easy, especially if you have someone helping. The skill comes in laying it out and doing the edges.. any moron can lay the middle tiles... and mix the mud.. and lay the mud.
I've done my own floors and bathrooms over the years.. but bad knees won't allow it any more.
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You are not helping him? Laying tile is fucking easy, especially if you have someone helping. The skill comes in laying it out and doing the edges.. any moron can lay the middle tiles... and mix the mud.. and lay the mud.
I've done my own floors and bathrooms over the years.. but bad knees won't allow it any more.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (UTq/I)
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"Why Passwords Have Never Been Weaker - And Crackers Have Never Been Smarter."
Posted by: derit at August 25, 2012 10:02 PM (ruiF1)
That's raaacist! How dare you imply that white people and their evil patriarchal anglo-normative oppressor culture are smarter or better then all of the matriarchical non-hierarchical cultures of people of color where people of sexual diversity can live free and prosper in a communal utopia!!1!
White people are evil "snow people" and are sub-human and "sun people" are smarter and not evil and white people stole everything from people of color so that they could oppress people of color and womyn and queers and people like that!
NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!`!!1!~!!
NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!`!!1!~!!
NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!`!!1!~!!
Posted by: derit at August 25, 2012 10:02 PM (ruiF1)
That's raaacist! How dare you imply that white people and their evil patriarchal anglo-normative oppressor culture are smarter or better then all of the matriarchical non-hierarchical cultures of people of color where people of sexual diversity can live free and prosper in a communal utopia!!1!
White people are evil "snow people" and are sub-human and "sun people" are smarter and not evil and white people stole everything from people of color so that they could oppress people of color and womyn and queers and people like that!
NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!`!!1!~!!
NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!`!!1!~!!
NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!`!!1!~!!
Posted by: Social SCIENCE Graduate Student at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (sZTYJ)
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I see an ER visit in his future. Ceramic tile is easy to put down when you are young and health, otherwise not so much.
No. He has quite the stockpile of Percocet. He's been through two hip replacements, has no feeling in one leg from the knee down, quite the collection of scars, surgical and otherwise, on his lower back and an understanding doc.
I see an ER visit in his future. Ceramic tile is easy to put down when you are young and health, otherwise not so much.
No. He has quite the stockpile of Percocet. He's been through two hip replacements, has no feeling in one leg from the knee down, quite the collection of scars, surgical and otherwise, on his lower back and an understanding doc.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (N0Z/x)
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Posted by: The Google Database at August 25, 2012 10:13 PM (AUeaU)
I have a love/hate thing with google and was just wondering if chrome is a decent browser.
I have a love/hate thing with google and was just wondering if chrome is a decent browser.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (ZOf1l)
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There is also the problem that if password requirements are made too
specific and people are forced to change them too often, people have to
start writing them down.
I can't re-use a password at work until I've used 10 different passwords. I have a theme, but I can never remember which one I'm on.
specific and people are forced to change them too often, people have to
start writing them down.
I can't re-use a password at work until I've used 10 different passwords. I have a theme, but I can never remember which one I'm on.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 25, 2012 10:19 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:19 PM (Shrag)
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Alexthechick, did the faux gas cap on the back have the cobra logo with
GT500 and Shelby writing on it? If not, someone dressed up their
clunker.
Oh, trust me, I know the real thing and it definitely was. Considering that the Shelby was stopped directly behind the stock car trailer, I'm assuming it was one of the local race team owners.
Alexthechick, did the faux gas cap on the back have the cobra logo with
GT500 and Shelby writing on it? If not, someone dressed up their
clunker.
Oh, trust me, I know the real thing and it definitely was. Considering that the Shelby was stopped directly behind the stock car trailer, I'm assuming it was one of the local race team owners.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:19 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:19 PM (zMgpj)
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7073 don't ask
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:19 PM (Shrag)
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I smell chaos.
/sigh
We're replacing cheap linoleum in kitchen and laundry room with
tile. I wanted to hire someone. The Mrs., and her father, insisted that
he (the father) could do it. Now, he certainly has the ability. However,
years ago when he was a cop, he was involved in a car accident that
left him physically fucked up. He refuses to give in. He's been laying
tile and doing physical crap for several days and he's giving out, but
refuses to admit it. So he's currently laying tile, getting up and down,
while exhausted and in terrible pain. Which makes him....cranky.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:12 PM (GEICT)
Could you con him into taking a youngster on as a helper/student? He'd probably stop forcing himself so hard and "pass on the knowledge" more than "beat himself to finish".
I smell chaos.
/sigh
We're replacing cheap linoleum in kitchen and laundry room with
tile. I wanted to hire someone. The Mrs., and her father, insisted that
he (the father) could do it. Now, he certainly has the ability. However,
years ago when he was a cop, he was involved in a car accident that
left him physically fucked up. He refuses to give in. He's been laying
tile and doing physical crap for several days and he's giving out, but
refuses to admit it. So he's currently laying tile, getting up and down,
while exhausted and in terrible pain. Which makes him....cranky.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:12 PM (GEICT)
Could you con him into taking a youngster on as a helper/student? He'd probably stop forcing himself so hard and "pass on the knowledge" more than "beat himself to finish".
Posted by: cthulhu at August 25, 2012 10:20 PM (kaalw)
78
Any Jews in Memphis? Might need to drop in one day if Mrs. Dawnfire ever has an unfortunate accident...
Posted by: Dawnfire at August 25, 2012 10:20 PM (eEeH7)
79
Firefox is a great browser, Sam.. and hey.. pass me an Octoberfest!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 25, 2012 10:20 PM (UTq/I)
80
No. He has quite the stockpile of Percocet. He's been through two hip replacements, has no feeling in one leg from the knee down, quite the collection of scars, surgical and otherwise, on his lower back and an understanding doc.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (GEICT)
oic.
Having had two herniated disks and two surgeries I leave tile installs to the young bucks.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (GEICT)
oic.
Having had two herniated disks and two surgeries I leave tile installs to the young bucks.
Posted by: eman at August 25, 2012 10:20 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 10:20 PM (Ho2rs)
82
70
hi all
enjoying a vodka tonic at thephoenixkc.com
thanx for suggestion
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (N0Z/x
Good grief. Cat Piss led us to believe you were with her.
If you see a woman covered in cat hair and reeking of cat pee, please throw a drink on her an escape.
hi all
enjoying a vodka tonic at thephoenixkc.com
thanx for suggestion
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 10:18 PM (N0Z/x
Good grief. Cat Piss led us to believe you were with her.
If you see a woman covered in cat hair and reeking of cat pee, please throw a drink on her an escape.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 10:20 PM (UOM48)
83
The RNC really needs to start spending money looking into what the h*ll is going on.
I can't rediscover it for the life of me but I saw a link today about ACORN having, yes, been shut down but that it's been replaced by something like 150 [154 IIRC] new knockoffs.
I can't rediscover it for the life of me but I saw a link today about ACORN having, yes, been shut down but that it's been replaced by something like 150 [154 IIRC] new knockoffs.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2012 10:21 PM (vDl/w)
84
I love my 2008 GT500. Love it even with high gas prices, so have put 32k miles on it since buying new. Mine is not some garage princess always pampered. I drive it and have fun on weekends.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:21 PM (zMgpj)
85
Even the NY Slimes calls bullshit on Pedo Harry...(from JustOneMinute)
Despite their "questions have been raised" headline about Romney's taxes, the NY Times provides an early answer to one obvious question raised by Senator and alleged pederast Harry Reid (my emphasis):
But even though he has not released his returns from earlier years, the 2010 return sheds some light on those years.
That’s because Mr. Romney paid income tax to foreign countries, and as result claimed in 2010 a $129,697 foreign tax credit, which he used to offset taxes he owed in the United States. American taxpayers who claim the foreign tax credit are required to report their total foreign taxes paid and tax credits used for the previous 10 years. So that return contains foreign tax data going back to 2000.
The good news for Mr. Romney is the forms suggest that he paid at least some federal income tax every year, as he has said he did. He used the foreign tax credit every year to offset his taxes in the United States, and American taxpayers can’t use a tax credit if they owe no federal income tax. This casts even more doubt on the claim by the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, attributed to an unnamed Bain Capital source, that Mr. Romney paid no income taxes during that time.
Despite their "questions have been raised" headline about Romney's taxes, the NY Times provides an early answer to one obvious question raised by Senator and alleged pederast Harry Reid (my emphasis):
But even though he has not released his returns from earlier years, the 2010 return sheds some light on those years.
That’s because Mr. Romney paid income tax to foreign countries, and as result claimed in 2010 a $129,697 foreign tax credit, which he used to offset taxes he owed in the United States. American taxpayers who claim the foreign tax credit are required to report their total foreign taxes paid and tax credits used for the previous 10 years. So that return contains foreign tax data going back to 2000.
The good news for Mr. Romney is the forms suggest that he paid at least some federal income tax every year, as he has said he did. He used the foreign tax credit every year to offset his taxes in the United States, and American taxpayers can’t use a tax credit if they owe no federal income tax. This casts even more doubt on the claim by the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, attributed to an unnamed Bain Capital source, that Mr. Romney paid no income taxes during that time.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:21 PM (6o4Fb)
86
You are not helping him? Laying tile is fucking easy, especially if you have someone helping. The skill comes in laying it out and doing the edges.. any moron can lay the middle tiles... and mix the mud.. and lay the mud.
I've done my own floors and bathrooms over the years.. but bad knees won't allow it any more.
We all help where we can. But he refuses to admit he needs help and no one can do it the right way but him. Plus, he and I prob wouldn't work well together. Our styles....clash. But of course I'm gonna do what I can. Loaded up all the tile at the store, loaded it into my truck, offloaded at home, helped him move the appliances, handed over tools and pieces of tile, etc.
I've done my own floors and bathrooms over the years.. but bad knees won't allow it any more.
We all help where we can. But he refuses to admit he needs help and no one can do it the right way but him. Plus, he and I prob wouldn't work well together. Our styles....clash. But of course I'm gonna do what I can. Loaded up all the tile at the store, loaded it into my truck, offloaded at home, helped him move the appliances, handed over tools and pieces of tile, etc.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:21 PM (GEICT)
87
"4 I'm in Chicago for a wedding. Should I be nervous?
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam"
Don't be ridiculous. They have gun control. Also, Mayor Rahm told the gangbangers to do their shooting in alleys so they won't hit the children with stray bullets.
You're completely safe.
Posted by: iamahaiangttiam"
Don't be ridiculous. They have gun control. Also, Mayor Rahm told the gangbangers to do their shooting in alleys so they won't hit the children with stray bullets.
You're completely safe.
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM (zSb62)
88
getting ready to head out so i can listen to my favorite radio show...handel on the law
let me committ my heresy now
THE SHELBY AND THE 1911 ARE PIECES OF AMERICAN JUNK
BUY ITALIAN!!!
later all
getting ready to head out so i can listen to my favorite radio show...handel on the law
let me committ my heresy now
THE SHELBY AND THE 1911 ARE PIECES OF AMERICAN JUNK
BUY ITALIAN!!!
later all
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM (Shrag)
89
Yeah chemjeff, we were afraid she had gone all Misery on you....
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM (zMgpj)
90
I can't rediscover it for the life of me but I saw a link today about
ACORN having, yes, been shut down but that it's been replaced by
something like 150 [154 IIRC] new knockoffs.
the Breitbart link at the top of this post?
Why am I still sober?
ACORN having, yes, been shut down but that it's been replaced by
something like 150 [154 IIRC] new knockoffs.
the Breitbart link at the top of this post?
Why am I still sober?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM (hO8IJ)
91
> What is Huckabee's calculation regarding full tilt support of
Akin? Does he not realize there will be a backlash against him (Huck)
too, or does he know but supports Akin on principle?
I think a bit of the latter...plus "niche" conservatism. Huckabee's support/audience (nationally) overlaps considerably with Akin's IMO.
Recall that in the 2008 GOP debates Huckabee was very comfortable with answering the question about creationism with "yes," he believed it. (The one where everyone raised their hands. It might have been to indicate he didn't believe in evolution...can't remember.)
Akin answered horribly, but there's a principled stand to oppose abortion in the case of rape and incest. If you believe life begins at conception, it's irrelevant how that life was conceived.
And both Huckabee and Akin are correct that Akin made a bad statement. He did not *do* anything egregious--as so many have who continued.
I would have liked Akin to get out for pragmatic reasons. But I think non social conservatives can be clueless as well about thinking booting him comes at zero cost.
Akin? Does he not realize there will be a backlash against him (Huck)
too, or does he know but supports Akin on principle?
I think a bit of the latter...plus "niche" conservatism. Huckabee's support/audience (nationally) overlaps considerably with Akin's IMO.
Recall that in the 2008 GOP debates Huckabee was very comfortable with answering the question about creationism with "yes," he believed it. (The one where everyone raised their hands. It might have been to indicate he didn't believe in evolution...can't remember.)
Akin answered horribly, but there's a principled stand to oppose abortion in the case of rape and incest. If you believe life begins at conception, it's irrelevant how that life was conceived.
And both Huckabee and Akin are correct that Akin made a bad statement. He did not *do* anything egregious--as so many have who continued.
I would have liked Akin to get out for pragmatic reasons. But I think non social conservatives can be clueless as well about thinking booting him comes at zero cost.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM (yxz7s)
92
Ghakh, another dinner with expired meat. On the other hand, at 50% off, I get to eat twice as much!
Posted by: t-bird at August 25, 2012 10:23 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: toby928© at August 25, 2012 10:23 PM (QupBk)
94
anna...thanks for the link....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 10:23 PM (Ho2rs)
95
*cat piss crying to her 50 cats right now about how none of the guys she tries to kidnap understand her....and her fifty personalities*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 10:23 PM (UOM48)
96
t-bird. ITs dead. Its already expired.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:24 PM (zMgpj)
97
82 please throw a drink on her an escape
*****TWEET*****
we have personal foul, on jane d'oh #82
waste of alcohol
halfway distance to the goal, loss of down
82 please throw a drink on her an escape
*****TWEET*****
we have personal foul, on jane d'oh #82
waste of alcohol
halfway distance to the goal, loss of down
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:25 PM (Shrag)
98
84 I love my 2008 GT500. Love it even with high gas prices, so have put 32k miles on it since buying new. Mine is not some garage princess always pampered. I drive it and have fun on weekends.
Hell yes. I've got a 68 Dodge Charger. My dad and I did a lot of the work ourselves. My fam has a car problem. We have multiple cars. I need to get mine out and drive it.
Hell yes. I've got a 68 Dodge Charger. My dad and I did a lot of the work ourselves. My fam has a car problem. We have multiple cars. I need to get mine out and drive it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:25 PM (GEICT)
99
88 NCJ,
man card....now....
'72 Mach I 428 PIw/6 pack
Browning HP-35 yes a goddamned FN but designed by 1911 man
I'm sorry NCJ just the way it has to be
man card....now....
'72 Mach I 428 PIw/6 pack
Browning HP-35 yes a goddamned FN but designed by 1911 man
I'm sorry NCJ just the way it has to be
Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2012 10:25 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:25 PM (Gk3SS)
101
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 25, 2012 10:20 PM (UTq/I)
On the way. I just wanted to test chrome out, I originally had Firefox.
On the way. I just wanted to test chrome out, I originally had Firefox.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 25, 2012 10:26 PM (ZOf1l)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 10:26 PM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (Shrag)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (GEICT)
105
We all help where we can. But he refuses to admit he
needs help and no one can do it the right way but him. Plus, he and I
prob wouldn't work well together. Our styles....clash. But of course I'm
gonna do what I can. Loaded up all the tile at the store, loaded it
into my truck, offloaded at home, helped him move the appliances, handed
over tools and pieces of tile, etc.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:21 PM (GEICT)
Seriously, get a kid. There's a built-in "pass down the knowledge of the tribe to youngsters" function in humans that dates back to when we were hunter-gatherers on the African veldt. He'll slow down, make the kid do more of the repetitive work, and stop trying to Just. Finish. The. Damned. Project.
needs help and no one can do it the right way but him. Plus, he and I
prob wouldn't work well together. Our styles....clash. But of course I'm
gonna do what I can. Loaded up all the tile at the store, loaded it
into my truck, offloaded at home, helped him move the appliances, handed
over tools and pieces of tile, etc.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:21 PM (GEICT)
Seriously, get a kid. There's a built-in "pass down the knowledge of the tribe to youngsters" function in humans that dates back to when we were hunter-gatherers on the African veldt. He'll slow down, make the kid do more of the repetitive work, and stop trying to Just. Finish. The. Damned. Project.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (kaalw)
106
I love my 2008 GT500.
Really? I sensed you were up in the air about it...
I know you love your car, Ana. I am happy that you enjoy it, too.
I just don't like the new ones. I like the old ones. It's just how I am.
Myfather has one of the SVT Cobra R Mustangs. Pure race car that thing. It does nothing for me. Fast. Scary fast. Thing will pull over a g on the skidpad, too. But it's just...meh.
I love my 2008 GT500.
Really? I sensed you were up in the air about it...
I know you love your car, Ana. I am happy that you enjoy it, too.
I just don't like the new ones. I like the old ones. It's just how I am.
Myfather has one of the SVT Cobra R Mustangs. Pure race car that thing. It does nothing for me. Fast. Scary fast. Thing will pull over a g on the skidpad, too. But it's just...meh.
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (X87hd)
107
what? me with ozfic? c'mon I am desperate but not that desperate
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (N0Z/x)
Posted by: eman at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (Wp4rQ)
109
That Obama squirrel is freaking me out.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:28 PM (6o4Fb)
110
103 NCJ,
I trust her judgement....
the Beretta M9?
I never liked the slide action on 'em....thr bore gets a bit jumpy compared to HP-35 and friends
Ferrari....
"ok"....
I trust her judgement....
the Beretta M9?
I never liked the slide action on 'em....thr bore gets a bit jumpy compared to HP-35 and friends
Ferrari....
"ok"....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2012 10:29 PM (LRFds)
111
what? me with ozfic? c'mon I am desperate but not that desperate
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (N0Z/x)
We thought it was involuntary on your part. Very much so.
A SEAL team was on stand-by.
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (N0Z/x)
We thought it was involuntary on your part. Very much so.
A SEAL team was on stand-by.
Posted by: eman at August 25, 2012 10:29 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2012 10:29 PM (X87hd)
113
Browning HP-35 yes a goddamned FN but designed by 1911 man
I bought a Taurus PT-1911. Best 1911 I ever owned besides a customized Colt Combat Commander I bought from a Team USA member. The Colt cost four times as much.
I bought a Taurus PT-1911. Best 1911 I ever owned besides a customized Colt Combat Commander I bought from a Team USA member. The Colt cost four times as much.
Posted by: Beto at August 25, 2012 10:29 PM (BAnPT)
114
the Breitbart link at the top of this post?
Half a "doh!"
That's the story but the link I was looking for (and thought was Weasel Zippers but wasn't) had a headline and a still photo along with a quote from the story and not the Breitbart link of CDR M's. Still, that's the story.
Half a "doh!"
That's the story but the link I was looking for (and thought was Weasel Zippers but wasn't) had a headline and a still photo along with a quote from the story and not the Breitbart link of CDR M's. Still, that's the story.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (LRFds)
116
The new Offspring song RULES Days Go By
Posted by: USS Diversity at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (0CiTm)
117
107
what? me with ozfic? c'mon I am desperate but not that desperate
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (N0Z/x
Be careful. She claimed on the thread below that she knows your whereabouts. Beware of crazy-eyed women wearing cat hair.
what? me with ozfic? c'mon I am desperate but not that desperate
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 10:27 PM (N0Z/x
Be careful. She claimed on the thread below that she knows your whereabouts. Beware of crazy-eyed women wearing cat hair.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (UOM48)
118
My dad and I did a lot of the work ourselves.
I wish I knew more about cars other than "c'mere, you have tiny hands, crawl under there, shove your arm up in it and yank that thing out". I am the queen of standing there and handing over wrenches and shit though.
I wish I knew more about cars other than "c'mere, you have tiny hands, crawl under there, shove your arm up in it and yank that thing out". I am the queen of standing there and handing over wrenches and shit though.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (Gk3SS)
119
>>Never liked the Shelby.
C'mon...the 84 Dodge Charger was a hell of a car. Totally worthy of the Shelby branding.
>>Never liked the Shelby.
C'mon...the 84 Dodge Charger was a hell of a car. Totally worthy of the Shelby branding.
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (X87hd)
120
Seriously, get a kid. There's a built-in "pass down the knowledge of the tribe to youngsters" function in humans that dates back to when we were hunter-gatherers on the African veldt. He'll slow down, make the kid do more of the repetitive work, and stop trying to Just. Finish. The. Damned. Project.
Seriously, he refuses help. I've tried. We all have. All he allows/wants/demands is that when he needs something, you hand it to him IMMEDIATELY.
Seriously, he refuses help. I've tried. We all have. All he allows/wants/demands is that when he needs something, you hand it to him IMMEDIATELY.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (GEICT)
121
97
82 please throw a drink on her an escape
*****TWEET*****
we have personal foul, on jane d'oh #82
waste of alcohol
halfway distance to the goal, loss of down
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:25 PM (Shrag)
I don't think that warrants a foul -- dousing cat piss with alcohol sounds like a potentially effective way of avoiding lasting stains and odors.
Wait....are we talking about upholstery?
82 please throw a drink on her an escape
*****TWEET*****
we have personal foul, on jane d'oh #82
waste of alcohol
halfway distance to the goal, loss of down
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:25 PM (Shrag)
I don't think that warrants a foul -- dousing cat piss with alcohol sounds like a potentially effective way of avoiding lasting stains and odors.
Wait....are we talking about upholstery?
Posted by: cthulhu at August 25, 2012 10:31 PM (kaalw)
122
So, you know how we all know the State Media covers things up...like say the fact that the Muslim DC Snipers were good little Jihadis?
Well...I bothered to look up their wiki page, and it mentions in passing Malvo was an illegal alien, and Muhammed a coyote.
Hell, Malvo would probably be eligible for discounted college tuition now if it wasn't for his murdering a bunch of people...
I'm damn well don't remember the State Media discussing either point in reference to the illegal immigration debate, the DREAM act debate, or at any point since. However, Timmy McVeigh is always on the tip of their tongues...
Well...I bothered to look up their wiki page, and it mentions in passing Malvo was an illegal alien, and Muhammed a coyote.
Hell, Malvo would probably be eligible for discounted college tuition now if it wasn't for his murdering a bunch of people...
I'm damn well don't remember the State Media discussing either point in reference to the illegal immigration debate, the DREAM act debate, or at any point since. However, Timmy McVeigh is always on the tip of their tongues...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2012 10:31 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:32 PM (Shrag)
124
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (Gk3SS)
Buy an old junker VW Beatle, get a Repair Manual, and have at it. It's fun.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (Gk3SS)
Buy an old junker VW Beatle, get a Repair Manual, and have at it. It's fun.
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2012 10:32 PM (X87hd)
125
We had a Siamese that barked like that, too. Only when he saw tiny frogs outside on the patio. Nothing else. Tiny frogs = barking cat.
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 25, 2012 10:32 PM (lTVJy)
126
113 Beto,
I'm a rifle guy, so I don't mind medium power handguns.....
My "favorite" is a Richards/Mason 1851 conversion in .38sp
My favorite rifle would be my M-96 Swede
My favorite Shotgun is a M97 Trench gun.....the Ordnance bomb is the roxxorz
I'm a rifle guy, so I don't mind medium power handguns.....
My "favorite" is a Richards/Mason 1851 conversion in .38sp
My favorite rifle would be my M-96 Swede
My favorite Shotgun is a M97 Trench gun.....the Ordnance bomb is the roxxorz
Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2012 10:32 PM (LRFds)
127
Its a really fun car. Even with the stupid footwell mood-lights. Boost gauge goes to 15psi. Speedo to 160mph. 6 speed manual transmission. 5.4L v8 under the hood. And a nice stock sound system. Only things after market is the window tint along with GT500 door sill plates and Carrol Shelby's autograph.
But still not stupid enough to try and break traction on regular streets. Solid rear axle and all that. Just a really bad idea that.
One good thing about all the GT500s out now. I no longer encounter mini-vans or Fox body Mustang LX drivers who think they can race.
But still not stupid enough to try and break traction on regular streets. Solid rear axle and all that. Just a really bad idea that.
One good thing about all the GT500s out now. I no longer encounter mini-vans or Fox body Mustang LX drivers who think they can race.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:33 PM (zMgpj)
128
Seriously, he refuses help. I've tried. We all have. All he allows/wants/demands is that when he needs something, you hand it to him IMMEDIATELY.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (GEICT)
Oh, one of those. Best of luck to all involved.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (GEICT)
Oh, one of those. Best of luck to all involved.
Posted by: eman at August 25, 2012 10:34 PM (Wp4rQ)
129
'50 Reading "First into Nagasaki" '
Does it tell about cannibalism by POW camp officers?
But the Japanese were not vilified by the media the way the nazis were.
Does it tell about cannibalism by POW camp officers?
But the Japanese were not vilified by the media the way the nazis were.
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 25, 2012 10:34 PM (zSb62)
130
Off to bed. Our kid comes home next week (if he lives through the huge typhoon hitting Okinawa tonight, after surviving his tour in A-Stan).
Can't wait to hug the hell out of him and feed him (he's lost 20 lbs.).
'Night, all.
Can't wait to hug the hell out of him and feed him (he's lost 20 lbs.).
'Night, all.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 25, 2012 10:34 PM (UOM48)
131
123 NCJ,
Ok man card can stay I guess....
if you like the Maz you should look at a Viper
The new PX series "eh"...
One of the newer pistols I am interested in is the Chiappa Rhino
Ok man card can stay I guess....
if you like the Maz you should look at a Viper
The new PX series "eh"...
One of the newer pistols I am interested in is the Chiappa Rhino
Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2012 10:34 PM (LRFds)
132
we have personal foul, on jane d'oh #82
waste of alcohol
Not if alcohol content is > 50% and you apply an open flame.
waste of alcohol
Not if alcohol content is > 50% and you apply an open flame.
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at August 25, 2012 10:34 PM (HNn1q)
133
The Blackhawks uniform rated below the Columbus Blue Jackets uniform??? What a crock...
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at August 25, 2012 10:35 PM (vUK/h)
134
I wish I knew more about cars other than "c'mere, you have tiny hands, crawl under there, shove your arm up in it and yank that thing out". I am the queen of standing there and handing over wrenches and shit though.
Best way to learn is doing. Dad bought my Charger as a junker for my 18th bday. Brought it home and said, "Take it apart. Everything you can possibly strip off without messing with engine compartment. Just label everything." he was building a 31 Ford Model A and had me changing out shocks. Fucker didn't warn me. I knock out the bolt for the second shock on the rear end and it drops from 18 inches above my face to about 6. "Oh yeah. Be careful."
Best way to learn is doing. Dad bought my Charger as a junker for my 18th bday. Brought it home and said, "Take it apart. Everything you can possibly strip off without messing with engine compartment. Just label everything." he was building a 31 Ford Model A and had me changing out shocks. Fucker didn't warn me. I knock out the bolt for the second shock on the rear end and it drops from 18 inches above my face to about 6. "Oh yeah. Be careful."
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:35 PM (GEICT)
135
Seriously, he refuses help. I've tried. We all have.
All he allows/wants/demands is that when he needs something, you hand
it to him IMMEDIATELY.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (GEICT)
Bribe the kid to say, "tile guys all act like assholes, charge a lot of money, and act like they're doing you a favor for doing your job......if I could only learn how to do it, I know I could make serious bank!"
All he allows/wants/demands is that when he needs something, you hand
it to him IMMEDIATELY.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:30 PM (GEICT)
Bribe the kid to say, "tile guys all act like assholes, charge a lot of money, and act like they're doing you a favor for doing your job......if I could only learn how to do it, I know I could make serious bank!"
Posted by: cthulhu at August 25, 2012 10:35 PM (kaalw)
136
122 18-1,
Well zen out....from what I hear Brack is gonna come out of the Jihadi Jim closet in NC......
gonna be great he'll pardon folks.
Well zen out....from what I hear Brack is gonna come out of the Jihadi Jim closet in NC......
gonna be great he'll pardon folks.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2012 10:35 PM (LRFds)
137
oh, on the cat, that's actually called chirping
and little known fact...most cats can actually bark like a dog
oh, on the cat, that's actually called chirping
and little known fact...most cats can actually bark like a dog
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:35 PM (Shrag)
138
night Jane!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 10:36 PM (Ho2rs)
139
Good evening.
Chimera kitteh is named Venus?
Should have been named Harvey.
Like Harvey Dent. Two Face, from Batman.
Chimera kitteh is named Venus?
Should have been named Harvey.
Like Harvey Dent. Two Face, from Batman.
Posted by: Robert at August 25, 2012 10:36 PM (HWUv9)
140
That uni ranking is straight controversy-trolling. Like every other list of this type.
Posted by: holygoat at August 25, 2012 10:36 PM (auGuV)
141
Not if alcohol content is > 50% and you apply an open flame.
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at August 25, 2012 10:34 PM (HNn1q)
And if it's not chemjeff's drink.
Not if alcohol content is > 50% and you apply an open flame.
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at August 25, 2012 10:34 PM (HNn1q)
And if it's not chemjeff's drink.
Posted by: eman at August 25, 2012 10:36 PM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2012 10:37 PM (LRFds)
143
Saw this on JihadWatch,never knew it but it doesn't surprise me.
Neil Armstrong was also the target of more Islamic supremacist fantasy: there was (and is) a persistent claim on Islamic apologetic websites that he had actually heard the adhan, the Muslim call to prayer, while on the moon, and had converted to Islam -- a claim that this intensely private man was forced repeatedly to deny
Neil Armstrong was also the target of more Islamic supremacist fantasy: there was (and is) a persistent claim on Islamic apologetic websites that he had actually heard the adhan, the Muslim call to prayer, while on the moon, and had converted to Islam -- a claim that this intensely private man was forced repeatedly to deny
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:37 PM (6o4Fb)
144
Have a good one Jane D'oh.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:37 PM (zMgpj)
145
That Obama squirrel is freaking me out.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:28 PM (6o4Fb)
My wittle Barry sure does like playing with nuts.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:28 PM (6o4Fb)
My wittle Barry sure does like playing with nuts.
Posted by: Barack Obama's Secret Gay Boyfriend at August 25, 2012 10:37 PM (sZTYJ)
146
Wish I could. The mere act of bringing in someone else..../shudder. Better we deal with him now and then dope him up.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:37 PM (GEICT)
147
That Shelby looks tough as hell.
Posted by: holygoat at August 25, 2012 10:38 PM (auGuV)
148
Best way to learn is doing.
The only problem is that I don't really have anywhere I can store or work on a car right now. It's on the list to get an old Ford truck to fix up because, seriously, I shouldn't need a computer to know what's wrong with my car.
The only problem is that I don't really have anywhere I can store or work on a car right now. It's on the list to get an old Ford truck to fix up because, seriously, I shouldn't need a computer to know what's wrong with my car.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:39 PM (Gk3SS)
149
Wait... that's not Secret Squirrel! It's an impostor!
Posted by: Morocco Mole at August 25, 2012 10:39 PM (sZTYJ)
150
129 Or the B-29 crewmen who were vivisected?(dissected alive)I don't believe anyone was ever punished for that either.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:40 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:40 PM (GEICT)
152
I would have liked Akin to get out for pragmatic reasons. But I think
non social conservatives can be clueless as well about thinking booting
him comes at zero cost.
--
I just thought Huck would be more concerned about his own standing than Akin's, or his position on abortion. Anyway, I'm kind of sorry I brought this up because I'm sick of the Akin stuff. The Huck angle just hit me a little while ago though. Maybe he is more principled, or won't come out of this as damaged, as I think.
non social conservatives can be clueless as well about thinking booting
him comes at zero cost.
--
I just thought Huck would be more concerned about his own standing than Akin's, or his position on abortion. Anyway, I'm kind of sorry I brought this up because I'm sick of the Akin stuff. The Huck angle just hit me a little while ago though. Maybe he is more principled, or won't come out of this as damaged, as I think.
Posted by: Mayday at August 25, 2012 10:40 PM (F3s39)
153
Love the Swedish 6.5/55. Hits hard and massive penetration
I bought a house and later learned the previous owner murdered his wife with a shotgun that the police never found. When I was moving out I went into the garage attic to fix a rat chewed wire and there it was laying in the soffit. An 1897 Winchester pump all rusted up. Broke my heart to turn it over to the cops.
I bought a house and later learned the previous owner murdered his wife with a shotgun that the police never found. When I was moving out I went into the garage attic to fix a rat chewed wire and there it was laying in the soffit. An 1897 Winchester pump all rusted up. Broke my heart to turn it over to the cops.
Posted by: Beto at August 25, 2012 10:41 PM (BAnPT)
154
That's the beauty of the beatle, it fits in a storage locker, or small shed. Once you get the fenders off, it'll fit in a shoebox.
That's the beauty of the beatle, it fits in a storage locker, or small shed. Once you get the fenders off, it'll fit in a shoebox.
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2012 10:41 PM (X87hd)
155
Chimera kitteh is named Venus?
Should have been named Harvey.
***
I have lightning eyes you know puny mortal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tptaLdjHTI
Should have been named Harvey.
***
I have lightning eyes you know puny mortal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tptaLdjHTI
Posted by: Janus at August 25, 2012 10:42 PM (AUeaU)
156
there was (and is) a persistent claim on Islamic apologetic websites that he had actually heard the adhan, the Muslim call to prayer, while on the moon
That was me, farting into the mike.
That was me, farting into the mike.
Posted by: Buzz Aldrin at August 25, 2012 10:42 PM (FcR7P)
157
That squirrel is female BTW
Posted by: Beto at August 25, 2012 10:42 PM (BAnPT)
158
I would have liked Akin to get out for pragmatic reasons. But I think
non social conservatives can be clueless as well about thinking booting
him comes at zero cost.
Do you honestly think the cost is less than him staying in? If so, please explain.
non social conservatives can be clueless as well about thinking booting
him comes at zero cost.
Do you honestly think the cost is less than him staying in? If so, please explain.
Posted by: AD at August 25, 2012 10:43 PM (wMUiZ)
159
I got to take a 400 dollar 40 minute ride in a B-24 earlier this year. Manned the waist guns and got to take a turn in the tail gunners position. On our aircraft were two WWII B-24 crewmembers so the other riders and I opted to let them ride up front where the view was better and it was easier for the elderly gentlemen to get into and out of the aircraft. Awesome experience and if you have the means to do so you wont regret it. Sitting in that thing thinking about 18-25 year olds riding this thing over Germany or some Pacific island while 18-25 year olds were trying to kill you just blew my hair back. The aircraft are huge on the outside, but so tiny inside with all the bombs, fuel, etc. And all the protection of an aluminum skin about as thick as a cardboard moving box. Humbling yet awesome at the same time.
Posted by: helofixer at August 25, 2012 10:43 PM (IvtJU)
160
Carl Jr. is a perv.
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at August 25, 2012 10:44 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:45 PM (Gk3SS)
162
I wish I knew more about cars other than "c'mere, you have tiny
hands, crawl under there, shove your arm up in it and yank that thing
out".
http://www.ratwell.com/mirror/Muir/Muir.html
The diagnostic "car noises" audio clips are a good place to start.
hands, crawl under there, shove your arm up in it and yank that thing
out".
http://www.ratwell.com/mirror/Muir/Muir.html
The diagnostic "car noises" audio clips are a good place to start.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 25, 2012 10:45 PM (w78gy)
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2012 10:46 PM (sZTYJ)
164
You mean Unit 731. US government cut a deal with them to get their research. So the killers who tried to see if a human could live with sea water instead of blood were let free.
But atrocities were endemic throughout the Japanese military. Nanking anyone? One Chinese prostitute survived like 90 bayonet wounds. Two Army Lieutenants had a head chopping contest.
Crew of the US destroyer Edsall were massacred by the Japanese. 1943 the civilian contractors on Wake Island were murdered. In the book Raider Battalion, one American was tied to a tree, his abdomen was slit open, and he was left there alive. The massacre of POWs at Palawan. And the plan by the Japanese to 'kill all' the POWs before letting the Allies rescue them.
But atrocities were endemic throughout the Japanese military. Nanking anyone? One Chinese prostitute survived like 90 bayonet wounds. Two Army Lieutenants had a head chopping contest.
Crew of the US destroyer Edsall were massacred by the Japanese. 1943 the civilian contractors on Wake Island were murdered. In the book Raider Battalion, one American was tied to a tree, his abdomen was slit open, and he was left there alive. The massacre of POWs at Palawan. And the plan by the Japanese to 'kill all' the POWs before letting the Allies rescue them.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:47 PM (zMgpj)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 10:47 PM (Ho2rs)
166
The only problem is that I don't really have anywhere I can store or work on a car right now. It's on the list to get an old Ford truck to fix up because, seriously,I shouldn't need a computer to know what's wrong with my car.
Must. Not. Make. Stereotype. Joke.
Must. Not. Make. Stereotype. Joke.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 25, 2012 10:48 PM (X3vSL)
167
Obama the squirrel is certainly taking a wide stance there....
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:50 PM (zMgpj)
168
> Do you honestly think the cost is less than him staying in? If so, please explain.
No, hence my pragmatism about it.
But it bugs me that those who always want to throw the sociocons under the bus have seized on Akin's blundering as another chance to do so.
The same way sociocons want to purify the party of RINOs, fiscal conservatives often want to purify the party of sociocons. You need them both to win and govern. In a two-party system, each party inevitably represents a coalition.
For example, I own a couple of guns, but the Second Amendment is not a pet cause of mine. But I back up my gun toting fellow travellers nevertheless because of recognizing that we are on the same page regarding so many other issues. As long as they have my back, a sense of loyalty dictates I have theirs.
This is how I look at Huckabee and Akin. It's a variation of that old saw about living in Nazi Germany and not caring when they came for the Gypsies.
No, hence my pragmatism about it.
But it bugs me that those who always want to throw the sociocons under the bus have seized on Akin's blundering as another chance to do so.
The same way sociocons want to purify the party of RINOs, fiscal conservatives often want to purify the party of sociocons. You need them both to win and govern. In a two-party system, each party inevitably represents a coalition.
For example, I own a couple of guns, but the Second Amendment is not a pet cause of mine. But I back up my gun toting fellow travellers nevertheless because of recognizing that we are on the same page regarding so many other issues. As long as they have my back, a sense of loyalty dictates I have theirs.
This is how I look at Huckabee and Akin. It's a variation of that old saw about living in Nazi Germany and not caring when they came for the Gypsies.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 10:52 PM (yxz7s)
169
Collings foundation owned the B-24 I rode on..they also have a 2 seater P-51 Mustang that you can rent for a ride..but its a bit spendier.
Link to their schedule and homepage in my name
Link to their schedule and homepage in my name
Posted by: helofixer at August 25, 2012 10:52 PM (IvtJU)
170
Obama the squirrel is certainly taking a wide stance there....
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:50 PM (zMgpj)
That'll just make it easier...
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:50 PM (zMgpj)
That'll just make it easier...
Posted by: Barbed Cock of Satan at August 25, 2012 10:52 PM (sZTYJ)
171
164 No,I think the vivisection was done at a medical school on Okinawa(?).Yes,the Japanese did a lot of bilogical warfare experiments on the Chinese and we took those guys for their knowledge.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:53 PM (6o4Fb)
172
Must. Not. Make. Stereotype. Joke.
Next to last time I was looking for cars Boy BFF said hey what about a Subaru and I nearly pushed him down a flight of stairs.
This suddenly seems relevant.
http://youtu.be/G8tmhWs_kYQ
Next to last time I was looking for cars Boy BFF said hey what about a Subaru and I nearly pushed him down a flight of stairs.
This suddenly seems relevant.
http://youtu.be/G8tmhWs_kYQ
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 - Feel the burn! at August 25, 2012 10:53 PM (Gk3SS)
173
CDRM, I'm not going to play fantasy football. Just pickem.
Posted by: rdbrewer at August 25, 2012 10:53 PM (Iyg03)
174
Helofixer, don't forget Collings has a B-17G, a TA-4J, UH-1, and a F-4D Phantom II.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 25, 2012 10:54 PM (zMgpj)
175
Familysearch has finally finished their index of the 1940 United States Census. All 57 states are now searchable.
Given how full of errors and omissions the ancestry.com index is reported to be, this is your best bet if you're doing research.
And it's free:
familysearch.org/1940census
Familysearch has finally finished their index of the 1940 United States Census. All 57 states are now searchable.
Given how full of errors and omissions the ancestry.com index is reported to be, this is your best bet if you're doing research.
And it's free:
familysearch.org/1940census
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2012 10:54 PM (kdS6q)
176
i'll have to keep checking back...they don't have anything scheduled out here yet.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 10:55 PM (Ho2rs)
177
Good evening, good people. Another fun day at the County Fair today. I love the once a year binge on all the insane food they have. Found some french fries that are the best ever--fresh potatoes, cut thin and cooked to perfection, lots of cheese and real bacon, fried crisp and crumbled over the top. Enough to make one cry from joy.
Good evening, good people. Another fun day at the County Fair today. I love the once a year binge on all the insane food they have. Found some french fries that are the best ever--fresh potatoes, cut thin and cooked to perfection, lots of cheese and real bacon, fried crisp and crumbled over the top. Enough to make one cry from joy.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 25, 2012 10:56 PM (SAMxH)
178
Hey CDR M, if there are open fantasy spots, I'm interested. I'll be totally honest, I'm not that great, but I enjoy it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 10:56 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2012 10:59 PM (vDl/w)
180
That census data isn't too good. My family name is unique in all of the USA (and probably the world) and it didn't turn up my parents or grandparents. There's only two of us left today in the whole US phone book - me and my brother.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 25, 2012 11:00 PM (w78gy)
181
THE SHELBY AND THE 1911 ARE PIECES OF AMERICAN JUNK
BUY ITALIAN!!!
later all
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM
I don't know the Italian guns that well, most of the admired ones seem to be Swiss or German made.
The Italians make really exotic machines, but if you're planning a 100 mile trip, have a friend with a flatbed follow you.
