NYT/CBS Poll: In Ohio and Florida, Romney Holds Edge With Seniors On... Medicare

I know you're sick of Akin, but this is what steams my craw: The party was executing a brilliant and successful plan to actually win and repeal ObamaCare, and then Todd Akin decided it would be a good idea to let Democrats rule for another generation.

Anyway. This is from Media Matters' favorite Greg Sergent, so you know these words burned his dumb little fingers as he typed them.

Today’s big New York Times/CBS/Quinnipiac poll found some good news for Barack Obama: In Ohio, Wisconsin, and Florida, voters think Obama would do a better job than Mitt Romney handling Medicare by margins of eight to 10 points. Blowback against Paul Ryan?

Well, I’ve got the breakdown of these numbers among seniors, and they are far less encouraging for Obama: In two out of the three states, voters over 65 prefer Romney on Medicare, and in the third, Obama leads, but by a smaller margin. The breakdown sent over by CBS:

* In Florida, 48 percent of seniors say Romney would do a better job on Medicare, versus 44 percent who say that about Obama (the Ryan pick was supposed to be particularly problematic in this state).

* In Ohio, 49 percent of seniors say Romney would do a better job on Medicare, versus 43 percent who say that about Obama.

* In Wisconsin, 49 percent say Obama would do a better job on Medicare, versus 46 percent who say that about Romney. Close.

And yet as a general matter Obama still leads on this issue, with groups like the very young, who are, alas, quite stupid.

To spin this a little: Seniors are leading indicators on public sentiment on this issue. Why do I say that? Because they have shown over the years that they are very, very interested in the issue. Ergo, we can generally treat seniors as Informed Voters on Medicare, and we can guess that the younger cohorts are less informed, all the way down to "completely uninformed" (the young Obamabots).

Now, if they're leading indicators, this is optimistic, because it suggests that as other cohorts inform themselves over the course of the campaign, they too will come to favor Romney/Ryan over Obama/Choo-Choo Charlie on the issue.

Either way, the third rail is not electrocuting us; it's powering us. As third rails are supposed to.

People seem to forget that part of the metaphor.

Posted by: Ace at 03:42 PM



Comments

1 No no, it's all over.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at August 23, 2012 03:44 PM (aHR5E)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 03:44 PM (8y9MW)

3 It makes sense. Senior chicks can't get pregnant no matter what you do to them.

Posted by: entropy at August 23, 2012 03:44 PM (TULs6)

4 "Ergo"?

Eggos aren't bad with a little cheese and butter mixed in

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2012 03:45 PM (05RcU)

5 SOON.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 23, 2012 03:45 PM (XvHmy)

6 I'm polled out.....

Posted by: Tami at August 23, 2012 03:45 PM (X6akg)

7 >>>and we can guess that the younger cohorts are less informed, all the way down to "completely uninformed" (the young Obamabots).

Halo 4 comes out on November 6th. They'll be too busy yelling 'FAG!' into their headsets to get out and vote anyway.

Posted by: El Kabong at August 23, 2012 03:46 PM (tBduy)

8 So the Akin Achin' isn't really getting any traction with actual Voter-Americans?

Well that's a good thing. Seems like the Democrat/Obama Mediscare tactic worked. Now seniors are scared of the Democrats and Obama.

Posted by: Mikey NTH wondering if the water in Missouri is being tested at August 23, 2012 03:46 PM (hLRSq)

9 Senior chicks can't get pregnant no matter what you do to them.
Posted by: entropy at August 23, 2012 03:44 PM (TULs6)


Yeah but if we hit you in the head with a coffee mug at the top of the stairs you still die like the dirty male dog you are

Posted by: OldLadyTennisUmp at August 23, 2012 03:46 PM (05RcU)

10 Halo 4 comes out on November 6th. They'll be too busy yelling 'FAG!' into their headsets to get out and vote anyway.

Posted by: El Kabong at August 23, 2012 03:46 PM (tBduy)


I'm in ur election booth, voting out ur SCoaMF.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 23, 2012 03:47 PM (XvHmy)

11 Akin actually isn't doing too much nationally; he might be in the news but Romney hasn't gone down at all. People are smart enough not to tie Romney with a dingbat from MO. By next week Akin will start seeping into the background, but it's still a loss of a Senate seat.

Posted by: MJH at August 23, 2012 03:47 PM (UF0og)

12 Ok. I'm starting to jump on the CAC bandwagon. Fuck Akin. We need to throw efforts and money in other directions and count that one as a loss.

We'll get him out next go around.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 23, 2012 03:47 PM (UK9cE)

13 Bless Grey Sergent's little heart.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2012 03:47 PM (UOM48)

14 Akin is tightly shut within his own personal oyster. The guy who partially created and is thoroughly enjoying our pain is Huckabee. Pressure on Huckabee, including loss of any real voice or respect, is now the center of gravity in this fight.

Posted by: Popcorn at August 23, 2012 03:48 PM (2tpzp)

15 >>>10 I'm in ur election booth, voting out ur SCoaMF.

"Man, I've been playing for 16 hours straight. Time to take a break."

"Wait, why is Rachel Maddow sobbing and putting rope around her neck?"

Posted by: El Kabong at August 23, 2012 03:48 PM (tBduy)

16
I'm sick of hearing about Akin, but only because each time I do hear about him, I start thinking all over again about how bad he has screwed us over with this. And he probably thinks he's doing God's will or something.

If I have to have McCaskill as my senator for six more years, it will be unbearable.

Posted by: T at August 23, 2012 03:49 PM (IWwgs)

17

Not to mention - blue hairs actually vote.

Posted by: more Jeff & bourbon pls at August 23, 2012 03:49 PM (IPhbB)

18 From the sidebar (is there a proper place to comment on sidebar items?) article on the sword fighting dude, I think I want to take a passage and use it in my next cover letter:

"I can speak with conviction and write with confidence. From my vantage
point my core assumptions on the topic carry a certain gravitas. There
is little speculation or conjecture, no imagined theories or concocted
assumptions at work, only sound interpretation and application of real
world skills ... And the questions I seek answers to
are not ones most people would even know to ask."

The job is mine!

Posted by: Crispian at August 23, 2012 03:49 PM (uBMtY)

19
Ace:
"I know you're sick of Akin, but this is what steams my craw: The party was executing a brilliant and successful plan to actually win and repeal ObamaCare, and then Todd Akin decided it would be a good idea to let Democrats rule for another generation."

--------

^^THIS!!^^

Some of us see this for the Train Wreck that it is, Ace.
I know that there are 'other things' going on out there....but the MSM has only just begun to stroke this.
They are still playing with it....like a Cat playing with a fat mouse.

Posted by: wheatie at August 23, 2012 03:49 PM (mtRB0)

20
>>I'm polled out.....

Put me in, coach!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 23, 2012 03:49 PM (/qDtw)

21 "The party was executing a brilliant and successful plan to actually win and repeal ObamaCare, and then Todd Akin decided it would be a good idea to let Democrats rule for another generation."

Yes. This. I don't care if someone steps on their own d*ck, but don't step on mine.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at August 23, 2012 03:50 PM (PReJ3)

22 Bullshit. Romney is going to win the senior vote, McCain won it by 8 points for fucks sake. He needs to win the senior vote by a large margin, so even if a large minority of them prefer Obama on Medicare it is going to be a problem. It also could depress turnout.