The 800 hp Mustang sounds monstrous, but Mercedes AMG has a version with an 800 hp power plant and it's too much power for the car. Probably too much for the Mustang too, and being Ford insists on putting every last live axle on earth in the Mustang, it's probably best driven on a runway
BUY ITALIAN!!!
later all
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM
I don't know the Italian guns that well, most of the admired ones seem to be Swiss or German made.
The Italians make really exotic machines, but if you're planning a 100 mile trip, have a friend with a flatbed follow you.
The 800 hp Mustang sounds monstrous, but Mercedes AMG has a version with an 800 hp power plant and it's too much power for the car. Probably too much for the Mustang too, and being Ford insists on putting every last live axle on earth in the Mustang, it's probably best driven on a runway
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:03 PM (wwsoB)
182
ha just read the end of last thread
no, no cat ladies here
but there are two older women here who I swear are dressed like hookers
one is wearing a leopard print thing and the other has this spaghetti strap thing
it is just strange
so I guess it could be ozfic and her mother or something
no, no cat ladies here
but there are two older women here who I swear are dressed like hookers
one is wearing a leopard print thing and the other has this spaghetti strap thing
it is just strange
so I guess it could be ozfic and her mother or something
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 11:04 PM (cdwbr)
183
177, that sounds damn good.
Posted by: B5D - 19K, call me Gordon Freeman at August 25, 2012 11:04 PM (qqlqB)
184
FUKUOKA, JAPAN -- "I could never again wear a white smock," says Dr. Toshio Tono, dressed in a white running jacket at his hospital and recalling events of 50 years ago. "It's because the prisoners thought that we were doctors, since they could see the white smocks, that they didn't struggle. They never dreamed they would be dissected."
The prisoners were eight American airmen, knocked out of the sky over southern Japan during the waning months of World War II, and then torn apart organ by organ while they were still alive.
What occurred here 50 years ago this month, at the anatomy department of Kyushu University, has been largely forgotten in Japan and is virtually unknown in the United States. American prisoners of war were subjected to horrific medical experiments. All of the prisoners died. Most of the physicians and assistants then did their best to hide the evidence of what they had done.
Fukuoka is midway between Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which are planning elaborate ceremonies to mark the devastation caused by the United States dropping the first atomic bombs. But neither Fukuoka nor the university plans to mark its own moment of infamy.
The gruesome experiments performed at the university were variations on research programs Japan conducted in territories it occupied during the war. In the most notorious of these efforts, the Japanese Imperial Army's Unit 731 killed thousands of Chinese and Russians held prisoner in Japanese-occupied Manchuria, in experiments to develop chemical and biological weapons.
Ken Yuasa, now a frail, 70-year-old physician in Tokyo, belonged to a military company stationed just south of Unit 731's base at Harbin, Manchuria. He recalls joining other doctors to watch as a prisoner was shot in the stomach, to give Japanese surgeons practice at extracting bullets.
While the victim was still alive, the doctors also practiced amputations.
"It wasn't just my experience," Dr. Yuasa says. "It was done everywhere." Kyushu University stands out as the only site where Americans were incontrovertibly used in dissections and the only known site where experiments were done in Japan.
FUKUOKA, JAPAN -- "I could never again wear a white smock," says Dr. Toshio Tono, dressed in a white running jacket at his hospital and recalling events of 50 years ago. "It's because the prisoners thought that we were doctors, since they could see the white smocks, that they didn't struggle. They never dreamed they would be dissected."
The prisoners were eight American airmen, knocked out of the sky over southern Japan during the waning months of World War II, and then torn apart organ by organ while they were still alive.
What occurred here 50 years ago this month, at the anatomy department of Kyushu University, has been largely forgotten in Japan and is virtually unknown in the United States. American prisoners of war were subjected to horrific medical experiments. All of the prisoners died. Most of the physicians and assistants then did their best to hide the evidence of what they had done.
Fukuoka is midway between Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which are planning elaborate ceremonies to mark the devastation caused by the United States dropping the first atomic bombs. But neither Fukuoka nor the university plans to mark its own moment of infamy.
The gruesome experiments performed at the university were variations on research programs Japan conducted in territories it occupied during the war. In the most notorious of these efforts, the Japanese Imperial Army's Unit 731 killed thousands of Chinese and Russians held prisoner in Japanese-occupied Manchuria, in experiments to develop chemical and biological weapons.
Ken Yuasa, now a frail, 70-year-old physician in Tokyo, belonged to a military company stationed just south of Unit 731's base at Harbin, Manchuria. He recalls joining other doctors to watch as a prisoner was shot in the stomach, to give Japanese surgeons practice at extracting bullets.
While the victim was still alive, the doctors also practiced amputations.
"It wasn't just my experience," Dr. Yuasa says. "It was done everywhere." Kyushu University stands out as the only site where Americans were incontrovertibly used in dissections and the only known site where experiments were done in Japan.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:04 PM (6o4Fb)
185
Isn't that the Chimera Kitteh from the Star Trek episode? Be careful, that kitteh can take over the navigation systems of your starship.
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:04 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 25, 2012 11:05 PM (X3vSL)
187
184 None of them were punished(the few imprisoned were released within a few years).
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:05 PM (6o4Fb)
188
182 but there are two older women here who I swear are dressed like hookers one is wearing a leopard print thing and the other has this spaghetti strap thing it is just strange
so I guess it could be ozfic and her mother or something
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 11:04 PM (cdwbr)
But are they hot? Doable? How many drinks would it take?
so I guess it could be ozfic and her mother or something
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 11:04 PM (cdwbr)
But are they hot? Doable? How many drinks would it take?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:05 PM (GEICT)
189
Didn't Chimera Cat do an episode on Star Trek?
If your kitteh starts talking like Frank Gorshin it's time to check your meds.
The other one is chirping at a bird. Mine both do this thru the window together occasionally. It's some sort of hunting thing. I've never seen them do it outside. I've never seen them catch a bird outside but I do get heads and feathers on the porch.
If your kitteh starts talking like Frank Gorshin it's time to check your meds.
The other one is chirping at a bird. Mine both do this thru the window together occasionally. It's some sort of hunting thing. I've never seen them do it outside. I've never seen them catch a bird outside but I do get heads and feathers on the porch.
Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2012 11:05 PM (Ve9V9)
190
BCochran, I'll see if there is a spot open. If so, I'll send you an email invite.
Posted by: CDR M at August 25, 2012 11:06 PM (dKV5k)
191
g'evenin', 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 25, 2012 11:07 PM (JMmQ9)
192
Teddy J. Ponczka was the first to be handed over to the doctors and their assistants. He had already been stabbed, in either his right shoulder or his chest. According to Dr. Tono, the American assumed he was about to be treated for the wound when he was taken to an operating room.
But the incision went far deeper. A doctor wanted to test surgery's effects on the respiratory system, so one lung was removed. The wound was stitched closed.
How Teddy Ponczka died is in dispute. According to U.S. military records, he was anesthetized during the operation, and then the gas mask was removed from his face. A surgeon, Taro Torisu, reopened the incision and reached into Ponczka's chest. In the bland words of the military report, Torisu "stopped the heart action."
Dr. Tono remembers events differently. The first experiment was followed by a second, he says. Ponczka was given intravenous injections of sea water, to determine if sea water could be used as a substitute for sterile saline solution, used to increase blood volume in the wounded or those in shock. Dr. Tono held the bottle of sea water. He says Ponczka bled to death.
Then it was the turn of the other Americans.
But the incision went far deeper. A doctor wanted to test surgery's effects on the respiratory system, so one lung was removed. The wound was stitched closed.
How Teddy Ponczka died is in dispute. According to U.S. military records, he was anesthetized during the operation, and then the gas mask was removed from his face. A surgeon, Taro Torisu, reopened the incision and reached into Ponczka's chest. In the bland words of the military report, Torisu "stopped the heart action."
Dr. Tono remembers events differently. The first experiment was followed by a second, he says. Ponczka was given intravenous injections of sea water, to determine if sea water could be used as a substitute for sterile saline solution, used to increase blood volume in the wounded or those in shock. Dr. Tono held the bottle of sea water. He says Ponczka bled to death.
Then it was the turn of the other Americans.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:08 PM (6o4Fb)
193
steevy holy shit that is beyond words awful
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 11:08 PM (cdwbr)
194
lol chem
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny & team armstrong at August 25, 2012 11:08 PM (Ho2rs)
195
But it bugs me that those who always want to throw the sociocons under the bus have seized on Akin's blundering as another chance to do so.
This is a complaint I've heard from a number of social conservatives (not just when Tony Perkins and Huckabee gathered last week to support Akin), but over the past few years. I'm sorry, but it just drives my nuts.
The party has been far more loyal to social conservatives than fiscal conservatives over the past two decades. For instance, I'm pro-life and I'm happy with the party being and remaining pro-life--but it's just a fact that a pro-choice candidate doesn't have a chance in hell at the Republican nomination for President and hasn't for a while. It's been taken for granted since we f'ked up with Souter that if a guy is known to be liberal on social issues, there's no way he's going to get a Supreme Court nomination.
Bush was very loyal to the social conservative wing of the party and during that eight years fiscal conservatives got...what? A tax cut that was relatively minor. For that matter, what did fiscal conservatives in the late 90s? The improving deficits were due to a healthy economy. There was welfare reform early on and that was about it.
More importantly, can you think of fiscal conservatives ever supporting a fiscal conservative for as prominent a position as Akin is running for (when the candidate would be an almost certain loser on election day and other viable and acceptable candidates were waiting in the wing)?
If anything, it should be fiscal conservatives threatening to bolt. Now, I don't think they or social conservatives should bolt, but this idea that the party's been catering to fiscal conservatives at the expense of social conservatives (at least over the past 15 years) is just utterly unjustifiable.
This is a complaint I've heard from a number of social conservatives (not just when Tony Perkins and Huckabee gathered last week to support Akin), but over the past few years. I'm sorry, but it just drives my nuts.
The party has been far more loyal to social conservatives than fiscal conservatives over the past two decades. For instance, I'm pro-life and I'm happy with the party being and remaining pro-life--but it's just a fact that a pro-choice candidate doesn't have a chance in hell at the Republican nomination for President and hasn't for a while. It's been taken for granted since we f'ked up with Souter that if a guy is known to be liberal on social issues, there's no way he's going to get a Supreme Court nomination.
Bush was very loyal to the social conservative wing of the party and during that eight years fiscal conservatives got...what? A tax cut that was relatively minor. For that matter, what did fiscal conservatives in the late 90s? The improving deficits were due to a healthy economy. There was welfare reform early on and that was about it.
More importantly, can you think of fiscal conservatives ever supporting a fiscal conservative for as prominent a position as Akin is running for (when the candidate would be an almost certain loser on election day and other viable and acceptable candidates were waiting in the wing)?
If anything, it should be fiscal conservatives threatening to bolt. Now, I don't think they or social conservatives should bolt, but this idea that the party's been catering to fiscal conservatives at the expense of social conservatives (at least over the past 15 years) is just utterly unjustifiable.
Posted by: AD at August 25, 2012 11:09 PM (wMUiZ)
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190 BCochran, I'll see if there is a spot open. If so, I'll send you an email invite.
Good deal. Really appreciate it. Im assuming you have my email.
Good deal. Really appreciate it. Im assuming you have my email.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:09 PM (GEICT)
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So...not to be all conspiracy theory and all.
But whatever happened to Breitbart's "The Vetting"? He died, we had a couple of mid-level revelations about the Big 0, but no big slam dunk. Did AB have something bigger that went with him to his grave?
What was revealed was okay but kind of small potatoes compared to what AB was promising.
But whatever happened to Breitbart's "The Vetting"? He died, we had a couple of mid-level revelations about the Big 0, but no big slam dunk. Did AB have something bigger that went with him to his grave?
What was revealed was okay but kind of small potatoes compared to what AB was promising.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:09 PM (yxz7s)
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Dammit. I was trying to pay attention. How the hell did the moron horde get to 190 posts before I could respond??
I apologize for my lack of engagement recently. I'm working on that.
I apologize for my lack of engagement recently. I'm working on that.
Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch - I am Breitbart at August 25, 2012 11:09 PM (otfJ1)
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Beretta firearms are very good. The 92F the military uses is dead reliable firing almost any quality/type of ammo, filthy or clean, it goes bang. People bitch about its stopping power, but never about its ability to go bang.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 25, 2012 11:09 PM (w78gy)
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Thirty people -- some military, the others from Kyushu University -- were brought to trial by an Allied war crimes tribunal in Yokohama, Japan, on March 11, 1948. Charges included vivisection, wrongful removal of body parts and cannibalism -- based on reports that the experimenters had eaten the livers of the Americans.
Of the 30 defendants, 23 were found guilty of various charges. (For lack of proof, the charges of cannibalism had been dismissed.) Five of the guilty were sentenced to death, four to life imprisonment. The other 14 were sentenced to shorter terms.
A loss of interest
But the attitude of the American occupation forces began to change -- largely because of the start of the Korean War in June 1950. The United States had less interest in punishing Japan, an enemy-turned-ally.
Thus, in September 1950, U.S. Gen. Douglas MacArthur, as supreme commander for Allied Forces, reduced most of the sentences.
By 1958, all of those convicted were free. None of the death sentences was carried out.
Of the 30 defendants, 23 were found guilty of various charges. (For lack of proof, the charges of cannibalism had been dismissed.) Five of the guilty were sentenced to death, four to life imprisonment. The other 14 were sentenced to shorter terms.
A loss of interest
But the attitude of the American occupation forces began to change -- largely because of the start of the Korean War in June 1950. The United States had less interest in punishing Japan, an enemy-turned-ally.
Thus, in September 1950, U.S. Gen. Douglas MacArthur, as supreme commander for Allied Forces, reduced most of the sentences.
By 1958, all of those convicted were free. None of the death sentences was carried out.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:10 PM (6o4Fb)
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Yes ride a warbird if you can. The big radial engines are quite a thrill. And that Collings Foundation B-17G "Nine-O-Nine"? I jumped from it at the world freefall convention.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at August 25, 2012 11:10 PM (9HhTH)
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That sports uniform thing is pure BS. Two Chicago teams in the top five and neither one is the Hawks? The Hawks have the coolest uniforms in sports. The Hawks uniform anally rapes the Bears uniform and makes the Cubs uniform lick its taint.
Posted by: Guy who really likes the Hawks uniform at August 25, 2012 11:10 PM (nZvGM)
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There are worse details I could excerpt but I'm getting angry reading it.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:11 PM (6o4Fb)
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Can we fucking bomb Japan again?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:11 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:13 PM (6o4Fb)
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BCochran, I'll send the invite to the email you have listed with your nic.
Posted by: CDR M at August 25, 2012 11:13 PM (dKV5k)
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AD: I don't disagree. But I sense fiscal conservatives really wish they didn't have to carry social conservatives' water.
I have a little of this inclination, too (despite being somewhat of a social conservative myself). I want to distance myself from the truly stupid stuff because I consider myself an intelligent person (naturally). And therefore I resent having to be loyal to some of the crapulence my coalition foists upon me. Even so, this election is about far bigger fish to fry, and I'm totally about "whatever it takes."
I have a little of this inclination, too (despite being somewhat of a social conservative myself). I want to distance myself from the truly stupid stuff because I consider myself an intelligent person (naturally). And therefore I resent having to be loyal to some of the crapulence my coalition foists upon me. Even so, this election is about far bigger fish to fry, and I'm totally about "whatever it takes."
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:15 PM (yxz7s)
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206 BCochran, I'll send the invite to the email you have listed with your nic.
Again, big thanks. Further involvement with the Horde is, well honestly, pretty damn cool.
Again, big thanks. Further involvement with the Horde is, well honestly, pretty damn cool.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:15 PM (GEICT)
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Ugh. Had pizza tonight, and like every other time I make pizza I ate far too much of it. And like every other time before, I then feel like a rotting bloated corpse the rest of the night.
The obvious solution would be to stop making pizza for dinner. Which I afterwards vow to do... until two weeks later when I repeat the cycle. Dammit.
The obvious solution would be to stop making pizza for dinner. Which I afterwards vow to do... until two weeks later when I repeat the cycle. Dammit.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 25, 2012 11:15 PM (X3vSL)
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The problem with quite a few of the so called socons, is they'd accept a fracking spendthrift dictatorship or theocracy if it banned abortion.
If all you have is a laser like single issue focus, you're not really a reliable proponent of the multitude of issues facing the Republic. ex. Huckabee.
IOW - they're not really conservative in what the totality of that word encompasses, they just happen to be religious.
You need more than one "hard stop" in your outlook to be considered "conservative" IMO.
If all you have is a laser like single issue focus, you're not really a reliable proponent of the multitude of issues facing the Republic. ex. Huckabee.
IOW - they're not really conservative in what the totality of that word encompasses, they just happen to be religious.
You need more than one "hard stop" in your outlook to be considered "conservative" IMO.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 25, 2012 11:16 PM (w78gy)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:16 PM (GEICT)
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But whatever happened to Breitbart's "The Vetting"? He died, we had a couple of mid-level revelations about the Big 0, but no big slam dunk. Did AB have something bigger that went with him to his grave?
What was revealed was okay but kind of small potatoes compared to what AB was promising.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:09 PM (yxz7s)
October surprise anyone?
What was revealed was okay but kind of small potatoes compared to what AB was promising.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:09 PM (yxz7s)
October surprise anyone?
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2012 11:16 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: sig at August 25, 2012 11:17 PM (zsu/A)
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Re: the "barking" cat, I have also usually called it chirping, and like everyone else's cats, mine have done that when they see a bird they want to kill. I think it's a pack-hunting thing even though they're not supposed to be pack hunters, the programming's still there.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at August 25, 2012 11:18 PM (2S60h)
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210 The problem with quite a few of the so called socons, is they'd accept a fracking spendthrift dictatorship or theocracy if it banned abortion.
If all you have is a laser like single issue focus, you're not really a reliable proponent of the multitude of issues facing the Republic. ex. Huckabee.
IOW - they're not really conservative in what the totality of that word encompasses, they just happen to be religious.
You need more than one "hard stop" in your outlook to be considered "conservative" IMO.
Basically agree with what you said. My problem is that those of us who have socon views get lumped in with what you just described.
If all you have is a laser like single issue focus, you're not really a reliable proponent of the multitude of issues facing the Republic. ex. Huckabee.
IOW - they're not really conservative in what the totality of that word encompasses, they just happen to be religious.
You need more than one "hard stop" in your outlook to be considered "conservative" IMO.
Basically agree with what you said. My problem is that those of us who have socon views get lumped in with what you just described.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:18 PM (GEICT)
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Can we fucking bomb Japan again?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:11 PM (GEICT)
This: http://trurly.ytmnd.com/
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:11 PM (GEICT)
This: http://trurly.ytmnd.com/
Posted by: Harry S Truman at August 25, 2012 11:18 PM (sZTYJ)
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Feel sorry for the firebombings and the nukes?Not I.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:19 PM (6o4Fb)
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dammit. Denounce myself and fine myself one internetz.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:19 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: t-bird at August 25, 2012 11:19 PM (FcR7P)
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Posted by: AD at August 25, 2012 11:09 PM (wMUiZ)
And what, exactly, have the socons gotten? They can't even get a Republican president to show up to the annual pro-life rally, which is the largest rally in DC EVERY YEAR. I think it is safe to say that conservatives in general have gotten pretty shabby treatment from their party. Witness the useless POS we've been saddled with as the Speaker of the House.
And what, exactly, have the socons gotten? They can't even get a Republican president to show up to the annual pro-life rally, which is the largest rally in DC EVERY YEAR. I think it is safe to say that conservatives in general have gotten pretty shabby treatment from their party. Witness the useless POS we've been saddled with as the Speaker of the House.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 25, 2012 11:19 PM (nZvGM)
Posted by: buzzion at August 25, 2012 11:19 PM (GULKT)
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"Did AB have something bigger that went with him to his grave?"
If you can ask that question; you can do the work it takes to answer it.
Breitbart certainly didn't leave a legacy of conjecture. He stood firm when others would demure.
At this moment, I'm a drunken idiot who knows far too much about pop
culture but can appreciate such tedious and unrewarding work. Whhaa?
If you can ask that question; you can do the work it takes to answer it.
Breitbart certainly didn't leave a legacy of conjecture. He stood firm when others would demure.
At this moment, I'm a drunken idiot who knows far too much about pop
culture but can appreciate such tedious and unrewarding work. Whhaa?
Posted by: derit at August 25, 2012 11:19 PM (ruiF1)
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The obvious solution would be to stop making pizza for dinner. Which I afterwards vow to do... until two weeks later when I repeat the cycle. Dammit.
There's another solution.
The obvious solution would be to stop making pizza for dinner. Which I afterwards vow to do... until two weeks later when I repeat the cycle. Dammit.
There's another solution.
Posted by: Bulimia nervosa at August 25, 2012 11:20 PM (JFtSj)
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""Ugh. Had pizza tonight, and like every other time I make pizza I ate
far too much of it. And like every other time before, I then feel like a
rotting bloated corpse the rest of the night.""
Great, isn't it?
""Ugh. Had pizza tonight, and like every other time I make pizza I ate
far too much of it. And like every other time before, I then feel like a
rotting bloated corpse the rest of the night.""
Great, isn't it?
Posted by: Berserker at August 25, 2012 11:22 PM (FMbng)
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@ 207
Indeed it is about whatever it takes--as in likely the lat chance to reverse course and become America again.
I wasn't at all thrilled with Romney at first, watching him to date has been a really pleasant shock. I have to say, admittedly anecdotally, that there seems to be a swelling undercurrent here, it pops up in every conversation I've had regarding politics.
A landslide for Romney would be no surprise at all to me.
Indeed it is about whatever it takes--as in likely the lat chance to reverse course and become America again.
I wasn't at all thrilled with Romney at first, watching him to date has been a really pleasant shock. I have to say, admittedly anecdotally, that there seems to be a swelling undercurrent here, it pops up in every conversation I've had regarding politics.
A landslide for Romney would be no surprise at all to me.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 25, 2012 11:23 PM (SAMxH)
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But I sense fiscal conservatives really wish they didn't have to carry social conservatives' water.
Nicholas, I'm really happy with the party carrying around a decent amount of social conservative water. If Huckabee could come up with examples of us doing the same thing for a fiscal conservative--essentially supporting Ayn Rand secret granddaughter for a senate seat when she was losing by 10 points and other conservatives were available and waiting in the wing, I'd be more amenable to his complaints.
For that matter, I am somewhat amenable to complaints from social conservatives that the party isn't listening to them for the same reason I'm amenable to the idea from all conservatives in general that the party isn't listening to them. It's this idea from some people that the party has it in for the social conservative wing vis-a-vis fiscal conservatives that just drive me insane.
Nicholas, I'm really happy with the party carrying around a decent amount of social conservative water. If Huckabee could come up with examples of us doing the same thing for a fiscal conservative--essentially supporting Ayn Rand secret granddaughter for a senate seat when she was losing by 10 points and other conservatives were available and waiting in the wing, I'd be more amenable to his complaints.
For that matter, I am somewhat amenable to complaints from social conservatives that the party isn't listening to them for the same reason I'm amenable to the idea from all conservatives in general that the party isn't listening to them. It's this idea from some people that the party has it in for the social conservative wing vis-a-vis fiscal conservatives that just drive me insane.
Posted by: AD at August 25, 2012 11:23 PM (wMUiZ)
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:23 PM (wwsoB)
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OK, wait I haven't been around much and just skim read, chemjeff is dating catpiss and they are drinking daiquiris together?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 25, 2012 11:25 PM (RZ8pf)
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My cat (ragdoll ) does the same thing. I know when a lizard or a gecko is on the screen door or a squirrel is on the fence.
Posted by: helofixer at August 25, 2012 11:25 PM (IvtJU)
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@223- No, because then I'd be all "Whew, that was disgusting but I do feel better. Except now I'm hungry again... wait! There's leftover pizza in the fridge!"
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 25, 2012 11:26 PM (X3vSL)
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143
Saw this on JihadWatch,never knew it but it doesn't surprise me.
Neil Armstrong was also the target of more Islamic supremacist
fantasy: there was (and is) a persistent claim on Islamic apologetic
websites that he had actually heard the adhan, the Muslim call to
prayer, while on the moon, and had converted to Islam -- a claim that
this intensely private man was forced repeatedly to deny
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:37 PM (6o4Fb)
It is the most beautiful sound in the world.
Saw this on JihadWatch,never knew it but it doesn't surprise me.
Neil Armstrong was also the target of more Islamic supremacist
fantasy: there was (and is) a persistent claim on Islamic apologetic
websites that he had actually heard the adhan, the Muslim call to
prayer, while on the moon, and had converted to Islam -- a claim that
this intensely private man was forced repeatedly to deny
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 10:37 PM (6o4Fb)
It is the most beautiful sound in the world.
Posted by: Barack Obama at August 25, 2012 11:26 PM (1grxW)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2012 11:26 PM (vDl/w)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:28 PM (GEICT)
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My problem is that those of us who have socon views get lumped in with what you just described
The difference is in not getting pissy about not getting what you want and sitting one out. Reasonable people take some of something over all of nothing.
Reasonable anti-abortion people have a ground game and form long term plans to influence the electorate in ways that won't repel them and recognize that might take several generations to accomplish.
If the Republic collapses, whatever takes its place is not likely to be nearly as tolerant of the single-issue socons. They'd to well to recognize this country is on the edge of an existential cliff.
The difference is in not getting pissy about not getting what you want and sitting one out. Reasonable people take some of something over all of nothing.
Reasonable anti-abortion people have a ground game and form long term plans to influence the electorate in ways that won't repel them and recognize that might take several generations to accomplish.
If the Republic collapses, whatever takes its place is not likely to be nearly as tolerant of the single-issue socons. They'd to well to recognize this country is on the edge of an existential cliff.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 25, 2012 11:29 PM (w78gy)
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Well, I can actually taste the redbull in this drink. Prob a good thing.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:29 PM (GEICT)
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> The problem with quite a few of the so called socons, is they'd accept a
fracking spendthrift dictatorship or theocracy if it banned abortion.
But one must look at negatives in terms of both impact and probabilites.
And there's almost zero probabilty of that which you speak.
Pro life is a net positive platform position, provided it's articulated correctly--i.e., not like Akin--whereas fiscal responsibility is a tougher nut to crack.
Moreover, pro life is simpler than fiscal responsibility. That is, many conservatives like to spend money, provided it's for things like national defense.
All that said, this election will hinge on the economy, unless we be diverted. Despite my social conservative leanings, I have supported Mitt Romney because of my belief he is the best chance of removing the Big 0 from the White House. And almost any R is better than Obama.
fracking spendthrift dictatorship or theocracy if it banned abortion.
But one must look at negatives in terms of both impact and probabilites.
And there's almost zero probabilty of that which you speak.
Pro life is a net positive platform position, provided it's articulated correctly--i.e., not like Akin--whereas fiscal responsibility is a tougher nut to crack.
Moreover, pro life is simpler than fiscal responsibility. That is, many conservatives like to spend money, provided it's for things like national defense.
All that said, this election will hinge on the economy, unless we be diverted. Despite my social conservative leanings, I have supported Mitt Romney because of my belief he is the best chance of removing the Big 0 from the White House. And almost any R is better than Obama.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:30 PM (yxz7s)
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Thanks for killing another ONT. See you next week.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2012 11:26 PM (vDl/w)
Bless your heart. We'll try to live up to expectations then.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2012 11:26 PM (vDl/w)
Bless your heart. We'll try to live up to expectations then.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 25, 2012 11:30 PM (nZvGM)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 11:30 PM (cdwbr)
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Canadians! Pfft!
[whispering]
(Please send us more funny people and hawt chicks; Mexico only gives us drugs and deadbeats!)
[whispering]
(Please send us more funny people and hawt chicks; Mexico only gives us drugs and deadbeats!)
Posted by: derit at August 25, 2012 11:30 PM (ruiF1)
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:31 PM (wwsoB)
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whew, thanks chemjeff, I was worried. Good to know it was just my poor reading skills.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 25, 2012 11:32 PM (RZ8pf)
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I just wish the fiscons would read adam smith *and* edmund burke
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 11:32 PM (cdwbr)
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In that picture of Obama holding that nut, you can tell from the look in his eyes that he really misses Reggie.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 25, 2012 11:33 PM (1grxW)
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But whatever happened to Breitbart's "The Vetting"?
Remember what he said? "We should not be afraid to say Obama is a radical." Something along those lines.
I wonder if we'll see any ads (PAC) where Barry's reading from his book where he talks about his cocaine usage. Nice visuals to accompany would be the choom gang yearbook pic and the picture when O was high (holding a joint? I don't remember). Could also show that pic of him sitting nice and close to his Paki roommate, and some quotes from Larry Sinclair.
Remember what he said? "We should not be afraid to say Obama is a radical." Something along those lines.
I wonder if we'll see any ads (PAC) where Barry's reading from his book where he talks about his cocaine usage. Nice visuals to accompany would be the choom gang yearbook pic and the picture when O was high (holding a joint? I don't remember). Could also show that pic of him sitting nice and close to his Paki roommate, and some quotes from Larry Sinclair.
Posted by: Mayday at August 25, 2012 11:33 PM (F3s39)
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:33 PM (wwsoB)
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The Nazi's were better.
By Nazis % By Japanese %
Captured and Interned:
93,941
---
36,260
---
Died While POW:
1,121
1.1%
13,851
38.2%
Alive on Jan. 1, 2000:
44,773
47.6%
5,745
15.8%
By Nazis % By Japanese %
Captured and Interned:
93,941
---
36,260
---
Died While POW:
1,121
1.1%
13,851
38.2%
Alive on Jan. 1, 2000:
44,773
47.6%
5,745
15.8%
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:35 PM (6o4Fb)
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complaints from social conservatives that the party isn't listening to them
Stare Decicis - they need to understand their demands are UNDELIVERABLE without a constitutional amendment or a SCOTUS willing to revisit RvW.
The makeup of the court presently and into the foreseeable future is unlikely to grant cert to any RvW challenge case.
If they want to be treated seriously, they need to start running a serious ground game for the constitutional amendment.
Without that, they're just wasting everyone's time debating how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
Stare Decicis - they need to understand their demands are UNDELIVERABLE without a constitutional amendment or a SCOTUS willing to revisit RvW.
The makeup of the court presently and into the foreseeable future is unlikely to grant cert to any RvW challenge case.
If they want to be treated seriously, they need to start running a serious ground game for the constitutional amendment.
Without that, they're just wasting everyone's time debating how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 25, 2012 11:35 PM (w78gy)
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PGiS not your poor reading skills, just the creative imaginations of the HQ denizens
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at August 25, 2012 11:35 PM (cdwbr)
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The difference is in not getting pissy about not getting what you want and sitting one out. Reasonable people take some of something over all of nothing.
Reasonable anti-abortion people have a ground game and form long term plans to influence the electorate in ways that won't repel them and recognize that might take several generations to accomplish.
If the Republic collapses, whatever takes its place is not likely to be nearly as tolerant of the single-issue socons. They'd to well to recognize this country is on the edge of an existential cliff.
Speaking for myself of course, socons get tired of being the Right's boogeyman. We are treated as the redheaded stepchild. That doesn't exactly encourage socons to be ok with compromise.
Reasonable anti-abortion people have a ground game and form long term plans to influence the electorate in ways that won't repel them and recognize that might take several generations to accomplish.
If the Republic collapses, whatever takes its place is not likely to be nearly as tolerant of the single-issue socons. They'd to well to recognize this country is on the edge of an existential cliff.
Speaking for myself of course, socons get tired of being the Right's boogeyman. We are treated as the redheaded stepchild. That doesn't exactly encourage socons to be ok with compromise.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:35 PM (GEICT)
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Larry Sinclair and Will Folks are a match made in heaven.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 25, 2012 11:35 PM (QTHTd)
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That was POW here are the civilian internee numbers.
By Nazis % By Japanese %
Captured and Interned:
4,746
---
13,996
---
Died While POW:
168
3.5%
1,536
11%
Alive on Jan. 1, 2000:
1,521
32%
1,497
10.7%
By Nazis % By Japanese %
Captured and Interned:
4,746
---
13,996
---
Died While POW:
168
3.5%
1,536
11%
Alive on Jan. 1, 2000:
1,521
32%
1,497
10.7%
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:36 PM (6o4Fb)
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American
Total POWs: 25,600
POW Deaths: 10,650
Percentage Dead: 41.6%
British, Australian, British Indian
Total POWs: 130,000
POW Deaths: 8,100
Percentage Dead: 6.2%
Dutch
Total POWs: 37,000
POW Deaths: 8,500
Percentage Dead: 23%
Total POWs: 25,600
POW Deaths: 10,650
Percentage Dead: 41.6%
British, Australian, British Indian
Total POWs: 130,000
POW Deaths: 8,100
Percentage Dead: 6.2%
Dutch
Total POWs: 37,000
POW Deaths: 8,500
Percentage Dead: 23%
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:37 PM (6o4Fb)
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And what, exactly, have the socons gotten? They can't even get a Republican president to show up to the annual pro-life rally, which is the largest rally in DC EVERY YEAR. I think it is safe to say that conservatives in general have gotten pretty shabby treatment from their party.
True (social conservatives have gotten Supreme Court Justices, but not enough to change anything). However, the social conservative movement (outside of abortion) has been much more focused on preventing liberals from changing things than in changing government policies already in place. Preventing liberals from implementing their policies is a victory. Social conservatives would like society overall to become more religious and conservative, but that's a hope in general as opposed to a call for government to do it. (Yeah, I'm generalizing a little bit.)
Keeping liberals from changing things isn't any sort of victory for fiscal cons. We need an extensive rollback or we're fucked.
Besides that, though, what would you rather have a President who's pro-life and nominates pro-life Justices or somebody who attends rallies? Pro-lifers have had at least one of those. Fiscal conservative have gone without the President part of that equation for a while and would like to have one.
True (social conservatives have gotten Supreme Court Justices, but not enough to change anything). However, the social conservative movement (outside of abortion) has been much more focused on preventing liberals from changing things than in changing government policies already in place. Preventing liberals from implementing their policies is a victory. Social conservatives would like society overall to become more religious and conservative, but that's a hope in general as opposed to a call for government to do it. (Yeah, I'm generalizing a little bit.)
Keeping liberals from changing things isn't any sort of victory for fiscal cons. We need an extensive rollback or we're fucked.
Besides that, though, what would you rather have a President who's pro-life and nominates pro-life Justices or somebody who attends rallies? Pro-lifers have had at least one of those. Fiscal conservative have gone without the President part of that equation for a while and would like to have one.
Posted by: AD at August 25, 2012 11:38 PM (wMUiZ)
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252 They hated Americans the mostest.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:38 PM (6o4Fb)
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That doesn't exactly encourage socons to be ok with compromise.
Then they can take their chances with MadMax world. Its a pretty simple choice - they believe the USA is the best chance of accomplishing their goals, or they don't and think they'll have a better chance with whatever comes after the collapse.
There's no middle ground.
Then they can take their chances with MadMax world. Its a pretty simple choice - they believe the USA is the best chance of accomplishing their goals, or they don't and think they'll have a better chance with whatever comes after the collapse.
There's no middle ground.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 25, 2012 11:39 PM (w78gy)
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Hollowpoint --the obvious solution would be for you to cut your recipe in 1/2 or 2/3 whatever so you CANT overfill on the pizza.
Posted by: Palerider, with Vulcan logic disease at August 25, 2012 11:39 PM (5CusZ)
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I have flown Aluminum Overcast. Left seat. It's in my logbook.
That logbook will go with me to the grave.
Because the Officers' Club on the Opposite Shore is no place to get coined and be without.
The next day I was stuck in an interminable and pointless meeting about yet another new electronic passkey that wasn't going to work, for each and every door in my agency's building. Because terrorists. You can always tell when an outfit is overhauling security: the doors are propped open.
When I couldn't take it any more, I said "We may be missing the Big Picture here. Yesterday I brought a B-17 over Main Office with the bomb bay doors open, and no one did a thing to stop me."
And, praise the Lord, my EAA buddy from maintenance control just happened to be there, and gave me a "He ain't lyin'."
That logbook will go with me to the grave.
Because the Officers' Club on the Opposite Shore is no place to get coined and be without.
The next day I was stuck in an interminable and pointless meeting about yet another new electronic passkey that wasn't going to work, for each and every door in my agency's building. Because terrorists. You can always tell when an outfit is overhauling security: the doors are propped open.
When I couldn't take it any more, I said "We may be missing the Big Picture here. Yesterday I brought a B-17 over Main Office with the bomb bay doors open, and no one did a thing to stop me."
And, praise the Lord, my EAA buddy from maintenance control just happened to be there, and gave me a "He ain't lyin'."
Posted by: comatus at August 25, 2012 11:40 PM (qaVK+)
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252 The Australians died at a 35% clip so they were nearly as hated as the Americans.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:40 PM (6o4Fb)
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I don't understand why the NYTs moderator won't publish my comments on the MoDo column. The comments published might as well be at the Daily Kooks. Don't they want a diversity of opinion and ideas? Isn't that the hallmark of a great institution like the Times? Diversity of ideas and debate? You might almost come to the conclusion that the Times is nothing more than a giant DNC fax machine.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 25, 2012 11:40 PM (JRU+g)
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 25, 2012 11:40 PM (1grxW)
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"Isaac Turns Deadly!" says the Weather Channel
Deaths in Haiti from the storm. However, if someone turns on a fan it blows down a good portion of Port Au Prince
Deaths in Haiti from the storm. However, if someone turns on a fan it blows down a good portion of Port Au Prince
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:41 PM (wwsoB)
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Then they can take their chances with MadMax world. Its a pretty simple choice - they believe the USA is the best chance of accomplishing their goals, or they don't and think they'll have a better chance with whatever comes after the collapse.
There's no middle ground.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. "Fuck you. Operate how we want or get lost."
You back people in a corner, how do you expect them to act?
There's no middle ground.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. "Fuck you. Operate how we want or get lost."
You back people in a corner, how do you expect them to act?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:41 PM (GEICT)
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and OT: ....
on Thursday I did over 100 miles on west central Wisconsin county roads , and here is some raw data:
84 signs for local races, DA, register of deeds(sp), and so forth
4 romney / ryan signs, 2 homemade, 1
bumpersticker-on-a-stick, ,one printed
Zero obama
1 recall walker leftover, seems safe to assume this is an obama voter
In terms of talking to random strangers out in the cornfields, I can't remember the last time I talked to an obama fanboi, or even an obama apologist.
fwiw.
on Thursday I did over 100 miles on west central Wisconsin county roads , and here is some raw data:
84 signs for local races, DA, register of deeds(sp), and so forth
4 romney / ryan signs, 2 homemade, 1
bumpersticker-on-a-stick, ,one printed
Zero obama
1 recall walker leftover, seems safe to assume this is an obama voter
In terms of talking to random strangers out in the cornfields, I can't remember the last time I talked to an obama fanboi, or even an obama apologist.
fwiw.
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 25, 2012 11:42 PM (jNNWD)
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261 A Michael Moore fart would be a megadeath event.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:42 PM (6o4Fb)
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> I just wish the fiscons would read adam smith *and* edmund burke
Or that the entire electorate would.
Or that the entire electorate would.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:42 PM (yxz7s)
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Stare Decicis - they need to understand their demands are UNDELIVERABLE without a constitutional amendment or a SCOTUS willing to revisit RvW.
The makeup of the court presently and into the foreseeable future is unlikely to grant cert to any RvW challenge case.
Speaking of that, consider what our chances are of getting pro-life Supreme Court Justices over the next couple years if we don't have the Senate because of Akin.
Yeah, I don't really trust Romney either here, but Akin supporters are moving us from a position of having a reason to be wary to one where they can be confident we're screwed if we can't deliver 51 votes.
The makeup of the court presently and into the foreseeable future is unlikely to grant cert to any RvW challenge case.
Speaking of that, consider what our chances are of getting pro-life Supreme Court Justices over the next couple years if we don't have the Senate because of Akin.
Yeah, I don't really trust Romney either here, but Akin supporters are moving us from a position of having a reason to be wary to one where they can be confident we're screwed if we can't deliver 51 votes.
Posted by: AD at August 25, 2012 11:43 PM (wMUiZ)
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Hey that acorn is black... RACIST!
Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2012 11:45 PM (Ve9V9)
Posted by: epobirs at August 25, 2012 11:46 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:46 PM (GEICT)
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Here is my take on Akin since everyone was asking.
Soldier on his way to a special mission- after being selected but before the point no return -- shoots himself on the foot while cleaning his weapon. Don't leave him on the battle field (as Huck claims we're trying to do) -- get him to a field hospital and take great care of him.
But send the backup on the mission. Not the guy with the untreated gunshot wound.
Soldier on his way to a special mission- after being selected but before the point no return -- shoots himself on the foot while cleaning his weapon. Don't leave him on the battle field (as Huck claims we're trying to do) -- get him to a field hospital and take great care of him.
But send the backup on the mission. Not the guy with the untreated gunshot wound.
Posted by: Fritz at August 25, 2012 11:47 PM (U0t2o)
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261 A Michael Moore fart would be a megadeath event.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:42 PM (6o4Fb)
I think I'd prefer a Megadeth event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdEupVsL07E
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2012 11:42 PM (6o4Fb)
I think I'd prefer a Megadeth event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdEupVsL07E
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2012 11:48 PM (sZTYJ)
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Many of us conservatives believe it is none of the federal government's business to weigh in on abortion. You are never going to get a federal ban on abortion.. never.. handing it back to the states is the best you can do.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 25, 2012 11:49 PM (UTq/I)
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The difference is in not getting pissy about not getting what you want and sitting one out. Reasonable people take some of something over all of nothing.
Reasonable anti-abortion people have a ground game and form long term plans to influence the electorate in ways that won't repel them and recognize that might take several generations to accomplish.
If the Republic collapses, whatever takes its place is not likely to be nearly as tolerant of the single-issue socons. They'd to well to recognize this country is on the edge of an existential cliff.
Speaking for myself of course, socons get tired of being the Right's boogeyman. We are treated as the redheaded stepchild. That doesn't exactly encourage socons to be ok with compromise.
hey, I've been voting for your guys for a couple of decades now in spite of your desire to legislate your version of morality.
how about you people loosening up for once and voting for a libertarian just to keep us square, ok ?
oops, thats right, you can't do that because of your precious morality .... oh well, never mind, right ?
enjoy mad max universe then ok ?
bai4now
Reasonable anti-abortion people have a ground game and form long term plans to influence the electorate in ways that won't repel them and recognize that might take several generations to accomplish.
If the Republic collapses, whatever takes its place is not likely to be nearly as tolerant of the single-issue socons. They'd to well to recognize this country is on the edge of an existential cliff.
Speaking for myself of course, socons get tired of being the Right's boogeyman. We are treated as the redheaded stepchild. That doesn't exactly encourage socons to be ok with compromise.
hey, I've been voting for your guys for a couple of decades now in spite of your desire to legislate your version of morality.
how about you people loosening up for once and voting for a libertarian just to keep us square, ok ?
oops, thats right, you can't do that because of your precious morality .... oh well, never mind, right ?
enjoy mad max universe then ok ?
bai4now
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 25, 2012 11:50 PM (jNNWD)
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270
Here is my take on Akin since everyone was asking.
Soldier on his
way to a special mission- after being selected but before the point no
return -- shoots himself on the foot while cleaning his weapon. Don't
leave him on the battle field (as Huck claims we're trying to do) -- get
him to a field hospital and take great care of him.
But send the backup on the mission. Not the guy with the untreated gunshot wound.
Posted by: Fritz at August 25, 2012 11:47 PM
There are also the officers who are incompetent and get good men killed if you don't pull them off the line and reassign them to the motor pool.
Akin should be the kitchen supply officer
Here is my take on Akin since everyone was asking.
Soldier on his
way to a special mission- after being selected but before the point no
return -- shoots himself on the foot while cleaning his weapon. Don't
leave him on the battle field (as Huck claims we're trying to do) -- get
him to a field hospital and take great care of him.
But send the backup on the mission. Not the guy with the untreated gunshot wound.
Posted by: Fritz at August 25, 2012 11:47 PM
There are also the officers who are incompetent and get good men killed if you don't pull them off the line and reassign them to the motor pool.
Akin should be the kitchen supply officer
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:52 PM (wwsoB)
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I just wish the fiscons would read adam smith *and* edmund burke
Or that the entire electorate would.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:42 PM (yxz7s)
Edmund Burke could very well be considered the father of conservatism as we know it. His smackdown of the Jacobins is still relevant today: on one side we have the Burkean conservatives and on the other we have the self-declared intelligentsia statists that want to impose their utopia on people one way or another (from Jacobins to NAZIs to communists to modern Progressives).
Or that the entire electorate would.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:42 PM (yxz7s)
Edmund Burke could very well be considered the father of conservatism as we know it. His smackdown of the Jacobins is still relevant today: on one side we have the Burkean conservatives and on the other we have the self-declared intelligentsia statists that want to impose their utopia on people one way or another (from Jacobins to NAZIs to communists to modern Progressives).
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2012 11:52 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Cathy in The Chi at August 25, 2012 11:52 PM (oiTOF)
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. "Fuck you. Operate how we want or get lost."
Actually, the nation's balance sheet really is a case of "fix this or get lost".
If the US is bankrupt, then it has to beg its creditors for enough cash
to pay the army. (Among other social services.) "Then all this - this
bullshit that you think is so important, you can just kiss all that
goodbye."
Actually, the nation's balance sheet really is a case of "fix this or get lost".
If the US is bankrupt, then it has to beg its creditors for enough cash
to pay the army. (Among other social services.) "Then all this - this
bullshit that you think is so important, you can just kiss all that
goodbye."
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 25, 2012 11:52 PM (QTHTd)
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hey, I've been voting for your guys for a couple of decades now in spite of your desire to legislate your version of morality.
how about you people loosening up for once and voting for a libertarian just to keep us square, ok ?
oops, thats right, you can't do that because of your precious morality .... oh well, never mind, right ?
Uh, what? What big time socon has occupied a position of national note? Who have you been voting for? A libertarian? Yeeeaaahhh, you guys are pretty much at the fringes of the reservation.
how about you people loosening up for once and voting for a libertarian just to keep us square, ok ?
oops, thats right, you can't do that because of your precious morality .... oh well, never mind, right ?
Uh, what? What big time socon has occupied a position of national note? Who have you been voting for? A libertarian? Yeeeaaahhh, you guys are pretty much at the fringes of the reservation.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:53 PM (GEICT)
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Rare family name in the US? There are fewer than two dozen people on the entire PLANET with my family name. Even the longer name it was derived from is pretty rare. Every one I've found traces back to the same village near Kiev.
My brother's first wife raised the two kids with her name, she claimed as a favor to her father because he had only daughters and didn't want the name to die out. The only problem with that is the name in question is Dudley. Hardly a label that gives you pause if you come across it in a phone directory.
My brother's first wife raised the two kids with her name, she claimed as a favor to her father because he had only daughters and didn't want the name to die out. The only problem with that is the name in question is Dudley. Hardly a label that gives you pause if you come across it in a phone directory.
Posted by: epobirs at August 25, 2012 11:53 PM (kcfmt)
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Akin should be the kitchen supply officer
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:52 PM (wwsoB)
I wouldn't even trust him to peel potatoes...
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2012 11:52 PM (wwsoB)
I wouldn't even trust him to peel potatoes...
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2012 11:53 PM (sZTYJ)
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With all this silly So-con vs Fis-con stuff, it really makes you with Frank Meyer were still around...
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2012 11:55 PM (sZTYJ)
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If a potato doesn't want to be peeled, it has ways of shutting that whole peeler down.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 25, 2012 11:55 PM (QTHTd)
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My brother's first wife raised the two kids with her name, she claimed as a favor to her father because he had only daughters and didn't want the name to die out. The only problem with that is the name in question is Dudley. Hardly a label that gives you pause if you come across it in a phone directory.
Posted by: epobirs at August 25, 2012 11:53 PM (kcfmt)
I would be calling them "Do-Right" every day on the playground.
Posted by: epobirs at August 25, 2012 11:53 PM (kcfmt)
I would be calling them "Do-Right" every day on the playground.
Posted by: buzzion at August 25, 2012 11:55 PM (GULKT)
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well, that sucks.
I just found out that my former brother-in-blog has fallen victim to Teh Won's hopey / changey economy and is now unemployed.
The Stuttering Clusterfuck of Miserable Failure has got to go.
I just found out that my former brother-in-blog has fallen victim to Teh Won's hopey / changey economy and is now unemployed.
The Stuttering Clusterfuck of Miserable Failure has got to go.
Posted by: AltonJackson, Chairman, The Campaign to De-Elect the President at August 25, 2012 11:56 PM (JMmQ9)
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If the US is bankrupt, then it has to beg its creditors for enough cash to pay the army. (Among other social services.) "Then all this - this bullshit that you think is so important, you can just kiss all that goodbye."
Totally agreed. Financials have to be fixed. I'm as big a ficon as I am a socon. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Totally agreed. Financials have to be fixed. I'm as big a ficon as I am a socon. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:56 PM (GEICT)
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You back people in a corner, how do you expect them to act?
Nobody is backed into a corner. The single issue socons haven't even been working seriously on the most viable plan to accomplish their goal - a constitutional amendment. They got a multitude of completely unexplored avenues to try yet.
Right now, TODAY, they got a choice though. Support the continuation of the republic, or try something else. The whole nation faces this choice, not just socons. We as a nation back off the ledge, or we jump.
The progressives clearly believe "something else" will favor them since they work so diligently towards creating and accelerating the collapse.
Nobody is backed into a corner. The single issue socons haven't even been working seriously on the most viable plan to accomplish their goal - a constitutional amendment. They got a multitude of completely unexplored avenues to try yet.
Right now, TODAY, they got a choice though. Support the continuation of the republic, or try something else. The whole nation faces this choice, not just socons. We as a nation back off the ledge, or we jump.
The progressives clearly believe "something else" will favor them since they work so diligently towards creating and accelerating the collapse.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 25, 2012 11:58 PM (w78gy)
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#283
That would be a very obscure reference for kids in elementary school in the 90s. They think Boris and Natasha are character played in a movie by the George from Seinfeld and the MILF from that movie where Pierce Brosnan played Steve McQueen.
That would be a very obscure reference for kids in elementary school in the 90s. They think Boris and Natasha are character played in a movie by the George from Seinfeld and the MILF from that movie where Pierce Brosnan played Steve McQueen.
Posted by: epobirs at August 25, 2012 11:58 PM (kcfmt)
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"They'd to well to recognize this country is on the edge of an existential cliff."
Please step back and recognize that the good ship Gradualism always
makes those who know its ultimate destination look like wild-eyed loons
to the masses.
[The room's spinning like Axelprod's rap to the ladies at closing time]
Please step back and recognize that the good ship Gradualism always
makes those who know its ultimate destination look like wild-eyed loons
to the masses.
[The room's spinning like Axelprod's rap to the ladies at closing time]
Posted by: derit at August 25, 2012 11:58 PM (ruiF1)
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Stare Decicis - they need to understand their demands are UNDELIVERABLE without a constitutional amendment or a SCOTUS willing to revisit RvW.
But the Supreme Court was willing to revisit RvW in Casey, and would have overturned it had Kennedy not gone wobbly. Remember, that's why so many conservatives were looking at him as the weak link on Obamacare before the real traitor emerged. It seems the R establishment takes turns on these things so that no single one of them has to take all the heat for shafting conservatives.
But the Supreme Court was willing to revisit RvW in Casey, and would have overturned it had Kennedy not gone wobbly. Remember, that's why so many conservatives were looking at him as the weak link on Obamacare before the real traitor emerged. It seems the R establishment takes turns on these things so that no single one of them has to take all the heat for shafting conservatives.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 25, 2012 11:59 PM (nZvGM)
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squirrel boi is goin' down, hurricane or no, it's gonna be fun to watch
Posted by: Peaches at August 25, 2012 11:59 PM (kpCLl)
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What is it with women and wineries. I turn my back for two minutes and leave my wife alone in a winery and I come back in and the lady says to me, " you know I you spend over 100 you get to taste and sample 12 wines. I reply, " how much did she spend". Lady says 120.
Nice.
Best part though was the owners dog who kept following me and then jumped into our car and sat in the back.
I felt special and that made my day. At least I still got the charm, ahem .
Nice.
Best part though was the owners dog who kept following me and then jumped into our car and sat in the back.
I felt special and that made my day. At least I still got the charm, ahem .
Posted by: Journolist at August 25, 2012 11:59 PM (oYccn)
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> Many of us conservatives believe it is none of the
federal government's business to weigh in on abortion. You are never
going to get a federal ban on abortion.. never.. handing it back to the
states is the best you can do.
As a sociocon, I'm fine with that--although it's an issue that doesn't lend itself well to state resolution (at least not in modern times when transportation limits only the less affluent).
As I said previously, I'm pragmatic. What do you do with illegal abortion? Throw women in jail? Throw the doctors who provided the abortions in jail?
No, where you want to win is in the arena of public opinion. You do not want the vision of Margaret Sanger to triumph. (Read her actual writings sometime; the woman would have been at home with the Nazis.) You want abortion to be viewed as a vile thing, akin to murder, an abandonment of hope regarding the entire human race.
But there's little point in locking women up over it.
federal government's business to weigh in on abortion. You are never
going to get a federal ban on abortion.. never.. handing it back to the
states is the best you can do.
As a sociocon, I'm fine with that--although it's an issue that doesn't lend itself well to state resolution (at least not in modern times when transportation limits only the less affluent).
As I said previously, I'm pragmatic. What do you do with illegal abortion? Throw women in jail? Throw the doctors who provided the abortions in jail?
No, where you want to win is in the arena of public opinion. You do not want the vision of Margaret Sanger to triumph. (Read her actual writings sometime; the woman would have been at home with the Nazis.) You want abortion to be viewed as a vile thing, akin to murder, an abandonment of hope regarding the entire human race.
But there's little point in locking women up over it.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 11:59 PM (yxz7s)
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My brother was down here for a visit last week. He lost his job too, but won't admit that Obama is a SCOAMF and still blames Bush.
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 12:00 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:00 AM (kcfmt)
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Jim "Geraldo" Cantore is in Tampa to cover the storm. You know that if the surge floods the convention hall you'll see him whip it out and fap live on camera
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 12:01 AM (wwsoB)
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Also since I am on a roll with nonsense.... Since when does a simple can of Campbell' soup cost 2.20??
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:02 AM (oYccn)
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the good ship Gradualism
There will be no gradualism this time. The currency collapse will see to that. In a society so interdependent as ours, there is never a day where its more than 10 days away from brutal anarchy should services and supply be interrupted.
There will be no gradualism this time. The currency collapse will see to that. In a society so interdependent as ours, there is never a day where its more than 10 days away from brutal anarchy should services and supply be interrupted.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:04 AM (w78gy)
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Another mystery to me is.... Why can I hear my neighbor's jacuzzi??? He must gave that thong turned up to 11venty.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:05 AM (oYccn)
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298 Another mystery to me is.... Why can I hear my neighbor's jacuzzi??? He must gave that thong turned up to 11venty.
Woah, woah, woah. The thong is turned up to 11venty?? I need a jacuzzi like that
Woah, woah, woah. The thong is turned up to 11venty?? I need a jacuzzi like that
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:06 AM (GEICT)
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Purple - my sources tell me we will be lucky to get to April in tact.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:07 AM (oYccn)
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hey, I've been voting for your guys for a couple of decades now in spite of your desire to legislate your version of morality. how about you people loosening up for once and voting for a libertarian just to keep us square, ok ?
You mean like that guy who turned himself blue by consuming silver iodide to prepare for Y2K? Or Ron Paul and his embarrassing newsletters?As bad as socon candidates can be, it's nothing compared to libertartian candidates who tend to focus - not on government spending - but on drug and prostitution legalization. Clean up your own house first.
You mean like that guy who turned himself blue by consuming silver iodide to prepare for Y2K? Or Ron Paul and his embarrassing newsletters?As bad as socon candidates can be, it's nothing compared to libertartian candidates who tend to focus - not on government spending - but on drug and prostitution legalization. Clean up your own house first.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 26, 2012 12:07 AM (nZvGM)
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But there's little point in locking women up over it.
Laws you're unwilling to enforce at gunpoint are basically worthless. People need to understand that. The power of the state, when the rubber meets the road, has always been COERCIVE FORCE.
Laws you're unwilling to enforce at gunpoint are basically worthless. People need to understand that. The power of the state, when the rubber meets the road, has always been COERCIVE FORCE.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:07 AM (w78gy)
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While finding it distasteful, I have no objection to other people choosing to abort their children. If people with a certain mentality don't reproduce the problem pretty much takes care of itself.
All my life I've been hearing people make the excuse that they cannot become parents because the world isn't perfect. The future belongs to those who show up, thus those who produce the future inhabitants of the world effectively get a vote where the childless do not. They get to enjoy perpetual adolescence instead. But they cannot expect others to respect their opinions about where we should be headed. There is a reason why it has been a very long time since a childless person has been a serious presidential candidate.
All my life I've been hearing people make the excuse that they cannot become parents because the world isn't perfect. The future belongs to those who show up, thus those who produce the future inhabitants of the world effectively get a vote where the childless do not. They get to enjoy perpetual adolescence instead. But they cannot expect others to respect their opinions about where we should be headed. There is a reason why it has been a very long time since a childless person has been a serious presidential candidate.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:07 AM (kcfmt)
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Typing on iPhone produces some interesting prose.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:07 AM (oYccn)
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298
Another mystery to me is.... Why can I hear my neighbor's jacuzzi??? He must gave that thong turned up to 11venty.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:05 AM
I think if I turn this thing up to eleventy, the neighbor won't hear me fapping in the tub ...
Another mystery to me is.... Why can I hear my neighbor's jacuzzi??? He must gave that thong turned up to 11venty.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:05 AM
I think if I turn this thing up to eleventy, the neighbor won't hear me fapping in the tub ...
Posted by: Journolist's neighbor at August 26, 2012 12:07 AM (wwsoB)
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Also since I am on a roll with nonsense.... Since when does a simple can of Campbell' soup cost 2.20??
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:02 AM
Journolist, I believe you are mistaken: The Obama Administration has assured us that there is no inflation...
Pay no attention to the one pound box of spaghetti that now weighs only 14 ounces.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:02 AM
Journolist, I believe you are mistaken: The Obama Administration has assured us that there is no inflation...
Pay no attention to the one pound box of spaghetti that now weighs only 14 ounces.
Posted by: AltonJackson, Chairman, The Campaign to De-Elect the President at August 26, 2012 12:08 AM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
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#306
Remember, they said inflation wasn't a problem if you ignore food and fuel. You know, stuff you'll DIE without?
I have to wonder what would be happening to the price of oxygen on an Obama-run Lunar colony.
Remember, they said inflation wasn't a problem if you ignore food and fuel. You know, stuff you'll DIE without?
I have to wonder what would be happening to the price of oxygen on an Obama-run Lunar colony.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:11 AM (kcfmt)
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"It's on the list to get an old Ford truck to fix up"
I, personally, have licked seven old Ford trucks.
I, personally, have licked seven old Ford trucks.
Posted by: Scobface at August 26, 2012 12:11 AM (IoNBC)
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Everybody still stupid?
Just checking!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
Stupid!!!
Just checking!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
Stupid!!!
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:11 AM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: AltonJackson, Chairman, The Campaign to De-Elect the President at August 26, 2012 12:12 AM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:12 AM (GEICT)
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BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:53 PM (GEICT)
hey, I voted for 'em, but that only counts for 1.
where were you voting for libertarians, asswipe?
eff all effing socons.
you're just statists with a different agenda.
hey, I voted for 'em, but that only counts for 1.
where were you voting for libertarians, asswipe?
eff all effing socons.
you're just statists with a different agenda.
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:13 AM (jNNWD)
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epobirs: Yours is a pragmatism too far. If one accepts your premise, it's difficult to argue with your conclusions. Yet I do not subscribe to the belief that the sins of the fathers should be visited quite so violently on their children.
(Although I again argue for the court of public opinion--nay, outrage--to persuade those fathers and mothers, rather than some form of government force.)
(Although I again argue for the court of public opinion--nay, outrage--to persuade those fathers and mothers, rather than some form of government force.)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 12:13 AM (yxz7s)
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313 BCochran1981 at August 25, 2012 11:53 PM (GEICT)
hey, I voted for 'em, but that only counts for 1.
where were you voting for libertarians, asswipe?
eff all effing socons.
you're just statists with a different agenda.
Gotcha. Duly noted.
Bless your heart.
hey, I voted for 'em, but that only counts for 1.
where were you voting for libertarians, asswipe?
eff all effing socons.
you're just statists with a different agenda.
Gotcha. Duly noted.
Bless your heart.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:15 AM (GEICT)
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Alton - bingo.
The packaging is indeed inflation by stealth.
We currently have 106M on the dole and gold is now breaking again over 1,650. While the dollar tanks. And bow more debt monetization.
We surely are in a new economic paradigm where inflation is achieved not by monetary velocity but rather a wholesale debasement of currency masked by efficient stealth in food stamps and currency debasement.
There is no real wealth now. Unless you are in hard assets.
The packaging is indeed inflation by stealth.
We currently have 106M on the dole and gold is now breaking again over 1,650. While the dollar tanks. And bow more debt monetization.
We surely are in a new economic paradigm where inflation is achieved not by monetary velocity but rather a wholesale debasement of currency masked by efficient stealth in food stamps and currency debasement.
There is no real wealth now. Unless you are in hard assets.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:16 AM (7nwJ6)
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I just noticed something in the Mary Clogginstein takes her daughter to work Subaru commercial. The kid looks miserable in the back seat.
But leftist mommy is so proud that she "shares" her work with her little prodigy. Daughter seems to know that her play time is shot in the ass because mommy is too cheap to hire an assistant and a babysitter.
But leftist mommy is so proud that she "shares" her work with her little prodigy. Daughter seems to know that her play time is shot in the ass because mommy is too cheap to hire an assistant and a babysitter.
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 12:16 AM (wwsoB)
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In three weeks Obama quits claiming he is sick.
Nobody believes it, but they don't argue.
Biden quits, too. Claims he's retarded. Slightly different reaction to that.
Pelosi/Huckabee 2012
Nobody believes it, but they don't argue.
Biden quits, too. Claims he's retarded. Slightly different reaction to that.
Pelosi/Huckabee 2012
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:17 AM (Wp4rQ)
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Good, good, just checking.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:17 AM (bxiXv)
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god love ya too, buddy, but piss on my shoes and watch out for yer jaw, eh ?
but seriously, how about we all get behind the same program this one time, just so we can continue the argument without having to look over our shoulders for the DHS drones, ok ?
but seriously, how about we all get behind the same program this one time, just so we can continue the argument without having to look over our shoulders for the DHS drones, ok ?
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:19 AM (jNNWD)
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319 Good, good, just checking.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:17 AM (bxiXv)
It's kinda sad, all the regulars are largely avoiding commenting.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:17 AM (bxiXv)
It's kinda sad, all the regulars are largely avoiding commenting.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:19 AM (GEICT)
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It's kinda sad, all the regulars are largely avoiding commenting.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:19 AM (GEICT)
They suspect a trap.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:19 AM (GEICT)
They suspect a trap.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:20 AM (Wp4rQ)
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320 god love ya too, buddy, but piss on my shoes and watch out for yer jaw, eh ?
but seriously, how about we all get behind the same program this one time, just so we can continue the argument without having to look over our shoulders for the DHS drones, ok ?
Same to ya. Like I said, I'm as hardcore a ficon as I am a socon. Those two are not mutually fucking exclusive. People need to realize that.
but seriously, how about we all get behind the same program this one time, just so we can continue the argument without having to look over our shoulders for the DHS drones, ok ?
Same to ya. Like I said, I'm as hardcore a ficon as I am a socon. Those two are not mutually fucking exclusive. People need to realize that.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:21 AM (GEICT)
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I have to wonder what would be happening to the price of oxygen on an Obama-run Lunar colony.
Oxygen is free. However, ration cards are dispensed by the voting machines.
Oxygen is free. However, ration cards are dispensed by the voting machines.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:21 AM (w78gy)
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chemjeff, did you have a hot date with a Midwest hunny bunny?
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:21 AM (Wp4rQ)
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fair enough.
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:21 AM (jNNWD)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:22 AM (GEICT)
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Here's something else to consider in the ficon/socon debate:
Ficon measures are ultimately and inherently socon, but socon measures are not necessarily ficon.
Consider: rolling back the scope and scale of government (ficon) necessarily reduces government's ability to interfere in matters of conscience (socon) or actively promote social liberal causes. Quite simply, if the government is limited to defending the nation and shoveling the sidewalks in the national parks, then by definition it isn't making schools provide contraceptives. The less the government does, the less it can meddle in matters of morality.
Unfortunately the reverse isn't true: a big and expensive government could easily be very socially conservative. That's what motivates liberals to be so opposed to socons: they want a big government but they don't want it to stop them from putting their dicks wherever they want. They're afraid that letting any conservatives into government will give them the power to legislate where your dick can go.
We should be putting this choice before liberals more than we do. There's a split between social liberals and big-government liberals, but it has been papered over because big-government liberals know that every increase in the scope of government just makes social liberals more and more dependent on them to keep the social conservatives at bay. In effect, social liberals have helped take themselves hostage. We ought to be offering them a way out. Smaller government can reconcile social conservatives and social liberals. (This is one reason big-government liberals are so quick to whip up hysteria about REPUBLICANS STEALING YOUR VAGINA and similar nonsense. They know that if social liberals ever desert them, they won't be able to hold power.)
Ficon measures are ultimately and inherently socon, but socon measures are not necessarily ficon.
Consider: rolling back the scope and scale of government (ficon) necessarily reduces government's ability to interfere in matters of conscience (socon) or actively promote social liberal causes. Quite simply, if the government is limited to defending the nation and shoveling the sidewalks in the national parks, then by definition it isn't making schools provide contraceptives. The less the government does, the less it can meddle in matters of morality.
Unfortunately the reverse isn't true: a big and expensive government could easily be very socially conservative. That's what motivates liberals to be so opposed to socons: they want a big government but they don't want it to stop them from putting their dicks wherever they want. They're afraid that letting any conservatives into government will give them the power to legislate where your dick can go.
We should be putting this choice before liberals more than we do. There's a split between social liberals and big-government liberals, but it has been papered over because big-government liberals know that every increase in the scope of government just makes social liberals more and more dependent on them to keep the social conservatives at bay. In effect, social liberals have helped take themselves hostage. We ought to be offering them a way out. Smaller government can reconcile social conservatives and social liberals. (This is one reason big-government liberals are so quick to whip up hysteria about REPUBLICANS STEALING YOUR VAGINA and similar nonsense. They know that if social liberals ever desert them, they won't be able to hold power.)
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM (llCip)
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Wind just kicked up a notch here in WPB.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM (w78gy)
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It's kinda sad, all the regulars are largely avoiding commenting.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:19 AM
I'm thinking. lol
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:19 AM
I'm thinking. lol
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM (FMbng)
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ain't it the truth, ain't it the truth.
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM (jNNWD)
Posted by: derit at August 26, 2012 12:24 AM (ruiF1)
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Never forget that a constitutional republic where rights are recognized by God as is our Nation is under constant attack by progressives seeking the apex which is complete control of why they view as an earthly dominion as there alpha and omega. Under such a construct, they can and will justify anything and that is why history will repeat itself and does.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:24 AM (r4GuR)
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maybe Valu Rite was on sale
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:25 AM (jNNWD)
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The packaging is indeed inflation by stealth.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:16 AM
And I thought I was the only one who noticed. The ten-pack is now the eight-pack, the aforementioned pound of spaghetti is now fourteen ounces; yet the prices haven't changed.
Posted by: Journolist at August 26, 2012 12:16 AM
And I thought I was the only one who noticed. The ten-pack is now the eight-pack, the aforementioned pound of spaghetti is now fourteen ounces; yet the prices haven't changed.
Posted by: AltonJackson, Chairman, The Campaign to De-Elect the President at August 26, 2012 12:25 AM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 12:26 AM (kaalw)
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No kidding about inflation....when not being a moron, I am a support manager at a Walmart somewhere in New England. Most of my job involves inventory, and one cannot help but notice when one is constantly replacing price tags on shelves with new tags for the identical product sans an ounce or two, e.g. something that used to be 32 ozs is now 30.
Pro tip: For those of you who have not yet figured this out, the house brand is just as good as the name brand-and is often made by the same company, e.g. Morton's salt and the Wal-Mart store brand both come from Morton's.
Pro tip: For those of you who have not yet figured this out, the house brand is just as good as the name brand-and is often made by the same company, e.g. Morton's salt and the Wal-Mart store brand both come from Morton's.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:26 AM (qZXps)
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Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM (llCip)
Yes, it is just as destructive to the Republic to ban abortion at the Federal level as it is to protect it at the Federal level.
Yes, it is just as destructive to the Republic to ban abortion at the Federal level as it is to protect it at the Federal level.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:27 AM (Wp4rQ)
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> rolling back the scope and scale of government (ficon) necessarily
reduces government's ability to interfere in matters of conscience
(socon) or actively promote social liberal causes.
Yep.
reduces government's ability to interfere in matters of conscience
(socon) or actively promote social liberal causes.
Yep.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 12:27 AM (yxz7s)
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Well, I guess I get to see if my roof repairs from a few months ago have really held...
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:27 AM (w78gy)
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Noticed this last month - The chicken wings they'd sell six at a time at BW3? Now it's five, but "they have more meat", they claim.
Yeah, inflation.
Yeah, inflation.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 12:27 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 26, 2012 12:28 AM (8NimM)
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340 Well, I guess I get to see if my roof repairs from a few months ago have really held...
Where you at?
Where you at?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:29 AM (GEICT)
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#314
My belief that it is impossible to stop humans from choosing some things, especially those that occur naturally or rely on very old and well known technology.
Trying to eliminate abortion would be no more effective than attempts to outlaw drugs, alcohol, and guns. The fact is, at any given moment a substantial number of people want them and the products/services aren't hard to produce.
Will some people destroy themselves with these things? They certainly will. But what cost are we willing to inflict on everybody to prevent the self-destruction of a few? Alcoholism soared during the Prohibition era, producing AA by no coincidence. Most Americans had never heard of smoking cannabis when it was suddenly declared a menace. The parts of the nation where one is most likely to be murdered by use of a gun are those that most restrict the access to guns.
It's all been utter futility and trying to control abortion via legislation is no different. It is a battle far more productively waged in the home via parental guidance than it is in any law making body or court room.
I favor small government not just to limit the expensive roles a large government can take on but also to limit the extent to which ineffectual try to foist off their responsibilities on bureaucrats.
My belief that it is impossible to stop humans from choosing some things, especially those that occur naturally or rely on very old and well known technology.
Trying to eliminate abortion would be no more effective than attempts to outlaw drugs, alcohol, and guns. The fact is, at any given moment a substantial number of people want them and the products/services aren't hard to produce.
Will some people destroy themselves with these things? They certainly will. But what cost are we willing to inflict on everybody to prevent the self-destruction of a few? Alcoholism soared during the Prohibition era, producing AA by no coincidence. Most Americans had never heard of smoking cannabis when it was suddenly declared a menace. The parts of the nation where one is most likely to be murdered by use of a gun are those that most restrict the access to guns.
It's all been utter futility and trying to control abortion via legislation is no different. It is a battle far more productively waged in the home via parental guidance than it is in any law making body or court room.
I favor small government not just to limit the expensive roles a large government can take on but also to limit the extent to which ineffectual try to foist off their responsibilities on bureaucrats.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:30 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:30 AM (w78gy)
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340 Well, I guess I get to see if my roof repairs from a few months ago have really held...
Damn convention...
http://youtu.be/tRr4CfJI3ZA
Damn convention...
http://youtu.be/tRr4CfJI3ZA
Posted by: derit at August 26, 2012 12:30 AM (ruiF1)
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I don't think Adkins is being shunned because of his social con views, I think he's being shunned because of his magical uterus nonsense. And the further this went on the more obvious it became that he's barking insane.
I also think that Hannity is supporting him because Hannity hates Mormons. He stayed in the 2007 primary race long enough to deep six Romney's chances then and I think he's trying to sabotage Romney's campaign now.
I also think that Hannity is supporting him because Hannity hates Mormons. He stayed in the 2007 primary race long enough to deep six Romney's chances then and I think he's trying to sabotage Romney's campaign now.
Posted by: rabidfox at August 26, 2012 12:30 AM (Fe+jl)
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:30 AM (kcfmt)
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Posted by: comatus at August 26, 2012 12:31 AM (qaVK+)
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Well, I guess I get to see if my roof repairs from a few months ago have really held...
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:27 AM (w78gy)
I suspect hobo bones and sinew are involved.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:27 AM (w78gy)
I suspect hobo bones and sinew are involved.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:32 AM (Wp4rQ)
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oh fuck man i am LIT UP TONIGHT! Purple Cowboy Tenacious Red wine FTW! Anyway did i ever tell you that making dying things live is exhausting gross and pisses me off at humanity? oh it does. grimmy says i am so angry... so angry...
SOOOOOO.... he set me up with a bottle of red wine and skedaddled for the gym. i drank and now am feeling "more relaxed."
i am pissed at the people who had the bay horse. they knew he wa sick but didnt give him to me till they had to go take the kid to college. if she hadnt had to go hed be dead. as it is i think i might save him but its even money he will be crippled. this makes me upset. how can people love an animal too much to give it up to a person willing to pay the vet, yet unwilling to pay the vet themselves? i asked ...guess what? they are democrats.
SOOOOOO.... he set me up with a bottle of red wine and skedaddled for the gym. i drank and now am feeling "more relaxed."
i am pissed at the people who had the bay horse. they knew he wa sick but didnt give him to me till they had to go take the kid to college. if she hadnt had to go hed be dead. as it is i think i might save him but its even money he will be crippled. this makes me upset. how can people love an animal too much to give it up to a person willing to pay the vet, yet unwilling to pay the vet themselves? i asked ...guess what? they are democrats.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:32 AM (r7Ddb)
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Middle of Palm Beach County on an east/west axis about 10 miles inland from the ocean. Its actually an unincorporated area. Greenacres keeps trying to swallow us but we keep fighting it off.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:32 AM (w78gy)
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He did not *do* anything egregious--as so many have who continued.
I would have liked Akin to get out for pragmatic reasons. But I think non social conservatives can be clueless as well about thinking booting him comes at zero cost.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM (yxz7s)
he did two things:
He shocked all thinking Americans with the (then unheard of ) concept of the magic uterus. That was bad enough and had he disappeared at that point he'd be remembered as some kook
However, once his defenders began to speak out , thinking Americans became aware that the magic uterus is a religious tenet held by a significant number of hard core lifers who believe that if a rape victim got pregnant she lied about it.
This is dogma preached by the Gospel of Wilkie and makes a significant segment of the lifer community-yeah you Huck- toxic and allows the DNC/MSM to tar all conservatives with that belief/
I would have liked Akin to get out for pragmatic reasons. But I think non social conservatives can be clueless as well about thinking booting him comes at zero cost.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2012 10:22 PM (yxz7s)
he did two things:
He shocked all thinking Americans with the (then unheard of ) concept of the magic uterus. That was bad enough and had he disappeared at that point he'd be remembered as some kook
However, once his defenders began to speak out , thinking Americans became aware that the magic uterus is a religious tenet held by a significant number of hard core lifers who believe that if a rape victim got pregnant she lied about it.
This is dogma preached by the Gospel of Wilkie and makes a significant segment of the lifer community-yeah you Huck- toxic and allows the DNC/MSM to tar all conservatives with that belief/
Posted by: Avi at August 26, 2012 12:33 AM (51xVX)
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Pro tip: For those of you who have not yet figured this out, the house brand is just as good as the name brand
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:26 AM (qZXps)
Sometimes that's true, and sometimes Hell No. Sure, salt is easy.
Mayo, cheese, soda, juice, packaged meats, flavoring... are usually worlds apart.
Occasionally the store brand is better, but usually I can't touch the stuff because suppliers vary, and thus they can't control for minor ingredients, and therefore POISON... to us aliens anyway.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:26 AM (qZXps)
Sometimes that's true, and sometimes Hell No. Sure, salt is easy.
Mayo, cheese, soda, juice, packaged meats, flavoring... are usually worlds apart.
Occasionally the store brand is better, but usually I can't touch the stuff because suppliers vary, and thus they can't control for minor ingredients, and therefore POISON... to us aliens anyway.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:33 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: RWC at August 26, 2012 12:34 AM (gwWRQ)
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well, for what it's worth, I'm supporting Akins too.
may not agree with all of his stuff, but better him than McCaskell or whatever it is.
may be a goofy, but he's OUR goofy.
may not agree with all of his stuff, but better him than McCaskell or whatever it is.
may be a goofy, but he's OUR goofy.
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:34 AM (jNNWD)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (8NimM)
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I don't think Adkins is being shunned because of his social con views, I
think he's being shunned because of his magical uterus nonsense.
And because the social-conservatives believed that nonsense up to about mid August this year; it just wasn't brought out to the open.
I don't know if Limbaugh was one of those who believed it himself, but he did hint strongly that this notion was in the air within those circles. http://tinyurl.com/9b49lf4
think he's being shunned because of his magical uterus nonsense.
And because the social-conservatives believed that nonsense up to about mid August this year; it just wasn't brought out to the open.
I don't know if Limbaugh was one of those who believed it himself, but he did hint strongly that this notion was in the air within those circles. http://tinyurl.com/9b49lf4
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: AD at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (wMUiZ)
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321 we are all watching the Sarah palin jumping jack hour
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (5noOE)
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this makes me upset. how can people love an animal too much to give it up to a person willing to pay the vet, yet unwilling to pay the vet themselves? i asked ...guess what? they are democrats.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:32 AM (r7Ddb)
I guess they can be evil and yet still be stupid, like us!
{hugs} and I'm sorry about your hard day and double sorry for the bay... I hope your pessimistic option is wrong and they make a MIRACLE RECOVERY!!!
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:32 AM (r7Ddb)
I guess they can be evil and yet still be stupid, like us!
{hugs} and I'm sorry about your hard day and double sorry for the bay... I hope your pessimistic option is wrong and they make a MIRACLE RECOVERY!!!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (bxiXv)
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Walmart sells a cola in a plain white bottle that's even cheaper than the Sam's Cola. The plainwhite bottle stuff is made by Cott, a well respected bottler. Its drinkable.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (w78gy)
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352 Middle of Palm Beach County on an east/west axis about 10 miles inland from the ocean. Its actually an unincorporated area. Greenacres keeps trying to swallow us but we keep fighting it off.
Nah, your fine.
Nah, your fine.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (GEICT)
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#328 The problem is that many "fiscal conservatives" are so socially liberal that it totally negates whatever inclination to they may have to actually cut government. Oh sure, they are happy to toss G.I. Joe and Jane to the curb once the war is "over," but that's about as far their fiscal conservatism goes.
The fiscally-conservative but socially moderate wing of the GOP didn't exactly stand up and shout "No" every time some bullshit spending bill came to the floor, so you'll have to excuse me if I am just a bit skeptical that it was the socons all by their lonesome that induced the orgy of spending circa 2000-2008.
And that's really the problem with this dump the social conservatism and embrace the fiscal conservatism meme-there are not that many officeholders one can really describe as fiscal conservatives. Who am I supposed to embrace?
The fiscally-conservative but socially moderate wing of the GOP didn't exactly stand up and shout "No" every time some bullshit spending bill came to the floor, so you'll have to excuse me if I am just a bit skeptical that it was the socons all by their lonesome that induced the orgy of spending circa 2000-2008.
And that's really the problem with this dump the social conservatism and embrace the fiscal conservatism meme-there are not that many officeholders one can really describe as fiscal conservatives. Who am I supposed to embrace?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (qZXps)
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may be a goofy, but he's OUR goofy.
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:34 AM (jNNWD)
understood. but explain to my drunken cowgirl self why you dont swap him out for a new, somewhat LESS goofy goof?
(i know thats just crazy talk but play along with me)
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:34 AM (jNNWD)
understood. but explain to my drunken cowgirl self why you dont swap him out for a new, somewhat LESS goofy goof?
(i know thats just crazy talk but play along with me)
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (r7Ddb)
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329
Wind just kicked up a notch here in WPB.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM
I'm over on the other side of the state in Sarasota. Not close enough to water to worry about flooding, but the winds could knock out power. Then it's trying to tweet on a cell phone.
Wind just kicked up a notch here in WPB.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM
I'm over on the other side of the state in Sarasota. Not close enough to water to worry about flooding, but the winds could knock out power. Then it's trying to tweet on a cell phone.
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (wwsoB)
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357. Stay away skank
Posted by: navycopjoe at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (5noOE)
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338
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM (llCip)
Yes, it is just as destructive to the Republic to ban abortion at the Federal level as it is to protect it at the Federal level.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:27 AM (Wp4rQ)
The problem is that Roe v Wade was probably the policy that served the country best at the time....but came from the wrong branch and was a completely shitty opinion to boot. Accordingly, it's left SCOTUS defending crap, the legislative branch railing against the crap they should have handled, and the executive behaving badly against crappy guidance. There is not one branch of government covered in glory from this decision.....and, as eman points out, it begs for a revisitation that will likely end up worse than the original fiasco.
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2012 12:23 AM (llCip)
Yes, it is just as destructive to the Republic to ban abortion at the Federal level as it is to protect it at the Federal level.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:27 AM (Wp4rQ)
The problem is that Roe v Wade was probably the policy that served the country best at the time....but came from the wrong branch and was a completely shitty opinion to boot. Accordingly, it's left SCOTUS defending crap, the legislative branch railing against the crap they should have handled, and the executive behaving badly against crappy guidance. There is not one branch of government covered in glory from this decision.....and, as eman points out, it begs for a revisitation that will likely end up worse than the original fiasco.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 12:38 AM (kaalw)
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#354
The big issue is the stuff from China. Nearly all of the dog and cat deaths were from store brands fulfilled by Chinese companies.
I remain stunned that Kroger and its numerous chains stock a line of Disney branded items that includes Old Yeller dog food. do people take it home and tell the dog, "Think long and hard about that name next time you're tempted to pee in house, you son of a bitch."
The big issue is the stuff from China. Nearly all of the dog and cat deaths were from store brands fulfilled by Chinese companies.
I remain stunned that Kroger and its numerous chains stock a line of Disney branded items that includes Old Yeller dog food. do people take it home and tell the dog, "Think long and hard about that name next time you're tempted to pee in house, you son of a bitch."
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:38 AM (kcfmt)
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I'm figuring on a water event more than anything else. The NE quadrants of these storms are always the wettest.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:38 AM (w78gy)
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 26, 2012 12:39 AM (8NimM)
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I think it's funny that the squirrel picture is from Bigfurhat at IOTW - the one who went effing psycho ballistic on Ace when a third party (at Weaselzippers) was accused of shunning Atlas Shrugged on Jihad issues.
Yet another opportunity for the right to get their cannibal on.
Yet another opportunity for the right to get their cannibal on.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:40 AM (bxiXv)
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A Balrog of Morgoth has a good point - the loudest "fiscal conservatives" up northeast are the likes of Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, and they'll bust a budget as gleefully as any crooked porkmeister from Mississippi.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 12:40 AM (QTHTd)
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um, 'cause we're stuck with him unless he decides to go away ?
"you go to war with the army you have"
"you go to war with the army you have"
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:40 AM (jNNWD)
375
Weather Service keeps nudging the storm track forecast westward. Before it was aimed at Tallahassee, now it's going to Mobile. I REALLY don't want New Orleans to get whacked again, even by a Cat 1.
On the bright side, it looks as if the Republicans won't have to worry about anything worse than some messed-up hair. (MOUSSE THEM!)
On the bright side, it looks as if the Republicans won't have to worry about anything worse than some messed-up hair. (MOUSSE THEM!)