Posted by: Reality Check at August 23, 2012 03:50 PM (hvzWz)

23 The Mets sure find weird ways to lose

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2012 03:51 PM (05RcU)

24 Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 23, 2012 03:49 PM (/qDtw)



Go back to your donkey show, bitch.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 23, 2012 03:51 PM (UK9cE)

25 Dear Evangelicals defending Akin,

If you want to legislate your beliefs, you have to get into power to do it. In order to get into power, you need to convince a majority of the country that you are correct.

But instead, you've decided that you're going to align yourself with fiscons against the Demo Horde and you'll just try and skip that whole, difficult, convincing people of your argument thing, becuase, SHUT UP!

So now, you prevent socons and fiscons from having the power to promote sound fiscal policy, and any positive social policy. As a proud socon and fiscon, I lament your idiocy.

Point? Why yes I do have a point. You're called evangelicals. PHU#K!N5 EVANGELIZE! Convince people of right action. Demonstrate to people that they have legitimate options, be they adoption, assistance to single parents, etc. Do this in county fairs and on main street and at Fourth of July parades. Maybe you'll get somewhere and quit dragging the fiscons down to the hell of minority party status and watching our country go down the crapper.

Posted by: NewEnglandDevil at August 23, 2012 03:51 PM (73P68)

26
11 Akin actually isn't doing too much nationally; he might be in the news but Romney hasn't gone down at all. People are smart enough not to tie Romney with a dingbat from MO. By next week Akin will start seeping into the background, but it's still a loss of a Senate seat.
Posted by: MJH at August 23, 2012 03:47 PM (UF0og)


We'll probably need to wait until all the polls have cycled out polling data from before Rapin' Akin's comments to know for certain that it hasn't harmed Romney. I really do hope it doesn't and the damage this idiot caused is only limited to his race. Still, it would have been nice to kick McCaskill out of the senate.

Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2012 03:51 PM (GULKT)

27 But seniors are pro-abortion, so the Dems love affair with abortion after this Akin mess is probably just going to change this.

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 03:51 PM (gmeXX)

28 Let me add my voice to those saying "We're done" on Akin.

I'm not scared of the Media anymore. They're not winning anymore. The necessary candidates have repudiated Akin and his comments. Which was necessary. Now it's time to start answering with "FYNQ."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 03:51 PM (8y9MW)

29
Hey all you non-believers, you were probably just paid off...OOOHHHH IS THAT A PIE, ACE!!??

Posted by: Mike Huckabee at August 23, 2012 03:52 PM (F6KtL)

30
In with a Sandra Fluke sock before the 'COME WID IT NOW', guy.

Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2012 03:52 PM (/qDtw)

31 " The party was executing a brilliant and successful plan to actually win
and repeal ObamaCare, and then Todd Akin decided it would be a good
idea to let Democrats rule for another generation."

Does Ace read his own blog?

The odds of taking the Senate have dropped from 98.6% to 95.1%.

Sure, we all want to win MO, but Akin isn't going to let the Dems win.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 03:52 PM (dX4hn)

32 It also could depress turnout.
Posted by: Reality Check at August 23, 2012 03:50 PM (hvzWz)

What mostly depresses turn out amongst the elderly is death, except in Chicago or those astute enough to get an absentee ballot and vote in advance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2012 03:53 PM (05RcU)

33 Does Ace read his own blog?


Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 03:52 PM (dX4hn)



You new here?

Posted by: Tami at August 23, 2012 03:54 PM (X6akg)

34 Here in Central Ohio the anti-Soetoro fervor is plain to see! Barry is seen as a fraud, charlatan, thief, liar and all around douche. And that is just the polite geezers.

Posted by: Ground Zero: 43130 at August 23, 2012 03:54 PM (msPO3)

35 To spin this a little: Seniors are leading indicators on public sentiment on this issue. Why do I say that? Because they have shown over the years that they are very, very interested in the issue.
___

Seniors came out practically in one voice against Obamacare. Remember that video where the AARP drone was trying to school the poor stupid seniors on the joys of Barkycare, and instead they ate her lunch?

Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2012 03:54 PM (jm/9g)

36 Really? You managed to post a non-Akin polling story and still put his name in the first graph?

Head, desk, some assembly required...

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 23, 2012 03:54 PM (dcoFe)

37
>>Does Ace read his own blog?

Does anyone?

Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2012 03:54 PM (/qDtw)

38 @16. From someone who was in Sheila Jackson Lee's district for years, I feel for you.

But I still think there is a good chance that she will not be your senator. You still have hope. I never did.

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 03:55 PM (gmeXX)

39 At this point, does it look like Romney could concentrate on Unemployment, The Economy, Medicare, and maybe a few other issues, and cause the Akin problem to wilt, and still get 51 Senators?

I think so ... and quickly burying Akin in the local and regional media might be a very good idea.

Posted by: Arbalest at August 23, 2012 03:55 PM (/bHNF)

40 I'm only here for theriveting Pop-Tart debates.

Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2012 03:55 PM (/qDtw)

41
As big an issue as whether women want to be raped or not... I can't believe a few misinformed neatherthals will throw this race to the Marxists.
Akin will not be in the Senate, and Romney will be in the Whitehouse.
This too will pass... I hope.
And truth will win out in the end... I hope.

Posted by: petunia at August 23, 2012 03:55 PM (hgrmi)

42
@28 This! Screw MO it's time to move on......Romney/Ryan can handle this next week it will be another issue.

Someone at the Convention will state something common to conservative thought and the media will go off on GAFFE.....H8R.....BIGOTS ELEVENTY!!!!!

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 23, 2012 03:55 PM (R/8dI)

43
You know what it is?

Ace and others view these elections, and maybe rightly so, as the Republicans running through the gauntlet.

The Republicans attempt to run from point A to the finish line, point B, all the while being beaten.

This is the way it is, I guess. We're always on defense, and our offense is run by Trent Dilfer.

Posted by: Battlestar Soothactica at August 23, 2012 03:55 PM (9Q7Nu)

44 I was a crap player of an Organized Sport in high school. I'd say second string but that might be a little bit optimistic about where i stood in the scheme of things.

Anyway, in an early game, they called my number, me and a few other guys who were not good but were not hopeless. The game was still actually sort of live.

The coach told us, "Now we're going to let you play a while. *If you don't take a shit all over the field.*"

This is what I think Akin is missing. No one explicitly said it to him, like my coach did to me, but these things come with the proviso "so long as you don't take a shit all over the field."

Posted by: ace at August 23, 2012 03:56 PM (fxHyG)

45 Sure, we all want to win MO, but Akin isn't going to let the Dems win.


Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 03:52 PM (dX4hn)


WHAT?!? Surely you jest.

Everytime he opens his mouth, he sticks his ASS in it. He is going to lose and lose big. The voter turnout on the R side will be smaller than it is in Hawaii.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 23, 2012 03:56 PM (UK9cE)

46 LALALALA Can't hear you Obama's winning LALALALALA

Posted by: Dr. Gergenfly Tardyaso at August 23, 2012 03:56 PM (aHR5E)

47
a Pop Tart will save your life someday, you'll see

Posted by: Frosted Soothsayer at August 23, 2012 03:57 PM (9Q7Nu)

48 http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/23/look-at-all-the-civil-liberties-democrat

Why liberals are not keen to vote. Obama is just a politician now. And given the state of the economy, not a good one. I'm very very skeptical of the rosy AoSHQ electoral projections, but I think we can win if Obama's failure - not only of policy - but his failure to be OBAMA THE ONE is thrust into the public eye, remind the world what he promised to be.