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2012 12:41 AM (llCip)
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I remain stunned that Kroger and its numerous chains stock a line of Disney branded items that includes Old Yeller dog food.
I like the Finding Nemo fishsticks.
I like the Finding Nemo fishsticks.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 26, 2012 12:41 AM (8NimM)
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OK, like drugs and alcohol, we can't prevent those who really want an abortion from getting it.
Should WE be paying for it, and paying to support those who evangelize abortion, i.e. Planned (non)Parenthood.
If the Air Force is supposed to hold a bake sale, the dried up witches who worship at the altar of abortion ought damn well have to do the same.
Should WE be paying for it, and paying to support those who evangelize abortion, i.e. Planned (non)Parenthood.
If the Air Force is supposed to hold a bake sale, the dried up witches who worship at the altar of abortion ought damn well have to do the same.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:41 AM (qZXps)
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{hugs} and I'm sorry about your hard day and double
sorry for the bay... I hope your pessimistic option is wrong and they
make a MIRACLE RECOVERY!!!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (bxiXv)
oih that fucking horse will live. HES UNCLE HORSE GODDAMIT!!! the mommy cats are nursing their kittens in his stall under his watchful nose. he loves his tiny cat farm. that means he has a reason to live. that gives me a fair certainty he will survive.
BUT I HATE STUPID DEFENSELESS CREATURES BEING PUT THROUGH THIS. my friend who asked me about a horse for them is visibly mortified. fuck man. they got a 15 k horse for nearly free you can at least cat the vet for it or let his mommy care for the fucked up foot, as she offered free of charge. they let the 15 year old do it instead.
sorry for the bay... I hope your pessimistic option is wrong and they
make a MIRACLE RECOVERY!!!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (bxiXv)
oih that fucking horse will live. HES UNCLE HORSE GODDAMIT!!! the mommy cats are nursing their kittens in his stall under his watchful nose. he loves his tiny cat farm. that means he has a reason to live. that gives me a fair certainty he will survive.
BUT I HATE STUPID DEFENSELESS CREATURES BEING PUT THROUGH THIS. my friend who asked me about a horse for them is visibly mortified. fuck man. they got a 15 k horse for nearly free you can at least cat the vet for it or let his mommy care for the fucked up foot, as she offered free of charge. they let the 15 year old do it instead.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:42 AM (r7Ddb)
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The big issue is the stuff from China. Nearly all of the dog and cat deaths were from store brands fulfilled by Chinese companies.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:38 AM (kcfmt)
I was mainly talking about flavor, not poison, and the poison thing was about intolerances, which don't depend on people putting industrial floor wax in my food - it could be perfectly healthy for *you* and I pass out, bleed internally, and generally have a couple of shitty days.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:38 AM (kcfmt)
I was mainly talking about flavor, not poison, and the poison thing was about intolerances, which don't depend on people putting industrial floor wax in my food - it could be perfectly healthy for *you* and I pass out, bleed internally, and generally have a couple of shitty days.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:42 AM (bxiXv)
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374 um, 'cause we're stuck with him unless he decides to go away ? "you go to war with the army you have"
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:40 AM (jNNWD)
And what do you do when the incompetent lieutenant that should be getting brought up on courtmartial charges yells. "FOLLOW ME BOYS!!!" And starts running at the enemy?
374 um, 'cause we're stuck with him unless he decides to go away ? "you go to war with the army you have"
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:40 AM (jNNWD)
And what do you do when the incompetent lieutenant that should be getting brought up on courtmartial charges yells. "FOLLOW ME BOYS!!!" And starts running at the enemy?
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2012 12:42 AM (GULKT)
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If the Air Force is supposed to hold a bake sale, the dried up witches who worship at the altar of abortion ought damn well have to do the same.
yes
yes
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:43 AM (jNNWD)
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#358
There was another politician who raised the same belief about a decade ago but it wasn't someone prominent to me and I've completely forgotten the name. It pretty much ended his career but it wasn't an election year IIRC, so the story died pretty fast.
It comes up from somewhere every few years and each time I wonder if this person is aware of why Jews trace ancestry primarily through the mothers.
There was another politician who raised the same belief about a decade ago but it wasn't someone prominent to me and I've completely forgotten the name. It pretty much ended his career but it wasn't an election year IIRC, so the story died pretty fast.
It comes up from somewhere every few years and each time I wonder if this person is aware of why Jews trace ancestry primarily through the mothers.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:43 AM (kcfmt)
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The eye's not showing as going over Cuba anymore...so its not going to scrub off any energy there. It could spin up quick by the time it hits the keys.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:43 AM (w78gy)
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BUT I HATE STUPID DEFENSELESS CREATURES BEING PUT THROUGH THIS.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:42 AM (r7Ddb)
Word.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:42 AM (r7Ddb)
Word.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:43 AM (bxiXv)
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337
No kidding about inflation....when not being a moron, I am a support
manager at a Walmart somewhere in New England. Most of my job involves
inventory, and one cannot help but notice when one is constantly
replacing price tags on shelves with new tags for the identical product
sans an ounce or two, e.g. something that used to be 32 ozs is now 30.
Pro tip: For those of you who have not yet figured this out, the
house brand is just as good as the name brand-and is often made by the
same company, e.g. Morton's salt and the Wal-Mart store brand both come
from Morton's.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:26 AM (qZXps)
Do you mean that my antiperspirant going from 3oz to 2.8oz isn't a way for the shipper to be more green?.
No kidding about inflation....when not being a moron, I am a support
manager at a Walmart somewhere in New England. Most of my job involves
inventory, and one cannot help but notice when one is constantly
replacing price tags on shelves with new tags for the identical product
sans an ounce or two, e.g. something that used to be 32 ozs is now 30.
Pro tip: For those of you who have not yet figured this out, the
house brand is just as good as the name brand-and is often made by the
same company, e.g. Morton's salt and the Wal-Mart store brand both come
from Morton's.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:26 AM (qZXps)
Do you mean that my antiperspirant going from 3oz to 2.8oz isn't a way for the shipper to be more green?.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 12:44 AM (1grxW)
Posted by: Little Cesar at August 26, 2012 12:44 AM (HNn1q)
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And what do you do when the incompetent lieutenant that should be
getting brought up on courtmartial charges yells. "FOLLOW ME BOYS!!!"
And starts running at the enemy?
Let him. That problem resolves itself.
getting brought up on courtmartial charges yells. "FOLLOW ME BOYS!!!"
And starts running at the enemy?
Let him. That problem resolves itself.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:45 AM (w78gy)
388
let him run, and give him fire support from your hole ?
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:45 AM (jNNWD)
389
I was thinking about logging in briefly yesterday to ask if anyone else had noticed the influx of new usernames and hashes stirring up shit, but people have too much fun fighting to actually even plan not to mention do anything useful.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:45 AM (bxiXv)
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Abortion needs to become a statutory right controlled by each State as that State sees fit.
Then Americans can exercise their rights to move toward it, away from it, install it, get rid of it, or many things in between.
As it is now, no matter where you go, it goes with you.
Then Americans can exercise their rights to move toward it, away from it, install it, get rid of it, or many things in between.
As it is now, no matter where you go, it goes with you.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:46 AM (Wp4rQ)
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388 let him run, and give him fire support from your hole ?
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:45 AM (jNNWD)
And give away your own position. Yep, you're an idiot who has just allowed the incompetent to get you killed.
388 let him run, and give him fire support from your hole ?
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:45 AM (jNNWD)
And give away your own position. Yep, you're an idiot who has just allowed the incompetent to get you killed.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2012 12:47 AM (GULKT)
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i am pissed at the people who had the bay horse.
they knew he wa sick but didnt give him to me till they had to go take
the kid to college. if she hadnt had to go hed be dead. as it is i think
i might save him but its even money he will be crippled. this makes me
upset. how can people love an animal too much to give it up to a person
willing to pay the vet, yet unwilling to pay the vet themselves? i asked
...guess what? they are democrats.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:32 AM (r7Ddb)
I'm so sorry you had to deal with those sorry excuses for humanity. I hope the horse rallies and, like his kitties, has nine lives.
On a happier note, are we on for Saturday or Sunday? We can meet at the flagpole -- I'll be wearing my latest Cthulhu shirt (http://shirt.woot.com/offers/call-of-cthulhu), and I'll be accompanied by my far-more-attractive BH. I'd love to see BBD and/or Grim and/or other SoCal morons....but I need to know the day.
they knew he wa sick but didnt give him to me till they had to go take
the kid to college. if she hadnt had to go hed be dead. as it is i think
i might save him but its even money he will be crippled. this makes me
upset. how can people love an animal too much to give it up to a person
willing to pay the vet, yet unwilling to pay the vet themselves? i asked
...guess what? they are democrats.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:32 AM (r7Ddb)
I'm so sorry you had to deal with those sorry excuses for humanity. I hope the horse rallies and, like his kitties, has nine lives.
On a happier note, are we on for Saturday or Sunday? We can meet at the flagpole -- I'll be wearing my latest Cthulhu shirt (http://shirt.woot.com/offers/call-of-cthulhu), and I'll be accompanied by my far-more-attractive BH. I'd love to see BBD and/or Grim and/or other SoCal morons....but I need to know the day.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 12:47 AM (kaalw)
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And whatever one thinks of Linda McMahon, she did kick that squishy apologetically "Republican" P.O.S. Chris Shay's ass up around his shoulders in the primary.
So, she's got that going for her.
Gawd, but if there is one thing that gets my back up, its "Oh-me-so-sorry-I-am-a-Republican" handwringing Republicans.
Well, that and those boiler room "Republican Pro-Choice Majority" scrunts who disappeared off the face of the Earth after the 2004 election.
So, she's got that going for her.
Gawd, but if there is one thing that gets my back up, its "Oh-me-so-sorry-I-am-a-Republican" handwringing Republicans.
Well, that and those boiler room "Republican Pro-Choice Majority" scrunts who disappeared off the face of the Earth after the 2004 election.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:47 AM (qZXps)
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epobirs: That's the premise of all law, however: that some segment of humanity will choose some behavior, no matter how egregious to the rest of society.
If you think a fetus is without personhood, then it's easy enough to agree with you. But you will have to persuade pro-lifers to that position before you will prove your overall case. Otherwise, your argument is no different than saying people will steal no matter how many laws we pass against it.
> He shocked all thinking Americans with the (then unheard of ) concept of the magic uterus.
Well, it's not totally without merit (the magic uterus). I linked elsewhere to a scientific study (by a woman and tangent to the abortion debate) about how womanly parts actually do select for fertilization, with one criterion being the same man fertilizing her for more than three months, but yes, this is IMO the worst of what he said. Also, he went off track as far as defending the pro life position for rape and incest because he implies that pro life people believe it's based on "fault" of the mother--rather than life begins at conception.
That's why I agree his remarks were stupid. Having a stupid opinion, though, is not an immediate disqualification for office and is not necessarily comparable to *acts*. For example, I would prefer someone with Akins' relatively harmless opinion in office to someone who sends guns to Mexican drug kingpins.
If you think a fetus is without personhood, then it's easy enough to agree with you. But you will have to persuade pro-lifers to that position before you will prove your overall case. Otherwise, your argument is no different than saying people will steal no matter how many laws we pass against it.
> He shocked all thinking Americans with the (then unheard of ) concept of the magic uterus.
Well, it's not totally without merit (the magic uterus). I linked elsewhere to a scientific study (by a woman and tangent to the abortion debate) about how womanly parts actually do select for fertilization, with one criterion being the same man fertilizing her for more than three months, but yes, this is IMO the worst of what he said. Also, he went off track as far as defending the pro life position for rape and incest because he implies that pro life people believe it's based on "fault" of the mother--rather than life begins at conception.
That's why I agree his remarks were stupid. Having a stupid opinion, though, is not an immediate disqualification for office and is not necessarily comparable to *acts*. For example, I would prefer someone with Akins' relatively harmless opinion in office to someone who sends guns to Mexican drug kingpins.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 12:48 AM (yxz7s)
Posted by: RWC at August 26, 2012 12:48 AM (gwWRQ)
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More green is the plastic bags that are so thin the cashier has to double bag everything but a bag of chips.
More green is the rolls of TP in the store's bathroom that are so narrow you gotta rip off about six feet worth of paper to make a slinky like spiral so you don't get a stink finger.
More green is the rolls of TP in the store's bathroom that are so narrow you gotta rip off about six feet worth of paper to make a slinky like spiral so you don't get a stink finger.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 12:48 AM (w78gy)
397
381
If the Air Force is supposed to hold a bake sale, the dried up witches
who worship at the altar of abortion ought damn well have to do the
same.
yes
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:43 AM (jNNWD)
that if fucking AWESOME. you mean... KILL YOUR BABY ON YOUR OWN DAMN DIME?i still wish that they would streamline adoption for families that qualify. that way they wouldnt go to russia, africa, China and South america to get babies. Well maybe china... if we dont take em they just strap em to a chair and let em starve. the other places have orphanages and nuns.
If the Air Force is supposed to hold a bake sale, the dried up witches
who worship at the altar of abortion ought damn well have to do the
same.
yes
Posted by: Emmanuel Respighi at August 26, 2012 12:43 AM (jNNWD)
that if fucking AWESOME. you mean... KILL YOUR BABY ON YOUR OWN DAMN DIME?i still wish that they would streamline adoption for families that qualify. that way they wouldnt go to russia, africa, China and South america to get babies. Well maybe china... if we dont take em they just strap em to a chair and let em starve. the other places have orphanages and nuns.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:49 AM (r7Ddb)
398
389
I was thinking about logging in briefly yesterday to ask if anyone else
had noticed the influx of new usernames and hashes stirring up shit, but
people have too much fun fighting to actually even plan not to mention
do anything useful.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:45 AM (bxiXv)
---We should know not to feed the trolls, but sometimes the music starts playing and you just *have* to do the dirty boogie.
I was thinking about logging in briefly yesterday to ask if anyone else
had noticed the influx of new usernames and hashes stirring up shit, but
people have too much fun fighting to actually even plan not to mention
do anything useful.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:45 AM (bxiXv)
---We should know not to feed the trolls, but sometimes the music starts playing and you just *have* to do the dirty boogie.
Posted by: Hagbard Celine at August 26, 2012 12:49 AM (+/VIS)
399
Michelle knows where his nuts are stored. In one of her designer handbags no doubt.
Posted by: nutz to you at August 26, 2012 12:49 AM (YQHqe)
400
I'm so sorry you had to deal with those sorry
excuses for humanity. I hope the horse rallies and, like his kitties,
has nine lives.
On a happier note, are we on for Saturday or
Sunday? We can meet at the flagpole -- I'll be wearing my latest Cthulhu
shirt (http://shirt.woot.com/offers/call-of-cthulhu), and I'll be
accompanied by my far-more-attractive BH. I'd love to see BBD and/or
Grim and/or other SoCal morons....but I need to know the day.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 12:47 AM (kaalw)
either day is good for me. are you a member of the Yahoogroup? you can contact me thru that.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with those sorry
excuses for humanity. I hope the horse rallies and, like his kitties,
has nine lives.
On a happier note, are we on for Saturday or
Sunday? We can meet at the flagpole -- I'll be wearing my latest Cthulhu
shirt (http://shirt.woot.com/offers/call-of-cthulhu), and I'll be
accompanied by my far-more-attractive BH. I'd love to see BBD and/or
Grim and/or other SoCal morons....but I need to know the day.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 12:47 AM (kaalw)
either day is good for me. are you a member of the Yahoogroup? you can contact me thru that.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 12:50 AM (r7Ddb)
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I don't think using an IP address for account security in lieu of a password is going to work. I have three devices on my network, which all have the same external IP address. Plus, as we have seen here on the HQ, IP addresses can change, especially if you are using a mobile device or laptop. You would have to use the MAC address, or some similar hardwired into the machine code.
Posted by: Fox 2! at August 26, 2012 12:51 AM (RJOgX)
402
Hey, I'm kind of squirrely too!
Posted by: Tod Achin' at August 26, 2012 12:51 AM (YQHqe)
403
---We should know not to feed the trolls, but sometimes the music starts playing and you just *have* to do the dirty boogie.
Posted by: Hagbard Celine at August 26, 2012 12:49 AM (+/VIS)
And if you are going to feed the trolls, give them some damned Chinese pet food from the Dollar Store, don't chop off your own dick and give it to them.
Posted by: Hagbard Celine at August 26, 2012 12:49 AM (+/VIS)
And if you are going to feed the trolls, give them some damned Chinese pet food from the Dollar Store, don't chop off your own dick and give it to them.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:51 AM (bxiXv)
404
#381
Indeed. Getting laid is not a protected right. If you choose it nobody else is obligated to pick up the tab for avoided the side effects, either in preventative of post hoc form.
Every time I hear somebody go on about the need for the government to spend a mountain of cash on stopping AIDS, I always reply (even if it's at a TV or radio) "We already know how to stop AIDS. Don't have sex with strangers or anyone unwilling to prove they aren't infected. It's really that simple."
I'm not against research into communicable diseases in a general sense. Learning more about a trick item like AIDS is likely to have crossover benefits into other medical areas of value. But tax payer funded promiscuity? No, you're on your own there.
Indeed. Getting laid is not a protected right. If you choose it nobody else is obligated to pick up the tab for avoided the side effects, either in preventative of post hoc form.
Every time I hear somebody go on about the need for the government to spend a mountain of cash on stopping AIDS, I always reply (even if it's at a TV or radio) "We already know how to stop AIDS. Don't have sex with strangers or anyone unwilling to prove they aren't infected. It's really that simple."
I'm not against research into communicable diseases in a general sense. Learning more about a trick item like AIDS is likely to have crossover benefits into other medical areas of value. But tax payer funded promiscuity? No, you're on your own there.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:52 AM (kcfmt)
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You SoCal Morons have it too easy. There are enough peeps down there to have meetups.
It's like a Moron Desert up North.
It's like a Moron Desert up North.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:52 AM (bxiXv)
406
The problem is that Roe v Wade was probably the
policy that served the country best at the time....but came from the
wrong branch and was a completely shitty opinion to boot. Accordingly,
it's left SCOTUS defending crap, the legislative branch railing against
the crap they should have handled, and the executive behaving badly
against crappy guidance. There is not one branch of government covered
in glory from this decision.....and, as eman points out, it begs for a
revisitation that will likely end up worse than the original fiasco.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 12:38 AM (kaalw)
I have to strongly disagree. Roe was not the best policy, regardless of where it came from. States had control over abortion and that's how it should have stayed. There were states that would never make abortion illegal and they were never more than a bus ride away for anyone who thought their life depended on getting an abortion.
Further, Roe was beyond a plain shitty opinion. It was a total joke. It was a mockery of law and Constitutionality. It wasn't the only one, but it was one of the worst offenses (though it isn't even in the same universe as the trash that Benedickhead Roberts just penned, which should get his ass thrown off the Court and onto a park bench - no joke) and led to instability in the system that has percolated ever since. It made the whole notion of Constitutionality a quaint joke since it was based on irrational foundations and had such tenuous connections to anything in the Constitution that it freed the SCOTUS to really fly free when it was supposed to be constrained, as that is what a Constitutional Republic is all about, as I know you are well aware. Roe stands as one of the worst SCOTUS decisions ever and still needs to be overturned, especially as the circumstances have changed so much that pretty much no woman gets pregnant who doesn't want to unless she is the most irresponsible, biggest idiot in the world or ... gets raped, and even in the rape case women get RU-468 anyway.
I will not entertain any defense of Roe just as I will not entertain any of the defenses of affirmative action, as Instapundit tried to make some sense out of as I was reading his dissection of the Benedickhead Roberts opinion (which really dosn't even rate the work of a serious paper since it is so obviously such a total piece of shit, stupid, asinine, un-American, ILLEGAL decision as to make anyone's jaw drop who has more than two working brain cells).
I find the whole Akin thing outrageous because, after all, he was dicussing things that aren't even up for debate in the current system, anyway. Roe has to be overturned, first, and we all know that the chances of that are pretty remote (because America lost its mind some time ago, really). Without that, Akin's ideas are moot ... and yet people threw a total shit-fit over his attempt at PC dancing around his views and they took to Socons (which I am not, BTW, though I think that most here think I am because I defend Akin in this circumstance) and look to tear away from a huge part of the base. Great.
But I cannot agree that Roe - or the policy it made - was good in any way. It would have been better to leave the determination fo the beginning of life in the same place where the determination of the end of life is made, with the states, and then handle the inter-state problems that would have occurred.
The problem is that Roe v Wade was probably the
policy that served the country best at the time....but came from the
wrong branch and was a completely shitty opinion to boot. Accordingly,
it's left SCOTUS defending crap, the legislative branch railing against
the crap they should have handled, and the executive behaving badly
against crappy guidance. There is not one branch of government covered
in glory from this decision.....and, as eman points out, it begs for a
revisitation that will likely end up worse than the original fiasco.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 12:38 AM (kaalw)
I have to strongly disagree. Roe was not the best policy, regardless of where it came from. States had control over abortion and that's how it should have stayed. There were states that would never make abortion illegal and they were never more than a bus ride away for anyone who thought their life depended on getting an abortion.
Further, Roe was beyond a plain shitty opinion. It was a total joke. It was a mockery of law and Constitutionality. It wasn't the only one, but it was one of the worst offenses (though it isn't even in the same universe as the trash that Benedickhead Roberts just penned, which should get his ass thrown off the Court and onto a park bench - no joke) and led to instability in the system that has percolated ever since. It made the whole notion of Constitutionality a quaint joke since it was based on irrational foundations and had such tenuous connections to anything in the Constitution that it freed the SCOTUS to really fly free when it was supposed to be constrained, as that is what a Constitutional Republic is all about, as I know you are well aware. Roe stands as one of the worst SCOTUS decisions ever and still needs to be overturned, especially as the circumstances have changed so much that pretty much no woman gets pregnant who doesn't want to unless she is the most irresponsible, biggest idiot in the world or ... gets raped, and even in the rape case women get RU-468 anyway.
I will not entertain any defense of Roe just as I will not entertain any of the defenses of affirmative action, as Instapundit tried to make some sense out of as I was reading his dissection of the Benedickhead Roberts opinion (which really dosn't even rate the work of a serious paper since it is so obviously such a total piece of shit, stupid, asinine, un-American, ILLEGAL decision as to make anyone's jaw drop who has more than two working brain cells).
I find the whole Akin thing outrageous because, after all, he was dicussing things that aren't even up for debate in the current system, anyway. Roe has to be overturned, first, and we all know that the chances of that are pretty remote (because America lost its mind some time ago, really). Without that, Akin's ideas are moot ... and yet people threw a total shit-fit over his attempt at PC dancing around his views and they took to Socons (which I am not, BTW, though I think that most here think I am because I defend Akin in this circumstance) and look to tear away from a huge part of the base. Great.
But I cannot agree that Roe - or the policy it made - was good in any way. It would have been better to leave the determination fo the beginning of life in the same place where the determination of the end of life is made, with the states, and then handle the inter-state problems that would have occurred.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 12:52 AM (X3lox)
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Abortion is another issue where technology is going to make changes faster than the law.
Consider: chemical abortifacents will get better. We can't stop umpty kajillion tons of marijuana and cocaine from crossing the border, how can we expect to stop pills legal in the country of origin from getting in?
Conversely, we see more very early term infants surviving. (I know someone whose daughter was born at 26 weeks and is now ready for school!) Plus every kid's baby book now includes an ultrasound of little Mackenzie as a tiny fetus.
My intuition is that late term abortion will be banned, and the definition of "late term" will get earlier and earlier. But from the other direction, morning-after pills will be legal and the definition of "morning after" will get later and later. I'm guessing the meeting place will be somewhere about 20 weeks (maybe earlier).
Consider: chemical abortifacents will get better. We can't stop umpty kajillion tons of marijuana and cocaine from crossing the border, how can we expect to stop pills legal in the country of origin from getting in?
Conversely, we see more very early term infants surviving. (I know someone whose daughter was born at 26 weeks and is now ready for school!) Plus every kid's baby book now includes an ultrasound of little Mackenzie as a tiny fetus.
My intuition is that late term abortion will be banned, and the definition of "late term" will get earlier and earlier. But from the other direction, morning-after pills will be legal and the definition of "morning after" will get later and later. I'm guessing the meeting place will be somewhere about 20 weeks (maybe earlier).
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2012 12:54 AM (llCip)
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389 I was thinking about logging in briefly yesterday to ask if anyone else had noticed the influx of new usernames and hashes stirring up shit, but people have too much fun fighting to actually even plan not to mention do anything useful.
Thinking the same damn thing. Want to ask "who the hell are you??" There are a few new names/nics that are completely carpet bombing the site...
Thinking the same damn thing. Want to ask "who the hell are you??" There are a few new names/nics that are completely carpet bombing the site...
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:54 AM (GEICT)
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Goodnight, all -- or good morning, rather.
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2012 12:56 AM (llCip)
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Plus every kid's baby book now includes an ultrasound of little Mackenzie as a tiny fetus.
I suppose in the next generation we're going to see clips of mom and dad's amateur pr0n in the baby book.
"In the end, there will be only chaos."
I suppose in the next generation we're going to see clips of mom and dad's amateur pr0n in the baby book.
"In the end, there will be only chaos."
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 12:56 AM (QTHTd)
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Thinking the same damn thing. Want to ask "who the hell are you??" There are a few new names/nics that are completely carpet bombing the site...
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:54 AM (GEICT)
Meh, the craigslist ads are usually only for two weeks.
Have a fuckin' plan, people, or you are just part of someone else's plan. There's no planning going on, at least on the part of the poor naifs caught in the PR storm.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:54 AM (GEICT)
Meh, the craigslist ads are usually only for two weeks.
Have a fuckin' plan, people, or you are just part of someone else's plan. There's no planning going on, at least on the part of the poor naifs caught in the PR storm.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:57 AM (bxiXv)
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Yeah, everything is coming in smaller packages, coffee, chips, tea, sugar, flour, you name it.
But, at least it costs more to buy it!
But, at least it costs more to buy it!
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 01:00 AM (PIgwN)
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Have a fuckin' plan, people, or you are just part of someone else's plan.
"If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker."
"If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker."
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 01:01 AM (GEICT)
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Wind looks completely from the east so far based on the waves in the lake.
NOAA says this thing is honking along at 17mph, which is too fast for it to spin up into anything serious until it gets into the gulf.
NOAA says this thing is honking along at 17mph, which is too fast for it to spin up into anything serious until it gets into the gulf.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:01 AM (w78gy)
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Hey , shouldn't the magic uterus protect prostitutes from getting pregnant?
they only fake orgasm, and their job is stressful.
they only fake orgasm, and their job is stressful.
Posted by: avi at August 26, 2012 01:01 AM (51xVX)
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Meh, the craigslist ads are usually only for two weeks.
Have a fuckin' plan, people, or you are just part of someone else's
plan. There's no planning going on, at least on the part of the poor
naifs caught in the PR storm.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:57 AM (bxiXv)
or come on down to so cal and have a meetup. Bebe and i got together with grim and my formerly communist friend who is gonna vote for Romney, the other night, you would have had fun. our dinner discussion was a hoot. Formr communist was proudly telling bebe the story of how he decided to retire early and "Go Galt." seems he would make more on 40% of current income as retiree, than working under Obamatax.
Have a fuckin' plan, people, or you are just part of someone else's
plan. There's no planning going on, at least on the part of the poor
naifs caught in the PR storm.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:57 AM (bxiXv)
or come on down to so cal and have a meetup. Bebe and i got together with grim and my formerly communist friend who is gonna vote for Romney, the other night, you would have had fun. our dinner discussion was a hoot. Formr communist was proudly telling bebe the story of how he decided to retire early and "Go Galt." seems he would make more on 40% of current income as retiree, than working under Obamatax.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:02 AM (r7Ddb)
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Trimegistus: Sure. Hence my argument for social opprobrium. A great segment of society is influenced in their morality by what is illegal versus what is legal. So as impractical as it may seem, I like the government weighing in on things which it may not necessarily have the capacity to enforce. (See the speed limit, which is a compromise between what people want to drive and the technical limits imposed by government. None of us expects to be pulled over for going five miles over the speed limit, but were it to be raised, we would continue to expect that same "forgiveness" buffer.)
Making abortion illegal, whether or not abortions are prosecutable crimes, naturally deters its occurrence more than if it were legal. In contrast, unfettering abortion means it is not only legally acceptable but socially as well.
Making abortion illegal, whether or not abortions are prosecutable crimes, naturally deters its occurrence more than if it were legal. In contrast, unfettering abortion means it is not only legally acceptable but socially as well.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 01:03 AM (yxz7s)
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seems he would make more on 40% of current income as retiree, than working under Obamatax.
Unpatriotic shit. Joe Biden says paying more taxes is patriotic.
Unpatriotic shit. Joe Biden says paying more taxes is patriotic.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:03 AM (w78gy)
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Thinking the same damn thing. Want to ask "who the hell are you??" There
are a few new names/nics that are completely carpet bombing the site...
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I would like to consider my own activities more like when a dog flattens his rear legs and drags his nads all over the freshly cleaned carpet.
are a few new names/nics that are completely carpet bombing the site...
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I would like to consider my own activities more like when a dog flattens his rear legs and drags his nads all over the freshly cleaned carpet.
Posted by: Hagbard Celine at August 26, 2012 01:04 AM (+/VIS)
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But, at least it costs more to buy it!
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 01:00 AM (PIgwN)
You have to scrounge like a hobo these days. If you happen to have a job, be on the lookout for catered lunch meetings. Raid the leftovers before the food crew can get there to haul it all away.
But, at least it costs more to buy it!
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 01:00 AM (PIgwN)
You have to scrounge like a hobo these days. If you happen to have a job, be on the lookout for catered lunch meetings. Raid the leftovers before the food crew can get there to haul it all away.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 01:05 AM (Wp4rQ)
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I would like to consider my own activities more like when a dog flattens his rear legs and drags his nads all over the freshly cleaned carpet.
Thanks for that image.
Thanks for that image.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 01:05 AM (GEICT)
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> Have a fuckin' plan, people, or you are just part of someone else's plan.
William Blake: "I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's."
William Blake: "I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's."
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 01:06 AM (yxz7s)
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Good evening again.
Question, has anyone ever seen a dog get full? Like to the point where the doggeh just stops and has that look that says, "No more, I iz done."
Now I've seen sick dogs lose their appetite but that doesn't count.
Pretty sure some kind of black hole sits in the center of a dog's stomach.
Question, has anyone ever seen a dog get full? Like to the point where the doggeh just stops and has that look that says, "No more, I iz done."
Now I've seen sick dogs lose their appetite but that doesn't count.
Pretty sure some kind of black hole sits in the center of a dog's stomach.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:06 AM (4ixH5)
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408
389 I was thinking about logging in briefly yesterday to ask if
anyone else had noticed the influx of new usernames and hashes stirring
up shit, but people have too much fun fighting to actually even plan not
to mention do anything useful.
Thinking the same damn thing. Want to ask "who the hell are you??"
There are a few new names/nics that are completely carpet bombing the
site...
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:54 AM (GEICT)
We always get a bunch of new ones around Labor Day of an election year. IIRC, the "concern trolls" started rolling in about this time 4 years ago.
389 I was thinking about logging in briefly yesterday to ask if
anyone else had noticed the influx of new usernames and hashes stirring
up shit, but people have too much fun fighting to actually even plan not
to mention do anything useful.
Thinking the same damn thing. Want to ask "who the hell are you??"
There are a few new names/nics that are completely carpet bombing the
site...
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:54 AM (GEICT)
We always get a bunch of new ones around Labor Day of an election year. IIRC, the "concern trolls" started rolling in about this time 4 years ago.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 01:07 AM (1grxW)
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or come on down to so cal and have a meetup. Bebe and i got together with grim and my formerly communist friend who is gonna vote for Romney, the other night, you would have had fun.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:02 AM (r7Ddb)
Would have been a hoot. But not in my personal economy.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:02 AM (r7Ddb)
Would have been a hoot. But not in my personal economy.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 01:08 AM (bxiXv)
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Dogs never stop eating, and they have a very short intestinal tract (relative to primates, incl. us), so they like to eat a lot.
And most never tire of fetching the tennis ball.
And most never tire of fetching the tennis ball.
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 01:09 AM (PIgwN)
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139
Good evening.
Chimera kitteh is named Venus?
Should have been named Harvey.
Like Harvey Dent. Two Face, from Batman.
Posted by: Robert
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I was thinking Janus -- the Roman god of transitions who had 2 faces -- one looking at the past, one at the future (to stay within the Roman god theme they went with).
Good evening.
Chimera kitteh is named Venus?
Should have been named Harvey.
Like Harvey Dent. Two Face, from Batman.
Posted by: Robert
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I was thinking Janus -- the Roman god of transitions who had 2 faces -- one looking at the past, one at the future (to stay within the Roman god theme they went with).
Posted by: angienc at August 26, 2012 01:09 AM (w3JGl)
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And most never tire of fetching the tennis ball.
I repost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk
I repost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 26, 2012 01:11 AM (8NimM)
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423
Good evening again.
Question, has anyone ever seen a dog get full? Like to the point
where the doggeh just stops and has that look that says, "No more, I iz
done."
Now I've seen sick dogs lose their appetite but that doesn't count.
Pretty sure some kind of black hole sits in the center of a dog's stomach.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:06 AM (4ixH5)
I think my golden only gets full after she eats all the deer shit all over the yard and field next to the house.
Good evening again.
Question, has anyone ever seen a dog get full? Like to the point
where the doggeh just stops and has that look that says, "No more, I iz
done."
Now I've seen sick dogs lose their appetite but that doesn't count.
Pretty sure some kind of black hole sits in the center of a dog's stomach.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:06 AM (4ixH5)
I think my golden only gets full after she eats all the deer shit all over the yard and field next to the house.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 01:11 AM (1grxW)
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"i still wish that they would streamline adoption for families that qualify. that way they wouldnt go to russia, africa, China and South america to get babies."
Yep. I can't be the only one who finds it insane that thousands of desperate couples fly to the ends of the earth to adopt while millions of "unwanted" babies are aborted here. They're not wanted by their biological mother. That doesn't mean other people wouldn't want them. It's almost as insane as the fact that I work in a hospital where physicians and nurses work tirelessly to save 1 pound premies - "the wanted ones" and a few blocks away, the unwanted ones are turned into medical waste.
Yep. I can't be the only one who finds it insane that thousands of desperate couples fly to the ends of the earth to adopt while millions of "unwanted" babies are aborted here. They're not wanted by their biological mother. That doesn't mean other people wouldn't want them. It's almost as insane as the fact that I work in a hospital where physicians and nurses work tirelessly to save 1 pound premies - "the wanted ones" and a few blocks away, the unwanted ones are turned into medical waste.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 01:12 AM (EflcN)
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Good evening again.
Question, has anyone ever seen a dog get full? Like to the point where the doggeh just stops and has that look that says, "No more, I iz done."
Now I've seen sick dogs lose their appetite but that doesn't count.
Pretty sure some kind of black hole sits in the center of a dog's stomach.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:06 AM (4ixH5)
I have, twice. Both dobermans. One ate about twenty donuts and crawled into the bushes to digest them overnight. Dog looked like a python that just ate a pig. He skipped his dinner that night.
Second time was a mixed result. the dog wouldn't stop trying to eat the food I was giving him, but he was too full to swallow any more of it. So he just chewed it and let it fall out of his mouth. It only ended because I ran out of food.
Question, has anyone ever seen a dog get full? Like to the point where the doggeh just stops and has that look that says, "No more, I iz done."
Now I've seen sick dogs lose their appetite but that doesn't count.
Pretty sure some kind of black hole sits in the center of a dog's stomach.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:06 AM (4ixH5)
I have, twice. Both dobermans. One ate about twenty donuts and crawled into the bushes to digest them overnight. Dog looked like a python that just ate a pig. He skipped his dinner that night.
Second time was a mixed result. the dog wouldn't stop trying to eat the food I was giving him, but he was too full to swallow any more of it. So he just chewed it and let it fall out of his mouth. It only ended because I ran out of food.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 01:12 AM (Wp4rQ)
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There's a lot of things that are legal, but not particularly acceptable socially. Quite a few of them involve free speech. Many involve business practices.
I think people have their an internal moral compass. If something doesn't square with their internal compass, but its technically legal, they won't do it.
I alsothink there's a measure of reciprocity that takes place in relationships. If you expect to get, or were screwed by someone, then your standard of acceptab;le behavior towards them may diminish.
This is why people cheat on taxes and don't lose any sleep over it. Its illegal, but in their minds, they're just getting even for the fucking the govt has given them elsewhere.
I think people have their an internal moral compass. If something doesn't square with their internal compass, but its technically legal, they won't do it.
I alsothink there's a measure of reciprocity that takes place in relationships. If you expect to get, or were screwed by someone, then your standard of acceptab;le behavior towards them may diminish.
This is why people cheat on taxes and don't lose any sleep over it. Its illegal, but in their minds, they're just getting even for the fucking the govt has given them elsewhere.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:13 AM (w78gy)
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I didn't get a football pickem or FF invite..
Its at the address here I believe. Same user name for like 5 yrs now..
Thx
Its at the address here I believe. Same user name for like 5 yrs now..
Thx
Posted by: JarvisW at August 26, 2012 01:13 AM (8yPsP)
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Pretty sure some kind of black hole sits in the center of a dog's stomach.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:06 AM (4ixH5)
my wally dog could eat three gheezeburgers and a fries then yeah. he was all like "oooooo mommeh. I'z done. nap now." then he would fall over and snore for a half hour.
Wylie had no evident bottom to his tummeh-pit. never seemed to get enough people food.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:06 AM (4ixH5)
my wally dog could eat three gheezeburgers and a fries then yeah. he was all like "oooooo mommeh. I'z done. nap now." then he would fall over and snore for a half hour.
Wylie had no evident bottom to his tummeh-pit. never seemed to get enough people food.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:16 AM (r7Ddb)
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322 It's kinda sad, all the regulars are largely avoiding commenting. Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 26, 2012 12:19 AM (GEICT) They suspect a trap.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:20 AM (Wp4rQ)
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Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 12:20 AM (Wp4rQ)
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Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 01:18 AM (EPbpF)
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#394
Yes but we have legally support rights to take countermeasures against theft. As you mentioned yourself, what are you going to do to a woman who obtained an outlawed abortion? Jail her?
It isn't a question of whether I think an embryo is a person or not. The question is whether I can take any effective action if that opinion compels it. I'm not pro-abortion. I'm anti-futility.
It is easily conceivable that within a few decades we will have tiny robots that can be sent inside a human body to perform a wide variety of procedures that are considered major surgery today. When you have a tiny robot that can remove a tumor, how hard do you think it will be to program it to destroy a fetus in a way that leaves little evidence? Do you think preventing the illicit manufacturing and distribution of such a device would be easy when desktop factories become common?
Unless you make it a capital offense you aren't going to make much of a difference, no matter how high your regard for that fetus. You'd get better results funding RandD into better birth control. What we have now isn't very good and has dangers.
I favor taking action that might actually produce positive results. I just don't see that as an outcome from trying to prohibit people from doing things they find desirable that do not harm anyone external to their own bodies.
I am not religious. My concern for human behavior as informed by morality is solely for the results it produces in this life, not a claimed one to follow. I reject Pascal's Wager on the basis that God knows a weasel when one comes before him and would send to Hell a person who claimed faith solely on the basis of a threat for doing otherwise.
One need only look at commonness of marijuana consumption to see that people have no difficulty violating laws they don't believe have any moral standing if they feel at little risk of severe punishment. Unless you are prepared to treat those women who obtain an abortion the same as you would an infanticide, it just won't matter much what the law says.
Legal restriction just isn't going to work. There are limits to who we can protect by force of law.
Yes but we have legally support rights to take countermeasures against theft. As you mentioned yourself, what are you going to do to a woman who obtained an outlawed abortion? Jail her?
It isn't a question of whether I think an embryo is a person or not. The question is whether I can take any effective action if that opinion compels it. I'm not pro-abortion. I'm anti-futility.
It is easily conceivable that within a few decades we will have tiny robots that can be sent inside a human body to perform a wide variety of procedures that are considered major surgery today. When you have a tiny robot that can remove a tumor, how hard do you think it will be to program it to destroy a fetus in a way that leaves little evidence? Do you think preventing the illicit manufacturing and distribution of such a device would be easy when desktop factories become common?
Unless you make it a capital offense you aren't going to make much of a difference, no matter how high your regard for that fetus. You'd get better results funding RandD into better birth control. What we have now isn't very good and has dangers.
I favor taking action that might actually produce positive results. I just don't see that as an outcome from trying to prohibit people from doing things they find desirable that do not harm anyone external to their own bodies.
I am not religious. My concern for human behavior as informed by morality is solely for the results it produces in this life, not a claimed one to follow. I reject Pascal's Wager on the basis that God knows a weasel when one comes before him and would send to Hell a person who claimed faith solely on the basis of a threat for doing otherwise.
One need only look at commonness of marijuana consumption to see that people have no difficulty violating laws they don't believe have any moral standing if they feel at little risk of severe punishment. Unless you are prepared to treat those women who obtain an abortion the same as you would an infanticide, it just won't matter much what the law says.
Legal restriction just isn't going to work. There are limits to who we can protect by force of law.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 01:18 AM (kcfmt)
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432
There's a lot of things that are legal, but not particularly acceptable
socially. Quite a few of them involve free speech. Many involve business
practices.
I think people have their an internal moral compass.
If something doesn't square with their internal compass, but its
technically legal, they won't do it.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:13 AM (w78gy)
Im sorry it has gotten a bad rap in recent years but i think we need to bring back SHAME. you know, the social consequences for doing dodgy stuff. its not illegal but its BAD or creepy.
yep. lotta people didnt do shit cuz they didnt wanna be shunned. now its all tolerance and non judgementalism, ans see what its gotten us?
There's a lot of things that are legal, but not particularly acceptable
socially. Quite a few of them involve free speech. Many involve business
practices.
I think people have their an internal moral compass.
If something doesn't square with their internal compass, but its
technically legal, they won't do it.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:13 AM (w78gy)
Im sorry it has gotten a bad rap in recent years but i think we need to bring back SHAME. you know, the social consequences for doing dodgy stuff. its not illegal but its BAD or creepy.
yep. lotta people didnt do shit cuz they didnt wanna be shunned. now its all tolerance and non judgementalism, ans see what its gotten us?
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:18 AM (r7Ddb)
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lou, it was in connection with this:
Everybody still stupid?
Just checking!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
Everybody still stupid?
Just checking!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 01:19 AM (Wp4rQ)
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Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 12:52 AM (X3lox)
We're not so very far apart. The Federal policy coming from the abortion controversy s/b that it's not a Federal issue -- period, print. After all, murder isn't a Federal issue. At the time, however, there was insane stuff about barring women from crossing state lines to seek abortions and other such nonsense and it panicked SCOTUS. So they came up with a Federal policy that people can do whatever the hell they want. The only problem is that it was binding on the states.
But I agree with EVERY FREAKIN' WORD of your second paragraph ("Further, Roe.....RU-486 anyway."). RvW is a loathsome mess. In fact, much of what we're sort-of disputing is based on the fact that it's so screwed-up that nobody can tell exactly what part of it goes where.
Had the ball-less catamites in congress moved forward to support Federalism when they had the chance, I have no doubt that the SCOTUS would have found a better path.....but that's in a blissful land where the might-have-bins play happily with the if-onlys.
We're not so very far apart. The Federal policy coming from the abortion controversy s/b that it's not a Federal issue -- period, print. After all, murder isn't a Federal issue. At the time, however, there was insane stuff about barring women from crossing state lines to seek abortions and other such nonsense and it panicked SCOTUS. So they came up with a Federal policy that people can do whatever the hell they want. The only problem is that it was binding on the states.
But I agree with EVERY FREAKIN' WORD of your second paragraph ("Further, Roe.....RU-486 anyway."). RvW is a loathsome mess. In fact, much of what we're sort-of disputing is based on the fact that it's so screwed-up that nobody can tell exactly what part of it goes where.
Had the ball-less catamites in congress moved forward to support Federalism when they had the chance, I have no doubt that the SCOTUS would have found a better path.....but that's in a blissful land where the might-have-bins play happily with the if-onlys.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (kaalw)
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#430
Foreign babies are like designer accessories while unwanted American babies are just icky refuse of the underclass. This is why it's cool to import a baby from Botswana rather than one from Compton.
Foreign babies are like designer accessories while unwanted American babies are just icky refuse of the underclass. This is why it's cool to import a baby from Botswana rather than one from Compton.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (kcfmt)
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Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 01:12 AM (EflcN)
Pregnancy causes stretch marks As well as weight gain.
OFF with the little mass of cells!
Pregnancy causes stretch marks As well as weight gain.
OFF with the little mass of cells!
Posted by: RWC at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (gwWRQ)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:23 AM (3RmJl)
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"Question, has anyone ever seen a dog get full?"
Never. Many years ago, I was invited to an "Thanksgiving Day orphans" dinner in Washington DC. (We were all single people who couldn't make it home for the holiday.) The hostess took the turkey out of the oven and unwisely put it on the kitchen table within reach of their collie, who dragged the thing off the plate and onto the floor.Only about 30 seconds elapsed between the time Carol put the turkey on the table and the time she screamed out "Oh, God, Roxie, no!" In that time, half the turkey was gone. Roxie was ripping off huge chunks of hot turkey and swallowing them whole, not even bothering to chew. She stopped eating only when she started to heave. And then of course, she ran to barf on the living room carpet, instead of the kitchen floor. Roxie was a very bad dog that day.
The sweet potatoes and pumpkin pie were very good.
Never. Many years ago, I was invited to an "Thanksgiving Day orphans" dinner in Washington DC. (We were all single people who couldn't make it home for the holiday.) The hostess took the turkey out of the oven and unwisely put it on the kitchen table within reach of their collie, who dragged the thing off the plate and onto the floor.Only about 30 seconds elapsed between the time Carol put the turkey on the table and the time she screamed out "Oh, God, Roxie, no!" In that time, half the turkey was gone. Roxie was ripping off huge chunks of hot turkey and swallowing them whole, not even bothering to chew. She stopped eating only when she started to heave. And then of course, she ran to barf on the living room carpet, instead of the kitchen floor. Roxie was a very bad dog that day.
The sweet potatoes and pumpkin pie were very good.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 01:23 AM (EflcN)
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I didn't get an email for the fantasy signup. My team name is/was The Plague.
Posted by: ShoNuff at August 26, 2012 01:24 AM (jo0fs)
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So ya'll basically agree then? Black holes. Someone get Hawking on this.
And most never tire of fetching the tennis ball.
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 01:09 AM (PIgwN)
And why *is* that anyway?
And most never tire of fetching the tennis ball.
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 01:09 AM (PIgwN)
And why *is* that anyway?
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:24 AM (4ixH5)
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Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (kcfmt)
Sometimes the Goddess Irony laughs and sometimes she cries.
Sometimes the Goddess Irony laughs and sometimes she cries.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 01:24 AM (Wp4rQ)
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""Yep. I can't be the only one who finds it insane that thousands of
desperate couples fly to the ends of the earth to adopt while millions
of "unwanted" babies are aborted here. They're not wanted by their
biological mother. That doesn't mean other people wouldn't want them."
Thats a big pissoff to me. I know somebody who just went to fucking korea to adopt a kid. Thats complete bullshit that our kids here don't get families first, because they make it frigging impossible. It took my aunt 10 years to adopt my cousin. 10 frigging years.
desperate couples fly to the ends of the earth to adopt while millions
of "unwanted" babies are aborted here. They're not wanted by their
biological mother. That doesn't mean other people wouldn't want them."
Thats a big pissoff to me. I know somebody who just went to fucking korea to adopt a kid. Thats complete bullshit that our kids here don't get families first, because they make it frigging impossible. It took my aunt 10 years to adopt my cousin. 10 frigging years.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 01:24 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:25 AM (4ixH5)
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Well, I think I'm going to go do more attic work. I'm ===>.<=== this close to being able to take all the new phone system cabling live.
I'm eager to see if my L2 single DSL filter backfeed scheme will work. If it does, I'll try to combine it with a MagicJack and backfeed L2 with filtered magic jack, and keep L1 as plain Bell system. I want copper 911 service to Bell.
Then I'll have the option of using Bell system or Magic Jack on any given wall jack depending on the pair I choose with the device cord.
I'm eager to see if my L2 single DSL filter backfeed scheme will work. If it does, I'll try to combine it with a MagicJack and backfeed L2 with filtered magic jack, and keep L1 as plain Bell system. I want copper 911 service to Bell.
Then I'll have the option of using Bell system or Magic Jack on any given wall jack depending on the pair I choose with the device cord.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:25 AM (w78gy)
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Purple Av: The example you give is the opposite (cheating on taxes, which is illegal, but people do anyway).
My argument is once something is legal, it gains a certain moral acceptance. To go to another subject besides abortion, look at homosexuality. Once Lawrence v. Texas made prohibiting sodomy illegal, it went from aberration to perfectly acceptable. One can argue about which opinion is right all day long, but it is indisputable that before L v. T the most common belief was that homosexual acts were outside the norm. Now that opinion is held to be bigoted.
Or so as not to pick on the gays, look at adultery. It is a completely civil matter now. Regardless if one believes adultery to be the business of the state or not, it is difficult to argue that making it of no legal concern has led to its being more socially acceptable.
My argument is once something is legal, it gains a certain moral acceptance. To go to another subject besides abortion, look at homosexuality. Once Lawrence v. Texas made prohibiting sodomy illegal, it went from aberration to perfectly acceptable. One can argue about which opinion is right all day long, but it is indisputable that before L v. T the most common belief was that homosexual acts were outside the norm. Now that opinion is held to be bigoted.
Or so as not to pick on the gays, look at adultery. It is a completely civil matter now. Regardless if one believes adultery to be the business of the state or not, it is difficult to argue that making it of no legal concern has led to its being more socially acceptable.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 01:25 AM (yxz7s)
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438 lou, it was in connection with this: Everybody still stupid? Just checking! Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 01:19 AM (Wp4rQ)
Ahh
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 01:19 AM (Wp4rQ)
Ahh
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 01:26 AM (EPbpF)
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Im sorry it has gotten a bad rap in recent years but i think we need to bring back SHAME.
A society that relies on govt for its moral compass is adrift.
A society that relies on govt for its moral compass is adrift.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:27 AM (w78gy)
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#430
Foreign babies are like designer accessories while unwanted
American babies are just icky refuse of the underclass. This is why it's
cool to import a baby from Botswana rather than one from Compton.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (kcfmt)
saddest of all upperclass childless couples want those babies from compton but the GOVT has become convinced it HORRIBLE to take them away from their culture and have them raised in wealthy childless white peoples homes, where they will not learn "blackness." And no i am NOT MAKING THIS UP.
so they go to Zimbabwe or China and save a baby there and feel all good about it. Africans dont mind if the baby never learns blackness as long as it lives and is happy. they are weird like that.
#430
Foreign babies are like designer accessories while unwanted
American babies are just icky refuse of the underclass. This is why it's
cool to import a baby from Botswana rather than one from Compton.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (kcfmt)
saddest of all upperclass childless couples want those babies from compton but the GOVT has become convinced it HORRIBLE to take them away from their culture and have them raised in wealthy childless white peoples homes, where they will not learn "blackness." And no i am NOT MAKING THIS UP.
so they go to Zimbabwe or China and save a baby there and feel all good about it. Africans dont mind if the baby never learns blackness as long as it lives and is happy. they are weird like that.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:27 AM (r7Ddb)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 26, 2012 01:29 AM (a4CUi)
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Legal restriction just isn't going to work. There are limits to who we can protect by force of law.
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Almost everyone today considers slavery to be morally wrong. Prior to the Civil War that was, obviously, not the case. And the "radical religious right" running the Republican party prior to the war did what it could to restrict slavery and bother slave owners.
When the war came, those same Republicans legally freed the slaves even though they could not actually enforce the law.
In regards to abortion, it is the taking of a human life. The science is clear on that point. You can dress it up with religious concepts of personhood if you want, but once sperm and egg combine you have a new person as far as biology is concerned.
The only legitimate point in the existence of government is to protect our rights - the most fundamental being the right to life.
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Almost everyone today considers slavery to be morally wrong. Prior to the Civil War that was, obviously, not the case. And the "radical religious right" running the Republican party prior to the war did what it could to restrict slavery and bother slave owners.
When the war came, those same Republicans legally freed the slaves even though they could not actually enforce the law.
In regards to abortion, it is the taking of a human life. The science is clear on that point. You can dress it up with religious concepts of personhood if you want, but once sperm and egg combine you have a new person as far as biology is concerned.
The only legitimate point in the existence of government is to protect our rights - the most fundamental being the right to life.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 01:30 AM (AUeaU)
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Or so as not to pick on the gays, look at adultery. It is a completely civil matter now. Regardless if one believes adultery to be the business of the state or not, it is difficult to argue that making it of no legal concern has led to its being more socially acceptable.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 01:25 AM (yxz7s)
In Chemistry there are systems that swing wildly from one extreme to another before they reach equilibrium.
Cultures likely do something similar, then that equilibrium is disturbed and chaos restarts.
Most likely the world you desire will never come to be. That's the way things go here on Earth.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 01:25 AM (yxz7s)
In Chemistry there are systems that swing wildly from one extreme to another before they reach equilibrium.
Cultures likely do something similar, then that equilibrium is disturbed and chaos restarts.
Most likely the world you desire will never come to be. That's the way things go here on Earth.
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 01:30 AM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: eman at August 26, 2012 01:33 AM (Wp4rQ)
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Good night, Eman.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:33 AM (4ixH5)
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""Yep. I can't be the only one who finds it insane that thousands of
desperate couples fly to the ends of the earth to adopt while millions
of "unwanted" babies are aborted here. They're not wanted by their
biological mother. That doesn't mean other people wouldn't want them."
Thats
a big pissoff to me. I know somebody who just went to fucking korea to
adopt a kid. Thats complete bullshit that our kids here don't get
families first, because they make it frigging impossible. It took my
aunt 10 years to adopt my cousin. 10 frigging years.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 01:24 AM (FMbng)
I am a woman who cannot carry a baby. when i think of all the fucking college girls who get their "little problems" "taken care of" by abortion i fucking want to choke a bitch. as a horse breeder it offends me that coke whores carry to term but "nice young ladies" know better.
i actually talked to a young woman who could never just give her baby up to a random stranger. But thought abortion was the kinder option. WHAT???? i mentioned i wished there was a child for me to adopt. she kinda brushed me off "like adoption fucks kids up ya kno? not knowing who your REAL parents are."
I wish my (adopted foster) kid could explain to her how wrong she is.
""Yep. I can't be the only one who finds it insane that thousands of
desperate couples fly to the ends of the earth to adopt while millions
of "unwanted" babies are aborted here. They're not wanted by their
biological mother. That doesn't mean other people wouldn't want them."
Thats
a big pissoff to me. I know somebody who just went to fucking korea to
adopt a kid. Thats complete bullshit that our kids here don't get
families first, because they make it frigging impossible. It took my
aunt 10 years to adopt my cousin. 10 frigging years.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 01:24 AM (FMbng)
I am a woman who cannot carry a baby. when i think of all the fucking college girls who get their "little problems" "taken care of" by abortion i fucking want to choke a bitch. as a horse breeder it offends me that coke whores carry to term but "nice young ladies" know better.
i actually talked to a young woman who could never just give her baby up to a random stranger. But thought abortion was the kinder option. WHAT???? i mentioned i wished there was a child for me to adopt. she kinda brushed me off "like adoption fucks kids up ya kno? not knowing who your REAL parents are."
I wish my (adopted foster) kid could explain to her how wrong she is.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:34 AM (r7Ddb)
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before L v. T the most common belief was that homosexual acts were outside the norm. Now that opinion is held to be bigoted.
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It amazes me the speed of which this issue has moved.
The polls showing acceptance of homosexually are greatly exaggerated - compare them to the votes on gay marriage in the same locations - but certainly it has gained significant approval from the liberal half of the population.
While the changing legal landscape is one part, I think the far greater effect is the popularity of homosexuality among the liberals running the infotainment complex and their use of the full force of their conduits to proselytize.
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It amazes me the speed of which this issue has moved.
The polls showing acceptance of homosexually are greatly exaggerated - compare them to the votes on gay marriage in the same locations - but certainly it has gained significant approval from the liberal half of the population.
While the changing legal landscape is one part, I think the far greater effect is the popularity of homosexuality among the liberals running the infotainment complex and their use of the full force of their conduits to proselytize.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 01:35 AM (AUeaU)
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Foreign babies are like designer accessories while unwanted American babies are just icky refuse of the underclass. This is why it's cool to import a baby from Botswana rather than one from Compton. Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (kcfmt)
True of well-to-do liberals. Not true of ordinary people who just want a baby, any damn baby. Two of my nephews were adopted through Catholic Charities. They're both of Mexican descent. The initial adoption process took a year (thanks to the help of a sympathetic priest, who was able to speed up the process). The second boy arrived within a matter of weeks - CC called my sister-in-law and said, "Do you want another boy? We'll have one for you in about a month." Now CC is prohibited from doing adoption services in MA because they won't let gay couples adopt kids.
True of well-to-do liberals. Not true of ordinary people who just want a baby, any damn baby. Two of my nephews were adopted through Catholic Charities. They're both of Mexican descent. The initial adoption process took a year (thanks to the help of a sympathetic priest, who was able to speed up the process). The second boy arrived within a matter of weeks - CC called my sister-in-law and said, "Do you want another boy? We'll have one for you in about a month." Now CC is prohibited from doing adoption services in MA because they won't let gay couples adopt kids.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 01:37 AM (EflcN)
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We're not so very far apart.
I know. I was sort of using your comment as a jumping off point for a little rant.
Had the ball-less catamites in congress moved forward to support
Federalism when they had the chance, I have no doubt that the SCOTUS
would have found a better path.....but that's in a blissful land where
the might-have-bins play happily with the if-onlys.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (kaalw)
Probably, but the SCOTUS should have been restrained anyway. If they had any respect for the Constitution and a little dose of courage they would have been, but we've seen the unlimited depths of cowardice that inhabit so much of the feral government. I understand how great the pressures are that these people feel to make shitty decisions. It's the easy way out and they dread the idea that their names will be held out in history as "the idiot/bigot/fool who did ____". Most people would crack under this and most people do (as we see with run-of-the-mill PC bullshit in daily life) but we used to believe that the respect for their positions was enough to counteract those fears and encourage them to make the right decisions instead of the easy ones. We used to have men that worked with. There are still a few here and there (I don't think most people really appreciate how hard it must be for Scalia to have remained true to his idea of limited SCOTUS power over all these years - to hold a position that offers nearly unlimited power and make it ones duty to spend the time pointing out what have to be the limits, unpopular much of the time) but I don't think there are nearly enough of these men to sustain things. Too many people just want to take the easy ways out (like letting Barky go with just being thrown out in an election rather than having him held responsible for ANY of the serious crimes he's committed and damage he's intentionally done to our nation). Each time we do that it ratchets instability up - and I think the latest with Barky and Roberts' insanity is so far beyond the pale that it must be addressed directly or it will eat what's left of this nation.
I seem to have gotten into another little rant there ... Sorry.
I know. I was sort of using your comment as a jumping off point for a little rant.
Had the ball-less catamites in congress moved forward to support
Federalism when they had the chance, I have no doubt that the SCOTUS
would have found a better path.....but that's in a blissful land where
the might-have-bins play happily with the if-onlys.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 01:21 AM (kaalw)
Probably, but the SCOTUS should have been restrained anyway. If they had any respect for the Constitution and a little dose of courage they would have been, but we've seen the unlimited depths of cowardice that inhabit so much of the feral government. I understand how great the pressures are that these people feel to make shitty decisions. It's the easy way out and they dread the idea that their names will be held out in history as "the idiot/bigot/fool who did ____". Most people would crack under this and most people do (as we see with run-of-the-mill PC bullshit in daily life) but we used to believe that the respect for their positions was enough to counteract those fears and encourage them to make the right decisions instead of the easy ones. We used to have men that worked with. There are still a few here and there (I don't think most people really appreciate how hard it must be for Scalia to have remained true to his idea of limited SCOTUS power over all these years - to hold a position that offers nearly unlimited power and make it ones duty to spend the time pointing out what have to be the limits, unpopular much of the time) but I don't think there are nearly enough of these men to sustain things. Too many people just want to take the easy ways out (like letting Barky go with just being thrown out in an election rather than having him held responsible for ANY of the serious crimes he's committed and damage he's intentionally done to our nation). Each time we do that it ratchets instability up - and I think the latest with Barky and Roberts' insanity is so far beyond the pale that it must be addressed directly or it will eat what's left of this nation.
I seem to have gotten into another little rant there ... Sorry.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 01:37 AM (X3lox)
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Damn, I come to the ONT on a Saturday night for boob talk, gun talk, car talk, sports talk, kitteh pics, and SCOAMF updates.
Looks like I have to pleasure myself again ...
Kate Upton Plays Football in Christian Louboutins!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AbEAHYNZLM
Looks like I have to pleasure myself again ...
Kate Upton Plays Football in Christian Louboutins!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AbEAHYNZLM
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 01:38 AM (wwsoB)
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Most likely the world you desire will never come to be. That's the way things go here on Earth.
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Though Tytler isn't the one who really came up with it, I think there is a strong historical record for;
From bondage to spiritual faith;From spiritual faith to great courage;From courage to liberty;From liberty to abundance;From abundance to selfishness;From selfishness to complacency;From complacency to apathy;From apathy to dependence;From dependence back into bondage.
Dependence being just about where we are today. What will come next I don't know...but I don't know the liberal welfare state won't last...
***
Though Tytler isn't the one who really came up with it, I think there is a strong historical record for;
From bondage to spiritual faith;From spiritual faith to great courage;From courage to liberty;From liberty to abundance;From abundance to selfishness;From selfishness to complacency;From complacency to apathy;From apathy to dependence;From dependence back into bondage.
Dependence being just about where we are today. What will come next I don't know...but I don't know the liberal welfare state won't last...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 01:39 AM (AUeaU)
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> A society that relies on govt for its moral compass is adrift.
I think this is like saying a woman who relies on her mirror to know whether she is beautiful or not is clueless. Maybe she should know intuitively, but the mirror is an accurate reflection, and she dismisses it at her peril.
I think this is like saying a woman who relies on her mirror to know whether she is beautiful or not is clueless. Maybe she should know intuitively, but the mirror is an accurate reflection, and she dismisses it at her peril.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 01:39 AM (yxz7s)
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Happy Saturday Night, y'all ...
Just back from a visit to the MIL ...
Long drive. Fun visit.
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:23 AM (3RmJl)
Howdy, Adriane!
Did you really think the window turned out faaaaaaabuuuulous, or were you just saying that it was a well-prettied-up kludge job (or were you saying I had a gig on Project Runway waiting for me)?
Happy Saturday Night, y'all ...
Just back from a visit to the MIL ...
Long drive. Fun visit.
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:23 AM (3RmJl)
Howdy, Adriane!
Did you really think the window turned out faaaaaaabuuuulous, or were you just saying that it was a well-prettied-up kludge job (or were you saying I had a gig on Project Runway waiting for me)?
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 01:41 AM (kaalw)
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This ONT is not just gay. It's gay AND aids.
So says the commenter who called me a concern troll.
So says the commenter who called me a concern troll.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 01:41 AM (QTHTd)
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Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 01:38 AM (wwsoB)
Well, now that you mention it ... I was looking at pictures of my cat while I was driving my Edsel when some guy on the radio started talking about curling. I was so upset that I grabbed my dueling pistol and shot the radio but the recoil was so bad, my bra got pulled off. I blame Obama ...
Well, now that you mention it ... I was looking at pictures of my cat while I was driving my Edsel when some guy on the radio started talking about curling. I was so upset that I grabbed my dueling pistol and shot the radio but the recoil was so bad, my bra got pulled off. I blame Obama ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:42 AM (3RmJl)
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Hey Kids,
I made some of jc's "famous amongst anyone who has ever eaten it" razor clam corn chowder.
http://tinyurl.com/ccs6rkx
If you want any you better come over right away cuz it never lasts very long.
I made some of jc's "famous amongst anyone who has ever eaten it" razor clam corn chowder.
http://tinyurl.com/ccs6rkx
If you want any you better come over right away cuz it never lasts very long.
Posted by: jc is pigging out at August 26, 2012 01:43 AM (ufJKx)
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>>Prior to the Civil War that was, obviously, not the case.
Orly? Logic is your friend. "Obviously" the vast majority of the population in the world did not own, or ADVOCATE slaves, or slavery. "Obviously" the Abolition Movement started long before the Civil War. "Obviously" pro-slavery might have been a little more to do with a particular type of, shall we say, set of "mores" and financial objectives.
Don't you fucking DARE equivocate EVERYFUCKINGBODY that way, you jackass. My family is on record in protest of slavery as far back as 1792. Fuck you with your lazy garbage post. That is an insult to every.single.person whoever stood fast against that evil shit before it was declared illegal. Many of whom lost their lives because of it.
Wake the fuck up.
Orly? Logic is your friend. "Obviously" the vast majority of the population in the world did not own, or ADVOCATE slaves, or slavery. "Obviously" the Abolition Movement started long before the Civil War. "Obviously" pro-slavery might have been a little more to do with a particular type of, shall we say, set of "mores" and financial objectives.
Don't you fucking DARE equivocate EVERYFUCKINGBODY that way, you jackass. My family is on record in protest of slavery as far back as 1792. Fuck you with your lazy garbage post. That is an insult to every.single.person whoever stood fast against that evil shit before it was declared illegal. Many of whom lost their lives because of it.
Wake the fuck up.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 26, 2012 01:44 AM (a4CUi)
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> Kate Upton plays Football in Christian Louboutins
Louboutins apparently does not equal bare boobies.
Damn.
Louboutins apparently does not equal bare boobies.
Damn.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 26, 2012 01:44 AM (yxz7s)
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my bra got pulled off.
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:42 AM (3RmJl)
Pics or it didn't happen.
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:42 AM (3RmJl)
Pics or it didn't happen.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:44 AM (4ixH5)
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If you want any you better come over right away cuz it never lasts very long.
Posted by: jc is pigging out at August 26, 2012 01:43 AM (ufJKx)
*Books a flight*
Posted by: jc is pigging out at August 26, 2012 01:43 AM (ufJKx)
*Books a flight*
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:45 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 26, 2012 01:46 AM (a4CUi)
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A window on the window comment ...
cooth -
If I open a door to a room and say 'Kewl!' it's faaaaaaaabulous whether it's a kludge job or nay ...
I got that impression from your piclink, so I said it ...
cooth -
If I open a door to a room and say 'Kewl!' it's faaaaaaaabulous whether it's a kludge job or nay ...
I got that impression from your piclink, so I said it ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:46 AM (3RmJl)
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That is an insult to
every.single.person whoever stood fast against that evil shit before it
was declared illegal.
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Panties in a bunch dear?
Once you calm down try reading what you responded to instead of going off like an 18 year old on prom night.
every.single.person whoever stood fast against that evil shit before it
was declared illegal.
***
Panties in a bunch dear?
Once you calm down try reading what you responded to instead of going off like an 18 year old on prom night.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 01:47 AM (AUeaU)
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#306
Remember, they said inflation wasn't a problem if you ignore food and fuel. You know, stuff you'll DIE without?
I have to wonder what would be happening to the price of oxygen on an Obama-run Lunar colony.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:11 AM (kcfmt)
Well, there's always planet Druidia...
Remember, they said inflation wasn't a problem if you ignore food and fuel. You know, stuff you'll DIE without?
I have to wonder what would be happening to the price of oxygen on an Obama-run Lunar colony.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 12:11 AM (kcfmt)
Well, there's always planet Druidia...
Posted by: President Skroob at August 26, 2012 01:48 AM (sZTYJ)
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If you want any you better come over right away cuz it never lasts very long.
Buys box of crackers and bib and a really big spoon ...
Buys box of crackers and bib and a really big spoon ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:48 AM (3RmJl)
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All this talk about bras and panties and no bunk for me to be in.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:48 AM (4ixH5)
480
Well, there's always planet Druidia...
Posted by: President Skroob at August 26, 2012 01:48 AM (sZTYJ)
Oh great, that's just what we need. A Duish princess.
Posted by: President Skroob at August 26, 2012 01:48 AM (sZTYJ)
Oh great, that's just what we need. A Duish princess.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:49 AM (4ixH5)
481
I'm concerned that you're so concerned about what I post here, IdowhatIwant. Also I'm concerned that you're concerned about the content of this ONT. It's all so very concerning.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 01:49 AM (QTHTd)
482
Everybody still stupid?
Just checking!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
DARE to be stupid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ
Just checking!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 12:10 AM (bxiXv)
DARE to be stupid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (sZTYJ)
483
Woah what the fuck is going on here, everyone so heated
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (csi6Y)
484
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 01:37 AM (X3lox)
Your previous rant pretty much hit it out of the park. The SCOTUS decision is horrible in just so many ways, whether you're pro-life or pro-choice.
Your previous rant pretty much hit it out of the park. The SCOTUS decision is horrible in just so many ways, whether you're pro-life or pro-choice.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (3RmJl)
486
and how come my photobucket url isn't working
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (csi6Y)
487
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 01:47 AM
Oh I read the post, smartass, and quoted you in my response. Keep it up.
Oh I read the post, smartass, and quoted you in my response. Keep it up.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (a4CUi)
488
never mind
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:51 AM (csi6Y)
489
You're right ... it didn't happen ... but don't tell kbdabear ...
***
Doesn't a bra get unconformable after wearing it for years at a go?
You're right ... it didn't happen ... but don't tell kbdabear ...
***
Doesn't a bra get unconformable after wearing it for years at a go?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 01:51 AM (AUeaU)
490
The great thing about this country is Liberty and Virtue: the freedom to do wrong, but the wisdom to choose right.
Once can not exist without the other. Government in the hands of the left is a threat to both.
Once can not exist without the other. Government in the hands of the left is a threat to both.
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 26, 2012 01:51 AM (sZTYJ)
491
Oh I read the post, smartass, and quoted you in my response. Keep it up.
***
You know literacy is a valuable skill. You should try and pick it up one day.
On the other hand, you are making me laugh at you so perhaps you should stick with what you are good at.
***
You know literacy is a valuable skill. You should try and pick it up one day.
On the other hand, you are making me laugh at you so perhaps you should stick with what you are good at.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 01:52 AM (AUeaU)
492
The Political Hat at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (sZTYJ)
I have never eaten sushi and forgot to leave a tip ... waiters remember sh!t like that ...
I have never eaten sushi and forgot to leave a tip ... waiters remember sh!t like that ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:52 AM (3RmJl)
493
"Obviously" the vast majority of the population in the world did not own, or ADVOCATE slaves, or slavery.
Well, the slaves probably don't advocate it. It has been a human social practice for pretty much all of recorded history though. When you lost a battle, you were either dead or made a slave.
This really didn't change much until the Romans came along and made the defeated regions part of the empire. But even they still had slaves and slavery was one of the punishments meted out by the Roman legal system.
Even today, slavery is still practiced in parts of northern Africa. Blood diamonds anyone?
Its popularity is on the wane, but its still around.
Well, the slaves probably don't advocate it. It has been a human social practice for pretty much all of recorded history though. When you lost a battle, you were either dead or made a slave.
This really didn't change much until the Romans came along and made the defeated regions part of the empire. But even they still had slaves and slavery was one of the punishments meted out by the Roman legal system.
Even today, slavery is still practiced in parts of northern Africa. Blood diamonds anyone?
Its popularity is on the wane, but its still around.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:52 AM (w78gy)
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 01:53 AM (wwsoB)
495
Doesn't a bra get unconformable after wearing it for years at a go?
Well mine have never complained ... but I don't talk to them that often ...
Well mine have never complained ... but I don't talk to them that often ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:54 AM (3RmJl)
496
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 01:52 AM
0/10
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:52 AM
Exactly correct.
0/10
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:52 AM
Exactly correct.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 26, 2012 01:55 AM (a4CUi)
497
Internet Security, pffft.
Name:password is Taco.
Password: Taco
Done and done.
Posted by: RWC at August 26, 2012 12:34 AM (gwWRQ)
Did someone say "Taco"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG3PnQ3tgzY
Name:password is Taco.
Password: Taco
Done and done.
Posted by: RWC at August 26, 2012 12:34 AM (gwWRQ)
Did someone say "Taco"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG3PnQ3tgzY
Posted by: Taco at August 26, 2012 01:55 AM (sZTYJ)
498
"Obviously" the vast majority of the population in the world did not own, or ADVOCATE slaves, or slavery.
The vast majority of the muslim world STILL advocates slavery ... and I keep hearing that there are 32 billion muslims on Earth. The Saudis used to bring their slaves to New York in the 1960s. I believe the islamic slave trade (which was what the Europeans horned in on, though it had already been going on for centuries) lasted into the 20th century. Nowadays they import East Asian slaves, mostly.
Of course, this is just another reason the Western left loves islam. They just can't get enough of slavers.
The vast majority of the muslim world STILL advocates slavery ... and I keep hearing that there are 32 billion muslims on Earth. The Saudis used to bring their slaves to New York in the 1960s. I believe the islamic slave trade (which was what the Europeans horned in on, though it had already been going on for centuries) lasted into the 20th century. Nowadays they import East Asian slaves, mostly.
Of course, this is just another reason the Western left loves islam. They just can't get enough of slavers.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 01:56 AM (X3lox)
499
but don't tell kbdabear ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (3RmJl)
*Zips his lip*
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:50 AM (3RmJl)
*Zips his lip*
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (4ixH5)
500
Can someone explain to me what slavery has to do with abortion??
It's not very clear from what's been written here.
It's not very clear from what's been written here.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (csi6Y)
501
Can't make any promises about my fingers though, they get kind of carried away with themselves.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (4ixH5)
502
The funny thing is, if IdowhatIwant called me just a troll troll,
she might have a point. I throw out a lot of wacky stuff in here.
Some of the things I say, I mean; some of them, I'm just spitballing.
Usually it's in between: I mean it at the time, but I'm willing to be
called on it and to change my mind. Any of these comments could be a
"troll" of sorts.
But implying I'm some sort of Left plant deliberately trying to ruin this site - er, no.
It is possible for someone to be wrong without being malicious.
she might have a point. I throw out a lot of wacky stuff in here.
Some of the things I say, I mean; some of them, I'm just spitballing.
Usually it's in between: I mean it at the time, but I'm willing to be
called on it and to change my mind. Any of these comments could be a
"troll" of sorts.
But implying I'm some sort of Left plant deliberately trying to ruin this site - er, no.
It is possible for someone to be wrong without being malicious.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 01:58 AM (QTHTd)
503
475
A window on the window comment ...
cooth -
If I open a door to a room and say 'Kewl!' it's faaaaaaaabulous whether it's a kludge job or nay ...
I got that impression from your piclink, so I said it ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:46 AM (3RmJl)
The BH had a problem with there being a 3-board solution on the left side, and a single piece of oak on the right, so we stuck on another oak trim piece on the right -- it's not even nailed, it's held on with varnish. People have strong reactions over the weirdest things.
I'm pretty happy the way it turned out.
A window on the window comment ...
cooth -
If I open a door to a room and say 'Kewl!' it's faaaaaaaabulous whether it's a kludge job or nay ...
I got that impression from your piclink, so I said it ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 01:46 AM (3RmJl)
The BH had a problem with there being a 3-board solution on the left side, and a single piece of oak on the right, so we stuck on another oak trim piece on the right -- it's not even nailed, it's held on with varnish. People have strong reactions over the weirdest things.
I'm pretty happy the way it turned out.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 01:58 AM (kaalw)
504
Here in southern Delaware, we have been subjected to nearly constant rain, accompanied by cloud-to-cloud lightning and thunder for over six hours now. The saving grace has been no wind to speak of.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 26, 2012 01:59 AM (XN0LR)
505
Can someone explain to me what slavery has to do with abortion??
It's not very clear from what's been written here.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (csi6Y)
What are you, a discern troll?
Sorry ... I was just looking for some place to put that.
It's not very clear from what's been written here.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (csi6Y)
What are you, a discern troll?
Sorry ... I was just looking for some place to put that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 01:59 AM (X3lox)
506
Can someone explain to me what slavery has to do with abortion??
It's not very clear from what's been written here.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (csi6Y)
We'll bind all the most beautiful white women in chains for ourselves and keep them from breeding without our say so.
It's not very clear from what's been written here.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (csi6Y)
We'll bind all the most beautiful white women in chains for ourselves and keep them from breeding without our say so.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 01:59 AM (4ixH5)
507
Its popularity is on the wane, but its still around.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:52 AM (w78gy)
===
slavery is still as popular as ever. honesty about slavery has gone out of style.
I know this link is Wiki and therefore at least partly BS, but it is close enough to make the point -- slavery has been a worldwide phenomena for 1000's of years. Unless your ancestors were conjured out of thin air within the last 300 years, there is no doubt whatsoever that every person on this planet has ancestors on all sides of this sordid story:
http://tinyurl.com/2erl5l8http://tinyurl.com/ytc6cm
furthermore -- slavery is the theft or confiscation of the productive time of your life. Listen to Pelosi/Reid/Obama much lately? Slavery has lots of new names, but the concept hasn't gone anywhere.
Its popularity is on the wane, but its still around.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 01:52 AM (w78gy)
===
slavery is still as popular as ever. honesty about slavery has gone out of style.
I know this link is Wiki and therefore at least partly BS, but it is close enough to make the point -- slavery has been a worldwide phenomena for 1000's of years. Unless your ancestors were conjured out of thin air within the last 300 years, there is no doubt whatsoever that every person on this planet has ancestors on all sides of this sordid story:
http://tinyurl.com/2erl5l8http://tinyurl.com/ytc6cm
furthermore -- slavery is the theft or confiscation of the productive time of your life. Listen to Pelosi/Reid/Obama much lately? Slavery has lots of new names, but the concept hasn't gone anywhere.
Posted by: jc is pigging out at August 26, 2012 02:01 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Costanza Internet Security Inc at August 26, 2012 02:01 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: jc is pigging out at August 26, 2012 02:01 AM (ufJKx)
510
heh, they put Sara Jean Underwood in a Carls commercial. Haven't heard of the brunette before but she's quite the looker (Emily Ratajkowski)
Posted by: The Dude at August 26, 2012 02:02 AM (tw6Ar)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:03 AM (csi6Y)
512
Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Rain Man,' look retarded, act retarded,
not retarded. Counted toothpicks, cheated cards. Autistic, sho'. Not
retarded. You know Tom Hanks, 'Forrest Gump.' Slow, yes. Retarded,
maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and won a
ping-pong competition. That ain't retarded. Peter Sellers, "Being
There." Infantile, yes. Retarded, no. IdowhatIwant went full retard, man. Never
go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, "I Am Sam."
Remember? Went full retard, went home empty handed...
?
Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Rain Man,' look retarded, act retarded,
not retarded. Counted toothpicks, cheated cards. Autistic, sho'. Not
retarded. You know Tom Hanks, 'Forrest Gump.' Slow, yes. Retarded,
maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and won a
ping-pong competition. That ain't retarded. Peter Sellers, "Being
There." Infantile, yes. Retarded, no. IdowhatIwant went full retard, man. Never
go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, "I Am Sam."
Remember? Went full retard, went home empty handed...
?
Posted by: Kirk Lazarus at August 26, 2012 02:03 AM (AUeaU)
513
Slavery has lots of new names, but the concept hasn't gone anywhere.
Yep. Now the shackles are velvet lined and comfy...so very very comfy.
Yep. Now the shackles are velvet lined and comfy...so very very comfy.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 02:03 AM (w78gy)
514
504
Here in southern Delaware, we have been subjected to nearly constant
rain, accompanied by cloud-to-cloud lightning and thunder for over six
hours now. The saving grace has been no wind to speak of.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 26, 2012 01:59 AM
Delaware: What you get when you're driving south and you've run out of New Jersey
Here in southern Delaware, we have been subjected to nearly constant
rain, accompanied by cloud-to-cloud lightning and thunder for over six
hours now. The saving grace has been no wind to speak of.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 26, 2012 01:59 AM
Delaware: What you get when you're driving south and you've run out of New Jersey
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 02:04 AM (wwsoB)
515
500
Can someone explain to me what slavery has to do with abortion??
It's not very clear from what's been written here.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (csi6Y)
Both show a disregard for human life.
Can someone explain to me what slavery has to do with abortion??
It's not very clear from what's been written here.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 01:57 AM (csi6Y)
Both show a disregard for human life.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:06 AM (1grxW)
516
furthermore -- slavery is the theft or confiscation of the productive
time of your life. Listen to Pelosi/Reid/Obama much lately? Slavery has
lots of new names, but the concept hasn't gone anywhere.
***
Serfdom was generally an effective tax rate of 50%.
The government (at all levels) is currently directly spending 43% of GDP. If you count in indirect costs, we have a heavier tax burden then your average medieval serf.
time of your life. Listen to Pelosi/Reid/Obama much lately? Slavery has
lots of new names, but the concept hasn't gone anywhere.
***
Serfdom was generally an effective tax rate of 50%.
The government (at all levels) is currently directly spending 43% of GDP. If you count in indirect costs, we have a heavier tax burden then your average medieval serf.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2012 02:06 AM (AUeaU)
517
It is possible for someone to be wrong without being malicious.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 01:58 AM
It's also possible for someone to be a douchebag tossing bullshit out for personal amusement. Which is exactly what you do. All the time. This place is volatile enough without an intentional bomber, and you've been doing the bombing for a considerable while. Asshole agitator with no purpose beyond self-gratification, as far as anyone else can determine.
If you want to help the team, be a booster, or even be a gut-check guy who keeps the the team aware of our weaknesses and mistakes...fine. I'm all about not being in an echo chamber. I want to hear the truth.
That's not what you do. Your posts are gratuitous bombs that serve no purpose at all, beyond creating a bunch of negative bullshit.
I don't respect what you do at all.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 01:58 AM
It's also possible for someone to be a douchebag tossing bullshit out for personal amusement. Which is exactly what you do. All the time. This place is volatile enough without an intentional bomber, and you've been doing the bombing for a considerable while. Asshole agitator with no purpose beyond self-gratification, as far as anyone else can determine.
If you want to help the team, be a booster, or even be a gut-check guy who keeps the the team aware of our weaknesses and mistakes...fine. I'm all about not being in an echo chamber. I want to hear the truth.
That's not what you do. Your posts are gratuitous bombs that serve no purpose at all, beyond creating a bunch of negative bullshit.
I don't respect what you do at all.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 26, 2012 02:07 AM (a4CUi)
518
I wish my (adopted foster) kid could explain to her how wrong she is.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:34 AM (r7Ddb)
You know how well that would work. You're challenging someone's essential excuses that allow them to do what they do without hating themselves.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 01:34 AM (r7Ddb)
You know how well that would work. You're challenging someone's essential excuses that allow them to do what they do without hating themselves.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 02:10 AM (bxiXv)
519
MrCaniac- yeah, slavery and abortion both assume that the object is in a human limbo. Slavery says the slave is a beast; abortion says the foetus is a parasite.
Since definitions are at stake, this is why the debate gets heated.
Since definitions are at stake, this is why the debate gets heated.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 02:11 AM (QTHTd)
520
hi all, back from the adventure
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 01:23 AM (EflcN)
that is too funny
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 01:23 AM (EflcN)
that is too funny
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:12 AM (d/5qf)
521
OK, dumped about 1/2 the water in the fish tanks, refilled to about 2" down. Can top off in the morning.
I should probably do the same in the ponds tomorrow. I can't think that waterlilies appreciate growing in salty hard water.
I should probably do the same in the ponds tomorrow. I can't think that waterlilies appreciate growing in salty hard water.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 02:12 AM (kaalw)
522
I dreamed I saw Saul Alinsky
Alive as you or me
Tearing through this convention
In the utmost misery.
With Rules for Radicals underneath his arm
And a halo of solid lead,
Searching for the very souls
Who already were quite dead.