Posted by: Crispian at August 23, 2012 03:57 PM (uBMtY)

49 This is what I think Akin is missing. No one explicitly said it to him,
like my coach did to me, but these things come with the proviso "so
long as you don't take a shit all over the field."


And after ~25 years in politics, you'd think he'd already know that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 03:57 PM (8y9MW)

50 So we "take " the Senate with one vote. Or we rely on Ryan to break a tie. What this means is that sqishiest RINO in the Senate is de facto in control. Yeah, we'll take the Senate. But we could have really, really used a seat or two as insurance against a party jumper or sitting R who has to be replaced because of some reason by a Dem governor.

Letting up the pressure on Akin is a mistake. And Huckabee, hasn't show the requisite team playing, needs a good cattle prod to the genitals.

Posted by: Popcorn at August 23, 2012 03:58 PM (2tpzp)

51 Who's gonna sign for the new 24 gross I've got here?

Posted by: Depends® delivery truck driver at August 23, 2012 03:58 PM (vDl/w)

52 "Wait, why is Rachel Maddow sobbing and putting rope around her neck?"

Posted by: El Kabong at August 23, 2012 03:48 PM (tBduy)


Exhibitionist auto-erotic asphyxiation?

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 23, 2012 03:58 PM (XvHmy)

53 But then I see some folks are bound and determined to assume we have already lost, so they can get to the cyanide first.

You can all be stupid if you want, but I'm not playing along.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 03:58 PM (dX4hn)

54 Awesome Texas billboard:

"The SEALs removed one threat to America.....remove the other in November."

http://tinyurl.com/9nso5uz

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 23, 2012 03:59 PM (UOM48)

55 Ace must have stock in Drano because he's sure selling the shit out of it as an after-dinner beverage this week.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 23, 2012 03:59 PM (dcoFe)

56 "Does Ace read his own blog?"

It was kind of rhetorical.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 03:59 PM (dX4hn)

57 People seem to forget that part of the metaphor.

Clever.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 23, 2012 03:59 PM (xSegX)

58 The party was executing a brilliant and successful plan to actually win and repeal ObamaCare, and then Todd Akin decided it would be a good idea to let Democrats rule for another generation.

Huh? I don't get any part of this statement. "The party" had to be dragged kicking and screaming to put the repeal of ObamaCare at the lead of the priority list (and having nominated Romney was not any indication of that). "The party" did nothing to stop ObamaCare and did nothing to really fight any part of it. "The party" screwed over the base after 2010 in every which way possible.

Yes, "the party" is the last chance now, but don't go making them out to be something they're clearly not. "The party" had no problem letting the biggest criminals in the world fly through Senate confirmation, the most ridiculous unqualified idiots in the world fly through Senate SCOTUS confirmation, the biggest crimes to ever come out of the WHite House fly through unopposed (oh ... there's a little movement on Fast and Furious, finally, but nothing on anything else, nothing on the illegal amnesty, nothing on the TSA expanding domestically, ...).

And now everything is going to be blamed on Akin? Okey doke. *shaking head in utter disbelief*

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 23, 2012 03:59 PM (X3lox)

59
The coach told us, "Now we're going to let you play a while. *If you don't take a shit all over the field.*"

Well folks, the draft pick from Endor is in at second base.
No. I am serious.
He's fully penetrated the bag. This has to be a first for most of you baseball fans out there.

Posted by: Bob Uecker at August 23, 2012 04:00 PM (/qDtw)

60 Back from "The City" and yet another Dr. I see I haven't missed anything.

Posted by: Vic at August 23, 2012 04:00 PM (YdQQY)

61 Gawker claims to leak massive confidential document dump of Romney's finances.

http://tinyurl.com/9crgwre

Posted by: Crashpanic at August 23, 2012 04:00 PM (MwPaI)

62 But then I see some folks are bound and determined to assume we have already lost, so they can get to the cyanide first.

You can all be stupid if you want, but I'm not playing along.


Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 03:58 PM (dX4hn)


Concentrate elsewhere. Akin has put himself above country. He's done. The people know it. He will lose and lose big.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 23, 2012 04:00 PM (UK9cE)

63
Your mouth, my dick...some assembly required

Posted by: Mike Huckabee at August 23, 2012 04:00 PM (F6KtL)

64
if the above is true, gee, I wonder where Gawker attained those documents...

Posted by: Frosted Soothsayer at August 23, 2012 04:00 PM (9Q7Nu)

65

Barry stealing that $716B from Medicare is not going over very well.

FINISH HIM!!!

Posted by: toby928© at August 23, 2012 04:01 PM (QupBk)

66 This is what I think Akin is missing. No one explicitly said it to him, like my coach did to me, but these things come with the proviso "so long as you don't take a shit all over the field."
Posted by: ace at August 23, 2012 03:56 PM (fxHyG)


And 30 minutes ago, Akin just downed a liter of Colon-Blo.

Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2012 04:01 PM (GULKT)

67
50....Letting up the pressure on Akin is a mistake. And Huckabee, hasn't show the requisite team playing, needs a good cattle prod to the genitals.

I would pay to see that.
No really.
I would.

Posted by: wheatie at August 23, 2012 04:01 PM (mtRB0)

68 The new logo, which incorporates a multicolored Windows symbol in addition to the "Microsoft" name in straightforward, lighter type, is intended to "signal the heritage but also signal the future — a newness and freshness," said Jeff Hansen, Microsoft's general manager of brand strategy.

It's coming at a time when the company is preparing to launch new or significantly updated versions of nearly every one of its products, from Windows to Windows Phone to Office.


My experience is that when the marketing departments have nothing else to do, they go for the logo. This doesn't give me a good feeling about Microsoft.

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at August 23, 2012 04:01 PM (e8kgV)

69 You would expect the Dems to do better having senile old Joe "I just crapped my pants" Biden on the ticket.

Posted by: Roy at August 23, 2012 04:02 PM (VndSC)

70 we were gonna kick Scoamf's ass in a low turnout election using seniors that grasped MATH!

Now thanks to Huck and Akin we are gonna have seniors offset with people who agree with fluke that birth control costs 1000 bucks a year....

and a certain portion of SoCon can't comprehend why FiCon doesn't just whrug....

Jesus lord please shut up about social issues and run on the damned economy!

Posted by: sven10077 at August 23, 2012 04:02 PM (LRFds)

71 Sheila Jackson Lee has been in politics for 25 years, yet she says dumb stuff all the time. Someone said it the other day, but when you don't really have to fight for votes to win, you (a) get stupid or rusty, or (b) it hides that you are stupid and rusty.

Competitive districts yield candidates who will vote more moderately, but also candidates who will probably not make stupid statements. You would think you could find both, but politics is tough. Reasonable and rational people, for good reason, will tend to want to avoid it.

So every election cycle, we are going to find a candidate that will hurt us. If there had been no reaction to Akin, he probably would have won. We reacted, maybe rightly so, but it now may cost us (that one seat) because he is too stuborn to leave.

We all wish for that perfect election, but I'm not sure it will ever materialize.

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 04:02 PM (gmeXX)

72
I wonder where Gawker attained those documents...

Nobody in the Obama Administration, I can assure you of that.

Posted by: Jay Carney at August 23, 2012 04:03 PM (/qDtw)

73 My experience is that when the marketing departments have nothing else
to do, they go for the logo. This doesn't give me a good feeling about
Microsoft.


I've seen the new logo. It's ugly.

I suspect Bill needs to take his company back over.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 04:03 PM (8y9MW)

74

Ace,

And Huckabee, bless his heart....has joined Akin in the shit-fest.
Together, they are turning it into a Turd Blizzard.

Posted by: wheatie at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (mtRB0)

75 The MOST likely result right now is that we take 6 seats and end up with 53 in the Senate. Taking only 4 would be a slight disappointment.

But by all means, keep with the rending and gnashing.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (dX4hn)

76 As dumb as the Republican Party often is, it appears the Dems are trying to give us a run for our money. They are completely changing their convention to double, nay quadruple down on abortion and the war on the wymens.

This is about the best thing they could do for us, 4 days of abortion talk is not gonna be a winner.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (TMB3S)

77 I need a poll that's flappable.........wait

Posted by: Bob, the latent ghey guy in the office at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (uRumV)

Posted by: No at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (uRumV)

79 shaking my head back at PrimalOrderedPair.

he seems to just think that Outrage and Principle are what it takes.

Posted by: ace at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (fxHyG)

80 Yes, AND they had to oversample Democrats by 6 points to even get to that number.

Romney leads with Independents in FL by 7 points, yet he still loses the state by 5 (according to the NYTimes).

THAT my friends, is what a biased sample will give you.

** Funny how these leftist pollsters always seem to oversample Democrats until they need a different result (Akin in MO by 1), then somehow miraculously they oversample Republicans by 9 points.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (hlUJY)

81 If you don't have a job, does Akin matter?
If you don't think medicare will be around for you, does Akin matter?
If you think the country is headed in the wrong direction, does Akin matter?
If you think the current president sucks worse than Jimmy Carter, does Akin matter?
Face it, on a scale of 1 to 10, abortion is near the bottom in the current environment, no matter what the MFM want to try and convince you.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (AD7g/)

82 @58. Well said.

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (gmeXX)

83 @39: Romney would concentrate on Unemployment, The Economy, Medicare.

The Media and the Democrats (BIRM) won't allow it.

Ever.

Akin is the party's nominee for Senate! they say.

Romney and Ryan can deny him, refute him, until they're blue in the face. The media won't end it until Akin ends it.

And even if he does, the questions will persist. But they'll look as disingenuous as George Stephanopolous' questions on birth control in the primaries.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at August 23, 2012 04:05 PM (C3KwS)

84 Does Ace read his own blog?

Does anyone?


I never did.

Posted by: Zombie Andrew Breitbart at August 23, 2012 04:06 PM (kqqGm)

85 Here is everything you need to know about sword fighting: Make sure you cut the other guy before he cuts you.

Posted by: Real World Sword Fighting at August 23, 2012 04:06 PM (Zs83Q)

86 I'm starting to hope this Akin thing is some Karl Rovian type plan to distract the Dems from what is important and force the discussion on their end to be all about abortion and all that shit. The public will see them as fucking stupid and blow the Kenyan back to his grass hut.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 23, 2012 04:06 PM (UK9cE)

87
here's a pic

it's funny 'cuz it's true

http://tinyurl.com/8o4nvfx

(link also in name)

Posted by: Frosted Soothsayer at August 23, 2012 04:06 PM (9Q7Nu)

88 For all of you that bash and beat on the baby boomers, it's going to be the boomers that'll get us away from the heavy thumb of complete socialism. We're the ones that remember the greatness of America. We're the ones that are willing to do what it takes to return to that.

And this is not taking away anything from the people in the younger generations that get it too. It's just that we know what it was like to be free from the nannyism that's become the norm now.

Posted by: Soona at August 23, 2012 04:06 PM (9jQZ7)

89 I like pizza ...

Posted by: Honey the Badger Tibialis at August 23, 2012 04:06 PM (GvYeG)

90 Polls are sucking life force from my being...ugg.

Posted by: Brian at August 23, 2012 04:06 PM (wTSvK)

91 More gravy, please.

*urp.*

Posted by: Revered Governor Michael Susan Huckabee at August 23, 2012 04:06 PM (MMC8r)

92 mmmm pizza.

Posted by: Brian at August 23, 2012 04:07 PM (wTSvK)

93 Last hour, CNN was trumpeting a poll saying 0% of blacks supported Romney.

Obama's the 'Bait Car' of dependence and poverty and almost the entire black electorate areoverjoyed at finding a nice car with the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition.

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at August 23, 2012 04:07 PM (8UijS)

94 I'm listening to Hannity on the radio right now - waiting on him to denounce Fuckabee...............how long should I wait?

Posted by: Not an Artist at August 23, 2012 04:07 PM (uRumV)

95 @83. Wait, when did the media become anti-republican. Is that a new thing?

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 04:07 PM (gmeXX)

96 OT but I about shit myself right now. A bolt fell out of my office chair and I flipped it over to put it back in. On the bottom there is a big sticker that says;
This chair is approved by the California Bureau of HomeFurnishings for flammability requiremnets. So I say to myself WTF is the CBOHF ?

This is from their about page:
The Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation (BHFTI), a government body under the California Department of Consumer Affairs, enforces the Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation Act, which protects consumers of upholstered furniture, bedding, and thermal insulation

And they wonder why we are BONED.

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 23, 2012 04:07 PM (nTgAI)

97
incidentally, did you know there's such a thing as a "libertarian socialist?"

yeah, they're all for low taxes and small government but they're too lazy to work

Posted by: Frosted Soothsayer at August 23, 2012 04:08 PM (9Q7Nu)

98 It's just that we know what it was like to be free from the nannyism that's become the norm now.

So why did y'all implement it in the first damn place?

Posted by: 7-year-old HeatherRadish got to sit in the front seat without a five-point harness at August 23, 2012 04:08 PM (/kI1Q)

99 @75 Amen. The reality is that a Romney win doesn't come without a Senate takeover in the range you cite. In Ohio, for instance, I can imagine no serious scenario whereby voters go Romney but also stick with Sherrod Brown.

People need to chill. It'll be some other world-ending calamity manufactured by the media to get us in the circular firing squad next week. And yes, stupid as Akin was, this amount of outrageously outraged outrage is media manufactured and stoked.

And yet RR keep on raising money and playing their game despite it all.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 23, 2012 04:08 PM (dcoFe)

100 Last hour, CNN was trumpeting a poll saying 0% of blacks supported Romney.

Obama's the 'Bait Car' of dependence and poverty and almost the entire black electorate areoverjoyed at finding a nice car with the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition.
Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at August 23, 2012 04:07 PM (8UijS)


Those are called "Stalin" polls. "Comrade who are you voting for or are you going to a gulag"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2012 04:08 PM (05RcU)

101
OT; Did anyone check out Romneys energy policy released today?

Great stuff ;
Empower states to control onshore energy development;Open offshore areas for energy development;Pursue a North American Energy Partnership;Ensure accurate assessment of energy resources;Restore transparency and fairness to permitting and regulation; andFacilitate private-sector-led development of new energy technologies.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 23, 2012 04:08 PM (R/8dI)

102 It's really depressing that those my age are so retarded.

Posted by: bacoNate at August 23, 2012 04:09 PM (VeeiG)

103 Why even 5% think SCOAMF is qualified for anything above running a lemonade stand or his mouth is beyond me. He's proven unable to do any figgin thing even with both houses of Congress.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at August 23, 2012 04:09 PM (UU0OF)

104 Everything I've seen about the new Windows makes it out to be the new Vista, or perhaps, the new Millenial Edition.

Suckers gonna bomb. It's like an OS for people who can't afford a phone, so they want to turn their desktop into one instead.