Alive as you or me
Tearing through this convention
In the utmost misery.
With Rules for Radicals underneath his arm
And a halo of solid lead,
Searching for the very souls
Who already were quite dead.
Posted by: R. Mutt at August 26, 2012 02:12 AM (9196u)
523
I like Boulder Hobo.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 02:13 AM (X3lox)
524
RG III vs Andrew Luck tonight;
Luck: 14/23 150 yds, 1 td 0 int, 2 sacks, 94.5 rating
RG III : 11/17 75 yds, 1 td 0 int, 0 sacks, 94.0 rating
Redskins over Colts 30-17
Luck: 14/23 150 yds, 1 td 0 int, 2 sacks, 94.5 rating
RG III : 11/17 75 yds, 1 td 0 int, 0 sacks, 94.0 rating
Redskins over Colts 30-17
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2012 02:14 AM (wwsoB)
525
Thanks for explaining that to me, IdowhatIwant. I have an idea as to which comments you might be referring to. I'll think it over.
That comment was certainly more constructive than saying "concern troll!!1", anyway, so I appreciate that you took the time.
That comment was certainly more constructive than saying "concern troll!!1", anyway, so I appreciate that you took the time.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 02:14 AM (QTHTd)
526
WTF?
Posted by: Henry VIII, looking at today's Episcopalian Church at August 26, 2012 02:14 AM (qZXps)
527
Speaking of which, Whole Foods has a thing to buy DI water for 49 cents a gallon. Since our carnivorous plant collection can easily suck down a gallon per day and gallons on grocery shelves are 89 cents plus 10 cents recycling, this seems like a bargain.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 02:16 AM (kaalw)
528
Both show a disregard for human life.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:06 AM (1grxW)
I've been thinking about this . I'm not sure I'm ready to defend a blastula with the full force of morality and the law.
An embryo with a nervous system, yes. But not a clump of cells. I'm not sure yet.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:06 AM (1grxW)
I've been thinking about this . I'm not sure I'm ready to defend a blastula with the full force of morality and the law.
An embryo with a nervous system, yes. But not a clump of cells. I'm not sure yet.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:17 AM (csi6Y)
529
Since definitions are at stake, this is why the debate gets heated.
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 02:11 AM (QTHTd)
Kind of like how when the media is reporting on abortion, the baby is a "fetus", and when they talk about a pregnant woman being killed it is always her "unborn child", even though the fetus can be older than the "unborn child".
Posted by: Boulder Hobo at August 26, 2012 02:11 AM (QTHTd)
Kind of like how when the media is reporting on abortion, the baby is a "fetus", and when they talk about a pregnant woman being killed it is always her "unborn child", even though the fetus can be older than the "unborn child".
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:17 AM (1grxW)
530
523 I like Boulder Hobo.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 02:13 AM (X3lox)
See if you can get him to drop the repeated "let's see how close I can get to open race bigotry" horseshit he keeps dropping.
'Cause that's pretty fuckin' troll.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 02:13 AM (X3lox)
See if you can get him to drop the repeated "let's see how close I can get to open race bigotry" horseshit he keeps dropping.
'Cause that's pretty fuckin' troll.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 02:17 AM (bxiXv)
531
Fair enough. Thanks for listening.
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 26, 2012 02:17 AM (a4CUi)
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 02:18 AM (PIgwN)
533
Let me also toss-in that I appreciate BTH's snark.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 02:19 AM (kaalw)
534
You know how well that would work. You're
challenging someone's essential excuses that allow them to do what they
do without hating themselves.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 02:10 AM (bxiXv)
oh. that logicky-thinky thing again. yeah. that just makes em mad.
You know how well that would work. You're
challenging someone's essential excuses that allow them to do what they
do without hating themselves.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 02:10 AM (bxiXv)
oh. that logicky-thinky thing again. yeah. that just makes em mad.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 02:21 AM (r7Ddb)
535
#455
The objection was primarily to chattel slavery, which treats the slave as subhuman property.
If this country had practiced the Roman model of slavery it would probably still be in existence today. We'd have a lot fewer people in prison.
I recall an alternate history story about an Earth where the Roman Empire had never collapsed and ruled the world in the 20th Century (though they didn't use a calendar based on the supposed birth year of an obscure carpenter) in a manner largely recognizable to any of us but a bit more advanced in the tech and with slavery in force as a sentence for a variety of non-violent crimes. Aliens make first contact. This is a big event until they find out about the slavery and leave, saying they'll never be back again. The modern Romans are baffled.
It's hard to talk about human rights and allow chattel slavery within your own nation. Working off a ten year sentence for writing bad checks as a servant rather than a prisoner could be a choice many would prefer.
The objection was primarily to chattel slavery, which treats the slave as subhuman property.
If this country had practiced the Roman model of slavery it would probably still be in existence today. We'd have a lot fewer people in prison.
I recall an alternate history story about an Earth where the Roman Empire had never collapsed and ruled the world in the 20th Century (though they didn't use a calendar based on the supposed birth year of an obscure carpenter) in a manner largely recognizable to any of us but a bit more advanced in the tech and with slavery in force as a sentence for a variety of non-violent crimes. Aliens make first contact. This is a big event until they find out about the slavery and leave, saying they'll never be back again. The modern Romans are baffled.
It's hard to talk about human rights and allow chattel slavery within your own nation. Working off a ten year sentence for writing bad checks as a servant rather than a prisoner could be a choice many would prefer.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (kcfmt)
536
532
Carnivorous plants?
The deuce you say!
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 02:18 AM (PIgwN)
They're oddly addictive -- and help make up for some of the lotus/waterlily ponds that don't get dunked as often as they should. We're not too far from http://www.californiacarnivores.com/
Carnivorous plants?
The deuce you say!
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 02:18 AM (PIgwN)
They're oddly addictive -- and help make up for some of the lotus/waterlily ponds that don't get dunked as often as they should. We're not too far from http://www.californiacarnivores.com/
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (kaalw)
537
i'm definitely a pro-life voter, and i definitely find the issue to be really important...not just a sort of "part of the package", sideline issue that i just happen to accept as a conservative.
like i've said before, and like someone put up here in this thread, the whole purpose of a government is to protect its citizen's rights...and a respecting of the right to life must necessarily precede any other rights...without a right to life, how can any of the other rights be guaranteed?
that being said, this is an *extremely important election*!!! although monty has long since stopped giving daily DOOM! updates (and i miss em!), the situation has only deteriorated, if anything, since he stopped updating the readers of this blog. the fact of the matter is that we are the brokest nation in the history of EVER, and if we don't get our finances under control, america as we know it -- as our parents knew it -- is going to be a utopian candy-land that only exists in the far-off memories of those lucky enough to have experienced it...at least for a LONG time!!!
BOTTOM LINE: even an extremely important social issue like abortion is NOT THE HILL TO DIE ON for this election!!!!
i've gone along with social conservative politicians, (including their politically counterproductive, exclusive anti-gay posturing) because i support their fiscal platforms, and because largely, i think a LOT of the tenets of social conservatism are actually good for society. i don't make a big fuss about having to compromise my values and my vote being taken for granted...but it seems like every election season, there is a very vocal contingent of "values voters" throwing a public fit about how they are just gonna stay at home and wilfully lose the election if politicians continue refusing to let the hardest-right socons author the party's social agenda.
...
engaging this sort of reactionary childish behaviour is, needless to say, a good way to help barack obama get another four years to continue steering the world's greatest economy toward insolvency! i'm not sure if any of the type of hard-socon "value votes" post here at AoSHQ, but if there are, i beseech you all to put the social agenda to the side for this election -- we need all of the independents we can get to make sure the chicago team can't dirty-deed their way to a fraudulent win.
we've GOT to win this election -- the future of america depends on it -- and we need all the voted we can get. we can start bickering about social issues in 2014 when the capitol gets shuffled around again...but let's set those issues aside to get romney/ryan a win on 6 nov!
like i've said before, and like someone put up here in this thread, the whole purpose of a government is to protect its citizen's rights...and a respecting of the right to life must necessarily precede any other rights...without a right to life, how can any of the other rights be guaranteed?
that being said, this is an *extremely important election*!!! although monty has long since stopped giving daily DOOM! updates (and i miss em!), the situation has only deteriorated, if anything, since he stopped updating the readers of this blog. the fact of the matter is that we are the brokest nation in the history of EVER, and if we don't get our finances under control, america as we know it -- as our parents knew it -- is going to be a utopian candy-land that only exists in the far-off memories of those lucky enough to have experienced it...at least for a LONG time!!!
BOTTOM LINE: even an extremely important social issue like abortion is NOT THE HILL TO DIE ON for this election!!!!
i've gone along with social conservative politicians, (including their politically counterproductive, exclusive anti-gay posturing) because i support their fiscal platforms, and because largely, i think a LOT of the tenets of social conservatism are actually good for society. i don't make a big fuss about having to compromise my values and my vote being taken for granted...but it seems like every election season, there is a very vocal contingent of "values voters" throwing a public fit about how they are just gonna stay at home and wilfully lose the election if politicians continue refusing to let the hardest-right socons author the party's social agenda.
...
engaging this sort of reactionary childish behaviour is, needless to say, a good way to help barack obama get another four years to continue steering the world's greatest economy toward insolvency! i'm not sure if any of the type of hard-socon "value votes" post here at AoSHQ, but if there are, i beseech you all to put the social agenda to the side for this election -- we need all of the independents we can get to make sure the chicago team can't dirty-deed their way to a fraudulent win.
we've GOT to win this election -- the future of america depends on it -- and we need all the voted we can get. we can start bickering about social issues in 2014 when the capitol gets shuffled around again...but let's set those issues aside to get romney/ryan a win on 6 nov!
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (79EF9)
538
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 01:23 AM (EflcN)
that is too funny
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:12 AM (d/5qf)
I don't know how I missed it. It reminds me when I was a teenager and one Thanksgiving our dog somehow got into the dressing. Ate a giant bowl of this stuff.
that is too funny
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:12 AM (d/5qf)
I don't know how I missed it. It reminds me when I was a teenager and one Thanksgiving our dog somehow got into the dressing. Ate a giant bowl of this stuff.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (4ixH5)
539
532
Carnivorous plants?
The deuce you say!
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 02:18 AM
Stop by the shop some time!
Carnivorous plants?
The deuce you say!
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2012 02:18 AM
Stop by the shop some time!
Posted by: Audrey II at August 26, 2012 02:25 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 02:25 AM (4ixH5)
541
Violets are blue,
Roses are red,
Crashing, but not in a car,
Rather, I just need to go to bed ...
Roses are red,
Crashing, but not in a car,
Rather, I just need to go to bed ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 02:29 AM (3RmJl)
542
oh. that logicky-thinky thing again. yeah. that just makes em mad.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 02:21 AM (r7Ddb)
Spittle-flecked rage, in fact.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 26, 2012 02:21 AM (r7Ddb)
Spittle-flecked rage, in fact.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 02:29 AM (bxiXv)
543
Roberto, sadly, no
I decided to go to a jazz club
I was a little disappointed, actually - the music was only about 1/3 jazz and about 2/3rds cover songs from the Baby Boomers' Greatest Hits (they played Imagine - ugh)
The crowd seemed to be a bit on the older side, which was good from my POV because I don't want to be at a bar with a bunch of college students - well, except for the two granny hookers, they were a bit disturbing.
And I had vodka tonics, which I had not had before, or if I had, it's been a very very long time. Actually kinda tasty. Although I think they might have been watered down, because I don't have all the highest tolerance for alcohol and after three of them I didn't really feel much of a buzz.
I decided to go to a jazz club
I was a little disappointed, actually - the music was only about 1/3 jazz and about 2/3rds cover songs from the Baby Boomers' Greatest Hits (they played Imagine - ugh)
The crowd seemed to be a bit on the older side, which was good from my POV because I don't want to be at a bar with a bunch of college students - well, except for the two granny hookers, they were a bit disturbing.
And I had vodka tonics, which I had not had before, or if I had, it's been a very very long time. Actually kinda tasty. Although I think they might have been watered down, because I don't have all the highest tolerance for alcohol and after three of them I didn't really feel much of a buzz.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:29 AM (d/5qf)
544
""Delaware: What you get when you're driving south and you've run out of New Jersey""
Just far enough to where you have to flush twice.
Just far enough to where you have to flush twice.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 02:30 AM (FMbng)
545
Jokes are delightful,
But ouch! avoid the puns,
Better day tomorrow,
And Good Night, everyones ...
But ouch! avoid the puns,
Better day tomorrow,
And Good Night, everyones ...
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (3RmJl)
546
I've been thinking about this . I'm not sure I'm ready to defend a blastula with the full force of morality and the law.
An embryo with a nervous system, yes. But not a clump of cells. I'm not sure yet.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:17 AM (csi6Y)
I think this is why the debate gets a little out of hand. People have different opinions on when the "spark of life" happens. Some at conception, some, like you with a nervous system, others when it is viable outside the womb, some when the child is born, others like Obama on the child's 18th birthday.
I've been thinking about this . I'm not sure I'm ready to defend a blastula with the full force of morality and the law.
An embryo with a nervous system, yes. But not a clump of cells. I'm not sure yet.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:17 AM (csi6Y)
I think this is why the debate gets a little out of hand. People have different opinions on when the "spark of life" happens. Some at conception, some, like you with a nervous system, others when it is viable outside the womb, some when the child is born, others like Obama on the child's 18th birthday.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (1grxW)
547
We're drifting apart...
Deep Blue Something's "Breakfast at Tiffany's":
http://youtu.be/sDwmCFgoiE8
Deep Blue Something's "Breakfast at Tiffany's":
http://youtu.be/sDwmCFgoiE8
Posted by: derit at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (ruiF1)
548
goodnight, Adriane
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:32 AM (d/5qf)
550
@522
arise, arise, he cried so loud/
to his army on parole/
come out, ye welfare kings and queens/
and let's go down to poll/
you may not have two voting cards/
which you can call your own/
but vote in someone else's name/
and know you're not alone!
arise, arise, he cried so loud/
to his army on parole/
come out, ye welfare kings and queens/
and let's go down to poll/
you may not have two voting cards/
which you can call your own/
but vote in someone else's name/
and know you're not alone!
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 02:32 AM (79EF9)
551
It isn't so much the popularity of slavery that diminished as the practicality. As was discussed here last night, the eradication of chattel slavery was guaranteed with or without the civil war. The citizens of the Soviet Union were not in chattel slaves in the true sense and look how much difficulty they has operating an industrial civilization when far too much of the population just didn't give a shit if the order for ten thousand pairs of shoes consisted of a rational distribution of sizes or had 9999 pairs in size 9 wide and the remaining pair in two different sizes for Yuri's wife who was a bit lopsided.
The Chinese are a bit better at it but there regime has had to loosen up as they get more modernized on the production side. A suicidal person can do some very expensive damage to costly equipment.
The Chinese are a bit better at it but there regime has had to loosen up as they get more modernized on the production side. A suicidal person can do some very expensive damage to costly equipment.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:32 AM (kcfmt)
552
others like Obama on the child's 18th birthday.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (1grxW)
and that date depends on which way they intend to vote.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (1grxW)
and that date depends on which way they intend to vote.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:33 AM (ufJKx)
553
yeah good night Adriane, dream of Paul Ryan
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:33 AM (d/5qf)
554
and with slavery in force as a sentence for a
variety of non-violent crimes.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (kcfmt)
Slavery is legal in the US as a punishment for crime, as is fair and reasonable. That was the caveat in the XIII amendment:
Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for
crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Benedickhead Roberts dtermined that involuntary servitude is always legal ... so long as someone calls it a "tax", but only after it isn't a "tax" for purposes of the anti-injunction act ...
variety of non-violent crimes.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (kcfmt)
Slavery is legal in the US as a punishment for crime, as is fair and reasonable. That was the caveat in the XIII amendment:
Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for
crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Benedickhead Roberts dtermined that involuntary servitude is always legal ... so long as someone calls it a "tax", but only after it isn't a "tax" for purposes of the anti-injunction act ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 02:33 AM (X3lox)
555
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (79EF9)
jimi ray, you hit the nail on the head, as far as I'm concerned.
Damn, will this insomnia never leave me?
jimi ray, you hit the nail on the head, as far as I'm concerned.
Damn, will this insomnia never leave me?
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 02:35 AM (EflcN)
556
hmm so Roman-style slavery *is* legal here in the US?
interesting...
I hope Mittens remembers this when he wins and starts to open up those FEMA camps
interesting...
I hope Mittens remembers this when he wins and starts to open up those FEMA camps
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:35 AM (d/5qf)
557
Damn, will this insomnia never leave me?
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 02:35 AM (EflcN)
try eating some turkey
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 02:35 AM (EflcN)
try eating some turkey
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:36 AM (d/5qf)
558
oh please don't tell me that I killed the ONT?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:37 AM (d/5qf)
559
I hope Mittens remembers this when he wins and starts to open up those FEMA camps
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:35 AM (d/5qf)
FEMALE camps? I'm in!
I hope Mittens remembers this when he wins and starts to open up those FEMA camps
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:35 AM (d/5qf)
FEMALE camps? I'm in!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 02:38 AM (X3lox)
560
Good night, Adriane!
Sweet dreams of Ben Browder measuring you for a better fitting bra what doesn't spontaneously fly off at moderate speeds.
Sweet dreams of Ben Browder measuring you for a better fitting bra what doesn't spontaneously fly off at moderate speeds.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 02:38 AM (4ixH5)
561
>>>I think this is why the debate gets a little out of hand. People have different opinions on when the "spark of life" happens. Some at conception, some, like you with a nervous system, others when it is viable outside the womb, some when the child is born, others like Obama on the child's 18th birthday.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (1grxW)
Well, the spark of life happens when they meet, according to science.
I think it's more about what constitutes a "person." In my thoughts that is the ability to feel in conjunction with memory. So far anyway.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (1grxW)
Well, the spark of life happens when they meet, according to science.
I think it's more about what constitutes a "person." In my thoughts that is the ability to feel in conjunction with memory. So far anyway.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:38 AM (csi6Y)
562
engaging this sort of reactionary childish behaviour is, needless to say, a good way to help barack obama get another four years to continue steering the world's greatest economy toward insolvency!
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (79EF9)
Here is the problem, all-caps, exclamation points.
What is your motherfucking plan to deal with the problem?
Because pissing off half the party is not a plan. Do you have anything you can do to actually accomplish anything with regard to the MO fuckup, or are you just stirring up shit?
Because I haven't seen a serious plan all week, just shit-stirring.
The only "plan" seems to be "focus all attention on this problem, use it to piss off your allies, but do NOTHING productive to solve the problem."
If you have a plan to put dicktard out, please, do tell. If you don't have a plan, why stir up shit by blaming an entire group of people, most of whom have been AGREEING WITH YOU about the problem, they just don't have a solution either.
The first day or two, pretty much nobody was saying anything but the guy was an idiot. Pretty much just the trolls and people pissed off about the Socon! whining are the ones "supporting" him.
The GOP can't just overturn elections, and if they did what do you think we would get, more Ryans or more Akins and Scozzofavas?
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 02:22 AM (79EF9)
Here is the problem, all-caps, exclamation points.
What is your motherfucking plan to deal with the problem?
Because pissing off half the party is not a plan. Do you have anything you can do to actually accomplish anything with regard to the MO fuckup, or are you just stirring up shit?
Because I haven't seen a serious plan all week, just shit-stirring.
The only "plan" seems to be "focus all attention on this problem, use it to piss off your allies, but do NOTHING productive to solve the problem."
If you have a plan to put dicktard out, please, do tell. If you don't have a plan, why stir up shit by blaming an entire group of people, most of whom have been AGREEING WITH YOU about the problem, they just don't have a solution either.
The first day or two, pretty much nobody was saying anything but the guy was an idiot. Pretty much just the trolls and people pissed off about the Socon! whining are the ones "supporting" him.
The GOP can't just overturn elections, and if they did what do you think we would get, more Ryans or more Akins and Scozzofavas?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 02:38 AM (bxiXv)
563
oh please don't tell me that I killed the ONT?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:37 AM (d/5qf)
I was just at Insty's opening ten thousand links.
You know what this ONT needs more of?
Circumcision talk.
http://tinyurl.com/8ow7ume
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:37 AM (d/5qf)
I was just at Insty's opening ten thousand links.
You know what this ONT needs more of?
Circumcision talk.
http://tinyurl.com/8ow7ume
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 02:39 AM (4ixH5)
564
#546
It's impossible to satisfy everyone on such an issue. Look how impassioned we can get on trivial stuff that has no lives in the balance. At some point you have to draw a line and say this is the cut off point most of us can live with. If Akin had said something like that and not delved into biology, there would still be people screaming for his head on a pike but they be far less numerous and mostly concentrated in the opposition.
Humans aren't perfect nor perfectible. As such nor can our laws be perfect or perfectible. We can but seek the most good with the least harm from the unforeseen consequences. Most often this is achieved by minimizing legal intervention in the lives of those not directly violating the rights of another. This also means we must at some point draw a limit on who falls under the class 'another.' Or when something get to be a who instead of a what.
It's impossible to satisfy everyone on such an issue. Look how impassioned we can get on trivial stuff that has no lives in the balance. At some point you have to draw a line and say this is the cut off point most of us can live with. If Akin had said something like that and not delved into biology, there would still be people screaming for his head on a pike but they be far less numerous and mostly concentrated in the opposition.
Humans aren't perfect nor perfectible. As such nor can our laws be perfect or perfectible. We can but seek the most good with the least harm from the unforeseen consequences. Most often this is achieved by minimizing legal intervention in the lives of those not directly violating the rights of another. This also means we must at some point draw a limit on who falls under the class 'another.' Or when something get to be a who instead of a what.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:40 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:41 AM (d/5qf)
566
most prevalent version of modern U.S. slavery --
me -- quits job. sits on ass at home in my wifebeater watching cable TV. collects check for food, rent, and a lot of other stuff. I own 100% of my time (less the time spent filling out gov't forms, but Acorn will do that for me). Now, I use my time in pretty shitty ways, but nonetheless I own 100% of it.
you -- work and pay tax. from Jan 1 to mid May all your work belongs to assholes like me.
Obama -- "that's not FAIR, you should have to work until July to pay assholes like him."
me -- quits job. sits on ass at home in my wifebeater watching cable TV. collects check for food, rent, and a lot of other stuff. I own 100% of my time (less the time spent filling out gov't forms, but Acorn will do that for me). Now, I use my time in pretty shitty ways, but nonetheless I own 100% of it.
you -- work and pay tax. from Jan 1 to mid May all your work belongs to assholes like me.
Obama -- "that's not FAIR, you should have to work until July to pay assholes like him."
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:43 AM (ufJKx)
567
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 02:12 AM (kaalw)
It's kinda weird, although maybe it shouldn't be unexpected, to see an Old One so concerned about fishies.
"Cthulhu loves his children too", as Sting might have sung.
(On an unrelated note, it's interesting that a lot of the Sov dick-sucking by popular musicians occurred just as that murderous backwards regime was collapsing. How stupid do you feel about your moral equivalence now, you clueless fucking assholes?)
It's kinda weird, although maybe it shouldn't be unexpected, to see an Old One so concerned about fishies.
"Cthulhu loves his children too", as Sting might have sung.
(On an unrelated note, it's interesting that a lot of the Sov dick-sucking by popular musicians occurred just as that murderous backwards regime was collapsing. How stupid do you feel about your moral equivalence now, you clueless fucking assholes?)
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 26, 2012 02:43 AM (8NimM)
568
only if you use a crossbow to do it
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:41 AM (d/5qf)
Fired by a ginger.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:41 AM (d/5qf)
Fired by a ginger.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 02:43 AM (4ixH5)
569
Obama -- "that's not FAIR, you should have to work until July to pay assholes like him."
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:43 AM (ufJKx)
Obama spreads his wealth...IN YOUR ASS!
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:43 AM (ufJKx)
Obama spreads his wealth...IN YOUR ASS!
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 02:45 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: derit at August 26, 2012 02:46 AM (ruiF1)
571
>>>Or when something get to be a who instead of a what.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:40 AM (kcfmt)
That's what pisses me off about the Supreme Court decision. They never actually ruled on whether abortion is in violation of the Constitution vis-a-vis the 14th amendment.
They just screwed around with a bunch of medical conjecture, as if the Supreme Court's responsibility is to shoot the breeze instead of, you know, judge whether a law violates the Constitution or not.
That decision was total bullshit.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:40 AM (kcfmt)
That's what pisses me off about the Supreme Court decision. They never actually ruled on whether abortion is in violation of the Constitution vis-a-vis the 14th amendment.
They just screwed around with a bunch of medical conjecture, as if the Supreme Court's responsibility is to shoot the breeze instead of, you know, judge whether a law violates the Constitution or not.
That decision was total bullshit.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:46 AM (csi6Y)
572
#554
Well, of course. This is why we have prisoners doing a variety of tasks, like the ever popular license plate making, at a fraction of the nationally mandated minimum wage. And what they do earn can be seized for restitution, depending on the state.
We are now faced with cutting short the sentences of many non-violent offenders due to budget shortfalls and the undesirability of reducing sentences on violent criminals. Taking a guy like Bernie Madoff and having him work in a homeless shelter for room and board would be more useful and less costly than keeping him locked up. Put an ankle bracelet on him that injects a strong sedative of his whereabouts cannot be determined for too long and he should be easily managed.
Well, of course. This is why we have prisoners doing a variety of tasks, like the ever popular license plate making, at a fraction of the nationally mandated minimum wage. And what they do earn can be seized for restitution, depending on the state.
We are now faced with cutting short the sentences of many non-violent offenders due to budget shortfalls and the undesirability of reducing sentences on violent criminals. Taking a guy like Bernie Madoff and having him work in a homeless shelter for room and board would be more useful and less costly than keeping him locked up. Put an ankle bracelet on him that injects a strong sedative of his whereabouts cannot be determined for too long and he should be easily managed.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:48 AM (kcfmt)
573
Well, the spark of life happens when they meet, according to science.
I think it's more about what constitutes a "person." In my thoughts
that is the ability to feel in conjunction with memory. So far anyway.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:38 AM (csi6Y)
Not that spark, but when it becomes sentient.
Well, the spark of life happens when they meet, according to science.
I think it's more about what constitutes a "person." In my thoughts
that is the ability to feel in conjunction with memory. So far anyway.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:38 AM (csi6Y)
Not that spark, but when it becomes sentient.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:48 AM (1grxW)
574
You know what this ONT needs more of?
Circumcision talk.
only if you use a crossbow to do it
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:41 AM (d/5qf)
Challenge accepted.
Now hold very, very still...
Circumcision talk.
only if you use a crossbow to do it
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:41 AM (d/5qf)
Challenge accepted.
Now hold very, very still...
Posted by: Rabbi Tuckman at August 26, 2012 02:48 AM (sZTYJ)
575
>>>Not that spark, but when it becomes sentient.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:48 AM (1grxW)
Sentience is capacity for feeling. So that's when it gets the nervous system.
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:48 AM (1grxW)
Sentience is capacity for feeling. So that's when it gets the nervous system.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:49 AM (csi6Y)
576
Challenge accepted.
Now hold very, very still...
Posted by: Rabbi Tuckman at August 26, 2012 02:48 AM (sZTYJ)
Oh come now, you're slipping with your sock quality
That should have been from "Rabbi Shaky Shakeberg"
Now hold very, very still...
Posted by: Rabbi Tuckman at August 26, 2012 02:48 AM (sZTYJ)
Oh come now, you're slipping with your sock quality
That should have been from "Rabbi Shaky Shakeberg"
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:50 AM (d/5qf)
577
as if the Supreme Court's responsibility is to shoot
the breeze instead of, you know, judge whether a law violates the
Constitution or not.
That decision was total bullshit.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:46 AM (csi6Y)
===
I nominate this description for the "over 50% of all decisions" category.
the breeze instead of, you know, judge whether a law violates the
Constitution or not.
That decision was total bullshit.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:46 AM (csi6Y)
===
I nominate this description for the "over 50% of all decisions" category.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:50 AM (ufJKx)
578
I *like* Tropic Thunder, I just can't watch it for a whole week on the blogosphere. Probably next week too.
http://youtu.be/X6WHBO_Qc-Q
http://youtu.be/X6WHBO_Qc-Q
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 02:52 AM (bxiXv)
579
I think this is why the debate gets a little out of hand. People have different opinions on when the "spark of life" happens. Some at conception, some, like you with a nervous system, others when it is viable outside the womb, some when the child is born, others like Obama on the child's 18th birthday. Posted by: MrCaniac at August 26, 2012 02:31 AM (1grxW)
If you could time travel back to a northern town circa 1855, and could ask people about the slavery question, you would find many people who would say "Slavery is wrong. It should be abolished." (You would also find a fair number of people who were indifferent about it. ) A smaller number would agree with the statement, "Blacks are equal to whites." And an even smaller group would accept the idea that blacks should be able to run for office and marry whites. That's not because those people were "evil." It's because they were creatures of their time. The pro-life movement would do well to remember the point MrCaniac makes and concentrate their fire on things most Americans who are not pro-choice absolutists find revolting, like partial birth abortion.
It's always been interesting to me that pro-abortion liberals denounce southern slaveholders as evil, but it never seems to occur to them that in 100 years, they might be seen and condemned in exactly the same light. But then, libs are not very self-aware, are they?
If you could time travel back to a northern town circa 1855, and could ask people about the slavery question, you would find many people who would say "Slavery is wrong. It should be abolished." (You would also find a fair number of people who were indifferent about it. ) A smaller number would agree with the statement, "Blacks are equal to whites." And an even smaller group would accept the idea that blacks should be able to run for office and marry whites. That's not because those people were "evil." It's because they were creatures of their time. The pro-life movement would do well to remember the point MrCaniac makes and concentrate their fire on things most Americans who are not pro-choice absolutists find revolting, like partial birth abortion.
It's always been interesting to me that pro-abortion liberals denounce southern slaveholders as evil, but it never seems to occur to them that in 100 years, they might be seen and condemned in exactly the same light. But then, libs are not very self-aware, are they?
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 02:52 AM (EflcN)
580
>>>I nominate this description for the "over 50% of all decisions" category.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:50 AM (ufJKx)
Well, at least the other ones were fulfilling the role of the judicial branch, judicial review, as determined by Marbury vs. Madison.
Roe v. Wade is just "hey, we're too cowardly to use judicial review..."
followed by
"but we'd be happy to indulge in some metaphysical wild-ass guessing!!"
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:50 AM (ufJKx)
Well, at least the other ones were fulfilling the role of the judicial branch, judicial review, as determined by Marbury vs. Madison.
Roe v. Wade is just "hey, we're too cowardly to use judicial review..."
followed by
"but we'd be happy to indulge in some metaphysical wild-ass guessing!!"
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 02:52 AM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Taxin' John Roberts at August 26, 2012 02:53 AM (d/5qf)
582
A commentor on YouTube put it best for the "Star Wars Detour" thing, as far as I saw. "Like Robot Chicken, without the funny." RC was generally pretty worshipful of Lucas, with an occasional bite thrown in...this new one seems to be just all worship.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 26, 2012 02:54 AM (i0App)
583
All zis talk ov ze shpark ov life undt no vun azkz ze exzpert?
Posted by: Doctor Frahnkensteen at August 26, 2012 02:54 AM (4ixH5)
584
And if you think the abortion issue is tough, just wait until we have the first dog that can pass the Turing test or a completely inorganic entity that can do the same.
What happens when somebody perfects an artificial gestation host? Will there be a push to require every embryo be brought to term rather than aborted? Who pays the cost of that new person's existence if neither parent desired it to exist? Adoptive parents might have to pick up the bill but what if the child reaches adulthood without ever being adopted? Does the debt become like a natal student loan?
What happens when somebody perfects an artificial gestation host? Will there be a push to require every embryo be brought to term rather than aborted? Who pays the cost of that new person's existence if neither parent desired it to exist? Adoptive parents might have to pick up the bill but what if the child reaches adulthood without ever being adopted? Does the debt become like a natal student loan?
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:56 AM (kcfmt)
585
FEMALE camps? I'm in!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 02:38 AM (X3lox)
The Russian Compound!! But how are we gonna ged over dere.
Ya gots have a plan.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 02:38 AM (X3lox)
The Russian Compound!! But how are we gonna ged over dere.
Ya gots have a plan.
Posted by: Harry and the Animal at August 26, 2012 02:56 AM (moZl7)
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 26, 2012 02:57 AM (cHZB7)
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:57 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:57 AM (kcfmt)
589
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:56 AM (kcfmt)
===
I have a whole bunch of stuff I need to fret about next week. Would you mind doing it for me? You are pretty good at it.
===
I have a whole bunch of stuff I need to fret about next week. Would you mind doing it for me? You are pretty good at it.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:58 AM (ufJKx)
590
chemjeff, if only I had some turkey! I poured myself a couple of glasses of wine, thinking that would do the trick, but it's like I drank a couple of Red Bulls. I haven't had a good night's sleep in a week.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 02:59 AM (EflcN)
591
I went to see the movie "2016" tonight, and had a fine dinner at Chick-fil-A before it. (CFA is next to the theater.)
But when I returned home and turned on my computer, I learned that Neil Armstrong had died. That kind of took the wind out of my sails.
Rand Simberg has a nice tribute at PJM:
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2012/08/25/first-man-neil-armstrong-1930-2012/?singlepage=true
But when I returned home and turned on my computer, I learned that Neil Armstrong had died. That kind of took the wind out of my sails.
Rand Simberg has a nice tribute at PJM:
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2012/08/25/first-man-neil-armstrong-1930-2012/?singlepage=true
Posted by: rickl at August 26, 2012 03:00 AM (sdi6R)
592
yeah I'd like to outsource my fretting too
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 03:00 AM (d/5qf)
593
I have a whole bunch of stuff I need to fret about next week. Would you mind doing it for me? You are pretty good at it.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:58 AM (ufJKx)
Vould you like me to attach a zecond head to your fvrame?
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 02:58 AM (ufJKx)
Vould you like me to attach a zecond head to your fvrame?
Posted by: Doctor Frahnkensteen at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (d/5qf)
595
I try to take a balanced approach to abortion, well maybe a barbarian's view anyway. First thing, fuck these women and their golden key to the crapper mentality where they think they have the right to just kill the fetus because its in the way of them being the carefree ho's that they are.
On the other side of the coin, if the wife or any female close to me got raped by a scumbag and got prego, I would want the fucking thing cut out with a chainsaw so the rapist scumbag don't get to pollute the gene pool, and has zero...zero connections to the female he violated. And.....AND since we can't just put a gun against the rapist's head and blow his fucking brains out I would be all for letting his bastard grow and slitting it's throat over a gold bowl like back in the fucking bronze age if it brought pain to the motherfucker who spawned it. But thats me.
On the other side of the coin, if the wife or any female close to me got raped by a scumbag and got prego, I would want the fucking thing cut out with a chainsaw so the rapist scumbag don't get to pollute the gene pool, and has zero...zero connections to the female he violated. And.....AND since we can't just put a gun against the rapist's head and blow his fucking brains out I would be all for letting his bastard grow and slitting it's throat over a gold bowl like back in the fucking bronze age if it brought pain to the motherfucker who spawned it. But thats me.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (FMbng)
596
I haven't had a good night's sleep in a week.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 02:59 AM (EflcN)
==
I could tell you my life story. You will prolly be down in 10 minutes or less.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 02:59 AM (EflcN)
==
I could tell you my life story. You will prolly be down in 10 minutes or less.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (ufJKx)
597
@562
yes, if only i had the temerity to sit around puffing out my chest and cussing a lot on the internet, then i would really be helping out, wouldn't i?
how's this for my plan: don't sit at home and refuse to vote because the party now has to tread more softly when discussing the abortion issue.
your childish chest-banging is certainly at LEAST as plan-free as anything i said, but please don't let me spoil your indignant me-fest.
i made it very clear in my post that i wasn't blaming "half the party", but just "a very vocal minority of the hardest-right socons", pph. hell, i'm not even "blaming" anyone, i'm just asking people to kind of cool it with all of the "well, i'll throw the election on purpose, so THERE" talk.
i mean, if you're trying to make some kind of point about the hard-socon response NOT being irrational and childish...well...
honestly: does EVERYTHING have to be such a major fight? i propose we focus on the economy, put social issues on a two-year back-burner, and come together united to kick barack out of office...you respond with divisive, disrespectful apoplexy?
i guess this is just how you justify your anger: you go accusing and misrepresenting what is said so that you'll have a reason to get mad and cuss throw the money changers out of the temple. is that what's going on here?
i guess you could say my "plan" is for people to quit the knee-jerk sensitivity and focus on the bigger picture (kind of like i do when i check the box for a candidate who plays public lip service to the christian myth about gays destroying the country, for example). if we can all come together and reaslise the common ground is much bigger than ANY single social issue, we WILL be able to get romney/ryan elected and start the fiscal recovery that is now four long years overdue.
of course, it will only work if the hard-socons play along...
yes, if only i had the temerity to sit around puffing out my chest and cussing a lot on the internet, then i would really be helping out, wouldn't i?
how's this for my plan: don't sit at home and refuse to vote because the party now has to tread more softly when discussing the abortion issue.
your childish chest-banging is certainly at LEAST as plan-free as anything i said, but please don't let me spoil your indignant me-fest.
i made it very clear in my post that i wasn't blaming "half the party", but just "a very vocal minority of the hardest-right socons", pph. hell, i'm not even "blaming" anyone, i'm just asking people to kind of cool it with all of the "well, i'll throw the election on purpose, so THERE" talk.
i mean, if you're trying to make some kind of point about the hard-socon response NOT being irrational and childish...well...
honestly: does EVERYTHING have to be such a major fight? i propose we focus on the economy, put social issues on a two-year back-burner, and come together united to kick barack out of office...you respond with divisive, disrespectful apoplexy?
i guess this is just how you justify your anger: you go accusing and misrepresenting what is said so that you'll have a reason to get mad and cuss throw the money changers out of the temple. is that what's going on here?
i guess you could say my "plan" is for people to quit the knee-jerk sensitivity and focus on the bigger picture (kind of like i do when i check the box for a candidate who plays public lip service to the christian myth about gays destroying the country, for example). if we can all come together and reaslise the common ground is much bigger than ANY single social issue, we WILL be able to get romney/ryan elected and start the fiscal recovery that is now four long years overdue.
of course, it will only work if the hard-socons play along...
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 03:03 AM (79EF9)
598
But thats me.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (FMbng)
Anyone want to know what I think?
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (FMbng)
Anyone want to know what I think?
Posted by: Michael Dukakis at August 26, 2012 03:03 AM (4ixH5)
599
I could tell you my life story. You will prolly be down in 10 minutes or less.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (ufJKx)
I remember when I was young. I was the fastest sperm in the sac...
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (ufJKx)
I remember when I was young. I was the fastest sperm in the sac...
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 03:04 AM (4ixH5)
600
#589
I've been an SF reader since 1970, after someone misread the instructions and taught me to read. I've been reading about things to fret about, from the imminent to the extremely improbable, for a very long time and don't expect to run out any century soon.
Which means I also have to fret over what to do over such a lengthy lifespan.
I've been an SF reader since 1970, after someone misread the instructions and taught me to read. I've been reading about things to fret about, from the imminent to the extremely improbable, for a very long time and don't expect to run out any century soon.
Which means I also have to fret over what to do over such a lengthy lifespan.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 03:05 AM (kcfmt)
601
A call to delurk...
Spanky Our Gang's "Sunday will never be the same / I'd like to get to know you":
http://youtu.be/Lj7Dz85KGMU
Spanky Our Gang's "Sunday will never be the same / I'd like to get to know you":
http://youtu.be/Lj7Dz85KGMU
Posted by: derit at August 26, 2012 03:05 AM (ruiF1)
602
>>>just wait until we have the first dog that can pass the Turing test or a completely inorganic entity that can do the same.
You won't have to worry about this shit because it'll never happen.
You won't have to worry about this shit because it'll never happen.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 03:05 AM (csi6Y)
603
Anyone want to know what I think?
Posted by: Michael Dukakis at August 26, 2012 03:03 AM (4ixH5)
===
heard it. you actually made Bush seem like a good idea. gotta hand it to you. that was a really tough thing to accomplish.
Posted by: Michael Dukakis at August 26, 2012 03:03 AM (4ixH5)
===
heard it. you actually made Bush seem like a good idea. gotta hand it to you. that was a really tough thing to accomplish.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:06 AM (ufJKx)
604
Anyone want to know what I think?
Posted by: Michael Dukakis at August 26, 2012 03:03 AM (4ixH5)
go crawl back into your tank you putz
Posted by: Michael Dukakis at August 26, 2012 03:03 AM (4ixH5)
go crawl back into your tank you putz
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 03:06 AM (d/5qf)
605
oops
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 03:06 AM (d/5qf)
606
As a practical matter, the combination of having women control abortion and legally favoring women in childcare disputes is toxic.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 03:06 AM (kaalw)
607
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 03:01 AM (FMbng)
I'd also be in favor of suctioning out the fetal remains and making the guy fucking choke on it.
Little salt and pepper. Maybe some paprika...
I'd also be in favor of suctioning out the fetal remains and making the guy fucking choke on it.
Little salt and pepper. Maybe some paprika...
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 03:07 AM (4ixH5)
608
melatonin? Nope. I must remember to bring new departmental policies and procedures home with me from work. They certainly induce sleep when I'm sitting at my desk reading them at 2 in the afternoon.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 26, 2012 03:07 AM (EflcN)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 03:08 AM (d/5qf)
610
Heck, I've got a solution that will make no abortion ever crowd AND Sandra Fluke happy at the same time.
At birth, all females get an implanted device on their fallopian tubes. It detects an incoming egg and zaps it to non viability. It takes a visit to the Bureau Of Fertility Permits to turn the zapper off so you can get pregnant. The device also checks the egg for chromosomal abnormalities and still zaps it if it doesn't pass.
No unwanted pregnancies, no birth control measures needed. Easy peezy. Who's in?