And the UI is fugly. Technicolored squares?

Posted by: entropy at August 23, 2012 04:09 PM (TULs6)

105 And they wonder why we are BONED.

Why don't you want children to be protected from upholstered furnishings?

/rhetorical

Posted by: 7-year-old HeatherRadish got to sit in the front seat without a five-point harness at August 23, 2012 04:09 PM (/kI1Q)

106 Sponge - Duh, of course Akin is going to lose. I'm carrying only a 10% chance of picking up MO right now.

The point is that MO contributes only 3% to the probability of taking the Senate. With MO at 90% like it was before, the odds were 98%. With MO at 10% the odds are 95%.

The Dems are defending too many seats in red states for MO to make much of a difference.

I can point you to the equations, I've posted them a couple times. Not posting them again.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 04:09 PM (dX4hn)

107 It's really depressing that those my age are so retarded.
Posted by: bacoNate


Cheer up - it won't be long before you are rich. PT Barnum had a saying about that.

Posted by: Roy at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (VndSC)

108 The LOL, of the day. Ugly Janet being sued by 10 Ice agents who say she is forcing them to violate federal law.

http://is.gd/QmPQx8

Posted by: Vic at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (YdQQY)

109 @101. With all due respect, hasn't that been the energy policy of all republican candidates? Its up to Romney to implement the policy (if elected). Let's hope he does.

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (gmeXX)

110 I know you're sick of Akin

Not me. It is all I want. Was at a four hour meeting for work today and all I could think about was Akin........well, that and how dumb some of the people in the room were.....which reminded me again of Akin!

All I want from today until election day here at the HQ is Akin, poll threads with large maps, and pcitures of the Ewok talkin the sexy to Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (OWjjx)

111 I know you're sick of Akin, but this is what steams my craw: The party was executing a brilliant and successful plan to actually win and repeal ObamaCare, and then Todd Akin decided it would be a good idea to let Democrats rule for another generation.

Anyway.


___________________

Actually no one person is responsible for that much.

It dovetails with the phenomena of scapegoating.

The only way that Akin accomplishes all of that-is if you let him.

Posted by: tasker at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (r2PLg)

112 96 "This is from their about page:

The Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation (BHFTI), a
government body under the California Department of Consumer Affairs,
enforces the Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation Act, which protects
consumers of upholstered furniture, bedding, and thermal insulation"

Sounds like something Steyn would have fun with.

Posted by: bacoNate at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (VeeiG)

113 I like beer ...

Posted by: Honey the Badger Tibialis at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (GvYeG)

114 Make sense. Obama and leftists gutted $700b from Medicare. Seniors no likey.

Posted by: Schnack at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (79hDj)

115 >>>Does Ace read his own blog?

The odds of taking the Senate have dropped from 98.6% to 95.1%.


This assumes you think those supposed 'odds' are correct.

I happen to think they're largely pulled out of a hat.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (sKKQe)

116 Those are called "Stalin" polls. "Comrade who are you voting for or are you going to a gulag"?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2012 04:08 PM (05RcU)

I figured something was up when Obama was polling better than Saddam who only got 98% of the vote.

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at August 23, 2012 04:11 PM (8UijS)

117 >>>OT; Did anyone check out Romneys energy policy released today?
Akin did Akin anyone Akin check Akin out Akin Romney's Akin energy Akin policy Akin released Akin today Akin?

FIFY.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at August 23, 2012 04:12 PM (PReJ3)

118 Make sense. Obama and leftists gutted $700b from Medicare. Seniors no likey.
Posted by: Schnack at August 23, 2012 04:10 PM (79hDj)

Not only that but by their age, some of them at least, know that stream of water on their head is not rain.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2012 04:12 PM (05RcU)

119 Old folks vote. Young voters get distracted by small shiny objects and blow it off.

It's a fact.

Posted by: mpfs at August 23, 2012 04:12 PM (iYbLN)

120
I like guns.

Posted by: Honey the Badger Tibialis at August 23, 2012 04:12 PM (GvYeG)

121 IOW Akin is not god.

It's what the Liberals did with Bush.

It's what ......Cedarford does with the deniers of Christ.

It's actually kind of--illogical.

Posted by: tasker at August 23, 2012 04:12 PM (r2PLg)

122
in the meanwhile...

3 girls in camouflage bikinis

http://tinyurl.com/coqv4sc

(link also in name)

Posted by: Frosted Soothsayer at August 23, 2012 04:12 PM (9Q7Nu)

123 Ten federal immigration agents have filed suit against Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano claiming recent directives are forcing them to break the law and ignore their duties when it comes to deporting illegal immigrants.

The suit was filed Thursday in Texas federal court by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials. It challenges recent directives allowing some illegal immigrants -- particularly non-felons and those who came to the U.S. as children -- to stay and, in some cases, get work permits.

The suit, obtained by Fox News, says the agents are being forced to "violate federal law." It says the new directive "unconstitutionally usurps and encroaches upon the legislative powers of Congress." ICE Director John Morton is also named as a defendant.

Posted by: Ingmar Guandique at August 23, 2012 04:12 PM (e8kgV)

124 he seems to just think that Outrage and Principle are what it takes.

Posted by: ace at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (fxHyG)

We clearly disagree on just about every part of this situation and what the proper reaction to it is.

As to "the party", I certainly don't speak for anyone else, but 2012 was always the last vote the GOP was going to get out of me - I can only take so much abuse from a party that I don't trust as far as I can throw them - precisely because this vote was so important, no matter how much they screwed me and America over (since they couldn't even come close to what the America-hating dems want to finish). But after 2012, that's it - no matter how this election goes.

I've expressed my opinion. I'm finished on commenting about it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 23, 2012 04:13 PM (X3lox)

125 @111. Its the same people who just assume that Palin cost us the election. She may have been one factor (I disagree, but don't know for sure), but she alone didn't cause McCain to lose.

If Romney doesn't win, it won't be because of Akin. And if Romney is going to win big (as I predict), no Akin can slow him down.

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 04:13 PM (gmeXX)

126 he seems to just think that Outrage and Principle are what it takes.
Posted by: ace at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (fxHyG)

You're just now noticing this?

Posted by: Adam at August 23, 2012 04:13 PM (/YJYi)

127 in the meanwhile... 3 girls in camouflage bikinis http://tinyurl.com/coqv4sc

The camo isn't hiding anything. Thankfully.

Posted by: Roy at August 23, 2012 04:13 PM (VndSC)

128 3 girls in camouflage bikinis

See? That is proper subject matter for a post.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 04:14 PM (8y9MW)

129 OK, I have an addendum.......All I want is Akin, poll threads with large maps, pictures of the Ewok talkin the sexy to Marco Rubio and more of that stuff Soothseyer is linking.........a lot more of that stuff.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 23, 2012 04:14 PM (OWjjx)

130 Akin-Huckabee 2016!!!!

Posted by: Claire McCrapsickle at August 23, 2012 04:14 PM (60GaT)

131 I've seen the new logo. It's ugly.

I suspect Bill needs to take his company back over.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 04:03 PM (8y9MW)


Let it burn. The OS market has needed open competition for a LONG time.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 23, 2012 04:14 PM (UK9cE)

132 The abortion debate has reached a stalemate.

It's stagnated.

There isn't going to be a sudden stampede of voters moving from one pole of the argument to the other.

The abortion, single issue voters have been priced in for awhile now.

*If* the Democrats want to pin all their hopes on-the coming abortion voter stampede--let them.

It's not going to happen.

Posted by: tasker at August 23, 2012 04:15 PM (r2PLg)

133 The Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation (BHFTI), a

government body under the California Department of Consumer Affairs,

enforces the Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation Act, which protects

consumers of upholstered furniture, bedding, and thermal insulation"


Well someone needs to protect us helpless females from "legitimate rape" by upholstered furniture, bedding and thermal insulation.

I know I sleep better at night knowing they are on the job.

Posted by: mpfs at August 23, 2012 04:15 PM (iYbLN)

134 I'm outraged and principled ... where are the IDF chick pics?

Posted by: Honey the Badger Tibialis at August 23, 2012 04:15 PM (GvYeG)

135
@109 yes I think most of it is....state control, I don't know I thought that is relatively new.

I guess my point is I can't take anymore of this wrist slitting over this idiot in MO. If it wasn't him it would have been someone else.

And probably still will be.
These cocksuckers aren't going to be happy with just his hide.

They will never stop, not even after election day.

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 23, 2012 04:16 PM (R/8dI)

136 The OS market has needed open competition for a LONG time.

If there were a good competitor, that competition would be there. There isn't.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 04:16 PM (8y9MW)

137 Gasparino is telling Cavuto the word from close friends is that Immelt is voting for Romney.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 23, 2012 04:16 PM (lTVJy)

138 @132 Correct. The only people I know who have been fired up about Akin are libs who weren't voting Romney anyway. And circular firing squad types on blogs.

Nobody else knows who the hell he is.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 23, 2012 04:17 PM (dcoFe)

139
75 The MOST likely result right now is that we take 6 seats and end up with 53 in the Senate. Taking only 4 would be a slight disappointment.But by all means, keep with the rending and gnashing.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 04:04 PM (dX4hn)


Ok, So we get 53 Senators. And in that 53, we have to include Lindsey Graham, John McCain, The remaining Maine twin, maybe Scott Brown, Mark Kirk, and Lisa Murkowski. Probably a couple other squishy guys too that will love to demonstrate their principles of bipartisanship by siding with the democrats. So the desire to win as many seats as possible to limit their ability to fuck us over is very strong. To have lost a gimme like Missouri really sucks.

Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2012 04:17 PM (GULKT)

140 @132. I think you raise a good point. But I think the Dems can make it a lot worse for themselves. It wasn't enough that they want to be pro-choice, they also ask us to pay for them, and then they want to interfere with the Catholic Church on the matter. If anything, they are driving people away, not over abortion per se, but in trying force their position on other people.

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 04:17 PM (gmeXX)

141
noods up!

Posted by: Frosted Soothsayer at August 23, 2012 04:17 PM (9Q7Nu)

142 US State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland says that Egyptian government officials who will attend an upcoming Arab summit in Tehran should press Iran to make good on its obligations or bear the consequences.

Nuland stressed she wants to see the new Egyptian government cementing Egypt's relations with its neighbors, especially Israel. (Yitzhak Benhorin, Washington)

??? Do those freaken idiots at State know who just took over Egypt?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 23, 2012 04:17 PM (05RcU)

143 Akin akin akin. akin. Akin. AKIN. akin and eggs.

Posted by: Democratic Convention speakers at August 23, 2012 04:18 PM (60GaT)

144 @101 OT; Did anyone check out Romneys energy policy released today?

What, no algae?

Posted by: wth at August 23, 2012 04:18 PM (wAQA5)

145 Karl Rove on Hannity show now - "Missouri senate race is over unless Todd Akin gets out. He will lose and lose big".

Posted by: Not an Artist at August 23, 2012 04:18 PM (uRumV)

146 This is from their about page:

The Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation (BHFTI), a
government body under the California Department of Consumer Affairs,
enforces the Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation Act, which protects
consumers of upholstered furniture, bedding, and thermal insulation



And they wonder why we are BONED.


But poor quality pillows CAN KILL!!

Posted by: Cicero at August 23, 2012 04:18 PM (QKKT0)

147 "I happen to think they're largely pulled out of a hat."

Talk to CAC about it. The individual race percentages he is giving are pretty conservative.

I really think this is like the old statistics example where if you have a room of 30 people, there is a 97% chance that 2 of those people have the same birthday. It doesn't fit our logical thinking.

When you apply the binomial equations to all the current races, the odds are surprising, and seem unrealistic. But the #math is correct.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 23, 2012 04:18 PM (dX4hn)

148 You've got two illogicals going at the same time--

scapegoat theory coupled with slippery slope.

That's almost a Biden train.

Posted by: tasker at August 23, 2012 04:19 PM (r2PLg)

149 Starting to look like Akin may not be that much of a problem. The problems created by his Medieval Barber-Surgeonbiology lecture may be outweighed by the encouragement his gaffegave tothe Dems to intensify theiruse ofsomething that's not getting much traction, the bogus War on Women theme. Whole big line-up now of grievance hoarders scheduled to talk at the convention about condoms, private parts, andthe sacred bodily function of fetal deadness; none of which is going to get anybody a job.
There is no War on Women, but there is for sure a government economicwar on all of us.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 23, 2012 04:19 PM (w41GQ)

150 Akin akin akin. akin. Akin. AKIN. akin and eggs.

But they're all Akin, you see.
Akin ... is compulsory.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 23, 2012 04:19 PM (4+LTj)

151 GOP has been had by moles. It is depressing that we have not learned from the Sharon "angel from hell" fiasco. I want RR to win but taking control of the Senate is much more important.

Posted by: mrad at August 23, 2012 04:19 PM (myYvz)

152 Either way, the third rail is not electrocuting us; it's powering us. As third rails are supposed to.

Ace, the third rail is for extra flavor. Trust me; I know trains.

Posted by: Joe from Scranton at August 23, 2012 04:19 PM (3SvjA)

153 What is it about former Arkansas Govenors ?

Posted by: seamrog at August 23, 2012 04:19 PM (6w4kE)

154 I've seen the new logo. It's ugly.

I suspect Bill needs to take his company back over.





Ta-da! http://tinyurl.com/d9dn6av

It's all Ballmer.

Posted by: Cicero at August 23, 2012 04:20 PM (QKKT0)

155 I'm listening to Hannity on the radio right now - waiting on him to denounce Fuckabee...............how long should I wait?


Posted by: Not an Artist at August 23, 2012 04:07 PM


As long as you have a good food supply and keep breathing, you'll be okay.

Has anyone ever been dropped from Hannity's pantheon of Great Americans? Don't think so.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 23, 2012 04:20 PM (wZI4b)

156 A caveat is that the Ryan plans handles younger people differently then seniors. So when they learn about the plan, they may reach a different conclusion....

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 23, 2012 04:20 PM (SO2Q8)

157 So why did y'all implement it in the first damn place?
Posted by: 7-year-old HeatherRadish got to sit in the front seat without a five-point harness at August 23, 2012 04:08 PM (/kI1Q)


--------------------------------------------


Because the boomer generation was once young and stupid too. It was in the 80's that I realized that the voting age should be increased to 25, or even 30.

I really like the idea of the original voting requirement of having to own property before one can vote. (Or just a job and paying taxes would help)

Posted by: Soona at August 23, 2012 04:20 PM (9jQZ7)

158 What is it about former Arkansas Govenors ?

They represent their constituents?