At birth, all females get an implanted device on their fallopian tubes. It detects an incoming egg and zaps it to non viability. It takes a visit to the Bureau Of Fertility Permits to turn the zapper off so you can get pregnant. The device also checks the egg for chromosomal abnormalities and still zaps it if it doesn't pass.
No unwanted pregnancies, no birth control measures needed. Easy peezy. Who's in?
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 26, 2012 03:08 AM (cHZB7)
611
Good night, Jefe!
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 03:09 AM (4ixH5)
612
I remember when I was young. I was the fastest sperm in the sac...
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 03:04 AM (4ixH5)
http://tinyurl.com/992sfjn
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 03:04 AM (4ixH5)
http://tinyurl.com/992sfjn
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:10 AM (ufJKx)
Posted by: Chinese Communists at August 26, 2012 03:10 AM (4ixH5)
614
http://tinyurl.com/992sfjn
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:10 AM (ufJKx)
Damnable woik block!
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:10 AM (ufJKx)
Damnable woik block!
Posted by: Chinese Communists at August 26, 2012 03:11 AM (4ixH5)
615
@602
why not?
what if we modelled an electrical system that precisely recreated the electrical functionality of the human brain?
surely, in several decades, we'll be *well* on our way to a full mapping of the neuronal and glial networks of the human brain...i don't think it's too much a stretch to consider that sometime many years further down the line, we'll develop the ability to recreate the functional processing of various input stimuli that takes place in the brain on a purely biological level, is it?
what if such a machine was used in the turing test?
why not?
what if we modelled an electrical system that precisely recreated the electrical functionality of the human brain?
surely, in several decades, we'll be *well* on our way to a full mapping of the neuronal and glial networks of the human brain...i don't think it's too much a stretch to consider that sometime many years further down the line, we'll develop the ability to recreate the functional processing of various input stimuli that takes place in the brain on a purely biological level, is it?
what if such a machine was used in the turing test?
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 03:11 AM (79EF9)
616
enormous advancement in the quest to isolate the gullible gene found intermixed with the totally ineffectual bullshit poseur gene
http://tinyurl.com/959muuw
http://tinyurl.com/959muuw
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:13 AM (ufJKx)
617
610 Posted by: GnuBreed
Due to the Bureau of Medicine and Wellness' increased expenses, we have had to reduce spending on the fallopian implants and will instead be replacing them with much more cost effective birth controlling gas chambers. If population continues to increase, we'll be combining them with the already in place burden relief gas chambers for the elderly. Thank you for your cooperation.
610 Posted by: GnuBreed
Due to the Bureau of Medicine and Wellness' increased expenses, we have had to reduce spending on the fallopian implants and will instead be replacing them with much more cost effective birth controlling gas chambers. If population continues to increase, we'll be combining them with the already in place burden relief gas chambers for the elderly. Thank you for your cooperation.
Posted by: Bureau of Fertility at August 26, 2012 03:14 AM (tsC/8)
618
The ultimate scenario in case of rape is for the rapist to be captured, hormonally modified, forced to carry the result to term and give birth without anesthesia, and denied any contact with the child or biological mother thereafter......and then placed under court order for anonymous child support.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 26, 2012 03:15 AM (kaalw)
619
Damnable woik block!
Posted by: Chinese Communists at August 26, 2012 03:11 AM (4ixH5)
sperm scene from woody allen movie with a bullshit greenpeace twist.
Damnable woik block!
Posted by: Chinese Communists at August 26, 2012 03:11 AM (4ixH5)
sperm scene from woody allen movie with a bullshit greenpeace twist.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 03:16 AM (ufJKx)
620
Nice save CJ
Posted by: Zakn at August 26, 2012 03:17 AM (q/891)
621
""The ultimate scenario in case of rape is for the rapist to be captured,
hormonally modified, forced to carry the result to term and give birth
without anesthesia, and denied any contact with the child or biological
mother thereafter......and then placed under court order for anonymous
child support.""
Oh thats goood. I like it.
hormonally modified, forced to carry the result to term and give birth
without anesthesia, and denied any contact with the child or biological
mother thereafter......and then placed under court order for anonymous
child support.""
Oh thats goood. I like it.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2012 03:19 AM (FMbng)
622
Well, I'm just late enough for a sock comment. What's crackin', crackers? We talking 'bout... uh... rape in here? Y....aaayyyyy
Posted by: Z Ryan at August 26, 2012 03:19 AM (tsC/8)
623
#610
One idea I've played with over many years, when I get the idea I should take up writing fiction, is a virus that cause universal sterility in humans. It suppresses fertility rather than damaging the equipment, and it can be temporarily suppressed by ingestion of a substance that can be derived from plants found nearly everywhere humans live in large numbers.
The very nasty taste of this substance is such that most people wouldn't let it in their mouth without the intent to conceive offspring. But it is easily available to the great majority of people at little or no cost once the word gets around.
From there the story seeks to describe the positive and negative effects of this. Unwanted children become extremely rare but problems arise as a severe shortage of young able bodied workers looms. And so on.
One idea I've played with over many years, when I get the idea I should take up writing fiction, is a virus that cause universal sterility in humans. It suppresses fertility rather than damaging the equipment, and it can be temporarily suppressed by ingestion of a substance that can be derived from plants found nearly everywhere humans live in large numbers.
The very nasty taste of this substance is such that most people wouldn't let it in their mouth without the intent to conceive offspring. But it is easily available to the great majority of people at little or no cost once the word gets around.
From there the story seeks to describe the positive and negative effects of this. Unwanted children become extremely rare but problems arise as a severe shortage of young able bodied workers looms. And so on.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 03:20 AM (kcfmt)
624
#618
Sounds like a Jack Chalker story. He did a few variations on that but the most specific example would be in the prequel book of the Flux and Anchor series.
Sounds like a Jack Chalker story. He did a few variations on that but the most specific example would be in the prequel book of the Flux and Anchor series.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 03:22 AM (kcfmt)
625
>>>what if we modelled an electrical system that precisely recreated the electrical functionality of the human brain?
That's a lot more complicated than you think, especially because the functions of thought and memory may involve quantum mechanics and we don't even have a Grand Unified Theory yet.
>>>surely, in several decades, we'll be *well* on our way to a full mapping of the neuronal and glial networks of the human brain
You vastly overestimate the march of technology. The explanation for how patients can function with early lobotomies is still "the brain is better able to adapt earlier in life." That's it.
>>>what if such a machine was used in the turing test?
Such a machine would also have to "learn" the intricacies of language to pass the Turing test, including all the sensitivities of context and order. It would also have to extract the meaning of intent from conversation. Would it even be "motivated" to do so?
That's a lot more complicated than you think, especially because the functions of thought and memory may involve quantum mechanics and we don't even have a Grand Unified Theory yet.
>>>surely, in several decades, we'll be *well* on our way to a full mapping of the neuronal and glial networks of the human brain
You vastly overestimate the march of technology. The explanation for how patients can function with early lobotomies is still "the brain is better able to adapt earlier in life." That's it.
>>>what if such a machine was used in the turing test?
Such a machine would also have to "learn" the intricacies of language to pass the Turing test, including all the sensitivities of context and order. It would also have to extract the meaning of intent from conversation. Would it even be "motivated" to do so?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 03:22 AM (csi6Y)
626
Oh come now, you're slipping with your sock quality
That should have been from "Rabbi Shaky Shakeberg"
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:50 AM (d/5qf)
Eh... Went for the Mel Brooks reference...
That should have been from "Rabbi Shaky Shakeberg"
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2012 02:50 AM (d/5qf)
Eh... Went for the Mel Brooks reference...
Posted by: Rabbi Tuckman at August 26, 2012 03:23 AM (sZTYJ)
627
Would it even be "motivated" to do so?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 03:22 AM (csi6Y)
Let me tell you what motivates me, fleshbag.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 03:22 AM (csi6Y)
Let me tell you what motivates me, fleshbag.
Posted by: Skynet at August 26, 2012 03:25 AM (4ixH5)
628
Y....aaayyyyy
Posted by: Z Ryan at August 26, 2012 03:19 AM (tsC/
Let me tell you, it was the best time I ever had.
Posted by: Z Ryan at August 26, 2012 03:19 AM (tsC/
Let me tell you, it was the best time I ever had.
Posted by: Zombie Andrea Dworkin Scarfing Down A Dozen Footlongs at August 26, 2012 03:27 AM (4ixH5)
629
What happens when somebody perfects an artificial gestation host? Will there be a push to require every embryo be brought to term rather than aborted? Who pays the cost of that new person's existence if neither parent desired it to exist? Adoptive parents might have to pick up the bill but what if the child reaches adulthood without ever being adopted? Does the debt become like a natal student loan?
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:56 AM (kcfmt)
I'm holding out for the Tleilaxu axlotl tanks...
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:56 AM (kcfmt)
I'm holding out for the Tleilaxu axlotl tanks...
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 26, 2012 03:27 AM (sZTYJ)
630
Circumcision by crossbow?
"Now hold still. You might feel a little prick."
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 26, 2012 02:57 AM (cHZB7)
I do... all the time...
*smiles*
"Now hold still. You might feel a little prick."
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 26, 2012 02:57 AM (cHZB7)
I do... all the time...
*smiles*
Posted by: Harry Reid, Connoiseur of little pricks at August 26, 2012 03:30 AM (sZTYJ)
631
Do you people understand how hard it is to find a man big enough to simply penetrate past the moldy jelly rolls? Huh?
Posted by: Zombie Andrea Dworkin Working On Six Dozen Bacon Cheeseburgers at August 26, 2012 03:31 AM (4ixH5)
632
The Turing Test? There's an annual competition for that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loebner_Prize
Tell me Decker, how many cross references did you have to use to spot her?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loebner_Prize
Tell me Decker, how many cross references did you have to use to spot her?
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 26, 2012 03:32 AM (cHZB7)
633
I figgered out what's been bugging me about the pix at the top. somebody modified a squirrel to make it lose 83% of it's IQ. what kind of asshole would set out to create a retarded squirrel?
Posted by: Dr. Moreau at August 26, 2012 03:36 AM (ufJKx)
634
Tell me Decker, how many cross references did you have to use to spot her?
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 26, 2012 03:32 AM (cHZB7)
Is this testing whether I'm a replicant or a lesbian?
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 26, 2012 03:32 AM (cHZB7)
Is this testing whether I'm a replicant or a lesbian?
Posted by: Rachael at August 26, 2012 03:42 AM (sZTYJ)
635
ONT, wheres the recipes and married people flirting, damn, this is not what I was expecting.
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 03:43 AM (EPbpF)
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:44 AM (LRFds)
637
#634
Both, for double hotness and disposibility.
As reality demonstrated, a Sean Young has a very short useful life. Best if they expire before the crazy sets in.
Both, for double hotness and disposibility.
As reality demonstrated, a Sean Young has a very short useful life. Best if they expire before the crazy sets in.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 03:47 AM (kcfmt)
638
any Justified fans still on?
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:47 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 26, 2012 03:47 AM (xKC/c)
640
yes, if only i had the temerity to sit around puffing out my chest and cussing a lot on the internet, then i would really be helping out, wouldn't i?
Well, you don't always cuss, but other than that it's an apt description of what you're doing.
how's this for my plan: don't sit at home and refuse to vote because the party now has to tread more softly when discussing the abortion issue.
Then I'd think you would stop hectoring everybody about it, because you are doing EXACTLY the opposite of what you're saying.
your childish chest-banging is certainly at LEAST as plan-free as anything i said, but please don't let me spoil your indignant me-fest.
Don't bother to pretend you read what I've been saying for the last week.
i made it very clear in my post that i wasn't blaming "half the party", but just "a very vocal minority of the hardest-right socons", pph. hell, i'm not even "blaming" anyone, i'm just asking people to kind of cool it with all of the "well, i'll throw the election on purpose, so THERE" talk.
If you wanted people to cool it for a second you would stop jumping on their backs. It's all several people, including you, have been doing all damned week.
Look,m I'm done, You all can try to drag the fucking civil war back into play, do it by your damned selves.
You have just accused me of everything you've been doing all week long, all I asked was consider knocking it the Hell off and do what we CAN do to win the damned election.
Instead, it's OH NOES, MUST SPLIT THE PARTY, but somehow that means *I'm* the one trying to do that, because I said stop doing it.
Total sense, that.
Well, you don't always cuss, but other than that it's an apt description of what you're doing.
how's this for my plan: don't sit at home and refuse to vote because the party now has to tread more softly when discussing the abortion issue.
Then I'd think you would stop hectoring everybody about it, because you are doing EXACTLY the opposite of what you're saying.
your childish chest-banging is certainly at LEAST as plan-free as anything i said, but please don't let me spoil your indignant me-fest.
Don't bother to pretend you read what I've been saying for the last week.
i made it very clear in my post that i wasn't blaming "half the party", but just "a very vocal minority of the hardest-right socons", pph. hell, i'm not even "blaming" anyone, i'm just asking people to kind of cool it with all of the "well, i'll throw the election on purpose, so THERE" talk.
If you wanted people to cool it for a second you would stop jumping on their backs. It's all several people, including you, have been doing all damned week.
Look,m I'm done, You all can try to drag the fucking civil war back into play, do it by your damned selves.
You have just accused me of everything you've been doing all week long, all I asked was consider knocking it the Hell off and do what we CAN do to win the damned election.
Instead, it's OH NOES, MUST SPLIT THE PARTY, but somehow that means *I'm* the one trying to do that, because I said stop doing it.
Total sense, that.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 03:47 AM (bxiXv)
641
#633
Sacrifices have to be made if we're to know whether a blind squirrel with Obama's brain will still occasionally find a nut.
Sacrifices have to be made if we're to know whether a blind squirrel with Obama's brain will still occasionally find a nut.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 03:48 AM (kcfmt)
642
Whatever, go to bed ya lightweights..
I dont care if its 4 in the morning. Its only almost1 here,
I dont care if its 4 in the morning. Its only almost1 here, Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 03:48 AM (EPbpF)
643
Here!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 03:49 AM (wlisC)
644
FDR’s policies were very much responsible for the length of the GD.
Prior to the GD no US downturn had lasted more than three years, and
NEVER in US history had a “depression within a depression” occured.
Economies are NOT “car motors” subject to a wrench turn here and a minor tweak there….
One of the myths about the “cause”(as if one thing caused it)of the
GD is that it was out of control capitalism and the collapse of the
stock market over the course of two weeks in October. People who
subscribe to this view are ignoring the contraction of money, idiotic
overregulation of banks, and increasing of tariffs, and they are
WILLFULLY ignorant of the true interventionist nature of Hoover. Hoover
has been trasformed by the mythmakers who worship FDR into this cowering
icon of laissez-faire and NOTHING could be further from the truth.
The so-called “progressive” movement was sheltered in its infancy by
another Roosevelt in another party and Hoover was a TR type Republican.
Hoover was the true father of “Alphabet Soup and the new deal” as
evidenced by his establishment of the Reconstruction finance Corporation
during his admin-hardly the act of either a laissez-faire believer or a
‘lazy do-nothing President’.
The RFC extended loans to smaller town banks and was kept on as a
cornerstone of FDR’s admin. The problem is that the RFC was used as a
political tool as much as a recovery based one. Jesse Holman Jones was
notorious for using RFC assets to extend loans to “persons of interest”
in regions and then inform them of what types of legislation would
affect the RFC.
Hoover was anything BUT a laissez-faire man. He was responsible for
the WW1 version of the “Marshall plan” whereby we aided Belgium through
his Commission for the Relief of Belgium. He also arranged for the
transport of 120,000 or so Americans back from Europe.
He had seen the Wilsonian war measures not as an indicator of the
sacrifices the economy must make during wartime, but as a harbinger of a
“better way to do things”. Hoover had intimate dealings and knowledge
of the various war boards including(but not limited to) the War Finance
Corporation, the War Industries Board, and the war trade Board. Hoover
along with many who served in Wilson’s wartime administration were the
ultimate believers in the power of the US government to work miracles in
the time of emergency.(a shaky proposition given the low percentage of
national industrial base that was required to do our part in WW1)
Hoover was also a huge believer in the “high wages can get us out of
ANY downturn” school of thought that was prevalent at the time. The fact
that this doctrine is now considered akin to a Grimm’s fairy tale makes
it hard to grasp how much sway the notion had at that time. For all the
Unionite bluff and bluster about “Henry Ford the demon” he was the
original proponent of this school of thought in heavy industry always
paying at least 75% higher than the prevailing wage and often paying
double. The trouble was that these higher wages resulted in higher costs
for the product…..(do a google and see how long you could buy a new
model-t for under 500 bucks)
Several noteworthy economists of the era(and not Chiteng brand
historian ones either) defended this notion. Hoover was not the master
orator Roosevelt was, but he was far from the crippled foal the FDR
legions portray. He called several conferences of industrial leaders and
encouraged them to maintain high wages. Hoover believed that the
massive money contraction policies of the Fed would and should hit
profits rather than wages, and he told this to Henry Ford, Alfred Sloan,
and others.
The problem was that Hoover’s efforts to maintain wages above the
market was a disaster-as John T. Flynn noted in the Jan 1933 issue of
Harpers, “prices must come down to bring goods closer to the size of
available income…..income itself must be freed for purchasing by the
extinguishments of excessive debts. Whether we like it or not, this is
what takes place. Any attempts to hold up prices or save the weaker
debtors necessarily prolongs the depression.” The inherent fallacy of
the purchasing power school is that it doesn’t increase total purchasing
power-it merely concentrates it in the employee base. The employees
have more money to spend but the business and investors have less. All
the policy accomplishes is an alteration in the distribution of revenue,
not in the total purchasing power of an economy.
Hoover was also the Godfather of governmental spending as a panacea
to boost the economy out of a downturn. He urged Gubenatorial and
Municipal governments to engage in as many public works projects as he
could. The governor of New York pledged his support-his name Was
franklin delano roosevelt.(the funny thing is not a lot came of this
because the majority of state and city budgets had other duties but the
point here is that Hoover was hardly the “lapdog of the wealthy” people
like to remember him as-also public works require folks with
construction skills not unskilled laborers who were the hardest hit
sector)
Hoover seldom met a farm subsidy he didn’t like, but the root of the
matter was that too many farmers were tilling too many acres and the
traiff warfare the politicos of both sides engaged in in that day meant
that we had no ability to shunt excess production. This happened because
of alteration to the European market made by WW1-Russia was not in the
farming business and the wheat had to be made up by the US, Oz and
Canada. This market condition was given a bodyblow as European
production came back online as the recovery from WW1 progressed, the
result of many European nations erecting massive tariffs to “protect our
domestic farmers” was that their markets were now effectively closed to
the overproduction of the nations that had fed them during the war.
Farmers are a powerful lobby and they exerted pressure for
subsidization to avoid as many cutbacks as possible. They continued to
be burdened with overproduction and low price structure throughout the
20s. In 1926 Coolidge agreed to have the US purchase excess cotton in
order to maintain the high price of cotton-the guy who did it for him?
hissecretary of commerce Herbert Hoover. By 1930 Congress was was
authorizing the Federal Farm Board to increase subsidiztion by about 100
million-hardly the act of a laissez-faire champion of unfettered
capitalism.
In 1929 Hoover asked for higher Tariffs on agricultural tariffs and
the House way and means men listened. Of course it was becoming
increasingly evident that you couldn’t isolate such high tariffs to one
sector of the economy. EVERY sector wanted higher tariffs on their
products.(now why is this ah yes it allows the artificial boosting of
higher prices for inferior product) As a lobbyist for Big Silk said in
his testimony, “I have never felt that it was a consistent position for
one man to try and advocate duties for his own products and object for
duties for another person.” by the time the hearings were over the
record had 20,000 pages of testimony.
The result of this was the famed Smoot-Hawley Tariff which raised
import duties an average of about 60% on more than 25,000 agri
commodities and manufactured goods-happy days are here again! The US
stock market took a plunge the day after it was signed on June the
18th(remember Black Tuesday and Thursday were a half year old but the
market had recovered to 85% of peak at the time) It seems that 60
countries decided that Smoot-Hawley was two steps shy of an act of war
and retaliated by targeting those goods that they felt would impact
America hardest, and that was not the reciprocal goods of the tariff but
other products thus damaging random and disparate businesses here in
the US.(a panic set in)
Nothing like pissing off neighbors who are in debt to you and denying
them a market to attain the wealth they needed to make the payments on
their war debt eh?
We decided that Canada needed to take a hit in EVERY major export
they had. Halibut, Potatoes, cattle, wheat, and lumber. Hoover managed
to deliver body blows to every province in Canada, but why stop there
let’s screw the English too(who at that time were the ultimate champions
of free trade and free markets not us). The British unleashed the
Import duties Act(of 1932) that was their first general tariff in 100
years, and part II specifically penalized nations with penalties on
British goods by a 100% duty(like the US).
Thing was….the stupidity that led to the worldwide implosion of economies was largely a bipartisan effort…..
FDR’s policies were very much responsible for the length of the GD.
Prior to the GD no US downturn had lasted more than three years, and
NEVER in US history had a “depression within a depression” occured.
Economies are NOT “car motors” subject to a wrench turn here and a minor tweak there….
One of the myths about the “cause”(as if one thing caused it)of the
GD is that it was out of control capitalism and the collapse of the
stock market over the course of two weeks in October. People who
subscribe to this view are ignoring the contraction of money, idiotic
overregulation of banks, and increasing of tariffs, and they are
WILLFULLY ignorant of the true interventionist nature of Hoover. Hoover
has been trasformed by the mythmakers who worship FDR into this cowering
icon of laissez-faire and NOTHING could be further from the truth.
The so-called “progressive” movement was sheltered in its infancy by
another Roosevelt in another party and Hoover was a TR type Republican.
Hoover was the true father of “Alphabet Soup and the new deal” as
evidenced by his establishment of the Reconstruction finance Corporation
during his admin-hardly the act of either a laissez-faire believer or a
‘lazy do-nothing President’.
The RFC extended loans to smaller town banks and was kept on as a
cornerstone of FDR’s admin. The problem is that the RFC was used as a
political tool as much as a recovery based one. Jesse Holman Jones was
notorious for using RFC assets to extend loans to “persons of interest”
in regions and then inform them of what types of legislation would
affect the RFC.
Hoover was anything BUT a laissez-faire man. He was responsible for
the WW1 version of the “Marshall plan” whereby we aided Belgium through
his Commission for the Relief of Belgium. He also arranged for the
transport of 120,000 or so Americans back from Europe.
He had seen the Wilsonian war measures not as an indicator of the
sacrifices the economy must make during wartime, but as a harbinger of a
“better way to do things”. Hoover had intimate dealings and knowledge
of the various war boards including(but not limited to) the War Finance
Corporation, the War Industries Board, and the war trade Board. Hoover
along with many who served in Wilson’s wartime administration were the
ultimate believers in the power of the US government to work miracles in
the time of emergency.(a shaky proposition given the low percentage of
national industrial base that was required to do our part in WW1)
Hoover was also a huge believer in the “high wages can get us out of
ANY downturn” school of thought that was prevalent at the time. The fact
that this doctrine is now considered akin to a Grimm’s fairy tale makes
it hard to grasp how much sway the notion had at that time. For all the
Unionite bluff and bluster about “Henry Ford the demon” he was the
original proponent of this school of thought in heavy industry always
paying at least 75% higher than the prevailing wage and often paying
double. The trouble was that these higher wages resulted in higher costs
for the product…..(do a google and see how long you could buy a new
model-t for under 500 bucks)
Several noteworthy economists of the era(and not Chiteng brand
historian ones either) defended this notion. Hoover was not the master
orator Roosevelt was, but he was far from the crippled foal the FDR
legions portray. He called several conferences of industrial leaders and
encouraged them to maintain high wages. Hoover believed that the
massive money contraction policies of the Fed would and should hit
profits rather than wages, and he told this to Henry Ford, Alfred Sloan,
and others.
The problem was that Hoover’s efforts to maintain wages above the
market was a disaster-as John T. Flynn noted in the Jan 1933 issue of
Harpers, “prices must come down to bring goods closer to the size of
available income…..income itself must be freed for purchasing by the
extinguishments of excessive debts. Whether we like it or not, this is
what takes place. Any attempts to hold up prices or save the weaker
debtors necessarily prolongs the depression.” The inherent fallacy of
the purchasing power school is that it doesn’t increase total purchasing
power-it merely concentrates it in the employee base. The employees
have more money to spend but the business and investors have less. All
the policy accomplishes is an alteration in the distribution of revenue,
not in the total purchasing power of an economy.
Hoover was also the Godfather of governmental spending as a panacea
to boost the economy out of a downturn. He urged Gubenatorial and
Municipal governments to engage in as many public works projects as he
could. The governor of New York pledged his support-his name Was
franklin delano roosevelt.(the funny thing is not a lot came of this
because the majority of state and city budgets had other duties but the
point here is that Hoover was hardly the “lapdog of the wealthy” people
like to remember him as-also public works require folks with
construction skills not unskilled laborers who were the hardest hit
sector)
Hoover seldom met a farm subsidy he didn’t like, but the root of the
matter was that too many farmers were tilling too many acres and the
traiff warfare the politicos of both sides engaged in in that day meant
that we had no ability to shunt excess production. This happened because
of alteration to the European market made by WW1-Russia was not in the
farming business and the wheat had to be made up by the US, Oz and
Canada. This market condition was given a bodyblow as European
production came back online as the recovery from WW1 progressed, the
result of many European nations erecting massive tariffs to “protect our
domestic farmers” was that their markets were now effectively closed to
the overproduction of the nations that had fed them during the war.
Farmers are a powerful lobby and they exerted pressure for
subsidization to avoid as many cutbacks as possible. They continued to
be burdened with overproduction and low price structure throughout the
20s. In 1926 Coolidge agreed to have the US purchase excess cotton in
order to maintain the high price of cotton-the guy who did it for him?
hissecretary of commerce Herbert Hoover. By 1930 Congress was was
authorizing the Federal Farm Board to increase subsidiztion by about 100
million-hardly the act of a laissez-faire champion of unfettered
capitalism.
In 1929 Hoover asked for higher Tariffs on agricultural tariffs and
the House way and means men listened. Of course it was becoming
increasingly evident that you couldn’t isolate such high tariffs to one
sector of the economy. EVERY sector wanted higher tariffs on their
products.(now why is this ah yes it allows the artificial boosting of
higher prices for inferior product) As a lobbyist for Big Silk said in
his testimony, “I have never felt that it was a consistent position for
one man to try and advocate duties for his own products and object for
duties for another person.” by the time the hearings were over the
record had 20,000 pages of testimony.
The result of this was the famed Smoot-Hawley Tariff which raised
import duties an average of about 60% on more than 25,000 agri
commodities and manufactured goods-happy days are here again! The US
stock market took a plunge the day after it was signed on June the
18th(remember Black Tuesday and Thursday were a half year old but the
market had recovered to 85% of peak at the time) It seems that 60
countries decided that Smoot-Hawley was two steps shy of an act of war
and retaliated by targeting those goods that they felt would impact
America hardest, and that was not the reciprocal goods of the tariff but
other products thus damaging random and disparate businesses here in
the US.(a panic set in)
Nothing like pissing off neighbors who are in debt to you and denying
them a market to attain the wealth they needed to make the payments on
their war debt eh?
We decided that Canada needed to take a hit in EVERY major export
they had. Halibut, Potatoes, cattle, wheat, and lumber. Hoover managed
to deliver body blows to every province in Canada, but why stop there
let’s screw the English too(who at that time were the ultimate champions
of free trade and free markets not us). The British unleashed the
Import duties Act(of 1932) that was their first general tariff in 100
years, and part II specifically penalized nations with penalties on
British goods by a 100% duty(like the US).
Thing was….the stupidity that led to the worldwide implosion of economies was largely a bipartisan effort…..
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:50 AM (LRFds)
645
just wait until we have the first dog that can pass the Turing test
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:56 AM (kcfmt)
He was delicious. I absorbed 25 IQ points from his spirit, too. Almost at 100 ...
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 02:56 AM (kcfmt)
He was delicious. I absorbed 25 IQ points from his spirit, too. Almost at 100 ...
Posted by: King Emperor Admiral Field Marshall Barky at August 26, 2012 03:50 AM (X3lox)
646
Still here!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 03:51 AM (wlisC)
647
@625
lol, trust me i quite a bit about the intricacies of human neuromechanics...a lot more than it appears you have assumed, at any rate!!!! xP
you bring up some role for quantum processes for memory...i believe you are confusing memory with the science fiction of dna microtubule coherence (i.e., macroscopic collective quantum waving) somehow giving rise to the ill-understood phenomenon of human consciousness.
nevertheless, even quantum consciousness theories are not well-accepted; that a theory of ultimately random, indeterminate behaviour should be involved in the phenomenon of information storage and recollection *really* doesn't make a lot of sense!!!! o.o
leaving quantum theory aside, invoking the grand unified theory is pure nonsense o.o none of either the weak, strong, or gravitational forces play a tole in neurological function, and anyway we have already unified nongravitational forces under the particle physics of quantum mechanics. so we don't need a grand unified theory to study the electrical network of the brain.
so, back to the neuroscience...
it's not *i* that is vastly overestimating the rate of technology...it's leaders in the field who have suggested that halfway through this century, we might have completed the first rough map of the cerebral neural and glial networks!
in fact, i think you'd be surprised at how much we've ALREADY mapped...have you heard about the human connectome project? you can google them and check our their website...they have some pretty cool data that you can visualise on your computer!!!!
so of course, i think it would be MANY years before we could actually model the system effectively with an electrical network, but suppose we could? suppose we could model the brain of a man who already knew the language, &c. -- suppose we could map and transplant his brain to an electrical machine, obviating the need to teach it anything.
wouldn't such a machine have EXACTLY the same motivations as the human it came from? supposing that even the biochemical environment and the associated effects on neural communication cascades could be recreated in the machine, down to ultimately dna-directed protein messaging: wouldn't the machine THINK it were the human it were modeled after, anyway?
i think of course such a
lol, trust me i quite a bit about the intricacies of human neuromechanics...a lot more than it appears you have assumed, at any rate!!!! xP
you bring up some role for quantum processes for memory...i believe you are confusing memory with the science fiction of dna microtubule coherence (i.e., macroscopic collective quantum waving) somehow giving rise to the ill-understood phenomenon of human consciousness.
nevertheless, even quantum consciousness theories are not well-accepted; that a theory of ultimately random, indeterminate behaviour should be involved in the phenomenon of information storage and recollection *really* doesn't make a lot of sense!!!! o.o
leaving quantum theory aside, invoking the grand unified theory is pure nonsense o.o none of either the weak, strong, or gravitational forces play a tole in neurological function, and anyway we have already unified nongravitational forces under the particle physics of quantum mechanics. so we don't need a grand unified theory to study the electrical network of the brain.
so, back to the neuroscience...
it's not *i* that is vastly overestimating the rate of technology...it's leaders in the field who have suggested that halfway through this century, we might have completed the first rough map of the cerebral neural and glial networks!
in fact, i think you'd be surprised at how much we've ALREADY mapped...have you heard about the human connectome project? you can google them and check our their website...they have some pretty cool data that you can visualise on your computer!!!!
so of course, i think it would be MANY years before we could actually model the system effectively with an electrical network, but suppose we could? suppose we could model the brain of a man who already knew the language, &c. -- suppose we could map and transplant his brain to an electrical machine, obviating the need to teach it anything.
wouldn't such a machine have EXACTLY the same motivations as the human it came from? supposing that even the biochemical environment and the associated effects on neural communication cascades could be recreated in the machine, down to ultimately dna-directed protein messaging: wouldn't the machine THINK it were the human it were modeled after, anyway?
i think of course such a
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 03:51 AM (79EF9)
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:51 AM (LRFds)
649
640 Mero,
Just join me in shrugging and trying to beat SCOAMF although a holy war in our ranks makes that harder....
Just join me in shrugging and trying to beat SCOAMF although a holy war in our ranks makes that harder....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:52 AM (LRFds)
650
646 Still here!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 03:51 AM (wlisC)
Hey, how about soros taking over facebook, good times, good times..
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 03:51 AM (wlisC)
Hey, how about soros taking over facebook, good times, good times..
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 03:53 AM (EPbpF)
651
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 03:51 AM (79EF9)
647 @625 lol, trust me i quite a bit about the intricacies of human neuromechanics...a lot more than it appears you have assumed, at any rate!!!! xP lampshade, I missed you.
647 @625 lol, trust me i quite a bit about the intricacies of human neuromechanics...a lot more than it appears you have assumed, at any rate!!!! xP lampshade, I missed you.
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 03:55 AM (EPbpF)
652
650 Lou's a girl,
it's awesome....
it means Soros will be able to spy on us through subversion of facebook...
it's awesome....
it means Soros will be able to spy on us through subversion of facebook...
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:56 AM (LRFds)
653
641
#633
Sacrifices have to be made if we're to know whether a blind squirrel with Obama's brain will still occasionally find a nut.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 03:48 AM (kcfmt)
Well, I tried a blind squirrel with Clinton's brain and it never failed to find a slut.
#633
Sacrifices have to be made if we're to know whether a blind squirrel with Obama's brain will still occasionally find a nut.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 03:48 AM (kcfmt)
Well, I tried a blind squirrel with Clinton's brain and it never failed to find a slut.
Posted by: Dr. Moreau at August 26, 2012 03:56 AM (ufJKx)
654
652 650 Lou's a girl,it's awesome....it means Soros will be able to spy on us through subversion of facebook...
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:56 AM (LRFds)
Yep, never signed up, guess I was right on that one!
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:56 AM (LRFds)
Yep, never signed up, guess I was right on that one!
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 03:57 AM (EPbpF)
655
654 Lou's a girl,
my spouse has but it is not the end of the world if things go wrong I will leave this house and never come back anyway....
if you are this close to Indy Metro and SHTF you are wrong
my spouse has but it is not the end of the world if things go wrong I will leave this house and never come back anyway....
if you are this close to Indy Metro and SHTF you are wrong
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:59 AM (LRFds)
656
Well, I tried a blind squirrel with Clinton's brain and it never failed to find a slut.
Posted by: Dr. Moreau at August 26, 2012 03:56 AM (ufJKx)
Or a rape victim, oh shit, did I say that out loud?
Posted by: Dr. Moreau at August 26, 2012 03:56 AM (ufJKx)
Or a rape victim, oh shit, did I say that out loud?
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 03:59 AM (EPbpF)
657
644
Excellent on all points...cept...my head STILL exploded!!
Sorry man, jus trying to keepthe damage count on our SCFOAMF is all I can carry at the moment. Though I did read every word and well put as the deep neuro-blood dribbles out me ear...
644
Excellent on all points...cept...my head STILL exploded!!
Sorry man, jus trying to keepthe damage count on our SCFOAMF is all I can carry at the moment. Though I did read every word and well put as the deep neuro-blood dribbles out me ear...
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:01 AM (wlisC)
658
Just join me in shrugging and trying to beat SCOAMF although a holy war in our ranks makes that harder....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:52 AM (LRFds)
Yeah, well, see you occasionally, I don't need to watch people cut their dicks off and throw them at each other all week long.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:52 AM (LRFds)
Yeah, well, see you occasionally, I don't need to watch people cut their dicks off and throw them at each other all week long.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:01 AM (bxiXv)
659
I read Roger Penrose's 'The Emperor's New Mind' back around 1989 IIRC but felt he didn't make a convincing argument. Too many unknowns to say either way how some things really worked and there was too much of value to be learned by just assuming that inorganic creation of a human-like mind was impossible and stopping all efforts. The pursuit of an impossible goal may still produce valuable knowledge. For instance, there is much we'd like to know about gravity, even if we never find the means to manipulate it as we do in fiction.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:02 AM (kcfmt)
660
658 Mero,
No no do what you need to do. Me I just think that the whole thing could really do well to go into a ceasefire stage I guess....but "whatever"...
the Donks gte unions to lie down with neo-luddites PEUs to lie down with "anarchsits"....
it is surreal it is almost like killing me or more properly capitalists is what unifies them...
No no do what you need to do. Me I just think that the whole thing could really do well to go into a ceasefire stage I guess....but "whatever"...
the Donks gte unions to lie down with neo-luddites PEUs to lie down with "anarchsits"....
it is surreal it is almost like killing me or more properly capitalists is what unifies them...
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 04:04 AM (LRFds)
661
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:01 AM (bxiXv)
Oh man, that was one harsh metaphor.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:01 AM (bxiXv)
Oh man, that was one harsh metaphor.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:04 AM (X3lox)
662
656
Well, I tried a blind squirrel with Clinton's brain and it never failed to find a slut.
Posted by: Dr. Moreau at August 26, 2012 03:56 AM (ufJKx)
Or a rape victim, oh shit, did I say that out loud?
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 03:59 AM (EPbpF)
===
nothing sez pathetic like a squirrel humping your leg.
Well, I tried a blind squirrel with Clinton's brain and it never failed to find a slut.
Posted by: Dr. Moreau at August 26, 2012 03:56 AM (ufJKx)
Or a rape victim, oh shit, did I say that out loud?
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 03:59 AM (EPbpF)
===
nothing sez pathetic like a squirrel humping your leg.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 04:05 AM (ufJKx)
663
OK Robert, all teed up and ready to go.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 04:05 AM (ufJKx)
664
661 TPOP but apt or rather it is our refusal to cut our dicks off and throw them at each other that is the problem.....
akin, huck, and paul being the main dicks....
akin, huck, and paul being the main dicks....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 04:06 AM (LRFds)
665
I read Roger Penrose's 'The Emperor's New Mind' back around 1989 IIRC
but felt he didn't make a convincing argument.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:02 AM (kcfmt)
Yeah, Penrose lost it in the last chapter but the rest of the book is one of the best surveys of foundational math and physics I've seen, IIRC. Penrose hit a good bunch of the basic "hot shit" ideas and explained them very well. I recommend that book to tons of people to get a feel for what's really happening in the theoretical world.
I read Roger Penrose's 'The Emperor's New Mind' back around 1989 IIRC
but felt he didn't make a convincing argument.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:02 AM (kcfmt)
Yeah, Penrose lost it in the last chapter but the rest of the book is one of the best surveys of foundational math and physics I've seen, IIRC. Penrose hit a good bunch of the basic "hot shit" ideas and explained them very well. I recommend that book to tons of people to get a feel for what's really happening in the theoretical world.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:06 AM (X3lox)
666
if you are this close to Indy Metro and SHTF you are wrong
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:59 AM (LRFds)
Hubby has it. Vegas Baby. Oh yeah, Vegas used to be conservative, now, sheesh, read that 30% new dems signed up in the last little bit for the election coming up, good times..
shelly berkely (sic) oh, who the hell care if i spelled that name wrong!running for the senate vs a really good guy, fraud is rampant, reid won, and I know my vote wont count!
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 03:59 AM (LRFds)
Hubby has it. Vegas Baby. Oh yeah, Vegas used to be conservative, now, sheesh, read that 30% new dems signed up in the last little bit for the election coming up, good times..
shelly berkely (sic) oh, who the hell care if i spelled that name wrong!running for the senate vs a really good guy, fraud is rampant, reid won, and I know my vote wont count!
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 04:07 AM (EPbpF)
667
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 04:06 AM (LRFds)
I'm keeping my dick, even in metaphors.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 04:06 AM (LRFds)
I'm keeping my dick, even in metaphors.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:07 AM (X3lox)
668
>>>nevertheless, even quantum consciousness theories are not well-accepted; that a theory of ultimately random, indeterminate behaviour should be involved in the phenomenon of information storage and recollection *really* doesn't make a lot of sense!!!! o.o
Here you intimate that quantum mechanics IS hypothesized by some to be involved with "information storage and recollection." Which is it?
Quantum mechanics on its own really doesn't make a lot of sense, so that is not a strong objection.
>>>so we don't need a grand unified theory to study the electrical network of the brain.
Supposing quantum mechanics does indeed turn out to be an integral part of how the human brain functions, there are well known contradictions scaling up the theory to larger objects than subatomic particles. Such as a subatomic particle somehow being able to interact with itself.
>>>it's leaders in the field who have suggested that halfway through this century, we might have completed the first rough map of the cerebral neural and glial networks!
Do you know how much we know about human DNA now that we have mapped the entire human genome?
Not that much. We don't even have an agreed upon estimate for how much is *functional.* Merely mapping the network does not mean we would be close to building one.
Actually, given that leaders in the field were also inspired by, and have likened connectome mapping to, the Human Genome Project, the idea of constructing a brain becomes even more facetious if we carry the analogy further and think about our ability to construct a genome.
>>> suppose we could map and transplant his brain to an electrical machine, obviating the need to teach it anything.
Really? Isn't this cheating?
Furthermore, wouldn't this require we figure out how to effectively resurrect the person?
Here you intimate that quantum mechanics IS hypothesized by some to be involved with "information storage and recollection." Which is it?
Quantum mechanics on its own really doesn't make a lot of sense, so that is not a strong objection.
>>>so we don't need a grand unified theory to study the electrical network of the brain.
Supposing quantum mechanics does indeed turn out to be an integral part of how the human brain functions, there are well known contradictions scaling up the theory to larger objects than subatomic particles. Such as a subatomic particle somehow being able to interact with itself.
>>>it's leaders in the field who have suggested that halfway through this century, we might have completed the first rough map of the cerebral neural and glial networks!
Do you know how much we know about human DNA now that we have mapped the entire human genome?
Not that much. We don't even have an agreed upon estimate for how much is *functional.* Merely mapping the network does not mean we would be close to building one.
Actually, given that leaders in the field were also inspired by, and have likened connectome mapping to, the Human Genome Project, the idea of constructing a brain becomes even more facetious if we carry the analogy further and think about our ability to construct a genome.
>>> suppose we could map and transplant his brain to an electrical machine, obviating the need to teach it anything.
Really? Isn't this cheating?
Furthermore, wouldn't this require we figure out how to effectively resurrect the person?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:09 AM (csi6Y)
669
664 661 TPOP but apt or rather it is our refusal to cut our dicks off and throw them at each other that is the problem.....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 04:06 AM (LRFds)
Just want to let everyone know, for future reference, no matter what the sport, I am NEVER on sven10077's team.
NEVER.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 04:06 AM (LRFds)
Just want to let everyone know, for future reference, no matter what the sport, I am NEVER on sven10077's team.