(Yeah, I know. Cheap Arkansas shot.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 23, 2012 04:21 PM (4+LTj)

159
if the above is true, gee, I wonder where Gawker attained those documents...

Posted by: Frosted Soothsayer at August 23, 2012 04:00 PM (9Q7Nu)




*whistles absently*

Posted by: Douglas Schulman, IRS Commissioner at August 23, 2012 04:21 PM (TIIx5)

160
If there were a good competitor, that competition would be there. There isn't.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at August 23, 2012 04:16 PM (8y9MW)


Because anyone that came up, Microsoft either bought em and wrapped em in MS Plastic, bought em and buried em or just used resources to put them out of business.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 23, 2012 04:22 PM (UK9cE)

161 @139. It does. It sucks to have a Democratic senator from a solidly red state. But what about North Dakota. What about Alaska (who has an independent). We have dealt with it in the past. The good news is that the number of tea party conservatives should be increasing with Cruz and Mourdock etc. They are still a small minority, but they are no longer 5-6, but should be 10-12.

That makes a big difference.

Posted by: SH at August 23, 2012 04:22 PM (gmeXX)

162
Jay Carney is an absolute asswipe.....Obama is doing nothing to negotiate w/ congress on this spending/tax issue.

Blame, blame, blame is all they have.

And people think this Akinshitstain is going to turn the election towards Obama?

Please, have a little testicular fortitude

Posted by: Finn McCool at August 23, 2012 04:22 PM (R/8dI)

163 I want RR to win but taking control of the Senate is much more important.


Posted by: mrad at August 23, 2012 04:19 PM


Make that equally important.

If we have the Senate and House and lose the White House, it'll be four years of the Choomer-in-Chief issuing "executive orders" and "findings" that the eunuchs in Congress won't have the spine or patriotism to oppose.

And the treasonous fuckweasel will have the authority to issue pardons, too.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 23, 2012 04:23 PM (wZI4b)

164
Either way, the third rail is not electrocuting us; it's powering us. As third rails are supposed to.


Well, technically the third rail powers the train (which I suppose could be "the election"), but kills the nimrod human that touches it (generally "the candidates"). That's the way I've always interpreted it at least.

Romney/Ryan are taking the longview, which means they're riding the train to its natural conclusion ("Medicare will not last if we keep going like we have been. We need to do something now or it'll crash.")

Obama and his cronies are taking the short view, which means they keep jumping off the train to blow raspberries at the passengers, and eventually they're going to fall off the platform and pull a GANTZ, but without the black alien ball and the reincarnation.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at August 23, 2012 04:23 PM (4df7R)

165 Has anyone ever been dropped from Hannity's pantheon of Great Americans? Don't think so.


Posted by: MrScribbler at August 23, 2012 04:20 PM (wZI4b)

----------------------------
No, never. Hannity can't denounce Fuckabee because he's a colleague on Fox. Just goes to show that you can't always trust any pundit due to their monetary ties to the media - Rush being the only exception to this rule.

Posted by: Not an Artist at August 23, 2012 04:23 PM (uRumV)

166 Romney talking about repealing Dodd-Frank and breaking up the TBTF banks.

That could definitely be a winning issue if sold the right way.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 23, 2012 04:24 PM (dcoFe)

167 Most people under 50 don't know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. Over 50, they can be savants about the details.

Posted by: Jean at August 23, 2012 04:24 PM (WkuV6)

168 Finding out their really are mattress police, reminds me of what it felt like when they told me the easter bunny wasn't real.

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 23, 2012 04:25 PM (nTgAI)

169 I'd like to see all Aikin threads consolidated into one. That way the caterwauling eyeores can flagellate themselves 'till the cows come home. Because it's been like Groundhog Day around here since Sunday night.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 23, 2012 04:26 PM (YmPwQ)

170 My name is Akin, no I ain't fakin', I like my eggs with legitimate bacon

Posted by: Akinator at August 23, 2012 04:28 PM (60GaT)

171 Primordial,

Although I acknowledge "the party's" failures you mention, I see things a bit differently.

I'm middle aged. For most if not all of my life, to be "conservative" meant mostly that you were a social conservative. We witnessed the Silent Majority, the Moral Majority, and "compassionate conservatism." While there were some serious fiscal and constitutional players in the Republican party, they were few, far between, and often ostracized by others in the party. The closest most conservatives came to fiscal conservatism was calling for lower taxes. They often cared not a whit about spending, the debt, or whether the federal government was exceeding the scope of its constitutional authority.

This worked ok for a while. It was a winning strategy, especially in light of some back-lash of the moral-less '60s and '70s.

But as our economic problems have recently become more and more dire, I think a lot of people who call themselves "conservative" have begun to believe that many of the conservative moral causes which formerly defined conservatism (gay marriage, abortion, school prayer, etc.) are issues that cannot, and frankly should not be dealt with on a national level. Many realized that out-of-control spending, the size and scope of the federal government, entitlement programs, the debt, the economy - these were things that could be addressed at the federal level, and if not addressed immediately would literally destroy this country.

It also became apparent that many social conservatives were chasing windmills and worse, playing easily into the type of caricature that was used to discredit and hurt other branches of conservatism. I, frankly, am embarrassed by what I would call "Pat Robertson conservatism." And it started hurting us. It became a huge distraction from the fiscal conservatism goals.

So, I think that's what explains the immediate and almost unanimous reaction by "the party" to Aiken's blunder, and why it's so frustrating. Many of us thought that we'd finally narrowed the focus of conservatism to address issues that could be addressed, without all of the other distractions and arguments. Aiken fucked that up.

Posted by: angler at August 23, 2012 04:28 PM (SwjAj)

172 And now, Todd Akin in a bikini dancing the macdaddy...

Posted by: nickless at August 23, 2012 04:29 PM (MMC8r)

173 No, never. Hannity can't denounce Fuckabee because he's a colleague on Fox. Just goes to show that you can't always trust any pundit due to their monetary ties to the media - Rush being the only exception to this rule.
Posted by: Not an Artist at August 23, 2012 04:23 PM (uRumV)


--------------------------------------------


And Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Soona at August 23, 2012 04:29 PM (9jQZ7)

174 Stop talking about Akin. The seat is gone even if the idiot gets out now. Lets' hope we can win other races to get to 51 or 52. Let the idiot do whatever bcuz it is obvious he will stay in til the bitter end.

Posted by: mrad at August 23, 2012 04:30 PM (myYvz)

175 The "Party", at least in the House, did all that it could to stop Obamacare. Not a single Rep voted for it.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 23, 2012 04:30 PM (YmPwQ)

176 "(gay marriage, abortion, school prayer, etc.) are issues that cannot, and frankly should not be dealt with on a national level."

this is wrong though.

gay marriage = unworkable whichever way it goes if we're only talking individual states. couple gets married, moves to another state, splits up, what do you do. regardless of whether you agree with Santorum he was right about federalism does not work for this issue.

abortion = a reasonable compromise would likely involve a more restrictive abortion regime that limits but doesn't flatly ban it, and would allow states flexibility. however that is impossible as long as "Roe v. Wade" stands.

Posted by: JParker at August 23, 2012 04:38 PM (60GaT)

177 and while people like to say "Roe" is never going to be overturned -- it almost was in the early '90s. sure, 20 years ago, but that itself was 20 years after the decision. and the Supreme Court can swing a lot in an election.

Posted by: JParker at August 23, 2012 04:39 PM (60GaT)

178 177 and while people like to say "Roe" is never going to be overturned -- it almost was in the early '90s. sure, 20 years ago, but that itself was 20 years after the decision. and the Supreme Court can swing a lot in an election.
Posted by: JParker at August 23, 2012 04:39 PM (60GaT)

There is this thing called the United States Senate.

The confirm justices.

We don't win the Senate, we don't get Pro-Life justices, even if Romney is elected.

Posted by: joe at August 23, 2012 04:44 PM (i3OIF)

179 Lurk off. The more we hump the Akin story the easier it's stands up. We are one of the legs keeping this alive. STFU. Lurk on

Posted by: NativeNH at August 23, 2012 04:45 PM (ZCZX1)

180 JParker,

I understand what you're saying. My point is that we've waged these social battles for decades. On balance, what we've mostly achieved is a stalemate.

I strongly suspect that if you questioned most "conservative" politicians over the last several decades, all of them would be able to display and extremely broad and deep understanding of social issues. That's what they really, really care about. I also think that most of them would be nearly economically illiterate.

I respect the views of most social conservatives. Hell, I share a lot of those views, personally. I had a friend who always told me that if Republicans would stop for a moment with all of the abortion, gay marriage, religious stuff, they might have a chance to be a long-term majority party. I resisted that notion. But I've come to believe he was right all along, and is certainly right today.

Posted by: angler at August 23, 2012 04:48 PM (SwjAj)

181 Yum! Steamed Craw! I like mine with drawn butter.

Posted by: Milesdei at August 23, 2012 04:56 PM (NnGzp)

182 D+6 poll in FL
D+8 poll in OH
D+4 poll in WI.

Should now start seeing R even/D+1 in WI, FL; D+3 in Ohio.

At least that seems more realistic.

So actually Romney's enjoying a lead in all three, Ace.

Also telling from WI poll yesterday- 55% want medicare to stay the same, but the same amount recognize major changes are necessary- 55%. There used to be a wild gap between "I WANT MY CAKE" and realizing theres almost no cake left, when the latter becomes the bigger number, we've won. It will happen.

Posted by: CAC at August 23, 2012 05:09 PM (xycme)

183 I just dipped my balls in the state of Florida.

Not in pudding while in the state of Florida. Just in the state of Florida.

Pretty nice. Little bit sandy, and salty. But nice.

Posted by: Dang at August 23, 2012 05:09 PM (Ky1+e)

184 i know that about the Senate. i wasn't defending Akin.

there may be a political benefit in adopting certain stances (though i personally think it's overstated, many people dislike the GOP for typical "evil rich businessmen" cliched reasons) but i'm not necessarily always concerned about that. i am not interested in a GOP that "drops" the abortion issue and takes "Roe" as a reasonable status quo.

Posted by: JParker at August 23, 2012 05:15 PM (60GaT)

185 which is different from turning an election into a culture war mind. you can have a position that is important to voters but isn't front-and-center in the campaign, like Romney did with the abortion issue before Akin happened.

Posted by: JParker at August 23, 2012 05:16 PM (60GaT)

186 also not sure what you're getting at about conservative politicians only being fluent in social issues, which seems off the mark

Posted by: JParker at August 23, 2012 05:18 PM (60GaT)

187 The strategy wrt Medicare was BRILLIANT, but, Ace, the campaign could've used the SAME strategy wrt Akin but they BLEW it! The minute the words were out of Akin's mouth and the media started running around with their hair on fire about abortion, Team Romney SHOULD have said just what they did with Medicare: "you want to have this conversation? Fine. What about Obama's support of leaving little babies who've survived abortion to die in closets? What about Obama's support of partial-birth abortion? You think WE'RE extreme? Obama supports forms of abortion and INFANTICIDE that the majority of Americans find APALLING." But, no. Mitt instead decided to let the Left know that he is absolutely TERRIFIED of the topic of abortion -- so guess what topic will be numero uno? ABORTION. This is MITT'S fault for the fall-out. Further, Mitt has angered pro-lifers who were otherwise on his side. I'm so steaming mad at him and especially at Ryan who himself is more pro-life but has abandoned it and his Catholic faith just to be BFFs with Mitt. I'm sickened by them both. They should turned this back on the Left like they did with Medicare and instead than RAN AWAY. COWARDS.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 23, 2012 05:32 PM (KL49F)

188 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2012 06:09 PM (6o4Fb)

189 Aslan's Girl said: Team Romney SHOULD have said just what they did with Medicare: "you want
to have this conversation? Fine. What about Obama's support of leaving
little babies who've survived abortion to die in closets?


Incorrect.

You fundamentally misunderstand the strategy.

Medicare was something that was destined to be used against us in a high intensity way due to Ryan and preempting it as was done in NV-02 was the correct strategy.

Time is a scarce resource and we needed to invest up-front on Medicare; not to win on the issue; but to get out front and fight to a draw and then pivot back to the economy -- a battleground we win on. Medicare was also close enough to a debt issue to weave it all together.


Akin and abortion as an issue in 2012 is an aberration that needs to be aborted. Period. It's a strait social issue that sucks balls. There was no reason to run on it, there was no need for it what-so-ever. Furthermore, there is no win on the issue -- it's a loss as an issue and a loss as it eats away precious media cycles and time during a period when they are super important, right before the conventions.

Akin is a narcissistic fuck.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at August 23, 2012 06:18 PM (Wa+Fw)

190 Ace, do you realize what you are implying about Mitt with these posts? You are implying that Mitt is so weak that one gaffe by one candidate in one state will kill all his chances. My goodness, but if Mitt can't surive ONE silly media storm, why should anyone vote for him? If he can't survive this, why should I think he can survive Putin?

You are also implying that Obama really isn't tha awful. If voters are going to abandon Mitt over this and vote for O, then O isn't so bad, is he? I'm of the opinion that O IS so horrible that ppl will vote for Mitt whether another GOP makes a gaffe or not.

Also, Ace, no matter how hard we try, we cannot make an election cycle perfect. You are implying that the only way Mitt can win is if everything goes perfectly. What a weak candidate, indeed. I thought you wanted Mitt to win? Implying he's THIS weak isn't helping him you know.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 23, 2012 06:26 PM (KL49F)

191
56"Does Ace read his own blog?"

It was kind of rhetorical.

Ace can read? Will wonders never cease. Allah be praised!

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at August 23, 2012 07:10 PM (f+TdG)

192 "I know you're sick of Akin, but this is what steams my craw: The party was executing a brilliant and successful plan to actually win and repeal ObamaCare, and then Todd Akin decided it would be a good idea to let Democrats rule for another generation."

You honestly thought that the media was going to let the Republicans "execut[e] a brilliant and successful plan to actually win and repeal ObamaCare?" ...

"Todd Akin decided it would be a good idea to let Democrats rule for another generation."

Actually, he was minding his own fucking business before the asshats in the Press decided to make him a national superstar. Because they're unbiased and unpolitical like that.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 23, 2012 07:27 PM (5e6JG)

193 And telling young people that old people like Romney/Ryan isn't exactly helpful.

Listen up you fucking Pokemonsuckers: Old people love Democrats because they want the Democrats to steal FROM YOU and give "free" crap TO THEM. Stop doing what old people want you to do. Stop voting Democrat. They are the party of greedy old people. They are literally stealing your future from you. Don't be retarded about this.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at August 23, 2012 07:36 PM (5e6JG)






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