NEVER.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:10 AM (bxiXv)
670
well I'm going to finish my book on the rank idiocy peter sellers exhibited to his family and friends and crash....nite o all
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 04:10 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: sven10077 at August 26, 2012 04:11 AM (LRFds)
672
nothing sez pathetic like a squirrel humping your leg.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 04:05 AM (ufJKx)
Sorry, what does this mean
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 04:05 AM (ufJKx)
Sorry, what does this mean
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 04:12 AM (EPbpF)
673
I'm going to the penalty box now! Least I throw any massive FLAME
On ANY topic....(it's jus safe..er for the next mil-a-second or so) AND NOW A DEEE-LIGHTFUL TUNEFROM MR. SINATRA arranged for you tonight by Mr. Nelson Riddle.. please couples, this is your dance floor time....
I'm going to the penalty box now! Least I throw any massive FLAME
On ANY topic....(it's jus safe..er for the next mil-a-second or so) AND NOW A DEEE-LIGHTFUL TUNEFROM MR. SINATRA arranged for you tonight by Mr. Nelson Riddle.. please couples, this is your dance floor time....
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:13 AM (wlisC)
674
night kids. CYA.
Posted by: jc at August 26, 2012 04:13 AM (ufJKx)
675
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:09 AM (csi6Y)
An initiatory consciousness and modern physics are fundamentally at odds. If you add in the idea of Free Will, then there's no reckoning there, at all. Second Law and all.
An initiatory consciousness and modern physics are fundamentally at odds. If you add in the idea of Free Will, then there's no reckoning there, at all. Second Law and all.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:14 AM (X3lox)
676
Will it be that the postings that we all post on this most powerful engine known to all of us as the internet...be our downfall?
jus asking...
Will it be that the postings that we all post on this most powerful engine known to all of us as the internet...be our downfall?
jus asking...
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:18 AM (wlisC)
677
An initiatory consciousness and modern physics are fundamentally at odds. If you add in the idea of Free Will, then there's no reckoning there, at all. Second Law and all.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:14 AM (X3lox)
I am not sure if you mean some form of evolutionary complexity by "initiatory consciousness," and are therefore stating that the increasing entropy of a closed system in the Second Law prohibits higher complexity?
That is the only application of the Second Law to biological systems that I am aware of.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:14 AM (X3lox)
I am not sure if you mean some form of evolutionary complexity by "initiatory consciousness," and are therefore stating that the increasing entropy of a closed system in the Second Law prohibits higher complexity?
That is the only application of the Second Law to biological systems that I am aware of.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:20 AM (csi6Y)
678
My woik computer is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:22 AM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:23 AM (wlisC)
680
Here’s a YouTube video of live TV coverage of the Apollo 11 launch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNryrsT7OI
Even today that countdown has me on the edge of my seat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNryrsT7OI
Even today that countdown has me on the edge of my seat.
Posted by: rickl at August 26, 2012 04:24 AM (sdi6R)
681
Sorry I dumbed down the ont. Night all. Have a Blessed week.
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 26, 2012 04:24 AM (EPbpF)
682
678 My woik computer is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:22 AM (4ixH5)
Bribe the IT dept.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:22 AM (4ixH5)
Bribe the IT dept.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:24 AM (bxiXv)
683
Cor blimey, guvnah, I 'ad 'eard wot 'appens in Vegas bloody stays in Vegas!
Posted by: Prince Harry at August 26, 2012 04:25 AM (4ixH5)
684
Bribe the IT dept.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:24 AM (bxiXv)
That'd be my boss and he hasn't the foggiest.
How about I give you my IP and you hack it back into shape?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:24 AM (bxiXv)
That'd be my boss and he hasn't the foggiest.
How about I give you my IP and you hack it back into shape?
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:26 AM (4ixH5)
685
#668
Cheating? Not at all. It would be a practical means of determining whether we understand a thing by trying to replicate its behavior in another medium. Reverse engineering has uses beyond industrial plagiarism.
We steal from nature a lot. One fun example is Qualcomm's Mirasol attempt at a full color e-book display. The essential mechanism was inspired by research into how the perceived colors of a butterfly's wing are produced.
Cheating? Not at all. It would be a practical means of determining whether we understand a thing by trying to replicate its behavior in another medium. Reverse engineering has uses beyond industrial plagiarism.
We steal from nature a lot. One fun example is Qualcomm's Mirasol attempt at a full color e-book display. The essential mechanism was inspired by research into how the perceived colors of a butterfly's wing are produced.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:27 AM (kcfmt)
686
40 Days until Vegas!!! WOOO
Posted by: Zakn at August 26, 2012 04:28 AM (q/891)
687
That'd be my boss and he hasn't the foggiest.
How about I give you my IP and you hack it back into shape?
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:26 AM (4ixH5)
How much money you got set aside for bail?
I'd need to go get my laptop so I can proxy through a few APs.
How about I give you my IP and you hack it back into shape?
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:26 AM (4ixH5)
How much money you got set aside for bail?
I'd need to go get my laptop so I can proxy through a few APs.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:28 AM (bxiXv)
688
Is anyone still around?
Figures, you morons get all prolific and shit when I'm not here, but when I am here you won't even bust 600. Pathetic.
is it me?
Figures, you morons get all prolific and shit when I'm not here, but when I am here you won't even bust 600. Pathetic.
is it me?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:29 AM (yh0zB)
689
How much money you got set aside for bail?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:28 AM (bxiXv)
My inner Ayn Rand is nixing any altruistic gestures on my part. You're on your own.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:28 AM (bxiXv)
My inner Ayn Rand is nixing any altruistic gestures on my part. You're on your own.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:29 AM (4ixH5)
690
is it me?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:29 AM (yh0zB)
I didn't want to be the one to say it.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:29 AM (yh0zB)
I didn't want to be the one to say it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:30 AM (bxiXv)
691
My inner Ayn Rand is nixing any altruistic gestures on my part. You're on your own.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:29 AM (4ixH5)
Right back at ya.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:29 AM (4ixH5)
Right back at ya.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:30 AM (bxiXv)
692
Howdy, GGE!
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:30 AM (4ixH5)
693
Right back at ya.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:30 AM (bxiXv)
Commie.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:30 AM (bxiXv)
Commie.
Posted by: Wait, wut? at August 26, 2012 04:31 AM (4ixH5)
694
I didn't want to be the one to say it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:30 AM (bxiXv)
Well if you think I'm going to run away crying like a little girl...you are sadly mistaken...
imma stay right here and do it
Waaaaahhhhh!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 04:30 AM (bxiXv)
Well if you think I'm going to run away crying like a little girl...you are sadly mistaken...
imma stay right here and do it
Waaaaahhhhh!
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:31 AM (yh0zB)
695
I had just come in from catching "Fire-Flys" from my Aunt's front yard.
In BlackWhite watched Mr. Neil step off the Lunar Lander, and into the History Books. I was just a kid then, and wanted to go catch more fire-flys.
My Aunt missed a golden opportunity to impress upon me the absolute GREATNESS of that moment...yet I still remember it!
I had just come in from catching "Fire-Flys" from my Aunt's front yard.
In BlackWhite watched Mr. Neil step off the Lunar Lander, and into the History Books. I was just a kid then, and wanted to go catch more fire-flys.
My Aunt missed a golden opportunity to impress upon me the absolute GREATNESS of that moment...yet I still remember it!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:32 AM (wlisC)
696
"Here you intimate that quantum mechanics IS hypothesized by some to be involved with "information storage and recollection." Which is it? "
no, i was talking about your reference to "quantum memory", and just pointing out that such a theory would be totally nonsensical.
quantum mechanics makes perfect sense to those who accept it for what it is. nobody has a cow over brownian motion.
"Supposing quantum mechanics does indeed turn out to be an integral part of how the human brain functions, there are well known contradictions scaling up the theory to larger objects than subatomic particles. Such as a subatomic particle somehow being able to interact with itself."
insofar as quantum mechanics governs all of physics at the particulate level, it's an integral part of the brain. there isn't going to be an macroscopic quantum functionality, tho.
also, i'm not sure what "contradictions" you're talking about. self-energy is a real and well-studied phenomenon.
"Do you know how much we know about human DNA now that we have mapped the entire human genome? "
yes! quite a bit, in fact! we have learned sooooo much since the early 00's about dna and the genes it encodes and how they function!
i suggest you do a little bit more research on the state of the physical and biophysical arts before you make such absolutist statement son what we do not, cannot, and will not know!
@675
yes...libertarian free will is an illusion, and the classical dualist concept of some mystical, mental consciousness than exists outside of and yet can influence the physical brain doesn't seem to accord with the increasingly materialist perspective that modern scientific knowledge seems to suggest!
i am folding 1001 origami butterflies for my wedding!!!! :3
no, i was talking about your reference to "quantum memory", and just pointing out that such a theory would be totally nonsensical.
quantum mechanics makes perfect sense to those who accept it for what it is. nobody has a cow over brownian motion.
"Supposing quantum mechanics does indeed turn out to be an integral part of how the human brain functions, there are well known contradictions scaling up the theory to larger objects than subatomic particles. Such as a subatomic particle somehow being able to interact with itself."
insofar as quantum mechanics governs all of physics at the particulate level, it's an integral part of the brain. there isn't going to be an macroscopic quantum functionality, tho.
also, i'm not sure what "contradictions" you're talking about. self-energy is a real and well-studied phenomenon.
"Do you know how much we know about human DNA now that we have mapped the entire human genome? "
yes! quite a bit, in fact! we have learned sooooo much since the early 00's about dna and the genes it encodes and how they function!
i suggest you do a little bit more research on the state of the physical and biophysical arts before you make such absolutist statement son what we do not, cannot, and will not know!
@675
yes...libertarian free will is an illusion, and the classical dualist concept of some mystical, mental consciousness than exists outside of and yet can influence the physical brain doesn't seem to accord with the increasingly materialist perspective that modern scientific knowledge seems to suggest!
i am folding 1001 origami butterflies for my wedding!!!! :3
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 04:32 AM (79EF9)
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:33 AM (4ixH5)
698
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:20 AM (csi6Y)
The "initiatory consciousness" essentially describes an organizing meta-force, if I can describe it that way. I have no objection to such a meta-force existing (that's a simple thing) but the idea that one is in control of that meta-force is where things go awry. That's why Penrose went down the quantum microtubule hole. He was looking for probabilistic events to explain something that could not be described in any concrete way without sounding silly or violating the Second Law by spontaneously organizing but in a certain indeterminate way.
Of course entropy can be lowered within closed systems (not that we've ever seen a closed system, but we'll go with that fiction as everyone else does) but only in pockets and then there is no "consciousness" to it. Consciousness is a whole other issue - an initiatory consciousness, at least, rather than merely some emergent property with no control, really, that is described as "consciousness" - which I think we would agree doesn't meet the human definition of "consciousness".
The idea of Free Will supposes even more in that the organization is effected without any external input, energy or other.
The "initiatory consciousness" essentially describes an organizing meta-force, if I can describe it that way. I have no objection to such a meta-force existing (that's a simple thing) but the idea that one is in control of that meta-force is where things go awry. That's why Penrose went down the quantum microtubule hole. He was looking for probabilistic events to explain something that could not be described in any concrete way without sounding silly or violating the Second Law by spontaneously organizing but in a certain indeterminate way.
Of course entropy can be lowered within closed systems (not that we've ever seen a closed system, but we'll go with that fiction as everyone else does) but only in pockets and then there is no "consciousness" to it. Consciousness is a whole other issue - an initiatory consciousness, at least, rather than merely some emergent property with no control, really, that is described as "consciousness" - which I think we would agree doesn't meet the human definition of "consciousness".
The idea of Free Will supposes even more in that the organization is effected without any external input, energy or other.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:33 AM (X3lox)
699
#694
If you stay here and cry like a little boy, maybe Harry will come back and hang with you. Among other things he might want to do. Do you like gladiator movies?
If you stay here and cry like a little boy, maybe Harry will come back and hang with you. Among other things he might want to do. Do you like gladiator movies?
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:33 AM (kcfmt)
700
>>>>Reverse engineering has uses beyond industrial plagiarism.
Certainly, but taking a brain from some guy's skull and placing it in an advanced version of an iron lung doesn't seem like reverse engineering the brain. That would prove we could fulfill the biochemical requirements to keep a brain functioning. It says nothing about our understanding of how we produce thoughts, only how we interface with sensory organs.
Certainly, but taking a brain from some guy's skull and placing it in an advanced version of an iron lung doesn't seem like reverse engineering the brain. That would prove we could fulfill the biochemical requirements to keep a brain functioning. It says nothing about our understanding of how we produce thoughts, only how we interface with sensory organs.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:34 AM (csi6Y)
701
Hya Robert. Anything interesting upthread?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:34 AM (yh0zB)
702
Anything interesting upthread?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:34 AM (yh0zB)
Nothing much. Rape and abortion. The usual.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:34 AM (yh0zB)
Nothing much. Rape and abortion. The usual.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:36 AM (4ixH5)
703
mmmmm, salty!
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:33 AM (4ixH5)
If you stay here and cry like a little boy, maybe
Harry will come back and hang with you. Among other things he might want
to do. Do you like gladiator movies?
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:33 AM (kcfmt)
Oh, youse guys are all heart...
'cept for the parts of you that's asshole.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:33 AM (4ixH5)
If you stay here and cry like a little boy, maybe
Harry will come back and hang with you. Among other things he might want
to do. Do you like gladiator movies?
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:33 AM (kcfmt)
Oh, youse guys are all heart...
'cept for the parts of you that's asshole.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:37 AM (yh0zB)
704
Since some of us are talking about quantum physics fun, here's a little mood music as I go off to try to catch some sleep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYVx178VlZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYVx178VlZ8
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 26, 2012 04:37 AM (sZTYJ)
705
So...what sparked the conversation about the illusion of free will?
If there is no such thing...what am I going to do right now?
If there is no such thing...what am I going to do right now?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:38 AM (yh0zB)
706
A thought,
Could the coming storm be the anthology of this next election cycle?
What are the odds?
A thought,
Could the coming storm be the anthology of this next election cycle?
What are the odds?
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:39 AM (wlisC)
707
If there is no such thing...what am I going to do right now?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:38 AM (yh0zB)
Exactly what I tell you to do.
Now come here and pick me up so we can go cruising for chicks.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:38 AM (yh0zB)
Exactly what I tell you to do.
Now come here and pick me up so we can go cruising for chicks.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:41 AM (4ixH5)
708
So...what sparked the conversation about the illusion of free will?
A discussion of consciousness.
If there is no such thing...what am I going to do right now?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:38 AM (yh0zB)
Whatever you're built to do, I guess.
A discussion of consciousness.
If there is no such thing...what am I going to do right now?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:38 AM (yh0zB)
Whatever you're built to do, I guess.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:41 AM (X3lox)
709
What are the odds?
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:39 AM (wlisC)
Don't tell me the odds!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:39 AM (wlisC)
Don't tell me the odds!
Posted by: Han Solo at August 26, 2012 04:41 AM (4ixH5)
710
>>>quantum mechanics makes perfect sense to those who accept it for what it is. nobody has a cow over brownian motion.
"Anyone who says they understand Quantum Mechanics, does not understand Quantum Mechanics."
- Richard Feynman
>>>insofar as quantum mechanics governs all of physics at the particulate level, it's an integral part of the brain. there isn't going to be an macroscopic quantum functionality, tho.
also, i'm not sure what "contradictions" you're talking about. self-energy is a real and well-studied phenomenon.
Should quantum processes turn out to be involved in human consciousness, this answer does not inspire me to our ability to replicate them.
By the way, "well-studied phenomenon" is not the same as "well-understood phenomenon."
"yes! quite a bit, in fact! we have learned sooooo much since the early 00's about dna and the genes it encodes and how they function! "
So you should know, then, the virtual impossibility of building our own mechanical genome, which is in effect what you suggested vis-a-vis the notion of building our own mechanical brain?
Oh, and by the way, no kidding we have learned "a lot" about DNA. Is this some kind of way of telling me you "know stuff?"
"Anyone who says they understand Quantum Mechanics, does not understand Quantum Mechanics."
- Richard Feynman
>>>insofar as quantum mechanics governs all of physics at the particulate level, it's an integral part of the brain. there isn't going to be an macroscopic quantum functionality, tho.
also, i'm not sure what "contradictions" you're talking about. self-energy is a real and well-studied phenomenon.
Should quantum processes turn out to be involved in human consciousness, this answer does not inspire me to our ability to replicate them.
By the way, "well-studied phenomenon" is not the same as "well-understood phenomenon."
"yes! quite a bit, in fact! we have learned sooooo much since the early 00's about dna and the genes it encodes and how they function! "
So you should know, then, the virtual impossibility of building our own mechanical genome, which is in effect what you suggested vis-a-vis the notion of building our own mechanical brain?
Oh, and by the way, no kidding we have learned "a lot" about DNA. Is this some kind of way of telling me you "know stuff?"
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:42 AM (csi6Y)
711
Whatever you're built to do, I guess.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:41 AM (X3lox)
I seem to be built to whack off and make snarky comments on right-leaning smart military blogs.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:41 AM (X3lox)
I seem to be built to whack off and make snarky comments on right-leaning smart military blogs.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:42 AM (4ixH5)
712
We know vastly more about DNA than we did before the Human Genome Project. Part of what we accomplished was getting a better handle on the scope of complexity involved. Before we just didn't know, in a Rumsfeldian manner, what we didn't know. We lacked definition for the dimensions of our ignorance.
We may have a vast task ahead of us in learning all there is to our biology but the Human Genome Project was a huge step in creating a place to stand and do deeper work. It's hard to conduct any sort of experiment when you don't know what you're poking and what it means, if anything, when something happens, or even if it happened because of your input.
We may have a vast task ahead of us in learning all there is to our biology but the Human Genome Project was a huge step in creating a place to stand and do deeper work. It's hard to conduct any sort of experiment when you don't know what you're poking and what it means, if anything, when something happens, or even if it happened because of your input.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:43 AM (kcfmt)
713
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:38 AM (yh0zB)
Actually, it all grew out of the abortion discussion. Beginning of life ...
Actually, it all grew out of the abortion discussion. Beginning of life ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:43 AM (X3lox)
714
Now come here and pick me up so we can go cruising for chicks.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:41 AM (4ixH5)
I like the way you think...
I seem to be built to whack off and make snarky comments on right-leaning smart military blogs.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:42 AM (4ixH5)
Aw...Robert guessed what I'm doing right now...
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:41 AM (4ixH5)
I like the way you think...
I seem to be built to whack off and make snarky comments on right-leaning smart military blogs.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:42 AM (4ixH5)
Aw...Robert guessed what I'm doing right now...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:44 AM (yh0zB)
715
Actually, it all grew out of the abortion discussion. Beginning of life ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:43 AM (X3lox)
Ah, the age-old "when does it begin" question...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:43 AM (X3lox)
Ah, the age-old "when does it begin" question...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:45 AM (yh0zB)
716
Robert'
Ya KNOW DAMN WELL all the bars are closed now lest you be jet'n to the Beast Coast for the "OPEN TIL OPEN" types of establishments!
You GO BOY!!
Robert'
Ya KNOW DAMN WELL all the bars are closed now lest you be jet'n to the Beast Coast for the "OPEN TIL OPEN" types of establishments!
You GO BOY!!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:47 AM (wlisC)
717
Actually I'm uploading pictures of the Stangs R Us show in Dunn yesterday. It was a pretty good show, six of the eleven club cars made off with trophys. Not mine, I don't like to clean mine that well so I just display it, not show it for judging.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:48 AM (yh0zB)
718
The use of quantum processes in computing has been a very active field. One that didn't even exist just a few years ago. It seems probable that if consciousness begins at the quantum level there will be hardware suited to testing the idea and implementing applications if it should seem useful. One area of research should serve to inspire the other and vice versa.
Posted by: epobirs at August 26, 2012 04:48 AM (kcfmt)
719
Aw...Robert guessed what I'm doing right now...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:44 AM (yh0zB)
Mop's in the closet.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:44 AM (yh0zB)
Mop's in the closet.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:49 AM (4ixH5)
720
I was told there would be no math. QM is all math.
Posted by: Zakn at August 26, 2012 04:49 AM (q/891)
721
You GO BOY!!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:47 AM (wlisC)
I heard "You GO BOY, BOY!!!!!"
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:47 AM (wlisC)
I heard "You GO BOY, BOY!!!!!"
Posted by: Maureen Dowd, canny and perceptive at August 26, 2012 04:50 AM (4ixH5)
722
>>>He was looking for probabilistic events to explain something that could not be described in any concrete way without sounding silly or violating the Second Law by spontaneously organizing but in a certain indeterminate way.
Superficially this sounds much like the Christian apologetic argument against evolution through the invocation of the Second Law, the exact argument being that since entropy increases over time, biological systems cannot become spontaneously complex over time. I am still not sure if this is what you are saying or if it is completely different.
In any case, increasing entropy in biology paradoxically means increasing complexity, which is why that argument is not effective.
This grappling with a definition of consciousness is very interesting. Can't say I've read about it before.
Superficially this sounds much like the Christian apologetic argument against evolution through the invocation of the Second Law, the exact argument being that since entropy increases over time, biological systems cannot become spontaneously complex over time. I am still not sure if this is what you are saying or if it is completely different.
In any case, increasing entropy in biology paradoxically means increasing complexity, which is why that argument is not effective.
This grappling with a definition of consciousness is very interesting. Can't say I've read about it before.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:50 AM (csi6Y)
723
poontangs R Us show
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:48 AM (yh0zB)
tell me more.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:48 AM (yh0zB)
tell me more.
Posted by: Maureen Dowd, canny and perceptive at August 26, 2012 04:51 AM (4ixH5)
724
@710
feynman was making a funny quip about how difficult quantum mechanics is to understand from a classical veiwpoint. a whole generation of physicists has now grown up for taking for granted some of the initially bizarre results of quantum experiments that were taking place during feynman's time.
these days, we understand quantum mechanics pretty well.
~
yes, in the case of most quantum physics, "well-studied" is synonymous with "well-understood", since the majority of our modern theoretical understandings are informed by mathematical analysis. you could spend a few moments looking up self-energy and realising that it isn't some sort of obscure property that makes quantum theory self-contradictory at the macroscale like you're thinking, or you can keep bleating about the confidence you have in the human race to progress much further than the technology of the 21st century...
~
i'm not going to sit here with you and go over my knowledge of genetics, epigenetics, and protein synthesis in a comment thread on the internet!! whether you think i know what i'm talking about is irrelevant; that you are making statements that are easily contradicted by a cursory knowledge of the state of the biomedical arts -- specifically, of the speed with which neural imaging and data analysis techniques are advancing technologically -- is perhaps not!
i don't care that you don't listen to me -- you really would be a fool to listen to anyone on the internet without doing your own corroborative research! -- but you ought to look things up before you make these qualitative statements about self-energy and the capacity of the human race to understand its constituent parts!
anyway i am folding butterflies until i fall asleep; good evening!
feynman was making a funny quip about how difficult quantum mechanics is to understand from a classical veiwpoint. a whole generation of physicists has now grown up for taking for granted some of the initially bizarre results of quantum experiments that were taking place during feynman's time.
these days, we understand quantum mechanics pretty well.
~
yes, in the case of most quantum physics, "well-studied" is synonymous with "well-understood", since the majority of our modern theoretical understandings are informed by mathematical analysis. you could spend a few moments looking up self-energy and realising that it isn't some sort of obscure property that makes quantum theory self-contradictory at the macroscale like you're thinking, or you can keep bleating about the confidence you have in the human race to progress much further than the technology of the 21st century...
~
i'm not going to sit here with you and go over my knowledge of genetics, epigenetics, and protein synthesis in a comment thread on the internet!! whether you think i know what i'm talking about is irrelevant; that you are making statements that are easily contradicted by a cursory knowledge of the state of the biomedical arts -- specifically, of the speed with which neural imaging and data analysis techniques are advancing technologically -- is perhaps not!
i don't care that you don't listen to me -- you really would be a fool to listen to anyone on the internet without doing your own corroborative research! -- but you ought to look things up before you make these qualitative statements about self-energy and the capacity of the human race to understand its constituent parts!
anyway i am folding butterflies until i fall asleep; good evening!
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 04:53 AM (79EF9)
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:53 AM (wlisC)
726
Ya KNOW DAMN WELL all the bars are closed now lest
you be jet'n to the Beast Coast for the "OPEN TIL OPEN" types of
establishments!
You GO BOY!!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:47 AM (wlisC)
Well, there is this not too far away from me...
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/165846/
you be jet'n to the Beast Coast for the "OPEN TIL OPEN" types of
establishments!
You GO BOY!!
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 04:47 AM (wlisC)
Well, there is this not too far away from me...
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/165846/
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:57 AM (yh0zB)
727
Good ngiht, Richard!
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:57 AM (4ixH5)
728
Why the fuck is "night" so damned hard to spell sometimes?
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:58 AM (4ixH5)
729
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:50 AM (csi6Y
There's a difference between increasing complexity and consciousness (as it is generally understood - as an initiatory meta-force). Both organize but one is understood to be directed.
The Second Law, of course, does limit the overall amount that any system's entropy can be reduced. For instance, if we were ever to grow our population enough to cover a sizable part of the universe (not just humans, but whatever sorts of living forms or organizing systems were to spread out and multiply) then we would run into a definite entropy problem. But, on a tiny scale there's no real issue with that, obviously - though it still costs a ton of energy to keep from disappearing in a sea of entropy.
There's a difference between increasing complexity and consciousness (as it is generally understood - as an initiatory meta-force). Both organize but one is understood to be directed.
The Second Law, of course, does limit the overall amount that any system's entropy can be reduced. For instance, if we were ever to grow our population enough to cover a sizable part of the universe (not just humans, but whatever sorts of living forms or organizing systems were to spread out and multiply) then we would run into a definite entropy problem. But, on a tiny scale there's no real issue with that, obviously - though it still costs a ton of energy to keep from disappearing in a sea of entropy.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 04:58 AM (X3lox)
730
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/165846/
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:57 AM (yh0zB)
If ever a story needed mroe pictures...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:57 AM (yh0zB)
If ever a story needed mroe pictures...
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:58 AM (4ixH5)
731
>>>you could spend a few moments looking up self-energy and realising that it isn't some sort of obscure property that makes quantum theory self-contradictory at the macroscale like you're thinking
Really, because in 2005 no less than Roger Penrose was grappling with fitting quantum mechanics to the macroscale. And here we are still without a GUT. But I am pleased to know that in the last seven odd years these 60-year mysteries have been definitively answered???
>>>i'm not going to sit here with you and go over my knowledge of genetics, epigenetics, and protein synthesis in a comment thread on the internet!!
How does namedropping common biological processes lend any credence to the idea that we can build a human brain?
This is all your post is, a giant namedropping wankfest.
Really, because in 2005 no less than Roger Penrose was grappling with fitting quantum mechanics to the macroscale. And here we are still without a GUT. But I am pleased to know that in the last seven odd years these 60-year mysteries have been definitively answered???
>>>i'm not going to sit here with you and go over my knowledge of genetics, epigenetics, and protein synthesis in a comment thread on the internet!!
How does namedropping common biological processes lend any credence to the idea that we can build a human brain?
This is all your post is, a giant namedropping wankfest.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:59 AM (csi6Y)
732
*could
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 05:00 AM (csi6Y)
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 05:00 AM (wlisC)
734
poontangs R Us show
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:48 AM (yh0zB)
tell me more.
Posted by: Maureen Dowd, canny and perceptive at August 26, 2012 04:51 AM (4ixH5)
and oddly enough, the aforementioned establishment is in the same locale as the car show...not that one had anything to do with the other, of course...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 04:48 AM (yh0zB)
tell me more.
Posted by: Maureen Dowd, canny and perceptive at August 26, 2012 04:51 AM (4ixH5)
and oddly enough, the aforementioned establishment is in the same locale as the car show...not that one had anything to do with the other, of course...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 05:01 AM (yh0zB)
735
This is all your post is, a giant namedropping wankfest.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:59 AM (csi6Y)
You try to tell people, but they don't listen!
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 04:59 AM (csi6Y)
You try to tell people, but they don't listen!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 05:02 AM (bxiXv)
736
If ever a story needed mroe pictures...
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:58 AM (4ixH5)
um...no, it really doesn't. Trust me on this.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 04:58 AM (4ixH5)
um...no, it really doesn't. Trust me on this.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 05:02 AM (yh0zB)
737
um...no, it really doesn't. Trust me on this.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 05:02 AM (yh0zB)
Fatties need love and dollar bills stuffed down their panties, too.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 05:02 AM (yh0zB)
Fatties need love and dollar bills stuffed down their panties, too.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 05:05 AM (4ixH5)
738
must be time for a new keeboard or somethink
c-ya
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 05:00 AM (wlisC)
My fingers don't fing so well.
G'night!
c-ya
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2012 05:00 AM (wlisC)
My fingers don't fing so well.
G'night!
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 05:05 AM (4ixH5)
739
>>>There's a difference between increasing complexity and consciousness (as it is generally understood - as an initiatory meta-force). Both organize but one is understood to be directed.
Okay, I suspected it might be different.
I've long thought that the issue of consciousness is one of the most flummoxing questions to hammer a true naturalist on, but nobody brings it up.
>>>For instance, if we were ever to grow our population enough to cover a sizable part of the universe (not just humans, but whatever sorts of living forms or organizing systems were to spread out and multiply) then we would run into a definite entropy problem.
Please elaborate. What is a sizable part of the universe? Most of the habitable planets? Most of the planets, period? And what would be the nature of this entropy problem? Curious.
Okay, I suspected it might be different.
I've long thought that the issue of consciousness is one of the most flummoxing questions to hammer a true naturalist on, but nobody brings it up.
>>>For instance, if we were ever to grow our population enough to cover a sizable part of the universe (not just humans, but whatever sorts of living forms or organizing systems were to spread out and multiply) then we would run into a definite entropy problem.
Please elaborate. What is a sizable part of the universe? Most of the habitable planets? Most of the planets, period? And what would be the nature of this entropy problem? Curious.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 05:06 AM (csi6Y)
740
Fatties need love and dollar bills stuffed down their panties, too.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 05:05 AM (4ixH5)
As long as it's just dollar bills.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 05:05 AM (4ixH5)
As long as it's just dollar bills.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 05:06 AM (bxiXv)
741
As long as it's just dollar bills.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 05:06 AM (bxiXv)
You can substitute doughnuts.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2012 05:06 AM (bxiXv)
You can substitute doughnuts.
Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2012 05:10 AM (4ixH5)
742
Please elaborate. What is a sizable part of the
universe? Most of the habitable planets? Most of the planets, period?
And what would be the nature of this entropy problem? Curious.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 05:06 AM (csi6Y)
I'm speaking about gigantic numbers. 10% of the universe. That sort of huge. It's kind of crazy, but if it were to happen then energy cost of that large system of lowered entropy (and continuing to be lowered) would be too much for the universe to support. In general, this is just the normal "heat death" issue sped up and localized to "our" environment which would have grown large enough to be "noticed" at a universal level.
But, then, the basic dilemma of modern physics (not including String Theory and the like since they are still just jerking off without any verifying tests or anything even close) is that the universe dies, no matter what. It's all just a matter of mass, at this point.
universe? Most of the habitable planets? Most of the planets, period?
And what would be the nature of this entropy problem? Curious.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 05:06 AM (csi6Y)
I'm speaking about gigantic numbers. 10% of the universe. That sort of huge. It's kind of crazy, but if it were to happen then energy cost of that large system of lowered entropy (and continuing to be lowered) would be too much for the universe to support. In general, this is just the normal "heat death" issue sped up and localized to "our" environment which would have grown large enough to be "noticed" at a universal level.
But, then, the basic dilemma of modern physics (not including String Theory and the like since they are still just jerking off without any verifying tests or anything even close) is that the universe dies, no matter what. It's all just a matter of mass, at this point.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2012 05:15 AM (X3lox)
743
Accelerated heat death? Hmm, all right. I don't think I understand the details but I'm wrapping around the general picture. Thanks and good night.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 05:26 AM (csi6Y)
744
Barky has gotten smart. He is not going to put all of his ACORNs in one corn hole!
Posted by: Barney F. at August 26, 2012 05:39 AM (VswEk)
745
zakn on? if so, my writeup should be hitting your email in about a half hour as I'm just wrapping it up
Posted by: The Dude at August 26, 2012 05:45 AM (tw6Ar)
746
"Really, because in 2005 no less than Roger Penrose was grappling with fitting quantum mechanics to the macroscale. And here we are still without a GUT. But I am pleased to know that in the last seven odd years these 60-year mysteries have been definitively answered???"
...you don't have any clue about what you're talking about...not the FIRST particular. you've made a rather large leap from "you clearly don't understand self-energy" -- which you clearly don't -- to "quantum mechanics and general relativity have been reconciled at black holes", which is what i assume you must be thinking of since you won't provide any specifics!
"How does namedropping common biological processes lend any credence to the idea that we can build a human brain?
This is all your post is, a giant namedropping wankfest."
...
lololololol
says the guy who invokes "roger penrose" when he gets caught in his ignorance about self energy! xD
listen, my pointing in rattling off a list of biological processes and fields of study involved in our knowledge of dna biochemistry was to point out how ridiculous it would be to sit here and meticulously visit every step involved in remodelling such a complex chemical system as DNA.
you shouldn't confuse my refusal to turn this ont into a redundant explanation of how dna works with humans' inability to understand and eventually recreate the chemistry involved. it may not happen in your lifetime. may not even happen in my lifetime. but eventually, our command over the dna codebook will be so extensive that we'll be able to change our eye colour at will, eliminate unsightly hereditary features, and totally eradicate genetic disease.
the brain is just the next system after DNA.
anyway, i'm pretty sure my knowledge speaks for itself. you, on the other hand, are pretty much making a clown of yourself pivoting back and forth between concepts you clearly don't understand in even any superficial depth at all.
...you don't have any clue about what you're talking about...not the FIRST particular. you've made a rather large leap from "you clearly don't understand self-energy" -- which you clearly don't -- to "quantum mechanics and general relativity have been reconciled at black holes", which is what i assume you must be thinking of since you won't provide any specifics!
"How does namedropping common biological processes lend any credence to the idea that we can build a human brain?
This is all your post is, a giant namedropping wankfest."
...
lololololol
says the guy who invokes "roger penrose" when he gets caught in his ignorance about self energy! xD
listen, my pointing in rattling off a list of biological processes and fields of study involved in our knowledge of dna biochemistry was to point out how ridiculous it would be to sit here and meticulously visit every step involved in remodelling such a complex chemical system as DNA.
you shouldn't confuse my refusal to turn this ont into a redundant explanation of how dna works with humans' inability to understand and eventually recreate the chemistry involved. it may not happen in your lifetime. may not even happen in my lifetime. but eventually, our command over the dna codebook will be so extensive that we'll be able to change our eye colour at will, eliminate unsightly hereditary features, and totally eradicate genetic disease.
the brain is just the next system after DNA.
anyway, i'm pretty sure my knowledge speaks for itself. you, on the other hand, are pretty much making a clown of yourself pivoting back and forth between concepts you clearly don't understand in even any superficial depth at all.
Posted by: jimi ray at August 26, 2012 05:50 AM (79EF9)
747
Sweet man thanks. Enjoyed watching creator win this morning
Posted by: Zakn at August 26, 2012 05:51 AM (q/891)
748
http://tinyurl.com/8mxldho bwahahaha comments are gold
Posted by: Zakn at August 26, 2012 05:56 AM (q/891)
749
yeah....writing about the clusterfuck between KeSPA and EFL is fucking HARD without boring people
Posted by: The Dude at August 26, 2012 06:12 AM (tw6Ar)
750
half hour late but it's been sent
Posted by: The Dude at August 26, 2012 06:54 AM (tw6Ar)
751
the brain is just the next system after DNA.
We don't want to duplicate the function of the human brain. Its a flawed broken model that can result in thing like Obama and Nancy Pelosi.
We don't want to duplicate the function of the human brain. Its a flawed broken model that can result in thing like Obama and Nancy Pelosi.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 07:10 AM (w78gy)
752
I hope nawlins got its shit together. NOAA keeps bending this storm track to the left...and they're within the cone now.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 07:13 AM (w78gy)
753
"And that's really the problem with this dump the
social conservatism and embrace the fiscal conservatism meme-there are
not that many officeholders one can really describe as fiscal
conservatives. Who am I supposed to embrace?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (qZXps)"
Fiscal Conservatives, what a joke. Even the most fiscal con of the fiscal cons, Paul Ryan, budgetary plans and entitlement reforms are so watered down that they only slow the rate of growth of our debt problems. This is how fucked up our political system is. According to Republican pundits, social cons need to shut the fuck up so we can get enough power to slow down the eventual fiscal and economic collapse. Not fix anything mind you, just slow shit down.
social conservatism and embrace the fiscal conservatism meme-there are
not that many officeholders one can really describe as fiscal
conservatives. Who am I supposed to embrace?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2012 12:36 AM (qZXps)"
Fiscal Conservatives, what a joke. Even the most fiscal con of the fiscal cons, Paul Ryan, budgetary plans and entitlement reforms are so watered down that they only slow the rate of growth of our debt problems. This is how fucked up our political system is. According to Republican pundits, social cons need to shut the fuck up so we can get enough power to slow down the eventual fiscal and economic collapse. Not fix anything mind you, just slow shit down.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 26, 2012 07:17 AM (GZitp)
754
Even the most fiscal con of the fiscal cons, Paul Ryan, budgetary plans
and entitlement reforms are so watered down that they only slow the rate
of growth of our debt problems
This is because Ryan is a political realist as well. Its pointless to come out of the gate asking for something you can't get. Take what you can, then when the public has gotten used to that, go for more. Its like putting a junkie on a methadone program. Just getting them into the program is in itself a major accomplishment.
and entitlement reforms are so watered down that they only slow the rate
of growth of our debt problems
This is because Ryan is a political realist as well. Its pointless to come out of the gate asking for something you can't get. Take what you can, then when the public has gotten used to that, go for more. Its like putting a junkie on a methadone program. Just getting them into the program is in itself a major accomplishment.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 07:30 AM (w78gy)
755
Realistically, we're looking at a 20-30 year MINIMUM turn around time for this country...and that's doing everything to perfection.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 07:32 AM (w78gy)
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"This is because Ryan is a political realist as well."
Kind of the point ain't it? How fucked up is it that it's political poison to even address our fiscal realities? The same goes for our cultural problems, we're worried about social conservatives when every cultural progressive ideological agenda issue doesn't just get enacted, it pushed down our throat at warp speed. For the past twenty-five years it's like it's been a race to see how fast we can fuck up everything, culturally and economically.
Kind of the point ain't it? How fucked up is it that it's political poison to even address our fiscal realities? The same goes for our cultural problems, we're worried about social conservatives when every cultural progressive ideological agenda issue doesn't just get enacted, it pushed down our throat at warp speed. For the past twenty-five years it's like it's been a race to see how fast we can fuck up everything, culturally and economically.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 26, 2012 07:46 AM (GZitp)
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For the past twenty-five years it's like it's been a
race to see how fast we can fuck up everything, culturally and
economically.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 26, 2012 07:46 AM (GZitp)
So I guess we will just have to wait for the crash, then, and see what we can salvage from the ashes.
Speaking of crashing...night all! Work tonight so I won't be catching back up with you roonz/ettez until Wednesday night. B-I-L wants me to take a trip to FL next weekend...we'll see how that goes.
race to see how fast we can fuck up everything, culturally and
economically.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 26, 2012 07:46 AM (GZitp)
So I guess we will just have to wait for the crash, then, and see what we can salvage from the ashes.
Speaking of crashing...night all! Work tonight so I won't be catching back up with you roonz/ettez until Wednesday night. B-I-L wants me to take a trip to FL next weekend...we'll see how that goes.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 26, 2012 07:49 AM (yh0zB)
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How fucked up is it that it's political poison to even address our fiscal realities?
Well, its taken ~80 years to fuck it up this bad. There's a lot of inoperative belief systems that need to be turned around and that won't happen overnight.
For a significant percentage of the population (probably around 30%) it will never happen...they'll cling to their phantom divisions and secret weapons even as the bunker crashes down around them.
Well, its taken ~80 years to fuck it up this bad. There's a lot of inoperative belief systems that need to be turned around and that won't happen overnight.
For a significant percentage of the population (probably around 30%) it will never happen...they'll cling to their phantom divisions and secret weapons even as the bunker crashes down around them.
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 07:55 AM (w78gy)
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Oh my...quite a few models got Isaac center punching NO.
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Posted by: @PurpAv at August 26, 2012 08:04 AM (w78gy)
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>>>...you don't have any clue about what you're talking about..
I thought you might come back to snipe at 5:50 am. Nevertheless, your entire post boils down to "I know more than you!"
The problem of course, being, that
1) you have the burden of proof, having made an assertion under question, and then refused to provide any real evidence or argumentation
2) you have only demonstrated your ability to recite scientific terms and your unshakeable belief that time will cure all.
But I'm supposed to take it that jimi ray is a scientific authority because he can type "I told you so!!" followed by "xP" "o.o"
jimi ray did tell me we will be able to change our eye color and physical features at will, though, so it must be true. And our lifespans will be extended to perpetuity, and our cars will run on cold fusion. Simplistic conjectures from a pie-in-the-sky thinker.
I thought you might come back to snipe at 5:50 am. Nevertheless, your entire post boils down to "I know more than you!"
The problem of course, being, that
1) you have the burden of proof, having made an assertion under question, and then refused to provide any real evidence or argumentation
2) you have only demonstrated your ability to recite scientific terms and your unshakeable belief that time will cure all.
But I'm supposed to take it that jimi ray is a scientific authority because he can type "I told you so!!" followed by "xP" "o.o"
jimi ray did tell me we will be able to change our eye color and physical features at will, though, so it must be true. And our lifespans will be extended to perpetuity, and our cars will run on cold fusion. Simplistic conjectures from a pie-in-the-sky thinker.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 26, 2012 10:44 AM (csi6Y)
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